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From the NYT Opinion section, instructions on how not to Badthink about looting:

What Kind of Society Values Property Over Black Lives?

The hackneyed emphasis on “Why loot?” obscures the question, which black people have asked for centuries.

By Robin D. G. Kelley

Robin D. G. Kelley is a professor of American history at U.C.L.A. and the author of “Freedom Dreams: The Black Radical Imagination.”

June 18, 2020

“Why are they looting?”

It’s asked every time protests against police violence erupt into civil unrest.

We know the answers by now: Poverty, anger, age, rage and a sense of helplessness. …

Let me offer a more productive question instead: What is the effect of obsessing over looting?

Why do you keep noticing all the looting? If your mind was pure of racist thoughts, you wouldn’t even notice the looting. But it’s not, is it? You have racist thoughts! CONFESS.

It deflects from the core problem that brought people to the streets: The police keep killing us with impunity. Instead, once the burning and looting start, the media often shifts to the futility of “violence” as a legitimate path to justice. Crime becomes the story. Riots, we are told, cause harm by foreclosing constructive solutions. But such rebellions have not only shined a spotlight on American racism; they have also spawned investigations and limited reforms when traditional appeals have failed.

… Rarely do we read about the white people who looted during the Watts rebellion in 1965 and in Detroit in 1967. Indeed, white people, among them far-right provocateurs, have engaged in looting and destruction of property during the current protests; there is ample video evidence from across the country. There are also videos of black organizers asking them to stop because the police will “blame that on us.”

Our country was built on looting — the looting of Indigenous lands and African labor. African-Americans, in fact, have much more experience being looted than looting. The long history of “race riots” in America — in Cincinnati; Philadelphia; Detroit; New York; Memphis; Wilmington, N.C.; Atlanta; New Orleans; Springfield, Ill.; East St. Louis; Chicago; and Tulsa, Okla. — more closely resembled anti-black pogroms than ghetto rebellions. White mobs, often backed by the police, not only looted and burned black homes and businesses but also maimed and killed black people.

Tulsa was only 98 years ago, people. How many more recent events can you name? Let me see, there was FDR’s redlining and Emmett Till and … nope, that’s about it. Tulsa is the third most recent important thing ever to happen in America. Therefore, it must have caused whatever bad things blacks are doing now.

Our bodies were loot. The forced extraction of our labor was loot. A system of governance that suppressed our wages, relieved us of property and excluded black people from equal schools and public accommodations is a form of looting. We can speak of the looting of black property through redlining, slum clearance and more recently predatory lending.

Police departments and municipal courts engage in their own form of looting by issuing and collecting excessive fines and fees from vulnerable communities. A 2017 report by the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights found that “municipalities that rely heavily on revenue from fines and fees have a higher than average percentage of African-American and Latino populations.” And cities rely on tax revenues not only to fund the police but also to pay the ballooning costs to settle police misconduct cases. Chicago shelled out more than $100 million to settle police misconduct suits in 2018 alone.

I found it ironic that the New York Stock Exchange went silent for 8 minutes 46 seconds during George Floyd’s funeral, even though Wall Street has profited from police misconduct. Cities and counties sometimes have to issue bonds to pay out these settlements; banks collect fees for their services and investors earn interest. Some of the beneficiaries of this arrangement include Wells Fargo, Goldman Sachs and Bank of America, as well as smaller regional banks.

The hackneyed emphasis on “why loot?” obscures the critical question black people have been asking for centuries: What kind of society values property over black life? Should the theft of sneakers and computers, or shattered windows, graffiti or broken locks become our obsession when black people are being killed before our eyes, when the police are bashing the heads of protesters and tear-gassing people during a viral pandemic that can cause respiratory illness? …

And much more of this ilk …

 
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  1. Anonymous[185] • Disclaimer says:

    Most African societies.

  2. Ackshually, I think the looting is a good idea, but not the overt noticing. The noticing should be kept quiet until November.

  3. What kind of society values criminal thugs over law-abiding good citizens?

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @R.G. Camara

    That's why the woke-left is redefining "criminal" and "law-abiding."

    Looting? That's just undocumented shopping. And silence is violence--not law-abiding.

    See? Word games easy. As learned on a mother's knee:


    "When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.' 'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.' 'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master — that's all."
     
    Which is to be master--that is all.
    , @Kronos
    @R.G. Camara

    The law-abiding good citizens are serfs. They need to be good regardless. It’s not like they have a choice.

    In a country that:

    1) Has the World’s Reserve Currency

    2) Relies almost entirely on Chinese imports for all consumer goods.

    3) No present danger or need for strong reliable men with high IQs and strong work ethics.

    A good citizenry is redundant. But the biggest factor is that Blacks can’t help it. The IQ averages are horrific for a developed society and are provided ample Rosa Parks propaganda to justify rioting. They can’t read, do math, or most abstract reasoning really well. But, they remember Rosa Parks from K-12.

    https://youtu.be/EmgHsOgvfDI

    Blame the Democrats for becoming addicted to needing Black votes for national elections.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Rosie, @Reg Cæsar, @Nicholas Stix

  4. ‘The hackneyed emphasis on “Why loot?” obscures the question, which black people have asked for centuries.’

    This actually reduces black people to some kind of stick figures in an ideological puppet show.

    Black people haven’t ‘asked this question for centuries.’ Of course they haven’t. That’s a ridiculous thing to claim. It’s the ‘black people’ who the author assigns attributes as necessary to serve the purposes of his argument who ‘ask this question.’ Not that they actually exist.

    In a way, it’s worse than merely being racist. I don’t like black people — but at least I discuss the black people who are actually there. This clown simply discards the entire people — who really do exist — in favor of some theoretical construct.

  5. “Why are they looting?”

    It’s the same answer as the punchline to an old joke: “Why do dogs lick their balls? Answer: Because they can.”

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @Hypnotoad666

    I think of that joke often these days.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Hypnotoad666

    Two drunks are walking down the road and see a dog licking his balls.

    One of them says, "I wish I could do that."

    The other one says, "I dunno. He looks kinda mean."

    Ba-dum!

  6. Dave3 says:

    “What Kind of Society Values Property Over Black Lives?”

    Islamic society for example. The Islamic nations along the northern edge of Black Africa apply strict Sharia law, resulting in large numbers of black bucks losing hands and feet because they’re congenitally unable to understand that stealing is wrong.

    We should allow Muslim shopkeepers to unhand thieves, and anyone who complains about it shall be arrested for Islamophobia.

    • Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV
    @Dave3

    I can't help but wonder if Islam will be the ultimate winner. The West is engaging in this bizarre form of suicide. East Asians prefer Gucci to GOO GOO GA GA and are thus shrinking rapidly. Islam, by comparison, seems very healthy.

    I may have a descendant named Muhammad Applebaum. Could be worse.

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Dave3


    Islamic society for example. The Islamic nations along the northern edge of Black Africa apply strict Sharia law, resulting in large numbers of black bucks losing hands and feet because they’re congenitally unable to understand that stealing is wrong.
     
    Lol, no, just no.
  7. ‘Tulsa was only 98 years ago, people. How many more recent events can you name? Let me see, there was FDR’s redlining and Emmett Till and … nope, that’s about it. Tulsa is the third most recent important thing ever to happen in America. Therefore, it must have caused whatever bad things blacks are doing now.’

    Tulsa also began with a black mob murderously attacking a white crowd. Look it up.

    The whites then retaliated. Back then, it was a bad idea to screw with us.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Colin Wright


    Tulsa also began with a black mob murderously attacking a white crowd. Look it up.
     
    Yup, and Blacks did most of the killing on the first day of the riot:



    Day one death toll:

    Whites: 10

    Blacks: 2

    And the high numbers of deaths that you see people tossing around (100 to 300) are just pulled out of thin air. The official tally from The Oklahoma Commission to Study the Tulsa Race Riot of 1921 is 39 deaths(counting a stillborn infant), 26 Blacks and 13 Whites, which is quite a distance from the mass slaughter of legend:

    https://www.okhistory.org/research/forms/freport.pdf

    Replies: @GW, @Jane Plain, @TomSchmidt

    , @Pop Warner
    @Colin Wright

    The white mob formed to lynch a black man for raping a white woman (women don't lie about rape, remember!) and the Tulsa police officers kept them at bay and protected the accused. It didn't spiral out of control until an armed black mob showed up and fired on the whites. The evil racist police were actually doing their job to protect a black man from a white mob but of course their complicity is always mentioned

  8. Our country was built on looting — the looting of Indigenous lands and African labor. African-Americans, in fact, have much more experience being looted than looting. The long history of “race riots” in America — in Cincinnati; Philadelphia; Detroit; New York; Memphis; Wilmington, N.C.; Atlanta; New Orleans; Springfield, Ill.; East St. Louis; Chicago; and Tulsa, Okla. — more closely resembled anti-black pogroms than ghetto rebellions. White mobs, often backed by the police, not only looted and burned black homes and businesses but also maimed and killed black people.

    Tulsa was only 98 years ago, people.

    More importantly, it was depicted on WATCHMEN:

    It provided the origin for bisexual Charles Blow’s favorite superhero, the Gay + Black Hooded Justice:

    It took a a long time, but those white supremacist bastards who destroyed Black Wall Street got true justice….

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @syonredux

    After the movie The Watchmen (directed by Zach Snyder) came out, the hero Rorschach became a cult rightist symbol, because he embodied traditional morality, unbreakable will, the male desire to be a superhero, and also the male desire the willy-nilly out of bad guys.

    In fact, Alan Moore, who wrote The Watchmen graphic novel that the movie slavishly adapted, is weird pseudo-hippie artistic type, definitely not a moral conservative. But he got really into the character of arch-conservative and violent Rorschach, drawing him (and other characters) very well.


    For those who don't know, Rorschach is basically an extremely violent version of Batman, except that he was born poor and destitute, and, unlike Batman, tortures and kills many of the bad guys he catches and has an uncompromising moral code against sex, drug use, homosexuality, etc. He's basically a 1950s kind of morality combined with a psychopathic attitude towards those who break that code.

    Here's his opening scene in the film:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARDhJ2dpuYU

    Moore said once that (spoiler alert) he didn't realize that Rorschach needed to die until he was almost done writing---and he realized only then Rorschach was the hero who needed to be the sacrificial lamb.

    The entire story can be seen as a battle between the ethos of The Comedian (who dies at the beginning) and Rorschach (who dies at the end). Both embody conservative, traditional views of social morality. The Comedian is the handsome, well-positioned, aggressive, violent traditional masculine male destroying enemies of society with open aggression---James Bond with less suaveness and more devil-may-care killing. Rorschach is the unknown, ugly, lone everyman who, born in the gutter, somehow maintains a pure morality, but is driven to extreme individual violence when society fails to clean up the filth around despite his delivering criminals to their door in a gift wrapping.

    Anyway, Rorschach's symbolism to the moral right after the movie freaked the Left out. So in this series the bad guys have all adopted Rorschach as their symbol, and the good "guys" (black female superheros and other minorities) slaughter the Rorschachs and make them squeal like cowards and little girls when they catch them. The series flopped and was cancelled after 1 season.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @syonredux

    , @Ian Smith
    @syonredux

    Mike Enoch has done a great job showing that the Tulsa Riots weren’t what they seemed. More tit-for-tat than a one sided anti-black pogrom.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Jane Plain

  9. So it’s been almost a year since Jeffrey Epstein died.

    Did we ever figure out what happened there? Like, how did he die exactly?

    Does it really take a year to figure out if one man committed “suicide?”

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @JohnnyWalker123

    And they never figured out a motive for Vegas, as well as a few other terrorisms. And there was this thing called the Panama Papers, which demonstrated that the elite pay no taxes, and never went anywhere. And Youtube used to actually have usable search options instead of its present day blunderbuss garbage.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Morton's toes, @Charon

    , @Easyrhino
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Are we sure Epstein is really dead or is he recovering from plastic surgery in some penthouse in Tel-Aviv?

  10. In America, poverty generally means not having everything you want. And taking what you want is now a God given right according to the NYT. Simple as that.

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @Charon
    @Buffalo Joe

    It's more than that. The NYT and the rest of the MSM are now explicitly saying that if there was ever an injustice perpetrated (or even claimed) against their Pampered Pets anywhere and at any time, then any and all violence against white people is justified forever after. Up to and including genocide, which by chance is exactly what the owners of the MSM are in the process of implementing.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Buffalo Joe


    In America, poverty generally means not having everything you want. And taking what you want is now a God given right according to the NYT.
     
    With a few, limited exceptions, of course.



    https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5a0a3c77bce176b25421a03c/1557869482745-QRDS9QHI3LKMYALIWXL7/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kCaLnbvJpQDxQ6_-dJiV-5F7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0ig6oRpcQ1nU40T2mk3ILCru-X2AZgsFRwQgGjgdub49rM-e9JMBYwXh08WiMHovIA/image-asset.png?format=750w
  11. Seriously, why all this hackneyed emphasis on law and order when bad stuff happens anyway?

  12. I can’t leave a comment. I am emotionally exhausted from caring.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Jim Don Bob

    I stopped caring a long time ago--it's my nature as I don't have much of a reserve of emotion. If it's not one thing, it's another. Tomorrow brings new horrors, new outrages. It's hard to keep up. Why try?

    I look at it as the comedy version of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.

  13. Thanks for keeping us au courant without actually reading the NYT.

    • Agree: Haruto Rat
  14. What is the effect of obsessing over looting?

    I know, right? If you don’t take care of your stuff, cough, cough, and you got it all on borrowed money anyway, you don’t need to care so much about yo’ shit.

    White mobs, often backed by the police, not only looted and burned black homes and businesses but also maimed and killed black people.

    Whoa, wait a minute, looted? Did they really want any of your people’s rusted, moldy, neglected crap. I call Fake News.

    I really wonder what the NY Times’ core readership, those upper-middle-class White people in NY and other big cities, think when the opinion column gets this stupid. They want to agree, especially because the writer’s a black guy, but then they look at their nice furniture, the art, that vase from the Poontang Dyanasty, and they may just need to log off for the evening and have a cognac … while the bottle’s intact.

    • LOL: ThreeCranes
    • Replies: @Charon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Not a chance. Their (white but largely FWP) readership will cheer every word. "Yeah! Stick it to the Man!" Meaning other (non FWP) white people.

  15. Maybe I didn’t do this here but I was livid a few years ago when they started deliberately Orwelling the ’67 Detroit riot as an “uprising” or “rebellion,” specifically because of the fear that it was agitation intended to bring about more rioting, and here we are.

    • Agree: Roderick Spode
  16. @syonredux

    Our country was built on looting — the looting of Indigenous lands and African labor. African-Americans, in fact, have much more experience being looted than looting. The long history of “race riots” in America — in Cincinnati; Philadelphia; Detroit; New York; Memphis; Wilmington, N.C.; Atlanta; New Orleans; Springfield, Ill.; East St. Louis; Chicago; and Tulsa, Okla. — more closely resembled anti-black pogroms than ghetto rebellions. White mobs, often backed by the police, not only looted and burned black homes and businesses but also maimed and killed black people.

     


    Tulsa was only 98 years ago, people.
     
    More importantly, it was depicted on WATCHMEN:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shw2-7uazc0


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF2XgS5GPAk


    It provided the origin for bisexual Charles Blow's favorite superhero, the Gay + Black Hooded Justice:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq9yRimuxyA



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjN3xdKS-g4


    It took a a long time, but those white supremacist bastards who destroyed Black Wall Street got true justice....


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKXQDwtu-KI

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Ian Smith

    After the movie The Watchmen (directed by Zach Snyder) came out, the hero Rorschach became a cult rightist symbol, because he embodied traditional morality, unbreakable will, the male desire to be a superhero, and also the male desire the willy-nilly out of bad guys.

    In fact, Alan Moore, who wrote The Watchmen graphic novel that the movie slavishly adapted, is weird pseudo-hippie artistic type, definitely not a moral conservative. But he got really into the character of arch-conservative and violent Rorschach, drawing him (and other characters) very well.

    For those who don’t know, Rorschach is basically an extremely violent version of Batman, except that he was born poor and destitute, and, unlike Batman, tortures and kills many of the bad guys he catches and has an uncompromising moral code against sex, drug use, homosexuality, etc. He’s basically a 1950s kind of morality combined with a psychopathic attitude towards those who break that code.

    Here’s his opening scene in the film:

    Moore said once that (spoiler alert) he didn’t realize that Rorschach needed to die until he was almost done writing—and he realized only then Rorschach was the hero who needed to be the sacrificial lamb.

    The entire story can be seen as a battle between the ethos of The Comedian (who dies at the beginning) and Rorschach (who dies at the end). Both embody conservative, traditional views of social morality. The Comedian is the handsome, well-positioned, aggressive, violent traditional masculine male destroying enemies of society with open aggression—James Bond with less suaveness and more devil-may-care killing. Rorschach is the unknown, ugly, lone everyman who, born in the gutter, somehow maintains a pure morality, but is driven to extreme individual violence when society fails to clean up the filth around despite his delivering criminals to their door in a gift wrapping.

    Anyway, Rorschach’s symbolism to the moral right after the movie freaked the Left out. So in this series the bad guys have all adopted Rorschach as their symbol, and the good “guys” (black female superheros and other minorities) slaughter the Rorschachs and make them squeal like cowards and little girls when they catch them. The series flopped and was cancelled after 1 season.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @R.G. Camara

    Rorschach is basically an extremely violent version of Batman,

    Maybe, but he was inspired by Steve Ditko's Randian character "Mr. A." From Wikipedia:


    Comics creator Alan Moore was once a member of a band the Emperors of Ice Cream which performed a Moore-penned song entitled "Mr. A." (to the tune of the Velvet Underground's song "Sister Ray") parodying Steve Ditko's political ideology. Moore later created the character Rorschach for the series Watchmen, which was based on both The Question and Mr. A. Moore related a story about an unspecified acquaintance who said he asked Ditko about whether he was familiar with Rorschach. Reportedly, Ditko acknowledged Rorschach as being "like Mr. A except insane".
     

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @syonredux
    @R.G. Camara

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/23/09/50/23095069200e1c9490286c82793e57af.jpg

  17. It’s not looting, it’s only amateur redistribution. baby steps, baby.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @dr kill

    I like 'improvisational economic justice', myself.

  18. They did not allow readers to comment on this article.
    Very telling.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Undocumented Shopper

    Much of the problem with the left is that they keep shutting down conversations that disagree with them. Consequently, there's no one on the left who utters centrist or common-sense opinions. This makes the left subject to extreme groupthink, and they keep urging each other to go farther and father out on that tree limb. By now, that limb is cracking and sagging.

    I think the wipeout the left is going to see in November is going to make British Labour's wipeout look trivial in comparison.

    , @PSR
    @Undocumented Shopper

    Haven't most papers quit allowing on-line comments? I know our local paper - The Columbus Dispatch (actually not 'local' anymore but owned by whomever publishes USA Today, and it shows) -quit allowing comments claiming they were getting too extreme. Funnily enough they publish a Sunday section called The Conversation. You can guess what the lectures are typically about.

    Slightly OT, this paper is now published in Indianapolis which is about 4 hours away. I predict its final demise in hard copy format will occur when sports start up again and people realize yesterday's games, unless they started at noon, aren't covered in the next day's paper. Do they imagine sports fans will wait two days to read a summary of games in the sports they're interested in?

    Replies: @Undocumented Shopper

    , @Abolish_public_education
    @Undocumented Shopper

    Since public education has not yet been abolished, one can contact Profster Kelley at his office:

    [email protected]

  19. J.Ross says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    So it's been almost a year since Jeffrey Epstein died.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Uk7XRbf_w

    Did we ever figure out what happened there? Like, how did he die exactly?

    Does it really take a year to figure out if one man committed "suicide?"

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Easyrhino

    And they never figured out a motive for Vegas, as well as a few other terrorisms. And there was this thing called the Panama Papers, which demonstrated that the elite pay no taxes, and never went anywhere. And Youtube used to actually have usable search options instead of its present day blunderbuss garbage.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @J.Ross

    Las Vegas is just one more on the long list of FBI failures/coverups that never get mentioned.

    Largest mass shooting in U.S. history by an old guy with no criminal record or history of violence or firearms ownership who used firepower that it was incredibly difficult, illegal, and expensive to possess and meticulously planned his murder spree.

    *Poof*

    Down the memory hole.

    The FBI is corrupt, kids. This is why Antifa is running roughshod over our cities.

    P.S. The only two things I can think that it was: (1) an attempted use of MKULTRA brainwashing by someone who wanted to get people killed; or (2) a diversionary tactic from some nefarious crime going on elsewhere.

    The key is the supposed shooter. Why the fcuk would a normal law-abiding guy do it? Blackmail or brainwashing?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Lot, @BenKenobi, @Hypnotoad666, @Bostonvegas

    , @Morton's toes
    @J.Ross

    My money is they know exactly what the motive was in Las Vegas.

    The hotel was filled with Saudi royalty the night of the shooting and the mass arrest of royals in Saudi Arabia happened 5 days later.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E2%80%9319_Saudi_Arabian_purge

    But they are our bad guys so we tolerate this crap.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Charon
    @J.Ross

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-data-ransomware-grubman-law-firm-madonna-2020-5

    Another big scary story that suddenly vanished..

  20. The arc of the moral universe is long but it bends toward…looting the liquor store.

    Crown Royal for e’ery body!

  21. Anonymous[302] • Disclaimer says:

    There needs to be YouTube and Twitter love, thanks and respect bombs given to law enforcement.

    Those can go viral.

    Remember the cops are the Hobbits and as the Returned King said “You my friends, bow to no one.”

  22. Would Prof Kelley’s emphatic perspective change if any of her own near-and-dear possessions were looted? Just askin!

  23. @syonredux

    Our country was built on looting — the looting of Indigenous lands and African labor. African-Americans, in fact, have much more experience being looted than looting. The long history of “race riots” in America — in Cincinnati; Philadelphia; Detroit; New York; Memphis; Wilmington, N.C.; Atlanta; New Orleans; Springfield, Ill.; East St. Louis; Chicago; and Tulsa, Okla. — more closely resembled anti-black pogroms than ghetto rebellions. White mobs, often backed by the police, not only looted and burned black homes and businesses but also maimed and killed black people.

     


    Tulsa was only 98 years ago, people.
     
    More importantly, it was depicted on WATCHMEN:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shw2-7uazc0


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF2XgS5GPAk


    It provided the origin for bisexual Charles Blow's favorite superhero, the Gay + Black Hooded Justice:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq9yRimuxyA



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjN3xdKS-g4


    It took a a long time, but those white supremacist bastards who destroyed Black Wall Street got true justice....


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKXQDwtu-KI

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Ian Smith

    Mike Enoch has done a great job showing that the Tulsa Riots weren’t what they seemed. More tit-for-tat than a one sided anti-black pogrom.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @Ian Smith


    Mike Enoch has done a great job showing that the Tulsa Riots weren’t what they seemed. More tit-for-tat than a one sided anti-black pogrom.
     
    Could have started as A then turned to B.
    , @Jane Plain
    @Ian Smith

    Jesus. I listened to the podcast, and it's Mike Enoch Mike Enoching.

    When it's left to the likes of Mike Enoch to be the opposition, we are so fucked.

  24. Art Deco says:

    I’ve been noodling around GoogleScholar to locate an example of his scholarship – i.e. papers written consequent to archival and / or archaeological research. I find one monograph, which was a re-working of his dissertation. The man has placed dozens of articles in obscure periodicals over three decades, but he has done almost no original research. Essays, broadsides, book reviews, commentaries, but no original research. To give you an idea, Paul Sweezy’s Monthly Review is one of the more extensively distributed publications in which his writing has appeared. He did produce a chapter for an anthology assembled by Howard Zinn (who himself produced just 3 or 4 original works over a period of 55 years).

    In the ordinary course of affairs, he might be an associate professor at a sketchy teaching institution. As we speak, he has an endowed chair at a research university (itself a Public Ivy). He’s a parody academic. This is how white privilege works.

    • Thanks: Pop Warner
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Art Deco

    The "D.G." is pretentious too, considering there aren't other publications from the same name in his discipline, now or 20 years ago (contrast w/ "C. Wilson" or "B. Schwarz" or "A. Park" in most fields). Or is that just his official SAG credit? He needs to face up to the fact that he is the "R. Kelly" of Robin Kelleys

    From 2009 book jacket:


    Robin D.G. Kelley is a professor of history and American studies and ethnicity at the University of Southern California. From 2003-2006, he was the William B. Ransford Professor of Cultural and Historical Studies at Columbia Univeristy. From 1994-2003, he was a professor of history and Africana Studies at New York University as well the chairman of NYU's history department from 2002-2003. One of the youngest tenured professors in a full academic discipline--at the age of 32--Kelley has spent most of his career exploring American and African-American history with a particular emphasis on African-American musical culture, including jazz and hip-hop.
     
    , @William Badwhite
    @Art Deco

    AD, a hearty congrats is in order.

    You provided citations rather than mere assertion, you wrote clearly and in 21st century English, you didn't start a sentence with "no clue why...", and your last paragraph provided a nice summary and conclusion to the rest of your post.

    Additionally, your post was on-topic rather than merely an admonishment of some other poster.

    Your work is getting better and you're growing up. Keep up the progress and even Mr. Anon is going to have to give credit.

    , @Jane Plain
    @Art Deco

    It's Elite White Ivy Privilege.

    Put any clown you want into an endowed chair. Watch the rest of the world take the buffoon seriously.

    If that isn't privilege, what is?

  25. I don’t think white people have a question about looting. They have a statement about looting: people should stop looting if they want to be taken seriously. This is a pretty obvious point that escapes people like Robin Kelley because they don’t want to deal with it.

    I would actually agree that this is wrong:

    “municipal courts engage in their own form of looting by issuing and collecting excessive fines and fees from vulnerable communities. A 2017 report by the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights found that “municipalities that rely heavily on revenue from fines and fees have a higher than average percentage of African-American and Latino populations.”

    I don’t think operating off of fines is the way to go. I believe that low income people can get themselves in undeserved trouble over fines. But then I also believe that black lives matter and that we need to attack the main problem which is black and brown against black and brown violence.

    If things are going to change for the better for blacks in this country the truth must be told. Black people don’t need or deserve spokespeople like Robin Kelley who just deliver words that don’t matter.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @notsaying

    I think govt income=looting is a position you can find on the right. Howevee, the bit about municipalities that rely on fines being heavily minority... I want to see the data... because the rest of the article is filled with half-truths...

    Replies: @Charlotte

    , @Charon
    @notsaying


    I also believe that black lives matter and that we need to attack the main problem which is black and brown against black and brown violence.

     

    Oh, so true sister! May I call you sister? Because from your writing you sound like a nice old white lady, maybe 75 years old or so. Please write back! I love pen pals. Why not go out on a limb and explain why black-on-white crime doesn't trouble you, even a little.

    Replies: @notsaying

  26. Looting= undocumented shopping

  27. The average reader of NYT is an upper-middle-class liberal, so their comments under the articles are not representative.

    But one can still notice trends. Initially, the comments under the articles about demonstrations were supportive, even enthusiastic.
    But the enthusiasm turned to hostility when the articles were about looting or defunding police or the Seattle police-free zone.
    Even upper-middle-class liberals know that they are being gaslighted.

  28. Lot says:

    Conspiracy theory: A Biden blowout would have been awful for MSM ratings, so they are hoping to make it a lot closer by “foregrounding” the nuttiest and most obnoxious leftists and boxing Biden into choosing a pro-BLM VP. Maybe Kamala (she/her), who also brings to the table a careerist barren womb, white corporate lawyer husband who lives 600 miles away, sassy hectoring vocal fry, and history of banging her elderly married boss (and having him appoint her to a state board that pays a ton of money and which she had no qualifications for).

    Biden/Harris 2020 – Waiting for whitey to just die already.

    It isn’t that they want Trump to actually win, but that they’d hate 2020 to end up a low-ratings snoozer like 1984 or 1996.

    The main problem with this theory is a common one—it probably assumes too much foresight, intelligence, and organization on the part of America’s corrupt elites.

    • Replies: @Fluesterwitz
    @Lot

    Also, wouldn't this be a lot like 2016, when corporate media tried, more successful than bargained for, to spice up the expected boring Clinton coronation?

  29. anon[169] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s too easy to have opinions these days. Any off-hand slander or nonsense is published and spread via the internet. No one has to pay for their opinions in the crucible of public scrutiny (except for the political right).

    But to answer this nonsense: because of looting and arson and rising crime rates and murder, whites flee the city. Blacks flee the city. Asians flee the city. Native Americans and Pacific Islanders flee the city. It’s not white flight – it’s everybody flight. Cats and dogs and birds and bees flee the city.
    Murder and arson seem to have this affect on living creatures.
    The only people who stay in the city are predators who like murder and the people, mostly black, who are too poor to get out and thus become the prey.
    Look at the rise in murder rates in the decade of the 70’s compared to the decade of the 50’s, a more than doubling of the murder rate. This rate increase accounts for 98,000 additional murders from 1970-1979.
    The problem with looting is 98,000 murders, a number that is much larger than the 56,000 Americans killed in Vietnam. A number that dwarfs the tiny, tiny number of people killed each year from unwarranted police killings.
    And by the way, what IS the actual number of people who are wrongly killed by the police in a year? Is it 10? 20 at most? Robin Kelly is supposed to know this number. He is supposed to have documentation to back up this number and be able to defend it against reasoned scrutiny.
    Whether it is 10 or 20, it is not 98,000.

  30. @R.G. Camara
    @syonredux

    After the movie The Watchmen (directed by Zach Snyder) came out, the hero Rorschach became a cult rightist symbol, because he embodied traditional morality, unbreakable will, the male desire to be a superhero, and also the male desire the willy-nilly out of bad guys.

    In fact, Alan Moore, who wrote The Watchmen graphic novel that the movie slavishly adapted, is weird pseudo-hippie artistic type, definitely not a moral conservative. But he got really into the character of arch-conservative and violent Rorschach, drawing him (and other characters) very well.


    For those who don't know, Rorschach is basically an extremely violent version of Batman, except that he was born poor and destitute, and, unlike Batman, tortures and kills many of the bad guys he catches and has an uncompromising moral code against sex, drug use, homosexuality, etc. He's basically a 1950s kind of morality combined with a psychopathic attitude towards those who break that code.

    Here's his opening scene in the film:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARDhJ2dpuYU

    Moore said once that (spoiler alert) he didn't realize that Rorschach needed to die until he was almost done writing---and he realized only then Rorschach was the hero who needed to be the sacrificial lamb.

    The entire story can be seen as a battle between the ethos of The Comedian (who dies at the beginning) and Rorschach (who dies at the end). Both embody conservative, traditional views of social morality. The Comedian is the handsome, well-positioned, aggressive, violent traditional masculine male destroying enemies of society with open aggression---James Bond with less suaveness and more devil-may-care killing. Rorschach is the unknown, ugly, lone everyman who, born in the gutter, somehow maintains a pure morality, but is driven to extreme individual violence when society fails to clean up the filth around despite his delivering criminals to their door in a gift wrapping.

    Anyway, Rorschach's symbolism to the moral right after the movie freaked the Left out. So in this series the bad guys have all adopted Rorschach as their symbol, and the good "guys" (black female superheros and other minorities) slaughter the Rorschachs and make them squeal like cowards and little girls when they catch them. The series flopped and was cancelled after 1 season.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @syonredux

    Rorschach is basically an extremely violent version of Batman,

    Maybe, but he was inspired by Steve Ditko’s Randian character “Mr. A.” From Wikipedia:

    Comics creator Alan Moore was once a member of a band the Emperors of Ice Cream which performed a Moore-penned song entitled “Mr. A.” (to the tune of the Velvet Underground’s song “Sister Ray”) parodying Steve Ditko’s political ideology. Moore later created the character Rorschach for the series Watchmen, which was based on both The Question and Mr. A. Moore related a story about an unspecified acquaintance who said he asked Ditko about whether he was familiar with Rorschach. Reportedly, Ditko acknowledged Rorschach as being “like Mr. A except insane”.

    • Thanks: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Harry Baldwin

    Ditko was extremely talented and worked widely. Recently NPR did a story about Reveal's Al Ledson reminding the audience he's a comic book nerd, and him or another "journalist" badgering a present-day comic book artist for working on Goldstein's Lies: The Comic. At one point the "journalist" [has what was probably, in his head, a David Frost moment and] asks if the artist just didn't care about the ideology of the funnybook he was working on.
    Mr A is apparently being anthologized and online iterations of it have either expired or been taken down.
    Reveal piece on HATE! comics:
    https://www.revealnews.org/episodes/hate-in-the-homeland/

  31. Indeed, white people, among them far-right provocateurs, have engaged in looting and destruction of property during the current protests; there is ample video evidence from across the country. There are also videos of black organizers asking them to stop because the police will “blame that on us.”

    It’s been interesting to watch in real time as the elite have grappled with how to frame white looters and vandals within the overall narrative. I thought they’d go with, ‘see, everyone’s looting, not just blacks’. The secret right-winger angle was a surprise.

    As for Antifa, our masters are wavering between, ‘it doesn’t exist, it’s just a right-wing conspiracy theory’ and, ‘it does exist and it’s great’ (Teen Vogue).

    The diverse explanations and uncertain language used here in the NPC mainframe, the NYT, indicates that they have not yet settled on their story. When they do, all Good Whites will believe it with a fury, and will deny ever having thought anything different.

  32. Just over a century ago, blacks were considered valuable property.

    What a change we have seen since then, eh?

    • Thanks: ThreeCranes
    • Replies: @LittleNano
    @Dr. Doom

    Depreciation...

    , @James Speaks
    @Dr. Doom

    Just over a century ago was, like, thw years of WWI.

  33. Robin D. G. Kelley has figured out that if you just describe every human interaction as a different form of looting, then actual looting is nothing much to get excited about. I mean, isn’t going on a date, earning a paycheck, and taking a walk in the woods just a different kind of looting, if you think about it a certain way?

    • Agree: sayless
  34. Anybody else experiencing a serious case of “Negro fatigue”? If they keep pushing society too far, Blacks might find out that nobody gives a damn about them anymore and their precious lives and whimsical demands and tantrums, certainly not Hispanics, even less so Asians, not even Whites.

    • Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV
    @BB753

    Well, apparently there is going to be a new federal holiday for blacks, Juneteenth. I had never heard of it until Trump's speech was announced and the Chrome spell check also hasn't heard of it, but here we are. Who is sponsoring it in the Senate? John Cornyn.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  35. Funny how they don’t seem to care about the people killed in the rioting and looting, even if they’re black…
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_David_Dorn

  36. @notsaying
    I don't think white people have a question about looting. They have a statement about looting: people should stop looting if they want to be taken seriously. This is a pretty obvious point that escapes people like Robin Kelley because they don't want to deal with it.

    I would actually agree that this is wrong:

    "municipal courts engage in their own form of looting by issuing and collecting excessive fines and fees from vulnerable communities. A 2017 report by the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights found that “municipalities that rely heavily on revenue from fines and fees have a higher than average percentage of African-American and Latino populations.”

    I don't think operating off of fines is the way to go. I believe that low income people can get themselves in undeserved trouble over fines. But then I also believe that black lives matter and that we need to attack the main problem which is black and brown against black and brown violence.

    If things are going to change for the better for blacks in this country the truth must be told. Black people don't need or deserve spokespeople like Robin Kelley who just deliver words that don't matter.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Charon

    I think govt income=looting is a position you can find on the right. Howevee, the bit about municipalities that rely on fines being heavily minority… I want to see the data… because the rest of the article is filled with half-truths…

    • Replies: @Charlotte
    @Chrisnonymous

    I wonder if these municipalities turn to fines because property values are low, and property taxes don’t bring in much money? Or is it more of a racket for the benefit of city employees?

  37. @J.Ross
    @JohnnyWalker123

    And they never figured out a motive for Vegas, as well as a few other terrorisms. And there was this thing called the Panama Papers, which demonstrated that the elite pay no taxes, and never went anywhere. And Youtube used to actually have usable search options instead of its present day blunderbuss garbage.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Morton's toes, @Charon

    Las Vegas is just one more on the long list of FBI failures/coverups that never get mentioned.

    Largest mass shooting in U.S. history by an old guy with no criminal record or history of violence or firearms ownership who used firepower that it was incredibly difficult, illegal, and expensive to possess and meticulously planned his murder spree.

    *Poof*

    Down the memory hole.

    The FBI is corrupt, kids. This is why Antifa is running roughshod over our cities.

    P.S. The only two things I can think that it was: (1) an attempted use of MKULTRA brainwashing by someone who wanted to get people killed; or (2) a diversionary tactic from some nefarious crime going on elsewhere.

    The key is the supposed shooter. Why the fcuk would a normal law-abiding guy do it? Blackmail or brainwashing?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @R.G. Camara

    who used firepower that it was incredibly difficult, illegal, and expensive to possess and meticulously planned his murder spree.

    I'm finding vendors on the internet who have inventory listings for the weapons he had, though some are listed as out of stock.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @J.Ross, @Ozymandias

    , @Lot
    @R.G. Camara

    “ The key is the supposed shooter. Why the fcuk would a normal law-abiding guy do it? ”

    Just a normal dude who was addicted to video poker, alcohol, and valium and whose father was on the FBI ten most wanted list (for escaping from prison where he was serving time for a string of bank robberies) and whose brother was really into kiddie porn.

    “ firepower that it was incredibly difficult, illegal, and expensive to possess ”

    The shooting was with an AR-15 type semiauto, which are not illegal in Nevada and most other states and not expensive. The bump stock used to fire rapidly cost about $100 and was also legal in 2017.

    There’s nothing abnormal about a reclusive old rich guy in rural Nevada having an AR-15. He made more than $5 million from the sale of an apartment building, though he had gambled a fair amount away by 2017.

    , @BenKenobi
    @R.G. Camara

    It was all very strange. Shady Pinoy wife, the wacky coke-fuelled interview his brother gave from the front lawn, pretty sure a second brother went down for 'cheese pizza' shortly thereafter.

    There's also the Saudi angle that Morton mentioned.

    Like you said, diversion. It feels like somebody's plan went tits-up that night and opening fire on the crowd was improvised on the spot. To what end, I have no idea.

    Who or what flew in to or out of McCarran during the incident?

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @R.G. Camara


    The FBI is corrupt, kids. This is why Antifa is running roughshod over our cities.
     
    Because of the way they have to recruit large numbers of knuckleheads and losers as their front line troops, Antifa would be exceptionally easy to infiltrate. Same with the money trail and organizers.

    But the FBI has been utterly uninterested. Instead putting vast resources into practically non-existent "white supremacist" groups that are mostly just a few kids on the internet.

    Antifa however seem to be protected by elements of the Democratic party that more or less control the FBI.
    , @Bostonvegas
    @R.G. Camara

    The vegas cover up is a complete embarrassment...no one (literally) believes the official story....I actually got to ask sherriff Lombardi about the incident on a local radio show and am pretty sure he lied....no one who was on the ground that night believes in the one shooter scenario...vegas strong my ass

  38. @Colin Wright
    'Tulsa was only 98 years ago, people. How many more recent events can you name? Let me see, there was FDR’s redlining and Emmett Till and … nope, that’s about it. Tulsa is the third most recent important thing ever to happen in America. Therefore, it must have caused whatever bad things blacks are doing now.'

    Tulsa also began with a black mob murderously attacking a white crowd. Look it up.

    The whites then retaliated. Back then, it was a bad idea to screw with us.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Pop Warner

    Tulsa also began with a black mob murderously attacking a white crowd. Look it up.

    Yup, and Blacks did most of the killing on the first day of the riot:

    Day one death toll:

    Whites: 10

    Blacks: 2

    And the high numbers of deaths that you see people tossing around (100 to 300) are just pulled out of thin air. The official tally from The Oklahoma Commission to Study the Tulsa Race Riot of 1921 is 39 deaths(counting a stillborn infant), 26 Blacks and 13 Whites, which is quite a distance from the mass slaughter of legend:

    https://www.okhistory.org/research/forms/freport.pdf

    • Thanks: Roderick Spode, Charon
    • Replies: @GW
    @syonredux

    Even the Wikipedia article makes mention of the black involvement. The fact this incident is being trotted out as a one-sided example of white on black racism means we’re in a worse world than 1984.

    The truth doesn’t even have to be suppressed, people will willfully choose to ignore what’s obvious for their own foolish lies.

    Replies: @mahern

    , @Jane Plain
    @syonredux

    Thanks. I've always thought that 300 number made no sense & wondered where it came from.

    They also claim that Tulsa was bombed. Really?

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @TomSchmidt
    @syonredux

    But...but... 60 Minutes didn't mention any of this. It's like they whitewashed the story.

  39. Rob says:

    Normie: Why do blacks loot? Don’t they know it hurts the economic dynamism in the short, medium, and long term? Not to mention the violence makes them mush less sympathetic.

    Progressive: African-American P’s African ancestors were dragged here in chains.Subjected to a nightmare middle passage that they didn’t know would not last years, and lasted the rest of their lives for a third of them! Then they were worked like beasts of burden! Then they were subjected to abuses by revanchist Southern whites that are too cruel to be imagined. Many fled for the North when mechanized farming meant they were eqonmically superfluous. In the North they were crowded into ghettoes, and segregated by white flight! Even today, African American Americans are segregated into terrible schools. Those few blacks who escaped the ghetto see their children treated as ineducable thugs, and segregated into remedial classes! The police act like an occupying army in black neighborhoods, which are plagued by crime and murder!

    White peoples did all these things to them! African-AmericanS are filled with seething white-hot rage at whites! They hate us an the people who run stores in the ghetto that overcharge them, and don’t even make healthy food available. Of course they take their anger out on the representatives of whites! They hate us all, and it’s justified! The debt can never be repaid!

    You should hire blacks, and want them in your neighborhood!

    Normie: if they hate me that much, I think I maybe won’t seek to have more blacks in my life, they sound angry and dangerous.

    Progressive: Racist!

    [MORE]

    In faurness to blacks, had they wanted to kill white people, a lot of people would have been killed before order was restored. The anger seemed mostly targeted at cops, the agents trying to enforce white norms on them so ‘nice’ progressive whites in cities can sleep safely and with a clear conscience.

    In other news, the narrative that white agents provocateur fron the far right were behind the looting and arson is what their going with? Really? I have a feeling if even one were found, we would have heard the news continuously. Why didn’t the peaceful, law-abiding blacks stop whites from setting fires. That said, I have no doubt that white leftists were partly to blame for violence. Pallets of bricks at convenient locations. Incitements to violence…

    Black people know they would come out badly in racial violence. Whites still exert significant power in the voting booth, through cops, and economically.

    White progressives are confident that they would stomp the deplorables if the gloves came off.

    They have no idea how many ‘progressive’ white men would jump ship. They don’t realize that blacks and Hispanics don’t like each other. Have no idea that blacks dislike them. They don’ t know how vulnerable the cities are to disruption, because women are totally uninterested in infrastructure. Hell, many progressive women would follow their boyfriends to our side.

    They think because the cities have all the money, they have the economic might. A lot the stock in companies with outsourced manufacturing is owned by progressives, but I am pretty sure America is disliked enough in countries where the factories are that there would be a lot of nationalization of American factories if the US government and military were flailing at home.

    They think the military would stay loyal, forgetting who fills the combat arms. Their politically chosen general will be less capable than the majors and colonels promoted for merit who jump ship, Hell, they might make all high officers promoted for politics, but they won’t be very good. If I recall correctly, South Vietnam and Cambodia under Lon Nol had a lot of generals.

    I read somewhere on the internet after the first round of BLM that progressives think of political violence as a thermostat that they turn up and down when they need to. Conservatives think of political violence as a switch between ‘no political violence’ and ‘kill all the enemy. It is only a matter of time before the thermostat goes so hot that the switch flips.

    Given that Trump is a ‘fascist’, and this is the most important election ever in America, what are the odds of antifa disrupting deplorables’ voting. Maybe at polling stations, maybe individuals who look like Trumpets. I can see it happening. They want to disrupt fascism…

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Rob

    Blacks hate everybody: Jews, gentiles, Hispanics, Asians. They hate everybody.

    None of us should take it personally. It's obviously nothing to do with what we did (or didn't) do. It's just the way blacks are.

    They hate.

    Replies: @TTSSYF, @Patriot, @J.Ross

  40. @J.Ross
    @JohnnyWalker123

    And they never figured out a motive for Vegas, as well as a few other terrorisms. And there was this thing called the Panama Papers, which demonstrated that the elite pay no taxes, and never went anywhere. And Youtube used to actually have usable search options instead of its present day blunderbuss garbage.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Morton's toes, @Charon

    My money is they know exactly what the motive was in Las Vegas.

    The hotel was filled with Saudi royalty the night of the shooting and the mass arrest of royals in Saudi Arabia happened 5 days later.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E2%80%9319_Saudi_Arabian_purge

    But they are our bad guys so we tolerate this crap.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Morton's toes

    Okay, what's your Saudi-linked theory on the Las Vegas massacre?

    Replies: @Daniel Williams, @J.Ross, @Morton's toes

  41. Patriot says:

    Hahaha! Pure bulls**t. I’ve been in 2 riots and everyone was gleefully looting for the pure joy of it and to get free stuff. If you watch videos of current looting you will see them squeeling and laughing with pure joy.

    Nutin better than free s**t.

    Watch also Bait Car. Note the euphoria when they think they just got a free car. Nope, no politics involved. Just free stuff..

  42. If America is so anti-black, why do these articles get published?

    • Agree: Lowe
  43. @Buffalo Joe
    In America, poverty generally means not having everything you want. And taking what you want is now a God given right according to the NYT. Simple as that.

    Replies: @Charon, @Reg Cæsar

    It’s more than that. The NYT and the rest of the MSM are now explicitly saying that if there was ever an injustice perpetrated (or even claimed) against their Pampered Pets anywhere and at any time, then any and all violence against white people is justified forever after. Up to and including genocide, which by chance is exactly what the owners of the MSM are in the process of implementing.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  44. @R.G. Camara
    @syonredux

    After the movie The Watchmen (directed by Zach Snyder) came out, the hero Rorschach became a cult rightist symbol, because he embodied traditional morality, unbreakable will, the male desire to be a superhero, and also the male desire the willy-nilly out of bad guys.

    In fact, Alan Moore, who wrote The Watchmen graphic novel that the movie slavishly adapted, is weird pseudo-hippie artistic type, definitely not a moral conservative. But he got really into the character of arch-conservative and violent Rorschach, drawing him (and other characters) very well.


    For those who don't know, Rorschach is basically an extremely violent version of Batman, except that he was born poor and destitute, and, unlike Batman, tortures and kills many of the bad guys he catches and has an uncompromising moral code against sex, drug use, homosexuality, etc. He's basically a 1950s kind of morality combined with a psychopathic attitude towards those who break that code.

    Here's his opening scene in the film:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARDhJ2dpuYU

    Moore said once that (spoiler alert) he didn't realize that Rorschach needed to die until he was almost done writing---and he realized only then Rorschach was the hero who needed to be the sacrificial lamb.

    The entire story can be seen as a battle between the ethos of The Comedian (who dies at the beginning) and Rorschach (who dies at the end). Both embody conservative, traditional views of social morality. The Comedian is the handsome, well-positioned, aggressive, violent traditional masculine male destroying enemies of society with open aggression---James Bond with less suaveness and more devil-may-care killing. Rorschach is the unknown, ugly, lone everyman who, born in the gutter, somehow maintains a pure morality, but is driven to extreme individual violence when society fails to clean up the filth around despite his delivering criminals to their door in a gift wrapping.

    Anyway, Rorschach's symbolism to the moral right after the movie freaked the Left out. So in this series the bad guys have all adopted Rorschach as their symbol, and the good "guys" (black female superheros and other minorities) slaughter the Rorschachs and make them squeal like cowards and little girls when they catch them. The series flopped and was cancelled after 1 season.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @syonredux

  45. @Achmed E. Newman

    What is the effect of obsessing over looting?
     
    I know, right? If you don't take care of your stuff, cough, cough, and you got it all on borrowed money anyway, you don't need to care so much about yo' shit.

    White mobs, often backed by the police, not only looted and burned black homes and businesses but also maimed and killed black people.
     
    Whoa, wait a minute, looted? Did they really want any of your people's rusted, moldy, neglected crap. I call Fake News.

    I really wonder what the NY Times' core readership, those upper-middle-class White people in NY and other big cities, think when the opinion column gets this stupid. They want to agree, especially because the writer's a black guy, but then they look at their nice furniture, the art, that vase from the Poontang Dyanasty, and they may just need to log off for the evening and have a cognac ... while the bottle's intact.

    Replies: @Charon

    Not a chance. Their (white but largely FWP) readership will cheer every word. “Yeah! Stick it to the Man!” Meaning other (non FWP) white people.

  46. Charon says:
    @notsaying
    I don't think white people have a question about looting. They have a statement about looting: people should stop looting if they want to be taken seriously. This is a pretty obvious point that escapes people like Robin Kelley because they don't want to deal with it.

    I would actually agree that this is wrong:

    "municipal courts engage in their own form of looting by issuing and collecting excessive fines and fees from vulnerable communities. A 2017 report by the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights found that “municipalities that rely heavily on revenue from fines and fees have a higher than average percentage of African-American and Latino populations.”

    I don't think operating off of fines is the way to go. I believe that low income people can get themselves in undeserved trouble over fines. But then I also believe that black lives matter and that we need to attack the main problem which is black and brown against black and brown violence.

    If things are going to change for the better for blacks in this country the truth must be told. Black people don't need or deserve spokespeople like Robin Kelley who just deliver words that don't matter.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Charon

    I also believe that black lives matter and that we need to attack the main problem which is black and brown against black and brown violence.

    Oh, so true sister! May I call you sister? Because from your writing you sound like a nice old white lady, maybe 75 years old or so. Please write back! I love pen pals. Why not go out on a limb and explain why black-on-white crime doesn’t trouble you, even a little.

    • Replies: @notsaying
    @Charon

    Of course black on white crime bothers me. All crime bothers me. But what all the discussion has been about recently are the things that negatively affect blacks.

    What are you saying? What's wrong with not focussing on white people?

    Replies: @Redman

  47. @Morton's toes
    @J.Ross

    My money is they know exactly what the motive was in Las Vegas.

    The hotel was filled with Saudi royalty the night of the shooting and the mass arrest of royals in Saudi Arabia happened 5 days later.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E2%80%9319_Saudi_Arabian_purge

    But they are our bad guys so we tolerate this crap.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Okay, what’s your Saudi-linked theory on the Las Vegas massacre?

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams
    @Steve Sailer


    Okay, what’s your Saudi-linked theory on the Las Vegas massacre?
     
    What Las Vegas massacre? Did the Ku Klux Klan bomb a black neighborhood in Las Vegas?
    , @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    --Saudi ownership of upper floors of relevant building
    --Saudi ruling class embroiled in a war over succession
    --Saudi successor and radical reformer in town that night, wearing preposterous red sneakers, confirmed and on multiple security cameras
    --Saudi noble bad guys interned later in a Saudi hotel and asked extraordinary questions
    I'm totally on board it with it possibly being a failed assassination attempt. I don't have an explanation for it becoming the last act of The Jackal: we failed the assassination attempt, so instead of quietly escaping to reattempt later, let's kill a huge number of totally unrelated bystanders and end any chance we had at escape.
    Then again there were an undeniably huge number of rage attacks by lefties, to include an attempted assassination of congressmen, and the putative ideology of country music fans would be the target of "motiveless" shooters like James Hodgkinson.
    Maybe two groups met and fell out?
    I don't see a case for anything else or for the special airport which was nearby, which was thought to have been a target at one point.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bostonvegas

    , @Morton's toes
    @Steve Sailer

    This is not my theory.

    There are reports the crown prince was there playing cards, getting drunk, screwing hookers. There was an assassination attempt that was foiled or betrayed or reneged or something and the massacres of civilians was a throw up a bunch of fog and cover our tracks as best we can.

    Paddock was the gun supplier to the Saudi squad squad. They should have farmed it out to their mossad buddies.

    Now I have not seen conclusive evidence for this theory. I also have not seen any theory elsewhere that fits the facts we do all know one tiny teeny eentsy weentsy bit better.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  48. Rorschach from the Watchmen movie is kinda like Ed Norton’s character in American History X: their creators nailed the ethos of a group of people about whom they likely felt little (acknowledged) sympathy.

    I bet a lot of people left those movies thinking, “That stuff Rorschach/Derek Vinyard was saying made a lot of sense.”

  49. @Steve Sailer
    @Morton's toes

    Okay, what's your Saudi-linked theory on the Las Vegas massacre?

    Replies: @Daniel Williams, @J.Ross, @Morton's toes

    Okay, what’s your Saudi-linked theory on the Las Vegas massacre?

    What Las Vegas massacre? Did the Ku Klux Klan bomb a black neighborhood in Las Vegas?

  50. Our country was built on looting

    And once they looted those rockets from Native Americans, I guess you could say white people’s looting really took off.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @PiltdownMan

    Not to mention the wheel...

  51. I found it ironic that the New York Stock Exchange went silent for 8 minutes 46 seconds during George Floyd’s funeral, even though Wall Street has profited from police misconduct. Cities and counties sometimes have to issue bonds to pay out these settlements; banks collect fees for their services and investors earn interest

    Using this logic, the beneficiaries of the payouts that necessitate the bonds are even more complicit.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @kaganovitch

    The beneficiaries of the payouts are complicit in the misconduct. Perfect!

    It's as if the writer has uncovered a tacit conspiracy between the police and the victims of misconduct to fleece the taxpayers.

    Police: We'll treat you to some rough justice to keep up our bona fides with taxpayers.
    Man on the street: And I'll sue the city for a lottery ticket payday. It's a win-win.

  52. J.Ross says:
    June 19, 2020 at 1:03 am GMT • 100 Words   
    @Harry Baldwin
    @R.G. Camara

    Rorschach is basically an extremely violent version of Batman,

    Maybe, but he was inspired by Steve Ditko's Randian character "Mr. A." From Wikipedia:


    Comics creator Alan Moore was once a member of a band the Emperors of Ice Cream which performed a Moore-penned song entitled "Mr. A." (to the tune of the Velvet Underground's song "Sister Ray") parodying Steve Ditko's political ideology. Moore later created the character Rorschach for the series Watchmen, which was based on both The Question and Mr. A. Moore related a story about an unspecified acquaintance who said he asked Ditko about whether he was familiar with Rorschach. Reportedly, Ditko acknowledged Rorschach as being "like Mr. A except insane".
     

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Ditko was extremely talented and worked widely. Recently NPR did a story about Reveal’s Al Ledson reminding the audience he’s a comic book nerd, and him or another “journalist” badgering a present-day comic book artist for working on Goldstein’s Lies: The Comic. At one point the “journalist” [has what was probably, in his head, a David Frost moment and] asks if the artist just didn’t care about the ideology of the funnybook he was working on.
    Mr A is apparently being anthologized and online iterations of it have either expired or been taken down.
    Reveal piece on HATE! comics:
    https://www.revealnews.org/episodes/hate-in-the-homeland/

  53. @dr kill
    It's not looting, it's only amateur redistribution. baby steps, baby.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    I like ‘improvisational economic justice’, myself.

  54. Rob says:
    June 19, 2020 at 1:10 am GMT • 400 Words   

    There’s a lot I don’t like about the nationalist-populist right. Not least how awful a civil war would be(I’d do badly), but the science denialism doesn’t bode well for solving problems.

    Some of it I think is due to situational alliances. Global warming denialism is because oil is a big industry and export, and the oil industry is reliably conservative. But that’s just because the Republicans value corporate profits over a cleaner environment. If we reshored manufacturing, then there would be more conservative, profitable industries.

    Maybe reshoring will happen naturally as automation advances? That would largely negate the labor cost advantage. China is already turning into a high wage country, but they don’t seem to be shedding industry like we did. They did lose textiles to SE Asia, I think. Guess there’s no big, populous, High IQ China 2 for them to lose industry to. Does the last country to industrialize keep the industry when everything is automated? I mean, if you make widgets, and you need parts from 3 sub-widget manufacturers, it is a lot easier when those are across the street..

    That sounds like a collective-action problem that an industrial policy could help with. Even if factory employment never reached previous levels, at least the factories would be paying US taxes. Except the donor class has decided capital should not be taxed. Think Biden would change that? The Republicans won’t.

    I read a piece in the NYT about how people think the country is getting much Worse. Eleven hundred comments, and all the ones I read blamed Trump. Trump hasn’t helped much of anything, but would Hilary have done much better? I mean, it is reasonable to assume she usedSecretary of State to collect funds for her charity. But that doesn’t make Trump a good President,

    Anyway, on the article, it seems to me that when your policies or non-actions are allowing a flood of aliens into the country. When one party is crowing that when the paper-American children hit adulthood, the countries current and founding people will have no influence on politics and is dying out, driven to extinction by pressure from the aliens. When your subversion of democracy is close to starting a civil war that you will lose if it happens In the next 20 years, you stop fucking cheating. That idea never crosses their minds. Nope all Trump’s fault,

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Rob


    Global warming denialism is because oil is a big industry and export, and the oil industry is reliably conservative. But that’s just because the Republicans value corporate profits over a cleaner environment. If we reshored manufacturing, then there would be more conservative, profitable industries.
     
    As a general rule, you should not pretend you know why people hold certain views if you haven't discussed them with them. You can't mind-read (as far as I can tell). Pretending you can makes you sound like a college student that believes there are easy solutions to most issues.

    By "global warming denialism" I assume you meant people that doubt climate change (whether cooling or warming) is both caused by mankind AND that there is anything that can be done. I have these views and its not because "oil is a big industry and export" or because I value "corporate profits over a cleaner environment". Its because I have basic common sense and because I distrust dishonest leftists (that's repetitive I suppose) with Rube Goldberg solutions to complex problems that seem to always include said leftists having more power and money.

    As an aside, if you really believed in man-made "climate change" as well as the causes we're often given, you would vociferously oppose mass 3rd world immigration.

  55. At this point I am suffering from a very bad case of Negro fatigue.

  56. J.Ross says:
    June 19, 2020 at 1:13 am GMT • 200 Words   
    @Steve Sailer
    @Morton's toes

    Okay, what's your Saudi-linked theory on the Las Vegas massacre?

    Replies: @Daniel Williams, @J.Ross, @Morton's toes

    –Saudi ownership of upper floors of relevant building
    –Saudi ruling class embroiled in a war over succession
    –Saudi successor and radical reformer in town that night, wearing preposterous red sneakers, confirmed and on multiple security cameras
    –Saudi noble bad guys interned later in a Saudi hotel and asked extraordinary questions
    I’m totally on board it with it possibly being a failed assassination attempt. I don’t have an explanation for it becoming the last act of The Jackal: we failed the assassination attempt, so instead of quietly escaping to reattempt later, let’s kill a huge number of totally unrelated bystanders and end any chance we had at escape.
    Then again there were an undeniably huge number of rage attacks by lefties, to include an attempted assassination of congressmen, and the putative ideology of country music fans would be the target of “motiveless” shooters like James Hodgkinson.
    Maybe two groups met and fell out?
    I don’t see a case for anything else or for the special airport which was nearby, which was thought to have been a target at one point.

    • Thanks: BenKenobi
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @J.Ross

    Was an important Saudi in the country music audience?

    Who knew?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Bostonvegas
    @J.Ross

    I never thought it was a coincidence that the only Congresman that actually got hit was steve scalise...who happened to be the face of anti human trafficking awareness and legislation including a superbowl commercial on the topic

  57. @Rob
    Normie: Why do blacks loot? Don’t they know it hurts the economic dynamism in the short, medium, and long term? Not to mention the violence makes them mush less sympathetic.

    Progressive: African-American P’s African ancestors were dragged here in chains.Subjected to a nightmare middle passage that they didn’t know would not last years, and lasted the rest of their lives for a third of them! Then they were worked like beasts of burden! Then they were subjected to abuses by revanchist Southern whites that are too cruel to be imagined. Many fled for the North when mechanized farming meant they were eqonmically superfluous. In the North they were crowded into ghettoes, and segregated by white flight! Even today, African American Americans are segregated into terrible schools. Those few blacks who escaped the ghetto see their children treated as ineducable thugs, and segregated into remedial classes! The police act like an occupying army in black neighborhoods, which are plagued by crime and murder!

    White peoples did all these things to them! African-AmericanS are filled with seething white-hot rage at whites! They hate us an the people who run stores in the ghetto that overcharge them, and don’t even make healthy food available. Of course they take their anger out on the representatives of whites! They hate us all, and it’s justified! The debt can never be repaid!

    You should hire blacks, and want them in your neighborhood!

    Normie: if they hate me that much, I think I maybe won’t seek to have more blacks in my life, they sound angry and dangerous.

    Progressive: Racist!

    In faurness to blacks, had they wanted to kill white people, a lot of people would have been killed before order was restored. The anger seemed mostly targeted at cops, the agents trying to enforce white norms on them so ‘nice’ progressive whites in cities can sleep safely and with a clear conscience.

    In other news, the narrative that white agents provocateur fron the far right were behind the looting and arson is what their going with? Really? I have a feeling if even one were found, we would have heard the news continuously. Why didn’t the peaceful, law-abiding blacks stop whites from setting fires. That said, I have no doubt that white leftists were partly to blame for violence. Pallets of bricks at convenient locations. Incitements to violence...

    Black people know they would come out badly in racial violence. Whites still exert significant power in the voting booth, through cops, and economically.

    White progressives are confident that they would stomp the deplorables if the gloves came off.

    They have no idea how many ‘progressive’ white men would jump ship. They don’t realize that blacks and Hispanics don’t like each other. Have no idea that blacks dislike them. They don’ t know how vulnerable the cities are to disruption, because women are totally uninterested in infrastructure. Hell, many progressive women would follow their boyfriends to our side.

    They think because the cities have all the money, they have the economic might. A lot the stock in companies with outsourced manufacturing is owned by progressives, but I am pretty sure America is disliked enough in countries where the factories are that there would be a lot of nationalization of American factories if the US government and military were flailing at home.

    They think the military would stay loyal, forgetting who fills the combat arms. Their politically chosen general will be less capable than the majors and colonels promoted for merit who jump ship, Hell, they might make all high officers promoted for politics, but they won’t be very good. If I recall correctly, South Vietnam and Cambodia under Lon Nol had a lot of generals.

    I read somewhere on the internet after the first round of BLM that progressives think of political violence as a thermostat that they turn up and down when they need to. Conservatives think of political violence as a switch between ‘no political violence’ and ‘kill all the enemy. It is only a matter of time before the thermostat goes so hot that the switch flips.

    Given that Trump is a ‘fascist’, and this is the most important election ever in America, what are the odds of antifa disrupting deplorables’ voting. Maybe at polling stations, maybe individuals who look like Trumpets. I can see it happening. They want to disrupt fascism...

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    Blacks hate everybody: Jews, gentiles, Hispanics, Asians. They hate everybody.

    None of us should take it personally. It’s obviously nothing to do with what we did (or didn’t) do. It’s just the way blacks are.

    They hate.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    @Colin Wright

    Thanks for simplifying it. Truer words were never spoken.

    , @Patriot
    @Colin Wright

    True that.

    In California during the last 60 years, a series of ethnicities have tried to run mom n pop grocery stores in Black areas -- whites, jews, Lebanese, arabs, and successive waves of Asian immigrants. ALL were hated by their Black customerz, and all were eventually run out and bankrupted by non-stop attitude, aggression, shoplifting, robberies, shootings, burglaries, riots, and arson. Blacks have hated and aggressed against them all, despite needing food stores in the hood.

    Meanwhile, Blacks don't have the intelligence or dicipline to opperate corner grocery stores themselves.

    A truely vile and dysfunctional race.

    , @J.Ross
    @Colin Wright

    Hey. Hey. Hey. Let's not overlook the intense and often violent hatred blacks feel toward blacks.

  58. @Dr. Doom
    Just over a century ago, blacks were considered valuable property.

    What a change we have seen since then, eh?

    Replies: @LittleNano, @James Speaks

    Depreciation…

  59. @Charon
    @notsaying


    I also believe that black lives matter and that we need to attack the main problem which is black and brown against black and brown violence.

     

    Oh, so true sister! May I call you sister? Because from your writing you sound like a nice old white lady, maybe 75 years old or so. Please write back! I love pen pals. Why not go out on a limb and explain why black-on-white crime doesn't trouble you, even a little.

    Replies: @notsaying

    Of course black on white crime bothers me. All crime bothers me. But what all the discussion has been about recently are the things that negatively affect blacks.

    What are you saying? What’s wrong with not focussing on white people?

    • Replies: @Redman
    @notsaying

    Agree. It's a truism that all crime is bad. But the fact is (1) black on black crime is statistically more of a problem nationally, and thus (2) black citizens depend upon the police for protection more than whites. And I would add that (3) NYC has not experienced much of this for the last 20 years.

    I've lived in NYC for 33 years and worked as a criminal defense attorney my first 4 years out of law school. Since I left criminal law in 2000, I've had almost zero contact with the police. What most people in Manhattan (outside of a few black/hispanic projects) know about the police is mostly from TV and movies.

    During Guiliani's terms, there were 3 high profile scandals involving police violence (Abner Louima, Amadou Diallo and Patrick Dorismand). In 1997, Louima was beaten severely and sodomized with a broom handle by an officer now serving a 30-year sentence. In 1999, Diallo was accidentally shot 41 times and killed by four undercover officers in a special crimes unit spooked when they mistakenly thought Diallo was reaching for a gun, but was in fact reaching for his ID. In 2000, Dorismand became involved in an altercation with an undercover narc who had asked him if he knew where to buy drugs, and was shot and killed by a second narc on the scene.

    Since 2000, there have been very if few if any high profile police brutality/excessive force cases in the NY press. Crime has plummeted to such an extent here, that the pendulum has swiftly swung to protecting criminal rights, eliminating bail, decriminalizing minor drug offenses and so forth.

    It's very hard to believe that blacks in NYC are "protesting" because of the (accidental?) killing of a man in Minneapolis. Most blacks in NY probably don't give a shit about George Floyd, and certainly wouldn't be looting if they hadn't been given the green light by the limousine liberal/radical chic Marxists and the pols who support their so-called "right to protest."

  60. @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    --Saudi ownership of upper floors of relevant building
    --Saudi ruling class embroiled in a war over succession
    --Saudi successor and radical reformer in town that night, wearing preposterous red sneakers, confirmed and on multiple security cameras
    --Saudi noble bad guys interned later in a Saudi hotel and asked extraordinary questions
    I'm totally on board it with it possibly being a failed assassination attempt. I don't have an explanation for it becoming the last act of The Jackal: we failed the assassination attempt, so instead of quietly escaping to reattempt later, let's kill a huge number of totally unrelated bystanders and end any chance we had at escape.
    Then again there were an undeniably huge number of rage attacks by lefties, to include an attempted assassination of congressmen, and the putative ideology of country music fans would be the target of "motiveless" shooters like James Hodgkinson.
    Maybe two groups met and fell out?
    I don't see a case for anything else or for the special airport which was nearby, which was thought to have been a target at one point.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bostonvegas

    Was an important Saudi in the country music audience?

    Who knew?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    Not the concert. He was walking around one of the other hotel/casinos with a football team of security (photo was posted here at one point). The assassination makes plenty of mainstream documented sense until you have to connect it to the concert.

    Replies: @Jack D

  61. Black Lives are property .

  62. @Colin Wright
    @Rob

    Blacks hate everybody: Jews, gentiles, Hispanics, Asians. They hate everybody.

    None of us should take it personally. It's obviously nothing to do with what we did (or didn't) do. It's just the way blacks are.

    They hate.

    Replies: @TTSSYF, @Patriot, @J.Ross

    Thanks for simplifying it. Truer words were never spoken.

    • Thanks: Colin Wright
  63. Forbes says:
    June 19, 2020 at 1:45 am GMT • 100 Words   
    @R.G. Camara
    What kind of society values criminal thugs over law-abiding good citizens?

    Replies: @Forbes, @Kronos

    That’s why the woke-left is redefining “criminal” and “law-abiding.”

    Looting? That’s just undocumented shopping. And silence is violence–not law-abiding.

    See? Word games easy. As learned on a mother’s knee:

    “When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’ ‘The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’ ‘The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.”

    Which is to be master–that is all.

  64. Why doesn’t ol’ Odd Jobs come round any more?
    He used ta ride on his form-a-heap bike,
    And his basket was a whole candy store.
    He used ta make x’s from door to door.
    All the women and the young girls
    Wonder why ol’ Jobs don’t come around no more.
    Why ol’ Odd Jobs don’t come on home.

    — Don Van Vliet

    Just bringing the lot of youse back to consciousness, slowly recalling you to what’s beautiful and good.

    Like Lester Bangs once said, “I am told that the new Jerry Harrison album is supposed to be important, but you know what’s actually important? Surprising your friends by giving them tiny porcelain frogs.”

  65. Forbes says:
    June 19, 2020 at 1:55 am GMT • 100 Words   
    @Jim Don Bob
    I can't leave a comment. I am emotionally exhausted from caring.

    Replies: @Forbes

    I stopped caring a long time ago–it’s my nature as I don’t have much of a reserve of emotion. If it’s not one thing, it’s another. Tomorrow brings new horrors, new outrages. It’s hard to keep up. Why try?

    I look at it as the comedy version of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.

  66. @R.G. Camara
    @J.Ross

    Las Vegas is just one more on the long list of FBI failures/coverups that never get mentioned.

    Largest mass shooting in U.S. history by an old guy with no criminal record or history of violence or firearms ownership who used firepower that it was incredibly difficult, illegal, and expensive to possess and meticulously planned his murder spree.

    *Poof*

    Down the memory hole.

    The FBI is corrupt, kids. This is why Antifa is running roughshod over our cities.

    P.S. The only two things I can think that it was: (1) an attempted use of MKULTRA brainwashing by someone who wanted to get people killed; or (2) a diversionary tactic from some nefarious crime going on elsewhere.

    The key is the supposed shooter. Why the fcuk would a normal law-abiding guy do it? Blackmail or brainwashing?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Lot, @BenKenobi, @Hypnotoad666, @Bostonvegas

    who used firepower that it was incredibly difficult, illegal, and expensive to possess and meticulously planned his murder spree.

    I’m finding vendors on the internet who have inventory listings for the weapons he had, though some are listed as out of stock.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Art Deco

    He had a number of high-powered weapons that literally take six months to buy, cost thousands, and you are limited to only one or two when you buy them.

    , @J.Ross
    @Art Deco

    There's internet sales listings for all kinds of things, your reply doesn't contact (let alone rebut) what RG said.

    , @Ozymandias
    @Art Deco


    I’m finding vendors on the internet who have inventory listings for the weapons he had
     
    Why don't you try contacting one of them and see how that goes?
  67. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    Joe Rogan’s mind is pure. He’s noticing the looting, but he’s noticing that it’s mostly “white kids…running in to get free Nikes” and after watching “a 100 videos” he’s seen “like 4 black people looting”:

    • Replies: @Redman
    @Anonymous

    Strange indeed. He sees what he wants to see I suppose.

    The truth: it's mostly blacks looting. But it's mostly whites who are encouraging them. There are no "black panther" leaders for this generation of blacks. They're far less organized and less cohesive as a group then ever. Moderate black older women are not buying radical revolution as a message.

    It seems to me that Biden won the primary, but Bernie's followers and their message won over the party. The latter are now in control of the narrative and the career pols are just going along with it for the ride. Biden has been quite reticent on what's happening. But pretty soon he's going to have to speak about it. And in the coming months, how he he tries to bridge the gap of corporate/neoliberalism and far left's message of radical revolution will be interesting to see.

  68. @Buffalo Joe
    In America, poverty generally means not having everything you want. And taking what you want is now a God given right according to the NYT. Simple as that.

    Replies: @Charon, @Reg Cæsar

    In America, poverty generally means not having everything you want. And taking what you want is now a God given right according to the NYT.

    With a few, limited exceptions, of course.

  69. @PiltdownMan

    Our country was built on looting
     
    And once they looted those rockets from Native Americans, I guess you could say white people's looting really took off.

    https://borgdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/apollo-11-mission-control.jpg

    https://youtu.be/Iwn4LVVvAUQ

    Replies: @Forbes

    Not to mention the wheel…

  70. @Art Deco
    @R.G. Camara

    who used firepower that it was incredibly difficult, illegal, and expensive to possess and meticulously planned his murder spree.

    I'm finding vendors on the internet who have inventory listings for the weapons he had, though some are listed as out of stock.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @J.Ross, @Ozymandias

    He had a number of high-powered weapons that literally take six months to buy, cost thousands, and you are limited to only one or two when you buy them.

  71. Lot says:
    June 19, 2020 at 2:14 am GMT • 100 Words   
    @R.G. Camara
    @J.Ross

    Las Vegas is just one more on the long list of FBI failures/coverups that never get mentioned.

    Largest mass shooting in U.S. history by an old guy with no criminal record or history of violence or firearms ownership who used firepower that it was incredibly difficult, illegal, and expensive to possess and meticulously planned his murder spree.

    *Poof*

    Down the memory hole.

    The FBI is corrupt, kids. This is why Antifa is running roughshod over our cities.

    P.S. The only two things I can think that it was: (1) an attempted use of MKULTRA brainwashing by someone who wanted to get people killed; or (2) a diversionary tactic from some nefarious crime going on elsewhere.

    The key is the supposed shooter. Why the fcuk would a normal law-abiding guy do it? Blackmail or brainwashing?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Lot, @BenKenobi, @Hypnotoad666, @Bostonvegas

    “ The key is the supposed shooter. Why the fcuk would a normal law-abiding guy do it? ”

    Just a normal dude who was addicted to video poker, alcohol, and valium and whose father was on the FBI ten most wanted list (for escaping from prison where he was serving time for a string of bank robberies) and whose brother was really into kiddie porn.

    “ firepower that it was incredibly difficult, illegal, and expensive to possess ”

    The shooting was with an AR-15 type semiauto, which are not illegal in Nevada and most other states and not expensive. The bump stock used to fire rapidly cost about $100 and was also legal in 2017.

    There’s nothing abnormal about a reclusive old rich guy in rural Nevada having an AR-15. He made more than $5 million from the sale of an apartment building, though he had gambled a fair amount away by 2017.

  72. Patriot says:
    June 19, 2020 at 2:38 am GMT • 100 Words   
    @Colin Wright
    @Rob

    Blacks hate everybody: Jews, gentiles, Hispanics, Asians. They hate everybody.

    None of us should take it personally. It's obviously nothing to do with what we did (or didn't) do. It's just the way blacks are.

    They hate.

    Replies: @TTSSYF, @Patriot, @J.Ross

    True that.

    In California during the last 60 years, a series of ethnicities have tried to run mom n pop grocery stores in Black areas — whites, jews, Lebanese, arabs, and successive waves of Asian immigrants. ALL were hated by their Black customerz, and all were eventually run out and bankrupted by non-stop attitude, aggression, shoplifting, robberies, shootings, burglaries, riots, and arson. Blacks have hated and aggressed against them all, despite needing food stores in the hood.

    Meanwhile, Blacks don’t have the intelligence or dicipline to opperate corner grocery stores themselves.

    A truely vile and dysfunctional race.

  73. GW says:
    June 19, 2020 at 2:43 am GMT • 100 Words   
    @syonredux
    @Colin Wright


    Tulsa also began with a black mob murderously attacking a white crowd. Look it up.
     
    Yup, and Blacks did most of the killing on the first day of the riot:



    Day one death toll:

    Whites: 10

    Blacks: 2

    And the high numbers of deaths that you see people tossing around (100 to 300) are just pulled out of thin air. The official tally from The Oklahoma Commission to Study the Tulsa Race Riot of 1921 is 39 deaths(counting a stillborn infant), 26 Blacks and 13 Whites, which is quite a distance from the mass slaughter of legend:

    https://www.okhistory.org/research/forms/freport.pdf

    Replies: @GW, @Jane Plain, @TomSchmidt

    Even the Wikipedia article makes mention of the black involvement. The fact this incident is being trotted out as a one-sided example of white on black racism means we’re in a worse world than 1984.

    The truth doesn’t even have to be suppressed, people will willfully choose to ignore what’s obvious for their own foolish lies.

    • Replies: @mahern
    @GW

    well anyone can edit a Wikipedia article.

    Replies: @Ben tillman

  74. Masked arsonist (Blumenthal, massage therapist, 33) might’ve gotten away with it if she hadn’t left Etsy review

    Woman who burned two police cars IDed by tattoo and Etsy review of her “Keep the immigrants, deport the racists” T-shirt.

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/06/masked-arsonist-mightve-gotten-away-with-it-if-she-hadnt-left-etsy-review/

    https://heavy.com/news/2020/06/lore-elisabeth-blumenthal/

  75. @Steve Sailer
    @J.Ross

    Was an important Saudi in the country music audience?

    Who knew?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Not the concert. He was walking around one of the other hotel/casinos with a football team of security (photo was posted here at one point). The assassination makes plenty of mainstream documented sense until you have to connect it to the concert.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    Arabs, like blacks, are notoriously bad shots/ammo wasters but even by Arab standards that's not believable. 58 dead and 413 wounded and the target was not one of them?

    Replies: @Bostonvegas

  76. @Art Deco
    @R.G. Camara

    who used firepower that it was incredibly difficult, illegal, and expensive to possess and meticulously planned his murder spree.

    I'm finding vendors on the internet who have inventory listings for the weapons he had, though some are listed as out of stock.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @J.Ross, @Ozymandias

    There’s internet sales listings for all kinds of things, your reply doesn’t contact (let alone rebut) what RG said.

  77. @Colin Wright
    @Rob

    Blacks hate everybody: Jews, gentiles, Hispanics, Asians. They hate everybody.

    None of us should take it personally. It's obviously nothing to do with what we did (or didn't) do. It's just the way blacks are.

    They hate.

    Replies: @TTSSYF, @Patriot, @J.Ross

    Hey. Hey. Hey. Let’s not overlook the intense and often violent hatred blacks feel toward blacks.

  78. @Art Deco
    @R.G. Camara

    who used firepower that it was incredibly difficult, illegal, and expensive to possess and meticulously planned his murder spree.

    I'm finding vendors on the internet who have inventory listings for the weapons he had, though some are listed as out of stock.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @J.Ross, @Ozymandias

    I’m finding vendors on the internet who have inventory listings for the weapons he had

    Why don’t you try contacting one of them and see how that goes?

  79. @BB753
    Anybody else experiencing a serious case of "Negro fatigue"? If they keep pushing society too far, Blacks might find out that nobody gives a damn about them anymore and their precious lives and whimsical demands and tantrums, certainly not Hispanics, even less so Asians, not even Whites.

    Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV

    Well, apparently there is going to be a new federal holiday for blacks, Juneteenth. I had never heard of it until Trump’s speech was announced and the Chrome spell check also hasn’t heard of it, but here we are. Who is sponsoring it in the Senate? John Cornyn.

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Morris Applebaum IV

    I first heard of Juneteenth when I lived in Texas. It was supposedly the day the blacks learned they had been freed.

  80. Peterike says:
    June 19, 2020 at 2:53 am GMT • 100 Words   

    A 2017 report by the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights found that “municipalities that rely heavily on revenue from fines and fees have a higher than average percentage of African-American and Latino populations.”

    They are also often run by those same African Americans and Latinos. Fines and fees are just another grift.

    • Agree: William Badwhite
  81. @syonredux
    @Colin Wright


    Tulsa also began with a black mob murderously attacking a white crowd. Look it up.
     
    Yup, and Blacks did most of the killing on the first day of the riot:



    Day one death toll:

    Whites: 10

    Blacks: 2

    And the high numbers of deaths that you see people tossing around (100 to 300) are just pulled out of thin air. The official tally from The Oklahoma Commission to Study the Tulsa Race Riot of 1921 is 39 deaths(counting a stillborn infant), 26 Blacks and 13 Whites, which is quite a distance from the mass slaughter of legend:

    https://www.okhistory.org/research/forms/freport.pdf

    Replies: @GW, @Jane Plain, @TomSchmidt

    Thanks. I’ve always thought that 300 number made no sense & wondered where it came from.

    They also claim that Tulsa was bombed. Really?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Jane Plain

    Also "Black Wall Street" is a ridiculous exaggeration. They make it sound like Greenwood was Wakanda or something. In fact it was a modest commercial strip with barber shops and drug stores and other small scale local businesses, notable only because the businesses were mostly black owned. Greenwood is to Wall Street as my backyard pool is to the Pacific Ocean (oh, sorry analogies are racist).

    Here is Greenwood before its destruction in all its glory. Note the skyscrapers, the stock exchange, etc. What, you don't see them? Racist.

    https://daily.jstor.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/BlackWallStreetBefore.jpg

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @bruce county

  82. Anonymous[208] • Disclaimer says:

    In the morality of NYT polemic calling people who disagree with you “hackneyed” is, like, a sick burn

  83. @Dave3
    "What Kind of Society Values Property Over Black Lives?"

    Islamic society for example. The Islamic nations along the northern edge of Black Africa apply strict Sharia law, resulting in large numbers of black bucks losing hands and feet because they're congenitally unable to understand that stealing is wrong.

    We should allow Muslim shopkeepers to unhand thieves, and anyone who complains about it shall be arrested for Islamophobia.

    Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV, @The Wild Geese Howard

    I can’t help but wonder if Islam will be the ultimate winner. The West is engaging in this bizarre form of suicide. East Asians prefer Gucci to GOO GOO GA GA and are thus shrinking rapidly. Islam, by comparison, seems very healthy.

    I may have a descendant named Muhammad Applebaum. Could be worse.

  84. “Rarely do we read about the white people who looted during the Watts rebellion in 1965 and in Detroit in 1967.”

    Because it didn’t occur, duh. Or if it did, 99% of the looters were black. Why exactly would whites have looted in ’65 and ’67 in Watts (where they weren’t a significant percentage of the population) or in Detroit anyway? What was there to gain by whites looting? And looting, where? Looting, what (or from whom)? Is the author suggesting that whites were looting during the sixties from other whites? Exactly why would they do this?

    It’s almost as if the author is squeamish about admitting that for about the past half century, looting is and remains a black thing. Whites aren’t interested in stealing free stuff and risking jail time for Air Jordans and cases of Mr. Pibb.

    Yes, whites do protest. They also have no qualms about destroying statues. But looting for actual stuff to take? Just cause its there and it can be free? That’s so boorish, gouache. Conspicuous display of consumption simply isn’t a SWPL thing. As Steve has written a critique on Malcolm Gladwell regarding Chicago car dealerships, blacks enjoy being seen as big spenders. They also like being seen getting and grabbing tons of free stuff, also known as booty from the spoils of the stuggle vs. the white establishment.

    From that backdrop, there simply isn’t a compelling reason for whites looting.

    *Also didn’t hear much about whites looting during the ’92 LA Riots, but we did read tons of coverage regarding blacks looting. No matter the decade or the city, the pattern remains the same.

  85. Anonymous[208] • Disclaimer says:
    June 19, 2020 at 3:12 am GMT • 100 Words   
    @Art Deco
    I've been noodling around GoogleScholar to locate an example of his scholarship - i.e. papers written consequent to archival and / or archaeological research. I find one monograph, which was a re-working of his dissertation. The man has placed dozens of articles in obscure periodicals over three decades, but he has done almost no original research. Essays, broadsides, book reviews, commentaries, but no original research. To give you an idea, Paul Sweezy's Monthly Review is one of the more extensively distributed publications in which his writing has appeared. He did produce a chapter for an anthology assembled by Howard Zinn (who himself produced just 3 or 4 original works over a period of 55 years).

    In the ordinary course of affairs, he might be an associate professor at a sketchy teaching institution. As we speak, he has an endowed chair at a research university (itself a Public Ivy). He's a parody academic. This is how white privilege works.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @William Badwhite, @Jane Plain

    The “D.G.” is pretentious too, considering there aren’t other publications from the same name in his discipline, now or 20 years ago (contrast w/ “C. Wilson” or “B. Schwarz” or “A. Park” in most fields). Or is that just his official SAG credit? He needs to face up to the fact that he is the “R. Kelly” of Robin Kelleys

    From 2009 book jacket:

    Robin D.G. Kelley is a professor of history and American studies and ethnicity at the University of Southern California. From 2003-2006, he was the William B. Ransford Professor of Cultural and Historical Studies at Columbia Univeristy. From 1994-2003, he was a professor of history and Africana Studies at New York University as well the chairman of NYU’s history department from 2002-2003. One of the youngest tenured professors in a full academic discipline–at the age of 32–Kelley has spent most of his career exploring American and African-American history with a particular emphasis on African-American musical culture, including jazz and hip-hop.

    • Thanks: bomag
  86. @Steve Sailer
    @Morton's toes

    Okay, what's your Saudi-linked theory on the Las Vegas massacre?

    Replies: @Daniel Williams, @J.Ross, @Morton's toes

    This is not my theory.

    There are reports the crown prince was there playing cards, getting drunk, screwing hookers. There was an assassination attempt that was foiled or betrayed or reneged or something and the massacres of civilians was a throw up a bunch of fog and cover our tracks as best we can.

    Paddock was the gun supplier to the Saudi squad squad. They should have farmed it out to their mossad buddies.

    Now I have not seen conclusive evidence for this theory. I also have not seen any theory elsewhere that fits the facts we do all know one tiny teeny eentsy weentsy bit better.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Morton's toes

    What exactly is the chain of logic here?

    Replies: @Morton's toes

  87. BenKenobi says:
    June 19, 2020 at 3:18 am GMT • 100 Words   
    @R.G. Camara
    @J.Ross

    Las Vegas is just one more on the long list of FBI failures/coverups that never get mentioned.

    Largest mass shooting in U.S. history by an old guy with no criminal record or history of violence or firearms ownership who used firepower that it was incredibly difficult, illegal, and expensive to possess and meticulously planned his murder spree.

    *Poof*

    Down the memory hole.

    The FBI is corrupt, kids. This is why Antifa is running roughshod over our cities.

    P.S. The only two things I can think that it was: (1) an attempted use of MKULTRA brainwashing by someone who wanted to get people killed; or (2) a diversionary tactic from some nefarious crime going on elsewhere.

    The key is the supposed shooter. Why the fcuk would a normal law-abiding guy do it? Blackmail or brainwashing?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Lot, @BenKenobi, @Hypnotoad666, @Bostonvegas

    It was all very strange. Shady Pinoy wife, the wacky coke-fuelled interview his brother gave from the front lawn, pretty sure a second brother went down for ‘cheese pizza’ shortly thereafter.

    There’s also the Saudi angle that Morton mentioned.

    Like you said, diversion. It feels like somebody’s plan went tits-up that night and opening fire on the crowd was improvised on the spot. To what end, I have no idea.

    Who or what flew in to or out of McCarran during the incident?

  88. @GW
    @syonredux

    Even the Wikipedia article makes mention of the black involvement. The fact this incident is being trotted out as a one-sided example of white on black racism means we’re in a worse world than 1984.

    The truth doesn’t even have to be suppressed, people will willfully choose to ignore what’s obvious for their own foolish lies.

    Replies: @mahern

    well anyone can edit a Wikipedia article.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @mahern

    Not true. Just try editing the article on The Unz Review for instance.

  89. Our country was built on looting — the looting of Indigenous lands

    You can always help solve this by returning to the old country yourself.

    and African labor.

    Now there’s an oxymoron. (About oxey morons, no less.)

    Our bodies were loot.

    And a lot of snatched purses contain nothing but sticky old cosmetics and lint. Theft is not always value added.

    The forced extraction of our labor was loot.

    What labor? Blacks don’t work when they have plenty of incentive; why would they back when they had none?

    I can understand the black embrace of voodoo economics claiming that black presence led to America’s wealth. What I can’t understand is the similar embrace by whites, and not just leftist whites, but even some here. It goes against all common sense, and is the basis for the reparations nonsense.

    It turns Richard Lynn’s lifetime of research upside-down. Here is the estimated– probably overestimated– IQs of the states in 1860:

    South Carolina 83
    Mississippi 83.5
    Florida 91
    Alabama 86.5
    Georgia 87
    Louisiana 86
    Texas 91
    Virginia 91
    Arkansas 92
    North Carolina 90
    Tennessee 92.5
    Kentucky 94
    Maryland 96
    Missouri 97
    Delaware 99
    All other states are assumed to be at 100

    .

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Reg Cæsar


    I can understand the black embrace of voodoo economics claiming that black presence led to America’s wealth. What I can’t understand is the similar embrace by whites, and not just leftist whites, but even some here. It goes against all common sense,
     
    Come on, we all know that possessing Black slaves is the secret sauce to economic success and global power. Just look at Brazil.......
    , @TomSchmidt
    @Reg Cæsar

    "Blacks don’t work when they have plenty of incentive; why would they back when they had none?"

    Ugh. Two points. First, as Thomas Sowell pointed out, for quite a while before the Depression the Black Unemployment rate was lower than the white unemployment rate (he doesn't give a reason; maybe some of the whites were European immigrants and not fluent. Who knows.) passage of minimum wage laws, according to Sowell, cut off young blacks from the market because their labor starting out was not worth white labor. He credits higher black unemployment rates from this time.

    Second is the admonition,cleaned up, that a white person was seen to "work like a negro." In other words, it was widely recognized that hard work was the province of blacks, and the whites should be a leisurely overclass.

    The fact that today the largely white elite class admonishes us to "work smarter, not harder," and can scam wealth through the Fed, instead of earning it by the sweat of its brow, shows that the sentiment continues today. except now the Negroes being disparaged includes the entire working class and most of the middle class.

  90. @R.G. Camara
    @J.Ross

    Las Vegas is just one more on the long list of FBI failures/coverups that never get mentioned.

    Largest mass shooting in U.S. history by an old guy with no criminal record or history of violence or firearms ownership who used firepower that it was incredibly difficult, illegal, and expensive to possess and meticulously planned his murder spree.

    *Poof*

    Down the memory hole.

    The FBI is corrupt, kids. This is why Antifa is running roughshod over our cities.

    P.S. The only two things I can think that it was: (1) an attempted use of MKULTRA brainwashing by someone who wanted to get people killed; or (2) a diversionary tactic from some nefarious crime going on elsewhere.

    The key is the supposed shooter. Why the fcuk would a normal law-abiding guy do it? Blackmail or brainwashing?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Lot, @BenKenobi, @Hypnotoad666, @Bostonvegas

    The FBI is corrupt, kids. This is why Antifa is running roughshod over our cities.

    Because of the way they have to recruit large numbers of knuckleheads and losers as their front line troops, Antifa would be exceptionally easy to infiltrate. Same with the money trail and organizers.

    But the FBI has been utterly uninterested. Instead putting vast resources into practically non-existent “white supremacist” groups that are mostly just a few kids on the internet.

    Antifa however seem to be protected by elements of the Democratic party that more or less control the FBI.

  91. Anonymous[841] • Disclaimer says:

    That’s why the Nazis were humane.

    They didn’t shoot German rioters during Kristallnacht because German lives mattered more than Jewish Property.

    Same with pogroms. Why shoot the Cossack rioters to save Jewish property when Cossack Lives Matter?

    Lives over property.

    • Thanks: Charon
  92. @Dave3
    "What Kind of Society Values Property Over Black Lives?"

    Islamic society for example. The Islamic nations along the northern edge of Black Africa apply strict Sharia law, resulting in large numbers of black bucks losing hands and feet because they're congenitally unable to understand that stealing is wrong.

    We should allow Muslim shopkeepers to unhand thieves, and anyone who complains about it shall be arrested for Islamophobia.

    Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV, @The Wild Geese Howard

    Islamic society for example. The Islamic nations along the northern edge of Black Africa apply strict Sharia law, resulting in large numbers of black bucks losing hands and feet because they’re congenitally unable to understand that stealing is wrong.

    Lol, no, just no.

  93. Anonymous[841] • Disclaimer says:

    NYT: What Kind of Society Values Property Over Black Lives?

    That’s very funty.

    Blacks murder each other over pricey shoes and bling.

  94. Anon[247] • Disclaimer says:
    June 19, 2020 at 3:58 am GMT • 100 Words   
    @Undocumented Shopper
    They did not allow readers to comment on this article.
    Very telling.

    Replies: @Anon, @PSR, @Abolish_public_education

    Much of the problem with the left is that they keep shutting down conversations that disagree with them. Consequently, there’s no one on the left who utters centrist or common-sense opinions. This makes the left subject to extreme groupthink, and they keep urging each other to go farther and father out on that tree limb. By now, that limb is cracking and sagging.

    I think the wipeout the left is going to see in November is going to make British Labour’s wipeout look trivial in comparison.

  95. Anon[252] • Disclaimer says:
    June 19, 2020 at 4:03 am GMT • 200 Words   

    I saw a Fox news segment on YouTube yesterday (can’t find it now) on which three black guests discussed the Atlanta situation. One was the current mayor of L.A.-area Inglewood and former chief of their police department (and he by the way seems kind of dumb), and his take was that the guy had had a lot of bad breaks, and was on parole for a DUI, and when they brought in the DUI team to test him, he panicked and ran because he knew he was headed to jail. The mayor thought that a more compassionate police officer would have let it go, had the guy walk home, leaving his car in the Wendy’s parking lot.

    Seriuosly? Is DUI some sort of minor crime in the black community? DUI drivers kill kids. A compassionate cop would go out of his way to put a repeat DUI offender behind bars for a long time, not let him off.

    • Replies: @Redman
    @Anon

    I live in an upscale part of Westchester with practically no crime. The occasional bicycle is stolen from a front yard by visitors from a black neighborhood, or a car stolen from a driveway with the keys left in the drivers seat (seriously, this happened to my neighbor).

    But the cops tell me that almost every arrest (and there are many) they make is for DUI. In some white suburban towns that's the "only" thing you get taken to jail for.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    , @Jack D
    @Anon


    Seriuosly? Is DUI some sort of minor crime in the black community?
     
    Yes, compared to what they have otherwise, DUI is the least of their problems. There are plenty of blacks that have been arrested 10, 20, 50, even 100 times for various violent offenses.

    Even in the white community, for a long time DUI was treated they way that the mayor recommended. To some extent it still is for a first offense, though they might make you take a class or something and then your record gets expunged.

    However, in looking at accident statistics, they noticed that in a high % of horrible gruesome crashes that not only was the driver drunk but that he had been arrested for being drunk before, often on multiple occasions and they realized that habitual drunk drivers are walking time bombs. At a minimum, after the 2nd offense they make you get a breathalyzer lock for your car - before you can drive you have to blow into the thing to prove that you aren't drunk. Taking the license away doesn't work because they will just drive without a license. In the black and immigrant community, a large % of drivers lack either a license or insurance or both, even though they are supposedly legally required.
  96. Indeed, white people, among them far-right provocateurs,

    Nope.

    have engaged in looting and destruction of property during the current protests; there is ample video evidence from across the country. There are also videos of black organizers asking them to stop because the police will “blame that on us.”

    Does the author provide an ample selection of links to the ample video evidence?

    Tulsa was absolutely not a “pogrom” or any other kind of massacre. Mike Enoch has done good work on this.

    • Replies: @Charon
    @Roderick Spode

    The author's science reduces to: "I saw it on YouTube."

  97. syonredux says:
    June 19, 2020 at 4:30 am GMT • 100 Words   
    @Reg Cæsar

    Our country was built on looting — the looting of Indigenous lands
     
    You can always help solve this by returning to the old country yourself.

    and African labor.
     
    Now there's an oxymoron. (About oxey morons, no less.)

    Our bodies were loot.
     
    And a lot of snatched purses contain nothing but sticky old cosmetics and lint. Theft is not always value added.

    The forced extraction of our labor was loot.
     
    What labor? Blacks don't work when they have plenty of incentive; why would they back when they had none?

    I can understand the black embrace of voodoo economics claiming that black presence led to America's wealth. What I can't understand is the similar embrace by whites, and not just leftist whites, but even some here. It goes against all common sense, and is the basis for the reparations nonsense.

    It turns Richard Lynn's lifetime of research upside-down. Here is the estimated-- probably overestimated-- IQs of the states in 1860:

    South Carolina 83
    Mississippi 83.5
    Florida 91
    Alabama 86.5
    Georgia 87
    Louisiana 86
    Texas 91
    Virginia 91
    Arkansas 92
    North Carolina 90
    Tennessee 92.5
    Kentucky 94
    Maryland 96
    Missouri 97
    Delaware 99
    All other states are assumed to be at 100
     
    .

    Replies: @syonredux, @TomSchmidt

    I can understand the black embrace of voodoo economics claiming that black presence led to America’s wealth. What I can’t understand is the similar embrace by whites, and not just leftist whites, but even some here. It goes against all common sense,

    Come on, we all know that possessing Black slaves is the secret sauce to economic success and global power. Just look at Brazil…….

  98. @J.Ross
    @JohnnyWalker123

    And they never figured out a motive for Vegas, as well as a few other terrorisms. And there was this thing called the Panama Papers, which demonstrated that the elite pay no taxes, and never went anywhere. And Youtube used to actually have usable search options instead of its present day blunderbuss garbage.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Morton's toes, @Charon

  99. @Chrisnonymous
    @notsaying

    I think govt income=looting is a position you can find on the right. Howevee, the bit about municipalities that rely on fines being heavily minority... I want to see the data... because the rest of the article is filled with half-truths...

    Replies: @Charlotte

    I wonder if these municipalities turn to fines because property values are low, and property taxes don’t bring in much money? Or is it more of a racket for the benefit of city employees?

  100. Kronos says:
    June 19, 2020 at 4:39 am GMT • 100 Words   
    @R.G. Camara
    What kind of society values criminal thugs over law-abiding good citizens?

    Replies: @Forbes, @Kronos

    The law-abiding good citizens are serfs. They need to be good regardless. It’s not like they have a choice.

    In a country that:

    1) Has the World’s Reserve Currency

    2) Relies almost entirely on Chinese imports for all consumer goods.

    3) No present danger or need for strong reliable men with high IQs and strong work ethics.

    A good citizenry is redundant. But the biggest factor is that Blacks can’t help it. The IQ averages are horrific for a developed society and are provided ample Rosa Parks propaganda to justify rioting. They can’t read, do math, or most abstract reasoning really well. But, they remember Rosa Parks from K-12.

    Blame the Democrats for becoming addicted to needing Black votes for national elections.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute, Redman
    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Kronos

    Black students having a bit of difficulty with The House of the Seven Gables...


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJPXdLg3UK4

    Replies: @International Jew

    , @Rosie
    @Kronos


    The law-abiding good citizens are serfs. They need to be good regardless. It’s not like they have a choice.
     
    I become ever more convinced of this by the day. There is a scam to enslave working people at all levels.

    Mobile Homes : Working Class :: Student Loans : Middle Class

    https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-news/john-oliver-mobile-homes-last-week-tonight-818978/
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Kronos


    Blame the Democrats for becoming addicted to needing Black votes for national elections.
     
    Democrats have been addicted to blacks for 200 years, albeit in changing ways. No one other than corrupt Democrats has ever benefited from their presence.
    , @Nicholas Stix
    @Kronos

    Blame the Republicans for never fighting on behalf of patriotic, law-abiding whites.

  101. Why? WHY? WHY?

  102. @Kronos
    @R.G. Camara

    The law-abiding good citizens are serfs. They need to be good regardless. It’s not like they have a choice.

    In a country that:

    1) Has the World’s Reserve Currency

    2) Relies almost entirely on Chinese imports for all consumer goods.

    3) No present danger or need for strong reliable men with high IQs and strong work ethics.

    A good citizenry is redundant. But the biggest factor is that Blacks can’t help it. The IQ averages are horrific for a developed society and are provided ample Rosa Parks propaganda to justify rioting. They can’t read, do math, or most abstract reasoning really well. But, they remember Rosa Parks from K-12.

    https://youtu.be/EmgHsOgvfDI

    Blame the Democrats for becoming addicted to needing Black votes for national elections.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Rosie, @Reg Cæsar, @Nicholas Stix

    Black students having a bit of difficulty with The House of the Seven Gables

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @syonredux

    Today, a black man as clean and articulate as that teacher would have long ago been promoted far above that job. He'd be president of a major university or foundation.

    His job as English teacher would have devolved to one of the higher-functioning black girls in that class.

  103. Stop quoting this shit from the New York Times and elsewhere, Steve. It’s not useful. Literally wind in the air, not impacting anything at all.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @MattinLA

    Sure looks to me at the moment like the mainstream in 2020 is pretty much the NYT oped page in 2014.

    Replies: @Rosie, @MattinLA

  104. @MattinLA
    Stop quoting this shit from the New York Times and elsewhere, Steve. It's not useful. Literally wind in the air, not impacting anything at all.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Sure looks to me at the moment like the mainstream in 2020 is pretty much the NYT oped page in 2014.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Steve Sailer


    Sure looks to me at the moment like the mainstream in 2020 is pretty much the NYT oped page in 2014.
     
    Sad but true.
    , @MattinLA
    @Steve Sailer

    We only change that by ignoring their shit. Just ignore it. It isn't useful, factual, or edifying in the slightest. What do we care what these horrible people say? There is no convincing them. We need to focus on our arguments, our people, and our self defense. Debate is useless. The time for words is over.

  105. Rosie says:
    June 19, 2020 at 5:38 am GMT • 100 Words   
    @Kronos
    @R.G. Camara

    The law-abiding good citizens are serfs. They need to be good regardless. It’s not like they have a choice.

    In a country that:

    1) Has the World’s Reserve Currency

    2) Relies almost entirely on Chinese imports for all consumer goods.

    3) No present danger or need for strong reliable men with high IQs and strong work ethics.

    A good citizenry is redundant. But the biggest factor is that Blacks can’t help it. The IQ averages are horrific for a developed society and are provided ample Rosa Parks propaganda to justify rioting. They can’t read, do math, or most abstract reasoning really well. But, they remember Rosa Parks from K-12.

    https://youtu.be/EmgHsOgvfDI

    Blame the Democrats for becoming addicted to needing Black votes for national elections.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Rosie, @Reg Cæsar, @Nicholas Stix

    The law-abiding good citizens are serfs. They need to be good regardless. It’s not like they have a choice.

    I become ever more convinced of this by the day. There is a scam to enslave working people at all levels.

    Mobile Homes : Working Class :: Student Loans : Middle Class

    https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-news/john-oliver-mobile-homes-last-week-tonight-818978/

  106. @Steve Sailer
    @MattinLA

    Sure looks to me at the moment like the mainstream in 2020 is pretty much the NYT oped page in 2014.

    Replies: @Rosie, @MattinLA

    Sure looks to me at the moment like the mainstream in 2020 is pretty much the NYT oped page in 2014.

    Sad but true.

  107. • Replies: @El Dato
    @J.Ross

    Will General Petraeus come out of retirement?

    Replies: @J.Ross

  108. @Roderick Spode

    Indeed, white people, among them far-right provocateurs,
     
    Nope.

    have engaged in looting and destruction of property during the current protests; there is ample video evidence from across the country. There are also videos of black organizers asking them to stop because the police will “blame that on us.”
     
    Does the author provide an ample selection of links to the ample video evidence?

    Tulsa was absolutely not a "pogrom" or any other kind of massacre. Mike Enoch has done good work on this.

    Replies: @Charon

    The author’s science reduces to: “I saw it on YouTube.”

  109. El Dato says:
    June 19, 2020 at 6:57 am GMT • 200 Words   

    ‘Nazi’ or ‘Antifa’? Trump campaign ads removed as Facebook rules RED TRIANGLE violated ‘organized hate’ policy

    Several Donald Trump presidential campaign ads were axed by Facebook for violating its policy with a red triangle, which critics say is a Nazi reference. Conservatives insist it’s meant to symbolize Antifa, crying political bias.

    “We removed these posts and ads for violating our policy against organized hate,” a spokesperson said. “Our policy prohibits using a banned hate group’s symbol to identify political prisoners [no, they are not talking about Assange] without the context that condemns or discusses the symbol.” [symbols must be condemned relentlessy and ritualistically]

    Observers of the FA/TW/AP/AM/GO autonomous tech zone, occultists and readers of Foucault’s Pendulum rejoice!

    Who has heard of a red triangle before?

    From “The Red Triangle”, a comic by Andreas (from the 90s I think; that triangle is the wrong way round)

    • Replies: @Roderick Spode
    @El Dato

    Shark attacks. The Red Triangle is right outside San Francisco bay. Biggest concentration of Great Whites on the West Coast.

    I’m glad Trump is finally tackling the superpredator problem.

    🔺

  110. @J.Ross
    https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1273823715977916416

    Replies: @El Dato

    Will General Petraeus come out of retirement?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @El Dato

    Look at Mattis and Kelly feeling relevant: why not?

  111. @Kronos
    @R.G. Camara

    The law-abiding good citizens are serfs. They need to be good regardless. It’s not like they have a choice.

    In a country that:

    1) Has the World’s Reserve Currency

    2) Relies almost entirely on Chinese imports for all consumer goods.

    3) No present danger or need for strong reliable men with high IQs and strong work ethics.

    A good citizenry is redundant. But the biggest factor is that Blacks can’t help it. The IQ averages are horrific for a developed society and are provided ample Rosa Parks propaganda to justify rioting. They can’t read, do math, or most abstract reasoning really well. But, they remember Rosa Parks from K-12.

    https://youtu.be/EmgHsOgvfDI

    Blame the Democrats for becoming addicted to needing Black votes for national elections.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Rosie, @Reg Cæsar, @Nicholas Stix

    Blame the Democrats for becoming addicted to needing Black votes for national elections.

    Democrats have been addicted to blacks for 200 years, albeit in changing ways. No one other than corrupt Democrats has ever benefited from their presence.

  112. NYT: What Kind of Society Values Property Over Black Lives?

    That question was so much easier answered when the two were synonymous.

  113. @syonredux
    @Kronos

    Black students having a bit of difficulty with The House of the Seven Gables...


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJPXdLg3UK4

    Replies: @International Jew

    Today, a black man as clean and articulate as that teacher would have long ago been promoted far above that job. He’d be president of a major university or foundation.

    His job as English teacher would have devolved to one of the higher-functioning black girls in that class.

  114. I don’t understand, is this an ultimatum?

  115. @Morton's toes
    @Steve Sailer

    This is not my theory.

    There are reports the crown prince was there playing cards, getting drunk, screwing hookers. There was an assassination attempt that was foiled or betrayed or reneged or something and the massacres of civilians was a throw up a bunch of fog and cover our tracks as best we can.

    Paddock was the gun supplier to the Saudi squad squad. They should have farmed it out to their mossad buddies.

    Now I have not seen conclusive evidence for this theory. I also have not seen any theory elsewhere that fits the facts we do all know one tiny teeny eentsy weentsy bit better.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    What exactly is the chain of logic here?

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    @Steve Sailer

    You want a chain of logic regarding a senseless slaughter by kooks?

    Here is the evidence: the investigation is over with. They don't need any more information. They are through asking questions. And the case is closed and the conclusions are a state secret that only people with a need to know have the information.

    Of course maybe you believe it was one gunman who flipped out in which case I don't know what to tell you. I don't think there is any way in hell it was one guy who flipped out.

  116. @Steve Sailer
    @Morton's toes

    What exactly is the chain of logic here?

    Replies: @Morton's toes

    You want a chain of logic regarding a senseless slaughter by kooks?

    Here is the evidence: the investigation is over with. They don’t need any more information. They are through asking questions. And the case is closed and the conclusions are a state secret that only people with a need to know have the information.

    Of course maybe you believe it was one gunman who flipped out in which case I don’t know what to tell you. I don’t think there is any way in hell it was one guy who flipped out.

  117. @El Dato
    ‘Nazi’ or ‘Antifa’? Trump campaign ads removed as Facebook rules RED TRIANGLE violated ‘organized hate’ policy

    Several Donald Trump presidential campaign ads were axed by Facebook for violating its policy with a red triangle, which critics say is a Nazi reference. Conservatives insist it’s meant to symbolize Antifa, crying political bias.

    “We removed these posts and ads for violating our policy against organized hate,” a spokesperson said. “Our policy prohibits using a banned hate group’s symbol to identify political prisoners [no, they are not talking about Assange] without the context that condemns or discusses the symbol.” [symbols must be condemned relentlessy and ritualistically]
     

    Observers of the FA/TW/AP/AM/GO autonomous tech zone, occultists and readers of Foucault's Pendulum rejoice!

    Who has heard of a red triangle before?

    From "The Red Triangle", a comic by Andreas (from the 90s I think; that triangle is the wrong way round)

    https://i.postimg.cc/zXRP4S95/triangle-rouge.jpg

    Replies: @Roderick Spode

    Shark attacks. The Red Triangle is right outside San Francisco bay. Biggest concentration of Great Whites on the West Coast.

    I’m glad Trump is finally tackling the superpredator problem.

    🔺

  118. @Lot
    Conspiracy theory: A Biden blowout would have been awful for MSM ratings, so they are hoping to make it a lot closer by “foregrounding” the nuttiest and most obnoxious leftists and boxing Biden into choosing a pro-BLM VP. Maybe Kamala (she/her), who also brings to the table a careerist barren womb, white corporate lawyer husband who lives 600 miles away, sassy hectoring vocal fry, and history of banging her elderly married boss (and having him appoint her to a state board that pays a ton of money and which she had no qualifications for).

    Biden/Harris 2020 - Waiting for whitey to just die already.

    It isn’t that they want Trump to actually win, but that they’d hate 2020 to end up a low-ratings snoozer like 1984 or 1996.

    The main problem with this theory is a common one—it probably assumes too much foresight, intelligence, and organization on the part of America’s corrupt elites.

    Replies: @Fluesterwitz

    Also, wouldn’t this be a lot like 2016, when corporate media tried, more successful than bargained for, to spice up the expected boring Clinton coronation?

    • Agree: Lot
  119. @Morris Applebaum IV
    @BB753

    Well, apparently there is going to be a new federal holiday for blacks, Juneteenth. I had never heard of it until Trump's speech was announced and the Chrome spell check also hasn't heard of it, but here we are. Who is sponsoring it in the Senate? John Cornyn.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    I first heard of Juneteenth when I lived in Texas. It was supposedly the day the blacks learned they had been freed.

  120. Property is expensive, is not easily reproducible. To make something, someone has to have a plan, draw up a blueprint, gather and refine the raw materials, assemble a team of qualified workers, find the financing and then spend days, months or years overcoming obstacles to bring that thing into existence.

    To make a black person, some black dude has to suck on a smoking pipe, down a pint or quart of cheap liquor and unload into some black ho’s itching crotch.

    Seems to me that no amount of black people can ever add up to, replace, or can ever create even one building. The two are not equivalent. One is dear, the other dirt cheap. A black person cannot build what white people can. All they do is replicate. So there’s no basis of comparison.

    Except as slaves, black people cannot build to the level of white civilization. So it may be fairer to ask how many black slaves are equal to so much white-built property. Then at least we have some common grounds for comparison.

  121. Who among us hasn’t burned down a major public building?

  122. Yngvar says:
    June 19, 2020 at 1:08 pm GMT • 100 Words   

    “A system of governance that suppressed our wages, relieved us of property and excluded black people from equal schools and public accommodations is a form of looting.”

    That is all kind of true. It was brought upon blacks by immigration, but a holistic view of race relations in the U.S. just does not fit in prior to an election. It is all black and white. And it is unquestionable. Sad.

  123. They loot so they can resell. Just like all thieves. So here’s to team property. We really need an evil genius plan for survival instead of believing globohomo industrial complex and its government whore.

  124. @Hypnotoad666

    “Why are they looting?”
     
    It's the same answer as the punchline to an old joke: "Why do dogs lick their balls? Answer: Because they can."

    Replies: @Ben tillman, @Jim Don Bob

    I think of that joke often these days.

  125. @mahern
    @GW

    well anyone can edit a Wikipedia article.

    Replies: @Ben tillman

    Not true. Just try editing the article on The Unz Review for instance.

  126. @Kronos
    @R.G. Camara

    The law-abiding good citizens are serfs. They need to be good regardless. It’s not like they have a choice.

    In a country that:

    1) Has the World’s Reserve Currency

    2) Relies almost entirely on Chinese imports for all consumer goods.

    3) No present danger or need for strong reliable men with high IQs and strong work ethics.

    A good citizenry is redundant. But the biggest factor is that Blacks can’t help it. The IQ averages are horrific for a developed society and are provided ample Rosa Parks propaganda to justify rioting. They can’t read, do math, or most abstract reasoning really well. But, they remember Rosa Parks from K-12.

    https://youtu.be/EmgHsOgvfDI

    Blame the Democrats for becoming addicted to needing Black votes for national elections.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Rosie, @Reg Cæsar, @Nicholas Stix

    Blame the Republicans for never fighting on behalf of patriotic, law-abiding whites.

    • Agree: David In TN
  127. “We know the answers by now: Poverty, anger, age, rage and a sense of helplessness. …”

    “To steal stuff.”

    Back during the 1992 L.A. Riot, one of the black females in my office asked another one,

    “Why are they rioting?” To which the second one responded,

    “To steal stuff.”

    This Robin D.G. Kelley is an alleged historian. I wouldn’t trust him to give me the correct time of day.

  128. @Hypnotoad666

    “Why are they looting?”
     
    It's the same answer as the punchline to an old joke: "Why do dogs lick their balls? Answer: Because they can."

    Replies: @Ben tillman, @Jim Don Bob

    Two drunks are walking down the road and see a dog licking his balls.

    One of them says, “I wish I could do that.”

    The other one says, “I dunno. He looks kinda mean.”

    Ba-dum!

  129. @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    Not the concert. He was walking around one of the other hotel/casinos with a football team of security (photo was posted here at one point). The assassination makes plenty of mainstream documented sense until you have to connect it to the concert.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Arabs, like blacks, are notoriously bad shots/ammo wasters but even by Arab standards that’s not believable. 58 dead and 413 wounded and the target was not one of them?

    • Replies: @Bostonvegas
    @Jack D

    Actually....and while I dont believe these numbers I got them from sherriff Lombardo himself on a call in q and a on local radio...the number injured is now in the 900s and the number hit by actual bullets is over 500.

  130. Jack D says:
    June 19, 2020 at 3:22 pm GMT • 100 Words   
    @Jane Plain
    @syonredux

    Thanks. I've always thought that 300 number made no sense & wondered where it came from.

    They also claim that Tulsa was bombed. Really?

    Replies: @Jack D

    Also “Black Wall Street” is a ridiculous exaggeration. They make it sound like Greenwood was Wakanda or something. In fact it was a modest commercial strip with barber shops and drug stores and other small scale local businesses, notable only because the businesses were mostly black owned. Greenwood is to Wall Street as my backyard pool is to the Pacific Ocean (oh, sorry analogies are racist).

    Here is Greenwood before its destruction in all its glory. Note the skyscrapers, the stock exchange, etc. What, you don’t see them? Racist.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @Jack D

    I looked more carefully at the picture, which Jack D offers as an example of black inferiority.

    It may not have been Wall Street, it may not have had "skyscrapers"* but it looks prosperous and civilized. I see the latest model cars and thriving shops and attractive architecture. Comparing this to any number of places in 1920, they were full participants in the modern world of their time.

    Blacks were way better off then than they are now, relative to whites.


    *And, how many skyscrapers were there in NYC in 1920? I'm sure Art Deco will chime in with an exhaustive account of skyscraper building in NYC, beginning with the Flatiron building....

    Replies: @bruce county

    , @bruce county
    @Jack D

    What????? They didn't have 24" wheels back then.

  131. @Art Deco
    I've been noodling around GoogleScholar to locate an example of his scholarship - i.e. papers written consequent to archival and / or archaeological research. I find one monograph, which was a re-working of his dissertation. The man has placed dozens of articles in obscure periodicals over three decades, but he has done almost no original research. Essays, broadsides, book reviews, commentaries, but no original research. To give you an idea, Paul Sweezy's Monthly Review is one of the more extensively distributed publications in which his writing has appeared. He did produce a chapter for an anthology assembled by Howard Zinn (who himself produced just 3 or 4 original works over a period of 55 years).

    In the ordinary course of affairs, he might be an associate professor at a sketchy teaching institution. As we speak, he has an endowed chair at a research university (itself a Public Ivy). He's a parody academic. This is how white privilege works.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @William Badwhite, @Jane Plain

    AD, a hearty congrats is in order.

    You provided citations rather than mere assertion, you wrote clearly and in 21st century English, you didn’t start a sentence with “no clue why…”, and your last paragraph provided a nice summary and conclusion to the rest of your post.

    Additionally, your post was on-topic rather than merely an admonishment of some other poster.

    Your work is getting better and you’re growing up. Keep up the progress and even Mr. Anon is going to have to give credit.

  132. It looks like a nice, tidy strip. No need to pile on.

    When blacks ran their own areas back in the day, they were capable of doing a decent job of it. They probably repressed their criminal element ferociously.

    Gone with the wind now.

    I’m working my way through the report Syonredux provided (thank you again). It’s not an easy read because it’s a compendium of various contributors.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Jane Plain

    From Wikipedia of all places:



    Greenwood District, Tulsa

    Oklahoma was known to have some of the harshest and most unjust Jim Crow laws in the country. Some economists theorize this forced many African-Americans to spend their money where they would feel welcomed, effectively insulating cash flow to within the black community and allowing Greenwood to flourish and prosper.

     

    Wikipedia praises segregation. Cancel Wikipedia.
  133. @R.G. Camara
    @J.Ross

    Las Vegas is just one more on the long list of FBI failures/coverups that never get mentioned.

    Largest mass shooting in U.S. history by an old guy with no criminal record or history of violence or firearms ownership who used firepower that it was incredibly difficult, illegal, and expensive to possess and meticulously planned his murder spree.

    *Poof*

    Down the memory hole.

    The FBI is corrupt, kids. This is why Antifa is running roughshod over our cities.

    P.S. The only two things I can think that it was: (1) an attempted use of MKULTRA brainwashing by someone who wanted to get people killed; or (2) a diversionary tactic from some nefarious crime going on elsewhere.

    The key is the supposed shooter. Why the fcuk would a normal law-abiding guy do it? Blackmail or brainwashing?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Lot, @BenKenobi, @Hypnotoad666, @Bostonvegas

    The vegas cover up is a complete embarrassment…no one (literally) believes the official story….I actually got to ask sherriff Lombardi about the incident on a local radio show and am pretty sure he lied….no one who was on the ground that night believes in the one shooter scenario…vegas strong my ass

  134. @Ian Smith
    @syonredux

    Mike Enoch has done a great job showing that the Tulsa Riots weren’t what they seemed. More tit-for-tat than a one sided anti-black pogrom.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Jane Plain

    Mike Enoch has done a great job showing that the Tulsa Riots weren’t what they seemed. More tit-for-tat than a one sided anti-black pogrom.

    Could have started as A then turned to B.

  135. @Art Deco
    I've been noodling around GoogleScholar to locate an example of his scholarship - i.e. papers written consequent to archival and / or archaeological research. I find one monograph, which was a re-working of his dissertation. The man has placed dozens of articles in obscure periodicals over three decades, but he has done almost no original research. Essays, broadsides, book reviews, commentaries, but no original research. To give you an idea, Paul Sweezy's Monthly Review is one of the more extensively distributed publications in which his writing has appeared. He did produce a chapter for an anthology assembled by Howard Zinn (who himself produced just 3 or 4 original works over a period of 55 years).

    In the ordinary course of affairs, he might be an associate professor at a sketchy teaching institution. As we speak, he has an endowed chair at a research university (itself a Public Ivy). He's a parody academic. This is how white privilege works.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @William Badwhite, @Jane Plain

    It’s Elite White Ivy Privilege.

    Put any clown you want into an endowed chair. Watch the rest of the world take the buffoon seriously.

    If that isn’t privilege, what is?

  136. @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    --Saudi ownership of upper floors of relevant building
    --Saudi ruling class embroiled in a war over succession
    --Saudi successor and radical reformer in town that night, wearing preposterous red sneakers, confirmed and on multiple security cameras
    --Saudi noble bad guys interned later in a Saudi hotel and asked extraordinary questions
    I'm totally on board it with it possibly being a failed assassination attempt. I don't have an explanation for it becoming the last act of The Jackal: we failed the assassination attempt, so instead of quietly escaping to reattempt later, let's kill a huge number of totally unrelated bystanders and end any chance we had at escape.
    Then again there were an undeniably huge number of rage attacks by lefties, to include an attempted assassination of congressmen, and the putative ideology of country music fans would be the target of "motiveless" shooters like James Hodgkinson.
    Maybe two groups met and fell out?
    I don't see a case for anything else or for the special airport which was nearby, which was thought to have been a target at one point.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bostonvegas

    I never thought it was a coincidence that the only Congresman that actually got hit was steve scalise…who happened to be the face of anti human trafficking awareness and legislation including a superbowl commercial on the topic

    • Agree: J.Ross
  137. @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    Arabs, like blacks, are notoriously bad shots/ammo wasters but even by Arab standards that's not believable. 58 dead and 413 wounded and the target was not one of them?

    Replies: @Bostonvegas

    Actually….and while I dont believe these numbers I got them from sherriff Lombardo himself on a call in q and a on local radio…the number injured is now in the 900s and the number hit by actual bullets is over 500.

  138. Redman says:
    June 19, 2020 at 3:56 pm GMT • 300 Words   
    @notsaying
    @Charon

    Of course black on white crime bothers me. All crime bothers me. But what all the discussion has been about recently are the things that negatively affect blacks.

    What are you saying? What's wrong with not focussing on white people?

    Replies: @Redman

    Agree. It’s a truism that all crime is bad. But the fact is (1) black on black crime is statistically more of a problem nationally, and thus (2) black citizens depend upon the police for protection more than whites. And I would add that (3) NYC has not experienced much of this for the last 20 years.

    I’ve lived in NYC for 33 years and worked as a criminal defense attorney my first 4 years out of law school. Since I left criminal law in 2000, I’ve had almost zero contact with the police. What most people in Manhattan (outside of a few black/hispanic projects) know about the police is mostly from TV and movies.

    During Guiliani’s terms, there were 3 high profile scandals involving police violence (Abner Louima, Amadou Diallo and Patrick Dorismand). In 1997, Louima was beaten severely and sodomized with a broom handle by an officer now serving a 30-year sentence. In 1999, Diallo was accidentally shot 41 times and killed by four undercover officers in a special crimes unit spooked when they mistakenly thought Diallo was reaching for a gun, but was in fact reaching for his ID. In 2000, Dorismand became involved in an altercation with an undercover narc who had asked him if he knew where to buy drugs, and was shot and killed by a second narc on the scene.

    Since 2000, there have been very if few if any high profile police brutality/excessive force cases in the NY press. Crime has plummeted to such an extent here, that the pendulum has swiftly swung to protecting criminal rights, eliminating bail, decriminalizing minor drug offenses and so forth.

    It’s very hard to believe that blacks in NYC are “protesting” because of the (accidental?) killing of a man in Minneapolis. Most blacks in NY probably don’t give a shit about George Floyd, and certainly wouldn’t be looting if they hadn’t been given the green light by the limousine liberal/radical chic Marxists and the pols who support their so-called “right to protest.”

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  139. Redman says:
    June 19, 2020 at 4:08 pm GMT • 100 Words   
    @Anonymous
    Joe Rogan's mind is pure. He's noticing the looting, but he's noticing that it's mostly "white kids...running in to get free Nikes" and after watching "a 100 videos" he's seen "like 4 black people looting":

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSAL73d8iMs

    Replies: @Redman

    Strange indeed. He sees what he wants to see I suppose.

    The truth: it’s mostly blacks looting. But it’s mostly whites who are encouraging them. There are no “black panther” leaders for this generation of blacks. They’re far less organized and less cohesive as a group then ever. Moderate black older women are not buying radical revolution as a message.

    It seems to me that Biden won the primary, but Bernie’s followers and their message won over the party. The latter are now in control of the narrative and the career pols are just going along with it for the ride. Biden has been quite reticent on what’s happening. But pretty soon he’s going to have to speak about it. And in the coming months, how he he tries to bridge the gap of corporate/neoliberalism and far left’s message of radical revolution will be interesting to see.

  140. @El Dato
    @J.Ross

    Will General Petraeus come out of retirement?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Look at Mattis and Kelly feeling relevant: why not?

  141. Forbes says:
    June 19, 2020 at 4:23 pm GMT • 100 Words   
    @kaganovitch
    I found it ironic that the New York Stock Exchange went silent for 8 minutes 46 seconds during George Floyd’s funeral, even though Wall Street has profited from police misconduct. Cities and counties sometimes have to issue bonds to pay out these settlements; banks collect fees for their services and investors earn interest

    Using this logic, the beneficiaries of the payouts that necessitate the bonds are even more complicit.

    Replies: @Forbes

    The beneficiaries of the payouts are complicit in the misconduct. Perfect!

    It’s as if the writer has uncovered a tacit conspiracy between the police and the victims of misconduct to fleece the taxpayers.

    Police: We’ll treat you to some rough justice to keep up our bona fides with taxpayers.
    Man on the street: And I’ll sue the city for a lottery ticket payday. It’s a win-win.

  142. Redman says:
    June 19, 2020 at 4:24 pm GMT • 100 Words   
    @Anon
    I saw a Fox news segment on YouTube yesterday (can’t find it now) on which three black guests discussed the Atlanta situation. One was the current mayor of L.A.-area Inglewood and former chief of their police department (and he by the way seems kind of dumb), and his take was that the guy had had a lot of bad breaks, and was on parole for a DUI, and when they brought in the DUI team to test him, he panicked and ran because he knew he was headed to jail. The mayor thought that a more compassionate police officer would have let it go, had the guy walk home, leaving his car in the Wendy’s parking lot.

    Seriuosly? Is DUI some sort of minor crime in the black community? DUI drivers kill kids. A compassionate cop would go out of his way to put a repeat DUI offender behind bars for a long time, not let him off.

    Replies: @Redman, @Jack D

    I live in an upscale part of Westchester with practically no crime. The occasional bicycle is stolen from a front yard by visitors from a black neighborhood, or a car stolen from a driveway with the keys left in the drivers seat (seriously, this happened to my neighbor).

    But the cops tell me that almost every arrest (and there are many) they make is for DUI. In some white suburban towns that’s the “only” thing you get taken to jail for.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @Redman

    Crestwood? This just happened a few doors down last week.

  143. PSR says:
    June 19, 2020 at 4:33 pm GMT • 100 Words   
    @Undocumented Shopper
    They did not allow readers to comment on this article.
    Very telling.

    Replies: @Anon, @PSR, @Abolish_public_education

    Haven’t most papers quit allowing on-line comments? I know our local paper – The Columbus Dispatch (actually not ‘local’ anymore but owned by whomever publishes USA Today, and it shows) -quit allowing comments claiming they were getting too extreme. Funnily enough they publish a Sunday section called The Conversation. You can guess what the lectures are typically about.

    Slightly OT, this paper is now published in Indianapolis which is about 4 hours away. I predict its final demise in hard copy format will occur when sports start up again and people realize yesterday’s games, unless they started at noon, aren’t covered in the next day’s paper. Do they imagine sports fans will wait two days to read a summary of games in the sports they’re interested in?

    • Replies: @Undocumented Shopper
    @PSR


    Haven’t most papers quit allowing on-line comments?
     
    Many newspapers have eliminated comment sections.
    But The New York Times has not. Sometimes they allow comments, sometimes they don't. So there is an editorial decision there. And one can make inferences about editors' biases. Also, which topics commoners are allowed to discuss and which topics are reserved for vetted MSM priests.
  144. @Rob
    There’s a lot I don’t like about the nationalist-populist right. Not least how awful a civil war would be(I’d do badly), but the science denialism doesn’t bode well for solving problems.

    Some of it I think is due to situational alliances. Global warming denialism is because oil is a big industry and export, and the oil industry is reliably conservative. But that’s just because the Republicans value corporate profits over a cleaner environment. If we reshored manufacturing, then there would be more conservative, profitable industries.

    Maybe reshoring will happen naturally as automation advances? That would largely negate the labor cost advantage. China is already turning into a high wage country, but they don’t seem to be shedding industry like we did. They did lose textiles to SE Asia, I think. Guess there’s no big, populous, High IQ China 2 for them to lose industry to. Does the last country to industrialize keep the industry when everything is automated? I mean, if you make widgets, and you need parts from 3 sub-widget manufacturers, it is a lot easier when those are across the street..

    That sounds like a collective-action problem that an industrial policy could help with. Even if factory employment never reached previous levels, at least the factories would be paying US taxes. Except the donor class has decided capital should not be taxed. Think Biden would change that? The Republicans won’t.

    I read a piece in the NYT about how people think the country is getting much Worse. Eleven hundred comments, and all the ones I read blamed Trump. Trump hasn’t helped much of anything, but would Hilary have done much better? I mean, it is reasonable to assume she usedSecretary of State to collect funds for her charity. But that doesn’t make Trump a good President,

    Anyway, on the article, it seems to me that when your policies or non-actions are allowing a flood of aliens into the country. When one party is crowing that when the paper-American children hit adulthood, the countries current and founding people will have no influence on politics and is dying out, driven to extinction by pressure from the aliens. When your subversion of democracy is close to starting a civil war that you will lose if it happens In the next 20 years, you stop fucking cheating. That idea never crosses their minds. Nope all Trump’s fault,

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    Global warming denialism is because oil is a big industry and export, and the oil industry is reliably conservative. But that’s just because the Republicans value corporate profits over a cleaner environment. If we reshored manufacturing, then there would be more conservative, profitable industries.

    As a general rule, you should not pretend you know why people hold certain views if you haven’t discussed them with them. You can’t mind-read (as far as I can tell). Pretending you can makes you sound like a college student that believes there are easy solutions to most issues.

    By “global warming denialism” I assume you meant people that doubt climate change (whether cooling or warming) is both caused by mankind AND that there is anything that can be done. I have these views and its not because “oil is a big industry and export” or because I value “corporate profits over a cleaner environment”. Its because I have basic common sense and because I distrust dishonest leftists (that’s repetitive I suppose) with Rube Goldberg solutions to complex problems that seem to always include said leftists having more power and money.

    As an aside, if you really believed in man-made “climate change” as well as the causes we’re often given, you would vociferously oppose mass 3rd world immigration.

  145. @Jack D
    @Jane Plain

    Also "Black Wall Street" is a ridiculous exaggeration. They make it sound like Greenwood was Wakanda or something. In fact it was a modest commercial strip with barber shops and drug stores and other small scale local businesses, notable only because the businesses were mostly black owned. Greenwood is to Wall Street as my backyard pool is to the Pacific Ocean (oh, sorry analogies are racist).

    Here is Greenwood before its destruction in all its glory. Note the skyscrapers, the stock exchange, etc. What, you don't see them? Racist.

    https://daily.jstor.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/BlackWallStreetBefore.jpg

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @bruce county

    I looked more carefully at the picture, which Jack D offers as an example of black inferiority.

    It may not have been Wall Street, it may not have had “skyscrapers”* but it looks prosperous and civilized. I see the latest model cars and thriving shops and attractive architecture. Comparing this to any number of places in 1920, they were full participants in the modern world of their time.

    Blacks were way better off then than they are now, relative to whites.

    *And, how many skyscrapers were there in NYC in 1920? I’m sure Art Deco will chime in with an exhaustive account of skyscraper building in NYC, beginning with the Flatiron building….

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Replies: @bruce county
    @Jane Plain

    The Empire State building was Art Deco....LOL

  146. Jack D says:
    June 19, 2020 at 5:00 pm GMT • 200 Words   
    @Anon
    I saw a Fox news segment on YouTube yesterday (can’t find it now) on which three black guests discussed the Atlanta situation. One was the current mayor of L.A.-area Inglewood and former chief of their police department (and he by the way seems kind of dumb), and his take was that the guy had had a lot of bad breaks, and was on parole for a DUI, and when they brought in the DUI team to test him, he panicked and ran because he knew he was headed to jail. The mayor thought that a more compassionate police officer would have let it go, had the guy walk home, leaving his car in the Wendy’s parking lot.

    Seriuosly? Is DUI some sort of minor crime in the black community? DUI drivers kill kids. A compassionate cop would go out of his way to put a repeat DUI offender behind bars for a long time, not let him off.

    Replies: @Redman, @Jack D

    Seriuosly? Is DUI some sort of minor crime in the black community?

    Yes, compared to what they have otherwise, DUI is the least of their problems. There are plenty of blacks that have been arrested 10, 20, 50, even 100 times for various violent offenses.

    Even in the white community, for a long time DUI was treated they way that the mayor recommended. To some extent it still is for a first offense, though they might make you take a class or something and then your record gets expunged.

    However, in looking at accident statistics, they noticed that in a high % of horrible gruesome crashes that not only was the driver drunk but that he had been arrested for being drunk before, often on multiple occasions and they realized that habitual drunk drivers are walking time bombs. At a minimum, after the 2nd offense they make you get a breathalyzer lock for your car – before you can drive you have to blow into the thing to prove that you aren’t drunk. Taking the license away doesn’t work because they will just drive without a license. In the black and immigrant community, a large % of drivers lack either a license or insurance or both, even though they are supposedly legally required.

  147. @Ian Smith
    @syonredux

    Mike Enoch has done a great job showing that the Tulsa Riots weren’t what they seemed. More tit-for-tat than a one sided anti-black pogrom.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Jane Plain

    Jesus. I listened to the podcast, and it’s Mike Enoch Mike Enoching.

    When it’s left to the likes of Mike Enoch to be the opposition, we are so fucked.

    • Disagree: BenKenobi
  148. @PSR
    @Undocumented Shopper

    Haven't most papers quit allowing on-line comments? I know our local paper - The Columbus Dispatch (actually not 'local' anymore but owned by whomever publishes USA Today, and it shows) -quit allowing comments claiming they were getting too extreme. Funnily enough they publish a Sunday section called The Conversation. You can guess what the lectures are typically about.

    Slightly OT, this paper is now published in Indianapolis which is about 4 hours away. I predict its final demise in hard copy format will occur when sports start up again and people realize yesterday's games, unless they started at noon, aren't covered in the next day's paper. Do they imagine sports fans will wait two days to read a summary of games in the sports they're interested in?

    Replies: @Undocumented Shopper

    Haven’t most papers quit allowing on-line comments?

    Many newspapers have eliminated comment sections.
    But The New York Times has not. Sometimes they allow comments, sometimes they don’t. So there is an editorial decision there. And one can make inferences about editors’ biases. Also, which topics commoners are allowed to discuss and which topics are reserved for vetted MSM priests.

  149. Evidently the King of Dahomey believed that African blacks weren’t worth the trouble of keeping around and sold them off as a commodity, like so much livestock, by the pound or head. And, having lived with them intimately for many years, I would assume that the King of Dahomey would have been very familiar with their worth or market value.

    So, it is misleading to ask how or why property is valued over black lives; they are one and the same thing. Blacks ARE property or rather, they are valuable only AS property. And even as a commodity they are so bothersome to domesticate and expensive and time-consuming to keep, as well as being so abundant, that they are valueless. They are, quite simply, more trouble than they are worth. And throughout history, everyone who has dealt with them has come to this selfsame conclusion.

  150. @Jack D
    @Jane Plain

    Also "Black Wall Street" is a ridiculous exaggeration. They make it sound like Greenwood was Wakanda or something. In fact it was a modest commercial strip with barber shops and drug stores and other small scale local businesses, notable only because the businesses were mostly black owned. Greenwood is to Wall Street as my backyard pool is to the Pacific Ocean (oh, sorry analogies are racist).

    Here is Greenwood before its destruction in all its glory. Note the skyscrapers, the stock exchange, etc. What, you don't see them? Racist.

    https://daily.jstor.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/BlackWallStreetBefore.jpg

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @bruce county

    What????? They didn’t have 24″ wheels back then.

  151. @Jane Plain
    It looks like a nice, tidy strip. No need to pile on.

    When blacks ran their own areas back in the day, they were capable of doing a decent job of it. They probably repressed their criminal element ferociously.

    Gone with the wind now.

    I'm working my way through the report Syonredux provided (thank you again). It's not an easy read because it's a compendium of various contributors.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

    From Wikipedia of all places:

    Greenwood District, Tulsa

    Oklahoma was known to have some of the harshest and most unjust Jim Crow laws in the country. Some economists theorize this forced many African-Americans to spend their money where they would feel welcomed, effectively insulating cash flow to within the black community and allowing Greenwood to flourish and prosper.

    Wikipedia praises segregation. Cancel Wikipedia.

  152. @Colin Wright
    'Tulsa was only 98 years ago, people. How many more recent events can you name? Let me see, there was FDR’s redlining and Emmett Till and … nope, that’s about it. Tulsa is the third most recent important thing ever to happen in America. Therefore, it must have caused whatever bad things blacks are doing now.'

    Tulsa also began with a black mob murderously attacking a white crowd. Look it up.

    The whites then retaliated. Back then, it was a bad idea to screw with us.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Pop Warner

    The white mob formed to lynch a black man for raping a white woman (women don’t lie about rape, remember!) and the Tulsa police officers kept them at bay and protected the accused. It didn’t spiral out of control until an armed black mob showed up and fired on the whites. The evil racist police were actually doing their job to protect a black man from a white mob but of course their complicity is always mentioned

  153. Hey Steve, did’ja hear about the 50 ATM bombings during the Philadelphia riots?

    The WannabeWonk
    @PotempkinBrain

    “I am putting together a thread on the 50≥ ATM bombings in Philadelphia since the George Floyd protests spread to that city. It is my hope to compare/contrast these bombings to ATM bombings in Europe, perhaps leading to a long-form primer on the topic.”

    “Experts on ATM security say the string of explosions in Philadelphia this week is unprecedented. The U.S. has about half a million ATMs and probably fewer than 50 are blown up each year, said David Lott, a payments risk expert at the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta.”

    Their pharmacies got hit bad, too – with mostly narcotics and insulin being stolen.

    Philly pharmacies reeling, rebuilding after more than a third were looted

    By Miles Bryan, June 11, 2020

    https://whyy.org/articles/philly-pharmacies-reeling-rebuilding-after-more-than-a-third-were-looted/

    • Replies: @mousey
    @Stunned Billionaire

    What's the deal with insulin?

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Stunned Billionaire

    The top countries for ATMs, per capita, are Macau, Canada, and San Marino.


    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/10-countries-with-the-highest-number-of-atms-per-capita.html

    Macau's high figure, of course, is due to a certain other variety of theft there. San Marino? I don't know... gun sales? Things of which the legality in America horrifies Europeans are nevertheless sold openly in San Marino's shops.


    It’s Wayne La Pierre’s wet dream up there, but the shop-keeps claim that they do not sell ammunition and the automatic rifles and Glocks are “just for war simulation games”. Sure, dude. And I still weigh what it says on my California drivers license...


    https://desto3.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/DSC_6465.jpg

    https://desto3.com/2014/05/25/the-republic-of-san-marino/
     

    In case you're wondering, Macau would fit 86,000 times into Canada, San Marino 163,000 times.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

  154. @JohnnyWalker123
    So it's been almost a year since Jeffrey Epstein died.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Uk7XRbf_w

    Did we ever figure out what happened there? Like, how did he die exactly?

    Does it really take a year to figure out if one man committed "suicide?"

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Easyrhino

    Are we sure Epstein is really dead or is he recovering from plastic surgery in some penthouse in Tel-Aviv?

  155. @Undocumented Shopper
    They did not allow readers to comment on this article.
    Very telling.

    Replies: @Anon, @PSR, @Abolish_public_education

    Since public education has not yet been abolished, one can contact Profster Kelley at his office:

    [email protected]

  156. @Jane Plain
    @Jack D

    I looked more carefully at the picture, which Jack D offers as an example of black inferiority.

    It may not have been Wall Street, it may not have had "skyscrapers"* but it looks prosperous and civilized. I see the latest model cars and thriving shops and attractive architecture. Comparing this to any number of places in 1920, they were full participants in the modern world of their time.

    Blacks were way better off then than they are now, relative to whites.


    *And, how many skyscrapers were there in NYC in 1920? I'm sure Art Deco will chime in with an exhaustive account of skyscraper building in NYC, beginning with the Flatiron building....

    Replies: @bruce county

    The Empire State building was Art Deco….LOL

    • LOL: Jane Plain
  157. “…black people are being killed before our eyes”

    Indeed they are. In Baltimore, in Chicago’s South Side, Newark, Oakland, etc. etc.

  158. @Dr. Doom
    Just over a century ago, blacks were considered valuable property.

    What a change we have seen since then, eh?

    Replies: @LittleNano, @James Speaks

    Just over a century ago was, like, thw years of WWI.

  159. @Stunned Billionaire
    Hey Steve, did'ja hear about the 50 ATM bombings during the Philadelphia riots?

    The WannabeWonk
    @PotempkinBrain

    "I am putting together a thread on the 50≥ ATM bombings in Philadelphia since the George Floyd protests spread to that city. It is my hope to compare/contrast these bombings to ATM bombings in Europe, perhaps leading to a long-form primer on the topic."

    "Experts on ATM security say the string of explosions in Philadelphia this week is unprecedented. The U.S. has about half a million ATMs and probably fewer than 50 are blown up each year, said David Lott, a payments risk expert at the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta."

    https://twitter.com/PotempkinBrain/status/1269801320644595713

    Their pharmacies got hit bad, too - with mostly narcotics and insulin being stolen.

    Philly pharmacies reeling, rebuilding after more than a third were looted

    By Miles Bryan, June 11, 2020

    https://whyy.org/articles/philly-pharmacies-reeling-rebuilding-after-more-than-a-third-were-looted/

    Replies: @mousey, @Reg Cæsar

    What’s the deal with insulin?

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @mousey

    https://www.vox.com/2019/4/3/18293950/why-is-insulin-so-expensive


    The cost of the four most popular types of insulin has tripled over the past decade, and the out-of-pocket prescription costs patients now face have doubled. By 2016, the average price per month rose to $450 — and costs continue to rise, so much so that as many as one in four people with diabetes are now skimping on or skipping lifesaving doses.
    ...

    The US is a global outlier on money spent on the drug, representing only 15 percent of the global insulin market and generating almost half of the pharmaceutical industry’s insulin revenue. According to a recent study in JAMA Internal Medicine, in the 1990s Medicaid paid between $2.36 and $4.43 per unit of insulin; by 2014, those prices more than tripled, depending on the formulation. ...

    “The list price of these products are already out of reach for most Americans living with diabetes — in some cases, over $300 a vial,” he said. “It is also strange to see Humulin still priced at over $150 a vial considering this product was first sold in the US in 1982.” ...

    Some are forced to head to Canada, where drug prices are more heavily regulated and, according to the new NEJM editorial, where a carton of insulin costs $20 instead of the $300 patients often pay in the US.
     
    That last point is interesting: 15x the price for the same thing.

    I'm no fan of BLM, but the protests seems to have ended forever the credibility of the elite on lockdowns. Also, I credit them with maybe lowering the police shooting rates, saving white lives along with maybe some black ones. If blacks, who are more likely to be diabetic than whites, can make the extractive prices for insulin a BLM matter, maybe they can do something good here too.

    Eli Lilly claims they need the money for innovation. But:
    https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/lilly-ceo-ricks-scores-big-pay-bump-to-21-3m-beating-out-other-big-pharma-ceos

    He got that big pay bump because the stock rose. Why?
    https://www.fiercepharma.com/special-report/eli-lilly-4
    Revenue in 2019: $16.21 billion
    Value of repurchased stock 2019: $4.1 billion
    Value of repurchased stock 2018: $3.05 billion
    Dividends paid 2019: $1.82 billion
    Dividends paid 2018: $1.42 billion

    Replies: @anon

  160. George says:
    June 20, 2020 at 1:05 am GMT • 100 Words   

    Off topic, white woman shot by police.

    Pettis County sheriff pens letter urging calm after death of Hannah Fizer
    Sheriff said outcry is developing into “dangerous situation” for community

    https://www.kmbc.com/article/pettis-county-sheriff-pens-letter-urging-calm-after-death-of-hannah-fizer/32903318

    Hundreds rally outside sheriff’s office demanding justice for Missouri woman killed by police

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/06/19/fize-j19.html

  161. @Stunned Billionaire
    Hey Steve, did'ja hear about the 50 ATM bombings during the Philadelphia riots?

    The WannabeWonk
    @PotempkinBrain

    "I am putting together a thread on the 50≥ ATM bombings in Philadelphia since the George Floyd protests spread to that city. It is my hope to compare/contrast these bombings to ATM bombings in Europe, perhaps leading to a long-form primer on the topic."

    "Experts on ATM security say the string of explosions in Philadelphia this week is unprecedented. The U.S. has about half a million ATMs and probably fewer than 50 are blown up each year, said David Lott, a payments risk expert at the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta."

    https://twitter.com/PotempkinBrain/status/1269801320644595713

    Their pharmacies got hit bad, too - with mostly narcotics and insulin being stolen.

    Philly pharmacies reeling, rebuilding after more than a third were looted

    By Miles Bryan, June 11, 2020

    https://whyy.org/articles/philly-pharmacies-reeling-rebuilding-after-more-than-a-third-were-looted/

    Replies: @mousey, @Reg Cæsar

    The top countries for ATMs, per capita, are Macau, Canada, and San Marino.

    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/10-countries-with-the-highest-number-of-atms-per-capita.html

    Macau’s high figure, of course, is due to a certain other variety of theft there. San Marino? I don’t know… gun sales? Things of which the legality in America horrifies Europeans are nevertheless sold openly in San Marino’s shops.

    It’s Wayne La Pierre’s wet dream up there, but the shop-keeps claim that they do not sell ammunition and the automatic rifles and Glocks are “just for war simulation games”. Sure, dude. And I still weigh what it says on my California drivers license…


    https://desto3.com/2014/05/25/the-republic-of-san-marino/

    In case you’re wondering, Macau would fit 86,000 times into Canada, San Marino 163,000 times.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Reg Cæsar

    The "guns" have orange colored muzzles... apparently toys.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @anon

  162. anon[117] • Disclaimer says:
    June 20, 2020 at 3:16 am GMT • 200 Words   

    What Kind of Society Values Property Over Black Lives?

    Say, thats a really interesting question. Let’s just try to imagine…what kind of society would value property…

    …over black lives?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/trial-of-16-year-old-charged-with-killing-teen-over-air-jordan-sneakers-begins/2018/07/13/f689c6f4-8699-11e8-8f6c-46cb43e3f306_story.html

    Just four days after the 17-year-old received his new $250 sneakers, D.C. prosecutors say a teen wearing a hooded sweatshirt approached James on a basketball court at the Frederick Douglass Community Center in Southeast Washington. They said the youth pointed a gun at James and said, “Give me those shoes.”

    The two fought briefly that Dec. 18 evening and James took off running. Seconds later, two of James’s friends would later tell authorities that they heard gunshots. They found James in the street, about a half block away. He had been shot twice in the back. His new sneakers were gone, his feet in only socks.

    What kind of society values shoes over lives? Why would anyone want to live anywhere near it?

    Do black lives really matter? Or are they less valuable than…new Air Jordans?

    Yeah, let’s have that “dialog on race” sometime….real soon.

    • Agree: BB753
  163. @Reg Cæsar
    @Stunned Billionaire

    The top countries for ATMs, per capita, are Macau, Canada, and San Marino.


    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/10-countries-with-the-highest-number-of-atms-per-capita.html

    Macau's high figure, of course, is due to a certain other variety of theft there. San Marino? I don't know... gun sales? Things of which the legality in America horrifies Europeans are nevertheless sold openly in San Marino's shops.


    It’s Wayne La Pierre’s wet dream up there, but the shop-keeps claim that they do not sell ammunition and the automatic rifles and Glocks are “just for war simulation games”. Sure, dude. And I still weigh what it says on my California drivers license...


    https://desto3.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/DSC_6465.jpg

    https://desto3.com/2014/05/25/the-republic-of-san-marino/
     

    In case you're wondering, Macau would fit 86,000 times into Canada, San Marino 163,000 times.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    The “guns” have orange colored muzzles… apparently toys.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Joe Stalin


    The “guns” have orange colored muzzles… apparently toys.
     
    Perhaps they expect you to buy them before you get the real muzzles? It would certainly frustrate looters.

    Not that there's been any looting in San Marino, but the poor little serene republic recently topped the world rankings for Covid-19. Not a good year for them.
    , @anon
    @Joe Stalin

    Yeah, toys or maybe airsofts. San Marino gun laws are Italian gun laws. They are ... complicated.

    No caliber currently in use by any military, for example.

  164. Video captures terrifying moment New Yorkers launch illegal FIREWORKS at each other

    0:52 NYPD roll on by, they show respect by not firing on the police car like they would in Europe.

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=Cbrsm_1592584178

  165. @syonredux
    @Colin Wright


    Tulsa also began with a black mob murderously attacking a white crowd. Look it up.
     
    Yup, and Blacks did most of the killing on the first day of the riot:



    Day one death toll:

    Whites: 10

    Blacks: 2

    And the high numbers of deaths that you see people tossing around (100 to 300) are just pulled out of thin air. The official tally from The Oklahoma Commission to Study the Tulsa Race Riot of 1921 is 39 deaths(counting a stillborn infant), 26 Blacks and 13 Whites, which is quite a distance from the mass slaughter of legend:

    https://www.okhistory.org/research/forms/freport.pdf

    Replies: @GW, @Jane Plain, @TomSchmidt

    But…but… 60 Minutes didn’t mention any of this. It’s like they whitewashed the story.

  166. @Reg Cæsar

    Our country was built on looting — the looting of Indigenous lands
     
    You can always help solve this by returning to the old country yourself.

    and African labor.
     
    Now there's an oxymoron. (About oxey morons, no less.)

    Our bodies were loot.
     
    And a lot of snatched purses contain nothing but sticky old cosmetics and lint. Theft is not always value added.

    The forced extraction of our labor was loot.
     
    What labor? Blacks don't work when they have plenty of incentive; why would they back when they had none?

    I can understand the black embrace of voodoo economics claiming that black presence led to America's wealth. What I can't understand is the similar embrace by whites, and not just leftist whites, but even some here. It goes against all common sense, and is the basis for the reparations nonsense.

    It turns Richard Lynn's lifetime of research upside-down. Here is the estimated-- probably overestimated-- IQs of the states in 1860:

    South Carolina 83
    Mississippi 83.5
    Florida 91
    Alabama 86.5
    Georgia 87
    Louisiana 86
    Texas 91
    Virginia 91
    Arkansas 92
    North Carolina 90
    Tennessee 92.5
    Kentucky 94
    Maryland 96
    Missouri 97
    Delaware 99
    All other states are assumed to be at 100
     
    .

    Replies: @syonredux, @TomSchmidt

    “Blacks don’t work when they have plenty of incentive; why would they back when they had none?”

    Ugh. Two points. First, as Thomas Sowell pointed out, for quite a while before the Depression the Black Unemployment rate was lower than the white unemployment rate (he doesn’t give a reason; maybe some of the whites were European immigrants and not fluent. Who knows.) passage of minimum wage laws, according to Sowell, cut off young blacks from the market because their labor starting out was not worth white labor. He credits higher black unemployment rates from this time.

    Second is the admonition,cleaned up, that a white person was seen to “work like a negro.” In other words, it was widely recognized that hard work was the province of blacks, and the whites should be a leisurely overclass.

    The fact that today the largely white elite class admonishes us to “work smarter, not harder,” and can scam wealth through the Fed, instead of earning it by the sweat of its brow, shows that the sentiment continues today. except now the Negroes being disparaged includes the entire working class and most of the middle class.

  167. @Redman
    @Anon

    I live in an upscale part of Westchester with practically no crime. The occasional bicycle is stolen from a front yard by visitors from a black neighborhood, or a car stolen from a driveway with the keys left in the drivers seat (seriously, this happened to my neighbor).

    But the cops tell me that almost every arrest (and there are many) they make is for DUI. In some white suburban towns that's the "only" thing you get taken to jail for.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    Crestwood? This just happened a few doors down last week.

  168. @mousey
    @Stunned Billionaire

    What's the deal with insulin?

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    https://www.vox.com/2019/4/3/18293950/why-is-insulin-so-expensive

    The cost of the four most popular types of insulin has tripled over the past decade, and the out-of-pocket prescription costs patients now face have doubled. By 2016, the average price per month rose to $450 — and costs continue to rise, so much so that as many as one in four people with diabetes are now skimping on or skipping lifesaving doses.

    The US is a global outlier on money spent on the drug, representing only 15 percent of the global insulin market and generating almost half of the pharmaceutical industry’s insulin revenue. According to a recent study in JAMA Internal Medicine, in the 1990s Medicaid paid between $2.36 and $4.43 per unit of insulin; by 2014, those prices more than tripled, depending on the formulation. …

    “The list price of these products are already out of reach for most Americans living with diabetes — in some cases, over $300 a vial,” he said. “It is also strange to see Humulin still priced at over $150 a vial considering this product was first sold in the US in 1982.” …

    Some are forced to head to Canada, where drug prices are more heavily regulated and, according to the new NEJM editorial, where a carton of insulin costs $20 instead of the $300 patients often pay in the US.

    That last point is interesting: 15x the price for the same thing.

    I’m no fan of BLM, but the protests seems to have ended forever the credibility of the elite on lockdowns. Also, I credit them with maybe lowering the police shooting rates, saving white lives along with maybe some black ones. If blacks, who are more likely to be diabetic than whites, can make the extractive prices for insulin a BLM matter, maybe they can do something good here too.

    Eli Lilly claims they need the money for innovation. But:
    https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/lilly-ceo-ricks-scores-big-pay-bump-to-21-3m-beating-out-other-big-pharma-ceos

    He got that big pay bump because the stock rose. Why?
    https://www.fiercepharma.com/special-report/eli-lilly-4
    Revenue in 2019: $16.21 billion
    Value of repurchased stock 2019: $4.1 billion
    Value of repurchased stock 2018: $3.05 billion
    Dividends paid 2019: $1.82 billion
    Dividends paid 2018: $1.42 billion

    • Replies: @anon
    @TomSchmidt

    Insulin is expensive for the same reason epi-pens are ridiculously overpriced.

    Greedy individuals in key corners of the market plus governmental collusion on the part of regulators.

    Greed + corruption. Neither branch of the Party cares, either. Not the D's and not the R's.

  169. @TomSchmidt
    @mousey

    https://www.vox.com/2019/4/3/18293950/why-is-insulin-so-expensive


    The cost of the four most popular types of insulin has tripled over the past decade, and the out-of-pocket prescription costs patients now face have doubled. By 2016, the average price per month rose to $450 — and costs continue to rise, so much so that as many as one in four people with diabetes are now skimping on or skipping lifesaving doses.
    ...

    The US is a global outlier on money spent on the drug, representing only 15 percent of the global insulin market and generating almost half of the pharmaceutical industry’s insulin revenue. According to a recent study in JAMA Internal Medicine, in the 1990s Medicaid paid between $2.36 and $4.43 per unit of insulin; by 2014, those prices more than tripled, depending on the formulation. ...

    “The list price of these products are already out of reach for most Americans living with diabetes — in some cases, over $300 a vial,” he said. “It is also strange to see Humulin still priced at over $150 a vial considering this product was first sold in the US in 1982.” ...

    Some are forced to head to Canada, where drug prices are more heavily regulated and, according to the new NEJM editorial, where a carton of insulin costs $20 instead of the $300 patients often pay in the US.
     
    That last point is interesting: 15x the price for the same thing.

    I'm no fan of BLM, but the protests seems to have ended forever the credibility of the elite on lockdowns. Also, I credit them with maybe lowering the police shooting rates, saving white lives along with maybe some black ones. If blacks, who are more likely to be diabetic than whites, can make the extractive prices for insulin a BLM matter, maybe they can do something good here too.

    Eli Lilly claims they need the money for innovation. But:
    https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/lilly-ceo-ricks-scores-big-pay-bump-to-21-3m-beating-out-other-big-pharma-ceos

    He got that big pay bump because the stock rose. Why?
    https://www.fiercepharma.com/special-report/eli-lilly-4
    Revenue in 2019: $16.21 billion
    Value of repurchased stock 2019: $4.1 billion
    Value of repurchased stock 2018: $3.05 billion
    Dividends paid 2019: $1.82 billion
    Dividends paid 2018: $1.42 billion

    Replies: @anon

    Insulin is expensive for the same reason epi-pens are ridiculously overpriced.

    Greedy individuals in key corners of the market plus governmental collusion on the part of regulators.

    Greed + corruption. Neither branch of the Party cares, either. Not the D’s and not the R’s.

  170. @Joe Stalin
    @Reg Cæsar

    The "guns" have orange colored muzzles... apparently toys.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @anon

    The “guns” have orange colored muzzles… apparently toys.

    Perhaps they expect you to buy them before you get the real muzzles? It would certainly frustrate looters.

    Not that there’s been any looting in San Marino, but the poor little serene republic recently topped the world rankings for Covid-19. Not a good year for them.

  171. What Kind of Society Values AA Mediocrities in Endowed University Chairs over Academic Scholarship?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jim Don Bob

    The society you're talking about is contemporary higher education, not normal people. And the society in question is chock-a-block with other-directed people with little integrity or honor playing status games all the time.

  172. @Jim Don Bob
    What Kind of Society Values AA Mediocrities in Endowed University Chairs over Academic Scholarship?

    Replies: @Art Deco

    The society you’re talking about is contemporary higher education, not normal people. And the society in question is chock-a-block with other-directed people with little integrity or honor playing status games all the time.

  173. @Joe Stalin
    @Reg Cæsar

    The "guns" have orange colored muzzles... apparently toys.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @anon

    Yeah, toys or maybe airsofts. San Marino gun laws are Italian gun laws. They are … complicated.

    No caliber currently in use by any military, for example.

  174. MattinLA says:
    June 22, 2020 at 5:22 am GMT • 100 Words   
    @Steve Sailer
    @MattinLA

    Sure looks to me at the moment like the mainstream in 2020 is pretty much the NYT oped page in 2014.

    Replies: @Rosie, @MattinLA

    We only change that by ignoring their shit. Just ignore it. It isn’t useful, factual, or edifying in the slightest. What do we care what these horrible people say? There is no convincing them. We need to focus on our arguments, our people, and our self defense. Debate is useless. The time for words is over.

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