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From the New York Times opinion section:

This Isn’t Your Old Toxic Masculinity. It Has Taken an Insidious New Form.

Jan. 13, 2022

By Alex McElroy

Mx. McElroy is the author of the novel “The Atmospherians,” about two friends who start a cult to reform problematic men.

From AlexMcElroy.com:

Alex McElroy is a nonbinary writer based in Brooklyn. Their debut novel, THE ATMOSPHERIANS, was published in May by Atria. Other writing appears in The Cut, BuzzFeed, Vulture, GQ, Elle, Vice, The Atlantic, Tin House, and elsewhere.

Alex has received fellowships from The Bread Loaf Writers’ Conference, The Tin House Summer Workshop, The Sewanee Writers Conference, The Inprint Foundation, The Elizabeth George Foundation, and The National Parks Service.

From the NYT:

Toxic masculinity is so 2017.

It hasn’t disappeared, of course, but in the years since #MeToo, many men have been trying to drop the stoicism and anger that have long warped masculinity. Some are seeking therapy. Others have enrolled in workshops and men’s groups in an effort to get in touch with their feelings and become better men. For better or worse, everyone you know is watching “Ted Lasso.” The strong, silent type is losing some of his allure.

My personal relationship to masculinity is fraught. I spent my first 31 years moving through spaces where I didn’t feel I belonged, and I was often told implicitly or explicitly that I wasn’t performing maleness correctly. I cried often as a child, and a cousin once pulled me aside to tell me that as a boy I should never cry unless I had a cut running from my eye to my ankle. In high school, after telling my best friend that my grandfather died, he asked me to please leave his house if I was planning to cry.

Two years ago, I came out as a nonbinary trans person. Expressing my true gender identity did not immediately fix my relationship with vulnerability, but it led me to delve deeper into what vulnerability is and how it can operate. As it happens, vulnerability was having a cultural moment — as the topic of popular TED talks and the focus of groups invested in helping men evolve, such as The ManKind Project and Evryman (whose men’s retreats echoed earlier movements encouraging self-reflection in men, including Robert Bly’s “mythopoetic men’s movement”).

It has been exciting to watch as more men embrace vulnerability. At a men’s group meeting in 2019, I saw men like those I knew growing up taking responsibility for their actions and feelings. This was far from the new normal, but at least men were coming together to talk. I began to feel hopeful about the state of masculinity.

But my hope has begun to diminish as I’ve watched male vulnerability curdle into something toxic: Let’s call it petulant vulnerability.

Think of the boyfriend professing loneliness to ensure his partner never sees their friends.

This sentence is incomprehensible due to the now common use of the “their” as a singular term.

Or the hundreds of texts and anecdotes of so-called softbois collected on the @beam_me_up_softboi Instagram account — men who express their feelings the way avalanches share snow, often as a form of manipulation or passive aggression. On the HBO Show “Succession,” Kendall Roy professes his empathy with the plight of abused women only to feed his narcissistic desires. And the film “Promising Young Woman” showcased the horror of the “nice guy” whose sensitivity slides stealthily into misogyny and abuse.

There have been some extreme examples in high-profile court cases of the past year. The courtroom tears of Kyle Rittenhouse, who was later acquitted in the deaths of two men he shot and the wounding of another, and Travis McMichael, who, along with his father and a neighbor, was convicted of the murder of Ahmaud Arbery, were public displays of petulant vulnerability. They show strikingly how this aggrieved, self-righteous mind-set privileges one’s own vulnerability over that of others: The crying killer doesn’t recognize the vulnerability of his victim.

It’s almost as if guys who killed is self-defense are upset over being threatened with life imprisonment just because they are racially whigte.

The aftermath of last year’s Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol was a festival of petulant vulnerability. …

 
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  1. Arclight says:

    Essentially every position taken by extreme outliers like this non-binary transgender whatever is that it’s the 99.9% of society that doesn’t fall into the same identity as themselves that is the problem. It couldn’t possibly be that their own oddness is a source of their mental distress.

  2. Polistra says:

    Ha! The whole way through this, I, thinking: when will it raise the Jan 6 episode?

    So relieved. BtW, it’s no longer a riot, much less a protest rally. It’s now an attempted coup and/or an attack.

  3. Polistra says:

    PS. The National Park Service?? Never mind, I don’t want to know.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  4. SFG says:

    You know, I remember reading the articles saying men were supposed to talk about our feelings more. Stuff like this is how you know they’re not actually annoyed with stuff you’re doing and just hate you.

  5. Imagine taking a “life lesson” from a mentally ill tranny…

    • LOL: Liza
  6. …because they are racially whigte.

    Typo, or pun?

    Is this a Rice in-joke?

    • Replies: @LP5
  7. Isn’t it possible that not crying so much in public and grieving in private instead would have been an easier path in life than whatever being a transgender nonbinary entails? Even being a plain old sissy would seem to be less trouble.

    And isn’t this guy just reinforcing gender essentialist fallacies (as I’m sure he would put it). There’s no way to be authentically male, but he’s too in touch with his feelings – which makes him not male but instead transgender and nonbinary.

    Also, does no one check these people for endocrine issues? If you have the male tackle and chromosomes but you don’t feel male, isn’t a good place to start the inquiry to test for your levels of sex hormones? Maybe there’s a health issue that could be solved, at which point his body would work normally and he’d just be an ordinary sort of fellow with stupid political opinions.

    • LOL: ThreeCranes
  8. And someone wonders about Islamic aggressive idiocy & terrorism. They all think we’re a bunch of faggots.

    • Agree: Bugg
    • Replies: @Liza
  9. Others have enrolled in workshops and men’s groups in an effort to get in touch with their feelings and become better men women.

    FIFT (Fixed It For Them.) OK, women with dicks. Wait, we got those anyway.

    Steve, that “their” for singular has been around for a LONG time. That was due to feminism, not modern BLT-G (Bacon, lettuce, and Tomato, with guacamole?) stuff.

    We have company safety manuals that tell us right in the beginning that they will use “they” for one person. It gets confusing. Wokeness is more important than safety, from what I gather.

  10. Anon[255] • Disclaimer says:

    Wow, two oxymorons in one article. Non-binary and toxic masculinity, almost as bad as adult child

  11. @SFG

    You know, I remember reading the articles saying men were supposed to talk about our feelings more. Stuff like this is how you know they’re not actually annoyed with stuff you’re doing and just hate you.

    Those articles are the feline feminine mind at work, dissembling to get men to expose their vulnerabilities so that the men can be more easily manipulated and dismissed. The feint was of course the falsity that women find vulnerable emotional men more attractive and will let a man be weak for a while while but not learn to find him pathetic and disgusting.

    Ninety-nine point nine nine percent of love advice from women can be summarized as follows: “The fish isn’t going to tell you how to catch it.” And even that is generous in the sense that it credits women with knowing their own minds in an abstract sense.

    • Replies: @martin_2
  12. EdwardM says:

    For better or worse, everyone you know is watching “Ted Lasso.”

    I have vaguely heard of this show in the media, and now I know not to check it out. Thanks.

    • Replies: @Sick 'n Tired
    , @Spect3r
  13. Stealth says:

    Alex McElroy is a nonbinary writer based in Brooklyn.

    I hate “based in.” It’s absurd. More and more, I hear ordinary people use this expression to tell others where they live, and it irritates the piss out of me.

  14. Alex McElroy is a nonbinary writer based in Brooklyn.

    Parody, right?

  15. Separate Countries Now, reason #234,225,985

  16. ic1000 says:

    Once again, the NYT’s underlying theme is Elite Overproduction.

    “Society’s failure to celebrate my unique genius has caused untold agony and self-doubt, as well as forcing me to re-live real and imagined childhood slights,” quipped Alex McElroy, the nonbinary Brooklyn-based aspiring novelist and fellowship-garnerer.

    “I can only hope that other confused natally-gendered people with penises will heed my Op-Ed advice, and follow my trail-blazing footsteps. That’s my contribution to healing our world — my legacy!,” he concluded, to thunderous applause.

    • Agree: S. Anonyia, Bill
    • Thanks: Right_On
    • Replies: @Alden
  17. Gamecock says:

    Article could be easily ignored, except for The National Parks Service.

    They are NOT going to re-gender the National Park Service.

  18. Mike Tre says:

    Think of the boyfriend professing loneliness to ensure his partner never sees their friends.

    “This sentence is incomprehensible due to the now common use of the “their” as a singular term.”

    It’s also a complete inversion of reality. It’s women who more often chastise their male partners for wanting to have bro time.

    I have to give Steve credit for being able to endure reading this trash. I can’t make it two sentences.

  19. “I was often told implicitly or explicitly that I wasn’t performing maleness correctly.”

    Life is easier when people conform to its basic rules.

    This is why parents oppose deviancy like ‘drag queen story hour’. If you present deviancy as normal to tots, they can point to that in their teens and say the rules have always been broken. That’s the point of queer propaganda, to fracture normalcy and confuse young minds.

    The truth is, if you’re queer, the straight world is always going to seem alien. Just embrace your difference, instead of hopelessly trying to change the world.

    • Replies: @Alden
  20. @SFG

    This may not end well.

    Usually men getting in touch with their feelings ends with a mountain of skulls, or some such.

    • LOL: Alden, ben tillman
    • Replies: @tyrone
  21. Batman says:

    This week in the NYT: A transexual telling men what it means to be a real man.

    Next week in the NYT: Mel Gibson telling Jews what it means to be a good Jew.

  22. Jimbo says:

    This is what happens when a society outlaws bullying.

    • Agree: Sick 'n Tired
    • LOL: ThreeCranes, Right_On
  23. I’m a nonbinary trans writer, got it? I’m definitely not someone with petulant vulnerability!

  24. A pointless person desperately seeking relevance in the eyes of the irrelevant.

    • Thanks: Harry Baldwin
  25. Weird Al Yankovic has transitioned?!!

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  26. So men emoting like women is now bad? Thought that is what that the world wanted. I have to agree with the author to a certain extent. Whining men are useless, but not toxic. Then again maybe the problem here is whining men don’t do trannies anymore than the old school alphas. Doubt the trans recruiters never discuss that part of transgenderism.

  27. In a normal society, the leading paper publishes articles and opinion from normal healthy highly competent people who have high quality (empirical) information or interesting, informed analysis, that helps the society become even more functional, healthy–i.e. more normal.

    We have the NYT. This is your nation on minoritarianism.

    • Agree: S. Anonyia, Rich, El Dato, sayless
  28. Bugg says:

    Mx. McElroy; please SHUT THE FUCK UP!

    Sentence after sentence of incomprehensible virtue signalling babble and gibberish. We have to confront this idiocy and call it exactly that. It’s language that purposefully uses a mess of words but really means nothing.

    At least get Mx. McElroy a copy of Strunk&White or “The Old Man and the Sea”. Dear God, does this chick with a dick ever write a simple declarative sentence?

  29. Tom Grey says:

    Guys who kill in self-defense, and then are sorry about it, only have petulant vulnerability. Real masculine vulnerability would have been to accept being beaten to death.

    Only Dem men have real, good vulnerability. Reps are either toxic or petulant, or both.

  30. Mr. Anon says:

    Mx. McElroy is the author of the novel “The Atmospherians,” about two friends who start a cult to reform problematic men.

    Mx.?

    Just call him Crying-Boy.

  31. men who express their feelings the way avalanches share snow, often as a form of manipulation or passive aggression.

    Thank God Women would never do that! Otherwise who knows where we would be?

    Mx. McElroy Is this the first use of ‘Mx.’ in the NYT? I have to say they pulled it off with aplomb.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  32. PSR says:

    I miss the good old days when people wrestled with their mental disorders discreetly and privately, maybe with the help of a close friend and family; now we’re all expected to stand up and applaud.

    • Agree: fish
  33. Anonymous[109] • Disclaimer says:

    How are the ramblings of the lonely weirdo du jour more interesting to you than WOMANHOOD writ large taking over the entirety of our lives?

    Remember Rolling Stone?

    https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/covid-misinformation-joe-rogan-spotify-petition-1282240/

    As an infectious disease epidemiologist and research fellow at Boston’s Children’s Hospital who debunks health misinformation on Instagram —where she has more than 380,000 followers — Jessica Malaty Rivera regularly receives tips from her followers about viral content to debunk. A few weeks ago, her followers started sending her a link to an episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, the most popular podcast in the world. The episode was an interview with Dr. Robert Malone, a virologist who touts himself as one of the architects of mRNA technology.

    Rivera was familiar with Rogan, as well as Malone. She knew that Malone had been banned from Twitter for promoting Covid-19 misinformation, and that he had been making the rounds in conservative media circles undermining the efficacy of the vaccine. When she watched the interview, she was horrified to see that he espoused various conspiratorial and baseless beliefs, from the idea that “mass formation psychosis” is responsible for people believing in the efficacy of vaccines; to the claim popular among anti-vaxxers that hospitals are financially incentivized to falsely diagnose Covid-19 deaths. The episode featuring Malone went viral, and was shared widely in right-wing media circles as well as on Facebook, where the link on Spotify has been shared nearly 25,000 times, according to CrowdTangle data.

    Yet Rivera was even more horrified to discover that people in her life, whom she considered to be “quite wise and discerning,” were hoodwinked by Malone’s patina of academic credibility, considering his views on the vaccine legitimate. “When I saw they were falling victim to this, I spoke to some colleagues and we said SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE AT THIS POINT,” she says.

    S T O P • B E I N G • C U C K E D ! ! !

    Don’t lose your strength to women – Proverbs 31:3

  34. LP5 says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    …because they are racially whigte.

    Whigs

  35. @Achmed E. Newman

    OK, women chicks with dicks.

    TFIFY 😉

    I tend to refer to them as ‘it’ in the singular … fortunately that works in the masculine, feminine, and neuter forms.

  36. @kaganovitch

    Kaga, I saw that before I read any further. Mx. instead of Mr. or Ms. They should have adopted Mix instead, as in you are really mixed up. Sorry, I meant to say ‘they’ instead of ‘you.’ This is all just part of the “Hey, look at me.” generation. Sorry, again, I, being me, should have written..”Hey, look at they.” Thanks for the agita Steve.

    • Replies: @James J O'Meara
  37. mmack says:

    Dear Mx. McElroy:

    • Thanks: Gary in Gramercy
  38. Altai says:

    The reality is that US and Western society society has never been more influenced by a female Weltanschauung something that has been turbo-charged by social media, whose power users are principally female and born after 1985 and it’s increasing importance in driving social and moral parameters.

    What’s more interesting is what kind of female Weltanschauung it is. What kinds of women are driving it?

  39. a cousin once pulled me aside to tell me that as a boy I should never cry unless I had a cut running from my eye to my ankle.

    Didn’t happen.

    In high school, after telling my best friend that my grandfather died, he asked me to please leave his house if I was planning to cry.

    Didn’t happen.

    I cried often as a child

    Did happen.

    • Agree: Alden
  40. This guy is trans and non-binary? From the picture he looks like an ordinary, plain-looking man with slightly long hair.

    Anyway, all of these think pieces prove that we have a huge surplus of mediocre upper middle-class people who are addicted to navel-gazing. Maybe the solution to woke culture is for conservatives (especially those with a decent financial cushion who can afford to do so) to gradually put themselves out there and get into the arts, media, and journalism again. It’s not like it’s difficult to beat these navel-gazers on content.

    Related: NPR had some recent piece about “decolonizing fitness.”

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @James Forrestal
  41. Alrenous says: • Website

    Reminder: where and what is toxic femininity? Can women do no wrong? How sexist. Only those with no power whatsoever are incapable of misusing their power.

    What and where is healthy masculinity? “It’s being a woman.” Ah, so you want all of us powerless.

    Are they seriously that afraid of literally everyone? (Yes.) Conquest #1: everyone is conservative (i.e. not an idiot) about what they know best. Are they afraid rationally, because Conquest #1, or are they clinically insane, suffering from paranoid delusions, and you’d have to be an idiot yourself to put them in charge of an ice cream cart, let alone anything with consequences?

    Fun fact, they say “anger warps masculinity” then, if you express anything other than anger, they will shame you.
    Anyone care to try the [crying in public] experiment? You’ll get maybe a half-second of sympathy before it gets super awkward, then they’ll ostracize and bully you forever after. Don’t worry, they’re definitely not just fuckin’ lying or anything. Like there’s Satanists and then there’s these assholes, who make Satan go, “My work here is done, my people need me.”

    >let’s call it petulant vulnerability
    They really will try to get you coming and going. The problem is you have a penis. Which is a big reason some particularly status-anxious men opt to have it cut off. They’ll never be happy until you self-mutilate. Testosterone makes you terrifyingly likely to defend yourself, e.g. Saint Rittens.
    As per Saint Rittens, they absolutely will attack you if they think they can get away with it, so your propensity to defend yourself is a real issue for them!

    Are you going to keep taking this clinical madness seriously?

    Fun fact: never mind the 40-50% suicide rate, let’s talk about how the frankenstein “transition” surgery has a death rate higher than coronaviruses. Folk die on the operating table all the time for every operation, and this one is no exception.

    They’re just lying. A lot of it is pure psychopathic sadism.

    [MORE]

    >after telling my best friend that my grandfather died, he asked me to please leave his house if I was planning to cry.

    Oh noes! So mean!
    Let’s assume this story isn’t straight invented. This author has negative credibility, but you can nearly always cop a liar just by taking them too seriously, so…
    You can tell it’s under voluntary control. He put the word “planning” there in plain English. This guy (I use the term loosely) is clearly a manipulative piece of shit. Women who strategically turn on the waterworks are annoying enough without having the “men” doing it too.
    Bonus round: how attached was he to this grandfather? I’m guessing: barely knew the man, and this other teenager knew that damn fine.
    Let’s imagine a real life scenario. You have a death in the family, you’re really broken up about it. Step 1: you calmly arrange a visit with some random minor. Step 2: you make the entire trip. Step 3: you, only now, mention the issue. Step 4: you now become broken up about it enough to cry.
    Are any of these steps realistic?
    Something I genuinely have seen in real life: “I’m too emotional to be good (hic) company right now.” Someone who genuinely cares stops this nonsense some hours before it happens. (Result: going out plans are cancelled, friend comes anyway to provide comfort, because it isn’t fake.)

    As per usual, narcissists always project. His problems aren’t with toxic “masculinity” the problem is plain being toxic. In a particularly manipulative way. The vulnerability is nearly 100% fake.

    Everyone he meets in person notices right away. Then, voters, in their inimitable inarticulate flailing, say “men shouldn’t cry” instead of calling it what it is. But, then, Conquest #1. He knew damn fine their reaction would be useful sympathy fodder, that’s why he does it this way.

    • Replies: @Recently Based
    , @Alden
  42. “#MeToo, many men have been trying to drop the stoicism and anger that have long warped masculinity.”

    Oh, our social landscape is fraught with evidence of this. Fraught. Do present some anyway, though. I’ll, as best I can, feign attention.

    I can no longer read such slop from our stagnant Twyggies.

  43. They’re really working hard at attempting to reduce the number of white males who are likely to have offspring.

    • Agree: Alden
  44. Catdog says:

    For better or worse, everyone you know is watching “Ted Lasso.”

    Qui?

  45. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    What’s with these waves of metro types, fluid, trans and all the rest of the mind-blurring categories? Is there something in the environment affecting people’s natal development? What about birth control pills which change women’s hormones, touted as ‘safe, cheap and effective’? Some women use them for years then go off when they decide it’s time. Does the body instantly snap back to pre-pill conditions within a day after getting used to a steady diet of these substances or is there a period of readjustment after stoppage, like most other medications? Something in the food or water? There’s a lot of hormone related weirdness that’s emerged in recent decades. Seems like there has to be more to all this than just faddishness.

    • Agree: ThreeCranes
    • Replies: @Alden
    , @PhysicistDave
  46. @SFG

    The irony is that this article about how men shouldn’t talk about their feelings is written by a man (but a special “they” man) who…. writes about his feelings for a living.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  47. AndrewR says:

    I sympathized with this thing for having a “friend” who wouldn’t allow “them” to cry in his house after “their” grandpa died. That “friend” is scum.

    Then this thing decided to demonize a young boy who was forced to defend himself and whose trial was highly publicized by the demonic media.

    We can’t share a country with these people and feankly I’m not cool with the idea of sharing a planet with them.

  48. OTish:

    YouTube trends expert Chris Stokel-Walker said this year’s list is interesting because it shows “how stale” YouTube has become. “It strikes me how white and male this whole list is,” he said.

    “If you take any of the names and look at previous years’ lists, you’ll probably find them on there as well, just in a different order.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-59987711

  49. @Altai

    “female Weltanschaung”

    Yes, but which variant of female will rule the roost? The war betwixt the White Dog Moms and Black Goddesses has been engaged. The WDMs tend to submit to the BGs, but the more hard-bitten of the WDMs realize continued fealty to Colour will continue the current dystopian downward spiral. Meanwhile, homosexual Jewish men lurk in the shadows, sending spies into both camps.

  50. Steve: “This sentence is incomprehensible.”

    “Alex has received fellowships from The Bread Loaf Writer’s Conference, The Tin House Summer Workshop, The Sewanee Writer’s Conference, The Imprint Foundation, The Elizabeth George Foundation, and The National Parks Service.”

  51. Gordo says:

    I can’t understand why your Nation Parks Service is subsidising this wierdo.

    Equally I can’t understand why our Royal National Lifeboat Institute is subsidising creches in Bangladesh!

  52. Alex McElroy

    Wasn’t he a character in the Jetsons?

  53. @Achmed E. Newman

    Wokeness is more important than safety, from what I gather.

    And “safety” is more important than safety.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  54. With violence spreading in New York, a lot of these Brooklyn hipsters are in for experiences even this guy’s stoic cousin would view as a legitimate cause to cry.

  55. Stopped reading this fruitcake when he showed disdain for Rittenhouse defending himself from two psychotic jewish pedophiles, a 3rd clown and a filthy, cowardly orc.

    These folks don’t need column space, they need therapy.

  56. Whiskey says: • Website

    So that’s the plan then, make all the beta males gay so the few true Alphas can get all the women. Like everything else the Regime touches, it turns to garbage in an instant.

    For any normal man, this sort of stuff is both revolting and lead them to think, “yes Gays ARE a threat to me and mine.” And adjust views and behavior accordingly. Indeed gays like women are the eternal and natural enemy of the straight White beta male.

    What is likely to happen is that straight White dudes are going to be even harder, and tougher, and less tolerant of female nonsense, of gays, and of blacks and as we move rapidly to a big Depression thanks to Brandon and his handlers, are going to embrace that in all its attributes.

    Because these guys live in a bubble they think they can gay-ify most White men by appeals to authority and position. Instead all they confirm is that the institutions and ruling elite are their PERSONAL enemy for any straight White guy reading this. Telling straight dudes they better gay up is a mortal threat which they are making without the vast army required to enforce it.

    Telling straight White guys they are Toxic on the way to another Great Depression is not exactly a winning strategy. Its like all the Jan 6th stuff as shelves are bare. Most people figure that was a lost opportunity to ditch Brandon for Trump and have food to eat. An empty consumerist society cannot survive bare shelves and deprivation. Since there is nothing but “soft_bois” to fall back upon and gay male social media influencers are not a solid foundation for society.

  57. If you want to learn more about who’s financing Transgenderism, read this article below.

    https://www.unz.com/estriker/american-oligarchs-i-the-pritzkers-and-transgenderism/

    It seems like we woke up one day to find that, out of nowhere, distinguishing between male and female has become illegal. In defiance of intuition, common sense and 3rd grade biology, a number of liberal plutocracies like Canada and the United Kingdom have legislated to force-feed their subjects the doctrine of transgenderism, which contrary to the idea that it is an individual choice, is always coupled with mandates that ordinary citizens acknowledge the delusions of wealthy narcissists and perverts.

    The Pritzkers are only one, relatively small branch of America’s hereditary plutocracy. If you’re wondering why Presidential candidates like Elizabeth Warren or Great Wall Street Hope Pete Buttigieg have made the absurdity of transgenderism front and center in their campaigns, it’s because the Pritzkers are paying them to.

    Universities, mass media, elections, law enforcement, medicine – all of these important institutions have been ruined by Jewish bankster money from people like the Pritzkers, who have almost fully replaced ethics and merit to indulge their fetishes and desire to control us.

    Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh (who is Jewish) made a similar point.

    https://mondoweiss.net/2016/04/sy-hershs-forbidden-statement-sanderss-liberation-from-ny-jewish-money-could-change-us-foreign-policy/

    In October 2007, Hersh appeared on Amy Goodman’s show Democracy Now! and was asked about why so many senators were authorizing force against Iran.

    “Money. A lot of the Jewish money from New York.”

    More here.

    These comments resonate with J.J. Goldberg’s statement in the Sixth and I Synagogue 2 weeks ago:

    [Of the top 14 givers on the Democratic side] There was one non-Jew who was giving big money to the Democrats. That’s gigantic in the terms of American politics.

    1/14. Damn.

    I started as a finance director. I worked for candidates in the 90’s as their finance director. before you went to the Jewish community, you had a conversation with the lead AIPAC person in your state and they made it clear that you needed a paper on Israel. And so you called all of your friends who already had a paper on Israel – that was designed by AIPAC – and we made that your paper.

    I wonder what the people of China (PRC) would think about this.

    For those who won’t take the money, there’s always sexual blackmail. If he hadn’t committed “suicide,” Jeffrey Epstein could’ve explained how this worked.

  58. Alden says:
    @SFG

    Agree, this is just a rehash of feminazi propaganda 50 years ago and 1930s communist propaganda in the Jewish communist Forward, the communist Daily Worker and other communist publications.

    Those articles weren’t about gay men though. They were more practical. About the ideal communist family. All the 1930 communists did was urge husbands to help with housework.

    It’s very possible M-F trans is revenge on affirmative action for women. The gays succeeded in affirmative action for gays. But found that gay White men were just one tiny teeny step up in the affirmative caste system. They hope to rise in the affirmative action caste system.

    Follow the money. Surgery corrective surgery after the first surgery psychiatrists psychologists Plus consultants coordinators counselors Centers, tax exempt foundations to employ liberal activists too dumb to be a a nurses aide.

    And the gazillions of dollars the pharmacy companies will make from selling hormones. I believe this is the reason the big propaganda machine focuses on M-F trans. Because the research on estrogen progesterone and other female hormones was done decades ago. Medicine is cheap to manufacture . Just dump ingredients into vats, mix , then to the pill making machine then to the container. And medicine is small volume high value. Incredibly cheap to transport.

    Follow the money. .

    Women don’t cry much after about age 7 either. I keep wondering what the next insane destructive cause will be..

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  59. Alden says:
    @Altai

    The women driving it are just fronts for the great Foundations used by TPTB.

  60. Alden says:
    @ic1000

    Fellowship Garner sounds like a word for a prostitute. Escort, masseuse , dinner companion, private tour guide, cleaning service maid, therapist, public relations, driver, private dance lessons. There are many terms for prostitute.

  61. martin_2 says:

    “Others have enrolled in workshops and men’s groups in an effort to get in touch with their feelings and become better men.”

    What he means is that White men have enrolled in these “workshops” and “groups”. Only white people behave in such goody goody ways. Only white people think like that.

    BTW what are the words “workshop” and “men’s groups” doing here? A workshop is an area in a factory dedicated to one thing, like metalwork or carpentry. A group is something like the Beatles.

  62. Rich says:

    In a better world this poor McElroy fellow would be in an asylum getting the care he needed. The man is obviously insane and even if no one cares enough to get him help, allowing him a platform to reveal his madness is just mean.

  63. huisache says:

    everybody you know is watching Ted Lasso. I asked around our group coffee club this morning and none of the all male group has watched Ted Lasso and most had never heard of it. And we all remain fairly stoic. Weepers—none. The NYT has been enveloped by a fog of weepers. It is good for a laugh but not much else anymore. Twenty years ago I liked reading it front to back.

  64. Muggles says:

    This person’s writing demonstrates what can occur when toxic narcissism strikes.

    Don’t let it happen to you!

    There is probably nothing inherently wrong with him that six months on some front line somewhere, trying to survive with his comrades under fire, wouldn’t cure.

    Or he’d be dead in a week.

    Win/win.

    • Replies: @Lurker
  65. Steve

    Have I got a story for you…a story in the realm of racial tensions:a White husband(maybe a (((…)))..)and the Chinese Wife……who experiences nasty looks and under-the-breath comments in grocery stores-in Soledad O’Brien’s hometown….I’m deaf in one ear from rock and roll and Rachmaninov at 130 decibels…but the working ear heard the whole conversation….

  66. JimDandy says:

    On the HBO Show “Succession,” Kendall Roy professes his empathy with the plight of abused women only to feed his narcissistic desires.

    I’m still not sure what “curdled vulnerability” is, but I almost puked at how stupid this they’s article is, does that count?

  67. Shorter Alex McElroy: I’m not a real man, and no one else should be one.

    Can you imagine thousands of Alex McElroys pouring out of the Higgins boats and on to Omaha beach on June 6th, 1944?

    Me neither.

  68. @Buffalo Joe

    Just as Ms. is pronounced “mizz” (which Florence King pointed out is just the Olde South “Miz”) I suggest this be pronounced “Minx” as in “you little minx!” which I think the non-binary would enjoy, judging by the quirky picture.

    • Thanks: Buffalo Joe
  69. @Altai

    Schopenhauer, as always, was ahead of the curve. Here he is on “The United States of North America,” as he calls it. Both reflexive USA patriots and “I’m so neo-Rx” types should study this very carefully:

    For with all the material prosperity of the country what do we find? The prevailing sentiment is a base Utilitarianism with its inevitable companion, ignorance; and it is this that has paved the way for a union of stupid Anglican bigotry, foolish prejudice, coarse brutality, and a childish veneration of women. Even worse things are the order of the day: most iniquitous oppression of the black freemen, lynch law, frequent assassination often committed with entire impunity, duels of a savagery elsewhere unknown, now and then open scorn of all law and justice, repudiation of public debts, abominable political rascality towards a neighbouring State, followed by a mercenary raid on its rich territory,–afterwards sought to be excused, on the part of the chief authority of the State, by lies which every one in the country knew to be such and laughed at–an ever-increasing ochlocracy, and finally all the disastrous influence which this abnegation of justice in high quarters must have exercised on private morals. This specimen of a pure constitution on the obverse side of the planet says very little for republics in general, but still less for the imitations of it in Mexico, Guatemala, Colombia and Peru.

    Other than the part about women, Mencken would approve.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  70. Petulant vulnerability might make them rich like white fragility. It’s worth a try.

  71. Alden says:

    Off topic Jews are reeling from the latest out burst of anti Semitism. It’s known as Jewface. Which is even worse that White actors in blackface. At first I thought it was about the incredible time consuming make up and prosthetics needed to make average attractive shiksa Helen Mirren look like Golda Meir.

    But now, it’s about the horrendous crime of hiring non Jewish actors to play Jews. Apparently it’s just fine to hire Jewish actors to play non Jews. Including historical non Jewish like Martin Luther Kings Queens explorers Popes Christian saints and historical persons.

    But it’s vicious anti Semitism to hire a non Jew to play a Jew. So there’s a new hate slur Jewface. I honestly thought the term referred to stereotypical Jewish faces. Like Golda Meir’s.

    I believe the Israelis are getting ready for another attack on their unfortunate neighbors. The attacks are always preceded by a propaganda blast. The movie being made about the 1973 attempt to conquer Egypt.

    I assume Mirren is getting paid by the hour. 7 hours sitting in the make up room to be transformed into Golda. Then 2 hours of shooting for 3 minutes of film.

    She’ll have to arrive at the make up room at midnight to be transformed into Golda by 7/30 am.

  72. Anon7 says:

    “I spent my first 31 years moving through spaces where I didn’t feel I belonged…”

    Sibster*, I know just what you mean. I remember times I wanted to play pickup basketball, but drove past an urban court that was packed with black guys with jailhouse tatts, and just drove on by, feeling like this was a space where I didn’t belong.

    (* Bet you didn’t know that you can use this neutral term instead of “brother”. Okay, I googled it.)

  73. Ugly people with high verbal IQ can be very dangerous for a society. If Mx. Alex got a facelift and a personal trainer then we would have none of this nonsense.

    • Agree: Kylie
  74. NYT: This Isn’t Your Old Toxic Masculinity. It Has Taken an Insidious New Form

    I say:

    The New York Times pushes Toxic Monetary Policy Extremism(TMPE). Toxic Monetary Policy Extremism has now taken on an insidious new form.

    The billionaires and the top ten percent loot holders are laughing their asses off at the distractionary crud they put out in the corporate propaganda apparatus. World War Tranny and binary this or that and the bonehead clods clomping through the Capitol in Swamp City DC are all just distractions from the financial looting that the billionaires and the top ten percent loot holders are engaged in.

    Billionaire scum such as Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk and Bill Gates and Paul Singer are using their control of the monetary policy of the Federal Reserve Bank to steal everything in sight and the mass media, which the billionaires also control, is distracting the public with mindless political slop that don’t make no sense.

    Stop Making Sense was a decent concert film, but the billionaires and the top ten percent loot holders are now deliberately using the mass media to deploy nonsensical garbage to crowd out any attempt to accurately describe just what the Heck is going on.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  75. @Arclight

    Pertaining to Mx. McElroy, radio host Bob Grant used to tell a joke about the proud mother spotting her son in the WW II homecoming parade and saying, “Will you look at that–all out of step except my Patrick!”

    • LOL: Sick 'n Tired
  76. Thea says:
    @Altai

    What’s more interesting is what kind of female Weltanschauung it is. What kinds of women are driving it?

    Is the answer women with a history of poor relationship skills, in particular regarding men. Dislike their father, don’t know how to relate well to romantic partners to form stable bonds,.

    Or is it empty wombs. Most of our foremothers had kids by their early twenties and thus no time or energy for politics.

    Or simply too rich. Americans ( especially women) have no real worries do making drama is fun and necessary.

    Those are my guesses.

    • Replies: @fish
  77. nebulafox says:

    “The strong, silent type is losing some of his allure.”

    OK. Note taken. New York Times says that I should do one thing. Means I should probably do the opposite thing.

  78. JimDandy says:
    @Alden

    Now that’s what I call Chutzpah!

    The struggle is real, bro:

    Rolling Stone:
    ‘Where Are the Jews?’: Academy Museum Patrons Baffled by Lack of Representation

    By TATIANA SIEGEL

    • Replies: @Jack D
  79. Jack D says:

    OT, they have now arrested the beast who shot and killed a Puerto Rican Burger King cashier in NY AFTER she gave him the money from the register. (Although they now explain that he shot her because there was a 2nd register and she didn’t get it open fast enough, so it was “justifiable” by the code of the streets and not just depraved).

    His name is Winston Glynn (named in honor of Winston Churchill?) – the name sounds more English Caribbean than ADOS.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10403325/Police-arrest-suspected-gunman-cold-blooded-killing-Burger-King-worker-19.html

    I love the film clip of the perp walk and a Hispanic man calls out to him, “Hey, basura!” (Hey, garbage!). Doesn’t he know that’s racis? American blax are gonna get the kid glove treatment when Latinos are running America, I’m sure.

  80. I have it! Guys like me and most iStevers shall be called…Prix. (Rhymes with sticks.) Stay safe.

  81. Mike Tre says:
    @International Jew

    The term safety is merely a synonym for “authority” anymore, and an antonym for “sensibility”. The material company I work for has gone off the rails with pushing its false concept of safety. I say false because the company is only concerned with avoiding liability for work place injuries sustained in the immediate sense, such as an injury from a slip, but not in the mediate sense, such as containing airborne particles known to cause cancer or replacing 15 year old commercial truck driver seats that are no better than sitting on milk crates.

  82. @Alden

    Peter Gallagher played “Sandy Cohen” on the OC.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  83. @Stealth

    Everybody is based in Brooklyn these days. Whatever happened to “based out of”? As in: Icepick Joe is a hit man based out of Philly.

  84. diva says:

    “My personal relationship to masculinity is fraught.” STFU. End. Nobody’s problem but yours. “Personal,” duh.

  85. nebulafox says:
    @S. Anonyia

    Moment you realize that certain people will wish ill for you or view you as more akin to a tool rather than a human being, no matter what you yourself do, say, or believe, it’s very liberating. You know to ignore them if possible, and if that’s not possible, you at least know not to trust them, to ensure that they get screwed over instead of you.

  86. Lurker says:
    @Muggles

    Frag the lieutenant nonbinary!

  87. nebulafox says:
    @James J O'Meara

    Schopenhauer was the quintessential European emo philosopher who would refuse to enjoy life even if it crawled up his ass.

  88. Lurker says:
    @Steve Sailer

    “Based in” is a British thing. To our ears “based out of” is purely American.

  89. @Steve Sailer

    Everybody is based in Brooklyn these days. Whatever happened to “based out of”? As in: Icepick Joe is a hit man based out of Philly.

    Bruce Springsteen wrote:

    Well, they blew up the chicken man in Philly last night
    And they blew up his house, too

    Levon Helm singing Bruce Springsteen’s Atlantic City:

  90. @EdwardM

    Watch Yellowstone instead, it’s full of toxic masculinity, beautiful scenery, fist fights, some humor, and plenty of killing. It’s also not very woke or has much diversity, which is rare, especially by today’s tv standards.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  91. @Stealth

    It’s corporate speak meaning “not from & not planning on staying”.

  92. Ian M. says:

    …many men have been trying to drop the stoicism and anger…

    Umm… stoicism and anger are sorta opposites.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  93. @I, Libertine

    I’d love to see it though, or storming up a hillside on Iwo Jima while hundreds of Japanese machine guns are trying to cut them down.

  94. If you asked all the NY Times journalists about Basque Separatists, I wonder what % of them would think it meant people who put their sexy underwear on a different wash cycle?

    I’m guessing: quite high.

    • Replies: @The Ringmaster
    , @Brutusale
  95. @Sick 'n Tired

    And “Yellowstone” is a huge hit.

  96. And future archeologists will still excavate their graves and find, decisively, men or women that match the Birth Certificate.

  97. El Dato says:
    @Ian M.

    “Towards the end, Hitler got progressively more stoically angry.”

  98. The ManKind Project and its New Warrior Weekend is among the most abusive cultic phenomena around, with distinct homoerotic overtones.

    This is a massive thread but if you look around you can find the gory details:

    https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?4,12552,page=1

    Incidentally, two men I know who were the closest of friends (and straight as they come) both enrolled and both committed suicide many years later within months of each other, so hard to say for sure if the ManKind Project was responsible.

    • Thanks: The Ringmaster
  99. martin_2 says:
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Ninety-nine point nine nine percent of love advice from women can be summarized as follows: “The fish isn’t going to tell you how to catch it.” And even that is generous in the sense that it credits women with knowing their own minds in an abstract sense.

    Chateau Heartiste made the somewhat convoluted point that women will not directly tell men what it is they find attractive in men, because there is the danger that lesser men will learn to imitate such behaviour and then they won’t be able to distinguish the alpha man from the lesser man. Instead, women will demand the opposite of what it is that they really want, so that lesser men will comply and she will know him for what he is, and alpha men will just ignore her and she will know him for what he is.

    The same principle explains why young white women are at the forefront of demands to abolish the police. In a peaceful, civilised setting, alpha men reluctantly follow the rules since they know that this is the way to get on in such a world. So alpha men are indistinguishable from other men. Only in a chaotic setting, where life is nasty, brutish and short, and male dominance and violence is rewarded, and alpha men can be themselves, are women able to identify the tough guys, the ones that give them tingles.

    I miss CH. His censorship by the liberal establishment was an act of cultural vandalism.

  100. El Dato says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    I don’t know for Messieur Singer but I doubt that Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk or Bill Gates have any control of the Fed whatsoever.

    OTOH, these are the times when “professors” need to be educaschioned about the most basic stuff on matters in which they are allegedly expert, and this on Twitter.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
  101. @Arclight

    Just call it a “freak of nature” and be done with it.

  102. JimDandy says:
    @Steve Sailer

    “Everybody is based in Brooklyn these days.’

    And no one in Brooklyn is based.

  103. @Stealth

    His base is in Brooklyn. Occasionally he goes on live-fire maneuvers on Fire Island.

    • LOL: Alden
  104. It’s fascinating yet pretty sad to see mental illness expressed in someone’s writing. Right now I am thankful for my dad who taught me to never hit a woman. And that a man always supported his family. He taught me to never start a fight but to never run away from one. First time I got my ass kicked in a fight when I was a kid he made me go back and finish the fight. He never let me wash dishes because that was women’s work. But he expected me to protect my sisters and woe to me if I neglected to do so.

    Too bad this poor writer did not have a dad to teach how to be a man.

  105. Liza says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Haven’t you ever seen the way they carry on at funerals of their leaders, though? Bawling and throwing themselves about.

  106. Dumbo says:

    Their debut novel, THE ATMOSPHERIANS, was published in May by Atria. Other writing appears in The Cut, BuzzFeed, Vulture, GQ, Elle, Vice, The Atlantic, Tin House, and elsewhere.

    So, basically, you need to be a “nonbinary writer” to be published anywhere these days? Because from this article it appears that he/she/it can’t write anything comprehensible or interesting. Also, it’s not clear if it’s a woman turned into a man or a homosexual or something else.

    received fellowships from The Bread Loaf Writers’ Conference, The Tin House Summer Workshop, The Sewanee Writers Conference, The Inprint Foundation, The Elizabeth George Foundation, and The National Parks Service.

    National Parks Service??

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    , @El Dato
  107. @Russell Upvittles

    OK I looked it up for some reason I was curious.

    In stark contrast to his stage persona, Yankovic is known by friends and associates to be polite, shy, and introverted, even among family.[14] He is a Christian, and a married couple from the church he attends can be seen in the background on the cover of his album Poodle Hat.[68][69] His religious upbringing is reflected in his abstinence from profanity, alcohol, and drugs.[70]

    Weird Al is so weird he is straight edge!

  108. Hibernian says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Lee J. Cobb played Judge Garth on The Virginian. Why not?

  109. tyrone says:
    @Reactive Reaction

    This may not end well.

    ….right, we gonna need a lot of popcorn.

  110. Stealth says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I hear that one occasionally.

  111. @Polistra

    The National Park Service?? Never mind, I don’t want to know.

    Well, we know it’s not for counting the crowds at the Mall. The NPS has refused to do that since 1995, and rightly so.

    NPS should take over Amtrak’s transcontinental routes. If they’re being kept alive for sentimental reasons (like the National Mall itself), at least be up-front about it.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  112. fish says:
    @Thea

    It wouldn’t surprise me if those turn out to be pretty good guesses!

  113. fish says:
    @Jack D

    What’s all the fuss…..In New York City this is just a misdemeanor offense now. Of no more consequence than jaywalking or getting caught with a small amount of marijuana.

  114. @Alrenous

    I have never before thought of the term “toxic femininity” (which, by the way, is an excellent example of the phenomenon that Steve often describes of prevalent word usage driving thought).

    I googled it. The first result is from Psychology Today, which defines it thusly:

    “Toxic femininity is when one works to the benefit of others but to the detriment of themselves.”

    It’s like this weird recursion where the fact of the proffered definition of the term is an example of something much closer to a natural meaning of toxic femininity, like “manipulative use of language and interaction to redefine what is in a woman’s material interest as a moral obligation to all of those around her.”

    I suspect the author’s real name is Leo Strauss or something.

    • Agree: Alrenous
    • Replies: @Veteran Aryan
    , @Alden
  115. Mr. Anon says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Everybody is based in Brooklyn these days. Whatever happened to “based out of”? As in: Icepick Joe is a hit man based out of Philly.

    Icepick Joey (Xe/Xer) is a non-binary hitman based in Philly. He moves through urban spaces at the intersection of social and economic exploitation and numbers and labor racketeering, interrogating narratives around the concepts of “Are you a rat?” and “Where is Carmine’s f**king money?!”. He is fiercely passionate about LGBT communities of color, social justice, and playing the ponies.

  116. @Stealth

    It makes sense for military people, eg “General Macarthur was based in Brisbane,” but is a bit self-important for some mere scribbler.

  117. @Dumbo

    Yes, most publishing houses almost exclusively sign POCs and thr alphabet crowd these days. Many of them have special periods where submissions are only open to POCs and LGBTQ authors. Even super white genres like fantasy follow this pattern. The types of books read by old ladies, like harlequins and Christian fiction, seem relatively unaffected. This probably partially explains why not as many books are sold as 20 years ago.

    Also “they” are a man turned into a non-binary woman. A Google search reveals that all of their writings focus on one subject…themselves.

    • Replies: @Sick 'n Tired
  118. @Steve Sailer

    Icepick Joe is a hit man based out of Philly.

    I always think of think of the exchange from The Sopranos when they’re discussing Christopher’s mob movie.

    J.T. Dolan : Well, we’ve been working on a new kind of slasher film, it takes in the world of you know…
    Christopher Moltisanti : [Interrupts him] It’s about a wise guy with a big mouth, and bigger dreams.
    J.T. Dolan : Anyway, they call him “butcher.”
    Silvio Dante : No, they don’t.
    Christopher Moltisanti : Why the fuck not?
    Silvio Dante : Need I remind you of a certain “butcher” out of AC?

  119. @Alden

    Re prostitute synonyms… tennis coach, pilates instructor…interior decorator? No, that last one is a bit too literal.

    Having myself just moved to a gorgeous resort town full of wealthy milfs and gilfs, I’m actually looking into the “private tour guide” business, should plan A fall through.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Mike Tre
  120. From Jack Handey’s Deep Thoughts:

    In all the time I was growing up, I only saw Dad cry two times. After the first time, I didn’t say anything. But after the second time I left a note on his dresser that said “See a psychiatrist.” I don’t know if he ever did, but at least I didn’t see him cry again.

  121. @al gore rhythms

    Reminds me of an old joke about the terrorists getting caught in the Spanish airport…it goes something something something… “don’t put all your Basques in the one exit.”

    • Replies: @al gore rhythms
  122. Jack D says:
    @JimDandy

    People here (and maybe some Jews too) don’t seem to get that when the Left wants to erase white people from history, that includes Jews too, who are just another type of white person to BIPOCs.

    Instead of tributes to those Old Hollywood pioneers, the dozen-plus exhibits that would open to the public five days later included more contemporary-skewing fare, such as Director’s Inspiration: Spike Lee and Installation: Pedro Almodóvar.

    They also had an exhibit on Japanese animator Miyazaki but nothing about Walt Disney.

    For a museum meant to be about Hollywood history, it doesn’t have much history because history does not feature enough BIPOCs.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  123. Jim Lahey says:
    @Jack D

    From your link:
    The Jamaican immigrant was being led out of the 25th Precinct stationhouse…
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10403325/Police-arrest-suspected-gunman-cold-blooded-killing-Burger-King-worker-19.html

    Nice inference.

  124. @Recently Based

    “Toxic femininity is when one works to the benefit of others but to the detriment of themselves.”

    “My only fault is that I care too much.”

    • Agree: El Dato
    • Replies: @Alrenous
  125. @I, Libertine

    Love to see it, if I was a German.

  126. Alden says:
    @beavertales

    Preforming correctly. Sounds like Olympic tryouts or auditions for ballet companies.

  127. JimDandy says:
    @Jack D

    The Jews complaining in this case aren’t complaining about the absence of white people. With all due respect, I disagree that the left wants to erase Jews. Have you seen the makeup of Biden’s cabinet? I can pull it up.

  128. @Achmed E. Newman

    OK, women with dicks.

    As the song says at 1:43, “Miami Beach,chicks with dicks!”

  129. Alden says:
    @The Ringmaster

    Private come to your home yoga exercise whatever instructor.

    Enjoy

  130. @Jack D

    The Daily Mail said the killer, one Winston Glynn, was a “Jamaican immigrant.”

  131. “This sentence is incomprehensible due to the now common use of the “their” as a singular term.”

    Actually, there is some precedent for this kind of thing. Queen Victoria was the among the first to use “we” as a singular term (especially when referring to herself). As in “We are not amused.” (Rather than using the singular “I” instead). Hence the royal “we” in place of “I”.

    • Replies: @Etruscan Film Star
  132. Alden says:
    @anonymous

    Going off birth control pills is not noticeable. 15 -20 years of artificial pregnancy does not show any affects good or bad after 60 years of the pill But pregnancy is natural for women. And in the good old days many women were naturally pregnant at least 10 or more times between 20 and 40. Lots of miscarriages and still births kept the population down..

    Pregnancy is not natural for men. Normal masculine dosages of testosterone is not natural for women. But M-F trannies have been taking artificial estrogen and other female hormones for about 65 years now. If there were ill effects the medical industry would bury them anyway.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  133. Alden says:
    @Alrenous

    I believe the story about his friend not allowing him it they not to cry about his grandfather is a lie.

    Who notices what other people think about one? I never have in my life.

  134. There’s that fag talk again…

  135. @The Ringmaster

    Or if Basque became independent, say, this year, it would become a great quiz question for the future equivalent of a jeopardy-era Steve Sailer*

    Q/What country took off all her underwear in 2022?

    A/Spain (removing her Basque).

    * or the woman that beat him.

  136. El Dato says:
    @Dumbo

    National Parks Service?

    I never trusted Smokey the Bear.

  137. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Veteran Aryan

    The normative total lack of humility in women is of course not toxic at all. Being arrogant just is being too nice, right? 🙃

  138. @Stealth

    Its kind of a signal that he’s one of the hip anywheres, not one of those icky somewheres. At any moment he might jet of to Tokyo, London or Paris, you see.

    Somewheres live in places; anywheres are based in places.

  139. Spect3r says:
    @EdwardM

    It’s actually not bad (i watched the 1st season) and I have no idea why he came up with that example.

  140. @anonymous

    anonymous[139] asked:

    What’s with these waves of metro types, fluid, trans and all the rest of the mind-blurring categories?

    “The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation.”

    The anthropologist Ernest Gellner argued that modern regimes constitute “Danegeld states”: to put it crudely, the ruling elite gives us lots of stuff — entertainment, material comforts, and the opportunity to party — and in exchange we put up with the exactions of the ruling elite.

    In the end, it is not humanly satisfying. A large part of the population have “bullshit jobs” (to use the phrase the late Dave Graeber used for one of his books); the elite are stupid, dishonest, and corrupt; and we give up our own personal integrity by accepting the system and the decadence of the elite.

    Oh, and forming families and raising children just does not fit in that well with the hedonist ethos of the “Danegeld state.”

    And so people express their desperation is all sort of ways: Leftist activism, substance addiction, rejection of human biology, etc..

    One way or another, the Danegeld regimes will not endure.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  141. dearieme says:

    If only white men hadn’t written so many songs that people still enjoy decades later,

    Whatever happened to the black tunesmiths? From Scott Joplin’s rags through to the early jazzmen lots of excellent stuff was written. I’m trying to think of the most recent black tunes I still attempt to whistle. A couple of Sid Bechet’s I think.

    Why did it all go to hell?

  142. Mike Tre says:
    @The Ringmaster

    On dating websites they’re known as small business owners.

    • Agree: The Ringmaster
  143. Tracy says:
    @Stealth

    I hate “based in.” It’s absurd. More and more, I hear ordinary people use this expression to tell others where they live, and it irritates the piss out of me.

    The funny thing is that there’s nothing at all “based” about these people. They’ve never met a blue pill they didn’t get hooked on.

    • Replies: @Etruscan Film Star
  144. nebulafox says:
    @PhysicistDave

    They won’t. Rotten structures are always bound to fall sooner or later, particularly if they also ignore the realities of human nature. Nobody has good luck and good times indefinitely. Not much to be done there.

    Whether what replaces it is better or worse is another question: and one worth considering. Don’t say it can’t get worse, because there are always innovators, and the universe almost seems to instinctively issue a rebuttal. The 1980s Soviet Union sucked, but what Russians went through in the 1990s sucked even worse. (And don’t even get me started on Yugoslavia.) Here’s what we do control: not going down that road and building something better instead.

    “You don’t have to be responsible for the world that you’re in.”

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  145. nebulafox says:
    @Alden

    >Pregnancy is not natural for men.

    Pregnancy is physically *impossible* for men. I mean this in a literal, blunt, physical way, not a moral or psychological one: we have our organs on the outside, our hips cannot support gestation, childbirth, yadda yadda yadda. If you can get pregnant, you aren’t a man! Basically everything about men-women relations throughout 5000 years of human history boils down to this one, single difference.

    These guys are neither men nor women. Just freaks. They envied the organ they didn’t have and neglected the one they did to the point where they mutilated themselves into the biological equivalent of Dante’s non-committals in Canto 3.

    • Replies: @Alden
  146. Alden says:
    @nebulafox

    Yes yes yes. I know all about pregnancy. It is physically anatomical and physiology impossible for men.

    But the Doctors Frankenstein are working on it.

    The Doctors Frankenstein claim it would be possible to implant an embryo they created in a laboratory somewhere in a man’s abdomen. And create an artificial umbilical cord to feed the baby with the man’s arterial blood. From some artery. And give the man the hormones to make him throw up and feel headachy and woozy. Those hormones that make the mother throw up make the baby grow and thrive. So the pregnant man would need extra high doses.

    Since there’s no womb and birth canal there would have to be surgery to remove the baby at the proper time. They have perfected uterus transplant into men. Or claim they have. The eggs or ovum are the problem.

    But they still haven’t figured out how to do a real pregnancy . Meaning a baby girl born with 400 teeny tiny little eggs that mature after 11-13 years.

    It’s probably more lucrative and pleasant to work in a lab and have someone to grant hustle for the money than work with patients and have to deal with insurance company reluctance to compensate the practice for patient care.

    • Replies: @Sick 'n Tired
  147. Alden says:
    @S. Anonyia

    Not upper middle class. Poor as in so poor to be eligible for food stamps and that poor people’s subsidy for winter heat bills so they don’t freeze the landlord’s pipes in winter.

    It’s so so fashionable to use Uber. Because they can’t afford a car. This guy doesn’t even have a job. Described himself as a Fellowship Garnerer.

    This what happens to White men after 2 generations of ferociously enforced affirmative action. Unemployable by government decree.

  148. @S. Anonyia

    I was in a Barnes & Nobel recently and it seemed like more than 1/2 of all the new books were written by women, POC, or both. Lots of new books about being black, black slights, white mans racist, etc.

  149. @El Dato

    Federal Reserve Bank Chairman Jerome Powell goes to the Swamp City DC mansion compound of Jeff Bezos and he takes his marching orders.

    The big banks and the billionaires own and control the Organized Crime Syndicate known as the Federal Reserve Bank.

  150. @Stealth

    It’s a class thing. It says “I choose to be here but I could be anywhere else I wanted”. The educated rich liberal class no longer lives somewhere, they are based in or based out of one or more places. Settling down in one location and establishing roots there is for the poors who can’t afford to hop around multiple cities or countries every other month.

  151. @Jack D

    American whites have lost the will to contain blacks’ rampant criminality. Luckily for whites, Latinos have absolutely zero inhibitions about using whatever brutal level of police force necessary and the word ‘racism’ also has zero Pavlovian effect on them.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  152. Alden says:
    @Recently Based

    First time I heard the term toxic feminist. I thought it meant just being bitchy but in a feminine way.

  153. smetana says:

    Alex McElroy is a nonbinary

    Weird Al

    • Replies: @Sick 'n Tired
  154. @JimDandy

    With all due respect, I disagree that the left wants to erase Jews. Have you seen the makeup of Biden’s cabinet?

    You mean his bathroom cabinet? I expect his handlers make sure he applies it every day.

  155. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Queen Victoria was the among the first to use “we” as a singular term (especially when referring to herself). As in “We are not amused.”

    As Mark Twain is said to have remarked about who was eligible to use the singular “we”: editors, royalty, and people with tapeworms.

  156. @Tracy

    The funny thing is that there’s nothing at all “based” about these people. They’ve never met a blue pill they didn’t get hooked on.

    How could there be anything based about them? They’ve debased themselves.

  157. Hibernian says:
    @JimDandy

    With all due respect, I disagree that the left wants to erase Jews.

    Depends which part of the Left you’re talking about. For which see, Omar, Ilhan, and Tlaib, Rashida.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  158. @nebulafox

    nebulafox wrote to me:

    Whether what replaces it is better or worse is another question: and one worth considering. Don’t say it can’t get worse, because there are always innovators, and the universe almost seems to instinctively issue a rebuttal. The 1980s Soviet Union sucked, but what Russians went through in the 1990s sucked even worse. (And don’t even get me started on Yugoslavia.) Here’s what we do control: not going down that road and building something better instead.

    Indeed.

    The existing Danelgeld states — what are inaccurately called “capitalist democracies” — are not going to last: aside from the fact that they are fiscally, financially, and monetarily unstable, they are destructive of the human soul.

    They are basically what Aldous Huxley warned of in Brave New World.

    The problem is, when they fall, how do we minimize the harm done to innocent people and try to rebuild from under the rubble.

    By the way, First Things has an interesting essay just up on Ivan Illich, another of those “righteous leftists” who tried to see the world clearly (of course the Left turned against him when he tried to talk seriously about gender).

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Gabe Ruth
  159. @Alden

    Jewish communist Forward

    The Forward was actually Socialist and anti-Communist.

  160. @Alden

    , masseuse , dinner companion, private tour guide, cleaning service maid, therapist, public relations, driver, private dance lessons. There are many terms for prostitute.

    Hans Eysenck famously said that”Psychotherapy is the prostitution of friendship.”

    • Replies: @Alden
  161. @Alden

    The movie being made about the 1973 attempt to conquer Egypt.

    What on Earth are you talking about? Is there some dispute that the 1973 war began by Egypt invading across the Suez? Was the invasion of France in 1940 an attempt to conquer Germany?

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Alden
  162. Alden says:
    @kaganovitch

    So why did the Forward have busts and pictures of Marx all over support every horrible murderous thing the Soviet Union ever did support the communist massacres in Spain support the Rosenbergs Harry Gold and every soviet spy ever caught worship Castro and Daniel Ortega and hate and despise every country and person who opposed communism?

    Communists have hidden behind the socialist label for more than 100 years.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  163. Alden says:
    @kaganovitch

    Very good talk therapy is paying someone to listen to you bitch and whine when all your friends and relatives refuse to listen to you anymore.

  164. Alden says:
    @kaganovitch

    However it began, Israel did invade and attempt to conquer Egypt in 1973.

  165. jxh says:

    The left loves to glorify indigenous people, but one thing that is almost universal among those cultures is that boys are raised very differently than girls, with a priority on self control and strength.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
  166. J.Ross says:
    @kaganovitch

    What’s most adorable about your academic nonsense is that, insofar as neo-Nazis actually exist, their main obsession is ideological purity litmus testing, and explaining why their nominal colleagues are actually traitors because of like wearing a uniform wrong or something.

  167. J.Ross says:
    @PhysicistDave

    Breggin, Zelensky, and a clutch of mainstream, conventionally trained, accredited medical doctors, who have been strongly critical of Chairman Dan Andrews’ bid to crush the Gang of Four Hundred Thousand, actually make this accusation. They have solid reputations and attach those reputations to the claim that the gig is up, social security is going to fail sooner than any libertarian bet it would, and thus “covid” is actually about controlling the collapse and establishing the new model. They say they have government and corporate documents. I am waiting for their book.

  168. “Nobody likes a crybaby.”

    That was advice I heard from my older brothers several times in my 3rd and 4th year. Some of the best advice I’ve ever had. I became brave and strong and did great things.

    Next up for cancel culture: Marcus Aurelius.

  169. @Alden

    So why did the Forward have busts and pictures of Marx all over support every horrible murderous thing the Soviet Union ever did support the communist massacres in Spain support the Rosenbergs Harry Gold and every soviet spy ever caught worship Castro and Daniel Ortega and hate and despise every country and person who opposed communism? Communists have hidden behind the socialist label for more than 100 years.

    It’s true that Communists have hidden behind the Socialist label, but that doesn’t mean all
    Socialists were Communists in sheep’s clothing. I assume you would agree that Orwell was not a Communist despite his professed Socialism? Neither was Abe Cahan, editor of the Forverts for the first Half of the 20th century. As regards the specific issues you raise, far from supporting the USSR, Cahan proclaimed in 1923 “Russia has at present less freedom than it had in the earliest days of Romanov rule … The world has never seen such a despotism.” This was a much more anti-Soviet position than that espoused by the disgraceful NY Times, despite the Times not being Socialist.

    The Forverts hatred for the USSR was well known. The Worker, which was the mouthpiece of the CPUSA, wrote of Cahan “He is a a notorious Bolshevik baiter” and his remarks a “compilation of the most loathsome backstairs gossip against Soviet Russia, emanating from the journalistic house of prostitution of the entire capitalist world .”

    Again ,in contrast with the supposedly centrist loathsome NYT coverage of the Holodomor, the Forverts printed eyewitness accounts of the mass starvation that accompanied Stalin’s collectivization of agriculture. In the Rosenberg case, the Forverts prominently supported the prosecution case and declared the Rosenbergs guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt. They didn’t support the death penalty for Ethel though, but then again neither did J. Edgar Hoover.

    In short, the Forverts may have been a wretched Socialist rag, but it was sincerely anti-Soviet.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Alden
  170. Mx. McElroy

    Just yesterday I was wondering how we as a society were going to solve the Mr./Ms. problem.

    I wonder what the New York Times will do.

  171. Brutusale says:
    @al gore rhythms

    “All these newspapers used to have foreign bureaus,” Rhodes told the Times in May. “Now they don’t. They call us to explain to them what’s happening in Moscow and Cairo. Most of the outlets are reporting on world events from Washington. The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old, and their only reporting experience consists of being around political campaigns. That’s a sea change.”

    “They literally know nothing.”–Ben Rhodes, Obama staffer

    • Replies: @al gore rhythms
  172. @Brutusale

    Even that might be tolerable if they were open minded with it. and were able to just report what they found. But as well as being ignorant they are also biased, bigoted, closed minded and unable to learn anyything which does not fit in with their pre-existing view of the world.

  173. @smetana

    Weird Al is a national treasure and puts on a great concert. Don’t smear his good name like that.

  174. Alden says:
    @kaganovitch

    If you say so. Minions of Satan are minions of Satan whatever they label themselves. The Forward was passionately pro civil rights for all but Whites pro school integration worshipped MLK etc.

    Commies , socialists , minions of Satan , liberals, democrats they’re all the same. Anti the White race and destructive to me and mine.

  175. J.Ross says:

    I agree that “other writing” does appear “in The Cut, Buzzfeed,” etc, but what does that have to do with anything?
    —————
    J.Ross is a commentator on Unz.com. Other commentaries exist through such publishers as Phaidon, The Everyman Library, Ivan Dee, Alfred Knopf, The National Textbook Company, and Benedikt Taschen.

  176. J.Ross says:

    Think of the boyfriend professing loneliness to ensure his partner never sees their friends.

    This sentence is incomprehensible due to the now common use of the “their” as a singular term.

    Wait, this actually works if he’s referring to their mutual friends. I originally wanted to object “what if he’s gay?” (Picture Buddy Cole professing loneliness to several friends in series.)
    ———-
    Ha! Nesting blockquotes work!

  177. J.Ross says:

    It remains disturbing to me that as open and shut a case of self defense as Rittenhouse ever made it to trial, and furthermore that highly educated retards honestly think he did anything wrong. But it could’ve been worse, look at the McMichaels.
    Result of the McMichaels: if you are confronted with danger, close your heart to mercy, do not try to preserve life other than your own, and forget totally about tolerating police interference. If you try to wait for the professionals you’re committing suicide. An anon was arguing recently using “mystery murder” statistics that this is exactly what’s happening. Dead bodies found without explanation. Maybe they had wuflu.
    And as for the soyboys: just wait. They don’t defend themselves and they don’t have kids.

  178. Gabe Ruth says:
    @PhysicistDave

    Illich is great, I think of him as an ancient holy man from a weird new religious synthesis in Dune, a Daoist Christian.

    Lots of people think schools are counterproductive. This man says hospitals should be abolished, an idea whose time has come.

    The Way was lost
    “Benevolence and righteousness” were put in its place
    By skill and cunning (having lost original simplicity)
    Great hypocrisy ensued

    Humanitarianism and moraliy are not proclaimed
    And a spontaneous solidarity will return to rule in society
    Utilitarian goals will be devalued, self-absorbed action will be despised
    And guilty acts will vanish in society.

  179. @Arclight

    True, but misses a much more important point.

    From the New York Times opinion section… By Alex McElroy

    The former proper name is considerably more significant than the latter. Without the imprimatur (and the reach) of the NYT, McElroy would be shouting into the void; a schizophrenic muttering on a street corner. In other words, the relevant question is not really: “What kinds of freaks and outliers can we find in society, and what are the specifics of their insane world views?”

    Society will always have freaks, outliers, and eccentrics.

    A better question would be: “Why is the Sulzberger Blog* choosing to endorse and promote the long-discredited trope that even fake and ghey versions of masculinity are unacceptable in the current year?”

    Or, to go a level deeper: “Why are all major ‘academic’ institutions so focused on creating pilpul-laden meta-narratives in support of various weird perversions and paraphilias?”

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=gender+studies&ia=web
    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=queer+theory&ia=web

    These are the questions that the 98% should be asking.

    *The preeminent narrative promotion agency in the North American Economic Zone in the current year.

  180. @kaganovitch

    Fact check:

    1. “The [Jewish Daily] Forward was…”

    No, it still is:

    https://forward.com/

    2. “Socialist and anti-Communist”

    Of course — that’s why they had relief portraits of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels {the notorious co-authors of the, uh, Socialist anti-Communist Manifesto] on the facade of their old building at 175 East Broadway on the Lower East Side.

    Uh huh. Das rite.

    Verdict: FALSE

    More importantly, Lazar’s framing of the issue is a category error — the Jewish Daily Forward’s orientation has always been primarily tribal, rather than ideological. There focus has always been more on promoting semitic supremacism than on endorsing a particular (ostensibly “universalist”) utopian economic system. Appropriately enough, their current offices are located in the Financial District, where they’re busy shilling for neoliberal capitalism — but still promoting semitic supremacism.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  181. @S. Anonyia

    This guy is trans and non-binary? From the picture he looks like an ordinary, plain-looking man with slightly long hair.

    “Non-binary” (see also “queer”) often serves as a way to verbally demonstrate one’s loyalty to the hegemonic narrative/ state religion without the inconvenience of having to fornicate with members of one’s own sex, take cross-sex hormones, undergo genital mutilation surgery, etc.

    A more enthusiastic version of “pronouns in bio,” in other words.

    See also so-called “queer theory” — a nonsensical mashup of Foucault, (((critical theory))), homosexualism, and radical feminism that amounts to generalized deconstruction of the concepts of sex and sexual preference: “They’re all fake and gay ‘social constructs’, so just believe whatever I say.” Plus a whole lot of intricate, meaningless rhetoric that serves to “justify” this tactical nihilism.

    The larger underlying message is the same one we see so often from a certain group — the primacy of narrative over reality.

  182. @James Forrestal

    There focus has always been more on promoting semitic supremacism than on endorsing a particular (ostensibly “universalist”) utopian economic system.

    Whoops. Should be “Their,” of course. For example:

    https://forward.com/opinion/438029/the-new-socialism-like-the-old-will-not-protect-jews/

  183. J.Ross says:
    @kaganovitch

    “When a demon captures a monster, I, as a man, can only hope that they both die.”

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