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From the New York Times news section:
Asian Americans Grapple With Tide of Attacks: ‘We Need Our Safety Back’
Younger Asian American leaders want to rely less on traditional policing solutions, while more traditional cultural and business groups favor them.
By Jeffery C. Mays, Dana Rubinstein and Grace Ashford
March 6, 2022… What most Asian Americans leaders seem to publicly agree on is denouncing the impulse to view the crimes as a Black-on-Asian pattern. Racial divisions and stereotypes can “strain the community relationships that have been built,” said Vanessa Leung, who is co-executive director of the Coalition for Asian American Children and Families.
So, on second thought, never mind.
Forget we ever mentioned the topic.
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Asians in general were objectively ahead of Europeans for most of history, until they fell prey to their self-imposed restrictions on discussion, founded in a wrongheaded desire for something they call “harmony.”
Militarily they were a laughing stock.Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Desiderius, @J.Ross, @Anon, @Brutusale
… in public.
Asian American “leaders”. LOL.
Multiethnic societies are a loaded gun under the best conditions. But once you make this insane ideology of minoritarianism your official ideology, you can’t even have an actual “nation” anymore. Just a balkanized morass full of sleazy ethnic grifters.
I married into an Asian-American family and have had numerous Asian-American co-workers and friends.
I'm not at all sure a single one could name even one "Asian-American leader."
They don't think that way.
However, they probably could name some Asian-American scientists, athletes, classical musicians, etc.
I remember back in the 1980s my parents-in-law were very proud of Yang and Lee, the Chinese-Americans who won the 1957 Nobel prize in physics (and the first Chinese to win a Nobel -- both seem to still be alive!).
A healthy attitude, I think.Replies: @Brutusale, @AnotherDad
Costs me \$91 per month for my NY Times home delivery. Reading the paper can be so time consuming. You always have to search the article for actual information. There was a rumble at a soccer match in Mexico. A number of people beat up. No indication in the story as to why they printed the article. Must be a reason. Anyway, on this Asian article, yeah you read and scan at the same time. Are they going to write about what Asians actually have to say about these attacks. Are Asian political leanings changing? In the end, nothing really informative.
How much do you pay for tennis shoes? That is a rhetorical question. I don't care how much you spend on tennis shoes. Knock yourself out!
... had to resort to some nice white ladies ...
The passivity and meekness of the Asian American community is quite striking in light of the fact that their women and elderly folk are constantly being preyed upon by black people. When blacks even remotely think they are being mistreated they will whine and scream to the heavens, such that it will become a national story. Maybe our Asian American friends could at least learn something from the black community about self – advocacy and not taking any shit.
Passivity looks to be the prudent political strategy for now in the face of the Operational Groups patrolling the country in service to Blacks.
Below the radar, one cultivates a lifestyle and avoidance strategies that minimize contact.
They have chosen to join the 'blame Whitey' game, merely making it further evident to those with eyes to see that they cannot and never will be heritage Americans in the sense of ethnic European ancestry and modes of thought. Let them defend themselves or not - my concern is for my own people, not alien parasites.Replies: @Dennis Dale
Welp, if you guys in the Asian community want to literally turn a blind eye to who’s attacking you and yours, so be it; I can’t care any more than you do.
Used to be a Chicago Chinatown gun shop many decades back (ebay ad for some ephemera pre-1950s); some ABCs (American Born Chinese) need to apply for a business license for one so we could see the BLACK! racists complain about how this would enable people to obtain weapons to further the infamous and nefarious Gun Violence to be enabled against them when they conduct their standard Black-on-Asian attacks.
Alternative Sulzberger Blog article title:
“Asian Democrat leaders told by black (sorry Black) and Jewish Democrat leaders to cover up and shut up about all the hate crimes blacks are doing against their community.”
Asian American "leaders". LOL.
Multiethnic societies are a loaded gun under the best conditions. But once you make this insane ideology of minoritarianism your official ideology, you can't even have an actual "nation" anymore. Just a balkanized morass full of sleazy ethnic grifters.Replies: @PhysicistDave, @HammerJack
AnotherDad wrote:
Indeed.
I married into an Asian-American family and have had numerous Asian-American co-workers and friends.
I’m not at all sure a single one could name even one “Asian-American leader.”
They don’t think that way.
However, they probably could name some Asian-American scientists, athletes, classical musicians, etc.
I remember back in the 1980s my parents-in-law were very proud of Yang and Lee, the Chinese-Americans who won the 1957 Nobel prize in physics (and the first Chinese to win a Nobel — both seem to still be alive!).
A healthy attitude, I think.
But ... all this depends on stopping immigration.If you can't accomplish that, then under our current minoritarian (anti-white gentile) ideology you're just further building up larger and larger tribes and greater and greater contention in our balkanized post-national marketplace-state.Replies: @Twinkie
NYT lead writer is black, so don’t expect any real investigative reporting. Any responsible metro editor at Times would get anonymous Asian sources to give their honest POV on the crime situation in NYC. I can guarantee you that it would look exactly the same as any discussion we have here at iSteve
Not really. European hegemony was in place by 1500 globally and Rome far exceeded anything in Asia.
Militarily they were a laughing stock.
https://precolumbianoceanictravel.weebly.com/chinese-exploration-the-journey-of-zheng-he-and-others.html
The recent incidents have been black-on-Asian, but it’s always been that way.
Asians are under no illusions about this, whatever the ‘leaders’ immersed in globohomo say. They know who robs their stores, attacks their old people, etc. They avoid blegs whenever possible. My wife’s parents, who lived in a black neighborhood because it was cheap when they first came to this country, watched their own parents mugged repeatedly by ‘teens’ and eventually moved to a Russian neighborhood where they lived for 30 years. One of my wife’s earliest memories is of hiding behind her mother as a very young child while 2 blegs robbed her at knifepoint of the few dollars she had in her purse.
Asians know all about blegs from hard experience. I’m fairly certain that my wife’s family doesn’t consider why blegs are like this, or how they can improve relations between them. I’m not even sure they consider blegs fully human.
In the spirit of things, attack on Asian lady…
https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1500696357799084034?cxt=HHwWhICypd3YxdMpAAAA
Coalition for Asian American Children and Families
Leftist, public education supporters who happen to be Asian.
As opposed to whites?
If Asians are passive and meek then whites are positively masochistic. In fact, the US has gone from Anarcho-Tyranny to flat out Sadomasochism with no end in sight. RIP USA
Does the three-strike law even exist anymore? I keep seeing blacks with 20 priors committing yet another crime in big cities.
Now that’s dedication.
If that’s their attitude, if I’m a white cop I don’t give a damn about Chinatown.
You’d think the orientals would be smart enough to figure that out, and honestly I think they are, but their “leaders” are in on the race racket.
And you know, it kind of makes sense for them. The amount of graft they get away with in democrat cities is astounding, so it’s probably worth their while to keep the racket going even if a few if them get murdered by deranged blacks. If they can blame it on the white devil, all the better. That’s what the CCP does, and it totally works for them.
So, again, if I’m a white cop I’m not going to waste my time in that neighborhood. Sorry, but it’s a no-win situation. Let the orientals and blacks work it out between each other. Sorry about the woke prosecutors and journalists et al., but if you’re going to throw me under the bus (and you know you will) that’s your problem.
LOL. On this particular issue, those “Asian leaders” and Asian elected officials sound an awful lot like “white leaders” and white elected officials…
Wasn’t it Trump who focused his administration on “Criminal Justice Reform” i.e. letting black criminals out of prison?…
Black leaders: get their own out of jail.
Asian leaders: neutral
White leaders: actively put their own in jail.
Your invoking of Trump is dishonest as well, considering many or more here view him as little more than the lesser evil compared to the alternative.
They fear the political cost of truth telling more than they fear the brutes on the streets. Or us, as if it needed saying.
I listen to a bit (as much as I can stand) of the hardcore progressive radio in Portland (KBOO, 90.7; worst non-profit “college” style radio station in the country) and before Ukraine took over they were pushing hard on the Asian-black anti-white solidarity; one program actually had pretty good production values and pounded hard on the sheer white evil of Japanese internment. They are concerned.
Also regarding radio here: I’ve been checking in with the local conspiracy theory channel–yes there is one (101.1), a sort of bowdlerized Alex Jones syndicated show anchors it, it’s really awful, and they’re pushing the Ukraine war hysteria, as is a local Christian (Zionist) station, to an irresponsible pitch. The “Christians” (the station features such grifts as Rabbi Schneider, “Christian Rabbi”) are all but calling for war, lamenting the lack of a no-fly zone, etc.
Whatever you think of the war, there is a full-court press on, as ordered from above, to sell this war–in which we’re about to employ a proxy against Russia, for not giving in on Nato expansion, missiles and, yes, normalized sodomy.
To humor any of it is unforgivable.
Meanwhile, World War III is in the offing.
But whining about some trivial race shit is more important. I mean, after all, it is the bread and butter herein, ain’t it.
Militarily they were a laughing stock.Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Desiderius, @J.Ross, @Anon, @Brutusale
With the exception of, say, 400 to 1500 period.
Asian American "leaders". LOL.
Multiethnic societies are a loaded gun under the best conditions. But once you make this insane ideology of minoritarianism your official ideology, you can't even have an actual "nation" anymore. Just a balkanized morass full of sleazy ethnic grifters.Replies: @PhysicistDave, @HammerJack
Now now, AD. You say that like it’s a bad thing!
When Orientals refuse to name the aggressors, they are by default blaming Whites. So let them get whacked for all I care.
Considerably more expensive than Charmin. Doesn’t even make sense.
Militarily they were a laughing stock.Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Desiderius, @J.Ross, @Anon, @Brutusale
This is inaccurate.
I listen to a bit (as much as I can stand) of the hardcore progressive radio in Portland (KBOO, 90.7; worst non-profit "college" style radio station in the country) and before Ukraine took over they were pushing hard on the Asian-black anti-white solidarity; one program actually had pretty good production values and pounded hard on the sheer white evil of Japanese internment. They are concerned.
Also regarding radio here: I've been checking in with the local conspiracy theory channel--yes there is one (101.1), a sort of bowdlerized Alex Jones syndicated show anchors it, it's really awful, and they're pushing the Ukraine war hysteria, as is a local Christian (Zionist) station, to an irresponsible pitch. The "Christians" (the station features such grifts as Rabbi Schneider, "Christian Rabbi") are all but calling for war, lamenting the lack of a no-fly zone, etc.
Whatever you think of the war, there is a full-court press on, as ordered from above, to sell this war--in which we're about to employ a proxy against Russia, for not giving in on Nato expansion, missiles and, yes, normalized sodomy.
To humor any of it is unforgivable.Replies: @Desiderius, @3g4me
Which above?
Recent immigrants to the U.S. must finding mystifying that one group commits an order of magnitude more crime and not only don’t we study why this is, so we can reduce it, but we barely talk about it.
Speaking of immigrants, I’ve created a petition to give Green Cards to every law-abiding Ukrainian who wants to come here, instead of sending Ukraine weapons. Perhaps some of you would like to sign it: https://chng.it/gxCbYqJFHL
We need to limit all immigrants to America, legal and illegal, no matter what their background or skin color.
Let's focus on this country and our own citizens.
Speaking of immigrants, I've created a petition to give Green Cards to every law-abiding Ukrainian who wants to come here, instead of sending Ukraine weapons. Perhaps some of you would like to sign it: https://chng.it/gxCbYqJFHLReplies: @Dennis Dale, @Wilkey, @Rob, @Pincher Martin
Why would I do that to those lovely people?
In all seriousness, the thought of turning American culture loose on relatively wholesome slavic girls really is depressing.
My counter-petition is forthcoming.
Militarily they were a laughing stock.Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Desiderius, @J.Ross, @Anon, @Brutusale
No matter where you set the line or which country you focus on, my analysis is sound. They definitely could have gone further but chose to stop. All Western accomplishment comes out of rejecting “harmony.”
But Asians have built and maintained some of the nicer countries; China et al are economic superpowers.
I'd say they put forth a harmonious front while fighting in the background.Replies: @Getaclue
It appears only white men and women results are reported separately, and I assume a slight oversampling of white women, because 75 + 43 gives 59 percent 'Stay and Fight' for whites if men and women were sampled equally.
But the white total of both sexes is 57.
The Hispanic total of both sexes is 61.
Was Ron Unz correct after all?
Heaven forfend....
Now being invaded by Mexico or Haiti: that's a very different question.
The age group with the lowest percentage willing to fight are the ones who'd have to do the fighting, the 18-34 age bracket, while the 50+ group is gung ho.
The racial group most in favor of banning Russian oil, the blacks, are probably the least likely to be paying for gas.
Wasn't it Trump who focused his administration on "Criminal Justice Reform" i.e. letting black criminals out of prison?...Replies: @PaceLaw, @bomag, @Mike Tre, @bombthe3gorgesdam
“Wasn’t it Trump who focused his administration on ‘Criminal Justice Reform’ i.e. letting black criminals out of prison?…”
I think that’s a bit of an overreach Ron. While Trump did sign a criminal justice reform bill, it seemed quite reasonable in its reach and scope. The far left/progressive prosecutors around the country are the ones who are responsible (well, technically the people who voted them into office) for letting black criminals out of jails and prisons. Just look at Baltimore, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, etc. Each and every city has a far left, hyper-liberal prosecutor who had decriminalized many offenses. You can’t blame Trump for that.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/422517-trump-signs-criminal-justice-reform-bill
Similarly, I think Trump's "Platinum Plan" promised to give $500 billion to blacks, but his leftist opponents held out for $5 trillion.
Still, Trump wasn't entirely an anti-black racist. He did lead the charge to add the Juneteenth federal holiday, largely replacing the Fourth of July, which the Democrats then endorsed.Replies: @PaceLaw, @Twinkie
This is a rare moment in 21st Century America when you could actually get Congress to vote to increase the European-derived population of U.S. (and the Republican voting base) by millions.
Well said. If Asian Americans are stupid enough to believe Vanessa Leung, who doesn’t want to “strain the community relationships that have been built,” between Asian Americans and blacks, then they deserve what they get. What, exactly, are the community relationships between blacks and Asians in this country? The very thought of it is absurdly comedic, almost like an article from The Babylon Bee.
There are no “Asian American leaders.” Asians are highly fragmented in America and lack serious organizations. Anyone claiming to speak for Asian-Americans are usually grifters and LARPers.Replies: @AndrewR, @RSDB
Exactly. I shudder to think of it. Two wrongs don’t make a right, man.
The joke doesn’t work like it once would have because it’s too close to being true now. “it’s funny because it’s true” definitely not in effect; it’s not funny because it’s almost true.
So the truth is prohibited.
What’s the next step?
I totally forget the “Republican voter base” part. Again: why, why, sir?
Speaking of that base, check out the lunacy on Fox. Tucker Carlson is very much alone over there at the funny farm. Things are about to get a lot worse in the US, because of the power of this anti-Russian narrative. Many of the still beyond-the-pale rightwing outlets like Newsmax are giving in to war hysterics.
If the Narrative were a spacecraft, the propaganda momentum realized in the portrayal of Russia beating up on little Ukraine would be the gravity of a large body the ship bounces off to propel itself (at least I think that’s how it works); and the Narrative is bustling along right now, enlivened, but in the same general direction as always.
And whither Covid? Out of sight just in time for appraisal of the vaccines.
The US has made, out of nothing, a very bad situation for the Europeans. At the very least, Europe has a 4 million strong refugee problem. Add to that food, oil, natural gas, and fertilizer shortages.
Add to that a US unwillingness to restrict its own critical imports from Russia, and the US military incapacity to intervene in Europe after 20 years of fighting non-peer opponents ( https://smallwarsjournal.com/index.php/jrnl/art/us-not-ready-peer-peer-fight-europe ), plus the US financial situation, plus the loss of legitimacy from the COVID affair, and you get a US too dangerous (and too weak) to head NATO and EU.
The more the US pushes, the worse it will appear to the Europeans. Eventually, Europe (Germany, really) makes common cause with the Russians. No way to stop it at this point.
Militarily they were a laughing stock.Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Desiderius, @J.Ross, @Anon, @Brutusale
Indeed.
The earliest Chinese history was heavily influenced by Indo-Europeans. The oracle bones of the Shang dynasty are clearly related to Indo-European languages, and China got the chariot, horses, twill weaving, bronze casting, and a whole host of other technologies from the Andronovo culture, which descended from a migration of people from Northern Europe to Central Asia, including western and central China. China was pretty backward before these people showed up.
My local supermarket just installed a plastic cage surrounding all the personal care products, soap, tampons, hair care, etc. It seems that Blacks were brazenly filling duffle bags with stuff and walking out. Some had even brought old shopping carts without the electronic locks, filled them up, and rolled down the street with them. The right of Blacks to steal must not be infringed, I guess.
That seems to be badly formatted poll results.
It appears only white men and women results are reported separately, and I assume a slight oversampling of white women, because 75 + 43 gives 59 percent ‘Stay and Fight’ for whites if men and women were sampled equally.
But the white total of both sexes is 57.
The Hispanic total of both sexes is 61.
Was Ron Unz correct after all?
Heaven forfend….
I know all about the hawkish morons, but Republican voters are still better than Dem voters.
Speaking of immigrants, I've created a petition to give Green Cards to every law-abiding Ukrainian who wants to come here, instead of sending Ukraine weapons. Perhaps some of you would like to sign it: https://chng.it/gxCbYqJFHLReplies: @Dennis Dale, @Wilkey, @Rob, @Pincher Martin
Ukraine is invaded. So let in 41 million Ukrainians.
Afghanistan falls. So let in 41 million Afghan refugees.
Syria is at war. So let in 17.5 million Syrians.
China is mean to Hong Kong. So let in 7.5 million Hong Kongers.
Haiti is a shithole. So let in 11 million Haitians.
Central America is a shithole. So let in 47 million Central Americans.
Africa is a shithole. So let in 1.3 billion Africans.
41 million here, 41 million there, 17.5 million there, 7.5 million there, 11 million there, 47 million there, 1.3 billion there. Pretty soon you’re talking about a lot of people.
Everytime someone says “Let’s let in everyone who wants to come!” in response to some global catastrophe I pull another fisftul of hair out. And I’m down to my last fistful of hair.
Basic dynamics of the current situation:
The US has made, out of nothing, a very bad situation for the Europeans. At the very least, Europe has a 4 million strong refugee problem. Add to that food, oil, natural gas, and fertilizer shortages.
Add to that a US unwillingness to restrict its own critical imports from Russia, and the US military incapacity to intervene in Europe after 20 years of fighting non-peer opponents ( https://smallwarsjournal.com/index.php/jrnl/art/us-not-ready-peer-peer-fight-europe ), plus the US financial situation, plus the loss of legitimacy from the COVID affair, and you get a US too dangerous (and too weak) to head NATO and EU.
The more the US pushes, the worse it will appear to the Europeans. Eventually, Europe (Germany, really) makes common cause with the Russians. No way to stop it at this point.
The actual survey says more Hispanics (61%) would stay and fight than whites (57%) would. The white category has male and female breakdown, but the Hispanic category doesn’t. So we don’t know if white males are the most likely to stay and fight. It’s more likely Hispanic males… unless Hispanic females are more warlike than white females.
No, it was not well said. I doubt 99% of Asians in America know who Vanessa Leung is or what she says. Regardless of what Leung looks like, the target audience for a NYT op-ed or article are white liberals.
There are no “Asian American leaders.” Asians are highly fragmented in America and lack serious organizations. Anyone claiming to speak for Asian-Americans are usually grifters and LARPers.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SanDiegan/comments/glu5qe/hateful_graffiti_found_at_allied_gardens_little/Replies: @Twinkie, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
An interesting "tweet" a couple of years ago:I had no idea who Vanessa Leung was until a few minutes ago, so I can't really verify that, but this NY Post article supports at least the second of those claims.This seems to be a starkly Orwellian statement, unless I am missing something.Replies: @Twinkie
That goes way back then, as that was Confucius’ big point. The Chinese say “the nail that sticks up gets hammered down”, while Americans say “the squeaky wheel gets the grease.”.
After all those years, it turns out that lots of his sayings were quite erroneous. I’m surprised there has not been a Chinese Pravda column on that by Mr. Unz.
A few of my favorite peer-reviewed findings of Mr. Confucius:
Woman laid in tomb may become mummy.
Man who fall in vat of molten glass make spectacle of self.
Man who run in front of car get tired. Man who run behind car get exhausted.
Even the greatest of whales is helpless in middle of desert.
Grease monkey who go to bed without bathing wake up oily in the morning
The problem is, is there any proof these attacks are particularly motivated by hatred of Asians or are they just general attacks on outgroups and robberies? Could it actually just be that Asians tend to give off a vibe that predatory guys are attracted to along with being shorter and less intimidating than average?
It seems hard for me to see what is what since a lot of the attacks are robberies. It seems like a subtext of ‘StopAsianHate’ is frustration with being seen as an easy desirable target that can’t be said out loud because what race likes to go around saying “We’re being victimised more often because we’re shorter less intimidating and more likely to be seen as having money”. That and in San Fran they tend to live closer to blacks.
The other side is actual ethnic hatred and here again there are conversations that aren’t pleasant. As even Steve has admitted, Asian merchants do push out black ones. And gentrification is a form of community and ethnic displacement in America. These attacks are often less abject abstracted hatred of Asians than resentment of Asians displacing them and are a form of territory marking.
And if Ukrainian Azoz brigade soldiers are the heroes because they are fighting back against a more powerful foe invading their territory how is a poor black guy who shoves a middle class Asian guy to the ground to defend his turf not the hero through sheer intersectionality points?
I don’t think the average Asian reader of the NYT would be pleased with just how many people in the US would agree that though it’s a nasty side of it, macro-aggressions against Asian gentrifiers (Or just plain new immigrants who trigger a violent response in the already resource-deprived) or business owners is a legitimate form of resistance.
The NYPD Hate Crimes Twitter is full of such incidents.
Tweets by NYPDHateCrimes
There are no “Asian American leaders.” Asians are highly fragmented in America and lack serious organizations. Anyone claiming to speak for Asian-Americans are usually grifters and LARPers.Replies: @AndrewR, @RSDB
The leader of Asian-Americans is of course Xi Jinping, who, along with his allies and minions in the US, has succeeded in creating a sort of Greater Pacific Co-Prosperity Sphere. If an American simply criticizes the Chinese government, millions of Americans have been trained to perceive a genocidal threat against all Asian-Americans. The Middle Kingdom stays winning.
Taiwan was a part of it and it was actually pretty nice, this is partly why they don't want to unify with China.
If an American simply criticizes the Chinese government
NYT is pretty negative against China. Fox and Tucker is sometimes very hostile, he had a military dude on who talked about sitting "throne of Chinese skulls". Part of it is a kabuki theatre since the Uniparty still colludes with CPC. Eileen Gu is an example.
The latter type of negative media coverage by Trump and Fox does contribute downstream into these Asian broads getting attacked. Negro thugs are not thinking about the legal aspects of the Taiwan Question, but hears ad nauseam "CHINA Virus" memes. In Europe for example there hasn't been an major uptick in attacks on E. Asians by browns/blacks.
There's another factor driving this that's not covered by Sailer, Epoch Times by Falun Gong founder Li Hongzhi is a major anti-China force in Western media. So these attacks can viewed also as collateral casualty in an intra-Chinese conflict.
Epoch Times also occupies a curious position of supporting various right populist platforms in US and Europehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times#Editorial_stance
So we have roughly,
anti-white, anti-China: Fox, Weekly Standard
anti-white, pro-China: various Asian female twitter bluechecks
not anti-white, anti-China: Epoch Times
not anti-white, not anti-China: Unz Review
Speaking of immigrants, I've created a petition to give Green Cards to every law-abiding Ukrainian who wants to come here, instead of sending Ukraine weapons. Perhaps some of you would like to sign it: https://chng.it/gxCbYqJFHLReplies: @Dennis Dale, @Wilkey, @Rob, @Pincher Martin
I agree that we should let in Ukrainian refugees. Exceot the “Ukrainian refugees” who are Nigerians and Ghanaians, of course. But the article you link to showing “Ukrainian-American” income? Chances are those are Jews.
https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1500696357799084034?cxt=HHwWhICypd3YxdMpAAAAReplies: @Technite78
Asian women can be very stubborn in the face of overwhelming physical superiority. It doesn’t do them any good in a multicultural society, as they just expose themselves to unnecessary excess injury. Perhaps it’s because the average Asian man is not very physically dominant, and amongst their own the stubbornness is an advantage?
What's the next step?Replies: @AndrewR
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Just being White is not a justification for letting in another bunch of thugs and grifters. Ukraine is a shithole because of the Ukrainian people. Why bring them here?
Not exactly true, the group most likely to say they would fight. In reality, who knows ?
Okay.
But Asians have built and maintained some of the nicer countries; China et al are economic superpowers.
I’d say they put forth a harmonious front while fighting in the background.
Why don’t you just do like the rest of us and have iSteve read the Times for you?
The ruling ideology today is that Blacks are special; any whiff of animus towards them gets a person vilified and persecuted.
Passivity looks to be the prudent political strategy for now in the face of the Operational Groups patrolling the country in service to Blacks.
Below the radar, one cultivates a lifestyle and avoidance strategies that minimize contact.
A chunk of American life today consists of GoodWhites throwing Blacks at BadWhites, then throwing BadWhites in jail forever if they dare to fight back.
Wasn't it Trump who focused his administration on "Criminal Justice Reform" i.e. letting black criminals out of prison?...Replies: @PaceLaw, @bomag, @Mike Tre, @bombthe3gorgesdam
C’mon, Ron; quit being so mean to Asian leaders, considering that White leaders actively hunt down and prosecute their kind for thinking wrong thoughts.
Black leaders: get their own out of jail.
Asian leaders: neutral
White leaders: actively put their own in jail.
How many of those Hispanics are also white? (“Hispanic” needs to go away as a category.)
… Built between some activist Asian American elites and some activist black elites. The average Asian American has no relationship with the average black, and vice versa. They mutually dislike each other and think the other is having an unfavorable impact on their own group’s interests. The illusion of some sort of “community relationship” stems from the fact that the silent majority doesn’t want cancelation.
The so-called Asian leaders are probably the least representative of any major group when it comes to their feelings of solidarity with blacks. The only thing that the two groups have in common as far as I can tell is they define themselves more as members of a group as opposed to individuals, more so than I think whites or Latinos do. But when it comes to personal values and behavior, the two couldn’t be more different.
Anyway, I wonder if urban Asians have a version of Derbyshire’s “The Talk” they administer to their kids, or if it’s so blindingly obvious it goes unstated.
Sure, that’s fair. Trump only wanted to let half the black criminals out of prison, leading the leftists to denounce him as a racist and redouble their efforts to let them all out.
Similarly, I think Trump’s “Platinum Plan” promised to give \$500 billion to blacks, but his leftist opponents held out for \$5 trillion.
Still, Trump wasn’t entirely an anti-black racist. He did lead the charge to add the Juneteenth federal holiday, largely replacing the Fourth of July, which the Democrats then endorsed.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-cities-surge-in-shootings-rattles-once-safe-seattle-11646589942?st=vm0hz1q3k6b3mw5&reflink=share_mobilewebshareReplies: @FBIstats
Survey after survey show that he might have done better had he concentrated on turning out more Hispanics* than blacks, but Trump (and Kushner) seems to have fixated on winning over more blacks for some strange reason I can't fathom.
*I am not, of course, suggesting that Hispanics should have been his top priority - he needed to shore up what remained of whites with college degrees on his side, but in politics you have to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time.Replies: @nebulafox, @West reanimator
Anyway, I wonder if urban Asians have a version of Derbyshire's "The Talk" they administer to their kids, or if it's so blindingly obvious it goes unstated.Replies: @Technite78, @Twinkie
They definitely do, and it’s not subtle. The more Americanized the kids however, the less likely they are to take the advice until reality intrudes.
How much do you pay for tennis shoes? That is a rhetorical question. I don’t care how much you spend on tennis shoes. Knock yourself out!
You are being tediously pedantic. Those people are not allowed privileged platforms in this country. They are expected to fall in line to the Democrat/CCP marching orders. But yes we know about the Vietnamese. Andy Ngo, for example, is doing more to fight leftist extremism than almost any white people.
You know, denouncing something as racist isn’t a bad way to broadcast a warning that it’s happening. “The Asian community wants everyone to know there isn’t a lot of racial division happening in midtown between 3rd and 5th.”
It’s a stupid question, unless you say who is the hypothetical invader. Russia/Ukraine would be like the US being invaded by Canada. I don’t think I’d care to die over that; I like the US but I’m sure I could get used to living in Canada. (I visit Canada now and then and forget I’m in a foreign country.)
Now being invaded by Mexico or Haiti: that’s a very different question.
From now on, for each immigrant into ‘merica, we have to deport an earlier one who has been judged less desirable.
the obituaries in the NY Times are excellent. Nothing comparable in any other publication.
The full page Richard Feynman obituary by James Gleick was a masterpiece.
I think the big difference among all those groups is the Ukrainians and Hong Kongers tend to be well educated and hold western values (self-sufficiency, don’t molest unaccompanied women on the streets, living off of welfare is shameful, etc.). I don’t care what color your skin is if you can support yourself and your kids.
Militarily they were a laughing stock.Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Desiderius, @J.Ross, @Anon, @Brutusale
Really?
https://precolumbianoceanictravel.weebly.com/chinese-exploration-the-journey-of-zheng-he-and-others.html
I married into an Asian-American family and have had numerous Asian-American co-workers and friends.
I'm not at all sure a single one could name even one "Asian-American leader."
They don't think that way.
However, they probably could name some Asian-American scientists, athletes, classical musicians, etc.
I remember back in the 1980s my parents-in-law were very proud of Yang and Lee, the Chinese-Americans who won the 1957 Nobel prize in physics (and the first Chinese to win a Nobel -- both seem to still be alive!).
A healthy attitude, I think.Replies: @Brutusale, @AnotherDad
Translation from journalese: a leader is someone who’ll talk to us on record.
@4 PaceLaw: If all those poor Asians remained in Asia, they wouldn’t have to deal with feral blacks. There is no such thing as an “Asian-American community” – there are various varieties of Han, Koreans, Thais, Vietnamese, and other Orientals with magic American papers or birth on magic American dirt, and each has its own issues and self interests. That does not alter either their DNA or generations of culture.
They have chosen to join the ‘blame Whitey’ game, merely making it further evident to those with eyes to see that they cannot and never will be heritage Americans in the sense of ethnic European ancestry and modes of thought. Let them defend themselves or not – my concern is for my own people, not alien parasites.
I listen to a bit (as much as I can stand) of the hardcore progressive radio in Portland (KBOO, 90.7; worst non-profit "college" style radio station in the country) and before Ukraine took over they were pushing hard on the Asian-black anti-white solidarity; one program actually had pretty good production values and pounded hard on the sheer white evil of Japanese internment. They are concerned.
Also regarding radio here: I've been checking in with the local conspiracy theory channel--yes there is one (101.1), a sort of bowdlerized Alex Jones syndicated show anchors it, it's really awful, and they're pushing the Ukraine war hysteria, as is a local Christian (Zionist) station, to an irresponsible pitch. The "Christians" (the station features such grifts as Rabbi Schneider, "Christian Rabbi") are all but calling for war, lamenting the lack of a no-fly zone, etc.
Whatever you think of the war, there is a full-court press on, as ordered from above, to sell this war--in which we're about to employ a proxy against Russia, for not giving in on Nato expansion, missiles and, yes, normalized sodomy.
To humor any of it is unforgivable.Replies: @Desiderius, @3g4me
@19 Dennis Dale: Both unforgivable and utterly predictable. Diversity + proximity = war. Alien elite hostile to and ruling over the native population = social destruction.
@36 Dennis Dale: You make far too much sense for Sailer’s commentariat. You’re supposed to spout numbers and data to support citizenism and purely economic motivations for all human activity. And DNA only matters when it comes to black dysfunction, not any other ethnic group’s behavior or motivations. And remember to always mock the schizophrenic elite – you’re not supposed to believe they’re truly anti-White and evil.
My two takeaways are:
The age group with the lowest percentage willing to fight are the ones who’d have to do the fighting, the 18-34 age bracket, while the 50+ group is gung ho.
The racial group most in favor of banning Russian oil, the blacks, are probably the least likely to be paying for gas.
There was an attack on Asians the other day. Accompanied by a picture.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/04/us/nyc-man-charged-hate-crimes-asian-women/index.html
Finally!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10574619/Florida-man-28-arrested-suspicion-attacking-seven-Asian-women-faced-domestic-violence-claims.html
I married into an Asian-American family and have had numerous Asian-American co-workers and friends.
I'm not at all sure a single one could name even one "Asian-American leader."
They don't think that way.
However, they probably could name some Asian-American scientists, athletes, classical musicians, etc.
I remember back in the 1980s my parents-in-law were very proud of Yang and Lee, the Chinese-Americans who won the 1957 Nobel prize in physics (and the first Chinese to win a Nobel -- both seem to still be alive!).
A healthy attitude, I think.Replies: @Brutusale, @AnotherDad
Asians who’ve come to the US are mostly from places that had settled agriculture and actual “civilization”, plus they are–median–selected. They–in general–don’t have problems being productively employed and meeting American social/public middle class norms.
My rough take is that if we could *just stop immigration* and *overthrow minoritarianism*–return to confident majoritarianism–in a just a few generations, the Asians would be easily assimilated into the American core. They aren’t all going to be great pickups–there’s only one Twinkie–but overall they can be assimilated.
The notable exception are Muslims. We’ve seen from American Jews, and the incredible damage they’ve wrought, the barrier that a strong religious difference–a feeling of separateness–can create. While Judaism has been an interior hostile religion in the West, Islamic civilization has been the prime external antagonist civilization to the West, to Christendom. Bringing Muslims into the West is really … insane. Insane above the mere level of people from foreign civilizations in general. A recipe for endless strife.
But … all this depends on stopping immigration.
If you can’t accomplish that, then under our current minoritarian (anti-white gentile) ideology you’re just further building up larger and larger tribes and greater and greater contention in our balkanized post-national marketplace-state.
While saying the talking points we want to print.
Let’s pretend America was invaded by a nation competent enough to do so, which could only be China. You can bet blacks would fight because they’d be being rounded up and shipped off to labor camps.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/04/us/nyc-man-charged-hate-crimes-asian-women/index.html
Finally!Replies: @res
That mentally ill, white, homeless veteran looks like the Great White Defendant come to life. It will be interesting to see how the coverage of this and his punishment compares to similar (except for the identity of the perpetrator) cases. More at The Daily Mail.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10574619/Florida-man-28-arrested-suspicion-attacking-seven-Asian-women-faced-domestic-violence-claims.html
Agree, but how about we trade our Haitians and Somalis for Ukrainians, straight-up swap?
Wasn't it Trump who focused his administration on "Criminal Justice Reform" i.e. letting black criminals out of prison?...Replies: @PaceLaw, @bomag, @Mike Tre, @bombthe3gorgesdam
The difference being of course, Asian leaders would be shielded by the fact they are also minorities, a luxury whites don’t have.
Your invoking of Trump is dishonest as well, considering many or more here view him as little more than the lesser evil compared to the alternative.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SanDiegan/comments/glu5qe/hateful_graffiti_found_at_allied_gardens_little/Replies: @Twinkie, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
Xi is not the leader of Asian-Americans. He’s the leader of Business-Americans. The last time I checked, the US Chamber of Commerce was almost entirely made up of whites.
BTW, I've found the ideal neighborhood in which Elon or Grimes (they're split) can bring up little X Æ A-Xii:
AA HH 2 de Mayo, Chimbote, Peru
Elon could probably buy up all of Chimbote.
The “criminal justice reform bill” was another case of Trump being an idiot by listening to bigger idiots, in this case, Javonka.
But ... all this depends on stopping immigration.If you can't accomplish that, then under our current minoritarian (anti-white gentile) ideology you're just further building up larger and larger tribes and greater and greater contention in our balkanized post-national marketplace-state.Replies: @Twinkie
If.
Anyway, I wonder if urban Asians have a version of Derbyshire's "The Talk" they administer to their kids, or if it's so blindingly obvious it goes unstated.Replies: @Technite78, @Twinkie
I got “The Talk,” from my parents, but it was less verbose: “Keep away from blacks.”
Not as long as The Times ones and stylistically different, but The Economist also has good obits.
In the article change “most Asian leaders” to a ‘few Asian leaders’ and if by the relationship Asians have built with blacks in the community, you mean selling malt liquor and Newports from behind a three inch thick bullet proof window, that’s sounds about right.
Also,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu_Shih
Think of all the interesting ethnic food and cheap domestic servants!
OT (sort of): Man who punched and killed a 77 year old man sentenced to 2 years’ house arrest, judge says he considered fact that victim used the “most offensive and aggressive word in the English language.”
The N—- defense in full effect. The hierarchy of words now with legal status.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/florida/2022/03/08/florida-dunkin-worker-sentenced-for-fatal-punch-of-customer/
But Asians have built and maintained some of the nicer countries; China et al are economic superpowers.
I'd say they put forth a harmonious front while fighting in the background.Replies: @Getaclue
Look into what part John D. Rockefeller had as to all of that — purposely causing the outsourcing of the USA manufacturing etc. to destroy the USA as part of the NWO Agenda – “Modern” China has Rockefeller fingerprints all over it as does the “Pandemic” bs and almost every other evil thing that has happened in the last 100 plus years or so….
NYTimes apparently couldn’t even find a real Asian to contribute to this article…
… had to resort to some nice white ladies …
There are no “Asian American leaders.” Asians are highly fragmented in America and lack serious organizations. Anyone claiming to speak for Asian-Americans are usually grifters and LARPers.Replies: @AndrewR, @RSDB
Are you telling me, in other words, that “Asian-American leaders” are all chiefs and no Indians?
An interesting “tweet” a couple of years ago:
I had no idea who Vanessa Leung was until a few minutes ago, so I can’t really verify that, but this NY Post article supports at least the second of those claims.
This seems to be a starkly Orwellian statement, unless I am missing something.
Orwellian is right. And a grifter as well.
Imagine calling Elon Musk the leader of African-Americans.
BTW, I’ve found the ideal neighborhood in which Elon or Grimes (they’re split) can bring up little X Æ A-Xii:
AA HH 2 de Mayo, Chimbote, Peru
Elon could probably buy up all of Chimbote.
They have chosen to join the 'blame Whitey' game, merely making it further evident to those with eyes to see that they cannot and never will be heritage Americans in the sense of ethnic European ancestry and modes of thought. Let them defend themselves or not - my concern is for my own people, not alien parasites.Replies: @Dennis Dale
The system is by default doing to Asians what it did to whites–rubbing out the component ethnic identities to create a broader “white” now “Asian” category that, like you said, doesn’t mean anything, still, to actual “Asians”; but of course for Asians in America this deracination will be as profitable as it has been disastrous for us. There will be an Asian grifter class in the coming race for the spoils here, to join the burgeoning Indian narrative hustler class already well ahead of them.
With Asians the differential dynamic is different - ordinary Asians tend to do well while the Asian grifter class tends to be made up of those without concrete skills, e.g. shrill females with English lit or sociology degrees - but the underlying dynamic of the grifter class trying to get ahead at the expense of the majority with some twisted ideology is the same. Afterall, you don't see East Asian males with electrical engineering degrees or jobs as program managers at IT firms pining for all this social justice nonsense, do you?Replies: @Dennis Dale
https://www.reddit.com/r/SanDiegan/comments/glu5qe/hateful_graffiti_found_at_allied_gardens_little/Replies: @Twinkie, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
Greater Pacific Co-Prosperity Sphere
Taiwan was a part of it and it was actually pretty nice, this is partly why they don’t want to unify with China.
If an American simply criticizes the Chinese government
NYT is pretty negative against China. Fox and Tucker is sometimes very hostile, he had a military dude on who talked about sitting “throne of Chinese skulls”. Part of it is a kabuki theatre since the Uniparty still colludes with CPC. Eileen Gu is an example.
The latter type of negative media coverage by Trump and Fox does contribute downstream into these Asian broads getting attacked. Negro thugs are not thinking about the legal aspects of the Taiwan Question, but hears ad nauseam “CHINA Virus” memes. In Europe for example there hasn’t been an major uptick in attacks on E. Asians by browns/blacks.
There’s another factor driving this that’s not covered by Sailer, Epoch Times by Falun Gong founder Li Hongzhi is a major anti-China force in Western media. So these attacks can viewed also as collateral casualty in an intra-Chinese conflict.
Epoch Times also occupies a curious position of supporting various right populist platforms in US and Europe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times#Editorial_stance
So we have roughly,
anti-white, anti-China: Fox, Weekly Standard
anti-white, pro-China: various Asian female twitter bluechecks
not anti-white, anti-China: Epoch Times
not anti-white, not anti-China: Unz Review
Similarly, I think Trump's "Platinum Plan" promised to give $500 billion to blacks, but his leftist opponents held out for $5 trillion.
Still, Trump wasn't entirely an anti-black racist. He did lead the charge to add the Juneteenth federal holiday, largely replacing the Fourth of July, which the Democrats then endorsed.Replies: @PaceLaw, @Twinkie
Ok Ron, I get it that you’re not a fan of Trump, but are you going to completely ignore the havoc that Democratic, left-wing prosecutors have unleashed??? Just yesterday there was an article about what a shit-hole Seattle is turning into due to off-the-charts violence. Come on man, Trump can’t be blamed for all of this.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-cities-surge-in-shootings-rattles-once-safe-seattle-11646589942?st=vm0hz1q3k6b3mw5&reflink=share_mobilewebshare
Speaking of immigrants, I've created a petition to give Green Cards to every law-abiding Ukrainian who wants to come here, instead of sending Ukraine weapons. Perhaps some of you would like to sign it: https://chng.it/gxCbYqJFHLReplies: @Dennis Dale, @Wilkey, @Rob, @Pincher Martin
Nope. I’m not signing that. You’re approaching this the wrong way.
We need to limit all immigrants to America, legal and illegal, no matter what their background or skin color.
Let’s focus on this country and our own citizens.
I was told by a number of commenters here that Ukrainians are neo Nazis and thus incompatible with western ways. And Ukrainians would probably skew Democrat given how the GOP is on love with Putin. You have a PR problem.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-cities-surge-in-shootings-rattles-once-safe-seattle-11646589942?st=vm0hz1q3k6b3mw5&reflink=share_mobilewebshareReplies: @FBIstats
Antifa ruined Seattle. Trying to figure out why DJT, of all people, would be responsible. Various politicians (governors and mayors) were bribed by China (Gavin Newsom, half a billion) to wreck their cities and states; this is not Trump’s fault. These traitors were in high profile before he even ran, and they are one of the reasons why he ran. One of these traitors is in (purportedly) the White House now. Surprise surprise. He is blaming Russia for ruining the crime syndicates he had set up in the Ukraine.
Wasn't it Trump who focused his administration on "Criminal Justice Reform" i.e. letting black criminals out of prison?...Replies: @PaceLaw, @bomag, @Mike Tre, @bombthe3gorgesdam
As that declassified DOD report on chinese beliefs about racial matters in America (Steve posted about it a week or two ago) showed, the chinese see themselves as natural leaders of all fellow non-whites in the worldwide struggle against the supremacy of the white race. That’s not racist sinophobic bombthe3gorgesdam talking, that’s china’s leaders from Mao Zedong on. These younger “asian leaders” are not haplessly following “white leaders” in america, they’re following chinese leaders who understand power and are wisely choosing to maintain the highly effective “people of color” coalition they lead against the white race in America. If a random unlucky asian woman gets murked by a feral negro in new york or san francisco, that’s a small price to pay for the real political power that comes with leading the POC coalition. Many white racialists are unable to understand this and are left scratching their heads as to why asians (or jews) don’t team up with whites against the scary and violent blacks.
Was it before or after the encounter you mentioned recently? (early school fight IIRC)
Then again, the first day at a nearly all-white school in New England (earlier), I also got into a fight at the cafeteria (some kid threw French fries at me, I took it as a grave insult - "Don't throw food at me, I am not an animal!" - and I jumped up the table and soccer-kicked him on the face), so maybe, just maybe, it wasn't all other kids. ;)
I only got a "detention" from that incident - unimaginable these days! Those were the days...
I was quite confused about the so-called punishment - "What? You are giving me a quiet room to study and read? How is this a punishment?" Any moment now, I expected a teacher to give me a walloping, kinda like this:
https://youtu.be/Ntv8l6ZAddA
https://youtu.be/Bv_d6laoxzM
The N—- defense in full effect. The hierarchy of words now with legal status.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/florida/2022/03/08/florida-dunkin-worker-sentenced-for-fatal-punch-of-customer/Replies: @Polistra
The bad man had actually used the casus belli term, for which the penalty is capital punishment, right? Will be soon anyway. Clearly a stupid lowlife and kiddie diddler as well, so it’s sorta hard to get exercised over his demise.
They’re experts at avoiding reality. They avoid it like the plague it is. The better to keep their fantasies intact. Seriously: maybe one percent ever meet reality up close and personal, and they’re already taught that whatever happens is their own fault anyway.
[Aww crap, I wrote all that about goodwhites and you’re talking about asians. Too righteous to delete, so I shall let it stand.]
Asians have learned from blacks, for sure. They’ve learned they can punch white, but not punch black. They’ve learned their place on the victim ladder.
Asians can’t defend themselves against blacks without weapons. It’s natural selection.
INTERSECTIONAL ALERT: The suspect being sought in the latest brutal NYC subway hammer attack is a transgender M to F. Six feet tall, nicely dressed. Some poor schmuck accidentally bumped him/her, and out came the hammer. Women!
It was when we moved to NYC.
I got into a brawl with a bunch of black kids the first day at school in NYC. In the gym class, a black kid shoved me from the back, so I front-kicked him in the face. Later he showed up with friends and attacked me.
Then again, the first day at a nearly all-white school in New England (earlier), I also got into a fight at the cafeteria (some kid threw French fries at me, I took it as a grave insult – “Don’t throw food at me, I am not an animal!” – and I jumped up the table and soccer-kicked him on the face), so maybe, just maybe, it wasn’t all other kids. 😉
I only got a “detention” from that incident – unimaginable these days! Those were the days…
I was quite confused about the so-called punishment – “What? You are giving me a quiet room to study and read? How is this a punishment?” Any moment now, I expected a teacher to give me a walloping, kinda like this:
Both Steve Sailer and I commented on it – that the so-called report says more about American insecurities and anxieties than what the Chinese actually think about race.
That “deracination” is only going to be good for a small slice of what you call “an Asian grifter class” and will be negative for the overwhelming majority of Asians in America, as it has been for all ethnic groups in this country, including blacks. Don’t forget that black “leaders” do quite well for themselves while the ordinary blacks are mired in underachievement.
With Asians the differential dynamic is different – ordinary Asians tend to do well while the Asian grifter class tends to be made up of those without concrete skills, e.g. shrill females with English lit or sociology degrees – but the underlying dynamic of the grifter class trying to get ahead at the expense of the majority with some twisted ideology is the same. Afterall, you don’t see East Asian males with electrical engineering degrees or jobs as program managers at IT firms pining for all this social justice nonsense, do you?
But black people have no real autonomy, you say. Black people don't benefit from all the crime and degeneracy, they used to have intact families--yada effin yada.
No. Black people are demanding and getting the authentically black world they want, above all. They've managed to invert the old humiliating alienation of living in a white world. Black people convert mediocrity and malice into wealth and prestige through demagogy. With a little help from certain quarters, yes.
Treating Asians like blacks won't make blacks out of Asians any more than the reverse is possible. Asians will be fine.
An interesting "tweet" a couple of years ago:I had no idea who Vanessa Leung was until a few minutes ago, so I can't really verify that, but this NY Post article supports at least the second of those claims.This seems to be a starkly Orwellian statement, unless I am missing something.Replies: @Twinkie
So this “Asian” female is just a standard Woke liberal who supports policies that hurts meritocracy and Asians all the while claiming to speak for “Asian children and families.”
Orwellian is right. And a grifter as well.
Similarly, I think Trump's "Platinum Plan" promised to give $500 billion to blacks, but his leftist opponents held out for $5 trillion.
Still, Trump wasn't entirely an anti-black racist. He did lead the charge to add the Juneteenth federal holiday, largely replacing the Fourth of July, which the Democrats then endorsed.Replies: @PaceLaw, @Twinkie
I still don’t get why the “criminal justice reform” was such a thing with Trump. Was it because of his son-in-law Jared Kushner (whose father was a convicted felon pardoned by Trump)? Was it because he felt sympatico with fellow golden bling-loving blacks (and Indians) and could convince them to turn out for him?
Survey after survey show that he might have done better had he concentrated on turning out more Hispanics* than blacks, but Trump (and Kushner) seems to have fixated on winning over more blacks for some strange reason I can’t fathom.
*I am not, of course, suggesting that Hispanics should have been his top priority – he needed to shore up what remained of whites with college degrees on his side, but in politics you have to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time.
Survey after survey show that he might have done better had he concentrated on turning out more Hispanics* than blacks, but Trump (and Kushner) seems to have fixated on winning over more blacks for some strange reason I can't fathom.
*I am not, of course, suggesting that Hispanics should have been his top priority - he needed to shore up what remained of whites with college degrees on his side, but in politics you have to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time.Replies: @nebulafox, @West reanimator
He just wanted to be liked. And due to the incessant fetishization of blacks in the media, that was probably an inevitable policy drift.
Trump’s biggest mistake in office was assuming our elites can be negotiated with, and his biggest personal failing was his (frankly pathetic) desire for their approval. He never understood that they didn’t object to this or that policy, but his political existence, period. He represented the unacceptable: something short of total surrender from “core” white Americans. They can’t be, and why would you want that anyway? I don’t expect aspiring populists to share my more… vivid fantasies on what to do with these people. But seriously, as a simple political calculation, why would you bother with a widely despised elite that has managed to do the unprecedented in throwing away what the US had in 1990 on every level possible? Publicly humiliating them and punishing them is a better bet for popularity, which would be necessary to get anything done with an inveterate hostile bureaucracy that would take a lot of time to castrate under “normal” conditions.
I don’t think the next Trump is going to make that mistake. But then, will that matter, way things are going?
>Antifa ruined Seattle.
Seattle was already a mess before the events of 2020.
Ditto the Bay Area. The events of the last two years have accelerated the decay process-and also have kicked off a brain drain. Plenty of guys in Big Tech have packed their parachutes and are jumping, geographically and professionally.
The point of living in places like the Bay is to be surrounded by brilliant STEM people. Without that, why bother with the living costs, and if you are single male, the grossly unfavorable gender ratio? (48 syndrome is real, folks! Though I will admit just being a socially normal masculine male will make you stand out.) And if you are a parent who doesn’t want bluehairs messing up your kids…
With Asians the differential dynamic is different - ordinary Asians tend to do well while the Asian grifter class tends to be made up of those without concrete skills, e.g. shrill females with English lit or sociology degrees - but the underlying dynamic of the grifter class trying to get ahead at the expense of the majority with some twisted ideology is the same. Afterall, you don't see East Asian males with electrical engineering degrees or jobs as program managers at IT firms pining for all this social justice nonsense, do you?Replies: @Dennis Dale
Most definitely no. Black people are not poorly served by the Great Groid Grift at all. The enormous transfer of wealth may be the least of the privileges it brings; the law is bent, changed for them, they are fetishized and pampered.
But black people have no real autonomy, you say. Black people don’t benefit from all the crime and degeneracy, they used to have intact families–yada effin yada.
No. Black people are demanding and getting the authentically black world they want, above all. They’ve managed to invert the old humiliating alienation of living in a white world. Black people convert mediocrity and malice into wealth and prestige through demagogy. With a little help from certain quarters, yes.
Treating Asians like blacks won’t make blacks out of Asians any more than the reverse is possible. Asians will be fine.
Depends what you mean by “ahead of”. They were richer than Europe for a long while. In pre industrial times, easy to do when you have the world’s biggest population. In terms of inventions and intellectual achievement, they were never ahead of Europe, not even close.
Survey after survey show that he might have done better had he concentrated on turning out more Hispanics* than blacks, but Trump (and Kushner) seems to have fixated on winning over more blacks for some strange reason I can't fathom.
*I am not, of course, suggesting that Hispanics should have been his top priority - he needed to shore up what remained of whites with college degrees on his side, but in politics you have to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time.Replies: @nebulafox, @West reanimator
Probably. Criminal justice reform was always likely a shell game to get white-collar crooks like Kushner out of prison, since the focus was on non-violent crimes; blacks were the least likely to benefit from any reforms of that nature, since they are more likely to be violent criminals than anyone else.
You'd think the orientals would be smart enough to figure that out, and honestly I think they are, but their "leaders" are in on the race racket.
And you know, it kind of makes sense for them. The amount of graft they get away with in democrat cities is astounding, so it's probably worth their while to keep the racket going even if a few if them get murdered by deranged blacks. If they can blame it on the white devil, all the better. That's what the CCP does, and it totally works for them.
So, again, if I'm a white cop I'm not going to waste my time in that neighborhood. Sorry, but it's a no-win situation. Let the orientals and blacks work it out between each other. Sorry about the woke prosecutors and journalists et al., but if you're going to throw me under the bus (and you know you will) that's your problem.Replies: @36 ulster
I’m not aware of Oriental-American–or Indo-American–“leaders” in my city or in any other metro area. Not in the sense that Afros have soi-disant “leaders” anyway. They do have activists, as Hispano-Americans do, and they tend to have the opinions and sound bites that are expected of the type, but they don’t necessarily reflect the opinions of their “communities.” And the folks they purport to represent are no worse off for it.
That’s what I’m saying. The West achieved because it embraced chaos, and the achievement closed the original gap. The East rejected this, not from lack of ability, but from aversion to chaos. Our dumb society is now making the same choice and we’ll plunge off a cliff.