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From the New York Times news section:

Man Shot by Kyle Rittenhouse Describes the Encounter on a Kenosha Street

The testimony underscores the prosecutors’ challenge in disproving a self-defense claim. Gaige Grosskreutz, who was armed, was shot while responding to an earlier shooting.

By Julie Bosman
Nov. 8, 2021, 6:59 p.m. ET

KENOSHA, Wis. — … As the prosecution’s case in the homicide trial of Mr. Rittenhouse nears an end, Mr. Grosskreutz, 28, calmly delivered testimony for several hours as a star witness for the state. But his testimony at times lent support to Mr. Rittenhouse’s central claim, that he was acting in self-defense when he shot Mr. Grosskreutz and two other men. The testimony underscored a broader challenge for prosecutors, who face the burden of disproving the scenario laid out by Mr. Rittenhouse’s lawyers.

Those lawyers have argued that Mr. Rittenhouse fired in self-defense during a chaotic, lawless night in Kenosha on the third night of protests and rioting after the police shooting of Jacob Blake on Aug. 23, 2020. The first man Mr. Rittenhouse shot, Joseph Rosenbaum, was erratic and threatening to people on the street that night, the defense has said, and in the split second before Mr. Rittenhouse shot him, Mr. Rosenbaum lunged in his direction and reached for his weapon. After Mr. Rittenhouse shot him four times and fled down the street, he shot two others who were pursuing him, Anthony Huber and Mr. Grosskreutz.

“I thought that the defendant was an active shooter,” said Mr. Grosskreutz, who also testified that he came to the protests to provide medical help to people who needed it.

Under cross-examination by a lawyer for Mr. Rittenhouse, Mr. Grosskreutz gave testimony that suggested his role in the events of Aug. 25, 2020, was complicated. Like Mr. Rittenhouse, Mr. Grosskreutz was armed that night, and he was asked why he had falsely told police detectives shortly after the shooting that his Glock pistol had fallen out of its holster that night — rather than saying he had pulled it out, as visual evidence showed. Under questioning, he also acknowledged that he was carrying the gun concealed without a valid permit to do so and that he had denied a request from the police in September 2020 to interview him about the shootings.

As Mr. Grosskreutz described the seconds before Mr. Rittenhouse shot him, he was shown photos that captured him pointing his gun at Mr. Rittenhouse.

“So when you were standing three to five feet from him with your arms up in the air, he never fired, right?” Corey Chirafisi, a defense lawyer, asked.

“Correct,” Mr. Grosskreutz answered.

“It wasn’t until you pointed your gun at him, advanced on him with your gun — now your hands down, pointed at him — that he fired, right?” Mr. Chirafisi said.

“Correct,” he said.

Through five days of testimony, several witnesses who have been called by the prosecution have offered accounts that were complex, rather than plainly favorable to the state’s case against Mr. Rittenhouse. Some witnesses have given testimony that was ambiguous — helpful to the prosecution at some moments and helpful to the defense at others.

One witness, Richie McGinniss, a videographer for The Daily Caller, a conservative news and opinion site, who was standing near Mr. Rittenhouse at the time of the first shooting, told the jury his life was at risk by the shots Mr. Rittenhouse fired. The testimony offered support to a count of reckless endangerment that is among six charges, including first-degree intentional homicide, in the prosecution’s criminal complaint.

Mr. McGinniss gave searing and emotional testimony of the trauma and personal danger that he endured, telling the jury that he stepped out of the line of fire just before Mr. Rittenhouse shot Mr. Rosenbaum, 36, and had to stamp his own legs on the ground afterward to make sure he had not been hit by a bullet.

Mr. McGinniss recalled on the stand how he had tried to save Mr. Rosenbaum’s life, applying pressure to his wounds and loading him into a vehicle to take him to a hospital. When the two were in the back of the S.U.V. together, as Mr. Rosenbaum was dying, Mr. McGinniss tried to reassure him, he testified.

“I was just telling him that we’re going to have a beer together afterwards, and it was all going to be OK,” Mr. McGinniss, visibly shaken at the memory, told the courtroom.

But Mr. McGinniss also offered what could be the defense’s most crucial witness testimony: that he saw Mr. Rosenbaum chase Mr. Rittenhouse into a parking lot, lunge at him and reach for the barrel of his rifle.

If grabbing for the barrel is crucial defense testimony, isn’t the Ahmed Arbery case sunk?

 
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  1. Elli says:

    In the Arbery case, the defendants chased Arbery. If he had been able to seize the rifle and shoot the man holding it, he would have a better self-defense case than the defendants now have.

    Rittenhouse shot the men pursuing him.

    There are “stand your ground” laws. “Chase him down” laws have even more potential of letting things go catastrophically sideways. If it’s a property crime, disengage and call the police.

  2. Off topic: Gavin Newsom has cancelled all public appearances since his booster shot on Oct. 27, including a high profile appearance COP26 in Glasgow (cancelled with 2 days notice).

    The rumor is that he is vaccine injured. Could be Bell’s Palsy or Guillain–Barré syndrome. He’s probably hiding out, hoping his injury will go away. If he has a conscience, he will have a change of heart about his vaccine mandate, and save thousands of CA children from his same fate.

    Also, Psaki has been COVID-quarantining for 12 days. Does that mean she is seriously ill?

    Let’s see if more cracks appear in the façade.

  3. Steve, sorry for spamming posts, but “Trosley jungle freaks hustler” could be a gold mine for you.

    • Replies: @Lockean Proviso
  4. The fact that this trial went forward at all is a testimony to the dark times we live in.

  5. Farenheit says:

    Even the New York Times won’t be able to get their favorite show trail back on course after that testimony. Oh well, the trial down in Dixie has defendants that central casting did a better job on. Excelsior!!

  6. Patriot says:

    A good percentage of police shootings of Blacks happens after Blacks try to grab the policeman’s gun.

    Is this the new woke way to respond to cops and other White supremists?

    • Replies: @Darth Plastic
    , @Rob
  7. fish says:

    If grabbing for the barrel is crucial defense testimony, isn’t the Ahmed Arbery case sunk?

    ….pssssssst……objects of veneration……pssssst……St. George of Floyd!

    Jogger shooters probably gonna burn! Plus they look like Joy Reids bad dreams…..Rittenhouse retains some of that “Aw shucks” wanna grab him around the neck and give him a noogie charm!

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
  8. Rob McX says:

    If grabbing for the barrel is crucial defense testimony, isn’t the Ahmed Arbery case sunk?

    In the Kenosha case, wasn’t there more initial provocation and aggression on the part of those who were shot? In the other case, the McMichaels went out and accosted Arbery when he wasn’t involved in any obvious illegal activity.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    , @Shh he kjfdfgjk
  9. fish says:
    @Guest29048

    Oh my…..if pretty, pretty Gavin winds up with the palsy my Christmas is made!

    • LOL: HammerJack
  10. @Guest29048

    In Psaki’s case, a two week quarantine isn’t too unusual. Obviously a high profile breakthrough case isn’t great PR for the Administration’s mandate push, but I think a longer wait is warranted before too many conclusions beyond that can be drawn.

  11. Arbery was not an innocent victim. He had quite the history (excluded in the case) and was fleeing after casing a construction site in an area with a rash of burglaries where he met the description and likely did the burglary. The prosecutor refused to prosecute because it was not a good case.

    Only after Floyd and lots of pressure did that change.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @siv
  12. Ben Kurtz says:

    Ahh… The old 1945 Imperial Rescript on the Surrender of Japan. It is now one of my wife’s favorite historical references. I take credit for introducing her to it:

    … But now the war has lasted for nearly four years. Despite the best that has been done by every one — the gallant fighting of military and naval forces, the diligence and assiduity of Our servants of the State and the devoted service of Our one hundred million people, the war situation has developed not necessarily to Japan’s advantage, while the general trends of the world have all turned against her interest. Moreover, the enemy has begun to employ a new and most cruel bomb, the power of which to do damage is indeed incalculable, taking the toll of many innocent lives. …

    Understatement of the century. Very Japanese.

    • LOL: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @nebulafox
  13. JimDandy says:

    When I saw Antifa zombies running fearlessly after a guy who was armed with an AR-15, the first thing I thought was: “Meth.”

    Was there a toxicology report for the child raper that Kyle shot?

    • Replies: @Roger
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    , @mc23
  14. Dmon says:

    Mx. Bosman delivered Xir propaganda calmly, describing multiple instances of outright perjury on the part of a key prosecution witness as “complicated”. But at times, Xir carelessness in allowing actual facts to slip into the story lent support to readers’ conviction that Xe is a lying sack of sh*t.

    • Replies: @New Dealer
  15. Twinkie says:
    @Ben Kurtz

    At least the Japanese government acknowledged that the war was going badly for them. This:

    Through five days of testimony, several witnesses who have been called by the prosecution have offered accounts that were complex, rather than plainly favorable to the state’s case against Mr. Rittenhouse.

    … Is just outright obfuscation bordering on lying. The prosecution’s witnesses and their accounts all but acquitted Rittenhouse of the more serious charges… or would have in any sane periods of our history.

    • Replies: @ic1000
  16. D. K. says:
    @Rob McX

    “In the other case, the McMichaels went out and accosted Arbery when he wasn’t involved in any obvious illegal activity.”

    You mean, besides Arbery’s having burgled an unoccupied residence, for the fourth or fifth time, with those crimes caught on a security camera that was installed by the owner, after several thefts from his property? On the video recorded by the third defendant, Arbery is seen dropping an item in the street, while fleeing the scene of his latest crime. Reportedly, that was a hammer. In surveillance video from a house across the street from the oft-burgled residence, there is no sign that Arbery had been carrying a hammer, nor anything else, as he again had approached the unoccupied house which he already had burgled repeatedly. That video also shows that Arbery had been walking down the street, miles from his home, toward the home that he burgled– not jogging, as claimed by the government, the media, and the dead criminal’s family.

    In short, Arbery committed a felony– not for the first time– and was fleeing the scene of his latest crime, after a neighbor had made him aware that the police had been called. The three defendants were attempting to capture the decedent and hold him for the police, near the scene of (some of) his crimes, as allowed by state law. The killer himself had previously interrupted one of Arbery’s several burglaries of the same house, but had retreated when Arbery appeared to be reaching for a gun from his waistband. Arbery, on that earlier occasion, continued with his burglary, but still had fled before the police could arrive. On the day of his death, the defendants had recognized Arbery from his earlier crimes, as they all had seen the earlier surveillance videos, in addition to the killer’s previous face-to-face encounter with the decedent.

  17. CovidTex says:
    @Wandering Learner

    CDC guidelines are 10 days isolation after first symptoms and 24 hours since last fever. Been there. Done that. 12+ days may suggest something more serious than breakthrough case.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  18. Anonymous[153] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: I hope someone writes another article on the namesake of the Navy’s newest ship, the Harvey Milk.

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/jim-jones-harvey-milk-cult-city-secret-history/

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Dmon
  19. “If grabbing for the barrel is crucial defense testimony, isn’t the Ahmed Arbery case sunk?”

    The situations are not the same. Rittenhouse was not attempting to detain Rosenbaum at gun point.

    • Agree: Not Raul
    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  20. @D. K.

    Nothing was taken from the construction site, it was wide open with no doors, no signs, and video of the interior supports that. The owner put the camera in because of reports of people stealing or entering, but oddly didn’t tell the McMichaels or share video with them; but did with other neighbors. No B&E, no burglary, no theft means no felony.

    Travis claimed his gun was stolen when left in his unlocked truck for a week ….while he was unemployed. The previous neighborhood crime was about \$2500 of “fishing equipment”, ie a boat and gear. Are you saying the jogger jogged away hand-towing a bass boat and motor?

    State cops pulled Arbery’s handprint off the truck, near the dent with Arbery’s clothing fibers in it where they’d later admitted to “maybe bumping” Arbery and he then “stumbled and fell into a ditch”. The admissions and transcripts are online. Nothing you say matches any part of the evidence or statements, and your ‘legal analysis’ is worth what we paid.

    Arbery was stupid, McMichaels were stupid, and Bryan was stupid. The entire case is stupid; all the way down to the core of the earth. I get you don’t like ‘certain people’, but if you painted them all green you couldn’t tell one from another. They are all literally that stupid.

  21. @Elli

    In the Arbery case, the defendants chased Arbery. If he had been able to seize the rifle and shoot the man holding it, he would have a better self-defense case than the defendants now have.

    Maybe in the eyes of the CNN public but the law wouldn’t be on his side.

    You can’t take the gun of security guard and shoot him as he tries to prevent you from leaving the store.

    I don’t think they should have pulled guns but the law is on their side.

    I really do understand getting frustrated with criminals but they overreacted. If a residential burglar is just running away then let the police handle it. Even if you are on the side of the law it isn’t going to be worth it.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    , @bomag
    , @Alden
  22. Anon[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Someone on another board pointed out something very interesting about Gaige Grosskreutz.

    The video of the original testimony that he gave to the FBI has vanished. His phone records were never subpoenaed. He has not been charged with anything despite the fact that he plainly lied in the original statement he gave to the police, and he was plainly filmed threatening Kyle with a gun.

    It looks an awful lot like Gaige is an FBI informer. Being a medic would have been excellent cover if the FBI wanted someone to keep an eye on the riot. The FBI may even have given him the gun for protection to use just in case he was threatened with violence during the event.

    The FBI has been known to pressure someone with a criminal record to do some work for them in exchange for getting various charges dropped.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  23. @John Johnson

    Islam is right about thieves.

    • Agree: Bridgeport_IPA
    • Replies: @John Johnson
  24. Roger says:
    @JimDandy

    There was testimony that he was on prescription anti-depressant drugs, and drugs for bipolar disorder.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  25. JimDandy says:
    @hooodathunkit

    Arbery was a stupid, criminally-dangerous piece of shit–this is a documented fact–and he wasn’t a fucking jogger.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  26. syonredux says:

    Is Kyle Rittenhouse related to David Rittenhouse?

    David Rittenhouse (April 8, 1732 – June 26, 1796) was an American astronomer, inventor, clockmaker, mathematician, surveyor, scientific instrument craftsman, and public official. Rittenhouse was a member of the American Philosophical Society and the first director of the United States Mint.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rittenhouse

    One of his famous orreries:

  27. @syonredux

    Kyle, like David, very likely descends from this guy, a Palatine Boor:

    William Rittenhouse
    (1644-1708)

    Palatine boors swarming into our settlements

    Ben was easy on the Boors. Read the paragraph that follows:

    And while we are, as I may call it, Scouring our Planet, by clearing America of Woods, and so making this Side of our Globe reflect a brighter Light to the Eyes of Inhabitants in Mars or Venus, why should we in the Sight of Superior Beings, darken its People? why increase the Sons of Africa, by Planting them in America, where we have so fair an Opportunity, by excluding all Blacks and Tawneys, of increasing the lovely White and Red? But perhaps I am partial to the Complexion of my Country, for such Kind of Partiality is natural to Mankind.

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @syonredux
  28. D. K. says:
    @hooodathunkit

    “Nothing was taken from the construction site, it was wide open with no doors, no signs, and video of the interior supports that. The owner put the camera in because of reports of people stealing or entering, but oddly didn’t tell the McMichaels or share video with them; but did with other neighbors. No B&E, no burglary, no theft means no felony.”

    As a matter of law, you are full of shit. No breaking and entering is required for a burglary, and neither is an actual theft:

    ***

    After the jurors were sworn in, the judge gave them several legal definitions that will help them determine if Arbery was committing a crime when he wandered around a house under construction, and whether the three white men who tried to detain him were making a lawful citizen’s arrest.

    Burglary in 1st degree: Without authority, and with intent to commit a theft, that person enters or remains in the dwelling of someone else. “The dwelling” includes a house, building or structure intended to be used as a residence. It does not matter if the building was occupied, unoccupied or vacant.

    Burglary intent to steal: You may infer intent to steal when the evidence shows an unlawful entry into the place of another where items of some value are present or kept inside, and when there is no other apparent motive for entry.

    Criminal trespass: A person commits the offense when he knowingly and without authority (a) enters upon the land or premises of another person for an unlawful purpose. (b) enters upon the land or premises of another person after receiving prior notice from the owner or rightful occupant that entry is forbidden. (c) remains on the land after receiving notice that entry is forbidden.

    Citizen’s arrest: A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a person may arrest him on reasonable or probable grounds of suspicion. In general, the phrases “in his presence” and “within his immediate knowledge” are synonymous, and a crime is committed in one’s presence if by the exercise of any of his senses, he has knowledge of its commission.

    ***

    https://www.amren.com/commentary/2021/11/opening-statements-in-the-arbery-trial/

    “Travis claimed his gun was stolen when left in his unlocked truck for a week ….while he was unemployed. The previous neighborhood crime was about \$2500 of ‘fishing equipment’, ie a boat and gear. Are you saying the jogger jogged away hand-towing a bass boat and motor?”

    Where did I say that the decedent had stolen those items? How do you know that all of the decedent’s previous illegal entries into that house were made on trips that he had made to the site on foot, rather than in someone’s vehicle? Making an illegal entry with the intent to steal something is a burglary in the 1st degree [supra]; finding nothing there worth stealing, and thus leaving empty-handed, does not obviate the crime of burglary in the 1st degree. The intent may be implied from the circumstances of the illegal entry– and the fact the Arbery had illegally entered the same premises on several different occasions, including at night, would strongly support such an implication, even if Arbery had not stolen anything on the day of his death (which he certainly appears to have done).

    ***

    Mr. English’s health will not permit him to come to court, but he gave a deposition. He said lots of “looky-loos” were on his property and he began to worry about liability, especially because he heard that children were going on his dock in the rear. He installed a security system with cameras. Nothing was stolen from the house in 2019 and 2020, but expensive items were stolen from his docked boat. He had been using his boat, so it was not always at Satilla Shores, and he wasn’t sure where the theft happened.

    On October 24, at 10:19 p.m., Mr. English’s security system pinged him, and he saw Arbery on his dock. He called 911, but Arbery was gone by the time police arrived. Mr. English made a second 911 call that night when he saw a white couple on his property, but they also left before police arrived. Arbery was back at the house on November 18 at 6:53 p.m., and Mr. English made another 911 call. Arbery left before police arrived. Mr. English made a third fruitless 911 call when he saw Arbery on his property on December 17.

    On January 1, 2020, Gregory McMichael’s handgun was stolen from his truck. Nearly six weeks later, on February 11, 2020, at 7:30 p.m., Travis McMichael went outside and saw Arbery. He recognized him, because Mr. English shared security video with neighbor Diego Perez, who showed it to many neighbors, including the McMichaels. Travis called 911. This time, police and several neighbors came outside and searched for Arbery, but they did not find him.

    On February 23, 2020, at 1 p.m., Arbery came back to the construction site and looked around. Matthew Albenze, a neighbor who saw Mr. English’s security videos, recognized him and called the non-emergency police number. An officer was dispatched. Greg McMichael saw Arbery “hauling ass” down the street, as he put it to police. Miss Dunikoski pointed out that Greg McMichael did not see Arbery on Mr. English’s property. He was four houses down, working on his boat on his driveway. He went inside to get his revolver, and his son, Travis, got a shotgun. “Gregory McMichael assumed the worst,” the prosecutor said.

    ***

    Id.

    “Nothing you say matches any part of the evidence or statements, and your ‘legal analysis’ is worth what we paid.”

    This TMZ story, from a year and a half ago, has the third defendant’s video, at the top of the story. You can see the stolen item, which appears to be a hammer, lying in the street, just before the half-way point of the video:

    https://www.tmz.com/2020/05/05/shooting-video-unarmed-black-man-killed-ahmaud-arbery-georgia-jogging/

    Arbery’s illegal entry into a dwelling, with a theft from therein, was a burglary in the 1st degree, which is a felony.

    “I get you don’t like ‘certain people’, but if you painted them all green you couldn’t tell one from another.”

    As both a retired attorney and a citizen of the United States, I am down on violent career criminals like the late Mr. Arbery.

  29. notsaying says:

    This trial should not even be going on. As a 17 year old minor, Kyle Rittenhouse should not have been on the scene with a rifle that night. If he or his parents or the people who drove him back and forth over state lines have ever expressed regrets that he was there at all, I have never heard them.

    Having said that, a much bigger disappointment and complaint I have about all the rioting and violence and property destruction of 2020 is that more than a year later, we still do not know who organized and paid for what was travelling bands of troublemakers who were not real local or sincere peaceful protesters but people with their own separate agendas.

    These people stayed silent at the time and have not come forward even anonymously to anyone in the media and it does not seem that either law enforcement or the media is trying to figure out who was behind what happened, where the money came from or what these people wanted. No one even points out how quiet this summer was.

    Maybe some people forgot or think Biden getting elected satisfied those people. But I didn’t forget and I feel very uneasy when I think how much damage and trouble those few but obviously determined mystery people caused last summer. They are still out there and the lack of interest in them or pursuit of the truth must be very encouraging to them and others who would want to do similar things in the future.

  30. @Elli

    The defendants probably wouldn’t agree but the facts of the cases are less important than the principle that allowing the mass public ownership of guns is akin to madness and the conservative defence of same is a counsel of self-despair.

  31. @notsaying

    As a 17 year old minor, Kyle Rittenhouse should not have been on the scene with a rifle that night.

    No, you should have been. He filled in.

    • Agree: bomag, El Dato, Catdog, Wilkey
  32. @Anonymous

    They’re milking Harvey for all he’s worth.

    Which isn’t much. When Jeff Spicoli portrays you, and it’s a visual improvement…

  33. @Elli

    If it’s a property crime, disengage and call the police.

    Well that’s neat, but 1) the police aren’t particularly interested in property crimes and 2) many property crimes are intermixed with physical assaults — very often one leads to the other.

    Where I live, you’re not permitted to use any kind of physical force when someone is breaking into your house at 4am, but by the time that someone has escalated the event, it’s usually too late for you to do anything about it.

    None of the foregoing should be construed into any kind of defense for yahoos playing with guns in public, no matter what pretext may be in play.

  34. @Farenheit

    Indeed. This case is just too “complex” — which reminds me: have any of the street combatants on the side of “Righteousness” been charged? Too bad this didn’t happen in Kim Foxx territory. Mutual combat!

    Through five days of testimony, several witnesses who have been called by the prosecution have offered accounts that were complex, rather than plainly favorable to the state’s case against Mr. Rittenhouse.

    You see, there’s “good” evidence and then there’s, uh, “complex” evidence.

  35. @hooodathunkit

    … if you painted them all green you couldn’t tell one from another.

    But if you included numbered tags in your scheme, like a wildlife researcher, you could track which ones invade the territories of other ones and take stuff. It is the same the world over.

    Ahmaud Arbery (“Armed Robbery”) is a hunter-gatherer. Plain and simple.

    • Agree: P. Cleburne, bomag
  36. Clyde says:
    @Guest29048

    Off topic: Gavin Newsom has cancelled all public appearances since his booster shot on Oct. 27, including a high profile appearance COP26 in Glasgow (cancelled with 2 days notice).

    The rumor is that he is vaccine injured. Could be Bell’s Palsy or Guillain–Barré syndrome. He’s probably hiding out, hoping his injury will go away. If he has a conscience, he will have a change of heart about his vaccine mandate, and save thousands of CA children from his same fate.

    There is an internet blackout on Newsom possibly coming down with the spike protein blues. Bluesome Newsom The Gruesome.

    Twitter and goog –100% banned
    Bing two mentions — referrals to third tier websites
    DuckDuck — four mentions — referrals to third tier websites
    FoxNews? I do not know
    One America News Network?
    You Tube–banned

    Many mentions by the two new guys who are now in Rush Limbaugh’s time slot. Sean Hannity?

    ____

    Gavin Newsom is out of sight likely because he has Bell’s …
    https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/gavin-newsom-is-out-of-sight-likely ……. gavin-newsom-is-out-of-sight-likely
    Gavin Newsom is out of sight likely because he has Bell’s Palsy from his booster shot They say he has personal issues to attend to… like half his face is paralyzed. It’s likely vaccine-induced Bell’s Palsy or Guillain-Barre syndrome.

    • Replies: @Rob
  37. Anonymous[197] • Disclaimer says:
    @notsaying

    As a 17 year old minor, Kyle Rittenhouse should not have been on the scene with a rifle that night.

    Why shouldn’t he have?

  38. @HammerJack

    Note, I misspoke. We are permitted to restrain someone who has broken into our house, but we are not to injure them. Try it sometime!

    Especially when you are groggy at 4am, whereas they’ve only been awake 10 or 12 hours. Still, you may not escalate to physical violence what is so far only a crime of property.

  39. Through five days of testimony, several witnesses who have been called by the prosecution have offered accounts that were complex, rather than plainly favorable to the state’s case against Mr. Rittenhouse.

    The finances of Enron were complex, rather than plainly favorable to shareholders.

  40. Ed says:
    @Guest29048

    Photographer caught him at Ivy Getty’s wedding.
    His face looks normal here.

  41. @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna

    It’s a cancellation prompted by such non-current year works as this– verisimilitude is no excuse, apparently:

    https://commonsenseevaluation.com/2015/08/24/cartoon-of-the-day-choosing-what-you-want-to-see/

  42. tyrone says:
    @Guest29048

    ” he will have a change of heart”……funny you should use that phrase ,because the vaccine does change your heart……pericarditis and myocarditis

  43. D. K. says:
    @JimDandy

    Here is the surveillance video, from kitty-corner across the street from Mr. Arbery’s final illegal entry into the house in question:

    The video runs fast, and at an uneven rate, for whatever reason(s). Mr. Arbery enters the scene, stage right, at just before 2:09 p.m. (according to the time shown on the video– which certainly does not seem, to me, to match the shadows!?!), and then enters the garage at about 2:09:35 p.m. About three minutes later, a man enters the scene, stage left, and stops at the far side of the street, across from the burgled house. About a minute later, a vehicle drives by, left to right, and, a moment after it passes, Mr. Arbery runs out of the house, and on down the street, exiting stage left. He was clearly walking, as he approached the house (at circa 2:08 p.m.); he was clearly sprinting, as he departed the house, several minutes later.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
  44. anonymous[219] • Disclaimer says:
    @Guest29048

    Booster shot disaster for Newsom further confirmed on the site of Robert F Kennedy Jr

    It’s telling that Newsom cancelled attending the Glasgow climate conference, Newsom normally eager to show himself in the ‘progressive’ limelight … From the piece on Kennedy’s ‘Defender’:
    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/gov-gavin-newsom-moderna-booster-vaccine/

    A source close to California Gov. Gavin Newsom today told The Defender the governor experienced an adverse reaction to the Moderna COVID vaccine he received Oct. 27.

    The source, who asked not to be identified, said Newsom’s symptoms were similar to those associated with Guillain–Barré syndrome (GBS), a known side effect of many vaccines.

    GBS is a neurological disorder in which the body’s immune system mistakenly attacks part of its peripheral nervous system — the network of nerves located outside of the brain and spinal cord — and can range from a very mild case with brief weakness to paralysis to leaving the person unable to breathe independently.

    The governor has not been seen in public since he was photographed Oct. 27 getting his COVID booster.

    Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., chairman of Children’s Health Defense, today said he “prays for Newsom’s family” and wishes him a quick recovery.

    Kennedy added:

    “However, if it’s true the governor has suffered debilitating neurological injuries following vaccination, it raises grave ethical questions about his seemingly dishonest efforts to conceal his injuries while implementing aggressive policies to force the children and working people of California to endure similar risks.”

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @HA
  45. @HammerJack

    It might be worth a bruise or broken bone to preemptively shoot the perp. Then your family member would get upset with you for going ahead and escalating, so they would lose their temper and hit you with a blunt object. After that, you call the police, suitably chastened, and your family member implores you not to tell the cops that they hit you because they don’t want to be charged with domestic violence. So when the law shows up, you’ve got a body and a boo-boo. What a situation– but it could be worse.

  46. notsaying says:
    @Anonymous

    Kids don’t belong in those types of situations.

  47. @fish

    Frankly, they all look a bit retarded. In CYA, white defendants had better be mighty attractive if they don’t want to fry.

    Even the Daily Mail is running Arbery’s angelic high school prom pic alongside the mug shots of the evil white devils.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  48. El Dato says:

    Mr. McGinniss gave searing and emotional testimony of the trauma and personal danger that he endured

    “Are there women here tonight?”

    • Replies: @Gabe Ruth
  49. @Henry's Cat

    allowing the mass public ownership of guns is akin to madness

    Australia agreed and banned all private gun ownership. Nowadays it is beacon of sanity—oops, I mean a neo-prison colony.

    • Thanks: beavertales
    • Replies: @Momus
  50. El Dato says:
    @notsaying

    Agree, but grown ups behave like complete bottoms under the boot of liberal stormtroopers with perverse tendencies, so who’s going to do the actual job?

    “Leave the real work to your kids” is the new motto.

    • Agree: bomag
  51. Mike Tre says:
    @hooodathunkit

    I love glib commentary like this. If you think residents of a neighborhood/community just have to put up with people (read: negroes) entering them with no legitimate reason to be there then you are insane.

    People defending their lands from invaders (which this situation is a microcosm of) is one of the most fundamental rights of humanity. For you to say they are all the same merely speaks to your own malevolence.

  52. @D. K.

    He was clearly walking, as he approached the house (at circa 2:08 p.m.); he was clearly sprinting, as he departed the house, several minutes later.

    It speaks volumes about their stranglehold on the flow of information in this country that the MSM feel absolutely no compunction about blatantly contradicting facts available in the public record. Put another way, “who are you going to believe, us or your lying eyes?”

  53. D. K. says:
    @hooodathunkit

    REPRISE:

    “Nothing you say matches any part of the evidence or statements, and your ‘legal analysis’ is worth what we paid.”

    Here is another portion of American Renaissance’s coverage of the opening of the Arbery trial, this time from the defense attorney’s opening argument, rather than from the prosecutrix’ opening argument.

    ***

    Mr. Rubin told the jury, “The video that you watched . . . in the State’s opening statement doesn’t even begin to tell the story in this case. It’s like looking through that knothole in the fence and thinking you’re seeing the whole baseball field, when you really only see the outfield.”

    In Satilla Shores, property crimes had gone up such that:

    the neighborhood was on edge, so much so that behaviors began to change. . . . Some children were not allowed to play outside after dark. Residents installed home surveillance cameras to catch the thieves that were taking their property. And neighbors in Satilla Shores felt a duty and responsibility to each other to post on the neighborhood pages, Facebook and Next Door, about the crime that was happening.

    On these sites, residents reported feeling “nervous” and “violated.”

    Mr. English had valuables on his property: boats and a camper. He saw Arbery on his security cameras four times. There were no lights in the house, so infrared camera captured Arbery wandering around inside in the dark. Mr. Rubin told jury that Mr. English said he didn’t mind curiosity seekers coming to his house during the day, but that “there is no legitimate reason why this man should be on the property at night.”

    Mr. English noticed that a satellite system, cooler, and microphone system were missing from his boat. From early November through February, he told people that they were stolen from his boat docked behind his new house, but he changed his story after the McMichaels were arrested, and said he wasn’t sure where the boat was when the articles were stolen.

    On November 18, a week and a half after the theft of the boat equipment, Mr. English saw a suspicious white couple on one his security cameras, but they were gone when police came. He decided to move his boat from Satilla Shores because it wasn’t safe. That night he saw Arbery on his security camera again, looking at smaller boats he had in his unfinished garage. He described Arbery’s actions to police as “plundering around.”

    Mr. English was frustrated that every time he called the police, Arbery was gone before the cops could question him. In a text conversation, a neighbor two houses down, Diego Perez, offered to respond if strangers were on Mr. English’s property again. Mr. English gave Mr. Perez his permission and thanked him. “I may be able to intercept them or pen them up for the police,” Mr. Perez wrote. “When seconds count, the police are minutes away.”

    A police officer canvased the neighborhood using stills from Mr. English’s video, but no one could identify the black man. “He is, at this point, a scary mystery,” Mr. Rubin told the jury. A nighttime video from December 17 showed Arbery coming out of the house, looking around, and then running. “The question remains: Was he out for a jog, 10 o’clock at night, December 17th? Or was he doing something else? And we’ll never know, but it sure does look suspicious.”

    Mr. Rubin said the prosecution got some facts wrong. On February 11, 2020, Arbery’s fourth time in the house, Travis McMichael called the police. Travis went out at 7:30, after dark, to fill his gas tank. He saw a man in the shadows as he drove up Satilla Drive, and the man hid behind a red porta potty in front of Mr. English’s property. Travis pointed his headlights at the porta potty and got out of his car to ask the man why he was there. The man stepped out of hiding and reached into his waist, as though reaching for a gun. Travis was fearful and got back into his car, went home, and called 911. Part of the 911 call was played in court: “When I turned around and saw him and backed up, he reached into his pocket and ran into the house. . . . So, I don’t know if he’s armed or not, but he looked like he was acting like he was. So, you know, be mindful of that.”

    In Mr. Rubin’s words, Arbery still had “the audacity, the brazenness” to go into the English house, knowing that someone had seen him. Greg and Travis McMichael returned to the house, armed. Diego Perez also went, armed, “because it was their duty to protect each other.”

    An officer arrived and thanked them for their help. Mr. Rubin told the jury the officer did not tell them to put their guns away, or to go home, nor did he tell them that they were not allowed to detain the suspicious man if they found him. “It is a citizen’s job to help the police, and the law authorizes that,” Mr. Rubin said.

    Mr. Rubin therefore explained that the first time Travis saw Arbery face-to-face, he knew that Arbery had no good reason to be there. He knew that Mr. English said valuables had been stolen. “From his ten years in the Coast Guard, he has probable cause to think that a burglary has occurred,” Mr. Rubin said. He explained that the definition of burglary says there must be “intent to commit a felony or theft,” emphasizing the word “intent,” because probable cause can exist even if nothing had been stolen.

    ***

    https://www.amren.com/commentary/2021/11/opening-statements-in-the-arbery-trial/

    If you were merely pointing out that opening arguments by opposing counsel are not actual evidence, then you were right, for once. Nothing that opposing council argue in court is actual evidence in a trial.

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon, Ron Mexico
  54. That testimony from Grosskreutz was so embarrassing that Reuters flat out about it

    ‘”And once your firearm is pointed at Mr. Rittenhouse that’s when he fires, yes?,” Chirafisi asked.

    “No,” Grosskreutz said.’

    https://archive.md/moobZ

    They silently edited this once the court video started trending on social media.

  55. @Patriot

    it’s called “complying with the officer” …….just blows my mind that every damn time the stories are told the press never mentions that one “important” fact! WTF?? or they forget to tell you that he had outstanding warrants…….here’s one for you – when was the last time you saw a story on a black militia? ……it’s like they don’t exist! ……wait, one more – when was the last time you saw a Democratic politician get in trouble and it made the news? like they’re all f**kin’ angels and only “deplorables” do bad things. the mainstream media is aiding and abetting the socialists to divide America with propaganda that would make Tokyo Rose proud.
    remember – THE REVOLUTION STARTS……in the mind.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  56. Art Deco says:
    @CovidTex

    Maybe she isn’t a total sociopath and actually hates her job.

  57. Art Deco says:
    @Henry's Cat

    Allowing ‘mass public ownership of guns’ is in accordance with the Constitution and an antique entitlement. A free man is permitted to defend himself. ‘Mass public ownership’ generates no problems. The majority of homicides occur in urban slums where the troublesome population consists of people who have lost their right to carry consequent to criminal convictions.

    • Agree: Paperback Writer, JMcG
  58. Feryl says:
    @notsaying

    Trump derangement syndrome is quite real. With Biden in office these nutcases went back to sleep. Not so “woke” after all, huh? Anyway I did see a video from project Veritas (I think that’s the source) which showed a middle aged woman and others talking about how they would “shut down” DC in the event Trump was declared the winner of the 2020 election. These people had maps and detailed plans. They didn’t outright call for violence but obviously street mob thuggery would accompany the “protest”. Let’s also not forget the “war games” type study done by various experts which predicted that a Trump re-election was going to be far uglier than a Biden win. I do believe a Trump re-election would’ve plunged us into either a Civil War or an institutional coup against Trump to prevent
    Left wing unrest (with uncooperative Judges, politicians, secret service, military leaders etc. put on trial for “treason”).

    Trump in office really raised the nation’s temperature, and I can imagine that even a lot of the GOP would’ve been frightened enough to coup Tump out had he been re-elected.

    • Agree: Old Prude
  59. Anon[305] • Disclaimer says:

    He seems to have competent counsel. That’s all you can ask. That, and reasonably unbiased juries.

    There has been a movement lately to shame and cancel attorneys who take on unpopular cases. U.S. law is an adversarial system and it depends on each side having adequate counsel. I think the Charlottesville auto death kid didn’t have a competent attorney. That should have been a much closer decision. The black Harvard law professor who was helping with the Weinstein defense was demoted after student and faculty protests. This sort of thing is really unconscionable.

    In the old days you had your F. Lee Baileys and the ACLU guys, and every serial murderer got top-notch defense.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
  60. Rob says:
    @Patriot

    That blacks often try to grab cops’ guns is likely the result of the media narrative that cops are murdering black men. This is yey more black blood on the hands of the Current Year narrative. Yes, I know it’s been several years, but it was the Current Year then, too.

  61. tyrone says:

    Trump was reelected…..and the GOP did coup him out….and as for the civil war, don’t worry ,it’s coming.

    • Agree: Kylie, Ron Mexico, Ron Mexico
  62. El Dato says:
    @anonymous

    Well, that’s unfortunate.

    Guillain-Barré syndrome a known side effect of many vaccines

    Yes, but it’s generally rare.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillain%E2%80%93Barr%C3%A9_syndrome#Mechanism

    There are lots of serious PhDs in there.

  63. @JimDandy

    I don’t know, Jim. I have no idea about the drugs, but I think the antifa Commie left had been used to the ctrl-left Establishment backing them in every way that they thought nobody would ever have the guts to shoot back at them. They will be surprised some more in the future like this. It ain’t 1917 Moscow – there’s one big difference.

    Kyle’s Life Matters!

    • Agree: JimDandy
  64. Watch the trial. Not all may be what it has seemed, at least as media has presented it. If the sequence of events as outlined by shooter’s attorney in opening statement is true, the Georgia whites did not corner, attempt to arrest or really pursue Arbery. They called cops and positioned themselves on road to see where Arbery would go so they could inform cops. Arbery ran up to their position and then ran up to shooter and tried to grab his gun.

    That’s the defense’s story. We’ll see if prosecution can knock it down.

  65. @Henry's Cat

    I hope you are not an American.

    Oh, “defence”. Good! Stay there. We don’t need another Jonathan Mason!

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    , @Mike Tre
  66. @R.G. Camara

    Still, the testimony of Gaige “Lefty” Grosskreutz should sink the prosecution’s case. It and the video clearly show a young lad defending himself against armed (no pun intended, Lefty) assailants. Also when the other thug pulled up and raised his hands, Kyle did not shoot him.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  67. @Henry's Cat

    Only Bezos’ bodyguards and the Capital Hill Police should have guns.

    • Agree: bomag
  68. @notsaying

    The rioters and looters should have been there though.

  69. @Henry's Cat

    The right to bear arms has always been the mark of the Freeman vs. the Serf.

    There’s nothing conservative with restraining a man’s right to bear arms, unless you’re assuming the man in question is a Serf who shouldn’t presume to rise above his station.

    • Agree: AnotherDad
  70. @Farenheit

    Not so fast! The prosecution still has the BLM-Antifa Death-Threat Veto to play:

    In traditional law, the prosecution doesn’t have a case, but in WokeLaw, if favored terrorist organizations don’t like the direction a trial is headed, they can issue death threats to “fortify” the course of justice.

    This is part of Our New Constitution, which was ratified at last year’s Constitutional Convention. You understood that that was what was happening last year, right?

    • Agree: Charon
    • Replies: @Rob McX
    , @Mike_from_SGV
  71. Anonymous[705] • Disclaimer says:

    This whole trial is about Rittenhouse liquidating some FBI “informant” agitators. You can see the hand of the Feds in the Rittenhouse prosecution.

    Grosskreutz took a breathalyzer and his BAL was well over the legal limit yet he had all charges dismissed. Grosskreutz admitted to illegally carrying and concealing a handgun yet no charges were brought. A judge signed a search warrant but the DA’s office instructed investigating officers not to search Grosskreutz’s phone for evidence.

    Anyone who still has any trust in the “justice” system after what they’ve seen in courts, prosecutors, and judges— local and especially federal— in the last few years is a useful idiot spectator 😷 in 🤡 🇺🇸.

  72. Grabbing the gun is not the crucial factor in the arbery trial, race is. Travis McMichael is white, and therefore had no right to defend his life against a Holy One. His father and Bryan were in proximity, and so must be punished.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  73. @Elli

    I saw the arbery video. The McMichaels were stationary on the side of the road, and arbery ran to them.

    • Replies: @bigdicknick
    , @Joseph Doaks
  74. The prosecution took its best shot, but it turns out they didn’t check the quality of their ammunition.

    Fortunate for theprosecution, they can leak juror details to the mob, and they will get their conviction anyway.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
  75. @Rob McX

    Trespassing and fleeing when found out aren’t obvious enough for a moron like you.

  76. Kyle is certainly an unlikely hero, even for career fabulists. A prissy girlyman cop wannabe who has to have mommy drive him to a protest with an assault rifle someone else had to buy for him – that spells nothing but evil intention. The little cockroach puts himself into a tense situation so he can live out his macho man computer game fantasy in real time – and he guns down a mentally ill homeless man. But I guess those Negroes and Marxists are so scary that we can just throw out due process that used to be the essence of “law and order.” We’re back in the Old West, podner, and the only justice comes from the barrel of a gun – gosh, just about what chairman Mao once commented, son of a gun!

  77. @notsaying

    ….more than a year later, we still do not know who organized and paid for what was travelling bands of troublemakers who were not real local or sincere peaceful protesters but people with their own separate agendas.

    The Open Society Foundation and FBI would be good places to start looking….

  78. Rob says:
    @Clyde

    Those of you who “want to do your own research” have researched the vaccines to the extent that you know the two mRNA vaccines do not contain spike protein, right? They each code for only a part of the spike protein. In both constructs, various residues have been replaced by proline, an amino acid that has its movement restricted by a bond between the side chain and the amino (imino in protein) group. The “spike protein” that the mRNAs code for is doubly inactivated. It is extremelt truncated and cannot move from the metastable “prefusion” state to the membrane fusion conformation.

    The dose of spike protein (or “spike protein”) that you get from the vaccine is much lower than the dose you will get from covid.

    Y’all know all this, right?

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    , @Clyde
    , @Clyde
  79. ic1000 says:
    @Twinkie

    Compare the NYT’s Outer Party newsfeed with what’s offered to Flyover Country’s Outer Outer Party. Here’s a comparison with what Rust Belt City’s NBC affiliate fed its viewers during this morning’s local news.

    “I thought that the defendant was an active shooter,” said Mr. Grosskreutz, who also testified that he came to the protests to provide medical help to people who needed it.

    Yep, saw that.

    …[Mr. Grosskreutz] was asked why he had falsely told police detectives shortly after the shooting that his Glock pistol had fallen out of its holster that night — rather than saying he had pulled it out, as visual evidence showed.

    Nope.

    Under questioning, he also acknowledged that he was carrying the gun concealed without a valid permit to do so and that he had denied a request from the police in September 2020 to interview him about the shootings.

    Not a whisper.

    [On the stand, Mr. Grosskreutz] was shown photos that captured him pointing his gun at Mr. Rittenhouse.

    “So when you were standing three to five feet from him with your arms up in the air, he never fired, right?” Corey Chirafisi, a defense lawyer, asked.

    “Correct,” Mr. Grosskreutz answered.

    “It wasn’t until you pointed your gun at him, advanced on him with your gun — now your hands down, pointed at him — that he fired, right?” Mr. Chirafisi said.

    “Correct,” he said.

    That didn’t happen, either. A three-minute segment is long, but not long enough to cover all these complex and probably extraneous details.

    Obviously.

  80. Rob McX says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Shouldn’t he be arrested and charged with making these threats? I bet he would be if he were on Rittenhouse’s side. America has got to the stage where political trials are decided by threats and intimidation.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
  81. @Wandering Learner

    Trump, a technically obese septuagenarian, was in and out of Walter Reed in like a day and a half

    • Replies: @AKAHorace
  82. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Kyle’s Life Matters!

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  83. @Rob

    And yet, tens of thousands of persons who have taken either of the two major mRNA vaxxes have presented with conditions like clotting, embolism, TTC, myocarditis, spontaneous abotions, etc. that are likely attributable to the spike protein, which is a pathogenic cytotoxin by itself.

    But to your point about the vaxx-induced spike proteins being shorter, it is precisely the narrow-band protection of the vaxxes that leads to “escape” and “breakthrough” among the vaxxed.

    When you look at the Absolute Risk Reduction of the vaxxes and adjust for the risks introduced by the vaxxes themselves, the vaxxes are of dubious value for anyone under 70 who does not have one or more serious co-morbidities.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
    • Replies: @TWS
  84. @The Alarmist

    If the judge in the Chauvin case is any indication, no one will have to do any leaking. He’ll do it for them.

  85. FPD72 says:
    @notsaying

    The laws of the United States disagree with you. Per the Militia Act of 1903, the government recognizes the “Unorganized militia – comprising the reserve militia: every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the State Defense Forces, National Guard, or Naval Militia.”

    With parental permission, seventeen year olds may enlist in the military forces.

  86. @Anon

    But the wokesters, despite being atheists, will quote from Handel’s Messiah: “With God On Our Side, Who Can Be Against Us?”

    In riposte, there’s a great quote from “A Man for All Seasons”…

    [MORE]

    “William Roper: “So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!”

    Sir Thomas More: “Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?”

    William Roper: “Yes, I’d cut down every law in England to do that!”

    Sir Thomas More: “Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned ’round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man’s laws, not God’s! And if you cut them down, and you’re just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I’d give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety’s sake!”

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  87. @El Dato

    Yes, but it’s generally rare.

    Until this year.

    PhDs … Parrots in High Definition, repeatedly squawking “Rare, Rare, Rare” and “Safe and Effective, Safe and Effective.”

  88. Ralph L says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    It ain’t 1917 Moscow

    Or St. Petersburg, where the revolutions occurred.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  89. The McMichael’s never uttered the words, “citizen’s arrest”, to Arbery.

    The police had been summoned, and the McMichael’s knew it, but Arbery didn’t. The McMichael’s reportedly called out, “We just want to talk to you”.

    Their strategy was to delay Arbery long enough for the police to arrive and effect an actual lawful arrest. This likely would have led to uncomfortable questions for Arbery, such as why he’s so far away from home, meandering through a neighborhood and trespassing on private property.

    The “just out for a jog” alibi wouldn’t have held up to scrutiny. He was known by authorities for using the jogging ruse as part of his petty theft career.

    Arbery attacked and grabbed the shotgun out of anger, because he knew he was caught doing wrong, and that’s how he dealt with it: the best defense is a good offense.

    If he was an actual jogger, he’d wouldn’t have been trespassing on property in Satilla Shores. If the McMichael’s had stopped him on the highway five minutes east, he could have plead the jogging claim. Under the circumstances, the McMichael’s had good reason to call the authorities and facilitate a meeting between Arbery and a patrolman.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
  90. Dr. X says:
    @Elli

    There are “stand your ground” laws. “Chase him down” laws have even more potential of letting things go catastrophically sideways. If it’s a property crime, disengage and call the police.

    Prudent advice, but from a legal standpoint, Georgia state law at the time did make allowances for citizen’s arrest, complicated by the fact that McMichaels was a former cop who had routinely chased people down rather than disengage.

    The Arbery case is much like the Zimmerman case in Florida, where the cops saw no evidence of a crime and the defendants were only charged some time after the incident when the case became politicized.

  91. Dr. X says:
    @Henry's Cat

    The defendants probably wouldn’t agree but the facts of the cases are less important than the principle that allowing the mass public ownership of guns is akin to madness and the conservative defence of same is a counsel of self-despair.

    Surely, then, the answer must be to have The Party control all the guns… just like the Soviet Union?

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  92. @notsaying

    The well funded, roving gangs of troublemakers represent so-called community organizing at its most basic level. During Obama’s fundamental transformation there was an explosion of new, well funded not for profits all across the country: jobs for da boyz. Couple that with his implementation of The Chicago Way – weponizing governmental departments – and you have a big old barrel of organized crime.
    You’re right. No one who wants to advance their career will be interested in following any of that money.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  93. @Shh he kjfdfgjk

    Armed Robbery’s final decision was to run at and attack an armed man.

    • Replies: @Lurker
  94. @Almost Missouri

    Yeah last summer is when America officially ended, and New America and its new legal system began, blacks were elevated to divinity, and all the weird/violent anti-normal groups were elevated to Holy Angels. In our nrw theocracy, people may not go against the gods or angels.

  95. Rob says:

    Grosskreutz did not seem “calm” when he testified. He looked and sounded flattened as if he were drugged. His eyes were glassy. Normal people would register some emotion describing being crippled for life. Did he feel that he deserved it?

    Interestingly, Rittenhouse pretty much did what Brandon said cops should do: shoot people who threaten to kill them to disable, not kill. Grossygross pointed a gun at Rittenhouse with his right hand. Then Rittenhouse shot his s right arm. But he received no praise from Brandon. Strange.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    , @Almost Missouri
  96. @Achmed E. Newman

    OK or 1917 St. Petersburg, for the historians. I dunno …

  97. nebulafox says:
    @Ben Kurtz

    Well… not necessarily, no pun intended. A lot of ordinary Japanese people couldn’t understand the broadcast in 1945, because the emperor talked in such a formal, ritualized court language. The written version had heavy doses of arcane imported Chinese characters, not used in daily Japanese, so that didn’t make things better.

    That said, by the summer of 1945, all the urban centers of Japan had been burned to the ground, and Okinawa had fallen. It’s unlikely the Japanese people needed the emperor to tell them that the war was going badly. What is significant (and this is the part that is Japanese) is the verb “必ずしも” carries an additional, more subtle implication that doesn’t translate best into “not necessarily”. It’s more like “despite the best efforts of the nation, things are not going to get better”. That translation detail is crucial in the context of the speech.

    • Thanks: Voltarde
  98. Gordo says:
    @Elli

    If it’s a property crime, disengage and call the police.

    In an ideal world yes.

  99. @Shh he kjfdfgjk

    Right! I was reading the new comments and just about to comment on this. Always the hand with the race card is a real cool hand (Luke). So far, the legal Establishment is not as intimidated by the Commie Left as it is by the Holy Ones, as you rightly dub them. That could change, but I’m glad to read of this news of the trial.

    PS: Who picked your interesting handle, the cat walking across your keyboard?

  100. Redman says:
    @El Dato

    GBS was the reason they stopped the last national vaxx movement during the Ford administration in 1976. What’s different now?

    The point is that the vaccine has side effects, even if rare, and it provides limited benefit (4-5 months, maybe less) for a virus that has a minuscule lethality rate.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  101. bomag says:
    @John Johnson

    If a residential burglar is just running away then let the police handle it.

    That’s a subtext in these trials. The authorities are retreating from prosecuting property crimes.

    Street justice is problematic, but it has effectiveness, and why otherwise suffer abject surrender?

  102. bomag says:
    @notsaying

    Plenty of rioters on the other side were of such age. I don’t hear much criticism of them or their parents.

  103. @Ed

    It could be him. The face is blurred out in the photo, as it should be since the focus is on the bride.

    After reading about the wedding, I can see why they would want to keep his attendance out of the news, if he did really did skip COP26 for it. The opulence of the festivities rivals the Czars (who at least provided commemorative mugs for the masses). It looks packed by the great and the good, the same ones who have been preaching social distancing, mandatory face masks, and other absurdities for the last 18 months. (My new personal favorite is a high-end private elementary school in San Francisco that forces students to quarantine for a week after taking public transportation.) I can see why the press would put a total blackout on this thing. It makes one think that the excesses of the French Revolution are not so excessive.

  104. Jack D says:

    I think the prosecution has (purposely) set itself up for a fallback compromise verdict with the reckless endangerment charge – Rittenhouse gets acquitted of murder (it’s hard to say that the prosecution has disproved self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt as is its burden) but maybe the jury goes for reckless endangerment.

    I’m not sure what the sentence for reckless endangerment is in WI – often what the jury thinks is a compromise results in the defendant getting hard time anyway.

  105. @notsaying

    Along the same lines, we have to wonder why the identity of QAnon has not been revealed when surely our mighty surveillance state knows who it is. If the government could identify and round up hundreds of January 6 protestors and imprison them on the most petty of charges, why not the great mastermind? At this point, we have to assume QAnon was just another COINTELPRO operation. Our media has no interest in pursuing this or any other stories that would undermine the narrative.

  106. @James B. Shearer

    “If grabbing for the barrel is crucial defense testimony, isn’t the Ahmed Arbery case sunk?”

    The situations are not the same. Rittenhouse was not attempting to detain Rosenbaum at gun point.

    It depends. Arbery escalated the situation. Using Andrew Branca’s framework of “innocence, imminence, proportionality, avoidance, and reasonableness,” from Arbery’s viewpoint as far as I know he wasn’t subject to imminence of a lethal threat. By trying to take a long gun, which is all too easy by gaining superior leverage by grabbing it outside of the wielder’s grip, he gave the wielder imminence just like the people in Kenosha who tried to grab Rittenhouse’s rifle. If any of those had succeeded there would have been a threat of imminent lethal force against the former wielder.

    When you say the situations are not the same, you’re speaking to other elements of the framework. Did they lose innocence by attempting a citizen’s arrest? Did they violate a state avoidance requirement? Seeing has how the pozzed Negro idolaters in the state GOPe saw fit to cancel their law allowing citizens arrests after this incident it wouldn’t seem murder is a legitimate charge, vs. perhaps unlawful imprisonment.

    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
  107. Barnard says:
    @Rob

    This is the New York Times they had to invent some facts to help their readers manage the news. What percentage of NY Times readers do you think know about the previous criminal convictions of the vermin Rittenhouse shot? I bet it is less than 20%.

  108. @Achmed E. Newman

    You shouldn’t take offence to his spelling when it’s his reasoning that is flawed.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  109. kihowi says:
    @Guest29048

    Sir, there is no noticing anything about the virus on this blog.

  110. @Hangnail Hans

    IIRC, the law didn’t serve Sir Thomas very well.

    • Replies: @FPD72
  111. @Anon

    The video of the original testimony that [Grosskreutz] gave to the FBI has vanished. His phone records were never subpoenaed.

    Correction to this and your general FBI thesis:

    The FBI never takes video or audio of their interviews with people, instead they write up an account of them after the fact. The reason why should be obvious and if not see the General Flynn saga.

    It was local law enforcement that did or did not do these things. From Andrew Branca’s reporting in Legal Insurrection, they interviewed Grosskreutz, but he was the only person who’s interview they didn’t record, something they’d had have to give a copy of to the defense. They got a warrant to examine his phone, but he was the only person who didn’t either voluntarily surrender his phone or was forced to do so after being served with such a warrant.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but so far the only visible presence of the FBI in this case is WRT to the FLIR overhead video they supplied, although in an annotated state. The low res version of the original was leaked about two days before the trial began, the testimony of the Special Agent who was the state’s second witness was not televised, I assume it pertained to the provenance of the FLIR, and I think on this same day the FBI declared they’d “lost” the high resolution version. Yesterday or so it was reported they’d “found” it.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @TWS
  112. nebulafox says:

    The Rittenhouse vs. Simpkins contrast meme needs to be played over and over again by the Right before the latter is memoryholed too much. The legalistic accuracy is irrelevant: does anybody seriously think Simpkins didn’t intend to kill, after all, in contrast to Rittenhouse? This is political gold: it’s short, snappy, and leaves an indelible imprint in the minds of normies, whether older ones that vote in the short term, or younger ones who understand the need to eject Conservatism Inc. in the long term.

    People now distrust whatever the MSM says until proven otherwise: a complete reversal from two years ago. It’s time to capitalize on that and go in for the killing stroke before the usual buffoons can waste it all on stupid stuff like tax cuts. Expose the DAs for what they are, and set up the slaughterhouse in ’22.

    Also: infastructure bill is more of a tax cut for the 1% than Trump’s tax cuts were. Use that.

    • Agree: John Milton's Ghost
  113. @Ed

    His face looks normal here.

    Now when you say “normal,” did you perhaps mean “so blurry it could actually be Eddie Munster”?

  114. @Elli

    If it’s a property crime, disengage and call the police.

    The problem with this approach is that most crimes are solved because of evidence gathered by civilians observing suspicious activity. What you’re counseling is to acquiesce to a criminal element because the ruling class has decided that certain people have license to commit crimes. In this case and others similar (i.e. Trayvon Martin) the tacit principle being proposed is that it’s provocative to observe blacks behaving in a suspicious manner, and that they are permitted to respond with violence to whites and white Hispanics who are not “minding their own business.” Recall that Martin was walking in heavy rain in a dark hooded sweatshirt when Zimmerman observed him lingering and peaking into the windows of houses. How would you want someone in your community to respond in such a circumstance?

    Admittedly, however, your advice is good advice for the cause of preservation of one’s individual interests and and to remain unmolested by political prosecutors who are looking for whites to vilify as white supremacists. By the sheer odds you can probably avoid being the victim of a serious crime, in which case you haven’t been harmed by criminals or by the powers that be. You could even rely upon others who prize their own individual interests less and who will nevertheless serve their communities in the interests of preventing crime while risking a personal catastrophe.

    But abandoning the duties of a citizen to the society and community in which you live does not bode well for the long term health of the community. In the hood, the ethos is “stop snitching” and “snitches get stitches” and as a result police have a difficult time gathering evidence of crimes, and the rates of crimes including violent crimes are sky high. Low clearance rates lead to higher crime in a vicious circle. These high profile cases where the Press suppresses what is known about the “victim” in terms of his propensity for criminal conduct, and suppresses exculpatory information while vilifying the accused are an attempt to export “snitches get stitches” from the ghettos to the wider world including your nice leafy suburb.

    Add to all of the foregoing the fact that the PMC’s bloodlust has sought to vilify not only civilians who don’t “mind their own,” but also police for being police. So what you’re left with is civilians being trained to ignore criminally suspicious conduct, and police who are disincentivized from interdicting people engaging in suspicious conduct.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  115. @Jack D

    I think the prosecution has (purposely) set itself up for a fallback compromise verdict with the reckless endangerment charge – Rittenhouse gets acquitted of murder (it’s hard to say that the prosecution has disproved self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt as is its burden) but maybe the jury goes for reckless endangerment.

    I’m not sure what the sentence for reckless endangerment is in WI – often what the jury thinks is a compromise results in the defendant getting hard time anyway.

    I think the problem with a compromise verdict in a case such is this is that the prosecution likely pissed off some of the jurors by offering testimony which is directly contradicted by video evidence. A lot of jurors may want to punish/send a message to a prosecutor who puts them through weeks of inconvenience for a raft of charges the most serious of which were not brought in good faith. A compromise verdict is something you might get if the jury doesn’t think the prosecution has the evidence of the topline charges but thinks that the accused should be punished for something. In this case, Rittenhouse serially defended himself from three grown men who had the intent to cause him serious bodily harm or kill him, and if this is established by the evidence it is likely that some of the jurors will find Rittenhouse sympathetic enough to think that the sham trial was punishment for an errant shot fired by someone in the act of avoiding being murdered.

    It’s also the case that in every jurisdiction of which I am aware it is unethical for a lawyer to proffer evidence to a tribunal which he knows not to be true. Prosecutors have an even higher burden of candor to the tribunal and the pursuit of justice in discharging their duties. How can these prosecutors then ethically offer Grosskreutz’s testimony which is contradicted by the video evidence? There’s no genuine dispute that Grosskreutz had an unholstered handgun in his right hand and was in the act of drawing it onto a supine Rittenhouse as its target when he was shot by Rittenhouse just before Grosskreutz’s arm becomes a fine pink mist. This is something which can be readily established beyond all doubt by the videos of this portion of the incident. How can the prosecution then offer Grosskreutz’s testimony on direct that he had his hands raised in a surrendering posture when Rittenhouse fired?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  116. AKAHorace says:
    @Jake Barnes

    Trump, a technically obese septuagenarian

    Technically obese ?

  117. RobinG says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    About Grosskreutz’s phone…..

    Apparently he’s testified that he never intended to shoot (harm, kill, whatever word he said) Kyle, but iirc, that night or the next day he tweeted quite the opposite sentiment. Does this ring a bell? Would phone record of his “sorry I didn’t plug him” mean perjury?

  118. @D. K.

    None of that stuff is directly relevant to what happened at the time Arbery was shot.

    It’s kind of like the people who say, “Why was Kyle Rittenhouse there?” I think I’ve heard this called Mom Logic.

    It doesn’t matter.

    I haven’t followed the Arbery case and I don’t know why Steve is so hopped about it.

    But I have followed the Rittenhouse case and if he’s not acquitted, it’ll be a total miscarriage of justice. He’s innocent of all charges, even the gun charge. An adult gave that gun to him.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
  119. jb says:

    If grabbing for the barrel is crucial defense testimony, isn’t the Ahmed Arbery case sunk?

    The Arbery situation is much less clear. If you’re unarmed, and I’m chasing you with a shotgun and shouting “I’m going to blow your fucking head off”, and you turn and attack me and grab for the barrel of my gun, and I shoot and kill you, most likely I am guilty of murder. If what I’m shouting is “Stop, or I’ll blow your fucking head off” that changes things a bit, but if I had no right to be chasing you in the first place I’m still probably guilty of murder. Depending on the details of the law, fact that my intent was only to stop you, not kill you, may not matter much.

    The real problem with the Arbery case, as with the George Floyd case, is not that the defendants are being railroaded (they might actually be guilty!), it’s that it’s not just the defendants who are being convicted, it’s all of white America.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  120. Dmon says:
    @notsaying

    “As a 17 year old minor, Kyle Rittenhouse should not have been on the scene with a rifle that night.”

    https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/incredible-story-jack-lucas-youngest-medal-honor-recipient-world-war-ii

  121. Victory is ours!

  122. Dmon says:
    @Anonymous

    The USS Harvey Milk, the navy’s newest oiler. There could be no more fitting tribute to a man who spent his life dispensing lubricant in bodies of water.

    • LOL: Joseph Doaks
  123. @HammerJack

    have any of the street combatants on the side of “Righteousness” been charged?

    Yes, Joshua Ziminski, the guy who started shooting as Rosenbaum was closing in on Rittenhouse from his initial ambush position (the latter revealed in the FBI FLIR video). The Conventional Wisdom has been that he was “shooting in the air” which is still almost certainly a crime in a city, but now there’s some evidence from the trial that he was shooting at Rittenhouse, but with a handgun from enough of a distance at night that he didn’t hit him. Yesterday I read a claim he was a friend of Rosenbaum, not sure about that.

    This turned out to be a mistake, unless it was Rosenbaum throwing something at Rittenhouse which first alerted the latter to look behind and see Rosenbaum was catching up to him.

    It goes without saying the charges against this first shooter were dropped, in this case three or so weeks before the trial began, not that the defense was going to omit pointing out who started shooting first. He also wasn’t charged with illegal possession which should have happened based on a claim he’s been convicted multiple times for domestic violence, and that he has a 2005 marijuana conviction. If you want to research those, I’d check out Wisconsin Right Now.

    So, yes, another scumbag contributing to the situation that got three of his fellow travelers shot.

    • Thanks: ic1000, Gabe Ruth, HammerJack
  124. HA says:

    The photo of the prosecution (allegedly taken after Grosskreutz’s testimony) tells you pretty much all you need to know about how well their case is proceeding:

    • Replies: @WorkingClass
  125. @Redneck farmer

    Islam is right about thieves.

    I think they should be caned in public.

    Would save us billions.

  126. El Dato says:

    OT: Maybe someone who would look good as Feyd Rautha-Harkonnen

    ‘It’s a nightmare’ – Russian figure skating icon Slutskaya on ‘unusual’ men’s rhythmic gymnastics

    Slutskaya, a former double world champion and Olympic silver and bronze medalist, sided with Navka.

    “This is unusual for us. Rhythmic gymnastics from time immemorial has been a sport for beautiful, delicate, aesthetic girls,” Slutskaya told Krasovsky.

    “If it were a different costume, if it were not for such an imitation of female rhythmic gymnastics, perhaps it would be perceived by us a little differently. But when a boy in a skirt comes out…”

  127. Danindc says:

    Any more witnesses for the prosecution and Kyle may get the key to the city.

    • Disagree: Tony massey
    • Replies: @Tony massey
  128. OT: This is from a USA Today article about the indictment of Igor Danchenko:

    It is important to understand how operatives connected to the Hillary Clinton campaign conspired to harness the political system to undermine American democracy and weaken a legitimately elected president.

    Of course anyone with eyesight has known this for years. But the important aspect here is that this information was allowed to appear in one of our many official Pravda sources. I sense that Madame Rodham is becoming persona non grata.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/no-collusion-how-americans-were-fed-a-false-tale-about-donald-trump-s-2016-campaign/ar-AAQuezH?ocid=BingHp01

  129. @Observator

    But I guess those Negroes and Marxists are so scary that we can just throw out due process that used to be the essence of “law and order.”

    Law and order had already been thrown out well before Kyle went down there.

    In case you didn’t notice the system decided to let negroes and Marxists run wild and destroy property.

    There are ALWAYS some rapes behind these scenes in those types of riots but Good Liberal White Society has decided that if negroes are really angry they need to vent even if it means someone might lose a business or worse.

    The system has decided that since Blacks can be emotional at times we need to let them destroy if it makes them feel better. If out of state Marxists show up and start fires then well that’s also the fault of the police for angering them.

    Look at how pathetic your clown world standards have become. Liberals have not only given up on equal expectations but they will lower the standards for Blacks purely on the basis of emotions. They treat Blacks like animals that cannot control themselves and it’s always external factors like a single police video that are to blame. Might as well put up signs that say Do not feed or anger the negroes.

    We’re back in the Old West, podner, and the only justice comes from the barrel of a gun – gosh, just about what chairman Mao once commented, son of a gun!

    Liberals allow Blacks to shoot each other on a nightly basis in about a dozen cities. Kyle shoots a couple rioters while trying to run towards the police and it’s national news.

    It’s not the Old West. It’s clown world.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
  130. @HA

    Can’t get a conviction from a show trial? We need better Bolsheviks.

  131. @Observator

    I’m not closely following the case. These comments are my main source of information.

    When someone travels afar in order to support a cause/group he believes in (Remember the Alamo!), it’s argumentative to point out that such a motivation is baloney and belies deep character flaws. As if such flaws are evidence of guilt. Most people, whose property is targeted by a mob, would pray for volunteers to come to their aid. (Insurance doesn’t cover damage that results from civil unrest, and anti-destruction is not the job of the public union cops.)

  132. Rittenhouse is guilty. He was in Kenosha specifically to defend the lives and property of flyover country–mostly white–people and interfering with the right to riot.

    The law only justifies the use of deadly force to protect our leaders from protests, from having to hear the complaints of citizens and from being inconvenienced.

  133. Art Deco says:
    @Paperback Writer

    It’s kind of like the people who say, “Why was Kyle Rittenhouse there?” I think I’ve heard this called Mom Logic.

    I used to cross paths online with an evangelical woman who signed her self ‘pentamom’. In discussing Michael Nifong’s effort to put on trial for rape three Duke University students he knew were innocent, she kept complaining the youths were at fault for being in proximity to strippers. A variant of this argument was put forward by Julie Ponzi of the Claremont Institute. Ponzi fancied it was the just deserts for the families of the three young men in question to be out six-figure sums in legal fees because (1) one of the young men hired strippers (whose performance he did not attend) and (2) two of them were present for a strip show that lasted all of four minutes.

  134. @Rob

    Rittenhouse pretty much did what Brandon said cops should do: shoot people who threaten to kill them to disable, not kill. Grossygross pointed a gun at Rittenhouse with his right hand. Then Rittenhouse shot his s right arm. But he received no praise from Brandon. Strange.

    Brandon has vacillated quite a bit in his self-defense advice.

    • Replies: @tyrone
  135. @Hannah Katz

    Still, the testimony of Gaige “Lefty” Grosskreutz should sink the prosecution’s case….

    Just one of the charges, pertaining to Grosskreutz. But it doesn’t help when practically all the witnesses called by the prosecution help the defense a lot more than it.

    Also when the other thug pulled up and raised his hands, Kyle did not shoot him.

    Also helps that after Kyle disabled Grosskreutz and forced him to drop his handgun, he didn’t fire more shots at him. Helps to indicate Kyle did not intend to kill him per se.

  136. Biggest shocker for me so far is that the lead detective Antaramian had no idea what stippling is. Literally–no clue! Complained the defense lawyer was putting him “on the spot.”

    Then you realize the Armenian family to which he belongs pretty much runs the city of Kenosha.

    He’s clearly a product of a nepotistic regime which isn’t a crime in itself, until you realize he never charged Grosskreutz with a crime and failed to execute a search warrant on the creep’s phone.

    Antaramian’s uncle (mayor of Kenosha) allowed the violence to go on for three days and clearly sympathized with the anarchists.

  137. @Dr. X

    The Arbery case is much like the Zimmerman case in Florida, where the cops saw no evidence of a crime and the defendants were only charged some time after the incident when the case became politicized.

    And in both cases Republicans fell over themselves in their hurry to throw whites (a “white Hispanic” in the case of Zimmerman) under the bus, starting from the very top of governors and attorney generals.

    Never forget the entire party, from the GOPe to Trump, are our sworn enemies, will always take the side of blacks over awhites lest they be called racist (not that it stops them from being called racists, but they are the Stupid Party). If you doubt, look at how fast they purge anyone who says anything positive about “European civilization” or whites etc., like that House member from Illinois I think it was.

  138. @Ralph L

    I swear I wrote my reply to myself before yours appeared here. Thanks, Ralph, I do know a little history and wanted to correct myself before others did. Missed it!

  139. @Paperback Writer

    None of that stuff is directly relevant to what happened at the time Arbery was shot.

    True, but what happened before that, that the three men knew had happened with this exact, previously identified by one of them in a face to face burglary context as detailed by other commenters very important.

    To the extent of course this isn’t a “Who, Whom?” show trial where if acquitted the Feds will immediately arrest the three in the courtroom as they were prepared to do with Chauvin. Rittenhouse at least didn’t harm a sacred Negro, but we’re wondering exactly which of the people he shot were or might be Jews, at the moment Huber seems to be the only certain one based on his father.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @Paperback Writer
  140. @That Would Be Telling

    “… it wouldn’t seem murder is a legitimate charge, vs. perhaps unlawful imprisonment.”

    Felony murder laws state if you are committing a dangerous felony and somebody ends up dead as a result you can be charged with murder. For example if you and a friend are robbing a gas station at gun point and owner pulls out a gun and shoots your friend dead you can charged with murder.

    In this case if you are attempting to unlawfully imprison somebody and he ends up dead as a result you can be charged with felony murder.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  141. J1234 says:

    Under cross-examination by a lawyer for Mr. Rittenhouse, Mr. Grosskreutz gave testimony that suggested his role in the events of Aug. 25, 2020, was complicated….

    Mr. McGinniss gave searing and emotional testimony of the trauma and personal danger that he endured….

    So, the implications of Grosskreutz’s testimony (that hurt the prosecution’s case) was “complicated” but the testimony of McGinniss (at least the parts that helped the prosecution’s case) was “searing.” Got it, NYT.

    Ironic that both Huber’s and Rosenbaum’s shining moment in life is happening at the trial for their shooting deaths, where their criminal records and prison time (some of it for sex offense) won’t likely be brought up by the attorneys or the mainstream media. This is as good as it gets for them.

    As far as how the case is going, it’s my belief that the outcome was likely decided at jury selection. The jury will vote their political convictions. How things are going for the defense or prosecution may be irrelevant.

  142. Alden says:
    @D. K.

    Tool, , equipment and construction materials theft and burglary is a major business. Supposedly O’ Hare airport near Chicago was built by mafia contractors using mostly stolen materials.

    A Gardner had his pickup parked near our house. In the back was a chained pit bull. Long chain. I asked him why a dog in the back. He explained the dog was to guard against theft. He chose a pitbull rather than an other breed because they’re short haired and hairy dogs hair gets into the equipment and messes up the motors. Said he brushes his dog every night to avoid hair. He said some Gardners use a camper van. But it’s a waste of time to keep kicking and unlocking it and going into the van.

    One of the funniest sights I’ve ever seen in my life was a stack of building materials on the street in front of a single family home building lot. Every night they stacked the materials on the street in front of the lot. Then, using a ramp, they drove 2 cars to the top of the stack. In the morning they put the ramp back, used ladders climbed up and drove the cars down. Lots of time every day. Good mostly White a fewAsian neighborhood. But material and equipment thieves drive around all over looking for construction sites.

    And if there’s copper cable, it’s a bonanza for thieves. Marriott Hotel workers are well known for stealing tools and materials from outside contractors who do jobs in the hotels.

  143. HA says:
    @anonymous

    “if it’s true the governor has suffered debilitating neurological injuries following vaccination,…”

    It evidently wasn’t debilitating enough to make him skip out on the wedding of a Getty heiress on Saturday:

    Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi officiated the 500-person wedding under the grand rotunda of the closed City Hall.

    Newsom strolled in almost late with first partner Jen Siebel Newsom, “very relaxed, happy to see old friends, shaking hands, exchanging hugs,” a wedding guest told The Examiner.

  144. Alden says:
    @Elli

    Hard to disengage and call the police when thugs are dragging you out of your car to steal it. Or one is pointing a gun at you and demanding wallet phone and car keys.

    Disengage means 2 parties involved both with the ability to escalate or disengage. Impossible to disengage when surrounded by the typical streets robbery team. One in front with the gun, one in back to box the victim in, and one in their car for a fast exit from the crime scene.

    You must have learned the big word disengage at your court ordered Conflict Resolution Class.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  145. Wilkey says:
    @notsaying

    This trial should not even be going on. As a 17 year old minor, Kyle Rittenhouse should not have been on the scene with a rifle that night. If he or his parents or the people who drove him back and forth over state lines have ever expressed regrets that he was there at all, I have never heard them.

    Funny how all the people who are obsessing about state borders in this case are mostly the same people telling us that national borders shouldn’t much matter. Funny how all the people upset about this 17-year-old concerned about violence and property destruction in a community just 21 miles from his home have no problem with billionaire CEOs in California pressuring democratically elected leaders in places like Indiana and North Carolina to overrule the will of the voters. There are places 21 miles from me which I routinely visit and which I very much consider to be a part of my hometown.

    There may be good reasons why Rittenhouse shouln’t have been there that night, but there are a thousandfold more reasons why the rioters shouldn’t have been there. The Kenosha protests happened after three long months of violent rioting and looting which had already left several people dead and a billion dollars or more in destruction in their wake. Grosskreutz had already attended 75 of these “mostly peacfeul” riots. Even if the goal of most of these protestors was peaceful, they knew the likelihood that violence would occur, and even the peaceful protestors were aware that their presence would be used as cover for violent acts.

    Rittenhouse was there to stop the violence that our elected leaders have repeatedly refused to stop. He may technically be guilty on some of these counts, but he should be found innocent on all of them for that reason alone.

    The men who shot Arbery may technically be guilty, as well. I’m a little less sympathetic to them, but I do wonder how long people in our country will just be expected to watch people like Arbery come into our neighborhoods and do things that are clearly a prelude to criminal acts, while we just have to sit there and look stupid. Any white person who has ever wandered into a black neighborhood knows that threatening looks and words are almost guaranteed, but the media and the government don’t give a shit.

    There is no natural right to a government monopoly on violence and punishment. We yield those rights to the government based on the promise that the government will do everything in its power to protect us and pursue justice on our behalf. In both cases, then men who stand accused were fed up with the government’s failure to keep that promise.

    • Thanks: William Badwhite
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  146. @Art Deco

    … an evangelical woman…

    Yes, well there you go.

    … Duke University students…

    … she kept complaining the youths [the Duke University students] were at fault for being in proximity to strippers.

    Heck, I knew female college students who were strippers. Dated one. They liked the money.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the strippers themselves were Duke University students.

  147. RobinG says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    My comment seems stuck in cyber-limbo, so I’ll try again…..

    About Grosskreutz’s phone…..

    Apparently he’s testified that he never intended to shoot (harm, kill, whatever word he said) Kyle, but iirc, that night or the next day he tweeted quite the opposite sentiment. Does this ring a bell? Would phone record of his “sorry I didn’t plug him” mean perjury?

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  148. Gabe Ruth says:
    @El Dato

    But he had to stamp his own feet! By himself, on his own!

    I can’t understand what they are trying to tell us with that detail.

  149. Wilkey says:
    @HammerJack

    Indeed. This case is just too “complex” — which reminds me: have any of the street combatants on the side of “Righteousness” been charged?

    I would wager that there’s a very high probability that more people have been convicted in the January 6 events at the Capitol than have been convicted in all of the hundreds of violent BLM protests in the country last year. At the very least the numbers are far closer than they should be.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  150. siv says:
    @Gaius Gracchus

    The prosecutor “failed to prosecute” because the Arery’s killer is the son of a long time investigator for her office and is one of the 3 charged with his murder. She was thrown out by the very conservative pro-police voters and was arrested and indicted for her actions in handling the case. You know how rare it is for a DA, with absolute immunity, to face prosecution for her official actions?

  151. AKAHorace says:

    Another item in the story of aboriginal identification and the flight from white.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/indigenous-lawyers-bencher-election-1.6241761

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  152. Clyde says:
    @Rob

    My understanding is that a few Covid vaccines do contain spike proteins. But that most of them, what we get in the USA, message and stimulate your body to produce spike proteins.

    Send a link to what spike proteins, or parts of spike proteins, you going to be producing after getting Covid jabs. Or explain this yourself, which is preferable. If so many people are mistaken about these mRNA vaccines being spike protein generators, then you tell me why this mistake is being made. Some very good Docs have said flat out, that most of these vaccines are spike protein generators. The vaxxes turn you into a spike protein generator.

  153. siv says:
    @Dr. X

    This case is nothing like the politicized prosecution of. George Zimmerman.

    The Glynn County Police Department did not make arrests in the Arbery killing because they were ordered not to by multiple district attorneys who had close ties to one of the defendants.

    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
  154. @RobinG

    Apparently [Grosskreutz’s] testified that he never intended to shoot (harm, kill, whatever word he said) Kyle, but iirc, that night or the next day he tweeted quite the opposite sentiment. Does this ring a bell?

    Yes, but it’s currently in the hearsay category, a friend reported on social media he heard Grosskreutz say he wished he had dumped his whole magazine into Rittenhouse I think it was. Said friend was reported to be attending the hearing yesterday while Grosskreutz did the usual thing prosecution witnesses do in this trial, was served a subpoena by the defense to appear on Wednesday and promptly fled the courtroom.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  155. @siv

    You know how rare it is for a DA, with absolute immunity, to face prosecution for her official actions?

    You must not have realized that in Current Year it is a crime to not persecute any white who kills a black quickly enough.

    Despite all your claims of bias in prosecutorial discretion, we’ve yet to see any legal reason the three should have ever been prosecuted.

    Does your self-righteousness blind you to the fact this won’t end well?

  156. @That Would Be Telling

    Rittenhouse at least didn’t harm a sacred Negro, but we’re wondering exactly which of the people he shot were or might be Jews, at the moment Huber seems to be the only certain one based on his father.

    John Huber, Jr. is not Jewish.

  157. @Art Deco

    Momlogic, although the two women in question probably weren’t.

    Ponzi, eh?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  158. tyrone says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Nothing Joe says matters ,he can shit his pants in front of the pope and fart loudly in front of a duchess , no one cares……FJB.

    • Agree: Ron Mexico
  159. @notsaying

    Kids don’t belong in those types of situations.

    Cities don’t belong in those types of situations.

  160. ‘If grabbing for the barrel is crucial defense testimony, isn’t the Ahmed Arbery case sunk?’

    ? Armaud Arbery was black.

  161. Offhand observation: some people here really need a “Jewdar” tuneup.

    I can understand people mistaking “JoJo” Rosenbaum for a Jew.

    But… Anthony Huber, whose father is John Huber, Jr.? (Don’t ask me to produce receipts, but I’ve got them.)

    Gaige Grosskreutz?

    You guys are broken.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    , @Reg Cæsar
  162. D. K. says:
    @James B. Shearer

    “In this case if you are attempting to unlawfully imprison somebody and he ends up dead as a result you can be charged with felony murder.”

    Here is an explication of “false imprisonment”:

    ***

    Overview

    False imprisonment is an act punishable under criminal law as well as under tort law. Under tort law, it is classified as an intentional tort. A a person commits false imprisonment when he commits an act of restraint on another person which confines that person in a bounded area.

    Prima Facie Case

    The defendant willfully acts . . .
    . . . intending to confine the plaintiff without the plaintiff’s consent and without authority of law
    the defendant’s act causes the plaintiff’s confinement
    the plaintiff is aware of his/her own confinement

    Bounded Area

    An act of restraint can be a physical barrier (such as a locked door), the use of physical force to restrain, a failure to release, or an invalid use of legal authority. An area is only bounded if freedom of movement is limited in all directions. If there is a reasonable means of escape from the area, the area is not bounded. However, if the means of escaping will result in the risk of physical harm to the detainee, then the area is bounded. Further, threatening to harm the detainee’s family if the detainee leaves would also result in the area being bounded.

    Threats of False Imprisonment

    Threats of immediate physical force may also be sufficient to be acts of restraint. A mere threat to imprison will not qualify for false imprisonment. Typically when determining whether a threat counts as false imprisonment, the court will look at whether the plaintiff had a just fear of injury.

    Invalid Use of Legal Authority

    An example of an invalid use of legal authority is the detainment or arrest of a person without a warrant, with an illegal warrant, or with a warrant illegally executed. So long as the person is deprived of his personal liberty, the amount of time actually detained is inconsequential. See, e.g. Schenck v. Pro Choice Network, 519 U.S. 357 (1997)

    Shopkeeper’s Privilege

    One of the affirmative defenses to the false imprisonment tort is called the shopkeeper’s privilege defense. in this situation, a defendant store-owner has detained the plaintiff because the defendant believed that the plaintiff has stolen or is attempting to steal an item from the defendant. The doctrine of shopkeeper’s privilege states that in this situation, a shopkeeper defendant who reasonably believes that the plaintiff has stolen or is attempting to steal something from the defendant shopkeeper may detain the plaintiff in a reasonable manner for a reasonable amount of time to investigate.

    Off-Shoots of False Imprisonment

    There are two other torts which fall under false imprisonment: the tort of “malicious prosecution” and the tort of “abuse of process”.

    To prove malicious prosecution, the plaintiff must prove 3 things:

    The defendant acted without probable cause and with malice toward P
    But for the defendant’s actions, the prosecution would not have proceeded
    The plaintiff did not engage in the alleged misconduct
    To prove an abuse of process tort, the plaintiff needs to prove that the defendant invoked the legal system in order to extort, threaten, or harass the plaintiff.

    ***

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/false_imprisonment

    Unless the armed father and son had threatened to use their weapons on the decedent, if he failed to stop for them, he was not physically restrained to a bounded area. In fact, it was the decedent, after he had reached the right-front of the armed men’s truck, who chose to make a 90-degree turn and rush at the son, rather than continue on down the street. Regardless, how could their “imprisonment” of the decedent have been “false imprisonment,” when the law in Georgia, at that time, allowed for citizen’s arrests? We know for a fact, from video evidence, that the decedent was fleeing from a crime scene; and, since it also appears, from video evidence, that he had stolen something from the premises that he had illegally entered (yet again), which he then proceeded to drop in the street, while fleeing, his illegal entry was a burglary in the 1st degree– which made the decedent a fleeing felon.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @Alden
  163. Art Deco says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    One had been enrolled at North Carolina Central for a time. About the other (with whom she was feuding), not sure. The ‘exotic dancing’ was one line of business for her. She also worked as an escort. The contractor the DA’s office hired found the DNA of four men in her various orifices, none of them lacrosse players and none of them the three men the woman had listed as bfs. Michael Nifong and the police detectives were informed of this on 10 April 2006. He secured indictments anyway and concealed the laboratory report from defense counsel. It took another eight months for his office to be taken off the case and four months of review by the state attorney-general before the case was quashed.

    Yes, well there you go.

    I told her I could think of reasons to stay away from strip shows, but not among them would be ‘a kooky stripper could accuse you of something and a crooked-to-the-bone DA could use that to file trumped up criminal charges against you’. Her argument was constructed atop a proposition that 21 year old men should consider bizarre and remote possibilities in making day-to-day decisions about where to be and what to do. Julie Ponzi I would wager just loathed these three young men because men of similar type she knew as a college student never asked her out.

  164. SafeNow says:

    Regarding Newsom, my theory: I watched the Newsom booster video, and the tech did not aspirate the plunger. That would have required an extra 5 to 10 seconds…bad PR. Here’s the deal. You stab the deltoid. Then you aspirate (withdraw) the plunger. Wait 5 to 10 seconds. If you see blood in the needle, this means that, uh oh, you are in a vein rather than in the muscle. So, you remove the needle without vaccinating, you discard it, and you repeat the process at a different site. You really want to keep this new vaccine rascal local, and this is how you do it. But this would prolong the “pain” for additional 5 to 10 seconds, and many patients are not former Navy Seals who sat in an ice-water bath. So, this prudent precaution is not being done.

  165. Art Deco says:
    @Paperback Writer

    Julie Ponzi is married with children. I would assume a woman signing herself ‘pentamom’ is as well. As far as I could tell, the reasoning of one was driven by resentment, the other by anxiety issues.

  166. @Dmon

    NYT Dictionary: Complex, adjective. Arguments and evidence that defeat our party line and hence shall not be specified.

    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
  167. @Wilkey

    There is no natural right to a government monopoly on violence and punishment. We yield those rights to the government based on the promise that the government will do everything in its power to protect us and pursue justice on our behalf. In both cases, then men who stand accused were fed up with the government’s failure to keep that promise.

    Great paragraph Wilkey.

    Basically what we saw last summer was Democrat officials refusing–even more than usual–to do–as with immigration–their most fundamental job as public officials, enforce the rule-of-law and protect the nation’s citizens. Did not do it in pursuit of political gain based on a complete fraud that blacks are oppressed by the police. And worse sent out their street thugs to attack the rule-of-law and then attacked people who tried to enforce the law or otherwise resist being victims of their street thuggery.

    Trump–if had any ability to think and communicate clearly–should have been hammering on this all year and wrapping it around the Democrats’ and Biden’s necks. Instead we got Kushner blathering about how Joe Biden was a big racist for supporting some crime bill.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  168. @Hangnail Hans

    Frankly, they all look a bit retarded. In CYA, white defendants had better be mighty attractive if they don’t want to fry.

    Those teachers imprisoned for bedding “boys” Rittenhouse’s age generally are “mighty attractive”. In their mug shots, no less.

    They must make the ladies on the juries jealous. In the 2013 novel Tampa, protest groups gather outside the perpetrator’s house while she’s on probation. Those groups, except for accompanying children, are entirely female. A realistic touch for a debut novel. The author was a classmate of one of the more celebrated offenders.

  169. @Art Deco

    …she kept complaining the youths were at fault for being in proximity to strippers.

    Hiring overweight black women to disrobe for you and your buddies is a sign of something, for sure, but not fault.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  170. D. K. says:
    @Paperback Writer

    Because, surely, anyone can tell a Jew from a gentile based simply upon the names involved:

    https://www.imdb.com/list/ls008929586/

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  171. @siv

    You know how rare it is for the FBI to run a full-scale military incursion on someone’s home for the alleged crime of trespassing?

    It may be unprecedented, like nepotistic Kenosha mayor John Antaramian abdicating his highest duty of maintaining law and order then directing his lackies to falsely imprison for life one of the few citizens willing to interfere with the arsonists burning down the town. Again, it is perhaps unprecedented.

    But all it proves is that the described actions are those of capital-T Traitors, mercenaries and lunatics.

    Put another way, you’re saying what you’re saying now. But you won’t be when it’s your skull the carefree jogger’s tire iron is cracking open like an egg as the burglary goes wrong.

    • Replies: @GeneralRipper
  172. @Reg Cæsar

    When the Duke Lacrosse players decided to make a phone call to hire strippers, they thought the strippers would be white. They were, shall we say, disappointed by what they got. This was probably picked up on by the two black strippers.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Alden
  173. D. K. says:
    @jb

    ***

    The Arbery situation is much less clear. If you’re unarmed, and I’m chasing you with a shotgun and shouting “I’m going to blow your fucking head off”, and you turn and attack me and grab for the barrel of my gun, and I shoot and kill you, most likely I am guilty of murder. If what I’m shouting is “Stop, or I’ll blow your fucking head off” that changes things a bit, but if I had no right to be chasing you in the first place I’m still probably guilty of murder. Depending on the details of the law, fact that my intent was only to stop you, not kill you, may not matter much.

    The real problem with the Arbery case, as with the George Floyd case, is not that the defendants are being railroaded (they might actually be guilty!), it’s that it’s not just the defendants who are being convicted, it’s all of white America.

    ***

    Hey, jb, can you drop us a link to the video of (any of) the three defendants yelling at the decedent, “Stop, or I’ll blow your fucking head off!” before he attacked one of them, who then shot him dead (with the decedent coming back for seconds and thirds, before finally trying to run away, down the street, and collapsing)? Thanks, sport!

    • Replies: @jb
  174. Jack D says:
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    if this is established by the evidence it is likely that some of the jurors will find Rittenhouse sympathetic enough to think that the sham trial was punishment for an errant shot fired by someone in the act of avoiding being murdered.

    Neither of us is sitting in that jury box but I suspect if we were, the perspective that you are gaining from certain right wing media sources (that the prosecutors are lying POS’s and that the entire trial is a sham) is not the perspective that you would have. Nor would it be the perspective that you get from the MSM that this is some open and shut case where a right wing monster was assassinating innocent civilians. They are (I would wager) going to end up with a more balance perspective and their verdict will reflect that. It still may be that they will find him not guilty on all charges but I wouldn’t bet my house on it.

    Video evidence does not speak for itself. The jury is free to weigh Grosskreutz’s testimony in light of the video and other evidence and testimony and decide whether he is credible but I don’t think that his testimony was so false that it was unethical for the prosecution to offer it. It is not uncommon in a trial for prosecution and defense to offer up witnesses who say COMPLETELY opposite things – it’s the jury’s job to decide who is lying.

  175. @The Alarmist

    I see what you did there, but my point was that he must be English Canadian, Aussie, Kiwi, etc., meaning he probably doesn’t live here. To me, after that comment, that’s a plus.

    It may take a long time to get rid of those spelling habits (maybe you never do, past a certain age). I’m going to have to pay attention and see if John Derbyshire spells the English way – something tells me that he doesn’t, just based on my not recalling any of that.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  176. Ralph L says:
    @Art Deco

    four months of review by the state attorney-general before the case was quashed.

    AG Roy Cooper let those families twist in the wind as long as he could to avoid offending crucial Durham County black and liberal white Research Triangle voters. He narrowly beat the Rep incumbent governor a couple years later and was barely reelected in 2020.

  177. Art Deco says:
    @David In TN

    One of the strippers was black, one mixed-race (black / Oriental, IIRC). Haven’t heard they were overweight. Having seen photographs of Crystal Gail Mangum’s face, do wonder why she had any business at all.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  178. Clyde says:
    @Rob

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/NtQ3iGQeifvc/ — Robert Malone, Steve Kirsch, Brett Weinstein discuss — Spike protein is very dangerous, it is cytotoxic

    https://newtube.app/user/Fragalicious/4ukcPl3

    • Replies: @Rob
  179. TWS says:
    @The Alarmist

    I know no one who has died from covid and I have seen hundreds of men with it with mark one eyeballs. I know several with severe reactions including my wife who now has uncontrollable tremors. And my friend died of a heart attack after the shot. My friend was in good shape. No comorbidities.

  180. jb says:
    @D. K.

    I’m relying on news accounts of the trial, which are easy to find on Google. If you choose to disbelieve those accounts that’s your business — what matters is what the jury believes.

    In any case, I’m not interested in litigating this particular case here, I was trying to make a point. Do you understand my point? I’m saying that there are circumstances where killing someone who is attacking you and trying to grab your gun is in fact murder. Are you disputing that?

    • Replies: @D. K.
  181. J.Ross says:

    Watch our broken system convict anyway.

  182. @Achmed E. Newman

    Most of my English writing is directed to the UK, so my spell check defaults me to that if I don’t turn it off.

    You should see the looks I sometime get when I pronounce the word con-trov-er-sy with a broad American accent rather than the American way of saying con-tro-ver-sy.

  183. GeneralRipper [AKA "J.S. Tomlin"] says:
    @Negrolphin Pool

    Put another way, you’re saying what you’re saying now. But you won’t be when it’s your skull the carefree jogger’s tire iron is cracking open like an egg as the burglary goes wrong.

    We can only hope.

  184. JimDandy says:
    @Roger

    Like most high-profile delusional grandiose mass shooters with suicidal ideation. All he lacked was a gun. But I’m wondering if he was tested for other drugs, meth specifically.

  185. @siv

    “The prosecutor “failed to prosecute” because the Arery’s killer is the son of a long time investigator for her office and is one of the 3 charged with his murder. She was thrown out by the very conservative pro-police voters and was arrested and indicted for her actions in handling the case. You know how rare it is for a DA, with absolute immunity, to face prosecution for her official actions?”

    This is garbled, the original prosecutor quickly recused herself because the elder McMichaels had worked for her. The next prosecutor eventually recused himself also but first offered the opinion that no prosecution was warranted. There is a factual dispute between the first prosecutor and the responding cops about what she told them (or didn’t tell them) to do. The first prosecutor did lose the next election but this case may not have been the only reason. She had earlier released a cop in a domestic violence case and he promptly killed his wife (ex-wife?), her boyfriend and himself. Her arrest seems dubious to me and I doubt she will be convicted of anything.

  186. mc23 says:
    @JimDandy

    Rosenbaum was probably getting “street money” from Antifa or Prog organizations.The others were probably paid paid rioters too.

    Rosenbaum spent almost half his life in jail as a violent sex offender and was living in a tent with a girlfriend in the Wisconsin winter just before the riots. Do you really thing he was participating in violent riots because of a “Social Conscious”?

    If I was 36 and this was my life’s story I too would be crying “shoot me, shoot me”.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  187. @Shh he kjfdfgjk

    “I saw the Arbery video. The McMichaels were stationary on the side of the road, and Arbery ran to them.”

    And grabbed a rifle by the barrel, thus earning himself a Darwin Award.

  188. @siv

    “The Glynn County Police Department did not make arrests in the Arbery killing because they were ordered not to by multiple district attorneys who had close ties to one of the defendants.”

    And you know that how?

  189. @Wandering Learner

    …but I think a longer wait is warranted before too many conclusions beyond that can be drawn.

    I believe that she is ensconced on a couch in a basement somewhere hitting a pipe with Samantha Power.

  190. @Redman

    Gerald Ford being a Republican and the feared swine flu outbreak not materializing were the reasons they stopped the last national vaxx movement during the Ford administration in 1976. What’s different now?

    Fixed it for you, was politically aware by the time this happened.

    What’s different this time is that Trump was Officially voted out of office by the time the FDA started making Emergency Use Authorizations (EUAs).

  191. @Jack D

    That part of the video entirely speaks for itself.

    Charging someone that has an AR15 is just plain dumb.

    He was clearly running towards the police but the mob wanted a piece of him.

    They would have cracked his skull open with that skateboard if he didn’t defend himself.

    The prosecution should have made a deal. They have nothing and he has already done time for the weapons charge. They actually tried dismissing from court that Joseph “shoot me nigga” Rosenbaum was lighting fires. He wasn’t some innocent person and witnesses stated that he charged Kyle.

    He is gonna walk. The DA should throw in the towel before they are further embarrassed.

  192. Alden says:
    @David In TN

    They were also not up to the level of average ordinary attractiveness most men expect of strippers. There are plenty of average attractive cute to very pretty young black women. They were not. I believe the other woman said that Crystal was so drunk or drugged she worried Crystal wouldn’t be able to preform.

  193. Mike Tre says:
    @Ed

    Or it could be Christian Bale.

  194. Mike Tre says:
    @notsaying

    What better defines one as a kid: His age, or his actions? Because KR certainly wasn’t acting like a kid.

    And 17 years old was a man’s age for most of history, including the US’s.

  195. Regret says:
    @notsaying

    On the contrary, kids have every right to walk the streets of Kenosha. It’s the rioters who do not belong.

    • Agree: Rob McX
  196. Mike Tre says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I’m starting to get the sense that “Jonathan Mason” is another covert Hindu troll along the lines of John Plywood and Thomm. A British Hindu yes, but a Hindu none the less.

  197. @D. K.

    Because, surely, I’ve supplied so much evidence apart from the names, which you’re incapable of understanding, because you’re broken.

    #Grambo, defense witness, is named JoAnn Fiedler. Jewish lit critic Leslie Fiedler. She must be Jewish.

    Like I said, you’re broken.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  198. Hibernian says:
    @Guest29048

    If he has a conscience…

    …he wouldn’t be Gavin Newsome.

  199. @Jack D

    Neither of us is sitting in that jury box but I suspect if we were, the perspective that you are gaining from certain right wing media sources (that the prosecutors are lying POS’s and that the entire trial is a sham) is not the perspective that you would have.

    And with one or more of his tribe being figuratively on the dock as people shot by Rittenhouse the Jew bares his fangs.

    “Certain right wing media sources” include those like self-defense law specialist lawyer Andrew Branca’s coverage on Legal Insurrection (also the site of a Jew, however renegade he might be like our host Mr. Unz) with informed opinions backed up by, you know, video of the hearings so we can judge for ourselves. Or the judge off camera but speaking close enough to live mike saying it felt like the prosecutor in the previous few hours had actually taken up a couple of weeks of his life.

    This prosecution is a farce, has completely failed to support its claims against self-defense in the last five days (not sure about the status of the claimed recklessness that prompted your reply, although the curfew violation charge has been dropped by the judge), and presumably some people on the jury are smart enough to realize that, when the prosecution’s substantive witnesses support the defense’s case! When for example he calls up a witness, the testimony is disastrous to his case, and then tries to impeach his own witness!!! what are they or we supposed to think? It’s 100% pound the table since neither the law nor the facts are on his side.

    People like Kyle Rittenhouse built this country, you and your tribe didn’t. That’s bears on one of the points I keep making about how our allowing a government run by hostile elites to crucify people like Rittenhouse is destroying our civilization.

    Of course I’m baring my own fangs here, but you are being absolutely ridiculous while at best pontificating about something you don’t have enough knowledge for, while throwing shade on sources you don’t even identify other than their being “right wing,” which is obviously equivalent to axiomatically “lying.”

  200. Alden says:
    @D. K.

    In legal matters. Always consult the penal and civil codes of the state in which the crime or civil tort occurred and in which state the trial is held. There’s uniform Penal and civil codes used by most but not all of the states. But even with uniform codes there are often differing standards and codes for each state. The Cornell law site is probably based on the uniform Penal code. Which may or not apply in the state in which the Arbery trial is held. Many states that replaced the old individual state codes with the Uniform codes added or deleted sections to better suit the individual state.

  201. D. K. says:
    @Paperback Writer

    “Because, surely, I’ve supplied so much evidence apart from the names, which you’re incapable of understanding, because you’re broken.

    “#Grambo, defense witness, is named JoAnn Fiedler. Jewish lit critic Leslie Fiedler. She must be Jewish.

    “Like I said, you’re broken.”

    Here are your two previous comments in this thread– currently sitting at numbers 161 and 166– on this particular issue:

    ***

    “John Huber, Jr. is not Jewish.”

    ***

    . . . and . . .

    ***

    “Offhand observation: some people here really need a ‘Jewdar’ tuneup.

    “I can understand people mistaking ‘JoJo’ Rosenbaum for a Jew.

    “But… Anthony Huber, whose father is John Huber, Jr.? (Don’t ask me to produce receipts, but I’ve got them.)

    “Gaige Grosskreutz?

    “You guys are broken.”

    ***

    What grade did you earn in Evidence as a 1L?

    • Troll: Paperback Writer
  202. syonredux says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Franklin’s thoughts on the Germans could be rather nuanced:

    Yet I am not for refusing entirely to admit them [Germans] into our Colonies: all that seems to be necessary is, to distribute them more equally, mix them with the English, establish English Schools where they are now too thick settled, and take some care to prevent the practice lately fallen into by some of the Ship Owners, of sweeping the German Gaols to make up the number of their Passengers. I say I am not against the Admission of Germans in general, for they have their Virtues, their industry and frugality is exemplary; They are excellent husbandmen and contribute greatly to the improvement of a Country.

  203. @Rob McX

    Yes. It’s something that, under the law, is supposed to be punished by decades in prison. If not, it’s time for Judge Lynch to start rendering judgment.

  204. ic1000 says:
    @Jack D

    > Neither of us is sitting in that jury box but I suspect if we were, the perspective that you are gaining from certain right wing media sources (that the prosecutors are lying POS’s and that the entire trial is a sham) is not the perspective that you would have. Nor would it be the perspective that you get from the MSM that this is some open and shut case where a right wing monster was assassinating innocent civilians.

    My go-to for the MSM, Lester Holt and his NBC Nightly News, didn’t spend much time on Kenosha tonight. In the short segment, a Hispanx reporter showed a few seconds of the “new” drone footage, with his voice-over explaining its import — that it’s ambiguous on whether Rittenhouse’s victim was close enough to make a grab for the rifle when he was shot. (Nothing about the proof that Rittenhouse was being pursued.) The report closed with viewers learning that Antifa medic Grosskreutz’s testimony “did not bolster” the prosecution’s case.

    My sense is that Lester and his comrades are worried that the verdict won’t go entirely their way.

  205. JimDandy says:
    @Jack D

    “the perspective that you are gaining from certain right wing media sources”

    Not your best work, Jack. (BTW, what kind of media sources were to blame back when you were still sneering at people for taking Ivermectin to treat Covid, because you thought it was only for horse worms?) My perspective on Kyle was informed over the last year+ in part by reading from a wide variety of sources and viewing quite a bit of video footage that is just now being introduced to the mainstream. I am extremely supportive of Kyle, and am quite sympathetic. You clearly aren’t. You showed your hand there, Jack. What’s eating you? You don’t like young men defending their tribe with quasi-military rifles unless they are “settlers” in the occupied territories?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  206. ic1000 says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    TWBT, I think you are misreading Jack D.

    Certain right wing media sources are saying that the prosecutors are lying POS’s and that the entire trial is a sham. (I agree with those sources, and suspect Jack D is not unsympathetic.) And much of the MSM is making this out as an open and shut case where a right wing monster was assassinating innocent civilians (though, see above, even NBC is pulling back from that). Jack D was painting a picture of these two perspectives, doubting that the jurors will wholly accept either. In that, I unfortunately concur (“nice city you have here, it’d be a shame if something happened to it”).

    Anyway, that’s my take. Prolific as he is, Jack D may have already rushed in by the time I press “Publish” to prove me wrong or right as the case may be.

    • Agree: Jack D
  207. @Hangnail Hans

    Walking + sprinting /2 = jogging

    You need to DO THE WORK of educating yourself in woke math.

    • Thanks: Hangnail Hans
  208. @Danindc

    Tom Waits explains many mysteries of our kind via his enchanting music but that’s not happening in any Tom Waits.
    Nobody gets the keys that ain’t got them already.
    He’s going down.
    Just like Big Jim Walker.
    You’ll get your story.
    You will learn who not to fuck with slim.

  209. @El Dato

    “Yes, but it’s… rare”

    Must be. The great Dallas Cowboys lineman, Travis Frederick, sat out 2018 with it and eventually retired. The team medical staff had never heard of GBS. “I had never heard of [GBS]. Neither did most people, not even the doctors,” Frederick told Yahoo earlier this year. “The neurosurgeon had only seen it twice. He is one of the top neurosurgeons in the country. When you have something that rare, that’s when you know there is something going on. That is why it took a little bit for the diagnosis. It’s hard. There are a lot of things it could have been leading up to it. I give a lot of credit to our training staff. They kept on it. They kept trying to figure something out.”

    • Replies: @D. K.
  210. Rob says:
    @Art Deco

    I remember the pivot, it took about three minutes, from “they are guilty and monsters to boot because they hired a black stripper” to “they are guilty and monsters to boot because they specified they did not want a black stripper.” I was like, at what level of wanting/not wanting a black stripper would they have the presumption of innocence?

    While black men are not very desirable from a civilizational standpoint, they appeal billy to black women, also, the enormous reality of black female obesity coupled with liberal whites wanting non-racist cred means hot black girls (mostly, but by no means, half non-black) are in huge demand. Combine those realities with the much more religious culture of the sort of black girls of healthy builds, not to mention the black male preference for, ahem, ends over means results in black strippers being a pretty homely lot.

    Wow, remember Duke Lax? Remember when internet feminism was a thing? When a Presidential primary candidate thought hiring Amanda Marcotte to do his internet campaign outreach was brilliant? When Feministe and Feministing had traffic? When Shakesville was not openly a cult with a ~50,000 (i forget, may have been much longer) commenting guidelines? Back when major newspapers (they were a thing!) hired feminist bloggers as their movie critics, just cuz? Salon, I remember, hired Amanda Marcotte as a reporter.

    Scott Alexander had an interesting retrospective on internet feminism on ACX. He thought that because they were both intersectionists and “allies” they easily fell to people who were crazier but with stronger personalities. Basically, someone said “black lives matter and white women used to accuse black males of sex crimes,” and feminists had to drop whatever they were doing and dedicate their websites to BLM and Black Girl Feminism. Black girls have much different complaints about their men than white feminists have about theirs. Not so much “my husband doesn’t allow me to self-actualize in an open relationship, which would make me a much better mother to my twin toddlers,” or “dorks hit on me,” but more “he won’t marry me because he’s pursuing white women and had three other (black) booty calls” while there are quite a lot of women who suffer a lot from the men in their lives, those women were never much a part of internet feminism, which with both blacks and whites ran much more on the concerns of college-educated women in media jobs.

    Aha! Here’s the Slate Star Codex Piece!

    With Trump gone, we are back to trials to entertain the masses, or least people who are not too smart but think sportsball is beneath them. I will concede that Rittenhouse and Armed Robbery’s shooterx trials are in Steve’s wheelhouse. What kind of person names their son Ahmaud Aubry? Did she know it was so close to Armed Robbery? Why, having that name, did Mx Aubry stick to shoplifting and burglary?

  211. @R.G. Camara

    Indeed. What is the theory of the case? If it wasn’t self-defense, what was the motive?

  212. @Jack D

    Reckless endangerment goes away if he is acquitted of the homicide charge. The Constitution prohibits any requirement that a person die to avoid endangering someone else.

    If he actually injured someone else, that would be a different matter.

  213. @That Would Be Telling

    And with one or more of his tribe being figuratively on the dock as people shot by Rittenhouse

    I don’t think any of those shot were Jewish. The Midwest is full of people with Jewish-sounding German names. More to the point, Jack D has already said said he doesn’t think any of them were Jewish either, so whatever his opinion of the case, it is unlikely to be colored by ethnic fellow-feeling.

    It’s 100% pound the table since neither the law nor the facts are on his side.

    Hey, it worked in the Chauvin trial. If the prosecutors can get it to work in this case and the Arbery trial, it’ll be a hat-trick for them.

    They feel they are down a hat-trick.

  214. @Buzz Mohawk

    Yes, well there you go.

    The evangelicals went nuts. They started out as nice people who were genuinely concerned about the moral decay of society, and then something went to their heads, I don’t know what. Last I heard they were holy rolling about adopting all the sweet little African chilluns who need good homes.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  215. @Art Deco

    The ‘exotic dancing’ was one line of business for her.

    What is exotic about their dancing?

    Isn’t using the word “exotic”…. racist?

  216. @Paperback Writer

    The evangelicals went nuts.

    They have indeed gone nuts.

    I think the problem is that they have too much to defend.

    They have a hard time with race and it isn’t going to get easier.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  217. @notsaying

    As a 17 year old minor, Kyle Rittenhouse should not have been on the scene with a rifle that night.

    Why is he being tried as an adult?

    And why aren’t the adults who caused the f7cking anarchy being tried? Tony Evers should be on trial. Steve did a post about how this POS encouraged the violence by tweeting his sympathy for poor rapist Jacob Blake.

    Unpopular opinion: I heard the 911 call. It was a damned doozy. And I saw how Sheskey et al tried so hard to subdue the maniac. How they shot him so that he wouldn’t run off in a stolen rental with kids in the car, and do God knows what. And you know what I thought? They should have let him go. Let the damned bastard go off with 3 terrified black kids. Let him crash the car. Let Shakniqwa pay for the damage (it was her rental, or lease). Who cares?

    Sheskey is suffering lifelong effects from this, because he has a conscience. And what happened in Kenosha will never be lived down. Why should I care that some black dude runs off with his kids?

    • Replies: @bomag
  218. In the newly released video you can see that Rosenbaum almost caught him.

    Kyle had some divine protection that night. He would have been dead meat if Rosenbaum got the gun after being shot in the hand.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    , @RobinG
    , @ic1000
  219. Of course I knew that the riots in Kenosha were violent. But I wasn’t aware how violent until I began paying attention recently.

  220. Rob McX says:
    @John Johnson

    He would have been dead meat if Rosenbaum got the gun after being shot in the hand.

    And the prosecutors are determined to do what his “victims” failed to do. They want to put him in a prison with hundreds of bloodthirsty non-whites.

    • Agree: John Johnson
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  221. D. K. says:
    @jb

    “In any case, I’m not interested in litigating this particular case here, I was trying to make a point. Do you understand my point? I’m saying that there are circumstances where killing someone who is attacking you and trying to grab your gun is in fact murder. Are you disputing that?”

    No, jb, I am disputing another of your contentions “(they might actually be guilty!).” They might be found guilty– just as Derek Chauvin was found guilty– but, as a matter of law, they are not guilty, as the decedent was a fleeing felon who was shot in self-defense, after he attacked an armed man who, along with his father, was availing himself of the state’s allowance for citizen’s arrests, in such cases. (That the third defendant, who merely followed the fleeing felon, also was indicted for murder is an even greater travesty!)

  222. Jack D says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    one or more of his tribe being figuratively on the dock as people shot by Rittenhouse the Jew bares his fangs.

    1. AFAIK, NONE of the victims were Jewish. People with German names (which overlap with Ashkenazi Jewish names) are thick on the ground in rural WI. Jews not so much.

    2. Try not to write as if it’s 1933 .

    3. I guess we’ll know soon enough if the jury buys the prosecution’s version of events either partly or fully. I don’t think that it is the total farce that you make it out to be – it’s more of a mixed bag. Of course a mixed bag is not the same thing as beyond a reasonable doubt. But as AM points out, lots of people here thought that Chauvin was not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt but the jury didn’t agree. Or else they didn’t want their city to burn.

  223. @Anonymous

    “Why shouldn’t he have?”

    He didn’t seem to realize the potential danger in the situation. Things could easily have gone a lot worse for him.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  224. Jack D says:
    @JimDandy

    TBH, I don’t have strong feelings about him either way. If he was my son I would not have advised him to go to a demonstration armed with a rifle. But given the situation he found himself in, he may have had no choice but to defend himself. He should have stayed home and played video games. If he had just gone downtown for pizza and been attacked by these crazy lowlife antifas, or if he was a cop whose job it was to maintain order, I would have had nothing but sympathy for him but he partly brought this upon himself.

    Has something changed about Ivermectin and it’s now a proven treatment for Covid that has passed clinical trials? I hadn’t heard. BTW, Ivermectin is not just horse medicine. It is really a wonderful anti-parasitic that has saved millions from river blindness, protects my dog from heartworm, etc. If I had scabies I wouldn’t hesitate to take it. But as an anti-viral, doubtful, especially now that there are real clinically proven treatments available.

  225. Rob says:
    @Clyde

    I’m not gonna watch two videos. How ‘bout a link to the paper?

    • Replies: @RobinG
  226. RobinG says:
    @John Johnson

    They’re saying Kyle shot him 4 times. Does the AR-15 fire automatic, so 4 bullets went out in that one puff of smoke? (The way Rosenbaum closed on him, he had no choice.)

    • Replies: @By-tor
  227. RobinG says:
    @Rob

    “Brett Weinstein”… what a joke.

  228. By-tor says:
    @RobinG

    The Bushmaster model XM15E2S QRC that Rittenhouse had that night was a run-of-the-mill semi-automatic carbine in .223 Remington. Firing four shots requires four pulls of the trigger.

  229. @New Dealer

    NYT Dictionary: Complex, adjective. Arguments and evidence that defeat our party line and hence shall not be specified.

    Other “complex” situations for the (((NYT))):

    Israel lobby’s blatant acts of war on the World Trade Center, the USS Liberty, wars for Israel, & White people in general.

  230. Momus says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Private firearm ownership here has surpassed the level it was prior to PM John Howard’s amnesty and buyback and the severe restrictions placed on SLR’s. Handgun ownership is restricted but they are not ‘banned’

    Recreational firearm ownership in Australia is high by world standards and long guns are certainly not banned.

  231. @Anonymous

    Royal Dutch Airlines. Thanks. That didn’t even occur to me.

  232. @Wilkey

    I understand your comparison, Wilkey but as far as I know, almost all of those people kept in the Garland Archipelago have not even been convicted of anything yet. The Feral Gov’t just holds them in terrible conditions like any Communist nation does with political prisoners. That’s what they are, political prisoners.

  233. @Jack D

    If he was my son I would not have advised him to go to a demonstration armed with a rifle by himself.

    FIFY, Jack. With your attitude, there’d never have been an American Revolution, and we’d have been living under Totalitarianism much earlier in our history.

    Yeah, that’s right, just rely on the cops. Just rely on the courts to convince Arbery one of those burglaries, or maybe rapes later. Sure, the Establishment has got it.

    We need many, many more young men (and older!) like Kyle Rittenhouse. The reason this trial is going on at all is that the ctrl-left wants to discourage any more young (and older) men like him, Jack.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Alden
  234. bomag says:
    @Paperback Writer

    Ironic thing is that the Sheskeys of the world are the ones trying to make multi-culturalism work, and this is what they get for their trouble.

    Today’s social plan is to avoid Shakniqwa while throwing Sheskey to the wolves. Which one do we run out of first?

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  235. CW Acumen says:
    @Ed

    Photographer caught him at Ivy Getty’s wedding.
    His face looks normal here.

    All I see of his “face” is his blurry forehead. The rest is covered with a black mask. So, how exactly is that looking normal?

  236. ic1000 says:
    @John Johnson

    > In the newly released video you can see that Rosenbaum almost caught him.

    It’s worth repeating part of my synopsis of last night’s NBC Nightly News (comment #210). Viewers learned:

    * Rittenhouse’s trial for murder during the Mostly Peaceful Protests was a brief report in the middle of the broadcast, so not that important.

    * The segment highlighted the drone footage. The few seconds shown weren’t interpretable. The reporter explained that the footage couldn’t resolve whether or not Rosenbaum was close enough to grab the rifle when he was shot (nothing about confirmation of Rosenbaum’s pursuit of Rittenhouse, a key and contested defense claim).

    A lot of Americans still learn about current events by watching TV news. Their understanding of this situation will differ from that of the median (better-informed) Sailer reader.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    , @John Johnson
  237. ic1000 says:
    @Jack D

    > Has something changed about Ivermectin

    Over the past couple of months, yes. In the face of resistance and skepticism from mainstream doctors, numerous meta-analyses showed that ivermectin delivered powerful benefits to people with Covid, especially when given early on.

    Meta-analyses give the most weight to the studies with the largest numbers of patients (which makes sense).

    It’s become clear that many or most of the studies that enrolled the most patients and showed the biggest benefits were (at best) incompetently performed, and (more likely) fraudulent. Revised meta-analyses that exclude suspect studies show little or no benefit.

    Kelsey Piper is a mainstream reporter who has covered this — intelligently and fairly, in my opinion. You can get to her articles via her Twitter feed.

    • Replies: @Veteran Aryan
  238. ic1000 says:
    @ic1000

    I just saw the NBC Today report on the trial, 2 minutes that aired midway through the first half-hour. Reporter Gabe Guitterez re-did last night’s segment (sometimes, Today just re-runs Nightly News stories).

    This time, Guitterez slowed down the video, still emphasizing the gun-grab (non) issue. But viewers could clearly see that Rosenbaum was chasing Rittenhouse just before he was shot (marked by a puff of gunsmoke).

    All told, the segment was notably less unfair to the defense. I have no idea whether or how internal NBC politics influenced this change.

  239. nebulafox says:
    @Jack D

    >TBH, I don’t have strong feelings about him either way.

    I do. The police last year were barred from interfering with the worst riots we’ve had in over 50 years, riots openly feted over the strict pandemic control measures elsewhere in American life. The implications couldn’t be clearer.

    If the authorities aren’t going to protect people from rioters who shouldn’t have been rioting in the first place, then one can hardly credibly people like Rittenhouse (who seemed more medic than hitman in what he was actually originally doing, tbh) “shouldn’t have been there”. What are people supposed to do?

  240. FPD72 says:
    @The Alarmist

    IIRC, the law didn’t serve Sir Thomas very well.

    Oh, the law served More well enough when it came to persecuting and executing Protestants. As noted by historian and religious scholar James Wood,

    With the help of John Stokesley, the Bishop of London, More personally broke into the houses of suspected heretics, arresting them on the spot and sometimes interrogating them in his own home. He imprisoned one man in the porter’s lodge of his house, and had him put in the stocks. He raided the home of a businessman called John Petyt, who was suspected of financing [protestant Bible translator William] Tyndale; Petyt died in the Tower. Six rebellious Oxford students were kept for months in a fish cellar; three of them died in prison. More was now a spiritual detective, a policeman in a hair shirt, engaged in “what would now be called surveillance and entrapment among the leather-sellers, tailors, fishmongers and drapers of London.” Six protesters were burned under More’s chancellorship, and perhaps forty were imprisoned.

    According to scholar of the Reformation Richard Marius,

    and while he was in office he did everything in his power to bring that extermination to pass. That he did not succeed in becoming England’s Torquemada was a consequence of the king’s quarrel with the pope and not a result of any quality of mercy that stirred through More’s own heart.

    I guess there was one law with which More was not familiar: “What goes around comes around.” Well, at least he was consistent.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    , @Wielgus
  241. @James B. Shearer

    “Why shouldn’t [Rittenhouse] have [been out on the streets of Kenosha]?”

    He didn’t seem to realize the potential danger in the situation. Things could easily have gone a lot worse for him.

    I would say his carrying an AR-15 pattern rifle that he knew how to wield better than probably 98% of the US population shows he realized the potential danger in the situation. He might if he could afford it like his acquaintance during much of that day or night’s festivities worn body armor, but in 20/20 hindsight that only would have slowed him down, modulo the possibility of the first shooter or Grosscruetz managing to shoot him in the torso.

    He was ready to fight for his life and successfully did so. Aside from his gun handling reaching near miraculous levels once he was on the ground, I hesitate to second guess people who came out on top in such situations.

  242. Hibernian says:
    @Jack D

    Jack, Kenosha is not rural WI. It has daily commuter service to Chicago. The accents of the lawyers, witnesses, and judge would fit right in in Chicago, some more than others. That having been said, you’re right about the people who assume a Rosenbaum or a Fiedler must be Jewish, not to mention Huber and Grosskruetz.

  243. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    I don’t think that it is the total farce that you make it out to be – it’s more of a mixed bag.

    One of the attorneys I correspond with has a practice with two lines: bankruptcy and criminal defense. He’s been practicing since 1982. He’s been consulting the proceedings posted on Legal Insurrection. He thinks it’s a total farce, and has decayed into a farce in spite of the ineptitude of the defense counsel, who spurned a score of opportunities to raise objections to the prosecutors line of questioning and refused the services of Barnes Law’s jury consultants. It’s his view that the defense has a shot at a directed verdict.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  244. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    are thick on the ground in rural WI. J

    Kenosha and the adjacent tract development have a population north of 100,000 with a density north of 3,000 persons per sq. mile. It’s no more rural than greater Atlantic City; just has smaller slums.

  245. @Jack D

    If he was my son I would not have advised him to go to a demonstration armed with a rifle.

    Demonstration? Surely someone as voluble as you can think of a better word to describe what went on that night. It was a combination of moronic anarchy and hard-core insurrectionist violence. It was bad. No one was killed other than the ones Rittenhouse put out but there were many injuries. A brick was thrown at a cop’s head. I can’t get accurate info because the MSM has suppressed it but look at the media I provided. It was a Devil’s Night, incited by Governor Tony Evers, as Steve has pointed out here.

    No, I would not have allowed my son to go, either, because the proper people to put down this insurrection are the National Guard and if necessary, the military, with a president invoking the insurrection act. Kyle was an idealistic 17 year old child of a single mom, probably prone to fantasies of glory, not a middle-class son of a lawyer, who will go to college and have a great life looking down on the Kyle Rittenhouses of the world, who didn’t have his advantages in life.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @Jack D
  246. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Admittedly, however, your advice is good advice for the cause of preservation of one’s individual interests and and to remain unmolested by political prosecutors who are looking for whites to vilify as white supremacists.

    I think you’re being a little hard on Elli. The law’s the law. It’s not the duty of the private citizen to chase down criminals. It’s all in the wording, and I can’t find it now, but the judge in Rittenhouse case advised the jury as to the line between self-defense and legitimate defense of property. It’s legal in Wisconsin to defend your property with legal firearms. It’s not legal to chase down the arsonists and shoot them. If you counter that this is why our society sucks, I’d agree with you but I don’t think you have the law on your side.

  247. I hope Kyle walks, but I fault him and his buddies for not being more aware of what they were doing.

    They were in Kenosha to protect a business run by the sleazy Khindri family. Car Source is a repeat tax delinquent that has faced multiple suits by the state.

    To make it even worse, the Khindris testified that they never asked for help protecting their business. Then one of the Rittenhouse crew members testified that they were asked to help, and even offered money to do so. (The Khindris never paid them)

    So it appears the Khindris lied their asses off. Used car dealers lying, I know, what a stretch. They seem totally cool with being prosecution witnesses, lying, and sending Rittenhouse to the gulag.

    Know who you’re protecting.

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  248. @AnotherDad

    Agreed. It was a line-in-the-sand moment: who controls the streets when the government won’t govern? Who holds ultimate rule in the society?

    And the conservacucks cucked, which is what conservacucks do.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  249. @Art Deco

    He thinks it’s a total farce, and has decayed into a farce in spite of the ineptitude of the defense counsel, who spurned a score of opportunities to raise objections to the prosecutors line of questioning

    The Andrew Branca you’re indirectly referring to says there can be a good reason to do that, when the prosecution steps on its [redacted], if you object and remove that from consideration you aren’t then able to use in on cross examination. He thinks the lawyers have made many less mistakes that you criminal defense lawyer acquaintance says.

    On other question: is that guy used to defending criminals, people who are actually guilty of the crimes they’re charged with? The game is somewhat different when you’re defending an innocent.

    and refused the services of Barnes Law’s jury consultants. It’s his view that the defense has a shot at a directed verdict.

    The former is a big question mark which will only be answered in the favor of the defense if it gets a clean all not-guilty set of verdicts, modulo the mess of laws pertaining to Rittenhouse’s age.

    But no directed verdict happened, and per Branca wasn’t in the cards once the prosecution presented evidence at the level a jury is needed to judge it.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Reg Cæsar
  250. @Paperback Writer

    It’s legal in Wisconsin to defend your property with legal firearms. It’s not legal to chase down the arsonists and shoot them.

    The latter, while having no bearing on this case, is actually not so clear cut. One of the things police and citizens are allowed to do is to use lethal force on a fleeing criminal if they have a reasonable belief that criminal will be an imminent lethal threat to other people. Think of the not unheard of crazy guy with a knife who’s on a spree slashing on a street; if you manage to deter or defend yourself against him while letting him get past you, but he continues to slash people….

    Arson is considered to be a serious felony because it’s all too easy for it to kill a lot of people, some of the worst mass murders in the US have been arsons, from a night club to striking union members setting fire to a hotel. So a case might be made that a serious spree arsonist on such a night needed to be “chased down” and stopped by any means including lethal force.

    However in this case the out of control arsonist Grosscruetz wasn’t super effective and lots of buildings that night weren’t occupied by people, although Rittenhouse’s lesser action of (helping to?) put out one of the fires Grosscruetz set appears it could have been a motive to attack him. But unpacking the crazy of that possible example of “suicide by armed citizen” is not something we’re going to be able to do.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  251. @ic1000

    Revised meta-analyses that exclude suspect studies show little or no benefit

    . So you’re saying that if you cherry-pick the input you can get the results you want?

    “Science” for hire.

    • Replies: @ic1000
  252. I’m totally sympathetic to that. I still think Alec was being hard on Elli. Not restating my argument – just read what I wrote.

    Kyle was not where he should have been that night. But he’s no murderer – in my useless opinion. I pray the jury agrees.

    Tony Evers should be in that dock.

  253. @John Johnson

    I came across something here:

    https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/please-just-fucking-tell-me-what

    The article is good, but I’m citing it here because of this comment:

    Erin E.Nov 8
    There are a handful of these people I engage with semi regularly (mostly women, many former/questioning evangelicals who don’t yet recognize they’re filling the Church Need with a new social based dogma) and any time I make a reasonable comment or ask a reasonable question, I literally get ignored. Total silence.

    I think that’s a good observation – the Evangelicals of the 80s are parents and grandparents now. Many woke people, especially females, are their children.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @John Johnson
  254. RobinG says:
    @Paperback Writer

    “…what went on that night.”

    What you describe went on the previous night(s). THAT night was more rally than riot, with Rosenbaum’s dumpster fires being the exception. Kyle and friends were there in response to past huge conflagration and vandalism.

    Yes, it was horrendous, and not all indigenous: some Antifa scum had driven there from Portland/Seattle for the purpose. The MSM better let out more facts of the trial, or the mob will be shocked [into more “moronic anarchy and hard-core insurrectionist violence”] by the verdict.

  255. RobinG says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    “arsonist Grosscruetz ”

    You meant Rosenbaum, right?

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  256. ngzax says: • Website
    @notsaying

    what a stupid comment. you can join the military at 17.

    the ever expanding definition of childhood, far worse for men than women, is one of the key reasons for our ongoing collapse.

  257. Art Deco says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    I’ve been looking in on Branca, too, who has written a monograph on self-defense. The lawyer I’m referring to is someone else with whom I correspond.

  258. Art Deco says:
    @Paperback Writer

    I tend to doubt the children of evangelicals are more likely to be ‘woke’ than a randomly selected person.

    I’ve a couple of evangelicals among my cousins. They’ve had trouble holding on to their children (all born between 1974 and 1994). You don’t see any ‘wokery’. I’d say 1 of 6 is a professing evangelical today. About 3 0f 6 are not voluble on the subject and it’s difficult to discern where they are and where they’re headed; none are notably political. All four have business and professional jobs, one of the four more demanding than the other three. Of their brothers, one is an engineer-turned-banker who is something of a bon vivant; he’s into his hot gf, and fine liquor. The other is a sometime college teacher (who works at other trades between short-term contracts) who is an opinionated old leftist; he’s not the least bit ‘woke’, however.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  259. Rittenhouse is quite eloquent in his testimony. He deflects the prosecutor’s horseshit, even inspiring the judge to send the jury out to discuss the prosecutor’s improprieties in his questioning. Now the cameras are off and they’re re-playing previous testimony. The kid is pretty sharp. Very, in fact.

    • Thanks: Alden
    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  260. @Paperback Writer

    But Anthony Huber, whose father is John Huber, Jr.?

    The Hoovers came here as Hubers. Nobody ever mistook Herbert and J Edgar for Jewish.

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
  261. @That Would Be Telling

    The Andrew Branca you’re indirectly referring to says there can be a good reason to do that, when the prosecution steps on its [redacted], if you object and remove that from consideration you aren’t then able to use in on cross examination.

    The Branca family has learned the hard way how to deal with fat pitches.

    many less mistakes

    No comment…

  262. Jack D says:
    @Paperback Writer

    Demonstration was putting it politely. The fact that it was a riot was all the more reason not to send/allow your untrained 17 year old to go into what (not unforeseeably) turned out to be a kill or be killed situation for him. Neither outcome was desirable. I didn’t know that Rittenhouse was fatherless but that explains a lot.

    My son had his own young man’s idealistic desire to help his fellow citizens, but he was able to channel them into a structured setting – the volunteer fire service. This involves taking very real risks (this year alone two in our township have died in the line of duty) but calculated risks and only after a lot (and I mean a lot) of training and under mature adult supervision. Still, even with all of that and with all the modern equipment and technology that they have, things can and do go wrong in an instant, but he wanted to contribute to our society in a tangible way and I did not try to discourage him from serving.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  263. Jack D says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Look, our Constitution gives people the right to keep and bear arms expressly so that they can be part of the “militia” , which doesn’t mean the National Guard but the body of citizens who can come together in times of insurrection.

    However, it talks about a “well regulated” militia. Our Permanent Government is a jealous master who would not readily allow competing power centers to arise (unless, like Antifa, they are perceived to serve their interest) . On the other hand, without some degree of organization or “regulation” , all you have is atomized individuals like Rittenhouse who do not stand a chance against a violent mob (he is lucky to have escaped with his life), not to mention a mob (Antifa) that appears to have a fairly high degree of organization of its own. So this is a bit of a conundrum – you need organization but if you try to organize this is an illegal conspiracy (see Jan. 6) and the State will come down on you like a ton of bricks. Meanwhile I am still waiting for the government to go after Antifa in any way.

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @ic1000
  264. TWS says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    The way FBI conducts its interviews should set off red flags for everyone. No recording and the only record is written in pencil? Who would trust anyone not to cheat in that case?

  265. Alden says:
    @John Johnson

    Incredibly naive statement. Most burglars are never caught. Because by the time police respond to the address and speak with the person who called; the burglar is miles away.

    In some jurisdictions, maybe most, police don’t even take fingerprints for residential burglaries Which is unfortunate because most are career criminals with fingerprints and DNA on file.

    In some liberal democrat run big cities, the dispatchers refuse to send a car unless the burglar is actually in the building. In the yard, trying to open windows and doors the dispatchers are under orders not to send a car.

    And trespassing isn’t a crime. The Penal codes in most states consider trespass to be a crime only if a felony is committed while trespassing. It’s basically a plea bargain term. Break into and enter a house beat and seriously injure someone and it’s reduced to criminal trespass. Maybe 2 months in county jail.

    You must be a criminal loving liberal. Call the police. And wait and wait and wait. I just looked at Los Angeles PD website Use and abuse of 911. 911 is not to be used to call police.911 is only to be used to call the FIRE department. For an ambulance or fires. For police matters there a list of numbers to call.

  266. ic1000 says:
    @Jack D

    > this is an illegal conspiracy (see Jan. 6)…

    As an NBC viewer, I can assure you that this is not the right way to look at it. January 6th was a deadly, illegal insurrection or an illegal, deadly riot. If it was okay to skip important adjectives, they would already have done so.

  267. @ic1000

    The reporter explained that the footage couldn’t resolve whether or not Rosenbaum was close enough to grab the rifle when he was shot (nothing about confirmation of Rosenbaum’s pursuit of Rittenhouse, a key and contested defense claim).

    Is that the narrative that Clown 5 News was going with????

    As if Rosenbaum would have stopped a few feet from Kyle and not gone for the rifle?

    Our national media is so incredibly petty and can never just admit to basic facts. What did they want Kyle to do in this case? Wait to find out if Rosenbaum the mental case would have taken the gun and shot him?

  268. @Almost Missouri

    Pretty much tells you all you need to know about the current state of things.

  269. RobinG says:
    @Jack D

    ” I didn’t know that Rittenhouse was fatherless…”

    You still don’t know shit about this, but I’m not the one to clue you in.

  270. @Paperback Writer

    I think that’s a good observation – the Evangelicals of the 80s are parents and grandparents now. Many woke people, especially females, are their children.

    I had to work with some male Evangelicals and they just seemed unbalanced. They had a hard time finding a balance with popular culture and their beliefs. They would watch crass and violent Hollywood shows and talk about them all day. I was the oddball who had little interest in television and preferred going out for drinks on the weekend with my then fiancé. In their minds I was a lush and assumed to have other sinful habits.

    Evangelicals take the position that the Bible is inerrant. That means a hardline on creationism which I think causes some degree of mental duress. They also strongly believe in hell and that everyone else but them is going.

    Race denial is probably their worst characteristic. That and their unspoken anti-Catholic stance. If you talk about going to mass or hanging out with Catholics they will look at you as if you take part in homosexual orgies.

    I prefer them to secular liberals and they overwhelmingly voted for Trump but the Evangelical outlook is definitely not healthy compared to Catholic or Orthodox. There is just too much mental burden of race/evolution denial and they place all that burden onto children unfortunately. One of the worst sects but I suppose preferable to Mormons and Unitarians.

  271. @Art Deco

    Perhaps not more likely but certainly not less. I thought the whole point of being religious is that you keep hold of your children, and you indicate they have not.

    There is some boil-off in the Orthodox and the Amish communities but not that much.

    I think both communities bear watching.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  272. @John Johnson

    I know what you mean. I’ve seen this myself.

    It’s strange how people who are supposedly at odds with pop culture are such addicts of it. This is something they have in common with the alt-right. Both groups (which to be fair to the Evangelicals, do not intersect at all) have little interest in the culture they are supposedly trying to preserve.

  273. @RobinG

    You appear to have info that I don’t. Are you from the area, or do you have a source?

    • Replies: @RobinG
  274. @Bragadocious

    You’re forgetting the general value of not letting your city turn into a war zone, the scars of which will last years to decades. Or in this case further turn into one.

    Sleazy or not, I’ll bet the testimony from the used car dealership owner and his son was coerced, and the reason for not paying afterwords should be patently obvious.

  275. @RobinG

    “arsonist Grosscruetz ”

    You meant Rosenbaum, right?

    My mistake, yes I meant Rosenbaum in both uses in that paragraph.

  276. @Jim Christian

    [On the stand] The kid is pretty sharp. Very, in fact.

    From everything I’ve read, despite the trope that the infantry is a place to dump dumb people, it highly rewards intelligence. Which would seem to be a factor in how the action played out that night.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  277. ic1000 says:
    @Veteran Aryan

    > So you’re saying that if you cherry-pick the input you can get the results you want?

    Yes.

  278. Art Deco says:
    @Paperback Writer

    I thought the whole point of being religious is that you keep hold of your children,

    No that’s not the whole point of religion.

  279. RobinG says:
    @Paperback Writer

    Here’s my story. As an older person, confined by covid, what was there to do last summer but stay up late nights watching the riots. I was going to refer you to comment 226, but I see it’s yours, lol. Okay, at the end of the Killing Kenosha video there are lots of credits. I followed in real time the twitter accounts of most of them. Plus there were the great [now banned from twitter] aggregators, Kitty Shackleford and Special Agent Viti, plus a couple others. They (cleverer techies than I) found all the great footage and reposted it. Of course, Brendan Gutenschwager was in the right place at the right time, but there were many other clips.

    Anyway, the only piece I didn’t have until this week was, what happened between Kyle being in the gas station (the scene of him bringing extinguisher to put out Rosenbaum’s dumpster fire), and Rosenbaum chasing him across the parking lot.

    Let me tell you what really pisses me off: the people who disparage Kyle w/o having a clue, and most of them are adamant about it. Not only do they depend on the horrendously biased MSM, they refuse to look at the evidence themselves. “Oh, no. That’s too horrible. I don’t want to see it.” It’s sickening. They’d lynch this kid to protect their tender sensibilities. Fuck them. And yes, between this and St. Floyd, and Covid insanity, I lost a job and a lot of friends last year. And that was on top of those lost to TDS. Any sympathy appreciated.

    • Agree: mike99588
    • Thanks: JMcG, Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  280. @John Johnson

    the Evangelical outlook is definitely not healthy compared to Catholic or Orthodox.

    Plus there’s the added Catholic bonus of sinning all you want, just as long as The Church gets their cut. Evangelicals just don’t have a “healthy” enough outlook to go for that.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  281. @TWS

    The way FBI conducts its interviews should set off red flags for everyone. No recording and the only record is written in pencil? Who would trust anyone not to cheat in that case?

    The FBI is trusted because everyone watched the (((Quinn Martin))) and (((Philip Saltzman))) production of The F.B.I. staring (((Efrem Zimbalist Jr.))) back in 1965-74 and in reruns.

    Amazing how your worldview tilts just a bit after you can add Early Life to your vocabulary, here to augment your memory of TV shows you watched when you were young.

    We only learned much later in the Flynn case the agent Joe Pientka who interviewed him along with Peter Strzok and wrote up first FD-302 form didn’t think he was lying. But after three weeks of editing by Strzok and Lisa Page (not even a agent with a badge) it became a suitable document for their and Andy McCabe’s purposes (“Biden” just restored the latter’s pension and other retirement benefits, who says crime doesn’t pay?). As far as I remember and could find just now the original FD-302 was “lost” and never found. How many times does that sort of thing happen to less prominent cases?

    Indeed, why does anyone trust our secret police not to lie when no one can call them on it unless they record their own copy of interviews, and avoid all copies of it from being seized?

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  282. Anonymous[222] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rob McX

    Blacks don’t care about Rittenhouse. It’s communists he needs to watch out for.

    • Disagree: Hangnail Hans
  283. @RobinG

    You have my sympathy. That and \$5 will get you a Big Mac. I have zero power or influence.

    On and off, I watched Kenosha burn but as I said elsewhere I got so sick I couldn’t stand it and said to myself, “what’s the point?” so I turned off and ignored the subject until a few weeks ago.

    I didn’t have a hard opinion about Kyle I began to pay attention. I really wasn’t aware of the trajectory of the night’s events. Wasn’t aware of the fact that he was pursued, not the other way around. I concluded that he’s innocent of all but the gun charge. Yes, it is true that most people are morons who form opinions based on media factoids. But the jury will see the evidence. I just pray they haven’t been terrorized.

    Thanks for those names. I’m familiar with some of them. I will look them up.

    I probably don’t know anything you don’t but there’s something that confuses me. Grosskreutz testified that his gun permit had “expired.” But on Twitter he produced what looks like a legit permit, which shows an expiration date of 2023:

    What’s up with that?

    Had it been revoked, and did he lie?

  284. @RobinG

    The MSM better let out more facts of the trial, or the mob will be shocked [into more “moronic anarchy and hard-core insurrectionist violence”] by the verdict.

    I don’t think that’ll happen because the two decedents and GG were all white. If Kyle had killed Jump Kick Man (who looks black to me) then he’d be fucked.

    Trouble ahead in the Kim Potter trial. That poor woman.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  285. RobinG says:
    @Paperback Writer

    I have zero power. Don’t be so sure. The good vibe is priceless.

    I know nothing about the license. Maybe someone else does. That Would Be Telling seems to follow the hard details.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  286. @Paperback Writer

    Trouble ahead in the Kim Potter trial. That poor woman.

    Is there any controversy about the claim she intended to use her Taser and used her handgun instead? In what sounds like a situation that hadn’t escalated to lethal force yet, with two male police officers trying to control the perp she shot?

    Not as bad as the California BART (Bay area commuter train/subway system) example where the perp was already largely under control, but this is one mistake where police aren’t as far as I known given a lot of slack, although of course in both these cases the perp was black. It’s certainly an unforgivable error in my book.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  287. mike99588 says:

    May the Farce be With You

    Too bad when Kyle broke down on the stand over the trauma of the ambush at the burning dumpster and the haywire events that followed,
    too bad he didn’t bawl out:

    “Now I have PTSD because I realize that crazy Joseph Rosenbaum really would have analized my tender young dead body right there on national TV….”

    • LOL: John Johnson
  288. RobinG says:
    @Paperback Writer

    “…I couldn’t stand it and said to myself, “what’s the point?” “

    Well, isolation can lead to obsession. Since I was being cancelled for my unwokeness, I just drilled down. You know who else was very good about this…. Michael Tracey. He made a cross country trip, interviewed people in cities that had been burned, was almost assaulted himself by Antifa (in Portland, iirc), and wrote about what a creepy cult the White BLM worshippers were.

  289. JimDandy says:
    @Jack D

    TBH means “To be honest,” right? That’s odd, because your response is filled with disingenuousness. Obviously, you know that I know that Ivermectin isn’t just for horses–or even primarily for horses. You’re being insincere. You have been derisive about its use to fight Covid for some time now, and in doing so you have embarrassed yourself.

    But I definitely believe you when you say you wouldn’t have advised your son to defend Kenosha. I’m sure you wouldn’t have advised your son to serve in America’s proxy wars for Israel, either. The difference is that Kyle’s mission was noble, and it protected Americans’ interests. The oily mayor of Kenosha (and the pathetic governor of Wisconsin) refused to stop the Antifa/BLM animals who sought to loot and pillage and burn that town to the ground. Kyle volunteered to defend property and provide first aid and he incurred the wrath of a child-rapist arsonist and a lynch-mob of his peers intent on killing him for putting out some of their fires. Kyle thought he might need that weapon for self-defense. Good fucking thing he brought it.

  290. @That Would Be Telling

    Not arguing she is without fault. I am arguing that juries cannot be under pressure of BLM to render verdicts to BLM’s satisfaction.

  291. @Veteran Aryan

    Plus there’s the added Catholic bonus of sinning all you want, just as long as The Church gets their cut. Evangelicals just don’t have a “healthy” enough outlook to go for that.

    Martin Luther didn’t actually have a problem with the sinning part either. He just didn’t think the Germans should have to pay the Catholics to do it.

    Evangelicals seem to think that man isn’t supposed to have baser instincts and must constantly fight them. I really think it makes them unbalanced and prone to biology denial. Too many of their men have a weird asexual vibe. They talk about lust and sexual sin as if it will follow you around for years. Get a handjob in band camp and your life is ruined.

    Catholics can go to confession after some sinning and then go about their day.

  292. RobinG says:
    @Paperback Writer

    Well, I like the judge. (And it was a pretty strange way to “support” a friend.)

    Chirafisi: This post right here is you equating something that Mr. Grosskreutz said to you.

    Marshall: I lied. He never said that. Those words had never came out of his mouth.

    Prosecutors objected because the question had been asked and answered; the judge overruled the objection.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  293. @JimDandy

    Sending a 17 year old into a riot zone is irresponsible and Kyle was nearly killed.

    I am glad he pulled the trigger to defend himself but he didn’t change anything on a political level.

    Most of those businesses in Kenosha were owned by Democrats that would lock Kyle away. Most Democrats would actually give him first degree murder which is insane:
    https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/crime/rittenhouse_trial_most_democrats_think_kenosha_shooter_guilty_others_disagree

    In Portland there were businesses that put up BLM signs in their windows to show that they were Good Whites that supported the cause. Well it didn’t work.

    A ballsy White like Kyle should not get his brain splattered to defend some Democrat boutique.

    The oily mayor of Kenosha (and the pathetic governor of Wisconsin) refused to stop the Antifa/BLM animals who sought to loot and pillage and burn that town to the ground.

    That was indeed the real problem and Kyle should have been at home watching the disaster and not risking his life for clown town properties. I would be more sympathetic if he was there defending a family business with adults in charge but his ‘crew’ left him alone pretty quickly.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    , @Alden
  294. @John Johnson

    Catholics can go to confession after some sinning and then go about their day.

    Evangelicals believe that it is God who forgives you, not The Church.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  295. JimDandy says:
    @John Johnson

    17-year olds have been sent into war zones by the U.S. military for hundreds of years. Kyle’s presence in Kenosha was more defensible than in any of those conflicts. And if you argue that he lacked proper training, you haven’t watched enough video. Was he overly-idealistic and naive? Perhaps, but I wish thousands of armed Kyles had descended on Kenosha that night. Tens of thousands would have been better.

    PS Kenosha ain’t Portland, BTW. Not even fucking close. Apples and oranges.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @Alden
  296. Hibernian says:
    @FPD72

    …scholar of the Reformation…

    For which read cheerleader for the Reformation. Dissolution of the monasteries, because monasticism “isn’t Biblical” (Jesus was the first monastic, for forty days and forty nights in the desert.) followed by sale of monastic land at fire sale prices to “aristocrats.”

  297. Hibernian says:
    @TWS

    It’s standard procedure for them. There needs to be a law against it.

  298. Alden says:
    @Jack D

    Ron Unz name is probably polish or some kind of Eastern European Unzokowski Unzkoksvitch

  299. JimDandy says:
    @mc23

    I agree. Kind of strange that there have been no major exposes–Tucker, O’Keefe, etc.–on the funding of individual Antifa/BLM street rioters. Shouldn’t be that hard to get a number of those methhead street freaks to speak on camera about how it works.

  300. Alden says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    We do need men like Kyle Rittenhouse . But we shouldn’t send them to the front lines to be destroyed as James Fields was and the Duke Lacrosse men almost were. We need to protect them because they are precious.

    As well as the non Whites who hate us and want us exterminated; at least half the normal White population is anti White. Those groups don’t really matter. What does matter is that the only people who count; the upper upper levels of the elites want us exterminated.

    The war of the elites against Whites ended in 1979 Kaiser vs Weber. Whites lost elites won.

    Summer of 2020. Career criminal father of kids he never supported porn actor drug dealer of a deadly dangerous drug Fentanyl and passer of Chinese made counterfeit money died of a Fentanyl overdose while resisting arrest.

    Billions of dollars in damage police ordered to stand down rioters not even arrested. Great cities destroyed and will never recover.

    Those riots were not spontaneous. They were organized. Rioters were paid and bussed in. All the millions donated to BLM by big corporations and foundations are funneled directly to the DNC. George Soros isn’t the only multi billionaire. paying for BLM. Every major corporation and all the big foundations are giving. Money to BLM then to Democrats is A political party that declared war on Whites in 1964 and March 1961.

    The entire media entertainment education corporate and business community is against Whites. So don’t send the Kyle Rittenhouse men out to be incarcerated in a vicious gulag. There’s a time to fight and a time to hide from the coming extermination.

    The best analogy to the present situation of Whites in America is English Catholics from 1533 to 1832. For 299 years except for 5 years so 294 years it was illegal to be a Catholic in England and later Scotland. Catholics were banned from almost all occupations and professions and not allowed to attend school or college. Or serve e in parliament be any elected official. Or join the military. Or sell goods and services to any government agency or the military Catholics were allowed to be actors directors own and work in theaters musicians circuses. Actress Drew Barrymore is a descendant of one of those families.

    House of Lords is hereditary not elected but catholic lords were banned from their hereditary positions. Catholics and Protestants were fined every Sunday they didn’t attend a CofE service. The fine was substantial so even prosperous people were bankrupted.

    Shakespeares parents were destroyed because they were Catholics. The prosperous glove manufacturer, former Mayor and Alderman important member of the equivalent of the chamber of commerce owner of a house and 2 rental properties lost everything and ended up living with relatives because they stayed catholic.

    What was done to the Shakespeare’s is being done to us. Lose a business lose a job forbidden to work whether it’s because of race or religion it’s all the same.

    With a big difference. It’s easy to change your religion. And confirm to an Islamic invasion or a new state religion but you can’t change your race. We’re facing genocide. I honestly think the best thing is to change you or your kids surname to a Spanish name. Can’t take a hunting rifle to a tank battle.

    And what happened in 1832. One quarter of the House of Lords declared their families had been secret Catholics for 294 years. Also vast numbers of baronets and Gentry. And as soon as a few Catholic Churches were built they were full. By pretending to submit English and Scots Catholics survived

    As far as joining any kind of White resistance group. DON’T. Remember Vicki and Sammy Weaver. Sammy was a great shot at 14. But a boy and his hunting rifle couldn’t defend himself against dozens of FBI and ATF haters and exterminators of Whites

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  301. @JimDandy

    17-year olds have been sent into war zones by the U.S. military for hundreds of years.

    So what? I’m against that as well.

    And if you argue that he lacked proper training, you haven’t watched enough video.

    Yes he did lack proper training as seen in the video. He went off by himself and then retreated in the open. He didn’t have a smoke grenade or a backup gun.

    PS Kenosha ain’t Portland, BTW. Not even fucking close. Apples and oranges.

    My point was that these are Democrat areas.

    He could have just as easily died defending some business owned by a Democrat that would have locked him away.

    The riots made complete fools of these Democrat mayors. They chose to let angry Blacks and Antifa run wild and the country watched the results.

  302. duncsbaby says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Nobody ever mistook Herbert and J Edgar for Jewish.

    There are those who whisper that J. Edgar was black. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/is-it-true-hoover-passed-for-white/article4166642/

    Rumours of Hoover’s black roots are not entirely new, of course. Some years ago, novelist Gore Vidal told biographer Anthony Summers ( Official and Confidential: the Secret Life of J. Edgar Hoover) that it was “always said in my family and around the city [Washington, D.C.]that he was mulatto. People said he came from a family that had ‘passed.’ “

  303. Alden says:

    Kyle wasn’t a careless kid who went out to see the riot. He’d been in the Illinois Police Explorer program and a similar Fire Department program for several years and had an EMT certificate. So he was a capable person to put our fires and protect businesses.

    The jr EMT license is the same as adults. They go through all the training and continue education and training and practicing. It’s the same as the jr lifeguard EMT. In San Mateo County Ca all the jr lifeguard kids are considered essential emergency workers. The Police Cadets and Explorers and kids in the fire department programs are trained to do things like direct traffic in tornadoes earthquakes and things. Search for people missing in suburbs and rural areas and do basic medical treatment.

    That’s why he was there. The White hating liberals are screeching that the police didn’t arrest him that night when he told them he killed the White hating liberals. It was because Kyle was a member of the police and fire department programs.

    White hating liberals call him a vigilante. Vigilantes were organized trained as well as the local police force and kept the peace in times of chaos. San Francisco was fine for 50 years when it was the peaceful settlement of Buena Vista. I don’t think there was any kind of police or jail or court house. Maybe there was. Then came the Gold Rush. And anarchy for a few years. It took the vigilantes a few years to lower the crime rate. Now thanks to blacks and White hating liberals the town’s back to anarchy.

    So Kyle was qualified and trained to put out fires give medical treatment and preform other public safety functions Like putting up those road block fences.

    The kids who are in those public safety programs really are trained to do their jobs . And it’s so good for them to be treated like responsible adults and not stupid kids. Or pathetic victims because they are girls or gay or trans undecided or so traumatized by normal life they can’t function without safe spaces and support groups.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  304. Alden says:
    @John Johnson

    You might want to do a little research and find out how many Catholics actually go to confession. Probably 5 percent or less. How many Protestants believe in predestination that only a few people will go to heaven or that the earth was created by an old man in the sky 6,000 years ago?

    Catholics run the largest private school
    System in the country good safe nigger free schools. That proves Catholics and their church are superior to the Jews and Protestants and their disastrous shameful public schools. Where their own White children are terrorized by blacks and subjected to vicious anti White sex deviant sex. crime communist propaganda from age 5 on.

    Old French saying. Don’t listen to what he says. Watch what he does. Protestants blather away about nonsensical superstitions. Catholics run hospitals and private schools .

  305. Alden says:
    @JimDandy

    Kyle was in the Illinois police explorer program and a similar Fire Department Program for years and had an EMT certificate. He was well trained to put out the arson fires set by BLM anti fa. And treat injured people And judging by his shooting he was a well trained excellent shot.

  306. @Alden

    The kids who are in those public safety programs really are trained to do their jobs

    He wasn’t acting as a junior EMT or police officer. Those roles have very clear expectations and provide support.

    His role in Kenosha was closer to a militiaman and his amateurish crew of ragtag teenagers let him wander off alone.

    I am all for giving him an award for bravery but there was no victory against the establishment. These cities have a thousand Rosenbaums.

    You can’t play tit for tat with the establishment.

    The way to win is to undermine the narrative. It isn’t by sending in 17 year olds with AR15s to a Democrat city.

    • Replies: @Alden
  307. JimDandy says:
    @John Johnson

    17-year olds have been sent into war zones by the U.S. military for hundreds of years.

    “So what? I’m against that as well.”

    *Something magical happens when they turn 18 and register for the draft? You’re a pacifist against all war? You think only men 30+ should go to combat? You despise our genetics for the role young men are supposed to play within our species? What’s your point?

    And if you argue that he lacked proper training, you haven’t watched enough video.

    “Yes he did lack proper training as seen in the video. He went off by himself and then retreated in the open. He didn’t have a smoke grenade or a backup gun.”

    *Actually, he gets a grade of 100%. 3-for-3, with zero collateral damage. Ok, he only wounded the last piece of shit, but, like he said, his intention wasn’t to kill anyone. Fucking saint, on top of being an Audie Murphy for our times.

    PS Kenosha ain’t Portland, BTW. Not even fucking close. Apples and oranges.

    “My point was that these are Democrat areas.

    He could have just as easily died defending some business owned by a Democrat that would have locked him away.”

    *You’re caught up in sterile ideology, which makes you too out of touch to really comment on this subject. Kenosha is tantamount to being Kyle’s hometown, and it was invaded by truly evil interlopers who teamed up with local animals to desecrate something that was essentially sacred to him. The greaseball corrupt mayor and the Democrat governor did not represent the will of Kenoshans. People from the Kenosha area aren’t the fucking wackjob lefties that live in greater Portland. That was evidenced by the fact that many locals like Kyle showed up to “do something” about the total evil that had descended on Kenosha. The businesses were by no means all owned by Democrats, and it wasn’t even specifically about the business owners when it came down to it. Similar instincts to the ones that made Kyle want to be a lifeguard sent him to Kenosha that night.

    “The riots made complete fools of these Democrat mayors. They chose to let angry Blacks and Antifa run wild and the country watched the results.”

    Nah, the MSM was essentially praising the riots that erupted across America and the leaders who enabled the rioters–and brainwashing a good chunk of America with an insidious narrative. As Steve points out again tonight, Kyle singlehandedly ended the Kenosha riots. Kyle made complete fools of that mayor and Governor. He fucking humiliated them. The GOP candidate for POTUS 2024 should run on the promise of awarding him the Presidential Medal of Honor.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Alden
  308. Alden says:

    Kyle’s EMT license was part of his jr lifeguard training. He’d been a jr lifeguard since he was 15. Lifeguards including the Jrs are considered essential public safety workers. In San Mateo County Ca, the swimming pools were closed the first week of March 2020 because of covid hoax. Because they are essential public safety workers the jr life guards continued getting their paychecks for several months. Then they got unemployment

    Lifeguard with an EMT license Police Explorer and in a similar fire department program Kyle wasn’t an impulsive kid . I remember back when it happened several people said Kyle and others went to Kenosha to put our the arson fires

    Kyle May be acquitted in every charge. But Whites as a whole are in great danger.

  309. Alden says:
    @John Johnson

    Problem with Kenosha is it has a large black population. It was a very low crime excellent schools great town till sometime in the mid 1970s.

    Then the Chicago ghetto projects thugs and welfare moms discovered that Wisconsin welfare benefits were higher than Illinois. So they moved first to Kenosha right on the border and then further north.
    I vaguely remember some Articles in National Review about the behavior of the black kids in the public schools as soon as they arrived. And some articles in New Republic or Atlantic defending the black thugs violence and aggression. It was all the fault of those evil White conservative teachers who just didn’t know how to deal with those oh so sensitive black babies

    Typical liberal journalist morons. Just because they’re blue eyed church going Lutherans, the people of Wisconsin aren’t conservatives. They are Socialists. Not conservatives at all.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    , @JimDandy
  310. Alden says:
    @John Johnson

    Kyle was an essential public service worker. EMT life guard police explorer program and a similar Fire Department program. He was trained to put out arson fires.

  311. Hibernian says:
    @Alden

    WI was the home of La Follette and Proxmire, but also Joe McCarthy and Scott Walker.

    • Thanks: JimDandy
    • Replies: @Alden
  312. @Paperback Writer

    The videos of the events have been generally available for a year. Rittenhouse didn’t “chase” anyone. He was retreating and being chased by a pack of Democratic party paramilitaries when attacked and shot in self defense.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  313. Hibernian says:
    @Veteran Aryan

    So do Catholics. Regardless of what your youth pastor or whoever else told you. (A roomate in college told me Catholics were forbidden to read the Bible. When I challenged him on thet, he said his youth pastor told him so.) The priest is a witness only and if you’re not truly sorry, regardless of the words of absolution, you’re not forgiven.

    • Replies: @Veteran Aryan
    , @Alden
  314. Hibernian says:
    @John Johnson

    Martin Luther didn’t actually have a problem with the sinning part either. He just didn’t think the Germans should have to pay the Catholics to do it.

    LOL!

  315. Brutusale says:
    @John Johnson

    It’s probably different in the South, but up here in MA the only evangelicals I’ve ever met are recovering alcoholics and drug abusers.

  316. @RobinG

    I know nothing about the license. Maybe someone else does. That Would Be Telling seems to follow the hard details.

    Only to the extent I’m reading and skimming Andrew Branca’s analysis of each day’s events at the trial, plus yesterday’s excesses of the prosecution which were so severe he did a mid-day update on actions potentially meriting a ruling of mistrial with prejudice, that is the state cannot try Rittenhouse again. Plus a few other sources here and there.

    Not investing too much in the details of the trial because we have no idea if the jury is going to give Rittenhouse a fair hearing, vs. follow their expressed during jury selection fears of consequences if they vote “incorrectly.” Which the judge didn’t exactly help by saying that had never happened in his 38 I think it was years on the bench, “and even judges only get assassinated every 10-14 years” or something to that effect.

    That is, the judge certainly knows the stakes, he’s clearly not an idiot. He also didn’t sequester the jury, so they would know about the protests at the courthouse each day, and may have learned they are being doxxed with that info to be released if they vote to acquit Rittenhouse.

    As for Grosskreutz’s concealed carry license, it hardly matters if it was expired if the state is never going to prosecute him. Although if he doesn’t have a current one that would lend strength to the old claim he’s a felon convicted of a crime pertaining to be armed and intoxicated.

  317. @Hibernian

    The priest is a witness only and if you’re not truly sorry, regardless of the words of absolution, you’re not forgiven.

    Oh, and the tithe. Don’t forget the tithe. Works, however, are unnecessary.

    No works, no salvation:

    [MORE]

    25 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

    2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.

    3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:

    4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

    5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

    6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

    7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.

    8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

    9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

    10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

    11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

    12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

    13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

    14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.

    15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.

    16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.

    17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.

    18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord’s money.

    19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.

    20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.

    21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

    22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.

    23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

    24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:

    25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.

    26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:

    27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.

    28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.

    29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

    30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

    32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

    33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

    34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

    35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

    36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

    37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

    38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

    39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

    40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

    41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

    42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

    43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

    44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

    45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

    46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
    ______________

    If you don’t understand the parable of the ten virgins, perhaps you should speak with a youth pastor.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  318. @RobinG

    Chirafisi: This post right here is you equating something that Mr. Grosskreutz said to you.

    Nitpick: I hate when people misuse words. The word “equate” here is incorrect word usage. (Unless the context provides an explanation.) I think he means “relating.” But the best word would have been “reporting” or better yet, “quoting”. This being a big time trial, an adjective would have been called for:

    Quoting verbatim.
    Quoting exactly.
    Quoting precisely
    Etc.

    About the judge, he’s usually pro-defense according to a Michael Tracey tweet, quoting a WaPo article. So he’s usually on the “good” side.

  319. @RobinG

    I referred to Tracey in another comment to you, about Schroeder.

    I, too, have become obsessed in the last 20 months, and since I work on contract anyway, it’s led to some bad habits. But I’ve become obsessed with other things, perhaps to take my mind off what I think is the permanent takeover of the US by truly terrible people. But that’s another story for another day.

    As I said

    “I didn’t have a hard opinion about Kyle I began to pay attention. I really wasn’t aware of the trajectory of the night’s event”

    To flesh that out, I was sympathetic to Kyle in an abstract way but I had a bad feeling that he was guilty. I had not looked at the facts. I thought he was a young dummy who got involved in a bad situation (caused by Tony Evers) but that he reacted to these circumstances in a way that would end hm up in jail and perhaps rightfully so.

    He may end up in jail but wrongfully so. I looked at all the facts. I’m not good at looking at grainy videos but I looked at them. Mostly I paid attention to the fact pattern. And I think he’s innocent of all charges except the gun charge, on which he’s facially guilty, and should be sentenced to time served.

    Mostly I never realized how truly awful two things were. One: that 911 call that JB’s girlfriend (can’t find her name & won’t waste time trying) made. It was really frantic. I watched the videos of the arrest – those were way easier to follow than the confusing Rittenhouse vids. For fuck’s sake, it was chaos, caused by one nasty black criminal who just didn’t wanna be arrested. And for this, a nice Midwestern town burned? Yes.

    Then seeing how these bastards behaved in Kenosha. I had ignored this because when my blood starts to boil…. it does me no good.

    But I had to start paying attention. This can happen anywhere. The bastards have the recipe now.

  320. @JimDandy

    It’s possible to think that Kyle was an idealistic young fool who shouldn’t have been in a situation brought upon by an evil governor and an evil press and an evil ruling class but that he’s 100% innocent and should walk free (minus gun charges).

    And that after he walks free (God willing) he should be showered with love and affection by Tucker and every right-leaning media person, and get a fat book contract worth millions.

    And that all the woke mob who runs our media and society should choke on that. Choke and vomit. I don’t care how much they spew hate towards him, he’s our boy.

    But I still wish he hadn’t shown up to protect that car lot, owned by Pakistanis who perjured themselves to disclaim any responsibility in the matter. Why should Kyle risk life and limb to protect them?

    • Disagree: JimDandy
    • Replies: @JimDandy
  321. @RobinG

    PS One more point to add to my frame of mind at the beginning of Kenosha.

    I had never listened to the 911 call and I wondered whether Shaniqua wasn’t calling the cops because she just wanted to get back at Blake. As has been suggested here many times by the resident misogynists, women can do that & usually they aren’t named Karen.

    Well, listening to that 911 call, no. She had damn good reason to call the cops on Blake. She was genuinely terrified. With damn good reason.

    • Replies: @Alden
  322. JimDandy says:
    @Alden

    Calling the (white) people of Wisconsin “socialists” is reductive at best.

    • Replies: @Alden
  323. JimDandy says:
    @Paperback Writer

    Oh, you mean the “white nationalist” Kyle Rittenhouse? He tried to protect that lot–among other properties–because he’s not racist. The lot owners certainly are, though–Kyle isn’t part of their tribe, so they lied and threw him under the bus. Hopefully Kyle learned something from that.

    For Kyle, it wasn’t really about protecting that car lot, though. It was about defending his milieu. If a bunch of animals are trying to burn down the taco place next door, I’m not going to stop them purely out of altruism. I’m going to stop them because I don’t want that shit happening on my doorstep. I’m glad he went. He made the world a better place.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  324. @RobinG

    What you describe went on the previous night(s). THAT night was more rally than riot, with Rosenbaum’s dumpster fires being the exception.

    Thanks but the basic issue is this: Kyle was running away from people who he had good reason to believe were trying to kill him – even if they were not.

    Also, why wasn’t Ziminski called to testify? He started the whole thing. I can see why the state didn’t call him but what about the defense?

  325. @JimDandy

    Oh, you mean the “white nationalist” Kyle Rittenhouse?

    No. I never said that.

    And even if he were, I’d still defend his right to self-defense.

    Your point, sir?

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  326. @bomag

    How do you know what Sheskey’s opinions are?

  327. Alden says:
    @Hibernian

    Joe McCarthy was the second greatest White man of the 20th century. The greatest was General Franco of Spain who fought against the communist invasion of Spain and drove them out. As far as I know, Spain under the direction of Franco and Finland in WW2 are the only countries in the world that defeated a communist take over.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  328. Alden says:
    @Hibernian

    Why would anyone read the ridiculous collection of myths and fairy tales known as the Bible. I used to read amren . I stopped because about one third of the posts were from superstitious hillbilly holler fanatics immersed in the Jewish, not the Christian part of the Bible The world was created by an old man in the sky 6,000 years ago. Jews are the chosen people. Give our pathetic wages and welfare payments to Israel. Bible Bible Bible

    Henry 8 actually did forbid reading the Bible by women and all men but Church of England clergy. Because when married to not insane Lutheran Anne Boleyn he ordered English language bibles available as a library in every Church of England church which Henry insisted was not a Protestant Church.

    So people gathered and someone read aloud. And in the Protestant manner communicated directly with God . And went insane running around town preaching in the marketplaces as the apostles did after Jesus died. There was also a lot of inappropriate yanking in the church bible readings. Because the most popular parts of the Bible were the rape incest and sex parts of the Jewish part of the Bible. Henry was not into freedom of religion or even discussion. So he removed the Bibles and forbade anyone except CofE clergy to read the Bible. His last wife Katherine Parr was under investigation for the crime of reading the Bible and even worse, suspicion if Lutheran thought when Henry died.

    Amren was full of the commenters from hillbilly holler ranting that Catholics were and still are forbidden to read the Bible.

    So next time a bible reading rattle snake handler speaking in tongues lunatic tells you Catholics are forbidden read the Bible you can tell the Calvinist that Henry 8 was the only ruler to forbid reading the Bible. Mostly because bible reading undermined Henry’s church and all the inappropriate yanking during the rape incest and sex stories.

  329. Alden says:
    @Paperback Writer

    Blake’s baby momma already had a restraining order so the Police had to respond. The satanic liberal media claimed all he did was take her keys.

    Keys to her car then he got in the car and started it which is technically, legally according to Penal code is auto robbery. Not theft because robbery is stealing something directly from a person. Theft is stealing a car when the owner is not in it or in control if it.

  330. @John Johnson

    Agree with everything you say. The problem is, we’ve got Kenosha to the left of us, and guys like Jim Dandy to the right.

    “Between a rock and a hard place.”

  331. JimDandy says:
    @Paperback Writer

    That wasn’t directed at you–twas an ironic reference to the fact that he has been labeled a White Nationalist by many in the MSM and Joe Biden publicly called him a “White Supremacist.” I would also defend his right to self-defense if he considered himself either/both of those things.

    • Troll: Paperback Writer
    • Replies: @Alden
  332. Alden says:
    @JimDandy

    You know nothing about the state of Wisconsin the people who settled it the officials they elected Bob Lafollette and the Farmer Labor party which was a socialist party and ran Wisconsin for a century.

    Go to any search engine and look for Bob Lafollette Wisconsin farmer labor party socialist policies. Bet you never heard of Bob Lafollete named the party Farmer Labor because he knew the parties calling themselves socialist would be destroyed because of what Woodrow Wilson did to Eugene Debs and the socialist party during WW1. Another man and events you’ve never heard of either.

    150, 100 years ago liberalism didn’t mean destroying cities because a drug addict died resisting arrest, uni sex bathrooms trans genders worship of black criminals all the insanity of today’s liberalism

    The MEN OF UNZ the MEN OF UNZ, if they’ve never heard of something it can’t be true.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  333. Alden says:
    @JimDandy

    Good point if a White store owner or White person putting out an arson fire in his building were killed by the scum: the media would never have reported it the scum would not have been arrested and the riot would have continued.

  334. @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Come off it, I’m not disagreeing. Nor am I going to rehash everything I said.

    BTW, the judge just allowed an enhanced piece of video which supposedly shows that Kyle may have pointed his gun at the Ziminskis before J. Ziminski shot him. He will also allow testimony that such enhancement may distort the video.

    Me, I hope Ziminski is called to testify.

  335. @That Would Be Telling

    Oh, shut up. So this is all the fault of the Jooz, eh?

    You were useful for a while.

  336. @Jack D

    Are these guys STILL trying to say that the decedents were Jewish?

    OK, I guess there’s no cure for stupidity.

  337. Alden says:
    @JimDandy

    White Nationalists are the very best of the White Race. I’m one husband is one. I admire Kyle even more knowing he’s a White Nationalist . .

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  338. Alden says:
    @John Johnson

    Those kids are legally essential public safety workers. He had a real EMT license. Essential in a riot situation. As a jr volunteer firefighter he knew how to put out fires of the dumpster garbage kind that are common in riots.

    Those kids are on lists of essential workers with national guard sheriffs state police. Many doctors nurses paramedics carpenters and other construction workers who are necessary when disasters occur. They sign up for it. There’s a whole network for the medics and construction to get to the sites of forest fires hurricanes tornadoes floods etc. Something like the Red Cross. Where do you think all those boats and rescuers come from when the mighty Mississippi Missouri floods ? Or the medics medical supplies and field hospitals come from? Who drives and unloads the trucks. It’s all organized with personnel included the volunteers who signed up long before the current emergency

    The MEN OF UNZ the MEN OF UNZ if they don’t know about something it doesn’t exist. And no woman could possibly know about essential public safety workers and how emergencies and disasters are planned for so the workers and their supplies can get to the site as quickly as possible. You have no idea of what teen boys are capable of.

  339. JMcG says:
    @Alden

    Pinochet in Chile was pretty good as well. Greece after the war beat the commies. The Brits helped Malaya stay commie-free in the fifties.

  340. @Paperback Writer

    The antifag admitted in court, under oath, that he did not have a valid concealed carry permit — which is hardly surprising given his extensive criminal history.

    Whatever lies he told on Twitter are entirely irrelevant.

  341. JimDandy says:
    @Alden

    Aw, is Lil Mr. Reductive throwing a little hissy fit because I pointed out how full of crap he is? I’ll bet you’ve never even been to The Bristol Renaissance Faire, HAVE YOU?!!!!!!!! You got a problem with anything I said, we can meet behind The Brat Stop and settle it like MEN OF UNZ!

    PS BTW, Scott Walker, Paul Ryan, Ron Johnson and a bunch of others are REALLY pissed at you right now.

  342. JimDandy says:
    @Alden

    I don’t know that he is, and I seriously doubt that he is, but I wouldn’t support him any less if I found out he is.

  343. @That Would Be Telling

    I hope the kid doesn’t join the military of this shithole.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  344. Did the mods fall asleep?

    What’s up with:
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  345. @Jim Christian

    I hope the kid doesn’t join the military of this shithole.

    Well, yes, I’m just pointing out he survived what was essentially an infantry action, and did it legally, to the extent that technicality matters any more, and this is almost certainly related to the raw IQ he brought to the battle.

  346. Corvinus says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    That’s very easy for you to say coming from the confines of your palatial estate in Virginia. Until you take direction yourself, you’re all bark. But I get it. It’s easier to say “America is dead”, then use that false premise as cover to justify your unwillingness to protect her.

  347. Hibernian says:
    @Alden

    And as soon as a few Catholic Churches were built they were full.

    Mainly with Irish immigrants, including John Henry Newman’s parishioners.

  348. Hibernian says:
    @Veteran Aryan

    Nothing in the verses you quote above supports the Protestant view. There are other portions of Scripture which seem to.

  349. Wielgus says:
    @FPD72

    More did not change when times were changing – some of his persecution of Protestants took place when Henry VIII was beginning to turn against Rome, and Marius, a critical biographer, sees this as evidence of his “mettle” as it was no longer a certainty that the king approved of persecutions. The Duke of Norfolk, who had been a friend but presided at his trial, was more typical of the Catholic conservative faction in his behaviour than More.
    Henry VIII left England marooned somewhere between Catholicism and Protestantism and on one day in 1540, three priests were drawn and quartered for defending Papal supremacy and three Protestants were burned at the stake. One of each was attached to three hurdles dragging them to the place of execution. In this climate, anyone with any deep religious convictions risked death. What goes around comes around – but people at this time thought in terms of fortune’s wheel – you might be on top for a time but not necessarily forever.

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