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From the New York Times op-ed page:

We Can Replace Them
In Georgia, a chance to rebuke white nationalism.

By Michelle Goldberg, Opinion Columnist, Oct. 29, 2018

… Right now America is tearing itself apart as an embittered white conservative minority clings to power, terrified at being swamped by a new multiracial polyglot majority. The divide feels especially stark in Georgia, where the midterm election is a battle between Trumpist reaction and the multicultural America whose emergence the right is trying, at all costs, to forestall. …

Kemp is the candidate of aggrieved whiteness.

How dare whites feel aggrieved about being replaced? Those bastards, letting themselves get resentful over us replacing them. They deserve what they have coming. We’re not replacing whites because we love power, we are replacing whites because they are hateful. We know they are hateful because of how much they make us hate-filled toward them. If they didn’t flat-out deserve to be hated, we wouldn’t hate them so much. Our boots stamping on their inhuman faces forever is for their own good.

… In a week, American voters can do to white nationalists what they fear most. Show them they’re being replaced.

In other words, a New York Times columnist is saying, “Screw the optics. I’m going in.”

Seriously, is this wise?

This is a good example of why the conspiracy theorists are so often so wrong. You can tell that there are very few grand conspiracies in this world — that instead there are just people doing whatever the hell seems like a good idea to them at the moment — because nobody important ordered Michelle Goldberg to ix-nay on her “We Can Replace Them” rant: “Damn it, Michelle, the Secret Replacement Master Plan is supposed to be secret, at least until after the November election! Why are you printing it in the New York Times in October? Are you crazy?”

Even more seriously, the Immigration Weapon needs to be driven out of American politics. It’s way too tempting to try to use immigration to elect a new people, which in turn sets off a psychologically inevitable chain of thought about how the old people deserve their replacement. Allowing one side to try to win elections through altering the electorate via immigration is like allowing a football team to bring brass knuckles, razor blades, and guns onto the field. We need a national understanding that using immigration to try to win without having to persuade the current voters is not some sacred rite, it’s incredibly destructive to democracy and it should be shunned by all.

At this point, everybody needs to take a breath and calm down.

I admire Bernie Sanders because he got to be about 75 years old seemingly without it occurring to him that morality demands that he win by replacing the electorate with more Bernie-friendly voters.

Bernie always seemed to assume that the right way to win was by persuading the existing electorate that he was right and the other side was wrong.

What a dinosaur! That’s not democracy. Everybody knows nowadays that democracy instead is the Democrats winning by rigging the election by importing a new electorate.

 
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  1. Anonymous[378] • Disclaimer says:

    I wonder how many times Goldberg had to go back and change “replace whites” to “replace white nationalists” while drafting this piece.

    • Agree: TheBoom
    • Replies: @istevefan
    , @SMK
  2. Well there it is. Our Elites are going for broke. They’re gonna try & drag the US (& as many other Western nations as they can) across the demographic tipping point. Then they can dispense with the nuisance of competitive elections.
    *”May all of the the Economic Zone formerly known as the USA resemble the Uniparty/Oligopoly-controlled California.”*
    At least they are being honest about it. Get it right out there in the open.

  3. I’m going to go out on a limb here and propose that the rhetoric of the Michelle Goldbergs of the world prematurely celebrating the demise of the core American population and cheering on the brown hordes did far more to inspire the Pittsburgh Synagogue shooter than anything ever said by Mr. Trump.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  4. BenKenobi says:

    allowing football teams to bring brass knuckles and guns onto the field

    • Replies: @Lot
  5. When Hillary “they all look alike” Clinton is supposed to be the tyranny part of anarcho-tyranny, I suspect the anarcho part is liable to start slipping through propped doors… first slowly and then… well not all at once since I don’t think anarchy is an option. The real question is what forestalls the anarchy, and some options are better than others.

  6. Anon[271] • Disclaimer says:

    “We” need separate countries.

  7. istevefan says:

    In a week, American voters can do to white nationalists what they fear most. Show them they’re being replaced.

    In a week, white American voters can do to globalists what they fear most. Vote in bloc-like fashion.

    • Replies: @Big Cheef
    , @Flip
  8. Anon[271] • Disclaimer says:

    “In Georgia, a chance to rebuke white nationalism.”

    By electing a racist black democrat who advocated destroying Stone Mountain the way the Taliban destroyed those Buddhist statues, the same woman once photographed burning the state’s flag.

    • Replies: @Barnard
  9. indocon says:

    I wonder how much Michelle Goldbergs of the world have really game planned the future once let’s say they take power in a state like Georgia? Have they thought about the possibility of Koreans and Indians and blacks and liberal whites getting together? What would whites in Pennsylvania and Michigan feel once they see open warfare on their types down south? And what about the the perception of Goldbergs who don’t live in NY/LA?

    In my really hoping for a surprise outcome next Tuesday where increased black support for Republicans puts them over the top in critical states like Georgia. It will hopefully convince Republicans to give more attention to the needs of lower and middle-class people.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @anonymous
  10. TheBoom says:

    We need a national understanding that using immigration to try to win without having to persuade the current voters is not some sacred rite, it’s incredibly destructive to democracy and it should be shunned by all.

    And why would they do that when California shows it will make the US a one party nation for the Democrats

  11. bomag says:

    Show them they’re being replaced.

    Could have softened it by using “displaced”, or “dislodged”; but I suppose it’s okay now to show one’s true feelings.

    I guess bragging about the economic utility of immigrants, and the virtues of multiculturalism, is too gross a lie to use anymore.

  12. istevefan says:
    @Anonymous

    Good point. After all it was never about replacing white nationalists since that term has not been long in common usage. The immivasion and push to diversify were begun well before that term became popular, and were directed at White America, period, full stop.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  13. Allowing one side to try to win elections through altering the electorate via immigration is like allowing a football team to bring brass knuckles, razor blades, and guns onto the field. We need a national understanding that using immigration to try to win without having to persuade the current voters is not some sacred rite, it’s incredibly destructive to democracy and it should be shunned by all.

    But wouldn’t any sane immigration policy benefit republicans? Even no immigration at all would do that. It’s virtually inevitable that one side or another would benefit even under crazy systems.

    • Replies: @al gore rhythms
  14. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT There’s a bomb scare in Pasadena (bomb squad has been called, a large area is being evacuated), however, Pasadena once blocked a highway and deployed a robot to investigate a nonlethal jacket that somebody I guess didn’t want any more. So because it’s Pasadena possibly this is nothing.

  15. … nobody important is going to order Michelle Goldberg to ix-nay on the “We Can Replace Them” rants…

    Bingo. Direct hit. Nobody is going to do that, but they will tell people to ix-nay on other things unless they want to suffer high-tech lynchings. Only approved speech is permitted.

    The ones who make the threats know that they are backed by the monopolies.

  16. Kemp says:

    Kemp is up by 1.6% in the RCP average, and most polling has a 2-4 point bias in favor of Democrats. Kemp is going to win by 3-5%, even after voter fraud by the Democrats.

    Sorry, Goldberg, this one won’t even be close.

  17. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Alec Leamas

    A certain group of “true believer types” (or, perhaps, Sheila Broflofskies) seem determined to prove that nutcake right. Yes, we’re doing it, you can do nothing to stop us now, and then, I suppose, evil laughter from a movie. Other Jews, in Pittsburgh (and one in Israel who has a large social media following), have said that these idiots don’t speak for everybody. But this certainly seems to be an unforced error revealing how they think, like when Harvey Weinstein was going to atone for sexual assault and witness tampering by attacking the Constitution.

  18. istevefan says:

    Kemp is the candidate of aggrieved whiteness.

    No, Kemp is the candidate of the Republican Party, one of the two major parties in our system. The other party is the Democratic Party of which you and the newspaper for which you work seem to be affiliated.

    For the public good you and your employer should openly acknowledge this conflict of interest to enable the American public to more objectively consume your product.

    In financial news about companies, authors are now expected to fully disclose whether or not they have a position in the company they just discussed, or whether they intend to open a position in the near future. We are beyond the point where the MSM should do the same when discussing politics.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    , @midtown
  19. anon[169] • Disclaimer says:

    … In a week, American voters can do to white nationalists what they fear most. Show them they’re being replaced.

    by michelle goldberg

    its only been two days but already i couldn’t care less about Pittsburgh

  20. notanon says:

    the problem with nepotism is even if a group has a high average IQ there’s still an awful lot of dummies they need to find jobs for.

  21. wren says:

    Spotted in LA today:

  22. Wilkey says:

    “In a week, American voters can do to white nationalists what they fear most. Show them they’re being replaced.”

    Others beat me to it but yes, you can tell there is a conspiracy. *Somebody* forced Goldberg to change it from “replacing whites” to “replacing white nationalists.”

    How Goldberg’s rant differs in any significant way from the guy who shot up the Tree of Life Synagogue I do not know, other than a) the target of her hate (whites); and b) that it’s acceptable to put in in print.

    • Agree: Federalist
    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
  23. eah says:

    “irredeemably foul”

  24. @Kemp

    We live in interesting times. Expect many DEMs to respond with an explosive, volcanic Rage if things don’t go their way on election night. Brace for hot spittle!

  25. I do sometimes wonder how dumb the Left can be.

    I’m a multicultural kind of guy. On our street, we have a family of Iranian immigrants, an African-American lady, a woman whose parents were immigrants from China, an elderly Southern belle, a Jewish couple from South Africa, a guy who was Army Air Corps during WW II (he was shot down over Axis territory — he managed to make it back to the Allies), an Italian-American couple who own a restaurant, and a white atheist guy descended from the Pilgrims (the last one is me).

    We all get along fine.

    But, this “we can replace them”? No, that is not going to play real well even out here in multicultural California.

    The Left does seem to have a talent for self-destructive behavior.

    Perhaps that is what happens when politics becomes a substitute for psychotherapy.

  26. El Dato says:
    @indocon

    Come on. Everybody sees him/herself in orbit in Elysium living in a controlled environment while the masses can work it out earthside.

    There is only “me”.

  27. eah says:
    @eah

    At least you know where she stands — actually at this point the more Whites see how any White who does not worship ‘diversity’, show extreme obeisance to non-whites, and welcome/finance their own displacement (via tax slavery), all the while being harangued about their ‘privilege’, is absolutely despised, the better.

  28. Altai says:

    It’s truly bizarre how they get away with vacillating between ‘diversity is cultural and economic enrichment’ and ‘diversity is ethnic displacement and a burden you deserve!’.

    • Agree: bomag
  29. Plus, as the current Secretary of State, Kemp gets to count the votes. So he’s got that going for him, which is nice.

  30. Wilkey says:
    @CrunchybutRealistCon

    “We live in interesting times. Expect many DEMs to respond with an explosive, volcanic Rage if things don’t go their way on election night. Brace for hot spittle”

    Before the 2016 elections I had a bet with my leftist cousin that the Dems would riot if Trump won. How bad will the riots be this year if Republicans emerge victorious? I won’t be shocked if they are worse than two years ago. In fact that is far more likely than there being no riots at all. Stay away from Portland, folks.

    • Replies: @Big Cheef
    , @Ragno
  31. In OT Breaking News – it appears Merkel is calling it quits.

    The news was not a total shock: Germans have been alternately praying for, and fearing, such an announcement since the migration crisis of 2015. The question now is whether Ms. Merkel will last her full term; most likely, the grand coalition between her party and the center-left Social Democrats will collapse before the next election. /blockquote>

  32. Getting all upset about how your race or group is losing out is exactly what our owners want.

    They want you to blame it on powerless minorities. Anything but them.

    But you people actually believe that rich people are good and your friends, and that it is people on welfare who are out to get you.

    You are hopeless. Just talk amongst yourself. Nobody wants to hear you.

  33. @istevefan

    In OT Breaking News – it appears Merkel is calling it quits.

    The news was not a total shock: Germans have been alternately praying for, and fearing, such an announcement since the migration crisis of 2015. The question now is whether Ms. Merkel will last her full term; most likely, the grand coalition between her party and the center-left Social Democrats will collapse before the next election. /blockquote>

  34. @Guy De Champlagne

    Didn’t Democrats ever win elections before 1965?

    • Replies: @Guy De Champlagne
  35. Big Cheef says:
    @istevefan

    Can they? We have seen no evidence of that.

    • Replies: @BigDickNick
  36. Anon[129] • Disclaimer says:

    “They want you to blame it on powerless minorities. Anything but them.”

    True. But when guys have tried blaming them, they get called all the names Trump has been called. What about a grand bargain where white people apologize for slavery and pay poor black people to move into places like Rob Riener’s neighborhood? Totally serious, too. Maybe Michell’s neighborhood? God knows that girl could use someone to help her with that mop she’s got.

    “But you people actually believe that rich people are good and your friends, and that it is people on welfare who are out to get you.”

    Wrong website. They aren’t and we don’t, or at least I don’t.

  37. Anon[129] • Disclaimer says:

    “Didn’t Democrats ever win elections before 1965?”

    All the time. Then Reagan came along and they switched tactics: if you can’t beat’em, cheat’em.

  38. Big Cheef says:
    @Wilkey

    They will take the House and claim victory. This is probably the best scenario for Trump’s re-election campaign. He then has a scapegoat for most negative stories. In any event, he already got what he was going to get from a Republican Congress this term. Slimmer Republican majorities aren’t going to deliver more funding for the wall or anything bolder.

  39. Dtbb says:
    @obwandiyag

    What does Pontiac stand for again?

  40. If I was a sub-saharan African like Michelle Goldberg, I’d worry about white nationalists, too.

  41. Anonymous[160] • Disclaimer says:

    Well, they could do no better than to take a leaf out of Britain’s New Labour (Economist©) playbook, and set fair with a policy of massive, uncontrolled unlimited immigration that *can and will* ensure automatic, permanent Labour Party political hegemony in the Britain of the near future.

    The irony is, of course, that it has blown up in The Economist’s face. Rather than getting the pet eunuch poodle neo-lib Labour Party which they expected, they will get a full-blown Marxist 1968 type regime.

  42. JackOH says:

    “Even more seriously, the Immigration Weapon needs to be driven out of American politics.”

    “It’s way too tempting to try to use immigration to elect a new people, which in turn sets off a psychologically inevitable chain of thought about how the old people deserve their replacement. Allowing one side to try to win elections through altering the electorate via immigration is like allowing a football team to bring brass knuckles, razor blades, and guns onto the field.”

    “We need a national understanding that using immigration to try to win without having to persuade the current voters is not some sacred rite, it’s incredibly destructive to democracy and it should be shunned by all.”

    Yep, Steve, exactly.

    I was reluctant to think of immigration as “displacement”—to0 inflammatory, too improbable, too conspiratorial, too patently unAmerican in a genuine sense, too brazen, too much finger-stabbing at cosmopolitan Jewish puppet masters, all that.

    Then, barely a few months ago, I read an article about 3,000 Guatemalans who speak an Indian dialect who’ve been settled in the county south of me, and many of those Guatemalans work at a local meat-packing plant. That’s 3,000 very alien people in a mostly rural county of 100,000, most of whom are of Anglo or German stock..

    There’s no way on the planet those folks showed up here in the course of orderly immigration policies that balance interests in a transparent, explainable way. It sure looks like “displacement immigration” is a real thing.

  43. TheBoom says:
    @Altai

    Not bizarre. They own the megaphone

  44. anon[133] • Disclaimer says:

    That’s what Ezra Klein looks/sounds like?

    It’s weird seeing him next to Bernie Sanders who, for all his faults, at least appears to be a normal human being. Klein sounds like a NYT editorial come to life.

    • Replies: @Mitchell Porter
  45. The Old Commumists believed as a matter of dogma that the revolution was an historical inevitability. The Bourgeoisie would eventually get their commupance and be replaced by the new Socialist Man.

    It’s clearer every day how the SJWs are directly descended from the old commies. They still believe that the “science is settled,” they are on “the right side of history,” and the revolution is nigh.

    Anyone who stands in their way is just a reactionary, “bitter clinger.”

    However, their sense of inevitability also tends to makes them lazy and sloppy. So they do things like openly admit their “replacement” strategy before they have gotten their new majority in place. This has given the legacy Americans an opening to fight back before it’s too late.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    , @ben tillman
  46. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @indocon

    “It will hopefully convince Republicans to give more attention to the needs of lower and middle-class people.”

    Hope & Change 2.1

    This is why and how people keep voting. Elections are to divide, conquer, and placate.

  47. Anon[759] • Disclaimer says:

    I think it’s important to stop using “whites” and be clear that what is meant is Christian-heritage whites or Christian-ancestry whites, as opposed to Jews. Whenever racial or ethnic disparities or disparate impact is discussed, the two categories of whites need to be clearly distinguished.

    It’d be nice to see a disparate impact lawsuit be filed over disparities in representation in a company or a university between Christian and Jewish whites. It will be laughed out of court, amid allegations of antisemitism, the first few times, but in the long run it’s the same fight blacks are engaged in: slave-heritage African Americans versus recent immigrant family Caribbean-heritage and continental African-heritage African Americans. The latter supply 50 percent of Harvard’s “black” students, and the slave descendants are not happy.

    To build a case that this is not antisemitic, accurate relative data about differences in values and views, from polling, should be soberly presented. These are two cultures as different from each other as Christian-heritage whites are from Hispanics, and arguably from blacks.

  48. @PhysicistDave

    But, this “we can replace them”? No, that is not going to play real well even out here in multicultural California.

    Dave, you sound like a nice guy, so I really don’t mean to insult you, but if, in relation to a story like this, your first impulse is stress your multicultural bona fides, then, as manly as it can feel to strike a blow on a comment thread, we both know that in real life people like you are not going to do anything different to what you’ve done up until now, which is to keep on cucking. This momentary spurt of anger will pass and then you’ll be right back to enjoying the good life (as cucks like you apparently define it) with those wonderful, dear Iranian and African friends of yours. Why upset the apple cart?

    • Agree: 3g4me, eah
    • Replies: @anonymous
  49. Ironically white nationalism is virtually non-existent. Economic nationalism is making something of a comeback, and Jared Taylor is having modest success with white advocacy (white identity politics consciously decoupled from ethno-nationalism) but actual white nationalism only really exists in prisons and on obscure internet sites.

    If white racial conservatism does make a comeback in the US is won’t be through white nationalism.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    , @notanon
  50. Realist says:

    Eleven Rabbis have told Trump he is not welcome in Pittsburgh unless he denounces white nationalism.
    More anti white Jews.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  51. dvorak says:

    What’s truly disturbing is that it’s not just barren Jewish journalists who subscribe to the “white people are the problem” view, it’s moderates like Blair and Merkel.

    These moderates are extraordinarily dangerous. Blair put a radical Jew in charge of immigration policy and allowed her to do her worst, making sure that she was muzzled from announcing what she was doing. She shut up, (likely a major sacrifice for a radical Jew), and the 3rd world flooded in quietly.

    Merkel instantly imported a 3rd world population of men in their twenties EQUAL TO the existing population of white German men in their twenties. Rather than a mistake, she likely viewed it as an opportunity for instant diversity. Her finance minister (a conservative, to her right) piped up with an infamous statement claiming that without diversity, Germans would become inbred. This suggests that Merkel knew what she was doing – not making a mistake. She sees herself as a 21st century Helmut Kohl; where Kohl is revered for unifying Germany, Merkel will be revered for diversifying Germany.

    Instant cucking’s gonna get you. And a moderate like George P. Bush or Eric Garcetti will string you up.

    • Replies: @ronhan
  52. It’s amazing how they’ve convinced the 73% or so white Americans that they are actually a doomed minority long before it is a fait accompli.

    But if you believe everything you see on the idiot box … and too many do … you’d think that half the US is black and the other half is LGBTQQIAPQWERTYUIOP.

  53. Anon[204] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s important to note that this phrase Goldberg has repeated here was used prominently by racist counter-protesters are Charlottesville. She knew exactly what she was doing by using it.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  54. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @eah

    I no longer vote, and have no particular regard for Senator Corker. And I would have voted not to confirm Judge Kavanaugh on the basis of his unconstitutional warmongering, violation of the Fourth Amendment, and rationalized torture on behalf of the Cheney administration.

    But the Senator handled this exactly as I think he should have, including the quip at the end We all know people like the protesting lady, who probably would be a nice neighbor and perhaps even a friend. That this encounter would be presented as the act of a “monster” indicates that Ms. Goldberg is a zealot, someone who demonizes those who harbor a contrary belief

    • Replies: @Forbes
  55. @Anon

    “We” need separate countries.

    “They” have several continents full of countries.

  56. @unpc downunder

    If white racial conservatism does make a comeback in the US is won’t be through white nationalism.

    In fact, it’ll be in spite of white nationalists, not because of them.

    • Replies: @Frank G
  57. Moshe says:

    As I’m sure other people have pointed out already, her title is referring to the Charlottetown chant “The Jews Will Not Replace Us! The Jews Will Not Replace Us! The Jews Will Not Replace Us!”

    I haven’t read her article or yours (I am confident I already know the precise content of both), but you are trumpeting her headline to make your point and it does not. It did make your point the last 50 times you pointed to elites electing a new populace but here it is correct and it doesn’t come close to the sort of hypertension-causing headlines antisems deserve today.

  58. Tyrion 2 says:

    Michelle Goldberg has clearly been injecting raw sewage into the cavity where normal people store their brain, but some moral clarity is needed.

    While the NYT is not some spree killer’s GAB account and therefore needs be a lot more well thought out, it actually is a lot more well thought out.

    (More remains, as always, a comparative term.)

    Goldberg isn’t advocating genocide of white people. She’s advocating using immigration to fix elections in favour of a party that still gets the majority of its votes from white people. Yes, I despise her opinions but morally equivocating them with Bowers is ludicrous.

    Bowers and his ilk are actually advocating genocide.

  59. midtown says:
    @istevefan

    Agreed. Reporters and columnists need full disclosure — including whether they have a family member working for a relevant government agency.

  60. @eah

    “you must know you’re going to be remembered as a farcical footnote to something irredeemably foul”

    But apparently it’s white Americans who are “embittered”, not Ms Goldberg, no siree. No bitterness there.

  61. No mention of Leo Frank…?

  62. @Big Cheef

    They’ll narrowly take the House… or narrowly lose it. And I’m holding out hope, the 40 House retirements were anti-Trumpers. Flake, Corker, and McCain are gone. Paul Ryan is leaving. Things could change.

    I give them 2 more years, if they still haven’t don’t anything then I say fuck em .

    • Replies: @anonymous
  63. IHTG says:

    It’s happening:

  64. How dare whites feel aggrieved about being replaced?

    “Whites” aren’t being replaced. White people in the upper 10% income bracket are doing just fine, better than ever actually, which is why Hillary thought she had them in the bag.

    For all the talk about whites being replaced, immigrants are hardly moving the needle in terms of elections. As Steve has often pointed out, Hispanic immigrants can barely be bothered to vote, and when they do vote they vote Republican in far larger numbers than the black population whom they are actually replacing. (Remember, Latino immigration was mostly encouraged by business owners to find people to do service jobs blacks wouldn’t do, or at least wouldn’t do well, blacks have far more to lose from immigration than whites do).

    Asian and Eastern European immigrants do vote, and tend to vote Republican. Net/net it is hard to argue that immigration has actually hurt the Republicans.

    I think the Dems actually get this. The immigration rhetoric is really designed to get blacks and young white people to the polls – that is the Dems core electoral strength. It is also obvious that the GOP (apart from Trump) spends a lot more effort keeping black people in red states from voting than actually worrying about immigrants, and that makes tactical sense.

  65. “Right now America is tearing itself apart as an embittered white conservative minority clings to power …. Kemp is the candidate of aggrieved whiteness. ”

    Psychological projection masquerading as deep thought. Almost every insult and slur emitted by the NYT and WP scribblers is a projection of their own pathological personalities. Bitterness and grievances are the mainstays of the SJWs, not to mention hate and violence. With the Pittsburgh shootings the “hate” and “violence” that Trump promotes is 24×7 coming from the MSM, the not so subliminal message to the voters being that voting Republican is the next step to joining a KKK lynch mob. Last year’s attempted mass murder and wounding of Steve Scalise by James Hodgkinson, a documented Bernie supporter got about 10 minutes of “nothing here to see” coverage from the MSM and has gone lickity split down the memory hole. Every Republican running for office should have a joint photo of Hodgkinson and Bernie to remind the voters of Democrat hypocrisy and projection.

  66. Wierdo says:

    We need to replace the New York Times, the ownership of NBC, CBS, and ABC also.

    Seriously, if a white country with conservative voters bordered us and sent us 50 million voters, this same writer would be screaming bloody murder about it.

    • Replies: @Coemgen
  67. Frank G says:

    This toxic Jewishness is what causes synagogues to get shot up,

  68. Ibound1 says:
    @CrunchybutRealistCon

    If things don’t go the Democrat way, expect many op-ed writers to say republican democracy is a flawed system which needs replacement. They will certainly call for elimination of the Senate (“RI has as many seats as CA, it’s a crime, blah blah blah) and they will call for adding seats to the S.Ct as soon as Democrats take over. More honest ones will say we cannot let a racist holdover of old, soon to be replaced, white America block progress into the perfect Shiny Bright Future. At that point you are veering close to conditions which I don’t want to think about. It’s a condition precedent to violence.

    • Replies: @Bubba
  69. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    So just one last chance, then?

    America: you still have a week. Please consider withholding your consent.

  70. “Bernie always seemed to assume that the right way to win was by persuading the existing electorate that he was right and the other side was wrong.”

    He must have learned that on his honeymoon in Moscow back in the 80′s. Ethical debaters, those communists.

  71. @Peter Akuleyev

    “Whites” aren’t being replaced. White people in the upper 10% income bracket are doing just fine,

    A lie. And a non-sequitur.

    Asian and Eastern European immigrants do vote, and tend to vote Republican.

    Another lie.

  72. theMann says:

    Went through passport control at Bush International last weekend, and it was very educational. On a flight back from Europe more than half the people on the plane we carrying Central American passports and speaking Spanish. Gigantic mob scene at passport control, well over a thousand people trying to pass through. By my observation, at least 75% of the people there carrying passports from Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Mexico etc. Typically assuming quite incorrectly that Texans don’t speak Spanish, listening to their plans to simply walk in on tourist Visas, AND STAY. (At least Texas is a theoretical must show ID at the polls to vote…. in person.)

    An enormous amount of organization would have had to go into moving that many people from one small area of the world to a single US city. Simple fact – the entire population of Central America is coming right in to the USA, determined to stay, and they are receiving all kinds of help from…somebody.

    As far as I am concerned, anyone who votes Democratic, regardless of the putative reason for doing so, is committing treason, pure and simple.

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
  73. @Tyrion 2

    Goldberg isn’t advocating genocide of white people.

    She is advocating the race-replacement of white people.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  74. Coemgen says:

    How does one know if one is a “white nationalist” and not just a white person who adheres to the belief that a constitutional republic is the best form of government so far developed?

    Do “white nationalists” belong in Hillary’s “basket of deplorables?”

    Are there “nationalists” who are not “white?” If so, how do we identify them?

  75. @obwandiyag

    obwandiyag wrote:

    Getting all upset about how your race or group is losing out is exactly what our owners want.

    They want you to blame it on powerless minorities. Anything but them.

    Indeed. The ruling elite is overwhelmingly white. And, for those who are obsessed with Jewish people, no, the top ranks of the elite are not predominantly Jewish: Hillary, Biden, Bill Gates, Pelosi… one could go on and on without mentioning a Jewish person (yes, I know: some are Jewish… and some are Italian and some are Anglos and some are Irish and some are…).

    Most importatnly, the dominant group among those who created this mess in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries — the endless wars, the unstable monetary and financial system, the “progressive” approach to education, the welfare Ponzi schemes, the social engineering, and all the rest — were old-line WASPs and closely allied groups: TR, Wilson, FDR, Truman, and all the allied “progressive” intellectuals.

    To blame blacks or Hispanics or Jews is to be conned by the elite.

    The people who pull the strings have names like “Bush,” “Gergen,” “Clinton,” “Acheson,” etc., not Weinstein or Rodriguez.

    The disaster we face was “made in America” and we can only turn things around if we face up to that fact.

    (For a detailed history of how the rot began, see Rothbard’s The Progressive Era.)

    • Replies: @neutral
    , @Mr. Anon
    , @Honest Abe
  76. @IHTG

    The IRS could put the brakes on this “anchor baby” abuse by enforcing existing tax law on all these “citizens.” American citizens are responsible for filing income tax returns annually on global income regardless of whether that income was earned in the US or not. Everyone entering the US on an American passport should have their tax filing compliance verified on the spot. Also, it’s illegal for dual citizens to enter the US on their foreign passport. If they enforced these laws on everyone like the do with Canadian dual citizens you would see armies of Mexican, Filippino and Chinese dual citizens dump their US citizenship like a hot potato. Oh and, Surprise! Their kids are subject to these laws also, even if they’ve never set foot in the US.

    • Replies: @Lowe
    , @Eagle Eye
  77. Coemgen says:
    @Wierdo

    Yes, hordes of Russians crossing the Aleutians would be a much greater threat to our elections than fakebook ads–by orders of magnitude.

  78. Bleuteaux says:

    Steve asked a week or so ago when the Dems started to lose their minds. Isn’t the more precise question, when did the Dems start to openly sound like genocidal maniacs?

    The answer is still the same: the 2012 election and Obama’s victory. This was the most open demonstration possible that they could start talking about eliminating whites. I think the horror of how openly racist most of the elites are against whites had a big role in the 2016 election.

    And now it’s completely out in the open. I doubt something as ghastly as “we can replace them” would be tolerated in the NYT as recently as 2010.

    • Agree: Forbes
    • Replies: @notanon
  79. Speaking of populations in the process of being replaced, here’s the outgoing French Minister of the Interior on the situation in France’s inner cities:

    Explaining that he had toured the inner cities of Marseille, Toulouse and Paris, Collomb said:

    The situation is very difficult and the phrase ‘Reconquering the Republic” is apt because in these districts it’s the law of the strongest that reigns, that of the drug dealers and radical Islamists, which has supplanted the Republic.”

    He ended his farewell by expressing his anxiety that if something is not done today then tomorrow France will be faced with “immense problems”. He elaborated on what those problems will be in one of his last interviews, with the weekly magazine L’Express. Asked if he shared the fear of the head of France’s equivalent of MI5 that a civil war was a real risk, Collomb said:

    You always have that risk…it’s not a fantasy, even if I don’t like using the term ‘civil war’.”

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/10/france-is-fracturing-but-macron-remains-in-denial/

    • Replies: @notanon
  80. ic1000 says:

    Right now America is tearing itself apart as an embittered white conservative minority clings to power, terrified at being swamped by a new multiracial polyglot majority.

    I’d like to hit the “Agree” button for this remark by commenter “Michelle Goldberg,” but I can’t seen to find it at the moment.

    The Progressive movement decisively rejected Steve Sailer’s Citizenism moral philosophy. “Crush the non-woke cis white males” rolls off the tongue much more easily.

    At this point in our culture’s Bataan march towards the Progressives’ promised land, I wonder what proportion of white-collar non-woke cis white males have felt it necessary to write a Letter To File, in order to document the details of some workplace interaction. An encounter that started as routine, but ended with a threat (implied or explicit) from an aggrieved colleague, boss, subordinate, or client in a position of privilege.

    Ms. Goldberg is correct; reflecting on that experience can lead to embitterment. Especially if one is a participant in the Gig Economy, where the mandatory hour or two at the keyboard is both unpleasant and unpaid.

  81. @Wilkey

    Others beat me to it but yes, you can tell there is a conspiracy. *Somebody* forced Goldberg to change it from “replacing whites” to “replacing white nationalists.”

    In my understanding, “white nationalists” believe in the construction of a pure white ethnostate within the extant boundaries of the United States. Presumably they’d expel non-whites from whatever territory they had chosen upon which to build their project. The percentage of the population that is on board with such a thing is infinitesimal. If one were a white nationalist, would he live in Georgia of all places? It’s the third blackest State in the union by percentage of population. A “white nationalist” would most happily live out his days in Vermont or Idaho.

    What Goldberg is doing in the manner typical of her people is conflating this small number of weirdos who are not representative of any significant movement or current in American politics with her victims – regular, everyday white people who are not thrilled with the social and cultural traumas of being inundated via mass migrations from the third world into the United States. It would be bad enough on its own, but it’s positively suicidal to import people whom the Michelle Goldbergs of the world will immediately proselytize to a cult of hate for you and your children.

    • Agree: Malcolm X-Lax
  82. @Peter Akuleyev

    For all the talk about whites being replaced, immigrants are hardly moving the needle in terms of elections. As Steve has often pointed out, Hispanic immigrants can barely be bothered to vote, and when they do vote they vote Republican in far larger numbers than the black population whom they are actually replacing.

    While we lose money on each sale, we’ll make it up with volume! Brilliant!

    • Agree: MEH 0910
  83. @Hypnotoad666

    It’s clearer every day how the SJWs are directly descended from the old commies. They still believe that the “science is settled,” they are on “the right side of history,” and the revolution is nigh.

    My guess is that you don’t need to go very far up Michelle Goldberg’s family tree to find actual Bolsheviks and red diaper babies.

    • Replies: @Forbes
  84. Nathan says:

    Hey, y’all want to get in on my super-secret reverse replacement plan? Ok then!

    The left hasn’t realized that we can do the exact same thing to them, all be it on a smaller scale and over a slightly longer period of time. We can find lots of young, white, mostly right-leaning people to bring over by… building military bases for NATO countries in the U.S. There’s a lot of mostly unused land in New Mexico, Arizona, and Utah that would be perfect to hand over to the Germans, Brits, French or Polish as an incentive to up their defense budgets. Their service members would come over, see the desert southwest is actually very nice compared to their cold and rainy homes, and then stay and integrate with the culture. The numbers would be small at first, but would gradually build over the decades.

  85. bomag says:
    @obwandiyag

    They want you to blame it on powerless minorities.

    Not so powerless. There is quite a bit of logistics on their side.

    We realize the waves of Orcs are sent by the Evil One in the tower, but that’s how these things go: both the Orcs and the Evil Ones need to be defeated.

  86. bomag says:
    @Alec Leamas

    conflating this small number of weirdos who are not representative of any significant movement or current in American politics with…

    Yes, that’s how it’s done.

    I had an hour long program from propaganda radio (NPR) on in the background last night; it was a careful explanation in how “white supremacist” and “white nationalist” are the same thing, and anyone who supported any part of that agenda needs to painted with the same brush.

    • Replies: @Forbes
  87. Flip says:
    @IHTG

    I am in favor of eliminating birthright citizenship for children illegally in the country, but how would that work in practice? Would you have a box on a birth certificate for the parents’ citizenship or residency status?

    • Replies: @L Woods
    , @Forbes
  88. Flip says:
    @istevefan

    In a week, white American voters can do to globalists what they fear most. Vote in bloc-like fashion.

    That’s what whites do in Mississippi these days.

  89. neutral says:
    @PhysicistDave

    the top ranks of the elite are not predominantly Jewish

    I honestly don’t know if you are being serious are joking. In case you really believe this, in terms of raw numbers, the top elite in Hollywood, Wall Street, political donors, media pundits and owners, then they easily make up at least 50% of any of these.

  90. Ron Unz says:

    Well, all I know about this Georgia race is what I read in the NYT and the rest of my morning newspapers. But Georgia used to be one of the strongest Republican states, but I predicted exactly this possible trajectory in my long analytical article seven years ago:

    Even in a rock-solid Deep South Republican state like Georgia, Hispanics have now grown into a remarkable 10 percent of the population, up from almost nothing in the early 1990s, and represent an even larger share of younger Georgians. So unless the local Republican Party can somehow greatly enhance its appeal to the 30 percent of Georgians who are black, the current wave of anti-immigrant legislation may prove highly problematical ten or 20 years down the road.

    http://www.unz.com/runz/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/#p_1_57

  91. @The Alarmist

    USA is only 63% white. 17% Hispanic. 12.5% black. 6.5 % Oriental. approx. Of those whites, 3% are Jews so they are allies of the browns.

  92. @Alec Leamas

    Good comment. I would click the “Agree” button if it were available.

    • Replies: @ic1000
  93. @Ron Unz

    You predicted it, but how do you feel about it?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  94. ic1000 says:

    The Immigration Weapon needs to be driven out of American politics. It’s way too tempting to try to use immigration to elect a new people, which in turn sets off a psychologically inevitable chain of thought about how the old people deserve their replacement. Allowing one side to try to win elections through altering the electorate via immigration is like allowing a football team to bring brass knuckles, razor blades, and guns onto the field. We need a national understanding that using immigration to try to win without having to persuade the current voters is not some sacred rite, it’s incredibly destructive to democracy and it should be shunned by all.

    Tyler “cheap chalupas” Cowen or some similar blogger once lamented that far more Americans would agree with Steve Sailer’s views on immigration than with the unrestrained Open Bordersism of Libertarians and the Left. That is, if people actually took the time to understand the two positions and their respective implications.

    Fortunately, “Steve Sailer racism” garners 102,000 hits on Google (“be evil”), with factual Wikipedia at bat and impartial RationalWiki on deck. This compares to a paltry 4,690 for “Steve Sailer citizenism.” So the risk that susceptible citizen intellects may be exposed to this strain is being well managed, at present.

    I wish for an iSteve post comprised of the quoted paragraph alone, for easy linking. Closed comments would be even better, as Sailer is plenty generous in putting WNs, Progressives, anti-Semites, and assorted fruitbats on an equal footing with the thoughtful commentariat, below every other post.

    • Agree: Thea
    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  95. @TheBoom

    This is a point that I’ve tried to make several times. For your typical NYT reading leftist – Jew and gentile – the destruction of bad whites will make the country look like California. They’re fine with that.

    High-income liberals can buy their way out of the masses and live just fine. The lights still work, the cities function, help is cheap and there’s a myriad of ethnic restaurants to choose from. Sure, poverty has increased and middle class whites have been forced to flee, but so what. They don’t deal with any of that.

    Maybe they’re getting pushed out a bit by Asians and Indians, but high-income Whites and Jews still are the main power brokers in politics and business. There’s not much downside to this new country, but the upside – punishing bad Whites and blocking any chance of the Jewish Holocaust 2.0 – is well worth it.

  96. Steve

    Off topic:

    Have you read Ted Hill’s book….Pushing Limits:From West Point to Berkeley and Beyond……

    Yes, it’s the same Ted Hill……

  97. Be careful what you wish for.

    The general idea underpinning open borders is that might makes right. Whichever group can take possession of the land takes possession of the ballot box. But once that is achieved what incentive would the losing minority have to go along with the formal process of elections? There’s none. The obvious conclusion is that democracy will only work when borders are relatively impermeable.

    Liberals have not thought this through far enough. Once you have enthroned the might makes right principle, then anything goes. There are no rules. Mass violence looms.

    • Replies: @Nathan
  98. @Ron Unz

    The only latino immigrants who vote Republican (about one-third) are the ones smart enough to realize it does them no good to flood their new home with the democratic rabble they ran away from. I don’t know where you get this idea that you’re going to convince mestizo and indigenous peasants into voting Republican by importing even more of them.

  99. bgates says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Goldberg isn’t advocating genocide of white people

    I suspect an honest answer from her on the subject would be “I really don’t think that will be necessary”.

  100. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    The lights still work, the cities function, help is cheap and there’s a myriad of ethnic restaurants to choose from.

    It works great, until you and your family are murdered in your own luxurious home.

    http://www.fox5dc.com/news/daron-wint-indicted-in-dc-mansion-murders

  101. Moshe says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Tyrion, who are you talking to?

    These people, at least in print and here, are not your friends. Steve won’t allow it (and certainly not while the conversation remains live) but WHILE PEOPLE WERE STILL DYING OF THEIR FATAL WOUNDS some of the local commentators were calling for Jews to receive many more such bloody noses. Even right here on other unz threads and under the same names they are using here.

    That’s who you’re talking to.

    The internet is weird in a great many ways but an understudied one is that, like radio and then television, the internet makes people feel less lonely – or at least they think it will and are repeatedly deflated when it doesn’t. We want approval. We want to be appreciated. We don’t want to be hated…etc. I am writing to you here because you are NOT a bot. The day may come when we can get emotionally jerked off by perfect bots who will bring out the best in us and admire it like an ideal date or audience or comment thread to a televised interview. But so far we only have each other and if you are in the minority on some particular site you are more likely to get hate than love there.

    Now that may be a small price to pay if you think that rational intelligent discussion is better than a bimbo one. But are you getting the vibe that that is happening here?

    Many of the vocal commentators here are washed in the blood haters. They revel in the blood. They love the hate.

    And the others are receiving a mis-impression from Steve himself.

    Steve has a fairly good handle on reality and feels like it’s okay to imagine that he’s speaking to people who know just as much as he does and who are as intellectually stable and knowledgeable as he is. But his output regarding Jews has been so selective (because the other side has its say elsewhere) that people who don’t balance those forbidden truths that Steve shares with the non-forbidden truths that others share end up with a view of Jews that, as they themselves say and have said over and over, isn’t dissimilar from Bowers.

    What can you write that will make them hate you less or (for the non-odious) be less suspicious of you?

    More importantly, why are you begging ro be a member in a club that doesn’t want you and is in no way superior to you? It’s cringe.

    If this were an AMA of my own rather rhan a fly-by comment thread I’d write more, particularly to the fair-minded people who have noticed how interesting The Jewish Story is and how the only legal (in some countries LITERALLY the only legal) explanations about it don’t fully satisfy their intellects.

    And besides, even if it WOULD fully satisfy their intellects, it can’t do so because censorship is odious and a good cause for suspicion.

    If you love Mencken as much as I do then look up his piece on socialism and how its professors (in his day) were hounded out of American universities. Mencken was widely read on economic matters and had a mind that was pretty good at working things through on its own as well. And he concluded th….

    Screw it, I’ll find it myself and share a small bit of it. I hesitated to do so because quotes of his serious pieces never do Mencken justice. But my paraphrasing him would do less of it so here:

    But all the time a troubling question keeps afloat in the air, and that is briefly this:

    What would happen to the learned professors if they took the other side? In other words, to what extent is political economy, as professors expound and practice it, a free science, in the sense that mathematics and physiology are free sciences? At what place, if any, is speculation pulled up by a rule that beyond lies treason, anarchy and disaster?

    These questions, I hope I need not add, are not inspired by any heterodoxy in my own black heart.

    I am, in many fields, a flouter of the accepted revelation and hence immoral, but the field of economics is not one of them. Here, indeed, I know of no man who is more orthodox than I am. I believe that the present organization of society, as bad as it is, is better than any other that has ever been proposed. I reject all the sure cures in current agitation, from government ownership to the single tax. I am in favor of free competition in all human enterprises, and to the utmost limit. I admire successful scoundrels, and shrink from Socialists as I shrink from Methodists.

    But all the same, the aforesaid doubt pursues me when I plow through the solemn disproofs and expositions of the learned professors of economics, and that doubt will not down.

    It is not logical or evidential, but purely psychological.

    And what it is grounded on is an unshakable belief that no man’s opinion is worth a hoot, however well supported and maintained, so long as he is not absolutely free, if the spirit moves him, to support and maintain the exactly contrary opinion.

    And this moves a lot of people here. And rightly so.

    But they are the more silent or semitic part of the crowd and when Steve himself gets carried away in his opposition to the censorship to the extent that he comes to speak solely that which is forbidden to say then there is no way for his readers who aren’t razibs or pinkers to come away with an accurate perception regarding “the jewish people”.

    I protect the security and comfort of those who confide in me so I will unfortunately have to leave out the juicy particulars but I have had intimate conversations and even relationships with people around the world regarding “the jews”, including with people who regard the subject as very central to their interests a….

    Well, I have things to do and I can’t think of a way to say this that doesn’t invade the privacy of other particular people so I’ll take it as a sign to leave the matter unfinished.

    I apologize for doing so. I hope someone enjoyed any part of what I shared above but if no one did I’m cool with that and wish you happiness and health anyhow.

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
  102. roo_ster says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Asian immigrants largely vote democrat.

  103. @anon

    I played the interview in order to hear what a “NYT editorial come to life” sounds like – and was staggered to hear Klein say flat out that it might be a moral imperative for America to “sharply [raise] the level of immigration we permit, even up to a level of open borders”.

    I’m not amazed to hear someone express such an opinion, the world contains many weird opinions and I even agree with some of them. What astonished me was that an extremely influential and prominent pundit would raise this as a serious possibility. He was speaking a month before Merkel said “We can do this” (“Wir schaffen das”), so perhaps he can be excused on the grounds that the world had not yet seen what happens when a developed country makes such a declaration.

    But if we go to his Youtube channel, “The Ezra Klein Show”, as recently as October 11, there is an episode entitled “Reihan Salam makes the case against open borders” – as if “open borders” is a proposal still in need of debate. (And incidentally, throughout the 90 minutes of the video, the screen displays the words “Reihan Salam makes the case for open borders”, my emphasis.)

    So I conclude that Mr Klein, one of the most connected and influential Democratic pundits, even three years after Europe’s experiment in open borders produced a springtime of rightwing nationalism across that continent, still thinks that “open borders” – a proposal to effectively abolish all national specificity, and reduce all governments to landlords and toll collectors – is a concept in need of debate.

    I haven’t listened to the interview; perhaps he had someone on to make the case against open borders, because some of his audience need convincing. What it does say to me is that the policy-making elites of the United States of America, under Democratic rule, embraced visions as global and radical as those of the Soviet Union in its earliest and most revolutionary period.

    People like Lenin, at the helm of the Soviet Union, saw Russia as a vehicle to promote world socialist revolution. Ezra Klein does not say that all nations should follow America’s lead in opening their borders, but he does view America as a vehicle for alleviating world poverty, so the idea that all nations should open to all-comers won’t be far away.

    If I were to continue and say that Russia was severely damaged by these utopian dreams, and that the same has happened to America; or if I were to point out the prominence of European Jews in both episodes, and speculate about why it is that secular Jews were at the heart of two transborder movements aimed at radical leveling of all lives throughout the world… I would not be saying anything unusual for this site.

    Still, I struggle to come to grip with these facts. They are still shocking, and all the more so for not being common knowledge and public knowledge. Also, while they are definitely in need of explanation, I hesitate to embrace the often malign interpretations that freely circulate amongst the redpilled population – e.g. that this is all about Jewish self-interest, whether perceived consciously or unconsciously; that Jews feel free to undermine all national or racial identity, because they see that their own nation or race will still prosper in such a world.

    Consider Michelle Goldberg’s headline, “We can replace them”. Is she really saying, “we” can and should replace the existing people of the USA with a different people more to “our” liking? Or is she just saying, “we” can replace Republican government with Democratic government? If it’s the latter, she may just think she’s being clever in her choice of words, not knowing or just not caring that many of the other side will see this as an overt embrace of “white genocide”.

    I don’t rule out that the “malign interpretations” may be true for some parts of organized Jewry. (I would like to know, for example, if there is precedent in Jewish scripture for the idea that other nations will die while Israel lives. I once saw David Goldman at “The Asia Times” addressing Iranians and saying, Israel will go on while your nation perishes, which leads me to think that there must be such a theme.) But sometimes I think other elements of Jewish character are responsible for these damaging utopian adventures, like the idea of a messiah, and perhaps a tendency to moral fanaticism.

    Something else that I still seek clarity about, is the core of the “problem”. Stormfront will tell you it’s Jews, Ann Coulter will tell you it’s liberals, Donald Trump will tell you it’s Democrats. If you want to see this latest iteration of nation-abolishing utopianism defeated, it makes a difference as to where one locates the heart of that movement.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    , @anon
  104. This is a despicable, even evil sentiment: they hate their political adversaries so deeply, their plan isn’t to persuade anyone that they would be better governors, but to demographically replace, crush, and humiliate the voters that they don’t like.

    I’m actually disappointed that the NYT commenters almost completely agree with the author. Usually, when there is a ridiculous NYT article, the NYT commenters will have a sane reaction to it. Here, they do not.

  105. Ragno says:
    @Wilkey

    Not to keep sounding the same note, but how close are we to a re-enactment of Spain’s Red Terror of 1936? Between this election and the coming apocalypse-lite known as “2020″, I’d say somewhere between cautionary example and complete inevitability.

    • Replies: @Lowe
  106. Arclight says:

    Way back in 2016, my thoughts on Bernie were that although he had no foreign policy vision and is economically illiterate, I’d prefer him as president to Clinton any day of the week. For all his faults, he doesn’t seem to resent his own countrymen the way Clinton and most of the Democratic party does, and he would be unlikely to get excited about using the military to topple various ME states like Secretary Clinton.

    The Michelle Goldbergs of the left not only hate the largest demographic in this country, but like Mutti Merkel they tend to be childless and don’t really care about what kind of country and culture they are leaving behind. The only goal is to shatter the current one.

  107. Dr. X says:

    How dare whites feel aggrieved about being replaced? Those bastards, letting themselves get resentful over us replacing them. They deserve what they have coming.

    Exactly so. Only the (((Goldbergs))) have the right to complain about this. In fact, they wrote a book about it:

    After affliction and harsh labor,
    Judah has gone into exile.
    She dwells among the nations;
    she finds no resting place.
    All who pursue her have overtaken her
    in the midst of her distress.

    The roads to Zion mourn,
    for no one comes to her appointed festivals.
    All her gateways are desolate,
    her priests groan,
    her young women grieve,
    and she is in bitter anguish.

    Her foes have become her masters;
    her enemies are at ease.

    Lamentations 1:3-5

  108. Very relevant to this topic- there’s a rumor going around that Trump might issue an Executive Order trying to end the granting of citizenship to offspring of illegals i.e. anchor babies/ As webzine vdare has said, this is the jugular of the Left’s attempt to demographically transformation the country. Consider- According to the Pew Hispanic Center (not a right-wing source) upwards of 10% of births are of so-called anchor babies, and I think we can safely assume nearly all are non-white. If Trump really, really, really wants to energize his base for the midterms he’d issue this rumored Exec. Order.

    • Replies: @Jasper Been
  109. 60,000,000 Germans weren’t wrong.

  110. @PhysicistDave

    and a white atheist guy descended from the Pilgrims (the last one is me).

    You have to go back.

    • Replies: @Flip
  111. Wilkey says:
    @Alec Leamas

    Precisely. I’ve been reading Steve and other, similar sites for years, yet to this day I still have no idea exactly what a “white nationalist” or member of the “Alt Right” is or what they believe. I had never even heard the term “Alt Right” until around the time Trump was running for re-election.

    Am I a member of the Alt Right or a white nationalist simply by virtue of reading people like Sailer? If so then Alt Right can’t be remotely close to as bad as they’re portraying it. I have no objection to interracial marriage, I believe in respecting and celebrating other cultures, and I believe in allowing *some* immigration. I think the current levels of 1.1 million per year is insanely high, but that’s just an argument over a number. Even 300,000 immigrants per year would be an enormous number, a return to a level of immigration we had just a few decades ago, and most of them would still come from non-white countries. I *do* think it’s important for reasons of political stability for whites to maintain a comfortable majority, and I do think it important to keep out cultures which have failed to shown an ability to assimilate to American values, which mostly just means Muslims. And of course I oppose racial quotas/affirmative action. And I think all those views are pretty much the norm for the majority of people who regularly read these sites.

    Do those beliefs make us white nationalists or does it simply make us pragmatists? Does it make us bigots or does it just make us people who believe in genuine equality, as advertised by the civil rights leaders of the 60s?

    That’s the problem with Michelle Goldberg and her ilk. They have taken people with perfectly normal disagreements over policy, branded us “white nationalists,” and declared that we must be genocided out of existence and have our political power ripped from us by swamping our communities with outsiders. That’s not the argument of a kind or rational person. It’s the argument of a bigot and, yes, a monster.

  112. Luke Lea says:

    OT but I am just listening to Morning Joe this Tuesday morning. The whole show is going all out on proposition that Trump is a racist, David Duke lover, and potential fascist for making mass illegal immigration on the border the big issue in the upcoming election. Nationalism means white nationalism in their opinion and the word “globalism” is now code for anti-Semitism. Furthermore, that Trump might challenge birthright citizenship with an executive order is a direct threat to our constitution.

    Just as interesting, his morning guests are all in with this line of reasoning: Richard Haas, head of the Council of Foreign Relations; Jeffery Goldberg, editor-in-chief of the Atlantic magazine; and Katy Kay, lead anchor of BBC America.

  113. Joe862 says:
    @Anon

    The problem is that dysfunctional and parasitic people aren’t happy living amongst themselves. Why else would anyone be worried about there being single race, religion, whatever countries on earth? They need to be a minority amongst more functional, productive people.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  114. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    For your typical NYT reading leftist – Jew and gentile – the destruction of bad whites will make the country look like California. They’re fine with that.

    High-income liberals can buy their way out of the masses and live just fine. The lights still work, the cities function, help is cheap and there’s a myriad of ethnic restaurants to choose from. Sure, poverty has increased and middle class whites have been forced to flee, but so what. They don’t deal with any of that.

    I agree that this is how they see it, but maybe they are shortsighted. It is seems that the POC’s are becoming unwilling to play the role of the good whites’s pawns, at least in terms of elected office. The brown people are starting to replace geriatric whites in Democrat politics. For now, the white fossils are still mostly in control of the party. But as they die off, won’t they be replaced with POC’s? Maybe people with names like Goldberg should worry about their own replacement.

  115. This is obviously a variation on the same theme:
    OCT. 28, 2018
    Trump’s Ideology Is Anti-Semitism Without Jews
    By Jonathan Chait

    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/trump-pittsburgh-shooting-anti-semitism.html

    So making political arguments that Jews don’t like is anti-Semitism as well?

    • LOL: fnn
    • Replies: @fnn
  116. istevefan says:
    @ThreeCranes

    USA is only 63% white.

    And falling. They are already predicting which year it will become fifty percent, 2040-ish, and there is no floor expected, or desired.

    In fact it appears that unlike some animal in an ecosystem whom conservationists wish to maintain at certain levels, no such concern for maintaining a percentage of Europeans in the population exists.

    • Replies: @Forbes
  117. @Tyrion 2

    The 1948 Convention on Genocide, which defines genocide in international law, includes as genocide

    Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

    Since the convention also defines as punishable crimes,

    Conspiracy to commit genocide;
    Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;

    we have an open declaration of genocide from Ms. Goldberg.

    On Genocide Watch’s Stages of Genocide ladder, the steps of Discrimination, Dehumanization and Polarization have now been taken by the megaphone holders. The only steps remaining are the execution stages.

    Michelle Goldberg and her ilk are actually advocating genocide.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  118. Frank G says:
    @silviosilver

    Anyone who chooses to live in a white country is a white nationalist.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Cagey Beast
  119. This comment was the second highest rated when I looked at the Goldberg’s piece:

    Even the most clueless conservatives must realize that they’re fighting a losing battle. What do they think will happen? That brown-skinned people of every ethnic group will be steamrolled by a juggernaut of bitter, insecure white underachievers?

    That’s not going to happen. White anger is no basis on which to govern. The entire rainbow of people of color is crucial to the economy. There is no litmus test or line that can be drawn that will divide the world between the worthy and the unworthy. If that were the case, most Republicans who have aided and abetted this president would be on the losing side.
    [...]

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/29/opinion/stacey-abrams-georgia-governor-election-brian-kemp.html#permid=29212021

  120. As of today ending birthright citizenship is a mainstream political conversation

    #wedidit fam

    • Replies: @L Woods
  121. istevefan says:
    @Alec Leamas

    Another conflation they do is to link white nationalists with white supremacists. The former wish to live alone from others, the latter wish to rule over them.

  122. Travis says:
    @ThreeCranes

    But look at the demographics of our High School students, which will be our demographics in 20 years when all the boomers have passed away. The boomers are still 80% white, we will miss them when they are gone.

    Already the demographics of our high schools indicate 49% are White, 26% are hispanic, 16% are Black and 9% are Asian or mixed race.

  123. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @CrunchybutRealistCon

    Another manifestation of bringing brass knuckles to a supposedly fair game.

  124. dvorak says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Goldberg isn’t advocating genocide

    Did you ever look up the UN definition of genocide..it’s interesting to say the least.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  125. ic1000 says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Buzz to Alec Leamas: “Good comment. I would click the ‘Agree’ button if it were available.”

    Agree.

    At this early stage, there is a bumper crop of thoughtful, intelligent comments. By, among others, indocon, istevefan, Wilkey, PhysicistDave, eah, Hypnotoad666, dvorak, Tyrion 2, Alec Leamas, Citizen of a Silly Country, Arclight, Almost Missouri, obiwandiyag, and Peter Akuleyev.

  126. Barnard says:
    @Anon

    Stacey Abrams has over $200,000 in personal debt, included back taxes owed to the IRS. She is trying to spin it as a positive for her, claiming it shows she can better relate to the average person’s struggles. I’m sure the elites would have no trouble getting what they wanted out of her.

    http://fortune.com/2018/04/24/stacey-abrams-debt-georgia-governor/

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Buzz Mohawk
  127. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Sorry to give you a task but is there a specific sentence of Goldberg’s you identify as fitting the definition of genocide you helpfully provided?

  128. @Wilkey

    Am I a member of the Alt Right or a white nationalist simply by virtue of reading people like Sailer?

    The former. Alt right is an alternative to the mainstream right that is noted for admitting the existence of ethnic issues.

    I have no objection to interracial marriage,

    There is an issue (the rate of abandonment in black men/white women is insanely high), but this is more of a feminism issue then a race one. Mixed children tend to have issues fitting in, but this is more of an issue with the disintegration of a stable American culture.

    I believe in respecting and celebrating other cultures, and I believe in allowing *some* immigration.

    Any level of immigration that leads to a shift in the ethnic balance (which would be anything greater then zero when TFR is below replacement) eventually leads to the countries destruction.

    The proper level of immigration is thus zero. If we want to improve the lives of foreigners, we pick up the white mans burden. If we want their skills, we provide work visas.

    I do think it important to keep out cultures which have failed to shown an ability to assimilate to American values, which mostly just means Muslims.

    Only because the definitions have changed. American values used to mean British values and none of the other cultures assimilated to them. The current definition of American values is so vague as to be meaningless and thus is incapable of being defined and defended.

  129. SMK says: • Website
    @ThreeCranes

    Are the 20-30 million illegal aliens -virtually all nonwhite, overwhelming Mestizos and pure Amerindians from Mexico and Central American with a large minority of blacks, including mulattos, zambos, and pardos like George Zimmerman- included in these statistics? And what of Muslims?

    • Replies: @Travis
  130. That Michelle Goldberg is amazing!!

    She wrote:

    “… Right now America is tearing itself apart as an embittered white conservative minority clings to power, terrified at being swamped by a new multiracial polyglot majority.”

    I presume one must be a woman to really know what women think.

    Why isn’t being a ‘white nationalist’ a requirement to read their minds?

    Michelle Goldberg knows what women think, because she is a woman.

    Michelle Goldberg knows what conservative whites think because she is not one.

    That woman is utterly fantastic!

  131. CJ says:

    … the midterm election is a battle between Trumpist reaction …

    Now that takes me way back. Labour Party politicians in 1960s and 1970s Britain used to describe Conservative Party arguments as “Blimpist reaction”, named after the fictional Colonel Blimp, a reactionary geriatric military veteran. Using such an expression generally indicated that the speaker was pretty much a gasbag on a rant.

  132. @Barnard

    Wasn’t Brett Kavanaugh much in debt until quite recently? He’s a big spender on sports season tickets.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    , @Forbes
  133. @Peter Akuleyev

    “Whites” aren’t being replaced. White people in the upper 10% income bracket are doing just fine, better than ever actually, which is why Hillary thought she had them in the bag.

    The second statement, even if true, does not support the assertion in your first statement.

    Asian and Eastern European immigrants do vote, and tend to vote Republican.

    This is not true. More Asian votes go for Democrats than Republicans.

  134. fish says:
    @obwandiyag

    But you people actually believe that rich people are good and your friends, and that it is people on welfare who are out to get you.

    We don’t really care for either group. The mindless voting meat you refer to as “poor welfare” recipients are steered by the MSM which is wholly controlled by the “rich people” faction!

  135. @Federalist

    If you look at California, whites are doing okay at holding on to high office. A San Francisco white guy is likely to move up to governor, the current mayor of LA claims to be a little bit Mexican but he looks like the dad on “Modern Family,” Senator Feinstein is ahead in her race, despite being a million years old, etc.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Charles Pewitt
  136. Travis says:
    @SMK

    The census counts illegal aliens the same as citizens…no distinction is made and the 9 million non-citizen aliens in California help increase the number of House seats allocated to California while reducing the seats allocated to states like Ohio which have fewer non-citizens.

  137. ronhan says:
    @dvorak

    You really think Blair and Merkel are moderates? They set their nations on a course where the native populations are being replaced. What would an extremist do, nuke their own countries?

    • LOL: Dtbb
  138. @Mitchell Porter

    I would like to know, for example, if there is precedent in Jewish scripture for the idea that other nations will die while Israel lives. I once saw David Goldman at “The Asia Times” addressing Iranians and saying, Israel will go on while your nation perishes, which leads me to think that there must be such a theme.

    I would point you to the Aleynu prayer, “which begins with the word “Aleynu” (we must), has, since the thirteenth century, functioned as a closing prayer for every Jewish service”.

    We must praise the master of all,
    and render greatness to the creator of the universe,

    Who did not make us like the nations of the lands,
    and did not place us like the families of the earth,

    Who did not make our lot like theirs,
    or our destiny like all of them,

    For they bow down to nothingness and emptiness,
    and pray to a god that will not save,

    But we bow down low in grateful acknowledgement
    before the king over the kings of kings, the Holy One, blessed be He.

    For He spreads out the heavens and establishes the earth,
    and his majestic abode is in the sky above,
    and his mighty dwelling place in the lofty heights

    He is our God; there is none else.
    He is truly our King; none is like Him.

    As it is written in His Torah, “Know this day and reflect on it, because the Eternal is our God in the sky above and the earth below. There is none else.” (Deut. 4:39)

    Eternal our God, we therefore hope
    soon to see Your majestic glory;

    To remove idols from the earth,
    so that the false gods will be destroyed;

    To perfect the world under the Almighty’s kingdom,
    so that all will call on Your name;

    To turn all the wicked of the earth toward You
    so that all the inhabitants of the world will realize and know

    That to You every knee must bow down,
    every tongue swear allegiance.

    Eternal our God, before You they will bow down and fall,
    and honor Your glorious name.

    And they will all accept the yoke of Your kingdom,
    that You might rule over them soon and forever,

    For the kingdom is Yours,
    and to the ends of eternity You will rule in glory.

    As it is written in Your Torah, “The Eternal will rule forever.” (Exodus 15:18)

    And it has been said, “The Eternal will become King over the entire earth. On that day, the Eternal shall be One and His Name shall be One.” (Zechariah 14:9)

    https://www.bc.edu/content/dam/files/research_sites/cjl/texts/cjrelations/resources/sourcebook/Aleynu.htm

  139. Mr. Anon says:

    It’s almost as if those guys in Charlottesville chanting “You will not replace us!” were on to something.

  140. Anonymous[402] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Bowers and his ilk are actually advocating genocide.

    Bowers “and his ilk” aren’t advocating genocide.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  141. Flip says:
    @Big Cheef

    They will take the House and claim victory. This is probably the best scenario for Trump’s re-election campaign. He then has a scapegoat for most negative stories. In any event, he already got what he was going to get from a Republican Congress this term. Slimmer Republican majorities aren’t going to deliver more funding for the wall or anything bolder.

    Eh, I’d just as soon not have to go through a political impeachment where the Senate would never convict.

  142. @Kemp

    Kemp is up by 1.6% in the RCP average, and most polling has a 2-4 point bias in favor of Democrats. Kemp is going to win by 3-5%, even after voter fraud by the Democrats.

    Sorry, Goldberg, this one won’t even be close.

    You’re crowing about Kemp eking out a narrow victory in Georgia? A state Trump won by 5 points. Over an unpleasant looking, fat black woman, AA “public service” parasite, who–judged by her personal finances–is an incompetent? You’re crowing about that?

    Mid-terms and all this should be a relatively good year for Republicans. The economy has noticeably picked up. And the Democrats have gone batshit crazy yapping about Russia and swooning over illegals and ramping up and brining into the open their anti-white “we will replace you” rhetoric. This ought to be good times.

    And the US Senate cycle brings up a heavily Democratic (2012 victors) cohort. The Republicans ought to be grabbing up seats in “red” states–ND, MO, MT, IN, WV, grabbing up a few in swing states–FL, OH–and with the Dems anti-white stuff, be in play even in NH, NJ, PA, MI, WI, MN.

    Instead, they look set in North Dakota. And will probably pick up a couple toss ups. But haven’t even nailed down their own seats in NV and AZ!

    This is what you get when you are daintily unwilling to call out the Democrats anti-white-gentile hatred and genocidal agenda. Make white voters confront that their future, their children and descendants future is being destroyed by this orgasm of racial and ethnic hatred for the people who built this great country … and there is still time. Otherwise?… we’re the frog. Not, Pepe, but the one in the boiling pot.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  143. @Tyrion 2

    Goldberg isn’t advocating genocide of white people.

    This is true. But she is advocating the importation of non-Whites for the purpose of creating a voting bloc that will overwhelm Whites. In essence, she is advocating a policy that will leave me and my people being ruled by another people – many of whom are quite hostile to Whites.

    That does not quite reach the level of enslavement, but it is subjugation. Jews worked very hard to avoid just this situation by creating their own homeland, yet many elite Jews wish to impose it upon gentile Whites in their homelands.

    Bowers was a nut case. But history has shown that migration and subjugation usually leads to massive violence, the kind of violence that makes the Pittsburgh shooting an everyday occurrence. You know that. Goldberg knows that. Moshe knows that.

    But elite Jews – far more than any other group proportionally – continue to push for these policies, and then chastize gentile Whites as violent racists or anti-Semites for wanting exactly what Jews have and what Jews fight for every day.

    Is Goldberg advocating genocide of White people? No. Is Goldberg advocating for policies that could lead to the subjugation of my people and a much higher chance of racial/ethnic violence, even to the level of genocide? You bet.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  144. Flip says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Asians vote Democrat more than Republican.

  145. Flip says:
    @ThreeCranes

    That’s why the US eventually breaks up into more racially homogenous countries. Lots of counties out there are over 90% white.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  146. Mr. Anon says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Wasn’t Brett Kavanaugh much in debt until quite recently? He’s a big spender on sports season tickets.

    https://www.gq.com/story/scotus-kavanaugh-credit-card-debt

    Carrying some debt isn’t necessarily irresponsible. Carrying a lot of debt on a credit card is pretty irresponsible. Carrying debt to feed a sportsball habit is pretty stupid. And then there is the question of how he was suddenly able to pay it off.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Barnard
  147. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anonymous

    His GAB was full of calls to genocide.

    http://imgur.com/a/LHVbZOi

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  148. Flip says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    and a white atheist guy descended from the Pilgrims (the last one is me).

    You have to go back.

    I bet East Anglia is nice.

  149. anon[133] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mitchell Porter

    I just meant his voice and such. He’s so soft and humourless, he’s like a robot made of velvet

  150. @Wilkey

    Am I a member of the Alt Right or a white nationalist simply by virtue of reading people like Sailer? If so then Alt Right can’t be remotely close to as bad as they’re portraying it. I have no objection to interracial marriage, I believe in respecting and celebrating other cultures, and I believe in allowing *some* immigration. I think the current levels of 1.1 million per year is insanely high, but that’s just an argument over a number. Even 300,000 immigrants per year would be an enormous number, a return to a level of immigration we had just a few decades ago, and most of them would still come from non-white countries. I *do* think it’s important for reasons of political stability for whites to maintain a comfortable majority, and I do think it important to keep out cultures which have failed to shown an ability to assimilate to American values, which mostly just means Muslims. And of course I oppose racial quotas/affirmative action. And I think all those views are pretty much the norm for the majority of people who regularly read these sites.

    Well, I think to some extent the epithet “white nationalist” is a stand-in for “heretic,” like former stand-ins such as “racist.” They incrementally change the meaning of the word from its common meaning to something which encompasses mainstream opinions with which they disagree and with which they do not want to engage. “White nationalist” is probably a stopover point, and the intent is to encompass all nationalists and nationalist policies within the moniker, and then drop the “white” predicate at some point so that “nationalist” always implies or denotes “white nationalist.”

    Your positions are simply long-standing, mainstream positions regarding the national interest. They were commonly held by elected Democrats at least into the late 1990s. But they’re now deemed heretical to the messianic event they’re all invested in – viz, the Browning of America and the Great Racial Revenge.

  151. Flip says:

    Sanders wants to turn America in a Scandinavian style socialist country and realizes you can’t do that it you are inundated with poor people from the rest of the world.

    • Replies: @Forbes
  152. fnn says:
    @Cagey Beast

    The other day Bret Stephens wrote that attacks on “globalists,” “banks,” and “media” are inherently anti-Semitic.

    Here's why, Senator: Trump routinely defames "globalists" and "international banks" and "corrupt media," all of which anti-Semites associate with Jews. Responsible rhetoric begins by not demonizing entire categories of people, or giving deranged people mental ammunition. https://t.co/TXgwVuUVmP— Bret Stephens (@BretStephensNYT) October 28, 2018

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    , @Forbes
    , @Bubba
  153. Mr. Anon says:
    @PhysicistDave

    Indeed. The ruling elite is overwhelmingly white. And, for those who are obsessed with Jewish people, no, the top ranks of the elite are not predominantly Jewish: Hillary, Biden, Bill Gates, Pelosi… one could go on and on without mentioning a Jewish person (yes, I know: some are Jewish… and some are Italian and some are Anglos and some are Irish and some are…).

    ………..Lieberman, Brin, Schumer…… one could go on and on…….

    You mentioned four people. I was able to instantly match three of the four with names of comparable stature. If you were to fill out the list by enumerating the implied etc., I could do likewise without much trouble.

    You’re a smart guy, but this particular contention of yours is obviously wrong.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  154. @Barnard

    One clue that our high officials don’t really make the decisions is how many incompetents and losers the powerful and elite help put in office. Powerful people with a lot to lose don’t hire dummies to make executive decisions, but they do hire obedient servants to carry out their orders.

    Obviously high elected office doesn’t really require any brains or good judgement if you’re tied to people who will do your thinking for you and tell you who to put on your team.

    Somebody wants Stacey Abrams in office. She didn’t get this far on her own. The same could be said for uncountable others, all the way up to Barack Obama.

    Perhaps one reason there is so much scheming against Donald Trump is because even though he made some of his own deals with devils, nobody with real power feels like he can be controlled or that his actions can be predicted.

    • Agree: Ron Unz
  155. @Frank G

    And the greatest White supremacists are the people who choose migrate to White countries. The second greatest White supremacists are the people who think their country is strong enough to take all those migrants in.

  156. @Steve Sailer

    Makes ya wonder. Kavanaugh was a Bush lackey, wasn’t he? A lot of the support for him as he moved up came from power elites for whom he worked, didn’t it? Do all Supreme Court justices get there that way? Honestly I don’t know, because I have blind spots of naïveté like most Americans.

    I’m just glad a conservative of some sort got in who might not legislate from the bench. As for what his judgements regarding big business, cheap labor, monopolies, neoconservative interests and other things might be in the future… I don’t know.

  157. Anon[324] • Disclaimer says:

    “If you look at California, whites are doing okay at holding on to high office.”

    Once the republican party boogeyman is destroyed in the rest of the country via mass immigration, will that continue to be the case? Besides, is it not fair to characterize some of these people as white in name only? Literally. We’re supposed to celebrate office holders now merely because they are of the same race as us? Not all of us look forward to elections that are in name only.

  158. CCZ says:

    Our Constitution will replace us, according to the Washington Post.

    The Washington Post, “Trump eyeing executive order to end birthright citizenship, a move most legal experts say runs afoul of the Constitution.”

  159. AndrewR says:

    I’d love to type what I really think but cuck Steve would whim it. Suffice to say that I wouldn’t piss on this female were she on fire.

  160. Anon[204] • Disclaimer says:

    Arrogance

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Oswald Spengler
  161. gregor says:
    @IHTG

    Hell to the yes.

    I appreciate the gesture even if it will face a tough legal challenge. This is a bit like a mirror image of Obama’s DACA order.

    There was an 1898 case, US v Wong Kim Ark, where the court ruled that a man born to Chinese parents in San Francisco did have citizenship. But I think you could argue for a distinction between between lawful residents and tourists and illegal aliens without even challenging that precedent.

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @fnn
    , @Anonymous
  162. @Tyrion 2

    When one reads sh*t like that GAB example, it is obvious that it came out of a moron.

    He and others like him would never be able to persuade anybody. He got his ideas from others who evidently can persuade morons. What this shows is that however much effect comes from the initial sources, it stops after one iteration. There cannot be exponential growth.

    Furthermore, since the thoughts of morons like that are so easily molded, free speech will simultaneously allow better ideas to compete for the small spaces inside moron minds.

    Freedom of speech should never be sacrificed for anything, and certainly not for something so weak.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  163. Nathan says:
    @ThreeCranes

    You are correct, but I think you neglect the left’s innate hypocrisy. It’s systemic racism when it doesn’t benefit them, meritocracy when it does. Free speech when it’s for the left, hate speech when it isn’t. The examples are numerous.

    One of the things that distinguishes the old Conservatism from the new right is that the new right has learned that for the left, it’s always a question of who/whom? You can still read conservative types at instapundit or other mainstream conservative websites that write about how “the left won’t like the new rules.” But the left WILL like the new rules. The new rules are the whole point.

  164. L Woods says:
    @Flip

    How does it work in almost every other country in the world, where they practice jus sanguinis?

    • Replies: @Flip
  165. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I agree that freedom of speech should not be sacrificed and I agree that people like him won’t have a serious political movement but they will murder innocents and damn nationalism by association.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  166. Anon7 says:

    This shows how Lefties unconsciously believe their own rhetoric and stance, which I call Strict Constrictionism. Here’s how it works:

    Their argument is like a boa constrictor or python. They start by asking the Right

    “Well, you denounce Nazis, don’t you? I mean come on, Nazis? They tried to kill everyone who wasn’t a white Aryan, right?”

    And the Right admits that Nazis are bad, and no they don’t support them.

    Then the Left squeezes a bit tighter, and says

    “OK, so you denounce white supremacists, don’t you? I mean, come on, people who think that whites are the only real human beings?”

    And the Right says, no we don’t support White supremacy.

    And the Left squeezes a bit tighter, and says

    “White Nationalists are the worst sort of bigots. They want to reserve the USA for themselves alone. They’re only in favor of white people. You don’t support them, do you?”

    And the Right caves on that one.

    And the Left squeezes a bit tighter, and says

    “Well, it’s not enough to just say you’re against these horrible people, you need to actively support multiculturalism and open borders, right?

    Strict Constrictionists. They’re sneaky. And if you feel like you can’t breathe, this is why.

  167. Hans says:

    The International Financing of Engineered Migration – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2_-21bdGe4

  168. @Mr. Anon

    And then there is the question of how he was suddenly able to pay it off.

    Perhaps Kavanaugh’s last surviving parent died and he inherited some money? Or perhaps his elderly parents bailed him out of a hole. But baseball season tickets are a notorious burden due to 81 home games per year. I can remember after the White Sox division championship in 1983, winning 99 and losing 63, my boss Jodi’s husband bought 4 Chicago White Sox season tickets. But then they went 74-88 in 1984 and suddenly nobody wanted to go. I can remember going to 4 or 5 games that year to help him out, but 81 X 4=324 tickets is a huge number of tickets to take on. Supreme Court justices should know better than to buy season tickets and then Bryce Harper has one of his usual bad seasons.

  169. Lot says:
    @Steve Sailer

    San Diego County is 46% non hispanic white, 33% hispanic, 11% Asian, 4% black. This is what the county supervisors looks like:

    https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/general/bos.html

  170. Flip says:
    @L Woods

    It must be that whatever government entity registers birth certificates would have to validate the parents’ status at the same time.

  171. L Woods says:
    @27 year old

    The judiciary will thwart him at every turn of course, and President Kamala will undo the order on day 1. Still, important that it’s entered the conversation, as you say.

    • Replies: @Lowe
  172. Lot says:
    @Steve Sailer

    These people complaining that Kav had 60k of credit card debt seem like they never heard of 0% for 18 month card promos that also pay cash back or miles.

    If you are responsible and organized, you can pay off mortgages or invest in bonds that pay 5% using these promos, and just keep rolling them over. It has been like this for 15+ years, but if the gravy train ends, just get a HELOC if you don’t have ready cash.

  173. @Lucas McCrudy

    That would be nice, no doubt. He should have done that in January of 2017 frankly.

  174. @Tyrion 2

    What are we to do about it?

    In business and life, there is the concept of ‘the cost of doing business.’ There will be some losses. In this case, those losses are very, very sad; mostly elderly friends and neighbors who never hurt anybody and probably did a lot of good in their lives.

    Just as we cannot allow every sad case to cross our borders into our country without losing our country, we unfortunately cannot prevent every tragedy from happening. Random innocent people get killed in all kinds of places by deranged or evil people. It is part of life.

    The white goyim of America are the best friends Jewish people ever had. I really believe that. We should never, ever be silenced. On the contrary, whatever it is about us that has made our homeland a safe haven should be respected, protected and preserved.

    Free speech is one of those things that we must preserve. What this means is not just that we must preserve the First Amendment, but also that we must prevent monopolistic powers from ruining the lives of people who express views not approved by those very monopolies.

    The time is already late for the government that supposedly comprises us, supposedly represents us, and supposedly serves us to apply anti-trust, anti-monopoly laws toward the breakup and reduction of power of the tech monopolies and media oligopolies that now police our thoughts.

  175. Jason Liu says:

    if it makes you ppl feel better Jews have a low birth rate and high outmarriage rate so they’ll be one of the first “white” groups to be replaced

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Colin Wright
  176. JLK says:

    A article briefly appeared a few weeks ago in a rival New York newspaper about a labor dispute at the Times, supposedly at the Metro desk. The employees called the Times‘ position a “totally manufactured narrative.”

    Interesting choice of words, applied to the flagship of the American press. I was of course intrigued, but nothing further leaked out.

    It’s a good bet the everything in the Times is written and/or edited with a deeper agenda in mind. Any bright young aspiring journalist who enters the profession out of idealism is no doubt quickly disillusioned. There is zero investigative reporting that attacks powerful commercial or political interests at The Times or anywhere else.

    As far as Michelle Goldberg is concerned, perhaps she was careless lumping all white males together with a small subset that wants to bring back segregated lunch counters and lynching parties. Not unlike many of the posters here who think the Jewish dentist next door and the local deli owner gets distribution checks from the Rothschilds.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @notanon
  177. Lot says:
    @IHTG

    President Trump birthright citizenship Executive Order?

    CONSTITUTIONAL!

    • Agree: MEH 0910
  178. @Buzz Mohawk

    Makes ya wonder. Kavanaugh was a Bush lackey, wasn’t he? A lot of the support for him as he moved up came from power elites for whom he worked, didn’t it? Do all Supreme Court justices get there that way? Honestly I don’t know, because I have blind spots of naïveté like most Americans.

    There aren’t many ways to get on the radar for a political appointment other than getting involved in politics. There’s not some big leatherbound book somewhere with a list of lawyers who would objectively make great judges.

    What you will find is that the vast majority of Federal Court Judges were politically active in one way or another with one of their home state U.S. Senators. The tradition has generally but not exclusively been one of Senators lobbying the President of the same party to appoint a candidate that they’re friendly with to the Federal bench.

    Of course, Kavanaugh’s home State was Maryland, which I don’t think has had a Republican United States Senator since the 1980s. Any young lawyer would have taken a position with the Special Counsel’s office, and I think it was from there that he landed the SCOTUS Clerkship, followed by service in the W White House. You’d have to think his preexisting political connections got him into the White House, and then the Bush connections got him to the top of the DC Circuit short list with a view towards future SCOTUS consideration. It’s perhaps more accurate to say that there was a mutual advantage gained there.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  179. @Steve Sailer

    But baseball season tickets are a notorious burden due to 81 home games per year.

    I’m not sure if Kav had Nats or O’s season tickets, but both teams (and I’d guess most other MLB clubs) have various combinations of season tickets that don’t include tickets to all 81 home games. There are versions where you get 20 games, or X number of games to every division opponent plus tickets to some of the more in demand visiting teams (Red Sox, Cubs, Dodgers, Cardinals), etc.

  180. @Steve Sailer

    Perhaps Kavanaugh’s last surviving parent died and he inherited some money? Or perhaps his elderly parents bailed him out of a hole. But baseball season tickets are a notorious burden due to 81 home games per year. I can remember after the White Sox division championship in 1983, winning 99 and losing 63, my boss Jodi’s husband bought 4 Chicago White Sox season tickets. But then they went 74-88 in 1984 and suddenly nobody wanted to go. I can remember going to 4 or 5 games that year to help him out, but 81 X 4=324 tickets is a huge number of tickets to take on. Supreme Court justices should know better than to buy season tickets and then Bryce Harper has one of his usual bad seasons.

    If I recall the answer given when this was first raised was that Kav charged the tickets to his credit card for the points or whatever, and collected cash from his buddies to pay for all but his portion of the tickets.

    My surmise would be that the other three ticket buyers may have been some buddies who are whiteshoe DC lawyer big shots whom you wouldn’t worry about being short of cash when the credit card bill rolls in next month.

    That’s sort of consonant with his organizational and party planning skills from high school, where his Prep school buddies left him to make the plans and collect the cash for Beach Week etc. Some people are just made that way and offer their time to organize social events.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  181. @Federalist

    I agree. The situation in California is transitional, not a permanent state of affairs. Well-off gentile Whites and Jews will hold on to power for some time, but, eventually, Asians, Indians, Muslims and, to a degree, Hispanics will start to push them out.

    What’s more, they will be openly tribal, overtly demanding a “fair” slice of the pie for their group. (That may not be true of Asians, but we’ll see.) The Left made a big mistake allowing Asians, Indians and Muslims to immigrate in large numbers. They should have stuck with Mexicans and Central Americans. I could see lefty gentile Whites and Jews running that show forever, but Asians, Indians and Muslims are a different story.

  182. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anon

    “Start your own internet”

    That could have been said to a lot of people:

    Start your own university.

    Start your own countryclub.

    • Replies: @anon
  183. notanon says:
    @eah

    “We’re ruled by monsters” Michelle Goldberg

    yes, we’ve been ruled by the media for 60 years

  184. FLgeezer says:
    @CrunchybutRealistCon

    >Brace for hot spittle!

    And much of it bearing AIDS.

  185. @The Anti-Gnostic

    I agree. As I replied someplace else, the situation in California is transition, not permanent. Sooner or later, California and the rest of the country will resemble the 3rd world with all of its problems. It’ll just take awhile, and rich people won’t notice the change for a generation or two.

  186. notanon says:
    @Altai

    also the vacillating between “hate speech is bad” and “die whitey, die!!”

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  187. @Lot

    The political class must know of such examples and it must comfort them. They can keep pushing on the accelerator knowing they and their entourage are going to be fine.

  188. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jason Liu

    No they won’t. Neither of the things you mentioned matter. Jared Kushner (for example) outmarried.

  189. @The Anti-Gnostic

    ‘The lights still work, the cities function, help is cheap and there’s a myriad of ethnic restaurants to choose from.

    It works great, until you and your family are murdered in your own luxurious home.’

    The relevant line here comes from an old joke.

    A man jumped off a thirty story building. As he passed the windows on the second floor, he was heard to say, ‘well, everything’s okay so far.’

  190. Mr. Anon says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Perhaps Kavanaugh’s last surviving parent died and he inherited some money?

    Or perhaps he has a friend like Tony Rezko.

    I wonder how a parent would feel, knowing that the legacy they intended to pass on to their child was going to be used to pay off a credit card debt incurred to buy baseball tickets.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  191. @Jason Liu

    ‘if it makes you ppl feel better Jews have a low birth rate and high outmarriage rate so they’ll be one of the first “white” groups to be replaced’

    That’s just it. It doesn’t make me feel better.

    That these Jews are destroying their own community as well does absolutely nothing for me.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
  192. @PhysicistDave

    Your neighborhood sounds like exactly the sort of upper-middle-clasd outlier that cloud people think of as an endorsement of multi-culturalism. Those of us with more experience of mote common vibrant urban neighborhoods grit our teeth when we hear people extolling these multi-culturalism theme parks.

    They can only exist and thrive in the context of an overwhelmingly Western White society to support them.

  193. @fnn

    We cannot criticise the ruling class because doing so would be anti-Semitic? Hmmmm…

    The Greek name for a society ruled by its sacred victims would be something like: “a pharmakocracy”*. The reason the word doesn’t exist is that no such thing has ever worked, anywhere. Bret Stephens and his chums are apparently giving it a try nevertheless.

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmakos

  194. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Mr. Anon

    I think having a Supreme Court Justice for a son would provide more than enough succour. Their two grandchildren even more so.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  195. Mr. Anon says:
    @JLK

    Not unlike many of the posters here who think the Jewish dentist next door and the local deli owner gets distribution checks from the Rothschilds.

    Nobody here thinks that. Probably nobody anywhere thinks that.

    Oh, and – hey – say hello to the Tin Man and the Cowardly Lion for me.

    • LOL: Rosie
  196. Ron Unz says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    You predicted it, but how do you feel about it?

    Mixed feelings. I’ll admit I do feel some satisfaction of the “I Told You So!” variety.

    On the other hand, that black woman running a close race seems absolutely dreadful, owing huge amounts of back taxes and having all sorts of ridiculous and obnoxious views, like an ISIS/Maoist promise to destroy that huge national monument honoring leading Confederates.

    Then again, that Kemp guy running against her seems like an idiot as well, at least based upon what I’ve read of some of his TV commercials.

    My main conclusion is that I’m very glad I live here in California rather than in Georgia. Admittedly, the ultra-liberal legislature just outlawed plastic straws for environment reasons, but in most other regards it’s a pretty sane state these days.

  197. notanon says:
    @unpc downunder

    Ironically white nationalism is virtually non-existent.

    Michelle Goldberg, “hold my beer”

  198. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    One of my wife’s friends is married to a Federal Court of Appeals judge (Jewish, BTW) who was nominated by Clinton. I’ve met the couple, and they seem like ordinary local people. Whatever political connections they might have are invisible to me, but that’s not saying much.

    Thank you for your informative reply.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
  199. fnn says:
    @gregor

    US didn’t even require passports for entry when Wong as born in 1873. There was no federal immigration system at until 1891. Presumably, enforcement of the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 was carried out by the States initially.

  200. gregor says:

    “Right now America is tearing itself apart as an embittered white conservative minority clings to power”

    She’s projecting. It’s really media types like Goldberg who are frantically clinging to their undeserved and unpopular control over the majority.

  201. @Steve Sailer

    If you look at California, whites are doing okay at holding on to high office. A San Francisco white guy is likely to move up to governor, the current mayor of LA claims to be a little bit Mexican but he looks like the dad on “Modern Family,” Senator Feinstein is ahead in her race, despite being a million years old, etc.

    Which “Whites” are doing OK at holding on to high office in California?

    There are Globalizer Whites and Patriotic Whites and the Whites without a clue.

    Patriotic Whites stand not a chance of winning statewide races in California.

    We are about 2 or 3 percent on the federal funds rate from a financial implosion and Civil War II, and somebody is saying politician Whites running in statewide elections are doing OK in California?

    California will be de-populated of its current residents and re-populated with Patriotic Whites when the time comes.

    California and New York and Virginia and many other states will be fought over when Civil War II breaks out.

  202. notanon says:
    @Bleuteaux

    yes – they keep talking about Trump radicalizing people but if you’ve followed what’s been happening with normie MAGA people it’s the media doing the radicalizing.

    on the other hand there is a point to it – if you accept that guilt-trippable white suburban soccer moms are the key demographic they may have calculated that guilt-bullying suburban soccer moms into line is worth the cost of radicalizing the white blue collar voters.

    (given that they only need to keep the soccer moms in line for a few more years before they can throw them under the bus)

  203. @ThreeCranes

    Thanks … I forgot that 11% of the white folks ID as hispanic.

  204. anonymous[401] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Asians voted Republic historically, but have voted Democratic since Obama.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
  205. @Flip

    So, does that mean the US will do a replay of India/Pakistan and that will later be followed by a replay of Pakistan/Bengladesh?

    • Replies: @Flip
  206. @Ron Unz

    Have you downloaded and installed the CrapApp?

  207. Forbes says:
    @anonymous

    LOL. “I no longer vote–but let me tell you my vote were I a US Senator.” Hahahaha.
    That’s a good one…

  208. notanon says:
    @JLK

    Not unlike many of the posters here who think the Jewish dentist next door and the local deli owner gets distribution checks from the Rothschilds.

    the way nepotism works in places like Iraq is familial.

    sunnis think shia discriminate against them (and they do) and shia think sunnis discriminate against them (and they do) but the actual mechanism is familial – both discriminate in favor of their relatives (who happen to either be all sunni or all shia)

    i expect media nepotism works the same way.

  209. Forbes says:
    @eah

    It’s not being “ruled by” that bothers Goldberg–it’s the wrong monsters are doing it…

  210. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Ron Unz

    California’s Income Inequality Now Worse Than Mexico’s; Poverty Level Highest In America

    https://nationaleconomicseditorial.com/2018/01/17/californian-income-inequality-tops-mexico/

    I guess, at least, it is cheap to get someone to mow your lawn.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
  211. God bless Ron Unz and Steve Sailer, but their baby boomer cheery confidence in California will be smashed when the next phase of the global financial implosion hits.

    California will be hit hard because this next phase of the global financial implosion will last a long time, and the military will most likely take complete control of all technology companies in California for national security purposes. California is highly reliant on plutocrats and certain corporations to pay for government at the local, county and state level. If the plutocrats and certain corporations were wiped out, California would go bust.

    Placid White enclaves in California will not remain so when the manure hits the fan blade.

    Patriotic Whites in the rest of the United States will demand that plutocrats in California be wiped out. This means the pissants on the Russian River who are 3rd or 4th generation California plutocrats and the new plutocrats as well.

    California real estate might switch ownership in a manner similar to the Saxons losing control of England to the Normans.

    Young White Core Americans are watching the complacent greed of the baby boomers in California and they will be heard from.

    Peasant’s Lament:

    If you baby boomers think the economy is doing so good, then why don’t you call for the federal funds rate to go to the normal level of 6 percent?

    The answer is that many baby boomers understand that they will be financially wiped out if the federal funds rate goes to the normal level of 6 percent.

  212. Barnard says:
    @Mr. Anon

    That is a big range on Kavanaugh’s debts. If it was closer to $60k his wife’s income could have helped clear it up quickly. According to her Wikipedia page, she started a job as the town manager of Chevy Chase Section Five and is able to do most of the work from home. Her salary is listed at $66,000 a year. Drop the Nationals tickets and you can pay down a lot of debt quickly.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Estes_Kavanaugh

  213. @Tyrion 2

    Smug Baby Boomer California Complacency Gets On My Nerves

    The Globalizer Whites in California must be financially wiped out!

    You never hear these smug bastard California baby boomer scoundrels talk about what their actions will mean for future generations.

    Raise the federal funds rate to 20 percent and financially wipe the White California baby boomers out!

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
  214. notanon says:
    @Federalist

    For now, the white fossils are still mostly in control of the party. But as they die off, won’t they be replaced with POC’s?

    there’s a time lag but eventually yes – especially in the areas where the new majority is relatively recent as it takes time to get their electoral act together.

    iirc some time ago i read Compton (?) still had black local politicians even though it had become majority hispanic.

    the big exception to this is Muslims cos bloc voting – one of the advantages of a clan based marriage system

    Maybe people with names like Goldberg should worry about their own replacement.

    i think they’ll probably be able to handle most groups but south Asians generally (cos not dumb and equally clannish) and especially Muslims will be their downfall.

  215. Forbes says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Net/net it is hard to argue that immigration has actually hurt the Republicans.

    Some/many of us prefer the American culture to remain intact, for the country not to become more crowded other than by organic growth that varies over time, and that the amount of immigration be limited–limited to those who are self-sufficient, not a potential social welfare burden, and fully intent on assimilating to American culture and way of life.

    Immigration, such as it is legal and illegal, puts downward pressure on domestic wages of both the skilled (via H1-b visa) and unskilled (via illegal aliens) variety, a burden borne by the existing population, for the benefit of business enterprises of all sizes whose owners reap the gains.

    To assume or proclaim or speculate the manner in which foreign immigrants would vote in the future is entirely immaterial. To do so reeks of invidious racial ethnic stereotyping.

  216. @Joe862

    The problem is that dysfunctional and parasitic people aren’t happy living amongst themselves. Why else would anyone be worried about there being single race, religion, whatever countries on earth? They need to be a minority amongst more functional, productive people.

    Exactly right.

  217. Forbes says:
    @Alec Leamas

    Jeez, you could look up Goldberg’s skirt to see the red diaper…

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
  218. Forbes says:
    @bomag

    I had an hour long program from National Propaganda Radio (NPR)

    FIFY.

  219. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    This is a point that I’ve tried to make several times. For your typical NYT reading leftist – Jew and gentile – the destruction of bad whites will make the country look like California. They’re fine with that.

    High-income liberals can buy their way out of the masses and live just fine.

    For a generation or two. But each generation, the tax burden will go up, and the income will go down with the result that the situation of their white lineage will regress quickly. Not to mention the quickly expanding likelihood of intermarriage by their descendants. No, the destruction of “bad whites” is ineluctably connected to the destruction of “good whites”. “Good whites” absolutely cannot survive without “bad whites”. No way in hell.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Kevin C.
  220. @istevefan

    Good point. After all it was never about replacing white nationalists since that term has not been long in common usage.

    The primary features of a white nationalist are that he (1) notices his people are being exploited while being replaced and (2) objects to it. Replacing “whites” and replacing “white nationalists” are precisely the same thing.

  221. Forbes says:
    @Flip

    Children take on the citizenship of their parents, irrespective of where they’re born…it’s quite the same as children born to US citizens abroad. They take the citizenship of their parents, not that of the country of their birth. It’s the way citizenship works in most of the world.

    Birth tourism, anchor babies, and illegal immigrants giving birth in the US for the purpose of citizenship is obviously a torturing of the 14th amendment, if not a fraud. The children of diplomats (temporary residents) born in the US do not become US citizens–why should other transients (not permanent resident visa holders) giving birth be granted citizenship to the new born?

    • Agree: bomag
  222. Tyrion 2 says:
    @silviosilver

    She is advocating the replacement of white nationalists. Or rather, she isn’t even doing that, she is trolling, as replacement includes deletion and cannot just be dilution.

  223. @Ron Unz

    but in most other regards it’s a pretty sane state these days.

    How’s your magic high-speed choo-choo coming along?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  224. notanon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    legal definition of genocide (paraphrased)

    inflicting conditions of life intended to destroy a racial or national group.

    we don’t need to debate it – we just state the definition and let people attack it until eventually they get bored and say we deserve it.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Anonymous
  225. @anonymous

    Asians voted Republic historically, but have voted Democratic since Obama.

    What the heck is the time frame for the use of the word historically?

    Asian voters have only been of any significance in the last few decades.

    Old stocker Americans might have old cars and boots that have been around longer than have been Asian voters as a significant bloc in USA politics.

    Trump’s Asian outreach plots have been part of the problem in why Trumpy won’t call for an immigration moratorium.

    White Core Americans(WCA) who are set to take over the GOP want the votes of White Democrats, not Asian votes.

    White government workers who vote Democrat to keep their jobs will have to be fired when the WCA comes to power.

    What to do with White government workers is a big issue. Fire them all and take away their pensions and benefits is a start.

    Random thoughts of some consequence above.

    • Replies: @S. Verdad
  226. Rosie says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Is Goldberg advocating genocide of White people? No. Is Goldberg advocating for policies that could lead to the subjugation of my people and a much higher chance of racial/ethnic violence, even to the level of genocide? You bet.

    I don’t know about that. It’s not just immigration. It’s also forced integration that is the problem. Jews know perfectly well that a minority thais allowed it’s own institutions identity will not survive.

  227. Rosie says:
    @Tyrion 2

    She is advocating the replacement of white nationalists. Or rather, she isn’t even doing that, she is trolling, as replacement includes deletion and cannot just be dilution.

    The trouble is that ethnic groups revolve around their most ethnocentric members. It is the ethnocentric core that exerts a gravitational pull on the rest of the group and keeps it together.
    If you destroy the core. You destroy the group.

    How about I say. Most Jews are fine, but the community activist Jews that run the synagogues, send their children to Jewish schools, etc. have to go. Don’t tell me you’d be fooled for a minute. We aren’t either.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  228. Flip says:
    @The Alarmist

    I don’t know how it plays out, but middle class white people are abandoning California in droves for places like Idaho and Utah.

  229. Michelle Goldberg has been driven into full-bore anti-White Bolshevism by the Pittsburgh attack.

    I was driven to write this about the Pittsburgh attack:

    The attack in Pittsburgh should bring about a much needed discussion of the role of certain Jews in pushing nation-wrecking mass immigration in European Christian nations.

    There should be nationally televised debates in which Jews can push for more mass immigration and multicultural mayhem and White Core Americans can put forward the proposal that an immigration moratorium and a mass deportation of all illegal alien invaders will be highly beneficial to the United States of America.

    It is well known that high percentages of Jews push nation-wrecking mass immigration. We know that.

    Many Jews push nation-wrecking mass immigration even though mass immigration is highly destructive to European Christian nations.

    Leading Jew politicians should be on television nightly for months or years on end pushing for more mass immigration. Let Americans of European Christian ancestry hear the arguments and ideas of the Jews who push mass immigration. But we must also have White Core American leaders on national television making the case that the Jews who push mass immigration are wrong to do so.

    MORE DEBATE

    MORE FREE SPEECH

    AIR OUT THE ISSUE OF MASS IMMIGRATION

    Mass immigration lowers wages, increases housing costs, increases income inequality, swamps schools, overwhelms hospitals, harms the environment, increases urban sprawl, destroys habitat for wildlife and destroys cultural cohesion in the United States.

    Mass immigration brings crime, infectious diseases, multicultural mayhem and Islamic terrorism to the United States.

  230. Rosie says:
    @notanon

    we don’t need to debate it – we just state the definition and let people attack it until eventually they get bored and say we deserve it.

    Truth. The White genocide allegation is a no-lose for Whites. It’s bad optics to rely on technicalities in an attempt to persuade a group to acquiesce in its own destruction.

    “Well, yes, we know there won’t be any more White people left as a result of our actions, but it doesn’t quite meet the definition of genocide, so there!”

    It doesn’t go over very well.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  231. notanon says:
    @Sergeant Prepper

    Barbara Lefebvre believes that the situation in France is now so bad that the “tipping point is close, everyone can feel it coming”.

  232. Ron Unz says:
    @William Badwhite

    How’s your magic high-speed choo-choo coming along?

    Ha, ha… My impression is that just about everyone in the Legislature, liberal and conservative, Democrat and Republican, knows it’s a ridiculous waste of money that will never be close to being completed. But the budget is strong right now, and Brown is a very popular outgoing governor cashing in his political chits for a “legacy.”

    Then again, I don’t think any other state has built a high-speed rail line either, so CA isn’t that much more of a failure than all the others, though admittedly we’ll be wasting more money along the way.

    I’d assume the Tech Bubble will burst within the next year or two, CA will end up with horrendous budget deficits, and the rail construction will immediately stop…

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  233. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Rosie

    If you said that the Hassidim and their beliefs should not be influential in the running of any country, I would concur.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  234. @Rosie

    Agreed. It’s not just the subjugation of Whites but a push to not allow Whites the ability to form their own ethnic organizations. Try organizing a European-American branch of your business association no different from similar existing branches for Jews, blacks, Hispanics or Asians and see how that goes.

    Anti-White Jews know that allowing such groups to form is a slippery slope. Once these groups started to form, self-identifying Whites would have a beachhead to forming larger networks and institutions of their own. Next thing you know, they will have created their own society within the larger society, and sooner or later, that leads to calls for more independence.

    Anti-White Jews would much prefer that Whites simply get bred out of existence.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  235. Marty says:

    Yesterday I saw a bumpersticker I’d never seen before. It read:

    “It’s not the people who vote that counts, it’s the people counting the vote.”

  236. @Ron Unz

    I don’t think any other state has built a high-speed rail line either, so CA isn’t that much more of a failure than all the others

    I didn’t mean CA is crazy for not completing the train, but for approving it in the first place. The Badwhites were actually living there (bay area) at the time it passed (we voted against it). The entire concept – soup to nuts – was a liberal fantasy.

    But the budget is strong right now

    The cash in versus cash out this year is “strong”. The overall fiscal situation is a time bomb. As I’m sure you know CA is overly dependent on capital gains taxes as well as incomes taxes paid by a relatively small slice of the populace. If/when times get bad and capital gains dry up or “rich” people come to hard times, the house of cards comes down. Layer in the estimated $1.5 trillion in outstanding debt plus unfunded liabilities (pensions, etc) and its pretty grim.

    California is formerly first world place with a fairly large percentage of its people that still think they live in the first world, but with an increasingly 3rd world population. Those two things don’t go together unfortunately.

  237. @ic1000

    Yep, what we’re seeing here is the slow death of Citizenism and Civic Nationalism. Steve fought the good fight, but he needs to accept that his appeals to elite gentile Whites and Jews to show some noblesse oblige to their fellow American citizens has failed. Elite Gentile Whites are too caught up in virtue signaling while elite Jews never saw those poor non-Jews as part of their group in the first place.

    Steve is fighting the last war. Mocking elites and pointing out their hypocrisies didn’t work in the past, and it won’t work in the future. Things have just gotten worse. Time for a new strategy, Steve.

  238. @Realist

    On the other hand, the rabbi of the synagogue where the shooting happened said Trump is welcome.

    “The president of the United States is always welcome,” Rabbi Jeffrey Myers told CNN. “I’m a citizen. He’s my president. He is certainly welcome.”

    (The Chief Rabbi in Israel said the shooting happened in “a place with a profoundly Jewish flavour”. The Orthodox don’t recognise non-Orthodox places of worship as synagogues)

    • Replies: @3g4me
    , @Realist
  239. Bernie Sanders vs Ezra Klein on immigration

    The old Left against the adolescent Left

    Tweet from 2015:

    • Agree: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  240. Rosie says:
    @Tyrion 2

    If you said that the Hassidim and their beliefs should not be influential in the running of any country, I would concur.

    That’s a poor analogy, but let’s set that aside for a moment.

    There’s no way to ensure that White nationalism remain uninfluential but by ruthlessly suppressing White identity, White political mobilization, and White self-assertion. There is, in short, no way to engineer multiculturalism against the interests of the majority population without violating their political rights.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  241. 3g4me says:
    @The Alarmist

    @56 The Alarmist: “It’s amazing how they’ve convinced the 73% or so white Americans that they are actually a doomed minority long before it is a fait accompli.”

    According to official government statistics, White non-Hispanic Americans, where such definition of White includes Jews, Iranians, various Arabs and other Mohammedans, those South Americans and sub-continentals who like to flatter themselves that they are White – constitute 60.9% of the U.S. population. So, in reality, perhaps 55%.

  242. ATBOTL says:

    What we desperately need now is for respected mainstream figures to step up and state clearly that this kind of rhetoric is dangerous and must stop. Is anyone going to do that? Is anyone in the respectable media going to draw the connection, however subtly?

  243. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    The Jewish Elite Strategy.

    Replace Wasp elites with Jewish elites. Do this by championing white masses against Wasp elites represented by media as hopeless Country Club snobs.

    As the new elites, the next step for Jewish elites is to replace the white masses with POC.

    Replace the head, and then replace the body.

    If replacement is so good, then it’s about time we replaced the Jewish elites with New Elites. I nominate Palestinian-Americans. Change is good.

    If there’s no rule that US must be a white majority nation, there is no rule that US must be a Jewish-elite nation. We need a new elite. People should picket the NYT and demand that Palestinian-American columnists be hired.

    What white people should do is unite with Arabs and Palestinians against Zionists. Whites must join with People of Color against Jewish supremacy.

    • Agree: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @Rosie
  244. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @gregor

    Birthright citizenship was meant to deal with the citizenship of the slaves gaining freedom. It was never meant for birth tourism and illegals to exploit. The founders were pretty clear on establishing the country for themselves and their posterity and thought alien influence was destructive

  245. @Cloudbuster

    I also live in the Bay Area. Vallejo, currently. Two nights ago while I was at the market with my wife and infant daughter, an old filipina woman was robbed at knife point of her purse. As I was getting my daughter out of her car seat I heard the woman scream on the other end of the market parking lot. But at least there were plenty of shitty ethnic restaurants in the strip mall!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  246. @Moshe

    “I hope someone enjoyed any part of what I shared above but if no one did I’m cool with that and wish you happiness and health anyhow.”
    That’s mighty white of you! Shalom.

  247. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Rosie

    Historical records disagree very strongly with your pronouncements. Perhaps you got your historical impressions solely from SJW sources? None of those elements of white action you mentioned were serious social forces, ever.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  248. 3g4me says:
    @Cloudbuster

    @199 Cloudbuster: “Those of us with more experience of mote common vibrant urban neighborhoods grit our teeth when we hear people extolling these multi-culturalism theme parks.”

    Very well put. I’m going to use that – America as a multi-cultural theme park.

  249. njguy73 says:
    @PhysicistDave

    I’m a multicultural kind of guy. On our street, we have a family of Iranian immigrants, an African-American lady, a woman whose parents were immigrants from China, an elderly Southern belle, a Jewish couple from South Africa, a guy who was Army Air Corps during WW II (he was shot down over Axis territory — he managed to make it back to the Allies), an Italian-American couple who own a restaurant, and a white atheist guy descended from the Pilgrims (the last one is me).

    We all get along fine.

    Yes. People, left to their own devices, can along fine. But “members of collectives” cannot.

    Mahmoud, Shaniqua, Amy, Darlene, Isaac & Shirley, Giuseppe & Maria, and you can all get along. But not when you see each other as members of collectives instead of as individual humans.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  250. @Big Cheef

    unfortunately we probably can’t, but its becoming more and more of a possibility that we can.

  251. Bernie is right: open borders is a libertarian wet dream. Cultural Marxists also favor open borders. Another thing the libertarians and cultural Marxists have in common: a disinterest in the rather profitable war on terror. Both movements are based on fragile ideologies.

  252. 3g4me says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    @239 Yet Another Anon: “On the other hand, the rabbi of the synagogue where the shooting happened said Trump is welcome.”

    Wow, that’s might White of him.

  253. @eah

    Michelle Goldberg:

    “We’re ruled by monsters.”

    She’s right, of course, but not in the way she wants us to think.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  254. @Big Cheef

    I’m afraid you’re correct. The Republican house has proven utterly obstructionist.

  255. Rosie says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Historical records disagree very strongly with your pronouncements. Perhaps you got your historical impressions solely from SJW sources? None of those elements of white action you mentioned were serious social forces, ever.

    Free white persons

    White Australia policy.

    Just off the top of my head.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  256. Lowe says:
    @Another Canadian

    No, they would not drop their citizenship like hot potatoes, or at all. Most of these people either wouldn’t owe any taxes, because they are either poor, or children. Or they can easily hide whatever income they have, because they earn it all in China and the IRS has no hooks in Chinese banks.

    Ending birthright citizenship would be an outright triumph for the people of the United States, and enforcing tax laws is no substitute.

    • Replies: @Another Canadian
  257. I guess that’s their new strategy. No more whites means no more white nationalists.

  258. Lowe says:
    @L Woods

    A Democrat president won’t undo anything if the case makes it to SCOTUS, and Kavanugh and crew score one for the American people.

  259. Forbes says:
    @istevefan

    Well, the globalists view people as widgets, an inter-breeding commodity to be exploited for economic gain, having only utilitarian value. Taking note of their superficial identity merely advances the identity politics of all against all, dog eat dog, where the elite rule over everyone else–’cuz they just know better.

  260. MEH 0910 says:

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2018/10/27/stability/

  261. @theMann

    Central Americans with tourist visas. That’s one way to by-pass the Wall.

  262. Anonymous[395] • Disclaimer says:
    @notanon

    Goldberg appears to be describing the replacement of white nationalists with white liberals and various other groups. In other words, the definition you’ve provided doesn’t apply to what Goldberg describes. The white nationalists are not a racial group, anymore than the white communists or white tuba players are.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  263. Forbes says:
    @Steve Sailer

    The deal (credit card debt) on baseball tickets is relatively straight froward. Among middle-aged sports fans, very many like to buy as groups because they want to sit together as groups among family and work friends, and attend multiple games per season. In this way, game attendance conflicts can be worked out by swapping games/seats among the group. Baseball teams also have group and multi-game discount packages available.

    My younger brother does this with NHL hockey tickets. He shares four season tickets with three other guys. They each get two tickets to half the games, so their wives can attend games with them. One of them pays for four season tickets and gets reimbursed by the others in the group.

    Someone has to be the point person to buy the group tickets–Kavanaugh did this for his group of baseball fans.

    In fact, this is the major way I get Yankee tickets as I know a number of people that participate in these group purchases, and often there’s an extra ticket available on short notice.

    It surprises me that so few people are aware of this very common practice. Perhaps the iSteve audience is not into the national pastime.

  264. Forbes says:
    @Flip

    Without Sanders acknowledging Vermont couldn’t be turned socialist–they passed on universal, one-payer health care as too expensive.

  265. Realist says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Yes, Jews are not a monolith.

  266. Hey Michelle Goldberg, how did the Jews fare after the Visigoths sacked Rome? At least in Visigoth dominated Spain, not so well. Was the break up of the Soviet Union along ethnic national lines good for Jews? I don’t know but many of them came here or to Israel. What about the former Yugoslavia or Czechoslovakia? Be careful what you ask for Michelle as your playing with fire.

  267. Forbes says:
    @fnn

    Seems to me Trump has the better argument, as globalists, international banks and corrupt media have a lot to answer for in the 21st century. Lectures on responsible rhetoric coming from the NYT is called chutzpah, using vernacular familiar to Stephens.

  268. @Tyrion 2

    Bowers and his ilk are actually advocating genocide.

    What’s the arrow of causation, though?

    Bowers “and his ilk” would not care one whit about Jews qua Jews but for the fact that so many prominent Jews continue to push for the evil policies he objects to.

  269. Bubba says:
    @Ibound1

    They will certainly call for elimination of the Senate (“RI has as many seats as CA, it’s a crime, blah blah blah)

    Schumer, Feinstein & their fellow Dems calling for elimination of the Senate? No way. They yield way too much power even in the minority to casually give up. The Senate Dems are scheming to change Senate rules and increase their power (like Harry Reid did) when they eventually regain the Senate for severe retribution against deplorables and Republicans.

    …they will call for adding seats to the S.Ct as soon as Democrats take over.

    Yes, you are 100% correct on that.

  270. @Buzz Mohawk

    One of my wife’s friends is married to a Federal Court of Appeals judge (Jewish, BTW) who was nominated by Clinton. I’ve met the couple, and they seem like ordinary local people. Whatever political connections they might have are invisible to me, but that’s not saying much.

    One of the other features of Judicial politicking is that once they’re on the bench, Judges sort of become political neuters by the usual outward appearances – this is compelled by the canons of judicial ethics and other federal and state laws. Sometimes they can skirt around that through a spouse but their ability to self-promote is highly circumscribed.

  271. @ic1000

    Is not American ‘citizenism’ racist at its core? Citizenists may not be advocating policy against anyone already a citizen, but essential racial/ethnic and subsequent cultural and political concerns drive citizenist restrictive immigration stances. Secondary immigration concerns touch on issues like population levels agnostic of race, etc, but those are far down the list of hot topics on this blog.

  272. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    but the upside – punishing bad Whites and blocking any chance of the Jewish Holocaust 2.0

    Or maybe accidentally(?) setting off a civil war.

  273. Lowe says:
    @Ragno

    We aren’t anywhere near leftist violence on a wide scale. How much in common with violent revolutionaries do American leftists have? How many of them have lived on a farm, worked manual labor, or fired a rifle? Basically none of them.

  274. Dan Hayes says:
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Alec Leamas (hard at work):

    I am damn sure that what was reported was true (that Kavanaugh collected cash from his buddies to pay for all but his portion of the tickets).

    Why am I so sure? Because the Anti-Kav Press & Media had obviously looked into this and could find nothing amiss. Otherwise it would have been reported as the cause celebre of cause celebres.

  275. Bubba says:
    @fnn

    Between Michelle Goldberg, Bret Stephens, et al., it seems the NYT‘s is hell bent on getting rid of white gentiles in the USA. Just a friendly reminder to the NYT’s, when their Bolshevik kinfolk tried to do this 100 years ago in Russia it really didn’t end well for them.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/bret-stephens-in-nyt-wants-to-deport-americans-to-make-more-room-for-immigrants/

  276. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Michelle Goldberg wins the Barbara Specter Award of the Year for Spilling Beans.

    • LOL: Bubba
  277. In Georgia, a chance to rebuke white nationalism.

    The fact that they called it “nationalism” rather than “supremacism” is telling.

    Maybe people are getting tired of the latter, or figuring out how absurd calling separatists supremacist is. A report on (I think) All Things Considered today used the latter term over and over. My six-year-old told me to turn it off.

  278. @Moshe

    Tyrion, who are you talking to?

    Moshe, who are you talking to? Because your post, unfortunately, confirms the negative stereotypes those you condemn hold. And now you want Tyrion to be silent. And Tyrion had the good sense to be in the Arena.

    The sea change has happened (cf. Brazil). None of the supposed givens have place now. Things may get ugly, as they did in Pittsburgh. You need allies and not enemies. Your response will enable your enemies, and gain you no allies, and not protect you or yours. You are a Jew that has needlessly committed another unforced error, because you cannot see the forest for the trees.

    I wish you well, but you are the latest instance of a Jew intentionally alienating me. You must think that you don’t need those who wish you well, but don’t want to lose our country.

    Or maybe you think you are the scorpion, and your reactionary response is predetermined.

    • Replies: @Moshe
  279. @Tyrion 2

    She is advocating the replacement of white nationalists.

    No, she is advocating the replacement of white people. The only distinction between white “nationalists’ and white “people” is that white nationalists have noticed and oppose the program to replace white people in general.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  280. @Harry Baldwin

    I’m afraid you’re correct. The Republican house has proven utterly obstructionist.

    More than 40 Republican never-Trumpers retired. If Rs have the house next term, the house interests, desires, and perspective will be dramatically different.

  281. Clyde says:
    @Cloudbuster

    I razzed you a few years ago about Mr W and Rangley Maine. Remain in light as winter temps descend! I have hiked there or nearby on the Appalachian Trail.

  282. @Charles Pewitt

    “Raise the federal funds rate to 20 percent and financially wipe the White California baby boomers out!”

    Careful what you wish for. 25% APR money market funds are not exactly the kind of economic events that wipe out retirees.

  283. Rosie says:
    @ben tillman

    No, she is advocating the replacement of white people. The only distinction between white “nationalists’ and white “people” is that white nationalists have noticed and oppose the program to replace white people in general.

    It’s no more possible to destroy White nationalists but not Whites in general than it is to push a person off the cliff and have him only fall half the way down.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  284. @Lot

    What are the ethnic percentages of registered and recently active voters? How many of the Hispanics are ineligible (even in Kalifornicado) to vote?

    Oh, don’t forget to come with a plausible estimate of how many minority voters have been intimidated away from the polls by the local San Diego Klavern in the past 50 years.

    Take a look-see at those numbers before getting too far down the road with whatever your thesis is.

  285. @Tyrion 2

    She is advocating the replacement of white nationalists. Or rather, she isn’t even doing that, she is trolling, as replacement includes deletion and cannot just be dilution.

    Forced integration inevitably results in deletion.

  286. @Peter Akuleyev

    “Whites” aren’t being replaced. White people in the upper 10% income bracket are doing just fine, better than ever actually, which is why Hillary thought she had them in the bag.

    It’s false that “white people in the upper 10% income bracket are doing . . . better than ever”, but suppose it were true: What the hell would that have to do with anything?

    We are talking about the future, not the present, and the foreseeable future of “white people in the upper 10% income bracket” is two or three generations. And then they’re gone.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  287. Hrw-500 says:

    I guess Michelle Goldberg might lost her sense of humor if she see that meme. https://imgflip.com/i/2lc1e8

  288. @Lot

    You know why players on other NBA teams hated Bill Laimbeer?

    Because Laimbeer was an un-athletic white guy (he didn’t want Billy Paultz of the Spurs to retire because Paultz was the only guy in the NBA Laimbeer could beat in a footrace) who could shoot, rebound and pass better than just about all of the other big men in the league.

    Laimbeer was obnoxious, mouthy, and very, very confident in his own abilities – which were very, very real.

    In short, his personality was just like virtually every other player in the NBA at the time, and certainly ever since.

    The Pistons should have beaten the Lakers in six in the 1988 Finals, save for the infamous “phantom” foul on Laimbeer. Kareem missed the skyhook on his own, but the refs gave the Lakers every call down the stretch.

    Why?

    Because Pat Riley had guaranteed a “repeat”, that’s why.

    ( I didn’t hijack this thread – Lot brought up the original Bad Boy, Bill Laimbeer!)

    Reg Caesar, feel free to comment!

  289. @al gore rhythms

    In order to win after sane immigration reforms they would have to change significantly or be replaced by another party. Just like republicans are if the current system keeps up.

  290. Jim Given says:

    By and large, conspiracies are not needed to explain the vast number of such pieces of writing. Simply put, many are called and few are chosen. So many people want sinecures working as Social Justice Warriors. They work long hours trying to internalize what the Zeitgeist is saying, what the Mainstream is concerned with. (Isn’t this what being a Good Student in school was all about; learning what the teacher thinks and regurgitating it on paper?

    But it’s so discouraging, seeing a clueless person advocate for open race war. Scary too—
    What this person learned is that race hatred is GOOD, as long as you hate the right race-

  291. Harry says:

    The Left-Deep State has had the Deplorable-Bitter Clingers safely neutered and silenced for decades, now that they have become audible, they are called “radicalized by Trump”. Just disagreeing with the plan for the NWO-DeepState-One world plantation ruled by shadowy elites far away makes one “radical”, “racist”, “White Supremacist”, blah, blah. How DARE white Christians even voice disagreement with Those Who Know Best, like this elitist commie NYT windbag.

  292. @eah

    We know that our Redeemer liveth.

    Sucks to be a post-Jew like you, Goldberg. Get back to where you once belonged.

  293. @Tyrion 2

    Goldberg isn’t advocating genocide of white people.

    Yes, she is.

  294. @ben tillman

    The people he’s talking about are all deracinated anyway. They’re the ones (along with their deracinated formerly Jewish partners) pushing all this to further decimate Americans not of their class.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    , @ben tillman
  295. @Charles Pewitt

    Tweet from 2015:

    Bernie backwalked bigtime in his interview with Jacobin magazine earlier this year.
    “We are a nation of immigrants” BS.

  296. Alfa158 says:
    @obwandiyag

    You seem to have almost zero reading skills, or you are simply substituting your own straw men for reality. Have you confused Unz.com with National Review? That is who you seem to be talking about.
    The general consensus I see here is that:
    1. Our owners want only non-Whites to be upset about losing out. They want Whites to shut up, remain calm and die.
    2.Minorities are not powerless, they are deciding the political landscape of whole sections of the country, getting every affirmative action advantage, and a massive transfer of funds. It’s just that non-Asian minorities are too dysfunctional to consistently turn that power into achievement and advancement.
    3. Nobody here thinks the rich are good or their friends. In fact many of them even express the opinion that “(((the rich))” are consciously evil and are their mortal enemies. People on welfare are simply their shock troops and stooges.

  297. @The Alarmist

    It’s amazing how they’ve convinced the 73% or so white Americans that they are actually a doomed minority long before it is a fait accompli.

    It’s about 56-57%.

  298. @Anon

    What a novel idea! Imagine: people freely and voluntarily choosing to live with like-minded people making the choices each wants and accepting the benefits and consequences, whatever they are. I like it. It’s so…full of common sense.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  299. @Desiderius

    The people he’s talking about are all deracinated anyway. They’re the ones (along with their deracinated formerly Jewish partners) pushing all this to further decimate Americans not of their class.

    Whether they’re “deracinated” is of no relevance to the question of whether they are advancing their own interests.

    They are not. They are dooming themselves.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  300. Anonymous[853] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    So replacing and marginalizing black nationalists like the Black Panthers and the Black Muslims constitutes “black genocide”?

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @ben tillman
  301. @Anonymous

    Goldberg appears to be describing the replacement of white nationalists with white liberals and various other groups. In other words, the definition you’ve provided doesn’t apply to what Goldberg describes.

    I don’t think she’s describing what you’re describing, which doesn’t really make any sense without further explanation. But if she’s talking about killing or deporting or lobotomizing white nationalists (as I suppose you’re saying), that still means the replacement of the entire white population, which — it should go without saying — cannot continue to exist without advocates for its continued existence.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  302. Anonymous[853] • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman

    You have an innumerate and idiosyncratic reading of evolutionary psychology combined with Salterism whereby people are mere appendages of larger groups like hives or ant colonies and whose “interests” and “selves” consist of the group.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Troll: ben tillman
    • Replies: @ben tillman
  303. Rosie says:
    @ben tillman

    I don’t think she’s describing what you’re describing, which doesn’t really make any sense without further explanation. But if she’s talking about killing or deporting or lobotomizing white nationalists (as I suppose you’re saying), that still means the replacement of the entire white population, which — it should go without saying — cannot continue to exist without advocates for its continued existence.

    Quite right. Reasonable people could disagree about this 50,000,000 immigrants ago. No more.

  304. Anon[322] • Disclaimer says:

    At least I can understand where Michelle Goldberg is coming from, any WASP who agrees with her not so much, like many in my extended family.

    As a multicultural person who is supposed to be aligned with Michelle Goldberg, I pray that the “basket of deplorables” she so despises win this war. United States of the Rainbow Coalition is not a country I will enjoy living in. If I like Asian culture so much, I wouldn’t have left Asia. If I like Latin American culture that much, I would’ve moved there. The last thing I need is for morons like Ted Lieu, Kamala Harris or Hassan Minoj to take over the US and plunge me back into the 3rd world.

    God’s chosen are here to lead us all to the promised land, only it looks a lot like hell.

  305. @Hypnotoad666

    It’s clearer every day how the SJWs are directly descended from the old commies. They still believe that the “science is settled,” they are on “the right side of history,” and the revolution is nigh.

    the revolution is in progress, and as Gil Scott-Heron predicted, it is not being televised. It is — to the extent possible — being concealed.

  306. @PhysicistDave

    Humans run on calories; most energy in 2018 comes from industrial sources; most industrial energy comes from burning petroleum derivatives; most petroleum is bought and sold in United States Dollars; every important war is fought over the extraction of material resources — all roads lead to the petrodollar, and all petrodollars lead to the Federal Reserve.

    The modern era began with the establishment of the Federal Reserve. WWI and WWII were its mere aftershocks.

    Who founded the Federal Reserve?

    Paul Warburg.

  307. @Malcolm X-Lax

    Vallejo is a pretty fascinating case study in diversity, way out ahead of the rest of the country in becoming a four race place.

    • Replies: @eah
    , @William Badwhite
  308. Rosie says:
    @Anonymous

    So replacing and marginalizing black nationalists like the Black Panthers and the Black Muslims constitutes “black genocide”?

    Perhaps you haven’t seen the important graph in the world?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  309. @Lowe

    US citizenship is worthless unless you physically travel to the US. In fact it’s less than worthless. It costs thousands of dollars to get rid of it.

    • Replies: @Lowe
  310. eah says:

    “everyone here knows why” — let me guess: ‘orange man bad’?

  311. Rosie says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Anti-White Jews know that allowing such groups to form is a slippery slope. Once these groups started to form, self-identifying Whites would have a beachhead to forming larger networks and institutions of their own. Next thing you know, they will have created their own society within the larger society, and sooner or later, that leads to calls for more independence.

    Yep, and that brings us to the worst part of this whole scheme. Whites can never, ever be acknowledged as victims of wrongdoing by non-whites, ever. An acknowledgment that Whites have even one legitimate grievance vindicates the need for White advocacy, and TPTB simply will not have that. As a result, you get Rotherham. No one could listen to Nick Griffin when he first tried to raise awareness about the issue, because he was Nick Griffin, of course. Atrocities against Whites go on with impunity, and we’re terrified to even bring it up.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  312. The liberal vision of the world is very simple. In the 1870s whites rediscovered it roots and adopted racial or ethnic nationalism. It was a threat to the Jewish minority, the urban bourgeois, socialists and wealthy white elite. They did everything in their power to stop it in countries ruled by whites. Politically, they control all sides of politics and elite institutions. However, there have been many setbacks since 1870s such as the rise of Nazism and Fascism in the 1920s. In United States we saw the immigration act of 1924 in United States. The British imperialism, social-conservatism, social-Darwinism and of course European nationalism which was on the rise in Northern Europe. There were also other movements such as catholic traditionalism and military dictatorship. It was not until 1945 the liberal prevailed. However, they still had to deal with apartheid South Africa.

    European states who wouldn’t give up their colonies and the remains of military dictatorships in Spain. More so, the Eastern Europe was behind the Marxist Iron Curtain. From 1945 onward the British Empire fell and so did all conservative, nationalist, traditionalist countries, movements, parties and societies across the world. In 1989 the iron curtain fell and socialist across Western countries adopted post-marxism – meaning market economy combined with anti-culture. The Jewish minority, the urban bourgeois and wealthy white elite thought they had won. Hence, Francis Fukuyama wrote The End of History and the Last Man (1992) and that was this.

    However, since the 1960s there had been nationalist, conservative, traditionalist parties and movements. Sure, they had been pressed down from the public eye but slowly gained support. The liberals did of course notice. People who dissented from the “liberal worldview” were kicked out of politics, media, culture, academia, finance, bureaucracy and jurisprudence. Liberals did nothing about unemployment and (under)unemployment because of outsourcing, automatization and immigration. All societal problems were swept under the rug. Although liberals still control all institutions they know that they are losing support. This is why they want to ban social media, internet, subsidize mainstream media, ban parties and organization and introduce new laws cutting free speech in the West.

    The export of liberalism to third world countries is also failing. In Africa it has been mostly about spreading higher education which has caused an oversupply but the political landscape is more or less the same. Africans simply do not care much and will not endorse liberalism. They do however want the goodies these Jewish and white liberals give them. In Asia liberals have tried with China, Japan, India, South Korea, Philippines and Thailand. In India the pendulum is turning right. In 2014 the Indians elected Hindu nationalist Narendra Modi. In 2016 the Philippines the people elected right-winger Rodrigo Duterte in 2016. The Chinese cannot care less for liberalism and will stop at nothing to increase their wealth. In Japan nothing has changed – they practice isolationism regardless of what is happening outside. In 2017 the liberals won a major victory by electing Moon Jae-in but as we know from the past. Things can change in the non-white world.

    If you listen to all of these liberal academics they have no clue of what to do. Francis Fukuyamas other liberals solution is basically free education for all, socialized healthcare, slightly less immigration, national service, elite councils (to replace electoral democracy), more propaganda, raise minimum wage with a few dollars, banning the internet and a weird civic nationalism based on liberalism, LGBT-rights and multiculturalism. The more I listen to these elites I understand how clueless they are. When I was kid in college and graduate school I was somewhat impressed by these people but since many years I have come to realize that these people have no clue. They will never chance Latin America, Asia and Africa. It is a lost cause. Eastern Europe is rapidly heading toward the nationalist-right and these people know what to do to stay in power. They are slowly losing Southern Europe to either right-wing populism or left-wing populism. They basically got Western and Northern Europe, United States, Canada and Australia.

    Four liberals at CFR try to make thing sense of what to do. What they do is complaining about identity politics on left and Donald Trump. Their solution is basically more college education, “civics” and regulation of internet. They hope that the “browning” of the West will save their liberal agenda.

    I think the right-wing is winning the intellectual war. They have no response and their power is still in that they control institutions and the money flow. If the right-wing really start to win they would easily could replace these people (read fire them) and then this liberal game is over in a minute just like in Eastern Europe. The liberal elites wouldn’t be the elites anymore and freedom would be restored.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  313. @Ron Unz

    Georgia used to be one of the strongest Republican states

    I don’t know where you dreamed that up, Mr. Unz, but I know you’re not usually given to such baldly and bizarrely counter-factual assertions.

    You should Google for “Political Party Strength in Georgia” at Wikipedia and browse the ocean of solid Blue from the 1840s up until 2004. And the intermittent Blue through 2010.

    Georgia went solid Red the first time in 2010 and has been so for less than a decade. Few of the Red-leaning elections have been by wide margins and all of them have been in reaction to Obama. A move back to Blue now that Obama is gone would be the natural thing in the Peach State.

    A few Latinos with low voter turnout are not driving Georgia’s turn back toward Blue. A mild snap back after such a radical historical discontinuity of Red is just what the historic pattern would predict.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  314. eah says:
    @eah

    And as one of the major ‘refugee resettlement’ contractors, they “welcome the stranger” to America using US taxpayer money — see Ann Corcoran — Refugee Watcher

  315. Lowe says:
    @Another Canadian

    You’re thinking about this like you are you, figuratively speaking. I assume you make decent money. You at least have a head on your shoulders. I also assume you pay your taxes, or try to, that your assets are transparent, easy to understand, and possible for the IRS to find. So for you US citizenship is a liability, say if you are living abroad.

    For others, not so much. Many others are either too dumb or uneducated to make good money, and they desperately want to come to the US so they can work service-sector and low income jobs there, and collect money from the gov’t to help them pay rent and cell phone bills. So of course they come to the US physically. Think Latin Americans.

    Or alternatively, they are rich and smart, but perfectly capable and willing to hide their income from the IRS. Think Chinese people. So basically my message is these people are not you. Nothing like you. US citizenship is all roses for them. No downside.

  316. anonymous[401] • Disclaimer says:
    @silviosilver

    Why indeed, if its only to appease losers like yourself?

  317. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    “Replace” isn’t really accurate here: whites aren’t moving to Mars. “Disenfranchise” is closer to what Michelle means.

    She probably doesn’t realize that most of the men who keep her safe, keep the lights on and the water running, voted for Trump. The country would grind to a halt without them.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  318. Ron Unz says:
    @(((Owen)))

    Georgia used to be one of the strongest Republican states

    I don’t know where you dreamed that up, Mr. Unz, but I know you’re not usually given to such baldly and bizarrely counter-factual assertions.

    You should Google for “Political Party Strength in Georgia” at Wikipedia and browse the ocean of solid Blue from the 1840s up until 2004. And the intermittent Blue through 2010.

    Well, I was mostly focusing on the presidential level in the last couple of decades or so. (Checking Wiki): Georgia has gone Republican in six of the last seven presidential elections, and Clinton only carried it by a whisker in 1992. Also, both senators have been Republican since 2005, and it looks like the Congressional delegation has mostly been Republican since about 1995.

    So I do think I was right in suggesting that Georgia has been heavily Republican for the last couple of decades, but perhaps my statement was a little exaggerated.

  319. Anonymous[350] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    The graph projects African population growth and Europe’s population in a steady state above 500m over the rest of the century.

    You said that replacing and marginalizing a particular political faction, white nationalists, is equivalent to white genocide. Then that would go for other groups like blacks, and replacing and marginalizing black nationalists constitutes black genocide.

    • Replies: @notanon
    , @Rosie
  320. anon[681] • Disclaimer says:

    Goldberg and her ilk should move to Israel and preach open borders there.

  321. @Cloudbuster

    Cloudbuster wrote to me:

    Your neighborhood sounds like exactly the sort of upper-middle-clasd outlier that cloud people think of as an endorsement of multi-culturalism. Those of us with more experience of mote common vibrant urban neighborhoods grit our teeth when we hear people extolling these multi-culturalism theme parks.

    Yes, and that’s really the point, isn’t it?

    When I go to the local Walmart and see Mideastern women paying for their food with foodstamps, I wonder why the rest of us have to pay for their food. But, “the rest of us” includes my immigrant neighbors: the Jewish guy from South Africa is a physician; the Iranian guy is a civil engineer and his wife works in biotech. I think it is fair to say that my immigrant neighbors are a net positive for American society: they are not the folks using foodstamps.

    Indeed, my immigrant neighbors are paying for the foodstamp users just as we are.

    The problem is not multiculturalism; it is parasitism.

    And, the biggest enablers of such parasitism, and indeed the worst parasites themselves, are the (largely white) ruling elite.

    It’s Clinton, Bush, Pelosi, and all the rest who are the real problem. My immigrant neighbors are not a problem at all. And, the immigrants who do present a problem are simply tools of the ruling elite.

  322. @Rosie

    Ultimately, what TPTB thinks about whites won’t matter, because that power, although pervasive, is tenuous. Whites who want self-determination need not identify as victims, but must simply seek power over those who would marginalize them. Right now this is done through awakened efforts at the ballot, as we saw with the election of Trump.

    If and when that continued strategy fails, other means will come to the fore. “Terrified” won’t be the mindset of those motivated whites—and certainly in America—isn’t the mindset of many of us who observe and vote in the current system.

  323. anon[271] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Start your own country.
    Oh, we did that already. And now we’re told we’re not welcome in it.
    Sooner or later you can’t just move on down the road and start over somewhere elese. You have to keep the ground you have.
    So I don’t want to start my own internet. I want the one I’m on to respect my rights.

  324. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    The Palestinianization of America. What Jews did to Palestinians, they are doing to whites.

    White Nakba. Maybe it’s poetic justice for the white crime of aiding Zionists to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians, an innocent people.

    Whites expected gratitude from Jews, but Jews saw whites as just white Palestinians.

  325. Anonymous[402] • Disclaimer says:
    @njguy73

    Yes. People, left to their own devices, can along fine. But “members of collectives” cannot.

    Interesting. Why not? Please elaborate.

    • Replies: @njguy73
  326. Anonymous[402] • Disclaimer says:
    @eah

    What does it show?

    • Replies: @eah
  327. Anonymous[402] • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave

    the Jewish guy from South Africa is a physician; the Iranian guy is a civil engineer and his wife works in biotech. I think it is fair to say that my immigrant neighbors are a net positive for American society:

    No they are not. They’ve taken scarce, well paying jobs in medicine and biotech that otherwise would have gone to Americans.

    And that’s to not even mention the potential political problems they may cause through divided loyalties, anti-White or Christian animus, pro-immigration voting, and ethnocentrism.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
  328. @Tyrion 2

    The effect is race-replacement. Race-replacement can happen quickly or slowly, but if one race is replaced by another within a given territory, race-replacement is the term for it. For example, Jaffa in Israel/Palestine went from 95% Arab to less than 5% Arab in only a few short years. That was a case of accelerated race-replacement, produced by such acts as subjecting the civilian population to mortar fire (as described in “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine” by Ilan Pappe). On the other hand, the population of Detroit was race-replaced at a more pedestrian rate, requiring decades for the population to change from 90% white to 90% black. The same is true of numerous towns across the southwest, which went from 90% white to 90% hispanic. Goldberg’s (and her ilk’s) preferred policies aim to replicate the same process across the whole country. It’s race-replacement, and it’s wrong.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  329. @Rosie

    It’s bad optics to rely on technicalities in an attempt to persuade a group to acquiesce in its own destruction.

    “Well, yes, we know there won’t be any more White people left as a result of our actions, but it doesn’t quite meet the definition of genocide, so there!”

    I think you could also get away with putting those words in their mouths. “Now, they tell us we aren’t being technically genocided. Okay. But they still admit that white people are going to be replaced as a result of their policies, so how different is it really?”

  330. notanon says:
    @Anonymous

    The graph projects African population growth and Europe’s population in a steady state above 500m over the rest of the century.

    the graph extrapolates from the current situation – our assumption is the excess from Africa will move to Europe and that will dramatically effect the European graph.

    You said that replacing and marginalizing a particular political faction, white nationalists, is equivalent to white genocide. Then that would go for other groups like blacks, and replacing and marginalizing black nationalists constitutes black genocide.

    why aren’t you angry at being accused of complicity in a stealth genocide? do you think white people deserve it?

  331. notanon says:
    @PhysicistDave

    Clinton, Bush, Pelosi, and all the rest who are the real problem.

    Clinton, Bush, Pelosi are funded by and the puppets of their campaign donors and any politician who isn’t a puppet of the banking mafia comes under constant attack from the banking mafia’s media.

  332. TheBoom says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    There’s not much downside to this new country, but the upside – punishing bad Whites and blocking any chance of the Jewish Holocaust 2.0 – is well worth it.

    It is well worth it, at least in the short run. High status by being against bad whites, cheap labor, many opportunities to virtue signal, voters who are more docile and won’t rock the boat if the gibs are there.

    Brazil shows that in the longer run things might not be too rosey. Kidnapping, murder, high taxes and general breakdown of society. Interesting to see that it was middle class and up, middle age to elderly people, especially men, who were the key voters for Bolsonaro. But the short term is so exciting and gratifying that it is hard for good whites to read those tea leaves

  333. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Rosie

    Both were in very specific settler societies, both were just immigration policies, neither lasted very long and neither conformed to the stricter definition of white which I imagine you would prefer.

    If white nationalism were limited to those policies, it would actually be no more than a relaxation of the immigration norms in most of the world (now) and Europe in the past, where substantial immigration was/is restricted to much narrower groups.

    • Replies: @notanon
    , @Rosie
  334. notanon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    None of those elements of white action you mentioned were serious social forces, ever.

    Both were in very specific settler societies

  335. @Mr. Anon

    Mr. Anon wrote to me:

    You mentioned four [non-Jewish] people. I was able to instantly match three of the four with [Jewish] names of comparable stature.

    No one doubts that Jewish-Americans have had success out of proportion to their numbers in a variety of fields ranging from literature to natural science to law. (I take it Jewish-Americans are rather proud of that success.) It is no surprise that you can list some successful Jews.

    But to jump from that fact to the idea that the Jews somehow rule the country or that the elite is predominantly Jewish is just factually wrong.

    How many Jewish Presidents has the USA had? Vice-Presidents? What fraction of the Senate or the House is Jewish? What fraction of Senate and House majoirty/minority leaders and House Speakers have been Jewish (yeah, I know: Schumer)? Look back over Cabinets of the last fifty years: how many Cabinet members were Jewish?

    If Jews really ruled the roost, surely they could have gotten at least a couple of Presidents and Vice-Presidents!

    In fact, if the Jews are in charge, shouldn’t they have had most of the Presidents and Vice-Presidents and House Speakers and Seante Majority Leaders during the last few decades?

    On the other hand, what fraction of the people filling those positions during the last few decades have been non-Jewish white folks?

    Divide and conquer: one way for the elite to gut any serious opposition is to divert that opposition into hatred not of the elite itself but of groups with very littlle power (blacks, Hispanics, immigrants, Asian-Americans, etc.) or at least onto some successful minority group, such as Jews, who do indeed have some of its members in the elite, but still do not dominate the elite.

    And, how can the elite encourage such a diversion? By publicly and repeatedly proclaiming that the most radical of the dissidents are the people who hate blacks, Hispanics, Jews, etc.

    I do not know how to put this more clearly: The Jews do not rule the country. The Clintons and Bushes and LBJ and JFK and Truman and FDR going all the way back to the founding progreessives around the turn of the last century were not Jewish.

    We need to face up to the fact that the mess this country is in was, as a matter of historical fact, created by Old Stock white Americans: the endless wars, the unstable monetary and financial system, the corrupt education system, and all the rest.

    It’s “our people” who did this to themselves: not some other race, not some foreigners, not people of some other strange religion.

    The fault is in ourselves.

    The good news is that there are still a huge number of Americans of good will of all backgrounds who know that something is wrong and want to fix it.

    But, if their anger is diverted away from the elite and onto groups that are not responsibel for what has happened, then decent Americans will lose.

    (The original progerssives were essentially secularized offspring of New England pietists and Puritans: see, e.g., Robert Crumden’s famouns Ministers of Reform for a detailed discussion.)

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  336. @Anonymous

    Yep. Native-born Americans are getting screwed at every level.

    I’ve mentioned before that I know an older mischling, born in Europe but resident here since adolescence and long since naturalized, who married a Thai woman. He brought her to America and she bore him three sons. (They’re now divorced.) He is pretty based, but his kids honestly believe that white men are the source of all social ills. He and the boys often have long, loud arguments about politics over the phone.

    (Interestingly, they qualified for free Birthright trips.)

    One of the sons is a doctor doing his residency in New York. Before moving there, he described the Big Apple as “the greatest city in the world”; now, after one too many encounters with incontinent bums on the subway, he is eagerly looking forward to doing his fellowship in another city. But even after having had his nose rubbed (literally) in the dregs of diversity, he still blames Mr. Stale Pale Male for the problems of humanity. He’s a second-generation immigrant with nothing but contempt for the founding stock of this country.

    (Oh, and he’s gay. So he won’t be contributing any genetic material to any future babies, anchor or otherwise.)

    The other day, someone else I know – an old Jewish guy, if it matters – was repeating the standard talking points about immigration: “Americans ask for handouts; Mexicans ask for jobs. Why shouldn’t we encourage them to come here?”

    I shot back: “Mexicans get paid under the table, so they don’t pay taxes for the public services they consume. And they work for cheap, so they drive down wages.”

    “Then we need to legalize them and raise the minimum wage.”

    At that point, he excused himself and left, confident that he had left me in the rhetorical dust.

    The liberal mind is an interesting place to visit, but I wouldn’t want to live there.

  337. @ConservativePM

    ConservativePM wrote:

    If you listen to all of these liberal academics they have no clue of what to do. Francis Fukuyamas other liberals solution is basically free education for all, socialized healthcare, slightly less immigration, national service, elite councils (to replace electoral democracy), more propaganda, raise minimum wage with a few dollars, banning the internet and a weird civic nationalism based on liberalism, LGBT-rights and multiculturalism. The more I listen to these elites I understand how clueless they are.

    [snip]

    The export of liberalism to third world countries is also failing.

    One of the really amusing aspects of the current world situation is that Western “liberals” are indeed succeeding in uniting the world — in opposition to Western liberalism!

    As you say, from Moscow to Rio, from Budapest to New Delhi, the people of the world have had enoough.

    Very different cultures, radically varying ways of life, but there is one thing the peoples of the world all want from the Western “liberals,” which liberals simply cannot understand: Please, just leave us alone!

    (“Laissez-faire et laissez-passer, le monde va de lui même!”)

    • Replies: @ConservativePM
  338. Eagle Eye says:
    @Another Canadian

    Everyone entering the US on an American passport should have their tax filing compliance verified on the spot.

    The IRS routinely ignores income received by U.S. citizens in threshold countries such as India and China, whereas income from countries in the EU is subject to strict scrutiny.

    Similarly, green card holders are required to reside in the U.S. and should accordingly be held to that choice by paying U.S. taxes on all worldwide income.

    Also, it’s illegal for dual citizens to enter the US on their foreign passport

    Indeed. It does not take a genius to figure out who is who by checking passenger manifests and a myriad other databases already in the possession of the U.S. authorities. U.S. citizens and green card holder must be FORCED to identify as such – no double-dipping by claiming U.S. citizenship for some purposes (U.S. education) but “forgetting” about it on April 15.

  339. Rosie says:
    @Anonymous

    Then that would go for other groups like blacks, and replacing and marginalizing black nationalists constitutes black genocide.

    Except that Africa will still be black until the sun goes supernova, whether or not black nationalists are tolerated in White countries. Only Whites will be assimilated out of existence in our own countries.

  340. Rosie says:
    @Tyrion 2

    both were just immigration policies,

    That’s the great thing about a racial immigration policy. You don’t have to make everything else about race. If immigration cannot be about race. Every other issue will have to be about race.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  341. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Rosie

    So not “white nationalism” but actually extremely open immigration policies for their time with a loosely defined racial flavour.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Mr. Anon
    , @notanon
  342. Ron Unz says:

    Actually, I should probably add one other point…

    Since I read the NYT every morning, I’ve read all of Goldberg’s columns since she joined the op-ed page about a year ago. She strikes me as a pretty mainstream liberal, not particularly ethnocentric from the Jewish perspective.

    Offhand, I’d guess that her views on the policies of the rightwing Israeli government aren’t really all that different than her views on the various American rightwing groups she regularly denounces and attacks. But I think she knows perfectly well that if focuses too much of her hostility toward the former, she’d soon lose her NYT position, which she’d rather not have happen.

    So I think she can mostly be criticized for her silence, and the caution/cowardice it implies, which doesn’t exactly make her unique in today’s America.

    After all, didn’t every single member of Congress, liberal and conservative, jump up and down down like trained seals for all those standing ovations given to the Israeli Prime Minister?…

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
  343. eah says:
    @Anonymous

    What does it show?

    ? — assuming you are not a dumb troll (sorry for being blunt, and I am giving you the benefit of the doubt)…

    It shows that violent + property crime in Vallejo is significantly above the average for the rest of CA and the rest of the US.

    Vallejo is a pretty fascinating case study in diversity, way out ahead of the rest of the country in becoming a four race place.

    And so maybe the “diversity” in Vallejo is not all that “fascinating”, and they are not “way out ahead” there — it is more regrettable, and they are “ahead” only if you consider that term to mean ‘heading’ to 2nd or 3rd world status.

  344. Tyrion 2 says:
    @silviosilver

    This is a complicated point so stay with me.

    You are taking Michelle Goldberg’s words as openly intending white genocide and extrapolating out from that evidence for an entire theory of (in your mind, justified) anti-Semitism.

    The crucial operative here is intent. Without it, she is just stupid and not evil or conspiring against you.

    You ask “what’s the practial difference?” But if we burned people for unintended potential third order effects of their opinions then we’d had to do a whole lot of burning. That is the nature of limited human knowledge. Indeed, such a policy would be obviously self-refuting. The unintended third order effects of it would require burning those who proposed it.

    Back to the argument: replacement is getting rid of actual people, not merely diluting the percentage. Otherwise, high black birth rates in Africa would be population replacement of whites as well (as a share of global population.)

    Of course, the real problem here is that dilution in a democracy means a diminishment of a group in terms of their democratic power (exercised in the name of that group). This is not genocide even if you may think it inevitably leads there (as a third or fourth order effect.) The key point is that Michelle Goldberg obviously does not agree. In fact, most people don’t agree. I certainly don’t think all white people will be killed as soon as America is majority minority. White people are the elite of Mexico, not pariahs, for example.

    It is therefore factually and morally correct to say that Michelle Goldberg is not advocating “white genocide” at all. Instead, she is advocating using immigration to fix elections. This is still awful and I hope the party in control of every branch of government has finally realised this and will do something serious about it; but it just isn’t what you say it is and the (hopefully) unintended (third order) effects of you mis-labelling it is that cretins like Bowers murder innocent people.

    Clarity is important, even as it is difficult.

    That’s why I am against censorship and tolerant of people getting stuff wrong, even while I am not going to sit with you in your “whites are being genocided” fantasy land.

  345. @Tyrion 2

    Thanks for jewsplaining all that to me.

    Otherwise, high black birth rates in Africa would be population replacement of whites as well (as a share of global population.)

    This is true, in a sense. I really do dread to think what’s going to become of the late, great planet Earth when there are four or five billion Africans scurrying over its surface.

    But of course, when I described race-replacement I said “within a given territory.” Obviously that territory has to be something smaller than the entirety of the planet for the concept to remain coherent. But for the sake of clarity – which, to your credit, you’re apparently very big on – it would be better to have said “within a controlled territory.”

    Speaking of a controlled territory is important, because although there’s not much (within the limits of moral plausibility) we can really do about births (then again, not nothing either), we certainly can exert control over who we allow into our territories. So when the Goldbergs of the world insist on easing up on those controls to let in the third world hordes, it’s the race-replacement effect of the easing that is foremost in my mind, and which I feel compelled to draw attention to.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  346. @PhysicistDave

    Iranian guy is a civil engineer and his wife works in biotech

    A woman scientist working in STEM, nice. A woman and a minority from a country with an average IQ of 84. She’s a two-fer. Very employable.

    If I may ask, why did the Jewish guy leave South Africa?

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  347. Rosie says:
    @Tyrion 2

    It is therefore factually and morally correct to say that Michelle Goldberg is not advocating “white genocide” at all. Instead, she is advocating using immigration to fix elections. This is still awful and I hope the party in control of every branch of government has finally realised this and will do something serious about it; but it just isn’t what you say it is and the (hopefully) unintended (third order) effects of you mis-labelling it is that cretins like Bowers murder innocent people.

    The trouble is you care nothing for the consequences of not calling it genocide. We are not going to put your interests first no matter how much you demand we do so, because we are not obligated to accept your definition of genocide.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  348. anonymous[401] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    There has nothing about Rosie that has ever been logical beyond a very black-like “whatever benefits me, society is unfair” so I’m not sure what you’re expecting.

  349. @S. Verdad

    White government workers who vote Democrat to keep their jobs will have to be fired when the WCA comes to power.

    I specifically pointed out White government workers who vote Democrat.

    White government workers who do not, for the most part, vote Democrat such as firemen, cops, road guys, soldiers and the like should be given big fat raises to be paid for with massive tax increases on the plutocrats and the upper middle class.

    White government workers in general is a tough one to figure out.

    White lady public school teachers and other White lady government workers are a source of big numbers of White votes for the Democrats.

    Plenty of federal government worker Whites vote for the Democrats too.

    There will have to be an Andrew Jackson-type spoils system in the future where White government voters who vote Democrat are fired and lose all their other future benefits.

  350. @Steve Sailer

    Vallejo is also a case study for the saying “you can’t get water out of a rock”. Prior city management made lavish promises to workers that today’s city management can’t honor. If there’s no money, there’s no money.

    They recently emerged from bankruptcy but still have overly generous pensions for police and other public sector workers. These are the public sector unions that Paleo Liberal etc seem to find so wonderful. Citizens are under-policed and driving on pothole filled roads because today’s tax dollars go to pay for policing and road maintenance done years ago.

    The upcoming public pension crisis is going to be really interesting. Some states will likely bail out cities, some states won’t. Eventually a state is going to default and will almost certainly run to Congress with their hands out. Hopefully Congress tells them to fix their own mess.

    https://money.cnn.com/2014/03/10/pf/vallejo-pensions/index.html

  351. Corvinus says:
    @OEMIKITLOB

    “What a novel idea! Imagine: people freely and voluntarily choosing to live with like-minded people making the choices each wants and accepting the benefits and consequences, whatever they are. I like it. It’s so…full of common sense.”

    Which we already have in place.

    • Replies: @OEMIKITLOB
    , @OEMIKITLOB
  352. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Rosie

    Ignoring the fact that you’re happy to be wrong as long as you’re effective, which is ok, what you’re advocating is actually detrimental to your cause, and not just because you’re wrong and therefore easily disproven.

    Tell me: who do the left love to talk about on the right and vice versa, and why?

    Do you think Biden’s Romney will “put y’all back in chains” was smart political rhetoric?

    Do you really think Bowers helped whatever it is you want?

    Basically, you’re happy stating extremely counter-productive lies in order to satisfy…dare I say it…hysteria.

    Is copying the SJW playbook, without the benefit of a friendly media environment, really a great move?

    • Replies: @Anon
  353. Marty T says:

    Brian Kemp’s campaign needs to have someone handing out that article to everyone leaving white churches this Sunday.

    I have a feeling he will win this election. But the coalition of white leftists and minorities is fighting to turn these sunbelt states blue. A radical zoo animal like Stacey Abrams should have no shot in a state like Georgia but she’s in the game.

    In Florida, black leftist Andrew Gillum may win the governors office over a strong conservative. It’s only a matter of time before the enemy pulls one out in Georgia and even Texas.

    Southeast politics seems like the future of America – trench warfare between the tribes, and do whatever it takes to win.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  354. RW says:

    “I admire Bernie Sanders because he got to be about 75 years old seemingly without it occurring to him that morality demands that he win by replacing the electorate with more Bernie-friendly voters.”

    As you’ve pointed out before, Sanders moved to Vermont from NYC just as it as browning, which might have been a wormhole moment for him. On the other hand, he didn’t have any problem tweedling out Michael Brown peans to his (nearly) all-white crowds in 2016, well after all the evidence was in.

  355. MEH 0910 says:

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    , @RW
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
  356. njguy73 says:
    @Anonymous

    When individuals see each other as human beings in their own right, they can get along. But when individuals see each other as members of some alien collective, they cannot get along.

    Seamus looks at Schlomo and sees Schlomo. Schlomo looks at Seamus and sees Seamus. Seamus and Schlomo get along.

    Seamus looks at Schlomo and sees “a Jew,” Schlomo looks at Seamus and sees “a goy” Seamus and Schlomo do not get along.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  357. Mr. Anon says:
    @PhysicistDave

    No one doubts that Jewish-Americans have had success out of proportion to their numbers in a variety of fields ranging from literature to natural science to law. (I take it Jewish-Americans are rather proud of that success.) It is no surprise that you can list some successful Jews.

    And to even do so in this context – to just notice this fact – is generally considered “anti-semitism”.

    But to jump from that fact to the idea that the Jews somehow rule the country or that the elite is predominantly Jewish is just factually wrong.

    And I don’t believe that, nor do most people here. You were tilting at a straw windmill.

    How many Jewish Presidents has the USA had? Vice-Presidents?

    How many billionaire Presidents or Vice-Presidents has the USA had? None. Are billionaires not powerful? You are assuming that Presidents are in-and-of-themselves powerful. They are not. They are executives, in the original sense of the word. They execute. That doesn’t mean they originate.

    What fraction of the Senate or the House is Jewish?

    The House? I don’t know. The Senate? In recent times, typically about 10%, give or take. What fraction of the Supreme Court (our super-legislature) is Jewish? 33%. It was almost 44%. Is there another self-identified minority group that has such disproportionate representation in the government? I believe the closest are Mormons.

    Look back over Cabinets of the last fifty years: how many Cabinet members were Jewish?

    A lot.

    If Jews really ruled the roost, surely they could have gotten at least a couple of Presidents and Vice-Presidents!

    Again, that assumes that such people are really prime movers. Did George W. Bush and Barack Obama strike you as people who were really in charge? And on the topic, why do virtually all american politicians with serious presidential aspirations speak to AIPAC or visit the Wailing Wall? Compare that to how many of them speak to the Knights of Columbus or visit the Vatican (probably about zero) or any comparable ethnic lobby (if there are any even remotely comparable).

    But why limit oneselve to considering the government. How about finance? How about the entertainment/propaganda industry (movies, TV, news, publishing, etc.). How well represented is this one group in those areas? A little? A lot?

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  358. Mr. Anon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Clarity is important, even as it is difficult.

    What is pretty clear is that you are an ethnically self-interested party arguing for the interests of your own group. We are not obliged to agree with you or necessarily even believe anything you say.

    Deal with it.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  359. Mr. Anon says:
    @PhysicistDave

    But, “the rest of us” includes my immigrant neighbors: the Jewish guy from South Africa is a physician; the Iranian guy is a civil engineer and his wife works in biotech. I think it is fair to say that my immigrant neighbors are a net positive for American society: they are not the folks using foodstamps.

    And yet America functioned perfectly well when few of the doctors were from South Africa and virtually none of the civil engineers were from Iran. Have you ever stopped to think that those people might not have all the allegiances that you have, not just political, but civic and civilizational, and what is the long term effect of having a populace that has little in common culturally. What is a place like when nobody is really from there? Sounds like an airport terminal.

    By the way, have you ever asked the guy from South Africa a.) did he oppose apartheid, and b.) why did he come here?

    My immigrant neighbors are not a problem at all. And, the immigrants who do present a problem are simply tools of the ruling elite.

    Your immigrant neighbors are also tools of the ruling elite.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  360. Mr. Anon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    What America was in 1960, and what most all Americans believed at that time, would today be called “white nationalism”, by virtually every Democratic Party office-holder and apparatchik.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  361. MEH 0910 says:
    @MEH 0910

  362. Rosie says:

    Basically, you’re happy stating extremely counter-productive lies in order to satisfy…dare I say it…hysteria.

    I am not going to pull rhetorical punches on the advice of a Jew. If my rhetoric is over the top, there are plenty of White goys who will tell me so.

  363. notanon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    The crucial operative here is intent. Without it, she is just stupid and not evil or conspiring against you.

    correct

    so if we point out the consequences of the policies she supports equate to

    conditions of life that lead to the destruction of a racial or national group

    people like her can say “oops my bad” and stop doing it.

    if they continue after the end result of those policies has been pointed out that shows intent.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Rosie
    , @Tyrion 2
  364. notanon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    loosely defined racial flavour

    “free white persons”

    a loosely defined ethnic/national flavor for sure but the racial aspect is as clear as day

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  365. Ragno says:

    A Jewish hag from Brooklyn being granted op-ed space to gameplan the replacement of white Christians in Georgia.

    Of course, post-Pittsburgh, I suppose we’re closer than ever to the criminalization of Noticing Such Things. But don’t worry!: the moment the tide definitively turns and the swingback of the pendulum inevitable, they’ll be rummaging through their emergency drawer for their gaudy crucifix necklaces and diner packets of mayonnaise, haughtily reminding us that only Nazis would consider Jews to be anything other than “white”. Why, we proudly fought for the Confederacy, you know!

    Seriously – we’ve got to isolate that biopolymer native to Asians that allows them to listen to the entire litany of tribal horseshit without any of it permeating or having any but a glancing effect on culture or behavior. Would save us no end of misery, and even cut down drastically on incidents like Pittsburgh.

    • Replies: @RW
  366. Anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Do you have a job? Do you serve any earthly purpose at all? I’m asking this because you are coming across as an unhinged babbler.

    • Troll: Tyrion 2
  367. RW says:
    @MEH 0910

    Can we start a ‘Ban Ben&Jerry’s’ movement here on Unz?

  368. RW says:
    @Ragno

    “Seriously – we’ve got to isolate that biopolymer native to Asians that allows them to listen to the entire litany of tribal horseshit without any of it permeating or having any but a glancing effect on culture or behavior.”

    Asians have the advantage of not so often being the intended targets of the horseshit. As well, it seems whites direct relatively more of their mental energy towards creating communities than Asians, who focus more on family and work. Building communities is a big part of white culture, but it puts them in contact with more horseshit.

  369. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Mr. Anon

    And they’re a bunch of abject morons.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  370. Tyrion 2 says:
    @notanon

    “White” was loosely defined.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  371. Tyrion 2 says:
    @notanon

    You didn’t understand my post at all.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  372. Tyrion 2 says:
    @silviosilver

    Thanks for jewsplaining all that to me.

    At least the SJWs sacrificed logic and intelligence for money and power. What have you sacrificed logic and intelligence for?

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  373. @Anonymous

    No, “replacing” them doesn’t even make sense.

    • Replies: @anon
  374. @Anonymous

    You’re an obnoxious troll who has no idea what either I or Salter believes and who is too stupid to understand any of it in any event. Neither he nor I would agree with anything you attributed to us there, and I’m talking about something completely different.

    Life.

    The life of the white elites is on a path to end within two to three generations.

    • Replies: @anon
  375. @Ron Unz

    The name George Scratchley Brown may ring a bell with you. He was a highly decorated (Distinguished Service Cross, Silver Star, DFC, Air Meal) B-24 pilot during WWII. He was one of the pilots in the raids on the Ploesti oil fields which turned into a nightmare when 63 B-24s were shot down or crash landed and 660 airmen were killed or became POWs. As a West Point graduate he rapidly advanced in the Air Force becoming commander of the 7th AF during the Vietnam War, AF Chief of Staff and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. During his tenure as chairman in 1974 he made a speech before the students and faculty of Duke University in which he stated the Jews had considerably more influence over Congress thean their number would suggest because they owned the banks.and the media. Brave man that he was he still had to retract his remarks or be fired by President Ford. Wikipedia or search engines provide considerable detail concerning General Brown if readers or posters on this site desire more information.

  376. Moshe says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    Thank you, I wish you well too. In fact I’m only writing you back because of your kind words in that regard. My point to the various Jews here is that they are losers for attempting to impress upon their enemies that they too support citizenist policies and that, in fact, Jews-qua-Jews generally do. Granted, that’s not what’s going on in this particular thread but in general many of the self-identifying Jews here have come across as cringingly looking for acceptance among people who openly hate them.

    I don’t actually hate anyone but I don’t mind making jew-haters think that I do. It’s fun. And certainly more fun than making them think I’m asking them to please reconsider their guilty verdict of me as “a member of the jewish race”. In fact, in general I am not a Jew at all but all 4 of my gramdparents would answer in the affirmative if you asked them if they were Jews so in the eyes of many of the locals I am not just a guy with no identity set in stone but “a jew” and, for the fun of annoying them, I’m happy to play one.

    Print is a terrible format for a discussion of this sort so I don’t expect you to get the jist of what I’m saying but because you personally returned the good wishes that I offered to the readership in general I want to acknowledge you personally and to attempt – however unsuccessfully- to respond to your comment.

    I hope you have a pleasant and happy day.

    Moshe

    • Replies: @bomag
  377. SMK says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Goldberg supports an invasion of brown and blacks from the Third-World that will soon transform the U.S. into a nonwhite-majority country, thus creating and sustaining a de facto as opposed to de jure one party dictatorship, with no need to abolish the Republican Party, since the democrats will control the presidency and the house and senate forever and impose hate-speech laws to punish and silence all whites,, predominantly if not exclusively, who are “racists,” “sexists,” “nativists,” “xenophobes,” “homophobes,” “Islamophobes,” etc., as do all leftists, gentile and Jewish, male and female, white and black and brown and yellow, etc.

    But paranoid gentile-hating Jews like Goldberg and her ilk also want to create a nonwhite-majority country in order to prevent the rise of a Nazi-like regime, a possibility that has no chance of happening today, and had no chance of ever occuring since the defeat of the Nazis over 70-years ago or at any time in American history.

    • Replies: @SMK
    , @SMK
  378. @Tyrion 2

    That’s an ungracious way of conceding defeat, but I’ll take it.

    • Troll: Tyrion 2
  379. megabar says:

    I do not fear white replacement because I cling to power, or hate minorities. Neither of those are true. I fear white replacement because I observe how countries of each ethnicity perform.

    • Agree: Kylie
  380. @Desiderius

    This is completely non-responsive, and you owe me an apology for your outrageous and idiotic insults.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  381. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Mr. Anon

    God, you’re stupid.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Mr. Anon
  382. @Marty T

    In Florida, black leftist Andrew Gillum may win the governors office over a strong conservative. It’s only a matter of time before the enemy pulls one out in Georgia and even Texas.

    DeSantis was a Never Trumper that now is hitching his wagon to Trump. He’s your standard GOP(E) coward. Whenever Gillum calls him “racist” he quivers in fear and tries to play the unwinnable “Dems are the real racists” game.

    That said I’m not sure a better GOP candidate could beat Gillum. Blacks are polling for Gillum in Obama-like numbers and throw in the bazillion Puerto Ricans that came here after the hurricane and its tough. Hopefully given that its midterms their turnout is low. The Repubs I know are pretty fired up and will all vote.

  383. Rosie says:
    @Anon

    What white people should do is unite with Arabs and Palestinians against Zionists. Whites must join with People of Color against Jewish supremacy.

    Can we do that in a way that doesn’t involve handing over our countries to POC?

    • Replies: @notanon
    , @Tyrion 2
    , @Anonymous
  384. Rosie says:
    @notanon

    if they continue after the end result of those policies has been pointed out that shows intent.

    Or conscious and callous disregard for our interests and wellbeing at the very least.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  385. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Rosie

    No, you’ve got to go with Ron Unz’s plan.

    Replace yourselves with what he thinks are less interesting but more docile Mexicans and Guatemalans; but before you go, hunt down the minority of important people who are Jews, kill them, nuke Israel and lie back and laugh as you’ve finally gotten revenge on whatever family member paid you too little attention many decades ago.

    Except they’re dead and the US is the crap part of Elysium and the Middle East is still in endless civil war but with the tiny strip that was Israel now irradiated.

    Amazing.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @notanon
  386. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Rosie

    Or they just don’t find your arguments very convincing…how do you think a convincing point is made?

    • Replies: @Rosie
  387. Rosie says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Except they’re dead and the US is the crap part of Elysium and the Middle East is still in endless civil war but with the tiny strip that was Israel now irradiated.

    Oh for Christ’s sake! I assure you I have no interest whatsoever in destroying Israel. Quite the contrary, I hope Jews prosper there till the Second Coming of Christ.

  388. Rosie says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Or they just don’t find your arguments very convincing…how do you think a convincing point is made?

    If that’s true, then they don’t understand the facts of ecology.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    , @Tyrion 2
  389. 3g4me says:
    @PhysicistDave

    @330 Physicist Dave: “The problem is not multiculturalism; it is parasitism . . . My immigrant neighbors are not a problem at all.”

    Classic libertardian NPC.

  390. @Corvinus

    Without threats of or actual lawsuits, harassment and/or intimidation? Really? Where is this place?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  391. @Mr. Anon

    Mr. Anon wrote to me:

    Have you ever stopped to think that those people [my immigrant neighbors] might not have all the allegiances that you have, not just political, but civic and civilizational, and what is the long term effect of having a populace that has little in common culturally.

    Have you ever stopped to think that the Northeastern progressives of a century ago and their ideological descendants (who today call themselves “progressives”) certainly do not have the allegiances you and I have and that the Founders had?

    If you ignore the fact that the primary enemies of the American Republic are and always have been a certain fraction of lily-white Americans, you are letting yourself be conned by the ruling elite.

    You are serving the elite well indeed by trying to turn attention onto racial and ethnic minorities instead of focusing on the serious crimes of the Clintons, the Bushes, and all the rest of the ruling elite.

    The world is on our side, from Moscow to Rio, from Budapest to New Delhi: they hate the American ruling elite just as we should. Let’s accept the world as our allies.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  392. @Tyrion 2

    Tyrion 2 wrote:

    It is therefore factually and morally correct to say that Michelle Goldberg is not advocating “white genocide” at all. Instead, she is advocating using immigration to fix elections. This is still awful and I hope the party in control of every branch of government has finally realised this and will do something serious about it; but it just isn’t what you say it is and the (hopefully) unintended (third order) effects of you mis-labelling it is that cretins like Bowers murder innocent people.

    Precisely.

    Goldberg may actually be so dumb that she is simply engaged in “virtue signalling” without thinking through the real consequences at all. E.g., massive Muslim immigration is not going to be real good for Jewish-Americans, and, indeed, most of the world most assuredly sees Jewish-Americans as “white.”

    Tyrion 2 also wrote:

    Clarity is important, even as it is difficult.

    That’s why I am against censorship and tolerant of people getting stuff wrong, even while I am not going to sit with you in your “whites are being genocided” fantasy land.

    Yes, the solution to bad speech is more speech.

  393. @Hippopotamusdrome

    Hippopotamusdrome wrote to me:

    If I may ask, why did the Jewish guy leave South Africa?

    He has never said, but I assume that it was some combination of realizing that the future of South Africa was problematic and seeing better opportunities in the US. (I believe he left a few years before the end of apartheid, but anyone could see that the apartheid system was not stable for the long term.)

  394. @Anon

    1776: “Start your own nation”

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  395. @obwandiyag

    obwandiyag wrote:

    Getting all upset about how your race or group is losing out is exactly what our owners want.

    They want you to blame it on powerless minorities. Anything but them.

    But you people actually believe that rich people are good and your friends, and that it is people on welfare who are out to get you.

    I hope you have read enough of the comments here to realize that there is a dramatic split on this matter among posters here. I, and several others, think the comment I quote from you is spot on.

    Alas, some of the posters find it easier to think in terms of racial and ethnic groups than to focus on the actual facts of how all of us are controlled by the ruling elite and indeed how the US ruling elite is trying to control the entire planet, everyone everywhere of every race and ethnic group.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  396. @Altai

    “diversity is cultural and economic enrichment’

    That translates to “lots of quaint exotic restaurants for goodwhites to frequent, and rich SWPLS can pay their imported docile helot workforce lower wages than uppity native-born American citizens.”

    ‘diversity is ethnic displacement and a burden you deserve!’

    In short, “shut up and die already, evil racist badwhites!”

  397. @Dave Pinsen

    On some level she does and resents the fact that she doesn’t have such a man as a patriarch of her own.

  398. notanon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    it would be nice if the hugely disproportionate number of Jews in the media
    - stopped attacking white people over disparate impact
    - stopped covering up anti-white violence
    - stopped inciting anti-white violence with hate hoaxes
    - applied the same standard they use to define “white privilege” to themselves

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  399. notanon says:
    @PhysicistDave

    If you ignore the fact that the primary enemies of the American Republic are and always have been a certain fraction of lily-white Americans, you are letting yourself be conned by the ruling elite.

    the primary enemies of the American Republic are and always have been the banking mafia

  400. @Corvinus

    “Which we already have in place”

    You mean the place where you can’t do it without threats of violence, force, intimidation, harassment, lawsuits, etc., or the actual occurrence thereof?

  401. anon[184] • Disclaimer says:

    a listener of Rense in Pittsburgh wrote Rense an email saying that thousands and thousands of Somalis (or Sudanese?) had been appearing in Pittsburgh lately thru the UN (fake) Refugee Resettlement Program and this may have been what upset the Synagogue Shooter.

    according to the email the Somalis are causing lots of problems with car wrecks and theft and also just milling around the city all hours of the day because they don’t work

  402. @Tyrion 2

    You didn’t understand my post at all.

    Then it’s a hell of a coincidence that his response meets the substance of your comment head-on.

    With that kind of luck, maybe this is the week he should play the Powerball.

  403. @PhysicistDave

    Have you ever stopped to think that the Northeastern progressives of a century ago and their ideological descendants (who today call themselves “progressives”) certainly do not have the allegiances you and I have and that the Founders had?

    What is the connection? How are today’s “progressives” ideological descendants of the KKK and other progressives of 100 years ago?

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  404. @Rosie

    He’s being disingenuous. We can all grasp that denying any person or group the right of self-defense is a death sentence. That’s what she’s doing, and Tyrion2 is smart enough to know that.

  405. @PhysicistDave

    Yeah, the Western liberals do not make many friends outside their circle but they are enormously powerful and their control of both centre-left and centre-right is a bit scary not to mention their power over institutions. No right-wing parties in Western or Nordic European country (plus United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) has been able take power. In Norway, Finland and Austria the populist-right has formed government with the centre-right. Nothing is really happening in these countries. In Denmark the populist-right functions as a supportive party for the centre-government. The immigration levels are much lower than in Sweden but it still significant and the Danish Peoples Party is clueless about challenging the broader liberal agenda. The only care about immigration numbers so the liberals easily round them and is able to continue to push the Danish society to the left.

    What makes the Polish and Hungarians so successful is that they understand that the liberal agenda is holistic. For example, they defend families which means banning gay marriage, infringe abortion rights and somewhat reduce the economic power of women giving them options to take responsibility for their family and children. What I understand they also make sure to secure a reasonable way out for women who divorce or lose their husbands. They also build up an economic which returns the economic power to the man so he is able to find a spouse and start a family. They also cultivate a culture of implicit ethno-nationalism and halt massive immigration. More so, they also direct the universities and schools to promote their values and their ideas instead of liberalism. They are just in the beginning of their project but you see results.

    The only reason why liberals are in power is because they hold the institutions. This is why they can behave like this.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/31/world/europe/oxford-afd-weidel-far-right.html

    Politics, discourse and meetings are on their term. What if Oxford was controlled by the right-wingers instead of liberals like Chris Patten or Timothy Garton Ash? Well, this is what the Polish and the Hungarians understand. You replace the top with your own people and slowly get rid of the liberals. You can do the same in media, bureaucracy, finance and what not. Liberals and Social Democrats did not promote democracy until they controlled all institutions. I think we conservatives should do the same thing if we have opportunity. If you had asked me a few years ago I would argue for constitutionalism and neutrality but frankly? Is it working? The liberal-left and the socialists has taken over the society and will use every tool possible (including abolish democracy if they could) so use the government to advance what I would call mild right-wing politics and it is not bad.

  406. @Tyrion 2

    Back to the argument: replacement is getting rid of actual people, not merely diluting the percentage

    Taking the percentage to zero is replacement, and the policies currently in effect are certain to bring the percentage to zero if not changed. And those implementing the policies show no interest in withdrawing them. Instead, they generally seem inclined to increase the virulence of the policies and the speed with which the percentage is brought to zero.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  407. anon[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman

    No, “replacing” them doesn’t even make sense.

    What do you mean?

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  408. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Can we do that in a way that doesn’t involve handing over our countries to POC?

    Why would it have to entail that?

    • Replies: @Rosie
  409. anon[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman

    The life of the white elites is on a path to end within two to three generations.

    Please explain. What is the process?

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  410. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Steve is fighting the last war. Mocking elites and pointing out their hypocrisies didn’t work in the past, and it won’t work in the future. Things have just gotten worse. Time for a new strategy, Steve.

    Okay, what is your preferred strategy?

  411. @ConservativePM

    ConservativePM wrote to me

    :The only reason why liberals are in power is because they hold the institutions. This is why they can behave like this.

    Yes, I think that is true.

    CPM also wrote:

    You replace the top with your own people and slowly get rid of the liberals. You can do the same in media, bureaucracy, finance and what not. Liberals and Social Democrats did not promote democracy until they controlled all institutions. I think we conservatives should do the same thing if we have opportunity.

    I think that is partly true, but I would go further. Some of these institutions should not exist at all (the US got along without a Federal Reserve System or a national income tax for a very long time).

    At the very least, many of these institutions need to be defunded: no more federal funds to universities — not for student aid, not for research, not for anything. The current “intellectual property” laws are unconstitutional (the Constitution says “for limited times,” but Congress keeps extending the time indefinitely for the benefit of Hollywood). Repeal Griggs v. Duke Power so that companies can rely on their own tests when hiring instead of what college you got into.

    And, above all, privatize K-12 education: we should rely on private schools, religious schools, homeschooling, etc.

    Those of us who reject liberalism/progressivism need to think bigger and longer term: We need our own “long march through the institutions” to recreate a society in which individuals and individual families are again responsible for themselves and free of the control of our incompetent ruling elite.

  412. @Mr. Anon

    Mr. Anon wrote to me:

    Dave: But to jump from that fact to the idea that the Jews somehow rule the country or that the elite is predominantly Jewish is just factually wrong.

    [Mr. Anon]And I don’t believe that, nor do most people here.

    Good, then you and I agree. But some people here do seem to think Jews rule the country, and they are wrong.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  413. Corvinus says:
    @OEMIKITLOB

    “Without threats of or actual lawsuits, harassment and/or intimidation? Really? Where is this place?”

    Here you go. Move there. It’s paradise for white people.

    http://www.newser.com/story/223330/10-us-states-are-more-than-90-white.html

    • Replies: @OEMIKITLOB
  414. Rosie says:
    @Anonymous

    Why would it have to entail that?

    I don’t know. You might consider asking PhysicistDave.

  415. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Citizen of a Silly Country wrote:

    Yep, what we’re seeing here is the slow death of Citizenism and Civic Nationalism.

    [snip]

    Steve is fighting the last war. Mocking elites and pointing out their hypocrisies didn’t work in the past, and it won’t work in the future. Things have just gotten worse.

    On the contrary, Sailer seems to be the prophet of what has been happening all over the planet during the last five years. He may have understood the underlying forces behind the Trump phenomenon better than any other prognosticator.

    I don’t agree with Sailer on everything, but I am frankly stunned at his batting average in nailing social and political trends during the last decade.

  416. @PhysicistDave

    Moldbug’s take was that instead of the media being a wing of the D party that the D party was a wing of the media, i.e. that the media is actually the ones running the country. Ink by the barrel and all that. Trump’s instincts that tell him to attack the media directly show that he intuitively has come to the same conclusion.

    To the extent that is the case then the Jews do in fact enjoy a substantial amount of power over how the country is run, or not run as the case may be.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    , @Tyrion 2
  417. @ben tillman

    Ben Tillman wrote to me:

    [Dave]:Have you ever stopped to think that the Northeastern progressives of a century ago and their ideological descendants (who today call themselves “progressives”) certainly do not have the allegiances you and I have and that the Founders had?

    [Ben]:What is the connection? How are today’s “progressives” ideological descendants of the KKK and other progressives of 100 years ago?

    Well… I’m tempted to go on a long rant about how today’s progessives’ “identity politics” really just is KKKism under another color so to speak (and “white nationalists” are falling for the same “identity-politics” game).

    But, it is probably unfair to blame the Northeastern originators of progressivism for the early twentieth-century KKK.

    However, today’s self-proclaimed “progressives” do seem to be aware that they are using the same name as their turn of the twentieth century predecessors, and, indeed, there is a continuous line of descent from TR and Wilson through FDR and Truman through Johnson and McGovern and down to the Clintons and Bernie and all the rest. (Of course, I don’t despise Bernie as much as the Clintons: Bernie is a “true believer,” the Clintons merely power-hungry crooks.)

  418. @Desiderius

    Desiderius wrote to me:

    Moldbug’s take was that instead of the media being a wing of the D party that the D party was a wing of the media, i.e. that the media is actually the ones running the country. Ink by the barrel and all that. Trump’s instincts that tell him to attack the media directly show that he intuitively has come to the same conclusion.

    Yeah, it’s not a crazy argument. An equally good argument can be made that the center of power lies in the educational system — the K-12 system or the universities or both: mold the minds of the young and the laws and institutions will follow.

    But, I think Sailer made a good point in his analysis above:

    This is a good example of why the conspiracy theorists are so often so wrong. You can tell that there are very few grand conspiracies in this world — that instead there are just people doing whatever the hell seems like a good idea to them at the moment…

    In a sense, the same analysis applies to the elite that free-market economists use to explain how a market economy works. No single small group is in charge among the elite. They have a (strong) sense of their common interest, of course, but to a large degree each member of the elite is pursuing his own personal interest — education-wise, career-wise, financially, socially, etc. — in an environment created and shaped by other members of the elite.

    It’s all mutually reinforcing. That is why most of them do not see what they are really doing. Most of them think they are just the normal, sane component of American society.

    Of course, that is ultimately why they can also be defeated: On the one hand, the elite is like a huge self-supporting structure like the Eiffel Tower, each member supporting every other member. On the other hand, if you pull enough of those structural elements out of the structure, the whole thing can come crashing down like a house of cards.

    Nothing lasts forever: the US has had other ruling elites that are now long gone, such as the Southern “Slavocracy” against which the abolitionists railed.

    The current ruling elite also will not last forever. What is created by human beings can be dismantled by human beings.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  419. @Tyrion 2

    This is a complicated point so stay with me.

    This is a complicated response, so stay with me.

    You are taking Michelle Goldberg’s words as openly intending white genocide and extrapolating out from that evidence for an entire theory of (in your mind, justified) anti-Semitism.

    If she is surreptitiously intending white genocide, instead of openly intending white genocide does that change how you will be willing to allow us to respond?

    The crucial operative here is intent. Without it, she is just stupid and not evil or conspiring against you.

    If you are correct, your argument should be able to be universalized. So, when Al Sharpton used his position to impugn Jews:

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2003/10/the-gaffes-of-al-sharpton.html

    it does not qualify as anti-Semitism, even though a Jew needlessly died as a consequence of his race-baiting, because he was just improving his stature in the African-American community, right Tyrion?

    You ask “what’s the practial difference?” But if we burned people for unintended potential third order effects of their opinions then we’d had to do a whole lot of burning. That is the nature of limited human knowledge. Indeed, such a policy would be obviously self-refuting. The unintended third order effects of it would require burning those who proposed it.

    Then Sharpton gets a pass. How about Louis Farrakhan?

    Back to the argument: replacement is getting rid of actual people, not merely diluting the percentage. Otherwise, high black birth rates in Africa would be population replacement of whites as well (as a share of global population.)

    You analogy is inapt. African population has zero affect upon how American politics plays out.

    But let us turn to your “replacement is getting rid of actual people, not merely diluting the percentage” argument. If you are correct, there would be no reason for the Israelis to limit Palestinian ‘right of return.’ After all, it would only dilute the percentage of Jews in Israel, not replace them. But somehow Israelis do not accept your argument, why is that?

    Of course, the real problem here is that dilution in a democracy means a diminishment of a group in terms of their democratic power (exercised in the name of that group).

    Obviously.

    This is not genocide even if you may think it inevitably leads there (as a third or fourth order effect.) The key point is that Michelle Goldberg obviously does not agree. In fact, most people don’t agree. I certainly don’t think all white people will be killed as soon as America is majority minority. White people are the elite of Mexico, not pariahs, for example.

    Again, you have given Sharpton a pass. And by your reasoning, the French that brought to France the Muslims that have murdered Jews are blameless. If outcomes don’t matter because of intent, you can’t do anything to stop Anti-Semitism when imported by someone who does not disclose an intent to harm Jews. But intent can only be determined by the person enabling the objectionable act by disclosing an intent to do harm. By the time the disclosure has taken place, it is too late. The victims of the consequences are dead, and the dead seek no redress of grievance.

    It is therefore factually and morally correct to say that Michelle Goldberg is not advocating “white genocide” at all.

    Let us try this with Jews, because almost all Germans had no intention of murdering millions of innocent Jews, not to mention millions of innocent Gentiles. Yet those Jews could not have been murdered without the tacit acceptance of genocide by those Germans that did not intend genocide. Do you hold them blameless?

    Instead, she is advocating using immigration to fix elections. This is still awful and I hope the party in control of every branch of government has finally realised this and will do something serious about it;

    If the TPHB disfranchise white people, regardless of intent, it means tyranny for us. They have shown they are ready to deprive those who won’t submit to the strictures of the latest fad of not just their business, but their home. And the petty bureaucrat that took their property justified it as ‘learning experience.’ Does your genocide definition allow people to be enslaved? Because that is the what the Left hopes to do. 1984 is their instruction manual, not a description of a society to be feared and abhorred.

    but it just isn’t what you say it is and the (hopefully) unintended (third order) effects of you mis-labelling it is that cretins like Bowers murder innocent people.

    For all you know Bower’s intent wasn’t evil, as the rest of us assume, it may have just been that his vile act of murdering the innocent was a consequence of some other intent, some utopian dream conjured by drugs, stupidity, genetic defects, misplaced confidence or who knows what?

    Clarity is important, even as it is difficult.

    Yes. Can you embrace your own adage?

    That’s why I am against censorship and tolerant of people getting stuff wrong

    And obviously so are we.

    even while I am not going to sit with you in your “whites are being genocided” fantasy land.

    Of course you haven’t demonstrated that it is “fantasy land” because, at least so far, you haven’t demonstrated you can read Goldberg’s mind. Hence, you do not know her intent, which might be murdering all who disagree with her politics, beginning with white people who disagree with her politics, and culminating with genocide.

    You have adopted an indefensible posture. The question now is what was your intent in adopting your posture. Well Tyrion, what is your intent?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  420. Mr. Anon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    And they’re a bunch of abject morons.

    Irrelevant. They control most of the country’s media and they set the tone of national debate. Half the country votes for them. The fact remains: wanting America to be (more or less) the way it was in 1960, or even 1970, or even 1980, IS white nationalism.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  421. Mr. Anon says:
    @PhysicistDave

    If you ignore the fact that the primary enemies of the American Republic are and always have been a certain fraction of lily-white Americans, you are letting yourself be conned by the ruling elite.

    If you ignore the influence of a powerful minority – a very powerful minority relative to their size – then you are being conned.

    You are serving the elite well indeed by trying to turn attention onto racial and ethnic minorities instead of focusing on the serious crimes of the Clintons, the Bushes, and all the rest of the ruling elite.

    No, I’m not serving the elite. I know who my enemies are. I have no illusions. And – again – if you think the Bushes and the Clintons are prime movers, they you are much mistaken. They have power in so far as they have been granted power to do certain things.

    I also noticed you did not address any of my points.

  422. Mr. Anon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    No. I just see through your bulls**t, and you don’t like it.

  423. @anon

    Please explain. What is the process?

    1. They’re discriminated against so their income and status decline each generation.
    2. They’re taxed at ever greater rates so their net income declines even more.
    3. Their status depends in part on their living in super-expensive areas.
    4. Therefore, they can’t afford many kids.
    5. The kids they have are likely to outmarry because they are decreasing in number and they lack the ethnocentrism to prevent their children, in generation after generation in perpetuity, from marrying one of the 50% or 70% or 90% of their classmates/coworkers who aren’t white.

    But 1 and 5 are the big ones.

    • Replies: @anon
  424. Mr. Anon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    “White” was loosely defined.

    No it wasn’t. Stop lecturing us about our own history. You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about (on this, as on so many other things).

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  425. @PhysicistDave

    Those of us who reject liberalism/progressivism need to think bigger and longer term: We need our own “long march through the institutions” to recreate a society in which individuals and individual families are again responsible for themselves and free of the control of our incompetent ruling elite.

    It’s not possible for individualists. Cohesive groups will always outcompete us for the most valuable niches.

  426. @anon

    I mean that “replacing black nationalists” doesn’t mean anything. They don’t control any territory or institutions or anything else from which they can be eliminated and replaced with others.

  427. @ConservativePM

    What makes the Polish and Hungarians so successful is that they understand that the liberal agenda is holistic.

    What makes them successful is that (1) they were (and still are) less wealthy than the US, UK, France, and Germany and therefore less attractive to parasites at this time and (2) farther east and therefore less individualistic.

  428. Dissident says:
    @Kemp

    Sorry, Goldberg, this one won’t even be close.

    Wouldn’t it be more prudent not to count one’s chickens before they’ve hatched?

  429. anon[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman

    Thanks. What do you suggest we should do?

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  430. @PhysicistDave

    The world is on our side, from Moscow to Rio, from Budapest to New Delhi: they hate the American ruling elite just as we should. Let’s accept the world as our allies.

    The rest of the world may hate the American government, but they still want to come to America and Europe.

    It’s utterly self-defeating to oppose immigration and diversity by allying yourself with the Organization of Melanin-Exporting Nations (O.M.E.N.)

    (As I guessed above, Dave’s anger (such as it was) about “we can replace them” would soon pass. It fizzled in only a day!)

  431. Tyrion 2 says:
    @notanon

    His makes them exactly the same as the majority of people in the media…

  432. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Mr. Anon

    The only thing they control is your fetid imagination.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    , @Mr. Anon
  433. Tyrion 2 says:
    @ben tillman

    Rubbish. The only thing sending it to 0% is people not having kids. And yes, you probably have a crazy strung out theory for why Jews to are to blame for that which also has a bizarre ad hoc explanation for why Singapore, Japan and Korea are actually leading the way but this is the nature of your crazy.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  434. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Rosie

    You obviously don’t have the faintest acquaintance with “the facts of ecology”. You’re wrong to imply Mexicans are another species, obviously, but even if we go with that nonsense, a species is only replaced by an invasive one if the invasive one is superior and outcompetes for resources or kills the previous one.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  435. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Mr. Anon

    It is as much my history as yours within those, according to you, exact definitions.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  436. Tyrion 2 says:
    @notanon

    Unsurprisingly the vast majority of people don’t find WN hysterics very convincing. In fact, they find them so much of a turn-off that it becomes much harder to advocate for even very moderate and straightforward measures like enforcing immigration laws.

  437. @njguy73

    When individuals see each other as human beings in their own right, they can get along.

    They may, or may not get along. “Human being” does not automatically translate to decent or worthy.

    But when individuals see each other as members of some alien collective, they cannot get along.

    It need not be a “collective,” it could simply be the presence of traits that commonly manifest in ‘alien’ individuals, who through phenotype and lineage and possible self-identification are seen as part of a distinct group. If these traits are naturally disagreeable to a significant amount of individuals in another group (as classified by the above criteria), separation of the two groups may be necessary to prevent conflict.

    • Replies: @njguy73
  438. @PhysicistDave

    Alas, some of the posters find it easier to think in terms of racial and ethnic groups than to focus on the actual facts of how all of us are controlled by the ruling elite and indeed how the US ruling elite is trying to control the entire planet, everyone everywhere of every race and ethnic group.

    It’s not just the US ruling elite trying to control the whole planet, it’s power elites (sometimes backed by popular sentiment) everywhere trying to control as much as they feel is desirable. Obviously the most powerful states try to extend their power the furthest, both as a defense and offense strategy. Since WWII the US has been best at this. None of this is surprising nor intrinsically sinister.

    What concerns all of the right-wing pro-white commenters on this board is what happens demographically within the Anglosphere and Europe’s borders. We aren’t pro invade the world, and we are especially against invite the world. Why? Because we live here.

    You seem hung up on the concept of “the US ruling elite,” but of course the US, and all functioning countries, must have a ruling elite (unless you prefer anarchy?). Our main concern: Is the US ruling elite sympathetic, indifferent, or hostile to, as Peter Brimelow put it, “generic Americans” ?

    If you’re equally worried about “the entire planet, everyone everywhere of every race and ethnic group,” I advise you to put down the kumbaya peace pipe.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  439. @Tyrion 2

    The only thing sending it to 0% is people not having kids.

    That’s not true. Ultimately, it’s interracial reproduction is what will finish whites off. Increasing the number of non-whites increases the potential mates for white people, which accelerates the process of racial extinction. (Ubiquitous pro-miscegenation propaganda accelerates it yet again.) Final product: race-replacement.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  440. @Tyrion 2

    It’s an empirical question. Are you seriously going to question the massively outsized Jewish presence in media ownership and governance?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Mr. Anon
  441. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Jenner Ickham Errican wrote to me:

    It’s not just the US ruling elite trying to control the whole planet, it’s power elites (sometimes backed by popular sentiment) everywhere trying to control as much as they feel is desirable. Obviously the most powerful states try to extend their power the furthest, both as a defense and offense strategy. Since WWII the US has been best at this. None of this is surprising nor intrinsically sinister.

    Surprising? No. Sinister? Yes.

    The current progressive elite in the US (and its allies in other Western nations) aspires to much greater control over human societies and individual human beings than most ruling elites throughout human history. The current transgenderism fetish is, in an ultimate sense, simply silly but it is illustrative. Our ruling elite actually wants to forbid people from acknowledging the obvious fact that the distinction between males and females is biological. How many other ruling elites in history would have tried to exert that level of control over their subjects — the Ottomn sultans, the Chinese mandarinate, the emperors of Rome?

    Most importantly, the current Western elite, essentially the American ruling elite, is the first elite in history that is seriously trying to control the entire planet: They really think they can do this, you know.

    They think it is perfectly sensible for the US government to kill people in countries all around the world whenever they feel like it. They are genuinely and deeply shocked that the Chinese expect to be dominant in the South China Sea. They truly are dismayed that Putin thinks that Russians can have a different attitude towards homosexuality than the American elite has in 2018 (although his attitude seems rather similar to Americans’ attitude circa 1965).

    Quantity matters. Yes, perhaps some small tribe on New Guinea also has a ruling elite. No doubt that Hawaii under Kamehameha had a ruling elite.

    But huge quantitaitve differences become qualitative differences. The current American ruling elite is qualitatively more threatening to its subjects than most previous elites and much more dangerous to the planet as a whole than any previous elite.

    JIE also wrote:

    You seem hung up on the concept of “the US ruling elite,” but of course the US, and all functioning countries, must have a ruling elite (unless you prefer anarchy?).

    Are you acquainted with Jefferson’s idea of a “natural aristocracy”?

    I’m a Thoreauist (politically, that is: I have no desire to live in a shack in the woods near Walden Pond). I do not think that human beings are materially equal. I know that there is a hierarchy of skills and talents and character among men. That will naturally result in differences of wealth, fame, income, etc.

    But, I agree with Jefferson and Thoreau that that hierarchy of character and aptitude does not entitle some men to rule over others. A natural hierarchy is one of emulation, not domination.

    Does that make me an “anarchist” as you suggest? Best perhaps not to argue definitions. I’ll merely say that most people who have called themselves “anarchists” over the last couple of centuries have been egalitarians and communists. They would certainly not accept me as a comrade (fine with me, since I have no wish to be a comrade).

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  442. Tyrion 2 says:
    @silviosilver

    There you go again…conflating “disproportionate” (motte) with actual majority or control (bailey).

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    , @Mr. Anon
  443. Tyrion 2 says:
    @silviosilver

    That’s pure 1984. Reproduction = death. What a joke.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    , @ben tillman
  444. @Tyrion 2

    Unchecked, in the long-term it leads to racial extinction, yes. That’s the truth. What am I supposed to do, lie about the effects?

    Obviously, plenty of people don’t care (and never will), but that is a separate issue.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  445. @Tyrion 2

    I doubt I’ve ever once used the word “control” to characterize it. (I challenge you to find one single instance of it.) There is some possibility that it’s “majority,” particularly in the most prestigious media. But otherwise I’m happy to go with “massively disproportionate.”

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  446. Tyrion 2 says:
    @silviosilver

    If it isn’t majority then it isn’t a Jewish issue but a globalist elite issue of which Jews constitute a disproportionate share.

    Your motte cannot defend your larger theory, only your bailey can, but your bailey is a fantasy so you constantly talk as if people are attacking your motte. It is tiresome.

  447. @PhysicistDave

    Dave, we have different views in some areas, but I appreciate your levelheaded response to my pointed post. And of course, what you write about the nature of much the current Western/US ruling elite is true.

  448. Tyrion 2 says:
    @silviosilver

    Unchecked, in the long-term it leads to racial extinction, yes. That’s the truth. What am I supposed to do, lie about the effects?

    Extinction of a currently useful category for understanding some sociological phenomena, but not the actual extinction of any people.

    Is extinction not a somewhat hysterical word to use in the former context? Or genocide?

  449. Rosie says:
    @Tyrion 2

    You obviously don’t have the faintest acquaintance with “the facts of ecology”. You’re wrong to imply Mexicans are another species, obviously, but even if we go with that nonsense, a species is only replaced by an invasive one if the invasive one is superior and outcompetes for resources or kills the previous one.

    Two things:

    (1) Reproductive fitness is not the same as civilization all competence.

    (2) Whites are not allowed to compete. Rather, the hostile government forces us to subsidize the competition.

    Now, I’m sure you’re well aware of these things, so I can only assume you’re being obtuse. I’m trying to be civil, but my patience is running out.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  450. Rosie says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Extinction of a currently useful category for understanding some sociological phenomena, but not the actual extinction of any people.

    “Jew” is just a social construct. Open borders for Israel!

    Is extinction not a somewhat hysterical word to use in the former context? Or genocide?

    No.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  451. @Tyrion 2

    Jews have massively disproportionate influence and use it to advance their hypocrisy and double standards. You may not want to criticize this, but I do. It’s really that simple.

  452. @Tyrion 2

    Extinction of a currently useful category for understanding some sociological phenomena, but not the actual extinction of any people.

    Right back to jewsplanations. This is gold. Keep it up.

  453. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Rosie

    Judaism is a religion, which is a social construct, obviously. That or a divine, mystical construct but we can leave this out of the discussion.

    Nor am I arguing for “open borders” for America. My policy is only supermodel Einstein multi-millionaires (of both sexes) with Thomas More level morals and George Washington patriotism get in. Or something like that.

    Your suggested policy is a lot more open than mine.

    I’m just pointing out that the hysteria of your language is leading to sloppy thinking and failing politics.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Rosie
  454. njguy73 says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    They may, or may not get along. “Human being” does not automatically translate to decent or worthy.

    You’re right. Seeing someone as a human being is not sufficient for getting along with someone. It’s simply necessary. Necessary but not sufficient.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  455. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Rosie

    So now you’ve bait and switched from “ecology” to “civilizational competence”.

    The problem is that you are keeping what you consider an ecological term “race” and directly misapplying it into a civilizational argument.

    More sloppy thinking…

    I get the strength of your feelings and I even think there’s a lot of merit in your arguments but they are so muddled as to render them incapable of mainstream success.

    The culture is openly racist against white people but that isn’t genocide.

  456. @ben tillman

    Grats on making Roissy.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  457. Anonymous[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Is extinction not a somewhat hysterical word to use in the former context? Or genocide?

    Jews often compare it to genocide and even refer to it as the Second Holocaust.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  458. Mr. Anon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    It is as much my history as yours within those, according to you, exact definitions.

    No, it isn’t.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  459. Anonymous[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    I’m just pointing out that the hysteria of your language is leading to sloppy thinking and failing politics.

    What exactly is making for failing politics?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  460. Mr. Anon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    The only thing they control is your fetid imagination.

    What utter crap. You mean to say that the liberal political establishment does not control the narrative of current events? Are you stupid or just lying. Or both.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  461. Mr. Anon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    No – you however are a liar. Perhaps you’re a stupid one at that. I really don’t care.

    Idiot.

  462. Mr. Anon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    There you go again…conflating “disproportionate” (motte) with actual majority or control (bailey).

    Disproportionate leading to a substantial level of control.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  463. Mr. Anon says:
    @silviosilver

    He’ll happily squirt squid-ink around the question. Tyrion2 can be counted on to make any disingenuous argument necessary in the furtherance of his ethnic group and its interests. He’s serious about that. Your mistaken if you think there are any actual interesting thoughts behind that handle. He might as well be a bot.

    • Agree: silviosilver
    • Troll: Tyrion 2
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  464. notanon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    If it isn’t majority then it isn’t a Jewish issue but a globalist elite issue of which Jews constitute a disproportionate share.

    so you agree “Jews dindu nuffin” is an untenable position

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
  465. notanon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    The culture is openly racist against white people but that isn’t genocide.

    it’s genocidal

  466. Rosie says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Judaism is a religion

    Don’t give me that. We all know there is no theological test to make Aliyah.

    My policy is only supermodel Einstein multi-millionaires (of both sexes) with Thomas More level morals and George Washington patriotism get in. Or something like that.

    I couldn’t care less what your policy is. Nor do I care how superior all these smart-fraction foreigners are. They’re not my people and not my problem.

    I’m just pointing out that the hysteria of your language is leading to sloppy thinking and failing politics.

    Thanks for your concern, but taking advice from Jews is what got us into this mess to begin with.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  467. Rosie says:
    @Tyrion 2

    So now you’ve bait and switched from “ecology” to “civilizational competence”.

    The problem is that you are keeping what you consider an ecological term “race” and directly misapplying it into a civilizational argument.

    This is not a bait and switch.

    You said:

    One group cannot displace another unless they are superior and outcompete them.

    I was merely pointing out that this is true only to the extent that “superior” is understood in the strict Darwinian sense of reproductive fitness. Ordinarily, this would make sense, except that we live in an artificially dysgenic society where the competent are forced to subsidize the incompetent.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  468. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Rosie

    Don’t give me that. We all know there is no theological test to make Aliyah.

    Actually, there is. The process takes an either/or approach.

  469. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Rosie

    One group cannot displace another unless they are superior and outcompete them.

    Yes, in an ecological sense. My context was extremely clear. You then introduced a civilizational standard.

    Ordinarily, this would make sense, except that we live in an artificially dysgenic society where the competent are forced to subsidize the incompetent.

    All societies are artificial.

    The fact that contemporary society is dysgenic by a civilisational standard is probably true, but then you’re mixing in an ecological category (race) to the civilisational standard and therefore ending up at an inaccurate conclusion.

    Race and civilisation are not synonyms, even while they often correlate.

    Anything that makes race an absolute category is easy to lampoon. That’s why SJWs walking past homeless white men and hating those homeless men’s “white privilege” is so laughable; and alienating. It is also why your pretense that just because someone is blond haired and blue-eyed they are worth more to you than someone who is not, but has done actual concrete good for you, is so silly.

    SJW: you must love this violent, black thug because Ben Carson is a stand-up individual.

    WN: You must reject Ben Carson because this other black bloke is a violent thug.

    Me: Ben Carson is a stand-up bloke and that thug is bad.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  470. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Desiderius

    If the media tail really is wagging the institutional power dog then we are in a sad state.

    It is like 1984 but somehow I am wishing there were at least an Inner Party. Come back O’Brien, your imaginary crimes are forgiven.

  471. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Mr. Anon

    As a living Arno Breker sculpture, I can’t imagine the White Australia policy would have been very hard for me to pass….

  472. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Yes, Jews are substantially to blame for our current situation. Just as white gentiles are majority to blame.

    Just as just as Jews are only substantially to be commended for the wondrous achievements of the age and white gentiles are majority to be commended for them.

    I do prefer, given time, to allocate merit and blame according to what people actually do not what people who somehwat resemble did; but if we’re generalising then the above is accurate.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  473. jjtaup says:

    Michelle, what will you and your uber-white party of editorial lynchmasters contribute to the celebration? May I suggest a pink-lemonade toast at the stroke of midnight in the footsteps of the People’s Temple tradition? Email me for the recipe.

  474. Rosie says:
    @Tyrion 2

    It is also why your pretense that just because someone is blond haired and blue-eyed they are worth more to you than someone who is not, but has done actual concrete good for you, is so silly.

    You’re just pushing individualism as usual, and arguing in a circle to boot.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  475. @Mr. Anon

    Oh, I know that. I shouldn’t waste my time. It just frustrates me to see him clogging up thread after thread, playing fast and loose with facts and logic as it pleases him, only to have rebuttals to his nonsense censored for (I imagine) stepping over some arbitrary line. It’s good practice for the next time you encounter one of these slippery characters I guess.

  476. @Desiderius

    Grats on being a grade-A asshole, and dumb as a stump to boot.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  477. @Tyrion 2

    That’s pure 1984. Reproduction = death. What a joke.

    He misspoke. He meant to say “interbreeding”. Those who interbreed are assuredly not “reproducing” themselves.

    And, yes, interbreeding will result in the death of the White elite in just a few generations’ time.

  478. @Tyrion 2

    If it isn’t majority then it isn’t a Jewish issue but a globalist elite issue of which Jews constitute a disproportionate share.

    Non sequitur.

  479. @Tyrion 2

    If it isn’t majority then it isn’t a Jewish issue but a globalist elite issue of which Jews constitute a disproportionate share.

    The most important thing Dawkins ever did was The Extended Phenotype. If one understands the concept, your argument appears silly.

  480. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anonymous

    Trump works. Orban works. Salvini works. Poland works.

    WN…not so much.

  481. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Rosie

    I’m “pushing” complexity.

  482. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Anonymous

    Do they?

    Plenty of moronic Jews I suppose…

  483. @njguy73

    Right. I think it’s nice that different types of people may recognize their common humanity and appreciate differences that are admirable or are mutually beneficial.

    However, in the example of domestic abuse, partners can try to stick it out—but if they’re truly incompatible, one (or both) may end up violently deceased. Better to split up before that happens, I would think.

  484. @Tyrion 2

    It’s simple, really. You admit “The culture is openly racist against white people.” That fact could possibly be a precursor to genocide, given the shift in demographic proportions, both in the US and globally. Almost all whites in the US have had “Holocaust class” at some point in their scholastic education, and are familiar with the concept of “Never Again.”

    Critics of Goldberg—who celebrates the demographic swamping of whites—are simply applying that reasonable sentiment to the potential fate of whites as a recognizable people. According to “Never Again” logic, precursors to genocide must be identified, and taken as seriously, as genocidal conditions by the targeted group—otherwise through complacence they’ll possibly suffer the same ignominious fate as the Jews of Europe did.

    You, a Jew, scoffing at Rosie and others using the “G” word is ironic, given that whites in the US are indoctrinated in school to be horrified at the results of what can happen to minorities in hostile lands, with the Holocaust as the foremost example.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  485. @PhysicistDave

    There are two ways of solving this problem. You can either take over the institutions or abolish the institutions. The second is popular among libertarians. I do think Ben Tillman has a point when he argues that we are fighting cohesive groups which are able to prosper and succeed regardless of what system we have. The liberal elites control everything. They do not only control institutions we face in our everyday lives like newspapers but also formal and informal net works at a very high-level. Note that the elites are global.

    If a country breaks free from the liberal elites in that country will just flee to another country and within a few years the country the liberal elites fled from will face international sanctions. What I can read and see from the elite think tanks it is clear that they are afraid as they are losing their political power. However, it is seems like the academics (they are much more exposed) that seem to be afraid such and not the business elites. What is also worrying is that most of these populist movements is already overtaken or will be overtaken by liberals who will push them away from their original goal.

    If you look what Donald Trump has accomplished he has really done nothing at all other then lowered taxes for the wealthy. Sure, he is provocative and normalizes right-wing discourse but he is not successful in terms of policy. I do not think Trump will sit for two elections and even if he did everything will be reverted to “normal” as soon as he leaves office.

    I think it would have been better if someone like Ron Paul or Rand Paul had won. It is easier to dismantled institutions then built something new or for that matter take over old institutions. As you rightfully claim, if you get rid of public education a lot is gained and it would force corporation to educate their own work force. More so, a lot of people in the “sub-elite” would also lose their jobs. It would be a difficult policy decision to fire people and replace them. Who would we replace them with? It is easier to just defund and abolish public education all together.

    Anyway – We are not winning but losing.

  486. @anon

    Learn and teach, and reject the legitimacy of the power structure whenever you can get away with it.

    • Replies: @anon
  487. @ben tillman

    Interesting that Ted Beale made the same mistake.

    Something about alt-right malangelists precludes them from accurately assessing the intelligence of others.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  488. anon[417] • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman

    Learn and teach, and reject the legitimacy of the power structure whenever you can get away with it.

    Thank you.

    What would be some examples of opportunities to reject the legitimacy of the power structure?

  489. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    That very long post of yours conflated “white nationalists” with “white people” which is one hell of a conflation.

    It is also one that 99.something percent of white people would disagree with.

    Others, on this thread, have tried to justify it by saying that without “white nationalism” then white people will die.

    But this supposition is also only held by a tiny minority and to impugn Goldberg you have to assume she actually believes it. Probably says not. Nor is she unreasonable for not believing it.

    Almost no one does…so how can you assume she does?

  490. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Your motte here is “the Jews”. Your bailey is the “liberal establishment”. The latter is correct and minority Jewish.

    • Replies: @notanon
    , @Mr. Anon
  491. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You, a Jew, scoffing at Rosie and others using the “G” word is ironic, given that whites in the US are indoctrinated in school to be horrified at the results of what can happen to minorities in hostile lands, with the Holocaust as the foremost example

    I don’t see any irony in me disagreeing with other Jews. I imagine you disagree with Hilary Clinton on the need for open borders. Is that ironic too?

    It’s simple, really. You admit “The culture is openly racist against white people.”

    I don’t “admit” it. I notice it and make fair effort to get others to notice it to.

    That fact could possibly be a precursor to genocide

    It possibly could, which is another good reason for it to stop. But the leap to “Goldberg is calling for white genocide” is a logically impossible one.

    I get it. Your standard is the SJW style of argument. “Those people are allowed to argue like this, so why not me?” Well, to put you at rest as to my possible hypocrisy, I think you’re both as stupid and self-defeating as each other.

    I’m perhaps more sympathetic to you guys, as you have no power, but I am also more exasperated as your lack of power means you need to be smarter to have an influence.

    Critics of Goldberg—who celebrates the demographic swamping of whites

    Swamping of “white nationalists”. She no doubt wetted herself at the thought of Hilary Clinton being President and the only way she wanted her swamped was with adulation.

  492. notanon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    you think you’re defending Jews but by defending genocidally anti-white Jews in the media you’re actually hardening people.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  493. I don’t see any irony in me disagreeing with other Jews.

    I’m not sure what you’re referring to.

    Are you saying the “Never Again” mantra and message is bogus? That how the Holocaust is taught in schools should be altered in some way?

    (In America, it’s long been taught that incremental marginalization of a disfavored group can lead to a ‘slippery slope’ of increasingly serious sanctions against that group, culminating in their possible elimination.)

    But the leap to “Goldberg is calling for white genocide” is a logically impossible one.

    Not at all. Goldberg extols a general demographic takeover by non-whites multiple times in her article (see below). As per “Never Again” concerns, which I think are legit, it’s a possible precursor to genocide and should be recognized as such by those who are against it.

    [MORE]

    I get it. Your standard is the SJW style of argument.

    That’s supposed to be criticism? Both the left and the right can use similar styles of rhetoric. What matters is the content and if the logic holds up.

    I’m perhaps more sympathetic to you guys, as you have no power

    It’s not about sympathy, the subthread is about if a genocidal outcome for whites is a possibility, given the concerns some of us have about demographic change. If you disagree, you should make your case.

    … I am also more exasperated as your lack of power means you need to be smarter to have an influence.

    You forget brute force, of which there is a tremendous latent amount in the United States. The civilian share dwarfs the power of federal, state, and local government.

    Swamping of “white nationalists”.

    Difference without a distinction, according to the strategy Goldberg cites in her article, which lauds the increasing minority share of the electorate. That means swamping whites in general, which of course, is the “white nationalists” main concern in the first place—and a legitimate one from a generally pro-white point of view, I might add.

    Goldberg in the NYT (bold emphasis added by me) :

    For a few hours on Saturday morning, I felt good about America. I was at a smallish rally in the Atlanta suburb of Riverdale, listening to Democratic politicians including Senator Kamala Harris and Georgia’s Stacey Abrams, who could become the first African-American female governor in American history. (…) The crowd stood, applauding and cheering, as Abrams said, “Because this is our Georgia!”

    Abrams’s goal is to put together a coalition of African-American and other minority voters and white liberals. The potential is there; Georgia is less than 53 percent non-Hispanic white. “Georgia is a blue state if everybody votes,” DuBose Porter, chairman of the Democratic Party of Georgia, told me.

    But the forces of democracy are rising, too. In Georgia’s highly diverse Seventh District, Carolyn Bourdeaux, part of the wave of women inspired to run for office by revulsion at Trump, is challenging Representative Rob Woodall, a Republican. Bourdeaux said that the Seventh, a majority-minority district with immigrants from all over the world, has been on the front lines of voter suppression. [Some unintentional irony there, given Sailer’s “foreign ringer” concept of vote dilution.] Nevertheless, her campaign said that early-voting turnout has reached presidential levels.

    So there it is. Maybe you didn’t read the article, but clearly Goldberg approves of a strategy to significantly rely on non-white voters, including non-white immigrants, to outvote whites in favor of a party that is overtly hostile to American whites in general.

    1) I’ve refuted your claim that Goldberg is targeting only “white nationalists,” she’s admittedly rooting for whites in general to lose power.

    2) What is your position on the concept of “Never Again” as it relates to genocide? You vaguely wrote you “disagree with other Jews” regarding Holocaust education.

  494. @Tyrion 2

    I don’t see any irony in me disagreeing with other Jews.

    I’m not sure what you’re referring to.

    Are you saying the “Never Again” mantra and message is bogus? That how the Holocaust is taught in schools should be altered in some way?

    (In America, it’s long been taught that incremental marginalization of a disfavored group can lead to a ‘slippery slope’ of increasingly serious sanctions against that group, culminating in their possible elimination.)

    But the leap to “Goldberg is calling for white genocide” is a logically impossible one.

    Not at all. Goldberg extols a general demographic takeover by non-whites multiple times in her article (see below). As per “Never Again” concerns, which I think are legit, it’s a possible precursor to genocide and should be recognized as such by those who are against it.

    [MORE]

    I get it. Your standard is the SJW style of argument.

    That’s supposed to be criticism? Both the left and the right can use similar styles of rhetoric. What matters is the content and if the logic holds up.

    I’m perhaps more sympathetic to you guys, as you have no power

    It’s not about sympathy, the subthread is about if a genocidal outcome for whites is a possibility, given the concerns some of us have about demographic change. If you disagree, you should make your case.

    … I am also more exasperated as your lack of power means you need to be smarter to have an influence.

    You forget brute force, of which there is a tremendous latent amount in the United States. The civilian share dwarfs the power of federal, state, and local government.

    Swamping of “white nationalists”.

    Difference without a distinction, according to the strategy Goldberg cites in her article, which lauds the increasing minority share of the electorate. That means swamping whites in general, which of course, is the “white nationalists” main concern in the first place—and a legitimate one from a generally pro-white point of view, I might add.

    Goldberg in the NYT (bold emphasis added by me) :

    For a few hours on Saturday morning, I felt good about America. I was at a smallish rally in the Atlanta suburb of Riverdale, listening to Democratic politicians including Senator Kamala Harris and Georgia’s Stacey Abrams, who could become the first African-American female governor in American history. (…) The crowd stood, applauding and cheering, as Abrams said, “Because this is our Georgia!”

    Abrams’s goal is to put together a coalition of African-American and other minority voters and white liberals. The potential is there; Georgia is less than 53 percent non-Hispanic white. “Georgia is a blue state if everybody votes,” DuBose Porter, chairman of the Democratic Party of Georgia, told me.

    But the forces of democracy are rising, too. In Georgia’s highly diverse Seventh District, Carolyn Bourdeaux, part of the wave of women inspired to run for office by revulsion at Trump, is challenging Representative Rob Woodall, a Republican. Bourdeaux said that the Seventh, a majority-minority district with immigrants from all over the world, has been on the front lines of voter suppression. [Some unintentional irony there, given Sailer’s “foreign ringer” concept of vote dilution.] Nevertheless, her campaign said that early-voting turnout has reached presidential levels.

    So there it is. Maybe you didn’t read the article, but clearly Goldberg approves of a strategy to significantly rely on non-white voters, including non-white immigrants, to outvote whites in favor of a party that is overtly hostile to American whites in general.

    1) I’ve refuted your claim that Goldberg is targeting only “white nationalists,” she’s admittedly rooting for whites in general to lose power.

    2) What is your position on the concept of “Never Again” as it relates to genocide? You vaguely wrote you “disagree with other Jews” regarding Holocaust education.

  495. Mr. Anon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Your motte here is “the Jews”. Your bailey is the “liberal establishment”. The latter is correct and minority Jewish.

    I didn’t even mention Jews in the comment you are replying to.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  496. Mr. Anon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    What is that? Your 200th comment on this thread? Your goal is pretty plain – an extended game of whack-a-mole to prevent anyone from noticing anything about your ethnic group. Your prevarication doesn’t even have the virtue of originality. We’ve all seen all this before, and going back years, at this forum and others.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  497. @Tyrion 2

    “Swamping of “white nationalists”.

    That can’t be her goal, since that’s a phrase that has no meaning unless white nationalists live in canoes.

  498. @Desiderius

    Look, there is something seriously wrong with you if you attack me for being deficient in the areas in which I am the most proficient.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  499. Tyrion 2 says:
    @ben tillman

    Look, there is something seriously wrong with you if you attack me for being deficient in the areas in which I am the most proficient

    Sorry to those I haven’t yet replied to, I had a great week so am enjoying my Friday but this bozo needs a shout out.

    To spell out his message…

    Look, there is something seriously wrong with you if you attack me for being deficient in the areas in which I am the most proficient, incredible intelligence.

    Amazing.

  500. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Mr. Anon

    That’s where the thread started. You’re not bright, as I suspected.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  501. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Too thick to understand? Wonderful. I know I’ve put my points across in good faith. You’re boring me and your opinion is of little consequence. It’d be as easy to mock you as any idiot.

    There are increasingly few non non-player characters. You’re not one of those few. When I was young and less sophisticated I would have just called you uninteresting…boring.

    You’re neither complicated nor right.

    I actually believe people do change. May you not remain that way.

  502. Kevin C. says:
    @ben tillman

    For a generation or two. But each generation, the tax burden will go up, and the income will go down with the result that the situation of their white lineage will regress quickly.

    Except, how many of these people have no kids, no “white lineage” beyond them, and so don’t care what happens in a few generations, after they’re safely dead? Après nous le déluge, and all that.

  503. SMK says: • Website
    @SMK

    Do Goldberg and her ilk and neocons actually believe that transforming the U.S. into a nonwhite-majority country will be “good for the Jews,” especially in the distant future, despite their belief that it will prevent the rise of a Nazi-like regime, a utterly paranoid delusion. Do they actually believe that Jews will be “safer” in a nation and society in which whites are an increasingly smaller minority -40 and then 30 and then 20% of the population?- and thus increasingly dispossessed and persecuted and endangered? Do they actually believe that Jews will have more or as much power and influence, vastly disproportionate for so small a minority, in such a country as they have today and have enjoyed since the defeat of Hitler and the Nazis 0ver 70 years ago? Do they actually believe that a nation ruled by nonwhites will be as willing to fight wars on behalf of Israel and to support Israel rather than the Palestinians, and to given Israel billions of dollars of foreign aid?

    To blacks and brown, Jews are white people with higher average IQs and power and influence that is vastly disproportionate for a ethnic group that is only 3% of the population. To blacks and Mestizos-Amerindians, a paranoid gentile-hating psychotic like Goldberg is just as white as the tens of millions of white gentiles she loathes and excoriates and “Nazis” and “white nationalists.” And Muslims are the worst Jew-haters on earth and will soon be the majority in Western Europe.

  504. SMK says: • Website
    @SMK

    Do Goldberg and her ilk and neocons actually believe that transforming the U.S. into a nonwhite-majority country will be “good for the Jews,” especially in the distant future, despite their belief that it will prevent the rise of a Nazi-like regime, a utterly paranoid delusion. Do they actually believe that Jews will be “safer” in a nation and society in which whites are an increasingly smaller minority -40 and then 30 and then 20% of the population?- and thus increasingly dispossessed and persecuted and endangered? Do they actually believe that Jews will have more or as much power and influence, vastly disproportionate for so small a minority, in such a country as they have today and have enjoyed since the defeat of Hitler and the Nazis 0ver 70 years ago? Do they actually believe that a nation ruled by nonwhites will be as willing to fight wars on behalf of Israel and to support Israel rather than the Palestinians, and to given Israel billions of dollars of foreign aid?

    To blacks and brown, Jews are white people with higher average IQs and power and influence that is vastly disproportionate for a ethnic group that is only 3% of the population. To blacks and Mestizos-Amerindians, a paranoid gentile-hating psychotic like Goldberg is just as white as the tens of millions of white gentiles she loathes and excoriates and “Nazis” and “white nationalists.” And Muslims are the worst Jew-haters on earth and will soon be the majority in Western Europe.

  505. Tyrion 2 says:
    @notanon

    But they’re not genocidally anti-white. You’ve lost the plot. And I’m not defending Jews, I’m defending common sense.

    • Replies: @notanon
  506. notanon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    if there’s only two options

    1) Jews are blah blah blah
    and
    2) Jews dindu nuffin
    and every day the US media refutes option (2) then people are left with option (1)

    better off coming up with an option (3) imo

    your mileage may vary

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  507. @Corvinus

    You missed my point. Or, maybe you didn’t and believe that everyone should subject themselves to psychopaths and sociopaths…

  508. bomag says:
    @Moshe

    My point to the various Jews here is that they are losers for attempting to impress upon their enemies that they too support citizenist policies and that, in fact, Jews-qua-Jews generally do.

    Too harsh. The world is a toggle between cooperation and antagonism.

    Jews are accused of viewing the world as one long hunger games; I don’t see where it hurts to form an advantageous alliance once in awhile.

  509. Mr. Anon says:
    @Tyrion 2

    That’s where the thread started.

    No, this is my first reply to your post:

    “What America was in 1960, and what most all Americans believed at that time, would today be called “white nationalism”, by virtually every Democratic Party office-holder and apparatchik.”

    No mention of any particular ethnic group.

    You were wrong. Or you were lying.

    You’re not bright, as I suspected.

    Given the stupid errors you’ve made in misquoting people here, I should suspect the same about you.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  510. Tyrion 2 says:
    @notanon

    The one thing you can’t accept is that Jews are pretty ordinary. You’ve fantasised them into your great enemy to give you some meaning in life. You can work out the rest…

    • Replies: @Svigor
  511. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Mr. Anon

    You interjected on a thread I had with Rosie. I took your interjection as one in good faith and on topic, rather than just incoherent non-following garbage. Now you tell me it was the latter…

    I’m starting to think that troll who went on and on about “white trashionalists” was right.

  512. Svigor says:
    @Tyrion 2

    They’re not ordinary. 75% voted against Trump (2nd only to Blacks), they’re in lockstep against any inkling of White ethnostates, and meanwhile broadly support the extant white ethnostate for themselves.

    That’s just the TL;DR version; Jews are profoundly different.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  513. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Svigor

    broadly support the extant white ethnostate for themselves.

    You’ve obviously never been to Israel.

    They’re not ordinary. 75% voted against Trump (2nd only to Blacks), they’re in lockstep against any inkling of White ethnostates

    You’ve just described the urban middle and upper-middle classes in America and Western Europe.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  514. Svigor says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Never been to the Moon, either, but I know it’s made of rock and has White guys’ shoeprints on it.

    You’ve just described the urban middle and upper-middle classes in America and Western Europe.

    First of all, no, urban middle and upper-middle class Whites in America and Western Europe don’t have an ethnostate for themselves, that they broadly support. This is like the difference between communism and National Socialism; quite profound.

    That said; Jews seem to have settled on this as their most refined version of “Jews dindunuffin.”

    As if giving us the demographic or socioeconomic traits of Jews explains everything away, and *poof* no more Jewish problem.

    The differences I describe remain.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  515. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Svigor

    You can pretend that Israel is some sort of ethno-state. It doesn’t really matter. It only discredits you with the minority of the population who have been there and believe their lying eyes.

    But pretending that Jews are pulling the strings in favour of progressivism discredits you with the Gentile majority of the elite. They all know you’re wrong.

    If your ideology cannot conceive of the fact that when I go to social occasions and speak to no Jews I still cannot even begin to speak freely as regards my very moderate nationalist views then you’ll remain incredibly marginal…

    • Replies: @Svigor
  516. Svigor says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Don’t you live in the UK? Why should I give a flying fuck what happens at your social gatherings?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  517. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Svigor

    I’ve been to events in the US. It is much the same among the same crowd. Look at Washington DC’s vote in 2016:

    Clinton: 282,830
    Trump: 12,723.

    And that’s hardly for a platform of the sort you’d write…Trump, despite absurd NYT hyperbole, is a very moderate politician with constant appeals to unity and tolerance.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  518. Svigor says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Yeah that’s why Mitt Romney’s president now.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  519. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Svigor

    I have no idea how your point follows. Would you explain it?

    Also, Romney lost to Obama, and, other than both having cool, all year round tans, Obama and Trump share one thing in common: they both beat Hilary “it’s my turn now” Clinton.

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