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From the New York Times:

Huge Racial Disparities Found in Deaths Linked to Pregnancy

African-American, Native American and Alaska Native women are about three times more likely to die from causes related to pregnancy, compared to white women in the United States.

By Roni Caryn Rabin, May 7, 2019

African-American, Native American and Alaska Native women die of pregnancy-related causes at a rate about three times higher than those of white women, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported on Tuesday. …

Maternal health among black women already has emerged as an issue in the 2020 presidential campaign. Senator Kamala Harris, Democrat of California, and Senator Elizabeth Warren, Democrat of Massachusetts, have both raised the glaring racial discrepancies in maternal outcomes on the campaign trail.

“Everyone should be outraged this is happening in America,” Ms. Harris recently said on Twitter. She blamed the deaths on racial bias in the health system.

The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, which was not involved in the C.D.C. report, recently acknowledged that racial bias within the health care system is contributing to the disproportionate number of pregnancy-related deaths among minority women.

“We are missing opportunities to identify risk factors prior to pregnancy, and there are often delays in recognizing symptoms during pregnancy and postpartum, particularly for black women,” Dr. Lisa Hollier, immediate past president of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, said in a statement.

The United States has an abysmal record on maternal health, compared with other high-income countries. Even as maternal death rates fell by more than one-third from 2000 to 2015 across the world, outcomes for American mothers worsened, according to Unicef.

Looking at the data, my guess would be that the successful federal campaign against teen pregnancies has driven up the maternal death rate, because a higher percentage of births are now to women over 35, who are several times more vulnerable than younger women.

The agency found that black women were 3.3 times more likely than white women to suffer a pregnancy-related death; Native American and Alaska Native women were 2.5 times more likely to die than white women. …

Indeed, a greater proportion of the deaths among black women occurred in the later postpartum period, between seven weeks and a year after the delivery, compared with white women, the C.D.C. found.

… African-American women have higher rates of obesity and are more often overweight, which can increase the potential for problems during pregnancy and beyond. Yet obesity has risen among all Americans, noted Dr. Elliott Main, medical director of the California Maternal Quality Care Collaborative.

“That’s not the driver,” he said, referring to higher mortality among black women. “It requires a different level of awareness and attention, but you shouldn’t die of obesity. You shouldn’t die of hypertension.” …

Overall, maternal deaths are rare: Some 700 deaths related to pregnancy occur each year, while there are 3.8 million births.

While 13 white women die for every 100,000 live births, the rate for Hispanic women is even lower: 11.4.

The low rate for Hispanics is finally mentioned in the 26th paragraph of the NYT article. The low rate for Asians, as reported by the CDC, is never mentioned in the entire NYT article.

This article would be less racially inflammatory if instead of using white women as the denominator, it grouped American women into High maternal mortality ethnicities (black and Native American) versus Low mortality ethnicities (Hispanic, white, and Asian). Here are the stats from the CDC for pregnancy related mortality ratio per 100,000 births

Hispanic 11.4
White 13.0
Asian/Pacific Islander 14.2

American Indian/Alaska Native 32.5
Black 42.8

So, it’s not some kind of white racist conspiracy to kill nonwhite mothers.

 
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  1. Glad you’re pushing back against anti-white racism more lately. It’s a real thing and it’s only going to get worse.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Bill P


    Glad you’re pushing back against anti-white racism more lately. It’s a real thing and it’s only going to get worse.
     
    It's necessary.

    If you're going to steal a nation--actually nations, an entire civilization--from a people you need to have a justification.

    Nationalists have a ready argument--"People just want to live as they've lived, with their people, language and culture and passing it on to their children. It's you globalists who are radical, usurpers and destroyers."--that most normal people can sort of "get". Globalists need to make that argument illegitimate and "evil whitey" is their method.
  2. Reporting: Dontraevious beat Florida.
    Reporting in depth: Dontraevious beat his woman Florida because the many boyfriends of his mother had beaten him through his childhood.
    Deconstructing/unpacking: Dontraevious beat Florida because of law-abiding white people 3,450 miles away.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @J.Ross

    Or, perhaps, Dontraevious beats women because his mother beat him when he was young. Because he reminded her of one or another of the many baby daddies she had, all of whom abandoned her to the state welfare rolls. Who knows?

  3. res says:

    How much of this is due to preeclampsia?
    https://www.mdedge.com/obgyn/article/136887/obstetrics/preeclampsia/eclampsia-rate-highest-black-women

    Perhaps this provides a clue?
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4354613/

    Multiple risk factors have been documented, including: family history, nulliparity, egg donation, diabetes, and obesity.

    Obesity epidemiology trends by race/ethnicity, gender, and education: National Health Interview Survey, 1997–2012
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5599163/

    Figure 2
    Obesity prevalence among adults aged 20 and over, by sex and race and Hispanic origin: United States, 2011–2014

    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe
    @res


    Multiple risk factors have been documented, including: family history, nulliparity, egg donation, diabetes, and obesity.
     
    And what fraction of nulliparous black women have had abortions?
    Yeah, it is high.

    What about hispanic, white, Asian?

    But, of course they can't include that as a factor they checked for correlation.

    , @Alfa158
    @res

    Hispanic women have a lower death rate than White women, yet are significantly more likely to be obese and somewhat more prone to eclampsia, so as usual it is probably several factors that determine the death rate. Obesity, hypertension, drug use, level of care and age of the mother all play a role. Black mothers are more more likely to be obese, have less medical care, poorer lifestyle habits and more prone to hypertension. The paper refers to deaths “related” to pregnancy. What is the medical risk from abortion procedures (other than 100% for the baby)? We know Black women have abortions at a higher rate, so could that be getting counted in?
    The lower rate of hypertension and obesity and better healthcare for White women is probably more than offset by a higher average age at pregnancy than for Hispanic women.
    Or let’s just keep it simple like the JYT does and blame it on us Nazis.

    Replies: @anon

  4. Steve, this is off topic; but I wanted you to see it

    A protest with a blank sign — great minds think alike.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Not Raul

    Larry Niven is always right. Now we can look forward to teleportation booths, pickpocketing being de facto legal, and near-genocidal war with sentient cats.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    , @TheBoom
    @Not Raul

    Using blank white signs, fliers and stickers is truly the next stage in It is OK to be White terror!

    Replies: @Not Raul

  5. It would be interesting to compare African American maternal mortality vs any of the dozens of overwhelmingly black nations in Africa, or white American maternal mortality vs…

    …I guess Iceland. Or Hungary.

  6. anon[127] • Disclaimer says:

    African-American, Native American and Alaska Native women die of pregnancy-related causes at a rate about three times higher than those of white women, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported on Tuesday. …

    they should probably pay for their own healthcare then or maybe go back to doing things the way they did before whitey showed up

    also

    By Roni Caryn Rabin, May 7, 2019

    are there any non-jews at the NYT?

  7. African-American, Native American and Alaska Native women are about three times more likely to die from causes related to pregnancy, compared to white women in the United States.

    They are also far more likely to have had abortions. Coincidence? I think not. Also, abortion deaths are counted as pregnancy related.

  8. Has nothing to do with age, and everything to do with obesity (most of the women having kids post 35 are white or East Asian anyway). Maternal mortality is rising because Americans are fatter than ever. The fattest groups will have more complications.

  9. Anon[105] • Disclaimer says:

    Black women are more subject to preeclampsia than white women. Obstetricians know this and do all they can to help. Controlling for preeclampsia, white and black death rates are the same.

    The other factor is the rise in Cesarians. There might be a bias angle here, with black women being talked into business hour Cesarians more easily than whites, but on the other hand, Cesarians are more indicated for preeclampsia.

    In newspaper articles about the problem the women in the anchors are generally nontypical cases that don’t explain the statistics.

    • Replies: @res
    @Anon


    Controlling for preeclampsia, white and black death rates are the same.
     
    Do you have a reference for this? I brought up preeclampsia as an issue above, but I am not seeing evidence to support your statement.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1781382/

    Objectives. We sought to determine whether differences in the prevalences of 5 specific pregnancy complications or differences in case fatality rates for those complications explained the disproportionate risk of pregnancy-related mortality for Black women compared with White women in the United States.

    Methods. We used national data sets to calculate prevalence and case-fatality rates among Black and White women for preeclampsia, eclampsia, abruptio placentae, placenta previa, and postpartum hemorrhage for the years 1988 to 1999.

    Results. Black women did not have significantly greater prevalence rates than White women. However, Black women with these conditions were 2 to 3 times more likely to die from them than were White women.

    Conclusions. Higher pregnancy-related mortality among Black women from preeclampsia, eclampsia, abruptio placentae, placenta previa, and postpartum hemorrhage is largely attributable to higher case-fatality rates. Reductions in case-fatality rates may be made by defining more precisely the mechanisms that affect complication severity and risk of death, including complex interactions of biology and health services, and then applying this knowledge in designing interventions that improve pregnancy-related outcomes.
     
  10. @res
    How much of this is due to preeclampsia?
    https://www.mdedge.com/obgyn/article/136887/obstetrics/preeclampsia/eclampsia-rate-highest-black-women

    Perhaps this provides a clue?
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4354613/

    Multiple risk factors have been documented, including: family history, nulliparity, egg donation, diabetes, and obesity.
     
    Obesity epidemiology trends by race/ethnicity, gender, and education: National Health Interview Survey, 1997–2012
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5599163/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5599163/bin/nihms823249f2.jpg

    Figure 2
    Obesity prevalence among adults aged 20 and over, by sex and race and Hispanic origin: United States, 2011–2014
     

    Replies: @Joe Schmoe, @Alfa158

    Multiple risk factors have been documented, including: family history, nulliparity, egg donation, diabetes, and obesity.

    And what fraction of nulliparous black women have had abortions?
    Yeah, it is high.

    What about hispanic, white, Asian?

    But, of course they can’t include that as a factor they checked for correlation.

  11. Senator Kamala Harris, Democrat of California

    She’s the Democrat from California not of California unless heraldry and Lord Monckton of Brenchley-like titles are the new norm the far-left uses today in their NYT articles. Gregory Clark has spoken of surnames and the higher status of surnames in which a person is “of” something, a person, place or thing.

    Kamala Harris is mainly “of” Willie Brown and certainly not “of” California or anything less unseemly than it would seem she is not or might be.

    • Replies: @anon
    @trelane


    Kamala Harris is mainly “of” Willie Brown and certainly not “of” California or anything less unseemly than it would seem she is not or might be.
     
    The Knob Gobbler
  12. @res
    How much of this is due to preeclampsia?
    https://www.mdedge.com/obgyn/article/136887/obstetrics/preeclampsia/eclampsia-rate-highest-black-women

    Perhaps this provides a clue?
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4354613/

    Multiple risk factors have been documented, including: family history, nulliparity, egg donation, diabetes, and obesity.
     
    Obesity epidemiology trends by race/ethnicity, gender, and education: National Health Interview Survey, 1997–2012
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5599163/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5599163/bin/nihms823249f2.jpg

    Figure 2
    Obesity prevalence among adults aged 20 and over, by sex and race and Hispanic origin: United States, 2011–2014
     

    Replies: @Joe Schmoe, @Alfa158

    Hispanic women have a lower death rate than White women, yet are significantly more likely to be obese and somewhat more prone to eclampsia, so as usual it is probably several factors that determine the death rate. Obesity, hypertension, drug use, level of care and age of the mother all play a role. Black mothers are more more likely to be obese, have less medical care, poorer lifestyle habits and more prone to hypertension. The paper refers to deaths “related” to pregnancy. What is the medical risk from abortion procedures (other than 100% for the baby)? We know Black women have abortions at a higher rate, so could that be getting counted in?
    The lower rate of hypertension and obesity and better healthcare for White women is probably more than offset by a higher average age at pregnancy than for Hispanic women.
    Or let’s just keep it simple like the JYT does and blame it on us Nazis.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Alfa158

    sounds about right - the hispanic women are younger and the black and native american women are unhealthy

    more fun for Rabin to insinuate racism though

  13. Genuinely interesting.

    ‘Here are the stats from the CDC for pregnancy related mortality ratio per 100,000 births

    Hispanic 11.4
    White 13.0
    Asian/Pacific Islander 14.2

    American Indian/Alaska Native 32.5
    Black 42.8′

    If the driving factor was genetic, one would expect ‘American Indian/Alaska Native’ rates to be down around Hispanic and Asian.

    Nope. Ergo, it’d be environmental in some way. I’d guess blacks and Indians just don’t give a fuck about being pregnant, whilst Asians and whites take good care, and Hispanics probably make a cult out of it.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Colin Wright

    Hispanic babies and children also have a high survival rate and excellent health. I doubt it’s cultural or environmental.

    It’s genetic. Only the tough survive in the jungles of Guatemala and deserts of Mexico for thousands of years.

    Replies: @anon, @Colin Wright

    , @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    @Colin Wright

    Mothers are more valued in Hispanic culture. Mother's day is a holiday to rival Christmas in Latin America. Their families may take better care of them while they are pregnant and pay more attention to pain and strange symptoms that might mean something is wrong.

    , @Anonymous
    @Colin Wright


    ‘Here are the stats from the CDC for pregnancy related mortality ratio per 100,000 births

    Hispanic 11.4
    White 13.0
    Asian/Pacific Islander 14.2

    American Indian/Alaska Native 32.5
    Black 42.8′
     
    Could this be correlated with the presence or absence of HUSBANDS? Nah, perish the thought.
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Colin Wright

    I'd guess the Hispanics are all 16 years old.

  14. 700 per year.

    Out of 3,800,000

    This is a non-story, and the numbers are so small it could be anything. Maybe they all smoked menthol cigarettes while drinking grape soda.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Buzz Mohawk

    AGREE, and I LUV that graphic, Buzz!

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Buzz Mohawk


    This is a non-story, and the numbers are so small it could be anything. Maybe they all smoked menthol cigarettes while drinking grape soda.
     
    Yes. This exactly.

    Just for fun I fired up an excel spreadsheet and did the math the NYT wouldn't do. Here are some fun facts about the CDC pregnancy mortality numbers (all based on 2011-2015):

    The pregnancy survival rate for blacks is 99.96% (2.925M Pregnancies/1,252 deaths). The survival rate for whites is 99.99% (10.65M Pregnancies/1,385 deaths). This means that the Black survival rate is 99.97% as high as the White rate.

    In fact if the Black survival/death rate were equal to the White rate it would only result in 174 fewer deaths per year in our entire nation of 330 million people.

    The Native American survival rate (190,769 Pregnancies/62 deaths) is a full 99.98% as high as the White rate. And if the Native American rate were the same as the White rate, it would save a grand total of seven (7) Indians per year!

    Contra to Buzz's comment, I think this actually is a big story. But only because the CDC numbers show that it is actually unbelievably safe to have a baby in America -- and that it's equally safe for all groups to the point of microscopic rounding errors.

    Ms Rabin and the NYT, however, can't see that the glass is 99.97% full, but insist instead that it is .03% empty and that White people are to blame (per usual). You really can't win with these people.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Perplexed

    , @AnotherDad
    @Buzz Mohawk


    This is a non-story, and the numbers are so small it could be anything. Maybe they all smoked menthol cigarettes while drinking grape soda.
     
    Exactly. It's roughly the level of your odds of dying in a traffic accident in a single year.

    [Back of envelope math: 4m births, 320m people that's 1 in 80. Multiple that 700 maternal deaths by 80 you're at 56,000 a bit above the 40,000 highway deaths. If you threw in the somewhat less than a million abortions you'd be closer to 5m women involved and the numbers would be pretty much the same. If you adjust for the non/infrequent drivers the driving side is worse.]

    Both activities: Driving this year or having a child this year have roughly the same 0.01%-0.02% death rate depending on who all is included in the denominator. Not nothing, but not something that screams "high risk". And actually an impressive number for the mothers considering in something like a quarter or a third of US births they cut open the mom to get the baby out!

    Smart people doing these activities pay attention, do them with care to lower the risk. (And it's drivers rather than mothers who are subject to the risk of someone else acting like a total bozo--driving drunk, talking on their phone, texting)
  15. @Alfa158
    @res

    Hispanic women have a lower death rate than White women, yet are significantly more likely to be obese and somewhat more prone to eclampsia, so as usual it is probably several factors that determine the death rate. Obesity, hypertension, drug use, level of care and age of the mother all play a role. Black mothers are more more likely to be obese, have less medical care, poorer lifestyle habits and more prone to hypertension. The paper refers to deaths “related” to pregnancy. What is the medical risk from abortion procedures (other than 100% for the baby)? We know Black women have abortions at a higher rate, so could that be getting counted in?
    The lower rate of hypertension and obesity and better healthcare for White women is probably more than offset by a higher average age at pregnancy than for Hispanic women.
    Or let’s just keep it simple like the JYT does and blame it on us Nazis.

    Replies: @anon

    sounds about right – the hispanic women are younger and the black and native american women are unhealthy

    more fun for Rabin to insinuate racism though

  16. The United States has an abysmal record on maternal health, compared with other high-income countries. Even as maternal death rates fell by more than one-third from 2000 to 2015 across the world, outcomes for American mothers worsened, according to Unicef.

    This is such lying BS.

    There is some non zero rate that we will never get below.

    If your rate is extremely low, like ours, you cannot go any lower. But it can vary over time.

    Obviously, we would think that 100 per 100k is basically the same as 105 per 100k or 96 per 100k.

    But if your number is 15 per 100k and then goes up to 19, the harpies start screeching even though it is less variation. But since it can be expressed as a percent and reporters are so frigging dishonest, they report it in such a way as to make it sound like Angola is doing great with their rate 50x ours but we suck because blacks have bad habits.

    • Agree: Endgame Napoleon
  17. guest says:

    Imagine how much money is wasted every year on journalists assuming as their null hypothesis that data of all varieties should show equality betwixt the races. Or simply that race couldn’t even be discerned without seeking it out to confirm it’s insignificant. We could be paying for trips to Jupiter!

  18. Mrs. (((Rabin))) should find out the no doubt extremely low Jewish rates for comparison also. Im sure they would be lower than the white average.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Anon

    'Mrs. (((Rabin))) should find out the no doubt extremely low Jewish rates for comparison also. Im sure they would be lower than the white average.'

    That'd actually be interesting to see.

    On the one hand, secular Jews don't have children at all. On the other hand, ultra-orthodox Jews have fantastically excessive numbers of children -- which can't be good for maternal survival rates.

    I wouldn't bet on the net figures.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Spangel
    @Anon

    It’s probably low for secular Jews but they have all sorts of weird genetic disorders that might complicate things.

    Orthodox and Hasidic Jews have a lot of kids and sometimes don’t heed the most basic medical advice because of some rabbi of theirs. Hence they are responsible for all the recent measles outbreaks we have seen around nyc. Related to maternity, they do things like have 5+ children all with cesareans which can’t be great for heath outcomes.

  19. Was this data compiled back in the maternity wards of the Xers’ mommas?

    Boomer Population — 71 million

    Gen X — 48 million

    Millennial Generation — 73 million

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/03/01/millennials-overtake-baby-boomers/

    Despite all the fretting, looks like the Millennial group, which is majority minority and in the midst of their sex-and-birthing years, is doing alright pumping out the kids.

    The Z Generation is even bigger than the Millennial Generation and has even more thriving, surviving minorities, although mommas just don’t get enough free stuff.

    About a decade ago, when I worked at the Department of of Human Services, Obamacare had not been created. Here’s what a momma had to do to get free maternity care: present a preggie test to the caseworker.

    Here’s what else she got to reward womb-productive sex in a single-breadwinner household that stayed under the earned-income limits for the programs via part-time work: free EBT food, reduced-cost or free rent, monthly cash assistance, electricity assistance and what has now swelled to up to $6,431 in refundable child tax credit cash.

    It’s pretty audacious to critique countries that reward mommas that much for womb-productive sex. Mommas left there qualified for more than most college-educated caseworkers made in a week in just free food.

    That’s why I am not buying it when women make this argument, although they trot it out decade after decade, as the pay-per-birth feminist generations just keep getting bigger.

    Something doesn’t add up when infant mortality is said to be high, yet the generations keep swelling. Something doesn’t add up when we are told birthrates are low, and yet, the generations are so bigly.

    It makes sense, though, since womb-productive sex pays more than hard work.

    By contrast with the womb-privileged crowd, older citizens in their pre-Medicare years were often turned down for Medicaid. They worked harder than the pay-per-birth moms, putting them a little over the income limits, and unlike with preggie-test moms and kids under 21, much stricter household composition and earned-income rules applied to the non womb producers. Only a few categories were covered.

    These were citizens, the people who were unqualified for the free medical care, and a few of them were grandparents, raising the kids that their daughters dumped on them.

    Chant this over and over until it sinks in: All moms are saintly creatures.

  20. @Anon
    Mrs. (((Rabin))) should find out the no doubt extremely low Jewish rates for comparison also. Im sure they would be lower than the white average.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Spangel

    ‘Mrs. (((Rabin))) should find out the no doubt extremely low Jewish rates for comparison also. Im sure they would be lower than the white average.’

    That’d actually be interesting to see.

    On the one hand, secular Jews don’t have children at all. On the other hand, ultra-orthodox Jews have fantastically excessive numbers of children — which can’t be good for maternal survival rates.

    I wouldn’t bet on the net figures.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Colin Wright

    I live just a few miles west of a huge Chabad hasid and other ultra neighborhood. They don’t have huge families. The norm seems to be 4 kids between marriage at 20 and age 30. Youth makes a difference. I bet they have a low maternal death rate like other Whites.

    Judging from their cars, private schools, non working wives and zip code they can afford the very best pregnancy and birth care.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  21. You ticked every box that pissed me off when reading this (typical) misleading and dishonest story.

  22. @Buzz Mohawk
    700 per year.

    Out of 3,800,000

    https://media.giphy.com/media/26tOZlKO9QxXcHPEY/giphy.gif

    This is a non-story, and the numbers are so small it could be anything. Maybe they all smoked menthol cigarettes while drinking grape soda.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666, @AnotherDad

    AGREE, and I LUV that graphic, Buzz!

  23. This is definitely a thing that the left intends to harp on – I’ve seen this covered in The Atlantic and Mother Jones in the not too distant past, so no doubt this will be yet another standard talking point about the pervasiveness and toxicity of whiteness.

  24. Anon[222] • Disclaimer says:

    When you dig down to the details on specific proposals related to things like this, they tend to be:

    — New and oppressive record-keeping and reporting requirements, and

    — Funding for the diversity training industry to pay semi-literate fat black female critical race grads to come out and scold and hector (with their trademarked sassy attitude) white male doctors in training sessions newly required to maintain licensing.

    Pretty soon the diversity training industry, basically an affirmative action racket, will represent 10 percent of the nation’s economy. China isn’t burdened with that.

  25. “That’s not the driver,” he said, referring to higher mortality among black women. “It requires a different level of awareness and attention, but you shouldn’t die of obesity.”

    Uhh, Doc, I don’t think you need to tell them – none of them want to die. However, if you’re very fat coming into the pregnancy, I doubt you’ve gotten any thinner on the other side, and more likely you’ve got another 25 – 50 lb. It’s not a good thing, and I’d thought gestational diabetes would be even more likely, giving a significantly greater chance for diabetes later on.

    You shouldn’t die of hypertension.

    Again, Doc, please, high blood pressure is bad for you, but NO, nobody want’s to fucking die, you moron, so quit putting your advice in such stupid wording.

    “Yeah, got some great advice from Doc Main yesterday down at the clinic. He said that I shouldn’t die. Man, I am so glad he reads the New England Journal of Medicine, but I wish I’d known then, what I know now. Don’t die, and you’ll be fine. Oh, and eat more oat bran.”

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "Oh, and eggs are fine now. Those doctors were wrong 30 years ago, at least 4 out of 5 of 'em. We're right now, though, over-easy, soft-boiled, scrambled, scattered and smothered, it's all gooood."

  26. @Achmed E. Newman

    “That’s not the driver,” he said, referring to higher mortality among black women. “It requires a different level of awareness and attention, but you shouldn’t die of obesity.”
     
    Uhh, Doc, I don't think you need to tell them - none of them want to die. However, if you're very fat coming into the pregnancy, I doubt you've gotten any thinner on the other side, and more likely you've got another 25 - 50 lb. It's not a good thing, and I'd thought gestational diabetes would be even more likely, giving a significantly greater chance for diabetes later on.

    You shouldn’t die of hypertension.
     
    Again, Doc, please, high blood pressure is bad for you, but NO, nobody want's to fucking die, you moron, so quit putting your advice in such stupid wording.

    "Yeah, got some great advice from Doc Main yesterday down at the clinic. He said that I shouldn't die. Man, I am so glad he reads the New England Journal of Medicine, but I wish I'd known then, what I know now. Don't die, and you'll be fine. Oh, and eat more oat bran."

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    “Oh, and eggs are fine now. Those doctors were wrong 30 years ago, at least 4 out of 5 of ’em. We’re right now, though, over-easy, soft-boiled, scrambled, scattered and smothered, it’s all gooood.”

  27. African-American, Native American and Alaska Native women are about three times more likely to die from causes related to pregnancy, compared to white women in the United States.

    And how many times more as likely would they be without all those white nurses, physicians, midwives, and doulas around them?

    I recently saw a talk by a Minnesota girl who went as an EMT on a program to rural Mozambique. Her group delivered eight babies in five weeks. One nearly didn’t make it through its first night. But our EMT kept the kid breathing for some time, and everything was fine in the morning.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Reg Cæsar

    You reminded me, Reg, of a TV show I saw maybe a decade back about a doctor that was let into North Korea for a 10-day stint to restore the eyesight of something like 1,000 people. When they could see again, all these stupids could do was to thank the head Commie, Sung-Ill or whatever his name is. Talk about your ingratitude!

    Replies: @Oddsbodkins

    , @Kylie
    @Reg Cæsar

    That Minnesotan EMT should stay in Mozambique.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  28. @Anon
    Mrs. (((Rabin))) should find out the no doubt extremely low Jewish rates for comparison also. Im sure they would be lower than the white average.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Spangel

    It’s probably low for secular Jews but they have all sorts of weird genetic disorders that might complicate things.

    Orthodox and Hasidic Jews have a lot of kids and sometimes don’t heed the most basic medical advice because of some rabbi of theirs. Hence they are responsible for all the recent measles outbreaks we have seen around nyc. Related to maternity, they do things like have 5+ children all with cesareans which can’t be great for heath outcomes.

  29. @Colin Wright
    Genuinely interesting.

    'Here are the stats from the CDC for pregnancy related mortality ratio per 100,000 births

    Hispanic 11.4
    White 13.0
    Asian/Pacific Islander 14.2

    American Indian/Alaska Native 32.5
    Black 42.8'


    If the driving factor was genetic, one would expect 'American Indian/Alaska Native' rates to be down around Hispanic and Asian.

    Nope. Ergo, it'd be environmental in some way. I'd guess blacks and Indians just don't give a fuck about being pregnant, whilst Asians and whites take good care, and Hispanics probably make a cult out of it.

    Replies: @Alden, @TheMediumIsTheMassage, @Anonymous, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Hispanic babies and children also have a high survival rate and excellent health. I doubt it’s cultural or environmental.

    It’s genetic. Only the tough survive in the jungles of Guatemala and deserts of Mexico for thousands of years.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Alden

    that's not it

    a few generations on fast food, junk food etc and they'll be just as unhealthy as the rest

    already see these 300 lb tub o lards looking for a handout at the border

    , @Colin Wright
    @Alden

    '...It’s genetic. Only the tough survive in the jungles of Guatemala and deserts of Mexico for thousands of years.'

    If it was genetic, then the rate would be similarly low for North American Indians -- which it most certainly is not.

    My own -- quite unresearched -- theory is that the spectacularly high mortality rates that accompanied the Spanish conquest led to a cultural adaptation that emphasized a high birth rate and as low a maternal death rate as possible. Only groups which adopted such practices survived. Obviously, Hispanics are victims of their own success now, but that significant native genes survived at all from the sixteenth to the twentieth century may be a result of cultural adaptation to extremely high death rates from disease, overwork, and general abuse.

    Presumably, over time and subjected to similarly extreme pressures, the only North American Indians groups which would survive would be those which developed similar practices.

  30. OK, I’ll get serious. I think you’re probably onto something with the higher average age of pregnancies now, Steve. Everything gets harder by the mid-30’s, conceiving, going to term with the baby, delivery, and most likely health after the birth.

    I just would think that, though this factor would make it hard to keep the maternity death rate going down, it would NOT effect black mothers as much as white. I see lots of young black mothers, but many more older white mothers. I think of the intelligent-but-uptight white couple in the beginning of Mike Judge’s Idiocracy, as indeed more of a white thing than black or hispanic.

    With the Orientals (no idea about the dot-Indian crowd, BTW), they seem to be weaker in constitution in general for delivering babies. I am just going by personal knowledge here of ladies that spend a whole month in bed at the beginning of the pregnancy and another month after delivery. It seems to be just what they do in China.

  31. This article would be less racially inflammatory if instead of using white women as the denominator, it grouped American women into High maternal mortality ethnicities (black and Native American) versus Low mortality ethnicities (Hispanic, white, and Asian).

    This is useful advice if the article wasn’t intended to be racially inflammatory.

    • Agree: Tusk
    • LOL: Unladen Swallow
  32. @Reg Cæsar

    African-American, Native American and Alaska Native women are about three times more likely to die from causes related to pregnancy, compared to white women in the United States.
     
    And how many times more as likely would they be without all those white nurses, physicians, midwives, and doulas around them?

    I recently saw a talk by a Minnesota girl who went as an EMT on a program to rural Mozambique. Her group delivered eight babies in five weeks. One nearly didn't make it through its first night. But our EMT kept the kid breathing for some time, and everything was fine in the morning.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Kylie

    You reminded me, Reg, of a TV show I saw maybe a decade back about a doctor that was let into North Korea for a 10-day stint to restore the eyesight of something like 1,000 people. When they could see again, all these stupids could do was to thank the head Commie, Sung-Ill or whatever his name is. Talk about your ingratitude!

    • Replies: @Oddsbodkins
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I saw that show. Amazing the depth of the brainwashing NK has performed on its citizens. But I also suspected some of that was acted for the camera, with the consequences of an insufficient expression of love for the dear leader in mind.

    https://youtu.be/p7RtFZCpyv0

    Replies: @J.Ross

  33. I am outraged too! That they take boatloads of plan B, and scar up their uterii with abortions. I’m outraged they don’t get prenatal care, take their prenatal vitamins, and stop smoking around the baby. My outrage is palpable. Feel it?

  34. Alden says:
    @Colin Wright
    @Anon

    'Mrs. (((Rabin))) should find out the no doubt extremely low Jewish rates for comparison also. Im sure they would be lower than the white average.'

    That'd actually be interesting to see.

    On the one hand, secular Jews don't have children at all. On the other hand, ultra-orthodox Jews have fantastically excessive numbers of children -- which can't be good for maternal survival rates.

    I wouldn't bet on the net figures.

    Replies: @Alden

    I live just a few miles west of a huge Chabad hasid and other ultra neighborhood. They don’t have huge families. The norm seems to be 4 kids between marriage at 20 and age 30. Youth makes a difference. I bet they have a low maternal death rate like other Whites.

    Judging from their cars, private schools, non working wives and zip code they can afford the very best pregnancy and birth care.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Alden

    'I live just a few miles west of a huge Chabad hasid and other ultra neighborhood. They don’t have huge families. The norm seems to be 4 kids between marriage at 20 and age 30. Youth makes a difference. I bet they have a low maternal death rate like other Whites.

    Judging from their cars, private schools, non working wives and zip code they can afford the very best pregnancy and birth care.'

    I'll stand corrected. My suggestion was based on what I've read about the ultra-orthodox in Israel.

  35. Is any “racial discrepancy” ever less than “glaring?”

  36. @Reg Cæsar

    African-American, Native American and Alaska Native women are about three times more likely to die from causes related to pregnancy, compared to white women in the United States.
     
    And how many times more as likely would they be without all those white nurses, physicians, midwives, and doulas around them?

    I recently saw a talk by a Minnesota girl who went as an EMT on a program to rural Mozambique. Her group delivered eight babies in five weeks. One nearly didn't make it through its first night. But our EMT kept the kid breathing for some time, and everything was fine in the morning.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Kylie

    That Minnesotan EMT should stay in Mozambique.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Kylie


    That Minnesotan EMT should stay in Mozambique.
     
    She's cute, spunky, smart, and single. She should stay here and marry a cheesehead. And have fourteen kids.
  37. @Colin Wright
    Genuinely interesting.

    'Here are the stats from the CDC for pregnancy related mortality ratio per 100,000 births

    Hispanic 11.4
    White 13.0
    Asian/Pacific Islander 14.2

    American Indian/Alaska Native 32.5
    Black 42.8'


    If the driving factor was genetic, one would expect 'American Indian/Alaska Native' rates to be down around Hispanic and Asian.

    Nope. Ergo, it'd be environmental in some way. I'd guess blacks and Indians just don't give a fuck about being pregnant, whilst Asians and whites take good care, and Hispanics probably make a cult out of it.

    Replies: @Alden, @TheMediumIsTheMassage, @Anonymous, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Mothers are more valued in Hispanic culture. Mother’s day is a holiday to rival Christmas in Latin America. Their families may take better care of them while they are pregnant and pay more attention to pain and strange symptoms that might mean something is wrong.

  38. @Not Raul
    Steve, this is off topic; but I wanted you to see it

    https://twitter.com/markamesexiled/status/1125454635903401984?s=21

    A protest with a blank sign — great minds think alike.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @TheBoom

    Larry Niven is always right. Now we can look forward to teleportation booths, pickpocketing being de facto legal, and near-genocidal war with sentient cats.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @J.Ross

    Blank white signs are the perfect form of protest for the few remaining self-respecting white people in the USA. Because blank signs depict the entirety of expression still allowed to us. For now.

  39. Anon7 says:

    I ran into a form of birth tourism when I was putting myself through college working in a hospital. There’s an upside to the downside. Black women had discovered that having a high-risk pregnancy results in a kind of vacation.

    Here’s how it worked.

    You have diabetes, obesity, or both, or some other illness. Your white doctor warns you not to get pregnant again. But you do it anyway. Six weeks before your due date, the worried white doctor admits you to the hospital so you and your fetus can be “monitored”, which works out to six weeks of being waited on hand and foot by classy white registered nurses.

    If you’re an obese diabetic black woman who knows how to get pregnant, you could get one of these vacations annually.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Anon7

    Not to mention a vacation from dem dayum keeyids.

  40. TWS says:

    Have you ever seen what prenatal care looks like on the res? Healthy Cheetos for breakfast a cigarette for lunch and meth with a beer chaser for dinner. Even if it is one of the rare mom’s who doesn’t use, smoke, drink or has a sorry excuse for a father of her children, she still gets Indian healthcare. I imagine black mom’s have a similar experience.

  41. “Some 700 deaths related to pregnancy occur each year”

    This is so low. But we’re going to have a whole political campaign based on the deaths of 700 people (of all races) arguing that the pie chart is off?

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @isitkin

    isi, You hit the nail on the head. Harris and Warren are making political hay because it's a women's issue. The fact that very few American women die in childbirth and the fact that the percentage difference for black women is miniscule are not up for discussion.

  42. Anonymous[308] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright
    Genuinely interesting.

    'Here are the stats from the CDC for pregnancy related mortality ratio per 100,000 births

    Hispanic 11.4
    White 13.0
    Asian/Pacific Islander 14.2

    American Indian/Alaska Native 32.5
    Black 42.8'


    If the driving factor was genetic, one would expect 'American Indian/Alaska Native' rates to be down around Hispanic and Asian.

    Nope. Ergo, it'd be environmental in some way. I'd guess blacks and Indians just don't give a fuck about being pregnant, whilst Asians and whites take good care, and Hispanics probably make a cult out of it.

    Replies: @Alden, @TheMediumIsTheMassage, @Anonymous, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    ‘Here are the stats from the CDC for pregnancy related mortality ratio per 100,000 births

    Hispanic 11.4
    White 13.0
    Asian/Pacific Islander 14.2

    American Indian/Alaska Native 32.5
    Black 42.8′

    Could this be correlated with the presence or absence of HUSBANDS? Nah, perish the thought.

  43. @Alden
    @Colin Wright

    I live just a few miles west of a huge Chabad hasid and other ultra neighborhood. They don’t have huge families. The norm seems to be 4 kids between marriage at 20 and age 30. Youth makes a difference. I bet they have a low maternal death rate like other Whites.

    Judging from their cars, private schools, non working wives and zip code they can afford the very best pregnancy and birth care.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘I live just a few miles west of a huge Chabad hasid and other ultra neighborhood. They don’t have huge families. The norm seems to be 4 kids between marriage at 20 and age 30. Youth makes a difference. I bet they have a low maternal death rate like other Whites.

    Judging from their cars, private schools, non working wives and zip code they can afford the very best pregnancy and birth care.’

    I’ll stand corrected. My suggestion was based on what I’ve read about the ultra-orthodox in Israel.

  44. Maternal mortality is much higher than any other first world country and climbing while the rates of all the rest of descending. Naturally, since you bozos don’t know anything, you blame it on race. Not the shitty healthcare system that’s supposed to be so great or anything.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @obwandiyag

    Who was it who overhauled the healthcare system in 2010? I'm trying to remember the name...

    , @Twinkie
    @obwandiyag


    Not the shitty healthcare system that’s supposed to be so great or anything.
     
    Yes, American healthcare is so "shitty" that it has the highest survival and longevity rates for those afflicted with various types of cancer, far higher than even many advanced European countries.

    Health outcome is largely a combination of genetics, lifestyle/environment (diet, water quality, sanitation, etc.), and quality of medical care. That is why Hispanics in America, despite worse access to medical care than whites, outlive whites. East Asians live the longest in America, because they broadly enjoy the best of the three variables - longevity genes, relatively healthy lifestyles, and excellent access to medical care.

    Replies: @obwandiyag

  45. @Kylie
    @Reg Cæsar

    That Minnesotan EMT should stay in Mozambique.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    That Minnesotan EMT should stay in Mozambique.

    She’s cute, spunky, smart, and single. She should stay here and marry a cheesehead. And have fourteen kids.

  46. The United States has an abysmal record on maternal health, compared with other high-income countries.

    Let me guess… This wasn’t race-normed, just as with crime comparisons.

    Funny how that works…

  47. @trelane

    Senator Kamala Harris, Democrat of California
     
    She's the Democrat from California not of California unless heraldry and Lord Monckton of Brenchley-like titles are the new norm the far-left uses today in their NYT articles. Gregory Clark has spoken of surnames and the higher status of surnames in which a person is "of" something, a person, place or thing.

    Kamala Harris is mainly "of" Willie Brown and certainly not "of" California or anything less unseemly than it would seem she is not or might be.

    Replies: @anon

    Kamala Harris is mainly “of” Willie Brown and certainly not “of” California or anything less unseemly than it would seem she is not or might be.

    The Knob Gobbler

  48. @Alden
    @Colin Wright

    Hispanic babies and children also have a high survival rate and excellent health. I doubt it’s cultural or environmental.

    It’s genetic. Only the tough survive in the jungles of Guatemala and deserts of Mexico for thousands of years.

    Replies: @anon, @Colin Wright

    that’s not it

    a few generations on fast food, junk food etc and they’ll be just as unhealthy as the rest

    already see these 300 lb tub o lards looking for a handout at the border

  49. @Colin Wright
    Genuinely interesting.

    'Here are the stats from the CDC for pregnancy related mortality ratio per 100,000 births

    Hispanic 11.4
    White 13.0
    Asian/Pacific Islander 14.2

    American Indian/Alaska Native 32.5
    Black 42.8'


    If the driving factor was genetic, one would expect 'American Indian/Alaska Native' rates to be down around Hispanic and Asian.

    Nope. Ergo, it'd be environmental in some way. I'd guess blacks and Indians just don't give a fuck about being pregnant, whilst Asians and whites take good care, and Hispanics probably make a cult out of it.

    Replies: @Alden, @TheMediumIsTheMassage, @Anonymous, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    I’d guess the Hispanics are all 16 years old.

  50. So Kamala Harris can be outraged by a higher maternity death rate for black women and the New York Times legitimizes her manufactured outrage with supportive blood-libel journalism. But let a guy try to start a program to address the very real and much more lethal epidemic of suicide among white males (at 30 percent of the population, we are 70 percent of the suicides), the allied SPLC compares the effort to Nazi atrocities and succeeds in shutting it down.

    Something radical needs to happen on the media ownership front, or we are toast.

  51. res says:
    @Anon
    Black women are more subject to preeclampsia than white women. Obstetricians know this and do all they can to help. Controlling for preeclampsia, white and black death rates are the same.

    The other factor is the rise in Cesarians. There might be a bias angle here, with black women being talked into business hour Cesarians more easily than whites, but on the other hand, Cesarians are more indicated for preeclampsia.

    In newspaper articles about the problem the women in the anchors are generally nontypical cases that don't explain the statistics.

    Replies: @res

    Controlling for preeclampsia, white and black death rates are the same.

    Do you have a reference for this? I brought up preeclampsia as an issue above, but I am not seeing evidence to support your statement.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1781382/

    Objectives. We sought to determine whether differences in the prevalences of 5 specific pregnancy complications or differences in case fatality rates for those complications explained the disproportionate risk of pregnancy-related mortality for Black women compared with White women in the United States.

    Methods. We used national data sets to calculate prevalence and case-fatality rates among Black and White women for preeclampsia, eclampsia, abruptio placentae, placenta previa, and postpartum hemorrhage for the years 1988 to 1999.

    Results. Black women did not have significantly greater prevalence rates than White women. However, Black women with these conditions were 2 to 3 times more likely to die from them than were White women.

    Conclusions. Higher pregnancy-related mortality among Black women from preeclampsia, eclampsia, abruptio placentae, placenta previa, and postpartum hemorrhage is largely attributable to higher case-fatality rates. Reductions in case-fatality rates may be made by defining more precisely the mechanisms that affect complication severity and risk of death, including complex interactions of biology and health services, and then applying this knowledge in designing interventions that improve pregnancy-related outcomes.

  52. @Not Raul
    Steve, this is off topic; but I wanted you to see it

    https://twitter.com/markamesexiled/status/1125454635903401984?s=21

    A protest with a blank sign — great minds think alike.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @TheBoom

    Using blank white signs, fliers and stickers is truly the next stage in It is OK to be White terror!

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @TheBoom

    That’s what Steve said.

  53. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Reg Cæsar

    You reminded me, Reg, of a TV show I saw maybe a decade back about a doctor that was let into North Korea for a 10-day stint to restore the eyesight of something like 1,000 people. When they could see again, all these stupids could do was to thank the head Commie, Sung-Ill or whatever his name is. Talk about your ingratitude!

    Replies: @Oddsbodkins

    I saw that show. Amazing the depth of the brainwashing NK has performed on its citizens. But I also suspected some of that was acted for the camera, with the consequences of an insufficient expression of love for the dear leader in mind.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Oddsbodkins

    Moscow really did win the propaganda war. We remember nothing from the very recent past.

  54. @Buzz Mohawk
    700 per year.

    Out of 3,800,000

    https://media.giphy.com/media/26tOZlKO9QxXcHPEY/giphy.gif

    This is a non-story, and the numbers are so small it could be anything. Maybe they all smoked menthol cigarettes while drinking grape soda.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666, @AnotherDad

    This is a non-story, and the numbers are so small it could be anything. Maybe they all smoked menthol cigarettes while drinking grape soda.

    Yes. This exactly.

    Just for fun I fired up an excel spreadsheet and did the math the NYT wouldn’t do. Here are some fun facts about the CDC pregnancy mortality numbers (all based on 2011-2015):

    The pregnancy survival rate for blacks is 99.96% (2.925M Pregnancies/1,252 deaths). The survival rate for whites is 99.99% (10.65M Pregnancies/1,385 deaths). This means that the Black survival rate is 99.97% as high as the White rate.

    In fact if the Black survival/death rate were equal to the White rate it would only result in 174 fewer deaths per year in our entire nation of 330 million people.

    The Native American survival rate (190,769 Pregnancies/62 deaths) is a full 99.98% as high as the White rate. And if the Native American rate were the same as the White rate, it would save a grand total of seven (7) Indians per year!

    Contra to Buzz’s comment, I think this actually is a big story. But only because the CDC numbers show that it is actually unbelievably safe to have a baby in America — and that it’s equally safe for all groups to the point of microscopic rounding errors.

    Ms Rabin and the NYT, however, can’t see that the glass is 99.97% full, but insist instead that it is .03% empty and that White people are to blame (per usual). You really can’t win with these people.

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Hypnotoad666

    Hypno, Thank you for your research which the NYT did not want to do for obvious reasons. Math is your friend.

    , @Perplexed
    @Hypnotoad666

    "Indeed, a greater proportion of the deaths among black women occurred in the later postpartum period, between seven weeks and a year after the delivery, compared with white women, the C.D.C. found."

    What do women die of up to a year after delivery?

    Do other countries count deaths up to a year later as postpartum?

    I'm surprised how long postpartum lasts. When does it end?

  55. @TheBoom
    @Not Raul

    Using blank white signs, fliers and stickers is truly the next stage in It is OK to be White terror!

    Replies: @Not Raul

    That’s what Steve said.

  56. @obwandiyag
    Maternal mortality is much higher than any other first world country and climbing while the rates of all the rest of descending. Naturally, since you bozos don't know anything, you blame it on race. Not the shitty healthcare system that's supposed to be so great or anything.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Twinkie

    Who was it who overhauled the healthcare system in 2010? I’m trying to remember the name…

  57. Is there a social statistic that Aficans in America don’t have a negative impact on?

    • Replies: @GermanReader2
    @Redneck farmer

    Self-esteem?

  58. @J.Ross
    Reporting: Dontraevious beat Florida.
    Reporting in depth: Dontraevious beat his woman Florida because the many boyfriends of his mother had beaten him through his childhood.
    Deconstructing/unpacking: Dontraevious beat Florida because of law-abiding white people 3,450 miles away.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    Or, perhaps, Dontraevious beats women because his mother beat him when he was young. Because he reminded her of one or another of the many baby daddies she had, all of whom abandoned her to the state welfare rolls. Who knows?

  59. @Anon7
    I ran into a form of birth tourism when I was putting myself through college working in a hospital. There’s an upside to the downside. Black women had discovered that having a high-risk pregnancy results in a kind of vacation.

    Here’s how it worked.

    You have diabetes, obesity, or both, or some other illness. Your white doctor warns you not to get pregnant again. But you do it anyway. Six weeks before your due date, the worried white doctor admits you to the hospital so you and your fetus can be “monitored”, which works out to six weeks of being waited on hand and foot by classy white registered nurses.

    If you’re an obese diabetic black woman who knows how to get pregnant, you could get one of these vacations annually.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    Not to mention a vacation from dem dayum keeyids.

  60. @J.Ross
    @Not Raul

    Larry Niven is always right. Now we can look forward to teleportation booths, pickpocketing being de facto legal, and near-genocidal war with sentient cats.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    Blank white signs are the perfect form of protest for the few remaining self-respecting white people in the USA. Because blank signs depict the entirety of expression still allowed to us. For now.

  61. I remember a story from the nineties that Mississippi lost most of it’s rural obgyn facilities because ambulance chasers with help from African-American patients and juries filed frivolous Malpractice lawsuits making insurance so high for doctors in the Delta they couldn’t afford to practice there. I’m sure each plaintiff was satisfied with the few hundred dollars the attorney let them keep.

    Couldn’t find the original article but this is close

    https://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/22/us/some-mississippi-doctors-quit-obstetrics-citing-insurance-cost.html

  62. NYTimes also fails to mention the jaw-droppimg STD rate among black women – almost half of them have herpes. STDs cause all matter of problems during childbirth.

  63. What I would be curious to know is whether they cut the data deeper than just along race lines
    – within cohorts exhibiting similar levels of fitness (BMI etc), were there still statistically significant disparities along race-lines
    – within cohorts grouped by age…
    – within cohorts grouped by similar levels of health and care during pregnancy (did they smoke? did they drink? did they get sufficient nutrition? did they have pre-existing health issues?)
    – within cohorts that had medicated birth vs natural birth… (something I am curious about, is also whether non-white women respond to drugs the same way as white women. Genetically, given they are different, I wonder if they’re different enough that they have as a racial-cohort different responses to the same drugs and dosage given to and tested on white women)
    – within cohorts that had extended family support post-delivery vs women who bore the load on their own or with just their partners

    I’m surprised they didn’t explore hispanics and asians who have lower rates than white women. What is it about these cohorts that enable them to beat the norm? Is it genetic? Is it health / fitness levels? Is it environmental?

    Hard to claim that everything is due to racial bias without investigating the above factors. Correlation does not imply causation.

  64. Anon[181] • Disclaimer says:

    So, if I understand correctly, the reason why perinatal deaths are high is these black women who were convinced to abort in their teens, focus on their career, and given birth after the age of 35.

    On the same logic, before this campaign against teen pregnancies, the deaths were as high because shoe.

  65. @Bill P
    Glad you're pushing back against anti-white racism more lately. It's a real thing and it's only going to get worse.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Glad you’re pushing back against anti-white racism more lately. It’s a real thing and it’s only going to get worse.

    It’s necessary.

    If you’re going to steal a nation–actually nations, an entire civilization–from a people you need to have a justification.

    Nationalists have a ready argument–“People just want to live as they’ve lived, with their people, language and culture and passing it on to their children. It’s you globalists who are radical, usurpers and destroyers.”–that most normal people can sort of “get”. Globalists need to make that argument illegitimate and “evil whitey” is their method.

  66. Shalom,

    Spend a few hours watching videos by Tommy Sotomayor and Professor Thomas Sowell on YOU TUBE.
    These two Black men will educate you on the Black problems in America.
    Then you can come back and comment!

  67. @Buzz Mohawk
    700 per year.

    Out of 3,800,000

    https://media.giphy.com/media/26tOZlKO9QxXcHPEY/giphy.gif

    This is a non-story, and the numbers are so small it could be anything. Maybe they all smoked menthol cigarettes while drinking grape soda.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666, @AnotherDad

    This is a non-story, and the numbers are so small it could be anything. Maybe they all smoked menthol cigarettes while drinking grape soda.

    Exactly. It’s roughly the level of your odds of dying in a traffic accident in a single year.

    [Back of envelope math: 4m births, 320m people that’s 1 in 80. Multiple that 700 maternal deaths by 80 you’re at 56,000 a bit above the 40,000 highway deaths. If you threw in the somewhat less than a million abortions you’d be closer to 5m women involved and the numbers would be pretty much the same. If you adjust for the non/infrequent drivers the driving side is worse.]

    Both activities: Driving this year or having a child this year have roughly the same 0.01%-0.02% death rate depending on who all is included in the denominator. Not nothing, but not something that screams “high risk”. And actually an impressive number for the mothers considering in something like a quarter or a third of US births they cut open the mom to get the baby out!

    Smart people doing these activities pay attention, do them with care to lower the risk. (And it’s drivers rather than mothers who are subject to the risk of someone else acting like a total bozo–driving drunk, talking on their phone, texting)

  68. @Alden
    @Colin Wright

    Hispanic babies and children also have a high survival rate and excellent health. I doubt it’s cultural or environmental.

    It’s genetic. Only the tough survive in the jungles of Guatemala and deserts of Mexico for thousands of years.

    Replies: @anon, @Colin Wright

    ‘…It’s genetic. Only the tough survive in the jungles of Guatemala and deserts of Mexico for thousands of years.’

    If it was genetic, then the rate would be similarly low for North American Indians — which it most certainly is not.

    My own — quite unresearched — theory is that the spectacularly high mortality rates that accompanied the Spanish conquest led to a cultural adaptation that emphasized a high birth rate and as low a maternal death rate as possible. Only groups which adopted such practices survived. Obviously, Hispanics are victims of their own success now, but that significant native genes survived at all from the sixteenth to the twentieth century may be a result of cultural adaptation to extremely high death rates from disease, overwork, and general abuse.

    Presumably, over time and subjected to similarly extreme pressures, the only North American Indians groups which would survive would be those which developed similar practices.

  69. @Oddsbodkins
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I saw that show. Amazing the depth of the brainwashing NK has performed on its citizens. But I also suspected some of that was acted for the camera, with the consequences of an insufficient expression of love for the dear leader in mind.

    https://youtu.be/p7RtFZCpyv0

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Moscow really did win the propaganda war. We remember nothing from the very recent past.

  70. @Redneck farmer
    Is there a social statistic that Aficans in America don't have a negative impact on?

    Replies: @GermanReader2

    Self-esteem?

  71. @isitkin
    "Some 700 deaths related to pregnancy occur each year"

    This is so low. But we're going to have a whole political campaign based on the deaths of 700 people (of all races) arguing that the pie chart is off?

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    isi, You hit the nail on the head. Harris and Warren are making political hay because it’s a women’s issue. The fact that very few American women die in childbirth and the fact that the percentage difference for black women is miniscule are not up for discussion.

  72. @Hypnotoad666
    @Buzz Mohawk


    This is a non-story, and the numbers are so small it could be anything. Maybe they all smoked menthol cigarettes while drinking grape soda.
     
    Yes. This exactly.

    Just for fun I fired up an excel spreadsheet and did the math the NYT wouldn't do. Here are some fun facts about the CDC pregnancy mortality numbers (all based on 2011-2015):

    The pregnancy survival rate for blacks is 99.96% (2.925M Pregnancies/1,252 deaths). The survival rate for whites is 99.99% (10.65M Pregnancies/1,385 deaths). This means that the Black survival rate is 99.97% as high as the White rate.

    In fact if the Black survival/death rate were equal to the White rate it would only result in 174 fewer deaths per year in our entire nation of 330 million people.

    The Native American survival rate (190,769 Pregnancies/62 deaths) is a full 99.98% as high as the White rate. And if the Native American rate were the same as the White rate, it would save a grand total of seven (7) Indians per year!

    Contra to Buzz's comment, I think this actually is a big story. But only because the CDC numbers show that it is actually unbelievably safe to have a baby in America -- and that it's equally safe for all groups to the point of microscopic rounding errors.

    Ms Rabin and the NYT, however, can't see that the glass is 99.97% full, but insist instead that it is .03% empty and that White people are to blame (per usual). You really can't win with these people.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Perplexed

    Hypno, Thank you for your research which the NYT did not want to do for obvious reasons. Math is your friend.

  73. @Hypnotoad666
    @Buzz Mohawk


    This is a non-story, and the numbers are so small it could be anything. Maybe they all smoked menthol cigarettes while drinking grape soda.
     
    Yes. This exactly.

    Just for fun I fired up an excel spreadsheet and did the math the NYT wouldn't do. Here are some fun facts about the CDC pregnancy mortality numbers (all based on 2011-2015):

    The pregnancy survival rate for blacks is 99.96% (2.925M Pregnancies/1,252 deaths). The survival rate for whites is 99.99% (10.65M Pregnancies/1,385 deaths). This means that the Black survival rate is 99.97% as high as the White rate.

    In fact if the Black survival/death rate were equal to the White rate it would only result in 174 fewer deaths per year in our entire nation of 330 million people.

    The Native American survival rate (190,769 Pregnancies/62 deaths) is a full 99.98% as high as the White rate. And if the Native American rate were the same as the White rate, it would save a grand total of seven (7) Indians per year!

    Contra to Buzz's comment, I think this actually is a big story. But only because the CDC numbers show that it is actually unbelievably safe to have a baby in America -- and that it's equally safe for all groups to the point of microscopic rounding errors.

    Ms Rabin and the NYT, however, can't see that the glass is 99.97% full, but insist instead that it is .03% empty and that White people are to blame (per usual). You really can't win with these people.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Perplexed

    “Indeed, a greater proportion of the deaths among black women occurred in the later postpartum period, between seven weeks and a year after the delivery, compared with white women, the C.D.C. found.”

    What do women die of up to a year after delivery?

    Do other countries count deaths up to a year later as postpartum?

    I’m surprised how long postpartum lasts. When does it end?

  74. This article would be less racially inflammatory if instead of using white women as the denominator, it grouped American women into High maternal mortality ethnicities (black and Native American) versus Low mortality ethnicities (Hispanic, white, and Asian).

    I wish Mr. Sailer and some of the other writers on Unz would follow this more statistically appropriate methodology as well.

    Instead I often see them frame issues as exclusively white vs. nonwhite. You do this frequently, too, Mr. Sailer. As do Paul Kersey (“In X percent white county, Y percent of murders committed by nonwhites”).

  75. @obwandiyag
    Maternal mortality is much higher than any other first world country and climbing while the rates of all the rest of descending. Naturally, since you bozos don't know anything, you blame it on race. Not the shitty healthcare system that's supposed to be so great or anything.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Twinkie

    Not the shitty healthcare system that’s supposed to be so great or anything.

    Yes, American healthcare is so “shitty” that it has the highest survival and longevity rates for those afflicted with various types of cancer, far higher than even many advanced European countries.

    Health outcome is largely a combination of genetics, lifestyle/environment (diet, water quality, sanitation, etc.), and quality of medical care. That is why Hispanics in America, despite worse access to medical care than whites, outlive whites. East Asians live the longest in America, because they broadly enjoy the best of the three variables – longevity genes, relatively healthy lifestyles, and excellent access to medical care.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    @Twinkie

    Only trolls defend the American healthcare "system." You didn't earn your quarter very well.

  76. The agency found that black women were 3.3 times more likely than white women to suffer a pregnancy-related death; Native American and Alaska Native women were 2.5 times more likely to die than white women. …

    Maybe they’re pregnant more?

  77. @Twinkie
    @obwandiyag


    Not the shitty healthcare system that’s supposed to be so great or anything.
     
    Yes, American healthcare is so "shitty" that it has the highest survival and longevity rates for those afflicted with various types of cancer, far higher than even many advanced European countries.

    Health outcome is largely a combination of genetics, lifestyle/environment (diet, water quality, sanitation, etc.), and quality of medical care. That is why Hispanics in America, despite worse access to medical care than whites, outlive whites. East Asians live the longest in America, because they broadly enjoy the best of the three variables - longevity genes, relatively healthy lifestyles, and excellent access to medical care.

    Replies: @obwandiyag

    Only trolls defend the American healthcare “system.” You didn’t earn your quarter very well.

  78. Hearken ye to me, Ashholes of Ashholia

    The U.S.’s exceptionalism is clearest in its cruelty to children. The U.S. has the highest infant mortality rate of comparable OECD countries. Not only that, but 2.5 million American children are homeless and 16.2 million children “lack the means to get enough nutritious food on a regular basis.

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