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A new New York Times editorial:

The Corrosive Politics That Threaten L.G.B.T. Americans
By THE EDITORIAL BOARD JUNE 15, 2016

… Omar Mateen shattered the tenuous, hard-fought sense of personal safety that many gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender Americans have begun to feel as the movement for equality has made significant gains in recent years. His bullets and the blood he left behind that early morning were a reminder that in many corners of the country, gay and transgender people are still regarded as sinners and second-class citizens who should be scorned.

While the precise motivation for the rampage remains unclear, it is evident that Mr. Mateen was driven by hatred toward gays and lesbians. Hate crimes don’t happen in a vacuum. They occur where bigotry is allowed to fester, where minorities are vilified and where people are scapegoated for political gain. Tragically, this is the state of American politics, driven too often by Republican politicians who see prejudice as something to exploit, not extinguish.

You can read the whole thing there.

If I do text searches on the NYT Editorial, I come up with:

“Muslim” — zero

“Islam” — zero

“immigra” — zero

 
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  1. Did you text search goatf*ckers?

  2. In a way, one could almost feel sorry for him. He did his (sadly limited) best to express his motivation (i.e., resentment over American bombing of his native country, Afghanistan) – but everybody insists that it must really be something else, instead.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @vinteuil

    Liberals have to look for 'nuance' even if the answer is staring them in the face. How else are they meant to feel special and different if they just believe what is blatantly obvious.

    Coincidentally the 'nuance' is always that the real enemy is white males.

    , @Forbes
    @vinteuil

    Except that Mateen is not a native of Afghanistan--so, of course, it must really be something else, instead.

    , @Olorin
    @vinteuil

    It's not about "motivation" in the sense of "feelings," Vin ("resentment").

    It's a genomic thing about how people act on the feelings they (or any of us) have.

    That's how come the fiftysomething-generations-of-Islam thing is important in deciding who can adapt well to our Magic Dirt, and the data on how their kids turn out. But reason and caution aren't running our immigration policy. Mass market mercantile globalist greed is.

    Since the Age of Reagan the US gained about 100 million in population, and the entire net increase was due to immigration. Our native-born population stayed steady in that time.

    I'm one of many who feels it's time to close borders for a couple generations and do a bit of assessment of how the experiment went. Including how different groups' first, second, and third generations adapt to their new surroundings.

  3. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It’s become apparent that just because there was a favorable SCOTUS ruling last year on gay rights does not mean the LGBTQ community can let up on winning the battle any more than passage of the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments was the end of the battle for full expression of the civil rights of African Americans across the country. Instead, just like the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments, the SCOTUS rulings on gay rights will have to serve as foundations for specific enforcement of those rights, which will be subject to abridgement by GOP’ers at every political opportunity.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    @Anonymous

    Are you proposing an Amendment to prohibit gay Muslims from killing other gays en masse?

    Capital notion!

    , @boogerbently
    @Anonymous

    Do people of the LGBTQxyz persuasion suffer a greater % of "mental problems" ?
    Any HBD input.

  4. By the way, was Afghanistan not the war Obama supported and actually increased in scope?

    • Agree: Jeff77450
  5. Am I reading this correctly and are they arguing that the trouble with jihadis is that they are too Republican?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @kihowi

    The trouble with anything is that they are too Republican. And white. And male. And straight. And cisgender.

    Like I've been saying, the conventional wisdom isn't really all that intellectually sophisticated. It's just Who? Whom?

    Replies: @415 reasons

  6. @kihowi
    Am I reading this correctly and are they arguing that the trouble with jihadis is that they are too Republican?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The trouble with anything is that they are too Republican. And white. And male. And straight. And cisgender.

    Like I’ve been saying, the conventional wisdom isn’t really all that intellectually sophisticated. It’s just Who? Whom?

    • Replies: @415 reasons
    @Steve Sailer

    This is a particularly bold attempted Jedi mind trick since Mateen was literally a registered Democrat

  7. > Hate crimes don’t happen in a vacuum. They occur
    > where bigotry is allowed to fester, where
    > minorities are vilified and where
    > people are scapegoated for political gain.

    A similar, but less serious example of this reasoning occurred in Paris in 2013.

    Two gays were severely beaten late one night. This happened around the time millions of traditionalists were taking to the streets to protest against the gay marriage law, which later passed. The badly beaten-up face of one of victims, Wilfred de Bruijn, was widely circulated.

    Though it wasn’t immediately clear who had done the beating, many blamed the “atmosphere of homophobia” brought about by catholics and right-wingers opposed to gay marriage.

    If I recall correctly, it turned out the culprits were “youths”, hardly surprising if you weren’t plugged into the media narrative.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2307288/Paris-gay-attack-victim-Wilfred-Bruijns-Facebook-injuries-picture-goes-viral.html

    • Replies: @European-American
    @European-American

    Five months later, four suspects of committing the homophobic beatings were arrested by the police. And indeed they turned out to be "youths" from the suburbs. Two were sentenced a year later. Their names were Taieb and Malik. It's fair to surmise they were not Catholics worried about preserving the traditional family unit. (As should have been obvious just from the neighborhood where the crime happened). But so much later after the fact, no one was paying attention anymore.

    And so the regretful violence had at least the redeeming value of making people more aware of the danger of homophobia and of resisting social progress...

    I just saw Anderson Cooper berating a Florida official in charge of helping the Orlando victims and their families for not supporting gay marriage. It's the same mechanism. If you ever had any doubts about any aspect of gay liberation, don't you feel guilty now? If not, you're a fascist and a murderer.

    (French article on the 2014 trial)
    http://www.lepoint.fr/societe/agression-homophobe-a-paris-de-18-a-24-mois-de-prison-ferme-requis-06-05-2014-1819654_23.php

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Dov, @Jefferson, @ben tillman, @anpn

    , @Lurker
    @European-American

    The mystery - how is it that the evil cisgendered, homophobic values of evil whitey are so easily transmitted to innocent brown/black/Muslim youths but not stuff like not committing crime?

    , @kaganovitch
    @European-American

    This is not really new. The conventional wisdom on the Kennedy assassination by a card carrying Communist was that the right wing climate of "hate" was responsible through some law of osmosis or something.

  8. @European-American
    > Hate crimes don’t happen in a vacuum. They occur
    > where bigotry is allowed to fester, where
    > minorities are vilified and where
    > people are scapegoated for political gain.

    A similar, but less serious example of this reasoning occurred in Paris in 2013.

    Two gays were severely beaten late one night. This happened around the time millions of traditionalists were taking to the streets to protest against the gay marriage law, which later passed. The badly beaten-up face of one of victims, Wilfred de Bruijn, was widely circulated.

    Though it wasn't immediately clear who had done the beating, many blamed the "atmosphere of homophobia" brought about by catholics and right-wingers opposed to gay marriage.

    If I recall correctly, it turned out the culprits were "youths", hardly surprising if you weren't plugged into the media narrative.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2307288/Paris-gay-attack-victim-Wilfred-Bruijns-Facebook-injuries-picture-goes-viral.html

    Replies: @European-American, @Lurker, @kaganovitch

    Five months later, four suspects of committing the homophobic beatings were arrested by the police. And indeed they turned out to be “youths” from the suburbs. Two were sentenced a year later. Their names were Taieb and Malik. It’s fair to surmise they were not Catholics worried about preserving the traditional family unit. (As should have been obvious just from the neighborhood where the crime happened). But so much later after the fact, no one was paying attention anymore.

    And so the regretful violence had at least the redeeming value of making people more aware of the danger of homophobia and of resisting social progress…

    I just saw Anderson Cooper berating a Florida official in charge of helping the Orlando victims and their families for not supporting gay marriage. It’s the same mechanism. If you ever had any doubts about any aspect of gay liberation, don’t you feel guilty now? If not, you’re a fascist and a murderer.

    (French article on the 2014 trial)
    http://www.lepoint.fr/societe/agression-homophobe-a-paris-de-18-a-24-mois-de-prison-ferme-requis-06-05-2014-1819654_23.php

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @European-American

    God bless those "teens" -- they're doing the jobs that White European Christians refuse to do anymore.

    Je suis Omar Mateen!

    , @Dov
    @European-American

    Agreed. Anderson Cooper's interview was disgraceful. CNN is ostensibly one of the "neutral" news networks, but their journalistic standards have gone out the window.

    , @Jefferson
    @European-American

    "Five months later, four suspects of committing the homophobic beatings were arrested by the police. And indeed they turned out to be “youths” from the suburbs. Two were sentenced a year later. Their names were Taieb and Malik. It’s fair to surmise they were not Catholics worried about preserving the traditional family unit."

    Muslim immigrants in France always give their kids Arabic first names and never French first names. Arab Muslims there really are hell bent against culturally assimilating into French culture.

    , @ben tillman
    @European-American


    I just saw Anderson Cooper berating a Florida official in charge of helping the Orlando victims and their families for not supporting gay marriage.
     
    Maybe someone should berate him for being a "racist" retard who can't pronounce Spanish names. I don't know how many more times I can hear 6 or 7 of the 9 letters in "Rodriguez" mispronounced before I snap. Message to Anderson Cooper, Linda Cohn, et al.: There is no "z" sound in Spanish!
    , @anpn
    @European-American

    I just saw Anderson Cooper berating a Florida official in charge of helping the Orlando victims and their families for not supporting gay marriage. It’s the same mechanism.

    For as scary as they claim white Republicans are, they sure seem to be AWFULLY willing to poke the tiger, don't they?

  9. Hate crimes don’t happen in a vacuum. They occur where bigotry is allowed to fester, where minorities are vilified and where people are scapegoated for political gain.

    How did that work with the Unabomber?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @backup

    Technically speaking, he didn't live in a vacuum. He lived in a shack in the woods cut off from all civilization, but not in a vacuum. Not to mention that he himself was a white male just like Omar Mateen, George Zimmerman and Brock Whashisname the rapist. So you are wrong.

    Replies: @Dirk Dagger

  10. A meme circulating on Facebook has portraits of Republican figures with the words “I am Omar Mateen” laid over their faces in a cool Helvetica typeface. The ones I recognized were ann coulter and Ted Cruz (!). There were 20 or so of these.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @27 year old

    That's pretty good, but it'd be funnier and stronger if it said "Je suis Omar Mateen."

    "Je suis" has a richer, more complex meaning than "I am."

    Je suis Omar Mateen!

  11. Omar Mateen lived in Fort Pierce, Florida, which is 40.9% black and 21.6% Hispanic. The city has a female mayor and two of its four city council members are named Rufus and Reginald (no need to click on their pictures to figure out what race they belong to). It’s so “diverse” that it’s pretty good odds that city council will be 100% non-white within 20 years.

    Somehow a brown, Muslim Democrat from a diverse city slaughtering other Democrats is the fault of Republicans. It always is.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Wilkey

    "Omar Mateen lived in Fort Pierce, Florida, which is 40.9% black and 21.6% Hispanic"

    With those racial demographics, the cost of living in Fort Pierce must be dirt cheap. It is obviously cheap enough not to price out a lot of Blacks from the city.

  12. @vinteuil
    In a way, one could almost feel sorry for him. He did his (sadly limited) best to express his motivation (i.e., resentment over American bombing of his native country, Afghanistan) - but everybody insists that it must really be something else, instead.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Forbes, @Olorin

    Liberals have to look for ‘nuance’ even if the answer is staring them in the face. How else are they meant to feel special and different if they just believe what is blatantly obvious.

    Coincidentally the ‘nuance’ is always that the real enemy is white males.

  13. The use of the word “corrosive” in the title indicates the essay was computer-generated.

    Robots are taking everyone’s jobs.

    • Replies: @myname1sl1nk
    @elmer t. jones

    I think failure at recognizing robots as robots, and mistaking them for humans, may lead to consequences.

  14. He was the equivalent of a drone directed at a middle eastern wedding party.

    Expect more.

  15. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Watching the 10 pm tv news the spin is very predictable. They downplayed his gayness and brought out some Muslim cleric who denounced violence and stated that Islam was a tolerant religion that loves everybody. However, I noticed he was a cleric of the Ahmadiyya sect, a persecuted minority within Islam based in Pakistan. The media always go to this unrepresentative sect for soundbites. This is part of the program of lying to the American public. The more one pays attention the more one realizes how everything is spin.

  16. Nothing about Muslims? Or Islam? Or immigration? Ho-hum, just business as usual at the NYT editorial board.

  17. My comment, published in the NYT
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/15/opinion/the-corrosive-politics-that-threaten-lgbt-americans.html?comments#permid=18849007 . Please vote it up if you agree.

    Beliavsky
    Boston 1 hour ago
    This editorial is a smear. The people who oppose gay marriage do not support murdering gays. Omar Mateen visited gay dating sites and gay nightclubs many times, something not mentioned in this piece, and this looks to be a case of homosexual self-hatred.

    • Replies: @Bettega
    @Beliavsky

    What we can learn from the last couple days is that conventional wisdom considers opposition to the political objectives of an activist group equals to a desire to see members of this group murdered. That's how we make sense out of this "Republicans killed these people because they opposed their demands". This also means that when leftists propose legislation against the rights of gun-owners, Christians and white males, what they really want to is to kill them all.

    Replies: @ben tillman

  18. Another fruitless word search, in today’s NYT:

    After F.B.I.’s Inquiry Into Omar Mateen, a Focus on What Else Could Be Done.

    Ctrl-f: “immig” …. no results

    • Replies: @NOTA
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The disturbing thing to me about this and the San Bernardino shooting is that they're laying down a new pattern for crazy people inclined toward mass shootings, especially if they're Muslim.

    This zero called 911 to proclaim his allegiance to ISIS just before he went on his murder spree. I think the San Bernardino idiots did something like that with a Facebook post right before or during their murder spree. That didn't make any difference anywhere else except in making sure their mass shootings would get more attention.

    The Orlando shooter also declared allegiance to a couple of other Islamic terrorist groups that are at war with ISIS--I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess he wasn't exactly a scholar of radical Islamic movements. (Or probably anything else.). He associated himself with those movements to get more attention for his crime.

  19. It’s amazing how every time some horrible thing like this happens, it turns out to be solid evidence for all the things I started out believing. All the people I already hated (whether Republicans or Muslims or white men) are clearly to blame. All the policies I supported before (whether banning guns or Muslim immigrants) have been clearly shown to be right, and only fools and shills could disagree with them.

  20. U.S. Congressman Don Beyer (D, VA) lays a nice dose of collective guilt on his constituents for a mass killing by a crazed Islamic lunatic. From his press release:

    “…we must recognize that homophobia cannot be contained. Hatred breeds hatred. We are horrified that one man targeted LGBT victims at two a.m. on an Orlando Sunday morning. But we are not blameless, when we tell government contractors it is okay to discriminate against someone because they are gay or lesbian – or tell transgender school children that we will not respect their gender identity.”

    Along with implying that anyone who uses rational arguments to protect girls’ and women’s privacy and safety in public rest rooms and locker rooms is in league with Islamic killers.

    Your tax dollars at work…

    • Replies: @guest
    @SteveM

    What alternative did he have? The "T" is right there in LGBTBBQASAP, and if one part of the alphabet soup is threatened all of the alphabet soup is in danger, QED (Wait, are those special minorities too?)

  21. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Another fruitless word search, in today’s NYT:

    After F.B.I.’s Inquiry Into Omar Mateen, a Focus on What Else Could Be Done.

    Ctrl-f: “immig” …. no results

    Replies: @NOTA

    The disturbing thing to me about this and the San Bernardino shooting is that they’re laying down a new pattern for crazy people inclined toward mass shootings, especially if they’re Muslim.

    This zero called 911 to proclaim his allegiance to ISIS just before he went on his murder spree. I think the San Bernardino idiots did something like that with a Facebook post right before or during their murder spree. That didn’t make any difference anywhere else except in making sure their mass shootings would get more attention.

    The Orlando shooter also declared allegiance to a couple of other Islamic terrorist groups that are at war with ISIS–I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess he wasn’t exactly a scholar of radical Islamic movements. (Or probably anything else.). He associated himself with those movements to get more attention for his crime.

  22. @Steve Sailer
    @kihowi

    The trouble with anything is that they are too Republican. And white. And male. And straight. And cisgender.

    Like I've been saying, the conventional wisdom isn't really all that intellectually sophisticated. It's just Who? Whom?

    Replies: @415 reasons

    This is a particularly bold attempted Jedi mind trick since Mateen was literally a registered Democrat

  23. @European-American
    @European-American

    Five months later, four suspects of committing the homophobic beatings were arrested by the police. And indeed they turned out to be "youths" from the suburbs. Two were sentenced a year later. Their names were Taieb and Malik. It's fair to surmise they were not Catholics worried about preserving the traditional family unit. (As should have been obvious just from the neighborhood where the crime happened). But so much later after the fact, no one was paying attention anymore.

    And so the regretful violence had at least the redeeming value of making people more aware of the danger of homophobia and of resisting social progress...

    I just saw Anderson Cooper berating a Florida official in charge of helping the Orlando victims and their families for not supporting gay marriage. It's the same mechanism. If you ever had any doubts about any aspect of gay liberation, don't you feel guilty now? If not, you're a fascist and a murderer.

    (French article on the 2014 trial)
    http://www.lepoint.fr/societe/agression-homophobe-a-paris-de-18-a-24-mois-de-prison-ferme-requis-06-05-2014-1819654_23.php

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Dov, @Jefferson, @ben tillman, @anpn

    God bless those “teens” — they’re doing the jobs that White European Christians refuse to do anymore.

    Je suis Omar Mateen!

  24. @27 year old
    A meme circulating on Facebook has portraits of Republican figures with the words "I am Omar Mateen" laid over their faces in a cool Helvetica typeface. The ones I recognized were ann coulter and Ted Cruz (!). There were 20 or so of these.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    That’s pretty good, but it’d be funnier and stronger if it said “Je suis Omar Mateen.”

    “Je suis” has a richer, more complex meaning than “I am.”

    Je suis Omar Mateen!

  25. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Your’s are all good, well thought out comments in which you meet the opposition on his terms by explaining and justifying why heteros aren’t to blame for what happened because we aren’t hateful etc.

    I would like to take mine in the opposite direction. For the most part, I don’t like gay men. Why? Because the thought or image of a whanger covered with sperm and another man’s feces revolts me. I simply can’t imagine anal sex with another man and it is hard for me to put that out of my mind when I’m in the presence of a gay man. Often gay men wear too much deodorant. The smell of perfume has nauseated me since I was a baby. I have always needed to work outdoors, not being able to tolerate closed-in spaces with their smells and artificial light.

    My revulsion is deep rooted. It is instinctual. Note that I am not denying other men the right to engage in anal sex. I am indifferent to what they do with their privates. But the act revolts me and as the most recent brain research has revealed, our sense of morality is tied in with activation of parts of the brain responsible for the feeling of revulsion. Their flowery scent activates deep centers of revulsion in my brain as well. So, this is real and physical, not merely culturally conditioned.

    I have a bright, eidetic imagination. I can’t watch an animal suffer or scenes depicting people hurt in car accidents etc. It is hard for me to repress images of gay men engaging in nasty practices when I’m in the presence of a flaming gay. So, for the most part I avoid them. I am a homophobe, but this doesn’t inspire me to acts of violence against gays. I prefer to avoid them–that’s what “phobe” means.

    People who feel as I do are unjustly lumped together with those who actively oppose or hate homosexuals. This is unfair.

    Some of us just aren’t born gay. I love women, their curves, scent, etc. And that’s that.

    Steve, I know you’ll be reluctant to publish this because it is controversial, but you should let it through. The part about the “revulsion” center in the brain and our sense of morality is scientifically true and may explain why these social issues are so difficult to resolve with simple formulas and laws.

    • Replies: @Mark F.
    @anonymous

    But girl on girl action is hot, right? ;-)

    , @Mark F.
    @anonymous

    You know, it's interesting. Many gay men avoid the really femme ones with too much cologne as well.

    , @John Derbyshire
    @anonymous

    Yep, it's the buggery.

    Replies: @tbraton

  26. Oh dear. Most my life I’ve felt bad that I helped kill JFK, too.

  27. @Anonymous
    It's become apparent that just because there was a favorable SCOTUS ruling last year on gay rights does not mean the LGBTQ community can let up on winning the battle any more than passage of the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments was the end of the battle for full expression of the civil rights of African Americans across the country. Instead, just like the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments, the SCOTUS rulings on gay rights will have to serve as foundations for specific enforcement of those rights, which will be subject to abridgement by GOP'ers at every political opportunity.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @boogerbently

    Are you proposing an Amendment to prohibit gay Muslims from killing other gays en masse?

    Capital notion!

  28. I am not surprised that the NY Times decided to blame the Orlando shooting on straight white Republicans: it’s just what they do. I am surprised that I haven’t drowned in a sea of anti-gun and gay martyrdom pageantry. But I suppose that will come later.

    As I noted yesterday, even if the Times ever allows itself to admit that this was probably a self-hating gay massacre (even if also by a Muslim) they will still find a way to blame straight white Republicans, because they don’t love LGBT’s enough.

    • Replies: @guest
    @SPMoore8

    No, you're missing the obvious. It's because Straight White Cisgendered Republicans are self-hating, latent homosexuals, too. Or at least that was the line a few years ago. They've let up on accusing everyone of closeted gayness lately, presumably because nothing negative can ever be associated with gayness, because gayness is next to godliness. However fun it is rile up straight people by calling them gay, there's an implication in doing so that there's something wrong with being gay.

    Replies: @Lurker

  29. res says:

    Current top Reader Pick (and a NYT Pick) comment begins:

    The Republican Party has blood on it’s hands. They would like everyone to believe this is was the act of a radical Muslim terrorist, but guess what? The shooter was born in the USA. He grew up here, not in a Muslim country. He is a natural born US citizen, not an immigrant.

    Unbelievable. Do they really not understand that it is possible for a radical Muslim terrorist to be born in the West?! And that more immigration just means we get more of these? Especially given the example of Europe right in front of us.

    I understand how immigration shills could write an editorial like this, but how on earth do they get so many people to drink the koolaid?

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @res

    After the Cologne rapefest a journalist wrote a breathless piece saying the haters were wrong - because most of the offenders caught turned out to be German citizens. See, nothing to do with immigration and refugees at all.

    , @Eric Novak
    @res

    Sincere thinking like this among a large percentage of the population is why secession may be necessary and inevitable.

  30. @backup

    Hate crimes don’t happen in a vacuum. They occur where bigotry is allowed to fester, where minorities are vilified and where people are scapegoated for political gain.
     
    How did that work with the Unabomber?

    Replies: @Jack D

    Technically speaking, he didn’t live in a vacuum. He lived in a shack in the woods cut off from all civilization, but not in a vacuum. Not to mention that he himself was a white male just like Omar Mateen, George Zimmerman and Brock Whashisname the rapist. So you are wrong.

    • Replies: @Dirk Dagger
    @Jack D


    Technically speaking, he didn’t live in a vacuum.
     
    Brilliant!
  31. The Unabomber also had a copy of Al Gore’s book Earth in the Balance in his cabin. Another hatefact flushed down the memory hole.

  32. @Jack D
    @backup

    Technically speaking, he didn't live in a vacuum. He lived in a shack in the woods cut off from all civilization, but not in a vacuum. Not to mention that he himself was a white male just like Omar Mateen, George Zimmerman and Brock Whashisname the rapist. So you are wrong.

    Replies: @Dirk Dagger

    Technically speaking, he didn’t live in a vacuum.

    Brilliant!

  33. The other day, TD did one of his parodies where he said something like, “this is all the fault of white male Republicans”, and I said, no, not even Salon is crazy enough to use that kind of pretzel logic, and someone else (I forget who) wrote, no, that’s really how leftists think. Anyway, to whoever said this, I apologize – you were right. Reading the comments to the editorial, the most upvoted ones all agree – somehow (I’m really not clear on the mechanism – “climate of hate” I guess) this MUST be the Republicans fault.

    But this has to be viewed in context – there must be real panic that Omar (and a few more like him between now and November, inch’allah) has potentially handed the keys to the White House to Trump, so desperate times call for desperate measures.

    • Agree: SPMoore8
    • Replies: @guest
    @Jack D

    "I'm really not clear on the mechanism - 'climate of hate' I guess"

    Yes, and I don't know why you're not clear. The mechanism is discussed regularly. Remember when they blamed the Gabby Giffords thing on Sarah Palin? I forget why. She painted targets over state elections she wanted to win, or something. Doesn't matter, because it doesn't have to make sense.

    Same thing with Trump bringing violent protests upon himself. The rioters are attracted to him because he said something once about his followers punching the face of people who threaten them, or something. That, and just the general air of his campaign, which thugs find threatening.

    , @tbraton
    @Jack D

    "But this has to be viewed in context – there must be real panic that Omar (and a few more like him between now and November, inch’allah) has potentially handed the keys to the White House to Trump, so desperate times call for desperate measures."

    As I noted on Sunday on another Sailer thread, the panic that this incident would work to Trump's advantage was evident on the Sunday talk shows. On MTP, one of the panelists sought to distinguish the Orlando gay club mass shootings from San Bernardino and argued it was more like the Charleston, S.C. church shootings and Sandy Hook in Connecticut, both perpetrated by white Americans. There was a palpable breath of relief when later that morning one of the local stations pronounced the shooting an "act of domestic terrorism" because the shooter had been born in the U.S. of Afghan immigrant parents.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @anon

    , @Lagertha
    @Jack D

    Yes. it does have to "be viewed in context": mentioned this a while back...the need by MSM/politicians to quickly throw the kitchen sink at the American public; flood the news feed about LGBTQ issues/ Bathroom usage policies/ education issues/ inequality/campus rape scenarios/ something to counteract the effect of fear by the growing number of Jihadies attacking innocent Americans randomly; and more importantly, counteracting a true discussion of unfettered immigration from troublesome parts of the world, or just letting in riff-raff who provide no benefit for the USA. Since when did it become bigoted to be afraid? People are allowed to feel fear.

    In some way, OM bringing up the heinous Tsarnaev brothers (like the San Bernadino "holiday party" wreckers) while killing, is an ironic problem for the MSM to control. Nobody has sympathy for them...and they killed with non-guns. And, the hapless Afghani father just saying stuff on TV....thought I was watching a parody with a Belushi character, or Borat, just further making cringe-worthy comments to defend/rationalize his son's actions.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia

  34. @European-American
    @European-American

    Five months later, four suspects of committing the homophobic beatings were arrested by the police. And indeed they turned out to be "youths" from the suburbs. Two were sentenced a year later. Their names were Taieb and Malik. It's fair to surmise they were not Catholics worried about preserving the traditional family unit. (As should have been obvious just from the neighborhood where the crime happened). But so much later after the fact, no one was paying attention anymore.

    And so the regretful violence had at least the redeeming value of making people more aware of the danger of homophobia and of resisting social progress...

    I just saw Anderson Cooper berating a Florida official in charge of helping the Orlando victims and their families for not supporting gay marriage. It's the same mechanism. If you ever had any doubts about any aspect of gay liberation, don't you feel guilty now? If not, you're a fascist and a murderer.

    (French article on the 2014 trial)
    http://www.lepoint.fr/societe/agression-homophobe-a-paris-de-18-a-24-mois-de-prison-ferme-requis-06-05-2014-1819654_23.php

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Dov, @Jefferson, @ben tillman, @anpn

    Agreed. Anderson Cooper’s interview was disgraceful. CNN is ostensibly one of the “neutral” news networks, but their journalistic standards have gone out the window.

  35. Nobody mentions that his preferred target was a Disney property. Pulse was the fallback target.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Perplexed


    Nobody mentions that his preferred target was a Disney property. Pulse was the fallback target.

     

    Excellent point. I've also noted how much this has been downplayed. A terrorist attack at Disney would have very far-reaching emotional/psychological effects on many, many Americans. Of course a Disney park would be a lot tougher to infiltrate with weapons than a nightclub.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  36. It seems to me that the NYT has become very gay-centric the last couple of years. Has there been a change in management that’s caused this?

    • Replies: @guest
    @Flip

    The entire country has become gay-centric.

  37. @Beliavsky
    My comment, published in the NYT
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/15/opinion/the-corrosive-politics-that-threaten-lgbt-americans.html?comments#permid=18849007 . Please vote it up if you agree.

    Beliavsky
    Boston 1 hour ago
    This editorial is a smear. The people who oppose gay marriage do not support murdering gays. Omar Mateen visited gay dating sites and gay nightclubs many times, something not mentioned in this piece, and this looks to be a case of homosexual self-hatred.

    Replies: @Bettega

    What we can learn from the last couple days is that conventional wisdom considers opposition to the political objectives of an activist group equals to a desire to see members of this group murdered. That’s how we make sense out of this “Republicans killed these people because they opposed their demands”. This also means that when leftists propose legislation against the rights of gun-owners, Christians and white males, what they really want to is to kill them all.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Bettega


    What we can learn from the last couple days is that conventional wisdom considers opposition to the political objectives of an activist group equals to a desire to see members of this group murdered.
     
    Projection, anyone?
  38. “where people are scapegoated for political gain”

    the irony is strong in that statement……as the NYT vilifies an entire political party …..for political gain.

  39. @SteveM
    U.S. Congressman Don Beyer (D, VA) lays a nice dose of collective guilt on his constituents for a mass killing by a crazed Islamic lunatic. From his press release:

    "...we must recognize that homophobia cannot be contained. Hatred breeds hatred. We are horrified that one man targeted LGBT victims at two a.m. on an Orlando Sunday morning. But we are not blameless, when we tell government contractors it is okay to discriminate against someone because they are gay or lesbian – or tell transgender school children that we will not respect their gender identity."

    Along with implying that anyone who uses rational arguments to protect girls’ and women’s privacy and safety in public rest rooms and locker rooms is in league with Islamic killers.

    Your tax dollars at work...

    Replies: @guest

    What alternative did he have? The “T” is right there in LGBTBBQASAP, and if one part of the alphabet soup is threatened all of the alphabet soup is in danger, QED (Wait, are those special minorities too?)

  40. @SPMoore8
    I am not surprised that the NY Times decided to blame the Orlando shooting on straight white Republicans: it's just what they do. I am surprised that I haven't drowned in a sea of anti-gun and gay martyrdom pageantry. But I suppose that will come later.

    As I noted yesterday, even if the Times ever allows itself to admit that this was probably a self-hating gay massacre (even if also by a Muslim) they will still find a way to blame straight white Republicans, because they don't love LGBT's enough.

    Replies: @guest

    No, you’re missing the obvious. It’s because Straight White Cisgendered Republicans are self-hating, latent homosexuals, too. Or at least that was the line a few years ago. They’ve let up on accusing everyone of closeted gayness lately, presumably because nothing negative can ever be associated with gayness, because gayness is next to godliness. However fun it is rile up straight people by calling them gay, there’s an implication in doing so that there’s something wrong with being gay.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @guest


    because gayness is next to godliness.
     
    Hater! It's way better than that!

    However fun it is rile up straight people by calling them gay, there’s an implication in doing so that there’s something wrong with being gay
     
    There is a whole passive/aggressive thing going on. Being gay is, of course, the greatest thing that could ever happen in the known universe. (Well, until about a year ago when being tranny became the most important thing ever)

    But one notes that in TV land it's largely white men that are depicted as gay and very rarely anyone else, I guess that's white privilege? So white men are slurred as weak and effeminate while the culture warriors, straight faced, claim that being gay is fantastic.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  41. @Jack D
    The other day, TD did one of his parodies where he said something like, "this is all the fault of white male Republicans", and I said, no, not even Salon is crazy enough to use that kind of pretzel logic, and someone else (I forget who) wrote, no, that's really how leftists think. Anyway, to whoever said this, I apologize - you were right. Reading the comments to the editorial, the most upvoted ones all agree - somehow (I'm really not clear on the mechanism - "climate of hate" I guess) this MUST be the Republicans fault.

    But this has to be viewed in context - there must be real panic that Omar (and a few more like him between now and November, inch'allah) has potentially handed the keys to the White House to Trump, so desperate times call for desperate measures.

    Replies: @guest, @tbraton, @Lagertha

    “I’m really not clear on the mechanism – ‘climate of hate’ I guess”

    Yes, and I don’t know why you’re not clear. The mechanism is discussed regularly. Remember when they blamed the Gabby Giffords thing on Sarah Palin? I forget why. She painted targets over state elections she wanted to win, or something. Doesn’t matter, because it doesn’t have to make sense.

    Same thing with Trump bringing violent protests upon himself. The rioters are attracted to him because he said something once about his followers punching the face of people who threaten them, or something. That, and just the general air of his campaign, which thugs find threatening.

  42. @Jack D
    The other day, TD did one of his parodies where he said something like, "this is all the fault of white male Republicans", and I said, no, not even Salon is crazy enough to use that kind of pretzel logic, and someone else (I forget who) wrote, no, that's really how leftists think. Anyway, to whoever said this, I apologize - you were right. Reading the comments to the editorial, the most upvoted ones all agree - somehow (I'm really not clear on the mechanism - "climate of hate" I guess) this MUST be the Republicans fault.

    But this has to be viewed in context - there must be real panic that Omar (and a few more like him between now and November, inch'allah) has potentially handed the keys to the White House to Trump, so desperate times call for desperate measures.

    Replies: @guest, @tbraton, @Lagertha

    “But this has to be viewed in context – there must be real panic that Omar (and a few more like him between now and November, inch’allah) has potentially handed the keys to the White House to Trump, so desperate times call for desperate measures.”

    As I noted on Sunday on another Sailer thread, the panic that this incident would work to Trump’s advantage was evident on the Sunday talk shows. On MTP, one of the panelists sought to distinguish the Orlando gay club mass shootings from San Bernardino and argued it was more like the Charleston, S.C. church shootings and Sandy Hook in Connecticut, both perpetrated by white Americans. There was a palpable breath of relief when later that morning one of the local stations pronounced the shooting an “act of domestic terrorism” because the shooter had been born in the U.S. of Afghan immigrant parents.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @tbraton

    tbraton, Domestic terrorism or imported terrorism, like choosing a wine to go with dinner, but with the NYT that would be "whine."

    , @anon
    @tbraton

    On MTP, one of the panelists sought to distinguish the Orlando gay club mass shootings from San Bernardino and argued it was more like the Charleston, S.C. church shootings

    The obvious difference being that, in that shooting, we were all supposed to think about what motivated him, and not just the fact that he could get a gun.

    Replies: @tbraton

  43. @Jack D
    The other day, TD did one of his parodies where he said something like, "this is all the fault of white male Republicans", and I said, no, not even Salon is crazy enough to use that kind of pretzel logic, and someone else (I forget who) wrote, no, that's really how leftists think. Anyway, to whoever said this, I apologize - you were right. Reading the comments to the editorial, the most upvoted ones all agree - somehow (I'm really not clear on the mechanism - "climate of hate" I guess) this MUST be the Republicans fault.

    But this has to be viewed in context - there must be real panic that Omar (and a few more like him between now and November, inch'allah) has potentially handed the keys to the White House to Trump, so desperate times call for desperate measures.

    Replies: @guest, @tbraton, @Lagertha

    Yes. it does have to “be viewed in context”: mentioned this a while back…the need by MSM/politicians to quickly throw the kitchen sink at the American public; flood the news feed about LGBTQ issues/ Bathroom usage policies/ education issues/ inequality/campus rape scenarios/ something to counteract the effect of fear by the growing number of Jihadies attacking innocent Americans randomly; and more importantly, counteracting a true discussion of unfettered immigration from troublesome parts of the world, or just letting in riff-raff who provide no benefit for the USA. Since when did it become bigoted to be afraid? People are allowed to feel fear.

    In some way, OM bringing up the heinous Tsarnaev brothers (like the San Bernadino “holiday party” wreckers) while killing, is an ironic problem for the MSM to control. Nobody has sympathy for them…and they killed with non-guns. And, the hapless Afghani father just saying stuff on TV….thought I was watching a parody with a Belushi character, or Borat, just further making cringe-worthy comments to defend/rationalize his son’s actions.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @Lagertha

    The whole situation really is surreal. I too, have gotten the feeling I am watching a bizarro world show.

    Possibly latent homosexual wife-beating son (married to an Uzbek (!- how rare is that?) and Palestinian) of CIA-entangled Afghan immigrants shoots up 50 gay Puerto Ricans. Borat father blames nightclub security for the shooting, vehemently denies rumors of son being gay while acknowledging he's guilty of terrorism. Afghan boy wants to be cop and brings Borat dad to argue with administrator of police academy he can't get into (considering this was a year ago, this is probably the point in which he started planning an attack). While shooting up the nightclub he calls 911 to pledge allegiance to a hodgepodge of Sunni and Shia terrorist groups, and makes a point to not be seen as racist towards blacks, saying they have suffered enough. Also turns out the terrorist worked for some DHS affiliated agency that did security detail on the Gulf Coast during the oil spill.

    Then media spins this very interesting story with a lot of different angles into just another "hate crime against LGBTQs influenced by white Christian bigots, guns and Brock Turner rape toxic climate of masculinity"

    Oh, and it's all in Florida and the day afterwards the press is covering a kid that got eaten by an alligator.

    Replies: @anon, @Jefferson

  44. @Anonymous
    It's become apparent that just because there was a favorable SCOTUS ruling last year on gay rights does not mean the LGBTQ community can let up on winning the battle any more than passage of the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments was the end of the battle for full expression of the civil rights of African Americans across the country. Instead, just like the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments, the SCOTUS rulings on gay rights will have to serve as foundations for specific enforcement of those rights, which will be subject to abridgement by GOP'ers at every political opportunity.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @boogerbently

    Do people of the LGBTQxyz persuasion suffer a greater % of “mental problems” ?
    Any HBD input.

  45. @vinteuil
    In a way, one could almost feel sorry for him. He did his (sadly limited) best to express his motivation (i.e., resentment over American bombing of his native country, Afghanistan) - but everybody insists that it must really be something else, instead.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Forbes, @Olorin

    Except that Mateen is not a native of Afghanistan–so, of course, it must really be something else, instead.

  46. Try this:

    According to surveys, 4.6 percent of the overall U.S. population has self-reported a suicide attempt, with that number climbing to between 10 and 20 percent for lesbian, gay or bisexual respondents. By comparison, 41 percent of trans or gender non-conforming people surveyed have attempted suicide.

    http://www.vocativ.com/culture/lgbt/transgender-suicide/

    As an educated, cisgendered White male, I’m sure this is all my fault since I agree with Freud that LGBTQXYZ lifestyles are the result of unresolved adolescent identity issues; that is, a failure to grow up and become mature adults. All of this should be expected in a feminized culture full of “Snowflakes”, Beta Males, and 2nd-wave Feminists with penis envy. I guess it’s a burden I’m just going to have to bear.

    It is a strange world indeed when married people with families are seen to be the deviants in need of psychological intervention.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @myname1sl1nk
    @TheJester

    Well... basically the dominion holding groups prescribe "psychological intervention" to their rivals in the struggle for power.

    Are you aware of any time and place where that was not so?

  47. @European-American
    > Hate crimes don’t happen in a vacuum. They occur
    > where bigotry is allowed to fester, where
    > minorities are vilified and where
    > people are scapegoated for political gain.

    A similar, but less serious example of this reasoning occurred in Paris in 2013.

    Two gays were severely beaten late one night. This happened around the time millions of traditionalists were taking to the streets to protest against the gay marriage law, which later passed. The badly beaten-up face of one of victims, Wilfred de Bruijn, was widely circulated.

    Though it wasn't immediately clear who had done the beating, many blamed the "atmosphere of homophobia" brought about by catholics and right-wingers opposed to gay marriage.

    If I recall correctly, it turned out the culprits were "youths", hardly surprising if you weren't plugged into the media narrative.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2307288/Paris-gay-attack-victim-Wilfred-Bruijns-Facebook-injuries-picture-goes-viral.html

    Replies: @European-American, @Lurker, @kaganovitch

    The mystery – how is it that the evil cisgendered, homophobic values of evil whitey are so easily transmitted to innocent brown/black/Muslim youths but not stuff like not committing crime?

  48. @guest
    @SPMoore8

    No, you're missing the obvious. It's because Straight White Cisgendered Republicans are self-hating, latent homosexuals, too. Or at least that was the line a few years ago. They've let up on accusing everyone of closeted gayness lately, presumably because nothing negative can ever be associated with gayness, because gayness is next to godliness. However fun it is rile up straight people by calling them gay, there's an implication in doing so that there's something wrong with being gay.

    Replies: @Lurker

    because gayness is next to godliness.

    Hater! It’s way better than that!

    However fun it is rile up straight people by calling them gay, there’s an implication in doing so that there’s something wrong with being gay

    There is a whole passive/aggressive thing going on. Being gay is, of course, the greatest thing that could ever happen in the known universe. (Well, until about a year ago when being tranny became the most important thing ever)

    But one notes that in TV land it’s largely white men that are depicted as gay and very rarely anyone else, I guess that’s white privilege? So white men are slurred as weak and effeminate while the culture warriors, straight faced, claim that being gay is fantastic.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Lurker

    Lurker, Yes, being a tranny is so yesterday. Imagine the suffering that Richard Simmons, the exercise guru, is going through. He had implants and a chop job and he only makes the cover of National Enquirer. No TV show or courage award shout outs. I know this because I was in a long check out line at the grocery store.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  49. @res
    Current top Reader Pick (and a NYT Pick) comment begins:

    The Republican Party has blood on it's hands. They would like everyone to believe this is was the act of a radical Muslim terrorist, but guess what? The shooter was born in the USA. He grew up here, not in a Muslim country. He is a natural born US citizen, not an immigrant.
     
    Unbelievable. Do they really not understand that it is possible for a radical Muslim terrorist to be born in the West?! And that more immigration just means we get more of these? Especially given the example of Europe right in front of us.

    I understand how immigration shills could write an editorial like this, but how on earth do they get so many people to drink the koolaid?

    Replies: @Lurker, @Eric Novak

    After the Cologne rapefest a journalist wrote a breathless piece saying the haters were wrong – because most of the offenders caught turned out to be German citizens. See, nothing to do with immigration and refugees at all.

  50. @European-American
    > Hate crimes don’t happen in a vacuum. They occur
    > where bigotry is allowed to fester, where
    > minorities are vilified and where
    > people are scapegoated for political gain.

    A similar, but less serious example of this reasoning occurred in Paris in 2013.

    Two gays were severely beaten late one night. This happened around the time millions of traditionalists were taking to the streets to protest against the gay marriage law, which later passed. The badly beaten-up face of one of victims, Wilfred de Bruijn, was widely circulated.

    Though it wasn't immediately clear who had done the beating, many blamed the "atmosphere of homophobia" brought about by catholics and right-wingers opposed to gay marriage.

    If I recall correctly, it turned out the culprits were "youths", hardly surprising if you weren't plugged into the media narrative.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2307288/Paris-gay-attack-victim-Wilfred-Bruijns-Facebook-injuries-picture-goes-viral.html

    Replies: @European-American, @Lurker, @kaganovitch

    This is not really new. The conventional wisdom on the Kennedy assassination by a card carrying Communist was that the right wing climate of “hate” was responsible through some law of osmosis or something.

  51. @Flip
    It seems to me that the NYT has become very gay-centric the last couple of years. Has there been a change in management that's caused this?

    Replies: @guest

    The entire country has become gay-centric.

  52. @anonymous
    Your's are all good, well thought out comments in which you meet the opposition on his terms by explaining and justifying why heteros aren't to blame for what happened because we aren't hateful etc.

    I would like to take mine in the opposite direction. For the most part, I don't like gay men. Why? Because the thought or image of a whanger covered with sperm and another man's feces revolts me. I simply can't imagine anal sex with another man and it is hard for me to put that out of my mind when I'm in the presence of a gay man. Often gay men wear too much deodorant. The smell of perfume has nauseated me since I was a baby. I have always needed to work outdoors, not being able to tolerate closed-in spaces with their smells and artificial light.

    My revulsion is deep rooted. It is instinctual. Note that I am not denying other men the right to engage in anal sex. I am indifferent to what they do with their privates. But the act revolts me and as the most recent brain research has revealed, our sense of morality is tied in with activation of parts of the brain responsible for the feeling of revulsion. Their flowery scent activates deep centers of revulsion in my brain as well. So, this is real and physical, not merely culturally conditioned.

    I have a bright, eidetic imagination. I can't watch an animal suffer or scenes depicting people hurt in car accidents etc. It is hard for me to repress images of gay men engaging in nasty practices when I'm in the presence of a flaming gay. So, for the most part I avoid them. I am a homophobe, but this doesn't inspire me to acts of violence against gays. I prefer to avoid them--that's what "phobe" means.

    People who feel as I do are unjustly lumped together with those who actively oppose or hate homosexuals. This is unfair.

    Some of us just aren't born gay. I love women, their curves, scent, etc. And that's that.

    Steve, I know you'll be reluctant to publish this because it is controversial, but you should let it through. The part about the "revulsion" center in the brain and our sense of morality is scientifically true and may explain why these social issues are so difficult to resolve with simple formulas and laws.

    Replies: @Mark F., @Mark F., @John Derbyshire

    But girl on girl action is hot, right? 😉

  53. @anonymous
    Your's are all good, well thought out comments in which you meet the opposition on his terms by explaining and justifying why heteros aren't to blame for what happened because we aren't hateful etc.

    I would like to take mine in the opposite direction. For the most part, I don't like gay men. Why? Because the thought or image of a whanger covered with sperm and another man's feces revolts me. I simply can't imagine anal sex with another man and it is hard for me to put that out of my mind when I'm in the presence of a gay man. Often gay men wear too much deodorant. The smell of perfume has nauseated me since I was a baby. I have always needed to work outdoors, not being able to tolerate closed-in spaces with their smells and artificial light.

    My revulsion is deep rooted. It is instinctual. Note that I am not denying other men the right to engage in anal sex. I am indifferent to what they do with their privates. But the act revolts me and as the most recent brain research has revealed, our sense of morality is tied in with activation of parts of the brain responsible for the feeling of revulsion. Their flowery scent activates deep centers of revulsion in my brain as well. So, this is real and physical, not merely culturally conditioned.

    I have a bright, eidetic imagination. I can't watch an animal suffer or scenes depicting people hurt in car accidents etc. It is hard for me to repress images of gay men engaging in nasty practices when I'm in the presence of a flaming gay. So, for the most part I avoid them. I am a homophobe, but this doesn't inspire me to acts of violence against gays. I prefer to avoid them--that's what "phobe" means.

    People who feel as I do are unjustly lumped together with those who actively oppose or hate homosexuals. This is unfair.

    Some of us just aren't born gay. I love women, their curves, scent, etc. And that's that.

    Steve, I know you'll be reluctant to publish this because it is controversial, but you should let it through. The part about the "revulsion" center in the brain and our sense of morality is scientifically true and may explain why these social issues are so difficult to resolve with simple formulas and laws.

    Replies: @Mark F., @Mark F., @John Derbyshire

    You know, it’s interesting. Many gay men avoid the really femme ones with too much cologne as well.

  54. @European-American
    @European-American

    Five months later, four suspects of committing the homophobic beatings were arrested by the police. And indeed they turned out to be "youths" from the suburbs. Two were sentenced a year later. Their names were Taieb and Malik. It's fair to surmise they were not Catholics worried about preserving the traditional family unit. (As should have been obvious just from the neighborhood where the crime happened). But so much later after the fact, no one was paying attention anymore.

    And so the regretful violence had at least the redeeming value of making people more aware of the danger of homophobia and of resisting social progress...

    I just saw Anderson Cooper berating a Florida official in charge of helping the Orlando victims and their families for not supporting gay marriage. It's the same mechanism. If you ever had any doubts about any aspect of gay liberation, don't you feel guilty now? If not, you're a fascist and a murderer.

    (French article on the 2014 trial)
    http://www.lepoint.fr/societe/agression-homophobe-a-paris-de-18-a-24-mois-de-prison-ferme-requis-06-05-2014-1819654_23.php

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Dov, @Jefferson, @ben tillman, @anpn

    “Five months later, four suspects of committing the homophobic beatings were arrested by the police. And indeed they turned out to be “youths” from the suburbs. Two were sentenced a year later. Their names were Taieb and Malik. It’s fair to surmise they were not Catholics worried about preserving the traditional family unit.”

    Muslim immigrants in France always give their kids Arabic first names and never French first names. Arab Muslims there really are hell bent against culturally assimilating into French culture.

  55. I’m reminded of just three years ago (2013) when, on the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination, either the NY Times or Wapo ran an article blaming right-wingers for “creating the atmosphere” in Dallas that led to Oswald shooting Kennedy.* Or something.

    The article wasn’t terribly clear on how right-wingers made a communist like Oswald shoot Kennedy because Kennedy was right-wing on communism (Kennedy was a strong anti-commie, and wasn’t shy about using force against them. He was the one who got hostile with Cuba and the Soviets over Castro and the Cuban missile crisis. His strong anti-communism neutered one of Nixons big strengths, which was being a fierce anti-commie himself).

    But hey, it was all those evil redneck right-wing Texans fault! If Kennedy hadn’t been shot by them, we’d all be living in a Swedish multicultural socialist paradise and worshiping at a statute of Logic and Papa Joe!

    *The article took it as a given that Oswald shot Kennedy.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @whorefinder

    I like Steve's Magic Dirt formulation, and I will suggest one of my own - "Atmosphere of Hate".

    Just as moving 85 IQ Mexican peasants to Westchester NY (Magic Dirt) will cause them to flourish, assimilate, and produce brain surgeons and Nobel Prize winners in just a few generations, so too will an Atmosphere of Hate cause peaceful Muslims to shoot up a Christmas party or a gay bar full of Hispanics.

    Dose Wascally Wepublicans! Is there no end to their Evil?

    Replies: @whorefinder

    , @guest
    @whorefinder

    The atmosphere of hate was the reaction at the time, as well, not just 50 years later. Imagine yourself a 1963 liberal. Walter Cronkite, for instance. You hear Kennedy was shot in Dallas. Whom do you suspect? When you hear it was a pro-Castro pinko how does that make you feel? More importantly, how is that useful? Jackie herself, if I recall correctly, said something like "Why couldn't he have died for Civil Rights?" So they pretended he did and passed the poisonous 65 bill.

    It never sat right with them, which is one reason the conspiracy theories are as popular as they are. For those who didn't go the conspiracy route, they fell back on what the Devil said in the Rolling Stones song, "after all, it was you and me." We're all guilty, because it couldn't have been a Social Justice Assassin.

  56. Worst. False flag. Ever.

  57. @tbraton
    @Jack D

    "But this has to be viewed in context – there must be real panic that Omar (and a few more like him between now and November, inch’allah) has potentially handed the keys to the White House to Trump, so desperate times call for desperate measures."

    As I noted on Sunday on another Sailer thread, the panic that this incident would work to Trump's advantage was evident on the Sunday talk shows. On MTP, one of the panelists sought to distinguish the Orlando gay club mass shootings from San Bernardino and argued it was more like the Charleston, S.C. church shootings and Sandy Hook in Connecticut, both perpetrated by white Americans. There was a palpable breath of relief when later that morning one of the local stations pronounced the shooting an "act of domestic terrorism" because the shooter had been born in the U.S. of Afghan immigrant parents.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @anon

    tbraton, Domestic terrorism or imported terrorism, like choosing a wine to go with dinner, but with the NYT that would be “whine.”

  58. In a way, one could almost feel sorry for him. He did his (sadly limited) best to express his motivation (i.e., resentment over American bombing of his native country, Afghanistan) – but everybody insists that it must really be something else, instead.

    Yes, living as a conflicted (because Muslim) homosexual for years, then shooting up a gay bar while screaming “Allahu Akbar” after pledging allegiance to Islamic State is obviously an Arab’s best effort at not giving people the impression that he had teh ghey issues. What with Arabs being bumbling idiots who can’t even crash a plane into the broad side of a skyscraper, it only makes sense.

    But girl on girl action is hot, right? 😉

    Kinda dull, really. Couple lazy overpaid chicks farting around.

    The Republican Party has blood on it’s hands. They would like everyone to believe this is was the act of a radical Muslim terrorist, but guess what? The shooter was born in the USA. He grew up here, not in a Muslim country. He is a natural born US citizen, not an immigrant.

    Of course, if you say things like “USA is not a Muslim country,” or “USA is a Christian country,” etc., liberals go ape and expound at length on…whatever they expound on while proving USA is a Muslim, non-Christian country.

    But if they had internal logic filters, they wouldn’t be liberals.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Svigor

    "Of course, if you say things like “USA is not a Muslim country,” or “USA is a Christian country,” etc., liberals go ape and expound at length on…whatever they expound on while proving USA is a Muslim, non-Christian country.

    But if they had internal logic filters, they wouldn’t be liberals."

    To Liberals the only time The U.S is a Christian nation is when American born Muslims with immigrant parents behave badly. Omar Mateen was born in The U.S, there for he was a White Christian Republican terrorist who was going to vote for Donald Trump before he was killed.

  59. @Lurker
    @guest


    because gayness is next to godliness.
     
    Hater! It's way better than that!

    However fun it is rile up straight people by calling them gay, there’s an implication in doing so that there’s something wrong with being gay
     
    There is a whole passive/aggressive thing going on. Being gay is, of course, the greatest thing that could ever happen in the known universe. (Well, until about a year ago when being tranny became the most important thing ever)

    But one notes that in TV land it's largely white men that are depicted as gay and very rarely anyone else, I guess that's white privilege? So white men are slurred as weak and effeminate while the culture warriors, straight faced, claim that being gay is fantastic.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Lurker, Yes, being a tranny is so yesterday. Imagine the suffering that Richard Simmons, the exercise guru, is going through. He had implants and a chop job and he only makes the cover of National Enquirer. No TV show or courage award shout outs. I know this because I was in a long check out line at the grocery store.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Buffalo Joe

    What is a "chop job"? I found this: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Chop+Job

  60. @whorefinder
    I'm reminded of just three years ago (2013) when, on the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination, either the NY Times or Wapo ran an article blaming right-wingers for "creating the atmosphere" in Dallas that led to Oswald shooting Kennedy.* Or something.

    The article wasn't terribly clear on how right-wingers made a communist like Oswald shoot Kennedy because Kennedy was right-wing on communism (Kennedy was a strong anti-commie, and wasn't shy about using force against them. He was the one who got hostile with Cuba and the Soviets over Castro and the Cuban missile crisis. His strong anti-communism neutered one of Nixons big strengths, which was being a fierce anti-commie himself).

    But hey, it was all those evil redneck right-wing Texans fault! If Kennedy hadn't been shot by them, we'd all be living in a Swedish multicultural socialist paradise and worshiping at a statute of Logic and Papa Joe!

    *The article took it as a given that Oswald shot Kennedy.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @guest

    I like Steve’s Magic Dirt formulation, and I will suggest one of my own – “Atmosphere of Hate”.

    Just as moving 85 IQ Mexican peasants to Westchester NY (Magic Dirt) will cause them to flourish, assimilate, and produce brain surgeons and Nobel Prize winners in just a few generations, so too will an Atmosphere of Hate cause peaceful Muslims to shoot up a Christmas party or a gay bar full of Hispanics.

    Dose Wascally Wepublicans! Is there no end to their Evil?

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    @Jim Don Bob

    If you don't believe Leftism is a cultish religion, here's a short proof for you: look at how many "problems" (as defined by leftists) have either zero or flimsy proof to support them, and, when you point this out, the leftists claim that the fact that there is no proof is only proof that the problem exists.

    Racism
    Sexism
    Homophobia
    Transphobia
    Islamophobia
    White Privilege
    Climate Change
    etc.

    Their entire religion is based on the notion that the opposing side is engaged in a high-level coverup of all the evidence of their actions while at the same time ruthlessly persecuting people right when the watchdogs backs are turned. And, at the same time, creating an ethereal "Atmosphere of Hate" that causes evidence undermining the Leftist position to magically appear.

    It truly is a religion of paranoia.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @S. anonyia

  61. @Svigor

    In a way, one could almost feel sorry for him. He did his (sadly limited) best to express his motivation (i.e., resentment over American bombing of his native country, Afghanistan) – but everybody insists that it must really be something else, instead.
     
    Yes, living as a conflicted (because Muslim) homosexual for years, then shooting up a gay bar while screaming "Allahu Akbar" after pledging allegiance to Islamic State is obviously an Arab's best effort at not giving people the impression that he had teh ghey issues. What with Arabs being bumbling idiots who can't even crash a plane into the broad side of a skyscraper, it only makes sense.

    But girl on girl action is hot, right? ;-)
     
    Kinda dull, really. Couple lazy overpaid chicks farting around.

    The Republican Party has blood on it’s hands. They would like everyone to believe this is was the act of a radical Muslim terrorist, but guess what? The shooter was born in the USA. He grew up here, not in a Muslim country. He is a natural born US citizen, not an immigrant.
     
    Of course, if you say things like "USA is not a Muslim country," or "USA is a Christian country," etc., liberals go ape and expound at length on...whatever they expound on while proving USA is a Muslim, non-Christian country.

    But if they had internal logic filters, they wouldn't be liberals.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Of course, if you say things like “USA is not a Muslim country,” or “USA is a Christian country,” etc., liberals go ape and expound at length on…whatever they expound on while proving USA is a Muslim, non-Christian country.

    But if they had internal logic filters, they wouldn’t be liberals.”

    To Liberals the only time The U.S is a Christian nation is when American born Muslims with immigrant parents behave badly. Omar Mateen was born in The U.S, there for he was a White Christian Republican terrorist who was going to vote for Donald Trump before he was killed.

  62. @Buffalo Joe
    @Lurker

    Lurker, Yes, being a tranny is so yesterday. Imagine the suffering that Richard Simmons, the exercise guru, is going through. He had implants and a chop job and he only makes the cover of National Enquirer. No TV show or courage award shout outs. I know this because I was in a long check out line at the grocery store.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    What is a “chop job”? I found this: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Chop+Job

  63. @Lagertha
    @Jack D

    Yes. it does have to "be viewed in context": mentioned this a while back...the need by MSM/politicians to quickly throw the kitchen sink at the American public; flood the news feed about LGBTQ issues/ Bathroom usage policies/ education issues/ inequality/campus rape scenarios/ something to counteract the effect of fear by the growing number of Jihadies attacking innocent Americans randomly; and more importantly, counteracting a true discussion of unfettered immigration from troublesome parts of the world, or just letting in riff-raff who provide no benefit for the USA. Since when did it become bigoted to be afraid? People are allowed to feel fear.

    In some way, OM bringing up the heinous Tsarnaev brothers (like the San Bernadino "holiday party" wreckers) while killing, is an ironic problem for the MSM to control. Nobody has sympathy for them...and they killed with non-guns. And, the hapless Afghani father just saying stuff on TV....thought I was watching a parody with a Belushi character, or Borat, just further making cringe-worthy comments to defend/rationalize his son's actions.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia

    The whole situation really is surreal. I too, have gotten the feeling I am watching a bizarro world show.

    Possibly latent homosexual wife-beating son (married to an Uzbek (!- how rare is that?) and Palestinian) of CIA-entangled Afghan immigrants shoots up 50 gay Puerto Ricans. Borat father blames nightclub security for the shooting, vehemently denies rumors of son being gay while acknowledging he’s guilty of terrorism. Afghan boy wants to be cop and brings Borat dad to argue with administrator of police academy he can’t get into (considering this was a year ago, this is probably the point in which he started planning an attack). While shooting up the nightclub he calls 911 to pledge allegiance to a hodgepodge of Sunni and Shia terrorist groups, and makes a point to not be seen as racist towards blacks, saying they have suffered enough. Also turns out the terrorist worked for some DHS affiliated agency that did security detail on the Gulf Coast during the oil spill.

    Then media spins this very interesting story with a lot of different angles into just another “hate crime against LGBTQs influenced by white Christian bigots, guns and Brock Turner rape toxic climate of masculinity”

    Oh, and it’s all in Florida and the day afterwards the press is covering a kid that got eaten by an alligator.

    • Replies: @anon
    @S. Anonyia

    If you could figure out how to work in that fat guy getting naked at the libertarian convention, you'd have a pretty decent Thomas Pynchon novel.

    , @Jefferson
    @S. Anonyia

    "Oh, and it’s all in Florida and the day afterwards the press is covering a kid that got eaten by an alligator."

    Orlando is having the worst week ever.

  64. @S. Anonyia
    @Lagertha

    The whole situation really is surreal. I too, have gotten the feeling I am watching a bizarro world show.

    Possibly latent homosexual wife-beating son (married to an Uzbek (!- how rare is that?) and Palestinian) of CIA-entangled Afghan immigrants shoots up 50 gay Puerto Ricans. Borat father blames nightclub security for the shooting, vehemently denies rumors of son being gay while acknowledging he's guilty of terrorism. Afghan boy wants to be cop and brings Borat dad to argue with administrator of police academy he can't get into (considering this was a year ago, this is probably the point in which he started planning an attack). While shooting up the nightclub he calls 911 to pledge allegiance to a hodgepodge of Sunni and Shia terrorist groups, and makes a point to not be seen as racist towards blacks, saying they have suffered enough. Also turns out the terrorist worked for some DHS affiliated agency that did security detail on the Gulf Coast during the oil spill.

    Then media spins this very interesting story with a lot of different angles into just another "hate crime against LGBTQs influenced by white Christian bigots, guns and Brock Turner rape toxic climate of masculinity"

    Oh, and it's all in Florida and the day afterwards the press is covering a kid that got eaten by an alligator.

    Replies: @anon, @Jefferson

    If you could figure out how to work in that fat guy getting naked at the libertarian convention, you’d have a pretty decent Thomas Pynchon novel.

  65. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @tbraton
    @Jack D

    "But this has to be viewed in context – there must be real panic that Omar (and a few more like him between now and November, inch’allah) has potentially handed the keys to the White House to Trump, so desperate times call for desperate measures."

    As I noted on Sunday on another Sailer thread, the panic that this incident would work to Trump's advantage was evident on the Sunday talk shows. On MTP, one of the panelists sought to distinguish the Orlando gay club mass shootings from San Bernardino and argued it was more like the Charleston, S.C. church shootings and Sandy Hook in Connecticut, both perpetrated by white Americans. There was a palpable breath of relief when later that morning one of the local stations pronounced the shooting an "act of domestic terrorism" because the shooter had been born in the U.S. of Afghan immigrant parents.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @anon

    On MTP, one of the panelists sought to distinguish the Orlando gay club mass shootings from San Bernardino and argued it was more like the Charleston, S.C. church shootings

    The obvious difference being that, in that shooting, we were all supposed to think about what motivated him, and not just the fact that he could get a gun.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    @anon

    The one assuring thing about the MSM's bonkers reaction to the mass shooting in Orlando is their quick realization that it could only work to promote Trump's candidacy. Thus, their desperate attempt to find any other reason to explain the attack other than it was perpetrated by a Muslim Afghan who happened to be born in the U.S. (aha, "domestic terrorism") and who pledged allegiance to ISIS. After all, we can't do anything to suggest that Trump was right months ago, after the San Bernardino attack, to call for a temporary ban on Muslims entering the U.S. Over on his dilbert.com blog, Scott Adams has written about his informal poll on Twitter in which he asks respondents three simple characterizations about Trump. The overwhelming response (80%+) is that Trump's proposal is "disturbingly reasonable." Mr. Adams has written extensively, starting last summer, about Trump's "persuasion skills." He gives Trump very high marks in this area.

  66. @S. Anonyia
    @Lagertha

    The whole situation really is surreal. I too, have gotten the feeling I am watching a bizarro world show.

    Possibly latent homosexual wife-beating son (married to an Uzbek (!- how rare is that?) and Palestinian) of CIA-entangled Afghan immigrants shoots up 50 gay Puerto Ricans. Borat father blames nightclub security for the shooting, vehemently denies rumors of son being gay while acknowledging he's guilty of terrorism. Afghan boy wants to be cop and brings Borat dad to argue with administrator of police academy he can't get into (considering this was a year ago, this is probably the point in which he started planning an attack). While shooting up the nightclub he calls 911 to pledge allegiance to a hodgepodge of Sunni and Shia terrorist groups, and makes a point to not be seen as racist towards blacks, saying they have suffered enough. Also turns out the terrorist worked for some DHS affiliated agency that did security detail on the Gulf Coast during the oil spill.

    Then media spins this very interesting story with a lot of different angles into just another "hate crime against LGBTQs influenced by white Christian bigots, guns and Brock Turner rape toxic climate of masculinity"

    Oh, and it's all in Florida and the day afterwards the press is covering a kid that got eaten by an alligator.

    Replies: @anon, @Jefferson

    “Oh, and it’s all in Florida and the day afterwards the press is covering a kid that got eaten by an alligator.”

    Orlando is having the worst week ever.

  67. @Jim Don Bob
    @whorefinder

    I like Steve's Magic Dirt formulation, and I will suggest one of my own - "Atmosphere of Hate".

    Just as moving 85 IQ Mexican peasants to Westchester NY (Magic Dirt) will cause them to flourish, assimilate, and produce brain surgeons and Nobel Prize winners in just a few generations, so too will an Atmosphere of Hate cause peaceful Muslims to shoot up a Christmas party or a gay bar full of Hispanics.

    Dose Wascally Wepublicans! Is there no end to their Evil?

    Replies: @whorefinder

    If you don’t believe Leftism is a cultish religion, here’s a short proof for you: look at how many “problems” (as defined by leftists) have either zero or flimsy proof to support them, and, when you point this out, the leftists claim that the fact that there is no proof is only proof that the problem exists.

    Racism
    Sexism
    Homophobia
    Transphobia
    Islamophobia
    White Privilege
    Climate Change
    etc.

    Their entire religion is based on the notion that the opposing side is engaged in a high-level coverup of all the evidence of their actions while at the same time ruthlessly persecuting people right when the watchdogs backs are turned. And, at the same time, creating an ethereal “Atmosphere of Hate” that causes evidence undermining the Leftist position to magically appear.

    It truly is a religion of paranoia.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @whorefinder

    "Racism
    Sexism
    Homophobia
    Transphobia
    Islamophobia
    White Privilege
    Climate Change"

    Are Black rappers capable of sexism?
    https://youtu.be/A5TsjmaycsQ

    , @S. anonyia
    @whorefinder

    More proof is the fact that they engage in religious, cultish "icon-smashing" behavior. They have exhumed remains to cleanse the Memphis soil of evil spirits, scrubbed away the image of the confederate flag from all public spaces, and moved monuments of historical figures they don't like.

    Is it really that different than 16th century English Protestants going on rampages smashing Catholic relics? Or some Islamists today blowing up old Buddha statues?

    Maybe leftism is becoming just another "Great Awakening"

  68. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Hate crimes don’t happen in a vacuum. They occur where bigotry is allowed to fester, where minorities are vilified and where people are scapegoated for political gain.”

    Is this in the real world or in Fictitious Movie World? The two don’t seem that related. Fiction is just fiction. Often it seems to be propaganda. My guess is most real hate crimes throughout the world are because two groups have been fighting each other for a long time. There’s no need for bigotry, vilification, scapegoating, or spin for political gain. Real events that are worth hating about have happened. A minor massacre here, a minor massacre there. People hate each other because of the true facts on the ground. It’s not made up or erroneous hate, it’s real hate.

    Why wouldn’t hate be as real and valid as love?

    • Replies: @guest
    @anonymous

    You remind me of a David Stove essay on race, the upshot of which was even if racial grievance had its roots in completely arbitrary and unfair circumstances that wouldn't mean that the resulting rivalry down the line can't be rational or legitimate. Say, for argument's sake, white people hate black people because they mistakenly think them to be to a man possessed by Satan. They do bad stuff to black people, now black people have good reason to resent whites. So blacks are mean to whites in response, and suddenly whites have a legitimate reason to hate blacks.

    That's how it works: whether or not it starts for good reason there are reasons aplenty once the retaliation/counter-retaliation cycle gets going. More reasons than anyone'd require. Everybody knows this, too. They just won't apply it consistently. Political correctness has it that blacks have good reason to resent whites, for instance, even though it denies such a thing as race exists.

    , @Jefferson
    @anonymous

    "“Hate crimes don’t happen in a vacuum. They occur where bigotry is allowed to fester, where minorities are vilified and where people are scapegoated for political gain.”

    Minorities are vilified? The terrorist Omar Mateen being an Afghan was also a Minority just like the Puerto Ricans that he murdered. No Left Winger better try to spin this shit into a White on Nonwhite hate crime. Us people of European descent do not racially claim Afghans as one of our own. Nor are any Afghans losing any sleep at night over not being racially accepted as Whites by Europeans.

    Replies: @Lurker

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @anonymous

    A hate crime is a thought crime. If I hit a black guy with a 2x4 and break his arm, that's assault. If I do the same thing while yelling N****r!, that is a hate crime even though the injury is the same. The intent of a hate crime is to punish thought and protect magical minorities, which these days means everybody but straight white guys) from the depredations of KKK'ers like Haven Monaghan.

    Replies: @Jim Christian

  69. @whorefinder
    @Jim Don Bob

    If you don't believe Leftism is a cultish religion, here's a short proof for you: look at how many "problems" (as defined by leftists) have either zero or flimsy proof to support them, and, when you point this out, the leftists claim that the fact that there is no proof is only proof that the problem exists.

    Racism
    Sexism
    Homophobia
    Transphobia
    Islamophobia
    White Privilege
    Climate Change
    etc.

    Their entire religion is based on the notion that the opposing side is engaged in a high-level coverup of all the evidence of their actions while at the same time ruthlessly persecuting people right when the watchdogs backs are turned. And, at the same time, creating an ethereal "Atmosphere of Hate" that causes evidence undermining the Leftist position to magically appear.

    It truly is a religion of paranoia.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @S. anonyia

    “Racism
    Sexism
    Homophobia
    Transphobia
    Islamophobia
    White Privilege
    Climate Change”

    Are Black rappers capable of sexism?

  70. @whorefinder
    @Jim Don Bob

    If you don't believe Leftism is a cultish religion, here's a short proof for you: look at how many "problems" (as defined by leftists) have either zero or flimsy proof to support them, and, when you point this out, the leftists claim that the fact that there is no proof is only proof that the problem exists.

    Racism
    Sexism
    Homophobia
    Transphobia
    Islamophobia
    White Privilege
    Climate Change
    etc.

    Their entire religion is based on the notion that the opposing side is engaged in a high-level coverup of all the evidence of their actions while at the same time ruthlessly persecuting people right when the watchdogs backs are turned. And, at the same time, creating an ethereal "Atmosphere of Hate" that causes evidence undermining the Leftist position to magically appear.

    It truly is a religion of paranoia.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @S. anonyia

    More proof is the fact that they engage in religious, cultish “icon-smashing” behavior. They have exhumed remains to cleanse the Memphis soil of evil spirits, scrubbed away the image of the confederate flag from all public spaces, and moved monuments of historical figures they don’t like.

    Is it really that different than 16th century English Protestants going on rampages smashing Catholic relics? Or some Islamists today blowing up old Buddha statues?

    Maybe leftism is becoming just another “Great Awakening”

  71. Twinkie is always putting up statistics on how well or not well Mexicans, Chinese, Cubans, Viets, etc are assimilating into The U.S. I wonder if he has any statistics on Muslims in this country. I bet the numbers look grim for them as in a pattern of lack of assimilation among Muslims in The U.S.

    There was a documentary on Hamtramck, Michigan where it was revealed that the Muslim population there do not socialize much with the White Catholic population (mostly Polacks). The town is Balkanized.

  72. @Perplexed
    Nobody mentions that his preferred target was a Disney property. Pulse was the fallback target.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    Nobody mentions that his preferred target was a Disney property. Pulse was the fallback target.

    Excellent point. I’ve also noted how much this has been downplayed. A terrorist attack at Disney would have very far-reaching emotional/psychological effects on many, many Americans. Of course a Disney park would be a lot tougher to infiltrate with weapons than a nightclub.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    I wonder if Disney has their own private SWAT team? it wouldn't surprise me if they did.

    Replies: @guest

  73. @anonymous
    "Hate crimes don’t happen in a vacuum. They occur where bigotry is allowed to fester, where minorities are vilified and where people are scapegoated for political gain."

    Is this in the real world or in Fictitious Movie World? The two don't seem that related. Fiction is just fiction. Often it seems to be propaganda. My guess is most real hate crimes throughout the world are because two groups have been fighting each other for a long time. There's no need for bigotry, vilification, scapegoating, or spin for political gain. Real events that are worth hating about have happened. A minor massacre here, a minor massacre there. People hate each other because of the true facts on the ground. It's not made up or erroneous hate, it's real hate.

    Why wouldn't hate be as real and valid as love?

    Replies: @guest, @Jefferson, @Jim Don Bob

    You remind me of a David Stove essay on race, the upshot of which was even if racial grievance had its roots in completely arbitrary and unfair circumstances that wouldn’t mean that the resulting rivalry down the line can’t be rational or legitimate. Say, for argument’s sake, white people hate black people because they mistakenly think them to be to a man possessed by Satan. They do bad stuff to black people, now black people have good reason to resent whites. So blacks are mean to whites in response, and suddenly whites have a legitimate reason to hate blacks.

    That’s how it works: whether or not it starts for good reason there are reasons aplenty once the retaliation/counter-retaliation cycle gets going. More reasons than anyone’d require. Everybody knows this, too. They just won’t apply it consistently. Political correctness has it that blacks have good reason to resent whites, for instance, even though it denies such a thing as race exists.

  74. @whorefinder
    I'm reminded of just three years ago (2013) when, on the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination, either the NY Times or Wapo ran an article blaming right-wingers for "creating the atmosphere" in Dallas that led to Oswald shooting Kennedy.* Or something.

    The article wasn't terribly clear on how right-wingers made a communist like Oswald shoot Kennedy because Kennedy was right-wing on communism (Kennedy was a strong anti-commie, and wasn't shy about using force against them. He was the one who got hostile with Cuba and the Soviets over Castro and the Cuban missile crisis. His strong anti-communism neutered one of Nixons big strengths, which was being a fierce anti-commie himself).

    But hey, it was all those evil redneck right-wing Texans fault! If Kennedy hadn't been shot by them, we'd all be living in a Swedish multicultural socialist paradise and worshiping at a statute of Logic and Papa Joe!

    *The article took it as a given that Oswald shot Kennedy.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @guest

    The atmosphere of hate was the reaction at the time, as well, not just 50 years later. Imagine yourself a 1963 liberal. Walter Cronkite, for instance. You hear Kennedy was shot in Dallas. Whom do you suspect? When you hear it was a pro-Castro pinko how does that make you feel? More importantly, how is that useful? Jackie herself, if I recall correctly, said something like “Why couldn’t he have died for Civil Rights?” So they pretended he did and passed the poisonous 65 bill.

    It never sat right with them, which is one reason the conspiracy theories are as popular as they are. For those who didn’t go the conspiracy route, they fell back on what the Devil said in the Rolling Stones song, “after all, it was you and me.” We’re all guilty, because it couldn’t have been a Social Justice Assassin.

  75. @European-American
    @European-American

    Five months later, four suspects of committing the homophobic beatings were arrested by the police. And indeed they turned out to be "youths" from the suburbs. Two were sentenced a year later. Their names were Taieb and Malik. It's fair to surmise they were not Catholics worried about preserving the traditional family unit. (As should have been obvious just from the neighborhood where the crime happened). But so much later after the fact, no one was paying attention anymore.

    And so the regretful violence had at least the redeeming value of making people more aware of the danger of homophobia and of resisting social progress...

    I just saw Anderson Cooper berating a Florida official in charge of helping the Orlando victims and their families for not supporting gay marriage. It's the same mechanism. If you ever had any doubts about any aspect of gay liberation, don't you feel guilty now? If not, you're a fascist and a murderer.

    (French article on the 2014 trial)
    http://www.lepoint.fr/societe/agression-homophobe-a-paris-de-18-a-24-mois-de-prison-ferme-requis-06-05-2014-1819654_23.php

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Dov, @Jefferson, @ben tillman, @anpn

    I just saw Anderson Cooper berating a Florida official in charge of helping the Orlando victims and their families for not supporting gay marriage.

    Maybe someone should berate him for being a “racist” retard who can’t pronounce Spanish names. I don’t know how many more times I can hear 6 or 7 of the 9 letters in “Rodriguez” mispronounced before I snap. Message to Anderson Cooper, Linda Cohn, et al.: There is no “z” sound in Spanish!

  76. anon • Disclaimer says:

    To be perfectly honest, after having gotten blacks to burn down Ferguson and getting a bunch of Hispanics to attack people at a Donald Trump rally, getting a Muslim to kill a whole bunch of people was a piece of cake.

    Frankly, it’s kind of a thrill, knowing that you are the sole animating force in all of human society.

  77. @European-American
    @European-American

    Five months later, four suspects of committing the homophobic beatings were arrested by the police. And indeed they turned out to be "youths" from the suburbs. Two were sentenced a year later. Their names were Taieb and Malik. It's fair to surmise they were not Catholics worried about preserving the traditional family unit. (As should have been obvious just from the neighborhood where the crime happened). But so much later after the fact, no one was paying attention anymore.

    And so the regretful violence had at least the redeeming value of making people more aware of the danger of homophobia and of resisting social progress...

    I just saw Anderson Cooper berating a Florida official in charge of helping the Orlando victims and their families for not supporting gay marriage. It's the same mechanism. If you ever had any doubts about any aspect of gay liberation, don't you feel guilty now? If not, you're a fascist and a murderer.

    (French article on the 2014 trial)
    http://www.lepoint.fr/societe/agression-homophobe-a-paris-de-18-a-24-mois-de-prison-ferme-requis-06-05-2014-1819654_23.php

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Dov, @Jefferson, @ben tillman, @anpn

    I just saw Anderson Cooper berating a Florida official in charge of helping the Orlando victims and their families for not supporting gay marriage. It’s the same mechanism.

    For as scary as they claim white Republicans are, they sure seem to be AWFULLY willing to poke the tiger, don’t they?

  78. @Bettega
    @Beliavsky

    What we can learn from the last couple days is that conventional wisdom considers opposition to the political objectives of an activist group equals to a desire to see members of this group murdered. That's how we make sense out of this "Republicans killed these people because they opposed their demands". This also means that when leftists propose legislation against the rights of gun-owners, Christians and white males, what they really want to is to kill them all.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    What we can learn from the last couple days is that conventional wisdom considers opposition to the political objectives of an activist group equals to a desire to see members of this group murdered.

    Projection, anyone?

  79. All this talk of “hate” is fundmentally tyrannical in nature. I have a right to hate. I have every right to hate anybody I goddamned well choose.

  80. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Perplexed


    Nobody mentions that his preferred target was a Disney property. Pulse was the fallback target.

     

    Excellent point. I've also noted how much this has been downplayed. A terrorist attack at Disney would have very far-reaching emotional/psychological effects on many, many Americans. Of course a Disney park would be a lot tougher to infiltrate with weapons than a nightclub.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    I wonder if Disney has their own private SWAT team? it wouldn’t surprise me if they did.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Mr. Anon

    I imagine Pinkertons with mouse ears on their hats. Whenever they nab ne'er-do-wells they shout in joy, "Oh, Boy!"

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  81. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Tragically, this is the state of American politics, driven too often by Republican politicians who see prejudice as something to exploit, not extinguish.

    You know, the extra-great irony of all this is, gay marriage was totally illegal everywhere in the US twenty years ago, and this kind of thing never happened.

    One year after it was legalized, it did.

    So if they were actually serious about the idea that one political party is to blame, shouldn’t they be questioning whether their decision to push gay marriage led to this? It seems like a much better explanation, in all seriousness.

    • Replies: @guest
    @anon

    But this happened because of the white, male, conservative, hetero backlash, you see. Had we sat still and accepted it, as we mostly did, everything would've been fine. We started the causal chain leading to the shooting, because the killer lacked agency. The causal chain does not reach back to the homo instigators. They were perfectly in the right. The right was wrong, which is why anything that happens afterwards is their fault.

    He was driven mad by the climate or culture or whatever of hate, and therefore lost his agency. Agency was in the hands of us, who did not accept decorously the New Normal(ity) (or normalcy; I'm not sure which.) They own the status quo, which was established along with a fresh human nature the moment SCOTUS handed down its holy writ. Any action or thought not in line with the arrow of history from that point on is an aggressor. You disturb the peace when you don't think like they want you to think.

  82. @anonymous
    "Hate crimes don’t happen in a vacuum. They occur where bigotry is allowed to fester, where minorities are vilified and where people are scapegoated for political gain."

    Is this in the real world or in Fictitious Movie World? The two don't seem that related. Fiction is just fiction. Often it seems to be propaganda. My guess is most real hate crimes throughout the world are because two groups have been fighting each other for a long time. There's no need for bigotry, vilification, scapegoating, or spin for political gain. Real events that are worth hating about have happened. A minor massacre here, a minor massacre there. People hate each other because of the true facts on the ground. It's not made up or erroneous hate, it's real hate.

    Why wouldn't hate be as real and valid as love?

    Replies: @guest, @Jefferson, @Jim Don Bob

    ““Hate crimes don’t happen in a vacuum. They occur where bigotry is allowed to fester, where minorities are vilified and where people are scapegoated for political gain.”

    Minorities are vilified? The terrorist Omar Mateen being an Afghan was also a Minority just like the Puerto Ricans that he murdered. No Left Winger better try to spin this shit into a White on Nonwhite hate crime. Us people of European descent do not racially claim Afghans as one of our own. Nor are any Afghans losing any sleep at night over not being racially accepted as Whites by Europeans.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Jefferson


    No Left Winger better try to spin this shit into a White on Nonwhite hate crime.
     
    I'm betting the DoJ will , when it comes time to publish the 2016 crime numbers.
  83. @Jefferson
    @anonymous

    "“Hate crimes don’t happen in a vacuum. They occur where bigotry is allowed to fester, where minorities are vilified and where people are scapegoated for political gain.”

    Minorities are vilified? The terrorist Omar Mateen being an Afghan was also a Minority just like the Puerto Ricans that he murdered. No Left Winger better try to spin this shit into a White on Nonwhite hate crime. Us people of European descent do not racially claim Afghans as one of our own. Nor are any Afghans losing any sleep at night over not being racially accepted as Whites by Europeans.

    Replies: @Lurker

    No Left Winger better try to spin this shit into a White on Nonwhite hate crime.

    I’m betting the DoJ will , when it comes time to publish the 2016 crime numbers.

  84. @Mr. Anon
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    I wonder if Disney has their own private SWAT team? it wouldn't surprise me if they did.

    Replies: @guest

    I imagine Pinkertons with mouse ears on their hats. Whenever they nab ne’er-do-wells they shout in joy, “Oh, Boy!”

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @guest

    And after they zip-tie your wrists together and read you your rights, they say to you: "Have a Magical Day!".

  85. @anon

    Tragically, this is the state of American politics, driven too often by Republican politicians who see prejudice as something to exploit, not extinguish.
     
    You know, the extra-great irony of all this is, gay marriage was totally illegal everywhere in the US twenty years ago, and this kind of thing never happened.

    One year after it was legalized, it did.

    So if they were actually serious about the idea that one political party is to blame, shouldn't they be questioning whether their decision to push gay marriage led to this? It seems like a much better explanation, in all seriousness.

    Replies: @guest

    But this happened because of the white, male, conservative, hetero backlash, you see. Had we sat still and accepted it, as we mostly did, everything would’ve been fine. We started the causal chain leading to the shooting, because the killer lacked agency. The causal chain does not reach back to the homo instigators. They were perfectly in the right. The right was wrong, which is why anything that happens afterwards is their fault.

    He was driven mad by the climate or culture or whatever of hate, and therefore lost his agency. Agency was in the hands of us, who did not accept decorously the New Normal(ity) (or normalcy; I’m not sure which.) They own the status quo, which was established along with a fresh human nature the moment SCOTUS handed down its holy writ. Any action or thought not in line with the arrow of history from that point on is an aggressor. You disturb the peace when you don’t think like they want you to think.

  86. As it wasn’t enough, the BLM (Black lives matter….errr, as a Breitbart reader said Black lies matter) hijacked about complaining on thewhite attendees at the Orlando shooting vigil.

    And I guess the NY Times close their eyes and put their hands on their ears when they learned then there some LGBT groups who are pro-gun.

  87. @anonymous
    "Hate crimes don’t happen in a vacuum. They occur where bigotry is allowed to fester, where minorities are vilified and where people are scapegoated for political gain."

    Is this in the real world or in Fictitious Movie World? The two don't seem that related. Fiction is just fiction. Often it seems to be propaganda. My guess is most real hate crimes throughout the world are because two groups have been fighting each other for a long time. There's no need for bigotry, vilification, scapegoating, or spin for political gain. Real events that are worth hating about have happened. A minor massacre here, a minor massacre there. People hate each other because of the true facts on the ground. It's not made up or erroneous hate, it's real hate.

    Why wouldn't hate be as real and valid as love?

    Replies: @guest, @Jefferson, @Jim Don Bob

    A hate crime is a thought crime. If I hit a black guy with a 2×4 and break his arm, that’s assault. If I do the same thing while yelling N****r!, that is a hate crime even though the injury is the same. The intent of a hate crime is to punish thought and protect magical minorities, which these days means everybody but straight white guys) from the depredations of KKK’ers like Haven Monaghan.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    @Jim Don Bob

    EXCEPT that if the Black guy hits YOU, Whitey, with the 2x4 while yelling "White-CrackerMu-Fugg", that's not a hate crime. That's sweet nothings.

  88. As a White, Hetero Male Vetrann, I used to argue against the Islamic interest specifically by attempting to appeal to liberal self-preservation in pointing out that Islam will be most unkind to gay and feminist rights and violently so. Turns out, race-of-predator trumps self-preservation. I was branded misogynist and racist and a few “ists” I can’t remember, so, they being unconcerned for their own interest, I adopted their position and quit arguing.

    After the slaughter last week, they still don’t “get” it. Islam is still the religion of peace to these morons, unlike the President, who knows exactly what he’s doing and whose interest HE aligns himself with, the religion of peace.

    And so, tough shit for Liberals and Feminists and the Queer folk encompassed within my new favorite abbreviation, invented by me, FASSD, pronounced “Fassed” (the Feminist Alphabet Soup Of Sexual Depravity).

    If Democrat FASSD don’t wish to live, then hell with em. Life will be easier for me under Islam than it will for them. Fuggem. The FASSD industry aking this about White Male Republicans was the absolute final straw. I’d never lift a finger or another word in their defense, ever.

    Chivalry is dead.

  89. @anon
    @tbraton

    On MTP, one of the panelists sought to distinguish the Orlando gay club mass shootings from San Bernardino and argued it was more like the Charleston, S.C. church shootings

    The obvious difference being that, in that shooting, we were all supposed to think about what motivated him, and not just the fact that he could get a gun.

    Replies: @tbraton

    The one assuring thing about the MSM’s bonkers reaction to the mass shooting in Orlando is their quick realization that it could only work to promote Trump’s candidacy. Thus, their desperate attempt to find any other reason to explain the attack other than it was perpetrated by a Muslim Afghan who happened to be born in the U.S. (aha, “domestic terrorism”) and who pledged allegiance to ISIS. After all, we can’t do anything to suggest that Trump was right months ago, after the San Bernardino attack, to call for a temporary ban on Muslims entering the U.S. Over on his dilbert.com blog, Scott Adams has written about his informal poll on Twitter in which he asks respondents three simple characterizations about Trump. The overwhelming response (80%+) is that Trump’s proposal is “disturbingly reasonable.” Mr. Adams has written extensively, starting last summer, about Trump’s “persuasion skills.” He gives Trump very high marks in this area.

  90. @guest
    @Mr. Anon

    I imagine Pinkertons with mouse ears on their hats. Whenever they nab ne'er-do-wells they shout in joy, "Oh, Boy!"

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    And after they zip-tie your wrists together and read you your rights, they say to you: “Have a Magical Day!”.

  91. I knew Hetro Conservatives would get blamed for a gay homophobe immigrant democrat killing 50 gays. The permanent victims can never get blame.

  92. @res
    Current top Reader Pick (and a NYT Pick) comment begins:

    The Republican Party has blood on it's hands. They would like everyone to believe this is was the act of a radical Muslim terrorist, but guess what? The shooter was born in the USA. He grew up here, not in a Muslim country. He is a natural born US citizen, not an immigrant.
     
    Unbelievable. Do they really not understand that it is possible for a radical Muslim terrorist to be born in the West?! And that more immigration just means we get more of these? Especially given the example of Europe right in front of us.

    I understand how immigration shills could write an editorial like this, but how on earth do they get so many people to drink the koolaid?

    Replies: @Lurker, @Eric Novak

    Sincere thinking like this among a large percentage of the population is why secession may be necessary and inevitable.

  93. @vinteuil
    In a way, one could almost feel sorry for him. He did his (sadly limited) best to express his motivation (i.e., resentment over American bombing of his native country, Afghanistan) - but everybody insists that it must really be something else, instead.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Forbes, @Olorin

    It’s not about “motivation” in the sense of “feelings,” Vin (“resentment”).

    It’s a genomic thing about how people act on the feelings they (or any of us) have.

    That’s how come the fiftysomething-generations-of-Islam thing is important in deciding who can adapt well to our Magic Dirt, and the data on how their kids turn out. But reason and caution aren’t running our immigration policy. Mass market mercantile globalist greed is.

    Since the Age of Reagan the US gained about 100 million in population, and the entire net increase was due to immigration. Our native-born population stayed steady in that time.

    I’m one of many who feels it’s time to close borders for a couple generations and do a bit of assessment of how the experiment went. Including how different groups’ first, second, and third generations adapt to their new surroundings.

  94. @Jim Don Bob
    @anonymous

    A hate crime is a thought crime. If I hit a black guy with a 2x4 and break his arm, that's assault. If I do the same thing while yelling N****r!, that is a hate crime even though the injury is the same. The intent of a hate crime is to punish thought and protect magical minorities, which these days means everybody but straight white guys) from the depredations of KKK'ers like Haven Monaghan.

    Replies: @Jim Christian

    EXCEPT that if the Black guy hits YOU, Whitey, with the 2×4 while yelling “White-CrackerMu-Fugg”, that’s not a hate crime. That’s sweet nothings.

  95. Right. Jesse Jackson said years ago that blacks cannot be racist because they have no power. So it’s just white straight guys like me and you that with our deep down HATE, HATE, HATE responsible for Jackie, San Berdoo, etc., and now Orlando.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Jim Don Bob

    "Right. Jesse Jackson said years ago that blacks cannot be racist because they have no power."

    So Jesse Jackson is saying Barack Hussein Obama is a powerless empty suit. America's first Black president has less power than a White hobo.

  96. @anonymous
    Your's are all good, well thought out comments in which you meet the opposition on his terms by explaining and justifying why heteros aren't to blame for what happened because we aren't hateful etc.

    I would like to take mine in the opposite direction. For the most part, I don't like gay men. Why? Because the thought or image of a whanger covered with sperm and another man's feces revolts me. I simply can't imagine anal sex with another man and it is hard for me to put that out of my mind when I'm in the presence of a gay man. Often gay men wear too much deodorant. The smell of perfume has nauseated me since I was a baby. I have always needed to work outdoors, not being able to tolerate closed-in spaces with their smells and artificial light.

    My revulsion is deep rooted. It is instinctual. Note that I am not denying other men the right to engage in anal sex. I am indifferent to what they do with their privates. But the act revolts me and as the most recent brain research has revealed, our sense of morality is tied in with activation of parts of the brain responsible for the feeling of revulsion. Their flowery scent activates deep centers of revulsion in my brain as well. So, this is real and physical, not merely culturally conditioned.

    I have a bright, eidetic imagination. I can't watch an animal suffer or scenes depicting people hurt in car accidents etc. It is hard for me to repress images of gay men engaging in nasty practices when I'm in the presence of a flaming gay. So, for the most part I avoid them. I am a homophobe, but this doesn't inspire me to acts of violence against gays. I prefer to avoid them--that's what "phobe" means.

    People who feel as I do are unjustly lumped together with those who actively oppose or hate homosexuals. This is unfair.

    Some of us just aren't born gay. I love women, their curves, scent, etc. And that's that.

    Steve, I know you'll be reluctant to publish this because it is controversial, but you should let it through. The part about the "revulsion" center in the brain and our sense of morality is scientifically true and may explain why these social issues are so difficult to resolve with simple formulas and laws.

    Replies: @Mark F., @Mark F., @John Derbyshire

    • Replies: @tbraton
    @John Derbyshire

    From your linked article, written by you in 2001:
    " Editorial meetings at the New York Times are, we have been told, sometimes numerically dominated by them."

    I find that astounding. Nothing shows how out of touch the NY Times is with America than that statement. It is estimated that a small percentage of Americans are gay and lesbian, anywhere from 2 to 5%. If what you say is correct, that means anywhere from 10X to 25X the "normal" percentage of gays and lesbians sit on the editorial board of the NY Times. No wonder the Times is so out of touch.

    Replies: @myname1sl1nk

  97. @Jim Don Bob
    Right. Jesse Jackson said years ago that blacks cannot be racist because they have no power. So it's just white straight guys like me and you that with our deep down HATE, HATE, HATE responsible for Jackie, San Berdoo, etc., and now Orlando.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Right. Jesse Jackson said years ago that blacks cannot be racist because they have no power.”

    So Jesse Jackson is saying Barack Hussein Obama is a powerless empty suit. America’s first Black president has less power than a White hobo.

  98. @Wilkey
    Omar Mateen lived in Fort Pierce, Florida, which is 40.9% black and 21.6% Hispanic. The city has a female mayor and two of its four city council members are named Rufus and Reginald (no need to click on their pictures to figure out what race they belong to). It's so "diverse" that it's pretty good odds that city council will be 100% non-white within 20 years.

    Somehow a brown, Muslim Democrat from a diverse city slaughtering other Democrats is the fault of Republicans. It always is.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Omar Mateen lived in Fort Pierce, Florida, which is 40.9% black and 21.6% Hispanic”

    With those racial demographics, the cost of living in Fort Pierce must be dirt cheap. It is obviously cheap enough not to price out a lot of Blacks from the city.

  99. @John Derbyshire
    @anonymous

    Yep, it's the buggery.

    Replies: @tbraton

    From your linked article, written by you in 2001:
    ” Editorial meetings at the New York Times are, we have been told, sometimes numerically dominated by them.”

    I find that astounding. Nothing shows how out of touch the NY Times is with America than that statement. It is estimated that a small percentage of Americans are gay and lesbian, anywhere from 2 to 5%. If what you say is correct, that means anywhere from 10X to 25X the “normal” percentage of gays and lesbians sit on the editorial board of the NY Times. No wonder the Times is so out of touch.

    • Replies: @myname1sl1nk
    @tbraton

    Out-of-touch, but the converse of out-of-power.

    If far from current reality people take power, they'll work to make reality compliant to their reality.

  100. @TheJester
    Try this:

    According to surveys, 4.6 percent of the overall U.S. population has self-reported a suicide attempt, with that number climbing to between 10 and 20 percent for lesbian, gay or bisexual respondents. By comparison, 41 percent of trans or gender non-conforming people surveyed have attempted suicide.
     
    http://www.vocativ.com/culture/lgbt/transgender-suicide/

    As an educated, cisgendered White male, I'm sure this is all my fault since I agree with Freud that LGBTQXYZ lifestyles are the result of unresolved adolescent identity issues; that is, a failure to grow up and become mature adults. All of this should be expected in a feminized culture full of "Snowflakes", Beta Males, and 2nd-wave Feminists with penis envy. I guess it's a burden I'm just going to have to bear.

    It is a strange world indeed when married people with families are seen to be the deviants in need of psychological intervention.

    Replies: @myname1sl1nk

    Well… basically the dominion holding groups prescribe “psychological intervention” to their rivals in the struggle for power.

    Are you aware of any time and place where that was not so?

  101. @tbraton
    @John Derbyshire

    From your linked article, written by you in 2001:
    " Editorial meetings at the New York Times are, we have been told, sometimes numerically dominated by them."

    I find that astounding. Nothing shows how out of touch the NY Times is with America than that statement. It is estimated that a small percentage of Americans are gay and lesbian, anywhere from 2 to 5%. If what you say is correct, that means anywhere from 10X to 25X the "normal" percentage of gays and lesbians sit on the editorial board of the NY Times. No wonder the Times is so out of touch.

    Replies: @myname1sl1nk

    Out-of-touch, but the converse of out-of-power.

    If far from current reality people take power, they’ll work to make reality compliant to their reality.

  102. @elmer t. jones
    The use of the word "corrosive" in the title indicates the essay was computer-generated.

    Robots are taking everyone's jobs.

    Replies: @myname1sl1nk

    I think failure at recognizing robots as robots, and mistaking them for humans, may lead to consequences.

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