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From the New York Times, an article about how some European governments are debating whether or not it would be a good idea to mention to the young male migrants flooding into Europe that raping unbelieving kafir slags isn’t permitted. Or will saying that out loud boost the vote totals of the Real Enemy: immigration restrictionists?

Norway Offers Migrants a Lesson in How to Treat Women
By ANDREW HIGGINS DEC. 19, 2015

SANDNES, Norway — When he first arrived in Europe, Abdu Osman Kelifa, a Muslim asylum seeker from the Horn of Africa, was shocked to see women in skimpy clothes drinking alcohol and kissing in public. Back home, he said, only prostitutes do that, and in locally made movies couples “only hug but never kiss.”

Confused, Mr. Kelifa volunteered to take part in a pioneering and, in some quarters, controversial program that seeks to prevent sexual and other violence by helping male immigrants from societies that are largely segregated or in which women show neither flesh nor public affection to adapt to more open European societies.

Fearful of stigmatizing migrants as potential rapists and playing into the hands of anti-immigrant politicians, most European countries have avoided addressing the question of whether men arriving from more conservative societies might get the wrong idea once they move to places where it can seem as if anything goes.

But, with more than a million asylum seekers arriving in Europe this year, an increasing number of politicians and also some migrant activists now favor offering coaching in European sexual norms and social codes.

Mr. Kelifa, 33, attended the education program at an asylum center in this town near the western Norwegian city of Stavanger. Like similar courses now underway in the village of Lunde and elsewhere in Norway, it was voluntary and was organized around weekly group discussions of rape and other violence.

The goal is that participants will “at least know the difference between right and wrong,” said Nina Machibya, the Sandnes center’s manager.

A course manual sets out a simple rule that all asylum seekers need to learn and follow: “To force someone into sex is not permitted in Norway, even when you are married to that person.”

It skirts the issue of religious differences, noting that while Norway has long been largely Christian, it is “not religion that sets the laws” and that, whatever a person’s faith, “the rules and laws nevertheless have to be followed.”

In Denmark, lawmakers are pushing to have such sex education included in mandatory language classes for refugees. The German region of Bavaria, the main entry point to Germany for asylum seekers, is already experimenting with such classes at a shelter for teenage migrants in the town of Passau.

Norway, however, has been leading the way. Its immigration department mandated that such programs be offered nationwide in 2013, and hired a nonprofit foundation, Alternative to Violence, to train refugee center workers in how to organize and conduct classes on sexual and other forms of violence. The government provided funding for two years to pay for interpreters for the classes and is now reviewing the results and whether to extend its support.

“The biggest danger for everyone is silence,” said Per Isdal, a clinical psychologist in Stavanger who works with the foundation, which developed the program Mr. Kelifa attended in Sandes.

Many refugees “come from cultures that are not gender equal and where women are the property of men,” Mr. Isdal said. “We have to help them adapt to their new culture.”

The first such program to teach immigrants about local norms and how to avoid misreading social signals was initiated in Stavanger, the center of Norway’s oil industry and a magnet for migrants, after a series of rapes from 2009 to 2011.

Henry Ove Berg, who was Stavanger’s police chief during the spike in rape cases, said he supported providing migrants sex education because “people from some parts of the world have never seen a girl in a miniskirt, only in a burqa.” When they get to Norway, he added, “something happens in their heads.”

He said, “there was a link but not a very clear link” between the rape cases and the city’s immigrant community. According to the state broadcaster, NRK, which reviewed court documents, only three of 20 men found guilty in those cases were native Norwegians, the rest immigrants.

17/20 = 85% immigrant. Seems pretty clear to me, but what do I know about arithmetic?

The claim that refugees and immigrants in general are prone to commit rape has become a main rallying cry of anti-migrant activists across Europe, with each case of sexual violence by a newcomer presented as evidence of an imported scourge. …

Norway, like most European countries, does not break down crime statistics by ethnicity or religion. A 2011 report by Norway’s state statistical bureau noted that “immigrants are overrepresented in the crime statistics” but suggested that this was not due to cultural differences but because many of the immigrants were young men.

“It should not be surprising if groups with large proportions of young males have higher crime rates than groups with large proportions elderly women,” the report said.

Hanne Kristin Rohde, a former head of the violent crime section of the Oslo Police Department, said she ran into a wall of hostility when, in 2011 while still in the police force, she blamed sexual violence by foreign men on cultural factors and went public with data suggesting that immigrants committed a hugely disproportionate number of rapes.

“This was a big problem but it was difficult to talk about it,” Ms. Rohde said recently, asserting that there was “a clear statistical connection” between sexual violence and male migrants from countries where “women have no value of their own.” The taboo, she added, has since eased somewhat.

“There are lots of men who haven’t learned that women have value,” said Ms. Rohde, who wants mandatory sexual conduct classes for all new male migrants. “This is the biggest problem, and it is a cultural problem.”

But many question whether there is a clear link between migrants and crime. Last month, the German interior minister, Thomas de Maizière, said that asylum seekers were no more prone to crime, including sexual violence, than Germans.

“In general, the available recent trend findings show that refugees commit just as few or as many crimes as groups of the local population,” he said.

Mr. Kelifa, the African asylum seeker, said he still had a hard time accepting that a wife could accuse her husband of sexual assault. But he added that he had learned how to read previously baffling signals from women who wear short skirts, smile or simply walk alone at night without an escort.

“Men have weaknesses and when they see someone smiling it is difficult to control,” Mr. Kelifa said, explaining that in his own country, Eritrea, “if someone wants a lady he can just take her and he will not be punished,” at least not by the police.

… A class held on Wednesday in Lunde, a village southwest of Oslo, focused on differing perceptions of “honor” and how violence that might be seen as honorable in some cultures is shameful and also illegal in Norway….

Hero Norge’s teaching material studiously avoids casting migrants in a bad light and instead presents a fictional character called Arne, a native Norwegian, as a model of predatory behavior. The main immigrant character, a 27-year-old called Hassan, is, by contrast, introduced as a “good man” who is “honest and well liked.”

In one episode, Arne, the Norwegian, tells Hassan he plans to ply a young woman with alcoholic drinks “to soften her up.” People taking the course are asked questions such as: “How should Hassan react?” “What do you think Arne means when he says he wants to ‘soften her up?’ ” “Is it O.K. to ‘soften someone up’ with alcohol?”

In other words, the Norwegian NGO has created a Norwegian Haven Monahansen to teach Horn of Africa men that blond, blue-eyed men are the devil.

Berit Harr, a course monitor at a refugee center in Ha, a coastal village south of Stavanger, said it was important to avoid making migrants feel as if they were under suspicion while getting them to talk about their own views on relations between the sexes.

Subtlety, at all times, subtlety!

Is there much evidence that the NGO dumping on Arne, the Haven Monahansen figure, gets the intended message across to the Muslims? Or is this just some extreme northwestern European guilt culture triple bankshot ploy that only works among people already marinated in guilt cultures?

 
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  1. Now, we know why the Germans failed.

    In order to deal with antisemitism, the Weimar government should have offered instructions on how not to be anti-Jewish by using non-German fictional models.

    “Look, that is Hassan and Chang. They are not very nice to Jews…”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Research on social identity theory suggests that this is how people behave. They tend to adopt beliefs based on the beliefs of groups with which they identify and don't identify.
  2. Great is Diana of the Ephesians

  3. only three of 20 men found guilty in those cases were native Norwegians, the rest immigrants.

    Native Norwegians = Ethnic Norwegians + children born in Norway to immigrants.

    Norwegian Haven Monahansen

    LOL.

  4. White men have created the finest society for women ever seen.

    • Replies: @Erik Sieven
    this is an inherent weakness of civilization, which makes civilization in the long term highly unlikely: the more men get selected for creating and maintaining civilization, the more they give women the freedom to select men for other reasons than creating and maintaining civilization. Thus civilization itself destroys the foundations of civilization. It is unstable.
    , @Stan Adams
    And white women are oh-so-grateful.
  5. Here’s a post on the topic of rape in Oslo.

    http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2007/12/norway-rape-and-muslims-study-much.html

    Non-Western immigrants were overrepresented in the rape statistics. Particularly Iraqis and Somalis. Non-Western immigrants accounted for 18% of the population of Oslo, but 50% of the rapes. Norweigians were 77% of the population, but 36% of the rapists. So non-Westerners are 6x as likely to rape as native Norweigians.

    • Replies: @M.G. Miles
    Re: the Oslo numbers, I put some of the 2011 Oslo immigrant rape data into graph form here, as well as data on immigrant rape in Denmark and Sweden (most recent numbers I could find).

    There are also graphs on global crime numbers by Muslim immigrant groups in several European countries, including the above nations as well as Switzerland, France, and the U.K., in Part II, #2 of this post.
    , @Bliss

    Non-Western immigrants accounted for 18% of the population of Oslo, but 50% of the rapes. Norweigians were 77% of the population, but 36% of the rapists. So non-Westerners are 6x as likely to rape as native Norweigians.
     
    That means western immigrants accounted for 5% of Oslo's population but 14% of the rapes? That is exactly the same rate as for non-western immigrants.
  6. Notice how they found a way to get around this issue by saying that the problem with many migrants is that they come from “more conservative societies.”

    You know, like all those rapists in Idaho or South Korea. It’s all about their conservatism.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Notice how they found a way to get around this issue by saying that the problem with many migrants is that they come from “more conservative societies.”

    You know, like all those rapists in Idaho or South Korea. It’s all about their conservatism."

    If rape is a conservative trait, does that make Detroit the most conservative city in America? Is Oakland the most conservative city in California?

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Conservative in the sense that almost nobody has sex until marriage and therefore everyone is hyper sexually frustrated. In Korea and Idaho, sex is easily available to almost everyone.

    Bringing a lot of sexually frustrated Muslim men into sexually liberal Western countries is crazy. It's like bringing a hungry man into a grocery store, then getting shocked when he starts stealing food.
  7. i guess muslim men are now rapists in the mind of westerners…wow, when a minority group is hated, both left and right jump on the rape bandwagon.

    what is happening to the western mind that they see rapists under every bed (or should i say on every bed)? where did this rape hysteria culture come from? men are promoting this hysteria too-as long as it is against Other Men.

    I am curious to see where all this will go in the decade..but still sad to see that old dignified trusting sudanese man in the ny times picture portrayed as a rapist.

    • Replies: @anon
    Hilarious trolling!

    www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2739799/Why-millions-Pakistani-children-falling-prey-vicious-paedophiles.html.

    men are promoting this hysteria too-as long as it is against Other Men.

    I am curious to see where all this will go in the decade.

    I know, right? I mean, when are those Muslims going to get so fed up with how mean we are to them and just leave?

    , @Patton
    Individuals, such as the old, dignified, trusting Sudanese man, can obviously be judged on their own merits, in some and perhaps many circumstances.

    Their existence, however, is only generalized as a counterargument against observed criminal tendencies in their broader cohort by the weak- or simple-minded.

    Which of these categories are you in?
    , @Penguinchip
    Ha ha! That's funny, Merema. "Dignified Sudanese man." You're such a hoot!
    , @another fred

    but still sad to see that old dignified trusting sudanese man in the ny times picture portrayed as a rapist.
     
    Nice straw man.

    The issue at hand is the denial of the "difficulty" of mixing different cultures. The multi-culties have historically had a "what elephant" attitude towards the chaos being introduced into the West. Here we have an example where the elephant has grown too large to ignore they are floundering about for a new narrative.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    If your problem is that you are in a hole, stop digging. Your problem is that you are in a hole. You really should stop digging.
  8. “Play into the hands of the right.”

    The difference is not between right and left, it is between right and wrong.

  9. At first I would feel anger reading of such Northern European vacuousness; now I am indifferent, they don’t deserve the civilization they inherited. May their young women enjoy their rapes.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @Erik Sieven
    actually they will, that´s the whole point of modern mass immigration
    , @Stan Adams
    Lutefisk has dulled their noses to the stench of bullshit.
  10. >>….only three of 20 men found guilty in those cases were native Norwegians, the rest immigrants.

    I would confidently bet that those other three, while “native” Norwegians born in Norway, are the offspring of Muslim migrants.

  11. “The biggest danger for everyone is silence,” said Per Isdal, a clinical psychologist in Stavanger who works with the foundation,

    Is he sure? I thought the biggest danger, now and forever, was an anti-Muslim backlaah.

  12. The irony here is that it is the very racial homogeneity that people here love so much that is causing the inability to speak of the large scale sexual assaults committed by Muslims.

    Hans Christian Andersen (the Dane who wrote the individualistic ‘The Emperor’s New Clothes’ and ‘The Ugly Duckling’) understood this aspect of Scandinavian life well back in the 19th century, namely that group agreement trumps anything else including reality.

    And since Scandinavian group agreement (as decided decades ago by the various SoDem governments and institutions) includes ‘anti-racism’, that’s that.

    The Swedish Democrats and similar groups will not win, unless and until native Scandinavians lose their homogeneity.

    • Replies: @CJ
    Yes, The Emperor's New Clothes is indeed a very Scandinavian fairy tale. However, today it fits Sweden better than it does Denmark.
    , @Ed
    Good point. You can add Ibsen's plays, particularly "Enemy of the People" as a study of group-think by a Scandinavian.
    , @anon
    The media polices and maintains the PC gulag.

    The anti-racist consensus you speak of was created and is maintained by filtering information to herd people in the desired direction.

    The people paying the highest price are the children and when a large enough percentage have been attacked then a tipping point will occur.

    , @anon
    I like where you're going with this. I suspect you're probably right.

    When Norway WAS actually a racially homogenous society, they got along fine, because part of being racially homogenous meant that you weren't very likely to prey on people who were so similar to you.

    They evolved in that context, meaning that they never developed the cultural antibodies to other, more predatory peoples, and cannot defend themselves adequately.

    If the Norwegians had been smarter a few decades ago, what they should have done was explain this to the UN, or whoever is in charge of these sorts of things. Tell them that their lack of internal cultural protections means that they're like those uncontacted tribes in the Amazon, or Sentinel Islanders or something, and that it would be genocidal for immigrants to be placed among them.

    Sadly, that ship has sailed. So I guess they're just going to have to learn to protect themselves. I hope, though, that after the immigrants are gone, they're able to return to their peaceable old ways.

    I have a feeling that we're all going to miss those boring, trusting, peaceful Scandinavians once they're gone, though.
  13. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Merema
    i guess muslim men are now rapists in the mind of westerners...wow, when a minority group is hated, both left and right jump on the rape bandwagon.

    what is happening to the western mind that they see rapists under every bed (or should i say on every bed)? where did this rape hysteria culture come from? men are promoting this hysteria too-as long as it is against Other Men.

    I am curious to see where all this will go in the decade..but still sad to see that old dignified trusting sudanese man in the ny times picture portrayed as a rapist.

    Hilarious trolling!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2739799/Why-millions-Pakistani-children-falling-prey-vicious-paedophiles.html.

    men are promoting this hysteria too-as long as it is against Other Men.

    I am curious to see where all this will go in the decade.

    I know, right? I mean, when are those Muslims going to get so fed up with how mean we are to them and just leave?

    • Replies: @Merema
    yes, white british christians never pimped or to use the new word "groomed" lower class vulnerable british teenage girls from alcoholic broken families in the history of the UK.

    be that as it may, islamic terrorism has understandable brought out the worst out of many decent people...but come on, the narrative of "they are raping our white women' is just lame and old.

    lets not be politically correct -the "muslim" men are ghetto trash, and the girls were from white trashy families -that is why the british authorities never cared all these years, just like no one cared about black pimps and their white runway teenager prostitutes in the 70s and 80s here in america. everyone looked the other way until -to their credit- feminists changed our perspective and now exploiting underage teenagers girls is a serious crime.

    the british girls were exploited and abused by predatory men -this is an old story that is not based on religion.
  14. What a joke. Sad.

  15. The only people promoting rape culture are Liberals!

    The only people covering up rape culture are Liberals!

  16. “Many refugees ‘come from cultures that are not gender equal and where women are the property of men,’ Mr. Isdal said. ‘We have to help them adapt to their new culture.’”

    Because cultures are nothing but a green culture hat you can take off and replace with a blue culture hat. Just like, you know, genes!

    “Magic Dirt!”

  17. @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's a post on the topic of rape in Oslo.

    http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2007/12/norway-rape-and-muslims-study-much.html

    Non-Western immigrants were overrepresented in the rape statistics. Particularly Iraqis and Somalis. Non-Western immigrants accounted for 18% of the population of Oslo, but 50% of the rapes. Norweigians were 77% of the population, but 36% of the rapists. So non-Westerners are 6x as likely to rape as native Norweigians.

    Re: the Oslo numbers, I put some of the 2011 Oslo immigrant rape data into graph form here, as well as data on immigrant rape in Denmark and Sweden (most recent numbers I could find).

    There are also graphs on global crime numbers by Muslim immigrant groups in several European countries, including the above nations as well as Switzerland, France, and the U.K., in Part II, #2 of this post.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Very good post. Highly reccomended.

    http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.fr/2015/12/why-we-culturally-profile.html
  18. avoids casting migrants in a bad light and instead presents a fictional character called Arne

    Well isn’t this typical of all types of instruction, now? Hence we have the case of Melissa, who just returned from a combat zone, or issues regarding the family limited partnership created by Miguel Sanchez, or the question of Sean Weasel Head and his carryover capital gains.

    All quite amusing but is anyone convinced these are norms?

    • Agree: Percy Gryce
  19. Surely you can see at least non-PC reasons for doing this, right? Even if the migrant was fully committed to renouncing “patriarchy” etc, it doesn’t give him magical powers to interpret social signals in a radically different society.

    If nothing else, the Campus Rape Crisis should have made utterly clear that the issue is not about “teaching men not to rape” since men who’re fully committed to not raping may not be totaled clear on all the different things which count as rape.

    So it’s easy to see this as Norway “teaching Muslims not to rape” but you only have to look at Julian Assamge to agree that, perhaps, it’d be a good idea for any migrant to be told precisely what Scandinavian countries count as rape.

    • Replies: @anon
    It is completely insane to allow millions of young men into your country who come from cultures that believe it's okay to rape women who are out without a male relative.

    At least they're starting to accept there is a problem after denying it for decades.
    , @ben tillman

    If nothing else, the Campus Rape Crisis should have made utterly clear that the issue is not about “teaching men not to rape” since men who’re fully committed to not raping may not be totaled clear on all the different things which count as rape.

    So it’s easy to see this as Norway “teaching Muslims not to rape” but you only have to look at Julian Assamge to agree that, perhaps, it’d be a good idea for any migrant to be told precisely what Scandinavian countries count as rape.
     
    Again, Leftists cover for those who commit aggression.

    There's no mystery. The definition of rape in Norway is the same as every other place where people have the intellectual capacity to achieve some level of objectivity.
    , @Bill B.
    Isn't it strange though that all these young Syria and MENA men who are going to become engineers and scientists and quick study service workers allegedly need to be told - v.e.r.y. s.l.o.w.l.y. - that dragged a local girl into the bushes, tearing her clothes, punching her and raping her is wrong?

    Yeah these pissant classes are going to be a great success; almost as successful as Europe's efforts to deromanticise jihad.

    Has anyone, while we are at it, ever made an estimate of the percentage of mosques in Europe that preach that it is possible to be an honourable woman even in a short skirt?
  20. @anony-mouse
    The irony here is that it is the very racial homogeneity that people here love so much that is causing the inability to speak of the large scale sexual assaults committed by Muslims.

    Hans Christian Andersen (the Dane who wrote the individualistic 'The Emperor's New Clothes' and 'The Ugly Duckling') understood this aspect of Scandinavian life well back in the 19th century, namely that group agreement trumps anything else including reality.

    And since Scandinavian group agreement (as decided decades ago by the various SoDem governments and institutions) includes 'anti-racism', that's that.

    The Swedish Democrats and similar groups will not win, unless and until native Scandinavians lose their homogeneity.

    Yes, The Emperor’s New Clothes is indeed a very Scandinavian fairy tale. However, today it fits Sweden better than it does Denmark.

  21. @Bettega
    Notice how they found a way to get around this issue by saying that the problem with many migrants is that they come from "more conservative societies."

    You know, like all those rapists in Idaho or South Korea. It's all about their conservatism.

    “Notice how they found a way to get around this issue by saying that the problem with many migrants is that they come from “more conservative societies.”

    You know, like all those rapists in Idaho or South Korea. It’s all about their conservatism.”

    If rape is a conservative trait, does that make Detroit the most conservative city in America? Is Oakland the most conservative city in California?

  22. “…where did this rape hysteria culture come from? men are promoting this hysteria too-as long as it is against Other Men.”

    Whatever we do, let’s not bother to think about any numbers. That’s so reeks of the patriarchy! Boring. Let’s just feel! Can we talk about my feelings?

  23. Norway, like most European countries, does not break down crime statistics by ethnicity or religion. A 2011 report by Norway’s state statistical bureau noted that “immigrants are overrepresented in the crime statistics” but suggested that this was not due to cultural differences but because many of the immigrants were young men.

    “It should not be surprising if groups with large proportions of young males have higher crime rates than groups with large proportions elderly women,” the report said.

    Once again the media manages to put into the public record information that contradicts the narrative that the majority of the migrants are women and children.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Where is anyone running a narrative that those are the majority? A lot of papers might exaggarate the proportion of women and children, but I don't think you'll find any halfway credible-looking that straight cites them as a majority.
  24. OT:
    It seems like the recent French regional elections may not have brought in a wave of Front National regional governments but it did bring in a nationalist one in Corsica. The new regional legislature sat on Thursday and elected an indépendantiste named Jean-Guy Talamoni. He called the newly elected assembly “the first national government since the 18th century”.

    “I will naturally be the President [ie, Speaker of the House] of all those elected to the Assembly”, one can read in a [French] translation prepared for continental journalists “but I must say a few words on behalf of this national movement that has never accepted French rule over Corsica. In the name of all those who since 1768 [the Second Corsican Revolution] have never stopped fighting so that Corsica would become a nation, in the name of all of those who have never renounced the idea of independence” .

    http://www.lemonde.fr/elections-regionales-2015/article/2015/12/18/corse-la-demonstration-nationaliste_4834594_4640869.html

    Then they broke into the Corsican national anthem; which is a pretty good one:

    Apparently there’s a pattern of Corsican nationalism reviving when the popular mood feels like France is being misgoverned and Corsica would be better off on their own.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    EU would love to break up Te remaining nation states that's why it's happy to encouragescotland, Catalonia, ect . Smaller states will have. Less power against the EU
    , @Alfa158
    One of my former colleagues was an Englishman whose family moved to Canada when he was a child and he developed a serious case of Francophobia from being around French-Canadians and the establishment that caters to them. On one of his off the beaten path vacations he spent a week in Corsica and was delighted to find himself in a place where most of the people hated the French even more than he did. He told me many of the French language road signs you see off the beaten track are riddled with bullet holes.
  25. Dark skinned men are the most attractive to women

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Actually you'd be surprised how many Middle Eastern and South Asian women have white fever.
  26. If anyone wasn’t familiar. Both happened in Sydney:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_gang_rapes
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashfield_gang_rapes

    Bonus: Australian Muslim leader compares uncovered women to exposed meat (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/oct/26/australia.marktran)

    • Replies: @Big Bill
    I like the "raw meat" quote by the Muslim leader. It was not denounced by any of his fellow Muslims, men or women. They still revert him as their religious leader.

    The Muslim religious leader is just saying what all good Muslims in Australia feel: gang-raping infidel whores is OK, or at least shouldn't be punished as a crime.

    In short, raping infidel whores will be ignored. No good Muslim will snitch on another nice Muslim boy (or man). They may not go out, groom and rape infidel whores themselves, but they will happily be the Muslim "sea" among whom the rapists freely swim (to paraphrase Mao).
  27. Or is this just some extreme northwestern European guilt culture triple bankshot ploy that only works among people already marinated in guilt cultures?

    Works in the sense that it’s gotten people like Nina Machibya hired by people like Thomas de Maizière* who want to appear to be doing something without actually having to do anything.

    And maybe a stray Enrique Marquez or John Scalzi gets caught in the crossfire.

    * – “Maiziere was born in Bonn to the later Inspector general of the Bundeswehr, Ulrich de Maizière. He graduated at the Aloisiuskolleg in Bonn and studied law and history at the Westfälische Wilhelms-Universität in Münster and the University of Freiburg, he passed his first state examination in law in 1979 and his second 1982, earning his Doctor of law (Dr. jur.) in 1986.[4]

    He belongs to a noble family originally from Maizières-lès-Metz”

    Yep, trustifarian. Fake-Left.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The de Maizieres are descended from French Huguenot immigrants to Germany who fled France after Louis XIV revoked the Edict of Nantes. They were never high nobility in France and lost what lands they had when they fled. Many nobles are quite poor, and some noble families have been poor for a long time.
  28. “She looks like the Lochness Monster.” Rotfl.

  29. @anon
    Hilarious trolling!

    www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2739799/Why-millions-Pakistani-children-falling-prey-vicious-paedophiles.html.

    men are promoting this hysteria too-as long as it is against Other Men.

    I am curious to see where all this will go in the decade.

    I know, right? I mean, when are those Muslims going to get so fed up with how mean we are to them and just leave?

    yes, white british christians never pimped or to use the new word “groomed” lower class vulnerable british teenage girls from alcoholic broken families in the history of the UK.

    be that as it may, islamic terrorism has understandable brought out the worst out of many decent people…but come on, the narrative of “they are raping our white women’ is just lame and old.

    lets not be politically correct -the “muslim” men are ghetto trash, and the girls were from white trashy families -that is why the british authorities never cared all these years, just like no one cared about black pimps and their white runway teenager prostitutes in the 70s and 80s here in america. everyone looked the other way until -to their credit- feminists changed our perspective and now exploiting underage teenagers girls is a serious crime.

    the british girls were exploited and abused by predatory men -this is an old story that is not based on religion.

    • Replies: @anon
    be that as it may, islamic terrorism has understandable brought out the worst out of many decent people…but come on, the narrative of “they are raping our white women’ is just lame and old.

    The FACT that they are raping our white women has gotten even older.

    It would be nice if I could live in your fantasy world, where saying "It's getting old." means that something isn't happening, but I can't.
    the british girls were exploited and abused by predatory men -this is an old story that is not based on religion.

    the british girls were exploited and abused by predatory men -this is an old story that is not based on religion.

    It's based on vastly inferior people being allowed to infest our civilization. And yes. That IS getting old.

    yes, white british christians never pimped or to use the new word “groomed” lower class vulnerable british teenage girls from alcoholic broken families in the history of the UK.

    The excuse "Durrr... Christians used to do it to!" is ALSO quite lame and old.

    , @TangoMan
    but come on, the narrative of “they are raping our white women’ is just lame and old.

    Rotherham.

    Reference to some old, ancient, long forgotten incident in the town of Rotherham, historians still haven't been able to determine why this term has come to signal a call to arms against Muslim invaders. Some suspect that it involves fables about Muslim men raping English girls but since all evidence from that period was erased by the Dhimmi overclass, it's difficult for the historians of 2015 to determine exactly what transpired in the so long ago 2013.
    , @anon
    I'm going to guess if it was happening in reverse your opinion would be reversed also.
    , @ben tillman

    yes, white british christians never pimped or to use the new word “groomed” lower class vulnerable british teenage girls from alcoholic broken families in the history of the UK.
     
    That's just stupid -- profoundly stupid. Even if true, it is irrelevant to any discussion of the aggression committed by immigrants.

    ... just like no one cared about black pimps and their white runway teenager prostitutes in the 70s and 80s here in america. everyone looked the other way....
     
    Prove it. I have never heard of anyone looking the other way -- aside from you, who have just now admitted to it. Don't project your moral depravity onto us.
    , @bomag
    So Merema is *pimping* the line that "everyone does it, so it is okay".

    We have rapists of our own: why import more? Absolutely no reason. Our kindness is being abused.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    In absolute numbers, Britain has more white groomers than Muslim groomers.
    In relative terms, Muslims appear about 10x as likely to groom.

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/may/14/child-grooming-sexual-abuse-race

    A 2011 study by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre looked at the 2,379 potential offenders caught grooming girls since 2008. Of 940 suspects whose race could be identified, 26% were Asian, 38% were white and 32% were recorded as unknown. Asians are roughly 7% of the population.

    A report for the children's commissioner in 2012 found there were 1,514 perpetrators. Of these, 545 were white, 415 were Asian and 244 were black. The ethnicity of 21% of perpetrators was not recorded. Attempts to analyse the Asian figure further runs into problems. Just 35 of the 415 Asians are recorded as having Pakistani heritage and thus highly likely to be Muslim, and only five are recorded as being from a Bangladeshi background. The heritage of 366 of the Asian group is not stated in those figures.
     
    , @Hunsdon
    You can say "Tu quoque" if you really want to, Merema.
    , @Big Bill
    My goodness! What awful people those white Christians are! Rapists! We need to save all those misguided Muslims who are flooding Europe and send them back home to live safe, chaste, unraped lives with their fellow Muslims!
  30. If rape is a conservative trait, does that make Detroit the most conservative city in America? Is Oakland the most conservative city in California?

    Well said, Jefferson.

    ***

    “Dark skinned men are the most attractive to women,” said the dark-skinned rapist.

    FIFY.

    • Replies: @AnAnon
    "If rape is a conservative trait, does that make Detroit the most conservative city in America? Is Oakland the most conservative city in California?" - They may well be.
  31. @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's a post on the topic of rape in Oslo.

    http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2007/12/norway-rape-and-muslims-study-much.html

    Non-Western immigrants were overrepresented in the rape statistics. Particularly Iraqis and Somalis. Non-Western immigrants accounted for 18% of the population of Oslo, but 50% of the rapes. Norweigians were 77% of the population, but 36% of the rapists. So non-Westerners are 6x as likely to rape as native Norweigians.

    Non-Western immigrants accounted for 18% of the population of Oslo, but 50% of the rapes. Norweigians were 77% of the population, but 36% of the rapists. So non-Westerners are 6x as likely to rape as native Norweigians.

    That means western immigrants accounted for 5% of Oslo’s population but 14% of the rapes? That is exactly the same rate as for non-western immigrants.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Correct. European immigrants seem to have a relatively high rate of rape too. Perhaps the Eastern
    Euros and Balkans are badly behaved?
    , @Anon
    Bliss has a good point, though the proportions are still somewhat lower for Western immigrants. I wonder which population, Western or non-Western immigrants, have higher percentages of men?
    , @Anon
    Same Anon as above: Yes, Bliss has a good point, but on the other hand, in the non-Western immigrant category how many are non-Muslims from, say, East Asia?
  32. “White men have created the finest society for women ever seen.”

    And white women obviously don’t want it. And they’re not going to have to suffer through the boring, stale white man’s world much longer.

    Steve’s readers know a lot about a lot of issues, but you guys are generally in the dark as to how under-30 white men view the whole thing. Nobody is willing, anymore, to put in the kind of effort and sacrifice that’s required to maintain a woman-friendly safe, clean, orderly society. Not only to put in that kind of effort, but to put in that kind of effort in the face of white women spitting in your face for your trouble.

    It’s time to give white women what they’ve been demanding for so long – break down the “patriarchy” and renounce the bad-old ways. Let them stay inside after dark because they can’t walk down the street without getting dragged into an alley by the orcs they’re demanding be imported into formerly clean, safe (but racist!) white societies.

    Ask us if we give a fuck.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Yes, Whiskey.
    , @27 year old
    i think this is called cutting off your nose to spite your face. do you not have a white woman for a wife, a mother, sisters, etc?
  33. @anony-mouse
    The irony here is that it is the very racial homogeneity that people here love so much that is causing the inability to speak of the large scale sexual assaults committed by Muslims.

    Hans Christian Andersen (the Dane who wrote the individualistic 'The Emperor's New Clothes' and 'The Ugly Duckling') understood this aspect of Scandinavian life well back in the 19th century, namely that group agreement trumps anything else including reality.

    And since Scandinavian group agreement (as decided decades ago by the various SoDem governments and institutions) includes 'anti-racism', that's that.

    The Swedish Democrats and similar groups will not win, unless and until native Scandinavians lose their homogeneity.

    Good point. You can add Ibsen’s plays, particularly “Enemy of the People” as a study of group-think by a Scandinavian.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    And then there's Kierkegaard (ironically, and rightfully) in a class by himself.
  34. People have an odd capacity to indulge those who make them feel better about themselves. Those poor benighted Muslim boys who just don’t know! We’ll send a pensioned social worker out immediately to rectify this misunderstanding of the flesh. They will learn eagerly! Real animosity tends to be reserved for out-performers. European elites seem more preoccupied by Palestinians’ squatting in the shadow of Israeli dynamism than about Arab ‘migrants’ raping some local girls.

  35. Berserkers were prominent in Viking lore. Have modern Scandinavians been so, ahem, watered down, that any and all primordial stirrings have been extinguished? It is discouraging that they won’t defend their patrimony, although that word has probably been forbidden.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    Berserkers were prominent in Viking lore. Have modern Scandinavians been so, ahem, watered down, that any and all primordial stirrings have been extinguished? It is discouraging that they won’t defend their patrimony, although that word has probably been forbidden.
     
    The berserkers are the ones doing the forbidding.
    , @Truth
    "Have modern Scandinavians been so, ahem, watered down, that any and all primordial stirrings have been extinguished?"

    When was the last time you tracked a wild board through the Appalachian for three days, and had to finish it off with your trusty bowie knife after your sidearm failed, Ole Hickory?
  36. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Having lived in multicultural paradise here in America it just astounds me how naive and idiotic all those skandis can be. Like trusting animals living on an island with no predators they’ve become easy prey for the new species of carnivores being introduced. They’ll have to pay more taxes now to pay for all the new services required. But it’s worth it; they must show they are a worthy people by doing good deeds.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    And how much smarter are we here in the US, who should understand what it means to try to deal with the hostile Other? Nearly 10 percent of blacks in this country are immigrants--we've allowed them to come despite our insoluble race problem. We bring in Muslims who had virtually no foothold in this country 50 years ago.
  37. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Merema
    yes, white british christians never pimped or to use the new word "groomed" lower class vulnerable british teenage girls from alcoholic broken families in the history of the UK.

    be that as it may, islamic terrorism has understandable brought out the worst out of many decent people...but come on, the narrative of "they are raping our white women' is just lame and old.

    lets not be politically correct -the "muslim" men are ghetto trash, and the girls were from white trashy families -that is why the british authorities never cared all these years, just like no one cared about black pimps and their white runway teenager prostitutes in the 70s and 80s here in america. everyone looked the other way until -to their credit- feminists changed our perspective and now exploiting underage teenagers girls is a serious crime.

    the british girls were exploited and abused by predatory men -this is an old story that is not based on religion.

    be that as it may, islamic terrorism has understandable brought out the worst out of many decent people…but come on, the narrative of “they are raping our white women’ is just lame and old.

    The FACT that they are raping our white women has gotten even older.

    It would be nice if I could live in your fantasy world, where saying “It’s getting old.” means that something isn’t happening, but I can’t.
    the british girls were exploited and abused by predatory men -this is an old story that is not based on religion.

    the british girls were exploited and abused by predatory men -this is an old story that is not based on religion.

    It’s based on vastly inferior people being allowed to infest our civilization. And yes. That IS getting old.

    yes, white british christians never pimped or to use the new word “groomed” lower class vulnerable british teenage girls from alcoholic broken families in the history of the UK.

    The excuse “Durrr… Christians used to do it to!” is ALSO quite lame and old.

  38. @iSteveFan

    Norway, like most European countries, does not break down crime statistics by ethnicity or religion. A 2011 report by Norway’s state statistical bureau noted that “immigrants are overrepresented in the crime statistics” but suggested that this was not due to cultural differences but because many of the immigrants were young men.

    “It should not be surprising if groups with large proportions of young males have higher crime rates than groups with large proportions elderly women,” the report said.
     
    Once again the media manages to put into the public record information that contradicts the narrative that the majority of the migrants are women and children.

    Where is anyone running a narrative that those are the majority? A lot of papers might exaggarate the proportion of women and children, but I don’t think you’ll find any halfway credible-looking that straight cites them as a majority.

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce

    I don’t think you’ll find any halfway credible-looking that straight cites them as a majority.
     
    "Apparently they are scared of widows and orphans coming into the United States of America," Obama said of Republicans. "At first, they were too scared of the press being too tough on them in the debates. Now they are scared of three year old orphans. That doesn’t seem so tough to me."
  39. @Bliss

    Non-Western immigrants accounted for 18% of the population of Oslo, but 50% of the rapes. Norweigians were 77% of the population, but 36% of the rapists. So non-Westerners are 6x as likely to rape as native Norweigians.
     
    That means western immigrants accounted for 5% of Oslo's population but 14% of the rapes? That is exactly the same rate as for non-western immigrants.

    Correct. European immigrants seem to have a relatively high rate of rape too. Perhaps the Eastern
    Euros and Balkans are badly behaved?

    • Replies: @anon
    Perhaps the Eastern
    Euros and Balkans are badly behaved?


    Or Muslims coming to Norway from France, Germany, etc.

    Does a Muslim coming from France count as "western" or "non-western"? If they're not trackingntheir ethnicity, it would have to be "western", wouldn't it?
    , @Romanian
    I have a few ideas. The first is that it might be a selection bias - knowing what easy prey they are, the people more likely to move there are predatory types, either for fraud or for flesh. Worker bees head to places with less taxation and better weather. Neither are the Eastern European and Balkan countries that homogeneous - many of them have significant Roma populations, who stand out as beacons of criminality and anti-social behavior. Two friends were in Sweden recently for a workweek with Swedish colleagues. Among their tales of an awesome museum for military planes and submarines, they told me of a park in Stockholm overrun with Romanian Gypsies squatting there. The embarrassment was quite significant and they learned not to speak Romanian among their larger group.

    Another issue is that, truly, there is more sexual violence in Eastern Europe than in Western Europe and Northern Europe. I don't believe much more, since the occasional gang rape in the sticks dominates the news cycle for days, but it's there, especially in very impoverished and rural settings which, contrary to the conservative wholesomeness attributed to such places in other countries, have been turned into dystopic places by Communism's assault on traditional values and the peasant class and by the brain and bourgeoisie drain committed by the cities. Kind of like in that Atlantic piece on how the Black ghetto went really bad after the Bourgeois elements finally found it possible to leave http://www.theatlantic.com/past/politics/poverty/origin1.htm

    The things is that such a society adapts and creates defense mechanisms that don't even register anymore, which keep potential sexual violence down. We're not into covering up women, but a lack of personal responsibility (who do you go home with, how do you get home, how responsible are you when drinking) really is viewed as suggesting a dissolute character. Therefore, when criminally inclined elements from these societies make it to the predator-less Northern countries, they have an outsized effect because of the lack of mechanisms for defense we take for granted. All of the girls I know (and I was in a co-ed student dorm, I know plenty) go clubbing with friends, they go in group to the bathroom, they don't let friends leave with strange men, they won't walk down a creepy, unlit street, they'll take a taxi instead of a ten minute walk through a poorly lit area (and the drivers accept this and it's taxi company policy that all orders must be accepted regardless of distance). One doesn't escort the girl home just hoping for a kiss or a fondle, it's an endearing act of protectiveness that is always appreciated not just for potential romantic partners, but also friends. Or, if you send them by cab, it is nice to call and see if they made it alright. In retrospect, it seems like an exaggerated form of security culture since, aside from the daily dose of the macabre on the TV, we don't feel unsafe, but we don't think about it very much. Also, it's the women who are the most conservative and insist on protection from men, while men may sometimes be cavalier about this stuff. I remember how scandalized girls in our dorm were that boys would sometimes not lock their rooms at night when sleeping and my own gf promptly locks the door the moment she enters even in the middle of the day. I have one friend who was mugged by school bullies years ago, but that's the extent of the criminal impact on my personal circle. But it works and we do it.

    This reminds me of how shocked those friends going to Sweden were when they were drinking a beer in a club or something and a Swedish girl nearby who'd had a few actually dropped hear jeans and mooned the room. Sure, they couched in terms like how awesome is Sweden, but there was a hint of disapproval there too. They also noticed a few too many unescorted drunk chicks staggering about late at night. Prey...
  40. @Merema
    yes, white british christians never pimped or to use the new word "groomed" lower class vulnerable british teenage girls from alcoholic broken families in the history of the UK.

    be that as it may, islamic terrorism has understandable brought out the worst out of many decent people...but come on, the narrative of "they are raping our white women' is just lame and old.

    lets not be politically correct -the "muslim" men are ghetto trash, and the girls were from white trashy families -that is why the british authorities never cared all these years, just like no one cared about black pimps and their white runway teenager prostitutes in the 70s and 80s here in america. everyone looked the other way until -to their credit- feminists changed our perspective and now exploiting underage teenagers girls is a serious crime.

    the british girls were exploited and abused by predatory men -this is an old story that is not based on religion.

    but come on, the narrative of “they are raping our white women’ is just lame and old.

    Rotherham.

    Reference to some old, ancient, long forgotten incident in the town of Rotherham, historians still haven’t been able to determine why this term has come to signal a call to arms against Muslim invaders. Some suspect that it involves fables about Muslim men raping English girls but since all evidence from that period was erased by the Dhimmi overclass, it’s difficult for the historians of 2015 to determine exactly what transpired in the so long ago 2013.

  41. @Mouth
    Dark skinned men are the most attractive to women

    Actually you’d be surprised how many Middle Eastern and South Asian women have white fever.

    • Replies: @BurplesonAFB
    Whites, male and female, are by far the worlds most fetishized race.
  42. @JohnnyWalker123
    Correct. European immigrants seem to have a relatively high rate of rape too. Perhaps the Eastern
    Euros and Balkans are badly behaved?

    Perhaps the Eastern
    Euros and Balkans are badly behaved?

    Or Muslims coming to Norway from France, Germany, etc.

    Does a Muslim coming from France count as “western” or “non-western”? If they’re not trackingntheir ethnicity, it would have to be “western”, wouldn’t it?

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Doubtful. The numbers don't really work out here.

    I think perhaps the issue might be Albanians and Bosniaks. Lots of them are badly behaved. Maybe they engage in lots of rape.
  43. @M.G. Miles
    Re: the Oslo numbers, I put some of the 2011 Oslo immigrant rape data into graph form here, as well as data on immigrant rape in Denmark and Sweden (most recent numbers I could find).

    There are also graphs on global crime numbers by Muslim immigrant groups in several European countries, including the above nations as well as Switzerland, France, and the U.K., in Part II, #2 of this post.
  44. Muslim on white rape may be less an indication of greenhorniness and cultural obtuseness and more willful payback against the detested Crusader.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    The cultural explanation seems pretty plausible to me. Western women dress like prostitutes did back home, but aren't for sale and will call the cops if you treat them like you'd treat a prostitute back home. Western women may go out on a date with you, come up to your room, and kiss you, but then decide they're done, and you have to accept their "no" or you go to jail--probably a completely foreign notion to a Somali.

    I have no idea how much this kind of training will help, but if you're letting a bunch of immigrants in from very backwards countries with no women's rights, it's probably a good idea to let the immigrants know just how wildly different the situation is than what they're used to.
  45. @Ivy
    Berserkers were prominent in Viking lore. Have modern Scandinavians been so, ahem, watered down, that any and all primordial stirrings have been extinguished? It is discouraging that they won't defend their patrimony, although that word has probably been forbidden.

    Berserkers were prominent in Viking lore. Have modern Scandinavians been so, ahem, watered down, that any and all primordial stirrings have been extinguished? It is discouraging that they won’t defend their patrimony, although that word has probably been forbidden.

    The berserkers are the ones doing the forbidding.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  46. @anony-mouse
    The irony here is that it is the very racial homogeneity that people here love so much that is causing the inability to speak of the large scale sexual assaults committed by Muslims.

    Hans Christian Andersen (the Dane who wrote the individualistic 'The Emperor's New Clothes' and 'The Ugly Duckling') understood this aspect of Scandinavian life well back in the 19th century, namely that group agreement trumps anything else including reality.

    And since Scandinavian group agreement (as decided decades ago by the various SoDem governments and institutions) includes 'anti-racism', that's that.

    The Swedish Democrats and similar groups will not win, unless and until native Scandinavians lose their homogeneity.

    The media polices and maintains the PC gulag.

    The anti-racist consensus you speak of was created and is maintained by filtering information to herd people in the desired direction.

    The people paying the highest price are the children and when a large enough percentage have been attacked then a tipping point will occur.

  47. Given how powerful the feminist lobby tends to be in Scandinavia, I’d say the public apathy is due to two main factors:

    Most of the victims of immigrant rapists are working class native women or Eastern European immigrants and prostitutes.

    Most of this violence is occuring in areas where middle class Scandinavians rarely visit.

    This probably explains why native feminists aren’t that bothered by it, and why increasing numbers of working class white women are voting for nationalist parties.

    Maybe white feminists should split up into two groups: feminists for working class women and feminists for middle class liberals. At the moment the later group just isn’t very interested in the problems of their lower income sisters.

    • Replies: @anon
    That's the gist of it.

    The media have maintained what is effectively an electronic gulag around the working class areas where this has been going on for years with vast numbers of victims.

    The people outside the gulag walls have no idea it is happening.

    However I think the scale of what the EU elite has now done is likely to break that wall.

    If there is a backlash eventually and people realise how much the media lied for so many years I really doubt they'll survive the fury.

    , @Reg Cæsar

    This probably explains why native feminists aren’t that bothered by it, and why increasing numbers of working class white women are voting for nationalist parties.

     

    The big victory for them recently was extending the draft to women-- and not "conscription lite" as in Israel, but on the same terms as men. That's never been done before anywhere.

    Sweden and Germany chose to abandon conscription in 2010, and Denmark and Finland still maintain an active, all-male draft. Norway is particularly weird.

    They have ideological reasons for drafting people in peacetime. And maybe working class girls are safer in the army than on the streets of Oslo!
  48. @Ed
    Good point. You can add Ibsen's plays, particularly "Enemy of the People" as a study of group-think by a Scandinavian.

    And then there’s Kierkegaard (ironically, and rightfully) in a class by himself.

  49. What human being would ignore or seemingly support the rape of the women of their ethnicity by foreigners? This culture reacts to the wide spread rape of their women by Africans by holding training sessions? This is just impossible to believe.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    What human being would ignore or seemingly support the rape of the women of their ethnicity by foreigners? This culture reacts to the wide spread rape of their women by Africans by holding training sessions? This is just impossible to believe.
     
    It's not impossible to believe. It's not hard to believe. It's not surprising in the least. In fact, it's exactly what one would expect in a system where the government sponsors the aggressors, criminalizes self-defense, and has the power to kill with impunity those who stand up for their people.
  50. @Vinay
    Surely you can see at least non-PC reasons for doing this, right? Even if the migrant was fully committed to renouncing "patriarchy" etc, it doesn't give him magical powers to interpret social signals in a radically different society.

    If nothing else, the Campus Rape Crisis should have made utterly clear that the issue is not about "teaching men not to rape" since men who're fully committed to not raping may not be totaled clear on all the different things which count as rape.

    So it's easy to see this as Norway "teaching Muslims not to rape" but you only have to look at Julian Assamge to agree that, perhaps, it'd be a good idea for any migrant to be told precisely what Scandinavian countries count as rape.

    It is completely insane to allow millions of young men into your country who come from cultures that believe it’s okay to rape women who are out without a male relative.

    At least they’re starting to accept there is a problem after denying it for decades.

  51. @Merema
    yes, white british christians never pimped or to use the new word "groomed" lower class vulnerable british teenage girls from alcoholic broken families in the history of the UK.

    be that as it may, islamic terrorism has understandable brought out the worst out of many decent people...but come on, the narrative of "they are raping our white women' is just lame and old.

    lets not be politically correct -the "muslim" men are ghetto trash, and the girls were from white trashy families -that is why the british authorities never cared all these years, just like no one cared about black pimps and their white runway teenager prostitutes in the 70s and 80s here in america. everyone looked the other way until -to their credit- feminists changed our perspective and now exploiting underage teenagers girls is a serious crime.

    the british girls were exploited and abused by predatory men -this is an old story that is not based on religion.

    I’m going to guess if it was happening in reverse your opinion would be reversed also.

    • Replies: @anon
    I’m going to guess if it was happening in reverse your opinion would be reversed also.

    Considering that the only concern he showed in relation to this issue was for the Sudanese man (that he somehow knew was "trusting" and "dignified") having his photograph put in a newspaper, I'd say you're right on the money.

    , @Merema
    If it was in reverse, I would not make it a religious issue. Most of the "rape " stuff in the western media is FAKE, whether is it is college white christian men versus college white christian girls or "Muslim" men versus white girls, or south african men raping south african women..pretty much all of it is fake or exaggerated feminist propaganda.

    It is just ridiculous how people lap it up when it suits them.

    RAPE IS RARE.

    What is not rare is trashy lower class men pimping vulnerable teenagers from trashy lower class families..- the oldest profession.
  52. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @unpc downunder
    Given how powerful the feminist lobby tends to be in Scandinavia, I'd say the public apathy is due to two main factors:

    Most of the victims of immigrant rapists are working class native women or Eastern European immigrants and prostitutes.

    Most of this violence is occuring in areas where middle class Scandinavians rarely visit.

    This probably explains why native feminists aren't that bothered by it, and why increasing numbers of working class white women are voting for nationalist parties.

    Maybe white feminists should split up into two groups: feminists for working class women and feminists for middle class liberals. At the moment the later group just isn't very interested in the problems of their lower income sisters.

    That’s the gist of it.

    The media have maintained what is effectively an electronic gulag around the working class areas where this has been going on for years with vast numbers of victims.

    The people outside the gulag walls have no idea it is happening.

    However I think the scale of what the EU elite has now done is likely to break that wall.

    If there is a backlash eventually and people realise how much the media lied for so many years I really doubt they’ll survive the fury.

  53. @anonymous
    Having lived in multicultural paradise here in America it just astounds me how naive and idiotic all those skandis can be. Like trusting animals living on an island with no predators they've become easy prey for the new species of carnivores being introduced. They'll have to pay more taxes now to pay for all the new services required. But it's worth it; they must show they are a worthy people by doing good deeds.

    And how much smarter are we here in the US, who should understand what it means to try to deal with the hostile Other? Nearly 10 percent of blacks in this country are immigrants–we’ve allowed them to come despite our insoluble race problem. We bring in Muslims who had virtually no foothold in this country 50 years ago.

  54. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    I'm going to guess if it was happening in reverse your opinion would be reversed also.

    I’m going to guess if it was happening in reverse your opinion would be reversed also.

    Considering that the only concern he showed in relation to this issue was for the Sudanese man (that he somehow knew was “trusting” and “dignified”) having his photograph put in a newspaper, I’d say you’re right on the money.

  55. anon • Disclaimer says:

    I like this, from the NYT article:

    The claim that refugees and immigrants in general are prone to commit rape has become a main rallying cry of anti-migrant activists across Europe, with each case of sexual violence by a newcomer presented as evidence of an imported scourge.

    Well… I don’t know what else you’d call importing rapists. Do you? What’s a nicer term for “scourge”? “Plague”, maybe?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Well… I don’t know what else you’d call importing rapists. Do you? What’s a nicer term for “scourge”? “Plague”, maybe?

     

    "Clinton Administration", perhaps.
  56. @Vinay
    Surely you can see at least non-PC reasons for doing this, right? Even if the migrant was fully committed to renouncing "patriarchy" etc, it doesn't give him magical powers to interpret social signals in a radically different society.

    If nothing else, the Campus Rape Crisis should have made utterly clear that the issue is not about "teaching men not to rape" since men who're fully committed to not raping may not be totaled clear on all the different things which count as rape.

    So it's easy to see this as Norway "teaching Muslims not to rape" but you only have to look at Julian Assamge to agree that, perhaps, it'd be a good idea for any migrant to be told precisely what Scandinavian countries count as rape.

    If nothing else, the Campus Rape Crisis should have made utterly clear that the issue is not about “teaching men not to rape” since men who’re fully committed to not raping may not be totaled clear on all the different things which count as rape.

    So it’s easy to see this as Norway “teaching Muslims not to rape” but you only have to look at Julian Assamge to agree that, perhaps, it’d be a good idea for any migrant to be told precisely what Scandinavian countries count as rape.

    Again, Leftists cover for those who commit aggression.

    There’s no mystery. The definition of rape in Norway is the same as every other place where people have the intellectual capacity to achieve some level of objectivity.

  57. @Merema
    yes, white british christians never pimped or to use the new word "groomed" lower class vulnerable british teenage girls from alcoholic broken families in the history of the UK.

    be that as it may, islamic terrorism has understandable brought out the worst out of many decent people...but come on, the narrative of "they are raping our white women' is just lame and old.

    lets not be politically correct -the "muslim" men are ghetto trash, and the girls were from white trashy families -that is why the british authorities never cared all these years, just like no one cared about black pimps and their white runway teenager prostitutes in the 70s and 80s here in america. everyone looked the other way until -to their credit- feminists changed our perspective and now exploiting underage teenagers girls is a serious crime.

    the british girls were exploited and abused by predatory men -this is an old story that is not based on religion.

    yes, white british christians never pimped or to use the new word “groomed” lower class vulnerable british teenage girls from alcoholic broken families in the history of the UK.

    That’s just stupid — profoundly stupid. Even if true, it is irrelevant to any discussion of the aggression committed by immigrants.

    … just like no one cared about black pimps and their white runway teenager prostitutes in the 70s and 80s here in america. everyone looked the other way….

    Prove it. I have never heard of anyone looking the other way — aside from you, who have just now admitted to it. Don’t project your moral depravity onto us.

    • Replies: @anon
    Prove it. I have never heard of anyone looking the other way

    I wasn't born at the time, but I think the closest anyone came to "looking the other way" was when Martin Scorsese made the pimp in Taxi Driver a white guy.

    I can imagine a lot of politically correct types not wanting to talk about it because of the racial implications, but that doesn't really prove his point as much as it provides another disgusting example of the same moral failure that led to Rotherham.
  58. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anony-mouse
    The irony here is that it is the very racial homogeneity that people here love so much that is causing the inability to speak of the large scale sexual assaults committed by Muslims.

    Hans Christian Andersen (the Dane who wrote the individualistic 'The Emperor's New Clothes' and 'The Ugly Duckling') understood this aspect of Scandinavian life well back in the 19th century, namely that group agreement trumps anything else including reality.

    And since Scandinavian group agreement (as decided decades ago by the various SoDem governments and institutions) includes 'anti-racism', that's that.

    The Swedish Democrats and similar groups will not win, unless and until native Scandinavians lose their homogeneity.

    I like where you’re going with this. I suspect you’re probably right.

    When Norway WAS actually a racially homogenous society, they got along fine, because part of being racially homogenous meant that you weren’t very likely to prey on people who were so similar to you.

    They evolved in that context, meaning that they never developed the cultural antibodies to other, more predatory peoples, and cannot defend themselves adequately.

    If the Norwegians had been smarter a few decades ago, what they should have done was explain this to the UN, or whoever is in charge of these sorts of things. Tell them that their lack of internal cultural protections means that they’re like those uncontacted tribes in the Amazon, or Sentinel Islanders or something, and that it would be genocidal for immigrants to be placed among them.

    Sadly, that ship has sailed. So I guess they’re just going to have to learn to protect themselves. I hope, though, that after the immigrants are gone, they’re able to return to their peaceable old ways.

    I have a feeling that we’re all going to miss those boring, trusting, peaceful Scandinavians once they’re gone, though.

    • Replies: @JSM
    Yeah. Because in the learning to protect themselves, it's entirely possible the Viking genes, rare amongst them though they may currently be, will be selected for with a vengeance.

    Quote from history:

    "God, save us from the Norsemen."
  59. @E. Newton
    What human being would ignore or seemingly support the rape of the women of their ethnicity by foreigners? This culture reacts to the wide spread rape of their women by Africans by holding training sessions? This is just impossible to believe.

    What human being would ignore or seemingly support the rape of the women of their ethnicity by foreigners? This culture reacts to the wide spread rape of their women by Africans by holding training sessions? This is just impossible to believe.

    It’s not impossible to believe. It’s not hard to believe. It’s not surprising in the least. In fact, it’s exactly what one would expect in a system where the government sponsors the aggressors, criminalizes self-defense, and has the power to kill with impunity those who stand up for their people.

  60. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman

    yes, white british christians never pimped or to use the new word “groomed” lower class vulnerable british teenage girls from alcoholic broken families in the history of the UK.
     
    That's just stupid -- profoundly stupid. Even if true, it is irrelevant to any discussion of the aggression committed by immigrants.

    ... just like no one cared about black pimps and their white runway teenager prostitutes in the 70s and 80s here in america. everyone looked the other way....
     
    Prove it. I have never heard of anyone looking the other way -- aside from you, who have just now admitted to it. Don't project your moral depravity onto us.

    Prove it. I have never heard of anyone looking the other way

    I wasn’t born at the time, but I think the closest anyone came to “looking the other way” was when Martin Scorsese made the pimp in Taxi Driver a white guy.

    I can imagine a lot of politically correct types not wanting to talk about it because of the racial implications, but that doesn’t really prove his point as much as it provides another disgusting example of the same moral failure that led to Rotherham.

  61. @unpc downunder
    Given how powerful the feminist lobby tends to be in Scandinavia, I'd say the public apathy is due to two main factors:

    Most of the victims of immigrant rapists are working class native women or Eastern European immigrants and prostitutes.

    Most of this violence is occuring in areas where middle class Scandinavians rarely visit.

    This probably explains why native feminists aren't that bothered by it, and why increasing numbers of working class white women are voting for nationalist parties.

    Maybe white feminists should split up into two groups: feminists for working class women and feminists for middle class liberals. At the moment the later group just isn't very interested in the problems of their lower income sisters.

    This probably explains why native feminists aren’t that bothered by it, and why increasing numbers of working class white women are voting for nationalist parties.

    The big victory for them recently was extending the draft to women– and not “conscription lite” as in Israel, but on the same terms as men. That’s never been done before anywhere.

    Sweden and Germany chose to abandon conscription in 2010, and Denmark and Finland still maintain an active, all-male draft. Norway is particularly weird.

    They have ideological reasons for drafting people in peacetime. And maybe working class girls are safer in the army than on the streets of Oslo!

  62. @Merema
    i guess muslim men are now rapists in the mind of westerners...wow, when a minority group is hated, both left and right jump on the rape bandwagon.

    what is happening to the western mind that they see rapists under every bed (or should i say on every bed)? where did this rape hysteria culture come from? men are promoting this hysteria too-as long as it is against Other Men.

    I am curious to see where all this will go in the decade..but still sad to see that old dignified trusting sudanese man in the ny times picture portrayed as a rapist.

    Individuals, such as the old, dignified, trusting Sudanese man, can obviously be judged on their own merits, in some and perhaps many circumstances.

    Their existence, however, is only generalized as a counterargument against observed criminal tendencies in their broader cohort by the weak- or simple-minded.

    Which of these categories are you in?

  63. @anon
    I like this, from the NYT article:

    The claim that refugees and immigrants in general are prone to commit rape has become a main rallying cry of anti-migrant activists across Europe, with each case of sexual violence by a newcomer presented as evidence of an imported scourge.
     
    Well... I don't know what else you'd call importing rapists. Do you? What's a nicer term for "scourge"? "Plague", maybe?

    Well… I don’t know what else you’d call importing rapists. Do you? What’s a nicer term for “scourge”? “Plague”, maybe?

    “Clinton Administration”, perhaps.

  64. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    As I understand it, Norway really didn’t seriously ‘get rich’ until the discovery and development of oil and natural gas fields in the 1960s and 70s.
    From what I’ve read, at the turn of the last century, Norway was, in fact, one of the poorest nations in Europe in terms of income per head, poorer even than the southern and eastern European nations. Surprisingly, Norway sent more emigrants per capita to the USA than virtually any other European nation, I say surprising because one hardly ever hears about ‘Norwegian American’ immigrants.
    A cold, inhospitable, mountainous nation, before oil, Norway relied on fish, timber and shipping to support its sparse population. Hydro electricity was developed later.

    I say all this because until quite recently it was literally unthinkable that Norway, which was NEVER a colonial power, would ever host a substantial immigrant population. Not even Europeans let alone tropical Africans and Asians.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    …I say surprising because one hardly ever hears about ‘Norwegian American’ immigrants.
     
    You don't live in Minnesota.* Or Iowa.** Or either Dakota.***

    I think there are more Norwegian colleges in America than Swedish, Danish, and Finnish ones combined.

    *HQ of Sons of Norway
    **140+-year-old Norwegian-American museum in Decorah
    ***Annual Høstefest in Minot
    , @Expletive Deleted
    " Norway, which was NEVER a colonial power"
    Mainly on account of it's being "Sweden, det. par." until just about WWI, after the Danes shucked it off onto them in 1814.
    "Denmark had purposely made Copenhagen the capital of the union in order to strengthen Denmark, and weaken Norway, throughout the union as upon its dissolution, making Denmark able to rob Norway of its medieval colonies in 1814."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_colonial_empire
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_overseas_colonies
    What a Cnut.
    , @Stan Adams
    Reg Cæsar is right - there are *a lot* of "Norwegian-Americans" in the Upper Midwest. More than a few Swedish- and Finnish-Americans in those parts, as well.

    But you could live for years in, say, New Jersey, without seeing any Nordic types.
    , @Percy Gryce

    I say surprising because one hardly ever hears about ‘Norwegian American’ immigrants.
     
    Garrison Keillor's Prairie Home Companion mentions them almost every week.

    Mad Men's Peggy Olson was prominently Norwegian American.
  65. Scene 1.- A bespectacled bureaucrat stand in front of a class of recently arrived migrants. She stands by a blackboard with the words “Rape is bad” written in chalk. The word bad is underlined multiple times, as through it had required re-emphasis at several points in the lecture.

    Bureaucrat: “To force someone into sex is not permitted in Norway, even when you are married to that person.”

    The room erupts in a din of grazing graphite as the whole class takes notes. The camera pans across the classroom-many of the note takers wear expressions of exasperation and amazement. One student silently mouths his notes to himself, emphasizing points of juxtaposition with a flick of his pencil. Another stares at the words on the blackboard bug-eyed, as through a clearer look at them would transfigure the sentence into something more decipherable. Yet another student briefly raises his hand with a wry smile- lowering it just as quickly in disappointment as he further thinks through what answer he would receive.

  66. @JohnnyWalker123
    Correct. European immigrants seem to have a relatively high rate of rape too. Perhaps the Eastern
    Euros and Balkans are badly behaved?

    I have a few ideas. The first is that it might be a selection bias – knowing what easy prey they are, the people more likely to move there are predatory types, either for fraud or for flesh. Worker bees head to places with less taxation and better weather. Neither are the Eastern European and Balkan countries that homogeneous – many of them have significant Roma populations, who stand out as beacons of criminality and anti-social behavior. Two friends were in Sweden recently for a workweek with Swedish colleagues. Among their tales of an awesome museum for military planes and submarines, they told me of a park in Stockholm overrun with Romanian Gypsies squatting there. The embarrassment was quite significant and they learned not to speak Romanian among their larger group.

    [MORE]

    Another issue is that, truly, there is more sexual violence in Eastern Europe than in Western Europe and Northern Europe. I don’t believe much more, since the occasional gang rape in the sticks dominates the news cycle for days, but it’s there, especially in very impoverished and rural settings which, contrary to the conservative wholesomeness attributed to such places in other countries, have been turned into dystopic places by Communism’s assault on traditional values and the peasant class and by the brain and bourgeoisie drain committed by the cities. Kind of like in that Atlantic piece on how the Black ghetto went really bad after the Bourgeois elements finally found it possible to leave http://www.theatlantic.com/past/politics/poverty/origin1.htm

    The things is that such a society adapts and creates defense mechanisms that don’t even register anymore, which keep potential sexual violence down. We’re not into covering up women, but a lack of personal responsibility (who do you go home with, how do you get home, how responsible are you when drinking) really is viewed as suggesting a dissolute character. Therefore, when criminally inclined elements from these societies make it to the predator-less Northern countries, they have an outsized effect because of the lack of mechanisms for defense we take for granted. All of the girls I know (and I was in a co-ed student dorm, I know plenty) go clubbing with friends, they go in group to the bathroom, they don’t let friends leave with strange men, they won’t walk down a creepy, unlit street, they’ll take a taxi instead of a ten minute walk through a poorly lit area (and the drivers accept this and it’s taxi company policy that all orders must be accepted regardless of distance). One doesn’t escort the girl home just hoping for a kiss or a fondle, it’s an endearing act of protectiveness that is always appreciated not just for potential romantic partners, but also friends. Or, if you send them by cab, it is nice to call and see if they made it alright. In retrospect, it seems like an exaggerated form of security culture since, aside from the daily dose of the macabre on the TV, we don’t feel unsafe, but we don’t think about it very much. Also, it’s the women who are the most conservative and insist on protection from men, while men may sometimes be cavalier about this stuff. I remember how scandalized girls in our dorm were that boys would sometimes not lock their rooms at night when sleeping and my own gf promptly locks the door the moment she enters even in the middle of the day. I have one friend who was mugged by school bullies years ago, but that’s the extent of the criminal impact on my personal circle. But it works and we do it.

    This reminds me of how shocked those friends going to Sweden were when they were drinking a beer in a club or something and a Swedish girl nearby who’d had a few actually dropped hear jeans and mooned the room. Sure, they couched in terms like how awesome is Sweden, but there was a hint of disapproval there too. They also noticed a few too many unescorted drunk chicks staggering about late at night. Prey…

    • Replies: @bomag
    Sure, they couched in terms like how awesome is Sweden, but there was a hint of disapproval there too.

    The modern migration is extinguishing this "awesomeness". Our leaders don't know what a good thing we've got going; and it is being pissed away.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Are the gypsies into rape?
  67. @Vinay
    Surely you can see at least non-PC reasons for doing this, right? Even if the migrant was fully committed to renouncing "patriarchy" etc, it doesn't give him magical powers to interpret social signals in a radically different society.

    If nothing else, the Campus Rape Crisis should have made utterly clear that the issue is not about "teaching men not to rape" since men who're fully committed to not raping may not be totaled clear on all the different things which count as rape.

    So it's easy to see this as Norway "teaching Muslims not to rape" but you only have to look at Julian Assamge to agree that, perhaps, it'd be a good idea for any migrant to be told precisely what Scandinavian countries count as rape.

    Isn’t it strange though that all these young Syria and MENA men who are going to become engineers and scientists and quick study service workers allegedly need to be told – v.e.r.y. s.l.o.w.l.y. – that dragged a local girl into the bushes, tearing her clothes, punching her and raping her is wrong?

    Yeah these pissant classes are going to be a great success; almost as successful as Europe’s efforts to deromanticise jihad.

    Has anyone, while we are at it, ever made an estimate of the percentage of mosques in Europe that preach that it is possible to be an honourable woman even in a short skirt?

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    This has nothing to do with education or culture. This comes down to 2 traits.

    1. Sociopathy. Muslims are, on average, much more sociopathic than Northern Euro whites.
    2. Sexual frustration. Muslims are, on average, much more sexually frustrated than Northern Euro whites (due to sexual constraints with their own unmarried women).

    No amount of education or instruction will change the above traits. Perhaps assimilation might, but there's no evidence of Muslims assimilating to Euro cultures.

    In Muslim nations, rape is uncommong because male relatives keep tight control over their females. Also, because if you did rape a female from one family, their entire clan would visit violence on you and your clan.

  68. Song for the girly-induced-crisis of 2015. A message from the women of Europe. No White Flags!
    (but you shouldn’t take seriously anything us girls say)

    http://youtu.be/j-fWDrZSiZs

  69. Anonymous [AKA "Oh just me"] says:
    @Cagey Beast
    OT:
    It seems like the recent French regional elections may not have brought in a wave of Front National regional governments but it did bring in a nationalist one in Corsica. The new regional legislature sat on Thursday and elected an indépendantiste named Jean-Guy Talamoni. He called the newly elected assembly "the first national government since the 18th century".

    "I will naturally be the President [ie, Speaker of the House] of all those elected to the Assembly", one can read in a [French] translation prepared for continental journalists "but I must say a few words on behalf of this national movement that has never accepted French rule over Corsica. In the name of all those who since 1768 [the Second Corsican Revolution] have never stopped fighting so that Corsica would become a nation, in the name of all of those who have never renounced the idea of independence" .
     

    http://www.lemonde.fr/elections-regionales-2015/article/2015/12/18/corse-la-demonstration-nationaliste_4834594_4640869.html

    Then they broke into the Corsican national anthem; which is a pretty good one:

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3ip1hk_diu-vi-salvi-regina-17-decembre-2015_news#tab_embed

    Apparently there's a pattern of Corsican nationalism reviving when the popular mood feels like France is being misgoverned and Corsica would be better off on their own.

    EU would love to break up Te remaining nation states that’s why it’s happy to encouragescotland, Catalonia, ect . Smaller states will have. Less power against the EU

  70. @Merema
    yes, white british christians never pimped or to use the new word "groomed" lower class vulnerable british teenage girls from alcoholic broken families in the history of the UK.

    be that as it may, islamic terrorism has understandable brought out the worst out of many decent people...but come on, the narrative of "they are raping our white women' is just lame and old.

    lets not be politically correct -the "muslim" men are ghetto trash, and the girls were from white trashy families -that is why the british authorities never cared all these years, just like no one cared about black pimps and their white runway teenager prostitutes in the 70s and 80s here in america. everyone looked the other way until -to their credit- feminists changed our perspective and now exploiting underage teenagers girls is a serious crime.

    the british girls were exploited and abused by predatory men -this is an old story that is not based on religion.

    So Merema is *pimping* the line that “everyone does it, so it is okay”.

    We have rapists of our own: why import more? Absolutely no reason. Our kindness is being abused.

  71. Many refugees “come from cultures that are not gender equal and where women are the property of men,” Mr. Isdal said. “We have to help them adapt to their new culture.”

    The observed behavior is that this “new” culture will be defeated and the “old” culture will be installed.

    The Right of Conquest underlies all this.

  72. @Romanian
    I have a few ideas. The first is that it might be a selection bias - knowing what easy prey they are, the people more likely to move there are predatory types, either for fraud or for flesh. Worker bees head to places with less taxation and better weather. Neither are the Eastern European and Balkan countries that homogeneous - many of them have significant Roma populations, who stand out as beacons of criminality and anti-social behavior. Two friends were in Sweden recently for a workweek with Swedish colleagues. Among their tales of an awesome museum for military planes and submarines, they told me of a park in Stockholm overrun with Romanian Gypsies squatting there. The embarrassment was quite significant and they learned not to speak Romanian among their larger group.

    Another issue is that, truly, there is more sexual violence in Eastern Europe than in Western Europe and Northern Europe. I don't believe much more, since the occasional gang rape in the sticks dominates the news cycle for days, but it's there, especially in very impoverished and rural settings which, contrary to the conservative wholesomeness attributed to such places in other countries, have been turned into dystopic places by Communism's assault on traditional values and the peasant class and by the brain and bourgeoisie drain committed by the cities. Kind of like in that Atlantic piece on how the Black ghetto went really bad after the Bourgeois elements finally found it possible to leave http://www.theatlantic.com/past/politics/poverty/origin1.htm

    The things is that such a society adapts and creates defense mechanisms that don't even register anymore, which keep potential sexual violence down. We're not into covering up women, but a lack of personal responsibility (who do you go home with, how do you get home, how responsible are you when drinking) really is viewed as suggesting a dissolute character. Therefore, when criminally inclined elements from these societies make it to the predator-less Northern countries, they have an outsized effect because of the lack of mechanisms for defense we take for granted. All of the girls I know (and I was in a co-ed student dorm, I know plenty) go clubbing with friends, they go in group to the bathroom, they don't let friends leave with strange men, they won't walk down a creepy, unlit street, they'll take a taxi instead of a ten minute walk through a poorly lit area (and the drivers accept this and it's taxi company policy that all orders must be accepted regardless of distance). One doesn't escort the girl home just hoping for a kiss or a fondle, it's an endearing act of protectiveness that is always appreciated not just for potential romantic partners, but also friends. Or, if you send them by cab, it is nice to call and see if they made it alright. In retrospect, it seems like an exaggerated form of security culture since, aside from the daily dose of the macabre on the TV, we don't feel unsafe, but we don't think about it very much. Also, it's the women who are the most conservative and insist on protection from men, while men may sometimes be cavalier about this stuff. I remember how scandalized girls in our dorm were that boys would sometimes not lock their rooms at night when sleeping and my own gf promptly locks the door the moment she enters even in the middle of the day. I have one friend who was mugged by school bullies years ago, but that's the extent of the criminal impact on my personal circle. But it works and we do it.

    This reminds me of how shocked those friends going to Sweden were when they were drinking a beer in a club or something and a Swedish girl nearby who'd had a few actually dropped hear jeans and mooned the room. Sure, they couched in terms like how awesome is Sweden, but there was a hint of disapproval there too. They also noticed a few too many unescorted drunk chicks staggering about late at night. Prey...

    Sure, they couched in terms like how awesome is Sweden, but there was a hint of disapproval there too.

    The modern migration is extinguishing this “awesomeness”. Our leaders don’t know what a good thing we’ve got going; and it is being pissed away.

  73. @Bliss

    Non-Western immigrants accounted for 18% of the population of Oslo, but 50% of the rapes. Norweigians were 77% of the population, but 36% of the rapists. So non-Westerners are 6x as likely to rape as native Norweigians.
     
    That means western immigrants accounted for 5% of Oslo's population but 14% of the rapes? That is exactly the same rate as for non-western immigrants.

    Bliss has a good point, though the proportions are still somewhat lower for Western immigrants. I wonder which population, Western or non-Western immigrants, have higher percentages of men?

  74. @Bliss

    Non-Western immigrants accounted for 18% of the population of Oslo, but 50% of the rapes. Norweigians were 77% of the population, but 36% of the rapists. So non-Westerners are 6x as likely to rape as native Norweigians.
     
    That means western immigrants accounted for 5% of Oslo's population but 14% of the rapes? That is exactly the same rate as for non-western immigrants.

    Same Anon as above: Yes, Bliss has a good point, but on the other hand, in the non-Western immigrant category how many are non-Muslims from, say, East Asia?

  75. @Anonymous
    As I understand it, Norway really didn't seriously 'get rich' until the discovery and development of oil and natural gas fields in the 1960s and 70s.
    From what I've read, at the turn of the last century, Norway was, in fact, one of the poorest nations in Europe in terms of income per head, poorer even than the southern and eastern European nations. Surprisingly, Norway sent more emigrants per capita to the USA than virtually any other European nation, I say surprising because one hardly ever hears about 'Norwegian American' immigrants.
    A cold, inhospitable, mountainous nation, before oil, Norway relied on fish, timber and shipping to support its sparse population. Hydro electricity was developed later.

    I say all this because until quite recently it was literally unthinkable that Norway, which was NEVER a colonial power, would ever host a substantial immigrant population. Not even Europeans let alone tropical Africans and Asians.

    …I say surprising because one hardly ever hears about ‘Norwegian American’ immigrants.

    You don’t live in Minnesota.* Or Iowa.** Or either Dakota.***

    I think there are more Norwegian colleges in America than Swedish, Danish, and Finnish ones combined.

    *HQ of Sons of Norway
    **140+-year-old Norwegian-American museum in Decorah
    ***Annual Høstefest in Minot

    • Replies: @Ivy
    Skol to Norwegians everywhere, and have some lefse.
    , @patrick
    Or Washington State (Poulsbo and Ballard).
  76. @anon
    Perhaps the Eastern
    Euros and Balkans are badly behaved?


    Or Muslims coming to Norway from France, Germany, etc.

    Does a Muslim coming from France count as "western" or "non-western"? If they're not trackingntheir ethnicity, it would have to be "western", wouldn't it?

    Doubtful. The numbers don’t really work out here.

    I think perhaps the issue might be Albanians and Bosniaks. Lots of them are badly behaved. Maybe they engage in lots of rape.

    • Replies: @anon
    You may be right, but what do you mean "the numbers don't work out"? I'm assuming rapists make up a pretty small proportion of the immigrant population. Are there not enough European Muslim immigrants to Norway to cover all the rapes?

    I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just wondering what makes you think the numbers don't work out.
  77. @MKP
    "White men have created the finest society for women ever seen."

    And white women obviously don't want it. And they're not going to have to suffer through the boring, stale white man's world much longer.

    Steve's readers know a lot about a lot of issues, but you guys are generally in the dark as to how under-30 white men view the whole thing. Nobody is willing, anymore, to put in the kind of effort and sacrifice that's required to maintain a woman-friendly safe, clean, orderly society. Not only to put in that kind of effort, but to put in that kind of effort in the face of white women spitting in your face for your trouble.

    It's time to give white women what they've been demanding for so long - break down the "patriarchy" and renounce the bad-old ways. Let them stay inside after dark because they can't walk down the street without getting dragged into an alley by the orcs they're demanding be imported into formerly clean, safe (but racist!) white societies.

    Ask us if we give a fuck.

    Yes, Whiskey.

    • Replies: @MKP
    "Yes, Whiskey."

    It obviously makes you feel comfortable to think that I'm Whiskey writing in disguise. That's an easy solution - there's just one angry, ranting guy who is thinking twice about what his getting in return for sacrificing and putting himself at risk to protect white women. There's this one wacky guy on the internet who thinks - ha ha, get this - that white women are ungrateful, and aren't proving themselves worthy of the things that white men spend their lives trying to do for them.

    It's easier to say "Yes, Whiskey" than to consider the possibility that many, many young white men - possibly approaching a majority at this point - are noticing precisely the same things that Whiskey is noticing. Boy, that would certainly be a disquieting line of thought, would it not?
  78. @Bill B.
    Isn't it strange though that all these young Syria and MENA men who are going to become engineers and scientists and quick study service workers allegedly need to be told - v.e.r.y. s.l.o.w.l.y. - that dragged a local girl into the bushes, tearing her clothes, punching her and raping her is wrong?

    Yeah these pissant classes are going to be a great success; almost as successful as Europe's efforts to deromanticise jihad.

    Has anyone, while we are at it, ever made an estimate of the percentage of mosques in Europe that preach that it is possible to be an honourable woman even in a short skirt?

    This has nothing to do with education or culture. This comes down to 2 traits.

    1. Sociopathy. Muslims are, on average, much more sociopathic than Northern Euro whites.
    2. Sexual frustration. Muslims are, on average, much more sexually frustrated than Northern Euro whites (due to sexual constraints with their own unmarried women).

    No amount of education or instruction will change the above traits. Perhaps assimilation might, but there’s no evidence of Muslims assimilating to Euro cultures.

    In Muslim nations, rape is uncommong because male relatives keep tight control over their females. Also, because if you did rape a female from one family, their entire clan would visit violence on you and your clan.

    • Replies: @anon

    In Muslim nations, rape is uncommong because male relatives keep tight control over their females.
     
    Rape of a marriageable woman is uncommon for the reasons you mention - lack of access.

    Other kinds of rape are simply not counted because they are not considered important.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2739799/Why-millions-Pakistani-children-falling-prey-vicious-paedophiles.html
  79. @Romanian
    I have a few ideas. The first is that it might be a selection bias - knowing what easy prey they are, the people more likely to move there are predatory types, either for fraud or for flesh. Worker bees head to places with less taxation and better weather. Neither are the Eastern European and Balkan countries that homogeneous - many of them have significant Roma populations, who stand out as beacons of criminality and anti-social behavior. Two friends were in Sweden recently for a workweek with Swedish colleagues. Among their tales of an awesome museum for military planes and submarines, they told me of a park in Stockholm overrun with Romanian Gypsies squatting there. The embarrassment was quite significant and they learned not to speak Romanian among their larger group.

    Another issue is that, truly, there is more sexual violence in Eastern Europe than in Western Europe and Northern Europe. I don't believe much more, since the occasional gang rape in the sticks dominates the news cycle for days, but it's there, especially in very impoverished and rural settings which, contrary to the conservative wholesomeness attributed to such places in other countries, have been turned into dystopic places by Communism's assault on traditional values and the peasant class and by the brain and bourgeoisie drain committed by the cities. Kind of like in that Atlantic piece on how the Black ghetto went really bad after the Bourgeois elements finally found it possible to leave http://www.theatlantic.com/past/politics/poverty/origin1.htm

    The things is that such a society adapts and creates defense mechanisms that don't even register anymore, which keep potential sexual violence down. We're not into covering up women, but a lack of personal responsibility (who do you go home with, how do you get home, how responsible are you when drinking) really is viewed as suggesting a dissolute character. Therefore, when criminally inclined elements from these societies make it to the predator-less Northern countries, they have an outsized effect because of the lack of mechanisms for defense we take for granted. All of the girls I know (and I was in a co-ed student dorm, I know plenty) go clubbing with friends, they go in group to the bathroom, they don't let friends leave with strange men, they won't walk down a creepy, unlit street, they'll take a taxi instead of a ten minute walk through a poorly lit area (and the drivers accept this and it's taxi company policy that all orders must be accepted regardless of distance). One doesn't escort the girl home just hoping for a kiss or a fondle, it's an endearing act of protectiveness that is always appreciated not just for potential romantic partners, but also friends. Or, if you send them by cab, it is nice to call and see if they made it alright. In retrospect, it seems like an exaggerated form of security culture since, aside from the daily dose of the macabre on the TV, we don't feel unsafe, but we don't think about it very much. Also, it's the women who are the most conservative and insist on protection from men, while men may sometimes be cavalier about this stuff. I remember how scandalized girls in our dorm were that boys would sometimes not lock their rooms at night when sleeping and my own gf promptly locks the door the moment she enters even in the middle of the day. I have one friend who was mugged by school bullies years ago, but that's the extent of the criminal impact on my personal circle. But it works and we do it.

    This reminds me of how shocked those friends going to Sweden were when they were drinking a beer in a club or something and a Swedish girl nearby who'd had a few actually dropped hear jeans and mooned the room. Sure, they couched in terms like how awesome is Sweden, but there was a hint of disapproval there too. They also noticed a few too many unescorted drunk chicks staggering about late at night. Prey...

    Are the gypsies into rape?

    • Replies: @Old Jew
    Gypsies are into begging and minor theft.

    But into rape? Never in my times!!! (I left Romania in 1973). But what happened after I left?

    Just don't know.
    sf
    , @Romanian
    I can't find any ethnic data. We can't even tell how many Gypsies there are, since they avoid declaring as such at census, births, burials etc so how are you going to calculate an average rate? Most people, when asked, would probably say yes, but I can't really tell if it's real, personal bias, media bias. So, you get a gang rape story somewhere in the boondocks, and no mention of ethnicity, and then you see the guys and they're like Raj from The Big Bang Theory. Other times, the headlines scream Gypsy, especially if it's something abroad, since we're sensitive because of the Roma/Romanian thing. I can't really tell. It's obvious that there's nothing in their code of conduct that forbids rape. Maybe they don't rape each other that much, for fear of clan retribution, but it doesn't apply to Romanians, because of in-group morality. As for whether they rape more than Romanians, I don't know. I would say yes, not necessarily because of ethnicity, but because most of the Gypsy population is focused in the low socio-economic and rural strata where I think most rapes take place. So, if you divide the population into classes, they'd have different rape rates, but the predominance of Gypsies in a lower achievement, higher rape class means that they would have a higher rate of rape than the general Romanian population. It's just a hypothesis.
  80. @Bettega
    Notice how they found a way to get around this issue by saying that the problem with many migrants is that they come from "more conservative societies."

    You know, like all those rapists in Idaho or South Korea. It's all about their conservatism.

    Conservative in the sense that almost nobody has sex until marriage and therefore everyone is hyper sexually frustrated. In Korea and Idaho, sex is easily available to almost everyone.

    Bringing a lot of sexually frustrated Muslim men into sexually liberal Western countries is crazy. It’s like bringing a hungry man into a grocery store, then getting shocked when he starts stealing food.

  81. The Norwegians say the rapes are caused because Muslim societies don’t value women, whereas the Muslim immigrants probably say that the rapes are caused because Norway doesn’t value women.

    I also find amusing this presumption that “Muslim society” having impinged on the young immigrant is the cause of his bad behavior…when actually, the young immigrant is Muslim society. He’s the one doing the impinging.

  82. @Merema
    i guess muslim men are now rapists in the mind of westerners...wow, when a minority group is hated, both left and right jump on the rape bandwagon.

    what is happening to the western mind that they see rapists under every bed (or should i say on every bed)? where did this rape hysteria culture come from? men are promoting this hysteria too-as long as it is against Other Men.

    I am curious to see where all this will go in the decade..but still sad to see that old dignified trusting sudanese man in the ny times picture portrayed as a rapist.

    Ha ha! That’s funny, Merema. “Dignified Sudanese man.” You’re such a hoot!

  83. @Merema
    yes, white british christians never pimped or to use the new word "groomed" lower class vulnerable british teenage girls from alcoholic broken families in the history of the UK.

    be that as it may, islamic terrorism has understandable brought out the worst out of many decent people...but come on, the narrative of "they are raping our white women' is just lame and old.

    lets not be politically correct -the "muslim" men are ghetto trash, and the girls were from white trashy families -that is why the british authorities never cared all these years, just like no one cared about black pimps and their white runway teenager prostitutes in the 70s and 80s here in america. everyone looked the other way until -to their credit- feminists changed our perspective and now exploiting underage teenagers girls is a serious crime.

    the british girls were exploited and abused by predatory men -this is an old story that is not based on religion.

    In absolute numbers, Britain has more white groomers than Muslim groomers.
    In relative terms, Muslims appear about 10x as likely to groom.

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/may/14/child-grooming-sexual-abuse-race

    A 2011 study by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre looked at the 2,379 potential offenders caught grooming girls since 2008. Of 940 suspects whose race could be identified, 26% were Asian, 38% were white and 32% were recorded as unknown. Asians are roughly 7% of the population.

    A report for the children’s commissioner in 2012 found there were 1,514 perpetrators. Of these, 545 were white, 415 were Asian and 244 were black. The ethnicity of 21% of perpetrators was not recorded. Attempts to analyse the Asian figure further runs into problems. Just 35 of the 415 Asians are recorded as having Pakistani heritage and thus highly likely to be Muslim, and only five are recorded as being from a Bangladeshi background. The heritage of 366 of the Asian group is not stated in those figures.

    • Replies: @anon

    A 2011 study by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre looked at the 2,379 potential offenders caught grooming girls since 2008. Of 940 suspects whose race could be identified, 26% were Asian, 38% were white and 32% were recorded as unknown. Asians are roughly 7% of the population.
     
    Bear in mind 2011 is before the story broke into the mainstream media and the police only started arresting them after the story broke - before that they were turning a blind eye to the Muslim grooming for fear of the media.

    Since 2011 there have been hundreds of arrests and scores of trials so if they repeated that study with the full data it would 50%+.
  84. @Reg Cæsar

    …I say surprising because one hardly ever hears about ‘Norwegian American’ immigrants.
     
    You don't live in Minnesota.* Or Iowa.** Or either Dakota.***

    I think there are more Norwegian colleges in America than Swedish, Danish, and Finnish ones combined.

    *HQ of Sons of Norway
    **140+-year-old Norwegian-American museum in Decorah
    ***Annual Høstefest in Minot

    Skol to Norwegians everywhere, and have some lefse.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    It's lutefisk season!
  85. When they get to Norway, he added, “something happens in their heads.”

    Nope. Nothing “happens in their heads”. Something DOESN’T happen in their heads. The Magic Dirt doesn’t work. They don’t magically turn into dweeby emasculated Swedish males. They don’t become low-testosterone twinks.

    They remain the same randy, entitled, patriarchal males they have been for their entire lives.

    Really, what is so hard to understand? If she dresses like a whore, if she drinks like a whore, if she flashes her t!ts like a whore, then she’s a whore.

    • Replies: @anon

    Really, what is so hard to understand? If she dresses like a whore, if she drinks like a whore, if she flashes her t!ts like a whore, then she’s a whore.
     
    I hate the moral relativism of shows like "Dexter."

    Most of the time.
    , @Antonius Chigerius
    Too bad it wasn't your little 10-yr old daughter who got raped in a park in broad daylight. Hopefully someday it will be.
    , @Antonius Chigerius
    Too bad it wasn't your little 10-yr old daughter who got raped in a park in broad daylight. Hopefully someday it will be.
  86. @Merema
    i guess muslim men are now rapists in the mind of westerners...wow, when a minority group is hated, both left and right jump on the rape bandwagon.

    what is happening to the western mind that they see rapists under every bed (or should i say on every bed)? where did this rape hysteria culture come from? men are promoting this hysteria too-as long as it is against Other Men.

    I am curious to see where all this will go in the decade..but still sad to see that old dignified trusting sudanese man in the ny times picture portrayed as a rapist.

    but still sad to see that old dignified trusting sudanese man in the ny times picture portrayed as a rapist.

    Nice straw man.

    The issue at hand is the denial of the “difficulty” of mixing different cultures. The multi-culties have historically had a “what elephant” attitude towards the chaos being introduced into the West. Here we have an example where the elephant has grown too large to ignore they are floundering about for a new narrative.

  87. @Merema
    yes, white british christians never pimped or to use the new word "groomed" lower class vulnerable british teenage girls from alcoholic broken families in the history of the UK.

    be that as it may, islamic terrorism has understandable brought out the worst out of many decent people...but come on, the narrative of "they are raping our white women' is just lame and old.

    lets not be politically correct -the "muslim" men are ghetto trash, and the girls were from white trashy families -that is why the british authorities never cared all these years, just like no one cared about black pimps and their white runway teenager prostitutes in the 70s and 80s here in america. everyone looked the other way until -to their credit- feminists changed our perspective and now exploiting underage teenagers girls is a serious crime.

    the british girls were exploited and abused by predatory men -this is an old story that is not based on religion.

    You can say “Tu quoque” if you really want to, Merema.

  88. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Doubtful. The numbers don't really work out here.

    I think perhaps the issue might be Albanians and Bosniaks. Lots of them are badly behaved. Maybe they engage in lots of rape.

    You may be right, but what do you mean “the numbers don’t work out”? I’m assuming rapists make up a pretty small proportion of the immigrant population. Are there not enough European Muslim immigrants to Norway to cover all the rapes?

    I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m just wondering what makes you think the numbers don’t work out.

  89. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius

    Or is this just some extreme northwestern European guilt culture triple bankshot ploy that only works among people already marinated in guilt cultures?
     
    Works in the sense that it's gotten people like Nina Machibya hired by people like Thomas de Maizière* who want to appear to be doing something without actually having to do anything.

    And maybe a stray Enrique Marquez or John Scalzi gets caught in the crossfire.

    * - "Maiziere was born in Bonn to the later Inspector general of the Bundeswehr, Ulrich de Maizière. He graduated at the Aloisiuskolleg in Bonn and studied law and history at the Westfälische Wilhelms-Universität in Münster and the University of Freiburg, he passed his first state examination in law in 1979 and his second 1982, earning his Doctor of law (Dr. jur.) in 1986.[4]

    He belongs to a noble family originally from Maizières-lès-Metz"

    Yep, trustifarian. Fake-Left.

    The de Maizieres are descended from French Huguenot immigrants to Germany who fled France after Louis XIV revoked the Edict of Nantes. They were never high nobility in France and lost what lands they had when they fled. Many nobles are quite poor, and some noble families have been poor for a long time.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    The de Maizieres are descended from French Huguenot immigrants to Germany who fled France after Louis XIV revoked the Edict of Nantes. They were never high nobility in France and lost what lands they had when they fled. Many nobles are quite poor, and some noble families have been poor for a long time.
     
    Regrettably, there are now many Protestants, and would be post-Protestants, playing for the other team. And by the other team I mean those whose seek, and seek to preserve, illegitimate power.

    At the time of the original "Left-wing," that had become the ancien regime seated on the other, with that Edict playing no small part in that illegitimacy.
  90. @Cagey Beast
    OT:
    It seems like the recent French regional elections may not have brought in a wave of Front National regional governments but it did bring in a nationalist one in Corsica. The new regional legislature sat on Thursday and elected an indépendantiste named Jean-Guy Talamoni. He called the newly elected assembly "the first national government since the 18th century".

    "I will naturally be the President [ie, Speaker of the House] of all those elected to the Assembly", one can read in a [French] translation prepared for continental journalists "but I must say a few words on behalf of this national movement that has never accepted French rule over Corsica. In the name of all those who since 1768 [the Second Corsican Revolution] have never stopped fighting so that Corsica would become a nation, in the name of all of those who have never renounced the idea of independence" .
     

    http://www.lemonde.fr/elections-regionales-2015/article/2015/12/18/corse-la-demonstration-nationaliste_4834594_4640869.html

    Then they broke into the Corsican national anthem; which is a pretty good one:

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3ip1hk_diu-vi-salvi-regina-17-decembre-2015_news#tab_embed

    Apparently there's a pattern of Corsican nationalism reviving when the popular mood feels like France is being misgoverned and Corsica would be better off on their own.

    One of my former colleagues was an Englishman whose family moved to Canada when he was a child and he developed a serious case of Francophobia from being around French-Canadians and the establishment that caters to them. On one of his off the beaten path vacations he spent a week in Corsica and was delighted to find himself in a place where most of the people hated the French even more than he did. He told me many of the French language road signs you see off the beaten track are riddled with bullet holes.

  91. In one episode, Arne, the Norwegian, tells Hassan he plans to ply a young woman with alcoholic drinks “to soften her up.” People taking the course are asked questions such as: “How should Hassan react?” “What do you think Arne means when he says he wants to ‘soften her up?’ ” “Is it O.K. to ‘soften someone up’ with alcohol?”

    Steve,

    This reminds me of the excerpt you posted from the Evelyn Waugh novel in which the attempts to reduce African fertility via posters of low-child families living a “good life” backfire. If you’re a “good Muslim” and you see this, what’s the problem–the fact that Arne is going to rape a girl, or the fact that he is invovled with alcohol?

    • Replies: @G Pinfold
    Just so. The end of such a performance may be to reassure Ahmet that Arne is a worthless drunk who deserves to be put to the sword and relieved of his bitches.
  92. @Bill Jones
    White men have created the finest society for women ever seen.

    this is an inherent weakness of civilization, which makes civilization in the long term highly unlikely: the more men get selected for creating and maintaining civilization, the more they give women the freedom to select men for other reasons than creating and maintaining civilization. Thus civilization itself destroys the foundations of civilization. It is unstable.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    which makes civilization in the long term highly unlikely
     
    No, the (eventual) instability of each instance is the key to the longevity of the class.

    It's why organisms are built to reproduce, and sexually, rather than to maximize individual longevity.
    , @ATX Hipster
    When the State is your sugar daddy, you don't need to suffer a boring relationship with a boring guy with a boring white collar job. You can have a fling with that 50 Cent wannabe with no repercussions!
  93. @San Joaquin Sam
    At first I would feel anger reading of such Northern European vacuousness; now I am indifferent, they don't deserve the civilization they inherited. May their young women enjoy their rapes.

    actually they will, that´s the whole point of modern mass immigration

    • Replies: @anon
    http://conservativepost.com/sweden-shocked-again-after-woman-raped-to-death-by-somali-immigrant/
  94. @Svigor

    If rape is a conservative trait, does that make Detroit the most conservative city in America? Is Oakland the most conservative city in California?
     
    Well said, Jefferson.

    ***


    "Dark skinned men are the most attractive to women," said the dark-skinned rapist.
     
    FIFY.

    “If rape is a conservative trait, does that make Detroit the most conservative city in America? Is Oakland the most conservative city in California?” – They may well be.

  95. Occam’s Razor instead of Butterknife says that instead of Extreme Guilt cultures, which I haven’t seen much evidence of in Europe or here, the motivating factor is the HATE HATE HATE of White women for White beta males (90% of White men) who don’t know their place and get all uppity.

    Somewhat related, the FT this weekend had the “Lunch with the FT” series featuring Jeremy Clarkson. The interviewer stated that before the lunch he mentioned his appointment to otherwise sensible and calm female BBC producers and they went ballistic with rage. Spitting Cobra were the words he used IIRC. The interviewer found Clarkson merely a softer version of the person he appears on TV, funny, but really does wear the old jeans and shabby jackets he shows up on camera with; and bloke-ish. Which translates to a semi-beta male who is uppity and does not know his place.

    Rather than say, the 22,000 Jews in Sweden being responsible for Multiculturalism, Occam’s Razor suggests that is the half the Swedish population that is female and is fed up with beta male-ism among their male peers at work.

    Not mentioning Third World colonizers propensity for violence against women is merely a society-wide aspect of women making excuses and ignoring violence against them by their thug partners. It is the same female behavior, over and over again. No, of course its Haven Monaghan who is the bad guy, and not Tyrone the Basketball player or Hassan from Morocco. Haven is just the proxy for that nervous, nerdy nice guy who awkwardly asked a woman out for coffee despite having the original sin of being nervous, not famous, not handsome, and not extremely dominant. By contrast, both Tyrone and Hassan treat women like disposable objects and White women particularly can’t get enough of that dominance, since they are treated entirely too nicely by their supplicating male counterparts.

    This suggests that this excuse making by White women will go away very rapidly if White men just up their Game. Be more assertive, more dominant, treat women more cavalierly and do whatever they can to gain more status over their female peers.

    TL:DR — not the Jews but White women making excuses for dominant non-White men (who are also dumb as a box of rocks); the solution is for White men to Game Up and become more dominant.

  96. Hilarious. Here we have the cultural Marxists out in force.

    Hint: cultures differ over tolerance for social violence. North European cultures and their North American derivatives tolerate very little outside of inner city slums and prisons.

    Clan-based, low trust societies appear to have lots of social violence.

    It is obvious that the waves of invaders are steeped in cultural acceptance of social violence, and rape is but a subset.

  97. @Merema
    yes, white british christians never pimped or to use the new word "groomed" lower class vulnerable british teenage girls from alcoholic broken families in the history of the UK.

    be that as it may, islamic terrorism has understandable brought out the worst out of many decent people...but come on, the narrative of "they are raping our white women' is just lame and old.

    lets not be politically correct -the "muslim" men are ghetto trash, and the girls were from white trashy families -that is why the british authorities never cared all these years, just like no one cared about black pimps and their white runway teenager prostitutes in the 70s and 80s here in america. everyone looked the other way until -to their credit- feminists changed our perspective and now exploiting underage teenagers girls is a serious crime.

    the british girls were exploited and abused by predatory men -this is an old story that is not based on religion.

    My goodness! What awful people those white Christians are! Rapists! We need to save all those misguided Muslims who are flooding Europe and send them back home to live safe, chaste, unraped lives with their fellow Muslims!

  98. Regarding Merema, as a White man here are my objections to Muslims and why I HATE HATE HATE THE and want them all to go back to Muslim countries:

    1. Muslims aggressively Muslimize my society, and create the No-Fun League. Muslims forbid alcohol, pork, dogs, uncovered, unveiled women, dress in ugly, third world clothing designed to mark me as an outsider easily preyed upon, and in all ways aggressively colonize my First World Society with Third World trash and failure.

    2. Muslims bring nothing good with them — no math, no science, Clockboy Ahmed merely took apart a clock and pranced around with it pretending it was a bomb to get the Muslim lottery — a lawsuit. Tell me again what Muslims created in the 500 years that swept the globe, apart from IEDs and Suicide Bombers? No one goes to Muslim countries for anything but sucking up oil money — the places are Third World hellholes of misery, violence, and corruption. By contrast even a place like Denmark has nice places to see — the Tivoli Gardens, the Little Mermaid, etc.

    3. Muslims aside from rape, which they do in abundant and massive numbers compared to Whites, are surly, obnoxious, demanding, ugly, and violent. Muslim women are renowned for their ugliness, in both physical and spiritual dimensions. Muslim men are known for cruelty and brutality, not inventiveness or creation of beauty. Japanese men perpetrated horrors previously unknown in scale: the rape of Nanking and Manila, an orgy of brutality and murder and rape. They also create exquisite things of beauty, from handmade paper umbrellas to ceremonial tea sets and delicious food. There are Japanese film series from Godzilla to gentle comedies that appeal to people the world over, as well as detective novelists and the like. Even Korea has given the world K-Pop. Muslims can’t even do that, let alone create a Sony or a Samsung.

    In short, I find Muslims fairly unique among Humanity, having no good points whatsoever, and nothing but bad ones. I have no desire to rule among them, or have anything to do with them really. Now that the US has fracking capacity, I say let Muslims slaughter each other to their hearts content, and lets all kick them out — the US and the West will be better for it.

    Why would I want to pay for some old Sudanese man? He’s not my responsibility, let Sudan pay for him. The same with Somalis. I don’t like, respect, or have any interest in Muslims, other than sending them all away, far away, where they can create their own past-times of beheading, burning people alive, and the like.

  99. @MKP
    "White men have created the finest society for women ever seen."

    And white women obviously don't want it. And they're not going to have to suffer through the boring, stale white man's world much longer.

    Steve's readers know a lot about a lot of issues, but you guys are generally in the dark as to how under-30 white men view the whole thing. Nobody is willing, anymore, to put in the kind of effort and sacrifice that's required to maintain a woman-friendly safe, clean, orderly society. Not only to put in that kind of effort, but to put in that kind of effort in the face of white women spitting in your face for your trouble.

    It's time to give white women what they've been demanding for so long - break down the "patriarchy" and renounce the bad-old ways. Let them stay inside after dark because they can't walk down the street without getting dragged into an alley by the orcs they're demanding be imported into formerly clean, safe (but racist!) white societies.

    Ask us if we give a fuck.

    i think this is called cutting off your nose to spite your face. do you not have a white woman for a wife, a mother, sisters, etc?

    • Replies: @MKP
    "i think this is called cutting off your nose to spite your face. do you not have a white woman for a wife, a mother, sisters, etc?"

    On the contrary, I'm not cutting anything off to spite anyone. I'm simply giving white women what they say - loudly and repeatedly - they want.

    What would constitute NOT cutting off my nose to spite my face? Serious question. I'm not trying to be a smart ass. As was pointed out, white men have built the safest, smartest, best societies for women that the planet has ever seen.

    How do they respond? By trashing us as racist, sexist oppressors at every turn, by blaming us for every problem that exists, and by gleefully vowing to ruin everything that white men have worked to create. What would be an appropriate response to that? How SHOULD we react now that "diversity" and "the decline of the white male" - things that white women have been demanding for years now - have proven catastrophically dangerous for women?

    I'd like an answer to that, please. If you don't write back, I'll know you have no good answer and this conversation makes you uncomfortable. If you say "not all white women are like that," I'll know you're an idiot.
  100. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Every time one of these rapist mutts is freed from the 3 star hotels that Scandinavians call “Jail”, he informs his fellow scum of the plush conditions and excellent food (halal demanded and received of course)., and several more of them will rape and degrade Scandinavian women just to break up their welfare-recieving, non working day. Can there be any other explanation as to why rape is increasing exponentially in northern Europe? Besides the fact that the men refuse to protect their wives and daughters of course.

  101. @Anonymous
    The de Maizieres are descended from French Huguenot immigrants to Germany who fled France after Louis XIV revoked the Edict of Nantes. They were never high nobility in France and lost what lands they had when they fled. Many nobles are quite poor, and some noble families have been poor for a long time.

    The de Maizieres are descended from French Huguenot immigrants to Germany who fled France after Louis XIV revoked the Edict of Nantes. They were never high nobility in France and lost what lands they had when they fled. Many nobles are quite poor, and some noble families have been poor for a long time.

    Regrettably, there are now many Protestants, and would be post-Protestants, playing for the other team. And by the other team I mean those whose seek, and seek to preserve, illegitimate power.

    At the time of the original “Left-wing,” that had become the ancien regime seated on the other, with that Edict playing no small part in that illegitimacy.

  102. @Erik Sieven
    this is an inherent weakness of civilization, which makes civilization in the long term highly unlikely: the more men get selected for creating and maintaining civilization, the more they give women the freedom to select men for other reasons than creating and maintaining civilization. Thus civilization itself destroys the foundations of civilization. It is unstable.

    which makes civilization in the long term highly unlikely

    No, the (eventual) instability of each instance is the key to the longevity of the class.

    It’s why organisms are built to reproduce, and sexually, rather than to maximize individual longevity.

    • Replies: @Erik Sieven
    this makes sense. That would mean that civilizations have to die so that new civilizations can be born. So in the 21. century civilizations dies in a global demographic subsaharan African thunderstorm and in the year 3000, a new, global subsaharan African civilization might come, even better than its predecessors, but also doomed to fall after some centuries, so that the cycle can start again
  103. @Desiderius

    which makes civilization in the long term highly unlikely
     
    No, the (eventual) instability of each instance is the key to the longevity of the class.

    It's why organisms are built to reproduce, and sexually, rather than to maximize individual longevity.

    this makes sense. That would mean that civilizations have to die so that new civilizations can be born. So in the 21. century civilizations dies in a global demographic subsaharan African thunderstorm and in the year 3000, a new, global subsaharan African civilization might come, even better than its predecessors, but also doomed to fall after some centuries, so that the cycle can start again

  104. @JohnnyWalker123
    This has nothing to do with education or culture. This comes down to 2 traits.

    1. Sociopathy. Muslims are, on average, much more sociopathic than Northern Euro whites.
    2. Sexual frustration. Muslims are, on average, much more sexually frustrated than Northern Euro whites (due to sexual constraints with their own unmarried women).

    No amount of education or instruction will change the above traits. Perhaps assimilation might, but there's no evidence of Muslims assimilating to Euro cultures.

    In Muslim nations, rape is uncommong because male relatives keep tight control over their females. Also, because if you did rape a female from one family, their entire clan would visit violence on you and your clan.

    In Muslim nations, rape is uncommong because male relatives keep tight control over their females.

    Rape of a marriageable woman is uncommon for the reasons you mention – lack of access.

    Other kinds of rape are simply not counted because they are not considered important.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2739799/Why-millions-Pakistani-children-falling-prey-vicious-paedophiles.html

  105. @Anon
    Now, we know why the Germans failed.

    In order to deal with antisemitism, the Weimar government should have offered instructions on how not to be anti-Jewish by using non-German fictional models.

    "Look, that is Hassan and Chang. They are not very nice to Jews..."

    Research on social identity theory suggests that this is how people behave. They tend to adopt beliefs based on the beliefs of groups with which they identify and don’t identify.

  106. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    In absolute numbers, Britain has more white groomers than Muslim groomers.
    In relative terms, Muslims appear about 10x as likely to groom.

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/may/14/child-grooming-sexual-abuse-race

    A 2011 study by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre looked at the 2,379 potential offenders caught grooming girls since 2008. Of 940 suspects whose race could be identified, 26% were Asian, 38% were white and 32% were recorded as unknown. Asians are roughly 7% of the population.

    A report for the children's commissioner in 2012 found there were 1,514 perpetrators. Of these, 545 were white, 415 were Asian and 244 were black. The ethnicity of 21% of perpetrators was not recorded. Attempts to analyse the Asian figure further runs into problems. Just 35 of the 415 Asians are recorded as having Pakistani heritage and thus highly likely to be Muslim, and only five are recorded as being from a Bangladeshi background. The heritage of 366 of the Asian group is not stated in those figures.
     

    A 2011 study by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre looked at the 2,379 potential offenders caught grooming girls since 2008. Of 940 suspects whose race could be identified, 26% were Asian, 38% were white and 32% were recorded as unknown. Asians are roughly 7% of the population.

    Bear in mind 2011 is before the story broke into the mainstream media and the police only started arresting them after the story broke – before that they were turning a blind eye to the Muslim grooming for fear of the media.

    Since 2011 there have been hundreds of arrests and scores of trials so if they repeated that study with the full data it would 50%+.

  107. @Big Bill

    When they get to Norway, he added, “something happens in their heads.”
     
    Nope. Nothing "happens in their heads". Something DOESN'T happen in their heads. The Magic Dirt doesn't work. They don't magically turn into dweeby emasculated Swedish males. They don't become low-testosterone twinks.

    They remain the same randy, entitled, patriarchal males they have been for their entire lives.

    Really, what is so hard to understand? If she dresses like a whore, if she drinks like a whore, if she flashes her t!ts like a whore, then she's a whore.

    Really, what is so hard to understand? If she dresses like a whore, if she drinks like a whore, if she flashes her t!ts like a whore, then she’s a whore.

    I hate the moral relativism of shows like “Dexter.”

    Most of the time.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    Here in the civilized world, she still gets to tell you to get lost, however much she acts like a whore. If you force yourself on her, our society will be providing you room and board for the next several years someplace where the only women you'll see will be the guards.
  108. so if i had written a variation on “dark skinned men are the most attractive to women” or some other gibberish tripe that would have been ok, eh?

  109. Lot of joking here… Women and children are being raped. Their lives forever are destroyed.
    There is nothing funny or amusing about rape.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Nothing funny about lung cancer either, but when the victim refuses to take steps to ameliorate the the situation, be it by quitting smoking in my hypothetical or keeping the imported rapists out of the country, how badly am I supposed to feel about the victims?

    In our own fair land, we get TPTB going crazy over campus rape, which turns out to be mostly hypothetical, but we hear crickets on the heinous amount of REAL rape taking place in prison. But those particular victims are men, so no one cares.
  110. @Anonymous
    If anyone wasn't familiar. Both happened in Sydney:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_gang_rapes
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashfield_gang_rapes

    Bonus: Australian Muslim leader compares uncovered women to exposed meat (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/oct/26/australia.marktran)

    I like the “raw meat” quote by the Muslim leader. It was not denounced by any of his fellow Muslims, men or women. They still revert him as their religious leader.

    The Muslim religious leader is just saying what all good Muslims in Australia feel: gang-raping infidel whores is OK, or at least shouldn’t be punished as a crime.

    In short, raping infidel whores will be ignored. No good Muslim will snitch on another nice Muslim boy (or man). They may not go out, groom and rape infidel whores themselves, but they will happily be the Muslim “sea” among whom the rapists freely swim (to paraphrase Mao).

  111. @JohnnyWalker123
    Actually you'd be surprised how many Middle Eastern and South Asian women have white fever.

    Whites, male and female, are by far the worlds most fetishized race.

  112. @Anonymous
    As I understand it, Norway really didn't seriously 'get rich' until the discovery and development of oil and natural gas fields in the 1960s and 70s.
    From what I've read, at the turn of the last century, Norway was, in fact, one of the poorest nations in Europe in terms of income per head, poorer even than the southern and eastern European nations. Surprisingly, Norway sent more emigrants per capita to the USA than virtually any other European nation, I say surprising because one hardly ever hears about 'Norwegian American' immigrants.
    A cold, inhospitable, mountainous nation, before oil, Norway relied on fish, timber and shipping to support its sparse population. Hydro electricity was developed later.

    I say all this because until quite recently it was literally unthinkable that Norway, which was NEVER a colonial power, would ever host a substantial immigrant population. Not even Europeans let alone tropical Africans and Asians.

    ” Norway, which was NEVER a colonial power”
    Mainly on account of it’s being “Sweden, det. par.” until just about WWI, after the Danes shucked it off onto them in 1814.
    “Denmark had purposely made Copenhagen the capital of the union in order to strengthen Denmark, and weaken Norway, throughout the union as upon its dissolution, making Denmark able to rob Norway of its medieval colonies in 1814.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_colonial_empire
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_overseas_colonies
    What a Cnut.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Crap.

    These were DANISH colonies and never Norwegian.
    , @Anonymous
    Yes.

    This is about as 'intelligent' is calling Eire a 'former colonial power' because Eire was in 'political union' with England for a few hundred years, and that the resultant nation, the United Kingdom was a colonial power, if not the *the* colonial power.

    What a tunc!

  113. @Bill Jones
    White men have created the finest society for women ever seen.

    And white women are oh-so-grateful.

  114. @JohnnyWalker123
    Are the gypsies into rape?

    Gypsies are into begging and minor theft.

    But into rape? Never in my times!!! (I left Romania in 1973). But what happened after I left?

    Just don’t know.
    sf

    • Replies: @Romanian
    I think Communist Romania was a very law and order place with regards to violent and sexual crime, and the Roma were kept on a very tight leash, also in order to moderate their nomadic lifestyles and bring them closer to the societal norm (which partially succeeded, in that they don't move around much anymore, unless it's through Europe). They've since branched out into prostitution, loan sharking, smuggling goods and people (refugees too) and clans openly settle grievances with sword fights. Every time the news reports that some gangster had a collection of katanas at home, you can be sure he's Roma. There are definitely rapes, though, as in my other comment, I'm not sure about their average propensity for it. However I can be sure that the state does not threaten or practice community repression/punishment, if it ever did, which I see small town Communist authorities doing with problematic groups. Neither is it acceptable for a Romanian community to go full torch mob on them. So, if this ever acted as a deterrent to individual crimes, it's gone now.
  115. @San Joaquin Sam
    At first I would feel anger reading of such Northern European vacuousness; now I am indifferent, they don't deserve the civilization they inherited. May their young women enjoy their rapes.

    Lutefisk has dulled their noses to the stench of bullshit.

  116. @Anonymous
    As I understand it, Norway really didn't seriously 'get rich' until the discovery and development of oil and natural gas fields in the 1960s and 70s.
    From what I've read, at the turn of the last century, Norway was, in fact, one of the poorest nations in Europe in terms of income per head, poorer even than the southern and eastern European nations. Surprisingly, Norway sent more emigrants per capita to the USA than virtually any other European nation, I say surprising because one hardly ever hears about 'Norwegian American' immigrants.
    A cold, inhospitable, mountainous nation, before oil, Norway relied on fish, timber and shipping to support its sparse population. Hydro electricity was developed later.

    I say all this because until quite recently it was literally unthinkable that Norway, which was NEVER a colonial power, would ever host a substantial immigrant population. Not even Europeans let alone tropical Africans and Asians.

    Reg Cæsar is right – there are *a lot* of “Norwegian-Americans” in the Upper Midwest. More than a few Swedish- and Finnish-Americans in those parts, as well.

    But you could live for years in, say, New Jersey, without seeing any Nordic types.

    • Replies: @IBC
    I don't know how big it was, but there actually used to be a "Little Norway" in Brooklyn, New York. Apparently, its population began to shrink after the 1920s and more or less disappeared after the switch to container ships in the 1960s.

    http://patch.com/new-york/carrollgardens/a-look-into-south-brooklyns-norwegian-past

    When I visited the NYPD museum, they had several old mug shots on display where the listed nationality was "Norwegian."

    Big Apple Norwegians were also mostly responsible for starting New Bedford, MA's important scallop fishery. One of the dock complexes there is actually named in honor of a successful Norwegian fisherman who helped lots of other fishermen with good business advice and by extending them credit.

  117. @Anonymous
    Where is anyone running a narrative that those are the majority? A lot of papers might exaggarate the proportion of women and children, but I don't think you'll find any halfway credible-looking that straight cites them as a majority.

    I don’t think you’ll find any halfway credible-looking that straight cites them as a majority.

    “Apparently they are scared of widows and orphans coming into the United States of America,” Obama said of Republicans. “At first, they were too scared of the press being too tough on them in the debates. Now they are scared of three year old orphans. That doesn’t seem so tough to me.”

  118. @Anonymous
    As I understand it, Norway really didn't seriously 'get rich' until the discovery and development of oil and natural gas fields in the 1960s and 70s.
    From what I've read, at the turn of the last century, Norway was, in fact, one of the poorest nations in Europe in terms of income per head, poorer even than the southern and eastern European nations. Surprisingly, Norway sent more emigrants per capita to the USA than virtually any other European nation, I say surprising because one hardly ever hears about 'Norwegian American' immigrants.
    A cold, inhospitable, mountainous nation, before oil, Norway relied on fish, timber and shipping to support its sparse population. Hydro electricity was developed later.

    I say all this because until quite recently it was literally unthinkable that Norway, which was NEVER a colonial power, would ever host a substantial immigrant population. Not even Europeans let alone tropical Africans and Asians.

    I say surprising because one hardly ever hears about ‘Norwegian American’ immigrants.

    Garrison Keillor’s Prairie Home Companion mentions them almost every week.

    Mad Men‘s Peggy Olson was prominently Norwegian American.

    • Replies: @IBC
    Well, that's one detail Matthew Weiner got wrong then. Ols(o)n would more likely be Swedish --Ols(e)n, Norwegian or Danish. Steve got it right with Haven Monahansen.
  119. @Chrisnonymous

    In one episode, Arne, the Norwegian, tells Hassan he plans to ply a young woman with alcoholic drinks “to soften her up.” People taking the course are asked questions such as: “How should Hassan react?” “What do you think Arne means when he says he wants to ‘soften her up?’ ” “Is it O.K. to ‘soften someone up’ with alcohol?”
     
    Steve,

    This reminds me of the excerpt you posted from the Evelyn Waugh novel in which the attempts to reduce African fertility via posters of low-child families living a "good life" backfire. If you're a "good Muslim" and you see this, what's the problem--the fact that Arne is going to rape a girl, or the fact that he is invovled with alcohol?

    Just so. The end of such a performance may be to reassure Ahmet that Arne is a worthless drunk who deserves to be put to the sword and relieved of his bitches.

  120. 17/20 = 85% immigrant. Seems pretty clear to me, but what do I know about arithmetic?

    Ah, but these are merely statistics. Correlation does not imply causation. Has anyone found the rape gene?

  121. “The goal is that participants will “at least know the difference between right and wrong,”

    i got some bad news for you, if you don’t understand that by the time you are 10-11 you NEVER will.

  122. Many refugees “come from cultures that are not gender equal and where women are the property of men,” Mr. Isdal said. “We have to help them adapt to their new culture.”

    facepalm. i literally laughed out loud at that and then instantly felt bad cause this is no laughing matter…..but i can’t continue reading…….Europe better start to think about how things ARE not how they hope things will be

    ‘hope’ is not a plan.

    p.s. these people are NOT COMING TO YOUR COUNTRY TO BE EUROPEANS!!!!

  123. @27 year old
    i think this is called cutting off your nose to spite your face. do you not have a white woman for a wife, a mother, sisters, etc?

    “i think this is called cutting off your nose to spite your face. do you not have a white woman for a wife, a mother, sisters, etc?”

    On the contrary, I’m not cutting anything off to spite anyone. I’m simply giving white women what they say – loudly and repeatedly – they want.

    What would constitute NOT cutting off my nose to spite my face? Serious question. I’m not trying to be a smart ass. As was pointed out, white men have built the safest, smartest, best societies for women that the planet has ever seen.

    How do they respond? By trashing us as racist, sexist oppressors at every turn, by blaming us for every problem that exists, and by gleefully vowing to ruin everything that white men have worked to create. What would be an appropriate response to that? How SHOULD we react now that “diversity” and “the decline of the white male” – things that white women have been demanding for years now – have proven catastrophically dangerous for women?

    I’d like an answer to that, please. If you don’t write back, I’ll know you have no good answer and this conversation makes you uncomfortable. If you say “not all white women are like that,” I’ll know you’re an idiot.

  124. @JohnnyWalker123
    Yes, Whiskey.

    “Yes, Whiskey.”

    It obviously makes you feel comfortable to think that I’m Whiskey writing in disguise. That’s an easy solution – there’s just one angry, ranting guy who is thinking twice about what his getting in return for sacrificing and putting himself at risk to protect white women. There’s this one wacky guy on the internet who thinks – ha ha, get this – that white women are ungrateful, and aren’t proving themselves worthy of the things that white men spend their lives trying to do for them.

    It’s easier to say “Yes, Whiskey” than to consider the possibility that many, many young white men – possibly approaching a majority at this point – are noticing precisely the same things that Whiskey is noticing. Boy, that would certainly be a disquieting line of thought, would it not?

    • Replies: @anon

    It’s easier to say “Yes, Whiskey” than to consider the possibility that many, many young white men – possibly approaching a majority at this point – are noticing precisely the same things that Whiskey is noticing.
     
    The FN got 35% of the 18-24 age vote - which is about half the white youth vote.

    So either it was all female - in which case you'd be 100% wrong in one way or all male - in which case you'd be 100% wrong in another way - or a mixture in which case you'd be mostly wrong both ways at once.


    Boy, that would certainly be a disquieting line of thought, would it not?
     
    If it wasn't nonsense, yes.

    .

    I don't doubt there's a lot of good reasons for the anti-feminist thing but as we enter the end game all of that is going to become irrelevant one way or the other.
    , @Stan D Mute

    consider the possibility that many, many young white men – possibly approaching a majority at this point – are noticing precisely the same things that Whiskey is noticing. Boy, that would certainly be a disquieting line of thought, would it not?
     
    But here's the flaw in your reasoning: these guys WILL get a girlfriend (eventually most will marry) and they WILL act to defend her. That will inevitably lead to defending her mother, friends, etc. And if/when you have a kid, a daughter, then the game is completely up.

    Face it, we are hard-wired genetically to defend women (unless we are sociopathic or psychopathic).
  125. Seems pretty clear to me, but what do I know about arithmetic?

    Arithmetic, like the moon, is a harsh mistress.

  126. @Merema
    i guess muslim men are now rapists in the mind of westerners...wow, when a minority group is hated, both left and right jump on the rape bandwagon.

    what is happening to the western mind that they see rapists under every bed (or should i say on every bed)? where did this rape hysteria culture come from? men are promoting this hysteria too-as long as it is against Other Men.

    I am curious to see where all this will go in the decade..but still sad to see that old dignified trusting sudanese man in the ny times picture portrayed as a rapist.

    If your problem is that you are in a hole, stop digging. Your problem is that you are in a hole. You really should stop digging.

  127. @Erik Sieven
    this is an inherent weakness of civilization, which makes civilization in the long term highly unlikely: the more men get selected for creating and maintaining civilization, the more they give women the freedom to select men for other reasons than creating and maintaining civilization. Thus civilization itself destroys the foundations of civilization. It is unstable.

    When the State is your sugar daddy, you don’t need to suffer a boring relationship with a boring guy with a boring white collar job. You can have a fling with that 50 Cent wannabe with no repercussions!

  128. Of the 3 rapists that were not immigrants, how many were “Norwegians” in the same sense that Syed Farook was an “American?”

    A government with honest intentions would keep honest statistics.

  129. @JohnnyWalker123
    Are the gypsies into rape?

    I can’t find any ethnic data. We can’t even tell how many Gypsies there are, since they avoid declaring as such at census, births, burials etc so how are you going to calculate an average rate? Most people, when asked, would probably say yes, but I can’t really tell if it’s real, personal bias, media bias. So, you get a gang rape story somewhere in the boondocks, and no mention of ethnicity, and then you see the guys and they’re like Raj from The Big Bang Theory. Other times, the headlines scream Gypsy, especially if it’s something abroad, since we’re sensitive because of the Roma/Romanian thing. I can’t really tell. It’s obvious that there’s nothing in their code of conduct that forbids rape. Maybe they don’t rape each other that much, for fear of clan retribution, but it doesn’t apply to Romanians, because of in-group morality. As for whether they rape more than Romanians, I don’t know. I would say yes, not necessarily because of ethnicity, but because most of the Gypsy population is focused in the low socio-economic and rural strata where I think most rapes take place. So, if you divide the population into classes, they’d have different rape rates, but the predominance of Gypsies in a lower achievement, higher rape class means that they would have a higher rate of rape than the general Romanian population. It’s just a hypothesis.

  130. @Old Jew
    Gypsies are into begging and minor theft.

    But into rape? Never in my times!!! (I left Romania in 1973). But what happened after I left?

    Just don't know.
    sf

    I think Communist Romania was a very law and order place with regards to violent and sexual crime, and the Roma were kept on a very tight leash, also in order to moderate their nomadic lifestyles and bring them closer to the societal norm (which partially succeeded, in that they don’t move around much anymore, unless it’s through Europe). They’ve since branched out into prostitution, loan sharking, smuggling goods and people (refugees too) and clans openly settle grievances with sword fights. Every time the news reports that some gangster had a collection of katanas at home, you can be sure he’s Roma. There are definitely rapes, though, as in my other comment, I’m not sure about their average propensity for it. However I can be sure that the state does not threaten or practice community repression/punishment, if it ever did, which I see small town Communist authorities doing with problematic groups. Neither is it acceptable for a Romanian community to go full torch mob on them. So, if this ever acted as a deterrent to individual crimes, it’s gone now.

  131. @Expletive Deleted
    " Norway, which was NEVER a colonial power"
    Mainly on account of it's being "Sweden, det. par." until just about WWI, after the Danes shucked it off onto them in 1814.
    "Denmark had purposely made Copenhagen the capital of the union in order to strengthen Denmark, and weaken Norway, throughout the union as upon its dissolution, making Denmark able to rob Norway of its medieval colonies in 1814."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_colonial_empire
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_overseas_colonies
    What a Cnut.

    Crap.

    These were DANISH colonies and never Norwegian.

    • Replies: @IBC
    True, but Norwegians were still involved and that gives them a right to claim some of the historical guilt:

    http://www.newsinenglish.no/2014/09/28/slave-trading-past-still-haunts-norway/

    Come on, we're talking about modern Norway here! In the spirit of the season, let them have what they want. It's a small country. There'll still be plenty of guilt left to go 'round!

    *At various times in the medieval period, Norway itself controlled Iceland, Greenland, the Faroe Islands, the Isle of Man, parts of Scotland and various other territories.

  132. @Expletive Deleted
    " Norway, which was NEVER a colonial power"
    Mainly on account of it's being "Sweden, det. par." until just about WWI, after the Danes shucked it off onto them in 1814.
    "Denmark had purposely made Copenhagen the capital of the union in order to strengthen Denmark, and weaken Norway, throughout the union as upon its dissolution, making Denmark able to rob Norway of its medieval colonies in 1814."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_colonial_empire
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_overseas_colonies
    What a Cnut.

    Yes.

    This is about as ‘intelligent’ is calling Eire a ‘former colonial power’ because Eire was in ‘political union’ with England for a few hundred years, and that the resultant nation, the United Kingdom was a colonial power, if not the *the* colonial power.

    What a tunc!

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    Aha. I see how it works now. So if Wee Nicola gets Scotland out of the Union, it's only the English and the Welsh that carry the can for the sins of Empire?
    Supposing Yorkshire goes all UDI, are they off the hook as well? Could we carry on seceding fractally, until its only an upmarket address in Westminster, SW1A 1AA, that takes the flak?
    The Duke of Wellington was technically "Irish".
  133. @Ivy
    Berserkers were prominent in Viking lore. Have modern Scandinavians been so, ahem, watered down, that any and all primordial stirrings have been extinguished? It is discouraging that they won't defend their patrimony, although that word has probably been forbidden.

    “Have modern Scandinavians been so, ahem, watered down, that any and all primordial stirrings have been extinguished?”

    When was the last time you tracked a wild board through the Appalachian for three days, and had to finish it off with your trusty bowie knife after your sidearm failed, Ole Hickory?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    'A wild board'

    Hmmm..... Do you mean a large advertising hoarding that was blown loose by a sudden gust of wind and is now playing havoc in the immediate vicinity by threatening - not in the conscious sense, of course - to scythe everyone's heads off?

    Or possibly it's an abbrievation for 'boardroom', the traditional place where company or editorial policy is 'thrashed out' to use the customary jargon, under the guidance of a chairman or managing editor. 'A wild board' may very well the editorial policy of The Economist magazine and its latest serving of rankest, stinkiest, steaming, pile of 'press droppings'.
    , @Ivy
    I took out a lot of wild boards with my sandvik, and resorted to a chainsaw for the larger ones.
  134. @Reg Cæsar

    …I say surprising because one hardly ever hears about ‘Norwegian American’ immigrants.
     
    You don't live in Minnesota.* Or Iowa.** Or either Dakota.***

    I think there are more Norwegian colleges in America than Swedish, Danish, and Finnish ones combined.

    *HQ of Sons of Norway
    **140+-year-old Norwegian-American museum in Decorah
    ***Annual Høstefest in Minot

    Or Washington State (Poulsbo and Ballard).

  135. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @MKP
    "Yes, Whiskey."

    It obviously makes you feel comfortable to think that I'm Whiskey writing in disguise. That's an easy solution - there's just one angry, ranting guy who is thinking twice about what his getting in return for sacrificing and putting himself at risk to protect white women. There's this one wacky guy on the internet who thinks - ha ha, get this - that white women are ungrateful, and aren't proving themselves worthy of the things that white men spend their lives trying to do for them.

    It's easier to say "Yes, Whiskey" than to consider the possibility that many, many young white men - possibly approaching a majority at this point - are noticing precisely the same things that Whiskey is noticing. Boy, that would certainly be a disquieting line of thought, would it not?

    It’s easier to say “Yes, Whiskey” than to consider the possibility that many, many young white men – possibly approaching a majority at this point – are noticing precisely the same things that Whiskey is noticing.

    The FN got 35% of the 18-24 age vote – which is about half the white youth vote.

    So either it was all female – in which case you’d be 100% wrong in one way or all male – in which case you’d be 100% wrong in another way – or a mixture in which case you’d be mostly wrong both ways at once.

    Boy, that would certainly be a disquieting line of thought, would it not?

    If it wasn’t nonsense, yes.

    .

    I don’t doubt there’s a lot of good reasons for the anti-feminist thing but as we enter the end game all of that is going to become irrelevant one way or the other.

    • Replies: @MKP
    "The FN got 35% of the 18-24 age vote – which is about half the white youth vote."

    What does that have to do with anything? Voting has little to nothing to do with the willingness of white men to say "I'm going to do anything necessary to make sure my world is safe for women." But to the extent that it was relevant, voting for the FN would be the act of those who are IN FAVOR of risking ostracization to make sure white women are safe. The 65 pct who vote otherwise would be the ones saying "yeah, who cares?"

    "If it wasn’t nonsense, yes."

    Alright. I don't claim to be any infallible expert. I just know a lot of young men and I listen to what they say.

    But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe there are, in fact, millions of white men looking to sacrifice anything to protect white women. Maybe they're looking at the nearest white woman right now, saying "ahhh, look at that specimen of beauty, 32 years old with HPV and twenty different guys' semen dribbling out of her, screeching at me about how evil I am. I'm ready to go to war to save her!"

    Maybe.

    "I don’t doubt there’s a lot of good reasons for the anti-feminist thing but as we enter the end game all of that is going to become irrelevant one way or the other."

    Yes, we get that a lot. "You know, I actually agree that feminism goes too far. I agree that you have a point. But ... it doesn't change our demands on you. We're going to have to ask you to continue to act the same way you grandfather did."

    Let me ask you a question: should women be expected to act a certain way in exchange for white men's chivalrous, protective behavior?
  136. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth
    "Have modern Scandinavians been so, ahem, watered down, that any and all primordial stirrings have been extinguished?"

    When was the last time you tracked a wild board through the Appalachian for three days, and had to finish it off with your trusty bowie knife after your sidearm failed, Ole Hickory?

    ‘A wild board’

    Hmmm….. Do you mean a large advertising hoarding that was blown loose by a sudden gust of wind and is now playing havoc in the immediate vicinity by threatening – not in the conscious sense, of course – to scythe everyone’s heads off?

    Or possibly it’s an abbrievation for ‘boardroom’, the traditional place where company or editorial policy is ‘thrashed out’ to use the customary jargon, under the guidance of a chairman or managing editor. ‘A wild board’ may very well the editorial policy of The Economist magazine and its latest serving of rankest, stinkiest, steaming, pile of ‘press droppings’.

  137. @Mark Caplan
    Muslim on white rape may be less an indication of greenhorniness and cultural obtuseness and more willful payback against the detested Crusader.

    The cultural explanation seems pretty plausible to me. Western women dress like prostitutes did back home, but aren’t for sale and will call the cops if you treat them like you’d treat a prostitute back home. Western women may go out on a date with you, come up to your room, and kiss you, but then decide they’re done, and you have to accept their “no” or you go to jail–probably a completely foreign notion to a Somali.

    I have no idea how much this kind of training will help, but if you’re letting a bunch of immigrants in from very backwards countries with no women’s rights, it’s probably a good idea to let the immigrants know just how wildly different the situation is than what they’re used to.

  138. @anon

    Really, what is so hard to understand? If she dresses like a whore, if she drinks like a whore, if she flashes her t!ts like a whore, then she’s a whore.
     
    I hate the moral relativism of shows like "Dexter."

    Most of the time.

    Here in the civilized world, she still gets to tell you to get lost, however much she acts like a whore. If you force yourself on her, our society will be providing you room and board for the next several years someplace where the only women you’ll see will be the guards.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Even the idea of having female guards in prison, bossing male inmates around, is deeply offensive to Muslims.
    , @anon

    Here in the civilized world, she still gets to tell you to get lost, however much she acts like a whore.
     
    You misunderstood my point by 180 degrees.

    The cultural explanation seems pretty plausible to me. Western women dress like prostitutes did back home, but aren’t for sale and will call the cops if you treat them like you’d treat a prostitute back home.
     
    1) Not wearing a burka isn't dressing like a prostitute and that's all it takes to be spat on and threatened with rape when walking through a muslim enclave.

    2) A prostitute takes money. Do these men offer money?
  139. @anon

    It’s easier to say “Yes, Whiskey” than to consider the possibility that many, many young white men – possibly approaching a majority at this point – are noticing precisely the same things that Whiskey is noticing.
     
    The FN got 35% of the 18-24 age vote - which is about half the white youth vote.

    So either it was all female - in which case you'd be 100% wrong in one way or all male - in which case you'd be 100% wrong in another way - or a mixture in which case you'd be mostly wrong both ways at once.


    Boy, that would certainly be a disquieting line of thought, would it not?
     
    If it wasn't nonsense, yes.

    .

    I don't doubt there's a lot of good reasons for the anti-feminist thing but as we enter the end game all of that is going to become irrelevant one way or the other.

    “The FN got 35% of the 18-24 age vote – which is about half the white youth vote.”

    What does that have to do with anything? Voting has little to nothing to do with the willingness of white men to say “I’m going to do anything necessary to make sure my world is safe for women.” But to the extent that it was relevant, voting for the FN would be the act of those who are IN FAVOR of risking ostracization to make sure white women are safe. The 65 pct who vote otherwise would be the ones saying “yeah, who cares?”

    “If it wasn’t nonsense, yes.”

    Alright. I don’t claim to be any infallible expert. I just know a lot of young men and I listen to what they say.

    But maybe I’m wrong. Maybe there are, in fact, millions of white men looking to sacrifice anything to protect white women. Maybe they’re looking at the nearest white woman right now, saying “ahhh, look at that specimen of beauty, 32 years old with HPV and twenty different guys’ semen dribbling out of her, screeching at me about how evil I am. I’m ready to go to war to save her!”

    Maybe.

    “I don’t doubt there’s a lot of good reasons for the anti-feminist thing but as we enter the end game all of that is going to become irrelevant one way or the other.”

    Yes, we get that a lot. “You know, I actually agree that feminism goes too far. I agree that you have a point. But … it doesn’t change our demands on you. We’re going to have to ask you to continue to act the same way you grandfather did.”

    Let me ask you a question: should women be expected to act a certain way in exchange for white men’s chivalrous, protective behavior?

    • Replies: @anon

    it doesn’t change our demands on you
     
    No demands. I wouldn't want to share a trench with you.
    , @NOTA
    White women (or women in general) aren't some monolithic group, and it makes no sense to treat all as responsible for the actions or rhetoric of some of them. That's the same error made by the reparations for slavery crowd and the white privilege crowd.

    There are white women who sleep around, have a bunch of bastards, and stuck the taxpayers (male and female) with the bill. That sucks, but it makes no more sense to blame my wife or sister for that than to blame me for it. Nor would abandoning having a decent society make sense as a response.

    Why should we white men want to keep a society going where women get treated well? Because of our own wives, sisters, mothers, daughters, cousins, friends. Because we like living in a society where everyone can live decent lives.

    I suspect you have had some very bad experiences with women that have left you bitter. That sucks, and I hope things get better. Nursing your grievances probably won't help that to happen, though.
  140. Rape has to do with power not sex. The article says that 17 of 20 men convicted of rape were not norweigen yet it doesn’t mention who the victims are or the accusation rate vs convictions. My guess is that if there is a refugee rape crisis the crimes are being perpetrated against refugees not by them!

    • Replies: @anon
    It's nice to see that winter break has given you enough time off from your Women's Studies classes to post here.

    One question. Where in England were there Rotherham-style rape gangs of white English men against Pakistani girls? Outside of those Scandinavian "The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo" novels, I mean.

    Surely whites have more "power" than Pakistanis, right?

    , @ben tillman

    Rape has to do with power not sex.
     
    That's idiotic. Even you don't believe it.
  141. @NOTA
    Here in the civilized world, she still gets to tell you to get lost, however much she acts like a whore. If you force yourself on her, our society will be providing you room and board for the next several years someplace where the only women you'll see will be the guards.

    Even the idea of having female guards in prison, bossing male inmates around, is deeply offensive to Muslims.

    • Replies: @anon
    If there was ever a good reason to have female guards at a male prison, that would be it.
  142. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @NOTA
    Here in the civilized world, she still gets to tell you to get lost, however much she acts like a whore. If you force yourself on her, our society will be providing you room and board for the next several years someplace where the only women you'll see will be the guards.

    Here in the civilized world, she still gets to tell you to get lost, however much she acts like a whore.

    You misunderstood my point by 180 degrees.

    The cultural explanation seems pretty plausible to me. Western women dress like prostitutes did back home, but aren’t for sale and will call the cops if you treat them like you’d treat a prostitute back home.

    1) Not wearing a burka isn’t dressing like a prostitute and that’s all it takes to be spat on and threatened with rape when walking through a muslim enclave.

    2) A prostitute takes money. Do these men offer money?

  143. anon • Disclaimer says:

    addendum

    There’s a specific point here. Obviously the behavior of the tens of thousands of women and children being raped as a result of the open borders policy will vary along a very wide spectrum.

    However it seems to me the people who exclusively focus on one end of that spectrum are trying to minimize the problem as part of maintaining the open borders spin that caused it all which would make them ****** ****.

    Maybe that’s wrong and they’re just regular ****.

  144. @Cathy
    Lot of joking here... Women and children are being raped. Their lives forever are destroyed.
    There is nothing funny or amusing about rape.

    Nothing funny about lung cancer either, but when the victim refuses to take steps to ameliorate the the situation, be it by quitting smoking in my hypothetical or keeping the imported rapists out of the country, how badly am I supposed to feel about the victims?

    In our own fair land, we get TPTB going crazy over campus rape, which turns out to be mostly hypothetical, but we hear crickets on the heinous amount of REAL rape taking place in prison. But those particular victims are men, so no one cares.

    • Replies: @anon

    but when the victim refuses to take steps to ameliorate the situation, be it by quitting smoking in my hypothetical or keeping the imported rapists out of the country, how badly am I supposed to feel about the victims?
     
    If you make an exception from your "they deserve it" rule for those too young to vote then it doesn't matter and if you don't then you don't matter.

    .

    @Cathy

    The Janjaweed in Sudan rape the black women to produce half-arab kids and when the daughters grow up they'll do the same to produce 3/4 |Arab kids etc.

    In the civilized parts of the world rape might have become about power but everywhere else it's about conquest and genetic reproduction.
  145. @Ivy
    Skol to Norwegians everywhere, and have some lefse.

    It’s lutefisk season!

    • Replies: @Ivy
    Lutefisk is a taste I could never acquire. Lefse is enjoyable on gray days and long evenings, with some brown sugar, lingonberry jam or pretty much anything sweet and/or buttery.
  146. The Norwegian differentiates between date rape and forcible rape. All are included in the criminal statistics of RAPE but in the case of the latter [forcible] at least in Oslo in one year 100 % of the criminal rapes were done by outlanders, the foreign immigrant, probably predominantly Muslim. So is allegation.

  147. @MKP
    "The FN got 35% of the 18-24 age vote – which is about half the white youth vote."

    What does that have to do with anything? Voting has little to nothing to do with the willingness of white men to say "I'm going to do anything necessary to make sure my world is safe for women." But to the extent that it was relevant, voting for the FN would be the act of those who are IN FAVOR of risking ostracization to make sure white women are safe. The 65 pct who vote otherwise would be the ones saying "yeah, who cares?"

    "If it wasn’t nonsense, yes."

    Alright. I don't claim to be any infallible expert. I just know a lot of young men and I listen to what they say.

    But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe there are, in fact, millions of white men looking to sacrifice anything to protect white women. Maybe they're looking at the nearest white woman right now, saying "ahhh, look at that specimen of beauty, 32 years old with HPV and twenty different guys' semen dribbling out of her, screeching at me about how evil I am. I'm ready to go to war to save her!"

    Maybe.

    "I don’t doubt there’s a lot of good reasons for the anti-feminist thing but as we enter the end game all of that is going to become irrelevant one way or the other."

    Yes, we get that a lot. "You know, I actually agree that feminism goes too far. I agree that you have a point. But ... it doesn't change our demands on you. We're going to have to ask you to continue to act the same way you grandfather did."

    Let me ask you a question: should women be expected to act a certain way in exchange for white men's chivalrous, protective behavior?

    it doesn’t change our demands on you

    No demands. I wouldn’t want to share a trench with you.

    • Replies: @MKP
    "No demands. I wouldn’t want to share a trench with you."

    Alright, fair enough. Best of luck to you and yours.
  148. “just like no one cared about black pimps and their white runway teenager prostitutes in the 70s and 80s here in America. everyone looked the other way”

    The Algiers Motel incident from the Detroit riots of 1967. Two young black men in the company of two white girls the young black men shot to death by the cops.

    John Hersey wrote a book about Algiers.

    It is always described as three young black men [two killed] and some girls were just sitting around playing cards and drinking.

    Actually two white teen prostitutes and their negro pimps waiting for Johns to show up.

    That fact failed to attract the attention of the author.

  149. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Brutusale
    Nothing funny about lung cancer either, but when the victim refuses to take steps to ameliorate the the situation, be it by quitting smoking in my hypothetical or keeping the imported rapists out of the country, how badly am I supposed to feel about the victims?

    In our own fair land, we get TPTB going crazy over campus rape, which turns out to be mostly hypothetical, but we hear crickets on the heinous amount of REAL rape taking place in prison. But those particular victims are men, so no one cares.

    but when the victim refuses to take steps to ameliorate the situation, be it by quitting smoking in my hypothetical or keeping the imported rapists out of the country, how badly am I supposed to feel about the victims?

    If you make an exception from your “they deserve it” rule for those too young to vote then it doesn’t matter and if you don’t then you don’t matter.

    .

    The Janjaweed in Sudan rape the black women to produce half-arab kids and when the daughters grow up they’ll do the same to produce 3/4 |Arab kids etc.

    In the civilized parts of the world rape might have become about power but everywhere else it’s about conquest and genetic reproduction.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Your addendum is obvious and I concur. The snapshot in my mind is not a child but a screeching feminist harpy.
  150. @Percy Gryce

    I say surprising because one hardly ever hears about ‘Norwegian American’ immigrants.
     
    Garrison Keillor's Prairie Home Companion mentions them almost every week.

    Mad Men's Peggy Olson was prominently Norwegian American.

    Well, that’s one detail Matthew Weiner got wrong then. Ols(o)n would more likely be Swedish –Ols(e)n, Norwegian or Danish. Steve got it right with Haven Monahansen.

  151. @Stan Adams
    Reg Cæsar is right - there are *a lot* of "Norwegian-Americans" in the Upper Midwest. More than a few Swedish- and Finnish-Americans in those parts, as well.

    But you could live for years in, say, New Jersey, without seeing any Nordic types.

    I don’t know how big it was, but there actually used to be a “Little Norway” in Brooklyn, New York. Apparently, its population began to shrink after the 1920s and more or less disappeared after the switch to container ships in the 1960s.

    http://patch.com/new-york/carrollgardens/a-look-into-south-brooklyns-norwegian-past

    When I visited the NYPD museum, they had several old mug shots on display where the listed nationality was “Norwegian.”

    Big Apple Norwegians were also mostly responsible for starting New Bedford, MA’s important scallop fishery. One of the dock complexes there is actually named in honor of a successful Norwegian fisherman who helped lots of other fishermen with good business advice and by extending them credit.

  152. They should play this classic for new arrivals before they enter Norway:

  153. @Anonymous
    Crap.

    These were DANISH colonies and never Norwegian.

    True, but Norwegians were still involved and that gives them a right to claim some of the historical guilt:

    http://www.newsinenglish.no/2014/09/28/slave-trading-past-still-haunts-norway/

    Come on, we’re talking about modern Norway here! In the spirit of the season, let them have what they want. It’s a small country. There’ll still be plenty of guilt left to go ’round!

    *At various times in the medieval period, Norway itself controlled Iceland, Greenland, the Faroe Islands, the Isle of Man, parts of Scotland and various other territories.

  154. @anon

    it doesn’t change our demands on you
     
    No demands. I wouldn't want to share a trench with you.

    “No demands. I wouldn’t want to share a trench with you.”

    Alright, fair enough. Best of luck to you and yours.

  155. @Truth
    "Have modern Scandinavians been so, ahem, watered down, that any and all primordial stirrings have been extinguished?"

    When was the last time you tracked a wild board through the Appalachian for three days, and had to finish it off with your trusty bowie knife after your sidearm failed, Ole Hickory?

    I took out a lot of wild boards with my sandvik, and resorted to a chainsaw for the larger ones.

  156. @Reg Cæsar
    It's lutefisk season!

    Lutefisk is a taste I could never acquire. Lefse is enjoyable on gray days and long evenings, with some brown sugar, lingonberry jam or pretty much anything sweet and/or buttery.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Lutefisk is a taste I could never acquire
     
    It has a taste?

    Austin Powers declared that most Scottish food is eaten on a dare. By that standard, Norskies have them beat by a Swedish mile.
  157. @MKP
    "The FN got 35% of the 18-24 age vote – which is about half the white youth vote."

    What does that have to do with anything? Voting has little to nothing to do with the willingness of white men to say "I'm going to do anything necessary to make sure my world is safe for women." But to the extent that it was relevant, voting for the FN would be the act of those who are IN FAVOR of risking ostracization to make sure white women are safe. The 65 pct who vote otherwise would be the ones saying "yeah, who cares?"

    "If it wasn’t nonsense, yes."

    Alright. I don't claim to be any infallible expert. I just know a lot of young men and I listen to what they say.

    But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe there are, in fact, millions of white men looking to sacrifice anything to protect white women. Maybe they're looking at the nearest white woman right now, saying "ahhh, look at that specimen of beauty, 32 years old with HPV and twenty different guys' semen dribbling out of her, screeching at me about how evil I am. I'm ready to go to war to save her!"

    Maybe.

    "I don’t doubt there’s a lot of good reasons for the anti-feminist thing but as we enter the end game all of that is going to become irrelevant one way or the other."

    Yes, we get that a lot. "You know, I actually agree that feminism goes too far. I agree that you have a point. But ... it doesn't change our demands on you. We're going to have to ask you to continue to act the same way you grandfather did."

    Let me ask you a question: should women be expected to act a certain way in exchange for white men's chivalrous, protective behavior?

    White women (or women in general) aren’t some monolithic group, and it makes no sense to treat all as responsible for the actions or rhetoric of some of them. That’s the same error made by the reparations for slavery crowd and the white privilege crowd.

    There are white women who sleep around, have a bunch of bastards, and stuck the taxpayers (male and female) with the bill. That sucks, but it makes no more sense to blame my wife or sister for that than to blame me for it. Nor would abandoning having a decent society make sense as a response.

    Why should we white men want to keep a society going where women get treated well? Because of our own wives, sisters, mothers, daughters, cousins, friends. Because we like living in a society where everyone can live decent lives.

    I suspect you have had some very bad experiences with women that have left you bitter. That sucks, and I hope things get better. Nursing your grievances probably won’t help that to happen, though.

    • Replies: @BB753
    Well, they're not a monolithic group, I know young women who are anti-immigration and quite many who dislike Muslims. But when push comes to shove, they are feminist where it counts: in undermining the patriarchy, as they call it, which means they get to have the final word on everything in their own selfish interests, unfettered freedom for them but indebted servitude for men ( to women), the creation of their own safe spaces, basically the idea that everything revolves around their needs, whims and desires to the exclusion of men, in the workplace, in the intellectual and political realms. Make no mistake, there's no such thing as equality, it's either patriarchy or women hold the leash and they know how to make our lives a living hell, for men, children and ultimately themselves too. Women are too short-sighted, selfish and puerile to be trusted with any kind of power. It's only taken them 50 years to run Western Civilization to the ground. Deep down, all women are feminists. Either we men rule and put them in their place (which is their ultimate fantasy, being shoved back in the kitchen by manly men) or chaos reigns.
    , @MKP
    "I suspect you have had some very bad experiences with women that have left you bitter. That sucks, and I hope things get better. Nursing your grievances probably won’t help that to happen, though."

    Sure. Let's assume everything you think about me is true. I'm bitter, I'm a loser, I need to get over it. Whatever you want to say about me personally, let's say I grant it.

    Now - moving from me to the topic of civilization, my question remains: how should men react to the current circumstances? Acting to protect women specifically is an action of the patriarchy. A focus not just on immigrant crime, but on immigrant crime aimed at women in particular, is something that men would do out of chivalry - that men would do because they consider it their job to protect women.

    Young women will tell you - loudly and repeatedly - that they don't want patriarchy. They especially don't want a white patriarchy. They want diversity and equality, and they want to break down the rule of white men. Fine, not your wife; the LARGE majority of young women. A young man who says he wants to protect white women from immigrant crime will get spit on, amd probably accused of a hate crime, by the very people he is trying to protect.

    So my question: how should young men react to this situation? Should they wipe the spit off their faces, try to beat the hate crime charge, and do it anyway? Should men assume that women need protection from immigrant rapists but are just too stupid to realize it?

    Again, if you're arguing in good faith, I'd like an answer to that question. You'll notice that anytime I pose a direct question, the defenders of white women never answer it. The conversation always turns to me and how bitter I am.

    So, assume that I am bitter, and instead think about the thousands of young white mem reading this exchange. Should they make it their task to protect white women from the dangers of immigrant crime, knowing that white women will spit in their faces and try to ruin their lives for doing so?

    Your failure to answer would really leave these thousands of white men wondering about the viability of your position.

  158. The thing about saying women are to blame because of behavior at one extreme end of the spectrum is by default that includes the other extreme end.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-found-guilty-of-raping-woman-with-down-syndrome-after-luring-her-back-to-his-house-34298789.html

    And specifically targeting retarded girls is not uncommon.

  159. @NOTA
    White women (or women in general) aren't some monolithic group, and it makes no sense to treat all as responsible for the actions or rhetoric of some of them. That's the same error made by the reparations for slavery crowd and the white privilege crowd.

    There are white women who sleep around, have a bunch of bastards, and stuck the taxpayers (male and female) with the bill. That sucks, but it makes no more sense to blame my wife or sister for that than to blame me for it. Nor would abandoning having a decent society make sense as a response.

    Why should we white men want to keep a society going where women get treated well? Because of our own wives, sisters, mothers, daughters, cousins, friends. Because we like living in a society where everyone can live decent lives.

    I suspect you have had some very bad experiences with women that have left you bitter. That sucks, and I hope things get better. Nursing your grievances probably won't help that to happen, though.

    Well, they’re not a monolithic group, I know young women who are anti-immigration and quite many who dislike Muslims. But when push comes to shove, they are feminist where it counts: in undermining the patriarchy, as they call it, which means they get to have the final word on everything in their own selfish interests, unfettered freedom for them but indebted servitude for men ( to women), the creation of their own safe spaces, basically the idea that everything revolves around their needs, whims and desires to the exclusion of men, in the workplace, in the intellectual and political realms. Make no mistake, there’s no such thing as equality, it’s either patriarchy or women hold the leash and they know how to make our lives a living hell, for men, children and ultimately themselves too. Women are too short-sighted, selfish and puerile to be trusted with any kind of power. It’s only taken them 50 years to run Western Civilization to the ground. Deep down, all women are feminists. Either we men rule and put them in their place (which is their ultimate fantasy, being shoved back in the kitchen by manly men) or chaos reigns.

    • Replies: @anon

    Well, they’re not a monolithic group
     
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-found-guilty-of-raping-woman-with-down-syndrome-after-luring-her-back-to-his-house-34298789.html

    The trial heard that the woman has a mental age as low as seven in some areas and that she requires supervision to do everything except wash and dress

    ....

    She said a man found her on the street and pushed her into a corner before saying “come with me.” She said the man told her he was going to help her before taking her by the hand to a house. “He didn't help me,” she said. “I was confused and scared and sick.”

    She said he locked the door behind them and that she was afraid he was going to stab or kill her. “I wanted to go home but he wouldn't let me,” she said.

    The woman said that at one point she panicked and started banging on the door screaming “help, mum, help.”
     

  160. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @BB753
    Well, they're not a monolithic group, I know young women who are anti-immigration and quite many who dislike Muslims. But when push comes to shove, they are feminist where it counts: in undermining the patriarchy, as they call it, which means they get to have the final word on everything in their own selfish interests, unfettered freedom for them but indebted servitude for men ( to women), the creation of their own safe spaces, basically the idea that everything revolves around their needs, whims and desires to the exclusion of men, in the workplace, in the intellectual and political realms. Make no mistake, there's no such thing as equality, it's either patriarchy or women hold the leash and they know how to make our lives a living hell, for men, children and ultimately themselves too. Women are too short-sighted, selfish and puerile to be trusted with any kind of power. It's only taken them 50 years to run Western Civilization to the ground. Deep down, all women are feminists. Either we men rule and put them in their place (which is their ultimate fantasy, being shoved back in the kitchen by manly men) or chaos reigns.

    Well, they’re not a monolithic group

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-found-guilty-of-raping-woman-with-down-syndrome-after-luring-her-back-to-his-house-34298789.html

    The trial heard that the woman has a mental age as low as seven in some areas and that she requires supervision to do everything except wash and dress

    ….

    She said a man found her on the street and pushed her into a corner before saying “come with me.” She said the man told her he was going to help her before taking her by the hand to a house. “He didn’t help me,” she said. “I was confused and scared and sick.”

    She said he locked the door behind them and that she was afraid he was going to stab or kill her. “I wanted to go home but he wouldn’t let me,” she said.

    The woman said that at one point she panicked and started banging on the door screaming “help, mum, help.”

    • Replies: @BB753
    Yes, some women are more mentally impaired than others. Is that your point?
  161. @anon

    Well, they’re not a monolithic group
     
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-found-guilty-of-raping-woman-with-down-syndrome-after-luring-her-back-to-his-house-34298789.html

    The trial heard that the woman has a mental age as low as seven in some areas and that she requires supervision to do everything except wash and dress

    ....

    She said a man found her on the street and pushed her into a corner before saying “come with me.” She said the man told her he was going to help her before taking her by the hand to a house. “He didn't help me,” she said. “I was confused and scared and sick.”

    She said he locked the door behind them and that she was afraid he was going to stab or kill her. “I wanted to go home but he wouldn't let me,” she said.

    The woman said that at one point she panicked and started banging on the door screaming “help, mum, help.”
     

    Yes, some women are more mentally impaired than others. Is that your point?

    • Replies: @anon
    My point is there's two kinds of **** in this debate:

    1) **** who are bitter enough about feminists to say all females deserve the ongoing rape jihad even the ones at the opposite end of the behavior spectrum

    2) ****** **** who want to focus on one end of the spectrum of female behavior to deflect attention away from the rape jihad because they want to prevent white people doing anything to prevent their own destruction.
  162. @NOTA
    White women (or women in general) aren't some monolithic group, and it makes no sense to treat all as responsible for the actions or rhetoric of some of them. That's the same error made by the reparations for slavery crowd and the white privilege crowd.

    There are white women who sleep around, have a bunch of bastards, and stuck the taxpayers (male and female) with the bill. That sucks, but it makes no more sense to blame my wife or sister for that than to blame me for it. Nor would abandoning having a decent society make sense as a response.

    Why should we white men want to keep a society going where women get treated well? Because of our own wives, sisters, mothers, daughters, cousins, friends. Because we like living in a society where everyone can live decent lives.

    I suspect you have had some very bad experiences with women that have left you bitter. That sucks, and I hope things get better. Nursing your grievances probably won't help that to happen, though.

    “I suspect you have had some very bad experiences with women that have left you bitter. That sucks, and I hope things get better. Nursing your grievances probably won’t help that to happen, though.”

    Sure. Let’s assume everything you think about me is true. I’m bitter, I’m a loser, I need to get over it. Whatever you want to say about me personally, let’s say I grant it.

    Now – moving from me to the topic of civilization, my question remains: how should men react to the current circumstances? Acting to protect women specifically is an action of the patriarchy. A focus not just on immigrant crime, but on immigrant crime aimed at women in particular, is something that men would do out of chivalry – that men would do because they consider it their job to protect women.

    Young women will tell you – loudly and repeatedly – that they don’t want patriarchy. They especially don’t want a white patriarchy. They want diversity and equality, and they want to break down the rule of white men. Fine, not your wife; the LARGE majority of young women. A young man who says he wants to protect white women from immigrant crime will get spit on, amd probably accused of a hate crime, by the very people he is trying to protect.

    So my question: how should young men react to this situation? Should they wipe the spit off their faces, try to beat the hate crime charge, and do it anyway? Should men assume that women need protection from immigrant rapists but are just too stupid to realize it?

    Again, if you’re arguing in good faith, I’d like an answer to that question. You’ll notice that anytime I pose a direct question, the defenders of white women never answer it. The conversation always turns to me and how bitter I am.

    So, assume that I am bitter, and instead think about the thousands of young white mem reading this exchange. Should they make it their task to protect white women from the dangers of immigrant crime, knowing that white women will spit in their faces and try to ruin their lives for doing so?

    Your failure to answer would really leave these thousands of white men wondering about the viability of your position.

    • Agree: BB753
  163. @anon

    but when the victim refuses to take steps to ameliorate the situation, be it by quitting smoking in my hypothetical or keeping the imported rapists out of the country, how badly am I supposed to feel about the victims?
     
    If you make an exception from your "they deserve it" rule for those too young to vote then it doesn't matter and if you don't then you don't matter.

    .

    @Cathy

    The Janjaweed in Sudan rape the black women to produce half-arab kids and when the daughters grow up they'll do the same to produce 3/4 |Arab kids etc.

    In the civilized parts of the world rape might have become about power but everywhere else it's about conquest and genetic reproduction.

    Your addendum is obvious and I concur. The snapshot in my mind is not a child but a screeching feminist harpy.

    • Replies: @anon
    Sure and I understand that. My point is some people want to steer attention to one end of the female behavior spectrum for divide and rule purposes.
  164. @Sara
    Rape has to do with power not sex. The article says that 17 of 20 men convicted of rape were not norweigen yet it doesn't mention who the victims are or the accusation rate vs convictions. My guess is that if there is a refugee rape crisis the crimes are being perpetrated against refugees not by them!

    It’s nice to see that winter break has given you enough time off from your Women’s Studies classes to post here.

    One question. Where in England were there Rotherham-style rape gangs of white English men against Pakistani girls? Outside of those Scandinavian “The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo” novels, I mean.

    Surely whites have more “power” than Pakistanis, right?

  165. @Anonymous
    Even the idea of having female guards in prison, bossing male inmates around, is deeply offensive to Muslims.

    If there was ever a good reason to have female guards at a male prison, that would be it.

  166. @MKP
    "Yes, Whiskey."

    It obviously makes you feel comfortable to think that I'm Whiskey writing in disguise. That's an easy solution - there's just one angry, ranting guy who is thinking twice about what his getting in return for sacrificing and putting himself at risk to protect white women. There's this one wacky guy on the internet who thinks - ha ha, get this - that white women are ungrateful, and aren't proving themselves worthy of the things that white men spend their lives trying to do for them.

    It's easier to say "Yes, Whiskey" than to consider the possibility that many, many young white men - possibly approaching a majority at this point - are noticing precisely the same things that Whiskey is noticing. Boy, that would certainly be a disquieting line of thought, would it not?

    consider the possibility that many, many young white men – possibly approaching a majority at this point – are noticing precisely the same things that Whiskey is noticing. Boy, that would certainly be a disquieting line of thought, would it not?

    But here’s the flaw in your reasoning: these guys WILL get a girlfriend (eventually most will marry) and they WILL act to defend her. That will inevitably lead to defending her mother, friends, etc. And if/when you have a kid, a daughter, then the game is completely up.

    Face it, we are hard-wired genetically to defend women (unless we are sociopathic or psychopathic).

    • Replies: @MKP
    "Face it, we are hard-wired genetically to defend women."

    If this hard-wiring is so strong, how do you explain what's happening in Europe? Hundreds of thousands of African and Middle Eastern "refugees," with shockingly high rates of sexual assault, are pouring into Europe, and nobody is doing anything to stop it. Sure, men will physically intervene if someone is getting attacked right in front of them. But why aren't young men doing anything to stop the invasion that will surely and obviously lead to more rapes?

    If your response is "they would, except government and society won't let them!" then there's our answer. Men's hard-wiring to protect women isn't enough to overcome the scolding, abuse, and accusations of racism by the same women who need protection.

    Do you have a response to the question that no one has previously stuck around to answer? Should women be required to act in a certain way, or to do or not do any particular thing(s), in exchange for the expected protection of men? And if they refuse to do so, and react angrily and mockingly at the suggestion that they should, how should men react?

    "But here’s the flaw in your reasoning: these guys WILL get a girlfriend (eventually most will marry)"

    Sure. It's always beem that way before, so it always will be. Right?

  167. @Ivy
    Lutefisk is a taste I could never acquire. Lefse is enjoyable on gray days and long evenings, with some brown sugar, lingonberry jam or pretty much anything sweet and/or buttery.

    Lutefisk is a taste I could never acquire

    It has a taste?

    Austin Powers declared that most Scottish food is eaten on a dare. By that standard, Norskies have them beat by a Swedish mile.

  168. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @BB753
    Yes, some women are more mentally impaired than others. Is that your point?

    My point is there’s two kinds of **** in this debate:

    1) **** who are bitter enough about feminists to say all females deserve the ongoing rape jihad even the ones at the opposite end of the behavior spectrum

    2) ****** **** who want to focus on one end of the spectrum of female behavior to deflect attention away from the rape jihad because they want to prevent white people doing anything to prevent their own destruction.

    • Replies: @BB753
    Well, I'm neither kind of ****, whatever that means.
  169. @Brutusale
    Your addendum is obvious and I concur. The snapshot in my mind is not a child but a screeching feminist harpy.

    Sure and I understand that. My point is some people want to steer attention to one end of the female behavior spectrum for divide and rule purposes.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    I see your point, but the "Women and children first!" ethic seems to have been lost over the last century, driven in the main by modern feminism. Compare the adult male percentage of survivors from the Titanic to that of any modern sinking. Today we have events like the Costa Concordia debacle, where the captain was among the first off of the sinking ship!
  170. @Stan D Mute

    consider the possibility that many, many young white men – possibly approaching a majority at this point – are noticing precisely the same things that Whiskey is noticing. Boy, that would certainly be a disquieting line of thought, would it not?
     
    But here's the flaw in your reasoning: these guys WILL get a girlfriend (eventually most will marry) and they WILL act to defend her. That will inevitably lead to defending her mother, friends, etc. And if/when you have a kid, a daughter, then the game is completely up.

    Face it, we are hard-wired genetically to defend women (unless we are sociopathic or psychopathic).

    “Face it, we are hard-wired genetically to defend women.”

    If this hard-wiring is so strong, how do you explain what’s happening in Europe? Hundreds of thousands of African and Middle Eastern “refugees,” with shockingly high rates of sexual assault, are pouring into Europe, and nobody is doing anything to stop it. Sure, men will physically intervene if someone is getting attacked right in front of them. But why aren’t young men doing anything to stop the invasion that will surely and obviously lead to more rapes?

    If your response is “they would, except government and society won’t let them!” then there’s our answer. Men’s hard-wiring to protect women isn’t enough to overcome the scolding, abuse, and accusations of racism by the same women who need protection.

    Do you have a response to the question that no one has previously stuck around to answer? Should women be required to act in a certain way, or to do or not do any particular thing(s), in exchange for the expected protection of men? And if they refuse to do so, and react angrily and mockingly at the suggestion that they should, how should men react?

    “But here’s the flaw in your reasoning: these guys WILL get a girlfriend (eventually most will marry)”

    Sure. It’s always beem that way before, so it always will be. Right?

    • Replies: @anon

    no one has previously stuck around to answer
     
    My replies are too intemperate to get past moderation so let's reduce it to

    they rape little boys too.
    , @JSM
    ure, men will physically intervene if someone is getting attacked right in front of them. But why aren’t young men doing anything to stop the invasion that will surely and obviously lead to more rapes?


    Because those men don't have girlfriends at present? (And, MKP, I'm not trying to mock you. I have a great deal of sympathy for the plight you young men are in.)

    It *is* difficult for anyone, even men hard-wired to protect their wives, daughters, mothers and sisters, to bring himself to risk his own well-being to defend strangers from war crimes (which is what this is) when he doesn't see the act for himself.

    I get that.

    So, what should young men do if the young women are mocking them for trying to be protectors?

    Hm. Maybe, rather than expecting gratitude from the women for what you've done for them and being angry you're not getting it, there is another way of thinking about it... That is, defending the young women, even in spite of their wishes, promotes your OWN genetic interests.

    Because, when there is an epidemic of those young women being raped by those Muslim men, there will be many cases of sexually transmitted diseases resulting in reduced future fertility in those women, as well as unwanted pregnancies necessitating abortion with its resultant fertility impairment from complications.

    The end result is even less opportunity for you young men to sire children -- even after she's learned her lesson the hard way.

  171. @Anonymous
    Yes.

    This is about as 'intelligent' is calling Eire a 'former colonial power' because Eire was in 'political union' with England for a few hundred years, and that the resultant nation, the United Kingdom was a colonial power, if not the *the* colonial power.

    What a tunc!

    Aha. I see how it works now. So if Wee Nicola gets Scotland out of the Union, it’s only the English and the Welsh that carry the can for the sins of Empire?
    Supposing Yorkshire goes all UDI, are they off the hook as well? Could we carry on seceding fractally, until its only an upmarket address in Westminster, SW1A 1AA, that takes the flak?
    The Duke of Wellington was technically “Irish”.

  172. @anon
    My point is there's two kinds of **** in this debate:

    1) **** who are bitter enough about feminists to say all females deserve the ongoing rape jihad even the ones at the opposite end of the behavior spectrum

    2) ****** **** who want to focus on one end of the spectrum of female behavior to deflect attention away from the rape jihad because they want to prevent white people doing anything to prevent their own destruction.

    Well, I’m neither kind of ****, whatever that means.

  173. Bill Jones—“White men have created the finest society for women ever seen.”

    Corrected for accuracy—> Men and women have created a society for everyone.

    JohnnyWalker—“Non-Western immigrants accounted for 18% of the population of Oslo, but 50% of the rapes. Norweigians were 77% of the population, but 36% of the rapists. So non-Westerners are 6x as likely to rape as native Norweigians.”

    Yes, those Non-Westerner males who are exactly like Westerner males by being prone to overt and illegal sexual aggression. That is the category of emphasis. It’s a SJW lie.

    Then again, I was told to believe that rape culture doesn’t observably exist.

    Anon—”It’s based on vastly inferior people being allowed to infest our civilization.”

    Assuming western civilization is a) being infested and b) are superior. Those are BIG assumptions.

    Ben Tillman—“Even if true, it is irrelevant to any discussion of the aggression committed by immigrants.”

    Those Eastern Europeans are a nasty lot with their sex trafficking throughout the world, especially the United States. Do you seek to expel these notorious white devils?

    Johnny Walker—“In absolute numbers, Britain has more white groomers than Muslim groomers.”

    

Which is the more relevant statistic. Whites are more prone than non-whites to rape. Again, I was told rape culture doesn’t observably exist. It’s a SJW lie.

  174. @Sara
    Rape has to do with power not sex. The article says that 17 of 20 men convicted of rape were not norweigen yet it doesn't mention who the victims are or the accusation rate vs convictions. My guess is that if there is a refugee rape crisis the crimes are being perpetrated against refugees not by them!

    Rape has to do with power not sex.

    That’s idiotic. Even you don’t believe it.

  175. @anon
    I like where you're going with this. I suspect you're probably right.

    When Norway WAS actually a racially homogenous society, they got along fine, because part of being racially homogenous meant that you weren't very likely to prey on people who were so similar to you.

    They evolved in that context, meaning that they never developed the cultural antibodies to other, more predatory peoples, and cannot defend themselves adequately.

    If the Norwegians had been smarter a few decades ago, what they should have done was explain this to the UN, or whoever is in charge of these sorts of things. Tell them that their lack of internal cultural protections means that they're like those uncontacted tribes in the Amazon, or Sentinel Islanders or something, and that it would be genocidal for immigrants to be placed among them.

    Sadly, that ship has sailed. So I guess they're just going to have to learn to protect themselves. I hope, though, that after the immigrants are gone, they're able to return to their peaceable old ways.

    I have a feeling that we're all going to miss those boring, trusting, peaceful Scandinavians once they're gone, though.

    Yeah. Because in the learning to protect themselves, it’s entirely possible the Viking genes, rare amongst them though they may currently be, will be selected for with a vengeance.

    Quote from history:

    “God, save us from the Norsemen.”

  176. @MKP
    "Face it, we are hard-wired genetically to defend women."

    If this hard-wiring is so strong, how do you explain what's happening in Europe? Hundreds of thousands of African and Middle Eastern "refugees," with shockingly high rates of sexual assault, are pouring into Europe, and nobody is doing anything to stop it. Sure, men will physically intervene if someone is getting attacked right in front of them. But why aren't young men doing anything to stop the invasion that will surely and obviously lead to more rapes?

    If your response is "they would, except government and society won't let them!" then there's our answer. Men's hard-wiring to protect women isn't enough to overcome the scolding, abuse, and accusations of racism by the same women who need protection.

    Do you have a response to the question that no one has previously stuck around to answer? Should women be required to act in a certain way, or to do or not do any particular thing(s), in exchange for the expected protection of men? And if they refuse to do so, and react angrily and mockingly at the suggestion that they should, how should men react?

    "But here’s the flaw in your reasoning: these guys WILL get a girlfriend (eventually most will marry)"

    Sure. It's always beem that way before, so it always will be. Right?

    no one has previously stuck around to answer

    My replies are too intemperate to get past moderation so let’s reduce it to

    they rape little boys too.

  177. @MKP
    "Face it, we are hard-wired genetically to defend women."

    If this hard-wiring is so strong, how do you explain what's happening in Europe? Hundreds of thousands of African and Middle Eastern "refugees," with shockingly high rates of sexual assault, are pouring into Europe, and nobody is doing anything to stop it. Sure, men will physically intervene if someone is getting attacked right in front of them. But why aren't young men doing anything to stop the invasion that will surely and obviously lead to more rapes?

    If your response is "they would, except government and society won't let them!" then there's our answer. Men's hard-wiring to protect women isn't enough to overcome the scolding, abuse, and accusations of racism by the same women who need protection.

    Do you have a response to the question that no one has previously stuck around to answer? Should women be required to act in a certain way, or to do or not do any particular thing(s), in exchange for the expected protection of men? And if they refuse to do so, and react angrily and mockingly at the suggestion that they should, how should men react?

    "But here’s the flaw in your reasoning: these guys WILL get a girlfriend (eventually most will marry)"

    Sure. It's always beem that way before, so it always will be. Right?

    ure, men will physically intervene if someone is getting attacked right in front of them. But why aren’t young men doing anything to stop the invasion that will surely and obviously lead to more rapes?

    Because those men don’t have girlfriends at present? (And, MKP, I’m not trying to mock you. I have a great deal of sympathy for the plight you young men are in.)

    It *is* difficult for anyone, even men hard-wired to protect their wives, daughters, mothers and sisters, to bring himself to risk his own well-being to defend strangers from war crimes (which is what this is) when he doesn’t see the act for himself.

    I get that.

    So, what should young men do if the young women are mocking them for trying to be protectors?

    Hm. Maybe, rather than expecting gratitude from the women for what you’ve done for them and being angry you’re not getting it, there is another way of thinking about it… That is, defending the young women, even in spite of their wishes, promotes your OWN genetic interests.

    Because, when there is an epidemic of those young women being raped by those Muslim men, there will be many cases of sexually transmitted diseases resulting in reduced future fertility in those women, as well as unwanted pregnancies necessitating abortion with its resultant fertility impairment from complications.

    The end result is even less opportunity for you young men to sire children — even after she’s learned her lesson the hard way.

  178. Should men assume that women need protection from immigrant rapists but are just too stupid to realize it?

    So my answer is, basically, well, yes. She’s a young silly. (If she were old, she’d be much less likely to be raped.) Young sillies are kind of … well, stupid. I know. I was one. It’s an unfortunate fact of life that the only people capable of bearing children are young, and therefore silly, women.

    We smarten up as we age (true of all humans) but that’s after our ovulation ability is over. Nature’s weird that way. So the men have to protect us while we’re young and therefore fertile…and being young, also too dumb in some cases to know we need protection.

    • Replies: @BB753
    Indeed, only men have the ability to be mature and fertile at the same time. Women are basically minors until they lose their period. Fertile women can't think straight nor behave like adults. The mental fog begins to dissipate once estrogen levels decrease.
  179. @anon
    Sure and I understand that. My point is some people want to steer attention to one end of the female behavior spectrum for divide and rule purposes.

    I see your point, but the “Women and children first!” ethic seems to have been lost over the last century, driven in the main by modern feminism. Compare the adult male percentage of survivors from the Titanic to that of any modern sinking. Today we have events like the Costa Concordia debacle, where the captain was among the first off of the sinking ship!

  180. “Real” Rape Culture got mentioned over at PowerLine and linked to by Sarah Hoyt at Instapundit.
    http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/222153/

    Steve continues to expand the Overton Window!

  181. @Big Bill

    When they get to Norway, he added, “something happens in their heads.”
     
    Nope. Nothing "happens in their heads". Something DOESN'T happen in their heads. The Magic Dirt doesn't work. They don't magically turn into dweeby emasculated Swedish males. They don't become low-testosterone twinks.

    They remain the same randy, entitled, patriarchal males they have been for their entire lives.

    Really, what is so hard to understand? If she dresses like a whore, if she drinks like a whore, if she flashes her t!ts like a whore, then she's a whore.

    Too bad it wasn’t your little 10-yr old daughter who got raped in a park in broad daylight. Hopefully someday it will be.

  182. @Big Bill

    When they get to Norway, he added, “something happens in their heads.”
     
    Nope. Nothing "happens in their heads". Something DOESN'T happen in their heads. The Magic Dirt doesn't work. They don't magically turn into dweeby emasculated Swedish males. They don't become low-testosterone twinks.

    They remain the same randy, entitled, patriarchal males they have been for their entire lives.

    Really, what is so hard to understand? If she dresses like a whore, if she drinks like a whore, if she flashes her t!ts like a whore, then she's a whore.

    Too bad it wasn’t your little 10-yr old daughter who got raped in a park in broad daylight. Hopefully someday it will be.

  183. @JSM
    Should men assume that women need protection from immigrant rapists but are just too stupid to realize it?

    So my answer is, basically, well, yes. She's a young silly. (If she were old, she'd be much less likely to be raped.) Young sillies are kind of ... well, stupid. I know. I was one. It's an unfortunate fact of life that the only people capable of bearing children are young, and therefore silly, women.

    We smarten up as we age (true of all humans) but that's after our ovulation ability is over. Nature's weird that way. So the men have to protect us while we're young and therefore fertile...and being young, also too dumb in some cases to know we need protection.

    Indeed, only men have the ability to be mature and fertile at the same time. Women are basically minors until they lose their period. Fertile women can’t think straight nor behave like adults. The mental fog begins to dissipate once estrogen levels decrease.

  184. “Too bad it wasn’t your little 10-yr old daughter who got raped in a park in broad daylight. Hopefully someday it will be.”

    That’s absolutely uncivilized for you to make this reference.

    “Indeed, only men have the ability to be mature and fertile at the same time.”

    That is patently false.

    • Disagree: BB753
  185. BB753, if you vehemently disagree, offer evidence to support your position. You made the statement, now qualify it. In turn, I will provide a cogent rebuttal.

    Here, I’ll start. A 2013 study offers insight why your assertion is, as I deemed it, patently false.

    http://mic.com/articles/111226/science-explains-why-women-are-faster-to-mature-than-men#.SCrfuyqM1

    What say you?

    • Replies: @BB753
    Women may mature earlier, which doesn't mean that they end up being more mature than men. Just that they start earlier. The male brain is more complex and takes longer to mature. After sexual maturity, women freeze in a neotenous state for the rest of their lives until menopause strikes and old age sets in. Then they catch up with men in terms of mental maturity. Better late than never!
  186. @Corvinus
    BB753, if you vehemently disagree, offer evidence to support your position. You made the statement, now qualify it. In turn, I will provide a cogent rebuttal.

    Here, I'll start. A 2013 study offers insight why your assertion is, as I deemed it, patently false.

    http://mic.com/articles/111226/science-explains-why-women-are-faster-to-mature-than-men#.SCrfuyqM1

    What say you?

    Women may mature earlier, which doesn’t mean that they end up being more mature than men. Just that they start earlier. The male brain is more complex and takes longer to mature. After sexual maturity, women freeze in a neotenous state for the rest of their lives until menopause strikes and old age sets in. Then they catch up with men in terms of mental maturity. Better late than never!

  187. “17/20 = 85% immigrant. Seems pretty clear to me, but what do I know about arithmetic?”

    Of course, if you consider what percentage of the male Swedish population consists of immigrants, it becomes quite a bit worse.

  188. “Women may mature earlier, which doesn’t mean that they end up being more mature than men.”

    Men may mature later, which doesn’t mean that they end up being more mature than women.

    Now, back to your original statement–Indeed, only men have the ability to be mature and fertile at the same time. Submit proof to in support or retract.

    “After sexual maturity, women freeze in a neotenous state for the rest of their lives until menopause strikes and old age sets in.”

    You’re going to have to better than make wild generalizations without evidence.

  189. @anon
    I'm going to guess if it was happening in reverse your opinion would be reversed also.

    If it was in reverse, I would not make it a religious issue. Most of the “rape ” stuff in the western media is FAKE, whether is it is college white christian men versus college white christian girls or “Muslim” men versus white girls, or south african men raping south african women..pretty much all of it is fake or exaggerated feminist propaganda.

    It is just ridiculous how people lap it up when it suits them.

    RAPE IS RARE.

    What is not rare is trashy lower class men pimping vulnerable teenagers from trashy lower class families..- the oldest profession.

  190. PEDAGOGIC (adj.) – From 1781, from Latin paedagogicus, from Greek paidagogikos
    appropriate for a teacher,” from paidagogos trainer” (see
    pedagogue).

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