You’d better not draw any conclusions from the victim’s choice of ski apparel in July in Akron.

Plenty of people wear ski masks all of the time – in fact, it is a cultural practice going back to the downhill slopes of Africa before the white man enslaved Walker’s people.

The unconscious connotation of “Walker” is that of a peaceable fellow. You pay the price if you shoot a jogger, and you pay the price if you shoot a fellow named Walker.

The police need to get a case of the “Blue Flu” in the entire country and not come to work for a few weeks. Watch how fast White Leftists beg for the police to return and save them from immediate physical harm from their favorite “Peeps”.

I think this is a case of “Negros gonna Negro”.

What’s disappointing is it took 8 cops to bring him down. Makes Akron cops look like pussies.

I know that I’m preaching to the choir here, but I need to boil this down to its essence just to be clear…

– Police make a “routine” traffic stop of car driven by a VBIPOC

– Gunfire from the car so VBIPOC obviously has a gun

– VBIPOC takes off running in a ski mask

– Police try to get VBIPOC with the taser and it doesn’t work

– ?????

– Cops pump VBIPOC full of lead

– A gun is found in the car later with a loaded magazine next to it and a spent shell casing and no one disputes that the gun belonged to the VBIPOC

– Nonetheless, “many” “questions” about the shooting are “deepened” now that we have a video of the incident of cops shooting an unarmed VBIPOC..

Do I have that right?

I have to say, taking the mag out of the gun and leaving it there while you make a run for it is brilliant service to the narrative: the gun wasn’t loaded and the suspect was unarmed when he was shot, so naturally the story is about racist cops.

Just totally brilliant. Give him a posthumous award of some kind for his service to the press.

It’s a bad shooting.

Gun probably went off when he put it down.

I no longer want to channel Kipling and “Take up the white man’s burden”.

If blacks think it’s peachy to blow off police stops and trade a little gunfire–have at it.

But in their neighborhoods, not mine.

What I want is conservative politicians who will point this out”: There can only be one–one–set of common public norms. I was born in America and I expect to live in a community with standard American (Western Christian civilization) norms. There’s another hundred million other Americans who feel more or less the same. If various whiny minorities are unhappy with those norms … fine. (I have no wish to impose mine upon them.) We can have separate communities or go all out and have separate nations. But my people want–and deserve to have–civilization. Our civilization. You don’t like it–f’off.

That’s the messaging necessary. The only messaging from a “conservative” that’s worth hearing.

No reason to punish the whole country. Simply withdraw coverage from the communities loudly demanding it. Seems simple enough!

Also, ignore them when they later claim that they’ve changed their minds.

As the chase continued, the footage shows an officer saying that Mr. Walker’s car is slowing down. Seconds later, Mr. Walker, wearing a ski mask, exits the vehicle and begins to flee on foot.

I myself typically wear a ski mask while driving in the summertime. Doesn’t everyone?

The genie of race riots won’t go back in the bottle. The only way to prevent it is to muzzle the media who stir this up. Maybe the dems aren’t radical enough for some journalists so it’s their way of saying “do what I want or we can burn this place down.”

Seconds later, Mr. Walker, wearing a ski mask, exits the vehicle and begins to flee on foot.

I always wear a ski mask when I am in Ohio in late June. It’s true that Ohio is awfully flat and usually hot in June, but nowadays with climate change, you never know when a ski mountain might spring up overnight and you wouldn’t want to get frostbite. If I kept the ski mask on the seat or in my pocket, I might forget to wear it, so I just wear it at all times.

Also, did you know that you have a Constitutional right to run away when the police pull your car over? Well, you don’t, but black people do.

Police officers had initially deployed Tasers but were unsuccessful

Yet again! They need to up the voltage on those things from ‘pain compliance’ to ‘agony compliance’. Or switch to using tranquilizer guns with ketamine-tipped darts.

The unconscious connotation of “Walker” is that of a peaceable fellow. You pay the price if you shoot a jogger, and you pay the price if you shoot a fellow named Walker.

Chuck Norris never forgives … or forgets.

You know who else is unarmed? Petra, the mascot of the 1992 Paralympics:

(Oscar Pistorius is unleggèd.)

Petra and Cobi have since settled into a comfortable proletarian existence in the Barcelona ‘burbs.

Plenty of people wear ski masks all of the time

Didn’t we all, the last two summers?

They shot him for wearing a ski mask? For a traffic violation? Was he thought to have hurt anyone?
Akron must be some tough town. Drive safely!

Smokes! Those cops really turned Mr. Walker into a sieve.

I’m down on black criminality, but all that gunfire seems excessive, though it did get the job done.

Most street cops have horrible gun discipline. It sure sounds to me like the Walker shooting was justified, but 60+ hits is WAY too excessive when you consider how many rounds must have missed. I’d be willing to bet they fired at LEAST triple that number.

Cops tend to pop off like drunken cowboys any time they think they might have a reason to shoot. There was a case in Cleveland a few years back when a car two blacks were driving backfired. Thinking they were getting shot at, the cops went on a wild chase, shooting over 100 rounds and ending the chase by standing on the hood of the car, shooting 25 rounds each into the driver and the passenger through the windshield. Both turned out to be unarmed.

Oops!

Liberals are fond of saying that “nobody needs” high-capacity magazines and “assault weapons.” If that’s true, then start by prohibiting the cops from having them.

Restrict all cops to .38 revolvers and pump-action shotguns and they might be more judicious about how often they pull the trigger. I know blacks are dangerous but if the cops can’t stop one with less than 60 rounds they need a new career.

From the first bodycam it looked like a good shooting. The perp was believed to be armed and was fleeing, then he seemed to turn on the cop.

The problem was that every single one of the eight (or however many) cops all had the same reaction — which was to empty their clips on the guy. So it looks like a lot of overkill, including after he was already down.

Once the guy has been shot, should it matter if his dead body is riddled with extra bullets? Logically, no. But the optics aren’t good.

I guess when the adrenaline kicks in these guys can’t stop shooting. I wonder if that’s how they are trained.

Akron has the worst weather in Ohio. It is close enough to Lake Erie to get lake effect snow in winter and extra humidity in the summer, but far enough away it doesn’t get the temperature moderation of the lake.

Tomorrow the low/high is 67-87 in nearby Cleveland but 62-92 in Akron.

I have no problem with this.

In fact, I’d like to see anyone who flees a traffic stop and fires on police shot dead. The number of rounds fired is immaterial, as long as no innocent bystanders are injured.

And we should make sure everyone knows that this is an acceptable outcome; eventually it may deter future criminal activity.

RIP Mr.Walker, but his death aside, has there ever been a better time to be black in America. And we haven’t even started official reparations, just things like \$50 million dollar hand outs to blacks in Buffalo by Gov. hochul.

Well, another “heartbroken” ghetto lottery winner – step right up. A largely worthless spade in life, but a goldmine for the fambly in death. Ain’t America great?

This is how this shite gets out of control. How did a simple traffic stop eventually involve EIGHT cops firing off a reported 90 shots? Last time I got pulled over, it was one dumpy donut-boy waddling up to my door and demanding my paperwork. How in hell did this escalate into EIGHT COPS?

Yeah, awful optics. I know what kind of feral animals blacks are, typically, but why did a traffic stop end up with so many sharpshooters filling the air with lead? More details are needed, and quickly, please. There is an entire demographic who will never contribute a member to Mensa just itching to loot Walgreen’s over how bad this looks.

Agreed, the overkill aspect feeds right into the crazed-racist-cop thing our MSM are always promoting.

Once the guy has been shot, should it matter if his dead body is riddled with extra bullets? Logically, no. But the optics aren’t good.

As we learned from FloydFest, optics are everything.

From just yesterday, a case the MSM saw fit to ignore, and there are thousands of cases like this every year….not fitting that Narrative thing.

July 3, 2022 at 1:50 am GMT • 1.1 days ago ↑

https://mountainmedianews.com/police-suspect-shot-outside-northern-virginia-mall-dies/

Inexplicably, no “mostly peaceful protests” no mass media frenzy, no politicians chiming in, no Twitter mobs. Nothing.

What on earth could be the explanation

Did you miss the part about him firing on the cops? That often irritates cops for some reason. Even though according to the NYT he was unarmed….a conundrum of sorts.

From the first bodycam it looked like a good shooting.

A good shooting? They look like a bunch of panicky bridge ladies.

AHHHH NEGRO!!!!!! UNLOAD ALL WEAPONS!!!!!!

The perp was believed to be armed and was fleeing, then he seemed to turn on the cop.

He didn’t have a gun on him. We can’t allow the standard to be that they can shoot if someone turns back towards them.

Once the guy has been shot, should it matter if his dead body is riddled with extra bullets? Logically, no. But the optics aren’t good.

They put 60 bullets in him and then left him handcuffed for the medics.

Yes the optics aren’t good. Understatement of the year.

This is shame on the badge. I usually side with the police in these cases but not this time. That was a reckless and unnecessary volley of shots. It is reported that one of them even reloaded.

At this point, in Clown-World America, I have no sympathy for either the valedictorian criminal perp or the bullet-headed trigger-happy cops. The perp is probably bad news and always will be (or rather, would have been). The Cops are the sort of people who will do whatever TPTB tell them to do, no matter how stupid, evil, and/or totalitarian it might be.

Burn, Baby, Burn! Let it all burn.

You’re on your own. Act accordingly.

Restrict all cops to .38 revolvers and pump-action shotguns and they might be more judicious about how often they pull the trigger. I know blacks are dangerous but if the cops can’t stop one with less than 60 rounds they need a new career.

No, dum dum.

A hard-won lesson learned by North Hollywood Police is they must be armed to answer most contingencies.

In any extistential contest with criminals, police lives always come first.

Once a police officer is compelled to believe his life is in mortal danger, he can unload his weapon of all bullets at his discretion. Your sense of propriety is based on movies, not real life. Real life can carry dire consequences for police officers, who have a right to not be shot by a gin-wielding criminal at all times.

Now sit back down in that arm-chair, shut up, and drink your cheap beer.

Good stop.

Lots of ammo to be sure he was down.

A righteous shooting.

I have no sympathy for anyone that plays real life GTA.

But this type of shooting is exactly what feeds clown world and keeps it going.

They need these types of shootings to support that narrative that White racism is the problem.

Race Doth Not Exist so we need to do something about the Evil Whites that are holding down the Bantu.

The original taser (as seen in the Dirty Harry sequel) worked fine, but its company failed, and it got bought out by an inferior competitor. The present iteration needs unrealistic distance to build up energy. Cops either ignore that or simply cannot provide it. The guy you want to tase tends to neither stand still nor keep the manufacturer-mandated distance.

The funniest thing about this whole manufactured controversy is that real blacks worship brutality. If there was a cop who left people alone unless they crossed a certain line, and then he produces a flammenwerfer, he would be their hero.

Seriously, it sounds like a suicide-by-cop

If it was, Mr. Walker did an outstanding job! He went down like Warren Beatty in Bonnie and Clyde. To the commenters concerned about ‘optics’ and think too many rounds popped—are you kidding me? The outcome was awesome and appropriate. If some ‘community members’ get riled up, too bad.

Already hear firecrackers going off God bless America 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

— Yankee (Shark) (@nervousamerican) July 2, 2022

This. I reiterate my bafflement regarding Michael Slager’s crucifixion. Why have cops or laws if you are allowed to just run away?

It’s almost as if cops have a reason for being antsy during routine traffic stops.

If you don’t want to occasionally be “antsy”, selling insurance is probably a better career option for you.

Police try to get VBIPOC with the taser and it doesn’t work

Presumably with those recently lower-powered tasers. Causing one to wonder how long, if ever, it’ll take the powers-that-be to realize the issue and ratchet up the power again.

Meanwhile, in Chicago, the negroes are revolting…

Actions like this were unthinkable just a few years ago…there is no plan or end in sight for the madness. pic.twitter.com/Ch67SAFvGo

— ChicagoFails (@ChicagoFails) July 3, 2022

https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shootings-this-weekend-4th-of-july-violence-crime/12013942/

That was a reckless and unnecessary volley of shots.

Are they supposed to all talk and agree on who is going to take the shot if he turns and prepares to shoot? And would shooting him dead with one shot make him less dead than 60 shots? You’re definitely one of the people swayed by optics more than reality, and that’s probably the majority view. Which is why these cops are likely screwed.

Also, since it was night and he was wearing a ski mask, I doubt they could have known he was one of those whose “life matters.”

“The perp is probably bad news and always will be (or rather, would have been). ”

I read that he had no record, but that the car had been used in a felony crime the day before.

But why would he have shot at the cops? Is it possible that all the nonsense talk about “cops gunning down innocent youths” is actually making blacks run for no good reason? Like, they actually think they might be shot if they just give themselves up?

Are they supposed to all talk and agree on who is going to take the shot if he turns and prepares to shoot?

Well the Ukrainians seem able to maintain fire control even though they can be blasted by a HIND or artillery shell at any moment.

This was pathetic.

A bunch of grown men unloading their magazines into a single negro that wasn’t even shooting at them.

It is extremely unlikely for a suspect to keep fighting after being shot twice. Extremely unlikely and it was clear that one of them downed him. So yes they should have stopped shooting when it was clear that he had been hit.

This was a bunch of panicky pants little women with badges that kept shooting until they turned him into swiss cheese. And then put cuffs on him.

You’re definitely one of the people swayed by optics more than reality, and that’s probably the majority view

Swayed by optics? How so?

Shooting that many rounds is reckless and that was true before the video was released. I would be livid if I lived nearby. A 9mm bullet can bounce off a rock and fly three blocks and still go through drywall. These cops should all be fired and should never be allowed to own firearms.

This was an unjustified shooting that will only feed Clown Town and the White guilt media.

The establishment feeds on these shootings and needs them to live. GULP BURP thanks idiot cops.

Also, since it was night and he was wearing a ski mask, I doubt they could have known he was one of those whose “life matters.”

He had flopped on the grown and they were still shooting at him. AAHHHHHH NEGRO IM SO SCARED I PEE MY PANTS. SORRY MOMMY

…things like \$50 million dollar hand outs to blacks in Buffalo by Gov. hochul.

The governor of New York can’t even pronounce the noun permit correctly. Still, she’ll hand out dollars but not Sullivan permits. Democrats’ keeping blacks unarmed is the oldest partisan political position in the world today, with the possible exception of the UK Liberals’ free trade.

Checkyopriblidge.

How soon they forget.
Isn’t a Walker a Jogger in training?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8297653/911-call-white-ex-cop-shot-killed-unarmed-black-jogger-Ahmaud-Arbery-revealed.html

https://dailyboulder.com/white-supremacists-post-jogger-under-obamas-pictures-circulate-meme-saying-joggers-will-shot/

Or switch to using tranquilizer guns with ketamine-tipped darts.

Can we compromise by using Fentanyl tipped darts?

Go have another Vaxx booster you weirdo.

The perp is probably bad news and always will be (or rather, would have been).

Bu- bu- but… he was UNARMED!

And he never broke a law a day in his life. HIS FAMILY FRIEND TOLD US!

That’s good riotin’ weather. Very conducive for summer unrest among the indigenous perps.

There were also a bunch of lawsuits about Tasers killing or severely injuring people.
A lot of people don’t get that if Tasers aren’t as effective, cops are going to use their guns.

It was an N95 ski mask. And the bullets he was firing were full mRNA jacketed.

With the old-style PPC (“practical pistol course”) training they did lose
quite a few officers while reholstering after having hit once (not good
policy with a .38 and a doped-up jogger, especially at short range) as they had
trained countless times to do (at longer ranges their training proved superior
but you shouldn´t use a pistol for that) so now they are trained to keep
firing until the target is neutralized.
Still you ought to have good reasons for needing more than three rounds –
cops with nerves shouldn´t be on the streets to begin with.

Flammenwerfer!

Great use of the word’s origin.

You also missed the part about the prolonged pursuit before the sieve finally stopped (half-assed at that) his car.

If the perp were white it might have made the local news. Thousands of examples. I posted one from yesterday right here in this thread.

This is the Establishment propaganda machine doing what it does best. None of what I say excuses police misconduct which is everywhere. But only a few examples are cherry picked by TPTB to further their own purposes.

If some ‘community members’ get riled up, too bad.

Yeah, you say that, but consider how much damage has been wreaked in the wake of the Floyd fiasco.

If he was really hit 60 times, it’s outstanding shooting by the cops, particularly since they didn’t have any friendly fire casualties. The media and race hustlers will run with the “unarmed “ claim, despite the obvious fact he’d left his gun in the car and their x-ray vision didn’t detect that. I predict big riots, big cash settlement, no criminal charges filed but Akron police will no longer pursue fleeing criminals.

Michael Slager did nothing wrong. He gave Walter Scott two chances to surrender to authority of law, once in the car and then when they wrestled in a struggle for his taser.

Once an arrest has been made, a violent felon attempting escape may be shot. Michael Slager followed the law and deserves the protection of the law.

Outrage in Akron was the lead story on Sunday evening’s CBS Weekend News. The gleeful anchors proudly waved their flag: We Stand With The Narrative!

According to CBS News, Walker was unarmed, although police claimed gunshots came from his car, and claimed to have found a handgun in the car. The reporting team somehow forgot a minor detail buried towards the back of the NYT’s article:

“Bobby DiCello, a lawyer for the Walker family, said Mr. Walker had only recently obtained the [handgun recovered from the car].”

Upside-down style, the LA Times mentioned:

“Walker had fled the scene of a traffic stop in nearby New Franklin, Ohio, the night before, according to DiCello, though it was unclear why.”

Monday morning’s NBC Today account was more of the same.

Akron Beacon News reporter Doug Livingston wrote a good account, though he missed DiCello’s confession that Walker was the owner of the handgun in his car.

If the coloured chappie was wearing a ski mask did they even know he was a blackie? Perhaps they thought he was a White man who they could safely kill.

But 60 bullets, wow!

There are more important things on the horizon.

https://mobile.twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1543123451530977280

Unless he or she or it has a gun on his or her or its person they technically are unarmed. If they fired a gun 5 seconds before and it is night that is just a retarded way to put it.

60 shots is overkill. Pretty sure this isn’t the way they map it out for the guys in the training course. The comments Biden is told to recite off his teleprompter ought to be a doozy. There is no way I can foresee them getting the ski mask worked in. In their hay day the Saturday Night Live top scriptwriters would have a very hard time with that part.

We have a deadline!

Been hearing rumors about that for some time.

On the one hand, it’s disturbing and very damaging to the prestige and strength of the United States… MY country. Extremely bothersome and portends some bad times for residents of the USA as our economy weakens further and demand for the dollar with it. However minor one might argue the detrimental effects will be of an FX crisis, they will still be detrimental.

On the other hand, what exactly has the United States done over the past 20 years to deserve to still be the world’s reserve currency anyway? We’re not particularly solvent absent accounting tricks, we’re not particularly stable, and the US federal government hasn’t had respect for – or treated with respect – its currency for quite some time. The US economy is not a goose laying golden eggs.

Top it off with the insidious habit of forcing the trashier parts of its culture on places around the world that don’t want it, and its easy to see why other countries might be looking for leadership and stability somewhere other than the United States.

Disappointing, yes, but surprising? No.

Maybe the ensuing depression will encourage some of the more excessive parts of our fiscal policy and trash culture to reconsider their prominence… or at least encourage some saner minded voters and politicians to quit looking the other way as it happens.

We can’t go on like this and the fall of the petrodollar is but a first step in the reckoning.

If you don’t want to occasionally be “antsy”, selling insurance is probably a better career option for you.

I remember a case about a decade back where a lady selling insurance was abducted and murdered by a vibrant. Her body was found in the trunk of her abandoned car. Selling insurance in the wrong neighborhood can be risky.

Maybe more people should question how law enforcement are trained using deadly force. If the training done from the perspective of one person (such as an officer making a traffic stop) versus the shooting that take place in large groups where multiple officers are yelling commands and shooting at the same time.

4chan comment claiming to describe the situation on tbe ground. The bit at the end is highly representative; if you sorted out every fifth comment in threads about Akron they would touch upon this in different phrasings.

barely anyone showed up
once tear gas got fired into the crowd they dispersed, past 12am they all frankly went to bed and called it a night

it really seems like the george floyd protest was funded by soros and was actually just anti-trump

Jayland Walker seems to have been a friendly guy with an even disposition who lettered in wrestling and cross country. The Akron Beacon-Journal‘s backgrounder. His fiancee is reported to have died last month in a car accident — that could have been the catalyst for (per Steve in the OP) what looks like a Death of Despair not Exuberance.

The girlfriend’s name is being withheld. I hope that’s the mainstream affording some privacy to her grieving family, a decent thing to do. Alternatively, in a week or two there could be a leak of some Breonna Tayloresque details at odds with the Narrative.

Again per Steve: if Walker was white, this likely Suicide By Cop story wouldn’t have traveled beyond WKYC 3 News At Eleven.

Or, he was up to no good and knew he wasn’t walking away with a notice to appear. How often have you driven a car which was used in a felony the day before?

Meanwhile, the West continues to await the denouement as the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse they have unleashed draw nearer: War, Pestilence, Famine and Death.

Anybody want to argue that these are not self inflicted?

Ready to believe in The Great Reset yet Steve?

Is it possible that all the nonsense talk about “cops gunning down innocent youths” is actually making blacks run for no good reason? Like, they actually think they might be shot if they just give themselves up?

It’s as good a theory as any, and maybe that is a school of thought in the VBIPOC community, but the premise is 100% wrong if that’s what they really think. I’m not saying it never happens, but someone giving himself up and laying face down on the pavement is very unlikely to get shot compared to the result of putting on a ski mask and making a run for it.

All of which means, that it’s still not the cops’ fault if he ends up dead after trying to run away; it’s the fault of the fools who convinced him that it’s the only available option to possibly save his own life.

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The tantrums these people throw is a learned behavior. They’ve learned that their tantrums, however stupid, get rewarded with attention, sympathy, and eventually some gibs.

The solution, as with toddlers, is to stop rewarding the tantrums. We need to tell them that we expect them to act like responsible adults instead of like emotionally disturbed children or a pack of agitated baboons.

They’re collectively capable of better behavior, but why would they behave reasonably if they get rewarded for acting like this?

“Cops tend to pop off like drunken cowboys any time they think they might have a reason to shoot. There was a case in Cleveland a few years back when a car two blacks were driving backfired. Thinking they were getting shot at, the cops went on a wild chase, shooting over 100 rounds and ending the chase by standing on the hood of the car, shooting 25 rounds each into the driver and the passenger through the windshield. Both turned out to be unarmed.”

Followed by…

“ From the first bodycam it looked like a good shooting. The perp was believed to be armed and was fleeing, then he seemed to turn on the cop.

The problem was that every single one of the eight (or however many) cops all had the same reaction — which was to empty their clips on the guy. So it looks like a lot of overkill, including after he was already down.

Once the guy has been shot, should it matter if his dead body is riddled with extra bullets? Logically, no. But the optics aren’t good”

You really need to do some NOTICING, tin cup narrative man.

The dindoo brigades are enroute, RaHoWa!!!

Walker makes me think of Johnny.

I myself typically wear a ski mask while driving in the summertime. Doesn’t everyone?

Question to Door Dash; Do you routinely hire people who wear ski masks while carrying handguns, and drive like hell when fleeing from the cops?

I’d like to know before I place my next take out order.

I have not seen anything as yet about where the deceased was employed

AKRON, Ohio — A 25-year-old Black man who was killed last week by police officers in Akron, Ohio, suffered more than 60 gunshot wounds but was unarmed at the time, the police chief said Sunday.

That detail was among the facts that began to emerge

Wouldn’t it be more accurate to say ” at the moment “?

The original TASER used a gunpowder propellant and the current one uses compressed nitrogen so I assume the muzzle velocity is lower, maybe less ability to penetrate clothing, etc. (also less ability for the darts to penetrate your vital organs and kill you).

I don’t think distance has much to do with it – once the probes leave the barrel they can only de-accelerate, not “build up energy” regardless of the propellant. Nor does the electrical energy in the wires depend on distance. The only fly in the ointment is that the two probes have to land at least 4 inches apart for them to work but the spread is 12 inches for every 7 feet so unless you are closer than a little over 2 feet it should work. Of course if you are wrassling with a perp you might be closer than 2 feet. (Conversely, if you are much beyond 7 feet one or both of the probes might miss even if your aim is true.)

The bottom line is that no one has really come up with a perfect non-lethal weapon (and probably given the legal environment and Taser’s monopoly dominance of the market, there are many who are afraid to try even though the reward would be potentially large).

Add to this the fact that many perps today have guns and you have the old maxim that you should never bring a Taser to a gunfight.

The prior police chase, from WKYC:

“ That same sedan caught the attention of a New Franklin police officer, who tried to stop the vehicle for having a broken taillight and license plate bulb as it left a Subway sandwich shop at about 2:30 a.m. Sunday.

The driver did not stop, but instead drove away on Manchester Road at speeds approaching 50 mph. The officer ended the chase in less than three minutes as the driver passed the Akron suburb’s border. The license plate came back to Walker, who worked as a food delivery driver for DoorDash.”

Blacks and LGBTs are merely making the expected efforts to wrestle back some measure of attention now that all oppressed groups and their pet issues must bow to the all-powerful female and her all-consuming demand for “reproductive health”

A bunch of grown men unloading their magazines into a single negro that wasn’t even shooting at them.

It is extremely unlikely for a suspect to keep fighting after being shot twice. Extremely unlikely and it was clear that one of them downed him. So yes they should have stopped shooting when it was clear that he had been hit.

This was a bunch of panicky pants little women with badges that kept shooting until they turned him into swiss cheese. And then put cuffs on him.

Is that you John Wayne?

This is a seriously ignorant comment. The test isn’t whether the perp can still mount some kind of physical fight, it’s whether the perp is completely incapacitated and therefore unable to return any fire. So unless you could see his trigger finger in that video, you should politely shut your gob.

Swayed by optics? How so?

Shooting that many rounds is reckless and that was true before the video was released. I would be livid if I lived nearby. A 9mm bullet can bounce off a rock and fly three blocks and still go through drywall. These cops should all be fired and should never be allowed to own firearms.

This was an unjustified shooting that will only feed Clown Town and the White guilt media.

You’re adopting the negro grievance narrative that when a guy who shot from the car and then fled cops was himself shot in turn that there is some controversy.

Sixty shots fired by eight officers is under three 3 shot bursts per officer. Iron sights at night, moving target moving away from the shooter. You’re basically one step away from the mongoloids who ask “why couldn’t they just shoot the gun out of his hand/shoot him in the leg?”

Yes, we understand that guns can be dangerous and fired bullets have a way of finding non-intentional targets. That’s why it’s good to get an armed Junior gangbanger like Walker off of the streets.

Ski mask = conscientious and responsible 😷

Blacks have many virtues, as one could learn from watching TV. However, careful introspection is not one of them. Maybe it’s due to the legacy of slavery and racism, blah, blah, blah but it’s absolutely true that the instinct of many blacks is to take off like a rocket (or sometimes fight like hell) rather than submit to the police, where a white lowlife under similar circumstances might reason that while going to jail is not great (and yes, he was going to jail regardless of his heretofore clean record, with a car used in a felony and a ski mask and a gun in his possession), running from or trying to fight the cops is not likely to end well either so giving up may be the best of your bad choices. In fact his clean record may have hurt him in this case because he didn’t have experience with being in custody and didn’t understand that it’s not the end of the world.

Maybe this is just primitive animal “flight or fight” behavior or maybe a lot of young blacks think that taking a runner is a rational response vs. an older cop who is carrying an extra 50 lbs. or so of donut and beer belly.

Reg, two weeks ago hochul came to Buffalo to announce a gift for Buffalo’s east side, the black community, of \$50 million. The money to be distributed thusly, 1000 people will get up to \$10k for home repairs, 4000 people will get checks for \$5000 to pay their water, sewer and tax bills and 150 people will get \$30k for down payments on a house…which means in a few years they will need money from NYS for repairs and taxes and sewer and water bills. Stay safe.

Well, then, his customer had ordered from Subway and he was in a hurry to provide great service.

My theory about it all is that it’s big country with lots of black males. Black males commit a lot of crime — so they will interact with cops a lot.

A certain percentage of those interactions are bound to go sideways. I don’t see that fact as having any particular significance.

Years ago a book that I read on pistol shooting (published in the early 1990s) suggested that police might be better off with five-shot .44 Special revolvers than with high capacity 9mm or .40 S&W automatic pistols. With a revolver and five shots they would be more likely to get a sight picture and squeeze the trigger rather than “hosing” a target. When excited, shooters sometimes just fire shots downrange until the magazine is expended and hope for the best. But I think that ship has sailed. I’m also surprised at the popularity of the AR-15 platform versus the 12 gauge shotgun.

A contagious shooting is a sociological phenomenon observed in military and police personnel, in which one person firing on a target can induce others to begin shooting. Often the subsequent shooters will not know why they are firing, unless they are infantrymen, in which case they are expected to do so. For instance, if someone was a member of a fire team following the point man and he suddenly begins firing his weapon, there is a good chance that their element is in contact with the enemy. Prerequisites for a sworn peace officer regarding the discharge of a duty weapon are in no way comparable to those of a military unit engaged in a firefight.[1][2][3]

While commonly accepted in popular culture and police jargon, there has been yet no scientific evidence “to prove the existence of a contagious shooting dynamic”, which O’Donnell said was a “debatable notion”.[4]

Additionally, a former CIA employee and FBI firearms instructor observed it in training. “Consistently, in every class, officers would shoot at their target upon hearing others shoot, even when their particular target board did not contain the called target.”[5] He suggests that one reason it occurs is because of muscle memory: “[T]he targets turn, or the whistle blows, and all the officers shoot together until a cease-fire signal is given.”

O’Donnell partially reinforces this, saying that in classic cases involving contagious shooting, “a gun was shot before any officers fired”, and thus “the officers involved began shooting because of fear or because of the sound of a colleague firing”.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contagious_shooting

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If the North Hollywood Bank Robbery were to happen today in George Gascon’s Los Angeles County, would the police even respond? It’s only property. Of course, the perpetrator’s are White, so my guess is yes, unless the robbers issued a statement beforehand that they were doing it to protest against White supremacists like Clarence Thomas.

Remind me, what year is this? 1968?1972? 2022? Same old same old newspaper headlines my entire life. Black criminals good Whites bad. Nothing changes. It’s like religious services. Same format on and on forever amen.

It spills over into White communities. Allowing unpatrolled Bantustans to pockmark every American city will only hasten the cities’ total destruction – and spill into the suburbs and countryside as well.

Blacks have to be patrolled in the short term and separation is required in the long term. They eventually have to on the other side of a policed and fortified border.

Remember the police officer who stopped a rampaging knife-wielding black girl with one well-placed shot to the head? He also was criticized. One shot, 60 shots, those who want to find fault will always do so.

A hard-won lesson learned by North Hollywood Police is they must be armed to answer most contingencies.

Yes they should have AR-15s available in case they are needed. That was the lesson and it doesn’t apply here.

Once a police officer is compelled to believe his life is in mortal danger, he can unload his weapon of all bullets at his discretion.

They train them to wait until they see a weapon so there isn’t a repeat of the NY wallet incident.

They don’t train them to stand as a group and unload into a body on the ground.

Nothing good will come from this.

Taking one thug off the street won’t do anything. There is always another one to take his place. The system is what needs to change.

A bad shooting like this will just lead to some innocent White being killed in a mostly peaceful protest. That of course that will just be a “random” incident that goes unreported in the media. Single Black on White killings are ignored unless they are captured on video or the victim is known in the community.

Background note – Akron is 30% black, and the mayor is Democrat. He is likely intimidated enough, given his party’s voter base, to let the city burn. At its peak, in 1960, and presumably when it was a lot whiter, Akron had 290K residents. That number is now 190K.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akron,_Ohio#Demographics

which was to empty their clips on the guy.

“Clips”.

Corky, lets add guns to the long list of things about which you know nothing. Idiot.

Perhaps they should all come down with Monkey-Pox, no?

In any extistential contest with criminals, police lives always come first.

In any contest with speeders, police lives always come first.

Doesn’t look so good.

This guy (https://libertyunyielding.com/2022/07/03/11-per-gallon-gasoline-possible-based-on-prediction-from-major-bank/) says that if Russia cuts back its oil production by 5 mbd, then we are looking at \$380 a barrel of oil and \$11 gasoline.

Thanks, Joe!

This case highlights the need for separate rules for separate peoples.
In a nation where the overwhelming majority of people are law-abiding and only a few are criminals, and even the criminals have sense enough not to flee armed policemen, we can expect the police to show more restraint. That is the case in a white/asian nation.
But in a nation or neighborhood of blacks the tables are turned. Many blacks will break the law, most who break the law will resist arrest or flee, and many who resist will shoot at cops. Black neighborhoods are a transition zone from law enforcement to war-like combat. Under these circumstances the police have my permission to shoot first and ask questions later. They can shoot all the fleeing Walkers they want.
Separate nations with separate governments and separate laws would be a better solution, at least for the civilized people.

Black perps (Black!) in car chases usually surrender peacefully. Backwards.

They leap out and run as fast as they can (pretty fast, often!) while discarding their weapons as they go.

Sometimes they surrender so fast the po-po can’t catch ’em.

Other times, if they were shootin’ at squirrels near the cop cars (okay, that’s a “mistake’), they are riddled with bullets.

It is hard to hit a moving target with a pistol, under stressful situations. Look at how few block party attendees die after some vibrant gun play for disrespectin’ !

Surrendering while running furiously and fast away from authorities is a time honored Bantu custom. That’s why African cops carry carbines.

Gov Kathy got to the seat through the servants’ entrance, when Cuomo-not-the-homo* was shown the door. Other than Texas and Ann Richards, what is the most populous state that has elected a woman governor in her own right? Massachusetts? New Jersey? Washington? Oh, wait… Michigan! Gretchen Witless!

This fits Steven Goldberg’s analysis to a T. Texas’s governorship is one of the weakest, making it less of a prize. The other giant states’ capitols [sic] attract armies of ambitious men.

Female governors pioneered in tiny states, starting with Wyoming. Though women first voted in Utah, not Wyoming. That state has never elected a woman governor.

*Especially not:

An investigation finds overwhelming evidence that Cuomo engaged in sexual harassment

(NB: the didn’t originally say “an investigation finds…” But “probe” must have made editors uncomfortable.)

Not all of us. ☮

It appears that the felony of the day before was actually felony fleeing of police. I (searching briefly) can’t find any reference to any other felony.

They shot him for wearing a ski mask? For a traffic violation? Was he thought to have hurt anyone?
Akron must be some tough town. Drive safely!

Akron traffic ordinance:

When discharging your firearm from your vehicle on a city street, you must first roll down your driver side window (fully) and slow down to 10 MPH. Cartridge casings must not be ejected in a manner which endangers pedestrians or cyclists or stray dogs.

Violators are subject to a \$500 fine and/or permanent removal from the city limits.

The whole narrative seems off. Too many rounds expended on one individual, and most were not on target. The police need tighter fire discipline and more accuracy.

Could it be that Someone wants to repeat another summer of Floyd and manufactured the event to fit the narrative? A distraction before the Fall of the American Empire?

It’s tragic the one thing which never comes out of these incidents is a discussion of the behavior a suspect or driver can use to not get shot by police. I’ve known for a while that, despite any supposed white male privilege, if I made the wrong moves at the wrong time I could get lit up by panicky cops. I’m not theorizing this. When I was in college I got out of my car during a traffic stop and reached for my wallet. Staring down 2 9mm barrels, I realized I’d made a substantial error. Luckily my empty hands went straight up. I suspect running and making furtive movements would have worked out poorly for me.

Ah, that’s not fair. Corky is a sweet guy. Don’t tarnish his good name by comparing him to a jerk like Corvinus.

Corvy gives off a strong David Hogg vibe, IMO.

I read that he had no record, but that the car had been used in a felony crime the day before.

Not having a record doesn’t mean that he hasn’t committed crimes, especially now with Soros prosecutors deciding not to prosecute crimes and consequently police deciding to not bother running people in. I don’t know how Akron is on that score.

With a revolver and five shots they would be more likely to get a sight picture and squeeze the trigger rather than “hosing” a target.

You run into the problem though of when they need to hose the target. A shooter using a vehicle for cover for example. Or when they need to disable a vehicle.

Even in rural areas they occasionally run into some thug from the city that shoots it out. Definitely a bad situation for a revolver.

I live in rural America and a few years ago we had some thug come through on a crime spree. Killed a teller even though she complied. Awful.

Was local news for one night.

I’m also surprised at the popularity of the AR-15 platform versus the 12 gauge shotgun.

It’s because of the spread and limited range of the 12 gauge. Yes they are devastating at close range but anyone taking two shots of 223 point blank is going to drop.

The less lethal 12 gauge rounds also lost their popularity. The departments are afraid of the police losing their nerve and putting in the wrong shells by accident. This video proves the concern is valid.

Maybe this is just primitive animal “flight or fight” behavior or maybe a lot of young blacks think that taking a runner is a rational response vs. an older cop who is carrying an extra 50 lbs. or so of donut and beer belly.

No, it’s that resisting arrest and running from police has a rational upside – plenty of times you have a fat cop or a cop punching a clock for retirement or a cop who is wary of being the next most famous white man in America and you successfully flee, find a safe place to hide out and you get away with whatever crime you were suspected of committing (or without having been searched for evidence of another crime). It’s just that the upside comes with a rather large downside if you fail – the charges will be more severe and more will be added on, and you’ve just escalated the situation to one in which getting seriously injured or killed is much more likely. Plenty of black kids just grew up running from cops as a manner of course and it doesn’t change when the clock strikes 12 on their eighteenth birthdays.

This might have changed a bit with the advent of body cameras – the low motivation cops now have some degree of accountability and need to be seen making some good faith effort to get the collar. Ironic, since early “criminal justice reform” demands included compulsory use of body cameras. Now we have loads of video evidence of blacks behaving badly and getting themselves into enormous trouble, and so the narratives change to suppressing material facts revealed in the camera footage.

https://www.axios.com/2022/07/04/highland-park-shooting-july-4-parade

What we know about the mass shooting at a July 4th parade in Highland Park, Illinois https://t.co/gaH8kNF5gB pic.twitter.com/jy5ZFMIXK5

— Axios (@axios) July 4, 2022

“it took 8 cops to bring him down”

More cops decreases the likelihood of deadly force being used during the arrest.

The earliest articles I read didn’t mention a wife or girlfriend, but when I saw the gold wedding band next to the handgun, my immediate thought was did he just lose his wife? Grief suicide by cop. And if he was in the vehicle or driving the vehicle during the accident that killed her . . . Guilt and grief suicide by cop.

The shooting – 8 cops simultaneously perceived a threat (ski-masked fugitive who had fired a weapon at least once during the car chase of which they all would have been aware via their radios) and fired until the threat ended.

Years ago a book that I read on pistol shooting (published in the early 1990s) suggested that police might be better off with five-shot .44 Special revolvers than with high capacity 9mm or .40 S&W automatic pistols. With a revolver and five shots they would be more likely to get a sight picture and squeeze the trigger rather than “hosing” a target. When excited, shooters sometimes just fire shots downrange until the magazine is expended and hope for the best. But I think that ship has sailed.

People of all shapes and sizes just shoot semiautomatics better – they manage recoil better, and a Glock is a very simple tool. Remember, Police Departments have been “diversifying” for the last 40 years or so.

Lots of people assume that cops are real “shooters,” but that’s generally not the case. They get some minimal firearms training in the academy and annual qualifications but there really isn’t much of a budget for live fire training. Some take the initiative and bear the expense of seeking out training on their own, but starting salaries in most places don’t leave much for that sort of thing. Throw your average patrol officer into an IPSC competition and he’s going to come in dead last.

I’m also surprised at the popularity of the AR-15 platform versus the 12 gauge shotgun.

As Clint Smith says, a shotgun is an expert’s weapon. It’s not some kind of cure-all simple solution just because it’s cheap relative to other firearms. And at defensive ranges, the pattern of a shotgun’s shot isn’t much bigger than that of a pistol caliber bullet.

Terrible news, of course. But the vile corporate media and wicked Democratic politicians have created a poisonous atmosphere in which young white men are infused with messaging that tells them they are born in sin, that their future in this country is bleak in order to atone for the supposed racial transgressions of their parents and grandparents and so on. Combine this potent psychological warfare with active security state involvement in creating young white male killers who walk into a Buffalo supermarket and begin shooting black people. American elites are psychos; I don’t know how this situation gets better.

Happy 4th, everybody!

Another unarmed black man with a gun.

I’m sure senile Joe and crazy Kamala will both fly to Akron to attend the funeral of this saintly “victim” and give speeches in which they’ll decry the phantom evils of “systemic racism” and “police brutality” and meet with the Walkers to mourn their tragic loss, for which they’ll sue the city of Akron and/or the state of Ohio for tens of millions of dollars and almost surely prevail.

And it’s far more likely than not that the cops will be indicted and prosecuted for murder, convicted at trial by a jury too craven and fearful of what will occur if they do what is just and right and acquit them, and sentenced to years or decades in prison and “protective custody,” i.e., solitary confinement or will they share cells with 1 or 2 of their fellow victims of anti-“racism” and black vengeance?

You run into the problem though of when they need to hose the target. A shooter using a vehicle for cover for example.

They had the solution to this problem in the 1970s: a .357 revolver and a 12-gauge shotgun loaded with slugs. You literally had to be a man to shoot them effectively, though.

Or when they need to disable a vehicle.

No handgun round is going to stop a vehicle. The best you can do is shoot through the door or windshield and stop the driver. (See above).

Hey, now… I’m drinking hefeweizen straight from Munich. No cheap stuff here.

Sounds like he was unfamiliar with the manual of arms for the gun and accidentally ejected the mag, probably while trying to manipulate the safety. First shot might have even been a nd and he ejected the mag in a panic but it was too late by then. Does not strike me as intentional

Can you tell the difference between the sound of a gunshot fired at a perp and the sound of a gunshot fired by a perp?

it’s whether the perp is completely incapacitated and therefore unable to return any fire.

Considering he was unarmed, I would rate the chances about 70/30.

Looking to see in which languages gun permit applications are available, I came across this for New York:

You must apply in the county in which you live or are principally employed.

In Upstate New York apply to the County Court through the office of the court clerk, county clerk or sheriff.
In New York City, Nassau County and most of Suffolk County apply to the police commissioner.
In eastern towns of Suffolk County apply to the Sheriff.

https://www.ny.gov/how-obtain-firearms-license

“eastern towns of Suffolk County” = the Hamptons. Not our Derb! He’s gotta kiss the Commish!

I had wanted to compare this with voter registration forms. New York will help you in another language, but you have to call a number, and only Spanish, Chinese, Korean, and something Subcontinental are listed. So I went to much more generous California. Note this stipulation from San Joaquin County’s online info:

Issuance Criteria for Consideration Pursuant to California Penal Code 26150-26225, and 29610…

Proof that the person is a citizen of the United States (or by providing one of the following: Naturalization documents, Valid US Passport, Valid Permanent Resident Card, or out of country Military Birth Certificate)

From more rural, liberal Butte County:

Prior to Filling Out This Application…
Be prepared to scan a copy of your valid California driver’s license (CDL), or state issued ID. This is mandatory with each application.

https://butteca.permitium.com/ccw/start

Not only are these pages and forms solely in English, so is Wikipedia’s:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_California

But for voter registration? Check it out:

If you wish to register to vote in a language other than English, please select your language below.

Español Spanish
中文 Chinese
हिन्दी Hindi
日本語 Japanese
ខ្មែរ Khmer
한국어 Korean
Tagalog
ภาษาไทย Thai
Tiếng Việt Vietnamese

https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voter-registration

Yes, but both GBP and EUR are at all time lows versus dollar, JPY is at a 20-year low.

RMB is at a two-year low vs. USD. The Zero Covid debacle has been a huge black eye so far as investment and talent attractiveness.

RMB is also not more than 3% of all global forex reserves. In addition PRC holds by far the largest dollar reserve,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserve_currency#Global_currency_reserves
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign-exchange_reserves#Foreign_exchange_reserves

British pound lost its reserve status to dollar around time of 1929 Wall Street Crash. But still composed of 25% of all global forex reserves as late as 1965.

So can taking a walk in the “right” neighborhood…

https://worldstarhiphop.com/videos/wshh6r0wb6T679yCqe1i/warning-graphic-teen-receives-a-life-sentence-for-attempting-to-run-over-his-opp-he-had-beef-with

… But as a wise man once said:

The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, but that’s the way to bet.
Damon Runyon

https://heavy.com/news/robert-crimo-iii/
https://twitter.com/HeavySan/status/1544083427070296064

Here’s how the U.S. Sun is reporting the incident:

https://www.the-sun.com/news/5694962/jayland-walker-shooting-footage-shows-moment-akron-police-kill/

Mylett said that the medical examiner initially found more than 60 wounds on Walker’s body, with an exact number of shots fired yet to be determined.

60 wounds, not necessarily 60 bullets. Although it still seems excessive.

A picture of the decedent has the caption “Walker was only 25 years old” – as if that mattered.

I can imagine the analagous newspaper headline from May 24th, 1934: “Clyde Barrow was only 25 years old”

As I said before, cops often act like dangerous, unthinking jerks. So do a lot of the people they shoot.

The license plate came back to Walker, who worked as a food delivery driver for DoorDash.”

A reminder that the automation revolution is going to destroy millions of jobs–driving, delivery, fast food, cleaning, etc. etc.–that millions of such people currently hold. Then what will they be doing?

Which, of course, is why it is critical to our economic future to wave millions across the border right now!

I know his parents,they’re very good people. Years ago,his father ran a business in Highland Park that was very well known and he was well liked and respected.
Its horrible that they have to deal with this.
The families of the victims,the horror.

If there was a cop who left people alone unless they crossed a certain line, and then he produces a flammenwerfer, he would be their hero.

According to the manufacturer’s literature, flammenwerfen are harmless:

My view is that once the shooting begins the objective is to stop the threat. This means making sure they pose no danger to you. The idea of counting shots is ludicrous, if you live you’re lucky, that’s it.

The only thing that needs to be adjudicated is whether the shooting was justified in the first place. A shot count serves to inflame those who want to be inflamed.

https://twitter.com/HeavySan/status/1544083427070296064/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1544083427070296064%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.unz.com%2Fisteve%2Fnyt-police-shooting-of-unarmed-black-man-is-murky-and-mysterious%2F

Who woulda thought?

Oh yeah. You know his momma is beside herself with glee. She gets rid of her spawn, cries on camera for unending attention and cha-ching ghetto lotto.

Go have another Vaxx booster you weirdo.

Your local doctor is also a weirdo.

We still haven’t turned into zombies yet you jackass.

Maybe your “doctor of economics” Paul Roberts can come up with an explanation. Too bad he no longer allows comments after being called out on his bullshit. Or go ask the liberal Kennedy lawyer who sells a book to suckers so he can pay for his mansion in Malibu.

I get my medical advice exclusively from non-medical sources.

– Unz Anti-vaxx Genius

https://fash-the-nation.libsyn.com/

Those cops were stupid. Their lives will now be ruined. And for what? Should have just let him run. Who cares. He likely wasn’t going to do any time anyway.

Simple rule for cops: don’t chase blacks. Let them go. It doesn’t make the slightest difference.

NPR covering it as “He was unarmed when police shot him” because they can’t say ‘he was unarmed’ since he was armed in the car. So rather than avoid stating whether he was armed or not, or saying ‘a gun with loaded magazine was in the car and he shot at police’ they just say the most inflammatory possible description, even though it requires adding the extra “when shot”. And they delete all the details that might justify the shooting.
The media WANT riots, they WANT your city destroyed, they WANT people to die and buildings to burn. They’re carefully curating their stories and crafting their coverage to incite maximum rage, hoping to cause maximum destruction. Outrageous

Those people are really making Chicago dangerous…

Jayl-and-walk…er, did his mom consult an oracle about the boy’s future?
(Sorry RegCæsar.)

lettered in wrestling and cross country

That’s a rare combination.

My thoughts exactly. How can this be construed as a racial incident when the race of the suspect was not at all apparent at the time of the shooting?

“… when the race of the suspect was not at all apparent at the time of the shooting?”

What do you think the odds were?

“Outrage in Akron was the lead story on Sunday evening’s CBS Weekend News.”

There is certainly plenty to be outraged about with what recently happened in Akron. But the police shooting of Jayland Walker has nothing to do with any justifiable outrage. Indeed, when somebody shoots at the cops from a car and then flees from the car, the cops certainly have probable cause to believe that that person is armed and to act accordingly. Which is exactly what the cops did.

No, the real outrage in Akron should be about the recent savage attack where four black thugs stomped a kid to death on a playground in that city.

Yes, but both GBP and EUR are at all time lows versus dollar

Not all time. The Euro was worth 83 cents in 2002. It’s worth over a buck now.

The U.S. is seen as fatally weak at home. Embroiled in racial politics and transgender veneration, why would a country such as this be used as the financial reserve for the world’s most valuable commodity?

“Considering he was unarmed,”

You’ve never owned a cat named Schroedinger, have you.

Okay, but, in what world is it okay to flee police? Isn’t every cop going to perceive flight as admission of guilt?

Fascinating. I like that they answer their question.

The only thing that needs to be adjudicated is whether the shooting was justified in the first place.

If the shooting turns out not to be justified – like, for example, they’re shooting at the wrong person – then filling the target full of holes is going to insure that they – an innocent person – dies.

I’m not saying that it’s the case in this case. But it has happened. Cops aren’t always right. Often times, they are are careless, stupid, and cruel. Consider this case:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver

Or this one:

https://reason.com/2012/05/14/why-did-a-culpepper-cop-kill-a-retired-s/

Crimo was interested in something called Arcturus, a book-length coded message. Part of its solution was supposed to be the number 47. Crimo had the number 47 tattooed on his face (behind the right eye). Crimo’s “monkeywrench” logo could easily be interpreted as a sigil made out of the number 4 and the number 7. And of course his attack happened on the fourth day of the seventh month.
He doesn’t seem to have an ideology. A truly vapid, soulless, nihilistic empty vessel. Nowhere in his rap music or his messages is he especially angry about anything.
A year ago someone started a twitter account to argue that “Robert Crimo doesn’t exist.” No further details are offered and that could have been Crimo in a publicity stunt for his Awake the Rapper brand.

More cops decreases the likelihood of deadly force being used during the arrest.

That is a good point. Why don’t they go back to patrol cars with two cops, ala Adam 12. One to talk to the driver, one to hang back and scope out the scene. Sure, they’ll write fewer tickets. They might also end up shooting fewer people. And they might end up with fewer cops shot too.

This was/is THE best, most honest advice to Black American men how not to get beaten or killed by the Police.

Chris Rock – How Not to Get Your Arse Beat by the Police

How about some simple dress to not get killed by the police suggestions.

Don’t wear ski masks in the middle of the Summer.

Don’t shoot at the police with a hand gun.

I mean WTF?

https://twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1544112032869502976

MK Ultra.

I told you guys.

I wouldn’t be surprised if a large fraction of these “mass shooting” events involved MK Ultra and various types of intelligence agency support.

Just look at that bizarre shooting that just happened in Uvalde, Texas. Remember that shooting in Las Vegas back in 2017 (in which over 400 were wounded)? Lots of “mass shootings” are very strange when you begin to look into the details.

you pay the price if you shoot a fellow named Walker

Can confirm.

Driving a wanted car and then running from the cops in the middle of the night? I bet they had a good idea.

> The media WANT riots, they WANT your city destroyed, they WANT people to die and buildings to burn.

Well… kind of. But not so much, now that the orange menace is impeached etc etc and his insurrectionists are in solitary etc etc. As a former avid NPR listener, I can tell you that few of my former peeps have much aptitude for rioting.

Reinforcing the Current Year’s DIE-YT is more their speed.

Those people are really making Chicago dangerous…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highland_Park,_Illinois

Highland Park is a suburban city located in the southeastern part of Lake County, Illinois, United States, about 25 miles (40 km) north of downtown Chicago. Per the 2020 census, the population was 30,176.[2] Highland Park is one of several municipalities located on the North Shore of the Chicago metropolitan area.

[…]
As of the 2010 United States Census,[18] there were 29,763 people living in the city. The racial makeup of the city was 91.05% White, 1.84% Black or African American, 2.9% Asian, 0.18% Native American, 0.03% Pacific Islander, 2.51% of some other race and 1.48% of two or more races. 7.28% were Hispanic or Latino (of any race).

Re: lettering in wrestling and cross country being a rare combination.

My synopsis of that background article wasn’t precise — it’s likely but not certain that Jayland Walker got varsity letters in those sports. Direct quote is:

Walker and [his friend Tyler] Cox were on the cross-country, wrestling and baseball teams together.

Yeah — sounds like a pretty unusual combination, though that’s a sport in the fall, then winter, then spring.

blah, blah, blah SIXTY SHOTS.

Cops in the USA have become serious pussies.

> the real outrage in Akron should be about the recent savage attack where four black thugs stomped a kid to death on a playground in that city.

That incident… brutal.

On June 2, 17-year-old Ethan Liming and three friends were driving around, annoying bystanders with a super soaker. At 10:30 pm, they stopped to do this at a basketball court. Video shows the players running off, then circling back to the car. Three (or all four) then beat Liming to death.

Akron Police Chief Stephen Mylett acknowledged the community’s [sic] “outpouring of support” for Liming’s family and the case.

“There is nothing [sic] to indicate race played a role in this homicide,” said Chief Mylett.

This very boring and very long ago dog-bites-man non-story was not covered by NBC Nightly News With Lester Holt. Or NBC Today. Or CBS Evening News. Or NPR.

And, of course,

Your search – Ethan Liming Akron site:nytimes.com – did not match any documents

Control search: 18,300 results for “emmett till” site:nytimes.com.

Jay Walker, use your head
Do what the po-lice said
Don’t be like Phil Castile
His wounds will never heal

Jay Walker, for heaven’s sake
Don’t be like Jacob Blake
He paid the cops no mind
Now he lays flat on his spine

I wrestled for two years in high school. Wrestlers run a lot for two reasons:

To improve stamina.

To make weight before a match.

So while it seems like an unusual combination, a 5’8″, 145 16 year old doing both of those sports doesn’t really seem out of the question.

Considering he was unarmed, I would rate the chances about 70/30.

I don’t know if you know this but you may not know that someone who ditched a gun he used to shoot at you seconds before is unarmed. In fact, it’s prudent to assume that he is.

It was at night too…..since I’m SURE he was turning his life around he should have been at home studying

I hope that some day we will find out the real reason why Cuomo was deposed…did he refuse to back down from a planned run for Prez in 2024? Did he offend somebody big, like Soros?

I hope, but like Mark, I am harassed with doubts.

That kinda defeats the purpose of having a gun, doesn’t it?

The only common theme I’m seeing in Crimo’s videos is MK ULTRA; in fact, the argument to make here is that the kid’s obsession with goggle-eyed demon-haunted sleep-deprived sleepwalkers, who must carry out their mission even though no one will understand at the time, and who get taken out by police, is, it’s too on the nose, it’s a teenager’s cartoonish notion of MK ULTRA. The only decorations on his wall were his 4/7/monkeywrench sigil and — an apparent museum gift shop replica type copy of a newspaper headlining Oswald’s shooting by Jack Ruby.
I wonder how many of these human-driftwood-golems would be so easy to move to murder, by the government or by random media and the desire for meaning, had we not spent thirty years prosecuting a war on boys and masculinity. These are subhumans without dignity. It would hardly take cutting edge government hypnosis to spin them up. They’re closer to the normally-harmless lunatic in His Girl Friday. They could probably be totally solved with what used to be normal childrearing, but that would be un-feminist.

You only need MK ULTRA until you hit a critical mass, then the copycats start.

The media WANT riots, they WANT your city destroyed, they WANT people to die and buildings to burn. They’re carefully curating their stories and crafting their coverage to incite maximum rage, hoping to cause maximum destruction. Outrageous

If so, the only reasonable conclusion is that the media and their masters are waging war on America. Isn’t the object of war to kill and destroy an enemy, and to make the enemy powerless? War can be waged without a military.

They had the solution to this problem in the 1970s: a .357 revolver and a 12-gauge shotgun loaded with slugs. You literally had to be a man to shoot them effectively, though.

The reload time is too long with a revolver. If someone is behind a vehicle and shooting at you there isn’t time to load your shotgun up with slugs. Carrying around a shotgun loaded with slugs doesn’t make sense. Too much risk of overpenetration and much easier to miss.

No handgun round is going to stop a vehicle. The best you can do is shoot through the door or windshield and stop the driver. (See above).

Sure it can. Shoot the tire or the radiator. They might drive for a while but they aren’t getting away.

You can shoot through a door or windshield with a 9mm. It’s possible that the first bullet might only crack the windshield but that doesn’t matter if you are carrying 17 of them.

Revolvers are fun but they have been replaced in law enforcement for good reason. They are not only slow to reload but a caliber like 357 requires more focus and technique. I can take a Glock 17 and easily pepper a man sized target at 30 yards with one hand and without using the sights. Try that with a 357 and you can see why the police don’t carry them. Most of those 70s police were using 38 specials.

I hope that some day we will find out the real reason why Cuomo was deposed…did he refuse to back down from a planned run for Prez in 2024? Did he offend somebody big, like Soros?

He couldn’t stop playing grab ass.

It had been going on a long time but he couldn’t keep his hands off the women.

He liked grabbing women inappropriately and played it off as being Italiano.

Isn’t every cop going to perceive flight as admission of guilt?

an admission of guilt? they’re not a jury, and they don’t get to impose the death penalty because they are made to feel anxious.

There is one person or thing who is responsible for this – Robert E. Crimo III. Not our elites, not our “poisonous atmosphere”, not his family (who appear to be fine people), not the “alt.right” or white supremacists or Pepe, not gun companies, not any of those. Various groups on the Left and the Right will engage in finger pointing and blame shifting but there is only one person who made a choice to pull the trigger.

There is one person or thing who is responsible for this

Are you sure it isn’t a race of people, John? I mean, I’m as liberal as the next guy, and Jesus died for all of our sins and all, and excuse me for noticing, but these folks seem to do this every couple of days:

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/cherokee-county/cellphone-video-shows-moment-driver-opened-fire-cherokee-highway-during-road-rage-incident/G562VGAFR5E7VNCS7NVREEGKNE/

But if had been doing this for a long time, then why now? Why were his “crimes*” overlooked and forgiven by the Democrat establishment for so long and why did they suddenly stop overlooking them?

*Here are some of his monstrous crimes:

Bennett Charlotte Bennett, an executive assistant and health policy advisor to Cuomo, said [on national TV] that during a one-on-one meeting in the governor’s office on June 5, 2020, Cuomo implied “that I was old enough for him and he was lonely”.

Ana Liss, a policy and operations aide to Cuomo from 2013 to 2015, said Cuomo called her “sweetheart,” [and] touched her on her lower back while they were at a reception.

Etc. These are grown women, not children. OTOH they want to engage in the rough and tumble of office politics and making important policies (modern government has “policies” for everything) but OTOH they are like delicate Victorian flowers who must not be offended in the slightest or they will wilt.

I think part of the answer is that Cuomo, at some point, hit the male equivalent of the Wall, where you go from somewhat older but plausible (due to his position of power) potential mate to a creepy old man who reminds young women of their grandfathers. That Cuomo’s long term girlfriend, Sandra Lee, had abandoned him did not help. Women covet what other women have and they don’t want to be associated with someone that other women have rejected.

Was there some grand conspiracy headed by George Soros? Nah, he is too busy plotting the destruction of America to bother with such trifles. OTOH, NY AG Letitia James wanted Cuomo’s job so she is a plausible suspect.

Aaaaannnnd

He’s antifa.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/07/breaking-exclusive-information-uncovered-overnight-shows-highland-park-shooter-bobby-crimo-tied-socialists-progressives-antifa-occult/

Highland Park is a suburban city located in the southeastern part of Lake County, Illinois[…]

As of the 2010 United States Census,[18] there were 29,763 people living in the city. The racial makeup of the city was 91.05% White, 1.84% Black or African American, 2.9% Asian, 0.18% Native American, 0.03% Pacific Islander, 2.51% of some other race and 1.48% of two or more races. 7.28% were Hispanic or Latino (of any race).

Highland Park is part of Northern Illinois communist gun control central…

The ages of the injured ranged from eight to 85-years-old. The area has a large Jewish community, but police have not yet shared a possible motive for Monday’s slaughter.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10984003/Doctor-ran-carnage-Highland-Park-massacre-said-victims-blown-killer.html

Just like Morton Grove, Deerfield… gee whiz, Batman…

There are workarounds for reloading revolvers quickly, such as “moonclips”

That being said, revolvers really are 19th century technology and are no longer the best choice for police work.

They have learned to gang swarm, like wasps or ants. Or American Africans themselves, who always attack in packs.

… they actually do.

Reg, thank you for the reply amd info.

The purpose of having a gun is to incarnate English common law tradition, to keep in practice, to deliver the tyrant to Hell, to deliver the stag to your freezer, to maim and terrorize the invader, to defend yourself and your property, and to teach your son to shoot, in that order.

Etc. These are grown women, not children. OTOH they want to engage in the rough and tumble of office politics and making important policies (modern government has “policies” for everything) but OTOH they are like delicate Victorian flowers who must not be offended in the slightest or they will wilt.

Turns out feminism is–shocker!–a sleazy minoritarian looting grift. (Like all the other minoritarian whines.)

“Strong women” doesn’t actually mean women being responsible for themselves, much less pulling their weight in productivity activity. Not only are they unable to do that, women do not even have any interest in doing it.

No feminism means: “men must give us stuff” … men must give us stuff without women actually having to marry men, have sex with them, keep a home and raise their children. Just give us stuff, period. Because we are women.

Were going to use their guns. Now they will just let blacks drive their unregistered/insured hoopties and 20 year old Mercedes and BMWs wherever and however they want. And do what they want after they land in your suburb.

Pro-tip: if you live anywhere near urban America, and have an an incident with a black criminal, do your best to avoid saying that in the 911 call. Otherwise responding units are liable to have lots of flat tires, engine trouble, and other excuses for slowing down to ensure the bad guy escapes before they arrive.

Eight officers who were directly involved in the shooting have been placed on administrative leave according to department policy, the police said.

“Officials said they would have to complete a marksmanship course before they could return to duty.”

Lots of people assume that cops are real “shooters,” but that’s generally not the case.

Agreed. Gamecock’s observation is that the larger the department, the less skilled the officers.

And just maybe, 9mm is not enough gun. Move up to 40 S&W or 45 ACP.

One more thing . . . pictures of the 8 officers CANNOT BE FOUND !!!

Being Akron, Gamecock guesses at least half of them are Black!.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/4th-of-july-shooting-highland-park-political-1377975/
https://archive.ph/fhd8m

Friends of Robert E. Crimo III, arrested in connection with the Highland Park shooting that killed six, say he was “politically completely indifferent.” https://t.co/ok01SCDYNO

— Rolling Stone (@RollingStone) July 5, 2022

60 wounds, not necessarily 60 bullets. Although it still seems excessive.

Even if it was only two magazines of JFK style “Magic Bullets” (Do they still make those?) twenty rounds seems like more than enough.

There’s a good case to be made that they are best for home self defense.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjkp7w/what-we-know-highland-park-shooter

Oh please don't tell me he was trying to be Agent 47 pic.twitter.com/qrh3MQSD8U

— Crash Test Orphan 🍍 (@Hardporecorn69) July 4, 2022

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_47

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/robert-crimo-47-highland-park-online-b2116461.html
https://archive.ph/PBrac

I agree.

And ditching the gun before your objective is accomplished makes makes all of those, excepting maybe the first, more difficult.

I look at that photo of David Hogg and think, “He looks repellent enough to be our president someday.”

One more thing . . . pictures of the 8 officers CANNOT BE FOUND !!!

Being Akron, Gamecock guesses at least half of them are Black!.

In the interests of seeing this thing over and done with (it is not as though there is much room for doubt about what happened), I hope all of them were black.

Alas, all of the bodycam footage seemed to show white officers.

The fact that the suspect was wearing a ski mask will, I hope, preclude Al Sharpton et al. from showing up and declaring this another outbreak of racism. Not much chance of good sense prevailing these days, though.

I look at that photo of David Hogg and think, “He looks repellent enough to be our president someday.”

Am I the only one fascinated by his dour, completely humourless demeanour?

His life must seem like one endless, joyless slog when everything is so “fate of the world” serious (as he seems to think it is).

Way off t0pic here, mostly, but some highlights on the Highland Park Il parade shooter, now in custody. iSteve will get to it when he’s feeling better:

a. Fits the non Black! shooter profile. Lots of kills as a percent of shots. Did that from a rooftop.

b. Shooter is some moronic White guy. 20s, legal gun purchase though the “high powered” rifle is “illegal” to own in Highland Park (guess they haven’t seen the recent SC decisions). So much for “gun banning.”

c. Perp was per his social media blurbs, an “aspiring rapper”, so it’s a White disease now too.

d. Heavily tattooed. Always an IQ indicator. You do the math…

e. They claim he was “disguised as a woman” when escaping into the fleeing crowd of scared parade goers. Suggested that was because of his numerous tats. My theory: another “Trans related” tragedy caused by the Woke craze for sex “identities” changes. Maybe wants to languish in a women’s prison. I think the tatted up Lezzies there would take care of “her” pronto. Remove unneeded parts.

f. No word yet on motive. Like the Uvalde school killer, sometimes crazy is just crazy…

Yeah, right, in shit hole, banana republics. Don’t kid yourself, you’re no better than any ‘he dissed my brother’ gang banger if you support cops killing a civilian for no better reason than ‘he didn’t obey them’. The only people thrilled over this are the race war, wet dreamers, and of course that panty waist, iflaccid. This is just going to lead to more perps shooting first before any reasonable cop can work to de-escalate. They acted like a bunch of fucking amateur hysterics who never should have had a badge to begin with.

This causes particular confusion in the countries of central and eastern Europe who rebelled against communism in the 1980s because they wanted to be like America.

They simply can’t understand why Americans since then have set about methodically destroying everything that was good about their country.

Back in the day (way back) no one was as alienated as Crimo (rhymes with “do the time-oh”?). I think this was because we all had part-time jobs, and, played a sport. Also, there was no such thing as retreating to the delusional idea that you might become some sort of influencer or rapper; you had to resign yourself to occupying some sort of actual role in society, which meant not alienating yourself from society.

“My theory: another “Trans related” tragedy caused by the Woke craze for sex “identities” changes”

Thanks for spreading disinformation. The suspect on his social media accounts showed a fanatical zeal for QAnon and Trump. He attended two Trump rallies, and with far-right “meme” tattoos. He was also dressed as the character “47” from the video game Hitman. So law enforcement will have to sort it out.

. They claim he was “disguised as a woman” when escaping

I don’t think there was any transgender identity crisis – he wore this as a disguise to get away and it worked (at least so far as it allowed him to escape the immediate vicinity of the crime).

OTOH, the guy is crazy as a loon but OTOH he show a high level of planning and organization which is not usually associated with those who are so mentally ill that they can escape criminal responsibility as a legal matter.

There’s a good case to be made that they are best for home self defense.

And they don’t jam.

“what was supposed to be a routine traffic stop”

No such creature.

The mentally ill always existed.

In September of 2019, a family member reported to police that Crimo was “going to kill everyone” and had a collection of knives. Police responded and confiscated knives, a dagger and a sword from his home, Covelli said. He said there was no cause to make an arrest but police notified the Illnois State Police.

Back in the day he would have been locked up after that. It was understood that such unstable individuals could not be trusted to be in general society any more than you can allow rabid dogs to roam the streets. For the family to call the cops indicated a level of desperation – they knew that they couldn’t handle him anymore and that he was going to kill someone even if it was just his own family.

But locking people like him up was too costly when funds were needed for “other things” and beside, don’t the mentally ill have rights? Does mental illness even exist? Etc.

Modern society is all about not noticing. People like him are crying out to be noticed but the society refuses to notice so he has to keep upping the ante.

Back in the day (way back) no one was as alienated as Crimo (rhymes with “do the time-oh”?). I think this was because we all had part-time jobs, and, played a sport. Also, there was no such thing as retreating to the delusional idea that you might become some sort of influencer or rapper; you had to resign yourself to occupying some sort of actual role in society, which meant not alienating yourself from society.

Nut jobs and criminal have always been around–though dealt with better/faster by society. But we do seem to be producing more dysfunctional people.

I’ve said “they should be milking cows” about young women–living in phone world–numerous times.

But there are very similar things going on with a bunch of young men. Off in video game world and other nonsense.

Some of this is the perils of modernity–especially tech. But some of this is the disaster our “elites” have wrought with immigration and minoritarianism. Trashing the American nation and turning it into their desired globo marketplace. Lots of ordinary young people face mediocre job prospects and have no obvious “path” to follow to normal adulthood of marriage, home ownership and family life.

Those of us who care about our children and their future, need to chuck out not just all this criminal and nut job rif-raff, but all these traitorous elites, and rebuild an America with a path of responsible, productive life for young people.

One wonders where they dredge these people up. Hogg’s father is FBI, IIRC.

If you can’t trust Rolling Stone‘s journalism, whose can you trust? They broke the UVA frat-house gang-rape story!

I don’t think it was hyperbolic when Trump said, “The media is the enemy of the people.”

There is one person or thing who is responsible for this – Robert E. Crimo III. Not our elites, not our “poisonous atmosphere”, not his family (who appear to be fine people), not the “alt.right” or white supremacists or Pepe, not gun companies, not any of those….

Crimo is the only person responsible for his particular actions, but it’s obvious that society is being pushed towards some very ugly places that will bring out the worst in our crazies, if not actually create crazies.

You can’t tell me that rap music and the constant message that blacks are the victims of vicious racism and oppression at the hands of whites does not push some people towards violence. The same is the case for constantly vilianizing white men, changing demographics, discriminating against them via government, and then saying none of it is happening.

Individuals are responsible for their own actions, and that also goes for the people who are purposely stirring the pot, running the economy for their benefit alone, and destroying and altering the nation with absolutely no consent.

Hogg should marry Greta Climateberg. Their autistic-but-still-evil offspring will be the literal Antichrist.

It’s just that the upside comes with a rather large downside if you fail – the charges will be more severe and more will be added on

NYC’s Soros-funded DA Alvin Bragg doesn’t consider resisting arrest a crime.

https://www.alvinbragg.com/declination

I don’t think it was hyperbolic when Trump said, “The media is the enemy of the people.”

I think Trump was understanding the problem.

Thanks for spreading disinformation. The suspect on his social media accounts showed a fanatical zeal for QAnon and Trump. He attended two Trump rallies, and with far-right “meme” tattoos.

Just a minute there, Bovinus. Care to provide any justification for your claims? As you might say, in your best comic-book-guy neck-beard voice “citation needed”.

He was photographed at some kind of Trump event dressed as “Waldo” from the “Where’s Waldo” children’s book series. Not exactly a MAGA-vibe off that. And do right-wing Trump supporters usually present as candy-colored-hair-sporting white-rappers?

All I could think of when I saw a picture of that whacked-out freak is that his great-great grandfather probably hit the beach at Anzio, or served on a battleship in the Pacific.

Understating instead of understanding.

“… the real reason why Cuomo was deposed ..”

Apparently he was a real jerk and widely disliked. So he had no friends when he needed some.

They made him build a plywood cuckshed in back of the house and that’s where he lived. That was their solution to him signalling in every possible way that he was a wannabe shooter. There’s a video of him building it and it actually is one of the happier videos: he looks like a normal kid fully engaged in constructive activity. It’s not badly built, either. It looks like one of those “tiny houses.”

It really is nauseating chutzpah for this disgusting mayor to open her maw about our Constitution when almost every one of this kid’s publicly-posted art projects (to include a painting on the side of his parents’ house) was Nik Cruz fanboyism. Will we trust a gun control regime to the same utterly useless fedtards who are cool with angry teenagers effectively repeatedly telling them “I want to shoot up the place”? Thank god Muslims felt appeased by Obama, if they were still as angry at us as in the 90s, with police like this, we’d all be dead.

“Understating instead of understanding.”

True, but in contexts like these, the word “both” is your friend.

Not saying wrestlers don’t need to be in great shape! Just that the kind of body that’s advantageous for wrestling is wrong for CC, and vice versa. Also, CC is a very white sport (and for that matter so is wrestling).

No I see what you’re saying. But my experience was that all the weight classes under l81 pounds or whatever it was featured physiques that were lean, wiry, thin, etc. that could easily translate to CC. The upper weight classes yeah: Stocky, short legged gorilla like guys for sure.

A Korean guy I played football with was an absolute beast of a wrestler. Went to CIF state finals his junior and senior years and finished in the semis both times iirc. My sophomore year (1990) we had a girl on the wrestling team, probably inspired by the senior who won homecoming queen and kicked a PAT during the same football game that year:

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-11-16-sp-4563-story.html