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Every so often it becomes a national crisis for a little while that black people don’t like national parks. For example, six years ago, Ken Burns (a resident of Walpole, New Hampshire) directed a lengthy PBS documentary on National Parks around the not quite plausible theme that the history of the National Parks was all about Diversity. Thus, Burns’ series was centered around an obscure park ranger named Shelton Johnson who tries to talk blacks into visiting National Parks. For some unexpected reason, however, not enough African-Americans watched the Ken Burns documentary on PBS. So now an NYT op-ed asks:

Why Are Our Parks So White?
By GLENN NELSON JULY 10, 2015

… I also live in one of the Rainier neighborhoods, close to where I grew up, the son of a Japanese mother. I met my oldest friend in the Boy Scouts, an African-American from a family that, like mine, frequented the parks. In college, he and I led outings for minority student groups.

There was always nervous banter as we cruised through small rural towns on our way to a park. And there were jokes about finding a “Whites Only” sign at the entrance to our destination or the perils of being lynched or attacked while collecting firewood after the sun went down. Our cultural history taught us what to expect.

Not surprisingly, the solution is

… We need to demolish the notion that the national parks and the rest of nature are an exclusive club where minorities are unwelcome.

The place to start is the National Park Service. About 80 percent of park service employees in 2014 were white.

Affirmative action jobs.

But do blacks really want to be forest rangers?

Seriously, if you want more blacks to visit National Parks, ease up on the camping-only restrictions and put in more motels.

 
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  1. NYT: “Why Are Our [National] Parks So White?”

    I guess it’s obvious but DAMN, the NY Times is obsessed!!!!!

    Of course we could ask why is the NY Times so White? The reporters, the editorial board, etc etc.

    And why so Jewish?

    Or why is the US Fed Reserve so Jewish? 100% as far as I know. Do this – Why so Jewish all through College Presidents, Media executives, etc.

    But its tedious at this point.

    And Steve, the Nat Parks aren’t all in the sticks. I’m pretty sure they include urban locations as well.

    The country’s adult population is still 70%? White so that 80% figure isn’t that far off.

    • Replies: @zaqan
    @Rifleman

    Because your ancestors who had similar concerns restricted our ancestors to banking and finance jobs. Consequently, our IQ was forced up to adapt to this unique situation in the Middle Ages. Today, such jobs go to high IQ persons, which we happen to make a higher proportion of. Read some Harpending and Cochran.

  2. Why is Motown so black?

    Why is Miami so Cuban?

    Why is anime so Japanese?

    Why are the targets of hatred so White?

  3. A few years ago signs went up at National Park Trail heads with a big picture of the Statute of Liberty and bold lettering “Justice for All” IIRC. The signs, incongruous and in the old commie style, informed hikers of protections afforded against anyone trying to interfere with your right to use a national park. . . OK.

    The supposed threat the signs seemed designed to address felt like something hatched in the fevered imagination of a SJW in DC as opposed to a real threat of any kind. Nevertheless, the genius behind those signs probably translated that brainstorm into a teaching gig somewhere or some other equally lucrative sinecure.

    I’ve been hiking trails for years. You see lots of Asians and whites but rarely any blacks even where trail systems are located near black neighborhoods as with some state parks. I’ve found that hiking tends to appeal to people who are contemplative as opposed to reactive. Not sure if this explains their absence . . .

  4. This Men’s Journal article about golf noted that the sport might be saved in America by “TopGolf” with revenues of 100 million a year. Maybe the national parks acn follow their lead. Hip-Hop, karaoke, “mexican sushi” serving nightclubs.

    That might work in the new America.

    “The atmosphere on a typical Friday or Saturday night is more nightclub than country club, albeit with some of the fattiest, heaviest food this side of a Cheesecake Factory. While a DJ spins on a lounge level, golfers chow down on Mushi (Mexican sushi), Mac Daddy Burgers (hamburgers with macaroni and cheese piled on top), and Injectable Donut Holes, all while ordering cocktails from an attendant assigned to their hitting bay. The formula is working, with four-hour waits for hitting bays — the patrons killing time at a fully stocked sports bar with dozens of screens. So the golf is pretty much pure profit.

    It’s the opposite of a stuffy country club or even a posh public course, where arranging a tee time, or even finding the starter’s window, can be intimidating for a novice golfer. On a recent Monday night, I watched a pair of 16-year-olds, an African-American male and his white date, walk into the Colony location and start hitting. When I asked the girl about the experience, she said it was the first time she had ever hit a golf ball. But based on how fun the whole experience was — the food, the games, DJ Snake and Lil John’s “Turn Down for What” blaring on the PA — she thought they would be back.”

    http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/print-view/the-death-of-golf-20150625

    • Replies: @dearieme
    @wren

    Does "chow down on" mean the same as "eat"? Does Men's Journal pay by the word, or is the writer simply an oaf?

  5. I question the benefit that more diverse rangers would have on enhancing a black person’s experience given the minimal involvement of the rangers in the average person’s park experience. Its enough to convince me that the person suggesting it, does not frequent the national parks.

    I also find it odd how nobody is at all concerned with diversifying the DMV so that it better meets the needs of the population. Even in Chicago it should be at least 30% white rather than the 5-10% I usually see.

  6. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Why don’t blacks like national parks? Because you can’t sell pot to a grizzly bear. Because you can’t use Section 8 money to rent a campsite. Because your Obamaphone won’t get a signal that far out.

    It’s just as well. I don’t need to hear (c)rap music echoing off the mountains.

    • Replies: @Realist
    @Anon

    So sad but true.

  7. Lefties may want to think twice before engaging in a campaign encouraging more NAM’s to explore National parks.

    http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Man-shot-dead-in-Huckleberry-park-in-Oakland-hills-5918503.php

  8. KFC franchises.

  9. “Because you can’t use Section 8 money to rent a campsite.”

    Don’t give the Obama Regime any ideas!

  10. I’m sure the reason Belle and Sebastian concerts are so white is that they’re also an unsafe environment for minorities.

    • Replies: @ogunsiron
    @WowJustWow

    I wouldn't be too surprised to learn that Varg Vikernes has more sincere black fans than Belle and Sebastian.

  11. The National Park Service says that all Confederate Battle Flag sales items are being removed from national park bookstores and gift shops.
    http://blog.timesunion.com/travelgal/national-parks-pull-confederate-flag-sales-items/12963/

    More motels? It seems like the trend is less and more stuff closing. Now with the bans, all the bootleggers are going to see soaring profits. Prohibition didn’t stop drinking, it just created bootleggers. With the share economy you can rent a place with an app near a park. When slavery ended all that changed was how people were priced. You could buy them by the hour, like a seedy motel room. Now we have robot slaves that are smarter than us. Wage slaves will not be permitted to handle or promote Confederate items: By Order of Malwart!

  12. So I was out today in Fallbrook, working at a volunteer project with their land conservancy. Five white folks, no Hispanics (at least 50% of the area), no Asians, no blacks.

  13. Ian says:

    Every time Steve posts an article from the mainstream press on this issue, the answer seems obvious to me: it’s for the same reason why non-white-ified ghetto black people eat at McDonalds more than they eat salads.

    Hiking and camping in nature is like eating a salad – the gratification is subtle and delayed rather than strong and immediate.

    Living through ice ages evolved delay of gratification into the ancestors of Europeans and North East Asians, in a way that other humans did not need to evolve as much.

  14. I was visiting in LA a few years ago and spent an afternoon at the Griffith Park Observatory. The grounds of the observatory at the top of the hill were jammed with thousands of visitors. White people, scads of Asians, local and foreign, South Americans and Mexicans. Not one single black face.

  15. Speaking of camping, I didn’t know until today that the Apollo 11 guys were quarantined in a modified Airstream camper. Saw it on Huell Howser’s California gold show on the Hornet (museum ship in SF) — all the volunteers there were old or middle aged white guys too.

  16. Ten years ago the UK Labour apparatchicks were facing trouble in’t fells :

    http://www.ukcommentators.blogspot.co.uk/2005_01_02_ukcommentators_archive.html#110486513882073659

    “The Lake District is facing mass resignations by its volunteer rangers over a decision to scrap free guided walks in the national park because they do not attract enough people from ethnic minority communities. Ranger-led walks are among 900 Lake District events planned for 2005-06 that are to be dropped because they appeal mostly to “white, middle-class, middle-aged people”. “

    The volunteer rangers are all white, as are the National Trust volunteers who show you round stately homes. I imagine they’ll die off and not be replaced, as the UK middle class is being slowly eroded. Graduate salaries are falling, lovely final salary pensions scrapped, the pension age raised to 67.

    Also ten years ago

    http://ukcommentators.blogspot.co.uk/2005/07/pointy-heads.html

    “Ms Pam Warhurst revealed on Radio 4 that the taxpayer is stumping up £1.5 million on a ‘diversity review’ of the countryside. Apparently there simply aren’t enough minorities, inner city dwellers, and disabled people in the country.”

  17. I think enjoying the Outdoors is very much a European thing that White Americans inherited from their European ancestors. My hypothesis is that the European wildlands were relatively safe to enjoy (there is a lack of poisonous animals like snakes or other vermins in Europe, for example, in comparison with what you see in much of Asia, Africa or the Americas).

    • Replies: @dumpstersquirrel
    @andy

    Wrong. Blacks have no interest in the great outdoors because it's so boooring, y'alls! Blacks, with an average IQ circa 80, have almost nothing going on between the ears, so they require incessant external stimulation to avoid feelings of boredom. Whites have a much richer internal intellectual and emotional life because high IQ and higher levels of empathy, so the outdoors are simultaneously calming and stimulating to us, allowing us a break from noisesome modernity to explore our rich inner worlds, and offering the occasional novel sight to tear us away from this rich world, to refresh us.

    Always remember this reality:

    What do you call a white girl with an IQ of 80? Mildly mentally retarded.

    What do you call a black girl with an IQ of 80? Average.

    , @Sunbeam
    @andy

    "My hypothesis is that the European wildlands were relatively safe to enjoy (there is a lack of poisonous animals like snakes or other vermins in Europe, for example, in comparison with what you see in much of Asia, Africa or the Americas)."

    I think climate plays a big role in this.

    Look on this site you see people claiming genes are the root and explanation of EVERYTHING. Let's not examine that right now.

    But I am from the South and have been to the West Coast. White or black, you do not see the hordes of people hiking down there you see in Seattle for example.

    My personal explanation is climate. I (and others) have brought this up a lot, but when you have high heat and humidity you don't feel like doing much of anything.

    Whereas on the West Coast you always feel like a million bucks with the low humidity. Even among the subgroups in the South that have the markers associated with hiking nationwide (ethnicity, age, marital status, income, education) you just do not see them like you do around Seattle.

    Funny thing is that even as hilly as Seattle is, I found it far easier to walk a couple of miles there than I did in the region of the South I am from. The low humidity and the 10 to 15 degree lower temperature was a winning combo.

    Plus when you hike in the South, there really isn't much to see. Unless you are in the mountains I guess. Just one relatively flat pine forest after another, unless you are into the occasional swamp and bog.

    One day I'd like to read a book about how climate (meaning heat and humidity) has influenced human history. This is an anecdote, but thinking back, you are on the West Coast and get used to it quickly. Then you come back on an air conditioned jet, walk in an air conditioned airport.

    As soon as you walk through the doors to go outside at an airport, the air hits you like a hammer. The speech is figurative, but I know a lot of you know what I am talking about.

    And all that energy you had on the West Coast goes bye bye.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @iffen, @Jack D

    , @Alastair Trumpington
    @andy


    My hypothesis is that the European wildlands were relatively safe to enjoy (there is a lack of poisonous animals like snakes or other vermins in Europe, for example, in comparison with what you see in much of Asia, Africa or the Americas).

     

    Yeah, I always thought that the reason blacks aren't particularly good swimmers was that their ancestors who ventured into the water all got eaten by crocodiles.
    , @The Inscrutable Chinaman
    @andy

    Not sure I agree entirely. East Asians have a vibrant park culture. In fact, the problem in mainland China, in particular, is you can't go to a major park without being overwhelmed by the mass of humanity. Worse, they all litter. And spit. And their kids defecate. Everywhere.

  18. I think plenty of blacks would like to be forest rangers.

    I’ve noticed that middle/upper class blacks seem to often prefer working in the govt to the private sector. They’re more eager for those jobs than, say, careers in management consulting or private equity. I’d say that blacks are actually very shrewd to go after government jobs instead.

    Govt jobs offer many advantages over the private sector – 40 hour work week (and paid overtime), low stress, light workload, generous benefits, pension, low probability of being fired, union representation. Contrary to popular belief, the pay is also better too, except at the very top end of the organizational ladder. The average corporate job takes more out of you and gives less back to you.

    Sure there are highly paid and glamorous private sector jobs too. The problem is that the 80-hour, high-stress work week of financiers, consultants, corporate lawyers, startup technologists, entrepreneurs, and elite business managers requires serious sacrifices. Why not take it easy instead?

    Here’s a job posting for “Supervisory Park Ranger.”

    https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/409123800

    The pay starts at $64,020.00 and goes up to $83,227.00. That’s more than the average management consultant, financial analyst, or law school graduate. I’d bet it’s more fun too.

    Here’s a job description.

    This position is Supervisory Park Ranger at Adams National Historical Park (ADAM). The employee is responsible for the administration, supervision, development, delivery, and evaluation of interpretive programming and media, including publications, waysides, park website, and Fee Program; at ADAM in accordance with National Park Service policy, guidelines, and best practices.
    This position offers an exceptional opportunity to be instrumental in shaping and guiding an interpretive program, beyond traditional interpretation and education to encompass new and creative forms of interpretation, education, and outreach to visitors of all ages and diverse backgrounds and cooperates with park partners, schools and other educational institutions and organizations that are critical to ADAM to implement these goals.

    Sure I could make more at Skadden Arps law firm (if somehow I could get admitted to a top 14 law school), but there’s only a 15% chance of making partner. Why not just have fun at the park instead?

    Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123


    The pay starts at $64,020.00 and goes up to $83,227.00. That’s more than the average management consultant, financial analyst, or law school graduate. I’d bet it’s more fun too.
     
    Double that salary range and you'll have the annual salary most federal park rangers make. Not kidding, I know first-hand. Though most have four-year degrees (mostly CJ).

    Here's a possible snag with making federal park rangers less white. Federal park rangers need a background check. Non-armed go through an MBI (minimal background investigation) and armed need a higher level clearance. Things like financial issues, criminal records, employment problems, etc., can sink an applicant.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  19. Well it looks like the NYT’s is trying to “Charter School” the national parks so that they can be privatized in the interests of corporate America. Now the Right doesn’t need much propagandizing to get behind privatization; but the Left has to feel it is fighting on the side of the Social Justice Warlords before they can acquiesce to selling off Yellowstone to Disney. The racial achievement gap and blacks getting suspended more than whites made the lefty bourgeoisie hate the public schools — and now the fact that Black Bodies, if they attempted to get anywhere near Old Faithful, would potentially be lynched by 80% white Confederate Flag waving park rangers will certainly help breakdown resistance by Volvo drivers to monetizing our National Parks in corporate America’s interest.

    Ellen Pao for Secretary of the Interior?

  20. @andy
    I think enjoying the Outdoors is very much a European thing that White Americans inherited from their European ancestors. My hypothesis is that the European wildlands were relatively safe to enjoy (there is a lack of poisonous animals like snakes or other vermins in Europe, for example, in comparison with what you see in much of Asia, Africa or the Americas).

    Replies: @dumpstersquirrel, @Sunbeam, @Alastair Trumpington, @The Inscrutable Chinaman

    Wrong. Blacks have no interest in the great outdoors because it’s so boooring, y’alls! Blacks, with an average IQ circa 80, have almost nothing going on between the ears, so they require incessant external stimulation to avoid feelings of boredom. Whites have a much richer internal intellectual and emotional life because high IQ and higher levels of empathy, so the outdoors are simultaneously calming and stimulating to us, allowing us a break from noisesome modernity to explore our rich inner worlds, and offering the occasional novel sight to tear us away from this rich world, to refresh us.

    Always remember this reality:

    What do you call a white girl with an IQ of 80? Mildly mentally retarded.

    What do you call a black girl with an IQ of 80? Average.

  21. The answer is to put a free public swimming pool in every park. The parks will be all black over night. Every public pool I’ve seen is more black kid than water.

  22. sb says:

    I’ve spent a bit of time in Australian national parks/ wilderness areas over the decades and have always taken an interest in ethnicity/nationality of visitors I encounter ( really HBD ) :

    Most common foreign visitors -Germans ( clearly )

    Least common foreign visitors ( allowing for numbers in the general community ) Asians except for Japanese . There are no Africans .
    Irish among whites ( lot of Irish in Aust , rare in NPs )

    Americans ( always white ,generally educated ) would be up there

  23. How long will it take for the ruling elite to realize that the relatively low entrance and use fees of our National Parks is a subsidy to the wrong types of Americans. Maybe we should consider entrance fees based on ability to pay. Vouchers for the diverse? Does the National Park Service even have a Diversity Directorate?

  24. @wren
    This Men's Journal article about golf noted that the sport might be saved in America by "TopGolf" with revenues of 100 million a year. Maybe the national parks acn follow their lead. Hip-Hop, karaoke, "mexican sushi" serving nightclubs.

    That might work in the new America.

    "The atmosphere on a typical Friday or Saturday night is more nightclub than country club, albeit with some of the fattiest, heaviest food this side of a Cheesecake Factory. While a DJ spins on a lounge level, golfers chow down on Mushi (Mexican sushi), Mac Daddy Burgers (hamburgers with macaroni and cheese piled on top), and Injectable Donut Holes, all while ordering cocktails from an attendant assigned to their hitting bay. The formula is working, with four-hour waits for hitting bays — the patrons killing time at a fully stocked sports bar with dozens of screens. So the golf is pretty much pure profit.

    It's the opposite of a stuffy country club or even a posh public course, where arranging a tee time, or even finding the starter's window, can be intimidating for a novice golfer. On a recent Monday night, I watched a pair of 16-year-olds, an African-American male and his white date, walk into the Colony location and start hitting. When I asked the girl about the experience, she said it was the first time she had ever hit a golf ball. But based on how fun the whole experience was — the food, the games, DJ Snake and Lil John's "Turn Down for What" blaring on the PA — she thought they would be back."

    http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/print-view/the-death-of-golf-20150625

    Replies: @dearieme

    Does “chow down on” mean the same as “eat”? Does Men’s Journal pay by the word, or is the writer simply an oaf?

  25. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Along this line, the photo of Dylann Roof wearing a Rhodesian jacket in front of a swamp was taken at the Congaree National Park in South Carolina. I know this because I’m familiar with the park and Roof only lived 10 minutes away. Too bad the NYT didn’t know the location where the photo was taken. That fact would fit nicely into the narrative that national parks are breeding grounds for white extremism.

  26. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I can imagine it’s all down to deep-seated, atavistic, ancestral fears about snakes, noxious insects, noxious reptiles, prowling big cats and sundry spooks and hobgoblins.

    You may scoff, but never but never underestimate the atavistic fear and reverence snakes have for ‘African Americans’. Snakes are the all-powerful ‘god and devil’ rolled all into one.
    Better avoid the deity in it’s natural lair, eh?
    I can assure you that no AA actually consciously thinks like this, or would ever articulate it in this way, but hundreds of thousands of years of evolutionary history and superstition do have a way of engraining themselves into genes.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    The NYT oped actually does quote some black people about how they are scared of bears. That's not unreasonable. When we spent 9 days camping near Kings Canyon, a bear came snuffling within a few feet of our tent every single night.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  27. @andy
    I think enjoying the Outdoors is very much a European thing that White Americans inherited from their European ancestors. My hypothesis is that the European wildlands were relatively safe to enjoy (there is a lack of poisonous animals like snakes or other vermins in Europe, for example, in comparison with what you see in much of Asia, Africa or the Americas).

    Replies: @dumpstersquirrel, @Sunbeam, @Alastair Trumpington, @The Inscrutable Chinaman

    “My hypothesis is that the European wildlands were relatively safe to enjoy (there is a lack of poisonous animals like snakes or other vermins in Europe, for example, in comparison with what you see in much of Asia, Africa or the Americas).”

    I think climate plays a big role in this.

    Look on this site you see people claiming genes are the root and explanation of EVERYTHING. Let’s not examine that right now.

    But I am from the South and have been to the West Coast. White or black, you do not see the hordes of people hiking down there you see in Seattle for example.

    My personal explanation is climate. I (and others) have brought this up a lot, but when you have high heat and humidity you don’t feel like doing much of anything.

    Whereas on the West Coast you always feel like a million bucks with the low humidity. Even among the subgroups in the South that have the markers associated with hiking nationwide (ethnicity, age, marital status, income, education) you just do not see them like you do around Seattle.

    Funny thing is that even as hilly as Seattle is, I found it far easier to walk a couple of miles there than I did in the region of the South I am from. The low humidity and the 10 to 15 degree lower temperature was a winning combo.

    Plus when you hike in the South, there really isn’t much to see. Unless you are in the mountains I guess. Just one relatively flat pine forest after another, unless you are into the occasional swamp and bog.

    One day I’d like to read a book about how climate (meaning heat and humidity) has influenced human history. This is an anecdote, but thinking back, you are on the West Coast and get used to it quickly. Then you come back on an air conditioned jet, walk in an air conditioned airport.

    As soon as you walk through the doors to go outside at an airport, the air hits you like a hammer. The speech is figurative, but I know a lot of you know what I am talking about.

    And all that energy you had on the West Coast goes bye bye.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Sunbeam

    Mosquitoes and underbrush are also a big turnoff in a lot of America that are rare in Northern California beauty spots where environmentalism really took off first.

    , @iffen
    @Sunbeam

    Speak for yourself, SB. Some of us don't have a problem with the heat and humidity. Lots of good comments from you.

    , @Jack D
    @Sunbeam

    It's funny you should mention the airport. My son visited Ghana recently and that was his keenest memory - they opened the airplane doors (naturally no jetway) and immediately the tropical air hit him like a ton of bricks. It was 96% humidity every day (and electricity to run the air conditioning was rarely working). The contrast must be especially strong because the air on an airplane is very dry. Air that is 96% humidity is literally heavier/thicker than dry air.

  28. The german anthropologist Andreas Vonderach writes in his new book (2014) “Völkerpsychologie” that kindness to animals and appreciation of nature is especially found in the north, and there is less of that in the south (let alone Africa).

    What is kind of funny: all those feminists who also advocate for animal rights don’t seem to understand that the blacks and muslims they have so high feelings towards are not in the least interested in a) feminism b) kindess to animals — or, rather, c) any of those other liberal western values.

    Of course they believe they can mold and teach those people to become “proper people”, but it’s mostly genetic, just like people from the north are not as impulsive and aggressive as are people from the south (espeically Arabs who are those with the highest occurrence of the “warrior”, the MAOA gene [as the great Vonderach also writes]).

  29. anon • Disclaimer says:

    What’s so hard to understand. Blacks don’t really like being around whites very much. They think national parks are too many whites for their taste. They also don’t attend baseball games, auto racing, white popular music concerts, symphony (as far as I know), ballet, non-black plays, etc., etc. Barring outright payment for blacks to go to national parks, I don’t see how they get passed this conundrum.

    (And I’m guessing the Times wouldn’t publish some snickering jokes between some suburban white and Asian American about how they hope they don’t get offed passing through the ghetto on their way to some football or baseball game.)

    • Replies: @Anon
    @anon

    I am not around black people all that much. I just don't socially or professionally spend that much time with them. I happened to spend a couple of days last week with a black peer of mine. To paraphrase Derb, all I heard was BLACKETY black black BLACKETY black. Literally, every hour or two he would call attention to the fact he was black. Mostly in a jokey way but always with an undercurrent of - I'm enjoying making white people feel uncomfortable with race talk. Example: I asked him if he would like to sit in the front of the rental car. He said no and I said, all right whatever sit in the back, your choice. To which he responded, "that's racist, sit in the back". Joke, right? Yeah, of course. But also designed to remind me and the other people there that he's black and requires more TLC. In the 20 hours I was with him over 2 days, he must have brought up race 15-20 times. In this time of racial witchhunts, all you can do as a white person is laugh and say nothing more. Anything I said could have bitten me.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @candid_observer
    @anon


    [Blacks] also don’t attend baseball games, auto racing, white popular music concerts, symphony (as far as I know),
     
    Yeah, the symphony and classical music in general is an interesting case in demography, though one doesn't hear much about it.

    Here in Boston, hardly any blacks (I mean well less than 1 in 100, by my reckoning) can be found in the audience at the BSO. It seems to be only worse -- if that's even possible -- at say the Handel and Hayden society concerts.

    What's more peculiar is that hardly any Asians can be found in the audience at the concerts either (I'd guess maybe 1 in 50, and rarely as a couple or family of Asians, or as a singleton). What's strange about that is that Asians -- Asian women in particular -- are a very notable presence on the stage, and tend to dominate the violins (not so much at Handel and Hayden, though, as I recollect). And hardly a single Asian male can be found as a performer -- and they are distinctly less common than Asian females in the audience, as I recollect.

    And of course the median age of the audience is probably 70-75, the other obvious demographic fact.

    I don't know how classical music is going to survive in a decade or two, at least as based on audience willing to pay considerable bucks to experience it.

    One gets the strong sense that it is no longer considered a mark of sophistication to go to the symphony -- it's all about those dead white males, you know. And if no social status attaches to it, it's audience is doomed to wither, because there have never been many people who genuinely love the music.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Brutusale

    , @jack shindo
    @anon

    It is easy to understand that black people do not like being around white hypocracy, deceit and stupidity, to say the least! But it is also absurd. Actually black people attend many of the aforementioned, though is lesser frequency than so, the collective white park visitorship.

    There is actually no problem here. Expecting black citizens from Compton, Brooklyn or East LA to visit a national park is akin to a white person at a Glady Kinight, Jay Z, Espernaza Spaulding or similar endeavour. IF you are cognizant of those types of venue, then regardless of who you are and you are motivated, you will take part (regardless fo ethnicty, race or whatveer) because your awareness, and pocketbook will dictate your choice. You also do not get minorities (black, Mexican, Asian, etc pick your choice) getting lost in the park or being attacked by bears or other animals, or camping out in a snowstorm just to get lost

  30. DJF says:

    NYT could cut down on the number of editorials if they just wrote one, “Reducing, limiting, getting rid of White people will make the world a better place.”

    As to the many comments about how they see White, Asian, Hispanics in the parks but not Blacks, maybe it’s a Neanderthal thing that Blacks don’t understand.

  31. Urban blacks are uncomfortable in the woods. Rural blacks have no problem with it. When I was in the Army spent some weeks being a civilian-clothed “guerilla” for training SF troops. The white guys loved it. Three weeks running around playing Cong. The black guys who had been rounded up from the support battalions showed up in orange pants and platform shoes (it was the 70s). Wear your civies they were told. They were not happy campers.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @elmer

    You are on track here. Urban blacks run away from the rural past like nobody's business.

  32. Whenever I read a New York Times article with the theme “Why don’t black people like to do this thing that white people like to do, and how can we make them,?” I think back to the Times’ classic 12/30/90 article on recycling, “The Poor Mainly Recycle Poverty”:

    ONE of the biggest disappointments for New York City’s fledgling recycling program has been the low participation by residents in poorer, densely populated neighborhoods. In areas like Harlem or Bedford-Stuyvesant, already overwhelmed by life and death issues, recycling seems trivial. . . .

    As city officials look for ways to cut recycling costs while improving compliance, some experts suggest that expensive curbside pickup of recyclable material in low-income neighborhoods should be replaced with programs that offer residents economic incentives to recycle. The idea is simple: People are more likely to recycle if they are paid to do so.

    I believe that article addressed both questions, so I’ll use it as a template to solve the national park question.
    –For black people, already overwhelmed by life and death issues, camping seems trivial.
    — Experts suggest that outreach programs by national parks should be replaced by programs that offer black people economic incentives to camp. Black people are more likely to go camping if they are paid to do so

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Harry Baldwin

    Obama once had a job promoting recycling among communities of color. He quit pretty fast and doesn't talk about it much.

    Replies: @iffen

  33. Look at Henry Ford museum with the adjacent Greenfiel Village in Dearborn Michigan.
    Right next to Detroit but barely a black soul to these world class attractions.
    Even on free day Martin Luther King day can’t get them to come out.

    For that matter Detroit Tigers and Lions have few of them.

  34. And why are all those marijuana farms in national parks run by Mexicans?

  35. Maybe there wouldn’t be as many whites using national parks either, if it weren’t the only place where they can get away from blacks.

  36. Check out National Forests sometime, which people visit much less. They’re free, except for a few paid campgrounds, no gates, rangers are scarce. If you like a feeling of outdoor freedom, you’ll get it there. There’s always fights over logging and mining, but a lot of NF’s have fantastic remote places. You take more responsibility for yourself, though, so they tend to be where Darwin awards get won. More freedom to do what you want, but less amenities. I prefer them to NP’s personally.

  37. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    I think plenty of blacks would like to be forest rangers.

    I've noticed that middle/upper class blacks seem to often prefer working in the govt to the private sector. They're more eager for those jobs than, say, careers in management consulting or private equity. I'd say that blacks are actually very shrewd to go after government jobs instead.

    Govt jobs offer many advantages over the private sector - 40 hour work week (and paid overtime), low stress, light workload, generous benefits, pension, low probability of being fired, union representation. Contrary to popular belief, the pay is also better too, except at the very top end of the organizational ladder. The average corporate job takes more out of you and gives less back to you.

    Sure there are highly paid and glamorous private sector jobs too. The problem is that the 80-hour, high-stress work week of financiers, consultants, corporate lawyers, startup technologists, entrepreneurs, and elite business managers requires serious sacrifices. Why not take it easy instead?

    Here's a job posting for "Supervisory Park Ranger."

    https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/409123800

    The pay starts at $64,020.00 and goes up to $83,227.00. That's more than the average management consultant, financial analyst, or law school graduate. I'd bet it's more fun too.

    Here's a job description.


    This position is Supervisory Park Ranger at Adams National Historical Park (ADAM). The employee is responsible for the administration, supervision, development, delivery, and evaluation of interpretive programming and media, including publications, waysides, park website, and Fee Program; at ADAM in accordance with National Park Service policy, guidelines, and best practices.
    This position offers an exceptional opportunity to be instrumental in shaping and guiding an interpretive program, beyond traditional interpretation and education to encompass new and creative forms of interpretation, education, and outreach to visitors of all ages and diverse backgrounds and cooperates with park partners, schools and other educational institutions and organizations that are critical to ADAM to implement these goals.
     
    Sure I could make more at Skadden Arps law firm (if somehow I could get admitted to a top 14 law school), but there's only a 15% chance of making partner. Why not just have fun at the park instead?

    Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The pay starts at $64,020.00 and goes up to $83,227.00. That’s more than the average management consultant, financial analyst, or law school graduate. I’d bet it’s more fun too.

    Double that salary range and you’ll have the annual salary most federal park rangers make. Not kidding, I know first-hand. Though most have four-year degrees (mostly CJ).

    Here’s a possible snag with making federal park rangers less white. Federal park rangers need a background check. Non-armed go through an MBI (minimal background investigation) and armed need a higher level clearance. Things like financial issues, criminal records, employment problems, etc., can sink an applicant.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anonymous

    Wow. That's a lot of money for working in a park.

    The govt is, generally, a much better employer than the private sector. Unless you have a Ivy League MBA/JD or a manic drive to climb a private sector organizational ladder. Even then, what govt may not be able to pay you, they more than make up for with work/life balance and benefits/pension.

    If you're a really hardworking govt employee and do well on your promotional exams, you can climb to the type of pay range you'd see in corporate managers. Perhaps you won't make as much as an elite MBA/JD guy, but those fields have a VERY high turnover rate (burnout and firing is common) and are hard to break into.

    I also remember reading somewhere that the graduates of the top MBA/JD programs (ie Harvard, Wharton, Stanford) had a median mid career pay of about $150,000-$200,000 per year. If you can make 2/3 that much in the govt and have better benefits (while also living in a lower-cost tier 2 city), I'd assume you'd have at least an equally good financial situation.

    Sure the upper end of the elite MBA/JD cohort often make a lot more than $200,000 and a smaller number even make millions, but why work so hard when you probably won't be in that group? I think in most cases, the senior govt employee is better off than the elite MBA/JD guys. Even let's say that you do make millions by working that 80 hour Wall Street workweek for decades. Is it a good idea to kill yourself so your spouse and children can enjoy the wealth you make?

    Embrace Uncle Sam.

  38. Isn’t trying to bribe or cajole black and brown people into liking SWPL mega galactic racism?

  39. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Sure there are highly paid and glamorous private sector jobs too. The problem is that the 80-hour, high-stress work week of financiers, consultants, corporate lawyers, startup technologists, entrepreneurs, and elite business managers requires serious sacrifices. Why not take it easy instead?

    Here’s a job posting for “Supervisory Park Ranger.”

    https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/409123800

    The pay starts at $64,020.00 and goes up to $83,227.00. That’s more than the average management consultant, financial analyst, or law school graduate. I’d bet it’s more fun too.

    Or you can have no college degree and retire as a cop from a major police department on a much bigger pension (and tax-free). Look at loser Corey Pegues who retired from NYPD in his early forties with a tax-free $135k/year pension: A retired cop’s shocking life of drugs and crime. Or “Little Miss Dangerous”, the NYPD drug-using, crime-committing young blond female cop who was pulling down $95k before being fired (after she was arrested 3 times in 8 months for B&E, theft, etc.).

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anonymous

    Again. Why kill yourself in the corporate grind when you can slack off in the govt? For a 15% chance of becoming a senior level manager (or, for elite credential holders, partner) and working even worse hours?

    In Europe, people long ago realized that it's better to have an easy life in the bureaucracy,

  40. … We need to demolish the notion that the national parks and the rest of nature are an exclusive club where minorities are unwelcome.

    I’ve got a better idea. Let’s demolish the term “minorities”.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @ben tillman

    ben, they will never abolish the term 'minorities' because it is their bread and butter!

  41. Walpole, NH – 98% white. Looks like I’ll need to move there to avoid the forced ankle grabbing that’s coming to my major suburb of a major Texas city.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Anon

    And home to one of the best chocolatiers in America, LA Burdick.

  42. @Anon
    Why don't blacks like national parks? Because you can't sell pot to a grizzly bear. Because you can't use Section 8 money to rent a campsite. Because your Obamaphone won't get a signal that far out.

    It's just as well. I don't need to hear (c)rap music echoing off the mountains.

    Replies: @Realist

    So sad but true.

  43. @andy
    I think enjoying the Outdoors is very much a European thing that White Americans inherited from their European ancestors. My hypothesis is that the European wildlands were relatively safe to enjoy (there is a lack of poisonous animals like snakes or other vermins in Europe, for example, in comparison with what you see in much of Asia, Africa or the Americas).

    Replies: @dumpstersquirrel, @Sunbeam, @Alastair Trumpington, @The Inscrutable Chinaman

    My hypothesis is that the European wildlands were relatively safe to enjoy (there is a lack of poisonous animals like snakes or other vermins in Europe, for example, in comparison with what you see in much of Asia, Africa or the Americas).

    Yeah, I always thought that the reason blacks aren’t particularly good swimmers was that their ancestors who ventured into the water all got eaten by crocodiles.

  44. In the 19th century white people leave civilization and go out into the wilderness and declare that what they see is wonderful.

    White people then create National Parks to make it easier to go out into the wilderness and see that it is wonderful.

    In the 21st century white people still like to visit National Parks.

    In the 21st century liberal white people notice that African-American people aren’t visiting the National Parks that white people have declared wonderful.

    Liberal white people then declare that something is wrong because African-American people apparently don’t agree with white people that going out into the wilderness is wonderful.

    Liberal white people then decide that something must be done to change the incorrect African-American view of the wilderness so they, like white people, think that the wilderness is wonderful.

    Isn’t this liberal White Supremacism??

  45. @Rifleman

    NYT: "Why Are Our [National] Parks So White?"
     
    I guess it's obvious but DAMN, the NY Times is obsessed!!!!!

    Of course we could ask why is the NY Times so White? The reporters, the editorial board, etc etc.

    And why so Jewish?

    Or why is the US Fed Reserve so Jewish? 100% as far as I know. Do this - Why so Jewish all through College Presidents, Media executives, etc.

    But its tedious at this point.

    And Steve, the Nat Parks aren't all in the sticks. I'm pretty sure they include urban locations as well.

    The country's adult population is still 70%? White so that 80% figure isn't that far off.

    Replies: @zaqan

    Because your ancestors who had similar concerns restricted our ancestors to banking and finance jobs. Consequently, our IQ was forced up to adapt to this unique situation in the Middle Ages. Today, such jobs go to high IQ persons, which we happen to make a higher proportion of. Read some Harpending and Cochran.

  46. “In areas like Harlem or Bedford-Stuyvesant, already overwhelmed by life and death issues, recycling seems trivial…”

    More like, “in Harlem, where people who are too damn lazy to work are also too damn lazy to sort their trash.”

    The Democratic Party loves to make excuses about why a Demo demographic that has the lowest employment rate of all has no time to do anything – sort their recyclables, get IDs so they can vote, ad nauseum. The excuses never end.

    Hypothesis: a demo that is too lazy jobs, too lazy to get government ID, and too lazy to sort their recyclables is also too damn lazy to get up and go hiking in the “wilderness,” with all the minimal preparation a trip to a park involves.

    The last visit I made to a national park there where plenty of whites, a few Hispanics, and, for some odd reason, an impressive number of South Asians (in a region of the US not known for a large South Asian population); but there were few, if any, blacks.

    At some point this obsession with diversity has to end. One would hope that the disastrous reign at OPM of Katherine Archuleta, who was only hired for her diversity cred, would go a long way to finally driving a nail in that coffin. Or perhaps it will require another 9/11, caused by diverse immigrants during the administration of a diverse president while our military* and intelligence agencies are increasingly managed by a diverse leadership.

    * Obama has only to appoint 2-3 more black four star generals & admirals during his administration for the number of Obama four stars to exceed black four stars from all previous administrations combined.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Wilkey

    Or perhaps it will require another 9/11, caused by diverse immigrants during the administration of a diverse president while our military* and intelligence agencies are increasingly managed by a diverse leadership.

    It will never be presented that way in the media. The sequester will be blamed.

  47. Some of the tax money stumped up by Euro- and Asian-Americans is being spent on public goods that Euro- and Asian-Americans care about. That means there is revenue that is not being spent on things NAMs want. And we can’t have that.

  48. None of these articles ever bother to say why minorities should go to national parks. There is no evidence offered that going to parks is good for one’s health or career. Its simply a form of recreation that white people enjoy more than minorities.

    The assumption behind the article is that since white people especially love camping and hiking it must be good and minorities should do it as well.

    And that’s racist!

  49. Lots of Asian tourists visit our national parks, spending quite a bit of money in the process. I wonder who they would feel about African American park rangers.

  50. I haven’t been to NYC (sad to say) since the opening in 2009 of the High Line park in Manhattan, an elevated park built on a former RR right of way. I understand the views are magnificent, and Wikipedia reports that the now completed park attracts 5 million visitors annually. Here is a city park built in the heart of the city, easily accessible to all. Can anybody who has walked this wonderful park report on the racial diversity of the park’s visitors?

  51. Could rap concerts at Yellowstone be far behind?

  52. Dee says:

    Only place I see large numbers of blacks outdoors is the picnic area at a city or state park; never see them in any of the national parks. If the park allows you to get more than 100 yards from the parking lot; no blacks. Never see them on the trails. It was interesting watching the tensions between the blacks and the Hispanic at the next group of picnic tables…..they didn’t like each other.

    Went to Tiger Stadium in Detroit for a baseball game, I had binoculars and carefully examined the crowd for dark faces. Only dark faces were the vendors, nobody sitting down in 20,000+ was black. And this in 85% black Detroit. So even in an urban setting, they don’t like being outdoors.

    I can somewhat envision what’s going on in the noggin of an SJW; they demonstrated their superior sensitivity by identifying whatever niche NAM’s aren’t equally represented…it’s all a big contest with them as to whom is the most sensitive.

  53. “Why Are Our [National] Parks So White?”

    Question for the NYT. When you say “Our”, what do you really mean? Who are “we”? And how did we all become “we”? Are we all really a “we”?

  54. On our sainted Newspaper of Record, here’s what I blogged at a libertarian website.

    Headline: Ted Cruz says “The New York Times is Lying.” Come on, Ted. What will you be telling us next? That the sky is blue?

  55. @Harry Baldwin
    Whenever I read a New York Times article with the theme "Why don't black people like to do this thing that white people like to do, and how can we make them,?" I think back to the Times' classic 12/30/90 article on recycling, "The Poor Mainly Recycle Poverty":

    ONE of the biggest disappointments for New York City's fledgling recycling program has been the low participation by residents in poorer, densely populated neighborhoods. In areas like Harlem or Bedford-Stuyvesant, already overwhelmed by life and death issues, recycling seems trivial. . . .

    As city officials look for ways to cut recycling costs while improving compliance, some experts suggest that expensive curbside pickup of recyclable material in low-income neighborhoods should be replaced with programs that offer residents economic incentives to recycle. The idea is simple: People are more likely to recycle if they are paid to do so.
     

    I believe that article addressed both questions, so I'll use it as a template to solve the national park question.
    --For black people, already overwhelmed by life and death issues, camping seems trivial.
    -- Experts suggest that outreach programs by national parks should be replaced by programs that offer black people economic incentives to camp. Black people are more likely to go camping if they are paid to do so

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Obama once had a job promoting recycling among communities of color. He quit pretty fast and doesn’t talk about it much.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Steve Sailer

    Excepting aluminum, recycling has major problems. You can't give most of that stuff away; you have to pay someone to take it.

  56. Actually , in Africa, blacks spend a lot of time in nature….mostly hunting or gathering . To show African-Americans that National parks are fun, we should offer a “black face” dispensation to whites. Let AAs see what looks to be blacks in the park and maybe they will follow, sort like a lure. Otherwise build Section 8 housing at the Parks and soon there won’t be so many whites. Same problem every day for the NYT….too many whites, not enough blacks.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Buffalo Joe


    Otherwise build Section 8 housing at the Parks and soon there won’t be so many whites. Same problem every day for the NYT….too many whites, not enough blacks.
     
    I think you're on to something there. It's the relative not the absolute numbers that bother the NYT. Now, if you could scare away enough whites to hike the proportion of blacks to a satisfactory level in the parks, everything would be just fine.
  57. Ken Burns is one of the great misdirection artists of his generation. Everything is race, class and gender. I stopped watching after the Civil War and Baseball.

  58. Only families and college kids go to National Parks.

  59. @Anon
    Walpole, NH - 98% white. Looks like I'll need to move there to avoid the forced ankle grabbing that's coming to my major suburb of a major Texas city.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    And home to one of the best chocolatiers in America, LA Burdick.

  60. @Buffalo Joe
    Actually , in Africa, blacks spend a lot of time in nature....mostly hunting or gathering . To show African-Americans that National parks are fun, we should offer a "black face" dispensation to whites. Let AAs see what looks to be blacks in the park and maybe they will follow, sort like a lure. Otherwise build Section 8 housing at the Parks and soon there won't be so many whites. Same problem every day for the NYT....too many whites, not enough blacks.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    Otherwise build Section 8 housing at the Parks and soon there won’t be so many whites. Same problem every day for the NYT….too many whites, not enough blacks.

    I think you’re on to something there. It’s the relative not the absolute numbers that bother the NYT. Now, if you could scare away enough whites to hike the proportion of blacks to a satisfactory level in the parks, everything would be just fine.

  61. @Anonymous
    I can imagine it's all down to deep-seated, atavistic, ancestral fears about snakes, noxious insects, noxious reptiles, prowling big cats and sundry spooks and hobgoblins.

    You may scoff, but never but never underestimate the atavistic fear and reverence snakes have for 'African Americans'. Snakes are the all-powerful 'god and devil' rolled all into one.
    Better avoid the deity in it's natural lair, eh?
    I can assure you that no AA actually consciously thinks like this, or would ever articulate it in this way, but hundreds of thousands of years of evolutionary history and superstition do have a way of engraining themselves into genes.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The NYT oped actually does quote some black people about how they are scared of bears. That’s not unreasonable. When we spent 9 days camping near Kings Canyon, a bear came snuffling within a few feet of our tent every single night.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve, was it a "black" bear.....counts towards diversity. Polar bears not so much.

  62. @Sunbeam
    @andy

    "My hypothesis is that the European wildlands were relatively safe to enjoy (there is a lack of poisonous animals like snakes or other vermins in Europe, for example, in comparison with what you see in much of Asia, Africa or the Americas)."

    I think climate plays a big role in this.

    Look on this site you see people claiming genes are the root and explanation of EVERYTHING. Let's not examine that right now.

    But I am from the South and have been to the West Coast. White or black, you do not see the hordes of people hiking down there you see in Seattle for example.

    My personal explanation is climate. I (and others) have brought this up a lot, but when you have high heat and humidity you don't feel like doing much of anything.

    Whereas on the West Coast you always feel like a million bucks with the low humidity. Even among the subgroups in the South that have the markers associated with hiking nationwide (ethnicity, age, marital status, income, education) you just do not see them like you do around Seattle.

    Funny thing is that even as hilly as Seattle is, I found it far easier to walk a couple of miles there than I did in the region of the South I am from. The low humidity and the 10 to 15 degree lower temperature was a winning combo.

    Plus when you hike in the South, there really isn't much to see. Unless you are in the mountains I guess. Just one relatively flat pine forest after another, unless you are into the occasional swamp and bog.

    One day I'd like to read a book about how climate (meaning heat and humidity) has influenced human history. This is an anecdote, but thinking back, you are on the West Coast and get used to it quickly. Then you come back on an air conditioned jet, walk in an air conditioned airport.

    As soon as you walk through the doors to go outside at an airport, the air hits you like a hammer. The speech is figurative, but I know a lot of you know what I am talking about.

    And all that energy you had on the West Coast goes bye bye.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @iffen, @Jack D

    Mosquitoes and underbrush are also a big turnoff in a lot of America that are rare in Northern California beauty spots where environmentalism really took off first.

  63. @Wilkey
    "In areas like Harlem or Bedford-Stuyvesant, already overwhelmed by life and death issues, recycling seems trivial..."

    More like, "in Harlem, where people who are too damn lazy to work are also too damn lazy to sort their trash."

    The Democratic Party loves to make excuses about why a Demo demographic that has the lowest employment rate of all has no time to do anything - sort their recyclables, get IDs so they can vote, ad nauseum. The excuses never end.

    Hypothesis: a demo that is too lazy jobs, too lazy to get government ID, and too lazy to sort their recyclables is also too damn lazy to get up and go hiking in the "wilderness," with all the minimal preparation a trip to a park involves.

    The last visit I made to a national park there where plenty of whites, a few Hispanics, and, for some odd reason, an impressive number of South Asians (in a region of the US not known for a large South Asian population); but there were few, if any, blacks.

    At some point this obsession with diversity has to end. One would hope that the disastrous reign at OPM of Katherine Archuleta, who was only hired for her diversity cred, would go a long way to finally driving a nail in that coffin. Or perhaps it will require another 9/11, caused by diverse immigrants during the administration of a diverse president while our military* and intelligence agencies are increasingly managed by a diverse leadership.

    * Obama has only to appoint 2-3 more black four star generals & admirals during his administration for the number of Obama four stars to exceed black four stars from all previous administrations combined.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Or perhaps it will require another 9/11, caused by diverse immigrants during the administration of a diverse president while our military* and intelligence agencies are increasingly managed by a diverse leadership.

    It will never be presented that way in the media. The sequester will be blamed.

  64. The [White] Women who Power NASA’s New Horizons Mission to Pluto

    http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/News-Center/News-Article.php?page=20150712

  65. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    What's so hard to understand. Blacks don't really like being around whites very much. They think national parks are too many whites for their taste. They also don't attend baseball games, auto racing, white popular music concerts, symphony (as far as I know), ballet, non-black plays, etc., etc. Barring outright payment for blacks to go to national parks, I don't see how they get passed this conundrum.

    (And I'm guessing the Times wouldn't publish some snickering jokes between some suburban white and Asian American about how they hope they don't get offed passing through the ghetto on their way to some football or baseball game.)

    Replies: @Anon, @candid_observer, @jack shindo

    I am not around black people all that much. I just don’t socially or professionally spend that much time with them. I happened to spend a couple of days last week with a black peer of mine. To paraphrase Derb, all I heard was BLACKETY black black BLACKETY black. Literally, every hour or two he would call attention to the fact he was black. Mostly in a jokey way but always with an undercurrent of – I’m enjoying making white people feel uncomfortable with race talk. Example: I asked him if he would like to sit in the front of the rental car. He said no and I said, all right whatever sit in the back, your choice. To which he responded, “that’s racist, sit in the back”. Joke, right? Yeah, of course. But also designed to remind me and the other people there that he’s black and requires more TLC. In the 20 hours I was with him over 2 days, he must have brought up race 15-20 times. In this time of racial witchhunts, all you can do as a white person is laugh and say nothing more. Anything I said could have bitten me.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anon

    90% of the time blacks say something that sounds ridiculous, they're joking with you. The problem is that if you follow the joke right back, you risk getting fired if you're in the workplace.

    Replies: @Anon

  66. The answer lies in the biggest park in the US. No, not Pennekamp– that’s underwater and doesn’t count. It’s Adirondack. Adirondack State Park.

    Because the park was delineated after the area was settled, more than 130,000 people live within its border.

    So we do this again. Establish Anacostia National Park in the District of Columbia. Hundreds of thousands of blacks will “attend” or “visit” this park daily, simply by living there. Problem solved.

    They can even recycle Adirondack’s slogan. “Forever wild.”

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Reg Cæsar

    That's not nice.

    , @tbraton
    @Reg Cæsar

    "So we do this again. Establish Anacostia National Park in the District of Columbia. Hundreds of thousands of blacks will “attend” or “visit” this park daily, simply by living there. Problem solved."

    Funny you should mention "Anacostia National Park." Up until the 60's there was a broad swath of grassy land containing a small golf course, a large community swimming pool and a number of tennis courts (including a couple of red clay tennis courts) along the Anacostia River stretching from the Sousa Bridge to beyond the 11th Street bridge. That was all eliminated so they could build the multi-lane Southwest Expressway. I don't know if it was dedicated to Robert Moses, who, I understand, performed similar "civilizing" gestures up in New York. BTW before the Freeway was built, the Anacostia section of D.C. was mostly middle class/lower middle class white. BTW that grassy area of Anacostia along the river was where the "bonus army" of World War I veterans set up its headquarters in the spring and summer of 1932 before they were routed by Gen. Douglas McArthur, with the assistance of six tanks.

  67. @anon
    What's so hard to understand. Blacks don't really like being around whites very much. They think national parks are too many whites for their taste. They also don't attend baseball games, auto racing, white popular music concerts, symphony (as far as I know), ballet, non-black plays, etc., etc. Barring outright payment for blacks to go to national parks, I don't see how they get passed this conundrum.

    (And I'm guessing the Times wouldn't publish some snickering jokes between some suburban white and Asian American about how they hope they don't get offed passing through the ghetto on their way to some football or baseball game.)

    Replies: @Anon, @candid_observer, @jack shindo

    [Blacks] also don’t attend baseball games, auto racing, white popular music concerts, symphony (as far as I know),

    Yeah, the symphony and classical music in general is an interesting case in demography, though one doesn’t hear much about it.

    Here in Boston, hardly any blacks (I mean well less than 1 in 100, by my reckoning) can be found in the audience at the BSO. It seems to be only worse — if that’s even possible — at say the Handel and Hayden society concerts.

    What’s more peculiar is that hardly any Asians can be found in the audience at the concerts either (I’d guess maybe 1 in 50, and rarely as a couple or family of Asians, or as a singleton). What’s strange about that is that Asians — Asian women in particular — are a very notable presence on the stage, and tend to dominate the violins (not so much at Handel and Hayden, though, as I recollect). And hardly a single Asian male can be found as a performer — and they are distinctly less common than Asian females in the audience, as I recollect.

    And of course the median age of the audience is probably 70-75, the other obvious demographic fact.

    I don’t know how classical music is going to survive in a decade or two, at least as based on audience willing to pay considerable bucks to experience it.

    One gets the strong sense that it is no longer considered a mark of sophistication to go to the symphony — it’s all about those dead white males, you know. And if no social status attaches to it, it’s audience is doomed to wither, because there have never been many people who genuinely love the music.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @candid_observer

    I think opera has a chance to survive because younger impresarios are willing to do all sorts of crazy stuff to entertain audiences. In LA the Pacific Opera Project is a low budget operation that delivers a huge amount of entertainment for about $12 per hour. In 20 years they'll be an expensive, serious operation, but there will be newcomer minor league outfits doing what they are doing now.

    Opera just has more going on than symphonies.

    Replies: @Name Withheld

    , @Brutusale
    @candid_observer

    Funny that I just read this; the woman who just served me coffee is an opera singer (Longy School grad) whose Asian boyfriend just got a job at the H & H.

    So there'll be at least one young Asian guy there!

  68. @Anon
    @anon

    I am not around black people all that much. I just don't socially or professionally spend that much time with them. I happened to spend a couple of days last week with a black peer of mine. To paraphrase Derb, all I heard was BLACKETY black black BLACKETY black. Literally, every hour or two he would call attention to the fact he was black. Mostly in a jokey way but always with an undercurrent of - I'm enjoying making white people feel uncomfortable with race talk. Example: I asked him if he would like to sit in the front of the rental car. He said no and I said, all right whatever sit in the back, your choice. To which he responded, "that's racist, sit in the back". Joke, right? Yeah, of course. But also designed to remind me and the other people there that he's black and requires more TLC. In the 20 hours I was with him over 2 days, he must have brought up race 15-20 times. In this time of racial witchhunts, all you can do as a white person is laugh and say nothing more. Anything I said could have bitten me.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    90% of the time blacks say something that sounds ridiculous, they’re joking with you. The problem is that if you follow the joke right back, you risk getting fired if you’re in the workplace.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Yes. And they get off on intimidating white people both passively and directly especially when they know there's nothing that can be said in response.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @casey

  69. @candid_observer
    @anon


    [Blacks] also don’t attend baseball games, auto racing, white popular music concerts, symphony (as far as I know),
     
    Yeah, the symphony and classical music in general is an interesting case in demography, though one doesn't hear much about it.

    Here in Boston, hardly any blacks (I mean well less than 1 in 100, by my reckoning) can be found in the audience at the BSO. It seems to be only worse -- if that's even possible -- at say the Handel and Hayden society concerts.

    What's more peculiar is that hardly any Asians can be found in the audience at the concerts either (I'd guess maybe 1 in 50, and rarely as a couple or family of Asians, or as a singleton). What's strange about that is that Asians -- Asian women in particular -- are a very notable presence on the stage, and tend to dominate the violins (not so much at Handel and Hayden, though, as I recollect). And hardly a single Asian male can be found as a performer -- and they are distinctly less common than Asian females in the audience, as I recollect.

    And of course the median age of the audience is probably 70-75, the other obvious demographic fact.

    I don't know how classical music is going to survive in a decade or two, at least as based on audience willing to pay considerable bucks to experience it.

    One gets the strong sense that it is no longer considered a mark of sophistication to go to the symphony -- it's all about those dead white males, you know. And if no social status attaches to it, it's audience is doomed to wither, because there have never been many people who genuinely love the music.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Brutusale

    I think opera has a chance to survive because younger impresarios are willing to do all sorts of crazy stuff to entertain audiences. In LA the Pacific Opera Project is a low budget operation that delivers a huge amount of entertainment for about $12 per hour. In 20 years they’ll be an expensive, serious operation, but there will be newcomer minor league outfits doing what they are doing now.

    Opera just has more going on than symphonies.

    • Replies: @Name Withheld
    @Steve Sailer

    re: Classical Music Decline:

    Classical Orchestras in the USA love to have these outreach programs to minority children. The BSO, here in Baltimore cannot stop promoting them. Besides believing they are a waste of money, I have some questions for these Orchestras.

    What is your timeline for promoting classical music to 8-9 year old kids, 20-30 years?
    Do you really think when they are adults, they will be attending concerts, and giving money?

    A much better approach would be to sponsor a show on Netflix, about some cool sexy people in their 20's that have an exciting life playing for an Orchestra. Sort of like the show "Fame", except for for classical musicians. Set the show in Portland, with alot of bicycles, trolleys, and brewpubs.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  70. ” I also live in one of the Rainier neighborhoods, close to where I grew up, the son of a Japanese mother.”

    “There was always nervous banter as we cruised through small rural towns on our way to a park. And there were jokes about finding a “Whites Only” sign at the entrance to our destination or the perils of being lynched or attacked while collecting firewood after the sun went down. Our cultural history taught us what to expect.”

    I didn’t know there was a history of Japanese people in the U.S being lynched to a tree by the Ku Klux Klan.

    Why it is that all Nonwhite groups in the U.S try to piggy back off of African American victim hood? Yeah Japanese Americans are so oppressed by White supremacy/White privilege that they are all forced to live in very racially segregated high crime neighborhoods. Maybe Japanese Americans need Section 8 housing. Because you know how economically disadvantaged Japanese Americans are. Their poverty rate in the U.S is through the roof. And of course racist White police officers are always gunning down and killing young Japanese American Yoofs on a daily basis.

  71. @Sunbeam
    @andy

    "My hypothesis is that the European wildlands were relatively safe to enjoy (there is a lack of poisonous animals like snakes or other vermins in Europe, for example, in comparison with what you see in much of Asia, Africa or the Americas)."

    I think climate plays a big role in this.

    Look on this site you see people claiming genes are the root and explanation of EVERYTHING. Let's not examine that right now.

    But I am from the South and have been to the West Coast. White or black, you do not see the hordes of people hiking down there you see in Seattle for example.

    My personal explanation is climate. I (and others) have brought this up a lot, but when you have high heat and humidity you don't feel like doing much of anything.

    Whereas on the West Coast you always feel like a million bucks with the low humidity. Even among the subgroups in the South that have the markers associated with hiking nationwide (ethnicity, age, marital status, income, education) you just do not see them like you do around Seattle.

    Funny thing is that even as hilly as Seattle is, I found it far easier to walk a couple of miles there than I did in the region of the South I am from. The low humidity and the 10 to 15 degree lower temperature was a winning combo.

    Plus when you hike in the South, there really isn't much to see. Unless you are in the mountains I guess. Just one relatively flat pine forest after another, unless you are into the occasional swamp and bog.

    One day I'd like to read a book about how climate (meaning heat and humidity) has influenced human history. This is an anecdote, but thinking back, you are on the West Coast and get used to it quickly. Then you come back on an air conditioned jet, walk in an air conditioned airport.

    As soon as you walk through the doors to go outside at an airport, the air hits you like a hammer. The speech is figurative, but I know a lot of you know what I am talking about.

    And all that energy you had on the West Coast goes bye bye.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @iffen, @Jack D

    Speak for yourself, SB. Some of us don’t have a problem with the heat and humidity. Lots of good comments from you.

  72. @Anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123


    The pay starts at $64,020.00 and goes up to $83,227.00. That’s more than the average management consultant, financial analyst, or law school graduate. I’d bet it’s more fun too.
     
    Double that salary range and you'll have the annual salary most federal park rangers make. Not kidding, I know first-hand. Though most have four-year degrees (mostly CJ).

    Here's a possible snag with making federal park rangers less white. Federal park rangers need a background check. Non-armed go through an MBI (minimal background investigation) and armed need a higher level clearance. Things like financial issues, criminal records, employment problems, etc., can sink an applicant.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Wow. That’s a lot of money for working in a park.

    The govt is, generally, a much better employer than the private sector. Unless you have a Ivy League MBA/JD or a manic drive to climb a private sector organizational ladder. Even then, what govt may not be able to pay you, they more than make up for with work/life balance and benefits/pension.

    If you’re a really hardworking govt employee and do well on your promotional exams, you can climb to the type of pay range you’d see in corporate managers. Perhaps you won’t make as much as an elite MBA/JD guy, but those fields have a VERY high turnover rate (burnout and firing is common) and are hard to break into.

    I also remember reading somewhere that the graduates of the top MBA/JD programs (ie Harvard, Wharton, Stanford) had a median mid career pay of about $150,000-$200,000 per year. If you can make 2/3 that much in the govt and have better benefits (while also living in a lower-cost tier 2 city), I’d assume you’d have at least an equally good financial situation.

    Sure the upper end of the elite MBA/JD cohort often make a lot more than $200,000 and a smaller number even make millions, but why work so hard when you probably won’t be in that group? I think in most cases, the senior govt employee is better off than the elite MBA/JD guys. Even let’s say that you do make millions by working that 80 hour Wall Street workweek for decades. Is it a good idea to kill yourself so your spouse and children can enjoy the wealth you make?

    Embrace Uncle Sam.

  73. @elmer
    Urban blacks are uncomfortable in the woods. Rural blacks have no problem with it. When I was in the Army spent some weeks being a civilian-clothed "guerilla" for training SF troops. The white guys loved it. Three weeks running around playing Cong. The black guys who had been rounded up from the support battalions showed up in orange pants and platform shoes (it was the 70s). Wear your civies they were told. They were not happy campers.

    Replies: @iffen

    You are on track here. Urban blacks run away from the rural past like nobody’s business.

  74. @Sunbeam
    @andy

    "My hypothesis is that the European wildlands were relatively safe to enjoy (there is a lack of poisonous animals like snakes or other vermins in Europe, for example, in comparison with what you see in much of Asia, Africa or the Americas)."

    I think climate plays a big role in this.

    Look on this site you see people claiming genes are the root and explanation of EVERYTHING. Let's not examine that right now.

    But I am from the South and have been to the West Coast. White or black, you do not see the hordes of people hiking down there you see in Seattle for example.

    My personal explanation is climate. I (and others) have brought this up a lot, but when you have high heat and humidity you don't feel like doing much of anything.

    Whereas on the West Coast you always feel like a million bucks with the low humidity. Even among the subgroups in the South that have the markers associated with hiking nationwide (ethnicity, age, marital status, income, education) you just do not see them like you do around Seattle.

    Funny thing is that even as hilly as Seattle is, I found it far easier to walk a couple of miles there than I did in the region of the South I am from. The low humidity and the 10 to 15 degree lower temperature was a winning combo.

    Plus when you hike in the South, there really isn't much to see. Unless you are in the mountains I guess. Just one relatively flat pine forest after another, unless you are into the occasional swamp and bog.

    One day I'd like to read a book about how climate (meaning heat and humidity) has influenced human history. This is an anecdote, but thinking back, you are on the West Coast and get used to it quickly. Then you come back on an air conditioned jet, walk in an air conditioned airport.

    As soon as you walk through the doors to go outside at an airport, the air hits you like a hammer. The speech is figurative, but I know a lot of you know what I am talking about.

    And all that energy you had on the West Coast goes bye bye.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @iffen, @Jack D

    It’s funny you should mention the airport. My son visited Ghana recently and that was his keenest memory – they opened the airplane doors (naturally no jetway) and immediately the tropical air hit him like a ton of bricks. It was 96% humidity every day (and electricity to run the air conditioning was rarely working). The contrast must be especially strong because the air on an airplane is very dry. Air that is 96% humidity is literally heavier/thicker than dry air.

  75. @Anonymous

    Sure there are highly paid and glamorous private sector jobs too. The problem is that the 80-hour, high-stress work week of financiers, consultants, corporate lawyers, startup technologists, entrepreneurs, and elite business managers requires serious sacrifices. Why not take it easy instead?

    Here’s a job posting for “Supervisory Park Ranger.”

    https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/409123800

    The pay starts at $64,020.00 and goes up to $83,227.00. That’s more than the average management consultant, financial analyst, or law school graduate. I’d bet it’s more fun too.
     

    Or you can have no college degree and retire as a cop from a major police department on a much bigger pension (and tax-free). Look at loser Corey Pegues who retired from NYPD in his early forties with a tax-free $135k/year pension: A retired cop’s shocking life of drugs and crime. Or "Little Miss Dangerous", the NYPD drug-using, crime-committing young blond female cop who was pulling down $95k before being fired (after she was arrested 3 times in 8 months for B&E, theft, etc.).

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Again. Why kill yourself in the corporate grind when you can slack off in the govt? For a 15% chance of becoming a senior level manager (or, for elite credential holders, partner) and working even worse hours?

    In Europe, people long ago realized that it’s better to have an easy life in the bureaucracy,

  76. I have heard Blacks says they would never camp in a national park because they do not want to end up dead like in those horror films that take place in the woods like The Blair Witch Project and Friday The 13th for example.

    Blacks are a lot more scared of rural areas than they are of high crime neighborhoods in big cities.

    • Replies: @jack shindo
    @Jefferson

    So true! You cannot hear the music to alert you to the attacking bears or those bad witches so it ain't no thang so best to stay away.

  77. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    The NYT oped actually does quote some black people about how they are scared of bears. That's not unreasonable. When we spent 9 days camping near Kings Canyon, a bear came snuffling within a few feet of our tent every single night.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Steve, was it a “black” bear…..counts towards diversity. Polar bears not so much.

  78. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anon

    90% of the time blacks say something that sounds ridiculous, they're joking with you. The problem is that if you follow the joke right back, you risk getting fired if you're in the workplace.

    Replies: @Anon

    Yes. And they get off on intimidating white people both passively and directly especially when they know there’s nothing that can be said in response.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anon

    A smirk is all that is needed.

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/05/01/norways-200th-national-day-celebration/

    , @casey
    @Anon

    As a young art student, I was once introduced to Jean-Michel Basquiat, one of the most famous artists in NYC at the time, at an art opening. As I extended my hand, before I could say a word he turned to me and announced in a mocking tone "I'm the first Black blue-chip artist" and then stared at me, almost defiantly, with a satisfied smirk on his face. As a naive, shy scholarship student fresh off the turnip truck, who could sense but not understand his aggression or why it was directed at me, I was stunned. My mortification was made complete by my inability to come up with a reply of any kind let alone a clever one. I finely stammered something and slunk away as soon as I could with the distinct feeling that he had enjoyed my discomfort. I always thought that was pretty mean of him, even though he died soon afterwards and doesn't seem to have been a very happy person.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Michel_Basquiat

    Replies: @Curle

  79. States like Maryland and Georgia have a large Black middle class/upper class in the Atlanta metropolitan area and PG County, yet you still do not see a lot of Blacks camping in Maryland and Georgia’s national parks. So it is not a class thing when not even the Black bourgeoisie have much interest in camping. It’s a racial thing. African Americans on average just have a huge phobia of camping and hiking regardless of where they stand on the economic food chain.

  80. @Reg Cæsar
    The answer lies in the biggest park in the US. No, not Pennekamp-- that's underwater and doesn't count. It's Adirondack. Adirondack State Park.

    Because the park was delineated after the area was settled, more than 130,000 people live within its border.

    So we do this again. Establish Anacostia National Park in the District of Columbia. Hundreds of thousands of blacks will "attend" or "visit" this park daily, simply by living there. Problem solved.

    They can even recycle Adirondack's slogan. "Forever wild."

    Replies: @iffen, @tbraton

    That’s not nice.

  81. @anon
    What's so hard to understand. Blacks don't really like being around whites very much. They think national parks are too many whites for their taste. They also don't attend baseball games, auto racing, white popular music concerts, symphony (as far as I know), ballet, non-black plays, etc., etc. Barring outright payment for blacks to go to national parks, I don't see how they get passed this conundrum.

    (And I'm guessing the Times wouldn't publish some snickering jokes between some suburban white and Asian American about how they hope they don't get offed passing through the ghetto on their way to some football or baseball game.)

    Replies: @Anon, @candid_observer, @jack shindo

    It is easy to understand that black people do not like being around white hypocracy, deceit and stupidity, to say the least! But it is also absurd. Actually black people attend many of the aforementioned, though is lesser frequency than so, the collective white park visitorship.

    There is actually no problem here. Expecting black citizens from Compton, Brooklyn or East LA to visit a national park is akin to a white person at a Glady Kinight, Jay Z, Espernaza Spaulding or similar endeavour. IF you are cognizant of those types of venue, then regardless of who you are and you are motivated, you will take part (regardless fo ethnicty, race or whatveer) because your awareness, and pocketbook will dictate your choice. You also do not get minorities (black, Mexican, Asian, etc pick your choice) getting lost in the park or being attacked by bears or other animals, or camping out in a snowstorm just to get lost

  82. @Jefferson
    I have heard Blacks says they would never camp in a national park because they do not want to end up dead like in those horror films that take place in the woods like The Blair Witch Project and Friday The 13th for example.

    Blacks are a lot more scared of rural areas than they are of high crime neighborhoods in big cities.

    Replies: @jack shindo

    So true! You cannot hear the music to alert you to the attacking bears or those bad witches so it ain’t no thang so best to stay away.

  83. @ben tillman

    … We need to demolish the notion that the national parks and the rest of nature are an exclusive club where minorities are unwelcome.
     
    I've got a better idea. Let's demolish the term "minorities".

    Replies: @Anonymous

    ben, they will never abolish the term ‘minorities’ because it is their bread and butter!

  84. Blacks] also don’t attend baseball games

    Black participation in baseball seems to be about 10%- 15% from L League to the majors. America’s pastime.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @iffen

    "Black participation in baseball seems to be about 10%- 15% from L League to the majors. America’s pastime."

    The percentage of Blacks in the MLB is a lot higher than that when you include Latin American Negroes like Yuniesky Perez Betancourt who is Cuban. Phenotype wise he would blend right in a crowd of African Americans.
    https://creamcitycables.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/betancourt.jpg

    Why do so many people consider Afro Latino MLB players to be "Honorary Whites" when the topic of race and the MLB come up. They just end up being lumped with Whites whenever people say the MLB is extremely White.

    Replies: @iffen

  85. America’s national parks should start hosting rap concerts in order to attract more Blacks. Kanye West and Jay-Z perform “Negroes In Paris” at the Santa Monica Mountains National Recreation Area. That will attract a lot of the South Central, Compton, and Inglewood demographics.

  86. @Steve Sailer
    @Harry Baldwin

    Obama once had a job promoting recycling among communities of color. He quit pretty fast and doesn't talk about it much.

    Replies: @iffen

    Excepting aluminum, recycling has major problems. You can’t give most of that stuff away; you have to pay someone to take it.

  87. @Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Yes. And they get off on intimidating white people both passively and directly especially when they know there's nothing that can be said in response.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @casey

  88. @Reg Cæsar
    The answer lies in the biggest park in the US. No, not Pennekamp-- that's underwater and doesn't count. It's Adirondack. Adirondack State Park.

    Because the park was delineated after the area was settled, more than 130,000 people live within its border.

    So we do this again. Establish Anacostia National Park in the District of Columbia. Hundreds of thousands of blacks will "attend" or "visit" this park daily, simply by living there. Problem solved.

    They can even recycle Adirondack's slogan. "Forever wild."

    Replies: @iffen, @tbraton

    “So we do this again. Establish Anacostia National Park in the District of Columbia. Hundreds of thousands of blacks will “attend” or “visit” this park daily, simply by living there. Problem solved.”

    Funny you should mention “Anacostia National Park.” Up until the 60’s there was a broad swath of grassy land containing a small golf course, a large community swimming pool and a number of tennis courts (including a couple of red clay tennis courts) along the Anacostia River stretching from the Sousa Bridge to beyond the 11th Street bridge. That was all eliminated so they could build the multi-lane Southwest Expressway. I don’t know if it was dedicated to Robert Moses, who, I understand, performed similar “civilizing” gestures up in New York. BTW before the Freeway was built, the Anacostia section of D.C. was mostly middle class/lower middle class white. BTW that grassy area of Anacostia along the river was where the “bonus army” of World War I veterans set up its headquarters in the spring and summer of 1932 before they were routed by Gen. Douglas McArthur, with the assistance of six tanks.

  89. @Steve Sailer
    @candid_observer

    I think opera has a chance to survive because younger impresarios are willing to do all sorts of crazy stuff to entertain audiences. In LA the Pacific Opera Project is a low budget operation that delivers a huge amount of entertainment for about $12 per hour. In 20 years they'll be an expensive, serious operation, but there will be newcomer minor league outfits doing what they are doing now.

    Opera just has more going on than symphonies.

    Replies: @Name Withheld

    re: Classical Music Decline:

    Classical Orchestras in the USA love to have these outreach programs to minority children. The BSO, here in Baltimore cannot stop promoting them. Besides believing they are a waste of money, I have some questions for these Orchestras.

    What is your timeline for promoting classical music to 8-9 year old kids, 20-30 years?
    Do you really think when they are adults, they will be attending concerts, and giving money?

    A much better approach would be to sponsor a show on Netflix, about some cool sexy people in their 20’s that have an exciting life playing for an Orchestra. Sort of like the show “Fame”, except for for classical musicians. Set the show in Portland, with alot of bicycles, trolleys, and brewpubs.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Name Withheld


    Set the show in Portland, with alot of bicycles, trolleys, and brewpubs.
     
    And combinations thereof.

    Beezus and Ramona at the Symphony.
  90. Soooo… The various minorities are practically all of them mostly urban… And the hinterlands are mostly white… And people are surprised that urban people don’t want to go to rural places or do rural jobs. And blame racism for it.

    OK.

  91. @andy
    I think enjoying the Outdoors is very much a European thing that White Americans inherited from their European ancestors. My hypothesis is that the European wildlands were relatively safe to enjoy (there is a lack of poisonous animals like snakes or other vermins in Europe, for example, in comparison with what you see in much of Asia, Africa or the Americas).

    Replies: @dumpstersquirrel, @Sunbeam, @Alastair Trumpington, @The Inscrutable Chinaman

    Not sure I agree entirely. East Asians have a vibrant park culture. In fact, the problem in mainland China, in particular, is you can’t go to a major park without being overwhelmed by the mass of humanity. Worse, they all litter. And spit. And their kids defecate. Everywhere.

  92. @iffen

    Blacks] also don’t attend baseball games
     
    Black participation in baseball seems to be about 10%- 15% from L League to the majors. America's pastime.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Black participation in baseball seems to be about 10%- 15% from L League to the majors. America’s pastime.”

    The percentage of Blacks in the MLB is a lot higher than that when you include Latin American Negroes like Yuniesky Perez Betancourt who is Cuban. Phenotype wise he would blend right in a crowd of African Americans.

    Why do so many people consider Afro Latino MLB players to be “Honorary Whites” when the topic of race and the MLB come up. They just end up being lumped with Whites whenever people say the MLB is extremely White.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Jefferson


    The percentage of Blacks in the MLB is a lot higher than that when you include Latin American Negroes
     
    I didn't and I don't.


    Why do so many people consider Afro Latino MLB players to be “Honorary Whites” when the topic of race and the MLB come up.
     
    Because some people can't see past skin color.

    Replies: @Jefferson

  93. @Name Withheld
    @Steve Sailer

    re: Classical Music Decline:

    Classical Orchestras in the USA love to have these outreach programs to minority children. The BSO, here in Baltimore cannot stop promoting them. Besides believing they are a waste of money, I have some questions for these Orchestras.

    What is your timeline for promoting classical music to 8-9 year old kids, 20-30 years?
    Do you really think when they are adults, they will be attending concerts, and giving money?

    A much better approach would be to sponsor a show on Netflix, about some cool sexy people in their 20's that have an exciting life playing for an Orchestra. Sort of like the show "Fame", except for for classical musicians. Set the show in Portland, with alot of bicycles, trolleys, and brewpubs.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Set the show in Portland, with alot of bicycles, trolleys, and brewpubs.

    And combinations thereof.

    Beezus and Ramona at the Symphony.

  94. There was always nervous banter as we cruised through small rural towns on our way to a park. And there were jokes about finding a “Whites Only” sign at the entrance to our destination or the perils of being lynched or attacked while collecting firewood after the sun went down.

    No wonder they were nervous. That sort of thing used to happen a lot around Mt. Rainier. That’s why it’s known as “the mountain…of hate.”

    We went to Yellowstone this summer, and it wasn’t exactly a klan meeting. There were Asians. A few blacks, but not many. My wife offered (at my suggestion) to take a black family’s photo in front of the Yellowstone sign. They seemed like real nice folks. An arabic speaking woman (I believe) pointed out to me – in broken English – an osprey nest in the beautiful yellow rocked canyon area. The national park vibe is hardly exclusive, people are engaged with each other because of the wildlife. I freely admit that I liked being in a vacation area that was predominantly white, but to be honest, that was all secondary to the wildlife.

    This “Blacks need to get out into nature” mantra is very paternalistic towards blacks. Treating them like 4th graders whose tastes can be molded by field trips. This Asian ranger guy wants the world to look like him.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @J1234


    No wonder they were nervous. That sort of thing used to happen a lot around Mt. Rainier. That’s why it’s known as “the mountain…of hate.”
     
    Right. I'm still not convinced we know what happened to Laura Palmer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Palmer
  95. There is a Biracial Mulatta Mormon chick on my Facebook friends list who is into camping and hiking, but she is extremely culturally White washed. She has a White boyfriend and she lives in Boise, Idaho. So she is definitely not the typical Sista.

  96. @Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Yes. And they get off on intimidating white people both passively and directly especially when they know there's nothing that can be said in response.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @casey

    As a young art student, I was once introduced to Jean-Michel Basquiat, one of the most famous artists in NYC at the time, at an art opening. As I extended my hand, before I could say a word he turned to me and announced in a mocking tone “I’m the first Black blue-chip artist” and then stared at me, almost defiantly, with a satisfied smirk on his face. As a naive, shy scholarship student fresh off the turnip truck, who could sense but not understand his aggression or why it was directed at me, I was stunned. My mortification was made complete by my inability to come up with a reply of any kind let alone a clever one. I finely stammered something and slunk away as soon as I could with the distinct feeling that he had enjoyed my discomfort. I always thought that was pretty mean of him, even though he died soon afterwards and doesn’t seem to have been a very happy person.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Michel_Basquiat

    • Replies: @Curle
    @casey

    The dude allegedly slept with men. He was probably trying to pick you up.

    Replies: @casey

  97. @J1234

    There was always nervous banter as we cruised through small rural towns on our way to a park. And there were jokes about finding a “Whites Only” sign at the entrance to our destination or the perils of being lynched or attacked while collecting firewood after the sun went down.
     
    No wonder they were nervous. That sort of thing used to happen a lot around Mt. Rainier. That's why it's known as "the mountain...of hate."

    We went to Yellowstone this summer, and it wasn't exactly a klan meeting. There were Asians. A few blacks, but not many. My wife offered (at my suggestion) to take a black family's photo in front of the Yellowstone sign. They seemed like real nice folks. An arabic speaking woman (I believe) pointed out to me - in broken English - an osprey nest in the beautiful yellow rocked canyon area. The national park vibe is hardly exclusive, people are engaged with each other because of the wildlife. I freely admit that I liked being in a vacation area that was predominantly white, but to be honest, that was all secondary to the wildlife.

    This "Blacks need to get out into nature" mantra is very paternalistic towards blacks. Treating them like 4th graders whose tastes can be molded by field trips. This Asian ranger guy wants the world to look like him.

    Replies: @Curle

    No wonder they were nervous. That sort of thing used to happen a lot around Mt. Rainier. That’s why it’s known as “the mountain…of hate.”

    Right. I’m still not convinced we know what happened to Laura Palmer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Palmer

  98. @casey
    @Anon

    As a young art student, I was once introduced to Jean-Michel Basquiat, one of the most famous artists in NYC at the time, at an art opening. As I extended my hand, before I could say a word he turned to me and announced in a mocking tone "I'm the first Black blue-chip artist" and then stared at me, almost defiantly, with a satisfied smirk on his face. As a naive, shy scholarship student fresh off the turnip truck, who could sense but not understand his aggression or why it was directed at me, I was stunned. My mortification was made complete by my inability to come up with a reply of any kind let alone a clever one. I finely stammered something and slunk away as soon as I could with the distinct feeling that he had enjoyed my discomfort. I always thought that was pretty mean of him, even though he died soon afterwards and doesn't seem to have been a very happy person.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Michel_Basquiat

    Replies: @Curle

    The dude allegedly slept with men. He was probably trying to pick you up.

    • Replies: @casey
    @Curle

    lol casey is a unisex name and I am not a man- I use this name on twitter with a female looking avatar but it doesn't really work here with no picture and I think its use as a girls name it is more recent. Interestingly if you search the name on twitter it seems 50% split. Also, on this blog it's mostly males posting so the assumption is probably male unless strong evidence otherwise (I have been posting a lot of feminist comments, but I know everybody doesn't follow every thread). Maybe I should change it.

  99. @Curle
    @casey

    The dude allegedly slept with men. He was probably trying to pick you up.

    Replies: @casey

    lol casey is a unisex name and I am not a man- I use this name on twitter with a female looking avatar but it doesn’t really work here with no picture and I think its use as a girls name it is more recent. Interestingly if you search the name on twitter it seems 50% split. Also, on this blog it’s mostly males posting so the assumption is probably male unless strong evidence otherwise (I have been posting a lot of feminist comments, but I know everybody doesn’t follow every thread). Maybe I should change it.

  100. @Jefferson
    @iffen

    "Black participation in baseball seems to be about 10%- 15% from L League to the majors. America’s pastime."

    The percentage of Blacks in the MLB is a lot higher than that when you include Latin American Negroes like Yuniesky Perez Betancourt who is Cuban. Phenotype wise he would blend right in a crowd of African Americans.
    https://creamcitycables.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/betancourt.jpg

    Why do so many people consider Afro Latino MLB players to be "Honorary Whites" when the topic of race and the MLB come up. They just end up being lumped with Whites whenever people say the MLB is extremely White.

    Replies: @iffen

    The percentage of Blacks in the MLB is a lot higher than that when you include Latin American Negroes

    I didn’t and I don’t.

    Why do so many people consider Afro Latino MLB players to be “Honorary Whites” when the topic of race and the MLB come up.

    Because some people can’t see past skin color.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @iffen

    " The percentage of Blacks in the MLB is a lot higher than that when you include Latin American Negroes

    I didn’t and I don’t."

    Why don't you consider Latin American Negroes to be Black when they share the same Sub Saharan DNA as African Americans. Having a Spanish last name does not make them White. Does having a German last name make George Zimmerman a Nordic?

    Replies: @iffen

  101. @candid_observer
    @anon


    [Blacks] also don’t attend baseball games, auto racing, white popular music concerts, symphony (as far as I know),
     
    Yeah, the symphony and classical music in general is an interesting case in demography, though one doesn't hear much about it.

    Here in Boston, hardly any blacks (I mean well less than 1 in 100, by my reckoning) can be found in the audience at the BSO. It seems to be only worse -- if that's even possible -- at say the Handel and Hayden society concerts.

    What's more peculiar is that hardly any Asians can be found in the audience at the concerts either (I'd guess maybe 1 in 50, and rarely as a couple or family of Asians, or as a singleton). What's strange about that is that Asians -- Asian women in particular -- are a very notable presence on the stage, and tend to dominate the violins (not so much at Handel and Hayden, though, as I recollect). And hardly a single Asian male can be found as a performer -- and they are distinctly less common than Asian females in the audience, as I recollect.

    And of course the median age of the audience is probably 70-75, the other obvious demographic fact.

    I don't know how classical music is going to survive in a decade or two, at least as based on audience willing to pay considerable bucks to experience it.

    One gets the strong sense that it is no longer considered a mark of sophistication to go to the symphony -- it's all about those dead white males, you know. And if no social status attaches to it, it's audience is doomed to wither, because there have never been many people who genuinely love the music.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Brutusale

    Funny that I just read this; the woman who just served me coffee is an opera singer (Longy School grad) whose Asian boyfriend just got a job at the H & H.

    So there’ll be at least one young Asian guy there!

  102. “Why don’t blacks like national parks?”

    It’s the same why a number of whites, Hispanics, and Asians don’t go there–cost, travel distance, and lack of information.

    “why non-white-ified ghetto black people eat at McDonalds more than they eat salads.”

    I’m sure you statistics to back up your claim, right?

    “Lefties may want to think twice before engaging in a campaign encouraging more NAM’s to explore National parks.”

    Actually, people who are Democrat or Republican generally don’t care about who is at a national park. They are there for the experience.

    “I’ve noticed that middle/upper class blacks seem to often prefer working in the govt to the private sector.”

    Black workers are more likely to be employed in the public sector than are either their white or Hispanic counterparts. In 2011, nearly 20 percent of employed Blacks worked for state, local, or federal government compared to 14.2 percent of Whites and 10.4 percent of Hispanics. Blacks are less likely than Hispanics and NEARLY AS LIKELY as Whites to work in the private sector, not including the self-employed.–United States Department Of Labor

    “Every public pool I’ve seen is more black kid than water.”

    You’re really obsesses with this sort of thing, huh? Besides, I didn’t realize that race had anything to do with going out and enjoying the summer.

    “To show African-Americans that National parks are fun, we should offer a “black face” dispensation to whites.”

    Yeah, why don’t you develop and implement that program and see how far you get.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Corvinus

    Working on getting a grant from the Parks Department.

  103. I saw a big picture book about black park rangers and environmental activists, in the gift shop of a California state park in the Tahoe area. Real role model types. I don’t remember seeing any blacks in that park, though, to draw inspiration from those books. So it’s kind of a chicken-or-egg situation.

  104. @iffen
    @Jefferson


    The percentage of Blacks in the MLB is a lot higher than that when you include Latin American Negroes
     
    I didn't and I don't.


    Why do so many people consider Afro Latino MLB players to be “Honorary Whites” when the topic of race and the MLB come up.
     
    Because some people can't see past skin color.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    ” The percentage of Blacks in the MLB is a lot higher than that when you include Latin American Negroes

    I didn’t and I don’t.”

    Why don’t you consider Latin American Negroes to be Black when they share the same Sub Saharan DNA as African Americans. Having a Spanish last name does not make them White. Does having a German last name make George Zimmerman a Nordic?

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Jefferson

    I was talking about American black interest and participation in baseball. In line with the topic of the post that American blacks don't appreciate and utilize the National Parks, some people worry that not enough American blacks are participating in baseball. I was giving my opinion that American black participation was close to their % of the US population.

  105. @Corvinus
    "Why don’t blacks like national parks?"

    It's the same why a number of whites, Hispanics, and Asians don't go there--cost, travel distance, and lack of information.


    "why non-white-ified ghetto black people eat at McDonalds more than they eat salads."

    I'm sure you statistics to back up your claim, right?


    "Lefties may want to think twice before engaging in a campaign encouraging more NAM’s to explore National parks."

    Actually, people who are Democrat or Republican generally don't care about who is at a national park. They are there for the experience.


    "I’ve noticed that middle/upper class blacks seem to often prefer working in the govt to the private sector."

    Black workers are more likely to be employed in the public sector than are either their white or Hispanic counterparts. In 2011, nearly 20 percent of employed Blacks worked for state, local, or federal government compared to 14.2 percent of Whites and 10.4 percent of Hispanics. Blacks are less likely than Hispanics and NEARLY AS LIKELY as Whites to work in the private sector, not including the self-employed.--United States Department Of Labor

    "Every public pool I’ve seen is more black kid than water."

    You're really obsesses with this sort of thing, huh? Besides, I didn't realize that race had anything to do with going out and enjoying the summer.

    "To show African-Americans that National parks are fun, we should offer a “black face” dispensation to whites."

    Yeah, why don't you develop and implement that program and see how far you get.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Working on getting a grant from the Parks Department.

  106. @Jefferson
    @iffen

    " The percentage of Blacks in the MLB is a lot higher than that when you include Latin American Negroes

    I didn’t and I don’t."

    Why don't you consider Latin American Negroes to be Black when they share the same Sub Saharan DNA as African Americans. Having a Spanish last name does not make them White. Does having a German last name make George Zimmerman a Nordic?

    Replies: @iffen

    I was talking about American black interest and participation in baseball. In line with the topic of the post that American blacks don’t appreciate and utilize the National Parks, some people worry that not enough American blacks are participating in baseball. I was giving my opinion that American black participation was close to their % of the US population.

  107. I know lots of blacks who love to go hunting and fishing in the woods. But you can’t do those things in National and State Parks. My black buddies would find it silly and pointless to go into the woods without a rifle or a fishing pole.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Brent

    My impression back in the 1980s in Los Angeles and Chicago was that the main thing African-Americans liked to do near big bodies of water is fish. I don't know if that Southern pastime has been passed on to a new generation, or if it's died out by now.

  108. @Brent
    I know lots of blacks who love to go hunting and fishing in the woods. But you can't do those things in National and State Parks. My black buddies would find it silly and pointless to go into the woods without a rifle or a fishing pole.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    My impression back in the 1980s in Los Angeles and Chicago was that the main thing African-Americans liked to do near big bodies of water is fish. I don’t know if that Southern pastime has been passed on to a new generation, or if it’s died out by now.

  109. Joshua Tree National park transforms into a barrio caravan on the weekends. White visitors typically walk on eggshells while navigating the uncomfortable clash of cultures at the public campgrounds. You could tell by the looks on their faces and subtle hints in passing conversation that they were expecting to escape that sort of vibrancy for at least a couple of days.

  110. … Rainier neighborhoods, close to where I grew up, the son of a Japanese mother. I met my oldest friend in the Boy Scouts, an African-American from a family that, like mine, frequented the parks. In college, he and I led outings for minority student groups.

    There was always nervous banter as we cruised through small rural towns on our way to a park. And there were jokes about finding a “Whites Only” sign at the entrance to our destination or the perils of being lynched or attacked while collecting firewood after the sun went down. Our cultural history taught us what to expect.

    What a bunch of bullshit. Nelson’s “cultural history” didn’t teach him”what to expect,” his liberal Washington suburban upbringing taught him to baselessly demonize rual people.

    The fact is, Nelson never saw a “white only” sign, was never lynched or attacked, because it doesn’t happen (or, incidence do low as to be less than comparable to lightning strikes). Glenn Nelson was raised to be an anti-white racist.

  111. I enjoy learning from your sociological expertise. It really gives me a good laugh so thank you for that. Also, you have quite the impressive list of accomplishments.

    Education:
    MBA (Rice University)
    PHD in Sociology (Moronic Institute of Subjective Sciences)

    Books:
    Understanding the Social Sciences: An Introduction to Using Academic Sociological Terms Incorrectly on Blogging Websites by Steve Sailer

    Social Stratification: Understanding How to Properly Stereotype Minorities in the Public Sphere to Limit Upward Mobility by Steve Sailer

    Sociology My Way by Steve Sailer

    I know that you may not approve this comment since you are so humble and don’t like bragging about your accomplishments. So, I just wanted to give you some well deserved praise! Way to go achiever!

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Praise the Sailer

    The books you've mentioned are out of stock at Amazon but there's one you can get, that you've overlooked and which is well worth your while: _America's Half-blood Prince_. Really, I'm serious. It's one of the 10 best books I've read in recent years.

    BTW it's PhD, small letter h. Just a heads-up in case you've misspelled it on your own resume too.

    Replies: @Praise the Sailer

  112. @Praise the Sailer
    I enjoy learning from your sociological expertise. It really gives me a good laugh so thank you for that. Also, you have quite the impressive list of accomplishments.

    Education:
    MBA (Rice University)
    PHD in Sociology (Moronic Institute of Subjective Sciences)

    Books:
    Understanding the Social Sciences: An Introduction to Using Academic Sociological Terms Incorrectly on Blogging Websites by Steve Sailer

    Social Stratification: Understanding How to Properly Stereotype Minorities in the Public Sphere to Limit Upward Mobility by Steve Sailer

    Sociology My Way by Steve Sailer


    I know that you may not approve this comment since you are so humble and don't like bragging about your accomplishments. So, I just wanted to give you some well deserved praise! Way to go achiever!

    Replies: @International Jew

    The books you’ve mentioned are out of stock at Amazon but there’s one you can get, that you’ve overlooked and which is well worth your while: _America’s Half-blood Prince_. Really, I’m serious. It’s one of the 10 best books I’ve read in recent years.

    BTW it’s PhD, small letter h. Just a heads-up in case you’ve misspelled it on your own resume too.

    • Replies: @Praise the Sailer
    @International Jew

    My goodness, you have found a typographical error in my response to an Internet blog. How very considerate of you for pointing that out. Anything else I missd (humor)?

  113. @International Jew
    @Praise the Sailer

    The books you've mentioned are out of stock at Amazon but there's one you can get, that you've overlooked and which is well worth your while: _America's Half-blood Prince_. Really, I'm serious. It's one of the 10 best books I've read in recent years.

    BTW it's PhD, small letter h. Just a heads-up in case you've misspelled it on your own resume too.

    Replies: @Praise the Sailer

    My goodness, you have found a typographical error in my response to an Internet blog. How very considerate of you for pointing that out. Anything else I missd (humor)?

  114. I´m with black people on this one. I grew up in a high density city were everything is lit, and if its not, bad stuff can happen. My work took me to Alaska recently and in the rural towns\areas are literally PITCH BLACK. For somebody from the city that is terrifying. I´m Irish, so I can handle myself in a fight, and living around blacks I have enough banter to talk myself out of harrassment or even robbery. And even if I do get robbed it´s not the end of the world, so I feel no fear walking in a city, even in the hood. But, walking through dark wilderness not knowing if a wolf or bear could eat me alive is terrifying. Or even wild thoughts of some crazy “Deliverance” type people crosses my mind. I can fight, escape, or pick up a rock against a human, bears not so much. Though during the day I am not frightened, I once stumbled upon a gigantic moose and the feeling of defenselessness was overwhelming. I have and can fight human, black or white, animals scare the S**t out of me. So I see where urban blacks are coming from. I do find nature beautiful though, and Alaska takes the cake in that regard.

    • Replies: @dcite
    @Jiggaboo

    You should read David Paulides books, Missing 411. They will haunt you. He's a hard boiled ex-cop who used to go to Naional Parks for escape, and gradually became aware of thousands of persons who disappeared. The missing cases he selected to profile do not fit any animal attack, or even human. They are inexplicable -- many young children go missing. If found, none have been molested, but they have a lot of scratches and are missing clothing. Or they are found up a steep rock where virtually no one could have taken them in the time they were missing. Search and rescue teams scour the country and then the remains may be found in an area searched only days before, and it goes on and on. Eerie.

  115. @Jiggaboo
    I´m with black people on this one. I grew up in a high density city were everything is lit, and if its not, bad stuff can happen. My work took me to Alaska recently and in the rural towns\areas are literally PITCH BLACK. For somebody from the city that is terrifying. I´m Irish, so I can handle myself in a fight, and living around blacks I have enough banter to talk myself out of harrassment or even robbery. And even if I do get robbed it´s not the end of the world, so I feel no fear walking in a city, even in the hood. But, walking through dark wilderness not knowing if a wolf or bear could eat me alive is terrifying. Or even wild thoughts of some crazy "Deliverance" type people crosses my mind. I can fight, escape, or pick up a rock against a human, bears not so much. Though during the day I am not frightened, I once stumbled upon a gigantic moose and the feeling of defenselessness was overwhelming. I have and can fight human, black or white, animals scare the S**t out of me. So I see where urban blacks are coming from. I do find nature beautiful though, and Alaska takes the cake in that regard.

    Replies: @dcite

    You should read David Paulides books, Missing 411. They will haunt you. He’s a hard boiled ex-cop who used to go to Naional Parks for escape, and gradually became aware of thousands of persons who disappeared. The missing cases he selected to profile do not fit any animal attack, or even human. They are inexplicable — many young children go missing. If found, none have been molested, but they have a lot of scratches and are missing clothing. Or they are found up a steep rock where virtually no one could have taken them in the time they were missing. Search and rescue teams scour the country and then the remains may be found in an area searched only days before, and it goes on and on. Eerie.

  116. @WowJustWow
    I'm sure the reason Belle and Sebastian concerts are so white is that they're also an unsafe environment for minorities.

    Replies: @ogunsiron

    I wouldn’t be too surprised to learn that Varg Vikernes has more sincere black fans than Belle and Sebastian.

  117. Because they’re filled with European tourists. Especially if you get more than 100 yards (91.46 meters) from a parking area.

    I was at an NP a few years back, one at which the feature attractions could be (mostly) seen from parking areas where the visitor could climb out of his vehicle and stare into the distance. If he wanted to see anything up close and personal, though, he had to actually walk, anywhere from 1/4 to a little over 3 miles. As soon as I got more than the above 100 yds out, most of the groups walking along with me were speaking German, or French, or with a Brit accent. The ones with an American accent had given up and waddled back to their cars.

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