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From the New York Times news section:

Risk for Leader of Belarus: Migrants He Lured May Want to Stay

President Aleksandr G. Lukashenko of Belarus, whom the E.U. accuses of engineering a migrant crisis on the border with Poland, could face a serious headache if asylum seekers try to stay in his country.

By Andrew Higgins
Nov. 17, 2021

BRUZGI, Belarus — He has ruled with an iron fist for 27 years, surviving huge street protests, multiple rounds of Western sanctions and even alleged plots by his benefactor, Russia, to remove him.

But a threat President Aleksandr G. Lukashenko has never before had to contend with is now taking shape in a squalid migrant encampment along his country’s border with Poland. Having helped funnel desperate migrants to Europe’s doorstep, Mr. Lukashenko suddenly has to deal with people like Bale Nisu, a 21-year-old Kurd from Iraq who has taken a liking to Belarus, and would like to settle here.

Many of the more than 2,000 people marooned on the Belarusian side of the razor wire at Bruzgi, a large, shuttered border crossing, insist they won’t give up on trying to get into the European Union. But growing fears that they might instead get sent back to their home countries has made Mr. Nisu and others wonder whether staying put in Belarus could be their best option.

“I want to go to Germany, but if that is impossible, I’ll just stay here,” Mr. Nisu said Wednesday after moving into a big warehouse near the border that has been converted into a migrant holding center by the Belarusian authorities in an effort to release pressure on the border — and burnish the country’s often grim image.

He lamented that he had spent more than \$4,000 and days freezing in the forest only to end up in a poor, highly repressive former Soviet republic with little to offer in the way of jobs and other opportunities.

But, showing rips in his pants, which he maintained were caused by Polish security forces beating him up after an abortive attempt to sneak across the frontier last week, he said that Belarus looked far more enticing than returning to Iraq, or more encounters with Polish soldiers and border guards. He said he wanted to apply for asylum in Belarus.

“Belarus,” he said, “is a very, very good country.”

It’s almost as if politicians pushing for more migration, like Lukashenko, are the bad guys.

 
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  1. Nah, Lukashenko is a bad guy for other reasons, like Chamber of Commerce Republicans here.

  2. Over 2000 people!!!! That’s less than a weeks worth of channel crossing “migrants” to the UK.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @anon

    Yeah, and one morning's worth of Mexicans, Guatemalans, Haitians, and who knows crossing across the southern border of the US lately - yes, well over 100,000 a month!

  3. Why would third world migrants staying be a risk to Belarus but a blessing to America?

    • Replies: @Escher
    @Dave Pinsen

    Because America (or American policies at least) played a significant part in the destruction of their home countries.
    Bombing and funding terrorists in faraway lands: the gift that keeps on giving.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  4. It’s odd that none of these refugees are ever resettled in affluent&safe Israel, which is right next door. They must travel thousands of miles to cold, faraway lands.

    Odd.

    Perhaps George Soros and Barbara Lerner Spectre could tell us why.

    • Troll: IHTG
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Perhaps George Soros and Barbara Lerner Spectre could tell us why.

    The idea that George Soros is pro-Israel is laughable. He has often expressed his disdain for Nationalism in Israel as elsewhere. Netanyahu's public,vocal support for Viktor Orban in his Soros controversy is not because he thought Soros is a friend to Israel.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @JohnnyWalker123

    , @inertial
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Wait, are you saying Israel is safe for Muslims? I thought they are being genocided there.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    , @Art Deco
    @JohnnyWalker123

    It’s odd that none of these refugees are ever resettled in affluent&safe Israel, which is right next door. They must travel thousands of miles to cold, faraway lands.

    Israel's not next door to Kurdistan. Israel is next door to Jordan and Egypt; neither is a refugee generator. Israel is next door to Syria; five countries border on Syria; Israel ranks fourth among them in its population, 5th in its Arab population, and 5th in the length of its common land border with Syria.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Wilkey

  5. If Luka is a Soviet-style baddie, these folks will simply vanish.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    @The Alarmist

    Lucky for the fugees that Katyn is way over in Big Russia, six/seven hour drive from Poland.

  6. anon[231] • Disclaimer says:

    Lukashenko could just send them back. He doesn’t have to grant anyone asylum.

    Plus, did he really “engineer” the crisis? OK, to some extent, he tolerated migration. The West is quite keen on using sanctions when they don’t like something. But it is one of the most severe actions a country can take, short of war. And then they wonder why sanctioned countries act angry.

    Europe is chocked full of bureaucrats who would love to drag Belarus into NATO.

    • Replies: @inertial
    @anon

    Lukashenko has been trying to cozy up to the EU for over a decade. In response, the EU attempted to overthrow him and when it failed they imposed sanctions.

    It's very easy to solve this crisis: just leave Lukashenko alone. Which actually would still be a good idea even if there were no refugees.

  7. people like Bale Nisu

    Bale Nisu = Is unable.

    he said that Belarus looked far more enticing than returning to Iraq

    From White Russia to Off-White Russia.

  8. The guys who want to stay in Belarus probably have people who want to kill them back home. I’ve long wanted to visit Belarus to see the wisents and spend some time in the European wilderness, but I don’t know how on earth I could make a living there. What’s an Iraqi Muslim going to do? Sell kebab on a Minsk street corner in -20 degree weather and make \$200/month? Does he know what Belarusian welfare is like? Not sure these guys know what they’re getting into.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @Bill P

    This is in the NY Times so I will consider the possibility this migrant is fictional. The stronger possibility is he thinks he can gut it out in Belarus for a few months and get into Germany, where he really wants to go sooner rather than later. If he had to spend a few years in Belarus, he may give up and end up back in Iraq instead.

    , @TitusAlone
    @Bill P

    I agree with your point, in general, but there's always those "fetch and carry" - servant type jobs - which are the staple for immigrants in countries without welfare. Like Irishmen working on the docks, and their women as servants - a cheap servant was called "a Bridget" in the 19th century.

    , @Johann Ricke
    @Bill P


    The guys who want to stay in Belarus probably have people who want to kill them back home.
     
    My suspicion is that while Belarus is no paradise, it might be a better place than Iraq, which is rife with all kinds of political and sectarian conflicts that lead to random, completely out of the blue brushes with death where the entire family gets to roll the dice.
  9. I think how these things work in countries like Belarus is that if they do not want you there, you will not be there for long.

    These migrants have ended up fairly radicalized by this point. We see that now with some of the people coming up through our Southern border. They are not just wishing and hoping and willing to do anything for a new and better life. Desperation has turned into insistence. They feel they are entitled to what they want as a right, while on the other hand the new country has no right to say no to them.

    These are not the kind of people an autocrat wants. They are the kind of people they do not want.

  10. Never forget the Polish terror attack on innocent German radio station staff on the German-Polish border in 1939.

  11. Having helped funnel desperate migrants to Europe’s doorstep

    In what continent is Belarus located? What country did the migrants traverse just before Belarus? Where is that country located?

    BTW, NYT: there’s no such thing as “razor wire”. There’s barbed wire, and there’s razor ribbon. Most likely you’re thinking of the latter, which is not made of wire. HTH, NYT.

    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
    @Hangnail Hans

    Belarus (or rather, Lukashenko and his establishment), being based, worked to fly economic migrants in from the Middle East to use as a tool of vengeance against the EU which had been making threats against them (as the EU was mad Belarus hadn't toppled into a fake and gay little Republic). Belarus specifically wanted to screw over Poland and Lithuania, who specifically had been working to support the rebels and protestors in Belarus (fifth columnists).

    Anyhow, I doubt Lukashenko will let the migrants stay for any period of time. Belarus is a functioning country with a security system it will happily apply to problem areas. The real issue though is that Belarus needs to rejoin Russia if it isn't going to ultimately end up subsumed by the EU.

  12. “Fun or not, we’re still human traffickers, greedily trading in the ancient bitter coin of human desperation, and raw suffering–like the idiot Americans.”

  13. The Reconquista’s gonna be lit.

    Sorry, the ethnic cleansing caused by own-goaling and believing propaganda.

  14. @Dave Pinsen
    Why would third world migrants staying be a risk to Belarus but a blessing to America?

    Replies: @Escher

    Because America (or American policies at least) played a significant part in the destruction of their home countries.
    Bombing and funding terrorists in faraway lands: the gift that keeps on giving.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Escher


    Because America (or American policies at least) played a significant part in the destruction of their home countries.
     
    How does one destroy a 💩🕳 in the first place?

    Replies: @Escher

  15. @JohnnyWalker123
    It's odd that none of these refugees are ever resettled in affluent&safe Israel, which is right next door. They must travel thousands of miles to cold, faraway lands.

    Odd.

    Perhaps George Soros and Barbara Lerner Spectre could tell us why.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @inertial, @Art Deco

    Perhaps George Soros and Barbara Lerner Spectre could tell us why.

    The idea that George Soros is pro-Israel is laughable. He has often expressed his disdain for Nationalism in Israel as elsewhere. Netanyahu’s public,vocal support for Viktor Orban in his Soros controversy is not because he thought Soros is a friend to Israel.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @kaganovitch


    The idea that George Soros is pro-Israel is laughable. He has often expressed his disdain for Nationalism in Israel
     
    Citation needed.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @kaganovitch

    Perhaps, but there is this.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/berezovskyanism-in-usa/


    Berezovsky’s account had some holes, but he stuck to it his entire life. Whatever his exaggerations or omissions, he played a significant role in Russia’s transition from Boris Yeltsin to Putin. What strikes me is that years later — and up until his death — he still thought it had been a brilliant idea.

     


    Berezovsky claimed to have been the mastermind behind picking a man with no public face, a former K.G.B. agent, to succeed Yeltsin as the president of Russia. He also said it was his idea to manufacture an entire nonideological pseudo-political pseudo-movement to serve as the new president’s base of support. Berezovsky also had another brilliant idea, which to his regret Putin did not grasp: creating a fake two-party system, with Putin at the head of a socialist-democrat sort of party and Berezovsky leading a neoconservative one, or the other way around.
     

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  16. @anon
    Over 2000 people!!!! That's less than a weeks worth of channel crossing "migrants" to the UK.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Yeah, and one morning’s worth of Mexicans, Guatemalans, Haitians, and who knows crossing across the southern border of the US lately – yes, well over 100,000 a month!

  17. Here is the warehouse in question. Seems like it’d get pretty cold.

  18. A kurd spending \$4000 to travel to Europe is not “Desperate”. He is an economic migrant. Like nearly all of them. Which I fully understand but lets not pretend it is different.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @michael droy


    A kurd spending $4000 to travel to Europe is not “Desperate”. He is an economic migrant. Like nearly all of them. Which I fully understand but lets not pretend it is different.
     
    Americans used to have a term for them: Carpetbaggers.

    That’s also why America enjoys mounting waves of "Latino refugees" who are clinically obese. An historic first for "desperate refugees."

    Because their citizenry is so embarrassingly fat, Mexico must be doing SOMEthing right, but we actively siphon off Mexico's brain pool to ensure that country remains retarded for generations to come, full of fat dumb bunnies who are "too dumb to leave," rather than them allowing Mexico to grow a pool of intelligent, active Mexicans who, if they couldn’t easily abandon their country, might take an interest in making it better.

    Replies: @Clyde

  19. Expelling unwanted migrants is extremely easy. Make it known among everyone in the country that you’ll pay a \$1000 bounty for each illegal immigrant turned in to the police. Promise to do something horrible to each migrant if they’re turned in (long periods of hard labor incarceration, summary execution, whatever you want). Migrants, being rational people, will all self deport.

    • Agree: NickG
    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    @Batman

    Would slavery finally turn a profit? Get those buggers digging up the cuttings for Boris's already failed HS2 line to .. somewhere.

  20. @JohnnyWalker123
    It's odd that none of these refugees are ever resettled in affluent&safe Israel, which is right next door. They must travel thousands of miles to cold, faraway lands.

    Odd.

    Perhaps George Soros and Barbara Lerner Spectre could tell us why.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @inertial, @Art Deco

    Wait, are you saying Israel is safe for Muslims? I thought they are being genocided there.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @inertial

    'Wait, are you saying Israel is safe for Muslims? I thought they are being genocided there.'

    It's not safe. Unlike as with Syria's other neighbors, the Muslims (and Christians) of Syria will be shot if they try to cross Israel's border.

  21. anonymous[828] • Disclaimer says:

    Not entirely OT: Senile Joe Biden is looking to re-settle 100,000 Afghan “refugees” in 46 states over the next few months. Finding a much closer, more culturally compatible third country just wouldn’t work I guess. Gotta find some way to replace those 100,000 Americans who died of drug overdoses in the past year…
    (www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/17/joe-bidens-administration-resettling-4000-afghans-across-u-s-every-week/)

    Thanks a bunch all you affluent white women in leafy suburbs who voted for Joe Biden because TrUMp SENds MeAn TWeeTs! If/when these people start committing terrorist attacks hopefully Biden will still be in office and will look like a deer caught-in-the-headlights when asked about it. Probably respond with “C’mon man!”

  22. @anon
    Lukashenko could just send them back. He doesn't have to grant anyone asylum.

    Plus, did he really "engineer" the crisis? OK, to some extent, he tolerated migration. The West is quite keen on using sanctions when they don't like something. But it is one of the most severe actions a country can take, short of war. And then they wonder why sanctioned countries act angry.

    Europe is chocked full of bureaucrats who would love to drag Belarus into NATO.

    Replies: @inertial

    Lukashenko has been trying to cozy up to the EU for over a decade. In response, the EU attempted to overthrow him and when it failed they imposed sanctions.

    It’s very easy to solve this crisis: just leave Lukashenko alone. Which actually would still be a good idea even if there were no refugees.

    • Agree: RobinG
  23. @Bill P
    The guys who want to stay in Belarus probably have people who want to kill them back home. I've long wanted to visit Belarus to see the wisents and spend some time in the European wilderness, but I don't know how on earth I could make a living there. What's an Iraqi Muslim going to do? Sell kebab on a Minsk street corner in -20 degree weather and make $200/month? Does he know what Belarusian welfare is like? Not sure these guys know what they're getting into.

    Replies: @Barnard, @TitusAlone, @Johann Ricke

    This is in the NY Times so I will consider the possibility this migrant is fictional. The stronger possibility is he thinks he can gut it out in Belarus for a few months and get into Germany, where he really wants to go sooner rather than later. If he had to spend a few years in Belarus, he may give up and end up back in Iraq instead.

  24. @kaganovitch
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Perhaps George Soros and Barbara Lerner Spectre could tell us why.

    The idea that George Soros is pro-Israel is laughable. He has often expressed his disdain for Nationalism in Israel as elsewhere. Netanyahu's public,vocal support for Viktor Orban in his Soros controversy is not because he thought Soros is a friend to Israel.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @JohnnyWalker123

    The idea that George Soros is pro-Israel is laughable. He has often expressed his disdain for Nationalism in Israel

    Citation needed.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous



    The idea that George Soros is pro-Israel is laughable. He has often expressed his disdain for Nationalism in Israel
     
    Citation needed.
     
    Actually, two. One for his own claim, and one for the claim he's rebutting.


    https://echoxrayniner.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/1983chevycitationx11-8.jpg?w=1560

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  25. @Hangnail Hans

    Having helped funnel desperate migrants to Europe’s doorstep
     
    In what continent is Belarus located? What country did the migrants traverse just before Belarus? Where is that country located?

    BTW, NYT: there's no such thing as "razor wire". There's barbed wire, and there's razor ribbon. Most likely you're thinking of the latter, which is not made of wire. HTH, NYT.

    Replies: @Boomthorkell

    Belarus (or rather, Lukashenko and his establishment), being based, worked to fly economic migrants in from the Middle East to use as a tool of vengeance against the EU which had been making threats against them (as the EU was mad Belarus hadn’t toppled into a fake and gay little Republic). Belarus specifically wanted to screw over Poland and Lithuania, who specifically had been working to support the rebels and protestors in Belarus (fifth columnists).

    Anyhow, I doubt Lukashenko will let the migrants stay for any period of time. Belarus is a functioning country with a security system it will happily apply to problem areas. The real issue though is that Belarus needs to rejoin Russia if it isn’t going to ultimately end up subsumed by the EU.

  26. Putin is monumentally stupid to do this. It has already cost him a lot of right wing support across the West. Increasingly, Putin and Russian outward directed media sound boomerish and out of touch.

    • Replies: @Matt Buckalew
    @ATBOTL

    It’s literally always been so. Lol Putin got absolutely worked by Victoria Nuland. Imagine losing Ukraine to that midwit.

  27. @kaganovitch
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Perhaps George Soros and Barbara Lerner Spectre could tell us why.

    The idea that George Soros is pro-Israel is laughable. He has often expressed his disdain for Nationalism in Israel as elsewhere. Netanyahu's public,vocal support for Viktor Orban in his Soros controversy is not because he thought Soros is a friend to Israel.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @JohnnyWalker123

    Perhaps, but there is this.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/berezovskyanism-in-usa/

    Berezovsky’s account had some holes, but he stuck to it his entire life. Whatever his exaggerations or omissions, he played a significant role in Russia’s transition from Boris Yeltsin to Putin. What strikes me is that years later — and up until his death — he still thought it had been a brilliant idea.

    Berezovsky claimed to have been the mastermind behind picking a man with no public face, a former K.G.B. agent, to succeed Yeltsin as the president of Russia. He also said it was his idea to manufacture an entire nonideological pseudo-political pseudo-movement to serve as the new president’s base of support. Berezovsky also had another brilliant idea, which to his regret Putin did not grasp: creating a fake two-party system, with Putin at the head of a socialist-democrat sort of party and Berezovsky leading a neoconservative one, or the other way around.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @JohnnyWalker123

    If I understand you correctly, you are arguing that Soros , of all people , is controlled opposition? I'm assuming this holds true in your mind only regarding Israel, not the rest of the World. In the rest of the World , he is the Prince of Darkness while in Israel he is controlled oppo. But the causes he supports in Israel (the vast majority are Palestinian NGOs and far left Israeli NGOs) are the very same things he supports in the rest of the World, i.e. the suppression of Nationalism and the appeal to supra-national quasi- governmental bodies guided by ostensibly "Liberal" and "Democratic" ideals/rules. What reason is there to assume that in Israel he is controlled oppo anymore than anywhere else? I know you have a conspiratorial mindset in general but this seems entirely unfounded.

  28. New developments:

    1. The migrants are now being repatriated from Belarus back to the
    Middle East. The first plane carrying 374 migrants already landed
    in Iraq. Cash incentives are being considered;

    2. The E.U. is planning to send \$800,000 to Belarus in humanitarian
    aid;

    3. In December Poland will start building a fortified border wall along
    its border with Belarus. British specialists are now in Poland to help
    with the construction. The wall should be completed by next summer;

    4. The Brits are reaching out to Poland. Should Poland leave the E.U.
    (which is unlikely at this point), it would immediately form a union
    with Britain. Out of roughly 900,000 Polish residents in the U.K.,
    about 200,000 have returned to Poland;

    5. There are at least 1.5 million Ukrainians working and studying in
    Poland. In addition, thousands of Russians and Belarusians have also
    moved to Poland. Many are vlogging in Russian or even in Polish about
    their new life. They can’t believe how clean, kept up, and in general
    civilized Poland is compared to Ukraine or Russia. Poland’s GDP (PPP)
    per capita is now \$37,323, significantly higher than Russia’s \$29,485.
    Long-distance truckers say that Poland is now cleaner than Germany,
    and, of course, France or Britain were never known for cleanliness.
    Britain paid a horrendous price for being a pioneer in Industrial Revolution.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    @Anon 2


    Long-distance truckers say that Poland is now cleaner than Germany,
     
    Interesting, because Germany has been dumping their hazardous waste there for decades.

    Replies: @Anon 2

    , @Zoos
    @Anon 2


    5. There are at least 1.5 million Ukrainians working and studying in
    Poland. In addition, thousands of Russians and Belarusians have also
    moved to Poland. Many are vlogging in Russian or even in Polish about
    their new life. They can’t believe how clean, kept up, and in general
    civilized Poland is compared to Ukraine or Russia. Poland’s GDP (PPP)
    per capita is now $37,323, significantly higher than Russia’s $29,485.
    Long-distance truckers say that Poland is now cleaner than Germany,
    and, of course, France or Britain were never known for cleanliness.
    Britain paid a horrendous price for being a pioneer in Industrial Revolution.
     
    I believe historic illiteracy is in part to blame for the attempted casting of Poland as some kind of villain in all this. People either don’t know, or take for granted that Poland essentially hosted WWII. people mostly think of a defeated and occupied France when they think of WWII, but France was just a lounge area for the Germans. While there was a French resistance force, many more French than the media would admit were copacetic with Germany's long-term goals. Most people don’t know that the last division left protecting Hitler in his bunker was a division of Frenchmen.

    Poland, on the other hand, was the punching bag for both Russia AND Germany. The first thing both sides did was eliminate Polish artists and intellectuals, anyone with half a brain that they could get their hands on, by the tens of thousands. The Jews were not much help to the Poles. They had their own problems.

    Then, after Poland received their major existential ass kicking to beat the band, they were left occupied by the sociopathic Russians, despite the fact that WWII was solely predicated on… the invasion of Poland!

    So… after all that, and with Poland's continual struggle, has managed to get back to even better than what they once were, when you see Poland's reaction to savage and/or primitive interlopers, after ALL the horrendous shit they endured in the last century, you might consider looking on with compassion for the poles, and disdain for the pointless primitives who are simply looking for a warm place to take a shit. There’s plenty of warm shitholes in Belarus.

    , @Anon
    @Anon 2

    IMF estimates Poland's GDP (PPP) per capita to be 35,957 in 2021 and Russia's 29,485. It isn't a huge difference.

    I have seen Ukrainians vlogging from Poland in Russian, but not actual Russians. Can you name a few?

    Source of the data showing a recent migration of Russians in thousands to Poland would also be appreciated.

  29. I know most of the people on this site got there way before me (and I’m old enough to have known better), but holy shit they’re just saying out loud in the NYT — in the headline — that immigration sucks for you if you live in this other country but somehow not in America.

    I just keeping swinging wildly back and forth between “I want to fight to save my country while I can” and “Fuck America, it’s not my country anymore.”

  30. @Escher
    @Dave Pinsen

    Because America (or American policies at least) played a significant part in the destruction of their home countries.
    Bombing and funding terrorists in faraway lands: the gift that keeps on giving.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Because America (or American policies at least) played a significant part in the destruction of their home countries.

    How does one destroy a 💩🕳 in the first place?

    • Replies: @Escher
    @Reg Cæsar

    I don’t know. The Syrians and other middle eastern people seemed reasonably happy in their so-called 💩 🕳s till the western powers decided that Saddam, Assad and Qaddafi had to go.

  31. @Anonymous
    @kaganovitch


    The idea that George Soros is pro-Israel is laughable. He has often expressed his disdain for Nationalism in Israel
     
    Citation needed.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The idea that George Soros is pro-Israel is laughable. He has often expressed his disdain for Nationalism in Israel

    Citation needed.

    Actually, two. One for his own claim, and one for the claim he’s rebutting.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Reg Cæsar

    If I remember my Chevy Citation correctly, it was like the Vega; you never wanted more than one.

  32. Anonymous[332] • Disclaimer says:

    Of course, in the UK, the moment a ‘refugee’ is picked up and taxied in by the authorities from the English Channel, he is immediately put up in a four or five star hotel at British taxpayers’ expense. Believe it or not, some ‘refugees’ have moaned about this being not good enough for them.
    Also, from the moment their feet touch British soil they are ‘fully entitled’ to free health care, cash stipends, free education etc, and are on fast track to receive a council house, once on becomes available. Council houses – with free rent, of course, are built to high standards and are, it goes without saying, maintained free of charge. The ‘refugees’ go straight to the top f the council house waiting list, jumping above natives who have been on the waiting list for *decades* in many cases. What’s more, the council house can be ‘passed on’ to their children.

    So called ‘human rights’ laws demand ‘family reunification’ to be obeyed. This combined with ‘arranged marriages’ will eventually ensure that whole familis, tribes, village, counties – and nations! – are eventually transplanted to Britain from the one ‘seed’ ‘refugee’.

    Now you know why they are fighting so hard to bum rush the Polish border, and dash across the English Channel.

    • Agree: NickG
  33. @JohnnyWalker123
    @kaganovitch

    Perhaps, but there is this.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/berezovskyanism-in-usa/


    Berezovsky’s account had some holes, but he stuck to it his entire life. Whatever his exaggerations or omissions, he played a significant role in Russia’s transition from Boris Yeltsin to Putin. What strikes me is that years later — and up until his death — he still thought it had been a brilliant idea.

     


    Berezovsky claimed to have been the mastermind behind picking a man with no public face, a former K.G.B. agent, to succeed Yeltsin as the president of Russia. He also said it was his idea to manufacture an entire nonideological pseudo-political pseudo-movement to serve as the new president’s base of support. Berezovsky also had another brilliant idea, which to his regret Putin did not grasp: creating a fake two-party system, with Putin at the head of a socialist-democrat sort of party and Berezovsky leading a neoconservative one, or the other way around.
     

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    If I understand you correctly, you are arguing that Soros , of all people , is controlled opposition? I’m assuming this holds true in your mind only regarding Israel, not the rest of the World. In the rest of the World , he is the Prince of Darkness while in Israel he is controlled oppo. But the causes he supports in Israel (the vast majority are Palestinian NGOs and far left Israeli NGOs) are the very same things he supports in the rest of the World, i.e. the suppression of Nationalism and the appeal to supra-national quasi- governmental bodies guided by ostensibly “Liberal” and “Democratic” ideals/rules. What reason is there to assume that in Israel he is controlled oppo anymore than anywhere else? I know you have a conspiratorial mindset in general but this seems entirely unfounded.

  34. @JohnnyWalker123
    It's odd that none of these refugees are ever resettled in affluent&safe Israel, which is right next door. They must travel thousands of miles to cold, faraway lands.

    Odd.

    Perhaps George Soros and Barbara Lerner Spectre could tell us why.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @inertial, @Art Deco

    It’s odd that none of these refugees are ever resettled in affluent&safe Israel, which is right next door. They must travel thousands of miles to cold, faraway lands.

    Israel’s not next door to Kurdistan. Israel is next door to Jordan and Egypt; neither is a refugee generator. Israel is next door to Syria; five countries border on Syria; Israel ranks fourth among them in its population, 5th in its Arab population, and 5th in the length of its common land border with Syria.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Art Deco

    'Israel’s not next door to Kurdistan. Israel is next door to Jordan and Egypt; neither is a refugee generator. Israel is next door to Syria; five countries border on Syria; Israel ranks fourth among them in its population, 5th in its Arab population, and 5th in the length of its common land border with Syria.'

    Care to give us a count on how many Syrian refugees it's taken in?

    Turkey's about four million, I believe. Jordan, a million? Lebanon -- a lot.

    Israel?

    , @Wilkey
    @Art Deco


    Israel ranks fourth among them in its population, 5th in its Arab population, and 5th in the length of its common land border with Syria.
     
    How long is Hungary’s common land border with Syria? Or Sweden’s or Poland’s or the UK’s? How long is America’s common land border with Haiti or El Salvador? How long is Australia’s common land border with Sri Lanka?

    The point, of course, is that Israel has taken in exactly zero Syrian refugees except, perhaps, for the few random Jews still in Syria.

    Israel is far richer than the East European nations who were literally excoriated for putting up fences to keep Middle Eastern and Central Asian invaders out.
  35. @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous



    The idea that George Soros is pro-Israel is laughable. He has often expressed his disdain for Nationalism in Israel
     
    Citation needed.
     
    Actually, two. One for his own claim, and one for the claim he's rebutting.


    https://echoxrayniner.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/1983chevycitationx11-8.jpg?w=1560

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    If I remember my Chevy Citation correctly, it was like the Vega; you never wanted more than one.

    • Agree: Not Raul
  36. @The Alarmist
    If Luka is a Soviet-style baddie, these folks will simply vanish.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted

    Lucky for the fugees that Katyn is way over in Big Russia, six/seven hour drive from Poland.

  37. @Anon 2
    New developments:

    1. The migrants are now being repatriated from Belarus back to the
    Middle East. The first plane carrying 374 migrants already landed
    in Iraq. Cash incentives are being considered;

    2. The E.U. is planning to send $800,000 to Belarus in humanitarian
    aid;

    3. In December Poland will start building a fortified border wall along
    its border with Belarus. British specialists are now in Poland to help
    with the construction. The wall should be completed by next summer;

    4. The Brits are reaching out to Poland. Should Poland leave the E.U.
    (which is unlikely at this point), it would immediately form a union
    with Britain. Out of roughly 900,000 Polish residents in the U.K.,
    about 200,000 have returned to Poland;

    5. There are at least 1.5 million Ukrainians working and studying in
    Poland. In addition, thousands of Russians and Belarusians have also
    moved to Poland. Many are vlogging in Russian or even in Polish about
    their new life. They can’t believe how clean, kept up, and in general
    civilized Poland is compared to Ukraine or Russia. Poland’s GDP (PPP)
    per capita is now $37,323, significantly higher than Russia’s $29,485.
    Long-distance truckers say that Poland is now cleaner than Germany,
    and, of course, France or Britain were never known for cleanliness.
    Britain paid a horrendous price for being a pioneer in Industrial Revolution.

    Replies: @RobinG, @Zoos, @Anon

    Long-distance truckers say that Poland is now cleaner than Germany,

    Interesting, because Germany has been dumping their hazardous waste there for decades.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    @RobinG

    Anyone who’s lived in Germany for several decades,
    and I know people like that, will tell you that Germany
    has deteriorated in recent years. Moreover, inviting
    the Turks in the 1960s, and Merkel inviting a million
    Muslim migrants in 2015 (without consulting with the rest
    of the E.U.) were not only a direct attack on Europe
    but also on the European Christendom.

    But then again what can you expect from a country like
    Germany that practiced slavery as recently as in 1945?

    Replies: @Bill Jones

  38. Poland sounds nice.

    And Poland–and Europe–is certainly very, very, very fortunate that it has the quasi-soft-nationalist PIS in there instead of the neoliberals. (The end of our “nation building” and welfare state for elites in Afghanistan has the potential to really kick off another refuge gold-rush for Europe.)

    I wish the Poles well. Very much hope they continue to hold the line and this episode strengthens the forces of goodness and sanity against the baddies–Soros, the minoritarians, the neoliberal “democrats” against democracy.

    But … i’m not a Pole. I need an American elite–at least one party!–that cares about the American nation. Instead we’ve got nation wreckers in charge.

    And the problem with preserving a nation is you can’t do … 50% of the time, or even 90% of the time. To preserve a nation you need to be preserving it all the time–24x7x365. And we can’t even get it preserved half the time.

  39. Anonymous[950] • Disclaimer says:
    @michael droy
    A kurd spending $4000 to travel to Europe is not "Desperate". He is an economic migrant. Like nearly all of them. Which I fully understand but lets not pretend it is different.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    A kurd spending \$4000 to travel to Europe is not “Desperate”. He is an economic migrant. Like nearly all of them. Which I fully understand but lets not pretend it is different.

    Americans used to have a term for them: Carpetbaggers.

    That’s also why America enjoys mounting waves of “Latino refugees” who are clinically obese. An historic first for “desperate refugees.”

    Because their citizenry is so embarrassingly fat, Mexico must be doing SOMEthing right, but we actively siphon off Mexico’s brain pool to ensure that country remains retarded for generations to come, full of fat dumb bunnies who are “too dumb to leave,” rather than them allowing Mexico to grow a pool of intelligent, active Mexicans who, if they couldn’t easily abandon their country, might take an interest in making it better.

    • Agree: Clyde
    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Anonymous


    That’s also why America enjoys mounting waves of “Latino refugees” who are clinically obese. An historic first for “desperate refugees.”
     
    So how about a new law or regulation that no refugees, immigrants, asylum seekers will be allowed in, who are above a certain number on the Body mass index (BMI) We can rename this to the Burrito Mass Index

    Easy BMI calculator https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/educational/lose_wt/BMI/bmicalc.htm
  40. @Anon 2
    New developments:

    1. The migrants are now being repatriated from Belarus back to the
    Middle East. The first plane carrying 374 migrants already landed
    in Iraq. Cash incentives are being considered;

    2. The E.U. is planning to send $800,000 to Belarus in humanitarian
    aid;

    3. In December Poland will start building a fortified border wall along
    its border with Belarus. British specialists are now in Poland to help
    with the construction. The wall should be completed by next summer;

    4. The Brits are reaching out to Poland. Should Poland leave the E.U.
    (which is unlikely at this point), it would immediately form a union
    with Britain. Out of roughly 900,000 Polish residents in the U.K.,
    about 200,000 have returned to Poland;

    5. There are at least 1.5 million Ukrainians working and studying in
    Poland. In addition, thousands of Russians and Belarusians have also
    moved to Poland. Many are vlogging in Russian or even in Polish about
    their new life. They can’t believe how clean, kept up, and in general
    civilized Poland is compared to Ukraine or Russia. Poland’s GDP (PPP)
    per capita is now $37,323, significantly higher than Russia’s $29,485.
    Long-distance truckers say that Poland is now cleaner than Germany,
    and, of course, France or Britain were never known for cleanliness.
    Britain paid a horrendous price for being a pioneer in Industrial Revolution.

    Replies: @RobinG, @Zoos, @Anon

    5. There are at least 1.5 million Ukrainians working and studying in
    Poland. In addition, thousands of Russians and Belarusians have also
    moved to Poland. Many are vlogging in Russian or even in Polish about
    their new life. They can’t believe how clean, kept up, and in general
    civilized Poland is compared to Ukraine or Russia. Poland’s GDP (PPP)
    per capita is now \$37,323, significantly higher than Russia’s \$29,485.
    Long-distance truckers say that Poland is now cleaner than Germany,
    and, of course, France or Britain were never known for cleanliness.
    Britain paid a horrendous price for being a pioneer in Industrial Revolution.

    I believe historic illiteracy is in part to blame for the attempted casting of Poland as some kind of villain in all this. People either don’t know, or take for granted that Poland essentially hosted WWII. people mostly think of a defeated and occupied France when they think of WWII, but France was just a lounge area for the Germans. While there was a French resistance force, many more French than the media would admit were copacetic with Germany’s long-term goals. Most people don’t know that the last division left protecting Hitler in his bunker was a division of Frenchmen.

    Poland, on the other hand, was the punching bag for both Russia AND Germany. The first thing both sides did was eliminate Polish artists and intellectuals, anyone with half a brain that they could get their hands on, by the tens of thousands. The Jews were not much help to the Poles. They had their own problems.

    Then, after Poland received their major existential ass kicking to beat the band, they were left occupied by the sociopathic Russians, despite the fact that WWII was solely predicated on… the invasion of Poland!

    So… after all that, and with Poland’s continual struggle, has managed to get back to even better than what they once were, when you see Poland’s reaction to savage and/or primitive interlopers, after ALL the horrendous shit they endured in the last century, you might consider looking on with compassion for the poles, and disdain for the pointless primitives who are simply looking for a warm place to take a shit. There’s plenty of warm shitholes in Belarus.

    • Agree: Clyde
  41. @Art Deco
    @JohnnyWalker123

    It’s odd that none of these refugees are ever resettled in affluent&safe Israel, which is right next door. They must travel thousands of miles to cold, faraway lands.

    Israel's not next door to Kurdistan. Israel is next door to Jordan and Egypt; neither is a refugee generator. Israel is next door to Syria; five countries border on Syria; Israel ranks fourth among them in its population, 5th in its Arab population, and 5th in the length of its common land border with Syria.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Wilkey

    ‘Israel’s not next door to Kurdistan. Israel is next door to Jordan and Egypt; neither is a refugee generator. Israel is next door to Syria; five countries border on Syria; Israel ranks fourth among them in its population, 5th in its Arab population, and 5th in the length of its common land border with Syria.’

    Care to give us a count on how many Syrian refugees it’s taken in?

    Turkey’s about four million, I believe. Jordan, a million? Lebanon — a lot.

    Israel?

    • Agree: Not Raul
  42. @RobinG
    @Anon 2


    Long-distance truckers say that Poland is now cleaner than Germany,
     
    Interesting, because Germany has been dumping their hazardous waste there for decades.

    Replies: @Anon 2

    Anyone who’s lived in Germany for several decades,
    and I know people like that, will tell you that Germany
    has deteriorated in recent years. Moreover, inviting
    the Turks in the 1960s, and Merkel inviting a million
    Muslim migrants in 2015 (without consulting with the rest
    of the E.U.) were not only a direct attack on Europe
    but also on the European Christendom.

    But then again what can you expect from a country like
    Germany that practiced slavery as recently as in 1945?

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Anon 2


    practiced slavery as recently as in 1945
     
    So Eisenhower's German slave labor camps of 1945-1948 don't count?

    Or were they American slave labor camps?
  43. The ‘borrowed knife’ strategy fails again.

    People never learn.

  44. @ATBOTL
    Putin is monumentally stupid to do this. It has already cost him a lot of right wing support across the West. Increasingly, Putin and Russian outward directed media sound boomerish and out of touch.

    Replies: @Matt Buckalew

    It’s literally always been so. Lol Putin got absolutely worked by Victoria Nuland. Imagine losing Ukraine to that midwit.

  45. @Anonymous
    @michael droy


    A kurd spending $4000 to travel to Europe is not “Desperate”. He is an economic migrant. Like nearly all of them. Which I fully understand but lets not pretend it is different.
     
    Americans used to have a term for them: Carpetbaggers.

    That’s also why America enjoys mounting waves of "Latino refugees" who are clinically obese. An historic first for "desperate refugees."

    Because their citizenry is so embarrassingly fat, Mexico must be doing SOMEthing right, but we actively siphon off Mexico's brain pool to ensure that country remains retarded for generations to come, full of fat dumb bunnies who are "too dumb to leave," rather than them allowing Mexico to grow a pool of intelligent, active Mexicans who, if they couldn’t easily abandon their country, might take an interest in making it better.

    Replies: @Clyde

    That’s also why America enjoys mounting waves of “Latino refugees” who are clinically obese. An historic first for “desperate refugees.”

    So how about a new law or regulation that no refugees, immigrants, asylum seekers will be allowed in, who are above a certain number on the Body mass index (BMI) We can rename this to the Burrito Mass Index

    Easy BMI calculator https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/educational/lose_wt/BMI/bmicalc.htm

  46. Long-distance truckers say that Poland is now cleaner than Germany…

    Well, so much for those jokes about Poles being dumb, slow, weak, and slovenly…

    • Agree: TitusAlone
  47. I’ll just stay here,” Mr. Nisu said Wednesday

    It’s still just mid November. Let’s see how he’s liking Belarus in January.

  48. My father-in-law lives in Belarus much of the year. He has some businesses, a hotel there, in Verkhnedvinsk (he’s from there).

    I visited once around 10 years ago. It was summertime, nice, stays light out until 10 at night, kids swimming in the Dvina river. We drove to Minsk and took an overnight train to Moscow.

    I remember seeing a TGI Friday’s in Minsk. I thought of all the American chains, that was pretty unexpected. And on the train we chatted with guys in a rock band, and the bassist asked me “Is Brian Setzer huge star in America?”

    It was a nice place to visit. We stopped by the side of the road to buy a bucket of chanterelle mushrooms and a bucket of gooseberries for about \$2 from some old babushkas. But my father-in-law said it is hard to find workers.

    • Thanks: TitusAlone
    • Replies: @RobinG
    @hhsiii


    ... my father-in-law said it is hard to find workers.
     
    Do you know why that is? I mean, is it low unemployment, or that he can't find the type of skill he wants, or what?

    Replies: @Hhsiii

  49. @inertial
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Wait, are you saying Israel is safe for Muslims? I thought they are being genocided there.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘Wait, are you saying Israel is safe for Muslims? I thought they are being genocided there.’

    It’s not safe. Unlike as with Syria’s other neighbors, the Muslims (and Christians) of Syria will be shot if they try to cross Israel’s border.

  50. @Anon 2
    @RobinG

    Anyone who’s lived in Germany for several decades,
    and I know people like that, will tell you that Germany
    has deteriorated in recent years. Moreover, inviting
    the Turks in the 1960s, and Merkel inviting a million
    Muslim migrants in 2015 (without consulting with the rest
    of the E.U.) were not only a direct attack on Europe
    but also on the European Christendom.

    But then again what can you expect from a country like
    Germany that practiced slavery as recently as in 1945?

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    practiced slavery as recently as in 1945

    So Eisenhower’s German slave labor camps of 1945-1948 don’t count?

    Or were they American slave labor camps?

  51. Anon[125] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon 2
    New developments:

    1. The migrants are now being repatriated from Belarus back to the
    Middle East. The first plane carrying 374 migrants already landed
    in Iraq. Cash incentives are being considered;

    2. The E.U. is planning to send $800,000 to Belarus in humanitarian
    aid;

    3. In December Poland will start building a fortified border wall along
    its border with Belarus. British specialists are now in Poland to help
    with the construction. The wall should be completed by next summer;

    4. The Brits are reaching out to Poland. Should Poland leave the E.U.
    (which is unlikely at this point), it would immediately form a union
    with Britain. Out of roughly 900,000 Polish residents in the U.K.,
    about 200,000 have returned to Poland;

    5. There are at least 1.5 million Ukrainians working and studying in
    Poland. In addition, thousands of Russians and Belarusians have also
    moved to Poland. Many are vlogging in Russian or even in Polish about
    their new life. They can’t believe how clean, kept up, and in general
    civilized Poland is compared to Ukraine or Russia. Poland’s GDP (PPP)
    per capita is now $37,323, significantly higher than Russia’s $29,485.
    Long-distance truckers say that Poland is now cleaner than Germany,
    and, of course, France or Britain were never known for cleanliness.
    Britain paid a horrendous price for being a pioneer in Industrial Revolution.

    Replies: @RobinG, @Zoos, @Anon

    IMF estimates Poland’s GDP (PPP) per capita to be 35,957 in 2021 and Russia’s 29,485. It isn’t a huge difference.

    I have seen Ukrainians vlogging from Poland in Russian, but not actual Russians. Can you name a few?

    Source of the data showing a recent migration of Russians in thousands to Poland would also be appreciated.

  52. @Bill P
    The guys who want to stay in Belarus probably have people who want to kill them back home. I've long wanted to visit Belarus to see the wisents and spend some time in the European wilderness, but I don't know how on earth I could make a living there. What's an Iraqi Muslim going to do? Sell kebab on a Minsk street corner in -20 degree weather and make $200/month? Does he know what Belarusian welfare is like? Not sure these guys know what they're getting into.

    Replies: @Barnard, @TitusAlone, @Johann Ricke

    I agree with your point, in general, but there’s always those “fetch and carry” – servant type jobs – which are the staple for immigrants in countries without welfare. Like Irishmen working on the docks, and their women as servants – a cheap servant was called “a Bridget” in the 19th century.

  53. @hhsiii
    My father-in-law lives in Belarus much of the year. He has some businesses, a hotel there, in Verkhnedvinsk (he's from there).

    I visited once around 10 years ago. It was summertime, nice, stays light out until 10 at night, kids swimming in the Dvina river. We drove to Minsk and took an overnight train to Moscow.

    I remember seeing a TGI Friday's in Minsk. I thought of all the American chains, that was pretty unexpected. And on the train we chatted with guys in a rock band, and the bassist asked me "Is Brian Setzer huge star in America?"

    It was a nice place to visit. We stopped by the side of the road to buy a bucket of chanterelle mushrooms and a bucket of gooseberries for about $2 from some old babushkas. But my father-in-law said it is hard to find workers.

    Replies: @RobinG

    … my father-in-law said it is hard to find workers.

    Do you know why that is? I mean, is it low unemployment, or that he can’t find the type of skill he wants, or what?

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    @RobinG

    People don’t have much work ethic. They drink or steal, or will work a few days then not show up.

  54. @Batman
    Expelling unwanted migrants is extremely easy. Make it known among everyone in the country that you'll pay a $1000 bounty for each illegal immigrant turned in to the police. Promise to do something horrible to each migrant if they're turned in (long periods of hard labor incarceration, summary execution, whatever you want). Migrants, being rational people, will all self deport.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted

    Would slavery finally turn a profit? Get those buggers digging up the cuttings for Boris’s already failed HS2 line to .. somewhere.

  55. @Reg Cæsar
    @Escher


    Because America (or American policies at least) played a significant part in the destruction of their home countries.
     
    How does one destroy a 💩🕳 in the first place?

    Replies: @Escher

    I don’t know. The Syrians and other middle eastern people seemed reasonably happy in their so-called 💩 🕳s till the western powers decided that Saddam, Assad and Qaddafi had to go.

    • Agree: RobinG
  56. @RobinG
    @hhsiii


    ... my father-in-law said it is hard to find workers.
     
    Do you know why that is? I mean, is it low unemployment, or that he can't find the type of skill he wants, or what?

    Replies: @Hhsiii

    People don’t have much work ethic. They drink or steal, or will work a few days then not show up.

  57. @Bill P
    The guys who want to stay in Belarus probably have people who want to kill them back home. I've long wanted to visit Belarus to see the wisents and spend some time in the European wilderness, but I don't know how on earth I could make a living there. What's an Iraqi Muslim going to do? Sell kebab on a Minsk street corner in -20 degree weather and make $200/month? Does he know what Belarusian welfare is like? Not sure these guys know what they're getting into.

    Replies: @Barnard, @TitusAlone, @Johann Ricke

    The guys who want to stay in Belarus probably have people who want to kill them back home.

    My suspicion is that while Belarus is no paradise, it might be a better place than Iraq, which is rife with all kinds of political and sectarian conflicts that lead to random, completely out of the blue brushes with death where the entire family gets to roll the dice.

  58. @Art Deco
    @JohnnyWalker123

    It’s odd that none of these refugees are ever resettled in affluent&safe Israel, which is right next door. They must travel thousands of miles to cold, faraway lands.

    Israel's not next door to Kurdistan. Israel is next door to Jordan and Egypt; neither is a refugee generator. Israel is next door to Syria; five countries border on Syria; Israel ranks fourth among them in its population, 5th in its Arab population, and 5th in the length of its common land border with Syria.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Wilkey

    Israel ranks fourth among them in its population, 5th in its Arab population, and 5th in the length of its common land border with Syria.

    How long is Hungary’s common land border with Syria? Or Sweden’s or Poland’s or the UK’s? How long is America’s common land border with Haiti or El Salvador? How long is Australia’s common land border with Sri Lanka?

    The point, of course, is that Israel has taken in exactly zero Syrian refugees except, perhaps, for the few random Jews still in Syria.

    Israel is far richer than the East European nations who were literally excoriated for putting up fences to keep Middle Eastern and Central Asian invaders out.

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