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From the New York Times‘ opinion page:

The Way We Ration Ventilators Is Biased
Not every patient has a fair chance.

By Harald Schmidt
Dr. Schmidt is an assistant professor in the department of medical ethics at the University of Pennsylvania.

April 15, 2020

Rationing ventilators might be a necessary response in the new Covid-19 world. Many hospitals decide who gets them by selecting patients most likely to benefit. Experts agree that this is the best way of saving most lives. The approach may sound fair, but baked into it are biases that disadvantage groups who, even without a Covid-19 infection, experience worse health because of historical and structural reasons, especially black people.

Consider this case. Three patients are waiting to be admitted to an intensive care unit that has one remaining bed. All have equally severe Covid-19 symptoms. John is an otherwise healthy, white 40-year-old man. Rosa is a 45-year-old African-American woman with underlying health issues. Linda is a white 56-year-old woman with Down syndrome. Who should be admitted?

Linda has high blood pressure and complications from an earlier heart surgery. She would need care for longer than John. Clinicians might also consider her age; life expectancy for people with Down is around 60 years. Linda has fewer years left than John or Rosa. Implicitly or explicitly, clinicians might not admit her on this ground.

Rosa grew up in a “redlined” part of town. Accessing health care has been as challenging as accessing loans or healthy food. Her community has significant distrust toward the health care system. The Tuskegee Syphilis Study still casts a long shadow.

Sadly, this article misses the hat trick. While it cites redlining and the Tuskegee Syphilis Study, there is no mention whatsoever of Emmett Till.

Day-to-day racism experienced in the hospitals adds to this. Some years she had insurance, some years she did not, which did not help with managing her asthma and diabetes. Taken together, Rosa’s health is such that her statistical odds are similar to Linda’s.

The “saving most lives” model would admit John. He is likely to spend the least time in the intensive care unit, allowing more patients to be put on the ventilator. And since his life expectancy is the greatest, the time he spends on the ventilator enables him to live longer than Linda or Rosa.

But this “colorblind” approach ignores the structural reasons underlying Rosa’s health issues. And it has also come under legal scrutiny for unfairly disadvantaging disabled people. In response, guidance for ventilator rationing emphasizes that “race, ethnicity, gender, insurance status, perceptions of social worth, immigration status, among others” should be irrelevant — but even this approach can risk leaving several of the identified groups at a major disadvantage.

It would be one thing if only personal choice accounted for differences in health and life expectancy. Or, if across racial or ethnic lines, income or insurance statuses, each group had the same share of people with major health conditions like diabetes or asthma, which can affect baseline health.

But that is not the case. Baseline health is far worse among lower-income, uninsured, disabled and particular racial and ethnic groups. Life expectancy likewise differs across groups. The reasons are overwhelmingly structural and historical.

That’s why whites live so much longer than Mexican-Americans. Oh, wait …

Anyway, the good news is that ventilators aren’t in short supply most places. The bad news is that in part that is because they don’t work as well as expected at saving lives. But in turn, the good news is that doctors seems to have discovered some low cost work-arounds, like laying on your stomach, that seem to work at least as well.

 
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  1. And no mention of black womyn’s hair—wrong on so many levels.

    • LOL: kikz
  2. I guess he missed the subtle detail where it turns out ventilation isn’t the panacea it’s supposed to be. So fudge it, ventilate all the blegs in America, preemptively! We all get precisely what we ask for.

    Ventilation now, ventilation tomorrow, ventilation forever.

    • Thanks: Mr McKenna, Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Aardvark
    Hasn't the analysis in the past revealed that it is actually Democrat or Left policies that are keeping their favored groups down? And right on queue, we discover ventilators might not help and they complain the "favored" groups need more access to these ventilators. Absolutely brilliant...
    , @Anonymous
    You should be intubated for this racis comment.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    LOL!
  3. Steve, are comment stats way up with the start of the quarantine?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    No, about the same.

    If you are interested in coronavirus coverage, you can get it elsewhere, often from people who know more about these subjects than I do. If you are sick of the subject, I'm not providing much in the way of alternatives.

  4. I don’t know too many black women named Rosa. Did he really mean Rosa, an illegal immigrant from Guatemala? If John’s a white progressive, I might vote for Rosa. John would want that too.

    • LOL: AnotherDad
    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    I don’t know too many black women named Rosa.
     
    I expect at least some African-American baby girls in the last six decades were named Rosa, after Rosa Parks.
    , @Hypnotoad666
    We must end this scourge of discrimination against Hypothetical-Americans.
  5. I wonder if people with Down syndrome have ever experienced discrimination.

    • Replies: @Defective
    Only pre-birth.
  6. So “personal choices” that led to chronic prevailing health conditions for a patient would be justification for making the choice, in the especially set up Test Case. Disgraceful! If they were real cultural Marxist revolutionaries, they would realize that all so-called personal choices are heavily conditioned by the negative and hostile racial stereotypes and expectations that minorities live under.
    “Personal choice” is just another bourgeois mystification.

    No, no! Only race-based quotas are truly color-blind. Tell the writer to just Get Woke!

  7. Anonymous[152] • Disclaimer says:

    And Senilo G. Oliver is a 77 year old male who thinks he’s white, but since he has significant dementia consistent with Alzheimer’s, what he thinks may be irrelevant. But since he has the Bugatti Chiron health plan, he will get unlimited resources and no one at The Backward will say one word.

    Hypocritical cunts.

    • Replies: @miss marple
    If you're over 65, you get the socialized medicine along with everyone else.
  8. >The reasons are overwhelmingly structural and historical. <

    The Big Lie continuously repeated.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    Structural! You must include the word structural in every sentence talking about stuff.
  9. Even medics at triage now have to be race conscious in order not to commit any gaffes that give less benefits to Blacks.
    MLK was a Racist? Color Blindness, the new Racism.
    http://4racism.org/MLKjr-racist-colorblind-racism.html
    Anti-Racists judge people “not by the content of their character”, but rather “by the color of their skin”. Jobs, University admission and even school discipline [1, 2] depend on the color of the skin.

    One must not mention that Whites probably have better health insurance, care more about paying their insurance. Much less that tax payer support is mostly paid by whites.

  10. In a fit of white privilege reading up about the dangers of intubation, John foregoes the ICU and tells the hospital to give his place to Rosa. He then convinces Linda to lobby for a CPAP machine whilst he arranges for oxygen tanks and they both assume the prone position.

  11. This is poorly written even by NYT standards. This guy has a PhD? I feel dumber after reading even these few excerpted paragraphs. The scare quotes around “saving most lives” were really something.

    I’m not certain of Schmidt’s ethnic provenance (indeed, he shares his name with a popular German TV comedian of Catholic background) but I’m afraid I do have some suspicions in that regard.

    At least Rosa doesn’t face the type of horrendous medical discrimination faced by MS-13 members in their own El Salvador:

    “If there are no respirators left and one of us is gravely ill, all tattooed, and an old woman appears who is in serious condition, they are going to disconnect the gang member and they are going to let him die,” one member said.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/cartels-gangs-and-rebels-join-coronavirus-fight/ar-BB12Fh6Y

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Medical care for gang members should consist of a 9mm induced aneurysm.
  12. You were right. They really do hate us.

  13. Mr. Schmidt doesn’t say who got the ventilator, but I suspect this “case” is imaginary because there have been no reported cases of any U.S. hospital having to make these decisions. But just to take his argument to the logical conclusion: Linda, the Down Syndrome woman, is put on a ventilator and survives six days until succumbing to a massive heart attack; Rosa, with her under-lying conditions, is attached to the same ventilator (they units have been retro-fitted for use with two patients at a time) and lingers for eight days; John, the white guy, is left on a gurney in the hallway.

    • Replies: @res

    John, the white guy, is left on a gurney in the hallway.
     
    And lives. At which point they start screaming racism again because obviously putting the "good" people on ventilators was worse care.

    Or we can just skip all the details and observe that it is just all one continuous primal scream of "Racism!"
  14. @Anon87
    Steve, are comment stats way up with the start of the quarantine?

    No, about the same.

    If you are interested in coronavirus coverage, you can get it elsewhere, often from people who know more about these subjects than I do. If you are sick of the subject, I’m not providing much in the way of alternatives.

    • Disagree: Simon Tugmutton
    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    Yes you are. Many of your contributors are smart, and a number are funny.

    Some are even both! I won't mention any names.
    , @Simon Tugmutton

    I’m not providing much in the way of alternatives.
     
    Wrong: you are providing an oasis of sanity and good humour!
    , @JMcG
    Hey, I meant to ask earlier, but isn’t April one of your fundraising months?
    , @Anon87
    I'm surprised honestly. I usually only get to catch up on posts on the weekend so getting through so many at once I don't comment much (or get told to "cool off for a while"). I would have thought quarantine time would give everyone a little more time to comment in general, let alone on an all consuming topic that has no real answers or known outcomes so everyone can spout off fairly freely.
  15. Whenever i read something by a credentialed “ethicist”, they come off as someone you wouldn’t trust alone with a house plant, much less a human being. I wonder if their interest in ethics is ironic or something more sinister.

    • Replies: @Kim

    I wonder if their interest in ethics is ironic or something more sinister.
     
    I suspect they are mostly interested in scoping out loopholes.
    , @ben tillman

    Whenever i read something by a credentialed “ethicist”, they come off as someone you wouldn’t trust alone with a house plant, much less a human being. I wonder if their interest in ethics is ironic or something more sinister.
     
    I am a credentialed ethicist. What does that say?
    , @Hibernian

    ...something more sinister.
     
    Bingo. They belong to the pro-death lobby (think Ezekiel Emmanuel) but they're shamelessly masquerading as pro-lifers for now. (Do you want to die for the stock market? etc., etc., etc.)
    , @res

    Whenever i read something by a credentialed “ethicist”, they come off as someone you wouldn’t trust alone with a house plant, much less a human being.
     
    I think this comes down to two things.
    1. It is a route into healthcare which requires neither any science skills nor any need to get your hands dirty dealing with the physical needs of patients.
    2. The woke think it is a good way to influence policy. And sadly, I think they are right.
    , @kihowi
    The same reason that psychopaths want to study psychology.
  16. Sadly, this article misses the hat trick. While it cites redlining and the Tuskegee Syphilis Study, there is no mention whatsoever of Emmett Till.

    Does syphilis leave red lines?

    And does Emmett really fill the till?

  17. @Anonymous
    And Senilo G. Oliver is a 77 year old male who thinks he’s white, but since he has significant dementia consistent with Alzheimer’s, what he thinks may be irrelevant. But since he has the Bugatti Chiron health plan, he will get unlimited resources and no one at The Backward will say one word.

    Hypocritical cunts.

    If you’re over 65, you get the socialized medicine along with everyone else.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    One gets the feeling you don't hang around too many rich people.
  18. @Bragadocious
    I don't know too many black women named Rosa. Did he really mean Rosa, an illegal immigrant from Guatemala? If John's a white progressive, I might vote for Rosa. John would want that too.

    I don’t know too many black women named Rosa.

    I expect at least some African-American baby girls in the last six decades were named Rosa, after Rosa Parks.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious

    I expect at least some African-American baby girls in the last six decades were named Rosa, after Rosa Parks.

     

    You must not spend much time around actual African-Americans.

    I do think it would have been funny if instead of Rosa, he'd gone with "Ja'Lexis." But humor ain't in the Times bag of tricks.
    , @ben tillman
    Perhaps, but Rosa is still a Mexican maid's name. Of the six maids we've had, one was Brazilian, and the five Mexicans were named Gabi, Vilma, Rosie, Rosa, and Rosa.
    , @Paul Jolliffe
    Piltdown Man said:

    "I expect at least some African-American baby girls in the last six decades were named Rosa, after Rosa Parks."

    PM, in a quarter century of teaching in some of the most diverse districts in the United States (including a year in southwest Detroit, where my commute required passing both Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King Boulevards!), I can tell you one thing: there are no young black girls named "Rosa" anywhere in this country.

    Black mothers do not now, nor have they ever named their daughters "Rosa".

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/Rosa+Parks+Blvd+%26+Martin+Luther+King+Jr+Blvd,+Detroit,+MI+48208/@42.3403929,-83.0777324,18z/data=!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x883b2d5510684bb5:0x41d93e8ecc72aa85!2sRosa+Parks+Blvd+%26+Martin+Luther+King+Jr+Blvd,+Detroit,+MI+48208!3b1!8m2!3d42.3405144!4d-83.077171!3m4!1s0x883b2d5510684bb5:0x41d93e8ecc72aa85!8m2!3d42.3405144!4d-83.077171
  19. Affirmative action for plague victims, eh? (Like rich whites elites aren’t still gonna get a ventilator if they need one.) Damn. Whether it’s ventilators or The Ivy League, the white ethnic is always the dispensable one.

    https://www.unz.com/estriker/new-york-jews-at-brooklyn-hospital-will-enjoy-privileged-access-to-ventilators-over-gentiles/

    • Agree: Tusk
  20. … there is no mention whatsoever of Emmett Till.

    Emimett Till didn’t need to be on the waiting list for a ventilator. I heard he got ventilated, no problem.

  21. Too bad, wrong Harald Schmidt.

    The right one is more fun (if you know German):
    “Der hat Neger gesagt!” (“He said ‘Negro’!”)

    Sadly, auto-translate doesn’t really work well.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    With regard to demeanor, presentation deportment, and haberdashery; who came first: Harald Schmidt or Stephen Colbert?
  22. @Steve Sailer
    No, about the same.

    If you are interested in coronavirus coverage, you can get it elsewhere, often from people who know more about these subjects than I do. If you are sick of the subject, I'm not providing much in the way of alternatives.

    Yes you are. Many of your contributors are smart, and a number are funny.

    Some are even both! I won’t mention any names.

    • Thanks: Jenner Ickham Errican
  23. You want to avoid these kinds of questions? Maybe have the capacity to develop more ventilators easily in the first place.

    >Adding fairness weights can avoid exacerbating these divisions now and in the future.

    I hate these people. This isn’t about “fairness”, this is about choosing who might live and who might die. Someone is going to get the ventilator, and someone is not. You are advocating that Rosa get the ventilator and John doesn’t, by your weight system. That’s your right, but be honest about it.

  24. @miss marple
    If you're over 65, you get the socialized medicine along with everyone else.

    One gets the feeling you don’t hang around too many rich people.

    • Replies: @miss marple
    Being rich is a relative concept. Are you over 65?
  25. @newrouter
    >The reasons are overwhelmingly structural and historical. <

    The Big Lie continuously repeated.

    Structural! You must include the word structural in every sentence talking about stuff.

    • Replies: @Simon Tugmutton
    Damn, you're right. "Systemic" is so 1990s.
  26. @PiltdownMan

    I don’t know too many black women named Rosa.
     
    I expect at least some African-American baby girls in the last six decades were named Rosa, after Rosa Parks.

    I expect at least some African-American baby girls in the last six decades were named Rosa, after Rosa Parks.

    You must not spend much time around actual African-Americans.

    I do think it would have been funny if instead of Rosa, he’d gone with “Ja’Lexis.” But humor ain’t in the Times bag of tricks.

    • Replies: @kikz
    .....one of my favs.... "La - a". that's pronounced La-dash-a......

    but the all time great ones come from a h.s. bio teacher of mine; he and his wife taught school in rural MS in the 70's, they had students named (Female) Fe-ma-ley, and (Pajama) Paj-uh-muh. when questioned as to the uniqueness of their names, Female said that was what was on her 'birf surf tifikit', and Pajama, came from the Sears catalog.

    here's some fun.... compilation of 'blak gurlz' names by some boys of color, watch til the end ;D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUsNY3--npY
  27. @Pestartzt
    I wonder if people with Down syndrome have ever experienced discrimination.

    Only pre-birth.

    • LOL: Mr. XYZ
  28. 2045: Pillow Nacht

    This sounds like a future argument for taking old whites off of life support because the New Majority are brown and they deserve that money.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  29. @Mr McKenna
    One gets the feeling you don't hang around too many rich people.

    Being rich is a relative concept. Are you over 65?

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    Nowhere near 65, but for the rich people I know Medicare could hardly be more irrelevant.
  30. @Castlereagh
    Whenever i read something by a credentialed "ethicist", they come off as someone you wouldn't trust alone with a house plant, much less a human being. I wonder if their interest in ethics is ironic or something more sinister.

    I wonder if their interest in ethics is ironic or something more sinister.

    I suspect they are mostly interested in scoping out loopholes.

  31. But this “colorblind” approach ignores the structural reasons underlying Rosa’s health issues.

    It’s supposed to ignore them. Those alleged problems are for someone else to fix.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    The "colorblind" approach is actually generous.

    I'm a pretty fair-minded guy. I can set aside racial loyalty to my tribe and deal fairly with my fellow Americans. But even doing that, and dealing with two 40 year olds, both otherwise healthy but one black, one white, if you are deprived of any other knowledge about them, the white one is the better bet.

    The odds are simply much better that they are more productive, are living a better life, are a better citizen and are more likely to be raising children who will--properly raised--be productive, solid citizens. In short, the white is simply more likely--probably by about 4-1--to be having a more positive impact on the nation.

    (This is the sort of reality that gets AI programs in trouble. You have to hard code a refusal for them to either figure out anything about racial skews or ignore what they figure out.)


    Obviously what you want is data. Criminality, employment, marriage, children, smoking, drug use, health, weight, tattoos ... This is of course what medical ethicists seem to hate. Ordinary people actually have a pretty good understand that some people live more honorably, more productively and actually are, yes, more deserving.
  32. unfairly disadvantaging disabled people

    God unfairly disadvantaged disabled people. Don’t get mad at people for noticing.

    • Agree: MikeatMikedotMike
  33. It must be nice to wake up in the morning as a Korean.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    It must be nice to wake up in the morning as a Korean.
     
    It sure is, but only because I get to wake up next to a really sweet white lady. ;)

    But what’s that got to do with ventilators? Did you mix up threads?
  34. @bossel
    Too bad, wrong Harald Schmidt.

    The right one is more fun (if you know German):
    "Der hat Neger gesagt!" ("He said 'Negro'!")
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUbNg0ifKqA

    Sadly, auto-translate doesn't really work well.

    With regard to demeanor, presentation deportment, and haberdashery; who came first: Harald Schmidt or Stephen Colbert?

    • Replies: @Fluesterwitz
    Schmidt was earlier than Colbert (mid-90s), but modeled his late night stage persona on David Letterman, who had been around even longer.
  35. @Castlereagh
    Whenever i read something by a credentialed "ethicist", they come off as someone you wouldn't trust alone with a house plant, much less a human being. I wonder if their interest in ethics is ironic or something more sinister.

    Whenever i read something by a credentialed “ethicist”, they come off as someone you wouldn’t trust alone with a house plant, much less a human being. I wonder if their interest in ethics is ironic or something more sinister.

    I am a credentialed ethicist. What does that say?

  36. I’m so happy this guy’s name is Schmidt. That’s all I can say 🙂

    • LOL: AnotherDad
  37. @PiltdownMan

    I don’t know too many black women named Rosa.
     
    I expect at least some African-American baby girls in the last six decades were named Rosa, after Rosa Parks.

    Perhaps, but Rosa is still a Mexican maid’s name. Of the six maids we’ve had, one was Brazilian, and the five Mexicans were named Gabi, Vilma, Rosie, Rosa, and Rosa.

    • Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV
    I've always the dividing line between middle class and upper class is the ability to afford a maid. We might live in a large house in an excellent neighborhood with "very good schools," but nobody here can afford a maid. A lot of people have fancy cars, but nobody has a maid.

    I had a maid when I was a kid. Seems like a lot of more people could afford maids back in the 70s and 80s. They were pretty common on tv shows as well, like The Brady Bunch.
    , @Mr McKenna
    Dude! You go through Mexican housemaids faster than a Negro goes through a sudden windfall.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Of the six maids we’ve had, one was Brazilian, and the five Mexicans were named Gabi, Vilma, Rosie, Rosa, and Rosa.
     
    Too cheap to spring for a deserving Irish girl?
    , @hhsiii
    No Pilar?
    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    How many did you knock up?
    , @Thea
    Wow! Friends work as maids but no one I know well employs one.
  38. NYT article synopsis:

    Why don’t we just zip up still-living white 40-yo John in a body bag and throw him, screaming, into the crematorium? This way Rosa (Parks) can get her damn ventilator.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    Some may think your take is hyperbole, but the NYT and its ilk are laying the groundwork for something very much like it. 24/7/365.
    , @paranoid goy
    McKenna is right. Has anybody noticed, we are actually discussing the "economic impact" of killing off the elderly and 'undeserving'? This is friggin' scary, people, we are discussing the "putting down" of people, because of their 'economic impact' or lack thereof?
    Even taking part in that conversation proves YOUR worth to humanity.
    No judgement, just adding my penny.
    ...but we are discussing putting people down!
  39. John leaves Whiteville for Goodtown Hospital at 4 PM, driving his F-150 at 40 miles per hour. Rosa leaves for the hospital at 2 pm but must take the bus from her underserved community in Blackburg. If Linda is already volunteering in the hospital gift shop and her shift ends at 6 pm, who arrives at the ICU time to grab the only available ventilator?

    • Replies: @fish
    Hey.....nobody said there was going to be math!
    , @Twinkie

    John leaves Whiteville for Goodtown Hospital at 4 PM, driving his F-150 at 40 miles per hour.
     
    Is John Asian? Otherwise, why is he driving like an old lady?

    Rosa leaves for the hospital at 2 pm but must take the bus from her underserved community in Blackburg.
     
    Rosa ain’t leaving until she’s done cleaning my house and that’s not going to be 2 pm.

    If Linda is already volunteering in the hospital gift shop and her shift ends at 6 pm
     
    Question: Is Linda taking her opioid break in between or not, because that will make a huge difference in her arrival time.

    only available ventilator?
     
    Which is broken, because it was made in China and the Indian customer service agent on the phone, Jimmy, is just so, so sorry you are having this problem. Would a $5 credit toward the next ventilator purchase make things better for you?
  40. By Harald Schmidt
    Dr. Schmidt is an assistant professor in the department of medical ethics at the University of Pennsylvania.

    I’d guess i first read something by a “medical ethicist”–or read their pull quotes or arguments in a piece by a journalist–sometime in the 70s. And i’ve probably read their opinions or “reasoning” 50-100 times since then.

    They rarely fail to be wrong. And if that’s harsh, it’ would only be that i’m overlooking all the times they simply state the obvious. As far as i can tell, “medical ethicist” is a “profession” whose purpose is to oppose and corrupt the traditional–and common sense–ethical notions of normal healthy people.

    • Replies: @Pericles

    As far as i can tell, “medical ethicist” is a “profession” whose purpose is to oppose and corrupt the traditional–and common sense–ethical notions of normal healthy people.

     

    That about sums it up.
  41. @ben tillman
    Perhaps, but Rosa is still a Mexican maid's name. Of the six maids we've had, one was Brazilian, and the five Mexicans were named Gabi, Vilma, Rosie, Rosa, and Rosa.

    I’ve always the dividing line between middle class and upper class is the ability to afford a maid. We might live in a large house in an excellent neighborhood with “very good schools,” but nobody here can afford a maid. A lot of people have fancy cars, but nobody has a maid.

    I had a maid when I was a kid. Seems like a lot of more people could afford maids back in the 70s and 80s. They were pretty common on tv shows as well, like The Brady Bunch.

    • Replies: @AP
    You don't have anyone cut your grass, or come by the house once a week for a cleaning? There is no need I can think of for a full-time maid or gardener, but one doesn't need to be rich to afford such services.
    , @ben tillman
    Or, more to the point, The Jetsons, whose maid was named Rosey.
    , @nebulafox
    Maids are a lot more common in Singapore and Hong Kong: considered a normal bourgeois thing to do here. I think it is the British influence. Most Americans tend to be deeply uncomfortable with having domestic help, I've noticed. Maybe part of the reason gentry liberals really like mass immigration is because they are way more comfortable with imported Hispanic maids than white or black ones.

    Most of the maids here are Filipinas and Indonesians: they have the friendly personalities and language skills needed. Many, particularly the former, are surprisingly well educated, though it is the latter that tend to view domestic service as a temporary thing to bootstrap a business or degree back home (they've often got boyfriends doing construction abroad, too) rather than the lifestyle that a depressing amount of Filipinas are stuck with.

    As a side note, I've always wondered why they don't use Filipinos instead of Indians at call centers, way more customer friendly and more familiar, fluent English for an American.

    , @Neuday
    I think the idea was that with a maid/housekeeper/nanny, the middle-class wife would be volunteering at various social groups, improving the community while also giving her a chance to be with her friends, as long as they didn't start talking about temperance again. This arrangement led to better schools, hospitals, churches and charities. The "help" had a decent job that didn't require much education and was honest work, and frequently the hired help became quite beloved by the family.

    Now that this terrible way of life has been destroyed, since it was obviously demeaning to women and non-whites, girls are routed toward the career path, keeping the cost of labor low and taxes high to pay for the government that now has complete control over schools, hospitals, empty churches and charity replaced by the welfare state, which now takes care of those who are uneducated and shun honest work. As I'm sure you've noticed, women and non-whites are so very thankful for these social improvements.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    Morris, I've had two maids in my life. The first divorced me, oh, have to sign off now, the other maid sometimes reads over my shoulder.
    , @hhsiii
    We didn’t have a live in maid but a Peruvian woman who came twice a week. Once my sister at a friend’s house heard her say the maid will take care of that and she said we have a maid but we don’t call her the maid, we call her Teah, her first name.

    My mother grew up with black maids. One practically raised her, and looked after us when we were kids visiting our grandparents. Always a pantry full of coke, ginger ale and Wink. Her name was Mae Noble, and she came to our family reunion in North Carolina. About 100 of us plus Mae.

    Don’t worry, Reg. Our babysitter, Miss Kearney, was Irish.

    My friend’s baby sitter was Angela McCourt. Frank and Malachy’s famous mom.
  42. @Castlereagh
    Whenever i read something by a credentialed "ethicist", they come off as someone you wouldn't trust alone with a house plant, much less a human being. I wonder if their interest in ethics is ironic or something more sinister.

    …something more sinister.

    Bingo. They belong to the pro-death lobby (think Ezekiel Emmanuel) but they’re shamelessly masquerading as pro-lifers for now. (Do you want to die for the stock market? etc., etc., etc.)

  43. There’s a similar piece of bumph on CNN, written by some black politician.

  44. John should get priority because he’s likely the only one of those three who is a productive member of society

    • Thanks: Father O'Hara
  45. @ben tillman

    But this “colorblind” approach ignores the structural reasons underlying Rosa’s health issues.
     
    It's supposed to ignore them. Those alleged problems are for someone else to fix.

    The “colorblind” approach is actually generous.

    I’m a pretty fair-minded guy. I can set aside racial loyalty to my tribe and deal fairly with my fellow Americans. But even doing that, and dealing with two 40 year olds, both otherwise healthy but one black, one white, if you are deprived of any other knowledge about them, the white one is the better bet.

    The odds are simply much better that they are more productive, are living a better life, are a better citizen and are more likely to be raising children who will–properly raised–be productive, solid citizens. In short, the white is simply more likely–probably by about 4-1–to be having a more positive impact on the nation.

    (This is the sort of reality that gets AI programs in trouble. You have to hard code a refusal for them to either figure out anything about racial skews or ignore what they figure out.)

    Obviously what you want is data. Criminality, employment, marriage, children, smoking, drug use, health, weight, tattoos … This is of course what medical ethicists seem to hate. Ordinary people actually have a pretty good understand that some people live more honorably, more productively and actually are, yes, more deserving.

    • Agree: FLgeezer
  46. @miss marple
    Being rich is a relative concept. Are you over 65?

    Nowhere near 65, but for the rich people I know Medicare could hardly be more irrelevant.

  47. @ben tillman
    Perhaps, but Rosa is still a Mexican maid's name. Of the six maids we've had, one was Brazilian, and the five Mexicans were named Gabi, Vilma, Rosie, Rosa, and Rosa.

    Dude! You go through Mexican housemaids faster than a Negro goes through a sudden windfall.

    • LOL: hhsiii
    • Replies: @ben tillman
    First Rosa had a baby and quit. Wife couldn't find anyone who lived up to First Rosa's standard.
  48. You’re White, they want you gone. It’s not complicated.

    It’s just hard for most Whites to comprehend. Because some of this hatred comes from other bonafide Whites. And we have a larger pool of Whites who aren’t exactly haters of White people, but who put some other issue first (religion, ideology, “country”, Muh Ethnicity, etc).

    Until we address anti-Whitism, things will keep getting worse for our children.

  49. @Known Fact
    John leaves Whiteville for Goodtown Hospital at 4 PM, driving his F-150 at 40 miles per hour. Rosa leaves for the hospital at 2 pm but must take the bus from her underserved community in Blackburg. If Linda is already volunteering in the hospital gift shop and her shift ends at 6 pm, who arrives at the ICU time to grab the only available ventilator?

    Hey…..nobody said there was going to be math!

  50. @trelane
    NYT article synopsis:

    Why don't we just zip up still-living white 40-yo John in a body bag and throw him, screaming, into the crematorium? This way Rosa (Parks) can get her damn ventilator.

    Some may think your take is hyperbole, but the NYT and its ilk are laying the groundwork for something very much like it. 24/7/365.

    • Agree: Servant of Gla'aki
  51. Obviously, the white man should be kicked out and left to die in the gutter. Duh.

  52. @Morris Applebaum IV
    I've always the dividing line between middle class and upper class is the ability to afford a maid. We might live in a large house in an excellent neighborhood with "very good schools," but nobody here can afford a maid. A lot of people have fancy cars, but nobody has a maid.

    I had a maid when I was a kid. Seems like a lot of more people could afford maids back in the 70s and 80s. They were pretty common on tv shows as well, like The Brady Bunch.

    You don’t have anyone cut your grass, or come by the house once a week for a cleaning? There is no need I can think of for a full-time maid or gardener, but one doesn’t need to be rich to afford such services.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    We had a gardener to cut our grass but we subsequently fired him after he accidentally cut out cables in the backyard, I believe.
    , @Morris Applebaum IV
    We have someone mow the lawn, which is a big help. Once a week maid service would definitely be nice. I was just remembering having a full time maid as a kid and thinking about what a luxury that was and how it seemed fairly common at the time. I just never hear anyone with maids anymore.
    , @nebulafox
    >You don’t have anyone cut your grass, or come by the house once a week for a cleaning?

    I was always under the impression that... kids did this kind of stuff? I suppose if you don't have them or they are still babies, it's different, but even then, this strikes me as the kind of weekend crap that you can easily knock out...

  53. It gets even worse.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/opinion/coronavirus-ventilators-triage-disability.html
    “Even in a crisis, authorities should not abandon nondiscrimination. By permitting clinicians to discriminate against those who require more resources, perhaps more lives would be saved. But the ranks of the survivors would look very different, biased toward those who lacked disabilities before the pandemic.”
    On the contrary. If the “ranks of the survivors” were to be “biased toward those who lacked disabilities before the pandemic” it would be one of the few positives to emerge from this nightmare.

  54. Summary: “Not enough white men are dying. We must do better.”

  55. @Bragadocious
    I don't know too many black women named Rosa. Did he really mean Rosa, an illegal immigrant from Guatemala? If John's a white progressive, I might vote for Rosa. John would want that too.

    We must end this scourge of discrimination against Hypothetical-Americans.

    • LOL: Twinkie
  56. @Steve Sailer
    No, about the same.

    If you are interested in coronavirus coverage, you can get it elsewhere, often from people who know more about these subjects than I do. If you are sick of the subject, I'm not providing much in the way of alternatives.

    I’m not providing much in the way of alternatives.

    Wrong: you are providing an oasis of sanity and good humour!

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  57. @Mr McKenna
    Structural! You must include the word structural in every sentence talking about stuff.

    Damn, you’re right. “Systemic” is so 1990s.

  58. @Woodsie
    Mr. Schmidt doesn't say who got the ventilator, but I suspect this "case" is imaginary because there have been no reported cases of any U.S. hospital having to make these decisions. But just to take his argument to the logical conclusion: Linda, the Down Syndrome woman, is put on a ventilator and survives six days until succumbing to a massive heart attack; Rosa, with her under-lying conditions, is attached to the same ventilator (they units have been retro-fitted for use with two patients at a time) and lingers for eight days; John, the white guy, is left on a gurney in the hallway.

    John, the white guy, is left on a gurney in the hallway.

    And lives. At which point they start screaming racism again because obviously putting the “good” people on ventilators was worse care.

    Or we can just skip all the details and observe that it is just all one continuous primal scream of “Racism!”

    • Replies: @Thatgirl
    Liberals believe that health, like all other forms of wealth, is something that is given to people by the government (or stolen). Like wealth, good health cannot be the result of either behavior or luck. Thus, any differences in outcome between groups is the result of “health” being distributed unfairly.

    If John lives through his bout of WuFlu and Rosa dies there can only be one reason.
  59. @Castlereagh
    Whenever i read something by a credentialed "ethicist", they come off as someone you wouldn't trust alone with a house plant, much less a human being. I wonder if their interest in ethics is ironic or something more sinister.

    Whenever i read something by a credentialed “ethicist”, they come off as someone you wouldn’t trust alone with a house plant, much less a human being.

    I think this comes down to two things.
    1. It is a route into healthcare which requires neither any science skills nor any need to get your hands dirty dealing with the physical needs of patients.
    2. The woke think it is a good way to influence policy. And sadly, I think they are right.

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Replies: @a Newsreader
    I reckon a "medical ethicist" is just a particular type of zampolit.
  60. How is your civic nationalism looking now Steve?

    EVERYTHING those bad old racist White supremacists said would happen — has happened. Every bit of it. And it gets worse.

    While the trains are not yet moving to the camps envisioned by the Dead Kennedys, you can smell the California Uber Alles.

    And yes Whitey will die with organic poison gas. It won’t be President Brown, but the next President will be brown. The NYT is pushing for Stacey Abrams as Biden’s VP and successor. So yes, we can look forward to Abrams sending in the army and police to drag every White man off to the camps. I’m sure they will have a pretty flower for you after the shower.

    In a multi-racial, multi-ethnic society your team either fights and wins and rules over the others as slaves or your team IS the slaves. And eventually, exterminated. That was the fate of conquered peoples from the very first Empire by Sargon — invade other peoples, conquer and enslave them, deporting them back to your lands, where your people work them to death, conquer others.

    • Replies: @njguy73
    Someone should remake "California Uber Alles" as "California Sobre Todos."
  61. If you need a ventilator this late now, you already f’d up several ways:

    1. probably failed to recognize the need for a (salted) mask outside isolation (https://www.nature.com/articles/srep39956)
    2. didn’t figure out a prophylactic strategy to improve your chemistry, fatso
    3. didn’t insist on early treatment with “alternatives” e.g. HCQ+AZM+Zn+D3+IVC
    4. don’t have (hyperbaric) oxygen and blood thinners for SARS problems

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    Good points Mike.

    AnotherMom read about the salted mask solution several days ago, forwarded me that Nature article and has been talking that up.

    I strongly encourage the people here interested in protecting themselves to read that Nature article.
    https://www.nature.com/articles/srep39956

    It's pretty compelling.


    Most people don't have masks with removable filters and you do not want to just soak the mask because
    a) the surgical or N95 ones aren't supposed to get wet
    and
    b) all of them will then be putting salt residue on your face when you breathe out.

    So for simple civilian use, i think the protocol would be to get a misting squirt bottle, spray the outside of the mask and let it dry out.
  62. “underlying health issues”

    A quibble. I am reasonably sure that, here, “issues” means “conditions” or “problems” or, to be technical, “comorbidities.” This is the new parlance, the new jargon, wherein a known, definite, problem is stated to be an “issue.” The word “issue” previously denoted “there’s room for debate.” When I hear “issue” I sometimes cannot tell whether the referent is indisputable, or, a matter of debate. For example, “With regard to hydroxychloroquine, there are side-effects issues.” I think this was always a poor practice, but it is especially so during corona times, when we must be clear as to what is known problem versus what is debatable concern.

    • Agree: Dissident
  63. @ben tillman
    Perhaps, but Rosa is still a Mexican maid's name. Of the six maids we've had, one was Brazilian, and the five Mexicans were named Gabi, Vilma, Rosie, Rosa, and Rosa.

    Of the six maids we’ve had, one was Brazilian, and the five Mexicans were named Gabi, Vilma, Rosie, Rosa, and Rosa.

    Too cheap to spring for a deserving Irish girl?

    • Agree: SafeNow
    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Too cheap to spring for a deserving Irish girl?
     
    Have you looked at the GDP per capita of Ireland this century?
  64. @AnotherDad
    It must be nice to wake up in the morning as a Korean.

    It must be nice to wake up in the morning as a Korean.

    It sure is, but only because I get to wake up next to a really sweet white lady. 😉

    But what’s that got to do with ventilators? Did you mix up threads?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    But what’s that got to do with ventilators? Did you mix up threads?
     
    To not have to spend cycles listening to all this diversity b.s.

    I.e. you have to be a Korean, in Korea. Come here and enjoy your sweet white white ... you're stuck with this tedious crap like the rest of us.
    , @BenKenobi
    Now Twink, if everything I've seen you post about yourself over the years is true, you're some sort of cross between Chris Kyle, Bruce Lee (or perhaps Chong Li?), and Frederick Banting.

    But you just said that the only thing validating your existence as a Korean man is your White wife. Seems odd.
  65. @AP
    You don't have anyone cut your grass, or come by the house once a week for a cleaning? There is no need I can think of for a full-time maid or gardener, but one doesn't need to be rich to afford such services.

    We had a gardener to cut our grass but we subsequently fired him after he accidentally cut out cables in the backyard, I believe.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    *accidentally cut *our* cables ... (typo)
  66. @Reg Cæsar

    Of the six maids we’ve had, one was Brazilian, and the five Mexicans were named Gabi, Vilma, Rosie, Rosa, and Rosa.
     
    Too cheap to spring for a deserving Irish girl?

    Too cheap to spring for a deserving Irish girl?

    Have you looked at the GDP per capita of Ireland this century?

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Yeah, well remove the part of Irish GDP controlled by the damn Proddys and Christ killers, then see how much is left for the Real Irish, Mr. Smarty-Pants!
  67. @Known Fact
    John leaves Whiteville for Goodtown Hospital at 4 PM, driving his F-150 at 40 miles per hour. Rosa leaves for the hospital at 2 pm but must take the bus from her underserved community in Blackburg. If Linda is already volunteering in the hospital gift shop and her shift ends at 6 pm, who arrives at the ICU time to grab the only available ventilator?

    John leaves Whiteville for Goodtown Hospital at 4 PM, driving his F-150 at 40 miles per hour.

    Is John Asian? Otherwise, why is he driving like an old lady?

    Rosa leaves for the hospital at 2 pm but must take the bus from her underserved community in Blackburg.

    Rosa ain’t leaving until she’s done cleaning my house and that’s not going to be 2 pm.

    If Linda is already volunteering in the hospital gift shop and her shift ends at 6 pm

    Question: Is Linda taking her opioid break in between or not, because that will make a huge difference in her arrival time.

    only available ventilator?

    Which is broken, because it was made in China and the Indian customer service agent on the phone, Jimmy, is just so, so sorry you are having this problem. Would a $5 credit toward the next ventilator purchase make things better for you?

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    John is only driving 40 mph because the governor has ordered that mandatory face masks must now be worn over the eyes as well as nose
  68. Send him your treatise on ‘non-racist citizenism’, which should instantly change his views, perhaps those of the entire NYT editorial board as well, and help put an end to such divisive, shameless racially charged “what if” rhetoric.

    Probably a student of Dr Schmidt:

  69. @AP
    You don't have anyone cut your grass, or come by the house once a week for a cleaning? There is no need I can think of for a full-time maid or gardener, but one doesn't need to be rich to afford such services.

    We have someone mow the lawn, which is a big help. Once a week maid service would definitely be nice. I was just remembering having a full time maid as a kid and thinking about what a luxury that was and how it seemed fairly common at the time. I just never hear anyone with maids anymore.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    My parents had a black maid in the sixties as did the parents of several of my friends. I think because of affirmative action, the type of black women who did that are now working in jobs where they get paid more. If you repealed affirmative action, a lot of black people would go back to working menial types of jobs and a lot of the black middle class would disappear.
  70. Anonymous[640] • Disclaimer says:

    I dont anticipate needing a ventilator during this particular pandemic. I can, however, anticipate needing one in my lifetime. This outbreak has enlightened me of the false promise of ventilators. Apparently, iron lungs were far superior for the patient as they simulate natural negative pressure the body uses to breathe. So my new life goal is to build one for myself out of plywood as an Australian named Both did in the early/mid 20th century.

    Even if they only worked exactly as well as a ventilator (they don’t, they work better) I would choose the iron lung. Let’s say you are in your 60’s and get a bad case of pneumonia. Doctors say there is 95% chance of death without assisted respiration; but there is still 50% chance of death with assisted respiration. Do you want to give up the last 2 weeks of your life to a medically induced coma, or do you want to say your goodbyes from your iron lung? Easy choice for me.

    • Replies: @Thatgirl
    I would like to look into why the iron lung fell out of favor. It definitely looks far more peaceful and humane than a ventilator.

    Think of all those photos from the 1950s with smiling mothers standing next to their smiling children laying in iron lungs during the polio epidemic.

    My mother is elderly and has COPD. She has told me that she is not afraid of dying with this Coronavirus but is terrified of being put on a ventilator.

    There is something viscerally frightening about ventilators and a tube down one’s throat.
  71. Anonymous[419] • Disclaimer says:

    Now here’s an idea!:

    Let’s put the virus on trial! (By this I mean the ‘full process of US jurisprudence’ and not experiments by scientists).
    A random sample of crystalline proteins, in a vial, must be stood in the dock, harangued and ritually abused by loud mouthed attention seeking Atticus Brooks wannabes and accused of that most dastardly of crimes in the universe, of which its name cannot be uttered, that is ‘discrimination’, or more truthfully, ‘lack of discrimination’.

    After all, isn’t this great ritualistic auto da fe the way America always condemns and destroys its hardest enemies? Aren’t the righteous and divine always the loudest mouthed and lowest browed ‘Discrimination’ brayers?, Aren’t they the people who always win, being favored, apparently, by the great gods of the US Constitution?

  72. @ben tillman
    Perhaps, but Rosa is still a Mexican maid's name. Of the six maids we've had, one was Brazilian, and the five Mexicans were named Gabi, Vilma, Rosie, Rosa, and Rosa.

    No Pilar?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Looked everywhere ,- from pillar to post.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    No Pilar?
     
    Coming this fall to ABC:

    Pilar of the Establishment

    She started off as a hardworking undocumented housekeeper, now she’s the Mayor of Los Angeles!
     
  73. https://medicalethicshealthpolicy.med.upenn.edu/faculty-all/harald-schmidt
    Photo and CV for the author, Harald Schmidt, MA, PhD
    [email protected]

    Who looks like a rootless cosmopolitan German who now pontificates on racial matters here. Not born here! So kindly foad!

  74. The Left took over anything with ‘Ethics’ in the title a long time ago, and use the ignorance of the public to peddle their ideas ‘under the radar’. If you see anything describes as ‘ethics’ these days, especially in a ‘Progressive’ context, it will be Marxism.

  75. @Roderick Spode
    This is poorly written even by NYT standards. This guy has a PhD? I feel dumber after reading even these few excerpted paragraphs. The scare quotes around “saving most lives” were really something.

    I’m not certain of Schmidt’s ethnic provenance (indeed, he shares his name with a popular German TV comedian of Catholic background) but I’m afraid I do have some suspicions in that regard.

    At least Rosa doesn’t face the type of horrendous medical discrimination faced by MS-13 members in their own El Salvador:

    "If there are no respirators left and one of us is gravely ill, all tattooed, and an old woman appears who is in serious condition, they are going to disconnect the gang member and they are going to let him die," one member said.
     
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/cartels-gangs-and-rebels-join-coronavirus-fight/ar-BB12Fh6Y

    Medical care for gang members should consist of a 9mm induced aneurysm.

  76. @Twinkie

    Too cheap to spring for a deserving Irish girl?
     
    Have you looked at the GDP per capita of Ireland this century?

    Yeah, well remove the part of Irish GDP controlled by the damn Proddys and Christ killers, then see how much is left for the Real Irish, Mr. Smarty-Pants!

  77. there is no mention whatsoever of Emmett Till.

    Unfortunately Emmett Till did not keep his social distance. There is speculation that one of the reasons the black communities are being “harder hit” is because they are not practicing social distancing as well as other groups.

  78. Next time I’m out jogging, doing weight training, or eating LCHF, I’ll pause and reflect on my injustice to my fellow humans who have the misfortune to have been born PoCs.

  79. @hhsiii
    No Pilar?

    Looked everywhere ,- from pillar to post.

  80. @Dan Hayes
    With regard to demeanor, presentation deportment, and haberdashery; who came first: Harald Schmidt or Stephen Colbert?

    Schmidt was earlier than Colbert (mid-90s), but modeled his late night stage persona on David Letterman, who had been around even longer.

    • Thanks: Dan Hayes
  81. @Twinkie

    It must be nice to wake up in the morning as a Korean.
     
    It sure is, but only because I get to wake up next to a really sweet white lady. ;)

    But what’s that got to do with ventilators? Did you mix up threads?

    But what’s that got to do with ventilators? Did you mix up threads?

    To not have to spend cycles listening to all this diversity b.s.

    I.e. you have to be a Korean, in Korea. Come here and enjoy your sweet white white … you’re stuck with this tedious crap like the rest of us.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    you’re stuck with this tedious crap like the rest of us.
     
    Don’t I know it. Why do you think I am such a rightist?
  82. @PiltdownMan

    I don’t know too many black women named Rosa.
     
    I expect at least some African-American baby girls in the last six decades were named Rosa, after Rosa Parks.

    Piltdown Man said:

    “I expect at least some African-American baby girls in the last six decades were named Rosa, after Rosa Parks.”

    PM, in a quarter century of teaching in some of the most diverse districts in the United States (including a year in southwest Detroit, where my commute required passing both Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King Boulevards!), I can tell you one thing: there are no young black girls named “Rosa” anywhere in this country.

    Black mothers do not now, nor have they ever named their daughters “Rosa”.

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/Rosa+Parks+Blvd+%26+Martin+Luther+King+Jr+Blvd,+Detroit,+MI+48208/@42.3403929,-83.0777324,18z/data=!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x883b2d5510684bb5:0x41d93e8ecc72aa85!2sRosa+Parks+Blvd+%26+Martin+Luther+King+Jr+Blvd,+Detroit,+MI+48208!3b1!8m2!3d42.3405144!4d-83.077171!3m4!1s0x883b2d5510684bb5:0x41d93e8ecc72aa85!8m2!3d42.3405144!4d-83.077171

  83. @AnotherDad

    By Harald Schmidt
    Dr. Schmidt is an assistant professor in the department of medical ethics at the University of Pennsylvania.
     
    I'd guess i first read something by a "medical ethicist"--or read their pull quotes or arguments in a piece by a journalist--sometime in the 70s. And i've probably read their opinions or "reasoning" 50-100 times since then.

    They rarely fail to be wrong. And if that's harsh, it' would only be that i'm overlooking all the times they simply state the obvious. As far as i can tell, "medical ethicist" is a "profession" whose purpose is to oppose and corrupt the traditional--and common sense--ethical notions of normal healthy people.

    As far as i can tell, “medical ethicist” is a “profession” whose purpose is to oppose and corrupt the traditional–and common sense–ethical notions of normal healthy people.

    That about sums it up.

  84. @Mr McKenna
    Dude! You go through Mexican housemaids faster than a Negro goes through a sudden windfall.

    First Rosa had a baby and quit. Wife couldn’t find anyone who lived up to First Rosa’s standard.

    • Replies: @bruce county
    Hmmm... she had a baby...Where have I heard that before..LOL

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1388875/Arnold-Schwarzenegger-love-child-maid-Mildred-Baena-boogie-down.html
  85. @Morris Applebaum IV
    I've always the dividing line between middle class and upper class is the ability to afford a maid. We might live in a large house in an excellent neighborhood with "very good schools," but nobody here can afford a maid. A lot of people have fancy cars, but nobody has a maid.

    I had a maid when I was a kid. Seems like a lot of more people could afford maids back in the 70s and 80s. They were pretty common on tv shows as well, like The Brady Bunch.

    Or, more to the point, The Jetsons, whose maid was named Rosey.

  86. @BenKenobi
    I guess he missed the subtle detail where it turns out ventilation isn't the panacea it's supposed to be. So fudge it, ventilate all the blegs in America, preemptively! We all get precisely what we ask for.

    Ventilation now, ventilation tomorrow, ventilation forever.

    Hasn’t the analysis in the past revealed that it is actually Democrat or Left policies that are keeping their favored groups down? And right on queue, we discover ventilators might not help and they complain the “favored” groups need more access to these ventilators. Absolutely brilliant…

  87. @Morris Applebaum IV
    I've always the dividing line between middle class and upper class is the ability to afford a maid. We might live in a large house in an excellent neighborhood with "very good schools," but nobody here can afford a maid. A lot of people have fancy cars, but nobody has a maid.

    I had a maid when I was a kid. Seems like a lot of more people could afford maids back in the 70s and 80s. They were pretty common on tv shows as well, like The Brady Bunch.

    Maids are a lot more common in Singapore and Hong Kong: considered a normal bourgeois thing to do here. I think it is the British influence. Most Americans tend to be deeply uncomfortable with having domestic help, I’ve noticed. Maybe part of the reason gentry liberals really like mass immigration is because they are way more comfortable with imported Hispanic maids than white or black ones.

    Most of the maids here are Filipinas and Indonesians: they have the friendly personalities and language skills needed. Many, particularly the former, are surprisingly well educated, though it is the latter that tend to view domestic service as a temporary thing to bootstrap a business or degree back home (they’ve often got boyfriends doing construction abroad, too) rather than the lifestyle that a depressing amount of Filipinas are stuck with.

    As a side note, I’ve always wondered why they don’t use Filipinos instead of Indians at call centers, way more customer friendly and more familiar, fluent English for an American.

    • Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV

    Many, particularly the former, are surprisingly well educated, though it is the latter that tend to view domestic service as a temporary thing to bootstrap a business or degree back home (they’ve often got boyfriends doing construction abroad, too) rather than the lifestyle that a depressing amount of Filipinas are stuck with.
     
    That reminds me of an episode of Taxi. Tony Danza talks about his boxing career, Jeff Conaway about being an actor, Elaine is working on her art business and Judd Hirsch says something like "I guess I'm the only one who is a cab driver."
    , @res

    As a side note, I’ve always wondered why they don’t use Filipinos instead of Indians at call centers, way more customer friendly and more familiar, fluent English for an American.
     
    They do, but there are 1.35 billion Indians and 106 million Filipinos.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    NF, Res already replied, but my experience is with more Filipio's and -a's than .Indian, but that's for customer service for billing and things like that. For tech support, I guess that's why they are called "tech-support Indians" instead of the demeaning ".Indians", and then we can distinguish them from the "feather", dang, "Casino Indians.

    I have enjoyed talking to the Filipino/a ones. They just have great personalities. As good as their English is, you can tell that they don't catch a lot of what you say, if you don't speak pretty slowly or if you use any idioms or what-have-you.

  88. @Twinkie

    John leaves Whiteville for Goodtown Hospital at 4 PM, driving his F-150 at 40 miles per hour.
     
    Is John Asian? Otherwise, why is he driving like an old lady?

    Rosa leaves for the hospital at 2 pm but must take the bus from her underserved community in Blackburg.
     
    Rosa ain’t leaving until she’s done cleaning my house and that’s not going to be 2 pm.

    If Linda is already volunteering in the hospital gift shop and her shift ends at 6 pm
     
    Question: Is Linda taking her opioid break in between or not, because that will make a huge difference in her arrival time.

    only available ventilator?
     
    Which is broken, because it was made in China and the Indian customer service agent on the phone, Jimmy, is just so, so sorry you are having this problem. Would a $5 credit toward the next ventilator purchase make things better for you?

    John is only driving 40 mph because the governor has ordered that mandatory face masks must now be worn over the eyes as well as nose

  89. He’s got that super-cucked German look. Right up to the faggy neckerchief. Here he is talking to Rahm Emmanuel’s brother. I kid you not.

  90. @Steve Sailer
    No, about the same.

    If you are interested in coronavirus coverage, you can get it elsewhere, often from people who know more about these subjects than I do. If you are sick of the subject, I'm not providing much in the way of alternatives.

    Hey, I meant to ask earlier, but isn’t April one of your fundraising months?

  91. Doesn’t it seem medically unethical to advocate rationing the availability of medical technology on racial lines even if it would likely lead to more overall deaths? Perhaps this guy ought to re-read the Hypocratic Oath.

    This is a feature of a lot of the DIE crowd – they aren’t really concerned about the potential harm so long as the right people are taken care of. I don’t think a lot of these people have really considered what a society would look like where stuff like this is explicit policy. When a large and easily organized group feels like its getting screwed and has no political recourse, bad things happen.

  92. @AnotherDad

    But what’s that got to do with ventilators? Did you mix up threads?
     
    To not have to spend cycles listening to all this diversity b.s.

    I.e. you have to be a Korean, in Korea. Come here and enjoy your sweet white white ... you're stuck with this tedious crap like the rest of us.

    you’re stuck with this tedious crap like the rest of us.

    Don’t I know it. Why do you think I am such a rightist?

  93. @mike99588
    If you need a ventilator this late now, you already f'd up several ways:

    1. probably failed to recognize the need for a (salted) mask outside isolation (https://www.nature.com/articles/srep39956)
    2. didn't figure out a prophylactic strategy to improve your chemistry, fatso
    3. didn't insist on early treatment with "alternatives" e.g. HCQ+AZM+Zn+D3+IVC
    4. don't have (hyperbaric) oxygen and blood thinners for SARS problems

    Good points Mike.

    AnotherMom read about the salted mask solution several days ago, forwarded me that Nature article and has been talking that up.

    I strongly encourage the people here interested in protecting themselves to read that Nature article.
    https://www.nature.com/articles/srep39956

    It’s pretty compelling.

    Most people don’t have masks with removable filters and you do not want to just soak the mask because
    a) the surgical or N95 ones aren’t supposed to get wet
    and
    b) all of them will then be putting salt residue on your face when you breathe out.

    So for simple civilian use, i think the protocol would be to get a misting squirt bottle, spray the outside of the mask and let it dry out.

    • Thanks: ic1000
  94. @nebulafox
    Maids are a lot more common in Singapore and Hong Kong: considered a normal bourgeois thing to do here. I think it is the British influence. Most Americans tend to be deeply uncomfortable with having domestic help, I've noticed. Maybe part of the reason gentry liberals really like mass immigration is because they are way more comfortable with imported Hispanic maids than white or black ones.

    Most of the maids here are Filipinas and Indonesians: they have the friendly personalities and language skills needed. Many, particularly the former, are surprisingly well educated, though it is the latter that tend to view domestic service as a temporary thing to bootstrap a business or degree back home (they've often got boyfriends doing construction abroad, too) rather than the lifestyle that a depressing amount of Filipinas are stuck with.

    As a side note, I've always wondered why they don't use Filipinos instead of Indians at call centers, way more customer friendly and more familiar, fluent English for an American.

    Many, particularly the former, are surprisingly well educated, though it is the latter that tend to view domestic service as a temporary thing to bootstrap a business or degree back home (they’ve often got boyfriends doing construction abroad, too) rather than the lifestyle that a depressing amount of Filipinas are stuck with.

    That reminds me of an episode of Taxi. Tony Danza talks about his boxing career, Jeff Conaway about being an actor, Elaine is working on her art business and Judd Hirsch says something like “I guess I’m the only one who is a cab driver.”

  95. @Bragadocious

    I expect at least some African-American baby girls in the last six decades were named Rosa, after Rosa Parks.

     

    You must not spend much time around actual African-Americans.

    I do think it would have been funny if instead of Rosa, he'd gone with "Ja'Lexis." But humor ain't in the Times bag of tricks.

    …..one of my favs…. “La – a”. that’s pronounced La-dash-a……

    but the all time great ones come from a h.s. bio teacher of mine; he and his wife taught school in rural MS in the 70’s, they had students named (Female) Fe-ma-ley, and (Pajama) Paj-uh-muh. when questioned as to the uniqueness of their names, Female said that was what was on her ‘birf surf tifikit’, and Pajama, came from the Sears catalog.

    here’s some fun…. compilation of ‘blak gurlz’ names by some boys of color, watch til the end ;D

    • Replies: @JMcG
    The dash not be silent!
    , @anonymous
    For a repeat performance, I will cite my two favorite female black names, ripped from the headlines (well, no, these were women who filed claims with my office):

    -Lexis

    -Twatia (pronounced T'washa)
  96. Here in Baltimore they usually ventilate each other.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    'Perforate' more like.
  97. @ben tillman
    First Rosa had a baby and quit. Wife couldn't find anyone who lived up to First Rosa's standard.
  98. In a comment two weeks back, I cited ELD Biddison et al., “Too Many Patients… A Framework to Guide Statewide Allocation of Scarce Mechanical Ventilation During Disasters.” Chest vol. 155, pages 848-854, April 2019. They wrote,

    Here we describe a critical care disaster resource allocation framework [for ventilator allocation under pandemic conditions]… It is intended to assist hospitals and public health agencies in [a] catastrophic health emergency…

    In other words, the strategy that Biddison presents as Table 1 is exactly what Medical Ethics Asst. Professor Harald Schmidt, PhD thinks he is arguing against.

    [MORE]

    Schmidt’s three hypothetical cases, with equally severe Covid-19 symptoms:

    * John is an otherwise healthy, white 40-year-old man.
    * Linda is a white 56-year-old woman with Down syndrome, who has high blood pressure and complications from an earlier heart surgery.
    * Rosa is a 45-year-old African-American woman who has difficulty managing her asthma and diabetes. Her health is so poor that the odds are that she has as many years left as Linda (however many that may be).

    By Biddison’s triage scoring system (best 1 point, worst 7 points):

    * Prognosis for short-term survival (1 to 4 points): All three patients are sick enough to need ICU support, so I give them each a SOFA score of 13 (3 points)

    * Prognosis for long-term survival: All three patients are unlikely to die within 1 year, so none receive 3 points.

    Pregnancy would earn a 1-point credit, but none receive it. So John, Linda, and Rosa each get a score of 3.

    Age is used as the tie-breaker. John (40) gets 1 point, Linda (56) gets 2 points, Rosa (45) gets 1 point.

    Final tally: John’s score is 4. Linda’s score is 5. Rosa’s score is 4.

    Biddison flips a coin to decide whether John or Rosa gets the ventilator.

    Anticipating Medical Ethics Asst. Professor Harald Schmidt, Biddison et al explain why they don’t consider long-term survival:

    Although important, placing too great a priority on the criterion of long-term survival may, in certain circumstances, further disadvantage people who already face systematic disadvantages; poor people and people of color are more likely than other groups to have multiple and serious comorbidities because of factors including poorer access to medical care and the direct debilitating effects of poverty on health.

    In other words, Schmidt’s complaint is that (at least one published account of) The System incorporated his criticisms, before he got around to making them. Maybe Schmidt should read the literature in his field of expertise.

    How many oppression credits will Schmidt deduct from Rosa’s score? From Rachael Dolzeal’s? From Elizabeth Warren’s? And how many whiteness penalty points will Schmidt add to the scores of his parents, siblings, spouse, and kids?

    In comment #10, ‘James Speaks’ noted the move away from ventilators. Scarcity isn’t required to enact Schmidt’s restorative justice program. Give high-flow oxygen to Rosa and Linda, and prevent John from being placed in a prone position.

  99. @Morris Applebaum IV
    We have someone mow the lawn, which is a big help. Once a week maid service would definitely be nice. I was just remembering having a full time maid as a kid and thinking about what a luxury that was and how it seemed fairly common at the time. I just never hear anyone with maids anymore.

    My parents had a black maid in the sixties as did the parents of several of my friends. I think because of affirmative action, the type of black women who did that are now working in jobs where they get paid more. If you repealed affirmative action, a lot of black people would go back to working menial types of jobs and a lot of the black middle class would disappear.

  100. “Laying on your stomach” should be lying on your stomach. On the other hand, you could say doctors have found laying patients on their stomachs is beneficial.

    • Replies: @paranoid goy
    Patients, once positioned anyhow, immediately start laying. Just to see the bastard, I must lay down 600 oinkosteros. Then they habitually try kill me slowly. I am just one big money-laying health-care asset to them...
    , @Percy Gryce
    Beat me to this pet peeve of mine.
  101. @Twinkie

    It must be nice to wake up in the morning as a Korean.
     
    It sure is, but only because I get to wake up next to a really sweet white lady. ;)

    But what’s that got to do with ventilators? Did you mix up threads?

    Now Twink, if everything I’ve seen you post about yourself over the years is true, you’re some sort of cross between Chris Kyle, Bruce Lee (or perhaps Chong Li?), and Frederick Banting.

    But you just said that the only thing validating your existence as a Korean man is your White wife. Seems odd.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Chris Kyle, Bruce Lee (or perhaps Chong Li?), and Frederick Banting.
     
    Ugh, no. Not even close.

    But you just said that the only thing validating your existence as a Korean man is your White wife. Seems odd.
     
    You haven’t met my wife. ;)
    , @anon
    I think you meant Lee Won-hee, not Bruce Lee.
  102. @Castlereagh
    Whenever i read something by a credentialed "ethicist", they come off as someone you wouldn't trust alone with a house plant, much less a human being. I wonder if their interest in ethics is ironic or something more sinister.

    The same reason that psychopaths want to study psychology.

  103. @ben tillman
    Perhaps, but Rosa is still a Mexican maid's name. Of the six maids we've had, one was Brazilian, and the five Mexicans were named Gabi, Vilma, Rosie, Rosa, and Rosa.

    How many did you knock up?

  104. These are the type of articles that helped elect Trump.

    Back in 2016, it was more like “Yay! white men keep killing themselves.” But same difference

  105. @ben tillman
    Perhaps, but Rosa is still a Mexican maid's name. Of the six maids we've had, one was Brazilian, and the five Mexicans were named Gabi, Vilma, Rosie, Rosa, and Rosa.

    Wow! Friends work as maids but no one I know well employs one.

  106. @Morris Applebaum IV
    I've always the dividing line between middle class and upper class is the ability to afford a maid. We might live in a large house in an excellent neighborhood with "very good schools," but nobody here can afford a maid. A lot of people have fancy cars, but nobody has a maid.

    I had a maid when I was a kid. Seems like a lot of more people could afford maids back in the 70s and 80s. They were pretty common on tv shows as well, like The Brady Bunch.

    I think the idea was that with a maid/housekeeper/nanny, the middle-class wife would be volunteering at various social groups, improving the community while also giving her a chance to be with her friends, as long as they didn’t start talking about temperance again. This arrangement led to better schools, hospitals, churches and charities. The “help” had a decent job that didn’t require much education and was honest work, and frequently the hired help became quite beloved by the family.

    Now that this terrible way of life has been destroyed, since it was obviously demeaning to women and non-whites, girls are routed toward the career path, keeping the cost of labor low and taxes high to pay for the government that now has complete control over schools, hospitals, empty churches and charity replaced by the welfare state, which now takes care of those who are uneducated and shun honest work. As I’m sure you’ve noticed, women and non-whites are so very thankful for these social improvements.

    • Thanks: Gabe Ruth
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Helluva comment, Neuday! That sums up a lot of societal destruction in two concise paragraphs.

    I say that as someone whose family has never had a maid, never had a cleaning woman (could really use one sometimes!), and I've never had anyone work on my anything on my house, except for a roofing crew once. (Oh, there was the time I had to call the gas company, cause I hacksawed through the gas line 3 ft. down in the clay, very sure it was the water line. It was that "hsssss" that got me thinking, "hey, this not my beautiful leaking water main!")
    , @Reg Cæsar

    the government that now has complete control over schools, hospitals, empty churches and charity replaced by the welfare state
     
    The welfare state is an artificial heart.


    https://images.ctfassets.net/cnu0m8re1exe/3r13Gs8VMhTD1qsLiPXif4/80a2a4413373644da29f20daf59d4020/shutterstock_198620987.jpg?w=650
  107. The NYT is pushing for Stacey Abrams as Biden’s VP and successor.

    This seems like a watershed moment to me. Ms. Abrams strikes me as equivalent to Robert Mugabe, and in the not-at-all-distant past, the legacy media would’ve been horrified at someone like that being seriously considered for national office. Now they are pushing for it. The New York Times is advocating for an outcome that would very likely lead to mass civil strife, and the deaths of millions of Americans.

  108. Why all this fuss over mere race?

    We know that the death rates are directly related to underlying medical conditions. Many of which are usually self inflicted. I.e. type II Diabetes, long time smoking, obesity, alcoholism, drug addiction, etc.

    So if we are going to triage ventilator patients, why not use rational criteria? If someone manifests a poor likely outcome as a result of their personal inability to maintain a healthy lifestyle over a long time period, put them lower on the list. Now some underlying conditions, many, aren’t the result of bad lifestyle choices. But for those which are, why not use those?

    Patients with better choices and resulting health are likely to survive longer and better with ventilator use anyway. The objective “health responsibility” factors are easily enough to discern. Medical practitioners already know this, and usually can tell from a brief history, exam and glance who is hopelessly sick and who isn’t. Stuffing your gullet for decades, smoking, boozing, etc. has a price. Time to pay up!

    Of course I doubt Medical Ethicists would agree, since this would deprive them of the chance to punish the responsible healthy population. If “obesity” were deemed a disease, we’d already have been in that “pandemic” for decades now. “No fast food for you, fatty! Government decree!”

  109. Gosh it’s almost like there is no good way to determine who “deserves” care more than another and instead of figuring out how to ration scarce resources we should instead look at removing regulatory barriers to increasing supply of hospital space and equipment.

  110. I was doing the usual check to see if Dr Schmidt is a Jew arguing for killing white people while pretending to be white. Turns out he’s likely not, but a German being suicidal in the normal Northern Euro mold. Here’s his CV: https://medicalethicshealthpolicy.med.upenn.edu/uploads/attachments/cj835lmiv0nsc48leoiuv0voj-2017-oct-hs-cv.pdf

    The guy has even had a real job as a cabinet maker for six years! This is almost as depressing as when I found out that one of the top guys pushing for women in the military in Sweden came up through the ranks as an attack/demolition diver.

    It’s just so much worse when the people spewing anti-white hatred don’t have an ethnic interest in seeing us destroyed or are crazy people who never have experienced normal life.

  111. NY staying closed until at least May 15. Idiocy.

  112. Anonymous[104] • Disclaimer says:
    @Possumman
    Here in Baltimore they usually ventilate each other.

    ‘Perforate’ more like.

  113. @Whiskey
    How is your civic nationalism looking now Steve?

    EVERYTHING those bad old racist White supremacists said would happen -- has happened. Every bit of it. And it gets worse.

    While the trains are not yet moving to the camps envisioned by the Dead Kennedys, you can smell the California Uber Alles.

    And yes Whitey will die with organic poison gas. It won't be President Brown, but the next President will be brown. The NYT is pushing for Stacey Abrams as Biden's VP and successor. So yes, we can look forward to Abrams sending in the army and police to drag every White man off to the camps. I'm sure they will have a pretty flower for you after the shower.

    In a multi-racial, multi-ethnic society your team either fights and wins and rules over the others as slaves or your team IS the slaves. And eventually, exterminated. That was the fate of conquered peoples from the very first Empire by Sargon -- invade other peoples, conquer and enslave them, deporting them back to your lands, where your people work them to death, conquer others.

    Someone should remake “California Uber Alles” as “California Sobre Todos.”

  114. @kikz
    .....one of my favs.... "La - a". that's pronounced La-dash-a......

    but the all time great ones come from a h.s. bio teacher of mine; he and his wife taught school in rural MS in the 70's, they had students named (Female) Fe-ma-ley, and (Pajama) Paj-uh-muh. when questioned as to the uniqueness of their names, Female said that was what was on her 'birf surf tifikit', and Pajama, came from the Sears catalog.

    here's some fun.... compilation of 'blak gurlz' names by some boys of color, watch til the end ;D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUsNY3--npY

    The dash not be silent!

  115. OT – A few years ago, in the US, donated blood was screened for Hepatitis B, Hep C, and HIV in batches. (This may still be the procedure.) The nucleic acid tests are so sensitive that it was acceptable to pool samples of blood from a few donors (4 or 8, IIRC) and run a single test on them. If a batch showed up as positive, all of the constituent donations would be flagged for investigation.

    It seems that much of the spread of Covid-19 is due to “super spreading events,” like the funeral in Albany GA and the Carnival in Heinsberg, Germany. These events seem to be due to transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from super spreading individuals. These people would have unusually high viral loads in their upper respiratory tract, and thus have coughs, sneezes, touches, and even exhalations that are laden with virus. (At least, that notion makes sense — I haven’t found any publications that actually measure and report viral loads, as “viruses per microliter of fluid” or in terms of Ct, the PCR cycle number. Pointers to articles appreciated.)

    It would follow that identifying super spreading individuals — especially asymptomatic ones — could do a lot to lower R, once re-opening gets under way. They could self-quarantine or volunteer for experimental treatments.

    The current PCR tests are extremely sensitive, with a lower limit of 6 to 10 virus particles in a test tube. The Abbott Point of Care ID Now 15-minute test does about tenfold worse, which is still darn good.

    While it’s hard to detect a few virus, it’s easy to detect millions or billions of them. And, it was reported this week, saliva is as good a testing material as are nasopharyngeal swabs.

    So it would be possible to have a PoC PCR machine stationed at the entrance to a higher-risk event. Before entering, you have to spit into a tube. The event organizer batches 10 or 20 samples, and runs the test. If it comes up positive, one of those people is a super-spreader. A followup of 10 or 20 individual tests can identify who it is, in another 15 minutes.

    It’s cumbersome, but it might be a way to make events safer.

  116. @nebulafox
    Maids are a lot more common in Singapore and Hong Kong: considered a normal bourgeois thing to do here. I think it is the British influence. Most Americans tend to be deeply uncomfortable with having domestic help, I've noticed. Maybe part of the reason gentry liberals really like mass immigration is because they are way more comfortable with imported Hispanic maids than white or black ones.

    Most of the maids here are Filipinas and Indonesians: they have the friendly personalities and language skills needed. Many, particularly the former, are surprisingly well educated, though it is the latter that tend to view domestic service as a temporary thing to bootstrap a business or degree back home (they've often got boyfriends doing construction abroad, too) rather than the lifestyle that a depressing amount of Filipinas are stuck with.

    As a side note, I've always wondered why they don't use Filipinos instead of Indians at call centers, way more customer friendly and more familiar, fluent English for an American.

    As a side note, I’ve always wondered why they don’t use Filipinos instead of Indians at call centers, way more customer friendly and more familiar, fluent English for an American.

    They do, but there are 1.35 billion Indians and 106 million Filipinos.

  117. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @BenKenobi
    I guess he missed the subtle detail where it turns out ventilation isn't the panacea it's supposed to be. So fudge it, ventilate all the blegs in America, preemptively! We all get precisely what we ask for.

    Ventilation now, ventilation tomorrow, ventilation forever.

    You should be intubated for this racis comment.

  118. anonymous[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @kikz
    .....one of my favs.... "La - a". that's pronounced La-dash-a......

    but the all time great ones come from a h.s. bio teacher of mine; he and his wife taught school in rural MS in the 70's, they had students named (Female) Fe-ma-ley, and (Pajama) Paj-uh-muh. when questioned as to the uniqueness of their names, Female said that was what was on her 'birf surf tifikit', and Pajama, came from the Sears catalog.

    here's some fun.... compilation of 'blak gurlz' names by some boys of color, watch til the end ;D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUsNY3--npY

    For a repeat performance, I will cite my two favorite female black names, ripped from the headlines (well, no, these were women who filed claims with my office):

    -Lexis

    -Twatia (pronounced T’washa)

  119. @hhsiii
    No Pilar?

    No Pilar?

    Coming this fall to ABC:

    Pilar of the Establishment

    She started off as a hardworking undocumented housekeeper, now she’s the Mayor of Los Angeles!

    • LOL: hhsiii
  120. @Neuday
    I think the idea was that with a maid/housekeeper/nanny, the middle-class wife would be volunteering at various social groups, improving the community while also giving her a chance to be with her friends, as long as they didn't start talking about temperance again. This arrangement led to better schools, hospitals, churches and charities. The "help" had a decent job that didn't require much education and was honest work, and frequently the hired help became quite beloved by the family.

    Now that this terrible way of life has been destroyed, since it was obviously demeaning to women and non-whites, girls are routed toward the career path, keeping the cost of labor low and taxes high to pay for the government that now has complete control over schools, hospitals, empty churches and charity replaced by the welfare state, which now takes care of those who are uneducated and shun honest work. As I'm sure you've noticed, women and non-whites are so very thankful for these social improvements.

    Helluva comment, Neuday! That sums up a lot of societal destruction in two concise paragraphs.

    I say that as someone whose family has never had a maid, never had a cleaning woman (could really use one sometimes!), and I’ve never had anyone work on my anything on my house, except for a roofing crew once. (Oh, there was the time I had to call the gas company, cause I hacksawed through the gas line 3 ft. down in the clay, very sure it was the water line. It was that “hsssss” that got me thinking, “hey, this not my beautiful leaking water main!”)

    • LOL: vhrm
  121. @nebulafox
    Maids are a lot more common in Singapore and Hong Kong: considered a normal bourgeois thing to do here. I think it is the British influence. Most Americans tend to be deeply uncomfortable with having domestic help, I've noticed. Maybe part of the reason gentry liberals really like mass immigration is because they are way more comfortable with imported Hispanic maids than white or black ones.

    Most of the maids here are Filipinas and Indonesians: they have the friendly personalities and language skills needed. Many, particularly the former, are surprisingly well educated, though it is the latter that tend to view domestic service as a temporary thing to bootstrap a business or degree back home (they've often got boyfriends doing construction abroad, too) rather than the lifestyle that a depressing amount of Filipinas are stuck with.

    As a side note, I've always wondered why they don't use Filipinos instead of Indians at call centers, way more customer friendly and more familiar, fluent English for an American.

    NF, Res already replied, but my experience is with more Filipio’s and -a’s than .Indian, but that’s for customer service for billing and things like that. For tech support, I guess that’s why they are called “tech-support Indians” instead of the demeaning “.Indians”, and then we can distinguish them from the “feather”, dang, “Casino Indians.

    I have enjoyed talking to the Filipino/a ones. They just have great personalities. As good as their English is, you can tell that they don’t catch a lot of what you say, if you don’t speak pretty slowly or if you use any idioms or what-have-you.

  122. @BenKenobi
    I guess he missed the subtle detail where it turns out ventilation isn't the panacea it's supposed to be. So fudge it, ventilate all the blegs in America, preemptively! We all get precisely what we ask for.

    Ventilation now, ventilation tomorrow, ventilation forever.

    LOL!

  123. @res

    John, the white guy, is left on a gurney in the hallway.
     
    And lives. At which point they start screaming racism again because obviously putting the "good" people on ventilators was worse care.

    Or we can just skip all the details and observe that it is just all one continuous primal scream of "Racism!"

    Liberals believe that health, like all other forms of wealth, is something that is given to people by the government (or stolen). Like wealth, good health cannot be the result of either behavior or luck. Thus, any differences in outcome between groups is the result of “health” being distributed unfairly.

    If John lives through his bout of WuFlu and Rosa dies there can only be one reason.

    • Agree: res
  124. @Anonymous
    I dont anticipate needing a ventilator during this particular pandemic. I can, however, anticipate needing one in my lifetime. This outbreak has enlightened me of the false promise of ventilators. Apparently, iron lungs were far superior for the patient as they simulate natural negative pressure the body uses to breathe. So my new life goal is to build one for myself out of plywood as an Australian named Both did in the early/mid 20th century.

    Even if they only worked exactly as well as a ventilator (they don't, they work better) I would choose the iron lung. Let's say you are in your 60's and get a bad case of pneumonia. Doctors say there is 95% chance of death without assisted respiration; but there is still 50% chance of death with assisted respiration. Do you want to give up the last 2 weeks of your life to a medically induced coma, or do you want to say your goodbyes from your iron lung? Easy choice for me.

    I would like to look into why the iron lung fell out of favor. It definitely looks far more peaceful and humane than a ventilator.

    Think of all those photos from the 1950s with smiling mothers standing next to their smiling children laying in iron lungs during the polio epidemic.

    My mother is elderly and has COPD. She has told me that she is not afraid of dying with this Coronavirus but is terrified of being put on a ventilator.

    There is something viscerally frightening about ventilators and a tube down one’s throat.

  125. @Neuday
    I think the idea was that with a maid/housekeeper/nanny, the middle-class wife would be volunteering at various social groups, improving the community while also giving her a chance to be with her friends, as long as they didn't start talking about temperance again. This arrangement led to better schools, hospitals, churches and charities. The "help" had a decent job that didn't require much education and was honest work, and frequently the hired help became quite beloved by the family.

    Now that this terrible way of life has been destroyed, since it was obviously demeaning to women and non-whites, girls are routed toward the career path, keeping the cost of labor low and taxes high to pay for the government that now has complete control over schools, hospitals, empty churches and charity replaced by the welfare state, which now takes care of those who are uneducated and shun honest work. As I'm sure you've noticed, women and non-whites are so very thankful for these social improvements.

    the government that now has complete control over schools, hospitals, empty churches and charity replaced by the welfare state

    The welfare state is an artificial heart.

  126. @Steve Sailer
    No, about the same.

    If you are interested in coronavirus coverage, you can get it elsewhere, often from people who know more about these subjects than I do. If you are sick of the subject, I'm not providing much in the way of alternatives.

    I’m surprised honestly. I usually only get to catch up on posts on the weekend so getting through so many at once I don’t comment much (or get told to “cool off for a while”). I would have thought quarantine time would give everyone a little more time to comment in general, let alone on an all consuming topic that has no real answers or known outcomes so everyone can spout off fairly freely.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I get a lot of comments on my CV posts that are closer to older iSteve themes, like Asian-American lady writers laying the Hate YT tropes on thick in the NYT in order to boost their careers.
  127. @Mr. XYZ
    We had a gardener to cut our grass but we subsequently fired him after he accidentally cut out cables in the backyard, I believe.

    *accidentally cut *our* cables … (typo)

  128. @Anon87
    I'm surprised honestly. I usually only get to catch up on posts on the weekend so getting through so many at once I don't comment much (or get told to "cool off for a while"). I would have thought quarantine time would give everyone a little more time to comment in general, let alone on an all consuming topic that has no real answers or known outcomes so everyone can spout off fairly freely.

    I get a lot of comments on my CV posts that are closer to older iSteve themes, like Asian-American lady writers laying the Hate YT tropes on thick in the NYT in order to boost their careers.

  129. @Morris Applebaum IV
    I've always the dividing line between middle class and upper class is the ability to afford a maid. We might live in a large house in an excellent neighborhood with "very good schools," but nobody here can afford a maid. A lot of people have fancy cars, but nobody has a maid.

    I had a maid when I was a kid. Seems like a lot of more people could afford maids back in the 70s and 80s. They were pretty common on tv shows as well, like The Brady Bunch.

    Morris, I’ve had two maids in my life. The first divorced me, oh, have to sign off now, the other maid sometimes reads over my shoulder.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
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    Be safe, Joe. We wouldn't want to lose you.
  130. @Buffalo Joe
    Morris, I've had two maids in my life. The first divorced me, oh, have to sign off now, the other maid sometimes reads over my shoulder.

    Be safe, Joe. We wouldn’t want to lose you.

  131. @BenKenobi
    Now Twink, if everything I've seen you post about yourself over the years is true, you're some sort of cross between Chris Kyle, Bruce Lee (or perhaps Chong Li?), and Frederick Banting.

    But you just said that the only thing validating your existence as a Korean man is your White wife. Seems odd.

    Chris Kyle, Bruce Lee (or perhaps Chong Li?), and Frederick Banting.

    Ugh, no. Not even close.

    But you just said that the only thing validating your existence as a Korean man is your White wife. Seems odd.

    You haven’t met my wife. 😉

  132. Let’s reboot “fair”.

    John is white, and white people created the ventilator in the first place, therefore he should have priority, by virtue of his membership in the superior group. Not only is this outcome fair to John, it is fair to black people in the aggregate because more white people will live pursuant to this hierarchy of virtue and more white people means more medical technology will be invented and implemented to permit black people to live better lives, even though Rosa has a lower priority for a given ventilator relative to John.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  133. @AP
    You don't have anyone cut your grass, or come by the house once a week for a cleaning? There is no need I can think of for a full-time maid or gardener, but one doesn't need to be rich to afford such services.

    >You don’t have anyone cut your grass, or come by the house once a week for a cleaning?

    I was always under the impression that… kids did this kind of stuff? I suppose if you don’t have them or they are still babies, it’s different, but even then, this strikes me as the kind of weekend crap that you can easily knock out…

  134. @trelane
    NYT article synopsis:

    Why don't we just zip up still-living white 40-yo John in a body bag and throw him, screaming, into the crematorium? This way Rosa (Parks) can get her damn ventilator.

    McKenna is right. Has anybody noticed, we are actually discussing the “economic impact” of killing off the elderly and ‘undeserving’? This is friggin’ scary, people, we are discussing the “putting down” of people, because of their ‘economic impact’ or lack thereof?
    Even taking part in that conversation proves YOUR worth to humanity.
    No judgement, just adding my penny.
    …but we are discussing putting people down!

  135. @Thucydides
    "Laying on your stomach" should be lying on your stomach. On the other hand, you could say doctors have found laying patients on their stomachs is beneficial.

    Patients, once positioned anyhow, immediately start laying. Just to see the bastard, I must lay down 600 oinkosteros. Then they habitually try kill me slowly. I am just one big money-laying health-care asset to them…

  136. @Morris Applebaum IV
    I've always the dividing line between middle class and upper class is the ability to afford a maid. We might live in a large house in an excellent neighborhood with "very good schools," but nobody here can afford a maid. A lot of people have fancy cars, but nobody has a maid.

    I had a maid when I was a kid. Seems like a lot of more people could afford maids back in the 70s and 80s. They were pretty common on tv shows as well, like The Brady Bunch.

    We didn’t have a live in maid but a Peruvian woman who came twice a week. Once my sister at a friend’s house heard her say the maid will take care of that and she said we have a maid but we don’t call her the maid, we call her Teah, her first name.

    My mother grew up with black maids. One practically raised her, and looked after us when we were kids visiting our grandparents. Always a pantry full of coke, ginger ale and Wink. Her name was Mae Noble, and she came to our family reunion in North Carolina. About 100 of us plus Mae.

    Don’t worry, Reg. Our babysitter, Miss Kearney, was Irish.

    My friend’s baby sitter was Angela McCourt. Frank and Malachy’s famous mom.

  137. I think we need to start taking ventilators away from wealthy Jews and giving them to poor Whites. Jews are more systemically privileged than Whites and Whites face institutional bias from Jews all the time; take this NYT article as a great example of that pehnomenon.

  138. @BenKenobi
    Now Twink, if everything I've seen you post about yourself over the years is true, you're some sort of cross between Chris Kyle, Bruce Lee (or perhaps Chong Li?), and Frederick Banting.

    But you just said that the only thing validating your existence as a Korean man is your White wife. Seems odd.

    I think you meant Lee Won-hee, not Bruce Lee.

  139. @Thucydides
    "Laying on your stomach" should be lying on your stomach. On the other hand, you could say doctors have found laying patients on their stomachs is beneficial.

    Beat me to this pet peeve of mine.

  140. @res

    Whenever i read something by a credentialed “ethicist”, they come off as someone you wouldn’t trust alone with a house plant, much less a human being.
     
    I think this comes down to two things.
    1. It is a route into healthcare which requires neither any science skills nor any need to get your hands dirty dealing with the physical needs of patients.
    2. The woke think it is a good way to influence policy. And sadly, I think they are right.

    I reckon a “medical ethicist” is just a particular type of zampolit.

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