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From the NYT’s Art & Design section an article that brings together several favorite iSteve topics:

What Would a World Without Prisons Look Like?

The architect Deanna Van Buren designs civic spaces that are healing alternatives to correctional facilities.

By Patricia Leigh Brown
March 6, 2020

Vicente Martinez, 18, was apprehensive the first time he visited the former drug house in Syracuse, N.Y. The building had been transformed into the Center for Court Innovation’s peacemaking program, where issues can bubble up and be resolved outside of the traditional criminal justice system. “I was messing up a lot,” Mr. Martinez recalled of his two previous stints in jail for driving a stolen vehicle across county lines. “I was doing dumb kid’s stuff.”

The Syracuse peacemaking project encourages a non-adversarial approach. Joining Mr. Martinez in chairs arranged in a circle was his father, Robert, who was incarcerated for bank robbery at roughly the same age as his son. He was desperate for Vicente to avoid the same downward trajectory.

For nearly a year, difficult conversations between son, father and other family members took place in a serene setting with sky-blue walls, pine floors, a communal kitchen and lots of natural light.

Uh, anybody represent the folks whose cars the kid stole?

Okay, here is Ms. Van Buren’s big design breakthrough: some plastic chairs around a round wooden table with a mobile above of pillows to imitate clouds.

Judging from this picture, A World Without Prisons would chiefly differ from our world in being more color-coordinated in shades of blue.

iSteve commenter Alden notes:

Intelligent selection of furniture. If the table’s solid wood it’s too heavy to be picked up and used to smash someone’s head. Looks to be about 40 inch diameter, too wide for one person to pick up. Flimsy plastic chairs can be picked up but too flimsy to do much harm They also look very uncomfortable. So participants will be eager to leave.

Back to the NYT:

These touches came out of a community design process led by Deanna Van Buren, an architect who has dedicated her career to rethinking the architecture of justice. …

Ms. Van Buren, 47, co-founder of the Oakland-based nonprofit firm Designing Justice/Designing Spaces, has committed her architecture practice to the question of “what a world without prisons could look like,” the title of her popular TED Talk. …

Ms. Van Buren’s path to Designing Justice/Designing Spaces was circuitous: Growing up in a split-level house in a white gated community, she recalls as a young woman feeling “tribeless.” not feeling fully at home in either white or black culture.

In 21st Century American culture, our natural rulers are assumed to be those from the Obama-like Biracial Elite, who grew up in nice white neighborhoods, but who have enough black body so that they no doubt have tragic stories about white children touching their hair.

She was five years old when her family moved into a segregated neighborhood in rural Virginia. Ms. Van Buren’s father, a retired pipe organist and music professor, would drive past the imposing white-porticoed courthouse with his daughter and warn his little girl to stay out of trouble because the justice system was a perilous trap if you were black. His words instilled her with fear. …

Her efforts have dovetailed with growing public acknowledgment of racial bias inherent in the criminal justice system. …

… “The intensity of her focus has allowed her to become a leader,” said Deborah Berke, the dean of the Yale School of Architecture, which has brought criminal and restorative justice issues into its core curriculum.

The restorative justice space is a sun-filled aerie that can safely accommodate emotionally wrenching conversations. Cases will be referred by the district attorney and deal with crimes committed by adolescents, such as vehicle and laptop theft, robbery or assault. The design goes a step further than Syracuse by offering “cooling off” areas, separate entrances for sensitive cases and a blackboard for tussling out reparations.

Here’s the blackboard:

It looks like the reparations are supposed to come not from the car thief but from YT.

… Not all the projects function exactly as planned: Her firm designed a $250,000 mobile classroom for the nonprofit Five Keys Schools and Programs in San Francisco that provides free education in neighborhoods marked by poverty, violence and low high school graduation rates. The classroom is a retrofitted municipal bus outfitted with Wi-Fi, desks and a library. But the old bus was retired for a reason: it is prone to breakdowns, temperature swings and mold. If the windshield wipers or turn signal go on the fritz, the classroom winds up in the shop. “Like a model home, the first impression is what they’re going for,” John Beiser, a teacher, said. …

Beyond architecture, Ms. Van Buren retains an activist spirit. In Oakland, she shares an apartment with two roommates — one Jewish and the other Palestinian.

Yet she can — on occasion — step away from the intensity of her work. She marched in costume in last year’s 1811 Slave Rebellion Re-enactment organized by the New York artist Dread Scott.

“In acting out the story, there was real healing there,” she said. Partial to immersive experiences, she is a regular at Burning Man and celebrated her 47th birthday at the “Wizarding World of Harry Potter” at Universal Studios (she bought a wand).

After all, she knows that rethinking the architecture of justice is a long game.

“I think of her as a phoenix,” said Ms. Winn of Atlanta. “The passion of the work is in her genes.”

iSteve commenter Alden notes:

I keep having to remind myself it’s 2020, not 1970. All this was effected starting around 1965. It didn’t work and by 1985 it was tough on crime again. These things go on cycles and we’re in for a long 30 year high crime cycle.

 
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  1. @AnotherDad
    Separate nations.

    Can't say it enough.

    The architect Deanna Van Buren designs civic spaces that are healing alternatives to correctional facilities.

    By Patricia Leigh Brown
     
    Biracial or not, this world where women with BAs give us their great ideas on what's wrong with the world and how to fix it is a sick, a terminally ill world.

    ~~~

    There's a super-simple alternative to prisons. Age old and time tested:

    Expulsion or execution. If you don't want to abide by the rules of the society--clan, tribe, nation--you are out.

    Once we get "America" separated from "Rainbow"--Chuck and Nancy and Brett and Joe and Mike and Deanna and all their parasite friends--a few islands in the Aleutians should do just fine.

    Or better yet, separate continents. You can divide up the existing US anyway you like, but it’s just one more concession (after 60 years of failed concessions) to the primitives that only fuels more resentment, and the negro, (or mestizo, oriental, subcon, or middle eastern for that matter) will always come knocking with his hand out.

    Repatriation in the long run is no less practical, just seems more icky to think about.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    "Separate nations" serves two rhetorical purposes:

    1) The basic point that people with different cultures--language, religion, norms, values--really belong in separate nations where they won't chafe against each other and can order their societies as they life.

    but also

    2) To expose the totalitarian nature of the minoritarians / anti-nationalists--and their lies. Essentially to expose the "who is actually oppressing whom". I'm perfectly willing to let Chuck, Nancy, Brett, ... all the "nation of immigrants" people have their own rainbow hued nation. But they do not want to let me have mine.

    Minoritarianism is simply the demand that white gentiles *not* be allowed to govern themselves, *not* be allowed to enjoy the nations that their ancestors built, according to their own culture, norms, values. It is the demand of the parasites that the host *not* be allowed to live its life for itself, but must be captive for the parasite to live off of. Minoritarianism is the ideology of the parasite.


    Shining a big old bright light of clarity on this essential issue will be super-helpful. (Clarity usually is.) My guess is it can move the ball downfield quite a bit. And when this is made clear, a quite a bit fewer whites will be on board the rainbow train. And a whole lot of non-whites--when push comes to shove--would much cut the minoritarian crap and live in a Western nation, according to white American norms, than the rainbow paradise.
  2. If Sanders is elected I suspect all the Ikea stores will be promptly nationalized and turned in to Restorative Justice Centers.

    • Disagree: Kronos
    • Replies: @Kronos
    I doubt it. Blacks don’t like Sanders and the feeling is mutual. If Bernie is elected, blacks will possess far less access to the White House than with Obama or Clinton. Blacks (and upper-middle class Boomer women) are a wrecking ball to the US Working Class. Bernie is of the “Old Left” school that viewed blacks as often troublesome to Unions as well as Corporate Management. Working Class blacks and whites dislike each other and the former make poor scabs. If he utilizes racial identity politics he’ll aim toward Hispanics. The immense urban political power once wielded by Blacks is being quickly eroded by gentrification, illegal/legal immigration, and Black flight. They’re on the decline.

    Regardless if the US is a:

    1) Globalized/Free Market Economy

    2) Socialist Economy

    3) National/Protectionist Economy

    Blacks will typically be on the Welfare equivalent of all three systems. People like Al Sharpton understand this and strategize to get the best deal available for himself and his people. (Louis Farrakhan seems more legit but I digress.) They’re a superb political weapon for “New Left” NeoLiberals like Bill Clinton to use against “Old Left” organizations. Bernie will have to deal with them (just like Trump with the Neocons) but on a far more reserved basis. There won’t be any Al Sharpton slumber parties at the White House like with Obama.

    https://www.vladtv.com/images/size_fs/video_image-466582.jpg

  3. A world without prisons would make the whole world a prison, period.

    But there is at least some justice for Ms. Van Buren over here in the wackadoodle libtopia of WA state:

    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/bill-protecting-black-hairstyles-from-discrimination-passes-legislature-awaits-inslees-signature/

    This is what our lawmakers have been busy doing while the entire state was gripped by coronavirus fear, they were busy passing such important laws. They also passed the all important Comprehensive Sex Ed for K-12 bill two days ago. Now our Kindergarteners will be taught all about gender identity and sexual orientation, and 4th graders will be taught what sex toys look like and how they work.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    We have a Defense of Hairstyle Law in NY as well, thanks to the new Democratic majority in both houses of the legislature (Gov. as well, of course, Cuomo II).
    , @Bard of Bumperstickers
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckvDo2JHB7o
  4. • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    More Uh oh.......

    https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1235555159733723136

    https://twitter.com/avenaim/status/1235004177702539264

    https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1236157131415588866
    , @UK
    Has Trump even been sick during the Presidency? Is he human? He's so old and yet seemingly hasn't been ill for years! I'm in great shape, not old and get sick. Why doesn't the avatar of American capitalism succumb to anything except what I find to be admirable crassness? Obviously astute Kanye said it concisely "dragon energy".
    , @Peter D. Bredon
    Carrier was from Westchester NY. How's that "Welcome Semites" policy working out, CPAC?
  5. The room in that photo is reminiscent of the euthanasia scene in Soylent Green:

    • Replies: @animalogic
    A world (civilisation) without prisons (plural) is factual. Republican Rome had only one prison -- the Tullianum. Generally used to hold a prisoner prior to execution.
    (there may have been prison camps for lower class individuals however I'm not sure.)
  6. @JohnnyWalker123
    Uh oh.......

    https://twitter.com/ColbyItkowitz/status/1236446922250096646

    More Uh oh…….

  7. Separate nations.

    Can’t say it enough.

    The architect Deanna Van Buren designs civic spaces that are healing alternatives to correctional facilities.

    By Patricia Leigh Brown

    Biracial or not, this world where women with BAs give us their great ideas on what’s wrong with the world and how to fix it is a sick, a terminally ill world.

    ~~~

    There’s a super-simple alternative to prisons. Age old and time tested:

    Expulsion or execution. If you don’t want to abide by the rules of the society–clan, tribe, nation–you are out.

    Once we get “America” separated from “Rainbow”–Chuck and Nancy and Brett and Joe and Mike and Deanna and all their parasite friends–a few islands in the Aleutians should do just fine.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    Or better yet, separate continents. You can divide up the existing US anyway you like, but it's just one more concession (after 60 years of failed concessions) to the primitives that only fuels more resentment, and the negro, (or mestizo, oriental, subcon, or middle eastern for that matter) will always come knocking with his hand out.

    Repatriation in the long run is no less practical, just seems more icky to think about.
    , @Whiskey
    Nope, not ever going to happen. Whites are ALREADY the minority in the US, that's baked into the cake with more non White than White births the last ten years.

    There was never, ever going to be separation during the Cold War and bidding for the Third World rulers and peoples sympathy or alignment against the Soviets. And it was far, far too late even by 1986 and the IRCA Amnesty.

    So the issue is, getting rid of Boomer Civ Nat nonsense. Along with fantasies of a separate White utopia. The Third World will never allow it anyway -- Europe is being overrun with Refugees already and the Erdogan buyout predictably fell apart.

    Rather, White men must choose either to bear the lash, endlessly, or wield the whip. If the former, expect nothing more than ending up in some mass grave somewhere, eventually. If the latter, expect nothing but an endless fight to avoid the fate of racial minorities from Rwanda to Ukraine to Anatolia. Jews, Armenians, and Tutsis can all testify on the fate of being a despised minority. And all minorities are despised.
    , @John Derbyshire
    I'm still trying to get traction for my "one strike and you're dead" proposal. Jump a subway turnstile, go to the chair. Would purge criminality right out of the gene pool.
    , @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    If you went back to medieval England, jail was a holding pen for those awaiting trial or punishment. The much-maligned King Richard III introduced the concept of bail. Punishment might range from the merely embarrassing such as being put in the stocks to physical punishment (flogging, blinding, castration) to execution.
  8. That blackboard is such bullshit.

    I taught a few college classes to prison inmates. They were in there for real crimes –attempted murder, robbery, buurglary, rape, forcible sodomy — not because of “racism” and “colonialism.”

    The best inmate-students were the murderers (usually about half the class). Most of them had killed someone when they were young, and by the time they were in their early forties and coming up on their first parole hearing in a 25-to-life sentence, they were very, very committed students because they wanted to show the parole board how they had turned their lives around and were ready to be let out.

    The ones doing 6-7 years for drug offenses or burglary were the real cons, and I could tell they they were taking classes just because it was better than a work detail. Reform had nothing to do with it. Prison life involves a lot of tangible incentives: they sure as hell will “eagerly” go to Bible study, college classes, counseling and SJW bullshit if means that they don’t have to mop floors, wash dishes, and get bitched out by COs.

    I had one inmate in particular who had obviously quit trying after the midterm exam and tried to bullshit his way through the second half of the semester with complete nonsense. I couldn’t figure out what caused the sudden change… until I caught him with the answers to the final exam, and failed him.

    One a middle-aged white inmate had a vicious cocaine habit. He had been in and out of prison his entire life, been kicked out of the military, and lost a number of jobs over coke. He was doing his current stint after going on a week-long drug bender in which he ended up 200 miles away from home, penniless, with no idea how he had gotten there, and committed an armed robbery for more drug money.

    While he was in the joint and couldn’t get his hands on cocaine he was a great guy and a model student, but he gave me the distinct impression that he would have stolen his grandmother’s Social Security check in a heartbeat if he needed drug money.

    • Thanks: John Regan
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Recovering addicts can become functional surprisingly quick if in the right environment, particularly the triple digit IQ ones. A junkie who is genuinely ready to change typically has desires which are strong enough to get them off the ground, but the willpower is too fragile to sustain it long-term without the right sort of help for most people. Neural networks take time to reconfigure.

    So, the problem is relapsing once you remove them: willpower takes a much greater amount of time to (re)build than functionality.

    , @Cato
    I've heard from others that murderers are typically the least dysfunctional of prison inmates. Most murders are motivated by jealousy or revenge, feelings experienced by all of us, so most murderers are just like us, only unlucky enough to have made a very bad mistake.
  9. L.A. traffic is worse than I imagined:

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    Old news:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/scene-from-the-class-struggle-in-north-hollywood/
  10. I myself have imagined a world without prisons. (An invention of the perfidious Quakers, so you know they are evil). Of course, mine involves public flogging for minor offenses and swift executions for the rest, but maybe we can throw in a few restorative justice spaces. I’m nothing if not accommodating.

    • Agree: West Reanimator
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    This is probably massively more merciful, just, proportionate to the offense, and more corrective, on top of being insanely cheaper and safer.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Add a middle ground for deportation to a Devil's Island type place where breaking rocks in the hot sun for a few years is your due, and count me in.
  11. Our country will be ruined by neurotic women in positions of influence and the men trying to bed them.

    • Replies: @Kim
    They aren't even trying to bed them; it's more like please and appease. Modern men are very, very weak and needy. Why?
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Our country will be was ruined by neurotic women in positions of influence and the men trying to bed them.
  12. Australia discovers the benefits of diversity:

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    >call the police! call the police!
    If you can nag someone who is busy breaking up a fight, then can't you call them yourself?
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/10/world/australia/study-diversity-multicultural.html

    Australia is 24% Non-White.

    “those who have non-European and Indigenous backgrounds make up an estimated 24 percent of the Australian population”

     

    Which is a lot more than you'd think.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    I don't get what's up with the woman filling her whole cart with toilet paper. Is toilet paper the one thing we can't live without if the entire supply chain breaks down? I get having enough for about two months, but she has to have enough for a year?
  13. Intelligent selection of furniture. If the table’s solid wood it’s too heavy to be picked up and used to smash someone’s head. Looks to be about 40 inch diameter too wide for one person to pick up. Flimsy plastic chairs can be picked up but too flimsy to do much harm They also look very uncomfortable. So participants will be eager to leave.

    I keep having to remind myself it’s 2020, not 1970. All this was effected starting around 1965. It didn’t work and by 1985 it was tough on crime again. These rings go on cycles and we’re in for a long 30 year high crime cycle.
    A world without prisons will look like the worst sections of Atlanta, DC Detroit Philadelphia. Bahmoh Chicago.

    At some point there were plans to paint jail cells and common rooms pink in an effort to civilize the hyenas.

    The more things change…..

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    Wouldn't they just smother each other with the giant pillows?
    , @Kronos
    This film was long before my time but I enjoyed it. I think it does a superb job capturing the common liberal/progressive herpes flare-up that occurs every few years since the 1960s.

    https://youtu.be/eX_MxL38An8
    , @International Jew
    If that table is solid wood, it would be expensive — easily $1000, depending on the wood.
    , @SteveRogers42
    Light chairs like that also make a handy shield agaisnt shanks, if employed Fairbairn-style:

    https://www.selfdefenseguides.info/british-commandos/forces-w-e-fairbairn-sll.html
  14. Forty-seven years old. Two roommates. Presumably unmarried and childless.

    That’s not inspiring, that’s a cautionary tale.

    • Replies: @Pop Warner
    It's inspiring that a mulatta elected not to breed
  15. Larceny AND reparations; win win!

  16. NYT: What Would a World Without Prisons Look Like?

    Pretty much like a prison.

    • Agree: donut
  17. The bus reminded me of those Willis Wagons the black people protested against. She cannot do her Dredd Scott cosplay here because the localCivil War reenactment was cancelled by Black people. Burning Man tickets are very expensive. Where does she get her money from. She must be loaded.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    Her white grandparents, would be my guess.
  18. ‘… NYT: What Would a World Without Prisons Look Like?’

    That would depend a lot on what proportion of the local population was black.

  19. @Jimbo
    I myself have imagined a world without prisons. (An invention of the perfidious Quakers, so you know they are evil). Of course, mine involves public flogging for minor offenses and swift executions for the rest, but maybe we can throw in a few restorative justice spaces. I'm nothing if not accommodating.

    This is probably massively more merciful, just, proportionate to the offense, and more corrective, on top of being insanely cheaper and safer.

    • Replies: @Fred C Dobbs
    Are you insane? Do have any idea just how much of a massive F*** Up you have to be to even find yourself IN prison? There are off ramps after off ramps after off ramps.

    You have to be seriously determined to find yourself there.
  20. @Reg Cæsar
    Australia discovers the benefits of diversity:


    https://twitter.com/i/status/1236178287472160768

    >call the police! call the police!
    If you can nag someone who is busy breaking up a fight, then can’t you call them yourself?

  21. In 21st Century American culture, our natural rulers are assumed to be those from the Obama-like Biracial Elite, who grew up in nice white neighborhoods, but who have enough black body so that they no doubt have tragic stories about white children touching their hair.

    This type seems to need to prove how black they are, seeing systemic racism everywhere. The U.S. is supposed to be so saturated with racism but notice how no biracial people want to pass as white? There is no profit in being white when you can be a “victim of racism” (VOR).

    • Agree: Fred C Dobbs
  22. a better question:

    What Would a World Without The New York Times Look Like?

  23. Anonymous[269] • Disclaimer says:

    This reminds me of something I had read about a prison where they had painted the walls pink I think it was in order to calm the prisoners and they ended up peeling the paint off.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    There was a humorous story about 20 years ago wherein the Iowa State football coach had the visiting locker room painted pink. He assumed the locker room color would have a demoralizing effect on the visiting team.

    IIRC, the university was embarrassed by the gimmick and had the locker room repainted.
  24. @Justice Duvall
    Forty-seven years old. Two roommates. Presumably unmarried and childless.

    That's not inspiring, that's a cautionary tale.

    It’s inspiring that a mulatta elected not to breed

  25. Richard Pryor’s take, after getting a closer look at “all these beautiful black men in the joint”, the initial sight of which had made his heart ache:

    • Thanks: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Richard Pryor would get the Cosby treatment today for telling the truth.
  26. UK says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Uh oh.......

    https://twitter.com/ColbyItkowitz/status/1236446922250096646

    Has Trump even been sick during the Presidency? Is he human? He’s so old and yet seemingly hasn’t been ill for years! I’m in great shape, not old and get sick. Why doesn’t the avatar of American capitalism succumb to anything except what I find to be admirable crassness? Obviously astute Kanye said it concisely “dragon energy”.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    Trump is an “emotional vampire.” The liberal tears since 2016 have made him healthy and strong.

    https://youtu.be/pbIR51_J_qY

    https://youtu.be/BD7uyblt94M
  27. iSteve-

    You’ve got to start following Brianna Holt over at Quartz.

    She’s an absolute HBD goldmine!

  28. @Reg Cæsar
    Australia discovers the benefits of diversity:


    https://twitter.com/i/status/1236178287472160768

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/10/world/australia/study-diversity-multicultural.html

    Australia is 24% Non-White.

    “those who have non-European and Indigenous backgrounds make up an estimated 24 percent of the Australian population”

    Which is a lot more than you’d think.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Australia is 24% Non-White.

    “those who have non-European and Indigenous backgrounds make up an estimated 24 percent of the Australian population”

    Which is a lot more than you’d think.
     
    No, it's not. I thought 30% would be about right.
    , @Kratoklastes
    Non-European !== Non-white, silly.

    Fortunately, there's such a thing as a census.

    Australia did one in 2016 (I refused to participate as I always do, but compliance rates were high at ~96%).

    The ABS demographic datacube lists totals by broad self-identified ethnic category -
    • Chinese (5.6%);
    • Indian (2.8%);
    • Indigenous (2.8%);
    • Vietnamese (~1.5%);
    • Filipino (1.4%);
    • Lebanese (1%);
    • black Africans (~1%) (by backing out South Africans and Zimbabweans from Africans);
    • Arabs (0.8%);
    • Pakistani (0.6%).

    That still only gets you to the mid-teens for non-White.

    Sticky-tape other non-whites into a scary dusky composite, and the Dusky Fraction might tot up to 19% (but that's unlikely given how fast group sizes fall away).

    .

    Some people's obsession with duskies is misdirection, in my view: it stops a detailed examination of their own in-group.

    I've met plenty of white trash during my life, and trash characteristics have become far more widespread in the last 40 years because their reproduction is subsidised (as it is with Hasidim, whi also breed like rabbits because someone else is paying their way).

    What used to be referred to as the 'submerged tenth' is more like the 'submerged quarter', behaviourally.

    It would make more sense for HBDers to focus on getting rid of the bottom 20-25% of the white masses, rather than trying to piss around with embroidery at the margins (e.g., ditching dud darkies).

    While we're talking strategies... it would also be a decent idea to develop a test to identify the genetic defects that cause politicians, and strangle any babies or children exhibiting the defect.
    , @Brutusale
    You need to take a different slant on those numbers to get to the truth.
  29. Lot says:

    CV Panic Update:

    German cases go from 66 to 795 in the past 7 days. Lufthansa cancels half its flights. British airline FlyBe files for bankruptcy, largest airline in dozens of smaller British markets.

    Bulgaria closes all schools.

    Italy set to ban travel in and out of Lombardy.

    States reporting their first cases yesterday: Hawaii, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Connecticut, Nebraska, Indiana, Minnesota, Pennsylvania South Carolina.

    Florida reports the east coast’s first two CV deaths.

    Italy hits 5800 cases.

    Second Iranian member of parliament dies, 10% are infected.

    • Replies: @Flip
    I feel like we're waiting for the tsunami to hit and there's nowhere to escape to. I think most of the world's population will be exposed eventually- it's just a matter of how lethal it actually is.
  30. @AnotherDad
    Separate nations.

    Can't say it enough.

    The architect Deanna Van Buren designs civic spaces that are healing alternatives to correctional facilities.

    By Patricia Leigh Brown
     
    Biracial or not, this world where women with BAs give us their great ideas on what's wrong with the world and how to fix it is a sick, a terminally ill world.

    ~~~

    There's a super-simple alternative to prisons. Age old and time tested:

    Expulsion or execution. If you don't want to abide by the rules of the society--clan, tribe, nation--you are out.

    Once we get "America" separated from "Rainbow"--Chuck and Nancy and Brett and Joe and Mike and Deanna and all their parasite friends--a few islands in the Aleutians should do just fine.

    Nope, not ever going to happen. Whites are ALREADY the minority in the US, that’s baked into the cake with more non White than White births the last ten years.

    There was never, ever going to be separation during the Cold War and bidding for the Third World rulers and peoples sympathy or alignment against the Soviets. And it was far, far too late even by 1986 and the IRCA Amnesty.

    So the issue is, getting rid of Boomer Civ Nat nonsense. Along with fantasies of a separate White utopia. The Third World will never allow it anyway — Europe is being overrun with Refugees already and the Erdogan buyout predictably fell apart.

    Rather, White men must choose either to bear the lash, endlessly, or wield the whip. If the former, expect nothing more than ending up in some mass grave somewhere, eventually. If the latter, expect nothing but an endless fight to avoid the fate of racial minorities from Rwanda to Ukraine to Anatolia. Jews, Armenians, and Tutsis can all testify on the fate of being a despised minority. And all minorities are despised.

  31. Ms. Van Buren, 47, co-founder of the Oakland-based nonprofit firm Designing Justice/Designing Spaces

    There is it is; the “nonprofit”.

    From the website:

    “Designing Justice + Designing Spaces is an Oakland-based nonprofit architecture and real estate development firm

    Of course it is. Donations + consulting work + real estate development – taxes = laughing all the way to the bank.

    • Replies: @Fred C Dobbs
    "......Donations + (Women/Minority Owned Business) consulting work + (Women/Minority Owned Business) real estate development – taxes = pushing your wheelbarrow filled with fairly easily acquired money all the way to the bank.

    There. fixed it. Needed some slight editing.
  32. “What would a world without prisons look like”

    Of course they don’t mean that – they absolutely need prisons. If there were no prisons it would take about a week before the more intelligent and more capable of cooperation non-criminals would get organized and simply hang the criminals.

    They need prisons so they can prevent that.

    The optimal amount of prisons and prisoners for a progressive is “enough to terrify anyone law abiding by with the prospect of prison rape by actual viscous felons” and “not a single prisoner more than that”.

    • Replies: @Steve Johnson
    Or possibly vicious felons - either one.
  33. @Steve Johnson
    "What would a world without prisons look like"

    Of course they don't mean that - they absolutely need prisons. If there were no prisons it would take about a week before the more intelligent and more capable of cooperation non-criminals would get organized and simply hang the criminals.

    They need prisons so they can prevent that.

    The optimal amount of prisons and prisoners for a progressive is "enough to terrify anyone law abiding by with the prospect of prison rape by actual viscous felons" and "not a single prisoner more than that".

    Or possibly vicious felons – either one.

  34. @Alden
    Intelligent selection of furniture. If the table’s solid wood it’s too heavy to be picked up and used to smash someone’s head. Looks to be about 40 inch diameter too wide for one person to pick up. Flimsy plastic chairs can be picked up but too flimsy to do much harm They also look very uncomfortable. So participants will be eager to leave.

    I keep having to remind myself it’s 2020, not 1970. All this was effected starting around 1965. It didn’t work and by 1985 it was tough on crime again. These rings go on cycles and we’re in for a long 30 year high crime cycle.
    A world without prisons will look like the worst sections of Atlanta, DC Detroit Philadelphia. Bahmoh Chicago.

    At some point there were plans to paint jail cells and common rooms pink in an effort to civilize the hyenas.

    The more things change.....

    Wouldn’t they just smother each other with the giant pillows?

  35. She was five years old when her family moved into a segregated neighborhood in rural Virginia.

    There;s no such thing as a rural neighborhood, segregated or otherwise.

    • Disagree: Cloudbuster
    • Replies: @Barnard
    To the people at the NY Times, Richmond is rural America. Anything outside the beltway is rural to them.
    , @Cloudbuster
    Of course there is. There's one just up the road from my farm. Rural areas are dotted with small neighborhoods -- unincorporated "towns" too small to even need a mayor. They are, I assure you, both neighborhoods, and rural.

    Even some of the incorporated towns in my area are so small that their residents live essentially rural lives. You don't actually have to be like me, out feeding the livestock every day, to qualify as a rural resident.
    , @Forbes

    She was five years old when her family moved into a segregated neighborhood in rural Virginia.
     
    Segregated, meaning a black neighborhood? She a mulatta, her family was integrated.
  36. I want to live in Oakland w its Mediterranean climate aka yr round temperature nirvana.

    Late Feb. thru early May is real temperate here in the Deep South. The rest of the year is so nasty you can’t really go out….

    Can i move into her digs in Oakland and she can come sweat her ass off in NOLA and fight the vestiges of slavery?

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
    Oakland and Berkeley are truly one of the most fantastic places for plants and flowers in the world. It is a Sunset #14 if ICRC where it never really freezes. That means that you can grow tropical plants in a temperate environment. There is always something in bloom. This time of year my family will drive through the Caldecott and be there in 10-15 minutes. We walk around eating ice cream cones in neighborhoods that are 100-120 years old with arts and crafts houses and gardens that are fully in bloom in the spring. The rest of it is shit but the plants are great.
  37. OT:
    Little seems to be being reported outside Jewish news sources about the very Orthodox character of the outbreak in Westchester NY that is the biggest outside Washington. This may be the US version of the outbreak in Korea due to the same causes of large congregations and close community activities and spreading among clusters of other Orthodox communities across the country. I’m not clear if the lawyer who is regarded as case-zero here is the same one who got his neighbour to drive him to straight to the hospital (Infecting his neighbour and potentially the ER) or the one who worked close to Grand Central in NYC.

    https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/new-york-jews-quarantined-in-mass-after-coronavirus-case-in-the-community-1.8627694

    In Orthodox communities, men are required by Jewish law to pray with a quorum of at least 10 men three times daily, so synagogues typically offer several daily services during the week in addition to Shabbat and holiday services.

    https://www.jta.org/2020/03/03/health/coronavirus-triggers-closures-mass-quarantines-for-new-york-jewish-community
    https://eu.lohud.com/story/news/local/new-york/2020/03/04/coronavirus-new-york-jewish-stigma/4951183002/

    Additionally, a woman living in Johnson county in Kansas has contracted the virus after visiting ‘the Northeast area’ where a large outbreak is taking place. This might be related to Westchester NY and more specifically New Rochelle and Orthodox community. (The confirmed cases who attended AIPAC were implied to be Hasidic or Orthodox and from New Rochelle or another nearby colony) She is the centre of much concern since she may be a ‘super-spreader’.

    https://www.kbia.org/post/first-cast-coronavirus-kansas-confirmed-johnson-county#stream/0

    I was curious because travel between Kansas and Westchester doesn’t seem like something to happen without a family or community connection. Turns out that Johnson county has a large Orthodox Jewish population. (It was also the site of an anti-Jewish shooting rampage in 2014)

    https://www.npr.org/2016/03/04/468944085/when-a-saturday-caucus-means-no-voting-for-orthodox-jews

    “OK, so one of the things that has to be done before the Sabbath starts is to get the food preparation, anything that needs to be cooked, cooked,” ,says Victor, who is one of about 15,000 Jews who live in Johnson County in suburban Kansas City. “Right here in our neighborhood, there are lots of Jewish families, and an overrepresentation of Orthodox Jewish families.”

    The subdivision he lives in is only a few blocks from the nearby Orthodox synagogue.

    And previously it was implied the individuals who exposed AIPAC to the virus were from the same community. But this extra layer of details was left out of mainstream news sources as far as I can see.

    https://forward.com/fast-forward/440954/aipac-alerts-participants-that-some-were-in-contact-with-coronavirus/

    It’s not clear from where in New York the group came from. Two Orthodox Jews from New Rochelle have contracted the virus.

    • Replies: @Charon
    Sounds like it's time to start physically withdrawing from society, unless you've been flying, or live in one of the affected metros, in which case it's probably too late.
    , @Anonymous
    The old Baptist church off Antioch down from the Unity Church is a orthodox shul or synogogue now, has been for years. People in walking distance sold their houses for a good profit and most were happy.

    There are afaik no kosher restaurants in Kansas City any more. There was Jacobsons deli over on 95th but it's been gone for decades and there was a kosher Subway but they folded or dekosherized too.
    , @Father O'Hara
    My God,Orthodox Jews AND Corona?
  38. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/10/world/australia/study-diversity-multicultural.html

    Australia is 24% Non-White.

    “those who have non-European and Indigenous backgrounds make up an estimated 24 percent of the Australian population”

     

    Which is a lot more than you'd think.

    Australia is 24% Non-White.

    “those who have non-European and Indigenous backgrounds make up an estimated 24 percent of the Australian population”

    Which is a lot more than you’d think.

    No, it’s not. I thought 30% would be about right.

    • Replies: @Charon
    In 1981, aboriginal people were approximately one percent of the population.

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ajag.12113

    If you see films of Australian life in the 1950s and 1960s, it looks completely white. And not incidentally, completely civilized.

    , @Fred C Dobbs
    I'm very surprised, and I like to think I'm pretty current on stuff like this.......Maybe things change faster than I thought.

    The number of Abos is actually relatively small...my Wiki source says 3.3%. Apart from a stray Malay or Filipino, I honestly though the rest was mostly from British Isles and a number of Greeks/Italians that arrived after WWII.
  39. @Dr. X
    That blackboard is such bullshit.

    I taught a few college classes to prison inmates. They were in there for real crimes --attempted murder, robbery, buurglary, rape, forcible sodomy -- not because of "racism" and "colonialism."

    The best inmate-students were the murderers (usually about half the class). Most of them had killed someone when they were young, and by the time they were in their early forties and coming up on their first parole hearing in a 25-to-life sentence, they were very, very committed students because they wanted to show the parole board how they had turned their lives around and were ready to be let out.

    The ones doing 6-7 years for drug offenses or burglary were the real cons, and I could tell they they were taking classes just because it was better than a work detail. Reform had nothing to do with it. Prison life involves a lot of tangible incentives: they sure as hell will "eagerly" go to Bible study, college classes, counseling and SJW bullshit if means that they don't have to mop floors, wash dishes, and get bitched out by COs.

    I had one inmate in particular who had obviously quit trying after the midterm exam and tried to bullshit his way through the second half of the semester with complete nonsense. I couldn't figure out what caused the sudden change... until I caught him with the answers to the final exam, and failed him.

    One a middle-aged white inmate had a vicious cocaine habit. He had been in and out of prison his entire life, been kicked out of the military, and lost a number of jobs over coke. He was doing his current stint after going on a week-long drug bender in which he ended up 200 miles away from home, penniless, with no idea how he had gotten there, and committed an armed robbery for more drug money.

    While he was in the joint and couldn't get his hands on cocaine he was a great guy and a model student, but he gave me the distinct impression that he would have stolen his grandmother's Social Security check in a heartbeat if he needed drug money.

    Recovering addicts can become functional surprisingly quick if in the right environment, particularly the triple digit IQ ones. A junkie who is genuinely ready to change typically has desires which are strong enough to get them off the ground, but the willpower is too fragile to sustain it long-term without the right sort of help for most people. Neural networks take time to reconfigure.

    So, the problem is relapsing once you remove them: willpower takes a much greater amount of time to (re)build than functionality.

    • Thanks: bomag
  40. @ben tillman

    She was five years old when her family moved into a segregated neighborhood in rural Virginia.
     
    There;s no such thing as a rural neighborhood, segregated or otherwise.

    To the people at the NY Times, Richmond is rural America. Anything outside the beltway is rural to them.

  41. If it’s a world without prisons, hopefully it will also be a world without police. As Glenn Reynolds has said, the main function of police isn’t to protect citizens from criminals, it is to protect criminals from the much harsher justice the citizens would mete out if they got their hands on them.

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
    I am sure that this is one of the driving factors behind the left's current crusade against assault weapons. When (((they))) mean abolishing prison, what they really mean is prisons for POC and leftists. If there were NO prisons, then the black crime & violence problem would be solved already.
    , @Kratoklastes

    As Glenn Reynolds has said, the main function of police isn’t to protect citizens from criminals, it is to protect criminals from the much harsher justice the citizens would mete out if they got their hands on them.
     
    Reynolds is only partly right.

    The primary purpose of police is to protect the political class by controlling the proles.

    They have no legal duty of care to the citizenry or to taxpayers - enshrined in US jurisprudence all the way back to South v Maryland (1856).
  42. @B36
    If Sanders is elected I suspect all the Ikea stores will be promptly nationalized and turned in to Restorative Justice Centers.

    I doubt it. Blacks don’t like Sanders and the feeling is mutual. If Bernie is elected, blacks will possess far less access to the White House than with Obama or Clinton. Blacks (and upper-middle class Boomer women) are a wrecking ball to the US Working Class. Bernie is of the “Old Left” school that viewed blacks as often troublesome to Unions as well as Corporate Management. Working Class blacks and whites dislike each other and the former make poor scabs. If he utilizes racial identity politics he’ll aim toward Hispanics. The immense urban political power once wielded by Blacks is being quickly eroded by gentrification, illegal/legal immigration, and Black flight. They’re on the decline.

    Regardless if the US is a:

    1) Globalized/Free Market Economy

    2) Socialist Economy

    3) National/Protectionist Economy

    Blacks will typically be on the Welfare equivalent of all three systems. People like Al Sharpton understand this and strategize to get the best deal available for himself and his people. (Louis Farrakhan seems more legit but I digress.) They’re a superb political weapon for “New Left” NeoLiberals like Bill Clinton to use against “Old Left” organizations. Bernie will have to deal with them (just like Trump with the Neocons) but on a far more reserved basis. There won’t be any Al Sharpton slumber parties at the White House like with Obama.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Older blacks don't like him. Black voters under 30 support him a lot more. Older people vote more, though.
    , @anon
    perfect lawn jockey pose
  43. @ben tillman

    She was five years old when her family moved into a segregated neighborhood in rural Virginia.
     
    There;s no such thing as a rural neighborhood, segregated or otherwise.

    Of course there is. There’s one just up the road from my farm. Rural areas are dotted with small neighborhoods — unincorporated “towns” too small to even need a mayor. They are, I assure you, both neighborhoods, and rural.

    Even some of the incorporated towns in my area are so small that their residents live essentially rural lives. You don’t actually have to be like me, out feeding the livestock every day, to qualify as a rural resident.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    I think ben tillman's point was that people who live in small rural villages and hamlets don't call them "neighborhoods", nor do the authorities. Grifting urbanites telling fake stories about the countryside do though.
  44. anonymous[117] • Disclaimer says:

    Ah, Syracuse. The local news up here between October and April is about snow, college basketball, and drive-by shootings.

    Go ‘Cuse!

  45. Anon[522] • Disclaimer says:

    Uh, anybody represent the folks whose cars the kid stole?

    In some high schools the idea of “restorative justice” has taken hold. This usually involves a teacher who takes a training course and who then leads kumbaya sessions with the students. So a large, menacing, held-back-for-a-year black student will bash a white student on the head (in the olden days, we called this a “felony”). Rather than being jailed, expelled, or suspenced, at the kumbaya session (a “circle of chairs” is always involved), the perp will be led to reflect on his actions and will end of saying something like, “Mister Clark, I just felt so frustrated because of the stress of living over across the tracks and always thinkin’ ’bout that slavery and stuff, and Tommy here looked at me that day and I could see him disrespectin’ my nappy hair, and I snapped.” Tommy doesn’t want to be there and is scared to death of the perp, but he is coerced into forgiving him. Everything is hunky dory and they go back into class together, Tommy in a constant state of terror. The perp ends up killing Tommy six months later (well, maybe, or he clobbers him again).

    Here’s an article on a report by the RAND corporation on middle and high school restorative justice and how it isn’t really working as planned:

    https://hechingerreport.org/the-promise-of-restorative-justice-starts-to-falter-under-rigorous-research/

    Restorative justice also requires a high degree of student buy-in. Students cannot be forced to talk about their grievances face-to-face with their classroom enemies. It’s a voluntary process and not every kid wants to talk.

    Voluntary, Yeah, right. I wonder if parents of the victim are involved.

    For garden variety bullying without physical violence maybe there is a place for it.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Thank God for private schools.

    The new Soros district attorney of San Francisco, Chesa Boudin is planning on restorative justice sessions between victims and criminals if the criminals are caught. His first pair are an elderly Asian man and a black man who robbed the old man’s shopping cart of aluminum cans and water bottles. The robbery and beating were all caught in camera. But Boudin has declined to charge the Orc.
    , @bomag
    I notice that in the courts of the land, you are expected to behave completely, or the police drag you off to jail.

    I would think that the schools of the land should have the same standards.
    , @kaganovitch
    For garden variety bullying without physical violence maybe there is a place for it.

    Ironically,the whole project is really a form of garden variety bullying.
  46. anonymous[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    A world without prisons would make the whole world a prison, period.


    But there is at least some justice for Ms. Van Buren over here in the wackadoodle libtopia of WA state:

    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/bill-protecting-black-hairstyles-from-discrimination-passes-legislature-awaits-inslees-signature/

    This is what our lawmakers have been busy doing while the entire state was gripped by coronavirus fear, they were busy passing such important laws. They also passed the all important Comprehensive Sex Ed for K-12 bill two days ago. Now our Kindergarteners will be taught all about gender identity and sexual orientation, and 4th graders will be taught what sex toys look like and how they work.

    We have a Defense of Hairstyle Law in NY as well, thanks to the new Democratic majority in both houses of the legislature (Gov. as well, of course, Cuomo II).

  47. @Reg Cæsar
    Australia discovers the benefits of diversity:


    https://twitter.com/i/status/1236178287472160768

    I don’t get what’s up with the woman filling her whole cart with toilet paper. Is toilet paper the one thing we can’t live without if the entire supply chain breaks down? I get having enough for about two months, but she has to have enough for a year?

    • Replies: @anon
    1, Preppers lists claim toilet paper is a hot barter item.
    2. The brawlers in the second vid appear to be Pacific Islanders. These people are huge eaters so if they were shopping for 2 families then a full trolley is just a weeks worth.
    3. Government in Australia isn't trusted for good reasons. The media here have been all but calling on the Federal Government to impose a china type solution.
    4. Other types of paper don't break down in water and end up causing a blockage in the pipe.
    , @Bill B.
    When the target area is so big you need more coverage. Ask Strategic Bomber Command.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    I don’t get what’s up with the woman filling her whole cart with toilet paper. Is toilet paper the one thing we can’t live without if the entire supply chain breaks down?
     
    Ain't many trees in Oz. It isn't Green Bay.


    https://images.offerup.com/4-AIdhurtkrAEyApX6F5gORhSw4=/600x800/310e/310efba65ef9469681bb095b8c4fa6b5.jpg
  48. >Judging from this picture, A World Without Prisons would chiefly differ from our world in being more color-coordinated in shades of blue.<

    The boots have jack booted look. So NYT.

  49. @Dr. X
    That blackboard is such bullshit.

    I taught a few college classes to prison inmates. They were in there for real crimes --attempted murder, robbery, buurglary, rape, forcible sodomy -- not because of "racism" and "colonialism."

    The best inmate-students were the murderers (usually about half the class). Most of them had killed someone when they were young, and by the time they were in their early forties and coming up on their first parole hearing in a 25-to-life sentence, they were very, very committed students because they wanted to show the parole board how they had turned their lives around and were ready to be let out.

    The ones doing 6-7 years for drug offenses or burglary were the real cons, and I could tell they they were taking classes just because it was better than a work detail. Reform had nothing to do with it. Prison life involves a lot of tangible incentives: they sure as hell will "eagerly" go to Bible study, college classes, counseling and SJW bullshit if means that they don't have to mop floors, wash dishes, and get bitched out by COs.

    I had one inmate in particular who had obviously quit trying after the midterm exam and tried to bullshit his way through the second half of the semester with complete nonsense. I couldn't figure out what caused the sudden change... until I caught him with the answers to the final exam, and failed him.

    One a middle-aged white inmate had a vicious cocaine habit. He had been in and out of prison his entire life, been kicked out of the military, and lost a number of jobs over coke. He was doing his current stint after going on a week-long drug bender in which he ended up 200 miles away from home, penniless, with no idea how he had gotten there, and committed an armed robbery for more drug money.

    While he was in the joint and couldn't get his hands on cocaine he was a great guy and a model student, but he gave me the distinct impression that he would have stolen his grandmother's Social Security check in a heartbeat if he needed drug money.

    I’ve heard from others that murderers are typically the least dysfunctional of prison inmates. Most murders are motivated by jealousy or revenge, feelings experienced by all of us, so most murderers are just like us, only unlucky enough to have made a very bad mistake.

    • Replies: @Corn
    Exceptions like serial killers aside, I’ve read that the murder/manslaughter guys have some of the lowest recidivism rates.

    If the sole purpose of a justice system was preventing recidivism (it’s not I know) then we’d actually go easy on homicide convicts and start hanging thieves, shoplifters, possibly some sex offenders.
    , @Dr. X
    Aside from the pure psycho murderers and gang killers, for most people doing time on a murder conviction, the killing was a one-off, atypical event.

    Beyond that, if you're doing 25-to-life you simply have to accept that you might never get out, and that acceptance mellows those guys. The guys doing a few years for a drug deal or burglary are angry they got caught and angry that they're incarcerated and just want to get back to their old life, but the murderers doing a minimum of 25 years can't stay angry that whole time and become a lot more positive about little things.

    One of my best, most thoughtful students was a soft-spoken, religious Puerto Rican in his early forties. I was shocked to find that he was doing time for murder when I looked up his conviction. He had probably killed somebody when he was only 18 or 19.

    By the time he was my student, he had gotten married and had three kids -- while in prison doing 25-life...
  50. @Alden
    Intelligent selection of furniture. If the table’s solid wood it’s too heavy to be picked up and used to smash someone’s head. Looks to be about 40 inch diameter too wide for one person to pick up. Flimsy plastic chairs can be picked up but too flimsy to do much harm They also look very uncomfortable. So participants will be eager to leave.

    I keep having to remind myself it’s 2020, not 1970. All this was effected starting around 1965. It didn’t work and by 1985 it was tough on crime again. These rings go on cycles and we’re in for a long 30 year high crime cycle.
    A world without prisons will look like the worst sections of Atlanta, DC Detroit Philadelphia. Bahmoh Chicago.

    At some point there were plans to paint jail cells and common rooms pink in an effort to civilize the hyenas.

    The more things change.....

    This film was long before my time but I enjoyed it. I think it does a superb job capturing the common liberal/progressive herpes flare-up that occurs every few years since the 1960s.

  51. OT – Yvonne Farrell and Shelley McNamara win the Pritzker Prize for Architecture:

    https://www.npr.org/2020/03/03/811030441/in-a-first-architectures-most-prestigious-prize-is-awarded-to-two-women

    Proving that women can express their loathing for humanity through soul-crushing architecture just as well as men.

    I am reminded of this:

    Actually a couple of the ladies’ buildings look okay.

  52. @ben tillman

    Australia is 24% Non-White.

    “those who have non-European and Indigenous backgrounds make up an estimated 24 percent of the Australian population”

    Which is a lot more than you’d think.
     
    No, it's not. I thought 30% would be about right.

    In 1981, aboriginal people were approximately one percent of the population.

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ajag.12113

    If you see films of Australian life in the 1950s and 1960s, it looks completely white. And not incidentally, completely civilized.

    • Replies: @anon
    Aboriginality now has financial benefits so many people with vanishingly small amounts identify aboriginal on the census. Government have been bringing a lot of africans in on various visas subcontinentals in on dodgy work visas and pacific islanders can enter from New Zealand and stay here forever.
    Many do just that
  53. @J.Ross
    This is probably massively more merciful, just, proportionate to the offense, and more corrective, on top of being insanely cheaper and safer.

    Are you insane? Do have any idea just how much of a massive F*** Up you have to be to even find yourself IN prison? There are off ramps after off ramps after off ramps.

    You have to be seriously determined to find yourself there.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    I agree that our system is bad and doesn't really work. Besides the traitorous and insane law school graduate religion of freeing criminals, our infinitely dumb system also manages to incarcerate truly innocent people. Replacing incarceration with five minutes of violence would solve many problems, including lightening the burden of what innocents find themselves wrongly convicted. They are still wronged but by far less.
  54. @UK
    Has Trump even been sick during the Presidency? Is he human? He's so old and yet seemingly hasn't been ill for years! I'm in great shape, not old and get sick. Why doesn't the avatar of American capitalism succumb to anything except what I find to be admirable crassness? Obviously astute Kanye said it concisely "dragon energy".

    Trump is an “emotional vampire.” The liberal tears since 2016 have made him healthy and strong.

    • Replies: @MollyA
    Peolosi, Schumer and Schiff , Maxine Waters and most of their cronies look and act like the Last Stand of the Living Dead, and you're ragging on Trump? Are you jealous because so many people turn up at his rallies while the Obamas had to pay people $6 in Atlanta a couple years ago, just to come see them? The Dems are party of the dead and stupid. Still, it has more to do with controlling the media and the official narrative, than party affiliation.
  55. @Lot
    CV Panic Update:

    German cases go from 66 to 795 in the past 7 days. Lufthansa cancels half its flights. British airline FlyBe files for bankruptcy, largest airline in dozens of smaller British markets.

    Bulgaria closes all schools.

    Italy set to ban travel in and out of Lombardy.

    States reporting their first cases yesterday: Hawaii, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Connecticut, Nebraska, Indiana, Minnesota, Pennsylvania South Carolina.

    Florida reports the east coast’s first two CV deaths.

    Italy hits 5800 cases.

    Second Iranian member of parliament dies, 10% are infected.

    I feel like we’re waiting for the tsunami to hit and there’s nowhere to escape to. I think most of the world’s population will be exposed eventually- it’s just a matter of how lethal it actually is.

  56. @Altai
    OT:
    Little seems to be being reported outside Jewish news sources about the very Orthodox character of the outbreak in Westchester NY that is the biggest outside Washington. This may be the US version of the outbreak in Korea due to the same causes of large congregations and close community activities and spreading among clusters of other Orthodox communities across the country. I'm not clear if the lawyer who is regarded as case-zero here is the same one who got his neighbour to drive him to straight to the hospital (Infecting his neighbour and potentially the ER) or the one who worked close to Grand Central in NYC.

    https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/new-york-jews-quarantined-in-mass-after-coronavirus-case-in-the-community-1.8627694


    In Orthodox communities, men are required by Jewish law to pray with a quorum of at least 10 men three times daily, so synagogues typically offer several daily services during the week in addition to Shabbat and holiday services.
     
    https://www.jta.org/2020/03/03/health/coronavirus-triggers-closures-mass-quarantines-for-new-york-jewish-community
    https://eu.lohud.com/story/news/local/new-york/2020/03/04/coronavirus-new-york-jewish-stigma/4951183002/


    Additionally, a woman living in Johnson county in Kansas has contracted the virus after visiting 'the Northeast area' where a large outbreak is taking place. This might be related to Westchester NY and more specifically New Rochelle and Orthodox community. (The confirmed cases who attended AIPAC were implied to be Hasidic or Orthodox and from New Rochelle or another nearby colony) She is the centre of much concern since she may be a 'super-spreader'.

    https://www.kbia.org/post/first-cast-coronavirus-kansas-confirmed-johnson-county#stream/0

    I was curious because travel between Kansas and Westchester doesn't seem like something to happen without a family or community connection. Turns out that Johnson county has a large Orthodox Jewish population. (It was also the site of an anti-Jewish shooting rampage in 2014)

    https://www.npr.org/2016/03/04/468944085/when-a-saturday-caucus-means-no-voting-for-orthodox-jews

    "OK, so one of the things that has to be done before the Sabbath starts is to get the food preparation, anything that needs to be cooked, cooked," ,says Victor, who is one of about 15,000 Jews who live in Johnson County in suburban Kansas City. "Right here in our neighborhood, there are lots of Jewish families, and an overrepresentation of Orthodox Jewish families."

    The subdivision he lives in is only a few blocks from the nearby Orthodox synagogue.
     

    And previously it was implied the individuals who exposed AIPAC to the virus were from the same community. But this extra layer of details was left out of mainstream news sources as far as I can see.

    https://forward.com/fast-forward/440954/aipac-alerts-participants-that-some-were-in-contact-with-coronavirus/


    It’s not clear from where in New York the group came from. Two Orthodox Jews from New Rochelle have contracted the virus.

     

    Sounds like it’s time to start physically withdrawing from society, unless you’ve been flying, or live in one of the affected metros, in which case it’s probably too late.

  57. @Change that Matters

    Ms. Van Buren, 47, co-founder of the Oakland-based nonprofit firm Designing Justice/Designing Spaces...
     
    There is it is; the "nonprofit".

    From the website:

    "Designing Justice + Designing Spaces is an Oakland-based nonprofit architecture and real estate development firm...

    Of course it is. Donations + consulting work + real estate development - taxes = laughing all the way to the bank.

    “……Donations + (Women/Minority Owned Business) consulting work + (Women/Minority Owned Business) real estate development – taxes = pushing your wheelbarrow filled with fairly easily acquired money all the way to the bank.

    There. fixed it. Needed some slight editing.

    • Replies: @Change that Matters
    I like your version better!
  58. Re “restorative justice,” I seem to recall Trump tried to set up such a meeting between the woman who killed the British motorcyclist and the boy’s parents. And boy did liberals pile on him for that. Outrageous! Tone deaf! 25th Amendment!

    It seems restorative justice is only good for liberals when they can force American whites to endure a masochistic struggle session where they get lectured on how privilege brought them to this fate. Otherwise, forget it.

  59. liberal tears since 2016 have made him healthy and strong.

    Good for him. Still no TrumpStaffel or Space Marines. Sad!

  60. If there were no jails then you would not have to worry if you retaliated against someone who wronged you. You would just deliver whatever justice you felt your transgressors deserved. Concealed Carry, vigilantes, and lethal traps baited with irresistible tid-bits would quickly tamp down the wildest of the bunch. The rest would go back to the safety of their ghettos where they could whimper about those racist white devils.

  61. @Reg Cæsar
    L.A. traffic is worse than I imagined:


    https://twitter.com/i/status/1235059730067808256
  62. The USA without prisons will look (and smell) a lot like Baltimore.

  63. Why don’t we free all the prisoners in New York, build a wall around the city, and get John Carpenter to film it? That way the NYT can get a real close up view of what it would be like.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Great idea brother! Wish it could be so.
    , @Neoconned
    I'm surprised no one has said the obvious....

    Whiskey/the PUAs/Heartiste etc have already noted....this woman's classes are probably a physical dating app.

    She gets a steady supply of felonious bad boys to baby sit before she gets them to hop in bed with her....its a perfect place to "find stallions to ride" on the c-ck carousel....
    , @MBlanc46
    As the woman at issue is from Oakland, perhaps our demonstration city should be Oakland.
  64. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai
    OT:
    Little seems to be being reported outside Jewish news sources about the very Orthodox character of the outbreak in Westchester NY that is the biggest outside Washington. This may be the US version of the outbreak in Korea due to the same causes of large congregations and close community activities and spreading among clusters of other Orthodox communities across the country. I'm not clear if the lawyer who is regarded as case-zero here is the same one who got his neighbour to drive him to straight to the hospital (Infecting his neighbour and potentially the ER) or the one who worked close to Grand Central in NYC.

    https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/new-york-jews-quarantined-in-mass-after-coronavirus-case-in-the-community-1.8627694


    In Orthodox communities, men are required by Jewish law to pray with a quorum of at least 10 men three times daily, so synagogues typically offer several daily services during the week in addition to Shabbat and holiday services.
     
    https://www.jta.org/2020/03/03/health/coronavirus-triggers-closures-mass-quarantines-for-new-york-jewish-community
    https://eu.lohud.com/story/news/local/new-york/2020/03/04/coronavirus-new-york-jewish-stigma/4951183002/


    Additionally, a woman living in Johnson county in Kansas has contracted the virus after visiting 'the Northeast area' where a large outbreak is taking place. This might be related to Westchester NY and more specifically New Rochelle and Orthodox community. (The confirmed cases who attended AIPAC were implied to be Hasidic or Orthodox and from New Rochelle or another nearby colony) She is the centre of much concern since she may be a 'super-spreader'.

    https://www.kbia.org/post/first-cast-coronavirus-kansas-confirmed-johnson-county#stream/0

    I was curious because travel between Kansas and Westchester doesn't seem like something to happen without a family or community connection. Turns out that Johnson county has a large Orthodox Jewish population. (It was also the site of an anti-Jewish shooting rampage in 2014)

    https://www.npr.org/2016/03/04/468944085/when-a-saturday-caucus-means-no-voting-for-orthodox-jews

    "OK, so one of the things that has to be done before the Sabbath starts is to get the food preparation, anything that needs to be cooked, cooked," ,says Victor, who is one of about 15,000 Jews who live in Johnson County in suburban Kansas City. "Right here in our neighborhood, there are lots of Jewish families, and an overrepresentation of Orthodox Jewish families."

    The subdivision he lives in is only a few blocks from the nearby Orthodox synagogue.
     

    And previously it was implied the individuals who exposed AIPAC to the virus were from the same community. But this extra layer of details was left out of mainstream news sources as far as I can see.

    https://forward.com/fast-forward/440954/aipac-alerts-participants-that-some-were-in-contact-with-coronavirus/


    It’s not clear from where in New York the group came from. Two Orthodox Jews from New Rochelle have contracted the virus.

     

    The old Baptist church off Antioch down from the Unity Church is a orthodox shul or synogogue now, has been for years. People in walking distance sold their houses for a good profit and most were happy.

    There are afaik no kosher restaurants in Kansas City any more. There was Jacobsons deli over on 95th but it’s been gone for decades and there was a kosher Subway but they folded or dekosherized too.

  65. @Altai
    OT:
    Little seems to be being reported outside Jewish news sources about the very Orthodox character of the outbreak in Westchester NY that is the biggest outside Washington. This may be the US version of the outbreak in Korea due to the same causes of large congregations and close community activities and spreading among clusters of other Orthodox communities across the country. I'm not clear if the lawyer who is regarded as case-zero here is the same one who got his neighbour to drive him to straight to the hospital (Infecting his neighbour and potentially the ER) or the one who worked close to Grand Central in NYC.

    https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/new-york-jews-quarantined-in-mass-after-coronavirus-case-in-the-community-1.8627694


    In Orthodox communities, men are required by Jewish law to pray with a quorum of at least 10 men three times daily, so synagogues typically offer several daily services during the week in addition to Shabbat and holiday services.
     
    https://www.jta.org/2020/03/03/health/coronavirus-triggers-closures-mass-quarantines-for-new-york-jewish-community
    https://eu.lohud.com/story/news/local/new-york/2020/03/04/coronavirus-new-york-jewish-stigma/4951183002/


    Additionally, a woman living in Johnson county in Kansas has contracted the virus after visiting 'the Northeast area' where a large outbreak is taking place. This might be related to Westchester NY and more specifically New Rochelle and Orthodox community. (The confirmed cases who attended AIPAC were implied to be Hasidic or Orthodox and from New Rochelle or another nearby colony) She is the centre of much concern since she may be a 'super-spreader'.

    https://www.kbia.org/post/first-cast-coronavirus-kansas-confirmed-johnson-county#stream/0

    I was curious because travel between Kansas and Westchester doesn't seem like something to happen without a family or community connection. Turns out that Johnson county has a large Orthodox Jewish population. (It was also the site of an anti-Jewish shooting rampage in 2014)

    https://www.npr.org/2016/03/04/468944085/when-a-saturday-caucus-means-no-voting-for-orthodox-jews

    "OK, so one of the things that has to be done before the Sabbath starts is to get the food preparation, anything that needs to be cooked, cooked," ,says Victor, who is one of about 15,000 Jews who live in Johnson County in suburban Kansas City. "Right here in our neighborhood, there are lots of Jewish families, and an overrepresentation of Orthodox Jewish families."

    The subdivision he lives in is only a few blocks from the nearby Orthodox synagogue.
     

    And previously it was implied the individuals who exposed AIPAC to the virus were from the same community. But this extra layer of details was left out of mainstream news sources as far as I can see.

    https://forward.com/fast-forward/440954/aipac-alerts-participants-that-some-were-in-contact-with-coronavirus/


    It’s not clear from where in New York the group came from. Two Orthodox Jews from New Rochelle have contracted the virus.

     

    My God,Orthodox Jews AND Corona?

    • Replies: @Charon
    A match made in heaven. Praise Yahweh!
  66. @ben tillman

    Australia is 24% Non-White.

    “those who have non-European and Indigenous backgrounds make up an estimated 24 percent of the Australian population”

    Which is a lot more than you’d think.
     
    No, it's not. I thought 30% would be about right.

    I’m very surprised, and I like to think I’m pretty current on stuff like this…….Maybe things change faster than I thought.

    The number of Abos is actually relatively small…my Wiki source says 3.3%. Apart from a stray Malay or Filipino, I honestly though the rest was mostly from British Isles and a number of Greeks/Italians that arrived after WWII.

    • Replies: @anon

    The number of Abos is actually relatively small…my Wiki source says 3.3%.
     
    That's inclusive of whites with as much Abo in them as Elisabeth Warren has Cherokee.
    The figure for identifiably Abo would be less than 1%; 1% equaling 260,000 people.
    Queensland prison system is about 70% Abos, Western Australia is similar.
    , @ben tillman
    It's being taken over by China.
  67. @Enochian
    Why don't we free all the prisoners in New York, build a wall around the city, and get John Carpenter to film it? That way the NYT can get a real close up view of what it would be like.

    Great idea brother! Wish it could be so.

  68. What would a world without prisons look like?

    Well….

  69. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    I don't get what's up with the woman filling her whole cart with toilet paper. Is toilet paper the one thing we can't live without if the entire supply chain breaks down? I get having enough for about two months, but she has to have enough for a year?

    1, Preppers lists claim toilet paper is a hot barter item.
    2. The brawlers in the second vid appear to be Pacific Islanders. These people are huge eaters so if they were shopping for 2 families then a full trolley is just a weeks worth.
    3. Government in Australia isn’t trusted for good reasons. The media here have been all but calling on the Federal Government to impose a china type solution.
    4. Other types of paper don’t break down in water and end up causing a blockage in the pipe.

    • Replies: @International Jew

    Other types of paper don’t break down in water and end up causing a blockage in the pipe.
     
    Great point! No toilet paper —> people go with newsprint —> blocked toilets —> cholera.

    Maybe the French have always been on to something, with their bidets.

  70. @Harry Baldwin
    I don't get what's up with the woman filling her whole cart with toilet paper. Is toilet paper the one thing we can't live without if the entire supply chain breaks down? I get having enough for about two months, but she has to have enough for a year?

    When the target area is so big you need more coverage. Ask Strategic Bomber Command.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    When the target area is so big you need more coverage. Ask Strategic Bomber Command.

     

    Rosie O'Donnell's reply to Sheryl Crow's (jocular, though misinterpreted) suggestion to use only one square of TP per session:

    "Have you seen my ass?"
  71. @Fred C Dobbs
    "......Donations + (Women/Minority Owned Business) consulting work + (Women/Minority Owned Business) real estate development – taxes = pushing your wheelbarrow filled with fairly easily acquired money all the way to the bank.

    There. fixed it. Needed some slight editing.

    I like your version better!

  72. @Neoconned
    I want to live in Oakland w its Mediterranean climate aka yr round temperature nirvana.

    Late Feb. thru early May is real temperate here in the Deep South. The rest of the year is so nasty you can't really go out....

    Can i move into her digs in Oakland and she can come sweat her ass off in NOLA and fight the vestiges of slavery?

    Oakland and Berkeley are truly one of the most fantastic places for plants and flowers in the world. It is a Sunset #14 if ICRC where it never really freezes. That means that you can grow tropical plants in a temperate environment. There is always something in bloom. This time of year my family will drive through the Caldecott and be there in 10-15 minutes. We walk around eating ice cream cones in neighborhoods that are 100-120 years old with arts and crafts houses and gardens that are fully in bloom in the spring. The rest of it is shit but the plants are great.

  73. @Cloudbuster
    If it's a world without prisons, hopefully it will also be a world without police. As Glenn Reynolds has said, the main function of police isn't to protect citizens from criminals, it is to protect criminals from the much harsher justice the citizens would mete out if they got their hands on them.

    I am sure that this is one of the driving factors behind the left’s current crusade against assault weapons. When (((they))) mean abolishing prison, what they really mean is prisons for POC and leftists. If there were NO prisons, then the black crime & violence problem would be solved already.

  74. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charon
    In 1981, aboriginal people were approximately one percent of the population.

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ajag.12113

    If you see films of Australian life in the 1950s and 1960s, it looks completely white. And not incidentally, completely civilized.

    Aboriginality now has financial benefits so many people with vanishingly small amounts identify aboriginal on the census. Government have been bringing a lot of africans in on various visas subcontinentals in on dodgy work visas and pacific islanders can enter from New Zealand and stay here forever.
    Many do just that

  75. @JohnnyWalker123
    Uh oh.......

    https://twitter.com/ColbyItkowitz/status/1236446922250096646

    Carrier was from Westchester NY. How’s that “Welcome Semites” policy working out, CPAC?

  76. @Alden
    Intelligent selection of furniture. If the table’s solid wood it’s too heavy to be picked up and used to smash someone’s head. Looks to be about 40 inch diameter too wide for one person to pick up. Flimsy plastic chairs can be picked up but too flimsy to do much harm They also look very uncomfortable. So participants will be eager to leave.

    I keep having to remind myself it’s 2020, not 1970. All this was effected starting around 1965. It didn’t work and by 1985 it was tough on crime again. These rings go on cycles and we’re in for a long 30 year high crime cycle.
    A world without prisons will look like the worst sections of Atlanta, DC Detroit Philadelphia. Bahmoh Chicago.

    At some point there were plans to paint jail cells and common rooms pink in an effort to civilize the hyenas.

    The more things change.....

    If that table is solid wood, it would be expensive — easily $1000, depending on the wood.

  77. “Restorative justice”

    “Social justice”

    In other words, “Justice” with enough nonsense tacked on to make it “Not Justice.” Sort of like a glass of orange juice with a few tablespoons of dog poop added.

    In “Republic,” Plato tries to answer the question “What is justice?” After 500-plus pages of babbling about imaginary metaphorical caves, and kings who would rather study philosophy than rule as kings, his answer to the original question is confusing and inconclusive.

    But these ninnies want to tag on extra words, and somehow the answer will be clearer.

    Restorative justice means, Hand ovah yo wallet, cracka.

    Social justice means, ALL a y’all crackaz hand ovah ALL a y’all wallets.

    • Replies: @vinteuil

    In “Republic,” Plato tries to answer the question “What is justice?” After 500-plus pages of babbling about imaginary metaphorical caves, and kings who would rather study philosophy than rule as kings, his answer to the original question is confusing and inconclusive.
     
    No. Plato defines "justice," in the individual & in the state, quite succinctly in Book 4 of the Republic.
    , @MBlanc46
    The answer comes when you come out of the (metaphorical) cave and stand in the blinding light of the (metaphorical) Sun. That can’t be written about, it must be experienced.
  78. @flyingtiger
    The bus reminded me of those Willis Wagons the black people protested against. She cannot do her Dredd Scott cosplay here because the localCivil War reenactment was cancelled by Black people. Burning Man tickets are very expensive. Where does she get her money from. She must be loaded.

    Her white grandparents, would be my guess.

  79. @Bill B.
    When the target area is so big you need more coverage. Ask Strategic Bomber Command.

    When the target area is so big you need more coverage. Ask Strategic Bomber Command.

    Rosie O’Donnell’s reply to Sheryl Crow’s (jocular, though misinterpreted) suggestion to use only one square of TP per session:

    “Have you seen my ass?”

  80. @Harry Baldwin
    I don't get what's up with the woman filling her whole cart with toilet paper. Is toilet paper the one thing we can't live without if the entire supply chain breaks down? I get having enough for about two months, but she has to have enough for a year?

    I don’t get what’s up with the woman filling her whole cart with toilet paper. Is toilet paper the one thing we can’t live without if the entire supply chain breaks down?

    Ain’t many trees in Oz. It isn’t Green Bay.

  81. @Kronos
    I doubt it. Blacks don’t like Sanders and the feeling is mutual. If Bernie is elected, blacks will possess far less access to the White House than with Obama or Clinton. Blacks (and upper-middle class Boomer women) are a wrecking ball to the US Working Class. Bernie is of the “Old Left” school that viewed blacks as often troublesome to Unions as well as Corporate Management. Working Class blacks and whites dislike each other and the former make poor scabs. If he utilizes racial identity politics he’ll aim toward Hispanics. The immense urban political power once wielded by Blacks is being quickly eroded by gentrification, illegal/legal immigration, and Black flight. They’re on the decline.

    Regardless if the US is a:

    1) Globalized/Free Market Economy

    2) Socialist Economy

    3) National/Protectionist Economy

    Blacks will typically be on the Welfare equivalent of all three systems. People like Al Sharpton understand this and strategize to get the best deal available for himself and his people. (Louis Farrakhan seems more legit but I digress.) They’re a superb political weapon for “New Left” NeoLiberals like Bill Clinton to use against “Old Left” organizations. Bernie will have to deal with them (just like Trump with the Neocons) but on a far more reserved basis. There won’t be any Al Sharpton slumber parties at the White House like with Obama.

    https://www.vladtv.com/images/size_fs/video_image-466582.jpg

    Older blacks don’t like him. Black voters under 30 support him a lot more. Older people vote more, though.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    Regardless, he’s seen as an official racial ambassador by white (rich) liberals. He visited the Obama White House quite often. (Though I believe the number is a little lower with Trump these days.)

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2015/02/28/eric-holder-defends-al-sharptons-ties-to-white-house-despite-tax-debts/#250fbad2551a

  82. @anon
    1, Preppers lists claim toilet paper is a hot barter item.
    2. The brawlers in the second vid appear to be Pacific Islanders. These people are huge eaters so if they were shopping for 2 families then a full trolley is just a weeks worth.
    3. Government in Australia isn't trusted for good reasons. The media here have been all but calling on the Federal Government to impose a china type solution.
    4. Other types of paper don't break down in water and end up causing a blockage in the pipe.

    Other types of paper don’t break down in water and end up causing a blockage in the pipe.

    Great point! No toilet paper —> people go with newsprint —> blocked toilets —> cholera.

    Maybe the French have always been on to something, with their bidets.

    • Replies: @Kim
    In Indonesia they just use their left hand in conjunction with dippers of water managed with the right hand. Afterwards, one thoroughly washes the hands. Works just fine. Of course they use squat toilets with a mandi (water reservoir) on the right.
  83. @nebulafox
    Older blacks don't like him. Black voters under 30 support him a lot more. Older people vote more, though.

    Regardless, he’s seen as an official racial ambassador by white (rich) liberals. He visited the Obama White House quite often. (Though I believe the number is a little lower with Trump these days.)

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2015/02/28/eric-holder-defends-al-sharptons-ties-to-white-house-despite-tax-debts/#250fbad2551a

  84. @Arclight
    Our country will be ruined by neurotic women in positions of influence and the men trying to bed them.

    They aren’t even trying to bed them; it’s more like please and appease. Modern men are very, very weak and needy. Why?

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Two generations of female preferences and deferral to women have made modern males into wimps.

    If you attend a club these days patronized by the post-college (mid-20s to upper-30s) singles crowd, the women behave as men formerly did--boisterous, drinking shots, rambunctious carrying-on, while the men act as women previously did--standing aside, somewhat demur and deferring to women who call the shots. It's a Sadie Hawkins dance come true.

    A friend of mine is a club owner, so I've seen this trend in behavior over a couple decades. It's not entirely so, but increasingly every year as the younger generation graduates into the working world, their behavior begins to dominate as the older ones move on to marriage and/or other leisure-time choices.

    The owner and I have shared more than a few head-shaking glances wondering what has become of men today. It's pathetic.
  85. @International Jew

    Other types of paper don’t break down in water and end up causing a blockage in the pipe.
     
    Great point! No toilet paper —> people go with newsprint —> blocked toilets —> cholera.

    Maybe the French have always been on to something, with their bidets.

    In Indonesia they just use their left hand in conjunction with dippers of water managed with the right hand. Afterwards, one thoroughly washes the hands. Works just fine. Of course they use squat toilets with a mandi (water reservoir) on the right.

  86. @Fred C Dobbs
    I'm very surprised, and I like to think I'm pretty current on stuff like this.......Maybe things change faster than I thought.

    The number of Abos is actually relatively small...my Wiki source says 3.3%. Apart from a stray Malay or Filipino, I honestly though the rest was mostly from British Isles and a number of Greeks/Italians that arrived after WWII.

    The number of Abos is actually relatively small…my Wiki source says 3.3%.

    That’s inclusive of whites with as much Abo in them as Elisabeth Warren has Cherokee.
    The figure for identifiably Abo would be less than 1%; 1% equaling 260,000 people.
    Queensland prison system is about 70% Abos, Western Australia is similar.

  87. @Anon

    Uh, anybody represent the folks whose cars the kid stole?
     
    In some high schools the idea of "restorative justice" has taken hold. This usually involves a teacher who takes a training course and who then leads kumbaya sessions with the students. So a large, menacing, held-back-for-a-year black student will bash a white student on the head (in the olden days, we called this a "felony"). Rather than being jailed, expelled, or suspenced, at the kumbaya session (a "circle of chairs" is always involved), the perp will be led to reflect on his actions and will end of saying something like, "Mister Clark, I just felt so frustrated because of the stress of living over across the tracks and always thinkin' 'bout that slavery and stuff, and Tommy here looked at me that day and I could see him disrespectin' my nappy hair, and I snapped." Tommy doesn't want to be there and is scared to death of the perp, but he is coerced into forgiving him. Everything is hunky dory and they go back into class together, Tommy in a constant state of terror. The perp ends up killing Tommy six months later (well, maybe, or he clobbers him again).

    Here's an article on a report by the RAND corporation on middle and high school restorative justice and how it isn't really working as planned:

    https://hechingerreport.org/the-promise-of-restorative-justice-starts-to-falter-under-rigorous-research/

    Restorative justice also requires a high degree of student buy-in. Students cannot be forced to talk about their grievances face-to-face with their classroom enemies. It’s a voluntary process and not every kid wants to talk.
     
    Voluntary, Yeah, right. I wonder if parents of the victim are involved.

    For garden variety bullying without physical violence maybe there is a place for it.

    Thank God for private schools.

    The new Soros district attorney of San Francisco, Chesa Boudin is planning on restorative justice sessions between victims and criminals if the criminals are caught. His first pair are an elderly Asian man and a black man who robbed the old man’s shopping cart of aluminum cans and water bottles. The robbery and beating were all caught in camera. But Boudin has declined to charge the Orc.

  88. Actually, there is a way to have no long-term imprisonment, maintenance of deterrence , reducing the crime equivalent to the amount which is achieved by putting criminals away for some time, and – in average – not punishing the criminals too severely: The partial death penalty. It is not my idea, I read in one of David Friedman’s books (AFAIR it was”Law’s Order”).
    So instead of prison time, a criminal is sentenced to be executed by a method that only works with a certain probability. This probability is determined as the ratio between his future life expectancy and the prison time he would have received under the old regime. So suppose a criminal is 45, has a life expectancy of 75 years and (in the old regime) would be sentenced to 20 years in prison. Then the probability would be 20/(75-45)=2/3. (If the ratio is greater one, it is rounded down to one). So – in our case – the next day, the court marshall loads a standard six-shooter colt with 4 cartridges, spins the drum, holds the gun against the head of condemned, and shoots once.
    If he survives, the defendant is set free.
    So in this system, you have no long-term prisons. You have deterrence – broadcast executions on TV and offer the possibility on betting: Like in our example, bring 6 prisoners (with the same sentence) together and only use one gun: then you have guaranteed 4 gory deaths! Think of a show of this type, and the revenue of the ads could be used to pay for the victims of the crimes…
    We would – on average – have the same effect as imprisoning on crime prevention (well, under the assumption that serious criminals don’t change): So instead of putting all criminals away for a short amount of time, you put away a smaller fraction away for good! So if you calculate the odds in the way described in the formula, you achieve on average the same effect in criminals*years for the society.
    Lastly, it is not unfair to the criminals. If you think as prison as lost time in the life, the criminals – on average lose the same amount of years of life in both systems.
    Clearly, the system would need some tweaking – what happens if the ratio is not a multiple of 1/6, but this can easily be solved (e.g. if the ratio is 5/12, then the judge throws a dice – heads its 1/3 = 2/6 probability, and tails its 1/2=3/6)…
    Anyway, there would be a lot of savings, which could be invested in catching criminals: I heard that criminals are much more deterred by the probability of getting caught than the severity of the punishment!

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    Or you either
    -- beat or flog (for minor jackassery offenses)
    -- chase continual miscreants from your society
    -- execute the serious offenders and a*holes who won't leave and keep causing problems

    as people did to protect themselves for eons before some reformist bozos decided "prisons" or "reformatories" were actually a good idea.

    This is not difficult. People who do not want to follow the norms and values of a society should not be in it.
  89. “A world without prisons” isn’t that hard to imagine. It’s basically the world of the “Mad Max” movies. I had this idea that those were supposed to be dystopian, but perhaps I was wrong.

    Come to think of it, one of the films informs us that Lord Humungus is “a reasonable man.”

  90. @Reg Cæsar
    The room in that photo is reminiscent of the euthanasia scene in Soylent Green:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOV8mBjHHYg&t=2m35s

    A world (civilisation) without prisons (plural) is factual. Republican Rome had only one prison — the Tullianum. Generally used to hold a prisoner prior to execution.
    (there may have been prison camps for lower class individuals however I’m not sure.)

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Agree. We already know from history what a world without prisons would look like: gibbets, stocks, caning posts, and public whippings. Also, heads on pikes. And vigilante parties and blood feuds.

    So, maybe kinda kewl if your tastes run that way.

    I suspect, though, that like boomers and the cold war, we'll miss prisons when they're gone.

  91. In 21st Century American culture, our natural rulers are assumed to be those from the Obama-like Biracial Elite, who grew up in nice white neighborhoods, but who have enough black body so that they no doubt have tragic stories about white children touching their hair.

    Irony aside- not. Nobody expects biracials- who are few & far between- to pose as a kind of “elite”. They’re just rare, very rare exotic outliers.

    • Replies: @Travis
    Biracial americans are more common than Jews

    the 2010 census counted 9 million mixed-race people. Although most mixed mulattos will claim to be Black on the census. the census undercounts the number of mulattos in America because most mulattos , like Obama, self identify as Black instead of being mixed race.
  92. @Anon

    Uh, anybody represent the folks whose cars the kid stole?
     
    In some high schools the idea of "restorative justice" has taken hold. This usually involves a teacher who takes a training course and who then leads kumbaya sessions with the students. So a large, menacing, held-back-for-a-year black student will bash a white student on the head (in the olden days, we called this a "felony"). Rather than being jailed, expelled, or suspenced, at the kumbaya session (a "circle of chairs" is always involved), the perp will be led to reflect on his actions and will end of saying something like, "Mister Clark, I just felt so frustrated because of the stress of living over across the tracks and always thinkin' 'bout that slavery and stuff, and Tommy here looked at me that day and I could see him disrespectin' my nappy hair, and I snapped." Tommy doesn't want to be there and is scared to death of the perp, but he is coerced into forgiving him. Everything is hunky dory and they go back into class together, Tommy in a constant state of terror. The perp ends up killing Tommy six months later (well, maybe, or he clobbers him again).

    Here's an article on a report by the RAND corporation on middle and high school restorative justice and how it isn't really working as planned:

    https://hechingerreport.org/the-promise-of-restorative-justice-starts-to-falter-under-rigorous-research/

    Restorative justice also requires a high degree of student buy-in. Students cannot be forced to talk about their grievances face-to-face with their classroom enemies. It’s a voluntary process and not every kid wants to talk.
     
    Voluntary, Yeah, right. I wonder if parents of the victim are involved.

    For garden variety bullying without physical violence maybe there is a place for it.

    I notice that in the courts of the land, you are expected to behave completely, or the police drag you off to jail.

    I would think that the schools of the land should have the same standards.

  93. Her efforts have dovetailed with growing public acknowledgment of racial bias inherent in the criminal justice system.

    Irony abounds, considering which racial group is underrepresented per crimes committed.

  94. @Cloudbuster
    Of course there is. There's one just up the road from my farm. Rural areas are dotted with small neighborhoods -- unincorporated "towns" too small to even need a mayor. They are, I assure you, both neighborhoods, and rural.

    Even some of the incorporated towns in my area are so small that their residents live essentially rural lives. You don't actually have to be like me, out feeding the livestock every day, to qualify as a rural resident.

    I think ben tillman‘s point was that people who live in small rural villages and hamlets don’t call them “neighborhoods”, nor do the authorities. Grifting urbanites telling fake stories about the countryside do though.

    • Agree: Forbes, ben tillman
    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Yet another failure in precision and conception of language, really. The word "neighborhood" is differentiating in its meaning: in order to have a neighborhood, there must be at least one other neighborhood nearby, and some way of telling the difference between the two (ethnic makeup, class or wealth distinction, a noticeable physical barrier, something). "I live in a nice neighborhood," "I grew up in a rough neighborhood," "Avoid the white-privilege neighborhood, they might kill you with their privilege," etc.

    If you live in a tiny rural town where everyone is pretty much the same, and the main drag is only five blocks long, you can't really call it a neighborhood, unless there is another one nearby that is somehow different.
    , @Cloudbuster
    They call them lots of things. Rural people across the country are not a monolith, especially in their colloquial use of language.
  95. @animalogic
    A world (civilisation) without prisons (plural) is factual. Republican Rome had only one prison -- the Tullianum. Generally used to hold a prisoner prior to execution.
    (there may have been prison camps for lower class individuals however I'm not sure.)

    Agree. We already know from history what a world without prisons would look like: gibbets, stocks, caning posts, and public whippings. Also, heads on pikes. And vigilante parties and blood feuds.

    So, maybe kinda kewl if your tastes run that way.

    I suspect, though, that like boomers and the cold war, we’ll miss prisons when they’re gone.

  96. @Kronos
    I doubt it. Blacks don’t like Sanders and the feeling is mutual. If Bernie is elected, blacks will possess far less access to the White House than with Obama or Clinton. Blacks (and upper-middle class Boomer women) are a wrecking ball to the US Working Class. Bernie is of the “Old Left” school that viewed blacks as often troublesome to Unions as well as Corporate Management. Working Class blacks and whites dislike each other and the former make poor scabs. If he utilizes racial identity politics he’ll aim toward Hispanics. The immense urban political power once wielded by Blacks is being quickly eroded by gentrification, illegal/legal immigration, and Black flight. They’re on the decline.

    Regardless if the US is a:

    1) Globalized/Free Market Economy

    2) Socialist Economy

    3) National/Protectionist Economy

    Blacks will typically be on the Welfare equivalent of all three systems. People like Al Sharpton understand this and strategize to get the best deal available for himself and his people. (Louis Farrakhan seems more legit but I digress.) They’re a superb political weapon for “New Left” NeoLiberals like Bill Clinton to use against “Old Left” organizations. Bernie will have to deal with them (just like Trump with the Neocons) but on a far more reserved basis. There won’t be any Al Sharpton slumber parties at the White House like with Obama.

    https://www.vladtv.com/images/size_fs/video_image-466582.jpg

    perfect lawn jockey pose

  97. She was five years old when her family moved into a segregated neighborhood in rural Virginia.

    No one noticed this obvious lie by the JYT writer and editor? Segregation has been illegal for longer than this woman has been alive.

    Is the JYT even capable of publishing a paper anymore without race-baiting whites on every page?

  98. @Anon
    A world without prisons would make the whole world a prison, period.


    But there is at least some justice for Ms. Van Buren over here in the wackadoodle libtopia of WA state:

    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/bill-protecting-black-hairstyles-from-discrimination-passes-legislature-awaits-inslees-signature/

    This is what our lawmakers have been busy doing while the entire state was gripped by coronavirus fear, they were busy passing such important laws. They also passed the all important Comprehensive Sex Ed for K-12 bill two days ago. Now our Kindergarteners will be taught all about gender identity and sexual orientation, and 4th graders will be taught what sex toys look like and how they work.

  99. @Bardon Kaldian

    In 21st Century American culture, our natural rulers are assumed to be those from the Obama-like Biracial Elite, who grew up in nice white neighborhoods, but who have enough black body so that they no doubt have tragic stories about white children touching their hair.
     
    Irony aside- not. Nobody expects biracials- who are few & far between- to pose as a kind of "elite". They're just rare, very rare exotic outliers.

    Biracial americans are more common than Jews

    the 2010 census counted 9 million mixed-race people. Although most mixed mulattos will claim to be Black on the census. the census undercounts the number of mulattos in America because most mulattos , like Obama, self identify as Black instead of being mixed race.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    There is mixed and there is "mixed". Most, virtually all blacks with one white parent remain blacks; so called biracials are mostly a mix of whites & Injuns or Asians. It all depends on their looks & identity.

    As regards looks, I've seen photo of that Tiger mom author (Amy Something?) & her daughters (I think her husband is Jewish). Well, they may insist they're biracial, or Jewish- but, these young women are Chinese through & through.

    Just look at them.
  100. @Almost Missouri
    I think ben tillman's point was that people who live in small rural villages and hamlets don't call them "neighborhoods", nor do the authorities. Grifting urbanites telling fake stories about the countryside do though.

    Yet another failure in precision and conception of language, really. The word “neighborhood” is differentiating in its meaning: in order to have a neighborhood, there must be at least one other neighborhood nearby, and some way of telling the difference between the two (ethnic makeup, class or wealth distinction, a noticeable physical barrier, something). “I live in a nice neighborhood,” “I grew up in a rough neighborhood,” “Avoid the white-privilege neighborhood, they might kill you with their privilege,” etc.

    If you live in a tiny rural town where everyone is pretty much the same, and the main drag is only five blocks long, you can’t really call it a neighborhood, unless there is another one nearby that is somehow different.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  101. @Almost Missouri
    I think ben tillman's point was that people who live in small rural villages and hamlets don't call them "neighborhoods", nor do the authorities. Grifting urbanites telling fake stories about the countryside do though.

    They call them lots of things. Rural people across the country are not a monolith, especially in their colloquial use of language.

  102. A: The South Bronx, a favela in Brasil, or Jo’burg.

  103. @Cato
    I've heard from others that murderers are typically the least dysfunctional of prison inmates. Most murders are motivated by jealousy or revenge, feelings experienced by all of us, so most murderers are just like us, only unlucky enough to have made a very bad mistake.

    Exceptions like serial killers aside, I’ve read that the murder/manslaughter guys have some of the lowest recidivism rates.

    If the sole purpose of a justice system was preventing recidivism (it’s not I know) then we’d actually go easy on homicide convicts and start hanging thieves, shoplifters, possibly some sex offenders.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    It is a rule that whenever some expert explains that our system is one of correction or reform, they enter into a Joseph Heller type word swamp and come out embracing punishment. If you ask stupid sub-expert questions about that, you get verbal evidence that our system is one of correction and interverbal evidence that it's punishment.
    Our legal chaos is the worst part of our societal fragmentation: it's clear that it fundamentally does not work, the procedure is divorced from a good or any mission, the knowledgeable are bogged down in details or silenced by careerism, something which should be solvable with a debate and some legislating is intractable, and nobody is allowed to talk honestly and publicly about the worst (and simplest) problems. It's the Titanic deliberately chasing the iceberg, while on fire, and nobody is allowed to mention holes in the hull for reasons of politeness.
  104. Something tells me that Ms. Van Burren would be ok with imprisoning people for “hate speech.”

  105. @Anon

    Uh, anybody represent the folks whose cars the kid stole?
     
    In some high schools the idea of "restorative justice" has taken hold. This usually involves a teacher who takes a training course and who then leads kumbaya sessions with the students. So a large, menacing, held-back-for-a-year black student will bash a white student on the head (in the olden days, we called this a "felony"). Rather than being jailed, expelled, or suspenced, at the kumbaya session (a "circle of chairs" is always involved), the perp will be led to reflect on his actions and will end of saying something like, "Mister Clark, I just felt so frustrated because of the stress of living over across the tracks and always thinkin' 'bout that slavery and stuff, and Tommy here looked at me that day and I could see him disrespectin' my nappy hair, and I snapped." Tommy doesn't want to be there and is scared to death of the perp, but he is coerced into forgiving him. Everything is hunky dory and they go back into class together, Tommy in a constant state of terror. The perp ends up killing Tommy six months later (well, maybe, or he clobbers him again).

    Here's an article on a report by the RAND corporation on middle and high school restorative justice and how it isn't really working as planned:

    https://hechingerreport.org/the-promise-of-restorative-justice-starts-to-falter-under-rigorous-research/

    Restorative justice also requires a high degree of student buy-in. Students cannot be forced to talk about their grievances face-to-face with their classroom enemies. It’s a voluntary process and not every kid wants to talk.
     
    Voluntary, Yeah, right. I wonder if parents of the victim are involved.

    For garden variety bullying without physical violence maybe there is a place for it.

    For garden variety bullying without physical violence maybe there is a place for it.

    Ironically,the whole project is really a form of garden variety bullying.

  106. Joining Mr. Martinez in chairs arranged in a circle was his father, Robert, who was incarcerated for bank robbery at roughly the same age as his son.

    Aaahhh, yes a circle jerk.

  107. @Cato
    I've heard from others that murderers are typically the least dysfunctional of prison inmates. Most murders are motivated by jealousy or revenge, feelings experienced by all of us, so most murderers are just like us, only unlucky enough to have made a very bad mistake.

    Aside from the pure psycho murderers and gang killers, for most people doing time on a murder conviction, the killing was a one-off, atypical event.

    Beyond that, if you’re doing 25-to-life you simply have to accept that you might never get out, and that acceptance mellows those guys. The guys doing a few years for a drug deal or burglary are angry they got caught and angry that they’re incarcerated and just want to get back to their old life, but the murderers doing a minimum of 25 years can’t stay angry that whole time and become a lot more positive about little things.

    One of my best, most thoughtful students was a soft-spoken, religious Puerto Rican in his early forties. I was shocked to find that he was doing time for murder when I looked up his conviction. He had probably killed somebody when he was only 18 or 19.

    By the time he was my student, he had gotten married and had three kids — while in prison doing 25-life…

  108. @WatziW
    Actually, there is a way to have no long-term imprisonment, maintenance of deterrence , reducing the crime equivalent to the amount which is achieved by putting criminals away for some time, and - in average - not punishing the criminals too severely: The partial death penalty. It is not my idea, I read in one of David Friedman's books (AFAIR it was"Law's Order").
    So instead of prison time, a criminal is sentenced to be executed by a method that only works with a certain probability. This probability is determined as the ratio between his future life expectancy and the prison time he would have received under the old regime. So suppose a criminal is 45, has a life expectancy of 75 years and (in the old regime) would be sentenced to 20 years in prison. Then the probability would be 20/(75-45)=2/3. (If the ratio is greater one, it is rounded down to one). So - in our case - the next day, the court marshall loads a standard six-shooter colt with 4 cartridges, spins the drum, holds the gun against the head of condemned, and shoots once.
    If he survives, the defendant is set free.
    So in this system, you have no long-term prisons. You have deterrence - broadcast executions on TV and offer the possibility on betting: Like in our example, bring 6 prisoners (with the same sentence) together and only use one gun: then you have guaranteed 4 gory deaths! Think of a show of this type, and the revenue of the ads could be used to pay for the victims of the crimes...
    We would - on average - have the same effect as imprisoning on crime prevention (well, under the assumption that serious criminals don't change): So instead of putting all criminals away for a short amount of time, you put away a smaller fraction away for good! So if you calculate the odds in the way described in the formula, you achieve on average the same effect in criminals*years for the society.
    Lastly, it is not unfair to the criminals. If you think as prison as lost time in the life, the criminals - on average lose the same amount of years of life in both systems.
    Clearly, the system would need some tweaking - what happens if the ratio is not a multiple of 1/6, but this can easily be solved (e.g. if the ratio is 5/12, then the judge throws a dice - heads its 1/3 = 2/6 probability, and tails its 1/2=3/6)...
    Anyway, there would be a lot of savings, which could be invested in catching criminals: I heard that criminals are much more deterred by the probability of getting caught than the severity of the punishment!

    Or you either
    — beat or flog (for minor jackassery offenses)
    — chase continual miscreants from your society
    — execute the serious offenders and a*holes who won’t leave and keep causing problems

    as people did to protect themselves for eons before some reformist bozos decided “prisons” or “reformatories” were actually a good idea.

    This is not difficult. People who do not want to follow the norms and values of a society should not be in it.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    I was just a yute when my 70 yo grandfather said, "This country doesn't have the courage to stand a man up against a wall and shoot him!" I was shocked.

    I realized later on that he was, of course, correct.
  109. A world without prisons is in my mind a new and novel way to cease the unfairness, brutality and expense of incarceration. The Joker, Grim as he likes to think he is, subscribes to this means of making the world a better place and of integrating criminals into our social order. Why waste money on housing these unfortunates and trying to rehabilitate them ?

    Hence, all prisons should be opened and the inmates released. The Police and all law enforcement can be dismissed and judges, courts etc disbanded.

    However before all this is done the law abiding citizens should all be armed. In a very short period of time there will be not only no more jails but no more criminals.

    Lets proceed !? The sooner the better.

  110. @Kronos
    Trump is an “emotional vampire.” The liberal tears since 2016 have made him healthy and strong.

    https://youtu.be/pbIR51_J_qY

    https://youtu.be/BD7uyblt94M

    Peolosi, Schumer and Schiff , Maxine Waters and most of their cronies look and act like the Last Stand of the Living Dead, and you’re ragging on Trump? Are you jealous because so many people turn up at his rallies while the Obamas had to pay people $6 in Atlanta a couple years ago, just to come see them? The Dems are party of the dead and stupid. Still, it has more to do with controlling the media and the official narrative, than party affiliation.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    I love Trump! I voted for him in 2016 and I’ll vote for him again in 2020. The amount of memes that man has inspired is truly astounding. The amount of liberal tears he’s spilled alone makes him worthy of the Presidency. Sure beats the bow tie George Will types who are “respected” by liberals but never receive their votes or financial contributions. I’m cheering on a bully and I have no regrets!

    https://theimaginativeconservative.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/George-Will1-300x225.jpg
  111. @AnotherDad
    Separate nations.

    Can't say it enough.

    The architect Deanna Van Buren designs civic spaces that are healing alternatives to correctional facilities.

    By Patricia Leigh Brown
     
    Biracial or not, this world where women with BAs give us their great ideas on what's wrong with the world and how to fix it is a sick, a terminally ill world.

    ~~~

    There's a super-simple alternative to prisons. Age old and time tested:

    Expulsion or execution. If you don't want to abide by the rules of the society--clan, tribe, nation--you are out.

    Once we get "America" separated from "Rainbow"--Chuck and Nancy and Brett and Joe and Mike and Deanna and all their parasite friends--a few islands in the Aleutians should do just fine.

    I’m still trying to get traction for my “one strike and you’re dead” proposal. Jump a subway turnstile, go to the chair. Would purge criminality right out of the gene pool.

    • Agree: Alden, JMcG
    • Troll: utu
    • Replies: @Forbes
    Meanwhile, Manhattan DA Vance and the MTA go in the opposite direction. The DA won't prosecute fare evasion (turnstile jumping), while the MTA is hiring Fare Enforcement Officers (job title: Special Inspector).

    Non-existent prosecutions delivers increased fare evasion--so revenue decline. MTA adds jobs for fare enforcement to improve revenue line.

    So it's another government jobs program.
    , @J.Ross
    This makes unironic non-joking sense for certain kinds of offenses, ie, seemingly minor sex offenses which, ten years on (surprise surprise), graduate to rape.
    , @Joe Stalin
    How about a variation of "Hate" crime? Any attack by a criminal on another race is hereby considered a "Hate" crime. You could plaster this all over the jails; maybe even have Bloomberg spend $500M on advertising.
    , @MBlanc46
    Well maybe not the Chair for a first subway turnstile jump. Cut off the lead foot at the ankle, maybe?
    , @anon
    Drako called to let you know this plan doesn't work, and he's still in Hell.
  112. @AnotherDad
    Separate nations.

    Can't say it enough.

    The architect Deanna Van Buren designs civic spaces that are healing alternatives to correctional facilities.

    By Patricia Leigh Brown
     
    Biracial or not, this world where women with BAs give us their great ideas on what's wrong with the world and how to fix it is a sick, a terminally ill world.

    ~~~

    There's a super-simple alternative to prisons. Age old and time tested:

    Expulsion or execution. If you don't want to abide by the rules of the society--clan, tribe, nation--you are out.

    Once we get "America" separated from "Rainbow"--Chuck and Nancy and Brett and Joe and Mike and Deanna and all their parasite friends--a few islands in the Aleutians should do just fine.

    If you went back to medieval England, jail was a holding pen for those awaiting trial or punishment. The much-maligned King Richard III introduced the concept of bail. Punishment might range from the merely embarrassing such as being put in the stocks to physical punishment (flogging, blinding, castration) to execution.

  113. @Father O'Hara
    My God,Orthodox Jews AND Corona?

    A match made in heaven. Praise Yahweh!

  114. @Anonymous
    This reminds me of something I had read about a prison where they had painted the walls pink I think it was in order to calm the prisoners and they ended up peeling the paint off.

    There was a humorous story about 20 years ago wherein the Iowa State football coach had the visiting locker room painted pink. He assumed the locker room color would have a demoralizing effect on the visiting team.

    IIRC, the university was embarrassed by the gimmick and had the locker room repainted.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    You meant the University of Iowa and the infamous pink locker room that still exists at Kinnick Stadium:

    https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/9/23/16320460/iowa-hawkeyes-pink-locker-rooms

    , @Hibernian
    Anticipating Sheriff Joe Arpaio.
    , @ben tillman
    Iowa, not Iowa State, and the locker room is still pink.
  115. @ben tillman

    She was five years old when her family moved into a segregated neighborhood in rural Virginia.
     
    There;s no such thing as a rural neighborhood, segregated or otherwise.

    She was five years old when her family moved into a segregated neighborhood in rural Virginia.

    Segregated, meaning a black neighborhood? She a mulatta, her family was integrated.

  116. Are we sure that Ms. Van Buren is really an architect, and not a kindergarten teacher?

  117. @Kim
    They aren't even trying to bed them; it's more like please and appease. Modern men are very, very weak and needy. Why?

    Two generations of female preferences and deferral to women have made modern males into wimps.

    If you attend a club these days patronized by the post-college (mid-20s to upper-30s) singles crowd, the women behave as men formerly did–boisterous, drinking shots, rambunctious carrying-on, while the men act as women previously did–standing aside, somewhat demur and deferring to women who call the shots. It’s a Sadie Hawkins dance come true.

    A friend of mine is a club owner, so I’ve seen this trend in behavior over a couple decades. It’s not entirely so, but increasingly every year as the younger generation graduates into the working world, their behavior begins to dominate as the older ones move on to marriage and/or other leisure-time choices.

    The owner and I have shared more than a few head-shaking glances wondering what has become of men today. It’s pathetic.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    https://www.amazon.com/Pussycats-Rest-Keeps-Beating-West/dp/1533232008

    It's almost as if it was planned that way...
  118. @Fred C Dobbs
    Are you insane? Do have any idea just how much of a massive F*** Up you have to be to even find yourself IN prison? There are off ramps after off ramps after off ramps.

    You have to be seriously determined to find yourself there.

    I agree that our system is bad and doesn’t really work. Besides the traitorous and insane law school graduate religion of freeing criminals, our infinitely dumb system also manages to incarcerate truly innocent people. Replacing incarceration with five minutes of violence would solve many problems, including lightening the burden of what innocents find themselves wrongly convicted. They are still wronged but by far less.

  119. @John Derbyshire
    I'm still trying to get traction for my "one strike and you're dead" proposal. Jump a subway turnstile, go to the chair. Would purge criminality right out of the gene pool.

    Meanwhile, Manhattan DA Vance and the MTA go in the opposite direction. The DA won’t prosecute fare evasion (turnstile jumping), while the MTA is hiring Fare Enforcement Officers (job title: Special Inspector).

    Non-existent prosecutions delivers increased fare evasion–so revenue decline. MTA adds jobs for fare enforcement to improve revenue line.

    So it’s another government jobs program.

  120. @Corn
    Exceptions like serial killers aside, I’ve read that the murder/manslaughter guys have some of the lowest recidivism rates.

    If the sole purpose of a justice system was preventing recidivism (it’s not I know) then we’d actually go easy on homicide convicts and start hanging thieves, shoplifters, possibly some sex offenders.

    It is a rule that whenever some expert explains that our system is one of correction or reform, they enter into a Joseph Heller type word swamp and come out embracing punishment. If you ask stupid sub-expert questions about that, you get verbal evidence that our system is one of correction and interverbal evidence that it’s punishment.
    Our legal chaos is the worst part of our societal fragmentation: it’s clear that it fundamentally does not work, the procedure is divorced from a good or any mission, the knowledgeable are bogged down in details or silenced by careerism, something which should be solvable with a debate and some legislating is intractable, and nobody is allowed to talk honestly and publicly about the worst (and simplest) problems. It’s the Titanic deliberately chasing the iceberg, while on fire, and nobody is allowed to mention holes in the hull for reasons of politeness.

  121. @John Derbyshire
    I'm still trying to get traction for my "one strike and you're dead" proposal. Jump a subway turnstile, go to the chair. Would purge criminality right out of the gene pool.

    This makes unironic non-joking sense for certain kinds of offenses, ie, seemingly minor sex offenses which, ten years on (surprise surprise), graduate to rape.

  122. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/10/world/australia/study-diversity-multicultural.html

    Australia is 24% Non-White.

    “those who have non-European and Indigenous backgrounds make up an estimated 24 percent of the Australian population”

     

    Which is a lot more than you'd think.

    Non-European !== Non-white, silly.

    Fortunately, there’s such a thing as a census.

    Australia did one in 2016 (I refused to participate as I always do, but compliance rates were high at ~96%).

    The ABS demographic datacube lists totals by broad self-identified ethnic category –
    • Chinese (5.6%);
    • Indian (2.8%);
    • Indigenous (2.8%);
    • Vietnamese (~1.5%);
    • Filipino (1.4%);
    • Lebanese (1%);
    • black Africans (~1%) (by backing out South Africans and Zimbabweans from Africans);
    • Arabs (0.8%);
    • Pakistani (0.6%).

    That still only gets you to the mid-teens for non-White.

    Sticky-tape other non-whites into a scary dusky composite, and the Dusky Fraction might tot up to 19% (but that’s unlikely given how fast group sizes fall away).

    .

    Some people’s obsession with duskies is misdirection, in my view: it stops a detailed examination of their own in-group.

    I’ve met plenty of white trash during my life, and trash characteristics have become far more widespread in the last 40 years because their reproduction is subsidised (as it is with Hasidim, whi also breed like rabbits because someone else is paying their way).

    What used to be referred to as the ‘submerged tenth‘ is more like the ‘submerged quarter‘, behaviourally.

    It would make more sense for HBDers to focus on getting rid of the bottom 20-25% of the white masses, rather than trying to piss around with embroidery at the margins (e.g., ditching dud darkies).

    While we’re talking strategies… it would also be a decent idea to develop a test to identify the genetic defects that cause politicians, and strangle any babies or children exhibiting the defect.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    So what's an example of Non-European Australian who happens to also be White?
  123. @MollyA
    Peolosi, Schumer and Schiff , Maxine Waters and most of their cronies look and act like the Last Stand of the Living Dead, and you're ragging on Trump? Are you jealous because so many people turn up at his rallies while the Obamas had to pay people $6 in Atlanta a couple years ago, just to come see them? The Dems are party of the dead and stupid. Still, it has more to do with controlling the media and the official narrative, than party affiliation.

    I love Trump! I voted for him in 2016 and I’ll vote for him again in 2020. The amount of memes that man has inspired is truly astounding. The amount of liberal tears he’s spilled alone makes him worthy of the Presidency. Sure beats the bow tie George Will types who are “respected” by liberals but never receive their votes or financial contributions. I’m cheering on a bully and I have no regrets!

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    I remember a few years ago a TV panel discussion with one actual Conservative, maybe Rick Santorum, moderate Mary Matalin, and Princeton educated Communists George Will and Katrina Van den Heuvel.
  124. @Travis
    Biracial americans are more common than Jews

    the 2010 census counted 9 million mixed-race people. Although most mixed mulattos will claim to be Black on the census. the census undercounts the number of mulattos in America because most mulattos , like Obama, self identify as Black instead of being mixed race.

    There is mixed and there is “mixed”. Most, virtually all blacks with one white parent remain blacks; so called biracials are mostly a mix of whites & Injuns or Asians. It all depends on their looks & identity.

    As regards looks, I’ve seen photo of that Tiger mom author (Amy Something?) & her daughters (I think her husband is Jewish). Well, they may insist they’re biracial, or Jewish- but, these young women are Chinese through & through.

    Just look at them.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    What I've always found strange about biracial women w 1 black parent is that 90+% can pass for black....and most arent that attractive....

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/LoloJones2008.jpg/240px-LoloJones2008.jpg

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcT5-mz3xTDwOjECLAykRRYK__wm4SoqAWZe0FVqbKbhjLYCROtk

    These are 2 of the only biracial women i know of who can pass for white girls....
  125. @Cloudbuster
    If it's a world without prisons, hopefully it will also be a world without police. As Glenn Reynolds has said, the main function of police isn't to protect citizens from criminals, it is to protect criminals from the much harsher justice the citizens would mete out if they got their hands on them.

    As Glenn Reynolds has said, the main function of police isn’t to protect citizens from criminals, it is to protect criminals from the much harsher justice the citizens would mete out if they got their hands on them.

    Reynolds is only partly right.

    The primary purpose of police is to protect the political class by controlling the proles.

    They have no legal duty of care to the citizenry or to taxpayers – enshrined in US jurisprudence all the way back to South v Maryland (1856).

    • Replies: @Corn
    “The primary purpose of police is to protect the political class by controlling the proles.”

    Pretty much.

    I’ve always read that the formation of the London Police was part of the aftermath of the Peterloo Massacre. I’ve also heard the NYPD was formed, at least partially, because as NYC became more diverse the Irish Catholics were brawling in the streets with the Protestants.

    Modern police were created for crowd and riot control. Fighting crime came later.
    , @Art Deco
    “The primary purpose of police is to protect the political class by controlling the proles.”

    That's an inane remark. Ordinary wage earners aren't inclined to burgle people's houses or rob them on the street, much less target 'the political class'. In any community, the police enforce small rules, keep an eye out for important infractions, and collate reports of such things as burglaries with an eye to catching some serial offenders. Their principle targets aren't 'proles', but feral young men.

  126. There is zero chance of returning to a world without prisons, because they are an immensely profitable source of slave labour for the State.

    Alternatives to prison are many and varied – among the better ones are thralldom , where the offender has to furnish labour to his victim or their nominee, until the victim has received enough to compensate them. (Contrast this with ‘community service’ – which requires the offender to donate his labour to the State or its nominees, not to the victim).

    Doesn’t have to be full-time, and the costs of administering it would be a fraction of the costs of administering the existing system. Monitoring of compliance by offenders would be easier and more efficient than parolee-monitoring, and less arbitrary and less open to abuse.

    The main problem is that there are a shitload of criminal offences where there is no victim to be compensated: the only ‘crime’ is being a politically-irrelevant individual who fails or refuses to comply with political edicts (politically-relevant individuals can act with near-impunity, even if they have direct victims).

    The State could get out of the incarceration game entirely if they were after actual social results, given that the vast majority of property crime is non-violent, and the vast majority of violent crime is low-level, small-scale and drug-and-poverty related.

    However the State is not interested in actual social results. it is interested in its top peple getting to live off the livestock.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    There is zero chance of returning to a world without prisons, because they are an immensely profitable source of slave labour for the State.

    Labor services are a perfectly respectable punishment for violating the penal code.


    That aside:


    https://www.unicor.gov/publications/reports/FY2019_AnnualMgmtReport.pdf


    Annual revenue of UNICOR / Federal Prison Industries is $531 million generating $61 million in earnings. IOW, characteristic of a private company which employs about 2,500 people. The Federal prison and jail census accounts for about 11% of the total prison and jail census. The nation's corrections departments would have a cash cow of similar dimensions if they nationalized Williams-Sonoma.
  127. @John Derbyshire
    I'm still trying to get traction for my "one strike and you're dead" proposal. Jump a subway turnstile, go to the chair. Would purge criminality right out of the gene pool.

    How about a variation of “Hate” crime? Any attack by a criminal on another race is hereby considered a “Hate” crime. You could plaster this all over the jails; maybe even have Bloomberg spend $500M on advertising.

  128. @Forbes
    There was a humorous story about 20 years ago wherein the Iowa State football coach had the visiting locker room painted pink. He assumed the locker room color would have a demoralizing effect on the visiting team.

    IIRC, the university was embarrassed by the gimmick and had the locker room repainted.

    You meant the University of Iowa and the infamous pink locker room that still exists at Kinnick Stadium:

    https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/9/23/16320460/iowa-hawkeyes-pink-locker-rooms

  129. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Or better yet, separate continents. You can divide up the existing US anyway you like, but it's just one more concession (after 60 years of failed concessions) to the primitives that only fuels more resentment, and the negro, (or mestizo, oriental, subcon, or middle eastern for that matter) will always come knocking with his hand out.

    Repatriation in the long run is no less practical, just seems more icky to think about.

    “Separate nations” serves two rhetorical purposes:

    1) The basic point that people with different cultures–language, religion, norms, values–really belong in separate nations where they won’t chafe against each other and can order their societies as they life.

    but also

    2) To expose the totalitarian nature of the minoritarians / anti-nationalists–and their lies. Essentially to expose the “who is actually oppressing whom”. I’m perfectly willing to let Chuck, Nancy, Brett, … all the “nation of immigrants” people have their own rainbow hued nation. But they do not want to let me have mine.

    Minoritarianism is simply the demand that white gentiles *not* be allowed to govern themselves, *not* be allowed to enjoy the nations that their ancestors built, according to their own culture, norms, values. It is the demand of the parasites that the host *not* be allowed to live its life for itself, but must be captive for the parasite to live off of. Minoritarianism is the ideology of the parasite.

    Shining a big old bright light of clarity on this essential issue will be super-helpful. (Clarity usually is.) My guess is it can move the ball downfield quite a bit. And when this is made clear, a quite a bit fewer whites will be on board the rainbow train. And a whole lot of non-whites–when push comes to shove–would much cut the minoritarian crap and live in a Western nation, according to white American norms, than the rainbow paradise.

    • Agree: MBlanc46
    • Thanks: MikeatMikedotMike
  130. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    "Restorative justice"

    "Social justice"

    In other words, "Justice" with enough nonsense tacked on to make it "Not Justice." Sort of like a glass of orange juice with a few tablespoons of dog poop added.

    In "Republic," Plato tries to answer the question "What is justice?" After 500-plus pages of babbling about imaginary metaphorical caves, and kings who would rather study philosophy than rule as kings, his answer to the original question is confusing and inconclusive.

    But these ninnies want to tag on extra words, and somehow the answer will be clearer.

    Restorative justice means, Hand ovah yo wallet, cracka.

    Social justice means, ALL a y'all crackaz hand ovah ALL a y'all wallets.

    In “Republic,” Plato tries to answer the question “What is justice?” After 500-plus pages of babbling about imaginary metaphorical caves, and kings who would rather study philosophy than rule as kings, his answer to the original question is confusing and inconclusive.

    No. Plato defines “justice,” in the individual & in the state, quite succinctly in Book 4 of the Republic.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Plato can say whatever he likes, and so can you. But his definition of Justice, even in your rather narrow reading of book four, is tautological and really almost rather silly, amongst many other deficiencies.

    But, ya know, at least the old lad gave it a go, right? Better than what most of us can account for.

    All the same... Please stop talking. You make a sort of irritating sound when you talk, which humans find annoying.

  131. @Enochian
    Why don't we free all the prisoners in New York, build a wall around the city, and get John Carpenter to film it? That way the NYT can get a real close up view of what it would be like.

    I’m surprised no one has said the obvious….

    Whiskey/the PUAs/Heartiste etc have already noted….this woman’s classes are probably a physical dating app.

    She gets a steady supply of felonious bad boys to baby sit before she gets them to hop in bed with her….its a perfect place to “find stallions to ride” on the c-ck carousel….

  132. @Bardon Kaldian
    There is mixed and there is "mixed". Most, virtually all blacks with one white parent remain blacks; so called biracials are mostly a mix of whites & Injuns or Asians. It all depends on their looks & identity.

    As regards looks, I've seen photo of that Tiger mom author (Amy Something?) & her daughters (I think her husband is Jewish). Well, they may insist they're biracial, or Jewish- but, these young women are Chinese through & through.

    Just look at them.

    What I’ve always found strange about biracial women w 1 black parent is that 90+% can pass for black….and most arent that attractive….

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcT5-mz3xTDwOjECLAykRRYK__wm4SoqAWZe0FVqbKbhjLYCROtk

    These are 2 of the only biracial women i know of who can pass for white girls….

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    I assume that Stacy Dash has escaped your notice.

    https://informationcradle.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/stacey-Dash-eyes.jpg
  133. an honest conversation on race requires acknowledging that we’ve already had 50 years of reparations without a lot to show for it.

  134. A world without prisons would look like Thomas Hobbes’s “War of All against All”. In a word, it would look like Somalia.

  135. @Kratoklastes

    As Glenn Reynolds has said, the main function of police isn’t to protect citizens from criminals, it is to protect criminals from the much harsher justice the citizens would mete out if they got their hands on them.
     
    Reynolds is only partly right.

    The primary purpose of police is to protect the political class by controlling the proles.

    They have no legal duty of care to the citizenry or to taxpayers - enshrined in US jurisprudence all the way back to South v Maryland (1856).

    “The primary purpose of police is to protect the political class by controlling the proles.”

    Pretty much.

    I’ve always read that the formation of the London Police was part of the aftermath of the Peterloo Massacre. I’ve also heard the NYPD was formed, at least partially, because as NYC became more diverse the Irish Catholics were brawling in the streets with the Protestants.

    Modern police were created for crowd and riot control. Fighting crime came later.

    • Replies: @Hibernian

    I’ve also heard the NYPD was formed, at least partially, because as NYC became more diverse the Irish Catholics were brawling in the streets with the Protestants.
     
    Back in those days, years before Irish Catholic urban political machines became dominant, Irish Catholic policeman were hired to defend society against Irish Catholic criminals.
  136. anon[260] • Disclaimer says:

    Latest from Seattle:

    https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/08/gates-foundation-backed-program-will-soon-be-issuing-home-testing-kits-for-covid-19-in-seattle/

    A project funded by the Gates Foundation will soon begin issuing at-home testing kits for the novel coronavirus, COVID-19, according to a report in the Seattle Times.

    The study, based on a nose-swab should be able to return results in up to two days and will be shared with health officials who can then notify people who test positive. Individuals who have been infected will then be encouraged to answer an online questionnaire to give health officials information about their movements so that those officials can identify and notify other people who may need to be tested or quarantined, according to the Seattle Times report.

    “Although there’s a lot to be worked out, this has enormous potential to turn the tide of the epidemic,” Scott Dowell, who leads the coronavirus response effort from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation told the Seattle Times.

    There’s no clear timeline for the project’s launch as the Foundation looks to finalize the supporting software and draft a final questionnaire for people who request the tests. The Foundation estimates that it could run up to 400 tests per-day, according to Dowell.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Bill Gates has been giving speeches for about 5 years or so about the threats posed by this exact crisis. And he put some of his money where his mouth is.

    I imagine a few Democrats are thinking right now, Instead of Bloomberg, we should have been pushing Gates to run for President.

  137. @anon
    Latest from Seattle:

    https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/08/gates-foundation-backed-program-will-soon-be-issuing-home-testing-kits-for-covid-19-in-seattle/

    A project funded by the Gates Foundation will soon begin issuing at-home testing kits for the novel coronavirus, COVID-19, according to a report in the Seattle Times.

    The study, based on a nose-swab should be able to return results in up to two days and will be shared with health officials who can then notify people who test positive. Individuals who have been infected will then be encouraged to answer an online questionnaire to give health officials information about their movements so that those officials can identify and notify other people who may need to be tested or quarantined, according to the Seattle Times report.

    “Although there’s a lot to be worked out, this has enormous potential to turn the tide of the epidemic,” Scott Dowell, who leads the coronavirus response effort from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation told the Seattle Times.

    There’s no clear timeline for the project’s launch as the Foundation looks to finalize the supporting software and draft a final questionnaire for people who request the tests. The Foundation estimates that it could run up to 400 tests per-day, according to Dowell.

    Bill Gates has been giving speeches for about 5 years or so about the threats posed by this exact crisis. And he put some of his money where his mouth is.

    I imagine a few Democrats are thinking right now, Instead of Bloomberg, we should have been pushing Gates to run for President.

  138. @Forbes
    There was a humorous story about 20 years ago wherein the Iowa State football coach had the visiting locker room painted pink. He assumed the locker room color would have a demoralizing effect on the visiting team.

    IIRC, the university was embarrassed by the gimmick and had the locker room repainted.

    Anticipating Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

  139. @Kronos
    I love Trump! I voted for him in 2016 and I’ll vote for him again in 2020. The amount of memes that man has inspired is truly astounding. The amount of liberal tears he’s spilled alone makes him worthy of the Presidency. Sure beats the bow tie George Will types who are “respected” by liberals but never receive their votes or financial contributions. I’m cheering on a bully and I have no regrets!

    https://theimaginativeconservative.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/George-Will1-300x225.jpg

    I remember a few years ago a TV panel discussion with one actual Conservative, maybe Rick Santorum, moderate Mary Matalin, and Princeton educated Communists George Will and Katrina Van den Heuvel.

  140. @Corn
    “The primary purpose of police is to protect the political class by controlling the proles.”

    Pretty much.

    I’ve always read that the formation of the London Police was part of the aftermath of the Peterloo Massacre. I’ve also heard the NYPD was formed, at least partially, because as NYC became more diverse the Irish Catholics were brawling in the streets with the Protestants.

    Modern police were created for crowd and riot control. Fighting crime came later.

    I’ve also heard the NYPD was formed, at least partially, because as NYC became more diverse the Irish Catholics were brawling in the streets with the Protestants.

    Back in those days, years before Irish Catholic urban political machines became dominant, Irish Catholic policeman were hired to defend society against Irish Catholic criminals.

  141. @Kratoklastes

    As Glenn Reynolds has said, the main function of police isn’t to protect citizens from criminals, it is to protect criminals from the much harsher justice the citizens would mete out if they got their hands on them.
     
    Reynolds is only partly right.

    The primary purpose of police is to protect the political class by controlling the proles.

    They have no legal duty of care to the citizenry or to taxpayers - enshrined in US jurisprudence all the way back to South v Maryland (1856).

    “The primary purpose of police is to protect the political class by controlling the proles.”

    That’s an inane remark. Ordinary wage earners aren’t inclined to burgle people’s houses or rob them on the street, much less target ‘the political class’. In any community, the police enforce small rules, keep an eye out for important infractions, and collate reports of such things as burglaries with an eye to catching some serial offenders. Their principle targets aren’t ‘proles’, but feral young men.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  142. @Alden
    Intelligent selection of furniture. If the table’s solid wood it’s too heavy to be picked up and used to smash someone’s head. Looks to be about 40 inch diameter too wide for one person to pick up. Flimsy plastic chairs can be picked up but too flimsy to do much harm They also look very uncomfortable. So participants will be eager to leave.

    I keep having to remind myself it’s 2020, not 1970. All this was effected starting around 1965. It didn’t work and by 1985 it was tough on crime again. These rings go on cycles and we’re in for a long 30 year high crime cycle.
    A world without prisons will look like the worst sections of Atlanta, DC Detroit Philadelphia. Bahmoh Chicago.

    At some point there were plans to paint jail cells and common rooms pink in an effort to civilize the hyenas.

    The more things change.....

    Light chairs like that also make a handy shield agaisnt shanks, if employed Fairbairn-style:

    https://www.selfdefenseguides.info/british-commandos/forces-w-e-fairbairn-sll.html

  143. @Neoconned
    What I've always found strange about biracial women w 1 black parent is that 90+% can pass for black....and most arent that attractive....

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/LoloJones2008.jpg/240px-LoloJones2008.jpg

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcT5-mz3xTDwOjECLAykRRYK__wm4SoqAWZe0FVqbKbhjLYCROtk

    These are 2 of the only biracial women i know of who can pass for white girls....

    I assume that Stacy Dash has escaped your notice.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    What I wouldn’t do to her you could write on the back of a postage stamp in great big block letters.
    , @Neoconned
    She's latina isn't she?
  144. @Forbes
    Two generations of female preferences and deferral to women have made modern males into wimps.

    If you attend a club these days patronized by the post-college (mid-20s to upper-30s) singles crowd, the women behave as men formerly did--boisterous, drinking shots, rambunctious carrying-on, while the men act as women previously did--standing aside, somewhat demur and deferring to women who call the shots. It's a Sadie Hawkins dance come true.

    A friend of mine is a club owner, so I've seen this trend in behavior over a couple decades. It's not entirely so, but increasingly every year as the younger generation graduates into the working world, their behavior begins to dominate as the older ones move on to marriage and/or other leisure-time choices.

    The owner and I have shared more than a few head-shaking glances wondering what has become of men today. It's pathetic.

    It’s almost as if it was planned that way…

  145. @Fred C Dobbs
    I'm very surprised, and I like to think I'm pretty current on stuff like this.......Maybe things change faster than I thought.

    The number of Abos is actually relatively small...my Wiki source says 3.3%. Apart from a stray Malay or Filipino, I honestly though the rest was mostly from British Isles and a number of Greeks/Italians that arrived after WWII.

    It’s being taken over by China.

  146. @SteveRogers42
    I assume that Stacy Dash has escaped your notice.

    https://informationcradle.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/stacey-Dash-eyes.jpg

    What I wouldn’t do to her you could write on the back of a postage stamp in great big block letters.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    I plan to give her the best 13 seconds of her life!
  147. @Kratoklastes
    Non-European !== Non-white, silly.

    Fortunately, there's such a thing as a census.

    Australia did one in 2016 (I refused to participate as I always do, but compliance rates were high at ~96%).

    The ABS demographic datacube lists totals by broad self-identified ethnic category -
    • Chinese (5.6%);
    • Indian (2.8%);
    • Indigenous (2.8%);
    • Vietnamese (~1.5%);
    • Filipino (1.4%);
    • Lebanese (1%);
    • black Africans (~1%) (by backing out South Africans and Zimbabweans from Africans);
    • Arabs (0.8%);
    • Pakistani (0.6%).

    That still only gets you to the mid-teens for non-White.

    Sticky-tape other non-whites into a scary dusky composite, and the Dusky Fraction might tot up to 19% (but that's unlikely given how fast group sizes fall away).

    .

    Some people's obsession with duskies is misdirection, in my view: it stops a detailed examination of their own in-group.

    I've met plenty of white trash during my life, and trash characteristics have become far more widespread in the last 40 years because their reproduction is subsidised (as it is with Hasidim, whi also breed like rabbits because someone else is paying their way).

    What used to be referred to as the 'submerged tenth' is more like the 'submerged quarter', behaviourally.

    It would make more sense for HBDers to focus on getting rid of the bottom 20-25% of the white masses, rather than trying to piss around with embroidery at the margins (e.g., ditching dud darkies).

    While we're talking strategies... it would also be a decent idea to develop a test to identify the genetic defects that cause politicians, and strangle any babies or children exhibiting the defect.

    So what’s an example of Non-European Australian who happens to also be White?

  148. @SteveRogers42
    I assume that Stacy Dash has escaped your notice.

    https://informationcradle.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/stacey-Dash-eyes.jpg

    She’s latina isn’t she?

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    Evidently she's Blacko-Mexican.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stacey_Dash#Early_life
    , @SteveRogers42
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=YqwpLVrmokY&feature=emb_logo
  149. @John Derbyshire
    I'm still trying to get traction for my "one strike and you're dead" proposal. Jump a subway turnstile, go to the chair. Would purge criminality right out of the gene pool.

    Well maybe not the Chair for a first subway turnstile jump. Cut off the lead foot at the ankle, maybe?

    • Replies: @John Derbyshire
    Pussy!
  150. @John Derbyshire
    I'm still trying to get traction for my "one strike and you're dead" proposal. Jump a subway turnstile, go to the chair. Would purge criminality right out of the gene pool.

    Drako called to let you know this plan doesn’t work, and he’s still in Hell.

  151. @Enochian
    Why don't we free all the prisoners in New York, build a wall around the city, and get John Carpenter to film it? That way the NYT can get a real close up view of what it would be like.

    As the woman at issue is from Oakland, perhaps our demonstration city should be Oakland.

  152. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    "Restorative justice"

    "Social justice"

    In other words, "Justice" with enough nonsense tacked on to make it "Not Justice." Sort of like a glass of orange juice with a few tablespoons of dog poop added.

    In "Republic," Plato tries to answer the question "What is justice?" After 500-plus pages of babbling about imaginary metaphorical caves, and kings who would rather study philosophy than rule as kings, his answer to the original question is confusing and inconclusive.

    But these ninnies want to tag on extra words, and somehow the answer will be clearer.

    Restorative justice means, Hand ovah yo wallet, cracka.

    Social justice means, ALL a y'all crackaz hand ovah ALL a y'all wallets.

    The answer comes when you come out of the (metaphorical) cave and stand in the blinding light of the (metaphorical) Sun. That can’t be written about, it must be experienced.

  153. Great idea.

    Then the criminals will all either be dead, lashed in public and/or have their wages garnished to pay costs.

  154. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/10/world/australia/study-diversity-multicultural.html

    Australia is 24% Non-White.

    “those who have non-European and Indigenous backgrounds make up an estimated 24 percent of the Australian population”

     

    Which is a lot more than you'd think.

    You need to take a different slant on those numbers to get to the truth.

  155. @Forbes
    There was a humorous story about 20 years ago wherein the Iowa State football coach had the visiting locker room painted pink. He assumed the locker room color would have a demoralizing effect on the visiting team.

    IIRC, the university was embarrassed by the gimmick and had the locker room repainted.

    Iowa, not Iowa State, and the locker room is still pink.

  156. @MBlanc46
    Well maybe not the Chair for a first subway turnstile jump. Cut off the lead foot at the ankle, maybe?

    Pussy!

  157. @Kratoklastes
    There is zero chance of returning to a world without prisons, because they are an immensely profitable source of slave labour for the State.

    Alternatives to prison are many and varied - among the better ones are thralldom , where the offender has to furnish labour to his victim or their nominee, until the victim has received enough to compensate them. (Contrast this with 'community service' - which requires the offender to donate his labour to the State or its nominees, not to the victim).

    Doesn't have to be full-time, and the costs of administering it would be a fraction of the costs of administering the existing system. Monitoring of compliance by offenders would be easier and more efficient than parolee-monitoring, and less arbitrary and less open to abuse.

    The main problem is that there are a shitload of criminal offences where there is no victim to be compensated: the only 'crime' is being a politically-irrelevant individual who fails or refuses to comply with political edicts (politically-relevant individuals can act with near-impunity, even if they have direct victims).

    The State could get out of the incarceration game entirely if they were after actual social results, given that the vast majority of property crime is non-violent, and the vast majority of violent crime is low-level, small-scale and drug-and-poverty related.

    However the State is not interested in actual social results. it is interested in its top peple getting to live off the livestock.

    There is zero chance of returning to a world without prisons, because they are an immensely profitable source of slave labour for the State.

    Labor services are a perfectly respectable punishment for violating the penal code.

    That aside:

    https://www.unicor.gov/publications/reports/FY2019_AnnualMgmtReport.pdf

    Annual revenue of UNICOR / Federal Prison Industries is $531 million generating $61 million in earnings. IOW, characteristic of a private company which employs about 2,500 people. The Federal prison and jail census accounts for about 11% of the total prison and jail census. The nation’s corrections departments would have a cash cow of similar dimensions if they nationalized Williams-Sonoma.

  158. Ending Imprisonment’s Slavery With Border Enforcement

    Capitalism is in a political deadlock with liberal democracy’s tyranny of the majority limited only by vague laundry list of selectively enforced “human rights”.

    Breaking this deadlock requires empirically grounding the social sciences by sorting proponents of social theories into governments that test them: Sortocracy.

    This means that the current model of “human rights” must be replaced with a single, well defined, right to vote with your feet. This right to vote with your feet necessarily implies three material rights:

    The material right to land.
    The material right to transportation.
    The material right to border enforcement.

    #1 is obvious since you can’t put your social theory into practice without land. #2 is also obvious as people who cannot practically relocate cannot vote with their feet.

    #3 _should_ be obvious but, due to the moral zeitgeist, it is not. Incarceration rates, particularly in the US, show us that there are two, fundamentally opposed, kinds of borders: Those that keep people out and those that keep people in. Of the two, the kind that keeps people in is least compatible with the right to vote with your feet. Even the US’s 13th Amendment to the Constitution has provision for involuntary servitude: Slavery for those imprisoned. We see a prison-industrial complex arising at the interface of government and capitalism to exploit this loophole in the 13th Amendment. The moral zeitgeist’s mandate is “let people in”. What is not admitted is this necessarily entails walls that keep people from leaving who are found to be “criminal” by the admitting society.

    The moral zeitgeist has to reconcile its moral outrage at imprisonment with its moral outrage at border controls. The only realistic answer to this is absolute enforcement of free emigration combined with absolute tolerance of restrictive immigration.

  159. @JMcG
    What I wouldn’t do to her you could write on the back of a postage stamp in great big block letters.

    I plan to give her the best 13 seconds of her life!

  160. @Jimbo
    I myself have imagined a world without prisons. (An invention of the perfidious Quakers, so you know they are evil). Of course, mine involves public flogging for minor offenses and swift executions for the rest, but maybe we can throw in a few restorative justice spaces. I'm nothing if not accommodating.

    Add a middle ground for deportation to a Devil’s Island type place where breaking rocks in the hot sun for a few years is your due, and count me in.

  161. @Arclight
    Our country will be ruined by neurotic women in positions of influence and the men trying to bed them.

    Our country will be was ruined by neurotic women in positions of influence and the men trying to bed them.

  162. @HA
    Richard Pryor's take, after getting a closer look at "all these beautiful black men in the joint", the initial sight of which had made his heart ache:

    https://youtu.be/R7DhFhzkjcA?t=58

    Richard Pryor would get the Cosby treatment today for telling the truth.

  163. @AnotherDad
    Or you either
    -- beat or flog (for minor jackassery offenses)
    -- chase continual miscreants from your society
    -- execute the serious offenders and a*holes who won't leave and keep causing problems

    as people did to protect themselves for eons before some reformist bozos decided "prisons" or "reformatories" were actually a good idea.

    This is not difficult. People who do not want to follow the norms and values of a society should not be in it.

    I was just a yute when my 70 yo grandfather said, “This country doesn’t have the courage to stand a man up against a wall and shoot him!” I was shocked.

    I realized later on that he was, of course, correct.

  164. @vinteuil

    In “Republic,” Plato tries to answer the question “What is justice?” After 500-plus pages of babbling about imaginary metaphorical caves, and kings who would rather study philosophy than rule as kings, his answer to the original question is confusing and inconclusive.
     
    No. Plato defines "justice," in the individual & in the state, quite succinctly in Book 4 of the Republic.

    Plato can say whatever he likes, and so can you. But his definition of Justice, even in your rather narrow reading of book four, is tautological and really almost rather silly, amongst many other deficiencies.

    But, ya know, at least the old lad gave it a go, right? Better than what most of us can account for.

    All the same… Please stop talking. You make a sort of irritating sound when you talk, which humans find annoying.

  165. OK, so you wait a couple of days and then emit a bunch of bullshit.

    “Please stop talking.”

    Yeah, figures that you would say that. I never would.

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