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The New York Times Opinion section explains that vote fraud is practically impossible because it would require a large number of people working together to win elections with machine-like coordination: a “political machine” if you can imagine such a thing.

But, of course, political machines don’t exist.

Republicans Claim Voter Fraud. How Would That Work?

Stealing a presidential election requires an unrealistic level of planning, coordination and good luck.

By John Mark Hansen
Mr. Hansen is a political scientist at the University of Chicago.

Nov. 4, 2020

Fraud on a scale to affect a presidential election, or even to tip one state, would require planning, coordination, good luck and a high tolerance for risk. The chances of pulling it off are extremely slim.

Such a nefarious plot would require the foresight, many weeks or even months in advance, to know to focus the effort on Pennsylvania. The plotters might hedge their bets by targeting multiple states, but that just makes the effort more expensive, risky and difficult.

A conspiracy to fix the 2020 election in Pennsylvania would also need to muster tens of thousands of votes. In 2016, almost 6.2 million Pennsylvanians cast ballots for the presidency. Donald Trump won by 44,292 votes, 0.7 percent of the total.

Suppose the conspirators somehow knew this year that Pennsylvania would be tied but for their efforts. For the sake of argument, let’s say they decided to marshal 62,000 fraudulent votes, roughly 1 percent of the 2016 total and twice the 0.5 percent margin that sets off an automatic recount. (Even that seems to cut things a little close.)

How hard could it be to order up 62,000 illegal ballots?

The chance that 62,000 Biden supporters in Pennsylvania would spontaneously vote with a second, illegal ballot, either in person or by mail, is effectively zero. It’s hard to believe any voters would expose themselves to the risk of felony prosecution, fines and imprisonment, with no knowledge of whether anybody else was doing so too, in order to bring the Democrats one vote closer to victory in Pennsylvania. A fraud of the necessary size would have to be organized.

And how might that work?

Maybe a fraud mastermind would recruit a thousand accomplices, each of whom would generate 62 illegal ballots. All thousand of them would have to risk their reputation, resources and freedom to beat Donald Trump in Pennsylvania. They would have to be able to keep their work secret then and for all time — and trust their thousand co-conspirators to do the same.

The work of the thousand fraud wranglers would itself require a lot of ingenuity and a big dollop of luck. They might each try to persuade 62 people to vote a second time, but it would be a hard sell.

The recruits wouldn’t want to vote both in person and by mail, given how easy it is for election authorities to detect it. And unless they happen to be registered in two jurisdictions, they can’t vote in more than one — and they risk prosecution if they do. The conspirators would also have to gamble that none of the 62 (or more) people they contact is a secret Trump supporter or a Biden supporter with a healthy conscience.

Alternatively, the conspirators might each impersonate 62 legal voters

This U. of Chicago professor should have run his op-ed past a Chicago oldtimer.

Dan Webb, the United States Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois in 1981-1985, estimated that both the 1982 Illinois gubernatorial election and the 1987 Chicago Democratic mayoral primary (Harold Washington vs. Jane Byrne) saw perhaps 100,000 fraudulent votes in each.

I’m not sure if I believe that 100k figure: that would have been almost 3% of the 3.6 million votes cast statewide in 1982 and 9% of the 1.1 million votes counted in the 1987 Chicago Democratic primary.

On the other hand, 1987 was an important election, with many Chicagoans seeing it as a question of whether Chicago would follow Detroit into permanent black rule.

On the other other hand, the 1982 gubernatorial election was just two normal white guys, Big Jim Thompson for the GOP vs. Adlai Stevenson III for the Dems. Yet there was still massive vote fraud by Cook County Democrats, with the Democrats closing a 10 point gap in the polls until after days of counting, the DuPage County Republicans suddenly discovered about 5000 net votes for the GOP that had somehow been overlooked in all the excitement.

About 5 dozen party operatives were convicted of 1982 vote fraud. Here’s the grand jury’s report:

The 1982 Illinois governor election is striking because it falsifies some realistic-sounding theories minimizing the significance of vote fraud, such as:

  • “Well, sure, it makes sense to cheat in a low turnout election like a primary or a school board special election, but nobody would cheat in a giant statewide election with 3 or 4 million ballots being cast.”
  • “Well, sure, it makes sense to cheat in a contest that will determine whether your city will become the New Detroit or not, or whether Literal Hitler will be stopped before he launches a New Holocaust, but nobody would cheat a lot when the opponent is just a conventional Republican.”
  • “Well, sure, it makes sense to cheat when the race is very, very close, but nobody would cheat when the Republican is a mile ahead in the polls and it would be really obvious you are trying to steal the election.”

Now I’m certain it’s true that in the 38 years since this 1982 scandal, Reforms Have Been Made (although they didn’t see to do much good in 1987). But, for some reason, PBS doesn’t run many documentaries celebrating the long slow struggle by honest suburban Republican voters to escape from their oppression by cheating urban Democrats, so I’m unfamiliar with the details.

But in 2020 The Establishment should at least reassure us that, “Well, sure, back in the bad old days the Rust Belt Democratic machines used to engage in vote fraud on a massive scale at times, but that couldn’t possibly happen anymore because of reasons. Therefore, your bringing up the giant Chicago scandals of the 1980s is almost as irrelevant to 2020 as, say, somebody bringing up Emmett Till from 1955, if you can imagine anyone doing such a thing.”

After all, the saintliest man of all time, Barack Obama, was a Chicago politician. Indeed, he moved to Chicago in 1985 with the intent of someday becoming mayor of Chicago, so if that’s not proof of how honest 1980s elections in Chicago were, I don’t know what is.

Seriously, my guess is that it will ultimately turn out that Biden will win by enough votes in enough states that the overall election result will have been honest.

But, c’mon, don’t yank our chain about how it’s crazy to worry that Democrats might cheat. They’ve done it before, over and over.

 
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  1. Tammany Hall didn’t have Diebold, Google, Twitter, Facebook, a Clinton-consolidated, monolithic MSM, NSA-backed social credit scoring, and illiterate teachers and tranny clowns instructing first-graders, and they did purty good. Skynet is president now.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Bard of Bumperstickers

    Also don't forget, the CIA knows a thing or two about fixing elections and is overtly anti-Trump and pro-Dem.

    Even if the CIA would never officially involve itself, there are plenty of ex-CIA spooks around (with security clearances) to work as paid consultants. Just ask Brennan and Clapper at CNN.

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers

    , @Fluesterwitz
    @Bard of Bumperstickers

    I find baffling that the alleged means of fraud all appear somewhat quaint as if it was the 1920s rather than 2020. Party machines, paper ballots, manually invalidating votes; have computers been made safe against manipulation in the last couple of years and I just didn't get the email behind my firewall?

  2. I am shocked. Why such information has not been disseminated long before the election? By Trump himself, but by iSteve and alternative media?
    So in rare cases people were punished for voter fraud? And how many people obviously committed voter fraud but were not punished?
    Even well informed anti-Leftists like us are baffled we did not know this.
    Precautions should have been proposed and meticulously documented.

    Is voter fraud really a 100% “democrat” issue? Only Leftists engage in voter fraud?

    Our site’s main issue is about the anti-racist PC Gag order, that mandates to lie (by omission) about black crime and other “minority” flaws.
    The foundation of the Left is lying and immorality for the good purpose of disenfranchising “racists” and “nazis” and “deplorables” in order to bring about a leftist social justice paradise.

    This attitude seems to extend to election fraud for good purposes.

    To change this we need to insist on total honesty and shun every single lie (fool me twice, shame on me)
    We need a radical

    TruthRevolution.net

    • Replies: @Polynikes
    @SINCERITY.net

    Voter fraud has been a central issue at the state level for a long time. And democrats, with their “soros funded”* lawyers, fight measures to prevent it at every turn. They do so on the back of the ‘65 civil rights act. Voter ID is a basic tenet of election security in any first world country and Dems eschew this precaution and fight it wherever republicans try and instate it.

    I don’t expect everyone to know every single issue, but this one is quite easy to read about if you are so inclined.

    *soros really does fund many of these liberal “public advocacy” firms but he’s not the only one, so it’s unfair to solely blame him. Lots of tech billionaires get in on the legal carnage too.

    , @TomSchmidt
    @SINCERITY.net


    Is voter fraud really a 100% “democrat” issue? Only Leftists engage in voter fraud?
     
    I was told the tale, by a woman who was the daughter of a Man who did it, of the former Republican machine in Troy, NY, closely watching the election returns from downstate, and feeding in enough votes to offset some amount of Tammany Cheating. But this would have been more than 60 years ago, and Troy is majority minority today.
    , @Edwina
    @SINCERITY.net

    The left by definition is not democratic. Their aim is to replace the Christian (and, in Europe, hereditary elite) with an atheist ideological elite. In perpetuity. They Believe. Just as those who believed America was the new zion and that Manifest Destiny legitimised the replacement of a former way of life, so too a world government regime is a promised land for those on the left.

  3. Fraudsters stealing the election for Biden would operate just like Antifa, ISIS, or the Lucchese crime family. With total deniability that there is a top down conspiracy.

    • Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers
    @JimB

    A Serb warns us to fight our stolen elections. He's begging Americans to fight back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=748_YY0TB6E&feature=emb_title
    Found @ Lew Rockwell's (of course)

    “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” ~ Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956

  4. Indeed, he moved to Chicago in 1985 with the intent of someday becoming mayor of Chicago,

    Excellent post overall. Did you mean “intention”?

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    @Anonymous


    Excellent post overall. Did you mean “intention”?
     
    There's not a lot of difference between the two...

    https://www.learnersdictionary.com/qa/intent-and-intention
    , @Almost Missouri
    @Anonymous

    That may or may not have been his intent.

    But he probably did mean "seem":


    they didn’t see[m] to do much good in 1987
     
  5. The thing about the allegations of vote fraud is that they emerge from the fact that Trump’s election was never accepted as legitimate and the establishment spent 4 years making it clear they were out to get Trump.

    This coupled with the massive amounts of absentee voting due to covid and you have the perfect storm. Because this outcome can seem plausible enough in either reality. The lockdowns and extra time and effort to get people to vote mean a massive turnout and a massive turnout in cohorts in favour of Biden. And the order they were counted in some states meant they came in a massive bunch and often late into the night.

    Thus whether the election was stolen or not, it would look very very similar.

    I also don’t think it would require that many people to do this, with all the stuff going on with absentee ballots and cover from the media, people would likely go along with it and dismiss anything that looked slightly odd.

    But again, if the results had come in normally and there was no count stop, would anyone think there was anything amiss? Trump lost his share among white males and turnout among non-whites was massively greater even if he won more of them, they were still majority against him and came out in much greater numbers.

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Altai

    Some of the most interesting evidence of intent does come from Google trend searches.

    https://twitter.com/SelinaDavis73/status/1325001526620819457

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers

    , @Thoughts
    @Altai

    Ugh your rationality is so far off

    Go join the dems if you are not one already

    , @James Speaks
    @Altai

    Q: If Sally, Ted, and Bill can falsify 1,260 votes per hour, how manyhours does it take LaQuan, Jamal, Fukeisha, S'alee (Sally), Nuyaqwana and Riquan to falsify 125,000 ballots?

    A: 198 hours because they work at a slower pace and you have to retrain them every fifteen minutes.

    , @res
    @Altai


    Trump lost his share among white males
     
    Everybody seems to be taking that exit poll result as an article of faith. How much good evidence is there that this is really true?

    turnout among non-whites was massively greater
     
    Than when Obama ran?! Does that make sense?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Corn, @Tlotsi

    , @Excal
    @Altai

    How exactly do we know that Trump lost all this support among white males?

    Same polls that predicted a giant Biden sweep? Exit polls, which, as everyone knows, all Trump voters eagerly answer with doe-eyed honesty?

    Or are they collecting demographic information with secret ballots now?

    , @Ben tillman
    @Altai

    Trump did not “lose his share among white males”.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  6. NYT: Do You Really Believe Your Lying Eyes?

  7. @Altai
    The thing about the allegations of vote fraud is that they emerge from the fact that Trump's election was never accepted as legitimate and the establishment spent 4 years making it clear they were out to get Trump.

    This coupled with the massive amounts of absentee voting due to covid and you have the perfect storm. Because this outcome can seem plausible enough in either reality. The lockdowns and extra time and effort to get people to vote mean a massive turnout and a massive turnout in cohorts in favour of Biden. And the order they were counted in some states meant they came in a massive bunch and often late into the night.

    Thus whether the election was stolen or not, it would look very very similar.

    I also don't think it would require that many people to do this, with all the stuff going on with absentee ballots and cover from the media, people would likely go along with it and dismiss anything that looked slightly odd.

    But again, if the results had come in normally and there was no count stop, would anyone think there was anything amiss? Trump lost his share among white males and turnout among non-whites was massively greater even if he won more of them, they were still majority against him and came out in much greater numbers.

    Replies: @Altai, @Thoughts, @James Speaks, @res, @Excal, @Ben tillman

    Some of the most interesting evidence of intent does come from Google trend searches.

    • Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers
    @Altai

    Biden may be hiding in the basement . . . of a mortuary?

    Biden “victory” speech: was Joe even there or was it a deception? https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/11/07/biden-victory-speech-was-joe-even-there-or-was-it-a-deception/

    President-elect Max Headroom? This isn't your father's president's teleprompter . . . The first CGI president? WTF is going on here? Nothing wackier than everything else we're expected to swallow. Diebold, meet Industrial Light and Magic. The Empire Strikes Black.

  8. Rubin makes it very clear that the doors to “polite society” are being closed to aspirants. This is one of Peter Turchin’s preconditions for disintegrative stage of a nation.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Hangnail Hans

    Rubin is like the proverbial Broadway understudy putting Ex-Lax in female rivals’ tea and tampering with their car’s brake lines, etc. What she fails to understand is that she’s the understudy for a reason.

  9. There was fraud alright, but it may not have been via the election. it came in the form of politicizing the virus and exaggerating its threat, forcing Trump to shut down the economy. It was further exacerbated by the media hyping the deaths of blacks while being apprehended by police and fanning the flames of racial conflict. It was ramped up even more by the media refusing to do any kind of investigative reporting on the Biden family’s crimes. After four years of the Dems and NeverTrumpers using one battering ram after another to oust Trump from office, to no avail, they finally appear to have hit on a combination of things that will work.

  10. “they risk prosecution” HA! HA! HA! that’s very funny,like a democrat would ever be charged with voter fraud. Biden and the Clintons have been openly taking bribes for years and if any of them spend a day in jail I will eat my hat.

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @tyrone

    Yeah, this professor is just another gaslighter.

  11. Indeed, reforms have been made since 1982: they’ve become even more efficient at it.

    Perhaps a little too efficient.

  12. Jews got away with the following:

    -USS Liberty
    -Vastly exaggerating Holocaust
    -911
    -No WMDs in Iraq
    -Assassinating Jeffrey Epstein
    -Rigging the Iowa caucus against Bernie Sanders

    Maybe they felt emboldened enough to do something on this scale?

    Given how berserk Trump has driven them, this wouldn’t surprise me.

    I remember on election night, all these Democrats were freaking out on TV and Twitter. Then suddenly, during the super late night hours, Biden began unexpectedly surging.

    When Toobin and those other Jews were war gaming election night, they were pre planning how to steal the election in the event of a Trump victory.

    Sadly, there is a reasonably good chance that the Jews will get away with this.

    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Troll: IHTG
    • Replies: @Thoughts
    @JohnnyWalker123

    There is no reason why they should win

    And yes that Gessin war game thing was a huuuuuuge heads up

    , @Anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Jews got away with the following:

    -911
     
    Jews didn’t carry out the 911 airplane bombings.

    But they did cause them, by weaponizing the United States for the Jewish conquest of Palestine.
    , @Hugo Silva
    @JohnnyWalker123

    There are plenty of Jews supporting Trump, starting by his daughter.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Peter Akuleyev

    , @Corvinus
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Your handlers are so proud that you go all loose cannon. Demand a raise!

  13. @Anonymous

    Indeed, he moved to Chicago in 1985 with the intent of someday becoming mayor of Chicago,
     
    Excellent post overall. Did you mean “intention”?

    Replies: @slumber_j, @Almost Missouri

    Excellent post overall. Did you mean “intention”?

    There’s not a lot of difference between the two…

    https://www.learnersdictionary.com/qa/intent-and-intention

  14. Illegally selling liquor in the 1920s would have required a high degree of coordination. Setting up saloons disguised as ice cream parlors, bribing police, rural sheriffs and urban politicians, etc.

    • Agree: Coemgen, James Forrestal
    • Thanks: Ron Mexico
    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @James Forrestal
    @Hibernian


    Illegally selling liquor in the 1920s would have required a high degree of coordination. Setting up saloons disguised as ice cream parlors, bribing police, rural sheriffs and urban politicians, etc.
     
    Exactly. Clearly, bootleg liquor was a just a "conspiracy theory!"

    Someone should tell the (((Bronfmans))) -- and Cindy McCain (how did her dad Jim Hensley make his money again?)
  15. Well, the first three insurance policies:

    1. The Crossfire Hurricane investigation
    2. The Mueller Special Counsel
    3. The impeachment

    all took a considerable amount of partisan coordination and (taxpayer) money and all failed.

    It’s no surprise that the fourth “insurance policy” would be a step-up in effort.

    When the impeachment turned into testimony against the Bidens instead of against Trump, it became a desperate situation for the Democrat/globalists.

    What will they do if the fourth “insurance policy” fails?

  16. No one with half a brain could think Joe was elected honestly

    You do not lose Texas, Florida, and Ohio and win Penn

    This needs to be fought and hard

    It is interesting that iSteve has turned into a place of people who believe the election results

    No surprise though

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Thoughts

    Is it possible Pennsylvania union activists see their long term interests w/ Democrats even if they don’t necessarily like/respect Biden? Despite endless Salena Zito thumbsucker articles I’m not convinced they or western N.Y. are as culturally rednecked as Ohio and the lower Midwest. And Trump is after all a metropolitan developer who only won PA, MI, and WI because a crucial fraction of Blacks and/or fraudsters weren’t excited by Hillary. The boilermaker guild guy was being talked up by Fox News et al. as a Trump endorser when in fact his local did not publicly endorse either.

    We saw that Trumps progress in MN over 4 years was quite overrated. The closer to Canada, the less automatic benefit from social-conservative issues. It was called a Blue Wall for a reason.

    Replies: @Edwina

    , @James Forrestal
    @Thoughts


    No one with half a brain could think Joe was elected honestly

    You do not lose Texas, Florida, and Ohio and win Penn
     
    Seems unlikely. Along the same lines -- Bellwether counties 1956-2020:


    https://i.postimg.cc/FzYW9Zv3/Bellwethers-Results-2020.jpg

    Replies: @res

    , @No0biE
    @Thoughts

    There is a lot of credulity here towards Corona-panic also, not to mention a haughty attitude towards the working class. They will probably enjoy many aspects of a Biden presidency.

  17. @JohnnyWalker123
    Jews got away with the following:

    -USS Liberty
    -Vastly exaggerating Holocaust
    -911
    -No WMDs in Iraq
    -Assassinating Jeffrey Epstein
    -Rigging the Iowa caucus against Bernie Sanders

    Maybe they felt emboldened enough to do something on this scale?

    Given how berserk Trump has driven them, this wouldn't surprise me.

    I remember on election night, all these Democrats were freaking out on TV and Twitter. Then suddenly, during the super late night hours, Biden began unexpectedly surging.

    When Toobin and those other Jews were war gaming election night, they were pre planning how to steal the election in the event of a Trump victory.

    Sadly, there is a reasonably good chance that the Jews will get away with this.

    Replies: @Thoughts, @Anonymous, @Hugo Silva, @Corvinus

    There is no reason why they should win

    And yes that Gessin war game thing was a huuuuuuge heads up

  18. @Altai
    The thing about the allegations of vote fraud is that they emerge from the fact that Trump's election was never accepted as legitimate and the establishment spent 4 years making it clear they were out to get Trump.

    This coupled with the massive amounts of absentee voting due to covid and you have the perfect storm. Because this outcome can seem plausible enough in either reality. The lockdowns and extra time and effort to get people to vote mean a massive turnout and a massive turnout in cohorts in favour of Biden. And the order they were counted in some states meant they came in a massive bunch and often late into the night.

    Thus whether the election was stolen or not, it would look very very similar.

    I also don't think it would require that many people to do this, with all the stuff going on with absentee ballots and cover from the media, people would likely go along with it and dismiss anything that looked slightly odd.

    But again, if the results had come in normally and there was no count stop, would anyone think there was anything amiss? Trump lost his share among white males and turnout among non-whites was massively greater even if he won more of them, they were still majority against him and came out in much greater numbers.

    Replies: @Altai, @Thoughts, @James Speaks, @res, @Excal, @Ben tillman

    Ugh your rationality is so far off

    Go join the dems if you are not one already

  19. A couple of thoughts:

    If you’ve built up a strong stomach for Fake News like I have it’s easy to see their narrative weaving in real-time.

    The method to my madness is to assume Where there’s a will there’s a way, and try to reverse engineer their malefactions.

    The Election Day exit polls for Democrat media, crassly in my view, tried to lay the narrative predicate for high inner city turnout in all the right places. After a day of reporting few long lines or high turnout by all those Trump voters hankering to die of the Covid by voting in person, CNN started reporting exit polls claiming the top issue for Biden voters was “Racial inequality” or, per the nice black lady in this segment, “racial inequity:”

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-exit-poll-finds-biggest-issue-for-trump-voters-is-the-economy-biden-voters-is-racial-inequality/

    This strikes me as their last minute need to explain high black turnout (in all the right places) on Election Day.

    We know that it didn’t go according to the Democrat (and their Allied Media) plan in the final week nor on Election Day. Otherwise they wouldn’t have played their Fox/Arizona card and shut down the tabulation for the night so they could regroup and figure out a Plan B. There is no way in the world that they wanted to have to rely on PA to put Sleepy Joe over the top. It just required to much stealing and rather obviously so.

    Now Plan B seems to be hitting some rough sledding. Their intent to declare Biden the winner by Friday — telegraphed by Fake News CNN and MSDNC shouting about how GA was controlled by Republicans — came a cropper.

    Give Trump AK and NC. If the latter weren’t a bridge too far they wouldn’t have stopped their tabulating/reporting. That gives Trump 232 to Biden’s 253. The Democrats are in real trouble if they’re wholly reliant on PA as we enter the litigation phase. I’m assuming they’ll succeed in stealing enough in NV so they’ll have to win either AZ or GA to avoid relying on PA.

    • Replies: @MLK
    @MLK

    So my view at this point is that PA is a can of worms the Democrats are desperate not to have opened.

    That means they need two of NV, AZ and GA. The problem being that there is undoubtably massive voter fraud in all three.

    A big factor is on which party has time on their side. In my view this emphatically switched to Republicans when the Democrats and their Allied Media couldn't declare Biden the winner by last night.

    Republicans now have had plenty of time to investigate and get prepared for the litigation phase and this even before one or the other is declared the winner and we proceed through the inevitable re-canvases and recounts.

    The most significant next turn of the screw is, as I mentioned above, whether the Democrats are going to have to rely on PA and whether they even will if they have to. I will not be at all surprised, if the Democrats can be declared the winner in two or three of NV, GA, and AZ, if they simply let PA go to Trump rather than pursue those electoral votes to the bitter end.

    Replies: @MLK

  20. CNN is saying that the Allegheny count is slow because they are making sure the last 20,000 haven’t already been counted. Huh? And the remaining ballots in philly have bar codes in the wrong place, or other errors. Or something like that.

  21. The letter is not meant to reassure the public, but to reassure people predisposed to “see no evil”.
    The media is engaged in sophistic lying by setting up straw men to knock down. Personally, I mock their inability to understand the question and ask rhetorically if stupidity or perfidy is the more charitable explanation?

    I recommend the Dick Feynman “0-ring” approach. A simple demonstration that trashes the narrative. Any suggestions?

    Regarding PA, my first inclination is to examine the mail in ballots for photocopying. That’s the easiest way to duplicate ballots at scale. Check for identical ballots, photocopy artifacts, the ink/toner used, the type of paper.

    A alternative is that actual ballots were filled out by hand, so hundreds must have used the same pen and hand. Checking this may be possible, but is likely impractical.

    Next, I would statistically check the provenance of the mail in votes. If fraud was at scale, more then a few should turn up as people who had moved, died, or were in nursing homes. It only takes a few to move the needle from unsubstantiated allegation to Prima Facie.

    I’m no expert in voting security, so I am no doubt missing something. However, I’d be satisfied as long as an honest effort was made to verify that the vote was outside the margin of fraud.

  22. Such a nefarious plot would require the foresight, many weeks or even months in advance…

    Yeah, I mean, who knew an election was coming up in 2020?

    The plotters might hedge their bets by targeting multiple states…

    Yeah and who could have foreseen which states would be swing states?

    The chance that 62,000 Biden supporters in Pennsylvania would spontaneously vote with a second, illegal ballot…

    As Steve, I and others have long said, retail cheating is for chumps.

    Pros steal wholesale.

    At this, Dems are pros.

    Really, anyone working in Chicago should know better. John Mark Hansen should be evicted from the city for dishonoring the memory of so many heroic campaigns.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • LOL: Rosie
  23. Applying benfords law to the election dataset

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1324536420992733185.html

    • Replies: @res
    @Zoodles

    Thanks for the link.

    First, anyone who presents a data analysis without giving the source of their data should be treated with extreme skepticism. I was unable to find the data sources on that page, did I miss them?

    Does anyone have the data for Philadelphia or Chicago? I have already looked at Detroit and Milwaukee.

    Second, for Detroit and Milwaukee it appears likely much of the issue is with the non-random nature of precinct/ward sizes. For example, Milwaukee precincts tend to be between 400 and 2000 voters which skews the registered voter and Biden (since he got >90% many places) numbers, but not Trump's numbers so much since his vote percentage was small enough the skewed precinct sizes did not affect his first digits as much.

    Discussed more here and in following comments.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/by-any-means-necessary-2/#comment-4265751

  24. @Anonymous

    Indeed, he moved to Chicago in 1985 with the intent of someday becoming mayor of Chicago,
     
    Excellent post overall. Did you mean “intention”?

    Replies: @slumber_j, @Almost Missouri

    That may or may not have been his intent.

    But he probably did mean “seem”:

    they didn’t see[m] to do much good in 1987

    • Agree: botazefa
  25. BTW, a recognized expert in the field of political corruption was quoted on this topic just the other day. Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Mr. Rod Blagojevich!

  26. @MLK
    A couple of thoughts:

    If you've built up a strong stomach for Fake News like I have it's easy to see their narrative weaving in real-time.

    The method to my madness is to assume Where there's a will there's a way, and try to reverse engineer their malefactions.

    The Election Day exit polls for Democrat media, crassly in my view, tried to lay the narrative predicate for high inner city turnout in all the right places. After a day of reporting few long lines or high turnout by all those Trump voters hankering to die of the Covid by voting in person, CNN started reporting exit polls claiming the top issue for Biden voters was "Racial inequality" or, per the nice black lady in this segment, "racial inequity:"

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-exit-poll-finds-biggest-issue-for-trump-voters-is-the-economy-biden-voters-is-racial-inequality/

    This strikes me as their last minute need to explain high black turnout (in all the right places) on Election Day.

    We know that it didn't go according to the Democrat (and their Allied Media) plan in the final week nor on Election Day. Otherwise they wouldn't have played their Fox/Arizona card and shut down the tabulation for the night so they could regroup and figure out a Plan B. There is no way in the world that they wanted to have to rely on PA to put Sleepy Joe over the top. It just required to much stealing and rather obviously so.

    Now Plan B seems to be hitting some rough sledding. Their intent to declare Biden the winner by Friday -- telegraphed by Fake News CNN and MSDNC shouting about how GA was controlled by Republicans -- came a cropper.

    Give Trump AK and NC. If the latter weren't a bridge too far they wouldn't have stopped their tabulating/reporting. That gives Trump 232 to Biden's 253. The Democrats are in real trouble if they're wholly reliant on PA as we enter the litigation phase. I'm assuming they'll succeed in stealing enough in NV so they'll have to win either AZ or GA to avoid relying on PA.

    Replies: @MLK

    So my view at this point is that PA is a can of worms the Democrats are desperate not to have opened.

    That means they need two of NV, AZ and GA. The problem being that there is undoubtably massive voter fraud in all three.

    A big factor is on which party has time on their side. In my view this emphatically switched to Republicans when the Democrats and their Allied Media couldn’t declare Biden the winner by last night.

    Republicans now have had plenty of time to investigate and get prepared for the litigation phase and this even before one or the other is declared the winner and we proceed through the inevitable re-canvases and recounts.

    The most significant next turn of the screw is, as I mentioned above, whether the Democrats are going to have to rely on PA and whether they even will if they have to. I will not be at all surprised, if the Democrats can be declared the winner in two or three of NV, GA, and AZ, if they simply let PA go to Trump rather than pursue those electoral votes to the bitter end.

    • Replies: @MLK
    @MLK

    Okay, since I wrote this the Democrats had their Allied Media (Fox included) pull the trigger, declaring Sleepy Joe the winner in PA and thus President-Elect.

    I maintain what I said earlier, this was out of necessity given the trend in AZ.

    Amusingly, before they did so Fake News CNN had removed AK and NC -- the two states Trump is ahead in --from their 1/3 of the screen chart of states not called.

    They needed to move before they risked a shift back in the narrative.

    Believe me, I'm not in the least saying Trump has the upper hand. Just that under the totality of their vote steal in progress PA wasn't the state they wanted to use to put Sleepy Joe over the top.

    It's impossible to overstate how important the results out of AZ have become. IF called for Trump, there's a good likelihood of a wholesale narrative shift if AK and NC are thereafter. It's a straight-up battle over PA if GA is as well.

    Meanwhile, Trump is cool as a cucumber, which has to be driving the Democrats and their Allied Media insane:

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/trump-heads-golf-bidens-hopes-become-president-fade-despite-amazing-charisma/

    Replies: @syonredux

  27. What risk? The coup plotters (Comey et al) suffered no ill consequences in four years under a Republican President. The Biden “justice” department sure as hell isn’t going to punish the people that put him in the White House.

    • Replies: @Polynikes
    @International Jew

    This is an important point. They illegally spied on a campaign in a manner that would make Nixon blush. Then they used falsified information to impeach a President. That’s after they used the superdelegates to kill dead in the water Bernies campaign. There was literally no ill consequences for any of it. Why stop? Why not crank it up higher? The bureaucracy supports them wholesale.

  28. We’re supposed to believe the Democrats are competent enough to run the government, but not rig an election?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Redneck farmer


    We’re supposed to believe the Democrats are competent enough to run the government, but not rig an election?

     

    And hand the nuclear codes to an Alzheimer's patient who breaks the age record on his first day.
    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Redneck farmer


    We’re supposed to believe the Democrats are competent enough to run the government, but not rig an election?
     
    Isn't it funny to watch the Left, who has spewed, "America sucks!" rhetoric for years now try to pivot into selling the idea we have the fairest, most transparent electoral system in the world?
    , @Wade Hampton
    @Redneck farmer

    We already knew modern (i.e. Obama era) Dems are not competent to run a government. Does it surprise anybody that they were unable to commit a convincing fraud?

    And is it only stupid, gullible people who read the NYT anymore?

  29. @SINCERITY.net
    I am shocked. Why such information has not been disseminated long before the election? By Trump himself, but by iSteve and alternative media?
    So in rare cases people were punished for voter fraud? And how many people obviously committed voter fraud but were not punished?
    Even well informed anti-Leftists like us are baffled we did not know this.
    Precautions should have been proposed and meticulously documented.

    Is voter fraud really a 100% “democrat” issue? Only Leftists engage in voter fraud?

    Our site’s main issue is about the anti-racist PC Gag order, that mandates to lie (by omission) about black crime and other “minority” flaws.
    The foundation of the Left is lying and immorality for the good purpose of disenfranchising “racists” and “nazis” and “deplorables” in order to bring about a leftist social justice paradise.

    This attitude seems to extend to election fraud for good purposes.

    To change this we need to insist on total honesty and shun every single lie (fool me twice, shame on me)
    We need a radical

    TruthRevolution.net

    Replies: @Polynikes, @TomSchmidt, @Edwina

    Voter fraud has been a central issue at the state level for a long time. And democrats, with their “soros funded”* lawyers, fight measures to prevent it at every turn. They do so on the back of the ‘65 civil rights act. Voter ID is a basic tenet of election security in any first world country and Dems eschew this precaution and fight it wherever republicans try and instate it.

    I don’t expect everyone to know every single issue, but this one is quite easy to read about if you are so inclined.

    *soros really does fund many of these liberal “public advocacy” firms but he’s not the only one, so it’s unfair to solely blame him. Lots of tech billionaires get in on the legal carnage too.

    • Agree: Dissident
    • Thanks: Unladen Swallow
  30. A good read. I have to question what has happened in a man’s life that makes the job of driving around homeless drunks in his own car to get them to vote worth it. I know they won’t do it, but if Mr. Hansen is truly this ignorant of the history of voter fraud in Chicago, he has no business being a political scientist at the University of Chicago. They should fire him.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Barnard

    University of Chicago types were reformers until Harold Washington was elected Mayor in 1983.

    , @Ben tillman
    @Barnard

    We’re not talking about “voter” fraud. We’re talking about vote fraud or vote-counting fraud or vote fabrication. But you’re right. The professor is incompetent or lying, and either way he should not be at the U. Of Chicago.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  31. Election fraud isn’t an organisation, it’s an idea.

    • Thanks: V. Hickel
    • LOL: Libre
  32. @International Jew
    What risk? The coup plotters (Comey et al) suffered no ill consequences in four years under a Republican President. The Biden "justice" department sure as hell isn't going to punish the people that put him in the White House.

    Replies: @Polynikes

    This is an important point. They illegally spied on a campaign in a manner that would make Nixon blush. Then they used falsified information to impeach a President. That’s after they used the superdelegates to kill dead in the water Bernies campaign. There was literally no ill consequences for any of it. Why stop? Why not crank it up higher? The bureaucracy supports them wholesale.

  33. Biden’s totals in the city of Philadelphia are actually worse than Clinton’s. Biden’s gains have been in suburban areas like Allegheny county. This is a pretty sophisticated conspiracy that Steve believes in. Obviously a lot of Republicans would have to be in on this fraud as well, the Dems couldn’t pull it off otherwise.

    • Agree: ic1000
    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Stephen McIntyre (the Climate Audit guy) has an 11/6/20 twitter thread starting at 7:58pm Eastern discussing Pennsylvania returns.

    tl;dr: "much of the concern about potential fraud has focused on Philadelphia. But Trump dramatically improved performance in Philadelphia relative to 2016 counts strongly against it being a material factor."

    I've put my statistical analyst hat back on and have started to parse election data.

    I've noticed something very counter-intuitive in Pennsylvania data, which commentators have totally missed thus far.

    2/ There is only one PA county where Trump dramatically improved Republican - Democrat margin. Without overthinking it, take a guess which one before looking at the answer.

    3/ It's Philadelphia!!

    Trump reduced the deficit in Philadelphia by ~44,000 votes from the 2016 deficit vs Hillary.

    4/ Trump expanded his margin in red counties, but the gains were immaterial. Gains in 47 red counties but none higher than 3.7K. Average only 1.4K for a total margin increase of 62K in red counties.

    5/ Biden's increased margin by 124K in five counties: Bucks, Delaware, Allegheny, Chester and Montgomery and by 55K in 14 counties with lesser margin changes.

    6/ I don't know much about these counties, other than four of them seem to be Philadelphia suburbs and the other Pittsburgh. All of these counties had relatively high increases in total number of voters, whereas the population in red counties had little population increase.

    7/ there was a very high proportion of D voters in these suburban counties with relatively large voter registration increases.

    8/ my quick impression is that, despite its energeticness, Trump's campaign in PA neglected these suburbs in favor of the comfortable welcomes of working class small towns in western PA.

    9/ it's also my quick impression that the demographics in PA went slightly against Trump over past 4 years and that these demographic changes would easily be sufficient to account for what was, in reality, a microscopic overall swing from a Trump win by a whisker to

    10/ a loss by a whisker.

    Trump appears to have run better among small-town working class and (ironically given the cacophony of "racism" allegations) black inner city Philadelphia. But not among virtue-signalling white suburbanites and public sector employees.

    11/ much of the concern about potential fraud has focused on Philadelphia. But Trump dramatically improved performance in Philadelphia relative to 2016 counts strongly against it being a material factor. While the municipal opposition to adequate transparency raises suspicions,

    12/ sometimes such officiousness is due to them merely being pricks and that possibility cannot be excluded.

    If there is any major fraud (and I'm far from certain that there is, despite the super-centenarians), it should be looked for in counties of Dem margin increase.

    13/ for reference, I use 2016 NYT voting data by county and 2020 NYT data for total votes and used margins from Politico to estimate R and D in 2020. Then calculated various differences and changes.

    14/ I referred to Philadelphia stats above. Here they are [image]. R votes increased by 20K, D votes decreased by 24K for overall swing of 44K in Trump's favor. It was suburbs and not, despite controversy, the city itself which caused swing in Biden's favor.

    Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @Peter Akuleyev

    , @AceDeuce
    @Peter Akuleyev

    "Worse than Clinton's total in Filthaderpia"= "89-11% instead of 90-10%". BFD.

    , @Matt Buckalew
    @Peter Akuleyev

    This is the kind of argument that would be convincing to my silly trust fund girlfriend who has never had to use her brain once in her life.

    Anyone with an IQ over 95 (so admittedly not you) would think-hey where else would be the best place to cheat other than the place where our voters didn’t turn out.

    Now this would be hard to do on the fly but if you say stopped counting the votes illegally for a few hours even you and Lot could have figured it out.

    Also hey isn’t Philly the ground central for the black Israelites (it sure was when I’d visit friends at Penn) and aren’t they vocally ambivalent about the two candidates. Gee that seems like exactly the place they would suffer low turnout and the place were people with an IQ over 95 (again not you) would start manufacturing votes.

    Replies: @LondonBob

  34. After all, the saintliest man of all time, Barack Obama,

    Steve, you need to create an analogue to the intersectional totem pole exclusively for black public figures. I assumed George Floyd would have a higher ranking than Obama, who would in turn beat Ibram Kendi, and so on.

  35. We will learn very soon that Frank Albert Benford Jr was a cis white racist transphobic nazi male.

  36. Unfortunately, the biggest fraud is the one that is (almost) legal. Mail voting is a Democrat dream because it does away with the secret ballot and allows them to harvest votes from people who are usually unwilling to drag their asses to the polls. Trump was checkmated from the beginning when Dem controlled states allowed mail voting “due to Covid”. Without mail voting, Trump would have won. And now that we know that “mail voting works” we are never getting rid of it, even after Covid.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • Replies: @utu
    @Jack D

    Vote harvesting was the main factor in Trumps loss:


    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/maga-cope/#comment-4269885

    When you fill up the mail in ballot for your demented grandmother this is a fraud though on a micro scale. But multiply it by thousand. Do it in nursing homes. Then do it in community centers in minority areas and ghettos for people who would never vote. You incentivize them and twist their arms. This is no different than ballot stuffing but impossible to be proven as a fraud, yet everybody knows about it.
     

    "Trump was checkmated from the beginning when Dem controlled states allowed mail voting “due to Covid”. Without mail voting, Trump would have won."
    - Exactly.

    Yet, the win of Biden was marginal.

    https://www.unz.com/article/first-thoughts-on-the-election/#comment-4266647
    Despite of being subjected to 24/7 psychological warfare including the skewed poll results of two digit Biden’s advantage, that Trump would be swept by a Tsunami, 50% of Americans voted for Trump. Biden’s win depends on trickling of minute streams of votes of dubious origins. The near majority of Americans demonstrated an amazing immunity and resilience to incessant propaganda and mind conditioning that Trump would be defeated in a land slide. It seems that half of America lives in different reality than that that was conjured for them by media. How did they manage to shield themselves from the media onslaught? Regardless of the final outcome we are witnessing the greatest defeat of the liberal virtual reality control machine.
     
    Even Joe Scarborough agrees:

    Joe Scarborough calls the election result an ‘absolute repudiation of the Democratic party as a brand’ and says Biden’s win will be a ‘one-off’
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8924197/Morning-Joe-calls-election-absolute-repudiation-Democrats.html
     
    And Andrew Yang knows why:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8922985/Andrew-Yang-leads-Democrats-tearing-party-turning-urban-coastal-elite.html
    Andrew Yang tears into the Democrats for becoming a party of 'urban coastal elites' who have abandoned the working class and are more concerned with 'policing cultural issues' after their dismal results
     

    Replies: @Jack D, @Corvinus, @syonredux, @Anonymous

    , @Rex Little
    @Jack D


    it does away with the secret ballot and allows them to harvest votes from people who are usually unwilling to drag their asses to the polls.
     
    This! I voted by mail by signing and sealing the envelope and dropping it in a mailbox, but I could just as easily have signed the envelope, left the ballot blank and sold both to a vote harvester. No way anyone could distinguish it from an honest ballot.

    If we're going to allow voting by mail, the least we should require is that the ballots be given in person to a postal clerk who must check the signature against a photo ID.
  37. Swing state poll workers:

  38. @Peter Akuleyev
    Biden's totals in the city of Philadelphia are actually worse than Clinton's. Biden's gains have been in suburban areas like Allegheny county. This is a pretty sophisticated conspiracy that Steve believes in. Obviously a lot of Republicans would have to be in on this fraud as well, the Dems couldn't pull it off otherwise.

    Replies: @ic1000, @AceDeuce, @Matt Buckalew

    Stephen McIntyre (the Climate Audit guy) has an 11/6/20 twitter thread starting at 7:58pm Eastern discussing Pennsylvania returns.

    tl;dr: “much of the concern about potential fraud has focused on Philadelphia. But Trump dramatically improved performance in Philadelphia relative to 2016 counts strongly against it being a material factor.”

    I’ve put my statistical analyst hat back on and have started to parse election data.

    I’ve noticed something very counter-intuitive in Pennsylvania data, which commentators have totally missed thus far.

    2/ There is only one PA county where Trump dramatically improved Republican – Democrat margin. Without overthinking it, take a guess which one before looking at the answer.

    3/ It’s Philadelphia!!

    Trump reduced the deficit in Philadelphia by ~44,000 votes from the 2016 deficit vs Hillary.

    [MORE]

    4/ Trump expanded his margin in red counties, but the gains were immaterial. Gains in 47 red counties but none higher than 3.7K. Average only 1.4K for a total margin increase of 62K in red counties.

    5/ Biden’s increased margin by 124K in five counties: Bucks, Delaware, Allegheny, Chester and Montgomery and by 55K in 14 counties with lesser margin changes.

    6/ I don’t know much about these counties, other than four of them seem to be Philadelphia suburbs and the other Pittsburgh. All of these counties had relatively high increases in total number of voters, whereas the population in red counties had little population increase.

    7/ there was a very high proportion of D voters in these suburban counties with relatively large voter registration increases.

    8/ my quick impression is that, despite its energeticness, Trump’s campaign in PA neglected these suburbs in favor of the comfortable welcomes of working class small towns in western PA.

    9/ it’s also my quick impression that the demographics in PA went slightly against Trump over past 4 years and that these demographic changes would easily be sufficient to account for what was, in reality, a microscopic overall swing from a Trump win by a whisker to

    10/ a loss by a whisker.

    Trump appears to have run better among small-town working class and (ironically given the cacophony of “racism” allegations) black inner city Philadelphia. But not among virtue-signalling white suburbanites and public sector employees.

    11/ much of the concern about potential fraud has focused on Philadelphia. But Trump dramatically improved performance in Philadelphia relative to 2016 counts strongly against it being a material factor. While the municipal opposition to adequate transparency raises suspicions,

    12/ sometimes such officiousness is due to them merely being pricks and that possibility cannot be excluded.

    If there is any major fraud (and I’m far from certain that there is, despite the super-centenarians), it should be looked for in counties of Dem margin increase.

    13/ for reference, I use 2016 NYT voting data by county and 2020 NYT data for total votes and used margins from Politico to estimate R and D in 2020. Then calculated various differences and changes.

    14/ I referred to Philadelphia stats above. Here they are [image]. R votes increased by 20K, D votes decreased by 24K for overall swing of 44K in Trump’s favor. It was suburbs and not, despite controversy, the city itself which caused swing in Biden’s favor.

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    @ic1000

    Demographic changes in Pennsylvania doomed Republicans. 500,000 white Pennsylvanians died since Trump won in 2016. Pennsylvania fell below 80% white in 2020 for the first time.

    The 500,000 whites who died were not replaced with whites. There have been more white deaths than births in PA for two decades now. Pennsylvania will never again elect a Republican President, due to the demographic changes.

    Replies: @nymom

    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @ic1000

    Remember the Republicans, other than Trump, massively outperformed polls and expectations. If there was a conspiracy it was probably McConnell and co. kicking Trump to the curb. They don’t need him anymore - the GOP will control the SC and Federal courts for decades now. Trump is a loose cannon, Biden can be rolled.

    Replies: @Corn

  39. @Peter Akuleyev
    Biden's totals in the city of Philadelphia are actually worse than Clinton's. Biden's gains have been in suburban areas like Allegheny county. This is a pretty sophisticated conspiracy that Steve believes in. Obviously a lot of Republicans would have to be in on this fraud as well, the Dems couldn't pull it off otherwise.

    Replies: @ic1000, @AceDeuce, @Matt Buckalew

    “Worse than Clinton’s total in Filthaderpia”= “89-11% instead of 90-10%”. BFD.

  40. I also think it’s likely that Biden has enough honest votes to win. But there are suspicious things afoot, and the Rs have every right to demand a rigorous investigation, recount, and verification of large numbers of votes in the contested battleground states.

    Such is life in the new, not-really-one-nation US.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @megabar

    > I also think it’s likely that Biden has enough honest votes to win.

    Agree.

    Here is the Sept. 1 Axios article that (I think) coined "Red Mirage", Exclusive: Dem group warns of apparent Trump Election Day landslide.

    Earlier, William Jacobson predicted that late counting of the Democratic-skewed mail-in ballots would produce unjustified "election stolen" outrage on the right and provide opportunities for election misconduct.

    Both seem to have come true.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  41. @ic1000
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Stephen McIntyre (the Climate Audit guy) has an 11/6/20 twitter thread starting at 7:58pm Eastern discussing Pennsylvania returns.

    tl;dr: "much of the concern about potential fraud has focused on Philadelphia. But Trump dramatically improved performance in Philadelphia relative to 2016 counts strongly against it being a material factor."

    I've put my statistical analyst hat back on and have started to parse election data.

    I've noticed something very counter-intuitive in Pennsylvania data, which commentators have totally missed thus far.

    2/ There is only one PA county where Trump dramatically improved Republican - Democrat margin. Without overthinking it, take a guess which one before looking at the answer.

    3/ It's Philadelphia!!

    Trump reduced the deficit in Philadelphia by ~44,000 votes from the 2016 deficit vs Hillary.

    4/ Trump expanded his margin in red counties, but the gains were immaterial. Gains in 47 red counties but none higher than 3.7K. Average only 1.4K for a total margin increase of 62K in red counties.

    5/ Biden's increased margin by 124K in five counties: Bucks, Delaware, Allegheny, Chester and Montgomery and by 55K in 14 counties with lesser margin changes.

    6/ I don't know much about these counties, other than four of them seem to be Philadelphia suburbs and the other Pittsburgh. All of these counties had relatively high increases in total number of voters, whereas the population in red counties had little population increase.

    7/ there was a very high proportion of D voters in these suburban counties with relatively large voter registration increases.

    8/ my quick impression is that, despite its energeticness, Trump's campaign in PA neglected these suburbs in favor of the comfortable welcomes of working class small towns in western PA.

    9/ it's also my quick impression that the demographics in PA went slightly against Trump over past 4 years and that these demographic changes would easily be sufficient to account for what was, in reality, a microscopic overall swing from a Trump win by a whisker to

    10/ a loss by a whisker.

    Trump appears to have run better among small-town working class and (ironically given the cacophony of "racism" allegations) black inner city Philadelphia. But not among virtue-signalling white suburbanites and public sector employees.

    11/ much of the concern about potential fraud has focused on Philadelphia. But Trump dramatically improved performance in Philadelphia relative to 2016 counts strongly against it being a material factor. While the municipal opposition to adequate transparency raises suspicions,

    12/ sometimes such officiousness is due to them merely being pricks and that possibility cannot be excluded.

    If there is any major fraud (and I'm far from certain that there is, despite the super-centenarians), it should be looked for in counties of Dem margin increase.

    13/ for reference, I use 2016 NYT voting data by county and 2020 NYT data for total votes and used margins from Politico to estimate R and D in 2020. Then calculated various differences and changes.

    14/ I referred to Philadelphia stats above. Here they are [image]. R votes increased by 20K, D votes decreased by 24K for overall swing of 44K in Trump's favor. It was suburbs and not, despite controversy, the city itself which caused swing in Biden's favor.

    Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @Peter Akuleyev

    Demographic changes in Pennsylvania doomed Republicans. 500,000 white Pennsylvanians died since Trump won in 2016. Pennsylvania fell below 80% white in 2020 for the first time.

    The 500,000 whites who died were not replaced with whites. There have been more white deaths than births in PA for two decades now. Pennsylvania will never again elect a Republican President, due to the demographic changes.

    • Replies: @nymom
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    That will be the case throughout the country if Biden gets elected as he has already promised to legalize the 30 or 40 million illegals here with citizenship and, of course, they will all vote Democrat.

    Republicans, starting with Reagan, have participated in this scenario as well with an amnesty in the 80s and now this one in 2021...

    That was the beginning of the end of America as a part of western civilization...

  42. Someone named Matt Braynard is raising money to cross-check massive amounts of voter data in an effort to uncover voter fraud in the suspicious states. He set a GoFundMe goal of $250,000 and had already raised $220,000 when GoFundMe cancelled the crowdfunding campaign and refunded all donors.

    Starting again from scratch yesterday, he moved to a crowdfunding website, GiveSendGo, used to raise money for missionaries. Here’s the pitch:

    We will use the funds to acquire voter data from the seven swing states (and more depending on funding) and cross reference the early/absentee/inactive voters who cast ballots with the Master Death Index and the National Change of Address Database to detect potentially fraudulent ballots.

    We will then deploy a call center to track down people who moved or were otherwise inactive and ask that they confirm whether or not they actually cast a ballot. Anyone who says they did not will be provided with an affidavit.

    All of our findings will be made public.

    This project is being led by Matt Braynard, former director of Data and Strategy for President Trump. Receipts, invoices, and other statements will be provided for all money raised here, and Matt Braynard will personally receive zero dollars.

    It looks like the goal will be met, assuming this campaign is not also nuked:

    https://givesendgo.com/GX2V

  43. “The New York Times Opinion section explains that vote fraud is practically impossible”

    The New York Times Opinion section explains that voter fraud in a presidential election through conspiracy is virtually impossible. Fixed it for you, Mr. Sailer. Your welcome.

    “Seriously, my guess is that it will ultimately turn out that Biden will win by enough votes in enough states that the overall election result will have been honest”.

    More tricks, eh, Mr. Sailer? You take a page from the NYT by burying the lede until the last sentence, then offer your “aw, shucks, I’m not really saying it, but I am saying it” by giving the impression there was massive voter fraud in Democratic strongholds, but not to the point that the outcome was tainted and/or should be overturned. In that way, you can still continue on with your future narrative construction.

    “But, c’mon, don’t yank our chain about how it’s crazy to worry that Democrats might cheat. They’ve done it before, over and over.”

    Sure, there have been reported cases of cheating by Democrats. But don’t yank our chain by not NOTICING how Trump in his mind from the get-go was 100% going to win re-election, and that if he lost, then there was massive cheating, thus stoking up fears and offering wild claims without hard, conclusive evidence.

    Regardless, please put your skills to the test by providing specific case examples with analytical data that exactly shows how widespread, perpetual fraud is being committed in those areas you cited. You have Benford’s law at your disposal. Yeah, about that…

    https://rss.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1740-9713.2016.00919.x

    https://www.pnas.org/content/116/1/106

    • Troll: TWS, GeneralRipper
    • Replies: @onetwothree
    @Corvinus

    Why does this worthless troll get priority over other posters?

    Does Ron Unz think they "increase engagement" or something? I can see if everything is FIFO and you don't want to bother putting a pause on troublemakers, or distinguishing between them in the first place, but why do they get ahead of the line? There must be logic specifically designed to do that.

    , @Sean
    @Corvinus

    Are there software programs used by American intelligence agencies to alter election results or not?

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Corvinus

    , @ic1000
    @Corvinus

    I can't find the Silly button under Agree/Disagree/Etc.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @res

    , @James Speaks
    @Corvinus

    If there was actual evidence of widespread fraud, two things would be known:
    (1) There would be multiple indictments, and
    (2) The fraudsters would have to have been unbelievably stupid.

    What we have are numerous fraud indicators:
    (1) Stopping the vote counting in the middle of the night when the predicted Trump victory margin would be known, followed by sudden turnaround in vote totals.
    (2) Lack of transparency (keeping R watchers out) during the vote adjustment process.
    (3) Failure of alleged fraudsters to mark the down ticket races, thus allowing R representatives to retake House seats.
    (4) Benford's Law
    (5) Instances of N * 1000 vote suprises

    Of course, all of this is nonsense. To believe in masssive vote fraud by inner city politicians and Negroes, one would have to assume that widespread corruption exists among inner city politicians or that Negroes are willing to disobey the law for personal gain.

    The will of the people has been suppressed; the only right decision, according to the 14th amendment, is to allow the election to be determined in the House according to state delegations, which we can assume were elected according to the will of the people and thus representing the will of the people.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  44. @ic1000
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Stephen McIntyre (the Climate Audit guy) has an 11/6/20 twitter thread starting at 7:58pm Eastern discussing Pennsylvania returns.

    tl;dr: "much of the concern about potential fraud has focused on Philadelphia. But Trump dramatically improved performance in Philadelphia relative to 2016 counts strongly against it being a material factor."

    I've put my statistical analyst hat back on and have started to parse election data.

    I've noticed something very counter-intuitive in Pennsylvania data, which commentators have totally missed thus far.

    2/ There is only one PA county where Trump dramatically improved Republican - Democrat margin. Without overthinking it, take a guess which one before looking at the answer.

    3/ It's Philadelphia!!

    Trump reduced the deficit in Philadelphia by ~44,000 votes from the 2016 deficit vs Hillary.

    4/ Trump expanded his margin in red counties, but the gains were immaterial. Gains in 47 red counties but none higher than 3.7K. Average only 1.4K for a total margin increase of 62K in red counties.

    5/ Biden's increased margin by 124K in five counties: Bucks, Delaware, Allegheny, Chester and Montgomery and by 55K in 14 counties with lesser margin changes.

    6/ I don't know much about these counties, other than four of them seem to be Philadelphia suburbs and the other Pittsburgh. All of these counties had relatively high increases in total number of voters, whereas the population in red counties had little population increase.

    7/ there was a very high proportion of D voters in these suburban counties with relatively large voter registration increases.

    8/ my quick impression is that, despite its energeticness, Trump's campaign in PA neglected these suburbs in favor of the comfortable welcomes of working class small towns in western PA.

    9/ it's also my quick impression that the demographics in PA went slightly against Trump over past 4 years and that these demographic changes would easily be sufficient to account for what was, in reality, a microscopic overall swing from a Trump win by a whisker to

    10/ a loss by a whisker.

    Trump appears to have run better among small-town working class and (ironically given the cacophony of "racism" allegations) black inner city Philadelphia. But not among virtue-signalling white suburbanites and public sector employees.

    11/ much of the concern about potential fraud has focused on Philadelphia. But Trump dramatically improved performance in Philadelphia relative to 2016 counts strongly against it being a material factor. While the municipal opposition to adequate transparency raises suspicions,

    12/ sometimes such officiousness is due to them merely being pricks and that possibility cannot be excluded.

    If there is any major fraud (and I'm far from certain that there is, despite the super-centenarians), it should be looked for in counties of Dem margin increase.

    13/ for reference, I use 2016 NYT voting data by county and 2020 NYT data for total votes and used margins from Politico to estimate R and D in 2020. Then calculated various differences and changes.

    14/ I referred to Philadelphia stats above. Here they are [image]. R votes increased by 20K, D votes decreased by 24K for overall swing of 44K in Trump's favor. It was suburbs and not, despite controversy, the city itself which caused swing in Biden's favor.

    Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @Peter Akuleyev

    Remember the Republicans, other than Trump, massively outperformed polls and expectations. If there was a conspiracy it was probably McConnell and co. kicking Trump to the curb. They don’t need him anymore – the GOP will control the SC and Federal courts for decades now. Trump is a loose cannon, Biden can be rolled.

    • Replies: @Corn
    @Peter Akuleyev


    the GOP will control the SC
     
    Clarence Thomas is no spring chicken and John Roberts is a waffler. If the Swamp Republicans figured “we have the Court, we don’t need Trump anymore” they’re being quite shortsighted.

    If the Supreme Court is their concern, they should be fighting their asses off for a Trump second term and (forgive me for being morbid) hoping Thomas retires and Breyer retires or meets his Maker in the next four years.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  45. @Corvinus
    "The New York Times Opinion section explains that vote fraud is practically impossible"

    The New York Times Opinion section explains that voter fraud in a presidential election through conspiracy is virtually impossible. Fixed it for you, Mr. Sailer. Your welcome.

    "Seriously, my guess is that it will ultimately turn out that Biden will win by enough votes in enough states that the overall election result will have been honest".

    More tricks, eh, Mr. Sailer? You take a page from the NYT by burying the lede until the last sentence, then offer your "aw, shucks, I'm not really saying it, but I am saying it" by giving the impression there was massive voter fraud in Democratic strongholds, but not to the point that the outcome was tainted and/or should be overturned. In that way, you can still continue on with your future narrative construction.

    "But, c’mon, don’t yank our chain about how it’s crazy to worry that Democrats might cheat. They’ve done it before, over and over."

    Sure, there have been reported cases of cheating by Democrats. But don't yank our chain by not NOTICING how Trump in his mind from the get-go was 100% going to win re-election, and that if he lost, then there was massive cheating, thus stoking up fears and offering wild claims without hard, conclusive evidence.

    Regardless, please put your skills to the test by providing specific case examples with analytical data that exactly shows how widespread, perpetual fraud is being committed in those areas you cited. You have Benford's law at your disposal. Yeah, about that...

    https://rss.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1740-9713.2016.00919.x

    https://www.pnas.org/content/116/1/106

    Replies: @onetwothree, @Sean, @ic1000, @James Speaks

    Why does this worthless troll get priority over other posters?

    Does Ron Unz think they “increase engagement” or something? I can see if everything is FIFO and you don’t want to bother putting a pause on troublemakers, or distinguishing between them in the first place, but why do they get ahead of the line? There must be logic specifically designed to do that.

    • Agree: TWS
  46. “it would require a large number of people working together to win elections with machine-like coordination: a “political machine” if you can imagine such a thing.”

    “bringing up the giant Chicago scandals of the 1980s is almost as irrelevant to 2020 as, say, somebody bringing up Emmett Till from 1955, if you can imagine anyone doing such a thing.”

    This is why I read iSteve! Thanks for the morning laughs.

    • Agree: V. Hickel
  47. “Conspiracies are impossible because they are too complicated, require planning, coordination, secrecy, people do talk…” – Next door A. Karlin is channeling the NYT.

  48. @JohnnyWalker123
    Jews got away with the following:

    -USS Liberty
    -Vastly exaggerating Holocaust
    -911
    -No WMDs in Iraq
    -Assassinating Jeffrey Epstein
    -Rigging the Iowa caucus against Bernie Sanders

    Maybe they felt emboldened enough to do something on this scale?

    Given how berserk Trump has driven them, this wouldn't surprise me.

    I remember on election night, all these Democrats were freaking out on TV and Twitter. Then suddenly, during the super late night hours, Biden began unexpectedly surging.

    When Toobin and those other Jews were war gaming election night, they were pre planning how to steal the election in the event of a Trump victory.

    Sadly, there is a reasonably good chance that the Jews will get away with this.

    Replies: @Thoughts, @Anonymous, @Hugo Silva, @Corvinus

    Jews got away with the following:

    -911

    Jews didn’t carry out the 911 airplane bombings.

    But they did cause them, by weaponizing the United States for the Jewish conquest of Palestine.

  49. Why would you say that Biden has enough votes to win honestly? I’m amazed.

  50. I’m skeptical of a Biden vote rigging conspiracy because:

    1. In MI, Detroit elections are easy black dem wins, and also low stakes since the state took over large aspects of the city. Also, they had a mayor go to prison, lots or corruption. Nobody ratted out a vote rigging conspiracy to save themselves even as a lot of other ratting occurred.

    2. Nobody thought GA would be a key state. Sure it was trending left, but suddenly be 3 points more Dem than FL was a shock.

    3. Biden partisans were expecting a 8-10 point landslide.

    4. Steve’s 30-60 year old Illinois examples involve political machines with the ability to promise and deliver a lot of patronage jobs. Team Biden can’t deliver thousands of federal patronage jobs like that.

    5. Biden’s performance in PA is better than Hillary almost everywhere, with Philly an exception where Trump improved over 2016.

    • Disagree: The Wild Geese Howard
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Lot


    I’m skeptical of a Biden vote rigging conspiracy because:

    1. In MI, Detroit elections are easy black dem wins, and also low stakes since the state took over large aspects of the city. Also, they had a mayor go to prison, lots or corruption. Nobody ratted out a vote rigging conspiracy to save themselves even as a lot of other ratting occurred.
     

    Huh? That makes them more prone to fraud, not less. Rat out to whom? The FBI? Do you think they care? Will they care on January 22nd, 2021?

    2. Nobody thought GA would be a key state. Sure it was trending left, but suddenly be 3 points more Dem than FL was a shock.
     
    It's been considered a borderline state for several years now. The demographics bake that in.

    3. Biden partisans were expecting a 8-10 point landslide.
     
    That's what they said. Perhaps their internal polling said different.

    4. Steve’s 30-60 year old Illinois examples involve political machines with the ability to promise and deliver a lot of patronage jobs. Team Biden can’t deliver thousands of federal patronage jobs like that.
     
    COVID contact tracers. COVID mask-karens. COVID lock-down wardens.

    5. Biden’s performance in PA is better than Hillary almost everywhere, with Philly an exception where Trump improved over 2016.
     
    It looks like it might be better than Obama's in some places. You buy that?
  51. The problem is the universality of the franchise. I think that even most posters here would concede that if all or most registered voters voted, then the Dems would win every national election. Republicans seem to have a chance when the turnout is under 65 percent. When it gets over 70 percent, they have little or no chance.

    What mail-in voting accomplishes is reaching out to all registered voters: reaching out to the most ignorant, reaching out to the most susceptible to manipulation, and yes, allowing the most opportunity for fraud. There probably was fraud here, but I’m just saying that fraud may not be necessary when you reach down to this level.

    In the near future, look for mail-in voting to be a required method in all 50 states.

    The universal franchise leads to universal disfranchisement.

  52. From Sailer’s twitter feed, a retweet claiming thousands of fraudulent absentee ballots in Wayne County (Detroit), Michigan:

    AZ(reborn) @FcffAZ · Nov 5, 2020, 10:57 PM

    Here is 1.3k names out of the long list of 14k [sic] dead people whose ballots were received. It has months of birth, you don’t need to guess it
    https://pastebin.com/XEi5Uy6t

    Here’s the website to verify
    http://mvic.sos.state.mi.us/Voter/Index

    The pastebin link goes to a list consisting of 1,362 Wayne County voters aged at least 100 who were issued an absentee ballot. 1,207 of these ballots were returned to the County Clerk.

    While these 1,207 ballots were returned by Detroit’s seniorest citizens, how many were counted is unclear to me. As a a reply in that tweet’s thread, @anne_5454 writes, “The date received is the date it arrived at the clerk’s office. Not necessarily counted then… I’m a MI absentee voter (live abroad). I followed up on my ballot this year, the dates line up w/ when I received and returned it. State law is to not count before election day.”

    Below, I link to the two debunkings I could find.

    tl;dr: Both are unpersuasive to the point of being disingenuous, as neither addresses the actual misconduct that the 1,207 ballots would represent.

    [MORE]

    Debunking 1

    The Detroit Free Press/PolitiFact story of 11/6/20 (8:17pm) is List of alleged dead voters in Wayne County does not provide evidence of voter fraud. Apparently, AZ(reborn)’s list (unmentioned in the Freep article) is a subset of a longer list of 14,500 Michigan centenarians. The Freep reporter notes that “at least one woman listed seems to still be alive. According to the state’s voter information center, one voter, Imo Oliver of Ypsilanti, included on the list, cast an absentee ballot this year.” (Ms. Oliver is #1351 on AZ (reborn)’s list.)

    Next, the reporter links to the fact-check page of the office of Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson (D), which notes “Ballots of voters who have died are rejected in Michigan, even if the voter cast an absentee ballot and then died before Election Day.”

    This newspaper concludes, “Our ruling: A tweet claims that in this election, more than 14,000 dead people in Wayne County voted. There is no evidence to support this claim.”

    Debunking 2

    In the replies to AZ(reborn)’s tweet, @Ike_Saul directed readers to his rebuttal, tweets 8 to 13 of his earlier thread.

    Isaac Saul · @Ike_Saul · Nov 5

    8/ One of the most popular of these claims is a video purporting to show a 118-year-old named William Bradley who voted despite dying in 1984. I’m going to share video of a viral tweet so you can see it, then explain what’s happening:

    Essential Fleccas · @fleccas · Nov 5

    Turns out 118 year old “William Bradley” voted via absentee ballot in Wayne County, Michigan. William Bradley died in 1984.

    How long has this been going on?

    Try it for yourself:
    https://mvic.sos.state.mi.us/Voter/Index

    9/ Michigan’s secretary of state already responded to this claim, pointing out that ballots of voters who have died are rejected outright, so this bizarre scene (even if it were real!) would NEVER COUNT IN A MICHIGAN ELECTION. SoS statement is here:

    Did a dead 118-year-old man vote absentee in Michigan? State says no

    10/ In Michigan, this is even true if someone dies *between the time they sent in their ballot and Election Day* How much does that suck? The idea someone who died in 1984 would have their ballot counted is absurd.

    11/ Alternatively, it’s also possible William Bradley is real and his birthday is simply wrong on the Michigan voter website. Instead of 1902, he could be born in 1992 — a one-digit typo. This happens all the time. A clerk will be checking the ballot and registration records.

    12/ It’s ALSO true, as election expert @electproject pointed out, that some states use “1900” or “1/1/1” as codes when they moved from paper to electronic records to signify a bday wasn’t available. Something like that could be at play here.

    Michael McDonald · @ElectProject · Nov 5

    Many election management systems use 1900 as a missing data code for records that had no discernable birthdate when the state transitioned their paper records into an electronic system.

    13/ Regardless, if this person is actually dead, their vote won’t count. If the bday is entered wrong, it will be resolved by a local clerk when the vote is audited. The video is real, the voter fraud claim is fake. Trump is losing Michigan by 150k votes. NEXT

    This enthusiastic centenarian engagement in Detroit’s civic life is the most convincing single instance of Machine voter fraud that I’ve seen to date. Are there others?

    • Replies: @peterike
    @ic1000


    A clerk will be checking the ballot and registration records.
     
    Yeah, and it's INCONCEIVABLE that a clerk (who happens to be wearing a Biden shirt) checking the ballot and registration might just let something slide if it favored their candidate. All these "vote fraud is impossible" explanations ultimately come down to assuming 100% integrity from the mooks doing the counting. In other words, more laughable nonsense.

    Oh yeah, and a guy named Isaac Saul would just happen to be good at framing disingenuous, one might even say "Talmudic," hair splitting arguments, would he?
  53. @Corvinus
    "The New York Times Opinion section explains that vote fraud is practically impossible"

    The New York Times Opinion section explains that voter fraud in a presidential election through conspiracy is virtually impossible. Fixed it for you, Mr. Sailer. Your welcome.

    "Seriously, my guess is that it will ultimately turn out that Biden will win by enough votes in enough states that the overall election result will have been honest".

    More tricks, eh, Mr. Sailer? You take a page from the NYT by burying the lede until the last sentence, then offer your "aw, shucks, I'm not really saying it, but I am saying it" by giving the impression there was massive voter fraud in Democratic strongholds, but not to the point that the outcome was tainted and/or should be overturned. In that way, you can still continue on with your future narrative construction.

    "But, c’mon, don’t yank our chain about how it’s crazy to worry that Democrats might cheat. They’ve done it before, over and over."

    Sure, there have been reported cases of cheating by Democrats. But don't yank our chain by not NOTICING how Trump in his mind from the get-go was 100% going to win re-election, and that if he lost, then there was massive cheating, thus stoking up fears and offering wild claims without hard, conclusive evidence.

    Regardless, please put your skills to the test by providing specific case examples with analytical data that exactly shows how widespread, perpetual fraud is being committed in those areas you cited. You have Benford's law at your disposal. Yeah, about that...

    https://rss.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1740-9713.2016.00919.x

    https://www.pnas.org/content/116/1/106

    Replies: @onetwothree, @Sean, @ic1000, @James Speaks

    Are there software programs used by American intelligence agencies to alter election results or not?

    • Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers
    @Sean

    In 30 States, A Computer System Known To Be Defective Is Tallying Votes
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/30-states-computer-system-known-be-defective-tallying-votes

    , @Corvinus
    @Sean

    Prove this software, which exists, was used in our election by our intelligence agencies that clearly altered the results. I assume you have the required evidence (actual data points, internal memos, whistleblower affidavits) in your possession, right?

    Replies: @Sean

  54. @Corvinus
    "The New York Times Opinion section explains that vote fraud is practically impossible"

    The New York Times Opinion section explains that voter fraud in a presidential election through conspiracy is virtually impossible. Fixed it for you, Mr. Sailer. Your welcome.

    "Seriously, my guess is that it will ultimately turn out that Biden will win by enough votes in enough states that the overall election result will have been honest".

    More tricks, eh, Mr. Sailer? You take a page from the NYT by burying the lede until the last sentence, then offer your "aw, shucks, I'm not really saying it, but I am saying it" by giving the impression there was massive voter fraud in Democratic strongholds, but not to the point that the outcome was tainted and/or should be overturned. In that way, you can still continue on with your future narrative construction.

    "But, c’mon, don’t yank our chain about how it’s crazy to worry that Democrats might cheat. They’ve done it before, over and over."

    Sure, there have been reported cases of cheating by Democrats. But don't yank our chain by not NOTICING how Trump in his mind from the get-go was 100% going to win re-election, and that if he lost, then there was massive cheating, thus stoking up fears and offering wild claims without hard, conclusive evidence.

    Regardless, please put your skills to the test by providing specific case examples with analytical data that exactly shows how widespread, perpetual fraud is being committed in those areas you cited. You have Benford's law at your disposal. Yeah, about that...

    https://rss.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1740-9713.2016.00919.x

    https://www.pnas.org/content/116/1/106

    Replies: @onetwothree, @Sean, @ic1000, @James Speaks

    I can’t find the Silly button under Agree/Disagree/Etc.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @ic1000

    Since you an amateur digital sleuth, why do you not take your alleged skills to the Trump camp pro bono? You claim to have NOTICED patterns of clear voting pattern irregularities, right, through your own investigation of the data. It is your constitutional duty. Now, the "late counting" of mail in balloting was due to different state election laws on when to process them. And due to the giant backlog of mail-in ballots, it is other than surprising that votes are still being counted as we speak. Moreover, mail in balloting has traditionally "skewed Democrat", and up until this time, there was scant attention to it when it came to potential voter fraud.

    , @res
    @ic1000


    I can’t find the Silly button under Agree/Disagree/Etc.
     
    That's OK. "Corvinus says" more than suffices to indicate that and more.
  55. Abolish convenience voting!

    If you want to vote, it’s your responsibility to arrange your schedule so as to show up at your polling station on Election Day.

    If the military has deployed you far from home (not the same as your temporary station), then request a furlough (deniable) and find your way home. No more laws that require employers to give their employees time-off to vote.

    No more absentee ballots, mail-in ballots, voting in a US embassy, voting by app (it’s coming), etc.

    If pop entertainment fans, Black Friday shoppers, etc. can sleep on the sidewalk in order to satisfy their tastes, then asking voters to stand outside in line for hours (no stand-ins, ‘your turn’ texts, etc. allowed) would not be asking too much.

    [MORE]

    Reinstate the poll tax. $400/$1,000 per off/on -year election sounds about right; for the latter, big donors can pitch in. The taxes collected should be re-distributed to non-registereds.

    It’s long past time to trim the voter rolls of tax leeches. Government workers, contractors, retirees etc., and their financial dependents, should not be allowed to vote.

    Anyone who signs up to receive a material, special interest government benefit should also be disenfranchised. You register your kid for public school, you surrender every Voter ID card in your household.

    And by all means we need to STOP these endless, local ballot measures to impose higher taxes and borrowing for the schools. A 5 mill property tax here, a 500 basis point sales tax bump there. Pretty soon you’re talking about real dough.

    • Troll: Hibernian
  56. @ic1000
    From Sailer's twitter feed, a retweet claiming thousands of fraudulent absentee ballots in Wayne County (Detroit), Michigan:

    AZ(reborn) @FcffAZ · Nov 5, 2020, 10:57 PM

    Here is 1.3k names out of the long list of 14k [sic] dead people whose ballots were received. It has months of birth, you don't need to guess it
    https://pastebin.com/XEi5Uy6t

    Here's the website to verify
    http://mvic.sos.state.mi.us/Voter/Index
     

    The pastebin link goes to a list consisting of 1,362 Wayne County voters aged at least 100 who were issued an absentee ballot. 1,207 of these ballots were returned to the County Clerk.

    While these 1,207 ballots were returned by Detroit's seniorest citizens, how many were counted is unclear to me. As a a reply in that tweet's thread, @anne_5454 writes, "The date received is the date it arrived at the clerk's office. Not necessarily counted then... I'm a MI absentee voter (live abroad). I followed up on my ballot this year, the dates line up w/ when I received and returned it. State law is to not count before election day."

    Below, I link to the two debunkings I could find.

    tl;dr: Both are unpersuasive to the point of being disingenuous, as neither addresses the actual misconduct that the 1,207 ballots would represent.

    Debunking 1

    The Detroit Free Press/PolitiFact story of 11/6/20 (8:17pm) is List of alleged dead voters in Wayne County does not provide evidence of voter fraud. Apparently, AZ(reborn)'s list (unmentioned in the Freep article) is a subset of a longer list of 14,500 Michigan centenarians. The Freep reporter notes that "at least one woman listed seems to still be alive. According to the state’s voter information center, one voter, Imo Oliver of Ypsilanti, included on the list, cast an absentee ballot this year." (Ms. Oliver is #1351 on AZ (reborn)'s list.)

    Next, the reporter links to the fact-check page of the office of Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson (D), which notes "Ballots of voters who have died are rejected in Michigan, even if the voter cast an absentee ballot and then died before Election Day."

    This newspaper concludes, "Our ruling: A tweet claims that in this election, more than 14,000 dead people in Wayne County voted. There is no evidence to support this claim."

    Debunking 2

    In the replies to AZ(reborn)'s tweet, @Ike_Saul directed readers to his rebuttal, tweets 8 to 13 of his earlier thread.


    Isaac Saul · @Ike_Saul · Nov 5

    8/ One of the most popular of these claims is a video purporting to show a 118-year-old named William Bradley who voted despite dying in 1984. I’m going to share video of a viral tweet so you can see it, then explain what’s happening:


    Essential Fleccas · @fleccas · Nov 5

    Turns out 118 year old “William Bradley” voted via absentee ballot in Wayne County, Michigan. William Bradley died in 1984.

    How long has this been going on?

    Try it for yourself:
    https://mvic.sos.state.mi.us/Voter/Index
     

    9/ Michigan’s secretary of state already responded to this claim, pointing out that ballots of voters who have died are rejected outright, so this bizarre scene (even if it were real!) would NEVER COUNT IN A MICHIGAN ELECTION. SoS statement is here:

    Did a dead 118-year-old man vote absentee in Michigan? State says no

    10/ In Michigan, this is even true if someone dies *between the time they sent in their ballot and Election Day* How much does that suck? The idea someone who died in 1984 would have their ballot counted is absurd.

    11/ Alternatively, it's also possible William Bradley is real and his birthday is simply wrong on the Michigan voter website. Instead of 1902, he could be born in 1992 — a one-digit typo. This happens all the time. A clerk will be checking the ballot and registration records.

    12/ It’s ALSO true, as election expert @electproject pointed out, that some states use “1900” or “1/1/1” as codes when they moved from paper to electronic records to signify a bday wasn’t available. Something like that could be at play here.


    Michael McDonald · @ElectProject · Nov 5

    Many election management systems use 1900 as a missing data code for records that had no discernable birthdate when the state transitioned their paper records into an electronic system.
     

    13/ Regardless, if this person is actually dead, their vote won’t count. If the bday is entered wrong, it will be resolved by a local clerk when the vote is audited. The video is real, the voter fraud claim is fake. Trump is losing Michigan by 150k votes. NEXT
     
    This enthusiastic centenarian engagement in Detroit's civic life is the most convincing single instance of Machine voter fraud that I've seen to date. Are there others?

    Replies: @peterike

    A clerk will be checking the ballot and registration records.

    Yeah, and it’s INCONCEIVABLE that a clerk (who happens to be wearing a Biden shirt) checking the ballot and registration might just let something slide if it favored their candidate. All these “vote fraud is impossible” explanations ultimately come down to assuming 100% integrity from the mooks doing the counting. In other words, more laughable nonsense.

    Oh yeah, and a guy named Isaac Saul would just happen to be good at framing disingenuous, one might even say “Talmudic,” hair splitting arguments, would he?

  57. @megabar
    I also think it's likely that Biden has enough honest votes to win. But there are suspicious things afoot, and the Rs have every right to demand a rigorous investigation, recount, and verification of large numbers of votes in the contested battleground states.

    Such is life in the new, not-really-one-nation US.

    Replies: @ic1000

    > I also think it’s likely that Biden has enough honest votes to win.

    Agree.

    Here is the Sept. 1 Axios article that (I think) coined “Red Mirage”, Exclusive: Dem group warns of apparent Trump Election Day landslide.

    Earlier, William Jacobson predicted that late counting of the Democratic-skewed mail-in ballots would produce unjustified “election stolen” outrage on the right and provide opportunities for election misconduct.

    Both seem to have come true.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @ic1000



    > I also think it’s likely that Biden has enough honest votes to win.

     

    Agree.

     

    If cheating occurred, that's irrelevant, isn't it? Only one of the tomatoes in your stew has botulism. Would you eat it?

    Replies: @megabar

  58. Another way to hack an election is by removing votes, not adding them. Hide a pen up your sleeve and use it to invalidate a bunch of Trump votes. I suggest exploring counts of invalid votes and looking for odd patterns, if such data is available.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  59. Speaking of machines, this isn’t 1982. Vote counting and tabulation is done digitally and voting is sometimes done digitally as well. Everybody is thinking of voter fraud as meaning boxes of phony paper ballots showing up in vans but why would you do that in 2020? Especially if your side includes, probably, CIA or other deep state types (with experience in rigging elections worldwide) plus Big Tech? Back in 2000 and after, the Left was very exercised for a few years about Diebold voting machines and how Bush had somehow used them to steal the election.


    • Replies: @anon
    @Thomas

    Speaking of machines, this isn’t 1982. Vote counting and tabulation is done digitally and voting is sometimes done digitally as well.

    What do you mean by the word "digitally"? How are mail-in paper ballots "digital"? Are provisional ballots also "digital"?

    Try again?

    Replies: @Thomas

  60. They don’t need a conspiracy, they just need to staff counting stations with black women who have no regard for the law because they’ve been getting fed lies about how drumpf has made it legal to murder young innocent saintly black men in the street. Seriously, look at the poll workers in Atlanta, Philly, and Detroit. We put our electoral integrity in the hands of the absolute worst people to do it honestly and efficiency

  61. Steve, you can tell yourself, ‘he would have won anyway’ but you know in your heart it’s false. Biden couldn’t get a dozen people to his rallies. Trump couldn’t draw less than a thousand times that number. There was such cheating that there will never be an honest election again.

    Now, maybe you’re ok with that we’re of an age. And your boys grew up in southern California, they expect the world to be corrupt, they’ll never be janissaries to our ruling foreigners, they’ll live quiet lives like their dad and maybe be good enough at what they do to earn their bread without feeling the yoke too much.

    My boys were not brought up in southern California and they became Marines after 9-11 because they couldn’t stand that their fellow countrymen had been attacked. I now have grandsons old enough to fight. We can’t be dhimmi here, it’s not in our blood or bone. So tell yourself Biden would have won anyway, tell yourself that when the next Harris or Omar or Clinton is selected by the deep state. But there’s a lot of us who can’t.

    • Replies: @Matt Buckalew
    @TWS

    Steve isn’t a fighter he never has been. He’s a manic depressive who blew two gigs with GOPe organizations when in a manic phase he got out over his skis. I think Steve thinks fighting is kind of gauche and low IQ. And to a certain extent he’s uncomfortable tussling with the people who went to the schools he couldn’t get into. (Which is a shame he’s a lot more perceptive than my HBS product dad who is just now playing catch up to damage his type let loose on the world.) That’s why he mostly sticks to sparing with with affirmative action hire radicals and female journalists.

    That said you can tell Jennifer Rubin’s list broke through his ironic detachment and definitely shook him a bit so maybe the fighting spirit will issue forth.

  62. Ibram X Kendi declares that proper voting procedures are racist:

    The term “legal vote” is as fictionally fraught and functionally racist as the terms “illegal alien” and “race neutral” and “welfare queen” and “handouts” and “super predator” and “crackbaby” and “personal responsibility” and “post racial.”

  63. @Jack D
    Unfortunately, the biggest fraud is the one that is (almost) legal. Mail voting is a Democrat dream because it does away with the secret ballot and allows them to harvest votes from people who are usually unwilling to drag their asses to the polls. Trump was checkmated from the beginning when Dem controlled states allowed mail voting "due to Covid". Without mail voting, Trump would have won. And now that we know that "mail voting works" we are never getting rid of it, even after Covid.

    Replies: @utu, @Rex Little

    Vote harvesting was the main factor in Trumps loss:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/maga-cope/#comment-4269885

    When you fill up the mail in ballot for your demented grandmother this is a fraud though on a micro scale. But multiply it by thousand. Do it in nursing homes. Then do it in community centers in minority areas and ghettos for people who would never vote. You incentivize them and twist their arms. This is no different than ballot stuffing but impossible to be proven as a fraud, yet everybody knows about it.


    “Trump was checkmated from the beginning when Dem controlled states allowed mail voting “due to Covid”. Without mail voting, Trump would have won.”
    – Exactly.

    Yet, the win of Biden was marginal.

    https://www.unz.com/article/first-thoughts-on-the-election/#comment-4266647
    Despite of being subjected to 24/7 psychological warfare including the skewed poll results of two digit Biden’s advantage, that Trump would be swept by a Tsunami, 50% of Americans voted for Trump. Biden’s win depends on trickling of minute streams of votes of dubious origins. The near majority of Americans demonstrated an amazing immunity and resilience to incessant propaganda and mind conditioning that Trump would be defeated in a land slide. It seems that half of America lives in different reality than that that was conjured for them by media. How did they manage to shield themselves from the media onslaught? Regardless of the final outcome we are witnessing the greatest defeat of the liberal virtual reality control machine.

    Even Joe Scarborough agrees:

    Joe Scarborough calls the election result an ‘absolute repudiation of the Democratic party as a brand’ and says Biden’s win will be a ‘one-off’
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8924197/Morning-Joe-calls-election-absolute-repudiation-Democrats.html

    And Andrew Yang knows why:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8922985/Andrew-Yang-leads-Democrats-tearing-party-turning-urban-coastal-elite.html
    Andrew Yang tears into the Democrats for becoming a party of ‘urban coastal elites’ who have abandoned the working class and are more concerned with ‘policing cultural issues’ after their dismal results

    • Thanks: vhrm
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @utu

    There has been push back against Yang from other Democrats - Blacks are working class and Democrats love blacks who love them back, so there's no issue between Democrats and the working class. There's an issue between Democrats and white racists which is right and proper because it's right and proper to hate racists and not want them in your party.

    You are right about the 24/7 psychological warfare. Ironically, this worked better on suburban whites who are more tuned into the major media and more sensitive about their neighbor's opinions. Working class whites already know that our ruling class despises them so that anything that the ruling class pushes just makes them more likely to do the opposite, to the extent that they follow the line of the editorial page of the NY Times at all, which is not much.

    Replies: @Abe

    , @Corvinus
    @utu

    “Trump was checkmated from the beginning when Dem controlled states allowed mail voting “due to Covid”. Without mail voting, Trump would have won.” – Exactly.“

    Lol. Citizens have had this opportunity to vote this way in the past. Educate yourself.

    https://time.com/5892357/voting-by-mail-history/

    Replies: @Hibernian, @MB

    , @syonredux
    @utu

    My Father is in his 80s and legally blind. I both filled-in his mail-in ballot for him and dropped it off. Had I wanted to, I could have altered every single one of his choices.

    In terms of potential voter fraud, mail-in voting is a big problem.

    , @Anonymous
    @utu


    When you fill up the mail in ballot for your demented grandmother this is a fraud though on a micro scale. But multiply it by thousand. Do it in nursing homes. Then do it in community centers in minority areas and ghettos for people who would never vote. You incentivize them and twist their arms. This is no different than ballot stuffing but impossible to be proven as a fraud, yet everybody knows about it.
     
    Ballot harvesting is not the same thing as fraud. It's an extension of canvassing, phone calls, and "ground game". It's well known that canvassing - going around door to door urging and reminding people to vote for certain candidates - increases turnout and influences votes in the direction of the canvassers' candidates.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  64. @MLK
    @MLK

    So my view at this point is that PA is a can of worms the Democrats are desperate not to have opened.

    That means they need two of NV, AZ and GA. The problem being that there is undoubtably massive voter fraud in all three.

    A big factor is on which party has time on their side. In my view this emphatically switched to Republicans when the Democrats and their Allied Media couldn't declare Biden the winner by last night.

    Republicans now have had plenty of time to investigate and get prepared for the litigation phase and this even before one or the other is declared the winner and we proceed through the inevitable re-canvases and recounts.

    The most significant next turn of the screw is, as I mentioned above, whether the Democrats are going to have to rely on PA and whether they even will if they have to. I will not be at all surprised, if the Democrats can be declared the winner in two or three of NV, GA, and AZ, if they simply let PA go to Trump rather than pursue those electoral votes to the bitter end.

    Replies: @MLK

    Okay, since I wrote this the Democrats had their Allied Media (Fox included) pull the trigger, declaring Sleepy Joe the winner in PA and thus President-Elect.

    I maintain what I said earlier, this was out of necessity given the trend in AZ.

    Amusingly, before they did so Fake News CNN had removed AK and NC — the two states Trump is ahead in –from their 1/3 of the screen chart of states not called.

    They needed to move before they risked a shift back in the narrative.

    Believe me, I’m not in the least saying Trump has the upper hand. Just that under the totality of their vote steal in progress PA wasn’t the state they wanted to use to put Sleepy Joe over the top.

    It’s impossible to overstate how important the results out of AZ have become. IF called for Trump, there’s a good likelihood of a wholesale narrative shift if AK and NC are thereafter. It’s a straight-up battle over PA if GA is as well.

    Meanwhile, Trump is cool as a cucumber, which has to be driving the Democrats and their Allied Media insane:

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/trump-heads-golf-bidens-hopes-become-president-fade-despite-amazing-charisma/

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @syonredux
    @MLK

    My Father is in his 80s and legally blind. I filled-in his mail-in ballot for him and dropped it off. Had I wanted to, I could have altered every single one of his choices.

    In terms of potential voter fraud, mail-in voting is a big problem.

  65. @Altai
    The thing about the allegations of vote fraud is that they emerge from the fact that Trump's election was never accepted as legitimate and the establishment spent 4 years making it clear they were out to get Trump.

    This coupled with the massive amounts of absentee voting due to covid and you have the perfect storm. Because this outcome can seem plausible enough in either reality. The lockdowns and extra time and effort to get people to vote mean a massive turnout and a massive turnout in cohorts in favour of Biden. And the order they were counted in some states meant they came in a massive bunch and often late into the night.

    Thus whether the election was stolen or not, it would look very very similar.

    I also don't think it would require that many people to do this, with all the stuff going on with absentee ballots and cover from the media, people would likely go along with it and dismiss anything that looked slightly odd.

    But again, if the results had come in normally and there was no count stop, would anyone think there was anything amiss? Trump lost his share among white males and turnout among non-whites was massively greater even if he won more of them, they were still majority against him and came out in much greater numbers.

    Replies: @Altai, @Thoughts, @James Speaks, @res, @Excal, @Ben tillman

    Q: If Sally, Ted, and Bill can falsify 1,260 votes per hour, how manyhours does it take LaQuan, Jamal, Fukeisha, S’alee (Sally), Nuyaqwana and Riquan to falsify 125,000 ballots?

    A: 198 hours because they work at a slower pace and you have to retrain them every fifteen minutes.

  66. @utu
    @Jack D

    Vote harvesting was the main factor in Trumps loss:


    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/maga-cope/#comment-4269885

    When you fill up the mail in ballot for your demented grandmother this is a fraud though on a micro scale. But multiply it by thousand. Do it in nursing homes. Then do it in community centers in minority areas and ghettos for people who would never vote. You incentivize them and twist their arms. This is no different than ballot stuffing but impossible to be proven as a fraud, yet everybody knows about it.
     

    "Trump was checkmated from the beginning when Dem controlled states allowed mail voting “due to Covid”. Without mail voting, Trump would have won."
    - Exactly.

    Yet, the win of Biden was marginal.

    https://www.unz.com/article/first-thoughts-on-the-election/#comment-4266647
    Despite of being subjected to 24/7 psychological warfare including the skewed poll results of two digit Biden’s advantage, that Trump would be swept by a Tsunami, 50% of Americans voted for Trump. Biden’s win depends on trickling of minute streams of votes of dubious origins. The near majority of Americans demonstrated an amazing immunity and resilience to incessant propaganda and mind conditioning that Trump would be defeated in a land slide. It seems that half of America lives in different reality than that that was conjured for them by media. How did they manage to shield themselves from the media onslaught? Regardless of the final outcome we are witnessing the greatest defeat of the liberal virtual reality control machine.
     
    Even Joe Scarborough agrees:

    Joe Scarborough calls the election result an ‘absolute repudiation of the Democratic party as a brand’ and says Biden’s win will be a ‘one-off’
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8924197/Morning-Joe-calls-election-absolute-repudiation-Democrats.html
     
    And Andrew Yang knows why:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8922985/Andrew-Yang-leads-Democrats-tearing-party-turning-urban-coastal-elite.html
    Andrew Yang tears into the Democrats for becoming a party of 'urban coastal elites' who have abandoned the working class and are more concerned with 'policing cultural issues' after their dismal results
     

    Replies: @Jack D, @Corvinus, @syonredux, @Anonymous

    There has been push back against Yang from other Democrats – Blacks are working class and Democrats love blacks who love them back, so there’s no issue between Democrats and the working class. There’s an issue between Democrats and white racists which is right and proper because it’s right and proper to hate racists and not want them in your party.

    You are right about the 24/7 psychological warfare. Ironically, this worked better on suburban whites who are more tuned into the major media and more sensitive about their neighbor’s opinions. Working class whites already know that our ruling class despises them so that anything that the ruling class pushes just makes them more likely to do the opposite, to the extent that they follow the line of the editorial page of the NY Times at all, which is not much.

    • Replies: @Abe
    @Jack D


    You are right about the 24/7 psychological warfare. Ironically, this worked better on suburban whites who are more tuned into the major media and more sensitive about their neighbor’s opinions. Working class whites already know that our ruling class despises them so that anything that the ruling class pushes just makes them more likely to do the opposite, to the extent that they follow the line of the editorial page of the NY Times at all, which is not much.
     
    This was the P$SSY-WHIPPED election. Trump lost significant support among white men. Based on (yes, anecdotal) information I’m betting it was middle class and white collar professional white men and they were arm-twisted into doing so by their wives. Speaking personally I had to (no joke) steam open my ballot and alter it for Trump after voting Biden in front of my wife. 24/7 media gaslighting literally turned her insane- at least 10 hours each day of CNN/MSNBC rage-ahol (she’s a honemaker) every day for the last 4 years (no exaggeration on any of these stats). She threatened separation if I voted for Trump again which, even if only a bluff, would have created another 4 years of domestic turmoil regardless of who won.

    And yet- the self-emasculation of so many men I know was pathetic. In 2018 I visited relatives- kind, sweet, intelligent people under normal circumstances, yet the vulture-like glean in their eyes as they followed every tune of the Mueller investigation as it wended its way through the public colon! Ah ha!- they’ve subpoena’d Trump’s accountant- this will finally reveal the evidence to take him down!

    My alumni volunteer work at the Best University on Earth(TM) this week has gotten me many unsolicitedly TMI email replies from “male” alumni about how they’ve been too busy to reply to our drive because they’ve been glued to their screens watching the counts with light alcohol beverages in-hand to regulate their fragile emotional states. What pu$$ies!

    I was on calls this week with colleagues- again, the nicest, smartest, sweetest guys you could wish for in terms of co-workers and I work in a technical field so these are engineering school graduates. Again with the unsolicited emotional menstruation about the election and vote count, about their feelings of emotional vulnerability over it and how close their mental health was to the precipice. What pu$$ies!

    There will not be another “white nationalist” candidate after Trump, but given how there is no intra-white solidarity I’m OK with that now. Remember that Oregon and Washington were, yet again, not even in play this election despite 80% white demographics. Remember that Minnesota, despite having its nice main metropolis city looted and burned by the forces of BLM, did not vote Trump. Remember that Virginia is now blue thanks to the influx of white middle class professionals thanks to Dubya turning its northern suburbs into Invade the World Inc. company towns, and that North Carolina and even Arizona are now purple thanks to the infestation of thousands of “Californians”.

    Let it hearten you the polls were dead wrong again. Let it hearten you that this election was basically a tie. Let it hearten you that Trump got a bigger slice of the black vote than any GOP candidate in memory despite, objectively, taking the least sh!t from blacks of any Republican President in memory (remember it was Popi Bush who pioneered the wonderful precedent of double jeopardy trials by bringing up the Rodney King cops on civil rights charges). Let it hearten you that a very large segment of the white population is perfectly fine with being vilified and having their heritage dismantled so long as the great white mind control device (TV) assures them this is right and proper (the outcome is still bad, but if so many of its victims don’t care, doesn’t that take the weight off a bit?)

    Most of all, though, Trump taught me to be a better man- don’t get disheartened, don’t worry too much about tomorrow or outcomes you can’t control right now, keep fighting for yourself and what you believe in no matter the odds.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Joe Stalin, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @Ben tillman, @nebulafox

  67. They’ve been telegraphing/projecting this for months:

    May:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/america-likely-wont-know-presidential-race-winner-on-election-night-2020-5

    July: They’re certain it won’t be because of fraud:

    https://www.wcax.com/2020/07/31/delayed-election-results-maybe-but-not-because-of-fraud/

    Cognitive dissonance… or disinformation??? “Biden is up by 17… but we won’t know the results on election night”:

    February:

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/484723-biden-leads-by-18-points-in-south-carolina-poll

    October:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/13/election-poll-biden-leads-trump-17-points

  68. The media has just called the election for Biden within the last hour.

    Trump should fight this out to the end and expose whatever shenanigans happened so we all have a record, so everyone knows what games to watch for next time, and so Biden is as delegitimized as possible.

    But I don’t believe that the end result will be affected, and I can’t really say I’m surprised by this. It really isn’t that easy to lose reelection as a president, historically, especially in a year of national crisis. But Trump found a way to do it. As I said previously, as Sinatra sang, he did it his way. At least he beat the expectations of the polls.

    Best take I’ve seen so far:

    • Agree: Mr. Anon
    • LOL: LondonBob
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Thomas


    Had Ivanka married Tom Brady, Trump would have had been re-elected
     
    What if Donald had married Gisele Bündchen?

    Would he have been re-elected? Would Bolsonaro?

    Replies: @Thomas

  69. @Thomas
    Speaking of machines, this isn't 1982. Vote counting and tabulation is done digitally and voting is sometimes done digitally as well. Everybody is thinking of voter fraud as meaning boxes of phony paper ballots showing up in vans but why would you do that in 2020? Especially if your side includes, probably, CIA or other deep state types (with experience in rigging elections worldwide) plus Big Tech? Back in 2000 and after, the Left was very exercised for a few years about Diebold voting machines and how Bush had somehow used them to steal the election.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZRzDoomT9rSO/

    Replies: @anon

    Speaking of machines, this isn’t 1982. Vote counting and tabulation is done digitally and voting is sometimes done digitally as well.

    What do you mean by the word “digitally”? How are mail-in paper ballots “digital”? Are provisional ballots also “digital”?

    Try again?

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @anon

    The counting is all digital. Do you think they're tallying votes in a bound ledger?

    Replies: @anon

  70. @Corvinus
    "The New York Times Opinion section explains that vote fraud is practically impossible"

    The New York Times Opinion section explains that voter fraud in a presidential election through conspiracy is virtually impossible. Fixed it for you, Mr. Sailer. Your welcome.

    "Seriously, my guess is that it will ultimately turn out that Biden will win by enough votes in enough states that the overall election result will have been honest".

    More tricks, eh, Mr. Sailer? You take a page from the NYT by burying the lede until the last sentence, then offer your "aw, shucks, I'm not really saying it, but I am saying it" by giving the impression there was massive voter fraud in Democratic strongholds, but not to the point that the outcome was tainted and/or should be overturned. In that way, you can still continue on with your future narrative construction.

    "But, c’mon, don’t yank our chain about how it’s crazy to worry that Democrats might cheat. They’ve done it before, over and over."

    Sure, there have been reported cases of cheating by Democrats. But don't yank our chain by not NOTICING how Trump in his mind from the get-go was 100% going to win re-election, and that if he lost, then there was massive cheating, thus stoking up fears and offering wild claims without hard, conclusive evidence.

    Regardless, please put your skills to the test by providing specific case examples with analytical data that exactly shows how widespread, perpetual fraud is being committed in those areas you cited. You have Benford's law at your disposal. Yeah, about that...

    https://rss.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1740-9713.2016.00919.x

    https://www.pnas.org/content/116/1/106

    Replies: @onetwothree, @Sean, @ic1000, @James Speaks

    If there was actual evidence of widespread fraud, two things would be known:
    (1) There would be multiple indictments, and
    (2) The fraudsters would have to have been unbelievably stupid.

    What we have are numerous fraud indicators:
    (1) Stopping the vote counting in the middle of the night when the predicted Trump victory margin would be known, followed by sudden turnaround in vote totals.
    (2) Lack of transparency (keeping R watchers out) during the vote adjustment process.
    (3) Failure of alleged fraudsters to mark the down ticket races, thus allowing R representatives to retake House seats.
    (4) Benford’s Law
    (5) Instances of N * 1000 vote suprises

    Of course, all of this is nonsense. To believe in masssive vote fraud by inner city politicians and Negroes, one would have to assume that widespread corruption exists among inner city politicians or that Negroes are willing to disobey the law for personal gain.

    The will of the people has been suppressed; the only right decision, according to the 14th amendment, is to allow the election to be determined in the House according to state delegations, which we can assume were elected according to the will of the people and thus representing the will of the people.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @James Speaks

    “What we have are numerous fraud indicators”

    Alleged indicators.

    “(1) Stopping the vote counting in the middle of the night when the predicted Trump victory margin would be known, followed by sudden turnaround in vote totals.”

    Predicted by whom? The only guarantee was by Trump. Furthermore, what specific evidence do you have in those contested states that the ballots were compromised and/or the counting process was done fraudulently?

    (2) Lack of transparency (keeping R watchers out) during the vote adjustment process.

    To the contrary, the R watchers had access, just access that was not previously done before.

    (3) Failure of alleged fraudsters to mark the down ticket races, thus allowing R representatives to retake House seats.

    ???

    (4) Benford’s Law

    So what is your analysis here? Show your work.

    (5) Instances of N * 1000 vote suprises

    Sources?

    “The will of the people has been suppressed; the only right decision, according to the 14th amendment, is to allow the election to be determined in the House according to state delegations, which we can assume were elected according to the will of the people and thus representing the will of the people.”

    It’s just likely that the electorate that came out on droves simply were tired of Trumps antics, ranging from white men to Blue Dog Democrats to evangelicals, and voted for Biden. That’s the will of the people. You don’t get a do over because if your temper tantrum.

  71. If Visa and Mastercard can accurately handle hundreds of millions of transactions every day there is no reason we cannot all vote securely on the same day and know the outcome of an election within an hour of the polls closing. Every ATM in the nation could be a polling station for those without an ISP.

    They would just have a EBT type card and a confirmation number same as their bank card.There would also be a photograph of them voting same as if they had withdrawn cash. If the same face shows up voting under multiple identities or locations the person would be arrested and charged with voting fraud.

  72. anon[153] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, is the GOP going to allow both GA Senate Special Elections to go through?

    I can’t imagine them risking losing those and allowing a Dem Senate majority (after what Dems promised to do if they got one).

    I think they are going to force Dems to withdraw one (probably Ossoff) in exchange for a smooth transfer to Biden (which they could really muck up if they wanted since GOP controls almost all the electoral vote-awarding legislatures in swing states).

    Otherwise, if Dems did win both GA Senate seats and majority, I think there would be serious risk of some kind of civil war. A party that promised to radically alter society if they got that majority who got it via an election a huge chunk of the populace would regard as illegitimate.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @anon

    Georgia is not going to elect Warnock; he's in the runoff because Loefler and Perdue almost evenly split the Republican, and probably a lot of the Independent, and even some of the Democratic, vote. As for Ossoff vs. Perdue, Perdue at least has proven to have an advantage over Ossoff of about 2% on Nov. 3rd. I think Perdue and Loefler will reinforce each other; not so sure that Ossoff and Warnock will.

    Replies: @anon

  73. Fraud on a scale to affect a presidential election, or even to tip one state, would require planning, coordination, good luck and a high tolerance for risk. The chances of pulling it off are extremely slim.

    “Cheaters never prosper.”

    It doesn’t have to be “pulled off”. It only has to have been attempted. Ask Hillary. She worked on a certain impeachment effort as a cub lawyer.

    Cheaters must lose, even if they would have won anyway. Imagine a champion club with a safe probability of a win, but not with a margin sufficient to attain a certain point spread. They would have won by ten, but need to win by twenty. So they cheat. Run up the score.

    They’re caught. Do you take away their win, or only their point spread?

    Every non-HR staffer in Silicon Valley, every graduate of the Indian Institute of Technology, every manager of a Las Vegas or remote Indian casino* is aware of Benford’s law, the similar law of probability of streaks in a coin-flip sequence, and other such mathematical detectors of fraudulent activity.

    They’re playing dumb. If, as Corvinus maintains, this is the “will of the people”, then the people themselves are accomplices. They fully deserve to have their results thrown out. You have to return your fenced property, with no money back.

    *Dot and feather in the same sentence!

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Reg Cæsar

    "If, as Corvinus maintains, this is the “will of the people”, then the people themselves are accomplices."

    LOL, for coming out in droves and indicating that Trump no longer was deemed to be worthy as president by way of their vote?

    Replies: @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @Reg Cæsar

  74. @Thomas
    The media has just called the election for Biden within the last hour.

    Trump should fight this out to the end and expose whatever shenanigans happened so we all have a record, so everyone knows what games to watch for next time, and so Biden is as delegitimized as possible.

    But I don't believe that the end result will be affected, and I can't really say I'm surprised by this. It really isn't that easy to lose reelection as a president, historically, especially in a year of national crisis. But Trump found a way to do it. As I said previously, as Sinatra sang, he did it his way. At least he beat the expectations of the polls.

    Best take I've seen so far:

    https://twitter.com/RyanGirdusky/status/1325118250255003655

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Had Ivanka married Tom Brady, Trump would have had been re-elected

    What if Donald had married Gisele Bündchen?

    Would he have been re-elected? Would Bolsonaro?

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @Reg Cæsar

    I don't imagine either Tom Brady or Gisele Buendchen would have been seen as some sort of Wunderkind who could do anything from bring piece to the Middle East to run a presidential campaign.

  75. @ic1000
    @Corvinus

    I can't find the Silly button under Agree/Disagree/Etc.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @res

    Since you an amateur digital sleuth, why do you not take your alleged skills to the Trump camp pro bono? You claim to have NOTICED patterns of clear voting pattern irregularities, right, through your own investigation of the data. It is your constitutional duty. Now, the “late counting” of mail in balloting was due to different state election laws on when to process them. And due to the giant backlog of mail-in ballots, it is other than surprising that votes are still being counted as we speak. Moreover, mail in balloting has traditionally “skewed Democrat”, and up until this time, there was scant attention to it when it came to potential voter fraud.

    • LOL: ic1000
  76. @Reg Cæsar

    Fraud on a scale to affect a presidential election, or even to tip one state, would require planning, coordination, good luck and a high tolerance for risk. The chances of pulling it off are extremely slim.

     

    "Cheaters never prosper."

    It doesn't have to be "pulled off". It only has to have been attempted. Ask Hillary. She worked on a certain impeachment effort as a cub lawyer.

    Cheaters must lose, even if they would have won anyway. Imagine a champion club with a safe probability of a win, but not with a margin sufficient to attain a certain point spread. They would have won by ten, but need to win by twenty. So they cheat. Run up the score.

    They're caught. Do you take away their win, or only their point spread?


    Every non-HR staffer in Silicon Valley, every graduate of the Indian Institute of Technology, every manager of a Las Vegas or remote Indian casino* is aware of Benford's law, the similar law of probability of streaks in a coin-flip sequence, and other such mathematical detectors of fraudulent activity.

    They're playing dumb. If, as Corvinus maintains, this is the "will of the people", then the people themselves are accomplices. They fully deserve to have their results thrown out. You have to return your fenced property, with no money back.

    *Dot and feather in the same sentence!

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “If, as Corvinus maintains, this is the “will of the people”, then the people themselves are accomplices.”

    LOL, for coming out in droves and indicating that Trump no longer was deemed to be worthy as president by way of their vote?

    • Replies: @Athletic and Whitesplosive
    @Corvinus

    What state is your life in that this is how you spend your time?

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Corvinus

    Well, then, you can cheer the end of Trump enforcement of the white-supremacist federal anti-FGM law. That will be the first to go.

  77. @ic1000
    @megabar

    > I also think it’s likely that Biden has enough honest votes to win.

    Agree.

    Here is the Sept. 1 Axios article that (I think) coined "Red Mirage", Exclusive: Dem group warns of apparent Trump Election Day landslide.

    Earlier, William Jacobson predicted that late counting of the Democratic-skewed mail-in ballots would produce unjustified "election stolen" outrage on the right and provide opportunities for election misconduct.

    Both seem to have come true.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    > I also think it’s likely that Biden has enough honest votes to win.

    Agree.

    If cheating occurred, that’s irrelevant, isn’t it? Only one of the tomatoes in your stew has botulism. Would you eat it?

    • Replies: @megabar
    @Reg Cæsar

    > If cheating occurred, that’s irrelevant, isn’t it?

    Yes and no. First, cheaters should be punished, and for this crime, severely so.

    Next, any actual cheating justifies further investigation into finding out if it's reasonable to conclude that all cheating votes have been purged. If so, the election stands with the legal votes counted. If not, you have no choice but to re-vote.

    In you analogy, if you were _convinced_ the stew was now safe, and it would be costly to find other food, you'd eat it. Yes, it's a bit strained because the analogy is biased towards not eating it.

  78. Seriously, my guess is that it will ultimately turn out that Biden will win by enough votes in enough states that the overall election result will have been honest.

    If the results are legit, then the White House may simply be out of reach for Republicans. Sure, COVID was a historic headwind for the GOP, but BLM was a historic tailwind. If Dems can win the White House against the most popular and charismatic Republican candidate in 36 years with Joe Biden, how would Republicans win next time?

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Dave Pinsen

    How will Republicans win next time?

    There is no inevitability in human affairs, especially in politics. Example: The Dems had the Presidency in 1932, 1936, 1940, 1944, 1948: 5 out of 5 consecutive elections. But what happened in the latter part of the 20th Century? From 1968 to 1988, the Republicans won 5 out of 6 elections, two of them in popular vote landslides. And the other wins except for 1968 had a nice margin.

    How can Republicans win in 2024? Here are some though experiments. Biden will not run for election in 2024. The Dem primary will be contested. Really do you think no one will run against Kamala Harris in the primary? The voting in the Dem primary will be fractured, and decided by the super delegates, which will piss off some Dem voters. On the other side, Republicans will be enthused.

    How about this? The US will be in an unpopular war circa 2024--Biden has a record of supporting foreign intervention. A Dem who ran in the 2024 primary forms a third party, splitting the left-of center vote.

    , @Lot
    @Dave Pinsen

    “ how would Republicans win next time?”

    The answer you seek was never far away.



    https://dailyentertainmentnews.com/wpgo/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/ron-desantis-casey-desantis-1.jpg

    https://cdn-0.starsgab.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Ron-DeSantis-with-his-wife-Casey-and-children-1024x683.jpg

    Just for Colin and JohnnyWalker:



    https://progresoweekly.us/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/7c5b175e-b72e-46d6-b5cf-aea1ad33a1cf-Photo_1.jpg

  79. I was happy to see that boxing legend “Smokin’ Joe Frazier got out and voted this year.

    Yes sir, does my heart good to see a man who’s been dead since 2011 showing up to do his civic duty.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/world-champion-boxer-joe-frazier-voted-year-pennsylvania-skipped-campaigning-joe-biden-dead-since-2011/

  80. @Jack D
    @utu

    There has been push back against Yang from other Democrats - Blacks are working class and Democrats love blacks who love them back, so there's no issue between Democrats and the working class. There's an issue between Democrats and white racists which is right and proper because it's right and proper to hate racists and not want them in your party.

    You are right about the 24/7 psychological warfare. Ironically, this worked better on suburban whites who are more tuned into the major media and more sensitive about their neighbor's opinions. Working class whites already know that our ruling class despises them so that anything that the ruling class pushes just makes them more likely to do the opposite, to the extent that they follow the line of the editorial page of the NY Times at all, which is not much.

    Replies: @Abe

    You are right about the 24/7 psychological warfare. Ironically, this worked better on suburban whites who are more tuned into the major media and more sensitive about their neighbor’s opinions. Working class whites already know that our ruling class despises them so that anything that the ruling class pushes just makes them more likely to do the opposite, to the extent that they follow the line of the editorial page of the NY Times at all, which is not much.

    This was the P$SSY-WHIPPED election. Trump lost significant support among white men. Based on (yes, anecdotal) information I’m betting it was middle class and white collar professional white men and they were arm-twisted into doing so by their wives. Speaking personally I had to (no joke) steam open my ballot and alter it for Trump after voting Biden in front of my wife. 24/7 media gaslighting literally turned her insane- at least 10 hours each day of CNN/MSNBC rage-ahol (she’s a honemaker) every day for the last 4 years (no exaggeration on any of these stats). She threatened separation if I voted for Trump again which, even if only a bluff, would have created another 4 years of domestic turmoil regardless of who won.

    And yet- the self-emasculation of so many men I know was pathetic. In 2018 I visited relatives- kind, sweet, intelligent people under normal circumstances, yet the vulture-like glean in their eyes as they followed every tune of the Mueller investigation as it wended its way through the public colon! Ah ha!- they’ve subpoena’d Trump’s accountant- this will finally reveal the evidence to take him down!

    My alumni volunteer work at the Best University on Earth(TM) this week has gotten me many unsolicitedly TMI email replies from “male” alumni about how they’ve been too busy to reply to our drive because they’ve been glued to their screens watching the counts with light alcohol beverages in-hand to regulate their fragile emotional states. What pu$$ies!

    I was on calls this week with colleagues- again, the nicest, smartest, sweetest guys you could wish for in terms of co-workers and I work in a technical field so these are engineering school graduates. Again with the unsolicited emotional menstruation about the election and vote count, about their feelings of emotional vulnerability over it and how close their mental health was to the precipice. What pu$$ies!

    There will not be another “white nationalist” candidate after Trump, but given how there is no intra-white solidarity I’m OK with that now. Remember that Oregon and Washington were, yet again, not even in play this election despite 80% white demographics. Remember that Minnesota, despite having its nice main metropolis city looted and burned by the forces of BLM, did not vote Trump. Remember that Virginia is now blue thanks to the influx of white middle class professionals thanks to Dubya turning its northern suburbs into Invade the World Inc. company towns, and that North Carolina and even Arizona are now purple thanks to the infestation of thousands of “Californians”.

    Let it hearten you the polls were dead wrong again. Let it hearten you that this election was basically a tie. Let it hearten you that Trump got a bigger slice of the black vote than any GOP candidate in memory despite, objectively, taking the least sh!t from blacks of any Republican President in memory (remember it was Popi Bush who pioneered the wonderful precedent of double jeopardy trials by bringing up the Rodney King cops on civil rights charges). Let it hearten you that a very large segment of the white population is perfectly fine with being vilified and having their heritage dismantled so long as the great white mind control device (TV) assures them this is right and proper (the outcome is still bad, but if so many of its victims don’t care, doesn’t that take the weight off a bit?)

    Most of all, though, Trump taught me to be a better man- don’t get disheartened, don’t worry too much about tomorrow or outcomes you can’t control right now, keep fighting for yourself and what you believe in no matter the odds.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @Abe

    Let it hearten you that Trump got a bigger slice of the black vote than any GOP candidate in memory

    Trump traded away huge numbers of white suburban female votes in exchange for modest numbers of inner city black male votes and hispanic votes. That may not have been the best strategy in retrospect.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Abe

    , @Joe Stalin
    @Abe


    Speaking personally I had to (no joke) steam open my ballot and alter it for Trump after voting Biden in front of my wife. 24/7 media gaslighting literally turned her insane- at least 10 hours each day of CNN/MSNBC rage-ahol (she’s a honemaker) every day for the last 4 years (no exaggeration on any of these stats).
     
    You do know the CIA has a tool for that, don't you?

    https://www.cia.gov/++theme++contextual.agencytheme/images/mucollection/artifacts/450x360/museum_oss_letter_removal_device_letter_007.jpg
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Abe

    I have read your comments before, Abe, and have mostly agreed with you. This one is just staggering to me.

    First of all, I'm gonna sound like a broken record, OK, if you don't know what that is, a guy going by the handle Freddie who used to comment on Zerohedge, when I say: Get off the TV!. Everyone. If you don't, you should not claim that you are in any way opposed to what's coming. I have had a commenter here telling me I write this to feel virtuous. No, I write this to tell people to get the fuck off the damn TV! Period!

    Now, Abe, it sounds like you have more of a family than just your wife. Otherwise, I assume you would have gotten out of this misery long ago, as I would have. With kids, you can't do that. Men are in a big bind in today's marriages, since the kids can be taken from you, along with the less-important house you sweated to fix up, and whatever else. Rosie, just stifle yourself! You promised you wouldn't comment to me (but what is a promise to a woman, especially a feminist?)

    You said you're not exaggerating, but 10 hours daily in front of the idiot plate? Even 3 I find horrid.

    I guess I picked well, because my wife would never deign to tell me who to vote for. Not only that, but I told her flat out in '16, when she did not really care about politics anyway, that I would not help her register if she didn't promise to vote for Trump. She said "I dunno", and I said "OK, well we don't need to go down there.". No hard feelings resulted.

    You know what helps, Abe? No TV. (We have the screen for occasional videos, but the thing is neither hooked up to cable nor the antenna that I spent 3 hours putting up on the roof years ago. (The wind eventually knocked the cable around and broke it. Jimmy crack corn, and I don't care.)

    Oh, and I agree wholeheartedly with TWS here on Amendment XIX. Rosie, stifle!

    I gotta write you some more in a minute about the other stuff.

    Replies: @Abe

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Abe

    Question: Are these "engineers" actual engineers or computer people, Abe? Unless they are foreigners, I have not been around engineers who don't have the common sense and logic to know what's going on in politics at least the littlest bit. I find it hard to believe that the ones you talk to are showing "unsolicited emotional menstruation about the election and vote count, about their feelings of emotional vulnerability over it and how close their mental health was to the precipice." "What pu$$ies!" Indeed.

    As for your main point, I truly don't think the "pussy-whipping" factor can be that large. How many people mailed in ballots anyway, as opposed to going there and doing it? (Whether early or not, you still vote on your own. I even considered helping my wife out with a few of the selections, but I figured the people in there would have frowned on that.)

    Could the major factor not have been many, educated or not, white people giving up on Trump as he pandered to blacks to the tune of 1/2 a Trillion bucks, told us how great they were doing in the job market, etc. If I hadn't read the very recent VDare info. on Trump's under-the-radar progress on immigration (easily reversible, though), I may have been disheartened enough to not vote either. How many people follow the details of the news that closely, Abe?

    Of course, just the "stick the ctrl-left in the eye with a Trump win" factor would probably have still motivated me. Trump would have won this thing easily if he had campaigned on some of this small successes that were done to help out the average American, still a white person, for now.

    PS: I agree completely about the voter replacement in northern Virginia and the rest. It's not just Californicators that flipped Nevada (in '16, at least) but plenty of illegal aliens and their progeny, brought in to do the "gaming" work that Americans just wouldn't do.

    Replies: @Abe

    , @Ben tillman
    @Abe

    Trump did not lose significant support among white men.

    , @nebulafox
    @Abe

    One relative who is normally liberal but sane got very pissy when I shared a clip of Beavis and Butthead laughing and I compared them to Biden and Trump. Apparently mocking the whole situation for the sick, sad joke it is (two corrupt, senile septuagenerians competing for nuclear access codes) is Immoral.

    I am beginning to regret quitting alcohol cold turkey every time my right and left wing relatives argue. Thank God they never would turn theie backs on each other though. My family is far from a paragon of virtue at times, but damn if we do not stick together.

    Replies: @Abe

  81. anon[213] • Disclaimer says:

    In the 1982 Illinois investigation iSteve provided, note “The absent voter” as one source of fraud. People who for whatever reason won’t be around on election day, and so their vote can be cast by a fraudster.

    In 2020 Nevada thousands of mail-in ballots were apparently provided by people who no longer live in Nevada; absent voters who still vote. This has been a factor in other elections; people who vote in both New York and Florida, for example.

    The margin in Nevada is small enough to be affected by illegal voters who reside outside the state but who still voted in Nevada via mail-in ballot. In fact they may have illegally voted in two states. This is the basis for a lawsuit already filed in Federal court.

    Also there are some number of Nevada residents who showed up to vote in person, only to find that their vote was stolen by someone else who voted by mail in their name. This is a Federal crime, arguably a Civil Rights violation, and each incidence ought to be punished with Federal prison terms. One such case is also part of the Federal lawsuit.

    The NY Times is just gaslighting. Again.

  82. @utu
    @Jack D

    Vote harvesting was the main factor in Trumps loss:


    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/maga-cope/#comment-4269885

    When you fill up the mail in ballot for your demented grandmother this is a fraud though on a micro scale. But multiply it by thousand. Do it in nursing homes. Then do it in community centers in minority areas and ghettos for people who would never vote. You incentivize them and twist their arms. This is no different than ballot stuffing but impossible to be proven as a fraud, yet everybody knows about it.
     

    "Trump was checkmated from the beginning when Dem controlled states allowed mail voting “due to Covid”. Without mail voting, Trump would have won."
    - Exactly.

    Yet, the win of Biden was marginal.

    https://www.unz.com/article/first-thoughts-on-the-election/#comment-4266647
    Despite of being subjected to 24/7 psychological warfare including the skewed poll results of two digit Biden’s advantage, that Trump would be swept by a Tsunami, 50% of Americans voted for Trump. Biden’s win depends on trickling of minute streams of votes of dubious origins. The near majority of Americans demonstrated an amazing immunity and resilience to incessant propaganda and mind conditioning that Trump would be defeated in a land slide. It seems that half of America lives in different reality than that that was conjured for them by media. How did they manage to shield themselves from the media onslaught? Regardless of the final outcome we are witnessing the greatest defeat of the liberal virtual reality control machine.
     
    Even Joe Scarborough agrees:

    Joe Scarborough calls the election result an ‘absolute repudiation of the Democratic party as a brand’ and says Biden’s win will be a ‘one-off’
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8924197/Morning-Joe-calls-election-absolute-repudiation-Democrats.html
     
    And Andrew Yang knows why:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8922985/Andrew-Yang-leads-Democrats-tearing-party-turning-urban-coastal-elite.html
    Andrew Yang tears into the Democrats for becoming a party of 'urban coastal elites' who have abandoned the working class and are more concerned with 'policing cultural issues' after their dismal results
     

    Replies: @Jack D, @Corvinus, @syonredux, @Anonymous

    “Trump was checkmated from the beginning when Dem controlled states allowed mail voting “due to Covid”. Without mail voting, Trump would have won.” – Exactly.“

    Lol. Citizens have had this opportunity to vote this way in the past. Educate yourself.

    https://time.com/5892357/voting-by-mail-history/

    • Troll: GeneralRipper
    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Corvinus

    It's utterly juvenile to equate past absentee voting based on a good excuse with the recent (beginning pre-Covid) trend towards no excuse absentee voting or even mailing ballots to people who didn't ask for them. The proportion of total ballots which are mail in obviously is related to the potential for fraud.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @MB
    @Corvinus

    If you can't distinguish between requesting an absentee ballot and the mass mailing of mail-in ballots, you're not competent to the discussion.

    But then again, the mainscream media, the Dementia Party candidate and a whole lot of other people aren't either including to some degree, even the incumbent.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  83. @Peter Akuleyev
    @ic1000

    Remember the Republicans, other than Trump, massively outperformed polls and expectations. If there was a conspiracy it was probably McConnell and co. kicking Trump to the curb. They don’t need him anymore - the GOP will control the SC and Federal courts for decades now. Trump is a loose cannon, Biden can be rolled.

    Replies: @Corn

    the GOP will control the SC

    Clarence Thomas is no spring chicken and John Roberts is a waffler. If the Swamp Republicans figured “we have the Court, we don’t need Trump anymore” they’re being quite shortsighted.

    If the Supreme Court is their concern, they should be fighting their asses off for a Trump second term and (forgive me for being morbid) hoping Thomas retires and Breyer retires or meets his Maker in the next four years.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Corn

    Pray for good health for both of them, and R landslides in '22 and '24.

  84. @Abe
    @Jack D


    You are right about the 24/7 psychological warfare. Ironically, this worked better on suburban whites who are more tuned into the major media and more sensitive about their neighbor’s opinions. Working class whites already know that our ruling class despises them so that anything that the ruling class pushes just makes them more likely to do the opposite, to the extent that they follow the line of the editorial page of the NY Times at all, which is not much.
     
    This was the P$SSY-WHIPPED election. Trump lost significant support among white men. Based on (yes, anecdotal) information I’m betting it was middle class and white collar professional white men and they were arm-twisted into doing so by their wives. Speaking personally I had to (no joke) steam open my ballot and alter it for Trump after voting Biden in front of my wife. 24/7 media gaslighting literally turned her insane- at least 10 hours each day of CNN/MSNBC rage-ahol (she’s a honemaker) every day for the last 4 years (no exaggeration on any of these stats). She threatened separation if I voted for Trump again which, even if only a bluff, would have created another 4 years of domestic turmoil regardless of who won.

    And yet- the self-emasculation of so many men I know was pathetic. In 2018 I visited relatives- kind, sweet, intelligent people under normal circumstances, yet the vulture-like glean in their eyes as they followed every tune of the Mueller investigation as it wended its way through the public colon! Ah ha!- they’ve subpoena’d Trump’s accountant- this will finally reveal the evidence to take him down!

    My alumni volunteer work at the Best University on Earth(TM) this week has gotten me many unsolicitedly TMI email replies from “male” alumni about how they’ve been too busy to reply to our drive because they’ve been glued to their screens watching the counts with light alcohol beverages in-hand to regulate their fragile emotional states. What pu$$ies!

    I was on calls this week with colleagues- again, the nicest, smartest, sweetest guys you could wish for in terms of co-workers and I work in a technical field so these are engineering school graduates. Again with the unsolicited emotional menstruation about the election and vote count, about their feelings of emotional vulnerability over it and how close their mental health was to the precipice. What pu$$ies!

    There will not be another “white nationalist” candidate after Trump, but given how there is no intra-white solidarity I’m OK with that now. Remember that Oregon and Washington were, yet again, not even in play this election despite 80% white demographics. Remember that Minnesota, despite having its nice main metropolis city looted and burned by the forces of BLM, did not vote Trump. Remember that Virginia is now blue thanks to the influx of white middle class professionals thanks to Dubya turning its northern suburbs into Invade the World Inc. company towns, and that North Carolina and even Arizona are now purple thanks to the infestation of thousands of “Californians”.

    Let it hearten you the polls were dead wrong again. Let it hearten you that this election was basically a tie. Let it hearten you that Trump got a bigger slice of the black vote than any GOP candidate in memory despite, objectively, taking the least sh!t from blacks of any Republican President in memory (remember it was Popi Bush who pioneered the wonderful precedent of double jeopardy trials by bringing up the Rodney King cops on civil rights charges). Let it hearten you that a very large segment of the white population is perfectly fine with being vilified and having their heritage dismantled so long as the great white mind control device (TV) assures them this is right and proper (the outcome is still bad, but if so many of its victims don’t care, doesn’t that take the weight off a bit?)

    Most of all, though, Trump taught me to be a better man- don’t get disheartened, don’t worry too much about tomorrow or outcomes you can’t control right now, keep fighting for yourself and what you believe in no matter the odds.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Joe Stalin, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @Ben tillman, @nebulafox

    Let it hearten you that Trump got a bigger slice of the black vote than any GOP candidate in memory

    Trump traded away huge numbers of white suburban female votes in exchange for modest numbers of inner city black male votes and hispanic votes. That may not have been the best strategy in retrospect.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Peter Akuleyev

    What could he have done to please virtue signalling suburban females after they had been brainwashed 24/7?

    Men are a different matter. I 100% agree with Abe. I had almost the same experience as he. I absolutely refused to show my ballot to my wife although she REALLY REALLY wanted to see it to make sure that I did not vote for Trumphitler. In fact I did not fill it out until I was alone in the parking lot of the drop off point. And she was really pissed about this. But some % of men must have yielded. A few ten thousands in key states and there goes the election.

    The Republicans should have had ads directed to men about this - vote your conscience, don't let anyone tell you how to vote, don't show your ballot to anyone, preserve the American tradition of the secret ballot, etc. These could have been "non-partisan" ads like the "everyone should vote" ads. But there was nothing like that. And of course if I could have said to my wife - "I'm just doing what Anderson Cooper told us to do - keeping my ballot secret" this would have helped immeasurably. But no damn way was Anderson going to say that, for obvious reasons.

    In the past seeing your spouses (or anyone else's) ballot was out of the question because of the privacy of the voting booth. Mail in voting has destroyed the secret ballot - a long standing Democrat goal. And this has gone completely unnoticed in the midst of the Rona. Not a word was said about this anywhere. Nor is the secret ballot ever coming back again. From now on mail voting is going to be the norm. It's hard to be a "shy Trump" voter when your insanely pro-Biden family is looking over your shoulder.

    Replies: @TWS, @The Wild Geese Howard, @YetAnotherAnon

    , @Abe
    @Peter Akuleyev


    Trump traded away huge numbers of white suburban female votes in exchange for modest numbers of inner city black male votes and hispanic votes. That may not have been the best strategy in retrospect.
     
    Yes, some of the antipathy generated by Trump among suburban white women was unnecessary and gratuitous- e.g. publicly calling Carly Fiorina’s face ugly. I’m also confident Republicans will in the future do a better job of ensuring their next Presidential candidate did not cheat on his pregnant wife with a porn star.

    However, the same rage which Trump engendered among this demographic also led indirectly to the friendly fire fragging of Democratic super-delegates Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein, not to mention Al Franken and Garrison Keiller. Plus Trump manfully stood by Brett Kavanaugh when so many GOPer’s were willing to throw him under the bus. Yes to not needlessly offending soccer moms. No to surrendering to the MSM fake news zeitgeist that would make any man who was once a red-blooded American teenager ineligible for the Supreme Court and so force the nomination of ever crazier ACB-clones or closest cases.

    Don’t abandon Trump-style, fine-tune it! There must be some variation that can avoid needlessly triggering Karens while retaining enough swagger to peel off some of the brothas and sistas, though perhaps Trump really is sui generis. In any case, though, the young Reaganaut “starved virgin”** debate club captain, of which we got a double tag team helping of in Romney and Paul Ryan, seems to be a dead-end.

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/982/634/387.jpg

  85. @anon
    @Thomas

    Speaking of machines, this isn’t 1982. Vote counting and tabulation is done digitally and voting is sometimes done digitally as well.

    What do you mean by the word "digitally"? How are mail-in paper ballots "digital"? Are provisional ballots also "digital"?

    Try again?

    Replies: @Thomas

    The counting is all digital. Do you think they’re tallying votes in a bound ledger?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Thomas

    The counting is all digital.

    So what?

    Are you asserting that a "digital" count is something magical that cannot be altered, hacked or otherwise used for fraud?

    Do you think they’re tallying votes in a bound ledger?

    Non sequitur.

    What's your actual point?

    Replies: @Thomas

  86. @Reg Cæsar
    @Thomas


    Had Ivanka married Tom Brady, Trump would have had been re-elected
     
    What if Donald had married Gisele Bündchen?

    Would he have been re-elected? Would Bolsonaro?

    Replies: @Thomas

    I don’t imagine either Tom Brady or Gisele Buendchen would have been seen as some sort of Wunderkind who could do anything from bring piece to the Middle East to run a presidential campaign.

  87. @Peter Akuleyev
    Biden's totals in the city of Philadelphia are actually worse than Clinton's. Biden's gains have been in suburban areas like Allegheny county. This is a pretty sophisticated conspiracy that Steve believes in. Obviously a lot of Republicans would have to be in on this fraud as well, the Dems couldn't pull it off otherwise.

    Replies: @ic1000, @AceDeuce, @Matt Buckalew

    This is the kind of argument that would be convincing to my silly trust fund girlfriend who has never had to use her brain once in her life.

    Anyone with an IQ over 95 (so admittedly not you) would think-hey where else would be the best place to cheat other than the place where our voters didn’t turn out.

    Now this would be hard to do on the fly but if you say stopped counting the votes illegally for a few hours even you and Lot could have figured it out.

    Also hey isn’t Philly the ground central for the black Israelites (it sure was when I’d visit friends at Penn) and aren’t they vocally ambivalent about the two candidates. Gee that seems like exactly the place they would suffer low turnout and the place were people with an IQ over 95 (again not you) would start manufacturing votes.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Matt Buckalew

    In Georgia there seem to be several counties that experienced obviously fraudulent spikes.

    https://twitter.com/APhilosophae/status/1325145825786404865?s=20

    I would suggest looking at PA the same way, obvious to pad the ballots in more than just Philadelphia.

  88. @Corvinus
    @Reg Cæsar

    "If, as Corvinus maintains, this is the “will of the people”, then the people themselves are accomplices."

    LOL, for coming out in droves and indicating that Trump no longer was deemed to be worthy as president by way of their vote?

    Replies: @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @Reg Cæsar

    What state is your life in that this is how you spend your time?

  89. Something else to think about: last minute mail in ballots giving Biden the win, Trump saying it’s fraud and refusing to concede…yet no right wing militias out on the streets protesting or anything at all. Wasn’t there supposed to be a civil war starting in this scenario? Did both the media and 4chan lie?

    • Replies: @Feryl
    @Single and Ready to Drop Red Pills

    If the Supreme Court either refuses to get involved with the election results, or gets involved and sides with the Deep State, then we might see Trump militants take to the streets.

    A Biden admin over-reaching on gun control might also spur more action.

    If Big Tech continues to harass high profile Righties (including President Trump himself), that could push things up.

    Lastly, a "defeated" Trump could establish his own news network to provoke his opponents and mortally wound Fox news (who betrayed Trump by calling several states for Biden before the other networks did). This news outlet could also psyche up his supporters.

    Replies: @nymom, @Hibernian

  90. @TWS
    Steve, you can tell yourself, 'he would have won anyway' but you know in your heart it's false. Biden couldn't get a dozen people to his rallies. Trump couldn't draw less than a thousand times that number. There was such cheating that there will never be an honest election again.

    Now, maybe you're ok with that we're of an age. And your boys grew up in southern California, they expect the world to be corrupt, they'll never be janissaries to our ruling foreigners, they'll live quiet lives like their dad and maybe be good enough at what they do to earn their bread without feeling the yoke too much.

    My boys were not brought up in southern California and they became Marines after 9-11 because they couldn't stand that their fellow countrymen had been attacked. I now have grandsons old enough to fight. We can't be dhimmi here, it's not in our blood or bone. So tell yourself Biden would have won anyway, tell yourself that when the next Harris or Omar or Clinton is selected by the deep state. But there's a lot of us who can't.

    Replies: @Matt Buckalew

    Steve isn’t a fighter he never has been. He’s a manic depressive who blew two gigs with GOPe organizations when in a manic phase he got out over his skis. I think Steve thinks fighting is kind of gauche and low IQ. And to a certain extent he’s uncomfortable tussling with the people who went to the schools he couldn’t get into. (Which is a shame he’s a lot more perceptive than my HBS product dad who is just now playing catch up to damage his type let loose on the world.) That’s why he mostly sticks to sparing with with affirmative action hire radicals and female journalists.

    That said you can tell Jennifer Rubin’s list broke through his ironic detachment and definitely shook him a bit so maybe the fighting spirit will issue forth.

    • Thanks: TWS
  91. @Corvinus
    @Reg Cæsar

    "If, as Corvinus maintains, this is the “will of the people”, then the people themselves are accomplices."

    LOL, for coming out in droves and indicating that Trump no longer was deemed to be worthy as president by way of their vote?

    Replies: @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @Reg Cæsar

    Well, then, you can cheer the end of Trump enforcement of the white-supremacist federal anti-FGM law. That will be the first to go.

  92. @Redneck farmer
    We're supposed to believe the Democrats are competent enough to run the government, but not rig an election?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Wade Hampton

    We’re supposed to believe the Democrats are competent enough to run the government, but not rig an election?

    And hand the nuclear codes to an Alzheimer’s patient who breaks the age record on his first day.

  93. Anonymous[146] • Disclaimer says:

    Now I’m certain it’s true that in the 38 years since this 1982 scandal, Reforms Have Been Made (although they didn’t see to do much good in 1987). But The Establishment should at least reassure us that, “Well, sure, back in the bad old days the Rust Belt Democratic machines used to engage in vote fraud on a massive scale at times, but that couldn’t possibly happen anymore because of reasons.

    I think it had less to do with Reforms That Have Been Made and more to do with Reaganism and the GOP successfully weakening the unions and deindustrializing the economy. That along with the crackdown during the late 80s and early 90s on organized crime which had been intertwined with the Democratic machines. This significantly eroded the traditional Democratic power base in the urban north from the Northeast to the Rust Belt and Midwest. It was sort of the final nail in the coffin of the White Flight of urban white ethnics that had been initiated a couple decades earlier by black crime.

    With the traditional urban Democratic machine power base of unions, organized crime, manufacturing workers, blue collar whites, white ethnics, etc. largely diminished and White Flight’d out to the suburbs, the Democrats pivoted during the 90s to its present incarnation based around oligarchs, white gentrifiers, and handouts to the remaining black underclass in the cities. So the Democratic machines probably aren’t as well oiled as they were back in the 80s.

  94. @Thomas
    @anon

    The counting is all digital. Do you think they're tallying votes in a bound ledger?

    Replies: @anon

    The counting is all digital.

    So what?

    Are you asserting that a “digital” count is something magical that cannot be altered, hacked or otherwise used for fraud?

    Do you think they’re tallying votes in a bound ledger?

    Non sequitur.

    What’s your actual point?

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @anon


    Are you asserting that a “digital” count is something magical that cannot be altered, hacked or otherwise used for fraud?
     
    You're confused as a blind lesbian in a fish market. That was my point. Electronic records are much easier now to falsify or alter without leaving evidence. Unless you have some sort of secure authentication system, like a blockchain.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @anon

  95. @JimB
    Fraudsters stealing the election for Biden would operate just like Antifa, ISIS, or the Lucchese crime family. With total deniability that there is a top down conspiracy.

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers

    A Serb warns us to fight our stolen elections. He’s begging Americans to fight back:

    Found @ Lew Rockwell’s (of course)

    “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” ~ Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956

  96. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Abe

    Let it hearten you that Trump got a bigger slice of the black vote than any GOP candidate in memory

    Trump traded away huge numbers of white suburban female votes in exchange for modest numbers of inner city black male votes and hispanic votes. That may not have been the best strategy in retrospect.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Abe

    What could he have done to please virtue signalling suburban females after they had been brainwashed 24/7?

    Men are a different matter. I 100% agree with Abe. I had almost the same experience as he. I absolutely refused to show my ballot to my wife although she REALLY REALLY wanted to see it to make sure that I did not vote for Trumphitler. In fact I did not fill it out until I was alone in the parking lot of the drop off point. And she was really pissed about this. But some % of men must have yielded. A few ten thousands in key states and there goes the election.

    The Republicans should have had ads directed to men about this – vote your conscience, don’t let anyone tell you how to vote, don’t show your ballot to anyone, preserve the American tradition of the secret ballot, etc. These could have been “non-partisan” ads like the “everyone should vote” ads. But there was nothing like that. And of course if I could have said to my wife – “I’m just doing what Anderson Cooper told us to do – keeping my ballot secret” this would have helped immeasurably. But no damn way was Anderson going to say that, for obvious reasons.

    In the past seeing your spouses (or anyone else’s) ballot was out of the question because of the privacy of the voting booth. Mail in voting has destroyed the secret ballot – a long standing Democrat goal. And this has gone completely unnoticed in the midst of the Rona. Not a word was said about this anywhere. Nor is the secret ballot ever coming back again. From now on mail voting is going to be the norm. It’s hard to be a “shy Trump” voter when your insanely pro-Biden family is looking over your shoulder.

    • Replies: @TWS
    @Jack D

    This is why we must repeal the Nineteenth amendment.

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Jack D


    It’s hard to be a “shy Trump” voter when your insanely pro-Biden family is looking over your shoulder.
     
    ...and if that's not enough to convince those men, the Swamp cudgels of the insanely biased divorce courts lie in wait....
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Jack D

    "In the past seeing your spouses (or anyone else’s) ballot was out of the question because of the privacy of the voting booth. Mail in voting has destroyed the secret ballot – a long standing Democrat goal. And this has gone completely unnoticed in the midst of the Rona. Not a word was said about this anywhere. "

    That's why Muslim areas of the UK like postal voting. It's not even usually the husband who decides on the vote destination - it's a clan leader. Biraderi.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3181851.stm


    Biraderi clans, meaning brotherhood, are the extended clan or tribal networks that influence the UK's nearly one million strong Pakistani community.

    The networks are an extension of systems of allegiance in Pakistan itself.

    For some members, the clan gives them their strongest sense of identity and personal codes of behaviour.

    According to those with inside knowledge of the system, when a candidate is chosen for election, it will usually be a Biraderi elder.

    He will have been chosen by his clan on the basis of bloodlines rather than personal ability. His name goes out to the extended clan in Pakistan and the UK.

    Alliances between politicians and Biraderi elders in Pakistan lead to leaders travelling to the UK during elections and instructing their clan members to vote for a particular candidate. Without this support, the candidate is doomed.

     

  97. Anon[240] • Disclaimer says:

    The phrase antitrust lawyers use when they are talking about price-fixing is “conscious parallelism.” No explicit conspiracy is needed. The same goes for influencing the vote count. I think back to the Flight 800 cover-up, where the aircraft explosion was misattributed to a fuel-tank spark rather than the missile strike. Hundreds, even thousands, of actors did their part to make this happen, without ever having to organize an explicit conspiracy.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  98. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Abe

    Let it hearten you that Trump got a bigger slice of the black vote than any GOP candidate in memory

    Trump traded away huge numbers of white suburban female votes in exchange for modest numbers of inner city black male votes and hispanic votes. That may not have been the best strategy in retrospect.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Abe

    Trump traded away huge numbers of white suburban female votes in exchange for modest numbers of inner city black male votes and hispanic votes. That may not have been the best strategy in retrospect.

    Yes, some of the antipathy generated by Trump among suburban white women was unnecessary and gratuitous- e.g. publicly calling Carly Fiorina’s face ugly. I’m also confident Republicans will in the future do a better job of ensuring their next Presidential candidate did not cheat on his pregnant wife with a porn star.

    However, the same rage which Trump engendered among this demographic also led indirectly to the friendly fire fragging of Democratic super-delegates Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein, not to mention Al Franken and Garrison Keiller. Plus Trump manfully stood by Brett Kavanaugh when so many GOPer’s were willing to throw him under the bus. Yes to not needlessly offending soccer moms. No to surrendering to the MSM fake news zeitgeist that would make any man who was once a red-blooded American teenager ineligible for the Supreme Court and so force the nomination of ever crazier ACB-clones or closest cases.

    Don’t abandon Trump-style, fine-tune it! There must be some variation that can avoid needlessly triggering Karens while retaining enough swagger to peel off some of the brothas and sistas, though perhaps Trump really is sui generis. In any case, though, the young Reaganaut “starved virgin”** debate club captain, of which we got a double tag team helping of in Romney and Paul Ryan, seems to be a dead-end.

  99. @Abe
    @Jack D


    You are right about the 24/7 psychological warfare. Ironically, this worked better on suburban whites who are more tuned into the major media and more sensitive about their neighbor’s opinions. Working class whites already know that our ruling class despises them so that anything that the ruling class pushes just makes them more likely to do the opposite, to the extent that they follow the line of the editorial page of the NY Times at all, which is not much.
     
    This was the P$SSY-WHIPPED election. Trump lost significant support among white men. Based on (yes, anecdotal) information I’m betting it was middle class and white collar professional white men and they were arm-twisted into doing so by their wives. Speaking personally I had to (no joke) steam open my ballot and alter it for Trump after voting Biden in front of my wife. 24/7 media gaslighting literally turned her insane- at least 10 hours each day of CNN/MSNBC rage-ahol (she’s a honemaker) every day for the last 4 years (no exaggeration on any of these stats). She threatened separation if I voted for Trump again which, even if only a bluff, would have created another 4 years of domestic turmoil regardless of who won.

    And yet- the self-emasculation of so many men I know was pathetic. In 2018 I visited relatives- kind, sweet, intelligent people under normal circumstances, yet the vulture-like glean in their eyes as they followed every tune of the Mueller investigation as it wended its way through the public colon! Ah ha!- they’ve subpoena’d Trump’s accountant- this will finally reveal the evidence to take him down!

    My alumni volunteer work at the Best University on Earth(TM) this week has gotten me many unsolicitedly TMI email replies from “male” alumni about how they’ve been too busy to reply to our drive because they’ve been glued to their screens watching the counts with light alcohol beverages in-hand to regulate their fragile emotional states. What pu$$ies!

    I was on calls this week with colleagues- again, the nicest, smartest, sweetest guys you could wish for in terms of co-workers and I work in a technical field so these are engineering school graduates. Again with the unsolicited emotional menstruation about the election and vote count, about their feelings of emotional vulnerability over it and how close their mental health was to the precipice. What pu$$ies!

    There will not be another “white nationalist” candidate after Trump, but given how there is no intra-white solidarity I’m OK with that now. Remember that Oregon and Washington were, yet again, not even in play this election despite 80% white demographics. Remember that Minnesota, despite having its nice main metropolis city looted and burned by the forces of BLM, did not vote Trump. Remember that Virginia is now blue thanks to the influx of white middle class professionals thanks to Dubya turning its northern suburbs into Invade the World Inc. company towns, and that North Carolina and even Arizona are now purple thanks to the infestation of thousands of “Californians”.

    Let it hearten you the polls were dead wrong again. Let it hearten you that this election was basically a tie. Let it hearten you that Trump got a bigger slice of the black vote than any GOP candidate in memory despite, objectively, taking the least sh!t from blacks of any Republican President in memory (remember it was Popi Bush who pioneered the wonderful precedent of double jeopardy trials by bringing up the Rodney King cops on civil rights charges). Let it hearten you that a very large segment of the white population is perfectly fine with being vilified and having their heritage dismantled so long as the great white mind control device (TV) assures them this is right and proper (the outcome is still bad, but if so many of its victims don’t care, doesn’t that take the weight off a bit?)

    Most of all, though, Trump taught me to be a better man- don’t get disheartened, don’t worry too much about tomorrow or outcomes you can’t control right now, keep fighting for yourself and what you believe in no matter the odds.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Joe Stalin, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @Ben tillman, @nebulafox

    Speaking personally I had to (no joke) steam open my ballot and alter it for Trump after voting Biden in front of my wife. 24/7 media gaslighting literally turned her insane- at least 10 hours each day of CNN/MSNBC rage-ahol (she’s a honemaker) every day for the last 4 years (no exaggeration on any of these stats).

    You do know the CIA has a tool for that, don’t you?

    • LOL: Hibernian
  100. @Jack D
    @Peter Akuleyev

    What could he have done to please virtue signalling suburban females after they had been brainwashed 24/7?

    Men are a different matter. I 100% agree with Abe. I had almost the same experience as he. I absolutely refused to show my ballot to my wife although she REALLY REALLY wanted to see it to make sure that I did not vote for Trumphitler. In fact I did not fill it out until I was alone in the parking lot of the drop off point. And she was really pissed about this. But some % of men must have yielded. A few ten thousands in key states and there goes the election.

    The Republicans should have had ads directed to men about this - vote your conscience, don't let anyone tell you how to vote, don't show your ballot to anyone, preserve the American tradition of the secret ballot, etc. These could have been "non-partisan" ads like the "everyone should vote" ads. But there was nothing like that. And of course if I could have said to my wife - "I'm just doing what Anderson Cooper told us to do - keeping my ballot secret" this would have helped immeasurably. But no damn way was Anderson going to say that, for obvious reasons.

    In the past seeing your spouses (or anyone else's) ballot was out of the question because of the privacy of the voting booth. Mail in voting has destroyed the secret ballot - a long standing Democrat goal. And this has gone completely unnoticed in the midst of the Rona. Not a word was said about this anywhere. Nor is the secret ballot ever coming back again. From now on mail voting is going to be the norm. It's hard to be a "shy Trump" voter when your insanely pro-Biden family is looking over your shoulder.

    Replies: @TWS, @The Wild Geese Howard, @YetAnotherAnon

    This is why we must repeal the Nineteenth amendment.

  101. Anon[761] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Seriously, my guess is that it will ultimately turn out that Biden will win by enough votes in enough states that the overall election result will have been honest.
     
    If the results are legit, then the White House may simply be out of reach for Republicans. Sure, COVID was a historic headwind for the GOP, but BLM was a historic tailwind. If Dems can win the White House against the most popular and charismatic Republican candidate in 36 years with Joe Biden, how would Republicans win next time?

    Replies: @Anon, @Lot

    How will Republicans win next time?

    There is no inevitability in human affairs, especially in politics. Example: The Dems had the Presidency in 1932, 1936, 1940, 1944, 1948: 5 out of 5 consecutive elections. But what happened in the latter part of the 20th Century? From 1968 to 1988, the Republicans won 5 out of 6 elections, two of them in popular vote landslides. And the other wins except for 1968 had a nice margin.

    How can Republicans win in 2024? Here are some though experiments. Biden will not run for election in 2024. The Dem primary will be contested. Really do you think no one will run against Kamala Harris in the primary? The voting in the Dem primary will be fractured, and decided by the super delegates, which will piss off some Dem voters. On the other side, Republicans will be enthused.

    How about this? The US will be in an unpopular war circa 2024–Biden has a record of supporting foreign intervention. A Dem who ran in the 2024 primary forms a third party, splitting the left-of center vote.

  102. Global resonances of Trump’s defeat- not mentioning his defects – are another step in the decline of the Western civilization.

    Because forces that have beaten Trump – media, big tech, leftist globalist anti-Western elites,… are the ones the rule over the affluent core Western world- the US & whole Anglosphere, plus affluent Europe.

    On the other hand, leaving Africa & Islamistan, as 3rd rate “influencers” aside- nationalist powers rule over Russia, China , Japan, India & most of ex-Communist Europe, while Latin America is chaotic.

    Trump’s defeat- and let’s not hurry with final verdict- forebodes doom for the core affluent West. Not immediately, but in next 10-20 years if the trends continue….

  103. Fraud on a scale to affect a presidential election, or even to tip one state, would require planning, coordination, good luck and a high tolerance for risk. The chances of pulling it off are extremely slim.

    Such a nefarious plot would require the foresight, many weeks or even months in advance, to know to focus the effort on Pennsylvania.

    Yes, how would anyone know to focus on Pennsylvania, one of the decisive battle-ground states last election.

    The plotters might hedge their bets by targeting multiple states, but that just makes the effort more expensive, risky and difficult.

    Why, it’s almost as if they would need a whole national campaign to accomplish such a thing. Where would they find one.

    How would you go about rigging the vote? Here’s a start: have the Secretary of State of Pennsylvania (a Democrat) backed by the Governor and AG of Pennsylvania (also Democrats) break the law by stating that she would accept ballots received after the deadline that is actually spelled out in the states election law duly enacted by the Legislature which, under the US Constitution, is uniquely empowered to make such determinations. Then further state that those late ballots wouldn’t even need a post-mark.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  104. i’m from Pennsylvania, and i’m baffled by the idea the Democrats didn’t lie, cheat, and steal their way to a win here. of course they did.

    1) Democrats resist voter ID with religious fervor. not just in this state but all states.
    2) thus mail in ballots could have come from anybody. and did by the thousands.

    i didn’t have to show any ID to apply for one. an organized operation could have got hundreds of thousands.

    3) Pennsylvania Supreme Court, which has been acting illegally for a few years now that it has a Democrat majority, forced votes to count for up to 3 days after election day.
    4) AG Shapiro openly said before the election, Trump won’t be allowed to win the state. nothing says free and fair like that.

    if you don’t think they cheated, you’re an idiot. Democrats know they cheated – they aren’t idiots. they know the Republicans wouldn’t stop them.

    yes, Trump could have lost PA fair and square. he only won by 45,000 in 2016. and certainly he dropped lots of white men in 2020. blue collar guys who usually vote Democrat for the union. who took a chance on Trump last time, but didn’t vote this time, or went back to voting D.

    but that’s not what happened though. what happened is something that hasn’t happened in 200 years of voting in the Keystone state.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @prime noticer


    if you don’t think they cheated, you’re an idiot. Democrats know they cheated – they aren’t idiots. they know the Republicans wouldn’t stop them.

     

    Exactly. There is no country in Africa or Asia more corrupt than Democrats in Pennsylvania, Georgia, North Carolina, Michigan, Arizona, and now, tragically in one of the historically cleanest states, Wisconsin.


    UN observers have been coming here for ten federal elections now. But are they in the right states?

    International Election Monitors Arrive in the US for the Nov. 3 Poll

    We are now beneath African standards. (Anyone who disputes that is automatically a racist.)


    The Carter Center has observed more than 47 elections in 24 countries on four continents...

    https://www.cartercenter.org/documents/nondatabase/electionpage.html


     

    Does that include ours?

    The presence of impartial observers reassures voters they can safely and secretly cast their ballots and that vote tabulation will be conducted without tampering. Thus, election monitoring deters fraud in the voting process.


     

  105. @Dave Pinsen

    Seriously, my guess is that it will ultimately turn out that Biden will win by enough votes in enough states that the overall election result will have been honest.
     
    If the results are legit, then the White House may simply be out of reach for Republicans. Sure, COVID was a historic headwind for the GOP, but BLM was a historic tailwind. If Dems can win the White House against the most popular and charismatic Republican candidate in 36 years with Joe Biden, how would Republicans win next time?

    Replies: @Anon, @Lot

    “ how would Republicans win next time?”

    The answer you seek was never far away.

    Just for Colin and JohnnyWalker:

  106. @Lot
    I’m skeptical of a Biden vote rigging conspiracy because:

    1. In MI, Detroit elections are easy black dem wins, and also low stakes since the state took over large aspects of the city. Also, they had a mayor go to prison, lots or corruption. Nobody ratted out a vote rigging conspiracy to save themselves even as a lot of other ratting occurred.

    2. Nobody thought GA would be a key state. Sure it was trending left, but suddenly be 3 points more Dem than FL was a shock.

    3. Biden partisans were expecting a 8-10 point landslide.

    4. Steve’s 30-60 year old Illinois examples involve political machines with the ability to promise and deliver a lot of patronage jobs. Team Biden can’t deliver thousands of federal patronage jobs like that.

    5. Biden’s performance in PA is better than Hillary almost everywhere, with Philly an exception where Trump improved over 2016.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    I’m skeptical of a Biden vote rigging conspiracy because:

    1. In MI, Detroit elections are easy black dem wins, and also low stakes since the state took over large aspects of the city. Also, they had a mayor go to prison, lots or corruption. Nobody ratted out a vote rigging conspiracy to save themselves even as a lot of other ratting occurred.

    Huh? That makes them more prone to fraud, not less. Rat out to whom? The FBI? Do you think they care? Will they care on January 22nd, 2021?

    2. Nobody thought GA would be a key state. Sure it was trending left, but suddenly be 3 points more Dem than FL was a shock.

    It’s been considered a borderline state for several years now. The demographics bake that in.

    3. Biden partisans were expecting a 8-10 point landslide.

    That’s what they said. Perhaps their internal polling said different.

    4. Steve’s 30-60 year old Illinois examples involve political machines with the ability to promise and deliver a lot of patronage jobs. Team Biden can’t deliver thousands of federal patronage jobs like that.

    COVID contact tracers. COVID mask-karens. COVID lock-down wardens.

    5. Biden’s performance in PA is better than Hillary almost everywhere, with Philly an exception where Trump improved over 2016.

    It looks like it might be better than Obama’s in some places. You buy that?

  107. how could Trump win on election night in 2016 if he only won the ENTIRE national election by about 100,000 votes between several states, but in 2020, it takes them all week to figure out the votes?

    because they went all out on the cheating this time. that’s how.

    Michigan: 11,000 vote margin for Trump in 2016 but they called it ON ELECTION NIGHT.
    Wisconsin: 23,000 vote margin for Trump in 2016 but they called it ON ELECTION NIGHT.
    Pennsylvania: 45,000 vote margin for Trump in 2016 but they called it ON ELECTION NIGHT.

    • Replies: @Corn
    @prime noticer

    In 2016 one of the battleground states (either MI or PA) started a recount. A Democrat appointed judge actually stopped the recount because too many Democratic shenanigans were coming too light.... precincts with more votes than voters, etc

    Yet four years later in an election Democrats are just as determined to win if not more so, we’re supposed to believe no hijinks occurred. Uh huh. Sure

    Replies: @LondonBob

    , @LondonBob
    @prime noticer

    The NYTimes super sophisticated election predictor dial, that took in to account remaining absentee ballots, and which worked elsewhere, had Georgia going Trump by a couple of points when I went to bed here in London.

    I remain of the belief Trump had higher turnout and picked up late deciders so he did better than expected and the big steal had to be more overt.

  108. @Redneck farmer
    We're supposed to believe the Democrats are competent enough to run the government, but not rig an election?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Wade Hampton

    We’re supposed to believe the Democrats are competent enough to run the government, but not rig an election?

    Isn’t it funny to watch the Left, who has spewed, “America sucks!” rhetoric for years now try to pivot into selling the idea we have the fairest, most transparent electoral system in the world?

  109. @Jack D
    @Peter Akuleyev

    What could he have done to please virtue signalling suburban females after they had been brainwashed 24/7?

    Men are a different matter. I 100% agree with Abe. I had almost the same experience as he. I absolutely refused to show my ballot to my wife although she REALLY REALLY wanted to see it to make sure that I did not vote for Trumphitler. In fact I did not fill it out until I was alone in the parking lot of the drop off point. And she was really pissed about this. But some % of men must have yielded. A few ten thousands in key states and there goes the election.

    The Republicans should have had ads directed to men about this - vote your conscience, don't let anyone tell you how to vote, don't show your ballot to anyone, preserve the American tradition of the secret ballot, etc. These could have been "non-partisan" ads like the "everyone should vote" ads. But there was nothing like that. And of course if I could have said to my wife - "I'm just doing what Anderson Cooper told us to do - keeping my ballot secret" this would have helped immeasurably. But no damn way was Anderson going to say that, for obvious reasons.

    In the past seeing your spouses (or anyone else's) ballot was out of the question because of the privacy of the voting booth. Mail in voting has destroyed the secret ballot - a long standing Democrat goal. And this has gone completely unnoticed in the midst of the Rona. Not a word was said about this anywhere. Nor is the secret ballot ever coming back again. From now on mail voting is going to be the norm. It's hard to be a "shy Trump" voter when your insanely pro-Biden family is looking over your shoulder.

    Replies: @TWS, @The Wild Geese Howard, @YetAnotherAnon

    It’s hard to be a “shy Trump” voter when your insanely pro-Biden family is looking over your shoulder.

    …and if that’s not enough to convince those men, the Swamp cudgels of the insanely biased divorce courts lie in wait….

  110. It just feels like 9/11 all over again, another inside job.

  111. @Barnard
    A good read. I have to question what has happened in a man's life that makes the job of driving around homeless drunks in his own car to get them to vote worth it. I know they won't do it, but if Mr. Hansen is truly this ignorant of the history of voter fraud in Chicago, he has no business being a political scientist at the University of Chicago. They should fire him.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Ben tillman

    University of Chicago types were reformers until Harold Washington was elected Mayor in 1983.

  112. @anon
    Steve, is the GOP going to allow both GA Senate Special Elections to go through?

    I can't imagine them risking losing those and allowing a Dem Senate majority (after what Dems promised to do if they got one).

    I think they are going to force Dems to withdraw one (probably Ossoff) in exchange for a smooth transfer to Biden (which they could really muck up if they wanted since GOP controls almost all the electoral vote-awarding legislatures in swing states).

    Otherwise, if Dems did win both GA Senate seats and majority, I think there would be serious risk of some kind of civil war. A party that promised to radically alter society if they got that majority who got it via an election a huge chunk of the populace would regard as illegitimate.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Georgia is not going to elect Warnock; he’s in the runoff because Loefler and Perdue almost evenly split the Republican, and probably a lot of the Independent, and even some of the Democratic, vote. As for Ossoff vs. Perdue, Perdue at least has proven to have an advantage over Ossoff of about 2% on Nov. 3rd. I think Perdue and Loefler will reinforce each other; not so sure that Ossoff and Warnock will.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Hibernian

    I don't know anything about GA politics, but January 5 will still be an election in the middle of the pandemic with all the lax rules that implies.

    I'm not sure I feel comfortable risking the chance the Dem cheat machine is as good as some fear it is.

    And if they got all that power (with what they threatened to do with it if they got it) via a super shady looking election, I think the GOP rank and file militants starting some kind of civil war is a very real possibility.

    Cut that off now before the possibility (even if it's only 10%) could develop further would seem to be the prudent statesman thing to do.

  113. @Jack D
    @Peter Akuleyev

    What could he have done to please virtue signalling suburban females after they had been brainwashed 24/7?

    Men are a different matter. I 100% agree with Abe. I had almost the same experience as he. I absolutely refused to show my ballot to my wife although she REALLY REALLY wanted to see it to make sure that I did not vote for Trumphitler. In fact I did not fill it out until I was alone in the parking lot of the drop off point. And she was really pissed about this. But some % of men must have yielded. A few ten thousands in key states and there goes the election.

    The Republicans should have had ads directed to men about this - vote your conscience, don't let anyone tell you how to vote, don't show your ballot to anyone, preserve the American tradition of the secret ballot, etc. These could have been "non-partisan" ads like the "everyone should vote" ads. But there was nothing like that. And of course if I could have said to my wife - "I'm just doing what Anderson Cooper told us to do - keeping my ballot secret" this would have helped immeasurably. But no damn way was Anderson going to say that, for obvious reasons.

    In the past seeing your spouses (or anyone else's) ballot was out of the question because of the privacy of the voting booth. Mail in voting has destroyed the secret ballot - a long standing Democrat goal. And this has gone completely unnoticed in the midst of the Rona. Not a word was said about this anywhere. Nor is the secret ballot ever coming back again. From now on mail voting is going to be the norm. It's hard to be a "shy Trump" voter when your insanely pro-Biden family is looking over your shoulder.

    Replies: @TWS, @The Wild Geese Howard, @YetAnotherAnon

    “In the past seeing your spouses (or anyone else’s) ballot was out of the question because of the privacy of the voting booth. Mail in voting has destroyed the secret ballot – a long standing Democrat goal. And this has gone completely unnoticed in the midst of the Rona. Not a word was said about this anywhere. “

    That’s why Muslim areas of the UK like postal voting. It’s not even usually the husband who decides on the vote destination – it’s a clan leader. Biraderi.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3181851.stm

    Biraderi clans, meaning brotherhood, are the extended clan or tribal networks that influence the UK’s nearly one million strong Pakistani community.

    The networks are an extension of systems of allegiance in Pakistan itself.

    For some members, the clan gives them their strongest sense of identity and personal codes of behaviour.

    According to those with inside knowledge of the system, when a candidate is chosen for election, it will usually be a Biraderi elder.

    He will have been chosen by his clan on the basis of bloodlines rather than personal ability. His name goes out to the extended clan in Pakistan and the UK.

    Alliances between politicians and Biraderi elders in Pakistan lead to leaders travelling to the UK during elections and instructing their clan members to vote for a particular candidate. Without this support, the candidate is doomed.

  114. @Sean
    @Corvinus

    Are there software programs used by American intelligence agencies to alter election results or not?

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Corvinus

    In 30 States, A Computer System Known To Be Defective Is Tallying Votes
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/30-states-computer-system-known-be-defective-tallying-votes

  115. @Corvinus
    @utu

    “Trump was checkmated from the beginning when Dem controlled states allowed mail voting “due to Covid”. Without mail voting, Trump would have won.” – Exactly.“

    Lol. Citizens have had this opportunity to vote this way in the past. Educate yourself.

    https://time.com/5892357/voting-by-mail-history/

    Replies: @Hibernian, @MB

    It’s utterly juvenile to equate past absentee voting based on a good excuse with the recent (beginning pre-Covid) trend towards no excuse absentee voting or even mailing ballots to people who didn’t ask for them. The proportion of total ballots which are mail in obviously is related to the potential for fraud.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Hibernian

    “It’s utterly juvenile to equate past absentee voting based on a good excuse with the recent (beginning pre-Covid) trend towards no excuse absentee voting or even mailing ballots to people who didn’t ask for them.”

    Doesn’t work that way. There is nothing observably wrong with American citizens requesting absent ballots at any time. The “excuse” was a pandemic, and those democrats and republicans in good faith exercised their liberty to obtain one and send it in.

    “The proportion of total ballots which are mail in obviously is related to the potential for fraud.”

    You are making a broad assumption here. Why? Your candidate lost. Remember, Trump said it was a 100 percent certainty he would win. Any other result would be obvious fraud to him and his supporters. That’s insane.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  116. My theory is Jared who I think is actually pretty competent (the people saying he isn’t have never run anything more complicated than their twitter account) reached a deal with black church GOTV types similar to what Ed Rollins did in NJ to get Todd Whitman elected- don’t vote for us but keep your “flocks” home on Election Day. However, the democratic machines just manufactured the votes anyways.

    This is why the but but but Biden underperformed in urban centers argument is so silly. Yes silly that’s why they had to stop counting and create votes.

  117. These people are playing dumb by putting forth a straw-man assumption that fraud can only happen at the individual voter level by legitimately registered voters.

    In fact, with mail-in ballots you can intercept, switch, or inject fake votes at any point between the mailbox and the counting table. With a couple well-positioned insiders at the USPS or Democrat-run counting centers this would not be hard at all.

    In some states, you can also register all the fake voters you want and then submit mail-in votes on their behalf. For example, in California anyone can register on line with no ID or proof of residency. Then that alleged person can request a mail-in ballot be sent to a new address that can be anywhere, including a foreign country or P.O. Box. Doing that a few thousand times on line and sending back the postage pre-paid envelopes would cost next to nothing.

    (I suppose a foreigner doing all this from abroad wouldn’t even be subject to any U.S. law)

    You could also just electronically adjust the numbers before they are fed into the reported totals. This doesnt require a sophisticated computer hacking job, just someone entering a different number on a spreadsheet, and claiming that one of those ubiquitous “glitchs” was to blame if anyone notices.

    And don’t forget, the CIA has been overtly routing for the Democrats. If the Dems needed expert advice on fixing an election, I am sure Brennan or Clapper could take a break from their jobs as paid Dem shills to recommend some expert operatives.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Hypnotoad666


    And don’t forget, the CIA has been overtly routing for the Democrats.
     
    Typo, or pun? As in root, route, or rout?


    How's this for a bumper sticker? "Milwaukee: The New Chicago. (Minus the riot control)"

  118. @Bard of Bumperstickers
    Tammany Hall didn't have Diebold, Google, Twitter, Facebook, a Clinton-consolidated, monolithic MSM, NSA-backed social credit scoring, and illiterate teachers and tranny clowns instructing first-graders, and they did purty good. Skynet is president now.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Fluesterwitz

    Also don’t forget, the CIA knows a thing or two about fixing elections and is overtly anti-Trump and pro-Dem.

    Even if the CIA would never officially involve itself, there are plenty of ex-CIA spooks around (with security clearances) to work as paid consultants. Just ask Brennan and Clapper at CNN.

    • Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers
    @Hypnotoad666

    Well, pro-deep state, anyway. Dems or GOP would be incidental to maintaining COG. They'd push Mary Poppins if it'd further the aims of power. They're not so much anti-Trump as anti-populist resistance.

  119. @Altai
    The thing about the allegations of vote fraud is that they emerge from the fact that Trump's election was never accepted as legitimate and the establishment spent 4 years making it clear they were out to get Trump.

    This coupled with the massive amounts of absentee voting due to covid and you have the perfect storm. Because this outcome can seem plausible enough in either reality. The lockdowns and extra time and effort to get people to vote mean a massive turnout and a massive turnout in cohorts in favour of Biden. And the order they were counted in some states meant they came in a massive bunch and often late into the night.

    Thus whether the election was stolen or not, it would look very very similar.

    I also don't think it would require that many people to do this, with all the stuff going on with absentee ballots and cover from the media, people would likely go along with it and dismiss anything that looked slightly odd.

    But again, if the results had come in normally and there was no count stop, would anyone think there was anything amiss? Trump lost his share among white males and turnout among non-whites was massively greater even if he won more of them, they were still majority against him and came out in much greater numbers.

    Replies: @Altai, @Thoughts, @James Speaks, @res, @Excal, @Ben tillman

    Trump lost his share among white males

    Everybody seems to be taking that exit poll result as an article of faith. How much good evidence is there that this is really true?

    turnout among non-whites was massively greater

    Than when Obama ran?! Does that make sense?

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @res



    turnout among non-whites was massively greater

     

    Than when Obama ran?! Does that make sense?
     
    To us cynics, it makes perfect sense. Obama didn't need the massage.

    (And if he did, Larry Sinclair was available.)
    , @Corn
    @res


    Trump lost his share among white males

    Everybody seems to be taking that exit poll result as an article of faith. How much good evidence is there that this is really true?
     
    If the exit polls are to be believed Trump lost ground with white men but gained ground with white women. Anyone else find that backward or just plain fishy?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Tlotsi
    @res

    The media always lies, and exit polls are no exception.

  120. @Hypnotoad666
    These people are playing dumb by putting forth a straw-man assumption that fraud can only happen at the individual voter level by legitimately registered voters.

    In fact, with mail-in ballots you can intercept, switch, or inject fake votes at any point between the mailbox and the counting table. With a couple well-positioned insiders at the USPS or Democrat-run counting centers this would not be hard at all.

    In some states, you can also register all the fake voters you want and then submit mail-in votes on their behalf. For example, in California anyone can register on line with no ID or proof of residency. Then that alleged person can request a mail-in ballot be sent to a new address that can be anywhere, including a foreign country or P.O. Box. Doing that a few thousand times on line and sending back the postage pre-paid envelopes would cost next to nothing.

    (I suppose a foreigner doing all this from abroad wouldn't even be subject to any U.S. law)

    You could also just electronically adjust the numbers before they are fed into the reported totals. This doesnt require a sophisticated computer hacking job, just someone entering a different number on a spreadsheet, and claiming that one of those ubiquitous "glitchs" was to blame if anyone notices.

    And don't forget, the CIA has been overtly routing for the Democrats. If the Dems needed expert advice on fixing an election, I am sure Brennan or Clapper could take a break from their jobs as paid Dem shills to recommend some expert operatives.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    And don’t forget, the CIA has been overtly routing for the Democrats.

    Typo, or pun? As in root, route, or rout?

    How’s this for a bumper sticker? “Milwaukee: The New Chicago. (Minus the riot control)”

  121. @res
    @Altai


    Trump lost his share among white males
     
    Everybody seems to be taking that exit poll result as an article of faith. How much good evidence is there that this is really true?

    turnout among non-whites was massively greater
     
    Than when Obama ran?! Does that make sense?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Corn, @Tlotsi

    turnout among non-whites was massively greater

    Than when Obama ran?! Does that make sense?

    To us cynics, it makes perfect sense. Obama didn’t need the massage.

    (And if he did, Larry Sinclair was available.)

  122. @Altai
    @Altai

    Some of the most interesting evidence of intent does come from Google trend searches.

    https://twitter.com/SelinaDavis73/status/1325001526620819457

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers

    Biden may be hiding in the basement . . . of a mortuary?

    Biden “victory” speech: was Joe even there or was it a deception? https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/11/07/biden-victory-speech-was-joe-even-there-or-was-it-a-deception/

    President-elect Max Headroom? This isn’t your father’s president’s teleprompter . . . The first CGI president? WTF is going on here? Nothing wackier than everything else we’re expected to swallow. Diebold, meet Industrial Light and Magic. The Empire Strikes Black.

  123. @Zoodles
    Applying benfords law to the election dataset

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1324536420992733185.html

    Replies: @res

    Thanks for the link.

    First, anyone who presents a data analysis without giving the source of their data should be treated with extreme skepticism. I was unable to find the data sources on that page, did I miss them?

    Does anyone have the data for Philadelphia or Chicago? I have already looked at Detroit and Milwaukee.

    Second, for Detroit and Milwaukee it appears likely much of the issue is with the non-random nature of precinct/ward sizes. For example, Milwaukee precincts tend to be between 400 and 2000 voters which skews the registered voter and Biden (since he got >90% many places) numbers, but not Trump’s numbers so much since his vote percentage was small enough the skewed precinct sizes did not affect his first digits as much.

    Discussed more here and in following comments.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/by-any-means-necessary-2/#comment-4265751

  124. @Hypnotoad666
    @Bard of Bumperstickers

    Also don't forget, the CIA knows a thing or two about fixing elections and is overtly anti-Trump and pro-Dem.

    Even if the CIA would never officially involve itself, there are plenty of ex-CIA spooks around (with security clearances) to work as paid consultants. Just ask Brennan and Clapper at CNN.

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers

    Well, pro-deep state, anyway. Dems or GOP would be incidental to maintaining COG. They’d push Mary Poppins if it’d further the aims of power. They’re not so much anti-Trump as anti-populist resistance.

  125. The same media that has insisted for 4 years that Russia “meddled” in the last election and delivered it to sleeper agent Trump on a platter now insists that well-entrenched Democratic operatives with decades of experience in the game couldn’t possibly have done anything so dastardly as steal an election.

    No siree, nuttin to see here.

    • Replies: @V. Hickel
    @Hamlet's Ghost

    not only that , but you are now to be added to a list and slated for cancellation, or worse for even having the temerity t question the result. to me this is what gives the game away. transparency for me, obscurity for thee. things are getting scary

  126. @Corvinus
    @utu

    “Trump was checkmated from the beginning when Dem controlled states allowed mail voting “due to Covid”. Without mail voting, Trump would have won.” – Exactly.“

    Lol. Citizens have had this opportunity to vote this way in the past. Educate yourself.

    https://time.com/5892357/voting-by-mail-history/

    Replies: @Hibernian, @MB

    If you can’t distinguish between requesting an absentee ballot and the mass mailing of mail-in ballots, you’re not competent to the discussion.

    But then again, the mainscream media, the Dementia Party candidate and a whole lot of other people aren’t either including to some degree, even the incumbent.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @MB

    The mass request for mail in ballots led to the mass voting. It just happened to be the preference for citizens, and it is legal. Had the vote turned out differently, Trump would be extolling its effectiveness. But recall that he said he was going to win no matter what. Any outcome not in his favor was automatic fraud in his world. That is insane.

    The fact of the matter is that there needs to be exact proof that this process of mail in balloting was patently compromised. Where is your evidence other than emotion?

  127. @ic1000
    @Corvinus

    I can't find the Silly button under Agree/Disagree/Etc.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @res

    I can’t find the Silly button under Agree/Disagree/Etc.

    That’s OK. “Corvinus says” more than suffices to indicate that and more.

    • LOL: Rob McX
  128. @James Speaks
    @Corvinus

    If there was actual evidence of widespread fraud, two things would be known:
    (1) There would be multiple indictments, and
    (2) The fraudsters would have to have been unbelievably stupid.

    What we have are numerous fraud indicators:
    (1) Stopping the vote counting in the middle of the night when the predicted Trump victory margin would be known, followed by sudden turnaround in vote totals.
    (2) Lack of transparency (keeping R watchers out) during the vote adjustment process.
    (3) Failure of alleged fraudsters to mark the down ticket races, thus allowing R representatives to retake House seats.
    (4) Benford's Law
    (5) Instances of N * 1000 vote suprises

    Of course, all of this is nonsense. To believe in masssive vote fraud by inner city politicians and Negroes, one would have to assume that widespread corruption exists among inner city politicians or that Negroes are willing to disobey the law for personal gain.

    The will of the people has been suppressed; the only right decision, according to the 14th amendment, is to allow the election to be determined in the House according to state delegations, which we can assume were elected according to the will of the people and thus representing the will of the people.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “What we have are numerous fraud indicators”

    Alleged indicators.

    “(1) Stopping the vote counting in the middle of the night when the predicted Trump victory margin would be known, followed by sudden turnaround in vote totals.”

    Predicted by whom? The only guarantee was by Trump. Furthermore, what specific evidence do you have in those contested states that the ballots were compromised and/or the counting process was done fraudulently?

    (2) Lack of transparency (keeping R watchers out) during the vote adjustment process.

    To the contrary, the R watchers had access, just access that was not previously done before.

    (3) Failure of alleged fraudsters to mark the down ticket races, thus allowing R representatives to retake House seats.

    ???

    (4) Benford’s Law

    So what is your analysis here? Show your work.

    (5) Instances of N * 1000 vote suprises

    Sources?

    “The will of the people has been suppressed; the only right decision, according to the 14th amendment, is to allow the election to be determined in the House according to state delegations, which we can assume were elected according to the will of the people and thus representing the will of the people.”

    It’s just likely that the electorate that came out on droves simply were tired of Trumps antics, ranging from white men to Blue Dog Democrats to evangelicals, and voted for Biden. That’s the will of the people. You don’t get a do over because if your temper tantrum.

    • LOL: James Speaks
  129. @Hibernian
    @Corvinus

    It's utterly juvenile to equate past absentee voting based on a good excuse with the recent (beginning pre-Covid) trend towards no excuse absentee voting or even mailing ballots to people who didn't ask for them. The proportion of total ballots which are mail in obviously is related to the potential for fraud.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “It’s utterly juvenile to equate past absentee voting based on a good excuse with the recent (beginning pre-Covid) trend towards no excuse absentee voting or even mailing ballots to people who didn’t ask for them.”

    Doesn’t work that way. There is nothing observably wrong with American citizens requesting absent ballots at any time. The “excuse” was a pandemic, and those democrats and republicans in good faith exercised their liberty to obtain one and send it in.

    “The proportion of total ballots which are mail in obviously is related to the potential for fraud.”

    You are making a broad assumption here. Why? Your candidate lost. Remember, Trump said it was a 100 percent certainty he would win. Any other result would be obvious fraud to him and his supporters. That’s insane.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Corvinus

    My candidates were Jo Jorgensen and Spike Cohen.

  130. Two things I’ve learned this month about the NYT:

    When the NYT says “senior administration official”, it might be some 30-year-old clerk of no consequence, and when the NYT says the chances are extremely thin, it is editorializing its wishful thinking.

  131. @Sean
    @Corvinus

    Are there software programs used by American intelligence agencies to alter election results or not?

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Corvinus

    Prove this software, which exists, was used in our election by our intelligence agencies that clearly altered the results. I assume you have the required evidence (actual data points, internal memos, whistleblower affidavits) in your possession, right?

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Corvinus

    I am glad you approve of a thorough investigation into the possibility, which will entail disclosure and examination of the relevant software code. Dubious that the Dems will agree though. It will go to the Supreme Court (that august body who Biden has said he is going to pack with extra members and subject to a mandatory retirement age) so Trump must be worried about what they will decide.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  132. @Redneck farmer
    We're supposed to believe the Democrats are competent enough to run the government, but not rig an election?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Wade Hampton

    We already knew modern (i.e. Obama era) Dems are not competent to run a government. Does it surprise anybody that they were unable to commit a convincing fraud?

    And is it only stupid, gullible people who read the NYT anymore?

  133. I wonder, if “voting fraud” is “impossible” as Dems now claim, then how did the Russians steal the election in 2016 from Hillary?

    The only hard evidence I ever heard about was something like 60,000 Facebook ads supposedly placed from accounts claimed to be fronts from some St. Petersburg internet firm.

    Even corrupt Mueller could never come up with anything more than supposed misleading ads. An insignificant fraction of the millions of paid ads in 2016.

    Of course, when They win, cheating and stealing is “impossible.” When They lose, no other explanation is even possible.

    Let us all hope that they will drown in all of the same fetid dark water they happily drenched America in for the last four years. The Swamp is now theirs. No mercy, no quarter.

  134. I can vouch for the fact that #4 “Vote Buying” was still in use at least as of 1996. My uncle was a transient until near the end of his life when his health problems caught up with him. The gov’t put him in subsidized housing in Riverside CA, a couple miles from where my mother (his sister) lived, and I last saw him at Thanksgiving dinner in 1997. He recounted to me that he voted in the 1996 election in someone else’s name when a van showed up at the downtown Riverside bus station offering free pizzas. They took him to a poll and he dutifully pulled the lever for a straight Democrat ticket. California of course did not and does not require ID to vote.

    • Thanks: Dave Pinsen
  135. @anon
    @Thomas

    The counting is all digital.

    So what?

    Are you asserting that a "digital" count is something magical that cannot be altered, hacked or otherwise used for fraud?

    Do you think they’re tallying votes in a bound ledger?

    Non sequitur.

    What's your actual point?

    Replies: @Thomas

    Are you asserting that a “digital” count is something magical that cannot be altered, hacked or otherwise used for fraud?

    You’re confused as a blind lesbian in a fish market. That was my point. Electronic records are much easier now to falsify or alter without leaving evidence. Unless you have some sort of secure authentication system, like a blockchain.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Thomas


    You’re confused as a blind lesbian in a fish market.
     
    That's hilarious!
    , @anon
    @Thomas

    Electronic records are much easier now to falsify or alter without leaving evidence.

    Perhaps you should have said that in the first place.

    Unless you have some sort of secure authentication system, like a blockchain.

    That would be racist, I am sure.

  136. @MLK
    @MLK

    Okay, since I wrote this the Democrats had their Allied Media (Fox included) pull the trigger, declaring Sleepy Joe the winner in PA and thus President-Elect.

    I maintain what I said earlier, this was out of necessity given the trend in AZ.

    Amusingly, before they did so Fake News CNN had removed AK and NC -- the two states Trump is ahead in --from their 1/3 of the screen chart of states not called.

    They needed to move before they risked a shift back in the narrative.

    Believe me, I'm not in the least saying Trump has the upper hand. Just that under the totality of their vote steal in progress PA wasn't the state they wanted to use to put Sleepy Joe over the top.

    It's impossible to overstate how important the results out of AZ have become. IF called for Trump, there's a good likelihood of a wholesale narrative shift if AK and NC are thereafter. It's a straight-up battle over PA if GA is as well.

    Meanwhile, Trump is cool as a cucumber, which has to be driving the Democrats and their Allied Media insane:

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/trump-heads-golf-bidens-hopes-become-president-fade-despite-amazing-charisma/

    Replies: @syonredux

    My Father is in his 80s and legally blind. I filled-in his mail-in ballot for him and dropped it off. Had I wanted to, I could have altered every single one of his choices.

    In terms of potential voter fraud, mail-in voting is a big problem.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  137. @utu
    @Jack D

    Vote harvesting was the main factor in Trumps loss:


    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/maga-cope/#comment-4269885

    When you fill up the mail in ballot for your demented grandmother this is a fraud though on a micro scale. But multiply it by thousand. Do it in nursing homes. Then do it in community centers in minority areas and ghettos for people who would never vote. You incentivize them and twist their arms. This is no different than ballot stuffing but impossible to be proven as a fraud, yet everybody knows about it.
     

    "Trump was checkmated from the beginning when Dem controlled states allowed mail voting “due to Covid”. Without mail voting, Trump would have won."
    - Exactly.

    Yet, the win of Biden was marginal.

    https://www.unz.com/article/first-thoughts-on-the-election/#comment-4266647
    Despite of being subjected to 24/7 psychological warfare including the skewed poll results of two digit Biden’s advantage, that Trump would be swept by a Tsunami, 50% of Americans voted for Trump. Biden’s win depends on trickling of minute streams of votes of dubious origins. The near majority of Americans demonstrated an amazing immunity and resilience to incessant propaganda and mind conditioning that Trump would be defeated in a land slide. It seems that half of America lives in different reality than that that was conjured for them by media. How did they manage to shield themselves from the media onslaught? Regardless of the final outcome we are witnessing the greatest defeat of the liberal virtual reality control machine.
     
    Even Joe Scarborough agrees:

    Joe Scarborough calls the election result an ‘absolute repudiation of the Democratic party as a brand’ and says Biden’s win will be a ‘one-off’
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8924197/Morning-Joe-calls-election-absolute-repudiation-Democrats.html
     
    And Andrew Yang knows why:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8922985/Andrew-Yang-leads-Democrats-tearing-party-turning-urban-coastal-elite.html
    Andrew Yang tears into the Democrats for becoming a party of 'urban coastal elites' who have abandoned the working class and are more concerned with 'policing cultural issues' after their dismal results
     

    Replies: @Jack D, @Corvinus, @syonredux, @Anonymous

    My Father is in his 80s and legally blind. I both filled-in his mail-in ballot for him and dropped it off. Had I wanted to, I could have altered every single one of his choices.

    In terms of potential voter fraud, mail-in voting is a big problem.

    • Agree: utu
  138. The NYT article presents a strawman argument that fraud by definition would have to be organised. But that is not true. But the suggestion acts to distract people from coming to the conclusion that Trump derangement syndrome is so endemic that, combined with a leftist ideology that they alone hold the key to our salvation, it was inevitable that correct procedure at any point in the process would not be respected resulting in a myriad of unaffiliated discrepancies, which together amounted to something that looks as if it had to be organised but actually wasn’t, like a flock of birds in flight. Isn’t that phenomenon called emergent property or something.

  139. LC Elections Board Refers State’s First Transsexual Elections Judge For Criminal Investigation

    https://lehighvalleyramblings.blogspot.com/2020/07/lc-elections-board-refers-states-first.html

  140. @JohnnyWalker123
    Jews got away with the following:

    -USS Liberty
    -Vastly exaggerating Holocaust
    -911
    -No WMDs in Iraq
    -Assassinating Jeffrey Epstein
    -Rigging the Iowa caucus against Bernie Sanders

    Maybe they felt emboldened enough to do something on this scale?

    Given how berserk Trump has driven them, this wouldn't surprise me.

    I remember on election night, all these Democrats were freaking out on TV and Twitter. Then suddenly, during the super late night hours, Biden began unexpectedly surging.

    When Toobin and those other Jews were war gaming election night, they were pre planning how to steal the election in the event of a Trump victory.

    Sadly, there is a reasonably good chance that the Jews will get away with this.

    Replies: @Thoughts, @Anonymous, @Hugo Silva, @Corvinus

    There are plenty of Jews supporting Trump, starting by his daughter.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Hugo Silva

    With his daughter, Senhor Silva

    What I would like to say is that Trump married his daughter off to the Jews not only because he wants to be a Jew, but because he fundamentally is psychologically Jewish. The complete lack of self-awareness and chutzpah proves that beyond all doubt.

    Replies: @Dissident

    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @Hugo Silva

    Netanyahu just sent his congratulations to Biden, so Trump can now pack it up. When you lose the imprimatur of the Israelis no amount of court challenges is going to help.

  141. @prime noticer
    i'm from Pennsylvania, and i'm baffled by the idea the Democrats didn't lie, cheat, and steal their way to a win here. of course they did.

    1) Democrats resist voter ID with religious fervor. not just in this state but all states.
    2) thus mail in ballots could have come from anybody. and did by the thousands.

    i didn't have to show any ID to apply for one. an organized operation could have got hundreds of thousands.

    3) Pennsylvania Supreme Court, which has been acting illegally for a few years now that it has a Democrat majority, forced votes to count for up to 3 days after election day.
    4) AG Shapiro openly said before the election, Trump won't be allowed to win the state. nothing says free and fair like that.

    if you don't think they cheated, you're an idiot. Democrats know they cheated - they aren't idiots. they know the Republicans wouldn't stop them.

    yes, Trump could have lost PA fair and square. he only won by 45,000 in 2016. and certainly he dropped lots of white men in 2020. blue collar guys who usually vote Democrat for the union. who took a chance on Trump last time, but didn't vote this time, or went back to voting D.

    but that's not what happened though. what happened is something that hasn't happened in 200 years of voting in the Keystone state.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    if you don’t think they cheated, you’re an idiot. Democrats know they cheated – they aren’t idiots. they know the Republicans wouldn’t stop them.

    Exactly. There is no country in Africa or Asia more corrupt than Democrats in Pennsylvania, Georgia, North Carolina, Michigan, Arizona, and now, tragically in one of the historically cleanest states, Wisconsin.

    UN observers have been coming here for ten federal elections now. But are they in the right states?

    International Election Monitors Arrive in the US for the Nov. 3 Poll

    We are now beneath African standards. (Anyone who disputes that is automatically a racist.)

    The Carter Center has observed more than 47 elections in 24 countries on four continents…

    https://www.cartercenter.org/documents/nondatabase/electionpage.html

    Does that include ours?

    The presence of impartial observers reassures voters they can safely and secretly cast their ballots and that vote tabulation will be conducted without tampering. Thus, election monitoring deters fraud in the voting process.

  142. anon[153] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hibernian
    @anon

    Georgia is not going to elect Warnock; he's in the runoff because Loefler and Perdue almost evenly split the Republican, and probably a lot of the Independent, and even some of the Democratic, vote. As for Ossoff vs. Perdue, Perdue at least has proven to have an advantage over Ossoff of about 2% on Nov. 3rd. I think Perdue and Loefler will reinforce each other; not so sure that Ossoff and Warnock will.

    Replies: @anon

    I don’t know anything about GA politics, but January 5 will still be an election in the middle of the pandemic with all the lax rules that implies.

    I’m not sure I feel comfortable risking the chance the Dem cheat machine is as good as some fear it is.

    And if they got all that power (with what they threatened to do with it if they got it) via a super shady looking election, I think the GOP rank and file militants starting some kind of civil war is a very real possibility.

    Cut that off now before the possibility (even if it’s only 10%) could develop further would seem to be the prudent statesman thing to do.

  143. @Corvinus
    @Hibernian

    “It’s utterly juvenile to equate past absentee voting based on a good excuse with the recent (beginning pre-Covid) trend towards no excuse absentee voting or even mailing ballots to people who didn’t ask for them.”

    Doesn’t work that way. There is nothing observably wrong with American citizens requesting absent ballots at any time. The “excuse” was a pandemic, and those democrats and republicans in good faith exercised their liberty to obtain one and send it in.

    “The proportion of total ballots which are mail in obviously is related to the potential for fraud.”

    You are making a broad assumption here. Why? Your candidate lost. Remember, Trump said it was a 100 percent certainty he would win. Any other result would be obvious fraud to him and his supporters. That’s insane.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    My candidates were Jo Jorgensen and Spike Cohen.

  144. @Hamlet's Ghost
    The same media that has insisted for 4 years that Russia "meddled" in the last election and delivered it to sleeper agent Trump on a platter now insists that well-entrenched Democratic operatives with decades of experience in the game couldn't possibly have done anything so dastardly as steal an election.

    No siree, nuttin to see here.

    Replies: @V. Hickel

    not only that , but you are now to be added to a list and slated for cancellation, or worse for even having the temerity t question the result. to me this is what gives the game away. transparency for me, obscurity for thee. things are getting scary

  145. @Thomas
    @anon


    Are you asserting that a “digital” count is something magical that cannot be altered, hacked or otherwise used for fraud?
     
    You're confused as a blind lesbian in a fish market. That was my point. Electronic records are much easier now to falsify or alter without leaving evidence. Unless you have some sort of secure authentication system, like a blockchain.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @anon

    You’re confused as a blind lesbian in a fish market.

    That’s hilarious!

    • Agree: utu
  146. @Corn
    @Peter Akuleyev


    the GOP will control the SC
     
    Clarence Thomas is no spring chicken and John Roberts is a waffler. If the Swamp Republicans figured “we have the Court, we don’t need Trump anymore” they’re being quite shortsighted.

    If the Supreme Court is their concern, they should be fighting their asses off for a Trump second term and (forgive me for being morbid) hoping Thomas retires and Breyer retires or meets his Maker in the next four years.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Pray for good health for both of them, and R landslides in ’22 and ’24.

  147. Democrats and liberals are ever ignoring real history, the voting block machines in Chicago, NYC City, Los Angeles, pick any Southerner state you want —

    It’s an odd and humorous response given that these same people thought Russia overtuned the election in 2016 in which no republican impropriety was even hinted among the nation’s election boards.

    This year multiple boards have reported numerous issues. And of course the argument that you m=need massive participants, especially in the age of electronic communication and computer technology. All you need for fraud on a mass scale is a keyboard and somewhere to set your information.

    I see the democrats are running from Iowa – a simple program was ll that needed.

  148. In the wake of President Donald Trump sounding the alarm on potential voter fraud in the 2020 presidential election, former Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich (D) on Friday accused Democrats of stealing elections for a long time.

    Blagojevich told Newsmax TV’s “John Bachman Now” that Democratic stronghold cities changing vote counts overnight, and controlling polling places is a “time-honored tradition.” He went on to say that Democrats “stealing the presidency” is “incredibly dangerous to our democracy.”

    “If the question is are the Democrats stealing votes in Philadelphia, my answer is, ‘Is the Pope Catholic?’ It’s a time-honored tradition,” Blagojevich emphasized. “Big Democrat-controlled cities like Chicago, my hometown, Philadelphia, to do precisely what they’re doing now I’ve never seen such a magnitude because this I think is an indication of just how widespread it is, how deep it is. And I don’t think it’s just confined to Philadelphia. My instincts, again coming out of Chicago Democratic politics, my instincts tell me it’s going on in Atlanta, it’s going on in Detroit, it’s going on in Milwaukee, it’s going on in Las Vegas. It’s like what Justice Powell said about pornography: You can’t define it, but you know when you see it. And coming out of the Democratic Chicago political establishment, I know how they operate. They control polling places, they stop votes when their candidate’s behind, and then in the wee hours of the morning, in the dark of night, the stealing starts.”

    He continued, “And we’ve seen that in big numbers, unprecedented numbers in this election in Michigan and Philadelphia. It’s outrageous, and the fact that they’re doing it with impunity they’re doing it with is because the media is simply looking the other way because they have their corrupt mainstream media that’s not interested in protecting our Constitution or the rule of law. They just want to be Donald Trump at all costs, and they’re not just stealing from Donald Trump. It’s worse than that. They’re stealing from us — the American people.”

  149. @Thomas
    @anon


    Are you asserting that a “digital” count is something magical that cannot be altered, hacked or otherwise used for fraud?
     
    You're confused as a blind lesbian in a fish market. That was my point. Electronic records are much easier now to falsify or alter without leaving evidence. Unless you have some sort of secure authentication system, like a blockchain.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @anon

    Electronic records are much easier now to falsify or alter without leaving evidence.

    Perhaps you should have said that in the first place.

    Unless you have some sort of secure authentication system, like a blockchain.

    That would be racist, I am sure.

  150. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thoughts
    No one with half a brain could think Joe was elected honestly

    You do not lose Texas, Florida, and Ohio and win Penn

    This needs to be fought and hard

    It is interesting that iSteve has turned into a place of people who believe the election results

    No surprise though

    Replies: @Anonymous, @James Forrestal, @No0biE

    Is it possible Pennsylvania union activists see their long term interests w/ Democrats even if they don’t necessarily like/respect Biden? Despite endless Salena Zito thumbsucker articles I’m not convinced they or western N.Y. are as culturally rednecked as Ohio and the lower Midwest. And Trump is after all a metropolitan developer who only won PA, MI, and WI because a crucial fraction of Blacks and/or fraudsters weren’t excited by Hillary. The boilermaker guild guy was being talked up by Fox News et al. as a Trump endorser when in fact his local did not publicly endorse either.

    We saw that Trumps progress in MN over 4 years was quite overrated. The closer to Canada, the less automatic benefit from social-conservative issues. It was called a Blue Wall for a reason.

    • Replies: @Edwina
    @Anonymous

    Absolutely. The battle is between people who want a direct say in electing government, and institutions, Union or corporate, who want to insert themselves between people and government much the same as 'middle-men' find ways to insert themselves into a supply chain. Next will come 'community' organisations. I can see a day coming when all citizens will have to part of one. The result is the erosion of the public sphere, a unique evolutionary development, the reason for which is the subject of much brow scratching.

  151. @Hangnail Hans
    Rubin makes it very clear that the doors to "polite society" are being closed to aspirants. This is one of Peter Turchin's preconditions for disintegrative stage of a nation.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Rubin is like the proverbial Broadway understudy putting Ex-Lax in female rivals’ tea and tampering with their car’s brake lines, etc. What she fails to understand is that she’s the understudy for a reason.

  152. @Altai
    The thing about the allegations of vote fraud is that they emerge from the fact that Trump's election was never accepted as legitimate and the establishment spent 4 years making it clear they were out to get Trump.

    This coupled with the massive amounts of absentee voting due to covid and you have the perfect storm. Because this outcome can seem plausible enough in either reality. The lockdowns and extra time and effort to get people to vote mean a massive turnout and a massive turnout in cohorts in favour of Biden. And the order they were counted in some states meant they came in a massive bunch and often late into the night.

    Thus whether the election was stolen or not, it would look very very similar.

    I also don't think it would require that many people to do this, with all the stuff going on with absentee ballots and cover from the media, people would likely go along with it and dismiss anything that looked slightly odd.

    But again, if the results had come in normally and there was no count stop, would anyone think there was anything amiss? Trump lost his share among white males and turnout among non-whites was massively greater even if he won more of them, they were still majority against him and came out in much greater numbers.

    Replies: @Altai, @Thoughts, @James Speaks, @res, @Excal, @Ben tillman

    How exactly do we know that Trump lost all this support among white males?

    Same polls that predicted a giant Biden sweep? Exit polls, which, as everyone knows, all Trump voters eagerly answer with doe-eyed honesty?

    Or are they collecting demographic information with secret ballots now?

  153. @Corvinus
    @Sean

    Prove this software, which exists, was used in our election by our intelligence agencies that clearly altered the results. I assume you have the required evidence (actual data points, internal memos, whistleblower affidavits) in your possession, right?

    Replies: @Sean

    I am glad you approve of a thorough investigation into the possibility, which will entail disclosure and examination of the relevant software code. Dubious that the Dems will agree though. It will go to the Supreme Court (that august body who Biden has said he is going to pack with extra members and subject to a mandatory retirement age) so Trump must be worried about what they will decide.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Sean

    “I am glad you approve of a thorough investigation into the possibility, which will entail disclosure and examination of the relevant software code.”

    So where is the specific evidence that will necessitate that disclosure? You just can’t go on a fishing expedition just because you personally feel wronged.
    You are assuming without providing proof. Where is it?

    “who Biden has said he is going to pack with extra members and subject to a mandatory retirement age)”

    Did Biden exactly say that or other Democrats? Please show that particular comment he made.

    Replies: @Alexander Turok

  154. @prime noticer
    how could Trump win on election night in 2016 if he only won the ENTIRE national election by about 100,000 votes between several states, but in 2020, it takes them all week to figure out the votes?

    because they went all out on the cheating this time. that's how.

    Michigan: 11,000 vote margin for Trump in 2016 but they called it ON ELECTION NIGHT.
    Wisconsin: 23,000 vote margin for Trump in 2016 but they called it ON ELECTION NIGHT.
    Pennsylvania: 45,000 vote margin for Trump in 2016 but they called it ON ELECTION NIGHT.

    Replies: @Corn, @LondonBob

    In 2016 one of the battleground states (either MI or PA) started a recount. A Democrat appointed judge actually stopped the recount because too many Democratic shenanigans were coming too light…. precincts with more votes than voters, etc

    Yet four years later in an election Democrats are just as determined to win if not more so, we’re supposed to believe no hijinks occurred. Uh huh. Sure

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Corn

    Even in 2016 Broward and the Snipes woman held back the vote, it was only when the other states were called and Florida became irrelevant they folded.

  155. @res
    @Altai


    Trump lost his share among white males
     
    Everybody seems to be taking that exit poll result as an article of faith. How much good evidence is there that this is really true?

    turnout among non-whites was massively greater
     
    Than when Obama ran?! Does that make sense?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Corn, @Tlotsi

    Trump lost his share among white males

    Everybody seems to be taking that exit poll result as an article of faith. How much good evidence is there that this is really true?

    If the exit polls are to be believed Trump lost ground with white men but gained ground with white women. Anyone else find that backward or just plain fishy?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Corn

    To be honest I made the effort to vote last time but not this time. Too much "a beautiful big door in the wall" and Kushnerism after the election. Was actually going to vote but was very busy and missed the deadline for absentee ballots. Would have voted Trump though.

    Trump disavowed white supremacism once too much for me. To be honest white supremacism sounds better for me than Jewish supremacism or non-white supremacism, which is what we have now. And if you went to 4chan, or even thedonald.win, Kushner somehow failed to capture the meme magic of the 2016 effort. Not surprising really. Now the_donald is just low rent JIDF, it's not random high IQ white males coming up with memes themselves, because they can't be bothered.

    Even Breitbart is kinda low energy this election.

    One other thing, Trump really missed the likes of Manafort this election.

  156. My alma mater continues to embarrass itself.

  157. It seems like the democrats probably know every trick in the book when it comes to pulling votes out of a hat. Clearly it’s been going on officially since the eighties. So obviously they have had decades to refine their methods. What’s worse is that these days everything is tied to computers, which allows for hacking of the results.

  158. @SINCERITY.net
    I am shocked. Why such information has not been disseminated long before the election? By Trump himself, but by iSteve and alternative media?
    So in rare cases people were punished for voter fraud? And how many people obviously committed voter fraud but were not punished?
    Even well informed anti-Leftists like us are baffled we did not know this.
    Precautions should have been proposed and meticulously documented.

    Is voter fraud really a 100% “democrat” issue? Only Leftists engage in voter fraud?

    Our site’s main issue is about the anti-racist PC Gag order, that mandates to lie (by omission) about black crime and other “minority” flaws.
    The foundation of the Left is lying and immorality for the good purpose of disenfranchising “racists” and “nazis” and “deplorables” in order to bring about a leftist social justice paradise.

    This attitude seems to extend to election fraud for good purposes.

    To change this we need to insist on total honesty and shun every single lie (fool me twice, shame on me)
    We need a radical

    TruthRevolution.net

    Replies: @Polynikes, @TomSchmidt, @Edwina

    Is voter fraud really a 100% “democrat” issue? Only Leftists engage in voter fraud?

    I was told the tale, by a woman who was the daughter of a Man who did it, of the former Republican machine in Troy, NY, closely watching the election returns from downstate, and feeding in enough votes to offset some amount of Tammany Cheating. But this would have been more than 60 years ago, and Troy is majority minority today.

  159. It seems to me that there is a lot of political conflict inherent to having cities and burbs/countryside in the same political entity. City dwellers have more interests and problems in common with other cities, even on the other coast than any one of those cities have in common with the less urban areas that the limits of communication and transportation made into a state.

    In this Information Age, why do states have to be contiguous? It would make some sense to to take, say, LA, Chicago, Atlanta, DC, and NYC, and remove them from their current state (or not, in DC’s case). Then group them together in Metropolis State, where they have 2 Senators, and however many Representatives their population entitles them to.

    That would be a good arrangement for both the cities, and their burbs and hinterlands. No need for election shenanigans, they always have 2 big-city Senators. No need to fight over tax policy. The cities-state can coordinate their tax policies, preventing various cities cutting taxes in a save to the bottom. The Senators would not need to balance or trade off the interests of disparate constituencies.

    The rural areas (ruralities?) and ‘burbs left bereft of big city amenities like vibrant diversity, and nearly crime-free dense, walkable neighborhoods would of course suffer tremendously under this plan. They would be denied the refusees of section 8ers. To keep businesses from moving to the cities, they might be forced to have low taxes and less regulation. The unbearable whiteness of being in the ‘burbs would be, well, unbearable,

  160. @Single and Ready to Drop Red Pills
    Something else to think about: last minute mail in ballots giving Biden the win, Trump saying it’s fraud and refusing to concede...yet no right wing militias out on the streets protesting or anything at all. Wasn’t there supposed to be a civil war starting in this scenario? Did both the media and 4chan lie?

    Replies: @Feryl

    If the Supreme Court either refuses to get involved with the election results, or gets involved and sides with the Deep State, then we might see Trump militants take to the streets.

    A Biden admin over-reaching on gun control might also spur more action.

    If Big Tech continues to harass high profile Righties (including President Trump himself), that could push things up.

    Lastly, a “defeated” Trump could establish his own news network to provoke his opponents and mortally wound Fox news (who betrayed Trump by calling several states for Biden before the other networks did). This news outlet could also psyche up his supporters.

    • Replies: @nymom
    @Feryl

    Trump will probably be lucky if they don't come up with an indictment against him and an arrest warrant naming him and his entire family for some Russian hoax...

    , @Hibernian
    @Feryl


    Lastly, a “defeated” Trump could establish his own news network to provoke his opponents and mortally wound Fox news (who betrayed Trump by calling several states for Biden before the other networks did). This news outlet could also psyche up his supporters.
     
    He's going to need every dime he has for legal fees.
  161. @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    @ic1000

    Demographic changes in Pennsylvania doomed Republicans. 500,000 white Pennsylvanians died since Trump won in 2016. Pennsylvania fell below 80% white in 2020 for the first time.

    The 500,000 whites who died were not replaced with whites. There have been more white deaths than births in PA for two decades now. Pennsylvania will never again elect a Republican President, due to the demographic changes.

    Replies: @nymom

    That will be the case throughout the country if Biden gets elected as he has already promised to legalize the 30 or 40 million illegals here with citizenship and, of course, they will all vote Democrat.

    Republicans, starting with Reagan, have participated in this scenario as well with an amnesty in the 80s and now this one in 2021…

    That was the beginning of the end of America as a part of western civilization…

  162. @Feryl
    @Single and Ready to Drop Red Pills

    If the Supreme Court either refuses to get involved with the election results, or gets involved and sides with the Deep State, then we might see Trump militants take to the streets.

    A Biden admin over-reaching on gun control might also spur more action.

    If Big Tech continues to harass high profile Righties (including President Trump himself), that could push things up.

    Lastly, a "defeated" Trump could establish his own news network to provoke his opponents and mortally wound Fox news (who betrayed Trump by calling several states for Biden before the other networks did). This news outlet could also psyche up his supporters.

    Replies: @nymom, @Hibernian

    Trump will probably be lucky if they don’t come up with an indictment against him and an arrest warrant naming him and his entire family for some Russian hoax…

  163. Trump is certainly going to prison. (Apparently his tax returns aren’t in order). The question is whether they have the stones to grab him while he’s still in the White House.

    • Replies: @Getaclue
    @Anonymous

    Garbage. Trump has been audited numerous times and always comes up clean -- and is being audited now -- the NYSlimes even finally had to admit this is a fact. His taxes are prepared by pros and no doubt he has zero input on them just like basically all billionaires and big earners -- your statements are just gibberish -- you must have no finances and never had to hire an accountant to post such drivel.

  164. @Hugo Silva
    @JohnnyWalker123

    There are plenty of Jews supporting Trump, starting by his daughter.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Peter Akuleyev

    With his daughter, Senhor Silva

    What I would like to say is that Trump married his daughter off to the Jews not only because he wants to be a Jew, but because he fundamentally is psychologically Jewish. The complete lack of self-awareness and chutzpah proves that beyond all doubt.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @AndrewR


    Trump married his daughter off to the Jews
     
    That phrasing makes it sound as if the marriage was of the sort that is pre-arranged by a matchmaker, in which the couple has at most minimal say. Is that what you believe?

    (Incidentally, Jews who are learned in, sincere and serious about Judaism view Ivanka's conversion as highly dubious at best. Ulterior motives, such as marriage, are highly problematic, to say the very least*. Then there's also the matter that at least one of the rabbis credited with performing the conversion is rather notorious for effectively being Orthodox in name only.)


    he fundamentally is psychologically Jewish. The complete lack of self-awareness and chutzpah proves that beyond all doubt.
     
    Even if such traits are characteristically Jewish, they are not uniquely and certainly not exclusively so. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris; Nancy Pelosi; Barack and Michelle Obama; Bill and Hillary (Rodham-) Clinton; Al Sharpton; the author of White Fragility; Ibram X. Kendi... just some of the many examples of non-Jews that could be cited here.

    *To say the very least, as Joseph Ford Cotto would say. Incidentally, Cotto's reasonable and responsible standard for comments submitted during the live stream that he co-hosts with Paul Gottfried is an exemplary motto for public expression, and even human behavior in general.

  165. I doubt there was enough fraud to affect the result. But if there was it demonstrates in a way how poor Trump was at actually governing since he had 4 years to make fraud more difficult and basically did nothing.

    • Agree: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @James B. Shearer

    Trump never struck me as a workoholic in office - he liked the golf course and the somewhat low-energy activity of tweeting.

    , @Coemgen
    @James B. Shearer

    Trump got elected as President of the U.S. as an anti-Globalist. That is a laurel that he can rest on for the rest of eternity.

    You go ahead and pettifog.

    I hope some day you at last get your utopian leader and, I hope you get it good and hard.

  166. @Hugo Silva
    @JohnnyWalker123

    There are plenty of Jews supporting Trump, starting by his daughter.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Peter Akuleyev

    Netanyahu just sent his congratulations to Biden, so Trump can now pack it up. When you lose the imprimatur of the Israelis no amount of court challenges is going to help.

  167. Anonymous[318] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu
    @Jack D

    Vote harvesting was the main factor in Trumps loss:


    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/maga-cope/#comment-4269885

    When you fill up the mail in ballot for your demented grandmother this is a fraud though on a micro scale. But multiply it by thousand. Do it in nursing homes. Then do it in community centers in minority areas and ghettos for people who would never vote. You incentivize them and twist their arms. This is no different than ballot stuffing but impossible to be proven as a fraud, yet everybody knows about it.
     

    "Trump was checkmated from the beginning when Dem controlled states allowed mail voting “due to Covid”. Without mail voting, Trump would have won."
    - Exactly.

    Yet, the win of Biden was marginal.

    https://www.unz.com/article/first-thoughts-on-the-election/#comment-4266647
    Despite of being subjected to 24/7 psychological warfare including the skewed poll results of two digit Biden’s advantage, that Trump would be swept by a Tsunami, 50% of Americans voted for Trump. Biden’s win depends on trickling of minute streams of votes of dubious origins. The near majority of Americans demonstrated an amazing immunity and resilience to incessant propaganda and mind conditioning that Trump would be defeated in a land slide. It seems that half of America lives in different reality than that that was conjured for them by media. How did they manage to shield themselves from the media onslaught? Regardless of the final outcome we are witnessing the greatest defeat of the liberal virtual reality control machine.
     
    Even Joe Scarborough agrees:

    Joe Scarborough calls the election result an ‘absolute repudiation of the Democratic party as a brand’ and says Biden’s win will be a ‘one-off’
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8924197/Morning-Joe-calls-election-absolute-repudiation-Democrats.html
     
    And Andrew Yang knows why:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8922985/Andrew-Yang-leads-Democrats-tearing-party-turning-urban-coastal-elite.html
    Andrew Yang tears into the Democrats for becoming a party of 'urban coastal elites' who have abandoned the working class and are more concerned with 'policing cultural issues' after their dismal results
     

    Replies: @Jack D, @Corvinus, @syonredux, @Anonymous

    When you fill up the mail in ballot for your demented grandmother this is a fraud though on a micro scale. But multiply it by thousand. Do it in nursing homes. Then do it in community centers in minority areas and ghettos for people who would never vote. You incentivize them and twist their arms. This is no different than ballot stuffing but impossible to be proven as a fraud, yet everybody knows about it.

    Ballot harvesting is not the same thing as fraud. It’s an extension of canvassing, phone calls, and “ground game”. It’s well known that canvassing – going around door to door urging and reminding people to vote for certain candidates – increases turnout and influences votes in the direction of the canvassers’ candidates.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Anonymous


    Ballot harvesting is not the same thing as fraud.
     
    It is when it's illegal, as it is in some states, but unfortunately not in California.
  168. Here’s an innocent question that might begin a deconstruction of anomalies: why were the counting teams in a number of locations taking long breaks of several hours, or even all night?

    My dear innocent former g.f., an immigrant from Scotland, moved to Massachusetts, married and acquired citizenship, and I have retained a sort of big brother status. She is a bit shy about her standing in the new world. However, she proudly tells me that she has voted (don’t ask). Yet she adds, “I don’t understand this country.” She asks me why the counting teams are going home for the night, and can’t we hire enough people to keep counting until the results are in?

    Hm. Come to think of it, in past elections, I don’t recall expecting anything other than all-night counts. To whom do I pass along this question? I note that the president raised this point in his list of objections, and that CNN in its point-by-point rebuttal does not address it.

    Perhaps some people now celebrating can answer it. It’s very simple, and as I can testify, quite innocent. Who would fail the trust of wide blue eyes? Explanations please. One burst water pipe?

  169. @Anonymous
    @Thoughts

    Is it possible Pennsylvania union activists see their long term interests w/ Democrats even if they don’t necessarily like/respect Biden? Despite endless Salena Zito thumbsucker articles I’m not convinced they or western N.Y. are as culturally rednecked as Ohio and the lower Midwest. And Trump is after all a metropolitan developer who only won PA, MI, and WI because a crucial fraction of Blacks and/or fraudsters weren’t excited by Hillary. The boilermaker guild guy was being talked up by Fox News et al. as a Trump endorser when in fact his local did not publicly endorse either.

    We saw that Trumps progress in MN over 4 years was quite overrated. The closer to Canada, the less automatic benefit from social-conservative issues. It was called a Blue Wall for a reason.

    Replies: @Edwina

    Absolutely. The battle is between people who want a direct say in electing government, and institutions, Union or corporate, who want to insert themselves between people and government much the same as ‘middle-men’ find ways to insert themselves into a supply chain. Next will come ‘community’ organisations. I can see a day coming when all citizens will have to part of one. The result is the erosion of the public sphere, a unique evolutionary development, the reason for which is the subject of much brow scratching.

  170. @SINCERITY.net
    I am shocked. Why such information has not been disseminated long before the election? By Trump himself, but by iSteve and alternative media?
    So in rare cases people were punished for voter fraud? And how many people obviously committed voter fraud but were not punished?
    Even well informed anti-Leftists like us are baffled we did not know this.
    Precautions should have been proposed and meticulously documented.

    Is voter fraud really a 100% “democrat” issue? Only Leftists engage in voter fraud?

    Our site’s main issue is about the anti-racist PC Gag order, that mandates to lie (by omission) about black crime and other “minority” flaws.
    The foundation of the Left is lying and immorality for the good purpose of disenfranchising “racists” and “nazis” and “deplorables” in order to bring about a leftist social justice paradise.

    This attitude seems to extend to election fraud for good purposes.

    To change this we need to insist on total honesty and shun every single lie (fool me twice, shame on me)
    We need a radical

    TruthRevolution.net

    Replies: @Polynikes, @TomSchmidt, @Edwina

    The left by definition is not democratic. Their aim is to replace the Christian (and, in Europe, hereditary elite) with an atheist ideological elite. In perpetuity. They Believe. Just as those who believed America was the new zion and that Manifest Destiny legitimised the replacement of a former way of life, so too a world government regime is a promised land for those on the left.

  171. Anonymous[297] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corn
    @res


    Trump lost his share among white males

    Everybody seems to be taking that exit poll result as an article of faith. How much good evidence is there that this is really true?
     
    If the exit polls are to be believed Trump lost ground with white men but gained ground with white women. Anyone else find that backward or just plain fishy?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    To be honest I made the effort to vote last time but not this time. Too much “a beautiful big door in the wall” and Kushnerism after the election. Was actually going to vote but was very busy and missed the deadline for absentee ballots. Would have voted Trump though.

    Trump disavowed white supremacism once too much for me. To be honest white supremacism sounds better for me than Jewish supremacism or non-white supremacism, which is what we have now. And if you went to 4chan, or even thedonald.win, Kushner somehow failed to capture the meme magic of the 2016 effort. Not surprising really. Now the_donald is just low rent JIDF, it’s not random high IQ white males coming up with memes themselves, because they can’t be bothered.

    Even Breitbart is kinda low energy this election.

    One other thing, Trump really missed the likes of Manafort this election.

    • Agree: AndrewR
  172. @Bard of Bumperstickers
    Tammany Hall didn't have Diebold, Google, Twitter, Facebook, a Clinton-consolidated, monolithic MSM, NSA-backed social credit scoring, and illiterate teachers and tranny clowns instructing first-graders, and they did purty good. Skynet is president now.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Fluesterwitz

    I find baffling that the alleged means of fraud all appear somewhat quaint as if it was the 1920s rather than 2020. Party machines, paper ballots, manually invalidating votes; have computers been made safe against manipulation in the last couple of years and I just didn’t get the email behind my firewall?

  173. @Matt Buckalew
    @Peter Akuleyev

    This is the kind of argument that would be convincing to my silly trust fund girlfriend who has never had to use her brain once in her life.

    Anyone with an IQ over 95 (so admittedly not you) would think-hey where else would be the best place to cheat other than the place where our voters didn’t turn out.

    Now this would be hard to do on the fly but if you say stopped counting the votes illegally for a few hours even you and Lot could have figured it out.

    Also hey isn’t Philly the ground central for the black Israelites (it sure was when I’d visit friends at Penn) and aren’t they vocally ambivalent about the two candidates. Gee that seems like exactly the place they would suffer low turnout and the place were people with an IQ over 95 (again not you) would start manufacturing votes.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    In Georgia there seem to be several counties that experienced obviously fraudulent spikes.

    I would suggest looking at PA the same way, obvious to pad the ballots in more than just Philadelphia.

  174. @prime noticer
    how could Trump win on election night in 2016 if he only won the ENTIRE national election by about 100,000 votes between several states, but in 2020, it takes them all week to figure out the votes?

    because they went all out on the cheating this time. that's how.

    Michigan: 11,000 vote margin for Trump in 2016 but they called it ON ELECTION NIGHT.
    Wisconsin: 23,000 vote margin for Trump in 2016 but they called it ON ELECTION NIGHT.
    Pennsylvania: 45,000 vote margin for Trump in 2016 but they called it ON ELECTION NIGHT.

    Replies: @Corn, @LondonBob

    The NYTimes super sophisticated election predictor dial, that took in to account remaining absentee ballots, and which worked elsewhere, had Georgia going Trump by a couple of points when I went to bed here in London.

    I remain of the belief Trump had higher turnout and picked up late deciders so he did better than expected and the big steal had to be more overt.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  175. @Corn
    @prime noticer

    In 2016 one of the battleground states (either MI or PA) started a recount. A Democrat appointed judge actually stopped the recount because too many Democratic shenanigans were coming too light.... precincts with more votes than voters, etc

    Yet four years later in an election Democrats are just as determined to win if not more so, we’re supposed to believe no hijinks occurred. Uh huh. Sure

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Even in 2016 Broward and the Snipes woman held back the vote, it was only when the other states were called and Florida became irrelevant they folded.

  176. @Sean
    @Corvinus

    I am glad you approve of a thorough investigation into the possibility, which will entail disclosure and examination of the relevant software code. Dubious that the Dems will agree though. It will go to the Supreme Court (that august body who Biden has said he is going to pack with extra members and subject to a mandatory retirement age) so Trump must be worried about what they will decide.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “I am glad you approve of a thorough investigation into the possibility, which will entail disclosure and examination of the relevant software code.”

    So where is the specific evidence that will necessitate that disclosure? You just can’t go on a fishing expedition just because you personally feel wronged.
    You are assuming without providing proof. Where is it?

    “who Biden has said he is going to pack with extra members and subject to a mandatory retirement age)”

    Did Biden exactly say that or other Democrats? Please show that particular comment he made.

    • Replies: @Alexander Turok
    @Corvinus


    You just can’t go on a fishing expedition just because you personally feel wronged.
    You are assuming without providing proof. Where is it?
     
    Sure you can, see the Russiagate hoax.
  177. It telling that there were few concerns about vote fraud back in 2018, nor is there much concern about vote fraud in the senate or house right now. It’s all just the personality cult of Dumb Prole President.

    • Disagree: GazaPlanet
  178. @Corvinus
    @Sean

    “I am glad you approve of a thorough investigation into the possibility, which will entail disclosure and examination of the relevant software code.”

    So where is the specific evidence that will necessitate that disclosure? You just can’t go on a fishing expedition just because you personally feel wronged.
    You are assuming without providing proof. Where is it?

    “who Biden has said he is going to pack with extra members and subject to a mandatory retirement age)”

    Did Biden exactly say that or other Democrats? Please show that particular comment he made.

    Replies: @Alexander Turok

    You just can’t go on a fishing expedition just because you personally feel wronged.
    You are assuming without providing proof. Where is it?

    Sure you can, see the Russiagate hoax.

  179. @Hibernian
    Illegally selling liquor in the 1920s would have required a high degree of coordination. Setting up saloons disguised as ice cream parlors, bribing police, rural sheriffs and urban politicians, etc.

    Replies: @James Forrestal

    Illegally selling liquor in the 1920s would have required a high degree of coordination. Setting up saloons disguised as ice cream parlors, bribing police, rural sheriffs and urban politicians, etc.

    Exactly. Clearly, bootleg liquor was a just a “conspiracy theory!”

    Someone should tell the (((Bronfmans))) — and Cindy McCain (how did her dad Jim Hensley make his money again?)

  180. @Thoughts
    No one with half a brain could think Joe was elected honestly

    You do not lose Texas, Florida, and Ohio and win Penn

    This needs to be fought and hard

    It is interesting that iSteve has turned into a place of people who believe the election results

    No surprise though

    Replies: @Anonymous, @James Forrestal, @No0biE

    No one with half a brain could think Joe was elected honestly

    You do not lose Texas, Florida, and Ohio and win Penn

    Seems unlikely. Along the same lines — Bellwether counties 1956-2020:

    • Replies: @res
    @James Forrestal

    Thanks. This looks like the source. Do you know of anywhere that has more detail of this? In particular, how were the counties selected? Because Darlington, SC and Calhoun, SC with 5 misses out of 16 elections seem like odd choices.

    https://twitter.com/quackocracy/status/1325219237003218947

    Might be interesting to reproduce that analysis with the 11 counties in this article.
    https://cookpolitical.com/analysis/national/national-politics/10-bellwether-counties-show-how-trump-serious-trouble

    BTW, this was an interesting point from that article. Who could have guessed which states would have interesting patterns of voting and choices of news networks to call or not?


    To win the White House, Mr. Biden will need to flip some combination of the 10 states Mr. Trump carried by less than 10 points in 2016 (in ascending order of margin): Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Florida, Arizona, North Carolina, Georgia, Ohio, Texas and Iowa. Mr. Biden has several paths to victory, and the first three states alone, in addition to every state won by Hillary Clinton, would be enough to put him into the Oval Office.

    Conversely, Mr. Trump would likely need to win at least eight of those 10 states for a second term. A look at these bellwethers — all either tossups or leaning toward Mr. Biden — makes clear that Mr. Trump is in serious trouble.
     

    Replies: @James Forrestal

  181. @Thoughts
    No one with half a brain could think Joe was elected honestly

    You do not lose Texas, Florida, and Ohio and win Penn

    This needs to be fought and hard

    It is interesting that iSteve has turned into a place of people who believe the election results

    No surprise though

    Replies: @Anonymous, @James Forrestal, @No0biE

    There is a lot of credulity here towards Corona-panic also, not to mention a haughty attitude towards the working class. They will probably enjoy many aspects of a Biden presidency.

  182. @Abe
    @Jack D


    You are right about the 24/7 psychological warfare. Ironically, this worked better on suburban whites who are more tuned into the major media and more sensitive about their neighbor’s opinions. Working class whites already know that our ruling class despises them so that anything that the ruling class pushes just makes them more likely to do the opposite, to the extent that they follow the line of the editorial page of the NY Times at all, which is not much.
     
    This was the P$SSY-WHIPPED election. Trump lost significant support among white men. Based on (yes, anecdotal) information I’m betting it was middle class and white collar professional white men and they were arm-twisted into doing so by their wives. Speaking personally I had to (no joke) steam open my ballot and alter it for Trump after voting Biden in front of my wife. 24/7 media gaslighting literally turned her insane- at least 10 hours each day of CNN/MSNBC rage-ahol (she’s a honemaker) every day for the last 4 years (no exaggeration on any of these stats). She threatened separation if I voted for Trump again which, even if only a bluff, would have created another 4 years of domestic turmoil regardless of who won.

    And yet- the self-emasculation of so many men I know was pathetic. In 2018 I visited relatives- kind, sweet, intelligent people under normal circumstances, yet the vulture-like glean in their eyes as they followed every tune of the Mueller investigation as it wended its way through the public colon! Ah ha!- they’ve subpoena’d Trump’s accountant- this will finally reveal the evidence to take him down!

    My alumni volunteer work at the Best University on Earth(TM) this week has gotten me many unsolicitedly TMI email replies from “male” alumni about how they’ve been too busy to reply to our drive because they’ve been glued to their screens watching the counts with light alcohol beverages in-hand to regulate their fragile emotional states. What pu$$ies!

    I was on calls this week with colleagues- again, the nicest, smartest, sweetest guys you could wish for in terms of co-workers and I work in a technical field so these are engineering school graduates. Again with the unsolicited emotional menstruation about the election and vote count, about their feelings of emotional vulnerability over it and how close their mental health was to the precipice. What pu$$ies!

    There will not be another “white nationalist” candidate after Trump, but given how there is no intra-white solidarity I’m OK with that now. Remember that Oregon and Washington were, yet again, not even in play this election despite 80% white demographics. Remember that Minnesota, despite having its nice main metropolis city looted and burned by the forces of BLM, did not vote Trump. Remember that Virginia is now blue thanks to the influx of white middle class professionals thanks to Dubya turning its northern suburbs into Invade the World Inc. company towns, and that North Carolina and even Arizona are now purple thanks to the infestation of thousands of “Californians”.

    Let it hearten you the polls were dead wrong again. Let it hearten you that this election was basically a tie. Let it hearten you that Trump got a bigger slice of the black vote than any GOP candidate in memory despite, objectively, taking the least sh!t from blacks of any Republican President in memory (remember it was Popi Bush who pioneered the wonderful precedent of double jeopardy trials by bringing up the Rodney King cops on civil rights charges). Let it hearten you that a very large segment of the white population is perfectly fine with being vilified and having their heritage dismantled so long as the great white mind control device (TV) assures them this is right and proper (the outcome is still bad, but if so many of its victims don’t care, doesn’t that take the weight off a bit?)

    Most of all, though, Trump taught me to be a better man- don’t get disheartened, don’t worry too much about tomorrow or outcomes you can’t control right now, keep fighting for yourself and what you believe in no matter the odds.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Joe Stalin, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @Ben tillman, @nebulafox

    I have read your comments before, Abe, and have mostly agreed with you. This one is just staggering to me.

    First of all, I’m gonna sound like a broken record, OK, if you don’t know what that is, a guy going by the handle Freddie who used to comment on Zerohedge, when I say: Get off the TV!. Everyone. If you don’t, you should not claim that you are in any way opposed to what’s coming. I have had a commenter here telling me I write this to feel virtuous. No, I write this to tell people to get the fuck off the damn TV! Period!

    Now, Abe, it sounds like you have more of a family than just your wife. Otherwise, I assume you would have gotten out of this misery long ago, as I would have. With kids, you can’t do that. Men are in a big bind in today’s marriages, since the kids can be taken from you, along with the less-important house you sweated to fix up, and whatever else. Rosie, just stifle yourself! You promised you wouldn’t comment to me (but what is a promise to a woman, especially a feminist?)

    You said you’re not exaggerating, but 10 hours daily in front of the idiot plate? Even 3 I find horrid.

    I guess I picked well, because my wife would never deign to tell me who to vote for. Not only that, but I told her flat out in ’16, when she did not really care about politics anyway, that I would not help her register if she didn’t promise to vote for Trump. She said “I dunno”, and I said “OK, well we don’t need to go down there.”. No hard feelings resulted.

    You know what helps, Abe? No TV. (We have the screen for occasional videos, but the thing is neither hooked up to cable nor the antenna that I spent 3 hours putting up on the roof years ago. (The wind eventually knocked the cable around and broke it. Jimmy crack corn, and I don’t care.)

    Oh, and I agree wholeheartedly with TWS here on Amendment XIX. Rosie, stifle!

    I gotta write you some more in a minute about the other stuff.

    • Replies: @Abe
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Achmed, I totally agree about TV! I stopped watching it completely thanks to Trump. During the 2016 Election, when media gaslighting was still somewhat effective on me, I was stressing what a trainwreck the whole Trump campaign was shaping up to be. Sacking your campaign manager (Manafort) in the middle of the election? Who ever heard of that? Running such a ramshackle, second-rate nomination convention where all the star power, such as it was, had to be provided by Scott Baio? How could Trump not get trounced in the general election! How could Hillary not fail to win 400 electoral votes and flip both houses of Congress? But- Trump won! Despite being outspent 4-1; despite not having Bruce Springsteen and John Bon Jovi staging fabulous concerts on his behalf; despite assorted swamp creature saboteurs and FBI informants riddling his campaign!

    Thanks to Trump’s demonstration of what a reality distortion mechanism TV “news” is I shut it off and have never looked back. One example of the salubrious benefits- I know of Greta Thurnberg yet have never heard her voice. That means the hours and days I would have otherwise wasted hating Greta Thurnberg before the media dropped her and foisted upon us some new astroturfed “change agent” darling were mine and mine to enjoy. The irony is that the journo-list 24/7 anti-Trump disinformation and demoralization campaign seems to have barely effected Trump-lovers while driving Trump haters to the mental edge.

    Regarding Mrs. Abe, yes, we have (young-ish) kids. And to reframe some of your question- what does Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the babe with politics to the right of Antonin Scalia who shoots an assault rifle for fun in a stars-n-stripes bikini all have in common? None of them [email protected] exist! Mrs. Abe is a good, normal, feminine woman with immense nurturing instincts for both children and animals whose mind was fried by the MSM ever since the broadcast of those AXIS HOLLYWOOD tapes. I find the idea of having a political litmus test for your lover or spouse repugnant and freakish and would not relish the thought of being Mr. Laura Ingrham or even Mr. Amy Coney Barret who (despite seeming to be an amazing individual) has a crazy look in her eyes (a friend of mine, who along with his wife is involved in Catholic family doctrine activism, is married to basically a ACB clone and he says she is both crazy and quite difficult to live with).

    Again, lots of good women with exactly the sort of values and personalities one wants in a wife and mother turned into rapid Trump-haters by MSM couvade rape brainwash. On a personal level- and happy to provide such husband game advice- if you want your wife to fold faster than the French Army and you have adolescent kids, do it by turning it into her against the rest of the family. Women are naturally social attuned (burp! conformist) creatures who are terrified of being out of step with the group. A couple weeks ago I told my wife she needed to knock off this 24/7 politics/CNN rage-ahol sh!t because even our 11 year old now thought she was crazy and you should have seen the look on her face! It was like I had just slapped her- it was the proverbial fragile minority/point-to-the-part-on-the-doll-they-microagressed-on “it felt like a punch to the gut” look!

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Achmed E. Newman

  183. @Feryl
    @Single and Ready to Drop Red Pills

    If the Supreme Court either refuses to get involved with the election results, or gets involved and sides with the Deep State, then we might see Trump militants take to the streets.

    A Biden admin over-reaching on gun control might also spur more action.

    If Big Tech continues to harass high profile Righties (including President Trump himself), that could push things up.

    Lastly, a "defeated" Trump could establish his own news network to provoke his opponents and mortally wound Fox news (who betrayed Trump by calling several states for Biden before the other networks did). This news outlet could also psyche up his supporters.

    Replies: @nymom, @Hibernian

    Lastly, a “defeated” Trump could establish his own news network to provoke his opponents and mortally wound Fox news (who betrayed Trump by calling several states for Biden before the other networks did). This news outlet could also psyche up his supporters.

    He’s going to need every dime he has for legal fees.

  184. @Anonymous
    @utu


    When you fill up the mail in ballot for your demented grandmother this is a fraud though on a micro scale. But multiply it by thousand. Do it in nursing homes. Then do it in community centers in minority areas and ghettos for people who would never vote. You incentivize them and twist their arms. This is no different than ballot stuffing but impossible to be proven as a fraud, yet everybody knows about it.
     
    Ballot harvesting is not the same thing as fraud. It's an extension of canvassing, phone calls, and "ground game". It's well known that canvassing - going around door to door urging and reminding people to vote for certain candidates - increases turnout and influences votes in the direction of the canvassers' candidates.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Ballot harvesting is not the same thing as fraud.

    It is when it’s illegal, as it is in some states, but unfortunately not in California.

  185. @Abe
    @Jack D


    You are right about the 24/7 psychological warfare. Ironically, this worked better on suburban whites who are more tuned into the major media and more sensitive about their neighbor’s opinions. Working class whites already know that our ruling class despises them so that anything that the ruling class pushes just makes them more likely to do the opposite, to the extent that they follow the line of the editorial page of the NY Times at all, which is not much.
     
    This was the P$SSY-WHIPPED election. Trump lost significant support among white men. Based on (yes, anecdotal) information I’m betting it was middle class and white collar professional white men and they were arm-twisted into doing so by their wives. Speaking personally I had to (no joke) steam open my ballot and alter it for Trump after voting Biden in front of my wife. 24/7 media gaslighting literally turned her insane- at least 10 hours each day of CNN/MSNBC rage-ahol (she’s a honemaker) every day for the last 4 years (no exaggeration on any of these stats). She threatened separation if I voted for Trump again which, even if only a bluff, would have created another 4 years of domestic turmoil regardless of who won.

    And yet- the self-emasculation of so many men I know was pathetic. In 2018 I visited relatives- kind, sweet, intelligent people under normal circumstances, yet the vulture-like glean in their eyes as they followed every tune of the Mueller investigation as it wended its way through the public colon! Ah ha!- they’ve subpoena’d Trump’s accountant- this will finally reveal the evidence to take him down!

    My alumni volunteer work at the Best University on Earth(TM) this week has gotten me many unsolicitedly TMI email replies from “male” alumni about how they’ve been too busy to reply to our drive because they’ve been glued to their screens watching the counts with light alcohol beverages in-hand to regulate their fragile emotional states. What pu$$ies!

    I was on calls this week with colleagues- again, the nicest, smartest, sweetest guys you could wish for in terms of co-workers and I work in a technical field so these are engineering school graduates. Again with the unsolicited emotional menstruation about the election and vote count, about their feelings of emotional vulnerability over it and how close their mental health was to the precipice. What pu$$ies!

    There will not be another “white nationalist” candidate after Trump, but given how there is no intra-white solidarity I’m OK with that now. Remember that Oregon and Washington were, yet again, not even in play this election despite 80% white demographics. Remember that Minnesota, despite having its nice main metropolis city looted and burned by the forces of BLM, did not vote Trump. Remember that Virginia is now blue thanks to the influx of white middle class professionals thanks to Dubya turning its northern suburbs into Invade the World Inc. company towns, and that North Carolina and even Arizona are now purple thanks to the infestation of thousands of “Californians”.

    Let it hearten you the polls were dead wrong again. Let it hearten you that this election was basically a tie. Let it hearten you that Trump got a bigger slice of the black vote than any GOP candidate in memory despite, objectively, taking the least sh!t from blacks of any Republican President in memory (remember it was Popi Bush who pioneered the wonderful precedent of double jeopardy trials by bringing up the Rodney King cops on civil rights charges). Let it hearten you that a very large segment of the white population is perfectly fine with being vilified and having their heritage dismantled so long as the great white mind control device (TV) assures them this is right and proper (the outcome is still bad, but if so many of its victims don’t care, doesn’t that take the weight off a bit?)

    Most of all, though, Trump taught me to be a better man- don’t get disheartened, don’t worry too much about tomorrow or outcomes you can’t control right now, keep fighting for yourself and what you believe in no matter the odds.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Joe Stalin, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @Ben tillman, @nebulafox

    Question: Are these “engineers” actual engineers or computer people, Abe? Unless they are foreigners, I have not been around engineers who don’t have the common sense and logic to know what’s going on in politics at least the littlest bit. I find it hard to believe that the ones you talk to are showing “unsolicited emotional menstruation about the election and vote count, about their feelings of emotional vulnerability over it and how close their mental health was to the precipice.” “What pu$$ies!” Indeed.

    As for your main point, I truly don’t think the “pussy-whipping” factor can be that large. How many people mailed in ballots anyway, as opposed to going there and doing it? (Whether early or not, you still vote on your own. I even considered helping my wife out with a few of the selections, but I figured the people in there would have frowned on that.)

    Could the major factor not have been many, educated or not, white people giving up on Trump as he pandered to blacks to the tune of 1/2 a Trillion bucks, told us how great they were doing in the job market, etc. If I hadn’t read the very recent VDare info. on Trump’s under-the-radar progress on immigration (easily reversible, though), I may have been disheartened enough to not vote either. How many people follow the details of the news that closely, Abe?

    Of course, just the “stick the ctrl-left in the eye with a Trump win” factor would probably have still motivated me. Trump would have won this thing easily if he had campaigned on some of this small successes that were done to help out the average American, still a white person, for now.

    PS: I agree completely about the voter replacement in northern Virginia and the rest. It’s not just Californicators that flipped Nevada (in ’16, at least) but plenty of illegal aliens and their progeny, brought in to do the “gaming” work that Americans just wouldn’t do.

    • Replies: @Abe
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Question: Are these “engineers” actual engineers or computer people, Abe? Unless they are foreigners, I have not been around engineers who don’t have the common sense and logic to know what’s going on in politics at least the littlest bit. I find it hard to believe that the ones you talk to are showing “unsolicited emotional menstruation about the election and vote count, about their feelings of emotional vulnerability over it and how close their mental health was to the precipice.” “What pu$$ies!” Indeed.
     
    Yes, computer people. Yes, maybe different politics from the geo-hydrologist making his living fracking. Mix of Americans, a naturalized Brit, Indian-Americans (real dot Indians who know they will move back eventually think Trump is a total gas as they realize even he is dignified and restrained by the standards of politics back home). Yet these guys are all pretty much FAANG veterans (minimum 130 IQ for technical positions) and like I said the nicest, sweetest guys you could want as co-workers. While not exactly the 1st Battle of Ypres, I have worked with these gents on mission critical projects where particularly bad failure could be career-ending and they always had my back.

    But, yeah, the need to “share their feelings” about the election in a context that was supposed to be entirely professional. The quality of their voices which I can only describe as “moist”. These are otherwise, intelligent, rational, not particularly ideological people. I can only think that constant media gaslighting made them think that so long as Trump was in charge everything was spiraling out of control, that a bus was being driven over some cliff (and my ability to keep functioning with a smile on my face when I do not have control is another way Trump has made me a better man).

    My theory is conjectural and anecdotal and I admit could be totally wrong. Maybe Trump didn’t even slide in his white male support at all, or maybe it came from blue collar types who felt burned by his pro-manufacturing campaign promises and Kushner-ite, financialized economy actual track record. But my feeling is that Biden becoming the pro-BLM candidate should have been more than enough to offset that.

  186. @Altai
    The thing about the allegations of vote fraud is that they emerge from the fact that Trump's election was never accepted as legitimate and the establishment spent 4 years making it clear they were out to get Trump.

    This coupled with the massive amounts of absentee voting due to covid and you have the perfect storm. Because this outcome can seem plausible enough in either reality. The lockdowns and extra time and effort to get people to vote mean a massive turnout and a massive turnout in cohorts in favour of Biden. And the order they were counted in some states meant they came in a massive bunch and often late into the night.

    Thus whether the election was stolen or not, it would look very very similar.

    I also don't think it would require that many people to do this, with all the stuff going on with absentee ballots and cover from the media, people would likely go along with it and dismiss anything that looked slightly odd.

    But again, if the results had come in normally and there was no count stop, would anyone think there was anything amiss? Trump lost his share among white males and turnout among non-whites was massively greater even if he won more of them, they were still majority against him and came out in much greater numbers.

    Replies: @Altai, @Thoughts, @James Speaks, @res, @Excal, @Ben tillman

    Trump did not “lose his share among white males”.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Ben tillman


    Trump did not “lose his share among white males”.
     
    I like your commentary in general Ben, but I think the facts say otherwise.

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-jared-kushner-strategy-obviously-backfired/#comment-4273063
  187. @tyrone
    "they risk prosecution" HA! HA! HA! that's very funny,like a democrat would ever be charged with voter fraud. Biden and the Clintons have been openly taking bribes for years and if any of them spend a day in jail I will eat my hat.

    Replies: @Ben tillman

    Yeah, this professor is just another gaslighter.

  188. @James B. Shearer
    I doubt there was enough fraud to affect the result. But if there was it demonstrates in a way how poor Trump was at actually governing since he had 4 years to make fraud more difficult and basically did nothing.

    Replies: @Wielgus, @Coemgen

    Trump never struck me as a workoholic in office – he liked the golf course and the somewhat low-energy activity of tweeting.

  189. @MB
    @Corvinus

    If you can't distinguish between requesting an absentee ballot and the mass mailing of mail-in ballots, you're not competent to the discussion.

    But then again, the mainscream media, the Dementia Party candidate and a whole lot of other people aren't either including to some degree, even the incumbent.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    The mass request for mail in ballots led to the mass voting. It just happened to be the preference for citizens, and it is legal. Had the vote turned out differently, Trump would be extolling its effectiveness. But recall that he said he was going to win no matter what. Any outcome not in his favor was automatic fraud in his world. That is insane.

    The fact of the matter is that there needs to be exact proof that this process of mail in balloting was patently compromised. Where is your evidence other than emotion?

    • LOL: GazaPlanet
    • Troll: GeneralRipper
  190. You mean like the Hammer program? Lol

  191. @Barnard
    A good read. I have to question what has happened in a man's life that makes the job of driving around homeless drunks in his own car to get them to vote worth it. I know they won't do it, but if Mr. Hansen is truly this ignorant of the history of voter fraud in Chicago, he has no business being a political scientist at the University of Chicago. They should fire him.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Ben tillman

    We’re not talking about “voter” fraud. We’re talking about vote fraud or vote-counting fraud or vote fabrication. But you’re right. The professor is incompetent or lying, and either way he should not be at the U. Of Chicago.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Ben tillman


    ...he should not be at the U. Of Chicago.
     
    He fits right in.
  192. @JohnnyWalker123
    Jews got away with the following:

    -USS Liberty
    -Vastly exaggerating Holocaust
    -911
    -No WMDs in Iraq
    -Assassinating Jeffrey Epstein
    -Rigging the Iowa caucus against Bernie Sanders

    Maybe they felt emboldened enough to do something on this scale?

    Given how berserk Trump has driven them, this wouldn't surprise me.

    I remember on election night, all these Democrats were freaking out on TV and Twitter. Then suddenly, during the super late night hours, Biden began unexpectedly surging.

    When Toobin and those other Jews were war gaming election night, they were pre planning how to steal the election in the event of a Trump victory.

    Sadly, there is a reasonably good chance that the Jews will get away with this.

    Replies: @Thoughts, @Anonymous, @Hugo Silva, @Corvinus

    Your handlers are so proud that you go all loose cannon. Demand a raise!

  193. @Ben tillman
    @Barnard

    We’re not talking about “voter” fraud. We’re talking about vote fraud or vote-counting fraud or vote fabrication. But you’re right. The professor is incompetent or lying, and either way he should not be at the U. Of Chicago.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    …he should not be at the U. Of Chicago.

    He fits right in.

  194. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Abe

    I have read your comments before, Abe, and have mostly agreed with you. This one is just staggering to me.

    First of all, I'm gonna sound like a broken record, OK, if you don't know what that is, a guy going by the handle Freddie who used to comment on Zerohedge, when I say: Get off the TV!. Everyone. If you don't, you should not claim that you are in any way opposed to what's coming. I have had a commenter here telling me I write this to feel virtuous. No, I write this to tell people to get the fuck off the damn TV! Period!

    Now, Abe, it sounds like you have more of a family than just your wife. Otherwise, I assume you would have gotten out of this misery long ago, as I would have. With kids, you can't do that. Men are in a big bind in today's marriages, since the kids can be taken from you, along with the less-important house you sweated to fix up, and whatever else. Rosie, just stifle yourself! You promised you wouldn't comment to me (but what is a promise to a woman, especially a feminist?)

    You said you're not exaggerating, but 10 hours daily in front of the idiot plate? Even 3 I find horrid.

    I guess I picked well, because my wife would never deign to tell me who to vote for. Not only that, but I told her flat out in '16, when she did not really care about politics anyway, that I would not help her register if she didn't promise to vote for Trump. She said "I dunno", and I said "OK, well we don't need to go down there.". No hard feelings resulted.

    You know what helps, Abe? No TV. (We have the screen for occasional videos, but the thing is neither hooked up to cable nor the antenna that I spent 3 hours putting up on the roof years ago. (The wind eventually knocked the cable around and broke it. Jimmy crack corn, and I don't care.)

    Oh, and I agree wholeheartedly with TWS here on Amendment XIX. Rosie, stifle!

    I gotta write you some more in a minute about the other stuff.

    Replies: @Abe

    Achmed, I totally agree about TV! I stopped watching it completely thanks to Trump. During the 2016 Election, when media gaslighting was still somewhat effective on me, I was stressing what a trainwreck the whole Trump campaign was shaping up to be. Sacking your campaign manager (Manafort) in the middle of the election? Who ever heard of that? Running such a ramshackle, second-rate nomination convention where all the star power, such as it was, had to be provided by Scott Baio? How could Trump not get trounced in the general election! How could Hillary not fail to win 400 electoral votes and flip both houses of Congress? But- Trump won! Despite being outspent 4-1; despite not having Bruce Springsteen and John Bon Jovi staging fabulous concerts on his behalf; despite assorted swamp creature saboteurs and FBI informants riddling his campaign!

    Thanks to Trump’s demonstration of what a reality distortion mechanism TV “news” is I shut it off and have never looked back. One example of the salubrious benefits- I know of Greta Thurnberg yet have never heard her voice. That means the hours and days I would have otherwise wasted hating Greta Thurnberg before the media dropped her and foisted upon us some new astroturfed “change agent” darling were mine and mine to enjoy. The irony is that the journo-list 24/7 anti-Trump disinformation and demoralization campaign seems to have barely effected Trump-lovers while driving Trump haters to the mental edge.

    Regarding Mrs. Abe, yes, we have (young-ish) kids. And to reframe some of your question- what does Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the babe with politics to the right of Antonin Scalia who shoots an assault rifle for fun in a stars-n-stripes bikini all have in common? None of them [email protected] exist! Mrs. Abe is a good, normal, feminine woman with immense nurturing instincts for both children and animals whose mind was fried by the MSM ever since the broadcast of those AXIS HOLLYWOOD tapes. I find the idea of having a political litmus test for your lover or spouse repugnant and freakish and would not relish the thought of being Mr. Laura Ingrham or even Mr. Amy Coney Barret who (despite seeming to be an amazing individual) has a crazy look in her eyes (a friend of mine, who along with his wife is involved in Catholic family doctrine activism, is married to basically a ACB clone and he says she is both crazy and quite difficult to live with).

    Again, lots of good women with exactly the sort of values and personalities one wants in a wife and mother turned into rapid Trump-haters by MSM couvade rape brainwash. On a personal level- and happy to provide such husband game advice- if you want your wife to fold faster than the French Army and you have adolescent kids, do it by turning it into her against the rest of the family. Women are naturally social attuned (burp! conformist) creatures who are terrified of being out of step with the group. A couple weeks ago I told my wife she needed to knock off this 24/7 politics/CNN rage-ahol sh!t because even our 11 year old now thought she was crazy and you should have seen the look on her face! It was like I had just slapped her- it was the proverbial fragile minority/point-to-the-part-on-the-doll-they-microagressed-on “it felt like a punch to the gut” look!

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Abe

    I just cannot understand people who would disown family or spouses or friends over politics. It is something that 99 percent of Americans have no say in, anyhow. More like pro-sports than anything impactful.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Abe

    Mr. Abe, thanks for the long replies, both of them. You explained your position quite well. I had just thought, from what you wrote earlier, that it was a bad situation for you. The fact that you had to sneak about to get your vote in* is something that I am very glad to not have to worry about.

    We have a close relative who is pretty lefty in some ways, though still very conservative socially and family-wise as we all are. Just to put it into one word: Unitarian Church. (OK, that's 2 words, sorry.) That changes nothing, as we make an effort not to talk politics. I would hope also not to have to worry about politics were I younger and had met someone I loved. It just works out better when the women stay out of politics. The commenter above about the Moslem way describes something way overboard, but their conservatism in sex roles has a lot to say for it.

    Let me go back to my 1st paragraph, as I wrote something 6 months ago about my trying my best to keep not lying at all to my wife when we were at odds about the Kung Flu. I finally understood that there was stuff she could not hear. I couldn't be totally honest anymore, but what I do is just don't mention stuff, such as when my boy and I go get a hot dog at the little restaurant (she was extremely worried about any food that wasn't from the store). I had to tell my kid, though, if she asks we've got to be honest, and take the freak-out for a while. What a way to have to teach a kid young! Luckily she has really mellowed out on this**.

    It's too bad Mrs. Abe did not quit the TV when you did. I think you'd have been more on the same page.

    I enjoyed the discussion so far. Thanks, Mr. Abe.

    .


    * Which got me wondering, BTW, and I hate to say this, but wouldn't I, as a ballot-checker/vote-counter possibly toss yours after I had seen the tampering? How did you change it in a way that the mailman, were he a crooked vote-stealer could not have or in a way that shouldn't get it a lot of scrutiny?

    ** It helps a whole lot, for everyone, not just her, that nobody knows anyone sick from the COVID, nor has heard of anyone who has died from it, in all this time. Commandeered Fed-Ex vans are not coming around the neighborhood requesting over the P/A for people to "bring outcher dead!". After a while, people can't keep that hysteria going.

    Replies: @Abe

  195. @AndrewR
    @Hugo Silva

    With his daughter, Senhor Silva

    What I would like to say is that Trump married his daughter off to the Jews not only because he wants to be a Jew, but because he fundamentally is psychologically Jewish. The complete lack of self-awareness and chutzpah proves that beyond all doubt.

    Replies: @Dissident

    Trump married his daughter off to the Jews

    That phrasing makes it sound as if the marriage was of the sort that is pre-arranged by a matchmaker, in which the couple has at most minimal say. Is that what you believe?

    (Incidentally, Jews who are learned in, sincere and serious about Judaism view Ivanka’s conversion as highly dubious at best. Ulterior motives, such as marriage, are highly problematic, to say the very least*. Then there’s also the matter that at least one of the rabbis credited with performing the conversion is rather notorious for effectively being Orthodox in name only.)

    he fundamentally is psychologically Jewish. The complete lack of self-awareness and chutzpah proves that beyond all doubt.

    Even if such traits are characteristically Jewish, they are not uniquely and certainly not exclusively so. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris; Nancy Pelosi; Barack and Michelle Obama; Bill and Hillary (Rodham-) Clinton; Al Sharpton; the author of White Fragility; Ibram X. Kendi… just some of the many examples of non-Jews that could be cited here.

    *To say the very least, as Joseph Ford Cotto would say. Incidentally, Cotto’s reasonable and responsible standard for comments submitted during the live stream that he co-hosts with Paul Gottfried is an exemplary motto for public expression, and even human behavior in general.

  196. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Abe

    Question: Are these "engineers" actual engineers or computer people, Abe? Unless they are foreigners, I have not been around engineers who don't have the common sense and logic to know what's going on in politics at least the littlest bit. I find it hard to believe that the ones you talk to are showing "unsolicited emotional menstruation about the election and vote count, about their feelings of emotional vulnerability over it and how close their mental health was to the precipice." "What pu$$ies!" Indeed.

    As for your main point, I truly don't think the "pussy-whipping" factor can be that large. How many people mailed in ballots anyway, as opposed to going there and doing it? (Whether early or not, you still vote on your own. I even considered helping my wife out with a few of the selections, but I figured the people in there would have frowned on that.)

    Could the major factor not have been many, educated or not, white people giving up on Trump as he pandered to blacks to the tune of 1/2 a Trillion bucks, told us how great they were doing in the job market, etc. If I hadn't read the very recent VDare info. on Trump's under-the-radar progress on immigration (easily reversible, though), I may have been disheartened enough to not vote either. How many people follow the details of the news that closely, Abe?

    Of course, just the "stick the ctrl-left in the eye with a Trump win" factor would probably have still motivated me. Trump would have won this thing easily if he had campaigned on some of this small successes that were done to help out the average American, still a white person, for now.

    PS: I agree completely about the voter replacement in northern Virginia and the rest. It's not just Californicators that flipped Nevada (in '16, at least) but plenty of illegal aliens and their progeny, brought in to do the "gaming" work that Americans just wouldn't do.

    Replies: @Abe

    Question: Are these “engineers” actual engineers or computer people, Abe? Unless they are foreigners, I have not been around engineers who don’t have the common sense and logic to know what’s going on in politics at least the littlest bit. I find it hard to believe that the ones you talk to are showing “unsolicited emotional menstruation about the election and vote count, about their feelings of emotional vulnerability over it and how close their mental health was to the precipice.” “What pu$$ies!” Indeed.

    Yes, computer people. Yes, maybe different politics from the geo-hydrologist making his living fracking. Mix of Americans, a naturalized Brit, Indian-Americans (real dot Indians who know they will move back eventually think Trump is a total gas as they realize even he is dignified and restrained by the standards of politics back home). Yet these guys are all pretty much FAANG veterans (minimum 130 IQ for technical positions) and like I said the nicest, sweetest guys you could want as co-workers. While not exactly the 1st Battle of Ypres, I have worked with these gents on mission critical projects where particularly bad failure could be career-ending and they always had my back.

    But, yeah, the need to “share their feelings” about the election in a context that was supposed to be entirely professional. The quality of their voices which I can only describe as “moist”. These are otherwise, intelligent, rational, not particularly ideological people. I can only think that constant media gaslighting made them think that so long as Trump was in charge everything was spiraling out of control, that a bus was being driven over some cliff (and my ability to keep functioning with a smile on my face when I do not have control is another way Trump has made me a better man).

    My theory is conjectural and anecdotal and I admit could be totally wrong. Maybe Trump didn’t even slide in his white male support at all, or maybe it came from blue collar types who felt burned by his pro-manufacturing campaign promises and Kushner-ite, financialized economy actual track record. But my feeling is that Biden becoming the pro-BLM candidate should have been more than enough to offset that.

  197. @Ben tillman
    @Altai

    Trump did not “lose his share among white males”.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Trump did not “lose his share among white males”.

    I like your commentary in general Ben, but I think the facts say otherwise.

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-jared-kushner-strategy-obviously-backfired/#comment-4273063

  198. @Abe
    @Jack D


    You are right about the 24/7 psychological warfare. Ironically, this worked better on suburban whites who are more tuned into the major media and more sensitive about their neighbor’s opinions. Working class whites already know that our ruling class despises them so that anything that the ruling class pushes just makes them more likely to do the opposite, to the extent that they follow the line of the editorial page of the NY Times at all, which is not much.
     
    This was the P$SSY-WHIPPED election. Trump lost significant support among white men. Based on (yes, anecdotal) information I’m betting it was middle class and white collar professional white men and they were arm-twisted into doing so by their wives. Speaking personally I had to (no joke) steam open my ballot and alter it for Trump after voting Biden in front of my wife. 24/7 media gaslighting literally turned her insane- at least 10 hours each day of CNN/MSNBC rage-ahol (she’s a honemaker) every day for the last 4 years (no exaggeration on any of these stats). She threatened separation if I voted for Trump again which, even if only a bluff, would have created another 4 years of domestic turmoil regardless of who won.

    And yet- the self-emasculation of so many men I know was pathetic. In 2018 I visited relatives- kind, sweet, intelligent people under normal circumstances, yet the vulture-like glean in their eyes as they followed every tune of the Mueller investigation as it wended its way through the public colon! Ah ha!- they’ve subpoena’d Trump’s accountant- this will finally reveal the evidence to take him down!

    My alumni volunteer work at the Best University on Earth(TM) this week has gotten me many unsolicitedly TMI email replies from “male” alumni about how they’ve been too busy to reply to our drive because they’ve been glued to their screens watching the counts with light alcohol beverages in-hand to regulate their fragile emotional states. What pu$$ies!

    I was on calls this week with colleagues- again, the nicest, smartest, sweetest guys you could wish for in terms of co-workers and I work in a technical field so these are engineering school graduates. Again with the unsolicited emotional menstruation about the election and vote count, about their feelings of emotional vulnerability over it and how close their mental health was to the precipice. What pu$$ies!

    There will not be another “white nationalist” candidate after Trump, but given how there is no intra-white solidarity I’m OK with that now. Remember that Oregon and Washington were, yet again, not even in play this election despite 80% white demographics. Remember that Minnesota, despite having its nice main metropolis city looted and burned by the forces of BLM, did not vote Trump. Remember that Virginia is now blue thanks to the influx of white middle class professionals thanks to Dubya turning its northern suburbs into Invade the World Inc. company towns, and that North Carolina and even Arizona are now purple thanks to the infestation of thousands of “Californians”.

    Let it hearten you the polls were dead wrong again. Let it hearten you that this election was basically a tie. Let it hearten you that Trump got a bigger slice of the black vote than any GOP candidate in memory despite, objectively, taking the least sh!t from blacks of any Republican President in memory (remember it was Popi Bush who pioneered the wonderful precedent of double jeopardy trials by bringing up the Rodney King cops on civil rights charges). Let it hearten you that a very large segment of the white population is perfectly fine with being vilified and having their heritage dismantled so long as the great white mind control device (TV) assures them this is right and proper (the outcome is still bad, but if so many of its victims don’t care, doesn’t that take the weight off a bit?)

    Most of all, though, Trump taught me to be a better man- don’t get disheartened, don’t worry too much about tomorrow or outcomes you can’t control right now, keep fighting for yourself and what you believe in no matter the odds.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Joe Stalin, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @Ben tillman, @nebulafox

    Trump did not lose significant support among white men.

    • Thanks: Abe
  199. Steve, my old friend, please explain how the betting markets can be relevant to predicting the outcomee of US elections starting please with an explanation of the legality of Americans betting on elections and how much of it is done. I was smugly thinking that U had done well with my four bets on Biden at 1.57, a later one at 1.50 and a final modest act of funk laying off on Trump at 2.75. That was all, lazily, on Sportsbet . (In past years, every few years, I have used Betfair and others also, winning nearly always because completely unsentimental, including that the PM of my own party would lose not only the 2007 election but his own seat, also on Obama and just twice on sporting events: Australia to beat India and England at cricket in particular matches). Now I am shocked to read that betting on elections is almost unknown in America, apart I gather, from Predictit which is unknown to me. So…… tell us about the betting scene and its predictive value while I consider what to do with my obviously inadequate winnings which, amazingly, Sportsbet promised to pay out on on 4th November while promising still to pay out of Trump won!

  200. @Abe
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Achmed, I totally agree about TV! I stopped watching it completely thanks to Trump. During the 2016 Election, when media gaslighting was still somewhat effective on me, I was stressing what a trainwreck the whole Trump campaign was shaping up to be. Sacking your campaign manager (Manafort) in the middle of the election? Who ever heard of that? Running such a ramshackle, second-rate nomination convention where all the star power, such as it was, had to be provided by Scott Baio? How could Trump not get trounced in the general election! How could Hillary not fail to win 400 electoral votes and flip both houses of Congress? But- Trump won! Despite being outspent 4-1; despite not having Bruce Springsteen and John Bon Jovi staging fabulous concerts on his behalf; despite assorted swamp creature saboteurs and FBI informants riddling his campaign!

    Thanks to Trump’s demonstration of what a reality distortion mechanism TV “news” is I shut it off and have never looked back. One example of the salubrious benefits- I know of Greta Thurnberg yet have never heard her voice. That means the hours and days I would have otherwise wasted hating Greta Thurnberg before the media dropped her and foisted upon us some new astroturfed “change agent” darling were mine and mine to enjoy. The irony is that the journo-list 24/7 anti-Trump disinformation and demoralization campaign seems to have barely effected Trump-lovers while driving Trump haters to the mental edge.

    Regarding Mrs. Abe, yes, we have (young-ish) kids. And to reframe some of your question- what does Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the babe with politics to the right of Antonin Scalia who shoots an assault rifle for fun in a stars-n-stripes bikini all have in common? None of them [email protected] exist! Mrs. Abe is a good, normal, feminine woman with immense nurturing instincts for both children and animals whose mind was fried by the MSM ever since the broadcast of those AXIS HOLLYWOOD tapes. I find the idea of having a political litmus test for your lover or spouse repugnant and freakish and would not relish the thought of being Mr. Laura Ingrham or even Mr. Amy Coney Barret who (despite seeming to be an amazing individual) has a crazy look in her eyes (a friend of mine, who along with his wife is involved in Catholic family doctrine activism, is married to basically a ACB clone and he says she is both crazy and quite difficult to live with).

    Again, lots of good women with exactly the sort of values and personalities one wants in a wife and mother turned into rapid Trump-haters by MSM couvade rape brainwash. On a personal level- and happy to provide such husband game advice- if you want your wife to fold faster than the French Army and you have adolescent kids, do it by turning it into her against the rest of the family. Women are naturally social attuned (burp! conformist) creatures who are terrified of being out of step with the group. A couple weeks ago I told my wife she needed to knock off this 24/7 politics/CNN rage-ahol sh!t because even our 11 year old now thought she was crazy and you should have seen the look on her face! It was like I had just slapped her- it was the proverbial fragile minority/point-to-the-part-on-the-doll-they-microagressed-on “it felt like a punch to the gut” look!

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Achmed E. Newman

    I just cannot understand people who would disown family or spouses or friends over politics. It is something that 99 percent of Americans have no say in, anyhow. More like pro-sports than anything impactful.

    • Agree: Abe
  201. @Abe
    @Jack D


    You are right about the 24/7 psychological warfare. Ironically, this worked better on suburban whites who are more tuned into the major media and more sensitive about their neighbor’s opinions. Working class whites already know that our ruling class despises them so that anything that the ruling class pushes just makes them more likely to do the opposite, to the extent that they follow the line of the editorial page of the NY Times at all, which is not much.
     
    This was the P$SSY-WHIPPED election. Trump lost significant support among white men. Based on (yes, anecdotal) information I’m betting it was middle class and white collar professional white men and they were arm-twisted into doing so by their wives. Speaking personally I had to (no joke) steam open my ballot and alter it for Trump after voting Biden in front of my wife. 24/7 media gaslighting literally turned her insane- at least 10 hours each day of CNN/MSNBC rage-ahol (she’s a honemaker) every day for the last 4 years (no exaggeration on any of these stats). She threatened separation if I voted for Trump again which, even if only a bluff, would have created another 4 years of domestic turmoil regardless of who won.

    And yet- the self-emasculation of so many men I know was pathetic. In 2018 I visited relatives- kind, sweet, intelligent people under normal circumstances, yet the vulture-like glean in their eyes as they followed every tune of the Mueller investigation as it wended its way through the public colon! Ah ha!- they’ve subpoena’d Trump’s accountant- this will finally reveal the evidence to take him down!

    My alumni volunteer work at the Best University on Earth(TM) this week has gotten me many unsolicitedly TMI email replies from “male” alumni about how they’ve been too busy to reply to our drive because they’ve been glued to their screens watching the counts with light alcohol beverages in-hand to regulate their fragile emotional states. What pu$$ies!

    I was on calls this week with colleagues- again, the nicest, smartest, sweetest guys you could wish for in terms of co-workers and I work in a technical field so these are engineering school graduates. Again with the unsolicited emotional menstruation about the election and vote count, about their feelings of emotional vulnerability over it and how close their mental health was to the precipice. What pu$$ies!

    There will not be another “white nationalist” candidate after Trump, but given how there is no intra-white solidarity I’m OK with that now. Remember that Oregon and Washington were, yet again, not even in play this election despite 80% white demographics. Remember that Minnesota, despite having its nice main metropolis city looted and burned by the forces of BLM, did not vote Trump. Remember that Virginia is now blue thanks to the influx of white middle class professionals thanks to Dubya turning its northern suburbs into Invade the World Inc. company towns, and that North Carolina and even Arizona are now purple thanks to the infestation of thousands of “Californians”.

    Let it hearten you the polls were dead wrong again. Let it hearten you that this election was basically a tie. Let it hearten you that Trump got a bigger slice of the black vote than any GOP candidate in memory despite, objectively, taking the least sh!t from blacks of any Republican President in memory (remember it was Popi Bush who pioneered the wonderful precedent of double jeopardy trials by bringing up the Rodney King cops on civil rights charges). Let it hearten you that a very large segment of the white population is perfectly fine with being vilified and having their heritage dismantled so long as the great white mind control device (TV) assures them this is right and proper (the outcome is still bad, but if so many of its victims don’t care, doesn’t that take the weight off a bit?)

    Most of all, though, Trump taught me to be a better man- don’t get disheartened, don’t worry too much about tomorrow or outcomes you can’t control right now, keep fighting for yourself and what you believe in no matter the odds.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Joe Stalin, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @Ben tillman, @nebulafox

    One relative who is normally liberal but sane got very pissy when I shared a clip of Beavis and Butthead laughing and I compared them to Biden and Trump. Apparently mocking the whole situation for the sick, sad joke it is (two corrupt, senile septuagenerians competing for nuclear access codes) is Immoral.

    I am beginning to regret quitting alcohol cold turkey every time my right and left wing relatives argue. Thank God they never would turn theie backs on each other though. My family is far from a paragon of virtue at times, but damn if we do not stick together.

    • Replies: @Abe
    @nebulafox


    (two corrupt, senile septuagenerians competing for nuclear access codes)
     
    Trump may be the most pacific President since the end of WWII. Trump is certainly the only President who has had people working directly for him become conscientious objectors on account of not being war-hungry enough.

    Replies: @nebulafox

  202. @nebulafox
    @Abe

    One relative who is normally liberal but sane got very pissy when I shared a clip of Beavis and Butthead laughing and I compared them to Biden and Trump. Apparently mocking the whole situation for the sick, sad joke it is (two corrupt, senile septuagenerians competing for nuclear access codes) is Immoral.

    I am beginning to regret quitting alcohol cold turkey every time my right and left wing relatives argue. Thank God they never would turn theie backs on each other though. My family is far from a paragon of virtue at times, but damn if we do not stick together.

    Replies: @Abe

    (two corrupt, senile septuagenerians competing for nuclear access codes)

    Trump may be the most pacific President since the end of WWII. Trump is certainly the only President who has had people working directly for him become conscientious objectors on account of not being war-hungry enough.

    • Disagree: GazaPlanet
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Abe

    I wouldn't call him pacifistic, exactly, but it's very clear that like Obama before him, his heart just was not into compulsive intervention for the sake of it. Trump had his flaws (not ending Afghanistan was inexcuable), but on the whole, it could have neen way worse. Above all finally accepting the reality of the relative strength of Russia vs. China was a way overdue correction that is about to be partially reversed. Taking on both simultaneously is deeply stupid, but that seems to be the plan...

    Biden did show realist flashes against the Clinton camp during his stint as VP, to be fair, but between his current mental health and the complete derangement of Democratic ideology, I don't that will matter much as all the Swampmen flock to the White House more openly. Furthermore, like a lot of failing elites, it would seem as though ours are warming to the idea on external adventures to distract the populace from their internal popularity. That never ends well.

    There's no greater divergence between America's ruling class and its people than foreign policy, IMO.

    As for the wife, sorry to hear that, but your ability to seperate political views from human worth speaks well of you, as a man.

  203. @James B. Shearer
    I doubt there was enough fraud to affect the result. But if there was it demonstrates in a way how poor Trump was at actually governing since he had 4 years to make fraud more difficult and basically did nothing.

    Replies: @Wielgus, @Coemgen

    Trump got elected as President of the U.S. as an anti-Globalist. That is a laurel that he can rest on for the rest of eternity.

    You go ahead and pettifog.

    I hope some day you at last get your utopian leader and, I hope you get it good and hard.

  204. @Abe
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Achmed, I totally agree about TV! I stopped watching it completely thanks to Trump. During the 2016 Election, when media gaslighting was still somewhat effective on me, I was stressing what a trainwreck the whole Trump campaign was shaping up to be. Sacking your campaign manager (Manafort) in the middle of the election? Who ever heard of that? Running such a ramshackle, second-rate nomination convention where all the star power, such as it was, had to be provided by Scott Baio? How could Trump not get trounced in the general election! How could Hillary not fail to win 400 electoral votes and flip both houses of Congress? But- Trump won! Despite being outspent 4-1; despite not having Bruce Springsteen and John Bon Jovi staging fabulous concerts on his behalf; despite assorted swamp creature saboteurs and FBI informants riddling his campaign!

    Thanks to Trump’s demonstration of what a reality distortion mechanism TV “news” is I shut it off and have never looked back. One example of the salubrious benefits- I know of Greta Thurnberg yet have never heard her voice. That means the hours and days I would have otherwise wasted hating Greta Thurnberg before the media dropped her and foisted upon us some new astroturfed “change agent” darling were mine and mine to enjoy. The irony is that the journo-list 24/7 anti-Trump disinformation and demoralization campaign seems to have barely effected Trump-lovers while driving Trump haters to the mental edge.

    Regarding Mrs. Abe, yes, we have (young-ish) kids. And to reframe some of your question- what does Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the babe with politics to the right of Antonin Scalia who shoots an assault rifle for fun in a stars-n-stripes bikini all have in common? None of them [email protected] exist! Mrs. Abe is a good, normal, feminine woman with immense nurturing instincts for both children and animals whose mind was fried by the MSM ever since the broadcast of those AXIS HOLLYWOOD tapes. I find the idea of having a political litmus test for your lover or spouse repugnant and freakish and would not relish the thought of being Mr. Laura Ingrham or even Mr. Amy Coney Barret who (despite seeming to be an amazing individual) has a crazy look in her eyes (a friend of mine, who along with his wife is involved in Catholic family doctrine activism, is married to basically a ACB clone and he says she is both crazy and quite difficult to live with).

    Again, lots of good women with exactly the sort of values and personalities one wants in a wife and mother turned into rapid Trump-haters by MSM couvade rape brainwash. On a personal level- and happy to provide such husband game advice- if you want your wife to fold faster than the French Army and you have adolescent kids, do it by turning it into her against the rest of the family. Women are naturally social attuned (burp! conformist) creatures who are terrified of being out of step with the group. A couple weeks ago I told my wife she needed to knock off this 24/7 politics/CNN rage-ahol sh!t because even our 11 year old now thought she was crazy and you should have seen the look on her face! It was like I had just slapped her- it was the proverbial fragile minority/point-to-the-part-on-the-doll-they-microagressed-on “it felt like a punch to the gut” look!

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Achmed E. Newman

    Mr. Abe, thanks for the long replies, both of them. You explained your position quite well. I had just thought, from what you wrote earlier, that it was a bad situation for you. The fact that you had to sneak about to get your vote in* is something that I am very glad to not have to worry about.

    We have a close relative who is pretty lefty in some ways, though still very conservative socially and family-wise as we all are. Just to put it into one word: Unitarian Church. (OK, that’s 2 words, sorry.) That changes nothing, as we make an effort not to talk politics. I would hope also not to have to worry about politics were I younger and had met someone I loved. It just works out better when the women stay out of politics. The commenter above about the Moslem way describes something way overboard, but their conservatism in sex roles has a lot to say for it.

    Let me go back to my 1st paragraph, as I wrote something 6 months ago about my trying my best to keep not lying at all to my wife when we were at odds about the Kung Flu. I finally understood that there was stuff she could not hear. I couldn’t be totally honest anymore, but what I do is just don’t mention stuff, such as when my boy and I go get a hot dog at the little restaurant (she was extremely worried about any food that wasn’t from the store). I had to tell my kid, though, if she asks we’ve got to be honest, and take the freak-out for a while. What a way to have to teach a kid young! Luckily she has really mellowed out on this**.

    It’s too bad Mrs. Abe did not quit the TV when you did. I think you’d have been more on the same page.

    I enjoyed the discussion so far. Thanks, Mr. Abe.

    .

    * Which got me wondering, BTW, and I hate to say this, but wouldn’t I, as a ballot-checker/vote-counter possibly toss yours after I had seen the tampering? How did you change it in a way that the mailman, were he a crooked vote-stealer could not have or in a way that shouldn’t get it a lot of scrutiny?

    ** It helps a whole lot, for everyone, not just her, that nobody knows anyone sick from the COVID, nor has heard of anyone who has died from it, in all this time. Commandeered Fed-Ex vans are not coming around the neighborhood requesting over the P/A for people to “bring outcher dead!”. After a while, people can’t keep that hysteria going.

    • Thanks: Abe
    • Replies: @Abe
    @Achmed E. Newman


    * Which got me wondering, BTW, and I hate to say this, but wouldn’t I, as a ballot-checker/vote-counter possibly toss yours after I had seen the tampering? How did you change it in a way that the mailman, were he a crooked vote-stealer could not have or in a way that shouldn’t get it a lot of scrutiny?
     
    The ballot had exact instructions for how to change your selection in case of a mistake. At the very least it would have gotten tossed and not counted for the other side.

    Let me go back to my 1st paragraph, as I wrote something 6 months ago about my trying my best to keep not lying at all to my wife when we were at odds about the Kung Flu. I finally understood that there was stuff she could not hear.
     
    One thing I’ve learned is to compromise no matter how “right” you think you are. Deferring to your wife on matters of the children’s education and health, at least when there is no question of a catastrophic mistake being made, is often a wise course.

    I enjoyed the discussion so far. Thanks, Mr. Abe.
     
    Likewise!
  205. It also requires a complicit press and internet censorship.

    America’s controlled media certainly checks the boxes!

    The Democratic cheating is perennial, bigger than ever this year, it’s irrelevant to talk about white men turned off by Trumpvanka.

    Trump was a WOMAN WORSHIPPER. “Suburban women, please like me?”

    The man is a disgrace.

  206. @Anonymous
    Trump is certainly going to prison. (Apparently his tax returns aren't in order). The question is whether they have the stones to grab him while he's still in the White House.

    Replies: @Getaclue

    Garbage. Trump has been audited numerous times and always comes up clean — and is being audited now — the NYSlimes even finally had to admit this is a fact. His taxes are prepared by pros and no doubt he has zero input on them just like basically all billionaires and big earners — your statements are just gibberish — you must have no finances and never had to hire an accountant to post such drivel.

  207. Here’s the sort of diagnostic tool a financial statement auditor would use to detect fraud.

    https://gnews.org/534248/

  208. Wow I wonder if there were ever any coordinated or simulated scenarios wherein political actors engaged in planning of electoral fraud and their responses if caught out?

    It’s not as if such a group had a name like Transition Integrity Project.

    Would be really crazy if such a group of actors put out a document stating that:

    President Trump may expand the margin of contestation primarily by contesting the legality of votes cast (e.g., by alleging fraudulent mail-in ballots, voting by ineligible voters, etc.).

    and

    At the same time, the scenario exercises also revealed that for many Democrats and key Democratic constituencies, this election represents an existential crisis, the last chance to stop a rapid and potentially irreversible US decline into authoritarianism and unbridled nativism

    thereby justifying “by any means necessary” approaches that the media could cover up and gaslight the rest of the population into believing it. It’s not as if the media is using predictive programming to psyop people into believing a “red mirage” is a real phenomenon that they somehow were able to accurately predict despite polls being off massively.

    I couldn’t imagine such an imaginary group existing! Imagine if it had partisan people with fictional names like Bill Kristol, Donna Brazile, or John Podesta.

    Truly crazy to even imagine something so untethered from reality.

  209. @James Forrestal
    @Thoughts


    No one with half a brain could think Joe was elected honestly

    You do not lose Texas, Florida, and Ohio and win Penn
     
    Seems unlikely. Along the same lines -- Bellwether counties 1956-2020:


    https://i.postimg.cc/FzYW9Zv3/Bellwethers-Results-2020.jpg

    Replies: @res

    Thanks. This looks like the source. Do you know of anywhere that has more detail of this? In particular, how were the counties selected? Because Darlington, SC and Calhoun, SC with 5 misses out of 16 elections seem like odd choices.

    Might be interesting to reproduce that analysis with the 11 counties in this article.
    https://cookpolitical.com/analysis/national/national-politics/10-bellwether-counties-show-how-trump-serious-trouble

    BTW, this was an interesting point from that article. Who could have guessed which states would have interesting patterns of voting and choices of news networks to call or not?

    To win the White House, Mr. Biden will need to flip some combination of the 10 states Mr. Trump carried by less than 10 points in 2016 (in ascending order of margin): Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Florida, Arizona, North Carolina, Georgia, Ohio, Texas and Iowa. Mr. Biden has several paths to victory, and the first three states alone, in addition to every state won by Hillary Clinton, would be enough to put him into the Oval Office.

    Conversely, Mr. Trump would likely need to win at least eight of those 10 states for a second term. A look at these bellwethers — all either tossups or leaning toward Mr. Biden — makes clear that Mr. Trump is in serious trouble.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
    @res


    This looks like the source.
     
    Yeah, I got it from someone on Twitter -- may well have been that guy.

    Do you know of anywhere that has more detail of this? In particular, how were the counties selected? Because Darlington, SC and Calhoun, SC with 5 misses out of 16 elections seem like odd choices.
     
    .

    From the replies to that tweet:

    https://twitter.com/quackocracy/status/1325228196233506816

    Note that those misses are concentrated in the earlier years -- prior to 2020, Calhoun's last miss was 1980, Darlington has only 1 miss since 1980. And if you look at wikipedia article, it appears that they're using 1980 as the baseline.

    Here's a longer list that shows 14 out of 23 bellwether counties going for Trump*:

    https://mustreadalaska.com/how-could-the-bellwether-counties-get-it-so-wrong/

    *Westmoreland County, VA and Kent County, DE show as "not posted" in this article -- they both went for Biden.

    Presumably over the longer term they drop counties from the bellwether list that "get worse" at predicting the outcome, and add ones that "get better" -- so are they really measuring anything useful, or just imposing a narrative onto random data, like the "Hot Hand" fallacy in sports?

    Except it looks as if the "hot hand" is real. So there's that...

    Looks like some fairly energetic edit wars going on on that wiki page right now. This was kind of interesting, too -- if you go to the "talk" tab for that page, you get this:

    https://i.postimg.cc/T10K7Mkm/Bellwether-Counties-Wikipedia-Special-Election-Status.png

    Apparently anything election-related is targeted for, uh, "quality improvement." Just "promoting democracy," you know...
  210. @Jack D
    Unfortunately, the biggest fraud is the one that is (almost) legal. Mail voting is a Democrat dream because it does away with the secret ballot and allows them to harvest votes from people who are usually unwilling to drag their asses to the polls. Trump was checkmated from the beginning when Dem controlled states allowed mail voting "due to Covid". Without mail voting, Trump would have won. And now that we know that "mail voting works" we are never getting rid of it, even after Covid.

    Replies: @utu, @Rex Little

    it does away with the secret ballot and allows them to harvest votes from people who are usually unwilling to drag their asses to the polls.

    This! I voted by mail by signing and sealing the envelope and dropping it in a mailbox, but I could just as easily have signed the envelope, left the ballot blank and sold both to a vote harvester. No way anyone could distinguish it from an honest ballot.

    If we’re going to allow voting by mail, the least we should require is that the ballots be given in person to a postal clerk who must check the signature against a photo ID.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  211. @Reg Cæsar
    @ic1000



    > I also think it’s likely that Biden has enough honest votes to win.

     

    Agree.

     

    If cheating occurred, that's irrelevant, isn't it? Only one of the tomatoes in your stew has botulism. Would you eat it?

    Replies: @megabar

    > If cheating occurred, that’s irrelevant, isn’t it?

    Yes and no. First, cheaters should be punished, and for this crime, severely so.

    Next, any actual cheating justifies further investigation into finding out if it’s reasonable to conclude that all cheating votes have been purged. If so, the election stands with the legal votes counted. If not, you have no choice but to re-vote.

    In you analogy, if you were _convinced_ the stew was now safe, and it would be costly to find other food, you’d eat it. Yes, it’s a bit strained because the analogy is biased towards not eating it.

  212. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Abe

    Mr. Abe, thanks for the long replies, both of them. You explained your position quite well. I had just thought, from what you wrote earlier, that it was a bad situation for you. The fact that you had to sneak about to get your vote in* is something that I am very glad to not have to worry about.

    We have a close relative who is pretty lefty in some ways, though still very conservative socially and family-wise as we all are. Just to put it into one word: Unitarian Church. (OK, that's 2 words, sorry.) That changes nothing, as we make an effort not to talk politics. I would hope also not to have to worry about politics were I younger and had met someone I loved. It just works out better when the women stay out of politics. The commenter above about the Moslem way describes something way overboard, but their conservatism in sex roles has a lot to say for it.

    Let me go back to my 1st paragraph, as I wrote something 6 months ago about my trying my best to keep not lying at all to my wife when we were at odds about the Kung Flu. I finally understood that there was stuff she could not hear. I couldn't be totally honest anymore, but what I do is just don't mention stuff, such as when my boy and I go get a hot dog at the little restaurant (she was extremely worried about any food that wasn't from the store). I had to tell my kid, though, if she asks we've got to be honest, and take the freak-out for a while. What a way to have to teach a kid young! Luckily she has really mellowed out on this**.

    It's too bad Mrs. Abe did not quit the TV when you did. I think you'd have been more on the same page.

    I enjoyed the discussion so far. Thanks, Mr. Abe.

    .


    * Which got me wondering, BTW, and I hate to say this, but wouldn't I, as a ballot-checker/vote-counter possibly toss yours after I had seen the tampering? How did you change it in a way that the mailman, were he a crooked vote-stealer could not have or in a way that shouldn't get it a lot of scrutiny?

    ** It helps a whole lot, for everyone, not just her, that nobody knows anyone sick from the COVID, nor has heard of anyone who has died from it, in all this time. Commandeered Fed-Ex vans are not coming around the neighborhood requesting over the P/A for people to "bring outcher dead!". After a while, people can't keep that hysteria going.

    Replies: @Abe

    * Which got me wondering, BTW, and I hate to say this, but wouldn’t I, as a ballot-checker/vote-counter possibly toss yours after I had seen the tampering? How did you change it in a way that the mailman, were he a crooked vote-stealer could not have or in a way that shouldn’t get it a lot of scrutiny?

    The ballot had exact instructions for how to change your selection in case of a mistake. At the very least it would have gotten tossed and not counted for the other side.

    Let me go back to my 1st paragraph, as I wrote something 6 months ago about my trying my best to keep not lying at all to my wife when we were at odds about the Kung Flu. I finally understood that there was stuff she could not hear.

    One thing I’ve learned is to compromise no matter how “right” you think you are. Deferring to your wife on matters of the children’s education and health, at least when there is no question of a catastrophic mistake being made, is often a wise course.

    I enjoyed the discussion so far. Thanks, Mr. Abe.

    Likewise!

  213. @res
    @Altai


    Trump lost his share among white males
     
    Everybody seems to be taking that exit poll result as an article of faith. How much good evidence is there that this is really true?

    turnout among non-whites was massively greater
     
    Than when Obama ran?! Does that make sense?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Corn, @Tlotsi

    The media always lies, and exit polls are no exception.

  214. @Abe
    @nebulafox


    (two corrupt, senile septuagenerians competing for nuclear access codes)
     
    Trump may be the most pacific President since the end of WWII. Trump is certainly the only President who has had people working directly for him become conscientious objectors on account of not being war-hungry enough.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    I wouldn’t call him pacifistic, exactly, but it’s very clear that like Obama before him, his heart just was not into compulsive intervention for the sake of it. Trump had his flaws (not ending Afghanistan was inexcuable), but on the whole, it could have neen way worse. Above all finally accepting the reality of the relative strength of Russia vs. China was a way overdue correction that is about to be partially reversed. Taking on both simultaneously is deeply stupid, but that seems to be the plan…

    Biden did show realist flashes against the Clinton camp during his stint as VP, to be fair, but between his current mental health and the complete derangement of Democratic ideology, I don’t that will matter much as all the Swampmen flock to the White House more openly. Furthermore, like a lot of failing elites, it would seem as though ours are warming to the idea on external adventures to distract the populace from their internal popularity. That never ends well.

    There’s no greater divergence between America’s ruling class and its people than foreign policy, IMO.

    As for the wife, sorry to hear that, but your ability to seperate political views from human worth speaks well of you, as a man.

    • Thanks: Abe
  215. https://redstate.com/scotthounsell/2020/11/09/excuse-me-while-i-call-bs-in-wisconsin-n276884

    So Biden underperformed in Wisconsin except for five counties, where he got improbable improvements, just like Georgia.

  216. @res
    @James Forrestal

    Thanks. This looks like the source. Do you know of anywhere that has more detail of this? In particular, how were the counties selected? Because Darlington, SC and Calhoun, SC with 5 misses out of 16 elections seem like odd choices.

    https://twitter.com/quackocracy/status/1325219237003218947

    Might be interesting to reproduce that analysis with the 11 counties in this article.
    https://cookpolitical.com/analysis/national/national-politics/10-bellwether-counties-show-how-trump-serious-trouble

    BTW, this was an interesting point from that article. Who could have guessed which states would have interesting patterns of voting and choices of news networks to call or not?


    To win the White House, Mr. Biden will need to flip some combination of the 10 states Mr. Trump carried by less than 10 points in 2016 (in ascending order of margin): Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Florida, Arizona, North Carolina, Georgia, Ohio, Texas and Iowa. Mr. Biden has several paths to victory, and the first three states alone, in addition to every state won by Hillary Clinton, would be enough to put him into the Oval Office.

    Conversely, Mr. Trump would likely need to win at least eight of those 10 states for a second term. A look at these bellwethers — all either tossups or leaning toward Mr. Biden — makes clear that Mr. Trump is in serious trouble.
     

    Replies: @James Forrestal

    This looks like the source.

    Yeah, I got it from someone on Twitter — may well have been that guy.

    Do you know of anywhere that has more detail of this? In particular, how were the counties selected? Because Darlington, SC and Calhoun, SC with 5 misses out of 16 elections seem like odd choices.

    .

    From the replies to that tweet:

    Note that those misses are concentrated in the earlier years — prior to 2020, Calhoun’s last miss was 1980, Darlington has only 1 miss since 1980. And if you look at wikipedia article, it appears that they’re using 1980 as the baseline.

    Here’s a longer list that shows 14 out of 23 bellwether counties going for Trump*:

    https://mustreadalaska.com/how-could-the-bellwether-counties-get-it-so-wrong/

    *Westmoreland County, VA and Kent County, DE show as “not posted” in this article — they both went for Biden.

    Presumably over the longer term they drop counties from the bellwether list that “get worse” at predicting the outcome, and add ones that “get better” — so are they really measuring anything useful, or just imposing a narrative onto random data, like the “Hot Hand” fallacy in sports?

    Except it looks as if the “hot hand” is real. So there’s that

    Looks like some fairly energetic edit wars going on on that wiki page right now. This was kind of interesting, too — if you go to the “talk” tab for that page, you get this:

    Apparently anything election-related is targeted for, uh, “quality improvement.” Just “promoting democracy,” you know…

  217. “But, for some reason, PBS doesn’t run many documentaries celebrating the long slow struggle by honest suburban Republican voters to escape from their oppression by cheating urban Democrats, so I’m unfamiliar with the details.”

    Thank you for this one.

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