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From the New York Times news section:
Victor Hugo Statue Takes a Prominent Place in France’s Debate on Race
After a restoration darkened the hue of a statue at the birthplace of the French writer, complaints ensued — then vandalism.
By Catherine Porter
Dec. 31, 2022BESANÇON, France — The statue of Victor Hugo has loomed outside the city hall of his birthplace, situated on the Esplanade for Human Rights, since 2003, his white beard knotty, his black suit rumpled, his face cast down at his pocket watch.
Over the years, the colored bronze began to fade, turning to brown and green, until the mayor’s office recently hired an expert to do a restoration.
And that is when the seemingly unremarkable refurbishment of a statue turned into another controversy in France about race, identity and the importation of American “woke” ideas about racial injustice — what the French call “le wokisme.”
The city hall’s Facebook site announced the statue had been restored to reflect the original work by the celebrated Senegalese sculptor Ousmane Sow, who, it said, liked color and was not keen on “simple bronzes.” The comments rolled in, some positive, others critical with one focus — the color of Hugo’s skin.
“We’ve gone from Victor Hugo to Morgan Freeman,” wrote one commentator.
This being the New York Times, none of the nine photos accompanying the article show what the recent colorization that so many Frenchmen objected to looked like. That would be too interesting. Instead, NYT subscribers want their articles to be blandly reassuring.
But I quickly found a picture and it’s a doozy. From News in France, here’s the statue before and after its colorization:
But you can’t show a picture like that in the NYT because it would be counter-Narrative.
It appears that the foundry (or somebody) decided to colorize the two-decade old statue of Hugo to make it look like the African sculptor. Here’s the late sculptor with his original version:
But here’s what it looked like after it was recently colorized:
Mr. Sow, who was often called the Auguste Rodin of Senegal, died in 2016. A reporter from the Besançon newspaper called Béatrice Soulé, Mr. Sow’s widowed partner in Dakar, Senegal’s capital.
She agreed that the restoration was flawed, saying that the statue “looks like a Black Victor Hugo, which was never Ousmane’s intention.”
In a later interview with The New York Times, Ms. Soulé said that perhaps she spoke too freely. “It was a sentence I should never have spoken,” she said. “And it let off a powder keg.”
I am fascinated by how the reporter from the New York Times evidently chastised the widow for having previously given a clear, honest quote instead of appropriately obfuscated wokeness. Traditionally, reporters try to get interview subjects to give them truthful and vivid quotes. But in 2022, the NYT prefers that the people they interview try to walk back their truthful and vivid quotes when what they said undermines The Narrative.
After another attempt at restoration, the color of the statue was returned to what Ms. Soulé considered “magnificent” and an “exact replica of the original,” which reflected a man of light-brown skin. But what might have been forgiven as part of a complicated restoration process — and quietly corrected — was immediately sucked up into an ugly, protracted battle over social media.
What did Victor Hugo actually look like? Did he have “light-brown skin”?
Wasn’t there a famous 19th French bestseller author who was part black from Haiti?
Yes. Yes, there was.
But — and follow me closely here — that writer wasn’t, technically speaking, Victor Hugo, author of the The Hunchback of Notre Dame. It was, instead, Hugo’s friend and rival Alexandre Dumas, author of The Three Musketeers.
So, by process of association, that must mean Hugo was sort of a mulatto too.
Except, he wasn’t. In contrast to Dumas, here’s an 1825 painting of Hugo at age 23:
Am I accusing the New York Times of having gotten Hugo and Dumas a little bit confused?
Right-wing politicians accused the city’s Green party mayor of literally trying to paint her politically correct views onto a French hero.
“Just how far will #wokisme and stupidity go?” Max Brisson, a senator with the center-right party, Les Républicains, wrote on Twitter.
National radio and newspapers picked up the story.
The town hall’s switchboard was flooded by so many furious calls it was shut down.
Two nights after the town hall’s initial Facebook post, masked men vandalized the statue, repainting Victor Hugo’s face “a beautiful white color,” as they called it online, adding that it was now “truly French, truly from Besançon.” On the photograph they took of their work, they added a Celtic cross and the words “white power.”
In English. Even in France when it comes to a French literary titan, protesters write their slogans in English for the American news media’s cameras.
Unlike in the United States and other Western countries, statues in France were never toppled after George Floyd’s murder in 2020 in Minneapolis and the global Black Lives Matter protests that ensued. President Emmanuel Macron of France rejected the idea, stating instead that the country would “look at all of our history together with lucidity.”
However, many high-profile intellectuals, academics and members of Mr. Macron’s government have viscerally rejected the progressive systemic theories on race, gender and post-colonialism as American imports that undermine French society, which considers itself colorblind.
“We are in denial of our colonial history,” said Fabrice Riceputi, a historian in Besançon who specializes on the country’s troubled colonial history in Algeria, which ended 60 years ago after a brutal war of independence that left 500,000 dead by French estimates, and 1.5 million by Algerian ones.
These rightwing racists are trying to cover up the fact that Hugo’s grandparents were born in the colony of Haiti.
Oh, wait, let me check Wikipedia first. Huh, what do you know? That was Dumas, not Hugo.
Never mind.
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“You Dumas” – Butthead
It’s official.
We are now ruled by madmen.
But as Christianity has declined it has also become a way for millions of people--particularly for women, especially young women without children--to demonstrate their narrative compliance, virtue and goodness. Really a substitute religion.
Broken record, but I think we have come to point where sane normies are just going to have to demand the right to their nations. In other words--separation.
People can choose their flag, and rainbow (minoritarian) enclaves can be setup for these people to worship their god--diversity--and beat their breast and bask in their virtue. But there is no living with these people and maintaining a normal healthy nation/civilization.Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Nico
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The entire 'West' has been thoroughly Anglicized. What we are living through, this nightmare, is the natural, inevitable end result of the the life span of WASP culture. It is the Brit WSP and Yank WASP elites who have fostered all this and forced down the throats off everyone over whom the rule -0 and that includes all of Western Europe.
The Anglo-Zionist Empire is Oceania.
“Fabrice Riceputi, a historian in Besançon who specializes on the country’s troubled colonial history in Algeria, which ended 60 years ago after a brutal war of independence that left 500,000 dead by French estimates, and 1.5 million by Algerian ones.”
What does Algeria have to do with Victor Hugo, a town on the Swiss border and a Senegalese sculptor, again? Or are we just brainstorming bad things the French did to non-whites?
Hotel Arbez - A Hotel With Half In Switzerland And Half In France
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/541f1945e4b0504622498e24/1533008226021-HGDQFOXDBBE284VTJKDD/France-Switzerland%2C+Hotel+Arbez+Map.png
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XWqnWcMaS5c
A bit longer video, with a cute Nazi anecdote at 3:48:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KdY5EUYQpyQ&feature=emb_logo
And that is what is wrong with European colonialism.Replies: @Peter Lund, @Curmudgeon, @Colin Wright
What does Algeria have to do with Victor Hugo, a town on the Swiss border and a Senegalese sculptor, again? Or are we just brainstorming bad things the French did to non-whites?Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Mr. Anon, @Kim
Hugo aside, the Évian Accords which led to Algeria’s independence were negotiated in the Hôtel Arbez Franco-Suisse, through which the French-Swiss border runs:
Hotel Arbez – A Hotel With Half In Switzerland And Half In France
A bit longer video, with a cute Nazi anecdote at 3:48:
Steve, I think this might be the real Victor Dumas:
I suppose you could say it was a misérable restoration but from pictures the work on the statue is closer to vandalism. Cultural appropriation to be sure.
The war in Algeria was with Arabs and Berbers not really related to color so much as religion and culture and if there’s one lesson the French should have learned from Algeria it’s this- there’s nothing wrong with protecting your history and culture. Charles Martel would approve.
I don't hear too many Algerians complaining about the resulting decrease in diversity.Replies: @Art Deco
Algeria should have hammered home the point: "Separate peoples, separate nations." De Galle, cut it loose and brought the French home ... but then later France let the Arabs and Berbers follow! Insanity.
What does Algeria have to do with Victor Hugo, a town on the Swiss border and a Senegalese sculptor, again? Or are we just brainstorming bad things the French did to non-whites?Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Mr. Anon, @Kim
Soccer riots and Car-BQs in the Banlieues suggest that it didn’t end 60 years ago, but is still going on today.
...but will it end (as was the case with the > 1 million French expelled from Algeria) with the expulsion of each and every Algerian of the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th (etc) generation)?
Well, the “cheese-eating surrender monkeys” are fighting harder than we are.
Tisk tisk
Was Lucille Ball black?
Don't sculptors learn about the head size/body size proportions of say, actual human biology?
Making this funny, also very smart woman, into to metal goblin is very disrespectful.
That should be melted down and done over correctly.
(Side note: my late father claimed that in the 30s, while in the military in San Diego, he helped Lucille Ball leave a boarding house with her luggage by sneaking down a fire escape to avoid payment. She was just beginning her career and my Dad would have stayed in a boarding house there. I never got much detail but he claimed this happened.)Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Colin Wright
OT:
I came across this article:
Out-of-Wedlock Births Rise Worldwide
https://archive-yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/out-wedlock-births-rise-worldwide
One thing that puzzles me is the huge, I mean astronomical, difference in the proportion of Out-of-Wedlock births between Asia and rest of the world (I am leaving out Africa as being data deficient). I have not seen any discussion on this curiosity. Surely, this will have a huge (and unforeseeable) impact on how the world may look like in 2050 and beyond.
Of course, some of those hippie-marriages shaded into non-marriage and abandonment over time, but then that happened to some certified marriages too.
In some (all?) of the countries toward the bottom of the list, an out-of-wedlock birth signifies the mother is a skank and therefore fair game for any man's sexual advances, so women are more punctilious about getting a ring on it before setting seed.Replies: @epebble
Looks like in a few of the countries, no one is getting legally married anymore. Maybe a tax thing?
It ain’t just the NYT, and it ain’t just walking back the truth. They’d prefer to get full-throated denunciations of The Enemy and full-throated endorsements of The Narrative whenever they can, but most people prefer to speak in measured terms, especially when they are recanting something they already said. So then the heresy-sniffers at the NYT et al. have to settle for a mere “walk back”.
And even these modest recantations are often suspect.
I presume the NYT is not discussing the usual New Year`s news, from France, namely rioting and car burning?
https://www.fdesouche.com/2023/01/01/reveillon-du-nouvel-an-tirs-de-mortiers-cocktails-molotov-vehicules-brules-et-incendies-partout-en-france-une-caserne-de-gendarmerie-attaquee-un-foyer-dhebergement-pour-enfants-incendie/
Even got a mortar in there.
Why do the French do these things? It is a mystery.
Am I accusing the New York Times of having gotten Hugo and Dumas a little bit confused?</i
I think you are giving them far too much credit. Had Dumas never existed , they would be doing exactly the same thing. This is not confusion, it's malice.
What’s with the idea of painting over bronze statues anyway? You start with something dignified (even if it’s oxidized) and end up with a lawn jockey. Might as well have hung a lantern from old Victor’s hand.
We are now ruled by madmen.Replies: @AnotherDad, @HammerJack, @Shamu, @BB753
This toxic minoritarian cancer is an original creation of American Jews to narratively break America from “good” to “bad … and in need of our restructuring services”. (The French are certainly right to identify it as a toxic American import.) One that dovetails very well with the expansion of state power and is ergo eagerly lapped up by statist parasites.
But as Christianity has declined it has also become a way for millions of people–particularly for women, especially young women without children–to demonstrate their narrative compliance, virtue and goodness. Really a substitute religion.
Broken record, but I think we have come to point where sane normies are just going to have to demand the right to their nations. In other words–separation.
People can choose their flag, and rainbow (minoritarian) enclaves can be setup for these people to worship their god–diversity–and beat their breast and bask in their virtue. But there is no living with these people and maintaining a normal healthy nation/civilization.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-pride-parade-kiev-lgbt-a8971371.html
https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2019/06/23/17/gettyimages-1157741195.jpgReplies: @AnotherDad
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Did Ronald Reagan transition?
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Back in Art History class, I used to wonder how sculptors could have gone from the naturalism and perfection of the high Greco-Roman era to the malshapen awkwardness of late Roman decadence.
Did they forget how to sculpt? Did they lose touch with what reality looked like?
I still wonder, even as I now watch it happen in real time.
Byzantine stuff has its charms. Some of the icons have psychological and metaphysical charge.Replies: @Colin Wright
I came across this article:
Out-of-Wedlock Births Rise Worldwide
https://archive-yaleglobal.yale.edu/sites/default/files/images/chamie-chartPicture1-500px858.png
https://archive-yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/out-wedlock-births-rise-worldwide
One thing that puzzles me is the huge, I mean astronomical, difference in the proportion of Out-of-Wedlock births between Asia and rest of the world (I am leaving out Africa as being data deficient). I have not seen any discussion on this curiosity. Surely, this will have a huge (and unforeseeable) impact on how the world may look like in 2050 and beyond.Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Peter Lund, @TWS, @Reg Cæsar, @Muggles
I can’t speak for all the countries on the chart, but in at least parts of Europe a chunk of those out-of-wedlock births are technical rather than practical. That is, after the Western Cultural Revolution of the late 1960s-1970s, a bunch of (especially northern) European couples said, “We don’t need a piece of paper from the government to sanctify our marriage!” and so didn’t bother to get one. But their kids still grew up in two-parent families which resembled married-parent households for all practical purposes.
Of course, some of those hippie-marriages shaded into non-marriage and abandonment over time, but then that happened to some certified marriages too.
In some (all?) of the countries toward the bottom of the list, an out-of-wedlock birth signifies the mother is a skank and therefore fair game for any man’s sexual advances, so women are more punctilious about getting a ring on it before setting seed.
I came across this article:
Out-of-Wedlock Births Rise Worldwide
https://archive-yaleglobal.yale.edu/sites/default/files/images/chamie-chartPicture1-500px858.png
https://archive-yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/out-wedlock-births-rise-worldwide
One thing that puzzles me is the huge, I mean astronomical, difference in the proportion of Out-of-Wedlock births between Asia and rest of the world (I am leaving out Africa as being data deficient). I have not seen any discussion on this curiosity. Surely, this will have a huge (and unforeseeable) impact on how the world may look like in 2050 and beyond.Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Peter Lund, @TWS, @Reg Cæsar, @Muggles
What matters is whether the children are born to stable couples, not whether those couples are officially married. I can assure you that the European ones are mostly stable couples that just don’t want to — or don’t bother to — get officially married.
That may be the case in Sweden or Finland, but not in the UK. These figures are from 2002, but I doubt they've improved.https://www.civitas.org.uk/archive/pubs/experiments.phpI would be surprised if there aren't similar, if perhaps less pronounced trends in the Nordic countries. It turns out that the piece of paper from the city hall DOES help keep you tied and true.Replies: @Colin Wright, @Peter Lund
But the loss of the "marriage" paradigm is indeed a huge loss socially. Your family may stay--or not--together regardless of legalities. But the marriage paradigm made family formation more considered and thoughtful--"do you really want to marry this person?"--with more social input from family and kept more families together with stronger social sanctions against breaking them apart.
The loss of the this strong social "script"--find a potential person who is marriage worthy, court for a while and make sure you will function together as a couple, then get married, then live as couple, then have children, stay together to raise the children, stay together to support your children starting in life, getting married and having children and then enjoy your grandchildren together in old age--is just plain bad for the nation.
Obviously, the people--their genes and culture--matter most. But given the same genes, you are better off in a "get married" nation--which will be more stable, with more social cohesion--than a "shack up" nation.
What does Algeria have to do with Victor Hugo, a town on the Swiss border and a Senegalese sculptor, again? Or are we just brainstorming bad things the French did to non-whites?Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Mr. Anon, @Kim
Under the French 1830 – 1956, the population of Algeria increased from 2.5 million to 11 million.
And that is what is wrong with European colonialism.
They also got a lot richer and freer and better educated.Replies: @Skyler the Weird, @Hamlet's Ghost
And that is what is wrong with European colonialism.'
To be earnest about it, what was wrong with European colonialism is that it inculcated the subject peoples with a set of values that made it inevitable that they would rebel.
In support of this, note the apparently complete lack of any independence movements among the peoples of Central Asia -- in spite of the often spectacular brutality and inefficiency of first Tsarist and then Soviet rule. I'd argue the key difference is that it never occurred to either the Russians or their Asiatic subjects that it was all somehow unjust and should be rectified. The Russians ruled because they were stronger, and that was that.
Not so with the English and the French. Their subjects were to become like the English and the French -- and of course no self-respecting Englishman or Frenchmen would put up with foreign rule and an inferior status.Replies: @kaganovitch
We scour the dark recesses of all formerly white countries to bring you the latest news on white supremacist violence!* We’re the New York Times!
Funny coincidence: I’ve often been called the Auguste Rodin of my Living Room, by me, which is almost the same thing.
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* white people talking = white violence
* also white people breathing
Sow’s sculptures were inspired by German photographer Leni Riefenstahl’s photographs of Nubian wrestlers in Sudan, and his works encompassed portrayals of the Nuba, Masai, and other African peoples.
He needs to be cancelled.Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
Doubtless he wanted to, but Nancy Just Said No.
And that is what is wrong with European colonialism.Replies: @Peter Lund, @Curmudgeon, @Colin Wright
> Under the French 1830 – 1956, the population of Algeria increased from 2.5 million to 11 million.
They also got a lot richer and freer and better educated.
Which is exactly the problem. The whites did for them what they couldn't seem to do for themselves. The humiliation of having been "elevated" by foreigners is something far worse than mere conquest and subjugation could ever have done.
Joseph Sobran was right. The West is not hated for its real/alleged crimes, it's truly hated for its virtues.
France has always been really proud of being French and being eternally French. Most other countries in Europe bowed to French culture and hegemony, e.g. the English for centuries considered themselves a cultural brutish backwater in comparison. Schoolboys in other countries could name the Twelve Peers of France and every French King going back to Charlemagne. Aristocrats sent their children to France for education, and the Russian aristocracy spoke French to one another.
The French being one of the greatest military nations on Earth didn’t hurt France’s rep either. Ditto for French diplomacy—France was a pioneer in the modern art. They even made a major alliance with the Ottoman Empire (which shocked a lot of Europe).
It’s partially why the French Revolution so shocked the European high-minded society. Even though the English Civil Wars of the 17th Century did exactly the same thing–cut off the head of the monarch and lords, pushed a republican form of government, installed a new non-king leadership, overthrew the reigning religion—that Eternal France would do such a thing was absolutely shocking. France always was to be France.
Napoleon managed to save a lot of French face by re-establishing French military and cultural dominance. But by the end of the 19th Century France lost very embarrassingly to the Prussians, and then in the 20th saw two major-league losses (and occupations) to the Germans. And of course the loss of the colonial empire overseas.
So the French clung to their previous cultural dominance and independence fiercely for national pride sake. Hence they kicked out the U.S. military after WW2 and established nuclear power to free themselves somewhat from the Anglo-American sphere of oil and guns. Hence their defense of their language from English influence.
As a previously non-crazy version of Eddie Izzard put it, the French are always “being kind of French”.
Froggytime
Sailer's Digest version:https://www.unz.com/isteve/understanding-the-french/
https://www.unz.com/isteve/paleo-retiree-on-girls-and-sports/
I'd like to invite comment or corroboration.
Also the French were defeated in WW2 but not in WW1.
This reminds me of this funny commercial from back in 1999.
A name that truly fits the age in which we live.
We are now ruled by madmen.Replies: @AnotherDad, @HammerJack, @Shamu, @BB753
Yep. And it’s been official for a while now.
An honored military tradition for educating wayward perverts.
Isn't the military all about tradition?Replies: @complex pseudonymic handle
Rooting out all the diversity parasites is more complex, but again a lot can be done immediately by a President motivated to do it.
A continual problem conservatives--i.e. actual Americans--have is we do not have a political party dedicated to the interests of Americans.Replies: @Corn
We are now ruled by madmen.Replies: @AnotherDad, @HammerJack, @Shamu, @BB753
And from where does the madness originate? The rather ardent Anglophile noticer often notes important things and then fails to grasp the significance. Sailer writes : “In English. Even in France when it comes to a French literary titan, protesters write their slogans in English for the American news media’s cameras.”
The entire ‘West’ has been thoroughly Anglicized. What we are living through, this nightmare, is the natural, inevitable end result of the the life span of WASP culture. It is the Brit WSP and Yank WASP elites who have fostered all this and forced down the throats off everyone over whom the rule -0 and that includes all of Western Europe.
The Anglo-Zionist Empire is Oceania.
Unfortunate ambiguous wording:
“Mr. Sow, who was often called the Auguste Rodin of Senegal, died in 2016. A reporter from the Besançon newspaper called Béatrice Soulé, Mr. Sow’s widowed partner in Dakar, Senegal’s capital.”
Consider the word “called”. Was the Besançon newspaper called “Béatrice Soulé”, or was a reporter from the [previously referred-to] Besançon newspaper called “Béatrice Soulé”? Neither. Here, “called” means “made a telephone call to”.
Very funny, AA.
“What matters is whether the children are born to stable couples, not whether those couples are officially married.”
That may be the case in Sweden or Finland, but not in the UK. These figures are from 2002, but I doubt they’ve improved.
https://www.civitas.org.uk/archive/pubs/experiments.php
I would be surprised if there aren’t similar, if perhaps less pronounced trends in the Nordic countries. It turns out that the piece of paper from the city hall DOES help keep you tied and true.
You may be confusing cause and effect. Some percentage of unmarried couples would be unmarried because at least one of the partners has reservations about spending the rest of his life with the other.Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
It's got more to do with imported people not being like the natives + with subsidies to let people in the lower quintile (native and imported alike) have kids.
The piece of paper really doesn't matter much. Social pressure (from peers and family) to stay together -- or, even more importantly, to not have kids with (other?) idiots -- matters more.
This particular writer, Canadian-born Catherine Porter, built her career on venerating Haitians.
Dumas? Hugo? Potato-potahto.
But as Christianity has declined it has also become a way for millions of people--particularly for women, especially young women without children--to demonstrate their narrative compliance, virtue and goodness. Really a substitute religion.
Broken record, but I think we have come to point where sane normies are just going to have to demand the right to their nations. In other words--separation.
People can choose their flag, and rainbow (minoritarian) enclaves can be setup for these people to worship their god--diversity--and beat their breast and bask in their virtue. But there is no living with these people and maintaining a normal healthy nation/civilization.Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Nico
Isn’t that what the people of the Donbass and Luhansk wanted, and what 13,000 of them died for between 2014 and 2022?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-pride-parade-kiev-lgbt-a8971371.html
There's this vibe amongst some commentators here that all of the Donbass--or for some of them, all of Eastern Ukraine!--is full of ethnic Russians. But the census and these dualing referendums suggest more like "Northern Ireland". No matter who rules it, someone is going to be unhappy.
This showed up right away. Putin encourage separatists and supplied--and perhaps just sent in Russian volunteers--them with arms. And they held their referendums. Except that immediately a bunch of towns and villages said " No effing way. We don't want any part of some Russian puppet state." And they had their counter referendums rejecting secession.
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Count me as siding with the "hicks-from-sticks". The Russian accountant, bureaucrat, dentist ... in Donetsk if he is really unhappy being in Ukraine can just move to Russia. But the Ukrainian farmer can't roll up his 100 acres and hop on a train west.
My American analog here would be "Wisconsin". When we separate does all of Wisconsin have to go to Rainbow just because the white parasites in Madison and the black parasites in north Milwaukee push Wisconsin to majority "Rainbow"?
No, I think the farmers out in the hinterland get to stay in America. The Rainbows get their rainbow enclaves ... but that's it. (And without taxing the rest of the state, Madison will wither and without welfare north Milwaukee will wither ... so in the end whole state could--and should--belong to Americans.)
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Finally, the tell here is the invasion. If Putin had just said, "Hey the people of the Donbass in the overwhelmingly want to be Russian" and just gone to "liberate" them and the Russian army is greeted with cheers and flowers ... very different dynamic. People in the West would be hard pressed to object. But that's not what he did--grabbing territory across Eastern Ukraine, which showed no indication of secession majority whatsoever and sending a thrust at Kiev to try and collapse the regime--nor what happened--Russian invasion love minimal.
I'm a big nationalist/separationist. But the first rule of being a good nationalist is respecting other people's nationalism. In ethnically mixed areas, that inherently means negotiating separation--we're dominant here and will take in our people, you're dominate there and can take in your people. --or just leaving it the hell alone.
Putin could have just invited any Russians disaffected to leave and come to Russia--Russia needs Russians way more than in need territory--and everyone would have been much better off. But Putin is not a "national self-determination", let's get everyone sorted properly guy. He's a "Great Russia" Czar wannabe, big swinging dick guy.
I thought blackface was the worst thing anyone (except for Justin Trudeau) could do in this decade.
They also got a lot richer and freer and better educated.Replies: @Skyler the Weird, @Hamlet's Ghost
What did they get when Marius and Sulla conquered them.
Once you master realism, you have to go for making the human more than human.
Byzantine stuff has its charms. Some of the icons have psychological and metaphysical charge.
Sure. But we're talking fourth/fifth century Western empire crap. It's not non-representational -- it's just crap. Clumsy, obviously untalented...
It becomes apparent with the Arch of Constantine. Aside from the proportions of the thing, most of the carvings were literally cannibalized from older monuments. Evidently, the requisite body of skilled craftsmen had simply died out.
They seem to have gotten the instructions confused and restored the sculpture to look like the sculptor. Recalling an odd old Strawbs tune:
Is it the sculptor or the sculpture
Hanging in the gallery?
Touched by fleeting strangers
Who desire to feel the strength of hands
That realised a form of life.
Is it the sculptor or the sculpture
Hanging in the gallery?
Or is it but the tenderness
With which his hands were guided
To discard the unessentials
And reveal the perfect truth?
A fitting feature story to wrap up 2022 comes from the NY Post — Actual Karens are changing their name or going by their middle names, initials etc because “Karen” has taken on such derisive connotations.
Now if the NYT or WaPo had beaten the Post to this crucial lifestyle trend, you know the blame for this oppression would clearly be heaped upon toxic white supremacist males.
As a non-American I don’t understand the New York Times. And I really don’t get its articles like this.
Steve and The Derb can do bi-weekly eviscerations on their columnists/reporters writings but does the NYT/Washington Post/The Atlantic and other “Papers of Record” know?
First, the 13 original US colonies were colonized from different cultural areas, and had very different societies [1].
NYC did not become English until a British fleet conquered a six decade old Dutch colony, "New Amsterdam", in 1664. The Dutch colonists were less than enthused about that, and never quite considered themselves English. New York was taken and occupied by the British during the US Revolutionary War, late 1770s, and apparently considered the occupation fortunate.
NYC was not important at first, being culturally dominated by the Tidewater States and commercially about equal with Boston. This changed in 1826 when the Erie Canal connected NYC to the West side of the US Eastern coastal mountain range (Appalachians) a bit after that region was settled and wanted to ship bulk goods to the coast in exchange for manufactured good. The Erie Canal and Hudson River were the only possible shipping route over the Appalachians until railroad became practical.
The Erie canal and mass immigration (starting 1830) more or less knocked Boston out of competition, and the US Civil War (1860s) knocked the Tidewater out of its cultural dominance. By 1900 NYC had no cultural or commercial rivals in the US. NYC stood alone, the dominant city in the US.
And, presto! New York City was the dominant city in the United States. It called its State "The Empire State", and controlled the flow of manufactured goods (both imported and manufactured in "Precision Valley", the Hudson River Valley. The political form of NYC, the "political machine", dominated all US cities by the 1880s at the latest.
But New York City was and is still not American. In control, yes, American, no. And don't look at me for calling names -- the city never considered itself part of the United States. See Plunkett, "Plunketts fondest dream", _Plunkett of Tammany Hall_, ~1910, available from www.gutenberg.org . Even if NYC had thought it was American, its population was second or maybe third generation immigrants, who still thought in terms of, and partially retained, their ancient feuds and folkways. This was not just the Jewish immigrants (starting ~1890), the Irish were staunchly anti-English, who thought of American Anglo-Saxons and English Anglo-Saxons in uncomplimentary terms.
So, why does the New York Times (NYT) write as it does? It writes for a region that is not American, it is a cultural area that used to run the USA before it became economically decayed and largely rejected by almost all Americans outside of large urban areas. NYT is trying to act as if it is in its glory days, and strongly supports efforts to keep the dominance of US machine politics (which it almost controls).
And the NYT readers are actively afraid of understanding anything written on www.unz.com, or for that matter outside the Washington DC and NYC metro areas. They correctly fear that this understanding would be used to eject them from the fiercely competitive and quite vicious NYC middle/upper class social system.
Further- while the urban political machines still run the US, its leadership occasionall changed. It changed in the 1960s, the Jewish coalition triumphed over the Irish dominated system that had elected JFK. It changed during Obama's second term, when he ignored Congress and ruled by executive order and loyal appointees, and a Black coalition displaced the Jewish coalition as top coalition in the Federal Government. One of the things the new leaders are doing is what the old Roman Emperors did: replace all statues of their predecessors with statues of themselves, replace all mention of their predecessors in the media with mention of themselves. The article points out that this US trend has spread to France, presumably because the French government is, ah, strongly influenced by the US government.
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* Colin Woodward, _American Nations_, 2011. Woodward tries to show that there is no United States, and never has been. It's what you would expect from a contemporary Postmodernist.
* Joel Garreau, The Nine Nations of North America, 1981.
* David Fischer,_Albion's Seed_, 1989.
These are all famous books, and much commented on, so try an Internet search.
Someone should do a book on all the overrated black mediocrities that have been compared to geniuses.
I will give the French credit for still having a sense of national identity that they do not want to abandon. Too many members of the American ruling class just think the goal is eliminating the actual diversity of independent and unique countries and replacing with with the superficially diverse but culturally dead borderless Western societies of which anyone can partake whether invited in or not. Mentally it’s difficult to have been born into the former but living in the latter thanks to the criminals who have captured our institutions. A pox on the Euro nations that bought this most toxic of American imports and have implemented it as well.
Double-plus good.
Source: dude just trust me
They always leave out the part about North African pirates enslaving Christians for centuries before France occupied Algiers.
Don’t we have to cancel Hugo now, since he’s appeared in blackface?
I mean, it’s not like he’s prime minister of Canada or anything.
To me, it seems like it is a subtle form of removing the statue prior to removing the people.
I came across this article:
Out-of-Wedlock Births Rise Worldwide
https://archive-yaleglobal.yale.edu/sites/default/files/images/chamie-chartPicture1-500px858.png
https://archive-yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/out-wedlock-births-rise-worldwide
One thing that puzzles me is the huge, I mean astronomical, difference in the proportion of Out-of-Wedlock births between Asia and rest of the world (I am leaving out Africa as being data deficient). I have not seen any discussion on this curiosity. Surely, this will have a huge (and unforeseeable) impact on how the world may look like in 2050 and beyond.Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Peter Lund, @TWS, @Reg Cæsar, @Muggles
Iceland is what caught my eye. Do they never get married? Even in the sixties they were popping out a whole lot of bastards. Now it looks like Iceland women have the self control of an alley cat.
Iceland is a tiny country, microscopic really, with a population of 376,000; Smaller than my not-quite-a-large city, Portland, OR (pop. 652,000)
But what is surprising to me is Chile, Costa Rica, Mexico all have 60% to 70% non-marital births. They are supposedly the new face of Roman Catholic church/Christianity. I don't know why the statistics don't have Argentina and Brazil, but it is hard to argue they would be vastly different. Does it mean Christianity has become just superficial as Christmas tree and Santa Claus?Replies: @Colin Wright
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/df/22/00/df2200bc635eeb26668023f9fb9aabd0.pngReplies: @AnotherDad, @Almost Missouri, @Barnard, @Muggles
Since she married a Cuban they will turn her into a Latina, or excuse me, a Latinx.
Here’s a genuine example of an immigrant doing a job that the locals won’t do. If you want to show the world what Victor Hugo would look like in blackface, you must turn to a man from Africa.
We are now ruled by madmen.Replies: @AnotherDad, @HammerJack, @Shamu, @BB753
Some of them are. But not all. It’s is us they want to go crazy and confused, the better to rule us like despots.
“Big Dumas” – Fred Sanford
Our own Paleo Retiree (not to be confused with Paleo Liberal) wrote about this years ago:
Froggytime
Sailer’s Digest version:
https://www.unz.com/isteve/understanding-the-french/
https://www.unz.com/isteve/paleo-retiree-on-girls-and-sports/
They also got a lot richer and freer and better educated.Replies: @Skyler the Weird, @Hamlet's Ghost
“They also got a lot richer and freer and better educated.”
Which is exactly the problem. The whites did for them what they couldn’t seem to do for themselves. The humiliation of having been “elevated” by foreigners is something far worse than mere conquest and subjugation could ever have done.
Joseph Sobran was right. The West is not hated for its real/alleged crimes, it’s truly hated for its virtues.
I came across this article:
Out-of-Wedlock Births Rise Worldwide
https://archive-yaleglobal.yale.edu/sites/default/files/images/chamie-chartPicture1-500px858.png
https://archive-yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/out-wedlock-births-rise-worldwide
One thing that puzzles me is the huge, I mean astronomical, difference in the proportion of Out-of-Wedlock births between Asia and rest of the world (I am leaving out Africa as being data deficient). I have not seen any discussion on this curiosity. Surely, this will have a huge (and unforeseeable) impact on how the world may look like in 2050 and beyond.Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Peter Lund, @TWS, @Reg Cæsar, @Muggles
This is driven as much by married couples not having children. Indeed, one of the most fecund countries listed is Israel. While they have plenty of bastards, this is how they finish near the bottom:
Reform wedding: the rabbi is pregnant.
Conservative wedding: the bride is pregnant.
Orthodox wedding: both mothers-in-law are pregnant.Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @Shel100
But that must feel awesome. Being surrounded by all these loving kids and grandkids. As you totter off into you decline and senescence you are surrounded by your progeny in its prime and know your family will roll on after you are gone.
Jeez don’t you guys no nothin?
If you’re black and don’t got no culture you do what comes naturally: You steal it.
And that is what is wrong with European colonialism.Replies: @Peter Lund, @Curmudgeon, @Colin Wright
Missing from the story, is that De Gaulle allowed tens of thousands of Algerians, who had fought for France, to “escape” to France at the end of the war. Post WWII, it is estimated that over 500,000 Algerians emigrated to France to “help” French businesses. Facts are often inconvenient.
“Oh, wait, let me check Wikipedia first. Huh, what do you know? That was Dumas, not Hugo.”
Maybe the NYT wants a famous classic French author to be black who wasn’t strictly a Dumas. Even they understand ’tis better to be a Hugo than a Dumas(s).
I’m about halfway through this 6 hour documentary on the Franco-Prussian War and highly recommend it:
This isn’t OT; Victor Hugo lived through it:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Hugo
"Paris Under the Commune or The Seventy-Three Days of the Siege" by John Leighton.
https://archive.org/details/dli.granth.86828
Leighton was an Englishman who lived in Paris during the Commune including the arrival of the Germans. He walked about the city every day and recorded his impressions and experiences.
Fascinating.
Time for a Jewish joke.
Reform wedding: the rabbi is pregnant.
Conservative wedding: the bride is pregnant.
Orthodox wedding: both mothers-in-law are pregnant.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/df/22/00/df2200bc635eeb26668023f9fb9aabd0.pngReplies: @AnotherDad, @Almost Missouri, @Barnard, @Muggles
That head looks like a Viking troll face.
Don’t sculptors learn about the head size/body size proportions of say, actual human biology?
Making this funny, also very smart woman, into to metal goblin is very disrespectful.
That should be melted down and done over correctly.
(Side note: my late father claimed that in the 30s, while in the military in San Diego, he helped Lucille Ball leave a boarding house with her luggage by sneaking down a fire escape to avoid payment. She was just beginning her career and my Dad would have stayed in a boarding house there. I never got much detail but he claimed this happened.)
I believe it. Heh. Bloody show biz folks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl9OizV1xlE
"I can't stand people who bitch and whine.
Let's drink a beer from a paper bag, while we got time!"
It probably did happen. It fits the time, and it's not the sort of thing it would occur to someone to make up.
I came across this article:
Out-of-Wedlock Births Rise Worldwide
https://archive-yaleglobal.yale.edu/sites/default/files/images/chamie-chartPicture1-500px858.png
https://archive-yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/out-wedlock-births-rise-worldwide
One thing that puzzles me is the huge, I mean astronomical, difference in the proportion of Out-of-Wedlock births between Asia and rest of the world (I am leaving out Africa as being data deficient). I have not seen any discussion on this curiosity. Surely, this will have a huge (and unforeseeable) impact on how the world may look like in 2050 and beyond.Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Peter Lund, @TWS, @Reg Cæsar, @Muggles
So accusing someone of being a “bastard” will no longer be “fighting words.”
Looks like in a few of the countries, no one is getting legally married anymore. Maybe a tax thing?
https://archive.ph/3Haxx/ed2e7e31e1216788255b1601fb88fc6c221ef832.jpg
https://archive.ph/3Haxx/e03168c3c82b367c584041a89e42800d1dc33c73.jpgReplies: @Muggles, @AnotherDad
When did the military stop late night “blanket party beat-downs” in the barracks?
An honored military tradition for educating wayward perverts.
Isn’t the military all about tradition?
Our Battalion was the first "coed" Basic Training unit with men and women training and eating together. (Separate sleeping quarters)
No blanket parties, not even a mention of them by cadre.
Obvious misfits, and the permanently overdose impaired were given a trip to the mental hygiene clinic and a no-fault discharge.
Reform wedding: the rabbi is pregnant.
Conservative wedding: the bride is pregnant.
Orthodox wedding: both mothers-in-law are pregnant.Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @Shel100
Really Reform wedding: the rabbi is the surrogate mother for the gay couple being “married.”
* white people talking = white violence
* also white people breathingReplies: @kaganovitch, @ThreeCranes
From Artnet
Sow’s sculptures were inspired by German photographer Leni Riefenstahl’s photographs of Nubian wrestlers in Sudan, and his works encompassed portrayals of the Nuba, Masai, and other African peoples.
He needs to be cancelled.
Can’t access the full article, but I’m confused:
Did this original colouring have any political significance or court any controversy at the time?
How do things stand at present? Is the statue under guard?
“Unlike in the United States and other Western countries, statues in France were never toppled after George Floyd’s murder in 2020 in Minneapolis and the global Black Lives Matter protests that ensued. President Emmanuel Macron of France rejected the idea, stating instead that the country would “look at all of our history together with lucidity.””
So in France the President says “don’t topple statues”, and lo! No statues are toppled.
It almost looks like statue-toppling is government controlled…
Don't sculptors learn about the head size/body size proportions of say, actual human biology?
Making this funny, also very smart woman, into to metal goblin is very disrespectful.
That should be melted down and done over correctly.
(Side note: my late father claimed that in the 30s, while in the military in San Diego, he helped Lucille Ball leave a boarding house with her luggage by sneaking down a fire escape to avoid payment. She was just beginning her career and my Dad would have stayed in a boarding house there. I never got much detail but he claimed this happened.)Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Colin Wright
“my late father claimed that in the 30s… he helped Lucille Ball leave a boarding house with her luggage by sneaking down a fire escape to avoid payment.”
I believe it. Heh. Bloody show biz folks.
“I can’t stand people who bitch and whine.
Let’s drink a beer from a paper bag, while we got time!”
Now, THAT’S funny
Don't sculptors learn about the head size/body size proportions of say, actual human biology?
Making this funny, also very smart woman, into to metal goblin is very disrespectful.
That should be melted down and done over correctly.
(Side note: my late father claimed that in the 30s, while in the military in San Diego, he helped Lucille Ball leave a boarding house with her luggage by sneaking down a fire escape to avoid payment. She was just beginning her career and my Dad would have stayed in a boarding house there. I never got much detail but he claimed this happened.)Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Colin Wright
‘…(Side note: my late father claimed that in the 30s, while in the military in San Diego, he helped Lucille Ball leave a boarding house with her luggage by sneaking down a fire escape to avoid payment. She was just beginning her career and my Dad would have stayed in a boarding house there. I never got much detail but he claimed this happened.)’
It probably did happen. It fits the time, and it’s not the sort of thing it would occur to someone to make up.
Haha. I stopped reading there. Couldn’t they have hired a native French sculptor to create a statue of one of the top French writers?
The original statue is already a bit ugly (The French Rodin, it ain’t), but it’s acceptable — better than modern abstract sculptures by Richard Sierra, I suppose. But the colourized version is atrocious, so much so that I thought it was fake, a bad Photoshop job.
I thought the idea of colourizing statues had ended with the ancient Greeks? For some reason, statues, unlike paintings, look much better left unpainted.
Bronze and marble are just fine as they are.
And that is what is wrong with European colonialism.Replies: @Peter Lund, @Curmudgeon, @Colin Wright
‘Under the French 1830 – 1956, the population of Algeria increased from 2.5 million to 11 million.
And that is what is wrong with European colonialism.’
To be earnest about it, what was wrong with European colonialism is that it inculcated the subject peoples with a set of values that made it inevitable that they would rebel.
In support of this, note the apparently complete lack of any independence movements among the peoples of Central Asia — in spite of the often spectacular brutality and inefficiency of first Tsarist and then Soviet rule. I’d argue the key difference is that it never occurred to either the Russians or their Asiatic subjects that it was all somehow unjust and should be rectified. The Russians ruled because they were stronger, and that was that.
Not so with the English and the French. Their subjects were to become like the English and the French — and of course no self-respecting Englishman or Frenchmen would put up with foreign rule and an inferior status.
Not entirely true. The Caucasian war dragged on for fifty years and Imam Shamil was in open rebellion against Tsarist Russia for most of his adult life.Replies: @Colin Wright
I was advised by a prof in French literature, not as a student but just in conversation, that there are precisely ten (or maybe he said precisely fifteen; I think it was the latter) discernments in the French language for expressing obligation. And that is why French has been reliable as the language for diplomacy.
I’d like to invite comment or corroboration.
…agree twice, actually.
Double-plus good.
Sow’s sculptures were inspired by German photographer Leni Riefenstahl’s photographs of Nubian wrestlers in Sudan, and his works encompassed portrayals of the Nuba, Masai, and other African peoples.
He needs to be cancelled.Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
It was hard to cancel Leni, because she chose to isolate herself in North East Africa, taking photos of disappearing tribes which still managed to express a strength-through-joy aesthetic.
The war in Algeria was with Arabs and Berbers not really related to color so much as religion and culture and if there's one lesson the French should have learned from Algeria it's this- there's nothing wrong with protecting your history and culture. Charles Martel would approve.Replies: @bomag, @AnotherDad
I recall the Algerians expelled a million French after the war.
I don’t hear too many Algerians complaining about the resulting decrease in diversity.
Praise for America from Kara Kennedy in the Spectator:
You might hit a paywall; I didn’t. “Grandpa” may have had his privacy violated:
“That’s my husband!”: Woman says warning image of man pictured on cigarette packets is HER spouse as row rumbles on
The Independent: Woman claims photo of her dying father is used on cigarette packet warning without permission
Amputated leg image on tobacco warning ‘used without consent’: Man in France claims picture shows his leg but Brussels says any similarity is coincidental
An honored military tradition for educating wayward perverts.
Isn't the military all about tradition?Replies: @complex pseudonymic handle
I went to Army Basic Training in 1979 at Ft. Dix, NJ.
Our Battalion was the first “coed” Basic Training unit with men and women training and eating together. (Separate sleeping quarters)
No blanket parties, not even a mention of them by cadre.
Obvious misfits, and the permanently overdose impaired were given a trip to the mental hygiene clinic and a no-fault discharge.
Actually, Alexandre Dumas (pere) was a quadroon born in France. His father was the mulatto from Haiti:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_Dumas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas-Alexandre_Dumas
The war in Algeria was with Arabs and Berbers not really related to color so much as religion and culture and if there's one lesson the French should have learned from Algeria it's this- there's nothing wrong with protecting your history and culture. Charles Martel would approve.Replies: @bomag, @AnotherDad
Great point mc23.
Algeria should have hammered home the point: “Separate peoples, separate nations.” De Galle, cut it loose and brought the French home … but then later France let the Arabs and Berbers follow! Insanity.
This’ll on kind of thing has gone on before. Black supremacists have tried to claim that Whites of accomplishment, Beethoven for example, were actually blacks.
lll
Of course, some of those hippie-marriages shaded into non-marriage and abandonment over time, but then that happened to some certified marriages too.
In some (all?) of the countries toward the bottom of the list, an out-of-wedlock birth signifies the mother is a skank and therefore fair game for any man's sexual advances, so women are more punctilious about getting a ring on it before setting seed.Replies: @epebble
In those places where “We don’t need a piece of paper from the government to sanctify our marriage!” is the norm, how do the governments work when the partners separate? With a marriage, one has the whole divorce industry to handle property division, alimony, child support, child visitation etc., Without documentation, how can Johnny and Susie figure out what to do when they split?
A libertarian couple might be minded not to get married so as to keep the Leviathan State out of their bedroom (and the rest of their house), but alas, the Leviathan has already found its way in through every opening, with or without an invitation.
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In most (especially northern) European countries, questions that would have been settled in court elsewhere—who pays for insurance, education, rent, etc.—are covered by the social democratic state, so there isn't much for the courts to decide. They can decide how to split the record collection, I guess.
If more than one wife or husband exists, that would affect social security benefits. In practice, the claimant would have to select one spouse as the de facto spouse.
Proving that a de facto marriage exists presents less difficulty than proving that a formal marriage has actually ended because both parties cooperate in the former case. That's why formal divorce exists for formal marriages. [email protected]
Not having had eight kids, I’m not going to be anywhere in that ballpark.
But that must feel awesome. Being surrounded by all these loving kids and grandkids. As you totter off into you decline and senescence you are surrounded by your progeny in its prime and know your family will roll on after you are gone.
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https://archive.ph/3Haxx/e03168c3c82b367c584041a89e42800d1dc33c73.jpgReplies: @Muggles, @AnotherDad
This trannie crap in military can–and should–be ended by any Republican President with the stroke of a pen, on day 1.
Rooting out all the diversity parasites is more complex, but again a lot can be done immediately by a President motivated to do it.
A continual problem conservatives–i.e. actual Americans–have is we do not have a political party dedicated to the interests of Americans.
If I recall correctly, didn’t Trump ban trans soldiers and then Defense Secretary Mattis basically replied, “Lol, no”?
I enjoy a display of abject stupidity overseas. It provides a concrete example of what not to do. Except for the daffiest professors, Americans are still capable of learning from the mistakes of others. We don’t repeat their errors the way European dingalings aped BLM protests.
How’s the energy situation going? I would be sorry to see Germans suffering frostbitten knockwurst, but at least it would make Americans realize that shutting down all their base load power plants with no viable alternative may not be a good idea.
Byzantine stuff has its charms. Some of the icons have psychological and metaphysical charge.Replies: @Colin Wright
‘…Byzantine stuff has its charms. Some of the icons have psychological and metaphysical charge…’
Sure. But we’re talking fourth/fifth century Western empire crap. It’s not non-representational — it’s just crap. Clumsy, obviously untalented…
It becomes apparent with the Arch of Constantine. Aside from the proportions of the thing, most of the carvings were literally cannibalized from older monuments. Evidently, the requisite body of skilled craftsmen had simply died out.
I don't hear too many Algerians complaining about the resulting decrease in diversity.Replies: @Art Deco
The Jewish population (about 10,000 in number) was expelled. The rest of the pieds noirs just packed their bags and left, thinking they’d be massacred or figuring the place would no longer be livable. About 2% stayed behind, and were more-or-less left alone.
* white people talking = white violence
* also white people breathingReplies: @kaganovitch, @ThreeCranes
August Rodin, he’s not.
Just look at a genuine Rodin. The style is gestural, loose, buttery and masterful.
In contrast, this guy’s is labored, pasty, lumpy and tentative.
These are lost wax castings. The wax is warmed and applied with fingers, thumbs, wooden pallet knives and spreaders. Plaster is cast around the wax, the wax is melted out as the bronze is poured into the plaster mold. How the wax is handled determines the look of the final bronze. It needs to be warm and soft enough to bond and smooth together. Too cold and it looks lumpy, like a cold weld. The Masters, like Remington and Rodin, can simultaneously create a likeness with a very lively, gestural style.
Sow’s sculpture is second or third rate and not worth the attention it’s getting.
Rodin’s Burghers of Calais*
Remington’s: The Bronc buster:
*From Wiki:
“In 1346, England’s Edward III, after a victory in the Battle of Crécy, laid siege to Calais, while Philip VI of France ordered the city to hold out at all costs. Philip failed to lift the siege, and starvation eventually forced the city to parley for surrender.[3]
The contemporary chronicler Jean Froissart (c. 1337 – c. 1405) tells a story of what happened next: Edward offered to spare the people of the city if six of its leaders would surrender themselves to him, presumably to be executed. Edward demanded that they walk out wearing nooses around their necks, and carrying the keys to the city and castle. One of the wealthiest of the town leaders, Eustache de Saint Pierre, volunteered first, and five other burghers joined with him.[4] Saint Pierre led this envoy of volunteers to the city gates. It was this moment, and this poignant mix of defeat, heroic self-sacrifice, and willingness to face imminent death that Rodin captured in his sculpture, scaled somewhat larger than life.[5]
According to Froissart’s story, the burghers expected to be executed, but their lives were spared by the intervention of England’s queen, Philippa of Hainault, who persuaded her husband to exercise mercy by claiming that their deaths would be a bad omen for her unborn child.”
For the most part, England won most of the major battles/skirmishes during the first part of the 100 Years War. Edward III, and his son the Black Prince (Edward, prince of Wales) were very formidable warriors on the battlefield.
The BLACK Prince. Now THAT'S who Afrocentric historians should claim was black.
It's his official historical nickname, and he must've had it for a reason, right?
Steve and The Derb can do bi-weekly eviscerations on their columnists/reporters writings but does the NYT/Washington Post/The Atlantic and other "Papers of Record" know?Replies: @Anonymous
That’s a hard one, and you need some background. Given that, your questions can be answered.
First, the 13 original US colonies were colonized from different cultural areas, and had very different societies [1].
NYC did not become English until a British fleet conquered a six decade old Dutch colony, “New Amsterdam”, in 1664. The Dutch colonists were less than enthused about that, and never quite considered themselves English. New York was taken and occupied by the British during the US Revolutionary War, late 1770s, and apparently considered the occupation fortunate.
NYC was not important at first, being culturally dominated by the Tidewater States and commercially about equal with Boston. This changed in 1826 when the Erie Canal connected NYC to the West side of the US Eastern coastal mountain range (Appalachians) a bit after that region was settled and wanted to ship bulk goods to the coast in exchange for manufactured good. The Erie Canal and Hudson River were the only possible shipping route over the Appalachians until railroad became practical.
The Erie canal and mass immigration (starting 1830) more or less knocked Boston out of competition, and the US Civil War (1860s) knocked the Tidewater out of its cultural dominance. By 1900 NYC had no cultural or commercial rivals in the US. NYC stood alone, the dominant city in the US.
And, presto! New York City was the dominant city in the United States. It called its State “The Empire State”, and controlled the flow of manufactured goods (both imported and manufactured in “Precision Valley”, the Hudson River Valley. The political form of NYC, the “political machine”, dominated all US cities by the 1880s at the latest.
But New York City was and is still not American. In control, yes, American, no. And don’t look at me for calling names — the city never considered itself part of the United States. See Plunkett, “Plunketts fondest dream”, _Plunkett of Tammany Hall_, ~1910, available from http://www.gutenberg.org . Even if NYC had thought it was American, its population was second or maybe third generation immigrants, who still thought in terms of, and partially retained, their ancient feuds and folkways. This was not just the Jewish immigrants (starting ~1890), the Irish were staunchly anti-English, who thought of American Anglo-Saxons and English Anglo-Saxons in uncomplimentary terms.
So, why does the New York Times (NYT) write as it does? It writes for a region that is not American, it is a cultural area that used to run the USA before it became economically decayed and largely rejected by almost all Americans outside of large urban areas. NYT is trying to act as if it is in its glory days, and strongly supports efforts to keep the dominance of US machine politics (which it almost controls).
And the NYT readers are actively afraid of understanding anything written on https://www.unz.com, or for that matter outside the Washington DC and NYC metro areas. They correctly fear that this understanding would be used to eject them from the fiercely competitive and quite vicious NYC middle/upper class social system.
Further- while the urban political machines still run the US, its leadership occasionall changed. It changed in the 1960s, the Jewish coalition triumphed over the Irish dominated system that had elected JFK. It changed during Obama’s second term, when he ignored Congress and ruled by executive order and loyal appointees, and a Black coalition displaced the Jewish coalition as top coalition in the Federal Government. One of the things the new leaders are doing is what the old Roman Emperors did: replace all statues of their predecessors with statues of themselves, replace all mention of their predecessors in the media with mention of themselves. The article points out that this US trend has spread to France, presumably because the French government is, ah, strongly influenced by the US government.
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* Colin Woodward, _American Nations_, 2011. Woodward tries to show that there is no United States, and never has been. It’s what you would expect from a contemporary Postmodernist.
* Joel Garreau, The Nine Nations of North America, 1981.
* David Fischer,_Albion’s Seed_, 1989.
These are all famous books, and much commented on, so try an Internet search.
How's the energy situation going? I would be sorry to see Germans suffering frostbitten knockwurst, but at least it would make Americans realize that shutting down all their base load power plants with no viable alternative may not be a good idea.Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
Currently it’s about 50 F in Berlin and the forecast shows temperatures staying in the high 40s through the next two weeks. It has been unseasonably warm in Europe this winter.
Rooting out all the diversity parasites is more complex, but again a lot can be done immediately by a President motivated to do it.
A continual problem conservatives--i.e. actual Americans--have is we do not have a political party dedicated to the interests of Americans.Replies: @Corn
Such a Republican president would end up gutting the officer corps with all the necessary firings (not that I’m complaining).
If I recall correctly, didn’t Trump ban trans soldiers and then Defense Secretary Mattis basically replied, “Lol, no”?
I don’t hear anyone talking about a pied noir culture in Algeria nowadays. Even if 2% stayed did their children emigrate?
Iceland is what caught my eye.
Iceland is a tiny country, microscopic really, with a population of 376,000; Smaller than my not-quite-a-large city, Portland, OR (pop. 652,000)
But what is surprising to me is Chile, Costa Rica, Mexico all have 60% to 70% non-marital births. They are supposedly the new face of Roman Catholic church/Christianity. I don’t know why the statistics don’t have Argentina and Brazil, but it is hard to argue they would be vastly different. Does it mean Christianity has become just superficial as Christmas tree and Santa Claus?
If you ever went to Chile, you wouldn't be surprised.
Chile, being about as far from everybody else as it is possible to be, has developed two very obvious eccentricities.
The first is the monster communal national dog pack. Basically, the twenty million human Chileans care for and love the ten million or so canine Chileans, who roam the streets, unowned but unfettered and apparently quite well fed.
The other is sex. They (the humans) grope each other all the time -- in public, quite openly. No, it's not like what you see in your local park. It's amazing. Those people are practically fucking in the street.
I can hang -- but it is unusual.Replies: @epebble, @fnn
Isn’t it considered offensive to put a white man in blackface?
Or is that rule only for when it’s convenient?
All the rules of the Left are only for when it's convenient. They are utterly unprincipled and all of their rules are pretextual or instrumental. As Erdogan once put it "Democracy is like a streetcar. When you come to your stop, you get off." That's the Left's take on everything.
Guessing a large part of the 2% who stayed were intermarried. Very nasty war, could see most French feeling unsafe.
Reform wedding: the rabbi is pregnant.
Conservative wedding: the bride is pregnant.
Orthodox wedding: both mothers-in-law are pregnant.Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @Shel100
What do old Jewish people and young black people have in common? They can’t stop talking about their grandkids.
Napoleon III lost embarrassingly to the Prussians but the French Third Republic admirably kept up the fight without him.
Also the French were defeated in WW2 but not in WW1.
Seems a player has collapsed on the field during MNF.
And that is what is wrong with European colonialism.'
To be earnest about it, what was wrong with European colonialism is that it inculcated the subject peoples with a set of values that made it inevitable that they would rebel.
In support of this, note the apparently complete lack of any independence movements among the peoples of Central Asia -- in spite of the often spectacular brutality and inefficiency of first Tsarist and then Soviet rule. I'd argue the key difference is that it never occurred to either the Russians or their Asiatic subjects that it was all somehow unjust and should be rectified. The Russians ruled because they were stronger, and that was that.
Not so with the English and the French. Their subjects were to become like the English and the French -- and of course no self-respecting Englishman or Frenchmen would put up with foreign rule and an inferior status.Replies: @kaganovitch
In support of this, note the apparently complete lack of any independence movements among the peoples of Central Asia — in spite of the often spectacular brutality and inefficiency of first Tsarist and then Soviet rule.
Not entirely true. The Caucasian war dragged on for fifty years and Imam Shamil was in open rebellion against Tsarist Russia for most of his adult life.
Sure. But I'd distinguish between resistance to the initial conquest -- which would be virtually universal -- and subsequent independence movements, which are often a consequence of the indigenous people imbibing the ideas of their conquerors.
The Jewish population (about 10,000 in number) was expelled.
The Jewish population of Algeria at independence was over 100,000, not 10,000. Nor do I think they were formally expelled. I think the revocation of citizenship for non-Muslims, expropriation of some Jewish property and the over representation of Jews in the OAS (Sometimes (((they’re))) Right-wing fanatics, not Left-wing fanatics!) left them in basically the same boat as the pieds-noir and they got out while they could.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cr%C3%A9mieux_Decree
Iceland is a tiny country, microscopic really, with a population of 376,000; Smaller than my not-quite-a-large city, Portland, OR (pop. 652,000)
But what is surprising to me is Chile, Costa Rica, Mexico all have 60% to 70% non-marital births. They are supposedly the new face of Roman Catholic church/Christianity. I don't know why the statistics don't have Argentina and Brazil, but it is hard to argue they would be vastly different. Does it mean Christianity has become just superficial as Christmas tree and Santa Claus?Replies: @Colin Wright
‘…But what is surprising to me is Chile, Costa Rica, Mexico all have 60% to 70% non-marital births…’
If you ever went to Chile, you wouldn’t be surprised.
Chile, being about as far from everybody else as it is possible to be, has developed two very obvious eccentricities.
The first is the monster communal national dog pack. Basically, the twenty million human Chileans care for and love the ten million or so canine Chileans, who roam the streets, unowned but unfettered and apparently quite well fed.
The other is sex. They (the humans) grope each other all the time — in public, quite openly. No, it’s not like what you see in your local park. It’s amazing. Those people are practically fucking in the street.
I can hang — but it is unusual.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVup2sP74cg
The datum is from Alastair Horne’s A Savage War of Peace, which includes a brief account of the expulsion of Algeria’s Jews.
Or is that rule only for when it's convenient?Replies: @kaganovitch
Or is that rule only for when it’s convenient?
All the rules of the Left are only for when it’s convenient. They are utterly unprincipled and all of their rules are pretextual or instrumental. As Erdogan once put it “Democracy is like a streetcar. When you come to your stop, you get off.” That’s the Left’s take on everything.
Never read it, but quite sure the population figure is a mistake. I’m less sure about the expulsion. I will order the book from interlibrary loan and read it Deo volente.
The Jews of Algeria were given French citizenship during the Franco-Prussian War, while everyone else had far more pressing concerns:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cr%C3%A9mieux_Decree
The Independent: Woman claims photo of her dying father is used on cigarette packet warning without permission
Amputated leg image on tobacco warning 'used without consent': Man in France claims picture shows his leg but Brussels says any similarity is coincidentalReplies: @AceDeuce
Funny how they don’t extend such cautionary measures to other hazardous activities–like pictures of prolapsed anuses or AIDS patients with Kaposi’s Sarcoma lesions to be prominently posted at the entrances to ghey bars, bathhouses and other “high-risk” areas.
If you ever went to Chile, you wouldn't be surprised.
Chile, being about as far from everybody else as it is possible to be, has developed two very obvious eccentricities.
The first is the monster communal national dog pack. Basically, the twenty million human Chileans care for and love the ten million or so canine Chileans, who roam the streets, unowned but unfettered and apparently quite well fed.
The other is sex. They (the humans) grope each other all the time -- in public, quite openly. No, it's not like what you see in your local park. It's amazing. Those people are practically fucking in the street.
I can hang -- but it is unusual.Replies: @epebble, @fnn
Hmm, we wanted to visit Chile sometimes. Dogs, no problem; but the other thing is, ahem, a bit unappetizing. I have watched Bonobos engage in that sort of behavior (on video) and wondered what is the evolutionary vector that caused it.
Sparing their lives was also a practical consideration. Edward could then hold the burghers for ransom and then expect hefty sums to fill the royal coffers, which often happened during the wars of the Middle Ages.
For the most part, England won most of the major battles/skirmishes during the first part of the 100 Years War. Edward III, and his son the Black Prince (Edward, prince of Wales) were very formidable warriors on the battlefield.
The BLACK Prince. Now THAT’S who Afrocentric historians should claim was black.
It’s his official historical nickname, and he must’ve had it for a reason, right?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vWZz-lHCu-M
This isn't OT; Victor Hugo lived through it:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_HugoReplies: @Kim
Here is a book you might enjoy. I did.
“Paris Under the Commune or The Seventy-Three Days of the Siege” by John Leighton.
https://archive.org/details/dli.granth.86828
Leighton was an Englishman who lived in Paris during the Commune including the arrival of the Germans. He walked about the city every day and recorded his impressions and experiences.
Fascinating.
In Portugal, after 5 years of living together is as if they were married in the eyes of the law, and all the laws that apply to married couple apply to them as well.
See also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common-law_marriage
Formal marriages with official pieces of paper are actually a very recent thing, except for the rich and powerful. Even the church was usually not involved at all until a few centuries ago.
The Europeans are trying to outdo the Americans in self-hatred and self-destruction, at the same time, they’re trying to outdo each other in ignorance of their own histories. When will it all end?
That may be the case in Sweden or Finland, but not in the UK. These figures are from 2002, but I doubt they've improved.https://www.civitas.org.uk/archive/pubs/experiments.phpI would be surprised if there aren't similar, if perhaps less pronounced trends in the Nordic countries. It turns out that the piece of paper from the city hall DOES help keep you tied and true.Replies: @Colin Wright, @Peter Lund
‘It turns out that the piece of paper from the city hall DOES help keep you tied and true.’
You may be confusing cause and effect. Some percentage of unmarried couples would be unmarried because at least one of the partners has reservations about spending the rest of his life with the other.
James Taylor has four.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTpsVKD4SX8
‘Hmm, we wanted to visit Chile sometimes. Dogs, no problem; but the other thing is, ahem, a bit unappetizing. I have watched Bonobos engage in that sort of behavior (on video) and wondered what is the evolutionary vector that caused it.’
I exaggerate. Nothing really unseemly is going on — but the sheer quantity of it is unique. I literally did a search: just what is the birth rate in this country? (it turns out to be 2.3 or something reasonable.)
I actually see two drawbacks to Chile.
People drive like maniacs — the only way I found to cope was to dive in and drive like they do. Maybe don’t rent a car if you’re not up for Vice City.
The gap — and the bitterness — between the rich and the poor is almost palpable. We were there in 2013 or something. Everyone still seemed to be hung up on 1973.
Also — mildly comically — don’t throw a tantrum if the waiter doesn’t bring everything you ordered without a reminder. In Chile, four out of five is about par for the course. They don’t put it on the bill and not bring it or anything — they just forget.
Santiago had a boom period in the late nineteenth century. The result is some interestingly ornate parks and things. And of course there’s Aconcagua. You have to cross over into Argentina to see it, which is a minor hassle (you’ll need Argentinian currency for the park, and we at least got hung up at the border crossing coming back) but it’s worth it.
Of course, now you have to rent the car. Just pretend it’s a video game, and that actually, you’re immortal.
Finally, the wine. Curiously, the Chileans themselves don’t drink it much, but when we were there, the kind of wine that would cost you $30 at a California winery went for $8 a bottle at Chilean wineries.
…oh yeah. In Santiago itself, the freeways have some sort of computerized pass system. If you’re unaware (as I was), an annoying and fairly hefty ticket shows up in the cyber-ether in some form that leads you to pay it. I forget the details — but you’ve been warned.
That may be the case in Sweden or Finland, but not in the UK. These figures are from 2002, but I doubt they've improved.https://www.civitas.org.uk/archive/pubs/experiments.phpI would be surprised if there aren't similar, if perhaps less pronounced trends in the Nordic countries. It turns out that the piece of paper from the city hall DOES help keep you tied and true.Replies: @Colin Wright, @Peter Lund
> It turns out that the piece of paper from the city hall DOES help keep you tied and true.
It’s got more to do with imported people not being like the natives + with subsidies to let people in the lower quintile (native and imported alike) have kids.
The piece of paper really doesn’t matter much. Social pressure (from peers and family) to stay together — or, even more importantly, to not have kids with (other?) idiots — matters more.
> What did they get when Marius and Sulla conquered them.
A triumph and a chance to see the world.
> In Portugal, after 5 years of living together is as if they were married in the eyes of the law, and all the laws that apply to married couple apply to them as well.
See also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common-law_marriage
Formal marriages with official pieces of paper are actually a very recent thing, except for the rich and powerful. Even the church was usually not involved at all until a few centuries ago.
You may be confusing cause and effect. Some percentage of unmarried couples would be unmarried because at least one of the partners has reservations about spending the rest of his life with the other.Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
So in other words unmarried couples are less committed to the relationship than married ones. I’d agree with that, but a thousand Guardian op-eds would disagree.
“We don’t need no piece of paper from the City Hall, keeping us tied and true” sang the 70s poster girl for “shacking up”, who abandoned her only child as a baby (and broke up with the old man in less than 2 years).
Graham Nash has three children.
James Taylor has four.
Soccer riots and Car-BQs in the Banlieues suggest that it didn’t end 60 years ago, but is still going on today
…but will it end (as was the case with the > 1 million French expelled from Algeria) with the expulsion of each and every Algerian of the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th (etc) generation)?
Now if the NYT or WaPo had beaten the Post to this crucial lifestyle trend, you know the blame for this oppression would clearly be heaped upon toxic white supremacist males.Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
https://nypost.com/2022/12/29/women-reveal-why-they-legally-changed-their-names-from-karen/
The Americanisation of the UK continues.
Not entirely true. The Caucasian war dragged on for fifty years and Imam Shamil was in open rebellion against Tsarist Russia for most of his adult life.Replies: @Colin Wright
‘Not entirely true. The Caucasian war dragged on for fifty years and Imam Shamil was in open rebellion against Tsarist Russia for most of his adult life.’
Sure. But I’d distinguish between resistance to the initial conquest — which would be virtually universal — and subsequent independence movements, which are often a consequence of the indigenous people imbibing the ideas of their conquerors.
Most traffic in [anti-]Family Courts nowadays is about child custody, visitation, child support, etc. where the parents’ marital status is not relevant. In some jurisdictions, alimony effectively no longer exists. In some jurisdictions where it does exist, it can be imputed even if the couple were not formally married. In other words, the modern legal class has largely sidelined institutional marriage while also simultaneously inveigling the government/legal system into every nook and cranny of human relationships.
A libertarian couple might be minded not to get married so as to keep the Leviathan State out of their bedroom (and the rest of their house), but alas, the Leviathan has already found its way in through every opening, with or without an invitation.
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In most (especially northern) European countries, questions that would have been settled in court elsewhere—who pays for insurance, education, rent, etc.—are covered by the social democratic state, so there isn’t much for the courts to decide. They can decide how to split the record collection, I guess.
Like so much leftism these days, unintentionally funny and clueless.
I agree with that at the *individual* family level. The piece of paper doesn’t matter. It is what people actually do. (And I agree that in Scandinavia, and to a lesser extent other parts of Western Europe that accounts for the big rise in illegitimacy.)
But the loss of the “marriage” paradigm is indeed a huge loss socially. Your family may stay–or not–together regardless of legalities. But the marriage paradigm made family formation more considered and thoughtful–“do you really want to marry this person?”–with more social input from family and kept more families together with stronger social sanctions against breaking them apart.
The loss of the this strong social “script”–find a potential person who is marriage worthy, court for a while and make sure you will function together as a couple, then get married, then live as couple, then have children, stay together to raise the children, stay together to support your children starting in life, getting married and having children and then enjoy your grandchildren together in old age–is just plain bad for the nation.
Obviously, the people–their genes and culture–matter most. But given the same genes, you are better off in a “get married” nation–which will be more stable, with more social cohesion–than a “shack up” nation.
Ah the 3 Musketeers. A fantastic novel about 4 swordsmen.
I think they use a musket… once? Maybe twice? Across all the books that I can remember.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-pride-parade-kiev-lgbt-a8971371.html
https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2019/06/23/17/gettyimages-1157741195.jpgReplies: @AnotherDad
No. It’s what some people in the Donbass and Luhansk wanted and what some other people in the Donbass and Luhansk very much did not want.
There’s this vibe amongst some commentators here that all of the Donbass–or for some of them, all of Eastern Ukraine!–is full of ethnic Russians. But the census and these dualing referendums suggest more like “Northern Ireland”. No matter who rules it, someone is going to be unhappy.
This showed up right away. Putin encourage separatists and supplied–and perhaps just sent in Russian volunteers–them with arms. And they held their referendums. Except that immediately a bunch of towns and villages said ” No effing way. We don’t want any part of some Russian puppet state.” And they had their counter referendums rejecting secession.
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Count me as siding with the “hicks-from-sticks”. The Russian accountant, bureaucrat, dentist … in Donetsk if he is really unhappy being in Ukraine can just move to Russia. But the Ukrainian farmer can’t roll up his 100 acres and hop on a train west.
My American analog here would be “Wisconsin”. When we separate does all of Wisconsin have to go to Rainbow just because the white parasites in Madison and the black parasites in north Milwaukee push Wisconsin to majority “Rainbow”?
No, I think the farmers out in the hinterland get to stay in America. The Rainbows get their rainbow enclaves … but that’s it. (And without taxing the rest of the state, Madison will wither and without welfare north Milwaukee will wither … so in the end whole state could–and should–belong to Americans.)
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Finally, the tell here is the invasion. If Putin had just said, “Hey the people of the Donbass in the overwhelmingly want to be Russian” and just gone to “liberate” them and the Russian army is greeted with cheers and flowers … very different dynamic. People in the West would be hard pressed to object. But that’s not what he did–grabbing territory across Eastern Ukraine, which showed no indication of secession majority whatsoever and sending a thrust at Kiev to try and collapse the regime–nor what happened–Russian invasion love minimal.
I’m a big nationalist/separationist. But the first rule of being a good nationalist is respecting other people’s nationalism. In ethnically mixed areas, that inherently means negotiating separation–we’re dominant here and will take in our people, you’re dominate there and can take in your people. –or just leaving it the hell alone.
Putin could have just invited any Russians disaffected to leave and come to Russia–Russia needs Russians way more than in need territory–and everyone would have been much better off. But Putin is not a “national self-determination”, let’s get everyone sorted properly guy. He’s a “Great Russia” Czar wannabe, big swinging dick guy.
So in France the President says "don't topple statues", and lo! No statues are toppled.
It almost looks like statue-toppling is government controlled...Replies: @Pastit
That appears to be exactly the case. In the US the Presidents do not speak against statue toppling, they encourage it.
Wasn’t it rather infamous that word on the street was “a coffin or a suitcase”?
The Zionist brainwashing of western Europe has been going on for decades. The native populations are in real peril to be replaced within the next 50 years. Once they become a minority they will forever lose their culture and their history will be rewritten. It is absolutely tragic what is happening to the West and next to nothing is being done about it.
They don’t know their Aramis from their Esmeralda.
In Australia no marriage involving more than one husband or wife is recognised by the state while the marriage still exists. It’s only recognised after it no longer exists because there are still problems with custody, child support, maintenance and sharing assets. Why would that present any new legal difficulties? It presents no more legal difficulties than the breakup of a formal or de facto marriage.
If more than one wife or husband exists, that would affect social security benefits. In practice, the claimant would have to select one spouse as the de facto spouse.
Proving that a de facto marriage exists presents less difficulty than proving that a formal marriage has actually ended because both parties cooperate in the former case. That’s why formal divorce exists for formal marriages. [email protected]
Speaking of French:
https://web.archive.org/web/20230104063347/https://www.nytco.com/press/david-french-joins-the-times-as-an-opinion-columnist/
But as Christianity has declined it has also become a way for millions of people--particularly for women, especially young women without children--to demonstrate their narrative compliance, virtue and goodness. Really a substitute religion.
Broken record, but I think we have come to point where sane normies are just going to have to demand the right to their nations. In other words--separation.
People can choose their flag, and rainbow (minoritarian) enclaves can be setup for these people to worship their god--diversity--and beat their breast and bask in their virtue. But there is no living with these people and maintaining a normal healthy nation/civilization.Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Nico
I live in France. French dedicated right-wingers (about 30-35% of the white population) understand this: the rest are pretty much milquetoast drones.
De Gaulle was a huge sell-out and a phony. It needs to be repeated because people fall for the propaganda. Same with Churchill.
If you ever went to Chile, you wouldn't be surprised.
Chile, being about as far from everybody else as it is possible to be, has developed two very obvious eccentricities.
The first is the monster communal national dog pack. Basically, the twenty million human Chileans care for and love the ten million or so canine Chileans, who roam the streets, unowned but unfettered and apparently quite well fed.
The other is sex. They (the humans) grope each other all the time -- in public, quite openly. No, it's not like what you see in your local park. It's amazing. Those people are practically fucking in the street.
I can hang -- but it is unusual.Replies: @epebble, @fnn
A presumably uniquely Chilean street scene:
https://twitter.com/DavidAFrench/status/1610279982588125184
https://web.archive.org/web/20230104063347/https://www.nytco.com/press/david-french-joins-the-times-as-an-opinion-columnist/Replies: @kaganovitch
They don’t call him Vichy French for nothing.
David French is “Vichy French” but he submits to a regime that would make a cosmopolitan Weimar German blush or recoil in disgust. Ironic.
As long as there are people who believe the official “eeeeevvvvviiiillll Naht-zee” narrative, that ain’t gonna happen, and the tribe whose name must not be spoken, has too much invested in official narrative to allow it to be de-bunked. https://www.timesofisrael.com/churchills-bust-unvieled-in-jerusalem/