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From the New York Times:

When Did Perfume Stop Being About Sex?

Its decades-long grip on the global fragrance industry is slipping. You can thank changing views on sexual orientation and gender.

By Rachel Strugatz
June 23, 2022

… The whole marketing ideal has changed: Most designers and brands aren’t using sex to sell perfume — and people aren’t buying perfume to have sex.

For decades, the marketing around perfume made seduction a priority. Fragrance was a bottled way to help someone find a mate, a construct that feels incredibly irrelevant since we now have dating apps, a more efficient and consistent way to find a partner than having someone catch your scent and fall in love with you.

And thus, in the age of Tinder, women are rapturously happy.

Oh, wait, they aren’t.

“It just feels really old fashioned and kind of offensive,” Ms. Wells said. “Now we all feel like, ‘This advertiser is going to tell me how I’m supposed to feel or that I want to have sex because of their fragrance or that I want to become an object because of their fragrance?’”

No, women want to snag a man, and, being more conscious of fragrance than men, they hope that perfume helps. Most of the time it doesn’t, to the excess profit of perfumiers, but sometimes it does. Because the potential payoff of a devoted husband is so high, while the forecastable correlation is so low (you can look up how fast a Tesla is from 0-60, but whether a particular scent will spark chemistry with a particular man is extremely unpredictable), perfumes are notorious for their huge investment in advertising.

For example, when I take my dog to the park, I’m always pointing out dogs that she should play with because they strike me as physically compatible with her: “Hey, that dog looks like another energetic one year old 55 pounder — you’d have fun with him.” But dogs exist in a social universe of body language and, especially, smells that are closed off to owners rather than looks, so my dog might be entranced by an 8-year-old 12 pounder who might not look like much but has got that smell.

Today, brands talk about fragrance in terms of places and how it will make the wearer feel. Smaller, niche perfume brands like Byredo or Le Labo are advertised as “gender neutral.” These brands don’t play to outdated gender constructs and singular messaging about sex and sexual orientation. It’s not a competition for which perfume is the sexiest; it’s about which one can elicit the strongest emotional connection.

According to Rachel Herz, a neuroscientist and the author of “The Scent of Desire: Discovering Our Enigmatic Sense of Smell,” perfume went from marketing “direct themes” like power or sex to encouraging a “personal journey.”

This journey could be one about self-empowerment or being the best “you,” which is what Glossier sells with Glossier You. According to its website, the scent will “grow with you no matter where you are in your personal evolution” because it’s “not a finished product. It needs you.”

Other fragrances take customers on a different journey. Harlem Nights from World of Chris Collins takes wearers to a speakeasy with notes of musk and rum that evoke cigars, top-shelf liquor and 1920s nightlife.

Are there colognes for men who love the smell of napalm in the morning?

So, when did perfume stop being about sex?

Culture, above all else, has had the most far-reaching effects on the perfume industry, especially in the last five years.

Traditionally, perfumes were designed for men or women — rarely both — buoyed by multimillion-dollar campaigns depicting traditional gender norms or hypersexualized images. Remember the Calvin Klein Eternity ads from the 1980s with Christy Turlington and Ed Burns? What about that sultry Gucci Guilty campaign from 2010 with Evan Rachel Wood and Chris Evans? Both seem heteronormative in today’s cultural climate.

A younger generation with more fluid interpretations of what constitutes gender, sexual orientation and romantic relationships is leading the conversation. “Gender neutral” and “genderless” have become mainstream concepts, integral to fashion, makeup and fragrance, and no longer on the fringes.

An uptick in unisex and genderless fragrance followed. In fact, many of the niche and artisanal labels that have gained widespread appeal have never assigned gender to their fragrances. Byredo has marketed its scents as unisex since Ben Gorham founded the line in 2006. The same goes for Le Labo, Escentric Molecules, D.S. & Durga, Malin + Goetz and Aesop.

“Your gender, your nationality, your sexual orientation — it doesn’t matter,” said Chris Collins, the founder and chief executive of World of Chris Collins. All 12 of the four-year-old brand’s scents are genderless. “There should not be a distinction,” he said.

For global fragrance powerhouses, gender and romance are still quintessential to mainstream appeal. While Dior’s ad campaigns are not overtly sexual, the brand presents distinct feminine ideals through Miss Dior’s ladylike campaigns, which have featured Natalie Portman since 2011, as well as those gilded J’Adore Dior ads, in which Charlize Theron has channeled a Greek goddess for 18 years.

“Romance is not necessarily passé,” Ms. Herz said. It’s the representations of romance that are more abstract, she explained, because “things are less defined heterosexually” than they were a decade ago.

The top response from a 2015 survey asking Scentbird customers why they wore fragrance was “how it made me feel.” Attracting the opposite sex was No. 6 or 7, Ms. ten Brink said.

Others use fragrance as a vehicle for self-expression. Carys Bassett, an I.T. consultant and cybersecurity specialist from Bath, England, wears perfume to stand out, like a statement coat or shoes.

This reminds me of interviews with 1970s Playboy centerfolds who always said they did the photo shoot to express who they really are (i.e., a really hot babe).

… “Artisanal scents have always been more about the scent and the notes and the ingredients, and less about the image,” said Larissa Jensen, a beauty industry analyst at the NPD Group. Fragrance bottles with lemons, oranges or lavender are the “visual descriptors” drawing people in, she said. “You’re not looking at an ad that has just a man’s naked butt.”

I could totally see having pictures of lemons, oranges, and lavenders on a label rather than a man’s naked butt.

… She discovered independent perfume makers like the Sage Goddess and the online community House of Oshun, whose founder, Lulu Eye Love, makes her favorite scent, Shut Up and Kiss Me.

Half the time, I worry that the human race will die out due to dumb fads. And the other half of the time I figure that among the customers of Shut Up and Kiss Me, life find a way.

 
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  1. My lovely girlfriend is from Siberia (really!) and her sexy perfume only enhances her sex appeal! #oldschool

    • Agree: Legba
    • Replies: @Unintended Consequence
    @Simon in London

    Er, weren't you married with children a few years ago having some trouble with the kids' schooling? Or was that a different Simon?

    Replies: @Simon in London

  2. The evolving sense of “sex” among our fake elites is totally unsexy. They are a creepy, ugly, androgynous bunch of people.

    Yet, they are very similar to the “well behaved” yuppies Steve likes so much. Well behaved snotty yuppies open the door for Admiral Rachel Levine.

    One thing that crowd has shown (the so-called SWPL crowd), is that not only are they incapable of seizing and defending territory, they can’t even hold on to it when it’s inherited! Boomer Yuppies are the most failed generation in American history.

  3. Another example, when did NFL cheerleading stop being about feminine seduction?

    There are creeping numbers of gay males getting into the relatively small NFL cheerleader squads. The other guys who are technically part of the team but also not who do the stunts are separate. I’m talking about guys who join as part of the normal squad and do nothing different, they do the female dance moves, except they don’t get pompoms.

    Recently things went to a new level with the first trans NFL cheerleader for the Carolina Panthers. There were already two gay black guys on the team of just 30.

    All spaces dominated by women seem to go this way these days. What’s unique here is that it involves those same women being displaced from very sought after and limited places.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Altai


    Another example, when did NFL cheerleading stop being about feminine seduction?
     
    It's just another part of the plan to normalize homosexuality, possibly even make it de facto compulsory behavior.

    There may be depop and eugenics angles in play.

    Or maybe the people pushing this are just big fans of The Wanting Seed.

    , @Alexander Turok
    @Altai

    I don't like sportsball so find the whole thing rather funny.

    It should be a refutation of the extreme libertarian belief that the "customer is always right" is a law that drives business. Does anyone think the customers want this?

    Replies: @scrivener3

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Altai

    WTF is going on with black men?

    "Chris Collins, the founder and chief executive of World of Chris Collins"

    https://chriscollins.com/pages/meet-chris-collins

    , @jejej
    @Altai

    Couldn't happen to better people.

    Forcing women to create people because they enjoyed rubbing genitals with a man is retarded.

    Calling an embryo a person is as retarded as saying that a man is a woman.

    And deep down everyone knows this.

    But womenz have been getting uppity as of late so, on the left, they're sending in the trans and on the right their saying, uh uh! you paired off with a guy because he had what you wanted well now you gonna have to have a B A B Y .

    I love this shit.

    I mean it's immoral to do to these women (and men) but as a means of standing athwart history and yelling for it to stop it's a fun thing to watch.

    Ban abortion, destroy womens sports and FOR THE LOVE OF GOD modest dress can't come fast enough. Cheerleading is demented.

    This business of keeping men hot and bothered and envious and sad all the time hss got to end.

    Mormons do it RIGHT (or did, they've been slipping for a while). Pair up. Love. Pet IN CHURCH ON SUNDAY! (you've got to see it) but do not enter the pu**y until you're married.

    It fuckin works.

    Well, better than the world of cheerleader watchers works.

    Replies: @prosa123, @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    , @Dave from Oz
    @Altai

    Football used to have male cheerleaders back in the day when their job was actually leading a cheer. You know: "Gimme a T!"/"T!" kinda cheer. George Bush was one.

    , @Mike_from_SGV
    @Altai

    Reason number 43,722 why I totally ignore sports now.

  4. A younger generation with more fluid interpretations of what…romantic relationships is leading the conversation.

    Interpretations such as “not having them”.

  5. A little dab of gasoline and gunpowder behind your ear should work for real men

    • Replies: @Legba
    @possumman

    I like to wear a little Hoppes #9

    , @Esso
    @possumman

    Better make sure it's the fastest pistol powder. They put bisfenol-A in gunpowders as a binder and retardant. Yes, your guns are making you gay.

    I'd substitute cognac, thyme and a little bit of fish sauce for the gasoline.

  6. Have they made a perfume for transgender mermaids yet?

    • Replies: @raga10
    @Richard of Melbourne


    Have they made a perfume for transgender mermaids yet?
     
    Yes, Fish Guts by Calvin Klein.

    The whole cosmetic industry is one of the biggest cons perpetuated on humanity, with perfumes being perhaps the worst offender of them all. I have to admit that make-up can make substantial and striking difference in how a person looks... but perfume? Meh, I always told my girlfriends I preferred their natural smell to any artificial ones but secretly I always wished they'd just rub some garlic on them :)
  7. What percentage of people still wear perfume/cologne? Considering how many people look down on someone who sticks up the office/gym/restaurant, more people do not wear scents anymore.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @guest007

    I put on cologne prior to going to work. It makes me smell clean.

    Mrs Prude has a wonderful natural odor, but a little Joop or Lulu turbocharges her appeal.

    Since when did traditional sex roles become "outdated"?

  8. These blackpills are painful to swallow, and lately you’ve been dishing them out by the handful.

    It’s important to remember that these opinions are held by a minority, however loud and powerful. They are pushing the pendulum too far and too fast, and they risk a severe reaction. Besides, the “Shut Up and Kiss Me” types are far more numerous, especially in Europe. (UK and Ireland aside, obviously. After all, English language media is the thing driving Clownworld/Weimerica.)

  9. who might not look like much but has got that smell

    • Replies: @Cool Daddy Jimbo
    @ScarletNumber

    A few years ago my wife came in talking about a song she had heard, "something about a smell." Said it was cool and was wondering who sang it. She grew up in Jacksonville, for fuck's sake. Drove past THE oak tree every day on her way to swim practice. Hard to take her seriously these days.

  10. @Altai
    Another example, when did NFL cheerleading stop being about feminine seduction?

    There are creeping numbers of gay males getting into the relatively small NFL cheerleader squads. The other guys who are technically part of the team but also not who do the stunts are separate. I'm talking about guys who join as part of the normal squad and do nothing different, they do the female dance moves, except they don't get pompoms.

    Recently things went to a new level with the first trans NFL cheerleader for the Carolina Panthers. There were already two gay black guys on the team of just 30.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uNyhReYv_A

    All spaces dominated by women seem to go this way these days. What's unique here is that it involves those same women being displaced from very sought after and limited places.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W3qEBmLW0A

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Alexander Turok, @The Anti-Gnostic, @jejej, @Dave from Oz, @Mike_from_SGV

    Another example, when did NFL cheerleading stop being about feminine seduction?

    It’s just another part of the plan to normalize homosexuality, possibly even make it de facto compulsory behavior.

    There may be depop and eugenics angles in play.

    Or maybe the people pushing this are just big fans of The Wanting Seed.

  11. Perfume just hides body chemistry. Some perfumes are nice if they compliment the natural scent, but the smell of skin is better. Now that people bathe regularly, what’s the point of perfume? It’s not 1910. Everybody has running water and soap.

    I picked up the mail several days ago and saw an ad from one of the big perfume companies that featured a pair of women looking seductive together. I’m not sure who that’s supposed to appeal to. It’s not 2000, and even men are tired of the lesbian thing.

    What most people want from fashion is well-made clothing that fit and are affordable. I don’t think gaudy scents are big, and most people don’t enjoy shopping as much as homosexuals, so they don’t view clothes or money as disposable.

    • Agree: AnotherDad, Bumpkin
  12. “Swarfega – the Scent Of A Man”

    ” There’s a mild citrus smell to mask the chemicals, but it retains the characteristic Swarfega smell – somewhere between petrol and detergent. ”

    https://kit.honestjohn.co.uk/reviews/review-swarfega-original-classic-hand-cleaner-275ml/

    “Before Swarfega, mechanics used a variety of harsh home-brewed cleaners such as paraffin (kerosene), sand and petrol. These removed the skin’s natural oils, leading to dry, cracked skin and the risk of occupational dermatitis. The effectiveness of Swarfega is due to the hydrophobic ingredients, including medium-chain (C9-C16) alkanes and cycloalkanes; in combination with an emulsifier (Trideceth-5 in current formulations). These are more efficient at solubilizing oil and grease than a detergent alone.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swarfega

    (What’s the US equivalent?)

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Replies: @anonymous
    @YetAnotherAnon


    What’s the US equivalent?
     
    https://hip2save.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/goop-hand-cleaner-14oz.jpg

    Also in orange!
    https://www.harborfreight.com/media/catalog/product/i/m/image_16711.jpg

    Replies: @Jack D

  13. Are there colognes for men who love the smell of napalm in the morning?

    Indeed. From the same people who brought you Hai Karate, introducing…Smells Like Victory.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Luddite in Chief

    Sorry, but I could not resist

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtwh3nQP5Uo

  14. A soft perfume mixed with a woman’s natural scent (sans deodorant) is a 10 on the olfactory scale. It’ll make a 5 a 7 on the visual scale as well.

  15. Elsewhere I have read that on average, young Americans are having less sex than in the past and although there must be numerous factors I would definitely chalk up the trend towards gender neutrality in fashion and behavior as a contributing factor. Suppressing the natural instincts of men being men and women being women has to tamp down on the libido in social situations.

    An anecdotal example was a wedding for a 20 something couple I attended a few years ago. Both the spouse and I commented on a) how the clothing of most of the young ladies negated whatever attributes they had rather than accentuated it, and b) most of the young men clearly didn’t exercise or do anything to enhance their physical appearance either, and also adopted a physical posture that basically said “kick me”. In fact the most masculine guys there was a gay couple that I ended up talking to who it turns out both played on a competitive amateur soccer team.

    Anyway, unlike when I was the same age and weddings seemed like a prime opportunity for unattached young people to hook up for the evening, this event had absolutely none of that vibe. A Mormon middle school dance would have had more sexual tension than this.

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123, Old Prude
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Arclight


    Elsewhere I have read that on average, young Americans are having less sex than in the past and although there must be numerous factors I would definitely chalk up the trend towards gender neutrality in fashion and behavior as a contributing factor.
     
    We could start calling them the Junior Anti-sex League.

    That fits quite nicely.
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @Arclight

    I have teenage sons and young men seem to me to be in far better shape (and more masculine) than in the 1970s/80s. My wife thinks this is driving transgenderism. You can’t be a normal kid anymore. If you can’t keep pace with the boys who work out 3 hours a day then maybe you do feel like you must be a girl.

    Replies: @pirelli, @Muggles

    , @JimDandy
    @Arclight

    most of the young men clearly didn’t exercise or do anything to enhance their physical appearance either, and also adopted a physical posture that basically said “kick me”.

    Nice description of Beta Nation. If you wanted to see them get up on their hind legs and show some passion, you should have shouted, "DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS SUCKS!"

    I believe that at least part of the "less sex" stat has to do with what the Manosphere used to call the 80/20 rule, where supposedly 80% of the women are only interested pursuing relationships with the top 20% of men. There are definitely hypermasculine young men today--in the black community they are committing most of the violent crime in America. But they exist in the white and hispanic communities, too. It may be that the disparity between the alphas and the betas has grown.

    Replies: @SFG, @Simon in London

    , @Jay Fink
    @Arclight

    I always read about weak feminine men, especially on conservative leaning sites, but rarely see them in real life. If people from say the 50s/60s travelled to the 70s/80s and today and you asked them which men are more masculine they would say today. In fact they would probably be scared at how masculine today's young men are. They are mostly muscular (induced by steroids in many cases), covered in tatts and often have big bushy beards. Men of the past were natural and normal looking, today they are extremely modified and all the modification is to look more masculine.

    So while the conventional wisdom is men have become more feminine and women have become more masculine my observations is both genders have never been more masculine. We have developed into a very masculine culture, maybe not in spirit but on the surface.

    , @MGB
    @Arclight

    i'd blame it on the ubiquity of porn, which likely leads to a lot of 'young Americans' masturbating, who are then worn out, ashamed, and ultimately disgusted by what they just watched leading to what they just did. not to criticize woody allen's hobby, but self love is supposed to be for the unlucky at love until they mature, not a replacement for the real thing.

    Replies: @Simon in London

  16. I’m a simple guy, Women wearing Shalimar and bias-cut dresses got me pretty much every time.

  17. Steve, this is one of the funniest (and saddest!) things you have ever written. Bravo!

  18. This type of NYT article is tailor-made for your urbane sense of humor, Steve, and your writing style of “interrupting” and “talking back” to the published piece. The comparison to dog park etiquette, and your aside about 1970s Playmates, really cracked me up.

  19. “Your gender, your nationality, your sexual orientation — it doesn’t matter,” said Chris Collins, the founder and chief executive of World of Chris Collins. All 12 of the four-year-old brand’s scents are genderless. “There should not be a distinction,” he said.

    What a horrible vision for the world. The laws of thermodynamics dictate that the universe will eventually become a cold, dark, uniform soup. We don’t need Chris Collins helping us on the way. Distinction and difference are what makes life fun!

    • Replies: @Joe Magarac
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    The moral arc of the universe bends toward chaos.

  20. There’s a book titled Big Secret, a compilation of a newspaper column, it represents investigative journalism without ideology (they have the recipes for Coke and the Colonel’s eleven herbs and spices). It has a chapter on perfumes of the eighties. Shockingly, it turns out that (1) perfume isn’t pure fraud (compare the vodka taster who can accurately name a set of eight in a blind tasting) and (2) many ingredients are rather familiar (oils of fruit, flowers and woods). The most expensive perfume to produce, according to this unupdated book, is Bal de Versailles.

  21. @NJ Transit Commuter

    “Your gender, your nationality, your sexual orientation — it doesn’t matter,” said Chris Collins, the founder and chief executive of World of Chris Collins. All 12 of the four-year-old brand’s scents are genderless. “There should not be a distinction,” he said.
     
    What a horrible vision for the world. The laws of thermodynamics dictate that the universe will eventually become a cold, dark, uniform soup. We don’t need Chris Collins helping us on the way. Distinction and difference are what makes life fun!

    Replies: @Joe Magarac

    The moral arc of the universe bends toward chaos.

  22. @ScarletNumber

    who might not look like much but has got that smell
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkjL0lL7suI

    Replies: @Cool Daddy Jimbo

    A few years ago my wife came in talking about a song she had heard, “something about a smell.” Said it was cool and was wondering who sang it. She grew up in Jacksonville, for fuck’s sake. Drove past THE oak tree every day on her way to swim practice. Hard to take her seriously these days.

    • LOL: ScarletNumber
  23. OT — ROE REVERSED — This means several states with automatic activation laws ban abortion.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/24/roe-v-wade-overturned-by-supreme-court-ending-federal-abortion-rights.html
    Merrick Garland, in an unprecedented move, vindicated all the worst criticism of him from his own Supreme Court bid by penning a denunciation of his effective superiors in the Supreme Court for rejecting a New York law requiring anyone seeking a concealed carry permit to be wealthy and have connections, that is, to persuade a judge that living in New York was somehow dangerous.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @J.Ross


    Merrick Garland...vindicated all the worst criticism of him
     
    Garland is just a partisan hack. He is likely the most despicable member of this despicable administration.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @J.Ross


    OT — ROE REVERSED — This means several states with automatic activation laws ban abortion.
     
    Not just "automatic activation laws", but existing laws that have never been rewritten after Roe came down. The statutes just never got enforced thereafter. Wisconsin is in this position, Michigan too I believe, and several other states.

    Considering how split these states are politically, it's hard to see any change in the applicable laws-- in either direction-- coming anytime soon. Thus the old rules are back in effect by default.

    "Turn it back to the states"? You mean to the counties and the cities!

  24. Anonymous[602] • Disclaimer says:
    @Arclight
    Elsewhere I have read that on average, young Americans are having less sex than in the past and although there must be numerous factors I would definitely chalk up the trend towards gender neutrality in fashion and behavior as a contributing factor. Suppressing the natural instincts of men being men and women being women has to tamp down on the libido in social situations.

    An anecdotal example was a wedding for a 20 something couple I attended a few years ago. Both the spouse and I commented on a) how the clothing of most of the young ladies negated whatever attributes they had rather than accentuated it, and b) most of the young men clearly didn't exercise or do anything to enhance their physical appearance either, and also adopted a physical posture that basically said "kick me". In fact the most masculine guys there was a gay couple that I ended up talking to who it turns out both played on a competitive amateur soccer team.

    Anyway, unlike when I was the same age and weddings seemed like a prime opportunity for unattached young people to hook up for the evening, this event had absolutely none of that vibe. A Mormon middle school dance would have had more sexual tension than this.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Peter Akuleyev, @JimDandy, @Jay Fink, @MGB

    Elsewhere I have read that on average, young Americans are having less sex than in the past and although there must be numerous factors I would definitely chalk up the trend towards gender neutrality in fashion and behavior as a contributing factor.

    We could start calling them the Junior Anti-sex League.

    That fits quite nicely.

  25. Back when I was a young whippersnapper and dating, I appreciated a girl putting on perfume for a date in the same way I appreciated her dressing up nice — as a sign of appreciation for me. But if the perfume had any other effect, I’m not aware of it. It was certainly not a first-order effect.

    • Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost
    @International Jew

    My wife informed me that women do numerous things to enhance their allure to men, and men are generally oblivious. Or maybe at least not completely conscious: now that any member of the female sex might be transitioning, and wears shapeless forms and neutral colors, the individual of the male sex who isn’t himself transitioning finds himself less aroused but doesn’t really know why.

    , @Bert
    @International Jew

    What does have a first-order effect is that %$***! scented body powder that benighted coeds put on when they're applying for a personal assistant position. "Stay away from all fabric coverings in this house until you take a shower. Here's a towel." Though they comply, I hate that stuff.

    , @Matthew Kelly
    @International Jew

    I have a distinct memory of my youthful days when a new chick showed up in the office and I and the dudebro in the neighboring office immediately remarked on, in conjunction with how hot she was, how great her perfume smelled.

    Dudebro went on to marry her and ended up with a nice, big family.

    This was at a glamorous company in midtown Manhattan, and we were not wanting for young, single, marriage-wanting hot chicks in the office--so my assumption was the perfume was but one of any number of possible instruments in setting her apart from the crowd and landing her a quality mate.

    , @Brutusale
    @International Jew

    Sorry, but when I lean in close to kiss the girl, the scent of her perfume goes right to my hindbrain. As does its traces on my pillows put me to sleep with a smile on my face.

    , @Jack D
    @International Jew

    Personally I can't stand any kind of strong perfume odor. It is almost a panic type, "get me out of here" reaction. If my wife puts on some sort of strongly scented hand cream or hand sanitizer in the car, I go nuts. We use only unscented laundry detergent and soaps. I don't believe that strong smells are harmful to my health, I just don't enjoy them (to put it mildly). If a perfume smell has faded to a mild, almost undetectable level I can enjoy it but if it is freshly applied I want to flee the room.

    My father had the same strong aversion. Does anyone else have this? I wonder if there is a genetic component in the way that people experience smells?

    Replies: @LP5, @Marat, @Bernard, @AnotherDad, @Old Prude

    , @Jay Fink
    @International Jew

    The women (specifically the anglo women) here in the Pacific Northwest mostly do not wear perfume, put on makeup or dress nice. They also seem to wear the ugliest glasses they can possibly find . They are very granola to the point of being raw. I am not a native to this area and I find it impossible to be attracted to this ultra plain look. The Hispanic women here (my city is over 50% Latino) take the exact opposite approach. They wear perfume and smell nice, full makeup including sexy lashes and nails, sexy outfits, even the way they wear their purses as fashion accessories is attractive to me.

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @International Jew

    My own experience is that perfumes are enhancing if used correctly but otherwise annoying. On a few occasions I have met older women who dressed very well and wore subtle scents that complemented their overall appearance. In these cases, the cloud of odor surrounding them combined with their appearance made you feel you were entering some refined space when you got close to them.

    I have also, on many occasions, been assaulted by the smell of designer perfumes worn by women in inappropriate circumstances such as classrooms or offices. In this case, the perfume does nothing to improve the experience and the extra sensory impact is just annoying.

  26. Overuse of perfume is as good a marker of crazy as multiple cats.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
    • Replies: @guest007
    @Anon

    Maybe Steve could write up a column on signs that women are crazy/not marriage material. There has to be columns written about the bridezillas on reality shows.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

  27. Harlem Nights from World of Chris Collins takes wearers to a speakeasy with notes of musk and rum that evoke cigars, top-shelf liquor and 1920s nightlife.

    A musky nightclub in Harlem that smells of cigars and liquor? No thanks.

    “Your gender, your nationality, your sexual orientation — it doesn’t matter,” said Chris Collins, the founder and chief executive of World of Chris Collins. All 12 of the four-year-old brand’s scents are genderless. “There should not be a distinction,” he said.

    You’ll fit in perfectly, Chris Collins. You can call your next scent ‘Davos.’

    I’m just glad they finally wrenched away control of the ladies perfume marketing business from all the cishet bros.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    The scent and smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning. Then the soul-erosion produced by high gambling--a compost of greed and fear and nervous tension--becomes unbearable and the senses awake and revolt from it.



    Bottle it now!
     

     

     
  28. “It just feels really old fashioned and kind of offensive,” Ms. Wells said.

    Translation: The reality of there being 2 sexes hasn’t changed since our distant ancestors crawled out of the primordial slime. It is old, therefore, ipso facto, it is bad.

    By Rachel Strugatz

    Wasn’t Tony Soprano’s boat called “The Strugatz”?

  29. While Dior’s ad campaigns are not overtly sexual, the brand presents distinct feminine ideals through Miss Dior’s ladylike campaigns, which have featured Natalie Portman since 2011

    Er… are they talking about the Dior perfume commercial wherein Natalie Portman played a bride who bolted from the altar at the last second, climbed a rope ladder into a helicopter, and confidently took over control of the chopper to captain her big escape?

  30. No, women want to snag a man

    A lot of women (who may be happy with the men they already snagged or truly don’t want a man at that moment) want to signal to other women that they could snag a man if they felt like it. Women may not be consciously aware that’s what they’re doing, and so deny it’s about sex. Well, they are kind of right – really it’s status signaling.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Peter Akuleyev

    My experience has been that it is the other way around: women generally want a man who could cheat on them with any number of other women, but of course, wouldn't.

  31. @Arclight
    Elsewhere I have read that on average, young Americans are having less sex than in the past and although there must be numerous factors I would definitely chalk up the trend towards gender neutrality in fashion and behavior as a contributing factor. Suppressing the natural instincts of men being men and women being women has to tamp down on the libido in social situations.

    An anecdotal example was a wedding for a 20 something couple I attended a few years ago. Both the spouse and I commented on a) how the clothing of most of the young ladies negated whatever attributes they had rather than accentuated it, and b) most of the young men clearly didn't exercise or do anything to enhance their physical appearance either, and also adopted a physical posture that basically said "kick me". In fact the most masculine guys there was a gay couple that I ended up talking to who it turns out both played on a competitive amateur soccer team.

    Anyway, unlike when I was the same age and weddings seemed like a prime opportunity for unattached young people to hook up for the evening, this event had absolutely none of that vibe. A Mormon middle school dance would have had more sexual tension than this.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Peter Akuleyev, @JimDandy, @Jay Fink, @MGB

    I have teenage sons and young men seem to me to be in far better shape (and more masculine) than in the 1970s/80s. My wife thinks this is driving transgenderism. You can’t be a normal kid anymore. If you can’t keep pace with the boys who work out 3 hours a day then maybe you do feel like you must be a girl.

    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @pirelli
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Yeah I don’t see any support for the view that young men today are working out less than in previous decades. I think they’re probably working out significantly more on average than in the 70s / 80s.

    Obesity has been on the rise since then, of course, but if you focus on affluent men in their 20s, my guess is that they tend to be fitter and more muscular today than in the past.

    All men after a certain age are tempted by the “Last of the Mohicans” fantasy, in which they reimagine their generation as the last generation of “real men.” It has no basis in fact but seems to be irresistible to a large percentage of men over 50 (probably because they are losing muscle mass and testosterone at that time).

    , @Muggles
    @Peter Akuleyev


    If you can’t keep pace with the boys who work out 3 hours a day then maybe you do feel like you must be a girl.
     
    Boys and young men, unless they do hard work on a farm or ranch, could never look like a gym rat. In the past. Some are born with more athletic potential than others.

    School jocks did, but that was seasonal and many of them were also quite heavy and/or pretty dumb. They were lauded by their schools as "special" but that usually didn't help their dating other than to have letter jackets to hand out or to be a "cool kid."

    An no, it didn't cause normals to want to become girls.

    Guys who look buff in some respects seem suspiciously gay to most guys, unless they are athletes or do some regular voluntary exercise like biking, running, amateur sports, etc.

    What nearly all males learn pretty quick is that young women do like "alpha males" to some extent but only for a while, usually. These are the pretty jocks. But most of them are boors and only the dumber females stay that entranced.

    Women don't buy bodybuilder mags nor do they say they like really buff guys for the most part. Yes, fit and healthy and no bad habits, not prone to quick decay or obesity, but that's about it.

    Gay men are far more into looks than women.

    I think kindness, high earning potential (intelligence, diligence) and basic fitness are major attractors. The dumb blondes and the like who go for the jocks often end up as punching bags for drunks or ex wives of stray tomcats. Of course tastes vary widely.

    I don't think "trans women" turn that way because they can't compete with workout nuts. Bruce Jenner certainly could. Many come out after long marriages and had no trouble with women.

    Who do they think would want to date a "trans female" anyway? A normal guy? A normal female?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  32. @International Jew
    Back when I was a young whippersnapper and dating, I appreciated a girl putting on perfume for a date in the same way I appreciated her dressing up nice — as a sign of appreciation for me. But if the perfume had any other effect, I'm not aware of it. It was certainly not a first-order effect.

    Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost, @Bert, @Matthew Kelly, @Brutusale, @Jack D, @Jay Fink, @Chrisnonymous

    My wife informed me that women do numerous things to enhance their allure to men, and men are generally oblivious. Or maybe at least not completely conscious: now that any member of the female sex might be transitioning, and wears shapeless forms and neutral colors, the individual of the male sex who isn’t himself transitioning finds himself less aroused but doesn’t really know why.

  33. Half the time, I worry that the human race will die out due to dumb fads.

    How to examine the pro-selected?

    Look at the best of type being selected in our place.

    Who is still questioning that we are living in a time of selection from people above us?

  34. I know it’s been said before, but scents can stay deep in our memories. I remember a girl I knew only about 8 months almost 4o years ago wore lavender perfume, all the time. If someone would open up a bottle right now (but I don’t go to malls anymore), I would have memories of her instantly that I haven’t thought of in many years.

    So, girls might want to think about using a unique perfume scent and keeping the same one. It could be like your own blue check mark.

    (Sometimes on the internet everyone knows you’re a dog.)

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • LOL: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    @Achmed E. Newman


    I remember a girl I knew only about 8 months almost 4o years ago wore lavender perfume, all the time.
     
    Ditto for me - it was 37 years ago, we were together for just over 8 months, and the scent was "Anaïs Anaïs" by Cacharel.

    It's still produced to this day, and I catch a whiff of it about once every six months (always on "women of a certain age" - and they're always bathed in the fucking stuff... subtlety went out in about 1990).
  35. @Altai
    Another example, when did NFL cheerleading stop being about feminine seduction?

    There are creeping numbers of gay males getting into the relatively small NFL cheerleader squads. The other guys who are technically part of the team but also not who do the stunts are separate. I'm talking about guys who join as part of the normal squad and do nothing different, they do the female dance moves, except they don't get pompoms.

    Recently things went to a new level with the first trans NFL cheerleader for the Carolina Panthers. There were already two gay black guys on the team of just 30.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uNyhReYv_A

    All spaces dominated by women seem to go this way these days. What's unique here is that it involves those same women being displaced from very sought after and limited places.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W3qEBmLW0A

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Alexander Turok, @The Anti-Gnostic, @jejej, @Dave from Oz, @Mike_from_SGV

    I don’t like sportsball so find the whole thing rather funny.

    It should be a refutation of the extreme libertarian belief that the “customer is always right” is a law that drives business. Does anyone think the customers want this?

    • Replies: @scrivener3
    @Alexander Turok


    It should be a refutation of the extreme libertarian belief that the “customer is always right” is a law that drives business. Does anyone think the customers want this?
     
    The "customer" is the US government. Pleasing purchasers of your product is passé, pleasing the all-powerful permanent leviathan is au courant. An investigation can bankrupt you, a slur or accusation can dry up your financing, an audit can cost you more than your production, a group of positive tests can shut you down, etc.
  36. @International Jew
    Back when I was a young whippersnapper and dating, I appreciated a girl putting on perfume for a date in the same way I appreciated her dressing up nice — as a sign of appreciation for me. But if the perfume had any other effect, I'm not aware of it. It was certainly not a first-order effect.

    Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost, @Bert, @Matthew Kelly, @Brutusale, @Jack D, @Jay Fink, @Chrisnonymous

    What does have a first-order effect is that %\$***! scented body powder that benighted coeds put on when they’re applying for a personal assistant position. “Stay away from all fabric coverings in this house until you take a shower. Here’s a towel.” Though they comply, I hate that stuff.

  37. No, women want to snag a man, and, being more conscious of fragrance than men, they hope that perfume helps.

    Some of the more clever ones know that smell has a strong impact on emotion and memory so they make sure to give you a hug and leave their perfume on you, or rub their perfume from their faces and necks all over your pillow so that you think about them when they’re gone.

  38. NYT: When Did Perfume Stop Being About Sex?

    June 23rd, 2022, when the New York Times decided to alter reality, once again. I guess the kind of thinking that went into making the 1619 project has really seized the minds at the NYT, who seem to have decided that they can fix the world simply by declaring change to be underway, regardless of what’s actually going on, outside their offices.

    Here are a couple of ads from late 2021, and 2018. I don’t see any great change, at least in the visuals, and the overall concept.

    • Replies: @JoeSee
    @PiltdownMan

    I had the same thoughts. Someone out of the blue declares in the New York Times something or other, and all of a sudden the whole of reality is realigned. "Bubble" doesn't begin to describe it.

  39. @Arclight
    Elsewhere I have read that on average, young Americans are having less sex than in the past and although there must be numerous factors I would definitely chalk up the trend towards gender neutrality in fashion and behavior as a contributing factor. Suppressing the natural instincts of men being men and women being women has to tamp down on the libido in social situations.

    An anecdotal example was a wedding for a 20 something couple I attended a few years ago. Both the spouse and I commented on a) how the clothing of most of the young ladies negated whatever attributes they had rather than accentuated it, and b) most of the young men clearly didn't exercise or do anything to enhance their physical appearance either, and also adopted a physical posture that basically said "kick me". In fact the most masculine guys there was a gay couple that I ended up talking to who it turns out both played on a competitive amateur soccer team.

    Anyway, unlike when I was the same age and weddings seemed like a prime opportunity for unattached young people to hook up for the evening, this event had absolutely none of that vibe. A Mormon middle school dance would have had more sexual tension than this.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Peter Akuleyev, @JimDandy, @Jay Fink, @MGB

    most of the young men clearly didn’t exercise or do anything to enhance their physical appearance either, and also adopted a physical posture that basically said “kick me”.

    Nice description of Beta Nation. If you wanted to see them get up on their hind legs and show some passion, you should have shouted, “DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS SUCKS!”

    I believe that at least part of the “less sex” stat has to do with what the Manosphere used to call the 80/20 rule, where supposedly 80% of the women are only interested pursuing relationships with the top 20% of men. There are definitely hypermasculine young men today–in the black community they are committing most of the violent crime in America. But they exist in the white and hispanic communities, too. It may be that the disparity between the alphas and the betas has grown.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @JimDandy

    What edition?

    , @Simon in London
    @JimDandy

    >>If you wanted to see them get up on their hind legs and show some passion, you should have shouted, “DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS SUCKS!”<<

    One of the guys I play D&D with, R, is a hardcore ex-military/prison guard/police (currently Border Control) chap with a lot of Heathen/Odinist tattoos. He likes to show off his photos from when he trained the Special Boat Service (SBS) in non-lethal arrest techniques. There was a funny/worrying moment playing D&D when a mouth-breathing Gamma type J (the sort you're referring to) expressed snide scepticism about this. R is a lovely guy but not someone to be insulting.

    Us older Gen X (40s-50s) D&D players seem to span a range from fairly nerdy like me, normal like my friend M, to very macho like R. The Millennials are noticeably more feminine though - and include a lot more actual women, dandy voice actors, and creatures like J who fit your stereotype. I had to ban J from my game recently, I just didn't enjoy interacting with him and he'd creep on both the female player he's obsessed with, and any NPC female who looks at his PC twice.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Bill P, @Anonymous

  40. @International Jew
    Back when I was a young whippersnapper and dating, I appreciated a girl putting on perfume for a date in the same way I appreciated her dressing up nice — as a sign of appreciation for me. But if the perfume had any other effect, I'm not aware of it. It was certainly not a first-order effect.

    Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost, @Bert, @Matthew Kelly, @Brutusale, @Jack D, @Jay Fink, @Chrisnonymous

    I have a distinct memory of my youthful days when a new chick showed up in the office and I and the dudebro in the neighboring office immediately remarked on, in conjunction with how hot she was, how great her perfume smelled.

    Dudebro went on to marry her and ended up with a nice, big family.

    This was at a glamorous company in midtown Manhattan, and we were not wanting for young, single, marriage-wanting hot chicks in the office–so my assumption was the perfume was but one of any number of possible instruments in setting her apart from the crowd and landing her a quality mate.

  41. Are there colognes for men who love the smell of napalm in the morning?

    Those guys dab a little Hoppes No. 9 behind their ears.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • LOL: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Harry Baldwin


    Are there colognes for men who love the smell of napalm in the morning?

     

    https://www.froggysfog.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/775x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/s/p/spr-1oz-guns.jpg
    https://fimgs.net/mdimg/perfume/375x500.41102.jpg

    No, women want to snag a man, and, being more conscious of fragrance than men, they hope that perfume helps.
     
    Women really have a nose for scents: a woman in the the office said to me: You took a bath using XYZ soap, didn't you?

    Damn if she wasn't right.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Harry Baldwin

    Haha! Then, there's also the universal cleanser, perfume, and general fluid used for "freshening up", the beautiful blue-tinted 100ll Avgas.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Twinkie
    @Harry Baldwin


    Hoppes No. 9
     
    Man, I remember that scent. It had an oddly pleasant (to me) odor, but it was pretty toxic as I recall. Naturally I inhaled a copious amount during gun-cleaning.

    Hoppes these days sells rebranded MPro-7, which is non-toxic (it’s a “high-tech” surfactant) and has no odor.
  42. Anon[220] • Disclaimer says:

    “Harlem Nights from World of Chris Collins”

    This fragrance is clearly aimed at blacks, which kind of disproves the thesis of the article. With the exception of some jazz fans, most whites wouldn’t associate “Harlem Nights” with anything positive. Best case scenario, a white person would describe Harlem as “not as bad as it used to be.” “Harlem Nights” describes a time and place where a white person would avoid being out on the street.

    Blacks, on the other hand, probably associate Harlem Nights with Billie Holliday, Louis Armstrong and Langston Hughes. I’m sure there is a movie set in Harlem in the 20s with glamorous black actors in period dress acting cool.

    • Agree: Ray Caruso
    • Replies: @EdwardM
    @Anon

    "You ain't kickin' shit!"

    https://youtu.be/5JEvOnggeuM

    , @Sick n' Tired
    @Anon

    There's literally a movie called "Harlem Nights" starring Eddie Murphy & Richard Pryor, but it takes place in the 30s.

    https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0097481/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_3

  43. I agree with this. In high school, late 90s, a gf wore this rather exciting stuff called Moonlight (or Moonlit) Path. It certainly had an effect on me. I would be transported to prom or any number of other vivid memories with her if I got a whiff of that now.

    Men often did the same. Several older men in my family wore Old Spice, Dad wore Bois du Portugal (I sometimes do, too, in the winter) …trademark scents that the ladies liked then and now.

    I didn’t realize it was out of fashion to wear them to appeal to the ladies or them to appeal to us; I still do. But I do notice fewer people, of either gender, wearing them at all.

  44. Perfume is mostly about money.

    You can buy perfectly adequate perfumes and the dollar store for a dollar. Maybe they are \$1.25 now. That covers the cost of the box, the glass squirty bottle, the scented liquid, the distribution, and some profit for the retailer and manufacturer.

    Obviously the dollar store perfumes are not quite as potent as the more expensive brands, but they get the job done.

    Although the more expensive perfumes probably do contain more expensive ingredients, most of the extra cost just goes on advertising, promotion, and profits.

    A bit similar to alcoholic drinks really, where industrially produced spirits are sold in fancy glass bottles for ridiculous prices, but they don’t get you any drunker than the cheap liquor.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Jonathan Mason

    Many women greatly dislike the smell of cheap cologne or what remains after it quickly disappears, immensely.

    It seems to remind them of their awkward first or early dates by very young boys and men.

    Better save up for the good stuff, or at least not your recommended $1.29 scent. Women don't usually like cheapskates.

    Better nothing than smelling cheap and dumb.

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    , @anonymous
    @Jonathan Mason

    No, women really can tell the difference from the good stuff ... plus when they come to your pad they need and want to SEE that name-brand cologne bottle, they will tell their friends about it, seriously

    On a budget tho, you can go to certain discount stores which will have off-runs and remainders of top name-brand fragrances for as little as 40% of the usual price

    Every single man needs two things, name-brand cologne and a $1000-plus fine watch ... with those two, you can pull off having down-market clothing. Europeans do this a lot, dressing down, but with the watch the visual giveaway they are doing ok in life.

    And for a truly 'masculine' scent with just a hint of being 'right wing', you can try some of the quite good fragrances from the firm founded by Hugo Boss (1885-1948), Nazi party member from 1931-45 and Reich couturier

    https://i.postimg.cc/WbXgNzjV/Hugo-Boss-Hitler-Tailor.jpg

    , @R.G. Camara
    @Jonathan Mason

    Women have a better sense of smell than men. Cheap perfume/cologne causes many of them to fell disgust and get headaches. There really are higher-priced scents that are better, and women's noses can tell.

    That said, perfume is largely something women did for men's arousal, and then for other women (as social status). Since women today are taught not to care for men, and uglify themselves on purposes (getting fat/tattoos/multiple partners), only girly-girls wear it, and they are fewer and far between.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Jonathan Mason


    You can buy perfectly adequate perfumes and the dollar store for a dollar. Maybe they are $1.25 now.
     
    LOL.

    I can't believe we're over a hundred comments in and nobody has linked to "Jack the Perfume Nationalist"...

    https://theperfumenationalist.libsyn.com/
  45. Anonymous[354] • Disclaimer says:

    Jonathan King, the UK ‘music producer’ and convicted pedophile once described the singer Tom Jones as ‘personified underarm odor’.

  46. Anonymous[354] • Disclaimer says:

    OT.

    A senior ‘Nigerian politician’ with UK residency has just been arrested for importing a Nigerian boy into the UK with the express intention of using the said boy as a ‘bespoke’ organ donor for his ailing daughter.

    Transforming to the third world does have some rather odd consequences.

  47. Steve, father time is undefeated…

  48. It is not always about sex. In Islam, it is called Attar and is used for prayer.

    https://www.etsy.com/market/islamic_attar

  49. Are there colognes for men who love the smell of napalm in the morning?

    If you are man enough, you can try Sex Panther: “60% of the time, it works every time.”

  50. Twutter is telling me that Roe vs Wade has been struck down. Stand by for rioting.

    My forecast is that “feminists” aka every young “educated” woman will be wailing and gnashing teeth, then after dark the usual suspects will take advantage of the cover to loot. It could also be that the young women and the usual suspects may have interaction not necessarily to the former’s advantage. I remember when the 2011 UK riots spread it wasn’t all good for young ladies, nor the 1981 riots.

    It’s a Friday night and the weather’s warm. I would lay money there’ll be trouble in London and Bristol, broad though the Atlantic be.

  51. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Arclight

    I have teenage sons and young men seem to me to be in far better shape (and more masculine) than in the 1970s/80s. My wife thinks this is driving transgenderism. You can’t be a normal kid anymore. If you can’t keep pace with the boys who work out 3 hours a day then maybe you do feel like you must be a girl.

    Replies: @pirelli, @Muggles

    Yeah I don’t see any support for the view that young men today are working out less than in previous decades. I think they’re probably working out significantly more on average than in the 70s / 80s.

    Obesity has been on the rise since then, of course, but if you focus on affluent men in their 20s, my guess is that they tend to be fitter and more muscular today than in the past.

    All men after a certain age are tempted by the “Last of the Mohicans” fantasy, in which they reimagine their generation as the last generation of “real men.” It has no basis in fact but seems to be irresistible to a large percentage of men over 50 (probably because they are losing muscle mass and testosterone at that time).

    • Agree: guest007
  52. In fact, many of the niche and artisanal labels that have gained widespread appeal have never assigned gender to their fragrances.

    I smell a business opportunity to market a niche tranny perfume, called “Confusion.” Or perhaps a niche fragrance for alpha ex-men called: “It’s Ma’am.”

  53. @Harry Baldwin
    Are there colognes for men who love the smell of napalm in the morning?

    Those guys dab a little Hoppes No. 9 behind their ears.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Achmed E. Newman, @Twinkie

    Are there colognes for men who love the smell of napalm in the morning?

    No, women want to snag a man, and, being more conscious of fragrance than men, they hope that perfume helps.

    Women really have a nose for scents: a woman in the the office said to me: You took a bath using XYZ soap, didn’t you?

    Damn if she wasn’t right.

  54. Are there colognes for men who love the smell of napalm in the morning?

    Belated congrats to Mr. Depp!

    • Replies: @Right_On
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    When the Depp v. Heard 'scandal' broke, Dior ignored demands from feminists that they drop the Johnny Depp ads. Smart move. Sales of Dior Sauvage actually increased.

  55. @PiltdownMan

    NYT: When Did Perfume Stop Being About Sex?
     
    June 23rd, 2022, when the New York Times decided to alter reality, once again. I guess the kind of thinking that went into making the 1619 project has really seized the minds at the NYT, who seem to have decided that they can fix the world simply by declaring change to be underway, regardless of what's actually going on, outside their offices.

    Here are a couple of ads from late 2021, and 2018. I don't see any great change, at least in the visuals, and the overall concept.

    https://youtu.be/3zmraYkan_I

    https://youtu.be/1CRihg1X89A

    Replies: @JoeSee

    I had the same thoughts. Someone out of the blue declares in the New York Times something or other, and all of a sudden the whole of reality is realigned. “Bubble” doesn’t begin to describe it.

  56. I find many of the fashion trends popular among young women today to be dull and unappealing, if not downright off-putting.

    Walking downtown I’ll pass a young slip of a blonde and notice that she has the ferocious dark eyebrows of a middle eastern arms dealer.

    Baggy jeans and gigantic white tennis shoes don’t do it for me either.

    Claw-like fake nails are creepy and unsanitary.

    I understand that youth fashion has always been driven, in part, by a *desire* to alienate older people, so the fact that I, in my mid-thirties, find these trends off-putting is likely “the point, man.”

    Still, I wonder if these women will come to regret not having adopted a more traditionally feminine style, one that flattered their physique rather than obscuring or distorting it, when they were at their most beautiful.

    And I’ve always appreciated perfume, but a little bit can go a long way.

  57. @Harry Baldwin
    Are there colognes for men who love the smell of napalm in the morning?

    Those guys dab a little Hoppes No. 9 behind their ears.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Achmed E. Newman, @Twinkie

    Haha! Then, there’s also the universal cleanser, perfume, and general fluid used for “freshening up”, the beautiful blue-tinted 100ll Avgas.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Achmed E. Newman

    It's the lead that gives it that certain je ne sais quoi. LL may stand for low lead but it's only low in comparison to older Avgas formulas - it's about the same amount of lead as leaded gas in cars used to have before they banned it.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  58. @International Jew
    Back when I was a young whippersnapper and dating, I appreciated a girl putting on perfume for a date in the same way I appreciated her dressing up nice — as a sign of appreciation for me. But if the perfume had any other effect, I'm not aware of it. It was certainly not a first-order effect.

    Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost, @Bert, @Matthew Kelly, @Brutusale, @Jack D, @Jay Fink, @Chrisnonymous

    Sorry, but when I lean in close to kiss the girl, the scent of her perfume goes right to my hindbrain. As does its traces on my pillows put me to sleep with a smile on my face.

  59. @International Jew
    Back when I was a young whippersnapper and dating, I appreciated a girl putting on perfume for a date in the same way I appreciated her dressing up nice — as a sign of appreciation for me. But if the perfume had any other effect, I'm not aware of it. It was certainly not a first-order effect.

    Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost, @Bert, @Matthew Kelly, @Brutusale, @Jack D, @Jay Fink, @Chrisnonymous

    Personally I can’t stand any kind of strong perfume odor. It is almost a panic type, “get me out of here” reaction. If my wife puts on some sort of strongly scented hand cream or hand sanitizer in the car, I go nuts. We use only unscented laundry detergent and soaps. I don’t believe that strong smells are harmful to my health, I just don’t enjoy them (to put it mildly). If a perfume smell has faded to a mild, almost undetectable level I can enjoy it but if it is freshly applied I want to flee the room.

    My father had the same strong aversion. Does anyone else have this? I wonder if there is a genetic component in the way that people experience smells?

    • Agree: AnotherDad, Twinkie
    • Replies: @LP5
    @Jack D

    Jack D says:


    Personally I can’t stand any kind of strong perfume odor. It is almost a panic type, “get me out of here” reaction.
     
    The 1980s, that pivotal decade, included perfume overuse. That was to the point where shopkeepers would put up signs begging the hordes of wearers of, say, Charlie, not to enter due to gag-inducement.

    To show that over-scenting can be asexual, recall the more recent Axe Body Spray clouds. Uber or Lyft drivers probably have similar stories, updated for the modern gogrrrl or goboyyy era.

    Prior eras had Chanel No. 5 or similar more refined less obnoxious scents and behaviors. YMMV

    Replies: @Kratoklastes

    , @Marat
    @Jack D

    Yep. The worst kind of perfume is the overwhelmingly strong old lady stuff, especially in an elevator. White Diamonds (by Liz Taylor) is one of the worst offenders and is an appetite killer in restaurants. I have to leave after the first whiff.

    , @Bernard
    @Jack D


    Personally I can’t stand any kind of strong perfume odor. It is almost a panic type, “get me out of here” reaction.
     
    Jack, I’m on your side, mostly because too much perfume gives me a headache. Though small amounts, placed on the appropriate area, can be quite nice if I like the scent. As a man I rarely use cologne, if I do it’s sparingly.
    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    Agree Jack.

    I don't like pollution--visual, auditory, olfactory.

    As with makeup a fair number of women think they are being "special" and really are just being annoying. ("She should go to the gym instead" was a common thought I and many of my peers would have back in the day.)

    As a young grad student, many of us taught the Engineer Physics labs. (Used at Texas by the engineering school as a screen.) A few of the girls--I guess wanting to be "feminine" while trying to be engineers--over did it. There was one gal, who was a frequent visitor asking for help from an office mate, who really over did it. Very unpleasant.

    Healthy young women tend to smell real nice ... just being healthy young women.

    , @Old Prude
    @Jack D

    A highly developed sense of smell is an indication of a primitive brain.

  60. @Altai
    Another example, when did NFL cheerleading stop being about feminine seduction?

    There are creeping numbers of gay males getting into the relatively small NFL cheerleader squads. The other guys who are technically part of the team but also not who do the stunts are separate. I'm talking about guys who join as part of the normal squad and do nothing different, they do the female dance moves, except they don't get pompoms.

    Recently things went to a new level with the first trans NFL cheerleader for the Carolina Panthers. There were already two gay black guys on the team of just 30.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uNyhReYv_A

    All spaces dominated by women seem to go this way these days. What's unique here is that it involves those same women being displaced from very sought after and limited places.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W3qEBmLW0A

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Alexander Turok, @The Anti-Gnostic, @jejej, @Dave from Oz, @Mike_from_SGV

    WTF is going on with black men?

    “Chris Collins, the founder and chief executive of World of Chris Collins”

    https://chriscollins.com/pages/meet-chris-collins

  61. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Arclight

    I have teenage sons and young men seem to me to be in far better shape (and more masculine) than in the 1970s/80s. My wife thinks this is driving transgenderism. You can’t be a normal kid anymore. If you can’t keep pace with the boys who work out 3 hours a day then maybe you do feel like you must be a girl.

    Replies: @pirelli, @Muggles

    If you can’t keep pace with the boys who work out 3 hours a day then maybe you do feel like you must be a girl.

    Boys and young men, unless they do hard work on a farm or ranch, could never look like a gym rat. In the past. Some are born with more athletic potential than others.

    School jocks did, but that was seasonal and many of them were also quite heavy and/or pretty dumb. They were lauded by their schools as “special” but that usually didn’t help their dating other than to have letter jackets to hand out or to be a “cool kid.”

    An no, it didn’t cause normals to want to become girls.

    Guys who look buff in some respects seem suspiciously gay to most guys, unless they are athletes or do some regular voluntary exercise like biking, running, amateur sports, etc.

    What nearly all males learn pretty quick is that young women do like “alpha males” to some extent but only for a while, usually. These are the pretty jocks. But most of them are boors and only the dumber females stay that entranced.

    Women don’t buy bodybuilder mags nor do they say they like really buff guys for the most part. Yes, fit and healthy and no bad habits, not prone to quick decay or obesity, but that’s about it.

    Gay men are far more into looks than women.

    I think kindness, high earning potential (intelligence, diligence) and basic fitness are major attractors. The dumb blondes and the like who go for the jocks often end up as punching bags for drunks or ex wives of stray tomcats. Of course tastes vary widely.

    I don’t think “trans women” turn that way because they can’t compete with workout nuts. Bruce Jenner certainly could. Many come out after long marriages and had no trouble with women.

    Who do they think would want to date a “trans female” anyway? A normal guy? A normal female?

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Muggles

    There is an interview with Deidre McCloskey where she/he says since the transition they had one date (the partner was not aware and split from the premises one microsecond after the news) and no relationships. This is approximately thirty years of available.

    Now that my friends is an incel.

  62. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Harry Baldwin

    Haha! Then, there's also the universal cleanser, perfume, and general fluid used for "freshening up", the beautiful blue-tinted 100ll Avgas.

    Replies: @Jack D

    It’s the lead that gives it that certain je ne sais quoi. LL may stand for low lead but it’s only low in comparison to older Avgas formulas – it’s about the same amount of lead as leaded gas in cars used to have before they banned it.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jack D


    It’s the lead that gives it that certain je ne sais quoi.
     
    ;-}

    One thing about it is that it doesn't contain all the additives that gunk up parts and that give me headaches whenever I transport 5 G cans of auto gas. Eau d'Aviation. That, and a Piper "Chick Magnet" Apache, and a couple of 100 dollar hamburgers and you are on the Victor route to getting laid.
  63. @Jonathan Mason
    Perfume is mostly about money.

    You can buy perfectly adequate perfumes and the dollar store for a dollar. Maybe they are $1.25 now. That covers the cost of the box, the glass squirty bottle, the scented liquid, the distribution, and some profit for the retailer and manufacturer.

    Obviously the dollar store perfumes are not quite as potent as the more expensive brands, but they get the job done.

    Although the more expensive perfumes probably do contain more expensive ingredients, most of the extra cost just goes on advertising, promotion, and profits.

    A bit similar to alcoholic drinks really, where industrially produced spirits are sold in fancy glass bottles for ridiculous prices, but they don't get you any drunker than the cheap liquor.

    Replies: @Muggles, @anonymous, @R.G. Camara, @Chrisnonymous

    Many women greatly dislike the smell of cheap cologne or what remains after it quickly disappears, immensely.

    It seems to remind them of their awkward first or early dates by very young boys and men.

    Better save up for the good stuff, or at least not your recommended \$1.29 scent. Women don’t usually like cheapskates.

    Better nothing than smelling cheap and dumb.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Muggles

    Muggles, are you female?

    Your last two posts are fairly good advice for youngish men.

    Anyway, my favorite cologne for a man is Tommy Hilfiger. My, oh my, do I love it when my man wears that. Guys, try a little (not a lot, it can get too strong). The perfume counters will hand out free samples at Macy's... at least they used to.

    Replies: @Muggles

  64. Run for Your Lives!

  65. OT – two major conversative Supreme Ct. decisions in one week. There are 5 solid conservatives on the court and Roberts is unable to play the Kennedy “swing vote” role. Read his concurrence in the overruling of Roe – he would not have gone as far as the other 5 and if 5 had been 4 his milquetoast opinion would have been the decision. But there are a solid 5 so his RINO POV is irrelevant.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jack D

    Thanks for the good news, Jack. I think Roberts is more than a RINO. There's no re-election. He's probably been blackmailed, judging by his Obamacare decision.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Bill Jones

    , @Curle
    @Jack D

    Trump stick paying dividends.

    , @Anon
    @Jack D

    Can someone explain how banning abortion is going to benefit me?

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @epebble, @Jack D

    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @Jack D

    Roberts is begging his blackmailers: Hey, I only voted with the majority because it was a 5-4 done deal anyhow, so please pretty please don't release the tapes and photos!!!!! Please?

  66. @Jack D
    @Achmed E. Newman

    It's the lead that gives it that certain je ne sais quoi. LL may stand for low lead but it's only low in comparison to older Avgas formulas - it's about the same amount of lead as leaded gas in cars used to have before they banned it.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    It’s the lead that gives it that certain je ne sais quoi.

    ;-}

    One thing about it is that it doesn’t contain all the additives that gunk up parts and that give me headaches whenever I transport 5 G cans of auto gas. Eau d’Aviation. That, and a Piper “Chick Magnet” Apache, and a couple of 100 dollar hamburgers and you are on the Victor route to getting laid.

  67. Totally OT:

    An actual non-hack military analysis by the UK’s Royal United Service Institute does a good job of explaining why Russia is actually winning on the ground in Ukraine. Namely, Russia has an industrial base that produces eight or ten times as many guns and shells as NATO and the U.S., which have gone all-in on hyper-expensive, super-complex, and low-volume artisanal weapon systems.
    https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/return-industrial-warfare

    The officially approved window of debate among our delusional neo-con foreign policy elite is whether we must humiliate Putin and reconquered all Russian gains — including Crimea — before deigning to consider a negotiated peace. https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/three-possible-futures-for-a-frozen-conflict-in-ukraine/

    Meanwhile, in the non-delusional world of reality Russia has effectively surrounded about 15,000 Ukrainian troops in the Donbass while continuing to destroy their numerically superior, NATO trained and supplied army at an alarming rate. And they haven’t even mobilized their full army.

    • Thanks: ic1000, YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Hypnotoad666

    I agree. I read the piece (via The Duran's piece on it) and noted RUSI doesn't mention the capacity of the Russian Industrial Base to produce the lipsticks that are such an important weapon in the US arsenal.
    The underlying issue is that if NATO continue to push their luck (And Lithuania probably has a no greater than 40% chance of existing in 3 years.) then they'll find themselves so crushed so quickly that the call for nuclear weapons will be heard increasingly loudly.

    , @JimDandy
    @Hypnotoad666

    Oh, you Putin fanboys with your facts.. It's so tiresome. When is the reality-based community going to concede that the Neocons are omniscient and omnipotent Gods who transcend your corporeal bleatings?

    , @ic1000
    @Hypnotoad666

    Also totally OT, also worth reading on this subject:

    US and NATO lack capability to supply a long war.
    As weapons inventories dwindle, there’s little chance the West today can build a surge hardware-making capacity
    By Stephen Bryen, Asia Times. June 24, 2022

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  68. @Altai
    Another example, when did NFL cheerleading stop being about feminine seduction?

    There are creeping numbers of gay males getting into the relatively small NFL cheerleader squads. The other guys who are technically part of the team but also not who do the stunts are separate. I'm talking about guys who join as part of the normal squad and do nothing different, they do the female dance moves, except they don't get pompoms.

    Recently things went to a new level with the first trans NFL cheerleader for the Carolina Panthers. There were already two gay black guys on the team of just 30.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uNyhReYv_A

    All spaces dominated by women seem to go this way these days. What's unique here is that it involves those same women being displaced from very sought after and limited places.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W3qEBmLW0A

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Alexander Turok, @The Anti-Gnostic, @jejej, @Dave from Oz, @Mike_from_SGV

    Couldn’t happen to better people.

    Forcing women to create people because they enjoyed rubbing genitals with a man is retarded.

    Calling an embryo a person is as retarded as saying that a man is a woman.

    And deep down everyone knows this.

    But womenz have been getting uppity as of late so, on the left, they’re sending in the trans and on the right their saying, uh uh! you paired off with a guy because he had what you wanted well now you gonna have to have a B A B Y .

    I love this shit.

    I mean it’s immoral to do to these women (and men) but as a means of standing athwart history and yelling for it to stop it’s a fun thing to watch.

    Ban abortion, destroy womens sports and FOR THE LOVE OF GOD modest dress can’t come fast enough. Cheerleading is demented.

    This business of keeping men hot and bothered and envious and sad all the time hss got to end.

    Mormons do it RIGHT (or did, they’ve been slipping for a while). Pair up. Love. Pet IN CHURCH ON SUNDAY! (you’ve got to see it) but do not enter the pu**y until you’re married.

    It fuckin works.

    Well, better than the world of cheerleader watchers works.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @jejej

    You are mentally ill.

    , @Loyalty Over IQ Worship
    @jejej

    "Pet IN CHURCH ON SUNDAY! "

    Can you elaborate? I don't get it.

    Replies: @jejej

  69. @Jack D
    OT - two major conversative Supreme Ct. decisions in one week. There are 5 solid conservatives on the court and Roberts is unable to play the Kennedy "swing vote" role. Read his concurrence in the overruling of Roe - he would not have gone as far as the other 5 and if 5 had been 4 his milquetoast opinion would have been the decision. But there are a solid 5 so his RINO POV is irrelevant.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Curle, @Anon, @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Thanks for the good news, Jack. I think Roberts is more than a RINO. There’s no re-election. He’s probably been blackmailed, judging by his Obamacare decision.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I hear that Roberts is owned due to some irregularities with the adoption of a kid - Irish?
    To idle to check.

    Replies: @tyrone

    , @Bill Jones
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I did find this.

    https://darkoutpost.com/conspiracies/john-roberts-is-compromised-regular-visitor-to-espsteins-pedo-island/

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  70. For example, when I take my dog to the park, I’m always pointing out dogs that she should play with because they strike me as physically compatible with her: “Hey, that dog looks like another energetic one year old 55 pounder — you’d have fun with him.” But dogs exist in a social universe of body language and, especially, smells that are closed off to owners rather than looks, so my dog might be entranced by am 8-year-old 12 pounder who might not look like much but has got that smell.

    Sounds like the dog is working out. Bet you walk more now. Good for you, sir.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Twinkie


    Bet you walk more now. Good for you, sir.
     
    There was past speculation about what Steve was going to name his dog. At first I suggested “Twinkie” because of the dog’s appearance. But then I thought it might be awkward if Steve was calling his dog while at the dog park:

    “C’mere Twink! No, not you sir; the furry bitch over there. NO, not you either dude— the dog. The DOG!”
     

    Replies: @Dube

  71. LP5 says:
    @Jack D
    @International Jew

    Personally I can't stand any kind of strong perfume odor. It is almost a panic type, "get me out of here" reaction. If my wife puts on some sort of strongly scented hand cream or hand sanitizer in the car, I go nuts. We use only unscented laundry detergent and soaps. I don't believe that strong smells are harmful to my health, I just don't enjoy them (to put it mildly). If a perfume smell has faded to a mild, almost undetectable level I can enjoy it but if it is freshly applied I want to flee the room.

    My father had the same strong aversion. Does anyone else have this? I wonder if there is a genetic component in the way that people experience smells?

    Replies: @LP5, @Marat, @Bernard, @AnotherDad, @Old Prude

    Jack D says:

    Personally I can’t stand any kind of strong perfume odor. It is almost a panic type, “get me out of here” reaction.

    The 1980s, that pivotal decade, included perfume overuse. That was to the point where shopkeepers would put up signs begging the hordes of wearers of, say, Charlie, not to enter due to gag-inducement.

    To show that over-scenting can be asexual, recall the more recent Axe Body Spray clouds. Uber or Lyft drivers probably have similar stories, updated for the modern gogrrrl or goboyyy era.

    Prior eras had Chanel No. 5 or similar more refined less obnoxious scents and behaviors. YMMV

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    @LP5


    Prior eras had Chanel No. 5 or similar more refined less obnoxious scents and behaviors.
     
    In the 80s it was Pino Silvestre - particularly for wogs (Italians and Greeks), who seemed to bathe in the stuff. For white blokes it was Pierre Cardin, which I hated.

    Wogs smelt like a pine car freshener in an ashtray; white blokes smelt like a gay man's underwear drawer.
  72. @Jack D
    OT - two major conversative Supreme Ct. decisions in one week. There are 5 solid conservatives on the court and Roberts is unable to play the Kennedy "swing vote" role. Read his concurrence in the overruling of Roe - he would not have gone as far as the other 5 and if 5 had been 4 his milquetoast opinion would have been the decision. But there are a solid 5 so his RINO POV is irrelevant.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Curle, @Anon, @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Trump stick paying dividends.

  73. @Hypnotoad666
    Totally OT:

    An actual non-hack military analysis by the UK's Royal United Service Institute does a good job of explaining why Russia is actually winning on the ground in Ukraine. Namely, Russia has an industrial base that produces eight or ten times as many guns and shells as NATO and the U.S., which have gone all-in on hyper-expensive, super-complex, and low-volume artisanal weapon systems.
    https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/return-industrial-warfare

    The officially approved window of debate among our delusional neo-con foreign policy elite is whether we must humiliate Putin and reconquered all Russian gains -- including Crimea -- before deigning to consider a negotiated peace. https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/three-possible-futures-for-a-frozen-conflict-in-ukraine/

    Meanwhile, in the non-delusional world of reality Russia has effectively surrounded about 15,000 Ukrainian troops in the Donbass while continuing to destroy their numerically superior, NATO trained and supplied army at an alarming rate. And they haven't even mobilized their full army.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLQPZkwrzKk&t=686s

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @JimDandy, @ic1000

    I agree. I read the piece (via The Duran’s piece on it) and noted RUSI doesn’t mention the capacity of the Russian Industrial Base to produce the lipsticks that are such an important weapon in the US arsenal.
    The underlying issue is that if NATO continue to push their luck (And Lithuania probably has a no greater than 40% chance of existing in 3 years.) then they’ll find themselves so crushed so quickly that the call for nuclear weapons will be heard increasingly loudly.

  74. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jack D

    Thanks for the good news, Jack. I think Roberts is more than a RINO. There's no re-election. He's probably been blackmailed, judging by his Obamacare decision.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Bill Jones

    I hear that Roberts is owned due to some irregularities with the adoption of a kid – Irish?
    To idle to check.

    • Replies: @tyrone
    @Bill Jones


    I hear that Roberts is owned due to some irregularities with the adoption of a kid – Irish?
     
    ..... NO,NO, not Irish ,South American, don't you know South America is chocked full of blond haired blue eyed orphans just begging for a home.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

  75. Perfume was originally produced to compensate for mediaeval people (male and female) only bathing once or twice a year.

    • Replies: @Simon in London
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Medieval urban people bathed frequently, including in public bath houses, until the Church clamped down on bathing as leading to fornication. Renaissance urban people were pretty filthy, leading to perfume I guess.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @YetAnotherAnon

  76. @Hypnotoad666
    Totally OT:

    An actual non-hack military analysis by the UK's Royal United Service Institute does a good job of explaining why Russia is actually winning on the ground in Ukraine. Namely, Russia has an industrial base that produces eight or ten times as many guns and shells as NATO and the U.S., which have gone all-in on hyper-expensive, super-complex, and low-volume artisanal weapon systems.
    https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/return-industrial-warfare

    The officially approved window of debate among our delusional neo-con foreign policy elite is whether we must humiliate Putin and reconquered all Russian gains -- including Crimea -- before deigning to consider a negotiated peace. https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/three-possible-futures-for-a-frozen-conflict-in-ukraine/

    Meanwhile, in the non-delusional world of reality Russia has effectively surrounded about 15,000 Ukrainian troops in the Donbass while continuing to destroy their numerically superior, NATO trained and supplied army at an alarming rate. And they haven't even mobilized their full army.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLQPZkwrzKk&t=686s

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @JimDandy, @ic1000

    Oh, you Putin fanboys with your facts.. It’s so tiresome. When is the reality-based community going to concede that the Neocons are omniscient and omnipotent Gods who transcend your corporeal bleatings?

  77. @Twinkie

    For example, when I take my dog to the park, I’m always pointing out dogs that she should play with because they strike me as physically compatible with her: “Hey, that dog looks like another energetic one year old 55 pounder — you’d have fun with him.” But dogs exist in a social universe of body language and, especially, smells that are closed off to owners rather than looks, so my dog might be entranced by am 8-year-old 12 pounder who might not look like much but has got that smell.
     
    Sounds like the dog is working out. Bet you walk more now. Good for you, sir.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Bet you walk more now. Good for you, sir.

    There was past speculation about what Steve was going to name his dog. At first I suggested “Twinkie” because of the dog’s appearance. But then I thought it might be awkward if Steve was calling his dog while at the dog park:

    “C’mere Twink! No, not you sir; the furry bitch over there. NO, not you either dude— the dog. The DOG!”

    • LOL: Stan Adams, Old Prude
    • Replies: @Dube
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I missed the dog-name advisories, but it's not too late to say that Greenblatt's deli was the place to call from Laurel Canyon for deliveries. It was standard to share the decision to "Call Greenblatt's." So my friends named their cat after the deli, and to call her in from outdoors would open the door and shout, "Greenblatt's! Greenblatt's!"

    A wag of the tail for Steve just before the door is closed.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  78. @Jack D
    @International Jew

    Personally I can't stand any kind of strong perfume odor. It is almost a panic type, "get me out of here" reaction. If my wife puts on some sort of strongly scented hand cream or hand sanitizer in the car, I go nuts. We use only unscented laundry detergent and soaps. I don't believe that strong smells are harmful to my health, I just don't enjoy them (to put it mildly). If a perfume smell has faded to a mild, almost undetectable level I can enjoy it but if it is freshly applied I want to flee the room.

    My father had the same strong aversion. Does anyone else have this? I wonder if there is a genetic component in the way that people experience smells?

    Replies: @LP5, @Marat, @Bernard, @AnotherDad, @Old Prude

    Yep. The worst kind of perfume is the overwhelmingly strong old lady stuff, especially in an elevator. White Diamonds (by Liz Taylor) is one of the worst offenders and is an appetite killer in restaurants. I have to leave after the first whiff.

  79. when I take my dog to the park, I’m always pointing out dogs that she should play with because they strike me as physically compatible with her: “Hey, that dog looks like another energetic one year old 55 pounder — you’d have fun with him.” But dogs exist in a social universe of body language and, especially, smells that are closed off to owners rather than looks, so my dog might be entranced by am 8-year-old 12 pounder who might not look like much but has got that smell.

    This may be the funniest thing I’ve read in years, I suspect unintentionally. Something about a hunched-over Sailer directing his dog to suitable playmates, because of his “noticing,” while his dog blithely ignores him and does its thing based on smells and other canine cues he can’t “notice” is a hilarious mental image. 😀

  80. Some study has shown we pick partners by scent (partially.) Perfume doesn’t fool our lizard brain.

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/sep/08/can-you-smell-perfect-partner

    It is related to our immune system and sniff out mates strong in genres we are weak in to balance out the offsprings’ fitness.

  81. If a married man has been hiding the salami with his mistress, and while driving home to his wife realizes that the smell of the mistress’s perfume is still on him, he should stop for gas and “accidentally” spill some on his hand. When he gets home the smell of the gasoline will drown out any perfume smell and allay the wife’s suspicions. Of course, this will only work once.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @prosa123

    Prosa, you sicko, this one’s for you:

    https://twitter.com/1elbowhair/status/1533871799032860673

  82. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Harlem Nights from World of Chris Collins takes wearers to a speakeasy with notes of musk and rum that evoke cigars, top-shelf liquor and 1920s nightlife.
     
    A musky nightclub in Harlem that smells of cigars and liquor? No thanks.

    “Your gender, your nationality, your sexual orientation — it doesn’t matter,” said Chris Collins, the founder and chief executive of World of Chris Collins. All 12 of the four-year-old brand’s scents are genderless. “There should not be a distinction,” he said.
     
    You'll fit in perfectly, Chris Collins. You can call your next scent 'Davos.'

    I'm just glad they finally wrenched away control of the ladies perfume marketing business from all the cishet bros.

    Replies: @Bill B.

    The scent and smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning. Then the soul-erosion produced by high gambling–a compost of greed and fear and nervous tension–becomes unbearable and the senses awake and revolt from it.

    Bottle it now!

  83. @Jack D
    OT - two major conversative Supreme Ct. decisions in one week. There are 5 solid conservatives on the court and Roberts is unable to play the Kennedy "swing vote" role. Read his concurrence in the overruling of Roe - he would not have gone as far as the other 5 and if 5 had been 4 his milquetoast opinion would have been the decision. But there are a solid 5 so his RINO POV is irrelevant.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Curle, @Anon, @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Can someone explain how banning abortion is going to benefit me?

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Anon

    Abortion has not been banned, despite the lies from the MSM. Rather, abortion laws have been left to the states to decide.

    , @epebble
    @Anon

    Why should everything benefit anyone? A lot of taxes and immigration doesn't benefit you. This decision is an opinion of the majority of justices. It may even hurt a large number of people, but still does not matter. If enough people feel strongly about it, there may be a push for legislation legalizing abortions at federal level. Like the recent gun bill. If enough people feel strongly about it and there is no legislation, then there may be new legislators.

    , @Jack D
    @Anon

    Personally I don't think it does. In fact I think the opposite - given the type of people who usually get abortions, the more the merrier.

    However, this is something that should be decided by the legislature of each state, the way it was decided for 200 years before the Supreme Court invented an imaginary Constitutional right to abortion in the 1970s. So hurry and contact you state reps and tell them that you want your state to have unlimited abortion on demand up to 24 weeks. I would go longer but even Roe did not allow it.

  84. I have after shave lotions. The old razors we used nicked you up pretty good and the alcohol acted as a sealant. My youth was spent around men who used Old Spice, a most distinctive scent. Later, at college age, came the musks, British Leather and better yet, Canoe. If you notice a woman’s scent before anything else, back up a bit, and see the total package.

    • Replies: @additionalMike
    @Buffalo Joe

    British Leather could also be used as lighter fluid in your Ronson, in a pinch. Hai Karate, not so much. It would flavor the cigarette.

    Replies: @LP5

  85. Half the time, I worry that the human race will die out due to dumb fads. And the other half of the time I figure that among the customers of Shut Up and Kiss Me, life find a way.

    Perhaps life is an IQ test; but with multiple local extrema. Fads decrease the TFR of bugmen, and people in the fat part of the bell curve more generally; but not people with enough functioning brain cells to have a sense of irony.

    Drooling idiots — low fertility
    Morons — high fertility
    Midwits — low fertility
    Shut Up and Kiss Me — medium fertility

  86. @prosa123
    If a married man has been hiding the salami with his mistress, and while driving home to his wife realizes that the smell of the mistress's perfume is still on him, he should stop for gas and "accidentally" spill some on his hand. When he gets home the smell of the gasoline will drown out any perfume smell and allay the wife's suspicions. Of course, this will only work once.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Prosa, you sicko, this one’s for you:

  87. O/T but here’s a nice bit of Sailerbait about an African in the UK who tried to traffik a child into Britain so he could harvest his organs for his sick daughter.

    I’m a bit confused about the bit where he tweets that he has been given a copy of the Magna Carta by Lincoln University which is over 800 years old. I assume he means that the original is over 800 years old rather than his copy, but the way Britain is now, anything’s possible.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10948971/London-doctor-turned-Nigerian-organ-harvesting-parents.html?fbclid=IwAR3yO9jF8B1OxqW4GS5KVyx458tL8biqHEIlb5YN7JprUQRCzwqsXgXCvsI

  88. Ukrainians using HIMARS rocket artillery.

    HIMARS apparently as used in Afghanistan.

  89. @Buffalo Joe
    I have after shave lotions. The old razors we used nicked you up pretty good and the alcohol acted as a sealant. My youth was spent around men who used Old Spice, a most distinctive scent. Later, at college age, came the musks, British Leather and better yet, Canoe. If you notice a woman's scent before anything else, back up a bit, and see the total package.

    Replies: @additionalMike

    British Leather could also be used as lighter fluid in your Ronson, in a pinch. Hai Karate, not so much. It would flavor the cigarette.

    • Thanks: Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @LP5
    @additionalMike


    British Leather could also be used as lighter fluid in your Ronson, in a pinch. Hai Karate, not so much. It would flavor the cigarette.

     

    My neighbor was told by the gym teacher to go buy some Hai Karate. He didn't realize that his scent preceded him, which took a lot in junior high school!

    Replies: @Joe Joe

  90. General George Pickett doused himself with perfume for his famous charge. Explain that.

    • Replies: @tyrone
    @Dube


    General George Pickett doused himself with perfume for his famous charge. Explain that.

     

    .......Hey, even as a corpse you gotta represent......of course he lived to be one of Lee's detractors.
  91. anonymous[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    Perfume is mostly about money.

    You can buy perfectly adequate perfumes and the dollar store for a dollar. Maybe they are $1.25 now. That covers the cost of the box, the glass squirty bottle, the scented liquid, the distribution, and some profit for the retailer and manufacturer.

    Obviously the dollar store perfumes are not quite as potent as the more expensive brands, but they get the job done.

    Although the more expensive perfumes probably do contain more expensive ingredients, most of the extra cost just goes on advertising, promotion, and profits.

    A bit similar to alcoholic drinks really, where industrially produced spirits are sold in fancy glass bottles for ridiculous prices, but they don't get you any drunker than the cheap liquor.

    Replies: @Muggles, @anonymous, @R.G. Camara, @Chrisnonymous

    No, women really can tell the difference from the good stuff … plus when they come to your pad they need and want to SEE that name-brand cologne bottle, they will tell their friends about it, seriously

    On a budget tho, you can go to certain discount stores which will have off-runs and remainders of top name-brand fragrances for as little as 40% of the usual price

    Every single man needs two things, name-brand cologne and a \$1000-plus fine watch … with those two, you can pull off having down-market clothing. Europeans do this a lot, dressing down, but with the watch the visual giveaway they are doing ok in life.

    And for a truly ‘masculine’ scent with just a hint of being ‘right wing’, you can try some of the quite good fragrances from the firm founded by Hugo Boss (1885-1948), Nazi party member from 1931-45 and Reich couturier

  92. OT:
    It’s seemingly becoming increasingly less-deplorable in polite circles to engage in frank talk concerning the African population bomb/immigration to the West.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-61795026

  93. @jejej
    @Altai

    Couldn't happen to better people.

    Forcing women to create people because they enjoyed rubbing genitals with a man is retarded.

    Calling an embryo a person is as retarded as saying that a man is a woman.

    And deep down everyone knows this.

    But womenz have been getting uppity as of late so, on the left, they're sending in the trans and on the right their saying, uh uh! you paired off with a guy because he had what you wanted well now you gonna have to have a B A B Y .

    I love this shit.

    I mean it's immoral to do to these women (and men) but as a means of standing athwart history and yelling for it to stop it's a fun thing to watch.

    Ban abortion, destroy womens sports and FOR THE LOVE OF GOD modest dress can't come fast enough. Cheerleading is demented.

    This business of keeping men hot and bothered and envious and sad all the time hss got to end.

    Mormons do it RIGHT (or did, they've been slipping for a while). Pair up. Love. Pet IN CHURCH ON SUNDAY! (you've got to see it) but do not enter the pu**y until you're married.

    It fuckin works.

    Well, better than the world of cheerleader watchers works.

    Replies: @prosa123, @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    You are mentally ill.

  94. @Bill Jones
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I hear that Roberts is owned due to some irregularities with the adoption of a kid - Irish?
    To idle to check.

    Replies: @tyrone

    I hear that Roberts is owned due to some irregularities with the adoption of a kid – Irish?

    ….. NO,NO, not Irish ,South American, don’t you know South America is chocked full of blond haired blue eyed orphans just begging for a home.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @tyrone

    I've never been good at accents.

    Replies: @tyrone

  95. @Anon
    @Jack D

    Can someone explain how banning abortion is going to benefit me?

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @epebble, @Jack D

    Abortion has not been banned, despite the lies from the MSM. Rather, abortion laws have been left to the states to decide.

  96. @Arclight
    Elsewhere I have read that on average, young Americans are having less sex than in the past and although there must be numerous factors I would definitely chalk up the trend towards gender neutrality in fashion and behavior as a contributing factor. Suppressing the natural instincts of men being men and women being women has to tamp down on the libido in social situations.

    An anecdotal example was a wedding for a 20 something couple I attended a few years ago. Both the spouse and I commented on a) how the clothing of most of the young ladies negated whatever attributes they had rather than accentuated it, and b) most of the young men clearly didn't exercise or do anything to enhance their physical appearance either, and also adopted a physical posture that basically said "kick me". In fact the most masculine guys there was a gay couple that I ended up talking to who it turns out both played on a competitive amateur soccer team.

    Anyway, unlike when I was the same age and weddings seemed like a prime opportunity for unattached young people to hook up for the evening, this event had absolutely none of that vibe. A Mormon middle school dance would have had more sexual tension than this.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Peter Akuleyev, @JimDandy, @Jay Fink, @MGB

    I always read about weak feminine men, especially on conservative leaning sites, but rarely see them in real life. If people from say the 50s/60s travelled to the 70s/80s and today and you asked them which men are more masculine they would say today. In fact they would probably be scared at how masculine today’s young men are. They are mostly muscular (induced by steroids in many cases), covered in tatts and often have big bushy beards. Men of the past were natural and normal looking, today they are extremely modified and all the modification is to look more masculine.

    So while the conventional wisdom is men have become more feminine and women have become more masculine my observations is both genders have never been more masculine. We have developed into a very masculine culture, maybe not in spirit but on the surface.

  97. @Dube
    General George Pickett doused himself with perfume for his famous charge. Explain that.

    Replies: @tyrone

    General George Pickett doused himself with perfume for his famous charge. Explain that.

    …….Hey, even as a corpse you gotta represent……of course he lived to be one of Lee’s detractors.

  98. “Gender neutral” and “genderless” have become mainstream concepts, integral to fashion, makeup and fragrance, and no longer on the fringes.

    Back to the fringes in less that two years. This is not how people do it.

  99. @JimDandy
    @Arclight

    most of the young men clearly didn’t exercise or do anything to enhance their physical appearance either, and also adopted a physical posture that basically said “kick me”.

    Nice description of Beta Nation. If you wanted to see them get up on their hind legs and show some passion, you should have shouted, "DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS SUCKS!"

    I believe that at least part of the "less sex" stat has to do with what the Manosphere used to call the 80/20 rule, where supposedly 80% of the women are only interested pursuing relationships with the top 20% of men. There are definitely hypermasculine young men today--in the black community they are committing most of the violent crime in America. But they exist in the white and hispanic communities, too. It may be that the disparity between the alphas and the betas has grown.

    Replies: @SFG, @Simon in London

    What edition?

    • LOL: JimDandy
  100. @International Jew
    Back when I was a young whippersnapper and dating, I appreciated a girl putting on perfume for a date in the same way I appreciated her dressing up nice — as a sign of appreciation for me. But if the perfume had any other effect, I'm not aware of it. It was certainly not a first-order effect.

    Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost, @Bert, @Matthew Kelly, @Brutusale, @Jack D, @Jay Fink, @Chrisnonymous

    The women (specifically the anglo women) here in the Pacific Northwest mostly do not wear perfume, put on makeup or dress nice. They also seem to wear the ugliest glasses they can possibly find . They are very granola to the point of being raw. I am not a native to this area and I find it impossible to be attracted to this ultra plain look. The Hispanic women here (my city is over 50% Latino) take the exact opposite approach. They wear perfume and smell nice, full makeup including sexy lashes and nails, sexy outfits, even the way they wear their purses as fashion accessories is attractive to me.

  101. @Achmed E. Newman
    I know it's been said before, but scents can stay deep in our memories. I remember a girl I knew only about 8 months almost 4o years ago wore lavender perfume, all the time. If someone would open up a bottle right now (but I don't go to malls anymore), I would have memories of her instantly that I haven't thought of in many years.

    So, girls might want to think about using a unique perfume scent and keeping the same one. It could be like your own blue check mark.

    (Sometimes on the internet everyone knows you're a dog.)

    Replies: @Kratoklastes

    I remember a girl I knew only about 8 months almost 4o years ago wore lavender perfume, all the time.

    Ditto for me – it was 37 years ago, we were together for just over 8 months, and the scent was “Anaïs Anaïs” by Cacharel.

    It’s still produced to this day, and I catch a whiff of it about once every six months (always on “women of a certain age” – and they’re always bathed in the fucking stuff… subtlety went out in about 1990).

  102. @Jack D
    OT - two major conversative Supreme Ct. decisions in one week. There are 5 solid conservatives on the court and Roberts is unable to play the Kennedy "swing vote" role. Read his concurrence in the overruling of Roe - he would not have gone as far as the other 5 and if 5 had been 4 his milquetoast opinion would have been the decision. But there are a solid 5 so his RINO POV is irrelevant.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Curle, @Anon, @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Roberts is begging his blackmailers: Hey, I only voted with the majority because it was a 5-4 done deal anyhow, so please pretty please don’t release the tapes and photos!!!!! Please?

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  103. @Jonathan Mason
    Perfume is mostly about money.

    You can buy perfectly adequate perfumes and the dollar store for a dollar. Maybe they are $1.25 now. That covers the cost of the box, the glass squirty bottle, the scented liquid, the distribution, and some profit for the retailer and manufacturer.

    Obviously the dollar store perfumes are not quite as potent as the more expensive brands, but they get the job done.

    Although the more expensive perfumes probably do contain more expensive ingredients, most of the extra cost just goes on advertising, promotion, and profits.

    A bit similar to alcoholic drinks really, where industrially produced spirits are sold in fancy glass bottles for ridiculous prices, but they don't get you any drunker than the cheap liquor.

    Replies: @Muggles, @anonymous, @R.G. Camara, @Chrisnonymous

    Women have a better sense of smell than men. Cheap perfume/cologne causes many of them to fell disgust and get headaches. There really are higher-priced scents that are better, and women’s noses can tell.

    That said, perfume is largely something women did for men’s arousal, and then for other women (as social status). Since women today are taught not to care for men, and uglify themselves on purposes (getting fat/tattoos/multiple partners), only girly-girls wear it, and they are fewer and far between.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @R.G. Camara

    A highly developed sense of smell is an indication of a more primitive mind. "Women have a better sense of smell than men". I rest my case...

  104. @Anon
    @Jack D

    Can someone explain how banning abortion is going to benefit me?

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @epebble, @Jack D

    Why should everything benefit anyone? A lot of taxes and immigration doesn’t benefit you. This decision is an opinion of the majority of justices. It may even hurt a large number of people, but still does not matter. If enough people feel strongly about it, there may be a push for legislation legalizing abortions at federal level. Like the recent gun bill. If enough people feel strongly about it and there is no legislation, then there may be new legislators.

    • Agree: Simon in London
  105. @LP5
    @Jack D

    Jack D says:


    Personally I can’t stand any kind of strong perfume odor. It is almost a panic type, “get me out of here” reaction.
     
    The 1980s, that pivotal decade, included perfume overuse. That was to the point where shopkeepers would put up signs begging the hordes of wearers of, say, Charlie, not to enter due to gag-inducement.

    To show that over-scenting can be asexual, recall the more recent Axe Body Spray clouds. Uber or Lyft drivers probably have similar stories, updated for the modern gogrrrl or goboyyy era.

    Prior eras had Chanel No. 5 or similar more refined less obnoxious scents and behaviors. YMMV

    Replies: @Kratoklastes

    Prior eras had Chanel No. 5 or similar more refined less obnoxious scents and behaviors.

    In the 80s it was Pino Silvestre – particularly for wogs (Italians and Greeks), who seemed to bathe in the stuff. For white blokes it was Pierre Cardin, which I hated.

    Wogs smelt like a pine car freshener in an ashtray; white blokes smelt like a gay man’s underwear drawer.

  106. @possumman
    A little dab of gasoline and gunpowder behind your ear should work for real men

    Replies: @Legba, @Esso

    I like to wear a little Hoppes #9

  107. @Alexander Turok
    @Altai

    I don't like sportsball so find the whole thing rather funny.

    It should be a refutation of the extreme libertarian belief that the "customer is always right" is a law that drives business. Does anyone think the customers want this?

    Replies: @scrivener3

    It should be a refutation of the extreme libertarian belief that the “customer is always right” is a law that drives business. Does anyone think the customers want this?

    The “customer” is the US government. Pleasing purchasers of your product is passé, pleasing the all-powerful permanent leviathan is au courant. An investigation can bankrupt you, a slur or accusation can dry up your financing, an audit can cost you more than your production, a group of positive tests can shut you down, etc.

    • Agree: Simon in London
  108. @Jack D
    @International Jew

    Personally I can't stand any kind of strong perfume odor. It is almost a panic type, "get me out of here" reaction. If my wife puts on some sort of strongly scented hand cream or hand sanitizer in the car, I go nuts. We use only unscented laundry detergent and soaps. I don't believe that strong smells are harmful to my health, I just don't enjoy them (to put it mildly). If a perfume smell has faded to a mild, almost undetectable level I can enjoy it but if it is freshly applied I want to flee the room.

    My father had the same strong aversion. Does anyone else have this? I wonder if there is a genetic component in the way that people experience smells?

    Replies: @LP5, @Marat, @Bernard, @AnotherDad, @Old Prude

    Personally I can’t stand any kind of strong perfume odor. It is almost a panic type, “get me out of here” reaction.

    Jack, I’m on your side, mostly because too much perfume gives me a headache. Though small amounts, placed on the appropriate area, can be quite nice if I like the scent. As a man I rarely use cologne, if I do it’s sparingly.

  109. @Luddite in Chief

    Are there colognes for men who love the smell of napalm in the morning?
     
    Indeed. From the same people who brought you Hai Karate, introducing...Smells Like Victory.

    Replies: @guest007

    Sorry, but I could not resist

  110. @Anon
    Overuse of perfume is as good a marker of crazy as multiple cats.

    Replies: @guest007

    Maybe Steve could write up a column on signs that women are crazy/not marriage material. There has to be columns written about the bridezillas on reality shows.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @guest007

    That's more Jolly Heretic territory...

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=43zciPFbTpc

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h6fwzJCUdv0

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7DXrgG5U6k

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n7-nwJiKXCw

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZMb5eij6dI

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KSPcoRWPZB8

  111. > The top response from a 2015 survey asking Scentbird customers why they wore fragrance was “how it made me feel.” Attracting the opposite sex was No. 6 or 7, Ms. ten Brink said.

    This is like when women claim to wear yoga pants because they’re comfortable, and not because it makes their butt look good and is as revealing an outfit as you can wear and still be considered within social norms.

    What they fail to realize is that evolution has wired women to enjoy looking attractive precisely because it will attract a man. Just as a man enjoys achieving high status in order to attract the ladies. Evolution makes the behavior enjoyable even if they don’t achieve the goal, because it’s a good way to ensure the behavior.

    The fact that people don’t connect these two is not a big deal. But it’s annoying when they aggressively push this lack of comprehension. “You think women wear yoga pants to attract men? Bigot!”

    • Agree: Simon in London
  112. @tyrone
    @Bill Jones


    I hear that Roberts is owned due to some irregularities with the adoption of a kid – Irish?
     
    ..... NO,NO, not Irish ,South American, don't you know South America is chocked full of blond haired blue eyed orphans just begging for a home.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    I’ve never been good at accents.

    • Replies: @tyrone
    @Bill Jones


    I’ve never been good at accents.
     
    .......Chicago thug is all you need to know, Yes , Roberts was blackmailed by Obama to uphold Obama care....the hook was those two kids who were illegally adopted out of Ireland with the help of certain Catholics ......claiming they were South American.....and yes Roberts is a cowardly worm.
  113. MGB says:
    @Arclight
    Elsewhere I have read that on average, young Americans are having less sex than in the past and although there must be numerous factors I would definitely chalk up the trend towards gender neutrality in fashion and behavior as a contributing factor. Suppressing the natural instincts of men being men and women being women has to tamp down on the libido in social situations.

    An anecdotal example was a wedding for a 20 something couple I attended a few years ago. Both the spouse and I commented on a) how the clothing of most of the young ladies negated whatever attributes they had rather than accentuated it, and b) most of the young men clearly didn't exercise or do anything to enhance their physical appearance either, and also adopted a physical posture that basically said "kick me". In fact the most masculine guys there was a gay couple that I ended up talking to who it turns out both played on a competitive amateur soccer team.

    Anyway, unlike when I was the same age and weddings seemed like a prime opportunity for unattached young people to hook up for the evening, this event had absolutely none of that vibe. A Mormon middle school dance would have had more sexual tension than this.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Peter Akuleyev, @JimDandy, @Jay Fink, @MGB

    i’d blame it on the ubiquity of porn, which likely leads to a lot of ‘young Americans’ masturbating, who are then worn out, ashamed, and ultimately disgusted by what they just watched leading to what they just did. not to criticize woody allen’s hobby, but self love is supposed to be for the unlucky at love until they mature, not a replacement for the real thing.

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Simon in London
    @MGB

    I think young men have always masturbated. I don't think it's the masturbation that is damaging, it's what they are masturbating to. I'm not sure this is the main thing hurting men though; I think society/PTB's attacks on male masculinity and female femininity are causing much more harm.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  114. @J.Ross
    OT -- ROE REVERSED -- This means several states with automatic activation laws ban abortion.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/24/roe-v-wade-overturned-by-supreme-court-ending-federal-abortion-rights.html
    Merrick Garland, in an unprecedented move, vindicated all the worst criticism of him from his own Supreme Court bid by penning a denunciation of his effective superiors in the Supreme Court for rejecting a New York law requiring anyone seeking a concealed carry permit to be wealthy and have connections, that is, to persuade a judge that living in New York was somehow dangerous.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Reg Cæsar

    Merrick Garland…vindicated all the worst criticism of him

    Garland is just a partisan hack. He is likely the most despicable member of this despicable administration.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @William Badwhite

    He must be because I'd guess he's the least dumb.

  115. @Jack D
    @International Jew

    Personally I can't stand any kind of strong perfume odor. It is almost a panic type, "get me out of here" reaction. If my wife puts on some sort of strongly scented hand cream or hand sanitizer in the car, I go nuts. We use only unscented laundry detergent and soaps. I don't believe that strong smells are harmful to my health, I just don't enjoy them (to put it mildly). If a perfume smell has faded to a mild, almost undetectable level I can enjoy it but if it is freshly applied I want to flee the room.

    My father had the same strong aversion. Does anyone else have this? I wonder if there is a genetic component in the way that people experience smells?

    Replies: @LP5, @Marat, @Bernard, @AnotherDad, @Old Prude

    Agree Jack.

    I don’t like pollution–visual, auditory, olfactory.

    As with makeup a fair number of women think they are being “special” and really are just being annoying. (“She should go to the gym instead” was a common thought I and many of my peers would have back in the day.)

    As a young grad student, many of us taught the Engineer Physics labs. (Used at Texas by the engineering school as a screen.) A few of the girls–I guess wanting to be “feminine” while trying to be engineers–over did it. There was one gal, who was a frequent visitor asking for help from an office mate, who really over did it. Very unpleasant.

    Healthy young women tend to smell real nice … just being healthy young women.

  116. @Muggles
    @Jonathan Mason

    Many women greatly dislike the smell of cheap cologne or what remains after it quickly disappears, immensely.

    It seems to remind them of their awkward first or early dates by very young boys and men.

    Better save up for the good stuff, or at least not your recommended $1.29 scent. Women don't usually like cheapskates.

    Better nothing than smelling cheap and dumb.

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    Muggles, are you female?

    Your last two posts are fairly good advice for youngish men.

    Anyway, my favorite cologne for a man is Tommy Hilfiger. My, oh my, do I love it when my man wears that. Guys, try a little (not a lot, it can get too strong). The perfume counters will hand out free samples at Macy’s… at least they used to.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @stillCARealist


    Muggles, are you female?
     
    Thanks for asking, but no. (Actually very complimentary.)

    But I do pay attention to women and heed what they say about this kind of thing.

    Curiously, at my gym the only over-perfumed people I notice are females. Not sure what that means...
  117. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Are there colognes for men who love the smell of napalm in the morning?
     
    Belated congrats to Mr. Depp!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oeZ0nFsExs

    Replies: @Right_On

    When the Depp v. Heard ‘scandal’ broke, Dior ignored demands from feminists that they drop the Johnny Depp ads. Smart move. Sales of Dior Sauvage actually increased.

  118. anonymous[585] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    "Swarfega - the Scent Of A Man"

    https://images.honestjohn.co.uk/imagecache/file/crop/620x400/media-kit/2831/20180702_064006.jpg


    " There’s a mild citrus smell to mask the chemicals, but it retains the characteristic Swarfega smell - somewhere between petrol and detergent. "

     

    https://kit.honestjohn.co.uk/reviews/review-swarfega-original-classic-hand-cleaner-275ml/

    "Before Swarfega, mechanics used a variety of harsh home-brewed cleaners such as paraffin (kerosene), sand and petrol. These removed the skin's natural oils, leading to dry, cracked skin and the risk of occupational dermatitis. The effectiveness of Swarfega is due to the hydrophobic ingredients, including medium-chain (C9-C16) alkanes and cycloalkanes; in combination with an emulsifier (Trideceth-5 in current formulations). These are more efficient at solubilizing oil and grease than a detergent alone."
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swarfega


    (What's the US equivalent?)

    Replies: @anonymous

    What’s the US equivalent?


    [MORE]

    Also in orange!

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @anonymous

    There's also Gojo and Fast Orange. Orange scent, orange colored packaging and sometimes actual citrus ingredients (orange oil) seem to be a common theme although the actual quantity of orange oil is nominal. The MSDS for Fast Orange lists D-LIMONENE (the chemical name for orange oil) at between .1% and 1%.

  119. Think the question should be, “When Did Perfume Stop Being About Hiding Unpleasant Body Odors?” because that was the originaal use of perfume.

  120. anon[900] • Disclaimer says:

    Call me old fashioned but I love a man that smells just right. I just cling on and dive right in on his neck and feel up his manliness. Love it when he smells good, grind the clothes right off him 🙂

    But seriously I love wearing perfume too. Everyday, love the smell good, not because of anyone else but because it’s a ritual and I like it.

  121. @Anon
    @Jack D

    Can someone explain how banning abortion is going to benefit me?

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @epebble, @Jack D

    Personally I don’t think it does. In fact I think the opposite – given the type of people who usually get abortions, the more the merrier.

    However, this is something that should be decided by the legislature of each state, the way it was decided for 200 years before the Supreme Court invented an imaginary Constitutional right to abortion in the 1970s. So hurry and contact you state reps and tell them that you want your state to have unlimited abortion on demand up to 24 weeks. I would go longer but even Roe did not allow it.

  122. @Harry Baldwin
    Are there colognes for men who love the smell of napalm in the morning?

    Those guys dab a little Hoppes No. 9 behind their ears.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Achmed E. Newman, @Twinkie

    Hoppes No. 9

    Man, I remember that scent. It had an oddly pleasant (to me) odor, but it was pretty toxic as I recall. Naturally I inhaled a copious amount during gun-cleaning.

    Hoppes these days sells rebranded MPro-7, which is non-toxic (it’s a “high-tech” surfactant) and has no odor.

  123. @anonymous
    @YetAnotherAnon


    What’s the US equivalent?
     
    https://hip2save.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/goop-hand-cleaner-14oz.jpg

    Also in orange!
    https://www.harborfreight.com/media/catalog/product/i/m/image_16711.jpg

    Replies: @Jack D

    There’s also Gojo and Fast Orange. Orange scent, orange colored packaging and sometimes actual citrus ingredients (orange oil) seem to be a common theme although the actual quantity of orange oil is nominal. The MSDS for Fast Orange lists D-LIMONENE (the chemical name for orange oil) at between .1% and 1%.

    • Thanks: Not Raul
  124. @Richard of Melbourne
    Have they made a perfume for transgender mermaids yet?

    Replies: @raga10

    Have they made a perfume for transgender mermaids yet?

    Yes, Fish Guts by Calvin Klein.

    The whole cosmetic industry is one of the biggest cons perpetuated on humanity, with perfumes being perhaps the worst offender of them all. I have to admit that make-up can make substantial and striking difference in how a person looks… but perfume? Meh, I always told my girlfriends I preferred their natural smell to any artificial ones but secretly I always wished they’d just rub some garlic on them 🙂

  125. @additionalMike
    @Buffalo Joe

    British Leather could also be used as lighter fluid in your Ronson, in a pinch. Hai Karate, not so much. It would flavor the cigarette.

    Replies: @LP5

    British Leather could also be used as lighter fluid in your Ronson, in a pinch. Hai Karate, not so much. It would flavor the cigarette.

    My neighbor was told by the gym teacher to go buy some Hai Karate. He didn’t realize that his scent preceded him, which took a lot in junior high school!

    • Replies: @Joe Joe
    @LP5

    I am unpleasantly surprised by the high number of women i've dated who did not smell nice! I would never think of going on a date without showering, putting on deodorant and cologne. I guess some women don't realize that their natural scent is not always pleasant. Especially after a day at work :-(

    Replies: @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar

  126. As a good example of the power of scent, there is a perfume I am around every year or two in a restaurant, a theater, wherever, which immediately brings to mind a girl who wore it and whom I dated about 40 years ago.

  127. Ridley Scott did a sexy and elegant ad for Chanel No. 5:

  128. @William Badwhite
    @J.Ross


    Merrick Garland...vindicated all the worst criticism of him
     
    Garland is just a partisan hack. He is likely the most despicable member of this despicable administration.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    He must be because I’d guess he’s the least dumb.

  129. @LP5
    @additionalMike


    British Leather could also be used as lighter fluid in your Ronson, in a pinch. Hai Karate, not so much. It would flavor the cigarette.

     

    My neighbor was told by the gym teacher to go buy some Hai Karate. He didn't realize that his scent preceded him, which took a lot in junior high school!

    Replies: @Joe Joe

    I am unpleasantly surprised by the high number of women i’ve dated who did not smell nice! I would never think of going on a date without showering, putting on deodorant and cologne. I guess some women don’t realize that their natural scent is not always pleasant. Especially after a day at work 🙁

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Joe Joe

    Certainly BO, which is caused by bacteria, is not pleasant on anyone but if you find a woman to smell unpleasant this is a signal at a deep level that this person is not genetically compatible with you.

    Replies: @Bernard, @Joe Joe

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Joe Joe


    I guess some women don’t realize that their natural scent is not always pleasant. Especially after a day at work 🙁
     
    Perhaps you should date women in other lines of work 😄

    Replies: @Joe Joe

  130. Evidently, Continentals are “attracted to the smell of anus.”

    However, this is related by a couple of Londoners who feel Americans are patient and polite.

  131. @Joe Joe
    @LP5

    I am unpleasantly surprised by the high number of women i've dated who did not smell nice! I would never think of going on a date without showering, putting on deodorant and cologne. I guess some women don't realize that their natural scent is not always pleasant. Especially after a day at work :-(

    Replies: @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar

    Certainly BO, which is caused by bacteria, is not pleasant on anyone but if you find a woman to smell unpleasant this is a signal at a deep level that this person is not genetically compatible with you.

    • Replies: @Bernard
    @Jack D


    Certainly BO, which is caused by bacteria, is not pleasant on anyone but if you find a woman to smell unpleasant this is a signal at a deep level that this person is not genetically compatible with you.
     
    Thankfully my olfactory senses are not on par with the human norm. Someone with body odor is repulsive to me. I have rarely encountered this issue with women, as opposed plenty of foul smelling men. Other than that, any naturally occurring smell from a clean, fully clothed woman I cannot detect.

    Maybe I’m missing something, in that case, my loss.
    , @Joe Joe
    @Jack D

    I'm not talking about extreme BO, just the fact that some women don't realize they should freshen up before a date. how hard is it to carry deodorant in a purse???

  132. @J.Ross
    OT -- ROE REVERSED -- This means several states with automatic activation laws ban abortion.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/24/roe-v-wade-overturned-by-supreme-court-ending-federal-abortion-rights.html
    Merrick Garland, in an unprecedented move, vindicated all the worst criticism of him from his own Supreme Court bid by penning a denunciation of his effective superiors in the Supreme Court for rejecting a New York law requiring anyone seeking a concealed carry permit to be wealthy and have connections, that is, to persuade a judge that living in New York was somehow dangerous.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Reg Cæsar

    OT — ROE REVERSED — This means several states with automatic activation laws ban abortion.

    Not just “automatic activation laws”, but existing laws that have never been rewritten after Roe came down. The statutes just never got enforced thereafter. Wisconsin is in this position, Michigan too I believe, and several other states.

    Considering how split these states are politically, it’s hard to see any change in the applicable laws– in either direction– coming anytime soon. Thus the old rules are back in effect by default.

    “Turn it back to the states”? You mean to the counties and the cities!

  133. Joe Joe, I dated a woman in grad school who seemed to believe her massive rack and her Standard Oil-related trust fund made up for her dodgy axillary hair and her kissing like a profoundly needy Roto-Rooter. She was a literature Ph. D. candidate, and probably the most arrogant and boorish woman on the planet. I dumped her. Good for me.

    I looked her up a decade ago. She’s a professional ex-alcoholic, and has a number of oh-so literary booze-related books to her credit.

    • Replies: @Joe Joe
    @JackOH

    but did she at least smell nice???

    Replies: @JackOH

  134. @Joe Joe
    @LP5

    I am unpleasantly surprised by the high number of women i've dated who did not smell nice! I would never think of going on a date without showering, putting on deodorant and cologne. I guess some women don't realize that their natural scent is not always pleasant. Especially after a day at work :-(

    Replies: @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar

    I guess some women don’t realize that their natural scent is not always pleasant. Especially after a day at work 🙁

    Perhaps you should date women in other lines of work 😄

    • Replies: @Joe Joe
    @Reg Cæsar

    these weren't blue collar workers, just women who apparently didn't realize that they needed to at least freshen up before a date ;-)

  135. @Jack D
    @Joe Joe

    Certainly BO, which is caused by bacteria, is not pleasant on anyone but if you find a woman to smell unpleasant this is a signal at a deep level that this person is not genetically compatible with you.

    Replies: @Bernard, @Joe Joe

    Certainly BO, which is caused by bacteria, is not pleasant on anyone but if you find a woman to smell unpleasant this is a signal at a deep level that this person is not genetically compatible with you.

    Thankfully my olfactory senses are not on par with the human norm. Someone with body odor is repulsive to me. I have rarely encountered this issue with women, as opposed plenty of foul smelling men. Other than that, any naturally occurring smell from a clean, fully clothed woman I cannot detect.

    Maybe I’m missing something, in that case, my loss.

  136. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Twinkie


    Bet you walk more now. Good for you, sir.
     
    There was past speculation about what Steve was going to name his dog. At first I suggested “Twinkie” because of the dog’s appearance. But then I thought it might be awkward if Steve was calling his dog while at the dog park:

    “C’mere Twink! No, not you sir; the furry bitch over there. NO, not you either dude— the dog. The DOG!”
     

    Replies: @Dube

    I missed the dog-name advisories, but it’s not too late to say that Greenblatt’s deli was the place to call from Laurel Canyon for deliveries. It was standard to share the decision to “Call Greenblatt’s.” So my friends named their cat after the deli, and to call her in from outdoors would open the door and shout, “Greenblatt’s! Greenblatt’s!”

    A wag of the tail for Steve just before the door is closed.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Dube


    So my friends named their cat after the deli, and to call her in from outdoors would open the door and shout, “Greenblatt’s! Greenblatt’s!”
     
    The tradition continues anew—‘flathead’ post-Soviets in the Valley:

    “Blyat! Where is pussy tonight?”

  137. Healthy, fertile women smell fine without any help. The purpose of perfume is for these women to leave their mark on a man so that other women know to back off or face wrath. It’s the same as when they leave stuff in your bathroom that men don’t notice but women see immediately.

  138. @jejej
    @Altai

    Couldn't happen to better people.

    Forcing women to create people because they enjoyed rubbing genitals with a man is retarded.

    Calling an embryo a person is as retarded as saying that a man is a woman.

    And deep down everyone knows this.

    But womenz have been getting uppity as of late so, on the left, they're sending in the trans and on the right their saying, uh uh! you paired off with a guy because he had what you wanted well now you gonna have to have a B A B Y .

    I love this shit.

    I mean it's immoral to do to these women (and men) but as a means of standing athwart history and yelling for it to stop it's a fun thing to watch.

    Ban abortion, destroy womens sports and FOR THE LOVE OF GOD modest dress can't come fast enough. Cheerleading is demented.

    This business of keeping men hot and bothered and envious and sad all the time hss got to end.

    Mormons do it RIGHT (or did, they've been slipping for a while). Pair up. Love. Pet IN CHURCH ON SUNDAY! (you've got to see it) but do not enter the pu**y until you're married.

    It fuckin works.

    Well, better than the world of cheerleader watchers works.

    Replies: @prosa123, @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    Pet IN CHURCH ON SUNDAY!

    Can you elaborate? I don’t get it.

    • Replies: @jejej
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    In the smaller Mormon comgregations it was not uncommon to see teens engaged in what might otherwise be called foreplay. Lots of rubbing and nuzzling.

    By removing shame and lies from sexual desire they have been trying to create something as near to guilt-free Edenism as possible.

    Oddly, they may have required the heresy of FLDSism to keep them in place. Once Jeffs was arrested and locked away FLDSism fell and now Mormons have no middle ground between the heresies of celebrating throw-away sex and the heresy of Prophet Controlled sexuality.

    They now have no taut tightrope and are slamming headfirst into the building On The Left.

  139. @Anon
    "Harlem Nights from World of Chris Collins"

    This fragrance is clearly aimed at blacks, which kind of disproves the thesis of the article. With the exception of some jazz fans, most whites wouldn't associate "Harlem Nights" with anything positive. Best case scenario, a white person would describe Harlem as "not as bad as it used to be." "Harlem Nights" describes a time and place where a white person would avoid being out on the street.

    Blacks, on the other hand, probably associate Harlem Nights with Billie Holliday, Louis Armstrong and Langston Hughes. I'm sure there is a movie set in Harlem in the 20s with glamorous black actors in period dress acting cool.

    Replies: @EdwardM, @Sick n' Tired

    “You ain’t kickin’ shit!”

  140. First, dog scents: Imagine that your pet gets loads of data from sniffing another dog or urine on, say, a fire hydrant. Things like age, sex, general state of health and what it had to eat last must be communicated through the scent. Something to watch for is dog shampoo with scents that sexually arouse male dogs. If your spayed female starts attracting unwanted advances, it may be the shampoo. Dump it and remember never to buy it again.

    Second, perfume: No one has mentioned allergies except indirectly with the symptom of headache. For some reason, I can no longer wear some of the stronger, more expensive perfumes because I get an acute headache and stopped up nose shortly after putting it on. I bought some lighter, not-too-cheap stuff a few years back but never opened either one so I don’t know if I’m less allergic. Also, just about everything a woman applies from deodorant to makeup has a scent. If you don’t smell any of it, you just haven’t gotten close enough.

  141. @JimDandy
    @Arclight

    most of the young men clearly didn’t exercise or do anything to enhance their physical appearance either, and also adopted a physical posture that basically said “kick me”.

    Nice description of Beta Nation. If you wanted to see them get up on their hind legs and show some passion, you should have shouted, "DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS SUCKS!"

    I believe that at least part of the "less sex" stat has to do with what the Manosphere used to call the 80/20 rule, where supposedly 80% of the women are only interested pursuing relationships with the top 20% of men. There are definitely hypermasculine young men today--in the black community they are committing most of the violent crime in America. But they exist in the white and hispanic communities, too. It may be that the disparity between the alphas and the betas has grown.

    Replies: @SFG, @Simon in London

    >>If you wanted to see them get up on their hind legs and show some passion, you should have shouted, “DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS SUCKS!”<<

    One of the guys I play D&D with, R, is a hardcore ex-military/prison guard/police (currently Border Control) chap with a lot of Heathen/Odinist tattoos. He likes to show off his photos from when he trained the Special Boat Service (SBS) in non-lethal arrest techniques. There was a funny/worrying moment playing D&D when a mouth-breathing Gamma type J (the sort you're referring to) expressed snide scepticism about this. R is a lovely guy but not someone to be insulting.

    Us older Gen X (40s-50s) D&D players seem to span a range from fairly nerdy like me, normal like my friend M, to very macho like R. The Millennials are noticeably more feminine though – and include a lot more actual women, dandy voice actors, and creatures like J who fit your stereotype. I had to ban J from my game recently, I just didn't enjoy interacting with him and he'd creep on both the female player he's obsessed with, and any NPC female who looks at his PC twice.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Simon in London

    Yeah, we are contemporaries, and I remember the span you speak of when D&D first became a big thing, but by the time I was in high school, "The D&D Club" became synonymous with super-nerds. I thought D&D would be a passing fad. I was wrong.

    , @Bill P
    @Simon in London

    I had a lot of friends who wasted their time on that D&D stuff, never got it myself. Some are still my friends, and they are still nerds. Probably when we are old men I'll still be complaining about how much time they waste playing stupid card games in the basement.

    , @Anonymous
    @Simon in London

    fa/tg/uys

    Replies: @Simon in London

  142. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    Perfume was originally produced to compensate for mediaeval people (male and female) only bathing once or twice a year.

    Replies: @Simon in London

    Medieval urban people bathed frequently, including in public bath houses, until the Church clamped down on bathing as leading to fornication. Renaissance urban people were pretty filthy, leading to perfume I guess.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Simon in London

    I'll take your word for the historical correction. Thanks.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Simon in London

    "Renaissance urban people were pretty filthy"

    IIRC it was the French Ambassador who reported that Queen Elizabeth I took a bath once a year "whether she needed to or not".

  143. @Jonathan Mason
    Perfume is mostly about money.

    You can buy perfectly adequate perfumes and the dollar store for a dollar. Maybe they are $1.25 now. That covers the cost of the box, the glass squirty bottle, the scented liquid, the distribution, and some profit for the retailer and manufacturer.

    Obviously the dollar store perfumes are not quite as potent as the more expensive brands, but they get the job done.

    Although the more expensive perfumes probably do contain more expensive ingredients, most of the extra cost just goes on advertising, promotion, and profits.

    A bit similar to alcoholic drinks really, where industrially produced spirits are sold in fancy glass bottles for ridiculous prices, but they don't get you any drunker than the cheap liquor.

    Replies: @Muggles, @anonymous, @R.G. Camara, @Chrisnonymous

    You can buy perfectly adequate perfumes and the dollar store for a dollar. Maybe they are \$1.25 now.

    LOL.

    I can’t believe we’re over a hundred comments in and nobody has linked to “Jack the Perfume Nationalist”…

    https://theperfumenationalist.libsyn.com/

  144. @International Jew
    Back when I was a young whippersnapper and dating, I appreciated a girl putting on perfume for a date in the same way I appreciated her dressing up nice — as a sign of appreciation for me. But if the perfume had any other effect, I'm not aware of it. It was certainly not a first-order effect.

    Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost, @Bert, @Matthew Kelly, @Brutusale, @Jack D, @Jay Fink, @Chrisnonymous

    My own experience is that perfumes are enhancing if used correctly but otherwise annoying. On a few occasions I have met older women who dressed very well and wore subtle scents that complemented their overall appearance. In these cases, the cloud of odor surrounding them combined with their appearance made you feel you were entering some refined space when you got close to them.

    I have also, on many occasions, been assaulted by the smell of designer perfumes worn by women in inappropriate circumstances such as classrooms or offices. In this case, the perfume does nothing to improve the experience and the extra sensory impact is just annoying.

  145. @MGB
    @Arclight

    i'd blame it on the ubiquity of porn, which likely leads to a lot of 'young Americans' masturbating, who are then worn out, ashamed, and ultimately disgusted by what they just watched leading to what they just did. not to criticize woody allen's hobby, but self love is supposed to be for the unlucky at love until they mature, not a replacement for the real thing.

    Replies: @Simon in London

    I think young men have always masturbated. I don’t think it’s the masturbation that is damaging, it’s what they are masturbating to. I’m not sure this is the main thing hurting men though; I think society/PTB’s attacks on male masculinity and female femininity are causing much more harm.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Simon in London

    Hey, Simon. What are your thoughts on this? See below link. You don't need to read the whole thread, but you might be interested in skimming through it.

    https://www.rooshvforum.com/threads/collapse-in-british-nightclubs.24169/

  146. As per usual, my view from Japan…

    When I lived in the USA, I went to great lengths to try to find deodorants that had faint scents. I always wondered why people wanted highly scented deodorants and assumed it musr not be possible to produce scentless ones.

    On arriving in Japan, I discovered that one of the most widespread and cheapest deodorant brands ‘ 3 basic scents were flowers, soap, and fragrance-free!!

    A lot of foreigners in Japan complain that these scent-free deodorants don’t work, but this hasn’t been my experience at all. I use far less deodorant now than I ever did in the USA and have much less body odor. Similarly, most Japanese people don’t exude smells (although younger people are starting to use body sprays and scented deodorants more under the influence of advertising).

    My take is that Americans over-use of strongly scented products from laundry detergents to shampoos to deodorants to perfumes is related to their intake of low-quality foods and its resultant impact on their body odors from being overweight and literally full of chemicals.

    • Replies: @Unintended Consequence
    @Chrisnonymous

    I know a Chris who had a fling with a woman 10 years older than him. She ended the relationship without much explanation which is probably why, 25 years later, he's still not over it. I asked him if she was a stunner like Cher, Demi Moore or Raquel Welch. He said that she was actually quite ordinary, neither a good conversationalist nor a great lover. Then he got this faraway look in his eyes. Daydreaming about her, I guess. I've always wondered if it was the lack of closure that left him pining for some short, dumpy might-as-well-have-already-been middle-aged woman. One of those loving the absent ghost scenarios? Mommy issues?

    Anyway I told him to embrace the-lion-within and go drill some acceptably attractive woman closer to his age. I haven't seen him since so don't know if he took my advice or is now some bitter incel blaming it all on a now middleaged woman who slathers on firming cream before going to bed each night.

    , @AceDeuce
    @Chrisnonymous


    most Japanese people don’t exude smells
     
    Something to do with the apocrine glands--asian piefaces are all like that. Koreans, of course, queer the deal by eating all that kimchee, Getting on a crowded elevator in Seoul is quite the experience--a lot like dotheads and curry smell.

    Japs think that Westerners smell funny due to heavy meat, and especially dairy consumption. Japs used to eat far less of the former, and essentially none of the latter. That's changed in the past 50 years, but still a big difference.

    In fact, the phrase "bata-kusai" ("stinking of butter") is frequently used to describe Westerners. And not just as a literal term but as an expression/figure of speech for Western ideas or conduct that they find wrong/ridiculous/offensive.
  147. @Simon in London
    @MGB

    I think young men have always masturbated. I don't think it's the masturbation that is damaging, it's what they are masturbating to. I'm not sure this is the main thing hurting men though; I think society/PTB's attacks on male masculinity and female femininity are causing much more harm.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Hey, Simon. What are your thoughts on this? See below link. You don’t need to read the whole thread, but you might be interested in skimming through it.

    https://www.rooshvforum.com/threads/collapse-in-british-nightclubs.24169/

  148. @guest007
    What percentage of people still wear perfume/cologne? Considering how many people look down on someone who sticks up the office/gym/restaurant, more people do not wear scents anymore.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    I put on cologne prior to going to work. It makes me smell clean.

    Mrs Prude has a wonderful natural odor, but a little Joop or Lulu turbocharges her appeal.

    Since when did traditional sex roles become “outdated”?

  149. @Jack D
    @International Jew

    Personally I can't stand any kind of strong perfume odor. It is almost a panic type, "get me out of here" reaction. If my wife puts on some sort of strongly scented hand cream or hand sanitizer in the car, I go nuts. We use only unscented laundry detergent and soaps. I don't believe that strong smells are harmful to my health, I just don't enjoy them (to put it mildly). If a perfume smell has faded to a mild, almost undetectable level I can enjoy it but if it is freshly applied I want to flee the room.

    My father had the same strong aversion. Does anyone else have this? I wonder if there is a genetic component in the way that people experience smells?

    Replies: @LP5, @Marat, @Bernard, @AnotherDad, @Old Prude

    A highly developed sense of smell is an indication of a primitive brain.

  150. @R.G. Camara
    @Jonathan Mason

    Women have a better sense of smell than men. Cheap perfume/cologne causes many of them to fell disgust and get headaches. There really are higher-priced scents that are better, and women's noses can tell.

    That said, perfume is largely something women did for men's arousal, and then for other women (as social status). Since women today are taught not to care for men, and uglify themselves on purposes (getting fat/tattoos/multiple partners), only girly-girls wear it, and they are fewer and far between.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    A highly developed sense of smell is an indication of a more primitive mind. “Women have a better sense of smell than men”. I rest my case…

  151. @Simon in London
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Medieval urban people bathed frequently, including in public bath houses, until the Church clamped down on bathing as leading to fornication. Renaissance urban people were pretty filthy, leading to perfume I guess.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @YetAnotherAnon

    I’ll take your word for the historical correction. Thanks.

  152. @Altai
    Another example, when did NFL cheerleading stop being about feminine seduction?

    There are creeping numbers of gay males getting into the relatively small NFL cheerleader squads. The other guys who are technically part of the team but also not who do the stunts are separate. I'm talking about guys who join as part of the normal squad and do nothing different, they do the female dance moves, except they don't get pompoms.

    Recently things went to a new level with the first trans NFL cheerleader for the Carolina Panthers. There were already two gay black guys on the team of just 30.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uNyhReYv_A

    All spaces dominated by women seem to go this way these days. What's unique here is that it involves those same women being displaced from very sought after and limited places.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W3qEBmLW0A

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Alexander Turok, @The Anti-Gnostic, @jejej, @Dave from Oz, @Mike_from_SGV

    Football used to have male cheerleaders back in the day when their job was actually leading a cheer. You know: “Gimme a T!”/”T!” kinda cheer. George Bush was one.

  153. When Did Perfume Stop Being About Sex?

    Maybe it was when Johnny Depp became the face of Dior’s Sauvage.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @The Alarmist

    "When Did Perfume Stop Being About Sex?

    Maybe it was when Johnny Depp became the face of Dior’s Sauvage."

    Lol! Are you effing kidding me? That is pure s-e-x. Whatever "it" is, Depp has it in spades. I've rarely seen any show, movie or commercial that's sexually graphic that doesn't bore or amuse me. They just don't capture how much fun sex really is.

    This does. I'd do him in front of a Sunday school. Love this guy. Always have, from back when he was a talented kid with soulful eyes and bone structure Garbo might have envied.

    Smartest move Dior ever made. Don't believe me? Check out the comments.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Old Prude

    , @anonymous
    @The Alarmist

    What's wrong with Depp? He looks good. I don't care for the name, too close to sausage. I prefer something closer to garlic. like Garleek. :)

    Replies: @Kylie, @Nicholas Stix

  154. @Anon
    "Harlem Nights from World of Chris Collins"

    This fragrance is clearly aimed at blacks, which kind of disproves the thesis of the article. With the exception of some jazz fans, most whites wouldn't associate "Harlem Nights" with anything positive. Best case scenario, a white person would describe Harlem as "not as bad as it used to be." "Harlem Nights" describes a time and place where a white person would avoid being out on the street.

    Blacks, on the other hand, probably associate Harlem Nights with Billie Holliday, Louis Armstrong and Langston Hughes. I'm sure there is a movie set in Harlem in the 20s with glamorous black actors in period dress acting cool.

    Replies: @EdwardM, @Sick n' Tired

    There’s literally a movie called “Harlem Nights” starring Eddie Murphy & Richard Pryor, but it takes place in the 30s.

    https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0097481/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_3

  155. @Bill Jones
    @tyrone

    I've never been good at accents.

    Replies: @tyrone

    I’ve never been good at accents.

    …….Chicago thug is all you need to know, Yes , Roberts was blackmailed by Obama to uphold Obama care….the hook was those two kids who were illegally adopted out of Ireland with the help of certain Catholics ……claiming they were South American…..and yes Roberts is a cowardly worm.

  156. @Peter Akuleyev
    No, women want to snag a man

    A lot of women (who may be happy with the men they already snagged or truly don’t want a man at that moment) want to signal to other women that they could snag a man if they felt like it. Women may not be consciously aware that’s what they’re doing, and so deny it’s about sex. Well, they are kind of right - really it’s status signaling.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    My experience has been that it is the other way around: women generally want a man who could cheat on them with any number of other women, but of course, wouldn’t.

  157. Perfume is about sex rather than just allurement? News to me.

    YMMV on the dolling up, guys. I’m more of the “ambush nebulavixen while she’s sweaty and tousled and working with me in the yard” type.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @nebulafox

    Then you might end up with a nebulaskulk.

  158. @Simon in London
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Medieval urban people bathed frequently, including in public bath houses, until the Church clamped down on bathing as leading to fornication. Renaissance urban people were pretty filthy, leading to perfume I guess.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @YetAnotherAnon

    “Renaissance urban people were pretty filthy”

    IIRC it was the French Ambassador who reported that Queen Elizabeth I took a bath once a year “whether she needed to or not”.

  159. @The Alarmist

    When Did Perfume Stop Being About Sex?
     
    Maybe it was when Johnny Depp became the face of Dior’s Sauvage.


    https://www.theperfumegirl.com/perfumes/fragrances/dior/dior-sauvage/images/dior-sauvage-johnny-depp-lg.jpg

    Replies: @Kylie, @anonymous

    “When Did Perfume Stop Being About Sex?

    Maybe it was when Johnny Depp became the face of Dior’s Sauvage.”

    Lol! Are you effing kidding me? That is pure s-e-x. Whatever “it” is, Depp has it in spades. I’ve rarely seen any show, movie or commercial that’s sexually graphic that doesn’t bore or amuse me. They just don’t capture how much fun sex really is.

    This does. I’d do him in front of a Sunday school. Love this guy. Always have, from back when he was a talented kid with soulful eyes and bone structure Garbo might have envied.

    Smartest move Dior ever made. Don’t believe me? Check out the comments.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Kylie

    Touché 😆✌️


    I’d do him in front of a Sunday school.
     
    TMI

    Replies: @Kylie

    , @Old Prude
    @Kylie

    My oldest sister told me she thinks Depp is so sexy she finds it hard to look at him.

  160. anonymous[353] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Alarmist

    When Did Perfume Stop Being About Sex?
     
    Maybe it was when Johnny Depp became the face of Dior’s Sauvage.


    https://www.theperfumegirl.com/perfumes/fragrances/dior/dior-sauvage/images/dior-sauvage-johnny-depp-lg.jpg

    Replies: @Kylie, @anonymous

    What’s wrong with Depp? He looks good. I don’t care for the name, too close to sausage. I prefer something closer to garlic. like Garleek. 🙂

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @anonymous

    'What’s wrong with Depp? He looks good."

    He does indeed. Good enough to eat.

    "I don’t care for the name, too close to sausage. I prefer something closer to garlic. like Garleek"

    Lol! Garlic is one of my favorite flavors but I like the name "Sauvage". Maybe you're not thinking of the way it's pronounced.

    , @Nicholas Stix
    @anonymous

    "Depp" is German for idiot.

  161. @Simon in London
    @JimDandy

    >>If you wanted to see them get up on their hind legs and show some passion, you should have shouted, “DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS SUCKS!”<<

    One of the guys I play D&D with, R, is a hardcore ex-military/prison guard/police (currently Border Control) chap with a lot of Heathen/Odinist tattoos. He likes to show off his photos from when he trained the Special Boat Service (SBS) in non-lethal arrest techniques. There was a funny/worrying moment playing D&D when a mouth-breathing Gamma type J (the sort you're referring to) expressed snide scepticism about this. R is a lovely guy but not someone to be insulting.

    Us older Gen X (40s-50s) D&D players seem to span a range from fairly nerdy like me, normal like my friend M, to very macho like R. The Millennials are noticeably more feminine though - and include a lot more actual women, dandy voice actors, and creatures like J who fit your stereotype. I had to ban J from my game recently, I just didn't enjoy interacting with him and he'd creep on both the female player he's obsessed with, and any NPC female who looks at his PC twice.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Bill P, @Anonymous

    Yeah, we are contemporaries, and I remember the span you speak of when D&D first became a big thing, but by the time I was in high school, “The D&D Club” became synonymous with super-nerds. I thought D&D would be a passing fad. I was wrong.

  162. @Hypnotoad666
    Totally OT:

    An actual non-hack military analysis by the UK's Royal United Service Institute does a good job of explaining why Russia is actually winning on the ground in Ukraine. Namely, Russia has an industrial base that produces eight or ten times as many guns and shells as NATO and the U.S., which have gone all-in on hyper-expensive, super-complex, and low-volume artisanal weapon systems.
    https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/return-industrial-warfare

    The officially approved window of debate among our delusional neo-con foreign policy elite is whether we must humiliate Putin and reconquered all Russian gains -- including Crimea -- before deigning to consider a negotiated peace. https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/three-possible-futures-for-a-frozen-conflict-in-ukraine/

    Meanwhile, in the non-delusional world of reality Russia has effectively surrounded about 15,000 Ukrainian troops in the Donbass while continuing to destroy their numerically superior, NATO trained and supplied army at an alarming rate. And they haven't even mobilized their full army.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLQPZkwrzKk&t=686s

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @JimDandy, @ic1000

    Also totally OT, also worth reading on this subject:

    US and NATO lack capability to supply a long war.
    As weapons inventories dwindle, there’s little chance the West today can build a surge hardware-making capacity
    By Stephen Bryen, Asia Times. June 24, 2022

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @ic1000

    The Royal United Services Institute is like the house organ of the Brit military establishment.

    Remember two months back how Russia was going to run out of ammunition in two weeks?

    https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/return-industrial-warfare


    "The winner in a prolonged war between two near-peer powers is still based on which side has the strongest industrial base. A country must either have the manufacturing capacity to build massive quantities of ammunition or have other manufacturing industries that can be rapidly converted to ammunition production. Unfortunately, the West no longer seems to have either.

    . In April, ODK Saturn, which makes Kalibr missile motors, announced an additional 500 job openings.
    .....

    The war in Ukraine demonstrates that war between peer or near-peer adversaries demands the existence of a technically advanced, mass scale, industrial-age production capability. The Russian onslaught consumes ammunition at rates that massively exceed US forecasts and ammunition production. For the US to act as the arsenal of democracy in defence of Ukraine, there must be a major look at the manner and the scale at which the US organises its industrial base. This situation is especially critical because behind the Russian invasion stands the world’s manufacturing capital – China. As the US begins to expend more and more of its stockpiles to keep Ukraine in the war, China has yet to provide any meaningful military assistance to Russia. The West must assume that China will not allow Russia to be defeated, especially due to a lack of ammunition. If competition between autocracies and democracies has really entered a military phase, then the arsenal of democracy must first radically improve its approach to the production of materiel in wartime."
     

    Well maybe they shouldn't have moved all their manufacturing offshore for cheap profits and compliant workers. "Sarves 'un damn well roight, oi say!"
  163. @Simon in London
    My lovely girlfriend is from Siberia (really!) and her sexy perfume only enhances her sex appeal! #oldschool

    Replies: @Unintended Consequence

    Er, weren’t you married with children a few years ago having some trouble with the kids’ schooling? Or was that a different Simon?

    • Replies: @Simon in London
    @Unintended Consequence

    That sounds like the same Simon in London! Just one child, though.

    I separated in 2015, now divorced with equal child custody (after a lot of money & effort), and am on second post marriage relationship, she's brilliant but we only met in early May so early days yet. My gf is mostly east-Asian by genes, mostly Russian by culture, which makes for an interesting combo. Compared to my previous European partners she is incredibly slim & very attractive, with a great personality, I often get feelings like "Finally! So THIS is what it's supposed to be like!" >:)

    Replies: @Simon in London

  164. @Chrisnonymous
    As per usual, my view from Japan...

    When I lived in the USA, I went to great lengths to try to find deodorants that had faint scents. I always wondered why people wanted highly scented deodorants and assumed it musr not be possible to produce scentless ones.

    On arriving in Japan, I discovered that one of the most widespread and cheapest deodorant brands ' 3 basic scents were flowers, soap, and fragrance-free!!

    A lot of foreigners in Japan complain that these scent-free deodorants don't work, but this hasn't been my experience at all. I use far less deodorant now than I ever did in the USA and have much less body odor. Similarly, most Japanese people don't exude smells (although younger people are starting to use body sprays and scented deodorants more under the influence of advertising).

    My take is that Americans over-use of strongly scented products from laundry detergents to shampoos to deodorants to perfumes is related to their intake of low-quality foods and its resultant impact on their body odors from being overweight and literally full of chemicals.

    Replies: @Unintended Consequence, @AceDeuce

    I know a Chris who had a fling with a woman 10 years older than him. She ended the relationship without much explanation which is probably why, 25 years later, he’s still not over it. I asked him if she was a stunner like Cher, Demi Moore or Raquel Welch. He said that she was actually quite ordinary, neither a good conversationalist nor a great lover. Then he got this faraway look in his eyes. Daydreaming about her, I guess. I’ve always wondered if it was the lack of closure that left him pining for some short, dumpy might-as-well-have-already-been middle-aged woman. One of those loving the absent ghost scenarios? Mommy issues?

    Anyway I told him to embrace the-lion-within and go drill some acceptably attractive woman closer to his age. I haven’t seen him since so don’t know if he took my advice or is now some bitter incel blaming it all on a now middleaged woman who slathers on firming cream before going to bed each night.

  165. @stillCARealist
    @Muggles

    Muggles, are you female?

    Your last two posts are fairly good advice for youngish men.

    Anyway, my favorite cologne for a man is Tommy Hilfiger. My, oh my, do I love it when my man wears that. Guys, try a little (not a lot, it can get too strong). The perfume counters will hand out free samples at Macy's... at least they used to.

    Replies: @Muggles

    Muggles, are you female?

    Thanks for asking, but no. (Actually very complimentary.)

    But I do pay attention to women and heed what they say about this kind of thing.

    Curiously, at my gym the only over-perfumed people I notice are females. Not sure what that means…

  166. @Kylie
    @The Alarmist

    "When Did Perfume Stop Being About Sex?

    Maybe it was when Johnny Depp became the face of Dior’s Sauvage."

    Lol! Are you effing kidding me? That is pure s-e-x. Whatever "it" is, Depp has it in spades. I've rarely seen any show, movie or commercial that's sexually graphic that doesn't bore or amuse me. They just don't capture how much fun sex really is.

    This does. I'd do him in front of a Sunday school. Love this guy. Always have, from back when he was a talented kid with soulful eyes and bone structure Garbo might have envied.

    Smartest move Dior ever made. Don't believe me? Check out the comments.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Old Prude

    Touché 😆✌️

    I’d do him in front of a Sunday school.

    TMI

    • LOL: Kylie
    • Replies: @Kylie
    @The Alarmist

    "TMI."

    Lol! If that ultra-sexy commercial didn't clue you in, then I figured maybe you needed it explained to you in a way you could understand.

    Seems I was right. 😀

  167. @possumman
    A little dab of gasoline and gunpowder behind your ear should work for real men

    Replies: @Legba, @Esso

    Better make sure it’s the fastest pistol powder. They put bisfenol-A in gunpowders as a binder and retardant. Yes, your guns are making you gay.

    I’d substitute cognac, thyme and a little bit of fish sauce for the gasoline.

  168. @ic1000
    @Hypnotoad666

    Also totally OT, also worth reading on this subject:

    US and NATO lack capability to supply a long war.
    As weapons inventories dwindle, there’s little chance the West today can build a surge hardware-making capacity
    By Stephen Bryen, Asia Times. June 24, 2022

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    The Royal United Services Institute is like the house organ of the Brit military establishment.

    Remember two months back how Russia was going to run out of ammunition in two weeks?

    https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/return-industrial-warfare

    “The winner in a prolonged war between two near-peer powers is still based on which side has the strongest industrial base. A country must either have the manufacturing capacity to build massive quantities of ammunition or have other manufacturing industries that can be rapidly converted to ammunition production. Unfortunately, the West no longer seems to have either.

    . In April, ODK Saturn, which makes Kalibr missile motors, announced an additional 500 job openings.
    …..

    The war in Ukraine demonstrates that war between peer or near-peer adversaries demands the existence of a technically advanced, mass scale, industrial-age production capability. The Russian onslaught consumes ammunition at rates that massively exceed US forecasts and ammunition production. For the US to act as the arsenal of democracy in defence of Ukraine, there must be a major look at the manner and the scale at which the US organises its industrial base. This situation is especially critical because behind the Russian invasion stands the world’s manufacturing capital – China. As the US begins to expend more and more of its stockpiles to keep Ukraine in the war, China has yet to provide any meaningful military assistance to Russia. The West must assume that China will not allow Russia to be defeated, especially due to a lack of ammunition. If competition between autocracies and democracies has really entered a military phase, then the arsenal of democracy must first radically improve its approach to the production of materiel in wartime.”

    Well maybe they shouldn’t have moved all their manufacturing offshore for cheap profits and compliant workers. “Sarves ‘un damn well roight, oi say!”

  169. @nebulafox
    Perfume is about sex rather than just allurement? News to me.

    YMMV on the dolling up, guys. I'm more of the "ambush nebulavixen while she's sweaty and tousled and working with me in the yard" type.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    Then you might end up with a nebulaskulk.

    • LOL: nebulafox
  170. @guest007
    @Anon

    Maybe Steve could write up a column on signs that women are crazy/not marriage material. There has to be columns written about the bridezillas on reality shows.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    That’s more Jolly Heretic territory…

  171. Anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:

    I never really got into or understood fragrances until recently. Now I understand that the point of them is to enhance sexual attraction for males, maybe it makes sense. Apparently there is a “frag head” community, which I never knew about.

    I just used antiperspirant the whole time. I didn’t need to apply fragrance to attract women though. But it’s interesting that this stuff exists. If I was single I would incorporate little tricks like that into the arsenal, along with taller shoes to get into the optimal height zone. Being physically fit is a massive attractant, and makes you feel better also. I wonder how things would have went if I used fragrances as well back in the day. It seems like something that only works if you are already kind of good at it – at least able to get close enough for a woman to smell you.

    What are the best/worst parts about being a "frag head"? from fragrance

    Search MPMD fragrance on youtube, lots of videos on this topic.

  172. @anonymous
    @The Alarmist

    What's wrong with Depp? He looks good. I don't care for the name, too close to sausage. I prefer something closer to garlic. like Garleek. :)

    Replies: @Kylie, @Nicholas Stix

    ‘What’s wrong with Depp? He looks good.”

    He does indeed. Good enough to eat.

    “I don’t care for the name, too close to sausage. I prefer something closer to garlic. like Garleek”

    Lol! Garlic is one of my favorite flavors but I like the name “Sauvage”. Maybe you’re not thinking of the way it’s pronounced.

  173. @Dube
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I missed the dog-name advisories, but it's not too late to say that Greenblatt's deli was the place to call from Laurel Canyon for deliveries. It was standard to share the decision to "Call Greenblatt's." So my friends named their cat after the deli, and to call her in from outdoors would open the door and shout, "Greenblatt's! Greenblatt's!"

    A wag of the tail for Steve just before the door is closed.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    So my friends named their cat after the deli, and to call her in from outdoors would open the door and shout, “Greenblatt’s! Greenblatt’s!”

    The tradition continues anew—‘flathead’ post-Soviets in the Valley:

    “Blyat! Where is pussy tonight?”

  174. Graphics don’t convey the olfactory, but the movie Gettysburg had Longstreet nosing the air with the arrival of Pickett. Whatever so, Pickett’s history included real valors, such as taking the flag from a wounded man and carrying it to the top.

  175. @Reg Cæsar
    @Joe Joe


    I guess some women don’t realize that their natural scent is not always pleasant. Especially after a day at work 🙁
     
    Perhaps you should date women in other lines of work 😄

    Replies: @Joe Joe

    these weren’t blue collar workers, just women who apparently didn’t realize that they needed to at least freshen up before a date 😉

    • LOL: Simon in London
  176. @JackOH
    Joe Joe, I dated a woman in grad school who seemed to believe her massive rack and her Standard Oil-related trust fund made up for her dodgy axillary hair and her kissing like a profoundly needy Roto-Rooter. She was a literature Ph. D. candidate, and probably the most arrogant and boorish woman on the planet. I dumped her. Good for me.

    I looked her up a decade ago. She's a professional ex-alcoholic, and has a number of oh-so literary booze-related books to her credit.

    Replies: @Joe Joe

    but did she at least smell nice???

    • Replies: @JackOH
    @Joe Joe

    Yes, bathed, healthy young woman smell.

    That armpit hair, and the I'm-so-entitled personality---whew.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  177. @Jack D
    @Joe Joe

    Certainly BO, which is caused by bacteria, is not pleasant on anyone but if you find a woman to smell unpleasant this is a signal at a deep level that this person is not genetically compatible with you.

    Replies: @Bernard, @Joe Joe

    I’m not talking about extreme BO, just the fact that some women don’t realize they should freshen up before a date. how hard is it to carry deodorant in a purse???

  178. @The Alarmist
    @Kylie

    Touché 😆✌️


    I’d do him in front of a Sunday school.
     
    TMI

    Replies: @Kylie

    “TMI.”

    Lol! If that ultra-sexy commercial didn’t clue you in, then I figured maybe you needed it explained to you in a way you could understand.

    Seems I was right. 😀

    • LOL: ic1000
  179. @Joe Joe
    @JackOH

    but did she at least smell nice???

    Replies: @JackOH

    Yes, bathed, healthy young woman smell.

    That armpit hair, and the I’m-so-entitled personality—whew.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @JackOH

    Am I the only one who doesn't mind female armpit hair? It used to be a stereotype that French women didn't depilate, and imho French women are pretty attractive with that wonderful accent.

    This unshaven maven claims to make 200k a year, so there's obviously a market of some kind.

    https://www.worcesternews.co.uk/resources/images/13836396.jpg

    https://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/20178500.onlyfans-andtiktok-cam-girl-refuses-shave-hairy-armpits/


    "Some have said I'll be 'single forever' and will 'never get a man'.

    “I feel happy with my hairy armpits. I don't notice them so much anymore but they often do make me feel sexy and more womanly.

    "I feel proud to raise my armpits in public, especially if I feel like I'm surrounded by close-minded people.

    "An arms-up dance in a nightclub full of clean-shaven people always gives me a thrill."
     

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  180. @Simon in London
    @JimDandy

    >>If you wanted to see them get up on their hind legs and show some passion, you should have shouted, “DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS SUCKS!”<<

    One of the guys I play D&D with, R, is a hardcore ex-military/prison guard/police (currently Border Control) chap with a lot of Heathen/Odinist tattoos. He likes to show off his photos from when he trained the Special Boat Service (SBS) in non-lethal arrest techniques. There was a funny/worrying moment playing D&D when a mouth-breathing Gamma type J (the sort you're referring to) expressed snide scepticism about this. R is a lovely guy but not someone to be insulting.

    Us older Gen X (40s-50s) D&D players seem to span a range from fairly nerdy like me, normal like my friend M, to very macho like R. The Millennials are noticeably more feminine though - and include a lot more actual women, dandy voice actors, and creatures like J who fit your stereotype. I had to ban J from my game recently, I just didn't enjoy interacting with him and he'd creep on both the female player he's obsessed with, and any NPC female who looks at his PC twice.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Bill P, @Anonymous

    I had a lot of friends who wasted their time on that D&D stuff, never got it myself. Some are still my friends, and they are still nerds. Probably when we are old men I’ll still be complaining about how much time they waste playing stupid card games in the basement.

  181. @Unintended Consequence
    @Simon in London

    Er, weren't you married with children a few years ago having some trouble with the kids' schooling? Or was that a different Simon?

    Replies: @Simon in London

    That sounds like the same Simon in London! Just one child, though.

    I separated in 2015, now divorced with equal child custody (after a lot of money & effort), and am on second post marriage relationship, she’s brilliant but we only met in early May so early days yet. My gf is mostly east-Asian by genes, mostly Russian by culture, which makes for an interesting combo. Compared to my previous European partners she is incredibly slim & very attractive, with a great personality, I often get feelings like “Finally! So THIS is what it’s supposed to be like!” >:)

    • Replies: @Simon in London
    @Simon in London

    Likewise, one of my very pretty Ukrainean students married a typical young English guy, he can't believe his luck. I remember him marvelling to me at how she spontaneously did housework(!). From what I've seen there really is no comparison between the bulk (often literal) >:) of modern Anglo women, and east European & east Asian women. The latters' SMV & mate quality is vastly vastly higher.

    Replies: @Unintended Consequence

  182. @Kylie
    @The Alarmist

    "When Did Perfume Stop Being About Sex?

    Maybe it was when Johnny Depp became the face of Dior’s Sauvage."

    Lol! Are you effing kidding me? That is pure s-e-x. Whatever "it" is, Depp has it in spades. I've rarely seen any show, movie or commercial that's sexually graphic that doesn't bore or amuse me. They just don't capture how much fun sex really is.

    This does. I'd do him in front of a Sunday school. Love this guy. Always have, from back when he was a talented kid with soulful eyes and bone structure Garbo might have envied.

    Smartest move Dior ever made. Don't believe me? Check out the comments.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Old Prude

    My oldest sister told me she thinks Depp is so sexy she finds it hard to look at him.

  183. @Altai
    Another example, when did NFL cheerleading stop being about feminine seduction?

    There are creeping numbers of gay males getting into the relatively small NFL cheerleader squads. The other guys who are technically part of the team but also not who do the stunts are separate. I'm talking about guys who join as part of the normal squad and do nothing different, they do the female dance moves, except they don't get pompoms.

    Recently things went to a new level with the first trans NFL cheerleader for the Carolina Panthers. There were already two gay black guys on the team of just 30.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uNyhReYv_A

    All spaces dominated by women seem to go this way these days. What's unique here is that it involves those same women being displaced from very sought after and limited places.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W3qEBmLW0A

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Alexander Turok, @The Anti-Gnostic, @jejej, @Dave from Oz, @Mike_from_SGV

    Reason number 43,722 why I totally ignore sports now.

  184. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jack D

    Thanks for the good news, Jack. I think Roberts is more than a RINO. There's no re-election. He's probably been blackmailed, judging by his Obamacare decision.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Bill Jones

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Bill Jones

    Thanks, Bill, and thanks to Tyrone too on the info about the illegal adoptions.

  185. @Simon in London
    @Unintended Consequence

    That sounds like the same Simon in London! Just one child, though.

    I separated in 2015, now divorced with equal child custody (after a lot of money & effort), and am on second post marriage relationship, she's brilliant but we only met in early May so early days yet. My gf is mostly east-Asian by genes, mostly Russian by culture, which makes for an interesting combo. Compared to my previous European partners she is incredibly slim & very attractive, with a great personality, I often get feelings like "Finally! So THIS is what it's supposed to be like!" >:)

    Replies: @Simon in London

    Likewise, one of my very pretty Ukrainean students married a typical young English guy, he can’t believe his luck. I remember him marvelling to me at how she spontaneously did housework(!). From what I’ve seen there really is no comparison between the bulk (often literal) >:) of modern Anglo women, and east European & east Asian women. The latters’ SMV & mate quality is vastly vastly higher.

    • Replies: @Unintended Consequence
    @Simon in London

    Clearly any male offspring you produce won't suffer the reduced mate selection of their Asian cousins. They will instead have to fight off hoards of dowdy white women and superior Asians alike, just as has been true for dear old dad, am I right?

    Replies: @Simon in London, @Simon in London

  186. To paraphrase a favorite writer of mine, from years ago:

    Feminist perfume marketers bring about a world in which miserable, grown women weep on Christmas morning.

  187. @Chrisnonymous
    As per usual, my view from Japan...

    When I lived in the USA, I went to great lengths to try to find deodorants that had faint scents. I always wondered why people wanted highly scented deodorants and assumed it musr not be possible to produce scentless ones.

    On arriving in Japan, I discovered that one of the most widespread and cheapest deodorant brands ' 3 basic scents were flowers, soap, and fragrance-free!!

    A lot of foreigners in Japan complain that these scent-free deodorants don't work, but this hasn't been my experience at all. I use far less deodorant now than I ever did in the USA and have much less body odor. Similarly, most Japanese people don't exude smells (although younger people are starting to use body sprays and scented deodorants more under the influence of advertising).

    My take is that Americans over-use of strongly scented products from laundry detergents to shampoos to deodorants to perfumes is related to their intake of low-quality foods and its resultant impact on their body odors from being overweight and literally full of chemicals.

    Replies: @Unintended Consequence, @AceDeuce

    most Japanese people don’t exude smells

    Something to do with the apocrine glands–asian piefaces are all like that. Koreans, of course, queer the deal by eating all that kimchee, Getting on a crowded elevator in Seoul is quite the experience–a lot like dotheads and curry smell.

    Japs think that Westerners smell funny due to heavy meat, and especially dairy consumption. Japs used to eat far less of the former, and essentially none of the latter. That’s changed in the past 50 years, but still a big difference.

    In fact, the phrase “bata-kusai” (“stinking of butter”) is frequently used to describe Westerners. And not just as a literal term but as an expression/figure of speech for Western ideas or conduct that they find wrong/ridiculous/offensive.

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
  188. @anonymous
    @The Alarmist

    What's wrong with Depp? He looks good. I don't care for the name, too close to sausage. I prefer something closer to garlic. like Garleek. :)

    Replies: @Kylie, @Nicholas Stix

    “Depp” is German for idiot.

  189. @Simon in London
    @Simon in London

    Likewise, one of my very pretty Ukrainean students married a typical young English guy, he can't believe his luck. I remember him marvelling to me at how she spontaneously did housework(!). From what I've seen there really is no comparison between the bulk (often literal) >:) of modern Anglo women, and east European & east Asian women. The latters' SMV & mate quality is vastly vastly higher.

    Replies: @Unintended Consequence

    Clearly any male offspring you produce won’t suffer the reduced mate selection of their Asian cousins. They will instead have to fight off hoards of dowdy white women and superior Asians alike, just as has been true for dear old dad, am I right?

    • Replies: @Simon in London
    @Unintended Consequence

    We're 49 and 47 and don't want more kids, so that battle is over (barring a major upset). I agree Hapa males have it extremely hard, though Keanu Reeves does ok.

    , @Simon in London
    @Unintended Consequence

    I tried, I really tried. I do have a great white son. Decent white/Anglo women seem to be vanishing rare. After a life time of misery trying to do the right thing, I deserve a bit of happiness with a good woman.

  190. @Unintended Consequence
    @Simon in London

    Clearly any male offspring you produce won't suffer the reduced mate selection of their Asian cousins. They will instead have to fight off hoards of dowdy white women and superior Asians alike, just as has been true for dear old dad, am I right?

    Replies: @Simon in London, @Simon in London

    We’re 49 and 47 and don’t want more kids, so that battle is over (barring a major upset). I agree Hapa males have it extremely hard, though Keanu Reeves does ok.

  191. @Unintended Consequence
    @Simon in London

    Clearly any male offspring you produce won't suffer the reduced mate selection of their Asian cousins. They will instead have to fight off hoards of dowdy white women and superior Asians alike, just as has been true for dear old dad, am I right?

    Replies: @Simon in London, @Simon in London

    I tried, I really tried. I do have a great white son. Decent white/Anglo women seem to be vanishing rare. After a life time of misery trying to do the right thing, I deserve a bit of happiness with a good woman.

  192. @Bill Jones
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I did find this.

    https://darkoutpost.com/conspiracies/john-roberts-is-compromised-regular-visitor-to-espsteins-pedo-island/

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Thanks, Bill, and thanks to Tyrone too on the info about the illegal adoptions.

  193. @JackOH
    @Joe Joe

    Yes, bathed, healthy young woman smell.

    That armpit hair, and the I'm-so-entitled personality---whew.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    Am I the only one who doesn’t mind female armpit hair? It used to be a stereotype that French women didn’t depilate, and imho French women are pretty attractive with that wonderful accent.

    This unshaven maven claims to make 200k a year, so there’s obviously a market of some kind.

    https://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/20178500.onlyfans-andtiktok-cam-girl-refuses-shave-hairy-armpits/

    “Some have said I’ll be ‘single forever’ and will ‘never get a man’.

    “I feel happy with my hairy armpits. I don’t notice them so much anymore but they often do make me feel sexy and more womanly.

    “I feel proud to raise my armpits in public, especially if I feel like I’m surrounded by close-minded people.

    “An arms-up dance in a nightclub full of clean-shaven people always gives me a thrill.”

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Cute with nice tatas, but if armpit hair is her hill do die on, I will pass. Cute but stupid only goes so far.

  194. @YetAnotherAnon
    @JackOH

    Am I the only one who doesn't mind female armpit hair? It used to be a stereotype that French women didn't depilate, and imho French women are pretty attractive with that wonderful accent.

    This unshaven maven claims to make 200k a year, so there's obviously a market of some kind.

    https://www.worcesternews.co.uk/resources/images/13836396.jpg

    https://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/20178500.onlyfans-andtiktok-cam-girl-refuses-shave-hairy-armpits/


    "Some have said I'll be 'single forever' and will 'never get a man'.

    “I feel happy with my hairy armpits. I don't notice them so much anymore but they often do make me feel sexy and more womanly.

    "I feel proud to raise my armpits in public, especially if I feel like I'm surrounded by close-minded people.

    "An arms-up dance in a nightclub full of clean-shaven people always gives me a thrill."
     

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Cute with nice tatas, but if armpit hair is her hill do die on, I will pass. Cute but stupid only goes so far.

  195. Anonymous[973] • Disclaimer says:
    @Simon in London
    @JimDandy

    >>If you wanted to see them get up on their hind legs and show some passion, you should have shouted, “DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS SUCKS!”<<

    One of the guys I play D&D with, R, is a hardcore ex-military/prison guard/police (currently Border Control) chap with a lot of Heathen/Odinist tattoos. He likes to show off his photos from when he trained the Special Boat Service (SBS) in non-lethal arrest techniques. There was a funny/worrying moment playing D&D when a mouth-breathing Gamma type J (the sort you're referring to) expressed snide scepticism about this. R is a lovely guy but not someone to be insulting.

    Us older Gen X (40s-50s) D&D players seem to span a range from fairly nerdy like me, normal like my friend M, to very macho like R. The Millennials are noticeably more feminine though - and include a lot more actual women, dandy voice actors, and creatures like J who fit your stereotype. I had to ban J from my game recently, I just didn't enjoy interacting with him and he'd creep on both the female player he's obsessed with, and any NPC female who looks at his PC twice.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Bill P, @Anonymous

    fa/tg/uys

    • Replies: @Simon in London
    @Anonymous

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fa%2Ftg%2Fuys

    No, no neckbeards in my group. though I do know one neckbeard guy I've played with previously.

  196. @Loyalty Over IQ Worship
    @jejej

    "Pet IN CHURCH ON SUNDAY! "

    Can you elaborate? I don't get it.

    Replies: @jejej

    In the smaller Mormon comgregations it was not uncommon to see teens engaged in what might otherwise be called foreplay. Lots of rubbing and nuzzling.

    By removing shame and lies from sexual desire they have been trying to create something as near to guilt-free Edenism as possible.

    Oddly, they may have required the heresy of FLDSism to keep them in place. Once Jeffs was arrested and locked away FLDSism fell and now Mormons have no middle ground between the heresies of celebrating throw-away sex and the heresy of Prophet Controlled sexuality.

    They now have no taut tightrope and are slamming headfirst into the building On The Left.

  197. @Muggles
    @Peter Akuleyev


    If you can’t keep pace with the boys who work out 3 hours a day then maybe you do feel like you must be a girl.
     
    Boys and young men, unless they do hard work on a farm or ranch, could never look like a gym rat. In the past. Some are born with more athletic potential than others.

    School jocks did, but that was seasonal and many of them were also quite heavy and/or pretty dumb. They were lauded by their schools as "special" but that usually didn't help their dating other than to have letter jackets to hand out or to be a "cool kid."

    An no, it didn't cause normals to want to become girls.

    Guys who look buff in some respects seem suspiciously gay to most guys, unless they are athletes or do some regular voluntary exercise like biking, running, amateur sports, etc.

    What nearly all males learn pretty quick is that young women do like "alpha males" to some extent but only for a while, usually. These are the pretty jocks. But most of them are boors and only the dumber females stay that entranced.

    Women don't buy bodybuilder mags nor do they say they like really buff guys for the most part. Yes, fit and healthy and no bad habits, not prone to quick decay or obesity, but that's about it.

    Gay men are far more into looks than women.

    I think kindness, high earning potential (intelligence, diligence) and basic fitness are major attractors. The dumb blondes and the like who go for the jocks often end up as punching bags for drunks or ex wives of stray tomcats. Of course tastes vary widely.

    I don't think "trans women" turn that way because they can't compete with workout nuts. Bruce Jenner certainly could. Many come out after long marriages and had no trouble with women.

    Who do they think would want to date a "trans female" anyway? A normal guy? A normal female?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    There is an interview with Deidre McCloskey where she/he says since the transition they had one date (the partner was not aware and split from the premises one microsecond after the news) and no relationships. This is approximately thirty years of available.

    Now that my friends is an incel.

  198. @Anonymous
    @Simon in London

    fa/tg/uys

    Replies: @Simon in London

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fa%2Ftg%2Fuys

    No, no neckbeards in my group. though I do know one neckbeard guy I’ve played with previously.

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