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From the New York Times Magazine:

Some Online ‘Mobs’ Are Vicious. Others Are Perfectly Rational.

Let me guess …

By Amanda Hess
Aug. 7, 2018

… Whether a group is labeled a “mob” often does have more to do with its aims than its tactics. The angry crowds coded as mobs are those whose actions are later condemned by history — the pogroms that murdered Jews in Russia or the lynch mobs of the Jim Crow South. Those whose ideas are eventually adopted and normalized become, in hindsight, revolutionaries. …

For example, here’s a “perfectly rational” mob:

As the revolutionary Trotsky said in demanding the socialization of agriculture, a policy the revolutionary Stalin later adopted with, shall we say, revolutionary results:

… the historical question was formulated by Lenin in two pronouns – “who whom?”

Hess goes on to explain that there are good revolutionary mobs and bad far right mobs:

The Johansson “mob,” for instance, was dedicated to challenging a fault in the status quo, punctuated by trans actors’ insights into the ways Hollywood was embracing their stories but still boxing them out of participating in telling them; it seemed less interested in punishing Johansson than in gaining opportunities for trans people.

Personally, I think Scarlett Johansson playing a role where she pretends not to be a woman defeats the entire purpose of Scarlett Johansson’s existence. Aristotle would agree with me on this one.

… The Gunn mob was led by a clutch of far-right men who only frame themselves as outsiders and use as their weapon the most thoroughly accepted norm they can find: that pedophilia is indefensible.

See, these “far-right men” “only frame themselves as outsiders.”

How can you tell? Well, they are men and they are far-right, so therefore they must run Hollywood.

Who? Whom?

 
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  1. Personally, I think Scarlett Johansson playing a role where she pretends not to be a woman defeats the entire purpose of Scarlett Johansson’s existence. Aristotle would agree with me on this one.

    Indeed…….

    • Agree: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    Well, it would finally be the first case in history where a 'transwoman' was actually a woman. They should be celebrating!

    , @songbird
    @syonredux

    I always thought she would make a good robot, but funnily enough there was a lot of hostility towards her when she played one.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    , @Lot
    @syonredux

    Coke and Pepsi = Globocapitalism, Open Borders, Chemicals, Fat Third Worlders, Diabetes

    SodaStream = Scarlett Johansson, Jew-Nordic Hybrid Vigor, Healthy Sparkling Water With A Splash of Juice or Natural Flavor, Healthy Teeth and Skin

    https://www.fashionpaper.ch/images/sodastream_scarlett_johanssen-markenbotschafterin.jpg

    Replies: @Anonymous, @MEH 0910

  2. Defending pedophilia to own the cons

  3. My browser has this annoying Pocket feature that is always suggesting articles I should read Too often, I take the bait. Just now, I see NYTIMES.COM is offering: “Some Online ‘Mobs’ Are Vicious. Others Are Perfectly Rational.

    I can pretty much see where this is going, so I decline and click over to my real destination: iSteve.

    Top item:

    From the New York Times Magazine: “Some Online ‘Mobs’ Are Vicious. Others Are Perfectly Rational.

    Magnificent.

    • LOL: jim jones
  4. A bit OT, Steve, but why do you think our elites keep reminding us about Emmett Till, but they haven’t done much with Tulsa’s race riot in 1921?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot

    • Replies: @donut
    @advancedatheist

    The Tulsa riots in 1921 were the reason there were none in the 60's . To bring that up might be problematic .

    Replies: @advancedatheist

  5. Who needs mobs when individuals are so tough? Especially the few white Democrats left in the South:

    https://nypost.com/2018/08/09/ex-congressional-candidate-accused-of-murdering-campaign-treasurer/

  6. She’s actually gonna frame the Gunn crowd as despicable over complaining about pedophilia. How dare they??? If Gunn wants to glorify buggering 8 yr old kids, then bless him, it should be his right as a liberal…

  7. Personally, I think Scarlett Johansson playing a role where she pretends not to be a woman defeats the entire purpose of Scarlett Johansson’s existence. Aristotle would agree with me on this one.

    Not so sure about that. ScarJo is an actress (or actor as they call themselves nowadays) whose purpose is to pretend to be other people so how would this defeat the entire purpose of her existence?

    Anyway, Tex Gill wasn’t “trans” – she was a bull dyke. There was a small but striking number of these characters involved in the demi monde of yore. (For another example see the film Requiem for a Heavyweight.)

    it seemed less interested in punishing Johansson than in gaining opportunities for trans people.

    Which just shows how incredibly stupid these people are. Having an A-list actress involved in this marginal project made it doable. Hollywood was testing the waters with this project. If this was a success they would have gone full steam ahead hiring trans actors.

    Now they won’t. Oh, maybe there will be a small indie here or there with trans actors, but the chances of a major breakthrough with a trans actor are nil. It already happened with Jaye Davidson and that went nowhere:

    https://ans-wer.com/biography/jaye-davidson-biography.html

    • Replies: @Big Bill
    @Obsessive Contrarian

    If you really want the fur to fly, tell a bull dyke that some of your best friends are trans-women.

    Replies: @Obsessive Contrarian

  8. @syonredux

    Personally, I think Scarlett Johansson playing a role where she pretends not to be a woman defeats the entire purpose of Scarlett Johansson’s existence. Aristotle would agree with me on this one.
     
    Indeed.......


    http://c.foto.radikal.ru/0607/a498c75aab2c.jpg

    Replies: @Anonymous, @songbird, @Lot

    Well, it would finally be the first case in history where a ‘transwoman’ was actually a woman. They should be celebrating!

  9. They must be worried–NYT is really pounding The Narrative…by specifying the good guys and the bad guys, and explaining the distinction..

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @Forbes

    Psychologically, its September 1939 for them now. No need for subtlety or subterfuge anymore, they’re rolling the panzers with the intent of crushing the enemy under their tracks. I’m hoping this ends at a certain city on the Volga for them.

  10. The author of the piece Sailer is giving a perfectly good link to – one that helps the piece rise in search results – is @amandahess. 30 people have mentioned her in the past day (a very low number; some get more than 30 mentions per minute).

    The great majority of the USA opposes what she says. Yet, they have no real representation. Those with megaphones can’t show her wrong to her audience but instead just help her. The only thing that would hurt her is offending the wrong group that actually knows how to get things done. That obviously isn’t her loudest current opponents.

  11. This is the same crap they pulled with defending Sarah Jeong:

    1. The people who brought to light her numerous bigoted tweets were “far right” wingers.

    2. Since we all know far right wingers are Bad People, the content and form of her actual words are of secondary or no consequence.

    I suppose the justification for this sort of thing is to not give aid and comfort to “the enemy.” Trouble is, the enemy as they see it can be distilled down to two words: White people.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Patrick in SC


    Trouble is, the enemy as they see it can be distilled down to two words: White people.
     
    Not to put too fine a point on it: White Christians.
  12. It’s the post-modern riddle, again and again. What agreement can you make with someone who doesn’t believe in truth?

    What won’t someone do who believes everything is a social construct?

    • Agree: Desiderius
  13. Imagine the online mob if two white football players were acquitted of rape ( 0f the same woman), and one was given an NFL contract immediately.

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24368168/former-tennessee-volunteers-lb-aj-johnson-signs-denver-broncos-following-rape-acquittal

    These are more of the jocks who are so much cooler than nerds these days.

    • Replies: @Buck Turgidson
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    OK so there is the rape charge and now acquittal, but consider --

    While at Tennessee "he had 30½ tackles for loss, three sacks, an interception, 11 pass breakups, three forced fumbles and four fumble recoveries. He posted double digits in tackles 23 times"

    which has gotta count for something

  14. Seems the guys who actually run and profit from the NYTimes are bringing in a whole stable of young chickie-poo “thinkers” to write weekly for them. A New York Times gig is prestigious* and these chickies are planning to leverage this into getting other paying work/

    *yes even if it’s once a week and on the internet. Is Amanda actually in the print edition too? Doubtful.

  15. The NYT has successfully defeated satire.
    OT — running out of whites, the mass media decides to attack every less-than-worshipful East Asian shopkeeper who has to deal with black customers. Will this wake up leftist East Asians and bring more Ice People together? Bonus: Shaun “Talcum X” King has weighed in!
    https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/male-salon-owner-punches-black-mother-face-child-shoplifts-keychain-221119278.html
    https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1029054132295020544/video/1

  16. Scarlett Johansson made two movies in 2013 in which she pretended not to be a woman: Her and Under the Skin.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Anonymous

    In the current year she voiced a pretty bitch.

    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/[email protected]_V1_SY1000_CR0,0,705,1000_AL_.jpg

  17. I guess transgendered people are the insiders…

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @JohnnyD


    I guess transgendered people are the insiders…
     
    But only on the outside.
  18. @syonredux

    Personally, I think Scarlett Johansson playing a role where she pretends not to be a woman defeats the entire purpose of Scarlett Johansson’s existence. Aristotle would agree with me on this one.
     
    Indeed.......


    http://c.foto.radikal.ru/0607/a498c75aab2c.jpg

    Replies: @Anonymous, @songbird, @Lot

    I always thought she would make a good robot, but funnily enough there was a lot of hostility towards her when she played one.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @songbird

    Technically she was playing a cyborg (she had a human brain), but the hostility was because she was a white woman playing an Asian character.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_Shell_(2017_film)#Casting_criticism

  19. @syonredux

    Personally, I think Scarlett Johansson playing a role where she pretends not to be a woman defeats the entire purpose of Scarlett Johansson’s existence. Aristotle would agree with me on this one.
     
    Indeed.......


    http://c.foto.radikal.ru/0607/a498c75aab2c.jpg

    Replies: @Anonymous, @songbird, @Lot

    Coke and Pepsi = Globocapitalism, Open Borders, Chemicals, Fat Third Worlders, Diabetes

    SodaStream = Scarlett Johansson, Jew-Nordic Hybrid Vigor, Healthy Sparkling Water With A Splash of Juice or Natural Flavor, Healthy Teeth and Skin

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Lot

    There's just something slightly creepy about her. Not sure how she became the most successful actress in history.

    Replies: @Obsessive Contrarian, @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    , @MEH 0910
    @Lot

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    PepsiCo announced on Monday that it planned to buy SodaStream, the popular maker of home-carbonation machines, for $3.2 billion, as the beverage giant extends its bet on products that are not sugary sodas.
    ......
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  20. Aristotle would agree with me on this one.

    Now you shhee, Adshho, Arishhtotle’s Shhecond Book of Poeticshh

    WHO GOESHH THERE ?


    [MORE]

  21. OT?
    Lesbian feminist scholar, 66, SUSPENDED by NYU after sending racy texts to and ‘inappropriately touching’ her 34-year-old married gay former doctoral student
    Avital Ronell, 66, a world renowned professor at NYU has been accused by her former student of physically and verbally sexually harassing him. Nimrod Reitman says for three years she would force herself in his bed, constantly send emails and call and touch him repeatedly. NYU suspended Ronell for this upcoming school year prompting about 50 of Ronell’s colleagues, who consist of feminists and top scholars from around the world, to write a letter to the university defending her. Their defense is riddled with emphasis on Ronell’s achievements, attempting to discredit Reitman and paint her as ‘the real victim’ in this case. Critics say their argument echoes those who defend the man accused of sexual misconduct in the #MeToo movement.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6057541/World-renounced-female-NYU-professor-facing-MeToo-moment.html

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Clyde

    Nimrod Reitman

    Nimrod?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Clyde, @Benjaminl, @ic1000, @Paul Jolliffe, @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Anonymous
    @Clyde


    Avital Ronell, Nimrod Reitman
     
    Sound like New York all right.



    Nimrod Reitman says for three years she would force herself in his bed
     
    What was she doing at his bed in the first place? Am I missing something?
  22. @Clyde
    OT?
    Lesbian feminist scholar, 66, SUSPENDED by NYU after sending racy texts to and 'inappropriately touching' her 34-year-old married gay former doctoral student
    Avital Ronell, 66, a world renowned professor at NYU has been accused by her former student of physically and verbally sexually harassing him. Nimrod Reitman says for three years she would force herself in his bed, constantly send emails and call and touch him repeatedly. NYU suspended Ronell for this upcoming school year prompting about 50 of Ronell's colleagues, who consist of feminists and top scholars from around the world, to write a letter to the university defending her. Their defense is riddled with emphasis on Ronell's achievements, attempting to discredit Reitman and paint her as 'the real victim' in this case. Critics say their argument echoes those who defend the man accused of sexual misconduct in the #MeToo movement.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6057541/World-renounced-female-NYU-professor-facing-MeToo-moment.html

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous

    Nimrod Reitman

    Nimrod?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    Hey, it's not Le-a, I'm happy.
    There's some funky biblical name choices from some cultures. Mormons will clear out "Numbers" to label their huge broods (sometimes having all the kids from the same mom share the same first letter). Armenians have Lilit (Lilit!) as a normal girl's given name. Fundamentalist Christians in past generations would embrace a name that was in the Bible regardless of its provenance. Jews generally avoid this by keeping alive the names of relatives, which locks them to a degree of currency. I wonder if Nimrod Reitman's parents were atheist Soviet Jews with a tenuous connection to Torah but a desire for authenticity?
    Or maybe she's just a really good hunter. She's already bagged a professor.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Clyde
    @Steve Sailer

    Nimrod, cause he is Israeli.

    , @Benjaminl
    @Steve Sailer

    The NYT account of this case has a vintage triple-distilled example of Who-Whom:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/13/nyregion/sexual-harassment-nyu-female-professor.html


    Diane Davis, chair of the department of rhetoric at the University of Texas-Austin, who also signed the letter to the university supporting Professor Ronell, said she and her colleagues were particularly disturbed that, as they saw it, Mr. Reitman was using Title IX, a feminist tool, to take down a feminist.

    “I am of course very supportive of what Title IX and the #MeToo movement are trying to do, of their efforts to confront and to prevent abuses, for which they also seek some sort of justice,” Professor Davis wrote in an email. “But it’s for that very reason that it’s so disappointing when this incredible energy for justice is twisted and turned against itself, which is what many of us believe is happening in this case.”

    Title IX was intended to address a long history of sexual harassment and assault of women at school, according to Dana Bolger, a co-founder of Know Your IX, a national advocacy group that teaches students about their Title IX rights.

    “I would say that the vast majority of Title IX cases are protecting male victims from male perpetrators, or female victims from male perpetrators,” Ms. Bolger said.
     
    , @ic1000
    @Steve Sailer

    The Abstract of Nimrod Reitman's 2015 NYU doctoral dissertation

    On the Serious Motherhood of Men: Dissonance in Music, Rhetoric, and Poetry (441 pages)
    Avital Ronell, degree supervisor

    Summary: My dissertation... describes the often covert maternal tropologies and disruptions effected by femininity in theories of subjectivity and concepts of universality. A significant section of the dissertation examines this problem set in relation to a musical modality seen as early as in Claudio Monteverdi's musical grid of utterance known as the Seconda Prattica and his concept of dissonance. The historical and philosophical frameworks of the dissertation aim at marking disjunctions in figuration as seen both in the history of thought and in German and Italian modernist poetry. The dissertation analyses literary cases of male signatories who express a desire to become maternal placeholders, following a theoretical trajectory initiated by Friedrich Nietzsche, Lou Andreas-Salome, Sigmund Freud, Pier Paolo Pasolini, and Jacques Derrida, and the way the maternal creates a border that upends discourse by becoming-music.

    [snip]

    Particular attention is given to both Ingeborg Bachmann and Emmanuel Levinas who understood the problem of addressing mother and demonstrate a different modality, wholly musical, in order to address what seems to be unaddressable. For Levinas it is a matter of substituting what can never be substituted, which makes the mother topographically expulsed into a dedicatory moment: holding the text and at once apostrophizing it. Levinas even needs to switch languages and turn toward Hebrew in order to address Mother. For Bachmann it is a matter of reshuffling the grid of Geschlecht, something that happens around one's dreissgste Jahre and entails the phantasm of infant death in an attempt to create a new language and rhetoric. For all of these writers the mother as well as the musical score metonymize each other, inching toward Jacques Derrida's understanding of the Matriarchive in Archive Fever; namely, something that is not certain and never a given and is, in most cases, upends discourse.

    Link (to NYU's library, not The Onion)

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Yngvar

    , @Paul Jolliffe
    @Steve Sailer

    (Overheard in the president's office at NYU}:

    "Jules, you give that fuckin' Nimrod $1,500, I'll shoot him on general principle . . .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvy4YH9--Vw

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Steve Sailer

    Ha! Just like Almost Missouri's experience, in a way. I was just about to start typing: "Nimrod, are you freakin' kidding me!?", and then scrolled down.

    Anyone with a name like that deserves whatever kind of lesbian harassment he receives. I mean, there are courthouses with clerks to do things like change names and all. Has he never had an extra 75 bucks on him in his whole life to do this?

    I wonder what his childhood was like?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tups6dzCfqs

  23. Let’s face it- the real reason James Gunn became toast is his name is too easily confused with the serial killer from SILENCE OF THE LAMBS.

  24. @Forbes
    They must be worried--NYT is really pounding The Narrative...by specifying the good guys and the bad guys, and explaining the distinction..

    Replies: @Alfa158

    Psychologically, its September 1939 for them now. No need for subtlety or subterfuge anymore, they’re rolling the panzers with the intent of crushing the enemy under their tracks. I’m hoping this ends at a certain city on the Volga for them.

  25. @Steve Sailer
    @Clyde

    Nimrod Reitman

    Nimrod?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Clyde, @Benjaminl, @ic1000, @Paul Jolliffe, @Achmed E. Newman

    Hey, it’s not Le-a, I’m happy.
    There’s some funky biblical name choices from some cultures. Mormons will clear out “Numbers” to label their huge broods (sometimes having all the kids from the same mom share the same first letter). Armenians have Lilit (Lilit!) as a normal girl’s given name. Fundamentalist Christians in past generations would embrace a name that was in the Bible regardless of its provenance. Jews generally avoid this by keeping alive the names of relatives, which locks them to a degree of currency. I wonder if Nimrod Reitman’s parents were atheist Soviet Jews with a tenuous connection to Torah but a desire for authenticity?
    Or maybe she’s just a really good hunter. She’s already bagged a professor.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @J.Ross

    The Biblical names can be fine, if you use a little common sense as a parent. We used to know a girl named Dorcas. Yes, that's from the Bible, but come on! This was in the 80's and the word Dork was in pretty common usage. Think, McFly parents, think!

    If you're gonna name a kid after a man of the cloth, how about Amos Moses?:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7GyLr7Cz2g

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @MBlanc46

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @J.Ross


    Mormons will clear out "Numbers" to label their huge broods (sometimes having all the kids from the same mom share the same first letter).
     
    Germans could beat that. Every child of the same sex would have the same first name. They'd then be distinguished by their middle names, or Rufnamen, "call Names".

    I wonder if Nimrod Reitman’s parents were atheist Soviet Jews with a tenuous connection to Torah but a desire for authenticity?

     

    Maybe they just liked their 1964 1/2 pop-up trailer. A college roommate told me his camping-enthusiast neighbors named their son Coleman. (He was from Buffalo, so maybe our Joe knows them...)

    http://www.popupcamperhistory.com/images/nimrod/1964septoctnimrod.jpg
  26. @advancedatheist
    A bit OT, Steve, but why do you think our elites keep reminding us about Emmett Till, but they haven't done much with Tulsa's race riot in 1921?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot

    Replies: @donut

    The Tulsa riots in 1921 were the reason there were none in the 60’s . To bring that up might be problematic .

    • Replies: @advancedatheist
    @donut

    I guess you mean that Tulsa's blacks in the 1960's behaved themselves. I grew up in Tulsa in those years, and I remember when my father, a farm boy and an Army Air Force veteran who had experience and training with firearms, bought a surplus British .303 rifle to protect the family after seeing the TV coverage of all the black mayhem going on in other American cities.

    No doubt plenty of other rednecks and white veterans in 1960's Tulsa took similar precautions.

  27. @Patrick in SC
    This is the same crap they pulled with defending Sarah Jeong:

    1. The people who brought to light her numerous bigoted tweets were "far right" wingers.

    2. Since we all know far right wingers are Bad People, the content and form of her actual words are of secondary or no consequence.

    I suppose the justification for this sort of thing is to not give aid and comfort to "the enemy." Trouble is, the enemy as they see it can be distilled down to two words: White people.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Trouble is, the enemy as they see it can be distilled down to two words: White people.

    Not to put too fine a point on it: White Christians.

  28. @Lot
    @syonredux

    Coke and Pepsi = Globocapitalism, Open Borders, Chemicals, Fat Third Worlders, Diabetes

    SodaStream = Scarlett Johansson, Jew-Nordic Hybrid Vigor, Healthy Sparkling Water With A Splash of Juice or Natural Flavor, Healthy Teeth and Skin

    https://www.fashionpaper.ch/images/sodastream_scarlett_johanssen-markenbotschafterin.jpg

    Replies: @Anonymous, @MEH 0910

    There’s just something slightly creepy about her. Not sure how she became the most successful actress in history.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Obsessive Contrarian
    @Anonymous

    She's hardly the most successful actress in history (that would be Katharine Hepburn) but the comment in many ways shows what a creep you are.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double
    @Anonymous

    Indeed. There’s more than a hint of the Uncanny Valley about her appearance, as though she’d been grown in a tube by alien scientists attempting to create an idealized human female at one or more removes.

  29. @Clyde
    OT?
    Lesbian feminist scholar, 66, SUSPENDED by NYU after sending racy texts to and 'inappropriately touching' her 34-year-old married gay former doctoral student
    Avital Ronell, 66, a world renowned professor at NYU has been accused by her former student of physically and verbally sexually harassing him. Nimrod Reitman says for three years she would force herself in his bed, constantly send emails and call and touch him repeatedly. NYU suspended Ronell for this upcoming school year prompting about 50 of Ronell's colleagues, who consist of feminists and top scholars from around the world, to write a letter to the university defending her. Their defense is riddled with emphasis on Ronell's achievements, attempting to discredit Reitman and paint her as 'the real victim' in this case. Critics say their argument echoes those who defend the man accused of sexual misconduct in the #MeToo movement.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6057541/World-renounced-female-NYU-professor-facing-MeToo-moment.html

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous

    Avital Ronell, Nimrod Reitman

    Sound like New York all right.

    Nimrod Reitman says for three years she would force herself in his bed

    What was she doing at his bed in the first place? Am I missing something?

  30. On cable tv today, I came across the 2016 film “Birth of a Nation”; and after waking up, having literally fallen asleep midway, I was curious what the critical reaction to the film was and in particular to the film’s omission of the murder of children by Turner and his slave army. Googling, I happened across this article by a Prof. Sarah Roth of Widener U. who goes about as far one can possibly go the genuinely try to defend the beheading of sleeping babies in their cribs. Here’s a nice quote.

    “Going out of their way to kill this infant, slumbering peacefully in its cradle, might seem unnecessarily cruel of the rebels.”

    And the article itself for anyone interested.

    Why Nat Turner and the Southampton Rebels Killed Children

    https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/164118

    • Replies: @Logan
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    Just listened to a generally good podcast about the Apache Wars. The podcaster, however, partially justified the incredible cruelty of the Apache by noting they were "forced" to use terrorist methods and that they were taking revenge for the attacks on them by white people.

    Somehow he never noted that the calls for the extermination of the Apache by white people might be entirely understandable reactions to discovering your entire family tortured to death.

  31. Casting Scarlett as a tranny is really, really overselling trannies.

    • Replies: @Jaakko Raipala
    @Pericles

    Maybe the sexual revolution has reached a dead end for Hollywood by championing groups who just can't be made sexy. Free love was sold with attractive actors, charismatic rock stars and the like. Then it moved onto homosexuals and sold them by presenting a sanitized image of stable monogamous gay couples. Gay men knew that it was an engineered portrayal but they weren't deeply offended as gay men could play these characters.

    However the revolution has moved onto transsexuals, fat acceptance and other stuff that just cannot be sexed up or sanitized. You can present a sexy image of transsexuals by casting an attractive real woman like ScarJo but the problem is that the transsexual activists see right through it. They instinctively know that they haven't been accepted as equals of normal women if transsexuals need to be played by attractive real women.

    You could try to find the extremely rare transsexual who actually looks and acts like a woman but then any sign that he/she's not treated as a full equal of the real female Hollywood stars would enrage the activists. So for the sake of equality the famous transsexual would need to get roles as a female lead in regular movies and big name male stars would need to romance him/her on screen as if there's nothing strange going on.

    The transsexuals were given a platform to air their grievances (which were supposed to be directed against white male conservatives) and now it's even hard to not make movies about transsexuals since that's just another way to enrage the activists. How will they get out of this bind? My suggestion would be to bring back Harvey Weinstein and to announce that transsexuals can get movie roles if they agree to get molested first. True equality!

    Replies: @Big Bill, @jim jones, @Anon

  32. I would have thought — another reason why I’m not writing op-eds for a big metropolitan newspaper — that logically if it is immoral for a non-trans such as Johansson to play a trans, then it is immoral for a trans to play a non-trans. What am I missing?

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Tono Bungay


    What am I missing?
     
    Punching down vs. punching up.
    , @res
    @Tono Bungay

    You are a year early? As the Current Year norms ratchet endlessly.

  33. “Hess goes on to explain that there are good revolutionary mobs and bad far right mobs:”

    Hmmm. I thought the latter were deemed to be “reactionary” or “counter-revolutionary.”

  34. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Imagine the online mob if two white football players were acquitted of rape ( 0f the same woman), and one was given an NFL contract immediately.

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24368168/former-tennessee-volunteers-lb-aj-johnson-signs-denver-broncos-following-rape-acquittal

    These are more of the jocks who are so much cooler than nerds these days.

    Replies: @Buck Turgidson

    OK so there is the rape charge and now acquittal, but consider —

    While at Tennessee “he had 30½ tackles for loss, three sacks, an interception, 11 pass breakups, three forced fumbles and four fumble recoveries. He posted double digits in tackles 23 times”

    which has gotta count for something

  35. @Pericles
    Casting Scarlett as a tranny is really, really overselling trannies.

    Replies: @Jaakko Raipala

    Maybe the sexual revolution has reached a dead end for Hollywood by championing groups who just can’t be made sexy. Free love was sold with attractive actors, charismatic rock stars and the like. Then it moved onto homosexuals and sold them by presenting a sanitized image of stable monogamous gay couples. Gay men knew that it was an engineered portrayal but they weren’t deeply offended as gay men could play these characters.

    However the revolution has moved onto transsexuals, fat acceptance and other stuff that just cannot be sexed up or sanitized. You can present a sexy image of transsexuals by casting an attractive real woman like ScarJo but the problem is that the transsexual activists see right through it. They instinctively know that they haven’t been accepted as equals of normal women if transsexuals need to be played by attractive real women.

    You could try to find the extremely rare transsexual who actually looks and acts like a woman but then any sign that he/she’s not treated as a full equal of the real female Hollywood stars would enrage the activists. So for the sake of equality the famous transsexual would need to get roles as a female lead in regular movies and big name male stars would need to romance him/her on screen as if there’s nothing strange going on.

    The transsexuals were given a platform to air their grievances (which were supposed to be directed against white male conservatives) and now it’s even hard to not make movies about transsexuals since that’s just another way to enrage the activists. How will they get out of this bind? My suggestion would be to bring back Harvey Weinstein and to announce that transsexuals can get movie roles if they agree to get molested first. True equality!

    • Replies: @Big Bill
    @Jaakko Raipala


    My suggestion would be to bring back Harvey Weinstein and to announce that transsexuals can get movie roles if they agree to get molested first. True equality!
     
    Ugh. There are things that even Harvey Weinstein wouldn't do.
    , @jim jones
    @Jaakko Raipala

    I used to work around Kings Cross in London and there were plenty of trannies working the streets, you could spot them in an instant because they were all 6 feet tall

    Replies: @Corn

    , @Anon
    @Jaakko Raipala

    Ironically, trans won't "really" be accepted until the attractive trans is allowed to play unattractive trans, a la Charlize Theron

  36. Rare video footage of Amanda Hess leading one such mob:

  37. @Steve Sailer
    @Clyde

    Nimrod Reitman

    Nimrod?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Clyde, @Benjaminl, @ic1000, @Paul Jolliffe, @Achmed E. Newman

    Nimrod, cause he is Israeli.

  38. @Obsessive Contrarian

    Personally, I think Scarlett Johansson playing a role where she pretends not to be a woman defeats the entire purpose of Scarlett Johansson’s existence. Aristotle would agree with me on this one.

     

    Not so sure about that. ScarJo is an actress (or actor as they call themselves nowadays) whose purpose is to pretend to be other people so how would this defeat the entire purpose of her existence?

    Anyway, Tex Gill wasn't "trans" - she was a bull dyke. There was a small but striking number of these characters involved in the demi monde of yore. (For another example see the film Requiem for a Heavyweight.)


    it seemed less interested in punishing Johansson than in gaining opportunities for trans people.
     
    Which just shows how incredibly stupid these people are. Having an A-list actress involved in this marginal project made it doable. Hollywood was testing the waters with this project. If this was a success they would have gone full steam ahead hiring trans actors.

    Now they won't. Oh, maybe there will be a small indie here or there with trans actors, but the chances of a major breakthrough with a trans actor are nil. It already happened with Jaye Davidson and that went nowhere:

    https://ans-wer.com/biography/jaye-davidson-biography.html

    Replies: @Big Bill

    If you really want the fur to fly, tell a bull dyke that some of your best friends are trans-women.

    • Replies: @Obsessive Contrarian
    @Big Bill

    I believe you but I have no experience in these matters nor do I intend ever to have any.

  39. @Jaakko Raipala
    @Pericles

    Maybe the sexual revolution has reached a dead end for Hollywood by championing groups who just can't be made sexy. Free love was sold with attractive actors, charismatic rock stars and the like. Then it moved onto homosexuals and sold them by presenting a sanitized image of stable monogamous gay couples. Gay men knew that it was an engineered portrayal but they weren't deeply offended as gay men could play these characters.

    However the revolution has moved onto transsexuals, fat acceptance and other stuff that just cannot be sexed up or sanitized. You can present a sexy image of transsexuals by casting an attractive real woman like ScarJo but the problem is that the transsexual activists see right through it. They instinctively know that they haven't been accepted as equals of normal women if transsexuals need to be played by attractive real women.

    You could try to find the extremely rare transsexual who actually looks and acts like a woman but then any sign that he/she's not treated as a full equal of the real female Hollywood stars would enrage the activists. So for the sake of equality the famous transsexual would need to get roles as a female lead in regular movies and big name male stars would need to romance him/her on screen as if there's nothing strange going on.

    The transsexuals were given a platform to air their grievances (which were supposed to be directed against white male conservatives) and now it's even hard to not make movies about transsexuals since that's just another way to enrage the activists. How will they get out of this bind? My suggestion would be to bring back Harvey Weinstein and to announce that transsexuals can get movie roles if they agree to get molested first. True equality!

    Replies: @Big Bill, @jim jones, @Anon

    My suggestion would be to bring back Harvey Weinstein and to announce that transsexuals can get movie roles if they agree to get molested first. True equality!

    Ugh. There are things that even Harvey Weinstein wouldn’t do.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  40. @songbird
    @syonredux

    I always thought she would make a good robot, but funnily enough there was a lot of hostility towards her when she played one.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    Technically she was playing a cyborg (she had a human brain), but the hostility was because she was a white woman playing an Asian character.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_Shell_(2017_film)#Casting_criticism

  41. @Tono Bungay
    I would have thought -- another reason why I'm not writing op-eds for a big metropolitan newspaper -- that logically if it is immoral for a non-trans such as Johansson to play a trans, then it is immoral for a trans to play a non-trans. What am I missing?

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @res

    What am I missing?

    Punching down vs. punching up.

  42. @Jaakko Raipala
    @Pericles

    Maybe the sexual revolution has reached a dead end for Hollywood by championing groups who just can't be made sexy. Free love was sold with attractive actors, charismatic rock stars and the like. Then it moved onto homosexuals and sold them by presenting a sanitized image of stable monogamous gay couples. Gay men knew that it was an engineered portrayal but they weren't deeply offended as gay men could play these characters.

    However the revolution has moved onto transsexuals, fat acceptance and other stuff that just cannot be sexed up or sanitized. You can present a sexy image of transsexuals by casting an attractive real woman like ScarJo but the problem is that the transsexual activists see right through it. They instinctively know that they haven't been accepted as equals of normal women if transsexuals need to be played by attractive real women.

    You could try to find the extremely rare transsexual who actually looks and acts like a woman but then any sign that he/she's not treated as a full equal of the real female Hollywood stars would enrage the activists. So for the sake of equality the famous transsexual would need to get roles as a female lead in regular movies and big name male stars would need to romance him/her on screen as if there's nothing strange going on.

    The transsexuals were given a platform to air their grievances (which were supposed to be directed against white male conservatives) and now it's even hard to not make movies about transsexuals since that's just another way to enrage the activists. How will they get out of this bind? My suggestion would be to bring back Harvey Weinstein and to announce that transsexuals can get movie roles if they agree to get molested first. True equality!

    Replies: @Big Bill, @jim jones, @Anon

    I used to work around Kings Cross in London and there were plenty of trannies working the streets, you could spot them in an instant because they were all 6 feet tall

    • Replies: @Corn
    @jim jones

    For how few trannies there are (0.5% of the population or whatever) a hell of a lot of them end up prostitutes.

    Replies: @Anon

  43. @jim jones
    @Jaakko Raipala

    I used to work around Kings Cross in London and there were plenty of trannies working the streets, you could spot them in an instant because they were all 6 feet tall

    Replies: @Corn

    For how few trannies there are (0.5% of the population or whatever) a hell of a lot of them end up prostitutes.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Corn

    Um, maybe because the ones you SEE are the ones prancing on the street. I'm sure there aren't any at your house.

    Replies: @Corn

  44. Somewhat off topic, but Ann Coulter cited “who, whom” today in her interview on the Howie Carr Show. Good to know she’s reading Steve, but would be nice if she promoted him.

    Interview starts around 19:00, who/whom mention around 30:00 minute mark in follow-up discussion to NM mosque discussion.

    https://howiecarrshow.com/2018/08/13/antifa-and-ann-coulter-8-13-18-hour-2/

  45. @Steve Sailer
    @Clyde

    Nimrod Reitman

    Nimrod?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Clyde, @Benjaminl, @ic1000, @Paul Jolliffe, @Achmed E. Newman

    The NYT account of this case has a vintage triple-distilled example of Who-Whom:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/13/nyregion/sexual-harassment-nyu-female-professor.html

    Diane Davis, chair of the department of rhetoric at the University of Texas-Austin, who also signed the letter to the university supporting Professor Ronell, said she and her colleagues were particularly disturbed that, as they saw it, Mr. Reitman was using Title IX, a feminist tool, to take down a feminist.

    “I am of course very supportive of what Title IX and the #MeToo movement are trying to do, of their efforts to confront and to prevent abuses, for which they also seek some sort of justice,” Professor Davis wrote in an email. “But it’s for that very reason that it’s so disappointing when this incredible energy for justice is twisted and turned against itself, which is what many of us believe is happening in this case.”

    Title IX was intended to address a long history of sexual harassment and assault of women at school, according to Dana Bolger, a co-founder of Know Your IX, a national advocacy group that teaches students about their Title IX rights.

    “I would say that the vast majority of Title IX cases are protecting male victims from male perpetrators, or female victims from male perpetrators,” Ms. Bolger said.

  46. punctuated by trans actors’ insights

    Transactors? Is that an anti-Semitic term?

  47. @Steve Sailer
    @Clyde

    Nimrod Reitman

    Nimrod?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Clyde, @Benjaminl, @ic1000, @Paul Jolliffe, @Achmed E. Newman

    The Abstract of Nimrod Reitman’s 2015 NYU doctoral dissertation

    On the Serious Motherhood of Men: Dissonance in Music, Rhetoric, and Poetry (441 pages)
    Avital Ronell, degree supervisor

    Summary: My dissertation… describes the often covert maternal tropologies and disruptions effected by femininity in theories of subjectivity and concepts of universality. A significant section of the dissertation examines this problem set in relation to a musical modality seen as early as in Claudio Monteverdi’s musical grid of utterance known as the Seconda Prattica and his concept of dissonance. The historical and philosophical frameworks of the dissertation aim at marking disjunctions in figuration as seen both in the history of thought and in German and Italian modernist poetry. The dissertation analyses literary cases of male signatories who express a desire to become maternal placeholders, following a theoretical trajectory initiated by Friedrich Nietzsche, Lou Andreas-Salome, Sigmund Freud, Pier Paolo Pasolini, and Jacques Derrida, and the way the maternal creates a border that upends discourse by becoming-music.

    [MORE]

    [snip]

    Particular attention is given to both Ingeborg Bachmann and Emmanuel Levinas who understood the problem of addressing mother and demonstrate a different modality, wholly musical, in order to address what seems to be unaddressable. For Levinas it is a matter of substituting what can never be substituted, which makes the mother topographically expulsed into a dedicatory moment: holding the text and at once apostrophizing it. Levinas even needs to switch languages and turn toward Hebrew in order to address Mother. For Bachmann it is a matter of reshuffling the grid of Geschlecht, something that happens around one’s dreissgste Jahre and entails the phantasm of infant death in an attempt to create a new language and rhetoric. For all of these writers the mother as well as the musical score metonymize each other, inching toward Jacques Derrida’s understanding of the Matriarchive in Archive Fever; namely, something that is not certain and never a given and is, in most cases, upends discourse.

    Link (to NYU’s library, not The Onion)

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @ic1000

    And he managed this level of pellucid prose despite being constantly sexually harassed! Just think what he could have done if left in peace!

    Replies: @ic1000

    , @Yngvar
    @ic1000

    Jabberwokey

  48. @Steve Sailer
    @Clyde

    Nimrod Reitman

    Nimrod?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Clyde, @Benjaminl, @ic1000, @Paul Jolliffe, @Achmed E. Newman

    (Overheard in the president’s office at NYU}:

    “Jules, you give that fuckin’ Nimrod $1,500, I’ll shoot him on general principle . . .

  49. @Big Bill
    @Obsessive Contrarian

    If you really want the fur to fly, tell a bull dyke that some of your best friends are trans-women.

    Replies: @Obsessive Contrarian

    I believe you but I have no experience in these matters nor do I intend ever to have any.

  50. @Anonymous
    @Lot

    There's just something slightly creepy about her. Not sure how she became the most successful actress in history.

    Replies: @Obsessive Contrarian, @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    She’s hardly the most successful actress in history (that would be Katharine Hepburn) but the comment in many ways shows what a creep you are.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Obsessive Contrarian

    The ad hominem makes you look really impressive to everyone. Meanwhile you need to check your facts, if you know what facts are.

    https://www.imdb.com/list/ls063722912/

    Don't bother insisting that you have your own secret metric. No one cares.

  51. Personally, Scarlett does little for me. Not sure why.

  52. @Malcolm X-Lax
    On cable tv today, I came across the 2016 film "Birth of a Nation"; and after waking up, having literally fallen asleep midway, I was curious what the critical reaction to the film was and in particular to the film's omission of the murder of children by Turner and his slave army. Googling, I happened across this article by a Prof. Sarah Roth of Widener U. who goes about as far one can possibly go the genuinely try to defend the beheading of sleeping babies in their cribs. Here's a nice quote.

    "Going out of their way to kill this infant, slumbering peacefully in its cradle, might seem unnecessarily cruel of the rebels."
     
    And the article itself for anyone interested.

    Why Nat Turner and the Southampton Rebels Killed Children

    https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/164118
     

    Replies: @Logan

    Just listened to a generally good podcast about the Apache Wars. The podcaster, however, partially justified the incredible cruelty of the Apache by noting they were “forced” to use terrorist methods and that they were taking revenge for the attacks on them by white people.

    Somehow he never noted that the calls for the extermination of the Apache by white people might be entirely understandable reactions to discovering your entire family tortured to death.

  53. @Jaakko Raipala
    @Pericles

    Maybe the sexual revolution has reached a dead end for Hollywood by championing groups who just can't be made sexy. Free love was sold with attractive actors, charismatic rock stars and the like. Then it moved onto homosexuals and sold them by presenting a sanitized image of stable monogamous gay couples. Gay men knew that it was an engineered portrayal but they weren't deeply offended as gay men could play these characters.

    However the revolution has moved onto transsexuals, fat acceptance and other stuff that just cannot be sexed up or sanitized. You can present a sexy image of transsexuals by casting an attractive real woman like ScarJo but the problem is that the transsexual activists see right through it. They instinctively know that they haven't been accepted as equals of normal women if transsexuals need to be played by attractive real women.

    You could try to find the extremely rare transsexual who actually looks and acts like a woman but then any sign that he/she's not treated as a full equal of the real female Hollywood stars would enrage the activists. So for the sake of equality the famous transsexual would need to get roles as a female lead in regular movies and big name male stars would need to romance him/her on screen as if there's nothing strange going on.

    The transsexuals were given a platform to air their grievances (which were supposed to be directed against white male conservatives) and now it's even hard to not make movies about transsexuals since that's just another way to enrage the activists. How will they get out of this bind? My suggestion would be to bring back Harvey Weinstein and to announce that transsexuals can get movie roles if they agree to get molested first. True equality!

    Replies: @Big Bill, @jim jones, @Anon

    Ironically, trans won’t “really” be accepted until the attractive trans is allowed to play unattractive trans, a la Charlize Theron

  54. @Corn
    @jim jones

    For how few trannies there are (0.5% of the population or whatever) a hell of a lot of them end up prostitutes.

    Replies: @Anon

    Um, maybe because the ones you SEE are the ones prancing on the street. I’m sure there aren’t any at your house.

    • Replies: @Corn
    @Anon

    You got a point there.

  55. @Steve Sailer
    @Clyde

    Nimrod Reitman

    Nimrod?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Clyde, @Benjaminl, @ic1000, @Paul Jolliffe, @Achmed E. Newman

    Ha! Just like Almost Missouri’s experience, in a way. I was just about to start typing: “Nimrod, are you freakin’ kidding me!?”, and then scrolled down.

    Anyone with a name like that deserves whatever kind of lesbian harassment he receives. I mean, there are courthouses with clerks to do things like change names and all. Has he never had an extra 75 bucks on him in his whole life to do this?

    I wonder what his childhood was like?

  56. @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    Hey, it's not Le-a, I'm happy.
    There's some funky biblical name choices from some cultures. Mormons will clear out "Numbers" to label their huge broods (sometimes having all the kids from the same mom share the same first letter). Armenians have Lilit (Lilit!) as a normal girl's given name. Fundamentalist Christians in past generations would embrace a name that was in the Bible regardless of its provenance. Jews generally avoid this by keeping alive the names of relatives, which locks them to a degree of currency. I wonder if Nimrod Reitman's parents were atheist Soviet Jews with a tenuous connection to Torah but a desire for authenticity?
    Or maybe she's just a really good hunter. She's already bagged a professor.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Reg Cæsar

    The Biblical names can be fine, if you use a little common sense as a parent. We used to know a girl named Dorcas. Yes, that’s from the Bible, but come on! This was in the 80’s and the word Dork was in pretty common usage. Think, McFly parents, think!

    If you’re gonna name a kid after a man of the cloth, how about Amos Moses?:

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Achmed E. Newman


    We used to know a girl named Dorcas.
     
    Dorcas Hardy was Social Security commissioner under Reagan. That appears to be her maiden name. Ouch. On top of that, she attend the Beard School for Girls.

    She's married to a Spagnolo.


    https://www.ssa.gov/history/pics/hardy.gif


    Dorcas in Greek is some kind of ungulate; the Aramaic for the same animal is "Tabitha".


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/Dorcasgazellemarwell.jpg/220px-Dorcasgazellemarwell.jpg

    , @MBlanc46
    @Achmed E. Newman

    There was a girl named Dorcas where I was an undergrad. Her surname really topped it off, but it would not be discreet to give it here.

  57. I really liked the line about Scarlet Johanssen too, Steve (even though I had no idea who she was till the comments here). Let me get serious now:

    I think the ctrl-left in this country is really letting it all hang out now. They are showing their hand, and they don’t care if Americans do see the stupidity in their arguments. They somehow think that they’ve go everything sewed up and they’re gonna win this thing, just like their Commie forefathers exactly on century ago.*

    I don’t want to give them any hints, but they are really screwing the pooch this time. They seem to have forgotten that Americans are not disarmed (ooops…). They can keep up the verbal stupidity, but they won’t be able to escalate it, like the Bolsheviks and Red Guards did.

    .
    .

    * History is not only rhyming, but it’s doing so on a nice even meter of 1 century per line.

    “Man, man, your time is sand, your ways are leaves upon the sea…”

  58. @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    Hey, it's not Le-a, I'm happy.
    There's some funky biblical name choices from some cultures. Mormons will clear out "Numbers" to label their huge broods (sometimes having all the kids from the same mom share the same first letter). Armenians have Lilit (Lilit!) as a normal girl's given name. Fundamentalist Christians in past generations would embrace a name that was in the Bible regardless of its provenance. Jews generally avoid this by keeping alive the names of relatives, which locks them to a degree of currency. I wonder if Nimrod Reitman's parents were atheist Soviet Jews with a tenuous connection to Torah but a desire for authenticity?
    Or maybe she's just a really good hunter. She's already bagged a professor.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Reg Cæsar

    Mormons will clear out “Numbers” to label their huge broods (sometimes having all the kids from the same mom share the same first letter).

    Germans could beat that. Every child of the same sex would have the same first name. They’d then be distinguished by their middle names, or Rufnamen, “call Names”.

    I wonder if Nimrod Reitman’s parents were atheist Soviet Jews with a tenuous connection to Torah but a desire for authenticity?

    Maybe they just liked their 1964 1/2 pop-up trailer. A college roommate told me his camping-enthusiast neighbors named their son Coleman. (He was from Buffalo, so maybe our Joe knows them…)

  59. @Tono Bungay
    I would have thought -- another reason why I'm not writing op-eds for a big metropolitan newspaper -- that logically if it is immoral for a non-trans such as Johansson to play a trans, then it is immoral for a trans to play a non-trans. What am I missing?

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @res

    You are a year early? As the Current Year norms ratchet endlessly.

  60. nimrod is an israeli name.

    i know it sounds like a joke, but it isn’t. there are numerous israelis named that.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @prime noticer

    Please tell us more, is there a special meaning attached or is it an equivalent of fundies taking any name from the good book? How does a modern non-Haredi Israeli avoid the pernicious media influence of a certain rabbit?

    , @Desiderius
    @prime noticer

    It’s a biblical name.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iPlW4pAFMOM

  61. I’ve always been a little bemused by the phenomenon of Scarlett Johansson. She’s really just not that pretty.

    I noticed her in a couple of her early films before she was a big “it” girl and I clearly remember my thoughts on her: “She has kind of a lumpy, doughy face, a good but not spectacular body. She’s pretty like a girl you’d actually meet, not pretty like a movie star. I can see why she gets the roles as the ‘cute, quirky’ girl.”

    But someone decided she was going to be a star and with good makeup, direction, wardrobe, lighting and cinematography and some judicious plastic surgery, she cleans up well, apparently. There’s a decent chance there’s a girl more beautiful than her bagging groceries at your local supermarket.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Cloudbuster

    Yeah, it's almost like mainstream entertainment is a highly centralized and programmatic industry that makes sweeping decisions to universally promote or exclude someone or something, but not, y'know, one of those secret agreements between multiple people to commit a crime.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Cloudbuster


    There’s a decent chance there’s a girl more beautiful than her bagging groceries at your local supermarket.
     
    Yeah, but she'll charge you a lot more than a movie ticket to see her naked.
    , @Desiderius
    @Cloudbuster

    She got my attention in Girl With the Pearl Earring. Something uncanny about her, the opposite of creepy though.

    Replies: @MBlanc46

  62. @ic1000
    @Steve Sailer

    The Abstract of Nimrod Reitman's 2015 NYU doctoral dissertation

    On the Serious Motherhood of Men: Dissonance in Music, Rhetoric, and Poetry (441 pages)
    Avital Ronell, degree supervisor

    Summary: My dissertation... describes the often covert maternal tropologies and disruptions effected by femininity in theories of subjectivity and concepts of universality. A significant section of the dissertation examines this problem set in relation to a musical modality seen as early as in Claudio Monteverdi's musical grid of utterance known as the Seconda Prattica and his concept of dissonance. The historical and philosophical frameworks of the dissertation aim at marking disjunctions in figuration as seen both in the history of thought and in German and Italian modernist poetry. The dissertation analyses literary cases of male signatories who express a desire to become maternal placeholders, following a theoretical trajectory initiated by Friedrich Nietzsche, Lou Andreas-Salome, Sigmund Freud, Pier Paolo Pasolini, and Jacques Derrida, and the way the maternal creates a border that upends discourse by becoming-music.

    [snip]

    Particular attention is given to both Ingeborg Bachmann and Emmanuel Levinas who understood the problem of addressing mother and demonstrate a different modality, wholly musical, in order to address what seems to be unaddressable. For Levinas it is a matter of substituting what can never be substituted, which makes the mother topographically expulsed into a dedicatory moment: holding the text and at once apostrophizing it. Levinas even needs to switch languages and turn toward Hebrew in order to address Mother. For Bachmann it is a matter of reshuffling the grid of Geschlecht, something that happens around one's dreissgste Jahre and entails the phantasm of infant death in an attempt to create a new language and rhetoric. For all of these writers the mother as well as the musical score metonymize each other, inching toward Jacques Derrida's understanding of the Matriarchive in Archive Fever; namely, something that is not certain and never a given and is, in most cases, upends discourse.

    Link (to NYU's library, not The Onion)

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Yngvar

    And he managed this level of pellucid prose despite being constantly sexually harassed! Just think what he could have done if left in peace!

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @kaganovitch

    > Just think of what Dr. Reitman could have done if left in peace!

    Here you go.

    Communications From Elsewhere. The essay you have just seen is completely meaningless and was randomly generated by the Postmodernism Generator.

  63. @prime noticer
    nimrod is an israeli name.

    i know it sounds like a joke, but it isn't. there are numerous israelis named that.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Desiderius

    Please tell us more, is there a special meaning attached or is it an equivalent of fundies taking any name from the good book? How does a modern non-Haredi Israeli avoid the pernicious media influence of a certain rabbit?

  64. @Cloudbuster
    I've always been a little bemused by the phenomenon of Scarlett Johansson. She's really just not that pretty.

    I noticed her in a couple of her early films before she was a big "it" girl and I clearly remember my thoughts on her: "She has kind of a lumpy, doughy face, a good but not spectacular body. She's pretty like a girl you'd actually meet, not pretty like a movie star. I can see why she gets the roles as the 'cute, quirky' girl."

    But someone decided she was going to be a star and with good makeup, direction, wardrobe, lighting and cinematography and some judicious plastic surgery, she cleans up well, apparently. There's a decent chance there's a girl more beautiful than her bagging groceries at your local supermarket.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Reg Cæsar, @Desiderius

    Yeah, it’s almost like mainstream entertainment is a highly centralized and programmatic industry that makes sweeping decisions to universally promote or exclude someone or something, but not, y’know, one of those secret agreements between multiple people to commit a crime.

  65. @JohnnyD
    I guess transgendered people are the insiders...

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I guess transgendered people are the insiders…

    But only on the outside.

  66. @ic1000
    @Steve Sailer

    The Abstract of Nimrod Reitman's 2015 NYU doctoral dissertation

    On the Serious Motherhood of Men: Dissonance in Music, Rhetoric, and Poetry (441 pages)
    Avital Ronell, degree supervisor

    Summary: My dissertation... describes the often covert maternal tropologies and disruptions effected by femininity in theories of subjectivity and concepts of universality. A significant section of the dissertation examines this problem set in relation to a musical modality seen as early as in Claudio Monteverdi's musical grid of utterance known as the Seconda Prattica and his concept of dissonance. The historical and philosophical frameworks of the dissertation aim at marking disjunctions in figuration as seen both in the history of thought and in German and Italian modernist poetry. The dissertation analyses literary cases of male signatories who express a desire to become maternal placeholders, following a theoretical trajectory initiated by Friedrich Nietzsche, Lou Andreas-Salome, Sigmund Freud, Pier Paolo Pasolini, and Jacques Derrida, and the way the maternal creates a border that upends discourse by becoming-music.

    [snip]

    Particular attention is given to both Ingeborg Bachmann and Emmanuel Levinas who understood the problem of addressing mother and demonstrate a different modality, wholly musical, in order to address what seems to be unaddressable. For Levinas it is a matter of substituting what can never be substituted, which makes the mother topographically expulsed into a dedicatory moment: holding the text and at once apostrophizing it. Levinas even needs to switch languages and turn toward Hebrew in order to address Mother. For Bachmann it is a matter of reshuffling the grid of Geschlecht, something that happens around one's dreissgste Jahre and entails the phantasm of infant death in an attempt to create a new language and rhetoric. For all of these writers the mother as well as the musical score metonymize each other, inching toward Jacques Derrida's understanding of the Matriarchive in Archive Fever; namely, something that is not certain and never a given and is, in most cases, upends discourse.

    Link (to NYU's library, not The Onion)

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Yngvar

    Jabberwokey

  67. @Achmed E. Newman
    @J.Ross

    The Biblical names can be fine, if you use a little common sense as a parent. We used to know a girl named Dorcas. Yes, that's from the Bible, but come on! This was in the 80's and the word Dork was in pretty common usage. Think, McFly parents, think!

    If you're gonna name a kid after a man of the cloth, how about Amos Moses?:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7GyLr7Cz2g

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @MBlanc46

    We used to know a girl named Dorcas.

    Dorcas Hardy was Social Security commissioner under Reagan. That appears to be her maiden name. Ouch. On top of that, she attend the Beard School for Girls.

    She’s married to a Spagnolo.

    Dorcas in Greek is some kind of ungulate; the Aramaic for the same animal is “Tabitha”.

  68. @Cloudbuster
    I've always been a little bemused by the phenomenon of Scarlett Johansson. She's really just not that pretty.

    I noticed her in a couple of her early films before she was a big "it" girl and I clearly remember my thoughts on her: "She has kind of a lumpy, doughy face, a good but not spectacular body. She's pretty like a girl you'd actually meet, not pretty like a movie star. I can see why she gets the roles as the 'cute, quirky' girl."

    But someone decided she was going to be a star and with good makeup, direction, wardrobe, lighting and cinematography and some judicious plastic surgery, she cleans up well, apparently. There's a decent chance there's a girl more beautiful than her bagging groceries at your local supermarket.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Reg Cæsar, @Desiderius

    There’s a decent chance there’s a girl more beautiful than her bagging groceries at your local supermarket.

    Yeah, but she’ll charge you a lot more than a movie ticket to see her naked.

  69. @Anonymous
    Scarlett Johansson made two movies in 2013 in which she pretended not to be a woman: Her and Under the Skin.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    In the current year she voiced a pretty bitch.

  70. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:

    Why couldn’t Al Qaeda or ISIS target the most degenerate $ multi millionaires in Hollywood instead of regular office workers at the World Trade Center?

    I would enjoy being a street protester outside the Academy Awards with a large arrows and target signs instructing the most extremist Muslims where the event honoring the best/worst of Hollywood was taking place.

    I’d also like to do the same for Harvard Law School commencement ceremonies.

  71. @Cloudbuster
    I've always been a little bemused by the phenomenon of Scarlett Johansson. She's really just not that pretty.

    I noticed her in a couple of her early films before she was a big "it" girl and I clearly remember my thoughts on her: "She has kind of a lumpy, doughy face, a good but not spectacular body. She's pretty like a girl you'd actually meet, not pretty like a movie star. I can see why she gets the roles as the 'cute, quirky' girl."

    But someone decided she was going to be a star and with good makeup, direction, wardrobe, lighting and cinematography and some judicious plastic surgery, she cleans up well, apparently. There's a decent chance there's a girl more beautiful than her bagging groceries at your local supermarket.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Reg Cæsar, @Desiderius

    She got my attention in Girl With the Pearl Earring. Something uncanny about her, the opposite of creepy though.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    @Desiderius

    Great film and she was very affecting in the role. Don’t watch many recent films so I don’t really know what she’s done since.

  72. @prime noticer
    nimrod is an israeli name.

    i know it sounds like a joke, but it isn't. there are numerous israelis named that.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Desiderius

    It’s a biblical name.

  73. @Obsessive Contrarian
    @Anonymous

    She's hardly the most successful actress in history (that would be Katharine Hepburn) but the comment in many ways shows what a creep you are.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The ad hominem makes you look really impressive to everyone. Meanwhile you need to check your facts, if you know what facts are.

    https://www.imdb.com/list/ls063722912/

    Don’t bother insisting that you have your own secret metric. No one cares.

  74. Dumb list. But then, you’re a dumb guy.

  75. @donut
    @advancedatheist

    The Tulsa riots in 1921 were the reason there were none in the 60's . To bring that up might be problematic .

    Replies: @advancedatheist

    I guess you mean that Tulsa’s blacks in the 1960’s behaved themselves. I grew up in Tulsa in those years, and I remember when my father, a farm boy and an Army Air Force veteran who had experience and training with firearms, bought a surplus British .303 rifle to protect the family after seeing the TV coverage of all the black mayhem going on in other American cities.

    No doubt plenty of other rednecks and white veterans in 1960’s Tulsa took similar precautions.

  76. @Anonymous
    @Lot

    There's just something slightly creepy about her. Not sure how she became the most successful actress in history.

    Replies: @Obsessive Contrarian, @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    Indeed. There’s more than a hint of the Uncanny Valley about her appearance, as though she’d been grown in a tube by alien scientists attempting to create an idealized human female at one or more removes.

  77. @Anon
    @Corn

    Um, maybe because the ones you SEE are the ones prancing on the street. I'm sure there aren't any at your house.

    Replies: @Corn

    You got a point there.

  78. @kaganovitch
    @ic1000

    And he managed this level of pellucid prose despite being constantly sexually harassed! Just think what he could have done if left in peace!

    Replies: @ic1000

    > Just think of what Dr. Reitman could have done if left in peace!

    Here you go.

    Communications From Elsewhere. The essay you have just seen is completely meaningless and was randomly generated by the Postmodernism Generator.

  79. @Achmed E. Newman
    @J.Ross

    The Biblical names can be fine, if you use a little common sense as a parent. We used to know a girl named Dorcas. Yes, that's from the Bible, but come on! This was in the 80's and the word Dork was in pretty common usage. Think, McFly parents, think!

    If you're gonna name a kid after a man of the cloth, how about Amos Moses?:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7GyLr7Cz2g

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @MBlanc46

    There was a girl named Dorcas where I was an undergrad. Her surname really topped it off, but it would not be discreet to give it here.

  80. @Desiderius
    @Cloudbuster

    She got my attention in Girl With the Pearl Earring. Something uncanny about her, the opposite of creepy though.

    Replies: @MBlanc46

    Great film and she was very affecting in the role. Don’t watch many recent films so I don’t really know what she’s done since.

  81. @Lot
    @syonredux

    Coke and Pepsi = Globocapitalism, Open Borders, Chemicals, Fat Third Worlders, Diabetes

    SodaStream = Scarlett Johansson, Jew-Nordic Hybrid Vigor, Healthy Sparkling Water With A Splash of Juice or Natural Flavor, Healthy Teeth and Skin

    https://www.fashionpaper.ch/images/sodastream_scarlett_johanssen-markenbotschafterin.jpg

    Replies: @Anonymous, @MEH 0910

    PepsiCo to Buy SodaStream for $3.2 Billion, in Push for Healthier Options

    PepsiCo announced on Monday that it planned to buy SodaStream, the popular maker of home-carbonation machines, for $3.2 billion, as the beverage giant extends its bet on products that are not sugary sodas.
    ……
    Founded in Britain in 1903 by a gin distillery employee, what is now SodaStream was largely focused on making sodas at home. (“Get busy with the fizzy” was its longtime ad slogan in Britain.) It traded hands over the years, with Cadbury Schweppes, until it was acquired by an Israeli counterpart, Soda-Club, in 1996.

    It was under that new ownership that SodaStream enjoyed a resurgence in popularity, and went public in 2010. Perhaps most important for PepsiCo, SodaStream has emphasized in recent years its products’ ability to make flavored sparkling water, rather than sodas.

    That provides an important avenue for PepsiCo to tap into a growing market, particularly as brands like La Croix have exploded in popularity. (PepsiCo has already unveiled offerings like Bubly that take aim at the sector.)

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