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From the New York Times:

Evan McMullin, Anti-Trump Republican, Mounts Independent Presidential Bid
By MAGGIE HABERMAN AUG. 8, 2016

Evan McMullin, a former C.I.A. official and a Republican who passionately opposes Donald J. Trump, announced Monday that he would run for president as an independent candidate.

Mr. McMullin, who until recently worked on policy development with the House Republican Conference, has missed the ballot-access deadlines in more than two dozen states. But Mr. McMullin, a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, studied in Utah and could take votes from Mr. Trump in the heavily Mormon state. ….

The idea is to keep Trump from winning 270 Electoral Votes by winning a heavily Mormon state.

Mr. McMullin is said to be backed by the group Better for America, which earlier this year began an effort to get on the ballot in as many states as possible, with the hopes of drafting a candidate. The group is backed by John Kingston, a donor who had supported Mitt Romney. Mr. Kingston has worked with the pollster Joel Searby. Rick Wilson, a Republican consultant and Trump foe, is the main strategist on the effort.

From McMullin’s Linked-In page:

Evan McMullin

… Chief Policy Director.

U.S. House of Representatives | Republican Conference

January 2015 – Present (1 year 8 months) …

Senior Advisor
U.S. House of Representatives | Committee on Foreign Affairs
2013 – 2015 (2 years) …

Investment Banking Associate
Goldman Sachs
2010 – 2013 (3 years) …

Operations Officer
Central Intelligence Agency | National Clandestine Service
1999 – 2010 (11 years) Various International Locations …

Volunteer Refugee Resettlement Officer
United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees
2001 – 2001 (less than a year) Amman, Jordan
Vetted and processed UN-recognized refugees from the Middle East and Africa for resettlement to third countries.

Did he work for the CIA and the UN High Commissioner for Refugees simultaneously?

Deckhand
The Cavalier (a commercial fishing vessel)
1997 – 1997 (less than a year) Washington State & Alaska
I mostly just did my best not to fall in as we sailed the Alaskan seas.

Organizations

Brigham Young University | Kennedy Center for International Studies
International Advisory Board Member
Starting 2013

Council on Foreign Relations
Term Member
Starting 2011

So this guy has been pretty much a full-time Invade the World / Invite the World operative.

 
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  1. I can smell the fear…

    • Replies: @CAL
    @Pagoda

    Yep, if they were sure Trump is going to lose, and the MSM and establishment left and right has been announcing that from day one, they would just sit back and watch Hillary slaughter him. The fact that they aren't is telling. The NYT just announced that Trump is so beyond the pale they will not provide fair reporting. The establishment is pulling out all of the stop.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Boethiuss, @ben tillman

  2. Goldman Sachs associate? That’s like one level above junior analyst. And this was three years ago???

  3. But what does Billy Kristol think? Did he vet McMullin, too?

  4. He has exactly the same policies as Hillary and he is running against Trump, why don’t these neocons just make it official and become Democrats ?

    • Replies: @Kyle
    @neutral

    The neocons don't like lgbtq, the dems support lgbtq... or some gay thing like that, I don't know.

    Replies: @Divine Right, @Bill

    , @Jefferson
    @neutral

    "He has exactly the same policies as Hillary and he is running against Trump, why don’t these neocons just make it official and become Democrats?"

    They haven't officially joined The Democratic Party yet because they don't like their tax policies.

    A sizable percentage of the GOP establishment literally are Liberals who don't like to pay taxes.

    , @Parsifal
    @neutral

    The scam needs to be kept going. If all establishment types join one party an actual alternative might come up.

    , @SteveRogers42
    @neutral

    I'm betting that we're going through a Whig moment. The Clinton/Bush globalists of every stripe will coalesce into a Globalist/Elitist party, Trump and his followers will essentially create a Nationalist/Populist party, and the SJW's will form another major party dedicated to their interests.

    The Globalists will have the most money, and control over the MSM. The other two parties will have the numbers and the voter enthusiasm. NAM support will be in play.

    Interesting times will continue.

    Replies: @European in America, @Dave Pinsen

  5. CIA, CFR, Goldman Sachs.

    Have you know sense of decency, Sir?

    • LOL: fnn
    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    @Anonymous

    Candidate Egghead McMuffin checks all the boxes. You know, for a Bond style super villain, Bill Kristol consistently underwhelms.

    It's almost as if they aren't even trying.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VGuYN8NOSI

  6. The Mormons had their chance with Romney twice and lost. They ought to just get out of the way like the Evangelicals appear to be doing and support Trump. They should be warned because if we get a President Clinton, they will be the donkey that the tail is pinned on.

    • Replies: @CAL
    @Prof. Woland

    The GOPe started losing Evangelicals once they fully funded Planned Parenthood again after the baby part selling videos. Unlike the Dem minority constituencies, parts of the GOP coalition actually expect some results.

    , @Lagertha
    @Prof. Woland

    exactly. Utah has already been getting, and will continue to receive massive amounts of M.E. refugees. It will be interesting to see when Mormons feel a critical mass has appeared with Muslims in their "ancient" lands.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    , @iSteveFan
    @Prof. Woland

    Didn't the Mormons get a lot of blowback for supporting the gay marriage ban in California? If the Mormons tip the election to Cankles, that will seem like a picnic compared to what half the nation has in store for them. They already have a tenuous relationship with Evangelicals as it is. If they tip it for Hillary, you might not be able to keep Mormons and Evangelicals in the same party.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Boethiuss

    , @Broski
    @Prof. Woland

    Mormons, at least among the elites, are largely immigration traitors. Much like the Catholics, the Mormon church foresees most of its future among nonwhites.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    , @PistolPete
    @Prof. Woland

    As someone who has worked with Mormons, and now see their cucked politics, I truly hate them
    I really do.

  7. “Mr. McMullin is said to be backed by the group Better for America,”

    which is backed by the Hillary campaign.

    End of story.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Almost Missouri

    Which is backed by the Hillary campaign.

    What's your evidence for that?

  8. @Pagoda
    I can smell the fear...

    Replies: @CAL

    Yep, if they were sure Trump is going to lose, and the MSM and establishment left and right has been announcing that from day one, they would just sit back and watch Hillary slaughter him. The fact that they aren’t is telling. The NYT just announced that Trump is so beyond the pale they will not provide fair reporting. The establishment is pulling out all of the stop.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @CAL

    The NYT just announced that Trump is so beyond the pale they will not provide fair reporting.

    Citation?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    , @Boethiuss
    @CAL

    "Yep, if they were sure Trump is going to lose, and the MSM and establishment left and right has been announcing that from day one, they would just sit back and watch Hillary slaughter him. The fact that they aren’t is telling. The NYT just announced that Trump is so beyond the pale they will not provide fair reporting. The establishment is pulling out all of the stop."

    Yeah but then they'd be supporting Hillary, which isn't what they want.

    Look, there's this idea from a lot of Trump supporters regarding his temperament, character and so on. They want to think of it like taking a bag of potato chips to a slightly dense checkout clerk at the 7-11.

    "So the GOP loses 3 or 4 points relative to Hillary because our nominee is Donald Trump. Fine let's just pay it and move on.

    With the Demographics of America, the popularity of Trump's position on immigration, and his ability to attract discouraged voters and bring them to the polls, we've got a decent shot anyway. So let's just take our chances."

    It's important to emphasize that's exactly what's _not_ going to happen. It's not something where you can hand Hillary a couple of cheap points and move on. It actually changes the underlying reality of the race, in terms of who represents "us" and who are "them". Too many Trump fans think the whole thing are just fabricated controversies for the sake of partisan advantage. They're not, and we're about to learn that to our detriment.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon, @jeremiahjohnbalaya, @Anonymous Nephew, @Jack D

    , @ben tillman
    @CAL


    The establishment is pulling out all of the stop.
     
    Just remember last time the media failed to control access to the ballot: they shot one and removed the other from office.

    Replies: @SPMoore8

  9. Did he work for the CIA and the UN High Commissioner for Refugees simultaneously?

    Presumably the CIA has operatives involved in this sort of thing to keep tabs on certain people, as well as perhaps to process and move certain people around under the cover of “refugee”.

  10. @Prof. Woland
    The Mormons had their chance with Romney twice and lost. They ought to just get out of the way like the Evangelicals appear to be doing and support Trump. They should be warned because if we get a President Clinton, they will be the donkey that the tail is pinned on.

    Replies: @CAL, @Lagertha, @iSteveFan, @Broski, @PistolPete

    The GOPe started losing Evangelicals once they fully funded Planned Parenthood again after the baby part selling videos. Unlike the Dem minority constituencies, parts of the GOP coalition actually expect some results.

  11. the moron vote isn’t worth the effort glenn beck.

  12. • Replies: @Barnard
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Paul LePage won reelection in 2014 making the same kind of comments. As long as he sticks to facts, it is one of the best moves Trump could make.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    , @Lagertha
    @JohnnyWalker123

    that's been true for decades here, in N.E.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    , @Broski
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Trump says that Somalian immigrants are bringing crime into Maine.

     

    LOL! Isn't that great? It's great. It's a really awesome thing that there's a national candidate willing to say what is true.
    , @Forbes
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Unhelpful comments = euphemism for inconvenient facts.

  13. By the way, even if he siphons a small percentage of the vote off in Utah, he could throw the state to Hillary. That’d create difficulty in Trump’s journey to an electoral-college majority.

    • Replies: @Divine Right
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Trump will likely still win Utah anyway, assuming he doesn't sabotage himself, and do better elsewhere as a result of being a foil to this guy's elitist image (#neverTrump types were already voting for Johnson or Hillary, so he won't peel off any more from Trump and may even cause some Johnson supporters to jump ship to Trump). Another good thing about this guy is that his motives are transparent: he's trying to throw the race to Hillary on behalf of the GOP neocon establishment.

    Regardless of how it turns out, interventionists will suffer in the long run as a result. Assuming Hillary wins and wins re-election, that will be the last gasp of militarist interventionism from the Democrats; the next Democratic nominee will likely be a minority that espouses similar positions to Bernie Sanders and Republicans will not embrace those traitors again, at least not as enthusiastically as during the Bush regime. All may seem dark now, but there are signs of change in the air.

    Replies: @ATBOTL

    , @Mark F.
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Also, Gary Johnson is poised to do well in Utah. But Trump is already in serious trouble, in case you haven't been following the polls.

  14. @JohnnyWalker123
    Trump says that Somalian immigrants are bringing crime into Maine.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/290633-gop-senator-rips-trumps-unhelpful-comments-about-somalis

    Replies: @Barnard, @Lagertha, @Broski, @Forbes

    Paul LePage won reelection in 2014 making the same kind of comments. As long as he sticks to facts, it is one of the best moves Trump could make.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Barnard

    LePage won reelection because, unlike what's happened in New Hampshire, the folks Up the County still outnumber the wealthy Massholes who've bought up the Maine coast south of Freeport.

    Portland has jumped the shark. It's still the best eating and drinking town in New England, but it has been discovered by the Mort & Mindy crowd. It now has a steakhouse with a $64 entree.

    Replies: @ben tillman

  15. They should be warned because if we get a President Clinton, they will be the donkey that the tail is pinned on.

    Nope, my perception is that the Latter Day Saints are going Globalist Left, similar to mainstream Protestants and to the Roman so-called Catholic Church. They don’t think they have much to fear from the Wicked Witch.

    Actually, most L. D. Saints ( LDS — not same as LSD ) don’t think for themselves. They follow Leader orders from Salt Lake City HQ.

  16. Let’s try to get Bernie sanders name on the ballot in 38 states. That would destroy hillary no matter who the real Bernie sanders endorses. We’re reaching third world despotism style of election corruption.

  17. Makes Trump’s haircut look really good by comparison.. Is he from the future? The CIA, Goldman and CFR -what a trifecta of complete bullshit.Think the Alaska/deckhand thing is a naked attempt for the “Deadliest Catch”demo because some Captain Keith type called him an asshole for 2 weeks.

    The Man from the Day The Earth Stood Still via BYU cannot get on the ballot in most states.But the Utah thing is scary. The GOPe will stop at nothing to derail Trump.

  18. Another reason why the LDS is trending Left: they’d like to legalize polygamy, same as the Muslims.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @David Davenport

    There are fringe Mormon spinoff sects that still practice polygamy, but the mainstream Church renounced it long ago and is not interested in bringing it back. At first the renunciation was due to external pressure and in their heart of hearts they still wanted it, but by now that is all burned out. Mormons have achieved a certain level of mainstream respectability and polygamy would destroy that. People will put up with Mitt Romney wearing funny underwear but the thought of two (or more) First Ladies would be disqualifying.

  19. >Obscure Deep Stater Tapped to Stump Trump Candidacy<

    NSA data collection turns attention to Utah Data Center

    http://fox13now.com/2013/06/06/nsa-data-collection-turns-attention-to-utah-data-center/

  20. He lost me on, “a member of Jesus Christ Latter Day…blah, blah, blah. ” Seriously, we had a chance to vote for a millionaire Mormon 4 years ago, but, yeah…not…gonna happen for just an average Mormon no matter how smart he is. Religion thing is THE THING; or, that’s what all these jihadies are trying to tell us. Bet he doesn’t know that Iranians are Shiites! Hah!

  21. I’m guessing the establishment feels this is just payback Ross Perot in ’92. Half of these guys like Ryan wouldn’t be supporting Trump if their refusal to do so would not cause a revolt in their own party.

    • Replies: @Stephen R. Diamond
    @Polynikes

    As I'm sure you know, not only is Ryan supporting Trump, but as well the reverse. In a cuck versus nationalist race!

  22. Two hours ago, he tweeted:

    I don’t think Donald Trump is good for this country, nor is Hillary Clinton.

    So Donald Trump is Enemy #1?

    As I’ve said before, the blood shed through Hillary’s malfeasance and incompetence will be on the hands of the traitors and backstabbers in the GOP.

    Are the rank-and-file Never-Trumpers so delusional that they honestly can’t see that all they’re doing is helping Hillary? How dumb can they be?

    • Replies: @CK
    @Stan Adams

    If maintaining one's standard of existence requires on to be dumb; expect dumbness.
    A "mistake" that puts wealth in one's pocket is a "mistake" that will be repeated.

  23. @JohnnyWalker123
    Trump says that Somalian immigrants are bringing crime into Maine.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/290633-gop-senator-rips-trumps-unhelpful-comments-about-somalis

    Replies: @Barnard, @Lagertha, @Broski, @Forbes

    that’s been true for decades here, in N.E.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Lagertha

    Uh, N.E. native here, and before 2000, you'd be hard-pressed to find a Somali here.

    Funny thing, the sheet-wearing Somalis were visible around Greater Portland the past few years, but when I was up there 2 weeks ago we didn't see a one.

  24. @Prof. Woland
    The Mormons had their chance with Romney twice and lost. They ought to just get out of the way like the Evangelicals appear to be doing and support Trump. They should be warned because if we get a President Clinton, they will be the donkey that the tail is pinned on.

    Replies: @CAL, @Lagertha, @iSteveFan, @Broski, @PistolPete

    exactly. Utah has already been getting, and will continue to receive massive amounts of M.E. refugees. It will be interesting to see when Mormons feel a critical mass has appeared with Muslims in their “ancient” lands.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Lagertha

    "exactly. Utah has already been getting, and will continue to receive massive amounts of M.E. refugees. It will be interesting to see when Mormons feel a critical mass has appeared with Muslims in their “ancient” lands"

    I hope Mormons do lose their majority religious status in Utah. Mormonism was started by a scam artist named Joseph Smith. Not surprising that followers of a religion started by a crooked scam artist would prefer to see Crooked Hillary in The White House over Donald Trump.

    Mormonism is not a branch of Christianity. It's a complete seperate religion from Christianity just like Islam, Judaism, Sikhism, Scientology, Santeria, Voodoo, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Anonymous, @FX Enderby, @Black Dog the Pirate, @Avenge Harambe, @Jack D, @Crawfurdmuir

  25. He’s got a resume that would make Obama jealous…

  26. A Mormon Deep Stater appears – right out of Houellebecq.

    Those who’ve said this election is not about “the economy,” not about “race,” not about “job creation,” but is about Nationalism vs. Globalism are dead-to-nuts right.

    The (I almost wrote “our”) smug traitorous ruling elite have sold us out, over and over and over, again and again and again, and this election is Americans’ last shot at taking back our country.

    Anyone who says this election is a precursor to a better version of Mr. Trump coming forth in 2020 is deluding himself and deluding others, because in four years’ time the on-purpose demographic replacement will have been a fait accompli forced on us, if, in fact, it hasn’t already actually come to pass.

    And that Howard Beale character thought he was fed up. Ah, FONGOOL!

    • Agree: Clyde
    • Replies: @Barnard
    @Auntie Analogue

    You might consider McMullin a member of the deep state JV team.

    , @SteveRogers42
    @Auntie Analogue

    You are absolutely right. Plus, by the next general, the Establishment will have figured out how to use social media. Right now, lots o' bloggers and twitterers are running rings around the old-style media, and Trump himself is so far inside their OODA loop that it's funny to watch. This state of affairs will not continue.

    Who knows, the globalists might even trot out a puppet or two who are physically attractive, and have apparently-pleasant, normal personalities and well-modulated voices. That would truly be a game-changer.

    Replies: @Prof. Woland, @Lurker

  27. I wish guys like this and David French would leave me out of their missionary zeal. I mean, I’m sure if every dark-skinned kud in t he world were adopted by David French, the world would be a better place, but it ain’t gonna happen

  28. @Auntie Analogue
    A Mormon Deep Stater appears - right out of Houellebecq.

    Those who've said this election is not about "the economy," not about "race," not about "job creation," but is about Nationalism vs. Globalism are dead-to-nuts right.

    The (I almost wrote "our") smug traitorous ruling elite have sold us out, over and over and over, again and again and again, and this election is Americans' last shot at taking back our country.

    Anyone who says this election is a precursor to a better version of Mr. Trump coming forth in 2020 is deluding himself and deluding others, because in four years' time the on-purpose demographic replacement will have been a fait accompli forced on us, if, in fact, it hasn't already actually come to pass.

    And that Howard Beale character thought he was fed up. Ah, FONGOOL!

    Replies: @Barnard, @SteveRogers42

    You might consider McMullin a member of the deep state JV team.

  29. Maybe a Trump-supporting Super PAC can help Jill Stein with GOTV efforts in a few tossup states.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Dave Pinsen

    That is one scary-looking neck.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    , @Anonymous
    @Dave Pinsen

    I'm with Trump 1000%. But if he dropped out, I'd vote for Stein. I could trust her not to start wars and not to promote the interests of Goldman Sachs. Plus, she's a woman of real accomplishment and intelligence, unlike HRC. Harvard/Harvard Med, medical doctor for decades. And she looks damn healthy and good for her age (66). I'm glad she's not going to be in the Presidential debates, she'd be the only one who could take on Trump and make him look bad.

    Replies: @Difference maker

    , @ic1000
    @Dave Pinsen

    CSPAN aired a Jill Stein (Green Party) stump speech yesterday. Smart, well-spoken lady. About 10% of the content was hard core environmentalism. The remainder of her platform was advocacy of Cultural Marxism and Bolshevist-style economics.

    It did call to mind that "watermelon" jibe -- Green on the outside, Red on the inside. Nothing hidden, though.

    Replies: @Jack D, @ogunsiron

  30. OT: Is anyone else amazed at the openly Russophobic coverage of the ROI Olympics? Juxtaposed with the fawning adoration of refugees?

    • Replies: @Divine Right
    @Anonymous

    "OT: Is anyone else amazed at the openly Russophobic coverage of the ROI Olympics?"

    Not at all. NBC and company did the same thing at Sochi. These SJWs are always looking for a way to virtue signal their moral superiority to us lowly proles. What safer way to do that than by attacking a predominantly white country? I mean, it's not like they were complaining as loudly about the Chinese dictatorship during Beijing, but then again they aren't white.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    , @Bill Jones
    @Anonymous

    I was quite taken aback by the pride with which the NBC Spokes-hairs noted that the US is the only country which is universally booed and jeered at theses events everywhere in the world.

    , @guest
    @Anonymous

    No. If anything, I was expecting it to be worse. But we're inbetween World War T and whatever comes next, so there's a lack of crusading zeal in the MSM. The Ukrainian crisis is old news, and repeated attempts to stick Putin in the middle of Electoral Controversy have fizzled.

    But make no mistake, Russia is the eternal enemy of the moment, and it will be humiliated at every opportunity.

  31. If they really want to take him out so bad, why don’t they do it the old fashioned way and turn him into Swiss cheese?

  32. @Dave Pinsen
    Maybe a Trump-supporting Super PAC can help Jill Stein with GOTV efforts in a few tossup states.
    https://twitter.com/politico/status/762392910721589248

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Anonymous, @ic1000

    That is one scary-looking neck.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Stan Adams

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPzccxbvbic

  33. Just how did Mormons come to be so intimately associated with the “deep state”?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @King George III

    Mormons didn't have a lot of relatives behind the Iron Curtain.

    Replies: @utu

    , @Jack Hanson
    @King George III

    Mormons are often bilingual, publicly live 'clean' lives, and are very clannish. It makes it easy for them to stuff national security agencies with their ilk.

    Something like a third of the FBI is Mormon, for example.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @King George III

    Mormons are mostly descended from New England Puritans and share a lot of the same deep cultural values - missionary work, utopian idealism that one can build a "shining city on a hill" here on earth, an underlying sense of moral superiority, a high value on education combined with the idea that moral failings are often due to lack of education/training, not innate, etc. This value system is a natural fit with invite the world - (so we can mold more people in our image) - invade the world ( so we can spread our message of the right way to live to the ignorant). Mormons and Puritan Yankees also have a lot of respect for traditional authority and hierarchy, which makes government work an easy fit.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @BB753, @Jack D

    , @MarkinPNW
    @King George III

    And yet the actual Book of Mormon has very stern warnings against the Deep State scattered throughout, and especially in Ether 8. It also describes the downfall of civilizations as being caused - at least sometimes - by aggressive invasions to "fight terrorism" instead of relying only on legitimate self-defense.

    How come so many Mormons support the things their book warns against? How come many "Christians" reject the teachings of the "Prince of Peace" in the New Testament by supporting neo-con wars?

    , @SteveRogers42
    @King George III

    Plus, missionary assignments may give them a foreign language skill and experience living and working in a foreign culture.

  34. I guess this third-party candidacy is Rick Wilson’s form of anime porn.

  35. @Anonymous
    CIA, CFR, Goldman Sachs.

    Have you know sense of decency, Sir?

    Replies: @Clifford Brown

    Candidate Egghead McMuffin checks all the boxes. You know, for a Bond style super villain, Bill Kristol consistently underwhelms.

    It’s almost as if they aren’t even trying.

  36. Maybe a Trump-supporting Super PAC can help Jill Stein with GOTV efforts in a few tossup states.

    Which tossup states? The Green Party won’t get many votes in Great Lakes states or in Utah.

  37. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Maybe a Trump-supporting Super PAC can help Jill Stein with GOTV efforts in a few tossup states.
    https://twitter.com/politico/status/762392910721589248

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Anonymous, @ic1000

    I’m with Trump 1000%. But if he dropped out, I’d vote for Stein. I could trust her not to start wars and not to promote the interests of Goldman Sachs. Plus, she’s a woman of real accomplishment and intelligence, unlike HRC. Harvard/Harvard Med, medical doctor for decades. And she looks damn healthy and good for her age (66). I’m glad she’s not going to be in the Presidential debates, she’d be the only one who could take on Trump and make him look bad.

    • Replies: @Difference maker
    @Anonymous

    1. Trump would never drop out

    2. Now is not the time to be attempting to take votes from Trump. Guess what: people with my SAT scores also go to Harvard medical. Go away shill

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  38. It will almost certainly backfire. Once his background comes out, two things will happen (depending upon the level of media attention he gets): 1. rank-in-file republicans will rally around Trump because this reinforces the narrative of him being an outsider 2. he will peel off support from Gary Johnson and make some who are voting Johnson vote Trump in order to spite the establishment they hate.

  39. @King George III
    Just how did Mormons come to be so intimately associated with the "deep state"?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack Hanson, @Peter Akuleyev, @MarkinPNW, @SteveRogers42

    Mormons didn’t have a lot of relatives behind the Iron Curtain.

    • Replies: @utu
    @Steve Sailer

    "Not long before Miller’s Soviet dalliance came to light, Perez, a Latino FBI agent, had filed his first discrimination complaint with the equal employment opportunity office. In the course of the next few years, he, along with more than 300 other agents, would file a class action suit against the FBI for racial and religious discrimination. Part of their complaint was that their Mormon higher-ups had favored agents of their own religion."
    http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/why-mormons-make-great-fbi-recruits
    Why Mormons Make Great FBI Recruits

  40. I’m with Trump 1000%. But if he dropped out, I’d vote for Stein. I could trust her not to start wars and not to promote the interests of Goldman Sachs. Plus, she’s a woman of real accomplishment and intelligence, unlike HRC. Harvard/Harvard Med, medical doctor for decades. And she looks damn healthy and good for her age (66). I’m glad she’s not going to be in the Presidential debates, she’d be the only one who could take on Trump and make him look bad.

    Nice to see Jill Stein interns read the blog!

    • LOL: Difference maker
  41. iSteveFan says:
    @Prof. Woland
    The Mormons had their chance with Romney twice and lost. They ought to just get out of the way like the Evangelicals appear to be doing and support Trump. They should be warned because if we get a President Clinton, they will be the donkey that the tail is pinned on.

    Replies: @CAL, @Lagertha, @iSteveFan, @Broski, @PistolPete

    Didn’t the Mormons get a lot of blowback for supporting the gay marriage ban in California? If the Mormons tip the election to Cankles, that will seem like a picnic compared to what half the nation has in store for them. They already have a tenuous relationship with Evangelicals as it is. If they tip it for Hillary, you might not be able to keep Mormons and Evangelicals in the same party.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @iSteveFan

    "Didn’t the Mormons get a lot of blowback for supporting the gay marriage ban in California? If the Mormons tip the election to Cankles, that will seem like a picnic compared to what half the nation has in store for them. They already have a tenuous relationship with Evangelicals as it is. If they tip it for Hillary, you might not be able to keep Mormons and Evangelicals in the same party."

    Mormons deserve religious persecution from Hildabeast if they help elect her into office.

    I hope Hildabeast throws any Mormon baker in Utah who refuses to bake a cake for a Gay into prison.

    Mormons are enemies of the Alt-Right because they want open borders to increase their religious membership.

    Mormons are not satisfied with being a small religious minority just like the Jews.

    Mormons want to become a huge religious group just like the Evangelicals, Catholics, and Muslims.

    , @Boethiuss
    @iSteveFan

    "Didn’t the Mormons get a lot of blowback for supporting the gay marriage ban in California? If the Mormons tip the election to Cankles, that will seem like a picnic compared to what half the nation has in store for them. They already have a tenuous relationship with Evangelicals as it is. If they tip it for Hillary, you might not be able to keep Mormons and Evangelicals in the same party."

    LOL. I barely have the heart to tell you but at the last secret CFR/Trilateral Commission meeting that we didn't tell you about, we all agreed that if Trump does win we'll be impeaching him shortly after he takes office.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

  42. @neutral
    He has exactly the same policies as Hillary and he is running against Trump, why don't these neocons just make it official and become Democrats ?

    Replies: @Kyle, @Jefferson, @Parsifal, @SteveRogers42

    The neocons don’t like lgbtq, the dems support lgbtq… or some gay thing like that, I don’t know.

    • Replies: @Divine Right
    @Kyle

    Neocons are just fine with LGBTG. This is an effort on their part to showcase their value to the ascendant left, hoping to be let into the tent.

    , @Bill
    @Kyle


    The neocons don’t like lgbtq
     
    So, like, the NRO staff are self-hating? Lindsay Graham is self-hating? Wide-stance Craig, self-hating? Ken Mehlman? Etc?

    The neocons pretend, poorly, to be on the SoCon's side. But, you know, they're kind of bug-chasing "dispositional conservatives" like Andrew Sullivan.
  43. @Lagertha
    @Prof. Woland

    exactly. Utah has already been getting, and will continue to receive massive amounts of M.E. refugees. It will be interesting to see when Mormons feel a critical mass has appeared with Muslims in their "ancient" lands.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “exactly. Utah has already been getting, and will continue to receive massive amounts of M.E. refugees. It will be interesting to see when Mormons feel a critical mass has appeared with Muslims in their “ancient” lands”

    I hope Mormons do lose their majority religious status in Utah. Mormonism was started by a scam artist named Joseph Smith. Not surprising that followers of a religion started by a crooked scam artist would prefer to see Crooked Hillary in The White House over Donald Trump.

    Mormonism is not a branch of Christianity. It’s a complete seperate religion from Christianity just like Islam, Judaism, Sikhism, Scientology, Santeria, Voodoo, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Jefferson

    Totally know Mormon history....ashamed that so many strong-backed Scandinavian farmers and farmer's wives decided to "go with it" when proselytizers showed up at the NY piers to talk about "free land and farm animals, but yeah, you have to travel to Utah in a wagon.", and, like, become a Mormon and all, and, the Scandinavian immigrants said, "whatever."

    Replies: @Olorin

    , @Anonymous
    @Jefferson

    Mormonism, Scientology, and the "positive thinking" stuff Trump was exposed to at the Marble Collegiate Church in NYC by the Rev. Norman Vincent Peale all have connections to the Second Great Awakening and its occultism. Joseph Smith grew up in western New York, the "burned over district", so called because of its religious and occult fervor. Smith and his family, like many others at the time, were involved in folk magic, fortune telling and seeking, dowsing, belief in and conjuring of ghosts and spirits, etc. The seer stones that Smith used to read the Book of Mormon were stones people would use to dowse and find buried and hidden treasure, see the future, see ghosts ans spirits, tell fortunes, etc. Much of Scientology traces back to this occultism, with sci-fi elements added. And "positive thinking" grew out of this and is fundamentally magical thinking, with various incantations, spells, and rituals used to manifest desires.

    , @FX Enderby
    @Jefferson

    I dunno - the current pope prolly thinks Islam, Judaism, Santeria, VooDoo-HooDoo-JuJu etc to be branches of Catholicism...

    , @Black Dog the Pirate
    @Jefferson

    And name any organization with a larger membership in America that promotes morality, traditional marriage and other civilization building values. By their fruits ye shall know them.

    Always find it funny when "Good Christians" rail against the Mormon Church, probably the biggest force against progressivism left in America, because they don't like Joseph Smith.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Je Suis Charlie Martel, @Bill

    , @Avenge Harambe
    @Jefferson

    The correct term for Mormonism would be cult.

    , @Jack D
    @Jefferson


    Mormonism is not a branch of Christianity.
     
    Then why is it called "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints"?

    I'd say that in their own terms they are Christian - they accept the divinity of Jesus. Of course in terms of other churches they are guilty of heresy, naturally, but you could say that about every Protestant sect.

    Theologically they are "restorationists" - they claim to be "restoring" the church to its early structure, as it was shortly after the death of Jesus. Most American evangelical churches from the earliest days (the Puritans) to the present claim to be restorationist although "restoration" is sort of a blank slate onto which you can project your desires.

    Of course, LDS goes beyond most other restorationist sects in that they have their own scripture. In this sense, they resemble Islam in that they are a derivative religion. They took an existing religion as a starting point and added to it. Mohammed and Joseph Smith are both termed "Prophets" - not divine figures but men who had a direct hotline to the Biblical God and His angels and were therefore qualified to add to the existing canon of holy books. As I have said before, the Book of Mormon is the foremost work of Biblical fan fiction.

    But it is certainly not a totally new and different religion like say Scientology, which claims no connection to the religions that came before it.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Chrisnonymous, @Jack Hanson, @Kevin O'Keeffe, @5371, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    , @Crawfurdmuir
    @Jefferson


    Mormonism is not a branch of Christianity. It’s a complete seperate religion from Christianity just like Islam, Judaism, Sikhism, Scientology, Santeria, Voodoo, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.
     
    Mormonism differs from the others in claiming to be Christian. Clearly by the standard of the Nicene or Athanasian Creeds, it is not. It resembles some of the ante-Nicene heresies described by Irenaeus. Also, as a learned Roman Catholic canonist pointed out to me, there are parallels between it and the thinking of Giordano Bruno.

    I suspect they feel some sympathy for their fellow polygamists. The mainstream Mormons abandoned polygamy in 1890 - their "prophet" had a "revelation" at the time - as a condition of Utah's admission to the Union. But I suspect they have a lingering nostalgia for the days of plural wives, and look to the Mohammedans to get polygamy re-legalized in the U.S. They can plead religious liberty, and (unlike Mormons) can complain that they are the victims of "racism" and "xenophobia" in being denied the right to one of their charming native practices.

    It is somewhat amusing to note that Sir Richard F. Burton, who had infiltrated Mecca disguised as a Mohammedan, also visited Salt Lake City. Brigham Young, aware of his Arabian exploits, was courteous, but would not admit him to the Mormons' temple. Burton wrote of Mormon polygamy:

    "The anomaly of such a practice in the midst of civilization is worthy of a place in De Balzac's great repertory of morbid anatomy: it is only to be equaled by the exceptional nature of the Mormon's position, his past fate and his future prospects. Spartan-like, the Faith wants a race of warriors, and it adopts the best means to obtain them. (...)

    "The other motive for polygamy in Utah is economy. Servants are rare and costly; it is cheaper and more comfortable to marry them..."

    Both Mormons and Muslims disbelieve in a future purgatory. That's because, with multiple mothers-in-law and no booze, they are living through it here and now.

    Replies: @5371, @Stan Adams

  44. @JohnnyWalker123
    By the way, even if he siphons a small percentage of the vote off in Utah, he could throw the state to Hillary. That'd create difficulty in Trump's journey to an electoral-college majority.

    Replies: @Divine Right, @Mark F.

    Trump will likely still win Utah anyway, assuming he doesn’t sabotage himself, and do better elsewhere as a result of being a foil to this guy’s elitist image (#neverTrump types were already voting for Johnson or Hillary, so he won’t peel off any more from Trump and may even cause some Johnson supporters to jump ship to Trump). Another good thing about this guy is that his motives are transparent: he’s trying to throw the race to Hillary on behalf of the GOP neocon establishment.

    Regardless of how it turns out, interventionists will suffer in the long run as a result. Assuming Hillary wins and wins re-election, that will be the last gasp of militarist interventionism from the Democrats; the next Democratic nominee will likely be a minority that espouses similar positions to Bernie Sanders and Republicans will not embrace those traitors again, at least not as enthusiastically as during the Bush regime. All may seem dark now, but there are signs of change in the air.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
    @Divine Right

    The plan the people who run the Democratic party have is to roll out a pro-globalism, pro-Wall St., Israel first nonwhite candidate after Hillary. Watch Cory Booker, Senator from NJ.

  45. @Kyle
    @neutral

    The neocons don't like lgbtq, the dems support lgbtq... or some gay thing like that, I don't know.

    Replies: @Divine Right, @Bill

    Neocons are just fine with LGBTG. This is an effort on their part to showcase their value to the ascendant left, hoping to be let into the tent.

  46. @neutral
    He has exactly the same policies as Hillary and he is running against Trump, why don't these neocons just make it official and become Democrats ?

    Replies: @Kyle, @Jefferson, @Parsifal, @SteveRogers42

    “He has exactly the same policies as Hillary and he is running against Trump, why don’t these neocons just make it official and become Democrats?”

    They haven’t officially joined The Democratic Party yet because they don’t like their tax policies.

    A sizable percentage of the GOP establishment literally are Liberals who don’t like to pay taxes.

    • Agree: Frau Katze, dfordoom
  47. @Jefferson
    @Lagertha

    "exactly. Utah has already been getting, and will continue to receive massive amounts of M.E. refugees. It will be interesting to see when Mormons feel a critical mass has appeared with Muslims in their “ancient” lands"

    I hope Mormons do lose their majority religious status in Utah. Mormonism was started by a scam artist named Joseph Smith. Not surprising that followers of a religion started by a crooked scam artist would prefer to see Crooked Hillary in The White House over Donald Trump.

    Mormonism is not a branch of Christianity. It's a complete seperate religion from Christianity just like Islam, Judaism, Sikhism, Scientology, Santeria, Voodoo, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Anonymous, @FX Enderby, @Black Dog the Pirate, @Avenge Harambe, @Jack D, @Crawfurdmuir

    Totally know Mormon history….ashamed that so many strong-backed Scandinavian farmers and farmer’s wives decided to “go with it” when proselytizers showed up at the NY piers to talk about “free land and farm animals, but yeah, you have to travel to Utah in a wagon.”, and, like, become a Mormon and all, and, the Scandinavian immigrants said, “whatever.”

    • Replies: @Olorin
    @Lagertha

    I dunno. I would say this is one more piece of evidence that genome trumps ideology.

  48. @iSteveFan
    @Prof. Woland

    Didn't the Mormons get a lot of blowback for supporting the gay marriage ban in California? If the Mormons tip the election to Cankles, that will seem like a picnic compared to what half the nation has in store for them. They already have a tenuous relationship with Evangelicals as it is. If they tip it for Hillary, you might not be able to keep Mormons and Evangelicals in the same party.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Boethiuss

    “Didn’t the Mormons get a lot of blowback for supporting the gay marriage ban in California? If the Mormons tip the election to Cankles, that will seem like a picnic compared to what half the nation has in store for them. They already have a tenuous relationship with Evangelicals as it is. If they tip it for Hillary, you might not be able to keep Mormons and Evangelicals in the same party.”

    Mormons deserve religious persecution from Hildabeast if they help elect her into office.

    I hope Hildabeast throws any Mormon baker in Utah who refuses to bake a cake for a Gay into prison.

    Mormons are enemies of the Alt-Right because they want open borders to increase their religious membership.

    Mormons are not satisfied with being a small religious minority just like the Jews.

    Mormons want to become a huge religious group just like the Evangelicals, Catholics, and Muslims.

  49. @Anonymous
    OT: Is anyone else amazed at the openly Russophobic coverage of the ROI Olympics? Juxtaposed with the fawning adoration of refugees?

    Replies: @Divine Right, @Bill Jones, @guest

    “OT: Is anyone else amazed at the openly Russophobic coverage of the ROI Olympics?”

    Not at all. NBC and company did the same thing at Sochi. These SJWs are always looking for a way to virtue signal their moral superiority to us lowly proles. What safer way to do that than by attacking a predominantly white country? I mean, it’s not like they were complaining as loudly about the Chinese dictatorship during Beijing, but then again they aren’t white.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Divine Right

    "I mean, it’s not like they were complaining as loudly about the Chinese dictatorship during Beijing, but then again they aren’t white."

    The Chinese do become White if they step foot on Silicon Valley dirt.

    Silicon Valley is unbearably White according to the Left, despite it looking like Bruce Lee's The Way Of The Dragon.

  50. Trump had a four-star general backing him in the primary. General Robert Oakes is a Utah native, attended BYU, and has a highly-decorated military career.

    http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2016/03/ret-four-star-air-force-general-robert-oaks-endorses-donald-trump-for-potus-3119041.html

  51. @Almost Missouri

    "Mr. McMullin is said to be backed by the group Better for America,"
     
    which is backed by the Hillary campaign.

    End of story.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Which is backed by the Hillary campaign.

    What’s your evidence for that?

  52. Evan McMullin resembles “Renard,” James Bond’s nemesis in The World is Not Enough, played by Robert Carlyle. Actually, I think McMullin has Carlyle beat as far as the soulless android look.

  53. @CAL
    @Pagoda

    Yep, if they were sure Trump is going to lose, and the MSM and establishment left and right has been announcing that from day one, they would just sit back and watch Hillary slaughter him. The fact that they aren't is telling. The NYT just announced that Trump is so beyond the pale they will not provide fair reporting. The establishment is pulling out all of the stop.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Boethiuss, @ben tillman

    The NYT just announced that Trump is so beyond the pale they will not provide fair reporting.

    Citation?

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Anonymous

    I assume he's referring to this.
    https://twitter.com/PreetaTweets/status/762753526556725249

    Replies: @Pericles, @Jack D, @Forbes

  54. @CAL
    @Pagoda

    Yep, if they were sure Trump is going to lose, and the MSM and establishment left and right has been announcing that from day one, they would just sit back and watch Hillary slaughter him. The fact that they aren't is telling. The NYT just announced that Trump is so beyond the pale they will not provide fair reporting. The establishment is pulling out all of the stop.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Boethiuss, @ben tillman

    “Yep, if they were sure Trump is going to lose, and the MSM and establishment left and right has been announcing that from day one, they would just sit back and watch Hillary slaughter him. The fact that they aren’t is telling. The NYT just announced that Trump is so beyond the pale they will not provide fair reporting. The establishment is pulling out all of the stop.”

    Yeah but then they’d be supporting Hillary, which isn’t what they want.

    Look, there’s this idea from a lot of Trump supporters regarding his temperament, character and so on. They want to think of it like taking a bag of potato chips to a slightly dense checkout clerk at the 7-11.

    “So the GOP loses 3 or 4 points relative to Hillary because our nominee is Donald Trump. Fine let’s just pay it and move on.

    With the Demographics of America, the popularity of Trump’s position on immigration, and his ability to attract discouraged voters and bring them to the polls, we’ve got a decent shot anyway. So let’s just take our chances.”

    It’s important to emphasize that’s exactly what’s _not_ going to happen. It’s not something where you can hand Hillary a couple of cheap points and move on. It actually changes the underlying reality of the race, in terms of who represents “us” and who are “them”. Too many Trump fans think the whole thing are just fabricated controversies for the sake of partisan advantage. They’re not, and we’re about to learn that to our detriment.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Boethiuss

    Please restate your comment and the political dynamic you are trying to describe and point you are trying to make. It sounds potentially ripe with insight but I don't follow it and I imagine other readers are in the same boat.

    Replies: @Boethiuss

    , @anon
    @Boethiuss

    It’s important to emphasize that’s exactly what’s _not_ going to happen. It’s not something where you can hand Hillary a couple of cheap points and move on. It actually changes the underlying reality of the race, in terms of who represents “us” and who are “them”.

    Changes it from whom to whom??

    Too many Trump fans think the whole thing are just fabricated controversies for the sake of partisan advantage. They’re not, and we’re about to learn that to our detriment.

    What the hell are they being fabricated for then??

    , @jeremiahjohnbalaya
    @Boethiuss

    Trump fans think the whole thing are just fabricated controversies for the sake of partisan advantage.

    They are fabricated controversies. Bees buzz, bird sing, the moon follows the sun across the sky, scorpions sting, and liberals lie.

    , @Anonymous Nephew
    @Boethiuss

    Boethiuss is easily the best and most sophisticated anti-Trump troll to arrive here in this election cycle.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    , @Jack D
    @Boethiuss


    Too many Trump fans think the whole thing are just fabricated controversies for the sake of partisan advantage.
     
    You're right - whether we should interpret Trump's remarks about crying babies or the Russians hacking into Hillary's unsecure server as the jokes that he clearly intended them to be or as signs of deep mental instability is an important question (certainly more important than discussing terrorism or falling standards of living) that spontaneously sprang to the minds of most Americans and one that is in no way tainted by partisanship or slanted coverage. Nothing to see here folks, move along.

    Replies: @ic1000

  55. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jefferson
    @Lagertha

    "exactly. Utah has already been getting, and will continue to receive massive amounts of M.E. refugees. It will be interesting to see when Mormons feel a critical mass has appeared with Muslims in their “ancient” lands"

    I hope Mormons do lose their majority religious status in Utah. Mormonism was started by a scam artist named Joseph Smith. Not surprising that followers of a religion started by a crooked scam artist would prefer to see Crooked Hillary in The White House over Donald Trump.

    Mormonism is not a branch of Christianity. It's a complete seperate religion from Christianity just like Islam, Judaism, Sikhism, Scientology, Santeria, Voodoo, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Anonymous, @FX Enderby, @Black Dog the Pirate, @Avenge Harambe, @Jack D, @Crawfurdmuir

    Mormonism, Scientology, and the “positive thinking” stuff Trump was exposed to at the Marble Collegiate Church in NYC by the Rev. Norman Vincent Peale all have connections to the Second Great Awakening and its occultism. Joseph Smith grew up in western New York, the “burned over district”, so called because of its religious and occult fervor. Smith and his family, like many others at the time, were involved in folk magic, fortune telling and seeking, dowsing, belief in and conjuring of ghosts and spirits, etc. The seer stones that Smith used to read the Book of Mormon were stones people would use to dowse and find buried and hidden treasure, see the future, see ghosts ans spirits, tell fortunes, etc. Much of Scientology traces back to this occultism, with sci-fi elements added. And “positive thinking” grew out of this and is fundamentally magical thinking, with various incantations, spells, and rituals used to manifest desires.

  56. @King George III
    Just how did Mormons come to be so intimately associated with the "deep state"?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack Hanson, @Peter Akuleyev, @MarkinPNW, @SteveRogers42

    Mormons are often bilingual, publicly live ‘clean’ lives, and are very clannish. It makes it easy for them to stuff national security agencies with their ilk.

    Something like a third of the FBI is Mormon, for example.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jack Hanson

    Moderate number of Mormons at State (15-20 years ago) but TONS at the Agency. And yes, they all seemed to know one another.

  57. BTW, I finally got around to watching The Sopranos from start to finish. Which made it seem quite odd to me that in 2007, Hillary made a campaign video that mirrored, scene for scene, the last scene in The Sopranos ending with the screen going black as Tony is presumably shot to death. Hillary, who arrives first and is looking through the selections on the jukebox, plays the Tony Soprano role. I guess it was supposed to show how “fun” Hillary can be, but it seems like the Clintons must have gotten a little thrill from throwing this out there, what with the many sketchy things we know about them. “Hint, hint–we’re gangsters, too.”

    Here’s the scene from The Sopranos for comparison.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Harry Baldwin

    "it seems like the Clintons must have gotten a little thrill from throwing this out there, what with the many sketchy things we know about them. “Hint, hint–we’re gangsters, too.”

    Hildabeast was trying to win the Michael Brown vote with that "we're gangstas too" campaign ad.

    , @guest
    @Harry Baldwin

    I didn't presume Tony was shot to death. There's not enough information to presume anything, which is why it was such a bad ending.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    , @SteveRogers42
    @Harry Baldwin

    I remember seeing this at the time, and thinking how jaw-droppingly inappropriate it was, given the Clintons' trail of scandals and...other things. Were they actively trying to brand themselves as an organized crime family? But, as with so many other things, a gaffe that would have permanently sunk another pol is not even a speed bump in the path of the Clinton Dynasty.

  58. Liberals who don’t like to pay taxes.

    That’s a good definition of Lib Lib “Libertarians”, perhaps substituting “Leftists” for “Liberals.”

  59. @Boethiuss
    @CAL

    "Yep, if they were sure Trump is going to lose, and the MSM and establishment left and right has been announcing that from day one, they would just sit back and watch Hillary slaughter him. The fact that they aren’t is telling. The NYT just announced that Trump is so beyond the pale they will not provide fair reporting. The establishment is pulling out all of the stop."

    Yeah but then they'd be supporting Hillary, which isn't what they want.

    Look, there's this idea from a lot of Trump supporters regarding his temperament, character and so on. They want to think of it like taking a bag of potato chips to a slightly dense checkout clerk at the 7-11.

    "So the GOP loses 3 or 4 points relative to Hillary because our nominee is Donald Trump. Fine let's just pay it and move on.

    With the Demographics of America, the popularity of Trump's position on immigration, and his ability to attract discouraged voters and bring them to the polls, we've got a decent shot anyway. So let's just take our chances."

    It's important to emphasize that's exactly what's _not_ going to happen. It's not something where you can hand Hillary a couple of cheap points and move on. It actually changes the underlying reality of the race, in terms of who represents "us" and who are "them". Too many Trump fans think the whole thing are just fabricated controversies for the sake of partisan advantage. They're not, and we're about to learn that to our detriment.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon, @jeremiahjohnbalaya, @Anonymous Nephew, @Jack D

    Please restate your comment and the political dynamic you are trying to describe and point you are trying to make. It sounds potentially ripe with insight but I don’t follow it and I imagine other readers are in the same boat.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
    @Anonymous

    "Please restate your comment and the political dynamic you are trying to describe and point you are trying to make. It sounds potentially ripe with insight but I don’t follow it and I imagine other readers are in the same boat."

    Sure. We evaluate candidates in terms of the answers to several different, but related questions. Ie,

    Will candidate X win? (ie in the gut if you have to choose)
    Can X win? (realistic shot)
    Does he deserve to win?
    Do I intend to vote for him?
    Do I want him to win?
    Do I want his policies or executive actions?
    Do I want him to represent me, individually and the nation as a whole?

    At this point in the campaign, all of these should be nonentities except the first, sometimes the first and second (which is bad enough in its own right). The problem with Trump, his entire campaign and especially the recent scandals is that it puts fear, uncertainty and doubt at all of these levels, not just the short-term horserace.

    At a fundamental level Trump _still_ hasn't won his primary.

    Replies: @Difference maker

  60. @Jefferson
    @Lagertha

    "exactly. Utah has already been getting, and will continue to receive massive amounts of M.E. refugees. It will be interesting to see when Mormons feel a critical mass has appeared with Muslims in their “ancient” lands"

    I hope Mormons do lose their majority religious status in Utah. Mormonism was started by a scam artist named Joseph Smith. Not surprising that followers of a religion started by a crooked scam artist would prefer to see Crooked Hillary in The White House over Donald Trump.

    Mormonism is not a branch of Christianity. It's a complete seperate religion from Christianity just like Islam, Judaism, Sikhism, Scientology, Santeria, Voodoo, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Anonymous, @FX Enderby, @Black Dog the Pirate, @Avenge Harambe, @Jack D, @Crawfurdmuir

    I dunno – the current pope prolly thinks Islam, Judaism, Santeria, VooDoo-HooDoo-JuJu etc to be branches of Catholicism…

  61. @iSteveFan
    @Prof. Woland

    Didn't the Mormons get a lot of blowback for supporting the gay marriage ban in California? If the Mormons tip the election to Cankles, that will seem like a picnic compared to what half the nation has in store for them. They already have a tenuous relationship with Evangelicals as it is. If they tip it for Hillary, you might not be able to keep Mormons and Evangelicals in the same party.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Boethiuss

    “Didn’t the Mormons get a lot of blowback for supporting the gay marriage ban in California? If the Mormons tip the election to Cankles, that will seem like a picnic compared to what half the nation has in store for them. They already have a tenuous relationship with Evangelicals as it is. If they tip it for Hillary, you might not be able to keep Mormons and Evangelicals in the same party.”

    LOL. I barely have the heart to tell you but at the last secret CFR/Trilateral Commission meeting that we didn’t tell you about, we all agreed that if Trump does win we’ll be impeaching him shortly after he takes office.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Boethiuss

    Your "we" refers to Mormons, does it not? So you are Mormon?

    Your Mormon candidate is a member of the Council of Foreign Relations ... so your CFR/Trilateral Commission joke, lame as it is, is a little too close to reality to be funny. Because this guy truly is a member of the CFR, and he truly does have connections to institutions that seek to reshape the global geopolitical landscape to their liking.

    Replies: @Boethiuss

  62. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Boethiuss
    @CAL

    "Yep, if they were sure Trump is going to lose, and the MSM and establishment left and right has been announcing that from day one, they would just sit back and watch Hillary slaughter him. The fact that they aren’t is telling. The NYT just announced that Trump is so beyond the pale they will not provide fair reporting. The establishment is pulling out all of the stop."

    Yeah but then they'd be supporting Hillary, which isn't what they want.

    Look, there's this idea from a lot of Trump supporters regarding his temperament, character and so on. They want to think of it like taking a bag of potato chips to a slightly dense checkout clerk at the 7-11.

    "So the GOP loses 3 or 4 points relative to Hillary because our nominee is Donald Trump. Fine let's just pay it and move on.

    With the Demographics of America, the popularity of Trump's position on immigration, and his ability to attract discouraged voters and bring them to the polls, we've got a decent shot anyway. So let's just take our chances."

    It's important to emphasize that's exactly what's _not_ going to happen. It's not something where you can hand Hillary a couple of cheap points and move on. It actually changes the underlying reality of the race, in terms of who represents "us" and who are "them". Too many Trump fans think the whole thing are just fabricated controversies for the sake of partisan advantage. They're not, and we're about to learn that to our detriment.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon, @jeremiahjohnbalaya, @Anonymous Nephew, @Jack D

    It’s important to emphasize that’s exactly what’s _not_ going to happen. It’s not something where you can hand Hillary a couple of cheap points and move on. It actually changes the underlying reality of the race, in terms of who represents “us” and who are “them”.

    Changes it from whom to whom??

    Too many Trump fans think the whole thing are just fabricated controversies for the sake of partisan advantage. They’re not, and we’re about to learn that to our detriment.

    What the hell are they being fabricated for then??

  63. Based on his ’01 college grad year he’s around 37. So, basically, a huge part of the Republican establishment, including the powers that got their guy nominated in 2012, is now overtly attempting to throw the election to the Democrat.

    • Replies: @The Man From K Street
    @Broski


    Based on his ’01 college grad year he’s around 37.
     
    He's 40. With any observant Mormon, you usually have to add 2-3 years to their graduation age to account for their mission, whether it was overseas or domestic. The same factor amounts to a de facto redshirting that keeps BYU more competitive in college football than it ordinarily would have any right to be.
    , @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    @Broski

    CIA, Goldman Sachs, Refugee Resettlement, and Republican Foreign Policy...
    Show me four areas of the American Establishment that have exhibited more wisdom, foresight and flawless execution this century...

    And Judith Miller's NYT crowing that 50 GOP hacks repudiated Trump...
    Sorry, the repudiators have already been repudiated

  64. @Prof. Woland
    The Mormons had their chance with Romney twice and lost. They ought to just get out of the way like the Evangelicals appear to be doing and support Trump. They should be warned because if we get a President Clinton, they will be the donkey that the tail is pinned on.

    Replies: @CAL, @Lagertha, @iSteveFan, @Broski, @PistolPete

    Mormons, at least among the elites, are largely immigration traitors. Much like the Catholics, the Mormon church foresees most of its future among nonwhites.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Broski

    Because even the top leadership doesn't buy the fantasiess dreamed up by a charismatic sect leader in rural New York. So they peddle the snake oil to dim Aztec peasants and try to dial the more outrageous stuff back to the level of a Protestant book club. First World wallets, Third World bodies.

    Replies: @ben tillman

  65. @JohnnyWalker123
    Trump says that Somalian immigrants are bringing crime into Maine.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/290633-gop-senator-rips-trumps-unhelpful-comments-about-somalis

    Replies: @Barnard, @Lagertha, @Broski, @Forbes

    Trump says that Somalian immigrants are bringing crime into Maine.

    LOL! Isn’t that great? It’s great. It’s a really awesome thing that there’s a national candidate willing to say what is true.

  66. @Boethiuss
    @CAL

    "Yep, if they were sure Trump is going to lose, and the MSM and establishment left and right has been announcing that from day one, they would just sit back and watch Hillary slaughter him. The fact that they aren’t is telling. The NYT just announced that Trump is so beyond the pale they will not provide fair reporting. The establishment is pulling out all of the stop."

    Yeah but then they'd be supporting Hillary, which isn't what they want.

    Look, there's this idea from a lot of Trump supporters regarding his temperament, character and so on. They want to think of it like taking a bag of potato chips to a slightly dense checkout clerk at the 7-11.

    "So the GOP loses 3 or 4 points relative to Hillary because our nominee is Donald Trump. Fine let's just pay it and move on.

    With the Demographics of America, the popularity of Trump's position on immigration, and his ability to attract discouraged voters and bring them to the polls, we've got a decent shot anyway. So let's just take our chances."

    It's important to emphasize that's exactly what's _not_ going to happen. It's not something where you can hand Hillary a couple of cheap points and move on. It actually changes the underlying reality of the race, in terms of who represents "us" and who are "them". Too many Trump fans think the whole thing are just fabricated controversies for the sake of partisan advantage. They're not, and we're about to learn that to our detriment.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon, @jeremiahjohnbalaya, @Anonymous Nephew, @Jack D

    Trump fans think the whole thing are just fabricated controversies for the sake of partisan advantage.

    They are fabricated controversies. Bees buzz, bird sing, the moon follows the sun across the sky, scorpions sting, and liberals lie.

  67. @Anonymous
    @Boethiuss

    Please restate your comment and the political dynamic you are trying to describe and point you are trying to make. It sounds potentially ripe with insight but I don't follow it and I imagine other readers are in the same boat.

    Replies: @Boethiuss

    “Please restate your comment and the political dynamic you are trying to describe and point you are trying to make. It sounds potentially ripe with insight but I don’t follow it and I imagine other readers are in the same boat.”

    Sure. We evaluate candidates in terms of the answers to several different, but related questions. Ie,

    Will candidate X win? (ie in the gut if you have to choose)
    Can X win? (realistic shot)
    Does he deserve to win?
    Do I intend to vote for him?
    Do I want him to win?
    Do I want his policies or executive actions?
    Do I want him to represent me, individually and the nation as a whole?

    At this point in the campaign, all of these should be nonentities except the first, sometimes the first and second (which is bad enough in its own right). The problem with Trump, his entire campaign and especially the recent scandals is that it puts fear, uncertainty and doubt at all of these levels, not just the short-term horserace.

    At a fundamental level Trump _still_ hasn’t won his primary.

    • Replies: @Difference maker
    @Boethiuss

    Actually he wins all of them easily. Well said

    Replies: @Boethiuss

  68. @Boethiuss
    @iSteveFan

    "Didn’t the Mormons get a lot of blowback for supporting the gay marriage ban in California? If the Mormons tip the election to Cankles, that will seem like a picnic compared to what half the nation has in store for them. They already have a tenuous relationship with Evangelicals as it is. If they tip it for Hillary, you might not be able to keep Mormons and Evangelicals in the same party."

    LOL. I barely have the heart to tell you but at the last secret CFR/Trilateral Commission meeting that we didn't tell you about, we all agreed that if Trump does win we'll be impeaching him shortly after he takes office.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    Your “we” refers to Mormons, does it not? So you are Mormon?

    Your Mormon candidate is a member of the Council of Foreign Relations … so your CFR/Trilateral Commission joke, lame as it is, is a little too close to reality to be funny. Because this guy truly is a member of the CFR, and he truly does have connections to institutions that seek to reshape the global geopolitical landscape to their liking.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
    @Stan Adams

    No I'm not a Mormon. To be honest I'm not exactly sure who "we" is supposed to be in that context, the members of the CFR/Trilateral Commission presumably.

    Joking aside, I will say this: I do think that if Trump wins that there's a very high likelihood that he will be impeached. Maybe high in absolute terms, but at the very least high in comparison to a "typical" President and the partisan capital that he carries.

    I for one actually think that's a good thing (in fact maybe one of the very best reasons to vote for Trump). I don't expect the True Believers to agree with that but it should color their expectations of what's likely to happen if Trump does win.

    In any event, the idea that Trump partisans are going to blame Mormons if somehow Utah would have put him over, well it's entertaining at the very least.

    Replies: @Difference maker, @Stan Adams, @Forbes

  69. @Divine Right
    @Anonymous

    "OT: Is anyone else amazed at the openly Russophobic coverage of the ROI Olympics?"

    Not at all. NBC and company did the same thing at Sochi. These SJWs are always looking for a way to virtue signal their moral superiority to us lowly proles. What safer way to do that than by attacking a predominantly white country? I mean, it's not like they were complaining as loudly about the Chinese dictatorship during Beijing, but then again they aren't white.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “I mean, it’s not like they were complaining as loudly about the Chinese dictatorship during Beijing, but then again they aren’t white.”

    The Chinese do become White if they step foot on Silicon Valley dirt.

    Silicon Valley is unbearably White according to the Left, despite it looking like Bruce Lee’s The Way Of The Dragon.

  70. Although Trump is not your regular Chauncey Gardiner, his sometimes unintentional apocryphal tendencies scare the shit out of the Cooperation of Important Acronyms.

    Let’s take Syria as an example.

    With the full disclosure of all classified materials, President Trump’s reaction would be:

    “Soooo,basically we don’t want to fix AIJSIS thing, but you want me to act like we’re really working hard to fix AIJSIS thing?……Wow, that reminds me of the old times when, in exchange for union cooperation, I had to purchase the concrete for inflated prices from Fat Tony. Wow. Amazing.”

    You are all welcome to share: https://postimg.org/image/9p7o57vwb/

  71. @Anonymous
    @Dave Pinsen

    I'm with Trump 1000%. But if he dropped out, I'd vote for Stein. I could trust her not to start wars and not to promote the interests of Goldman Sachs. Plus, she's a woman of real accomplishment and intelligence, unlike HRC. Harvard/Harvard Med, medical doctor for decades. And she looks damn healthy and good for her age (66). I'm glad she's not going to be in the Presidential debates, she'd be the only one who could take on Trump and make him look bad.

    Replies: @Difference maker

    1. Trump would never drop out

    2. Now is not the time to be attempting to take votes from Trump. Guess what: people with my SAT scores also go to Harvard medical. Go away shill

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Difference maker

    Read his comment again. He's pro-Trump.

    Jill Stein would take votes from Hillary, not Trump.

    Replies: @Difference maker

  72. @Stan Adams
    @Boethiuss

    Your "we" refers to Mormons, does it not? So you are Mormon?

    Your Mormon candidate is a member of the Council of Foreign Relations ... so your CFR/Trilateral Commission joke, lame as it is, is a little too close to reality to be funny. Because this guy truly is a member of the CFR, and he truly does have connections to institutions that seek to reshape the global geopolitical landscape to their liking.

    Replies: @Boethiuss

    No I’m not a Mormon. To be honest I’m not exactly sure who “we” is supposed to be in that context, the members of the CFR/Trilateral Commission presumably.

    Joking aside, I will say this: I do think that if Trump wins that there’s a very high likelihood that he will be impeached. Maybe high in absolute terms, but at the very least high in comparison to a “typical” President and the partisan capital that he carries.

    I for one actually think that’s a good thing (in fact maybe one of the very best reasons to vote for Trump). I don’t expect the True Believers to agree with that but it should color their expectations of what’s likely to happen if Trump does win.

    In any event, the idea that Trump partisans are going to blame Mormons if somehow Utah would have put him over, well it’s entertaining at the very least.

    • Replies: @Difference maker
    @Boethiuss

    Wrong, Trump will make America great again, and i blame Mormons already

    , @Stan Adams
    @Boethiuss


    Joking aside, I will say this: I do think that if Trump wins that there’s a very high likelihood that he will be impeached. Maybe high in absolute terms, but at the very least high in comparison to a “typical” President and the partisan capital that he carries.
     
    Well, talk about spreading fear, uncertainty, and doubt! "They'll never let Trump stay in office!"

    What, in your expert opinion, would Trump do to prompt Congress to impeach him?

    Replies: @Boethiuss

    , @Forbes
    @Boethiuss

    Stop already! My eyes are tearing-up from peeling back the layers of onion in your convoluted conspiracy scenario.

    The CFR/Trilateral Commission will impeach Trump when/if the Mormons, by way of the JV member of the Deep State/Goldman Sachs, don't throw the election to Hillary. And that's a good thing, i.e. a reason to vote for Trump.

    You're right. Entertaining at the very least.

  73. @Boethiuss
    @Anonymous

    "Please restate your comment and the political dynamic you are trying to describe and point you are trying to make. It sounds potentially ripe with insight but I don’t follow it and I imagine other readers are in the same boat."

    Sure. We evaluate candidates in terms of the answers to several different, but related questions. Ie,

    Will candidate X win? (ie in the gut if you have to choose)
    Can X win? (realistic shot)
    Does he deserve to win?
    Do I intend to vote for him?
    Do I want him to win?
    Do I want his policies or executive actions?
    Do I want him to represent me, individually and the nation as a whole?

    At this point in the campaign, all of these should be nonentities except the first, sometimes the first and second (which is bad enough in its own right). The problem with Trump, his entire campaign and especially the recent scandals is that it puts fear, uncertainty and doubt at all of these levels, not just the short-term horserace.

    At a fundamental level Trump _still_ hasn't won his primary.

    Replies: @Difference maker

    Actually he wins all of them easily. Well said

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
    @Difference maker

    "Actually he wins all of them easily. Well said"

    Yeah, it sounds cool to say that, trying to stand up for the cause, but in Trump's case it doesn't work.

    It's much easier to justify Trump if you allow for his faults, because then you can say that he's the best alternative in a bad situation. If you try to pretend that the faults aren't there, then you just look stupid.

    Replies: @Difference maker

  74. @Harry Baldwin
    BTW, I finally got around to watching The Sopranos from start to finish. Which made it seem quite odd to me that in 2007, Hillary made a campaign video that mirrored, scene for scene, the last scene in The Sopranos ending with the screen going black as Tony is presumably shot to death. Hillary, who arrives first and is looking through the selections on the jukebox, plays the Tony Soprano role. I guess it was supposed to show how "fun" Hillary can be, but it seems like the Clintons must have gotten a little thrill from throwing this out there, what with the many sketchy things we know about them. "Hint, hint--we're gangsters, too."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BEPcJlz2wE

    Here's the scene from The Sopranos for comparison.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnT7nYbCSvM

    Replies: @Jefferson, @guest, @SteveRogers42

    “it seems like the Clintons must have gotten a little thrill from throwing this out there, what with the many sketchy things we know about them. “Hint, hint–we’re gangsters, too.”

    Hildabeast was trying to win the Michael Brown vote with that “we’re gangstas too” campaign ad.

  75. @Boethiuss
    @Stan Adams

    No I'm not a Mormon. To be honest I'm not exactly sure who "we" is supposed to be in that context, the members of the CFR/Trilateral Commission presumably.

    Joking aside, I will say this: I do think that if Trump wins that there's a very high likelihood that he will be impeached. Maybe high in absolute terms, but at the very least high in comparison to a "typical" President and the partisan capital that he carries.

    I for one actually think that's a good thing (in fact maybe one of the very best reasons to vote for Trump). I don't expect the True Believers to agree with that but it should color their expectations of what's likely to happen if Trump does win.

    In any event, the idea that Trump partisans are going to blame Mormons if somehow Utah would have put him over, well it's entertaining at the very least.

    Replies: @Difference maker, @Stan Adams, @Forbes

    Wrong, Trump will make America great again, and i blame Mormons already

  76. Mormons aren’t even American, as they’ve shown. Exiled into a desert wasteland, in enmity with Americans, going forth almost on pilgrimage into the unbelievers’ lands, what is America to them?

  77. @Jefferson
    @Lagertha

    "exactly. Utah has already been getting, and will continue to receive massive amounts of M.E. refugees. It will be interesting to see when Mormons feel a critical mass has appeared with Muslims in their “ancient” lands"

    I hope Mormons do lose their majority religious status in Utah. Mormonism was started by a scam artist named Joseph Smith. Not surprising that followers of a religion started by a crooked scam artist would prefer to see Crooked Hillary in The White House over Donald Trump.

    Mormonism is not a branch of Christianity. It's a complete seperate religion from Christianity just like Islam, Judaism, Sikhism, Scientology, Santeria, Voodoo, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Anonymous, @FX Enderby, @Black Dog the Pirate, @Avenge Harambe, @Jack D, @Crawfurdmuir

    And name any organization with a larger membership in America that promotes morality, traditional marriage and other civilization building values. By their fruits ye shall know them.

    Always find it funny when “Good Christians” rail against the Mormon Church, probably the biggest force against progressivism left in America, because they don’t like Joseph Smith.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @Black Dog the Pirate

    Islam also promotes sexual morality, traditional marriage, temperance, and other "civilization building values". Mormonism works in the US because it is primarily the religion of the descendants of New England settlers. If it ever becomes a religion dominated mostly by Latin Americans and Africans, the non-Christian elements buried in its theology are going to become pretty obvious and obnoxious.

    , @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    @Black Dog the Pirate

    Mormons are SO American that they basically took bourgeois, Gilded Age America and made it a religion.
    Have you seen the Mormon Temple in DC? The interior is basically a bunch of Gilded Age living rooms

    , @Bill
    @Black Dog the Pirate

    They don't promote morality or traditional marriage. They accept both abortion and divorce. Rather, the whole religion is centered around a John Dewey-esque drive to produce highly productive cogs for use in bourgeois society. Whatever serves that end, they are for.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

  78. @Boethiuss
    @Stan Adams

    No I'm not a Mormon. To be honest I'm not exactly sure who "we" is supposed to be in that context, the members of the CFR/Trilateral Commission presumably.

    Joking aside, I will say this: I do think that if Trump wins that there's a very high likelihood that he will be impeached. Maybe high in absolute terms, but at the very least high in comparison to a "typical" President and the partisan capital that he carries.

    I for one actually think that's a good thing (in fact maybe one of the very best reasons to vote for Trump). I don't expect the True Believers to agree with that but it should color their expectations of what's likely to happen if Trump does win.

    In any event, the idea that Trump partisans are going to blame Mormons if somehow Utah would have put him over, well it's entertaining at the very least.

    Replies: @Difference maker, @Stan Adams, @Forbes

    Joking aside, I will say this: I do think that if Trump wins that there’s a very high likelihood that he will be impeached. Maybe high in absolute terms, but at the very least high in comparison to a “typical” President and the partisan capital that he carries.

    Well, talk about spreading fear, uncertainty, and doubt! “They’ll never let Trump stay in office!”

    What, in your expert opinion, would Trump do to prompt Congress to impeach him?

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
    @Stan Adams

    "What, in your expert opinion, would Trump do to prompt Congress to impeach him?"

    Any number of the things he's done so far in the context of actually being President. Belligerent treatment of Congress or Members of it. Initiation of military force against a foreign nation arising from a personal feud. That's good for starters.

    Replies: @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever..., @Tex, @Lurker, @Mr. Anon

  79. @Prof. Woland
    The Mormons had their chance with Romney twice and lost. They ought to just get out of the way like the Evangelicals appear to be doing and support Trump. They should be warned because if we get a President Clinton, they will be the donkey that the tail is pinned on.

    Replies: @CAL, @Lagertha, @iSteveFan, @Broski, @PistolPete

    As someone who has worked with Mormons, and now see their cucked politics, I truly hate them
    I really do.

  80. @neutral
    He has exactly the same policies as Hillary and he is running against Trump, why don't these neocons just make it official and become Democrats ?

    Replies: @Kyle, @Jefferson, @Parsifal, @SteveRogers42

    The scam needs to be kept going. If all establishment types join one party an actual alternative might come up.

  81. @Stan Adams
    @Boethiuss


    Joking aside, I will say this: I do think that if Trump wins that there’s a very high likelihood that he will be impeached. Maybe high in absolute terms, but at the very least high in comparison to a “typical” President and the partisan capital that he carries.
     
    Well, talk about spreading fear, uncertainty, and doubt! "They'll never let Trump stay in office!"

    What, in your expert opinion, would Trump do to prompt Congress to impeach him?

    Replies: @Boethiuss

    “What, in your expert opinion, would Trump do to prompt Congress to impeach him?”

    Any number of the things he’s done so far in the context of actually being President. Belligerent treatment of Congress or Members of it. Initiation of military force against a foreign nation arising from a personal feud. That’s good for starters.

    • Replies: @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    @Boethiuss

    "Any number of the things he’s done so far in the context of actually being President. Belligerent treatment of Congress or Members of it. Initiation of military force against a foreign nation arising from a personal feud."
    You're off your chops mate, barkin' mad.

    , @Tex
    @Boethiuss


    Initiation of military force against a foreign nation arising from a personal feud.
     
    The logical decomposition of choosing how to vote was pretty good, but this bit about going to war over a personal beef is silly. I don't doubt a hostile Congress could find some reason to impeach a president they wanted out. But there's nothing in Trump's history to suggest he'd go to war over a slight. Not even if the president of Bulgaria said Trump had small hands.

    If Trump is elected and Congress fights him every step of the way, who's really to blame? We need to elect nationalists to Congress, not just the presidency.

    Replies: @Boethiuss

    , @Lurker
    @Boethiuss


    Initiation of military force against a foreign nation arising from a personal feud.
     
    I'm guessing initiation of military force against a foreign nation to distract from sexual activities with voluptuous interns in the Oval Office doesn't count though. For some reason.

    Replies: @Boethiuss

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Boethiuss

    "Initiation of military force against a foreign nation arising from a personal feud."

    I wasn't aware that Donald Trump initiated military force against Ted Cruz or Megyn Kelley. Evidently this offence is one that only exists in your own imagination.

    If anything, I could more easily see Hillary doing such a thing than Trump.

    In any event, George W. Bush got away with it without being subjected to impeachment.

    Replies: @Boethiuss

  82. @Difference maker
    @Anonymous

    1. Trump would never drop out

    2. Now is not the time to be attempting to take votes from Trump. Guess what: people with my SAT scores also go to Harvard medical. Go away shill

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Read his comment again. He’s pro-Trump.

    Jill Stein would take votes from Hillary, not Trump.

    • Replies: @Difference maker
    @Dave Pinsen

    Hint: She says she is pro Trump

  83. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Not going to happen. Mr. Deep State doesn’t seem to be aware that the filing deadline to get on the presidential ballot in 26 states is already past. Another 7 states have their deadline tomorrow on Tuesday. This guy’s too stupid to be in politics if he doesn’t know this already. By the end of this month there are only 5 states left that he can file in, and he has to get enough signatures rounded up and submitted in each of those states, first.

    Of the 11 swing states, all but three have closed their balloting already. Two of the remaining ones, Iowa and New Hampshire, close theirs tomorrow on the 10th. The only one left is Virginia, closing on the 26th. Yeah, this looks like a DC plot. They’re just using this guy to try to flip Virginia to Hillary to help Hillary get elected.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Anon

    All he has to do is win one state, not the election.

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe

  84. @Anonymous
    @CAL

    The NYT just announced that Trump is so beyond the pale they will not provide fair reporting.

    Citation?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    I assume he’s referring to this.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Dave Pinsen

    Ms Das writes "how the heck", how cute. For the sake of the Blue Love God, Anupreeta, stop appropriating our culture.

    Replies: @epebble

    , @Jack D
    @Dave Pinsen

    I loved the pretzel logic in that piece. First we unfairly twist Trump's words and jump to the conclusion that Trump is dangerously unbalanced. Then we say, normally we are fair to mainstream cuckservative candidates (false anyway) but Trump is dangerously unbalanced so we have no choice but to be unfair to him - it's his own fault for being dangerously unbalanced.

    This is the logic of the bully - the other guy MADE ME beat him up. And, like the bully, they are completely lacking in self awareness - they really sincerely perceive reality in this way. This is not like Putin where he is sowing disinformatzia and knows exactly what he is doing. These people really believe their own BS.

    , @Forbes
    @Dave Pinsen

    Norms of objectivity in Journalism? LOL. In the NYT? LOL.

    Replies: @Clyde

  85. @Boethiuss
    @Stan Adams

    "What, in your expert opinion, would Trump do to prompt Congress to impeach him?"

    Any number of the things he's done so far in the context of actually being President. Belligerent treatment of Congress or Members of it. Initiation of military force against a foreign nation arising from a personal feud. That's good for starters.

    Replies: @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever..., @Tex, @Lurker, @Mr. Anon

    “Any number of the things he’s done so far in the context of actually being President. Belligerent treatment of Congress or Members of it. Initiation of military force against a foreign nation arising from a personal feud.”
    You’re off your chops mate, barkin’ mad.

    • Agree: Forbes
  86. Something about this guy reminds me of Jason Russel (the Kony guy circa 2012). A nobody with delusions of grandeur suddenly has all his fame dreams come true. I’m not saying the new candidate will finish up wagging his weenie on Main Street, but he’ll melt down in his own way.

  87. @King George III
    Just how did Mormons come to be so intimately associated with the "deep state"?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack Hanson, @Peter Akuleyev, @MarkinPNW, @SteveRogers42

    Mormons are mostly descended from New England Puritans and share a lot of the same deep cultural values – missionary work, utopian idealism that one can build a “shining city on a hill” here on earth, an underlying sense of moral superiority, a high value on education combined with the idea that moral failings are often due to lack of education/training, not innate, etc. This value system is a natural fit with invite the world – (so we can mold more people in our image) – invade the world ( so we can spread our message of the right way to live to the ignorant). Mormons and Puritan Yankees also have a lot of respect for traditional authority and hierarchy, which makes government work an easy fit.

    • Agree: ic1000
    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Peter Akuleyev

    I thought the early Mormons descended from the Ranters, Diggers and Muggletonians etc. that arose in the aftermath of the English Civil War in the 1650s, the religious radicals that appalled the Puritans so much that they persecuted them and expelled them from New and Olde England.

    http://www.lds-mormon.com/refine.shtml

    A Mormon , ex-CIA Goldman Sachsite, the deep state is really trolling now. Still I guess at least they seemed to have moved forward from the Lee Harvey Oswald approach. Lucky for Trump he is very popular with the police and secret service.

    Replies: @meh

    , @BB753
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Whatever good will and sympathy Mormons had managed to summon in the last decades or so are going to fade fast.

    , @Jack D
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Mormons may be the spiritual descendants of the New England Puritans but they are not (for the most part) their physical descendants. Smith came from upstate New York, not New England and much of the present population of Utah are descendants from European (Scandinavian, English and German) converts.

    SJWism is also a twisted offspring of Puritanism and American evangelical churches are yet another. 400 years (we are coming up on the 400th anniversary - there's going to be a big world's fair and celebration in Plymouth, right?) is a long time and in that interval your family tree can split up in strange and contradictory ways - commissars and counts, popes and atheists, etc.

    Replies: @Uncle Remus

  88. @Black Dog the Pirate
    @Jefferson

    And name any organization with a larger membership in America that promotes morality, traditional marriage and other civilization building values. By their fruits ye shall know them.

    Always find it funny when "Good Christians" rail against the Mormon Church, probably the biggest force against progressivism left in America, because they don't like Joseph Smith.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Je Suis Charlie Martel, @Bill

    Islam also promotes sexual morality, traditional marriage, temperance, and other “civilization building values”. Mormonism works in the US because it is primarily the religion of the descendants of New England settlers. If it ever becomes a religion dominated mostly by Latin Americans and Africans, the non-Christian elements buried in its theology are going to become pretty obvious and obnoxious.

  89. @Dave Pinsen
    @Anonymous

    I assume he's referring to this.
    https://twitter.com/PreetaTweets/status/762753526556725249

    Replies: @Pericles, @Jack D, @Forbes

    Ms Das writes “how the heck”, how cute. For the sake of the Blue Love God, Anupreeta, stop appropriating our culture.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Pericles

    That opinion column was written by Jim Rutenberg, not Ms Das.

    http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/r/jim_rutenberg/index.html?action=click&contentCollection=Media&module=Byline&region=Header&pgtype=article

    Replies: @Pericles

  90. @Stan Adams
    Two hours ago, he tweeted:

    I don't think Donald Trump is good for this country, nor is Hillary Clinton.
     
    So Donald Trump is Enemy #1?

    As I've said before, the blood shed through Hillary's malfeasance and incompetence will be on the hands of the traitors and backstabbers in the GOP.

    Are the rank-and-file Never-Trumpers so delusional that they honestly can't see that all they're doing is helping Hillary? How dumb can they be?

    Replies: @CK

    If maintaining one’s standard of existence requires on to be dumb; expect dumbness.
    A “mistake” that puts wealth in one’s pocket is a “mistake” that will be repeated.

  91. @Dave Pinsen
    Maybe a Trump-supporting Super PAC can help Jill Stein with GOTV efforts in a few tossup states.
    https://twitter.com/politico/status/762392910721589248

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Anonymous, @ic1000

    CSPAN aired a Jill Stein (Green Party) stump speech yesterday. Smart, well-spoken lady. About 10% of the content was hard core environmentalism. The remainder of her platform was advocacy of Cultural Marxism and Bolshevist-style economics.

    It did call to mind that “watermelon” jibe — Green on the outside, Red on the inside. Nothing hidden, though.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @ic1000

    Putting aside the fact that the real Soviet Union was an environmental nightmare, you can't have a true environmentalist regime without Marxism. Sure you can try to create a totalitarian regulatory state where the government tells you what (and whether) you can drive, what you can consume, etc. down to the minutest detail, but fundamentally environmentalists know that capitalists are always going to be trying to maximize profit and not minimize pollution - see the current VW diesel scandal.

    It's like the Olympics - as long as they are giving out medals for the fastest time, longest jump, etc. there is going to be an incentive to do doping and there is going to be an endless cat and mouse game between the testers and the dopers. But if they just gave everyone a medal for showing up, the incentive to cheat would instantly disappear. So only by getting rid of the evil profit motive can production be made truly "green".

    , @ogunsiron
    @ic1000

    The green parties in western europe are all like that too.

  92. @Boethiuss
    @CAL

    "Yep, if they were sure Trump is going to lose, and the MSM and establishment left and right has been announcing that from day one, they would just sit back and watch Hillary slaughter him. The fact that they aren’t is telling. The NYT just announced that Trump is so beyond the pale they will not provide fair reporting. The establishment is pulling out all of the stop."

    Yeah but then they'd be supporting Hillary, which isn't what they want.

    Look, there's this idea from a lot of Trump supporters regarding his temperament, character and so on. They want to think of it like taking a bag of potato chips to a slightly dense checkout clerk at the 7-11.

    "So the GOP loses 3 or 4 points relative to Hillary because our nominee is Donald Trump. Fine let's just pay it and move on.

    With the Demographics of America, the popularity of Trump's position on immigration, and his ability to attract discouraged voters and bring them to the polls, we've got a decent shot anyway. So let's just take our chances."

    It's important to emphasize that's exactly what's _not_ going to happen. It's not something where you can hand Hillary a couple of cheap points and move on. It actually changes the underlying reality of the race, in terms of who represents "us" and who are "them". Too many Trump fans think the whole thing are just fabricated controversies for the sake of partisan advantage. They're not, and we're about to learn that to our detriment.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon, @jeremiahjohnbalaya, @Anonymous Nephew, @Jack D

    Boethiuss is easily the best and most sophisticated anti-Trump troll to arrive here in this election cycle.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @Anonymous Nephew

    You're confusing sophisticated with "sophist who babbles".

    Unfortunately, like Tiny Duck and every black cuck fetish poster, Steve has a real hard on for them and can't approve them fast enough. Remember that when he comes rattling his tin cup.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jim Don Bob

  93. @Anon
    Not going to happen. Mr. Deep State doesn't seem to be aware that the filing deadline to get on the presidential ballot in 26 states is already past. Another 7 states have their deadline tomorrow on Tuesday. This guy's too stupid to be in politics if he doesn't know this already. By the end of this month there are only 5 states left that he can file in, and he has to get enough signatures rounded up and submitted in each of those states, first.

    Of the 11 swing states, all but three have closed their balloting already. Two of the remaining ones, Iowa and New Hampshire, close theirs tomorrow on the 10th. The only one left is Virginia, closing on the 26th. Yeah, this looks like a DC plot. They're just using this guy to try to flip Virginia to Hillary to help Hillary get elected.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    All he has to do is win one state, not the election.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @ScarletNumber


    All he has to do is win one state, not the election.
     
    He's not going to win any states. That's Cloud Cuckoo Land stuff. He might be able to make it into the low double digits in Utah, but I doubt it. If he made it onto the ballot in all 50 states, he'd be very lucky to pick up three percent of the total popular vote. And he probably won't be on the ballot in most states.

    Replies: @Mark F.

  94. @Stan Adams
    @Dave Pinsen

    That is one scary-looking neck.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  95. @Broski
    @Prof. Woland

    Mormons, at least among the elites, are largely immigration traitors. Much like the Catholics, the Mormon church foresees most of its future among nonwhites.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    Because even the top leadership doesn’t buy the fantasiess dreamed up by a charismatic sect leader in rural New York. So they peddle the snake oil to dim Aztec peasants and try to dial the more outrageous stuff back to the level of a Protestant book club. First World wallets, Third World bodies.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @The Anti-Gnostic


    Because even the top leadership doesn’t buy the fantasiess dreamed up by a charismatic sect leader in rural New York.
     
    Interesting thought. Last year, I sat across the table from the de facto (i.e., not-in-prison) leader of FLDS for a couple hours, and I got the impression that he believed.

    Replies: @Former Darfur, @The Anti-Gnostic

  96. Are Mormons really going to go for this obvious plant? I know they own Utah. Does Romney control the vote counters? Is this a threat beyond making my blood pressure rise dangerously ?

  97. @Peter Akuleyev
    @King George III

    Mormons are mostly descended from New England Puritans and share a lot of the same deep cultural values - missionary work, utopian idealism that one can build a "shining city on a hill" here on earth, an underlying sense of moral superiority, a high value on education combined with the idea that moral failings are often due to lack of education/training, not innate, etc. This value system is a natural fit with invite the world - (so we can mold more people in our image) - invade the world ( so we can spread our message of the right way to live to the ignorant). Mormons and Puritan Yankees also have a lot of respect for traditional authority and hierarchy, which makes government work an easy fit.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @BB753, @Jack D

    I thought the early Mormons descended from the Ranters, Diggers and Muggletonians etc. that arose in the aftermath of the English Civil War in the 1650s, the religious radicals that appalled the Puritans so much that they persecuted them and expelled them from New and Olde England.

    http://www.lds-mormon.com/refine.shtml

    A Mormon , ex-CIA Goldman Sachsite, the deep state is really trolling now. Still I guess at least they seemed to have moved forward from the Lee Harvey Oswald approach. Lucky for Trump he is very popular with the police and secret service.

    • Replies: @meh
    @LondonBob

    I thought the early Mormons descended from the Ranters, Diggers and Muggletonians etc. that arose in the aftermath of the English Civil War in the 1650s, the religious radicals that appalled the Puritans so much that they persecuted them and expelled them from New and Olde England.

    No, you're thinking of the Quakers.

  98. @Broski
    Based on his '01 college grad year he's around 37. So, basically, a huge part of the Republican establishment, including the powers that got their guy nominated in 2012, is now overtly attempting to throw the election to the Democrat.

    Replies: @The Man From K Street, @Je Suis Charlie Martel

    Based on his ’01 college grad year he’s around 37.

    He’s 40. With any observant Mormon, you usually have to add 2-3 years to their graduation age to account for their mission, whether it was overseas or domestic. The same factor amounts to a de facto redshirting that keeps BYU more competitive in college football than it ordinarily would have any right to be.

  99. Jim Geraghty at NRO writes, “The bad, and obvious news for McMullin is that he’s missed the deadline for appearing on the ballot in Alaska, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Vermont, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin. The deadline for submitting petitions in Colorado, Connecticut, Hawaii, New Hampshire, Ohio and Washington D.C. is tomorrow. He has only a few days to collect the needed signatures in a slew of other states. So in short, McMullin is basically running a write-in candidacy for president.”

    • Replies: @Bill
    @Jim Don Bob

    How are David French's petition drives coming?

  100. @Boethiuss
    @Stan Adams

    "What, in your expert opinion, would Trump do to prompt Congress to impeach him?"

    Any number of the things he's done so far in the context of actually being President. Belligerent treatment of Congress or Members of it. Initiation of military force against a foreign nation arising from a personal feud. That's good for starters.

    Replies: @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever..., @Tex, @Lurker, @Mr. Anon

    Initiation of military force against a foreign nation arising from a personal feud.

    The logical decomposition of choosing how to vote was pretty good, but this bit about going to war over a personal beef is silly. I don’t doubt a hostile Congress could find some reason to impeach a president they wanted out. But there’s nothing in Trump’s history to suggest he’d go to war over a slight. Not even if the president of Bulgaria said Trump had small hands.

    If Trump is elected and Congress fights him every step of the way, who’s really to blame? We need to elect nationalists to Congress, not just the presidency.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
    @Tex

    "We need to elect nationalists to Congress, not just the presidency."

    That's a great idea, unfortunately it doesn't work in the context of Donald Trump. If there were already some credible political organization for populist nationalism, Donald Trump would never be associated with it. But there wasn't before Trump arrived, therefore he gets to be the head of the parade by default. And Donald Trump is not an organizer a la Reagan, Buckley or Goldwater so there won't be any such organization until Trump is out of the scene which requires him losing among other things.

  101. @Barnard
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Paul LePage won reelection in 2014 making the same kind of comments. As long as he sticks to facts, it is one of the best moves Trump could make.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    LePage won reelection because, unlike what’s happened in New Hampshire, the folks Up the County still outnumber the wealthy Massholes who’ve bought up the Maine coast south of Freeport.

    Portland has jumped the shark. It’s still the best eating and drinking town in New England, but it has been discovered by the Mort & Mindy crowd. It now has a steakhouse with a $64 entree.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Brutusale


    Portland has jumped the shark. It’s still the best eating and drinking town in New England, but it has been discovered by the Mort & Mindy crowd. It now has a steakhouse with a $64 entree.
     
    In 1983, the CCCC was the last venue to host a Grateful Dead show for which ticket prices were under $10 ($9.50 before Ticketron charges). To think that a girl in our dorm lent us her car to drive up to Portland for a Dead show!

    Replies: @Brutusale

  102. @Lagertha
    @JohnnyWalker123

    that's been true for decades here, in N.E.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Uh, N.E. native here, and before 2000, you’d be hard-pressed to find a Somali here.

    Funny thing, the sheet-wearing Somalis were visible around Greater Portland the past few years, but when I was up there 2 weeks ago we didn’t see a one.

  103. @Dave Pinsen
    @Anonymous

    I assume he's referring to this.
    https://twitter.com/PreetaTweets/status/762753526556725249

    Replies: @Pericles, @Jack D, @Forbes

    I loved the pretzel logic in that piece. First we unfairly twist Trump’s words and jump to the conclusion that Trump is dangerously unbalanced. Then we say, normally we are fair to mainstream cuckservative candidates (false anyway) but Trump is dangerously unbalanced so we have no choice but to be unfair to him – it’s his own fault for being dangerously unbalanced.

    This is the logic of the bully – the other guy MADE ME beat him up. And, like the bully, they are completely lacking in self awareness – they really sincerely perceive reality in this way. This is not like Putin where he is sowing disinformatzia and knows exactly what he is doing. These people really believe their own BS.

    • Agree: Divine Right
  104. @Jefferson
    @Lagertha

    "exactly. Utah has already been getting, and will continue to receive massive amounts of M.E. refugees. It will be interesting to see when Mormons feel a critical mass has appeared with Muslims in their “ancient” lands"

    I hope Mormons do lose their majority religious status in Utah. Mormonism was started by a scam artist named Joseph Smith. Not surprising that followers of a religion started by a crooked scam artist would prefer to see Crooked Hillary in The White House over Donald Trump.

    Mormonism is not a branch of Christianity. It's a complete seperate religion from Christianity just like Islam, Judaism, Sikhism, Scientology, Santeria, Voodoo, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Anonymous, @FX Enderby, @Black Dog the Pirate, @Avenge Harambe, @Jack D, @Crawfurdmuir

    The correct term for Mormonism would be cult.

  105. @Jefferson
    @Lagertha

    "exactly. Utah has already been getting, and will continue to receive massive amounts of M.E. refugees. It will be interesting to see when Mormons feel a critical mass has appeared with Muslims in their “ancient” lands"

    I hope Mormons do lose their majority religious status in Utah. Mormonism was started by a scam artist named Joseph Smith. Not surprising that followers of a religion started by a crooked scam artist would prefer to see Crooked Hillary in The White House over Donald Trump.

    Mormonism is not a branch of Christianity. It's a complete seperate religion from Christianity just like Islam, Judaism, Sikhism, Scientology, Santeria, Voodoo, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Anonymous, @FX Enderby, @Black Dog the Pirate, @Avenge Harambe, @Jack D, @Crawfurdmuir

    Mormonism is not a branch of Christianity.

    Then why is it called “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints”?

    I’d say that in their own terms they are Christian – they accept the divinity of Jesus. Of course in terms of other churches they are guilty of heresy, naturally, but you could say that about every Protestant sect.

    Theologically they are “restorationists” – they claim to be “restoring” the church to its early structure, as it was shortly after the death of Jesus. Most American evangelical churches from the earliest days (the Puritans) to the present claim to be restorationist although “restoration” is sort of a blank slate onto which you can project your desires.

    Of course, LDS goes beyond most other restorationist sects in that they have their own scripture. In this sense, they resemble Islam in that they are a derivative religion. They took an existing religion as a starting point and added to it. Mohammed and Joseph Smith are both termed “Prophets” – not divine figures but men who had a direct hotline to the Biblical God and His angels and were therefore qualified to add to the existing canon of holy books. As I have said before, the Book of Mormon is the foremost work of Biblical fan fiction.

    But it is certainly not a totally new and different religion like say Scientology, which claims no connection to the religions that came before it.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Jack D

    There was a lot of ecumenical work on the part of both Catholics and Protestants in the latter half of the 20th century. John Paul II accepted that some Protestants are in "imperfect union" with the Church, and many Protestants now readily accept that whether or not a Catholic is "saved" is independant of adherence to doctrine, accept for a small core.

    Mormons were not part of this big conversation as they are easily recognized as being outside a tradition that binds Catholics and Protestants together. Mormons are NOT Christians unless they reject central doctrines of Mormonism.

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Jack D


    Mohammed and Joseph Smith are both termed “Prophets” – not divine figures but men who had a direct hotline to the Biblical God and His angels and were therefore qualified to add to the existing canon of holy books.
     
    Indeed, and both redefined who Jesus is in ways that changed core doctrines of Orthodox Christianity, which is why neither is Christian.
    , @Jack Hanson
    @Jack D

    Because they don't believe in the Nicene Creed, which is pretty much the bar to "Christian or not".

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @Jack D


    But it is certainly not a totally new and different religion like say Scientology, which claims no connection to the religions that came before it.
     
    A friend of mine used to like to say that Mormonism was Steampunk Scientology.
    , @5371
    @Jack D

    The Taiping cult also identified its deities with persons of the Trinity. Few would claim it was really Christian, though.

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Jack D

    Jefferson: "The Southern Poverty Law Center has nothing to do with poor people; it attacks the core to further cultural Marxism." Jack D: "Then why is it called 'The Southern Poverty Law Center'? It fights for poor people on its own terms."

  106. @David Davenport
    Another reason why the LDS is trending Left: they'd like to legalize polygamy, same as the Muslims.

    Replies: @Jack D

    There are fringe Mormon spinoff sects that still practice polygamy, but the mainstream Church renounced it long ago and is not interested in bringing it back. At first the renunciation was due to external pressure and in their heart of hearts they still wanted it, but by now that is all burned out. Mormons have achieved a certain level of mainstream respectability and polygamy would destroy that. People will put up with Mitt Romney wearing funny underwear but the thought of two (or more) First Ladies would be disqualifying.

  107. @Dave Pinsen
    @Difference maker

    Read his comment again. He's pro-Trump.

    Jill Stein would take votes from Hillary, not Trump.

    Replies: @Difference maker

    Hint: She says she is pro Trump

  108. @Peter Akuleyev
    @King George III

    Mormons are mostly descended from New England Puritans and share a lot of the same deep cultural values - missionary work, utopian idealism that one can build a "shining city on a hill" here on earth, an underlying sense of moral superiority, a high value on education combined with the idea that moral failings are often due to lack of education/training, not innate, etc. This value system is a natural fit with invite the world - (so we can mold more people in our image) - invade the world ( so we can spread our message of the right way to live to the ignorant). Mormons and Puritan Yankees also have a lot of respect for traditional authority and hierarchy, which makes government work an easy fit.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @BB753, @Jack D

    Whatever good will and sympathy Mormons had managed to summon in the last decades or so are going to fade fast.

  109. @Peter Akuleyev
    @King George III

    Mormons are mostly descended from New England Puritans and share a lot of the same deep cultural values - missionary work, utopian idealism that one can build a "shining city on a hill" here on earth, an underlying sense of moral superiority, a high value on education combined with the idea that moral failings are often due to lack of education/training, not innate, etc. This value system is a natural fit with invite the world - (so we can mold more people in our image) - invade the world ( so we can spread our message of the right way to live to the ignorant). Mormons and Puritan Yankees also have a lot of respect for traditional authority and hierarchy, which makes government work an easy fit.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @BB753, @Jack D

    Mormons may be the spiritual descendants of the New England Puritans but they are not (for the most part) their physical descendants. Smith came from upstate New York, not New England and much of the present population of Utah are descendants from European (Scandinavian, English and German) converts.

    SJWism is also a twisted offspring of Puritanism and American evangelical churches are yet another. 400 years (we are coming up on the 400th anniversary – there’s going to be a big world’s fair and celebration in Plymouth, right?) is a long time and in that interval your family tree can split up in strange and contradictory ways – commissars and counts, popes and atheists, etc.

    • Replies: @Uncle Remus
    @Jack D

    Upstate New York, especially the Burnt-Over District where Joseph Smith found the Tablets, was settled largely by New Englanders.

  110. @ic1000
    @Dave Pinsen

    CSPAN aired a Jill Stein (Green Party) stump speech yesterday. Smart, well-spoken lady. About 10% of the content was hard core environmentalism. The remainder of her platform was advocacy of Cultural Marxism and Bolshevist-style economics.

    It did call to mind that "watermelon" jibe -- Green on the outside, Red on the inside. Nothing hidden, though.

    Replies: @Jack D, @ogunsiron

    Putting aside the fact that the real Soviet Union was an environmental nightmare, you can’t have a true environmentalist regime without Marxism. Sure you can try to create a totalitarian regulatory state where the government tells you what (and whether) you can drive, what you can consume, etc. down to the minutest detail, but fundamentally environmentalists know that capitalists are always going to be trying to maximize profit and not minimize pollution – see the current VW diesel scandal.

    It’s like the Olympics – as long as they are giving out medals for the fastest time, longest jump, etc. there is going to be an incentive to do doping and there is going to be an endless cat and mouse game between the testers and the dopers. But if they just gave everyone a medal for showing up, the incentive to cheat would instantly disappear. So only by getting rid of the evil profit motive can production be made truly “green”.

  111. @Boethiuss
    @CAL

    "Yep, if they were sure Trump is going to lose, and the MSM and establishment left and right has been announcing that from day one, they would just sit back and watch Hillary slaughter him. The fact that they aren’t is telling. The NYT just announced that Trump is so beyond the pale they will not provide fair reporting. The establishment is pulling out all of the stop."

    Yeah but then they'd be supporting Hillary, which isn't what they want.

    Look, there's this idea from a lot of Trump supporters regarding his temperament, character and so on. They want to think of it like taking a bag of potato chips to a slightly dense checkout clerk at the 7-11.

    "So the GOP loses 3 or 4 points relative to Hillary because our nominee is Donald Trump. Fine let's just pay it and move on.

    With the Demographics of America, the popularity of Trump's position on immigration, and his ability to attract discouraged voters and bring them to the polls, we've got a decent shot anyway. So let's just take our chances."

    It's important to emphasize that's exactly what's _not_ going to happen. It's not something where you can hand Hillary a couple of cheap points and move on. It actually changes the underlying reality of the race, in terms of who represents "us" and who are "them". Too many Trump fans think the whole thing are just fabricated controversies for the sake of partisan advantage. They're not, and we're about to learn that to our detriment.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon, @jeremiahjohnbalaya, @Anonymous Nephew, @Jack D

    Too many Trump fans think the whole thing are just fabricated controversies for the sake of partisan advantage.

    You’re right – whether we should interpret Trump’s remarks about crying babies or the Russians hacking into Hillary’s unsecure server as the jokes that he clearly intended them to be or as signs of deep mental instability is an important question (certainly more important than discussing terrorism or falling standards of living) that spontaneously sprang to the minds of most Americans and one that is in no way tainted by partisanship or slanted coverage. Nothing to see here folks, move along.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Jack D

    >whether we should interpret Trump’s remarks about crying babies or the Russians hacking into Hillary’s unsecure server as the jokes that he clearly intended them to be or as signs of deep mental instability is an important question...

    In the case of Clinton's missing emails, Trump invited the Russians to hack into a server that had been sitting in pieces (unplugged) in an FBI evidence room. Thus, the actual scandal is that Trump was telegraphing that Putin should order his minions to recover the emails by inventing a time machine! In the wrong hands, this immensely powerful weapon would do untold damage to American interests.

    So there's nothing "funny" about this "joke". Trump is a latter-day Manchurian Candidate. Only Hillary! can save us.

  112. @ic1000
    @Dave Pinsen

    CSPAN aired a Jill Stein (Green Party) stump speech yesterday. Smart, well-spoken lady. About 10% of the content was hard core environmentalism. The remainder of her platform was advocacy of Cultural Marxism and Bolshevist-style economics.

    It did call to mind that "watermelon" jibe -- Green on the outside, Red on the inside. Nothing hidden, though.

    Replies: @Jack D, @ogunsiron

    The green parties in western europe are all like that too.

  113. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    One state at a time. Next they find someone who can win South Dakota, and then Oklahoma …

    Oh wait.

  114. @Jack D
    @Jefferson


    Mormonism is not a branch of Christianity.
     
    Then why is it called "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints"?

    I'd say that in their own terms they are Christian - they accept the divinity of Jesus. Of course in terms of other churches they are guilty of heresy, naturally, but you could say that about every Protestant sect.

    Theologically they are "restorationists" - they claim to be "restoring" the church to its early structure, as it was shortly after the death of Jesus. Most American evangelical churches from the earliest days (the Puritans) to the present claim to be restorationist although "restoration" is sort of a blank slate onto which you can project your desires.

    Of course, LDS goes beyond most other restorationist sects in that they have their own scripture. In this sense, they resemble Islam in that they are a derivative religion. They took an existing religion as a starting point and added to it. Mohammed and Joseph Smith are both termed "Prophets" - not divine figures but men who had a direct hotline to the Biblical God and His angels and were therefore qualified to add to the existing canon of holy books. As I have said before, the Book of Mormon is the foremost work of Biblical fan fiction.

    But it is certainly not a totally new and different religion like say Scientology, which claims no connection to the religions that came before it.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Chrisnonymous, @Jack Hanson, @Kevin O'Keeffe, @5371, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    There was a lot of ecumenical work on the part of both Catholics and Protestants in the latter half of the 20th century. John Paul II accepted that some Protestants are in “imperfect union” with the Church, and many Protestants now readily accept that whether or not a Catholic is “saved” is independant of adherence to doctrine, accept for a small core.

    Mormons were not part of this big conversation as they are easily recognized as being outside a tradition that binds Catholics and Protestants together. Mormons are NOT Christians unless they reject central doctrines of Mormonism.

  115. @JohnnyWalker123
    Trump says that Somalian immigrants are bringing crime into Maine.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/290633-gop-senator-rips-trumps-unhelpful-comments-about-somalis

    Replies: @Barnard, @Lagertha, @Broski, @Forbes

    Unhelpful comments = euphemism for inconvenient facts.

  116. @Jack D
    @Jefferson


    Mormonism is not a branch of Christianity.
     
    Then why is it called "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints"?

    I'd say that in their own terms they are Christian - they accept the divinity of Jesus. Of course in terms of other churches they are guilty of heresy, naturally, but you could say that about every Protestant sect.

    Theologically they are "restorationists" - they claim to be "restoring" the church to its early structure, as it was shortly after the death of Jesus. Most American evangelical churches from the earliest days (the Puritans) to the present claim to be restorationist although "restoration" is sort of a blank slate onto which you can project your desires.

    Of course, LDS goes beyond most other restorationist sects in that they have their own scripture. In this sense, they resemble Islam in that they are a derivative religion. They took an existing religion as a starting point and added to it. Mohammed and Joseph Smith are both termed "Prophets" - not divine figures but men who had a direct hotline to the Biblical God and His angels and were therefore qualified to add to the existing canon of holy books. As I have said before, the Book of Mormon is the foremost work of Biblical fan fiction.

    But it is certainly not a totally new and different religion like say Scientology, which claims no connection to the religions that came before it.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Chrisnonymous, @Jack Hanson, @Kevin O'Keeffe, @5371, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Mohammed and Joseph Smith are both termed “Prophets” – not divine figures but men who had a direct hotline to the Biblical God and His angels and were therefore qualified to add to the existing canon of holy books.

    Indeed, and both redefined who Jesus is in ways that changed core doctrines of Orthodox Christianity, which is why neither is Christian.

  117. @Anonymous
    OT: Is anyone else amazed at the openly Russophobic coverage of the ROI Olympics? Juxtaposed with the fawning adoration of refugees?

    Replies: @Divine Right, @Bill Jones, @guest

    I was quite taken aback by the pride with which the NBC Spokes-hairs noted that the US is the only country which is universally booed and jeered at theses events everywhere in the world.

  118. @Jack Hanson
    @King George III

    Mormons are often bilingual, publicly live 'clean' lives, and are very clannish. It makes it easy for them to stuff national security agencies with their ilk.

    Something like a third of the FBI is Mormon, for example.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Moderate number of Mormons at State (15-20 years ago) but TONS at the Agency. And yes, they all seemed to know one another.

  119. @Jack D
    @Boethiuss


    Too many Trump fans think the whole thing are just fabricated controversies for the sake of partisan advantage.
     
    You're right - whether we should interpret Trump's remarks about crying babies or the Russians hacking into Hillary's unsecure server as the jokes that he clearly intended them to be or as signs of deep mental instability is an important question (certainly more important than discussing terrorism or falling standards of living) that spontaneously sprang to the minds of most Americans and one that is in no way tainted by partisanship or slanted coverage. Nothing to see here folks, move along.

    Replies: @ic1000

    >whether we should interpret Trump’s remarks about crying babies or the Russians hacking into Hillary’s unsecure server as the jokes that he clearly intended them to be or as signs of deep mental instability is an important question…

    In the case of Clinton’s missing emails, Trump invited the Russians to hack into a server that had been sitting in pieces (unplugged) in an FBI evidence room. Thus, the actual scandal is that Trump was telegraphing that Putin should order his minions to recover the emails by inventing a time machine! In the wrong hands, this immensely powerful weapon would do untold damage to American interests.

    So there’s nothing “funny” about this “joke”. Trump is a latter-day Manchurian Candidate. Only Hillary! can save us.

  120. @Boethiuss
    @Stan Adams

    No I'm not a Mormon. To be honest I'm not exactly sure who "we" is supposed to be in that context, the members of the CFR/Trilateral Commission presumably.

    Joking aside, I will say this: I do think that if Trump wins that there's a very high likelihood that he will be impeached. Maybe high in absolute terms, but at the very least high in comparison to a "typical" President and the partisan capital that he carries.

    I for one actually think that's a good thing (in fact maybe one of the very best reasons to vote for Trump). I don't expect the True Believers to agree with that but it should color their expectations of what's likely to happen if Trump does win.

    In any event, the idea that Trump partisans are going to blame Mormons if somehow Utah would have put him over, well it's entertaining at the very least.

    Replies: @Difference maker, @Stan Adams, @Forbes

    Stop already! My eyes are tearing-up from peeling back the layers of onion in your convoluted conspiracy scenario.

    The CFR/Trilateral Commission will impeach Trump when/if the Mormons, by way of the JV member of the Deep State/Goldman Sachs, don’t throw the election to Hillary. And that’s a good thing, i.e. a reason to vote for Trump.

    You’re right. Entertaining at the very least.

  121. Gee, I wonder what nefarious person might have created this page?

    https://www.facebook.com/CuckservativesForEvanMcMullin

  122. @Dave Pinsen
    @Anonymous

    I assume he's referring to this.
    https://twitter.com/PreetaTweets/status/762753526556725249

    Replies: @Pericles, @Jack D, @Forbes

    Norms of objectivity in Journalism? LOL. In the NYT? LOL.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Forbes

    Anupreeta Das✔ ...kind of cute but I do not accept any prog style lecturing from Miss India. I could care less if she was born here after her parents got off the banana boat

    Replies: @epebble

  123. We need an MRI of that skull. What did the CIA install in that cone head of his?

  124. @Anonymous Nephew
    @Boethiuss

    Boethiuss is easily the best and most sophisticated anti-Trump troll to arrive here in this election cycle.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    You’re confusing sophisticated with “sophist who babbles”.

    Unfortunately, like Tiny Duck and every black cuck fetish poster, Steve has a real hard on for them and can’t approve them fast enough. Remember that when he comes rattling his tin cup.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Jack Hanson

    I think you are buying into the modern liberal definition of "conversation". I'm afraid that Steve still believes in the old fashion notion of a free market for ideas, where the lousy once sink on their own weight. It's quaint, I know.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Jack Hanson

    Disagree completely. I have been reading Steve for about a decade now and, besides his citizenist idea, I have no idea what he thinks. He approves a lot more of "the Joos did it" and other wacky wacky stuff than I would.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  125. @Jack D
    @Jefferson


    Mormonism is not a branch of Christianity.
     
    Then why is it called "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints"?

    I'd say that in their own terms they are Christian - they accept the divinity of Jesus. Of course in terms of other churches they are guilty of heresy, naturally, but you could say that about every Protestant sect.

    Theologically they are "restorationists" - they claim to be "restoring" the church to its early structure, as it was shortly after the death of Jesus. Most American evangelical churches from the earliest days (the Puritans) to the present claim to be restorationist although "restoration" is sort of a blank slate onto which you can project your desires.

    Of course, LDS goes beyond most other restorationist sects in that they have their own scripture. In this sense, they resemble Islam in that they are a derivative religion. They took an existing religion as a starting point and added to it. Mohammed and Joseph Smith are both termed "Prophets" - not divine figures but men who had a direct hotline to the Biblical God and His angels and were therefore qualified to add to the existing canon of holy books. As I have said before, the Book of Mormon is the foremost work of Biblical fan fiction.

    But it is certainly not a totally new and different religion like say Scientology, which claims no connection to the religions that came before it.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Chrisnonymous, @Jack Hanson, @Kevin O'Keeffe, @5371, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Because they don’t believe in the Nicene Creed, which is pretty much the bar to “Christian or not”.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Jack Hanson

    The Mormons consider themselves restorationist - i.e. hearkening back to the earliest days of the Church. The Nicene Creed was a 4th century pronouncement and is therefore from a period AFTER the Christianity that they claim to be practicing. If you care about this kind of stuff (and honestly I don't - I have no dog in this fight) here is the Mormon position:

    http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_the_nature_of_God/Trinity/Nicene_creed

    The Nicene creed itself was an effort to suppress the Arian heresy. About 5 minutes after a religion is formed, the 1st heretic appears - that's the nature of religion.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Jack Hanson

  126. The thing about Puritans and Mormons is that their leaders and officials are mostly competent and non-corrupt. Like Germans post 1870. That means a great deal of trust goes into them, because for a long time their governmental structure delivered. No one living in say Italy or Spain would have trusted leaders of any stripe since incompetence and corruption together was baked into the cake for generations.

    As for this guy, three thoughts occurred. First, he looks like a Conehead consuming mass quantities. That matters — the guy is a joke unlikely to get any votes.

    Second, the GOP Establishment does not fear Trump. They are *PREDICTING* a victory for Hillary (who they have substantially little differences with) since any Trump victory would lead inevitably to massive retaliation by Trump: purging the party, various NGO-istans, the bureaucracy, and other places where the GOPe lives. No one in the Party Hierarchy fears Trump hence the 50 National Security Advisers endorsing Hillary! Tom Ridge does not fear a President Trump killing his earning/speaking/lobbying potential.

    Third, we are seeing a realignment. The GOPe is joining the Democratic Party of the CFR, Goldman Sachs, BLTBBQ Sauce/BLM team up of rich, corrupt, connected insiders married with anti-White identity politics. Tom Ridge has far more in common with Sid Blumenthal and Terry MacAuliffe than a White union worker or some White guy doing gigs on Task Rabbit. They are almost certainly going to win this election and get President Dowager Empress Hillary! to flood the US with about 100 million Muslims, Africans, and Central Americans.

    But the average White guy is going to be essentially a serf expected to earn and support not only the connected insiders but the new massive non-White welfare dependent voting blocs. That is a recipe for strife since the White people are not going to simply disappear once the voting is done. And there are many things that can play out in an unstable world. Suppose China does go to War with Japan just to maintain internal stability as its economy starts to collapse and unemployment and domestic social unrest spirals?

    I am less than impressed with Dowager Empress Hillary, her Conehead acolyte, and non-entities like Tom Ridge and Michael Chertoff, in terms of ability, will, and skill in dealing with dangerous crises.

  127. @JohnnyWalker123
    By the way, even if he siphons a small percentage of the vote off in Utah, he could throw the state to Hillary. That'd create difficulty in Trump's journey to an electoral-college majority.

    Replies: @Divine Right, @Mark F.

    Also, Gary Johnson is poised to do well in Utah. But Trump is already in serious trouble, in case you haven’t been following the polls.

  128. @ScarletNumber
    @Anon

    All he has to do is win one state, not the election.

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe

    All he has to do is win one state, not the election.

    He’s not going to win any states. That’s Cloud Cuckoo Land stuff. He might be able to make it into the low double digits in Utah, but I doubt it. If he made it onto the ballot in all 50 states, he’d be very lucky to pick up three percent of the total popular vote. And he probably won’t be on the ballot in most states.

    • Replies: @Mark F.
    @Kevin O'Keeffe

    Agreed. But I think Gary Johnson could win a state or two. Not likely, but not impossible either.

    Replies: @EdwardM

  129. @Jack D
    @Jefferson


    Mormonism is not a branch of Christianity.
     
    Then why is it called "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints"?

    I'd say that in their own terms they are Christian - they accept the divinity of Jesus. Of course in terms of other churches they are guilty of heresy, naturally, but you could say that about every Protestant sect.

    Theologically they are "restorationists" - they claim to be "restoring" the church to its early structure, as it was shortly after the death of Jesus. Most American evangelical churches from the earliest days (the Puritans) to the present claim to be restorationist although "restoration" is sort of a blank slate onto which you can project your desires.

    Of course, LDS goes beyond most other restorationist sects in that they have their own scripture. In this sense, they resemble Islam in that they are a derivative religion. They took an existing religion as a starting point and added to it. Mohammed and Joseph Smith are both termed "Prophets" - not divine figures but men who had a direct hotline to the Biblical God and His angels and were therefore qualified to add to the existing canon of holy books. As I have said before, the Book of Mormon is the foremost work of Biblical fan fiction.

    But it is certainly not a totally new and different religion like say Scientology, which claims no connection to the religions that came before it.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Chrisnonymous, @Jack Hanson, @Kevin O'Keeffe, @5371, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    But it is certainly not a totally new and different religion like say Scientology, which claims no connection to the religions that came before it.

    A friend of mine used to like to say that Mormonism was Steampunk Scientology.

  130. @Broski
    Based on his '01 college grad year he's around 37. So, basically, a huge part of the Republican establishment, including the powers that got their guy nominated in 2012, is now overtly attempting to throw the election to the Democrat.

    Replies: @The Man From K Street, @Je Suis Charlie Martel

    CIA, Goldman Sachs, Refugee Resettlement, and Republican Foreign Policy…
    Show me four areas of the American Establishment that have exhibited more wisdom, foresight and flawless execution this century…

    And Judith Miller’s NYT crowing that 50 GOP hacks repudiated Trump…
    Sorry, the repudiators have already been repudiated

    • Agree: Forbes
  131. @Black Dog the Pirate
    @Jefferson

    And name any organization with a larger membership in America that promotes morality, traditional marriage and other civilization building values. By their fruits ye shall know them.

    Always find it funny when "Good Christians" rail against the Mormon Church, probably the biggest force against progressivism left in America, because they don't like Joseph Smith.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Je Suis Charlie Martel, @Bill

    Mormons are SO American that they basically took bourgeois, Gilded Age America and made it a religion.
    Have you seen the Mormon Temple in DC? The interior is basically a bunch of Gilded Age living rooms

  132. @Kyle
    @neutral

    The neocons don't like lgbtq, the dems support lgbtq... or some gay thing like that, I don't know.

    Replies: @Divine Right, @Bill

    The neocons don’t like lgbtq

    So, like, the NRO staff are self-hating? Lindsay Graham is self-hating? Wide-stance Craig, self-hating? Ken Mehlman? Etc?

    The neocons pretend, poorly, to be on the SoCon’s side. But, you know, they’re kind of bug-chasing “dispositional conservatives” like Andrew Sullivan.

  133. @Black Dog the Pirate
    @Jefferson

    And name any organization with a larger membership in America that promotes morality, traditional marriage and other civilization building values. By their fruits ye shall know them.

    Always find it funny when "Good Christians" rail against the Mormon Church, probably the biggest force against progressivism left in America, because they don't like Joseph Smith.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Je Suis Charlie Martel, @Bill

    They don’t promote morality or traditional marriage. They accept both abortion and divorce. Rather, the whole religion is centered around a John Dewey-esque drive to produce highly productive cogs for use in bourgeois society. Whatever serves that end, they are for.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Bill

    The beauty of Mormonism is that it's wonderfully self selecting.
    As an intro to the main act they have such a clownish story of the revelation to Smith that no sane person could possibly believe it, the inclusion of an Angel called, ffs Moroni was genius.

    Anybody who lasts past the intro has established himself as someone for whom truth, or even plausibility is of no consequence and the structural social secular side of the church is paramount.

    Ideal authoritarian seeking canon (sic) fodder.

    The other great thing they do is the Mission idea.

    They take their young men at the time they are most likely to be rebellious and footloose and send them to some nasty hellhole with just another Mormon for support.
    What finer way to cement allegiance than to provide a vivid contrast to the safety, stability and prosperity back home?

    Replies: @fnn, @Broski

  134. @Anonymous
    OT: Is anyone else amazed at the openly Russophobic coverage of the ROI Olympics? Juxtaposed with the fawning adoration of refugees?

    Replies: @Divine Right, @Bill Jones, @guest

    No. If anything, I was expecting it to be worse. But we’re inbetween World War T and whatever comes next, so there’s a lack of crusading zeal in the MSM. The Ukrainian crisis is old news, and repeated attempts to stick Putin in the middle of Electoral Controversy have fizzled.

    But make no mistake, Russia is the eternal enemy of the moment, and it will be humiliated at every opportunity.

  135. @King George III
    Just how did Mormons come to be so intimately associated with the "deep state"?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack Hanson, @Peter Akuleyev, @MarkinPNW, @SteveRogers42

    And yet the actual Book of Mormon has very stern warnings against the Deep State scattered throughout, and especially in Ether 8. It also describes the downfall of civilizations as being caused – at least sometimes – by aggressive invasions to “fight terrorism” instead of relying only on legitimate self-defense.

    How come so many Mormons support the things their book warns against? How come many “Christians” reject the teachings of the “Prince of Peace” in the New Testament by supporting neo-con wars?

  136. @Harry Baldwin
    BTW, I finally got around to watching The Sopranos from start to finish. Which made it seem quite odd to me that in 2007, Hillary made a campaign video that mirrored, scene for scene, the last scene in The Sopranos ending with the screen going black as Tony is presumably shot to death. Hillary, who arrives first and is looking through the selections on the jukebox, plays the Tony Soprano role. I guess it was supposed to show how "fun" Hillary can be, but it seems like the Clintons must have gotten a little thrill from throwing this out there, what with the many sketchy things we know about them. "Hint, hint--we're gangsters, too."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BEPcJlz2wE

    Here's the scene from The Sopranos for comparison.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnT7nYbCSvM

    Replies: @Jefferson, @guest, @SteveRogers42

    I didn’t presume Tony was shot to death. There’s not enough information to presume anything, which is why it was such a bad ending.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @guest

    I don't think there was any other assumption you could make about the ending.

    https://masterofsopranos.wordpress.com/the-sopranos-definitive-explanation-of-the-end/

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe, @guest

  137. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @ScarletNumber


    All he has to do is win one state, not the election.
     
    He's not going to win any states. That's Cloud Cuckoo Land stuff. He might be able to make it into the low double digits in Utah, but I doubt it. If he made it onto the ballot in all 50 states, he'd be very lucky to pick up three percent of the total popular vote. And he probably won't be on the ballot in most states.

    Replies: @Mark F.

    Agreed. But I think Gary Johnson could win a state or two. Not likely, but not impossible either.

    • Replies: @EdwardM
    @Mark F.

    Remember that the point of this is not to win any states, but simply deny Trump. If the shill gets a few percentage points, that might be enough to swing a state or two to Clinton (though there aren't many candidates remaining among those whose filing deadline hasn't passed), and the electoral college might be decided by a state or two. . .

  138. @Lagertha
    @Jefferson

    Totally know Mormon history....ashamed that so many strong-backed Scandinavian farmers and farmer's wives decided to "go with it" when proselytizers showed up at the NY piers to talk about "free land and farm animals, but yeah, you have to travel to Utah in a wagon.", and, like, become a Mormon and all, and, the Scandinavian immigrants said, "whatever."

    Replies: @Olorin

    I dunno. I would say this is one more piece of evidence that genome trumps ideology.

  139. @Jack D
    @Jefferson


    Mormonism is not a branch of Christianity.
     
    Then why is it called "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints"?

    I'd say that in their own terms they are Christian - they accept the divinity of Jesus. Of course in terms of other churches they are guilty of heresy, naturally, but you could say that about every Protestant sect.

    Theologically they are "restorationists" - they claim to be "restoring" the church to its early structure, as it was shortly after the death of Jesus. Most American evangelical churches from the earliest days (the Puritans) to the present claim to be restorationist although "restoration" is sort of a blank slate onto which you can project your desires.

    Of course, LDS goes beyond most other restorationist sects in that they have their own scripture. In this sense, they resemble Islam in that they are a derivative religion. They took an existing religion as a starting point and added to it. Mohammed and Joseph Smith are both termed "Prophets" - not divine figures but men who had a direct hotline to the Biblical God and His angels and were therefore qualified to add to the existing canon of holy books. As I have said before, the Book of Mormon is the foremost work of Biblical fan fiction.

    But it is certainly not a totally new and different religion like say Scientology, which claims no connection to the religions that came before it.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Chrisnonymous, @Jack Hanson, @Kevin O'Keeffe, @5371, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    The Taiping cult also identified its deities with persons of the Trinity. Few would claim it was really Christian, though.

  140. @Steve Sailer
    @King George III

    Mormons didn't have a lot of relatives behind the Iron Curtain.

    Replies: @utu

    “Not long before Miller’s Soviet dalliance came to light, Perez, a Latino FBI agent, had filed his first discrimination complaint with the equal employment opportunity office. In the course of the next few years, he, along with more than 300 other agents, would file a class action suit against the FBI for racial and religious discrimination. Part of their complaint was that their Mormon higher-ups had favored agents of their own religion.”
    http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/why-mormons-make-great-fbi-recruits
    Why Mormons Make Great FBI Recruits

  141. @Jack D
    @Jefferson


    Mormonism is not a branch of Christianity.
     
    Then why is it called "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints"?

    I'd say that in their own terms they are Christian - they accept the divinity of Jesus. Of course in terms of other churches they are guilty of heresy, naturally, but you could say that about every Protestant sect.

    Theologically they are "restorationists" - they claim to be "restoring" the church to its early structure, as it was shortly after the death of Jesus. Most American evangelical churches from the earliest days (the Puritans) to the present claim to be restorationist although "restoration" is sort of a blank slate onto which you can project your desires.

    Of course, LDS goes beyond most other restorationist sects in that they have their own scripture. In this sense, they resemble Islam in that they are a derivative religion. They took an existing religion as a starting point and added to it. Mohammed and Joseph Smith are both termed "Prophets" - not divine figures but men who had a direct hotline to the Biblical God and His angels and were therefore qualified to add to the existing canon of holy books. As I have said before, the Book of Mormon is the foremost work of Biblical fan fiction.

    But it is certainly not a totally new and different religion like say Scientology, which claims no connection to the religions that came before it.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Chrisnonymous, @Jack Hanson, @Kevin O'Keeffe, @5371, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Jefferson: “The Southern Poverty Law Center has nothing to do with poor people; it attacks the core to further cultural Marxism.” Jack D: “Then why is it called ‘The Southern Poverty Law Center’? It fights for poor people on its own terms.”

  142. @Jack Hanson
    @Anonymous Nephew

    You're confusing sophisticated with "sophist who babbles".

    Unfortunately, like Tiny Duck and every black cuck fetish poster, Steve has a real hard on for them and can't approve them fast enough. Remember that when he comes rattling his tin cup.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jim Don Bob

    I think you are buying into the modern liberal definition of “conversation”. I’m afraid that Steve still believes in the old fashion notion of a free market for ideas, where the lousy once sink on their own weight. It’s quaint, I know.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @Jack D

    I would believe this if I hadn't had perfectly reasonable commentary kept in moderation indefinitely.

  143. @Jack Hanson
    @Jack D

    Because they don't believe in the Nicene Creed, which is pretty much the bar to "Christian or not".

    Replies: @Jack D

    The Mormons consider themselves restorationist – i.e. hearkening back to the earliest days of the Church. The Nicene Creed was a 4th century pronouncement and is therefore from a period AFTER the Christianity that they claim to be practicing. If you care about this kind of stuff (and honestly I don’t – I have no dog in this fight) here is the Mormon position:

    http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_the_nature_of_God/Trinity/Nicene_creed

    The Nicene creed itself was an effort to suppress the Arian heresy. About 5 minutes after a religion is formed, the 1st heretic appears – that’s the nature of religion.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Jack D

    I still believe in God but this Mormonism you describe and all these sects in Christianity and other religions amount to simple rooting for the home team.

    , @Jack Hanson
    @Jack D

    The Mormons can consider themselves whatever they want to, but the rest of mainline Christianity considers them non-Christians.

  144. @Forbes
    @Dave Pinsen

    Norms of objectivity in Journalism? LOL. In the NYT? LOL.

    Replies: @Clyde

    Anupreeta Das✔ …kind of cute but I do not accept any prog style lecturing from Miss India. I could care less if she was born here after her parents got off the banana boat

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Clyde

    It was written by Jim Rutenberg not Ms. Das.

    Replies: @Clyde

  145. @Jack D
    @Jack Hanson

    The Mormons consider themselves restorationist - i.e. hearkening back to the earliest days of the Church. The Nicene Creed was a 4th century pronouncement and is therefore from a period AFTER the Christianity that they claim to be practicing. If you care about this kind of stuff (and honestly I don't - I have no dog in this fight) here is the Mormon position:

    http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_the_nature_of_God/Trinity/Nicene_creed

    The Nicene creed itself was an effort to suppress the Arian heresy. About 5 minutes after a religion is formed, the 1st heretic appears - that's the nature of religion.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Jack Hanson

    I still believe in God but this Mormonism you describe and all these sects in Christianity and other religions amount to simple rooting for the home team.

  146. @Bill
    @Black Dog the Pirate

    They don't promote morality or traditional marriage. They accept both abortion and divorce. Rather, the whole religion is centered around a John Dewey-esque drive to produce highly productive cogs for use in bourgeois society. Whatever serves that end, they are for.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    The beauty of Mormonism is that it’s wonderfully self selecting.
    As an intro to the main act they have such a clownish story of the revelation to Smith that no sane person could possibly believe it, the inclusion of an Angel called, ffs Moroni was genius.

    Anybody who lasts past the intro has established himself as someone for whom truth, or even plausibility is of no consequence and the structural social secular side of the church is paramount.

    Ideal authoritarian seeking canon (sic) fodder.

    The other great thing they do is the Mission idea.

    They take their young men at the time they are most likely to be rebellious and footloose and send them to some nasty hellhole with just another Mormon for support.
    What finer way to cement allegiance than to provide a vivid contrast to the safety, stability and prosperity back home?

    • Agree: Bill
    • Replies: @fnn
    @Bill Jones


    They take their young men at the time they are most likely to be rebellious and footloose and send them to some nasty hellhole ...
     
    Mitt Romney was sent to France...when it was still France.
    , @Broski
    @Bill Jones

    Your comment inspired me to look up the etymology of "moron." Unfortunately, Moroni predated the word.

    http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=moron

    Nonetheless, the link is rather humorous:


    The feeble-minded may be divided into: (1) Those who are totally arrested before the age of three so that they show the attainment of a two-year-old child or less; these are the idiots. (2) Those so retarded that they become permanently arrested between the ages of three and seven; these are imbeciles. (3) Those so retarded that they become arrested between the ages of seven and twelve; these were formerly called feeble-minded, the same term that is applied to the whole group. We are now proposing to call them morons, this word being the Greek for "fool." The English word "fool" as formerly used describes exactly this grade of child--one who is deficient in judgment or sense. [Henry H. Goddard, in Journal of Proceedings and Addresses" of the National Education Association of the United States, July 1910]
     

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

  147. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Yeah, I am particularly wondering about the overlapping clandestine CIA / UNHCR service. This would have been during time of runup to Iraq War so it leads to the question of if McMullin was “vetting” Iraqis who were, perhaps, providing “intelligence” on Iraq WMDs.

    All of this, of course, is speculative, but he is presenting himself as an outsider, competent in foreign affairs. If he was involved in the runup to the Iraq War that could bring his competence into question.

    Further, his CIA, Goldman Sachs, Congressional Staffer roles smell of establishment, so it’s hard to see how he can be believed to be an “independent conservative” candidate.

    Going back to McMullin and his “vetting” of refugees for CIA/UNHCR this seems relevant –

    “At year’s end, 990 UNHCR-recognized refugees were in Jordan, 868 of whom came from Iraq. During the year, 4,605 asylum seekers filed claims with UNHCR, the overwhelming majority, 4,095, from Iraq. Small numbers of Sudanese, Syrians, and Sri Lankans also applied for refugee status in Jordan during the year.

    During 2001, UNHCR decided the cases of 3,105 refugee applicants (including appeals), granting refugee status to 703 refugees, an approval rate of 22.6 percent. Iraqi nationals – accounting for 89 percent of all decisions taken by UNHCR-Amman – had an approval rate of 24.6 percent.”

    (Source: http://www.refworld.org/docid/3d04c1551c.html)

    So McMullin would have been (more than likely) mostly dealing with Iraqis. I have been raising this issue on social media, but don’t expect anyone to reply. It’s possible whatever he was doing is classified and he may not be at liberty to say what he was doing.

    Regardless, it raises suspicions as to who he is aligned with. It would certainly seem, in my opinion that, on the face of it, Evan McMullin is pure establishment and could have been involved, at least tangentially, in the intelligence gathering that was used to justify the Iraq War.

    That’s not to say he is at fault. What information he may or may not have provided and how it was interpreted aren’t currently known.

    Personally though, I have a sneaking suspicion that this guy is not on the up and up and is just being used as a siphon to draw off Trump votes and put Hillary in the White House as she would be more closely aligned with the establishment agenda of endless war.

  148. @Jefferson
    @Lagertha

    "exactly. Utah has already been getting, and will continue to receive massive amounts of M.E. refugees. It will be interesting to see when Mormons feel a critical mass has appeared with Muslims in their “ancient” lands"

    I hope Mormons do lose their majority religious status in Utah. Mormonism was started by a scam artist named Joseph Smith. Not surprising that followers of a religion started by a crooked scam artist would prefer to see Crooked Hillary in The White House over Donald Trump.

    Mormonism is not a branch of Christianity. It's a complete seperate religion from Christianity just like Islam, Judaism, Sikhism, Scientology, Santeria, Voodoo, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Anonymous, @FX Enderby, @Black Dog the Pirate, @Avenge Harambe, @Jack D, @Crawfurdmuir

    Mormonism is not a branch of Christianity. It’s a complete seperate religion from Christianity just like Islam, Judaism, Sikhism, Scientology, Santeria, Voodoo, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.

    Mormonism differs from the others in claiming to be Christian. Clearly by the standard of the Nicene or Athanasian Creeds, it is not. It resembles some of the ante-Nicene heresies described by Irenaeus. Also, as a learned Roman Catholic canonist pointed out to me, there are parallels between it and the thinking of Giordano Bruno.

    I suspect they feel some sympathy for their fellow polygamists. The mainstream Mormons abandoned polygamy in 1890 – their “prophet” had a “revelation” at the time – as a condition of Utah’s admission to the Union. But I suspect they have a lingering nostalgia for the days of plural wives, and look to the Mohammedans to get polygamy re-legalized in the U.S. They can plead religious liberty, and (unlike Mormons) can complain that they are the victims of “racism” and “xenophobia” in being denied the right to one of their charming native practices.

    It is somewhat amusing to note that Sir Richard F. Burton, who had infiltrated Mecca disguised as a Mohammedan, also visited Salt Lake City. Brigham Young, aware of his Arabian exploits, was courteous, but would not admit him to the Mormons’ temple. Burton wrote of Mormon polygamy:

    “The anomaly of such a practice in the midst of civilization is worthy of a place in De Balzac’s great repertory of morbid anatomy: it is only to be equaled by the exceptional nature of the Mormon’s position, his past fate and his future prospects. Spartan-like, the Faith wants a race of warriors, and it adopts the best means to obtain them. (…)

    “The other motive for polygamy in Utah is economy. Servants are rare and costly; it is cheaper and more comfortable to marry them…”

    Both Mormons and Muslims disbelieve in a future purgatory. That’s because, with multiple mothers-in-law and no booze, they are living through it here and now.

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @5371
    @Crawfurdmuir

    Burton quotes the words of a Mormon belle he conversed with, who expressed her unwillingness to "n***** it with a one-wife man".

    , @Stan Adams
    @Crawfurdmuir

    Richard Burton married the same woman, eight-time bride Elizabeth Taylor, twice.

  149. @Jack Hanson
    @Anonymous Nephew

    You're confusing sophisticated with "sophist who babbles".

    Unfortunately, like Tiny Duck and every black cuck fetish poster, Steve has a real hard on for them and can't approve them fast enough. Remember that when he comes rattling his tin cup.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jim Don Bob

    Disagree completely. I have been reading Steve for about a decade now and, besides his citizenist idea, I have no idea what he thinks. He approves a lot more of “the Joos did it” and other wacky wacky stuff than I would.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jim Don Bob

    He approves a lot more of “the Joos did it” and other wacky wacky stuff than I would.

    Steve actually keeps a bit of a thumb on the scale in these parts in favor of our ancient friends.

    Replies: @Jack D

  150. @Jack D
    @Jack Hanson

    I think you are buying into the modern liberal definition of "conversation". I'm afraid that Steve still believes in the old fashion notion of a free market for ideas, where the lousy once sink on their own weight. It's quaint, I know.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    I would believe this if I hadn’t had perfectly reasonable commentary kept in moderation indefinitely.

  151. @Jack D
    @Jack Hanson

    The Mormons consider themselves restorationist - i.e. hearkening back to the earliest days of the Church. The Nicene Creed was a 4th century pronouncement and is therefore from a period AFTER the Christianity that they claim to be practicing. If you care about this kind of stuff (and honestly I don't - I have no dog in this fight) here is the Mormon position:

    http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_the_nature_of_God/Trinity/Nicene_creed

    The Nicene creed itself was an effort to suppress the Arian heresy. About 5 minutes after a religion is formed, the 1st heretic appears - that's the nature of religion.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Jack Hanson

    The Mormons can consider themselves whatever they want to, but the rest of mainline Christianity considers them non-Christians.

  152. @Jim Don Bob
    Jim Geraghty at NRO writes, "The bad, and obvious news for McMullin is that he’s missed the deadline for appearing on the ballot in Alaska, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Vermont, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin. The deadline for submitting petitions in Colorado, Connecticut, Hawaii, New Hampshire, Ohio and Washington D.C. is tomorrow. He has only a few days to collect the needed signatures in a slew of other states. So in short, McMullin is basically running a write-in candidacy for president."

    Replies: @Bill

    How are David French’s petition drives coming?

  153. I was going through RT’s article today on McMullin. Seemingly, he’s 40, unmarried and has no children. OMG, A Gay Mormon !
    Even if he’s not, it’s not going to play well in Salt Lake City. He’s of an age when most Mormons should be settling into marriage and fatherhood.
    You would have to be pretty stupid to want this sort of extreme personal scrutiny. He’ll be lucky to last a fortnight.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @Verymuchalive

    Perhaps he is unmarried because he consumes mass quatities. Just putting it out there.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Verymuchalive


    He’s of an age when most Mormons should be settling into marriage and fatherhood

     

    Jay Osmond didn't marry until age 32. They seemed alright with that.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

  154. @Bill Jones
    @Bill

    The beauty of Mormonism is that it's wonderfully self selecting.
    As an intro to the main act they have such a clownish story of the revelation to Smith that no sane person could possibly believe it, the inclusion of an Angel called, ffs Moroni was genius.

    Anybody who lasts past the intro has established himself as someone for whom truth, or even plausibility is of no consequence and the structural social secular side of the church is paramount.

    Ideal authoritarian seeking canon (sic) fodder.

    The other great thing they do is the Mission idea.

    They take their young men at the time they are most likely to be rebellious and footloose and send them to some nasty hellhole with just another Mormon for support.
    What finer way to cement allegiance than to provide a vivid contrast to the safety, stability and prosperity back home?

    Replies: @fnn, @Broski

    They take their young men at the time they are most likely to be rebellious and footloose and send them to some nasty hellhole …

    Mitt Romney was sent to France…when it was still France.

  155. @guest
    @Harry Baldwin

    I didn't presume Tony was shot to death. There's not enough information to presume anything, which is why it was such a bad ending.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    I don’t think there was any other assumption you could make about the ending.

    https://masterofsopranos.wordpress.com/the-sopranos-definitive-explanation-of-the-end/

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @Harry Baldwin


    I don’t think there was any other assumption you could make about the ending.

    https://masterofsopranos.wordpress.com/the-sopranos-definitive-explanation-of-the-end/
     
    Yeah, I never realized that Tony died, until following that link you posted. Once I read that, it was clear not only that Tony died, but that the series ending was kinda brilliant. But it flew right over the heads of many of us at the time (myself included).

    Replies: @guest

    , @guest
    @Harry Baldwin

    I can believe that's what David Chase had in mind, but since he didn't show it and was so deliberately tricky, I don't consider it "canon," as they say. I stick by my statement that they didn't provide enough evidence to say what, if anything, happened. There's a series of assumptions that, while plausible, aren't definitive.

    For instance, they make much of POV shots, which are boilerplate in Hollywood and don't necessarily mean much, thematically or otherwise. They could mean something, or maybe not. They obviously want you to be aware of Tony's point of view, for whatever reason. But it's not as if the whole scene is from his POV. And I don't see why we have to assume the blackness is his POV. Since when is The Sopranos that kind of show, where we jump inside the head of Tony? With no warning. It never was the kind of show where the main character's consciousness is the audience's point of view.

    Aside from the dream sequences, of which there were many, and his near-death experience. But the ending wasn't like those. It was hyper-realistic. If it was, the show went out of its way not to tell us we were inside Tony's head. I, for one, am not willing to let them have it both ways. If they want it to be up in the air and tricky, they can live with the audience being pissed off.

    Think about it: if he was killed we don't know by who or why. What kind of drama is that?

  156. @Jack D
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Mormons may be the spiritual descendants of the New England Puritans but they are not (for the most part) their physical descendants. Smith came from upstate New York, not New England and much of the present population of Utah are descendants from European (Scandinavian, English and German) converts.

    SJWism is also a twisted offspring of Puritanism and American evangelical churches are yet another. 400 years (we are coming up on the 400th anniversary - there's going to be a big world's fair and celebration in Plymouth, right?) is a long time and in that interval your family tree can split up in strange and contradictory ways - commissars and counts, popes and atheists, etc.

    Replies: @Uncle Remus

    Upstate New York, especially the Burnt-Over District where Joseph Smith found the Tablets, was settled largely by New Englanders.

  157. @Polynikes
    I'm guessing the establishment feels this is just payback Ross Perot in '92. Half of these guys like Ryan wouldn't be supporting Trump if their refusal to do so would not cause a revolt in their own party.

    Replies: @Stephen R. Diamond

    As I’m sure you know, not only is Ryan supporting Trump, but as well the reverse. In a cuck versus nationalist race!

  158. Speaking as a Californian, the National Evangelical vote has been a boat anchor around the ankle of the State Republican Party since Reagan. We have been swimming in immigrants and all the Republicans could talk about is abortion. Now we get the new improved Mormons who have repudiated their whiteness and are going full cuck.

  159. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    To continue with the Mormon invade/invite theme, this Mormon guy is working on creating Joseph Smith’s crazed vision of a “utopia” that stuffs the world into high density apartments:

    “A Mormon Tycoon Wants to Build Joseph Smith’s Mega-Utopia in Vermont

    David Hall is snapping up farmland to bring his vision of a sustainable high-density community to life. The neighbors are horrified.”

    http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-newvistas-mormon-utopia/

    • Replies: @5371
    @Anonymous

    There's a Robert Silverberg novel where the whole world is like that.

  160. @neutral
    He has exactly the same policies as Hillary and he is running against Trump, why don't these neocons just make it official and become Democrats ?

    Replies: @Kyle, @Jefferson, @Parsifal, @SteveRogers42

    I’m betting that we’re going through a Whig moment. The Clinton/Bush globalists of every stripe will coalesce into a Globalist/Elitist party, Trump and his followers will essentially create a Nationalist/Populist party, and the SJW’s will form another major party dedicated to their interests.

    The Globalists will have the most money, and control over the MSM. The other two parties will have the numbers and the voter enthusiasm. NAM support will be in play.

    Interesting times will continue.

    • Replies: @European in America
    @SteveRogers42

    The Globalists and SJWs will stick together in the Democratic Party for some time. Their goals align (for now). I know several SJWs and they are either indifferent to or accepting of the wars launched by the Globalists. After all the W in SJW does stand for "Warrior". What happens when The Money Runs Out And No More Free Shit is another question.

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @SteveRogers42

    What would crack US politics open would be if all states started apportioning electoral votes proportionally, rather than winner-take-all. Winner-take-all perpetuates a two party system at the federal level.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

  161. @Auntie Analogue
    A Mormon Deep Stater appears - right out of Houellebecq.

    Those who've said this election is not about "the economy," not about "race," not about "job creation," but is about Nationalism vs. Globalism are dead-to-nuts right.

    The (I almost wrote "our") smug traitorous ruling elite have sold us out, over and over and over, again and again and again, and this election is Americans' last shot at taking back our country.

    Anyone who says this election is a precursor to a better version of Mr. Trump coming forth in 2020 is deluding himself and deluding others, because in four years' time the on-purpose demographic replacement will have been a fait accompli forced on us, if, in fact, it hasn't already actually come to pass.

    And that Howard Beale character thought he was fed up. Ah, FONGOOL!

    Replies: @Barnard, @SteveRogers42

    You are absolutely right. Plus, by the next general, the Establishment will have figured out how to use social media. Right now, lots o’ bloggers and twitterers are running rings around the old-style media, and Trump himself is so far inside their OODA loop that it’s funny to watch. This state of affairs will not continue.

    Who knows, the globalists might even trot out a puppet or two who are physically attractive, and have apparently-pleasant, normal personalities and well-modulated voices. That would truly be a game-changer.

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
    @SteveRogers42

    The Establishment does know how to use social media. They ban the right.

    Replies: @Lurker

    , @Lurker
    @SteveRogers42

    The reason that the right are running rings round the left online is not so much because they (we!) are more adept as much as we have all the arguments on our side. Their position is compromised from the ground up. Thats why we can mock them and their positions but they find it almost impossible to do the reverse.

  162. @Pericles
    @Dave Pinsen

    Ms Das writes "how the heck", how cute. For the sake of the Blue Love God, Anupreeta, stop appropriating our culture.

    Replies: @epebble

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @epebble


    That opinion column was written by Jim Rutenberg, not Ms Das.
     
    In retrospect not my best work, in other words. Though I think I'll keep "In the name of the Blue Love God" for future use.
  163. @King George III
    Just how did Mormons come to be so intimately associated with the "deep state"?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack Hanson, @Peter Akuleyev, @MarkinPNW, @SteveRogers42

    Plus, missionary assignments may give them a foreign language skill and experience living and working in a foreign culture.

  164. @Clyde
    @Forbes

    Anupreeta Das✔ ...kind of cute but I do not accept any prog style lecturing from Miss India. I could care less if she was born here after her parents got off the banana boat

    Replies: @epebble

    It was written by Jim Rutenberg not Ms. Das.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @epebble

    My mistake, while the Ms. Das merely gave her approval/tweetout of Jim Rutenberg's piece.
    _____________________

    They factor in Clinton’s promise to have a Cabinet that’s at least 50 percent female if she’s president, and the thin bench of prominent Democratic politicians — which could make it difficult to assemble a better-known first-term Cabinet like those George W. Bush and Barack Obama put together. Clinton’s history of surrounding herself with people she’s had long relationships with, and the balance of potential continuity with the Obama administration versus the need to chart her own direction are additional factors.Then there are more abstract but equally important considerations, such as, perhaps, wanting to appoint the first openly LGBT Cabinet secretary and other diversity considerations.

  165. @Harry Baldwin
    BTW, I finally got around to watching The Sopranos from start to finish. Which made it seem quite odd to me that in 2007, Hillary made a campaign video that mirrored, scene for scene, the last scene in The Sopranos ending with the screen going black as Tony is presumably shot to death. Hillary, who arrives first and is looking through the selections on the jukebox, plays the Tony Soprano role. I guess it was supposed to show how "fun" Hillary can be, but it seems like the Clintons must have gotten a little thrill from throwing this out there, what with the many sketchy things we know about them. "Hint, hint--we're gangsters, too."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BEPcJlz2wE

    Here's the scene from The Sopranos for comparison.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnT7nYbCSvM

    Replies: @Jefferson, @guest, @SteveRogers42

    I remember seeing this at the time, and thinking how jaw-droppingly inappropriate it was, given the Clintons’ trail of scandals and…other things. Were they actively trying to brand themselves as an organized crime family? But, as with so many other things, a gaffe that would have permanently sunk another pol is not even a speed bump in the path of the Clinton Dynasty.

  166. @Verymuchalive
    I was going through RT's article today on McMullin. Seemingly, he's 40, unmarried and has no children. OMG, A Gay Mormon !
    Even if he's not, it's not going to play well in Salt Lake City. He's of an age when most Mormons should be settling into marriage and fatherhood.
    You would have to be pretty stupid to want this sort of extreme personal scrutiny. He'll be lucky to last a fortnight.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Reg Cæsar

    Perhaps he is unmarried because he consumes mass quatities. Just putting it out there.

  167. McDonald’s will put a stop to this. He’s close enough to “Egg McMuffin” to invite a trademark action.

  168. @Jim Don Bob
    @Jack Hanson

    Disagree completely. I have been reading Steve for about a decade now and, besides his citizenist idea, I have no idea what he thinks. He approves a lot more of "the Joos did it" and other wacky wacky stuff than I would.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    He approves a lot more of “the Joos did it” and other wacky wacky stuff than I would.

    Steve actually keeps a bit of a thumb on the scale in these parts in favor of our ancient friends.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    I see hints of it when people complain, "why didn't you post my insane anti-Semitic rant?"

  169. @Verymuchalive
    I was going through RT's article today on McMullin. Seemingly, he's 40, unmarried and has no children. OMG, A Gay Mormon !
    Even if he's not, it's not going to play well in Salt Lake City. He's of an age when most Mormons should be settling into marriage and fatherhood.
    You would have to be pretty stupid to want this sort of extreme personal scrutiny. He'll be lucky to last a fortnight.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Reg Cæsar

    He’s of an age when most Mormons should be settling into marriage and fatherhood

    Jay Osmond didn’t marry until age 32. They seemed alright with that.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yes, but Jay Osmond wasn't running for President.
    Siphoning off the Mormon vote in Utah and thereby preventing Trump from winning the Presidency seems the aim of these machinations. But McMullin is so manifestly weak, as well as lacking in the familial virtues Mormons prize. I think he will have little appeal.
    Obviously, no Mormon of any standing was willing to go on this political suicide mission. Maybe McMullin needed the money and the donors are so desperate they'll spend money on this very long shot.
    Either way, McMullin's background and character will be subjected to intense exposure, much more than an obscure secret policeman would like.

  170. @SteveRogers42
    @neutral

    I'm betting that we're going through a Whig moment. The Clinton/Bush globalists of every stripe will coalesce into a Globalist/Elitist party, Trump and his followers will essentially create a Nationalist/Populist party, and the SJW's will form another major party dedicated to their interests.

    The Globalists will have the most money, and control over the MSM. The other two parties will have the numbers and the voter enthusiasm. NAM support will be in play.

    Interesting times will continue.

    Replies: @European in America, @Dave Pinsen

    The Globalists and SJWs will stick together in the Democratic Party for some time. Their goals align (for now). I know several SJWs and they are either indifferent to or accepting of the wars launched by the Globalists. After all the W in SJW does stand for “Warrior”. What happens when The Money Runs Out And No More Free Shit is another question.

  171. @SteveRogers42
    @Auntie Analogue

    You are absolutely right. Plus, by the next general, the Establishment will have figured out how to use social media. Right now, lots o' bloggers and twitterers are running rings around the old-style media, and Trump himself is so far inside their OODA loop that it's funny to watch. This state of affairs will not continue.

    Who knows, the globalists might even trot out a puppet or two who are physically attractive, and have apparently-pleasant, normal personalities and well-modulated voices. That would truly be a game-changer.

    Replies: @Prof. Woland, @Lurker

    The Establishment does know how to use social media. They ban the right.

    • Agree: Forbes
    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Prof. Woland

    Exactly!

    Online - the degree to which a site trends right/left is less about the nature of the original posts/articles/Tweets etc and more to the degree to which response is moderated.

    Free speech/low intensity moderation makes a site trend right. Only heavy handed moderation can maintain a left position. That or no comments allowed at all.

    Of course the latter means that the left/liberals rarely get exposed to many 'troubling' ideas or hatefacts and even if they do they never gain any practice in arguing against them.

    I have a second component to this theory - that the reverse operates in the MSM.

    How do capable, articulate politicians/pundits etc emerge from the right and get on the TV & radio? Answer is - they don't. Or rather if they do it is very rarely and thus they don't have the experience of being comfortable on camera, on air as liberals do.

    Over here in the UK certain leftist talking heads appear on TV & radio Every. Single. Week. speaking truth to power. I'm thinking of people like Owen Jones, Laurie Penny. These are people with blogs, YouTube channels etc which almost no one bothers with.

    But they spend a lot of their waking hours on air, they're used to it, they know the routines, the jargon, the terminology, the presenters, where to find the canteen, where the clean toilets are - the lot. If somehow, a right leaning person actually gets invited on, they're probably going to look awkward, like a fish out of water - which is the whole point. And they'll never be around often enough to get used to it, to get comfortable.

    Perhaps this is another Trump factor, the system has slipped up, someone they allowed to get comfortable in the MSM has turned on them?

    Replies: @Stan Adams

  172. @epebble
    @Clyde

    It was written by Jim Rutenberg not Ms. Das.

    Replies: @Clyde

    My mistake, while the Ms. Das merely gave her approval/tweetout of Jim Rutenberg’s piece.
    _____________________

    They factor in Clinton’s promise to have a Cabinet that’s at least 50 percent female if she’s president, and the thin bench of prominent Democratic politicians — which could make it difficult to assemble a better-known first-term Cabinet like those George W. Bush and Barack Obama put together. Clinton’s history of surrounding herself with people she’s had long relationships with, and the balance of potential continuity with the Obama administration versus the need to chart her own direction are additional factors.Then there are more abstract but equally important considerations, such as, perhaps, wanting to appoint the first openly LGBT Cabinet secretary and other diversity considerations.

  173. @Bill Jones
    @Bill

    The beauty of Mormonism is that it's wonderfully self selecting.
    As an intro to the main act they have such a clownish story of the revelation to Smith that no sane person could possibly believe it, the inclusion of an Angel called, ffs Moroni was genius.

    Anybody who lasts past the intro has established himself as someone for whom truth, or even plausibility is of no consequence and the structural social secular side of the church is paramount.

    Ideal authoritarian seeking canon (sic) fodder.

    The other great thing they do is the Mission idea.

    They take their young men at the time they are most likely to be rebellious and footloose and send them to some nasty hellhole with just another Mormon for support.
    What finer way to cement allegiance than to provide a vivid contrast to the safety, stability and prosperity back home?

    Replies: @fnn, @Broski

    Your comment inspired me to look up the etymology of “moron.” Unfortunately, Moroni predated the word.

    http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=moron

    Nonetheless, the link is rather humorous:

    The feeble-minded may be divided into: (1) Those who are totally arrested before the age of three so that they show the attainment of a two-year-old child or less; these are the idiots. (2) Those so retarded that they become permanently arrested between the ages of three and seven; these are imbeciles. (3) Those so retarded that they become arrested between the ages of seven and twelve; these were formerly called feeble-minded, the same term that is applied to the whole group. We are now proposing to call them morons, this word being the Greek for “fool.” The English word “fool” as formerly used describes exactly this grade of child–one who is deficient in judgment or sense. [Henry H. Goddard, in Journal of Proceedings and Addresses” of the National Education Association of the United States, July 1910]

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Broski

    Idiot <20
    imbecile 20-49
    moron 50-69
    simpleton 70-73
    dolt 74-79
    dunce 80-83
    twit 84-89
    doofus 90-94
    dingbat 95-99

  174. @Difference maker
    @Boethiuss

    Actually he wins all of them easily. Well said

    Replies: @Boethiuss

    “Actually he wins all of them easily. Well said”

    Yeah, it sounds cool to say that, trying to stand up for the cause, but in Trump’s case it doesn’t work.

    It’s much easier to justify Trump if you allow for his faults, because then you can say that he’s the best alternative in a bad situation. If you try to pretend that the faults aren’t there, then you just look stupid.

    • Replies: @Difference maker
    @Boethiuss

    Nah trust my judgment. I make money and get pretty girls with it

  175. @Tex
    @Boethiuss


    Initiation of military force against a foreign nation arising from a personal feud.
     
    The logical decomposition of choosing how to vote was pretty good, but this bit about going to war over a personal beef is silly. I don't doubt a hostile Congress could find some reason to impeach a president they wanted out. But there's nothing in Trump's history to suggest he'd go to war over a slight. Not even if the president of Bulgaria said Trump had small hands.

    If Trump is elected and Congress fights him every step of the way, who's really to blame? We need to elect nationalists to Congress, not just the presidency.

    Replies: @Boethiuss

    “We need to elect nationalists to Congress, not just the presidency.”

    That’s a great idea, unfortunately it doesn’t work in the context of Donald Trump. If there were already some credible political organization for populist nationalism, Donald Trump would never be associated with it. But there wasn’t before Trump arrived, therefore he gets to be the head of the parade by default. And Donald Trump is not an organizer a la Reagan, Buckley or Goldwater so there won’t be any such organization until Trump is out of the scene which requires him losing among other things.

  176. @Anonymous
    To continue with the Mormon invade/invite theme, this Mormon guy is working on creating Joseph Smith's crazed vision of a "utopia" that stuffs the world into high density apartments:

    "A Mormon Tycoon Wants to Build Joseph Smith’s Mega-Utopia in Vermont

    David Hall is snapping up farmland to bring his vision of a sustainable high-density community to life. The neighbors are horrified."

    http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-newvistas-mormon-utopia/

    Replies: @5371

    There’s a Robert Silverberg novel where the whole world is like that.

  177. @Crawfurdmuir
    @Jefferson


    Mormonism is not a branch of Christianity. It’s a complete seperate religion from Christianity just like Islam, Judaism, Sikhism, Scientology, Santeria, Voodoo, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.
     
    Mormonism differs from the others in claiming to be Christian. Clearly by the standard of the Nicene or Athanasian Creeds, it is not. It resembles some of the ante-Nicene heresies described by Irenaeus. Also, as a learned Roman Catholic canonist pointed out to me, there are parallels between it and the thinking of Giordano Bruno.

    I suspect they feel some sympathy for their fellow polygamists. The mainstream Mormons abandoned polygamy in 1890 - their "prophet" had a "revelation" at the time - as a condition of Utah's admission to the Union. But I suspect they have a lingering nostalgia for the days of plural wives, and look to the Mohammedans to get polygamy re-legalized in the U.S. They can plead religious liberty, and (unlike Mormons) can complain that they are the victims of "racism" and "xenophobia" in being denied the right to one of their charming native practices.

    It is somewhat amusing to note that Sir Richard F. Burton, who had infiltrated Mecca disguised as a Mohammedan, also visited Salt Lake City. Brigham Young, aware of his Arabian exploits, was courteous, but would not admit him to the Mormons' temple. Burton wrote of Mormon polygamy:

    "The anomaly of such a practice in the midst of civilization is worthy of a place in De Balzac's great repertory of morbid anatomy: it is only to be equaled by the exceptional nature of the Mormon's position, his past fate and his future prospects. Spartan-like, the Faith wants a race of warriors, and it adopts the best means to obtain them. (...)

    "The other motive for polygamy in Utah is economy. Servants are rare and costly; it is cheaper and more comfortable to marry them..."

    Both Mormons and Muslims disbelieve in a future purgatory. That's because, with multiple mothers-in-law and no booze, they are living through it here and now.

    Replies: @5371, @Stan Adams

    Burton quotes the words of a Mormon belle he conversed with, who expressed her unwillingness to “n***** it with a one-wife man”.

  178. @Reg Cæsar
    @Verymuchalive


    He’s of an age when most Mormons should be settling into marriage and fatherhood

     

    Jay Osmond didn't marry until age 32. They seemed alright with that.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    Yes, but Jay Osmond wasn’t running for President.
    Siphoning off the Mormon vote in Utah and thereby preventing Trump from winning the Presidency seems the aim of these machinations. But McMullin is so manifestly weak, as well as lacking in the familial virtues Mormons prize. I think he will have little appeal.
    Obviously, no Mormon of any standing was willing to go on this political suicide mission. Maybe McMullin needed the money and the donors are so desperate they’ll spend money on this very long shot.
    Either way, McMullin’s background and character will be subjected to intense exposure, much more than an obscure secret policeman would like.

  179. @Broski
    @Bill Jones

    Your comment inspired me to look up the etymology of "moron." Unfortunately, Moroni predated the word.

    http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=moron

    Nonetheless, the link is rather humorous:


    The feeble-minded may be divided into: (1) Those who are totally arrested before the age of three so that they show the attainment of a two-year-old child or less; these are the idiots. (2) Those so retarded that they become permanently arrested between the ages of three and seven; these are imbeciles. (3) Those so retarded that they become arrested between the ages of seven and twelve; these were formerly called feeble-minded, the same term that is applied to the whole group. We are now proposing to call them morons, this word being the Greek for "fool." The English word "fool" as formerly used describes exactly this grade of child--one who is deficient in judgment or sense. [Henry H. Goddard, in Journal of Proceedings and Addresses" of the National Education Association of the United States, July 1910]
     

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

    Idiot <20
    imbecile 20-49
    moron 50-69
    simpleton 70-73
    dolt 74-79
    dunce 80-83
    twit 84-89
    doofus 90-94
    dingbat 95-99

  180. @LondonBob
    @Peter Akuleyev

    I thought the early Mormons descended from the Ranters, Diggers and Muggletonians etc. that arose in the aftermath of the English Civil War in the 1650s, the religious radicals that appalled the Puritans so much that they persecuted them and expelled them from New and Olde England.

    http://www.lds-mormon.com/refine.shtml

    A Mormon , ex-CIA Goldman Sachsite, the deep state is really trolling now. Still I guess at least they seemed to have moved forward from the Lee Harvey Oswald approach. Lucky for Trump he is very popular with the police and secret service.

    Replies: @meh

    I thought the early Mormons descended from the Ranters, Diggers and Muggletonians etc. that arose in the aftermath of the English Civil War in the 1650s, the religious radicals that appalled the Puritans so much that they persecuted them and expelled them from New and Olde England.

    No, you’re thinking of the Quakers.

  181. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    He’s a pusher of ‘invade, invite’ and is also as establishment as one can get. This brings out the fact that most of this has been advanced by guys in suits who went to the good schools and not by long haired hippie radicals, commies or even the SJW types. It’s the establishment guys in suits who are really responsible; the long-hairs are just street soldier flunkies.

    • Agree: dfordoom
  182. @Boethiuss
    @Difference maker

    "Actually he wins all of them easily. Well said"

    Yeah, it sounds cool to say that, trying to stand up for the cause, but in Trump's case it doesn't work.

    It's much easier to justify Trump if you allow for his faults, because then you can say that he's the best alternative in a bad situation. If you try to pretend that the faults aren't there, then you just look stupid.

    Replies: @Difference maker

    Nah trust my judgment. I make money and get pretty girls with it

  183. @Mark F.
    @Kevin O'Keeffe

    Agreed. But I think Gary Johnson could win a state or two. Not likely, but not impossible either.

    Replies: @EdwardM

    Remember that the point of this is not to win any states, but simply deny Trump. If the shill gets a few percentage points, that might be enough to swing a state or two to Clinton (though there aren’t many candidates remaining among those whose filing deadline hasn’t passed), and the electoral college might be decided by a state or two. . .

  184. @Boethiuss
    @Stan Adams

    "What, in your expert opinion, would Trump do to prompt Congress to impeach him?"

    Any number of the things he's done so far in the context of actually being President. Belligerent treatment of Congress or Members of it. Initiation of military force against a foreign nation arising from a personal feud. That's good for starters.

    Replies: @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever..., @Tex, @Lurker, @Mr. Anon

    Initiation of military force against a foreign nation arising from a personal feud.

    I’m guessing initiation of military force against a foreign nation to distract from sexual activities with voluptuous interns in the Oval Office doesn’t count though. For some reason.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
    @Lurker

    "I’m guessing initiation of military force against a foreign nation to distract from sexual activities with voluptuous interns in the Oval Office doesn’t count though. For some reason."

    That's just the point. After the blue dress, the Demo's knew very well that Clinton was guilty but circled the wagons around him anyway. I don't anticipate that happening at all for Trump.

  185. @SteveRogers42
    @Auntie Analogue

    You are absolutely right. Plus, by the next general, the Establishment will have figured out how to use social media. Right now, lots o' bloggers and twitterers are running rings around the old-style media, and Trump himself is so far inside their OODA loop that it's funny to watch. This state of affairs will not continue.

    Who knows, the globalists might even trot out a puppet or two who are physically attractive, and have apparently-pleasant, normal personalities and well-modulated voices. That would truly be a game-changer.

    Replies: @Prof. Woland, @Lurker

    The reason that the right are running rings round the left online is not so much because they (we!) are more adept as much as we have all the arguments on our side. Their position is compromised from the ground up. Thats why we can mock them and their positions but they find it almost impossible to do the reverse.

  186. @Prof. Woland
    @SteveRogers42

    The Establishment does know how to use social media. They ban the right.

    Replies: @Lurker

    Exactly!

    Online – the degree to which a site trends right/left is less about the nature of the original posts/articles/Tweets etc and more to the degree to which response is moderated.

    Free speech/low intensity moderation makes a site trend right. Only heavy handed moderation can maintain a left position. That or no comments allowed at all.

    Of course the latter means that the left/liberals rarely get exposed to many ‘troubling’ ideas or hatefacts and even if they do they never gain any practice in arguing against them.

    I have a second component to this theory – that the reverse operates in the MSM.

    How do capable, articulate politicians/pundits etc emerge from the right and get on the TV & radio? Answer is – they don’t. Or rather if they do it is very rarely and thus they don’t have the experience of being comfortable on camera, on air as liberals do.

    Over here in the UK certain leftist talking heads appear on TV & radio Every. Single. Week. speaking truth to power. I’m thinking of people like Owen Jones, Laurie Penny. These are people with blogs, YouTube channels etc which almost no one bothers with.

    But they spend a lot of their waking hours on air, they’re used to it, they know the routines, the jargon, the terminology, the presenters, where to find the canteen, where the clean toilets are – the lot. If somehow, a right leaning person actually gets invited on, they’re probably going to look awkward, like a fish out of water – which is the whole point. And they’ll never be around often enough to get used to it, to get comfortable.

    Perhaps this is another Trump factor, the system has slipped up, someone they allowed to get comfortable in the MSM has turned on them?

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Lurker

    Talk radio in the U.S. is dominated by conservatives (or those who claim to speak for them).

    Rush Limbaugh had a short-lived TV show in the '90s. It was syndicated, meaning that local stations could air it at any time they chose. My own local station kept moving it from one oddball time slot to another - first it aired at noon, then at midnight, then at 9 a.m., then at 5 a.m.. Limbaugh claimed that so many stations bounced his show around so often that none of his fans could find it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY_LK7emrJ0

  187. @Crawfurdmuir
    @Jefferson


    Mormonism is not a branch of Christianity. It’s a complete seperate religion from Christianity just like Islam, Judaism, Sikhism, Scientology, Santeria, Voodoo, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.
     
    Mormonism differs from the others in claiming to be Christian. Clearly by the standard of the Nicene or Athanasian Creeds, it is not. It resembles some of the ante-Nicene heresies described by Irenaeus. Also, as a learned Roman Catholic canonist pointed out to me, there are parallels between it and the thinking of Giordano Bruno.

    I suspect they feel some sympathy for their fellow polygamists. The mainstream Mormons abandoned polygamy in 1890 - their "prophet" had a "revelation" at the time - as a condition of Utah's admission to the Union. But I suspect they have a lingering nostalgia for the days of plural wives, and look to the Mohammedans to get polygamy re-legalized in the U.S. They can plead religious liberty, and (unlike Mormons) can complain that they are the victims of "racism" and "xenophobia" in being denied the right to one of their charming native practices.

    It is somewhat amusing to note that Sir Richard F. Burton, who had infiltrated Mecca disguised as a Mohammedan, also visited Salt Lake City. Brigham Young, aware of his Arabian exploits, was courteous, but would not admit him to the Mormons' temple. Burton wrote of Mormon polygamy:

    "The anomaly of such a practice in the midst of civilization is worthy of a place in De Balzac's great repertory of morbid anatomy: it is only to be equaled by the exceptional nature of the Mormon's position, his past fate and his future prospects. Spartan-like, the Faith wants a race of warriors, and it adopts the best means to obtain them. (...)

    "The other motive for polygamy in Utah is economy. Servants are rare and costly; it is cheaper and more comfortable to marry them..."

    Both Mormons and Muslims disbelieve in a future purgatory. That's because, with multiple mothers-in-law and no booze, they are living through it here and now.

    Replies: @5371, @Stan Adams

    Richard Burton married the same woman, eight-time bride Elizabeth Taylor, twice.

  188. @Lurker
    @Prof. Woland

    Exactly!

    Online - the degree to which a site trends right/left is less about the nature of the original posts/articles/Tweets etc and more to the degree to which response is moderated.

    Free speech/low intensity moderation makes a site trend right. Only heavy handed moderation can maintain a left position. That or no comments allowed at all.

    Of course the latter means that the left/liberals rarely get exposed to many 'troubling' ideas or hatefacts and even if they do they never gain any practice in arguing against them.

    I have a second component to this theory - that the reverse operates in the MSM.

    How do capable, articulate politicians/pundits etc emerge from the right and get on the TV & radio? Answer is - they don't. Or rather if they do it is very rarely and thus they don't have the experience of being comfortable on camera, on air as liberals do.

    Over here in the UK certain leftist talking heads appear on TV & radio Every. Single. Week. speaking truth to power. I'm thinking of people like Owen Jones, Laurie Penny. These are people with blogs, YouTube channels etc which almost no one bothers with.

    But they spend a lot of their waking hours on air, they're used to it, they know the routines, the jargon, the terminology, the presenters, where to find the canteen, where the clean toilets are - the lot. If somehow, a right leaning person actually gets invited on, they're probably going to look awkward, like a fish out of water - which is the whole point. And they'll never be around often enough to get used to it, to get comfortable.

    Perhaps this is another Trump factor, the system has slipped up, someone they allowed to get comfortable in the MSM has turned on them?

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    Talk radio in the U.S. is dominated by conservatives (or those who claim to speak for them).

    Rush Limbaugh had a short-lived TV show in the ’90s. It was syndicated, meaning that local stations could air it at any time they chose. My own local station kept moving it from one oddball time slot to another – first it aired at noon, then at midnight, then at 9 a.m., then at 5 a.m.. Limbaugh claimed that so many stations bounced his show around so often that none of his fans could find it.

  189. @SteveRogers42
    @neutral

    I'm betting that we're going through a Whig moment. The Clinton/Bush globalists of every stripe will coalesce into a Globalist/Elitist party, Trump and his followers will essentially create a Nationalist/Populist party, and the SJW's will form another major party dedicated to their interests.

    The Globalists will have the most money, and control over the MSM. The other two parties will have the numbers and the voter enthusiasm. NAM support will be in play.

    Interesting times will continue.

    Replies: @European in America, @Dave Pinsen

    What would crack US politics open would be if all states started apportioning electoral votes proportionally, rather than winner-take-all. Winner-take-all perpetuates a two party system at the federal level.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Dave Pinsen

    Winner-take-all also makes a farce of democracy. I live in a solid blue state, so my vote is meaningless. It's absurd that the votes only really mean something in a few swing states.

  190. @epebble
    @Pericles

    That opinion column was written by Jim Rutenberg, not Ms Das.

    http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/r/jim_rutenberg/index.html?action=click&contentCollection=Media&module=Byline&region=Header&pgtype=article

    Replies: @Pericles

    That opinion column was written by Jim Rutenberg, not Ms Das.

    In retrospect not my best work, in other words. Though I think I’ll keep “In the name of the Blue Love God” for future use.

  191. @Harry Baldwin
    @guest

    I don't think there was any other assumption you could make about the ending.

    https://masterofsopranos.wordpress.com/the-sopranos-definitive-explanation-of-the-end/

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe, @guest

    I don’t think there was any other assumption you could make about the ending.

    https://masterofsopranos.wordpress.com/the-sopranos-definitive-explanation-of-the-end/

    Yeah, I never realized that Tony died, until following that link you posted. Once I read that, it was clear not only that Tony died, but that the series ending was kinda brilliant. But it flew right over the heads of many of us at the time (myself included).

    • Replies: @guest
    @Kevin O'Keeffe

    I don't see how it can be brilliant and go over the heads of longtime and generally intelligent fans, which it did. More like it was a parlor trick, if it is as that site explained it, which went under the audience's head.

    If you insist it was too brilliant to be understood, the show also failed its audience. It should have remained The Sopranos right up to the end, not morphed into some mind-bender. 2001 is an apt comparison, here. Maybe the novel makes sense, and maybe Kubrick had in mind perfectly what went on in the final sequence of that mess. But I insist it made no sense. Not on the basis of the information provided to us, the audience, upon viewing it.

    The Sopranos had a null ending. Maybe if it was the Twilight Zone, or something, and the audience gets off on being confused. But the finale of a show should generally be like the other episodes of the show. It shouldn't suddenly get so "brilliant" that the people who usually get it are suddenly in the dark.

  192. @Lurker
    @Boethiuss


    Initiation of military force against a foreign nation arising from a personal feud.
     
    I'm guessing initiation of military force against a foreign nation to distract from sexual activities with voluptuous interns in the Oval Office doesn't count though. For some reason.

    Replies: @Boethiuss

    “I’m guessing initiation of military force against a foreign nation to distract from sexual activities with voluptuous interns in the Oval Office doesn’t count though. For some reason.”

    That’s just the point. After the blue dress, the Demo’s knew very well that Clinton was guilty but circled the wagons around him anyway. I don’t anticipate that happening at all for Trump.

  193. @Anonymous
    @Jim Don Bob

    He approves a lot more of “the Joos did it” and other wacky wacky stuff than I would.

    Steve actually keeps a bit of a thumb on the scale in these parts in favor of our ancient friends.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I see hints of it when people complain, “why didn’t you post my insane anti-Semitic rant?”

  194. @Dave Pinsen
    @SteveRogers42

    What would crack US politics open would be if all states started apportioning electoral votes proportionally, rather than winner-take-all. Winner-take-all perpetuates a two party system at the federal level.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Winner-take-all also makes a farce of democracy. I live in a solid blue state, so my vote is meaningless. It’s absurd that the votes only really mean something in a few swing states.

  195. @CAL
    @Pagoda

    Yep, if they were sure Trump is going to lose, and the MSM and establishment left and right has been announcing that from day one, they would just sit back and watch Hillary slaughter him. The fact that they aren't is telling. The NYT just announced that Trump is so beyond the pale they will not provide fair reporting. The establishment is pulling out all of the stop.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Boethiuss, @ben tillman

    The establishment is pulling out all of the stop.

    Just remember last time the media failed to control access to the ballot: they shot one and removed the other from office.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @ben tillman

    The story goes that William Randolph Hearst, after promoting the Spanish American War for years, had the headline when it was finally declared: "How Do You Like Our War?"

    I'm sure the media will all be shouting, "How Do You Like Our President?" on November 9th.

    It's shameless, really, that the media has decided, in a sort of ultimate progression of Lippmann Public Opinion theory, that they are the ones who should decide who wins an election. But at the same time I don't think the MSM has that much control over "Public Opinion" as they had before, thanks to the internet.

    Replies: @ben tillman

  196. @ben tillman
    @CAL


    The establishment is pulling out all of the stop.
     
    Just remember last time the media failed to control access to the ballot: they shot one and removed the other from office.

    Replies: @SPMoore8

    The story goes that William Randolph Hearst, after promoting the Spanish American War for years, had the headline when it was finally declared: “How Do You Like Our War?”

    I’m sure the media will all be shouting, “How Do You Like Our President?” on November 9th.

    It’s shameless, really, that the media has decided, in a sort of ultimate progression of Lippmann Public Opinion theory, that they are the ones who should decide who wins an election. But at the same time I don’t think the MSM has that much control over “Public Opinion” as they had before, thanks to the internet.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @SPMoore8


    The story goes that William Randolph Hearst, after promoting the Spanish American War for years, had the headline when it was finally declared: “How Do You Like Our War?”
     
    Of course, it was the Southern "racists" who led the opposition to that war, and imperialism, and US dominion over the Philippines. Ben Tillman's speech was a true classic, perhaps the greatest ever to issue from the Senate floor:

    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Benjamin_Tillman_7_February_1899

    We may say they are rebels, and in strict legal interpretation they may be rebels, but. Mr. President, let this war terminate how it will, history will declare that they are to-day patriots striving for what we fought for in our struggle with Great Britain in the last century; and we can not escape from the condition at least of doubt as to the course we ought to follow when we consider this fact. They were fighting for their freedom against Spanish tyranny two years ago, and they continued to fight up to the time when Aguinaldo left the islands and went to Singapore; they continued the fight, as our own consul said, after he left; they never did cease, some of them: there never was peace; and now the question which addresses itself to every American who loves his flag and loves his great country and loves the great principle upon which that flag rests and that country is founded is this: Are we to take the place of Spain as their taskmasters and oppressors? Do "governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed"?
     
  197. @Brutusale
    @Barnard

    LePage won reelection because, unlike what's happened in New Hampshire, the folks Up the County still outnumber the wealthy Massholes who've bought up the Maine coast south of Freeport.

    Portland has jumped the shark. It's still the best eating and drinking town in New England, but it has been discovered by the Mort & Mindy crowd. It now has a steakhouse with a $64 entree.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Portland has jumped the shark. It’s still the best eating and drinking town in New England, but it has been discovered by the Mort & Mindy crowd. It now has a steakhouse with a $64 entree.

    In 1983, the CCCC was the last venue to host a Grateful Dead show for which ticket prices were under $10 ($9.50 before Ticketron charges). To think that a girl in our dorm lent us her car to drive up to Portland for a Dead show!

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @ben tillman

    If the car was anything like the one I was driving in 1983, a 1974 Olds Delta 88 with a 455 V-8, you had room enough for 8 people!

  198. @SPMoore8
    @ben tillman

    The story goes that William Randolph Hearst, after promoting the Spanish American War for years, had the headline when it was finally declared: "How Do You Like Our War?"

    I'm sure the media will all be shouting, "How Do You Like Our President?" on November 9th.

    It's shameless, really, that the media has decided, in a sort of ultimate progression of Lippmann Public Opinion theory, that they are the ones who should decide who wins an election. But at the same time I don't think the MSM has that much control over "Public Opinion" as they had before, thanks to the internet.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    The story goes that William Randolph Hearst, after promoting the Spanish American War for years, had the headline when it was finally declared: “How Do You Like Our War?”

    Of course, it was the Southern “racists” who led the opposition to that war, and imperialism, and US dominion over the Philippines. Ben Tillman’s speech was a true classic, perhaps the greatest ever to issue from the Senate floor:

    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Benjamin_Tillman_7_February_1899

    We may say they are rebels, and in strict legal interpretation they may be rebels, but. Mr. President, let this war terminate how it will, history will declare that they are to-day patriots striving for what we fought for in our struggle with Great Britain in the last century; and we can not escape from the condition at least of doubt as to the course we ought to follow when we consider this fact. They were fighting for their freedom against Spanish tyranny two years ago, and they continued to fight up to the time when Aguinaldo left the islands and went to Singapore; they continued the fight, as our own consul said, after he left; they never did cease, some of them: there never was peace; and now the question which addresses itself to every American who loves his flag and loves his great country and loves the great principle upon which that flag rests and that country is founded is this: Are we to take the place of Spain as their taskmasters and oppressors? Do “governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed”?

    • Agree: Spmoore8
  199. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Broski

    Because even the top leadership doesn't buy the fantasiess dreamed up by a charismatic sect leader in rural New York. So they peddle the snake oil to dim Aztec peasants and try to dial the more outrageous stuff back to the level of a Protestant book club. First World wallets, Third World bodies.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Because even the top leadership doesn’t buy the fantasiess dreamed up by a charismatic sect leader in rural New York.

    Interesting thought. Last year, I sat across the table from the de facto (i.e., not-in-prison) leader of FLDS for a couple hours, and I got the impression that he believed.

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    @ben tillman

    The FLDS, along with several other splinter sects of "The Latter Day Saint Movement", are by definition fanatical small groups. Of course their leaders "believe".

    Most mainline Protestant churches' working staff and a good part of the Roman Catholic diocesan administration are, deep down, not "believers", if by "believe" you mean the teachings of their sect in particular and Christianity in general are factually true. I spoke with a retired Methodist minister and adjunct professor of theology recently who completely casually admitted he did not believe that any of the Gospels were factually true, and who believed that Jesus of Nazareth was probably not really a specific single person. He was not embarrassed at all by this.

    The Mormons-by whom we always mean "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints", i.e., the 'big church' in Utah-do not have paid clergy, except the very highest levels of administration of the church. That eliminates one primary attractor of people who "don't really believe", but Mormonism is much more all-involving of one's life than most other churches: it becomes one's extended family. I suspect many more Mormons "go along with" Mormon beliefs while quietly having doubts than in the case of most other churches. A "jack Mormon" is a disappointment but not an outcast to his or her family, or to observant members at least. An apostate is an outcast. So many skeptics just keep quiet.

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    @ben tillman

    There's a reason you don't see a lot of scholarship in Mormon theology.

    https://journeyofloyaldissent.wordpress.com/2013/04/06/6/

    By the way, I'm getting this really creepy feeling that the American Deep State is an unholy alliance between Jews and Mormons.

  200. @Boethiuss
    @Stan Adams

    "What, in your expert opinion, would Trump do to prompt Congress to impeach him?"

    Any number of the things he's done so far in the context of actually being President. Belligerent treatment of Congress or Members of it. Initiation of military force against a foreign nation arising from a personal feud. That's good for starters.

    Replies: @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever..., @Tex, @Lurker, @Mr. Anon

    “Initiation of military force against a foreign nation arising from a personal feud.”

    I wasn’t aware that Donald Trump initiated military force against Ted Cruz or Megyn Kelley. Evidently this offence is one that only exists in your own imagination.

    If anything, I could more easily see Hillary doing such a thing than Trump.

    In any event, George W. Bush got away with it without being subjected to impeachment.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
    @Mr. Anon

    He didn't initiate military force in the primaries because he didn't have an army to control.

    W didn't get within miles of impeachment because there was no chance of getting any Republicans to support it. Donald Trump as President can't lean on that.

    Replies: @Difference Maker

  201. @Harry Baldwin
    @guest

    I don't think there was any other assumption you could make about the ending.

    https://masterofsopranos.wordpress.com/the-sopranos-definitive-explanation-of-the-end/

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe, @guest

    I can believe that’s what David Chase had in mind, but since he didn’t show it and was so deliberately tricky, I don’t consider it “canon,” as they say. I stick by my statement that they didn’t provide enough evidence to say what, if anything, happened. There’s a series of assumptions that, while plausible, aren’t definitive.

    For instance, they make much of POV shots, which are boilerplate in Hollywood and don’t necessarily mean much, thematically or otherwise. They could mean something, or maybe not. They obviously want you to be aware of Tony’s point of view, for whatever reason. But it’s not as if the whole scene is from his POV. And I don’t see why we have to assume the blackness is his POV. Since when is The Sopranos that kind of show, where we jump inside the head of Tony? With no warning. It never was the kind of show where the main character’s consciousness is the audience’s point of view.

    Aside from the dream sequences, of which there were many, and his near-death experience. But the ending wasn’t like those. It was hyper-realistic. If it was, the show went out of its way not to tell us we were inside Tony’s head. I, for one, am not willing to let them have it both ways. If they want it to be up in the air and tricky, they can live with the audience being pissed off.

    Think about it: if he was killed we don’t know by who or why. What kind of drama is that?

  202. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @Harry Baldwin


    I don’t think there was any other assumption you could make about the ending.

    https://masterofsopranos.wordpress.com/the-sopranos-definitive-explanation-of-the-end/
     
    Yeah, I never realized that Tony died, until following that link you posted. Once I read that, it was clear not only that Tony died, but that the series ending was kinda brilliant. But it flew right over the heads of many of us at the time (myself included).

    Replies: @guest

    I don’t see how it can be brilliant and go over the heads of longtime and generally intelligent fans, which it did. More like it was a parlor trick, if it is as that site explained it, which went under the audience’s head.

    If you insist it was too brilliant to be understood, the show also failed its audience. It should have remained The Sopranos right up to the end, not morphed into some mind-bender. 2001 is an apt comparison, here. Maybe the novel makes sense, and maybe Kubrick had in mind perfectly what went on in the final sequence of that mess. But I insist it made no sense. Not on the basis of the information provided to us, the audience, upon viewing it.

    The Sopranos had a null ending. Maybe if it was the Twilight Zone, or something, and the audience gets off on being confused. But the finale of a show should generally be like the other episodes of the show. It shouldn’t suddenly get so “brilliant” that the people who usually get it are suddenly in the dark.

  203. @ben tillman
    @The Anti-Gnostic


    Because even the top leadership doesn’t buy the fantasiess dreamed up by a charismatic sect leader in rural New York.
     
    Interesting thought. Last year, I sat across the table from the de facto (i.e., not-in-prison) leader of FLDS for a couple hours, and I got the impression that he believed.

    Replies: @Former Darfur, @The Anti-Gnostic

    The FLDS, along with several other splinter sects of “The Latter Day Saint Movement”, are by definition fanatical small groups. Of course their leaders “believe”.

    Most mainline Protestant churches’ working staff and a good part of the Roman Catholic diocesan administration are, deep down, not “believers”, if by “believe” you mean the teachings of their sect in particular and Christianity in general are factually true. I spoke with a retired Methodist minister and adjunct professor of theology recently who completely casually admitted he did not believe that any of the Gospels were factually true, and who believed that Jesus of Nazareth was probably not really a specific single person. He was not embarrassed at all by this.

    The Mormons-by whom we always mean “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints”, i.e., the ‘big church’ in Utah-do not have paid clergy, except the very highest levels of administration of the church. That eliminates one primary attractor of people who “don’t really believe”, but Mormonism is much more all-involving of one’s life than most other churches: it becomes one’s extended family. I suspect many more Mormons “go along with” Mormon beliefs while quietly having doubts than in the case of most other churches. A “jack Mormon” is a disappointment but not an outcast to his or her family, or to observant members at least. An apostate is an outcast. So many skeptics just keep quiet.

  204. @Mr. Anon
    @Boethiuss

    "Initiation of military force against a foreign nation arising from a personal feud."

    I wasn't aware that Donald Trump initiated military force against Ted Cruz or Megyn Kelley. Evidently this offence is one that only exists in your own imagination.

    If anything, I could more easily see Hillary doing such a thing than Trump.

    In any event, George W. Bush got away with it without being subjected to impeachment.

    Replies: @Boethiuss

    He didn’t initiate military force in the primaries because he didn’t have an army to control.

    W didn’t get within miles of impeachment because there was no chance of getting any Republicans to support it. Donald Trump as President can’t lean on that.

    • Replies: @Difference Maker
    @Boethiuss

    That's really those Republicans' fault, isn't it

  205. The FLDS, along with several other splinter sects of “The Latter Day Saint Movement”, are by definition fanatical small groups. Of course their leaders “believe”.

    Right. Fair enough.

  206. @ben tillman
    @The Anti-Gnostic


    Because even the top leadership doesn’t buy the fantasiess dreamed up by a charismatic sect leader in rural New York.
     
    Interesting thought. Last year, I sat across the table from the de facto (i.e., not-in-prison) leader of FLDS for a couple hours, and I got the impression that he believed.

    Replies: @Former Darfur, @The Anti-Gnostic

    There’s a reason you don’t see a lot of scholarship in Mormon theology.

    https://journeyofloyaldissent.wordpress.com/2013/04/06/6/

    By the way, I’m getting this really creepy feeling that the American Deep State is an unholy alliance between Jews and Mormons.

  207. @ben tillman
    @Brutusale


    Portland has jumped the shark. It’s still the best eating and drinking town in New England, but it has been discovered by the Mort & Mindy crowd. It now has a steakhouse with a $64 entree.
     
    In 1983, the CCCC was the last venue to host a Grateful Dead show for which ticket prices were under $10 ($9.50 before Ticketron charges). To think that a girl in our dorm lent us her car to drive up to Portland for a Dead show!

    Replies: @Brutusale

    If the car was anything like the one I was driving in 1983, a 1974 Olds Delta 88 with a 455 V-8, you had room enough for 8 people!

  208. @Divine Right
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Trump will likely still win Utah anyway, assuming he doesn't sabotage himself, and do better elsewhere as a result of being a foil to this guy's elitist image (#neverTrump types were already voting for Johnson or Hillary, so he won't peel off any more from Trump and may even cause some Johnson supporters to jump ship to Trump). Another good thing about this guy is that his motives are transparent: he's trying to throw the race to Hillary on behalf of the GOP neocon establishment.

    Regardless of how it turns out, interventionists will suffer in the long run as a result. Assuming Hillary wins and wins re-election, that will be the last gasp of militarist interventionism from the Democrats; the next Democratic nominee will likely be a minority that espouses similar positions to Bernie Sanders and Republicans will not embrace those traitors again, at least not as enthusiastically as during the Bush regime. All may seem dark now, but there are signs of change in the air.

    Replies: @ATBOTL

    The plan the people who run the Democratic party have is to roll out a pro-globalism, pro-Wall St., Israel first nonwhite candidate after Hillary. Watch Cory Booker, Senator from NJ.

  209. The Mormon leadership has gone full-on globalist/open borders. They’ve taken the position not so subtly for over a decade now, if not longer. Not sure what motivates this fanaticism, but it’s probably several reasons. First, the Mormon leadership is tight with its wealthiest members (Marriotts, etc.) and those billionaires want labor and customers. Second, to shore up membership. First Worlders aren’t joining much these days. Missionaries to First World countries waste two years of their lives (18 months in the case of young women) and baptize almost no one. Their easiest marks are uneducated immigrants. Finally, the Mormon Church’s jingoism leads them to the opinion that they can’t imagine someone not wanting to live in America.

    So the Mormon Church has taken embraced open borders fanaticism – partly out of idealism, but mostly out of greed. And it’s jingoist believers are naive enough to still support them.

  210. @Boethiuss
    @Mr. Anon

    He didn't initiate military force in the primaries because he didn't have an army to control.

    W didn't get within miles of impeachment because there was no chance of getting any Republicans to support it. Donald Trump as President can't lean on that.

    Replies: @Difference Maker

    That’s really those Republicans’ fault, isn’t it

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