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From the New York Times news section:

Trump Accuses Jewish Democrats of ‘Great Disloyalty’

Uh, I think that headline is missing a couple of important words: “to Israel”. The point, of course, of the headline is to rile up Jewish Democrats into imagining that Trump was anti-Semitically accused them of being disloyal to America, when he was pro-Semitically accusing them of not being loyal enough to Israel.

Shouldn’t the controversy be instead over why the President is criticizing American citizens for not being loyal enough to a foreign power?

Yeah, I know, my brain hurts, too.

By Julie Hirschfeld Davis
Aug. 20, 2019, Updated 9:34 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON — President Trump said on Tuesday that any Jewish person who votes for a Democrat is guilty of ignorance or “great disloyalty,” intensifying his efforts to drive in a partisan wedge over religion and support for Israel even as he appeared to draw on an anti-Semitic trope.

Is “trope” the 2019 Word of the Year? Is it because it’s alliterative with “Trump?”

Mr. Trump did not go into specifics about what he considered to be Jews’ disloyalty, but his language echoed the anti-Semitic smear that Jews are more devoted to Israel than they are to their own country, an accusation that goes as far back as the Roman Empire and is now used by white nationalists.

Mr. Trump’s comments were the latest turn in a toxic controversy over religion and politics that erupted last week after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel, at the president’s urging, barred an official visit to Israel by the first two Muslim women in Congress, Representatives Ilhan Omar of Minnesota and Rashida Tlaib of Michigan, both Democrats. The two have been harshly critical of Israel.

The move prompted condemnation from diplomats and analysts across the political spectrum that in Mr. Trump’s zeal to curry favor with Jewish voters and tighten his alliance with Mr. Netanyahu, he risked endangering the bipartisan support of Israel that has long existed in the United States, the country’s most reliable ally.

“It’s unclear who @POTUS is claiming Jews would be ‘disloyal’ to,” Jonathan Greenblatt, the chief executive of the Anti-Defamation League, said on Twitter, using a common acronym to refer to the president of the United States, “but charges of disloyalty have long been used to attack Jews.”

Logan Bayroff, the communications director for J Street, a progressive Jewish organization, said: “It is dangerous and shameful for President Trump to attack the large majority of the American Jewish community as unintelligent and ‘disloyal.’ But it is no surprise that the president’s racist, disingenuous attacks on progressive women of color in Congress have now transitioned into smears against Jews.”

Finally, in the 8th paragraph, the NYT prints the quote from Trump, which finally makes it perfectly obvious that Trump was talking about loyalty to Israel.

“Where has the Democratic Party gone?” Mr. Trump said in the Oval Office, at the tail end of a freewheeling round of comments to reporters during a visit by the president of Romania. “Where have they gone where they are defending these two people over the state of Israel? And I think any Jewish people that vote for a Democrat, I think it shows either a total lack of knowledge or great disloyalty.”

The remark was the latest from a president who has a history of language that stokes racial and religious divisions, some of which have surfaced recently in the statements and writings of deranged people bent on committing violence.

As opposed to the New York Times, which constantly explains to People of Color that white people aren’t actually to blame for their problems.

 
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  1. anon[586] • Disclaimer says:

    “The remark was the latest from a president who has a history of language that stokes racial and religious divisions, some of which have surfaced recently in the statements and writings of deranged people bent on committing violence.”

    Where’s that chart correlating NYT mentions of BLM terms and the homicide rate, again? How many thousands of people did this rag get killed?

    • Replies: @guest
    I'm trying to picture divisions being stoked. Nothing comes to my mind's eye.
    , @R.G. Camara
    SJWs always project.
    , @Jack D
    This is, I think, a relatively new phenomenon - NY Times reporters inserting little editorials about what an awful person and a liar Trump is and how he is the cause of all of our problems into news stories.

    When did this start? Was it only after Trump was elected or did they do this during the campaign or for previous Republican Presidents or politicians?

    I can imagine in the old days the editors would have just crossed stuff like this out and yelled at the reporter for veering off topic but clearly not anymore.

    OT, they had Cindy McCain on the CBS news this morning (McCain has been dead for a year). She said that the thing she was most proud of was McCain's 2008 concession speech. Apparently the highest and best calling of a Republican is to be a gracious loser.
  2. Mr. Trump did not go into specifics about what he considered to be Jews’ disloyalty, but his language echoed the anti-Semitic smear that Jews are more devoted to Israel than they are to their own country, an accusation that goes as far back as the Roman Empire and is now used by white nationalists.

    The remark was the latest from a president who has a history of language that stokes racial and religious divisions, some of which have surfaced recently in the statements and writings of deranged people bent on committing violence.

    “News.”

    • Replies: @415 reasons
    Unbelievable. I guess this is part of the new narrative (that was decided two weeks ago) that Trump is a racist (and not a Russian sleeper agent). Glad to see that the NYT can now decide how events should be interpreted before they happen, and even if their own reporting contradicts it. Sad!
  3. “the anti-Semitic smear that Jews are more devoted to Israel than they are to their own country, an accusation that goes as far back as the Roman Empire”

    But there’s never been even a bit of truth to it!! Despite the overwhelming evidence.

    “but charges of disloyalty have long been used to attack Jews.”

    Pshaw! I mean the Rosenbergs, ok. And the thousands of Jewish Communists and their infiltration of the government. And their massive presence in EVERY seditious, disloyal, anti-American movement. But ok, ASIDE from all that…. when have the Jews ever been disloyal?

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Einstein was disloyal to Newton, and to time itself.
    , @Jack D
    Aside from the Rosenbergs, you should mention the disloyal Jews Aldrich Ames, Whittaker Chambers, Alger Hiss, etc. You can tell just from their names that they are Joos too. No true WASP would betray his country.
  4. So we know how the POTUS debates will go in the fall of 2020:

    Donald Trump:”I am more loyal to Israel than Senator Warren…”

    Senator Elizabeth Warren:”I am more loyal to Israel than Donald Trump…”

    Donald Trump:”I will import 1 million LEGAL IMMIGRANTS FROM INDIA a year to America when I am relected…I am therefore not a RACIST!!!…”

    Senator Elizabeth Warren pointing her finger at Donald Trump:”Yes you are Donald Trump…only a million?..What a racist you are…As President of the United States…I will import 4 million Indian LEGAL IMMIGRANTS a year from India to America…”

    Donald Trump:”Oh yeah…I will import 8 million INDIAN LEGAL IMMIGRANTS FROM INDIA TO AMERICA….a year….Your the RACIST!!! Senator Warren…

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  5. anon[150] • Disclaimer says:

    The New York Times is running interference for Israel by pitting Jews together with POC against Trump and his white base. Israel has been in trouble of late with POC since they banned Omar and Rashida Tlaib from entering the country. There has been talk of a resolution condemning Israel as a result. Israel’s UN ambassador is demanding the House condemn the two. Tlaib has suggested a boycott of Bill Maher’s program because he had the audacity as a white male to criticize their position on Israel. Basically, everything that happens in this geographical entity that calls itself the United States these days relates to some group fighting another. Gotta love that diversity. We could have gone to Mars. Shame.

    Evidence:

    “Reps. Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib question whether Israel is a true ally of the US “Denying visit to duly-elected members of Congress is not consistent with being an ally,” Omar said to reporters”

    https://www.salon.com/2019/08/20/reps-ilhan-omar-and-rashida-tlaib-question-whether-israel-is-a-true-ally-of-the-us/

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    Ha Ha! I just quickly skimmed that Slate article and you're absolutely right. Trump has hit huge pay dirt by elevating these morons to the the center of national prominence.

    Here's a sample nugget of what Democrats are now obligated to defend:

    Omar called into question the legitimacy of the alliance between Israel and the U.S. She also suggested that the Middle Eastern nation was behaving in a way antithetical to democracy.
     
    The NYT can't take a side as between Jews and brown people. So they got nothin.' All they can do is reflexively lash out at evil Orange Man.
    , @Laurence Whelk

    We could have gone to Mars. Shame.
     
    Who can know what we (whites) could have accomplished but for our submission to these retrogrades, these interlopers, these dusky usurpers.
    , @Interested Bystander
    “Bill Maher...had the audacity as a white male to criticize their position on Israel.”

    Don’t you mean “as a fellow white male”?
  6. I’d like play a game whereby one is presented with a happening, and you must come up with the NYT headline spin. Whoever gets closest to the real deal wins. Which is difficult on many a level, because there are always several narratives competing to be the Narrative.

    This one is simple almost to the point of elegance. I would probably tend to make em too jokey.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    NYT editors are so clever, and crafty, even mendacious. It's almost as though they're trying to embody some kind of pernicious stereotype. Hard to figure, innit?
    , @Anon
    That game would be fun if the happenings and the NYT spin weren't so regular. Its pretty hard to think of anything that hasn't essentially happened and that the NYT hasn't spun into a pro-Jewish, pro-POC, or anti-White narrative.
  7. @anon
    "The remark was the latest from a president who has a history of language that stokes racial and religious divisions, some of which have surfaced recently in the statements and writings of deranged people bent on committing violence."

    Where's that chart correlating NYT mentions of BLM terms and the homicide rate, again? How many thousands of people did this rag get killed?

    I’m trying to picture divisions being stoked. Nothing comes to my mind’s eye.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    I'm trying to picture divisions being stoked. Nothing comes to my mind’s eye.
     
    Using mixed metaphors and inapt analogies is a sign that the author thinks in cliches.

    "Stoking" and "fueling" are the NYT's current favorite buzz words. If Trump does something, and they can't actually explain why it is bad, they just say it is "stoking" or "fueling" something super-evil like "white nationalism" or "hate."

    A memo must have gone out: Trump is to be labeled as the "stoker-in-chief."

    , @Anon
    Thank me later:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUJe7IqJBao

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f6BIK4U0Og

  8. President Trump said on Tuesday that any Jewish person who votes for a Democrat is guilty of ignorance or “great disloyalty,”

    Why does he have to pick on the Jews? Any person who votes for a Democrat is guilty of great disloyalty.

    • Agree: Corn, snorlax
    • LOL: Aft
  9. Archive.org, please.

  10. Hebrew was commonly spoken in Washington’s Army!

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Hebrew was commonly spoken in Washington’s Army!
     
    Why, I've heard that Hebrew was almost made the official language of the United States! Israel has always been our greatest ally! Even before it existed!
  11. @Peterike
    “the anti-Semitic smear that Jews are more devoted to Israel than they are to their own country, an accusation that goes as far back as the Roman Empire”

    But there’s never been even a bit of truth to it!! Despite the overwhelming evidence.

    “but charges of disloyalty have long been used to attack Jews.”

    Pshaw! I mean the Rosenbergs, ok. And the thousands of Jewish Communists and their infiltration of the government. And their massive presence in EVERY seditious, disloyal, anti-American movement. But ok, ASIDE from all that.... when have the Jews ever been disloyal?

    Einstein was disloyal to Newton, and to time itself.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    is that really fair to say that, hahhahhaaaa?
    , @Hypnotoad666

    Einstein was disloyal to Newton, and to time itself.
     
    But his disloyalty was only relative.
  12. The Times says,

    …his language echoed the anti-Semitic smear that Jews are more devoted to Israel than they are to their own country…

    This is a flat out lie. I watched him and he was very clear. The President of Romania was patiently sitting there through it all. I actually thought Trump was rather effective and clever in what he said.

    BTW he also gave an excellent comment on tariffs, the US trade relationship with China, and short-term vs. long-term economic concerns.

    Regarding the NYTimes deception, don’t Jews read past the headline? Especially the ones in New York must read all the way down to the bottom and then apply their superior logic to find the truth, right?

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    The Jewish Scholarship stereotype, like any group's claim to the intellectual arts, is greatly exaggerated. Everyone claims to be descendants of a long line of wise men. No one claims, "I traced back my family tree. Past my great-grandfather, most males were nicknamed Goatfucker!"
    , @TTSSYF
    Agree. I listened to his entire press conference, and it was one of his best.

    Sadly, the NYT has come a long way from when, 50 years ago, my uncle told me, "If a person read the NYT from cover to cover every day, he wouldn't need a college education." Of course, given what a lot of college degrees are worth today, what he said may still hold true -- just not in the way he intended it.

  13. At this point, does it really matter who the American Jews are disloyal to? (should say: what percentages) – it is a mystery to all of us non-Jews

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    I have experienced a split with Jews - amongst their own - my Jewish friends - some do not talk anymore! Being a Lutheran, it is weird and sad ;( . But, I am happy that Jews are close to a Reformation as should be, the Muslims. too. Whoa
  14. ‘trope’ is a word that people who want other people to know that they are smart, use. I want once a week, for iSteve teamsters to log an over-used word by the left!

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    "Massive" continues to be an annoying all-purpose favorite of journos who fear that "big" or "huge" would simply sound too dumb. But "disproportionate" has been the past month's #1 with a bullet
    , @Days of Broken Arrows
    "Tricky."

    Everything that's obvious to normal people is "tricky" to assess by New York Times writers, both in print and on their Twitter accounts. Why is murder sky-high in Baltimore? It's "tricky" to figure that one out.
    , @Lagertha
    hahhahhaahaaaa! logistically.....realm....exponentially....
  15. I know what Trump is doing. This is headed to a realm where being a Jew who votes for leftists is akin to being a Jew who drives himself to the death camp.
    Or maybe a George Soros.
    Trump knows how to play this game. Best part is, he’s going to be getting the anti-Israel diaspora types to name themselves, and anybody still sitting down on the left who sides with the AIPAC cabal is going to have a glowing double standard.
    All of them will name themselves.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Best part is, he’s going to be getting the anti-Israel diaspora types to name themselves.
     
    There are no "diaspora types" who are anti-Israel.
  16. You
    Guy should NEED to read the 1619 project

    It PROVES the country was founded on slavery and needs to be remade

    Blacks gave America democracy and we are lives tontgem

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna

    we are lives tontgem
     
    You misspelled "Me love you long time" again.

    (I'm going to let Mr Fish have a word with you. Again.)

    , @Bigdicknick
    blacks made america great. That's why anglo settler colonies that didn't have slaves like canada, new zealand and Australia are such crap holes and places with way more slaves like brazil are high tech utopias. Or something.

    Wait, why does this theory literally predict the inverse of reality?
  17. @Lagertha
    At this point, does it really matter who the American Jews are disloyal to? (should say: what percentages) - it is a mystery to all of us non-Jews

    I have experienced a split with Jews – amongst their own – my Jewish friends – some do not talk anymore! Being a Lutheran, it is weird and sad ;( . But, I am happy that Jews are close to a Reformation as should be, the Muslims. too. Whoa

    • Replies: @Charles Martel
    Reminds me of the split between Missouri Synod Lutherans and ELCA, who cordially hate other...
    , @Lagertha
    yah- nevah gonna agreee!
  18. So in effect Trump is saying the Jews are not living up to that “trope”.

  19. He’s doing it again, renting space for free in the heads of liberals. The obvious goal is to splinter his opposition going into 2020 and it’s working. I would add that him bringing up Israel constantly has to make Zionists nervous. They’re really most happy when Israel is not mentioned at all and isn’t in the news. Not possible with Trump around.

  20. @Patrick in SC

    Mr. Trump did not go into specifics about what he considered to be Jews’ disloyalty, but his language echoed the anti-Semitic smear that Jews are more devoted to Israel than they are to their own country, an accusation that goes as far back as the Roman Empire and is now used by white nationalists.

     


    The remark was the latest from a president who has a history of language that stokes racial and religious divisions, some of which have surfaced recently in the statements and writings of deranged people bent on committing violence.
     
    "News."

    Unbelievable. I guess this is part of the new narrative (that was decided two weeks ago) that Trump is a racist (and not a Russian sleeper agent). Glad to see that the NYT can now decide how events should be interpreted before they happen, and even if their own reporting contradicts it. Sad!

  21. @Doktor Jeep
    I know what Trump is doing. This is headed to a realm where being a Jew who votes for leftists is akin to being a Jew who drives himself to the death camp.
    Or maybe a George Soros.
    Trump knows how to play this game. Best part is, he's going to be getting the anti-Israel diaspora types to name themselves, and anybody still sitting down on the left who sides with the AIPAC cabal is going to have a glowing double standard.
    All of them will name themselves.

    Best part is, he’s going to be getting the anti-Israel diaspora types to name themselves.

    There are no “diaspora types” who are anti-Israel.

    • Agree: LondonBob
    • Replies: @notanon

    There are no “diaspora types” who are anti-Israel.
     
    it's relative

    pro-Israel vs pro-Israel (even if it starts WW3)
    , @Anon

    There are no “diaspora types” who are anti-Israel.
     
    That is true. The narrative that there are anti-Israel Jews (who haven't disowned Judaism) is a type of interference propaganda that helps Judaism.

    By ethnic and religious definition, to be Jewish is to be pro-Israel and singularly loyal to Israel (no one can serve two Masters). Jewish identity and the State of Israel cannot be separated whatsoever. The latter is the central pillar of Jewish self understanding, per their religious texts.

    Also, it is worthy to note and as one Israeli Jew recently wrote on a comments section on a Jewish blog, "there are no SJW types in Israel".

    What he means is that there are no anti-Israel (anti-Jewish nationalist) Jews.

    A statement which hints at the root of SJW politics in the West. Only the source of an internationalist and destructive political ideology could be effective at keeping it out of its own culture to the point that it isn't broadly identifiable. To wit, SJW Muslims can be identified in Iran.

    In the West, anti-nationalist and anti-morality SJW politics and their soldiers are created by Jews. In their own nation, they specifically do not look to create those politics. By some form of Jew magic, Jews that are SJWs when in the US subsequently do not exist as such when they make Aliyah to Israel.

  22. Finland was the first country to allow Jews to buy property (Helsinki in the early 1800’s). My grandfather saved 8 students – about 14 perished in WW2. Finland lost another 8 students in the weeks, when it counted. But, Finland never gave up the Jews (about 2000) in Finland – that is in the history books.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    Lagertha- är du Finland svenska?
  23. @guest
    I'd like play a game whereby one is presented with a happening, and you must come up with the NYT headline spin. Whoever gets closest to the real deal wins. Which is difficult on many a level, because there are always several narratives competing to be the Narrative.

    This one is simple almost to the point of elegance. I would probably tend to make em too jokey.

    NYT editors are so clever, and crafty, even mendacious. It’s almost as though they’re trying to embody some kind of pernicious stereotype. Hard to figure, innit?

  24. @Reg Cæsar
    Einstein was disloyal to Newton, and to time itself.

    is that really fair to say that, hahhahhaaaa?

  25. So Trump says Jews should be more loyal to Israel and the lying NYT reports that he said jews should be less loyal to Israel.

    They are pathological. Indeed, the real story would be to ask why Trump thinks Americans should be loyal to a foreign country at all.

    And I love how the NYT is branching out from Fake News to Fake History.

    the anti-Semitic smear that Jews are more devoted to Israel than they are to their own country, an accusation that goes as far back as the Roman Empire”

    First, the sentence is non-sensical because Israel is “their own country.” And secondly, the Jews staged several bloody rebellions against the Roman Empire. So I hardly think it was a “smear” for the Romans to think Jews favored their own country (Israel) over the Empire. But whatever.

    If the NYT wants something to be true, they just say it.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad


    the anti-Semitic smear that Jews are more devoted to Israel than they are to their own country, an accusation that goes as far back as the Roman Empire”
     
    First, the sentence is non-sensical because Israel is “their own country.” And secondly, the Jews staged several bloody rebellions against the Roman Empire. So I hardly think it was a “smear” for the Romans to think Jews favored their own country (Israel) over the Empire. But whatever.
     
    Yep, it is weird.

    The Romans, of course, weren't requiring "loyalty" of subject peoples, but rather simply their obediance. The Jews weren't Roman citizens (at least until late--the 3rd century.) So this would not be the charge the Romans would make. More like is that they thought "Those Jews are a giant pain in the ass." Which, of course was true, because the Jews were loyal to their own nation and kept trying to escape Rome's rule (Isrexit).

    I think you get stupid statements like this because:

    a) The imperial model is actually what Jews like
    If you look at what they are pushing for ... that's it. No one is really a citizen of anything, there's just a big state enforcing the rules, and providing a big market that people can make a living in--and presumably Jews will do well in. (That's the extent of "loyalty" to America from a large number of Jews.)

    b) Jews haven't fully adapted mentally to the existence of Israel.
    Basically Jews have not reformed--and have made no effort to reform--their world view to accomodate the existence of Israel. They now have a nation. And many of them are quite rabidly loyal to it. But their anti-national ideology has not changed one iota. Israel is just special cased--a one off. (Interestingly one of the last formed nations, with its people in having the shortest time on its land of any nation on earth is somehow the only legitimate nation--one that belongs to it's people. Think about it.)

    , @Known Fact
    Even back then the NY Post had a better chariot-racing page
    , @ben tillman
    Moreover, Israel wasn't a country when the Roman Empire existed.
    , @snorlax
    In Roman times it was fighting words to accuse a Jew of being more loyal to the Emperor than his fellow Jews.

    The Romans would probably have used stronger words than "disloyal" to describe stuff like the Second Jewish Revolt, when Jews (mostly outside Judea) took advantage of the withdrawal of the Roman Legions, who were off fighting a war against Persia, to genocidally play Hutus to the gentile Tutsis.

  26. @Tiny Duck
    You
    Guy should NEED to read the 1619 project

    It PROVES the country was founded on slavery and needs to be remade

    Blacks gave America democracy and we are lives tontgem

    we are lives tontgem

    You misspelled “Me love you long time” again.

    (I’m going to let Mr Fish have a word with you. Again.)

  27. @Reg Cæsar
    Einstein was disloyal to Newton, and to time itself.

    Einstein was disloyal to Newton, and to time itself.

    But his disloyalty was only relative.

  28. he risked endangering the bipartisan support of Israel that has long existed in the United States, the country’s most reliable ally.

    I think an argument could be made that Australia is our country’s most reliable ally. They fought with us in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq. Additionally, they pay the full, unsubsidized price for US weapons. Even when we fall behind schedule in delivering a new weapon system to Australia, we make them pay for the interim solution. And so far, they’ve done it at least twice with two major systems.

    As for Trump trying to stir the pot of the coalition of the fringes, it’s about time. That coalition is fragile, and it should be routinely gaslit to attempt to break it up. GOPe has avoided this for years. Much like they avoided picking up that proverbial $100 bill laying on the ground as Sailer likes to describe the immigration restriction position. Let’s hope Trump continues to chip away at the coalition. It would be great to see the democrats fragment.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    istevefan:

    Does Australian reliability arise from the fact that the US came to its WWII defense when Mother England essentially said "tough luck, you're on your own"?

    , @Neuday
    Man, I'd love if Australia became "our closest ally". Instead of revolutionary subversion of our institutions and talmudic sophistry and cultural corruption, we could have international drinking games, ahare notes on how to keep the sheilas from cursing like sailors, and city rugby leagues. And if we have to fight a war it'll be alongside them rather than instead of them.
  29. So, no Kennedy moment then?

  30. Anon[254] • Disclaimer says:

    Actually, the average leftwing Jew is disloyal to both the US and Israel, though some of them hold dual citizenship in these countries. Not sure why either country would bother to tolerate such traitors. If Israel were smart, they’d yank the voting rights of citizens who support Palestinians and other countries with a Death-to-Israel foreign policy.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Actually, the average leftwing Jew is disloyal to both the US and Israel, though some of them hold dual citizenship in these countries.
     
    Actually the average "leftwing Jew" is highly loyal to Israel. In fact, nearly all leftwing Jews, "average" or not, are Zionists. Go ahead and try to name the exceptions.
  31. @Buzz Mohawk
    The Times says,

    ...his language echoed the anti-Semitic smear that Jews are more devoted to Israel than they are to their own country...
     
    This is a flat out lie. I watched him and he was very clear. The President of Romania was patiently sitting there through it all. I actually thought Trump was rather effective and clever in what he said.

    BTW he also gave an excellent comment on tariffs, the US trade relationship with China, and short-term vs. long-term economic concerns.

    Regarding the NYTimes deception, don't Jews read past the headline? Especially the ones in New York must read all the way down to the bottom and then apply their superior logic to find the truth, right?

    The Jewish Scholarship stereotype, like any group’s claim to the intellectual arts, is greatly exaggerated. Everyone claims to be descendants of a long line of wise men. No one claims, “I traced back my family tree. Past my great-grandfather, most males were nicknamed Goatfucker!”

  32. @anon
    The New York Times is running interference for Israel by pitting Jews together with POC against Trump and his white base. Israel has been in trouble of late with POC since they banned Omar and Rashida Tlaib from entering the country. There has been talk of a resolution condemning Israel as a result. Israel's UN ambassador is demanding the House condemn the two. Tlaib has suggested a boycott of Bill Maher's program because he had the audacity as a white male to criticize their position on Israel. Basically, everything that happens in this geographical entity that calls itself the United States these days relates to some group fighting another. Gotta love that diversity. We could have gone to Mars. Shame.

    Evidence:

    "Reps. Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib question whether Israel is a true ally of the US "Denying visit to duly-elected members of Congress is not consistent with being an ally," Omar said to reporters"

    https://www.salon.com/2019/08/20/reps-ilhan-omar-and-rashida-tlaib-question-whether-israel-is-a-true-ally-of-the-us/

    Ha Ha! I just quickly skimmed that Slate article and you’re absolutely right. Trump has hit huge pay dirt by elevating these morons to the the center of national prominence.

    Here’s a sample nugget of what Democrats are now obligated to defend:

    Omar called into question the legitimacy of the alliance between Israel and the U.S. She also suggested that the Middle Eastern nation was behaving in a way antithetical to democracy.

    The NYT can’t take a side as between Jews and brown people. So they got nothin.’ All they can do is reflexively lash out at evil Orange Man.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    If you let your enemy dictate who your leaders are -- and who the face of your party is -- you will definitely lose.

    The D's let Trump pick both. Even after he's proven since 2015 that he's a lot smarter politically than they give him credit for.

    Q's a larp, but he does get one thing right: these people are stupid.
    , @HammerJack

    The NYT can’t take a side as between Jews and brown people. So they got nothin.’ All they can do is reflexively lash out at evil Orange Man.
     
    But that's just it. By instructing everyone to focus on Racist Bad Man, they paper over their own divisions. So long as they can keep everyone distracted, their campaigns can and will continue unimpeded.
    , @TWS
    It's Orange Man Bad. Evil Orange Man is a character on YouTube.
  33. @Hypnotoad666
    Ha Ha! I just quickly skimmed that Slate article and you're absolutely right. Trump has hit huge pay dirt by elevating these morons to the the center of national prominence.

    Here's a sample nugget of what Democrats are now obligated to defend:

    Omar called into question the legitimacy of the alliance between Israel and the U.S. She also suggested that the Middle Eastern nation was behaving in a way antithetical to democracy.
     
    The NYT can't take a side as between Jews and brown people. So they got nothin.' All they can do is reflexively lash out at evil Orange Man.

    If you let your enemy dictate who your leaders are — and who the face of your party is — you will definitely lose.

    The D’s let Trump pick both. Even after he’s proven since 2015 that he’s a lot smarter politically than they give him credit for.

    Q’s a larp, but he does get one thing right: these people are stupid.

  34. Trump is a disappointment.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    That's a matter of opinion. He's come through on several things, including exposing the Dimwitrat party for what they are, and I'm naïve enough (or, as some commenters might say, fooled by the bombast and hucksterism) to think that, if he's re-elected, there is a very good chance he'll throw caution to the wind on some of the things he hasn't yet come through on. In any case, I'd rather have a disappointment than the disaster that I believe Hillary would have been.
    , @Corn
    You’re right.

    His enemies however, are abominable.
    , @Bigdicknick
    he's accomplished nothing concrete, but he has shifted the overton window a ton. He made immigration an issue. He also took a lot of the power out of calling someone a "racist." Although not sure how important that will end up being.
    , @Anonymous

    Trump is a disappointment.
     
    How?
  35. Anonymous[206] • Disclaimer says:

    Setting aside for the moment whether it’s justifiable: I don’t think it’s a stretch to speculate if Tlaib harbors some degree of animus — personal, lived-in animus; like such animus, she could land a regular Unz.com column on the strength of that feel alone — against every category of Jew ever existing whether living in Israel or not, Democrat or Republican, gay, straight, short, tall, left-handed, good at playing piano, likes brown mustard more than yellow mustard, etc. Therefore Trump is within bounds to question the curious circumstances of why non-Republican Jews, i.e. nearly all of them put up with her loudmouth clowning.*

    Oh right, of course they actually do loathe her but can’t publicly state it owing to other unmentioned loyalties (as Trump well knows and exploits constantly). Thought you were more sophisticated than this, Steve.

    *If you deem her stunts to constitute serious political freedom-fighting, you might be a clown too.

    • Agree: sayless
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    her loudmouth clowning.

    Example please?
  36. Anon[178] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump can read Jews like the Torah, playing them off each other. Attribute it to NYC real estate experience in the 80’s, with one foot in the entertainment industry. A recent example is him staying silent on Epstein, so he could hold it over Netanyahu’s head, who worries about BDS and waning support among US conservatives. So Israel, returning the favor, humiliated Omar and Tlaib.

    And Trump, like a developer, can read the demographic leaves (as long as he can mentally model things as a development project). He can spot the difference between secular Jews and Orthodox / Conservative Jews, perhaps doing the mental math that for every one secular Jew being born there are 10-15 Orthodox being born. Also, suspect that at many Galas, he has picked up on the pattern of successful older secular Jewish couples that have sons who marry outside the faith (or quite often, gay sons) or barren daughters.

    Also, there is a lot going on here, metaphorically:

    • Replies: @Jack D

    He can spot the difference between secular Jews and Orthodox / Conservative Jews, perhaps doing the mental math that for every one secular Jew being born there are 10-15 Orthodox being born.
     
    This is going to help Trump BIGLY in the election of 2040, when he will be 94 and going into his 7th term as President.
  37. @guest
    I'm trying to picture divisions being stoked. Nothing comes to my mind's eye.

    I’m trying to picture divisions being stoked. Nothing comes to my mind’s eye.

    Using mixed metaphors and inapt analogies is a sign that the author thinks in cliches.

    “Stoking” and “fueling” are the NYT’s current favorite buzz words. If Trump does something, and they can’t actually explain why it is bad, they just say it is “stoking” or “fueling” something super-evil like “white nationalism” or “hate.”

    A memo must have gone out: Trump is to be labeled as the “stoker-in-chief.”

    • LOL: snorlax
    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
    Back in Antiquity when I still read the Times, their favorite word was "gravitas," a quality that as I recall was attributed only to such people as Madeline Albright
    and Ira Magaziner, and to any goys who were shilling especially hard for
    Our Greatest Ally (TM).
  38. @anon
    "The remark was the latest from a president who has a history of language that stokes racial and religious divisions, some of which have surfaced recently in the statements and writings of deranged people bent on committing violence."

    Where's that chart correlating NYT mentions of BLM terms and the homicide rate, again? How many thousands of people did this rag get killed?

    SJWs always project.

    • Agree: Unladen Swallow
  39. @Hypnotoad666
    Ha Ha! I just quickly skimmed that Slate article and you're absolutely right. Trump has hit huge pay dirt by elevating these morons to the the center of national prominence.

    Here's a sample nugget of what Democrats are now obligated to defend:

    Omar called into question the legitimacy of the alliance between Israel and the U.S. She also suggested that the Middle Eastern nation was behaving in a way antithetical to democracy.
     
    The NYT can't take a side as between Jews and brown people. So they got nothin.' All they can do is reflexively lash out at evil Orange Man.

    The NYT can’t take a side as between Jews and brown people. So they got nothin.’ All they can do is reflexively lash out at evil Orange Man.

    But that’s just it. By instructing everyone to focus on Racist Bad Man, they paper over their own divisions. So long as they can keep everyone distracted, their campaigns can and will continue unimpeded.

    • Replies: @Bigdicknick
    I think the cognitive dissonance of supporting israel + supporting open borders will be too much to paper over if it gets continually spot lighted.
  40. Any way you slice it, that our President finds himself making this statement is sad.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  41. As usual, RT is far more pro-American (as well as far more accurate) than the NYT.

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/466921-1619-nyt-racism-slavery-america/

    But that’s faint praise, isn’t it.

    • Replies: @Aft
    Great link.

    "Nor is there anything subtle about its constituent articles, which all follow the same formula: blaming slavery, a white historical figure, or white people as a class, for present-day shortcomings of American society, which in turn affect black people disproportionately. "
  42. @anon
    The New York Times is running interference for Israel by pitting Jews together with POC against Trump and his white base. Israel has been in trouble of late with POC since they banned Omar and Rashida Tlaib from entering the country. There has been talk of a resolution condemning Israel as a result. Israel's UN ambassador is demanding the House condemn the two. Tlaib has suggested a boycott of Bill Maher's program because he had the audacity as a white male to criticize their position on Israel. Basically, everything that happens in this geographical entity that calls itself the United States these days relates to some group fighting another. Gotta love that diversity. We could have gone to Mars. Shame.

    Evidence:

    "Reps. Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib question whether Israel is a true ally of the US "Denying visit to duly-elected members of Congress is not consistent with being an ally," Omar said to reporters"

    https://www.salon.com/2019/08/20/reps-ilhan-omar-and-rashida-tlaib-question-whether-israel-is-a-true-ally-of-the-us/

    We could have gone to Mars. Shame.

    Who can know what we (whites) could have accomplished but for our submission to these retrogrades, these interlopers, these dusky usurpers.

  43. @istevefan

    he risked endangering the bipartisan support of Israel that has long existed in the United States, the country’s most reliable ally.
     
    I think an argument could be made that Australia is our country's most reliable ally. They fought with us in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq. Additionally, they pay the full, unsubsidized price for US weapons. Even when we fall behind schedule in delivering a new weapon system to Australia, we make them pay for the interim solution. And so far, they've done it at least twice with two major systems.

    As for Trump trying to stir the pot of the coalition of the fringes, it's about time. That coalition is fragile, and it should be routinely gaslit to attempt to break it up. GOPe has avoided this for years. Much like they avoided picking up that proverbial $100 bill laying on the ground as Sailer likes to describe the immigration restriction position. Let's hope Trump continues to chip away at the coalition. It would be great to see the democrats fragment.

    istevefan:

    Does Australian reliability arise from the fact that the US came to its WWII defense when Mother England essentially said “tough luck, you’re on your own”?

    • Replies: @anon
    No.
    Australia had a sudden change in Government in 1941, and the new rulers were, er, ...pacifists.
    Their ''Defence Policy'' was to let the Enemy assemble Fleets off Sydney and Melbourne, whereupon the Authorities would evacuate the population to the bush and torch the cities.
    This must've sounded like either insane bullshit or treachery to Washington, so they invaded the Country themselves in early 1942.
    , @Known Fact
    The wife and I were at an Australian racetrack some 30 years ago and a crusty old Aussie, realizing we were Yanks, said gratefuly, "If it wasn't for you, we'd all be eating rice."
  44. Trump is so toxic he can turn Asians into white supremacists.

    https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/eric-lin/

  45. Mr. Trump did not go into specifics about what he considered to be Jews’ disloyalty, but his language echoed the anti-Semitic smear that Jews are more devoted to Israel than they are to their own country

    “Echoed” is the pivotal word here. Mr. and Mrs. America, President Trump did not explicitly say this, but his language “echoed” (something repeated, something the same as…) whatever it is I want to make you think he means, since of course, I am a mind reader.

  46. @Hypnotoad666
    So Trump says Jews should be more loyal to Israel and the lying NYT reports that he said jews should be less loyal to Israel.

    They are pathological. Indeed, the real story would be to ask why Trump thinks Americans should be loyal to a foreign country at all.

    And I love how the NYT is branching out from Fake News to Fake History.

    the anti-Semitic smear that Jews are more devoted to Israel than they are to their own country, an accusation that goes as far back as the Roman Empire”
     
    First, the sentence is non-sensical because Israel is "their own country." And secondly, the Jews staged several bloody rebellions against the Roman Empire. So I hardly think it was a "smear" for the Romans to think Jews favored their own country (Israel) over the Empire. But whatever.

    If the NYT wants something to be true, they just say it.

    the anti-Semitic smear that Jews are more devoted to Israel than they are to their own country, an accusation that goes as far back as the Roman Empire”

    First, the sentence is non-sensical because Israel is “their own country.” And secondly, the Jews staged several bloody rebellions against the Roman Empire. So I hardly think it was a “smear” for the Romans to think Jews favored their own country (Israel) over the Empire. But whatever.

    Yep, it is weird.

    The Romans, of course, weren’t requiring “loyalty” of subject peoples, but rather simply their obediance. The Jews weren’t Roman citizens (at least until late–the 3rd century.) So this would not be the charge the Romans would make. More like is that they thought “Those Jews are a giant pain in the ass.” Which, of course was true, because the Jews were loyal to their own nation and kept trying to escape Rome’s rule (Isrexit).

    I think you get stupid statements like this because:

    a) The imperial model is actually what Jews like
    If you look at what they are pushing for … that’s it. No one is really a citizen of anything, there’s just a big state enforcing the rules, and providing a big market that people can make a living in–and presumably Jews will do well in. (That’s the extent of “loyalty” to America from a large number of Jews.)

    b) Jews haven’t fully adapted mentally to the existence of Israel.
    Basically Jews have not reformed–and have made no effort to reform–their world view to accomodate the existence of Israel. They now have a nation. And many of them are quite rabidly loyal to it. But their anti-national ideology has not changed one iota. Israel is just special cased–a one off. (Interestingly one of the last formed nations, with its people in having the shortest time on its land of any nation on earth is somehow the only legitimate nation–one that belongs to it’s people. Think about it.)

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    a) The imperial model is actually what Jews like
    If you look at what they are pushing for … that’s it. No one is really a citizen of anything, there’s just a big state enforcing the rules, and providing a big market that people can make a living in–and presumably Jews will do well in.
     
    That is the best of all worlds, isn't it: A globalized, borderless world in which you can live and prosper as an elite diaspora; plus exclusive membership in a nation-state of your own people behind a high wall.

    They want to be duel citizens: "Citizens of the World . . . and Israel."
  47. @Lagertha
    I have experienced a split with Jews - amongst their own - my Jewish friends - some do not talk anymore! Being a Lutheran, it is weird and sad ;( . But, I am happy that Jews are close to a Reformation as should be, the Muslims. too. Whoa

    Reminds me of the split between Missouri Synod Lutherans and ELCA, who cordially hate other…

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    Sundown vs. Sunset
  48. Forget Isreal/ We need to invade and take over Greenland.

  49. It is antisemitic to insinuate that Jewish-Americans have “dual loyalty”, and most people realised that he was talking about Israel, not the United States.

    The idea that this is another cunning ploy by Donald “Greenland” Trump is absurd. All he’s doing is antagonising Jewish-Americans who may have voted Republican or at least stayed at home because of the whole Omar/Tlaib fracas. Jewish-Americans will overwhelmingly vote Democrat again, and now they have another reason to do so: to spite Trump.

    The Democratic coalition of Asian-Americans, Jewish-Americans, African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans and high-IQ whites will be essentially unbroken.

    (On the Greenland issue, the most plausible reason that he cancelled the trip is because President Obama was due to visit Denmark later next month, and because Trump can’t stand that President Obama is far more popular than him in the United States, in Denmark and around the world, he cancelled the trip. President Obama is living rent-free in Trump’s declining, self-loathing head!).

    • Troll: peterike
    • Replies: @Anon

    It is antisemitic to insinuate that Jewish-Americans have “dual loyalty”
     
    Its is absurdly philo-Semitic to insinuate that Jews do not have single loyalty to themselves and Israel (given that there is no such thing as dual loyalty), and it is broadly ignorant of the contents of their religion.

    Its also absurd to imply that anything counter to Jewish interests, even when serving those interests requires a lie like the one that you imply, is some kind of failed moral test.

    Its also absurd to not be anti-Jewish and as the Jews would couch it, antisemitic, given any significant knowledge of their religion.
  50. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dan Hayes
    istevefan:

    Does Australian reliability arise from the fact that the US came to its WWII defense when Mother England essentially said "tough luck, you're on your own"?

    No.
    Australia had a sudden change in Government in 1941, and the new rulers were, er, …pacifists.
    Their ”Defence Policy” was to let the Enemy assemble Fleets off Sydney and Melbourne, whereupon the Authorities would evacuate the population to the bush and torch the cities.
    This must’ve sounded like either insane bullshit or treachery to Washington, so they invaded the Country themselves in early 1942.

  51. @Buzz Mohawk
    The Times says,

    ...his language echoed the anti-Semitic smear that Jews are more devoted to Israel than they are to their own country...
     
    This is a flat out lie. I watched him and he was very clear. The President of Romania was patiently sitting there through it all. I actually thought Trump was rather effective and clever in what he said.

    BTW he also gave an excellent comment on tariffs, the US trade relationship with China, and short-term vs. long-term economic concerns.

    Regarding the NYTimes deception, don't Jews read past the headline? Especially the ones in New York must read all the way down to the bottom and then apply their superior logic to find the truth, right?

    Agree. I listened to his entire press conference, and it was one of his best.

    Sadly, the NYT has come a long way from when, 50 years ago, my uncle told me, “If a person read the NYT from cover to cover every day, he wouldn’t need a college education.” Of course, given what a lot of college degrees are worth today, what he said may still hold true — just not in the way he intended it.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    "One of his best" something, said of Trump, that only makes sense in reference to tweets and other bloviations. Hot air is the only "good" thing from this orange boomer gasbag.

    And even then, in sum, you have to have a pretty low bar.

    Orange boomer has served his purpose. Further loyalty is wasted. Worse, it's counterproductive: "hey I'll grab ankle for the 'lesser evil' every time; serve up whatever slop you like, GOP, and I'll smile and ask for seconds!"

    "Thank you sir may I have another."

    No thanks.

    , @anon
    Nonsense, then and now. The Times was full of politics and culture and other fluffy stuff. How could you possibly have learned math and stats and other STEM stuff, which is all that matters?

    Tho The Times is much better today, when it's full of stories about real stuff like genetics and rat tails and tipping points.
  52. @Daniel H
    Trump is a disappointment.

    That’s a matter of opinion. He’s come through on several things, including exposing the Dimwitrat party for what they are, and I’m naïve enough (or, as some commenters might say, fooled by the bombast and hucksterism) to think that, if he’s re-elected, there is a very good chance he’ll throw caution to the wind on some of the things he hasn’t yet come through on. In any case, I’d rather have a disappointment than the disaster that I believe Hillary would have been.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    Yeah - a matter of good opinion.

    Exceptions allowed for those who had especially low expectations.

  53. @anon
    The New York Times is running interference for Israel by pitting Jews together with POC against Trump and his white base. Israel has been in trouble of late with POC since they banned Omar and Rashida Tlaib from entering the country. There has been talk of a resolution condemning Israel as a result. Israel's UN ambassador is demanding the House condemn the two. Tlaib has suggested a boycott of Bill Maher's program because he had the audacity as a white male to criticize their position on Israel. Basically, everything that happens in this geographical entity that calls itself the United States these days relates to some group fighting another. Gotta love that diversity. We could have gone to Mars. Shame.

    Evidence:

    "Reps. Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib question whether Israel is a true ally of the US "Denying visit to duly-elected members of Congress is not consistent with being an ally," Omar said to reporters"

    https://www.salon.com/2019/08/20/reps-ilhan-omar-and-rashida-tlaib-question-whether-israel-is-a-true-ally-of-the-us/

    “Bill Maher…had the audacity as a white male to criticize their position on Israel.”

    Don’t you mean “as a fellow white male”?

  54. The summer of 1980 I was working at a 99.9% Jewish summer camp close to Honesdale Pa. As a non-Jewish Brit it was an eye-opener to witness the hive mentality from the inside. And, as students do, we got to discussing the state of the world and I was shocked to learn that the vast majority of the Jewish counsellors and waiters (aged 17-21) would not fight for the USA but would for Israel.

    Dual loyalties no doubt about it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    As a non-Jewish Brit it was an eye-opener to witness the hive mentality from the inside.
     
    Could you explain? What sort of things are you referring to?
  55. The orange fag accidentally makes a good point that he didn’t mean to.

  56. @TTSSYF
    That's a matter of opinion. He's come through on several things, including exposing the Dimwitrat party for what they are, and I'm naïve enough (or, as some commenters might say, fooled by the bombast and hucksterism) to think that, if he's re-elected, there is a very good chance he'll throw caution to the wind on some of the things he hasn't yet come through on. In any case, I'd rather have a disappointment than the disaster that I believe Hillary would have been.

    Yeah – a matter of good opinion.

    Exceptions allowed for those who had especially low expectations.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    Whether an opinion is a good one or not is a matter of opinion.
  57. Is “trope” the 2019 Word of the Year? Is it because it’s alliterative with “Trump?”

    it’s used like “canard” to say something is bad without having to say it’s not true – the need for which is interesting in itself – but the fashion for trope over canard could be the alliteration i guess.

    Trump’s statement and the reaction to it has too many dimensions to comprehend.

  58. @TTSSYF
    Agree. I listened to his entire press conference, and it was one of his best.

    Sadly, the NYT has come a long way from when, 50 years ago, my uncle told me, "If a person read the NYT from cover to cover every day, he wouldn't need a college education." Of course, given what a lot of college degrees are worth today, what he said may still hold true -- just not in the way he intended it.

    “One of his best” something, said of Trump, that only makes sense in reference to tweets and other bloviations. Hot air is the only “good” thing from this orange boomer gasbag.

    And even then, in sum, you have to have a pretty low bar.

    Orange boomer has served his purpose. Further loyalty is wasted. Worse, it’s counterproductive: “hey I’ll grab ankle for the ‘lesser evil’ every time; serve up whatever slop you like, GOP, and I’ll smile and ask for seconds!”

    “Thank you sir may I have another.”

    No thanks.

    • Troll: TTSSYF
  59. @HammerJack
    As usual, RT is far more pro-American (as well as far more accurate) than the NYT.

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/466921-1619-nyt-racism-slavery-america/

    But that's faint praise, isn't it.

    Great link.

    “Nor is there anything subtle about its constituent articles, which all follow the same formula: blaming slavery, a white historical figure, or white people as a class, for present-day shortcomings of American society, which in turn affect black people disproportionately. “

  60. This cat has a point. This is what happens when a lowbrow version of WW2 history becomes roughly half of what people think about the past.

  61. @Daniel H
    Trump is a disappointment.

    You’re right.

    His enemies however, are abominable.

  62. @Anonymous

    Best part is, he’s going to be getting the anti-Israel diaspora types to name themselves.
     
    There are no "diaspora types" who are anti-Israel.

    There are no “diaspora types” who are anti-Israel.

    it’s relative

    pro-Israel vs pro-Israel (even if it starts WW3)

    • Replies: @Anonymous


    There are no “diaspora types” who are anti-Israel.
     
    it’s relative

    pro-Israel vs pro-Israel (even if it starts WW3)
     
    Fair point.

    Alternatively, "genocide and ethnic cleansing now" vs "genocide and ethnic cleansing over the next 50 years."
  63. The thing is, Jewish votes don’t matter much. They are only a big block in a few states that will never go for Trump anyway. But the larger base of Jewish voters doesn’t matter. What matters is the Jewish 1%, the ones who fund the Democratic party.

    If Trump can peel even a few of the big money donors away, that does serious damage to the Dems. Trump doesn’t even need them to give to Republicans (after all, they won’t be able to go home for the Seder if they actually gave to the Republicans). He just needs them to shut the check book.

    • Agree: Bigdicknick
    • Replies: @Bigdicknick
    Corbyn proved this is possible although coming at it from the opposite direction lol.
  64. @Daniel H
    Trump is a disappointment.

    he’s accomplished nothing concrete, but he has shifted the overton window a ton. He made immigration an issue. He also took a lot of the power out of calling someone a “racist.” Although not sure how important that will end up being.

  65. @HammerJack

    The NYT can’t take a side as between Jews and brown people. So they got nothin.’ All they can do is reflexively lash out at evil Orange Man.
     
    But that's just it. By instructing everyone to focus on Racist Bad Man, they paper over their own divisions. So long as they can keep everyone distracted, their campaigns can and will continue unimpeded.

    I think the cognitive dissonance of supporting israel + supporting open borders will be too much to paper over if it gets continually spot lighted.

  66. Jews are loyal to Jewish interests over any country they happen to live in.

    They always will be.

    Dispersed as the Jews are, they still form one nation, foreign to the land they live in

    – Thomas Jefferson

  67. Anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Actually, the average leftwing Jew is disloyal to both the US and Israel, though some of them hold dual citizenship in these countries. Not sure why either country would bother to tolerate such traitors. If Israel were smart, they'd yank the voting rights of citizens who support Palestinians and other countries with a Death-to-Israel foreign policy.

    Actually, the average leftwing Jew is disloyal to both the US and Israel, though some of them hold dual citizenship in these countries.

    Actually the average “leftwing Jew” is highly loyal to Israel. In fact, nearly all leftwing Jews, “average” or not, are Zionists. Go ahead and try to name the exceptions.

    • Replies: @Corn
    I can think of that Jewish group Not In Our Name. They don’t strike me as particularly pro-Israel.
  68. @Daniel H
    Trump is a disappointment.

    Trump is a disappointment.

    How?

  69. @Anonymous
    Setting aside for the moment whether it's justifiable: I don't think it's a stretch to speculate if Tlaib harbors some degree of animus -- personal, lived-in animus; like such animus, she could land a regular Unz.com column on the strength of that feel alone -- against every category of Jew ever existing whether living in Israel or not, Democrat or Republican, gay, straight, short, tall, left-handed, good at playing piano, likes brown mustard more than yellow mustard, etc. Therefore Trump is within bounds to question the curious circumstances of why non-Republican Jews, i.e. nearly all of them put up with her loudmouth clowning.*

    Oh right, of course they actually do loathe her but can't publicly state it owing to other unmentioned loyalties (as Trump well knows and exploits constantly). Thought you were more sophisticated than this, Steve.

    *If you deem her stunts to constitute serious political freedom-fighting, you might be a clown too.

    her loudmouth clowning.

    Example please?

  70. The remark was the latest from a president who has a history of language that stokes racial and religious divisions

    But divisions are our greatest strength! Don’t we always hear that? Sure, they say “diversity” instead of “divisions,” but it’s really the same thing, isn’t it?

    • Agree: ben tillman
  71. @Hypnotoad666
    Ha Ha! I just quickly skimmed that Slate article and you're absolutely right. Trump has hit huge pay dirt by elevating these morons to the the center of national prominence.

    Here's a sample nugget of what Democrats are now obligated to defend:

    Omar called into question the legitimacy of the alliance between Israel and the U.S. She also suggested that the Middle Eastern nation was behaving in a way antithetical to democracy.
     
    The NYT can't take a side as between Jews and brown people. So they got nothin.' All they can do is reflexively lash out at evil Orange Man.

    It’s Orange Man Bad. Evil Orange Man is a character on YouTube.

  72. @Lagertha
    'trope' is a word that people who want other people to know that they are smart, use. I want once a week, for iSteve teamsters to log an over-used word by the left!

    “Massive” continues to be an annoying all-purpose favorite of journos who fear that “big” or “huge” would simply sound too dumb. But “disproportionate” has been the past month’s #1 with a bullet

  73. @Hypnotoad666
    So Trump says Jews should be more loyal to Israel and the lying NYT reports that he said jews should be less loyal to Israel.

    They are pathological. Indeed, the real story would be to ask why Trump thinks Americans should be loyal to a foreign country at all.

    And I love how the NYT is branching out from Fake News to Fake History.

    the anti-Semitic smear that Jews are more devoted to Israel than they are to their own country, an accusation that goes as far back as the Roman Empire”
     
    First, the sentence is non-sensical because Israel is "their own country." And secondly, the Jews staged several bloody rebellions against the Roman Empire. So I hardly think it was a "smear" for the Romans to think Jews favored their own country (Israel) over the Empire. But whatever.

    If the NYT wants something to be true, they just say it.

    Even back then the NY Post had a better chariot-racing page

  74. @Dan Hayes
    istevefan:

    Does Australian reliability arise from the fact that the US came to its WWII defense when Mother England essentially said "tough luck, you're on your own"?

    The wife and I were at an Australian racetrack some 30 years ago and a crusty old Aussie, realizing we were Yanks, said gratefuly, “If it wasn’t for you, we’d all be eating rice.”

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Nodwink
    sushi is awesome
  75. Trump Puts The Interests Of Israel Ahead Of The Interests Of The United States Of America

    TRUMP IS TREASON!

  76. @Hypnotoad666
    So Trump says Jews should be more loyal to Israel and the lying NYT reports that he said jews should be less loyal to Israel.

    They are pathological. Indeed, the real story would be to ask why Trump thinks Americans should be loyal to a foreign country at all.

    And I love how the NYT is branching out from Fake News to Fake History.

    the anti-Semitic smear that Jews are more devoted to Israel than they are to their own country, an accusation that goes as far back as the Roman Empire”
     
    First, the sentence is non-sensical because Israel is "their own country." And secondly, the Jews staged several bloody rebellions against the Roman Empire. So I hardly think it was a "smear" for the Romans to think Jews favored their own country (Israel) over the Empire. But whatever.

    If the NYT wants something to be true, they just say it.

    Moreover, Israel wasn’t a country when the Roman Empire existed.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    It was, until A.D. 100, and Jews were still rebelling to try to make it an independent state again as late as the A.D. 600s.
  77. @Tiny Duck
    You
    Guy should NEED to read the 1619 project

    It PROVES the country was founded on slavery and needs to be remade

    Blacks gave America democracy and we are lives tontgem

    blacks made america great. That’s why anglo settler colonies that didn’t have slaves like canada, new zealand and Australia are such crap holes and places with way more slaves like brazil are high tech utopias. Or something.

    Wait, why does this theory literally predict the inverse of reality?

    • LOL: TWS
  78. @Father O'Hara
    Hebrew was commonly spoken in Washington's Army!

    Hebrew was commonly spoken in Washington’s Army!

    Why, I’ve heard that Hebrew was almost made the official language of the United States! Israel has always been our greatest ally! Even before it existed!

  79. @guest
    I'm trying to picture divisions being stoked. Nothing comes to my mind's eye.

    Thank me later:

  80. The other night on FOX “News”, Laura Ingraham, along with all her guests, were fawning all over our best-little-buddy in the World. She even said “I can’t help myself. I just have to defend Israel”. She didn’t say “It’s in my contract”, but she might as well of.

    Israel: the Raymond Shaw of nations.

    Isn’t this level of obsequiousness starting to get obvious, even to normies?

    • Replies: @Bigdicknick
    the invention of social media was pretty much the beginning of the end for our Greatest Ally's(TM) reputation. You really can fool most of the people most of the time if you control access to information.
    , @Vinteuil

    Isn’t this level of obsequiousness starting to get obvious, even to normies?
     
    Apparently not.
    , @Hunsdon
    That's quite good.
  81. @ben tillman
    Moreover, Israel wasn't a country when the Roman Empire existed.

    It was, until A.D. 100, and Jews were still rebelling to try to make it an independent state again as late as the A.D. 600s.

    • Replies: @anon
    Really? What kind of "country" has a Roman proconsul to whom charges of treason are brought? The Romans just finally got tired of letting Herod and the Jews pretend to be independent.
    , @Anonymous

    It was, until A.D. 100, and Jews were still rebelling to try to make it an independent state again as late as the A.D. 600s.
     
    It is a misnomer to refer to that as "Israel." You falsely imply an identity with the "State of Israel" that was declared in 1947 and comprised a different people and different territory.
  82. Well, what else can be expected from the NY Times when they publish things like this:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/30/upshot/crime-immigration-myth.html

    In 136 metro areas, almost 70 percent of those studied, the immigrant population increased between 1980 and 2016 while crime stayed stable or fell. The number of areas where crime and immigration both increased was much lower — 54 areas, slightly more than a quarter of the total. The 10 places with the largest increases in immigrants all had lower levels of crime in 2016 than in 1980.

    Are they trying to claim that immigrants actually lower crime? Have they counted in illegals?

    • Replies: @Charon
    Nearly every U.S. city experienced a decline in crime during that period. It's just another variety of NYT fake news. They're so clever!

    True on the face of it, but they're trying mightily (and no doubt successfully) to get their readers to draw a false conclusion.

    , @al gore rhythms
    If immigrants move to black areas, forcing the blacks out, then the crime rate will go down, won't it?
  83. @guest
    I'd like play a game whereby one is presented with a happening, and you must come up with the NYT headline spin. Whoever gets closest to the real deal wins. Which is difficult on many a level, because there are always several narratives competing to be the Narrative.

    This one is simple almost to the point of elegance. I would probably tend to make em too jokey.

    That game would be fun if the happenings and the NYT spin weren’t so regular. Its pretty hard to think of anything that hasn’t essentially happened and that the NYT hasn’t spun into a pro-Jewish, pro-POC, or anti-White narrative.

  84. Well, it’s about time someone noticed that if you have “dual loyalty” there might come a time when, you know, those loyalties will conflict.

    “You cannot serve both God and Mammon.”

    “A house divided against itself must fall.”

  85. @snorlax
    It was, until A.D. 100, and Jews were still rebelling to try to make it an independent state again as late as the A.D. 600s.

    Really? What kind of “country” has a Roman proconsul to whom charges of treason are brought? The Romans just finally got tired of letting Herod and the Jews pretend to be independent.

  86. @Hypnotoad666
    So Trump says Jews should be more loyal to Israel and the lying NYT reports that he said jews should be less loyal to Israel.

    They are pathological. Indeed, the real story would be to ask why Trump thinks Americans should be loyal to a foreign country at all.

    And I love how the NYT is branching out from Fake News to Fake History.

    the anti-Semitic smear that Jews are more devoted to Israel than they are to their own country, an accusation that goes as far back as the Roman Empire”
     
    First, the sentence is non-sensical because Israel is "their own country." And secondly, the Jews staged several bloody rebellions against the Roman Empire. So I hardly think it was a "smear" for the Romans to think Jews favored their own country (Israel) over the Empire. But whatever.

    If the NYT wants something to be true, they just say it.

    In Roman times it was fighting words to accuse a Jew of being more loyal to the Emperor than his fellow Jews.

    The Romans would probably have used stronger words than “disloyal” to describe stuff like the Second Jewish Revolt, when Jews (mostly outside Judea) took advantage of the withdrawal of the Roman Legions, who were off fighting a war against Persia, to genocidally play Hutus to the gentile Tutsis.

  87. anon[181] • Disclaimer says:
    @TTSSYF
    Agree. I listened to his entire press conference, and it was one of his best.

    Sadly, the NYT has come a long way from when, 50 years ago, my uncle told me, "If a person read the NYT from cover to cover every day, he wouldn't need a college education." Of course, given what a lot of college degrees are worth today, what he said may still hold true -- just not in the way he intended it.

    Nonsense, then and now. The Times was full of politics and culture and other fluffy stuff. How could you possibly have learned math and stats and other STEM stuff, which is all that matters?

    Tho The Times is much better today, when it’s full of stories about real stuff like genetics and rat tails and tipping points.

    • Disagree: TTSSYF
    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    How many STEM courses does the non-STEM major take, now or then?

    He wasn’t referring to only STEM degrees. There was a bit of hyperbole in the statement, no doubt, but his overall point was that a person can educate himself by being a voracious reader on a wide variety of topics (we were on a whirlwind tour of NYC when he said that, so that might have been what prompted the statement about the NYT; regardless, I think he had a fair amount of respect for it back then, as a lot of people did). He was a brilliant man, and that comment stayed with me as amusing and insightful, and also lacking in snobbishness despite his having advanced degrees from Ivy League universities. Sorry you see it as pure nonsense. Feel free to ignore my comments from now on.

  88. Anon[360] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Best part is, he’s going to be getting the anti-Israel diaspora types to name themselves.
     
    There are no "diaspora types" who are anti-Israel.

    There are no “diaspora types” who are anti-Israel.

    That is true. The narrative that there are anti-Israel Jews (who haven’t disowned Judaism) is a type of interference propaganda that helps Judaism.

    By ethnic and religious definition, to be Jewish is to be pro-Israel and singularly loyal to Israel (no one can serve two Masters). Jewish identity and the State of Israel cannot be separated whatsoever. The latter is the central pillar of Jewish self understanding, per their religious texts.

    Also, it is worthy to note and as one Israeli Jew recently wrote on a comments section on a Jewish blog, “there are no SJW types in Israel”.

    What he means is that there are no anti-Israel (anti-Jewish nationalist) Jews.

    A statement which hints at the root of SJW politics in the West. Only the source of an internationalist and destructive political ideology could be effective at keeping it out of its own culture to the point that it isn’t broadly identifiable. To wit, SJW Muslims can be identified in Iran.

    In the West, anti-nationalist and anti-morality SJW politics and their soldiers are created by Jews. In their own nation, they specifically do not look to create those politics. By some form of Jew magic, Jews that are SJWs when in the US subsequently do not exist as such when they make Aliyah to Israel.

    • Replies: @Dissident

    By ethnic and religious definition, to be Jewish is to be pro-Israel and singularly loyal to Israel (no one can serve two Masters). Jewish identity and the State of Israel cannot be separated whatsoever. The latter is the central pillar of Jewish self understanding, per their religious texts.
     
    Whoa boy! Where to even begin with this one...

    The foundational and canonical texts of Judaism predate the establishment of the modern secular state that calls itself Israel by millennia. Zionism, a predominately secular and even explicitly anti-religious movement, was vehemently opposed by a nearly-unanimous consensus of the leading rabbis. Even to this day, there are many devoutly Orthodox Jews who emphatically reject and even oppose Zionism.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZUqGmMqJio
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQD8vW8qTow


    In the West, anti-nationalist and anti-morality SJW politics and their soldiers are created by Jews. In their own nation, they specifically do not look to create those politics. By some form of Jew magic, Jews that are SJWs when in the US subsequently do not exist as such when they make Aliyah to Israel.
     
    Actually there are plenty of SJW and Cult-Marx types within Israel. Problems with African immigrants and the same kind of politics and drama surrounding them that we have here in the U.S.

    The Zionist State of Israel is one of the first countries to have a woman Prime Minister. One of the first to have women serve in combat. When it comes to pornography, abortion, and Sodomite depravity, Tel Aviv easily rivals any other secular cosmopolis.

    , @Shmendrix
    So wrong, despite what someone wrote on the internet.

    There's no shortage of Israelis who consider themselves "post-Zionist" and support all sorts of SJW positions which are designed to lessen and/or eliminate the Jewish character of the country.

    Luckily, they are a small minority with little political power.

  89. Anon[360] • Disclaimer says:
    @Edward
    It is antisemitic to insinuate that Jewish-Americans have “dual loyalty”, and most people realised that he was talking about Israel, not the United States.

    The idea that this is another cunning ploy by Donald “Greenland” Trump is absurd. All he’s doing is antagonising Jewish-Americans who may have voted Republican or at least stayed at home because of the whole Omar/Tlaib fracas. Jewish-Americans will overwhelmingly vote Democrat again, and now they have another reason to do so: to spite Trump.

    The Democratic coalition of Asian-Americans, Jewish-Americans, African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans and high-IQ whites will be essentially unbroken.

    (On the Greenland issue, the most plausible reason that he cancelled the trip is because President Obama was due to visit Denmark later next month, and because Trump can’t stand that President Obama is far more popular than him in the United States, in Denmark and around the world, he cancelled the trip. President Obama is living rent-free in Trump’s declining, self-loathing head!).

    It is antisemitic to insinuate that Jewish-Americans have “dual loyalty”

    Its is absurdly philo-Semitic to insinuate that Jews do not have single loyalty to themselves and Israel (given that there is no such thing as dual loyalty), and it is broadly ignorant of the contents of their religion.

    Its also absurd to imply that anything counter to Jewish interests, even when serving those interests requires a lie like the one that you imply, is some kind of failed moral test.

    Its also absurd to not be anti-Jewish and as the Jews would couch it, antisemitic, given any significant knowledge of their religion.

    • Agree: Moses
    • Replies: @Edward
    So, is Mr Trump right or wrong to say that Jewish-Americans are overwhelmingly voting against their interests?

    If he is, then you're wrong. (And, many Jews aren't "religious", and some religious Jews aren't supporters of the State of Israel).

    My Ashkenazi Jewish girlfriend (from Israel) is baffled by the notion that Jewish-Americans should somehow "show loyalty" to Israel. Is she engaging in deception here?

    You malcontents really need to get off your message boards and go out into the real world. Thankfully, you people are a dying breed. You really are "left behind" - intellectually and ethically, that is.

  90. Anonymous[242] • Disclaimer says:
    @snorlax
    It was, until A.D. 100, and Jews were still rebelling to try to make it an independent state again as late as the A.D. 600s.

    It was, until A.D. 100, and Jews were still rebelling to try to make it an independent state again as late as the A.D. 600s.

    It is a misnomer to refer to that as “Israel.” You falsely imply an identity with the “State of Israel” that was declared in 1947 and comprised a different people and different territory.

  91. Speaking of the tribe. Of course this would only apply to cancer below the neck.

    Now, she’s coming in to get a port put into her upper chest for easy access to the new cocktail of chemotherapy she’s about to begin. As she waits in a wheelchair, she reflects that coping with advanced ovarian cancer for the last two and a half years has been devastating, ”
    And it could almost certainly have been prevented — if she’d had her DNA tested in time and had her ovaries and fallopian tubes removed.

    So she welcomes an influential federal panel’s new recommendations on BRCA gene mutations, which convey an unusually high risk of cancer. The panel says that Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry — meaning Jewish forebears from Eastern Europe — is enough to consider genetic testing for BRCA mutations, even without a known family history of cancer.

    https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2019/08/21/cancer-patient-brca-ashkenazi-jew

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    And it could almost certainly have been prevented — if she’d had her DNA tested in time and had her ovaries and fallopian tubes removed.
     
    But that's evil eugenics!! People should be willing to die in order to prevent the Nazi scourge of eugenics from making a reappearance.
  92. @anon
    "The remark was the latest from a president who has a history of language that stokes racial and religious divisions, some of which have surfaced recently in the statements and writings of deranged people bent on committing violence."

    Where's that chart correlating NYT mentions of BLM terms and the homicide rate, again? How many thousands of people did this rag get killed?

    This is, I think, a relatively new phenomenon – NY Times reporters inserting little editorials about what an awful person and a liar Trump is and how he is the cause of all of our problems into news stories.

    When did this start? Was it only after Trump was elected or did they do this during the campaign or for previous Republican Presidents or politicians?

    I can imagine in the old days the editors would have just crossed stuff like this out and yelled at the reporter for veering off topic but clearly not anymore.

    OT, they had Cindy McCain on the CBS news this morning (McCain has been dead for a year). She said that the thing she was most proud of was McCain’s 2008 concession speech. Apparently the highest and best calling of a Republican is to be a gracious loser.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    Apparently the highest and best calling of a Republican is to be a gracious loser.
     
    It's the entire reason he got a state funeral over genuine war heroes in Vietnam who risked more and achieved more than he did. His entire military career also revolved around being a good loser, starting with being taken prisoner. It's one thing to sympathize with a POW, but a descent into fetish to lionize him for it.
    , @Hypnotoad666

    This is, I think, a relatively new phenomenon – NY Times reporters inserting little editorials about what an awful person and a liar Trump is and how he is the cause of all of our problems into news stories.
     
    The NYT should spare us the canned boilerplate about Trump being evil. Instead, they should just sign off every article, like Cato the Elder, with the epigram: "Trump Must be Destroyed."

    "Ceterum autem censeo ̶C̶a̶r̶t̶h̶a̶g̶i̶n̶e̶m̶ Trumpum esse delendam" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carthago_delenda_est

    , @AnotherDad

    OT, they had Cindy McCain on the CBS news this morning (McCain has been dead for a year). She said that the thing she was most proud of was McCain’s 2008 concession speech. Apparently the highest and best calling of a Republican is to be a gracious loser.
     
    These cultural threads are difficult to tease out.

    I see our core problem as minoritarianism. (And i know we differ on the Jewish role in propagandizing that.)

    But--as i've pointed out several times--there is an independent problem vector which is the distinct difference in the female personality profile--yielding (surrendering) and nurturing--relative to the male.

    (This is separate from but dovetails with the problem of feminism, which since Jewish led 2nd wave feminism has had a strong minoritarian (oppressive men, virtuous women) component. They dovetail in that feminism pushes more women into power and influence and legitimizes and amplifies these female thought patterns.)

    These stereotypically female behaviors--yielding, nurturing--are virtues in the context of marriage and family. But they are absolutely terrible--and fatal--for public policy. Public policy is fundamentally, not about nurturing but enforcement. Enforcing rule-of-law amongst men, killing or expelling law breakers, defending borders, crushing invaders, smiting one's enemies.

    We're being feminized to death. When "don't be mean" replaces "defend the nation" ... your nation is screwed.
  93. @Peterike
    “the anti-Semitic smear that Jews are more devoted to Israel than they are to their own country, an accusation that goes as far back as the Roman Empire”

    But there’s never been even a bit of truth to it!! Despite the overwhelming evidence.

    “but charges of disloyalty have long been used to attack Jews.”

    Pshaw! I mean the Rosenbergs, ok. And the thousands of Jewish Communists and their infiltration of the government. And their massive presence in EVERY seditious, disloyal, anti-American movement. But ok, ASIDE from all that.... when have the Jews ever been disloyal?

    Aside from the Rosenbergs, you should mention the disloyal Jews Aldrich Ames, Whittaker Chambers, Alger Hiss, etc. You can tell just from their names that they are Joos too. No true WASP would betray his country.

    • Replies: @lavoisier

    No true WASP would betray his country.
     
    Are you kidding me?

    Wilson, Roosevelt, Eisenhower, LBJ, Bush, Clinton, Cheney, McCain, Hagee, Trump etc, etc, etc. and ad infinitum.

    Without the treachery of the WASPS the Jews would have had to be content with usury and not nation destruction.

    , @Dissident
    Jack, how carefully did you read peterike's comment?

    Did he claim that there have been no disloyal non-Jews?

    Peterike claimed that Jews have had a "massive presence in EVERY seditious, disloyal, anti-American movement". Perhaps "EVERY" (in all-caps, no less) was an overstatement. But is it not a fact that Jews (albeit overwhelmingly irreligious, atheist and even apostate ones)have been vastly over-represented in at least many, if not most of movements that can be reasonably characterized as "seditious, disloyal, anti-American movement[s]"?
    ~ ~ ~
    I agree with Mr. Sailer's commentary and analysis.


    Shouldn’t the controversy be instead over why the President is criticizing American citizens for not being loyal enough to a foreign power?
     
    Yes, that certainly should be the controversy here. We should be asking why and how the lobby of a foreign power wields such immense power over our politics and policy. But we know what happens to those who ask such questions, don't we? Commenter AnotherDad may have summed-up the rather grotesque reality best when he wrote,

    Any way you slice it, that our President finds himself making this statement is sad.

    , @Peterike
    “Aside from the Rosenbergs, you should mention the disloyal Jews Aldrich Ames, Whittaker Chambers, Alger Hiss, etc. You can tell just from their names that they are Joos too. No true WASP would betray his country.”

    Lol! Per capita, Jackie boy. Per capita.
  94. @Anon
    Trump can read Jews like the Torah, playing them off each other. Attribute it to NYC real estate experience in the 80's, with one foot in the entertainment industry. A recent example is him staying silent on Epstein, so he could hold it over Netanyahu's head, who worries about BDS and waning support among US conservatives. So Israel, returning the favor, humiliated Omar and Tlaib.

    And Trump, like a developer, can read the demographic leaves (as long as he can mentally model things as a development project). He can spot the difference between secular Jews and Orthodox / Conservative Jews, perhaps doing the mental math that for every one secular Jew being born there are 10-15 Orthodox being born. Also, suspect that at many Galas, he has picked up on the pattern of successful older secular Jewish couples that have sons who marry outside the faith (or quite often, gay sons) or barren daughters.

    Also, there is a lot going on here, metaphorically:

    https://s.abcnews.com/images/Politics/gy_wedding3_dc_062517_4x3_992.jpg

    He can spot the difference between secular Jews and Orthodox / Conservative Jews, perhaps doing the mental math that for every one secular Jew being born there are 10-15 Orthodox being born.

    This is going to help Trump BIGLY in the election of 2040, when he will be 94 and going into his 7th term as President.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  95. @Jack D
    This is, I think, a relatively new phenomenon - NY Times reporters inserting little editorials about what an awful person and a liar Trump is and how he is the cause of all of our problems into news stories.

    When did this start? Was it only after Trump was elected or did they do this during the campaign or for previous Republican Presidents or politicians?

    I can imagine in the old days the editors would have just crossed stuff like this out and yelled at the reporter for veering off topic but clearly not anymore.

    OT, they had Cindy McCain on the CBS news this morning (McCain has been dead for a year). She said that the thing she was most proud of was McCain's 2008 concession speech. Apparently the highest and best calling of a Republican is to be a gracious loser.

    Apparently the highest and best calling of a Republican is to be a gracious loser.

    It’s the entire reason he got a state funeral over genuine war heroes in Vietnam who risked more and achieved more than he did. His entire military career also revolved around being a good loser, starting with being taken prisoner. It’s one thing to sympathize with a POW, but a descent into fetish to lionize him for it.

  96. @anon
    Nonsense, then and now. The Times was full of politics and culture and other fluffy stuff. How could you possibly have learned math and stats and other STEM stuff, which is all that matters?

    Tho The Times is much better today, when it's full of stories about real stuff like genetics and rat tails and tipping points.

    How many STEM courses does the non-STEM major take, now or then?

    He wasn’t referring to only STEM degrees. There was a bit of hyperbole in the statement, no doubt, but his overall point was that a person can educate himself by being a voracious reader on a wide variety of topics (we were on a whirlwind tour of NYC when he said that, so that might have been what prompted the statement about the NYT; regardless, I think he had a fair amount of respect for it back then, as a lot of people did). He was a brilliant man, and that comment stayed with me as amusing and insightful, and also lacking in snobbishness despite his having advanced degrees from Ivy League universities. Sorry you see it as pure nonsense. Feel free to ignore my comments from now on.

  97. In his heart, Trump knows he’s living in post-America.

  98. @peterike
    The thing is, Jewish votes don't matter much. They are only a big block in a few states that will never go for Trump anyway. But the larger base of Jewish voters doesn't matter. What matters is the Jewish 1%, the ones who fund the Democratic party.

    If Trump can peel even a few of the big money donors away, that does serious damage to the Dems. Trump doesn't even need them to give to Republicans (after all, they won't be able to go home for the Seder if they actually gave to the Republicans). He just needs them to shut the check book.

    Corbyn proved this is possible although coming at it from the opposite direction lol.

  99. @AnotherDad


    the anti-Semitic smear that Jews are more devoted to Israel than they are to their own country, an accusation that goes as far back as the Roman Empire”
     
    First, the sentence is non-sensical because Israel is “their own country.” And secondly, the Jews staged several bloody rebellions against the Roman Empire. So I hardly think it was a “smear” for the Romans to think Jews favored their own country (Israel) over the Empire. But whatever.
     
    Yep, it is weird.

    The Romans, of course, weren't requiring "loyalty" of subject peoples, but rather simply their obediance. The Jews weren't Roman citizens (at least until late--the 3rd century.) So this would not be the charge the Romans would make. More like is that they thought "Those Jews are a giant pain in the ass." Which, of course was true, because the Jews were loyal to their own nation and kept trying to escape Rome's rule (Isrexit).

    I think you get stupid statements like this because:

    a) The imperial model is actually what Jews like
    If you look at what they are pushing for ... that's it. No one is really a citizen of anything, there's just a big state enforcing the rules, and providing a big market that people can make a living in--and presumably Jews will do well in. (That's the extent of "loyalty" to America from a large number of Jews.)

    b) Jews haven't fully adapted mentally to the existence of Israel.
    Basically Jews have not reformed--and have made no effort to reform--their world view to accomodate the existence of Israel. They now have a nation. And many of them are quite rabidly loyal to it. But their anti-national ideology has not changed one iota. Israel is just special cased--a one off. (Interestingly one of the last formed nations, with its people in having the shortest time on its land of any nation on earth is somehow the only legitimate nation--one that belongs to it's people. Think about it.)

    a) The imperial model is actually what Jews like
    If you look at what they are pushing for … that’s it. No one is really a citizen of anything, there’s just a big state enforcing the rules, and providing a big market that people can make a living in–and presumably Jews will do well in.

    That is the best of all worlds, isn’t it: A globalized, borderless world in which you can live and prosper as an elite diaspora; plus exclusive membership in a nation-state of your own people behind a high wall.

    They want to be duel citizens: “Citizens of the World . . . and Israel.”

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    That is the best of all worlds, isn’t it: A globalized, borderless world in which you can live and prosper as an elite diaspora; plus exclusive membership in a nation-state of your own people behind a high wall.

    They want to be duel citizens: “Citizens of the World . . . and Israel.”
     
    The "dual loyalty" charge gets Jews amped up because it's so obviously true.

    The Jews didn't have the luxury of physical territory for--pick a number--1800 years. But they continued to be loyal to their own tribe The disapora situation--where the ethnic networking was helpful/profitable--meant that Jews were always amongst other peoples, but refusing (99%) to integrate with them. And the religion evolved to further reinforce the endogamy, tribalism and outsider hostility.

    So the core Jewish behavior is to show up in another nation, adamantly refuse to integrate with them--to their ways, norms, values, culture and race--forever; but to beg, ask, demand (as the situation allows) that the host nation treat them as just one of the boys, solid citizens, with all the same rights and privileges. (Only Jews are allowed to have a nation with their own race and culture. Everyone else is ... a marketplace.)

    And if people take umbrage at this blatantly illogical nonsense ... they are anti-Semities.
  100. @George Taylor
    Speaking of the tribe. Of course this would only apply to cancer below the neck.

    Now, she's coming in to get a port put into her upper chest for easy access to the new cocktail of chemotherapy she's about to begin. As she waits in a wheelchair, she reflects that coping with advanced ovarian cancer for the last two and a half years has been devastating, "
    And it could almost certainly have been prevented — if she'd had her DNA tested in time and had her ovaries and fallopian tubes removed.

    So she welcomes an influential federal panel's new recommendations on BRCA gene mutations, which convey an unusually high risk of cancer. The panel says that Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry — meaning Jewish forebears from Eastern Europe — is enough to consider genetic testing for BRCA mutations, even without a known family history of cancer.
     
    https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2019/08/21/cancer-patient-brca-ashkenazi-jew

    And it could almost certainly have been prevented — if she’d had her DNA tested in time and had her ovaries and fallopian tubes removed.

    But that’s evil eugenics!! People should be willing to die in order to prevent the Nazi scourge of eugenics from making a reappearance.

  101. It’s Trump’s dyslexic way of saying “America first!”

  102. Anonymous[280] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump is the master of dog-whistling at leftist Jews, and much of Trump hysteria is leftist Jews taking the bait.

    Example: Trump calls the media evil and disgusting. His audience thinks he is talking about the media. But Jews in the media think he is talking about them, as Jews. They would call him anti-Semitic, but that leads to some awkward questions about the demographic makeup of the media. But then, to make matters worse, after Trump spends 15 minutes calling the media parasites, he tops it by saying, “Jews love me.”

  103. @Jack D
    This is, I think, a relatively new phenomenon - NY Times reporters inserting little editorials about what an awful person and a liar Trump is and how he is the cause of all of our problems into news stories.

    When did this start? Was it only after Trump was elected or did they do this during the campaign or for previous Republican Presidents or politicians?

    I can imagine in the old days the editors would have just crossed stuff like this out and yelled at the reporter for veering off topic but clearly not anymore.

    OT, they had Cindy McCain on the CBS news this morning (McCain has been dead for a year). She said that the thing she was most proud of was McCain's 2008 concession speech. Apparently the highest and best calling of a Republican is to be a gracious loser.

    This is, I think, a relatively new phenomenon – NY Times reporters inserting little editorials about what an awful person and a liar Trump is and how he is the cause of all of our problems into news stories.

    The NYT should spare us the canned boilerplate about Trump being evil. Instead, they should just sign off every article, like Cato the Elder, with the epigram: “Trump Must be Destroyed.”

    “Ceterum autem censeo ̶C̶a̶r̶t̶h̶a̶g̶i̶n̶e̶m̶ Trumpum esse delendam” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carthago_delenda_est

  104. @Peripatetic Commenter
    Well, what else can be expected from the NY Times when they publish things like this:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/30/upshot/crime-immigration-myth.html

    In 136 metro areas, almost 70 percent of those studied, the immigrant population increased between 1980 and 2016 while crime stayed stable or fell. The number of areas where crime and immigration both increased was much lower — 54 areas, slightly more than a quarter of the total. The 10 places with the largest increases in immigrants all had lower levels of crime in 2016 than in 1980.
     
    Are they trying to claim that immigrants actually lower crime? Have they counted in illegals?

    Nearly every U.S. city experienced a decline in crime during that period. It’s just another variety of NYT fake news. They’re so clever!

    True on the face of it, but they’re trying mightily (and no doubt successfully) to get their readers to draw a false conclusion.

  105. @Jan
    The summer of 1980 I was working at a 99.9% Jewish summer camp close to Honesdale Pa. As a non-Jewish Brit it was an eye-opener to witness the hive mentality from the inside. And, as students do, we got to discussing the state of the world and I was shocked to learn that the vast majority of the Jewish counsellors and waiters (aged 17-21) would not fight for the USA but would for Israel.

    Dual loyalties no doubt about it.

    As a non-Jewish Brit it was an eye-opener to witness the hive mentality from the inside.

    Could you explain? What sort of things are you referring to?

  106. @notanon

    There are no “diaspora types” who are anti-Israel.
     
    it's relative

    pro-Israel vs pro-Israel (even if it starts WW3)

    There are no “diaspora types” who are anti-Israel.

    it’s relative

    pro-Israel vs pro-Israel (even if it starts WW3)

    Fair point.

    Alternatively, “genocide and ethnic cleansing now” vs “genocide and ethnic cleansing over the next 50 years.”

  107. @Lagertha
    'trope' is a word that people who want other people to know that they are smart, use. I want once a week, for iSteve teamsters to log an over-used word by the left!

    “Tricky.”

    Everything that’s obvious to normal people is “tricky” to assess by New York Times writers, both in print and on their Twitter accounts. Why is murder sky-high in Baltimore? It’s “tricky” to figure that one out.

  108. @Hypnotoad666

    a) The imperial model is actually what Jews like
    If you look at what they are pushing for … that’s it. No one is really a citizen of anything, there’s just a big state enforcing the rules, and providing a big market that people can make a living in–and presumably Jews will do well in.
     
    That is the best of all worlds, isn't it: A globalized, borderless world in which you can live and prosper as an elite diaspora; plus exclusive membership in a nation-state of your own people behind a high wall.

    They want to be duel citizens: "Citizens of the World . . . and Israel."

    That is the best of all worlds, isn’t it: A globalized, borderless world in which you can live and prosper as an elite diaspora; plus exclusive membership in a nation-state of your own people behind a high wall.

    They want to be duel citizens: “Citizens of the World . . . and Israel.”

    The “dual loyalty” charge gets Jews amped up because it’s so obviously true.

    The Jews didn’t have the luxury of physical territory for–pick a number–1800 years. But they continued to be loyal to their own tribe The disapora situation–where the ethnic networking was helpful/profitable–meant that Jews were always amongst other peoples, but refusing (99%) to integrate with them. And the religion evolved to further reinforce the endogamy, tribalism and outsider hostility.

    So the core Jewish behavior is to show up in another nation, adamantly refuse to integrate with them–to their ways, norms, values, culture and race–forever; but to beg, ask, demand (as the situation allows) that the host nation treat them as just one of the boys, solid citizens, with all the same rights and privileges. (Only Jews are allowed to have a nation with their own race and culture. Everyone else is … a marketplace.)

    And if people take umbrage at this blatantly illogical nonsense … they are anti-Semities.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Why is it not possible to have a country with two (or more) parallel cultures with equal legal rights - Quebec, Belgium, etc.? Why is the smaller group obligated to dissolve into the larger? Jews don't demand that "ONLY" Jews can have a culture and religion - they just want to keep their own and not (fully) adopt yours but you seem to regard that as some kind of personal insult. "What, my culture is not good enough for you, you lousy ingrates? " You need to get that chip off your shoulder.

    Now naturally, if Jews have a choice between people with your "assimilate, leave or die" mentality and those who say "each may dwell under his own fig tree" (as Washington did), naturally they prefer the latter and will try to push your type off the stage. This doesn't mean that they hate Americans - they hate people with the "assimilate or die" mentality. They love the other kind.
  109. @Peripatetic Commenter
    Well, what else can be expected from the NY Times when they publish things like this:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/30/upshot/crime-immigration-myth.html

    In 136 metro areas, almost 70 percent of those studied, the immigrant population increased between 1980 and 2016 while crime stayed stable or fell. The number of areas where crime and immigration both increased was much lower — 54 areas, slightly more than a quarter of the total. The 10 places with the largest increases in immigrants all had lower levels of crime in 2016 than in 1980.
     
    Are they trying to claim that immigrants actually lower crime? Have they counted in illegals?

    If immigrants move to black areas, forcing the blacks out, then the crime rate will go down, won’t it?

  110. @Jack D
    This is, I think, a relatively new phenomenon - NY Times reporters inserting little editorials about what an awful person and a liar Trump is and how he is the cause of all of our problems into news stories.

    When did this start? Was it only after Trump was elected or did they do this during the campaign or for previous Republican Presidents or politicians?

    I can imagine in the old days the editors would have just crossed stuff like this out and yelled at the reporter for veering off topic but clearly not anymore.

    OT, they had Cindy McCain on the CBS news this morning (McCain has been dead for a year). She said that the thing she was most proud of was McCain's 2008 concession speech. Apparently the highest and best calling of a Republican is to be a gracious loser.

    OT, they had Cindy McCain on the CBS news this morning (McCain has been dead for a year). She said that the thing she was most proud of was McCain’s 2008 concession speech. Apparently the highest and best calling of a Republican is to be a gracious loser.

    These cultural threads are difficult to tease out.

    I see our core problem as minoritarianism. (And i know we differ on the Jewish role in propagandizing that.)

    But–as i’ve pointed out several times–there is an independent problem vector which is the distinct difference in the female personality profile–yielding (surrendering) and nurturing–relative to the male.

    (This is separate from but dovetails with the problem of feminism, which since Jewish led 2nd wave feminism has had a strong minoritarian (oppressive men, virtuous women) component. They dovetail in that feminism pushes more women into power and influence and legitimizes and amplifies these female thought patterns.)

    These stereotypically female behaviors–yielding, nurturing–are virtues in the context of marriage and family. But they are absolutely terrible–and fatal–for public policy. Public policy is fundamentally, not about nurturing but enforcement. Enforcing rule-of-law amongst men, killing or expelling law breakers, defending borders, crushing invaders, smiting one’s enemies.

    We’re being feminized to death. When “don’t be mean” replaces “defend the nation” … your nation is screwed.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Cindy was on TV because she is leading some sort of "restoring civility to public discourse" initiative. I got the feeling that "restoring civility" is code for "getting rid of Trump". When Democrats are in power (preferably both houses of Congress and all three branches of government) there's no need to restore civility. Restoring civility doesn't mean getting rid of AOC and Ilhan Omar, it means getting rid of Trump.
  111. @Mr. Anon
    The other night on FOX "News", Laura Ingraham, along with all her guests, were fawning all over our best-little-buddy in the World. She even said "I can't help myself. I just have to defend Israel". She didn't say "It's in my contract", but she might as well of.

    Israel: the Raymond Shaw of nations.

    Isn't this level of obsequiousness starting to get obvious, even to normies?

    the invention of social media was pretty much the beginning of the end for our Greatest Ally’s(TM) reputation. You really can fool most of the people most of the time if you control access to information.

  112. There is no maga.

    There is only miga.

  113. @Mr. Anon
    The other night on FOX "News", Laura Ingraham, along with all her guests, were fawning all over our best-little-buddy in the World. She even said "I can't help myself. I just have to defend Israel". She didn't say "It's in my contract", but she might as well of.

    Israel: the Raymond Shaw of nations.

    Isn't this level of obsequiousness starting to get obvious, even to normies?

    Isn’t this level of obsequiousness starting to get obvious, even to normies?

    Apparently not.

  114. @AnotherDad

    OT, they had Cindy McCain on the CBS news this morning (McCain has been dead for a year). She said that the thing she was most proud of was McCain’s 2008 concession speech. Apparently the highest and best calling of a Republican is to be a gracious loser.
     
    These cultural threads are difficult to tease out.

    I see our core problem as minoritarianism. (And i know we differ on the Jewish role in propagandizing that.)

    But--as i've pointed out several times--there is an independent problem vector which is the distinct difference in the female personality profile--yielding (surrendering) and nurturing--relative to the male.

    (This is separate from but dovetails with the problem of feminism, which since Jewish led 2nd wave feminism has had a strong minoritarian (oppressive men, virtuous women) component. They dovetail in that feminism pushes more women into power and influence and legitimizes and amplifies these female thought patterns.)

    These stereotypically female behaviors--yielding, nurturing--are virtues in the context of marriage and family. But they are absolutely terrible--and fatal--for public policy. Public policy is fundamentally, not about nurturing but enforcement. Enforcing rule-of-law amongst men, killing or expelling law breakers, defending borders, crushing invaders, smiting one's enemies.

    We're being feminized to death. When "don't be mean" replaces "defend the nation" ... your nation is screwed.

    Cindy was on TV because she is leading some sort of “restoring civility to public discourse” initiative. I got the feeling that “restoring civility” is code for “getting rid of Trump”. When Democrats are in power (preferably both houses of Congress and all three branches of government) there’s no need to restore civility. Restoring civility doesn’t mean getting rid of AOC and Ilhan Omar, it means getting rid of Trump.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Jack D:

    Cindy's late unlamented husband Sen John had her pegged with this AngloSaxism descriptor: "f***ing c**t". Crude, but aptly hits the mark!

  115. @AnotherDad

    That is the best of all worlds, isn’t it: A globalized, borderless world in which you can live and prosper as an elite diaspora; plus exclusive membership in a nation-state of your own people behind a high wall.

    They want to be duel citizens: “Citizens of the World . . . and Israel.”
     
    The "dual loyalty" charge gets Jews amped up because it's so obviously true.

    The Jews didn't have the luxury of physical territory for--pick a number--1800 years. But they continued to be loyal to their own tribe The disapora situation--where the ethnic networking was helpful/profitable--meant that Jews were always amongst other peoples, but refusing (99%) to integrate with them. And the religion evolved to further reinforce the endogamy, tribalism and outsider hostility.

    So the core Jewish behavior is to show up in another nation, adamantly refuse to integrate with them--to their ways, norms, values, culture and race--forever; but to beg, ask, demand (as the situation allows) that the host nation treat them as just one of the boys, solid citizens, with all the same rights and privileges. (Only Jews are allowed to have a nation with their own race and culture. Everyone else is ... a marketplace.)

    And if people take umbrage at this blatantly illogical nonsense ... they are anti-Semities.

    Why is it not possible to have a country with two (or more) parallel cultures with equal legal rights – Quebec, Belgium, etc.? Why is the smaller group obligated to dissolve into the larger? Jews don’t demand that “ONLY” Jews can have a culture and religion – they just want to keep their own and not (fully) adopt yours but you seem to regard that as some kind of personal insult. “What, my culture is not good enough for you, you lousy ingrates? ” You need to get that chip off your shoulder.

    Now naturally, if Jews have a choice between people with your “assimilate, leave or die” mentality and those who say “each may dwell under his own fig tree” (as Washington did), naturally they prefer the latter and will try to push your type off the stage. This doesn’t mean that they hate Americans – they hate people with the “assimilate or die” mentality. They love the other kind.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    Why is it not possible to have a country with two (or more) parallel cultures with equal legal rights – Quebec, Belgium, etc.?
     
    Quebec and Belgium are your ideas of great success?

    Compelling.

    Geez, why not Northern Ireland, Bosnia, eastern Ukraine, Jammu and Kashmir, Rwanda, Mindanao, Timor, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Israel and most obviously--right there in Philadelphia!--blacks and whites in the US.

    ~

    Why is it not possible to have a country with two (or more) parallel cultures with equal legal rights – Quebec, Belgium, etc.?
     
    And finally "parallel cultures" ... is, of course, not the Jewish ask--"whine", "demand".

    If it was then Jews would not be bitching about "restricted country clubs" or "Harvard quotas". Those are precisely "parallel cultures". Actually the Harvard quotas were super-generous. Parallel cultures would have been "Protestants only", and the Jews could go build their own universities--which is mostly what the Catholics did.

    No--as i keep pointing out, and you keep dancing around Jewish lawyer style but can't acknowledge--the Jewish demand is
    -- "we have our culture, our stuff, our "vine and fig tree"
    -- but you have to share yours with us.
    , @AnotherDad

    Why is the smaller group obligated to dissolve into the larger? Jews don’t demand that “ONLY” Jews can have a culture and religion – they just want to keep their own and not (fully) adopt yours but you seem to regard that as some kind of personal insult. “What, my culture is not good enough for you, you lousy ingrates? ” You need to get that chip off your shoulder.
     



    "Culture and religion" is the same as "how we do things, how we behave". Religion has been supplanted to some extent in the modern West, but historically religion is the binder that sets the terms of social interactions. We assent to these principles. We agree to do things this way. ​

    If you have 31--or even two--different flavors of "how we do things" that actually exist in one geography and the people are interacting then ​
    a) there is contention and​
    b) someone wins and someone loses.​

    Why is the smaller group obligated to dissolve into the larger?
     

    If groups come and do not "dissovle" into the majority culture, basically that means that there is continual contention sufficient to keep them separate. Otherwise they "dissolve". Any continued intact presence of a minority, means that there is sufficient contention, hostility or incompatibility to keep them apart. That can come from the majority not wanting to associate--blacks in the US--or a minority that is hostile to integration--Jews throughout European history.​

    Neither of these makes for a more pleasant society.​

    ~~

    Better question: Why should the majority tolerate a non-integrating minority? What's the upside?

    Why live with--sub-optimal--contention, when you don't have to? "You don't like our culture, don't want to do things our way ... you're not welcome here." Say that--keep the minorities out--and then you and your descendants live a better happier life. ​

    Do gentiles benefit when some obnoxious Jew is whining about Christmas decorations or carols?
    (He doesn't even have to anymore. At our kids' school "Winter program" the apparatchik gave us a lecture beforehand about "diversity"--i.e. why traditional carols were absent. And then the program had not one, but two Jewish songs--one seemingly religious in character (though I couldn't understand it because it was in foreign tongue). This despite the actual minorities in our system being overwhelmingly Chinese and Indians.) Or bitching about this that or the other thing being excised so he and his kids don't feel unwelcome? Uh ... no.

    Jews have benefited mightily--and continue to do so--from middle manning in gentile societies. But, for the gentile majority it's just economic competition, lost wealth, suppressed development and unpleasant, annoying contention.​ New minorities like Muslims are just going to make life even more fun.

    Diversity is not a strength. It's contention, conflict and--at best--annoyance. It does not make life better, it makes it worse. And there's no reason a majority should allow it, let it come in.

    , @AnotherDad

    Now naturally, if Jews have a choice between people with your “assimilate, leave or die” mentality and those who say “each may dwell under his own fig tree” (as Washington did), naturally they prefer the latter and will try to push your type off the stage. This doesn’t mean that they hate Americans – they hate people with the “assimilate or die” mentality. They love the other kind.
     
    (I'll skip that you twist the meaning of Washington's "each may dwell under his own vine and fig tree" quote. We've discussed before.)

    The part i bolded is just a lie.

    As i've said a good many times, no middle man minority in the history of planet has been treated as openly and as generously as the Jews have been treated by gentile Americans. (The absolutely trivial nature of Jewish complaints--Harvard quotas and the Golfocaust are testament.)

    Yet Jews have returned that generousity with a campaign of invective, contempt, abuse and propagandizing a minoritarian--minorities good, white gentiles bad--ideology that seeks to strip white gentiles of the nation their ancestors built.

    That's love?
    , @Anonymous

    Jews don’t demand that “ONLY” Jews can have a culture and religion – they just want to keep their own and not (fully) adopt yours but you seem to regard that as some kind of personal insult.
     
    Why won't they assimilate and join the people they seek to live amongst?
    , @Moses

    Jews don’t demand that “ONLY” Jews can have a culture and religion – they just want to keep their own and not (fully) adopt yours
     
    LOL!

    And while Jews demand they get to "keep their own" they work tirelessly to ensure that we Whites CANNOT "keep our own" in our own countries.

    To wit:
    - Jewish activists the driving force behind the 1965 Hart Celler Immigration Act ending American preference for culturally similar European immigration ("This Act will not change the demographics of America" - erm, yeah)

    - Jewish groups unlawfully occupying ICE locations to protest deportation of people who broke our laws to enter USA, while they stay silent on Israelis deporting Africans and building walls

    - Jews contribute mightily to the suppression of Christmas everywhere -- Whites NOT ALLOWED to have our own public Christmas culture in OUR OWN COUNTRY but Jews can celebrate Channakah publicly in Israel

    - Jewish money working to silence any immigration-restriction (i.e. David Gelbaum's $100 million donation to the Sierra Club with the condition they drop their anti-immigration stance because muh holocaust!) -- you are not allowed to keep your nation White, goy!

    - Common dual citizenship of Jewish members of Congress and Israel (this would fail the most basic "conflict of interest" test)

    Jack, you look silly.

    I want what the Jews have in Israel - a state that values the historic people of the nation, and which puts the interests of those people above outsiders and internal aliens.

    But that's bad for the Jews.
  116. @Jack D
    Cindy was on TV because she is leading some sort of "restoring civility to public discourse" initiative. I got the feeling that "restoring civility" is code for "getting rid of Trump". When Democrats are in power (preferably both houses of Congress and all three branches of government) there's no need to restore civility. Restoring civility doesn't mean getting rid of AOC and Ilhan Omar, it means getting rid of Trump.

    Jack D:

    Cindy’s late unlamented husband Sen John had her pegged with this AngloSaxism descriptor: “f***ing c**t”. Crude, but aptly hits the mark!

  117. @Mr. Anon
    The other night on FOX "News", Laura Ingraham, along with all her guests, were fawning all over our best-little-buddy in the World. She even said "I can't help myself. I just have to defend Israel". She didn't say "It's in my contract", but she might as well of.

    Israel: the Raymond Shaw of nations.

    Isn't this level of obsequiousness starting to get obvious, even to normies?

    That’s quite good.

  118. Anonymous[366] • Disclaimer says:

    White voters should be accusing Trump of great disloyalty. He’s done precious little for white people while going to hell and back for Jews and Israel who already have been getting EVERYTHING from both parties.

    Also, Trump’s nastiness toward Palestinians shows what a cruel bastard he is and how retarded most of his supporters are when it comes to Israel. Don’t these idiots know that it was the Jews, not the Palestinians, who engineered the Great Replacement of whites in both US/Canada and Europe? Tim Wise and his ilk are not Palestinians. They are Jews. ADL, SPLC, and etc are all funded and run by Jews. Hollywood is Jewish-run, and its two main targets of defamation and dehumanization have been white conservatives/southerners and Arabs(usually portrayed as terrorists). Also, Jewish power has worked with Saudis, the biggest sponsors of terrorism in the region, against leaders like Assad who, for all their faults, have been for modernization and secularization. If anything, Israel and Zionist-ruled US has been working with radical Jihadi terrorists against moderate Arab leaders.

    White people who sneer at Palestinians deserve their own replacement: White Nakba. If white people are dumb & retarded enough to cheer for the very group(Jews) that means them the most harm while mocking the very people whose plight of Nakba anticipated what Jews have in store for the entire white race, they cannot be helped. They really must go and fade from history for being STUPID.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
    White Nabka needs to go viral.
  119. So the schizoid NYT is accusing Trump of being anti-Semitic for being philo-Semitic?

    No end to the spinning dishonesty of this bird cage rag.

  120. @istevefan

    he risked endangering the bipartisan support of Israel that has long existed in the United States, the country’s most reliable ally.
     
    I think an argument could be made that Australia is our country's most reliable ally. They fought with us in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq. Additionally, they pay the full, unsubsidized price for US weapons. Even when we fall behind schedule in delivering a new weapon system to Australia, we make them pay for the interim solution. And so far, they've done it at least twice with two major systems.

    As for Trump trying to stir the pot of the coalition of the fringes, it's about time. That coalition is fragile, and it should be routinely gaslit to attempt to break it up. GOPe has avoided this for years. Much like they avoided picking up that proverbial $100 bill laying on the ground as Sailer likes to describe the immigration restriction position. Let's hope Trump continues to chip away at the coalition. It would be great to see the democrats fragment.

    Man, I’d love if Australia became “our closest ally”. Instead of revolutionary subversion of our institutions and talmudic sophistry and cultural corruption, we could have international drinking games, ahare notes on how to keep the sheilas from cursing like sailors, and city rugby leagues. And if we have to fight a war it’ll be alongside them rather than instead of them.

  121. Clare Malone at 538 gets it right:

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Clare Malone at 538 gets it right:
     
    What is her point?
  122. i’m not your trope, canard.

    i’m not your canard, smear.

    i’m not your smear, trope.

  123. @Jack D
    Aside from the Rosenbergs, you should mention the disloyal Jews Aldrich Ames, Whittaker Chambers, Alger Hiss, etc. You can tell just from their names that they are Joos too. No true WASP would betray his country.

    No true WASP would betray his country.

    Are you kidding me?

    Wilson, Roosevelt, Eisenhower, LBJ, Bush, Clinton, Cheney, McCain, Hagee, Trump etc, etc, etc. and ad infinitum.

    Without the treachery of the WASPS the Jews would have had to be content with usury and not nation destruction.

  124. @Jack D
    Why is it not possible to have a country with two (or more) parallel cultures with equal legal rights - Quebec, Belgium, etc.? Why is the smaller group obligated to dissolve into the larger? Jews don't demand that "ONLY" Jews can have a culture and religion - they just want to keep their own and not (fully) adopt yours but you seem to regard that as some kind of personal insult. "What, my culture is not good enough for you, you lousy ingrates? " You need to get that chip off your shoulder.

    Now naturally, if Jews have a choice between people with your "assimilate, leave or die" mentality and those who say "each may dwell under his own fig tree" (as Washington did), naturally they prefer the latter and will try to push your type off the stage. This doesn't mean that they hate Americans - they hate people with the "assimilate or die" mentality. They love the other kind.

    Why is it not possible to have a country with two (or more) parallel cultures with equal legal rights – Quebec, Belgium, etc.?

    Quebec and Belgium are your ideas of great success?

    Compelling.

    Geez, why not Northern Ireland, Bosnia, eastern Ukraine, Jammu and Kashmir, Rwanda, Mindanao, Timor, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Israel and most obviously–right there in Philadelphia!–blacks and whites in the US.

    ~

    Why is it not possible to have a country with two (or more) parallel cultures with equal legal rights – Quebec, Belgium, etc.?

    And finally “parallel cultures” … is, of course, not the Jewish ask–“whine”, “demand”.

    If it was then Jews would not be bitching about “restricted country clubs” or “Harvard quotas”. Those are precisely “parallel cultures”. Actually the Harvard quotas were super-generous. Parallel cultures would have been “Protestants only”, and the Jews could go build their own universities–which is mostly what the Catholics did.

    No–as i keep pointing out, and you keep dancing around Jewish lawyer style but can’t acknowledge–the Jewish demand is
    — “we have our culture, our stuff, our “vine and fig tree”
    — but you have to share yours with us.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Quebec and Belgium are your ideas of great success?
     
    They are not unsuccessful. One could do much worse. Then there is also the example of Switzerland, which most people would call a success.

    But as you point out, that isn't what commenter Jack D is really calling for - not for us and ours, just for him and his.

    I also noticed he casually slipped in the "your're all secretly Nazis" bit by characterizing your opinion as "leave, assimilate, or die". Nobody said anything about "die". You certainly didn't. Perhaps it just isn't possible for tribe A to share a polity with tribe B, when tribe B always harbors the suspicion - often not far from the surface - that tribe A is out to do it in. You can't really share a house with somebody who deep down suspects that you are a murderer.
  125. @Svigor
    Yeah - a matter of good opinion.

    Exceptions allowed for those who had especially low expectations.

    Whether an opinion is a good one or not is a matter of opinion.

  126. @Jack D
    Aside from the Rosenbergs, you should mention the disloyal Jews Aldrich Ames, Whittaker Chambers, Alger Hiss, etc. You can tell just from their names that they are Joos too. No true WASP would betray his country.

    Jack, how carefully did you read peterike’s comment?

    Did he claim that there have been no disloyal non-Jews?

    Peterike claimed that Jews have had a “massive presence in EVERY seditious, disloyal, anti-American movement”. Perhaps “EVERY” (in all-caps, no less) was an overstatement. But is it not a fact that Jews (albeit overwhelmingly irreligious, atheist and even apostate ones)have been vastly over-represented in at least many, if not most of movements that can be reasonably characterized as “seditious, disloyal, anti-American movement[s]”?
    ~ ~ ~
    I agree with Mr. Sailer’s commentary and analysis.

    Shouldn’t the controversy be instead over why the President is criticizing American citizens for not being loyal enough to a foreign power?

    Yes, that certainly should be the controversy here. We should be asking why and how the lobby of a foreign power wields such immense power over our politics and policy. But we know what happens to those who ask such questions, don’t we? Commenter AnotherDad may have summed-up the rather grotesque reality best when he wrote,

    Any way you slice it, that our President finds himself making this statement is sad.

  127. @Anonymous
    White voters should be accusing Trump of great disloyalty. He's done precious little for white people while going to hell and back for Jews and Israel who already have been getting EVERYTHING from both parties.

    Also, Trump's nastiness toward Palestinians shows what a cruel bastard he is and how retarded most of his supporters are when it comes to Israel. Don't these idiots know that it was the Jews, not the Palestinians, who engineered the Great Replacement of whites in both US/Canada and Europe? Tim Wise and his ilk are not Palestinians. They are Jews. ADL, SPLC, and etc are all funded and run by Jews. Hollywood is Jewish-run, and its two main targets of defamation and dehumanization have been white conservatives/southerners and Arabs(usually portrayed as terrorists). Also, Jewish power has worked with Saudis, the biggest sponsors of terrorism in the region, against leaders like Assad who, for all their faults, have been for modernization and secularization. If anything, Israel and Zionist-ruled US has been working with radical Jihadi terrorists against moderate Arab leaders.

    White people who sneer at Palestinians deserve their own replacement: White Nakba. If white people are dumb & retarded enough to cheer for the very group(Jews) that means them the most harm while mocking the very people whose plight of Nakba anticipated what Jews have in store for the entire white race, they cannot be helped. They really must go and fade from history for being STUPID.

    White Nabka needs to go viral.

  128. @Jack D
    Why is it not possible to have a country with two (or more) parallel cultures with equal legal rights - Quebec, Belgium, etc.? Why is the smaller group obligated to dissolve into the larger? Jews don't demand that "ONLY" Jews can have a culture and religion - they just want to keep their own and not (fully) adopt yours but you seem to regard that as some kind of personal insult. "What, my culture is not good enough for you, you lousy ingrates? " You need to get that chip off your shoulder.

    Now naturally, if Jews have a choice between people with your "assimilate, leave or die" mentality and those who say "each may dwell under his own fig tree" (as Washington did), naturally they prefer the latter and will try to push your type off the stage. This doesn't mean that they hate Americans - they hate people with the "assimilate or die" mentality. They love the other kind.

    Why is the smaller group obligated to dissolve into the larger? Jews don’t demand that “ONLY” Jews can have a culture and religion – they just want to keep their own and not (fully) adopt yours but you seem to regard that as some kind of personal insult. “What, my culture is not good enough for you, you lousy ingrates? ” You need to get that chip off your shoulder.



    “Culture and religion” is the same as “how we do things, how we behave”. Religion has been supplanted to some extent in the modern West, but historically religion is the binder that sets the terms of social interactions. We assent to these principles. We agree to do things this way. ​

    If you have 31–or even two–different flavors of “how we do things” that actually exist in one geography and the people are interacting then ​
    a) there is contention and​
    b) someone wins and someone loses.​

    Why is the smaller group obligated to dissolve into the larger?

    If groups come and do not “dissovle” into the majority culture, basically that means that there is continual contention sufficient to keep them separate. Otherwise they “dissolve”. Any continued intact presence of a minority, means that there is sufficient contention, hostility or incompatibility to keep them apart. That can come from the majority not wanting to associate–blacks in the US–or a minority that is hostile to integration–Jews throughout European history.​

    Neither of these makes for a more pleasant society.​

    ~~

    Better question: Why should the majority tolerate a non-integrating minority? What’s the upside?

    Why live with–sub-optimal–contention, when you don’t have to? “You don’t like our culture, don’t want to do things our way … you’re not welcome here.” Say that–keep the minorities out–and then you and your descendants live a better happier life. ​

    Do gentiles benefit when some obnoxious Jew is whining about Christmas decorations or carols?
    (He doesn’t even have to anymore. At our kids’ school “Winter program” the apparatchik gave us a lecture beforehand about “diversity”–i.e. why traditional carols were absent. And then the program had not one, but two Jewish songs–one seemingly religious in character (though I couldn’t understand it because it was in foreign tongue). This despite the actual minorities in our system being overwhelmingly Chinese and Indians.) Or bitching about this that or the other thing being excised so he and his kids don’t feel unwelcome? Uh … no.

    Jews have benefited mightily–and continue to do so–from middle manning in gentile societies. But, for the gentile majority it’s just economic competition, lost wealth, suppressed development and unpleasant, annoying contention.​ New minorities like Muslims are just going to make life even more fun.

    Diversity is not a strength. It’s contention, conflict and–at best–annoyance. It does not make life better, it makes it worse. And there’s no reason a majority should allow it, let it come in.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Better question: Why should the majority tolerate a non-integrating minority? What’s the upside?
     
    Indeed. And what, too, is the downside.
  129. @Jack D
    Why is it not possible to have a country with two (or more) parallel cultures with equal legal rights - Quebec, Belgium, etc.? Why is the smaller group obligated to dissolve into the larger? Jews don't demand that "ONLY" Jews can have a culture and religion - they just want to keep their own and not (fully) adopt yours but you seem to regard that as some kind of personal insult. "What, my culture is not good enough for you, you lousy ingrates? " You need to get that chip off your shoulder.

    Now naturally, if Jews have a choice between people with your "assimilate, leave or die" mentality and those who say "each may dwell under his own fig tree" (as Washington did), naturally they prefer the latter and will try to push your type off the stage. This doesn't mean that they hate Americans - they hate people with the "assimilate or die" mentality. They love the other kind.

    Now naturally, if Jews have a choice between people with your “assimilate, leave or die” mentality and those who say “each may dwell under his own fig tree” (as Washington did), naturally they prefer the latter and will try to push your type off the stage. This doesn’t mean that they hate Americans – they hate people with the “assimilate or die” mentality. They love the other kind.

    (I’ll skip that you twist the meaning of Washington’s “each may dwell under his own vine and fig tree” quote. We’ve discussed before.)

    The part i bolded is just a lie.

    As i’ve said a good many times, no middle man minority in the history of planet has been treated as openly and as generously as the Jews have been treated by gentile Americans. (The absolutely trivial nature of Jewish complaints–Harvard quotas and the Golfocaust are testament.)

    Yet Jews have returned that generousity with a campaign of invective, contempt, abuse and propagandizing a minoritarian–minorities good, white gentiles bad–ideology that seeks to strip white gentiles of the nation their ancestors built.

    That’s love?

  130. @Jack D
    Aside from the Rosenbergs, you should mention the disloyal Jews Aldrich Ames, Whittaker Chambers, Alger Hiss, etc. You can tell just from their names that they are Joos too. No true WASP would betray his country.

    “Aside from the Rosenbergs, you should mention the disloyal Jews Aldrich Ames, Whittaker Chambers, Alger Hiss, etc. You can tell just from their names that they are Joos too. No true WASP would betray his country.”

    Lol! Per capita, Jackie boy. Per capita.

  131. @AnotherDad

    Why is it not possible to have a country with two (or more) parallel cultures with equal legal rights – Quebec, Belgium, etc.?
     
    Quebec and Belgium are your ideas of great success?

    Compelling.

    Geez, why not Northern Ireland, Bosnia, eastern Ukraine, Jammu and Kashmir, Rwanda, Mindanao, Timor, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Israel and most obviously--right there in Philadelphia!--blacks and whites in the US.

    ~

    Why is it not possible to have a country with two (or more) parallel cultures with equal legal rights – Quebec, Belgium, etc.?
     
    And finally "parallel cultures" ... is, of course, not the Jewish ask--"whine", "demand".

    If it was then Jews would not be bitching about "restricted country clubs" or "Harvard quotas". Those are precisely "parallel cultures". Actually the Harvard quotas were super-generous. Parallel cultures would have been "Protestants only", and the Jews could go build their own universities--which is mostly what the Catholics did.

    No--as i keep pointing out, and you keep dancing around Jewish lawyer style but can't acknowledge--the Jewish demand is
    -- "we have our culture, our stuff, our "vine and fig tree"
    -- but you have to share yours with us.

    Quebec and Belgium are your ideas of great success?

    They are not unsuccessful. One could do much worse. Then there is also the example of Switzerland, which most people would call a success.

    But as you point out, that isn’t what commenter Jack D is really calling for – not for us and ours, just for him and his.

    I also noticed he casually slipped in the “your’re all secretly Nazis” bit by characterizing your opinion as “leave, assimilate, or die”. Nobody said anything about “die”. You certainly didn’t. Perhaps it just isn’t possible for tribe A to share a polity with tribe B, when tribe B always harbors the suspicion – often not far from the surface – that tribe A is out to do it in. You can’t really share a house with somebody who deep down suspects that you are a murderer.

    • Replies: @Bigdicknick
    exactly. If you think someone is on the verge of killing you, it pretty much excuses any level of aggression towards that person. This is how these people justify invading iraq, totally destroying Syria, potentially destroying Iran etc. It's just an act of self defense to commit mass murder against the sub-humans who were the real aggressors the whole time.
  132. @pae
    Clare Malone at 538 gets it right:

    https://twitter.com/ClareMalone/status/1164207141621764096

    Clare Malone at 538 gets it right:

    What is her point?

  133. @AnotherDad

    Why is the smaller group obligated to dissolve into the larger? Jews don’t demand that “ONLY” Jews can have a culture and religion – they just want to keep their own and not (fully) adopt yours but you seem to regard that as some kind of personal insult. “What, my culture is not good enough for you, you lousy ingrates? ” You need to get that chip off your shoulder.
     



    "Culture and religion" is the same as "how we do things, how we behave". Religion has been supplanted to some extent in the modern West, but historically religion is the binder that sets the terms of social interactions. We assent to these principles. We agree to do things this way. ​

    If you have 31--or even two--different flavors of "how we do things" that actually exist in one geography and the people are interacting then ​
    a) there is contention and​
    b) someone wins and someone loses.​

    Why is the smaller group obligated to dissolve into the larger?
     

    If groups come and do not "dissovle" into the majority culture, basically that means that there is continual contention sufficient to keep them separate. Otherwise they "dissolve". Any continued intact presence of a minority, means that there is sufficient contention, hostility or incompatibility to keep them apart. That can come from the majority not wanting to associate--blacks in the US--or a minority that is hostile to integration--Jews throughout European history.​

    Neither of these makes for a more pleasant society.​

    ~~

    Better question: Why should the majority tolerate a non-integrating minority? What's the upside?

    Why live with--sub-optimal--contention, when you don't have to? "You don't like our culture, don't want to do things our way ... you're not welcome here." Say that--keep the minorities out--and then you and your descendants live a better happier life. ​

    Do gentiles benefit when some obnoxious Jew is whining about Christmas decorations or carols?
    (He doesn't even have to anymore. At our kids' school "Winter program" the apparatchik gave us a lecture beforehand about "diversity"--i.e. why traditional carols were absent. And then the program had not one, but two Jewish songs--one seemingly religious in character (though I couldn't understand it because it was in foreign tongue). This despite the actual minorities in our system being overwhelmingly Chinese and Indians.) Or bitching about this that or the other thing being excised so he and his kids don't feel unwelcome? Uh ... no.

    Jews have benefited mightily--and continue to do so--from middle manning in gentile societies. But, for the gentile majority it's just economic competition, lost wealth, suppressed development and unpleasant, annoying contention.​ New minorities like Muslims are just going to make life even more fun.

    Diversity is not a strength. It's contention, conflict and--at best--annoyance. It does not make life better, it makes it worse. And there's no reason a majority should allow it, let it come in.

    Better question: Why should the majority tolerate a non-integrating minority? What’s the upside?

    Indeed. And what, too, is the downside.

  134. Anonymous[233] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    Why is it not possible to have a country with two (or more) parallel cultures with equal legal rights - Quebec, Belgium, etc.? Why is the smaller group obligated to dissolve into the larger? Jews don't demand that "ONLY" Jews can have a culture and religion - they just want to keep their own and not (fully) adopt yours but you seem to regard that as some kind of personal insult. "What, my culture is not good enough for you, you lousy ingrates? " You need to get that chip off your shoulder.

    Now naturally, if Jews have a choice between people with your "assimilate, leave or die" mentality and those who say "each may dwell under his own fig tree" (as Washington did), naturally they prefer the latter and will try to push your type off the stage. This doesn't mean that they hate Americans - they hate people with the "assimilate or die" mentality. They love the other kind.

    Jews don’t demand that “ONLY” Jews can have a culture and religion – they just want to keep their own and not (fully) adopt yours but you seem to regard that as some kind of personal insult.

    Why won’t they assimilate and join the people they seek to live amongst?

  135. @Hypnotoad666

    I'm trying to picture divisions being stoked. Nothing comes to my mind’s eye.
     
    Using mixed metaphors and inapt analogies is a sign that the author thinks in cliches.

    "Stoking" and "fueling" are the NYT's current favorite buzz words. If Trump does something, and they can't actually explain why it is bad, they just say it is "stoking" or "fueling" something super-evil like "white nationalism" or "hate."

    A memo must have gone out: Trump is to be labeled as the "stoker-in-chief."

    Back in Antiquity when I still read the Times, their favorite word was “gravitas,” a quality that as I recall was attributed only to such people as Madeline Albright
    and Ira Magaziner, and to any goys who were shilling especially hard for
    Our Greatest Ally (TM).

  136. Martin Luther was correct.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Martin Luther was correct.

    Correct on what point?
  137. @David Davenport
    Martin Luther was correct.

    Martin Luther was correct.

    Correct on what point?

  138. @Anon

    There are no “diaspora types” who are anti-Israel.
     
    That is true. The narrative that there are anti-Israel Jews (who haven't disowned Judaism) is a type of interference propaganda that helps Judaism.

    By ethnic and religious definition, to be Jewish is to be pro-Israel and singularly loyal to Israel (no one can serve two Masters). Jewish identity and the State of Israel cannot be separated whatsoever. The latter is the central pillar of Jewish self understanding, per their religious texts.

    Also, it is worthy to note and as one Israeli Jew recently wrote on a comments section on a Jewish blog, "there are no SJW types in Israel".

    What he means is that there are no anti-Israel (anti-Jewish nationalist) Jews.

    A statement which hints at the root of SJW politics in the West. Only the source of an internationalist and destructive political ideology could be effective at keeping it out of its own culture to the point that it isn't broadly identifiable. To wit, SJW Muslims can be identified in Iran.

    In the West, anti-nationalist and anti-morality SJW politics and their soldiers are created by Jews. In their own nation, they specifically do not look to create those politics. By some form of Jew magic, Jews that are SJWs when in the US subsequently do not exist as such when they make Aliyah to Israel.

    By ethnic and religious definition, to be Jewish is to be pro-Israel and singularly loyal to Israel (no one can serve two Masters). Jewish identity and the State of Israel cannot be separated whatsoever. The latter is the central pillar of Jewish self understanding, per their religious texts.

    Whoa boy! Where to even begin with this one…

    The foundational and canonical texts of Judaism predate the establishment of the modern secular state that calls itself Israel by millennia. Zionism, a predominately secular and even explicitly anti-religious movement, was vehemently opposed by a nearly-unanimous consensus of the leading rabbis. Even to this day, there are many devoutly Orthodox Jews who emphatically reject and even oppose Zionism.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQD8vW8qTow

    In the West, anti-nationalist and anti-morality SJW politics and their soldiers are created by Jews. In their own nation, they specifically do not look to create those politics. By some form of Jew magic, Jews that are SJWs when in the US subsequently do not exist as such when they make Aliyah to Israel.

    Actually there are plenty of SJW and Cult-Marx types within Israel. Problems with African immigrants and the same kind of politics and drama surrounding them that we have here in the U.S.

    The Zionist State of Israel is one of the first countries to have a woman Prime Minister. One of the first to have women serve in combat. When it comes to pornography, abortion, and Sodomite depravity, Tel Aviv easily rivals any other secular cosmopolis.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Zionism, a predominately secular and even explicitly anti-religious movement, was vehemently opposed by a nearly-unanimous consensus of the leading rabbis.
     
    Citation needed.
  139. This is more brilliant trolling by the President. He is a genius at putting the trolled party in a Catch-22.

    Calling Democrat Jews “disloyal to Israel” puts them in a bind:

    1) They defend themselves, shout their “I’m loyal to Israel” bonafides
    2) They do not defend themselves, let the soundbite “Jews are disloyal” reverberate

    Both options are bad for the Jews.

    The first underscores that yes, Jews are in fact more loyal to their own tribe than to the nations they happen to live in. The second lets a perceived negative statement about Jews remain unchallenged.

    Genius.

  140. @Jack D
    Why is it not possible to have a country with two (or more) parallel cultures with equal legal rights - Quebec, Belgium, etc.? Why is the smaller group obligated to dissolve into the larger? Jews don't demand that "ONLY" Jews can have a culture and religion - they just want to keep their own and not (fully) adopt yours but you seem to regard that as some kind of personal insult. "What, my culture is not good enough for you, you lousy ingrates? " You need to get that chip off your shoulder.

    Now naturally, if Jews have a choice between people with your "assimilate, leave or die" mentality and those who say "each may dwell under his own fig tree" (as Washington did), naturally they prefer the latter and will try to push your type off the stage. This doesn't mean that they hate Americans - they hate people with the "assimilate or die" mentality. They love the other kind.

    Jews don’t demand that “ONLY” Jews can have a culture and religion – they just want to keep their own and not (fully) adopt yours

    LOL!

    And while Jews demand they get to “keep their own” they work tirelessly to ensure that we Whites CANNOT “keep our own” in our own countries.

    To wit:
    – Jewish activists the driving force behind the 1965 Hart Celler Immigration Act ending American preference for culturally similar European immigration (“This Act will not change the demographics of America” – erm, yeah)

    – Jewish groups unlawfully occupying ICE locations to protest deportation of people who broke our laws to enter USA, while they stay silent on Israelis deporting Africans and building walls

    – Jews contribute mightily to the suppression of Christmas everywhere — Whites NOT ALLOWED to have our own public Christmas culture in OUR OWN COUNTRY but Jews can celebrate Channakah publicly in Israel

    – Jewish money working to silence any immigration-restriction (i.e. David Gelbaum’s $100 million donation to the Sierra Club with the condition they drop their anti-immigration stance because muh holocaust!) — you are not allowed to keep your nation White, goy!

    – Common dual citizenship of Jewish members of Congress and Israel (this would fail the most basic “conflict of interest” test)

    Jack, you look silly.

    I want what the Jews have in Israel – a state that values the historic people of the nation, and which puts the interests of those people above outsiders and internal aliens.

    But that’s bad for the Jews.

  141. @Anon

    It is antisemitic to insinuate that Jewish-Americans have “dual loyalty”
     
    Its is absurdly philo-Semitic to insinuate that Jews do not have single loyalty to themselves and Israel (given that there is no such thing as dual loyalty), and it is broadly ignorant of the contents of their religion.

    Its also absurd to imply that anything counter to Jewish interests, even when serving those interests requires a lie like the one that you imply, is some kind of failed moral test.

    Its also absurd to not be anti-Jewish and as the Jews would couch it, antisemitic, given any significant knowledge of their religion.

    So, is Mr Trump right or wrong to say that Jewish-Americans are overwhelmingly voting against their interests?

    If he is, then you’re wrong. (And, many Jews aren’t “religious”, and some religious Jews aren’t supporters of the State of Israel).

    My Ashkenazi Jewish girlfriend (from Israel) is baffled by the notion that Jewish-Americans should somehow “show loyalty” to Israel. Is she engaging in deception here?

    You malcontents really need to get off your message boards and go out into the real world. Thankfully, you people are a dying breed. You really are “left behind” – intellectually and ethically, that is.

    • Replies: @Moses

    My Ashkenazi Jewish girlfriend (from Israel) is baffled by the notion that Jewish-Americans should somehow “show loyalty” to Israel. Is she engaging in deception here?
     
    I don’t know about your gf, but enough Israelis believe that getting American Jews to feel a strong connection with Israel is so important that there are public/private orgs spending big bux every year to bring Jewish youth to Israel.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_Israel
    , @Anonymous

    So, is Mr Trump right or wrong to say that Jewish-Americans are overwhelmingly voting against their interests?
     
    Depends on what Jews view as the bigger imperative: destruction of White group identity or existence of Jewish supremacist state.

    My Ashkenazi Jewish girlfriend (from Israel) is baffled by the notion that Jewish-Americans should somehow “show loyalty” to Israel. Is she engaging in deception here?
     
    She is probably engaging in deception, although it may include deception of herself. You can test this by asking her if Americans should support a Palestinian right of return; BDS until Israeli citizenship rights are granted to Gentiles in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza; a return of Golan to Syria; reparations to Gentiles who were killed or forced out of "Israel"; an end to the billions of dollars of US tax money transferred by the US government to Israel each year; and US support for a UN declaration that Zionism is racism.

    Please report back to us.

  142. @Lagertha
    Finland was the first country to allow Jews to buy property (Helsinki in the early 1800's). My grandfather saved 8 students - about 14 perished in WW2. Finland lost another 8 students in the weeks, when it counted. But, Finland never gave up the Jews (about 2000) in Finland - that is in the history books.

    Lagertha- är du Finland svenska?

  143. @Anon

    There are no “diaspora types” who are anti-Israel.
     
    That is true. The narrative that there are anti-Israel Jews (who haven't disowned Judaism) is a type of interference propaganda that helps Judaism.

    By ethnic and religious definition, to be Jewish is to be pro-Israel and singularly loyal to Israel (no one can serve two Masters). Jewish identity and the State of Israel cannot be separated whatsoever. The latter is the central pillar of Jewish self understanding, per their religious texts.

    Also, it is worthy to note and as one Israeli Jew recently wrote on a comments section on a Jewish blog, "there are no SJW types in Israel".

    What he means is that there are no anti-Israel (anti-Jewish nationalist) Jews.

    A statement which hints at the root of SJW politics in the West. Only the source of an internationalist and destructive political ideology could be effective at keeping it out of its own culture to the point that it isn't broadly identifiable. To wit, SJW Muslims can be identified in Iran.

    In the West, anti-nationalist and anti-morality SJW politics and their soldiers are created by Jews. In their own nation, they specifically do not look to create those politics. By some form of Jew magic, Jews that are SJWs when in the US subsequently do not exist as such when they make Aliyah to Israel.

    So wrong, despite what someone wrote on the internet.

    There’s no shortage of Israelis who consider themselves “post-Zionist” and support all sorts of SJW positions which are designed to lessen and/or eliminate the Jewish character of the country.

    Luckily, they are a small minority with little political power.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    There's no shortage, or they are a small minority with no political power? Which one?
  144. @Dissident

    By ethnic and religious definition, to be Jewish is to be pro-Israel and singularly loyal to Israel (no one can serve two Masters). Jewish identity and the State of Israel cannot be separated whatsoever. The latter is the central pillar of Jewish self understanding, per their religious texts.
     
    Whoa boy! Where to even begin with this one...

    The foundational and canonical texts of Judaism predate the establishment of the modern secular state that calls itself Israel by millennia. Zionism, a predominately secular and even explicitly anti-religious movement, was vehemently opposed by a nearly-unanimous consensus of the leading rabbis. Even to this day, there are many devoutly Orthodox Jews who emphatically reject and even oppose Zionism.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZUqGmMqJio
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQD8vW8qTow


    In the West, anti-nationalist and anti-morality SJW politics and their soldiers are created by Jews. In their own nation, they specifically do not look to create those politics. By some form of Jew magic, Jews that are SJWs when in the US subsequently do not exist as such when they make Aliyah to Israel.
     
    Actually there are plenty of SJW and Cult-Marx types within Israel. Problems with African immigrants and the same kind of politics and drama surrounding them that we have here in the U.S.

    The Zionist State of Israel is one of the first countries to have a woman Prime Minister. One of the first to have women serve in combat. When it comes to pornography, abortion, and Sodomite depravity, Tel Aviv easily rivals any other secular cosmopolis.

    Zionism, a predominately secular and even explicitly anti-religious movement, was vehemently opposed by a nearly-unanimous consensus of the leading rabbis.

    Citation needed.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    Jewish Alternatives to Zionism: A Partial History

    For the first decades of its existence, Zionism was a marginal movement in Jewish life. The persuasions of Zionist leader Theodore Herzl were resoundingly rejected by most European rabbis, and in 1897, Herzl even had to relocate his First Zionist Congress from Munich, due to fierce objections from rabbinic leadership there. Up until the mid-20th century, opposition to Zionism, carried out through advocacy organizations like Agudath Israel, was the dominant position in the orthodox Jewish world.
     
    The Rabbis Speak Out: The 130 Year Record of Religious Jewish Opposition to Zionism

    https://www.amazon.com/Threat-Within-History-Opposition-Zionism/dp/1842776991/

    https://www.amazon.com/What-Modern-Israel-Yakov-Rabkin/dp/0745335810/

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1642555541/
  145. @Edward
    So, is Mr Trump right or wrong to say that Jewish-Americans are overwhelmingly voting against their interests?

    If he is, then you're wrong. (And, many Jews aren't "religious", and some religious Jews aren't supporters of the State of Israel).

    My Ashkenazi Jewish girlfriend (from Israel) is baffled by the notion that Jewish-Americans should somehow "show loyalty" to Israel. Is she engaging in deception here?

    You malcontents really need to get off your message boards and go out into the real world. Thankfully, you people are a dying breed. You really are "left behind" - intellectually and ethically, that is.

    My Ashkenazi Jewish girlfriend (from Israel) is baffled by the notion that Jewish-Americans should somehow “show loyalty” to Israel. Is she engaging in deception here?

    I don’t know about your gf, but enough Israelis believe that getting American Jews to feel a strong connection with Israel is so important that there are public/private orgs spending big bux every year to bring Jewish youth to Israel.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_Israel

  146. Anonymous[759] • Disclaimer says:
    @Edward
    So, is Mr Trump right or wrong to say that Jewish-Americans are overwhelmingly voting against their interests?

    If he is, then you're wrong. (And, many Jews aren't "religious", and some religious Jews aren't supporters of the State of Israel).

    My Ashkenazi Jewish girlfriend (from Israel) is baffled by the notion that Jewish-Americans should somehow "show loyalty" to Israel. Is she engaging in deception here?

    You malcontents really need to get off your message boards and go out into the real world. Thankfully, you people are a dying breed. You really are "left behind" - intellectually and ethically, that is.

    So, is Mr Trump right or wrong to say that Jewish-Americans are overwhelmingly voting against their interests?

    Depends on what Jews view as the bigger imperative: destruction of White group identity or existence of Jewish supremacist state.

    My Ashkenazi Jewish girlfriend (from Israel) is baffled by the notion that Jewish-Americans should somehow “show loyalty” to Israel. Is she engaging in deception here?

    She is probably engaging in deception, although it may include deception of herself. You can test this by asking her if Americans should support a Palestinian right of return; BDS until Israeli citizenship rights are granted to Gentiles in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza; a return of Golan to Syria; reparations to Gentiles who were killed or forced out of “Israel”; an end to the billions of dollars of US tax money transferred by the US government to Israel each year; and US support for a UN declaration that Zionism is racism.

    Please report back to us.

  147. @Mr. Anon

    Quebec and Belgium are your ideas of great success?
     
    They are not unsuccessful. One could do much worse. Then there is also the example of Switzerland, which most people would call a success.

    But as you point out, that isn't what commenter Jack D is really calling for - not for us and ours, just for him and his.

    I also noticed he casually slipped in the "your're all secretly Nazis" bit by characterizing your opinion as "leave, assimilate, or die". Nobody said anything about "die". You certainly didn't. Perhaps it just isn't possible for tribe A to share a polity with tribe B, when tribe B always harbors the suspicion - often not far from the surface - that tribe A is out to do it in. You can't really share a house with somebody who deep down suspects that you are a murderer.

    exactly. If you think someone is on the verge of killing you, it pretty much excuses any level of aggression towards that person. This is how these people justify invading iraq, totally destroying Syria, potentially destroying Iran etc. It’s just an act of self defense to commit mass murder against the sub-humans who were the real aggressors the whole time.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    exactly. If you think someone is on the verge of killing you, it pretty much excuses any level of aggression towards that person. This is how these people justify invading iraq, totally destroying Syria, potentially destroying Iran etc. It’s just an act of self defense to commit mass murder against the sub-humans who were the real aggressors the whole time.
     
    It is also how they justify the destruction of the White American people and of the European nations. All are potential Nazis.
  148. @Known Fact
    The wife and I were at an Australian racetrack some 30 years ago and a crusty old Aussie, realizing we were Yanks, said gratefuly, "If it wasn't for you, we'd all be eating rice."

    sushi is awesome

  149. Anonymous[759] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bigdicknick
    exactly. If you think someone is on the verge of killing you, it pretty much excuses any level of aggression towards that person. This is how these people justify invading iraq, totally destroying Syria, potentially destroying Iran etc. It's just an act of self defense to commit mass murder against the sub-humans who were the real aggressors the whole time.

    exactly. If you think someone is on the verge of killing you, it pretty much excuses any level of aggression towards that person. This is how these people justify invading iraq, totally destroying Syria, potentially destroying Iran etc. It’s just an act of self defense to commit mass murder against the sub-humans who were the real aggressors the whole time.

    It is also how they justify the destruction of the White American people and of the European nations. All are potential Nazis.

  150. @Anonymous

    Actually, the average leftwing Jew is disloyal to both the US and Israel, though some of them hold dual citizenship in these countries.
     
    Actually the average "leftwing Jew" is highly loyal to Israel. In fact, nearly all leftwing Jews, "average" or not, are Zionists. Go ahead and try to name the exceptions.

    I can think of that Jewish group Not In Our Name. They don’t strike me as particularly pro-Israel.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    I can think of that Jewish group Not In Our Name. They don’t strike me as particularly pro-Israel.
     
    Are they expressly anti-Jewish supremacy (Zionism) in Israel? What is the size of this group?
  151. @Corn
    I can think of that Jewish group Not In Our Name. They don’t strike me as particularly pro-Israel.

    I can think of that Jewish group Not In Our Name. They don’t strike me as particularly pro-Israel.

    Are they expressly anti-Jewish supremacy (Zionism) in Israel? What is the size of this group?

  152. @Anonymous

    Zionism, a predominately secular and even explicitly anti-religious movement, was vehemently opposed by a nearly-unanimous consensus of the leading rabbis.
     
    Citation needed.

    Jewish Alternatives to Zionism: A Partial History

    For the first decades of its existence, Zionism was a marginal movement in Jewish life. The persuasions of Zionist leader Theodore Herzl were resoundingly rejected by most European rabbis, and in 1897, Herzl even had to relocate his First Zionist Congress from Munich, due to fierce objections from rabbinic leadership there. Up until the mid-20th century, opposition to Zionism, carried out through advocacy organizations like Agudath Israel, was the dominant position in the orthodox Jewish world.

    The Rabbis Speak Out: The 130 Year Record of Religious Jewish Opposition to Zionism

    https://www.amazon.com/Threat-Within-History-Opposition-Zionism/dp/1842776991/

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1642555541/

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Your claims are not borne out by a close reading of those sources.
  153. Donald J. Trump Retweeted:

  154. @Dissident
    Jewish Alternatives to Zionism: A Partial History

    For the first decades of its existence, Zionism was a marginal movement in Jewish life. The persuasions of Zionist leader Theodore Herzl were resoundingly rejected by most European rabbis, and in 1897, Herzl even had to relocate his First Zionist Congress from Munich, due to fierce objections from rabbinic leadership there. Up until the mid-20th century, opposition to Zionism, carried out through advocacy organizations like Agudath Israel, was the dominant position in the orthodox Jewish world.
     
    The Rabbis Speak Out: The 130 Year Record of Religious Jewish Opposition to Zionism

    https://www.amazon.com/Threat-Within-History-Opposition-Zionism/dp/1842776991/

    https://www.amazon.com/What-Modern-Israel-Yakov-Rabkin/dp/0745335810/

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1642555541/

    Your claims are not borne out by a close reading of those sources.

    • Replies: @Moses
    https://mobile.twitter.com/V8POW/status/1164275632966160384
  155. @Anonymous
    Your claims are not borne out by a close reading of those sources.
  156. OT:

  157. @Shmendrix
    So wrong, despite what someone wrote on the internet.

    There's no shortage of Israelis who consider themselves "post-Zionist" and support all sorts of SJW positions which are designed to lessen and/or eliminate the Jewish character of the country.

    Luckily, they are a small minority with little political power.

    There’s no shortage, or they are a small minority with no political power? Which one?

  158. @Charles Martel
    Reminds me of the split between Missouri Synod Lutherans and ELCA, who cordially hate other...

    Sundown vs. Sunset

  159. @Lagertha
    'trope' is a word that people who want other people to know that they are smart, use. I want once a week, for iSteve teamsters to log an over-used word by the left!

    hahhahhaahaaaa! logistically…..realm….exponentially….

  160. @Lagertha
    I have experienced a split with Jews - amongst their own - my Jewish friends - some do not talk anymore! Being a Lutheran, it is weird and sad ;( . But, I am happy that Jews are close to a Reformation as should be, the Muslims. too. Whoa

    yah- nevah gonna agreee!

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