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From the New York Times opinion page:

The Secrets of Jewish Genius
It’s not about having higher I.Q.s.

By Bret Stephens
Opinion Columnist, Dec. 27, 2019

… how is it that a people who never amounted even to one-third of 1 percent of the world’s population contributed so seminally to so many of its most pathbreaking ideas and innovations?

The common answer is that Jews are, or tend to be, smart. When it comes to Ashkenazi Jews, it’s true. “Ashkenazi Jews have the highest average I.Q. of any ethnic group for which there are reliable data,” noted one 2005 paper.

Stephens links to the famous Gregory Cochran, Jason Hardy, and Henry Harpending paper “Natural History of Ashkenazi Intelligence.” Here is the 2005 NYT article on the paper.

“During the 20th century, they made up about 3 percent of the U.S. population but won 27 percent of the U.S. Nobel science prizes and 25 percent of the ACM Turing awards. They account for more than half of world chess champions.”

But the “Jews are smart” explanation obscures more than it illuminates. Aside from the perennial nature-or-nurture question of why so many Ashkenazi Jews have higher I.Q.s, there is the more difficult question of why that intelligence was so often matched by such bracing originality and high-minded purpose. One can apply a prodigious intellect in the service of prosaic things — formulating a war plan, for instance, or constructing a ship. One can also apply brilliance in the service of a mistake or a crime, like managing a planned economy or robbing a bank.

But as the story of the Lithuanian rabbi suggests, Jewish genius operates differently. It is prone to question the premise and rethink the concept; to ask why (or why not?) as often as how; to see the absurd in the mundane and the sublime in the absurd. Ashkenazi Jews might have a marginal advantage over their gentile peers when it comes to thinking better.

It’s not really marginal anymore out at, say, the von Neumann level of IQ, due to how the normal probability distributions work out at the right tail of the bell curve.

Where their advantage more often lies is in thinking different.

I’d agree that Ashkenazis over the last 200 years have had extremely impressive levels of intellectual creativity relative to, say, high IQ East Asians, although it’s worth noting that Europeans in general have been pretty creative.

Keep in mind, however, that Ashkenazi Jews didn’t contribute much to European culture before the Jewish Enlightenment, which lagged about 75 years behind The Enlightenment. There were a small number of Jewish geniuses before, say, David Ricardo, such as Spinoza in the 17th Century and the part-Jewish Montaigne (who was first published in English translation in 1603 and influenced Shakespeare’s Tempest, and Shakespeare likely met his translator, John Florio, in the 1590s).

But Jews did not become major contributors to European advancement until well into the 19th Century. For example, it’s hard to explain the embarrassing Freud Cult without grasping that Europe and America in the first third of the 20th Century was full of brilliant young Jews who were rather lacking in Jewish intellectual heroes. So those who weren’t willing to throw in with Marx often elevated the bourgeois Freud to an absurd level of deference. Eventually, Jews got plenty of genuine intellectual heroes like Einstein, so we don’t hear much about Freud anymore.

One interesting question that will be answered over the course of the 21st Century is whether Jewish creativity will remain as high as in the 20th Century.

Of course, most of the comments are aghast that Stephens (the former editor of the Jerusalem Times) would spill the beans on Jewish IQ.

In reality, as you and I know, but NYT readers don’t seem to know, Jews in general and Ashkenazi Jews (German and Eastern European) in particular, are, per capita, the world’s smartest, richest, and most influential ethnicity. I n their 1995 book Jews and the New American Scene, the prominent social scientist Seymour Martin Lipset, a Senior Scholar of the Wilstein Institute for Jewish Policy Studies, and Earl Raab, Director of the Perlmutter Institute for Jewish Advocacy at Brandeis University, pointed out:

During the last three decades, Jews have made up 50% of the top two hundred intellectuals, 40 percent of American Nobel Prize Winners in science and economics, 20 percent of professors at the leading universities, 21 percent of high level civil servants, 40 percent of partners in the leading law firms in New York and Washington, 26% of the reporters, editors, and executives of the major print and broadcast media, 59 percent of the directors, writers, and producers of the fifty top-grossing motion pictures from 1965 to 1982, and 58 percent of directors, writers, and producers in two or more primetime television series. [pp. 26-27]

You can’t really understand how the world works without being cognizant of these data.

 
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  1. Ashkenazi Jews have the highest average I.Q. of any ethnic group for which there are reliable data

    I think I’ve read somewhere that Episcopalians and Unitarians have Ash Jews beat. But the numbers are small. Wouldn’t be surprised if Parsis and certain Chinese coastal urban populations are up there too.

    The Jews were like a tidal wave over the 20th century, caused by a break in the dam – Jewish Emancipation. All those centuries of Talmudic study, usury and tax collecting honed the mind for success in the secular world. But the wave is diminishing. I expect it to become more of a trickle by mid-21st century. What other groups are engrossed in intellectual study, whose secularisation might lead to success? Can’t think of any.

    • Agree: renfro
    • Replies: @TBA
    , @Prester John
    , @Sean
  2. Joneses says:

    The author airily dismisses IQ as an explanation and then essentially concludes that abstract thinking is the real answer. Of course, abstract thought is a key feature of intelligence and IQ tests rather than, as he seems to assume, something no one thought to measure.

    • Agree: Realist
  3. Gordo says:

    so often matched by such bracing originality and high-minded purpose.

    Oh indeed.

    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
    , @Dr. X
  4. High IQ, yes, but how smart? From CNBC, a bunch of movies by chicks, looks like a group of stinkers. Remakes all over the place, directed and produced, some written, by Strong Girls. Steve, are there SJW investors that pour their dough into these stinker-movies knowing they’ll fail in order to support some narrative that says Hollywood supports the right of women to lose dough? Who even goes to those? The list is pretty long for 2020. The article:
    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/27/women-will-rule-the-2020-box-office-on-screen-and-behind-the-camera.html

    This shot is from the up-and-coming Birds of Prey:
    Sexy! WHO are all these broads aside from Rosie Perez? Who believes they aren’t all about to get THEIR asses kicked? Don’t the financiers realize that narrative is long-since passed? No one buys it anymore. Right? As Hollywood insider, I figured the Sailerman could fill this in for us, Yes?

  5. Dr. Evil says:

    One secret of Jewish genius is that they don’t throw their smart children (or even their dumb children) under the dumbstablishment bus.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    , @S. Anonyia
  6. TBA says:
    @TelfoedJohn

    Armenians? I once read someone who claimed that judging from the relative frequency of chess masters, Armenians have even higher IQs than Ashkenazis. Armenians seem to do well, but if they’re so smart, how come they’re not already on top?

  7. @TBA

    My guess is that Armenians are about as smart on average as Western Europeans in a part of the world where that is above average.

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @AnonymousUkr
  8. Anonymous[154] • Disclaimer says:

    I’d agree that Ashkenazis over the last 200 years have had extremely impressive levels of intellectual creativity, although it’s worth noting that Europeans in general have been pretty creative.
    Keep in mind, however, that Ashkenazi Jews didn’t contribute much to European culture before the Jewish Enlightenment, which lagged about 75 years behind The Enlightenment. There were a small number of Jewish geniuses before, say, David Ricardo, such as Spinoza in the 17th Century and the part-Jewish Montaigne (who was first published in English translation in 1603 and influenced Shakespeare’s Tempest, and Shakespeare likely met his translator, John Florio, in the 1590s).
    But Jews did not become major contributors to European advancement until well into the 19th Century. For example, it’s hard to explain the embarrassing Freud Cult without grasping that Europe and America in the first third of the 20th Century was full of brilliant young Jews who were rather lacking in Jewish intellectual heroes. So those who weren’t willing to throw in with Marx often elevated the bourgeois Freud to an absurd level of deference. Eventually, Jews got plenty of genuine intellectual heroes like Einstein, so we don’t hear much about Freud anymore.

    Well, Cristianity is a Jewish sect. All the books from the Bible were written by Jewish men. The first books of the Bible (The Old Testment) are called the Torah. The Western people worship an ethnic Jewish dissident man (Jesus). The New Testment books were written by his early Jewish followers. Therefore, the strong Jewish influence in the West is far before the 19th century.

  9. @Dr. Evil

    One secret of Jewish genius is that they don’t throw their smart children (or even their dumb children) under the dumbstablishment bus.

    Equipped with the the dough to buy their kids out of public school idiocy, nobody does and that includes everyone. The rest are stuck, although at that level, there are some classic tugging matches going on all over with Asians-of-merit, Jews-of-privilege-and-merit and just plain folks and Blacks over seats at magnet High Schools in NYC, seats at Harvard, MIT, Stanford. too, I believe, at all the big, high-IQ colleges. People of high IQ. Do the high IQ folks win the match?

    Or does it then fall to Steve Sailer’s patented, copyrighted theory of the magic Pokemon Oppression Points? Step right off and check off those Oppression boxes, folks! The highest-IQ folks invented the Oppression ladder, others perfected the use of it, I expect them to occupy the top rungs, always. Who wouldn’t?

    I give you credit every time I use it, Steve, I swear!

    • Agree: Gyre07
  10. A very important aspect of the topic is whether the differing IQs of different groups are essential or accidental, to use Aristotelian lingo. I suspect Jewish IQs are high because Jewish mating practices value intelligence over physical hardiness, and that in turn reflects the Jewish role in society as people who work with their minds almost exclusively. In that case, the differences would be accidental, analogous to a couch-potato’s flabby arms compared to his gym rat twin brother’s muscles. The couch-potato can pull even by changing his lifestyle to that of a gym rat.

    In my experience Jewish girls are much more sensitive to a date’s intellectual attributes than gentile girls. I remember the look of disgust on one Jewish girl’s face when she noticed my copy of the Stereo Review Buyer’s Guide, and the approval I got from another for explaining why a set of data is consistent with infinitely many hypotheses.

    If the difference is ‘accidental’, in my terminology, then blacks could elevate themselves to Ashkenazi levels by emulating Ashkenazi practices of mate selection, and vice versa. In this case there would be no reason for one race to feel inferior to another due to its statistical profile. And they could point to sub-groups whose IQs are superior to sub-groups of the other race.

    Many ‘race realists’ seem too eager to see differences as if they were essential, meaning as if they would persist through changes in habits of mate-selection, but I don’t see that this has been demonstrated.

  11. B36 says:

    And yet if you look specifically at Israelis, do they really punch all that far above their weight on the world stage when it comes to corporate achievement, intellectual prizes, artistic and media success, etc? (I don’t know, I’m just asking).

  12. that intelligence was so often matched by such bracing originality and high-minded purpose.

    Is this one of those “I don’t think that means what you think that means” things?

    20 percent of professors at the leading universities,

    AKA, designers of political correctness and cancel culture

    21 percent of high level civil servants,

    see, for example, the near-100% representation in the recent impeachment hoax

    40 percent of partners in the leading law firms in New York and Washington,

    the crème de la crème of rentier parasites

    26% of the reporters, editors, and executives of the major print and broadcast media,

    lol

    59 percent of the directors, writers, and producers of the fifty top-grossing motion pictures from 1965 to 1982, and 58 percent of directors, writers, and producers in two or more primetime television series.

    But remember, if YOU say anything about Jewish influence of the media, you are a hateful antisemite and will be unpersoned, and prosecuted where possible. (Thanks to 40% of leading law firm partners, 21% of high level civil servants, and pervasive academy and media influence for that, y’all!)

    Eh, it’s probably just something that is lost in translation. “Bracing originality and high-minded purpose” may be Yiddish for “what is good for Jews”.

  13. iffen says:

    At its best, the United States can still be the country that respects, and sometimes rewards, all manner of heresies that outrage polite society and contradict established belief. At its best, the West can honor the principle of racial, religious and ethnic pluralism not as a grudging accommodation to strangers but as an affirmation of its own diverse identity. In that sense, what makes Jews special is that they aren’t. They are representational.

    A Jewish writer in the NYT, a paper with a long-standing commitment to a stable of diverse writers and which takes great pains to insure that no group has disproportionate representation in that stable, praising diversity in America while claiming that Jews are not special, but representative.

    Cosmic hilarity ensues, or should.

    • Agree: Eric135
  14. @B36

    Israelis do pretty well on tech startups, especially software apps that collect potentially embarrassing information about where you went or who you talked to.

  15. Dr. Evil says:

    Jews invented homeschooling, and even now practice it more than any other ethnic group. They just don’t call it homeschooling; that term they reserve for dirty unsocialized inbred Christian redneck hicks.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  16. In the future, stereotypes of Jewish success will fade do to the rapid growth of the ultra-Orthodox relative to other sects world wide. They are expected to form most of Israel in the second half of the twenty-first century and will be the majority of American and British Jewry by 2050. That’s partially what drove the recent anti-Semitic attacks in Jersey City by blacks, the demographic transition caused by the presence of a breeder cult with an average TFR of 6 to 7.

  17. Dr. Evil says:
    @jack daniels

    I suspect Jewish IQs are high because Jewish mating practices value intelligence over physical hardiness.

    Jewish mating practices value intelligence over physical hardiness, and “dumb luck”, and to a certain extent, physical beauty. I suspect, though, that if Jews hewed to Nordic standards of beauty, they would have died out centuries ago.

    • Replies: @Ian Smith
    , @Anonymous
  18. Dumbo says:

    Jews are the kings of self-promotion. On average, they are no more talented than the best Europeans, but they do support each other more, while Europeans are always bickering.

    Also, I think it is a pity that many Jews use their talent in ignoble pursuits. Even talented Jewish artists, filmmakers and writers cannot resist to pepper their work with political or social “culture of critique” messages thus decreasing its more permanent value.

    • Replies: @Thoughts
    , @S. Anonyia
  19. Glaivester says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    All the books from the Bible were written by Jewish men.

    Except maybe Luke and Acts (both written by Luke, likely a Greek).

    Perhaps also Job, depending on who wrote it and when.

    Also, it ought to be pointed out that some of this depends on what you mean by “Jewish,” and if you consider it a synonym for Israelite. The term “Jewish” really did not appear until just before to just after the exile.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  20. Dumbo says:
    @TBA

    I don’t think that Armenians are very smart, but they share some characteristics with Jews, such as extreme clannishness and endogamy. They’re also awful drivers. They do have a few good filmmakers and writers in the diaspora.

  21. @Anonymous

    Yeah (sans Luke), and if Shakespeare had Montaigne (was he at all observant? converso?) then that influenced a hell of a lot more than just the Tempest.

  22. Watching Stephens regress to the mean in real time takes a stronger stomach than I can manage. Glad we have Steve for the Dirty Jobs.

    • Replies: @anon
  23. Glaivester says: • Website
    @jack daniels

    Are you suggesting a eugenic reason for high Jewish IQ or are you suggesting an environmental reason (i.e. Jews are smarter because dumb Jews don’t reproduce vs. Jewish boys develop their IQ to impress girls)?

    If you are suggesting a eugenic reason, I do not know of a race realist who would disagree with you.

    The problem is that (a) enforcing eugenic breeding on black people is not really a feasible idea, and (b) this is not going to close the IQ gap in one generation. It is going to take centuries for something like this to have the type of impact you want.

  24. SFG says:

    They closed it before I could comment. Guess they are pretty smart. 😉

    • LOL: Felix Keverich
    • Replies: @Mike_from_SGV
  25. MEH 0910 says:

    At the moment Bret Stephens is trending on Twitter because of his opinion piece:

    https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Bret%20Stephens%22&src=tren

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  26. @Joneses

    “Better at abstract thinking” doesn’t sound as threatening to people with “emotional intelligence”.

  27. MEH 0910 says:
    @MEH 0910

  28. @MEH 0910

    Why do Jewish supremacists find other people who stand up for their groups BadThinkers?

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
  29. LondonBob says:

    Spinoza!?! Never heard of him until recently, and that was here. As Paul Gottfried pointed out Europeans were doing pretty well by themselves.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  30. Anon[343] • Disclaimer says:

    IQ is a reliably measurable trait. Creativity isn’t and is not precisely regimented and is subject to a lot of hand waving. I call BS on Jews being more “creative” than other equality intelligent people.

  31. Dumbo says:
    @Desiderius

    Montaigne was (at least formally) Catholic. His family was part Catholic, part Protestant. He was not Jewish in any cultural sense, except for his genetic origins (from the marrano family of his mother).

    Shakespeare was likely a recusant Catholic too.

    It’s no secret that Shakespeare read Montaigne and might have been influenced in more than just The Tempest (which is the more obvious reference, cannibals/Caliban).

    https://www.iep.utm.edu/montaign/

  32. Stogumber says:

    On the whole, Jews tend to overestimate their gifts to mankind. I always remember the book “City without Jews” which prophesied that expelling Jews would be an economic catastrophe (above all in Vienna, but also elsewhere in Germany). But in fact, the catastrophe came already when the Jews were there (1929/30) – economics improved a bit just when the Jews went away (coincidence may be accidental) – and the German/Austrian “Wirtschaftswunder” happened thereafter at a time when there were only few Jews.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  33. A123 says:
    @Jim Christian

    Something seems different between the current production cast photos and these from the prior Birds of Prey (2002-2003).

    Hmmmm…. I can’t quite place my finger on it….. Better studio lighting maybe? There seems to be more contrast…..

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    • Agree: Jim Christian
    • LOL: Ash Williams
  34. @Anonymous

    Two points:

    a) The religion called ‘Judaism’ today is a religion that came many centuries after Christianity became an established European religion, and as an explicit anti-Christian reaction.

    b) The people called ‘Jews’ today have no relation to Old Testament Hebrews. The Old Testament Hebrews were a Phoenician tribe, closely related to Canaanites, Carthaginians, etc. Modern ‘Jews’ are mostly European, and culturally Germanic.

  35. @SFG

    Hah! They closed it at the very moment I was in the middle of writing a comment suggesting a follow up article like “The secret behind why some groups perform so poorly”.

  36. “You can’t really understand how the world works without being cognizant of these data.”

    True enough. On t’other hand we’re…not…supposed…to…notice.

  37. @TelfoedJohn

    Would be interested in knowing the median Greek-American IQ. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was above average.

    • Replies: @Prosa123
    , @Lot
  38. istevefan says:

    The common answer is that Jews are, or tend to be, smart. When it comes to Ashkenazi Jews, it’s true. “Ashkenazi Jews have the highest average I.Q. of any ethnic group for which there are reliable data,”

    Will non-Askenazi Jews read this and be offended? Is there any sort of discord between Ashkenazi and non-Askenazi Jews similar to how we sometimes see a light-skinned black versus dark-skinned black divide?

  39. martin_2 says:

    Do Jews comprise more than half of the world’s chess champions? Karpov, Capablanca, Carlsen, Anand are not Jewish. Kasparov was only on his father’s side I think.

    It seems to me that the endeavours which are the most lopsided are in athletics – sprinting with West African derived blacks, and long distance with Kenyans. They dominate their respective sports in such a way that no-one else gets a look in, and Jews with chess doesn’t come close.

  40. bjdubbs says:

    Isn’t Stephens saying that Jews aren’t good at useful stuff like building ships but they are good at useless stuff like philosophy and telling jokes? This reminds me of a David Brooks column from this time last year where he explained that Jews don’t do boring stuff like the stuff Phil Anschutz made his fortune from, they do fun stuff like talk about movies at parties. Are Stephens are Brooks are really helping their team with these kind of arguments?

    • Replies: @James J. O'Meara
  41. A more realistic breakdown in explaining Ashkenazi success is:
    – 50% ethnic nepotism,
    – 25% being located in economic centers in US and Europe (the “Being There” effect),
    – 20% to IQ,
    – and the remaining 5% attributable to the willingness to seek out profitable, morally gray niches (high interest lending, subsidized low income housing, etc)

    1) We know AJ’s will elevate their own intellectuals out of nepotism: Jonas Salk over Maurice Hilleman, Einstein over Newton, etc. Freud is elevated above phrenologists. Marx is viewed as a moral counterbalance to Adam Smith. We also know in academia, AJ’s will both hire and cite other Jewish academics nepotistically, particularly in the social sciences and humanities. Key question: is there any reason to think this does not happen during the nomination and vetting process for key awards in mathematics and sciences? Or are these considered sacred cows?

    2) Jewish success is preconditioned on being a minority group in Western predominantly-White nations. The ultimate test of a group’s intellectual “right stuff” is how well they fare when placed in a nation among themselves. Israel provides insight, with the results being abysmal. Israel is largely dependent on the US government and US co-ethnics. Compare Isreal’s development to that of say Hong Kong or Singapore, and you get the idea.

    Additionally, Israel’s tech sector has produced fewer successful companies than Sweden, despite Jews having an overwhelming edge in capital markets. Israel has a focus on “cybersecurity”, much in the same way Russians, Eastern Europeans and North Koreans have a focus on “cybersecurity.” Key question: It seems to say a lot when — despite the high percentage of big-brained Jewish theoretical physicists — Israel had to steal key information from the US for building their nuclear weapons. Did South Africa have to do this? Can anyone explain this?

    Overall, when Jews are removed from nepotistic networks in key economic centers, their results are average to below-average. They do seem to have an edge in mathematical thinking, verbal facility and pushiness, which has led to above-average success in some fields, but still, overwhelmingly inflated by in-group loyalties.

  42. @jack daniels

    I suspect Jewish IQs are high because Jewish mating practices value intelligence over physical hardiness, and that in turn reflects the Jewish role in society as people who work with their minds almost exclusively.

    As you note, Jews have long been concentrated in the mentally demanding professions. So higher IQ would tend to beget higher income which, in the traditional world, tended to beget larger broods of surving children.

    But this effect would normally only manifest through the male IQ, as they were the income earners. High earning males have had more choice in mates. In most cultures, this choice would be exercised in favor of picking a young, healthy, attractive female (possibly with a big dowry).

    But if Jewish culture historically practiced “assortative mating” based on IQ – as you propose – the woman’s IQ would have tended to play a bigger role in the selection process.

    If true, this would have accelerated the fitness advantage of high IQ. In other words, high IQ males would choose high IQ females. They would have tended to have both more surviving children, and higher IQ children. These children would repeat the process, with the eugenic effect of pushing IQ upward with each succeding generation.

    Is there evidence that traditional Jewish culture put a special emphasis on female IQ in choosing a mate? Also, is there evidence of Jewish IQ increasing over time – as would be consistent with an ongoing eugenic effect. (As opposed to, say, a residual high-IQ founder effect left over from the original Ashkenzie emigrants).

    Finally, it’s interesting to note that assortative mating has now become the norm in our post-industrial knowledge-based economy. But the effect is now dysgenic as high IQ pairings tend to produce fewer than two kids.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Anonymous
    , @Alden
  43. Anon7 says:

    Let’s say you’ve identified yourself as being a member of an “out” group. How do you become a member of the “in” group? Well, you might determine that part of what determines “in” group status is participation in certain feeder organizations, like colleges (where the in group sends its sons), golf clubs (where the in group discusses business and makes contacts), and other organizations. Perhaps there are awards or special status honors to be won.

    You mount an assault on those groups, using their rules and customs against them. Once you’ve gotten access, you’ve got a twofer: some of the in group members are frozen out to make room for you, and you have an opportunity to cement your advantage for future generations.

    Now that you are in a position to make the rules, you make them to your advantage, and to freeze out your original rivals entirely. No white males at all! And you get to define the best, the smartest, etc. to the advantage of your group.

    Pretty smart, actually.

    • Replies: @Epictetus
  44. @Jim Christian

    Time has not been kind to Rosie Perez.

    Anyway, the woman on the right is Jurnee Smollett-Bell, the sister of the 2019 iSteve Man of the Year Jussie Smollett.

  45. Here we go again, and I’m again not too convinced by Steve’s arguments.

    Ashkenazi IQ myth. https://www.unz.com/article/iq-or-the-mathverbal-split/

    In essence, this is a complex issue & one can not find strong correlation between higher IQ & human accomplishment. Historically, most Jewish accomplishment came from Sephardi/Iberian & North-African Jews (Maimonides, Joseph Karo, Spinoza, ..), while Ashkenazim were lagging until German Enlightenment in late 18th C.

    We simply don’t know why some groups (Greeks in 700 BC to 200 BC, Mongols in 12th C to 14th C, Florentine Italians from 1300 to 1600, Germans from 1750s to 1940s, ..) are vastly over-represented in many areas, or in some specific fields. Jewish over-representation is now perhaps 100-150 years long. Why? We don’t know.

    • Disagree: Lot
  46. Nodwink says:

    I actually found some old research on this (late 60s was the latest data), and from what I was able to piece together, Ashkenazi Americans had an average IQ around 106-108. This was basically the same as German-Americans, while Polish-Americans were higher at 110. I can’t remember who published this, I read it twenty-odd years ago.

    • Replies: @Lot
  47. @istevefan

    Non-Ashkenazi Israelis can take comfort in the knowledge that it’s been their votes that have prevented Israel’s Ashkenazi elite from destroying the country by following through on the crazy Oslo “peace” process of the 1990s.

    Voting for self-preservation, rather than for national suicide: that’s the most important intelligence test of all.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  48. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    Both modern Judaism and Christianity are religions that emerged from the collision of the Greco-Roman world with the Hebrew/Middle Eastern world. Christianity is a Greco-Roman religion with Hebraic influences and Judaism is a Hebraic religion with Greco-Roman influences. They are like two brothers who grew up in the same household but took different paths in life, but neither one is quite the same as their parents.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  49. Anonymous[588] • Disclaimer says:

    Sorry mate, but the only invention that really made a difference to humanity was the steam engine – which is British through and through.

  50. anon[282] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jim Christian

    Feminists already have a rejoinder to the spectacular professional failures of women: the glass cliff.

    The gist is that women are thrown bones before the shit is about to hit the fan– they’re given the thankless jobs nobody else will touch.

  51. @Steve Sailer

    Israel’s tech sector is propped up by foreign subsidies in the form of funding, knowledge transfer and mostly American-owned research and development centers owned by firms like Apple, Cisco, Google, Facebook, HP, IBM, Intel, Microsoft etc.

    Still it has a per capita income less than most West European countries, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the U.S. even Singapore and Hong Kong.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_multinational_companies_with_research_and_development_centres_in_Israel

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV
  52. jill says:

    “…the Manhattan Project was led by a group of Hungarian supergeniuses, all born in Budapest between 1890 and 1920. These included Manhattan Project founder Leo Szilard, H-bomb creator Edward Teller, Nobel-Prize-winning quantum physicist Eugene Wigner, and legendary polymath John von Neumann, namesake of the List Of Things Named After John Von Neumann.

    Yet the Fasori Gymnasium might not have even been the best high school in its neighborhood. It competed with the Minta Gymnasium half a mile down the street, whose alumni include Manhattan Project physicists Nicholas Kurti and Theodore von Karman (von Karman went on to found the Jet Propulsion Laboratory), brilliant chemist-philosopher Michael Polanyi, economists Thomas Balogh and Nicholas Kaldor (of Kaldor-Hicks efficiency fame), and Peter Lax, who once said “You don’t have to be Hungarian to be a mathematician – but it helps”.

    The coincidences actually pile up beyond this. Von Neumann, Wigner, and possibly Teller all went to the same central Budapest high school at about the same time, leading a friend to joke about the atomic bomb being basically a Hungarian high school science fair project.

    Here’s something interesting: every single person I mentioned above is of Jewish descent. Every single one. This isn’t some clever setup where I only selected Jewish-Hungarians in order to spring this on you later. I selected all the interesting Hungarians I could find, then went back and checked, and every one of them was Jewish.

    https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/xPJKZyPCvap4Fven8/the-atomic-bomb-considered-as-hungarian-high-school-science

    • Replies: @Fox
    , @Prosa123
  53. @Almost Missouri

    People are also confusing tribal networking with genius.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Morton's toes
  54. Jack D says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    The traditional “dream match” of the shtetl was the wealthy merchant’s daughter with a promising scholar. Women were involved with business – often the female would mind the business while her husband was off studying. (In the recent Jersey City grocery shooting the wife died and the husband survived for this exact reason). The offspring of such a match could combine the abstract reasoning ability and dreamy imagination of the scholar with the hard headed practicality and head for figures of the merchant. Jews are unusual among high IQ groups because their verbal and mathematical abilities are quite evenly matched. My children and I all had (high) verbal and math SAT or ACT scores that were either identical or within a few points of each other over multiple administrations.

  55. Anonymous[254] • Disclaimer says:

    There were a small number of Jewish geniuses before, say, David Ricardo, such as Spinoza in the 17th Century

    Spinoza was not a genius.

  56. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Yes. Jewish guys think IQ is way more important than White guys do. None of my Jewish male friends have ever dated a dumb girl. Some of them have passed over slightly more attractive but dumb women in favor of slightly less attractive but smart women. Most Jewish men would rather marry a high IQ 7 than a low IQ 8. Most White men would take the low IQ 8.

    Jewish men consider female IQ be as important as White men consider female facial beauty to be important.

  57. Art Deco says:

    During the last three decades, Jews have made up 50% of the top two hundred intellectuals, 40 percent of American Nobel Prize Winners in science and economics, 20 percent of professors at the leading universities, 21 percent of high level civil servants, 40 percent of partners in the leading law firms in New York and Washington, 26% of the reporters, editors, and executives of the major print and broadcast media, 59 percent of the directors, writers, and producers of the fifty top-grossing motion pictures from 1965 to 1982, and 58 percent of directors, writers, and producers in two or more primetime television series. [pp. 26-27]

    The problem with this (aside from whatever might be his information base) is that the boundary conditions are manipulable. See, for example, ‘leading’ law firm. See, for example ‘top intellectual’. See, for example, ‘high level civil servant’. And why would your survey of law firms be limited to New York and Washington?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @SunBakedSuburb
  58. @Jack D

    The offspring of such a match could combine the abstract reasoning ability and dreamy imagination of the scholar with the hard headed practicality and head for figures of the merchant.

    This 19th C way of thinking induces in me:

  59. @TBA

    Armenians have IQs of about 95, about the same as Greece. It’s an IQ that keeps a country always on the brink of crisis.. like southern Italy, Vietnam etc.

    Unlike the backgammon playing layabouts of Athens, Armenia has a chess program. This article suggests they are creating some sort of chess playing master race, but unless there’s a breeding program for the grandmasters, I don’t think think they’re going to checkmate the world: https://www.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/9aaj7y/armenia-is-more-likely-to-engineer-super-children-than-china

    • Replies: @anonymous coward
  60. Where their advantage more often lies is in thinking different.

    Interesting that Bedbug Stephens uses “their” rather than “our”.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  61. Ganderson says:

    Swede lawyers are pretty good too:

    • Replies: @fnn
  62. @Anonymous

    One problem: Christ and Christianity both explicitly reject Jewish privilege and embrace universal equality. Christ being born Jewish doesn’t make Christianity Jewish. Your line of reasoning would tautologically preclude betrayal, heresy and dissension. It’s the same as arguing that Martin Luther is Catholic. Just because he was born and baptized Roman Catholic doesn’t make his doctrine or denomination an extension of Roman Catholicism. Thus, if someone explicitly rejects their ethnicity, culture or religion, its simply disingenuous to attribute their accomplishments to that which they explicitly reject.

  63. @William Badwhite

    As with the rest of his class, he’s abstracted himself out of reality altogether, including real categories of people. IDPOL can be understood as an allergic reaction to this phenomenon.

    See:

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/77959.Lost_in_the_Cosmos

  64. Jack D says:
    @jack daniels

    blacks could elevate themselves to Ashkenazi levels by emulating Ashkenazi practices of mate selection

    Theoretically this might be possible but it would be a very tough row to hoe, like breeding a chihuahua into a mastiff. Hypothetically all dog breeds possess the genes to be bred up or down in size but if you wanted to breed a very large breed you would want to at least start with an average sized breed and go from there. The other groups that have matched Jews in IQ (upper class Episcopalians and Unitarians) did exactly that – they started from an at least average or above average group and bred upward.

    And human breeding is a slow process, with 20+ years between generations so it takes a long time to move the needle. It took many centuries in the shtetl for Jews to achieve a circa 1 SD advantage. Moving the needle 2 SDs, as would be required for blacks to match Jewish levels, would take twice as long, on the order of thousands of years. And in order to do this you have to shift the cultural values toward assortive mating for IQ and maintain that shift for the entire period. This is very hard to do and has rarely been done, which is why there are so few groups that have achieved any shift. So far there is no indication that blacks have any interest whatsoever in such a program.

    The fastest shortcut is to breed with a more intelligent group. Most of the gains that American blacks have achieved are due to the introduction of European genes and generally the smartest blacks are also the most light skinned (high European %) ones. Given that blacks are only 13% of the US population in the long term the best bet would be to breed them to invisibility. This is a pretty fast process. Once you get to the 1/8 level (only 3 generations) black inheritance tends to become invisible. Making everyone in America 1/8 black as in Brazil would knock a couple of points off the national IQ but only a couple.

  65. Peterike says:

    “For example, it’s hard to explain the embarrassing Freud Cult without grasping that Europe and America in the first third of the 20th Century was full of brilliant young Jews who were rather lacking in Jewish intellectual heroes.”

    No. The Freud Cult was a deliberate attempt to undermine the Christian moral basis of Western civilization. It worked so spectacularly well that Jews were able to move on to even stronger poisons like feminism, Hollywood and multi-culturalism. We’d still be hearing about Freud every day if there were any potency left in it.

    • Agree: Bert
  66. “During the last three decades, Jews have made up 50% of the top two hundred intellectuals, 40 percent of American Nobel Prize Winners in science and economics, 20 percent of professors at the leading universities, 21 percent of high level civil servants, 40 percent of partners in the leading law firms in New York and Washington, 26% of the reporters, editors, and executives of the major print and broadcast media, 59 percent of the directors, writers, and producers of the fifty top-grossing motion pictures from 1965 to 1982, and 58 percent of directors, writers, and producers in two or more primetime television series.”

    The real icky question is how much of the above is due to superior jewish intelligence or just seedy jewish ethnic nepotism.

  67. @Glaivester

    Plus anything written by St. Paul, who was a Roman citizen.

  68. It’s either higher IQs than the rest of us, or nepotism. Probably both.

  69. Jews have special laws and rules just for them. In Metro Detroit, we have a number of different school districts as a result of federal decisions on forced white busing (mandatory across city lines, but not across district lines). Jews in Oak Park live in a 2 square mile area with special police protections. The rest of Oak Park is black and the schools are craptastic, almost as bad as Detroit city–think of a bad 80s school/jungle movie with no one passing assessment testing. Jews didn’t want to go, so they had a special law passed to assign their area to a white good district nearby.

    I went to a top five law school. Jews got in pretty much automatically just by wanting in. We tested to get on journals, I got about the same grades and scores as a Jewish woman I was friendly with, I was offered one journal, she was given her choice.

    Same woman wanted a good government job at a special agency, her uncle called Schumer, in.

    In court, Jewish lawyers get every break. If it is at all close, they win–even if the judge is black. Otherwise no reelection money for the judge.

    • Agree: davidgmillsatty
  70. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:

    As Bret hints but fails to offer any meaningful hypothesis, Jewish high IQ alone is probably insufficient to explain the spectacular Jewish Century. Various explanations have been offered, with the ethnic nepotism being most common.

    I think that Jewish peculiar personality traits is a far more likely explanation. Coupled with high IQ, above average emotional intensity, disagreeableness, righteousness, arrogance and competitiveness would seem to be sufficient mix for well above average success.

    OTOH, Jewish self-adulation is tiresome.

  71. Anon[266] • Disclaimer says:

    Even taking into account their above average intelligence, their total population is too small to explain their total representation in these fields.

    https://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/04/the-myth-of-jewish-intelligence.html

    • Replies: @SFG
  72. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    Many of the criteria given (% of Nobelists, % of producers of 50 top grossing movies, etc.) are completely objective (putting aside the “who is a Jew” problem) and the others could easily be made so (or are so already even though the criteria may not be stated in this article – e.g. “top” law firms are or can be objectively defined as law firms with more than X lawyers or something like that). You could manipulate the criteria to lower the Jewish % but no matter how you sliced and diced it short of outright dishonesty, Jews would still be overrepresented – perhaps instead of being 10x overrepresented it would be 5x but the fundamental point remains the same regardless of the exact %.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  73. Hibernian says:
    @Jack D

    The other groups that have matched Jews in IQ (upper class Episcopalians and Unitarians) did exactly that – they started from an at least average or above average group and bred upward.

    Those are two Protestant denominations (the latter of which ceased claiming to be Christian sometime between 1930 and 1960, depending on who you ask) and Protestants switch denominations fairly readily. These two in particular have historically drawn members from other denominations, and converts from both Judaism and Catholicism are not uncommon in Unitarianism. According to history and literature “marrying up” has been a real thing historically for WASPs (certainly not for them alone), but the phenomenon of people choosing these denominations, and who it is who makes that choice, can’t be discounted.

    …the smartest blacks are also the most light skinned (high European %) ones.

    Five words: Ben Carson and Clarence Thomas.

    To the extent your generalization is true, it may be environmental in part; light skinned blacks, in addition to having a white ancestor from back in the day, historically had more to do with whites, and picked up more white culture, generation to generation until fairly recently.

    • Replies: @Stephen Dodge
  74. @Steve Sailer

    Israelis do pretty well on tech startups, especially software apps that collect potentially embarrassing information about where you went or who you talked to.

    They practice on their own first:

    Israeli army turns to spying to nab female draft dodgers

    IDF TO DRAFT HAREDI MAN SEEN KISSING WOMAN IN FACEBOOK POST

    IDF USES FACEBOOK TO CATCH 1,000 DRAFT-DODGING WOMEN

    Israeli Army Uses Facebook to Catch Female Draft Dodgers

    Liel Leibovitz, a he-man type, argues that the the country would be better off were the black hats drafted into coding, not combat:

    https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/105584/dont-draft-the-ultra-orthodox

    Interestingly, Liel is the son of Ronnie (or Rony; transliterations vary), the Ronald Biggs of Israel:

    Where Are They Now? / A Notorious Israeli Bank Robber, Two Decades On

  75. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Has anyone attempted to quantify “high-minded purpose”? I suppose for each field you could divide the number of individuals in high status, but not extraordinarily highly compensated positions by the total number in high status positions. So, for example, the number of federal judges by partners in big law firms, or something like that.

  76. @Desiderius

    He was not at all observant, and, I believe, it isn’t known for certain whether his mother was Jewish. She was, however, apparently, a terror when it came to collecting the rents.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
  77. jinks says:

    Does a certain amount of intellectual prowess come from self-interest?
    Seemingly, to me, most people of Jewish extraction believe, no matter what the circumstances are, that they are always under threat, that they never have any influence or power, and are in imminent danger of being wiped out.

    My ability to cite specific historical examples is lacking, but through TV history programs, books and even the Bible I’ve gotten the impression that Jewish people are usually only one or two degrees away from the heads of states or kings or emperors with a good degree of regularity.

    But again only in my opinion, they always feel threatened. Does this supply an extra ‘dose’ of intellectual ability? Like an animal whose predator has him against a wall whose mind is working over-time to all possible defenses or escapes? Or like so many welfare recipients who can’t spell, but are able to give you the extensive ins and outs of maximizing their benefits?

    Also, as to the achievements or awards, does nepotism play any part in their over-representation? If I have a circle of 50 acquaintances and we all begin giving each other awards, but no one knows that we know one another, is the prestige warranted?

    • Replies: @Anonymouse
  78. In the European Jewish world the smartest boys became religious scholars and were married off to the daughters of the wealthy so that they wouldn’t need to earn an income and could learn full-time, and encouraged to have as many children as possible. In stark contrast, in Christendom, the smartest boys entered the clergy where celibacy effectively siphoned off intelligent genes out of the gene pool. Do this for one to two millennia and it’s totally unsurprising that Jewish IQ is significantly higher.

  79. res says:
    @Jack D

    Some support for your statement about black/white admixture.

    Global Ancestry and Cognitive Ability
    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/?p=7995
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/global-ancestry-and-cognitive-ability/

    And here are some papers looking at the genes/IQ relationship for Ashkenazi compared to other groups.

    Polygenic scores mediate the Jewish phenotypic advantage in educational attainment and cognitive ability compared with Catholics and Lutherans
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601752_Polygenic_Scores_Mediate_the_Jewish_Phenotypic_Advantage_in_Educational_Attainment_and_Cognitive_Ability_Compared_With_Catholics_and_Lutherans
    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/?p=7680

    Evidence for Recent Polygenic Selection on Educational Attainment and Intelligence Inferred from Gwas Hits: A Replication of Previous Findings Using Recent Data
    https://www.mdpi.com/2624-8611/1/1/5

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  80. jilla says:
    @Jim Christian

    This is interesting as it gets to the question if the focus on getting women more involved behind the camera on movies/TV working out. I was thinking about this as I watched The Witcher this past week which had a lot of women producers/directors/etc. and it’s pretty awful. Kathleen Kennedy has to bear a lot of responsibility for screwing up Star Wars. The all-female Ghostbusters was a dud. OTOH Wonder Woman was a strong performer. But, I wonder what the data says more broadly about woman-led TV/movies. I guess we’ll get several more data points next year.

  81. @Steve Sailer

    Armenians seem to do well, but if they’re so smart, how come they’re not already on top?

    My guess is that Armenians are about as smart on average as Western Europeans in a part of the world where that is above average.

    A part of the world where they say it takes two Jews to swindle an Armenian.

    Caucasian dirt apparently lacks Magic. But it makes up for it in Rhythm.

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams
  82. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @TBA

    The co-founders of the Soviet aviation design bureau that made the MiG fighters, Mikoyan and Gurevich, were Armenian and Jewish, respectively.

  83. MEH 0910 says:

    Obnoxious leftist writer David Plotz Klion had written a piece on Bret Stephens family background:

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    , @utu
  84. utu says:

    Eventually, Jews got plenty of genuine intellectual heroes like Einstein, so we don’t hear much about Freud anymore.

    The heroes category is a cultural construct including the intellectual heroes whether genuine or not. The Einstein meme is no different than the Freud meme. Both were created by the same forces and sustained by the same needs.

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  85. @Jack D

    We don’t worship with Jefferson’s Bible Einstein.

    Your elevation of the belief in the coming of a non-Jesus Messiah to the sine-qua-non of Judaism is entirely without support in the purely Hebraic tradition. You’d offend ancient Hebrews in doing so for the same reason Jesus of Nazareth did. Good luck finding it in the Tanakh in anything other than a passing manner.

    If anyone has gone cuckoo for Greco-Roman puffs, it’s y’all, especially Chuck Todd Reformed.

    http://www.victorianweb.org/authors/arnold/writings/4.html

    • Replies: @Jack D
  86. anonymous[102] • Disclaimer says:

    I think there are 3 big factors to Jewish genius and achievement. Jews are smart, curious and driven.

    Besides high IQ there’s also high curiosity. This is where being prone to question and rethink premises as Bret puts it comes into play. And his column is missing a third element. Jews have really high achievement motivation.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Joe Walker
  87. Nico says:
    @Glaivester

    enforcing eugenic breeding on black people is not really a feasible idea

    The will may be lacking but not necessarily the means. If the West is destroyed or the liberal international is otherwise weakened to the point of inconsequentiality I wouldn’t discount the Chinese thinking up a way to go about as much if they sense it serves a commercial interest in Africa. No doubt they would have the blessings of at least some local dictators exasperated over what to do about surplus population.

    Of course, the history of South Africa proves that doing so would only create a sustainable society if it were implemented on a truly continental scale. Otherwise you could be in for a nasty immigration nightmare.

  88. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous

    Well, Cristianity is a Jewish sect. All the books from the Bible were written by Jewish men.

    In terms of the Christian Bible, that’s incorrect.The author of Luke and Acts was a Greek.

    The first books of the Bible (The Old Testment) are called the Torah. The Western people worship an ethnic Jewish dissident man (Jesus). The New Testment books were written by his early Jewish followers. Therefore, the strong Jewish influence in the West is far before the 19th century.

    Jewish influence on European culture comes in two waves:

    First-Second Centuries AD: NT authors, with Paul as the paramount figure.

    Post-1800: Marx. Freud, Einstein, etc

    In between, there’s a scattering of figures (Maimonides, Spinoza, Ricardo), plus a few debatable cases like the part-Jewish Montaigne.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  89. MEH 0910 says:
    @MEH 0910

    David Klion Retweeted:

  90. @syonredux

    And that small matter of all the scholars who could read Greek and Hebrew fleeing Constantinople for the West after the final collapse of the Byzantine Empire. Surely the outbreak of Reformation soon after was purely coincidence.

    To which of your waves would you attribute this?

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @Lot
  91. SFG says:

    I never quite got how being smarter meant you should exterminate a group–seems the logical conclusion would be the opposite

  92. Lot says:

    “whether Jewish creativity will remain as high as in the 20th Century.”

    Irrelevant question.

    Peak Jew was roughly 1950-1975. Non-orthodox Jews were about 4% of the white US population, whites were 85% of the total population, US was 1/3 of the world economy.

    Now pure non-Orthodox AJs are under 1% of white births that are less than half of US births that is more like 1/6 of the world economy.

  93. syonredux says:
    @Desiderius

    Yeah (sans Luke), and if Shakespeare had Montaigne (was he at all observant? converso?) then that influenced a hell of a lot more than just the Tempest.

    Montaigne’s ancestry:

    Although there were several families bearing the patronym “Eyquem” in Guyenne, his father’s family is thought to have had some degree of Marrano (Spanish and Portuguese Jewish) origins,[10] while his mother, Antoinette López de Villanueva, was a convert to Protestantism.[11] His maternal grandfather, Pedro Lopez,[12] from Zaragoza, was from a wealthy Marrano (Sephardic Jewish) family that had converted to Catholicism.[13][14][15][16] His maternal grandmother, Honorette Dupuy, was from a Catholic family in Gascony, France.[17]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_de_Montaigne

    As for how much influence Judaism had on Montaigne, who knows?

    It is difficult to know what Montaigne actually thought of the Jews, for this was a dangerous subject in those days of religious intolerance. Almost all his references to the Jews, however, show a sympathetic attitude. In the Essais he mentions disapprovingly the persecutions in Portugal, as well as the Jews’ stubborn loyalty to their religion (Book I, chap. 14). But it is in the Travel Diary (Journal de Voyage), not intended for publication (it saw the light for the first time in 1774), that numerous references are found to Jewish life and customs, as Montaigne saw them at first hand during his Italian journey. There is no doubt that he went out of his way to visit synagogues, attend Jewish ceremonies, and converse with Jews. Montaigne gives a detailed, accurate and sympathetic account of Sabbath services and a circumcision ceremony. He comments on the communal participation in prayer, study, and discussion, and on the widespread knowledge of Hebrew, even among children. On February 6, 1581, he witnessed a pre-Lent “entertainment”: burlesque races on the Corso, in which half-naked Jews had to take part. He also attended a conversion sermon, given by a famous preacher, himself a converted Jew, who used his talmudic knowledge to convince his brethren to convert. In all these instances his tone is objective, detached, and completely free from the accepted prejudices of the time.

    But two facts remain puzzling: Montaigne’s obvious interest in Jewish life and his refraining from any mention of his mother in the Essais, a largely autobiographical work. Some critics interpret this as proof that Montaigne was deeply preoccupied with his Jewish identity and, for reasons of caution, deliberately avoided any reference to it. This may be so, but one basic fact is unknown, whether Montaigne even knew of his mother’s Jewish ancestry. It seems doubtful, as her ancestors had been Christian for several generations, and no one, in those intolerant days, would have gone out of his way to unearth his Jewish ancestry. Montaigne may have had other reasons for emphasizing his father’s influence and ignoring his mother’s. His education, which partially determined his philosophical direction, was shaped by his father. Furthermore his mother, like his siblings who are absent from the Essais, converted to Protestantism and this, for a public figure such as Montaigne, was not an asset in the midst of the religious wars. As to his display of interest in Jewish life in Italy, it could well be that of a liberal humanistic non-Jew, keen as he was on heterodox, free, original ways of living and thinking, as manifested in various groups of outsiders, and unaffected by the current oppressive Church restrictions. Unless other manuscripts come to light, which is unlikely, the question remains open.

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/montaigne-michel-de

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  94. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    Jews tend to collect in certain occupations and industries. (One gets the impression these are the only occupations of interest to the moderator). The occupations and industries don’t employ that many people in the broader scheme of things. Law is an occupation which collects a lot of Jews. However, lawyers account for 0.4% of the working population, perhaps 1.3% of those working as proprietors or on salary, (and perhaps 2.7% of those in fancy bourgeois occupations). There are about 300,000 people working as producers, directors, reporters, commentators, editors, or writers. That’s roughly 0.7% of those in salaried employment. The number of people employed in the media is surprisingly small – perhaps 1.4% of the non-managerial workforce. The Bureau of Labor Statistics doesn’t track management positions by sector, but does indicate that managers account for about 5.5% of all working adults. If that proportion holds for media occupations, that accounts for a shade over 100,000 people, or about 0.25% of all salaried employees. The BLS data isn’t granular enough to identify people working in sales and trading at investment banks. Goldman, Sachs employs 36,000 people. You figure about 60% are hourly staff and guess that 8% or so are salaried but in staff rather than line function. That gives you 12,000 people spread out between their various lines of business, sales-and-trading being one.

    Now, he says that 40% of the partners at ‘leading law firms’ in ‘New York’ and ‘Washington’ are Jews. (1) he selects an occupational set where Jews tend to pool and (2) he selects one commuter belt where Jews account for 10% of the population as a whole and roughly 1/3 of those in bourgeois occupations and another where they account for about 4.5% of the population as a whole and maybe 15% of those in bourgeois occupations.

    I don’t think his datum on the composition of the professoriate would survive an audit, but that’s just a guess.

    I have no clue how he defines ‘intellectual’. I suspect if you had a no-peeking definition of ‘public intellectual’ ca. 1985, you would have discovered that they tend to be Jewish as often as not. They produced discussion and diversion for dweebs like me; other people read the sports pages. With the exception of The New York Review of Books, these publications were all in the philanthropic sector at that time. Few people could make a living at it. Fewer still nowadays. And few of them are influential. George Will could put an issue on the map in his prime. Some others (e.g. Irving Kristol) could, more infrequently. If you’ve been following the career of his son Wm. Kristol the last four years, you can see how much he matters.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @peterike
  95. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @B36

    In terms of corporate achievement, Wikipedia has a list of Israeli companies that listed on the Nasdaq, but it’s a few years old. There have also been Israeli companies acquired by American companies for billions of dollars. E.g., Berkshire Hathaway acquired an Israeli metal working company, and Intel just bought an Israeli chip maker for $2 billion (I just found out about that while searching for the name of the Israeli autonomous driving company Intel acquired a couple of years ago).

    As far as artistic/media success, a couple of Israeli TV shows were remade into premium cable shows in the U.S., and there have been a couple of Israeli novelists translated and awarded prizes internationally, such as the late Amos Oz. My guess they’re punching above their weight on that sort of thing, but I don’t have a comprehensive idea of it in mind.

  96. syonredux says:
    @Desiderius

    And that small matter of all the scholars who could read Greek and Hebrew fleeing Constantinople for the West after the final collapse of the Byzantine Empire. Surely the outbreak of Reformation soon after was purely coincidence.

    Well, we’re not talking about Byzantine Greek influence…..

    To which of your waves would you attribute this?

    Neither. That was William Blake…..who was not Jewish.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  97. I think that there are two important factors that make for Jewish excellence. The first is the written scriptures, so a lot of Jews have been literate from whenever. And the Torah! I was shocked to find that each page is about one quarter in big type and three-quarters commentary in small type, so arguing over the meaning of words goes way back for Jews.

    Then there’s the fact of Jews being a tiny minority wherever they have lived and managing to keep their identity all these centuries. I’d say it takes an immense intellectual, religious, and political effort to do that.

  98. utu says:
    @MEH 0910

    He makes several good points based on Bret’s biography:

    “Or you can learn different lessons. You can learn, for instance, that society should operate according to a rigid social caste system, in which business and artistic elites intermingle in lavish homes while dismissing and fearing the rabble outside the gates. You can learn to be from a place without really being of it, to take pride in the cachet of having lived there while spending your adult life in a series of very rarified, very white, and very gringo institutions. You can learn to identify instead with the Israelis as they dominate and colonize the land where their perceived inferiors have lived for centuries. Once you’ve absorbed all of that, a lifetime tenure at the most powerful op-ed page on earth awaits you.”

    “Stephens saw Catholicism as practiced in Mexico with its heavy pagan influences as ‘primitive.’” He changed his mind when he left Mexico for university and met American Christians.

    “It was a revelation to me that you could be a sincere Christian and not be a peasant,” he said. According to Israel Insider, “As he became more committed to Israel, it was hard not to notice […] that it was Christian conservatives who were amongst the most supportive of Israel.”

    In other words, Bret came around on Christians after he met some who were white (and pro-Israel). But while Bret’s views on Christianity may have evolved, his subsequent publicly expressed opinions of Arabs and Muslims seem to echo his earlier attitude toward the “primitive” Mexican “peasants.”

  99. @Hackson Jale

    Jesus doesn’t reject the Tanakh, he fulfills it. That’s why it comprises the bulk of the Christian Bible. To this day the Word preached from Christian pulpits is as likely to find its genesis in Hebrew exegesis as in Greek.

    Calling Jesus Jewish is a slight anachronism, but not a fatal one. His beef is with Pharisees and Sadducees, not Jews per se, nor ultimately was Paul’s. There is no reason to consider John superior to Matthew.

  100. Let me see if I got things straight here.

    3000 years of Yemeni/Arabic Jewish genius gives us… exactly nothing.

    Babylonian/Iraqi/Mesopotamian Jewish genius… nothing. Some syncretic literary mythological weirdness and Talmudic hair-splitting, but basically… nothing.

    Maghrebi/Egyptian Jewish genius yields… close to nothing.

    Levantine Jewish genius, the absolute source, gives us… obscure Talmudic scribblings, a lot of quarrels, and a Second Temple of mediocre neo-Assyrian architectural derivation; a capital, Jerusalem, of zero architectural significance, and a whole lot of angry bitter muttering.

    Jewish interaction with the European world, the world of Archimedes, Euclid, Aristotle, Plato, Anaximander, Homer, Aeschylos, Sophocles, Euripides, and later Ovid, Virgil, Catullus, Seneca, and then even later Aquinas, Erasmus, Descartes, Michelangelo, Titian, Dante, Shakespeare, Wren, Bacon, Newton, Bach, Mozart, Pasteur, Faraday, Clerk-Maxwell, Franklin, Wagner, Edison and Ford… two thousand whole years of interaction with the mightiest expression of human genius on earth yields a mess of Jewish loan-sharks, usurers, extortionists, bankers, schemers, rent-seekers and slave-traders, until they finally after long gestation vomit forth the twin frauds Marx and Freud, and then a slew of good mathematicians and physicists, in the first half of the twentieth century. Einstein published his first major paper with ZERO citations:,-apparently two thousand years of goyish science were not worth acknowledging, for this “singularly” genius Jew. Burp.

    Tell me what I’m missing here.

  101. BenKenobi says:
    @Desiderius

    “Man was born to love
    Though often he has sought
    Like Icarus, to fly too high.
    And far too lonely than he ought
    To kiss the sum of east and west
    And hold the world at his behest
    To hold the terrible power
    To whom only gods are blessed
    But me, I am just a man”

    – Mike Patton, Faith No More, “Just a Man”

  102. Anon[279] • Disclaimer says:

    Bedbug and open-propagandist Bret Stephens doesn’t know when his own poor reputation, and that of the propaganda rag for which he writes, hurts by association the reputation of the group that he endorses and promotes.

    At this point, his and the NYT’s endorsement, of anything, promotes reflexive suspicion of their supporting facts.

    In short, Stephens would have done better by the Jews to criticize them. I’m comforted by the fact that Bret won’t be endorsing my group anytime soon.

    When the propaganda outlets are torn down and our functionally legitimate institutions are restored, anything associated with the corruption that Bret represents is going to be subject to trial.

    My intuition tells me that (((their))) intuition is to ramp up positive propaganda for Jews as antisemitism palpably increases. If it were only so simple, checking antisemitism would have been historically formulaic to the point that antisemitism would have been a non-issue.

    The fact is that the public sees a noticeable increase in Semitic propaganda, as criticism of Jews increases, as a predictable action and symptom of the strategic out-group supremacy that they are criticizing. As such, it has a better chance of accelerating anti-Jewish sentiment than it does mollifying it.

  103. black sea says:
    @Anonymous

    My experience has been that intelligent men prefer the company of intelligent women over that of dim women. This would be particularly true of marriage, but applies even in the case of a dating relationship.

    Ultimately, spending time with someone with whom you share some interests and abilities is far more satisfying than the alternative. I can’t off the top of my head think of any male acquaintance – Jewish or Gentile — who did otherwise.

  104. Roger says: • Website

    Bret Stephens is a Trump-hater who is preoccupied with ousting him from the White House, so I take “high-minded purpose” to mean working for anti-Trump political causes.

    There is the never-quite-comfortable status of Jews in places where they are the minority — intimately familiar with the customs of the country while maintaining a critical distance from them.

    This is more revealing than the IQ comments. Stephens is suggesting that Jewish Americans are not loyal Americans, but more interested in worldwide Jewish causes.

  105. @Hibernian

    On every single issue where Clarence Thomas disagreed with Scalia, who was brilliant, Clarence Thomas was right, with a few minor exceptions in areas like bankruptcy law and ERISA law.

    That being said, what Supreme Court Justices are paid to do is recognize the legal issues and decide which party presents the most correct interpretation of the statute under discussion, so it is possible that Thomas may be less brilliant than Scalia, but is better at recognizing the truth.

    Scalia spent an awful lot of his intellectual capital on advocating for his academic views on originalism, which is not the sort of thing a truly brilliant person would do.

  106. SFG says:
    @Anonymous

    I would imagine quite a few gentile whites would take the high-IQ 7 over the low-IQ 8 if thinking about long-term compatibility or children. You can’t fix stupid.

    That said, it’s noticeable how many Jewish guys are going Chinese–all the IQ, without the nagging!

  107. Bill says:
    @Anonymous

    Ashkenazi “Jews” share not ethny, not cult, not creed with Second Temple Palestinian Jews (of whom Jesus was one). Modern Judaism is as much a rejection of Judaism (the thing out of which rose the hated Christianity) than it is a continuation. Frantically loose-leaf-notebooking your holy book and then refuting it with a new, additional holy book is positively Mormon in its not-continuity with the alleged predecessor.

    So, although it’s true that Jews influenced early Christianity and “Jews” heavily influenced the destruction of Christendom, those two groups just ain’t the same.

  108. SFG says:
    @Anon

    Nepotism plus IQ. Lots of groups help each other out (it’s hard to start a diner on Long Island if you’re not Greek), but to do that well the group actually has to have some natural advantage in these areas to boot.

  109. @B36

    Israeli tech success is a myth, and comparable to what you would find a third-tier US tech hub, like Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill. The largest Israeli successes have been a handful of companies like Wix and Waze.

    Additionally, there are some signs tech exports are beginning to slow: https://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/israel-sees-sharp-decline-in-hi-tech-exports-in-2019/2019/12/12/

    The biggest challenge for Israel’s modest tech ecosystem will be keeping Jewish developers, who are attracted by higher salaries and better QOL elsewhere. As it turns out, Israel is a boring, expensive place for a young person.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  110. Bill says:
    @Jack D

    It would be faster to breed blacks exclusively with Jews and Episcopalians.

  111. @Hackson Jale

    Modern, decadent, Christianity might have embraced “universal equality”, but Christ never did. He declared that all men can be saved – call it “universal access to eternal life” if you will, but “equality”, that pestilential doctrine, has nothing to do with it.

  112. Anon[432] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    “I think there are 3 big factors to Jewish genius and achievement. Jews are smart, curious and driven.

    Besides high IQ there’s also high curiosity. This is where being prone to question and rethink premises as Bret puts it comes into play. And his column is missing a third element. Jews have really high achievement motivation”.

    In Bret’s pseudo-scientific hypothesis and your addendum to it, none of it approaches a believable pastiche of theory without controlling for the obvious and open cultural-religious mandate for Jewish nepotism. Ignoring it as a variable makes other conclusions useless in every meaningful sense.

    Nepotism’s strength as a positive-outcome variable may also be reflected in the Jewish primary drive to prevent it within their primary competitor group: gentile Europeans.

    To complicate things further, one would want to control for multi-generation downstream effects of that nepotism, such as socioeconomic advantage, psychological advantage from being allowed a strong in-group culture that recommends nepotism, and IQ gains from culturally enforced in-breeding (that in-breeding leads to IQ loss is propaganda).

    None of which speaks to Jewish virtue or genius, but rather to effective Jewish strategy as measured by the distance between what they are able to protect in their group and take away from other groups.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  113. @Desiderius

    It is also possible that the Evangelists – speaking in an inspired way – recorded the arguments of Jesus with the Pharisees (the equivalent in Judea of today’s Jesuits) and the Sadducees (the equivalent in Judea of today’s woke existentialist thinkers) because the Pharisees and Sadducees had the best (that is, the most convincing, even if faulty) arguments against the truth —- as such they were not worse than other Jews but simply were most in need of hearing Jesus in his arguing mode.

    If you are a parent with several children you understand that some children just need to be told what to do, some children need an explanation. A parent understands that the children who need explanations are not better or worse than the other children, just different.

  114. Jack D says:
    @Desiderius

    The purely Hebraic tradition (if there was ever such a thing – before it had Greek/Roman influence, Judaism had Babylonian influence) could not survive after the destruction of the Temple. The entire religion was geared around the Temple Mount and the sacrifices that took place there and the priestly class which supervised it. At that point the religion had to either change or die.

    Likewise, good luck finding mention of 99% of the stuff that is in the Federal statutes and in the Code of Federal Regulations in the original Constitution. FDR found himself in a somewhat similar position (or at least thought that he did) – he could either toss the whole thing in the trash and start over or else he could pretend that the new system has continuity with the old one and thereby give it greater claim to legitimacy.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Desiderius
  115. njguy73 says:
    @Jim Christian

    The pigtailed blonde is Margot Robbie.

    She’s kind of a big deal.

    • Disagree: MikeatMikedotMike
  116. Lot says:
    @Desiderius

    Speaking of Cromwell, here’s a fairly unknown painting of Black Tom that the Fairfax family sold in 2017 for £167,000.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
  117. Jack D says:
    @Desiderius

    Jesus doesn’t reject the Tanakh, he fulfills it.

    Christianity “fulfills” it by ignoring its explicit commandments, or at least the most inconvenient ones. Want a ham sandwich? Don’t want to cut off your foreskin? No problem, just accept Jesus and you can keep enjoying that delicious prosciutto and keep your manhood intact.

    His beef is with Pharisees and Sadducees, not Jews per se,

    This is like the guys who say that they are not anti-Semitic, just anti-Zionist.

    Two seconds ago you were complaining that modern Judaism has beliefs that cannot be found in the Tanakh, but Jews are mere pikers in that respect compared to Christians.

    Both religions obviously had good reason for wanting to claim the legitimacy that comes from being the “true” continuation of Biblical Judaism and drawing a direct line from themselves to Moses and King David. But to an objective observer, it’s clear that the continuity is far less than perfect. It’s like all Europeans being able to claim that they are descendants of Charlemagne – this is true but at the same time 99% of their DNA is NOT from Charlemagne.

  118. @Craig Nelsen

    “He was not at all observant”?

    Perhaps you are a Protestant. What matters for Catholics is less how one lives than how one dies. Once he became ill, and his mortality could not be ignored, Montaigne journeyed to the Holy House of Loreto to ask for the intercession of the Mother of God, for himself and his family. He ordered Mass to be said in his room as he lay dying, and did in fact enter eternity as the Holy Sacrifice was being celebrated.

    We call that a holy death.

    Talk of his Jewish ancestry is irrelevant. We are not talking about blood here, but Faith, and his was that of the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church. Two far greater Catholic figures of his time, St John of the Cross and St Theresa of Avila, were both substantially Jewish by blood. They were not therefore somehow “Jewish thinkers” but Catholic, and nothing else.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  119. @MEH 0910

    The mark of a true dyed-in-the-wool white supremacist is that he acknowledges that East Asians and Ashkenazi Jews are on average more intelligent than whites.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @artichoke
  120. Bruno says:

    What’s weird is that ashkenazim are a middle age creation. But the Jewish in Greek empire both Ptolemaic and Seleucid got the same level than American Jews or more. 2% and 30% of the wealth. 50% of top jobs. They already had what it makes
    them successful. Then, they went to war against Greek by looking for Roman help in 161 BC.

    In Rome, the diaspora proliferated exactly the same way but the population got up to 10% like it would be in Poland ! Then, the judean rebelled against Rome and it was their almost total destruction. Worst than WWII.

    So whatever the Jews had during Greek and Roman time, it was the same that made ashkenazim achieve what they have . And it wasn’t created through any bottleneck nor medieval persecution.

    The double culture of Jewish and their hyper critical stance against the society where they prosper (first Assyrian, then Greek, then Roman, then Western Europe, then Eastern Europe and Ottaman and now Anglo-American) is striking ! It’s always the same process. Inculturation, success, criticism and resentment, war and escape.

  121. Lot says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Dave Pinson’s link shows that these days Israel’s tech is focused on chip design and AI.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-habana-labs-m-a-intel/intel-buys-israeli-ai-startup-habana-labs-for-2-billion-idUSKBN1YK1BU

    Tracking people’s movements using their cell data might have been cutting age in 2008, now it is trivially easy and dozens of companies do it.

    How trivial? Make a cell phone game, have it ask for permanent permission to use location data during install, ask for name/email during setup.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/12/10/business/location-data-privacy-apps.html

  122. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    I think you are missing the point. There’s a reason why the author points to Nobelists and lawyers and intellectuals and not to masons and forest rangers and clerical workers. Despite being relatively small in number, the former group are the ones that shape the future of our society (for better or for worse). And as irrelevant as you think Kristol is, he is 1,000 times more relevant that the most influential carpenter or roofer. And NY and Washington are our nation’s financial and legal capitals. Do you think that it’s just a coincidence that there are more Jewish lawyers there than in Omaha or Tulsa?

  123. Sean says:
    @TelfoedJohn

    The marriage practices encouraging the mating of the most intelligent Jews to each other and then having many children that MacDonald described in APSTDA have long since ceased (apart from the large and growing UltraOrthodox community) and surely has an effect in the decline of the “homozygous fringe” genius Jews. There is a massive increase in intermarriage, many top students pegged as white gentiles may have had Jewish mothers and thus the most intelligent half-Jews are hidden in the statistics. “THERE are at least 150 genes linked to intelligence on the X chromosome, and verbal IQ is definitely known to be X-linked.”

    Jews have a substantial edge in qualities that enable them to rise in society. Comedians, journalists, tv hosts, trial lawyers, art critics, salesmen, political consultants public relations, scriptwriters, and film directors ect. They have the insight and ability to control and alter fashions and make the running in ideological trends (Freud is an obvious example because the ideas would not have flown without his tremendous power to convince.) Look at Hollywood, the Dream Factory, a very high stakes business that is extraordinarily Jewish, probably because Jews can more often make films that provide a satisfying story. The world most people want to live in does not have genetic causation of the important stuff. In Little man Tate a working-class woman of average intelligence has a child who studies quantum physics at 8 years old. In Good Will Hunting a South Boston hooligan is a fookin self-taught genius at calculus!

    It would be a waste of time to try and pitch a screenplay with a realistic background for a prodigy. In Elements of Surprise Our Mental Limits and the Satisfactions of Plot there is an interesting story of how during the making of The Third Man, David O. Selznick (son of a producer) insisted that the effect of Harry Lime’s dealings on sick children had to be shown somehow for the story to be satisfying. Jews understand these kind of things more easily than other people. A good movie makes the filmic technique invisible and involves you in its plot, while it gives you clues without giving the game away so that the surprise at the end makes the twist and turns of the story coherent, and we suddenly understand earlier plot points and motivation in a new light and the resolution is satisfying. Jews understand these things more easily. They invented the comic book super hero to answer certain needs in the potential audience, and despite the absurdities of the genre it does that so well the Superheroes are taking over films. Jews have an enhanced perception of underlying cultural assumptions. Edward Bernays was the double uncle of Freud. Women didn’t smoke in public and people did not have bacon for breakfast before Bernays. I don’t think Gregory Cochran’s explanation is a very good one for the high verbal IQ of Jews. Kevin MacDonald’s APTSDA:

    “Patai (1971, 161ff) notes a pattern in which Jews tend to excel in just those fields that are were most highly regarded by the host country.”.

    After Sputnik there was a lot of resources and prestige thrown at maths and physics, and I suppose “a pattern in which Jews tend to excel in just those fields that are were most highly regarded by the host country” would lead to a lot of Jewish mathematicians in the following decades , but not forever. There is the money aspect too, Jordan Belfort left Dentist school because the Dean announced on the first day that it was the wrong place to be if you wanted to get rich. Freud and Marx were from long lines of Rabbis

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @TelfoedJohn
  124. Gordo says:
    @Steve Sailer

    They also do a great job of commercialising bits and pieces like Public Key Private Key that originated in the UK or USA.

  125. Dutch Boy says:
    @Desiderius

    Judaism since the 1st century is a child of the Scribes and Pharisees. It is in essence an anti-Christian cult, as affirmed by the late conservative rabbi Jacob Neusner, who observed: “Jews who practice Christianity cease to be part of the ethnic Jewish community, while those who practice Buddhism remain within.” It is this enmity that is the root of all the negative influences Jews exert on the societies they dwell in.

  126. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    FDR found himself in a somewhat similar position (or at least thought that he did) – he could either toss the whole thing in the trash and start over or else he could pretend that the new system has continuity with the old one and thereby give it greater claim to legitimacy.

    The bank holiday, the devaluation of the currency, the end of the classical gold standard, and Glass-Steagall – were they not fully reconcilable with Article I – were not breaches any more severe than those offered during the Wilson Administration. The alphabet soup agencies were novel in the purposes and scale, but did not make use of disputed means. Ditto the extensive use of deficit financing. Social Security and unemployment compensation were salutary programs that were out of bounds. There were other programs which were out of bounds, but they were unsalutary and the country would have been better off had the Administration refrained.

    • Replies: @Curle
    , @Jack D
  127. Gordo says:
    @Glaivester

    The problem is that (a) enforcing eugenic breeding on black people is not really a feasible idea, and (b) this is not going to close the IQ gap in one generation. It is going to take centuries for something like this to have the type of impact you want.

    And they might end up like those Siberian foxes, you know, getting paler each generation.

  128. Anon 2 says:

    Much of the difference can be explained by two factors:

    1. The American Jews tend to be urban. Cities worldwide have a much higher
    average IQ than the rural areas. But you pay a price – large cities attract/create
    millions of neurotic urban nerds and, moreover, are population sinks. China, for
    both reasons, is now beginning to find out the drawbacks of moving tens of
    millions of people to cities;

    2. As Audacious Epigone recently pointed out the American Jews have extremely
    high levels of atheism compared to Christians or Muslims. Science employs
    materialistic methodology. Therefore, atheists have a competitive advantage in
    making contributions to science, for a number of reasons, (a) Death is the worst
    thing that can happen to an atheist, so they will be highly motivated to make
    discoveries in medical science in order to prolong life, (b) If matter is all you’ve
    got, then you’ll be more passionate about material improvements in people’s
    lives. Scientism, i.e., science as salvation, will become your religion. Moreover,
    you won’t “waste” time on going to church, reading the Holy Scriptures, or
    praying. It’s primarily a question of passion, not IQ. But, as in point (1), there
    is also a price to be paid for the society as a whole that would take too long
    to enumerate, starting with the fact that much of the West is still running on
    the waste fumes of Christianity. E.g., the very concept of the laws of nature
    came into being by starting with the belief in God as the Lawmaker, i.e., with
    monotheistic religions. One reason why India or China didn’t contribute much
    to physics until recently is because in polytheism there is a number of conflicting
    wills – it’s not clear that a single set of the laws of physics even exists.

    So to summarize – to become a great scientist, first become an atheist! Marx,
    Freud, and Einstein were all atheists (Einstein’s belief in Spinoza’s God doesn’t
    count).

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  129. @Gordo

    Jewish Genius has been on full display in the recent televised IMPEACHMENT show trials hosted by Adam Schiff and Jerry Nadler, with guest appearances by Sondland, Vindman, and all the rest of the participants.

  130. Gordo says:
    @istevefan

    Is there any sort of discord between Ashkenazi and non-Askenazi Jews similar to how we sometimes see a light-skinned black versus dark-skinned black divide?

    I seem to recall there was some sort of protest movement in the early 70s.

    Someone on here will know far more about this.

  131. anon[271] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius

    Watching Stephens regress to the mean in real time takes a stronger stomach than I can manage.

    Really? Are you not entertained?

  132. peterike says:
    @Art Deco

    I don’t think his datum on the composition of the professoriate would survive an audit, but that’s just a guess.

    Doesn’t matter. Academia is about influence, not numbers. One Jew, Jacques Derrida, had an enormous influence on academic departments of literature, and that influence was almost entirely bad in terms of our civilization. Academics in the humanities are slavish followers of intellectual fashion, and Jews often set the tone.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  133. @Lot

    In the top pic, the rendering of O. Cromwell makes him look like the PC Cheddar Man, just a bit less glossy.

    Was that the original, or an internet joke?

  134. @B36

    What is their actual weight though? 2.8 million Ashkenazi against 3.0 Levant Jews, add three million Arabs and other. Don”t forget to subtract that percentage of Ashkenazi–the growing one–who are Haredim. Perhaps being a very small minority within a thriving majority is better suited to great things than being a large minority actually running things in a fractious country. Even back in olden times Jews found self-governance self-defeating. It’s little wonder they have a propensity to wreak governance in counties where they reside.

  135. @TelfoedJohn

    Only the loser Armenians actually live in Armenia. In recent years (~20 years or so) Armenians have replaced Jews in places of prominence in Russia.

  136. @syonredux

    Of course Blake wasn’t Jewish. That’s my point. Don’t play dumb like some progtard.

    Those scholars teamed up with the best Western minds (including my namesake) to produce an explosion of new exegesis in both Greek and crucially Hebrew (which prior to that had been rare for centuries) that combined with the new Printing Press brought about a widespread rebirth of interest in the Old Testament.

    The Reformation (and as important Counter-Reformation) were of course the most obvious result, but the impact extended as far as Cromwell, the American Founding, and yes Blake, Milton, and far beyond.

    See the Arnold link for an example.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  137. @Amerimutt Golems

    There are few enough of them that they have to stick together. And there are enough of them that the stuck together mass is critical.

  138. Anon[505] • Disclaimer says:

    But Jews did not become major contributors to European advancement until well into the 19th Century. For example, it’s hard to explain the embarrassing Freud Cult without grasping that Europe and America in the first third of the 20th Century was full of brilliant young Jews who were rather lacking in Jewish intellectual heroes. So those who weren’t willing to throw in with Marx often elevated the bourgeois Freud to an absurd level of deference. Eventually, Jews got plenty of genuine intellectual heroes like Einstein, so we don’t hear much about Freud anymore.

    “Advancement” is not a good term here since it’s subjective and there’s disagreement over what constitutes it. Often in these sorts of discussions, it will imply some sort of hard science or technical work that leads to real world practical effects like some sort of technological or economic advancement. But in that case, Einstein’s work was theoretical and has had virtually no practical effects (despite the talk you sometimes hear about Einstein’s work being critical for GPS, it’s not necessary for GPS). And scientific and technological advancement accelerated in the 19th century, so the fact that Jewish contributions didn’t really pick up until then would not make it anomalous, since that’s when most scientific/tech advancements started to pick up in general.

    Most of what Aristotle wrote was wrong and or speculative nonsense, but he’s still generally considered a contributor to advancement, so the fact that Freud was similarly wrong or nonsensical wouldn’t disqualify him, especially since he was so influential and many people believe him to have been a contributor to advancement.

    Before the modern period, intellectual and cultural life were monopolized by the Catholic Church, so the fact that Jews weren’t overrepresented during that period doesn’t tell us much. Moreover, Jews were obviously critical to the formation and dissemination of Christianity into Western Europe, so they were culturally and intellectually influential even when they were eventually excluded from active participation. Christianity is a universalizing doctrine that is hostile to kin based relations and organizing just like Marxism, liberalism, etc. and every other intellectual and cultural current that Jews tend to develop and promote.

    Also before the modern era, Jews were already prominent as “Court Jews” who served as prominent financiers and advisors to European rulers and nobles:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_Jew

    Moreover, there is a good British Jewish historian named Jonathan Israel who has written about the prominent role played by Jewish financiers, merchants, advisors in motivating and promoting the European age of exploration and colonial enterprise. Israel has also written about the prominent role played by Spinoza and Jewish thought in developing and disseminating the ideology of Enlightenment Liberalism that would come to dominate Europe. This ideology was like Christianity, Marxism, etc. one that promoted universalism and a deemphasis on kin based relations and organization.

    Rather than “advancement”, which tends to be subjective and inconsistently applied, it’s better to look at influence. And if we focus on influence, Jews have been influential long before the 19th century.

    • Replies: @utu
  139. Sean says:
    @Jack D

    Jews are unusual among high IQ groups because their verbal and mathematical abilities are quite evenly matched.

    Plomin says it is normal to be able to do maths well if you are also good at English. General intelligence.

    According to ‘A People That Shall Dwell Alone’ Jews have long understood that a family with several members suffering from a disease was not a family to be marrying into. Moreover the qualities of the brothers of a prospective bride were paid attention to (sex linked factors). A case of mental illness in the family was profoundly damaging to the marriage prospects of all family members.The prospective Ashkenazi father-in-law gave his future son-in -law an actual examination according to APTSDA. An Ashkenazi noted as a scholar would not be be poor for long. He would received a range of valuable emoluments.

    1. A wealthy man’s daughter as wife.

    2. Extremely high status in the community of a kind which brought economic benefits For example a ruling granted business monopolies on trade with gentiles to eminent scholars.

    3. Gifts, even if a scholar was well-off.

    4.Protection from anyone speaking against him. This was enforced by bans and fines.

    The supreme resource for obtaining a good marriage was having scholars in the family tree (yikhus) which many could trace back six generations A good scholar could marry very young to the daughter of a successful businessman and be supported with free room and board (kest) as well as a large dowry.’Is my mother-in-law paralyzed that I should have to earn a living’ Scholarship was more highly regarded than business success and although the two often went together businessmen supported the most eminent scholars to such an extent that many became wealthy in their own right.

    A good proxy for IQ would be the ability to get on in the world, which is what IQ is there for. The most intelligent people of all will tend to express views about racial/genetic differences in intellectual attainment that their superior intellectual ability has determined will be a means to the end of getting on in life. In other worlds, the cleverest people will see through the pretense that they are supposed to tell the truth, and say what society will reward them for saying. So equaliterianism and racial egalitarianism are a proxy for very high IQ. The most intelligent people of all will tend to take it a step further and exert themselves to come up with plausible theories that explain why IQ environmentalism is true.

    According to Robin Dunbar, Plains Indians had a tradition of low born warriors becoming “war chiefs” who would never retreat in battle and usually got quickly killed although they had a slight chance of rising to the top. Race differences is a very risky area, and the gatekeepers of journals probably assume such research is a gambit by bad scientists with little to lose.

  140. @Jim Christian

    WHO are all these broads aside from Rosie Perez?

    Who is Rosie Perez?

    • Troll: ScarletNumber
  141. Not Raul says:
    @Jack D

    Your argument is inane.

    There are 613 mitzvot (by Rambam‘s enumeration). Even rabbis generally make no attempt to follow many of them to the letter.

  142. Speaking of intelligence, Henty, the author (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._A._Henty) says -or one of his characters- about blacks:

    They [Negroes] are just like children … They are always either laughing or quarrelling. They are good-natured and passionate, indolent, but will work hard for a time; clever up to a certain point, densely stupid beyond. The intelligence of an average negro is about equal to that of a European child of ten years old. … They are fluent talkers, but their ideas are borrowed. They are absolutely without originality, absolutely without inventive power. Living among white men, their imitative faculties enable them to attain a considerable amount of civilization. Left alone to their own devices they retrograde into a state little above their native savagery

    I’ve found it strange, always, that all those 19th C smart Victorians couldn’t figure that blacks could be dangerous, predators. Their black is always childish, dependent- and harmless. Sure, they speak about savagery frequently, but it is evident they didn’t consider, even as a possibility, black destructive behavior.

    And with slaveholders in the South (and elsewhere): what did they think, they could keep slaves forever, until some stupid unimaginable infinity? Shaking my head….

  143. Darren Beattie weighs in:

  144. @Sean

    You’re too cynical by γ.

  145. Anon[246] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    Comedians, journalists, tv hosts, trial lawyers, art critics, salesmen, political consultants public relations, scriptwriters, and film directors ect.

    How much of Jewish success in 20th century mass media had to do with the combination of ethnic nepotism and the monopolistic nature of 20th cent. mass media?

    Mass media journalists and entertainers have lost a lot of mindshare, authority, and prestige with the rise of the internet and consequent increase in “channels” and competition. In the heyday of 20th cent mass media, you had a handful of TV channels, radio stations, newspapers, and magazines that served as a gatekeeper and bottleneck to any kind of broadcasting and reach. Nowadays, anyone can reach an audience through the internet, and legacy media outlets and figures have lost a lot of popularity and prestige. A lot of young people these days are attracted to media outlets like social media and the “Chans” and video streamers and internet personalities who are the opposite of Jewish media personalities and developers.

    • Replies: @Sean
  146. OFF TOPIC | Meanwhile in the Capital of Left Bellcurvia …

    Dozens killed in Mogadishu car bomb attack

    No claim of responsibility for the attack in Somalia capital that injured more than 100 people, including children.

    At least 78 people have been killed and more than 100 wounded in a car bomb attack in the Somali capital Mogadishu on Saturday, authorities said.

    “The number of the dead from the blast is still increasing, we now have 78 dead and 125 injured,” the director of the private Aamin Ambulance service, Abdukadir Abdirahman Haji, told AFP news agency.

    Police officer Mohamed Hussein said the blast targeted a tax collection centre during the morning rush hour.

    Those wounded include children and several university students who had been travelling in a bus, Hussein said.

    ————

    There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the blast.

    President Mohamed Abdullahi Farmaajo condemned the attack as a “heinous act of terror” and blamed the al-Shabab armed group.

    Al-Shabab, which once controlled much of the country, was forced out of Mogadishu in 2011 and has since lost most of its other strongholds. But its fighters regularly attack sites in Somalia and neighbouring Kenya, which has troops in Somalia to battle the armed group.

    The attack raises concerns about the readiness of Somali forces to take over responsibility for the country’s security from an African Union force in the coming months.

    Somalia has been riven by conflict since a civil war broke out in 1991, but has stabilised somewhat in recent years.

    The time to buy that condo in Mogadishu is NOW!

  147. MEH 0910 says:

  148. @Harry Baldwin

    ‘The mark of a true dyed-in-the-wool white supremacist is that he acknowledges that East Asians and Ashkenazi Jews are on average more intelligent than whites.’

    True enough — but my attitude tends to be that we are, after all, all individuals, and it doesn’t matter if I come from a group with an average IQ of 95 whilst you come from one with an average IQ of 105.

    It’s perfectly possible for my IQ to be 140 whilst yours is only 90, and if so, I’m obviously smarter than you — whatever the averages. You can take refuge in a spurious sense of superiority based on your group identity. I’ll still be able to beat you in a game of chess — over and over, for all eternity. I, personally, am smarter than you, personally — whatever our last names.

    A related concept is that the variation is trivial enough that so long as one doesn’t fret about how fewer xigans are Nobel-prize winners than y-agons are, there’s no practical significance to the distinction. Indeed, culture’s worth a few points and IQ isn’t a perfect mirror of intelligence in the first place, so forget about it. There’ll be more Japanese physicists than one would expect. Big wow.

    The only caveat would be that blacks are on average so much dumber that it really doesn’t work to lump them in with everyone else and afford them the same freedoms and burden them with the same expectations. One can have a sovereign nation of Xigans, and they will govern themselves presentably; expecting blacks to ever manage the same feat is obviously unrealistic.

  149. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    I think you are missing the point. There’s a reason why the author points to Nobelists and lawyers and intellectuals and not to masons and forest rangers and clerical workers. Despite being relatively small in number, the former group are the ones that shape the future of our society (for better or for worse). And as irrelevant as you think Kristol is, he is 1,000 times more relevant that the most influential carpenter or roofer. And NY and Washington are our nation’s financial and legal capitals. Do you think that it’s just a coincidence that there are more Jewish lawyers there than in Omaha or Tulsa?

    1. No clue why you’re talking about hourly employees when I never mentioned them.

    2. 1000x zero is still zero.

    3. It’s my contention that there are proportionately more Jewish lawyers in New York and Washington because there are proportionately more Jews in New York and Washington. About 1/2 the Jews in the United States live in one of five commuter belts where reside about 15% of the population. Now, it’s an interesting question as to why different ethnic groups have the settlement patterns they do, but it rather steals a base to suggest that it’s because there are so and so many positions there in high finance or in the central government government when only modest slivers of your population will spend their lives working in either. Lawyers are more common in New York, New Jersey, Maryland, DC, and Virginia than they are in the rest of the country. The additional increment of those in law jobs accounts for about 0.33% of the working population and 1% of those in bourgeois occupations. Some of that additional increment is due to the function of cities in general as service centers for a hinterland. These are comparatively urbanized states. Finance and insurance accounts for about 16.5% of value-added in New York and New Jersey v. 6.5% elsewhere. Some of the additional increment of attorneys in New York is indubitably attributable to that. There are 97,000 lawyers in New York and New Jersey; the increment over baseline would be roughly 44,000 lawyers; if 40% are Jews, that’s about 18,000 lawyers. I think there are about 8.5 million employed persons in the 19 counties around Manhattan, of whom about 850,000 would be Jews. So, your additional increment of lawyers would amount to a shade over 2% of the Jewish population, not all of whom have work derived from New York’s hypertrophied finance and insurance sector.

    4. Three of the Nobels are in the natural sciences. I suppose culture may influence in some occult way what people find impressive and in which lines of inquiry people wish to invest their effort, but it’s a stretch to say tomorrow is shaped differently if some natural phenomenon is discovered by a Jew as opposed to a gentile. The Peace Prize is humbug. About 6% of the Literature laureates have been Jewish; AFAIK, Saul Bellow was the only American among them.

    • Agree: utu
  150. Dube says:
    @Anonymous

    Christianity is a Jewish sect.

    Consider again. Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” (John 8:58.) And further: For it is witnessed of him, “You are a priest forever, after the order of Melchizedek.” (Hebrews 7:17.) And Hebrews 7:2 states that Melchizedek of Salem received a tithe from Abraham.

    So the personage of Jesus is independent of Judaism. Do Christian Zionists reckon this?

  151. @TBA

    Chess ability and general intelligence are correlated but not very tightly.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  152. @Jack D

    Even Weinstein has a better hole detector than you do Jack.

    My comment is Orthodox Christian doctrine. Your response is half-assed bigotry. I’ve yet to meet a rabbi who wouldn’t be utterly ashamed by it.

  153. @jinks

    Depends on where one finds oneself in history. I may be extrapolating from my own thinking, but I don’t see why US jews have any more premonition of disaster than a non-jew. In Europe depending on which country in which one lived, it was advisable to keep a suitcase packed next to the door.

    Like Gwen Ifull who said she was never surprised to wake up and find her skin was black, it is a more natural experience to be jewish than the non-jewish commentators here realize.

    Also the intellectual superiority of jews is not spread among them equally. I grew up in a Jewish micro-neighborhood in Brooklyn in the 1940s and I knew for a fact that every jewish kid on our block was a dolt except for Marty Tepper, Morty Richelson and Neal “Mickey” Cohen. The latter became an actuary as he intended. He was in the US army on leave when I ran into him in Paris in 1954 and he camped out for a few days in our dorm room. My very sweet-tempered Iranian roommate at the time asked him to buy a Burberry raincoat at the PX for him. Would you believe Mickey charged Hormoz a markup on the raincoat’s PX price, as we discovered from a receipt in the raincoat’s pocket?

    So there you are: jews are just like everybody else only moreso.

    • Replies: @jinks
  154. Anonymous[364] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    Jews like to claim as their own anyone who has Jewish ancestry, like some kind of one drop rule, but then they say that Jews are not a race but a culture etc. Look, Montaigne was French Catholic. He did not identify as a Jew and perhaps wasn’t even aware he had Jewish ancestry. And even if he had, he was far from being the only one. Many Jews converted and assimilated in this period and married Christians, by all effects ceasing to be Jewish. Now Proust, who had a Jewish mother, even if he did not practice Judaism, I can accept that he can be considered Jewish, but Montaigne, not so much.

  155. utu says:
    @Sean

    The most intelligent people of all will tend to take it a step further and exert themselves to come up with plausible theories that explain why IQ environmentalism is true.

    Are you saying that espousing the truth is left to the less intelligent ones like Cochran and Sailer? Or is it possible that the less intelligent ones might be mistaken?

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  156. Anonymous[364] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    “Jews have long understood that a family with several members suffering from a disease was not a family to be marrying into. “

    What about Tay Sachs disease or whatever it’s called and schizophrenia and all the several other genetic diseases they are more prone than gentiles to have?

  157. @Joneses

    How will the constant use of computers, specifically hand-held, affect the development of imagination in young humans? When I see flocks of children, their heads tilted and eyes attached to the mesmerization devices in their hands, oblivious to the atmosphere around them, I become depressed because I still haven’t found a way to work this troubling phenomenon into a story.

  158. @res

    Wait. I thought Unz was going with the Golden Thread for his Dean’s List.

  159. @Reg Cæsar

    A part of the world where they say it takes two Jews to swindle an Armenian.

    Orwell had Boris say (in Down And Out In Paris And London): “Trust a snake before a Jew and a Jew before a Greek, but don’t trust an Armenian.”

    • Agree: Dumbo
  160. utu says:
    @Anon

    despite the talk you sometimes hear about Einstein’s work being critical for GPS, it’s not necessary for GPS

    Correct. The GPS satellites are continuously being tracked by many ground stations and their clocks are being recalibrated several times a day. Any accumulation of time lag caused by whatever reason (a malfunction or relativistic effects) is taken out.

  161. Goddamn those pearl-clutching putzes dismissing anything Mr. Bedbug says and questioning his probably icky and chitinous but irrelevant motives even as he’s doing verbal somersaults in order to not land outside what’s considered a mild, unoffensive, nurture-focused point of view, and topping it off by saying there’s no evidence, when there is evidence, but since it’s not absolutely flawless evidence, they’d rather go with what is barely supported by any evidence, or better yet, by no evidence whatsoever.

  162. @Art Deco

    “And why would your survey of law firms be limited to New York and Washington?”

    Because that’s where the power lies, numbnuts.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  163. Fox says:
    @jill

    All of them were also pupils in the Austrian-German educational system, fact of no mean significance, I think.

  164. RCCA says:
    @B36

    In a word, yes. Achieved within 70 years of its founding: “*Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees to the population in the world. *Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation by a large margin – 109 per 10,000 people – as well as one of the highest per capita rates of patents filed.

    *In proportion to its population, Israel has the largest number of startup companies in the world. In absolute terms, Israel has the largest number of startup companies than any other country in the world, except the US (3,500 companies mostly in hi-tech).

    *Israel is ranked #2 in the world for venture capital funds right behind the US.

    *Outside the United States and Canada, Israel has the largest number of NASDAQ listed companies.

    *Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East. The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the UK. … etc.”
    https://israelseen.com/2011/07/14/collection-of-israels-achievements/

  165. @Jack D

    Both religions (I.e. Christianity and your personal Judaism) are messianic. Christianity got it from the appearance of the Messiah. You got it from?

    Neither one got it from the Tanakh, let alone Torah, although Mark, Matthew, and Paul worked hard to try to reverse engineer it.

    I have no complaint. I’m merely pointing out that describing Christianity as a Greco-Roman religion with Hebraic touches is the height of absurdity.

    • Replies: @Anon
  166. Dr. Evil says:

    Jews don’t mind if their children are “crazy” “autistic” nerds. The Jewish family is a nurturing virtual reality that is a model of neuro-tolerance. Or maybe not. I wonder if Jews consider jocks as criminals?

    • Replies: @Ian Smith
  167. Anon[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    That outsized influence can work both ways: for better or worse as you say.

    ie: Bill Kristol’s net “influence” from 2016 onward may be relegated to the acceleration of the arrival of a new persecution of Jews.

    The eventuality of Jewish influence working against their interests defies their offered logic as to why Jews would not exclusively hole up in extremely segregated, non-visible communities like Israel.

    For the Jews, everything else but a humble, non-political existence among “the nations”, similar to the Amish, is a ticking clock to genocide with the Jews themselves winding the clock.

    (Ignoring the Rabbinical lesson that teaches that Jewish expulsion is always eventual but the Jews will always abscond with a large amount of a nation’s wealth in that process).

    • Replies: @Jack D
  168. Dr. Evil says:

    A part of the world where they say it takes two Jews to swindle an Armenian.

    More Like:

    7 Russians = 1 Jew
    7 Jews = 1 Armenian
    7 Armenians = 1 Aisor (Assyrian)

  169. Daniel H says:

    But as the story of the Lithuanian rabbi suggests, Jewish genius operates differently. It is prone to question the premise and rethink the concept; to ask why (or why not?)

    We all know that Stephens is an insecure, ethnic cheerleader, but that he can assert this is laughable. The major flaw of Jewish intellect is the absolute refusal on the part of so many smart Jews to question and revist strongly held, group assumptions (I guess becasue of the fact that they are group assmptions is the very reason they are so strongly held). As Sailer mentions, the cult of Freud, Marx, Frankfurt school, et. al. In our day, an absolute refusal on the part of 90% of smart Jews to engage in a review of the cult of multiculturalism/dissolution of nations, or the elevation of sexual perversions/experession as somehow liberating.

    As America declines, Hindus and East Asians rise, NAMs drop the pretence that they are victims of disrimination/racism but are just determined to grab their portion, whatever it takes, expect much more of that vaunted Jewish intellect to be devoted to that very “mundane” business of figuring out “is it good for the Jews.”

  170. Anon[890] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius

    It would be more accurate to state that Judaism is Grecian, as the Grecian God is who found the Jews who were mining in Edom, with a strong Persian dualist / monotheist stream running through the middle and Semitic garnish (mostly geography). But that also isn’t going back far enough (which is obvious even upon superficial reading of the history of the central religious myths). Their Messianic Age and its apocalyptic requirement are completely lifted from other people and it is ridiculous that Jews believe that it applies to them as a protagonist group.

    The central Christian mythology can be traced to at least 800 BC, that we know of. That’s in writing. The actual starting point of its root in history is unknown.

    The Bible is two books that work together as one system. This is how the system was designed, before the first Semitic scribe began to lift his newly found religion from those who came before him. The seemingly opposite belief systems work in opposition to turn the crank of the cycle. What comes out of that cycle will look more Angelic than demonic. If that’s any hint to you. Anyone who truly rejects one book is an anathema.

  171. I’ll say this: they’re not making Jewish ‘genius’ like they used to.

    Anyway, Steve, are you going to review Little Women? No?

    You know who’s not surprised? Kristy Eldredge, Brooklyn writer. Keep in mind she also has a ‘humor blog.’ It can’t be any funnier than her op-ed whinging about how men aren’t going to see Little Women in droves:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/27/opinion/little-women-movie.html

    I wonder if more women were dragged to Midway by their husbands or more men were dragged to Little Women by their wives. It’s almost as if men and women have slightly different taste in movies.

    You just know she wanted to make it ‘white men,’ but then realized that the only men seeing LW are white men dragged by their wives to see a girl story about old timey American girls. I wonder how many black women were enthused to see this picture about Beckys who are probably actually named Becky? ( I never read the book. Sorry, Kristy)

  172. Deckin says:
    @jack daniels

    One way of joining the rest of us in the 21st century would be to stop talking about ‘accidental’ v. ‘essential’ properties.

  173. Anon[391] • Disclaimer says:

    Jews only became smart when they migrated into Europe and mixed their blood with that of plain old European whites. In ancient times, they weren’t any smarter than any other random tribal people, and they were way, way behind the Greeks and the Romans. The Greeks and the Romans produced a heck of a lot more smart and creative people than did the Jews during the same time period. Yet in the case of the Greeks, most of the brains came from the city-state of Athens, plus a few cities around the edge of Asia Minor.

    “Demetrius of Phalerum [in 317 BC] conducted a census that placed the population of free people at 21,000 [all male in the census] with 400,000 slaves and 10,000 resident aliens.” Yet that 21,000 group of free while males out-thought the Jews of the period by a mile. Most of the brilliance of the classical period of Athens took place before 317 BC, always with that tiny white male population. How many male Jews existed around the Mediterranean basin during this time? More than 21,000. Jews were just dumb during this time period. Most of Rome’s brains and innovation came from the educated elite Roman families, in turn only a small percentage of the population of the city of Rome.

    It was the white European admixture that made Jews smart. Jews had to move into Russia and breed with the natives before they became Ashkenazi-Jew smart. Anybody who looks at Jewish gene lines-especially Ashkenazis–knows they have sizable amounts of European ancestry.

    It’s worth noting that Sephardic Jews are not considered to be as smart as Ashkenazis. Sephardic Jews lived in Southern Europe, not Northern Europe like Ashkenazis. Ordinary white Southern Europeans score lower than on IQ tests than ordinary white Northern Europeans. Sephardics are dumber than Ashkenazis because the whites they bred with weren’t as smart as the whites Ashkenazis bred with.

  174. RJJCDA says:

    When I lived in Los Angeles in 90s, I noticed how different immigrant ethnic groups advanced in a generation. Koreans in the liquor store business caught my eye. Besides employing family only in most stores, they received original funding from pools of capital of other Koreans

    It is a practice where it is a circle with only external capital entering, but internally the capital is recycled around among their own ethnics almost exclusively. Once captured, it doesn’t leave. Call it selling to all, but buying from the chosen few. For many reasons, Jews developed this same system centuries ago.

    Slowly but relentlessly, members of these ethnic circles acquire a small percentage advantage over others who operate reciprocally in the broad economy.

  175. @Amerimutt Golems

    (1) Israeli companies often get bought out by multinationals, the “technology transfer” is actually more in the other direction (from Israel to the multinationals). (2) As for per capita income, one dubious way the West and East Asia achieves high per capita income (besides not having a 20+% Arab population) is by not having babies. That’s a wonderful strategy for about 2 generations, then it kind of sucks your native born population is ancient. A more interesting figure would be income per working age adult. In any case, Israel needs good soldiers more than entrepreneurs.

    I’m glad Israel doesn’t look like this:

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  176. pete767 says:

    well; the old gray lady is fairly stupid asnd their though entrained …

  177. Amy Chua’s 2003 book World on Fire pointed out how 5.5 of the 7 biggest Russian oligarchs of the Yeltsin Era were Jewish: –Steve on Twitter

    She told both a Jewish colleague and her Jewish husband that six of the seven were. The colleague was quite uncomfortable, and quickly changed the subject.

    Her husband took it in stride, but was surprised. “Only six?”

    Responses can vary!

    The same ratio was once seen in Hollywood. Six of the seven major studios were run by Jews, Darryl Zanuck being the exception. (Disney was all animation then, and isn’t included.)

    • Replies: @Moses
  178. @SFG

    “That said, it’s noticeable how many Jewish guys are going Chinese–all the IQ, without the nagging!”

    That’s what I thought. Sigh.

    • LOL: MEH 0910
  179. Lot says:
    @Nodwink

    Yan Shen is a nutball Chinese Supremicist.

    Cochran and others have reviewed the literature and there’s nothing remotely like you remember.

  180. @Anonymous

    I was pretty thrilled to find out Bruce Lee was Jewish.

  181. @Sean

    “THERE are at least 150 genes linked to intelligence on the X chromosome, and verbal IQ is definitely known to be X-linked.”

    I think this has been debunked.

    • Replies: @Sean
  182. I’m sure Bret would love to tell us other things he’s read about IQ differences by ethnicity.

  183. Whether or not Jews are smarter, Asians are cuter. The science is settled:

  184. J.Ross says:

    This article is fundamentally dishonest, it’s conflating alien identity with creativity. There is enormous conformity in Jewish culture. All their accomplishments come from bucking this conformity, which they were only able to do with great pressure, and all their defeats go back to that conformity and tunnel vision.
    But the real story of this article is that this is as close as the lyingpress comes to saying it’s not just okay, but pretty awesome, to be white. The Jewish Enlightenment did not occur in Yemen. Imagine Bret Stephens writing an op-ed explaining that it was European (and European-Jewish) creativity that made modernity, and that all the intellect and hard work of all the Asian cultures are not comparable to a white guy who accidentally drops a rubber ball on a heating stove.

  185. J.Ross says:
    @SFG

    >Chinese wives do not nag or harry
    We just put the derbsignal away for the holidays and you write this.

  186. Lot says:

    Stephens is getting SJW mobbed for his column, as well as the NYT guy who hired him.

    Guilt by association with Henry Harpending and Steve, his longtime best buddy and loyal supporter.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  187. @Morris Applebaum IV

    In any case, Israel needs good soldiers more than entrepreneurs.

    Liel Leibovitz, son of the Motorcycle Bandit, says Israel needs good coders nor than either:

    Israel should abandon its plan to make the ultra-Orthodox join the army and give them all jobs instead

    I’m glad Israel doesn’t look like this:

    Haifa’s Carmelit subway does look like that.

  188. @Anonymous

    Each sentence of this comment is incorrect. I’d never heard of Montaigne’s Jewish ancestry until Steve brought it up, but it’s there to see in the sardonic irreverence and canny insight into human relations.

    The most remarkable element of that wiki article was the claim that Montaigne’s father sent him to be raised by peasants for the first three years of his life. His own personal Spartan Cultural Revolution.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    , @Alden
    , @Dumbo
  189. @bjdubbs

    ” useless stuff like philosophy and telling jokes?”

    The notion (I won’t call it an idea) that philosophy, and the other liberal arts, are less valuable to society than manual labor, is exactly why we are in the current mess, where Jews run the culture and the goyim are happy doing “real” stuff like digging ditches (until AI can replace them altogether).

    And yet you complain about your dispossession (hey, isn’t that useless?). All that happened was that, to paraphrase Mencken (another useless guy), you got what you wanted, good and hard.

  190. @Lot

    The NYT needs to elect a new readership.

  191. oopae4Qu says:
    @Jim Christian

    They fail as art and even, to a great extent, as entertainment but they succeed at their actual goal so long as at least some impressionable minds consume them: being subversive and corrosive to the host culture where the Jew(s) resides.

  192. Jack D says:
    @Anon

    Normally when you are expelled (and you survive) the only wealth you can take with you is that which you carry on top of your neck. At the end of the war, my father’s entire wealth consisted of $20 Canadian bill which he had somehow hidden in the lining of his lice ridden striped cap.

    But that was OK because he made it all back again later.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  193. @Jack D

    “The other groups that have matched Jews in IQ (upper class Episcopalians and Unitarians) did exactly that – they started from an at least average or above average group and bred upward.”

    Interesting from an iSteve point of view. Both those denoms get a lot of heat from the dissident Right, yet here they are in the IQ elite. OTOH, the NRx and Groypes seem to think we need a wholesale conversion of the population to TradCath, which would seem to be a religion for dummies.

    Talk about cognitive dissonance. Which is it to be, IQ, science, HBD for all, or trad family values for dummies?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  194. @Glaivester

    The entire New Testament was written in Koine Greek and except for the four Gospels and Hebrews it doesn’t appear to have much to do with Israel or Jews at all.

  195. Prosa123 says:
    @Prester John

    Intermarriage and low immigration have diluted Greek-American identity to the point that they’re barely a cohesive group today. Even so, one possible bit of evidence is that Greek diners are closing in significant numbers at least in part because the US-born children of the mostly elderly immigrant owners have little interest in that line of work, often because they’re in fields that pay more for less work. That must be at least partly indicative of above average intelligence.
    [Note: many Chinese restaurants are closing for the same reason].

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  196. @Old NY Jew

    This old canard again? You hasbara guys need a new playbook. Priests, except of course at the highest levels (cardinals, Popes) were hardly expected to be high IQ. WTF does a parish priest in the village of Le Merde need a high IQ?

    Moreover, having a family member in the local clergy or monastery gave an advantage to the rest of the family, who would be more likely to be fed, have access to medicine, etc., thus increasing survival of kinfolk.

    And priests were hardly celibate, except in the French sense of ‘celibaire’ — bachelors. The Church wanted to confiscate their estates, rather than let their fortunes pass down and create rival centers of power. Most of the impulse of the Reformation was attacking clerical randiness; celibate? Ask the Borgias.

  197. @peterike

    In UK sociology and criminology a single book by Stanley Cohen, “Folk Devils and Moral Panics” was influential over at least three decades.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic#Cohen’s_stages_of_moral_panic

  198. Prosa123 says:
    @jill

    John von Neumann converted to Catholicism on his deathbed. Another odd aspect of his deathbed is that only medical personnel with security clearances could care for him, lest he blurt out secret information in his delirium.

  199. fnn says:
    @Ganderson

    The late Stan Freberg (Swedish-Irish) liked to tell stories about how being mistaken for Jewish helped his career in Los Angeles.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
  200. Prosa123 says:
    @Jack D

    But then, the Igbo are a well accomplished group and have essentially zero European ancestry.

  201. @Desiderius

    “Look, Montaigne was French Catholic. He did not identify as a Jew and perhaps wasn’t even aware he had Jewish ancestry.”

    These sentences are incorrect?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  202. Anonymess says:

    The real, and only question, we should be trying to answer is: “Why should they be in our countries to beging with?”

    Imagine the paradise – all of them in one nice country of their own without being limited by so-called anti-semitism. Sky’s the limit.

    Imagine our sadness after losing them. Unimaginable. I am literally shaking.

  203. @Reg Cæsar

    There are some good reasons why it might not make sense forcing the Ultra-Orthodox to join the military. 🙂 Something more productive than being the 23,215th best Talmudic scholar would be nice.

  204. J.Ross says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    This seems sensible — they have exactly the right skillset for coding and would probably be awful soldiers — except that the reason they want to abandon their national obligations is a religious obligation to study Talmud every waking moment. Coding time requirements would definitely cut into that.

  205. Orangeman says:

    But not Sephardic? Any guesses ?

  206. @Anonymous

    “Most Jewish men would rather marry a high IQ 7 than a low IQ 8”

    I hope that would be true for just about everyone. 7 is, by definition, pretty good looking albeit not the 9.99 that you see on your screens 24/7. To pick a dumb 8 over a smart 7 strikes me as insane (all other things being equal).

    For better or for worse, I’ve seen plenty of Jews pick 4s and 5s with giant brains when they could have married 9s+. Perhaps that’s true for many nerdy smart guys, see Bill Gates.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  207. @Jack D

    We need a lot more carpenters and roofers and fewer Kristols.

  208. @anonymous coward

    See the genetic research of Dr. Eran El-Haik, and Dr. Ariella Oppenheim. See the linguistic research of Paul Wexler. See the historical research of Prof. Shlomo Sand (specifically, his book “The Invention of the Jewish People”). Askenazi are not the Hebrews of the Old Testament. Jesus warned of the “Synagogue of Satan”.

  209. @Old Palo Altan

    The Avignon Papacy ended in 1376 and the Gallican Liberties were not published until two years after his death, so that would seem to make him Roman Catholic rather than French, although likely a more devout one than it is fashionable to imagine this side of the Enlightenment, as with my namesake. His father’s restriction of his upgringing to Latin alone would only have reinforced that ultimate allegiance.

    He didn’t identify as a Jew because that use of the word identify would have been meaningless to him. Would that it were to us. On the other hand if the Wikipedia is at all accurate he would surely have been aware of some Jewish ancestry however he understood the concept.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
  210. Hibernian says:
    @Jack D

    And as irrelevant as you think Kristol is, he is 1,000 times more relevant that the most influential carpenter or roofer.

    What about Mike Rowe?

    https://mikerowe.com/about-mike/bio/

    Not to mention a certain famous Carpenter.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  211. anon[363] • Disclaimer says:

    Jews do so well in law, finance, science, the arts. Pundits like to attribute this success to high Jewish IQs. Chinese have above-average IQs, but nowhere near the accomplishment. Very few Nobels and Fields Medals , nothing in the arts , some success in finance and tech., and this with the world Chinese population must be a 1000 times more than the Jewish population

    Obviously there are mental abilities IQ tests don’t pick up

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  212. @Jack D

    Of course there was, and is, a Hebraic tradition – that’s why you spoke of a Hebraic religion in contrast to a Greco-Roman one. Read the Arnold. He does a good job characterizing the Hebraic in a way that is contingent on neither Temple nor Messiah, Jesus or otherwise, and giving a hint toward it’s staying power over the centuries, and that of the people who sought and seek to live it faithfully.

    That’s why I went through the enormous pain of learning how to decipher this Stuttgartensia Leningrad Codex on my shelf, and was required to.

  213. @Hibernian

    Yeah, don’t see Kristol on many bumper stickers around these parts.

  214. There are Steve’s articles that are fun & illuminating; then, there are those of so-so quality; and, the repetitive & the boring, nothing new in them.

    This one belongs to the last category, also with usual suspects included as commenters (and a few worthy contributors)

    1. commenters are, I guess all of them-Americans. That is to say, ahistorical (American history is to European what a Hemingway short story is to Tolstoy’s War & Peace)

    2. lots of caricatural IQ faux-science Phlogiston-type talk; lots of misojudaism (to Hell with antisemitism with absurd Biblical terminology (Sem, Ham, Yaphet- what are then, anti-black racists: anti-Hamites & anti-white: anti-Yaphetites?). Misojudaism (misandry, misanthropy, misogyny, misotheism,..) seems to be solidly founded on a shallow perception of Jewish history & identity. You got books galore on the subject, but you’re too lazy to even skim through them.

    3. misojudaist attack Jews as crooks & degenerate mafiosi, bent on success in this world, incapable of any “higher” aspiration; Jews try to explain they were forced into occupations that gravitated to the money making. Both groups are into reductionist IQ mythology; history, culture, mentality, ethical considerations sometimes pop up, but quickly vanish.

    4. Jewish prominence in past 100-150 years is seen as something inexplicable, while there had been much more inexplicable prominences in past 2500 years.

    5. Montaigne was not a Jew, and Proust was of part Jewish ancestry. What I think of it, I would say that even Proust’s mother could be very cautiously called Jewish: true, she did not renounce her old faith he barely had practiced, but her identity, tastes, loyalties…were completely French. This cultured woman, whose main pointers in life had been Mme de Sevigne, Racine, Shakespeare, Pascal, La Bruyere, Corneille, …. did not have anything Jewish about her- except her parents & relatives.

    6. intelligence & capability of a scholar can hardly be valuable in business of stockbroker or banker or lawyer. A long line of exegetes, i.e. wannabe philosophers, produces only other exegetes who are invariably lost in the “real world”.

    7. the birth of Christianity & the Reformation are too complex subjects.

    And Brett Stephens is not worthy of a single comment here.

  215. @Jim Christian

    For some reason that image reminds me of A Clockwork Orange combined with That Time of the Month.

    I’m going to go ahead and not see it.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  216. Shmendrix says:

    Jews traditionally taught their children to read starting at the age of 3, while surrounding populations remained largely illiterate. This was true whether they were living in Lithuania, Egypt, France, Syria, Spain or Yemen.

    • Replies: @Anon
  217. @Jack D

    The traditional “dream match” of the shtetl was the wealthy merchant’s daughter with a promising scholar.

    It more or less still works that way in my community (Haredi Yeshiva). That is not to say that all the daughters of the rich marry scholars, but pretty much all the scholars marry daughters of the rich or daughters of Roshei Yeshiva- Deans of Yeshivas.

  218. Thoughts says:
    @Dumbo

    Totally Agree

    Jews are insanely supportive of one another…go to synagogue and you have an instant network

    If your a Jewish author who writes a book….the entire synagogue will give you 5 star reviews online no questions asked

    If your a Gentile author who writes a book…your MIL, FIL, BIL will be like ‘Well…let me read it first…and write an honest review…’ It’s just about tearing you down.

  219. Curle says:
    @Art Deco

    “The alphabet soup agencies were novel in the purposes and scale, but did not make use of disputed means”

    That’s news to me. I thought Congress, not the Executive branch, made legislation. Funny all the law review comments over the years disputing agency deference and rule making authority.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  220. @Desiderius

    In lieu of the best scholarship on the question, read the French wikipedia article on the man. It is both very complete and very judicious, and does not think it likely that Montaigne’s blood was significantly Jewish, nor that he would have had any particular inkling of it.

    But the man was intentionally vague about many things, so we will never know.

  221. @anon

    But 20 years ago, people said the small number of Japanese nobels in the hard sciences prove they aren’t creative, but since then the Japanese have won a lot of legit Nobels.

    • Replies: @Fox
    , @anon
  222. BB753 says:
    @Jim Christian

    Ass-kicking babes has to be one of the most ridiculous trend in modern pop culture, along with female hackers and super – genius pretty 20 something girl scientists.
    It’s probably some Japanese kink imported through anime that has spread to western pop culture, to the joy of incel masochistic fetishists and blue-haired feminists.

  223. @James J. O'Meara

    Groypers are critics of Catholic Integralism (tradCath). See SecondCity Bureaucrat.

    As for your question, IQ is akin to mental torque, cornering, etc. All useless or worse without a meaningful destination and good map to get you there.

  224. @utu

    “…the less intelligent ones like Cochran and Sailer?”

    You and about 3 other people here actually accept this premise. Thy name is chutzpah.

  225. Mycale says:

    I’ve interacted with plenty of smart Jews in my time, and one thing I find to be universal among them is that they GET a lot of help, and GIVE a lot of help, to fellow Jews, based on nothing more than being Jewish. Internships, job recommendations, charities, etc. – pretty important stuff for a person just starting out, and not only do they get that, they pay it forward later on.

    I’m reminded of when Julian Castro had to learn Spanish to brush up on his electoral bonafides, and his Jewish staffer sent him to a Jewish Spanish teacher he met in shul. They couldn’t find a Hispanic teacher in deep Texas?

    This is the primary reason why they are so overrepresented in the media, academia, finance, etc. Also note while they do this they have helped turn the idea of a white person helping out a (actual) fellow white person to be a thoughtcrime of the highest magnitude.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @Art Deco
  226. @BB753

    Australian model computer hackers, per Michael Bay, that’s the ticket!

    • LOL: BB753
  227. @LondonBob

    Spinoza was arguably the first modern philosopher, and was hugely influential.

  228. @anonymous coward

    This article is pure bull sheisse. The jews are not now nor have they ever been .. European. They did not create Egypt, Greece or Rome but were rather instrumental in their downfall by promoting the same crap they always do. Money lending/control , porn ,booze etc. ,etc.
    They hail from the E1a1 thru J2a2 haplogroups. They are GENETIC KIN to the Arabs NOT Europeans. The ashkenazi have a higher admixture with us which accounts for their intelligence.
    Furthermote, their gray matter lends to the higher verbal/ linguist side which is why you always see so many of them become liars… i mean lawyers.
    Ours tends to the spatial acuity lending to fantastic architecture and civilization.
    As it turns out Freud was in fact a FRAUD.
    What do you think he was doing working in a swiss patent office. Stealing patents , of course. All of his so-called genius comes from Olivo di Pretto ,Poincare, Lorenz, and Mikkelsen.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  229. J.Ross says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Spinoza was very interesting and influential, but it helps certain arguments here that his work came pretty clearly from colliding with Christianity, and that he was punished by his community.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Dave Pinsen
  230. @Reality Check 2019

    What’s the biggest exit Chapel Hill has had? I’m guessing the biggest in Israel was Intel’s acquisition of Mobileye for $15 billon and change in 2017. Israel’s tech sector is probably more akin to New York’s than North Carolina’s research triangle.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Hhsiii
  231. @Old Palo Altan

    Talk of his Jewish ancestry is irrelevant. We are not talking about blood here, but Faith, and his was that of the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church.

    It is said that the great 15th century Spanish Bishop, Alfonso de Cartagena (son of famous or notorious Jewish apostate or convert to Catholicism Paul Burgos) used to troll his fellow Churchmen by saying the Ave Maria ” Hail Mary full of Grace and my blood relative”

  232. J.Ross says:

    TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME SHOCK HORROR
    AN ENEMY OF THE CONSTITUTION AND BELIEVER OF TRUMP-RUSSIA LIES KILLED HIS FAMILY, THEN TWEETED TO MITCH MCCONNELL ABOUT HOW THIS PROVES HIS THEORIES
    https://www.news.com.au/world/kevin-heimsoth-tweets-thanks-to-nra-after-killing-wife-lynn-and-dog-sukha/news-story/4aa0bbb2125aac6a28534cc4de533e0d
    First there was the legalization and normalization of leftist rioting (which has only begun to be properly policed under AG Barr), then Ron Perlman regressing to infantile scatological madness, then a UC prof shot himself in a campus bathroom with a .22; now a Washington State man has killed his wife and dog because orange man bad and NRA magic.
    Can the folks who want free speech limited on the grounds that it could lead to violence maybe start to take stock of their constant and unforgivable pleading for anti-Trump violence, and the poisonous effect of this continued Russia hoaxing?

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
  233. @Anon

    The simplest counterpoint to the Jewish nepotism claim is that Lion of the Blogosphere, a Jew with an Ivy League undergrad degree and two law degrees, got zero hookups in law, as he has whined about periodically over the years. Being Jewish, by itself, isn’t much of an advantage. There has to be a closer connection than that. E.g., Bret Stephens helped get Bari Weiss a job at the NYT, but he’s not going to do the same for, say, Nicholas Stix, or Jack D, or LOTB, or millions of other Jews. Most Jews, like most non-Jews, don’t have elite connections, which is what most commenters here seem to mean by nepotism.

  234. @J.Ross

    I’m trying to think of other major Jewish contributors to the cultural rise of Europe between Maimonides (who was a big influence on Aquinas) and the late 18th Century. I’m guessing there were Jewish mapmakers in the Age of Exploration and Jewish businessmen who perhaps brought more advanced mercantile techniques to Amsterdam.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Anonymous
  235. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    If you are a professional, not only do you need the knowledge of your profession but the credentials. You have to be able to prove you are who you say you are at the least, and also, that your credentials are valid, and also the credentials have to be accepted in your new area of residence.

    I know DIY pro se litigants that have taught themselves more law than most lawyers and have won lawsuits representing themselves in court against competent opposing counsel, but they are not lawyers. Their knowledge has no market value. (Theoretically they could get jobs as paralegals, but having pissed off august members of the bar, not going to happen.) Similarly, a pharmacist trained in the ex-WarPac countries would not be licensable in the US today because their program is not comparable to the Pharm.D program in the US. The best they could do would be to bea pharmacy tech, or get a general chemistry job perhaps in wastewater treatment or a plating plant or something.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  236. J.Ross says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    To be technical it’s not even nepotism because it’s not by blood; this accusation is strengthened and not weakened by the tribal support system having an ideological component. It would not be sinister or destructive if it were neutral. Of course the goomba who talks too much cannot be made.
    ———-
    (hourly comment limit)
    Re lesser known Jewish accomplishers from the edge of the Renaissance, I do not foresee a good thwack to the Jewish Enlightenment component, but, recalling that Spinoza was by trade a lensman, the concentration of Jews in more precision-demanding detail-oriented professions probably played a faceless, stochastic, supporting role.

    • Replies: @danand
    , @res
    , @Dave Pinsen
  237. Ian Smith says:
    @Dr. Evil

    It’s like how if you breed dogs for only one trait, other things go to seed. Jews have high IQs, but also higher rates of mental illness, Tay Sachs, Gaucher’s, and so on.

    • Replies: @Dr. Evil
  238. anon[190] • Disclaimer says:

    Look at the length of this thread. Or of any thread having a similar subject. People just love this confusion, when re: IQ, they should be discussing Ashkenazi-derived genetic markers rather than ‘Jews’.

  239. Art Deco says:
    @Curle

    The Works Progress Administration, the Public Works Administration, and the Civilian Conservation Corps were service producing agencies, not regulatory agencies. Ditto the Tennessee Valley Authority.

    If you’re referring to the Securities and Exchange Commission, delegation might be a problem – if you can craft an enforceable non-delegation doctrine. Regulatory agencies of this sort may be illegitimate, but they were not novel. The oldest of them was instituted in 1887.

  240. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    Not every occupati0n or business requires professional credentials. I know a number of immigrant millionaires who never finished high school in their home countries.

  241. Lot says:
    @Prester John

    “ Wouldn’t be surprised if it was above average.”

    The USA has been brain-draining Greece with its high taxes and stagnant economy for a long time.

    Greeks in England tended to be wealthy in the early 1800s and helped finance the Greek War of Independence.

    Greek immigrants have the highest rate of being medical doctors, though of course in sheer number are dwarfed by Indians.

  242. @Dave Pinsen

    Atomized, deracinated Jews have just as much trouble as atomized, deracinated whites. Jews are just now hitting the wall whites hit awhile back so are more noticably freaking out about it.

    Whites who are in contact with connected whites bitch about that. Those who aren’t bitch about Jews.

  243. @Sean

    “In other words, the cleverest people will see through the pretense that they are supposed to tell the truth, and say what society will reward them for saying.”

    Just so. What Steve and most commenters here (the soi-disant cleverest; i.e., worldliest) plainly expect to be rewarded for saying is that Jews are brilliant, creative, and virtuous—and the evidence of history and one’s senses be damned.

    As Don Alfonso says in scene 1 of Così, “Lasciatemi un po’ ridere.”

    • LOL: utu
    • Replies: @Sean
  244. nebulafox says:
    @Morris Applebaum IV

    >For better or for worse, I’ve seen plenty of Jews pick 4s and 5s with giant brains when they could have married 9s+. Perhaps that’s true for many nerdy smart guys, see Bill Gates.

    Probably. I’m not Jewish, but if I have my choice with women, that’d be exactly who I go for. It helps that I’m not really physically attracted to conventional 9s and 10s. I don’t think I’m alone.

    With that being said, I don’t really stand much of an objective chance of ending up with one of those women: I’m a recovering addict, not a physicist or a wealthy coder at some mathematically inclined startup. I have a long, hard road ahead of me to learning and relearning all that I want to. By the time I’ve managed to actually do so and have something to show for it, if I ever do, they’ll all be married to smarter, more accomplished men than myself. It’s just a fact of life, no different from the dynamic with physical beauty. So, nothing to get angry about: I screwed up in life and I pay the price.

    I’ve learned to see the beauty of women who might not be the brightest bulbs in the drawer, but have hearts full of love and a great deal of internal fortitude to offer, and remind myself that for the overwhelming majority of history, wives and husbands were not expected to share personal interests.

  245. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    Saying that FDR did not go farther than Wilson is damning him with faint praise. Wilson at least had the excuse of a war – it was always understood that Constitutional norms could be temporarily overstepped in wartime but when the war was over things were supposed to go back to normal.

    • Replies: @newrouter
  246. Art Deco says:
    @Mycale

    This is the primary reason why they are so overrepresented in the media, academia, finance, etc.

    Yeah it has to be that. Great references from Hy.

  247. nebulafox says:

    I think Bedbug is betting on a dying horse: American born Jews are, on average, getting stupider and lazier, just like all the other whites. Intermarriage is furthermore diluting ethnic identity. Maybe these things are happening later to the Jews than they did to other European ethnic groups in the US, but they aren’t not happening at all.

    If anything, the new Jews are the South Asians: they have the verbal chops to pull that off, unlike the East Asians, along with the left-wing politics in their new country combining with more conservative mores when it comes to their own families.

    Rather than preening about this or that ethnic group’s achievements, we’d better took a good, hard look at pop culture and the mass dumbing down of the United States as a whole, before we get the neo-feudalism our elites so hanker after.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Anonymous
  248. @Steve Sailer

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gersonides

    https://www.maa.org/sites/default/files/images/upload_library/46/NCTM/mt2000-11-659a.pdf

    You may also be underrating the extent to which Christendom itself was already Hebraic, if not Jewish, in contrast to say Rome or China due to the scriptures which instructed the people in how best to live.

    • Replies: @Stephen Dodge
  249. Anon[370] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Earlier this year, Red Hat (in Raleigh) was acquired by IBM for $34 billion.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    , @Dave Pinsen
  250. @nebulafox

    Find a professional woman from a good family who needs someone to do for her what good wives have done for great men throughout history. You’re perfectly qualified.

    • Troll: nebulafox
    • Replies: @Desiderius
  251. @Anonymous

    ‘…Jewish men consider female IQ be as important as White men consider female facial beauty to be important.’

    My understanding is that this takes second place to the prime directive: avoiding Jewish women.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @SFG
  252. @J.Ross

    Dude, there are crazy people in each population, it’s just that some populations (like blacks) have more crazy people than others.

  253. @Bardon Kaldian

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
  254. newrouter says:
    @Jack D

    > it was always understood that Constitutional norms could be temporarily overstepped in wartime but when the war was over things were supposed to go back to normal.<

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_to_normalcy

  255. @Desiderius

    Uh, that’s what I did. Happier than I’ve ever been and loving my twin boys.

    Need to get your head right man.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  256. @Redneck farmer

    It is only white Christians who stand up for their groups who get labeled as BadThinkers.

  257. Alden says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Smart Jewish men married Jewish women with large dowries, which is why they are about the worst looking European Whites. You can’t believe the ugly ugly ugly Jewish medical law and MBA students my Jewish girl friends pursued in college.

    It’s like they were blind.

  258. Uncle Dan says:

    Keep in mind, however, that Ashkenazi Jews didn’t contribute much to European culture before the Jewish Enlightenment, which lagged about 75 years behind The Enlightenment.

    Wasn’t there some guy named Jesus who had a noticeable impact on European culture?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  259. Anonymous[232] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I’m guessing there were Jewish mapmakers in the Age of Exploration and Jewish businessmen who perhaps brought more advanced mercantile techniques to Amsterdam.

    That was Werner Sombart’s argument in The Jews and Modern Capitalism. He argues that Jews were very influential in the development of modern capitalism in that period. Sombart is not well known today but he was one of the most prominent European social scientists in the early 20th century, similar in stature to Max Weber, who of course most educated people have heard of and is still studied today in universities, particularly his work on the development of capitalism and Protestantism. Weber and Sombart were born a year apart and were colleagues, part of the “Weber circle” of intellectuals and the broader German Historical School of economics and social science. It’s a shame only Weber is really studied on this topic today. Sombart’s work in addition to Weber’s would provide a broader and more balanced view, and alternative hypotheses.

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/14687950122232558

    The life and work of Werner Sombart poses an intellectual puzzle in the genealogy of modern social theorists. During his lifetime, Sombart was probably the most influential and prominent social scientist in Germany as well as in many other countries. Today he is among the least known social scientists. Why did he lose his status as one of the most brilliant and influential scholars and intellectuals of the 20th century? Why is his work almost forgotten today? While Weber’s thesis about the influence of Protestantism on the development of capitalism is widely known, even beyond sociological circles, few sociologists today know that Sombart had an alternative explanation. An obvious explanation for Sombart’s fall from grace is his embrace of Nazism. As Heidegger provides a counter-example, Sombart’s fate requires a more complex explanation. In addition, we explore the different reception of his work in economic and sociological circles as compared to cultural theory and history.

    • Replies: @Achilles Wannabe
  260. Fox says:
    @Steve Sailer

    As far as I know, only certain institutions may nominate individuals for the Nobel Prize, hence the accumulation or scarcity amongst certain countries and ethnicities might well be accounted for by aimed recognition. German institutions lost the right to nominate after the war (I don’t know when it was later given the institutions in the FRG), but it is one reason for the scarcity of German winners of the Nobel Prize after the War. Now, of course, German science is not German anymore, it is some sort of muddled bastard of copying especially the American way and making an effort not to do German science anymore -the refusal to use German in science even in German institutons is enough evidence for that-, with a steep decline in creative approaches to understanding nature. It is also signally strange that Russian (and Soviet) science is and was completely ignored, a fact which might well be related to the lack of representation in the Nobel nomination councils.
    Nobel Prizes in natural sciences are political, even if not as much as those for literature or the embarrassing charade of the “peace” prize.

  261. Hhsiii says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Checkpoint has a market cap of $17 billion. That’s Israeli. One to keep an eye on is CYBR.

    In Research Triangle RHAT closed its merger with IBM this summer, which valued Red Hat at $34 billion.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
  262. @BB753

    It’s fathers with fewer sons.

    • Replies: @BB753
  263. Hhsiii says:
    @Hhsiii

    Also, QRVO has a market cap of $14 billion but isn’t in the Research Triangle but in Greensboro. Formed by a merger of RF Micro Devices and Oregon-based Tri-Quint.

  264. Alden says:
    @Desiderius

    That was the common practice in Europe till the mid 1800s. Happened to everyone from Talleyrand to Jane Austen. It was more convenient for the wet nurses to have the little ones in their own homes than live in the homes of the employers . Also kept the diapers and mess out of the real parents house.

    Not just daycare, but paid foster care. Seems unusual now days but it was a universal practice in Europe for centuries.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  265. @Almost Missouri

    We know by now that IQ alone is inadequate as a criterion for desirability in both immigration systems & hiring into a business. Many of the so called “model minorities” touted by GOPe types have turned out to be ungrateful anti-White subversives. Just as you’d be crazy to admit a Max Boot or Jennifer Rubin into your country, it makes no more sense to admit a Sarah Jeong, Fareed Zakaria or Jorge Ramos.
    The ideal combo is a mid-range to high IQ, plus gratitude to the host, noblesse oblige to the weakest in the host population, and an abiding desire to protect what made the host country attractive to begin with.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  266. Anonymous[372] • Disclaimer says:
    @Old NY Jew

    There may have been something to this. Matteo Ricci is only really known today for traveling to China and proselytizing, but if you read about what his intellectual abilities were like, he was obviously a genius. He could do things like remember Chinese characters and Chinese books verbatim after seeing them once.

    Another Jesuit, Athanasius Kircher, was known as the “last Renaissance man” and “the last man who knew everything”. He’s forgotten now, but was one of the most famous scholars and intellectual figures of his day in the 17th century.

    In England though, a lot of the scholars, learned men, professors and the like seem to have been Anglican clergymen who could and did get married and have kids. When you read about Cambridge and Oxford before the 20th century, a lot of the faculty seem to have been Anglican priests or deacons and married.

  267. @anonymous

    When you say that Jews have really high achievement motivation is this just a nice way of saying that they are greedier than others?

  268. Alden says:
    @Colin Wright

    Jewish men regard intelligent women or at least the semblance of intelligence and being well informed and participating in “ intellectual” discussions as a status symbol to have such a wife or girl friend.

    They are somewhat afraid of good looking women. Maybe because most good looking women aren’t jews?

  269. @Jack D

    And as irrelevant as you think Kristol is, he is 1,000 times more dangerous than the most dangerous carpenter or roofer.

    There. Fixed it for you.

  270. Dr. Evil says:
    @Ian Smith

    It’s like how if you breed dogs for only one trait, other things go to seed. Jews have high IQs, but also higher rates of mental illness, Tay Sachs, Gaucher’s, and so on.

    People are not overbred the same way dogs are.

    And would you rather see a human population suffer from “mental illness, Tay Sachs, Gaucher’s” or one that suffers from habitual violence, criminality, sadism, misogyny, and infantile behaviour instead?

    In this respect, the Jews (and East Asians) are doing alright, and are worthy of emulation by others – especially Whites. Tay Sachs, mental illness, autism, etc. are a small price to pay. Even smaller if you have a voluntary family-based support network. How many Jewish homeless people are there?

  271. Dr. Evil says:

    Perhaps more importantly, Jews LOVE LOVE LOVE their children NO MATTER WHAT. The only White ethnos that comes close are the Mormons.

    Any race that abuses and abandons its children (whether from being unwanted/burdensome, or a misguided hypocritical desire to instill morality) deserves extinction.

    • Troll: Ian Smith
  272. Zpaladin says:

    I think the secret sauce is the pent up energies unleashed by mass atheism and secularization of the Jewish communities. As Steve said, before most intellectual energy went into commenting on the Talmud. That’s what the best and brightest did. Turns out, generations of highly abstract, highly contested argument can be applied pretty well to legal theory, philosophy, math, physics, economics, etc. In 1650s Budapest, the ZBrightest Jews would be arguing about the nature of the nephilim but in 1910 they argue about the nature of the atom. But this only works for a generation or two. With the loss of religion comes the loss of tribalism and identity. In 1950, you could reliably tell a Jew by their name. Today? Maybe. In 2060? Probably not.

  273. anon[415] • Disclaimer says:

    Is there anybody skeptical of all this IQ stuff who, unlike me, has actually read the material? I can’t be bothered, and couldn’t follow it if I tried… but it smells wrong, doesn’t it?

    I mean, we have this replication crisis, where it turns out that most scientific papers ain’t worth the paper they’re printed, right? And psychology was the worst offending field: the only sub-field of psychology whose studies weren’t disconfirmed by the replication crisis were the ones on intelligence, and I know this how? Because intelligence researchers tell me so, that is, the people who would’ve been embarrassed to have been wrong assure me that they weren’t.

    They also assure me that the two smartest races in the world are the ones who, if you had to guess, would be most likely to cheat on an IQ test – but that’s just one of life’s ironies, apparently, not cause for suspicion.

  274. @nebulafox

    You sound way too pessimistic. Guys who are nice and can hold a full time job (any full time job pretty much) can find a decent wife if they want to and are willing to put in the necessary effort.

  275. Ganderson says:
    @fnn

    I assumed he was Jewish, too. Swedish- Irish: just like me! Should I move to Hollywood?

  276. an affirmation of its own diverse identity.

    “Diverse identity” is an oxymoron. And Bret Stevens is just a plain moron.

  277. MEH 0910 says:

  278. JimDandy says:

    He’s right. They do think differently. They brazenly, vigorously, tirelessly help their own to the detriment of other groups, while, at the same time, they literally make a federal case out of any instance of the goyim trying to do the same. Didn’t Strauss say it basically came down to Chutzpah?

  279. anon[248] • Disclaimer says:

    20 percent of professors at the leading universities, 21 percent of high level civil servants, 40 percent of partners in the leading law firms in New York and Washington, 26% of the reporters, editors, and executives of the major print and broadcast media, 59 percent of the directors, writers, and producers of the fifty top-grossing motion pictures

    Sounds like Germany pre 1933. You know what happened next.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  280. @MEH 0910

    She’s starting a crusade to get Bret Stephens fired and yet she is a living breathing (embarrassing as hell) example of high-IQ Ashkenazi Jews even if she wants to identify mostly as black (and queer). She’s also a fine example of how intelligence is merely one of several important traits. If one of my (also half-Ashkenazi) daughters ended up like her, I’d be heartbroken.

  281. @Dr. Evil

    Right.

    Meanwhile, in standard Southern/Midwestern gentile families, you are expected to pay for your own college, work throughout high school and college, pay rent past 18 whether living at home or in an apartment (for a few friends it was 16!). Forget unpaid internships, fancy science/art camps or study abroad programs. Mom and Dad won’t pay for it even if they can afford it, thus you lose out on valuable networking opportunities.

    My parents are in the top 5-10 percent of income and still wouldn’t help pay for my grad school. They didn’t pay for undergrad either; I had a merit scholarship.

    I mean, I guess I appreciate that I had to “work hard” but I wasted a lot of valuable time getting to where I am. Others with similar qualifications didn’t have to bother with half of what I did.

  282. @Dumbo

    Agree. I’ve noticed a lot of Jewish artists/writers are actually masters at subverting/twisting already established forms, rather than creating new forms. I don’t really mean this in any negative sense; people should do what they’re good at. It’s just kind of silly to call those endless critiques, however well-done, some special ethnic “creativity.”

  283. Sean says:
    @TelfoedJohn

    By Jewishness being determined though the maternal line, or X-linked mental retardation and the relative rarity of both super intelligent and mentally subnormal women?

    COMPARED to male, female identical twins vary more on measures of social behaviour and verbal ability thanks to differential X-inactivation.

    Because men only have one X-chromosome they are affected greatly by what happens to be on the one they get from their mother (father gives their son only a Y-chromosome). Hence, there being quite a few more males than females with IQs above 140 is powerful evidence for the mother being particularly important for determining how intelligent a man is, especially in the area of social cognition and the related one of verbal ability.

  284. @MEH 0910

    ‘… On a side note: as a Black woman academic and writer, if I ever turned in something so poorly reasoned it would never be published…

    One hopes the author of that statement is simply grossly dishonest. The alternative is worse.

    • Agree: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @anon
  285. Moses says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Lol reminds me of Ben Stein’s quip: “Is Hollywood controlled by Jews? You bet it is! What of it?”

  286. Anonymous[671] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dr. Evil

    Jews invented homeschooling, and even now practice it more than any other ethnic group.

    Evidence please.

    • Replies: @Dr. Evil
  287. Anonymous[671] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dr. Evil

    I suspect, though, that if Jews hewed to Nordic standards of beauty, they would have died out centuries ago.

    Why?

    • Replies: @Stephen Dodge
    , @Dr. Evil
  288. Sean says:
    @Anon

    How much of Jewish success in 20th century mass media had to do with the combination of ethnic nepotism and the monopolistic nature of 20th cent. mass media?

    Why were they able to convince their readers and listeners, if not by a powerful faculty for interpretive persuasion. Freud was a great writer, perhaps the most skillful of his generation. Clement Greenberg’s essays became prescriptive of what was to be seen as true art in his era.

    A woman gets one of her two X chromosomes from each of her parents. Unlike the one she gets from her mother, the X from her father is handed down to her almost exactly as he had it.

    Lou Walters was an American booking agent, theatrical producer and the founder of the famed Latin Quarter nightclub in New York. His daughter Barbara Walters became a famous television journalist

    Tina Brown was editor-in-chief of Tatler and Vanity Fair at 25 and 30 years old respectively. Her father was a film producer.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Anonymous
  289. @Steve Sailer

    Armenians in Armenia have average IQ 77 but probably half of Armenians live in Russia.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    , @Art Deco
  290. JohnnyD says:

    Ironically, Bret Stephens is not a very good example of Jewish intelligence.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  291. Anon[137] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    That’s not a counterpoint.

    First, LOTB didn’t want to work in law. His primary complaint was the nature of the grind itself in the field, for lawyers that were not recognized as rainmakers or all-star litigators, rather than his ability to get what? Hired into a White Shoe firm?

    Nepotism exists in law, but law is also performance oriented and therefore if one performs then one can generally land where they want to be. With a few niche exceptions that Jews tend to dominate (due to location and social network requirements that Jews exert some control over). Either Lion didn’t graduate well enough or he didn’t want to work in law. My impression, given his writing, is that those two situations dovetailed for Lion.

    Law has a performance aspect to it, as opposed to fields that either do not or otherwise lend themselves to mastery through simple training, exploitation of an actively insular social network, and / or experience and in spite of a lack of exceptional intelligence: such as the Jewish dominated professions in entertainment, certain areas of law (entertainment law and then political appointments to judge positions including the Supreme Court), diamond trading, jewelry, shipping, the garment industry, many professional organizations (extending to their influence in academia) and unions, almost all institutional media, and much of finance.

    Second, a nepotistic advantage for every minimally qualified individual within a group would only be possible assuming low saturation, ie clear minority status, within the manipulated competitive field. For Jews, law is not that. It follows that nepotistic advantage will decrease in a field the more it becomes saturated with “family”. This is the primary mechanism behind your appeal to high intra-Jewish competition for any one field.

    Third, I don’t remember claiming that Jewish nepotism in Law was especially meaningful (apart from judge positions, which i suppose are a natural consequence of saturating law with one’s ethnic group). As I prior stated, law has somewhat of a self regulating aspect to it (until Judges act with ethnic interest to influence the playing field, I suppose). Its the broad effect of Jewish nepotism across a myriad of upper-middle class industries that begins to create an artificial class and power wall between the talented middle and upper classes.

    I’m well aware that not all Jews are advantaged. I know plenty of blue collar Jews. Not every Jew can be a film producer or a Goldman Sachs exec, but film production and the C Suite at Goldman Sachs sure as hell are completely dominated by Jews generation after generation. The reasons for that are not an alien talent nor IQ that non-Jews do not anywhere possess.

    • Replies: @GoRedWings!
  292. @SFG

    You don’t know any Oriental women, do you?

    • Replies: @SFG
  293. J.Ross says:
    @Sean

    Why were they able to convince their readers and listeners, if not by a powerful faculty for interpretive persuasion

    Or lying. It’s easy to lie to people when every mainstream newspaper agrees. And it’s easy for every mainstream newspaper to agree when the same extended family runs all of them.

  294. danand says:
    @J.Ross

    “Re lesser known Jewish accomplishers from the edge of the Renaissance, I do not foresee a good thwack to the Jewish Enlightenment component, but, recalling that Spinoza was by trade a lensman, the concentration of Jews in more precision-demanding detail-oriented professions probably played a faceless, stochastic, supporting role.”

    J, a good intellect combined with high genetic “predisposition” for myopia,

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3123157/

    could make close up/precision occupations a good fit.

    Group cohesiveness is typically a winning strategy, don’t know why there is such animus related to acknowledging this? Excerpt from report on tonight’s New York Synagogue attack by one of our knife wielding African Americans:

    An attack on one Jew, is an attack on all Jews,” wrote New York state Assemblyman Dov Hikind on Twitter. “We are in route to the scene to be there to stand with the community and to do whatever we can to be of assistance.”

    Bless the victims, to hell with the assailant.

    • Replies: @anon
  295. Anonymous[752] • Disclaimer says:
    @Glaivester

    The problem is that (a) enforcing eugenic breeding on black people is not really a feasible idea, and (b) this is not going to close the IQ gap in one generation.

    Why does the “IQ gap” need to be closed.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  296. @Anonymous

    For the same reason there are few Jewish alcoholics.

    A Swedish drunkard, living in Sweden, or a French or English drunkard, could father children and even raise them, a Jewish drunkard would have been taken out of the reproductive pool fairly quickly by the surrounding people. Hence the Ashkenazi gene for alcoholism has been winnowed out of the gene pool. Do the math.

    Criminology 101. Howard Stern could explain it – if you are a minority in a violent society – and most societies are violent – you have to be careful when you get drunk.

    This is also why Britons get upset when members of the royal family choose their spouses for reasons that are not in line with what is best for the country. It is fine when one prince in line for the throne marries a silly woman because she is hot but not really all that gifted with other virtues, it is not so good when that goes on for a few generations.

    • Replies: @Pheasant
    , @Old Palo Altan
  297. Anonymous[752] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    Freud was a great writer, perhaps the most skillful of his generation.

    What was great about his writing?

    • Replies: @Anonymouse
  298. Anon[380] • Disclaimer says:
    @Shmendrix

    Jews traditionally taught their children to read starting at the age of 3, while surrounding populations remained largely illiterate. This was true whether they were living in Lithuania, Egypt, France, Syria, Spain or Yemen.

    There’s a term for that type of historical manipulation that I believe “gaslighting” doesn’t quite cover. Steve may have recently used it. The MSM uses it quite a bit.

    Its funny that these super-literate Jews, in comparison with the lowly illiterate gentiles who invented, built, and advanced almost all of the civilizational structure around the Jewish super-geniuses, still felt it advantageous to live among the gentiles who apparently couldn’t write their own names. To read Jews like yourself tell it. Perfect calculus.

    Did you attend the Bedbug School of Jewish PR with Bret?

    How far in the past works best for framing gaslight-narrative, in terms of plausibility?

    Whatever your opinion is, I’d add another 1000 years or so onto it. Pre-history might be the best window to use.

  299. Anon[209] • Disclaimer says:

    I think most would agree that Jews are highly intelligent and particularly skillful in verbal domains and persuasion.

    The question is how much of Jewish success in 20th century mass media had to do the monopolistic nature of 20th cent. mass media, rather than simply Jewish verbal IQ and ability? With the internet and social media, there’s no longer a monopolistic mass media with just a handful of outlets and media figures dominating content and distribution. A lot of people now no longer read the major newspapers or watch the major broadcast or cable channels. In this more competitive media environment, a lot of people are paying attention to media personalities and content that is quite different or even diametrically opposed to the content that dominated the mainstream 20th cent. mass media or the mainstream legacy media today. That’s why Leftists have been freaking out and trying to censor social media, Youtube, the internet in general. Because there’s no longer a media monopoly, and people are paying attention to alternative or dissident content.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Art Deco
  300. @Desiderius

    That being said, very very few of the great writers of Christendom could read Hebrew. Shakespeare , Dante, and Cervantes probably could not, although much of their genius involved riffing on the wonderful translations from Hebrew that were almost brand new when Shakespeare and Cervantes were young (Dante relied on the translation by Jerome into Latin which was hundreds of years old when he was young). Milton could read Hebrew almost as a native language, Newton could read it too (yes he is considered a mathematician but his prose style is actually top notch), Blake maybe could, Newman (according to Joyce, the best prose stylist of the 19th century) could, Tolkien (but not Lewis or Eddison) could, and the list goes on, but is is not a long list compared to the very very long list of Christian poets who could read Latin as easily as their native language, and the not so long, but very long list of Christian poets who could read Homer, feet on the fender.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  301. Dr. Evil says:
    @Anonymous

    @Dr. Evil

    Jews invented homeschooling, and even now practice it more than any other ethnic group.

    Evidence please.

    It would help if you included my whole text:

    Jews invented homeschooling, and even now practice it more than any other ethnic group. They just don’t call it homeschooling; that term they reserve for dirty unsocialized inbred Christian redneck hicks.

    I didn’t mean modern, Holtian homeschooling; although Jews probably do engage in it regularly.

    What I meant that Jews, even the poorest Jews, through the centuries, educated their children non-coercively. No other nation did. Even the modern Jewish day school is closer to homeschooling than to any Goyish private school. The hallmarks are flexibility and informality without brutal discipline.

    Even John Holt, John Gatto, and A.S. Neill were inspired by Jewish educational practices enough to emulate them.

    Of course, Jews and leftoids are notorious for forcing public school on others.

  302. Dr. Evil says:
    @Anonymous

    @Dr. Evil

    I suspect, though, that if Jews hewed to Nordic standards of beauty, they would have died out centuries ago.

    Why?

    Because Jews are Mediterranean not Nordic. There are some Jews with Nordic features, but these are far from the majority. The Jews needed a trump card to compete in business, and survive as a race. It was brains, not beauty, not the even the Mediterranean beauty some of them did have.

  303. Anon[337] • Disclaimer says:

    There was a stabbing of five by machete at a Rabbi’s Hanukkah party in New York. When this news broke, an Emily G on Twitter said that this shows why Bret Stephens must be fired.

    Then police apprehended a guy in … Harlem.

    Now the Daily Mail (and only the Daily Mail, God bless ‘em) reports it was a black guy, with a machete (cultural appropriation?).

    Emily then segues into a theory of “stochastic anti-Semitism,” whereby crimespeak by anyone can butterfly-effect to cause completely random people to attack Jews. Since these people are utterly unpredictable perps who exhibit no violent tendencies in advance, shutting down discussion of unapproved topics in advance is necessary, so as not to provoke or trigger these latent terrorists. Who weirdly always seem to be black men and boys in New York City.

    But yeah, “stochastic”: very creative. I bet Emily G is a Jew with a high IQ.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  304. Pheasant says:
    @Stephen Dodge

    There are plenty of jewish drunkards. they are just excised from the Jewish community so as to not reflect badly on it. This mechanism i suspect holds true for many things such as drug/gambling addicts etc.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Hibernian
  305. Not Raul says:
    @ben tillman

    Go ability and IQ are correlated a lot more tightly. That’s why most of the best Go players are Jewish. Or is that Mahjong? Does anyone here know, or will we have to wait for the next #BedBugBret column to find out?

  306. Not Raul says:
    @Anon

    I think that you’re assuming that people in Harlem don’t read what #BedBugBret writes, which is totally racist. They know what’s good. They read every single word. There’s a reason why Condi Rice doesn’t take the A Train uptown.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  307. Dumbo says:
    @AnonymousUkr

    And the other half in Glendale, California.

  308. Dumbo says:
    @Desiderius

    “but it’s there to see in the sardonic irreverence and canny insight into human relations.”

    …so only Jews can do that??

    Also, as mentioned, he might have inherited the intelligence of the mother (even though if they were marranos they were likely Sephardim and not Askhenazi), but they were no longer religiously or culturally Jewish for generations. So basically you are saying that being Jewish is more a question of DNA than culture. And that it counts more than the non-Jewish side? Because, according to this information from Wikipedia, Montaigne was only 1/4 (25%) Jewish.

    His maternal grandfather, Pedro Lopez,[12] from Zaragoza, was from a wealthy Marrano (Sephardic Jewish) family that had converted to Catholicism.[13][14][15][16] His maternal grandmother, Honorette Dupuy, was from a Catholic family in Gascony, France.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  309. @MikeatMikedotMike

    I’m going to go ahead and not see it.

    I’m aggressively not-seeing all of Hollywood’s garbage.

  310. @Pheasant

    Among Northern Europeans, there are a lot of cases of people achieving prominence early in life and then becoming massive drunks: e.g., just about every great American writer between the Wars.

    https://listverse.com/2008/01/22/top-15-great-alcoholic-writers/

    Who are the notorious Jewish drunks? I am sure there are some famous Jewish drunks, but I can’t think of any off the top of my head.

  311. LondonBob says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Spinoza was a nobody, I studied early modern European history, Erasmus is important from that part of the world. Maybe in America Spinoza is absurdly elevated above his actual influence.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  312. LondonBob says:
    @Stogumber

    Spain had its golden era after the expulsion of the Jews and Muslims.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  313. LondonBob says:
    @istevefan

    Iraqi Jews are very high achievers. Saatchi brothers, Rueben brothers, Tchenghiz brothers, just off the top of my head. A few went Iraq, expelled to Iran and then expelled elsewhere.

    Freud is basically a cross between a quack doctor and perverted cult leader, that he had to be elevated to genius level is telling.

  314. @LondonBob

    Jeeves recommended that Bertie Wooster read Spinoza rather than Nietzsche.

  315. @Steve Sailer

    Michael Jackson* aka The Beer Hunter was, and remains, a famous drunk:

    But one glass of the Dublin stout and I would be transported from my desert island to a pub where the glistening black of the beer reflected the brass barrails, the polished mirrors and mahogany … Two glasses and I would begin to enjoy my own company, three, and I would find myself as entertaining as Joyce, Wilde or O’Casey.

    A truly enlightened man.

    *From Wiki: His father had Anglicised his Lithuanian Jewish surname Jakowitz to Jackson.

    • Replies: @Marty
  316. @Anonymous

    Very forceful prose. I recommend The Interpretation of Dreams. His concepts of repression, transference, dream censorship, wish fulfillment are confirmed by the evidence for them in the reader’s own remembered dreams. Dream of one’s father dying accompanied by feelings of deep grief? Wish fulfillment with the grief supplied free-of-charge by the censorship.

    • Replies: @Fox
  317. Art Deco says:
    @nebulafox

    American born Jews are, on average, getting stupider and lazier, just like all the other whites.

    Are annual working hours declining?

  318. I’ve got to hand it to Stephens for his forthrightness and audacity in taking up the taboo subject in his Times article. That the Times has published it may attest to the growing weight of evidence in the field of evolutionary psychology, and perhaps a growing acceptance of the common-sense idea that the brain is actually not exempt from the evident genetics-based physiological differences between groups resulting of different evolutionary histories (and that there’s no reason for alarm in this, no threat to values and principles of society in seeing the world as it is). There’s no stopping the vast (if minority) human migration out of the era of myth. Stephens certainly has taken a lot of flak for the article; his hall monitor colleague Jody Rosen, deploying the dull guilt/wrong by association canard, seems to me to make an apt illustration in the wake of the article of the error in presuming any close approximation of the general in the particular.

  319. @Steve Sailer

    Researching “famous jewish drunks” I came across this fascinating article Jews and Alcoholics Anonymous: Dispelling the myths that Jews aren’t alcoholics and that AA is only for Christians.

    Two interesting points; the first I was happy to see that the young former jewess converted to the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church all on account of alcoholism, and the second one for you:

    It may be convenient to adhere to the myth that Jews cannot be alcoholics, but this denial constitutes a serious dereliction of duty. To dispel this myth, one need only ask proprietors of country clubs, who just several decades ago shunned Jewish affairs because they could not make their profits on the sale of alcoholic beverages. These same facilities now welcome Jewish business because the drinking is more than adequate to turn a profit.

    The Mystery of the Country Clubs resolved! And it wasn’t due to anti-semitism, but just as Charlie don’t surf, Moshe don’t drink! (Well, apparently he at one stage didn’t but now does.)

  320. Art Deco says:
    @AnonymousUkr

    Armenians in Armenia have average IQ 77 but probably half of Armenians live in Russia.

    There are 2.8 million Armenians in Armenia, 1.1 million in Russia, and 470,000 in the United States. So, more like a quarter. FWIW, Richard Lynn estimated the median IQ in Armenia to be 94.

  321. Art Deco says:
    @Anon

    The question is how much of Jewish success in 20th century mass media had to do the monopolistic nature of 20th cent. mass media, rather than simply Jewish verbal IQ and ability?

    There were no monopolies except at the local level, and that was primarily a late 20th c phenomenon. Oligopoly is a common equilibrium market structure across a range of industries and motion picture production was no exception. Over the period running from about 1912 to about 1929, the production and distribution of motion pictures was sorted between nine commercial studios in Los Angeles. The entrepreneurs who built the Los Angeles film industry decamped to the west coast to get away from agents of the Motion Picture Patents Company, which was set up by Thomas Edison in an actual (failed) attempt at erecting a cartel; the New York studios were outcompeted and disappeared one-by-one. Six of the nine Los Angeles studios were founded by Jews and a seventh had a mixed ownership group, because those were the people who wanted to go into that business and figured out a formula for prospering in that business.

    As for broadcasting, there were and are masses of independent radio stations and the U.S. was atypical at the time for not having a state radio network. The duopoly in national broadcasting began to break down with the founding of Mutual in 1934.

  322. Anon[531] • Disclaimer says:

    I strongly recommend the book Deep Work for both a diagnosis of this issue (and one you’ll clearly agree with) and some answers. But the answers are more individual-level solutions for people who acknowledge there is a problem – they aren’t society wide.

  323. The common answer is that Jews are, or tend to be, smart. When it comes to Ashkenazi Jews, it’s true. “Ashkenazi Jews have the highest average I.Q. of any ethnic group for which there are reliable data,” noted one 2005 paper.

    If Stephens, or anyone else, wanted to challenge the idea that IQ is important for high intellectual achievement, why doesn’t he demonstrate that non-Ashkenazi Jews are just as inventive and successful? It’s all in the culture, right?

    They don’t because they can’t.

  324. Svevlad says:

    Aaand their advantage is crashing down as we speak

  325. Hibernian says:
    @Pheasant

    Success in the liquor trade depends on not getting high on your own supply. However, the by-the-drink segment of the retail liquor trade is dominated at least in urban areas by the Irish. Go figure.

  326. Hibernian says:
    @Not Raul

    There’s a reason why Condi Rice doesn’t take the A Train uptown.

    Because she can afford a limo.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  327. Anon 2 says:

    I’d like to dispel several misconceptions that always crop up whenever
    the JQ is discussed:

    1. By 1550, after the vast majority of Jews had been expelled from Western Europe
    (with the minor exception of the Netherlands), about 90% of the world’s Ashkenazi
    Jews ended up in the Polish-Lithuanian Republic, a vast decentralized country
    consisting (in modern terms) of central Poland, Lithuania, Belarus, and western
    Ukraine. They were barred from Russia proper until 1917. Most American Jews
    do not come from Germany, Austria or Russia. They come originally from
    Rzeczpospolita, i.e., the Polish-Lithuanian Res Publica. For example, most of
    the founders of the Hollywood movie studios came from this Polish-ruled territory;

    2. Unlike in Western Europe where the Jews were confined to ghettoes, in Poland
    the Jews were largely free to live wherever they liked and free to own land,
    but they refused. They also refused to serve in the military. Hence for centuries
    they had to be fed and defended, which was okay with the Polish kings who
    endowed them with enormous privileges. The latter, however, were deeply resented
    by the local population;

    3. It is often said that the Jews were in the service of the Polish magnates as
    tax collectors. That’s only part of the story. They also worked as artisans, merchants,
    peddlers, and tavern- and inn-keepers. In the latter roles they dispensed alcohol
    and provided entertainment for the visiting guests. In the second half of the
    19th century they started going into publishing (incl. pornography), gambling,
    and running bordellos. When they moved to the United States, they already
    had centuries of experience in providing entertainment, licit and illicit, and
    simply continued what they had done in the territories of the (former) Polish-
    Lithuanian Commonwealth.

  328. Dr. X says:
    @Gordo

    Such as interracial pornography???

  329. BB753 says:
    @Desiderius

    Yeah, lethal female special ops soldiers and diminutive female cops who can beat up three burly thugs and handcuff them in 2 minutes are also common tropes in current series.
    Not to mention scifi and superhero series, where women are stronger and smarter than anybody else, with or without superpowers.

  330. @LondonBob

    Spain had its golden era after the expulsion of the Jews and Muslims.

    Not exactly, the Conversos dominated Spanish society for more than a century after the expulsion. The final success of the Inquisition more or less coincided with the eclipse of Spain. In truth the variables (New World, Rise of Britain etc.) are too complicated to draw straight line conclusions.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  331. @Stephen Dodge

    That’s a longer list than I was aware of. Hebrew is a bear. And yet Arnold could refer to Hebraism in a familiar tone as if his typical reader understood it as a matter of course, and through the Old Testament and its evocative stories (narrative!) on which they were raised they did. In a different sense than one raised in the shtetl, but not simply an inferior sense.

    That sense has been largely forgotten in the intervening years. I and II Samuel had as much if not more influence on the Founders than Montesquieu or Locke.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  332. MBlanc46 says:
    @Anon 2

    Many considered Spinoza an atheist.

  333. Jack D says:
    @kaganovitch

    Not unlike the history of the USSR. At the beginning, Jewish Conversos make big contributions and the USSR achieves glory – defeats the Nazis, industrializes, get the atom bomb, etc. Then there is an Inquisition and they are purged and the country goes into decline. Getting rid of your smartest, most successful people because you are jealous of their success is never a good idea. The only thing worse than being exploited by the rich and smart is not having any rich and smart people around to exploit you.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  334. @SFG

    “That said, it’s noticeable how many Jewish guys are going Chinese–all the IQ, without the nagging!”

    Reminds me of the WSJ op-ed piece decades ago that argued (with a graph too!) that nagging was the great impetus to American productivity because it drove people from the house.

  335. Jack D says:
    @Desiderius

    The Yale coat of arms has a Hebrew inscription: אוּרִים וְתֻמִּים (Urim and Thummim), a reference to the oracular devices that the High Priest wore on his breastplate.

    One of the Bush ancestors was a professor of Hebrew at NYU in the early 19th century.

    As you say, their interest in Hebrew was from the Christian perspective and had nothing to do with contemporary Jews. If living Jews were extinct, they would have had the exact same interest.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Desiderius
  336. Art Deco says:

    Then there is an Inquisition and they are purged and the country goes into decline.

    When do you fancy this happened, and why do you fancy it happened all at once?

    The Maddison Project has published it’s estimates of production per capita in real terms in Tsarist and Soviet Russia. Annual rates of growth for certain timespans as follows:

    1913-17: -6.4%
    1917-21: -16.5%
    1921-29: +12.9%
    1929-34: +3.3%
    1934-39: +6.5%
    1939-46: -2.2%
    1946-53: +6.7%
    1953-64: +3.6%
    1964-84: +2.1%
    1984-91: -0.6%

    • Replies: @Jack D
  337. Jack D says:
    @Hibernian

    In Poland, inn/tavern keeping was a popular Jewish occupation. My parents used to tell an amusing story about a tavern keeper. It was the custom for the “regulars” to run a tab at the tavern. Farmers were cash poor until harvest time and then when the harvest came in they would settle the tabs that they had run up with various merchants. Anyway, one day the tavern keeper, who lived above the tavern, was awakened early by a patron who was eager to get an early start on his drinking and who was pounding on the door of the tavern. The annoyed tavern keeper shouted down to the drunk – “Keep knocking. I’m putting it on your tab anyway.”

    • Replies: @Peterike
    , @ScarletNumber
  338. @utu

    Add to the Einstein and Freud memes, those of Mahler and Spinoza. While both were brilliant, neither was the “non plus ultra” in his field, as has been so tiresomely pushed.

    Now, whenever I read of some rare genius being hailed, I always take the news with a large heap of kosher salt, knowing that just a little digging will often reveal that it’s cousin Abe, Uncle Morey, or Aunt Selma issuing the plaudits.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    , @Colin Wright
  339. Peterike says:
    @Jack D

    “ My parents used to tell an amusing story about a tavern keeper.”

    Hah ha! Yeah, Jewish exploitation of Christian farmers always give me a big old belly laugh too.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  340. res says:
    @J.Ross

    To be technical it’s not even nepotism because it’s not by blood

    The usual term is ethnic nepotism.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_nepotism

  341. @Anon

    It follows that advantage will decrease in a field the more it becomes saturated with “family”

    No, that does not follow. Quite to the contrary, especially from the perspective of someone in that field not benefitting from tribal nepotism.
    Nepotism means unfair preference for your own people when preference can be given, it doesn’t apply to explicitly competitive situations, nepotism and competition co-exist, you can prefer your talented cousin over equally qualified competitors and compete for clients with people from your “family”.

    • Replies: @Anon
  342. Marty says:
    @Pat Hannagan

    He describes Guinness Ale as simultaneously “dry” and “fruity.”

  343. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    1st of all, you’re assuming that these #’s are reliable. Most information in the USSR, even phone directories and street maps, was considered to be a state secret and was manipulated by the authorities for political purposes, so I wouldn’t trust these numbers to begin with.

    2nd, to the extent that you believe these numbers, you can see broad trends – obviously there are declines during wartime. In the early Soviet period there are rapid gains. Growth slows somewhat during the worldwide Depression, which affected even the USSR due to declines in export commodity prices. Growth picks up again immediately after WWII but post ’53 (the year of the Doctor’s Plot which marks the beginning of the permanent shift in Soviet attitude toward Jews ) growth rates decline and never recover again until the end of the Soviet Union.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  344. @Dumbo

    …so only Jews can do that??

    Logic, how does it work? Why just exclude the middle, when you can go whole hog?

    There is a difference between being Catholic for one or three generations and being one for ten or from the beginning. One would also expect certain traits and habits of mind to linger from the old to the new. Among them those I pointed out.

    As Jack has argued (as Arnold before him*) it is the exactly the earthiness, humor, and devotion to the practical/concrete of the Hebraic that serves as the perfect antidote to the Gnostic/Icarian flights of fancy to which Greco/Roman cum Western thought is prone. That is a big part of the value of Montaigne (and Shakespeare! and the Old Testament!). The madness of our erstwhile leaders can be traced directly to having abandoned that heritage, so-called Jews like Pinch foremost among them.

    * – Hebraic = right doing, Hellenic = right thinking

  345. @Jack D

    Marginalizing yourself and your people is unwise.

    Trade your narrow-minded pride for a broader and more robust version. The special sauce that allowed your people uniquely to survive incredible hardship that would have crushed any other is the same one that serves as a crucial element in the success of the foremost civilization on the planet over the last millenium.

  346. @Jack D

    Likewise, take your egregious, miserly bigotry against my people, our religion, our country, and our history and shove it up your ass.

    https://www.tourosynagogue.org/history-learning/gw-letter

    • Replies: @SFG
  347. Epictetus says:
    @Anon7

    Intelligence & Shrewdness without empathy. Seems like the perfect description of an intellectual parasite.

    Perhaps the tribulation befalling people of European ancestry serves as a means to cull out those with excessive gullibility and compassion traits.

  348. black sea says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I am sure there are some famous Jewish drunks, but I can’t think of any off the top of my head.

    The poet Delmore Schwarz.

    Saul Bellow wrote a novel, Humbolt’s Gift, based on Schwarz’s life.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  349. Anonymous[363] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyD

    Ironically, Bret Stephens is not a very good example of Jewish intelligence.

    Explain your reasoning behind your belief that Stephens isn’t intelligent.

    • Replies: @JohnnyD
  350. @Prosa123

    Greek diners are closing in significant numbers at least in part because the US-born children of the mostly elderly immigrant owners have little interest in that line of work, often because they’re in fields that pay more for less work.

    An example is Spero Dedes, who is a sportscaster for CBS. His parents owned a diner on Route 22 in Northern New Jersey for many years.

  351. MEH 0910 says:

  352. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    1st of all, you’re assuming that these #’s are reliable.

    You made a set of qualitative statements which masked implicit judgments about matters you can quantify. Now you tell me I should be inveterately skeptical of economic historians practiced at generating historical statistics. Because your ass-pulls are more reliable than what they do, or something-or-other. My head is spinning.

    you can see broad trends –

    But you see what you want to see. The periods running from 1921 to 1929 and from 1946 to 1953 were characterized by the end of destruction of physical and human capital and by the redeployment of human and physical capital from war to productive enterprise. Rapid growth is unremarkable in that setting. Now are you really telling me that trumped up charges against a two-digit population of physicians (charges later dropped) and ejecting Laverenti Beria and Lazar Kaganovich from consequential positions in government was so crippling to productive efficiency that it cut growth rates in half? A number of occidental countries had slower growth after 1970 than before 1970; do you fancy it was because of some pogrom no one knows about?

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  353. SFG says:
    @Colin Wright

    It’s not the ‘prime directive’. Lots of Jewish guys bite the bullet and do it for reasons both common (similar interests, grow up near each other) and tribal (continue the tribe).

    Lots of Jewish guys also don’t, and those are the ones you hear the complaining about. It’s about 50-50 last time I checked.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  354. SFG says:
    @Desiderius

    Chill out dude, Jack D may be a little too eager to defend his relatives (pretty normal human behavior) but from what I can tell he doesn’t hate the USA or its history.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @silviosilver
  355. SFG says:
    @Autochthon

    OK, less nagging.

    I’ve known a few, in both senses of the word.

  356. Fox says:
    @Anonymouse

    Writing about something that interests the reader, and perhaps a great many people, is not the same as writing well or being a good writer. From your reasoning I’d conclude that your interest in the subject manner seems to be the reason for thinking of Freud as a good writer. “Wish fulfillment” – do you mean the wish or one’s father’s death? That’s a thoroughly unhealthy and unlikely idea which I’d put in the realm a caricature reasoning, also to be seen with some of the ideas which have invaded the field of physics at the time of Freud’s writing.

  357. Element59 says:
    @Anonymous

    Judaism is an ethnocentric religion that positions its people as a chosen group which effectively isolated their gene pool in Europe for millennia. Christianity is a universalist and egalitarian religion, anyone can be accepted as a Christian just as much as the next. It’s foolish to believe that the highly ethnocentric religion put no behavioral or cognitive selection pressures on its people as they fiercely competed at the group level for resources, power, and cultural influence in an overwhelmingly gentile Christian society.

  358. @Stephen Dodge

    I think it likely that the “Duchess of Sussex” will be out of the royal family by this time next year. Her latest idea, to profit financially from her marriage to the half-brother of a future king by selling lines of clothing and who knows what else, will prove the final straw for everyone from the Queen on down.

    Will Harry sacrifice all, and head into oblivion with her? I certainly hope so.

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  359. @SFG

    He doesn’t need the White Knighting. Read the comment I was responding to. He’s blackwashing our history of welcoming Jews, specifically because of our religious heritage.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  360. Not Raul says:
    @Hibernian

    Condi ain’t takin nothin uptown. Everybody in Harlem knows that #BedBugBret proved that Iraq would have been a huge success if Condi hadn’t screwed it up.

  361. @SFG

    ‘…It’s about 50-50 last time I checked.’

    That’s my impression as well.

  362. @Glaivester

    ‘… The problem is that (a) enforcing eugenic breeding on black people is not really a feasible idea, and (b) this is not going to close the IQ gap in one generation. It is going to take centuries for something like this to have the type of impact you want.’

    Why would we want to?

    There’s nothing actually wrong with blacks being stupid — any more than there’s anything wrong with Labrador Retrievers being stupid.

    The problem comes when we attempt to act as if blacks aren’t stupid. Accept them for who they are, and treat them accordingly, and the problem goes away. My Labrador Retriever was great — but then, I never expected him to file the taxes.

  363. @Jack D

    You left out the amusing part.

    • LOL: Bumpkin
  364. @Old Palo Altan

    Ain’t going to happen. Uncle Andy with L’Affaire Epstein has already given the monarchy a good shaking, and if Liz-2 tries to send the Duchess of Sussex into exile, Markle will predictably yell “Rayciss!” and have all those new-fangled Londoners rioting in the streets.

    QE2 is too much the pragmatist: she’ll leave it to her heir to settle and privately pray for a peaceful death to come soon.

  365. @Art Deco

    ejecting Laverenti Beria and Lazar Kaganovich from consequential positions in government was so crippling to productive efficiency that it cut growth rates in half?

    Beria meh, but the loss of a Kaganovitch can be devastating!

  366. Mr. Anon says:
    @Art Deco

    Which power?

    Financial and governmental power, dips**t.

  367. @Kolya Krassotkin

    ‘… if Liz-2 tries to send the Duchess of Sussex into exile, Markle will predictably yell “Rayciss!” and have all those new-fangled Londoners rioting in the streets…’

    One can hope. But as you say, they probably won’t have the courage to try it.

  368. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @black sea

    Lou Reed studied under and had quite the obsession with Schwarz, who did not return the affection as I recall.

  369. @Kolya Krassotkin

    Which philosopher of his era was more important than Spinoza, and why? Descartes and Leibniz both made important contributions as mathematicians, but their philosophy was limited by their attempt to conform to their religion. Spinoza was the first philosopher of the Christian Era to start with no religious assumptions in explaining reality, and his view is essentially the default secular view of reality today.

  370. @Dave Pinsen

    Spinoza was crud and appropriately ignored until Jewish self-promoters started treating him like an intellectual rock star.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  371. JohnnyD says:
    @Anonymous

    The man has never written anything interesting or original. His columns are basically rants against groups he doesn’t like, such as Arabs or Trump supporters in flyover country.

  372. @SFG

    Chill out dude, Jack D may be a little too eager to defend his relatives (pretty normal human behavior) but from what I can tell he doesn’t hate the USA or its history.

    I agree. His anti-whitism lacks any hateful tinge.

  373. J.Ross says:
    @Jack D

    The smartest people in the early USSR were gentiles of the old aristocracy, who were exterminated by people like Trotsky, who still were not then the smartest people. After the purge of knuckle-dragging (but cut) murderers the USSR was still left with smartest people like Theremin and Sokolov. Jack here illustrates a fallacy the Soviet purgers were sensitive to: the Jews are monolithic whenever they want to be.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  374. Enough with the Freud, Marx and Einstein. 373 comments on Jewish genius and not one mention of Mel Brooks?

    • LOL: Hibernian
  375. Anon[118] • Disclaimer says:
    @GoRedWings!

    No, that does not follow. Quite to the contrary, especially from the perspective of someone in that field not benefitting from tribal nepotism.
    Nepotism means unfair preference for your own people when preference can be given, it doesn’t apply to explicitly competitive situations, nepotism and competition co-exist, you can prefer your talented cousin over equally qualified competitors and compete for clients with people from your “family”.

    Pinsen was referring to an example of supposed failure of intra-Jewish nepotism. That’s exactly what I was referring to, per my post. It follows.

  376. J.Ross says:
    @Uncle Dan

    That was a cultural dissident who bitterly fought (to the point of violence and death) with the same governing intelligentsia which would go on to constitute and define post-Temple Judaism, and all Talmudic Jews are required to denounce the guy.
    It does bear out the pattern “Jews bucking conformity and then marrying up with European culture => innovative success.”

  377. Jack D says:
    @Desiderius

    You’re completely misinterpreting what I was trying to say. I was just saying that the early American Christian interest in the Hebrew language was out of a desire to interpret (what was to them) Christian scriptures. As it happened, these same people were often well disposed toward living Jews as well. For example, Prof. George Bush advocated the restoration of the Holy Land as a homeland for the Jews:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Bush_(biblical_scholar)

    Since you won’t take SFG’s word for it, America is a great country, it has (almost) always been welcoming to the Jews and I wish it well.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  378. Jack D says:
    @Peterike

    “Exploitation” is the Communist word for providing a legal product or service that people freely demand and/or paying them a freely negotiated wage.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Pheasant
  379. @Kolya Krassotkin

    ‘… Now, whenever I read of some rare genius being hailed, I always take the news with a large heap of kosher salt, knowing that just a little digging will often reveal that it’s cousin Abe, Uncle Morey, or Aunt Selma issuing the plaudits.’

    There’s definitely some truth to this. I can think of several examples.

  380. jinks says:
    @Anonymouse

    Jews are people too, with the same characteristics that any average person of any race has.

    However, within groups of people whether families or ethic groups or races certain characteristics are more prominent or rarer than others.

    There are exceptions, but the exceptions aren’t the rule. Not all northern Europeans are clean, but as a rule they are in wide swaths of the population.

    Regarding Jewish people, are they more “clannish” than most other groups of people?
    It’s not in and of itself a bad thing, but if you believe that the world is more “hostile” than a large statistical percentage of other peoples, what does it do to your outlook of other people and situations?

  381. anon[220] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    One hopes the author of that statement is simply grossly dishonest. The alternative is worse.

    I just expended 60 seconds on her Twitter timeline. Everything is clear, now. Try it!

  382. anon[220] • Disclaimer says:
    @danand

    “An attack on one Jew, is an attack on all Jews,”

    Tribalism in one sentence.

  383. anon[283] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Japan has always been innovative. Its military entered WW2 with technical superiority over the Americans in many areas- torpedoes, fighter planes .. After the War, Japan rebuilt itself and its companies compete successfully in every field.

    Japanese and Chinese have similar IQs but vastly different cultures.The fact that there is little genetic difference between Japanese and Chinese but a vast difference in culture and accomplishment suggests mental differences that IQ tests don’t pick up

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
  384. Ho hum

    “…one can’t really understand how the world works without being cognizant of these data”.

    There is the telling sentence in this column. The data Steve is referring to is the stuff about the vast over representation of Jews in intellectual and artistic fields. Steve knows that given “how the world works” if he ever applies his race realism to Jews like he does to blacks and browns he may continue his scintillating analysis on places like Unz but he won’t be getting paid for it

    • Agree: Oscar Peterson
  385. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @black sea

    Wasn’t Lou Reed an acolyte of Schwarz?

  386. @silviosilver

    Jews were pretty late to come around to Spinoza. Gentiles like Hegel embraced him earlier.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  387. @Jack D

    I appreciate the gracious response. I stand by (most of) my interpretation. Here is what you said:

    As you say, their interest in Hebrew was from the Christian perspective and had nothing to do with contemporary Jews. If living Jews were extinct, they would have had the exact same interest.

    Your absolutism here is of a piece with your (and regrettably that of many of your fellow Jews to the left of Bibi) take on Trump, and cannot arise at all from the same source as your usually canny and dispassionate views on other people and their behavior. Of course contemporary Jews had a large influence – how could they not? From the obvious – shared scripture – to the subtle but profound:

    Both early (first 300 years) America and diaspora Jews alone among all civilized people featured an elite who could not afford to devalue the practical, the manual, the commercial, the concrete in the way elites in China, India, and Europe explicitly did, indeed defined themselves by so doing, thus guaranteeing their own demise sooner of later.

    Such habits of mind and affection, and the camaraderie among those few who share them, linger long past the changes we’ve both seen in our circumstances, especially among the observant and devout, and it is the height of foolishness to cast them lightly aside or imagine that they never existed in the first place.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  388. @Dave Pinsen

    Many, Jew and Gentile alike, including yours truly, never did.

    He was the first (of many) to fly into the Sun. Wings melted and he kept right on flapping.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  389. Jack D says:
    @Desiderius

    Christian scholars of the same period undertook the study of ancient Greek and also deciphered Egyptian hieroglyphics, Babylonian cuneiform, etc. This was a period when there was great interest in, and study of, the ancient world and its languages so I stand by my point that they would have studied Biblical Hebrew with or without any Jews in their midst.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  390. @Alden

    If it produced the likes of Montaigne, Talleyrand, and Austen we should encourage it among our own elites. Would that they were a tenth as savvy.

  391. Jack D says:
    @J.Ross

    I don’t know you how you can say they were the SMARTEST people. Certainly there were some smart people, such as Nabokov, Kolmogorov , etc. , among the Russian aristocracy, but, for example, many of the USSR’s most brilliant mathematicians, chess players, etc. were Jewish and not Russia aristocrats. Many if not most of Kolmogorov’s grad students who went on to be prominent mathematicians in their own right (Arnold, Gelfand, Sinai) were Jewish. Not all the smart Jews in Russia were NKVD thugs.

    The point is this – let’s say, I dunno, 1/4 or 1/3 of your smartest people are Jewish, not all of them. If you get rid of or marginalize this group, it’s not going to be helpful to your country. 100% of your smart people don’t have to be Jewish in order for your country to be damaged by expelling all the Jews. German academia has never really recovered fully.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    , @Fox
  392. @Jack D

    At the time when Arnold wrote the passage in that link the Prime Minister of his country was Jewish, not Babylonian, living in the 19th Century AD, not BC, and I’m talking about far more than scholars.

    You’re burying your head in the sand.

  393. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Desiderius

    He was the first (of many) to fly into the Sun. Wings melted and he kept right on flapping.

    What does that mean?

    • Replies: @Dr. Evil
    , @Desiderius
  394. @Hibernian

    Success in the liquor trade depends on not getting high on your own supply.

    The Sacklers were expert in this. Stay out of the stash, feed the gangsters (politicians), rake in the billions. Or was it trillions?

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  395. Dr. Evil says:
    @S. Anonyia

    Meanwhile, in standard Southern/Midwestern gentile families, you are expected to pay for your own college, work throughout high school and college, pay rent past 18 whether living at home or in an apartment (for a few friends it was 16!). Forget unpaid internships, fancy science/art camps or study abroad programs. Mom and Dad won’t pay for it even if they can afford it, thus you lose out on valuable networking opportunities.

    For a people constantly derided as “selfish”, the Jews sure love their children. Whether rich or poor, Jewish parents will make enormous sacrifices for their kids.

    Selfishness indeed!

    • Replies: @Pheasant
    , @Hibernian
  396. Dr. Evil says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    @Desiderius
    He was the first (of many) to fly into the Sun. Wings melted and he kept right on flapping.

    What does that mean?

    It means he had a hidden jetpack,and used that when his wings were gone.

  397. Dr. Evil says:

    My point stands that Jews love their children – not just by paying their educational bills, but also not getting drunk. Simple as that. Alcohol is liquid child abuse (and spouse abuse), especially for populations genetically unused to it (i.e. native Americans and northern Europeans).

  398. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @J.Ross

    Spinoza was excommunicated by the Jewish community of The Netherlands as a defensive measure, even though Spinoza himself took steps to avoid angering gentiles.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  399. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @J.Ross

    Spinoza had offers to teach, including at the University of Heidelberg, but he turned them down, saying something to the effect of “I don’t know how to teach philosophy without angering people”. Hence the lens grinding. Relatedly, his most influential and controversial work, The Ethics, was only published posthumously.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    , @black sea
  400. LondonBob says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2019/05/05/pariah-to-messiah-the-engineered-apotheosis-of-baruch-spinoza-part-1-of-3/

    Dutch expert on Spinoza, Hubertus G. Hubbeling, stated that Spinoza and his ideas on political philosophy were of little importance until long after the peak of the Enlightenment. He has pointed out that most contemporary works of political philosophy “pay hardly any attention to Spinoza.”[21] French philosopher Pierre Bayle (1647–1706) famously wrote in relation to Spinoza: “It is not true that his followers have been very numerous. Very few persons are suspected of adhering to his theory; and among those who are suspected of it, there are few who have studied it; and among the latter group, there are few who have understood it and have not been discouraged by the abstractions that are found in it.”

  401. Pheasant says:
    @Hibernian

    The retailing of liquor in taverns by Jews to serfs who had to purchase liqour no matter what in early modern Poland was the bread and butter of the Jewish community (which at that point had most of the Jews in the world). This has been memory holed because it makes them look bad.

    Jews have foud much more profitable niches since but for the most formative portion of the ashkenazi history they were liquor retailers. Indeed when the Czar ended the Jewish priveliges in the taverns vast numbers of the chose to emigrate to the west.

    Go figure.

  402. black sea says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Thanks for posting that quote.

    “The truth may set you free. But first, it’s going to piss you off.”
    — Something I overheard, said by an unknown person.

  403. Pheasant says:
    @Jack D

    ‘ a legal product or service that people freely demand’

    Look up the arenda system. Serfs were forced to buy booze at the tavern of the magnate operated by a Jew . They could throw it away if they wished but they HAD to purchse it.

    Jewish immigration to the west started when the Russian Czar ended these priveliges.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  404. Pheasant says:
    @Dr. Evil

    And in turn those children are famous for resenting thier parents. see almost any cultural product of America from the 1950s onwards e.g the novels of Phillip Roth.

  405. @Jack D

    The point is this – let’s say, I dunno, 1/4 or 1/3 of your smartest people are Jewish, not all of them. If you get rid of or marginalize this group, it’s not going to be helpful to your country. 100% of your smart people don’t have to be Jewish in order for your country to be damaged by expelling all the Jews. German academia has never really recovered fully.

    Smart people are more productive when they have other smart people off whom they can bounce ideas. Given that smart people are like other people in the sense that they, too, have personality conflicts with their peers, it’s good to have the maximum number of smart people around so they can find peers with whom they gel and can get ground-breaking work done.

  406. black sea says:

    I won’t pretend to know the secrets of Jewish genius, but I think somehow — at least in the case of Jewish male geniuses — Jewish mothers are involved.

  407. The storm of blacks attacking identifiable jews gives this jew furiously to think of armed Hasidic jews toting heat. Like a religious settlement in the West Bank. If Christians in White Settlement, Texas can handle the random armed nutcase by toting heat, so can American Hasidic jews.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  408. @Dave Pinsen

    What does that mean?

    Heh.

    One could ask the same of Spinoza, ad infinitum.

    He makes Tillich look like Sailer.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icarus

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  409. Jack D says:
    @Pheasant

    This is a highly distorted view. Part of the arenda system was that liquor was in effect a means of taxation of the serfs – at least you got something for your taxes. In pre-modern economies, monopolies and taxes on key commodities – liquor, salt, etc. were a common feature. (The modern state taxes EVERYTHING and laughs at such pitiful attempts at fund raising). Therefore, there were rules to prevent “tax cheating” – you couldn’t brew your own alcohol, you had to buy it only thru the system, you had a minimum quota that you had to buy, etc. If you weren’t buying your quota, it wasn’t because you were a teetotaler, it was probably because you were trying to cheat the system. The British had the same system in India for salt and they arrested Ghandi when he tried to make his own salt.

    Not all Jews ran taverns, and the tavern was a center of village life and not just a place where people came to get drunk. It was in effect the general store, the inn, the post office, etc.

    • Replies: @Pheasant
  410. Jack D says:
    @Anonymouse

    While it was amusing to see the number of armed congregants who immediately drew when then gunman started shooting, in fact he was taken down by members who were part of the church’s official security team. The NY stabbing took place at a home, not a synagogue. I don’t know what the Hasidim are doing but most non-Hasidic congregations nowadays have plainclothes security that is mixed in with the congregation so the results would be similar. The poor schmuck is always the uniformed security guard – his role is to draw fire so the plainclothesman can shoot the gunman in the back.

  411. @Jim Christian

    G_d loves the Sacklers (obviously). Surely he wouldn’t bless them with billions, doing evil and causing harm, would he? (/sarcasm)

  412. @Dr. Evil

    And you know that non-Jewish parents routinely get drunk and abuse their chidren, how?

    (Prejudice much?)

  413. “40 percent of American Nobel Prize Winners in science and economics, 20 percent of professors at the leading universities”

    My my, someone’s keeping score.

    100% of the educational institutions at which these distinctions were obtained were founded by Anglo-Saxons in America.

  414. Hibernian says:
    @Dr. Evil

    The notion that, in the Midwest, upper middle or even just plain middle class parents don’t subsidize college education for their kids, unless the family is Jewish, is nonsense on stilts. Some do, some don’t. In my case Mom and Dad, the taxpayers, and me, all contributed substantial amounts. This was common for many of my cohorts. The above is possibly based on Mr. Anonyia’s personal experience only. I’ll let a Southerner speak to the situation in the South.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  415. Anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ancient Mariner

    Ours tends to the spatial acuity lending to fantastic architecture and civilization.

    What is it about spatial acuity that fosters civilization?

  416. Anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @CrunchyButRealistCon

    We know by now that IQ alone is inadequate as a criterion for desirability in both immigration systems & hiring into a business.

    We do? Please explain.

  417. Jack D says:
    @Hibernian

    I suspect the degree of contribution correlates rather well with family income so to the extent that flyover state whites have less disposable income and savings than wealthy Jews along the coasts the degree of family help would also tend to vary.

    OTOH, some families, even if they have the $, may insist on having their kids be self reliant as a matter of principle and insist that the kids rely on loans or work for whatever part of college costs is not covered by financial aid. The OP may be right in that Jewish parents are more indulgent of their children in that regard even holding income levels constant but I have no proof that is true.

  418. Anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Spinoza was excommunicated by the Jewish community of The Netherlands as a defensive measure

    That’s only a theory, and one suspiciously in line with Jewish practice of deflecting responsibility onto Gentiles.

  419. Fox says:
    @Jack D

    German academia has never recovered from the murderous assault against it after May 8, 1945. Teachers and professors in any way connected to the National Socialists were not allowed to teach or do research anymore, their work was taken to Washington, London, Moscow, Paris, Melbourne, etc. German academia and science were flourishing well enough to have whole Allied divisions of hunters of academics and patents set upon Germany. In addition, Jews continued to work in Germany up to 1945. Spontaneously come to mind the phycicist Gans (semi-conductor research) and a one Katzenellenbogen (who seems to have relations in today’s America), but I can’t remember his profession, perhaps he was in medicine. This, and the more general consideration of how many Jews continued to live normal lives in Germany up to the end of the war, would be highly interesting topics of data collecting.
    The current dismal state of German science is a reflection of a complete re-education of German science into thinking like Americans, i.e., from a creative position of original thinking to that of unimaginative copyists.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @Jack D
  420. nebulafox says:
    @Fox

    >The current dismal state of German science is a reflection of a complete re-education of German science into thinking like Americans, i.e., from a creative position of original thinking to that of unimaginative copyists.

    Paradoxically, the Nazi regime had a lot to do with pushing Germany into modernity. The totalitarian system and its claim to everything within society cut off any possible retreat into the familiar contours of the authoritarian state that the Germans, with their conservative temperament, favored. It made mass politics a thing despite justifying itself in seemingly liberating Germans from politics, it eliminated regional distinctions in a way that would have been unthinkable prior to 1933, and it made the WWII generation in Germany that experienced their youth under the Nazis think empirically and socially in a way that was deeply uncommon with their elders. They focused on what was, and not what ought to be: this was a very sharp break with pre-1933 cultural traditions. And while Germany ultimately losing the war shaped the form of how the new thinking to take, the roots of the break with the past went back to the 1930s and Hitler.

    In some ways, this was a good thing. To quote Bertolt Brecht, the war generation in Germany no longer held conversations about trees. Without the same capability for total intellectual radicalism, this made another Hitler completely impossible: the Allies need not have worried. The new empiricism might have helped the economic boom. But the asocial rigor in the German thought process before the Nazis was also made what the education system what it was, and what ultimately produced more Nobel Prizes in science than the UK, the US, France, and the USSR combined. What was special, for better or for worse, was gone.

    So, like any big historical change, it isn’t black and white.

  421. nebulafox says:
    @Desiderius

    Yeah, I’m sorry about that, I thought you were trolling me.

  422. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Dave Pinsen

    If I were trying to make the Jewish nepotism case, I would claim that the New York Giants not firing GM Dave Gettleman was because the Jewish co-owners, the Tisch family, were defending him out of ethnic solidarity. Of course, the counterpoint to that is they did the same thing when they fired Coughlin and kept the then-current GM Jerry Reese for another two years.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  423. anon[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dr. Evil

    Alcohol is liquid child abuse (and spouse abuse), especially for populations genetically unused to it (i.e. native Americans and northern Europeans).

    Lol, which Northern Europeans are genetically unused to alcohol?
    The Germans? The Danes? The Swedes? The Norwegians?

    The Scots? The Irish?

    Lol! You trolling or just really dumb?

  424. nebulafox says:
    @S. Anonyia

    Funny how that works across different cultures. Asian parents will grind your nose until it is bleeding and raw from an academic perspective, but it’s not even questioned that they’ll pay college tuition if they have any way of doing so. The idea of allowing your kids to go into massive levels of debt right out the gate-unless there truly is no alternative-would be cultural anathema.

    >I mean, I guess I appreciate that I had to “work hard” but I wasted a lot of valuable time getting to where I am. Others with similar qualifications didn’t have to bother with half of what I did.

    Nah, that unambiguously sucks, let’s just be frank about it.

  425. @anon

    Yes, the difference would be a crazy communist government in China, and Steve’s point is that the Japanese had very few Nobels before 2000, because they did. Now since then they’ve won something like 16 or 18 just this century.

  426. Jack D says:
    @Fox

    In addition, Jews continued to work in Germany up to 1945. Spontaneously come to mind the phycicist Gans (semi-conductor research)

    You are deeply delusional. By 1945, most Jews in Germany existed only in the form of ashes. There were a handful of people of partial Jewish descent or married to Aryans who managed to avoid deportation and extermination – they were the rare exceptions rather than the rule.

    There was a Richard Gans who was at the University of Koenigsberg until 1935 when he was presumably dismissed by the Nazis. His timeline picks up again in 1947 where he has relocated to Argentina. I don’t know what his personal circumstances were like in the period 1935 to 1947 but I can almost guarantee that they were not pleasant.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    , @Fox
    , @res
  427. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Dave Pinsen

    Actually, that doesn’t work either, because reports are that it’s the Jewish co-owner Tisch who wants to fire Gettleman, and the Gentile co-owner Mara who wants to keep him.

  428. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Desiderius

    I’m of course familiar with the Icarus story. I just don’t see the connection to Spinoza, and you haven’t made it.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  429. Actually, that doesn’t work either, because reports are that it’s the Jewish co-owner Tisch who wants to fire Gettleman, and the Gentile co-owner Mara who wants to keep him.

    Ah, but Gettleman is a Messianic Jew, so it’s just Jesus nepotism at work. Tisch on the other hand is just trying to persecute the apostate so it all works out.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  430. Anonymous[255] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Sounds like Germany pre 1933. You know what happened next.

    That is why it is important to destroy the majority, or “host,” population group. Atomize them to prevent them from acting in concert. Degrade them culturally and genetically to lessen their capacity for action. Dilute their gene pool to further all of the above.

    Never Again.

  431. @Dave Pinsen

    As with all figurative language the reader makes of it what he will.

  432. nymom says:
    @B36

    Israeli also seems to do pretty well on irrigation and water technology as some of the water tech equipment they have created seems far ahead of most other places.

    I only know this because I recently had to research it for someone and Israeli equipment came out far ahead of everyone’s else except for pricing. It was also the most expensive…

  433. Hibernian says:
    @kaganovitch

    The rumor before the decision to fire Shurmur and keep Gettleman was made was that Mara wanted to keep both and Tisch wanted to fire both.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  434. @Jack D

    Maybe he was thinking of Otto Warburg.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  435. “If the statistics are right, the Jews constitute but one quarter of one percent of the human race. It suggests a nebulous puff of star dust lost in the blaze of the Milky Way. Properly, the Jew ought hardly to be heard of, but he is heard of, has always been heard of. He is as prominent on the planet as any other people, and his importance is extravagantly out of proportion to the smallness of his bulk.

    His contributions to the world’s list of great names in literature, science, art, music, finance, medicine and abstruse learning are also very out of proportion to the weakness of his numbers. He has made a marvelous fight in this world in all ages; and has done it with his hands tied behind him. He could be vain of himself and be excused for it. The Egyptians, the Babylonians and the Persians rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and passed away; the Greeks and Romans followed and made a vast noise, and they were gone; other people have sprung up and held their torch high for a time but it burned out, and they sit in twilight now, and have vanished.

    The Jew saw them all, survived them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmaties, of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert but aggressive mind. All things are mortal but the Jews; all other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality? ”

    – Mark Twain, September 1897 (Quoted in The National Jewish Post & Observer, June 6, 1984)

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @renfro
  436. @Hibernian

    The rumor before the decision to fire Shurmur and keep Gettleman was made was that Mara wanted to keep both and Tisch wanted to fire both.

    I have to say , I side with Tisch on that one. The last straw for me was Gettleman giving up draft picks to acquire Leonard Williams, a free agent at the end of the season, mid-season of a season already long doomed. Any time you get snookered trading with the Jets-one of the most dysfunctional franchises in the NFL- it’s time to retire.

  437. syonredux says:
    @Desiderius

    Of course Blake wasn’t Jewish. That’s my point. Don’t play dumb like some progtard.

    And my point is that he wasn’t Jewish.

    Those scholars teamed up with the best Western minds (including my namesake) to produce an explosion of new exegesis in both Greek and crucially Hebrew (which prior to that had been rare for centuries) that combined with the new Printing Press brought about a widespread rebirth of interest in the Old Testament.

    Revived interest in old work.Same thing happened with Pagan works.

    The Reformation (and as important Counter-Reformation) were of course the most obvious result, but the impact extended as far as Cromwell, the American Founding, and yes Blake, Milton, and far beyond.

    Yeah, and the big figures in the Reformation/Counter-Reformation (Luther, Calvin, etc) were not Jewish.

  438. Fox says:
    @Jack D

    The physicist Gans I have in mind was working on semi conductors. I couldn’t give you more information on him, including his first name. Read it several years ago. The time I am referring to is during the war, however.
    “Ashes”: You do know that repetition of a statement doesn’t constitute evidence for or proof of what is being stated?

    As I wrote previously, it would pay well in terms of knowledge to investigate the number of Jews of all degrees (according to the rabbinically informed Nuremberg Laws) who lived and worked in freedom both in Germany proper and the occupied territories during the war. With Gans, I was just citing one name that occurred to me from memory. Other Jews that come to mind are the chemist von Wartenberg (working privately) or the composer Klemperer (as private citizen in Erfurt, I believe) – keep in mind that I am only citing from memory; hence, a determined search would certainly come up with a formidable list of Jews living in Germany during the war, even if not able to have employment with sate institutions such as universities.
    With respect to the topic at hand I remember Goebbels’ intent to expel all Jews from Berlin in 1943, but their Aryan wives staged a public protest in numbers, causing Goebbels to relent, and the Jewish spouses remained in Berlin. The number of Jews concerned were several thousand. You’ll find the info, I am sure, and don’t forget that it was also printed in the 1980s in the ultra-pro Jewish weekly Die Zeit, with the usual leftist bafflement at something that mustn’t be true in light of leftist creeds and teachings, yet is.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Jack D
  439. Jack D says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Warburg was one of those special cases I mentioned – he had a Protestant mother and a father who had converted to Protestantism (from Judaism) and was himself was raised as a practicing Christian. Nevertheless, under the Nuremberg laws he was considered half Jewish and he was banned from teaching, but he was allowed to carry on his research. He was only “Jewish” by Nazi standards and nevertheless he probably would not have survived except that he had received the Iron Cross during WWI and for some reason was a personal favorite of Hitler and Goering. To the extent that there were any Jews alive in Germany at the end of the war (outside of the camp system) they were mostly “Jews” like Warburg. For every 1 like him there were 1, 000 (actual) German Jews who had fled or who did not survive. To take someone like Warburg as proof that the Jews of Germany were treated fine is twisted and sick.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    , @Anonymous
  440. @Desiderius

    Mark Twain spent 18 months in Vienna late in the 19th Century accompanying his daughter who was studying singing. She married a Jewish pianist who became the conductor of the Detroit Symphony.

    They are all buried in Elmira, New York. There were several cigar butts sitting on Twain’s tomb when I was there. Apparently it is a custom to sit on his tombstone and smoke a contemplative cigar and then leave the butt as a tribute.

  441. Nachum says:

    “You can’t really understand how the world works without being cognizant of these data.”

    Let’s not be coy. How does it work? A conscious conspiracy among smart Jews? (Because if it was anything else- an unconscious conspiracy, a non-exclusively Jewish conspiracy- it really doesn’t mean anything.) Please be honest about what you think.

  442. @Anonymous

    An obvious explanation for Sombart’s fall from grace is his embrace of Nazism

    Becoming a NATIONAL SOCIALIST certainly didn’t help Sombart reputation in Social Science.
    Neither did social science becoming the Jewish science after World War 11. I’ll bet you can get Ph.d in sociology today without ever hearing Sombart’s name. What really creamed him was linking Jews organically from the ancient get go to capitalism while Weber attributed it to early modern Puritanism, The Weber – Sombart debate can only be understood within the context of the Weimar Republic where Jews were being accused of being ruthless opportunistic money changers . If Sombart had not joined the National Socialists or even had emigrated from Germany after Hitler’s ascendancy. he would still not be known in academic circles today. The Sombart Thesis is at odds with the post World War 11 narrative about Jewish innocence although his book was not an indictment of Jews but rather a perceptive and factual analysis of Jewish history He was one of the last goy to try that

    • Replies: @Jack D
  443. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fox

    You’ll find the info, I am sure, and don’t forget that it was also printed in the 1980s in the ultra-pro Jewish weekly Die Zeit, with the usual leftist bafflement at something that mustn’t be true in light of leftist creeds and teachings, yet is.

    Similarly, the bafflement at the Germans—in the midst of war—sending Jews from Greece and Mediterranean islands all the way to Auschwitz to be killed.

    • Replies: @Fox
  444. @Jack D

    To take someone like Warburg as proof that the Jews of Germany were treated fine is twisted and sick.

    Oddly enough, Warburg looked completely Teutonic:

  445. @Steve Sailer

    Sports agent Leigh Steinberg

    At UC Berkeley, Steinberg was Steve Wozniak’s Resident Advisor. …

    Steinberg made an appearance in the film Jerry Maguire, and is often credited as the real life inspiration of the sports agents from that film. …

    Bankruptcy

    Steinberg describes his financial problems as having mounted since 2003, when he became involved with extensive litigation with Dunn and Assante (see above), escalating with his 2008 divorce settlement, and also exacerbated by problems with alcoholism. Steinberg was arrested for DUI in 1997 and again in 2007, and for public intoxication in 2008, all in Newport Beach, California. In December 2011, it was reported that a bench warrant had been issued against Steinberg after he failed to appear at a scheduled hearing, concerning an unpaid judgement of $1.4 million, by far the largest of several debts he owes; in fact the bench warrant was authorized by a judge but never issued. On January 11, 2012 Steinberg filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy protection. In 2012 a party thrown by friends celebrated 2 years of sober living without alcohol for Steinberg.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leigh_Steinberg

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  446. Anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox

    Intermarriage is furthermore diluting ethnic identity.

    The smartest Jews are either the product of mixed marriages or themselves marry out to American/European Gentiles.

  447. Eric135 says:

    Non-Jewish white males created most of civilization.

    They have been unsurpassed in art (Michelangelo and Da Vinci), music (Bach and Mozart), philosophy (Plato and Aristotle), literature (Shakespeare and Balzac), math (Euclid and Pascal), science (Newton and Darwin), invention (Edison and Tesla), exploration (Magellan and Marco Polo) and conquest (Alexander and Napoleon).

    As far as I’m concerned, that makes them by far the “smartest” group, IQ scores be damned.

    The proof, as they say, is in the pudding.

  448. Jack D says:
    @Fox

    The Klemperer you are thinking of was a professor of Romance languages. He was a cousin of the conductor (and of the Hogan’s Heroes guy). He kept diaries which have since been published detailing his humiliation under the Nazis. He, again, was a Protestant convert with a Christian wife – this allowed him to remain alive, but just barely. Her marriage to Klemperer allowed him to survive this period, as many intermarried Jews were able to. The couple lost their right to drive and had to sell their car, and their housekeeper had to resign due to the law against Jews employing Aryan women. Eventually the Klemperers were forced to put down their household cat, a tomcat named Muschel, because of a restriction as to Jews’ ownership of pets. Since his wife, Eva, was “Aryan”, Klemperer avoided deportation, often narrowly, but in 1940, he and his wife were rehoused under miserable conditions in a “Jews’ House” (Judenhaus) with other “mixed couples”. Here, and especially when he ventured out, or at factories where he was forced to work, he was routinely questioned, mistreated, and humiliated by the Gestapo, Hitler Youth members and Dresden citizens. Only because of his “Aryan” German wife the couple were able to procure food enough to subsist. In the diary, the much-feared Gestapo is seen carrying out daily, humiliating, and brutal house searches, delivering beatings, hurling insults, and robbing inhabitants of coveted foodstuffs and other household items. If the Nazis could not kill you, they could at least do everything to make your life as miserable as possible – maybe you’d kill yourself?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Klemperer

    So yes, there were a few Jews who lived in Germany throughout the war, if you call that living.

    • Replies: @Fox
    , @Old Palo Altan
  449. Jack D says:
    @Eric135

    Jews were largely isolated from the mainstream of Western society until the 19th century and do not loom large in the fields that you mention until then. However, since then they have had great accomplishments in all of the fields that you mention (even conquest) except maybe for exploration because by the time the Jews got in the game there was not much left to explore. However, Columbus probably had some conversos or crypto-Jews on board with him.

    • Replies: @Eric135
  450. Sean says:
    @Pierre de Craon

    An Italian Catholic priest who was 100% Jewish by birth wrote the catchy (and extremely filthy) lyrics to Mozart’s opera. Verbal abilities.

  451. Jack D says:
    @Achilles Wannabe

    Sombart wrote garbage when he bought into Nazism and well deserves the obscurity to which he has been consigned. Do you expect universities to assign readings like this:

    German socialism is accompanied by the Volksgeist (national spirit) which is not racial in the biological sense but metaphysical: “the German spirit in a Negro is quite as much within the realm of possibility as the Negro spirit in a German”. The antithesis of the German spirit is the Jewish spirit, which is not a matter of being born Jewish or believing in Judaism but is a capitalistic spirit. The English people possess the Jewish spirit and the “chief task” of the German people and National Socialism is to destroy the Jewish spirit.

    Then again, modern Lefties are also into destroying capitalism. National Socialism was, after all, a form of socialism so they are down with at least the socialist half of Nazi doctrine.

  452. Fox says:
    @Anonymous

    Just to make it clear, “yet is” is in reference to Goebbels backing down and cancellation of his order to deport the Jews from Berlin in 1943, as written up by the ZEIT (German leftist pro-Jewish weekly) in the article I remember reading a long time ago. The Jews remained in Berlin, and the Jack D’s of the world have one more conundrum to resolve, it’s all very confusing and even the longest-worded sermons cannot succeed in construing a convincing argument in favor of the current mandatory religion of Holocaustianity and its necessary complementary buttress of Evil Germanicity.
    If – and I mean if- Jews were brought from Greek islands to concentration camps, it would have been likely because of subversive activity. How many were concerned? In the camps they were to augment the workforce there, particularly Auschwitz had giant hydrogenation installations for fuel production (because of the big coal deposits in that region. Why, the Poles took them right over and are probably operating the plant to this day in some capacity.
    Such deportation meant certainly great hardships for those Jews concerned, but it is also noticed that the world has had never any problems with either ignoring or applauding the robbery, deportation and driving off at gunpoint of all people in Eastern Germany and the many settlements of Germans in Eastern Europe, simply for being German, and the Poles started with it just as soon as they were laying hold of the German provinces in 1919. The number is in total easily 20 million people.

    • Replies: @artichoke
  453. @Eric135

    What loving composer rivals Philip Glass today?

    • Replies: @Eric135
  454. Fox says:
    @Jack D

    Well, he Klemperer) lived in Germany during the war, even as a Jew, and could write, keep and publish his diaries after the war. Isn’t that good? I imagine that it wasn’t a time of great pleasure for Germans either to wait for the bombing raids to cause them hardships.
    The question is whether the hardships of an individual in a time of total war and hate propaganda at boiling point being produced by Germany’s enemies can prove anything but the misery of wartime. It can, namely the fact that Klemperer was a Jew living in wartime Germany. Why he should be visited frequently by the Gestapo goes beyond my understanding and warrants further inquiries; likewise, why they didn’t take his diaries, surely “subversive stuff” in their minds, wouldn’t you think so?
    Anne Frank’ and her family ended up in a camp because her father was hiding out in Amsterdam and not reporting for mandatory labor service. Had he not kept in hiding, he and his family would have remained in Amsterdam. In other words, it seems that deportations and arrests were linked to a reason other than just arbitrariness.
    There are lots of interesting topics to ponder.
    I just remember another Jew in Germany, Emil Maurice, Hitler’s driver and friend.

  455. Universities have been assigning Semophile Frankfurt School Marx Cult for at least 70 years. I think your up holding standards in Sombart case because you’re worried about what is good for the Jews. What Sombart is saying here about English capitalists as Judaized is just a restatement of his revision of the Weber thesis about English Puritans starting capitalism. You’re not arguing with it Your dismissively declaiming it Well that is a step in the right direction since unlike your Universities, you are being forced to actually acknowledge Sombart. Maybe in another 50 years we can go back to the Sombart= Weber era and do real social science instead of Jewish social science As for Sombart’s apparent race denialism that should make you happy because race effectively doesn’t exist in Jewish social science.

    Anyway this quote is an interesting take on Aryanism which is not strictly speaking Germanophile But this is the first time I have seen the Negro included in the Aryan matrix.
    .
    Where did you get this quote? Is it in German? Regrettably. I can’t read German

  456. @Jack D

    I’ve read that volume, and it describes a truly harrowing experience, nobly born. In fact, since I expect the same to be the fate of most of us here, if, obviously, for different reasons, I often remind myself of his steely resolve to survive and sternly tell myself that I will perform at least as well as he did, if need be.

    I recommend you all to read it, and to bring from it the same admiration, and the same resolve.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  457. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Nazis never treated Jews well , but despite the fact that a lot of Jews and many non-Jews were killed for no reason that they were personally guilty of, in Germany proper many Jews-not a majority but more than are popularly believed to have done so-survived the war okay. I met a couple of these in St. Louis in the seventies, many emigrated there after the war, as did some concentration camp survivors replete with tattoos, and as did some non-Jewish Germans, a few of which were former Nazis, that is, members of the NSDAP, and/or Luftwaffe, Wermacht, or Kriegsmarine vets. (I never met anyone who would admit to having been Waffen-SS.)

    A couple of decades later I did attend a couple of meetings of the St. Louis Local Unit of the National Alliance, arguably the closest thing to the NSDAP than extant in America or indeed anywhere on planet, but the only people over 60 there were US-side WWII veterans, no Germans.

    It should be mentioned that the Luftwaffe had some, but comparatively few Party members or enthusiasts and the U-boats had very, very few. In contrast to the Soviets, where any open nonenthusiasts of their Party were in poenal battalions, the Gulag, or shot.

  458. artichoke says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    Then it’s slander to call them “white supremacist” if they say they are not supreme. Language gets so twisted around on these topics.

  459. artichoke says:
    @Eric135

    Felix Mendelssohn. Christopher Columbus.

    • Replies: @Eric135
  460. artichoke says:
    @Fox

    Don’t forget the torture in the German camps, forcing people to desecrate the Sabbath (they didn’t know that it’s OK if it’s to save a life, or maybe they did and stopped just short at torture), etc.

    You can find many accounts from survivors at Yad Vashem.

    And who was selected in the General Government (eastern Europe) area to be shot in the back of the head and bodies dumped into big pits / mass graves? Large numbers of skulls there.

    • Replies: @Fox
  461. Eric135 says:
    @Jack D

    Jews were largely isolated from the mainstream of Western society until the 19th century…

    No they weren’t. If you count ancient Greece and Rome as part of Western society, Jews were not isolated. If you count Spain from the Muslim conquest in roughly 650 AD to 1492 AD, the Jews were not isolated. Jews followed William the Conqueror into England and stayed there until they were expelled by King Edward. Then they returned under Cromwell around 1657. At about the same time, Jews were feted in Poland by the Polish aristocracy.

    Indeed, throughout their sojourn in Europe, the Jews were a privileged class. As the “king’s possession”, they were allowed to lord it over the common people. So their very scant contribution to Western culture cannot be blamed on “being isolated from the mainstream of Western society.”

  462. Eric135 says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    What living composer rivals Philip Glass today?

    I find Glass interesting, but he is certainly no Bach or Mozart.

    Jews now dominate the fine arts as patrons, curators, collectors, dealers, critics, teachers, etc., and the fine arts have accordingly declined almost to the status of degenerate rubbish.

    Apart from Chagall, Jews never demonstrated any talent as artists (painters and sculptors), so the Jewish “art” we now see is either conceptual or highly politicized. In other words, throw some random junk on the museum floor, put a velvet rope around it, et voila — art!

    I won’t bother to go into such works of “genius” as a woman covering herself with her own menstrual fluid.

    If you attend the symphony, audiences that want to listen to Beethoven and Brahms will put up with some screeching cacophony called “contemporary music” in order to “support young artists,” but they will almost never like what they hear.

    It is true that audiences in Beethoven’s day were resistant to new music up to a point, but it never took more than 30 years for them to come to love that music. That has not been the case as Jews have come to dominate the arts. We’ve had over one hundred years of “modern art, modern music and modern literature,” and people still don’t like it. It only survives because universities teach it and promote it.

    I don’t want to be unfair to Jews, however. They are unsurpassed as pianists, violinists and conductors. That is where their true talent lies. Comedy is their other strong point, but they have wasted their talent and brought comedy to a low point by politicizing it.

    All in all, I see their influence as destructive. Not only do they impose bad art on us, they exclude those who are more talented than themselves.

    We will never know about the great artists, composers and writers that might have made a name for themselves if Jews did not dominate publishing, theater, the media, Hollywood, and the fine and popular arts in general.

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    , @Dave Pinsen
  463. Eric135 says:
    @artichoke

    Felix Mendelssohn. Christopher Columbus.

    You have two names. I have two hundred.

    Jews are a small group, so their minor contribution is to be expected. But it is minor.

    Honestly, I wouldn’t say a thing about this if Jews were not constantly bragging about how “brilliant” they are and claiming that their contribution to Western culture is indispensable.

    It is totally dispensable.

    And, by the way, Jews should try to understand that people eventually get tired of braggarts.

  464. @Eric135

    Apart from Chagall, Jews never demonstrated any talent as artists (painters and sculptors)

    Isaac Levitan was the top Russian landscape painter:

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  465. Jack D says:
    @Old Palo Altan

    You must have read a different book. Fox tells us that Klemperer had a grand old time.

  466. res says:
    @Jack D

    Not sure if this is a credible source, but it has more about Richard Gans between 1935 and 1947 and references a biography in German.
    Death-Rays as Life-Savers in the Third Reich
    http://www-library.desy.de/preparch/books/death-rays.pdf

    TLDR: Looks like he had a bumpy road but managed to keep working in Germany through the war.

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  467. Jack D says:
    @res

    Yes, he was like most of the other few German Jews who survived – he had an Aryan wife who afforded him some protection but nevertheless lost his job, was assigned to do manual labor for which he was ill suited and came THAT close to being deported “to the East”. I guess if your knowledge of Germany is that they killed every Jew that they could get their hands on, this comes as a revelation, but the truth is that only killed 90 or 95% of them, which makes them A-OK I guess.

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  468. Pheasant says:
    @Jack D

    I will take it then that you concede that your ancestors were not providing ‘a legal product or service that people freely demand’. Distorted indeed.

    Thank you for moving the goal posts.

    Anyway as the old saying went Poland was hell for the serfs, purgatory for the clergy, heaven for the nobles and paradise for the Jews.

    ‘Not all Jews ran taverns’ I did not say that all Jews ran taverns but almost all taverns were run by Jews and it was the mainstay of the largest Jewish community in Europe for at least five hundered years. Magnates would not run taverns, serfs were not allowed to run them and with the tiny exception of foreign nationalities it was Jews that were granted this privelige.

    Running a tavern is hardly the same as running a tobbacco monopoly given that anyone could do it. Indeed the ending of the Jewish privelige and allowing free and fair competition to Russians/Poles is probably why your family came to America in the first place.

    Even if what you were saying about forcing peasants to spend any excess wealth on alcohol addiction was true (it is not many premodern systems had payments of taxes in kind) what you are admitting is that you ancestors were tax-farmers. The problem with the arrenda system was twofold: Magnates considered work/administration beneath them and Jews were keen to accept the bargain of exploiting the commom peope. It became a self-propelling system and ultimately caused the collapse of Poland and its territory being absorbed by other countries.

    ‘Freely demanded’

    Lol.

  469. Pheasant says:
    @Jack D

    ‘was assigned to do manual labor for which he was ill suited’

    The horror!

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  470. @Pheasant

    ‘was assigned to do manual labor for which he was ill suited’

    The horror!

    Maybe you won’t mind if someone kidnaps you to serve in a menial occupation other than your own and kills all of your friends and kin. Perhaps, as agreeable a personality as you are, you won’t even press charges. But I suspect you’d be in an infinitesimal minority.

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  471. @Eric135

    No answer then.

    I suppose a possible answer to what living composer rivals Philip Glass would be Steve Reich, but he’s a Jew too.

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  472. Pheasant says:
    @Johann Ricke

    There are things worse.

    Tens of millions of people died in world war two.

    Get over yourself.

    Manual labour!

    Oh god no!

  473. Eric135 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Isaac Levitan was the top Russian landscape painter.

    Nice painting, but there’s nothing extraordinary about it in my opinion.

    As for the “top”, who decides that on an international basis other than Jewish critics? No one.

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  474. Eric135 says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    No answer then.

    I gave a very long and detailed answer, which you conveniently ignored.

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  475. @Eric135

    Is Paul Johnson Jewish? His 2003 book “Art: A New History” is where I first learned about Levitan, Repin, and a number of other Russian painters I hadn’t heard of before.

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  476. Eric135 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Paul Johnson is a philo-Semite (pro-Jew) in the Anglo-Saxon tradition. He’s a journalist. Guess who controls media in Britain (as in the U.S.)? Look at the painting again. The detail is crude. The perspective isn’t even right. I’ve seen better paintings by artists you’ve never heard of.

  477. Fox says:
    @artichoke

    Do you mean with “desecrating the Sabbath” work on Sunday? If so ordered, then for reasons of work, not a childish thumbing the nose at religious observances of Jews, as you are sporting as a belief.
    The Bolsheviks did do away with a lot of their enemies by a bullet to the head – as the well-documented case of the Katyn Forest massacre demonstrates. Is that what you had in mind? After all the Katyn massacre was ascribed to the Germans despite knowledge to the contrary.
    As for your allegations against Germans, I am aware of no documentation that is not open to question to bolster any claims of wanton murder. Anti-partisan warfare was ruthless, and since partisans seem to have been to a large degree Jews, there is the connection, but this would not have been an anti-Jewish measure, but rather a measure against terrorism launched from the shadows and in civilian clothes. (Reminder: The allies waged their carpet bombing attacks against cities – most of them German, but some French and Italian cities were severely hit also-in order to eradicate German resistance beginning at the baby level, so why is a directed (much more so than carpet bombing) anti-partisan warfare to this day the cause of Jewish near-apoplexies, while carpet bombing of cities with wholesale destruction and indiscriminate killing is the subject of satisfied commentary in some quarters? Perhaps you could help me understand the driving energy behind the foundations of the red-hot opinions on these matters).
    This is also a place to remind of the trial of Field Marshal von Manstein in which his English barrister Paget showed that the contention of the prosecution and its Jewish witnesses about a stated wholesale slaughter of the Jewish population in an Eastern Ukrainian city (maybe Mariupol, perhaps Simferopol – don’t remember the name and can’t locate Paget’s book at the moment) during the German occupation was entirely fabricated, the Jews were doing fine, had no memory of an assault.
    As long as it is not possible to research and openly discuss matters of the Jewish situation before and during the war I consider them merely as still-extant atrocity propaganda which was so abundantly produced in allied countries. Since even the evil tales stemming from the First War have not died out – despite official repudiations by the authors of the tales themselves, the English government-, it is not well to assume that the same tales re-purposed in the Second War, and disseminated with red-hot passions and a few billions a year, plus an entire world committed to remember them, enlarge upon them, to award propagandistic, artistic and political application of these tales, will be in a state to be discussed in a rational manner. Why, in some countries you’d go to prison for wondering publicly about the things which are required to believed by force of criminal law.
    Lastly, I believe that the large majority of German Jews survived the war, more than half emigrated until in 1941 the war made such emigration impossible – England and America blocked further Jewish emigration. It’s a fascinating subject, even only to realize how reality is being stood on its head in order to construe a certain conceit. A great number of Jews, when released from the camps, decided to continue their life in Germany; although it would be difficult to obtain numbers of older Jews in Germany, the attentive reader can quite often pick out little hints in the news to suggest that there must be a considerable number of these survivors of the war even now, and then there are now additionally the great number of “contingent Jews” which had been practically bought from the SU by the then-chancellor Kohl to be brought into Germany.

  478. renfro says:
    @Steve Sailer

    LOL…..80 % of Israeli start ups fail .
    Start ups are good con in several ways…..venture capital investors put up the money…if the starts up fails the budding inventors walk away scot free….the investors lose their money.

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  479. renfro says:
    @Desiderius

    Twain went back and forth on the Jews….according to how much complaint he got from the Jews and his publishers and otoh how much disappointment in him was expressed by fans and friends who didn’t like the Jews. He tried to navigate between the two by doing ‘pro and con ‘ articles on the Jews.

    https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/1898twain-jews.asp

    ”The Jew has his other side. He has some discreditable ways, though he has not a monopoly of them, because he cannot get entirely rid of vexatious Christian competition. We have seen that he seldom transgresses the laws against crimes of violence. Indeed, his dealings with courts are almost restricted to matters connected with commerce. He has a reputation for various small forms of cheating, and for practicing oppressive usury, and for burning himself out to get the insurance, and for arranging cunning contracts which leave him an exit but lock the other man in, and for smart evasions which find him safe and comfortable just within the strict letter of the law, when court and jury know very well that he has violated the spirit of it.

    ”In the cotton States, after the war, the simple and ignorant negroes made the crops for the white planter on shares. The Jew came down in force, set up shop on the plantation, supplied all the negro’s wants on credit, and at the end of the season was proprietor of the negro’s share of the present crop and of part of his share of the next one. Before long, the whites detested the Jew, and it is doubtful if the negro loved him.”

    ”The Jew is being legislated out of Russia. The reason is not concealed. The movement was instituted because the Christian peasant and villager stood no chance against his commercial abilities. He was always ready to lend money on a crop, and sell vodka and other necessaries of life on credit while the crop was growing. When settlement day came he owned the crop; and next year or year after he owned the farm, like Joseph.

    ”In estimating worldly values the Jew is not shallow, but deep. With precocious wisdom he found out in the morning of time that some men worship rank, some worship heroes, some worship power, some worship God, and that over these ideals they dispute and cannot unite – but that they all worship money; so he made it the end and aim of his life to get it.”

    Mark Twain: Concerning The Jews, Harper’s Magazine, March, 1898.

  480. Bumpkin says:
    @renfro

    I think you missed the sarcasm in his comment… “especially software apps that collect potentially embarrassing information about where you went or who you talked to,” ie spyware funded by Mossad.

    I talked to a VC once who told me that while there were some technically interesting startups coming out of Israel, you had to be careful, as there was a high rate of outright fraud too. He should know, as he suspected fraud by Elizabeth Holmes and Theranos years before she was exposed as one of the biggest con-women ever. Though to be fair, most real investors were skeptical of her claims, which is why she had to bring in so much dumb money, ie Murdoch and various heirs like the Waltons, and stocked her board with octogenarians that knew nothing about biotech, such as Kissinger, Mattis, Shultz and so on.

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  481. Ian Smith says:
    @Dr. Evil

    “My point stands that Jews love their children…”

    Then why the insistence on grotesque genitalia mutilation of their boys?

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-ultra-orthodox-jewish-babies-keep-getting-herpes

  482. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Eric135

    You didn’t answer my specific question about which living composer rivaled Philip Glass. Instead, you rambled about Bach, Marc Chagall, etc.

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  483. renfro says:
    @Bumpkin

    I think you missed the sarcasm in his comment

    No I didnt miss it…..I was only only adding info on start ups.

  484. Eric135 says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    There aren’t any living “serious music” composers worth talking about that are well known. That includes Glass.

    There have been some notable “popular music” composers doing movie music such as John Barry (the 007 movies with Sean Connery), Alfred Newman (“How the West Was Won”), and Henry Mancini (“The Pink Panther”).

    If you are talented and want to get a hearing nowadays, you have to write movie music, jazz, join a rock band, etc.

    I’m not familiar with current movies because most of them are trash and I don’t bother going to them. So I can’t say who is good now — if anybody. I did like the music in “Hairspray”.

    Are great symphonies still being written? Maybe. Are we going to find out about them? No, the Jews won’t allow that to happen. Not unless they’re written by a Jew. And they haven’t been.

    As I said, Glass (and Reich) are interesting. But they are not the equals of Jewish composers of the past (Mahler, Mendelssohn, Schoenberg, Kurt Weill) — much less non-Jewish composers like Bach, Mozart, Brahms and Chopin.

    I don’t worry about who is “the equal” of somebody who is second-rate. That’s for you to obsess about, not me.

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    , @Dave Pinsen
  485. @Eric135

    There aren’t any living “serious music” composers worth talking about that are well known. That includes Glass.

    There have been some notable “popular music” composers doing movie music…

    Glass has done movie soundtracks, and previous compositions of his have been used in movies (e.g., the Watchmen). But I don’t get how you could think something like Akhnaten isn’t worth talking about. I’ve been playing the hell out of this recently. There’s a use of rhythm you don’t hear in a lot of older classical music. The movie theater simulcast of the Met production of this was sold out, and people were paying $900 for good seats at the Met itself, for good reason.

  486. @Eric135

    There aren’t any living “serious music” composers worth talking about that are well known. That includes Glass.

    There have been some notable “popular music” composers doing movie music…

    Glass has done movie soundtracks, and previous compositions of his have been used in movies (e.g., the Watchmen). But I don’t get how you could think something like Akhnaten isn’t worth talking about. I’ve been playing the hell out of this recently. There’s a use of rhythm you don’t hear in a lot of older classical music. The movie theater simulcast of the Met production of this was sold out, and people were paying $900 for good seats at the Met itself, for good reason.

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  487. @Dave Pinsen

    What’s peak Philip Glass? Akhnanten? What would be a good starter for a listener? His music is pleasant to listen to, so it’s not painful to dive in anywhere, but what would be the best first listen?

    And who deserves more credit for inventing that style of music? Glass or Steve Reich?

    I get the impression that Glass is a huge workhorse — he famously had blue collar day jobs for the first 10 or 15 years of his composing career. Time Magazine art critic Robert Hughes once noticed that the guy installing his dishwasher was America’s most celebrated avant-garde composer.

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  488. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer

    I’m not knowledgeable enough about to say who deserves more credit for developing that style of music, and I haven’t listened to enough of Glass to say definitively what is peak stuff is, but I like the Act 1 of Akhnaten a lot, particularly the Prelude, the Coronation, and the Window of Appearances (that has the first appearance of the counter tenor, which sounds weird at first).

    I didn’t know about Glass’s blue collar day jobs, but I wonder if that influenced Jonathan Franzen. In his novel Freedom, there’s an indie rock star character who builds decks. I know Glass has been prolific though. I’d been vaguely aware of his existence for a few decades – I remember noting that he did the soundtrack for Hamburger Hill – but I hadn’t sought out his music until reading a Kim Stanley Robinson novel a few months ago, in which he mentioned this piece, Evening Song, from Act 3 of Satyagraha:

    Out of curiosity, I looked it up, and then found Akhnaten. So maybe Evening Song is a good starting point, though Satyagraha is unique in not having any brass or percussion, so it doesn’t have the same rhythmic elements as Akhnaten. I also like the use of original texts from ancient languages, but I guess credit for that goes to Glass’s collaborator/librettists.

    Incidentally, Andrey Zvyagintsev used parts of Akhnaten in his movie Leviathan, which I never saw, but came up on some 10-best lists for 2014 when I was looking for movies to watch.

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  489. @Dave Pinsen

    I liked the c. 1984 documentary “Koyaanisqatsi” with a Philip Glass soundtrack a lot back in the day. Since then, the various novelties in the movie have been borrowed a million times for corporate TV commercials, so it doesn’t have the impact it had 35 years ago.

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  490. @Steve Sailer

    Two of tracks from Koyaanisqatsi were used in the Watchmen movie from 2009.

  491. @Kolya Krassotkin

    As of January 8, 2020, it looks like I was right, and much more quickly than even I dared hope.

    Hurrah!

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