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From the New York Times opinion section:
Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police
Because reform won’t happen.By Mariame Kaba
Mariame Kaba (@prisonculture) is the director of Project NIA, a grass-roots group that works to end youth incarceration, and an anti-criminalization organizer.June 12, 2020
… Congressional Democrats want to make it easier to identify and prosecute police misconduct; Joe Biden wants to give police departments $300 million. But efforts to solve police violence through liberal reforms like these have failed for nearly a century.
Enough. We can’t reform the police. The only way to diminish police violence is to reduce contact between the public and the police.
… So when you see a police officer pressing his knee into a black man’s neck until he dies, that’s the logical result of policing in America. When a police officer brutalizes a black person, he is doing what he sees as his job.
Now two weeks of nationwide protests have led some to call for defunding the police, while others argue that doing so would make us less safe. …
We can’t simply change their job descriptions to focus on the worst of the worst criminals. That’s not what they are set up to do.
Second, a “safe” world is not one in which the police keep black and other marginalized people in check through threats of arrest, incarceration, violence and death.
The concept of the state having a monopoly on violence is so over.
Also, we need Gun Control Now.
I’ve been advocating the abolition of the police for years. Regardless of your view on police power — whether you want to get rid of the police or simply to make them less violent — here’s an immediate demand we can all make: Cut the number of police in half and cut their budget in half. Fewer police officers equals fewer opportunities for them to brutalize and kill people. The idea is gaining traction in Minneapolis, Dallas, Los Angeles and other cities.
… The surest way of reducing police violence is to reduce the power of the police, by cutting budgets and the number of officers.
But don’t get me wrong. We are not abandoning our communities to violence. We don’t want to just close police departments. We want to make them unnecessary.
We should redirect the billions that now go to police departments toward providing health care, housing, education and good jobs. If we did this, there would be less need for the police in the first place.
Of course. Why hasn’t this idea ever been tried? I’ve studied American history closely up to the most recent event of any importance — the death of Emmett Till — and have never heard of the government spending money on health care, housing, education and good jobs. How do we know it won’t work until we try it?
We can build other ways of responding to harms in our society. Trained “community care workers” could do mental-health checks if someone needs help. Towns could use restorative-justice models instead of throwing people in prison. …
When people, especially white people, consider a world without the police, they envision a society as violent as our current one, merely without law enforcement — and they shudder. As a society, we have been so indoctrinated with the idea that we solve problems by policing and caging people that many cannot imagine anything other than prisons and the police as solutions to violence and harm.
People like me who want to abolish prisons and police, however, have a vision of a different society, built on cooperation instead of individualism, on mutual aid instead of self-preservation. What would the country look like if it had billions of extra dollars to spend on housing, food and education for all? This change in society wouldn’t happen immediately, but the protests show that many people are ready to embrace a different vision of safety and justice.
OT
Reading a homeless report about Los Angeles homelessness referenced in the L.A. Times today, this stood out to me:
One of the recommendations to reduce the staggeringly disproportionate number of blacks on the streets was to get rid of rules in homeless shelters, and let blacks “do what they want” in the shelters. Sounds good to me. Let’s dedicate Catalina Island to the black homeless, seizing the land via eminent domain and keeping the Coast Guard in the channel between the island and the coast, since for the first two or three years, before the island is denuded, there may be log rafts headed for Newport Beach.
Safest place I ever lived. All the low-lifes robbed people of means; not us. Drug users bought their crap at the 7/11 down the road, and the management/maids/groundskeepers were constantly high on meth. Interesting place to live.
I enjoyed it. Nobody died there in the three years I lived there (a couple ODed but survived), but while I lived in Belize (6 years), I PERSONALLY knew around 12 people who'd been murdered, mostly by Dindus, plus one SERIAL KILLER. I'll take the homeless motel anytime, as long as it's not in the middle of n-word town.Replies: @Gabe Ruth, @Anonymous
YES YES YES
ABOLISH THE POLICE!!!
Let blacks fight with blacks. Let them settle their own problems.
Let the blacks attack the libby-dib yuppie-dups.
Abolish!!!!
While we are at it, however, can we also please de-fund the CIA and the rest of the Deep State?
Abolish police and we need gun control?
Honor system about the guns I take it?
“So when you see a police officer pressing his knee into a black man’s neck until he dies …”
Whether conservative or leftist, everyone seems to be singing from the same hymn book: the police officer murdered the black suspect and it was horrible.
Am I the only person who remembers Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown?
Both of those hate hoaxes were presented to us as clear cases of racist murder committed by white men against innocent black men. To question the narrative, or fail to exhibit mindless hysteria, was to mark oneself as an evil racist, a white supremacist, a sinner beyond redemption or forgiveness.
Only later did we learn that every word we’d been told was a lie, including “and” and “the.” I do not know if the George Floyd case will turn out the same, but it has the same cast of characters.
It would be hilarious if we found out that George Floyd’s golden casket had been ordered several weeks before his death, to be occupied by whatever criminal was anointed martyr of the moment.
https://youtu.be/8bJOEFlFDo8Replies: @vhrm, @fritter
The knee-neck hold has been used by the police thousands of times over the last few years in the US, and the MSM seems to have had a very hard time finding any previous fatality. If Floyd turns out to have been just about the only American to have ever died from that restraint technique, perhaps it's more than purely coincidental that he had a lethal level of illegal drugs in his system when he expired.
These sorts of issues were hotly debated in the 70,000 words of a recent Fred Reed comment-thread:
https://www.unz.com/freed/her-name-is-breanna-taylor/Replies: @Jorge Videla, @Wilkey
It's pretty clear his death was a hit to protect the local counterfeiting ring.
The people crying to abolish the police are the same ones who want CPS to use the police to remove children from their parents.
They don’t realize that taking away the government’s enforcement arm changes things.
https://mtntactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Screen-Shot-2017-03-04-at-10.03.15-AM.png
The modern FBI is 4.5% black. Which means this photo below of the 1963 class of new FBI agents is more diverse than the modern FBI
https://jerriwilliams.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Wayne-New-Agent-Class.png
Weird we never hear any outcry against the lily-white FBI. 🤔Replies: @Mr. Anon
We could call them “block captains” and give them keys to all the houses on the block, to do mental health checks on aging wypipo every day. Every. Single. Day!
BLACK PENSIONS MATTER.
Middle class Blacks can have a pretty good life working for the police and other city bureaucracies. Black women in particular can work some police job that likely never puts them in the shit.
If I was a Black political leader, I would be fighting for these jobs tooth and nail. There is a definite class aspect to the current anti-cop hysteria with the over educated and indoctrinated youth burdened with massive amounts of college debt targeting less educated, more blue collar civil servants with generous pensions and benefit packages.
There is only so much money left in the kitty in the dying American Empire and the woke NGO and academia crowd want to move in on the money and pensions of urban working class civil servants.
Mariame Kaba was born in New York City to parents who had immigrated from Guinea and the Ivory Coast. She grew up in the Lower East Side of Manhattan and attended Lycée Français (2020-2021 Tuition & Fees: Nursery-3 to 12th-grade Tuition: $39,340).
“Nia” means “with purpose” in Swahili.
Stop The Invasion!
http://heymancenter.org/images/made/images/persons/mariamekaba_200_170_s_c1.jpg
How would the billions of dollars of taxes saved by defunding police be collected? Donations and dollar printer go brrrr?
The growing religious frenzy of started by St Floyd reminds me of an earlier black religious frenzy:
In April, 1856 two girls, one named Nongqawuse, went to scare birds out of the fields. When she returned, she told her uncle Mhlakaza that she had met three spirits at the bushes, and that they had told her that all cattle should be slaughtered, and their crops destroyed. On the day following the destruction, the dead Xhosa would return and help expel the whites. The ancestors would bring cattle with them to replace those that had been killed. Mhlakaza believed the prophecy, and repeated it to the chief Sarhili.
Sarhili ordered the commands of the spirits to be obeyed. At first, the Xhosa were ordered to destroy their fat cattle. Nongqawuse, standing in the river where the spirits had first appeared, heard unearthly noises, interpreted by her uncle as orders to kill more and more cattle. At length, the spirits commanded that not an animal of all their herds was to remain alive, and every grain of corn was to be destroyed. If that were done, on a given date, myriads of cattle more beautiful than those destroyed would issue from the earth, while great fields of corn, ripe and ready for harvest, would instantly appear. The dead would rise, trouble and sickness vanish, and youth and beauty come to all alike. Unbelievers and the white man would on that day perish.
In the aftermath of the crisis, the population of British Kaffraria dropped from 105,000 to fewer than 27,000 due to the resulting famine.
https://youtu.be/O1hCLBTD5RM
If we’re going to rehash arguments from half a century about the link between crime and “underlying causes,” can we also bring back the culture and music we had a half century ago?
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https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2020/03/a-first-look-at-steven-spielbergs-west-side-storyReplies: @Mr. Anon
Steve, i’d like to take issue with the “NYT:…” piece of your headline. This is an opinion piece by some anti-police guy printed on their opinion page. I don’t think it’s fair to say the NYT said this.
(Yes, i’m aware of the Sen. Tom Cotton -> fired Opinion page editor fiasco of a few days ago, but still. )
Whether conservative or leftist, everyone seems to be singing from the same hymn book: the police officer murdered the black suspect and it was horrible.
Am I the only person who remembers Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown?
Both of those hate hoaxes were presented to us as clear cases of racist murder committed by white men against innocent black men. To question the narrative, or fail to exhibit mindless hysteria, was to mark oneself as an evil racist, a white supremacist, a sinner beyond redemption or forgiveness.
Only later did we learn that every word we'd been told was a lie, including "and" and "the." I do not know if the George Floyd case will turn out the same, but it has the same cast of characters.
It would be hilarious if we found out that George Floyd's golden casket had been ordered several weeks before his death, to be occupied by whatever criminal was anointed martyr of the moment.Replies: @Kronos, @Ron Unz, @The Wild Geese Howard, @68W58
It really does have those signs. The interview posted below is superb.
Here's my layperson's argument from a few days ago about why i don't think they'll get convicted (which covers some of the same stuff):
https://www.unz.com/isteve/why-does-the-stock-market-keep-going-up/#comment-3955488
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But one thing they spend a bit of time on is that chokes aren't that bad (and it's not even clear that they actually chocked him here)... and they're probably much preferable to alternatives.
If you hit youtube and look at MMA chokeouts vs ground and pound ... which would YOU want to be on the receiving end of ? i'll opt for the chokeout, thanks.Replies: @Kronos
Whatever comes about, there will still have to be police units to protect blacks from armed white ‘rioters’ and an IRS to collect everyone’s fair share of taxes.
Reading a homeless report about Los Angeles homelessness referenced in the L.A. Times today, this stood out to me:One of the recommendations to reduce the staggeringly disproportionate number of blacks on the streets was to get rid of rules in homeless shelters, and let blacks “do what they want” in the shelters. Sounds good to me. Let’s dedicate Catalina Island to the black homeless, seizing the land via eminent domain and keeping the Coast Guard in the channel between the island and the coast, since for the first two or three years, before the island is denuded, there may be log rafts headed for Newport Beach.Replies: @Michelle, @Pissedoffalese, @Olorin
If you watch the documentary on the Bagwan Rajneesh cult, the very best segments, besides any starring the utterly (still) beautiful and devinely crazy, Ma Anand Sheela, you can see the point where the cult took in hundreds of homeless people off of various and sundry streets to try and influence a vote. The cult ended up kicking out most of the homeless people because, the homeless people were independent and disinclined to follow rules, especially rules, a la Karen and Becky.
While we’re at it, how about we abolish the FBI? I would like to re-imagine federal-level law enforcement without a coterie of partisan, arrogant, and deeply dishonest high officials putting their agency’s knee on the laws of the land for some three years so they could overthrow the democratically elected President of the United States.
In 2018 there were ten million uneventful arrests and 400 resulting in suspects being killed by police. It’s amazing how our attention can be focused by the media.
Has anyone thought about the consequences of the ten million arrests not being made?
The answer of course is “no”. But who cares, now that we’ve established that if the failure rate of an institution is just 400/10000000 or about 0.004% we toss the whole thing. At that rate, the constitution itself is doomed.
As for the constitution being doomed, it was doomed when Civil Right legislation killed freedom of assembly. Now, it's clearly dead and buried. Thus, always to democracies.Replies: @Anon7
Is this all for real, or is this just one giant psy-op? Was the whole goal here was to precipitate a mass casualty event, which in turn would predicate a military coup? Some of these people actually believed the Russia Hoax, so maybe they thought this could actually happen.
Anyway, since intraracial violence seems to bother absolutely no one, there’s apparently no reason to worry about that. Mercenaries will be able to earn a living without killing foreigners, as they will be finding plenty of security jobs in the US as wealthy neighborhoods start to look like those in Brazil. The cost of maintaining fire departments will go down as there are fewer and fewer unburned buildings left to protect. Herd immunity against arson! What a glorious future it will be.
Except for the lower class white neighborhoods stuck in the more diverse areas, things might get kind of ugly there.
At some point we are going to need Snake Pliskin.
Looks like John Carpenter was premature by about 35 years.
"In 1988, the crime rate in the United States rises four hundred percent..."
They don't realize that taking away the government's enforcement arm changes things.Replies: @Anon
There will still be overall enforcement from the whitest law enforcement agency in the U.S.
The modern FBI is 4.5% black. Which means this photo below of the 1963 class of new FBI agents is more diverse than the modern FBI
Weird we never hear any outcry against the lily-white FBI. 🤔
Do the Guinness people have a world’s lowest IQ ever measured record Category?
What white rioters? In the cities there will hardly be any white people left, if the police are abolished there. The whites will leave.
Status report: Rural (not suburban, but real boondocks) property values / house prices are rising and the realtors are busy. These areas already have quite a few non-POC and non-Jewish refugees from urban areas / South Africa / Russia. Difference is that this wave of refugees have money. The previous couple of waves had camper trailers / tents and lived on unimproved lots _way_ out in the woods, no electricity, sometimes no wells. That was apparently better than urban areas, rather like the experience of Pissedoffalese (https://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-yes-we-mean-literally-abolish-the-police/#comment-3963285).
Local social services are working hard to destroy what organization remains, quite often by family destruction. Local Mennonites don't seem to be able to stop the social services, but would like to.
It remains to be seen whether the current monied wave of urban refugees will succeed in establishing urban political structures in rural areas.
lefties have plenty of causes that they have used the police to enforce. A huge one has been domestic violence. I’ll bet domestic violence enforcement takes up a large percentage of police activity every year. Domestic violence reporting (to the police) and arrests are mandatory by these laws, wonder how the left will reconcile this with “defunding the police”. imho a lot of these laws are draconian and I wouldn’t mind seeing them go, but it’s hard to imagine feminists letting that happen.
>Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police<
Abolishing the NYT and other msm parasites would be more beneficial to society.
Middle class Blacks can have a pretty good life working for the police and other city bureaucracies. Black women in particular can work some police job that likely never puts them in the shit.
If I was a Black political leader, I would be fighting for these jobs tooth and nail. There is a definite class aspect to the current anti-cop hysteria with the over educated and indoctrinated youth burdened with massive amounts of college debt targeting less educated, more blue collar civil servants with generous pensions and benefit packages.
There is only so much money left in the kitty in the dying American Empire and the woke NGO and academia crowd want to move in on the money and pensions of urban working class civil servants.Replies: @Kronos, @Redneck farmer
Any starting bets on who’ll win?
The growing religious frenzy of started by St Floyd reminds me of an earlier black religious frenzy:
In April, 1856 two girls, one named Nongqawuse, went to scare birds out of the fields. When she returned, she told her uncle Mhlakaza that she had met three spirits at the bushes, and that they had told her that all cattle should be slaughtered, and their crops destroyed. On the day following the destruction, the dead Xhosa would return and help expel the whites. The ancestors would bring cattle with them to replace those that had been killed. Mhlakaza believed the prophecy, and repeated it to the chief Sarhili.
Sarhili ordered the commands of the spirits to be obeyed. At first, the Xhosa were ordered to destroy their fat cattle. Nongqawuse, standing in the river where the spirits had first appeared, heard unearthly noises, interpreted by her uncle as orders to kill more and more cattle. At length, the spirits commanded that not an animal of all their herds was to remain alive, and every grain of corn was to be destroyed. If that were done, on a given date, myriads of cattle more beautiful than those destroyed would issue from the earth, while great fields of corn, ripe and ready for harvest, would instantly appear. The dead would rise, trouble and sickness vanish, and youth and beauty come to all alike. Unbelievers and the white man would on that day perish.
In the aftermath of the crisis, the population of British Kaffraria dropped from 105,000 to fewer than 27,000 due to the resulting famine.Replies: @Kronos, @anon
What are your thoughts on upper-body cardio?
…they can look back before 1845, when one of the first big city police forces, the NYPD, was established. I don’t have the demographics for that time, but NYC was 97% white as late as 1920. A white city can get along without a force for a long time.
Not going to happen. The point of abolishing police is to eliminate local control and give jurisdiction and enforcement powers to the DOJ.
We keep doing the same thing over and over and over again and expect a different result. As the writer says Rodney King, Sean Bell, Eric Garner, George Floyd. How many more people will die needlessly before we get it together and figure this out? The system needs some rethinking and re-arrangement. Unfortunately the police unions have made this difficult by employing organized crime like tactics against politicians that try to reform them. At the end of the day, everything boils down to money. We need to get the police union money out of politics or nothing will change.
Personally I would make screen for bias and presume that white men are not fit to be in law enforcement
As another commenter pointed out the FBI is almost all white, and it never comes under criticism for this. The reason is that white men are the only effective soldiers and police, and the establishment cannot afford to compromise the efficacy of the FBI. That organization has become the absolute backstop of federal authority. Weaken it even marginally and money laundering, crooked accounting, and tax evasion will skyrocket.
OMG! I was just gonna say that. We need more programs!
My neighbor just shot his whole family and got in his car! He’s headed downtown! Pls send some ‘trained community care workers’ ASAP. Huh? The office is closed? Oh well, send them Monday morning then please. 9am, okay. Unless they on CPT.
Aww, sweetheart. You just said the magic words.
Abolish the NYPD.
As the graph below clearly indicates, there’s little need for them now, if any!
Whether conservative or leftist, everyone seems to be singing from the same hymn book: the police officer murdered the black suspect and it was horrible.
Am I the only person who remembers Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown?
Both of those hate hoaxes were presented to us as clear cases of racist murder committed by white men against innocent black men. To question the narrative, or fail to exhibit mindless hysteria, was to mark oneself as an evil racist, a white supremacist, a sinner beyond redemption or forgiveness.
Only later did we learn that every word we'd been told was a lie, including "and" and "the." I do not know if the George Floyd case will turn out the same, but it has the same cast of characters.
It would be hilarious if we found out that George Floyd's golden casket had been ordered several weeks before his death, to be occupied by whatever criminal was anointed martyr of the moment.Replies: @Kronos, @Ron Unz, @The Wild Geese Howard, @68W58
Well, a great deal of “contrary” information has already come out. Apparently, Floyd had a lethal level of Fentanyl in his system at his death, as well as Meth plus he’d only just recovered from a serious Covid-19 infection. There are widespread suspicions that he’d been dealing drugs and swallowed his stash when he saw the police approaching, thereby heavily contributing to his demise.
The knee-neck hold has been used by the police thousands of times over the last few years in the US, and the MSM seems to have had a very hard time finding any previous fatality. If Floyd turns out to have been just about the only American to have ever died from that restraint technique, perhaps it’s more than purely coincidental that he had a lethal level of illegal drugs in his system when he expired.
These sorts of issues were hotly debated in the 70,000 words of a recent Fred Reed comment-thread:
https://www.unz.com/freed/her-name-is-breanna-taylor/
2. floyd started saying "i can't breathe" repeatedly when standing outside the car. he was repeating the eric garner meme.
3. he fought the police for 10 minutes. they couldn't get him in the car.
4. the video demonstrates that floyd could breathe.
5. the police were waiting for an ambulance they had called, because they knew floyd was in extremis.
6. positional asphyxia is a myth that has been debunked. there are experts who will testify to this.
7. floyd was 9" taller and 100 lbs heavier than chauvin.
8. the officer on floyd's back was himself part black.
9. demonstrations the world over. it's the most incompetent astroturfing ever.
yet supposedly chauvin was considering pleading guilty. this is a travesty. chauvin is the one being lynched. don't be surprised if he's suicided.Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
How many suspects have actually died this way? Far, far fewer than have died from being shot. But G-d forbid we look at numbers before actually passing laws.Replies: @anon
Why is Chaz Bono suddenly in the news a lot?
I wish there were an abridged version. About a year ago I started watching, but had to stop after 45 minutes or so. It’s an interesting topic, but they turned what could’ve been maybe an hour or two show into 6+ hours!!!
When did Juneteenth become a day so sacred that nothing else can happen that day? I mean the spell check doesn’t even it.
The knee-neck hold has been used by the police thousands of times over the last few years in the US, and the MSM seems to have had a very hard time finding any previous fatality. If Floyd turns out to have been just about the only American to have ever died from that restraint technique, perhaps it's more than purely coincidental that he had a lethal level of illegal drugs in his system when he expired.
These sorts of issues were hotly debated in the 70,000 words of a recent Fred Reed comment-thread:
https://www.unz.com/freed/her-name-is-breanna-taylor/Replies: @Jorge Videla, @Wilkey
1. 3 ng/dL is the mean level in fatal overdose cases. floyd’s level was 11 ng/dL.
2. floyd started saying “i can’t breathe” repeatedly when standing outside the car. he was repeating the eric garner meme.
3. he fought the police for 10 minutes. they couldn’t get him in the car.
4. the video demonstrates that floyd could breathe.
5. the police were waiting for an ambulance they had called, because they knew floyd was in extremis.
6. positional asphyxia is a myth that has been debunked. there are experts who will testify to this.
7. floyd was 9″ taller and 100 lbs heavier than chauvin.
8. the officer on floyd’s back was himself part black.
9. demonstrations the world over. it’s the most incompetent astroturfing ever.
yet supposedly chauvin was considering pleading guilty. this is a travesty. chauvin is the one being lynched. don’t be surprised if he’s suicided.
This. Before it was cancelled last week, I used to watch the A&E show Live PD, which is Cops with body cams, sometimes.
Most black people seem to argue or do any number of things to resist arrest and a lot say "I can't breathe!" pretty much as soon as they're touched by the arresting cop.
From now on all of them are going to be saying it.
I don’t think this is going to work.
“F*ck the Community Care Workers” doesn’t have the same ring to it.
Plus, what are you going to rhyme with “Workers”?
“Twerkers?” “Berserkers?” “Lurkers?”
No man, just no.
Whether conservative or leftist, everyone seems to be singing from the same hymn book: the police officer murdered the black suspect and it was horrible.
Am I the only person who remembers Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown?
Both of those hate hoaxes were presented to us as clear cases of racist murder committed by white men against innocent black men. To question the narrative, or fail to exhibit mindless hysteria, was to mark oneself as an evil racist, a white supremacist, a sinner beyond redemption or forgiveness.
Only later did we learn that every word we'd been told was a lie, including "and" and "the." I do not know if the George Floyd case will turn out the same, but it has the same cast of characters.
It would be hilarious if we found out that George Floyd's golden casket had been ordered several weeks before his death, to be occupied by whatever criminal was anointed martyr of the moment.Replies: @Kronos, @Ron Unz, @The Wild Geese Howard, @68W58
This would not surprise me at all.
It’s pretty clear his death was a hit to protect the local counterfeiting ring.
Anyway, since intraracial violence seems to bother absolutely no one, there's apparently no reason to worry about that. Mercenaries will be able to earn a living without killing foreigners, as they will be finding plenty of security jobs in the US as wealthy neighborhoods start to look like those in Brazil. The cost of maintaining fire departments will go down as there are fewer and fewer unburned buildings left to protect. Herd immunity against arson! What a glorious future it will be.
Except for the lower class white neighborhoods stuck in the more diverse areas, things might get kind of ugly there.Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
It’s all part of Operation Her Turn 2020©
Let’s be clear about one thing: even if we “abolish” the police, we will still have police. They will still have a monopoly on violence. They will still make arrests and help prosecutors build cases. They may call themselves something else (“Community Response Team,” say) but they will functionally be the police.
The purpose of this movement isn’t to abolish the police or to enact Catalonia-style anarchy (which I might actually be in favor of), but to destroy the police as a conservative institution. The police are one of the last large, significant conservative institutions in the US; ergo, they must be destroyed. Get rid of the 105 IQ ex-jocks with crew cuts. Bring in the underemployed liberal-arts graduates. The priorities will change too: no more arrests for dealing drugs. Property crime will be put on the back-burner. Expect a HUGE emphasis on white-collar crimes, domestic violence and all kinds of sex cases though. And an emphasis on “disparate impact” in arrests and convictions, which you can achieve by either arresting fewer black men or more white men.
What percentage of these “criminal justice reformers” would claim that e.g. Brock Turner got a fair sentence, or was even punished too harshly? To ask the question is to answer it. This movement isn’t about justice or mercy or humanism; it’s about power, and once power has been obtained, it will be about settling the old scores.
https://youtu.be/8bJOEFlFDo8Replies: @vhrm, @fritter
Man they’re long-winded, roundabout and hedging about it. It’s good, but they could’ve covered it in 15 minutes, tops. But it’s nice to hear a semi-credentialed person go through it. AND it’s literally 10x more insightful than anything i’ve seen or read in the MSM. BUT it’s also the obvious set of observations that anyone who has looked into these issues before would raise. So it’s hard to believe that the MSM’s refusal to mention these same issues is just due to ignorance.
Here’s my layperson’s argument from a few days ago about why i don’t think they’ll get convicted (which covers some of the same stuff):
https://www.unz.com/isteve/why-does-the-stock-market-keep-going-up/#comment-3955488
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But one thing they spend a bit of time on is that chokes aren’t that bad (and it’s not even clear that they actually chocked him here)… and they’re probably much preferable to alternatives.
If you hit youtube and look at MMA chokeouts vs ground and pound … which would YOU want to be on the receiving end of ? i’ll opt for the chokeout, thanks.
https://youtu.be/znLG90V3H9E
Also, I mainly download them via podcasts and listen while performing daily tasks so I’m not just watching it in one place.
I am shocked that this piece didn’t advocate UN troops replacing the police. That would fit the pattern of this demographic’s “argument”. You know how honest and devoted UN peacekeepers are don’t you? Maybe from a black African country’s army of child soldiers with machine guns.
Do not worry. The Crazy Years won’t last long. This kind of stupid cannot last long.
What we need is soldiers and veterans to put a stop to it and appoint someone who wears Big Boy pants to bring Law and Order back into fashion. The sheeple all follow fashion. Its fashionable.
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The modern FBI is 4.5% black. Which means this photo below of the 1963 class of new FBI agents is more diverse than the modern FBI
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Weird we never hear any outcry against the lily-white FBI. 🤔Replies: @Mr. Anon
It is indeed weird. And, of course at the same time, not weird. Liberals are now completely cool with the armed and clandestine organs of the central state: FBI, CIA, NSA, etc. I remember when liberals were broadly distrustful of the CIA and the FBI. Now, one’s unquestioning faith in them seems to be a touchstone of political liberals.
There’s a certain logic to eliminating the police if they’re not going to be allowed to enforce the laws.
How this country survived having such a damn fool as this Jeh Johnson guy in high positions of authority is a friggin' miracle. (But maybe it didn't actually survive, we can't be sure yet.)
Gotta admit — it would be fun to see New York City try it.
Why do riots need to only occur in urban centers? In small towns they are generally referred to as lynchings.
If they get rid of / reform / replace the police with some Age of Aquarius Social Workers who magically resolve all conflicts, and empty all the prisons, will the crime rate among whites go up? And I’m not talking about the crime of leaving your home during the eternal lockdown to stop Climate Change. How much does the thought of going to a prison with a high percentage of blacks deter whites from committing crime?
If you think you can handle a couple years of a simple lockup, you might consider breaking some laws; if you think you might be somebody’s girlfriend and will have to join some batshit crazy White Power prison gang; well, that doesn’t sound so promising. I don’t know if that actually acts as a deterrent for the criminally minded, but it might.
https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1271544759883104257?s=21Replies: @Che Blutarsky, @Nicholas Stix, @Anon
If the policy was that police could not arrest noncooperative suspects, then obviously the only suspects who would be cooperative would be the ones so pathetically stupid as to not know that. You don’t have to have a PhD in game theory to figure that one out.
How this country survived having such a damn fool as this Jeh Johnson guy in high positions of authority is a friggin’ miracle. (But maybe it didn’t actually survive, we can’t be sure yet.)
As T.S. Eliot wrote, “It is hard for those who live near a police station to believe in the triumph of violence, do you think that the Faith has conquered the world and the lions no longer need keepers? Do you need to be told that whatever has been, can still be?…they constantly try to escape from the darkness outside and within by dreaming of systems so perfect that no one will have to be good”
So many have reached adulthood completely oblivious to human nature and the conditions of our existence on this earth. They use the phrase “muh economy” to mock others as if food and other necessities spontaneously appear on supermarket shelves. It seems that only a complete collapse of our political and economic order will convince them of their errors.
Reading a homeless report about Los Angeles homelessness referenced in the L.A. Times today, this stood out to me:One of the recommendations to reduce the staggeringly disproportionate number of blacks on the streets was to get rid of rules in homeless shelters, and let blacks “do what they want” in the shelters. Sounds good to me. Let’s dedicate Catalina Island to the black homeless, seizing the land via eminent domain and keeping the Coast Guard in the channel between the island and the coast, since for the first two or three years, before the island is denuded, there may be log rafts headed for Newport Beach.Replies: @Michelle, @Pissedoffalese, @Olorin
Well, I hafta say, coming back from Belize, I lived in a homeless motel for three years. It was exciting, and it was also placid. Troublemakers got the fuck beat out of them. They didn’t last long, and Black people were gone before their rent was up, for obvious reasons. Place was run by a bitch of a Hindu, crawling with bedbugs, but YT kept the shit lowkey. Armed bastards, most of them, drug users, ex-cons, and prostitutes. Police out constantly. Course it WAS Bellingham, WA., so the city shut them down and dispersed everybody the day after Thanksgiving. Classy. We were paying our rent and pretty much policing our own, so out you go. Helps the homeless problem immensely. Most ended up living in tents behind the Walmart.
Safest place I ever lived. All the low-lifes robbed people of means; not us. Drug users bought their crap at the 7/11 down the road, and the management/maids/groundskeepers were constantly high on meth. Interesting place to live.
I enjoyed it. Nobody died there in the three years I lived there (a couple ODed but survived), but while I lived in Belize (6 years), I PERSONALLY knew around 12 people who’d been murdered, mostly by Dindus, plus one SERIAL KILLER. I’ll take the homeless motel anytime, as long as it’s not in the middle of n-word town.
(On a separate note: those bedbugs must have made the place intolerable)
Here's my layperson's argument from a few days ago about why i don't think they'll get convicted (which covers some of the same stuff):
https://www.unz.com/isteve/why-does-the-stock-market-keep-going-up/#comment-3955488
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But one thing they spend a bit of time on is that chokes aren't that bad (and it's not even clear that they actually chocked him here)... and they're probably much preferable to alternatives.
If you hit youtube and look at MMA chokeouts vs ground and pound ... which would YOU want to be on the receiving end of ? i'll opt for the chokeout, thanks.Replies: @Kronos
I typically enjoy the long interview lengths. Stefan makes it feel more natural and enjoyable to listen. I’d bet it helps make those interviewed more relaxed compared to more Q&A “rapid fire” shows.
Also, I mainly download them via podcasts and listen while performing daily tasks so I’m not just watching it in one place.
I don’t know why, but I suspect that those billions taken from the police will be used to constitute an army of well retributed “community care workers” and, at that point, our noble journalist/activist will be satisfied, even if murders double.
I envision ceremonies where “community care workers” are given prizes and honors, exactly as happened in Rhotheram with those institutions theoretically formed to protect young girls from violence.
If only. More likely they will be well remunerated.
Looks like John Carpenter was premature by about 35 years.
“In 1988, the crime rate in the United States rises four hundred percent…”
Not NYC since 1845, though… must have been something about those 19th-century Whites that was a bit rambunctious.
Enough. We can’t reform blacks. The only way to diminish black violence is to reduce contact between the public and blacks.
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When the Chinese take over their first move will be to “literally” decimate the coomoonity. Chicago’s toughest and most ruthless gang bangers will be in a shipping container in 600 feet of Lake Michigan water. Gangsta rap will disappear from the radio and black oriented entertainment made to Party specs. Jesse Jackson and Al Shar-pei will flee to somewhere without extradition or will be sent to work camps.
https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1271544759883104257?s=21Replies: @Che Blutarsky, @Nicholas Stix, @Anon
Indeed. “De-escalation” is a code phrase for police surrendering to black criminals.
Has anyone thought about the consequences of the ten million arrests not being made?
The answer of course is “no”. But who cares, now that we’ve established that if the failure rate of an institution is just 400/10000000 or about 0.004% we toss the whole thing. At that rate, the constitution itself is doomed.Replies: @ThreeCranes, @Neuday
Did someone just open a window and let in a breath of fresh air?
"When the God of Wokeness closes the door, he also closes all of the windows."
The author’s name points to her being from Sierra Leone or Liberia, two of the worst countries in West Africa. It’s likely her parents came here to flee the civil wars that happened in both countries during the 90s to 00s. Both countries dissolved into barbarism literally, cannibalism was documented there, during these wars. Why would she attempt to bring such nonsense to this country? Why would anyone listen to her?
Edit: Looks like she’s from Guinea and Ivory Coast. There was a war in Ivory Coast.
“Nia” means “with purpose” in Swahili.
Stop The Invasion!Replies: @Ed, @Jim Don Bob
Gets back to the Yale Law professor that expressed concerns about affirmative action in the 60s. She gets to go to an elite school, most likely do to diversity initiatives, can’t compete or measure up but ego dictates she finds a way to stand out another way. Being disruptive activist is the way to go. Maybe these snotty schools can cool it on the diversity initiatives?
Co-Founder of the Chicago Taskforce on Violence against Girls and Young Women
Co-Founder of the Chicago Alliance to Free Marissa Alexander
Co-Founder of the Rogers Park Young Women’s Action Team (YWAT)
Co-Founder of the We Charge Genocide (WCG)
Founder of Project NIAMariame Kaba is a: Co-chair of the Women of Color Committee at the Chicago Metropolitan Battered Women’s NetworkMariame Kaba is: A board member on the Education for Liberation Network
An advisory board member of the Women and Girls Collective Action NetworkThere is no record of her holding any sort of productive job. These people would normally be confined to a mid-level bureaucratic sinecure (preferably in West Africa for this trough diver), but have instead worked out how to leverage a mid-range IQ into not-for-profit stardom. Kaba is the recipient of eleven awards (including a 2016-2017 Soros Justice Fellow). In a sane world she'd be overseeing a government malaria program in upcountry Guinea (while skimming 5% off the top to help pay for her brood to go to boarding school in France).
Yes…..I think it’s a play to centralize law enforcement so the ADL/SPLC can have total control.
Not to be unchivalrous, but perhaps you are thinking of the Indian actress who played her in a biopic?
Sheela got 20 years in a federal pen for contaminating salad bars with salmonella in a bioterror plot, and for plotting the death of a federal prosecutor.
Obama and his ass licks were trying to pack the FBI with SJW types in order to spy on and attack his opponents while protecting his corrupt supporters. In most countries, the Department of the Interior is the one you most have to watch out for. Here it means the people who manage the Natural Parks. By weaponizing the DOJ / FBI it made this phase of the Russia-gate inevitable and existential.
Bingo!
Mariame Kaba is a:
Co-Founder of the Chicago Freedom School
Co-Founder of the Chicago Taskforce on Violence against Girls and Young Women
Co-Founder of the Chicago Alliance to Free Marissa Alexander
Co-Founder of the Rogers Park Young Women’s Action Team (YWAT)
Co-Founder of the We Charge Genocide (WCG)
Founder of Project NIA
Mariame Kaba is a:
Co-chair of the Women of Color Committee at the Chicago Metropolitan Battered Women’s Network
Mariame Kaba is:
A board member on the Education for Liberation Network
An advisory board member of the Women and Girls Collective Action Network
There is no record of her holding any sort of productive job.
These people would normally be confined to a mid-level bureaucratic sinecure (preferably in West Africa for this trough diver), but have instead worked out how to leverage a mid-range IQ into not-for-profit stardom. Kaba is the recipient of eleven awards (including a 2016-2017 Soros Justice Fellow). In a sane world she’d be overseeing a government malaria program in upcountry Guinea (while skimming 5% off the top to help pay for her brood to go to boarding school in France).
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j7TT4jnnWysReplies: @MEH 0910
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Side_Story_(2020_film)
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2020/03/a-first-look-at-steven-spielbergs-west-side-story
I caught a little of one of his recent movies, The Post, about the publication of secret government documents, i.e. The Pentagon Papers. The retconning was impressive in scope. Like the way they took one of Ben Bagdikian's quotes and put it into the mouth of (Tom Hanks playing) Ben Bradlee. Or the way they made Bradlee into some kind of free-speach, good government fundamentalist when - in fact - he tried to suppress a book that claimed (truthfully) that he was actually a CIA stooge. What a load of pretentious crap - a movie about "The Truth" that masked a pack of lies.
It's also interesting that the same sort of people - and often the same actual people - who swooned over The Post, think that the US Government should pillory Julian Assange or even just murder him.Replies: @Bostonvegas
If you abolish the police, who will stop the evil white race from lynching blacks at will? Abolishing the police without abolishing white people guarantees black genocide. Hence, there must be a Part II to this editorial.
The decarceration/defund police movement doesn’t care about the crime rate, as long as the arrest/conviction rates for POC go down. So they legalize crime, subvert law enforcement, etc. Soros’ DAs have very quickly proven that a “progressive” DA who won’t prosecute criminals is an essential component.
Normies want crime rates to go down, and aren’t as concerned with arrest rates by race. But it still hasn’t sunk in that the FTP movement doesn’t care who gets hurt, as long as POCs aren’t facing any consequences for crime. They assume a spirit of good faith in the FTP movement that just isn’t there.
"We may be needing all our prison space for political offenders."
ABOLISH THE POLICE!!!
Let blacks fight with blacks. Let them settle their own problems.
Let the blacks attack the libby-dib yuppie-dups.
Abolish!!!!Replies: @Hypnotoad666
If there were no police, Floyd would have died in a gutter by himself from a drug OD and no one would have had to worry about him. So maybe “no police” solves that problem at least.
While we are at it, however, can we also please de-fund the CIA and the rest of the Deep State?
Reading a homeless report about Los Angeles homelessness referenced in the L.A. Times today, this stood out to me:One of the recommendations to reduce the staggeringly disproportionate number of blacks on the streets was to get rid of rules in homeless shelters, and let blacks “do what they want” in the shelters. Sounds good to me. Let’s dedicate Catalina Island to the black homeless, seizing the land via eminent domain and keeping the Coast Guard in the channel between the island and the coast, since for the first two or three years, before the island is denuded, there may be log rafts headed for Newport Beach.Replies: @Michelle, @Pissedoffalese, @Olorin
It won’t when you have to be buying/building a new damn shelter every 18 months, before the bond on the former construction project is even paid off.
But on 2nd thought, Alcatraz would do much better as a site for The Transfer.
(Yes, i'm aware of the Sen. Tom Cotton -> fired Opinion page editor fiasco of a few days ago, but still. )Replies: @Hypnotoad666
Then you are aware that the NYT has formally renounced “telling both sides of the story.” Henceforth, everything in the NYT is “their side of the story.” Period. We must take them at their word.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/35/Westsidestoryteaserposter.jpg
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2020/03/a-first-look-at-steven-spielbergs-west-side-storyReplies: @Mr. Anon
I remember when Steven Spielberg was a good director. Back before he got woke.
I caught a little of one of his recent movies, The Post, about the publication of secret government documents, i.e. The Pentagon Papers. The retconning was impressive in scope. Like the way they took one of Ben Bagdikian’s quotes and put it into the mouth of (Tom Hanks playing) Ben Bradlee. Or the way they made Bradlee into some kind of free-speach, good government fundamentalist when – in fact – he tried to suppress a book that claimed (truthfully) that he was actually a CIA stooge. What a load of pretentious crap – a movie about “The Truth” that masked a pack of lies.
It’s also interesting that the same sort of people – and often the same actual people – who swooned over The Post, think that the US Government should pillory Julian Assange or even just murder him.
The knee-neck hold has been used by the police thousands of times over the last few years in the US, and the MSM seems to have had a very hard time finding any previous fatality. If Floyd turns out to have been just about the only American to have ever died from that restraint technique, perhaps it's more than purely coincidental that he had a lethal level of illegal drugs in his system when he expired.
These sorts of issues were hotly debated in the 70,000 words of a recent Fred Reed comment-thread:
https://www.unz.com/freed/her-name-is-breanna-taylor/Replies: @Jorge Videla, @Wilkey
Tony Timpa, a 32 y.o. white man, was killed by Dallas police in the same manner back in 2016. I believe he also had drugs in his system. He himself had actually called the police asking for help, as he was bipolar and off his meds.
How many suspects have actually died this way? Far, far fewer than have died from being shot. But G-d forbid we look at numbers before actually passing laws.
White man dies in custody. No protest, no riots, no looting, no international headlines.
Whose life matters?
“We may be needing all our prison space for political offenders.”
Begorrah, what might that be?
Does she mean the stock and pillary?
Historically, community policing has not been a fair deal for blacks.
Related, a reporter for Voice of America’s Russian language service (why does this still exist?) was about to file a presumably positive report on Black Lives Matter from DC when this happened.
Someone needs to start a rumour there is a chest full of gold hidden in the NY Times building, and let’s then see if the Men in Blue actually bother to pretend to try to stop the looting.
Historically, community policing has not been a fair deal for blacks.Replies: @Dave Pinsen
It’s hard to see how eliminating police isn’t, on net, going to be worse for blacks than the status quo. Aside from black cops losing their jobs, private security guards with no fear of arrest are going to make many blacks miss the police.
How many suspects have actually died this way? Far, far fewer than have died from being shot. But G-d forbid we look at numbers before actually passing laws.Replies: @anon
Tony Timpa, a 32 y.o. white man, was killed by Dallas police in the same manner back in 2016.
White man dies in custody. No protest, no riots, no looting, no international headlines.
Whose life matters?
Rowdy purveyors of whale oil, beef hooked ?
Middle class Blacks can have a pretty good life working for the police and other city bureaucracies. Black women in particular can work some police job that likely never puts them in the shit.
If I was a Black political leader, I would be fighting for these jobs tooth and nail. There is a definite class aspect to the current anti-cop hysteria with the over educated and indoctrinated youth burdened with massive amounts of college debt targeting less educated, more blue collar civil servants with generous pensions and benefit packages.
There is only so much money left in the kitty in the dying American Empire and the woke NGO and academia crowd want to move in on the money and pensions of urban working class civil servants.Replies: @Kronos, @Redneck farmer
Also, many of the white kids have records, and have convinced themselves that defunding the police will enable them to get that vice-presidencythat they deserve. Because record will vanish, or something.
I’d imagine they’d rather take over the server farm documenting all student loan debt. Compound interest is nasty.
https://youtu.be/GkrTa4RMpDw
https://youtu.be/pUanS5OWy_k
Arrest records in the US are, as I understand it, public records. I am not aware of anything that prevents private companies from capturing and retaining these records in order to make them quickly available to private-sector firms interested in using them to weed out potential troublemakers.
Perhaps it's as simple as these young, dumb kids not thinking long-term? Try as I might, I'm just not seeing "former Antifa member" as something that potential employers will regard favourably half a decade from now.
As I’ve always said, American blacks never had their Haiti, although academia has been trying for decades to rewrite history in order to make it seem as though they were responsible for their own liberation from slavery.
The only way to cast off the shame and humiliation of utter subjugation is revenge. Everyone understands this at some gut level. The rich, of course, will be safe in their compounds, guarded by blackwater cops.
Good take. Their side, as it’s always been. Who with a brain could possibly believe otherwise?
For example, here is Vladimir Putin on the NYT op-ed page in 2013:
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html
(though to the ideological purity point, would they do the same in 2018? ha!)
also TIL that op-ed stands for "opposite the editorial page". I'd always assumed it means "opinion and editorials"! (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Op-ed) In my defense, I'll say i didn't really start reading news papers, esp opinion, until it was online.
It’s hard not to laugh at lines like
” Towns could use restorative-justice models instead of throwing people in prison.”
What would that look like to the 35,000 white women raped by blacks every year?
On the bigger picture, this might be a good time to look at Robert Peel’s (This mess is, of course, all his fault) “Principles of Policing” The militarized US police do seem to have strayed from the model. Outsourcing training to Israel is an appallingly bad idea.
The nine principles were as follows:
1. To prevent crime and disorder, as an alternative to their repression by military force and severity of legal punishment.
2. To recognise always that the power of the police to fulfill their functions and duties is dependent on public approval of their existence, actions and behaviour, and on their ability to secure and maintain public respect.
3. To recognise always that to secure and maintain the respect and approval of the public means also the securing of the willing co-operation of the public in the task of securing observance of laws.
4. To recognise always that the extent to which the co-operation of the public can be secured diminishes proportionately the necessity of the use of physical force and compulsion for achieving police objectives.
5. To seek and preserve public favour, not by pandering to public opinion, but by constantly demonstrating absolutely impartial service to law, in complete independence of policy, and without regard to the justice or injustice of the substance of individual laws, by ready offering of individual service and friendship to all members of the public without regard to their wealth or social standing, by ready exercise of courtesy and friendly good humour, and by ready offering of individual sacrifice in protecting and preserving life.
6. To use physical force only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient to obtain public co-operation to an extent necessary to secure observance of law or to restore order, and to use only the minimum degree of physical force which is necessary on any particular occasion for achieving a police objective.
7. To maintain at all times a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and that the public are the police, the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.
8. To recognise always the need for strict adherence to police-executive functions, and to refrain from even seeming to usurp the powers of the judiciary of avenging individuals or the State, and of authoritatively judging guilt and punishing the guilty.
9. To recognise always that the test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, and not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with them.
There are issues, of course, with the wording of some of these. But not bad.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peelian_principles
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True, but it wouldn’t reduce “black violence”. It would only reduce black violence against whites.
However, I don't care about black-on-black crime. Most blacks support black criminals, and there are so many white Republicans and "conservatives" wringing their hands over black-on-black crime, while ignoring black-on-white crime, that there's no need for me to deal with B-O-B crime.
Let the large cities eliminate cops, who cares! White suburbia and rural areas are still going to have police forces. Blacks can live in the third world shit holes they thrive in. We all know regardless of the propaganda black lives do not matter to blacks.
“Private security guards with no fear of arrest”? When a white private security guard kills a black, he is not going to be immune from arrest and prosecution.
“Nia” means “with purpose” in Swahili.
Stop The Invasion!Replies: @Ed, @Jim Don Bob
I’ll be the NYT solicits this kind of article from dimwits who write them for free.
Whether conservative or leftist, everyone seems to be singing from the same hymn book: the police officer murdered the black suspect and it was horrible.
Am I the only person who remembers Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown?
Both of those hate hoaxes were presented to us as clear cases of racist murder committed by white men against innocent black men. To question the narrative, or fail to exhibit mindless hysteria, was to mark oneself as an evil racist, a white supremacist, a sinner beyond redemption or forgiveness.
Only later did we learn that every word we'd been told was a lie, including "and" and "the." I do not know if the George Floyd case will turn out the same, but it has the same cast of characters.
It would be hilarious if we found out that George Floyd's golden casket had been ordered several weeks before his death, to be occupied by whatever criminal was anointed martyr of the moment.Replies: @Kronos, @Ron Unz, @The Wild Geese Howard, @68W58
I have noticed several times that Mike Brown’s name has been listed among those “wrongfully” killed by cops on signs at these protests. Got to keep pushing that narrative, despite what everyone ought to know now.
Mariame:
The NYT also openly tries to rehabilitate Leninism with grand articles on the subject. Their political views can’t possibly be held to be credible. Their approval of a position is more or less a stamp of that position’s innate toxicity, and that should be the World’s view.
Blacks murder Whites at 10X the rate that Whites murder Blacks. The only injustices are toward the Police for having to shoulder the burden of such a dangerous population and toward Whites.
But we won’t be. As Anon says, they get Catalina Island. It’s lovely there, plenty of shelter exists already. And what happens after The Transfer … is not our concern.
But on 2nd thought, Alcatraz would do much better as a site for The Transfer.
Personally I would make screen for bias and presume that white men are not fit to be in law enforcementReplies: @Lowe
TD is trolling as always, but I think it is worth mentioning that if you did screen white males from applying to the FBI, that would have nearly the same effect as dismantling it.
As another commenter pointed out the FBI is almost all white, and it never comes under criticism for this. The reason is that white men are the only effective soldiers and police, and the establishment cannot afford to compromise the efficacy of the FBI. That organization has become the absolute backstop of federal authority. Weaken it even marginally and money laundering, crooked accounting, and tax evasion will skyrocket.
Let’s make Juneteenth a federal holiday, then blacks can have two federal holidays that only mostly white public employees will get off from work. However having another three day weekend between Memorial Day and the Fourth of July would be rather nifty.
Let’s make it a a federal holiday, then blacks can have two federal holidays that only mostly white public employees will get off from work. However yaving another
If you think you can handle a couple years of a simple lockup, you might consider breaking some laws; if you think you might be somebody's girlfriend and will have to join some batshit crazy White Power prison gang; well, that doesn't sound so promising. I don't know if that actually acts as a deterrent for the criminally minded, but it might.Replies: @Bostonvegas
I have thought about it and it would have deterred me ….my Christian faith made it kind of irrelevant but without that the scenario you painted would also slow me down…the belief in a just God has definitely stopped me from doing some bad things …
I caught a little of one of his recent movies, The Post, about the publication of secret government documents, i.e. The Pentagon Papers. The retconning was impressive in scope. Like the way they took one of Ben Bagdikian's quotes and put it into the mouth of (Tom Hanks playing) Ben Bradlee. Or the way they made Bradlee into some kind of free-speach, good government fundamentalist when - in fact - he tried to suppress a book that claimed (truthfully) that he was actually a CIA stooge. What a load of pretentious crap - a movie about "The Truth" that masked a pack of lies.
It's also interesting that the same sort of people - and often the same actual people - who swooned over The Post, think that the US Government should pillory Julian Assange or even just murder him.Replies: @Bostonvegas
Just watching the self righteous truth to power garbage in the preview made me nauseous.
Correction: the Whites _are leaving_.
Status report: Rural (not suburban, but real boondocks) property values / house prices are rising and the realtors are busy. These areas already have quite a few non-POC and non-Jewish refugees from urban areas / South Africa / Russia. Difference is that this wave of refugees have money. The previous couple of waves had camper trailers / tents and lived on unimproved lots _way_ out in the woods, no electricity, sometimes no wells. That was apparently better than urban areas, rather like the experience of Pissedoffalese (https://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-yes-we-mean-literally-abolish-the-police/#comment-3963285).
Local social services are working hard to destroy what organization remains, quite often by family destruction. Local Mennonites don’t seem to be able to stop the social services, but would like to.
It remains to be seen whether the current monied wave of urban refugees will succeed in establishing urban political structures in rural areas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_from_New_York
The growing religious frenzy of started by St Floyd reminds me of an earlier black religious frenzy:
In April, 1856 two girls, one named Nongqawuse, went to scare birds out of the fields. When she returned, she told her uncle Mhlakaza that she had met three spirits at the bushes, and that they had told her that all cattle should be slaughtered, and their crops destroyed. On the day following the destruction, the dead Xhosa would return and help expel the whites. The ancestors would bring cattle with them to replace those that had been killed. Mhlakaza believed the prophecy, and repeated it to the chief Sarhili.
Sarhili ordered the commands of the spirits to be obeyed. At first, the Xhosa were ordered to destroy their fat cattle. Nongqawuse, standing in the river where the spirits had first appeared, heard unearthly noises, interpreted by her uncle as orders to kill more and more cattle. At length, the spirits commanded that not an animal of all their herds was to remain alive, and every grain of corn was to be destroyed. If that were done, on a given date, myriads of cattle more beautiful than those destroyed would issue from the earth, while great fields of corn, ripe and ready for harvest, would instantly appear. The dead would rise, trouble and sickness vanish, and youth and beauty come to all alike. Unbelievers and the white man would on that day perish.
In the aftermath of the crisis, the population of British Kaffraria dropped from 105,000 to fewer than 27,000 due to the resulting famine.Replies: @Kronos, @anon
President Abrams ordered the commands of the spirits to be obeyed. At first, the Americans were ordered to destroy their coal power plants. Nongqawuse Thunberg, standing in the river where the spirits had first appeared, heard unearthly noises, interpreted by her uncle as orders to destroy all fossil fuel plants.. At length, the spirits commanded that not a power plant was to remain standing, and every barrel of oil was to be destroyed. If that were done, on a given date, myriads of windmills and renewable energy plants more beautiful than those destroyed would issue from the earth, while great fields of solar panels ready for harvest of sunshine and moonshine would instantly appear. The dead would rise, trouble and sickness vanish, and youth and beauty come to all alike. Unbelievers and the white man would on that day perish.
If you go to my usgovernmentspending dot com slash details you get:
Health care $1.8 trillion (inc Medicaid and CHIP)
Education $1.3 trillion
Welfare $0.4 trillion
Protection $0.3 trillion, of which police is $0.15 trillion.
So yeah. Lots of money there.
Has anyone thought about the consequences of the ten million arrests not being made?
The answer of course is “no”. But who cares, now that we’ve established that if the failure rate of an institution is just 400/10000000 or about 0.004% we toss the whole thing. At that rate, the constitution itself is doomed.Replies: @ThreeCranes, @Neuday
Hasn’t the federalization of education resulted in a much higher failure rate, especially as regards the holy black race? City public schools are a much greater failure than city police, but it’s not really about failure; it’s about Blacks being generally unable to live according to White standards of civilization.
As for the constitution being doomed, it was doomed when Civil Right legislation killed freedom of assembly. Now, it’s clearly dead and buried. Thus, always to democracies.
2. floyd started saying "i can't breathe" repeatedly when standing outside the car. he was repeating the eric garner meme.
3. he fought the police for 10 minutes. they couldn't get him in the car.
4. the video demonstrates that floyd could breathe.
5. the police were waiting for an ambulance they had called, because they knew floyd was in extremis.
6. positional asphyxia is a myth that has been debunked. there are experts who will testify to this.
7. floyd was 9" taller and 100 lbs heavier than chauvin.
8. the officer on floyd's back was himself part black.
9. demonstrations the world over. it's the most incompetent astroturfing ever.
yet supposedly chauvin was considering pleading guilty. this is a travesty. chauvin is the one being lynched. don't be surprised if he's suicided.Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
” floyd started saying “i can’t breathe” repeatedly when standing outside the car. he was repeating the eric garner meme”
This. Before it was cancelled last week, I used to watch the A&E show Live PD, which is Cops with body cams, sometimes.
Most black people seem to argue or do any number of things to resist arrest and a lot say “I can’t breathe!” pretty much as soon as they’re touched by the arresting cop.
From now on all of them are going to be saying it.
Yes, when NY abolishes cops and the entire city is burning, imagine the pictures taken from space. No one would remember the twin towers.
Is it me or do most of the people who write op-eds for the Gray Hag appear to be rotund black ladies who look like they belong on a box of pancake mix?
Looks like someone here hasn't bought a box of pancake mix in a while.
Blacks murder Whites at 10X the rate that Whites murder Blacks. The only injustices are toward the Police for having to shoulder the burden of such a dangerous population and toward Whites.Replies: @Prester John
The NYT is a fading empire. No one, outside of egghead academics, sweet young things with Ivy liberal arts degrees and the usual cast of Aktivists of Kullah can take it seriously.
>>Is it me or do most of the people who write op-eds for the Gray Hag appear to be rotund black ladies who look like they belong on a box of pancake mix?<<
Looks like someone here hasn't bought a box of pancake mix in a while.
Well, the point of the op-ed page and the letters to the editor is to publish external opinions.
For example, here is Vladimir Putin on the NYT op-ed page in 2013:
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html
(though to the ideological purity point, would they do the same in 2018? ha!)
also TIL that op-ed stands for “opposite the editorial page”. I’d always assumed it means “opinion and editorials”! (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Op-ed) In my defense, I’ll say i didn’t really start reading news papers, esp opinion, until it was online.
https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1271553845164982276?s=21Replies: @Barnard
Are you asking about just the Russian language branch, or why Voice of America exists in general? According to the Wikipedia page, VOA broadcasts in a number of languages, including Albanian. I’m sure the Albanians are thrilled to get the BLM propaganda from these fine journalists. Instead of abolishing the police, our relations with the world would improve more by abolishing the State Department.
Anarchist imagineering. Mankind is all good, except for the police.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/Chaz_Bono_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg/220px-Chaz_Bono_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpgReplies: @Anonymous
It does resemble Ed Shaughnessy more than a little. Probably best Ed doesn’t have to see it.
FIFYReplies: @VinnyVette, @Anonymous
Under Jim Crow, Blacks we’re making slow but definite progress. The worst of the worst were culled by being killed resisting arrest, executed, or put in prisons tough enough to really break them. Others learned from this and behaved better. Civil Rights was the end of all that.
When the Chinese take over their first move will be to “literally” decimate the coomoonity. Chicago’s toughest and most ruthless gang bangers will be in a shipping container in 600 feet of Lake Michigan water. Gangsta rap will disappear from the radio and black oriented entertainment made to Party specs. Jesse Jackson and Al Shar-pei will flee to somewhere without extradition or will be sent to work camps.
https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1271544759883104257?s=21Replies: @Che Blutarsky, @Nicholas Stix, @Anon
As has been said, the command “you’re under arrest” for black people means “negotiations have started”.
What?
I’d imagine they’d rather take over the server farm documenting all student loan debt. Compound interest is nasty.
There are certainly laid-back low-IQ societies where local warlords are pretty chill, and everyone gets along with khat or homemade hooch.
https://drunkard.com/10-04-soused-africa/
But even hippie musicians in America seem to have an edge to them that suggests that the laid-back model won’t work here:
This is all in the long line of resenting Western (Roman) Civilization…
WHAT HAVE THE ROMANS EVER DONE FOR US?
Answer…
The aquaducts
The Roman Roads
Streets and Sanitation
Eduction
Irragation
The Roman Italian Wine – we’re really mist the wine
Brought peace
And the ungrateful, rebellious chip on their shoulder Gews in Roman Palestine set the tone for all this anarchy sh** now.
They just don’t appreciate White Western Roman civilization..
https://youtu.be/8bJOEFlFDo8Replies: @vhrm, @fritter
interesting video, except Molyneux just cannot stop babbling, instead of letting the expert talk. Incredibly frustrating. What’s the point of interviewing an expert when you think you know it all (and Molyneux is obviously clueless)?
the graph went down precisely b/c of the aggressive policing. Whatch it go up again.
Safest place I ever lived. All the low-lifes robbed people of means; not us. Drug users bought their crap at the 7/11 down the road, and the management/maids/groundskeepers were constantly high on meth. Interesting place to live.
I enjoyed it. Nobody died there in the three years I lived there (a couple ODed but survived), but while I lived in Belize (6 years), I PERSONALLY knew around 12 people who'd been murdered, mostly by Dindus, plus one SERIAL KILLER. I'll take the homeless motel anytime, as long as it's not in the middle of n-word town.Replies: @Gabe Ruth, @Anonymous
You should write a memoir.
Considering that, last I checked, blacks committed more crimes (but not murders) against whites than against other blacks, it just might.
However, I don’t care about black-on-black crime. Most blacks support black criminals, and there are so many white Republicans and “conservatives” wringing their hands over black-on-black crime, while ignoring black-on-white crime, that there’s no need for me to deal with B-O-B crime.
Sarcasm tags aren’t the custom at iSteve. But I did use an exclamation mark in lieu of one.
Who is going to arrest him if there are no police?
Safest place I ever lived. All the low-lifes robbed people of means; not us. Drug users bought their crap at the 7/11 down the road, and the management/maids/groundskeepers were constantly high on meth. Interesting place to live.
I enjoyed it. Nobody died there in the three years I lived there (a couple ODed but survived), but while I lived in Belize (6 years), I PERSONALLY knew around 12 people who'd been murdered, mostly by Dindus, plus one SERIAL KILLER. I'll take the homeless motel anytime, as long as it's not in the middle of n-word town.Replies: @Gabe Ruth, @Anonymous
That’s grimly interesting. Between the constant perpetration of crime necessary to support their habit and the drug itself (as noxious a concoction as it gets), I would never have credited the lifespan of a methamphetamine user to be more than 2 years at the outside, but there you are.
(On a separate note: those bedbugs must have made the place intolerable)
I find myself wondering if having an arrest record will be quite the career-enhancing move these Antifa types seem to think it is.
Arrest records in the US are, as I understand it, public records. I am not aware of anything that prevents private companies from capturing and retaining these records in order to make them quickly available to private-sector firms interested in using them to weed out potential troublemakers.
Perhaps it’s as simple as these young, dumb kids not thinking long-term? Try as I might, I’m just not seeing “former Antifa member” as something that potential employers will regard favourably half a decade from now.
As for the constitution being doomed, it was doomed when Civil Right legislation killed freedom of assembly. Now, it's clearly dead and buried. Thus, always to democracies.Replies: @Anon7
“Hasn’t the federalization of education resulted in a much higher failure rate, especially as regards the holy black race?”
This leads me to an interesting comparison. Why didn’t black activists and white kneelers demand that public education be defunded?
Instead, they demand that it be overfunded. In time, they demanded changes that effectively ruined public education and then college undergrad education in America. Eventually, these institutions were completely taken over and altered to produce revolutionary cadres en masse.
As implied by this iSteve topic inspired by a commenter (“The Goal Is to Destroy the Police as a Conservative Institution“), the police will similarly be overfunded, and thereby become a force for wokeness, standing over white kneelers to make sure that no mistakes are left unpunished.
Take a deep breath while you still can. Here’s a free aphorism I just created for you:
“When the God of Wokeness closes the door, he also closes all of the windows.”
Or you could rework this rumor that made the rounds in Mozambique: certain mens’ heads contain gold. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-40185359
I envision ceremonies where "community care workers" are given prizes and honors, exactly as happened in Rhotheram with those institutions theoretically formed to protect young girls from violence.Replies: @kaganovitch
I don’t know why, but I suspect that those billions taken from the police will be used to constitute an army of well retributed “community care workers” and, at that point, our noble journalist/activist will be satisfied, even if murders double.
If only. More likely they will be well remunerated.