The Unz Review: An Alternative Media Selection
A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media
 TeasersiSteve Blog
NYT: Trump Is Wrong! Crime Is Down! (Except for Homicides, Which Are Up 28%)
Email This Page to Someone

 Remember My Information



=>

Bookmark Toggle AllToCAdd to LibraryRemove from Library • BShow CommentNext New CommentNext New ReplyRead More
ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
AgreeDisagreeThanksLOLTroll
These buttons register your public Agreement, Disagreement, Thanks, LOL, or Troll with the selected comment. They are ONLY available to recent, frequent commenters who have saved their Name+Email using the 'Remember My Information' checkbox, and may also ONLY be used three times during any eight hour period.
Ignore Commenter Follow Commenter
Search Text Case Sensitive  Exact Words  Include Comments
List of Bookmarks

From the New York Times’ Upshot section:

The Pandemic Has Hindered Many of the Best Ideas for Reducing Violence
By Emily Badger and Quoctrung Bui Oct. 6, 2020

Reported crime of nearly every kind has declined this year amid the pandemic. The exception to that has been stark and puzzling: Shootings and homicides are up in cities around the country, perplexing experts who normally expect these patterns to trend together.

Source: David Abrams, citycrimestats.com

Eyeballing this NYT graph, it sure looks to me like the homicide rate across 37 cities has gone up since George Floyd’s death on Memorial Day by between one-fourth and one-third. Indeed, the NYT’s Jeff Asher reported recently than in a sample of 49 cities, murders were up 28% year-to-date.

The pandemic appears irrelevant to the homicide rate: 2020’s homicide rate was running a little higher back in the winter and stayed a little higher in the spring during the lockdowns and then went through the roof during The Summer of Peaceful Protests (and Not Quite So Peaceful Shootings). (Note that the homicide rate is a 4-week moving average.)

The president and others have blamed protests and unrest, the changing tactics of police, and even the partisan politics of mayors. But at least part of the puzzle may lie in sources that are harder to see (and politicize): The pandemic has frayed all kinds of institutions and infrastructure that hold communities together, that watch over streets, that mediate conflicts, that simply give young people something to do.

Schools, libraries, recreation centers and public pools have closed. Nonprofits, churches and sports leagues have scaled back. Mentors, social workers and counselors have been hampered by social distancing.

I thought one of the more clever explanations of why shootings have doubled in New York City this year is that with few riding the subways, people in bad neighborhoods had to hang around with their bad neighbors rather than go off to some nice neighborhood to get away from their not nice neighbors. Not surprisingly, in some neighborhoods, the more time people spend with each other, the more they shoot each other.

And programs devised to reduce gun violence — and that have proved effective in studies — have been upended by the pandemic. Summer jobs programs were cut this year. Violence intervention workers were barred from hospitals. Group behavioral therapy programs meant to be intimate and in-person have moved, often haltingly, online.

Perhaps. Or it could be that the bigger cause for all the black killings blacks since May 25 is that the media, led by the New York Times, spent the summer telling blacks they should be ANGRY.

And they listened.

Without jobs, activities or support, many people have also been stuck at home in neighborhoods with histories of violence and continuing conflicts.

It’s all that history that is driving people to shoot each other.

… It’s impossible to say how much this dynamic has contributed to violence this year. Crime is hard to explain even in normal times. Some of the trends this year are relatively straightforward: Residential robberies declined with people spending more time at home. Shoplifting declined when businesses closed. Stolen cars increased in some cities as novice delivery drivers started leaving their running cars in the road.

Or, vehicle theft is the best quantified crime besides murder because victims have an incentive to report it to the police for insurance purposes, whereas somebody stealing an Amazon package off your porch is the kind of thing you might have gotten worked up over in 2019 enough to report to the police but in 2020, everybody is slacking.

But violence is harder to grapple with. And that is especially true this year because it diverges so drastically from other crime.

Or maybe dead bodies get counted more diligently than minor crimes?

“Any theory that’s really going to be convincing has to explain this unusual pattern,” said David Abrams, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania law school who has been tracking crime trends this year.

The behavior of the police has certainly changed. Early in the spring, officers pulled back on their interactions amid social distancing. Later in the spring and summer they faced mass protests — and may have reacted to those protests with slowdowns. But Mr. Abrams said the effect of any policing changes wouldn’t be limited to homicides and shootings.

The rise in violence in cities around the country coincided in late May and early June with mass protests after the death of George Floyd in police custody. But that’s not necessarily because of a police pullback, or because the protests themselves led to violence (although looting did create an abrupt spike in nonresidential burglaries), said Richard Rosenfeld, a criminologist at the University of Missouri-St. Louis.

Rosenfeld was much quoted in 2015 in various debunkings of the Ferguson Effect, for his Not Ferguson Effect:

He has looked at a similar rise in violence around the protests against police brutality in 2015. And he suspects that police legitimacy deteriorates in these moments, even in neighborhoods where trust in law enforcement is already low.

“When confidence in the police wanes and drops sufficiently, then one gets a rise in so-called street justice, in people taking matters into their own hands to settle disputes,” Mr. Rosenfeld said. “That contributes to a rise in violence.”

Viewed that way, the police themselves are another institution that’s fraying, at a time when alternative mediators and authority figures are especially absent.

The media’s campaign of blood libels against the police has had nothing to do with all subsequent murders.

Like I’ve been pointing out, a lot of the motivation behind Defund the Police was that municipalities are going broke, so non-police government workers have been hoping to raid police budgets to preserve their own pay. It’s a perfectly logical reaction. Just too bad about all the dead bodies.

 
Hide 88 CommentsLeave a Comment
Commenters to Ignore...to FollowEndorsed Only
Trim Comments?
  1. “It’s all that history that is driving people to shoot each other.”

    • Agree: donut
    • Thanks: Paul Jolliffe
    • Replies: @CJ
    @Cortes

    Great job by both actors in that clip.

  2. perplexing experts who normally expect these patterns to trend together.

    WWBD: What will Biden do? He always listens to experts.

    At least, something is being done against home-defense crime and for the unalienable right of degenerate Black-Fa hordes to invade:

    St. Louis couple who brandished guns at BLM protesters indicted by grand jury on weapons, evidence-tampering charges

    Meanwhile the tantrum-throwing over the Presidential Covid seems to be ongoing. The spectacle of a crawler schoolkid who does everything the teacher tells him to do who discovers you may also pass the exam without having bothered about all the homework bullshit.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @El Dato


    St. Louis couple who brandished guns at BLM protesters indicted by grand jury on weapons, evidence-tampering charges
     
    Prosecutorial evidence tampering magically transformed into evidence tampering by the defendants. Just when I thought I'd seen everything.

    (The pistol used by the woman was one that was already fixed to be unfireable before the incident they were indicted for. This was for safety reasons when it was used as a courtroom exhibit. An Assistant Circuit Attorney ordered the ballistics lab to fix it so it could be fired in ballistics tests to establish that it was a real threat to the mob she pointed it at. Apparently the prosecution convinced the grand jury that the gun must have been operable at the time of the incident and that she and or her husband must have made it inoperable before their attorney surrendered it to the police. Talk about indicting a ham sandwich.)

    Replies: @anon

    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @El Dato

    Their crime experts sure seem to spend a lot of time being 'perplexed' about the simple fact that blacks commit a lot of violent crime.

  3. We deserve everything coming if we do not deal with mainstream journalists.

    • Replies: @Alice in Wonderland
    @J.Ross


    … It’s impossible to say how much this dynamic has contributed to violence this year.
     
    MSM speak for, "We don't want that investigated because we probably won't like and will refuse to accept the answer."
    , @Ragno
    @J.Ross


    We deserve everything coming if we do not deal with mainstream journalists.
     
    My 'agree' button was ghosted, but the statement is true enough that it bears repeating, and more than once.

    We deserve everything coming if we do not deal with mainstream journalists.
  4. Or maybe dead bodies get counted more diligently than minor crimes?

    And shootings are called in by a computer
    https://abc7ny.com/nypd-shotspotter-gunfire-detection/559708/

  5. I’m continually amazed at the assumption that if we just had the libraries, swimming pools, and softball leagues up and running that there’d be fewer murders. All those killers really just want a good book or to swim some laps.

    The Times has a peculiar talent for lapsing into passive voice whenever the subject gets too uncomfortable and close to the inexpedient truth. Police departments are just institutions that “fray”. Don’t ask about who is doing the fraying.

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @John Milton’s Ghost


    The pandemic has frayed all kinds of institutions and infrastructure that hold communities together, that watch over streets, that mediate conflicts, that simply give young people something to do.
     
    Is there any other group of people so incapable of figuring out things "to do" besides murder each other ( and anyone unlucky enough to be in their vicinity when they are in a bad mood)?
  6. Um, guys….

    https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1313663636586496001v

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @JohnnyWalker123

    This too.

    https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1313636287979704326

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    , @R.G. Camara
    @JohnnyWalker123

    lol.

    So the same people who told you Hillary would win in a landslide and Russian Collusion and the D's would take the Senate in 2018 are now telling you this garbage.

    Why do you keep believing them?

    , @Michael S
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Well, if you can't trust MSNBC, who can you trust? Clearly it's all over for the bad orange man.

    , @Thomas
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "Something, something 2016."

    , @bomag
    @JohnnyWalker123

    This too shall pass.

    , @peterike
    @JohnnyWalker123

    That's a complete BS poll, wildly over-spiked with Dems and taken largely in NY and CA. In other words, more media dirty ops. Only a fool believes this stuff anymore.

    , @Mike_from_SGV
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Whether it's 14 or 9 points, the wheels are coming off. People notice weird behavior. Biden is up big even in Arizona.

    , @anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Aren't you the guy who was totally convinced Trump was dead-man-walking with the Coof? Did all your fretting and panic-poasting all over this site change anything, make any kind of diff?

    https://santasperfect.gifts/images/product/Chill-Pill-All-Natural.jpg

    , @eric
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I'm of two minds on this. On one hand, the media-academia-deep state propaganda is working, and they will gain executive power again. On the other hand, they are doing everything they can to energize their voters and discourage their adversaries by biasing the polls.

    At the leaked Google meeting from 2016, where executives discussed the Trump victory, they blatantly discussed what they can do differently to prevent this from happening again. There's more anti-Trump bias in our media, which shows up in reported polls, but perhaps accurate polls as well.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @tyrone
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Have you ever lied to a pollster?……… if not, what the hells wrong with you.

    , @Abe
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Propaganda to justify the ballot majik they intend to pull in the first two weeks of November. No way, after the Democrats proudly wrapping themselves in the burn-loot-murder flag all summer long, is Trump getting less than the rock bottom ~42% support any GOP candidate always gets.

    , @vinteuil
    @JohnnyWalker123

    In the short run, an overwhelming Biden victory would actually be a good thing.

    TPTB will immediately stop funding/supporting the "mostly peaceful" "protests" - so those will quickly dry up.

    Who knows - TPTB might even call off the covid panic, once it's no longer useful in ridding them of this turbulent Trump.

    The long run, of course, is another matter entirely.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Whiskey

  7. Blood on their hands.

  8. @JohnnyWalker123
    Um, guys....

    https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1313663636586496001v

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1313682964102881280

    https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1313210872408530946

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @R.G. Camara, @Michael S, @Thomas, @bomag, @peterike, @Mike_from_SGV, @anon, @eric, @tyrone, @Abe, @vinteuil

    This too.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @JohnnyWalker123

    JW, remember the narrative, they should be stepping over bodies in the corridors leading to the Oval Office. There should be a refrigerated truck parked in the Rose Garden.

  9. @JohnnyWalker123
    Um, guys....

    https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1313663636586496001v

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1313682964102881280

    https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1313210872408530946

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @R.G. Camara, @Michael S, @Thomas, @bomag, @peterike, @Mike_from_SGV, @anon, @eric, @tyrone, @Abe, @vinteuil

    lol.

    So the same people who told you Hillary would win in a landslide and Russian Collusion and the D’s would take the Senate in 2018 are now telling you this garbage.

    Why do you keep believing them?

  10. @JohnnyWalker123
    Um, guys....

    https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1313663636586496001v

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1313682964102881280

    https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1313210872408530946

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @R.G. Camara, @Michael S, @Thomas, @bomag, @peterike, @Mike_from_SGV, @anon, @eric, @tyrone, @Abe, @vinteuil

    Well, if you can’t trust MSNBC, who can you trust? Clearly it’s all over for the bad orange man.

  11. Delusion, disinformation, or both?

  12. Like I’ve been pointing out, a lot of the motivation behind Defund the Police was that municipalities are going broke, so non-police government workers have been hoping to raid police budgets to preserve their own pay. It’s a perfectly logical reaction. Just too bad about all the dead bodies.

    It’ll turn out to be eating the seed corn. It’s not as if cities will just be able to turn the police back on again next year. The cops that can retire or leave will. The ones who will be left will learn how to keep collecting a paycheck doing as little as possible. And word will get out that law enforcement isn’t a career for anyone with options to get into, at least not in a big city. None of this will make getting the tax base back any easier. How long did it take for the NYPD to start making a dent in crime, say, from the depths of the 1980s? About 10-15 years?

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @Thomas

    And word will get out that law enforcement isn’t a career for anyone with options to get into, at least not in a big city.

    Which means that instead of a big city PD getting 5,000 applicants for each opening it'll only get 4,000.

    Replies: @bomag

    , @Paul Jolliffe
    @Thomas

    I’ve got a different (and frankly, more accurate) take- a much, much bigger part of “defund the police” is a Deep State tactic from military/tech companies to replace human cops with robot cops.

    Encouraging public dissatisfaction with local cops through phony BLM incidents is part of sophisticated Psy Op to bring this about.

    It’s been openly discussed and planned for years.

    Just about every tech company does business with the DOD - it is extremely lucrative.

    It’s not a joke and it’s not going away.

    https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2016/07/military-robotics-makers-see-future-armed-police-robots/129769/

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1233171

    Replies: @Thomas

  13. @JohnnyWalker123
    Um, guys....

    https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1313663636586496001v

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1313682964102881280

    https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1313210872408530946

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @R.G. Camara, @Michael S, @Thomas, @bomag, @peterike, @Mike_from_SGV, @anon, @eric, @tyrone, @Abe, @vinteuil

    “Something, something 2016.”

  14. Tales from the front of race-realism: the enlightenment of two Nice White Ladies in 2020. The first was what some call a “Christian wine mom”. I’ve known her for a long time, but we never spoke in any depth about the racial situation. I kept my views, which are partly based on my long experience in Chicago, to myself. This summer, she said she had been summoned for jury duty down there. The deal was that she would hear a basket of cases, one after another. Her voice dropped when she described some of these defendants and the charges, and said that it changed her politics profoundly, where before she just accepted the “equality” bromides we all know.
    Then, I met another, a court reporter who had covered the suburbs before getting jobs downtown. She too said that seeing black criminals and witnesses speaking live transformed her completely from a typical liberal to a solid Trump supporter. She railed against the fat welfare queens and baby daddies, and their ridiculous, self-inflicted plights. At one point, she went into a perfect impression of the loud, flashy ghetto style that shocked even me.
    I took the opportunity to ask “what could I have said or done, when you were the pious liberal, to open your eyes to this reality, what explaining, what recounting, what books or internet or anything could have revealed the truth?” She said “nothing”, and when I pressed on this point, she repeated, forcefully, that there was absolutely nothing on earth that would have brought her to this new understanding if she hadn’t seen it in person in real time.
    So, I came away from these two thinking Don’t waste time trying to persuade anybody. But Do figure out how to get these worlds into collision. If we can do that, the struggle will sooner availeth.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Puremania

    Several years ago, a guy on AmRen said every year he took his kids to the city park full of blacks kids and let them get roughed up a little. Then he'd take them to their nice safe park full of white kids.

    Though in fairness to your two formerly liberal friends, black pathology must be seen to be believed.

  15. Emily Badger strikes again! This time with Mostly Peaceful Homicides.

    somebody stealing an Amazon package off your porch is the kind of thing you might have gotten worked up over in 2019 enough to report to the police but in 2020, everybody is slacking.

    Not to mention that, if your municipality even has police anymore, if you call them they’ll likely say, “Unless it’s a murder or a riot, we don’t do that anymore. And we only do riots with Federal backup.”

    • Agree: Cortes, HammerJack
  16. Emily Badger and Quoctrung Bui

    Emily did the writing, Bui is a graphics guy. Even at the Times, there’s a ‘puzzling’ division of labor.

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Henry's Cat

    It's notable that at the US paper of record the head online interactive graphics guy is foreign and Chinese. Just a very basic coding job an American apparently couldn't be found to do.

  17. Like I’ve been pointing out, a lot of the motivation behind Defund the Police was that municipalities are going broke, so non-police government workers have been hoping to raid police budgets to preserve their own pay. It’s a perfectly logical reaction. Just too bad about all the dead bodies.

    During the pseudo-revolution that took place in New York this summer, there were only two buildings that were covered in antifa, anti-cop graffiti. The Surrogate Court and the Department of Education Headquarters (the old Boss Tweed Courthouse). The Department of Ed. allowed its headquarters to be vandalized by “anarchists” in order to take funds away from a competing bureaucracy.

  18. @Thomas

    Like I’ve been pointing out, a lot of the motivation behind Defund the Police was that municipalities are going broke, so non-police government workers have been hoping to raid police budgets to preserve their own pay. It’s a perfectly logical reaction. Just too bad about all the dead bodies.
     
    It'll turn out to be eating the seed corn. It's not as if cities will just be able to turn the police back on again next year. The cops that can retire or leave will. The ones who will be left will learn how to keep collecting a paycheck doing as little as possible. And word will get out that law enforcement isn't a career for anyone with options to get into, at least not in a big city. None of this will make getting the tax base back any easier. How long did it take for the NYPD to start making a dent in crime, say, from the depths of the 1980s? About 10-15 years?

    Replies: @prosa123, @Paul Jolliffe

    And word will get out that law enforcement isn’t a career for anyone with options to get into, at least not in a big city.

    Which means that instead of a big city PD getting 5,000 applicants for each opening it’ll only get 4,000.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @prosa123

    And those worth hiring will go from 10 to -5.

  19. Waiting for the NYT headline, Increase In Murders Caused By White Supremacists.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  20. Shouldn’t the headline be: Crime statistics are fungible! (except homicide which is only somewhat fungible)

  21. “ I thought one of the more clever explanations of why shootings have doubled in New York City this year is that with few riding the subways, people in bad neighborhoods had to hang around with their bad neighbors rather than go off to some nice neighborhood to get away from their not nice neighbors. Not surprisingly, in some neighborhoods, the more time people spend with each other, the more they shoot each other.”

    Is it possible a factor may be that less whites are coming into the ghetto to buy drugs (because of corona, PBUH) creating more competition over a smaller street corner market.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Mike Tre

    The drug trade has moved from corners. It’s mostly Mexican now, at least in SÉ Pa, and mostly arranged with texts. Very little violence associated with it these days, at least in the sense of daylight gun battles. One exception is the open air injection sites that many cities seem to tolerate.

  22. Schools, libraries, recreation centers and public pools have closed. Nonprofits, churches and sports leagues have scaled back. Mentors, social workers and counselors have been hampered by social distancing

    Black thugs love hanging out in public libraries, didn’t you know? They also regularly attend school and church. They were so upset about the loss of these activities that had to relieve their stress by shooting each other.

    • Replies: @Ano
    @West reanimator

    Don't forget the bread!

    If there's any increase in crime (and I'm not saying there is- it depends on what the Dem talking points are on the day on which I'm replying to you), then it's owing to PoCs going hungry for bread (probably because either the Proud Boys have eaten it all, or Trump had two scoops of it).

  23. Funniest line: “perplexing experts who normally expect these patterns to trend together”.

    Second funniest, but also sad: “street justice”.

    Try to imagine the selection interview for a NYT journalist.

    Interviewer: How can we account for this large and sustained increase in homicides?
    Candidate: Judging by the dates, it began with the BLM protests, and was then …
    Interviewer: Next!

  24. Remember this ‘Trump’s a liar, crime is down!’ narrative, because the likelihood is under a Dem WH, the narrative will flip 180 degrees.

    The MSM will be publishing ‘crime has fallen under healer peacemaker Kamala Mandela after spiking under the murderous Trump years’ pieces.

    I can see it now: the reporting will be crime rose under Trump because he let the dogs of white supremacism (Charlottesville, Proud Boys, racist white killer cops, etc etc) loose, while the promoting of systemic/institutional racism led to a negro holocaust.

    Needless to say, the MSM blackout (sorry, Blackout) of all crime save for any white-on-PoC criminality/victimisation (i.e. Karens) will be maintained, even intensified if Dem police-reform means European-style woke policing (i.e. the ignoring, or even the cover-up of minority criminality (i.e. muslim child rape gangs), while, on the other hand, proactive persecuting and prosecuting hate (speech) crime (i.e. more of those K.A.R.E.N laws which criminalise the reporting to the police of ‘birdwatchers’ and ‘joggers’).

    Stay tuned!

    • Agree: HammerJack
  25. @JohnnyWalker123
    Um, guys....

    https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1313663636586496001v

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1313682964102881280

    https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1313210872408530946

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @R.G. Camara, @Michael S, @Thomas, @bomag, @peterike, @Mike_from_SGV, @anon, @eric, @tyrone, @Abe, @vinteuil

    This too shall pass.

  26. @West reanimator

    Schools, libraries, recreation centers and public pools have closed. Nonprofits, churches and sports leagues have scaled back. Mentors, social workers and counselors have been hampered by social distancing
     
    Black thugs love hanging out in public libraries, didn't you know? They also regularly attend school and church. They were so upset about the loss of these activities that had to relieve their stress by shooting each other.

    Replies: @Ano

    Don’t forget the bread!

    If there’s any increase in crime (and I’m not saying there is- it depends on what the Dem talking points are on the day on which I’m replying to you), then it’s owing to PoCs going hungry for bread (probably because either the Proud Boys have eaten it all, or Trump had two scoops of it).

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  27. @prosa123
    @Thomas

    And word will get out that law enforcement isn’t a career for anyone with options to get into, at least not in a big city.

    Which means that instead of a big city PD getting 5,000 applicants for each opening it'll only get 4,000.

    Replies: @bomag

    And those worth hiring will go from 10 to -5.

  28. Suggestion, Steve: add a line in those graphs on the date of George Floyd’s death.

  29. Perhaps. Or it could be that the bigger cause for all the black killings blacks since May 25 is that the media, led by the New York Times, spent the summer telling blacks they should be ANGRY.

    Yes, we can think of this as giving License.

    While with generally less lethal consequences, we’ve seen this manifest society-wide. One emblematic category is adult aggression, social media and even assaults against minors (e.g. The Covington boys; That bartender throwing a drink in the face of a kid minding his own business wearing a MAGA hat).

    We shouldn’t discount what can be thought of as conditions precedent, exacerbating The Ferguson Effect. Including the current politics and, most especially the disorienting effects of the lockdown/martial law.

    No insensitivity intended, but spikes in shootings and murder rates under these conditions isn’t mysterious, even if few other than you will intelligently explain it. Nor is it as Slippery Slope worrying as journalists with the full support of their corporate media employers seeking to destroy the future of some teenagers to send a political/ideological message.

    The only thing you can say in defense of these individuals working through their issues towards children in this despicable manner is that they’re less sick or dangerous than the sexual predators who targeted and set about Kyle Rittenhouse.

  30. @JohnnyWalker123
    Um, guys....

    https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1313663636586496001v

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1313682964102881280

    https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1313210872408530946

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @R.G. Camara, @Michael S, @Thomas, @bomag, @peterike, @Mike_from_SGV, @anon, @eric, @tyrone, @Abe, @vinteuil

    That’s a complete BS poll, wildly over-spiked with Dems and taken largely in NY and CA. In other words, more media dirty ops. Only a fool believes this stuff anymore.

  31. Crime, the eternal mystery!!

    Are they talking about NYC only? In which case, burglaries are in fact spiking hugely in many neighborhoods. Sure, there’s less street crime, because there’s nobody on the street to commit it against. How are you going to assault someone or pick a pocket if no one is there? How are you going to shoplift if the stores are closed? How are you getting into a bar fight if there are no bars?

    Oh and then there’s this gem…

    And programs devised to reduce gun violence — and that have proved effective in studies — have been upended by the pandemic.

    Upended by the pandemic?? Mysterious viral forces! Or maybe it’s because DeBlasio cancelled the highly effective NYPD program for getting guns off the streets, because black lives and all that, and by some mysterious reason that only white supremacy can explain, shootings jumped up like crazy once cops stopped going after guns. This is all so complex and confounding that it would take a sixth grader to figure out. Which makes it far beyond the intellectual level of the press or academia.

    Oh and then there’s that eliminating bail for most crimes and letting people out of prison for the ‘rona. Maybe, just maybe, that’s had an impact.

    And crime is also down because rioters and looters are not being arrested, and if arrested not charged. The simplest way of all to make crime stats go down: stop arresting people for actual crimes.

  32. @JohnnyWalker123
    Um, guys....

    https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1313663636586496001v

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1313682964102881280

    https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1313210872408530946

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @R.G. Camara, @Michael S, @Thomas, @bomag, @peterike, @Mike_from_SGV, @anon, @eric, @tyrone, @Abe, @vinteuil

    Whether it’s 14 or 9 points, the wheels are coming off. People notice weird behavior. Biden is up big even in Arizona.

  33. The NY Times, with a second-rate firm grasp of the obvious, finally admits what others can see. Elsewhere, the story is clear.

    “Homicides and aggravated assaults rose beginning in late May and June….”

    “Homicides are on the rise across the nation this year…. A report by the Council on Criminal Justice found that the homicide rate this past summer (June, July and August) was roughly 53 percent higher than it was during the summer of 2019. Aggravated assaults rose by 14 percent.”

    “The spike took place around the time the period of social unrest began after the killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis, the report says. But Rosenfeld told Yahoo News that one can only speculate whether the two events are linked. “That’s a complicated connection,” he said.”

    https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/10/06/a-worrisome-trend-rising-murder-rate-is-a-national-problem-data-shows/24643175/

  34. My theory about the real genesis and motivation for “defund the police” is that many cities are looking to offload the responsibility and (most importantly) insurance expenses for domestic law enforcement to their counties or states.

    • Replies: @TWS
    @countenance

    The problem with the whole defund the police thing is that the feds make up a big chunk of the budgets. If you defund your police department there's less money to dink around with. I can see the feds funding peace and reconciliation committees but that won't be big bucks.

    , @Old and Grumpy
    @countenance

    More like setting up a federalized police force.

  35. Here in Minneapolis, or Georgefloydopolis, as I like to call it, people are trying to explain why three teens 16 and under beat up an elderly woman, robbed her and stole her car before crashing it during police pursuit. None survived. We’re told by people who Know that it had to be due to a lack of diverting activities. Parental guidance has absolutely nothing to do with it, you racist!

  36. @Mike Tre
    “ I thought one of the more clever explanations of why shootings have doubled in New York City this year is that with few riding the subways, people in bad neighborhoods had to hang around with their bad neighbors rather than go off to some nice neighborhood to get away from their not nice neighbors. Not surprisingly, in some neighborhoods, the more time people spend with each other, the more they shoot each other.”

    Is it possible a factor may be that less whites are coming into the ghetto to buy drugs (because of corona, PBUH) creating more competition over a smaller street corner market.

    Replies: @JMcG

    The drug trade has moved from corners. It’s mostly Mexican now, at least in SÉ Pa, and mostly arranged with texts. Very little violence associated with it these days, at least in the sense of daylight gun battles. One exception is the open air injection sites that many cities seem to tolerate.

  37. @countenance
    My theory about the real genesis and motivation for "defund the police" is that many cities are looking to offload the responsibility and (most importantly) insurance expenses for domestic law enforcement to their counties or states.

    Replies: @TWS, @Old and Grumpy

    The problem with the whole defund the police thing is that the feds make up a big chunk of the budgets. If you defund your police department there’s less money to dink around with. I can see the feds funding peace and reconciliation committees but that won’t be big bucks.

  38. @JohnnyWalker123
    Um, guys....

    https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1313663636586496001v

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1313682964102881280

    https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1313210872408530946

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @R.G. Camara, @Michael S, @Thomas, @bomag, @peterike, @Mike_from_SGV, @anon, @eric, @tyrone, @Abe, @vinteuil

    Aren’t you the guy who was totally convinced Trump was dead-man-walking with the Coof? Did all your fretting and panic-poasting all over this site change anything, make any kind of diff?

    • Agree: BenKenobi
  39. @JohnnyWalker123
    @JohnnyWalker123

    This too.

    https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1313636287979704326

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    JW, remember the narrative, they should be stepping over bodies in the corridors leading to the Oval Office. There should be a refrigerated truck parked in the Rose Garden.

  40. Biden should be running as the Law and Order candidate, like Bill Clinton did in 1992 and promise to hire 100,000 more police. No more talk , just action. Hiring more police is actually a good idea to reduce crime.

    With crime escalating under the Trump administration, especially the murder rates.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Travis

    Biden should be running as the Law and Order candidate, like Bill Clinton did in 1992

    Wow, I don't know how to break this to you, but....1992 was 28 years ago and a different country. A Sistah Souljah moment won't work, either.

    The D's have embraced rioting and looting peaceful protesting all summer, it would be...awkward...for them to go all Lawn Order at this time.

  41. If the nyt can get more of these homicides listed as Covid deaths they can kill two birds with one stone, Covid up, murder down.

  42. @JohnnyWalker123
    Um, guys....

    https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1313663636586496001v

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1313682964102881280

    https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1313210872408530946

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @R.G. Camara, @Michael S, @Thomas, @bomag, @peterike, @Mike_from_SGV, @anon, @eric, @tyrone, @Abe, @vinteuil

    I’m of two minds on this. On one hand, the media-academia-deep state propaganda is working, and they will gain executive power again. On the other hand, they are doing everything they can to energize their voters and discourage their adversaries by biasing the polls.

    At the leaked Google meeting from 2016, where executives discussed the Trump victory, they blatantly discussed what they can do differently to prevent this from happening again. There’s more anti-Trump bias in our media, which shows up in reported polls, but perhaps accurate polls as well.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @eric

    I don't know what "accurate polls" means.
    They were flat out lying last time. They committed to doing whatever it takes this time. Trump supporters do not respond to polls. I (and others I have talked with) have deliberately lied to pollsters. Now the polls are doing what they last time (when they were just lying) with with a more reasonable hedge, with a known corrupted source.

    Replies: @Known Fact

  43. @countenance
    My theory about the real genesis and motivation for "defund the police" is that many cities are looking to offload the responsibility and (most importantly) insurance expenses for domestic law enforcement to their counties or states.

    Replies: @TWS, @Old and Grumpy

    More like setting up a federalized police force.

  44. @JohnnyWalker123
    Um, guys....

    https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1313663636586496001v

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1313682964102881280

    https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1313210872408530946

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @R.G. Camara, @Michael S, @Thomas, @bomag, @peterike, @Mike_from_SGV, @anon, @eric, @tyrone, @Abe, @vinteuil

    Have you ever lied to a pollster?……… if not, what the hells wrong with you.

  45. It’s all that history that is driving people to shoot each other.

    Obviously history is a raciss white concept that does not apply to the saintly Black! community, peace be upon Them!.

    the New York Times, spent the summer telling blacks they should be ANGRY.

    And they listened.

    Angry Blacks!? Blasphemy… That’s just a tired old stereotrope.

    whites cause all the violence because white girls luv Black! Men… 🦆

    white rage: despite the “angry Blacks!” stereotype, most race-based street harassment comes from angry whites.

    Studies find that Blacks! are more optimistic about America than any other group.

    Perhaps Blacks! are so optimistic about America’s future because their terraforming activities have been so wildly successful this summer…

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.angryblacksthegame.angryblacksstarringpercyblacks

  46. The pandemic appears irrelevant to the homicide rate: 2020’s homicide rate was running a little higher back in the winter and stayed a little higher in the spring during the lockdowns and then went through the roof during The Summer of Peaceful Protests (and Not Quite So Peaceful Shootings). (Note that the homicide rate is a 4-week moving average.)

    A lot of other countries (e.g. Spain and Italy) have the coronavirus, but how many have had similar homicide spikes?

  47. @eric
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I'm of two minds on this. On one hand, the media-academia-deep state propaganda is working, and they will gain executive power again. On the other hand, they are doing everything they can to energize their voters and discourage their adversaries by biasing the polls.

    At the leaked Google meeting from 2016, where executives discussed the Trump victory, they blatantly discussed what they can do differently to prevent this from happening again. There's more anti-Trump bias in our media, which shows up in reported polls, but perhaps accurate polls as well.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    I don’t know what “accurate polls” means.
    They were flat out lying last time. They committed to doing whatever it takes this time. Trump supporters do not respond to polls. I (and others I have talked with) have deliberately lied to pollsters. Now the polls are doing what they last time (when they were just lying) with with a more reasonable hedge, with a known corrupted source.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @J.Ross

    A political poll is just another fake hit-piece, only with 1200 anonymous sources instead of two.

  48. At a minimum, public school closures will eliminate all the violent incidents that normally occur therein, between 8 and 2:45.

    Big picture, public school closures should marginally REDUCE the incidence of violent crime, i.e. school days and violence are positively correlated.

    Of course that nasty, open-secret never hinders the school advocates (unions) from pushing for more school (tax) funding.

    For instance, next month the Dallas Independent School District is asking voters to pass a ~4B bond issue (at the TX local level, the largest such measure in history).

  49. So I’m assuming that the looting and burning wasn’t counted as “crime,” huh. Simplifies things a lot that way.

  50. “Crime is hard to explain even in normal times.” Only if you’re an NYT reporter with 30 column inches to fill.

  51. anonymous[200] • Disclaimer says:

    Of course, crime is down. Police are ignoring crime, DAs refuse to prosecute those that are arrested, crimes that are prosecuted are reassigned to lesser crime categories for better stats. Add in the fact that a lot of violent crime is not even reported to police. Only 39% of whites report those crimes, blacks and hispanics report about 49%. That was in 2019, I’m sure less is reported now.

    https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv19.pdf

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @anonymous

    yeah, if you check out your nextdoor app regularly, you'll see all sorts of crimes that get reported to the neighbors, but not necessarily to the police. Frankly, i can't believe those apps haven't been a liberal scandal since they expose what really goes on, even in nice neighborhoods. There are known criminals, cruising the streets on a regular basis looking for easy targets. Bikes, toys, tools, catalytic converters, unlocked cars, open garages. Also drug dealers and prostitutes that move through the apartment complexes looking for customers via texting. That was a real shock to read about.

    Replies: @prosa123

  52. “When confidence in the police wanes and drops sufficiently, then one gets a rise in so-called street justice, in people taking matters into their own hands to settle disputes,” Mr. Rosenfeld said. “That contributes to a rise in violence.”

    Isn’t that just an admission that violence is necessary to police these cities and/or these people? If this is the “community”, then how would “community policing” be any different than the regular old police?

  53. Trump is toast and so are we. Because White women like violence and riots and crime. They flock to those Purge movies. Little downside for them. They can always be a warlords mistress.

    It’s why Biden has a growing 14 point lead. He can’t lose. He literally cannot.

    Crime is a sure fire winner for Dems. It creates violence and uncertainty and makes dweeby White men irrelevant. For White women what’s not to like?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Whiskey


    Trump is toast and so are we. Because White women like violence and riots and crime.

     

    Meanwhile, Jane Fonda can’t seem to internalize that politics never has, and never will be her forte.

    Many conservatives believe that wearing a mask and keeping most businesses open, while risking exposure to COVID, is the cost of doing business in a free and functional society.

    Jane believes that over 200,000 people dying is the cost of the business of killing Trump.

    Most conservatives consider COVID an unavoidable obstacle to overcome, while Jane considers it a "blessing."

    The light-hearted dark malice is something I’ve always marveled at with the far left, particularly their womenfolk.

    How can you be so darkly horrible, with such a gentle smile? I’m no expert, so I don’t know whether to pin it on a pathology, or narcissism. Is she too stupid and self-involved to understand what she’s saying, or is she really a just crazy dark bitch, who, under different circumstances, could function quite effectively with a gentle smile as one of the "Bitches of Bergen-Belsen"?

    Bergen-Belsen https://youtu.be/BSFx7PxfVLI

  54. @JohnnyWalker123
    Um, guys....

    https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1313663636586496001v

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1313682964102881280

    https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1313210872408530946

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @R.G. Camara, @Michael S, @Thomas, @bomag, @peterike, @Mike_from_SGV, @anon, @eric, @tyrone, @Abe, @vinteuil

    Propaganda to justify the ballot majik they intend to pull in the first two weeks of November. No way, after the Democrats proudly wrapping themselves in the burn-loot-murder flag all summer long, is Trump getting less than the rock bottom ~42% support any GOP candidate always gets.

  55. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @Whiskey
    Trump is toast and so are we. Because White women like violence and riots and crime. They flock to those Purge movies. Little downside for them. They can always be a warlords mistress.

    It’s why Biden has a growing 14 point lead. He can’t lose. He literally cannot.

    Crime is a sure fire winner for Dems. It creates violence and uncertainty and makes dweeby White men irrelevant. For White women what’s not to like?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Trump is toast and so are we. Because White women like violence and riots and crime.

    Meanwhile, Jane Fonda can’t seem to internalize that politics never has, and never will be her forte.

    Many conservatives believe that wearing a mask and keeping most businesses open, while risking exposure to COVID, is the cost of doing business in a free and functional society.

    Jane believes that over 200,000 people dying is the cost of the business of killing Trump.

    Most conservatives consider COVID an unavoidable obstacle to overcome, while Jane considers it a “blessing.”

    The light-hearted dark malice is something I’ve always marveled at with the far left, particularly their womenfolk.

    How can you be so darkly horrible, with such a gentle smile? I’m no expert, so I don’t know whether to pin it on a pathology, or narcissism. Is she too stupid and self-involved to understand what she’s saying, or is she really a just crazy dark bitch, who, under different circumstances, could function quite effectively with a gentle smile as one of the “Bitches of Bergen-Belsen”?

    Bergen-Belsen

  56. It’s impossible to say how much this dynamic has contributed to violence this year. Crime is hard to explain even in normal times.

    You FUCKING dirtbag! You FUCKING scum-sucking, brown-nosing, slack-wristed, passive aggressive patsy! “It’s impossible to say”. It’s all still a “puzzle” that defies “simple explanation”. Nobody knows nothing.

    Listen ASSHOLE, BLM is now officially the largest, most replicated social science experiment in the history of the planet. In both 2013 and 2020, with both a Democrat in the White House and a Republican, with no virus raging and in a complete pandemic shutdown as well as in both a pre-Trump Derangement and post-Trump Derangement milieu you’ve just again proven- turn on BLM, get a couple thousand extra joggaz in body bags. The thing is so ridiculously clockwork even YOUR role in it, you limp-dick soy-swallowing NPC, to claim it is all a mystery now and then 6 months from now proudly beam that !Science!/studies/blue check mark something-something has now definitively shown that whatever caused the murder surge it definitely was not BLM, is so foreordained as to be pathetic. BLM = more dead joggaz . n=330,000,000

  57. @JohnnyWalker123
    Um, guys....

    https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1313663636586496001v

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1313682964102881280

    https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1313210872408530946

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @R.G. Camara, @Michael S, @Thomas, @bomag, @peterike, @Mike_from_SGV, @anon, @eric, @tyrone, @Abe, @vinteuil

    In the short run, an overwhelming Biden victory would actually be a good thing.

    TPTB will immediately stop funding/supporting the “mostly peaceful” “protests” – so those will quickly dry up.

    Who knows – TPTB might even call off the covid panic, once it’s no longer useful in ridding them of this turbulent Trump.

    The long run, of course, is another matter entirely.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @vinteuil


    In the short run, an overwhelming Biden victory would actually be a good thing.

    TPTB will immediately stop funding/supporting the “mostly peaceful” “protests” – so those will quickly dry up.

    Who knows – TPTB might even call off the covid panic, once it’s no longer useful in ridding them of this turbulent Trump.

    The long run, of course, is another matter entirely.
     
    In the short run, aborting the invasion of Normandy would actually be a good thing. The lives of all those boys would be spared. It would save at least 6,000 French lives that would be sacrificed by the errant artillery shells from our battleships that would atomize them before we stormed the beach.

    Who knows? Hitler and his cronies might even turn out to be okay guys!

    The long run, of course, is another matter entirely.


    Question: Do you believe in leaving any stupid thought unexpressed?

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @prosa123, @vinteuil

    , @Whiskey
    @vinteuil

    Biden and Harris will ramp up the riots and then use that to implement a Chinese style solution to the White problem. Kinder gentler work camps. Which no one leaves. All White men sent there.

    Biden = civil race war. He’s the Paul Hindenburg of the Dem Party

  58. anon[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @Travis
    Biden should be running as the Law and Order candidate, like Bill Clinton did in 1992 and promise to hire 100,000 more police. No more talk , just action. Hiring more police is actually a good idea to reduce crime.

    With crime escalating under the Trump administration, especially the murder rates.

    Replies: @anon

    Biden should be running as the Law and Order candidate, like Bill Clinton did in 1992

    Wow, I don’t know how to break this to you, but….1992 was 28 years ago and a different country. A Sistah Souljah moment won’t work, either.

    The D’s have embraced rioting and looting peaceful protesting all summer, it would be…awkward…for them to go all Lawn Order at this time.

  59. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @vinteuil
    @JohnnyWalker123

    In the short run, an overwhelming Biden victory would actually be a good thing.

    TPTB will immediately stop funding/supporting the "mostly peaceful" "protests" - so those will quickly dry up.

    Who knows - TPTB might even call off the covid panic, once it's no longer useful in ridding them of this turbulent Trump.

    The long run, of course, is another matter entirely.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Whiskey

    In the short run, an overwhelming Biden victory would actually be a good thing.

    TPTB will immediately stop funding/supporting the “mostly peaceful” “protests” – so those will quickly dry up.

    Who knows – TPTB might even call off the covid panic, once it’s no longer useful in ridding them of this turbulent Trump.

    The long run, of course, is another matter entirely.

    In the short run, aborting the invasion of Normandy would actually be a good thing. The lives of all those boys would be spared. It would save at least 6,000 French lives that would be sacrificed by the errant artillery shells from our battleships that would atomize them before we stormed the beach.

    Who knows? Hitler and his cronies might even turn out to be okay guys!

    The long run, of course, is another matter entirely.

    Question: Do you believe in leaving any stupid thought unexpressed?

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @Anonymous


    In the short run, aborting the invasion of Normandy would actually be a good thing.
     
    This but unironically.
    , @prosa123
    @Anonymous

    In the short run, aborting the invasion of Normandy would actually be a good thing. The lives of all those boys would be spared. It would save at least 6,000 French lives that would be sacrificed by the errant artillery shells from our battleships that would atomize them before we stormed the beach.
    Who knows? Hitler and his cronies might even turn out to be okay guys!
    The long run, of course, is another matter entirely.


    I know you meant all that as a joke, but things would have been far better had the invasion not occurred. With the Germans able to devote more effort to the Eastern Front the Soviets would have been bottled up and there wouldn't have been 45 years of an Iron Curtain. And while the war would have dragged on longer the US still would have won thanks to the atomic bomb.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @vinteuil
    @Anonymous


    In the short run, aborting the invasion of Normandy would actually be a good thing. The lives of all those boys would be spared. It would save at least 6,000 French lives that would be sacrificed by the errant artillery shells from our battleships that would atomize them before we stormed the beach.
     
    I take it this is intended as a parody of my views, meant to show how obviously wrong they are?

    How odd.
  60. @Thomas

    Like I’ve been pointing out, a lot of the motivation behind Defund the Police was that municipalities are going broke, so non-police government workers have been hoping to raid police budgets to preserve their own pay. It’s a perfectly logical reaction. Just too bad about all the dead bodies.
     
    It'll turn out to be eating the seed corn. It's not as if cities will just be able to turn the police back on again next year. The cops that can retire or leave will. The ones who will be left will learn how to keep collecting a paycheck doing as little as possible. And word will get out that law enforcement isn't a career for anyone with options to get into, at least not in a big city. None of this will make getting the tax base back any easier. How long did it take for the NYPD to start making a dent in crime, say, from the depths of the 1980s? About 10-15 years?

    Replies: @prosa123, @Paul Jolliffe

    I’ve got a different (and frankly, more accurate) take- a much, much bigger part of “defund the police” is a Deep State tactic from military/tech companies to replace human cops with robot cops.

    Encouraging public dissatisfaction with local cops through phony BLM incidents is part of sophisticated Psy Op to bring this about.

    It’s been openly discussed and planned for years.

    Just about every tech company does business with the DOD – it is extremely lucrative.

    It’s not a joke and it’s not going away.

    https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2016/07/military-robotics-makers-see-future-armed-police-robots/129769/

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1233171

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @Paul Jolliffe

    There may be a few glitches and temporary setbacks.

    https://youtu.be/ZFvqDaFpXeM

  61. @Puremania
    Tales from the front of race-realism: the enlightenment of two Nice White Ladies in 2020. The first was what some call a “Christian wine mom”. I’ve known her for a long time, but we never spoke in any depth about the racial situation. I kept my views, which are partly based on my long experience in Chicago, to myself. This summer, she said she had been summoned for jury duty down there. The deal was that she would hear a basket of cases, one after another. Her voice dropped when she described some of these defendants and the charges, and said that it changed her politics profoundly, where before she just accepted the “equality” bromides we all know.
    Then, I met another, a court reporter who had covered the suburbs before getting jobs downtown. She too said that seeing black criminals and witnesses speaking live transformed her completely from a typical liberal to a solid Trump supporter. She railed against the fat welfare queens and baby daddies, and their ridiculous, self-inflicted plights. At one point, she went into a perfect impression of the loud, flashy ghetto style that shocked even me.
    I took the opportunity to ask “what could I have said or done, when you were the pious liberal, to open your eyes to this reality, what explaining, what recounting, what books or internet or anything could have revealed the truth?” She said “nothing”, and when I pressed on this point, she repeated, forcefully, that there was absolutely nothing on earth that would have brought her to this new understanding if she hadn’t seen it in person in real time.
    So, I came away from these two thinking Don’t waste time trying to persuade anybody. But Do figure out how to get these worlds into collision. If we can do that, the struggle will sooner availeth.

    Replies: @Kylie

    Several years ago, a guy on AmRen said every year he took his kids to the city park full of blacks kids and let them get roughed up a little. Then he’d take them to their nice safe park full of white kids.

    Though in fairness to your two formerly liberal friends, black pathology must be seen to be believed.

  62. Here is what Vox had to say about this.
    https://www.vox.com/2020/8/3/21334149/murders-crime-shootings-protests-riots-trump-biden

    This is what they though important enough to put in the subttitle.

    The homicide rate is up in big American cities, including those run by Democrats and Republicans.

    And here is how they back it up. Of course, they don’t discuss the base rates or per capita statistics.

    Despite previous comments by Trump blaming the increase on Democratic-run cities, Asher found murders are up 29 percent and 26 percent, respectively, in cities with Democratic mayors and those with Republican mayors.

    Vox also links to a report coauthored by Rosenfeld at
    https://covid19.counciloncj.org/2020/09/26/impact-report-covid-19-and-crime/

    From that.

    The model estimated a structural break at the end of May 2020, after which the homicide rate increased sharply through the beginning of July.

    Interesting timing. I wonder what happened right around then.

    Here is the NYT running interference for Democratic mayors.
    Murders Are Rising. Blaming a Party Doesn’t Add Up.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/28/upshot/murders-2020-election-debate.html

    They also link to Asher’s Google spreadsheet. There we can see:
    – The top 15 cities by number of 2020 murders have Democrat mayors.
    – The top 12 cities by number of 2019 murders have Democrat mayors.
    – Jacksonville has the “honor” of breaking both of those streaks.

    What we really need is similar data only looking at murder rates along with the 2019-2020 change.

  63. @El Dato

    perplexing experts who normally expect these patterns to trend together.
     
    WWBD: What will Biden do? He always listens to experts.

    At least, something is being done against home-defense crime and for the unalienable right of degenerate Black-Fa hordes to invade:

    St. Louis couple who brandished guns at BLM protesters indicted by grand jury on weapons, evidence-tampering charges

    Meanwhile the tantrum-throwing over the Presidential Covid seems to be ongoing. The spectacle of a crawler schoolkid who does everything the teacher tells him to do who discovers you may also pass the exam without having bothered about all the homework bullshit.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    St. Louis couple who brandished guns at BLM protesters indicted by grand jury on weapons, evidence-tampering charges

    Prosecutorial evidence tampering magically transformed into evidence tampering by the defendants. Just when I thought I’d seen everything.

    (The pistol used by the woman was one that was already fixed to be unfireable before the incident they were indicted for. This was for safety reasons when it was used as a courtroom exhibit. An Assistant Circuit Attorney ordered the ballistics lab to fix it so it could be fired in ballistics tests to establish that it was a real threat to the mob she pointed it at. Apparently the prosecution convinced the grand jury that the gun must have been operable at the time of the incident and that she and or her husband must have made it inoperable before their attorney surrendered it to the police. Talk about indicting a ham sandwich.)

    • Replies: @anon
    @Hibernian

    Grand juries are Exhibit A in the case against democracy.
    If prosecutors can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich, we should blame each and every member of the jury even more than we blame the prosecutor.
    If citizens can't perform this duty intelligently, when they have the leisure to really look at a case, how can they have competent opinions about anything?
    Granted they are only hearing one side from the prosecutor, and the level of proof needed to indict is understandably lower, but when does a grand jury ever work up the nerve to just say "No" to the prosecutor?

    Replies: @prosa123

  64. @J.Ross
    We deserve everything coming if we do not deal with mainstream journalists.

    Replies: @Alice in Wonderland, @Ragno

    … It’s impossible to say how much this dynamic has contributed to violence this year.

    MSM speak for, “We don’t want that investigated because we probably won’t like and will refuse to accept the answer.”

  65. Never say New Yorkers don’t come to play! Big push forward with eight shootings on a Tuesday.

    https://nypost.com/2020/10/07/eight-wounded-in-latest-round-of-nyc-shootings-cops-say/

    Meanwhile DeBlasio is literally targeting Jews for ‘rona roundups and coming out with “we shall not let this violence happen!” guff, while he lets the homies do whatevah dey want.

  66. @anonymous
    Of course, crime is down. Police are ignoring crime, DAs refuse to prosecute those that are arrested, crimes that are prosecuted are reassigned to lesser crime categories for better stats. Add in the fact that a lot of violent crime is not even reported to police. Only 39% of whites report those crimes, blacks and hispanics report about 49%. That was in 2019, I'm sure less is reported now.

    https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv19.pdf

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    yeah, if you check out your nextdoor app regularly, you’ll see all sorts of crimes that get reported to the neighbors, but not necessarily to the police. Frankly, i can’t believe those apps haven’t been a liberal scandal since they expose what really goes on, even in nice neighborhoods. There are known criminals, cruising the streets on a regular basis looking for easy targets. Bikes, toys, tools, catalytic converters, unlocked cars, open garages. Also drug dealers and prostitutes that move through the apartment complexes looking for customers via texting. That was a real shock to read about.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @stillCARealist

    Also drug dealers and prostitutes that move through the apartment complexes looking for customers via texting.

    In the case of the hookers, that's a bad thing, how?

    Replies: @stillCARealist

  67. @J.Ross
    @eric

    I don't know what "accurate polls" means.
    They were flat out lying last time. They committed to doing whatever it takes this time. Trump supporters do not respond to polls. I (and others I have talked with) have deliberately lied to pollsters. Now the polls are doing what they last time (when they were just lying) with with a more reasonable hedge, with a known corrupted source.

    Replies: @Known Fact

    A political poll is just another fake hit-piece, only with 1200 anonymous sources instead of two.

    • Agree: J.Ross
  68. @Anonymous
    @vinteuil


    In the short run, an overwhelming Biden victory would actually be a good thing.

    TPTB will immediately stop funding/supporting the “mostly peaceful” “protests” – so those will quickly dry up.

    Who knows – TPTB might even call off the covid panic, once it’s no longer useful in ridding them of this turbulent Trump.

    The long run, of course, is another matter entirely.
     
    In the short run, aborting the invasion of Normandy would actually be a good thing. The lives of all those boys would be spared. It would save at least 6,000 French lives that would be sacrificed by the errant artillery shells from our battleships that would atomize them before we stormed the beach.

    Who knows? Hitler and his cronies might even turn out to be okay guys!

    The long run, of course, is another matter entirely.


    Question: Do you believe in leaving any stupid thought unexpressed?

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @prosa123, @vinteuil

    In the short run, aborting the invasion of Normandy would actually be a good thing.

    This but unironically.

  69. @Cortes
    “It’s all that history that is driving people to shoot each other.”


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pE_x3UC1f3o

    Replies: @CJ

    Great job by both actors in that clip.

  70. @Henry's Cat

    Emily Badger and Quoctrung Bui
     
    Emily did the writing, Bui is a graphics guy. Even at the Times, there's a 'puzzling' division of labor.

    Replies: @Altai

    It’s notable that at the US paper of record the head online interactive graphics guy is foreign and Chinese. Just a very basic coding job an American apparently couldn’t be found to do.

  71. @El Dato

    perplexing experts who normally expect these patterns to trend together.
     
    WWBD: What will Biden do? He always listens to experts.

    At least, something is being done against home-defense crime and for the unalienable right of degenerate Black-Fa hordes to invade:

    St. Louis couple who brandished guns at BLM protesters indicted by grand jury on weapons, evidence-tampering charges

    Meanwhile the tantrum-throwing over the Presidential Covid seems to be ongoing. The spectacle of a crawler schoolkid who does everything the teacher tells him to do who discovers you may also pass the exam without having bothered about all the homework bullshit.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Their crime experts sure seem to spend a lot of time being ‘perplexed’ about the simple fact that blacks commit a lot of violent crime.

  72. @John Milton’s Ghost
    I’m continually amazed at the assumption that if we just had the libraries, swimming pools, and softball leagues up and running that there’d be fewer murders. All those killers really just want a good book or to swim some laps.

    The Times has a peculiar talent for lapsing into passive voice whenever the subject gets too uncomfortable and close to the inexpedient truth. Police departments are just institutions that “fray”. Don’t ask about who is doing the fraying.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

    The pandemic has frayed all kinds of institutions and infrastructure that hold communities together, that watch over streets, that mediate conflicts, that simply give young people something to do.

    Is there any other group of people so incapable of figuring out things “to do” besides murder each other ( and anyone unlucky enough to be in their vicinity when they are in a bad mood)?

  73. anon[169] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hibernian
    @El Dato


    St. Louis couple who brandished guns at BLM protesters indicted by grand jury on weapons, evidence-tampering charges
     
    Prosecutorial evidence tampering magically transformed into evidence tampering by the defendants. Just when I thought I'd seen everything.

    (The pistol used by the woman was one that was already fixed to be unfireable before the incident they were indicted for. This was for safety reasons when it was used as a courtroom exhibit. An Assistant Circuit Attorney ordered the ballistics lab to fix it so it could be fired in ballistics tests to establish that it was a real threat to the mob she pointed it at. Apparently the prosecution convinced the grand jury that the gun must have been operable at the time of the incident and that she and or her husband must have made it inoperable before their attorney surrendered it to the police. Talk about indicting a ham sandwich.)

    Replies: @anon

    Grand juries are Exhibit A in the case against democracy.
    If prosecutors can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich, we should blame each and every member of the jury even more than we blame the prosecutor.
    If citizens can’t perform this duty intelligently, when they have the leisure to really look at a case, how can they have competent opinions about anything?
    Granted they are only hearing one side from the prosecutor, and the level of proof needed to indict is understandably lower, but when does a grand jury ever work up the nerve to just say “No” to the prosecutor?

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @anon

    Connecticut hasn't used grand juries in decades and the criminal justice system seems to work as well as anywhere else.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  74. Looks like President Trump saw Jane Fonda’s video, and he somewhat agree’s with Jane that the Corona virus was a gift from god, but probably not to the left…

  75. @vinteuil
    @JohnnyWalker123

    In the short run, an overwhelming Biden victory would actually be a good thing.

    TPTB will immediately stop funding/supporting the "mostly peaceful" "protests" - so those will quickly dry up.

    Who knows - TPTB might even call off the covid panic, once it's no longer useful in ridding them of this turbulent Trump.

    The long run, of course, is another matter entirely.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Whiskey

    Biden and Harris will ramp up the riots and then use that to implement a Chinese style solution to the White problem. Kinder gentler work camps. Which no one leaves. All White men sent there.

    Biden = civil race war. He’s the Paul Hindenburg of the Dem Party

  76. Summer jobs programs were cut this year. Violence intervention workers were barred from hospitals. Group behavioral therapy programs meant to be intimate and in-person have moved, often haltingly, online.

    How about some midnight basketball?

    That could very well be the missing piece to this puzzle.

  77. But violence is harder to grapple with. And that is especially true this year because it diverges so drastically from other crime.

    Burglaries would go down – a lot – if everyone’s working from home.

    Journalism is shite, now that it’s a pink-collar industry.

  78. In 2020 Amerikkka, we must listen to a kneegrow oracle to lay the Gospel upon us. How about the late Marion Barry, one time Washington DC mayor and crackhead, who said in 1989 in the midst of a terrible crime wave in his city.

    Quoth Hizzoner (in a speech to the Naional Press Club, no less):

    ″Except for the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country.”

    • LOL: GeneralRipper
  79. @Anonymous
    @vinteuil


    In the short run, an overwhelming Biden victory would actually be a good thing.

    TPTB will immediately stop funding/supporting the “mostly peaceful” “protests” – so those will quickly dry up.

    Who knows – TPTB might even call off the covid panic, once it’s no longer useful in ridding them of this turbulent Trump.

    The long run, of course, is another matter entirely.
     
    In the short run, aborting the invasion of Normandy would actually be a good thing. The lives of all those boys would be spared. It would save at least 6,000 French lives that would be sacrificed by the errant artillery shells from our battleships that would atomize them before we stormed the beach.

    Who knows? Hitler and his cronies might even turn out to be okay guys!

    The long run, of course, is another matter entirely.


    Question: Do you believe in leaving any stupid thought unexpressed?

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @prosa123, @vinteuil

    In the short run, aborting the invasion of Normandy would actually be a good thing. The lives of all those boys would be spared. It would save at least 6,000 French lives that would be sacrificed by the errant artillery shells from our battleships that would atomize them before we stormed the beach.
    Who knows? Hitler and his cronies might even turn out to be okay guys!
    The long run, of course, is another matter entirely.

    I know you meant all that as a joke, but things would have been far better had the invasion not occurred. With the Germans able to devote more effort to the Eastern Front the Soviets would have been bottled up and there wouldn’t have been 45 years of an Iron Curtain. And while the war would have dragged on longer the US still would have won thanks to the atomic bomb.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @prosa123

    The only argument for the invasion I can think of, given the Soviet advance and our approach up Italy, and besides an easier flow of supplies than up Italy, would be a kind of terror shock effect, forcing them to break, so we could avoid that damn German tendency to fight well over every inch even as they retreat. Given that's what they did anyway (and better, in the Bulge) ...

  80. @anon
    @Hibernian

    Grand juries are Exhibit A in the case against democracy.
    If prosecutors can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich, we should blame each and every member of the jury even more than we blame the prosecutor.
    If citizens can't perform this duty intelligently, when they have the leisure to really look at a case, how can they have competent opinions about anything?
    Granted they are only hearing one side from the prosecutor, and the level of proof needed to indict is understandably lower, but when does a grand jury ever work up the nerve to just say "No" to the prosecutor?

    Replies: @prosa123

    Connecticut hasn’t used grand juries in decades and the criminal justice system seems to work as well as anywhere else.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @prosa123

    They should be abolished and replaced by the type of adversarial preliminary hearing shown in Perry Mason, with the possible exception of true investigative grand juries like the original ones in England. Even that is doubtful since they'd likely be abused.

  81. @stillCARealist
    @anonymous

    yeah, if you check out your nextdoor app regularly, you'll see all sorts of crimes that get reported to the neighbors, but not necessarily to the police. Frankly, i can't believe those apps haven't been a liberal scandal since they expose what really goes on, even in nice neighborhoods. There are known criminals, cruising the streets on a regular basis looking for easy targets. Bikes, toys, tools, catalytic converters, unlocked cars, open garages. Also drug dealers and prostitutes that move through the apartment complexes looking for customers via texting. That was a real shock to read about.

    Replies: @prosa123

    Also drug dealers and prostitutes that move through the apartment complexes looking for customers via texting.

    In the case of the hookers, that’s a bad thing, how?

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @prosa123

    Excellent question since it's not going to directly affect me or anyone else in my UMC setting. Someone in the apartment complex posted complaints because her son was out on parole and the prostitutes represent a myriad of ways in which he could find himself in hot water again.

    That's the thing about crime and vice: it hurts those on the low end of the SES the most.

  82. @prosa123
    @Anonymous

    In the short run, aborting the invasion of Normandy would actually be a good thing. The lives of all those boys would be spared. It would save at least 6,000 French lives that would be sacrificed by the errant artillery shells from our battleships that would atomize them before we stormed the beach.
    Who knows? Hitler and his cronies might even turn out to be okay guys!
    The long run, of course, is another matter entirely.


    I know you meant all that as a joke, but things would have been far better had the invasion not occurred. With the Germans able to devote more effort to the Eastern Front the Soviets would have been bottled up and there wouldn't have been 45 years of an Iron Curtain. And while the war would have dragged on longer the US still would have won thanks to the atomic bomb.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    The only argument for the invasion I can think of, given the Soviet advance and our approach up Italy, and besides an easier flow of supplies than up Italy, would be a kind of terror shock effect, forcing them to break, so we could avoid that damn German tendency to fight well over every inch even as they retreat. Given that’s what they did anyway (and better, in the Bulge) …

  83. @Paul Jolliffe
    @Thomas

    I’ve got a different (and frankly, more accurate) take- a much, much bigger part of “defund the police” is a Deep State tactic from military/tech companies to replace human cops with robot cops.

    Encouraging public dissatisfaction with local cops through phony BLM incidents is part of sophisticated Psy Op to bring this about.

    It’s been openly discussed and planned for years.

    Just about every tech company does business with the DOD - it is extremely lucrative.

    It’s not a joke and it’s not going away.

    https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2016/07/military-robotics-makers-see-future-armed-police-robots/129769/

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1233171

    Replies: @Thomas

    There may be a few glitches and temporary setbacks.

  84. @prosa123
    @anon

    Connecticut hasn't used grand juries in decades and the criminal justice system seems to work as well as anywhere else.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    They should be abolished and replaced by the type of adversarial preliminary hearing shown in Perry Mason, with the possible exception of true investigative grand juries like the original ones in England. Even that is doubtful since they’d likely be abused.

  85. @J.Ross
    We deserve everything coming if we do not deal with mainstream journalists.

    Replies: @Alice in Wonderland, @Ragno

    We deserve everything coming if we do not deal with mainstream journalists.

    My ‘agree’ button was ghosted, but the statement is true enough that it bears repeating, and more than once.

    We deserve everything coming if we do not deal with mainstream journalists.

  86. Crime is hard to explain even in normal times.

    Unless you’re going to be boorish enough to point out the proximity, and relative population density, of Negroes to the overall crime numbers. Happily for most of us in the Expert and Talking Head fields, such obvious conclusions as water is wet have been dismissed as hopelessly white supremacist and buried deep, way out in the Forbidden Zone.

  87. @prosa123
    @stillCARealist

    Also drug dealers and prostitutes that move through the apartment complexes looking for customers via texting.

    In the case of the hookers, that's a bad thing, how?

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    Excellent question since it’s not going to directly affect me or anyone else in my UMC setting. Someone in the apartment complex posted complaints because her son was out on parole and the prostitutes represent a myriad of ways in which he could find himself in hot water again.

    That’s the thing about crime and vice: it hurts those on the low end of the SES the most.

  88. @Anonymous
    @vinteuil


    In the short run, an overwhelming Biden victory would actually be a good thing.

    TPTB will immediately stop funding/supporting the “mostly peaceful” “protests” – so those will quickly dry up.

    Who knows – TPTB might even call off the covid panic, once it’s no longer useful in ridding them of this turbulent Trump.

    The long run, of course, is another matter entirely.
     
    In the short run, aborting the invasion of Normandy would actually be a good thing. The lives of all those boys would be spared. It would save at least 6,000 French lives that would be sacrificed by the errant artillery shells from our battleships that would atomize them before we stormed the beach.

    Who knows? Hitler and his cronies might even turn out to be okay guys!

    The long run, of course, is another matter entirely.


    Question: Do you believe in leaving any stupid thought unexpressed?

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @prosa123, @vinteuil

    In the short run, aborting the invasion of Normandy would actually be a good thing. The lives of all those boys would be spared. It would save at least 6,000 French lives that would be sacrificed by the errant artillery shells from our battleships that would atomize them before we stormed the beach.

    I take it this is intended as a parody of my views, meant to show how obviously wrong they are?

    How odd.

Comments are closed.

Subscribe to All Steve Sailer Comments via RSS