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From the New York Times opinion page:

The Case for Gay Reparation

Other countries are taking steps to atone for their shameful past treatment of L.G.B.T. people. The United States should too.

By Omar G. Encarnación
Mr. Encarnación is a professor of political studies.

June 14, 2019

I look forward to individuals documenting that they came from long lines of closeted gays forced by social pressure into reproducing against their will.

 
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  1. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    Reparation? Or Preparation H?

    • LOL: PaceLaw
    • Replies: @Olorin
    FPBP
  2. Oh, brother. The love that dared not speak it’s name will now not shut the bleep up, ever. This is never going to end.

    • LOL: donut
    • Replies: @Forbes
    Touché.

    Black women and their hair...and now gays..
    , @PaceLaw
    Or at least until every heterosexual on planet earth, including children, has had at least one same-sex encounter. Consent will not matter.
  3. But a large number of White Nationalists will be recipients, so it ironically helps this grievance group that can get any other sort of victimology pork.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    So much projection from one broken little man.
  4. This is getting out of hand.

    Frankly, I’m sick of constantly hearing about anal sodomites. As Pat Buchanan once said, “Homosexuality has gone from ‘The love that dare not speak its name’ to the love that won’t shut up…”

    • Replies: @Sextus Empiricus
    “Frankly, I’m sick of constantly hearing about anal sodomites.“

    I’m still partial to the term “buggery”. It seems to project the perfect combination of disgust and disdain.
    , @Icy Blast
    Joe Sobran said "I can see why homosexuality is a sin, but I can't see why it's a temptation." I might also add that it is not a form of sex, but a mockery thereof.
    , @Ragno
    Pat, the author of A REPUBLIC, NOT AN EMPIRE, should have followed that one up with AN EXIT, NOT AN ENTRANCE.
  5. THE CASE FOR GOY REPARATIONS.

    I think there is a typo there, you meant goy reparations from the Judaists, right?

    Because Judaists:

    Destroyed our countries with alien invasion.

    Destroyed our women and our culture through feminism, VAWA and race mongering.

    Destroyed our nations through middle eastern wars, WW2, communism, etc.

    Put people in jail for debating the holocaust, etc. etc. etc.

    • Replies: @Louis Renault
    You're doing it the hard way. Try this:

    Repatriation is reparation! Israel open your borders, they deserve to come home to their ancient homeland. Especially today, Tel Aviv pride day in Israel.
    https://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/Tel-Aviv-Pride-Parade-kicks-off-for-21st-time-with-theme-The-Struggle-Continues-592539
  6. “My ancestors were forced, FORCED, to become the B in LGBT! IT WAS AN ABOMINATION!”

    • Replies: @Disordered Deacon
    and now the gene runs in the family (?)...
    and you cannot help but give us all money...
    hmm maybe double because my daughter went lez in college one semester?
    oh and if my cousin was an altar boy, he has some stories to tell, double too? oh and we did see that pic of grandpa as a child wearing a very frilly dress... can we make a case, mr bureaucrat? oh yes, we are also mixed race... oh great! see you at your office in half hour!
  7. “Encarnación.”

    That’s the guy’s name.

    *facepalm*

    • Replies: @International Jew
    Can't beat that meat.
  8. The closets in which gays were kept need reparation.

    • LOL: AnotherDad
    • Replies: @Sextus Empiricus
    Reparation is to repair as prideful is to proud.
    , @Unclezip
    We should have nailed the doors shut while we had the chance.
  9. The very incarnation of the reductio ad absurdum.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    "Progressives" now are giving "stupid" a bad name.
  10. Gotta love the name. Thinking about changing mine to Resurrection Rick.

  11. Will the gays community be paying reparations to all the minors they have sexually abused, or are they not yet done with that?

    • Agree: Change that Matters
    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    Will the gays community be paying reparations to all the minors they have sexually abused, or are they not yet done with that?
     
    Even beyond costs like abuse and disease, homosexuals are a "cost" on any functioning society.

    They tend to be sub-standard on material production, and do not--even with taxation--bear their full share of reproducing the society. Most hetero males essentially "repay" the cost of their own upbringing by channelling large amounts of their own production into providing for their children. Homosexuals don't do this and generally are a net cost to society. Like criminals, just not nearly as damaging.

    That this is true, is why most successful societies could put restrictions on homosexuality with no ill effects. Suppressing a deadweight cost is goodness. If--in the future--a society could eliminate homosexuality through some medical intervention, or detect it in utero and abort all the homosexuals, it would slightly improve its efficiency and standard of living. Again not by a huge amount as with criminals--there just aren't a huge number of homos to begin with--but by probably something like a quarter of a percent. Maybe even a whole percent figuring in abuse, disease and just "drama".


    (Note women, in the net, also do not produce enough to cover their consumption, but they cover the costs of their consumption with child care and homemaking. The husband and wife combo is in the net productive, covers their consumption and reproduces society. Plus ... has a lot of fun with each other!)
    , @jill
    Bill Donohue, President of the Catholic League, refers to the gay molesters in the Catholic Church as the "homosexual nest".
  12. From the remake of “On the Waterfront”

    “I coulda bin a transgender…”

  13. Next we will need reparation for all women, for ten thousand years of patriarchy, toxic masculinity and mansplaining.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    We already have that. It's the modern world in the West.

    Never have women been so free and yet so unhappy.
  14. So, cash for “Gay for a Day?”

  15. The solution is simple.

    Give every Woke American their own normal sane white male slave.

    • LOL: ThreeCranes
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'The solution is simple.

    'Give every Woke American their own normal sane white male slave.'

    ? I was under the impression this had already happened.

    ...unless you mean I should have been getting paid for the crap I've put up with over the last forty years. Has somebody been doing me out of my salary?

    ...were we supposed to be getting paid all these years? Here I thought I was just obliged -- it was some kind of caste duty or something.
    , @Desiderius
    That would significantly reduce the number per capita they already enjoy.
  16. To be fair, he does detail some very specific cases, such as “President Dwight Eisenhower’s 1953 Executive Order 10450, which called for the expulsion of homosexuals from all levels of the federal government, contributed to the “Lavender Scare” — the hunting of homosexuals throughout the federal bureaucracy, from the post office to the military to the diplomatic corps.”

    I have no issue with the (quite small number of) individuals directly affect by such policies being compensated. As for the rest of the poofters, nothing. Of course, that’s not remotely what he’s looking for, he’s looking to get paid for the penumbra of pain created by “rampant homophobia”.

    Who wants to take bets on who launches their own version of “rear entry reparations” first, CA or NY?

    • Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is...
    Ike was right. How much piss in the punch bowl is too much?
    , @bored identity



    "...“Lavender Scare” — the hunting of homosexuals throughout the federal bureaucracy, from the post office to the military to the diplomatic corps.

    I have no issue with the (quite small number of) individuals directly affect by such policies being compensated. "

     

    Wrong on so many levels.

    'We Like (When) Ike Tells Dyke To Hike' was consensus in US 1950's intelligence/ military community.

    There are at least Cambridge Five reasons for that.


    Allow bored identity to remind your oleaginous outrage how, after the normal vetting. the normal job interview in the normal country for the normal diplomatic position used to normally last 25 seconds:

    " Dear Mister Everysingletimestein, your proclivity for random butt-edge-edging in public restrooms, truck stops, and/or bath houses does not make you the best candidate for the position of cultural attaché (wink,wink) in East Germany.

    Why don't you try to get a job in Hollywood instead?"



    Of course, those stupid, bigoted rules do not apply anymore in nowadays Weimerica.
  17. Insane clown world. Globohomo. If only those dead Union soldiers could see the world today. Those 18 year White Men dead on the beaches of Normandy… etc., etc., etc.

    • Agree: bruce county
  18. @Oleaginous Outrager
    To be fair, he does detail some very specific cases, such as "President Dwight Eisenhower’s 1953 Executive Order 10450, which called for the expulsion of homosexuals from all levels of the federal government, contributed to the “Lavender Scare” — the hunting of homosexuals throughout the federal bureaucracy, from the post office to the military to the diplomatic corps."

    I have no issue with the (quite small number of) individuals directly affect by such policies being compensated. As for the rest of the poofters, nothing. Of course, that's not remotely what he's looking for, he's looking to get paid for the penumbra of pain created by "rampant homophobia".

    Who wants to take bets on who launches their own version of "rear entry reparations" first, CA or NY?

    Ike was right. How much piss in the punch bowl is too much?

  19. How gay do you have to be, and how much money are we talking about here?

    “Yeah, all my grandparents on my mother’s side … steeped in gayness ….”

  20. I predict no one will take advantage of this.

  21. Oh shit, the blacks will have a fit when they see the reparation pot has to be shared. Good for gay blacks though.

    • LOL: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Sextus Empiricus
    “Good for gay blacks though.“

    Gay blacks should be asking regular blacks for reparations - that’s where they get the most trouble. Whites treat gay blacks like magical novelty dolls.
  22. That didn’t take long – it’s only been a few months since Tennessee Coats penned his magnum opus on reparations and all 20 of the Dem candidates started talking reparations, but we’re already seeing every other other minority try to get in on the action. Hopefully, the topic of reparations can become as ridiculous as that House resolution on Anti-Semitism that quickly ballooned all out of bounds.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Yeah, reparations for gays is that House resolution ballooning out of control--covering any and every observation of distinction, difference, discernment, or discriminating judgment.

    As gays campaign for reparations, then the tranny world won't be far behind...so to speak.

    How long before the short, and the ugly, join the bandwagon for their share of the forthcoming loot...
    , @Justvisiting
    If any of us can find a drop of Neanderthal Man blood we should demand reparations from everyone else--that was genocide and slaughter!
  23. In the US, whites are simply tax cattle whose only utility is funding infinite gibs for the Coalition of the Fringes.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  24. @Buffalo Joe
    Oh shit, the blacks will have a fit when they see the reparation pot has to be shared. Good for gay blacks though.

    “Good for gay blacks though.“

    Gay blacks should be asking regular blacks for reparations – that’s where they get the most trouble. Whites treat gay blacks like magical novelty dolls.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  25. What next, reparations for womyn for the centuries of oppression they suffered?

    The hostile Trump administration also refused to substitute the rainbow flag for the American flag at the Marine Corp War Memorial for the month of June.

  26. What about schizophrenic asexuals with dyslexia?

    (NB: anagrammatical… I have dyslexia = I have sex daily)

  27. @Daniel H
    Oh, brother. The love that dared not speak it's name will now not shut the bleep up, ever. This is never going to end.

    Touché.

    Black women and their hair…and now gays..

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    I think Sobran first usedthat Line.
  28. What if you only had your hammer, uh, serviced a few times? Does that count? And speaking of counting, do you get more cash if it was more than a few times? Because it might have been a few hundred. Some of the military guys are very skillful. Asking for a friend, of course.

  29. What if you’re gay and black? You get double reparations?

  30. The funny thing is that if you were a hustler, you got paid at the time. Will it now be “double dipping”?

    I can just imagine the catfights regarding apportionment. Where’s that popcorn.

  31. The gravy train is in the station. Be there or be square.

  32. We can’t afford to give substantial reparations to gays, but something symbolic would be a nice gesture. Maybe give each gay American a $3 bill?

  33. @utu
    The closets in which gays were kept need reparation.

    Reparation is to repair as prideful is to proud.

    • Replies: @utu
    Reparation - (archaic) the action of repairing something.
  34. How the so called Stonewall riot was reported, back in day (From the NY Daily News, which was a solid prole tabloid back then). I have no doubt that neither the modern gay nor his straight supporter will find this funny/humorous at all. Censorious prigs. But I think it hilarious.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Daniel H:

    This article is a prime example of the gum-chewing Daily News at its very best!

    In the interim what's truly sad/infuriating is how much the once conservative/reactionary Daily News has changed. Now it is a far, far leftist caricature of the leftist (only) New York Times.

    Evidence for this degeneration (literally and figuratively) is any recent DN front page, easily internet available.
    , @MBlanc46
    Thanks for that, DH. It’s a hoot.
    , @Paul
    The way Stonewall is now reported is a misrepresentation according to a reporter for the leftist Village Voice who happened to be by the place at the time of the riot and wrote about it. Stonewall was a mob joint that served alcohol to underage kids, and the police were there to shut it down. The homosexuals could go drink at some other bar, but the kids could not. Most of the rioters were kids upset that the place was being closed.
    , @Gunner
    Such a shame that this America is gone.
  35. @Daniel H
    Oh, brother. The love that dared not speak it's name will now not shut the bleep up, ever. This is never going to end.

    Or at least until every heterosexual on planet earth, including children, has had at least one same-sex encounter. Consent will not matter.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    Or at least until every heterosexual on planet earth, including children, has had at least one same-sex encounter. Consent will not matter.
     
    You laugh now, but making heterosexuality illegal is their ultimate plan. Then, they will pass laws and statues to ensure that you are having and enjoying the minimal number of approved homosexual and transsexual encounters per week for the rest of your life.
  36. @Jon
    That didn't take long - it's only been a few months since Tennessee Coats penned his magnum opus on reparations and all 20 of the Dem candidates started talking reparations, but we're already seeing every other other minority try to get in on the action. Hopefully, the topic of reparations can become as ridiculous as that House resolution on Anti-Semitism that quickly ballooned all out of bounds.

    Yeah, reparations for gays is that House resolution ballooning out of control–covering any and every observation of distinction, difference, discernment, or discriminating judgment.

    As gays campaign for reparations, then the tranny world won’t be far behind…so to speak.

    How long before the short, and the ugly, join the bandwagon for their share of the forthcoming loot…

  37. The hostile Trump administration also refused to substitute the rainbow flag for the American flag at the Marine Corp War Memorial for the month of June.

    The balls of Montezuma told the whores of Tripoli!

  38. The final market crash can’t come quick enough to end this inanity.

    • Replies: @adreadline
    We're almost there.
  39. @Rational
    THE CASE FOR GOY REPARATIONS.

    I think there is a typo there, you meant goy reparations from the Judaists, right?

    Because Judaists:

    Destroyed our countries with alien invasion.

    Destroyed our women and our culture through feminism, VAWA and race mongering.

    Destroyed our nations through middle eastern wars, WW2, communism, etc.

    Put people in jail for debating the holocaust, etc. etc. etc.

    You’re doing it the hard way. Try this:

    Repatriation is reparation! Israel open your borders, they deserve to come home to their ancient homeland. Especially today, Tel Aviv pride day in Israel.
    https://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/Tel-Aviv-Pride-Parade-kicks-off-for-21st-time-with-theme-The-Struggle-Continues-592539

    • Replies: @bomag

    one [float in the parade] is sponsored by the British Embassy
     
    And some say globo-homo is not a thing.
  40. @Bill Jones
    The solution is simple.

    Give every Woke American their own normal sane white male slave.

    ‘The solution is simple.

    ‘Give every Woke American their own normal sane white male slave.’

    ? I was under the impression this had already happened.

    …unless you mean I should have been getting paid for the crap I’ve put up with over the last forty years. Has somebody been doing me out of my salary?

    …were we supposed to be getting paid all these years? Here I thought I was just obliged — it was some kind of caste duty or something.

    • Replies: @tyrone
    We've been under-ground railroaded.
  41. By Omar G. Encarnación

    Omar G. Encarnación =

    A Roman carcinogen.
    Renaming a raccoon.
    Maraca groin-nonce.

    I, conman. Arrogance.
    Arcane moronic nag.
    Gonna corn America.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    Great set, Reg.
  42. a says:

    I find it highly problematic that in 2019 the New York Times believes a case needs to be made for gay reparations—it should be a given. Only the idea that gays do not deserve reparations should require argument, and those arguing that should be punished. Please delete your post. Thank you.

  43. @Old Palo Altan
    The very incarnation of the reductio ad absurdum.

    “Progressives” now are giving “stupid” a bad name.

  44. I’m putting money on a future NYT article making the reparations case for women who bore children because they couldn’t have an abortion.

  45. Gay reparations =

    A sanitary grope.
    Repaying a roast.
    Rape a signatory.

    Organise a party.

  46. @PaceLaw
    Or at least until every heterosexual on planet earth, including children, has had at least one same-sex encounter. Consent will not matter.

    Or at least until every heterosexual on planet earth, including children, has had at least one same-sex encounter. Consent will not matter.

    You laugh now, but making heterosexuality illegal is their ultimate plan. Then, they will pass laws and statues to ensure that you are having and enjoying the minimal number of approved homosexual and transsexual encounters per week for the rest of your life.

  47. @Mr. Blank
    "Encarnación."

    That's the guy's name.

    *facepalm*

    Can’t beat that meat.

  48. @Bill Jones
    The solution is simple.

    Give every Woke American their own normal sane white male slave.

    That would significantly reduce the number per capita they already enjoy.

    • Replies: @Philbert Desanex
    beautifully stated and regrettably true
  49. Who’s going to pay?

    If Julius Caesar was “every woman’s man and every man’s woman” and the shock troops of the Celts were queer as loaded dice, who’s left, so to speak, to pony up?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_militaries_of_ancient_Greece

    Perhaps there’s a case for straight reparations? In the wonderful New Orleans based “A Confederacy of Dunces” the idea of a homosexual military conspiracy is mooted. Maybe the Pentagon and its, er, sister organisations could make reparations to straight people?

  50. @Neuday
    Will the gays community be paying reparations to all the minors they have sexually abused, or are they not yet done with that?

    Will the gays community be paying reparations to all the minors they have sexually abused, or are they not yet done with that?

    Even beyond costs like abuse and disease, homosexuals are a “cost” on any functioning society.

    They tend to be sub-standard on material production, and do not–even with taxation–bear their full share of reproducing the society. Most hetero males essentially “repay” the cost of their own upbringing by channelling large amounts of their own production into providing for their children. Homosexuals don’t do this and generally are a net cost to society. Like criminals, just not nearly as damaging.

    That this is true, is why most successful societies could put restrictions on homosexuality with no ill effects. Suppressing a deadweight cost is goodness. If–in the future–a society could eliminate homosexuality through some medical intervention, or detect it in utero and abort all the homosexuals, it would slightly improve its efficiency and standard of living. Again not by a huge amount as with criminals–there just aren’t a huge number of homos to begin with–but by probably something like a quarter of a percent. Maybe even a whole percent figuring in abuse, disease and just “drama”.

    (Note women, in the net, also do not produce enough to cover their consumption, but they cover the costs of their consumption with child care and homemaking. The husband and wife combo is in the net productive, covers their consumption and reproduces society. Plus … has a lot of fun with each other!)

    • Agree: bruce county
    • Replies: @prime noticer
    i've also wondered what the net benefit of no homos in society would be. as you've pointed out, homos are a net negative mathematically on society, and there's very good reasons most humans over the last 5000 years were automatically, reflexively hostile to them. homos produce no long term net positive GDP, at minimum, and cause population growth to be slightly lower.

    i think you're underestimating their level of detriment, or stated another way, the upside of not having them around. since homos are about 4% of the population, things would improve at least 1% just from converting all homo births into hetero births via future medical/genetic intervention. it might even improve things 2%. population growth would go up slightly, and all the huge net negative STD propagation would be gone.

    they incur a pretty big cost with all the STDS - which they do nothing to research or develop treatments for. heteros have to do all the work to keep homos alive. but keep them alive, so they can continue spreading STDs? we've got some serious STDs now, resistant strains that almost no antibiotics can treat, thanks to homos. this gets worse over time, as the global population grows, and crosses continents. homos weren't able to do as much damage 100, 200 years ago as they can now with these communicable diseases and mutating strains.
    , @JackOH
    " . . . [T]here just aren’t a huge number of homos to begin with–but by probably something like a quarter of a percent."

    After our local Podunk Tech agreed to bankroll same-sex domestic partners' medical benefits about a decade ago, all of two people were enrolled, about .067% of the 3000 total enrollees. About the same time, the campus gay lobby, mostly the English and philosophy departments, was still promoting that 10% figure that I think has long been debunked.

    As with Black reparations, and as you suggest, deductions from this "reparations" case ought to be made: the costs of gay promiscuity, predatory gay behavior that doesn't rise to the level of criminality but is disruptive anyway, injury to traditional behaviors and religious and secular norms, even alienation of affection as gays and lesbians remove potential romantic partners from the hetero marketplace. There are probably cases of non-gays who've suffered injury because they were wrongly presumed to be gay--so how are they to be compensated?

    I'm okay with decent treatment of Blacks, gays, Martians, and what-all, but this looks like another undue enrichment racket.
  51. @Dr. X
    This is getting out of hand.

    Frankly, I'm sick of constantly hearing about anal sodomites. As Pat Buchanan once said, "Homosexuality has gone from 'The love that dare not speak its name' to the love that won't shut up..."

    “Frankly, I’m sick of constantly hearing about anal sodomites.“

    I’m still partial to the term “buggery”. It seems to project the perfect combination of disgust and disdain.

  52. Can I make him pay me reparations for having annoyed me with reparations talk?

  53. Didn’t Kinsey prove we’re all a little gay? I should get a couple hundred bucks for thinking Paul Newman was a good looking guy.

  54. @Daniel H
    How the so called Stonewall riot was reported, back in day (From the NY Daily News, which was a solid prole tabloid back then). I have no doubt that neither the modern gay nor his straight supporter will find this funny/humorous at all. Censorious prigs. But I think it hilarious.

    https://hiskind.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/ciqfmovwgaasxqa-jpg-large1.jpeg

    Daniel H:

    This article is a prime example of the gum-chewing Daily News at its very best!

    In the interim what’s truly sad/infuriating is how much the once conservative/reactionary Daily News has changed. Now it is a far, far leftist caricature of the leftist (only) New York Times.

    Evidence for this degeneration (literally and figuratively) is any recent DN front page, easily internet available.

  55. @Thinking Out Loud
    Next we will need reparation for all women, for ten thousand years of patriarchy, toxic masculinity and mansplaining.

    We already have that. It’s the modern world in the West.

    Never have women been so free and yet so unhappy.

    • Agree: bomag
  56. The pride people need their own nation instead of reparations. Same with the rest of the coalition of the fringes.

  57. @Dr. X
    This is getting out of hand.

    Frankly, I'm sick of constantly hearing about anal sodomites. As Pat Buchanan once said, "Homosexuality has gone from 'The love that dare not speak its name' to the love that won't shut up..."

    Joe Sobran said “I can see why homosexuality is a sin, but I can’t see why it’s a temptation.” I might also add that it is not a form of sex, but a mockery thereof.

  58. @Desiderius
    That would significantly reduce the number per capita they already enjoy.

    beautifully stated and regrettably true

  59. so a black gay will receive double the money on reparations?

  60. Gay reparations: because the gays are out of dollar bills to tip the dancing drag kids.

  61. “I look forward to individuals documenting that they came from long lines of closeted gays forced by social pressure into reproducing against their will.”

    Every human being has a bunch of homosexual distant ancestors who reluctantly hit it from family/social pressure.

    For some it may be recent too, but as with other things, even allowing for some moderate inbreeding, we all have hundreds of distant grandfathers and a homo-paternity rate of only 1% of births guarantees this. Indeed we (anyone with substantial NW Euro ancestry) are probably all be descendants of the gay king featured in Braveheart (Edward II), who had five children.

    Of the other likely-homo or bisexual English kings, William Rufus and William of Orange had no children, Richard the Lionheart probably had one illegitimate child, and James I had many children.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    That’s James VI and I

    “the wisest fool in Christendom.”

    Notorious for the witch trials.

    His commission, whilst just King of Scotland, of a scholarly translation of the Bible is, regrettably, unappreciated nowadays.

    , @Grace Jones

    "Every human being has a bunch of homosexual distant ancestors who reluctantly hit it from family/social pressure... we all have hundreds of distant grandfathers and a homo-paternity rate of only 1% of births guarantees this."
     
    I found quite a few distant relatives who never married and had no known children; some of those may have been gay. I found others who married but never had children; some of those may have been gay as well. Considering that gays are only 4% of the population, with so many easy opportunities not to reproduce, I doubt that gays would account for as much as 1% of all births.
    , @Anonymous
    “Every human being has a bunch of homosexual distant ancestors who reluctantly hit it from family/social pressure.”

    This is a good question. In the past, reproduction was a duty, not an act of love. Men with homosexual inclinations were even able to establish some of the most influential dynasties in the history of the world. They were ambitious men, that wanted children, to continue to rule their conquests.

    For example, the Han dynasty. It's the most emblematic dynasty of China, who ruled there for over 400 years. Some of the most fundamental cultural features in China were established in that era. The influence of the Han dynasty is so strong, that the Chinese writing system is called Han, the Chinese language is called Han, and even the dominant Chinese ethnic group is called Han.

    The founding-father of the dynasty, Liu Bang, had homosexual inclinations himself, and spread his gay genes throughout that era. In the monumental "Book of Han", the founder of the Chinese historiography Sima Qian, wrote:


    There is a saying that goes, ‘Hard work in the fields cannot be compared to a year of good weather, excelling in service cannot be compared to attracting affection [from your lord]’, and one should not take these to be empty words. Not only women take advantage of their beauty to please others, courtiers and eunuchs have also behaved in the same way.

    In days gone by there have been many men who have used their appearance to attract the favour of their ruler. Back in the days of the foundation of the Han dynasty the first Han emperor was a man of extreme violence and ruthlessness, but he showed great tenderness in favouring the boy Ji, and during the rule of Emperor Xiaohui there was also the boy Hong. Neither of the two men had any talent to speak of, but by their feminine demeanour they attracted the favour and affection of the emperor. They retired and rose with their emperors and the court officials had to pass through them whenever they needed the emperor’s ear.

     

    It’s ironic that the spiritual father of the most fertile ethnic group in the history of the world, wasted his seeds in the effeminate catamites of the court. LOL

    During the Xiaohui era the three levels of imperial attendants fixed pheasant feathers on their hats, wore cowry shell belts and painted their faces with rouge, which must have been from the influence of Hong and Ji. Both men ended up residing [beside their lords’ tombs] at Anling.
     
    There were a lot of heterosexual courtesans in the closed in those times, trying to take advantage of their beauty. LOL
  62. What about ugly people? We all know in our hearts that they are discriminated against, probably more than any other group. There is hardly a ‘victim group’ out there with disadvantages so bad that simply being good looking won’t compensate. Ugly people should be compensated obviously, they are victims in every walk of life.

  63. @Lot
    “I look forward to individuals documenting that they came from long lines of closeted gays forced by social pressure into reproducing against their will.”

    Every human being has a bunch of homosexual distant ancestors who reluctantly hit it from family/social pressure.

    For some it may be recent too, but as with other things, even allowing for some moderate inbreeding, we all have hundreds of distant grandfathers and a homo-paternity rate of only 1% of births guarantees this. Indeed we (anyone with substantial NW Euro ancestry) are probably all be descendants of the gay king featured in Braveheart (Edward II), who had five children.

    Of the other likely-homo or bisexual English kings, William Rufus and William of Orange had no children, Richard the Lionheart probably had one illegitimate child, and James I had many children.

    That’s James VI and I

    “the wisest fool in Christendom.”

    Notorious for the witch trials.

    His commission, whilst just King of Scotland, of a scholarly translation of the Bible is, regrettably, unappreciated nowadays.

    • Replies: @FPD72
    James VI of Scotland was crowned James I of England on July 25, 1603, although his coronation procession was postponed until March 15, 1603 because of plague. He commissioned the new translation of the Bible in January of 1604, before his procession but after his being crowned King of England.
  64. At least blacks could make a (weak and difficult to quantify) claim on the basis of financially behind whites and try to link that to past oppression, but gays are disproportionately far more successful than white men so should we have to pay them reparations for their success?!

    • Replies: @Prester John
    I'm not sure that success in life has anything to do with it thought. Their behavior is not normal. They know it. And they know that everyone who is not homosexual (or lesbo, tranny or bi) knows it. Exactly why they are what they are is a question to which at present there is no clear answer, but nevertheless many of them probably feel as though they need to be compensated for their unhappiness at knowing that they're freaky-deaky. Not that this will necessarily solve their problem because after all, like blacks or any other so-called "marginalized" group, they still have to look at themselves in the mirror in the morning and if they don't like what they see then no amount of moolah will change this.
  65. @Lot
    “I look forward to individuals documenting that they came from long lines of closeted gays forced by social pressure into reproducing against their will.”

    Every human being has a bunch of homosexual distant ancestors who reluctantly hit it from family/social pressure.

    For some it may be recent too, but as with other things, even allowing for some moderate inbreeding, we all have hundreds of distant grandfathers and a homo-paternity rate of only 1% of births guarantees this. Indeed we (anyone with substantial NW Euro ancestry) are probably all be descendants of the gay king featured in Braveheart (Edward II), who had five children.

    Of the other likely-homo or bisexual English kings, William Rufus and William of Orange had no children, Richard the Lionheart probably had one illegitimate child, and James I had many children.

    “Every human being has a bunch of homosexual distant ancestors who reluctantly hit it from family/social pressure… we all have hundreds of distant grandfathers and a homo-paternity rate of only 1% of births guarantees this.”

    I found quite a few distant relatives who never married and had no known children; some of those may have been gay. I found others who married but never had children; some of those may have been gay as well. Considering that gays are only 4% of the population, with so many easy opportunities not to reproduce, I doubt that gays would account for as much as 1% of all births.

    • Replies: @Lot
    “I found others who married but never had children; some of those may have been gay as well.”

    I think it was Greg Clark who noted that in Western Europe the share of the population that never married was higher than anywhere else, peaking in Ireland as high as 22%. Far lower in Eastern and far Southern Europe, which also feature lower marriage ages.

    For gays who bother to actually marry, I think nearly all have children outside of fertility issues. They may be a bit less procreative because they aren’t banging for the fun of it, and thus have fewer unplanned pregnancies. But does sex weekly v nearly every day really impact the TFR of a young couple much?

    “Considering that gays are only 4% of the population, with so many easy opportunities not to reproduce, I doubt that gays would account for as much as 1% of all births.”

    My guess is more like 2.5% of males who are exclusively homosexual, but half or more marrying and only slightly lower fertility in marriage. No real way to find out!
  66. I don’t subscribe and the article is behind a paywall. Does anyone know exactly what form Mr. Encarnación is proposing that the reparations take?

  67. Homosexuals should first set an example by paying reparations for their molestation of boys. That way they will not look like such hypocrites.

  68. Where are my reparations for watching this video? Tikkun Olam, Kids!

    For the record, I love the New York hasidic accent.

  69. @indocon1111
    The final market crash can't come quick enough to end this inanity.

    We’re almost there.

  70. What about reparations for the bald? It often runs in families, so those of us who are “scalped-challenged” should be compensated for the disadvantages inflicted on our male ancestors!

  71. @Daniel H
    How the so called Stonewall riot was reported, back in day (From the NY Daily News, which was a solid prole tabloid back then). I have no doubt that neither the modern gay nor his straight supporter will find this funny/humorous at all. Censorious prigs. But I think it hilarious.

    https://hiskind.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/ciqfmovwgaasxqa-jpg-large1.jpeg

    Thanks for that, DH. It’s a hoot.

  72. All the Venom That’s Fit To Spit

  73. On the plus side, this could have the I’m Brian effect and derail the far costlier African-American reparations gravy train.

  74. reparations today, reparations tomorrow, reparations FOREVER!

  75. @Sextus Empiricus
    Reparation is to repair as prideful is to proud.

    Reparation – (archaic) the action of repairing something.

  76. @Reg Cæsar

    By Omar G. Encarnación

     

    Omar G. Encarnación =

    A Roman carcinogen.
    Renaming a raccoon.
    Maraca groin-nonce.

    I, conman. Arrogance.
    Arcane moronic nag.
    Gonna corn America.

    Great set, Reg.

  77. Liza Minnelli could get a few bucks out of this.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Liza is not gay, or more accurately, not a homosexual-biological females are not gay because as Steve Sailer, the great authority, correctly states, "Lesbians Are Not Gay". She has however achieved the distinction of being maybe the only female in history to have married four men all of whom were gay.

    Spouse(s)

    Peter Allen
    (m. 1967; div. 1974)
    Jack Haley Jr.
    (m. 1974; div. 1979)
    Mark Gero
    (m. 1979; div. 1992)
    David Gest
    (m. 2002; div. 2007)

     

    Possibly she has finally realized that this is not going to work, since she does not have a penis.
    Time, however, will tell.
  78. Anonymous[216] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    “I look forward to individuals documenting that they came from long lines of closeted gays forced by social pressure into reproducing against their will.”

    Every human being has a bunch of homosexual distant ancestors who reluctantly hit it from family/social pressure.

    For some it may be recent too, but as with other things, even allowing for some moderate inbreeding, we all have hundreds of distant grandfathers and a homo-paternity rate of only 1% of births guarantees this. Indeed we (anyone with substantial NW Euro ancestry) are probably all be descendants of the gay king featured in Braveheart (Edward II), who had five children.

    Of the other likely-homo or bisexual English kings, William Rufus and William of Orange had no children, Richard the Lionheart probably had one illegitimate child, and James I had many children.

    “Every human being has a bunch of homosexual distant ancestors who reluctantly hit it from family/social pressure.”

    This is a good question. In the past, reproduction was a duty, not an act of love. Men with homosexual inclinations were even able to establish some of the most influential dynasties in the history of the world. They were ambitious men, that wanted children, to continue to rule their conquests.

    For example, the Han dynasty. It’s the most emblematic dynasty of China, who ruled there for over 400 years. Some of the most fundamental cultural features in China were established in that era. The influence of the Han dynasty is so strong, that the Chinese writing system is called Han, the Chinese language is called Han, and even the dominant Chinese ethnic group is called Han.

    The founding-father of the dynasty, Liu Bang, had homosexual inclinations himself, and spread his gay genes throughout that era. In the monumental “Book of Han”, the founder of the Chinese historiography Sima Qian, wrote:

    There is a saying that goes, ‘Hard work in the fields cannot be compared to a year of good weather, excelling in service cannot be compared to attracting affection [from your lord]’, and one should not take these to be empty words. Not only women take advantage of their beauty to please others, courtiers and eunuchs have also behaved in the same way.

    In days gone by there have been many men who have used their appearance to attract the favour of their ruler. Back in the days of the foundation of the Han dynasty the first Han emperor was a man of extreme violence and ruthlessness, but he showed great tenderness in favouring the boy Ji, and during the rule of Emperor Xiaohui there was also the boy Hong. Neither of the two men had any talent to speak of, but by their feminine demeanour they attracted the favour and affection of the emperor. They retired and rose with their emperors and the court officials had to pass through them whenever they needed the emperor’s ear.

    It’s ironic that the spiritual father of the most fertile ethnic group in the history of the world, wasted his seeds in the effeminate catamites of the court. LOL

    During the Xiaohui era the three levels of imperial attendants fixed pheasant feathers on their hats, wore cowry shell belts and painted their faces with rouge, which must have been from the influence of Hong and Ji. Both men ended up residing [beside their lords’ tombs] at Anling.

    There were a lot of heterosexual courtesans in the closed in those times, trying to take advantage of their beauty. LOL

    • Replies: @Lot
    “There were a lot of heterosexual courtesans in the closed in those times, trying to take advantage of their beauty. LOL”

    Edward, James, and William of Orange all nearly incited rebellions by awarding titles and extensive land grants on their favorites. No sign that Rufus or Henry did so, though they were always at war, and cared most about winning, so lacked opportunities to do so.

    That 5 of 42 post-Conquest kings (12%) show a fair evidence of homosexuality shows it may not be random, but rather associated with extreme ambition.

    , @NOTA
    It seems like selection against homosexuality would have been less of a problem in a society where marriages were arranged in childhood. The gay guy gets married at his peak horniness level when even a woman or sheep is appealing to him, manages to produce a couple heirs, and then drifts off to his preferred partners later on.
  79. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mike Zwick
    Liza Minnelli could get a few bucks out of this.

    Liza is not gay, or more accurately, not a homosexual-biological females are not gay because as Steve Sailer, the great authority, correctly states, “Lesbians Are Not Gay”. She has however achieved the distinction of being maybe the only female in history to have married four men all of whom were gay.

    Spouse(s)

    Peter Allen
    (m. 1967; div. 1974)
    Jack Haley Jr.
    (m. 1974; div. 1979)
    Mark Gero
    (m. 1979; div. 1992)
    David Gest
    (m. 2002; div. 2007)

    Possibly she has finally realized that this is not going to work, since she does not have a penis.
    Time, however, will tell.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Liza's dad, the great MGM musical director Vicente Minelli, was universally assumed to be 100% gay until little Liza emerged, who clearly couldn't be anything other than the biological daughter of Vicente Minelli and Judy Garland.
  80. Lot says:
    @Anonymous
    “Every human being has a bunch of homosexual distant ancestors who reluctantly hit it from family/social pressure.”

    This is a good question. In the past, reproduction was a duty, not an act of love. Men with homosexual inclinations were even able to establish some of the most influential dynasties in the history of the world. They were ambitious men, that wanted children, to continue to rule their conquests.

    For example, the Han dynasty. It's the most emblematic dynasty of China, who ruled there for over 400 years. Some of the most fundamental cultural features in China were established in that era. The influence of the Han dynasty is so strong, that the Chinese writing system is called Han, the Chinese language is called Han, and even the dominant Chinese ethnic group is called Han.

    The founding-father of the dynasty, Liu Bang, had homosexual inclinations himself, and spread his gay genes throughout that era. In the monumental "Book of Han", the founder of the Chinese historiography Sima Qian, wrote:


    There is a saying that goes, ‘Hard work in the fields cannot be compared to a year of good weather, excelling in service cannot be compared to attracting affection [from your lord]’, and one should not take these to be empty words. Not only women take advantage of their beauty to please others, courtiers and eunuchs have also behaved in the same way.

    In days gone by there have been many men who have used their appearance to attract the favour of their ruler. Back in the days of the foundation of the Han dynasty the first Han emperor was a man of extreme violence and ruthlessness, but he showed great tenderness in favouring the boy Ji, and during the rule of Emperor Xiaohui there was also the boy Hong. Neither of the two men had any talent to speak of, but by their feminine demeanour they attracted the favour and affection of the emperor. They retired and rose with their emperors and the court officials had to pass through them whenever they needed the emperor’s ear.

     

    It’s ironic that the spiritual father of the most fertile ethnic group in the history of the world, wasted his seeds in the effeminate catamites of the court. LOL

    During the Xiaohui era the three levels of imperial attendants fixed pheasant feathers on their hats, wore cowry shell belts and painted their faces with rouge, which must have been from the influence of Hong and Ji. Both men ended up residing [beside their lords’ tombs] at Anling.
     
    There were a lot of heterosexual courtesans in the closed in those times, trying to take advantage of their beauty. LOL

    “There were a lot of heterosexual courtesans in the closed in those times, trying to take advantage of their beauty. LOL”

    Edward, James, and William of Orange all nearly incited rebellions by awarding titles and extensive land grants on their favorites. No sign that Rufus or Henry did so, though they were always at war, and cared most about winning, so lacked opportunities to do so.

    That 5 of 42 post-Conquest kings (12%) show a fair evidence of homosexuality shows it may not be random, but rather associated with extreme ambition.

    • Replies: @Flip

    That 5 of 42 post-Conquest kings (12%) show a fair evidence of homosexuality shows it may not be random, but rather associated with extreme ambition.
     
    There have been rumors about Churchill, Heath, Blair, GWB, and Obama among others. Washington and Hamilton may have been an item (and I recently read about Hamilton's love letters to his boyfriend). And then there was Frederick the Great.
  81. I look forward to individuals documenting that they came from long lines of closeted gays forced by social pressure into reproducing against their will.

    Looking forward to “A Handboy’s Tale” at the cineplex.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    Or "Supergays Last All Summer Long" based on Spielberg's movie "A.I." (byline: "based on a true event: it morally happened - in the future")
    , @tyrone
    WHAT!…an Obama bio-flick already!?
    , @Cortes
    Cavalry officers in the Indian Army had their own handjobwallahs, allegedly:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallah
  82. “Let’s just throw money at everyone’s who upset and call it even.”

    Why has this become the go-to liberal strategy? Can they think of nothing else?

  83. Anonymous[352] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘Gay reparations’?

    I believe certain surgeons specialize in sphincter restoration interventions.

  84. @El Dato

    I look forward to individuals documenting that they came from long lines of closeted gays forced by social pressure into reproducing against their will.
     
    Looking forward to "A Handboy's Tale" at the cineplex.

    Or “Supergays Last All Summer Long” based on Spielberg’s movie “A.I.” (byline: “based on a true event: it morally happened – in the future”)

  85. @Anonymous
    Liza is not gay, or more accurately, not a homosexual-biological females are not gay because as Steve Sailer, the great authority, correctly states, "Lesbians Are Not Gay". She has however achieved the distinction of being maybe the only female in history to have married four men all of whom were gay.

    Spouse(s)

    Peter Allen
    (m. 1967; div. 1974)
    Jack Haley Jr.
    (m. 1974; div. 1979)
    Mark Gero
    (m. 1979; div. 1992)
    David Gest
    (m. 2002; div. 2007)

     

    Possibly she has finally realized that this is not going to work, since she does not have a penis.
    Time, however, will tell.

    Liza’s dad, the great MGM musical director Vicente Minelli, was universally assumed to be 100% gay until little Liza emerged, who clearly couldn’t be anything other than the biological daughter of Vicente Minelli and Judy Garland.

    • Replies: @bored identity
    Vincente- from the Latin/ Italian word "vincere"- to conquer.

    Uncle Sailer was maybe musing about Lester Anthony Minnelli, aka Dorothy's Inseminator, but his vindictive id typoed him back to Phil Jackson that one time when old James Gardner had a stache:

    http://images.latintimes.com/sites/latintimes.com/files/2016/05/11/vicente-fox.jpg
  86. @Daniel H
    How the so called Stonewall riot was reported, back in day (From the NY Daily News, which was a solid prole tabloid back then). I have no doubt that neither the modern gay nor his straight supporter will find this funny/humorous at all. Censorious prigs. But I think it hilarious.

    https://hiskind.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/ciqfmovwgaasxqa-jpg-large1.jpeg

    The way Stonewall is now reported is a misrepresentation according to a reporter for the leftist Village Voice who happened to be by the place at the time of the riot and wrote about it. Stonewall was a mob joint that served alcohol to underage kids, and the police were there to shut it down. The homosexuals could go drink at some other bar, but the kids could not. Most of the rioters were kids upset that the place was being closed.

  87. @AnotherDad

    Will the gays community be paying reparations to all the minors they have sexually abused, or are they not yet done with that?
     
    Even beyond costs like abuse and disease, homosexuals are a "cost" on any functioning society.

    They tend to be sub-standard on material production, and do not--even with taxation--bear their full share of reproducing the society. Most hetero males essentially "repay" the cost of their own upbringing by channelling large amounts of their own production into providing for their children. Homosexuals don't do this and generally are a net cost to society. Like criminals, just not nearly as damaging.

    That this is true, is why most successful societies could put restrictions on homosexuality with no ill effects. Suppressing a deadweight cost is goodness. If--in the future--a society could eliminate homosexuality through some medical intervention, or detect it in utero and abort all the homosexuals, it would slightly improve its efficiency and standard of living. Again not by a huge amount as with criminals--there just aren't a huge number of homos to begin with--but by probably something like a quarter of a percent. Maybe even a whole percent figuring in abuse, disease and just "drama".


    (Note women, in the net, also do not produce enough to cover their consumption, but they cover the costs of their consumption with child care and homemaking. The husband and wife combo is in the net productive, covers their consumption and reproduces society. Plus ... has a lot of fun with each other!)

    i’ve also wondered what the net benefit of no homos in society would be. as you’ve pointed out, homos are a net negative mathematically on society, and there’s very good reasons most humans over the last 5000 years were automatically, reflexively hostile to them. homos produce no long term net positive GDP, at minimum, and cause population growth to be slightly lower.

    i think you’re underestimating their level of detriment, or stated another way, the upside of not having them around. since homos are about 4% of the population, things would improve at least 1% just from converting all homo births into hetero births via future medical/genetic intervention. it might even improve things 2%. population growth would go up slightly, and all the huge net negative STD propagation would be gone.

    they incur a pretty big cost with all the STDS – which they do nothing to research or develop treatments for. heteros have to do all the work to keep homos alive. but keep them alive, so they can continue spreading STDs? we’ve got some serious STDs now, resistant strains that almost no antibiotics can treat, thanks to homos. this gets worse over time, as the global population grows, and crosses continents. homos weren’t able to do as much damage 100, 200 years ago as they can now with these communicable diseases and mutating strains.

  88. Does actually being enslaved and being answerable to an actual master pay as much as it would if you just do it for a hobby because you think it’s hot? Guess we’ll find out some time in our lifetimes. We truly live in interesting times.

  89. I look forward to individuals documenting that they came from long lines of closeted gays forced by social pressure into reproducing against their will.

    According to Thomas Sowell there is a movement in India trying to extend affirmative action to the country’s eunuchs, because eunuchs were discriminated against in the past decades. I look forward to eunuchs trying to justify being the recipient of reparations, since they obviously come from a long line of eunuchs.

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @NOTA
    On the other hand, this is one social program we can be confident won't create a multi-generation culture of dependency....
  90. anon[153] • Disclaimer says:

    And this is why all those guys on the dissident right advocating a conversation on reparations were wrong, just as I said. They naively thought they could maneuver the left into some kind of intellectual trap on the exact amount. Nope. Emotionalism trumps reason. Once this gets started, it will spread and turn into a UBI for every fringe group; it will never end just like affirmative action. It will be akin to Zimbabwe stealing European farmlands and giving them to favored groups.

  91. @AnotherDad

    Will the gays community be paying reparations to all the minors they have sexually abused, or are they not yet done with that?
     
    Even beyond costs like abuse and disease, homosexuals are a "cost" on any functioning society.

    They tend to be sub-standard on material production, and do not--even with taxation--bear their full share of reproducing the society. Most hetero males essentially "repay" the cost of their own upbringing by channelling large amounts of their own production into providing for their children. Homosexuals don't do this and generally are a net cost to society. Like criminals, just not nearly as damaging.

    That this is true, is why most successful societies could put restrictions on homosexuality with no ill effects. Suppressing a deadweight cost is goodness. If--in the future--a society could eliminate homosexuality through some medical intervention, or detect it in utero and abort all the homosexuals, it would slightly improve its efficiency and standard of living. Again not by a huge amount as with criminals--there just aren't a huge number of homos to begin with--but by probably something like a quarter of a percent. Maybe even a whole percent figuring in abuse, disease and just "drama".


    (Note women, in the net, also do not produce enough to cover their consumption, but they cover the costs of their consumption with child care and homemaking. The husband and wife combo is in the net productive, covers their consumption and reproduces society. Plus ... has a lot of fun with each other!)

    ” . . . [T]here just aren’t a huge number of homos to begin with–but by probably something like a quarter of a percent.”

    After our local Podunk Tech agreed to bankroll same-sex domestic partners’ medical benefits about a decade ago, all of two people were enrolled, about .067% of the 3000 total enrollees. About the same time, the campus gay lobby, mostly the English and philosophy departments, was still promoting that 10% figure that I think has long been debunked.

    As with Black reparations, and as you suggest, deductions from this “reparations” case ought to be made: the costs of gay promiscuity, predatory gay behavior that doesn’t rise to the level of criminality but is disruptive anyway, injury to traditional behaviors and religious and secular norms, even alienation of affection as gays and lesbians remove potential romantic partners from the hetero marketplace. There are probably cases of non-gays who’ve suffered injury because they were wrongly presumed to be gay–so how are they to be compensated?

    I’m okay with decent treatment of Blacks, gays, Martians, and what-all, but this looks like another undue enrichment racket.

  92. @Cortes
    That’s James VI and I

    “the wisest fool in Christendom.”

    Notorious for the witch trials.

    His commission, whilst just King of Scotland, of a scholarly translation of the Bible is, regrettably, unappreciated nowadays.

    James VI of Scotland was crowned James I of England on July 25, 1603, although his coronation procession was postponed until March 15, 1603 because of plague. He commissioned the new translation of the Bible in January of 1604, before his procession but after his being crowned King of England.

  93. Gay Reparation

    Should be considered already ‘paid in full’ via all the money spent on HIV/AIDS research and treatment.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    Also STDs:

    https://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/STD.htm
  94. Steve Sailer:

    “I look forward to individuals documenting that they came from long lines of closeted gays forced by social pressure into reproducing against their will.”

    Yeah, like that never happens. I mean, it’s not like any gay men has ever come out of the closet after getting married and spawned a bunch of kids.

    And while you are at it, here is a video from the 1950’s, that conservatives consider their Panglossian “golden age”, clearly displaying how homosexuals were treated:

    Now, Steve Sailer, being the prejudiced piece of shit that he is, will argue that this is a perfectly salutary video condemning pedophilia. That would be a borderline acceptable argument if it truly were about pedoiphilia. But the video clearly states:

    “Ralph sufers from a disease of the mind. A disease unlike smallpox, a disease not visible to the naked eye, but a disease nonetheless. You see, Ralph is a homosexual…’

    The video describes homosexaulity as a mental illness, and something “dangerous”. It has nothing to do with pedophilia. It is pure homophobia. This is how gays were treated back in the 1950’s, the “golden age” of conservatives.

    But according to Steve Sailer, no one except for blacks has ever suffered any discrimination in America. Never mind that America has never had, even today, a president of primarily southern or easte European descent. Never mind that, even today, the U.S Congress and Senate are composed of over 80% white of northwestern Europeans, with the vast mahority being male. That America is a historially racist, sexist and homophobic society is *not* debatable.

    Steve Sailer, with his characteristic lack of honor and integrity, which is particulary reprachable in a conservative since conservatives pay so much lip service to having integrity of character and truthfulness, lies and distorts history to fit his citizenist ideology. He figures paying out blacks is managable, but paying up all the people that have been oppressed by the Anglo-Saxon would lead to the end of his white America. So he reqrites history to fit his citizenist ideology, which is just a proxy for racism – he doesen’t actually want to restrict all immigration, just immigration from the brown Third World. But admitting that takes away his moral standing, so he fabricated his “citizenist” ideology to disguise his obvious racism. When citizen = white, with a few managable non-whites thrown in just to show that we are not racist. I am still waitingf for Steve Sailer to explain the 1924 Immigration Act, which restricted the entry of southern and eastern Europeans on the grounds that that they were *biologically* inferior to Anglo-Saxons.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    How come we never see Nick and Tiny D and Corvinus in the same thread, hmmmmmm?
    , @Ragno
    I'm always intrigued at how deviants and Communists, who rail ceaselessly at the charnel-house horrors of the 1950s, wax tenderly nostalgic at the 30s and 40s, when we're supposed to believe harsh public homophobia was largely mitigated by Nazi-punchin' and the WPA.

    It's kinda like the way the very same folks who get that rosy-cheeked glow remembering all the Nazi-punchin' suddenly blanch in horror at the very thought of giving the Japs the same or worse; somehow managing to forget that Japanese racism, and their race-based atrocities, were just as awful as anything the Jerries managed to inflict on suffering humanity. (Then again, if they were really all that bad, we'd be up to our armpits by now in Rape of Nanking and Unit 731 movies with thrilling John Williams scores, wouldn't we?)

    , @Boy the way Glenn Miller played

    Never mind that, even today, the U.S Congress and Senate are composed of over 80% white of northwestern Europeans, with the vast mahority being male. That America is a historially racist, sexist and homophobic society is *not* debatable.
     
    I hate to engage with your ilk, but let's get on with it. Would you be so nice as to point me in the direction of the long string of the folks you described who are currently fleeing the United States?
    , @Mr Puroik
    Good God, liberals are babies. I managed to get through that whole rant without seeing even one hint of logic or critical thinking. Just a pure, raw, writhing emotional hissyfit full of baseless accusations. Your globalist candidates keep losing, now you know why.
    , @Alec Leamas

    The video describes homosexaulity as a mental illness, and something “dangerous”. It has nothing to do with pedophilia. It is pure homophobia. This is how gays were treated back in the 1950’s, the “golden age” of conservatives.
     
    Gay is a made up political identity with no historical or social grounding.
  95. @Colin Wright
    'The solution is simple.

    'Give every Woke American their own normal sane white male slave.'

    ? I was under the impression this had already happened.

    ...unless you mean I should have been getting paid for the crap I've put up with over the last forty years. Has somebody been doing me out of my salary?

    ...were we supposed to be getting paid all these years? Here I thought I was just obliged -- it was some kind of caste duty or something.

    We’ve been under-ground railroaded.

  96. @El Dato

    I look forward to individuals documenting that they came from long lines of closeted gays forced by social pressure into reproducing against their will.
     
    Looking forward to "A Handboy's Tale" at the cineplex.

    WHAT!…an Obama bio-flick already!?

  97. @El Dato

    I look forward to individuals documenting that they came from long lines of closeted gays forced by social pressure into reproducing against their will.
     
    Looking forward to "A Handboy's Tale" at the cineplex.

    Cavalry officers in the Indian Army had their own handjobwallahs, allegedly:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallah

  98. @Forbes
    Touché.

    Black women and their hair...and now gays..

    I think Sobran first usedthat Line.

  99. The Catholic church will make a bundle if they ever institute reparations for homosexuals. All those gay priest were targeted for making passes at 16 year-old boys is not just acceptable today , but actively promoted by our gay elites and our school and media. The Catholic church was ahead of its time , allowing gays to become priests since 1960 , and actually recruiting gays to become brothers.

  100. @Louis Renault
    You're doing it the hard way. Try this:

    Repatriation is reparation! Israel open your borders, they deserve to come home to their ancient homeland. Especially today, Tel Aviv pride day in Israel.
    https://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/Tel-Aviv-Pride-Parade-kicks-off-for-21st-time-with-theme-The-Struggle-Continues-592539

    one [float in the parade] is sponsored by the British Embassy

    And some say globo-homo is not a thing.

  101. The reparations line forms on the left (as always). And, as some have predicted, it will get progressively longer.

  102. @Daniel H
    How the so called Stonewall riot was reported, back in day (From the NY Daily News, which was a solid prole tabloid back then). I have no doubt that neither the modern gay nor his straight supporter will find this funny/humorous at all. Censorious prigs. But I think it hilarious.

    https://hiskind.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/ciqfmovwgaasxqa-jpg-large1.jpeg

    Such a shame that this America is gone.

    • Agree: Kylie
  103. @Neuday
    Will the gays community be paying reparations to all the minors they have sexually abused, or are they not yet done with that?

    Bill Donohue, President of the Catholic League, refers to the gay molesters in the Catholic Church as the “homosexual nest”.

  104. @Sextus Empiricus
    At least blacks could make a (weak and difficult to quantify) claim on the basis of financially behind whites and try to link that to past oppression, but gays are disproportionately far more successful than white men so should we have to pay them reparations for their success?!

    I’m not sure that success in life has anything to do with it thought. Their behavior is not normal. They know it. And they know that everyone who is not homosexual (or lesbo, tranny or bi) knows it. Exactly why they are what they are is a question to which at present there is no clear answer, but nevertheless many of them probably feel as though they need to be compensated for their unhappiness at knowing that they’re freaky-deaky. Not that this will necessarily solve their problem because after all, like blacks or any other so-called “marginalized” group, they still have to look at themselves in the mirror in the morning and if they don’t like what they see then no amount of moolah will change this.

  105. @Thomm
    But a large number of White Nationalists will be recipients, so it ironically helps this grievance group that can get any other sort of victimology pork.

    So much projection from one broken little man.

  106. Reparations for Gays? We could call it “Reparative Therapy”.

    We’ll grant them reparations when they pony up all the money that’s been spent treating their STDs.

  107. The Federal budget is now a place for looting with everyone trying to get in on it. You wonder how long it will take before the dollar buckles.

  108. @Jon
    That didn't take long - it's only been a few months since Tennessee Coats penned his magnum opus on reparations and all 20 of the Dem candidates started talking reparations, but we're already seeing every other other minority try to get in on the action. Hopefully, the topic of reparations can become as ridiculous as that House resolution on Anti-Semitism that quickly ballooned all out of bounds.

    If any of us can find a drop of Neanderthal Man blood we should demand reparations from everyone else–that was genocide and slaughter!

    • Replies: @anon
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Reconstruction_of_Neanderthal_woman.jpg/494px-Reconstruction_of_Neanderthal_woman.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/Le_Moustier_skull_in_Berlin_reconstitution.jpg/516px-Le_Moustier_skull_in_Berlin_reconstitution.jpg

    Neanderthal Lives Matter!

    Must get around to creating the charter for The Neanderthal Social Club and Drinking Society. Membership requires at least 1% Neanderthal DNA.

    Don't actually know if I would qualify, but there are times when I sure do feel like a Neanderthal.
  109. @Lot
    “There were a lot of heterosexual courtesans in the closed in those times, trying to take advantage of their beauty. LOL”

    Edward, James, and William of Orange all nearly incited rebellions by awarding titles and extensive land grants on their favorites. No sign that Rufus or Henry did so, though they were always at war, and cared most about winning, so lacked opportunities to do so.

    That 5 of 42 post-Conquest kings (12%) show a fair evidence of homosexuality shows it may not be random, but rather associated with extreme ambition.

    That 5 of 42 post-Conquest kings (12%) show a fair evidence of homosexuality shows it may not be random, but rather associated with extreme ambition.

    There have been rumors about Churchill, Heath, Blair, GWB, and Obama among others. Washington and Hamilton may have been an item (and I recently read about Hamilton’s love letters to his boyfriend). And then there was Frederick the Great.

  110. I continue to be impressed with the NYT’s ongoing commitment to re-elect Donald Trump. This is worth a dozen TV campaign ads!

  111. @Anonymous
    “Every human being has a bunch of homosexual distant ancestors who reluctantly hit it from family/social pressure.”

    This is a good question. In the past, reproduction was a duty, not an act of love. Men with homosexual inclinations were even able to establish some of the most influential dynasties in the history of the world. They were ambitious men, that wanted children, to continue to rule their conquests.

    For example, the Han dynasty. It's the most emblematic dynasty of China, who ruled there for over 400 years. Some of the most fundamental cultural features in China were established in that era. The influence of the Han dynasty is so strong, that the Chinese writing system is called Han, the Chinese language is called Han, and even the dominant Chinese ethnic group is called Han.

    The founding-father of the dynasty, Liu Bang, had homosexual inclinations himself, and spread his gay genes throughout that era. In the monumental "Book of Han", the founder of the Chinese historiography Sima Qian, wrote:


    There is a saying that goes, ‘Hard work in the fields cannot be compared to a year of good weather, excelling in service cannot be compared to attracting affection [from your lord]’, and one should not take these to be empty words. Not only women take advantage of their beauty to please others, courtiers and eunuchs have also behaved in the same way.

    In days gone by there have been many men who have used their appearance to attract the favour of their ruler. Back in the days of the foundation of the Han dynasty the first Han emperor was a man of extreme violence and ruthlessness, but he showed great tenderness in favouring the boy Ji, and during the rule of Emperor Xiaohui there was also the boy Hong. Neither of the two men had any talent to speak of, but by their feminine demeanour they attracted the favour and affection of the emperor. They retired and rose with their emperors and the court officials had to pass through them whenever they needed the emperor’s ear.

     

    It’s ironic that the spiritual father of the most fertile ethnic group in the history of the world, wasted his seeds in the effeminate catamites of the court. LOL

    During the Xiaohui era the three levels of imperial attendants fixed pheasant feathers on their hats, wore cowry shell belts and painted their faces with rouge, which must have been from the influence of Hong and Ji. Both men ended up residing [beside their lords’ tombs] at Anling.
     
    There were a lot of heterosexual courtesans in the closed in those times, trying to take advantage of their beauty. LOL

    It seems like selection against homosexuality would have been less of a problem in a society where marriages were arranged in childhood. The gay guy gets married at his peak horniness level when even a woman or sheep is appealing to him, manages to produce a couple heirs, and then drifts off to his preferred partners later on.

    • Replies: @Lot
    “It seems like selection against homosexuality would have been less of a problem in a society where marriages were arranged in childhood.”

    Still huge over time even if gays only have 10% fewer children.

    I think whatever it is that protects the brain against homosexuality (and gender dysphoria) has other fitness costs, and the equilibrium between homo-protection and its costs is the 2.5% gay level we see the populations where we have credible estimates.

    The younger-brother effect on homosexuality might mean the homo-protection genes involve the mother’s immune system.
    , @Alec Leamas

    It seems like selection against homosexuality would have been less of a problem in a society where marriages were arranged in childhood. The gay guy gets married at his peak horniness level when even a woman or sheep is appealing to him, manages to produce a couple heirs, and then drifts off to his preferred partners later on.
     
    I think it's a mistake to view gays as an identity. Men having sex with other men is a behavior- there may be several discrete endocrinological, genetic, psychological or environmental reasons why a man would be inclined to have sexual contact with another man. There could be factors which work together to incline one to such behaviors. We know that the prevalence of this behavior can be affected by cultural practices (as in Classical antiquity), and that certain environments such as incarceration incline previously straight men to homosexual behaviors.

    Lesbianism could very well have its own independent causal factors that have nothing whatsoever to do with male homosexuality.

    Now that they have attained a state of near political hegemony there are murmurs again of gays and lesbians who propose that their sexual behavior is, for them, a "choice." Recall the lavender gestapo "persuading" Cynthia Nixon to walk back her comments to this effect.

    In sum, I don't think it will wind up being as simple as a single "gay gene" or gestational defect - rather, one or more causal factors will incline one to openness to homosexual behavior, with perhaps a cumulative effect where multiple are present.
  112. @GermanReader2

    I look forward to individuals documenting that they came from long lines of closeted gays forced by social pressure into reproducing against their will.
     
    According to Thomas Sowell there is a movement in India trying to extend affirmative action to the country's eunuchs, because eunuchs were discriminated against in the past decades. I look forward to eunuchs trying to justify being the recipient of reparations, since they obviously come from a long line of eunuchs.

    On the other hand, this is one social program we can be confident won’t create a multi-generation culture of dependency….

  113. Lot says:
    @Grace Jones

    "Every human being has a bunch of homosexual distant ancestors who reluctantly hit it from family/social pressure... we all have hundreds of distant grandfathers and a homo-paternity rate of only 1% of births guarantees this."
     
    I found quite a few distant relatives who never married and had no known children; some of those may have been gay. I found others who married but never had children; some of those may have been gay as well. Considering that gays are only 4% of the population, with so many easy opportunities not to reproduce, I doubt that gays would account for as much as 1% of all births.

    “I found others who married but never had children; some of those may have been gay as well.”

    I think it was Greg Clark who noted that in Western Europe the share of the population that never married was higher than anywhere else, peaking in Ireland as high as 22%. Far lower in Eastern and far Southern Europe, which also feature lower marriage ages.

    For gays who bother to actually marry, I think nearly all have children outside of fertility issues. They may be a bit less procreative because they aren’t banging for the fun of it, and thus have fewer unplanned pregnancies. But does sex weekly v nearly every day really impact the TFR of a young couple much?

    “Considering that gays are only 4% of the population, with so many easy opportunities not to reproduce, I doubt that gays would account for as much as 1% of all births.”

    My guess is more like 2.5% of males who are exclusively homosexual, but half or more marrying and only slightly lower fertility in marriage. No real way to find out!

  114. Lot says:
    @NOTA
    It seems like selection against homosexuality would have been less of a problem in a society where marriages were arranged in childhood. The gay guy gets married at his peak horniness level when even a woman or sheep is appealing to him, manages to produce a couple heirs, and then drifts off to his preferred partners later on.

    “It seems like selection against homosexuality would have been less of a problem in a society where marriages were arranged in childhood.”

    Still huge over time even if gays only have 10% fewer children.

    I think whatever it is that protects the brain against homosexuality (and gender dysphoria) has other fitness costs, and the equilibrium between homo-protection and its costs is the 2.5% gay level we see the populations where we have credible estimates.

    The younger-brother effect on homosexuality might mean the homo-protection genes involve the mother’s immune system.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    That’s my guess too. Could be some tribe/societal fitness benefit from having some gays around, or at least men with weaker propensity to fight for access to women. You know, to be the tip of the gentrification spear for instance.
  115. How much money is the New York Times suggesting that Israel pay to ethnically cleansed, indigenous Palestinian gays?

  116. anon[623] • Disclaimer says:
    @Justvisiting
    If any of us can find a drop of Neanderthal Man blood we should demand reparations from everyone else--that was genocide and slaughter!

    Neanderthal Lives Matter!

    Must get around to creating the charter for The Neanderthal Social Club and Drinking Society. Membership requires at least 1% Neanderthal DNA.

    Don’t actually know if I would qualify, but there are times when I sure do feel like a Neanderthal.

    • Replies: @Lot
    “Membership requires at least 1% Neanderthal DNA.

    Don’t actually know if I would qualify”

    White people average about 2.5%, and all are above 1%.
  117. @Dr. X
    This is getting out of hand.

    Frankly, I'm sick of constantly hearing about anal sodomites. As Pat Buchanan once said, "Homosexuality has gone from 'The love that dare not speak its name' to the love that won't shut up..."

    Pat, the author of A REPUBLIC, NOT AN EMPIRE, should have followed that one up with AN EXIT, NOT AN ENTRANCE.

  118. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer:

    "I look forward to individuals documenting that they came from long lines of closeted gays forced by social pressure into reproducing against their will."

    Yeah, like that never happens. I mean, it's not like any gay men has ever come out of the closet after getting married and spawned a bunch of kids.

    And while you are at it, here is a video from the 1950's, that conservatives consider their Panglossian "golden age", clearly displaying how homosexuals were treated: https://youtu.be/EqIIeGmhL2Q

    Now, Steve Sailer, being the prejudiced piece of shit that he is, will argue that this is a perfectly salutary video condemning pedophilia. That would be a borderline acceptable argument if it truly were about pedoiphilia. But the video clearly states:

    "Ralph sufers from a disease of the mind. A disease unlike smallpox, a disease not visible to the naked eye, but a disease nonetheless. You see, Ralph is a homosexual...'

    The video describes homosexaulity as a mental illness, and something "dangerous". It has nothing to do with pedophilia. It is pure homophobia. This is how gays were treated back in the 1950's, the "golden age" of conservatives.

    But according to Steve Sailer, no one except for blacks has ever suffered any discrimination in America. Never mind that America has never had, even today, a president of primarily southern or easte European descent. Never mind that, even today, the U.S Congress and Senate are composed of over 80% white of northwestern Europeans, with the vast mahority being male. That America is a historially racist, sexist and homophobic society is *not* debatable.

    Steve Sailer, with his characteristic lack of honor and integrity, which is particulary reprachable in a conservative since conservatives pay so much lip service to having integrity of character and truthfulness, lies and distorts history to fit his citizenist ideology. He figures paying out blacks is managable, but paying up all the people that have been oppressed by the Anglo-Saxon would lead to the end of his white America. So he reqrites history to fit his citizenist ideology, which is just a proxy for racism - he doesen't actually want to restrict all immigration, just immigration from the brown Third World. But admitting that takes away his moral standing, so he fabricated his "citizenist" ideology to disguise his obvious racism. When citizen = white, with a few managable non-whites thrown in just to show that we are not racist. I am still waitingf for Steve Sailer to explain the 1924 Immigration Act, which restricted the entry of southern and eastern Europeans on the grounds that that they were *biologically* inferior to Anglo-Saxons.

    How come we never see Nick and Tiny D and Corvinus in the same thread, hmmmmmm?

  119. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer:

    "I look forward to individuals documenting that they came from long lines of closeted gays forced by social pressure into reproducing against their will."

    Yeah, like that never happens. I mean, it's not like any gay men has ever come out of the closet after getting married and spawned a bunch of kids.

    And while you are at it, here is a video from the 1950's, that conservatives consider their Panglossian "golden age", clearly displaying how homosexuals were treated: https://youtu.be/EqIIeGmhL2Q

    Now, Steve Sailer, being the prejudiced piece of shit that he is, will argue that this is a perfectly salutary video condemning pedophilia. That would be a borderline acceptable argument if it truly were about pedoiphilia. But the video clearly states:

    "Ralph sufers from a disease of the mind. A disease unlike smallpox, a disease not visible to the naked eye, but a disease nonetheless. You see, Ralph is a homosexual...'

    The video describes homosexaulity as a mental illness, and something "dangerous". It has nothing to do with pedophilia. It is pure homophobia. This is how gays were treated back in the 1950's, the "golden age" of conservatives.

    But according to Steve Sailer, no one except for blacks has ever suffered any discrimination in America. Never mind that America has never had, even today, a president of primarily southern or easte European descent. Never mind that, even today, the U.S Congress and Senate are composed of over 80% white of northwestern Europeans, with the vast mahority being male. That America is a historially racist, sexist and homophobic society is *not* debatable.

    Steve Sailer, with his characteristic lack of honor and integrity, which is particulary reprachable in a conservative since conservatives pay so much lip service to having integrity of character and truthfulness, lies and distorts history to fit his citizenist ideology. He figures paying out blacks is managable, but paying up all the people that have been oppressed by the Anglo-Saxon would lead to the end of his white America. So he reqrites history to fit his citizenist ideology, which is just a proxy for racism - he doesen't actually want to restrict all immigration, just immigration from the brown Third World. But admitting that takes away his moral standing, so he fabricated his "citizenist" ideology to disguise his obvious racism. When citizen = white, with a few managable non-whites thrown in just to show that we are not racist. I am still waitingf for Steve Sailer to explain the 1924 Immigration Act, which restricted the entry of southern and eastern Europeans on the grounds that that they were *biologically* inferior to Anglo-Saxons.

    I’m always intrigued at how deviants and Communists, who rail ceaselessly at the charnel-house horrors of the 1950s, wax tenderly nostalgic at the 30s and 40s, when we’re supposed to believe harsh public homophobia was largely mitigated by Nazi-punchin’ and the WPA.

    It’s kinda like the way the very same folks who get that rosy-cheeked glow remembering all the Nazi-punchin’ suddenly blanch in horror at the very thought of giving the Japs the same or worse; somehow managing to forget that Japanese racism, and their race-based atrocities, were just as awful as anything the Jerries managed to inflict on suffering humanity. (Then again, if they were really all that bad, we’d be up to our armpits by now in Rape of Nanking and Unit 731 movies with thrilling John Williams scores, wouldn’t we?)

    • Replies: @Ragno
    How long until this one gets out of moderator hell? A week? A month?

    Like every other involuntary resident of Guantanamo, I'm still waiting for a charge of some kind, or some kind of explanation at least. And for the record, have I offended a deviant, a communist, or both?
  120. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer:

    "I look forward to individuals documenting that they came from long lines of closeted gays forced by social pressure into reproducing against their will."

    Yeah, like that never happens. I mean, it's not like any gay men has ever come out of the closet after getting married and spawned a bunch of kids.

    And while you are at it, here is a video from the 1950's, that conservatives consider their Panglossian "golden age", clearly displaying how homosexuals were treated: https://youtu.be/EqIIeGmhL2Q

    Now, Steve Sailer, being the prejudiced piece of shit that he is, will argue that this is a perfectly salutary video condemning pedophilia. That would be a borderline acceptable argument if it truly were about pedoiphilia. But the video clearly states:

    "Ralph sufers from a disease of the mind. A disease unlike smallpox, a disease not visible to the naked eye, but a disease nonetheless. You see, Ralph is a homosexual...'

    The video describes homosexaulity as a mental illness, and something "dangerous". It has nothing to do with pedophilia. It is pure homophobia. This is how gays were treated back in the 1950's, the "golden age" of conservatives.

    But according to Steve Sailer, no one except for blacks has ever suffered any discrimination in America. Never mind that America has never had, even today, a president of primarily southern or easte European descent. Never mind that, even today, the U.S Congress and Senate are composed of over 80% white of northwestern Europeans, with the vast mahority being male. That America is a historially racist, sexist and homophobic society is *not* debatable.

    Steve Sailer, with his characteristic lack of honor and integrity, which is particulary reprachable in a conservative since conservatives pay so much lip service to having integrity of character and truthfulness, lies and distorts history to fit his citizenist ideology. He figures paying out blacks is managable, but paying up all the people that have been oppressed by the Anglo-Saxon would lead to the end of his white America. So he reqrites history to fit his citizenist ideology, which is just a proxy for racism - he doesen't actually want to restrict all immigration, just immigration from the brown Third World. But admitting that takes away his moral standing, so he fabricated his "citizenist" ideology to disguise his obvious racism. When citizen = white, with a few managable non-whites thrown in just to show that we are not racist. I am still waitingf for Steve Sailer to explain the 1924 Immigration Act, which restricted the entry of southern and eastern Europeans on the grounds that that they were *biologically* inferior to Anglo-Saxons.

    Never mind that, even today, the U.S Congress and Senate are composed of over 80% white of northwestern Europeans, with the vast mahority being male. That America is a historially racist, sexist and homophobic society is *not* debatable.

    I hate to engage with your ilk, but let’s get on with it. Would you be so nice as to point me in the direction of the long string of the folks you described who are currently fleeing the United States?

  121. Men pay more for medical and auto insurance. Smokers have to pay more for medical insurance. The reason for this is perfectly sound — they’re greater risks than women and non-smokers. As gay men are far more likely not only to contract HIV, but to contract other venereal diseases, become alcohol and drug abusers, and attempt suicide, shouldn’t they have to pay more for health insurance?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    As gay men are far more likely not only to contract HIV, but to contract other venereal diseases, become alcohol and drug abusers, and attempt suicide, shouldn’t they have to pay more for health insurance?
     
    Everyone should have to pay less for health insurance, even gays. Once you start evaluating group risk factors you will soon be charging more for blacks and native Americans (very prone to the expensive disease diabetes) and there will be no end to the special claims.

    Anyway, don't women have a higher rate of childbirth (a very expensive medical procedure) than men?

    The US would be better off with a cheap and cheerful basic health insurance for all, then let those who want better health insurance buy additional insurance policies according to what they can afford or wish to pay, like in the UK and many other countries.

  122. @Oleaginous Outrager
    To be fair, he does detail some very specific cases, such as "President Dwight Eisenhower’s 1953 Executive Order 10450, which called for the expulsion of homosexuals from all levels of the federal government, contributed to the “Lavender Scare” — the hunting of homosexuals throughout the federal bureaucracy, from the post office to the military to the diplomatic corps."

    I have no issue with the (quite small number of) individuals directly affect by such policies being compensated. As for the rest of the poofters, nothing. Of course, that's not remotely what he's looking for, he's looking to get paid for the penumbra of pain created by "rampant homophobia".

    Who wants to take bets on who launches their own version of "rear entry reparations" first, CA or NY?

    “…“Lavender Scare” — the hunting of homosexuals throughout the federal bureaucracy, from the post office to the military to the diplomatic corps.

    I have no issue with the (quite small number of) individuals directly affect by such policies being compensated. ”

    Wrong on so many levels.

    ‘We Like (When) Ike Tells Dyke To Hike’ was consensus in US 1950’s intelligence/ military community.

    There are at least Cambridge Five reasons for that.

    Allow bored identity to remind your oleaginous outrage how, after the normal vetting. the normal job interview in the normal country for the normal diplomatic position used to normally last 25 seconds:

    ” Dear Mister Everysingletimestein, your proclivity for random butt-edge-edging in public restrooms, truck stops, and/or bath houses does not make you the best candidate for the position of cultural attaché (wink,wink) in East Germany.

    Why don’t you try to get a job in Hollywood instead?”

    Of course, those stupid, bigoted rules do not apply anymore in nowadays Weimerica.

  123. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer:

    "I look forward to individuals documenting that they came from long lines of closeted gays forced by social pressure into reproducing against their will."

    Yeah, like that never happens. I mean, it's not like any gay men has ever come out of the closet after getting married and spawned a bunch of kids.

    And while you are at it, here is a video from the 1950's, that conservatives consider their Panglossian "golden age", clearly displaying how homosexuals were treated: https://youtu.be/EqIIeGmhL2Q

    Now, Steve Sailer, being the prejudiced piece of shit that he is, will argue that this is a perfectly salutary video condemning pedophilia. That would be a borderline acceptable argument if it truly were about pedoiphilia. But the video clearly states:

    "Ralph sufers from a disease of the mind. A disease unlike smallpox, a disease not visible to the naked eye, but a disease nonetheless. You see, Ralph is a homosexual...'

    The video describes homosexaulity as a mental illness, and something "dangerous". It has nothing to do with pedophilia. It is pure homophobia. This is how gays were treated back in the 1950's, the "golden age" of conservatives.

    But according to Steve Sailer, no one except for blacks has ever suffered any discrimination in America. Never mind that America has never had, even today, a president of primarily southern or easte European descent. Never mind that, even today, the U.S Congress and Senate are composed of over 80% white of northwestern Europeans, with the vast mahority being male. That America is a historially racist, sexist and homophobic society is *not* debatable.

    Steve Sailer, with his characteristic lack of honor and integrity, which is particulary reprachable in a conservative since conservatives pay so much lip service to having integrity of character and truthfulness, lies and distorts history to fit his citizenist ideology. He figures paying out blacks is managable, but paying up all the people that have been oppressed by the Anglo-Saxon would lead to the end of his white America. So he reqrites history to fit his citizenist ideology, which is just a proxy for racism - he doesen't actually want to restrict all immigration, just immigration from the brown Third World. But admitting that takes away his moral standing, so he fabricated his "citizenist" ideology to disguise his obvious racism. When citizen = white, with a few managable non-whites thrown in just to show that we are not racist. I am still waitingf for Steve Sailer to explain the 1924 Immigration Act, which restricted the entry of southern and eastern Europeans on the grounds that that they were *biologically* inferior to Anglo-Saxons.

    Good God, liberals are babies. I managed to get through that whole rant without seeing even one hint of logic or critical thinking. Just a pure, raw, writhing emotional hissyfit full of baseless accusations. Your globalist candidates keep losing, now you know why.

  124. @Lot
    “It seems like selection against homosexuality would have been less of a problem in a society where marriages were arranged in childhood.”

    Still huge over time even if gays only have 10% fewer children.

    I think whatever it is that protects the brain against homosexuality (and gender dysphoria) has other fitness costs, and the equilibrium between homo-protection and its costs is the 2.5% gay level we see the populations where we have credible estimates.

    The younger-brother effect on homosexuality might mean the homo-protection genes involve the mother’s immune system.

    That’s my guess too. Could be some tribe/societal fitness benefit from having some gays around, or at least men with weaker propensity to fight for access to women. You know, to be the tip of the gentrification spear for instance.

    • Replies: @Disordered Deacon
    not too dissimilar to the priest-warrior division of labor.

    relatedly, priestly classes eventually became less fertile, or at least a small clique, even in religions where they are not celibates you can see this. perhaps too broad a brush, but the warriorlike initiation of the Greeks maybe eventually went gay from too much balls in close proximity (excessive onanism also correlates, lgbts are oversexed usually really), while in other cultures the passive eunuchs eating cakes all the time eventually can get flowery. and so on in other cultures, with common themes such as jail rape, pale reprisal of macho and femme roles, and sadomasochism.
    lesbianism perhaps is similar in evolution, as women who either liked playing with their brothers too much and eventually went butch, or vestal virgin types that were so passive and around women all the time that their fertile man-wanting feminine hormones dried up, eventually becoming relatively feminine enough lesbians (relatively, because this crowd is never truly like their gender acts when naturally ordered).
    sure, none of this is instant. hormones-genes-environs-stimuli pile up across the generations, and in some more than others. but the macro pattern is there i think.
  125. @utu
    The closets in which gays were kept need reparation.

    We should have nailed the doors shut while we had the chance.

  126. @anon
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Reconstruction_of_Neanderthal_woman.jpg/494px-Reconstruction_of_Neanderthal_woman.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/Le_Moustier_skull_in_Berlin_reconstitution.jpg/516px-Le_Moustier_skull_in_Berlin_reconstitution.jpg

    Neanderthal Lives Matter!

    Must get around to creating the charter for The Neanderthal Social Club and Drinking Society. Membership requires at least 1% Neanderthal DNA.

    Don't actually know if I would qualify, but there are times when I sure do feel like a Neanderthal.

    “Membership requires at least 1% Neanderthal DNA.

    Don’t actually know if I would qualify”

    White people average about 2.5%, and all are above 1%.

  127. If there’s ever a group to get reparations, it’s sure to be this one.

  128. @Steve Sailer
    Liza's dad, the great MGM musical director Vicente Minelli, was universally assumed to be 100% gay until little Liza emerged, who clearly couldn't be anything other than the biological daughter of Vicente Minelli and Judy Garland.

    Vincente– from the Latin/ Italian word “vincere”- to conquer.

    Uncle Sailer was maybe musing about Lester Anthony Minnelli, aka Dorothy’s Inseminator, but his vindictive id typoed him back to Phil Jackson that one time when old James Gardner had a stache:

  129. They should just hire writers from the Babylon Bee. It’s couldn’t be any more humiliating for the NYT and would be much more entertaining.

  130. No use complaining, people like this have to be purged from academia so they don’t get a platform anymore

    They just defunded a lot of leftist shit from colleges in Brazil, America could do the same

  131. @The Plutonium Kid
    Men pay more for medical and auto insurance. Smokers have to pay more for medical insurance. The reason for this is perfectly sound -- they're greater risks than women and non-smokers. As gay men are far more likely not only to contract HIV, but to contract other venereal diseases, become alcohol and drug abusers, and attempt suicide, shouldn't they have to pay more for health insurance?

    As gay men are far more likely not only to contract HIV, but to contract other venereal diseases, become alcohol and drug abusers, and attempt suicide, shouldn’t they have to pay more for health insurance?

    Everyone should have to pay less for health insurance, even gays. Once you start evaluating group risk factors you will soon be charging more for blacks and native Americans (very prone to the expensive disease diabetes) and there will be no end to the special claims.

    Anyway, don’t women have a higher rate of childbirth (a very expensive medical procedure) than men?

    The US would be better off with a cheap and cheerful basic health insurance for all, then let those who want better health insurance buy additional insurance policies according to what they can afford or wish to pay, like in the UK and many other countries.

    • Replies: @Disordered Deacon
    as long as they make it optional, not a cashgrab for insurance companies and/or bureaucrats and/or big doctor/pharma. the French model is closer to what you recommend, the UK may offer too much (then again, flooding the country with people more prone to diabetes and heart disease and cousin marriage does not help).
  132. Brillant. Are we absolutely sure this isn’t a 4chan hoax? Because this is exactly what we need. Next item: Reparations for women because blah blah blah gender gap. Then question if the reparations for gays should go to white males. Rinse. Repeat.

    We should assist a tad in the self defeat of intersectionality.

  133. Seriously, can you say “Jump the Shark?”

  134. @Nick Diaz
    Steve Sailer:

    "I look forward to individuals documenting that they came from long lines of closeted gays forced by social pressure into reproducing against their will."

    Yeah, like that never happens. I mean, it's not like any gay men has ever come out of the closet after getting married and spawned a bunch of kids.

    And while you are at it, here is a video from the 1950's, that conservatives consider their Panglossian "golden age", clearly displaying how homosexuals were treated: https://youtu.be/EqIIeGmhL2Q

    Now, Steve Sailer, being the prejudiced piece of shit that he is, will argue that this is a perfectly salutary video condemning pedophilia. That would be a borderline acceptable argument if it truly were about pedoiphilia. But the video clearly states:

    "Ralph sufers from a disease of the mind. A disease unlike smallpox, a disease not visible to the naked eye, but a disease nonetheless. You see, Ralph is a homosexual...'

    The video describes homosexaulity as a mental illness, and something "dangerous". It has nothing to do with pedophilia. It is pure homophobia. This is how gays were treated back in the 1950's, the "golden age" of conservatives.

    But according to Steve Sailer, no one except for blacks has ever suffered any discrimination in America. Never mind that America has never had, even today, a president of primarily southern or easte European descent. Never mind that, even today, the U.S Congress and Senate are composed of over 80% white of northwestern Europeans, with the vast mahority being male. That America is a historially racist, sexist and homophobic society is *not* debatable.

    Steve Sailer, with his characteristic lack of honor and integrity, which is particulary reprachable in a conservative since conservatives pay so much lip service to having integrity of character and truthfulness, lies and distorts history to fit his citizenist ideology. He figures paying out blacks is managable, but paying up all the people that have been oppressed by the Anglo-Saxon would lead to the end of his white America. So he reqrites history to fit his citizenist ideology, which is just a proxy for racism - he doesen't actually want to restrict all immigration, just immigration from the brown Third World. But admitting that takes away his moral standing, so he fabricated his "citizenist" ideology to disguise his obvious racism. When citizen = white, with a few managable non-whites thrown in just to show that we are not racist. I am still waitingf for Steve Sailer to explain the 1924 Immigration Act, which restricted the entry of southern and eastern Europeans on the grounds that that they were *biologically* inferior to Anglo-Saxons.

    The video describes homosexaulity as a mental illness, and something “dangerous”. It has nothing to do with pedophilia. It is pure homophobia. This is how gays were treated back in the 1950’s, the “golden age” of conservatives.

    Gay is a made up political identity with no historical or social grounding.

  135. @NOTA
    It seems like selection against homosexuality would have been less of a problem in a society where marriages were arranged in childhood. The gay guy gets married at his peak horniness level when even a woman or sheep is appealing to him, manages to produce a couple heirs, and then drifts off to his preferred partners later on.

    It seems like selection against homosexuality would have been less of a problem in a society where marriages were arranged in childhood. The gay guy gets married at his peak horniness level when even a woman or sheep is appealing to him, manages to produce a couple heirs, and then drifts off to his preferred partners later on.

    I think it’s a mistake to view gays as an identity. Men having sex with other men is a behavior– there may be several discrete endocrinological, genetic, psychological or environmental reasons why a man would be inclined to have sexual contact with another man. There could be factors which work together to incline one to such behaviors. We know that the prevalence of this behavior can be affected by cultural practices (as in Classical antiquity), and that certain environments such as incarceration incline previously straight men to homosexual behaviors.

    Lesbianism could very well have its own independent causal factors that have nothing whatsoever to do with male homosexuality.

    Now that they have attained a state of near political hegemony there are murmurs again of gays and lesbians who propose that their sexual behavior is, for them, a “choice.” Recall the lavender gestapo “persuading” Cynthia Nixon to walk back her comments to this effect.

    In sum, I don’t think it will wind up being as simple as a single “gay gene” or gestational defect – rather, one or more causal factors will incline one to openness to homosexual behavior, with perhaps a cumulative effect where multiple are present.

  136. @Redneck farmer
    "My ancestors were forced, FORCED, to become the B in LGBT! IT WAS AN ABOMINATION!"

    and now the gene runs in the family (?)…
    and you cannot help but give us all money…
    hmm maybe double because my daughter went lez in college one semester?
    oh and if my cousin was an altar boy, he has some stories to tell, double too? oh and we did see that pic of grandpa as a child wearing a very frilly dress… can we make a case, mr bureaucrat? oh yes, we are also mixed race… oh great! see you at your office in half hour!

  137. @Jonathan Mason

    As gay men are far more likely not only to contract HIV, but to contract other venereal diseases, become alcohol and drug abusers, and attempt suicide, shouldn’t they have to pay more for health insurance?
     
    Everyone should have to pay less for health insurance, even gays. Once you start evaluating group risk factors you will soon be charging more for blacks and native Americans (very prone to the expensive disease diabetes) and there will be no end to the special claims.

    Anyway, don't women have a higher rate of childbirth (a very expensive medical procedure) than men?

    The US would be better off with a cheap and cheerful basic health insurance for all, then let those who want better health insurance buy additional insurance policies according to what they can afford or wish to pay, like in the UK and many other countries.

    as long as they make it optional, not a cashgrab for insurance companies and/or bureaucrats and/or big doctor/pharma. the French model is closer to what you recommend, the UK may offer too much (then again, flooding the country with people more prone to diabetes and heart disease and cousin marriage does not help).

  138. @Desiderius
    That’s my guess too. Could be some tribe/societal fitness benefit from having some gays around, or at least men with weaker propensity to fight for access to women. You know, to be the tip of the gentrification spear for instance.

    not too dissimilar to the priest-warrior division of labor.

    relatedly, priestly classes eventually became less fertile, or at least a small clique, even in religions where they are not celibates you can see this. perhaps too broad a brush, but the warriorlike initiation of the Greeks maybe eventually went gay from too much balls in close proximity (excessive onanism also correlates, lgbts are oversexed usually really), while in other cultures the passive eunuchs eating cakes all the time eventually can get flowery. and so on in other cultures, with common themes such as jail rape, pale reprisal of macho and femme roles, and sadomasochism.
    lesbianism perhaps is similar in evolution, as women who either liked playing with their brothers too much and eventually went butch, or vestal virgin types that were so passive and around women all the time that their fertile man-wanting feminine hormones dried up, eventually becoming relatively feminine enough lesbians (relatively, because this crowd is never truly like their gender acts when naturally ordered).
    sure, none of this is instant. hormones-genes-environs-stimuli pile up across the generations, and in some more than others. but the macro pattern is there i think.

  139. @Ragno
    I'm always intrigued at how deviants and Communists, who rail ceaselessly at the charnel-house horrors of the 1950s, wax tenderly nostalgic at the 30s and 40s, when we're supposed to believe harsh public homophobia was largely mitigated by Nazi-punchin' and the WPA.

    It's kinda like the way the very same folks who get that rosy-cheeked glow remembering all the Nazi-punchin' suddenly blanch in horror at the very thought of giving the Japs the same or worse; somehow managing to forget that Japanese racism, and their race-based atrocities, were just as awful as anything the Jerries managed to inflict on suffering humanity. (Then again, if they were really all that bad, we'd be up to our armpits by now in Rape of Nanking and Unit 731 movies with thrilling John Williams scores, wouldn't we?)

    How long until this one gets out of moderator hell? A week? A month?

    Like every other involuntary resident of Guantanamo, I’m still waiting for a charge of some kind, or some kind of explanation at least. And for the record, have I offended a deviant, a communist, or both?

  140. @Anonymous
    Reparation? Or Preparation H?

    FPBP

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