The Unz Review • An Alternative Media Selection
A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media
 TeasersiSteve Blog
NYT: Trump Goes Totally Nuts, Considers NOT Letting the Caravan in
Email This Page to Someone

 Remember My Information



=>

Bookmark Toggle AllToCAdd to LibraryRemove from Library • BShow CommentNext New CommentNext New ReplyRead More
ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
AgreeDisagreeThanksLOLTroll
These buttons register your public Agreement, Disagreement, Thanks, LOL, or Troll with the selected comment. They are ONLY available to recent, frequent commenters who have saved their Name+Email using the 'Remember My Information' checkbox, and may also ONLY be used three times during any eight hour period.
Ignore Commenter Follow Commenter
Search Text Case Sensitive  Exact Words  Include Comments
List of Bookmarks

From the New York Times news section:

Trump Considers Closing Southern Border to Migrants

The effort would be the starkest indication yet of President Trump’s election-season push to play to his anti-immigrant base.

It would also be the most drastic in a series of steps he has taken or threatened to take as he works to stoke fears of immigrants.

… The proposal amounts to a sweeping use of presidential power to fortify the border and impose the kind of aggressive immigration restrictions and enforcement measures that Mr. Trump has made his signature pursuit.

I mean, what’s the point of having a border if not to let any random mob march across it?

Commenter kihowi says, “the complaint seems to be that Trump, cynically, is using political issues to sway the election.”

The right of any mob from anywhere to march across our border any time they feel like it is too sacred to let Americans vote on it.

 
Hide 140 CommentsLeave a Comment
Commenters to Ignore...to FollowEndorsed Only
Trim Comments?
  1. This comes completely out of the blue!

  2. This is now the second article you copied here (sorry you couldn’t pay me to read the original) where the complaint seems to be that Trump, cynically, is using politial issues to sway the election.

    • LOL: Tyrion 2
  3. Trump is stupid — but he has a lot of company — they’re not coming to apply for citizenship, they’re coming to apply for asylum — as a signatory to the treaty on refugees and asylum, the US is obligated to give their applications a fair review — whatever that means — which is what Trump needs to define here — he and administration lawyers need to find a way to legally streamline the reviews, including denying any possible appeal to a quick decision to deny asylum/refugee status — then to preclude further cynical abuse of the treaty in this way, he should, if legally possible, abrogate the treaty so any future caravans either will never start or can be pushed back at the border — he has already said the US will not sign the ‘Global Pact for Migration’ next month.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1055527191235227648

    • Replies: @eah
    @eah

    Speaking of stupid NPC types:

    https://twitter.com/JohnKasich/status/1055547323814690816

    Replies: @eah, @miss marple, @Flip, @Svigor, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Charles Pewitt, @TheJester, @Charles Pewitt, @L Woods, @Reg Cæsar, @eah

    , @PiltdownMan
    @eah


    as a signatory to the treaty on refugees and asylum, the US is obligated to give their applications a fair review
     
    Isn't it actually Mexico that is obligated, ahead of us? How does that work, in terms of the UN treaty?

    I know that with the Syrian refugees, for instance, the UNHCR (UN High Commisioner for Refugees) pre-processed them, and then allocated a certain proportion to each signatory country to process.

    Shouldn't the process be working the same way for Central American "refugees" and "asylees?" Why are people assuming that are we on the hook to process all of them, rather than a combination of Mexico, the US, Canada and then other signatory countries?

    I've tried googling—inconclusively.

    Replies: @eah, @Anonymous

    , @utu
    @eah


    the US is obligated to give their applications a fair review
     
    I think they can hand then back directly to Mexican authorities because it was Mexico's obligation under the sam treaty to consider refugee application of those people.
    , @eah
    @eah

    The problem the West faces is bigger than individual politicians like Merkel -- so 'Merkelmussweg' (Merkel must go) was never going to be enough -- the UN 'Pact for Global Migration', due to be signed next month (Merkel/Germany intends to sign) shows that clearly.

    https://twitter.com/NorbertBolz/status/1055383809368211456

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Ed
    @eah

    The only stupid person associated with your comment is you. What needs to happen is that Republicans need to repeal or change asylum laws.

    , @notanon
    @eah


    as a signatory to the treaty on refugees and asylum, the US is obligated to give their applications a fair review
     
    no he doesn't

    refugees need to apply at the first safe country

    even better to just scrap the refugee treaty - just say "we're full" and tear it up on TV
    , @Mr. Anon
    @eah


    Trump is stupid — but he has a lot of company — they’re not coming to apply for citizenship, they’re coming to apply for asylum
     
    No, he is isn't stupid, nor is anyone else who is aware of this issue. Everyone knows that they are coming to apply for asylum, and everyone knows that the asylum thing is a scam. They'll file thier application, get a court date, be realeased into the country, and then disappear into "the shadows".
    , @pyrrhus
    @eah

    Wrong. These people are required to apply in the 1st country they enter, which is not the United States....But since the US doesn't pay any attention to treaties that are inconvenient, we should just ignore this one too....

    Replies: @eah

    , @Federalist
    @eah

    Trump knows that they are not applying for citizenship. Don't take everything literally.

    , @Lurker
    @eah

    If they're seeking asylum then the answer is simple - they have to do it in Mexico. Unless I've misunderstood the rules, the US is not obliged to take them at all.

    Replies: @eah

  4. @eah
    Trump is stupid -- but he has a lot of company -- they're not coming to apply for citizenship, they're coming to apply for asylum -- as a signatory to the treaty on refugees and asylum, the US is obligated to give their applications a fair review -- whatever that means -- which is what Trump needs to define here -- he and administration lawyers need to find a way to legally streamline the reviews, including denying any possible appeal to a quick decision to deny asylum/refugee status -- then to preclude further cynical abuse of the treaty in this way, he should, if legally possible, abrogate the treaty so any future caravans either will never start or can be pushed back at the border -- he has already said the US will not sign the 'Global Pact for Migration' next month.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1055527191235227648

    Replies: @eah, @PiltdownMan, @utu, @eah, @Ed, @notanon, @Mr. Anon, @pyrrhus, @Federalist, @Lurker

    Speaking of stupid NPC types:

    • Replies: @eah
    @eah

    In addition Trump needs to use investigative arms of the federal government -- assuming he can find enough people loyal to him and professional enough to do their jobs -- to uncover who is behind this latest caravan -- who is providing organizational and logistical support.

    Replies: @Guy De Champlagne, @Brutusale, @anon, @eah

    , @miss marple
    @eah

    Exactly. And that we can't identify Kasich's obvious Santa Claus syndrome as a pathology, priceless.

    White daddy loses his power and his country, goes broke, etc.

    Replies: @dvorak

    , @Flip
    @eah

    I'd rather have Bernie Sanders as president than Kasich. At least Sanders doesn't pretend to be on my side.

    Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster, @That Guy

    , @Svigor
    @eah

    How has that mope survived in the GOP this long?

    Purge him!

    , @Anonymous
    @eah

    John Kasich: Je suis Squatemalans

    John Kasich, who has never held a real job. Who went from an Ohio State bachelor’s degree in political science to 45 years as a politician. With a brief sinecure for a few years after Congress where he made $10 million from the now-defunct Lehman Brothers, only leaving after they declared bankruptcy.

    , @Anonymous
    @eah

    Come one, John Kasich is the only brave enough to come out and let us know John McCain was executed. I’m guessing Kasich dropped this bombshell in such a cavalier way so as to not alarm the American people this kind of tyrannical crap is going on, right under our noses!

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GoFgK9cajoU

    , @Charles Pewitt
    @eah

    I once confronted John Kasich at a presidential primary town hall meeting on his support for nation-wrecking mass immigration and his answer was that if it wasn't for mass immigration his ancestors wouldn't have been allowed into America.

    John Kasich is a rancid baby boomer politician whore who pushes open borders mass immigration and multicultural mayhem.

    The Pewitt campaign for president is looking forward to rhetorically pounding the snot out of John Kasich on mass immigration, national identity, globalization, financialization and a whole host of other issues.

    The Pewitt campaign will mildly rebuke President Trump on certain issues and then hammer the damn crud out of the GOP ruling class candidate who decides to challenge Trump. I hope to God it's Kasich, because my heart will be filled with joy as I rhetorically smash him.

    , @TheJester
    @eah

    In the end, I wonder how the Romans felt about the Germanic tribes pushing south into the Empire ... or, how the British feel about over 60 years of massive immigration on the part of blacks, Muslims, and Eastern Europeans to the point that London is now often euphemistically called Londonistan. (A challenge: Try to find someone British in London. I've tried many times without result.)

    One would think that people would learn from historical experiences so they don't have to face a new, uncomfortable reality on their own ... a reality they may not survive.

    , @Charles Pewitt
    @eah

    John Kasich pushes nation-wrecking open borders mass immigration and amnesty for illegal alien invaders.

    John Kasich is a member of the GOP Cheap Labor Faction.

    John Kasich is also a complete and total whore for the Neo-Conservative faction of the GOP.

    John Kasich pushes endless overseas war.

    Tweets from 2015:

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/649964398463856641

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/639202533450379264

    , @L Woods
    @eah

    Kasich is an upper-class parasite and political hack by the grace of God. He needs to stop putting up walls around his neighborhood and exclusionary institutional affiliations.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @eah

    The scary thing is that he's Governor of Ohio, the "Index State". That state has traditionally best mirrored the US as a whole. I hope that doesn't mean he's a harbinger of things to come.

    The only thing unique about Ohio that comes to mind is that it's the only state without a flag.

    The Ohio Burgee is not a flag. It's a pennant.

    http://www.netstate.com/states/symb/flags/oh_flag.htm

    https://www.worldatlas.com/r/w728-h425-c728x425/upload/8e/d2/38/shutterstock-549469321.jpg

    Replies: @That Guy, @Redneck farmer

    , @eah
    @eah

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqeJ7q_XQAAS3Ax.jpg

    Replies: @notanon

  5. It looks like it’s only partly, rather than entirely, being hashed out on twitter. So while unlikely there’s some chance of it being implemented, unlike all the policies that only exist as 2:00 am Trump twitter rampages. But if it is implemented, we know from past experience, that it’s going to be gratuitously sadistic and designed to elicit a media freakout, rather than address the problem in a rational, humane way. So it will get reversed after widespread outrage or a court ruling.

    But hopefully I’m wrong.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    @Guy De Champlagne

    Seems like concern trolling. Do you have snapshots of your voting ballots?

  6. @eah
    @eah

    Speaking of stupid NPC types:

    https://twitter.com/JohnKasich/status/1055547323814690816

    Replies: @eah, @miss marple, @Flip, @Svigor, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Charles Pewitt, @TheJester, @Charles Pewitt, @L Woods, @Reg Cæsar, @eah

    In addition Trump needs to use investigative arms of the federal government — assuming he can find enough people loyal to him and professional enough to do their jobs — to uncover who is behind this latest caravan — who is providing organizational and logistical support.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Guy De Champlagne
    @eah

    He needs to find a way, under existing laws, to go after employers and make them terrified to hire illegal workers. Who cares who, if anyone, is behind the caravan? There are tens of millions of illegal immigrants here because of greedy business people. Republicans need to get over this crude and stupid worship of commerce and wealth once and for all and accept the necessity of regulation. The solution is regulation.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @notanon

    , @Brutusale
    @eah

    Everything out of Chicago is crap (sorry, Steve):

    https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/pueblo-sin-fronteras/

    , @anon
    @eah

    over on The Conservative Treehouse they say that Mike Pence claims that Venezuela, China and Russia are behind it and all the readers apparently bought it, lol

    they don't allow criticism of (((you know who))) in the comments over there so....

    , @eah
    @eah

    ?

    https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1056324117329297409

    Replies: @eah, @eah

  7. @eah
    @eah

    Speaking of stupid NPC types:

    https://twitter.com/JohnKasich/status/1055547323814690816

    Replies: @eah, @miss marple, @Flip, @Svigor, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Charles Pewitt, @TheJester, @Charles Pewitt, @L Woods, @Reg Cæsar, @eah

    Exactly. And that we can’t identify Kasich’s obvious Santa Claus syndrome as a pathology, priceless.

    White daddy loses his power and his country, goes broke, etc.

    • Replies: @dvorak
    @miss marple


    And that we can’t identify Kasich’s obvious Santa Claus syndrome as a pathology, priceless.
     
    What's John Boehner's syndrome? After his daughter married a blue-collar or NEET Jamaican with long dreads, Boehner has become a cannabis advocate.

    I guess gay party drugs are a gateway to pot.
  8. • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Why didn't they disgrace him? He only created the most popular operating system in the world. Why shouldn't he have been publically disgraced on the basis of an evidence free "he said, she said" taking place in the context of an ongoing extra-marital affair?

    OTOH, Jewish American men seem to specialise in this sort of sexual clumsiness though I don't see many credible rape allegations. Even those against Harvey Weinstein are only substantiated when they're about him begging women to watch him masturbate into plant pots.

    As for Louis CK, Sarah Silverman just said he often asked her if he could do such a thing as she watched. She thought it was funny...which it is...but also sad. I can honestly say that such things never even crossed my mind until this raft of stories. Why do these blokes want to do this?

    Are they getting off on being humiliated?

    Perhaps they should have read more Chateau Heartiste.

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @Svigor, @ben tillman, @Steve Sailer

    , @Brutusale
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Wow, who'd have thought an organization full of Jews and desis would have a rash of sexual harassment cases?

    , @Svigor
    @YetAnotherAnon

    How Google Protected (((Andy Rubin))), the ‘Father of Android’

    #MeToo is an antisemitic pogrom!

    , @Jack D
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Women seem to like the current "sexual harassment as a crime (/fireable offense, expellable offense)" regime because it gives them tremendous heads I win/tails you lose power - sleep your way to the top, and then if the relationship doesn't pan out, then months or years later, report it and get the bastard fired/expelled/jailed.

    But this doesn't seem to be very fair to men.

    One possibility is to prohibit all sexual relationships between certain groups - executives and those they supervise, professors and students, etc. It seems to me that this infantilizes the "junior" partner (who is usually female) - she is no longer an adult free to choose to have a relationship with another adult. Unattractive women like this rule because it levels the playing field for them, but again, what is in it for others? I suppose the right to be "left alone" and not having your boss pester you for sex. But again as an adult you should be able to handle unwanted advances on your own, as women did in the past. Really I think the best thing to do would be to say "your personal relationships are just that - personal. We as your employer consider them none of our business. If your co-worker commits a crime (grabs you or rapes you), then bring it to the attention of the police and if he is convicted he will be fired, but until then it's none of our business. Y'all are adults and have to figure this stuff out for yourself the way you do with the rest of your personal life."

    But, even if we keep this whole questionable regime in place then at a minimum we need to put a MUCH shorter fuse on reporting. Here is the NYTimes summary of what led to Rubin's resignation:


    By 2013, she had cooled on him and wanted to break things off but worried it would affect her career, said the people. That March, she agreed to meet him at a hotel, where she said he pressured her into oral sex, they said. The incident ended the relationship.

    The woman waited until 2014 before filing a complaint to Google’s human resources department and telling officials about the relationship, the people said. Google began an investigation.
     
    I would say that the fuse on reporting should be EXTREMELY short - like 24 hours. Any longer and you get into seller's remorse type situations. The current situation where you can rat out your co-workers/fellow students/etc. YEARS later is ridiculous.

    Replies: @L Woods, @YetAnotherAnon, @Fred Boynton

  9. @eah
    Trump is stupid -- but he has a lot of company -- they're not coming to apply for citizenship, they're coming to apply for asylum -- as a signatory to the treaty on refugees and asylum, the US is obligated to give their applications a fair review -- whatever that means -- which is what Trump needs to define here -- he and administration lawyers need to find a way to legally streamline the reviews, including denying any possible appeal to a quick decision to deny asylum/refugee status -- then to preclude further cynical abuse of the treaty in this way, he should, if legally possible, abrogate the treaty so any future caravans either will never start or can be pushed back at the border -- he has already said the US will not sign the 'Global Pact for Migration' next month.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1055527191235227648

    Replies: @eah, @PiltdownMan, @utu, @eah, @Ed, @notanon, @Mr. Anon, @pyrrhus, @Federalist, @Lurker

    as a signatory to the treaty on refugees and asylum, the US is obligated to give their applications a fair review

    Isn’t it actually Mexico that is obligated, ahead of us? How does that work, in terms of the UN treaty?

    I know that with the Syrian refugees, for instance, the UNHCR (UN High Commisioner for Refugees) pre-processed them, and then allocated a certain proportion to each signatory country to process.

    Shouldn’t the process be working the same way for Central American “refugees” and “asylees?” Why are people assuming that are we on the hook to process all of them, rather than a combination of Mexico, the US, Canada and then other signatory countries?

    I’ve tried googling—inconclusively.

    • Agree: Marat
    • Replies: @eah
    @PiltdownMan

    Good observation -- normally they are supposed to apply for asylum/refugee status in the nearest/first 'safe' country -- but that rule has always been rather squishy: regularly ignored, difficult to enforce -- obviously some countries are 'safer' than others, ie more desirable, hence the cherry picking by asylum seekers -- in 2015 Merkel obliterated that rule/precedent, and then later had the nerve to demand a 'European solution' to the migrant tsunami she herself caused -- Merkel is a 'Demopublican' -- both stupid and evil.

    Replies: @notanon, @eah

    , @Anonymous
    @PiltdownMan

    My friend in Switzerland’s housekeeper is an illegal Mexican. He lives in a very small town, away from everything. He asked her how she decided to go all the way to Switzerland, and she said she looked up countries on the internet, and Switzerland seemed the nicest. Because of strict Swiss canon law, she'll NEVER become a Swiss citizen, I mean zero chance, but she doesn’t seem to care, and she’s a happy little camper there.

    Switzerland needs to take more of our Mexicans!

    Now that I'm thinking about it, I’m gonna tweet Trump about this!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  10. I’m wondering what form this will take when the invaders approach the border and the Army is there. How will our soldiers block them and keep them from getting their feet over the line and into our legal system?

    Will the soldiers stand shoulder-to-shoulder, perhaps holding shields like a Roman army or riot police? They certainly won’t shoot, probably won’t point guns.

    If they would just get there and start building some kind of, oh, I don’t know, wall, it would make their job easier.

    Why can’t the President just order the Army Corps of Engineers to build a wall?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Look.

    'Security' usually has no difficulty non violently handling massive, and sometimes hostile, crowds at sports/music events.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    , @International Jew
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Israel faced several such marches in the last 20 years, in fact since last April it's been a daily thing down at the Gaza frontier. The situation isn't all that different from what we're facing from this "caravan": thousands of people including women and children, lots of news media there to record it, marching on a border (of some kind). And, like the US Army (believe it or not) Israel doesn't consider mowing such people down with machinegun fire to be an option.

    So what do the Israelis do? They rely on tear gas. It's very unpleasant, and it'll discourage 99% of the people 100% of the time.

    The ones that still come at you after that, yeah, you have to shoot them. Though there's still no need to to kill them; snipers are there who can reliably hit the knees.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @SteveRogers42

  11. @eah
    @eah

    In addition Trump needs to use investigative arms of the federal government -- assuming he can find enough people loyal to him and professional enough to do their jobs -- to uncover who is behind this latest caravan -- who is providing organizational and logistical support.

    Replies: @Guy De Champlagne, @Brutusale, @anon, @eah

    He needs to find a way, under existing laws, to go after employers and make them terrified to hire illegal workers. Who cares who, if anyone, is behind the caravan? There are tens of millions of illegal immigrants here because of greedy business people. Republicans need to get over this crude and stupid worship of commerce and wealth once and for all and accept the necessity of regulation. The solution is regulation.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Guy De Champlagne

    Part of the solution is regulation.  It's far from the whole thing.

    , @notanon
    @Guy De Champlagne


    Who cares who, if anyone, is behind the caravan?
     
    the people behind the caravan will be some of the same people who bribe politicians to ignore illegal immigration.

    taking some of them out legally - as they'll all be involved in some kind of tax fraud - would send a message.
  12. Anonymous[667] • Disclaimer says:

    Basically, all the left/Economist have been trumpeting all these years is that the ‘right of property’, that it is the notion that individuals, legalistic personalities etc have the concept of legally recognised ‘exclusive posession’ of property, assets, institutions etc is not recognized.

    As the old saying goes, ‘property is nine tenths of the law’.

    Of course, the ‘right of ownership’ is the crucial collary to self determination, ‘freedom’ and the basis of capitalism. If one does not own the fruits of one’s labors, one is merely the slave and serf of that particular entity to which all fixed and portable assets are vested in.

    I often think of the paralell with Amazon, today’s most lucrative asset. Amazon exists and only exists, in its ‘tangible’ form, to channel cash to its owners – the stockholders. That is its sole raison d’etre, its entire purpose and justification. The only ‘walls’ Amazon has are to segregate stockholders from non stockholders. The first group it loves and cherishes. The latter it couldn’t give a shit about. Even if they were literally starving to death. This state of affairs is regarded as just, normal and good – those bastards at The Economist will never, ever lecture Amazon to f*ck over its stockholders, abolish the distinction with non stockholders and distribute profits to all those who ‘need’ them. But curiously, the same bastards advocate that nation states abolish the legitimate distinction between citizens and non citizens.

  13. @PiltdownMan
    @eah


    as a signatory to the treaty on refugees and asylum, the US is obligated to give their applications a fair review
     
    Isn't it actually Mexico that is obligated, ahead of us? How does that work, in terms of the UN treaty?

    I know that with the Syrian refugees, for instance, the UNHCR (UN High Commisioner for Refugees) pre-processed them, and then allocated a certain proportion to each signatory country to process.

    Shouldn't the process be working the same way for Central American "refugees" and "asylees?" Why are people assuming that are we on the hook to process all of them, rather than a combination of Mexico, the US, Canada and then other signatory countries?

    I've tried googling—inconclusively.

    Replies: @eah, @Anonymous

    Good observation — normally they are supposed to apply for asylum/refugee status in the nearest/first ‘safe’ country — but that rule has always been rather squishy: regularly ignored, difficult to enforce — obviously some countries are ‘safer’ than others, ie more desirable, hence the cherry picking by asylum seekers — in 2015 Merkel obliterated that rule/precedent, and then later had the nerve to demand a ‘European solution’ to the migrant tsunami she herself caused — Merkel is a ‘Demopublican’ — both stupid and evil.

    • Replies: @notanon
    @eah


    difficult to enforce
     
    it's not difficult to enforce - the problem is 1) politicians are bribed not to enforce it through campaign donations and 2) the media attacks anyone who tries - both of which stem from the same few hundred greedy sociopaths

    find a way to get them locked up and the problem goes away
    , @eah
    @eah

    stupid and evil

    https://twitter.com/V_of_Europe/status/1055850155281448960

  14. @Buzz Mohawk
    I'm wondering what form this will take when the invaders approach the border and the Army is there. How will our soldiers block them and keep them from getting their feet over the line and into our legal system?

    Will the soldiers stand shoulder-to-shoulder, perhaps holding shields like a Roman army or riot police? They certainly won't shoot, probably won't point guns.

    If they would just get there and start building some kind of, oh, I don't know, wall, it would make their job easier.

    Why can't the President just order the Army Corps of Engineers to build a wall?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @International Jew

    Look.

    ‘Security’ usually has no difficulty non violently handling massive, and sometimes hostile, crowds at sports/music events.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Anonymous


    ‘Security’ usually has no difficulty non violently handling massive, and sometimes hostile, crowds at sports/music events.
     
    They also have things like walls, fences and gates at the venues to help them control the crowds, and the people in the crowds plan to eventually go back home.

    Even then, sometimes there is violence. Imagine the video on CNN the first time a soldier has to club a fake refugee.

    Rather than a crowd at a game, this is more analogous to a team that is one yard away from a goal line that extends thousands of miles...

    ... And a game clock that goes to infinity. Do you propose we just keep our 'security' there doing crowd control out in the open forever? That is essentially what we have been doing. How's that workin' for ya?

    "Look." I'm fed up enough to be perfectly happy if American soldiers (and their counterparts in Europe) go ahead and shoot at invaders -- because they are invaders. Unfortunately, that would be bad optics. It's a good thing I'm not in charge.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @L Woods

  15. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT - Google ("be evil") joins the #MeToo ranks.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/technology/google-sexual-harassment-andy-rubin.html

    Replies: @Tyrion 2, @Brutusale, @Svigor, @Jack D

    Why didn’t they disgrace him? He only created the most popular operating system in the world. Why shouldn’t he have been publically disgraced on the basis of an evidence free “he said, she said” taking place in the context of an ongoing extra-marital affair?

    OTOH, Jewish American men seem to specialise in this sort of sexual clumsiness though I don’t see many credible rape allegations. Even those against Harvey Weinstein are only substantiated when they’re about him begging women to watch him masturbate into plant pots.

    As for Louis CK, Sarah Silverman just said he often asked her if he could do such a thing as she watched. She thought it was funny…which it is…but also sad. I can honestly say that such things never even crossed my mind until this raft of stories. Why do these blokes want to do this?

    Are they getting off on being humiliated?

    Perhaps they should have read more Chateau Heartiste.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    @Tyrion 2

    Siberman is such a shrew. She begs for laughs most of the time. As her 5-at-best beauty fades, she'll remember all the dumping she's been 'victim' to and her time with CK will become a violent rape complete with a money shot in the Left Eye. She's no different than all the other chicks at Hollywood High, she doesn't make the big money and she knows her hole is shrinking in value every day and she sin't happy about it. See: Kathy Griffin. Funny that it's always Jews with the oddball sexual shit going on, jerking in front of women, raping, paying off, every depravity there is, they engage it.

    These dudes, they could take a girl out to dinner and home to screw, for God's sake. That's all these broads want, they want their screwing with a little class. Guess it's too easy, not kinky enough. Got no sympathy for the women at Hollywood High. They knew what they were in for. They're just disappointed the good life came with a cost.

    Replies: @G. Wilkers, @anon

    , @Svigor
    @Tyrion 2

    Jews dindunuffin!

    Jews - the original dindus! A 3,000 year tradition! Take that, blacks!

    Replies: @Tyrion 2

    , @ben tillman
    @Tyrion 2


    Why didn’t they disgrace him? He only created the most popular operating system in the world. Why shouldn’t he have been publically disgraced on the basis of an evidence free “he said, she said” taking place in the context of an ongoing extra-marital affair?
     
    Exactly.
    , @Steve Sailer
    @Tyrion 2

    Louis CK evidently has the Flasher fetish, only rather than dressing in a raincoat and exposing himself to strange women, he exposes himself to women he knows.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  16. @eah
    Trump is stupid -- but he has a lot of company -- they're not coming to apply for citizenship, they're coming to apply for asylum -- as a signatory to the treaty on refugees and asylum, the US is obligated to give their applications a fair review -- whatever that means -- which is what Trump needs to define here -- he and administration lawyers need to find a way to legally streamline the reviews, including denying any possible appeal to a quick decision to deny asylum/refugee status -- then to preclude further cynical abuse of the treaty in this way, he should, if legally possible, abrogate the treaty so any future caravans either will never start or can be pushed back at the border -- he has already said the US will not sign the 'Global Pact for Migration' next month.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1055527191235227648

    Replies: @eah, @PiltdownMan, @utu, @eah, @Ed, @notanon, @Mr. Anon, @pyrrhus, @Federalist, @Lurker

    the US is obligated to give their applications a fair review

    I think they can hand then back directly to Mexican authorities because it was Mexico’s obligation under the sam treaty to consider refugee application of those people.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  17. Steve, I’m 100% on the side of you and Trump, and I harshly opposed and oppose Merkel for doing the reverse, but there’s one argument by the left I feel needs to be addressed. What if some of these people don’t let themselves be stopped by the army? The only logical next stop is to shoot at them. The question is: are we ready to do that?

    Should we shoot people who want to cross a border? We should be ready to answer that answer, too.

    Some will counter: “oh, they will just be taken by the army and returned to sender”. But let’s assume they won’t: what if they’re going to fight? Should they be shot?

    • Replies: @Another German Reader
    @Maciano

    Your question is the most basic aspect of power. Since the stone-age.

    The willingness to kill and having the men/women, who will execute this will and having leaders, who give those orders.

    This is where the West (or anyone else whatever the issue is) will begin to collapse or restore itself.

    Our Homo Erectus ancestors also had to decide: Kill the other humans to secure that water-hole/fishing ground or die. Somewhere in Eastern Africa.

    Our Cro-Magnon ancestors had to decide: Kill the other tribe/clan, who had mammoth meat, or starve. Somewhere in Southern France.

    Yes, it's that simple. It all boils down to this: Kill to survive or perish! This is human nature.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Paleo Liberal

    , @Mr. Rational
    @Maciano

    If they fight, they're combatants and we can shoot them.

    I much prefer passive measures as preliminaries, though.  Several layers of razor wire backed up by minefields would form a rather daunting gauntlet to run.  For first-level active measures, perhaps we can buy some "Skunk" invader repellent from the Israelis, and license the formula for wider use.

    Pressuring Mexico works too.  Threatening to close all border crossings near such terrorvans would hit Mexico in a bunch of ways, perhaps hard enough to get them to round up the whole lot and expel them into Guatemala.

    , @Anonym
    @Maciano

    Some will counter: “oh, they will just be taken by the army and returned to sender”. But let’s assume they won’t: what if they’re going to fight? Should they be shot?

    Yes. Brrrrp.

    I am not sure why the sanctity of brown people within a few miles of the border is so important vs over in Afghanistan or Iraq. We killed 150k violently in Iraq, what is 6k more invading brown people this time. Who tf cares?

    https://youtu.be/j0BG_GBOFTw

    Wait until all the journalists wade in, pretending like they actually care, and drop another one.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Maciano


    Some will counter: “oh, they will just be taken by the army and returned to sender”. But let’s assume they won’t: what if they’re going to fight? Should they be shot?
     
    Try to just walk through the border................of a courthouse or an airport. If you then resist when they try to detain you, you'll be restrained. If you violently resist, i.e. - fight - you will be shot. You try to fight a cop in this country over a traffic ticket and you can get shot.

    Yes, if they fight, they should be shot. Why should they be accorded softer treatment than any American citizen would get.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Anonymous
    @Maciano

    “... what if they’re going to fight? Should they be shot?”
    I dunno. Is Soros, et al, paying them to fight? Or just to march and try to cross? Will he pay them to get shot too? Sounds expensive, and billionaires tend to be cheap bastards.

    , @L Woods
    @Maciano

    Yes.

    , @ben tillman
    @Maciano


    Steve, I’m 100% on the side of you and Trump, and I harshly opposed and oppose Merkel for doing the reverse, but there’s one argument by the left I feel needs to be addressed. What if some of these people don’t let themselves be stopped by the army? The only logical next stop is to shoot at them. The question is: are we ready to do that?

    Should we shoot people who want to cross a border? We should be ready to answer that answer, too.

    Some will counter: “oh, they will just be taken by the army and returned to sender”. But let’s assume they won’t: what if they’re going to fight? Should they be shot?
     
    Yes, without hesitation.
    , @27 year old
    @Maciano


    But let’s assume they won’t: what if they’re going to fight? Should they be shot?
     
    1. We have extremely effective area denial weapon systems which are non-lethal. We paid hundreds of millions of dollars to develop these things.

    2. Yes they should be shot. Bonuses paid to the troops per kill.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Maciano


    Should they be shot?
     
    Yes-- with Instagram.

    Then posted. And cross-posted. On Facebook, where their future co-workers waste their time. And on LinkedIn, where their future employers will have no excuse for not knowing their origin.
    , @BB753
    @Maciano

    Of course they should be shot. If you tried to trespass on the White House with a gun you would be shot on sight. Similar situation.

    , @SteveRogers42
    @Maciano

    https://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=10899

  18. So imagine a 7000+ convoy of illegals coming to the border with the intent of walking right in, claiming this amorphous asylum, stepping up the the trough for every benefit there is and if you don’t like it, Screw Yourself.

    To which I ask, what would Israel do? China? Mexico? Russia? I think we know what they would do. The butcher’s bill would be enormous, which is why this isn’t done to those countries. What WE will do is what Europe has done. We will allow the impoverished Southern continent of our very own to empty out into the United States the same way Africa is emptying into Europe.

    Screw Yourself. Enjoy the new neighbors as they’re salted into the neighborhoods and cities of the U.S. via Section 8. We’re there now, what’s another 7000?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Jim Christian


    To which I ask, what would Israel do? China? Mexico? Russia? I think we know what they would do.
     
    yes, we already know what israel would do
  19. @Tyrion 2
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Why didn't they disgrace him? He only created the most popular operating system in the world. Why shouldn't he have been publically disgraced on the basis of an evidence free "he said, she said" taking place in the context of an ongoing extra-marital affair?

    OTOH, Jewish American men seem to specialise in this sort of sexual clumsiness though I don't see many credible rape allegations. Even those against Harvey Weinstein are only substantiated when they're about him begging women to watch him masturbate into plant pots.

    As for Louis CK, Sarah Silverman just said he often asked her if he could do such a thing as she watched. She thought it was funny...which it is...but also sad. I can honestly say that such things never even crossed my mind until this raft of stories. Why do these blokes want to do this?

    Are they getting off on being humiliated?

    Perhaps they should have read more Chateau Heartiste.

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @Svigor, @ben tillman, @Steve Sailer

    Siberman is such a shrew. She begs for laughs most of the time. As her 5-at-best beauty fades, she’ll remember all the dumping she’s been ‘victim’ to and her time with CK will become a violent rape complete with a money shot in the Left Eye. She’s no different than all the other chicks at Hollywood High, she doesn’t make the big money and she knows her hole is shrinking in value every day and she sin’t happy about it. See: Kathy Griffin. Funny that it’s always Jews with the oddball sexual shit going on, jerking in front of women, raping, paying off, every depravity there is, they engage it.

    These dudes, they could take a girl out to dinner and home to screw, for God’s sake. That’s all these broads want, they want their screwing with a little class. Guess it’s too easy, not kinky enough. Got no sympathy for the women at Hollywood High. They knew what they were in for. They’re just disappointed the good life came with a cost.

    • Replies: @G. Wilkers
    @Jim Christian

    Dude she's at least an 8. Talentless and unfunny, but give credit where it's due.

    Replies: @L Woods, @(((Owen)))

    , @anon
    @Jim Christian

    Louis CK sounds really jaded.
    Silverman is a victim, though, she's just too dumb to realise it.

  20. @eah
    Trump is stupid -- but he has a lot of company -- they're not coming to apply for citizenship, they're coming to apply for asylum -- as a signatory to the treaty on refugees and asylum, the US is obligated to give their applications a fair review -- whatever that means -- which is what Trump needs to define here -- he and administration lawyers need to find a way to legally streamline the reviews, including denying any possible appeal to a quick decision to deny asylum/refugee status -- then to preclude further cynical abuse of the treaty in this way, he should, if legally possible, abrogate the treaty so any future caravans either will never start or can be pushed back at the border -- he has already said the US will not sign the 'Global Pact for Migration' next month.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1055527191235227648

    Replies: @eah, @PiltdownMan, @utu, @eah, @Ed, @notanon, @Mr. Anon, @pyrrhus, @Federalist, @Lurker

    The problem the West faces is bigger than individual politicians like Merkel — so ‘Merkelmussweg’ (Merkel must go) was never going to be enough — the UN ‘Pact for Global Migration’, due to be signed next month (Merkel/Germany intends to sign) shows that clearly.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @eah

    It's funny how this so called 'pact' was never debated or approved by national parliaments.

    Replies: @eah

  21. Back to THE REAL WORLD : Trump is going to be forced to act, rather than just tweet. During this past summer, he has let the Central American illegals continue to border-jump. So the bleeding obvious happened : more Central American illegals border-jumping.

    During this past summer, the Supreme Court was tied 4-4. If Trump issues an Executive Order in November, blocking Central American border-jumpers, then Lefty Open Borders lawyers will sue the US government all the way up the line to Brett Kavanaugh (“I still like beer!”). Whitey had better pray that this remake of The Camp of the Saints is speedily resolved by the US Supreme Court- – – otherwise it will be never ending chaos at our southern border. What’s guaranteed is that “Sleepy Jeff” will manage to snooze his way through the whole thing. Here’s hoping that Trump fires his MIA Attorney General the Wednesday after Election Tuesday.

    Slightly OFF TOPIC, the pizza delivery man illegal, who was praised for doing a job that Americans won’t do, was arrested after beating the crap out of his US citizen wife, when she asked him for a divorce. News, which had once been front page news, wound up being buried in the back pages (Illegal Alien Jesus turns into garden-variety wife-beater).

  22. @eah
    Trump is stupid -- but he has a lot of company -- they're not coming to apply for citizenship, they're coming to apply for asylum -- as a signatory to the treaty on refugees and asylum, the US is obligated to give their applications a fair review -- whatever that means -- which is what Trump needs to define here -- he and administration lawyers need to find a way to legally streamline the reviews, including denying any possible appeal to a quick decision to deny asylum/refugee status -- then to preclude further cynical abuse of the treaty in this way, he should, if legally possible, abrogate the treaty so any future caravans either will never start or can be pushed back at the border -- he has already said the US will not sign the 'Global Pact for Migration' next month.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1055527191235227648

    Replies: @eah, @PiltdownMan, @utu, @eah, @Ed, @notanon, @Mr. Anon, @pyrrhus, @Federalist, @Lurker

    The only stupid person associated with your comment is you. What needs to happen is that Republicans need to repeal or change asylum laws.

  23. Treaty, schmeaty. To hell with all that legalistic folderol, to hell with the UN for which no American ever voted, and to hell with all that “huddled masses” gobbledygook. We elected Trump because he promised to cut the crap – the crap that our ruling class $ellout$ have dumped on us since 1965 to effect their Great Dispossession & Replacement of . . . us . . . in our own country.

    This approaching phalanx of foreigners is not a “caravan,” it’s an invasion column.

    President Trump should just invoke the Preamble: “…to provide for the common defense.” Without which there is no point to the Constitution, no point to our republic, no point to citizenship, and no point to anything at all except our supine toleration as doormats for anyone else on earth that gets a bug up his ass to come here and invade our sovereign soil.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational, jim jones
  24. @eah
    @eah

    Speaking of stupid NPC types:

    https://twitter.com/JohnKasich/status/1055547323814690816

    Replies: @eah, @miss marple, @Flip, @Svigor, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Charles Pewitt, @TheJester, @Charles Pewitt, @L Woods, @Reg Cæsar, @eah

    I’d rather have Bernie Sanders as president than Kasich. At least Sanders doesn’t pretend to be on my side.

    • Agree: Simply Simon
    • Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster
    @Flip

    Yes, Bernie is just your standard leftie dummie: Kasich is a bloodless sellout.

    , @That Guy
    @Flip

    I see your point but I actually think the opposite is true. Sanders does pretend to be on our side, at least on economic issues. It's 'conservatives' like Kasich who aren't even trying to pretend anymore. The mask is pretty much all the way off at this point. Also Kasich's lurch to the left has predictably won him little to no real support on the left. Same thing with the neocon/weekly standard gang. Everybody here knows that and they probably do too. And they still don't care.

  25. Dear NYT editorial board:
    Don’t worry. Keeping out the illegal aliens isn’t going to be followed by Sending You Back. Although it should.
    Sincerely,
    REDNECK FARMER

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  26. @Maciano
    Steve, I'm 100% on the side of you and Trump, and I harshly opposed and oppose Merkel for doing the reverse, but there's one argument by the left I feel needs to be addressed. What if some of these people don't let themselves be stopped by the army? The only logical next stop is to shoot at them. The question is: are we ready to do that?

    Should we shoot people who want to cross a border? We should be ready to answer that answer, too.

    Some will counter: "oh, they will just be taken by the army and returned to sender". But let's assume they won't: what if they're going to fight? Should they be shot?

    Replies: @Another German Reader, @Mr. Rational, @Anonym, @Mr. Anon, @Anonymous, @L Woods, @ben tillman, @27 year old, @Reg Cæsar, @BB753, @SteveRogers42

    Your question is the most basic aspect of power. Since the stone-age.

    The willingness to kill and having the men/women, who will execute this will and having leaders, who give those orders.

    This is where the West (or anyone else whatever the issue is) will begin to collapse or restore itself.

    Our Homo Erectus ancestors also had to decide: Kill the other humans to secure that water-hole/fishing ground or die. Somewhere in Eastern Africa.

    Our Cro-Magnon ancestors had to decide: Kill the other tribe/clan, who had mammoth meat, or starve. Somewhere in Southern France.

    Yes, it’s that simple. It all boils down to this: Kill to survive or perish! This is human nature.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Another German Reader


    Yes, it’s that simple. It all boils down to this: Kill to survive or perish! This is human nature.
     
    Nope. There was plenty of fish and mammoth meat to go around back then. It wasn't necessary to kill other humans in order to eat.

    Replies: @Another German Reader, @athEIst

    , @Paleo Liberal
    @Another German Reader

    Among American Indian tribes, the penalty for trespassing on another tribe’s land was death. That sometimes meant three days of torture followed by burning at the stake.

    I get annoyed when open borders advocates say we should have the Indians’ immigration policies, without having a clue as to what those policies were.

    I am not advocating torturing all illegal aliens and burning them at the stake. I am just clarifying what the real Indians did, as opposed to the imaginary Noble Savage Red Man.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  27. @Guy De Champlagne
    @eah

    He needs to find a way, under existing laws, to go after employers and make them terrified to hire illegal workers. Who cares who, if anyone, is behind the caravan? There are tens of millions of illegal immigrants here because of greedy business people. Republicans need to get over this crude and stupid worship of commerce and wealth once and for all and accept the necessity of regulation. The solution is regulation.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @notanon

    Part of the solution is regulation.  It’s far from the whole thing.

  28. @Maciano
    Steve, I'm 100% on the side of you and Trump, and I harshly opposed and oppose Merkel for doing the reverse, but there's one argument by the left I feel needs to be addressed. What if some of these people don't let themselves be stopped by the army? The only logical next stop is to shoot at them. The question is: are we ready to do that?

    Should we shoot people who want to cross a border? We should be ready to answer that answer, too.

    Some will counter: "oh, they will just be taken by the army and returned to sender". But let's assume they won't: what if they're going to fight? Should they be shot?

    Replies: @Another German Reader, @Mr. Rational, @Anonym, @Mr. Anon, @Anonymous, @L Woods, @ben tillman, @27 year old, @Reg Cæsar, @BB753, @SteveRogers42

    If they fight, they’re combatants and we can shoot them.

    I much prefer passive measures as preliminaries, though.  Several layers of razor wire backed up by minefields would form a rather daunting gauntlet to run.  For first-level active measures, perhaps we can buy some “Skunk” invader repellent from the Israelis, and license the formula for wider use.

    Pressuring Mexico works too.  Threatening to close all border crossings near such terrorvans would hit Mexico in a bunch of ways, perhaps hard enough to get them to round up the whole lot and expel them into Guatemala.

  29. the only way to prevent the destruction of the USA is for Trump to deport the people who own and write for the NYT

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
    @notanon

    You are giving the NYT far too much credit to influence anything of importance to our society.

  30. @eah
    Trump is stupid -- but he has a lot of company -- they're not coming to apply for citizenship, they're coming to apply for asylum -- as a signatory to the treaty on refugees and asylum, the US is obligated to give their applications a fair review -- whatever that means -- which is what Trump needs to define here -- he and administration lawyers need to find a way to legally streamline the reviews, including denying any possible appeal to a quick decision to deny asylum/refugee status -- then to preclude further cynical abuse of the treaty in this way, he should, if legally possible, abrogate the treaty so any future caravans either will never start or can be pushed back at the border -- he has already said the US will not sign the 'Global Pact for Migration' next month.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1055527191235227648

    Replies: @eah, @PiltdownMan, @utu, @eah, @Ed, @notanon, @Mr. Anon, @pyrrhus, @Federalist, @Lurker

    as a signatory to the treaty on refugees and asylum, the US is obligated to give their applications a fair review

    no he doesn’t

    refugees need to apply at the first safe country

    even better to just scrap the refugee treaty – just say “we’re full” and tear it up on TV

  31. The mob heading our way, as the Trump-hating NYT, WP, CNN and the Democrats lecture us, belongs the most revered class of human beings — victims. Being a victim means, “I’m ok, but you’re a xxxx, fill in the blank, like Hillary in 2016 — “racist” “sexist” … “you name it.” Of course, there is a caste-system for victims, and “you name it” keeps the system open for aggressive entrepreneurs but its an increasingly competitive business and how works is not completely clear, except for those at the very top.

    See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2018/10/my-victimhood-is-bigger-than-yours-or.html

  32. @Guy De Champlagne
    @eah

    He needs to find a way, under existing laws, to go after employers and make them terrified to hire illegal workers. Who cares who, if anyone, is behind the caravan? There are tens of millions of illegal immigrants here because of greedy business people. Republicans need to get over this crude and stupid worship of commerce and wealth once and for all and accept the necessity of regulation. The solution is regulation.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @notanon

    Who cares who, if anyone, is behind the caravan?

    the people behind the caravan will be some of the same people who bribe politicians to ignore illegal immigration.

    taking some of them out legally – as they’ll all be involved in some kind of tax fraud – would send a message.

  33. @Flip
    @eah

    I'd rather have Bernie Sanders as president than Kasich. At least Sanders doesn't pretend to be on my side.

    Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster, @That Guy

    Yes, Bernie is just your standard leftie dummie: Kasich is a bloodless sellout.

  34. @eah
    @PiltdownMan

    Good observation -- normally they are supposed to apply for asylum/refugee status in the nearest/first 'safe' country -- but that rule has always been rather squishy: regularly ignored, difficult to enforce -- obviously some countries are 'safer' than others, ie more desirable, hence the cherry picking by asylum seekers -- in 2015 Merkel obliterated that rule/precedent, and then later had the nerve to demand a 'European solution' to the migrant tsunami she herself caused -- Merkel is a 'Demopublican' -- both stupid and evil.

    Replies: @notanon, @eah

    difficult to enforce

    it’s not difficult to enforce – the problem is 1) politicians are bribed not to enforce it through campaign donations and 2) the media attacks anyone who tries – both of which stem from the same few hundred greedy sociopaths

    find a way to get them locked up and the problem goes away

  35. @eah
    @eah

    The problem the West faces is bigger than individual politicians like Merkel -- so 'Merkelmussweg' (Merkel must go) was never going to be enough -- the UN 'Pact for Global Migration', due to be signed next month (Merkel/Germany intends to sign) shows that clearly.

    https://twitter.com/NorbertBolz/status/1055383809368211456

    Replies: @Anonymous

    It’s funny how this so called ‘pact’ was never debated or approved by national parliaments.

    • Replies: @eah
    @Anonymous

    That's pretty much true, at least in Germany, where in fact it is worse than that: they completely removed a petition asking the German government not to sign the pact from the website of the Bundestag.

    https://twitter.com/Netzdenunziant/status/1055862800982200321

  36. Anon[368] • Disclaimer says:

    How would this not just be shut down with an injunction by the 4th or 9th circuit court the next day?

    At some point Trump needs to express his inner Hitler and not let the court prior restrain him or he’ll never get anything done.

    And the left wants this! The left is suffering massive cognitive dissonance leading to mental illness. Trump is the worst Hitler ever. “Muslim ban injunction? … I’ll … I’ll … I‘ll show them. We’re going to appeal! Take that!”

    If Trump does some sort of state of emergency thing, the left will spray out so much orgasmic cum that the entire country will be sticky for the next 30 years. “I told you so, I told you so! Now I’m really moving to Canada!” The mental health of the left will be substantially ameliorated.

  37. @Anonymous
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Look.

    'Security' usually has no difficulty non violently handling massive, and sometimes hostile, crowds at sports/music events.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    ‘Security’ usually has no difficulty non violently handling massive, and sometimes hostile, crowds at sports/music events.

    They also have things like walls, fences and gates at the venues to help them control the crowds, and the people in the crowds plan to eventually go back home.

    Even then, sometimes there is violence. Imagine the video on CNN the first time a soldier has to club a fake refugee.

    Rather than a crowd at a game, this is more analogous to a team that is one yard away from a goal line that extends thousands of miles…

    … And a game clock that goes to infinity. Do you propose we just keep our ‘security’ there doing crowd control out in the open forever? That is essentially what we have been doing. How’s that workin’ for ya?

    “Look.” I’m fed up enough to be perfectly happy if American soldiers (and their counterparts in Europe) go ahead and shoot at invaders — because they are invaders. Unfortunately, that would be bad optics. It’s a good thing I’m not in charge.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Too little thought is being devoted to this. Let's say we go with the Left's precious feelings and let them in, how do you turn down the next 10,000? The next 1 million? 10 million? In a world of 9 billion people I can easily see half a billion who would scrape up the money to get here if the drawbridge was down. Americans are not prepared for that. We were telling each other we were overcrowded 120 million people ago.

    Mattis says he's deploying 800 troops. To do what--set up the tents for each other? Dig the latrine? A quarter of them will have to set up a perimeter to protect the border operations from the loony lefties who will show up to run physical interference on the operations. How violent will the loons get? Will live ammo be involved? Maybe Mattis thinks he's Pizarro with several hundred hard, greedy conquistadores behind him. Maybe they'll all be Special Forces but I doubt it--those guys are off doing the important work, guarding the Fulda Gap and downtown Kabul.

    Your comment about barriers at venues is astute. We should definitely build a wall, any wall. Chain link and barbed wire will do. Then you've got a line in the sand and you have people patrol it.

    , @L Woods
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Who cares about "bad optics." "Bad optics" didn't stop the neocons from invading Iraq, but it does stop them from actually defending the country. Funny how that works.

  38. @Maciano
    Steve, I'm 100% on the side of you and Trump, and I harshly opposed and oppose Merkel for doing the reverse, but there's one argument by the left I feel needs to be addressed. What if some of these people don't let themselves be stopped by the army? The only logical next stop is to shoot at them. The question is: are we ready to do that?

    Should we shoot people who want to cross a border? We should be ready to answer that answer, too.

    Some will counter: "oh, they will just be taken by the army and returned to sender". But let's assume they won't: what if they're going to fight? Should they be shot?

    Replies: @Another German Reader, @Mr. Rational, @Anonym, @Mr. Anon, @Anonymous, @L Woods, @ben tillman, @27 year old, @Reg Cæsar, @BB753, @SteveRogers42

    Some will counter: “oh, they will just be taken by the army and returned to sender”. But let’s assume they won’t: what if they’re going to fight? Should they be shot?

    Yes. Brrrrp.

    I am not sure why the sanctity of brown people within a few miles of the border is so important vs over in Afghanistan or Iraq. We killed 150k violently in Iraq, what is 6k more invading brown people this time. Who tf cares?

    Wait until all the journalists wade in, pretending like they actually care, and drop another one.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
  39. Borders are just a convenient marker for where the power to tax begins and ends; but since the US insists on taxing its citizens and residents worldwide, and pretty much everyone in the world is now entitled to admission to US residency, I guess the border is pointless. At this point, let’s just send the welfare checks and SNAP cards to Central America and the rest of the world and save them the hassle of making the trip and save us the decline of our country, and on the flip side we can sic the IRS on the middle class of the RoW. We can borrow the deficit from the RoW. IOW, Business as usual.

  40. @eah
    @eah

    In addition Trump needs to use investigative arms of the federal government -- assuming he can find enough people loyal to him and professional enough to do their jobs -- to uncover who is behind this latest caravan -- who is providing organizational and logistical support.

    Replies: @Guy De Champlagne, @Brutusale, @anon, @eah

    Everything out of Chicago is crap (sorry, Steve):

    https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/pueblo-sin-fronteras/

  41. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT - Google ("be evil") joins the #MeToo ranks.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/technology/google-sexual-harassment-andy-rubin.html

    Replies: @Tyrion 2, @Brutusale, @Svigor, @Jack D

    Wow, who’d have thought an organization full of Jews and desis would have a rash of sexual harassment cases?

  42. Rewritten in English for Americans:

    Trump Considers Closing Southern Border to Migrants

    The effort would be the strongest indication yet of President Trump’s election-season push to play to his pro-American base.

    It would also be the most meaningful in a series of steps he has taken or promised to take as he works to solve the immigration problem.

    … The proposal amounts to a use of presidential power to fortify the border and impose the kind of reasonable immigration restrictions and enforcement measures that Mr. Trump has made his signature pursuit.

  43. @eah
    @eah

    Speaking of stupid NPC types:

    https://twitter.com/JohnKasich/status/1055547323814690816

    Replies: @eah, @miss marple, @Flip, @Svigor, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Charles Pewitt, @TheJester, @Charles Pewitt, @L Woods, @Reg Cæsar, @eah

    How has that mope survived in the GOP this long?

    Purge him!

  44. @Guy De Champlagne
    It looks like it's only partly, rather than entirely, being hashed out on twitter. So while unlikely there's some chance of it being implemented, unlike all the policies that only exist as 2:00 am Trump twitter rampages. But if it is implemented, we know from past experience, that it's going to be gratuitously sadistic and designed to elicit a media freakout, rather than address the problem in a rational, humane way. So it will get reversed after widespread outrage or a court ruling.


    But hopefully I'm wrong.

    Replies: @Svigor

    Seems like concern trolling. Do you have snapshots of your voting ballots?

  45. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT - Google ("be evil") joins the #MeToo ranks.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/technology/google-sexual-harassment-andy-rubin.html

    Replies: @Tyrion 2, @Brutusale, @Svigor, @Jack D

  46. @Tyrion 2
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Why didn't they disgrace him? He only created the most popular operating system in the world. Why shouldn't he have been publically disgraced on the basis of an evidence free "he said, she said" taking place in the context of an ongoing extra-marital affair?

    OTOH, Jewish American men seem to specialise in this sort of sexual clumsiness though I don't see many credible rape allegations. Even those against Harvey Weinstein are only substantiated when they're about him begging women to watch him masturbate into plant pots.

    As for Louis CK, Sarah Silverman just said he often asked her if he could do such a thing as she watched. She thought it was funny...which it is...but also sad. I can honestly say that such things never even crossed my mind until this raft of stories. Why do these blokes want to do this?

    Are they getting off on being humiliated?

    Perhaps they should have read more Chateau Heartiste.

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @Svigor, @ben tillman, @Steve Sailer

    Jews dindunuffin!

    Jews – the original dindus! A 3,000 year tradition! Take that, blacks!

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    @Svigor

    Nuance isn't dindu. I guess it is too complicated for you though.

    Replies: @Anon

  47. I reviewed a number of news websites yesterday late afternoon, and the “pipe bomb” farce appeared to have almost completely removed the caravan from the headlines. I tend to overdo the conspiracy theories in my own head, but did the backers of the caravan notice that they weren’t making headway and decide they needed something to get people thinking about something else? In looking at the websites, I also noticed there were stories about how the caravan was slowly diminishing, which came on the heels of Trump’s claim that Middle Easterners were in the caravan.

  48. Anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:
    @eah
    @eah

    Speaking of stupid NPC types:

    https://twitter.com/JohnKasich/status/1055547323814690816

    Replies: @eah, @miss marple, @Flip, @Svigor, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Charles Pewitt, @TheJester, @Charles Pewitt, @L Woods, @Reg Cæsar, @eah

    John Kasich: Je suis Squatemalans

    John Kasich, who has never held a real job. Who went from an Ohio State bachelor’s degree in political science to 45 years as a politician. With a brief sinecure for a few years after Congress where he made $10 million from the now-defunct Lehman Brothers, only leaving after they declared bankruptcy.

  49. @Another German Reader
    @Maciano

    Your question is the most basic aspect of power. Since the stone-age.

    The willingness to kill and having the men/women, who will execute this will and having leaders, who give those orders.

    This is where the West (or anyone else whatever the issue is) will begin to collapse or restore itself.

    Our Homo Erectus ancestors also had to decide: Kill the other humans to secure that water-hole/fishing ground or die. Somewhere in Eastern Africa.

    Our Cro-Magnon ancestors had to decide: Kill the other tribe/clan, who had mammoth meat, or starve. Somewhere in Southern France.

    Yes, it's that simple. It all boils down to this: Kill to survive or perish! This is human nature.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Paleo Liberal

    Yes, it’s that simple. It all boils down to this: Kill to survive or perish! This is human nature.

    Nope. There was plenty of fish and mammoth meat to go around back then. It wasn’t necessary to kill other humans in order to eat.

    • Replies: @Another German Reader
    @Anonymous

    Look, who we have here.

    Akhsshhhullllyyyy. But the data says..

    Humans are territorial animals. Only idiots, who live sheltered lives in industrial countries deny the nature of man.

    Unz.com comment-section is heavyweight-class, don't come in here, if you can't distinquish between figuratively speaking and literally speaking!

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @athEIst
    @Anonymous

    There was plenty of fish and mammoth meat to go around back then.

    As Malthus pointed out about 250 yrs ago, all non-industrial societies become malthusian traps. One or two generations with "plenty" anything will remove that "plenty".

  50. Anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:
    @eah
    @eah

    Speaking of stupid NPC types:

    https://twitter.com/JohnKasich/status/1055547323814690816

    Replies: @eah, @miss marple, @Flip, @Svigor, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Charles Pewitt, @TheJester, @Charles Pewitt, @L Woods, @Reg Cæsar, @eah

    Come one, John Kasich is the only brave enough to come out and let us know John McCain was executed. I’m guessing Kasich dropped this bombshell in such a cavalier way so as to not alarm the American people this kind of tyrannical crap is going on, right under our noses!

  51. I would have thought that just machine-gunning the invading hordes as they approach the border and leaving the leached bones to be picked over by vultures where they fall would do the trick and act as a deterrent to future invading hordes.

    However, for various reasons such as fake news coverage this action is not considered acceptable, suggesting that for all the rhetoric, this is not really a true invasion that threatens the ongoing existence and security of the United States.

    It is more like having flies enter my house if I leave the front door open, and then needed to put up fly papers to catch them after they have invaded my living space and attempted to create birthright houseflies in the next generation.

    In the past the US has invaded neighbors such as the Dominican Republic and Haiti when they have been deemed ungovernable, and took over control of the internal security forces. Perhaps United States and UN peacekeeping forces need to occupy places like Guatemala and Honduras to protect local citizens from criminal gangs, or capture and intern the criminal gangs in Guantanamo Bay.

    After all, prisons in the US are already crammed full of gangsters, many of them from Central America, so we already have the know-how and just need to export it.

    Or then again, Congress and the Executive Branch could enact legislation taking the US out of any and all international refugee treaties, but apparently chooses not to do so. It could also reinforce the laws that make it illegal to provide employment to illegals. Once a few top corporate executives were seen serving hard time in prisons filled with Central American gangs, most likely some big changes would come down the pike in short order.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Jonathan Mason

    However, for various reasons such as fake news coverage this action is not considered acceptable, suggesting that for all the rhetoric, this is not really a true invasion that threatens the ongoing existence and security of the United States.

    No, it is just that thing - an invasion. It just doesn't threaten the existence and security of the people who control and/or govern the United States, so they don't care.

    , @Paleo Liberal
    @Jonathan Mason

    The Thais tried land mines and machine guns to keep out Cambodians feeling rhe Khmer Rouge, and the Vietnamese occupation army afterwards, and they still had crowded refugee camps.

    But those people were real refugees who were fleeing a regime that managed to kill anywhere from 1/4 to 1/2 of its people in a short time.

    A Cambodian refugee told me her family walked barefoot through the mine fields at night so the Thais couldn’t see them to shoot at them. There was a better chance of survival with a mine field than staying in Cambodia.

    Ask yourself if the Central Americans would risk mine fields, or if they would decide to seek asylum in Mexico

  52. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Anonymous


    ‘Security’ usually has no difficulty non violently handling massive, and sometimes hostile, crowds at sports/music events.
     
    They also have things like walls, fences and gates at the venues to help them control the crowds, and the people in the crowds plan to eventually go back home.

    Even then, sometimes there is violence. Imagine the video on CNN the first time a soldier has to club a fake refugee.

    Rather than a crowd at a game, this is more analogous to a team that is one yard away from a goal line that extends thousands of miles...

    ... And a game clock that goes to infinity. Do you propose we just keep our 'security' there doing crowd control out in the open forever? That is essentially what we have been doing. How's that workin' for ya?

    "Look." I'm fed up enough to be perfectly happy if American soldiers (and their counterparts in Europe) go ahead and shoot at invaders -- because they are invaders. Unfortunately, that would be bad optics. It's a good thing I'm not in charge.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @L Woods

    Too little thought is being devoted to this. Let’s say we go with the Left’s precious feelings and let them in, how do you turn down the next 10,000? The next 1 million? 10 million? In a world of 9 billion people I can easily see half a billion who would scrape up the money to get here if the drawbridge was down. Americans are not prepared for that. We were telling each other we were overcrowded 120 million people ago.

    Mattis says he’s deploying 800 troops. To do what–set up the tents for each other? Dig the latrine? A quarter of them will have to set up a perimeter to protect the border operations from the loony lefties who will show up to run physical interference on the operations. How violent will the loons get? Will live ammo be involved? Maybe Mattis thinks he’s Pizarro with several hundred hard, greedy conquistadores behind him. Maybe they’ll all be Special Forces but I doubt it–those guys are off doing the important work, guarding the Fulda Gap and downtown Kabul.

    Your comment about barriers at venues is astute. We should definitely build a wall, any wall. Chain link and barbed wire will do. Then you’ve got a line in the sand and you have people patrol it.

  53. @eah
    @eah

    Speaking of stupid NPC types:

    https://twitter.com/JohnKasich/status/1055547323814690816

    Replies: @eah, @miss marple, @Flip, @Svigor, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Charles Pewitt, @TheJester, @Charles Pewitt, @L Woods, @Reg Cæsar, @eah

    I once confronted John Kasich at a presidential primary town hall meeting on his support for nation-wrecking mass immigration and his answer was that if it wasn’t for mass immigration his ancestors wouldn’t have been allowed into America.

    John Kasich is a rancid baby boomer politician whore who pushes open borders mass immigration and multicultural mayhem.

    The Pewitt campaign for president is looking forward to rhetorically pounding the snot out of John Kasich on mass immigration, national identity, globalization, financialization and a whole host of other issues.

    The Pewitt campaign will mildly rebuke President Trump on certain issues and then hammer the damn crud out of the GOP ruling class candidate who decides to challenge Trump. I hope to God it’s Kasich, because my heart will be filled with joy as I rhetorically smash him.

  54. @eah
    Trump is stupid -- but he has a lot of company -- they're not coming to apply for citizenship, they're coming to apply for asylum -- as a signatory to the treaty on refugees and asylum, the US is obligated to give their applications a fair review -- whatever that means -- which is what Trump needs to define here -- he and administration lawyers need to find a way to legally streamline the reviews, including denying any possible appeal to a quick decision to deny asylum/refugee status -- then to preclude further cynical abuse of the treaty in this way, he should, if legally possible, abrogate the treaty so any future caravans either will never start or can be pushed back at the border -- he has already said the US will not sign the 'Global Pact for Migration' next month.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1055527191235227648

    Replies: @eah, @PiltdownMan, @utu, @eah, @Ed, @notanon, @Mr. Anon, @pyrrhus, @Federalist, @Lurker

    Trump is stupid — but he has a lot of company — they’re not coming to apply for citizenship, they’re coming to apply for asylum

    No, he is isn’t stupid, nor is anyone else who is aware of this issue. Everyone knows that they are coming to apply for asylum, and everyone knows that the asylum thing is a scam. They’ll file thier application, get a court date, be realeased into the country, and then disappear into “the shadows”.

    • Agree: Clyde
  55. @Maciano
    Steve, I'm 100% on the side of you and Trump, and I harshly opposed and oppose Merkel for doing the reverse, but there's one argument by the left I feel needs to be addressed. What if some of these people don't let themselves be stopped by the army? The only logical next stop is to shoot at them. The question is: are we ready to do that?

    Should we shoot people who want to cross a border? We should be ready to answer that answer, too.

    Some will counter: "oh, they will just be taken by the army and returned to sender". But let's assume they won't: what if they're going to fight? Should they be shot?

    Replies: @Another German Reader, @Mr. Rational, @Anonym, @Mr. Anon, @Anonymous, @L Woods, @ben tillman, @27 year old, @Reg Cæsar, @BB753, @SteveRogers42

    Some will counter: “oh, they will just be taken by the army and returned to sender”. But let’s assume they won’t: what if they’re going to fight? Should they be shot?

    Try to just walk through the border…………….of a courthouse or an airport. If you then resist when they try to detain you, you’ll be restrained. If you violently resist, i.e. – fight – you will be shot. You try to fight a cop in this country over a traffic ticket and you can get shot.

    Yes, if they fight, they should be shot. Why should they be accorded softer treatment than any American citizen would get.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Mr. Anon

    AGREED!, Mr. Anon, that was the best answer yet.

  56. @eah
    Trump is stupid -- but he has a lot of company -- they're not coming to apply for citizenship, they're coming to apply for asylum -- as a signatory to the treaty on refugees and asylum, the US is obligated to give their applications a fair review -- whatever that means -- which is what Trump needs to define here -- he and administration lawyers need to find a way to legally streamline the reviews, including denying any possible appeal to a quick decision to deny asylum/refugee status -- then to preclude further cynical abuse of the treaty in this way, he should, if legally possible, abrogate the treaty so any future caravans either will never start or can be pushed back at the border -- he has already said the US will not sign the 'Global Pact for Migration' next month.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1055527191235227648

    Replies: @eah, @PiltdownMan, @utu, @eah, @Ed, @notanon, @Mr. Anon, @pyrrhus, @Federalist, @Lurker

    Wrong. These people are required to apply in the 1st country they enter, which is not the United States….But since the US doesn’t pay any attention to treaties that are inconvenient, we should just ignore this one too….

    • Replies: @eah
    @pyrrhus

    What am I wrong about?

    I know about the first/nearest 'safe country' rule -- that rule is generally not enforceable, and it is generally not enforced -- assume Mexico is a 'safe country', also that they will not do the following voluntarily (they won't): how do you intend to force Mexico to stop the caravan and compel all the people in it to apply for asylum in Mexico?

    Replies: @notanon, @Mr. Rational

  57. @Jonathan Mason
    I would have thought that just machine-gunning the invading hordes as they approach the border and leaving the leached bones to be picked over by vultures where they fall would do the trick and act as a deterrent to future invading hordes.

    However, for various reasons such as fake news coverage this action is not considered acceptable, suggesting that for all the rhetoric, this is not really a true invasion that threatens the ongoing existence and security of the United States.

    It is more like having flies enter my house if I leave the front door open, and then needed to put up fly papers to catch them after they have invaded my living space and attempted to create birthright houseflies in the next generation.

    In the past the US has invaded neighbors such as the Dominican Republic and Haiti when they have been deemed ungovernable, and took over control of the internal security forces. Perhaps United States and UN peacekeeping forces need to occupy places like Guatemala and Honduras to protect local citizens from criminal gangs, or capture and intern the criminal gangs in Guantanamo Bay.

    After all, prisons in the US are already crammed full of gangsters, many of them from Central America, so we already have the know-how and just need to export it.

    Or then again, Congress and the Executive Branch could enact legislation taking the US out of any and all international refugee treaties, but apparently chooses not to do so. It could also reinforce the laws that make it illegal to provide employment to illegals. Once a few top corporate executives were seen serving hard time in prisons filled with Central American gangs, most likely some big changes would come down the pike in short order.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Paleo Liberal

    However, for various reasons such as fake news coverage this action is not considered acceptable, suggesting that for all the rhetoric, this is not really a true invasion that threatens the ongoing existence and security of the United States.

    No, it is just that thing – an invasion. It just doesn’t threaten the existence and security of the people who control and/or govern the United States, so they don’t care.

  58. @eah
    @eah

    Speaking of stupid NPC types:

    https://twitter.com/JohnKasich/status/1055547323814690816

    Replies: @eah, @miss marple, @Flip, @Svigor, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Charles Pewitt, @TheJester, @Charles Pewitt, @L Woods, @Reg Cæsar, @eah

    In the end, I wonder how the Romans felt about the Germanic tribes pushing south into the Empire … or, how the British feel about over 60 years of massive immigration on the part of blacks, Muslims, and Eastern Europeans to the point that London is now often euphemistically called Londonistan. (A challenge: Try to find someone British in London. I’ve tried many times without result.)

    One would think that people would learn from historical experiences so they don’t have to face a new, uncomfortable reality on their own … a reality they may not survive.

  59. @Maciano
    Steve, I'm 100% on the side of you and Trump, and I harshly opposed and oppose Merkel for doing the reverse, but there's one argument by the left I feel needs to be addressed. What if some of these people don't let themselves be stopped by the army? The only logical next stop is to shoot at them. The question is: are we ready to do that?

    Should we shoot people who want to cross a border? We should be ready to answer that answer, too.

    Some will counter: "oh, they will just be taken by the army and returned to sender". But let's assume they won't: what if they're going to fight? Should they be shot?

    Replies: @Another German Reader, @Mr. Rational, @Anonym, @Mr. Anon, @Anonymous, @L Woods, @ben tillman, @27 year old, @Reg Cæsar, @BB753, @SteveRogers42

    “… what if they’re going to fight? Should they be shot?”
    I dunno. Is Soros, et al, paying them to fight? Or just to march and try to cross? Will he pay them to get shot too? Sounds expensive, and billionaires tend to be cheap bastards.

  60. “This is not who we are.”
    “We’re a nation of immigrants.”
    “Diversity is our strength.”

    Did I miss anything?
    .
    .

  61. The New York Times must be taxed so hard their pips start squeaking.

    Trump gave the media corporations a huge tax cut.

    The Pewitt campaign for president will tax the media corporations at a 95 percent rate until such time that the White Core American Patriots(WCAP) control the corporate media. As soon as that happens I will cut the corporate tax rate for media corporations to 5 percent or less depending on how sneaky the WCAP tax lawyers are.

    Trump is correct when he says that the media is the enemy of the American people.

    I love Trumpy for shaking up American politics, but why did Trumpy give the enemy of the American people — the media — a big fat tax cut?

    Tweet from 2015:

  62. What would Israel do?

    They’d call them “infiltrators.”

    They’d shoot them.

    Blue check Twitter would back them 100%.

  63. The idea that someone like Soros or Maduro must be behind the caravan of Hondurans moving towards the US is nuts. More than half of Hondurans in Honduras now would like to live in the US. Likely 20+% of Honduran citizens already live here. It costs about $5000 for somewhat secure transport to the US, so the opportunity to walk it with a bunch of NGOs and security-bringing TV cameras tagging along will be seized by many.

    The phrase “land of opportunity” is used for the US regularly in Honduras with the sense that everyone has the right to come. There is no doubt that they believe this.

    It’s bad there. It has to be worse for them here for the flow to stop.

  64. @eah
    Trump is stupid -- but he has a lot of company -- they're not coming to apply for citizenship, they're coming to apply for asylum -- as a signatory to the treaty on refugees and asylum, the US is obligated to give their applications a fair review -- whatever that means -- which is what Trump needs to define here -- he and administration lawyers need to find a way to legally streamline the reviews, including denying any possible appeal to a quick decision to deny asylum/refugee status -- then to preclude further cynical abuse of the treaty in this way, he should, if legally possible, abrogate the treaty so any future caravans either will never start or can be pushed back at the border -- he has already said the US will not sign the 'Global Pact for Migration' next month.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1055527191235227648

    Replies: @eah, @PiltdownMan, @utu, @eah, @Ed, @notanon, @Mr. Anon, @pyrrhus, @Federalist, @Lurker

    Trump knows that they are not applying for citizenship. Don’t take everything literally.

  65. If only Trump had some authority, any authority, over the U.S. military, he could send troops or national guard to the border.

    /s

  66. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT - Google ("be evil") joins the #MeToo ranks.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/technology/google-sexual-harassment-andy-rubin.html

    Replies: @Tyrion 2, @Brutusale, @Svigor, @Jack D

    Women seem to like the current “sexual harassment as a crime (/fireable offense, expellable offense)” regime because it gives them tremendous heads I win/tails you lose power – sleep your way to the top, and then if the relationship doesn’t pan out, then months or years later, report it and get the bastard fired/expelled/jailed.

    But this doesn’t seem to be very fair to men.

    One possibility is to prohibit all sexual relationships between certain groups – executives and those they supervise, professors and students, etc. It seems to me that this infantilizes the “junior” partner (who is usually female) – she is no longer an adult free to choose to have a relationship with another adult. Unattractive women like this rule because it levels the playing field for them, but again, what is in it for others? I suppose the right to be “left alone” and not having your boss pester you for sex. But again as an adult you should be able to handle unwanted advances on your own, as women did in the past. Really I think the best thing to do would be to say “your personal relationships are just that – personal. We as your employer consider them none of our business. If your co-worker commits a crime (grabs you or rapes you), then bring it to the attention of the police and if he is convicted he will be fired, but until then it’s none of our business. Y’all are adults and have to figure this stuff out for yourself the way you do with the rest of your personal life.”

    But, even if we keep this whole questionable regime in place then at a minimum we need to put a MUCH shorter fuse on reporting. Here is the NYTimes summary of what led to Rubin’s resignation:

    By 2013, she had cooled on him and wanted to break things off but worried it would affect her career, said the people. That March, she agreed to meet him at a hotel, where she said he pressured her into oral sex, they said. The incident ended the relationship.

    The woman waited until 2014 before filing a complaint to Google’s human resources department and telling officials about the relationship, the people said. Google began an investigation.

    I would say that the fuse on reporting should be EXTREMELY short – like 24 hours. Any longer and you get into seller’s remorse type situations. The current situation where you can rat out your co-workers/fellow students/etc. YEARS later is ridiculous.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @Jack D

    As long as idiot white males continue to think that Women are Wonderful and that this lunacy will only burn their sexual rivals and can somehow never happen to them, it will just go on and on. There is no limit to the license and entitlement women will seize that isn't imposed by the boot heel of "the patriarchy." The idea that the wheel of fortune could turn on them or their relations requires a degree of logical thinking to which their moral and intellectual capacity is unequal.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Jack D

    Agreed. I assumed the report of "pressurised into oral sex" was a Weinsteinan-type occurrence where the women thought her job/career development was on the line if she refused - didn't realise they'd been doing the deed for some time and the "pressure" was the sort of thing that can occur between partners (not present company of course).

    There was also a report of a woman who'd gone for a Google role and was invited away for what she thought was an extended interview, which involved requests to massage the interviewer. She didn't - and she didn't get the job. Now that's more Weinsteinian.

    Young female grad at interview.

    "How do you see my position within the Google organisation?"

    "Prone"

    , @Fred Boynton
    @Jack D

    Women seem to like the current “sexual harassment as a crime (/fireable offense, expellable offense)” regime because it gives them tremendous heads I win/tails you lose power – sleep your way to the top, and then if the relationship doesn’t pan out, then months or years later, report it and get the bastard fired/expelled/jailed.

    There is also the case that when women sleep their way to the top, they don't want to allow younger women to do the same thing to compete against them; the older women want to pull that ladder up behind them and not allow younger women to use the same weapon to get ahead.

  67. @eah
    @eah

    Speaking of stupid NPC types:

    https://twitter.com/JohnKasich/status/1055547323814690816

    Replies: @eah, @miss marple, @Flip, @Svigor, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Charles Pewitt, @TheJester, @Charles Pewitt, @L Woods, @Reg Cæsar, @eah

    John Kasich pushes nation-wrecking open borders mass immigration and amnesty for illegal alien invaders.

    John Kasich is a member of the GOP Cheap Labor Faction.

    John Kasich is also a complete and total whore for the Neo-Conservative faction of the GOP.

    John Kasich pushes endless overseas war.

    Tweets from 2015:

  68. Anonymous [AKA "Skippy the Zinhead"] says:

    The obvious solution is to publicly and diplomatically admit that Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador and Southern Mexico (Chiapas and related shitholes) are in fact Failed States, wholly incapable of fostering or protecting their people.

    Therefore they must, like it or not, become United States Military and Economic Protectorates: subject entirely to US martial law, under US military occupation and administration, with no rights of US citizenship. Since they clearly cannot govern themselves, they must be governed by their self-admitted superiors.

    Under US martial law and military control, the alleged gangs will be vaporized with extreme prejudice and with no recourse to ordinary civil law. Ad-hoc economic opportunity zones will be created: any grease-blob who complains of not finding a job will be assigned a mandatory job, working as a peon for an evil US corporation — at low, low, LOW wages, it goes without saying.

    The borders will be completely sealed, and the grease-blobs will be guaranteed a safe, violence-free territory (under threat of Ultra-Violence, natch) and a guaranteed income from a menial job. That is what they complained about, and their complaints can be fully satisfied in their home territories, under the iron fist of US control.

    By fleeing their own countries, they have in effect abdicated sovereignty and human self-reliance, and thrown themselves on the mercy of their confessed superiors. So now their superiors should take matters in hand.

    Access to White people is not a human right. Access to White people’s territory, or to White people’s superior stuff, is also not a human right. And let’s face it, that is really what Señor Greaseblob is demanding.

    If Señor Greaseblob really is, as he readily admits, incapable of securing even a basic minimum of security and prosperity for himself and his endless ninos, then, having thrown himself upon the mercy of his betters, he must accept what crumbs his betters choose to throw him.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous

    We've tried this before. It never worked out well for us.

    At least we got the Philippines to leave. We're still stuck with Puerto Rico.

    And way more Haitians than we need.

  69. @eah
    @eah

    In addition Trump needs to use investigative arms of the federal government -- assuming he can find enough people loyal to him and professional enough to do their jobs -- to uncover who is behind this latest caravan -- who is providing organizational and logistical support.

    Replies: @Guy De Champlagne, @Brutusale, @anon, @eah

    over on The Conservative Treehouse they say that Mike Pence claims that Venezuela, China and Russia are behind it and all the readers apparently bought it, lol

    they don’t allow criticism of (((you know who))) in the comments over there so….

  70. @eah
    @eah

    Speaking of stupid NPC types:

    https://twitter.com/JohnKasich/status/1055547323814690816

    Replies: @eah, @miss marple, @Flip, @Svigor, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Charles Pewitt, @TheJester, @Charles Pewitt, @L Woods, @Reg Cæsar, @eah

    Kasich is an upper-class parasite and political hack by the grace of God. He needs to stop putting up walls around his neighborhood and exclusionary institutional affiliations.

  71. L Woods says:
    @Jack D
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Women seem to like the current "sexual harassment as a crime (/fireable offense, expellable offense)" regime because it gives them tremendous heads I win/tails you lose power - sleep your way to the top, and then if the relationship doesn't pan out, then months or years later, report it and get the bastard fired/expelled/jailed.

    But this doesn't seem to be very fair to men.

    One possibility is to prohibit all sexual relationships between certain groups - executives and those they supervise, professors and students, etc. It seems to me that this infantilizes the "junior" partner (who is usually female) - she is no longer an adult free to choose to have a relationship with another adult. Unattractive women like this rule because it levels the playing field for them, but again, what is in it for others? I suppose the right to be "left alone" and not having your boss pester you for sex. But again as an adult you should be able to handle unwanted advances on your own, as women did in the past. Really I think the best thing to do would be to say "your personal relationships are just that - personal. We as your employer consider them none of our business. If your co-worker commits a crime (grabs you or rapes you), then bring it to the attention of the police and if he is convicted he will be fired, but until then it's none of our business. Y'all are adults and have to figure this stuff out for yourself the way you do with the rest of your personal life."

    But, even if we keep this whole questionable regime in place then at a minimum we need to put a MUCH shorter fuse on reporting. Here is the NYTimes summary of what led to Rubin's resignation:


    By 2013, she had cooled on him and wanted to break things off but worried it would affect her career, said the people. That March, she agreed to meet him at a hotel, where she said he pressured her into oral sex, they said. The incident ended the relationship.

    The woman waited until 2014 before filing a complaint to Google’s human resources department and telling officials about the relationship, the people said. Google began an investigation.
     
    I would say that the fuse on reporting should be EXTREMELY short - like 24 hours. Any longer and you get into seller's remorse type situations. The current situation where you can rat out your co-workers/fellow students/etc. YEARS later is ridiculous.

    Replies: @L Woods, @YetAnotherAnon, @Fred Boynton

    As long as idiot white males continue to think that Women are Wonderful and that this lunacy will only burn their sexual rivals and can somehow never happen to them, it will just go on and on. There is no limit to the license and entitlement women will seize that isn’t imposed by the boot heel of “the patriarchy.” The idea that the wheel of fortune could turn on them or their relations requires a degree of logical thinking to which their moral and intellectual capacity is unequal.

  72. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Anonymous


    ‘Security’ usually has no difficulty non violently handling massive, and sometimes hostile, crowds at sports/music events.
     
    They also have things like walls, fences and gates at the venues to help them control the crowds, and the people in the crowds plan to eventually go back home.

    Even then, sometimes there is violence. Imagine the video on CNN the first time a soldier has to club a fake refugee.

    Rather than a crowd at a game, this is more analogous to a team that is one yard away from a goal line that extends thousands of miles...

    ... And a game clock that goes to infinity. Do you propose we just keep our 'security' there doing crowd control out in the open forever? That is essentially what we have been doing. How's that workin' for ya?

    "Look." I'm fed up enough to be perfectly happy if American soldiers (and their counterparts in Europe) go ahead and shoot at invaders -- because they are invaders. Unfortunately, that would be bad optics. It's a good thing I'm not in charge.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @L Woods

    Who cares about “bad optics.” “Bad optics” didn’t stop the neocons from invading Iraq, but it does stop them from actually defending the country. Funny how that works.

  73. @Tyrion 2
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Why didn't they disgrace him? He only created the most popular operating system in the world. Why shouldn't he have been publically disgraced on the basis of an evidence free "he said, she said" taking place in the context of an ongoing extra-marital affair?

    OTOH, Jewish American men seem to specialise in this sort of sexual clumsiness though I don't see many credible rape allegations. Even those against Harvey Weinstein are only substantiated when they're about him begging women to watch him masturbate into plant pots.

    As for Louis CK, Sarah Silverman just said he often asked her if he could do such a thing as she watched. She thought it was funny...which it is...but also sad. I can honestly say that such things never even crossed my mind until this raft of stories. Why do these blokes want to do this?

    Are they getting off on being humiliated?

    Perhaps they should have read more Chateau Heartiste.

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @Svigor, @ben tillman, @Steve Sailer

    Why didn’t they disgrace him? He only created the most popular operating system in the world. Why shouldn’t he have been publically disgraced on the basis of an evidence free “he said, she said” taking place in the context of an ongoing extra-marital affair?

    Exactly.

  74. @Maciano
    Steve, I'm 100% on the side of you and Trump, and I harshly opposed and oppose Merkel for doing the reverse, but there's one argument by the left I feel needs to be addressed. What if some of these people don't let themselves be stopped by the army? The only logical next stop is to shoot at them. The question is: are we ready to do that?

    Should we shoot people who want to cross a border? We should be ready to answer that answer, too.

    Some will counter: "oh, they will just be taken by the army and returned to sender". But let's assume they won't: what if they're going to fight? Should they be shot?

    Replies: @Another German Reader, @Mr. Rational, @Anonym, @Mr. Anon, @Anonymous, @L Woods, @ben tillman, @27 year old, @Reg Cæsar, @BB753, @SteveRogers42

    Yes.

  75. @Jack D
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Women seem to like the current "sexual harassment as a crime (/fireable offense, expellable offense)" regime because it gives them tremendous heads I win/tails you lose power - sleep your way to the top, and then if the relationship doesn't pan out, then months or years later, report it and get the bastard fired/expelled/jailed.

    But this doesn't seem to be very fair to men.

    One possibility is to prohibit all sexual relationships between certain groups - executives and those they supervise, professors and students, etc. It seems to me that this infantilizes the "junior" partner (who is usually female) - she is no longer an adult free to choose to have a relationship with another adult. Unattractive women like this rule because it levels the playing field for them, but again, what is in it for others? I suppose the right to be "left alone" and not having your boss pester you for sex. But again as an adult you should be able to handle unwanted advances on your own, as women did in the past. Really I think the best thing to do would be to say "your personal relationships are just that - personal. We as your employer consider them none of our business. If your co-worker commits a crime (grabs you or rapes you), then bring it to the attention of the police and if he is convicted he will be fired, but until then it's none of our business. Y'all are adults and have to figure this stuff out for yourself the way you do with the rest of your personal life."

    But, even if we keep this whole questionable regime in place then at a minimum we need to put a MUCH shorter fuse on reporting. Here is the NYTimes summary of what led to Rubin's resignation:


    By 2013, she had cooled on him and wanted to break things off but worried it would affect her career, said the people. That March, she agreed to meet him at a hotel, where she said he pressured her into oral sex, they said. The incident ended the relationship.

    The woman waited until 2014 before filing a complaint to Google’s human resources department and telling officials about the relationship, the people said. Google began an investigation.
     
    I would say that the fuse on reporting should be EXTREMELY short - like 24 hours. Any longer and you get into seller's remorse type situations. The current situation where you can rat out your co-workers/fellow students/etc. YEARS later is ridiculous.

    Replies: @L Woods, @YetAnotherAnon, @Fred Boynton

    Agreed. I assumed the report of “pressurised into oral sex” was a Weinsteinan-type occurrence where the women thought her job/career development was on the line if she refused – didn’t realise they’d been doing the deed for some time and the “pressure” was the sort of thing that can occur between partners (not present company of course).

    There was also a report of a woman who’d gone for a Google role and was invited away for what she thought was an extended interview, which involved requests to massage the interviewer. She didn’t – and she didn’t get the job. Now that’s more Weinsteinian.

    Young female grad at interview.

    “How do you see my position within the Google organisation?”

    “Prone”

  76. @Maciano
    Steve, I'm 100% on the side of you and Trump, and I harshly opposed and oppose Merkel for doing the reverse, but there's one argument by the left I feel needs to be addressed. What if some of these people don't let themselves be stopped by the army? The only logical next stop is to shoot at them. The question is: are we ready to do that?

    Should we shoot people who want to cross a border? We should be ready to answer that answer, too.

    Some will counter: "oh, they will just be taken by the army and returned to sender". But let's assume they won't: what if they're going to fight? Should they be shot?

    Replies: @Another German Reader, @Mr. Rational, @Anonym, @Mr. Anon, @Anonymous, @L Woods, @ben tillman, @27 year old, @Reg Cæsar, @BB753, @SteveRogers42

    Steve, I’m 100% on the side of you and Trump, and I harshly opposed and oppose Merkel for doing the reverse, but there’s one argument by the left I feel needs to be addressed. What if some of these people don’t let themselves be stopped by the army? The only logical next stop is to shoot at them. The question is: are we ready to do that?

    Should we shoot people who want to cross a border? We should be ready to answer that answer, too.

    Some will counter: “oh, they will just be taken by the army and returned to sender”. But let’s assume they won’t: what if they’re going to fight? Should they be shot?

    Yes, without hesitation.

  77. Anonymous [AKA "Stymy"] says:
    @PiltdownMan
    @eah


    as a signatory to the treaty on refugees and asylum, the US is obligated to give their applications a fair review
     
    Isn't it actually Mexico that is obligated, ahead of us? How does that work, in terms of the UN treaty?

    I know that with the Syrian refugees, for instance, the UNHCR (UN High Commisioner for Refugees) pre-processed them, and then allocated a certain proportion to each signatory country to process.

    Shouldn't the process be working the same way for Central American "refugees" and "asylees?" Why are people assuming that are we on the hook to process all of them, rather than a combination of Mexico, the US, Canada and then other signatory countries?

    I've tried googling—inconclusively.

    Replies: @eah, @Anonymous

    My friend in Switzerland’s housekeeper is an illegal Mexican. He lives in a very small town, away from everything. He asked her how she decided to go all the way to Switzerland, and she said she looked up countries on the internet, and Switzerland seemed the nicest. Because of strict Swiss canon law, she’ll NEVER become a Swiss citizen, I mean zero chance, but she doesn’t seem to care, and she’s a happy little camper there.

    Switzerland needs to take more of our Mexicans!

    Now that I’m thinking about it, I’m gonna tweet Trump about this!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous

    He'd better watch his guns.

    Hudson man alleges woman stole guns after online dating encounter

    And in Switzerland, those military weapons on everyone's wall are the property of the state. So he'd have to answer to the Army as well.

  78. @eah
    Trump is stupid -- but he has a lot of company -- they're not coming to apply for citizenship, they're coming to apply for asylum -- as a signatory to the treaty on refugees and asylum, the US is obligated to give their applications a fair review -- whatever that means -- which is what Trump needs to define here -- he and administration lawyers need to find a way to legally streamline the reviews, including denying any possible appeal to a quick decision to deny asylum/refugee status -- then to preclude further cynical abuse of the treaty in this way, he should, if legally possible, abrogate the treaty so any future caravans either will never start or can be pushed back at the border -- he has already said the US will not sign the 'Global Pact for Migration' next month.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1055527191235227648

    Replies: @eah, @PiltdownMan, @utu, @eah, @Ed, @notanon, @Mr. Anon, @pyrrhus, @Federalist, @Lurker

    If they’re seeking asylum then the answer is simple – they have to do it in Mexico. Unless I’ve misunderstood the rules, the US is not obliged to take them at all.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @eah
    @Lurker

    See my reply to commenter pyrrhus -- you need to, as they say, get real.

  79. 1. Build the Wall

    2. No citizenship ever for those who have entered the county illegally.

    3. Mandatory jail sentencing for any employer who knowingly hires an illegal alien to work for him or her.

    4. Do not subscribe to the Wall Street Journal, the Economist, or the New York Times.

    5. Make it impossible for anyone in the country illegally to obtain welfare benefits.

    No need to shoot any of the invaders at this point in time. Put a few employers in jail, like the Koch Brothers and Soros, this will work out fast.

    • Replies: @anon
    @lavoisier


    No need to shoot any of the invaders at this point in time. Put a few employers in jail, like the Koch Brothers and Soros, this will work out fast.
     
    exactly, once these milliionaires and billionaires are faced with jail, the hiring stops fast

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @BB753

    , @Unladen Swallow
    @lavoisier

    How many illegals work on Wall Street? That's part of the problem.

  80. Anon[289] • Disclaimer says:

    I was voting early on Monday at the courthouse, and for once the motor vehicle registration line was short, but the line for voting was out the door. I’ve been voting early ever since they allowed it, and I’ve never seen so many people doing it, not even during the general election in 2016. Voters are mad and more revved up for this mid-term election than they were in 2016.

    I think the Kavanaugh hearings enraged a lot more Republicans than the Democrats realize. I think the difference is that a lot of Republicans had few illusions about Trump, and thought he was a bit of a used-car dealer, but they held their noses and voted for him anyway. But after 2 years of Russian witch hunts, and the attempt to frame an honest man like Kavanaugh who’s always tried to do the right thing, made them blow a gasket.

    Democrats must understand that they have to stop delivering provocations to Republicans if they don’t want to be trampled underfoot. They’re too stupid, obnoxious, childish, and self-centered to see the wisdom of this.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @Anon

    Great that there's long lines and all, but how do you know they are voting Republican and not Democrat? Are you in a red county? Were they all white, patriots?

    Either way, Republicans are killing it in early voting in Florida, vis-a-vis 2016. Another reason why the Trump Van of Peace (captained by a Cuban!) is so suspicious.

    Replies: @Anon

  81. @Flip
    @eah

    I'd rather have Bernie Sanders as president than Kasich. At least Sanders doesn't pretend to be on my side.

    Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster, @That Guy

    I see your point but I actually think the opposite is true. Sanders does pretend to be on our side, at least on economic issues. It’s ‘conservatives’ like Kasich who aren’t even trying to pretend anymore. The mask is pretty much all the way off at this point. Also Kasich’s lurch to the left has predictably won him little to no real support on the left. Same thing with the neocon/weekly standard gang. Everybody here knows that and they probably do too. And they still don’t care.

  82. The string immig appears three times in three sentences posted. Include the headline, and mig appears four times.

    That’s interesting, considering how often Steve scans other articles and finds no instances.

    Of course, these people are not “immigrants”. In the unlikely case they’re legitimate, they’re refugees. But then they’d be duty-bound to stop in Guatemala, or at least Mexico.

    And would be satisfied with that.

  83. @eah
    @eah

    Speaking of stupid NPC types:

    https://twitter.com/JohnKasich/status/1055547323814690816

    Replies: @eah, @miss marple, @Flip, @Svigor, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Charles Pewitt, @TheJester, @Charles Pewitt, @L Woods, @Reg Cæsar, @eah

    The scary thing is that he’s Governor of Ohio, the “Index State”. That state has traditionally best mirrored the US as a whole. I hope that doesn’t mean he’s a harbinger of things to come.

    The only thing unique about Ohio that comes to mind is that it’s the only state without a flag.

    The Ohio Burgee is not a flag. It’s a pennant.

    http://www.netstate.com/states/symb/flags/oh_flag.htm

    • Replies: @That Guy
    @Reg Cæsar

    As a native Ohioan who lived there for decades I really don't think he's cause to be worried about the state. He's always been an annoying corporate/media whore under his flimsy aw shucks midwestern facade.

    Thankfuly he's out in a few months due to term limits. Here's hoping he concentrates on golf or whatever instead of continuing to front for the Dems/Never Trumpers. I doubt it though.

    , @Redneck farmer
    @Reg Cæsar

    We're not sure if Kasich should be subject to ancient Egypt-type obliteration, or his record preserved as a warning. Other states have probably faced similar decisions.

  84. @Anonymous
    The obvious solution is to publicly and diplomatically admit that Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador and Southern Mexico (Chiapas and related shitholes) are in fact Failed States, wholly incapable of fostering or protecting their people.

    Therefore they must, like it or not, become United States Military and Economic Protectorates: subject entirely to US martial law, under US military occupation and administration, with no rights of US citizenship. Since they clearly cannot govern themselves, they must be governed by their self-admitted superiors.

    Under US martial law and military control, the alleged gangs will be vaporized with extreme prejudice and with no recourse to ordinary civil law. Ad-hoc economic opportunity zones will be created: any grease-blob who complains of not finding a job will be assigned a mandatory job, working as a peon for an evil US corporation --- at low, low, LOW wages, it goes without saying.

    The borders will be completely sealed, and the grease-blobs will be guaranteed a safe, violence-free territory (under threat of Ultra-Violence, natch) and a guaranteed income from a menial job. That is what they complained about, and their complaints can be fully satisfied in their home territories, under the iron fist of US control.

    By fleeing their own countries, they have in effect abdicated sovereignty and human self-reliance, and thrown themselves on the mercy of their confessed superiors. So now their superiors should take matters in hand.

    Access to White people is not a human right. Access to White people's territory, or to White people's superior stuff, is also not a human right. And let's face it, that is really what Señor Greaseblob is demanding.

    If Señor Greaseblob really is, as he readily admits, incapable of securing even a basic minimum of security and prosperity for himself and his endless ninos, then, having thrown himself upon the mercy of his betters, he must accept what crumbs his betters choose to throw him.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    We’ve tried this before. It never worked out well for us.

    At least we got the Philippines to leave. We’re still stuck with Puerto Rico.

    And way more Haitians than we need.

  85. @Maciano
    Steve, I'm 100% on the side of you and Trump, and I harshly opposed and oppose Merkel for doing the reverse, but there's one argument by the left I feel needs to be addressed. What if some of these people don't let themselves be stopped by the army? The only logical next stop is to shoot at them. The question is: are we ready to do that?

    Should we shoot people who want to cross a border? We should be ready to answer that answer, too.

    Some will counter: "oh, they will just be taken by the army and returned to sender". But let's assume they won't: what if they're going to fight? Should they be shot?

    Replies: @Another German Reader, @Mr. Rational, @Anonym, @Mr. Anon, @Anonymous, @L Woods, @ben tillman, @27 year old, @Reg Cæsar, @BB753, @SteveRogers42

    But let’s assume they won’t: what if they’re going to fight? Should they be shot?

    1. We have extremely effective area denial weapon systems which are non-lethal. We paid hundreds of millions of dollars to develop these things.

    2. Yes they should be shot. Bonuses paid to the troops per kill.

  86. @Maciano
    Steve, I'm 100% on the side of you and Trump, and I harshly opposed and oppose Merkel for doing the reverse, but there's one argument by the left I feel needs to be addressed. What if some of these people don't let themselves be stopped by the army? The only logical next stop is to shoot at them. The question is: are we ready to do that?

    Should we shoot people who want to cross a border? We should be ready to answer that answer, too.

    Some will counter: "oh, they will just be taken by the army and returned to sender". But let's assume they won't: what if they're going to fight? Should they be shot?

    Replies: @Another German Reader, @Mr. Rational, @Anonym, @Mr. Anon, @Anonymous, @L Woods, @ben tillman, @27 year old, @Reg Cæsar, @BB753, @SteveRogers42

    Should they be shot?

    Yes– with Instagram.

    Then posted. And cross-posted. On Facebook, where their future co-workers waste their time. And on LinkedIn, where their future employers will have no excuse for not knowing their origin.

  87. @Anonymous
    @PiltdownMan

    My friend in Switzerland’s housekeeper is an illegal Mexican. He lives in a very small town, away from everything. He asked her how she decided to go all the way to Switzerland, and she said she looked up countries on the internet, and Switzerland seemed the nicest. Because of strict Swiss canon law, she'll NEVER become a Swiss citizen, I mean zero chance, but she doesn’t seem to care, and she’s a happy little camper there.

    Switzerland needs to take more of our Mexicans!

    Now that I'm thinking about it, I’m gonna tweet Trump about this!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    He’d better watch his guns.

    Hudson man alleges woman stole guns after online dating encounter

    And in Switzerland, those military weapons on everyone’s wall are the property of the state. So he’d have to answer to the Army as well.

  88. @Anon
    I was voting early on Monday at the courthouse, and for once the motor vehicle registration line was short, but the line for voting was out the door. I've been voting early ever since they allowed it, and I've never seen so many people doing it, not even during the general election in 2016. Voters are mad and more revved up for this mid-term election than they were in 2016.

    I think the Kavanaugh hearings enraged a lot more Republicans than the Democrats realize. I think the difference is that a lot of Republicans had few illusions about Trump, and thought he was a bit of a used-car dealer, but they held their noses and voted for him anyway. But after 2 years of Russian witch hunts, and the attempt to frame an honest man like Kavanaugh who's always tried to do the right thing, made them blow a gasket.

    Democrats must understand that they have to stop delivering provocations to Republicans if they don't want to be trampled underfoot. They're too stupid, obnoxious, childish, and self-centered to see the wisdom of this.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Great that there’s long lines and all, but how do you know they are voting Republican and not Democrat? Are you in a red county? Were they all white, patriots?

    Either way, Republicans are killing it in early voting in Florida, vis-a-vis 2016. Another reason why the Trump Van of Peace (captained by a Cuban!) is so suspicious.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    My state went 62% Trump, 32% Clinton in 2016, with the rest 3rd party. This is a heavily Trump state.

  89. @Jonathan Mason
    I would have thought that just machine-gunning the invading hordes as they approach the border and leaving the leached bones to be picked over by vultures where they fall would do the trick and act as a deterrent to future invading hordes.

    However, for various reasons such as fake news coverage this action is not considered acceptable, suggesting that for all the rhetoric, this is not really a true invasion that threatens the ongoing existence and security of the United States.

    It is more like having flies enter my house if I leave the front door open, and then needed to put up fly papers to catch them after they have invaded my living space and attempted to create birthright houseflies in the next generation.

    In the past the US has invaded neighbors such as the Dominican Republic and Haiti when they have been deemed ungovernable, and took over control of the internal security forces. Perhaps United States and UN peacekeeping forces need to occupy places like Guatemala and Honduras to protect local citizens from criminal gangs, or capture and intern the criminal gangs in Guantanamo Bay.

    After all, prisons in the US are already crammed full of gangsters, many of them from Central America, so we already have the know-how and just need to export it.

    Or then again, Congress and the Executive Branch could enact legislation taking the US out of any and all international refugee treaties, but apparently chooses not to do so. It could also reinforce the laws that make it illegal to provide employment to illegals. Once a few top corporate executives were seen serving hard time in prisons filled with Central American gangs, most likely some big changes would come down the pike in short order.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Paleo Liberal

    The Thais tried land mines and machine guns to keep out Cambodians feeling rhe Khmer Rouge, and the Vietnamese occupation army afterwards, and they still had crowded refugee camps.

    But those people were real refugees who were fleeing a regime that managed to kill anywhere from 1/4 to 1/2 of its people in a short time.

    A Cambodian refugee told me her family walked barefoot through the mine fields at night so the Thais couldn’t see them to shoot at them. There was a better chance of survival with a mine field than staying in Cambodia.

    Ask yourself if the Central Americans would risk mine fields, or if they would decide to seek asylum in Mexico

  90. @Reg Cæsar
    @eah

    The scary thing is that he's Governor of Ohio, the "Index State". That state has traditionally best mirrored the US as a whole. I hope that doesn't mean he's a harbinger of things to come.

    The only thing unique about Ohio that comes to mind is that it's the only state without a flag.

    The Ohio Burgee is not a flag. It's a pennant.

    http://www.netstate.com/states/symb/flags/oh_flag.htm

    https://www.worldatlas.com/r/w728-h425-c728x425/upload/8e/d2/38/shutterstock-549469321.jpg

    Replies: @That Guy, @Redneck farmer

    As a native Ohioan who lived there for decades I really don’t think he’s cause to be worried about the state. He’s always been an annoying corporate/media whore under his flimsy aw shucks midwestern facade.

    Thankfuly he’s out in a few months due to term limits. Here’s hoping he concentrates on golf or whatever instead of continuing to front for the Dems/Never Trumpers. I doubt it though.

  91. @Another German Reader
    @Maciano

    Your question is the most basic aspect of power. Since the stone-age.

    The willingness to kill and having the men/women, who will execute this will and having leaders, who give those orders.

    This is where the West (or anyone else whatever the issue is) will begin to collapse or restore itself.

    Our Homo Erectus ancestors also had to decide: Kill the other humans to secure that water-hole/fishing ground or die. Somewhere in Eastern Africa.

    Our Cro-Magnon ancestors had to decide: Kill the other tribe/clan, who had mammoth meat, or starve. Somewhere in Southern France.

    Yes, it's that simple. It all boils down to this: Kill to survive or perish! This is human nature.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Paleo Liberal

    Among American Indian tribes, the penalty for trespassing on another tribe’s land was death. That sometimes meant three days of torture followed by burning at the stake.

    I get annoyed when open borders advocates say we should have the Indians’ immigration policies, without having a clue as to what those policies were.

    I am not advocating torturing all illegal aliens and burning them at the stake. I am just clarifying what the real Indians did, as opposed to the imaginary Noble Savage Red Man.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Paleo Liberal


    Among American Indian tribes, the penalty for trespassing on another tribe’s land was death. That sometimes meant three days of torture followed by burning at the stake.
     
    Do you have a reference?
  92. @Buzz Mohawk
    I'm wondering what form this will take when the invaders approach the border and the Army is there. How will our soldiers block them and keep them from getting their feet over the line and into our legal system?

    Will the soldiers stand shoulder-to-shoulder, perhaps holding shields like a Roman army or riot police? They certainly won't shoot, probably won't point guns.

    If they would just get there and start building some kind of, oh, I don't know, wall, it would make their job easier.

    Why can't the President just order the Army Corps of Engineers to build a wall?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @International Jew

    Israel faced several such marches in the last 20 years, in fact since last April it’s been a daily thing down at the Gaza frontier. The situation isn’t all that different from what we’re facing from this “caravan”: thousands of people including women and children, lots of news media there to record it, marching on a border (of some kind). And, like the US Army (believe it or not) Israel doesn’t consider mowing such people down with machinegun fire to be an option.

    So what do the Israelis do? They rely on tear gas. It’s very unpleasant, and it’ll discourage 99% of the people 100% of the time.

    The ones that still come at you after that, yeah, you have to shoot them. Though there’s still no need to to kill them; snipers are there who can reliably hit the knees.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @International Jew

    Fire hoses are also a good option. Spray them down with cold water that has been spiked with a dye and a stinging agent like cayenne pepper.

    , @SteveRogers42
    @International Jew

    In addition to good ole CS, there's modern things like LRADs and Area Denial systems.

    No Mayans would be injured in the making of this movie, but "They Shall Not Pass".

  93. @Anonymous
    @eah

    It's funny how this so called 'pact' was never debated or approved by national parliaments.

    Replies: @eah

    That’s pretty much true, at least in Germany, where in fact it is worse than that: they completely removed a petition asking the German government not to sign the pact from the website of the Bundestag.

  94. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @Anon

    Great that there's long lines and all, but how do you know they are voting Republican and not Democrat? Are you in a red county? Were they all white, patriots?

    Either way, Republicans are killing it in early voting in Florida, vis-a-vis 2016. Another reason why the Trump Van of Peace (captained by a Cuban!) is so suspicious.

    Replies: @Anon

    My state went 62% Trump, 32% Clinton in 2016, with the rest 3rd party. This is a heavily Trump state.

  95. @pyrrhus
    @eah

    Wrong. These people are required to apply in the 1st country they enter, which is not the United States....But since the US doesn't pay any attention to treaties that are inconvenient, we should just ignore this one too....

    Replies: @eah

    What am I wrong about?

    I know about the first/nearest ‘safe country’ rule — that rule is generally not enforceable, and it is generally not enforced — assume Mexico is a ‘safe country’, also that they will not do the following voluntarily (they won’t): how do you intend to force Mexico to stop the caravan and compel all the people in it to apply for asylum in Mexico?

    • Replies: @notanon
    @eah

    not enforced != not enforceable

    so the question becomes why is it not enforced?

    answer (imo) cos a handful of billionaires are 1) bribing the political class and 2) paying the media to lie about everything connected to immigration

    Trump has been working on (2) by making the media hated and imo the way to deal with (1) is to go after them - they'll all be crooks in one way or another so do an Elliott Ness on them and get them locked up for tax evasion or whatever as a disincentive.

    , @Mr. Rational
    @eah


    how do you intend to force Mexico to stop the caravan and compel all the people in it to apply for asylum in Mexico?
     
    You don't enforce it on Mexico.  You enforce it on the entire terrorvan of rapefugees; if they arrive through Mexico but don't have an application for asylum in Mexico in their paperwork, they are immediately removed without further questions.
  96. @Lurker
    @eah

    If they're seeking asylum then the answer is simple - they have to do it in Mexico. Unless I've misunderstood the rules, the US is not obliged to take them at all.

    Replies: @eah

    See my reply to commenter pyrrhus — you need to, as they say, get real.

  97. @Jim Christian
    So imagine a 7000+ convoy of illegals coming to the border with the intent of walking right in, claiming this amorphous asylum, stepping up the the trough for every benefit there is and if you don't like it, Screw Yourself.

    To which I ask, what would Israel do? China? Mexico? Russia? I think we know what they would do. The butcher's bill would be enormous, which is why this isn't done to those countries. What WE will do is what Europe has done. We will allow the impoverished Southern continent of our very own to empty out into the United States the same way Africa is emptying into Europe.

    Screw Yourself. Enjoy the new neighbors as they're salted into the neighborhoods and cities of the U.S. via Section 8. We're there now, what's another 7000?

    Replies: @anon

    To which I ask, what would Israel do? China? Mexico? Russia? I think we know what they would do.

    yes, we already know what israel would do

  98. @Svigor
    @Tyrion 2

    Jews dindunuffin!

    Jews - the original dindus! A 3,000 year tradition! Take that, blacks!

    Replies: @Tyrion 2

    Nuance isn’t dindu. I guess it is too complicated for you though.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Tyrion 2

    https://www.google.com/search?q=black+crime+%22nuance%22

  99. @lavoisier
    1. Build the Wall

    2. No citizenship ever for those who have entered the county illegally.

    3. Mandatory jail sentencing for any employer who knowingly hires an illegal alien to work for him or her.

    4. Do not subscribe to the Wall Street Journal, the Economist, or the New York Times.

    5. Make it impossible for anyone in the country illegally to obtain welfare benefits.

    No need to shoot any of the invaders at this point in time. Put a few employers in jail, like the Koch Brothers and Soros, this will work out fast.

    Replies: @anon, @Unladen Swallow

    No need to shoot any of the invaders at this point in time. Put a few employers in jail, like the Koch Brothers and Soros, this will work out fast.

    exactly, once these milliionaires and billionaires are faced with jail, the hiring stops fast

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @anon

    Then the hiring of subcontractors who hire illegal aliens begins.

    , @BB753
    @anon

    I'm sure Trump has enough dirt on Soros to put him in jail, along with his son. Alas, Sessions is a traitor or a cuck, or both.

  100. NYT, May 17, 2018 — U.S. Pushes Plan to Make Mexico Handle Asylum Seekers

    As a large caravan of Central American migrants approached the northern border of Mexico last month, the Trump administration launched a campaign to turn back the group…Mexican officials, however, said the migrants were under no legal obligation to apply in Mexico, and, indeed, more than 200 of them ended up crossing onto American soil and petitioning for sanctuary there…But under a proposal for a bilateral agreement that the Trump administration has broached with Mexican officials, American border officials would have been able to legally turn back those asylum seekers, forcing them to seek protection in Mexico…The agreement, or at least the concept of one, was part of a wide-ranging discussion about bilateral and regional immigration matters between Mexican and American officials in Washington on Thursday, officials said. The talks are scheduled to continue on Friday…Such an asylum arrangement, known as a “safe third country” agreement, would allow American border officials to turn away most asylum seekers who cross Mexico to reach the United States, forcing them to petition in Mexico instead.

    So as expected, Mexico is generally not considered a ‘safe country’, the US has no bilateral “safe third country” agreement with Mexico, and the US could not, under international law, legally refuse asylum applications from people who reach its border via Mexico.

  101. @eah
    @pyrrhus

    What am I wrong about?

    I know about the first/nearest 'safe country' rule -- that rule is generally not enforceable, and it is generally not enforced -- assume Mexico is a 'safe country', also that they will not do the following voluntarily (they won't): how do you intend to force Mexico to stop the caravan and compel all the people in it to apply for asylum in Mexico?

    Replies: @notanon, @Mr. Rational

    not enforced != not enforceable

    so the question becomes why is it not enforced?

    answer (imo) cos a handful of billionaires are 1) bribing the political class and 2) paying the media to lie about everything connected to immigration

    Trump has been working on (2) by making the media hated and imo the way to deal with (1) is to go after them – they’ll all be crooks in one way or another so do an Elliott Ness on them and get them locked up for tax evasion or whatever as a disincentive.

  102. “I mean, what’s the point of having a border if not to let any random mob march across it?”

    It is not about borders but about IQ. And it is not about any random mob but people with inferior IQ-s. Fuck them.

  103. @eah
    @PiltdownMan

    Good observation -- normally they are supposed to apply for asylum/refugee status in the nearest/first 'safe' country -- but that rule has always been rather squishy: regularly ignored, difficult to enforce -- obviously some countries are 'safer' than others, ie more desirable, hence the cherry picking by asylum seekers -- in 2015 Merkel obliterated that rule/precedent, and then later had the nerve to demand a 'European solution' to the migrant tsunami she herself caused -- Merkel is a 'Demopublican' -- both stupid and evil.

    Replies: @notanon, @eah

    stupid and evil

  104. @Anonymous
    @Another German Reader


    Yes, it’s that simple. It all boils down to this: Kill to survive or perish! This is human nature.
     
    Nope. There was plenty of fish and mammoth meat to go around back then. It wasn't necessary to kill other humans in order to eat.

    Replies: @Another German Reader, @athEIst

    Look, who we have here.

    Akhsshhhullllyyyy. But the data says..

    Humans are territorial animals. Only idiots, who live sheltered lives in industrial countries deny the nature of man.

    Unz.com comment-section is heavyweight-class, don’t come in here, if you can’t distinquish between figuratively speaking and literally speaking!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Another German Reader


    Unz.com comment-section is heavyweight-class, don’t come in here, if you can’t distinquish between figuratively speaking and literally speaking!
     
    You need to brush up on the difference between what man needs and what man does.
  105. @Tyrion 2
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Why didn't they disgrace him? He only created the most popular operating system in the world. Why shouldn't he have been publically disgraced on the basis of an evidence free "he said, she said" taking place in the context of an ongoing extra-marital affair?

    OTOH, Jewish American men seem to specialise in this sort of sexual clumsiness though I don't see many credible rape allegations. Even those against Harvey Weinstein are only substantiated when they're about him begging women to watch him masturbate into plant pots.

    As for Louis CK, Sarah Silverman just said he often asked her if he could do such a thing as she watched. She thought it was funny...which it is...but also sad. I can honestly say that such things never even crossed my mind until this raft of stories. Why do these blokes want to do this?

    Are they getting off on being humiliated?

    Perhaps they should have read more Chateau Heartiste.

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @Svigor, @ben tillman, @Steve Sailer

    Louis CK evidently has the Flasher fetish, only rather than dressing in a raincoat and exposing himself to strange women, he exposes himself to women he knows.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    Good old Benny Hill managed to make the 'raincoat' flasher into a ridiculous comedy trope - usually in the set piece 'chase' sequences.
    Invariably, the flasher - portrayed as nasty, seedy old pervert, would get ritually beaten up by a comedy granny.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  106. @Maciano
    Steve, I'm 100% on the side of you and Trump, and I harshly opposed and oppose Merkel for doing the reverse, but there's one argument by the left I feel needs to be addressed. What if some of these people don't let themselves be stopped by the army? The only logical next stop is to shoot at them. The question is: are we ready to do that?

    Should we shoot people who want to cross a border? We should be ready to answer that answer, too.

    Some will counter: "oh, they will just be taken by the army and returned to sender". But let's assume they won't: what if they're going to fight? Should they be shot?

    Replies: @Another German Reader, @Mr. Rational, @Anonym, @Mr. Anon, @Anonymous, @L Woods, @ben tillman, @27 year old, @Reg Cæsar, @BB753, @SteveRogers42

    Of course they should be shot. If you tried to trespass on the White House with a gun you would be shot on sight. Similar situation.

  107. If The Company actually worked FOR America, rather than against us, this horde of immivaders would have either been nipped in the bud or would have quickly eroded along the way. Evidently the only thing Langley is good at nowadays is interfering in U.S. Presidential elections.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @anon
    @SteveRogers42

    i think they've been taken over by The Tribe

  108. @Mr. Anon
    @Maciano


    Some will counter: “oh, they will just be taken by the army and returned to sender”. But let’s assume they won’t: what if they’re going to fight? Should they be shot?
     
    Try to just walk through the border................of a courthouse or an airport. If you then resist when they try to detain you, you'll be restrained. If you violently resist, i.e. - fight - you will be shot. You try to fight a cop in this country over a traffic ticket and you can get shot.

    Yes, if they fight, they should be shot. Why should they be accorded softer treatment than any American citizen would get.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    AGREED!, Mr. Anon, that was the best answer yet.

  109. @Jim Christian
    @Tyrion 2

    Siberman is such a shrew. She begs for laughs most of the time. As her 5-at-best beauty fades, she'll remember all the dumping she's been 'victim' to and her time with CK will become a violent rape complete with a money shot in the Left Eye. She's no different than all the other chicks at Hollywood High, she doesn't make the big money and she knows her hole is shrinking in value every day and she sin't happy about it. See: Kathy Griffin. Funny that it's always Jews with the oddball sexual shit going on, jerking in front of women, raping, paying off, every depravity there is, they engage it.

    These dudes, they could take a girl out to dinner and home to screw, for God's sake. That's all these broads want, they want their screwing with a little class. Guess it's too easy, not kinky enough. Got no sympathy for the women at Hollywood High. They knew what they were in for. They're just disappointed the good life came with a cost.

    Replies: @G. Wilkers, @anon

    Dude she’s at least an 8. Talentless and unfunny, but give credit where it’s due.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @G. Wilkers

    ISteve boomer thirst strikes again!

    , @(((Owen)))
    @G. Wilkers

    She was an eight. Once upon a time.

    But she's 50 now. Miss Silverman has held together quite well for her age, but she's well beyond the wall.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  110. @lavoisier
    1. Build the Wall

    2. No citizenship ever for those who have entered the county illegally.

    3. Mandatory jail sentencing for any employer who knowingly hires an illegal alien to work for him or her.

    4. Do not subscribe to the Wall Street Journal, the Economist, or the New York Times.

    5. Make it impossible for anyone in the country illegally to obtain welfare benefits.

    No need to shoot any of the invaders at this point in time. Put a few employers in jail, like the Koch Brothers and Soros, this will work out fast.

    Replies: @anon, @Unladen Swallow

    How many illegals work on Wall Street? That’s part of the problem.

  111. @G. Wilkers
    @Jim Christian

    Dude she's at least an 8. Talentless and unfunny, but give credit where it's due.

    Replies: @L Woods, @(((Owen)))

    ISteve boomer thirst strikes again!

  112. @SteveRogers42
    If The Company actually worked FOR America, rather than against us, this horde of immivaders would have either been nipped in the bud or would have quickly eroded along the way. Evidently the only thing Langley is good at nowadays is interfering in U.S. Presidential elections.

    Replies: @anon

    i think they’ve been taken over by The Tribe

  113. @miss marple
    @eah

    Exactly. And that we can't identify Kasich's obvious Santa Claus syndrome as a pathology, priceless.

    White daddy loses his power and his country, goes broke, etc.

    Replies: @dvorak

    And that we can’t identify Kasich’s obvious Santa Claus syndrome as a pathology, priceless.

    What’s John Boehner’s syndrome? After his daughter married a blue-collar or NEET Jamaican with long dreads, Boehner has become a cannabis advocate.

    I guess gay party drugs are a gateway to pot.

  114. @G. Wilkers
    @Jim Christian

    Dude she's at least an 8. Talentless and unfunny, but give credit where it's due.

    Replies: @L Woods, @(((Owen)))

    She was an eight. Once upon a time.

    But she’s 50 now. Miss Silverman has held together quite well for her age, but she’s well beyond the wall.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @(((Owen)))

    50 + Miss = ouch

    You shouldn’t be so cruel to the elderly.

  115. @International Jew
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Israel faced several such marches in the last 20 years, in fact since last April it's been a daily thing down at the Gaza frontier. The situation isn't all that different from what we're facing from this "caravan": thousands of people including women and children, lots of news media there to record it, marching on a border (of some kind). And, like the US Army (believe it or not) Israel doesn't consider mowing such people down with machinegun fire to be an option.

    So what do the Israelis do? They rely on tear gas. It's very unpleasant, and it'll discourage 99% of the people 100% of the time.

    The ones that still come at you after that, yeah, you have to shoot them. Though there's still no need to to kill them; snipers are there who can reliably hit the knees.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @SteveRogers42

    Fire hoses are also a good option. Spray them down with cold water that has been spiked with a dye and a stinging agent like cayenne pepper.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  116. @eah
    @eah

    Speaking of stupid NPC types:

    https://twitter.com/JohnKasich/status/1055547323814690816

    Replies: @eah, @miss marple, @Flip, @Svigor, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Charles Pewitt, @TheJester, @Charles Pewitt, @L Woods, @Reg Cæsar, @eah

    • Replies: @notanon
    @eah

    those countries are dysfunctional for HBD reasons - US interventionism probably makes it worse but US interventionism is in largely caused by that original dysfunction.

    (3rd world countries with an over-supply of low IQ labor and a corrupt elite are naturally going to drift towards Leftist politics - US interventionism to shore up the corrupt elite deals with a symptom of this problem (Marxist politics) but not the cause (over supply of labor and corruption).

  117. @eah
    @pyrrhus

    What am I wrong about?

    I know about the first/nearest 'safe country' rule -- that rule is generally not enforceable, and it is generally not enforced -- assume Mexico is a 'safe country', also that they will not do the following voluntarily (they won't): how do you intend to force Mexico to stop the caravan and compel all the people in it to apply for asylum in Mexico?

    Replies: @notanon, @Mr. Rational

    how do you intend to force Mexico to stop the caravan and compel all the people in it to apply for asylum in Mexico?

    You don’t enforce it on Mexico.  You enforce it on the entire terrorvan of rapefugees; if they arrive through Mexico but don’t have an application for asylum in Mexico in their paperwork, they are immediately removed without further questions.

  118. @Jim Christian
    @Tyrion 2

    Siberman is such a shrew. She begs for laughs most of the time. As her 5-at-best beauty fades, she'll remember all the dumping she's been 'victim' to and her time with CK will become a violent rape complete with a money shot in the Left Eye. She's no different than all the other chicks at Hollywood High, she doesn't make the big money and she knows her hole is shrinking in value every day and she sin't happy about it. See: Kathy Griffin. Funny that it's always Jews with the oddball sexual shit going on, jerking in front of women, raping, paying off, every depravity there is, they engage it.

    These dudes, they could take a girl out to dinner and home to screw, for God's sake. That's all these broads want, they want their screwing with a little class. Guess it's too easy, not kinky enough. Got no sympathy for the women at Hollywood High. They knew what they were in for. They're just disappointed the good life came with a cost.

    Replies: @G. Wilkers, @anon

    Louis CK sounds really jaded.
    Silverman is a victim, though, she’s just too dumb to realise it.

  119. @Paleo Liberal
    @Another German Reader

    Among American Indian tribes, the penalty for trespassing on another tribe’s land was death. That sometimes meant three days of torture followed by burning at the stake.

    I get annoyed when open borders advocates say we should have the Indians’ immigration policies, without having a clue as to what those policies were.

    I am not advocating torturing all illegal aliens and burning them at the stake. I am just clarifying what the real Indians did, as opposed to the imaginary Noble Savage Red Man.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Among American Indian tribes, the penalty for trespassing on another tribe’s land was death. That sometimes meant three days of torture followed by burning at the stake.

    Do you have a reference?

  120. @Another German Reader
    @Anonymous

    Look, who we have here.

    Akhsshhhullllyyyy. But the data says..

    Humans are territorial animals. Only idiots, who live sheltered lives in industrial countries deny the nature of man.

    Unz.com comment-section is heavyweight-class, don't come in here, if you can't distinquish between figuratively speaking and literally speaking!

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Unz.com comment-section is heavyweight-class, don’t come in here, if you can’t distinquish between figuratively speaking and literally speaking!

    You need to brush up on the difference between what man needs and what man does.

  121. @International Jew
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Israel faced several such marches in the last 20 years, in fact since last April it's been a daily thing down at the Gaza frontier. The situation isn't all that different from what we're facing from this "caravan": thousands of people including women and children, lots of news media there to record it, marching on a border (of some kind). And, like the US Army (believe it or not) Israel doesn't consider mowing such people down with machinegun fire to be an option.

    So what do the Israelis do? They rely on tear gas. It's very unpleasant, and it'll discourage 99% of the people 100% of the time.

    The ones that still come at you after that, yeah, you have to shoot them. Though there's still no need to to kill them; snipers are there who can reliably hit the knees.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @SteveRogers42

    In addition to good ole CS, there’s modern things like LRADs and Area Denial systems.

    No Mayans would be injured in the making of this movie, but “They Shall Not Pass”.

  122. @Steve Sailer
    @Tyrion 2

    Louis CK evidently has the Flasher fetish, only rather than dressing in a raincoat and exposing himself to strange women, he exposes himself to women he knows.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Good old Benny Hill managed to make the ‘raincoat’ flasher into a ridiculous comedy trope – usually in the set piece ‘chase’ sequences.
    Invariably, the flasher – portrayed as nasty, seedy old pervert, would get ritually beaten up by a comedy granny.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    I well remember that late, great Irish comedian, Dave Allen, appearing on his signature BBC show, circa 1976, in the wake of the UK's IMF bailout - and the swingeing, massive tax increases imposed as a consequence.
    In one of his characteristic in studio monologue rants, Allen was raging against tax being imposed on every aspect of British life ...'if they could put a meter on it, they'd tax the sir that you breath...did you know that condoms are taxed...? etc etc. And he finished the rant with a tour de force, ....'.. and flashers will be taxed for revealing their assets..'

  123. @Maciano
    Steve, I'm 100% on the side of you and Trump, and I harshly opposed and oppose Merkel for doing the reverse, but there's one argument by the left I feel needs to be addressed. What if some of these people don't let themselves be stopped by the army? The only logical next stop is to shoot at them. The question is: are we ready to do that?

    Should we shoot people who want to cross a border? We should be ready to answer that answer, too.

    Some will counter: "oh, they will just be taken by the army and returned to sender". But let's assume they won't: what if they're going to fight? Should they be shot?

    Replies: @Another German Reader, @Mr. Rational, @Anonym, @Mr. Anon, @Anonymous, @L Woods, @ben tillman, @27 year old, @Reg Cæsar, @BB753, @SteveRogers42

  124. Anonymous[471] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    Good old Benny Hill managed to make the 'raincoat' flasher into a ridiculous comedy trope - usually in the set piece 'chase' sequences.
    Invariably, the flasher - portrayed as nasty, seedy old pervert, would get ritually beaten up by a comedy granny.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I well remember that late, great Irish comedian, Dave Allen, appearing on his signature BBC show, circa 1976, in the wake of the UK’s IMF bailout – and the swingeing, massive tax increases imposed as a consequence.
    In one of his characteristic in studio monologue rants, Allen was raging against tax being imposed on every aspect of British life …’if they could put a meter on it, they’d tax the sir that you breath…did you know that condoms are taxed…? etc etc. And he finished the rant with a tour de force, ….’.. and flashers will be taxed for revealing their assets..’

  125. @Reg Cæsar
    @eah

    The scary thing is that he's Governor of Ohio, the "Index State". That state has traditionally best mirrored the US as a whole. I hope that doesn't mean he's a harbinger of things to come.

    The only thing unique about Ohio that comes to mind is that it's the only state without a flag.

    The Ohio Burgee is not a flag. It's a pennant.

    http://www.netstate.com/states/symb/flags/oh_flag.htm

    https://www.worldatlas.com/r/w728-h425-c728x425/upload/8e/d2/38/shutterstock-549469321.jpg

    Replies: @That Guy, @Redneck farmer

    We’re not sure if Kasich should be subject to ancient Egypt-type obliteration, or his record preserved as a warning. Other states have probably faced similar decisions.

  126. @anon
    @lavoisier


    No need to shoot any of the invaders at this point in time. Put a few employers in jail, like the Koch Brothers and Soros, this will work out fast.
     
    exactly, once these milliionaires and billionaires are faced with jail, the hiring stops fast

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @BB753

    Then the hiring of subcontractors who hire illegal aliens begins.

  127. @anon
    @lavoisier


    No need to shoot any of the invaders at this point in time. Put a few employers in jail, like the Koch Brothers and Soros, this will work out fast.
     
    exactly, once these milliionaires and billionaires are faced with jail, the hiring stops fast

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @BB753

    I’m sure Trump has enough dirt on Soros to put him in jail, along with his son. Alas, Sessions is a traitor or a cuck, or both.

  128. @Jack D
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Women seem to like the current "sexual harassment as a crime (/fireable offense, expellable offense)" regime because it gives them tremendous heads I win/tails you lose power - sleep your way to the top, and then if the relationship doesn't pan out, then months or years later, report it and get the bastard fired/expelled/jailed.

    But this doesn't seem to be very fair to men.

    One possibility is to prohibit all sexual relationships between certain groups - executives and those they supervise, professors and students, etc. It seems to me that this infantilizes the "junior" partner (who is usually female) - she is no longer an adult free to choose to have a relationship with another adult. Unattractive women like this rule because it levels the playing field for them, but again, what is in it for others? I suppose the right to be "left alone" and not having your boss pester you for sex. But again as an adult you should be able to handle unwanted advances on your own, as women did in the past. Really I think the best thing to do would be to say "your personal relationships are just that - personal. We as your employer consider them none of our business. If your co-worker commits a crime (grabs you or rapes you), then bring it to the attention of the police and if he is convicted he will be fired, but until then it's none of our business. Y'all are adults and have to figure this stuff out for yourself the way you do with the rest of your personal life."

    But, even if we keep this whole questionable regime in place then at a minimum we need to put a MUCH shorter fuse on reporting. Here is the NYTimes summary of what led to Rubin's resignation:


    By 2013, she had cooled on him and wanted to break things off but worried it would affect her career, said the people. That March, she agreed to meet him at a hotel, where she said he pressured her into oral sex, they said. The incident ended the relationship.

    The woman waited until 2014 before filing a complaint to Google’s human resources department and telling officials about the relationship, the people said. Google began an investigation.
     
    I would say that the fuse on reporting should be EXTREMELY short - like 24 hours. Any longer and you get into seller's remorse type situations. The current situation where you can rat out your co-workers/fellow students/etc. YEARS later is ridiculous.

    Replies: @L Woods, @YetAnotherAnon, @Fred Boynton

    Women seem to like the current “sexual harassment as a crime (/fireable offense, expellable offense)” regime because it gives them tremendous heads I win/tails you lose power – sleep your way to the top, and then if the relationship doesn’t pan out, then months or years later, report it and get the bastard fired/expelled/jailed.

    There is also the case that when women sleep their way to the top, they don’t want to allow younger women to do the same thing to compete against them; the older women want to pull that ladder up behind them and not allow younger women to use the same weapon to get ahead.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  129. @eah
    @eah

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqeJ7q_XQAAS3Ax.jpg

    Replies: @notanon

    those countries are dysfunctional for HBD reasons – US interventionism probably makes it worse but US interventionism is in largely caused by that original dysfunction.

    (3rd world countries with an over-supply of low IQ labor and a corrupt elite are naturally going to drift towards Leftist politics – US interventionism to shore up the corrupt elite deals with a symptom of this problem (Marxist politics) but not the cause (over supply of labor and corruption).

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  130. @(((Owen)))
    @G. Wilkers

    She was an eight. Once upon a time.

    But she's 50 now. Miss Silverman has held together quite well for her age, but she's well beyond the wall.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    50 + Miss = ouch

    You shouldn’t be so cruel to the elderly.

  131. @Tyrion 2
    @Svigor

    Nuance isn't dindu. I guess it is too complicated for you though.

    Replies: @Anon

    • LOL: Tyrion 2
  132. @notanon
    the only way to prevent the destruction of the USA is for Trump to deport the people who own and write for the NYT

    Replies: @Simply Simon

    You are giving the NYT far too much credit to influence anything of importance to our society.

  133. @eah
    @eah

    In addition Trump needs to use investigative arms of the federal government -- assuming he can find enough people loyal to him and professional enough to do their jobs -- to uncover who is behind this latest caravan -- who is providing organizational and logistical support.

    Replies: @Guy De Champlagne, @Brutusale, @anon, @eah

    ?

    • Replies: @eah
    @eah

    https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/938618196306923521

    , @eah
    @eah

    https://twitter.com/WayneDupreeShow/status/1056274386787991553

    Replies: @eah

  134. @eah
    @eah

    ?

    https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1056324117329297409

    Replies: @eah, @eah

  135. @eah
    @eah

    ?

    https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1056324117329297409

    Replies: @eah, @eah

    • Replies: @eah
    @eah

    https://twitter.com/DariusVolket/status/1056754875336318977

  136. @eah
    @eah

    https://twitter.com/WayneDupreeShow/status/1056274386787991553

    Replies: @eah

  137. @Anonymous
    @Another German Reader


    Yes, it’s that simple. It all boils down to this: Kill to survive or perish! This is human nature.
     
    Nope. There was plenty of fish and mammoth meat to go around back then. It wasn't necessary to kill other humans in order to eat.

    Replies: @Another German Reader, @athEIst

    There was plenty of fish and mammoth meat to go around back then.

    As Malthus pointed out about 250 yrs ago, all non-industrial societies become malthusian traps. One or two generations with “plenty” anything will remove that “plenty”.

Comments are closed.

Subscribe to All Steve Sailer Comments via RSS