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From the NYT sports section:

Why India Struggles to Win Olympic Gold

The government has overhauled an athletic system that was once underfunded and corrupt, but the pressure to perform weighs on competitors.

By Hannah Beech and Shalini Venugopal Bhagat
Published Aug. 4, 2021

… But every four years — in this case five — the same questions are posed in India. Why is the country so bad at the Olympics? And does it even matter?

Prime Minister Narendra Modi, keen to raise India’s global profile, has decided that it does.

After India’s substandard performance at the 2016 Games in Rio de Janeiro — one silver and one bronze — the government began funneling money to a sports bureaucracy that was underfunded for decades and stained by corruption. Private ventures stepped in, training elite athletes whose upward trajectory they might be able to harness. And state money has started to trickle to grass-roots sports, too. …

Abhinav Bindra, India’s only Olympic gold medalist in an individual competition, said that the sports environment today is different from when he won the 10-meter air rifle competition in Beijing. When he competed in the shooting nationals as a youth, there were 200 entrants, he said. These days, the competition draws 20,000, plus another 20,000 who didn’t make the cut. Eight members of the Indian shooting team in Tokyo, he noted, have been world No. 1s or 2s in their categories. …

There was national jubilation on Thursday when India defeated Germany to win bronze in men’s field hockey, the team’s first medal in more than 40 years.

I saw Pakistan beat West Germany in field hockey for the gold medal at the 1984 Olympics. I played a little field hockey at the park as a teen, and it was fun, but I thought the gold medal game I went to was not a good spectator sport because the ref was constantly stopping play for offsides violations. Hopefully, they’ve figured out better rules to let the teams play on more since then.

… But for most of the Games, Tokyo has been a field of disappointment for India.

… Not everyone in India is convinced that the country needs to measure its national self-worth in Olympic medals. India, they say, is already a sporting powerhouse, just not in pursuits that are in the Olympics.

Cricket, by far the most popular pastime in India, boasts a lucrative domestic league, and the country soars in the sport’s top international echelons. Sports promoters have also unveiled a professional league for kabaddi, an ancient South Asian form of group tag in which players must occasionally chant the word “kabaddi” over and over. (The vocalization is aimed at ensuring that players are exhaling while on the offensive.)

There are a million local games around the world like this and hopefully they won’t all get swept away by the soccer-basketball juggernaut that’s making the world blander.

… Bindra, the Beijing 2008 gold medalist, said that his success was rooted not in state support but in family wealth. His father built a world-class shooting range in their home in the northern city of Chandigarh.

I personally like when rich people spend their money on obscure sports. Back in 1972 about a third of every edition of Sports Illustrated and Wide World of Sports consisted of eccentric rich sportsmen’s weird hobbies.

Then he topped it up with a swimming pool and a gym so that his son could build his muscle. At the time, the only comparable shooting range was in New Delhi.

… In recent years, the country’s most powerful crop of Olympians has come from a narrow neck of land in northeastern India, where ethnic minorities live in the shadow of the Himalayas. These states, Manipur and Assam, are home to insurgent movements fighting for autonomy from the Indian state. Because of their ethnicity, people there often face discrimination.

… There are also racist whispers, some not so quiet, that people from the Himalayan foothills are more martial than others in India and that’s why they make good boxers.

And then the article has a long section about a 38-year-old lady boxer with four kids who won a bronze medal nine years ago:

“Manipuri people, we have a fighting spirit, especially women,” said Kom, who grew up rationing meals to save money for a pair of sneakers.

I believe it was the late Carlton Coon Jr., the US ambassador to Nepal who was the son of the famous anthropologist, who explained to me that the main racial divide in the region, between South Asians and East Asians, runs in the east through the difficult hills of Burma and northeastern India, and in the North it runs about one mile high in the foothills of the Himalayas. East Asians like the famous high-altitude-adapted Sherpas and fierce Gurkhas don’t like to live in the hot lowlands due to tropical diseases and South Asians tend to get winded at higher altitudes.

Indians tend not to be terribly athletic. But there are a lot of different sports, so good luck to them in their quest to find some where they can earn fun national pride by winning medals.

 
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  1. My wife gets offended when I talk about steroids and genes/breeding and athletics.

    Yesterday she said she read an article about the top US woman high jumper. The father of the high jumper? Randall Cunningham. Her mother? A NYC ballerina.

    She also mentioned that Cunningham is her coach. And her training is mostly for explosiveness and only just mps on the pit every few weeks.

    I once met a woman who used to be a Big Ten high jumper. She was tall and also an actual fashion model. No regret not asking her if she could dunk.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Hodag


    My wife gets offended when I talk about steroids and genes/breeding and athletics.
     
    I dated a girl who had some crushes on various superhero actors, especially due to their buffness. She would get royally upset---actually angry--when I pointed out that they all got their bodies through heavy steroid use. For some reason, she had this fantasy that somehow some actor who only spent 3 months working out could look like Thor or Superman without juice.

    The father of the high jumper? Randall Cunningham.
     
    I remember watching Cunningham (an NFL QB) once run the ball on a broken play. When the defender met him at the line of scrimmage and went for a tackle Cunningham jumped so high to vault him that his feet landed on the guy's helmet as the defender was going for the tackle. So it doesn't surprise me his offspring would be that good at jumping.

    Cunningham was one of those Great Black Hope quarterbacks whom are long on hype and athleticism but short on most quarterbacking skills. Still, when he got to use his athleticism to run the ball, it was fun. And he did stick around for a while, being a better than average journeyman.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @duncsbaby

    , @Hangnail Hans
    @Hodag

    My wife gets offended when I talk about steroids and genes/breeding and athletics.
     

    Wives get offended if you talk about anything that contradicts their TV programming.

    Correction: Delete all after "talk"

    Replies: @Desiderius, @John Johnson

  2. Anon[255] • Disclaimer says:

    > There are also racist whispers, some not so quiet, that people from the Himalayan foothills are more martial than others in India and that’s why they make good boxers.

    Twenty odd years after Jon Entine’s Taboo was published it’s still racist to suggest there might be group differences in genetics at play?

    Say what you want about Indians’ lack of athleticism; they are at least smart enough to acknowledge the realities of human biodiversity.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Anon

    For some reason, there are racist rumors that Gurkhas were pretty surgical with knifes and able to shoot Lee Enfields with high precision from a moving position.

  3. Since most Olympic sports aren’t professional, it’s a matter of living near the best facilities for the sport. This has some added benefit in that it’s not just people from the capital but people who live near the facilities that tend to become good enough to represent countries. I personally think this development is wrong and robs the sports of their authenticity since it’s not a matter as much of tradition, some countries can just buy success like the UK did with the velodrome facilities it built only for the Olympics in 2012 but which allow it to field a powerful force in Olympic cycling despite it having a much weaker tradition of indoor cycling compared to other countries. There is an international development centre in Germany which has started to break up the European and affluent Asian flags at least in individual velodrome events. But that has nothing to do with those athletes countries of origin.

    So many athletes who represent their country live elsewhere to be near the best trainers and facilities,. This also helps to keep them younger since it’s easier to go to a university in another country without it causing too much disruption to life. An example of an Indian athlete doing quite well in this is Fouaad Mirza who did quite well at dressage but who, unsurprisingly trains and lives abroad in Germany. (And needless to say, his horse is not Indian bred either)

    https://olympics.com/en/news/tokyo-2020-olympics-indian-equestrian-fouaad-mirza-dressage-results

    So India has a lot of things going against it. In sports where it does have a good tradition, it should simply spend more money, such as wrestling and weight lifting. Otherwise there is a big bias against rich Indians going into sports as opposed to academics and poor Indians are so marginalised they can’t really, not at amateur level. This same pattern exists in Western countries where Indians have lived for many generations, there is a prejudice against sports along with poor diet. (You see a lot of chubby Indian and Pakistani kids not a lot of athletic ones)

    • Agree: PaceLaw
    • Replies: @peterike
    @Altai


    You see a lot of chubby Indian and Pakistani kids
     
    Vegetarian diets are carb-heavy and bad for you. Also, Indians love sweet stuff. It's not just the kids who are chubby.

    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0ORRpBlbcvo/VJaYFUW2vlI/AAAAAAAAKpw/U5Bu-94f41s/s1600/10422242_662794727108433_224835727295412027_n.jpg

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @PaceLaw

    , @Anon
    @Altai

    This is true. Swimmers congregate around a few coaches in the US and Australia; figure skaters in the US, Canada, and Russia; kayakers in Norway; table tennis in China (where they can play on professional teams). China at great expense hired Japan's synchronized swimming infrastructure away for a decade, clueing in coaches that they are worth more than they think when national prestige is factored in.

    , @showmethereal
    @Altai

    Sports is all about the money... When people pretend otherwise - it is a disservice. Facilities - nutrition - travel expenses all matter.. You can have all the talent in the world - but if it doesn't get nurtured - then it won't reach full potential. You also made good points about training. Sometimes it is even something as mundane as weather. Most of the top golfers and tennis players in the world live in Florida. Why? They can train outdoors the whole winter... Nothing more than that as you can obviously find top notch golf and tennis facilities all around the globe. But relating to facilities - Jamaica is a good example of what you mentioned. Until about 15 years ago - most Jamaican sprinters trained in the US - or represented Great Britain or Canada in sprints. But then Puma and Adidas put big money into training facilities in Jamaica itself as part of sponsorship agreements - and then - bam - the athletes mostly started staying home - leading to their dominance since 2008.

    China is another example of money mattering. China can now simply afford the training and facilities. Not more complicated than that. The discipline was always there...

    Replies: @Malla

    , @John Johnson
    @Altai

    Since most Olympic sports aren’t professional, it’s a matter of living near the best facilities for the sport.

    No it is not that simple.

    Putting a weight center in every village would not lead them to win gold in weightlifting.

    Indians in the US tend not to be athletic even though they get the American high protein diet.

    A billion people and they will also lose to Jamaica in anything related to running.

    This is why the Olympics are kind of dumb. They made more sense when they were intra-European. With global Olympics it's mostly group genetics on display.

    I really don't see why people get excited about the Olympics. Maybe they appeal to people that delude themselves about race.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @showmethereal

  4. Observing the countries of Guyana, Trinidad, and Fiji is an interesting on this. Over 40% of each of those countries are descended from Indians, and yet the Indian-origin segments of those countries are completely invisible in their Olympic teams.

    Aside from the ethnically distinct North-Easterners and the warrior people of Punjab and Kashmir, Indians are unfortunately not terribly athletic. I’m Indian-origin and I don’t much mind.

    • Thanks: Triteleia Laxa
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Zorrothustra

    Fiji's population is almost 50% Indian-descended, and their rugby team (which won the Olympics Sevens gold, beating New Zealand) is AFAIK 100% ethnic Fijian.

    Fiji are great to watch at rugby, a real blend of power, athleticism and sheer joy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCTYt76MFxg

    Replies: @PaceLaw

  5. There are very few Indian-American athletes too. Unless you count Spelling Bee Champions

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    @Snej

    Jim Thorpe? Lou Sockalexis? Sonny Sixkiller? Jim Plunkett? Henry Boucha? Gary Sargent, TJ Oshie… oh, sorry, my dyslexia must have kicked in…

    , @Truth
    @Snej

    RUH Roh! This is almost unfair...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWolmK1VIKI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sRINVHk7wM

    , @indocon
    @Snej

    There are 2 indo-americans who have won medals in the Olympics, albeit both had white moms.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohini_Bhardwaj
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexi_Grewal

    Replies: @rec1man

  6. There are very few South Asian Indian-American athletes too. Unless you count Spelling Bee Champions

    • Replies: @Marty T
    @Jhsjs

    Hey, it's on espn right?

    As they were in the news this week, I noticed Hungary's pretty good at water polo (bronze for women, men competed for bronze). It's true that just about any country could probably concentrate on something obscure (not that water polo is) and get a few medals.

  7. Isn’t it plausible to posit that Indians just don’t value athletics or physical fitness in any respect? Just look at the Indians in United States. The only extracurricular activity they participate in are spelling bee tournaments. Also, have you ever noticed very many Indians at your local gym/YMCA? I think it’s just a cultural thing, from the subcontinent to their diaspora around the world. And there’s nothing wrong with that. Different people have the right to have different interests. (I will say that it is very strange though that a people that gave the world yoga and the Kama Sutra chooses not to at least credibly compete in gymnastics.)

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @PaceLaw

    Although gymnastics will make yoga easier, traditionally yoga is not even supposed to be approached as an exercise in physical training.

    Replies: @prosa123

    , @Hannah Katz
    @PaceLaw

    We see quite a few Indians walking in our neighborhood, some of the women in traditional dress and wearing face masks. Not the fastest walkers. I have also noticed that their kids tend to be skinny but their women tend to be overweight, if not obese. Odd.

    Replies: @PaceLaw

    , @Jack D
    @PaceLaw


    I think it’s just a cultural thing, from the subcontinent to their diaspora around the world.
     
    It's partly a cultural thing but it's not JUST a cultural thing. Nature reinforces nurture and vice versa. People enjoy doing things that they are naturally good at. If you are a child of Indian extraction in Trinidad and you keep getting your ass kicked in foot races with the black kids, you are not likely to want to pursue running to higher levels of the sport. If OTOH, you are a black kid and the Indian kids keep kicking your ass in the spelling bee, then you are not likely to pursue that further either. Of course there are exceptions:

    https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2021/07/2021-07-09T021958Z_967450510_RC2KGO932GFF_RTRMADP_3_USA-SPELLINGBEE-1200x813.jpg

    Replies: @epebble

    , @rec1man
    @PaceLaw

    Indian families strongly push their kids away from Sports

    We know that less than 0,1% of athletes, musicians etc will make a living- rest will fail

    vs education is a sure shot at middle class life

    In my high school in India, athletes were mocked as losers and nerds socially popular

    Even in cricket, until 30 years ago, lots of Indian team players were brahmins and they all finished their college degree, ( as a financial backup )

    Replies: @PaceLaw

  8. Too many Indians are not properly nourished so the pool to draw great athletes shrinks. Too many are vegetarians or nearly vegetarians for religious reasons and not enough money to buy meat/chicken/fish. They are on high starch diets (rice, wheat, legumes) while we are are on high protein-low carb diets for health.
    Note that the meat eating Muslims conquered much of vegetarian India giving us today’s Pakistan and Bangladesh.
    From wikedpedia:

    Muslim conquests in the Indian subcontinent mainly took place from 12th to 16th century, though earlier Muslim conquests include the invasions into modern Pakistan and the Umayyad campaigns in India, during the time of the Rajput Kingdoms in the 8th century.

    Slightly different tangent: History is full of nomadic meat eaters who raid, exploit, conquer and waste the sedentary farmers and village dwellers who eat less meat. Nomads herd animals and travel from lush grazing area to lush grazing area by the seasons. They live off of these animals so are always going to be more carnivorous. The Mongolians even dry out cheese from their herds and eat as a staple. Called Aaruul. It can be dried to very hard like a bone to preserve it for months. No refrigeration obviously.

  9. Why is cricket not an Olympic sport? It’s the #1 athletic passion in a subcontinent with a quarter of the world’s population, plus popular in the UK, Caribbean, and other Commonwealth countries.

    Off-and-on baseball gets eliminated because it’s ostensibly not a global sport, but it’s played substantially on three continents. I guess this is just an f-u to the Americans because it’s our “national pastime.”

    How are badminton, ping pong, and handball — each played in a serious way in only small slivers of the globe — not less global than baseball or cricket?

    • Replies: @showmethereal
    @EdwardM

    Serious guess is because of the potential length of a cricket match... It would take too long.
    But baseball is a waste - not many countries play it. Beach volleyball is another waste because you have "regular" volleyball already.
    Why is handball in? Sports are included that are popular in various regions. I rather watch velodrome than baseball.

    Replies: @meh

  10. @PaceLaw
    Isn’t it plausible to posit that Indians just don’t value athletics or physical fitness in any respect? Just look at the Indians in United States. The only extracurricular activity they participate in are spelling bee tournaments. Also, have you ever noticed very many Indians at your local gym/YMCA? I think it’s just a cultural thing, from the subcontinent to their diaspora around the world. And there’s nothing wrong with that. Different people have the right to have different interests. (I will say that it is very strange though that a people that gave the world yoga and the Kama Sutra chooses not to at least credibly compete in gymnastics.)

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Hannah Katz, @Jack D, @rec1man

    Although gymnastics will make yoga easier, traditionally yoga is not even supposed to be approached as an exercise in physical training.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @Triteleia Laxa

    traditionally yoga is not even supposed to be approached as an exercise in physical training

    Something acknowledged by precisely no one who's just finished their first-ever yoga session.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  11. Put cricket in the Olympics and India will find a way to win the gold.

    • LOL: PaceLaw
    • Replies: @tyrone
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Sorry, Americans don't understand cricket ....and we're not about to....we already have to put up with association football.

    Replies: @Alan D

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    Put cricket in the Olympics and India will find a way to win the gold.
     
    How many five-day test matches could you squeeze into three weeks?

    Replies: @jay ritchie

  12. @Anon
    > There are also racist whispers, some not so quiet, that people from the Himalayan foothills are more martial than others in India and that’s why they make good boxers.

    Twenty odd years after Jon Entine’s Taboo was published it’s still racist to suggest there might be group differences in genetics at play?

    Say what you want about Indians’ lack of athleticism; they are at least smart enough to acknowledge the realities of human biodiversity.

    Replies: @El Dato

    For some reason, there are racist rumors that Gurkhas were pretty surgical with knifes and able to shoot Lee Enfields with high precision from a moving position.

  13. Men’s field hockey final just finished.

    Offside has been abolished in all field hockey and it does not seem too different.

  14. Beyond Olympic medals there are professional sports where lots of money can be made. I don’t think Manute Bol played any high school basketball but the supply of 7 foot 6″ people in the world is limited so how Bol came to the US was probably not because of his academic potential but someone able to get him visa to attend a minor college and groom him for the NBA.

    V. J. Singh, though from Fiji, has shown South Asians can play PGA level golf and India, with 4 times the US population probably has a few giants roaming around capable of being NBA centers or NFL lineman with some coaching. Unless South Asians are completely devoid of athletic talent and or don’t grow to extra large size it is puzzling why none have been discovered. Does HBD not exist in the subcontinent?

  15. My impression growing up is that there were a fair number of Indians in my city that were pretty decent at tennis, which is a sport I played competitively until the end of high school – I would play them in tournaments and my high school had a couple on our team. However, while these guys had good hand eye coordination, I don’t remember any of them being particularly fleet of foot.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Arclight

    There was a pretty good Indian player, Vijay Amritraj, in the last years of amateur tennis. But no one since, to my knowledge.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  16. The Olympics is enjoying its lowest ratings ever. Buy a vowel, Steve.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
    @bro3886

    Ratings are down in all sports.... People are more into taking selfies and virtual reality now than actual reality.

  17. @PaceLaw
    Isn’t it plausible to posit that Indians just don’t value athletics or physical fitness in any respect? Just look at the Indians in United States. The only extracurricular activity they participate in are spelling bee tournaments. Also, have you ever noticed very many Indians at your local gym/YMCA? I think it’s just a cultural thing, from the subcontinent to their diaspora around the world. And there’s nothing wrong with that. Different people have the right to have different interests. (I will say that it is very strange though that a people that gave the world yoga and the Kama Sutra chooses not to at least credibly compete in gymnastics.)

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Hannah Katz, @Jack D, @rec1man

    We see quite a few Indians walking in our neighborhood, some of the women in traditional dress and wearing face masks. Not the fastest walkers. I have also noticed that their kids tend to be skinny but their women tend to be overweight, if not obese. Odd.

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    @Hannah Katz

    Even though many Indians are Hindus and don’t eat meat, obesity and heart disease are a big issue for that community. Apparently they are big lovers of all things fried, including fried carbs (fried mashed potatoes) served in carbs (bread). https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/asian-american-heart-disease-risk/2020/11/13/3a6c8f18-236a-11eb-952e-0c475972cfc0_story.html?outputType=ampThanks

  18. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Put cricket in the Olympics and India will find a way to win the gold.

    Replies: @tyrone, @Reg Cæsar

    Sorry, Americans don’t understand cricket ….and we’re not about to….we already have to put up with association football.

    • Replies: @Alan D
    @tyrone

    NJ Transit Commuter: India would share the medals with Great Britain, Pakistan, Australia and a couple of other countries. I think that they would nearly always get at least a bronze medal.

    Tyrone: I played a lot of cricket, at a low standard, as a child and had plenty of time to learn the rules, which are quite complicated. Expecting Americans and other people not in the British Commonwealth to spend a lot of time learning the rules would be unreasonable, so I don't think that cricket should become an Olympic event. Soccer is different, and is only about as complicated as most games.

  19. Anon[260] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Hat tip to the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education ( https://www.jbhe.com/2021/08/the-huge-racial-disparity-in-passage-rates-on-the-architect-registration-examination/ ), who manage to ferret out all kinds of data showing that their members should not be in higher education:

    Preface, from Wikipedia:

    In the United States, … the National Council of Architectural Registration Boards (NCARB) develops and administers national programs for candidates pursuing architectural licensure. Created in 1919, NCARB is a nonprofit organization made up of the architectural licensing boards of the 50 U.S. states….

    So to be an architect in the United States you need to deal with this test.

    Two weeks ago from the NCARB website:

    NCARB Releases Demographic Data on Architecture Licensing and Exam Performance
    https://www.ncarb.org/press/ncarb-releases-demographic-data-architecture-licensing-and-exam-performance

    Until now passage rates by race had not been released.

    https://www.ncarb.org/nbtn2021/examination

    Blacks are scoring massively below whites. Whites quite comfortably outscore Asians. Weirdly, Native Americans are second to whites in everything: There must be only one feather-indian taking the test, and he’s really smart (and 1/128th indian).

    The following shows the data in detail. If you go to it from the previous link you have to expand the chart to fill the whole screen or the race labels will not all show.

    [MORE]

    https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/ncarb/viz/2021_AREPassRatesbyEthnicDiversity/AREPassRatesbyRaceEthnicity

    I don’t know quite what to make of this. It seems like a really demanding test with a passage rate below bar exams. But why are Asians doing so poorly? And that Native American thing? But I’m glad there is, for a while longer at least, a gatekeeper keeping architects honest.

    I remember recently reading a story about a black architect at a decent firm who supposedly brought the firm some business in the form of a commission to design some sort of hip hop museum. The architect quit the firm, and there was some hint of an unwelcoming environment. The architect had not gotten a new architecture job, but had founded a consultancy to help architecture firms become more equitable. I smelled a rat. This was like all the black Harvard law graduates who are no longer practicing law three years after graduation. Digging a little further into this guy’s CV I discovered that he wasn’t actually a full-blown architect, and that there was a test that lay between him and being an architect. This was probably the test.

    • Thanks: Calvin Hobbes
    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @Anon

    Asians do poorly because there is a substantial creative aspect to the test. About Amerinds, you can forget it; they're Elizabeth Warren types.

    Anyway for reasons of Diversity and Inclusion this test will have to be reformed, and after this the engineer's exams. Bright future ahead.

  20. Perhaps Indians are more interested in the Commonwealth Games than in the Olympic Games? India has done fairly well, though underperformed for population, but the Colonoal-leftover events (like Cricket and Lawn Bowling) are probably more popular in India (and Pakistan) than many of the Olympic events.

  21. India and Pakistan both qualified for the javelin final which is pretty remarkable given the societal lack of interest in track and field sports.

  22. I loved the food when I went, but I had a sore throat within 5 minutes of leaving the airport in Calcutta because the Air Quality Index was at over 400 when I got there. I don’t think I could have run for very long in that air.

  23. On the other hand there are still some posterity Americans winning gold . There remains local strength here and there. Meanwhile in post-posterity America:

    American progressivism is not communism, obviously, anymore than its opponents are Nazis; the market is perfectly capable of achieving most progressive goals

    No, it is. And we’re not.

    Wall St. bankrolled the Bolsheviks, and we’re the ones who beat Schiklgruber, not Antifa. Pox on both your houses is how you and Ross got in this mess Ed. Also read your Moldbug re: communism.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Desiderius


    Wall St. bankrolled the Bolsheviks
     
    They did? I thought they bankrolled Nazis. It's hard ot keep track.

    and we’re the ones who beat Schiklgruber
     
    No.

    not Antifa
     
    Yes.

    People should beat Antifa.

    The US didn't even truly beat the Japs. China should demand reparations.

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse, @Desiderius

    , @J.Ross
    @Desiderius

    And progressives will pretty much tell you they're socialists. They generally don't need to be prompted. Hard to miss, unless you're a professional journalist.

    , @Jack D
    @Desiderius

    West draws a lot of parallels between the late stage USSR and the US today (declining birth rate, increasing death rate due to alcohol and drug consumption, rigid ideological conformity, ethnic set-asides, etc.) which are not wrong.

    He also introduces a bizarre and off topic plug for immigration:


    When your migrant neighbour gets rich — and even richer than you — not only will it not harm you but you may well benefit.
     
    Maybe yes and maybe no. The Indian doctor who lives in the big house on a big lot next door to me seems to have different ideas than most Americans about the necessity of grass cutting and other landscape maintenance. Not only have I not benefitted from this immigrant diversity but I would say that the mosquitos that grow in his yard have in fact harmed me. And I've noticed that the roads are more crowded than they used to be (and Indians ain't such hot drivers) and that it's harder for my kids to get into a good university and get a good job, etc. so whatever "benefits" there are (I'll admit that it's easier to get a good biryani nowadays) are not entirely unalloyed.

    Replies: @uman, @Henry's Cat, @John Johnson, @Anonymous

  24. There are a million local games around the world like this and hopefully they won’t all get swept away by the soccer-basketball juggernaut that’s making the world blander.

    Yes, absolutely. See the Netflix documentary series Home Game for some of these. The first episode, on Florence’s calcio storico–“traditional football,” an organized brawl that also involves a ball and pits the city’s several historic neighborhoods or rioni against each other–is an eye-opener.

    I guess you could call the sport itself an eye-closer, for the players on the receiving end of a haymaker to the face.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Game_(TV_series)

    • Thanks: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    @slumber_j

    Hornussen, since we're doing this now. I would watch that before bullshit like yachting, beach volleyball, ribbon-twirling or BMX. Also superior to some wog rabble having a mêlée where the existence of the ball is barely relevant.

    Plus, it's golf-adjacent - it's like golf where you hit an ice-hockey puck with a fishing rod, while the opposition tries to block your drive using protest placards.

    The next step for the olympics will be even more bullshit 'sports', like competitive XBox and 'drag races' (in the RuPaul sense of the term).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdIHOV6VGNU

  25. India are currently whipping England in the cricket test match that started yesterday.

    • LOL: Old and Grumpy
  26. “There are also racist whispers, some not so quiet, that people from the Himalayan foothills are more martial than others in India and that’s why they make good boxers.”

    I find this phenomenon of multiculturalist progressives who are uncomfortable with actual cultural diversity interesting? Of course a country such as India is going to have sub-cultures that vary in their emphasis in martial values. It’s as though they want “Diversity!” without actual cultural diversity.

  27. India used to be known for their wrestlers like the legendary Great Gama, but that was long ago. Wrestling is or was king in India. They were schooled just like sumo wrestlers in Japan, they lived in camps of dojos, performed chores like digging a wrestling pit out of very muddy ground, would rise at 4 am to do countless bodyweight exercises called baithaks and dands ( Indian style bodyweight squats and pushups aka Hindu squats and Hindu pushups.) Gama was said to have done up to 1,500 squats and dands a day along with heavy manual labor, wrestling for a couple of hours, followed at the end by a short run. The guy was just about unbeatable. Indian wrestlers also used clubs commonly called Persian/Indian clubs made famous by rassler The Iron Sheik, gar nals which are large stones with a center cut out to be used for squats or in the case of Gama and others to run with around their neck, mace clubs, etc. Milk is viewed as the magic juice for Indian wrestlers where instead of PEDs they are encouraged to consume mass quantities of the stuff daily. Milk does indeed do a body good and before being vilified was on every athlete’s menu not that long ago.

    These antiquated tools of fitness have made a jump in popularity in the last few decades with the antiquated kettlebell suddenly being seen all over the place, and manufacturers are taking advantage of a gullible public. Want a 16lb macebell, simple, go and buy a sledgehammer, there is your authenic Indian macebell, and there is a reason why the dumbbell replaced the clumsy kettlebell. The kettlebell destroys wrists, busts elbows and gives you the joints of an arthritic 80 year old man if you are dumb enough to keep using them by the time you turn 40. And Indian/Persian clubbells were last seen when Battlin’ Siki and his pet lion were taking walks through the streets of Paris until WWWF legend, Iron Sheik offered his Persian club swinging contest.

    Anyhow, I believe an East Indian has reached the finals in freestyle wrestling and will be going for gold. Wrestling is king in India last time I checked, Indian physical culture from wrestling to yoga to diet, has always fascinated me. I would claim that wrestling is still the national sport of India.

  28. Most of these sports are based on access to facilites.

    There is no genetic component or it is insigficant

    I gaurantee you if you gave Africans the best facilites on par with western countriues they woild doimaite the olymopics

    Oh by the way USA is kicking butt in the olympics. MOstly People of COlor

    Looks like diversity works!

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Tiny Duck

    You need a custom keyboard for webbed feet.

  29. @Zorrothustra
    Observing the countries of Guyana, Trinidad, and Fiji is an interesting on this. Over 40% of each of those countries are descended from Indians, and yet the Indian-origin segments of those countries are completely invisible in their Olympic teams.

    Aside from the ethnically distinct North-Easterners and the warrior people of Punjab and Kashmir, Indians are unfortunately not terribly athletic. I'm Indian-origin and I don't much mind.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    Fiji’s population is almost 50% Indian-descended, and their rugby team (which won the Olympics Sevens gold, beating New Zealand) is AFAIK 100% ethnic Fijian.

    Fiji are great to watch at rugby, a real blend of power, athleticism and sheer joy.

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I strongly question whether Fijians are of 50% Indian descent. Granted, about half of the island’s population is Indian, but to say that the stock of these elite Fujian rugby players has an Indian component is a bit of an overreach in my estimation.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  30. Steve,

    Have you, or any else, looked at the role of urbanization in identifying and developing athletic talent? My understanding is that India is still very rural and that may be an impediment.

    For instance in Canada if you are a promising youth hockey player even from an isolated small town you will be scouted and you’ll move away as a young teenager to play for major-junior team and you’ll be billeted in someone’s home. You’ll be on the ice everyday training with the best in your peer group in the country. That system doesn’t really exist for other sports in Canada and I doubt it exists in India in any form. The result is talent is overlooked in rural areas, and India is very rural.

    An interesting illustration of this point is Jim Thorpe. I doubt he goes on to athletic fame if he doesn’t get sent to Carlisle Indian School where he was scouted and trained by Pop Warner. How much Native -American athletic talent goes undeveloped because they tend to live in the most isolated parts of fly-over country?

    Another area of comparison might be urban vs rural vs suburban vs exurban. My impression is that elite athletes increasingly come from suburbs and exurbs.

  31. I saw Pakistan beat West Germany in field hockey for the gold medal at the 1984 Olympics. I played a little field hockey at the park as a teen, and it was fun, but I thought the gold medal game I went to was not a good spectator sport because the ref was constantly stopping play for offsides violations. Hopefully, they’ve figured out better rules to let the teams play on more since then.

    They seem to have figured this out with Olympic basketball: there are fewer fouls called (partly because the rules relating to defense near the rim are loser, I think). OTOH, they don’t seem to have replay, so obvious errors don’t get corrected.

    A single elimination tournament is also a refreshing change from the NBA’s interminable playoff series.

  32. @Desiderius
    On the other hand there are still some posterity Americans winning gold . There remains local strength here and there. Meanwhile in post-posterity America:

    https://twitter.com/DouthatNYT/status/1422913126278832137?s=20


    American progressivism is not communism, obviously, anymore than its opponents are Nazis; the market is perfectly capable of achieving most progressive goals
     
    No, it is. And we’re not.

    Wall St. bankrolled the Bolsheviks, and we’re the ones who beat Schiklgruber, not Antifa. Pox on both your houses is how you and Ross got in this mess Ed. Also read your Moldbug re: communism.

    Replies: @El Dato, @J.Ross, @Jack D

    Wall St. bankrolled the Bolsheviks

    They did? I thought they bankrolled Nazis. It’s hard ot keep track.

    and we’re the ones who beat Schiklgruber

    No.

    not Antifa

    Yes.

    People should beat Antifa.

    The US didn’t even truly beat the Japs. China should demand reparations.

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
    @El Dato

    They bank rolled both International Socialism and National Socialism. More Profit!

    The Intelligence Complex runs both Anti-fa and Proud Boys. Fake Left and Fake Right.

    , @Desiderius
    @El Dato

    The inevitability of American manufacturing might is in fact what “won” both ends of the Second Thirty Years War. They stayed out of our Civil War but we didn’t return the favor.

  33. @Snej
    There are very few Indian-American athletes too. Unless you count Spelling Bee Champions

    Replies: @Ganderson, @Truth, @indocon

    Jim Thorpe? Lou Sockalexis? Sonny Sixkiller? Jim Plunkett? Henry Boucha? Gary Sargent, TJ Oshie… oh, sorry, my dyslexia must have kicked in…

  34. Northern Burma is one of the last really interesting places that unfortunately you can’t really visit, especially now (politics and COVID).

    • Agree: PiltdownMan
  35. Came here for the yoga and kamu sutra pictures, left disappointed… *sigh*

    • LOL: showmethereal
  36. Institute Olympic-level competitions for feminine bickering, quibbling, haggling, nagging, niggling, equivocating, accusing, holding forth, and table speechifying. The winner at all levels will be an Indian every time.

    • LOL: PaceLaw
  37. @Desiderius
    On the other hand there are still some posterity Americans winning gold . There remains local strength here and there. Meanwhile in post-posterity America:

    https://twitter.com/DouthatNYT/status/1422913126278832137?s=20


    American progressivism is not communism, obviously, anymore than its opponents are Nazis; the market is perfectly capable of achieving most progressive goals
     
    No, it is. And we’re not.

    Wall St. bankrolled the Bolsheviks, and we’re the ones who beat Schiklgruber, not Antifa. Pox on both your houses is how you and Ross got in this mess Ed. Also read your Moldbug re: communism.

    Replies: @El Dato, @J.Ross, @Jack D

    And progressives will pretty much tell you they’re socialists. They generally don’t need to be prompted. Hard to miss, unless you’re a professional journalist.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  38. I’ve traveled quite a bit and thought I had seen just about every sport that has ever been televised when I came across Kabbadi one time. WTF? It’s like some combo of tag and tackle-the-man-with-the-ball, only there’s no ball.
    The guys playing were all very tall and athletic looking, like basketball/volleyball types, though.

    Weird.

    • Replies: @Tark Marg
    @Clemsnman

    You haven’t understood the game well.

    Briefly, one team sends a raider to the other team’s court. If the raider touches you and makes it back to his side, you’re out.

    But if the raider is physically subdued by the other team (who outnumber him) then he’s out.

    So both the raider and his opponents need to get close to score but too close or slow and you’re out.

    So there’s a very narrow sweet spot which requires lightning reflexes and great teamwork. That makes it fun to play and see.

  39. The other day an article stated that the next couple Olympics were venued in ‘wealthy’ countries. No need for mega expenditures on infrastructure and stadiums. Fact is when you are in charge of a very poor country with millions of impoverished citizens the last thing on your mind should be sports. Can’t feed people gold, silver or bronze medals.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Buffalo Joe

    Sports are often seen as bringing international prestige to your country, especially (but not only) by totalitarian governments who always have a chip on their shoulder regarding the inherent flaws of their system otherwise. If Cuba can win lots of Olympic medals, then maybe being a brutal Communist dictatorship is a superior form of government after all. Or if you are "rising power" sponsoring an Olympics is a way of showing that you have arrived.

    Would this money be better spent elsewhere? Sure, but you can say that about a lot of things (space programs, the military, most "social" spending, etc.) - because government is not subject to the ruthless profit or go out of business constraints of private businesses, almost everything that it does is inefficient. The usual question regarding government sponsored activities is not whether they will have a negative IRR but HOW BIG a negative?

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    , @Rob
    @Buffalo Joe

    Yup. The communists, at least the European ones had, and maybe third world countries have now, a cargo cult view of international athletic competition and high culture. The communists noticed that wealthy, developed countries like England, US, France, and Germany produced enough wealth (and people living off capital and rent) that these countries did well in the Olympics and had ballets and orchestras. The Soviets, not being overly intelligent, and in fairness, not being able to develop with a terrible system, decided that if they won stuff at the Olympics, then they were developed civilized countries, too. Never mind that their amateur athletes were not spoiled rich kids and idle gentry. Their amateurs were selected from the entire population and trained daily, with no control over their lives. Not even the “vitamins” they had to take. Again in fairness, no Eastern bloc citizen had much control over his life.

    I think seriously third world places are usually not nations, so the kleptocrats do not feel any need to rouse “their” people with Olympic gold. Unlike the communists, Zimbabwe’s rich just want to drain the last wealth out of country. They are not trying to convince other nations that the Zimbabwean way is the best. For many Americans, Zimbabweism sells itself!

    The way China is doing is about the best one could hope for. First you develop the economy, then most everyone eats a lot better, so the kids grow up un-stunted. Then you win more gold medals than America. America, a formerly developed nation whose delusional ruling class uses the Olympics to show that Diversity is Our Strength, rather than do anything about the childhood obesity and inactivity problems, or the children don’t have two parents problem. Or the endless hordes from Central America (they ain’t even athletic!) with no end in sight problem. The unaffordable government, now that the factories are gone and the donor class won’t let us tax capital problem…

    We gots probl *Look a gymnast doing a triple Biles flip. America, fuck yeah!*

    Replies: @Jack D

  40. @PaceLaw
    Isn’t it plausible to posit that Indians just don’t value athletics or physical fitness in any respect? Just look at the Indians in United States. The only extracurricular activity they participate in are spelling bee tournaments. Also, have you ever noticed very many Indians at your local gym/YMCA? I think it’s just a cultural thing, from the subcontinent to their diaspora around the world. And there’s nothing wrong with that. Different people have the right to have different interests. (I will say that it is very strange though that a people that gave the world yoga and the Kama Sutra chooses not to at least credibly compete in gymnastics.)

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Hannah Katz, @Jack D, @rec1man

    I think it’s just a cultural thing, from the subcontinent to their diaspora around the world.

    It’s partly a cultural thing but it’s not JUST a cultural thing. Nature reinforces nurture and vice versa. People enjoy doing things that they are naturally good at. If you are a child of Indian extraction in Trinidad and you keep getting your ass kicked in foot races with the black kids, you are not likely to want to pursue running to higher levels of the sport. If OTOH, you are a black kid and the Indian kids keep kicking your ass in the spelling bee, then you are not likely to pursue that further either. Of course there are exceptions:

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Jack D

    Very true. Indian kids seem focused on Spelling bee, Geography bee and such. Recently, they have started winning Chess. An Indian kid became the youngest Grandmaster recently.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4kMyHWA8DY

  41. I taught snow skiing for 25+ years. It was universally recognized in that profession (which was predominately, but not completely White) that there was something oddly unathletic about Asian Indians.
    This included a seemingly complete unawareness of their bodies, fear to the point of panic at the first sign of sliding or slipping (which is sort of the point of skiing), inability to move body parts separately. poor eye hand coordination, a general limpness to their bodies. Interestingly, the men were usually more hopeless than the women.

    • Replies: @jilla2
    @Hank Archer

    Funny, I went skiing with an Indian guy once who I assumed was at least somewhat athletic (was very fit, worked out, lifted weights). Not that I'm a great skier but I've never seen such a lack of coordination.

    However, I did know an Indian guy in high school who was a pretty good basketball player. Maybe he was an outlier. I believe he was Hindu, but his last name was a typical Muslim one, so maybe that had something to do with it.

    I've got to think the lack of Indian athletic success is at least somewhat cultural. I work with Indians (in India and US) and older ones (40+) seem to have a disdain for physical activity. I don't know if it's a caste-related thing, The younger ones (both in India and the US) seem to take physical activity more seriously.

  42. @Buffalo Joe
    The other day an article stated that the next couple Olympics were venued in 'wealthy' countries. No need for mega expenditures on infrastructure and stadiums. Fact is when you are in charge of a very poor country with millions of impoverished citizens the last thing on your mind should be sports. Can't feed people gold, silver or bronze medals.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Rob

    Sports are often seen as bringing international prestige to your country, especially (but not only) by totalitarian governments who always have a chip on their shoulder regarding the inherent flaws of their system otherwise. If Cuba can win lots of Olympic medals, then maybe being a brutal Communist dictatorship is a superior form of government after all. Or if you are “rising power” sponsoring an Olympics is a way of showing that you have arrived.

    Would this money be better spent elsewhere? Sure, but you can say that about a lot of things (space programs, the military, most “social” spending, etc.) – because government is not subject to the ruthless profit or go out of business constraints of private businesses, almost everything that it does is inefficient. The usual question regarding government sponsored activities is not whether they will have a negative IRR but HOW BIG a negative?

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Jack D

    Jack, nicely stated but the poor in this country don't suffer from our space program and no place in America resembles the hell holes of Calcutta or the favelas of Rio.

    Replies: @D. K., @Paperback Writer

  43. Competative Call Centers?

    • Agree: SaneClownPosse
  44. ES says:

    I played a little field hockey at the park as a teen, and it was fun

    When* I was in high school, field hockey was a girl’s game. At least it was in Delaware. The girls played rough too. It was pretty common to have girls show up in class with bandaged calves and ankles injured playing field hockey.

    *I’m a year older than you.

  45. India has a decent wrestling team and they’ve been improving in the last decade. 57kg Ravi Kumar won a silver medal earlier today and 65kg Bajrang Punia is one of the favorites tomorrow. All four of their Olympic qualifiers are from the Haryana region in NW India, adjacent to Punjab.

    • Replies: @rec1man
    @Magic Dirt Resident

    All of them are vegetarian Jatt caste

  46. @Desiderius
    On the other hand there are still some posterity Americans winning gold . There remains local strength here and there. Meanwhile in post-posterity America:

    https://twitter.com/DouthatNYT/status/1422913126278832137?s=20


    American progressivism is not communism, obviously, anymore than its opponents are Nazis; the market is perfectly capable of achieving most progressive goals
     
    No, it is. And we’re not.

    Wall St. bankrolled the Bolsheviks, and we’re the ones who beat Schiklgruber, not Antifa. Pox on both your houses is how you and Ross got in this mess Ed. Also read your Moldbug re: communism.

    Replies: @El Dato, @J.Ross, @Jack D

    West draws a lot of parallels between the late stage USSR and the US today (declining birth rate, increasing death rate due to alcohol and drug consumption, rigid ideological conformity, ethnic set-asides, etc.) which are not wrong.

    He also introduces a bizarre and off topic plug for immigration:

    When your migrant neighbour gets rich — and even richer than you — not only will it not harm you but you may well benefit.

    Maybe yes and maybe no. The Indian doctor who lives in the big house on a big lot next door to me seems to have different ideas than most Americans about the necessity of grass cutting and other landscape maintenance. Not only have I not benefitted from this immigrant diversity but I would say that the mosquitos that grow in his yard have in fact harmed me. And I’ve noticed that the roads are more crowded than they used to be (and Indians ain’t such hot drivers) and that it’s harder for my kids to get into a good university and get a good job, etc. so whatever “benefits” there are (I’ll admit that it’s easier to get a good biryani nowadays) are not entirely unalloyed.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @uman
    @Jack D

    Well ok grass cutting is annoying but not the end of the world.

    But your kids not getting into a good university is your fault not the indian's. Also bad drivers are everywhere but autonomous driving could fix that for all races. And by bad do you mean slow drivers?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Alden

    , @Henry's Cat
    @Jack D


    He also introduces a bizarre and off topic plug for immigration:
     
    The Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union also had a certain stimulating effect.
    , @John Johnson
    @Jack D

    The Indian doctor who lives in the big house on a big lot next door to me seems to have different ideas than most Americans about the necessity of grass cutting and other landscape maintenance. Not only have I not benefitted from this immigrant diversity but I would say that the mosquitos that grow in his yard have in fact harmed me.

    1. Put a giant bull skull on your house.

    2. Spray his yard with round-up when he is gone.

    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    Maybe yes and maybe no. The Indian doctor who lives in the big house on a big lot next door to me k to have different ideas than most Americans about the necessity of grass cutting and other landscape maintenance. Not only have I not benefitted from this immigrant diversity but I would say that the mosquitos that grow in his yard have in fact harmed me.
     
    I’m a landlord, I have a property in a middle-class neighborhood, rent for a two-bed is $1900 to $2100, and the illegals who are renting next door were trying to declare war on my pissed off tenants. The illegals, in their early 30's, live in a two bedroom house, have four kids under 10 years old, plus a sister and a cousin. One of the kid is a little 4 year old girl, they’re taking care of for the wife's sister, who got deported back to Mexico, and can’t get back in. So there’s 8 people living in the two bed!

    When the little girl arrived, my tenants said they heard her crying every night for a month. Missed her mom. Latino parents can be horrible, I’ve found.

    Meanwhile, all my tenants are white collar professional types, paying a lot more rent than the illegals, and the culture clash is pronounced.

    The illegals like to park their pickups on their lawn, work on their shitty cars in the driveway, leaving oil slicks, and they let their kids run around screaming and acting like animals till 1:00 pm at night. And the shitty mariachi music. No other house or apt on the block has this shit going on.

    Recently, one of the illegals complained to me that one of my tenants called him a "stupid wetback," after the illegal refused to control his loud shitty kids. "They’re kids! They make noise." Yeah, a 5 year old screaming outside and running around at 10:30 at night is just what kids do. They called the police on my tenants, complaining of a "hate crime" of telling their kids to pipe down, and the "dumb wetback" remark. Since my tenant is Latino, a white collar administrator who works at the shipyards, it was impossible to get the police on board with them.

    I didn’t know how to respond when my tenant called to tell me what happened. It wasn’t a racist thing, it was a class issue, and my tenant was right. They are dumb wetbacks. The wee kind from central Mexico that other Mexicans treat like shit, so I’ve heard. I’ve never seen them this bold, however. I suspect Biden's welcoming attitude has emboldened many, many illegals to assert themselves with their lowbrow bullshit against US citizens like never before. We recently had an entire busy intersection in an upper class neighborhood completely shut down by wetbacks holding a "spin out" contest with their shitty "race cars." Something that was unfathomable just a few years ago.

    We think of them as "Biden's Wetbacks," and they’ve turned parts of our town into a Tijuana shithole. Again, their boldness is astounding to me.

    Anyhoo… I decided not to wade into the interpersonal shitshow between my tenants and the wetbacks, since the wetbacks had little command of the English language, and I pride myself on not learning Spanish, I called code enforcement with a laundry list of everything I could identify on that property that wasn’t up to snuff, including housing mexicans in their garage space. I included my suspicion of human trafficking. The city crawled up the landlord's ass, and it’s gotten a LOT quieter around there. the difference is like night and day.

    There's more I could legally do that would really disrupt them, enough so that they’d have to move, but I’m leaving things alone for now, as long as they control their shitty kids, and stop acting like aggressive dumb peasants. I’m not a ruthless guy. However, if they act up again, the shit will rain on Mexico.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Corvinus, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

  47. @Altai
    Since most Olympic sports aren't professional, it's a matter of living near the best facilities for the sport. This has some added benefit in that it's not just people from the capital but people who live near the facilities that tend to become good enough to represent countries. I personally think this development is wrong and robs the sports of their authenticity since it's not a matter as much of tradition, some countries can just buy success like the UK did with the velodrome facilities it built only for the Olympics in 2012 but which allow it to field a powerful force in Olympic cycling despite it having a much weaker tradition of indoor cycling compared to other countries. There is an international development centre in Germany which has started to break up the European and affluent Asian flags at least in individual velodrome events. But that has nothing to do with those athletes countries of origin.

    So many athletes who represent their country live elsewhere to be near the best trainers and facilities,. This also helps to keep them younger since it's easier to go to a university in another country without it causing too much disruption to life. An example of an Indian athlete doing quite well in this is Fouaad Mirza who did quite well at dressage but who, unsurprisingly trains and lives abroad in Germany. (And needless to say, his horse is not Indian bred either)

    https://olympics.com/en/news/tokyo-2020-olympics-indian-equestrian-fouaad-mirza-dressage-results

    So India has a lot of things going against it. In sports where it does have a good tradition, it should simply spend more money, such as wrestling and weight lifting. Otherwise there is a big bias against rich Indians going into sports as opposed to academics and poor Indians are so marginalised they can't really, not at amateur level. This same pattern exists in Western countries where Indians have lived for many generations, there is a prejudice against sports along with poor diet. (You see a lot of chubby Indian and Pakistani kids not a lot of athletic ones)

    Replies: @peterike, @Anon, @showmethereal, @John Johnson

    You see a lot of chubby Indian and Pakistani kids

    Vegetarian diets are carb-heavy and bad for you. Also, Indians love sweet stuff. It’s not just the kids who are chubby.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @peterike

    Thank God they are making more of these people by the billion. Soon the USA will join all those other countries which are 50% or more Indian.

    USA in the year 2060: half a billion Indians fighting it out with half a billion Africans. I wonder if they'll make it an Olympic sport.

    Replies: @showmethereal

    , @PaceLaw
    @peterike

    Well said. If you are interested in a little leisure reading on this topic:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/asian-american-heart-disease-risk/2020/11/13/3a6c8f18-236a-11eb-952e-0c475972cfc0_story.html?outputType=amp

  48. “India, they say, is already a sporting powerhouse, just not in pursuits that are in the Olympics.”

    No kidding – just look at this:

  49. • Replies: @Alden
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Translation it was a huge mistake to have so many pictures taken and my name appearing in flight logs and invitation lists to Epstein’s events.

  50. sb says:

    Field hockey ( called hockey outside North America ) has changed a lot since the halcyon days of Indian dominance
    It used to be like soccer but with a stick and a small hard ball -a game that emphasised dribbling and ball control played on grass . Now it is played on a well moistened artificial surface with hard hitting and no off side . The top national teams are mainly of Northern Western European types who can hold their position and hit the ball very hard. The sort of guys who work out at the gym in fact . The Indian team has always been very Sikh heavy

    Nevertheless India has rejoined the group of countries which generally qualify for every Olympics and has won the bronze at the current Olympics ( beating Germany – Belgium beat Australia for the Gold )

  51. In line with PaceLaw, Indians may not care to put in the work to excel at the arcane. In the end, it is individuals that do the work to become exceptional.

  52. Anonymous[357] • Disclaimer says:

    India used to rule men’s field hockey in the mid-20th century. Then the Euros teamed up and changed the international rules to make the surface artificial turf instead of natural grass. This made the game more passing-oriented than the Indians were used to, and further hurt them since artificial fields were so rare in India.

  53. Here is a chart of the world’s age distribution (c. 2016):

    Here is a chart of India’s age distribution (c. 2016):

    So, India has nearly one-fifth of all of the people in the world who are in the primary age range (15-34) for Olympians.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/datablog/interactive/2012/aug/07/olympic-athletes-age-weight-height

    (This is the most recent Olympics for which I could readily find an age-distribution graph.)

  54. Badminton is another popular sport in India. Second most played after cricket per Wikipedia.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badminton_in_India

    They only started winning Olympic medals (one each year, bronze, silver, bronze) in 2012, but had some world success in other venues before that.

    Here is an article about India’s badminton in the Olympics.
    https://olympics.com/en/featured-news/india-badminton-olympic-games-medals-saina-nehwal-pv-sindhu

  55. I’ve always thought that each country ought to sponsor an international athletic festival focusing on sports with which it has a particular association. The Olympics could be the Greek one, held in Elis every four years and featuring events from the ancient Olympics as well as sports popular in Greece now.

    In the case of a sport that is big only in the host country, as kabaddi is in India, that host country could field one team, the rest of the world could combine to form another team, and they could square off. Not only would that be a big event in the host country, but there would always be a chance the sport would catch on someplace else.

    If a sport is big in two countries, you’d have national teams from those countries and a rest-of-the-world team against them. So in Canada’s international games, you could have two Canadian curling teams taking on one Scottish team and one rest-of-the world team.

    In the case of sports that are big in a great many countries, you could have a great many teams. Again, it would be good to have a rest-of-the-world team in each sport collecting talented players from countries that couldn’t compete on their own. And in individual sports, people could compete as individuals, with less of the nationalistic display that permeates the Olympics. Each festival would be a showcase for its host country, so the guests would honor their own countries simply by demonstrating that they were taught how to behave appropriately when abroad.

  56. My advice to Modi: Ditch that fascination with Olympic gold medals and focus on what you are good at: Go for the gold in C++, Java and such. Olympic gold attraction will force you to import Africans and invest huge amount in useless pharmaceutical research. Put that money to better use making cheaper generic drugs and vaccines.

  57. Because the Hindus from India are too busy voting Donald Trump’s Voting Bloc into a White Racial Minority within the borders of America….and Nov 3 every 4 years POTUS Election is the demographic nullification of the Native White Working Class Vote as a consequence….You are the Hindu’s slave now….Was NFL Tyrone Ball for 50 years worth it?

  58. For the most part Indians are short. They don’t eat meat, and are terrified of the sun making their skin dark. Indians have polluted their waters. Most sports favor the tall. Meat protein is good for the muscles. Good many sports are still practiced and played out doors. Thanks to dumping granny’s ashes in the rivers, there will never be Indian water sport athletes. However as a group they are the world’s champion pain in the arses. That has to count for something.

    • Agree: 3g4me, PaceLaw
  59. Help!

  60. @Buffalo Joe
    The other day an article stated that the next couple Olympics were venued in 'wealthy' countries. No need for mega expenditures on infrastructure and stadiums. Fact is when you are in charge of a very poor country with millions of impoverished citizens the last thing on your mind should be sports. Can't feed people gold, silver or bronze medals.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Rob

    Yup. The communists, at least the European ones had, and maybe third world countries have now, a cargo cult view of international athletic competition and high culture. The communists noticed that wealthy, developed countries like England, US, France, and Germany produced enough wealth (and people living off capital and rent) that these countries did well in the Olympics and had ballets and orchestras. The Soviets, not being overly intelligent, and in fairness, not being able to develop with a terrible system, decided that if they won stuff at the Olympics, then they were developed civilized countries, too. Never mind that their amateur athletes were not spoiled rich kids and idle gentry. Their amateurs were selected from the entire population and trained daily, with no control over their lives. Not even the “vitamins” they had to take. Again in fairness, no Eastern bloc citizen had much control over his life.

    I think seriously third world places are usually not nations, so the kleptocrats do not feel any need to rouse “their” people with Olympic gold. Unlike the communists, Zimbabwe’s rich just want to drain the last wealth out of country. They are not trying to convince other nations that the Zimbabwean way is the best. For many Americans, Zimbabweism sells itself!

    The way China is doing is about the best one could hope for. First you develop the economy, then most everyone eats a lot better, so the kids grow up un-stunted. Then you win more gold medals than America. America, a formerly developed nation whose delusional ruling class uses the Olympics to show that Diversity is Our Strength, rather than do anything about the childhood obesity and inactivity problems, or the children don’t have two parents problem. Or the endless hordes from Central America (they ain’t even athletic!) with no end in sight problem. The unaffordable government, now that the factories are gone and the donor class won’t let us tax capital problem…

    We gots probl *Look a gymnast doing a triple Biles flip. America, fuck yeah!*

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Rob

    I agree that the Chinese have done a lot right in the developing the economy/getting everyone enough food to eat dept. but like any other Communist regime they view Olympic gold as something that enhances their national prestige and they have invested a lot of money and resources with the express goal of winning medals. You don't win 38 golds without an expensive organized effort that is usually regime sponsored. (India illustrates what happens in the absence of such an effort).

    It also wouldn't surprise me if the Chinese had an organized doping program that is better hidden than the Russian one. Russians have great skills in engaging in shenanigans (their scheme for swapping out urine samples in Sochi was quite clever) but their skills at completely covering their tracks are not as good as they once were with the result that their tricks sometimes backfire on them when they are exposed later on.

    Replies: @showmethereal

  61. @Jack D
    @Buffalo Joe

    Sports are often seen as bringing international prestige to your country, especially (but not only) by totalitarian governments who always have a chip on their shoulder regarding the inherent flaws of their system otherwise. If Cuba can win lots of Olympic medals, then maybe being a brutal Communist dictatorship is a superior form of government after all. Or if you are "rising power" sponsoring an Olympics is a way of showing that you have arrived.

    Would this money be better spent elsewhere? Sure, but you can say that about a lot of things (space programs, the military, most "social" spending, etc.) - because government is not subject to the ruthless profit or go out of business constraints of private businesses, almost everything that it does is inefficient. The usual question regarding government sponsored activities is not whether they will have a negative IRR but HOW BIG a negative?

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Jack, nicely stated but the poor in this country don’t suffer from our space program and no place in America resembles the hell holes of Calcutta or the favelas of Rio.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Buffalo Joe

    Well . . .

    https://twitter.com/renaissancezoee/status/1421582040244367360

    Replies: @additionalMike, @Truth, @epebble, @prosa123

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Buffalo Joe

    A few years ago, I'd have agreed with this:

    "no place in America resembles the hell holes of Calcutta or the favelas of Rio."

    Now, I'm not so sure. A lot of America is not merely physically blighted, they are suffering from moral and psychic blight. The slums of India and Brazil at least have people who believe in their customs and traditions. What have we got?

    Replies: @anon, @Buffalo Joe

  62. The state of Haryana (population: 25 million) sends a disproportionate amount of Indian athletes to the Olympics.

    Just today, a Haryanvi wrestler got a silver medal in the men’s 57kg wrestling, being denied the gold by a Russian from Dagestan.

    You can see the R1b connection if you look closely.

    • Replies: @rec1man
    @Kuru

    R1A not R1B ; These are Haryanvi Jats, vegetarian and about 40% Steppe, for comparison, Russians are about 60% R1A Steppe

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  63. OT Cori Bush (whom you might remember from a lazy hate hoax attempt) has used her Congressional office to threaten people in public.

  64. @Jack D
    @Desiderius

    West draws a lot of parallels between the late stage USSR and the US today (declining birth rate, increasing death rate due to alcohol and drug consumption, rigid ideological conformity, ethnic set-asides, etc.) which are not wrong.

    He also introduces a bizarre and off topic plug for immigration:


    When your migrant neighbour gets rich — and even richer than you — not only will it not harm you but you may well benefit.
     
    Maybe yes and maybe no. The Indian doctor who lives in the big house on a big lot next door to me seems to have different ideas than most Americans about the necessity of grass cutting and other landscape maintenance. Not only have I not benefitted from this immigrant diversity but I would say that the mosquitos that grow in his yard have in fact harmed me. And I've noticed that the roads are more crowded than they used to be (and Indians ain't such hot drivers) and that it's harder for my kids to get into a good university and get a good job, etc. so whatever "benefits" there are (I'll admit that it's easier to get a good biryani nowadays) are not entirely unalloyed.

    Replies: @uman, @Henry's Cat, @John Johnson, @Anonymous

    Well ok grass cutting is annoying but not the end of the world.

    But your kids not getting into a good university is your fault not the indian’s. Also bad drivers are everywhere but autonomous driving could fix that for all races. And by bad do you mean slow drivers?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @uman

    Bbbut Ed told me that I would BENEFIT, not that I would suffer only relatively minor annoyance. Where's my benefit?

    , @Alden
    @uman

    Superbly qualified Whites not getting good jobs and or contracts and White kids not getting into good universities has just 4 causes .

    The 1968 federal affirmative action law, similar laws in every state and one decision of the satanic Supreme Court Griggs VS Duke Power 1971. Kaiser VS Weber 1979 was just a mopping up operation* All these laws ferociously enforced by the federal EEOC, the justice for all but Whites federal department and 50 state FEOCs.

    Where have you been the last 53 years? Not in the USA.

    * Kaiser VS Weber the satanic supremes decreed that it was discriminatory to require a steel mill foreman applicant

    1 have a high school diploma
    2 8th grade reading and writing skills.
    3 basic math to figure out a vacation schedule so that out of a crew of 25 7 would be on vacation and 18 in the crew to keep the unit functioning.
    4 to remember the basic lessons about steel manufacturing taught them when they began work and in training classes.


    Steel manufacture is a very complicated and very dangerous process. When things go wrong it can’t be just melted again. It turns into slag or trash a complete loss of expensive materials and labor.

    But the satanic supremes who probably never even took high school chemistry decided that a high school dropout moron who couldn’t read or write a memo or subtract 18 from 25 should be a steel mill foreman.

    It was shortly after that decision that the American steel mills moved overseas. Where they could hire and train foremen capable of learning the basics of steel manufacture and to read and write memos.

    The Kaiser decision was a million times worse than Griggs. A power company has plenty of jobs maybe assistant janitor or night watchman for the illiterate 4th grade drop out Griggs.

    But steel mill foreman and each crew is a vitally important part of steel manufacturing and steel worker is incredibly dangerous and low level management on the floor has to be very competent, observe OSHA company and union regulations. And basically keeping his crew not injured and avoiding high workmen’s comp costs and OSHA and local investigations.

    Because of the danger of steel manufacture, it’s not like being foreman of a construction crew or auto repair shop. Workers get killed or heat stroke and 25, 000 pounds of almost steel can turn into worthless slag.

    But the satanic supremes found that any high school dropout illiterate innumerate black who couldn’t understand the basics of steel manufacture should be a foreman in charge of 20 workers and a cauldron of melted iron and chemicals that would cool to steel and not slag.

    It was that decision as much as cheap labor that caused the American steel industry to move overseas.

  65. If society does not place a bad-think block on HBD (as society has done in North America and much of Europe) then ordinary people can figure out HBD principles easily on their own, from common sense observation and very basic knowledge of genetic heritability. Indians do not perform well in the Olympics because they are small, slight, and not particularly fast runners on average, due to genetics. Essentially the same reason that Africans do poorly on average on the Math Olympiad. Indians are not yet prevented by their society from thinking rationally about HBD — except those who emigrate. The emigrants quickly absorb the Western bad-think rules and keep quiet. A middle class Indian with a high school education understands correctly that Indians do not perform well in the Olympics and Africans do not perform well in school (on average) due to genetic differences. This average high-school graduate Indian has a more accurate understanding of the social role of genetics than do many full professors in US universities.

  66. OT – the Guardian does love a good environment scare story. In February the same researchers reported Atlantic circulation was weakening.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/05/climate-crisis-scientists-spot-warning-signs-of-gulf-stream-collapse

    Climate scientists have detected warning signs of the collapse of the Gulf Stream, one of the planet’s main potential tipping points.

    The research found “an almost complete loss of stability over the last century” of the currents that researchers call the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC). The currents are already at their slowest point in at least 1,600 years, but the new analysis shows it may be nearing a shutdown.

    Such an event would have catastrophic consequences around the world, severely disrupting the monsoons that billions of people depend on for food in India, South America and West Africa; increasing storms and lowering temperatures in Europe; and pushing up the sea level in the eastern US. It would also further endanger the Amazon rainforest and Antarctic ice sheets.

    The complexity of the AMOC system and uncertainty over levels of future global heating make it impossible to forecast the date of any collapse for now. It could be within a decade or two, or several centuries away. But the colossal impact it would have means it cannot ever be allowed to happen, the scientists said.

    “The signs of destabilisation being visible already is something that I wouldn’t have expected and that I find scary,” said Niklas Boers, from the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany, who did the research. “It’s something you just can’t [allow to] happen.”

    Not sure how we could stop it – big turbine pumps maintaining the current artificially sounds impossible given the tonnages of water involved – but the the idea that disruption of the Gulf Stream circulation would not be good for the UK is quite old. London is on the same latitude as Winnipeg, which has pretty cold winters, and Shetland is on the level of Hudson Bay and Alaska.

    Ocean currents,” said Alexandrov. “I don’t understand,” said the Prime Minister.

    What I imagine Alexis means,” Kingsley remarked, “is that there is no certainty that the present pattern of ocean currents will be maintained. If it isn’t, the effects might be completely disastrous. And this might happen quite quickly, quicker than an Ice Age.

    You said it,” nodded Alexandrov. “Gulf Stream go, gets bloody cold.

    The Prime Minister felt he had heard enough.

    1957, The Black Cloud, Sir Fred Hoyle (who first described the stellar nucleosynthesis process)

    https://epdf.pub/the-black-cloud.html

  67. anon[345] • Disclaimer says:

    The real measure of a country’s athleticism is not how many medals they won but how many medals per capita.

    As of today, India has 5 medals in Tokyo. With a population of 1.38B, that means they have 1 medal for every 276 million people, really quite pathetic.

    The top 5 countries by total medal count aren’t so impressive either on a per capita basis:
    1. USA: 91 medals total, 331m people (1 medal per 3.6m)
    2. China: 74 medals total, 1.44B people (1 medal per 19m)
    3. ROC: 58 medals, 146m people (1 medal per 2.5m)
    4. GBR: 51 medals, 68m (1 medal per 1.3m)
    5. JPN: 46 medals, 126m (1 medal per 2.7m)

    Compare that to the top 10 countries that have done best on a per capita basis:
    1. New Zealand: 19 medals, 4.8m (1 medal per 253k)
    2. Jamaica: 7 for 3m (1 per 423k)
    3. Croatia: 8 for 4.1m (1 per 513k)
    4. Slovenia: 4 for 2m (1 per 520k)
    5. Georgia: 7 for 4m (1 per 570k)
    6. Australia: 41 for 25m (1 per 622k)
    7. Hungary: 15 for 9.6m (1 per 644k)
    8. Netherlands: 26 for 17m (1 per 659k)
    9. Switzerland: 12 for 8.6m (1 per 721k)
    10. Denmark: 8 for 5.8m (1 per 724k)

    Of course, if you do this calculation for the Winter Games, the Northern European countries would dominate. If you combine both games, I think the Northern European countries, especially the Scandinavian countries, are the true jock nations. The Vikings are the modern day Spartans.

    The top 5 most pathetic countries are:
    1. India: 1 medal per 276m
    2. Nigeria: 1 per 103m
    3. Indonesia: 1 per 54m
    4. Argentina: 1 per 45m
    5. Mexico: 1 per 43m

    But they still do better than all those countries that won no medals of course, esp. Pakistan (220m) and Bangladesh (165m).

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    @anon

    For once it pains me to see HBD writ large (New Zealand: #1 where it matters, i.e., in per-capita terms).

    We Kiwis're trying as hard as we can to make the rest of the Euromutts believe that NZ doesn't exist ... so that we don't get inundated with Yanks once they've done fucking up their own backyard.

    We keep undermining our own subterfuge... and beating Australia's convict-spawn Euromutts. (We don't need to express Rugby World Cups - or Bledisloes - in per-capita terms though).

    , @Rohirrimborn
    @anon

    The Olympics are an unreliable measure of a country's athletic prowess. The USA has plenty of Olympic caliber athletes who aren't competing because of the limits put on participants from each nation. Our selection process often results in the world's best athletes not competing. Donovan Brazier is a case in point this year. The US States are often larger and with a greater population than European nations. If each US State was allowed to field it own Olympic team then the american medal count would be much much higher.

  68. OT You probably knew the Democrat’s gigantic nonsense poem was stupid and bad, but you might not have known how stupid and how bad: “per-mile” automobile movement tax.
    Also, France is moving forward with excluding the unvaxxed from society, everyone but politicians and police must either get the shot or be suspended without pay (but not fired) from their job. Expect fun Saturday.

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  69. Anon[368] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai
    Since most Olympic sports aren't professional, it's a matter of living near the best facilities for the sport. This has some added benefit in that it's not just people from the capital but people who live near the facilities that tend to become good enough to represent countries. I personally think this development is wrong and robs the sports of their authenticity since it's not a matter as much of tradition, some countries can just buy success like the UK did with the velodrome facilities it built only for the Olympics in 2012 but which allow it to field a powerful force in Olympic cycling despite it having a much weaker tradition of indoor cycling compared to other countries. There is an international development centre in Germany which has started to break up the European and affluent Asian flags at least in individual velodrome events. But that has nothing to do with those athletes countries of origin.

    So many athletes who represent their country live elsewhere to be near the best trainers and facilities,. This also helps to keep them younger since it's easier to go to a university in another country without it causing too much disruption to life. An example of an Indian athlete doing quite well in this is Fouaad Mirza who did quite well at dressage but who, unsurprisingly trains and lives abroad in Germany. (And needless to say, his horse is not Indian bred either)

    https://olympics.com/en/news/tokyo-2020-olympics-indian-equestrian-fouaad-mirza-dressage-results

    So India has a lot of things going against it. In sports where it does have a good tradition, it should simply spend more money, such as wrestling and weight lifting. Otherwise there is a big bias against rich Indians going into sports as opposed to academics and poor Indians are so marginalised they can't really, not at amateur level. This same pattern exists in Western countries where Indians have lived for many generations, there is a prejudice against sports along with poor diet. (You see a lot of chubby Indian and Pakistani kids not a lot of athletic ones)

    Replies: @peterike, @Anon, @showmethereal, @John Johnson

    This is true. Swimmers congregate around a few coaches in the US and Australia; figure skaters in the US, Canada, and Russia; kayakers in Norway; table tennis in China (where they can play on professional teams). China at great expense hired Japan’s synchronized swimming infrastructure away for a decade, clueing in coaches that they are worth more than they think when national prestige is factored in.

  70. @Jack D
    @Desiderius

    West draws a lot of parallels between the late stage USSR and the US today (declining birth rate, increasing death rate due to alcohol and drug consumption, rigid ideological conformity, ethnic set-asides, etc.) which are not wrong.

    He also introduces a bizarre and off topic plug for immigration:


    When your migrant neighbour gets rich — and even richer than you — not only will it not harm you but you may well benefit.
     
    Maybe yes and maybe no. The Indian doctor who lives in the big house on a big lot next door to me seems to have different ideas than most Americans about the necessity of grass cutting and other landscape maintenance. Not only have I not benefitted from this immigrant diversity but I would say that the mosquitos that grow in his yard have in fact harmed me. And I've noticed that the roads are more crowded than they used to be (and Indians ain't such hot drivers) and that it's harder for my kids to get into a good university and get a good job, etc. so whatever "benefits" there are (I'll admit that it's easier to get a good biryani nowadays) are not entirely unalloyed.

    Replies: @uman, @Henry's Cat, @John Johnson, @Anonymous

    He also introduces a bizarre and off topic plug for immigration:

    The Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union also had a certain stimulating effect.

  71. @Buffalo Joe
    @Jack D

    Jack, nicely stated but the poor in this country don't suffer from our space program and no place in America resembles the hell holes of Calcutta or the favelas of Rio.

    Replies: @D. K., @Paperback Writer

    Well . . .

    • Replies: @additionalMike
    @D. K.

    For you non-New Yorkers: those are some junkies nodding out. They'll stand in those weird postures for as long as the dose lasts, nearly falling, then recovering, over and over again. The black girl appears to be on some speedy mood-enhancer (is crack still a thing?)
    A sad sight. They are getting what they want: oblivion.

    Replies: @anon, @Reg Cæsar, @al gore rhythms

    , @Truth
    @D. K.

    ...And it looked like 89% of them were Honkees.

    Replies: @D. K.

    , @epebble
    @D. K.

    My son traveled to Philly in 2014 to visit Temple University. He was so shocked by the experience that he didn't want to talk about it. Now I see what he would have seen and shocked by. At that time, we didn't have such scenes here in Portland. Now, it is not so uncommon.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @D. K., @PaceLaw

    , @prosa123
    @D. K.

    Foremaster Lane in Las Vegas is as bad as or worse than Kensington Avenue in Philadelphia.

    Replies: @D. K.

  72. Freddie Bulsara was a good boxer at school. Strange but true.

    • Thanks: Escher
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Paperback Writer


    Freddie Bulsara was a good boxer at school. Strange but true.

     

    Did Boy George ever spar? He was built for it, and came from a family of boxers. Irish boxers.


    http://forums.shoutcast.com/showthread.php?t=91948

    Brother of Boy George Convicted of Killing Wife


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5a/6a/1b/5a6a1b163f8324a42090eec241d7712a.jpg

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  73. Recently estimated a job for a Sikh . I didn’t end up taking it because of work overload . Two things I noticed though — Sikhs are physically powerful people . Both the guy and his son were strong as hell compared to other Indians . The other thing was that they were willing to do business with non —Indians. The guy who did end up taking the job was a local white dude . It’s surprising that they’re not winning more medals for India since these two traits would seem to lead to Olympic success .

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Waylon 347

    Waylon, the amount of time and energy involved in becoming a world class athlete means you have little or no time left to become a success at anything else.

  74. If the Olympics adopts public defecation and nepotism as sports then that’s a sport that India can dominate and win gold, silver and bronze.

  75. @Jack D
    @PaceLaw


    I think it’s just a cultural thing, from the subcontinent to their diaspora around the world.
     
    It's partly a cultural thing but it's not JUST a cultural thing. Nature reinforces nurture and vice versa. People enjoy doing things that they are naturally good at. If you are a child of Indian extraction in Trinidad and you keep getting your ass kicked in foot races with the black kids, you are not likely to want to pursue running to higher levels of the sport. If OTOH, you are a black kid and the Indian kids keep kicking your ass in the spelling bee, then you are not likely to pursue that further either. Of course there are exceptions:

    https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2021/07/2021-07-09T021958Z_967450510_RC2KGO932GFF_RTRMADP_3_USA-SPELLINGBEE-1200x813.jpg

    Replies: @epebble

    Very true. Indian kids seem focused on Spelling bee, Geography bee and such. Recently, they have started winning Chess. An Indian kid became the youngest Grandmaster recently.

  76. India may yet win gold in the javelin. Neeraj Chopra is in the javelin final after the completing the longest qualifying throw of any competitor at 86.65 meters.

    The javelin is an interesting event. Whereas the shot put athletes are behemoths, the javelin competitors are regular-looking guys.

    Javelin thrower Jan Železný, a pretty ordinary-sized guy, has held the javelin world record for more than 25 years and his record may never be broken. His record of 98.48 meters is nearly 12 meters further than Chopra’s 2021 Olympics best. His dramatic throws look like a supreme triumph of human effort.

    To watch one of the coolest sports videos you will ever see, search for “Jan Železný – Javelin World Record Holder” on YouTube (It won’t let me embed the video).

    • Replies: @Calvin Hobbes
    @DanHessinMD

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GqhqmYjMpE

    , @Calvin Hobbes
    @DanHessinMD

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxmeNRZLhFM

  77. @Arclight
    My impression growing up is that there were a fair number of Indians in my city that were pretty decent at tennis, which is a sport I played competitively until the end of high school - I would play them in tournaments and my high school had a couple on our team. However, while these guys had good hand eye coordination, I don't remember any of them being particularly fleet of foot.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    There was a pretty good Indian player, Vijay Amritraj, in the last years of amateur tennis. But no one since, to my knowledge.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Paperback Writer

    There was a pretty good Indian player, Vijay Amritraj, in the last years of amateur tennis. But no one since, to my knowledge.

    Leander Paes was a very good doubles player on the tour who retired recently. Before Armitraj, Krishnan was a top 20 player in the late 50's, early 60's. Was competitive with Laver, Emerson, Gonzales and the like.

  78. @Buffalo Joe
    @Jack D

    Jack, nicely stated but the poor in this country don't suffer from our space program and no place in America resembles the hell holes of Calcutta or the favelas of Rio.

    Replies: @D. K., @Paperback Writer

    A few years ago, I’d have agreed with this:

    “no place in America resembles the hell holes of Calcutta or the favelas of Rio.”

    Now, I’m not so sure. A lot of America is not merely physically blighted, they are suffering from moral and psychic blight. The slums of India and Brazil at least have people who believe in their customs and traditions. What have we got?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Paperback Writer

    The slums of India and Brazil at least have people who believe in their customs and traditions.

    What customs and traditions are you referring to?

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Paperback Writer

    Paperback, I will stand by my comment. The 'poor' in America are no ways near the level of degradation and squalor that one finds in India or in the favelas of Rio. Find me a city in the USA where raw sewage runs down the streets and some form of government assistance is not available. Find me a city in the USA where Public Education is not available. Now, California, by choice, is allowing people to live on the streets, urinate on the streets, defecate on the streets, dump their immobile RV holding tanks into the storm sewers and have open fires in restricted areas, but that is today's 'wokeness.' Stay safe buddy.

  79. One word: vegetarianism ( or veganism). A diet poor in animal fats and proteins is not good for your health. If you want to raise athletes, give the kids beef and eggs and bacon, and so on, for centuries. Which is the opposite of what Indians have been doing for at least 2.5 K years.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @BB753

    BB, Berkeley has decided that vegan is the way to go and they will be providing vegan meals to those in jails, schools etc.

    Replies: @BB753, @Paperback Writer

    , @John Johnson
    @BB753

    One word: vegetarianism ( or veganism). A diet poor in animal fats and proteins is not good for your health. If you want to raise athletes, give the kids beef and eggs and bacon, and so on, for centuries. Which is the opposite of what Indians have been doing for at least 2.5 K years.

    Africans from starving countries have taken gold in track. In fact most African diets are still carb heavy. The Zulu expansion happened after they learned how to grow corn and then had plenty of men to throw at their enemies.

    Group genetics are real and diet can only go so far.

    The world would be better off accepting this and not engaging in these faux intellectual attempts at trying to deny what is obviously nature.

    WHY AREN'T PYGMIES WINNING THE HIGH JUMP? NYTIMES INVESTIGATES

    Replies: @BB753

    , @rec1man
    @BB753

    Most Indians who win Olympic medals in Boxing and Wrestling are Haryana Jat Hindus ; In North India, the native wrestlers are compulsory vegetarian ; the wrestling pits are held in Hindu temples of Hanuman , where meat is banned ; vs Meat eating Pakistanis, Bangladeshi dont win medals in boxing or wrestling ; Haryana Jat Hindus are about 40% Steppe ( Aryan ) , which is among the highest in India

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  80. India can do like the European and American teams in track and field sports – import Africans and call them Afro-Indians – start competing in sprints and distance races – We do it, France does it, Britain does it – and call them Indian victories.

    • Replies: @CCG
    @Hubbub

    There's no need to import Africans, just give proper nutrition and training to the Siddi community.

    Replies: @Malla

  81. @Rob
    @Buffalo Joe

    Yup. The communists, at least the European ones had, and maybe third world countries have now, a cargo cult view of international athletic competition and high culture. The communists noticed that wealthy, developed countries like England, US, France, and Germany produced enough wealth (and people living off capital and rent) that these countries did well in the Olympics and had ballets and orchestras. The Soviets, not being overly intelligent, and in fairness, not being able to develop with a terrible system, decided that if they won stuff at the Olympics, then they were developed civilized countries, too. Never mind that their amateur athletes were not spoiled rich kids and idle gentry. Their amateurs were selected from the entire population and trained daily, with no control over their lives. Not even the “vitamins” they had to take. Again in fairness, no Eastern bloc citizen had much control over his life.

    I think seriously third world places are usually not nations, so the kleptocrats do not feel any need to rouse “their” people with Olympic gold. Unlike the communists, Zimbabwe’s rich just want to drain the last wealth out of country. They are not trying to convince other nations that the Zimbabwean way is the best. For many Americans, Zimbabweism sells itself!

    The way China is doing is about the best one could hope for. First you develop the economy, then most everyone eats a lot better, so the kids grow up un-stunted. Then you win more gold medals than America. America, a formerly developed nation whose delusional ruling class uses the Olympics to show that Diversity is Our Strength, rather than do anything about the childhood obesity and inactivity problems, or the children don’t have two parents problem. Or the endless hordes from Central America (they ain’t even athletic!) with no end in sight problem. The unaffordable government, now that the factories are gone and the donor class won’t let us tax capital problem…

    We gots probl *Look a gymnast doing a triple Biles flip. America, fuck yeah!*

    Replies: @Jack D

    I agree that the Chinese have done a lot right in the developing the economy/getting everyone enough food to eat dept. but like any other Communist regime they view Olympic gold as something that enhances their national prestige and they have invested a lot of money and resources with the express goal of winning medals. You don’t win 38 golds without an expensive organized effort that is usually regime sponsored. (India illustrates what happens in the absence of such an effort).

    It also wouldn’t surprise me if the Chinese had an organized doping program that is better hidden than the Russian one. Russians have great skills in engaging in shenanigans (their scheme for swapping out urine samples in Sochi was quite clever) but their skills at completely covering their tracks are not as good as they once were with the result that their tricks sometimes backfire on them when they are exposed later on.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
    @Jack D

    The US track and field team were one of the biggest and most efficient dopers. Florence Griffith Joyner and Car Lewis were dopers (she was a huge one) and got away with it...

    Replies: @sb

  82. One crumb of comfort for your Indian readers: Sebastian Coe had an Indian grandparent. Seeing as Coe won 2 Olympic golds, this equates to half a gold for India–a significant improvement on their total.

  83. • Replies: @anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Thanks!

    Was somebody trying to "alarm" us???

    We are very glad to read that Steven Miller is speaking truth to the legal immigration disaster.

    Now we have a hero to follow!! Yay Steven Miller!!!

    Replies: @anon

  84. @Paperback Writer
    @Buffalo Joe

    A few years ago, I'd have agreed with this:

    "no place in America resembles the hell holes of Calcutta or the favelas of Rio."

    Now, I'm not so sure. A lot of America is not merely physically blighted, they are suffering from moral and psychic blight. The slums of India and Brazil at least have people who believe in their customs and traditions. What have we got?

    Replies: @anon, @Buffalo Joe

    The slums of India and Brazil at least have people who believe in their customs and traditions.

    What customs and traditions are you referring to?

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
  85. @D. K.
    @Buffalo Joe

    Well . . .

    https://twitter.com/renaissancezoee/status/1421582040244367360

    Replies: @additionalMike, @Truth, @epebble, @prosa123

    For you non-New Yorkers: those are some junkies nodding out. They’ll stand in those weird postures for as long as the dose lasts, nearly falling, then recovering, over and over again. The black girl appears to be on some speedy mood-enhancer (is crack still a thing?)
    A sad sight. They are getting what they want: oblivion.

    • Replies: @anon
    @additionalMike

    For you non-New Yorkers: those are some junkies nodding out.

    Oh. I was thinking more along the lines of "Casting call for The Walking Dead".

    Then again...

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @additionalMike


    For you non-New Yorkers: those are some junkies nodding out. They’ll stand in those weird postures for as long as the dose lasts, nearly falling, then recovering, over and over again.
     
    Bourbon Street has a classier version of this:


    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/k4HvjjrIlAA/hqdefault.jpg
    , @al gore rhythms
    @additionalMike

    Are you sure? People on heroin normally sit down and nod their heads forward, they don't stand up. I don't know about the drugs market in America, but in Britain we have a kind of synthetic cannabis called 'spice' that makes people do weird zombie-like things like you see in that footage. But I don't know if Spice is a problem in America.

  86. India needs to concentrate on indoor plumbing.

  87. @Snej
    There are very few Indian-American athletes too. Unless you count Spelling Bee Champions

    Replies: @Ganderson, @Truth, @indocon

    RUH Roh! This is almost unfair…

  88. @D. K.
    @Buffalo Joe

    Well . . .

    https://twitter.com/renaissancezoee/status/1421582040244367360

    Replies: @additionalMike, @Truth, @epebble, @prosa123

    …And it looked like 89% of them were Honkees.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Truth

    "…And it looked like 89% of them were Honkees."

    You spelled it wrong-- and that particular slur is not capitalized in English, Ashanti warrior. No wonder you failed to crack 1000 on your S.A.T.!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honky

  89. anon[116] • Disclaimer says:

    Indians (dot not feather) are winning the Gold Medal of Job Stealing

    by sending 1,000’s of cheap H-1B programmers to take over coding and systems analysis shops across the USA.
    With “systemic” help from greedy executives and greedy Wall Street bastards.

    To **** with the **** **** Indians (dot not feather) to hell with f***ing Wall Street – and with every other foreign peoples stealing from Americans.

    • Thanks: Alden
  90. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/jeanguerre/status/1423108453220847617

    Replies: @anon

    Thanks!

    Was somebody trying to “alarm” us???

    We are very glad to read that Steven Miller is speaking truth to the legal immigration disaster.

    Now we have a hero to follow!! Yay Steven Miller!!!

    • Replies: @anon
    @anon

    Stephen Miller was a (((fraud))). The (((media))) made him out to be some kind of anti-immigration hatemonger, but it was just a game that (((they))) play to fool Trump's base. Over the four years he was in office, Trump did not cut any legal immigration other than asylum. Not a single H1B was sent packing, and we took in at least 85,000 more each year, plus unlimited number of Indians who came in on L1, B1 visas, and the Optional Practical Training program that allowed employers to hire foreign graduates tax free, resulting in doubling of OPTs each year while he was in office. Even during the whole of 2020 when the Pandemic was raging and the country was reeling from unemployment, companies like Amazon, Microsoft, Google etc. continued to have thousands of H1B visas approved. He never ended the H1B spousal work visa program as he indicated many times, and Indian women continued to take over all the clerical jobs in our healthcare system and well paid non-technical jobs in the tech industry. Nor did he end the fraud ridden EB5 investor visa that took in 10,000 Chinese for a mere $500k a year -- same amt as Portugal! Even Australia now requires $5m.

    Meanwhile, Miller brought in all the immigration friendly people to DHS, USCIS, while ousting immigration hardliners like Cissna from USCIS, and did all he could to keep real patriot Kris Kobach from becoming head of DHS. In the end, his only significant achievement in legal immigration was cutting asylum from 125k to 25k -- keeping Muslims from coming in, that was his real and only goal. Read this great expose by American Conservative:
    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/stephen-millers-white-house-fiefdom/

    Trump even said in his State of the Union address that he wanted the largest number of people to come in ever, but legally. What good is shutting the back door if you just keep the front door wide open? Both Trump and Miller were liars and swindlers when it came to immigration, going back on all his campaign promises, a total disappointment.

    Replies: @epebble

  91. @PaceLaw
    Isn’t it plausible to posit that Indians just don’t value athletics or physical fitness in any respect? Just look at the Indians in United States. The only extracurricular activity they participate in are spelling bee tournaments. Also, have you ever noticed very many Indians at your local gym/YMCA? I think it’s just a cultural thing, from the subcontinent to their diaspora around the world. And there’s nothing wrong with that. Different people have the right to have different interests. (I will say that it is very strange though that a people that gave the world yoga and the Kama Sutra chooses not to at least credibly compete in gymnastics.)

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Hannah Katz, @Jack D, @rec1man

    Indian families strongly push their kids away from Sports

    We know that less than 0,1% of athletes, musicians etc will make a living- rest will fail

    vs education is a sure shot at middle class life

    In my high school in India, athletes were mocked as losers and nerds socially popular

    Even in cricket, until 30 years ago, lots of Indian team players were brahmins and they all finished their college degree, ( as a financial backup )

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    @rec1man

    Thank you for confirming what I already expected. I just don’t detect much interest in sports in this country, even as casual observers/fans, by the Indian community for the most part. And there’s nothing wrong with that, especially when so many in the Indian community are kicking ass in the scientific and medical fields. I suppose it’s a matter of trade-offs…

    Replies: @John Johnson, @rec1man

  92. die endlosung der india olympics frage ist:

    make street shitting an olympic sport.

  93. @Magic Dirt Resident
    India has a decent wrestling team and they've been improving in the last decade. 57kg Ravi Kumar won a silver medal earlier today and 65kg Bajrang Punia is one of the favorites tomorrow. All four of their Olympic qualifiers are from the Haryana region in NW India, adjacent to Punjab.

    Replies: @rec1man

    All of them are vegetarian Jatt caste

  94. @Kuru
    The state of Haryana (population: 25 million) sends a disproportionate amount of Indian athletes to the Olympics.

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/map-india-olympics-2021.jpg

    Just today, a Haryanvi wrestler got a silver medal in the men's 57kg wrestling, being denied the gold by a Russian from Dagestan.

    You can see the R1b connection if you look closely.

    https://i.imgur.com/uA0tOV7.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/SKJ22Sd.jpg

    Replies: @rec1man

    R1A not R1B ; These are Haryanvi Jats, vegetarian and about 40% Steppe, for comparison, Russians are about 60% R1A Steppe

    • Thanks: Kuru
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @rec1man

    What is the caste breakdown of India's medal winners?

    Replies: @rec1man

  95. @Paperback Writer
    @Buffalo Joe

    A few years ago, I'd have agreed with this:

    "no place in America resembles the hell holes of Calcutta or the favelas of Rio."

    Now, I'm not so sure. A lot of America is not merely physically blighted, they are suffering from moral and psychic blight. The slums of India and Brazil at least have people who believe in their customs and traditions. What have we got?

    Replies: @anon, @Buffalo Joe

    Paperback, I will stand by my comment. The ‘poor’ in America are no ways near the level of degradation and squalor that one finds in India or in the favelas of Rio. Find me a city in the USA where raw sewage runs down the streets and some form of government assistance is not available. Find me a city in the USA where Public Education is not available. Now, California, by choice, is allowing people to live on the streets, urinate on the streets, defecate on the streets, dump their immobile RV holding tanks into the storm sewers and have open fires in restricted areas, but that is today’s ‘wokeness.’ Stay safe buddy.

    • Agree: PaceLaw
  96. @BB753
    One word: vegetarianism ( or veganism). A diet poor in animal fats and proteins is not good for your health. If you want to raise athletes, give the kids beef and eggs and bacon, and so on, for centuries. Which is the opposite of what Indians have been doing for at least 2.5 K years.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @John Johnson, @rec1man

    BB, Berkeley has decided that vegan is the way to go and they will be providing vegan meals to those in jails, schools etc.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Buffalo Joe

    A vegan population is more docile.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Buffalo Joe

    They might have stumbled on an effective and replicable disincentive to crime. Wouldn't that be a hoot?

  97. @Waylon 347
    Recently estimated a job for a Sikh . I didn’t end up taking it because of work overload . Two things I noticed though — Sikhs are physically powerful people . Both the guy and his son were strong as hell compared to other Indians . The other thing was that they were willing to do business with non —Indians. The guy who did end up taking the job was a local white dude . It’s surprising that they’re not winning more medals for India since these two traits would seem to lead to Olympic success .

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Waylon, the amount of time and energy involved in becoming a world class athlete means you have little or no time left to become a success at anything else.

  98. @uman
    @Jack D

    Well ok grass cutting is annoying but not the end of the world.

    But your kids not getting into a good university is your fault not the indian's. Also bad drivers are everywhere but autonomous driving could fix that for all races. And by bad do you mean slow drivers?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Alden

    Bbbut Ed told me that I would BENEFIT, not that I would suffer only relatively minor annoyance. Where’s my benefit?

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  99. There’s more of this kabaddi stuff on YouTube and it’s terrific. There are still too many competing variations with nationalists and culturists pushing them, but there is a “Standard” version and it’s growing fast. The US needs to support the game in a big way — it’s got contact without violence, it excites the fans, it’s exhausting, it hits the sweet spot on number of players (in Standard style it’s seven per team with five in reserve, so it’s easy to get a club together), it’s heavy on cooperation, it features men holding hands (still only in the men’s leagues, but we can fix that archaic restriction), players can range in age from five to whenever, and best of all there’s NO equipment, unless you count the penny-a-yard puzzle mats, and the shoes…

    …oh, yes, the shoes. Well, it’ll be a while before a kabaddi player is a big enough star to sell his line at Sotheby’s (they have a pair of Nike Air Jordan 1 High UNC ‘Carolina Blue’ (1985)s in my size for 20k, but I’m not sure because Prospect Park gets muddy in the fall).

    Hmm, kabaddi shoes… excuse me while I Illustrator up a logo and call a friend in Manila who owns some sweatshops.

  100. @Paperback Writer
    @Arclight

    There was a pretty good Indian player, Vijay Amritraj, in the last years of amateur tennis. But no one since, to my knowledge.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    There was a pretty good Indian player, Vijay Amritraj, in the last years of amateur tennis. But no one since, to my knowledge.

    Leander Paes was a very good doubles player on the tour who retired recently. Before Armitraj, Krishnan was a top 20 player in the late 50’s, early 60’s. Was competitive with Laver, Emerson, Gonzales and the like.

  101. This national prestige business is a load of big government crap.

    I’m reminded of some 1960’s meeting of the (s*-) heads of the industrialized countries. The guys who controlled nuclear arsenals were the big d*’s who held sway. So, the first thing the lesser men did, when they returned home, was to initiate nuclear programs of their own.

    [MORE]

    It also does not impress me how some state legislatures make large, direct appropriations, to their flagship state U, for ‘intercollegiate athletics’ (i.e. football). As if taxpayers really care who’s #1. Meanwhile, boosters claim that football makes money; maybe for the \$1M+ per year head coach and his six figured assistants.

    I’m not following Tokyo. Did the British royal family take home any yachting / equestrian medals this year? I’d like to see some guy from a landlocked country / Camden (did Jessica grew up there?) have a shot at one of those for a change.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Abolish_public_education

    No state legislature makes any appropriation for intercollegiate athletics. Learn how sports works at the college level! At most schools, the Athletic Department is a separate, not-for-profit corporation that organizations sports, owns the trademarks associated with the university, accept donations, and raises money by selling tickets, TV rights, seat licenses, etc. At most schools the Athletic Department loses money and requires a subsidy in the form of student fees from the university to remain solvent.

    The head football coaches to not have a straight salary but have a compensation package put together by the athletic department that includes salary, fees for media appearances, a guarantee on speaking engagement and personal appearances, money from summer camps, and endorsements. ESPN did a great story a few years ago about this. Not a single dollar of tuition or state appropriations goes to paying the coaching staff.

    If one reads Amanda Ripley, the problem in the U.S. is with high school sports because they become a huge distraction from the average student's education. The U.S. is one of a few countries that emphasizes sports in high school.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

  102. @D. K.
    @Buffalo Joe

    Well . . .

    https://twitter.com/renaissancezoee/status/1421582040244367360

    Replies: @additionalMike, @Truth, @epebble, @prosa123

    My son traveled to Philly in 2014 to visit Temple University. He was so shocked by the experience that he didn’t want to talk about it. Now I see what he would have seen and shocked by. At that time, we didn’t have such scenes here in Portland. Now, it is not so uncommon.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @epebble


    My son traveled to Philly in 2014 to visit Temple University. He was so shocked by the experience that he didn’t want to talk about it.
     
    He should have consulted with Andrea Constand first.

    Rice has a better class of Owl:


    To the Point - Robert Stein

    To the Point - Niels Nielsen

    To the Point - Meredith Skura
    , @D. K.
    @epebble

    I lived in the western suburbs, about ten miles from downtown, for several years, and I hated having to go into the city. I found it very depressing, compared to New York, L.A., Seattle, New Orleans, and the other big cities in which I once lived. (Granted, it was not as bad as my birthplace-- Gary-- had long since devolved into being; but, I found Philadelphia much more depressing than Gary was, back when I was a boy there.) I have a niece who lives about a ten-minute walk from Philadelphia City Hall, and I worry about her safety there. (She is the type who would probably blame "White Supremacy" for anything untoward that happened to her, in that regard.)

    , @PaceLaw
    @epebble

    I used to live in Philly (in the late 90s) and traveled back there recently last year. I did see the Temple campus and it looks VERY nice. Apparently the university has bought up quite a number of blocks around the campus and it looks totally transformed. It does not look like the shit-hole that I recalled being North Philadelphia and that your son likely saw 2014.

  103. @additionalMike
    @D. K.

    For you non-New Yorkers: those are some junkies nodding out. They'll stand in those weird postures for as long as the dose lasts, nearly falling, then recovering, over and over again. The black girl appears to be on some speedy mood-enhancer (is crack still a thing?)
    A sad sight. They are getting what they want: oblivion.

    Replies: @anon, @Reg Cæsar, @al gore rhythms

    For you non-New Yorkers: those are some junkies nodding out.

    Oh. I was thinking more along the lines of “Casting call for The Walking Dead”.

    Then again…

  104. @Hodag
    My wife gets offended when I talk about steroids and genes/breeding and athletics.

    Yesterday she said she read an article about the top US woman high jumper. The father of the high jumper? Randall Cunningham. Her mother? A NYC ballerina.

    She also mentioned that Cunningham is her coach. And her training is mostly for explosiveness and only just mps on the pit every few weeks.

    I once met a woman who used to be a Big Ten high jumper. She was tall and also an actual fashion model. No regret not asking her if she could dunk.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Hangnail Hans

    My wife gets offended when I talk about steroids and genes/breeding and athletics.

    I dated a girl who had some crushes on various superhero actors, especially due to their buffness. She would get royally upset—actually angry–when I pointed out that they all got their bodies through heavy steroid use. For some reason, she had this fantasy that somehow some actor who only spent 3 months working out could look like Thor or Superman without juice.

    The father of the high jumper? Randall Cunningham.

    I remember watching Cunningham (an NFL QB) once run the ball on a broken play. When the defender met him at the line of scrimmage and went for a tackle Cunningham jumped so high to vault him that his feet landed on the guy’s helmet as the defender was going for the tackle. So it doesn’t surprise me his offspring would be that good at jumping.

    Cunningham was one of those Great Black Hope quarterbacks whom are long on hype and athleticism but short on most quarterbacking skills. Still, when he got to use his athleticism to run the ball, it was fun. And he did stick around for a while, being a better than average journeyman.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @R.G. Camara

    Cunningham was one of those Great Black Hope quarterbacks whom are long on hype and athleticism but short on most quarterbacking skills. Still, when he got to use his athleticism to run the ball, it was fun.

    When he has Randy Moss to throw to in '98 he was pretty darn good.

    , @duncsbaby
    @R.G. Camara

    He almost took the Vikes all the way to the promised land back in the late 90's if it wasn't for Denny Green's timid coaching in the NFC championship along w/Gary Anderson missing the only field goal he failed to make all season long. Of course they would've been trounced in the Super Bowl but you never know . . .

    In 1998, Anderson signed with the Minnesota Vikings and converted all 35 of his attempted field goals and all 59 extra points in regular season play, becoming the first placekicker to finish the regular season with a 100% success rate on both field goals and extra points. His only miss of the season came in the 1998 NFC Championship Game against the Atlanta Falcons.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Anderson_(placekicker)#Professional_career

    Replies: @Feryl

  105. anon[116] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Thanks!

    Was somebody trying to "alarm" us???

    We are very glad to read that Steven Miller is speaking truth to the legal immigration disaster.

    Now we have a hero to follow!! Yay Steven Miller!!!

    Replies: @anon

    Stephen Miller was a (((fraud))). The (((media))) made him out to be some kind of anti-immigration hatemonger, but it was just a game that (((they))) play to fool Trump’s base. Over the four years he was in office, Trump did not cut any legal immigration other than asylum. Not a single H1B was sent packing, and we took in at least 85,000 more each year, plus unlimited number of Indians who came in on L1, B1 visas, and the Optional Practical Training program that allowed employers to hire foreign graduates tax free, resulting in doubling of OPTs each year while he was in office. Even during the whole of 2020 when the Pandemic was raging and the country was reeling from unemployment, companies like Amazon, Microsoft, Google etc. continued to have thousands of H1B visas approved. He never ended the H1B spousal work visa program as he indicated many times, and Indian women continued to take over all the clerical jobs in our healthcare system and well paid non-technical jobs in the tech industry. Nor did he end the fraud ridden EB5 investor visa that took in 10,000 Chinese for a mere \$500k a year — same amt as Portugal! Even Australia now requires \$5m.

    Meanwhile, Miller brought in all the immigration friendly people to DHS, USCIS, while ousting immigration hardliners like Cissna from USCIS, and did all he could to keep real patriot Kris Kobach from becoming head of DHS. In the end, his only significant achievement in legal immigration was cutting asylum from 125k to 25k — keeping Muslims from coming in, that was his real and only goal. Read this great expose by American Conservative:
    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/stephen-millers-white-house-fiefdom/

    Trump even said in his State of the Union address that he wanted the largest number of people to come in ever, but legally. What good is shutting the back door if you just keep the front door wide open? Both Trump and Miller were liars and swindlers when it came to immigration, going back on all his campaign promises, a total disappointment.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @anon

    Trump couldn't have done any of those things you wished without legislation by Congress. But, he did the next best thing he could. By mid 2020, all the embassy/consulates had shutdown and no visas of any kind are being issued (In fact, even the passport office is pretty much shutdown. If you apply now, you may have to wait till Spring 2022 to get a passport). That and travel restrictions have effectively ended All kinds of foreigners visiting our shores (And us going abroad too). At least in this regard, Biden is faithfully extending the passport/visa/travel bans.

  106. The government has overhauled an athletic system that was once underfunded and corrupt…

    So now it’s overfunded and corrupt? Like ours?

    (Don’t even try to tell us our athletic system isn’t funded by the government.)

  107. @additionalMike
    @D. K.

    For you non-New Yorkers: those are some junkies nodding out. They'll stand in those weird postures for as long as the dose lasts, nearly falling, then recovering, over and over again. The black girl appears to be on some speedy mood-enhancer (is crack still a thing?)
    A sad sight. They are getting what they want: oblivion.

    Replies: @anon, @Reg Cæsar, @al gore rhythms

    For you non-New Yorkers: those are some junkies nodding out. They’ll stand in those weird postures for as long as the dose lasts, nearly falling, then recovering, over and over again.

    Bourbon Street has a classier version of this:

  108. @epebble
    @D. K.

    My son traveled to Philly in 2014 to visit Temple University. He was so shocked by the experience that he didn't want to talk about it. Now I see what he would have seen and shocked by. At that time, we didn't have such scenes here in Portland. Now, it is not so uncommon.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @D. K., @PaceLaw

    My son traveled to Philly in 2014 to visit Temple University. He was so shocked by the experience that he didn’t want to talk about it.

    He should have consulted with Andrea Constand first.

    Rice has a better class of Owl:

    To the Point – Robert Stein

    To the Point – Niels Nielsen

    To the Point – Meredith Skura

    • Thanks: epebble
  109. @Abolish_public_education
    This national prestige business is a load of big government crap.

    I'm reminded of some 1960's meeting of the (s*-) heads of the industrialized countries. The guys who controlled nuclear arsenals were the big d*'s who held sway. So, the first thing the lesser men did, when they returned home, was to initiate nuclear programs of their own.

    It also does not impress me how some state legislatures make large, direct appropriations, to their flagship state U, for 'intercollegiate athletics' (i.e. football). As if taxpayers really care who's #1. Meanwhile, boosters claim that football makes money; maybe for the $1M+ per year head coach and his six figured assistants.

    I'm not following Tokyo. Did the British royal family take home any yachting / equestrian medals this year? I'd like to see some guy from a landlocked country / Camden (did Jessica grew up there?) have a shot at one of those for a change.

    Replies: @guest007

    No state legislature makes any appropriation for intercollegiate athletics. Learn how sports works at the college level! At most schools, the Athletic Department is a separate, not-for-profit corporation that organizations sports, owns the trademarks associated with the university, accept donations, and raises money by selling tickets, TV rights, seat licenses, etc. At most schools the Athletic Department loses money and requires a subsidy in the form of student fees from the university to remain solvent.

    The head football coaches to not have a straight salary but have a compensation package put together by the athletic department that includes salary, fees for media appearances, a guarantee on speaking engagement and personal appearances, money from summer camps, and endorsements. ESPN did a great story a few years ago about this. Not a single dollar of tuition or state appropriations goes to paying the coaching staff.

    If one reads Amanda Ripley, the problem in the U.S. is with high school sports because they become a huge distraction from the average student’s education. The U.S. is one of a few countries that emphasizes sports in high school.

    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @guest007

    My ex-state made significant, direct appropriations, i.e. written in the state budget, to [football] every year. (I haven't looked in a while, but I'm sure it's still an item.) So WTH are you talking about?

    It's true. Many ADs are set up as independent fiefdoms. It's a disgrace. The darn football boosters control the whole, frick'n college. From top to bottom.

    Also, it's outrageous how the ADs are allowed to keep all the money they make from TV, merchandising, parking, etc. Then the ADs use that money to pay huge compensation packages to their staffs, build palatial facilities, etc. All that $ should revert to the TAXPAYERS (though big, college sports should not exist in the first place).

    It's just a legalistic, accounting gimmick to say that the coaches aren't getting their money from the taxpayers. The legislature could vote to grab every cent of athletic revenues and then dividend the money to taxpayers, if it wanted to.

    ESPN must bid billions for college football, broadcasting rights. There's a credible source.

    If we a_p_e, high school sports will go with it. Great, but what does that have to do with diversionary, corrupting, college sports? (Public high schools will still suck, even without football.)

    Replies: @guest007

  110. @El Dato
    @Desiderius


    Wall St. bankrolled the Bolsheviks
     
    They did? I thought they bankrolled Nazis. It's hard ot keep track.

    and we’re the ones who beat Schiklgruber
     
    No.

    not Antifa
     
    Yes.

    People should beat Antifa.

    The US didn't even truly beat the Japs. China should demand reparations.

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse, @Desiderius

    They bank rolled both International Socialism and National Socialism. More Profit!

    The Intelligence Complex runs both Anti-fa and Proud Boys. Fake Left and Fake Right.

  111. Buffalo Joe — You’re right about the time and energy output in high level sports . And there’s a money aspect to it all as well . Though some North Indians and many Sikhs probably could help India pull in some medals in say Throwing or other Field Events .

  112. @epebble
    @D. K.

    My son traveled to Philly in 2014 to visit Temple University. He was so shocked by the experience that he didn't want to talk about it. Now I see what he would have seen and shocked by. At that time, we didn't have such scenes here in Portland. Now, it is not so uncommon.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @D. K., @PaceLaw

    I lived in the western suburbs, about ten miles from downtown, for several years, and I hated having to go into the city. I found it very depressing, compared to New York, L.A., Seattle, New Orleans, and the other big cities in which I once lived. (Granted, it was not as bad as my birthplace– Gary– had long since devolved into being; but, I found Philadelphia much more depressing than Gary was, back when I was a boy there.) I have a niece who lives about a ten-minute walk from Philadelphia City Hall, and I worry about her safety there. (She is the type who would probably blame “White Supremacy” for anything untoward that happened to her, in that regard.)

  113. @rec1man
    @Kuru

    R1A not R1B ; These are Haryanvi Jats, vegetarian and about 40% Steppe, for comparison, Russians are about 60% R1A Steppe

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    What is the caste breakdown of India’s medal winners?

    • Replies: @rec1man
    @JohnnyWalker123

    1 weight lifting silver by Mongoloid Assamese woman
    1 boxing bronze by Mongoloid Assamese woman
    1 Badminton bronze by Sindhu - upper caste dravidian - 10% Steppe, 35% Onge, 50% Indus Valley
    1 bronze by Indian mens hockey team, lots of Sikhs. 35% Steppe
    1 bronze by Indian womens hockey team, lots of Sikhs, 35% Steppe
    1 Silver wrestling by Haryanvi Jat, 40% Steppe ( R1A ) , vegetarian
    Haryanvi Jats are expected to win a few more boxing and wrestling medals
    1 Silver in Golf is expected for South Indian brahmin, 20% Steppe, 25% Onge , 55% Indus valley
    1 medal in Javelin is expected for Neeraj Chopra, he is Ror caste from Haryana, vegetarian 45% Steppe, the highest Steppe % caste in India ; for comparison, Russians are about 60% Steppe R1A

    Replies: @indocon, @JohnnyWalker123

  114. @Altai
    Since most Olympic sports aren't professional, it's a matter of living near the best facilities for the sport. This has some added benefit in that it's not just people from the capital but people who live near the facilities that tend to become good enough to represent countries. I personally think this development is wrong and robs the sports of their authenticity since it's not a matter as much of tradition, some countries can just buy success like the UK did with the velodrome facilities it built only for the Olympics in 2012 but which allow it to field a powerful force in Olympic cycling despite it having a much weaker tradition of indoor cycling compared to other countries. There is an international development centre in Germany which has started to break up the European and affluent Asian flags at least in individual velodrome events. But that has nothing to do with those athletes countries of origin.

    So many athletes who represent their country live elsewhere to be near the best trainers and facilities,. This also helps to keep them younger since it's easier to go to a university in another country without it causing too much disruption to life. An example of an Indian athlete doing quite well in this is Fouaad Mirza who did quite well at dressage but who, unsurprisingly trains and lives abroad in Germany. (And needless to say, his horse is not Indian bred either)

    https://olympics.com/en/news/tokyo-2020-olympics-indian-equestrian-fouaad-mirza-dressage-results

    So India has a lot of things going against it. In sports where it does have a good tradition, it should simply spend more money, such as wrestling and weight lifting. Otherwise there is a big bias against rich Indians going into sports as opposed to academics and poor Indians are so marginalised they can't really, not at amateur level. This same pattern exists in Western countries where Indians have lived for many generations, there is a prejudice against sports along with poor diet. (You see a lot of chubby Indian and Pakistani kids not a lot of athletic ones)

    Replies: @peterike, @Anon, @showmethereal, @John Johnson

    Sports is all about the money… When people pretend otherwise – it is a disservice. Facilities – nutrition – travel expenses all matter.. You can have all the talent in the world – but if it doesn’t get nurtured – then it won’t reach full potential. You also made good points about training. Sometimes it is even something as mundane as weather. Most of the top golfers and tennis players in the world live in Florida. Why? They can train outdoors the whole winter… Nothing more than that as you can obviously find top notch golf and tennis facilities all around the globe. But relating to facilities – Jamaica is a good example of what you mentioned. Until about 15 years ago – most Jamaican sprinters trained in the US – or represented Great Britain or Canada in sprints. But then Puma and Adidas put big money into training facilities in Jamaica itself as part of sponsorship agreements – and then – bam – the athletes mostly started staying home – leading to their dominance since 2008.

    China is another example of money mattering. China can now simply afford the training and facilities. Not more complicated than that. The discipline was always there…

    • Replies: @Malla
    @showmethereal


    Sports is all about the money… When people pretend otherwise – it is a disservice.
     
    '
    Sure money is an important factor. But it cannot be the only factor.
    For example
    Mongolia:
    Population: 3.3 million
    Per capita income: $4,200
    Medals in Asian Games till date: 162
    Vs
    Oman:
    Population: 4.8 million
    Per capita income: $14,400
    Medals in Asian Games till date: 4

    North Korea:
    Population: 26 million
    Per capita income: $1,300
    Medals in Asian Games till date: 433
    Vs
    Saudi Arabia:
    Population: 34 million
    Per capita income: $23,500
    Medals in Asian Games till date: 61

    Two cases of Arab countries with slightly bigger populations but with far higher per capita incomes than two comparable North East Asian countries but we see pathetic Asian Games medal counts of those two Arab countries compared to the North East Asian countries. Nah, money is not everything.

    Replies: @showmethereal

  115. @DanHessinMD
    India may yet win gold in the javelin. Neeraj Chopra is in the javelin final after the completing the longest qualifying throw of any competitor at 86.65 meters.

    The javelin is an interesting event. Whereas the shot put athletes are behemoths, the javelin competitors are regular-looking guys.

    Javelin thrower Jan Železný, a pretty ordinary-sized guy, has held the javelin world record for more than 25 years and his record may never be broken. His record of 98.48 meters is nearly 12 meters further than Chopra's 2021 Olympics best. His dramatic throws look like a supreme triumph of human effort.

    To watch one of the coolest sports videos you will ever see, search for "Jan Železný - Javelin World Record Holder" on YouTube (It won't let me embed the video).

    Replies: @Calvin Hobbes, @Calvin Hobbes

  116. There should be an event that combines surviving on calorie restriction while in a tropical diseased environment and eating rancid food.

    If the subcontinentals don’t win that, introduce elements into the competition that allows them to con their opposition and defecate into the group water supply.

  117. @Truth
    @D. K.

    ...And it looked like 89% of them were Honkees.

    Replies: @D. K.

    “…And it looked like 89% of them were Honkees.”

    You spelled it wrong– and that particular slur is not capitalized in English, Ashanti warrior. No wonder you failed to crack 1000 on your S.A.T.!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honky

  118. the family court ordered me to see my black child.

    he said, “father. tell me about hitler.”

    and i said, “my child. hitler loved dogs. just like you love dogs. but some people hate dogs. those people lie about hitler.”

    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    Reply

  119. @Paperback Writer
    Freddie Bulsara was a good boxer at school. Strange but true.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/db/3a/42/db3a42efd9c238816435900e5f520691.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Freddie Bulsara was a good boxer at school. Strange but true.

    Did Boy George ever spar? He was built for it, and came from a family of boxers. Irish boxers.

    http://forums.shoutcast.com/showthread.php?t=91948

    Brother of Boy George Convicted of Killing Wife

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Reg Cæsar

    "brother convicted of killing wife"

    Well, that's a problem George will never have!

    (But Freddie did right by Mary.)

  120. @DanHessinMD
    India may yet win gold in the javelin. Neeraj Chopra is in the javelin final after the completing the longest qualifying throw of any competitor at 86.65 meters.

    The javelin is an interesting event. Whereas the shot put athletes are behemoths, the javelin competitors are regular-looking guys.

    Javelin thrower Jan Železný, a pretty ordinary-sized guy, has held the javelin world record for more than 25 years and his record may never be broken. His record of 98.48 meters is nearly 12 meters further than Chopra's 2021 Olympics best. His dramatic throws look like a supreme triumph of human effort.

    To watch one of the coolest sports videos you will ever see, search for "Jan Železný - Javelin World Record Holder" on YouTube (It won't let me embed the video).

    Replies: @Calvin Hobbes, @Calvin Hobbes

  121. @Snej
    There are very few Indian-American athletes too. Unless you count Spelling Bee Champions

    Replies: @Ganderson, @Truth, @indocon

    There are 2 indo-americans who have won medals in the Olympics, albeit both had white moms.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohini_Bhardwaj
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexi_Grewal

    • Replies: @rec1man
    @indocon

    Both are upper caste Punjabis , Bharadwaj is brahmin and Grewal is Jat

  122. @tyrone
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Sorry, Americans don't understand cricket ....and we're not about to....we already have to put up with association football.

    Replies: @Alan D

    NJ Transit Commuter: India would share the medals with Great Britain, Pakistan, Australia and a couple of other countries. I think that they would nearly always get at least a bronze medal.

    Tyrone: I played a lot of cricket, at a low standard, as a child and had plenty of time to learn the rules, which are quite complicated. Expecting Americans and other people not in the British Commonwealth to spend a lot of time learning the rules would be unreasonable, so I don’t think that cricket should become an Olympic event. Soccer is different, and is only about as complicated as most games.

  123. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:

    I recommend Indians focus on Olympic competitive shooting competition.

    Blacks have consistently failed in that discipline so much, they can be actually be racially identified by the description of their crime via the ever reliable “Sailer’s Rule.”

    Put another way, though they are highly overrepresented in gun ownership, there are typically even less negroes practicing at a rifle range than a Saturday morning community beach cleanup.

    https://www.star-telegram.com/news/nation-world/national/article253197928.html

  124. Us dead or the equivalent thereof.

    A wounded lion draws the jackals.

  125. @Triteleia Laxa
    @PaceLaw

    Although gymnastics will make yoga easier, traditionally yoga is not even supposed to be approached as an exercise in physical training.

    Replies: @prosa123

    traditionally yoga is not even supposed to be approached as an exercise in physical training

    Something acknowledged by precisely no one who’s just finished their first-ever yoga session.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @prosa123


    Something acknowledged by precisely no one who’s just finished their first-ever yoga session.
     
    I fell asleep in my first Yin yoga session. There's a lot more to yoga than sweating through 50 Vinyasas in a row.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  126. @prosa123
    @Triteleia Laxa

    traditionally yoga is not even supposed to be approached as an exercise in physical training

    Something acknowledged by precisely no one who's just finished their first-ever yoga session.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Something acknowledged by precisely no one who’s just finished their first-ever yoga session.

    I fell asleep in my first Yin yoga session. There’s a lot more to yoga than sweating through 50 Vinyasas in a row.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Triteleia Laxa


    I fell asleep in my first Yin yoga session. There’s a lot more to yoga than sweating through 50 Vinyasas in a row.
     
    There is a version suited for kids.


    Literally:


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gvj6voiH5S0

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  127. @Reg Cæsar
    @Paperback Writer


    Freddie Bulsara was a good boxer at school. Strange but true.

     

    Did Boy George ever spar? He was built for it, and came from a family of boxers. Irish boxers.


    http://forums.shoutcast.com/showthread.php?t=91948

    Brother of Boy George Convicted of Killing Wife


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5a/6a/1b/5a6a1b163f8324a42090eec241d7712a.jpg

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    “brother convicted of killing wife”

    Well, that’s a problem George will never have!

    (But Freddie did right by Mary.)

  128. At a convenience store, when I buy 5 or 6 items, the Indian guy usually asks if I want a bag. I am tempted to say, “No thanks, I’ll just juggle them on the way to my car.” So, I they would do well at Olympic juggling.

    But there are a lot of Indians around here who own small motels, and they seem to be very friendly and polite, good at hospitality. Maybe there is a hospitality good manners gene and it is at odds with competing. There are so many people in India, all over the place, I think maybe when you’re constantly bumping into people, you have to be very polite; not compete for their space, just say, oops, sorry.

    • LOL: 3g4me
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @SafeNow

    But there are a lot of Indians around here who own small motels, and they seem to be very friendly and polite, good at hospitality. Maybe there is a hospitality good manners gene and it is at odds with competing.

    Brings to mind this Rowan Atkinson gem..



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a-CVGbUUjQ

  129. @Hodag
    My wife gets offended when I talk about steroids and genes/breeding and athletics.

    Yesterday she said she read an article about the top US woman high jumper. The father of the high jumper? Randall Cunningham. Her mother? A NYC ballerina.

    She also mentioned that Cunningham is her coach. And her training is mostly for explosiveness and only just mps on the pit every few weeks.

    I once met a woman who used to be a Big Ten high jumper. She was tall and also an actual fashion model. No regret not asking her if she could dunk.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Hangnail Hans

    My wife gets offended when I talk about steroids and genes/breeding and athletics.

    Wives get offended if you talk about anything that contradicts their TV programming.

    Correction: Delete all after “talk”

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Hangnail Hans

    You say that like it's a bad thing. If you're afraid of offending your wife she'll find someone who isn't.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

    , @John Johnson
    @Hangnail Hans

    Wives get offended if you talk about anything that contradicts their TV programming.

    Correction: Delete all after “talk”

    Really? My wife is the opposite. If I didn't ever make irreverent or politically incorrect comments then she would probably get uncomfortable. Establishment serving nice guys bore her to tears. I've always ended up with such women.

  130. @D. K.
    @Buffalo Joe

    Well . . .

    https://twitter.com/renaissancezoee/status/1421582040244367360

    Replies: @additionalMike, @Truth, @epebble, @prosa123

    Foremaster Lane in Las Vegas is as bad as or worse than Kensington Avenue in Philadelphia.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @prosa123

    I used to live in what passes for Las Vegas (Spring Valley), off of West Tropicana, but I have been gone for twenty years. Checking Apple Maps, it looks like Foremaster Lane is further southwest, seemingly in the middle of nowhere!?!

    Replies: @prosa123

  131. @peterike
    @Altai


    You see a lot of chubby Indian and Pakistani kids
     
    Vegetarian diets are carb-heavy and bad for you. Also, Indians love sweet stuff. It's not just the kids who are chubby.

    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0ORRpBlbcvo/VJaYFUW2vlI/AAAAAAAAKpw/U5Bu-94f41s/s1600/10422242_662794727108433_224835727295412027_n.jpg

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @PaceLaw

    Thank God they are making more of these people by the billion. Soon the USA will join all those other countries which are 50% or more Indian.

    USA in the year 2060: half a billion Indians fighting it out with half a billion Africans. I wonder if they’ll make it an Olympic sport.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
    @Hangnail Hans

    India's birth rate is already dropping... As Africa gets wealthier it's birth rate will drop too.

  132. @Anon
    OT

    Hat tip to the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education ( https://www.jbhe.com/2021/08/the-huge-racial-disparity-in-passage-rates-on-the-architect-registration-examination/ ), who manage to ferret out all kinds of data showing that their members should not be in higher education:

    Preface, from Wikipedia:

    In the United States, ... the National Council of Architectural Registration Boards (NCARB) develops and administers national programs for candidates pursuing architectural licensure. Created in 1919, NCARB is a nonprofit organization made up of the architectural licensing boards of the 50 U.S. states....

    All jurisdictions use the Architect Registration Examination (ARE), a series of six exams administered by NCARB that evaluate whether candidates have the necessary knowledge and skills in areas of architecture related to health, safety, and welfare.
     
    So to be an architect in the United States you need to deal with this test.

    Two weeks ago from the NCARB website:

    NCARB Releases Demographic Data on Architecture Licensing and Exam Performance
    https://www.ncarb.org/press/ncarb-releases-demographic-data-architecture-licensing-and-exam-performance

    Until now passage rates by race had not been released.

    https://www.ncarb.org/nbtn2021/examination

    Blacks are scoring massively below whites. Whites quite comfortably outscore Asians. Weirdly, Native Americans are second to whites in everything: There must be only one feather-indian taking the test, and he's really smart (and 1/128th indian).

    The following shows the data in detail. If you go to it from the previous link you have to expand the chart to fill the whole screen or the race labels will not all show.

    https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/ncarb/viz/2021_AREPassRatesbyEthnicDiversity/AREPassRatesbyRaceEthnicity

    I don't know quite what to make of this. It seems like a really demanding test with a passage rate below bar exams. But why are Asians doing so poorly? And that Native American thing? But I'm glad there is, for a while longer at least, a gatekeeper keeping architects honest.

    I remember recently reading a story about a black architect at a decent firm who supposedly brought the firm some business in the form of a commission to design some sort of hip hop museum. The architect quit the firm, and there was some hint of an unwelcoming environment. The architect had not gotten a new architecture job, but had founded a consultancy to help architecture firms become more equitable. I smelled a rat. This was like all the black Harvard law graduates who are no longer practicing law three years after graduation. Digging a little further into this guy's CV I discovered that he wasn't actually a full-blown architect, and that there was a test that lay between him and being an architect. This was probably the test.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

    Asians do poorly because there is a substantial creative aspect to the test. About Amerinds, you can forget it; they’re Elizabeth Warren types.

    Anyway for reasons of Diversity and Inclusion this test will have to be reformed, and after this the engineer’s exams. Bright future ahead.

  133. @guest007
    @Abolish_public_education

    No state legislature makes any appropriation for intercollegiate athletics. Learn how sports works at the college level! At most schools, the Athletic Department is a separate, not-for-profit corporation that organizations sports, owns the trademarks associated with the university, accept donations, and raises money by selling tickets, TV rights, seat licenses, etc. At most schools the Athletic Department loses money and requires a subsidy in the form of student fees from the university to remain solvent.

    The head football coaches to not have a straight salary but have a compensation package put together by the athletic department that includes salary, fees for media appearances, a guarantee on speaking engagement and personal appearances, money from summer camps, and endorsements. ESPN did a great story a few years ago about this. Not a single dollar of tuition or state appropriations goes to paying the coaching staff.

    If one reads Amanda Ripley, the problem in the U.S. is with high school sports because they become a huge distraction from the average student's education. The U.S. is one of a few countries that emphasizes sports in high school.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

    My ex-state made significant, direct appropriations, i.e. written in the state budget, to [football] every year. (I haven’t looked in a while, but I’m sure it’s still an item.) So WTH are you talking about?

    It’s true. Many ADs are set up as independent fiefdoms. It’s a disgrace. The darn football boosters control the whole, frick’n college. From top to bottom.

    Also, it’s outrageous how the ADs are allowed to keep all the money they make from TV, merchandising, parking, etc. Then the ADs use that money to pay huge compensation packages to their staffs, build palatial facilities, etc. All that \$ should revert to the TAXPAYERS (though big, college sports should not exist in the first place).

    It’s just a legalistic, accounting gimmick to say that the coaches aren’t getting their money from the taxpayers. The legislature could vote to grab every cent of athletic revenues and then dividend the money to taxpayers, if it wanted to.

    ESPN must bid billions for college football, broadcasting rights. There’s a credible source.

    If we a_p_e, high school sports will go with it. Great, but what does that have to do with diversionary, corrupting, college sports? (Public high schools will still suck, even without football.)

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Abolish_public_education

    Could you please give the name of the state that appropriated money directly to an athletic department and please give a cite. Vague memories are not cites.

  134. @slumber_j

    There are a million local games around the world like this and hopefully they won’t all get swept away by the soccer-basketball juggernaut that’s making the world blander.
     
    Yes, absolutely. See the Netflix documentary series Home Game for some of these. The first episode, on Florence's calcio storico--"traditional football," an organized brawl that also involves a ball and pits the city's several historic neighborhoods or rioni against each other--is an eye-opener.

    I guess you could call the sport itself an eye-closer, for the players on the receiving end of a haymaker to the face.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Game_(TV_series)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0oi051yj1k

    Replies: @Kratoklastes

    Hornussen, since we’re doing this now. I would watch that before bullshit like yachting, beach volleyball, ribbon-twirling or BMX. Also superior to some wog rabble having a mêlée where the existence of the ball is barely relevant.

    Plus, it’s golf-adjacent – it’s like golf where you hit an ice-hockey puck with a fishing rod, while the opposition tries to block your drive using protest placards.

    The next step for the olympics will be even more bullshit ‘sports’, like competitive XBox and ‘drag races’ (in the RuPaul sense of the term).

  135. @prosa123
    @D. K.

    Foremaster Lane in Las Vegas is as bad as or worse than Kensington Avenue in Philadelphia.

    Replies: @D. K.

    I used to live in what passes for Las Vegas (Spring Valley), off of West Tropicana, but I have been gone for twenty years. Checking Apple Maps, it looks like Foremaster Lane is further southwest, seemingly in the middle of nowhere!?!

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @D. K.

    Foremaster Lane seems to be just a few miles north of the Strip.
    https://youtu.be/BqYAj64yFlc?t=58

    Replies: @epebble, @duncsbaby

  136. @anon
    @anon

    Stephen Miller was a (((fraud))). The (((media))) made him out to be some kind of anti-immigration hatemonger, but it was just a game that (((they))) play to fool Trump's base. Over the four years he was in office, Trump did not cut any legal immigration other than asylum. Not a single H1B was sent packing, and we took in at least 85,000 more each year, plus unlimited number of Indians who came in on L1, B1 visas, and the Optional Practical Training program that allowed employers to hire foreign graduates tax free, resulting in doubling of OPTs each year while he was in office. Even during the whole of 2020 when the Pandemic was raging and the country was reeling from unemployment, companies like Amazon, Microsoft, Google etc. continued to have thousands of H1B visas approved. He never ended the H1B spousal work visa program as he indicated many times, and Indian women continued to take over all the clerical jobs in our healthcare system and well paid non-technical jobs in the tech industry. Nor did he end the fraud ridden EB5 investor visa that took in 10,000 Chinese for a mere $500k a year -- same amt as Portugal! Even Australia now requires $5m.

    Meanwhile, Miller brought in all the immigration friendly people to DHS, USCIS, while ousting immigration hardliners like Cissna from USCIS, and did all he could to keep real patriot Kris Kobach from becoming head of DHS. In the end, his only significant achievement in legal immigration was cutting asylum from 125k to 25k -- keeping Muslims from coming in, that was his real and only goal. Read this great expose by American Conservative:
    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/stephen-millers-white-house-fiefdom/

    Trump even said in his State of the Union address that he wanted the largest number of people to come in ever, but legally. What good is shutting the back door if you just keep the front door wide open? Both Trump and Miller were liars and swindlers when it came to immigration, going back on all his campaign promises, a total disappointment.

    Replies: @epebble

    Trump couldn’t have done any of those things you wished without legislation by Congress. But, he did the next best thing he could. By mid 2020, all the embassy/consulates had shutdown and no visas of any kind are being issued (In fact, even the passport office is pretty much shutdown. If you apply now, you may have to wait till Spring 2022 to get a passport). That and travel restrictions have effectively ended All kinds of foreigners visiting our shores (And us going abroad too). At least in this regard, Biden is faithfully extending the passport/visa/travel bans.

  137. @anon
    The real measure of a country's athleticism is not how many medals they won but how many medals per capita.

    As of today, India has 5 medals in Tokyo. With a population of 1.38B, that means they have 1 medal for every 276 million people, really quite pathetic.

    The top 5 countries by total medal count aren't so impressive either on a per capita basis:
    1. USA: 91 medals total, 331m people (1 medal per 3.6m)
    2. China: 74 medals total, 1.44B people (1 medal per 19m)
    3. ROC: 58 medals, 146m people (1 medal per 2.5m)
    4. GBR: 51 medals, 68m (1 medal per 1.3m)
    5. JPN: 46 medals, 126m (1 medal per 2.7m)

    Compare that to the top 10 countries that have done best on a per capita basis:
    1. New Zealand: 19 medals, 4.8m (1 medal per 253k)
    2. Jamaica: 7 for 3m (1 per 423k)
    3. Croatia: 8 for 4.1m (1 per 513k)
    4. Slovenia: 4 for 2m (1 per 520k)
    5. Georgia: 7 for 4m (1 per 570k)
    6. Australia: 41 for 25m (1 per 622k)
    7. Hungary: 15 for 9.6m (1 per 644k)
    8. Netherlands: 26 for 17m (1 per 659k)
    9. Switzerland: 12 for 8.6m (1 per 721k)
    10. Denmark: 8 for 5.8m (1 per 724k)

    Of course, if you do this calculation for the Winter Games, the Northern European countries would dominate. If you combine both games, I think the Northern European countries, especially the Scandinavian countries, are the true jock nations. The Vikings are the modern day Spartans.

    The top 5 most pathetic countries are:
    1. India: 1 medal per 276m
    2. Nigeria: 1 per 103m
    3. Indonesia: 1 per 54m
    4. Argentina: 1 per 45m
    5. Mexico: 1 per 43m

    But they still do better than all those countries that won no medals of course, esp. Pakistan (220m) and Bangladesh (165m).

    Replies: @Kratoklastes, @Rohirrimborn

    For once it pains me to see HBD writ large (New Zealand: #1 where it matters, i.e., in per-capita terms).

    We Kiwis’re trying as hard as we can to make the rest of the Euromutts believe that NZ doesn’t exist … so that we don’t get inundated with Yanks once they’ve done fucking up their own backyard.

    We keep undermining our own subterfuge… and beating Australia’s convict-spawn Euromutts. (We don’t need to express Rugby World Cups – or Bledisloes – in per-capita terms though).

  138. Somewhat OT, but in your wheelhouse:

    Whitlock definitely understands HBD and is not concerned about getting canceled.

  139. @Buffalo Joe
    @BB753

    BB, Berkeley has decided that vegan is the way to go and they will be providing vegan meals to those in jails, schools etc.

    Replies: @BB753, @Paperback Writer

    A vegan population is more docile.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @BB753


    A vegan population is more docile.
     
    It is?

    Why those abandoning veganism experience 'violent' backlash

    THE CULT OF VIOLENT VEGAN VIGILANTISM

    My experiences facing the extremes of vegan activism



    https://www.biography.com/.image/ar_4:3%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_1200/MTgwMTM4MTc4MDMwNjA5NzUy/river-phoenix.jpg

    Replies: @BB753

  140. @JohnnyWalker123
    @rec1man

    What is the caste breakdown of India's medal winners?

    Replies: @rec1man

    1 weight lifting silver by Mongoloid Assamese woman
    1 boxing bronze by Mongoloid Assamese woman
    1 Badminton bronze by Sindhu – upper caste dravidian – 10% Steppe, 35% Onge, 50% Indus Valley
    1 bronze by Indian mens hockey team, lots of Sikhs. 35% Steppe
    1 bronze by Indian womens hockey team, lots of Sikhs, 35% Steppe
    1 Silver wrestling by Haryanvi Jat, 40% Steppe ( R1A ) , vegetarian
    Haryanvi Jats are expected to win a few more boxing and wrestling medals
    1 Silver in Golf is expected for South Indian brahmin, 20% Steppe, 25% Onge , 55% Indus valley
    1 medal in Javelin is expected for Neeraj Chopra, he is Ror caste from Haryana, vegetarian 45% Steppe, the highest Steppe % caste in India ; for comparison, Russians are about 60% Steppe R1A

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
    • Replies: @indocon
    @rec1man

    The Rors are a fascinating group, they are mostly the descendants of Maratha army that lost to Afghan King Abdali at Panipat battle in 1762, and stayed around in the area. That battle turned out to be extremely pivotal in future course of India.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @rec1man

    Thanks.

  141. @indocon
    @Snej

    There are 2 indo-americans who have won medals in the Olympics, albeit both had white moms.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohini_Bhardwaj
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexi_Grewal

    Replies: @rec1man

    Both are upper caste Punjabis , Bharadwaj is brahmin and Grewal is Jat

  142. @R.G. Camara
    @Hodag


    My wife gets offended when I talk about steroids and genes/breeding and athletics.
     
    I dated a girl who had some crushes on various superhero actors, especially due to their buffness. She would get royally upset---actually angry--when I pointed out that they all got their bodies through heavy steroid use. For some reason, she had this fantasy that somehow some actor who only spent 3 months working out could look like Thor or Superman without juice.

    The father of the high jumper? Randall Cunningham.
     
    I remember watching Cunningham (an NFL QB) once run the ball on a broken play. When the defender met him at the line of scrimmage and went for a tackle Cunningham jumped so high to vault him that his feet landed on the guy's helmet as the defender was going for the tackle. So it doesn't surprise me his offspring would be that good at jumping.

    Cunningham was one of those Great Black Hope quarterbacks whom are long on hype and athleticism but short on most quarterbacking skills. Still, when he got to use his athleticism to run the ball, it was fun. And he did stick around for a while, being a better than average journeyman.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @duncsbaby

    Cunningham was one of those Great Black Hope quarterbacks whom are long on hype and athleticism but short on most quarterbacking skills. Still, when he got to use his athleticism to run the ball, it was fun.

    When he has Randy Moss to throw to in ’98 he was pretty darn good.

    • Agree: duncsbaby
  143. Not coincidentally so is the GAE as it furiously imports as many Brahmins as it can to build it’s own Caste System.

  144. @Hangnail Hans
    @Hodag

    My wife gets offended when I talk about steroids and genes/breeding and athletics.
     

    Wives get offended if you talk about anything that contradicts their TV programming.

    Correction: Delete all after "talk"

    Replies: @Desiderius, @John Johnson

    You say that like it’s a bad thing. If you’re afraid of offending your wife she’ll find someone who isn’t.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @Desiderius

    Who said anyone was afraid?
    Stop projecting.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  145. @SafeNow
    At a convenience store, when I buy 5 or 6 items, the Indian guy usually asks if I want a bag. I am tempted to say, “No thanks, I’ll just juggle them on the way to my car.” So, I they would do well at Olympic juggling.

    But there are a lot of Indians around here who own small motels, and they seem to be very friendly and polite, good at hospitality. Maybe there is a hospitality good manners gene and it is at odds with competing. There are so many people in India, all over the place, I think maybe when you’re constantly bumping into people, you have to be very polite; not compete for their space, just say, oops, sorry.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    But there are a lot of Indians around here who own small motels, and they seem to be very friendly and polite, good at hospitality. Maybe there is a hospitality good manners gene and it is at odds with competing.

    Brings to mind this Rowan Atkinson gem..

    • Thanks: SafeNow
  146. @D. K.
    @prosa123

    I used to live in what passes for Las Vegas (Spring Valley), off of West Tropicana, but I have been gone for twenty years. Checking Apple Maps, it looks like Foremaster Lane is further southwest, seemingly in the middle of nowhere!?!

    Replies: @prosa123

    Foremaster Lane seems to be just a few miles north of the Strip.

    • Thanks: duncsbaby
    • Replies: @epebble
    @prosa123

    Wow, that is rough. How do they survive there in summer? In midsummer, you may get sunstroke in less than an hour in the open. I did not see any shade. Nearly 800 people died here in the Northwest during the recent heatwave.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @duncsbaby
    @prosa123

    Wow the guy who shot that video has got some brass balls for sure. I guess it helps that he's brown skinned, a white guy driving down there would've probably been overwhelmed just on general purpose. Unbelievable what the local government has allowed to happen there. Blocking off the street has in effect made it into a lawless autonomous zone. Crazy.

  147. @Desiderius
    @Hangnail Hans

    You say that like it's a bad thing. If you're afraid of offending your wife she'll find someone who isn't.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

    Who said anyone was afraid?
    Stop projecting.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Hangnail Hans

    You did. If you talking offends your wife it's the weakness that offends her not the content.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

  148. @Hannah Katz
    @PaceLaw

    We see quite a few Indians walking in our neighborhood, some of the women in traditional dress and wearing face masks. Not the fastest walkers. I have also noticed that their kids tend to be skinny but their women tend to be overweight, if not obese. Odd.

    Replies: @PaceLaw

    Even though many Indians are Hindus and don’t eat meat, obesity and heart disease are a big issue for that community. Apparently they are big lovers of all things fried, including fried carbs (fried mashed potatoes) served in carbs (bread). https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/asian-american-heart-disease-risk/2020/11/13/3a6c8f18-236a-11eb-952e-0c475972cfc0_story.html?outputType=ampThanks

  149. @Hank Archer
    I taught snow skiing for 25+ years. It was universally recognized in that profession (which was predominately, but not completely White) that there was something oddly unathletic about Asian Indians.
    This included a seemingly complete unawareness of their bodies, fear to the point of panic at the first sign of sliding or slipping (which is sort of the point of skiing), inability to move body parts separately. poor eye hand coordination, a general limpness to their bodies. Interestingly, the men were usually more hopeless than the women.

    Replies: @jilla2

    Funny, I went skiing with an Indian guy once who I assumed was at least somewhat athletic (was very fit, worked out, lifted weights). Not that I’m a great skier but I’ve never seen such a lack of coordination.

    However, I did know an Indian guy in high school who was a pretty good basketball player. Maybe he was an outlier. I believe he was Hindu, but his last name was a typical Muslim one, so maybe that had something to do with it.

    I’ve got to think the lack of Indian athletic success is at least somewhat cultural. I work with Indians (in India and US) and older ones (40+) seem to have a disdain for physical activity. I don’t know if it’s a caste-related thing, The younger ones (both in India and the US) seem to take physical activity more seriously.

  150. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Zorrothustra

    Fiji's population is almost 50% Indian-descended, and their rugby team (which won the Olympics Sevens gold, beating New Zealand) is AFAIK 100% ethnic Fijian.

    Fiji are great to watch at rugby, a real blend of power, athleticism and sheer joy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCTYt76MFxg

    Replies: @PaceLaw

    I strongly question whether Fijians are of 50% Indian descent. Granted, about half of the island’s population is Indian, but to say that the stock of these elite Fujian rugby players has an Indian component is a bit of an overreach in my estimation.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @PaceLaw

    "I strongly question whether Fijians are of 50% Indian descent. "

    What I meant was that 50% of the population are Indian descended, but the rugby team is 100% ethnic Fijian. Same for their women's team (I'm not mad about women's rugby, as rugby is essentially a game where stereotypical masculine qualities are important, but the Fijianas seem to show the same grace/speed/power qualities).

    I don't think Indians mate very much with Africans or Melanesians, so Fiji is not very mixed (and the race question is prominent in Fiji politics - "who, whom"). I've met a fair few subcontinentals with white partners, but only once met a black woman married to an Indian guy - their daughter was a very striking girl.

    Replies: @sb

  151. @peterike
    @Altai


    You see a lot of chubby Indian and Pakistani kids
     
    Vegetarian diets are carb-heavy and bad for you. Also, Indians love sweet stuff. It's not just the kids who are chubby.

    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0ORRpBlbcvo/VJaYFUW2vlI/AAAAAAAAKpw/U5Bu-94f41s/s1600/10422242_662794727108433_224835727295412027_n.jpg

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @PaceLaw

  152. @Altai
    Since most Olympic sports aren't professional, it's a matter of living near the best facilities for the sport. This has some added benefit in that it's not just people from the capital but people who live near the facilities that tend to become good enough to represent countries. I personally think this development is wrong and robs the sports of their authenticity since it's not a matter as much of tradition, some countries can just buy success like the UK did with the velodrome facilities it built only for the Olympics in 2012 but which allow it to field a powerful force in Olympic cycling despite it having a much weaker tradition of indoor cycling compared to other countries. There is an international development centre in Germany which has started to break up the European and affluent Asian flags at least in individual velodrome events. But that has nothing to do with those athletes countries of origin.

    So many athletes who represent their country live elsewhere to be near the best trainers and facilities,. This also helps to keep them younger since it's easier to go to a university in another country without it causing too much disruption to life. An example of an Indian athlete doing quite well in this is Fouaad Mirza who did quite well at dressage but who, unsurprisingly trains and lives abroad in Germany. (And needless to say, his horse is not Indian bred either)

    https://olympics.com/en/news/tokyo-2020-olympics-indian-equestrian-fouaad-mirza-dressage-results

    So India has a lot of things going against it. In sports where it does have a good tradition, it should simply spend more money, such as wrestling and weight lifting. Otherwise there is a big bias against rich Indians going into sports as opposed to academics and poor Indians are so marginalised they can't really, not at amateur level. This same pattern exists in Western countries where Indians have lived for many generations, there is a prejudice against sports along with poor diet. (You see a lot of chubby Indian and Pakistani kids not a lot of athletic ones)

    Replies: @peterike, @Anon, @showmethereal, @John Johnson

    Since most Olympic sports aren’t professional, it’s a matter of living near the best facilities for the sport.

    No it is not that simple.

    Putting a weight center in every village would not lead them to win gold in weightlifting.

    Indians in the US tend not to be athletic even though they get the American high protein diet.

    A billion people and they will also lose to Jamaica in anything related to running.

    This is why the Olympics are kind of dumb. They made more sense when they were intra-European. With global Olympics it’s mostly group genetics on display.

    I really don’t see why people get excited about the Olympics. Maybe they appeal to people that delude themselves about race.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @John Johnson

    I agree.

    When the modern Olympics started it was upper and middle class amateur athletes from European countries competing against each other without any thought of financial profit.

    The recent European and South American soccer championships were certainly just as exciting and rewarding for soccer fans as the tiresome World Cup, and as a bonus there were more finalists and more winners!

    And apart from the problems of the logistics of covid-19, it is much easier for fans to combine trips to the games with vacations.

    , @showmethereal
    @John Johnson

    An Italian team won the men's 4x100.. One athlete was black of the 4 and one was half black. The anchor leg was run by a skinny white Italian and he actually overtook the lead runner to finish first. He couldn't even believe it himself. China came in 4th but set the Asian record at these games - so they were ecstatic. A Brazilian middleweight got a TKO against a Ukrainian boxer who had won over 60 fights in a row. He couldn't even believe it himself and broke down crying.

    That's why people watch the Olympics... To see the unexpected.

    Replies: @BB753

  153. @Hubbub
    India can do like the European and American teams in track and field sports - import Africans and call them Afro-Indians - start competing in sprints and distance races - We do it, France does it, Britain does it - and call them Indian victories.

    Replies: @CCG

    There’s no need to import Africans, just give proper nutrition and training to the Siddi community.

    • Replies: @Malla
    @CCG

    The Indian Government is planning that, training the Siddi (Black Africans in India who are descendants of the Arab Indian ocean Slave trade). Even Pakistan has African blacks like the Makranis or in Karachi who too are descendants of African slaves freed from slavery when the British conquered Sind. Hell there are a few descandants of Black African slaves in Sri Lanka as wll, I was reading long time back an article about them and they were complaining about racism from Sri Lankans, how they are looked down upon etc...

  154. @Hangnail Hans
    @Hodag

    My wife gets offended when I talk about steroids and genes/breeding and athletics.
     

    Wives get offended if you talk about anything that contradicts their TV programming.

    Correction: Delete all after "talk"

    Replies: @Desiderius, @John Johnson

    Wives get offended if you talk about anything that contradicts their TV programming.

    Correction: Delete all after “talk”

    Really? My wife is the opposite. If I didn’t ever make irreverent or politically incorrect comments then she would probably get uncomfortable. Establishment serving nice guys bore her to tears. I’ve always ended up with such women.

  155. Priest, three other men charged in rape and murder of 9-year-old girl

    The Post doesn’t tell us which seminary the “priest” attended, nor his order. Suffice to say this is India.

    Bet this is the first time you’ve seen the phrase “forcibly cremated”:

    9-yr-old Dalit girl ‘gang-raped’ in Delhi and ‘forcibly cremated’, legs & ashes only evidence

    Radhe Shyam, the priest, happens to share his name with a Bollywood film to be released in a few months. That can’t help its prospects, nor can its own scandal:

    Radhe Shyam: Man Who Duped Aspiring Actors Promising A Role With Prabhas Arrested In Mumbai

    (Warning: link contains a thumbnail of Chaz Bono.)

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    @Reg Cæsar

    Hate to say it, but rape does seem to play a prominent role in the Hindu religion. The Hindu male gods are to have gotten awfully rapey with the female gods/mortals. Apparently something about “eve teasing,” or some such . . .

    , @Pharaoh
    @Reg Cæsar

    That picture highlights hindu self-loathing. The hindus used to depict their gods as black, like themselves. Now they are painting them white, like the monkeys in India. Sad...

    Maybe that explains why the Monkey God Hanuman is so popular with modern hindu nationalists? He is naturally white-faced.

    Replies: @Malla, @Malla, @Malla

  156. @rec1man
    @PaceLaw

    Indian families strongly push their kids away from Sports

    We know that less than 0,1% of athletes, musicians etc will make a living- rest will fail

    vs education is a sure shot at middle class life

    In my high school in India, athletes were mocked as losers and nerds socially popular

    Even in cricket, until 30 years ago, lots of Indian team players were brahmins and they all finished their college degree, ( as a financial backup )

    Replies: @PaceLaw

    Thank you for confirming what I already expected. I just don’t detect much interest in sports in this country, even as casual observers/fans, by the Indian community for the most part. And there’s nothing wrong with that, especially when so many in the Indian community are kicking ass in the scientific and medical fields. I suppose it’s a matter of trade-offs…

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @PaceLaw

    And there’s nothing wrong with that, especially when so many in the Indian community are kicking ass in the scientific and medical fields.

    Wonderful.

    Maybe some of those scientists can return and figure out why their country smells like ass.

    , @rec1man
    @PaceLaw

    Mathematically , it makes sense to focus on education, esp STEM, because there is 90% chance of getting into middle class and making a decent living - whereas in Sports and Entertainment , 99.9% will fail and cant make a living and only the very rich can afford to dabble in Sports

  157. @epebble
    @D. K.

    My son traveled to Philly in 2014 to visit Temple University. He was so shocked by the experience that he didn't want to talk about it. Now I see what he would have seen and shocked by. At that time, we didn't have such scenes here in Portland. Now, it is not so uncommon.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @D. K., @PaceLaw

    I used to live in Philly (in the late 90s) and traveled back there recently last year. I did see the Temple campus and it looks VERY nice. Apparently the university has bought up quite a number of blocks around the campus and it looks totally transformed. It does not look like the shit-hole that I recalled being North Philadelphia and that your son likely saw 2014.

  158. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/axios/status/1423256743287656450

    Replies: @Alden

    Translation it was a huge mistake to have so many pictures taken and my name appearing in flight logs and invitation lists to Epstein’s events.

  159. sb says:

    I vaguely recall India playing Australia in the final of the Davis Cup in my childhood
    At that time, at least in Australia ( which was then number One in tennis ), the Davis Cup was the biggest event in tennis

    India would also have been seen as the best soccer country of Asia until some time after WW2

    I think with Independence corruption became rampant in India and this doesn’t exclude sporting bodies .
    We saw this with the Delhi Commonw2010ealth Games in 2010 which was a chance for India to show what they can do . I think the trials are still going on
    I’d say young Indians dream more of being sporting administrators than athletes -it certainly pays better !

    • Replies: @Rohirrimborn
    @sb

    The Indian women's winning 4x400 relay team at the Delhi games was inspirational at the time. Unfortunatley most of the team was later suspended for doping violations.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmYCvd56s7w

  160. @Jack D
    @Desiderius

    West draws a lot of parallels between the late stage USSR and the US today (declining birth rate, increasing death rate due to alcohol and drug consumption, rigid ideological conformity, ethnic set-asides, etc.) which are not wrong.

    He also introduces a bizarre and off topic plug for immigration:


    When your migrant neighbour gets rich — and even richer than you — not only will it not harm you but you may well benefit.
     
    Maybe yes and maybe no. The Indian doctor who lives in the big house on a big lot next door to me seems to have different ideas than most Americans about the necessity of grass cutting and other landscape maintenance. Not only have I not benefitted from this immigrant diversity but I would say that the mosquitos that grow in his yard have in fact harmed me. And I've noticed that the roads are more crowded than they used to be (and Indians ain't such hot drivers) and that it's harder for my kids to get into a good university and get a good job, etc. so whatever "benefits" there are (I'll admit that it's easier to get a good biryani nowadays) are not entirely unalloyed.

    Replies: @uman, @Henry's Cat, @John Johnson, @Anonymous

    The Indian doctor who lives in the big house on a big lot next door to me seems to have different ideas than most Americans about the necessity of grass cutting and other landscape maintenance. Not only have I not benefitted from this immigrant diversity but I would say that the mosquitos that grow in his yard have in fact harmed me.

    1. Put a giant bull skull on your house.

    2. Spray his yard with round-up when he is gone.

  161. @El Dato
    @Desiderius


    Wall St. bankrolled the Bolsheviks
     
    They did? I thought they bankrolled Nazis. It's hard ot keep track.

    and we’re the ones who beat Schiklgruber
     
    No.

    not Antifa
     
    Yes.

    People should beat Antifa.

    The US didn't even truly beat the Japs. China should demand reparations.

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse, @Desiderius

    The inevitability of American manufacturing might is in fact what “won” both ends of the Second Thirty Years War. They stayed out of our Civil War but we didn’t return the favor.

  162. @Triteleia Laxa
    @prosa123


    Something acknowledged by precisely no one who’s just finished their first-ever yoga session.
     
    I fell asleep in my first Yin yoga session. There's a lot more to yoga than sweating through 50 Vinyasas in a row.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I fell asleep in my first Yin yoga session. There’s a lot more to yoga than sweating through 50 Vinyasas in a row.

    There is a version suited for kids.

    Literally:

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Reg Cæsar

    That's great! I have no laugh reactions left.

  163. @prosa123
    @D. K.

    Foremaster Lane seems to be just a few miles north of the Strip.
    https://youtu.be/BqYAj64yFlc?t=58

    Replies: @epebble, @duncsbaby

    Wow, that is rough. How do they survive there in summer? In midsummer, you may get sunstroke in less than an hour in the open. I did not see any shade. Nearly 800 people died here in the Northwest during the recent heatwave.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @epebble

    Survival of the fittest. Anyone who is sensitive to heat and who lives in Las Vegas would have died long ago. The vulnerable in Seattle had not been heat stressed before so the 1st time that they were, they dropped en masse.

    The other thing is that there is air conditioning wherever you go in Las Vegas. In some places, even outdoors they have foggers going. A lot of the people who died in the NW did not have air conditioning in their homes. An unairconditioned house can be hotter indoors than it is outdoors, especially upstairs.

  164. Compared to the average East or South-East Asian of similar height, let alone Europeans or Africans, most Indians come across as being puny, with weaker looking limbs.

    Genetics aside, Indians eat the least amount of meat, per capita, of almost any people on Earth, by far.

    The average Indian consumes a tiny fraction of the amount of meat the average American, Chinese, or Japanese person does.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_meat_consumption

    Gandhi spoke about this in his autobiography, quite entertainingly.

    He informed me that many of our teachers were secretly taking meat and wine …

    I was surprised and pained. I asked my friend the reason and he explained it thus: ‘We are a weak people because we do not eat meat. The English are able to rule over us, because they are meat-eaters. You know how hardy I am, and how great a runner too. It is because I am a meat-eater. .

    … Our teachers and other distinguished people who eat meat are no fools. They know its virtues. You should do likewise. There is nothing like trying. Try, and see what strength it gives.’

    I certainly looked feeble-bodied by the side of my brother and this friend. They were both hardier, physically stronger, and more daring. This friend’s exploits cast a spell over me. He could run long distances and extraordinarily fast. He was an adept in high and long jumping. He could put up with any amount of corporal punishment. He would often display his exploits to me and, as one is always dazzled when he sees in others the qualities that he lacks himself, I was dazzled by this friend’s exploits. This was followed by a strong desire to be like him. I could hardly jump or run. Why should not I also be as strong as he?

    Moreover, I was a coward. I used to be haunted by the fear of thieves, ghosts, and serpents. I did not dare to stir out of doors at night. Darkness was a terror to me. It was almost impossible for me to sleep in the dark, as I would imagine ghosts coming from one direction, thieves from another and serpents from a third. I could not therefore bear to sleep without a light in the room. How could I disclose my fears to my wife, no child, but already at the threshold of youth, sleeping by my side? I knew that she had more courage than I, and I felt ashamed of myself. She knew no fear of serpents and ghosts. She could go out anywhere in the dark. My friend knew all these weaknesses of mine. He would tell me that he could hold in his hand live serpents, could defy thieves and did not believe in ghosts.

    And all this was, of course, the result of eating meat.

    A doggerel of the Gujarati poet Narmad was in vogue amongst us schoolboys, as follows:

    Behold the mighty Englishman
    He rules the Indian small,
    Because being a meat-eater
    He is five cubits tall.

    All this had its due effect on me. I was beaten. It began to grow on me that meat-eating was good, that it would make me strong and daring, and that, if the whole county took to meat-eating, the English could be overcome.

    A day was thereupon fixed for beginning the experiment. It had to be conducted in secret …

    • Replies: @Malla
    @PiltdownMan

    Yeah but meat eating Pakistanis hardly do well in Olympics like sports.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @BB753

    , @rec1man
    @PiltdownMan

    https://resize.indiatv.in/resize/newbucket/715_-/2021/08/pjimage-6-1628080763.jpg

    This is Vivek Kumar Dahiya, Olympic Silver Medallists -
    Like lots of Indian boxing, wrestling olympic medal winners, he is a Haryana Jat, vegetarian

    , @Jack D
    @PiltdownMan

    India has such a vast population (with varying phenotypes) that they could still field formidable Olympic teams if they were suitably motivated and organized and trained. You don't send the AVERAGE person to the Olympics, you send selected freaks whose body types are suited for particular sports, as Steve pointed out. Long torsoed swimmers, long legged runners, tall basketball players, short gymnasts, etc. Being puny is actually an advantage in certain sports (Simone Biles is 4'8" tall). When you have a BILLION+ people to choose from, even if a certain phenotype is rare, when applied to such a large # you still end up with a lot of people.

    For example, Australia (population 25 million) is currently 4th in the medal count with 44 while India (pop. 1.2 billion) is #66 with 5. While the average Indian male is short (5'5") and vegetarian, out of India's 1.2 billion people, you could easily find 25 million meat eating giants who would make the average Australian look shrimpy. For example, this guy, who is 7'6"

    https://img.dunyanews.tv/images/userfiles/4D2DB17800000578-0-image-m-72_1528883145489(1).jpg

    Due to its caste system and different religions, there is a lot of endogamous breeding in India resulting in significant differences between various groups. So Sikhs, for example, are known for being tall.

  165. @additionalMike
    @D. K.

    For you non-New Yorkers: those are some junkies nodding out. They'll stand in those weird postures for as long as the dose lasts, nearly falling, then recovering, over and over again. The black girl appears to be on some speedy mood-enhancer (is crack still a thing?)
    A sad sight. They are getting what they want: oblivion.

    Replies: @anon, @Reg Cæsar, @al gore rhythms

    Are you sure? People on heroin normally sit down and nod their heads forward, they don’t stand up. I don’t know about the drugs market in America, but in Britain we have a kind of synthetic cannabis called ‘spice’ that makes people do weird zombie-like things like you see in that footage. But I don’t know if Spice is a problem in America.

  166. @Clemsnman
    I've traveled quite a bit and thought I had seen just about every sport that has ever been televised when I came across Kabbadi one time. WTF? It's like some combo of tag and tackle-the-man-with-the-ball, only there's no ball.
    The guys playing were all very tall and athletic looking, like basketball/volleyball types, though.

    Weird.

    Replies: @Tark Marg

    You haven’t understood the game well.

    Briefly, one team sends a raider to the other team’s court. If the raider touches you and makes it back to his side, you’re out.

    But if the raider is physically subdued by the other team (who outnumber him) then he’s out.

    So both the raider and his opponents need to get close to score but too close or slow and you’re out.

    So there’s a very narrow sweet spot which requires lightning reflexes and great teamwork. That makes it fun to play and see.

  167. @uman
    @Jack D

    Well ok grass cutting is annoying but not the end of the world.

    But your kids not getting into a good university is your fault not the indian's. Also bad drivers are everywhere but autonomous driving could fix that for all races. And by bad do you mean slow drivers?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Alden

    Superbly qualified Whites not getting good jobs and or contracts and White kids not getting into good universities has just 4 causes .

    The 1968 federal affirmative action law, similar laws in every state and one decision of the satanic Supreme Court Griggs VS Duke Power 1971. Kaiser VS Weber 1979 was just a mopping up operation* All these laws ferociously enforced by the federal EEOC, the justice for all but Whites federal department and 50 state FEOCs.

    Where have you been the last 53 years? Not in the USA.

    * Kaiser VS Weber the satanic supremes decreed that it was discriminatory to require a steel mill foreman applicant

    1 have a high school diploma
    2 8th grade reading and writing skills.
    3 basic math to figure out a vacation schedule so that out of a crew of 25 7 would be on vacation and 18 in the crew to keep the unit functioning.
    4 to remember the basic lessons about steel manufacturing taught them when they began work and in training classes.

    Steel manufacture is a very complicated and very dangerous process. When things go wrong it can’t be just melted again. It turns into slag or trash a complete loss of expensive materials and labor.

    But the satanic supremes who probably never even took high school chemistry decided that a high school dropout moron who couldn’t read or write a memo or subtract 18 from 25 should be a steel mill foreman.

    It was shortly after that decision that the American steel mills moved overseas. Where they could hire and train foremen capable of learning the basics of steel manufacture and to read and write memos.

    The Kaiser decision was a million times worse than Griggs. A power company has plenty of jobs maybe assistant janitor or night watchman for the illiterate 4th grade drop out Griggs.

    But steel mill foreman and each crew is a vitally important part of steel manufacturing and steel worker is incredibly dangerous and low level management on the floor has to be very competent, observe OSHA company and union regulations. And basically keeping his crew not injured and avoiding high workmen’s comp costs and OSHA and local investigations.

    Because of the danger of steel manufacture, it’s not like being foreman of a construction crew or auto repair shop. Workers get killed or heat stroke and 25, 000 pounds of almost steel can turn into worthless slag.

    But the satanic supremes found that any high school dropout illiterate innumerate black who couldn’t understand the basics of steel manufacture should be a foreman in charge of 20 workers and a cauldron of melted iron and chemicals that would cool to steel and not slag.

    It was that decision as much as cheap labor that caused the American steel industry to move overseas.

  168. FWIW Indian Aditi Ashok is playing well in women’s golf, in 2nd place (-12) at the end of the 3rd round.

  169. @PiltdownMan
    Compared to the average East or South-East Asian of similar height, let alone Europeans or Africans, most Indians come across as being puny, with weaker looking limbs.

    Genetics aside, Indians eat the least amount of meat, per capita, of almost any people on Earth, by far.

    The average Indian consumes a tiny fraction of the amount of meat the average American, Chinese, or Japanese person does.


    https://i.imgur.com/JGv7qxM.png

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_meat_consumption


    Gandhi spoke about this in his autobiography, quite entertainingly.


    He informed me that many of our teachers were secretly taking meat and wine ...

    I was surprised and pained. I asked my friend the reason and he explained it thus: 'We are a weak people because we do not eat meat. The English are able to rule over us, because they are meat-eaters. You know how hardy I am, and how great a runner too. It is because I am a meat-eater. .

    ... Our teachers and other distinguished people who eat meat are no fools. They know its virtues. You should do likewise. There is nothing like trying. Try, and see what strength it gives.'

    ...

    I certainly looked feeble-bodied by the side of my brother and this friend. They were both hardier, physically stronger, and more daring. This friend's exploits cast a spell over me. He could run long distances and extraordinarily fast. He was an adept in high and long jumping. He could put up with any amount of corporal punishment. He would often display his exploits to me and, as one is always dazzled when he sees in others the qualities that he lacks himself, I was dazzled by this friend's exploits. This was followed by a strong desire to be like him. I could hardly jump or run. Why should not I also be as strong as he?

    Moreover, I was a coward. I used to be haunted by the fear of thieves, ghosts, and serpents. I did not dare to stir out of doors at night. Darkness was a terror to me. It was almost impossible for me to sleep in the dark, as I would imagine ghosts coming from one direction, thieves from another and serpents from a third. I could not therefore bear to sleep without a light in the room. How could I disclose my fears to my wife, no child, but already at the threshold of youth, sleeping by my side? I knew that she had more courage than I, and I felt ashamed of myself. She knew no fear of serpents and ghosts. She could go out anywhere in the dark. My friend knew all these weaknesses of mine. He would tell me that he could hold in his hand live serpents, could defy thieves and did not believe in ghosts.

    And all this was, of course, the result of eating meat.

    A doggerel of the Gujarati poet Narmad was in vogue amongst us schoolboys, as follows:

    Behold the mighty Englishman
    He rules the Indian small,
    Because being a meat-eater
    He is five cubits tall.

    All this had its due effect on me. I was beaten. It began to grow on me that meat-eating was good, that it would make me strong and daring, and that, if the whole county took to meat-eating, the English could be overcome.

    A day was thereupon fixed for beginning the experiment. It had to be conducted in secret ...
     

    Replies: @Malla, @rec1man, @Jack D

    Yeah but meat eating Pakistanis hardly do well in Olympics like sports.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Malla

    What about the Sikhs?

    Replies: @Malla, @rec1man

    , @BB753
    @Malla

    Yeah, but they don't eat bacon!

    Replies: @Malla

  170. @PiltdownMan
    Compared to the average East or South-East Asian of similar height, let alone Europeans or Africans, most Indians come across as being puny, with weaker looking limbs.

    Genetics aside, Indians eat the least amount of meat, per capita, of almost any people on Earth, by far.

    The average Indian consumes a tiny fraction of the amount of meat the average American, Chinese, or Japanese person does.


    https://i.imgur.com/JGv7qxM.png

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_meat_consumption


    Gandhi spoke about this in his autobiography, quite entertainingly.


    He informed me that many of our teachers were secretly taking meat and wine ...

    I was surprised and pained. I asked my friend the reason and he explained it thus: 'We are a weak people because we do not eat meat. The English are able to rule over us, because they are meat-eaters. You know how hardy I am, and how great a runner too. It is because I am a meat-eater. .

    ... Our teachers and other distinguished people who eat meat are no fools. They know its virtues. You should do likewise. There is nothing like trying. Try, and see what strength it gives.'

    ...

    I certainly looked feeble-bodied by the side of my brother and this friend. They were both hardier, physically stronger, and more daring. This friend's exploits cast a spell over me. He could run long distances and extraordinarily fast. He was an adept in high and long jumping. He could put up with any amount of corporal punishment. He would often display his exploits to me and, as one is always dazzled when he sees in others the qualities that he lacks himself, I was dazzled by this friend's exploits. This was followed by a strong desire to be like him. I could hardly jump or run. Why should not I also be as strong as he?

    Moreover, I was a coward. I used to be haunted by the fear of thieves, ghosts, and serpents. I did not dare to stir out of doors at night. Darkness was a terror to me. It was almost impossible for me to sleep in the dark, as I would imagine ghosts coming from one direction, thieves from another and serpents from a third. I could not therefore bear to sleep without a light in the room. How could I disclose my fears to my wife, no child, but already at the threshold of youth, sleeping by my side? I knew that she had more courage than I, and I felt ashamed of myself. She knew no fear of serpents and ghosts. She could go out anywhere in the dark. My friend knew all these weaknesses of mine. He would tell me that he could hold in his hand live serpents, could defy thieves and did not believe in ghosts.

    And all this was, of course, the result of eating meat.

    A doggerel of the Gujarati poet Narmad was in vogue amongst us schoolboys, as follows:

    Behold the mighty Englishman
    He rules the Indian small,
    Because being a meat-eater
    He is five cubits tall.

    All this had its due effect on me. I was beaten. It began to grow on me that meat-eating was good, that it would make me strong and daring, and that, if the whole county took to meat-eating, the English could be overcome.

    A day was thereupon fixed for beginning the experiment. It had to be conducted in secret ...
     

    Replies: @Malla, @rec1man, @Jack D

    This is Vivek Kumar Dahiya, Olympic Silver Medallists –
    Like lots of Indian boxing, wrestling olympic medal winners, he is a Haryana Jat, vegetarian

  171. Obviously cricket and kabaddi need to be added as Olympic events.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @SOL


    Obviously cricket and kabaddi need to be added as Olympic events.
     
    Madonna was into kabaddi for a while, wasn't she? (And is it kabaddi, gabbadi, qabadi, or what?)


    They could always bring back roque, held in the 1904 games. Our entire squad would come from Angelica, N.Y., pop. 869.

    Good luck finding one from another country. Perhaps the Norks could whip up a team on short notice. They have nothing else to do.


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roque_at_the_1904_Summer_Olympics


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Roque_pictogram.svg/150px-Roque_pictogram.svg.png

  172. @Malla
    @PiltdownMan

    Yeah but meat eating Pakistanis hardly do well in Olympics like sports.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @BB753

    What about the Sikhs?

    • Replies: @Malla
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Sikhs tend to be over-represented in athletic competitions/endevours if you see their small population. Have an excellent martial history as well. Highly respected by the Brits for their martial skills.

    , @rec1man
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Indian State of Punjab is about 65% Vegetarian , and Punjab is 60% Sikh, so I expect a large % of Sikhs to also be vegetarian ; esp religious Sikhs ( Amritdhari ) and some Sikh sects like Namdhari

    Replies: @sher singh

  173. I think since Indian subcontinentals are a mix of Australoids, Caucasoids and Mongoloids, the original Australoid natives were some weak ass people. That is why you get more athletic people in the more Caucasoid North West regions of the subcontinent and more Mongoloid North east regions of the subcontinent . More Caucasoid and Mongoloid DNA needed to cancel out the Australoid weakness.
    But what is surprising is that more Caucasoid and meat eating Pakistanis do so bad in Olympic like sports. I do not have many expectations with Bangladeshis and Sri Lankans but Pakistani under performance is surprising.

    Indians do reasonably well in the Asian Games and Commonwealth Games (Ex-British empire). Due to weight of population size, Indians come in the top ten easily.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-time_Asian_Games_medal_table
    All-time Asian Games medal table
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-time_Commonwealth_Games_medal_table
    All-time Commonwealth Games medal table
    However the Common Wealth Games are dominated by the Anglo white countries of Australia, England and Canada and other white Anglo-Celtic countries perform above their population weight like say New Zealand, Wales, Scotland, Ireland etc… Remember unlike the Asian games, blacks from the Caribbean compete in the Commonwealth games, countries like Jamaica, Barbados etc…
    The Asian Games on the other hand are dominated by North East Asian bigwigs of Japan, South Korea and China with North Korea and Taiwan doing reasonably well too. Other North East Asian teams like Hong Kong, Mongolia perform beyond their population weight. Hong Kong of 7 million got more medals than Bangladesh of 120+ million!! Also countries like Kazakhstan would have some Russian White athletes too, which helps a lot.
    However in the Asian games, North East Asians dominate South Asians, South East Asians and Middle Easterners in medals. Arabs perform really bad in Asian games.
    Basically in the Commonwealth Games, Anglo-Celtic Whites genetically dominate and in Asian Games, North East Asians genetically dominate.
    In the Asian Games, after the big three high performing North East Asian countries of Japan, South Korea and China, we get India in all time total medals won with is population size factoring in. Followed by Thailand and Iran.
    Similarly in the Commonwealth Games after the big three high performing Anglo White countries of England, Australia and Canada, we get India in all time total medals won with is population size factoring in. Followed by White countries like New Zealand and South Africa (has Whites in it).
    So after the genetically physically advantaged North East Asians and Anglos Whites, India comes in with its weight of numbers. Surprisingly in both the all time medal tables of Asian Games and Commonwealth Games, India comes in fourth.
    In the Olympics, India faces a triple whammy, not only Indians have to compete both the super performers of both, the Asian Games and Commonwealth Games, like China, Japan, South Korea, Australia, Britian (England, Scotland, Wales etc,… combined), Canada but also the USA, and other European high performers like Germany France, Hungary, Italy and of course Russia. All this squeezes out Indian further in the Olympics and it cannot bring out its weight of population numbers due to such high compatition as it does in the Asian Games and the Commonwealth Games.

    • Replies: @Malla
    @Malla

    Top Ten all time medal winning countries in the Asian Games

    1] China 3,187
    2] Japan 3,054
    3] South Korea 2,235
    4] India 672
    5] Thailand 586
    6] Iran 557
    7] Kazakhstan 557
    8] Taiwan 519
    9] Indonesia 446
    10]North Korea 433

    As I was saying, in the Asian Games, the big three North East Asian countries dominate by a big margin, North East Asians totally dominate South Asians, South East Asians and Middle Easterners among Asians. China = Genetic athletic advantage + population weight, Japan & South Korea=Genetic athletic advantage + decent populations. India comes in fourth due to sheer population weight. North Korea and Taiwan also genetic athletic advantage but smaller, similar talent pools than Japan, S. Korea and China . Indonesia comes up due to population weight. Persians perform far better than Arabs. Thailand does extremely well among South East Asians. Kazakhstan may have White Russian athletes which gives advantage.

    Top Ten all time medal winning countries in the Commonwealth Games

    1] Australia 2416
    2] England 2144
    3] Canada 1555
    4] India 503
    5] New Zealand 657
    6] South Africa 389
    7] Scotland 451
    8] Kenya 237
    9] Nigeria 236
    10] Wales 306

    Again, in the Commonwealth Games, we see Australia, England and Canada absolutely dominate the medal tallies like Japan, South Korea and China in the Asian Games. England/Australia/Canada = Genetic athletic advantage + population weight among whites. They are the three most populous White countries in the Commonwealth games. India again comes in a repectable fourth just like the Asian Games due to sheer population weight. New Zealand, South Africa, Scotland, Wales and Kenya perform well due to Genetic athletic advantage. Nigeria due to sheer population weight, like Indonesia at number 9.
    Scotland, New Zealand and Wales pack a punch beyond their population size due to Genetic athletic advantage in talent pool but lag the big three (England, Canada and Australia) due to smaller populations and thus smaller, similar genetic talent pools. In the Olympics, England, Wales, Scotland & Northern Ireland would combine talent pools to form a single team GB, packing quite a punch.
    In the Olympics, not only India has to face all of these top performers like China, Japan, South Korea, Australia, Great Britain combined, Canada and other good performers, it has to compete against other high performing nations like USA, Russia, Germany, France, Netherlands, Italy, Hungary etc.. Too much competitive squeeze in the Olympics to bring population weight into the picture like it does in the Commonwealth Games and Asian Games.

    Replies: @sb

  174. @rec1man
    @JohnnyWalker123

    1 weight lifting silver by Mongoloid Assamese woman
    1 boxing bronze by Mongoloid Assamese woman
    1 Badminton bronze by Sindhu - upper caste dravidian - 10% Steppe, 35% Onge, 50% Indus Valley
    1 bronze by Indian mens hockey team, lots of Sikhs. 35% Steppe
    1 bronze by Indian womens hockey team, lots of Sikhs, 35% Steppe
    1 Silver wrestling by Haryanvi Jat, 40% Steppe ( R1A ) , vegetarian
    Haryanvi Jats are expected to win a few more boxing and wrestling medals
    1 Silver in Golf is expected for South Indian brahmin, 20% Steppe, 25% Onge , 55% Indus valley
    1 medal in Javelin is expected for Neeraj Chopra, he is Ror caste from Haryana, vegetarian 45% Steppe, the highest Steppe % caste in India ; for comparison, Russians are about 60% Steppe R1A

    Replies: @indocon, @JohnnyWalker123

    The Rors are a fascinating group, they are mostly the descendants of Maratha army that lost to Afghan King Abdali at Panipat battle in 1762, and stayed around in the area. That battle turned out to be extremely pivotal in future course of India.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @indocon

    "The Rors are a fascinating group, they are mostly the descendants of Maratha army that lost to Afghan King Abdali at Panipat battle in 1762, and stayed around in the area."

    Not according to this research.

    https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/archive/haryana/rors-have-roots-in-eurasia-research-696480


    “Our study, based on DNA profiling of over 200 persons in Haryana and Pakistan, reveals that Rors have strong genetic similarities with the Pathan and Kalash communities in Pakistan. The study indicates that Rors may have moved from the Swat Valley, a peripheral region of the Indus Valley region, about 1,500 years ago,” said Chaubey, senior author of the report.

    Light skin colour and average height of 6 feet were distinct characteristics of Rors, he said. “Saliva and blood samples of 154 Rors from 11 villages, including Amin, Katalheri, Sataundi and Dhatrath, were collected in 2012. Later, more samples were taken from Pakistan by our collaborators and the analysis were conducted in a state-of-the-art laboratory in Estonia,” he added.
     
  175. @BB753
    One word: vegetarianism ( or veganism). A diet poor in animal fats and proteins is not good for your health. If you want to raise athletes, give the kids beef and eggs and bacon, and so on, for centuries. Which is the opposite of what Indians have been doing for at least 2.5 K years.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @John Johnson, @rec1man

    One word: vegetarianism ( or veganism). A diet poor in animal fats and proteins is not good for your health. If you want to raise athletes, give the kids beef and eggs and bacon, and so on, for centuries. Which is the opposite of what Indians have been doing for at least 2.5 K years.

    Africans from starving countries have taken gold in track. In fact most African diets are still carb heavy. The Zulu expansion happened after they learned how to grow corn and then had plenty of men to throw at their enemies.

    Group genetics are real and diet can only go so far.

    The world would be better off accepting this and not engaging in these faux intellectual attempts at trying to deny what is obviously nature.

    WHY AREN’T PYGMIES WINNING THE HIGH JUMP? NYTIMES INVESTIGATES

    • Replies: @BB753
    @John Johnson

    Well, diet affects evolution. If you've been eating crap for 2.5 k years your population will reflect this fact in terms of health, fitness and build.
    Were Bantus on carbs for 2.500 years before their expansion? They seem to like their roasted pygmies even today, as well as any kind of game available, including bush meat.

  176. @PaceLaw
    @rec1man

    Thank you for confirming what I already expected. I just don’t detect much interest in sports in this country, even as casual observers/fans, by the Indian community for the most part. And there’s nothing wrong with that, especially when so many in the Indian community are kicking ass in the scientific and medical fields. I suppose it’s a matter of trade-offs…

    Replies: @John Johnson, @rec1man

    And there’s nothing wrong with that, especially when so many in the Indian community are kicking ass in the scientific and medical fields.

    Wonderful.

    Maybe some of those scientists can return and figure out why their country smells like ass.

    • Agree: 3g4me
  177. @rec1man
    @JohnnyWalker123

    1 weight lifting silver by Mongoloid Assamese woman
    1 boxing bronze by Mongoloid Assamese woman
    1 Badminton bronze by Sindhu - upper caste dravidian - 10% Steppe, 35% Onge, 50% Indus Valley
    1 bronze by Indian mens hockey team, lots of Sikhs. 35% Steppe
    1 bronze by Indian womens hockey team, lots of Sikhs, 35% Steppe
    1 Silver wrestling by Haryanvi Jat, 40% Steppe ( R1A ) , vegetarian
    Haryanvi Jats are expected to win a few more boxing and wrestling medals
    1 Silver in Golf is expected for South Indian brahmin, 20% Steppe, 25% Onge , 55% Indus valley
    1 medal in Javelin is expected for Neeraj Chopra, he is Ror caste from Haryana, vegetarian 45% Steppe, the highest Steppe % caste in India ; for comparison, Russians are about 60% Steppe R1A

    Replies: @indocon, @JohnnyWalker123

    Thanks.

  178. There are a million local games around the world like this and hopefully they won’t all get swept away by the soccer-basketball juggernaut that’s making the world blander.

    If you’re interested in exploring these, check out Ninh Ly’s YouTube channel. He explains them in his crisp, chipper Lancashire accent. This is his latest:

  179. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Put cricket in the Olympics and India will find a way to win the gold.

    Replies: @tyrone, @Reg Cæsar

    Put cricket in the Olympics and India will find a way to win the gold.

    How many five-day test matches could you squeeze into three weeks?

    • Replies: @jay ritchie
    @Reg Cæsar

    If cricket were added to the olympics they couldnt fit in 5 day test matches. The maximum would be one day - but 20 overs would seem more sensible. I guess it would have to work like rugby where they play rugby 7s - which tends not to have teams of big name players, and soccer where its a variant on an under 21 tournament.

    Would India be favourites? I think Afghanistan and Pakistan have been leading in age group cricket for the last few years. Nepal have been known to do surprisingly well. Not for normal HBD reasons but because the players selected lie about their ages to seem younger.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  180. @SOL
    Obviously cricket and kabaddi need to be added as Olympic events.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Obviously cricket and kabaddi need to be added as Olympic events.

    Madonna was into kabaddi for a while, wasn’t she? (And is it kabaddi, gabbadi, qabadi, or what?)

    They could always bring back roque, held in the 1904 games. Our entire squad would come from Angelica, N.Y., pop. 869.

    Good luck finding one from another country. Perhaps the Norks could whip up a team on short notice. They have nothing else to do.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roque_at_the_1904_Summer_Olympics

  181. The British/ Europeans had observed the physical weakness of South Asians from the moment they came in. And no, they were not happy about it, it was not out of racial spite, they had actually wished it otherwise. This is because they were afraid the Russian Empire in Central Asia would invade the British Empire in South Asia. They expected the Russian Imperial Army to be similarly constituted like the British Indian Imperial Armies. European officers with native sepoys mixed with a proportion of European soldiers. So according to the British planners of that time, the Big Northern European British would equalise the Big burly Northern European Russians physically but the British Viceroys were afraid that the Central Asians in the Russian Imperial Army would end up clobbering the physically weaker South Asians in the British Imperial Armies if the armies of both these Empires were to clash with each other. After all, Central Asia was the old source of invaders and conquerors to the Indian subcontinent where waves upon waves of warlike pastoralist Central Asian invaders (Mughals, Turks, White Huns, Kushanas, Scythians, Khambojas etc.. and of course the Aryans) who became elites would end up getting genetically absorbed by the physically weaker but more numerous South Asian agricultural underclass population with time.
    That is why most of the Martial Races in the British Indian Empire were mostly from Caucasoid heavy North West region (Pathans, Sikhs, Jats etc…) and Mongoloid heavy North East region ( Gurkhas of Nepal). The only exceptions from the interior were the Rajputs of primarily Rajastan state and Marathas of primarily Maharashtra state. Rajputs were tough because of the desert climate they were used to and Marathas because of the mountainous terrain of their native lands.

    • Replies: @Malla
    @Malla

    Lord William Bentinck, Viceroy of India wrote about the Russian Central Asian Empire’s threat to the British Indian Empire.
    “The capability of the native army to meet it, and the manner in which the native military means of India can be turned to the greatest advantage, are subjects of the first magnitude. As far as experience can teach us, the prospect is discouraging as to any great degree of direct and positive assistance in the field, that is in actual conflict, to be expected from the Indian sepoy in a contest with the stronger and bolder races of Central Asia, with or without the co-operation of a Russian force.
    Mr. Holt Mackenzie has given an opinion upon the question before us, which quite coincides with my view of it : —
    4 My impression is that as far as regards any Indian enemy the native army may be considered to be very efficient. I am not equally confident of this efficiency if placed in any new and unusual position and exposed to encounter enemies that may possibly come upon us from without. I think the result of the war with the Burmese seems to show that when brought against enemies superior in physical strength to those with whom they have been accustomed to contend, and required to surmount obstacles of a different kind from what they have been accustomed to surmount, the native troops, however well led, will be found to want resolution and nervous vigour so as to be inferior to European troops in a degree not ordinarily to be perceived in Indian warfare. Consequently I should apprehend that if they were called upon to meet an European enemy like Russia in the north of India they might fail partly from the want of physical strength and partly from the want of moral energy.”

    Replies: @Malla

  182. @Malla
    The British/ Europeans had observed the physical weakness of South Asians from the moment they came in. And no, they were not happy about it, it was not out of racial spite, they had actually wished it otherwise. This is because they were afraid the Russian Empire in Central Asia would invade the British Empire in South Asia. They expected the Russian Imperial Army to be similarly constituted like the British Indian Imperial Armies. European officers with native sepoys mixed with a proportion of European soldiers. So according to the British planners of that time, the Big Northern European British would equalise the Big burly Northern European Russians physically but the British Viceroys were afraid that the Central Asians in the Russian Imperial Army would end up clobbering the physically weaker South Asians in the British Imperial Armies if the armies of both these Empires were to clash with each other. After all, Central Asia was the old source of invaders and conquerors to the Indian subcontinent where waves upon waves of warlike pastoralist Central Asian invaders (Mughals, Turks, White Huns, Kushanas, Scythians, Khambojas etc.. and of course the Aryans) who became elites would end up getting genetically absorbed by the physically weaker but more numerous South Asian agricultural underclass population with time.
    That is why most of the Martial Races in the British Indian Empire were mostly from Caucasoid heavy North West region (Pathans, Sikhs, Jats etc...) and Mongoloid heavy North East region ( Gurkhas of Nepal). The only exceptions from the interior were the Rajputs of primarily Rajastan state and Marathas of primarily Maharashtra state. Rajputs were tough because of the desert climate they were used to and Marathas because of the mountainous terrain of their native lands.

    Replies: @Malla

    Lord William Bentinck, Viceroy of India wrote about the Russian Central Asian Empire’s threat to the British Indian Empire.
    “The capability of the native army to meet it, and the manner in which the native military means of India can be turned to the greatest advantage, are subjects of the first magnitude. As far as experience can teach us, the prospect is discouraging as to any great degree of direct and positive assistance in the field, that is in actual conflict, to be expected from the Indian sepoy in a contest with the stronger and bolder races of Central Asia, with or without the co-operation of a Russian force.
    Mr. Holt Mackenzie has given an opinion upon the question before us, which quite coincides with my view of it : —
    4 My impression is that as far as regards any Indian enemy the native army may be considered to be very efficient. I am not equally confident of this efficiency if placed in any new and unusual position and exposed to encounter enemies that may possibly come upon us from without. I think the result of the war with the Burmese seems to show that when brought against enemies superior in physical strength to those with whom they have been accustomed to contend, and required to surmount obstacles of a different kind from what they have been accustomed to surmount, the native troops, however well led, will be found to want resolution and nervous vigour so as to be inferior to European troops in a degree not ordinarily to be perceived in Indian warfare. Consequently I should apprehend that if they were called upon to meet an European enemy like Russia in the north of India they might fail partly from the want of physical strength and partly from the want of moral energy.”

    • Replies: @Malla
    @Malla

    Continued further by Lord William Bentinck, Viceroy of India
    The defects of the native of India are a want of physical strength and of moral energy. The first is beyond our remedy. It only depends upon ourselves to raise the latter to a much higher standard.

    The late wars have brought the sepoy in contact with enemies of masculine character, and have shown the justice of the preceding opinion.
    Sir David Ochterlony, in his confidential report to the Government during the Nepal war, has recorded his opinion that the Indian sepoys were unequal to contend with the Gurkhas in the hills.
    The Burmese war was exclusively carried on by British troops. The Madras troops entirely failed. It is understood that Sir Archibald Campbell was strongly prejudiced against them, and when granting the request of their officers to be permitted to lead their men to the attack, he neglected the practice invariably adopted upon all other occasions of joining with them a proportion of European troops. To this their ill-success may be in part owing.
    With respect to the inability of the sepoys to contend with an European enemy, the concurrent opinion of all the evidence, to which may be added the inference to be drawn from all our own conquests in India, seems to be decisive upon the question.

    For my own part I am not quite disposed to come to the same desponding conclusion, because if the bolder and larger man of the north were mixed with a due proportion of Russian troops, and excited to acts of valour by sufficient encouragement, I know not why he should not acquire the same superior bearing as the Portuguese and the Neapolitans under British and French direction. But of the sepoys of the south of India, of those of the territories proper of Madras and Bombay, I entertain no such hope. Their case cannot be more favourably put for them than by supposing them to be Europeans, and to have all the advantages of the European character, and then let it be asked if men of such physical inferiority would be received as recruits in any European army, or if an army so constituted would not be considered perfectly inefficient.

    All these facts and opinions seem to me to establish incontrovertible that a large proportion of European troops is necessary for our security under all circumstances of peace and war. It surprises me to find how little attention was paid by the Committee to one of the most important parts of the inquiry, the relative proportions between the native and European force. But we fortunately possess the opinion of Sir Thomas Munro, the first of authorities, confirmed by another only second to his, that of Colonel John Munro, who filled the office of Quartermaster- General when I was at Madras. The opinions on both these questions are worthy of being noticed. The native troops are in an excellent state of discipline, but of course the Europeans are always superior to the natives.”

  183. @Malla
    @Malla

    Lord William Bentinck, Viceroy of India wrote about the Russian Central Asian Empire’s threat to the British Indian Empire.
    “The capability of the native army to meet it, and the manner in which the native military means of India can be turned to the greatest advantage, are subjects of the first magnitude. As far as experience can teach us, the prospect is discouraging as to any great degree of direct and positive assistance in the field, that is in actual conflict, to be expected from the Indian sepoy in a contest with the stronger and bolder races of Central Asia, with or without the co-operation of a Russian force.
    Mr. Holt Mackenzie has given an opinion upon the question before us, which quite coincides with my view of it : —
    4 My impression is that as far as regards any Indian enemy the native army may be considered to be very efficient. I am not equally confident of this efficiency if placed in any new and unusual position and exposed to encounter enemies that may possibly come upon us from without. I think the result of the war with the Burmese seems to show that when brought against enemies superior in physical strength to those with whom they have been accustomed to contend, and required to surmount obstacles of a different kind from what they have been accustomed to surmount, the native troops, however well led, will be found to want resolution and nervous vigour so as to be inferior to European troops in a degree not ordinarily to be perceived in Indian warfare. Consequently I should apprehend that if they were called upon to meet an European enemy like Russia in the north of India they might fail partly from the want of physical strength and partly from the want of moral energy.”

    Replies: @Malla

    Continued further by Lord William Bentinck, Viceroy of India
    The defects of the native of India are a want of physical strength and of moral energy. The first is beyond our remedy. It only depends upon ourselves to raise the latter to a much higher standard.

    The late wars have brought the sepoy in contact with enemies of masculine character, and have shown the justice of the preceding opinion.
    Sir David Ochterlony, in his confidential report to the Government during the Nepal war, has recorded his opinion that the Indian sepoys were unequal to contend with the Gurkhas in the hills.
    The Burmese war was exclusively carried on by British troops. The Madras troops entirely failed. It is understood that Sir Archibald Campbell was strongly prejudiced against them, and when granting the request of their officers to be permitted to lead their men to the attack, he neglected the practice invariably adopted upon all other occasions of joining with them a proportion of European troops. To this their ill-success may be in part owing.
    With respect to the inability of the sepoys to contend with an European enemy, the concurrent opinion of all the evidence, to which may be added the inference to be drawn from all our own conquests in India, seems to be decisive upon the question.

    For my own part I am not quite disposed to come to the same desponding conclusion, because if the bolder and larger man of the north were mixed with a due proportion of Russian troops, and excited to acts of valour by sufficient encouragement, I know not why he should not acquire the same superior bearing as the Portuguese and the Neapolitans under British and French direction. But of the sepoys of the south of India, of those of the territories proper of Madras and Bombay, I entertain no such hope. Their case cannot be more favourably put for them than by supposing them to be Europeans, and to have all the advantages of the European character, and then let it be asked if men of such physical inferiority would be received as recruits in any European army, or if an army so constituted would not be considered perfectly inefficient.

    All these facts and opinions seem to me to establish incontrovertible that a large proportion of European troops is necessary for our security under all circumstances of peace and war. It surprises me to find how little attention was paid by the Committee to one of the most important parts of the inquiry, the relative proportions between the native and European force. But we fortunately possess the opinion of Sir Thomas Munro, the first of authorities, confirmed by another only second to his, that of Colonel John Munro, who filled the office of Quartermaster- General when I was at Madras. The opinions on both these questions are worthy of being noticed. The native troops are in an excellent state of discipline, but of course the Europeans are always superior to the natives.”

  184. @PaceLaw
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I strongly question whether Fijians are of 50% Indian descent. Granted, about half of the island’s population is Indian, but to say that the stock of these elite Fujian rugby players has an Indian component is a bit of an overreach in my estimation.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “I strongly question whether Fijians are of 50% Indian descent. “

    What I meant was that 50% of the population are Indian descended, but the rugby team is 100% ethnic Fijian. Same for their women’s team (I’m not mad about women’s rugby, as rugby is essentially a game where stereotypical masculine qualities are important, but the Fijianas seem to show the same grace/speed/power qualities).

    I don’t think Indians mate very much with Africans or Melanesians, so Fiji is not very mixed (and the race question is prominent in Fiji politics – “who, whom”). I’ve met a fair few subcontinentals with white partners, but only once met a black woman married to an Indian guy – their daughter was a very striking girl.

    • Replies: @sb
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Unless you're a great fan of rugby 7s the most successful Fijian sportsperson may well be an ethnic Indian ,Vijay Singh the golfer who won a couple of majors

    I think I've read that while I guess he lives in the US his family now lives in New Zealand/Australia

  185. @indocon
    @rec1man

    The Rors are a fascinating group, they are mostly the descendants of Maratha army that lost to Afghan King Abdali at Panipat battle in 1762, and stayed around in the area. That battle turned out to be extremely pivotal in future course of India.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “The Rors are a fascinating group, they are mostly the descendants of Maratha army that lost to Afghan King Abdali at Panipat battle in 1762, and stayed around in the area.”

    Not according to this research.

    https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/archive/haryana/rors-have-roots-in-eurasia-research-696480

    “Our study, based on DNA profiling of over 200 persons in Haryana and Pakistan, reveals that Rors have strong genetic similarities with the Pathan and Kalash communities in Pakistan. The study indicates that Rors may have moved from the Swat Valley, a peripheral region of the Indus Valley region, about 1,500 years ago,” said Chaubey, senior author of the report.

    Light skin colour and average height of 6 feet were distinct characteristics of Rors, he said. “Saliva and blood samples of 154 Rors from 11 villages, including Amin, Katalheri, Sataundi and Dhatrath, were collected in 2012. Later, more samples were taken from Pakistan by our collaborators and the analysis were conducted in a state-of-the-art laboratory in Estonia,” he added.

  186. @Reg Cæsar
    Priest, three other men charged in rape and murder of 9-year-old girl

    The Post doesn't tell us which seminary the "priest" attended, nor his order. Suffice to say this is India.


    https://img.i-scmp.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=contain,width=1098,format=auto/sites/default/files/styles/1200x800/public/d8/images/methode/2021/05/27/45e45f52-beaa-11eb-9b2e-758b3029e26f_image_hires_151428.jpg?itok=eEavIh6h&v=1622099679

    Bet this is the first time you've seen the phrase "forcibly cremated":


    9-yr-old Dalit girl ‘gang-raped’ in Delhi and ‘forcibly cremated’, legs & ashes only evidence

    Radhe Shyam, the priest, happens to share his name with a Bollywood film to be released in a few months. That can't help its prospects, nor can its own scandal:

    Radhe Shyam: Man Who Duped Aspiring Actors Promising A Role With Prabhas Arrested In Mumbai

    (Warning: link contains a thumbnail of Chaz Bono.)

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Pharaoh

    Hate to say it, but rape does seem to play a prominent role in the Hindu religion. The Hindu male gods are to have gotten awfully rapey with the female gods/mortals. Apparently something about “eve teasing,” or some such . . .

    • Disagree: Corvinus
  187. @R.G. Camara
    @Hodag


    My wife gets offended when I talk about steroids and genes/breeding and athletics.
     
    I dated a girl who had some crushes on various superhero actors, especially due to their buffness. She would get royally upset---actually angry--when I pointed out that they all got their bodies through heavy steroid use. For some reason, she had this fantasy that somehow some actor who only spent 3 months working out could look like Thor or Superman without juice.

    The father of the high jumper? Randall Cunningham.
     
    I remember watching Cunningham (an NFL QB) once run the ball on a broken play. When the defender met him at the line of scrimmage and went for a tackle Cunningham jumped so high to vault him that his feet landed on the guy's helmet as the defender was going for the tackle. So it doesn't surprise me his offspring would be that good at jumping.

    Cunningham was one of those Great Black Hope quarterbacks whom are long on hype and athleticism but short on most quarterbacking skills. Still, when he got to use his athleticism to run the ball, it was fun. And he did stick around for a while, being a better than average journeyman.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @duncsbaby

    He almost took the Vikes all the way to the promised land back in the late 90’s if it wasn’t for Denny Green’s timid coaching in the NFC championship along w/Gary Anderson missing the only field goal he failed to make all season long. Of course they would’ve been trounced in the Super Bowl but you never know . . .

    In 1998, Anderson signed with the Minnesota Vikings and converted all 35 of his attempted field goals and all 59 extra points in regular season play, becoming the first placekicker to finish the regular season with a 100% success rate on both field goals and extra points. His only miss of the season came in the 1998 NFC Championship Game against the Atlanta Falcons.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Anderson_(placekicker)#Professional_career

    • Replies: @Feryl
    @duncsbaby

    Me and my dad basically said nothing in response to the missed field goal. We both had this eerie premonition that the Vikings were letting yet another Superbowl berth slip from their grasp in an NFC Championship game (at the time of the missed field goal the Vikes were ahead by 7 points) just as they had in 1988 (Darren Nelson dropping a go-ahead TD pass) and would also do in 2000 (a pedestrian Giants team blows out the Vikes).

    In 2009 The Brett Favre lead Vikings nearly beat the Saints but were let down by three massive mistakes: Adrian Peterson losing a fumble at the goal line just before half-time when a TD would've got the Vikings a 10 point lead, The Vikes getting busted for too many men on the field before a presumptive game winning field goal try, and Favre subsequently throwing a truly god-awful across the body interception near the end of the 4th quarter.

    In 2017 the Vikes lost yet another NFC Championship game when they made Nick Files look like a cross between Joe Montana and Johnny Unitas, eventually getting totally blown out of the water by an Eagles team that would strangely implode in subsequent seasons.

    What stands out about these losses is that other than Brees in 2009, the Vikes managed to have embarrassing losses to the QB likes of Cris Chandler, Kerry Collins, and Nick Foles, none of whom ever experienced top level success beyond a season or two, being stuck in that nebulous territory of mediocre to decently above average that seemingly 70% of quarterbacks fall into.

  188. @prosa123
    @D. K.

    Foremaster Lane seems to be just a few miles north of the Strip.
    https://youtu.be/BqYAj64yFlc?t=58

    Replies: @epebble, @duncsbaby

    Wow the guy who shot that video has got some brass balls for sure. I guess it helps that he’s brown skinned, a white guy driving down there would’ve probably been overwhelmed just on general purpose. Unbelievable what the local government has allowed to happen there. Blocking off the street has in effect made it into a lawless autonomous zone. Crazy.

  189. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Malla

    What about the Sikhs?

    Replies: @Malla, @rec1man

    Sikhs tend to be over-represented in athletic competitions/endevours if you see their small population. Have an excellent martial history as well. Highly respected by the Brits for their martial skills.

  190. @showmethereal
    @Altai

    Sports is all about the money... When people pretend otherwise - it is a disservice. Facilities - nutrition - travel expenses all matter.. You can have all the talent in the world - but if it doesn't get nurtured - then it won't reach full potential. You also made good points about training. Sometimes it is even something as mundane as weather. Most of the top golfers and tennis players in the world live in Florida. Why? They can train outdoors the whole winter... Nothing more than that as you can obviously find top notch golf and tennis facilities all around the globe. But relating to facilities - Jamaica is a good example of what you mentioned. Until about 15 years ago - most Jamaican sprinters trained in the US - or represented Great Britain or Canada in sprints. But then Puma and Adidas put big money into training facilities in Jamaica itself as part of sponsorship agreements - and then - bam - the athletes mostly started staying home - leading to their dominance since 2008.

    China is another example of money mattering. China can now simply afford the training and facilities. Not more complicated than that. The discipline was always there...

    Replies: @Malla

    Sports is all about the money… When people pretend otherwise – it is a disservice.


    Sure money is an important factor. But it cannot be the only factor.
    For example
    Mongolia:
    Population: 3.3 million
    Per capita income: \$4,200
    Medals in Asian Games till date: 162
    Vs
    Oman:
    Population: 4.8 million
    Per capita income: \$14,400
    Medals in Asian Games till date: 4

    North Korea:
    Population: 26 million
    Per capita income: \$1,300
    Medals in Asian Games till date: 433
    Vs
    Saudi Arabia:
    Population: 34 million
    Per capita income: \$23,500
    Medals in Asian Games till date: 61

    Two cases of Arab countries with slightly bigger populations but with far higher per capita incomes than two comparable North East Asian countries but we see pathetic Asian Games medal counts of those two Arab countries compared to the North East Asian countries. Nah, money is not everything.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
    @Malla

    Per capita GDP doesn't matter if they choose not to spend it on sports. Granted I don't know the sports ministry budgets of Oman and Saudi Arabia... I know Saudis like to spend money on military and on luxury items... But do they care to spend money on sports achievement? Doesn't seem so. North Korea surely does though. That said - the Asian Games are much different than the Global Olympics.

    Replies: @Malla

  191. @anon
    The real measure of a country's athleticism is not how many medals they won but how many medals per capita.

    As of today, India has 5 medals in Tokyo. With a population of 1.38B, that means they have 1 medal for every 276 million people, really quite pathetic.

    The top 5 countries by total medal count aren't so impressive either on a per capita basis:
    1. USA: 91 medals total, 331m people (1 medal per 3.6m)
    2. China: 74 medals total, 1.44B people (1 medal per 19m)
    3. ROC: 58 medals, 146m people (1 medal per 2.5m)
    4. GBR: 51 medals, 68m (1 medal per 1.3m)
    5. JPN: 46 medals, 126m (1 medal per 2.7m)

    Compare that to the top 10 countries that have done best on a per capita basis:
    1. New Zealand: 19 medals, 4.8m (1 medal per 253k)
    2. Jamaica: 7 for 3m (1 per 423k)
    3. Croatia: 8 for 4.1m (1 per 513k)
    4. Slovenia: 4 for 2m (1 per 520k)
    5. Georgia: 7 for 4m (1 per 570k)
    6. Australia: 41 for 25m (1 per 622k)
    7. Hungary: 15 for 9.6m (1 per 644k)
    8. Netherlands: 26 for 17m (1 per 659k)
    9. Switzerland: 12 for 8.6m (1 per 721k)
    10. Denmark: 8 for 5.8m (1 per 724k)

    Of course, if you do this calculation for the Winter Games, the Northern European countries would dominate. If you combine both games, I think the Northern European countries, especially the Scandinavian countries, are the true jock nations. The Vikings are the modern day Spartans.

    The top 5 most pathetic countries are:
    1. India: 1 medal per 276m
    2. Nigeria: 1 per 103m
    3. Indonesia: 1 per 54m
    4. Argentina: 1 per 45m
    5. Mexico: 1 per 43m

    But they still do better than all those countries that won no medals of course, esp. Pakistan (220m) and Bangladesh (165m).

    Replies: @Kratoklastes, @Rohirrimborn

    The Olympics are an unreliable measure of a country’s athletic prowess. The USA has plenty of Olympic caliber athletes who aren’t competing because of the limits put on participants from each nation. Our selection process often results in the world’s best athletes not competing. Donovan Brazier is a case in point this year. The US States are often larger and with a greater population than European nations. If each US State was allowed to field it own Olympic team then the american medal count would be much much higher.

  192. @Hangnail Hans
    @Desiderius

    Who said anyone was afraid?
    Stop projecting.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    You did. If you talking offends your wife it’s the weakness that offends her not the content.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @Desiderius

    However, I never said that, did I.
    You're not just projecting--you're lying.

  193. @Abolish_public_education
    @guest007

    My ex-state made significant, direct appropriations, i.e. written in the state budget, to [football] every year. (I haven't looked in a while, but I'm sure it's still an item.) So WTH are you talking about?

    It's true. Many ADs are set up as independent fiefdoms. It's a disgrace. The darn football boosters control the whole, frick'n college. From top to bottom.

    Also, it's outrageous how the ADs are allowed to keep all the money they make from TV, merchandising, parking, etc. Then the ADs use that money to pay huge compensation packages to their staffs, build palatial facilities, etc. All that $ should revert to the TAXPAYERS (though big, college sports should not exist in the first place).

    It's just a legalistic, accounting gimmick to say that the coaches aren't getting their money from the taxpayers. The legislature could vote to grab every cent of athletic revenues and then dividend the money to taxpayers, if it wanted to.

    ESPN must bid billions for college football, broadcasting rights. There's a credible source.

    If we a_p_e, high school sports will go with it. Great, but what does that have to do with diversionary, corrupting, college sports? (Public high schools will still suck, even without football.)

    Replies: @guest007

    Could you please give the name of the state that appropriated money directly to an athletic department and please give a cite. Vague memories are not cites.

  194. @sb
    I vaguely recall India playing Australia in the final of the Davis Cup in my childhood
    At that time, at least in Australia ( which was then number One in tennis ), the Davis Cup was the biggest event in tennis

    India would also have been seen as the best soccer country of Asia until some time after WW2

    I think with Independence corruption became rampant in India and this doesn't exclude sporting bodies .
    We saw this with the Delhi Commonw2010ealth Games in 2010 which was a chance for India to show what they can do . I think the trials are still going on
    I'd say young Indians dream more of being sporting administrators than athletes -it certainly pays better !

    Replies: @Rohirrimborn

    The Indian women’s winning 4×400 relay team at the Delhi games was inspirational at the time. Unfortunatley most of the team was later suspended for doping violations.

  195. @Tiny Duck
    Most of these sports are based on access to facilites.

    There is no genetic component or it is insigficant

    I gaurantee you if you gave Africans the best facilites on par with western countriues they woild doimaite the olymopics

    Oh by the way USA is kicking butt in the olympics. MOstly People of COlor

    Looks like diversity works!

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

    You need a custom keyboard for webbed feet.

    • LOL: BB753
  196. @epebble
    @prosa123

    Wow, that is rough. How do they survive there in summer? In midsummer, you may get sunstroke in less than an hour in the open. I did not see any shade. Nearly 800 people died here in the Northwest during the recent heatwave.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Survival of the fittest. Anyone who is sensitive to heat and who lives in Las Vegas would have died long ago. The vulnerable in Seattle had not been heat stressed before so the 1st time that they were, they dropped en masse.

    The other thing is that there is air conditioning wherever you go in Las Vegas. In some places, even outdoors they have foggers going. A lot of the people who died in the NW did not have air conditioning in their homes. An unairconditioned house can be hotter indoors than it is outdoors, especially upstairs.

  197. @John Johnson
    @Altai

    Since most Olympic sports aren’t professional, it’s a matter of living near the best facilities for the sport.

    No it is not that simple.

    Putting a weight center in every village would not lead them to win gold in weightlifting.

    Indians in the US tend not to be athletic even though they get the American high protein diet.

    A billion people and they will also lose to Jamaica in anything related to running.

    This is why the Olympics are kind of dumb. They made more sense when they were intra-European. With global Olympics it's mostly group genetics on display.

    I really don't see why people get excited about the Olympics. Maybe they appeal to people that delude themselves about race.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @showmethereal

    I agree.

    When the modern Olympics started it was upper and middle class amateur athletes from European countries competing against each other without any thought of financial profit.

    The recent European and South American soccer championships were certainly just as exciting and rewarding for soccer fans as the tiresome World Cup, and as a bonus there were more finalists and more winners!

    And apart from the problems of the logistics of covid-19, it is much easier for fans to combine trips to the games with vacations.

  198. @PiltdownMan
    Compared to the average East or South-East Asian of similar height, let alone Europeans or Africans, most Indians come across as being puny, with weaker looking limbs.

    Genetics aside, Indians eat the least amount of meat, per capita, of almost any people on Earth, by far.

    The average Indian consumes a tiny fraction of the amount of meat the average American, Chinese, or Japanese person does.


    https://i.imgur.com/JGv7qxM.png

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_meat_consumption


    Gandhi spoke about this in his autobiography, quite entertainingly.


    He informed me that many of our teachers were secretly taking meat and wine ...

    I was surprised and pained. I asked my friend the reason and he explained it thus: 'We are a weak people because we do not eat meat. The English are able to rule over us, because they are meat-eaters. You know how hardy I am, and how great a runner too. It is because I am a meat-eater. .

    ... Our teachers and other distinguished people who eat meat are no fools. They know its virtues. You should do likewise. There is nothing like trying. Try, and see what strength it gives.'

    ...

    I certainly looked feeble-bodied by the side of my brother and this friend. They were both hardier, physically stronger, and more daring. This friend's exploits cast a spell over me. He could run long distances and extraordinarily fast. He was an adept in high and long jumping. He could put up with any amount of corporal punishment. He would often display his exploits to me and, as one is always dazzled when he sees in others the qualities that he lacks himself, I was dazzled by this friend's exploits. This was followed by a strong desire to be like him. I could hardly jump or run. Why should not I also be as strong as he?

    Moreover, I was a coward. I used to be haunted by the fear of thieves, ghosts, and serpents. I did not dare to stir out of doors at night. Darkness was a terror to me. It was almost impossible for me to sleep in the dark, as I would imagine ghosts coming from one direction, thieves from another and serpents from a third. I could not therefore bear to sleep without a light in the room. How could I disclose my fears to my wife, no child, but already at the threshold of youth, sleeping by my side? I knew that she had more courage than I, and I felt ashamed of myself. She knew no fear of serpents and ghosts. She could go out anywhere in the dark. My friend knew all these weaknesses of mine. He would tell me that he could hold in his hand live serpents, could defy thieves and did not believe in ghosts.

    And all this was, of course, the result of eating meat.

    A doggerel of the Gujarati poet Narmad was in vogue amongst us schoolboys, as follows:

    Behold the mighty Englishman
    He rules the Indian small,
    Because being a meat-eater
    He is five cubits tall.

    All this had its due effect on me. I was beaten. It began to grow on me that meat-eating was good, that it would make me strong and daring, and that, if the whole county took to meat-eating, the English could be overcome.

    A day was thereupon fixed for beginning the experiment. It had to be conducted in secret ...
     

    Replies: @Malla, @rec1man, @Jack D

    India has such a vast population (with varying phenotypes) that they could still field formidable Olympic teams if they were suitably motivated and organized and trained. You don’t send the AVERAGE person to the Olympics, you send selected freaks whose body types are suited for particular sports, as Steve pointed out. Long torsoed swimmers, long legged runners, tall basketball players, short gymnasts, etc. Being puny is actually an advantage in certain sports (Simone Biles is 4’8″ tall). When you have a BILLION+ people to choose from, even if a certain phenotype is rare, when applied to such a large # you still end up with a lot of people.

    For example, Australia (population 25 million) is currently 4th in the medal count with 44 while India (pop. 1.2 billion) is #66 with 5. While the average Indian male is short (5’5″) and vegetarian, out of India’s 1.2 billion people, you could easily find 25 million meat eating giants who would make the average Australian look shrimpy. For example, this guy, who is 7’6″

    Due to its caste system and different religions, there is a lot of endogamous breeding in India resulting in significant differences between various groups. So Sikhs, for example, are known for being tall.

    • Agree: Boomthorkell
  199. Maybe steroids are incompatible with half-religious dietary purity obsessions.

  200. @PaceLaw
    @rec1man

    Thank you for confirming what I already expected. I just don’t detect much interest in sports in this country, even as casual observers/fans, by the Indian community for the most part. And there’s nothing wrong with that, especially when so many in the Indian community are kicking ass in the scientific and medical fields. I suppose it’s a matter of trade-offs…

    Replies: @John Johnson, @rec1man

    Mathematically , it makes sense to focus on education, esp STEM, because there is 90% chance of getting into middle class and making a decent living – whereas in Sports and Entertainment , 99.9% will fail and cant make a living and only the very rich can afford to dabble in Sports

    • Agree: epebble
  201. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Malla

    What about the Sikhs?

    Replies: @Malla, @rec1man

    Indian State of Punjab is about 65% Vegetarian , and Punjab is 60% Sikh, so I expect a large % of Sikhs to also be vegetarian ; esp religious Sikhs ( Amritdhari ) and some Sikh sects like Namdhari

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @rec1man

    https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/815453549462421574/873655995476369468/image0.png

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6QyTxVVmvk

    ਸਿੱਖ ਹੋਇ ਆਮਿਖ ਭਖੈ, ਬਿੱਪ੍ਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਸੋ ਖਾਇ ।
    A Sikh is one who eats meat, a Brahmin is one who does not.

    Baba Deep Singh Ji made havan, drank Ratni (alcohol), made Shaheedi Degh (Cannabis) & did Jhatka of Buffalo before going to fight Afghans.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  202. @BB753
    One word: vegetarianism ( or veganism). A diet poor in animal fats and proteins is not good for your health. If you want to raise athletes, give the kids beef and eggs and bacon, and so on, for centuries. Which is the opposite of what Indians have been doing for at least 2.5 K years.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @John Johnson, @rec1man

    Most Indians who win Olympic medals in Boxing and Wrestling are Haryana Jat Hindus ; In North India, the native wrestlers are compulsory vegetarian ; the wrestling pits are held in Hindu temples of Hanuman , where meat is banned ; vs Meat eating Pakistanis, Bangladeshi dont win medals in boxing or wrestling ; Haryana Jat Hindus are about 40% Steppe ( Aryan ) , which is among the highest in India

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @rec1man

    Why do the Pakistanis and Bangladeshis do so poorly? Is jt because they're from the low-castes and have genetic issues?

    Or are Muslims less engaged with sports?

    Replies: @rec1man, @epebble

  203. @John Johnson
    @BB753

    One word: vegetarianism ( or veganism). A diet poor in animal fats and proteins is not good for your health. If you want to raise athletes, give the kids beef and eggs and bacon, and so on, for centuries. Which is the opposite of what Indians have been doing for at least 2.5 K years.

    Africans from starving countries have taken gold in track. In fact most African diets are still carb heavy. The Zulu expansion happened after they learned how to grow corn and then had plenty of men to throw at their enemies.

    Group genetics are real and diet can only go so far.

    The world would be better off accepting this and not engaging in these faux intellectual attempts at trying to deny what is obviously nature.

    WHY AREN'T PYGMIES WINNING THE HIGH JUMP? NYTIMES INVESTIGATES

    Replies: @BB753

    Well, diet affects evolution. If you’ve been eating crap for 2.5 k years your population will reflect this fact in terms of health, fitness and build.
    Were Bantus on carbs for 2.500 years before their expansion? They seem to like their roasted pygmies even today, as well as any kind of game available, including bush meat.

  204. @Reg Cæsar
    @Triteleia Laxa


    I fell asleep in my first Yin yoga session. There’s a lot more to yoga than sweating through 50 Vinyasas in a row.
     
    There is a version suited for kids.


    Literally:


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gvj6voiH5S0

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    That’s great! I have no laugh reactions left.

  205. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Desiderius

    West draws a lot of parallels between the late stage USSR and the US today (declining birth rate, increasing death rate due to alcohol and drug consumption, rigid ideological conformity, ethnic set-asides, etc.) which are not wrong.

    He also introduces a bizarre and off topic plug for immigration:


    When your migrant neighbour gets rich — and even richer than you — not only will it not harm you but you may well benefit.
     
    Maybe yes and maybe no. The Indian doctor who lives in the big house on a big lot next door to me seems to have different ideas than most Americans about the necessity of grass cutting and other landscape maintenance. Not only have I not benefitted from this immigrant diversity but I would say that the mosquitos that grow in his yard have in fact harmed me. And I've noticed that the roads are more crowded than they used to be (and Indians ain't such hot drivers) and that it's harder for my kids to get into a good university and get a good job, etc. so whatever "benefits" there are (I'll admit that it's easier to get a good biryani nowadays) are not entirely unalloyed.

    Replies: @uman, @Henry's Cat, @John Johnson, @Anonymous

    Maybe yes and maybe no. The Indian doctor who lives in the big house on a big lot next door to me k to have different ideas than most Americans about the necessity of grass cutting and other landscape maintenance. Not only have I not benefitted from this immigrant diversity but I would say that the mosquitos that grow in his yard have in fact harmed me.

    I’m a landlord, I have a property in a middle-class neighborhood, rent for a two-bed is \$1900 to \$2100, and the illegals who are renting next door were trying to declare war on my pissed off tenants. The illegals, in their early 30’s, live in a two bedroom house, have four kids under 10 years old, plus a sister and a cousin. One of the kid is a little 4 year old girl, they’re taking care of for the wife’s sister, who got deported back to Mexico, and can’t get back in. So there’s 8 people living in the two bed!

    When the little girl arrived, my tenants said they heard her crying every night for a month. Missed her mom. Latino parents can be horrible, I’ve found.

    Meanwhile, all my tenants are white collar professional types, paying a lot more rent than the illegals, and the culture clash is pronounced.

    The illegals like to park their pickups on their lawn, work on their shitty cars in the driveway, leaving oil slicks, and they let their kids run around screaming and acting like animals till 1:00 pm at night. And the shitty mariachi music. No other house or apt on the block has this shit going on.

    Recently, one of the illegals complained to me that one of my tenants called him a “stupid wetback,” after the illegal refused to control his loud shitty kids. “They’re kids! They make noise.” Yeah, a 5 year old screaming outside and running around at 10:30 at night is just what kids do. They called the police on my tenants, complaining of a “hate crime” of telling their kids to pipe down, and the “dumb wetback” remark. Since my tenant is Latino, a white collar administrator who works at the shipyards, it was impossible to get the police on board with them.

    I didn’t know how to respond when my tenant called to tell me what happened. It wasn’t a racist thing, it was a class issue, and my tenant was right. They are dumb wetbacks. The wee kind from central Mexico that other Mexicans treat like shit, so I’ve heard. I’ve never seen them this bold, however. I suspect Biden’s welcoming attitude has emboldened many, many illegals to assert themselves with their lowbrow bullshit against US citizens like never before. We recently had an entire busy intersection in an upper class neighborhood completely shut down by wetbacks holding a “spin out” contest with their shitty “race cars.” Something that was unfathomable just a few years ago.

    We think of them as “Biden’s Wetbacks,” and they’ve turned parts of our town into a Tijuana shithole. Again, their boldness is astounding to me.

    Anyhoo… I decided not to wade into the interpersonal shitshow between my tenants and the wetbacks, since the wetbacks had little command of the English language, and I pride myself on not learning Spanish, I called code enforcement with a laundry list of everything I could identify on that property that wasn’t up to snuff, including housing mexicans in their garage space. I included my suspicion of human trafficking. The city crawled up the landlord’s ass, and it’s gotten a LOT quieter around there. the difference is like night and day.

    There’s more I could legally do that would really disrupt them, enough so that they’d have to move, but I’m leaving things alone for now, as long as they control their shitty kids, and stop acting like aggressive dumb peasants. I’m not a ruthless guy. However, if they act up again, the shit will rain on Mexico.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    The illegals like to park their pickups on their lawn, work on their shitty cars in the driveway, leaving oil slicks, and they let their kids run around screaming and acting like animals till 1:00 pm at night.
     
    As do legals and even some second- and third-generation citizens. Cultural continuity.

    Take a drive through white trash country. This is a job many Americans will indeed do!



    https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/images/print-edition/20170701_SRP082_0.jpg


    https://myjrpaper.com/sites/default/files/2020-02/Sewell.jpg
    , @Corvinus
    @Anonymous

    Cool story, bro.

    “However, if they act up again, the shit will rain on Mexico.“

    Rambo is fiction.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    ...till 1:00 pm at night.
     
    Where is 1:00 pm "at night", except perhaps in Alert, Nunavut after mid-October?

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/02/09/13/3CF45EDB00000578-4207688-image-a-29_1486645793451.jpg

    , @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Hehe, what a great read. Biden’s Wetbacks, I’ll have to remember that one! The mexicans (lower cased to show them their deserved contempt and lowly place) certainly get far more rowdy when shitty Democrats get into power; it’s not only the blacks who do. Everyone knows it, the beaner policemen and city people know it, the criminal spics themselves know it, the Democrats know it, we all know it. Here in sunny Southern Mexifornia, they are back to their usual 3rd world antics which include street racing, DUI’s which often end up killing some poor innocent soul, burglary and theft at a high rate, walking around with tattoos and wife beaters and shooting rival vatos all day etc. To hell with this beaner infested state. I miss the four years of relative calm during Trump 1.0 when these trash behaved themselves out of fear of having the heavy hand of the law deport their +20 million illegal asses back HOME.

  206. @rec1man
    @BB753

    Most Indians who win Olympic medals in Boxing and Wrestling are Haryana Jat Hindus ; In North India, the native wrestlers are compulsory vegetarian ; the wrestling pits are held in Hindu temples of Hanuman , where meat is banned ; vs Meat eating Pakistanis, Bangladeshi dont win medals in boxing or wrestling ; Haryana Jat Hindus are about 40% Steppe ( Aryan ) , which is among the highest in India

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Why do the Pakistanis and Bangladeshis do so poorly? Is jt because they’re from the low-castes and have genetic issues?

    Or are Muslims less engaged with sports?

    • Replies: @rec1man
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Bangladeshi are mostly converts from low caste Hindus ; Pakistani muslims are inbred due to islam

    Replies: @3g4me

    , @epebble
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I think propensity to get an Olympic medal correlates highly with per capita GDP, which is a fancy way of saying poorer societies have more important thing in life than playing sports. Bangladeshis are focused on economic development like others in the neighborhood (Indonesia, Malaysia). Pakis are stuck in their "Islamic" violence like others in their neighborhood (Afghanistan, Iraq).

    Replies: @Malla

  207. @Reg Cæsar
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    Put cricket in the Olympics and India will find a way to win the gold.
     
    How many five-day test matches could you squeeze into three weeks?

    Replies: @jay ritchie

    If cricket were added to the olympics they couldnt fit in 5 day test matches. The maximum would be one day – but 20 overs would seem more sensible. I guess it would have to work like rugby where they play rugby 7s – which tends not to have teams of big name players, and soccer where its a variant on an under 21 tournament.

    Would India be favourites? I think Afghanistan and Pakistan have been leading in age group cricket for the last few years. Nepal have been known to do surprisingly well. Not for normal HBD reasons but because the players selected lie about their ages to seem younger.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @jay ritchie


    I guess it would have to work like rugby where they play rugby 7s
     
    Fiji celebrated their championship by issuing a $7 note.


    https://i.redd.it/mwn9rs9lta211.jpg


    Indonesia has few sporting victories to crow about, but they liked the idea of the lucky number 7 on currency, too.


    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/IGQAAOSwxCdfTg2m/s-l400.jpg


    Rp75,000 is worth FJ$10.79 at today's rate.
  208. @JohnnyWalker123
    @rec1man

    Why do the Pakistanis and Bangladeshis do so poorly? Is jt because they're from the low-castes and have genetic issues?

    Or are Muslims less engaged with sports?

    Replies: @rec1man, @epebble

    Bangladeshi are mostly converts from low caste Hindus ; Pakistani muslims are inbred due to islam

    • Replies: @3g4me
    @rec1man

    @213 rec1man: Pakistanis are inbred due to Islam; Indians are inbred due to Jatis. To a Western European, a distinction without much of a difference. Neither people have much to recommend them.

    Replies: @epebble

  209. @JohnnyWalker123
    @rec1man

    Why do the Pakistanis and Bangladeshis do so poorly? Is jt because they're from the low-castes and have genetic issues?

    Or are Muslims less engaged with sports?

    Replies: @rec1man, @epebble

    I think propensity to get an Olympic medal correlates highly with per capita GDP, which is a fancy way of saying poorer societies have more important thing in life than playing sports. Bangladeshis are focused on economic development like others in the neighborhood (Indonesia, Malaysia). Pakis are stuck in their “Islamic” violence like others in their neighborhood (Afghanistan, Iraq).

    • Replies: @Malla
    @epebble

    Not always true, check post 193 here.

  210. Cabbadi remains, handsdown, my favorite sport to play. The juggernaut is a drag, and I feel Gadaffi was making a good point in his reason for abolishing spectator sports (though I wouldn’t actually support their abolishment.)

    I recall while taking a jeep ride up from the Bengal lowlands to Darjeeling, when we finally disembarked, the three Bengalis where shivering and displeased, while I finally felt at home in the 65 degree (F), cloudy, rainy weather. The altitude too was pleasing, I could walk for days in those hills. It was like the Cascades in Fall.

  211. @Malla
    @PiltdownMan

    Yeah but meat eating Pakistanis hardly do well in Olympics like sports.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @BB753

    Yeah, but they don’t eat bacon!

    • Replies: @Malla
    @BB753

    Good point.

  212. @jay ritchie
    @Reg Cæsar

    If cricket were added to the olympics they couldnt fit in 5 day test matches. The maximum would be one day - but 20 overs would seem more sensible. I guess it would have to work like rugby where they play rugby 7s - which tends not to have teams of big name players, and soccer where its a variant on an under 21 tournament.

    Would India be favourites? I think Afghanistan and Pakistan have been leading in age group cricket for the last few years. Nepal have been known to do surprisingly well. Not for normal HBD reasons but because the players selected lie about their ages to seem younger.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I guess it would have to work like rugby where they play rugby 7s

    Fiji celebrated their championship by issuing a \$7 note.

    Indonesia has few sporting victories to crow about, but they liked the idea of the lucky number 7 on currency, too.

    Rp75,000 is worth FJ\$10.79 at today’s rate.

  213. @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    Maybe yes and maybe no. The Indian doctor who lives in the big house on a big lot next door to me k to have different ideas than most Americans about the necessity of grass cutting and other landscape maintenance. Not only have I not benefitted from this immigrant diversity but I would say that the mosquitos that grow in his yard have in fact harmed me.
     
    I’m a landlord, I have a property in a middle-class neighborhood, rent for a two-bed is $1900 to $2100, and the illegals who are renting next door were trying to declare war on my pissed off tenants. The illegals, in their early 30's, live in a two bedroom house, have four kids under 10 years old, plus a sister and a cousin. One of the kid is a little 4 year old girl, they’re taking care of for the wife's sister, who got deported back to Mexico, and can’t get back in. So there’s 8 people living in the two bed!

    When the little girl arrived, my tenants said they heard her crying every night for a month. Missed her mom. Latino parents can be horrible, I’ve found.

    Meanwhile, all my tenants are white collar professional types, paying a lot more rent than the illegals, and the culture clash is pronounced.

    The illegals like to park their pickups on their lawn, work on their shitty cars in the driveway, leaving oil slicks, and they let their kids run around screaming and acting like animals till 1:00 pm at night. And the shitty mariachi music. No other house or apt on the block has this shit going on.

    Recently, one of the illegals complained to me that one of my tenants called him a "stupid wetback," after the illegal refused to control his loud shitty kids. "They’re kids! They make noise." Yeah, a 5 year old screaming outside and running around at 10:30 at night is just what kids do. They called the police on my tenants, complaining of a "hate crime" of telling their kids to pipe down, and the "dumb wetback" remark. Since my tenant is Latino, a white collar administrator who works at the shipyards, it was impossible to get the police on board with them.

    I didn’t know how to respond when my tenant called to tell me what happened. It wasn’t a racist thing, it was a class issue, and my tenant was right. They are dumb wetbacks. The wee kind from central Mexico that other Mexicans treat like shit, so I’ve heard. I’ve never seen them this bold, however. I suspect Biden's welcoming attitude has emboldened many, many illegals to assert themselves with their lowbrow bullshit against US citizens like never before. We recently had an entire busy intersection in an upper class neighborhood completely shut down by wetbacks holding a "spin out" contest with their shitty "race cars." Something that was unfathomable just a few years ago.

    We think of them as "Biden's Wetbacks," and they’ve turned parts of our town into a Tijuana shithole. Again, their boldness is astounding to me.

    Anyhoo… I decided not to wade into the interpersonal shitshow between my tenants and the wetbacks, since the wetbacks had little command of the English language, and I pride myself on not learning Spanish, I called code enforcement with a laundry list of everything I could identify on that property that wasn’t up to snuff, including housing mexicans in their garage space. I included my suspicion of human trafficking. The city crawled up the landlord's ass, and it’s gotten a LOT quieter around there. the difference is like night and day.

    There's more I could legally do that would really disrupt them, enough so that they’d have to move, but I’m leaving things alone for now, as long as they control their shitty kids, and stop acting like aggressive dumb peasants. I’m not a ruthless guy. However, if they act up again, the shit will rain on Mexico.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Corvinus, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

    The illegals like to park their pickups on their lawn, work on their shitty cars in the driveway, leaving oil slicks, and they let their kids run around screaming and acting like animals till 1:00 pm at night.

    As do legals and even some second- and third-generation citizens. Cultural continuity.

    Take a drive through white trash country. This is a job many Americans will indeed do!

    • Troll: Hangnail Hans
  214. @Desiderius
    @Hangnail Hans

    You did. If you talking offends your wife it's the weakness that offends her not the content.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

    However, I never said that, did I.
    You’re not just projecting–you’re lying.

  215. @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    Maybe yes and maybe no. The Indian doctor who lives in the big house on a big lot next door to me k to have different ideas than most Americans about the necessity of grass cutting and other landscape maintenance. Not only have I not benefitted from this immigrant diversity but I would say that the mosquitos that grow in his yard have in fact harmed me.
     
    I’m a landlord, I have a property in a middle-class neighborhood, rent for a two-bed is $1900 to $2100, and the illegals who are renting next door were trying to declare war on my pissed off tenants. The illegals, in their early 30's, live in a two bedroom house, have four kids under 10 years old, plus a sister and a cousin. One of the kid is a little 4 year old girl, they’re taking care of for the wife's sister, who got deported back to Mexico, and can’t get back in. So there’s 8 people living in the two bed!

    When the little girl arrived, my tenants said they heard her crying every night for a month. Missed her mom. Latino parents can be horrible, I’ve found.

    Meanwhile, all my tenants are white collar professional types, paying a lot more rent than the illegals, and the culture clash is pronounced.

    The illegals like to park their pickups on their lawn, work on their shitty cars in the driveway, leaving oil slicks, and they let their kids run around screaming and acting like animals till 1:00 pm at night. And the shitty mariachi music. No other house or apt on the block has this shit going on.

    Recently, one of the illegals complained to me that one of my tenants called him a "stupid wetback," after the illegal refused to control his loud shitty kids. "They’re kids! They make noise." Yeah, a 5 year old screaming outside and running around at 10:30 at night is just what kids do. They called the police on my tenants, complaining of a "hate crime" of telling their kids to pipe down, and the "dumb wetback" remark. Since my tenant is Latino, a white collar administrator who works at the shipyards, it was impossible to get the police on board with them.

    I didn’t know how to respond when my tenant called to tell me what happened. It wasn’t a racist thing, it was a class issue, and my tenant was right. They are dumb wetbacks. The wee kind from central Mexico that other Mexicans treat like shit, so I’ve heard. I’ve never seen them this bold, however. I suspect Biden's welcoming attitude has emboldened many, many illegals to assert themselves with their lowbrow bullshit against US citizens like never before. We recently had an entire busy intersection in an upper class neighborhood completely shut down by wetbacks holding a "spin out" contest with their shitty "race cars." Something that was unfathomable just a few years ago.

    We think of them as "Biden's Wetbacks," and they’ve turned parts of our town into a Tijuana shithole. Again, their boldness is astounding to me.

    Anyhoo… I decided not to wade into the interpersonal shitshow between my tenants and the wetbacks, since the wetbacks had little command of the English language, and I pride myself on not learning Spanish, I called code enforcement with a laundry list of everything I could identify on that property that wasn’t up to snuff, including housing mexicans in their garage space. I included my suspicion of human trafficking. The city crawled up the landlord's ass, and it’s gotten a LOT quieter around there. the difference is like night and day.

    There's more I could legally do that would really disrupt them, enough so that they’d have to move, but I’m leaving things alone for now, as long as they control their shitty kids, and stop acting like aggressive dumb peasants. I’m not a ruthless guy. However, if they act up again, the shit will rain on Mexico.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Corvinus, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

    Cool story, bro.

    “However, if they act up again, the shit will rain on Mexico.“

    Rambo is fiction.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Corvinus


    Rambo is fiction.
     
    A Rambo family owns a bit of well-placed property around here. Does this mean I can stake a claim?

    Replies: @Corvinus

  216. @Buffalo Joe
    @BB753

    BB, Berkeley has decided that vegan is the way to go and they will be providing vegan meals to those in jails, schools etc.

    Replies: @BB753, @Paperback Writer

    They might have stumbled on an effective and replicable disincentive to crime. Wouldn’t that be a hoot?

  217. @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    Maybe yes and maybe no. The Indian doctor who lives in the big house on a big lot next door to me k to have different ideas than most Americans about the necessity of grass cutting and other landscape maintenance. Not only have I not benefitted from this immigrant diversity but I would say that the mosquitos that grow in his yard have in fact harmed me.
     
    I’m a landlord, I have a property in a middle-class neighborhood, rent for a two-bed is $1900 to $2100, and the illegals who are renting next door were trying to declare war on my pissed off tenants. The illegals, in their early 30's, live in a two bedroom house, have four kids under 10 years old, plus a sister and a cousin. One of the kid is a little 4 year old girl, they’re taking care of for the wife's sister, who got deported back to Mexico, and can’t get back in. So there’s 8 people living in the two bed!

    When the little girl arrived, my tenants said they heard her crying every night for a month. Missed her mom. Latino parents can be horrible, I’ve found.

    Meanwhile, all my tenants are white collar professional types, paying a lot more rent than the illegals, and the culture clash is pronounced.

    The illegals like to park their pickups on their lawn, work on their shitty cars in the driveway, leaving oil slicks, and they let their kids run around screaming and acting like animals till 1:00 pm at night. And the shitty mariachi music. No other house or apt on the block has this shit going on.

    Recently, one of the illegals complained to me that one of my tenants called him a "stupid wetback," after the illegal refused to control his loud shitty kids. "They’re kids! They make noise." Yeah, a 5 year old screaming outside and running around at 10:30 at night is just what kids do. They called the police on my tenants, complaining of a "hate crime" of telling their kids to pipe down, and the "dumb wetback" remark. Since my tenant is Latino, a white collar administrator who works at the shipyards, it was impossible to get the police on board with them.

    I didn’t know how to respond when my tenant called to tell me what happened. It wasn’t a racist thing, it was a class issue, and my tenant was right. They are dumb wetbacks. The wee kind from central Mexico that other Mexicans treat like shit, so I’ve heard. I’ve never seen them this bold, however. I suspect Biden's welcoming attitude has emboldened many, many illegals to assert themselves with their lowbrow bullshit against US citizens like never before. We recently had an entire busy intersection in an upper class neighborhood completely shut down by wetbacks holding a "spin out" contest with their shitty "race cars." Something that was unfathomable just a few years ago.

    We think of them as "Biden's Wetbacks," and they’ve turned parts of our town into a Tijuana shithole. Again, their boldness is astounding to me.

    Anyhoo… I decided not to wade into the interpersonal shitshow between my tenants and the wetbacks, since the wetbacks had little command of the English language, and I pride myself on not learning Spanish, I called code enforcement with a laundry list of everything I could identify on that property that wasn’t up to snuff, including housing mexicans in their garage space. I included my suspicion of human trafficking. The city crawled up the landlord's ass, and it’s gotten a LOT quieter around there. the difference is like night and day.

    There's more I could legally do that would really disrupt them, enough so that they’d have to move, but I’m leaving things alone for now, as long as they control their shitty kids, and stop acting like aggressive dumb peasants. I’m not a ruthless guy. However, if they act up again, the shit will rain on Mexico.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Corvinus, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

    …till 1:00 pm at night.

    Where is 1:00 pm “at night”, except perhaps in Alert, Nunavut after mid-October?

  218. @Corvinus
    @Anonymous

    Cool story, bro.

    “However, if they act up again, the shit will rain on Mexico.“

    Rambo is fiction.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Rambo is fiction.

    A Rambo family owns a bit of well-placed property around here. Does this mean I can stake a claim?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Reg Cæsar

    Absolutely. Right in your hillbilly wheelhouse.

  219. @BB753
    @Buffalo Joe

    A vegan population is more docile.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Reg Cæsar

    They're neurotic and fanatical, which is what the elite wants. Also, those people aren't reproducing and eating their soy beans as ordered.

  220. @epebble
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I think propensity to get an Olympic medal correlates highly with per capita GDP, which is a fancy way of saying poorer societies have more important thing in life than playing sports. Bangladeshis are focused on economic development like others in the neighborhood (Indonesia, Malaysia). Pakis are stuck in their "Islamic" violence like others in their neighborhood (Afghanistan, Iraq).

    Replies: @Malla

    Not always true, check post 193 here.

  221. @CCG
    @Hubbub

    There's no need to import Africans, just give proper nutrition and training to the Siddi community.

    Replies: @Malla

    The Indian Government is planning that, training the Siddi (Black Africans in India who are descendants of the Arab Indian ocean Slave trade). Even Pakistan has African blacks like the Makranis or in Karachi who too are descendants of African slaves freed from slavery when the British conquered Sind. Hell there are a few descandants of Black African slaves in Sri Lanka as wll, I was reading long time back an article about them and they were complaining about racism from Sri Lankans, how they are looked down upon etc…

  222. @BB753
    @Malla

    Yeah, but they don't eat bacon!

    Replies: @Malla

    Good point.

    • Thanks: BB753
  223. @Reg Cæsar
    @BB753


    A vegan population is more docile.
     
    It is?

    Why those abandoning veganism experience 'violent' backlash

    THE CULT OF VIOLENT VEGAN VIGILANTISM

    My experiences facing the extremes of vegan activism



    https://www.biography.com/.image/ar_4:3%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_1200/MTgwMTM4MTc4MDMwNjA5NzUy/river-phoenix.jpg

    Replies: @BB753

    They’re neurotic and fanatical, which is what the elite wants. Also, those people aren’t reproducing and eating their soy beans as ordered.

  224. Bajrang Punia, Haryana , Vegetarian, Jat caste , 40% Steppe, ( Russians are 60% Steppe ) , wins Bronze in wrestling

    Neeraj Chopra, Haryana, vegetarian, from Ror Caste, 45% Steppe ( for comparison Russians are 60% Steppe ) , wins Gold in Javelin,

    Ravi Dahiya, Haryana, vegetarian, Jat caste, wins Olympic Silver in wrestling

    • Replies: @CCG
    @rec1man

    The entire discussion on diet isn't valid for today's professional Indian athletes because of the easy availability of nutritional supplements like protein powders, multivitamins, etc. in India. Even regular middle-class Indian mothers now make sure that every Indian child's morning glass of milk has a nutritional powder like Complan, Bournvita, Horlicks, etc. added.

  225. Steve,

    • India finished Tokyo Olympics with its best ever performance of 7 medals (1G-2S-4B)
    • India missed at least 4-6 medals in Shooting. For last 3 years India dominated world shooting circuit beating exactly the same players/countries. This Olympics, they hit a rough patch unexpectedly and ended up with zero medals. It will be corrected. Expect a lot of shooting medals in Paris 2024. I am expecting double digit total medal count in Paris 2024.
    • India won its *first ever* Athletics medal. It is a Gold in Javelin by beating German & Czech players. The 23 year old who won gold refined his Javelin by watching youtube videos before he was discovered and trained.
    • India is on a threshold of winning large number of medals. Its just a matter of one or two more Olympic cycles
    • There were many 4th place finishes. i.e. very close to medal threshold including Golf / women’s hockey etc
    • India really stretched South Korea in Archery. 3 out of 4 Indians were knocked out by Archery powerhouse Korea in quarter finals. Just a little more push is needed.
    • Missed a few medals in wrestling. Wrestling & Shooting are the events to watch out for. India will get bulk of its medals in near future from these 2 disciplines.
    • Bottomline: Build proper physical infrastructure for Olympics. In India it started only 5-7 years ago. It is already showing results.

  226. @duncsbaby
    @R.G. Camara

    He almost took the Vikes all the way to the promised land back in the late 90's if it wasn't for Denny Green's timid coaching in the NFC championship along w/Gary Anderson missing the only field goal he failed to make all season long. Of course they would've been trounced in the Super Bowl but you never know . . .

    In 1998, Anderson signed with the Minnesota Vikings and converted all 35 of his attempted field goals and all 59 extra points in regular season play, becoming the first placekicker to finish the regular season with a 100% success rate on both field goals and extra points. His only miss of the season came in the 1998 NFC Championship Game against the Atlanta Falcons.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Anderson_(placekicker)#Professional_career

    Replies: @Feryl

    Me and my dad basically said nothing in response to the missed field goal. We both had this eerie premonition that the Vikings were letting yet another Superbowl berth slip from their grasp in an NFC Championship game (at the time of the missed field goal the Vikes were ahead by 7 points) just as they had in 1988 (Darren Nelson dropping a go-ahead TD pass) and would also do in 2000 (a pedestrian Giants team blows out the Vikes).

    In 2009 The Brett Favre lead Vikings nearly beat the Saints but were let down by three massive mistakes: Adrian Peterson losing a fumble at the goal line just before half-time when a TD would’ve got the Vikings a 10 point lead, The Vikes getting busted for too many men on the field before a presumptive game winning field goal try, and Favre subsequently throwing a truly god-awful across the body interception near the end of the 4th quarter.

    In 2017 the Vikes lost yet another NFC Championship game when they made Nick Files look like a cross between Joe Montana and Johnny Unitas, eventually getting totally blown out of the water by an Eagles team that would strangely implode in subsequent seasons.

    What stands out about these losses is that other than Brees in 2009, the Vikes managed to have embarrassing losses to the QB likes of Cris Chandler, Kerry Collins, and Nick Foles, none of whom ever experienced top level success beyond a season or two, being stuck in that nebulous territory of mediocre to decently above average that seemingly 70% of quarterbacks fall into.

  227. Per capita world-.wide, cricket is far more popular than boring baseball.

    IMHO, no such heavily commercial team sports should ever have been ‘lympic events.

    We should have adopted cricket, but Spalding”s push for a macho version of rounders to sell sporting goods roughly coincided with the fallout of Perry, so baseball was the main sport, with rugby, in my voluminous viewing of old animated films from the earliest to early post.war, this was the case.

    My opinion is that all team sports, except volleyball, hockey, and for the sake of tradition and drama, ice hockey, softball, handball and water polo should be thrown out. This includes beach volleyball.

    Likewise, individual and paired sports, like tennis and golf should have no place. They already have more than enough ‘top-level loadsamoney’ events.

    If some form of cricket had been a ‘lympic sport for, say, the last forty years, India would have more metal.

    • Replies: @Malla
    @Che Guava


    We should have adopted cricket
     
    Cricket is the best, most exciting sport ever. Yall who are not into cricket yet, I pity you all, yall do not know what you guys are missing.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=befrJ0WFQoU

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONbqHX0trKo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtVorJAhxzA

    Replies: @Che Guava

  228. If tantra were an Olympic sport they could achieve success or winning gold through a conjuring from lotus position.

    • Replies: @rec1man
    @CauCasiAnn

    Indians won several medals in boxing and wrestling - both men and women, thats the most macho sports - and all the male winners were from Vegetarian castes

  229. @CauCasiAnn
    If tantra were an Olympic sport they could achieve success or winning gold through a conjuring from lotus position.

    Replies: @rec1man

    Indians won several medals in boxing and wrestling – both men and women, thats the most macho sports – and all the male winners were from Vegetarian castes

  230. @EdwardM
    Why is cricket not an Olympic sport? It's the #1 athletic passion in a subcontinent with a quarter of the world's population, plus popular in the UK, Caribbean, and other Commonwealth countries.

    Off-and-on baseball gets eliminated because it's ostensibly not a global sport, but it's played substantially on three continents. I guess this is just an f-u to the Americans because it's our "national pastime."

    How are badminton, ping pong, and handball -- each played in a serious way in only small slivers of the globe -- not less global than baseball or cricket?

    Replies: @showmethereal

    Serious guess is because of the potential length of a cricket match… It would take too long.
    But baseball is a waste – not many countries play it. Beach volleyball is another waste because you have “regular” volleyball already.
    Why is handball in? Sports are included that are popular in various regions. I rather watch velodrome than baseball.

    • Replies: @meh
    @showmethereal


    Serious guess is because of the potential length of a cricket match… It would take too long.
     
    There are different formats of cricket. There is the five day international test match, the 4 day first class match ("county cricket"), the 1 day international, and the T20 or twenty-twenty format which lasts, I think, about three hours, the same as baseball more or less.

    But baseball is a waste – not many countries play it.
     
    If by "not many" you mean Latin America, Caribbean, North America, East Asia, sure "not many" but by that metric a lot of other sports would be out too.

    Beach volleyball is another waste because you have “regular” volleyball already.
     
    We have multiple "events" within the same "sport," volleyball is no exception to this.

    Why is handball in? Sports are included that are popular in various regions.
     
    Handball is popular in Europe and Asia.

    I rather watch velodrome than baseball.
     
    Old Man Yells At Cloud.

    Replies: @showmethereal

  231. @bro3886
    The Olympics is enjoying its lowest ratings ever. Buy a vowel, Steve.

    Replies: @showmethereal

    Ratings are down in all sports…. People are more into taking selfies and virtual reality now than actual reality.

  232. @Jack D
    @Rob

    I agree that the Chinese have done a lot right in the developing the economy/getting everyone enough food to eat dept. but like any other Communist regime they view Olympic gold as something that enhances their national prestige and they have invested a lot of money and resources with the express goal of winning medals. You don't win 38 golds without an expensive organized effort that is usually regime sponsored. (India illustrates what happens in the absence of such an effort).

    It also wouldn't surprise me if the Chinese had an organized doping program that is better hidden than the Russian one. Russians have great skills in engaging in shenanigans (their scheme for swapping out urine samples in Sochi was quite clever) but their skills at completely covering their tracks are not as good as they once were with the result that their tricks sometimes backfire on them when they are exposed later on.

    Replies: @showmethereal

    The US track and field team were one of the biggest and most efficient dopers. Florence Griffith Joyner and Car Lewis were dopers (she was a huge one) and got away with it…

    • Replies: @sb
    @showmethereal

    Yeah -it always irritates me how Americans push the line that everyone cheats except us .

    Americans are about the biggest drug users in the world both inside and outside sport . Although I certainly concede that it isn't a State run thing like in certain other countries - the US after all claims to be a free enterprise individualistic society
    Take a look at the opiate/oxycontin business for instance . A very American tale

  233. @Reg Cæsar
    @Corvinus


    Rambo is fiction.
     
    A Rambo family owns a bit of well-placed property around here. Does this mean I can stake a claim?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    Absolutely. Right in your hillbilly wheelhouse.

  234. @Hangnail Hans
    @peterike

    Thank God they are making more of these people by the billion. Soon the USA will join all those other countries which are 50% or more Indian.

    USA in the year 2060: half a billion Indians fighting it out with half a billion Africans. I wonder if they'll make it an Olympic sport.

    Replies: @showmethereal

    India’s birth rate is already dropping… As Africa gets wealthier it’s birth rate will drop too.

  235. @John Johnson
    @Altai

    Since most Olympic sports aren’t professional, it’s a matter of living near the best facilities for the sport.

    No it is not that simple.

    Putting a weight center in every village would not lead them to win gold in weightlifting.

    Indians in the US tend not to be athletic even though they get the American high protein diet.

    A billion people and they will also lose to Jamaica in anything related to running.

    This is why the Olympics are kind of dumb. They made more sense when they were intra-European. With global Olympics it's mostly group genetics on display.

    I really don't see why people get excited about the Olympics. Maybe they appeal to people that delude themselves about race.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @showmethereal

    An Italian team won the men’s 4×100.. One athlete was black of the 4 and one was half black. The anchor leg was run by a skinny white Italian and he actually overtook the lead runner to finish first. He couldn’t even believe it himself. China came in 4th but set the Asian record at these games – so they were ecstatic. A Brazilian middleweight got a TKO against a Ukrainian boxer who had won over 60 fights in a row. He couldn’t even believe it himself and broke down crying.

    That’s why people watch the Olympics… To see the unexpected.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @showmethereal

    "That’s why people watch the Olympics… To see the unexpected."

    Is that why they're bringing in all the transexuals?

  236. @Malla
    @showmethereal


    Sports is all about the money… When people pretend otherwise – it is a disservice.
     
    '
    Sure money is an important factor. But it cannot be the only factor.
    For example
    Mongolia:
    Population: 3.3 million
    Per capita income: $4,200
    Medals in Asian Games till date: 162
    Vs
    Oman:
    Population: 4.8 million
    Per capita income: $14,400
    Medals in Asian Games till date: 4

    North Korea:
    Population: 26 million
    Per capita income: $1,300
    Medals in Asian Games till date: 433
    Vs
    Saudi Arabia:
    Population: 34 million
    Per capita income: $23,500
    Medals in Asian Games till date: 61

    Two cases of Arab countries with slightly bigger populations but with far higher per capita incomes than two comparable North East Asian countries but we see pathetic Asian Games medal counts of those two Arab countries compared to the North East Asian countries. Nah, money is not everything.

    Replies: @showmethereal

    Per capita GDP doesn’t matter if they choose not to spend it on sports. Granted I don’t know the sports ministry budgets of Oman and Saudi Arabia… I know Saudis like to spend money on military and on luxury items… But do they care to spend money on sports achievement? Doesn’t seem so. North Korea surely does though. That said – the Asian Games are much different than the Global Olympics.

    • Replies: @Malla
    @showmethereal


    But do they care to spend money on sports achievement? Doesn’t seem so.
     
    I am sure they do. They hire a lot of Africans.
  237. @rec1man
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Bangladeshi are mostly converts from low caste Hindus ; Pakistani muslims are inbred due to islam

    Replies: @3g4me

    @213 rec1man: Pakistanis are inbred due to Islam; Indians are inbred due to Jatis. To a Western European, a distinction without much of a difference. Neither people have much to recommend them.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @3g4me

    For many Americans, (including Western European Americans,) fear of outbreeding has roiled our politics for a few Centuries.

    Replies: @Malla

  238. @rec1man
    Bajrang Punia, Haryana , Vegetarian, Jat caste , 40% Steppe, ( Russians are 60% Steppe ) , wins Bronze in wrestling

    https://cdn.wionews.com/sites/default/files/styles/story_page/public/2018/09/12/54545-Bajrang%2520Punia%2520pti.jpg

    Neeraj Chopra, Haryana, vegetarian, from Ror Caste, 45% Steppe ( for comparison Russians are 60% Steppe ) , wins Gold in Javelin,

    https://thebridge.in/h-upload/2021/05/13/5129-neeraj-chopra.webp

    Ravi Dahiya, Haryana, vegetarian, Jat caste, wins Olympic Silver in wrestling

    https://images.livemint.com/img/2021/08/05/600x338/Ravi_Kumar_Dahiya_1628162037625_1628162042780.jpg

    Replies: @CCG

    The entire discussion on diet isn’t valid for today’s professional Indian athletes because of the easy availability of nutritional supplements like protein powders, multivitamins, etc. in India. Even regular middle-class Indian mothers now make sure that every Indian child’s morning glass of milk has a nutritional powder like Complan, Bournvita, Horlicks, etc. added.

  239. Anonymous[180] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    Maybe yes and maybe no. The Indian doctor who lives in the big house on a big lot next door to me k to have different ideas than most Americans about the necessity of grass cutting and other landscape maintenance. Not only have I not benefitted from this immigrant diversity but I would say that the mosquitos that grow in his yard have in fact harmed me.
     
    I’m a landlord, I have a property in a middle-class neighborhood, rent for a two-bed is $1900 to $2100, and the illegals who are renting next door were trying to declare war on my pissed off tenants. The illegals, in their early 30's, live in a two bedroom house, have four kids under 10 years old, plus a sister and a cousin. One of the kid is a little 4 year old girl, they’re taking care of for the wife's sister, who got deported back to Mexico, and can’t get back in. So there’s 8 people living in the two bed!

    When the little girl arrived, my tenants said they heard her crying every night for a month. Missed her mom. Latino parents can be horrible, I’ve found.

    Meanwhile, all my tenants are white collar professional types, paying a lot more rent than the illegals, and the culture clash is pronounced.

    The illegals like to park their pickups on their lawn, work on their shitty cars in the driveway, leaving oil slicks, and they let their kids run around screaming and acting like animals till 1:00 pm at night. And the shitty mariachi music. No other house or apt on the block has this shit going on.

    Recently, one of the illegals complained to me that one of my tenants called him a "stupid wetback," after the illegal refused to control his loud shitty kids. "They’re kids! They make noise." Yeah, a 5 year old screaming outside and running around at 10:30 at night is just what kids do. They called the police on my tenants, complaining of a "hate crime" of telling their kids to pipe down, and the "dumb wetback" remark. Since my tenant is Latino, a white collar administrator who works at the shipyards, it was impossible to get the police on board with them.

    I didn’t know how to respond when my tenant called to tell me what happened. It wasn’t a racist thing, it was a class issue, and my tenant was right. They are dumb wetbacks. The wee kind from central Mexico that other Mexicans treat like shit, so I’ve heard. I’ve never seen them this bold, however. I suspect Biden's welcoming attitude has emboldened many, many illegals to assert themselves with their lowbrow bullshit against US citizens like never before. We recently had an entire busy intersection in an upper class neighborhood completely shut down by wetbacks holding a "spin out" contest with their shitty "race cars." Something that was unfathomable just a few years ago.

    We think of them as "Biden's Wetbacks," and they’ve turned parts of our town into a Tijuana shithole. Again, their boldness is astounding to me.

    Anyhoo… I decided not to wade into the interpersonal shitshow between my tenants and the wetbacks, since the wetbacks had little command of the English language, and I pride myself on not learning Spanish, I called code enforcement with a laundry list of everything I could identify on that property that wasn’t up to snuff, including housing mexicans in their garage space. I included my suspicion of human trafficking. The city crawled up the landlord's ass, and it’s gotten a LOT quieter around there. the difference is like night and day.

    There's more I could legally do that would really disrupt them, enough so that they’d have to move, but I’m leaving things alone for now, as long as they control their shitty kids, and stop acting like aggressive dumb peasants. I’m not a ruthless guy. However, if they act up again, the shit will rain on Mexico.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Corvinus, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

    Hehe, what a great read. Biden’s Wetbacks, I’ll have to remember that one! The mexicans (lower cased to show them their deserved contempt and lowly place) certainly get far more rowdy when shitty Democrats get into power; it’s not only the blacks who do. Everyone knows it, the beaner policemen and city people know it, the criminal spics themselves know it, the Democrats know it, we all know it. Here in sunny Southern Mexifornia, they are back to their usual 3rd world antics which include street racing, DUI’s which often end up killing some poor innocent soul, burglary and theft at a high rate, walking around with tattoos and wife beaters and shooting rival vatos all day etc. To hell with this beaner infested state. I miss the four years of relative calm during Trump 1.0 when these trash behaved themselves out of fear of having the heavy hand of the law deport their +20 million illegal asses back HOME.

  240. @Che Guava
    Per capita world-.wide, cricket is far more popular than boring baseball.

    IMHO, no such heavily commercial team sports should ever have been 'lympic events.

    We should have adopted cricket, but Spalding"s push for a macho version of rounders to sell sporting goods roughly coincided with the fallout of Perry, so baseball was the main sport, with rugby, in my voluminous viewing of old animated films from the earliest to early post.war, this was the case.

    My opinion is that all team sports, except volleyball, hockey, and for the sake of tradition and drama, ice hockey, softball, handball and water polo should be thrown out. This includes beach volleyball.

    Likewise, individual and paired sports, like tennis and golf should have no place. They already have more than enough 'top-level loadsamoney' events.

    If some form of cricket had been a 'lympic sport for, say, the last forty years, India would have more metal.

    Replies: @Malla

    We should have adopted cricket

    Cricket is the best, most exciting sport ever. Yall who are not into cricket yet, I pity you all, yall do not know what you guys are missing.

    • Agree: Che Guava
    • Replies: @Che Guava
    @Malla

    I only have one other thing to say, nothing is beating a test or three-match, even if tactics are boring at times.

    One-day, top-level, also OK. tactics still important.

    20.20, yes it is fun to see, but not tactics and strategy.

    Of course still much more exciting than a baseball game.

    Assuming you read this, I would appreciate to hear your own thoughts.

    Replies: @Malla

  241. @showmethereal
    @Malla

    Per capita GDP doesn't matter if they choose not to spend it on sports. Granted I don't know the sports ministry budgets of Oman and Saudi Arabia... I know Saudis like to spend money on military and on luxury items... But do they care to spend money on sports achievement? Doesn't seem so. North Korea surely does though. That said - the Asian Games are much different than the Global Olympics.

    Replies: @Malla

    But do they care to spend money on sports achievement? Doesn’t seem so.

    I am sure they do. They hire a lot of Africans.

  242. @Malla
    I think since Indian subcontinentals are a mix of Australoids, Caucasoids and Mongoloids, the original Australoid natives were some weak ass people. That is why you get more athletic people in the more Caucasoid North West regions of the subcontinent and more Mongoloid North east regions of the subcontinent . More Caucasoid and Mongoloid DNA needed to cancel out the Australoid weakness.
    But what is surprising is that more Caucasoid and meat eating Pakistanis do so bad in Olympic like sports. I do not have many expectations with Bangladeshis and Sri Lankans but Pakistani under performance is surprising.

    Indians do reasonably well in the Asian Games and Commonwealth Games (Ex-British empire). Due to weight of population size, Indians come in the top ten easily.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-time_Asian_Games_medal_table
    All-time Asian Games medal table
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-time_Commonwealth_Games_medal_table
    All-time Commonwealth Games medal table
    However the Common Wealth Games are dominated by the Anglo white countries of Australia, England and Canada and other white Anglo-Celtic countries perform above their population weight like say New Zealand, Wales, Scotland, Ireland etc... Remember unlike the Asian games, blacks from the Caribbean compete in the Commonwealth games, countries like Jamaica, Barbados etc...
    The Asian Games on the other hand are dominated by North East Asian bigwigs of Japan, South Korea and China with North Korea and Taiwan doing reasonably well too. Other North East Asian teams like Hong Kong, Mongolia perform beyond their population weight. Hong Kong of 7 million got more medals than Bangladesh of 120+ million!! Also countries like Kazakhstan would have some Russian White athletes too, which helps a lot.
    However in the Asian games, North East Asians dominate South Asians, South East Asians and Middle Easterners in medals. Arabs perform really bad in Asian games.
    Basically in the Commonwealth Games, Anglo-Celtic Whites genetically dominate and in Asian Games, North East Asians genetically dominate.
    In the Asian Games, after the big three high performing North East Asian countries of Japan, South Korea and China, we get India in all time total medals won with is population size factoring in. Followed by Thailand and Iran.
    Similarly in the Commonwealth Games after the big three high performing Anglo White countries of England, Australia and Canada, we get India in all time total medals won with is population size factoring in. Followed by White countries like New Zealand and South Africa (has Whites in it).
    So after the genetically physically advantaged North East Asians and Anglos Whites, India comes in with its weight of numbers. Surprisingly in both the all time medal tables of Asian Games and Commonwealth Games, India comes in fourth.
    In the Olympics, India faces a triple whammy, not only Indians have to compete both the super performers of both, the Asian Games and Commonwealth Games, like China, Japan, South Korea, Australia, Britian (England, Scotland, Wales etc,... combined), Canada but also the USA, and other European high performers like Germany France, Hungary, Italy and of course Russia. All this squeezes out Indian further in the Olympics and it cannot bring out its weight of population numbers due to such high compatition as it does in the Asian Games and the Commonwealth Games.

    Replies: @Malla

    Top Ten all time medal winning countries in the Asian Games

    1] China 3,187
    2] Japan 3,054
    3] South Korea 2,235
    4] India 672
    5] Thailand 586
    6] Iran 557
    7] Kazakhstan 557
    8] Taiwan 519
    9] Indonesia 446
    10]North Korea 433

    As I was saying, in the Asian Games, the big three North East Asian countries dominate by a big margin, North East Asians totally dominate South Asians, South East Asians and Middle Easterners among Asians. China = Genetic athletic advantage + population weight, Japan & South Korea=Genetic athletic advantage + decent populations. India comes in fourth due to sheer population weight. North Korea and Taiwan also genetic athletic advantage but smaller, similar talent pools than Japan, S. Korea and China . Indonesia comes up due to population weight. Persians perform far better than Arabs. Thailand does extremely well among South East Asians. Kazakhstan may have White Russian athletes which gives advantage.

    Top Ten all time medal winning countries in the Commonwealth Games

    1] Australia 2416
    2] England 2144
    3] Canada 1555
    4] India 503
    5] New Zealand 657
    6] South Africa 389
    7] Scotland 451
    8] Kenya 237
    9] Nigeria 236
    10] Wales 306

    Again, in the Commonwealth Games, we see Australia, England and Canada absolutely dominate the medal tallies like Japan, South Korea and China in the Asian Games. England/Australia/Canada = Genetic athletic advantage + population weight among whites. They are the three most populous White countries in the Commonwealth games. India again comes in a repectable fourth just like the Asian Games due to sheer population weight. New Zealand, South Africa, Scotland, Wales and Kenya perform well due to Genetic athletic advantage. Nigeria due to sheer population weight, like Indonesia at number 9.
    Scotland, New Zealand and Wales pack a punch beyond their population size due to Genetic athletic advantage in talent pool but lag the big three (England, Canada and Australia) due to smaller populations and thus smaller, similar genetic talent pools. In the Olympics, England, Wales, Scotland & Northern Ireland would combine talent pools to form a single team GB, packing quite a punch.
    In the Olympics, not only India has to face all of these top performers like China, Japan, South Korea, Australia, Great Britain combined, Canada and other good performers, it has to compete against other high performing nations like USA, Russia, Germany, France, Netherlands, Italy, Hungary etc.. Too much competitive squeeze in the Olympics to bring population weight into the picture like it does in the Commonwealth Games and Asian Games.

    • Replies: @sb
    @Malla

    Until fairly recently Muslim countries didn't do women's sport
    makes a big difference when it comes to all time medal totals

    I think the Commonwealth Games have a lot of shooting events where Indians do very well ( which go unseen in Australia ) I'm always surprised at India's high medal tally at the CWG because , I guess ,they feature in events I don't watch

  243. @Jhsjs
    There are very few South Asian Indian-American athletes too. Unless you count Spelling Bee Champions

    Replies: @Marty T

    Hey, it’s on espn right?

    As they were in the news this week, I noticed Hungary’s pretty good at water polo (bronze for women, men competed for bronze). It’s true that just about any country could probably concentrate on something obscure (not that water polo is) and get a few medals.

  244. @showmethereal
    @John Johnson

    An Italian team won the men's 4x100.. One athlete was black of the 4 and one was half black. The anchor leg was run by a skinny white Italian and he actually overtook the lead runner to finish first. He couldn't even believe it himself. China came in 4th but set the Asian record at these games - so they were ecstatic. A Brazilian middleweight got a TKO against a Ukrainian boxer who had won over 60 fights in a row. He couldn't even believe it himself and broke down crying.

    That's why people watch the Olympics... To see the unexpected.

    Replies: @BB753

    “That’s why people watch the Olympics… To see the unexpected.”

    Is that why they’re bringing in all the transexuals?

  245. sher singh says:
    @rec1man
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Indian State of Punjab is about 65% Vegetarian , and Punjab is 60% Sikh, so I expect a large % of Sikhs to also be vegetarian ; esp religious Sikhs ( Amritdhari ) and some Sikh sects like Namdhari

    Replies: @sher singh

    ਸਿੱਖ ਹੋਇ ਆਮਿਖ ਭਖੈ, ਬਿੱਪ੍ਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਸੋ ਖਾਇ ।
    A Sikh is one who eats meat, a Brahmin is one who does not.

    Baba Deep Singh Ji made havan, drank Ratni (alcohol), made Shaheedi Degh (Cannabis) & did Jhatka of Buffalo before going to fight Afghans.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  246. @3g4me
    @rec1man

    @213 rec1man: Pakistanis are inbred due to Islam; Indians are inbred due to Jatis. To a Western European, a distinction without much of a difference. Neither people have much to recommend them.

    Replies: @epebble

    For many Americans, (including Western European Americans,) fear of outbreeding has roiled our politics for a few Centuries.

    • Replies: @Malla
    @epebble

    The fear is justified. Healthy fear.

  247. @epebble
    @3g4me

    For many Americans, (including Western European Americans,) fear of outbreeding has roiled our politics for a few Centuries.

    Replies: @Malla

    The fear is justified. Healthy fear.

  248. @Reg Cæsar
    Priest, three other men charged in rape and murder of 9-year-old girl

    The Post doesn't tell us which seminary the "priest" attended, nor his order. Suffice to say this is India.


    https://img.i-scmp.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=contain,width=1098,format=auto/sites/default/files/styles/1200x800/public/d8/images/methode/2021/05/27/45e45f52-beaa-11eb-9b2e-758b3029e26f_image_hires_151428.jpg?itok=eEavIh6h&v=1622099679

    Bet this is the first time you've seen the phrase "forcibly cremated":


    9-yr-old Dalit girl ‘gang-raped’ in Delhi and ‘forcibly cremated’, legs & ashes only evidence

    Radhe Shyam, the priest, happens to share his name with a Bollywood film to be released in a few months. That can't help its prospects, nor can its own scandal:

    Radhe Shyam: Man Who Duped Aspiring Actors Promising A Role With Prabhas Arrested In Mumbai

    (Warning: link contains a thumbnail of Chaz Bono.)

    Replies: @PaceLaw, @Pharaoh

    That picture highlights hindu self-loathing. The hindus used to depict their gods as black, like themselves. Now they are painting them white, like the monkeys in India. Sad…

    Maybe that explains why the Monkey God Hanuman is so popular with modern hindu nationalists? He is naturally white-faced.

    • Replies: @Malla
    @Pharaoh


    The hindus used to depict their gods as black, like themselves. Now they are painting them white, like the monkeys in India. Sad…
     
    What? What are you smoking? LOL. Where do you get bullshit information like this??? This is some of the dumbest bullshit I have ever read. LOL.

    Replies: @Pharaoh

    , @Malla
    @Pharaoh

    Whoever this low IQ monkey is calling himself Pharoah or phawhore, he is a prime grade crackpot. Firstly Indians come in a variety of skin colours from light to dark. And Lord Hanuman is actually a Langur monkey who have black faces.

    https://karunasociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Langur-5-Karuna-Monkey-2018-08-Aug.jpeg

    Replies: @Pharaoh

    , @Malla
    @Pharaoh

    Indians come in a variety of skin colours and have been for thousands of years.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzN4PKgPg-4

    The girl is a North Indian Brahmin, actually a top Brahmin clan, so genes are mostly unmixed for the last 2000 years atleast. The guy is a upper caste Hindu guy from Bengal.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjfzFVw2Zjo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqA-sQVsB3U

    All above are Hindus and thus genes unmixed for 1500 to 2000 years ago.

    Replies: @Pharaoh

  249. @showmethereal
    @EdwardM

    Serious guess is because of the potential length of a cricket match... It would take too long.
    But baseball is a waste - not many countries play it. Beach volleyball is another waste because you have "regular" volleyball already.
    Why is handball in? Sports are included that are popular in various regions. I rather watch velodrome than baseball.

    Replies: @meh

    Serious guess is because of the potential length of a cricket match… It would take too long.

    There are different formats of cricket. There is the five day international test match, the 4 day first class match (“county cricket”), the 1 day international, and the T20 or twenty-twenty format which lasts, I think, about three hours, the same as baseball more or less.

    But baseball is a waste – not many countries play it.

    If by “not many” you mean Latin America, Caribbean, North America, East Asia, sure “not many” but by that metric a lot of other sports would be out too.

    Beach volleyball is another waste because you have “regular” volleyball already.

    We have multiple “events” within the same “sport,” volleyball is no exception to this.

    Why is handball in? Sports are included that are popular in various regions.

    Handball is popular in Europe and Asia.

    I rather watch velodrome than baseball.

    Old Man Yells At Cloud.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
    @meh

    Baseball is taken serious in the US - Japan - Cuba - Dominican Republic - Panama - Puerto Rico - Venezuela. Marginally in South Korea and the ROC (Taiwan)...

  250. I saw Pakistan beat West Germany in field hockey for the gold medal at the 1984 Olympics. I played a little field hockey at the park as a teen, and it was fun, but I thought the gold medal game I went to was not a good spectator sport because the ref was constantly stopping play for offsides violations. Hopefully, they’ve figured out better rules to let the teams play on more since then.

    Hockey was in a state of transition in 1984; artificial turf was in, but the older rules for a game played on grass had not been sufficiently modified.

    With a faster, often wet, artificial plastic pitch, long passing was possible, thus leading to all those frustrating offside calls.

    As you can’t score a goal in hockey unless you are inside the shooting circle, the offside rule isn’t that big a deal and just got in the way once the game sped up.

    India and Pakistan couldn’t afford the switch to artificial pitches so they fell behind in hockey.

  251. @Pharaoh
    @Reg Cæsar

    That picture highlights hindu self-loathing. The hindus used to depict their gods as black, like themselves. Now they are painting them white, like the monkeys in India. Sad...

    Maybe that explains why the Monkey God Hanuman is so popular with modern hindu nationalists? He is naturally white-faced.

    Replies: @Malla, @Malla, @Malla

    The hindus used to depict their gods as black, like themselves. Now they are painting them white, like the monkeys in India. Sad…

    What? What are you smoking? LOL. Where do you get bullshit information like this??? This is some of the dumbest bullshit I have ever read. LOL.

    • Replies: @Pharaoh
    @Malla

    https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/1543xavier1.asp


    We have in these parts a class of men among the pagans who are called Brahmins. They keep up the worship of the gods, the superstitious rites of religion, frequenting the temples and taking care of the idols.

    [Then they asked me] whether God was black or white? For as there is so great a variety of color among men, and the Indians being black themselves, consider their own color the best, they believe that their gods are black. On this account the great majority of their idols are as black as black can be
     
  252. @Pharaoh
    @Reg Cæsar

    That picture highlights hindu self-loathing. The hindus used to depict their gods as black, like themselves. Now they are painting them white, like the monkeys in India. Sad...

    Maybe that explains why the Monkey God Hanuman is so popular with modern hindu nationalists? He is naturally white-faced.

    Replies: @Malla, @Malla, @Malla

    Whoever this low IQ monkey is calling himself Pharoah or phawhore, he is a prime grade crackpot. Firstly Indians come in a variety of skin colours from light to dark. And Lord Hanuman is actually a Langur monkey who have black faces.

    • Replies: @Pharaoh
    @Malla


    Lord Hanuman is actually a Langur monkey who have black faces.
     
    Ok, thanks for making my point better. So, the ancient hindus chose a black-faced langur monkey as their Lord instead of one of the far more numerous white-faced rhesus monkeys of India because the langurs were black like themselves. Right? So why are you monkey-worshippers painting Hanuman as white-faced now if not from self-loathing?


    Here are a couple examples:

    https://www.krishnadas.com/wp-content/uploads/01253_n_10aekwcwm52637-e1474327049546.jpg

    https://akm-img-a-in.tosshub.com/indiatoday/hanumanstory_647_042216105140.jpg


    Here's what a typical Indian monkey looks like:

    https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/rhesus-macaque-monkey-macaca-mulatta-600w-797218681.jpg
  253. @Pharaoh
    @Reg Cæsar

    That picture highlights hindu self-loathing. The hindus used to depict their gods as black, like themselves. Now they are painting them white, like the monkeys in India. Sad...

    Maybe that explains why the Monkey God Hanuman is so popular with modern hindu nationalists? He is naturally white-faced.

    Replies: @Malla, @Malla, @Malla

    Indians come in a variety of skin colours and have been for thousands of years.

    The girl is a North Indian Brahmin, actually a top Brahmin clan, so genes are mostly unmixed for the last 2000 years atleast. The guy is a upper caste Hindu guy from Bengal.

    All above are Hindus and thus genes unmixed for 1500 to 2000 years ago.

    • Replies: @Pharaoh
    @Malla

    Typical Indian tactic: posting pictures of outliers and Bollywood actors, usually photoshopped to look lighter. Here is the reality:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolkata


    By the 1850s, Calcutta had two areas: White Town, which was primarily British and centred on Chowringhee and Dalhousie Square; and Black Town, mainly Indian and centred on North Calcutta
     
    Here is the main deity of the Bengalis, the goddess Kali:

    https://i.pinimg.com/236x/dd/c0/b9/ddc0b90412e60565251d9fbcd0f30a80--kali-mata-mother-kali.jpg

    Replies: @Malla, @Malla

  254. @YetAnotherAnon
    @PaceLaw

    "I strongly question whether Fijians are of 50% Indian descent. "

    What I meant was that 50% of the population are Indian descended, but the rugby team is 100% ethnic Fijian. Same for their women's team (I'm not mad about women's rugby, as rugby is essentially a game where stereotypical masculine qualities are important, but the Fijianas seem to show the same grace/speed/power qualities).

    I don't think Indians mate very much with Africans or Melanesians, so Fiji is not very mixed (and the race question is prominent in Fiji politics - "who, whom"). I've met a fair few subcontinentals with white partners, but only once met a black woman married to an Indian guy - their daughter was a very striking girl.

    Replies: @sb

    Unless you’re a great fan of rugby 7s the most successful Fijian sportsperson may well be an ethnic Indian ,Vijay Singh the golfer who won a couple of majors

    I think I’ve read that while I guess he lives in the US his family now lives in New Zealand/Australia

  255. @Malla
    @Malla

    Top Ten all time medal winning countries in the Asian Games

    1] China 3,187
    2] Japan 3,054
    3] South Korea 2,235
    4] India 672
    5] Thailand 586
    6] Iran 557
    7] Kazakhstan 557
    8] Taiwan 519
    9] Indonesia 446
    10]North Korea 433

    As I was saying, in the Asian Games, the big three North East Asian countries dominate by a big margin, North East Asians totally dominate South Asians, South East Asians and Middle Easterners among Asians. China = Genetic athletic advantage + population weight, Japan & South Korea=Genetic athletic advantage + decent populations. India comes in fourth due to sheer population weight. North Korea and Taiwan also genetic athletic advantage but smaller, similar talent pools than Japan, S. Korea and China . Indonesia comes up due to population weight. Persians perform far better than Arabs. Thailand does extremely well among South East Asians. Kazakhstan may have White Russian athletes which gives advantage.

    Top Ten all time medal winning countries in the Commonwealth Games

    1] Australia 2416
    2] England 2144
    3] Canada 1555
    4] India 503
    5] New Zealand 657
    6] South Africa 389
    7] Scotland 451
    8] Kenya 237
    9] Nigeria 236
    10] Wales 306

    Again, in the Commonwealth Games, we see Australia, England and Canada absolutely dominate the medal tallies like Japan, South Korea and China in the Asian Games. England/Australia/Canada = Genetic athletic advantage + population weight among whites. They are the three most populous White countries in the Commonwealth games. India again comes in a repectable fourth just like the Asian Games due to sheer population weight. New Zealand, South Africa, Scotland, Wales and Kenya perform well due to Genetic athletic advantage. Nigeria due to sheer population weight, like Indonesia at number 9.
    Scotland, New Zealand and Wales pack a punch beyond their population size due to Genetic athletic advantage in talent pool but lag the big three (England, Canada and Australia) due to smaller populations and thus smaller, similar genetic talent pools. In the Olympics, England, Wales, Scotland & Northern Ireland would combine talent pools to form a single team GB, packing quite a punch.
    In the Olympics, not only India has to face all of these top performers like China, Japan, South Korea, Australia, Great Britain combined, Canada and other good performers, it has to compete against other high performing nations like USA, Russia, Germany, France, Netherlands, Italy, Hungary etc.. Too much competitive squeeze in the Olympics to bring population weight into the picture like it does in the Commonwealth Games and Asian Games.

    Replies: @sb

    Until fairly recently Muslim countries didn’t do women’s sport
    makes a big difference when it comes to all time medal totals

    I think the Commonwealth Games have a lot of shooting events where Indians do very well ( which go unseen in Australia ) I’m always surprised at India’s high medal tally at the CWG because , I guess ,they feature in events I don’t watch

  256. @showmethereal
    @Jack D

    The US track and field team were one of the biggest and most efficient dopers. Florence Griffith Joyner and Car Lewis were dopers (she was a huge one) and got away with it...

    Replies: @sb

    Yeah -it always irritates me how Americans push the line that everyone cheats except us .

    Americans are about the biggest drug users in the world both inside and outside sport . Although I certainly concede that it isn’t a State run thing like in certain other countries – the US after all claims to be a free enterprise individualistic society
    Take a look at the opiate/oxycontin business for instance . A very American tale

  257. @Malla
    @Pharaoh


    The hindus used to depict their gods as black, like themselves. Now they are painting them white, like the monkeys in India. Sad…
     
    What? What are you smoking? LOL. Where do you get bullshit information like this??? This is some of the dumbest bullshit I have ever read. LOL.

    Replies: @Pharaoh

    https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/1543xavier1.asp

    We have in these parts a class of men among the pagans who are called Brahmins. They keep up the worship of the gods, the superstitious rites of religion, frequenting the temples and taking care of the idols.

    [Then they asked me] whether God was black or white? For as there is so great a variety of color among men, and the Indians being black themselves, consider their own color the best, they believe that their gods are black. On this account the great majority of their idols are as black as black can be

  258. Cricket may well have greater claims than baseball/softball for Olympics inclusion as it is played on all 5 ( Olympic ) continents at a high level but it isn’t generally played at other Games

    I think the only non Commonwealth countries to ever qualify for a cricket World Cup are Ireland, Afghanistan , the Netherlands and UAE ( which I suspect would have really been a South Asian side )
    Although I note that Thailand made the last women’s T20 World cup

    if you look at say the top 15 historically top Olympic medal winners only Britain and Australia are big on cricket . Given a choice I expect the other 13 would opt for baseball/softball .

    Against this baseball needs special grounds , can’t field the sport’s top players and needs very large team squads . Cricket can be played with drop in wickets on most grounds

    I saw today in Australian media that netball also wants to be in the Olympics . I looked up that the only non Commonwealth country at the last Netball World Cup was …wait for it … Zimbabwe

  259. @Malla
    @Pharaoh

    Indians come in a variety of skin colours and have been for thousands of years.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzN4PKgPg-4

    The girl is a North Indian Brahmin, actually a top Brahmin clan, so genes are mostly unmixed for the last 2000 years atleast. The guy is a upper caste Hindu guy from Bengal.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjfzFVw2Zjo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqA-sQVsB3U

    All above are Hindus and thus genes unmixed for 1500 to 2000 years ago.

    Replies: @Pharaoh

    Typical Indian tactic: posting pictures of outliers and Bollywood actors, usually photoshopped to look lighter. Here is the reality:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolkata

    By the 1850s, Calcutta had two areas: White Town, which was primarily British and centred on Chowringhee and Dalhousie Square; and Black Town, mainly Indian and centred on North Calcutta

    Here is the main deity of the Bengalis, the goddess Kali:

    • Replies: @Malla
    @Pharaoh


    Typical Indian tactic: posting pictures of outliers and Bollywood actors, usually photoshopped to look lighter.
     
    Typical crackpot. No they are not outliners, many ordinary Indians look like them, many are my freinds like that. Indians have great diversity in skin colour and facial features. We are not White or black but brown. Photoshopped in a video? That too from the 70s and 90s?? Are you out of you mind? There was no computer technology to do it in a video.

    Was there photoshp back in the 40s?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhP1VEyIOa8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwBdFom1X30

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXLzfldeDcM

    , @Malla
    @Pharaoh


    Here is the main deity of the Bengalis, the goddess Kali:
     
    This proves I am obviously dealing with a low IQ crackpot foreigner who has no idea about Hinduism.
    It seems you want to appropriate Indian civilization for some nefarious sick cause. Maybe you want to show that because we Indians are like the tribal Negroids of Africa, that we are low IQ of 70 like them. That is your trick.

    OK Lord Shiva has many wives but primarily three. They can take many forms. The three wives of three races sighnified the coming together of the threee constituent races of India into Purannic Hindu civilization.
    One is Gauri which means fair/white. Indians call White people Goras. Goddess Gauri represents the White Caucasian component of Indian ancestry.
    One is Kali which means Black. Indians call Black people Kalus. Goddess Kali represents the Black Australoid primitive tribal component of Indian ancestry.
    The Last is Goddess Ganga who is originally Mongoloid/ Kirata, representing the Yellow Mongoloid component of Indian ancestry.

    now if not from self-loathing?
     
    There is no self loathing you low IQ smelly monkey. All your idiotic imaginations.
  260. This site has paintings of the black Bengalis in Black Town Calcutta from 2 centuries ago with written descriptions from the painter:

    https://www.getbengal.com/details/kolkata-was-once-called-black-town

    Calcutta had from the early 18th century been divided into fairly distinct European and native quarters. In his notes to the illustration The Black Town of Calcutta, Solvyns writes: “Each nation at Calcutta has its particular, so we have the English quarter, the Portuguese quarter etc… that which is inhabited by the natives, who, whether they are originally Hindoos or Mussulmans, differ from all the others by their complexion which is as dark as the Caffries {kaffirs or africans}, is called the Black Town. No Europeans is to be seen there, and the construction of the houses was completely different from ours.

    • Replies: @Malla
    @Pharaoh


    the Indians being black
     
    From an European perspective, brown people are black.

    The Black Town of Calcutta, Solvyns writes: ..s called the Black Town.
     
    Whoever wrote this (Indians look like Negroes) obviously was drunk on Rum. LOL. Now I am North Indian but I have had Bengali friends and my cousin sister is married to a Bengali upper caste. So I know. Bengalis range from extreme fair skin (more common in upper castes like Brahmins, Kayasthas) to extrme dark skin. I can debunk this drunk Brit easy. Check out some Chief Ministers of West Bengal State.

    https://i2.wp.com/www.opindia.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/jyoti-basu.jpg

    Jyoti Basu, Bengali Kayasta, Chief Minister of West Bengal State (of the Communist Party of India-Maoist) for 23 years straight.

    https://assets.telegraphindia.com/telegraph/2020/Dec/1607507909_budhha.jpg

    Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee, Bengali Brahmin, Chief Minister of West Bengal State after Jyoti Basu (Communist Party of India-Maoist)

    http://static-ai.asianetnews.com/images/01cyr5wahh84q6b7rx9ehetmfy/Sheikh-Hasina-Wazed--Begum-Khaleda-Zia.jpg

    Prime Minister of Bangladesh Sheikh Hasina (Awami League Party) Left with Leader of Opposition Begum Khaleda Zia on the right, of the BNP Party, not Nick Griggin's British Nationalist Party LOL, but the Bangladesh Nationalist Party.

    https://www.livemint.com/rf/Image-621x414/LiveMint/Period1/2012/10/31/Photos/Khaleda%20Zia1--621x414.jpg

    Begum Khaleda Zia of Bangladesh meeting India’s Minister of Foreign Affairs Salman Khurshid

    Do they look like Negroes of Africa???? Are you nuts?
    Show me one pure Negroid African who can look like them. Come on, that is your challenge. You can also use Ethiopians, Eritreans and Somalis since they have some Caucasian ancestry. Show me one black negroid from Africa (not the Americas) who can look like these above. Show me.

    Replies: @Kuru, @Pharaoh

  261. @Malla
    @Pharaoh

    Whoever this low IQ monkey is calling himself Pharoah or phawhore, he is a prime grade crackpot. Firstly Indians come in a variety of skin colours from light to dark. And Lord Hanuman is actually a Langur monkey who have black faces.

    https://karunasociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Langur-5-Karuna-Monkey-2018-08-Aug.jpeg

    Replies: @Pharaoh

    Lord Hanuman is actually a Langur monkey who have black faces.

    Ok, thanks for making my point better. So, the ancient hindus chose a black-faced langur monkey as their Lord instead of one of the far more numerous white-faced rhesus monkeys of India because the langurs were black like themselves. Right? So why are you monkey-worshippers painting Hanuman as white-faced now if not from self-loathing?

    Here are a couple examples:

    Here’s what a typical Indian monkey looks like:

  262. @Pharaoh
    @Malla

    Typical Indian tactic: posting pictures of outliers and Bollywood actors, usually photoshopped to look lighter. Here is the reality:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolkata


    By the 1850s, Calcutta had two areas: White Town, which was primarily British and centred on Chowringhee and Dalhousie Square; and Black Town, mainly Indian and centred on North Calcutta
     
    Here is the main deity of the Bengalis, the goddess Kali:

    https://i.pinimg.com/236x/dd/c0/b9/ddc0b90412e60565251d9fbcd0f30a80--kali-mata-mother-kali.jpg

    Replies: @Malla, @Malla

    Typical Indian tactic: posting pictures of outliers and Bollywood actors, usually photoshopped to look lighter.

    Typical crackpot. No they are not outliners, many ordinary Indians look like them, many are my freinds like that. Indians have great diversity in skin colour and facial features. We are not White or black but brown. Photoshopped in a video? That too from the 70s and 90s?? Are you out of you mind? There was no computer technology to do it in a video.

    Was there photoshp back in the 40s?

  263. @Pharaoh
    This site has paintings of the black Bengalis in Black Town Calcutta from 2 centuries ago with written descriptions from the painter:

    https://www.getbengal.com/details/kolkata-was-once-called-black-town


    Calcutta had from the early 18th century been divided into fairly distinct European and native quarters. In his notes to the illustration The Black Town of Calcutta, Solvyns writes: “Each nation at Calcutta has its particular, so we have the English quarter, the Portuguese quarter etc… that which is inhabited by the natives, who, whether they are originally Hindoos or Mussulmans, differ from all the others by their complexion which is as dark as the Caffries {kaffirs or africans}, is called the Black Town. No Europeans is to be seen there, and the construction of the houses was completely different from ours.

     

    https://www.getbengal.com/uploads/story_image/black-town-2020.jpg

    http://www.getbengal.com/ckeditor/userfiles/1525753719-black-town-2.jpg

    Replies: @Malla

    the Indians being black

    From an European perspective, brown people are black.

    The Black Town of Calcutta, Solvyns writes: ..s called the Black Town.

    Whoever wrote this (Indians look like Negroes) obviously was drunk on Rum. LOL. Now I am North Indian but I have had Bengali friends and my cousin sister is married to a Bengali upper caste. So I know. Bengalis range from extreme fair skin (more common in upper castes like Brahmins, Kayasthas) to extrme dark skin. I can debunk this drunk Brit easy. Check out some Chief Ministers of West Bengal State.

    Jyoti Basu, Bengali Kayasta, Chief Minister of West Bengal State (of the Communist Party of India-Maoist) for 23 years straight.

    Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee, Bengali Brahmin, Chief Minister of West Bengal State after Jyoti Basu (Communist Party of India-Maoist)

    Prime Minister of Bangladesh Sheikh Hasina (Awami League Party) Left with Leader of Opposition Begum Khaleda Zia on the right, of the BNP Party, not Nick Griggin’s British Nationalist Party LOL, but the Bangladesh Nationalist Party.

    Begum Khaleda Zia of Bangladesh meeting India’s Minister of Foreign Affairs Salman Khurshid

    Do they look like Negroes of Africa???? Are you nuts?
    Show me one pure Negroid African who can look like them. Come on, that is your challenge. You can also use Ethiopians, Eritreans and Somalis since they have some Caucasian ancestry. Show me one black negroid from Africa (not the Americas) who can look like these above. Show me.

    • Replies: @Kuru
    @Malla


    Bengalis range from extreme fair skin (more common in upper castes like Brahmins, Kayasthas) to extrme dark skin.
     
    A. K. Mozumdar of Bengal actually somehow managed to be classified as a "free white person" by a U.S. District judge! His citizenship was later revoked after the case of United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind, which barred all Indians from British India from becoming naturalised American citizens.

    https://i.imgur.com/IFipOwJ.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/iopmh1I.jpg

    Replies: @Malla

    , @Pharaoh
    @Malla


    From an European perspective, brown people are black.
     
    It was called Black Town, Calcutta not Brown Town. Malays, Mexicans, Arabs are brown. Indians are black.

    Every white-washed photo you post confirms my point, as much as the black hindu gods painted white by hindu nationalists do.

    Indians are a black race with some persian, afghan and central asian admixture in the northwest, and some tibeto-burman admixture in the northeast.

    Anyone can google the names you posted and see that you are a shameless liar. Couple examples:

    Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee, in the hospital:

    https://i0.wp.com/www.socialnews.xyz/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/09/9e245cbe41cecf87ec02f99fd193f3bf.jpg

    Jyoti Basu, on the left:

    https://images.outlookindia.com/public/uploads/gallery/20180813/somnath_8_20150803_402_602.jpg

    Replies: @Malla, @Malla

  264. @Pharaoh
    @Malla

    Typical Indian tactic: posting pictures of outliers and Bollywood actors, usually photoshopped to look lighter. Here is the reality:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolkata


    By the 1850s, Calcutta had two areas: White Town, which was primarily British and centred on Chowringhee and Dalhousie Square; and Black Town, mainly Indian and centred on North Calcutta
     
    Here is the main deity of the Bengalis, the goddess Kali:

    https://i.pinimg.com/236x/dd/c0/b9/ddc0b90412e60565251d9fbcd0f30a80--kali-mata-mother-kali.jpg

    Replies: @Malla, @Malla

    Here is the main deity of the Bengalis, the goddess Kali:

    This proves I am obviously dealing with a low IQ crackpot foreigner who has no idea about Hinduism.
    It seems you want to appropriate Indian civilization for some nefarious sick cause. Maybe you want to show that because we Indians are like the tribal Negroids of Africa, that we are low IQ of 70 like them. That is your trick.

    OK Lord Shiva has many wives but primarily three. They can take many forms. The three wives of three races sighnified the coming together of the threee constituent races of India into Purannic Hindu civilization.
    One is Gauri which means fair/white. Indians call White people Goras. Goddess Gauri represents the White Caucasian component of Indian ancestry.
    One is Kali which means Black. Indians call Black people Kalus. Goddess Kali represents the Black Australoid primitive tribal component of Indian ancestry.
    The Last is Goddess Ganga who is originally Mongoloid/ Kirata, representing the Yellow Mongoloid component of Indian ancestry.

    now if not from self-loathing?

    There is no self loathing you low IQ smelly monkey. All your idiotic imaginations.

  265. @Malla
    @Pharaoh


    the Indians being black
     
    From an European perspective, brown people are black.

    The Black Town of Calcutta, Solvyns writes: ..s called the Black Town.
     
    Whoever wrote this (Indians look like Negroes) obviously was drunk on Rum. LOL. Now I am North Indian but I have had Bengali friends and my cousin sister is married to a Bengali upper caste. So I know. Bengalis range from extreme fair skin (more common in upper castes like Brahmins, Kayasthas) to extrme dark skin. I can debunk this drunk Brit easy. Check out some Chief Ministers of West Bengal State.

    https://i2.wp.com/www.opindia.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/jyoti-basu.jpg

    Jyoti Basu, Bengali Kayasta, Chief Minister of West Bengal State (of the Communist Party of India-Maoist) for 23 years straight.

    https://assets.telegraphindia.com/telegraph/2020/Dec/1607507909_budhha.jpg

    Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee, Bengali Brahmin, Chief Minister of West Bengal State after Jyoti Basu (Communist Party of India-Maoist)

    http://static-ai.asianetnews.com/images/01cyr5wahh84q6b7rx9ehetmfy/Sheikh-Hasina-Wazed--Begum-Khaleda-Zia.jpg

    Prime Minister of Bangladesh Sheikh Hasina (Awami League Party) Left with Leader of Opposition Begum Khaleda Zia on the right, of the BNP Party, not Nick Griggin's British Nationalist Party LOL, but the Bangladesh Nationalist Party.

    https://www.livemint.com/rf/Image-621x414/LiveMint/Period1/2012/10/31/Photos/Khaleda%20Zia1--621x414.jpg

    Begum Khaleda Zia of Bangladesh meeting India’s Minister of Foreign Affairs Salman Khurshid

    Do they look like Negroes of Africa???? Are you nuts?
    Show me one pure Negroid African who can look like them. Come on, that is your challenge. You can also use Ethiopians, Eritreans and Somalis since they have some Caucasian ancestry. Show me one black negroid from Africa (not the Americas) who can look like these above. Show me.

    Replies: @Kuru, @Pharaoh

    Bengalis range from extreme fair skin (more common in upper castes like Brahmins, Kayasthas) to extrme dark skin.

    A. K. Mozumdar of Bengal actually somehow managed to be classified as a “free white person” by a U.S. District judge! His citizenship was later revoked after the case of United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind, which barred all Indians from British India from becoming naturalised American citizens.

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    • Replies: @Malla
    @Kuru

    Thanks for this info. I knew about the United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind case but did not know about A. K. Mozumdar. Since Indian subcontinentals are literally on the "edge" of the Caucasoid race, it must have put a lot of confusion about race and immigration in those days. LOL. But Indians are not White because we have mixed with the original native black Australoid tribes when our ancestors moved here and nearly all of us have some Australoid ancestry in us. So much mixing tin between Caucasoids and Australoids as well some 10-15% Mongoloid that India being the place where Australoids originally evolved and moved out to Australia/ Fiji/ Papua New Guinea etc... via South East Asia as well as Australoids went from Indian subcontinent to the Middle East, no pure Australoid exists on the Indian mainland today. Even the adivasi tribals of the jungle have some Caucasoid in them now. Pharoah is 8000 years too late for his pure black Indian paradise, since already 8000 to 9000 years ago, Caucasoid populations were already at the borders of the Indian subcontinent.
    This pharaoh guys is an idiot. My cousin sister is married to an upper Caste Bengali Kayahstha, Ghosh clan, and being upper caste there are mnay fair skinned people in their family. My brother in law's Mon's elder brother, his uncle, has extreme fair skin and light brown eyes and has a Germanic facial cast. He has a moustache and he drives a big Royal Enfield bike. When he does, he looks like some White biker dude. At times he looks like a red neck. India is a melting pot and has a lot of diversity of looks.

    Replies: @Kuru

  266. @Malla
    @Pharaoh


    the Indians being black
     
    From an European perspective, brown people are black.

    The Black Town of Calcutta, Solvyns writes: ..s called the Black Town.
     
    Whoever wrote this (Indians look like Negroes) obviously was drunk on Rum. LOL. Now I am North Indian but I have had Bengali friends and my cousin sister is married to a Bengali upper caste. So I know. Bengalis range from extreme fair skin (more common in upper castes like Brahmins, Kayasthas) to extrme dark skin. I can debunk this drunk Brit easy. Check out some Chief Ministers of West Bengal State.

    https://i2.wp.com/www.opindia.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/jyoti-basu.jpg

    Jyoti Basu, Bengali Kayasta, Chief Minister of West Bengal State (of the Communist Party of India-Maoist) for 23 years straight.

    https://assets.telegraphindia.com/telegraph/2020/Dec/1607507909_budhha.jpg

    Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee, Bengali Brahmin, Chief Minister of West Bengal State after Jyoti Basu (Communist Party of India-Maoist)

    http://static-ai.asianetnews.com/images/01cyr5wahh84q6b7rx9ehetmfy/Sheikh-Hasina-Wazed--Begum-Khaleda-Zia.jpg

    Prime Minister of Bangladesh Sheikh Hasina (Awami League Party) Left with Leader of Opposition Begum Khaleda Zia on the right, of the BNP Party, not Nick Griggin's British Nationalist Party LOL, but the Bangladesh Nationalist Party.

    https://www.livemint.com/rf/Image-621x414/LiveMint/Period1/2012/10/31/Photos/Khaleda%20Zia1--621x414.jpg

    Begum Khaleda Zia of Bangladesh meeting India’s Minister of Foreign Affairs Salman Khurshid

    Do they look like Negroes of Africa???? Are you nuts?
    Show me one pure Negroid African who can look like them. Come on, that is your challenge. You can also use Ethiopians, Eritreans and Somalis since they have some Caucasian ancestry. Show me one black negroid from Africa (not the Americas) who can look like these above. Show me.

    Replies: @Kuru, @Pharaoh

    From an European perspective, brown people are black.

    It was called Black Town, Calcutta not Brown Town. Malays, Mexicans, Arabs are brown. Indians are black.

    Every white-washed photo you post confirms my point, as much as the black hindu gods painted white by hindu nationalists do.

    Indians are a black race with some persian, afghan and central asian admixture in the northwest, and some tibeto-burman admixture in the northeast.

    Anyone can google the names you posted and see that you are a shameless liar. Couple examples:

    Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee, in the hospital:

    Jyoti Basu, on the left:

    • Replies: @Malla
    @Pharaoh


    for no one sees native hindus as whites or yellows
     
    Nobody claimed Indians are White or Yellow, you smelly retard. Indians are brown. Like our Prime Minister.

    https://i.ndtvimg.com/i/2015-10/narendra-modi-twitter_650x400_61446009241.jpg

    https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5c35313e2200003309dfd031.jpeg

    Malays, Mexicans, Arabs are brown. Indians are black.
     
    What rubbish!! Indians are considered brown by everybody.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Stoddard_race_map_1920.jpg

    You can keep on jabbering that "Indians are black" nonsens but Indians do not consider themselves black but brown and no it has nothing to do with self loathing, it is plain common sense. Anybody who has visited India and seen the diversity in looks will agree that Indians should fall in the brown category and that India has had a SUBSTANTIAL Caucasian genetic infusion in the past. And Hindu fundamentalists do not kowtow to nazis. Black Africans do not have the diversity of looks Indian subcontinentals have. Stop making a fool of yourself and looking like an ignorant low IQ monkey.

    Anyone can google the names you posted and see that you are a shameless liar.
     
    LOL, I encourage everybody on Unz to go on Google and check out pics of Jyoti Basu and come to their conclusion if he looks like an African. LOL. What this low IQ monkey calling himself Pahroah LOL does not realise is that exposure to the sun can make a drastic change in many Indian people's skin tone (me included). In such cases, their darker skin is not their natural skin colour.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUOQP5dUFrg
    Hardtalk India Budhadeb Bhattacharya

    Replies: @Pharaoh, @Pharaoh

    , @Malla
    @Pharaoh


    Indians are a black race with some persian, afghan and central asian admixture in the northwest, and some tibeto-burman admixture in the northeast.
     
    What bullshit. There is enormous diversity of looks throughtout the subcontinent. And Indians is basically a Caucasoid Australoid mix race.

    From: Reconstructing Indian population history David Reich, Kumarasamy Thangaraj, Nick Patterson, Alkes L. Price & Lalji Singh Nature volume 461, pages489–494 (2009)
    “We analyse 25 diverse groups in India to provide strong evidence for two ancient populations, genetically divergent, that are ancestral to most Indians today. One, the “Ancestral North Indians” (ANI), is genetically close to Middle Easterners, Central Asians, and Europeans, whereas the other, the “Ancestral South Indians” (ASI), is as distinct from ANI and East Asians as they are from each other. By introducing methods that can estimate ancestry without accurate ancestral populations, we show that ANI ancestry ranges from 39-71% in most Indian groups, and is higher in traditionally upper caste and Indo-European speakers. Groups with only ASI ancestry may no longer exist in mainland India. However, the Andamanese are an ASI-related group without ANI ancestry, showing that the peopling of the islands must have occurred before ANI-ASI gene flow on the mainland. ”

    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4QeBN68hPnc/UEsFkv152pI/AAAAAAAAAP8/Rq5Vvhr6HDw/s450/india-reich2009-fig4.jpg

    Thus we see Europeans—> Ancestral North Indians —> Pathans/Pastuns of Afghanistan—-> Vaish (Upper Caste Hindu Vaishnavs, worshippers of Lord Vishnu)—-> Megahwals (Lower Castes)—–> Bhil (Jungle tribals)—–> Ancestral South Indians (extinct)—–> Onge Australoids (Extinct in pure form in Indian mainland. Cousins found in Papua New Guinea/Australia/ female side of South East Asians etc…)
    Thus basically the original pure Australoid population (like Australian Aborigines) have totally disappeared in its pure form in India and all those primitive natives have got Caucasoid ancestry in them, even the jungle tribals have some of that DNA but less than say upper caste Hindus.

    From: Metspalu et al. “Shared and Unique Components of Human Population Structure and Genome-Wide Signals of Positive Selection in South Asia”. Am J Hum Genet, 2011.
    “Linguistic and genetic studies have shown that most Indian groups have ancestry from two genetically divergent populations, Ancestral North Indians (ANI) and Ancestral South Indians (ASI). However, the date of mixture still remains unknown. We analyze genome-wide data from about 60 South Asian groups using a newly developed method that utilizes information related to admixture linkage disequilibrium to estimate mixture dates. Our analyses suggest that major ANI-ASI mixture occurred in the ancestors of both northern and southern Indians 1,200-3,500 years ago, overlapping the time when Indo-European languages first began to be spoken in the subcontinent. These results suggest that this formative period of Indian history was accompanied by mixtures between two highly diverged populations, although our results do not rule out other, older ANI-ASI admixture events. A cultural shift subsequently led to widespread endogamy, which decreased the rate of additional population mixtures.”

    From: Moorjani et al. “Estimating a date of mixture of ancestral South Asian populations”, Evolutionary and Population Genetics, 2012.
    “The paper provides an overview of the spatial and temporal aspects of human morphological variation in India. Four morphological types — Australoids, Negritos, Mongoloids and Caucasoids — have been discerned in the contemporary Indian population. The Australoids appear to be the oldest and have evolved in India. The Caucasoids are physically heterogeneous and suggests incorporation of more than one physical type involving more than one migration.
    That is there have been multiple distinct migrations/invasions of Caucasoids into the Indian subcontinent such as Iranian farmers, Aryans, Scythians etc… and mixing for the last 8000 to 11000 years.
  267. @Kuru
    @Malla


    Bengalis range from extreme fair skin (more common in upper castes like Brahmins, Kayasthas) to extrme dark skin.
     
    A. K. Mozumdar of Bengal actually somehow managed to be classified as a "free white person" by a U.S. District judge! His citizenship was later revoked after the case of United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind, which barred all Indians from British India from becoming naturalised American citizens.

    https://i.imgur.com/IFipOwJ.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/iopmh1I.jpg

    Replies: @Malla

    Thanks for this info. I knew about the United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind case but did not know about A. K. Mozumdar. Since Indian subcontinentals are literally on the “edge” of the Caucasoid race, it must have put a lot of confusion about race and immigration in those days. LOL. But Indians are not White because we have mixed with the original native black Australoid tribes when our ancestors moved here and nearly all of us have some Australoid ancestry in us. So much mixing tin between Caucasoids and Australoids as well some 10-15% Mongoloid that India being the place where Australoids originally evolved and moved out to Australia/ Fiji/ Papua New Guinea etc… via South East Asia as well as Australoids went from Indian subcontinent to the Middle East, no pure Australoid exists on the Indian mainland today. Even the adivasi tribals of the jungle have some Caucasoid in them now. Pharoah is 8000 years too late for his pure black Indian paradise, since already 8000 to 9000 years ago, Caucasoid populations were already at the borders of the Indian subcontinent.
    This pharaoh guys is an idiot. My cousin sister is married to an upper Caste Bengali Kayahstha, Ghosh clan, and being upper caste there are mnay fair skinned people in their family. My brother in law’s Mon’s elder brother, his uncle, has extreme fair skin and light brown eyes and has a Germanic facial cast. He has a moustache and he drives a big Royal Enfield bike. When he does, he looks like some White biker dude. At times he looks like a red neck. India is a melting pot and has a lot of diversity of looks.

    • Replies: @Kuru
    @Malla


    This pharaoh guys is an idiot.
     
    He does however have a point regarding those Bollywood film stars being phenotypic outliers as far as India is concerned, they are perhaps more representitive of the Pakistani population but only by a certain degree, as many have Pashtun ancestry. Old school Bollwood was dominated by Hindko speakers, whose origins lie in the North-West Frontier Province.

    But anyway, I can only slightly understand the wewuzzery of white nationalists when it comes to Ancient India, the Aryan invaders were more like the people of the Pamir Mountains rather than Norwegians.

    https://i.imgur.com/PqZiz1U.jpg

    Replies: @Malla

  268. @Malla
    @Kuru

    Thanks for this info. I knew about the United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind case but did not know about A. K. Mozumdar. Since Indian subcontinentals are literally on the "edge" of the Caucasoid race, it must have put a lot of confusion about race and immigration in those days. LOL. But Indians are not White because we have mixed with the original native black Australoid tribes when our ancestors moved here and nearly all of us have some Australoid ancestry in us. So much mixing tin between Caucasoids and Australoids as well some 10-15% Mongoloid that India being the place where Australoids originally evolved and moved out to Australia/ Fiji/ Papua New Guinea etc... via South East Asia as well as Australoids went from Indian subcontinent to the Middle East, no pure Australoid exists on the Indian mainland today. Even the adivasi tribals of the jungle have some Caucasoid in them now. Pharoah is 8000 years too late for his pure black Indian paradise, since already 8000 to 9000 years ago, Caucasoid populations were already at the borders of the Indian subcontinent.
    This pharaoh guys is an idiot. My cousin sister is married to an upper Caste Bengali Kayahstha, Ghosh clan, and being upper caste there are mnay fair skinned people in their family. My brother in law's Mon's elder brother, his uncle, has extreme fair skin and light brown eyes and has a Germanic facial cast. He has a moustache and he drives a big Royal Enfield bike. When he does, he looks like some White biker dude. At times he looks like a red neck. India is a melting pot and has a lot of diversity of looks.

    Replies: @Kuru

    This pharaoh guys is an idiot.

    He does however have a point regarding those Bollywood film stars being phenotypic outliers as far as India is concerned, they are perhaps more representitive of the Pakistani population but only by a certain degree, as many have Pashtun ancestry. Old school Bollwood was dominated by Hindko speakers, whose origins lie in the North-West Frontier Province.

    But anyway, I can only slightly understand the wewuzzery of white nationalists when it comes to Ancient India, the Aryan invaders were more like the people of the Pamir Mountains rather than Norwegians.

    • Replies: @Malla
    @Kuru


    He does however have a point regarding those Bollywood film stars being phenotypic outliers as far as India is concerned
     
    No he is not. Come to India and stay for a while. You will find many people who look like Bollywood stars especially among the upper castes and upper and middle classes. I have seen Bollywood looking people in villages in the middle of India. A lot of them. We Indians accept this diversity as Indians. Dont listen to this low IQ idiot. Come and see it for yourself.
    Pakistanis look a bit more Caucasian on average then Indians but not that much. There is a Caucasian variation from the North to the South of the subcontinent and from Upper castes to lower castes, but I have seen and know many hardcore Caucasian looking South Indians too. You have to live in India for some time to know this. India is basically a kind of Brazil for the last 8000 years. This pharoah chap is just making a fool of himself that is all. Any Indian will laugh at his bullshit. And Indians having self loathing is bullshit. LMFAO Indians actually have toooo much self esteem about their race and achievements (many of them made up). This is one quality Indians have in common with Blacks, Blacks have their crackpot Afrocentrist Wakanda, Hindus have their Hindutva Wakanda. But I do not get why Indians do this. Blacks bantu Africans were primitive naked dancing jungle tribals before Europeans and Arabs civilized them (not very sucessful LOL). Indians have a civilization of their own, so why get into Wakanda business? That is because Indians have a superiority complex. Many Afrocentrists try to claim India as black to expropriate our civilization and culture for their sick lies and fantasies. After all they have no substantial history to show. But why would a White guy like pharoah do this is very surprising.
    Indian preference for stars who are more Caucasian looking and fair skinned does not have much to do with Persians/ Mughals or British. It is just that we Indians find these looks more attractive among ourselves. Even if Europeans or Turks/Iranians never ever existed, most Indians would make the same choices and have similar preference. No Indians considers them foreigners but Indians 100%. If this diseased monkey calling himself pharoah goes and tells Indians taxi drivers on the streets of Mumbai, that our Bollywood celebrities are not Indian, they would laugh so hard, they would burst some organ. Then they would dump his smelly ass in some mental asylum. India is one of the few countries where foreign Hollywood movies hardly make it to the 10 ten charts, which are dominated by local movies. Not many countries can say the same about their box office. If Indians wanted to see White people, they would just watch foreign movies or Bollywood would just hire European or Iranian/Turkish etc.. actors/ actresses. This has never worked, most foreign actors suceed only in side roles. Indian people want good looking Indian people as their stars. There is nothing wierd about it. And I many of my freinds are even more "Caucasian looking" than bollywood stars. I have relatives who look more Caucasian than Bollywood stars. LOL.

    the Aryan invaders were more like the people of the Pamir Mountains rather than Norwegians.
     
    Cannot say for sure. The Aryans came from Europe to Central Asia before coming South. The related genes in Europe are much older than those in Central Asia and obviously South Asia.

    Replies: @Pharaoh

  269. @Pharaoh
    @Malla


    From an European perspective, brown people are black.
     
    It was called Black Town, Calcutta not Brown Town. Malays, Mexicans, Arabs are brown. Indians are black.

    Every white-washed photo you post confirms my point, as much as the black hindu gods painted white by hindu nationalists do.

    Indians are a black race with some persian, afghan and central asian admixture in the northwest, and some tibeto-burman admixture in the northeast.

    Anyone can google the names you posted and see that you are a shameless liar. Couple examples:

    Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee, in the hospital:

    https://i0.wp.com/www.socialnews.xyz/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/09/9e245cbe41cecf87ec02f99fd193f3bf.jpg

    Jyoti Basu, on the left:

    https://images.outlookindia.com/public/uploads/gallery/20180813/somnath_8_20150803_402_602.jpg

    Replies: @Malla, @Malla

    for no one sees native hindus as whites or yellows

    Nobody claimed Indians are White or Yellow, you smelly retard. Indians are brown. Like our Prime Minister.

    Malays, Mexicans, Arabs are brown. Indians are black.

    What rubbish!! Indians are considered brown by everybody.

    You can keep on jabbering that “Indians are black” nonsens but Indians do not consider themselves black but brown and no it has nothing to do with self loathing, it is plain common sense. Anybody who has visited India and seen the diversity in looks will agree that Indians should fall in the brown category and that India has had a SUBSTANTIAL Caucasian genetic infusion in the past. And Hindu fundamentalists do not kowtow to nazis. Black Africans do not have the diversity of looks Indian subcontinentals have. Stop making a fool of yourself and looking like an ignorant low IQ monkey.

    Anyone can google the names you posted and see that you are a shameless liar.

    LOL, I encourage everybody on Unz to go on Google and check out pics of Jyoti Basu and come to their conclusion if he looks like an African. LOL. What this low IQ monkey calling himself Pahroah LOL does not realise is that exposure to the sun can make a drastic change in many Indian people’s skin tone (me included). In such cases, their darker skin is not their natural skin colour.

    Hardtalk India Budhadeb Bhattacharya

    • Replies: @Pharaoh
    @Malla


    You can keep on jabbering that “Indians are black” nonsens but Indians do not consider themselves black but brown and no it has nothing to do with self loathing
     
    Why do you think your aboriginal ancestors depicted their deities, Rama, Krishna, Hanuman etc as black? For the same reason the British painted Jesus as white skinned, blue-eyed and blond-haired (even though he was a black haired, brown eyed and brown skinned middle-easterner). It's called anthropomorphism.

    What so strange and ridiculous about you Hitler-loving hindu right-wingers is that you now paint your black gods white. Why do you do it? Why don't you answer that question?

    Perhaps you all imagine it will endear you to the neo-nazis aka badwhites in the rich and strong West? You do seem to spend all your time here singing the glories of the British Empire, Nazi Germany and the nordic race in general, while hating on your fellow hindus with an obscene passion. That's pure self-loathing.

    Replies: @Malla

    , @Pharaoh
    @Malla

    Anyone can watch free documentaries of India on YouTube, which will blow away all your photoshopped pictures of outliers and Bollywood stars you foolishly keep wasting your time on.

    Here for example is a documentary on the greatest Indian mathematician of the modern age, Ramanujan. It is not Bollywood escapism, or an attempt to paint false pictures about India. It is reality:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhNGCn_3hmc

    Replies: @Malla, @Malla

  270. @Kuru
    @Malla


    This pharaoh guys is an idiot.
     
    He does however have a point regarding those Bollywood film stars being phenotypic outliers as far as India is concerned, they are perhaps more representitive of the Pakistani population but only by a certain degree, as many have Pashtun ancestry. Old school Bollwood was dominated by Hindko speakers, whose origins lie in the North-West Frontier Province.

    But anyway, I can only slightly understand the wewuzzery of white nationalists when it comes to Ancient India, the Aryan invaders were more like the people of the Pamir Mountains rather than Norwegians.

    https://i.imgur.com/PqZiz1U.jpg

    Replies: @Malla

    He does however have a point regarding those Bollywood film stars being phenotypic outliers as far as India is concerned

    No he is not. Come to India and stay for a while. You will find many people who look like Bollywood stars especially among the upper castes and upper and middle classes. I have seen Bollywood looking people in villages in the middle of India. A lot of them. We Indians accept this diversity as Indians. Dont listen to this low IQ idiot. Come and see it for yourself.
    Pakistanis look a bit more Caucasian on average then Indians but not that much. There is a Caucasian variation from the North to the South of the subcontinent and from Upper castes to lower castes, but I have seen and know many hardcore Caucasian looking South Indians too. You have to live in India for some time to know this. India is basically a kind of Brazil for the last 8000 years. This pharoah chap is just making a fool of himself that is all. Any Indian will laugh at his bullshit. And Indians having self loathing is bullshit. LMFAO Indians actually have toooo much self esteem about their race and achievements (many of them made up). This is one quality Indians have in common with Blacks, Blacks have their crackpot Afrocentrist Wakanda, Hindus have their Hindutva Wakanda. But I do not get why Indians do this. Blacks bantu Africans were primitive naked dancing jungle tribals before Europeans and Arabs civilized them (not very sucessful LOL). Indians have a civilization of their own, so why get into Wakanda business? That is because Indians have a superiority complex. Many Afrocentrists try to claim India as black to expropriate our civilization and culture for their sick lies and fantasies. After all they have no substantial history to show. But why would a White guy like pharoah do this is very surprising.
    Indian preference for stars who are more Caucasian looking and fair skinned does not have much to do with Persians/ Mughals or British. It is just that we Indians find these looks more attractive among ourselves. Even if Europeans or Turks/Iranians never ever existed, most Indians would make the same choices and have similar preference. No Indians considers them foreigners but Indians 100%. If this diseased monkey calling himself pharoah goes and tells Indians taxi drivers on the streets of Mumbai, that our Bollywood celebrities are not Indian, they would laugh so hard, they would burst some organ. Then they would dump his smelly ass in some mental asylum. India is one of the few countries where foreign Hollywood movies hardly make it to the 10 ten charts, which are dominated by local movies. Not many countries can say the same about their box office. If Indians wanted to see White people, they would just watch foreign movies or Bollywood would just hire European or Iranian/Turkish etc.. actors/ actresses. This has never worked, most foreign actors suceed only in side roles. Indian people want good looking Indian people as their stars. There is nothing wierd about it. And I many of my freinds are even more “Caucasian looking” than bollywood stars. I have relatives who look more Caucasian than Bollywood stars. LOL.

    the Aryan invaders were more like the people of the Pamir Mountains rather than Norwegians.

    Cannot say for sure. The Aryans came from Europe to Central Asia before coming South. The related genes in Europe are much older than those in Central Asia and obviously South Asia.

    • Replies: @Pharaoh
    @Malla

    'Missile Man of India', Abdul Kalam (on left with Modi):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:APJ_Abdul_Kalam_2015_stamp_of_India.jpg

    https://static.theprint.in/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Narendra-Modi-Abdul-Kalam.jpg


    India's 'Rocket Man', K Sivan:

    https://static.theprint.in/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ISRO.jpg

    Replies: @Malla

  271. @Pharaoh
    @Malla


    From an European perspective, brown people are black.
     
    It was called Black Town, Calcutta not Brown Town. Malays, Mexicans, Arabs are brown. Indians are black.

    Every white-washed photo you post confirms my point, as much as the black hindu gods painted white by hindu nationalists do.

    Indians are a black race with some persian, afghan and central asian admixture in the northwest, and some tibeto-burman admixture in the northeast.

    Anyone can google the names you posted and see that you are a shameless liar. Couple examples:

    Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee, in the hospital:

    https://i0.wp.com/www.socialnews.xyz/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/09/9e245cbe41cecf87ec02f99fd193f3bf.jpg

    Jyoti Basu, on the left:

    https://images.outlookindia.com/public/uploads/gallery/20180813/somnath_8_20150803_402_602.jpg

    Replies: @Malla, @Malla

    Indians are a black race with some persian, afghan and central asian admixture in the northwest, and some tibeto-burman admixture in the northeast.

    What bullshit. There is enormous diversity of looks throughtout the subcontinent. And Indians is basically a Caucasoid Australoid mix race.

    From: Reconstructing Indian population history David Reich, Kumarasamy Thangaraj, Nick Patterson, Alkes L. Price & Lalji Singh Nature volume 461, pages489–494 (2009)
    “We analyse 25 diverse groups in India to provide strong evidence for two ancient populations, genetically divergent, that are ancestral to most Indians today. One, the “Ancestral North Indians” (ANI), is genetically close to Middle Easterners, Central Asians, and Europeans, whereas the other, the “Ancestral South Indians” (ASI), is as distinct from ANI and East Asians as they are from each other. By introducing methods that can estimate ancestry without accurate ancestral populations, we show that ANI ancestry ranges from 39-71% in most Indian groups, and is higher in traditionally upper caste and Indo-European speakers. Groups with only ASI ancestry may no longer exist in mainland India. However, the Andamanese are an ASI-related group without ANI ancestry, showing that the peopling of the islands must have occurred before ANI-ASI gene flow on the mainland. ”

    Thus we see Europeans—> Ancestral North Indians —> Pathans/Pastuns of Afghanistan—-> Vaish (Upper Caste Hindu Vaishnavs, worshippers of Lord Vishnu)—-> Megahwals (Lower Castes)—–> Bhil (Jungle tribals)—–> Ancestral South Indians (extinct)—–> Onge Australoids (Extinct in pure form in Indian mainland. Cousins found in Papua New Guinea/Australia/ female side of South East Asians etc…)
    Thus basically the original pure Australoid population (like Australian Aborigines) have totally disappeared in its pure form in India and all those primitive natives have got Caucasoid ancestry in them, even the jungle tribals have some of that DNA but less than say upper caste Hindus.

    From: Metspalu et al. “Shared and Unique Components of Human Population Structure and Genome-Wide Signals of Positive Selection in South Asia”. Am J Hum Genet, 2011.
    “Linguistic and genetic studies have shown that most Indian groups have ancestry from two genetically divergent populations, Ancestral North Indians (ANI) and Ancestral South Indians (ASI). However, the date of mixture still remains unknown. We analyze genome-wide data from about 60 South Asian groups using a newly developed method that utilizes information related to admixture linkage disequilibrium to estimate mixture dates. Our analyses suggest that major ANI-ASI mixture occurred in the ancestors of both northern and southern Indians 1,200-3,500 years ago, overlapping the time when Indo-European languages first began to be spoken in the subcontinent. These results suggest that this formative period of Indian history was accompanied by mixtures between two highly diverged populations, although our results do not rule out other, older ANI-ASI admixture events. A cultural shift subsequently led to widespread endogamy, which decreased the rate of additional population mixtures.”

    From: Moorjani et al. “Estimating a date of mixture of ancestral South Asian populations”, Evolutionary and Population Genetics, 2012.
    “The paper provides an overview of the spatial and temporal aspects of human morphological variation in India. Four morphological types — Australoids, Negritos, Mongoloids and Caucasoids — have been discerned in the contemporary Indian population. The Australoids appear to be the oldest and have evolved in India. The Caucasoids are physically heterogeneous and suggests incorporation of more than one physical type involving more than one migration.
    That is there have been multiple distinct migrations/invasions of Caucasoids into the Indian subcontinent such as Iranian farmers, Aryans, Scythians etc… and mixing for the last 8000 to 11000 years.

  272. @Malla
    @Pharaoh


    for no one sees native hindus as whites or yellows
     
    Nobody claimed Indians are White or Yellow, you smelly retard. Indians are brown. Like our Prime Minister.

    https://i.ndtvimg.com/i/2015-10/narendra-modi-twitter_650x400_61446009241.jpg

    https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5c35313e2200003309dfd031.jpeg

    Malays, Mexicans, Arabs are brown. Indians are black.
     
    What rubbish!! Indians are considered brown by everybody.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Stoddard_race_map_1920.jpg

    You can keep on jabbering that "Indians are black" nonsens but Indians do not consider themselves black but brown and no it has nothing to do with self loathing, it is plain common sense. Anybody who has visited India and seen the diversity in looks will agree that Indians should fall in the brown category and that India has had a SUBSTANTIAL Caucasian genetic infusion in the past. And Hindu fundamentalists do not kowtow to nazis. Black Africans do not have the diversity of looks Indian subcontinentals have. Stop making a fool of yourself and looking like an ignorant low IQ monkey.

    Anyone can google the names you posted and see that you are a shameless liar.
     
    LOL, I encourage everybody on Unz to go on Google and check out pics of Jyoti Basu and come to their conclusion if he looks like an African. LOL. What this low IQ monkey calling himself Pahroah LOL does not realise is that exposure to the sun can make a drastic change in many Indian people's skin tone (me included). In such cases, their darker skin is not their natural skin colour.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUOQP5dUFrg
    Hardtalk India Budhadeb Bhattacharya

    Replies: @Pharaoh, @Pharaoh

    You can keep on jabbering that “Indians are black” nonsens but Indians do not consider themselves black but brown and no it has nothing to do with self loathing

    Why do you think your aboriginal ancestors depicted their deities, Rama, Krishna, Hanuman etc as black? For the same reason the British painted Jesus as white skinned, blue-eyed and blond-haired (even though he was a black haired, brown eyed and brown skinned middle-easterner). It’s called anthropomorphism.

    What so strange and ridiculous about you Hitler-loving hindu right-wingers is that you now paint your black gods white. Why do you do it? Why don’t you answer that question?

    Perhaps you all imagine it will endear you to the neo-nazis aka badwhites in the rich and strong West? You do seem to spend all your time here singing the glories of the British Empire, Nazi Germany and the nordic race in general, while hating on your fellow hindus with an obscene passion. That’s pure self-loathing.

    • Replies: @Malla
    @Pharaoh


    Why do you think your aboriginal ancestors depicted their deities, Rama, Krishna, Hanuman etc as black?
     
    What a prime grade crackpot.
    What rubbish, nobody is obsessed about the colour of our Gods except you (and Afrocentrists crackpots.).

    Hanuman is portrayed in many colours
    https://www.bhagwankiphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Green-Hanuman-Ji-Wallpaper-for-Android-Mobile.jpg

    Does this mean Hinduwadis want to have political relations with Green men?

    Here is a White Goddess killing a black demon.

    https://image.shutterstock.com/image-vector/goddess-durga-killing-demon-mahishasura-600w-714432430.jpg

    Perhaps you all imagine it will endear you to the neo-nazis aka badwhites in the rich and strong West?
     
    You are speaking bullshit. Hindu fundamentalists and Neo nazis have no major contact with each other. very different movements. The founder of the RSS was influenced by Fascism and National Socialism but only as examples nationalism and that is about it. Hindu Fundamentalists tend to be anti- British Empire , anti-Western and anti-Christian.
  273. @Malla
    @Pharaoh


    for no one sees native hindus as whites or yellows
     
    Nobody claimed Indians are White or Yellow, you smelly retard. Indians are brown. Like our Prime Minister.

    https://i.ndtvimg.com/i/2015-10/narendra-modi-twitter_650x400_61446009241.jpg

    https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5c35313e2200003309dfd031.jpeg

    Malays, Mexicans, Arabs are brown. Indians are black.
     
    What rubbish!! Indians are considered brown by everybody.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Stoddard_race_map_1920.jpg

    You can keep on jabbering that "Indians are black" nonsens but Indians do not consider themselves black but brown and no it has nothing to do with self loathing, it is plain common sense. Anybody who has visited India and seen the diversity in looks will agree that Indians should fall in the brown category and that India has had a SUBSTANTIAL Caucasian genetic infusion in the past. And Hindu fundamentalists do not kowtow to nazis. Black Africans do not have the diversity of looks Indian subcontinentals have. Stop making a fool of yourself and looking like an ignorant low IQ monkey.

    Anyone can google the names you posted and see that you are a shameless liar.
     
    LOL, I encourage everybody on Unz to go on Google and check out pics of Jyoti Basu and come to their conclusion if he looks like an African. LOL. What this low IQ monkey calling himself Pahroah LOL does not realise is that exposure to the sun can make a drastic change in many Indian people's skin tone (me included). In such cases, their darker skin is not their natural skin colour.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUOQP5dUFrg
    Hardtalk India Budhadeb Bhattacharya

    Replies: @Pharaoh, @Pharaoh

    Anyone can watch free documentaries of India on YouTube, which will blow away all your photoshopped pictures of outliers and Bollywood stars you foolishly keep wasting your time on.

    Here for example is a documentary on the greatest Indian mathematician of the modern age, Ramanujan. It is not Bollywood escapism, or an attempt to paint false pictures about India. It is reality:

    • Replies: @Malla
    @Pharaoh


    outliers
     
    Outliners? LOL. Who describes them as outliners? A foreigner like you. No Indian looks at them as outliners but part of a continuum of looks of Indians. No Indian looks at them as Europeans or Iranians etc..LOL. If you go to the streets of India and tell that our Bollywood stars are outliners or "not Indians", the whole street will burst out laughing. Then they would bundle you up and throw you to the nearest mental hospital, where you belong. Come on, try it.
    If Indians wanted White people, they could have hired Europeans/ Turks/Iranians etc.. to play main roles in Bollywood movies. It has been tried, but never worked. Indians want to see the most good looking Indians in their movies in main roles at least, that is normal. Indeed India is one country where Hollywood hardly leaves a mark in our Box Office top ten grossing lists when competing with local Bollywood movies. Not many countries can do that. If there would have been blind White worship in India, this would be impossible, this itself proves that you are full of bullshit. A lot of elderly Indians I know, do not like watching Hollywood/ foreign movies and they say they cannot relate to "foreign people" but they watch our European looking Bollywood stars all the time and relate. They are considered fellow Indians, 10000% by all Indians. Indians come in diversity of looks and they do not become outliners because they do not follow your pet imagined up patterns. LOL
    , @Malla
    @Pharaoh


    photoshopped pictures
     
    WTF, these are videos....OK....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhjUfvpE7ZE

    The actor in this video is extremely dark skinned, so why was he not "White washed"? He is dark skinned but has strong Caucasoid features. Since he is the main actor, it is he who should have been the one to be "Whitewashed", but there are many in that room way fairer than him. Check out the diversity of looks and skin colour of people in the room. Many of the guys are way fairer than the actor. The guy sitting on the left of the woman is dark skinned but has strong Caucasoid features. So did they forget to "White wash" him???
    Indians are very diverse in looks as we are a mixture of many races.

    One More
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHH6EfstiXw

    The girl is dark skinned compared to the guy she meets. Why was she not "Whitewashed"? Check out how dark she is compared to the guy at 2:51 minutes, so did they forget to "White-wash" her? LOL. There are many examples like this.

    Indians have great diversity in looks. For example this is an advert for India's most popular Washing powder back from the 80s I guess, a local Indian company.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpj2qkaE7YQ

    We see diversity of looks. This advert was directed at India's middle classes (Upper classes used foreign brands in those days, so they were not the target market), so they want to include diverse types of looks of Indians. From 0.26 seconds to 0.33 seconds, they show women putting washing powder in their buckets for washing. The first three women are dark skinned women while the fourth woman is fair skinned. Diversity of India.
  274. @Malla
    @Kuru


    He does however have a point regarding those Bollywood film stars being phenotypic outliers as far as India is concerned
     
    No he is not. Come to India and stay for a while. You will find many people who look like Bollywood stars especially among the upper castes and upper and middle classes. I have seen Bollywood looking people in villages in the middle of India. A lot of them. We Indians accept this diversity as Indians. Dont listen to this low IQ idiot. Come and see it for yourself.
    Pakistanis look a bit more Caucasian on average then Indians but not that much. There is a Caucasian variation from the North to the South of the subcontinent and from Upper castes to lower castes, but I have seen and know many hardcore Caucasian looking South Indians too. You have to live in India for some time to know this. India is basically a kind of Brazil for the last 8000 years. This pharoah chap is just making a fool of himself that is all. Any Indian will laugh at his bullshit. And Indians having self loathing is bullshit. LMFAO Indians actually have toooo much self esteem about their race and achievements (many of them made up). This is one quality Indians have in common with Blacks, Blacks have their crackpot Afrocentrist Wakanda, Hindus have their Hindutva Wakanda. But I do not get why Indians do this. Blacks bantu Africans were primitive naked dancing jungle tribals before Europeans and Arabs civilized them (not very sucessful LOL). Indians have a civilization of their own, so why get into Wakanda business? That is because Indians have a superiority complex. Many Afrocentrists try to claim India as black to expropriate our civilization and culture for their sick lies and fantasies. After all they have no substantial history to show. But why would a White guy like pharoah do this is very surprising.
    Indian preference for stars who are more Caucasian looking and fair skinned does not have much to do with Persians/ Mughals or British. It is just that we Indians find these looks more attractive among ourselves. Even if Europeans or Turks/Iranians never ever existed, most Indians would make the same choices and have similar preference. No Indians considers them foreigners but Indians 100%. If this diseased monkey calling himself pharoah goes and tells Indians taxi drivers on the streets of Mumbai, that our Bollywood celebrities are not Indian, they would laugh so hard, they would burst some organ. Then they would dump his smelly ass in some mental asylum. India is one of the few countries where foreign Hollywood movies hardly make it to the 10 ten charts, which are dominated by local movies. Not many countries can say the same about their box office. If Indians wanted to see White people, they would just watch foreign movies or Bollywood would just hire European or Iranian/Turkish etc.. actors/ actresses. This has never worked, most foreign actors suceed only in side roles. Indian people want good looking Indian people as their stars. There is nothing wierd about it. And I many of my freinds are even more "Caucasian looking" than bollywood stars. I have relatives who look more Caucasian than Bollywood stars. LOL.

    the Aryan invaders were more like the people of the Pamir Mountains rather than Norwegians.
     
    Cannot say for sure. The Aryans came from Europe to Central Asia before coming South. The related genes in Europe are much older than those in Central Asia and obviously South Asia.

    Replies: @Pharaoh

    ‘Missile Man of India’, Abdul Kalam (on left with Modi):

    India’s ‘Rocket Man’, K Sivan:

    • Replies: @Malla
    @Pharaoh

    Indians have a diversity of skin colours and looks, you stupid low IQ monkey.

    https://img.theweek.in/content/dam/week/news/india/images/2019/9/1/romila-thapar-ahlawat.jpg

    Dr. Romila Thapar, one of India's most respected historian. Anti-Hindutva. Marxist leanings.

    https://www.ritiriwaz.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Vikram-Sarabhai.jpg

    https://www.storypick.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/223.jpg

    Vikram Sarabhai – The Father Of India’s Space Program from Central Western India

    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/14B8/production/_110640350_1b9559a1-b05e-429b-8525-d24c09eea721.jpg

    S. Nambi Narayanan is one of the most respected Indian aerospace engineers who worked for the Indian Space Research Organisation. He was awarded the Padma Bhushan, the third-highest civilian award by the Government of India, in 2019. Mr. Narayan was instrumental in developing the Vikas engine that would be used for the first PSLV that India launched. He is Tamil Brahmin from SOUTH INDIA

    Yes, Indians are all black, LOL Now again challenge time. SHOW ME ONE PURE BLOODED AFRICAN OR AUSTRALIAN ABORIGINAL WHO CAN LOOK LIKE THE ABOVE. Either show or stop writing shit about things you know nothing about.

  275. Brahmin Priest in White House with the first black President:

    Joint winners of the Spelling Bee 2019:

  276. @meh
    @showmethereal


    Serious guess is because of the potential length of a cricket match… It would take too long.
     
    There are different formats of cricket. There is the five day international test match, the 4 day first class match ("county cricket"), the 1 day international, and the T20 or twenty-twenty format which lasts, I think, about three hours, the same as baseball more or less.

    But baseball is a waste – not many countries play it.
     
    If by "not many" you mean Latin America, Caribbean, North America, East Asia, sure "not many" but by that metric a lot of other sports would be out too.

    Beach volleyball is another waste because you have “regular” volleyball already.
     
    We have multiple "events" within the same "sport," volleyball is no exception to this.

    Why is handball in? Sports are included that are popular in various regions.
     
    Handball is popular in Europe and Asia.

    I rather watch velodrome than baseball.
     
    Old Man Yells At Cloud.

    Replies: @showmethereal

    Baseball is taken serious in the US – Japan – Cuba – Dominican Republic – Panama – Puerto Rico – Venezuela. Marginally in South Korea and the ROC (Taiwan)…

  277. @Pharaoh
    @Malla


    You can keep on jabbering that “Indians are black” nonsens but Indians do not consider themselves black but brown and no it has nothing to do with self loathing
     
    Why do you think your aboriginal ancestors depicted their deities, Rama, Krishna, Hanuman etc as black? For the same reason the British painted Jesus as white skinned, blue-eyed and blond-haired (even though he was a black haired, brown eyed and brown skinned middle-easterner). It's called anthropomorphism.

    What so strange and ridiculous about you Hitler-loving hindu right-wingers is that you now paint your black gods white. Why do you do it? Why don't you answer that question?

    Perhaps you all imagine it will endear you to the neo-nazis aka badwhites in the rich and strong West? You do seem to spend all your time here singing the glories of the British Empire, Nazi Germany and the nordic race in general, while hating on your fellow hindus with an obscene passion. That's pure self-loathing.

    Replies: @Malla

    Why do you think your aboriginal ancestors depicted their deities, Rama, Krishna, Hanuman etc as black?

    What a prime grade crackpot.
    What rubbish, nobody is obsessed about the colour of our Gods except you (and Afrocentrists crackpots.).

    Hanuman is portrayed in many colours

    Does this mean Hinduwadis want to have political relations with Green men?

    Here is a White Goddess killing a black demon.

    Perhaps you all imagine it will endear you to the neo-nazis aka badwhites in the rich and strong West?

    You are speaking bullshit. Hindu fundamentalists and Neo nazis have no major contact with each other. very different movements. The founder of the RSS was influenced by Fascism and National Socialism but only as examples nationalism and that is about it. Hindu Fundamentalists tend to be anti- British Empire , anti-Western and anti-Christian.

  278. @Pharaoh
    @Malla

    'Missile Man of India', Abdul Kalam (on left with Modi):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:APJ_Abdul_Kalam_2015_stamp_of_India.jpg

    https://static.theprint.in/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Narendra-Modi-Abdul-Kalam.jpg


    India's 'Rocket Man', K Sivan:

    https://static.theprint.in/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ISRO.jpg

    Replies: @Malla

    Indians have a diversity of skin colours and looks, you stupid low IQ monkey.

    Dr. Romila Thapar, one of India’s most respected historian. Anti-Hindutva. Marxist leanings.

    Vikram Sarabhai – The Father Of India’s Space Program from Central Western India

    S. Nambi Narayanan is one of the most respected Indian aerospace engineers who worked for the Indian Space Research Organisation. He was awarded the Padma Bhushan, the third-highest civilian award by the Government of India, in 2019. Mr. Narayan was instrumental in developing the Vikas engine that would be used for the first PSLV that India launched. He is Tamil Brahmin from SOUTH INDIA

    Yes, Indians are all black, LOL Now again challenge time. SHOW ME ONE PURE BLOODED AFRICAN OR AUSTRALIAN ABORIGINAL WHO CAN LOOK LIKE THE ABOVE. Either show or stop writing shit about things you know nothing about.

  279. @Pharaoh
    @Malla

    Anyone can watch free documentaries of India on YouTube, which will blow away all your photoshopped pictures of outliers and Bollywood stars you foolishly keep wasting your time on.

    Here for example is a documentary on the greatest Indian mathematician of the modern age, Ramanujan. It is not Bollywood escapism, or an attempt to paint false pictures about India. It is reality:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhNGCn_3hmc

    Replies: @Malla, @Malla

    outliers

    Outliners? LOL. Who describes them as outliners? A foreigner like you. No Indian looks at them as outliners but part of a continuum of looks of Indians. No Indian looks at them as Europeans or Iranians etc..LOL. If you go to the streets of India and tell that our Bollywood stars are outliners or “not Indians”, the whole street will burst out laughing. Then they would bundle you up and throw you to the nearest mental hospital, where you belong. Come on, try it.
    If Indians wanted White people, they could have hired Europeans/ Turks/Iranians etc.. to play main roles in Bollywood movies. It has been tried, but never worked. Indians want to see the most good looking Indians in their movies in main roles at least, that is normal. Indeed India is one country where Hollywood hardly leaves a mark in our Box Office top ten grossing lists when competing with local Bollywood movies. Not many countries can do that. If there would have been blind White worship in India, this would be impossible, this itself proves that you are full of bullshit. A lot of elderly Indians I know, do not like watching Hollywood/ foreign movies and they say they cannot relate to “foreign people” but they watch our European looking Bollywood stars all the time and relate. They are considered fellow Indians, 10000% by all Indians. Indians come in diversity of looks and they do not become outliners because they do not follow your pet imagined up patterns. LOL

  280. @Pharaoh
    @Malla

    Anyone can watch free documentaries of India on YouTube, which will blow away all your photoshopped pictures of outliers and Bollywood stars you foolishly keep wasting your time on.

    Here for example is a documentary on the greatest Indian mathematician of the modern age, Ramanujan. It is not Bollywood escapism, or an attempt to paint false pictures about India. It is reality:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhNGCn_3hmc

    Replies: @Malla, @Malla

    photoshopped pictures

    WTF, these are videos….OK….

    The actor in this video is extremely dark skinned, so why was he not “White washed”? He is dark skinned but has strong Caucasoid features. Since he is the main actor, it is he who should have been the one to be “Whitewashed”, but there are many in that room way fairer than him. Check out the diversity of looks and skin colour of people in the room. Many of the guys are way fairer than the actor. The guy sitting on the left of the woman is dark skinned but has strong Caucasoid features. So did they forget to “White wash” him???
    Indians are very diverse in looks as we are a mixture of many races.

    One More

    The girl is dark skinned compared to the guy she meets. Why was she not “Whitewashed”? Check out how dark she is compared to the guy at 2:51 minutes, so did they forget to “White-wash” her? LOL. There are many examples like this.

    Indians have great diversity in looks. For example this is an advert for India’s most popular Washing powder back from the 80s I guess, a local Indian company.

    We see diversity of looks. This advert was directed at India’s middle classes (Upper classes used foreign brands in those days, so they were not the target market), so they want to include diverse types of looks of Indians. From 0.26 seconds to 0.33 seconds, they show women putting washing powder in their buckets for washing. The first three women are dark skinned women while the fourth woman is fair skinned. Diversity of India.

  281. @Malla
    @Che Guava


    We should have adopted cricket
     
    Cricket is the best, most exciting sport ever. Yall who are not into cricket yet, I pity you all, yall do not know what you guys are missing.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=befrJ0WFQoU

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONbqHX0trKo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtVorJAhxzA

    Replies: @Che Guava

    I only have one other thing to say, nothing is beating a test or three-match, even if tactics are boring at times.

    One-day, top-level, also OK. tactics still important.

    20.20, yes it is fun to see, but not tactics and strategy.

    Of course still much more exciting than a baseball game.

    Assuming you read this, I would appreciate to hear your own thoughts.

    • Replies: @Malla
    @Che Guava

    I agree. What you wrote is accurate.
    Test match is REAL CRICKET, where cricketers hone their skills to play later in other formats. Test matches are to one day internationals what Classical Music is to Pop Music.

  282. @Che Guava
    @Malla

    I only have one other thing to say, nothing is beating a test or three-match, even if tactics are boring at times.

    One-day, top-level, also OK. tactics still important.

    20.20, yes it is fun to see, but not tactics and strategy.

    Of course still much more exciting than a baseball game.

    Assuming you read this, I would appreciate to hear your own thoughts.

    Replies: @Malla

    I agree. What you wrote is accurate.
    Test match is REAL CRICKET, where cricketers hone their skills to play later in other formats. Test matches are to one day internationals what Classical Music is to Pop Music.

    • Thanks: Che Guava

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