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Most of the world plays sports that were codified by Victorians speaking English, such as soccer, baseball, basketball, golf, volleyball, tennis, etc. The main holdouts from homogenization, islands of diversity as it were, are, ironically, English-speaking countries,where the Anglo Victorian genius for rules and fair play also flourished. E.g., rugby in New Zealand and South Africa, American football in America, and Australian Rules football in Australia.

Diversity

Ice hockey is a grand Canadian invention that has spread to some other countries where ponds freeze in winter, such as Northern Europe. In the New York Times, however, hockey is racially tainted because most hockey players are white. Therefore, the rise in popularity of the Toronto Raptors’ basketball team in Canada is not another example of the American media-entertainment industry engulfing a once diverse culture. Instead, it is celebrated because the giant blacks (plus, I guess, Marc Gasol) on the Toronto NBA team look like Toronto’s rapidly growing population of South Asians.

Or something. In any case, they are Not White and that’s what counts.

Raptors Fever Takes Toronto, as a Diverse City Embraces a Team That Looks Like It

Nasir Tahir, right, and his cousin Shayan Rajput near their home in a Toronto suburb.

By Ian Austen
June 10, 2019

TORONTO — The young men were shooting baskets near their home in a Toronto suburb on Sunday, but were happy to pause to offer a carefully considered, if partisan, analysis on the Toronto Raptors’ chances of becoming the first non-American team to win the N.B.A. championship.

That famous South Asian leaping ability

“It’s Canada versus everybody,” said Nasir Tahir, 13, as he held a basketball with the Raptors’ black-and-red colors, the team logo long ago erased by the asphalt. “They’ve got it.”

“Hopefully,” he added, in a note of caution.

“Basketball has always been a big part of our lives,” said Nasir, whose parents immigrated from Pakistan.

The sport, said 13-year-old Shayan Rajput, Nasir’s cousin, is “multicultural, it includes everybody.”

Which is of course why there are so many South Asian superstars in the NBA like … uh …

Hockey may be the reigning monarch of sports in Canada, but basketball also has a grip on the country’s imagination. This season, it has been given a lift by the spectacular showing of the Raptors.

The team is on the verge of winning the N.B.A. championship. The Raptors are leading the Golden State Warriors three games to one, and could take the series when they play Game 5 at home on Monday night.

In Toronto and its suburbs, where about half the population consists of people of color, and many are immigrants, it is not just about the basketball. The ethnically and nationally diverse Raptors reflect Canada’s largest city in the 21st century.

“You only see white people playing hockey,” said Andrew Nguyen, 19, whose parents came to Toronto from Vietnam. “But basketball is more like what the nation is like.”

Jeremy Lin is averaging 1.1 points per game for the Raptors in the playoffs, so there’s that.

Anyway, the point is that Toronto is Diverse and the Raptors are about 80% black, so the Raptors aren’t boring and homogenous, they are Super Diverse. Perfect Diversity, of course, would be if everybody in the whole world were a black whose name begins with D and includes an apostrophe. Vibrant cultural diversity will prevail. Some individuals’s favorite things will be basketball followed by hip-hop, while other individuals’ favorites will be hip-hop followed by basketball.

But that utopia of diversity (D’Versyti? D’Versiddi?) is not yet achievable due to White Males, about which something must be done.

iSteve commenter iSteveFan adds:

It is interesting that whenever Whites try to coalesce around an identity it doesn’t take long for the thought police to try to prevent such camaraderie by telling us that Whites have no common history, they’ve often fought against one another, and of course, some Whites don’t consider other Whites White at all.

Contrast that to how they seem to cheer on POC attempting to form some sort of group identity. If you are one of the people making the argument that Whites have no businesses forming an identity due to any of the reasons listed above, or others, then how can you support encouraging the formation of such an identity among POC, who by definition are diverse, and thus would have even less in common than various Whites have with one another?

 
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  1. Ironic that they talk about the diversity of their team, but none of the players are actually Canadian. Whatever.

  2. Global City #6 celebrates sportsball victory!

    • Agree: Lot
    • LOL: L Woods
  3. This is more than a decade old and it’s just as true about Britain as it is about Canada, France, Germany, the Netherlands, etc, etc ….

  4. Bill P says:

    Ironically, a Canadian white guy invented basketball.

    • Replies: @bruce county
    , @Reg Cæsar
  5. Brobert says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Much like the United States, Canada is a sanctuary proposition nation, so it’s better to think of those players (and everyone else on earth) as future or potential Canadians.

  6. Anon7 says:

    Global businessmen and investors see Canada and the United States as big, mostly empty fields that should be fully developed and planted with productive crops, in this case, more people from everywhere in the world.

    I’m convinced that this has already been decided, and we’re late to the discussion.

    If you don’t have control over your borders, you’ve lost your national sovereignty. The United States sold its national sovereignty for $20 trillion dollars. That’s why these investors are happy that their money is well-spent. A lot of this money goes to support the thirty million people who are here illegally, providing them with free money, housing, health care and education.

    There will be one billion people in the United States by 2100 AD. They, too, will look at teams like the Raptors and think “they look just like me!”

  7. I swear that it wasn’t like this when the Blue Jays won the World Series (twice).

  8. Hank Yobo says:

    Ironic that the inventor of basketball was a Scottish-Canadian Presbyterian minister. At least White boys can still skate.

  9. Well, the NBA doesn’t test for marijuana, so if Canadian weed is cheaper than American, the Raptors may have a dynasty.

  10. Toronto is 9% black, so no, the Raptors don’t look like much of Toronto. It really is irritating the way Canadians congratulate themselves on their diversity which is really about erasing culture and getting everyone to rally around that dumb maple leaf. And I looked it up, Ian Austen is of course Canadian.

    • Agree: anon19
  11. The vapid, meaningless, empty drivel that these young men are spewing out is exactly what they have been programmed to think by their globalist teachers. You will see millions of these “people of colour” in Toronto and around Canada… no personality, no culture, no identity, except “Diverse”. By the way, these kids are also gung-ho about gay rights, abortion rights, mass immigration, the whole shebang.

    Perfect globalist zombies.

    I’m quite happy with the hockey teams being all white, personally. It bothers these drones that white people get to enjoy things that they don’t. I would say the decline of hockey has more to do with how soft the game is getting. No more fighting, hitting, or emotion. Furthermore, many cucked dads are letting the moms not let the kids play hockey because of injuries. Also, the NHL is much more focused on expanding into the southern USA.

    Anyways, here is your future! Interchangeable ‘People of Colour’ zombies.

    • Replies: @Prodigal son
    , @S. Anonyia
  12. I was touched by how all the vibrants quoted in the article immediately cited the reason that skatey-punchey…I mean ice hockey is the greatest sport on Earth.

    • Agree: bruce county
  13. D’Versyti

    I like it. Could become a popular baby-name for African American girls.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    , @Neil Templeton
  14. Anyways, Bengali Canadian Dude will lie about this but these kids are representative of 95% of the coloured Toronto kids. Very weak and SJW.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @BengaliCanadianDude
  15. @Bill P

    Its a shame he didnt invent employment…Naaa… what was I thinking..

  16. Most upper-class Canadian whites still associate NBA basketball with ghetto culture and crass vulgarity. Sure, they’ll go to the odd game if the corporation they work throws them tickets, but their hearts aren’t really into it. The white people who are hard-core Raptor fans I see around town tend to live in community housing and lack university education. A fat white girl with a black boyfriend, for example. Or some drooling wigger in a Tupac t-shirt who I saw being interviewed today on City TV News by a Muslim woman in a hijab.

    It’s a different story for South Asians though. I see scores of professional Indians in town who are die-hard Raptor fans. They are the second generation from the Global South who are comfortable uniting together in a milieu which isn’t considered “too white”. Unlike regular whites in Canada, they have the right to be as ostentatious as they want to be. I can’t count the number of times I heard flashy Indians use any excuse to brag that they’re going to the Raptors game and where their seats are located.

    Since the 1990s, Jewish billionaire Larry Tanenbaum has continually solidified his control over both the Raptors and the NHL’s flagship franchise the Toronto Maple Leafs. By now he has fully taken over the reigns of power from these franchises’ previous Anglo-WASP founders. Go to any Leafs game and the majority of the concierges, public relations and security staff you will see working at Scotiabank Arena are black. Jews love to diversify the organizations they buy by simply blackening them. Canadian whites have nothing to say about it. I went to a Leafs game this season and all I saw on the big screen were lame corporate ads praising diversity and 10-minutes of rap played by a 12-year old Indo-Canadian D.J. during the second intermission.

    People say the Raptors are “Canada’s Team” but they’re really not. The Raptors are very much a Toronto thing. Invented by whites. Run by Jews. Loved and taken over by immigrants.

  17. @Bragadocious

    Why do you think the colour matters? What matters is that whitey is not represented in the sport, meaning it’s diverse.

    It’s funny to see the old boomers on here trying to “factz and logeec” around this stuff. It’s simple.

    They hate whites, and want them replaced or dead.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
  18. @Cagey Beast

    Meanwhile in the real world: Toronto TFR (total fertility rate) for Toronto is 1.17. These non-whites take the bluepill so hard and do not reproduce.

    Of course it doesn’t matter as they have billions of replacements who could come in.

    • Replies: @Tired of Not Winning
  19. Anon[211] • Disclaimer says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    What about the Punjabis/Sikhs?

  20. @Cagey Beast

    Hmm . . . you found a unicorn – a conventionally pretty woman in an Islamic headcovering approximating the stylized images.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  21. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Nah they aren’t. I can show many pozzed white kids too( look in the 6ixbuzz comments section, or look at Debby). They’re just saying this because the interviewer propped them up and made them rehearse these lines. I would say it’s pretty insignificant. The number is not that high

  22. @Canadian Observer

    To be fair, it’s not like Anglo Ballard was any better! But Conn Smythe was a beaut though.

    The problem with hockey is that it’s culture is totally changing. It’s no longer blue collar, rough, punchy, rowdy and exciting. It’s a dead sports arena where executives go and schmooze with each other. Women’s hockey is constantly promoted. The announcers are probably gay. Yes, all the employees are negroes or Muslim.

    Even myself, a die-hard fan growing up is no longer too interested in the NHL. Sure, I love to play it, but playing at the local rink with the boys is way different than the corporate shitshow on TV. NHL is expanding in the USA but the hockey culture is totally gone from the NHL level now, and the OHL too.

    Very sad.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    , @Anon
  23. @Anon

    Any kid that goes through the Canadian school system is a cuck, full stop. Some (20%) of white kids aren’t fully cucked because they have a large, old stock conservative family that keeps them somewhat straight.

  24. njguy73 says:
    @Half Canadian

    That was my first thought. The ’92-’93 Blue Jays were the first Series champ managed by a non-White. They included a Jamaican (Devon White,) multiple Dominicans (Alfredo Griffin, Juan Guzman,) multiple African-Americans (Joe Carter, Dave Stewart,) and was anyone yammering about the wonders of diversity? No. It was just an awesome ball club.

    • Replies: @mbm
  25. Forbes says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Could become a popular baby-name for African American girls.

    Well, it is an improvement from LaTrina…

    • Replies: @TWS
  26. @Canadian Observer

    City TV News by a Muslim woman in a hijab.

    When was this? I see what looks to be a Muslim girl on CP24 broadcasting from another channel but she doesnt wear a headscarf

    10-minutes of rap played by a 12-year old Indo-Canadian D.J.

    Filthy, this needs to stop by the way.

  27. When I was a young boy my father explained to me that Canada is nothing more than a dumping zone for the excess population of the old British Empire. He was right.

    • Disagree: Hail
  28. JohnnyD says:

    Well, the MLB has a black Canadian in the Hall of Fame: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_Jenkins
    That’s pretty diverse!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  29. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    How can you tell if they are muslim though…? What colour of muslim are they? Subcontie like me? Arab? Persian? Negroid? If they’re negroid, just group em with the negroids. The NHL(hockey in general) has always been LAME and BORING. Even white kids don’t like playing it and people have gradually ceased playing it and moved on to other sports( like BASED saw-ker) because of the injurious nature of the sport with all the fighting and violence, the concussions, the broken body parts, the high “operational costs” and ” start up cost”(with all the expensive skates, sticks, helmets, this guard that guard, the renting of the rink), and because oit is a seasons oriented sport. It’s just not worth it

  30. @BengaliCanadianDude

    They’re just saying this because the interviewer propped them up and made them rehearse these lines.

    They rehearse these lines every day at school.

    I can show many pozzed white kids too

    Of course. The vast majority of all races are pozzed. But a higher percentage (20%) of white kids avoid it, whereas 98% of non white kids become globalist tools.

    • Agree: Clyde
  31. anon[716] • Disclaimer says:

    Whoops, there goes the last strand which bound us together as Canadians. Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, FOB Asians and Africans all good and true Canadians because they love hockey.

    But I suppose anti-Americanism still holds us together, although that will dissolve after the next President POC takes office in a decade or so and we’re one big, happy and brown continent

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  32. @Alec Leamas

    You do realize that’s not my tweet, don’t you?

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
  33. @Anon

    What about them? That is who Franco is referring to. Sikhs/Punjabis are the earliest Indian diaspora Populations in The West, with the gurdwaras in Stockton, with the Kogamaru incident(schoolboy Canadian history stuff, still remember), and because many wanted to try their fortunes in the lands they visited while working as part of the contingent for the Brits.. it’s hard to examine the ethnicity, but if we use language, a very substantial population of the INDOCANADIANS are Punjabis

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Dr Van Nostrand
    , @anon19
  34. PaceLaw says:

    “Instead, it is celebrated because the giant blacks (plus, I guess, Marc Gasol) on the Toronto NBA team look like Toronto’s rapidly growing population of South Asians.”

    Interesting that a lot of South Asians appear to be fans of an overwhelmingly black team. If I’m not mistaken, South Asians are known for their contempt and dislike of the black community. I guess the saying holds true that “everybody loves a winner.”

  35. eagles says:

    Canadians outside of Toronto have little interest in the Raptors. They are Toronto’s team
    Drake has probably never been anywhere in Canada besides Toronto

    And support for the Raptors , even in Toronto, would be muted if the Leafs were in the Stanley Cup final right now,

  36. Canadian RJ Barrett will probably be one of the top three selections in the 2019 NBA draft. He wants to play for the NY Knicks. Barrett is from the Toronto suburb of Mississauga. He went to Montverde Academy, a sports high school in Florida, and played one season at Duke. Barrett’s birthday is June 14 which is Flag Day in the US. His parents were both Division I athletes at St. Johns University in Queens, NY. His father played basketball and his mother ran track. The father played professional basketball in Europe and Barrett learned to speak French while living in France.

    Barrett’s father is Canadian and his mother is American. I believe all four of his grandparents are Jamaican. Barrett’s godfather is NBA Hall of Famer Steve Nash. Nash was born in South Africa to English and Welsh parents.

    Barret’s father, Rowan, was under contract with the Toronto Raptors twice and the Philadelphia 76ers once, but never played in the NBA. He is currently the general manager of the senior men’s basketball team for Canada Basketball.

  37. anon[716] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cagey Beast

    Draft copy of updated national anthem leaked –

    O Canada!
    The first post-national state!
    True comradely love in all of us command.
    With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
    The True North with no core identity
    From far and wide,
    O Canada we stand for diversity
    Oh please keep our glorious equity

    (in 2015 Justin Trudeau mused to The New York Times Magazine that “There is no core identity, no mainstream in Canada. Trudeau then asserted that “Canada is the world’s first post-national state.)

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  38. Anon[211] • Disclaimer says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    NHL has super old fans too. There’s very little youth interest in hockey.

    Even when I go to WHL games, I struggle to see anyone under 40 (except small children who are there involuntarily). 20 years ago, lots of youths used to show up.

    • Replies: @Prodigal son
  39. @JohnnyD

    The goalie on Wayne Gretzky’s teams 35 years ago, Grant Fuhr, was part black.

  40. Anon[211] • Disclaimer says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    How popular is MLS in Toronto and Montreal?

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  41. Anon[211] • Disclaimer says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Yeah, but White parents still push their sons into hockey.

    The basic problem with hockey is that you can’t see the puck on tv.

  42. Travis says:

    Shocking that Toronto is considered Diverse while being 48% white and just 9% Black.

    While Boston Latin, which is Boston’s equivalent of Stuyvesant, was described as being overwhelmingly white according to our elite media. Yet Boston Latin has similar demographics to “diverse” Toronto , 47% white and 8% Black. Identical to the Black-white demographics of Toronto.

    Diverse Toronto verse White Boston Latin
    white — 48% ———–47%
    Black- — 9% ————-8%
    Asian — 32% ———–28%

    “in 2019 America, however, 46.8% white counts as “overwhelmingly white.”- Steve Sailer

  43. Bugg says:
    @Half Canadian

    Joe Carter, Dave Winfield and Cito Gaston, not diverse enough.

  44. jeppo says:

    NBA players don’t like playing for Toronto because, unlike every other NBA city, there’s no “African-American” culture here. The blacks are all recent Caribbean or African imports with different food, drink, music, hangouts, style etc.

    The number of genuine African Americans in Toronto is minuscule, probably only a couple thousand, some of them transients. Pinball Clemons is probably the most notable one, black football player from the States who actually lives in Toronto.

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
    , @Bigby
  45. @Niccolo Salo

    You’ve been telling the internet that for more than a decade Niccolo. It seems you will never forgive Canada for taking in your family. You’re kind of the male equivalent of Sara Rao. Whatever that Brit soccer coach did to you back in Hamilton, move on man.

  46. indocon says:

    Can Obama join in when the Raptors go visit Trudeau? I can almost predict Trump’s tweet about this when Warriors loose who made noise about going to see Obama in DC when they win again.

  47. D’in D’u N’uffin.

  48. From Revelation 21:

    Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away . . . And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God is its light, and its lamp is the Lamb. The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it. Its gates will never be shut by day—and there will be no night there. People will bring into it the glory and the honor of the nations.

    SJW/progressive attempts to patch together a sad simulacrum of the City of God is the corporate manifestation of their substitute savior syndrome.

    Big sporting events sometimes succeed in briefly uniting people from many backgrounds and walks of life. Since the SJWs fail in every other attempt to rebuild Babel, they glom onto sports — which many of them frankly despise — as a last-ditch way of bringing in ‘the glory and honor of the nations’.

    I see this in some of my leftie contemporaries. When we were at school/college together, they could not have been more contemptuous to sports and athletes. But now they leap onto the athletic bandwagon du jour as an easy way to virtue signal.

  49. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    They hate whites, and want them replaced or dead.

    Ok Stormfront dude.

    Btw who’s they? White Canadian Ian Austen? Excuse me, white Canadian gentile Ian Austen?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  50. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    because of the injurious nature of the sport with all the fighting and violence, the concussions

    Something tells me you haven’t watched NHL hockey during the last decade and a half.

  51. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    The decline of Hockey is also due to our changing demographics , with fewer and fewer whites to participate or view the games.

  52. Basketball is more popular among the foreign element than you would think. Years ago in grad school I was talking to another student who was from Egypt and quite the conservative Muslim – head scarf and all. I can’t recall for the nonce why Karl Malone came up, but when I mentioned his name, she said, “You mean de Mailman?”

  53. @Cagey Beast

    You do realize that’s not my tweet, don’t you?

    Yes.

  54. @jeppo

    Not that the players think about this, but aren’t taxes much higher in Canada? I think every NBA player has to pay something to Canada, because road games played in Toronto count as income earned in Canada. But the Raptors’ players, even if they aren’t domiciled in Canada, get taxed on all the home games, or half of their income.

  55. @anon

    Rollerball (1975) predicted this. “Ladies and gentlemen, our corporate anthem”.

    • Replies: @Cortes
  56. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m not going to read the article and just assume they mention former penniless immigrant/Raptors superfan Nav Bhatia, because the media is about to anoint the local Hyundai dealership owner king.

    Interesting fact. Bhatia does not appear to employee any black people, even though one of his dealerships is located in one of the blackest sections of Toronto.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  57. TWS says:
    @415 reasons

    There’s like what, a few thousand chimps left in the wild? And how do they know it’s chimp not people? This is deeply creepy.

  58. @Anon

    20 years ago the white youth population was 20% higher than today….. in another 10 years the white youth population will be even lower.

  59. @BengaliCanadianDude

    How can you tell if they are muslim though

    Because they are usually seething with rage underneath their calm exterior.

    because of the injurious nature of the sport with all the fighting and violence, the concussions, the broken body parts

    Aka white kids got soft. The violence was the best part about playing the game, growing up. But the soccer pansy moms have shoehorned their way in, removed body checking, and ended the violent aspect (as well as the gladiator mentality) of the sport.

    high “operational costs” and ” start up cost”(with all the expensive skates, sticks, helmets, this guard that guard, the renting of the rink)

    This is totally true. None of the great players (Howe, Gretzky, Orr etc.) could have afforded to play growing up if the costs were as high as they are now. Really sad. Again part of the greater trend of the sport becoming less blue collar and becoming more corporate cocksucker elite.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  60. @anon

    Uhh… it’s anti-whiteism that holds the country together, my guy.

    I’ll give you a hint: whites aren’t included in the future plans for the continent.

    • Replies: @anon
  61. njguy73 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Grant Fuhr. Yet another example of Diversity Before Diversity. Won five Stanley Cups, retired 12th all-time in goalie wins, made the Hockey Hall Of Fame. But I don’t remember anyone making him out to be “the goalie who looks like Canada,” or anything like that.

  62. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Toronto’s fertility is 1.17 because most of the population is nonwhite, and under 17. Wait another 10 years. It’ll inch closer and closer to Pakistan’s.

  63. @Bill P

    Ironically, a Canadian white guy invented basketball.

    And football. McGill came down to Harvard.

  64. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:

    “You only see white people playing hockey,” said Andrew Nguyen, 19, whose parents came to Toronto from Vietnam. “But basketball is more like what the nation is like.”

    Jeremy Lin is averaging 1.1 points per game for the Raptors in the playoffs, so there’s that.

    Hey don’t sell ethnic narcissism short. When Lin was traded to Toronto for the umpteenth stop in his never-ending tour of mediocrity, it was headline news in local Chinese-language media.

    Andrew Nguyen has somehow missed the fact that hockey has been bending over backwards to accommodate diversity and welcome minorities for a couple of decades without getting any credit or gratitude(sound familiar?). A few years ago CBC actually went so far as to have Hockey Night in Canada not just in English and French, but Manadarin, Urdu, and Punjabi. Only the latter surivies in the form of periodic broadcasts. The others fizzled do to lack of interest and despite having completely non-white broadcast teams.

  65. Ice hockey is a grand Canadian invention…

    No, it isn’t. It was the creation of British soldiers on Canadian ice. They were already playing bandy back home, back when the British winter was much colder.

    Canadians did invent basketball and “American” football, both in Massachusetts.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1874_Harvard_vs._McGill_football_game

    There was even a claim that baseball was invented in Ontario. But baseball wasn’t invented anywhere, it grew organically.

  66. @Bragadocious

    Of course. We’re his only real competition. Not wanting us dead exactly, but uninterested in our welfare and for snobbery reasons holding us in such contempt that that which is to our detriment takes on a whole new appeal.

  67. @The Last Real Calvinist

    They felt the power of the dark matter that opposes them when they went for the straight up takeover of ESPN.

  68. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    There have been a number of high-profile non-white NHL players since. The NHL has almost certainly had more players of South and east Asian descent than the NBA, not to mention Indians/Metis stars. Doesn’t matter, it’s never enough. As long as there are white people, it’s contaminated.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
  69. @Anonymous

    I’ve met the dude( so has a lot of people). He’s a genuine guy and he really does CARE about the new people and the sorts. He did start from the bottom, and the record he set in terms of selling cars is still unbeaten . Say what you want, but Nav Bhatia on in individual level, is a great guy

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  70. istevefan says:

    It is interesting that whenever Whites try to coalesce around an identity it doesn’t take long for the thought police to try to prevent such camaraderie by telling us that Whites have no common history, they’ve often fought against one another, and of course, some Whites don’t consider other Whites White at all.

    Contrast that to how they seem to cheer on POC attempting to form some sort of group identity. If you are one of the people making the argument that Whites have no businesses forming an identity due to any of the reasons listed above, or others, then how can you support encouraging the formation of such an identity among POC, who by definition are diverse, and thus would have even less in common than various Whites have with one another?

    It’s similar to when the thought police tell Whites we have no right to celebrate the glories of European civilization because we did not do anything to contribute to European civilization, while remaining mute when blacks and hispanics have their history months in which they celebrate the accomplishments of people who came before them.

  71. @Anon

    Oh, Toronto FC when they(Can I say we? I regularly attend games) was vastly popular amongst any and all ethnic groups, including your very own(whites). You should’ve seen the celebrations(or rather have been there). The bars were packed and the public venues used as viewing spots were packed to the brim. My buddy couldn’t get tickets( I did) and he told me that the whole place was buzzing where he watched it (Liberty Village). If you see our games, we always get a good crowd, and the atmosphere within our stadiums is quite impressive for a rather “new” team like us( as we only began in 2007). Montreal has these nice bells which they ring whenever they score, and credit where credit is due, they do have a (slightly) better ambiance (for now). The whole city(Toronto) was in a particularly great mood after the victory, and you shouldve seen all the reaction videos

  72. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Newspapers now generally view sports as a brutal, lowbrow plantation of patriarchy — unless they are handed a story they can frame in terms of feel-good diversity, grrrrrl power or “pride.”

    Sports used to be USA Today’s bread and butter, for example. Now its sports section is dominated by resentful wimmen dishing social justice instead of stats. The men there and elsewhere dare not utter a contradictory peep

  73. istevefan says:
    @Half Canadian

    What was it like just 4 years ago when the Blue Jays made a big run in 2015? As a Royals fan I could not believe how crazy the home crowd in Toronto was. Their incessant chanting actually caused Johnny Cueto to melt down. He gave up 7 runs in less than 3 innings.

    Also, the noise when the roof was closed was deafening. Listen to the sound of the crowd when Jose Bautista hit a homerun in the division series against the Rangers. The noise and the bat flip were epic.

    • Replies: @Captain Tripps
  74. @istevefan

    hey’ve often fought against one another

    That’s objectively true. How can you even deny such a well-estabilished, undeniable fact? It’s not even debatable. You HAVE fought each other in the past, and you will continue fighting each other, as you always have. You can name the subversive ((elements)) but that is the truth.

    some Whites don’t consider other Whites White at all

    Again, another fact. I’m not even being disinegenous and I certainly do not intend to obfuscate things by pretending otherwise, but there are plenty of whites who regularly can’t seem to pick a concrete, irrevocable definition of what constitutes “white”. People here MAY be different however, this site is not the most meticulous representation of the viewpoints held by many on the WigNat side of things.

    hen blacks and hispanics have their history months in which they celebrate the accomplishments of people who came before them.

    Hispanics do have things to be proud of, but what the hell do blacks even have? Nothing major that I can think of.

    have no common history

    Sure but you are trying to emanate that the universal quality which affixes the Whites with each other is melanin, even withstanding all the obvious cultural clashes which they have fought intra-racially, free from involvement from the other races. You are attempting to portray the narrative that whites have always been equal, and on the same wavelength solely because of their skin, but this is not the case, nor has it ever been.

    definition are diverse,

    Meh I dont support people being shoved rabid diversity down their throats

  75. Noah says:

    Steve,

    I believe the French codified tennis. I learned that the reason we keep score as 15, 30, 40, game is that the French used to have their money in denominations of 15, and the 45 got shortened to 40, much the same as tennis players regularly call the first point 5 instead of 15. And the reason 0 is called love is that it’s actually l’oeuf, for egg, or zero.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  76. bbtp says:

    Brad Katsuyama, the Canadian banker (of Japanese background) who is one of the heroes of Michael Lewis’s Flash Boys, was a hockey player. In one memorable scene, he walked out of a diversity training at his NY banking job, saying that it was the first time in his life that he’d been made to feel like a minority. Then he exposed abuses in the high-frequency trading market and started his own exchange to combat them.

    That used to be what racial harmony looked like in Canada. A Canadian from a non-white background exemplified the best Canadian norms of honesty and fair dealing and was offended at any suggestion that he should nurture racial resentments. This is what people used to mean when they said, “X is a better Canadian than I am.” But no longer.

    Canada has indeed Americanized. Now every sawed-off twit fresh off the boat feels entitled to bash his new country and the suckers who welcomed him. What exactly is stopping people from fitting in? The toxic SJW culture of hating whitey.

  77. SDMatt says:

    The story in Brampton is not the Pakistani kids’ love for basketball but rather the masses of ancient Sikhs in obvious need of hip replacement surgery.

    Raps just lost Game 5.

    Part of the decline for hockey can be attributed to the beta-maleing of boys.

    • Replies: @Pontius
  78. @Noah

    There’s an indoor Real Tennis match in the 1973 movie of The Three Musketeers.

    But modern Lawn Tennis was organized at Wimbledon in the 1870s?

    • Replies: @Anonymoose
    , @Noah
  79. 68W58 says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Bill Buckley was telling lefties “don’t immanentize the eschaton” at least 40 years ago (and he got it from Eric Voegelin before that). But they never listen, “we are the ones we’ve been waiting for” resonated with them because they believe that they are special and unique and that they can avoid the mistakes others have made. When it all comes to tears they console themselves that they had the best of intentions and move on to the next catastrophic mistake.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    , @Anon
  80. anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Prodigal son

    The way hockey is done today is so different from how the game developed, it’s a dead culture anyway. It’s a totally artificial corporate hustle now. The old time greats wouldn’t recognize what the sport has become today.

    That said, the fan base of the Maple Leafs and the Raptors are like two separate tribes. The Maple Leafs are deeply rooted in the ‘Old’ Canada, while the Raptors really are a reflection of the new global culture that any immigrant can easily latch onto. There is something creepy about the whole pro sports industry today. There is nothing organic about it. I find sports broadcasts today intensely irritating. The incessant, slick commercials are like mini propaganda films sledgehammering at you. I hate it. I would literally prefer to go watch some Peewees play at the local rink.

    • Replies: @Canadian Observer
  81. SDMatt says:

    Holy crap. The GS Director of Basketball Operations is on TV crying – literally – about Kevin Durant injuring himself. Beta cuck!

  82. @anonymous

    I think those ads are purposely designed to turn old stock Canadians off of hockey.

    I watch NHL games on livestream so as to avoid the CBC’s ads aimed at humiliating white men.

    • Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon
  83. @Niccolo Salo

    He is indeed right. What the f*** is a Canada anyway other than “Hey we’re not America” or “Hey we’re America-lite”. So anyone can be considered a Canadian just because of some shitty identification documents papers or a passport which you can get just by staying there for a mere 2-3 years!! Or you have to assimilate into Canadian “values” which is just supporting faggotry, teenages loping off their private things “to be their true selves”, muh tolerance, muh diversity, muh democracy, muh hoomane ritz all of which are just the same cookie cutter globohomo values imposed across the west.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    , @AnotherDad
  84. @Steve Sailer

    His nickname should have been “The Grand Führer”

  85. @Tired of Not Winning

    nah. despite your blackpill it’s not true. Nobody has kids in Toronto regardless of their race.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  86. Uncle Dan says:

    If the only competitors between nations was basketball, it wouldn’t matter.

  87. @Steve Sailer

    Lawn Tennis has been hosted at Wimbledon since 1877. At the All England Lawn Tennis and Croquet Club. Lawn Tennis was the predecessor to modern day sport of Tennis.

    https://www.historic-uk.com/CultureUK/The-History-of-the-Wimbledon-Tennis-Championships/

    https://www.visitlondon.com/things-to-do/event/9001260-wimbledon-lawn-tennis-championships

  88. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Got the vast majority of whites it’s only used as a negative identity – what we’re not (black).

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  89. sb says:

    Canadian basketball seems to be rather similar to elite English soccer
    The only locals with any involvement – or at least the only ones with local passports – are the fans

    Mind you pointing this out is officially verboten

  90. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Wokeness kills TFR. That’s why it’s being pushed so hard (cf. Jaffe memo).

    It’s the immoral equivalent of war.

  91. anon[102] • Disclaimer says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Explicit anti-whiteism in Canada is not so much of a force yet, but it of course on the rise. Most of it is still hunched under the anti-Western cloak. More ethnic ward politicking now with ethno-religious voting blocks who hate each other than they hate whites.

    Anti-Americanism does sound a little quaint now, come to think of it. A relic of the past? Certainly dormant while Obama was in power, and all the animus these days is directed against The Donald, himself. Anti-Americanism perhaps absorbed by the anti-white/Western movement.

  92. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Tired of Not Winning

    Thinking about that Indian woman’s proposal that the West open its borders to Global South immigrants, I would suggest a counter proposal: we simply swap geographies. Everyone from Africa, India, and Latin America moves to Europe and North America (ex-Mexico), and everyone from Europe and North America moves south.

    A change of scenery to warm climates might increase western fertility, and northern winters might add selection pressures to the new inhabitants.

    • Replies: @Cowboy Shaw
    , @anon
  93. Cicerone says:
    @Tired of Not Winning

    Nope, the TFR is immune to age structure. Its calculation already takes this into account. Toronto is a sterile city, and even suburbanites don‘t have kids there. The whole 7.5 million people Toronto area has a TFR of 1.3 children per woman, similar to Tokyo.

    I am wondering why we don‘t hear stories about hard pressed Torontonians foregoing sex. At least this has been told over Japan all the time.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  94. @Buffalo Joe

    “Ironic that they talk about the diversity of their team, but none of the players are actually Canadian. Whatever.”

    Where’s the irony? Having none of your own nationals, like having >80% minorities is textbook diversity. In that repect, American baseball might actually be more diverse than American Football. Discuss.

  95. Pericles says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Ironic that they talk about the diversity of their team, but none of the players are actually Canadian.

    Isn’t that, after all, the most diverse of all?

  96. LondonBob says:

    There was a fictional book about a Nazi occupied Britain, eventually the Nazis hit upon the idea of importing German football stars to play for English teams to win over the populace, it works.

    Cricket and Rugby have served to keep Britain, Australia, New Zealand and to a lesser extent South Africa bonded. Canada’s embrace of US sports has meant they have drifted apart, despite the outstanding record of Canadian service alongside the rest of the British Empire in WWI and WWII.

  97. Pericles says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    I’m not even being disinegenous and I certainly do not intend to obfuscate things by pretending otherwise, but there are plenty of whites who regularly can’t seem to pick a concrete, irrevocable definition of what constitutes “white”.

    Now you’re being disindigenous.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  98. Pericles says:

    NBA feels like a forced meme anyway.

    Of course, it’s forced by a certain people owning the league so it might still work.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
  99. Cortes says:

    Perhaps the South Asians of Canada could adapt cricket to ice? Might be a significant improvement on the original; the whole meaning of “spin bowler” could migrate with the game. Style points for the spin on top of any “runs” made.

  100. The main holdouts from homogenization, islands of diversity as it were, are, ironically, English-speaking countries,where the Anglo Victorian genius for rules and fair play also flourished. E.g., rugby in New Zealand and South Africa, American football in America, and Australian Rules football in Australia.

    Sorry to break it to you, old sport, but the indigenous influence on the creation of Aussie Rules was confirmed ages ago by historical transcripts.

    And it’s not “Australian Rules”, it’s “Marngrook” to all but old white men destined for the hanging wall any day now.

    On a side note: I eagerly await publication of my research findings into First Nation influence on the creation of Ice Hockey. A paper will soon be published in the prestigious journal Indigenous Peoples Invented all Sport, detailing a Sanikiluaq Inuit game with frozen walrus testicles and a deer-antler stick (aka iksruuk aiyauppiak – or “testicle stick”, in the local language). It clearly predates the whites-only game of Ice Hockey, and will send shock waves through its racist fan base.

    You know I’m right. And there’s nothing you can do but get on the woke bus and drive as far and as fast you can.

  101. @Anonymoose

    Yes, official Canada is a sad joke (the same way official Sweden, Britain and the USA are) but there are millions of us children of British North America and New France actually getting on with living here. The Globohomo Empire will eventually collapse and there will still be quite a few of us left, here and there across the northern half of North America.

  102. Zoodles says:

    The only ‘diverse’ population with any interest in ice hockey are the sikhs. For some odd reason the Sikhs are the most batshit insane fans, esp of the vancouver canucks.

    Most non-diverse canadians could care less about the raptors. Sure, they are cheering now that the raptors are in the finals, but overall..the ethnically canadian people outside the greater toronto dont really care much.

  103. Stillhere says:
    @Bragadocious

    The joke’s on Toronto (and the GTA). We checked out 15 years ago for parts north, and ever since, each year has seen more and more friends joining us. Today, Toronto has been diversified to the point that it literally has no discernible culture or identity to mark itself, just the relentless growth of ethnic enclaves. We no longer hold any business meetings in the city, it’s become such a poorly planned transportation mess that we simply lose too much time just in getting around. ‘Diversity’ is what Canadian political parties desperately try to sell voters when they have no other accomplishments, appealing to ‘Christian values’ with the aim of having Christians undermine themselves. Toronto as an urban environment has become inefficient, incoherent and ultimately unsustainable.

    • Replies: @Pontius
    , @Reg Cæsar
  104. Zoodles says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Again, another fact. I’m not even being disinegenous and I certainly do not intend to obfuscate things by pretending otherwise, but there are plenty of whites who regularly can’t seem to pick a concrete, irrevocable definition of what constitutes “white”. People here MAY be different however, this site is not the most meticulous representation of the viewpoints held by many on the WigNat side of things.

    Can you define in concrete irrevocable terms what a puddle is?

  105. Whatever we call it, can we at least spell it homogeneous and not homogenous?

  106. @istevefan

    I’ll see your Bautista, and raise you a Miguel Monteiro 8th inning grannie against the Dodgers (sorry Steve) in Game 1 of the 2016 NLCS; pretty loud for an outdoor stadium.

  107. Brutusale says:

    At the participation level, hockey is still a dominant sport up here in New England. Of the four major sports, it’s the one where local kids can reasonably dream of making it to the big time, as represented by one of Buffalo Joe’s team’s talented young players, Chelmsford MA product and 22-year old team captain Jack Eichel. Even in the 60s, the NHL Bruins, an also-ran squad pre-Bobby Orr, regularly outdrew the perennial champion Celtics.

    The city’s worst-run franchise, the Bruins will be taking the ice Wednesday in game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals. It’s about time, as Boston has gone almost 5 months since its last trophy ceremony!

    I imagine that the rest of the world will be rooting for the St. Louis Blues. I don’t blame them, as the run of championships won by Boston franchises in the 21st Century borders on the ridiculous.

  108. Brutusale says:
    @Captain Tripps

    Still the gold standard:

    Fisk is a native New Englander from Bellows Falls, VT. A defender of the old school, I remember his threat to give Deion Sanders a beatdown as much as his famous home run.

    http://www.chicagonow.com/soxnet/2015/09/when-pudge-met-neon-deion/

    • Agree: Captain Tripps
  109. istevefan says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    That’s objectively true. How can you even deny such a well-estabilished, undeniable fact? It’s not even debatable. You HAVE fought each other in the past, and you will continue fighting each other, as you always have. You can name the subversive ((elements)) but that is the truth.

    And where did I write that this was not true? I wrote that it is brought up as a way to prevent Whites today from coming closer together.

    On other hand there are well-established, undeniable facts that various POC have been fighting each other, enslaving each other and generally disliking each other for long periods of time too. Yet POC, in the Western world, are encouraged to come together and their past, and in some cases present conflicts, are kept out of sight to prevent it from fracturing the nascent coalition.

    Again, another fact. I’m not even being disinegenous and I certainly do not intend to obfuscate things by pretending otherwise, but there are plenty of whites who regularly can’t seem to pick a concrete, irrevocable definition of what constitutes “white”.

    I will not go into detail on this Noel Ignatiev line of thought on this post. People on this blog have covered it before. Suffice it to say that the Naturalization Act of 1790, which limited naturalization to free Whites, naturalized those Whites Ignatiev said were not White.

    Sure but you are trying to emanate that the universal quality which affixes the Whites with each other is melanin, even withstanding all the obvious cultural clashes which they have fought intra-racially, free from involvement from the other races. You are attempting to portray the narrative that whites have always been equal, and on the same wavelength solely because of their skin, but this is not the case, nor has it ever been.

    What you just wrote can be used to critique the POC coalition being formed in Western nations.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  110. ‘one of the people making the argument that Whites have no businesses forming an identity due to any of the reasons listed above, or others, then how can you support encouraging the formation of such an identity among POC, who by definition are diverse, and thus would have even less in common than various Whites have with one another?’

    CHUTZPAH – Noun, Yiddish

  111. @Dave Pinsen

    It would be interesting to see how the Indians worked the outdoor physical jobs required to hold together a successful cold economy like Canada, rather than fag around in office jobs in Toronto.

  112. @istevefan

    Love you man, but you’re trying to square a circle and even if you succeed you’re playing right into the hands of your adversaries. White identity is somewhere below Redneck identity.

    They play up ethnic identity for non-whites because that keeps them away from American identity (their main rivals) and the Globalist identity (their own) because that requires deracination for entry. They’re actively ghettoizing them.

    • Disagree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @mbm
    , @istevefan
  113. @Anonymous

    When the Penguins traded in 2002 for Ramzi Abid — a Montreal-born winger of Tunisian descent — a local sportswriter got in trouble for a crack about Pittsburgh just acquiring “the 20th hijacker”

  114. @Pericles

    They’re reportedly discussing whether “owner” is too racist a term, too redolent of the plantation

  115. mbm says:
    @njguy73

    White (as sin) guy here.

    Don’t know or care who these invaders are. Don’t want ANYTHING, not even a hint, to do with these, these, these … All I know is this is not going to end in a kumbaya Canada. THEY will play “their” basketball while the streets/infrastructure around them crumble.

  116. @The Last Real Calvinist

    I see this in some of my leftie contemporaries. When we were at school/college together, they could not have been more contemptuous to sports and athletes. But now they leap onto the athletic bandwagon du jour as an easy way to virtue signal.

    They were on an anti-athletic bandwagon in school, unfortunately. Likely they were dying to cheer on the team and collect stats, but someone sent them the signal that that’s lowbrow.

    During the world cup, you’re supposed to suddenly care about sports for a few weeks and openly root against the US.

    Anyway, this is all more funny because Golden State won rather surprisingly last night.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  117. David “Big Papi” Ortiz shot in the Dominican for sleeping with a druglord’s wife? Now that’s some baseball diversity for you.

  118. mbm says:
    @Desiderius

    The Stranger
    by Rudyard Kipling

    The Stranger within my gate,
    He may be true or kind,
    But he does not talk my talk–
    I cannot feel his mind.
    I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
    But not the soul behind.

    The men of my own stock,
    They may do ill or well,
    But they tell the lies I am wanted to,
    They are used to the lies I tell;
    And we do not need interpreters
    When we go to buy or sell.

    The Stranger within my gates,
    He may be evil or good,
    But I cannot tell what powers control–
    What reasons sway his mood;
    Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
    Shall repossess his blood.

    The men of my own stock,
    Bitter bad they may be,
    But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
    And see the things I see;
    And whatever I think of them and their likes
    They think of the likes of me.

    This was my father’s belief
    And this is also mine:
    Let the corn be all one sheaf–
    And the grapes be all one vine,
    Ere our children’s teeth are set on edge
    By bitter bread and wine.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    , @Desiderius
  119. Anglo Victorian genius for rules and fair play

    Err Steve, the ghosts of the Boer women and children who died in British concentration camps would like a word with you.

  120. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Toronto has been swamped by SL Tamils though whose gangs outgunned Punjabi gangs and ran them out of town.
    Indians in Vancouver are still mostly Punjabi though the landlords are all Chinese technically.

  121. @BengaliCanadianDude

    “And because it is a seasons oriented sport”.
    You are kidding me right. We can make ice in the desert if we wanted to.
    You do know theres a team playing hockey on Africa.
    I wonder what season they play in.
    Soccer is BORING!!! games ending in a tie.. many times 0-0. Look at the size of the goal….lol..How do you miss. Soccer is for mommas boys.. soy kids who are planning a gender change.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  122. @stillCARealist

    Uh, in the Women’s World Cup we USonians are supposed to be worshipping the stunning, brave, and engaged lesbian starters.

    I can’t wait for the inevitable Lesbian Bed Death and ongoing saga of highly publicized, brutal DV call transcripts that will result.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
  123. Old Prude says:
    @istevefan

    This is correct. The examples are numerous, but to pick one from my experience, West Point allowed a club called The Contemporary Affairs Forum which was implicitly all-black. I’ve often wondered what kind of psycho-babble and lies the weasels and cowards who run USMA would come up with to explain why that was OK** while an implicitly all-white club would be unthinkable.

    **Speaking of which: This is allowed https://dailycaller.com/2016/05/11/west-point-rules-black-power-salute-cadet-photo-was-not-political/ but if a white plebe were to make the OK sign, the heavens would fall.

  124. anon[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    And whites will have the last laugh when the Grand Solar Minimum triggers a new mini ice age.

  125. Old Prude says:
    @mbm

    Kipling nails the subconscious affinity we all feel towards our fellow ethnics. As my workplace fills with African immigrants, I regard them as possibly decent people, to whom I act with politeness, but they strangers to me. I will never fully know them, and they can’t know me or my people. I even had that feeling towards the Germans, when I lived amongst them, despite having 1/4 German ancestry.

    Interesting, I feel more affinity towards American blacks, than I do towards Germans… Almost no affinity towards immigrants at all, less, the more exotic they come. Common culture and nationalism work in wonderous ways. Diversity doesn’t work at all.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  126. @Canadian Observer

    Yeah, this really is a golden conditioning opportunity for the Activist Media to show their social engineering vision.
    Toronto (just like 2019 London) is to be held aloft as the ideal for a big modern cosmopolitan City. Sikhs, Somalis, & Chinese cheering for African athletes….all in the setting of a formerly Wasp colonial outpost which submitted to the Arrivistes’ Diversity paradigm.

  127. fenster says:

    Latino in Ancestry ad: I am so proud the ancestry that my genes have revealed!

    Person with European background in Ancestry ads: I thought they wore lederhosen but now I know they wore kilts! How cool is that!

  128. Matra says:
    @Niccolo Salo

    When I was a young boy my father explained to me that Canada is nothing more than a dumping zone for the excess population of the old British Empire. He was right.

    It was a dumping ground for the excess population of Europe before the non-whites of the British Empire started arriving en masse. Italians, Yugoslavs, Ukrainians, Poles, Greeks, and Jews softened up the Anglo population and helped rid the country of old customs and rights (eg. freedom of association) between the 1920s and 1970 preparing the way for the Asians and the rest.

    Add in the post-WW2 replacement of the old British culture with mass media entertainment from the US and that was just about all she wrote for Anglo-Canada.

    If French-Canada wants to save itself it needs to get out of Confederation ASAP. But I suspect they’ve probably missed their window of opportunity for that.

  129. @Steve Sailer

    The goalie on Wayne Gretzky’s teams 35 years ago, Grant Fuhr, was part black.

    Floyd Sneed, the co-founder of Three Dog Night, is a black Canadian, whose sister married a Chinese-Canadian, Tommy Chong.

    They’re from (once) lilywhite Calgary, but daughter Rae Dawn– who should have married Tiger Woods, for hypermongreldom– was born in Edmonton.

    Who do the Chongs root for?

  130. @The Wild Geese Howard

    On a different note, why would anyone beyond family and friends care that much about women’s sports? I mean, I’m athletic and enjoy playing almost all sports, but I don’t expect very many outsiders to watch.

    Frankly, I want to watch men because I admire male athleticism, and I know men want to watch men for reasons of… well, I’m not sure I’d put it into words adequately. It looks like hero-worship; it could be just admiring excellence, and possibly projection of themselves as that athlete with all the praise and envy it brings. But I assume men don’t want to watch hot babes play softball or soccer. Wouldn’t they much rather see them doing ballet or swimming or gymnastics? Something that is overtly feminine and shows off the female form in its purest?

    Not saying male swimmers, gymnasts and ballerinos can’t be perfectly masculine. I mean, ballet is challenging to masculinity, but it can be done (Baryshnikov).

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  131. @BengaliCanadianDude

    there are plenty of whites who regularly can’t seem to pick a concrete, irrevocable definition of what constitutes “white”.

    Why should we? It’s too vague, “fuzzy” as Steve puts it. It’s useful at times, useless at others.

    Thomas Sowell wrote that the only consistent definition there is of “the right” is anything that opposes the Left. White is kind of the same way. It’s what we’re not.

  132. the Toronto Raptors

    Is this the most generic name in sports, or is it the Nashville Predators?

    I once thought the Atlanta Thrashers had the corniest name, but later learned it came from the state bird of Georgia. That lent it a lot of gravity, but the logo was too abstract. “Cute” would have worked better in their case.


    Actually, the Oakland Athletics have the most generic name– in North America. In soccer, the more generic, the better, it seems. Sporting Clube de Portugal, for instance. Countless “Uniteds” and “Citys”.

    I prefer the oddball club names: Arsenal, Wednesday, Distillery, Partick Thistle, suburbs like Everton and Aston Villa.

    Rostock has a fantastic combination of name and logo:

  133. @Anonymoose

    Boy is this spot on. Essentially, stripped of the right to glory in the actual Canadian race and culture that used to exist, the slime up there crafted up this “Canadian Values” joke which starts with the typical– inferiority complex driven–being kinder and gentler than the the mean old USA and then has become ever more faggotty and pathetic, a complete grab-your-ankles, submission to globohomo.

    It’s sad. They used to not be the USA by actually having their own distinct–slightly different–race and culture. And now assert their Canadian distinctiveness … by wiping out their actual Canadian roots and embracing globohomo so submissively they have no distinctiveness at all.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Art Deco
  134. Anonymous[921] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    It’s not bad–dinosaurs are big and scary, kids like them. Don’t forget that the NBA has a team called “Brooklyn Nets” (I get that it rhymes with Jets and Mets, but still…)

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  135. This relates to the topic at hand:

  136. @Matra

    “If French Canada wants to save themselves”

    Oh boy oh by looks like we have another tool who has clearly no knowledge on the economic dynamics, as well as the political arena that encompasses Canada. Quebec is in the Confederation because without it, they starve. They are literally a massive burden on our welfare system, and the gibs that the West plus Ontario generates. There is a reason, no matter the ethnicity, no matter the origin, one topic binds us Canadians in unilateral agreement: our shared contempt of Quebec. There are a whole plethora of variables to this, and there are many good reasons why Quebec is univerally despised.

  137. I love how you name brown people, groids and chinese people, but you conveniently( intentionally) leave out white people, who gather in hordes to cheer on the raptors, who organize different cavalcades to display support and whatnot. Scapegoating others while refusing to take responsibility for your own misgivings, and deflecting the blame elsewhere. Shirking the blame while denouncing the actions of certain other groups and totally distancing yourself from the specific act, even though you are partaking in said act of degeneracy. Pathetic

    • Replies: @Saxon
  138. Bigby says:
    @jeppo

    Toronto isn’t the only NBA city with no discernable black culture. Salt Lake City used to resign itself to its second-tier status because it just couldn’t draw many of the top players to such a white town.

  139. Anon[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    In what way was Canada different from the U.S.?

  140. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cicerone

    Schools built during the Baby Boom years are closing down right left and centre. If you were to screen Chidlren of Men in downtown Toronto today, I don’t think they would see what the fuss was about.

  141. @Matra

    If French-Canada wants to save itself it needs to get out of Confederation ASAP. But I suspect they’ve probably missed their window of opportunity for that.

    Agree.

    As a kid, a generic flyover American, i’d generally been on the side with my English-Canadian brothers. Basically “it’s North America, get over it”.

    I was generally wising up, but a family trip in the aughts–a NE quadrant road trip, as precursor to a family reunion in Iowa–had us at Acadia for a few days of relaxation then we went up to Quebec City. Seeing the towns and country side along that river valley–stopping and seeing they really were speaking their brand of French–I thought, “yeah, these folks really do have their own “distinct society” … and it’s pretty damn nice!”

    If they want to save themselves they need to defect from Canada and “Canadian Values”, right now! Give the folks in the Maritimes, highway access through, cut cut the Confederation cord. Pack all the Pakis–and Indians and Chinese and blacks–off to globohomo Toronto. Require everyone staying to speak their Quebecois … or leave. Yep, there would be some dislocation and economic disruption. But cut out the foreigners, cut themselves loose and the Quebecois would have a nation that could survive.

    • Replies: @Hank Yobo
  142. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I prefer the oddball club names: Arsenal, Wednesday, Distillery, Partick Thistle, suburbs like Everton and Aston Villa.

    That’s because those clubs harked back to the days when those clubs’ rosters were composed of men who all worked in the same factory or area, so it wasn’t some artificial identity whose rights were owned by a Russian oligarch or Saudi prince.

  143. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    He’s a genuine guy who only employs brown people as salesmen(with a single exception). If an ethnic German moved to Mississauga and Rexdale and did the same thing, there would be riots.

  144. I thought Canadian Sikhs were big hockey fans. Can the iSteve Canucks confirm?

    • Replies: @Anon
  145. Anon[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seth Largo

    Vancouver Sikhs like hockey.

    Toronto Sikhs like basketball.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  146. RLT says:

    Two un-connectable dots:

    Pre game 5- Countless articles about how great the Raptors’ fanbase is due to its diversity.

    Post game 5 – Articles about Raptors fans being classless for cheering when Durant got injured.

  147. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    It’s a mistake for the NHL to try expanding into Southern USA. Nothing snow and ice related will catch on there, no matter how they market it. Why push a winter sport on a region that has no winter? Maybe Kentucky and Tennessee and Oklahoma are opportunities, but that’s it.

    Lacrosse seems to be getting increasingly popular in the South at the youth & high school level, but I don’t see it becoming a big spectator sport, ever.

    • Replies: @Dtbb
    , @Lurker
  148. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Again, another fact. I’m not even being disinegenous and I certainly do not intend to obfuscate things by pretending otherwise, but there are plenty of whites who regularly can’t seem to pick a concrete, irrevocable definition of what constitutes “white”.

    No you are being–at least in part–disingenuous.

    White can be “fuzzy” but it broadly means the race of people who are members of European Christian civilization.

    This idea that the Irish or Italians weren’t considered “white” is just nonsense. This or that nationality at this or that particular time might have considered this or that other nationality to be uncouth, barbarians, beyond the pale … what have you. But that doesn’t mean they weren’t “white”. You can argue that there was a definite split in “white” with the Great Schism, between Western and Eastern Christendom. But both peoples were still “white”.

    White–my definition–is arguably a much more coherent thing than “Indian”. “Indians comprise people speaking not only numerous languages but from two entirely different language families–for example a Bengali speaking an Indo-European language, compared to a Tamilian speaking a Dravidian one. And “Indian” is riven by the fact that India was actually defeated by the muzzie invaders and hence is part (and if all of the sub-continent included a much larger part) muslim. While Europe–at critical junctures–defeated the muzzie invaders and eventually pushed them all the way out.

    A handy example to expose the “so-and-so wasn’t white” nonsense, is just look at intermarriage of European royal families during at “peak Europe”:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_descendants_of_Queen_Victoria_and_King_Christian_IX

    In contrast neither Victoria nor Christian IX were marrying off their daughters to the Khedive of Egypt nor the Ottoman Sultan nor the King of Siam nor the Emperor of Japan nor the Emperor of Ethiopia. Apparently they had some working definition of who was “white”.

    Whiteness isn’t very hard to define–the race of people who created European Christian civilization. And worst case, you can use the Potter Stewart test–you know it when you see it.

    • Replies: @istevefan
  149. Art Deco says:
    @AnotherDad

    From a distance, it appears Quebec had an episode of cultural self-immolation after 1960 that was worse than what happened in the Netherlands. At the same time, the elites in Anglophone Canada insisted on adopting a repellent series of guises and poses in a futile effort to propitiate Quebec (even as Quebecois society disposed of everything that distinguished them from Scandinavia bar the French language and never tired of sticking it to their Anglophone minority). Both sides might benefit from a velvet divorce. If you thought the U.S. had slid into frivolity by putting a dilettente / tyro like Barack Obama in the Presidency, Canada managed to do us one-better by handing the chief executive’s job over to Justin Trudeau.

  150. @BengaliCanadianDude

    “The NHL(hockey in general) has always been LAME and BORING. Even white kids don’t like playing it and people have gradually ceased playing it and moved on to other sports( like BASED saw-ker) because of the injurious nature of the sport with all the fighting and violence”

    Says the third world invader who knows nothing of Canadian history. Hockey back in the 70s and 80s was anything but boring. The clutch and grab style of the 90s and the lockout are what ended my interest in it.

    What is finishing off hockey in Canada is the wave of pajeets immigrating to places like Brampton. Hockey programs all over Canada are shutting down, and it won’t be long before Canada is a rump nation in its traditional sport.

    But hey, we have street poopers from Bengal to tell us that our national sport is boring.

    PS: if violence is so terrible, why the massive rise in interest in MMA?

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  151. @BengaliCanadianDude

    “there are plenty of whites who regularly can’t seem to pick a concrete, irrevocable definition of what constitutes “white”.”

    There are plenty of people who can’t “pick a concrete, irrevocable definition ” terms like ‘privacy’, ‘blue’, ‘tree’, ‘love’, ‘fidelity’, ‘frienship’ or ‘logical’.

    What follows from that exactly? That these concepts do not pick out something in the world?

    Pajeets with IQs in the 80s probably shouldn’t be demonstrating their lack of knowledge of 100-level philosophy.

    PS: If you had studied the philosophy of mathematics (e.g., Russell’s paradox, Godel’s theorem, Lakatos), you’d drop the ‘irrevocable’. Even in a purely deductive setting, definitions can often have unexpected implications.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  152. @Matra

    French Canada missed its opportunity way back at the end of the Seven Years’ War, when Britain gave France the choice of Quebec or Guadeloupe, and they chose Guadeloupe.

  153. @bruce county

    You are kidding me right. We can make ice in the desert if we wanted to.

    Yeah sure, and you can have ski resorts in Dubai? So.? DO you understand what operational costs are? How much it takes to maintain them?

    You do know theres a team playing hockey on Africa.

    Oooh nice. there are soccer teams everywhere.

    Soccer is for mommas boys

    Yeah, not what the world thinks. Keep watching your inferior sport though.

  154. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Because they are usually seething with rage underneath their calm exterior

    So no answer.

    ut the soccer pansy moms have shoehorned their way in, removed body checking,

    It was always a violent sport, with or without the soccer moms. Canada does not even have such an apparent and visible soccer mom culture/influence. Makes no sense

  155. Cortes says:
    @Cagey Beast

    Agree completely.

    Rollerball may have picked up some ideas from the classic Sci-fi novel by two refugees from Madison Avenue (Pohl and Kornbluth): “The Space Merchants” – stunningly prescient in its vision of a world subject to the wars between corporations.

  156. @Old Prude

    Agree with most of this. Definitely need an immigration pause for at least a generation. Way overdue historically. Just saying those that have already assimilated are the good guys.

  157. @mbm

    The problem you’ve got is that your ruling class fellow whites not only recognize no kinship with you, they hold you in the utmost contempt and wish you misfortune at best.

    I’ll take patriotic Blacks, Asians, Indians (dot or no dot), and Hispanics over that.

  158. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

    Contrast that to how they seem to cheer on POC attempting to form some sort of group identity. If you are one of the people making the argument that Whites have no businesses forming an identity due to any of the reasons listed above, or others, then how can you support encouraging the formation of such an identity among POC, who by definition are diverse, and thus would have even less in common than various Whites have with one another?

    Because whites by and large have already been deracinated and atomized and form identities largely based on consumer product and pop culture choices. While South Asians and others still retain more traditional family and ethnic based identities, so South Asians beginning to form identities based on rooting for corporate sports teams and black athletes is considered a good first step in the right direction towards deracination.

    Hollywood and American pop culture is promoted abroad in a similar fashion. The values they promote are ultimately hostile to traditional family and ethnic cultures and identities, but they can’t be too aggressive without provoking a strong defensive reaction that inhibits dissemination. Among whites however, traditional family and ethnic based identity and culture has been so broken down that there is no such reaction. In the past, many decades ago, there was, which is why you had things like the Hays Code.

  159. Pontius says:
    @SDMatt

    Fans cheering Kevin Durant’s injury also gave the Warriors something to pin to their billboard, so stay tuned.

  160. Pontius says:
    @Stillhere

    …and a reliable source of Liberal voters.

  161. istevefan says:
    @AnotherDad

    This idea that the Irish or Italians weren’t considered “white” is just nonsense. This or that nationality at this or that particular time might have considered this or that other nationality to be uncouth, barbarians, beyond the pale … what have you. But that doesn’t mean they weren’t “white”.

    They always conflate a normal, standoffish attitude towards newcomers with the newcomers not being considered White. But almost all of us have experienced a cold shoulder, even by members of our ethnic group and race, sometime in our lives. For example, I transferred to a new school during the 2nd semester of my 4th grade year. The principal was the first to welcome me the day I entered the new school. He liked the fact we shared the same last name, though we were not relatives. I was relieved that the head honcho seemed to want me in school. As a 10 year old I was very nervous going to a new place.

    However, once he dumped me off into a classroom, I no longer felt welcome. The other kids gave me the business for a few weeks until they made up their minds about me. I was pretty decent in sports, so I think I passed their shit test quickly because I was a valuable participant during recess activities. But the bottom line is those kids could have been my kin, and yet they pulled my chain a bit until I was fully accepted.

    The same thing happened when I joined the army. After basic training I was assigned to an active duty infantry company. The reception people welcomed me with open arms. But after my first meeting with my new platoon, I discovered I was the “cherry”, and would remain one for my first year.

  162. Dtbb says:
    @S. Anonyia

    The Lightning is doing fine. The owner is buying up half of Tampa.

  163. Lurker says:
    @S. Anonyia

    Lacrosse seems to be getting increasingly popular in the South at the youth & high school level, but I don’t see it becoming a big spectator sport, ever.

    Is lacrosse intolerance genetic?

  164. istevefan says:
    @Desiderius

    White identity is somewhere below Redneck identity.

    I think White identity is more of a option for the European settler nations, (Can, USA, Oz, NZ) than for Europe itself. People there are still ethnics with their own languages and customs. So I don’t see White identity usurping their national identities.

    But many, if not most of us in the settler nations are mixed. I probably have at least 5 European ethnicities alone. I only speak English and would be out of place if I traveled back to the homelands of those 5 nations. Yes we have class differences among the White population here. But class differences exist in the majority of populations too.

    The bottom line is we Europeans in the settler nations are in the same boat. We’ve melded into a distinct group with multiple sub-groups. But even if I am not in the same social class as the Rednecks you mention, I’m just as hated as they are.

    I don’t have to be best friends with every White person in America. I don’t even have like them. All that matters to me is that we all chipped in to make this country what it is. And that is not bragging. That’s a fact that is proven every day as non-Whites around the world vote with their feet to come here, not to some other new world nation like Mexico, that in theory should be a desirable place to live.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  165. @Anon

    Toronto Sikhs like basketball

    They’re Sikh in the head.

  166. @Stillhere

    Today, Toronto has been diversified to the point that it literally has no discernible culture

    Did it ever?

    New York, London, and Paris are diverse, too. But you know what a New Yorker, a Londoner, or a Parisian is. Or at least have a memory thereof.

    What the neck is a Torontonian? Sixty years ago, they used to escape to Buffalo for weekend fun.

    Their most iconic structure is a knock-off of Seattle’s.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  167. @Anonymous

    They were the New Jersey Americans their first year. Talk about generic.

    They’ve been my team from the very beginning. But they were never “cool” till they found Brooklyn. And dressed in black.

    Weird.

  168. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    The soccer team in Kansas City is known by the lame moniker of “Sporting Kansas City”.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  169. @68W58

    One of the great values of a thorough classical education is that you get a very deep, long reading of history in many cultures; it tends to disabuse you of the idea that “we are the ones we have been waiting for.”

  170. Art Deco says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Oh boy oh by looks like we have another tool who has clearly no knowledge on the economic dynamics, as well as the political arena that encompasses Canada. Quebec is in the Confederation because without it, they starve.

    Actually, what we have is a tool who doesn’t read production statistics. Quebec’s GDP per capita is quite respectable by occidental standards (better than Spain’s), only about 15% below the Canadian mean, and higher than that of the Maritimes. As we speak, the employment-to-population ratio and the unemployment rate in Quebec are satisfactory. Quebec has an ample population and productive base to support within its borders a full complement of capital markets, a full complement of institutions of higher learning, and a diplomatic and consular service covering all of its consequential trading partners. There’s no grand reason for it to remain appended to Anglophone Canada other than anxiety over transition costs.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
  171. jeppo says:
    @Art Deco

    The unemployment rate in Quebec City is 2.8%, lowest in Canada.

  172. Peter Frost says: • Website
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Quebec is in the Confederation because without it, they starve.

    When the Quebec people were asked in 1995 if they wanted independence, 50.58% voted “No.” If we break the result down by language, 60% of all French-speakers voted “Yes”, whereas 90% of everyone else voted “No”. If another referendum were held today, the No vote would have to get something like 80% of all French-speakers. This is an increasing source of resentment, or despair, and I have no idea how things will eventually play out.

    They are literally a massive burden on our welfare system, and the gibs that the West plus Ontario generates

    If you’re talking about equalization payments, Ontario was a net beneficiary from 2008 to 2018. Yes, Ontario was a burden on the rest of Canada during that decade. In any case, Quebec would be better off without the federal government, since a lot of federal “investment” in Quebec is pure pork barrel.

  173. Hank Yobo says:
    @AnotherDad

    But cut out the foreigners, cut themselves loose and the Quebecois would have a nation that could survive

    Much of what is now “Quebec” was originally part of Rupert’s Land, the gift of Charles II to the Hudson’s Bay Company. If the Quebec landmass ever reverted to its 1867 borders, they wouldn’t have the necessary natural resources to be economically independent. Sorry, Canada is stuck with La Belle Province until the federal treasury runs dry. Sad. Oh, and much of the touristy, quaint European fortifications in Quebec City that visitors admire were built by British military engineers in the nineteenth century. Shh, don’t tell the tourists and certainly don’t remind the locals. The latter group are particularly sensitive about such things.

  174. TWS says:
    @Forbes

    One of my kids played a ball game in the oughts the other team had six Uniquas on their team. Didn’t seem all that unique.

  175. TWS says:
    @Art Deco

    Better than Spain? How high a bar is that.

    • Agree: BengaliCanadianDude
  176. @BengaliCanadianDude

    You’re really presuming a lot here. You’re also attempting to “kiss up and kick down”. How very unlike the stereotypes that have developed around Bengal and its people: “a low-lying country full of low, lying people”.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  177. @Reg Cæsar

    To be fair, they went to Buffalo to drink and shop, not to soak up its high culture. Your point still stands though. It’s sad how Toronto went from being a prosperous but provincial British North American city with potential to being a prosperous but provincial Globalist Test Area, aka the GTA.

  178. @Anonymous

    The soccer team in Kansas City is known by the lame moniker of “Sporting Kansas City”.

    Yes, I’ve been wondering if they have some connection to the Lisboan club. I though they should move to Kansas and play up that fact as KCK FC. (KC’s other teams are in Missouri.)

    Then I learned that they in fact do play in Kansas. So what’s stopping them?

  179. @Art Deco

    There’s no grand reason for it to remain appended to Anglophone Canada other than anxiety over transition costs.

    And that a single monarchy is more stable than five republics, interrupted by an empire or two.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  180. @stillCARealist

    I see your Baryshnikov and raise you Alexander Godunov:

  181. Art Deco says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Not sure what this is supposed to mean. A seceding Quebec wouldn’t be a dependency of France. As for France, there haven’t been any discontinuities triggered by intramural disorders since 1852.

  182. @Art Deco

    I welcome their departure, their being funded by the West while they actively work against national pipeline interests. Alls Im saying is that they leave but we get to carve out a pathway to the Maritime provinces and the St. Lawrence. Without the rest of us, they literally have nothing

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  183. @jbwilson24

    How is your low level comment not being moderated? No I don’t study philosophy. Also, Indian-americans and Indian canadians have IQs well above the Hundreds, so lol nice try. What a nonce

  184. Hank Yobo says:
    @Peter Frost

    Yes, Ontario was a burden on the rest of Canada during that decade.

    Wouldn’t want to guess what political party was in charge of Ontario during that “lost decade.” Notice a trend?

  185. Art Deco says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Without the rest of us, they literally have nothing

    They have all of their human capital all of their physical capital and all of their natural resources. They are no more reduced to ‘nothing’ than is Austria or Israel, countries with a productive base of similar dimensions.

  186. Art Deco says:
    @Hank Yobo

    they wouldn’t have the necessary natural resources to be economically independent.

    Singapore has hardly any natural resources to speak of. They are still functionally sovereign. Extractive industries account for maybe 3% of total output in a typical affluent country.

  187. Matra says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Oh boy oh by looks like we have another tool who has clearly no knowledge on the economic dynamics, as well as the political arena that encompasses Canada.

    I have more knowledge of Canada than any “Bengali-Canadian” (lol) will ever have. The rest of your post is nonsense too including the last line about Quebec being “universally despised” in Canada.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  188. Hank Yobo says:

    Almost a quarter of Quebec’s provincial budget is based on direct federal transfer payments from “the rest of Canada. One of Quebec’s major revenue producers is electrical power generation. The largest hydro projects are located outside of the province’s 1867 boundaries. Should Quebec secede, all such revenue sources would be imperiled. Quebec isn’t Singapore. Oh that it were!

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  189. Anon[181] • Disclaimer says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Sure but you are trying to emanate that the universal quality which affixes the Whites with each other is melanin, even withstanding all the obvious cultural clashes which they have fought intra-racially, free from involvement from the other races. You are attempting to portray the narrative that whites have always been equal, and on the same wavelength solely because of their skin, but this is not the case, nor has it ever been.

    Cultural clashes do not mean much. This era in history is a time of intentional confusion that is destined to end within the next few generations.

    We do have so called Whites that are less “equal” than other “Whites”, but you are omitting the fact that some of those so called Whites are not traditionally considered to be White excepting in the fogged minds of modern progressive zealots and the newer generations that have no choice but to consume their narratives.

    The “White” race is not White due to skin-tone alone. The modern social term “White” and the generally accepted skin color range that is identified as being such are merely proxies for more genetically-specific racial inclusion and exclusion factors (loosely identified by a range of phenotypic expressions and lineage documentation before the genetic science of the modern era).

    This is why “White” Jews and their Southern Italian cousins are not “White” and the ethnic-cultural core of the former correctly do not consider themselves to be such. This is why most other “Whites” historically never considered most “White” Southern Italians or Iberian Irish to be White in spite of their often pale complexions.

    Race is much more specific to the quality and quantity of the pre-human hominid genetic load (admixture) that any one individual carries in their genome. Which is much wider and deeper than Pop Science will admit. The breadth and depth of pre-human hominid genetic load that is carried across the three primary races is documented in the research that can be found upon searching for it.

    White, Yellow, and Black skin tones, as well as all of the hybrid skin-tones in the middle nations, are proxies for that quality and quantity of pre-human hominid genetic load but not a perfectly correlated proxies.

    Simply, skin-tone acts as a quick screening tool but it is not definitive toward racial identification.

    This does not imply that someone with other than White skin-tone can be truly White. Some skin-tones are proxies only for necessary exclusion or inclusion of specific hominid genetic admixtures.

    The White race is the only race that requires only exclusion of specific hominid genetic markers (apart from European Neanderthal) that non-Whites invariably carry.

    Inclusion of any hominid genetic markers is not required to be included in the White category, but some tribes do include a measure of European Neanderthal genetics and are still considered to be White. As that Neanderthal genetic load increases in quantity, their White status becomes increasingly marginal. See the high Neanderthal admixture tribes that spent a lot of time around the Neanderthal hives in Armenia and Israel. The Neanderthal phenotype traits are easy to spot in the races that originate from those regions. In older anthropological parlance, this racial type was known as Armenoid. It is he result of a higher European Neanderthal genetic load and it is defining for Arabs, a variety of Russian and Armenian groups from the Caucus region, and throughout a large portion of the Jewish race (which heavily drew from the aforementioned groups).

    The other races require at least some inclusion of certain hominid markers because the inclusion of those markers is how those races were formed.

    For Asians, those markers are those of the Asian Neanderthal and Denisovan. For Blacks, those markers are from a range of archaic hominids; this genetic contribution from a wide range of species being the reason why Africa is the home of the largest genetic variation on Earth.

  190. Anon[181] • Disclaimer says:
    @68W58

    The eschaton has a specific and publicly identifiable clock for its arrival that anyone can check.

    Buckley is right that it shouldn’t be unduly hastened, as doing so has caused massive problems and untold suffering, but that warning should not be confused with a warning not to expect it on-time. As we get closer to the end of the countdown, “we are the ones we’ve been waiting for” becomes more likely. At least in theory. The reality is that the eschaton is not likely to have anything to do with the will of any common man. The populace can literally do nothing and think nothing of themselves and its arrival will still be forced.

  191. @jbwilson24

    S: if violence is so terrible, why the massive rise in interest in MMA?

    Another low IQ comment from you lol. I was talking about PLAYING the sport, and how the concussions and other injuries turn off parents, not the visual aspect of it.

    What is finishing off hockey in Canada is the wave of pajeets immigrating to places like Brampton

    Like I said, low IQ. Another commenter has said that Sikhs love Hockeys so its not that. And even Franco agrees that soccer moms and the rising cost of material turns off people. Seriously, how stupid are you? This is actually embarassing. You seem to be wrong about everything

    have street poopers from Bengal to tell us that our national sport is boring.

    The national sport is boring, I have never been to Bengal, and many many many whites seem to concur.

    Canada is a rump nation in its traditional sport.

    Got whipped by Germany with an all-white team. Take some responsiblity, you nitwit.

    Says the third world invader

    hahah you dont have an argument. Keep crying though

  192. Escher says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    We are all Canadians now.

  193. @Cagey Beast

    “a low-lying country full of low, lying people”.

    Maybe so, maybe not. Who wrote that?

    You’re really presuming a lot here.

    Nothing to presume really, theres a lot of bad blood between the rest of us. Whites especially.

    ou’re also attempting to “kiss up and kick down”

    Yeah, I don’t what the hell that is

  194. @Peter Frost

    “investment” in Quebec is pure pork barrel

    Not really, they just have their nonsensical laws regarding French(including that silly 101), as well as their blatant and extremely apparent mafia presense. Again, this is known to us. The Italians in Montreal runs these things. It’s why the same spot is always “in construction”. They hinder progress in terms of pipelines, and they undersell their own resources( water power). Whose fault is that? Their own.

    If you’re talking about equalization payments, Ontario was a net beneficiary from 2008 to 2018.

    Ok? Quebec has been a net beneficiary..since…oh…forever. Ontario from 1957 till 1980…was at 0. Alberta from 1957 till 1965 took some money from the pot as well, and then they stopped. BC took some from ’99 to ’06. Sask takes from the pot too. Nice try though. From 1957 till the present year, Quebec has taken taken and taken. Continuously. Every. Single. Year.

    Yes, Ontario was a burden on the rest of Canada during that decade

    Quebec has been a burden sinceforever. Horrible point. It’s your own undoing

    https://munkschool.utoronto.ca/mowatcentre/how-unfair-is-ottawa-to-the-provinces-equalization-isnt-the-half-of-it/

    We’ve overcontributed while Quebec has undercontributed. Thomm probably has a point on the Wiggers(ie you). You’re too blind to see the realities of the situation.

    • Replies: @Peter Frost
  195. @Hank Yobo

    Thanks man. These damn wiggers are actually so clueless talking about politics in Canada. They don’t know a thing about anything. How can they be consistently wrong?

    • Replies: @anon19
  196. Quebec is in the Confederation because without it, they starve.

    Without the rest of us, they literally have nothing.

    GDP Per Capita (2017) PPP Nominal
    Quebec 42500 38000
    West Bengal 5300 1400

  197. anon19 says:

    When I was born here, Toronto was an overwhelmingly white city in an even more white country. The evil Liberal party changed this to get votes.

  198. anon19 says:
    @Canadian Observer

    You said it buddy. I hate what has happened to my once wonderful city.

  199. Peter Frost says: • Website
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Quebec has been a burden sinceforever

    So have the Atlantic provinces. In any case, if you feel so strongly, why not let Quebec go? As you said yourself, much of the money that goes to Quebec doesn’t benefit the people of Quebec. It goes to the friends of the Liberal Party, including mafia friends.

    Quebec would have left Canada in 1995, were it not for an intense campaign to keep Quebec in, including fast-tracking of citizenship applications:

    Citizenship Court judges from across Canada were sent into the province to ensure as many qualified immigrants living in Quebec as possible had Canadian citizenship before the referendum, and thus were able to vote. The goal was to have 10,000 to 20,000 outstanding citizenship applications processed for residents of Quebec by mid-October.[133] 43,855 new Quebecers obtained their Canadian citizenship during 1995, with about one quarter of these (11,429) being granted during the month of October

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Quebec_referendum#Citizenship_and_Immigration_Canada

    The “No” won by a margin of only 54,000 votes.

  200. anon19 says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Sikhs were almost zero in Canada historically, as for the Kogamaru F*** you!

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  201. anon19 says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    How can you consistently say you are a “Canadian”, Bengali dude?

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  202. Art Deco says:
    @Hank Yobo

    http://www.stat.gouv.qc.ca/statistiques/economie/comptes-economiques/comptes-production/pir/pir-201902.pdf

    If I’m interpreting this correctly, about 2.2% of Quebec’s domestic product is accounted for by extractive industries and 3.2% is accounted for by electricity generation. They can survive the loss of mines and hydro-electric capacity located in the Nord de Quebec (where hardly anyone lives). And, again, they only lose the producer surplus, not the whole tamale.

    As for the financing of the Quebec government, they’ll be free of tax liability to Ottawa. There will be some adjustment problems for an interim period. That’s all.

    • Replies: @Hank Yobo
  203. Corvinus says:

    It is interesting that whenever whites, aka normies, try to oppose an identity that their fellow whites self-impose, it doesn’t take long for normies to be virtue signaled to death by those oppositional whites to “get with the program”, lest they be labeled anti-white. Basically, “identity whites”, AKA all whites must unite under one banner lest they are deemed anti-white, demand that normies have no business making their own decisions about what constitutes their own identity–everything must be driven toward encouraging the formation of an identity that runs counter to those choices.

    “[Whites] often fought against one another, and of course, some Whites don’t consider other Whites White at all.”

    Both which are historically accurate.

    Take it away, iSteveFan…

  204. @Matra

    Lol troll. Second of all, you clearly dont judging by the comments. Its not nonsense at all, they are despised. Again, you’d have to be here to know this. But you’re not even from here. You’re a wigger commenting on things far beyond your purview, if you have any at all

  205. @anon19

    They were one of the first Indians to come is the brunt of my comment. Try reading. Thanks

  206. Hank Yobo says:
    @Art Deco

    As for the financing of the Quebec government, they’ll be free of tax liability to Ottawa.

    Thanks for the link. I read it with interest. However, you know what they say about statistics. What might have been overlooked is the fact that between 20-25% of the provincial budget currently depends on transfer payments from Ottawa. One must also factor other subsidies such as periodic bailouts to major Quebec employers such as Bombardier, SNC-Lavalin, etc. Then there are the massive number of Quebeckers who are federal civil servants or who rely on federal largess for all or a portion of their income. Even funding for research, the arts, entertainment, etc. often contain a hefty federal contribution. This trickle down effect is enormous. In other words, Quebec in its current form could not survive without sucking from the federal teat.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  207. Art Deco says:
    @Hank Yobo

    This trickle down effect is enormous. In other words, Quebec in its current form could not survive without sucking from the federal teat.

    In 2017, federal revenue collection from Quebec was about $52 bn while federal expenditure in Quebec (a datum which includes all transfer payments to public and private parties) was $70 bn. The difference amounted to 5.3% of Quebec’s gross domestic product. We’re talking about a territory where the domestic product per capita exceeds New Zealand’s, exceeds Spain’s, exceeds Israel’s. A set of tax increases and expenditure reductions phased in over a period of about 4 years could finesse this. The notion they’re going to starve without a subsidy check from Ottawa is silly.

    • Replies: @Hank Yobo
  208. Hank Yobo says:
    @Art Deco

    Please send your musings to the folks in Quebec City. Once they think that they can achieve independence without reliance upon federal funding, then they will pull the pin. They might even make you an honorary citizen of whatever they decide to call themselves. Bonne chance and good riddance.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  209. Newsflash: Raptors majority shareholder Larry Tanenbaum will parade his “diverse” NBA championship team by having them visit Israel: https://www.cjnews.com/culture/sports/toronto-raptors-jewish-co-owner-says-team-will-visit-israel-if-it-wins-nba-championship

    I wonder how the Palestinians and Tel Aviv’s small African population will feel about this. Likewise, how about Canada’s generic white gentiles as they see that the Raptors’ recent win wasn’t really “for” them.

  210. Almost a week later and this thread is still going strong! A few points:

    1. Most of Canada’s provinces are net beneficiaries of equalization payments.

    2. In absolute terms, Quebec gets the lion’s share: 51% of all payments since 1957 (when this system was introduced).

    3. In per capita terms, Quebec gets the least. This should be no surprise because Quebec has made up between 25 and 30% of Canada’s population.

    4. The money for those payments comes largely from the resource industry, especially from oil and gas deposits in Alberta. Yes, those deposits belong to Alberta, but when the federal government taxes them, there’s no reason why it can’t redistribute the tax money to have-not provinces.

    5. A recurring argument is that French Canadians will leave Canada only when it becomes financially advantageous for them to do so. In reality, most of them voted to leave Canada back in 1995. The “No” vote won only because Quebec’s anglophones and allophones voted overwhelmingly for that option.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  211. Art Deco says:
    @Peter Frost

    The money for those payments comes largely from the resource industry, especially from oil and gas deposits in Alberta.

    Unless I’m misinterpreting the OECD data, if you exclude government services from consideration, about 9% of value-added in the Canadian economy is attributable to extractive industries.

  212. Peter Frost says: • Website

    Art Deco,

    The basis for Canada’s equalization system is strongly biased toward income from natural resource revenues:

    The original program had the goal of giving each province the same per capita revenue as the two wealthiest provinces, Ontario and British Columbia, in three tax bases: personal income taxes, corporate income taxes and succession duties (inheritance taxes). Five years later, 50 per cent of natural resource revenues were included as the fourth tax base. At the same time, however, the standard of the two wealthiest provinces was lowered to the national average. In 1967 the system was redesigned to work with every government revenue scheme with the exception of energy; this gave Canada by far the world’s most generous system of equalization payments.

    The rise in energy prices and the resulting increase in provincial natural resource royalties in the late 1970s created several problems for the equalization formula. The need for amendments to the formula became clear when the traditional “have” province of Ontario qualified for equalization payments in 1978.

    […] In 2018 Alberta, British Columbia, Saskatchewan and Newfoundland and Labrador received no equalization payments.

    Provinces such as Alberta and Saskatchewan whose economies are “strongly linked to resource extraction” have expressed resentment that the equalization formula does not allow them to benefit fairly as it does not consider the weakened economies from 2014 onwards.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equalization_payments_in_Canada

  213. Saxon says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    On the other hand, the only ones tamped down on by state power for even so much as speaking out against this stuff are white. Supreme Leader Trudeau had his disguised plainclothes RCMP goons drag an old woman out of a political rally for asking uncomfortable questions relating to immigration, taxes and his boilerplate non-response rhetoric about “tolerance” when she responded asking how much tolerance he has for Quebecois people.

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