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From the New York Times:
It’s Not Just Poor White People Driving a Decline in Life Expectancy
A new study shows that death rates increased for middle-aged people of all racial and ethnic groups.
By Gina Kolata and Sabrina Tavernise
Nov. 26, 2019As the life expectancy of Americans has declined over a period of three years — a drop driven by higher death rates among people in the prime of life — the focus has been on the plight of white Americans in rural areas who were dying from so-called deaths of despair: drug overdoses, alcoholism and suicide.
But a new analysis of more than a half-century of federal mortality data, published on Tuesday in JAMA, found that the increased death rates among people in midlife extended to all racial and ethnic groups, and to suburbs and cities. And while suicides, drug overdoses and alcoholism were the main causes, other medical conditions, including heart disease, strokes and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, also contributed, the authors reported.
Fortunately, @UnsilencedSci tweeted out the most important graph from this paywalled study:
Could the similarity of overdose death rates between whites and Native Americans make methamphetamine an inadequate explanation for much higher NA mortality rates? Perhaps deaths related to meth are not always classified as such. pic.twitter.com/cne2Vsb7Io
— Unsilenced Science (@UnsilencedSci) November 30, 2019
The worsening death rate among age 25-64 year old American Indians in this century is horrible — up about 30% from eyeballing the graph — and nobody seems to be talking about it. Unsilenced Science has also been tweeting about the collapse in Native American SAT/ACT scores:
I converted all SAT averages to the current scale, going back to 1941.
The biggest lesson I take is don’t discount environmental factors, like the #MethEpidemic affecting #NativeAmericans.#NativeAmericanCrisis#MethWeAreOnIt @KristiNoem @govkristinoem @realDonaldTrump pic.twitter.com/5bOCWw88hN
— Unsilenced Science (@UnsilencedSci) November 24, 2019
Meth appears to be the single biggest problem of American Indians in this century, with Mexican cartels targeting reservations as places, due to their complicated legal status, where they can operate with impunity.
But there may be more going on — Indians have dropped off the radar of the mainstream media, with the other kind of Indians now taking up more space in the brain. For instance, this NYT article doesn’t mention Native Americans.
After falling dramatically from the ending of the crack and AIDS epidemics, the black mortality rate turned upwards in 2015, likely due to the Ferguson Effect of blacks celebrating the triumphs of Black Lives Matter by shooting each other more. Lately, blacks seem to be dying of opioids like fentanyl. (The Mexican cartels avoided retailing heroin in cities with lots of black gangs due a feeling that shootings were bad for business, the initially concentrating on quiet flyover places like southern Ohio. By the way, Mexican cartels differ strikingly in how they behave in Mexico versus the US.)
Hispanic and Asian mortality also turned up, but by 2017 looked likely to renew their long term downward trends.
White mortality has been growing since the Great Recession petered out, although it is likely bifurcating by class. My vague impression is that working class whites are following the tragic trajectory of American Indians.
There’s one you can just calculate, Steve. It looks like an increase of 15 per 100,000 from ’15 to ’17, which is 0.015%. For 40,000,o00 black people, that’s about 6,000 people extra dead. You’ve given numbers for the Ferguson effect for some of the big cities. It probably carried over to most inner cities. Does that sound in the ballpark, 6,000 per year?
(Yes, of course there could. be competing effects.)
Come to think of it, 5 seconds after I mashed “Publish”, I noted U.S.’s 2nd graph in his tweets. That age-adjusted mortality rate due to unintentional drug OD could account for the whole small change – looks like right at 14. At the same time, extreme obesity, with the diseases due to it, does not look to be getting any better.
Unsilenced Science has also been tweeting about the collapse in Native American SAT/ACT scores: … Meth appears to be the single biggest problem of American Indians in this century, …
In 2011, a long-term study found that children who scored high on IQ tests in the 1970s were more likely to become drug addicts later on in life.
My vague impression is that working class whites are following the trajectory of American Indians.
Oh? — how “vague”? — and how do you feel about that and the likely reasons for it?
Actually, since plenty of data (Rising morbidity and mortality in midlife among white non-Hispanic Americans in the 21st century) shows that Whites — presumably mostly “working class whites” — are disproportionately dying younger, eg as a result of opioid abuse (and other socioeconomic factors), there is nothing really all that “vague” about the similar ‘trajectories’.
Scroll down thru the thread — the woman goes on and on and on …
All month on PBS has been all Indian(feather) all the time. Do they have a month? Not a word about meth or test scores.
I went to rehab where my fellow clients were overwhelmingly prole whites. One other person had a college degree and there were two black women, one ghetto and one not.
A common answer as to who did drugs at their places of work (forklift driver at the port, construction foreman, casino worker) was “everyone.” They weren’t being hyperbolic. One guy was from a real out of the way trailer park town. “Everyone” was also his answer as to who did drugs in his hometown.
And I’m talking about meth or opiates, not just weed of course. It was a big issue for the counselor telling us to avoid triggering “people, places, and things” because it wasn’t like they had one friend who was a bad influence, it was the open and ubiquitous culture at the jobs they needed, eg. To say nothing of their friends and family members.
From my experience in the rooms xanax is a much bigger problem than I realized. It is super dangerous but way easier to get than painkillers these days (on that note, a high school kid was in for heroin and said it was super common; when I was in high school, heroin would have been seen as sketchy even by the kids who did pills, but the pills seemed to have been shut down to an extent so heroin is cheaper and more readily available).
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I’m amazed that the obesity epidemic hasn’t registered more, on our mortality statistics. A testament to improving medicines for diabetes and hypertension?
It really seems like 400 lb is the new 300 lb.
It’s true the societal malaise goes beyond just those old stock living in looted-America.
It also effects urban whites. They just pretend to themselves that everything is fine and fight to make sure all the bad feelings are kept at bay.
Gina
and Sabrina:
Nothing to see here folks.
Steve, where’s the study on who keeps the lights on and the toilets flushing? These folks who celebrate the end of the White working/Blue collar classes intend to take up a trade? The roads? The grid? Construction, electricians, who do they think keeps the things that make their lives comfortable running? Cops? The military? Kill off all the White folks, enfeeble the White boys, there will be no one.
Does any of that figure in their morbid feel-good calculations?
while suicides, drug overdoses and alcoholism were the main causes
That makes no sense. To explain a change in death rates you’d need to look at changes in suicides, drugs and booze – it’s no use simply listing them as a problem. Another possibility is that that’s what the writers meant and they are just poor writers.
Anyway, in Britain there have been signs that the rate of increase in life expectancy has been falling, so perhaps all-American explanations aren’t the thing to look for. In how many other advanced countries are there signs of the problem?
Why do Africans of America think that Hitler gave a damn about Africans? In his time, Africans were a problem only for Sub-Saharan Africa and its extension, United States.
LOL!
If only someone had told the head of the Indian Affairs Committee. I’m sure Congress would have done something about it.
http://www.ncai.org/news/articles/2018/08/26/the-former-chairman-of-senate-committee-on-indian-affairs-senator-john-mccain-of-arizona-passes-on
(The Mexican cartels avoided retailing heroin in cities with lots of black gangs due a feeling that shootings were bad for business, the initially concentrating on quiet flyover places like southern Ohio. By the way, Mexican cartels differ strikingly in how they behave in Mexico versus the US.)
Latin American organized crime is very aggressive in their home countries. Police and politicians are killed and violence is very public. As you point out Steve, in the United States Mexican organized crime avoids confrontation. Do you think that this could change as Latinos make up a more of the population ?
You were prescient the other day in comparing whites to American Indians( as they prefer to be called.) they don’t matter to the left because their numbers are small. The goal of the NYT & co is to get our numbers small.
NYT:
Me: Stop! Stop! Please! My sides!
Native reservations are really one of the weirder aspects of american local government (and I always state that anglo governance is very weird)
A major reform would do the trick, but it would be a gargantuan step on muh holy sacred states rights (despite 100% of them being completely dysfunctional if they were to gain any extra rights or god forbid independence). A more Russian-style federalism with more autonomy might do the trick for the USA.
But irrelevant, it all demonstrates a much bigger issue: this means the total and utter cultural collapse, civilization death. At this point America either dies of gets Sulla’d into a new but more totalitarian version
Meth is the biggest problem on the res but only because it is more destructive socially than any other drug. Alcoholism is more common but nothing beats meth for sheer corrosive destruction.
The real problem of the current res is not the poverty but that people have enough money to buy new vehicles, get supremely drunk or high, and crash into others. They have enough wherewithal to purchase the cheaper drugs that y are available now, a culture that supports criminogenic and addictive thinking and behavior. Their response is blunted by reflexive anti-white animus.
Unless it’s money, they want nothing that mainstream culture offers unless it’s anti-white, and destructive. There are a few bits and pieces of the various cultures that are preserved enough to use and functional in our modern society but not enough. It’s a jigsaw puzzle with a minimum of 90% of the pieces missing.
And the money is corrosive, a bittersweet pill that is full of barbs. Sure, they desire the money but it is like the freedom that was offered to former colonies. Most of those colonies would never have been able to earn their own freedom. They know it so they invent a mythology where they did have that power. The Indians know they could never take the resources from the feds regardless of what the treaties say.
But for their own self esteem they need a different mythology where the money is somehow earned or due which makes the money even more of a barbed pill. Doesn’t help that the res is uniquely corrupt, poorly managed, and an anti social place in general. The miracle is that most of the people still have good hearts despite all that. I’ve moved back after some years away and while I saw the oppression as a kid I now also see the corrosion, and not just because there’s more of it.
Having worked on two reservations it really is a matter of you having to be there to know exactly what the hell it’s like. There’s a lot of people who watched Longmire and Wind River and think that gives an accurate portrait, but it doesn’t touch the surface.
The entire obesity epidemic mentioned is another huge driver that is also getting nailed by idpol science in that you have HAES (health at every size) advocates being taken seriously when they say being 400lbs can be healthy for the general public. It’s barely healthy for powerlifters who squat a ton, yet you have people claiming a 5′ woman can weigh 400 lbs and as long as she’s “active” its okay.
Again, the government is complicit in the obesity epidemic as it was the opioid epidemic. Eat a loaf of bread a day. Red meat and eggs will kill you. All cholesterol is bad. Whole milk is bad.
Oh wait Weimericans eat too many carbs. Oh wait the science around fats and red meat was fabricated out of whole cloth by a “scientist” with an agenda. Oh wait we forgot as biologists that every cell wall has a cholesterol layer that it needs to replenish so maybe cholesterol isn’t that bad.
Be weak. Eat bugs. Live in the pod. Is it a wonder that people reject modern society?
Tiffany, will she be the next Jussie Smolet? Her story is pure bull.
Native Americans: my limited understanding is that they’ve substituted meth for alcohol as part of this die-off.
With great fanfare, the alcohol stores next to the Pine Ridge Indian reservation were closed in 2017. I haven’t heard much about the effects, but a few searches point to bootleggers and meth filling the void.
That’s too bad. Historically, Gina Kolata was one of the more level-headed reporters at the New York Times.
Re: Newsweek article
I’m currently reading a pretty interesting book, A Savage Order, by Rachel Kleinfeld, about why some countries like Brazil and Mexico without strictly defined “wars” are extremely violent. She argues that it isn’t just purely Hobbesian lack of state capacity, but rather/additionally that some governments find it useful to work with and tolerate criminal enterprises. (E.g., in Mexico the DFS intelligence agency was closely tied to drug cartels.)
“Mexican cartels differ strikingly in how they behave in Mexico versus the US”
One Mexican cartel in particular behaved pretty badly in both Mexico and US in Rambo: Last Blood.
The bigger picture is that narcotic abuse has weaved itself into the very warp and weft of everyday workaday American life into becoming ‘the norm’, more or less in the way that the abuse of whiskey has been a fact of everyday life in Ireland for centuries.
Not quite Hogarth’s Gin Lane, but getting there.
Maybe the reservations have discovered old Lou Reed songs?
Has anyone studied the apparent explosion in Autoimmune Disease over the past 50 years contributing to the White Death? I’m sure long-term use of antibiotics and other hygiene hypothesis issues have contributed. Autoimmune diseases are also a cause of initial pain med use and gateway to opioid, heroin and alcohol abuse.
White People have lived in cleaner Western societies and abuses antibiotics for a century now and may have a higher genetic load for autoimmune issues anyway. They’ve also had exposure to Western medicine for a longer period in general.
Worth contemplating.
Unfortunately for Native Americans, they’ve been defeated by Mexicans in the intersectionality knockout phase due to a confluence of factors including Trump, Democrats taking money from the cartels, Carlos Slim and the fact that there’s no Oglala Sioux restaurant at the mall selling you turbocharged margaritas. And now to add insult to injury we have AWFLs running for President stealing Indian culture.
Also kudos to Sailer for reading “Dreamland” which really is the go-to manual on cartel strategies and tactics.
‘My vague impression is that working class whites are following the tragic trajectory of American Indians.’
Maybe it’s because now we’re being stripped of our homeland?
You know, there was a lesson in the fate of the Indians. We just failed to learn it.
I doubt Tiffany Cross could identify “nazi type garb” if Hugo Boss was helping her!
And of course they’re right: when the whale beaches himself, the barnacles and lice are not better off.
I think the important part is “coming home from working out on thanksgiving morning”.
The part about the “Nazi type garb” (are we talking, SA brownshirts, SS Grand Uniform, German Flecktarn, what??) is rather improbable.
Well, could have been Marines on a morning stroll.
“Schnell, Hans!”
(BTW, YouTube has de-nazified the Monty Python video on Hilter in Minehead, LOL)
I would think a reservation would be more open to “Shoot, Shovel and Shut Up” action than the dealer-protecting “outside”?
Fukushima bathed the US in a lovely shower of radiation back when. And still sends clouds of it wafting up from the western beaches every day.
You won’t mention this, however, because you are all so stupid you are pro-nuclear.
When someone dies in middle age because of drug addictions, that’s their own fault. It was their choice to take these things, and they’ve decided they’d rather be an addict than someone who lives a normal life. That’s their personal choice.
How do these people tend to vote? Democrat. Even if they’re conservative on every other issue, they keep voting Democratic because they want to legalize drugs, and they want softer drug-use laws so they won’t end up in jail. This means they keep putting the Corrupt Party in office. The Corrupt Party of course, produces malignant idiots like Schiff, Nadler, Pelosi, and AOC, who are trying to keep the Democrats in charge forever by relentless immigration, and who constantly attack all the achievements of white culture. They think it’s awful that blacks are prosecuted for crimes, and they do their utmost to keep them out of prison.
Drug users are ENABLING our immigration crisis, and they are ENABLING the Democrats. The Democrats in turn, enable black crime and attacks on white values. Do you people get the connection here?
These people are a waste of space. Let them die. Get them out of our country. We would be much better off without them. If anything, we’d be better off if we flooded this country with fentanyl. If we had 10 million fentanyl deaths in 1 year, we’d rescue conservatism and white civilization.
You’re assuming a great deal of agency there.
If you like Gina Kolatas, and getting caught in the rain
If you’re not into yoga, if you have half a brain…
(I just got caught in the hail. Where’s this global warming everybody promised?)
Rheinlandbastard.
Lots of ink in Montana too. Long tearjerkers about meth and Missing Indigenous in the papers..very boring. I did taxes for a lot of Indians and there’s nothing the govt or tribes won’t do for them. E.g. lots of free money for UM if they want it and can stay in school.
The men esp seem kind of dim and go to work instead – tax credits and minority points for owners, until the guy gets hurt or goes back to the rez to sulk.
Anyway, I don’t know what I’m supposed to do. They’re Sovereign Nations you know and don’t want white man’s help, until they do.
Opioids have proven incredibly effective for slowly euthanizing the short-term losers of globalism and outsourcing.
Wonder what they’ll come up to get rid of the dwindling middle class in the near future?
Maybe they were businessmen wearing Hugo Boss designer suits, and Hugo Boss supplied those spiffy looking SS uniforms, therefore they were wearing “Nazi type garb”.
Someone here pointed out the language of social “inequality” was undergoing a transition to social “inequity”.
And so it begins.
Public libraries see late fees as “social inequities”, removing them:
https://www.npr.org/2019/11/30/781374759/we-wanted-our-patrons-back-public-libraries-scrap-late-fines-to-alleviate-inequi
Do editors go to conferences to learn the hot new buzzwords to push or is it more a game of darwinistic opportunism?
The biggest drop is in “No response”. What does that mean? Fewer students collapsing during the test from Friday-night cramming? Are they taking uppers now?
What are the mortality rates and test score trajectories among Vague-Americans these days?
Do the Cherokee hold spelling bees?
I’ve noticed this too. I really don’t understand. It’s not like these guys are having to deal with stupid foreigners all day. They have blue collar jobs with other white guys. They’re around “their people”. Yet they all choose to do drugs.
We can blame other factors but clearly the rot is starting from our own households and our own communities. The drug crisis baffles me; I have never had an interest in being “fucked up”; and the one time I was on mild opioids for pain I felt no high and had no interest in taking them again.
Just baffles my mind, man. Drive the forklift, shoot the shit with collegues, then go home, fuck your wife, go on UNZ, go hiking, go to the bar and have a few drinks… whatever you do. Honestly life is not that bad without drugs. Something really severe is happening with whites and I’m at a loss.
No we aren’t all that worried because we White people invented modern science, technology and medicine and therefore we can understand the physics and biology involved, measure the radiation, and know that the levels in US air and water are too trivial to be a health threat.
Don’t worry though, you can continue to enjoy the benefits of our advancements without having to understand how they work. After all, what the hell, even millions of Whites don’t understand it.
Indeed.
It sounds better in metric: 181 kg.
Even better, 28 stone, eight.
There’s the incentive for converting!
However, Walter Hudson, Jr would be 66 lb on the lunar surface– assuming NASA could get him off the ground to begin with. He’d still consist of 181 kg, because that’s mass.
Obesity per se doesn’t kill you. It’s a co-factor of many other health problems, it’s bad for you, your joints, your respiratory system (hard to get out and move a bulky body), but in and of itself it doesn’t kill you.
One of the more interesting findings in recent years is that obesity doesn’t cause diabetes. Fat on the viscera does, and although the obese are more likely to have this, it ain’t necessarily so, and thin people can have it.
Look up the work of Dr. Roy Taylor of Newcastle university for details.
What is dangerous about Xanax? You mean it’s easier to OD on it?
I am a member of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma.
I am almost all white, but still a tribal member.
I have tried to convince white Americans that I have seen this movie before, and it can end very badly for Americans of all colors.
But, then someone says their ancestor way back when was an immigrant so we must have more immigrants.
We are doomed.
Nonwhites have a higher rate of autoimmune disorders than whites.
Or 1.08 barrels.
A white anti-drug charity would be a good idea. Of course the SPLC would call it a hate group, even if all thy did was badmitton and anti drug talks.
Tucker Carlson on his Fox nightly program is about the only one regularly talking about this mortality crisis among the middle and lower classes. Mainly due to drugs it seems (newest thing, alcohol still kills more as always).
He makes a good point that the politicos don’t ever mention this in campaigning (not the Dems anyway). Carlson makes a solid point about how politicos basically ignore problems that hurt real Americans to focus on imaginary crimes or “problems’ affecting illegal immigrants.
Hard drugs? Legalize, regulate and mandatory treatment for addicts whose behavior creates social havoc or dependency. I.e. homeless, etc. The dosage can be regulated to minimize deaths (hopefully) and excise taxes levied to pay for enforcement (age, dosages, user cards) and free rehab treatment (or nearly so). Keep costs below profitable illegal market costs.
Cartels would largely go bust when smuggling isn’t profitable. Alcohol is still the main death drug but since WWII social mores and medical treatments, and strict DUI enforcement have all made the “happy drunk” a lost stereotype. Try to get people off those Death Roads. If they remain, try to limit the damage they cause to others, especially children. Right now prohibition fails and harm limitation is barely tried.
Hitler’s actual policy regarding sub-Saharan Africans was to embrace them, as a way to make trouble for the Allies, who were still colonial powers. Ditto Indians, a noisy minority of whom thought “maybe this can work out well.” What would this airhead think if she saw people in old British uniforms?
But that’s not the important thing, the important thing is that she is clearly screamingly lying.
The current continental US will break up into several polities. It is not if, it’s when and how, who gets the nukes, and who controls which pieces.
One or more of those pieces will be effectively white only, and one or more will be effectively a Jewish state unless the real bible people are right and all Jews go to the current garrison state on the Jordan. If I were younger I’d get involved with a now perfectly legal effort such as the Conch Republic in the Keys to build a shadow government under the guise of a humorous social or fraternal order. Call it the Chowder Society, a lawn tractor collector’s club, or a motorcycle club. Doesn’t matter.
I seem to remember that one outfit established their club into, I don’t remember, maybe thirteen regions of their country. When things changed, those regions already had the infrastructure and layout and the little beer quaffing goose stepping club became the governing Party with the chapter presidents effectively the new state governors.
The key is that the club is one hundred percent legal, and in fact has one clearly humorous, even nutty but harmless aspect which would make the State look foppish for busting them…..until they ARE the law and pretense can be dropped.
This kind of organizing should be considered equally important as learning to use a shovel and a rifle.
Like Mike Tyson, there is only one thing that can bring down the biggest and most evil empire the earth has ever seen with its gigatonnage of nukes and it’s even bigger printing press. That’s it’s own weight and decay and decrepitude. Who is ready to fill the vacuum when it implodes wins.
“Mrs Krebapple, I saw 2. SS-Panzerdivision (‘Das Reich’) on the sidewalk, and they were making babies, and I saw the babies, and the babies looked at me. But my camera, it jammed.”
OT: It looks we can add Illinois lawmakers to the list of stealth iSteve readers:
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/michigan-illinois-set-usher-recreational-140853350.html
They were told that their friend the atom is too clean to meter.
Whites need to go on the offense. All the African and the Liberal Media talks about is White mass shootings, some rando saying the N word, and painting a unrepresentative picture.
So everyone ends up thinking due to the media, not unreasonably, that White people are the problem with America.
Steve Sailer and the Alt Right are too citizenist for my liking, they need to point out more of the negative aspects of Africans, and the negative aspects of the Media more often.
Yes, there seems to be a real breakdown of any social pressure towards “repectability” within the working classes since the introduction of cannabis on a wide scale.
The Beatles had never encountered cannabis before they were introduced to it by Bob Dylan in 1964, though they had reputedly used amphetamines to keep up their energy when performing in Hamburg before they were famous. So it is fair to assume that no one else had in England, at that time, and probably not many in the US outside of jazz musicians and avante garde artists. (Louis Armstrong was a notorious long term pot smoker.)
At that time abortion was illegal, homosexuality was illegal, it was illegal to try to commit suicide, there were shotgun weddings when a girl was pregnant and “had to get married” to preserve respectability, divorce was rare, the birth control pill was only recently available (December 4th, 1961 in the UK) and TV was only in black and white.
With a relatively short period of time cannabis/hashish usage rocketed, and along came other recreational drugs such as LSD, cocaine, heroin, and ecstasy and all the social factors mentioned above were legislated out of existence or changed. Single mothers were now able to obtain government housing and benefits originally intended for World War II widows. In periods of unemployment cash benefits could be supplemented with drug dealing and use.
The whole notion of “respectability” was out the window, and it has remained the same on both sides of the Atlantic, except perhaps within the evangelical christian community which has fought a rearguard action largely centered on the issue of abortion.
Perhaps it has always been that way, but we just didn’t realize it in the post World War II years due to lack of pervasive mass media. Certainly in London of the eighteenth century gin was the oxycontin of the day, killing huge numbers of people and deforming babies, and was drunk by large numbers of children, and was the subject of legislation by Parliament on no less than five occasions.
The problems of alcohol abuse seem to have led to the rise of Methodism and the religious revivals of the 1840’s which changed the mores of many mining communities, but by 1960 the fires of Methodism seemed to have burned out, and it is not a factor today. In the US Prohibition was tried in the early 20th century, but turned out to be unworkable and caused a huge loss in potential tax revenue. On repeal, alcohol laws were devolved to the states.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respectability_politics
OT: Warren is back in third place in latest Quinnipiac poll. She dropped from 24% to 14%.
Apparently, when the upper middle class Dem voters took a hard look at her, they thought, my money is going to vanish, and they decided corrupt Biden was better for their personal finances. There’s no way white upper middles would have come out well under Warren’s radical economic plan. She would have taxed the heck out of them.
For Dem candidates, it all comes down to how big a bite of the apple to take in taxes. Too big, and the coalition of the fringes comes apart if various segments think they’ll lose out. The lib upper middles hate it when Democrats propose stealing their money.
Biden’s new campaign slogan: Senile But Not Crazy!
Even that? In Washington D.C.?
Nope.
“Steve Sailer promised us that if we kept at it we’d be considered pretty one day. Well?”
The cartels would not “go bust”. This tells me you’re a retarded lolbertarian who just wants his cummies no matter what.
Legalizing pot didn’t stop the cartels from running grow ops in CA and killing a deputy a few weeks ago. Yet I see this retarded line from midwits all the time?
You know what would fix the drug war? Summary executions of narcotics dealers, on the spot. There’d be a lot less tears in the end. It’s a lot less ridiculous than believing legalizing meth is going to have a benefit.
Systemic inequities. Pass it on!
The classic Wikipedia answer: no answer.
More people than before started taking drugs and breaking with traditional morality in general in the late 50s because elites decided it was in their best interest that their inferiors do so. It helps keep us down.
A much clearer and obviouser solution than some vague, unfalsifiable, universalized, blameless, magical, inexplicable “decay of respectability.”
Now yer talkin’. Final point applies to the USA too.
My old hometown’s newspaper has its obituaries online and without a paywall. Every so often I look through them to see if there are any familiar names. Call me cynical, but whenever I see an obituary for someone under 45 or so who died “suddenly” or “unexpectedly” I immediately assume “overdose.” I will note that there is no shortage of these.
On an unrelated note, in the majority of obits the person died “surrounded by his/her family.” Sorry, I don’t believe it most of the time, especially for old people in nursing homes.
It’s a pig disgusting benzo.
Stay away from that shit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzodiazepine#Adverse_effects
Doctors nowadays prescribe these like candy.
Maybe it’s like Soma from Brave New World for some, but I once had to take Valium as pain relief. After a few days I thought I was going psychotic.
An interesting plot:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzodiazepine#/media/File:Rational_harm_assessment_of_drugs_radar_plot.svg
OT: Where does BDW fit in the oft-discussed WWT hierarchy (would have pegged him as a High T Male in his Lando years).
https://www.out.com/celebs/2019/11/30/star-wars-billy-dee-williams-comes-out-gender-fluid
Oh really.
Whenever I hear lovely shower of radiation” without any qualification (like, doses, isotopes, comparison to background levels etc.), I know there is a problem person who FEARS NUCULAR!
Probably fears “5G emissions” too.
And how. We could use a lot more reactors.
So, London had another Part and Parcel, and it was stopped by a Polish rugby-playing man who happened to be holding an unlicensed narwhal tusk, being just on his way to travel back to the mid-sixties to teach Chuck Norris the Alexander Technique.
Thing is, British social media in the aftermath is full of “influencers” arguing that this proves that open borders is a good idea. Sure, you get your Muslim terrorists, who were known to be terrorists, and had actually been safely locked up until a judge of a certain religio-ethnic background insisted on freeing them early, but for every terrorist you also get a Polack with whale parts. In other words, this is actually stupider than sending needle snakes after tree frogs.
Also floating around the aether: skeptics who think this was staged to influence the upcoming election. I do think the assassination during Brexit was contrived, that the British Deep State actually had a low-level government officeholder murdered to scare a result they still failed to get, because the whole story is unbelievable gibberish (the best part being a known criminal getting his hands on a gun in London and walking around with it on an election day). But then again maybe London is just a preposterously unsafe city with no meaningful police force. I find Muslim terrorists in the current milieu to be much easier to believe than random well-equipped criminals but I could be biased. I don’t see how any of this necessarily helps Boris (whereas the other story, like the less serious of the school shootings and hate hoaxes, just happens to perfectly fit the straw men of bitter white males) but it is egregious that this guy was locked up and some do-gooder — excuse me, some do-gudnik judge — insists on letting him out.
Next step: licensing and then banning for whale parts, and letting in more “refugees.”
This makes me sad.
Oh, Cartels will start to take over in the US. Its a fantasy to assume that the violence in places like Michoacan and other Mexican Provinces will stay there when half their inhabitants are in the US.
What is to stop a Cartel from taking over Downtown LA, shooting police officers and their families, and using military vehicles to stage breakouts of prisoners in jail, etc?
Indeed what is to stop a Cartel (they already fight over AVOCADOS in Mexico, not just drugs) from deciding everyone in California owes them money and start to collect on that? Its not as if they lack manpower, money, and lots of weapons.
At a certain point, the Visigoths figured they were going to run the Empire. Not Romans. Same here — at a certain point the Cartels will be running most of the US. Really there is no will, no manpower, no legal way a judge would even allow crushing them.
Recall the Supreme Court held that foreign combatants in foreign wars have US Constitutional rights to counsel, legal proceedings, etc. If Cartels take over we can’t just crush them. Judges have to oversee everything.
When will this be expanded to include all SNAP (LINK card aka “food stamps”) users?
When they wrote the Cherokee language was there a reason they just couldn’t use the Latin or Greek (which every educated person then knew at least somewhat) alphabet?
The Cherokee alphabet at least superficially looks like the Deseret Alphabet, does it not? Maybe they were white and delitesome according to the Word of Wisdom.
I worked in a small town in Illinois for a while and it’s amazing how many of the guys I worked with have come up as obits in the local paper’s web site. Some of them were younger than me. Cancer and heart disease usually.
Data?
A few months ago, I was driving in the Chicago suburbs, listening to new radio. Apparently a group of black Aldermen in Chicago were blocking a bill to allow shops to sell legal marijuana in Chicago because there were few, if any, black owned companies.
I thought of Steve’s proposal.
How much? What kind? Can you quantify that? Or are you just bringing up things about which you know nothing. You know, like a stupid person would do.
My mother lives in a retirement community. There are medical facilities there, so even blue collar workers have to pass drug tests to work there.
It seems they have a huge problem finding anyone who can pass a drug test.
One time as part of a drug test I had to take a breathalyzer. It was about 9 AM, and I knew the test was coming. The only way to fail that part of the test would be to come in drunk for a drug test. Apparently that happens.
There are two of them.
What % Cherokee do you have to be to be a tribal member? Do you have to be as Cherokee as I am Polish to be a member? (25%)
“By the way, Mexican cartels differ strikingly in how they behave in Mexico versus the US.”
How so?
No, there is one party, The Corrupt Party. It has two wings in order to fool the rubes.
Stupid question, nevermind!
There is no lower limit.
There is at least one tribal member who is 1/1024.
The introduction’s epigraph:
Remarkable how many people (mostly women) bought her outlandish assertion without question.
Of course, what inquiring minds really want to know is: did these white supremecists want to touch her hair?
Re:London Bridge Terrorist Attack
A Polish chef working in London named Łukasz was one of the heroes in
the London Bridge terrorist attack. He was the one wielding a narwhal
tusk which he used to pin the terrorist down despite being stabbed in the
hand.
You can always count on Polonians in situations demanding bravery
From the Charlottesville imbroglio I learned that “nazi type garb” was a white polo shirt and khakis.
Yes but one of the Islamic stabber’s victims, David Merritt, was one of those do-gooder types. Big loss.
From the linked Daily Mail article:
“Mr Merritt’s father David said in a tweet that his son ‘would not wish his death to be used as the pretext for more draconian sentences or for detaining people unnecessarily’.
‘R.I.P. Jack: you were a beautiful spirit who always took the side of the underdog.’
He also said his son had been a ‘champion’ for those who had been ‘dealt a losing hand by life, who ended up in the prison system’.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7741575/London-Bridge-terror-attack-victim-named-ordinator-rehabilitation-conference.html
Molly Tibbets all over again.
I saw the cover to his dissertation: “on the over-representation of nonwhites in British prisons.” If only that was true.
Had it been done right it would have been. At least for residential customers.
“They”? Sequoyah (ᏍᏏᏉᏯ) was illiterate, but impressed by the white man’s writing. He was flying by the seat of his deerskins, so to speak. His script is a syllabary, not an alphabet, similar to hiragana and katakana in Japanese.
He borrowed Roman letters without regard for their phonemes in English. So there will be a number of “false friends”.
Actually, his original script was more, well, original, but made typesetting difficult. So some characters were adapted for that purpose:
Team exploring linguistic legacy of Cherokee documents at Beinecke
He’s like the Indian mathematician Ramanujan. Whatever you think of his people in general, you have to marvel at the individual’s achievement.
Fair enough. Just didn’t know. I know Cherokee Nation members, but just never thought to ask.
I don’t have anything against Cherokees in specific, nor against Indians, feather or dot, of course most feather-Indians are not all that Indian any more. The ones on the rez tend to have issues but that doesn’t mean I wish them badly, the more successful ones tend to leave of course.
Really, the Cherokees and the other of the “civilized tribes” were remarkably successful in adapting to the white man’s ways, perhaps too successful, which is why they were sent to Oklahoma. Other tribes didn’t do as well. Simpson Electric, the manufacturer of the still legendary Simpson 260 VOM, is owned and largely staffed by a specific tribe of Indians and they do a fine job.
“False friends” are the biggest problem in reading Cyrillic for most westerners. Their B is our V, their C is our S, and several others look like what they aren’t.
We used to have an eatery out here called “My Big Fat GrΣΣk Restaurant”, which I figured had to be pronounced “Grssssk”, no? Kind of like pronouncing the umlaut in the names of heavy metal umlaut bands. And we won’t get into using the capital Greek beta for the eszett in German, either.
She saw two white guys walking down the street. If they had crew cuts that qualifed as nazi garb. Liar, slanderer, propagandist.
The demographic that should be most concerned about rising White death rates are American Blacks, because, in the long run, without a guilty White majority to provide Gibs and excuses, they are f***ed.
Xanax almost killed my daughter. While she was addicted to heroin, a psychiatrist prescribed her Xanax. Being an addict, she did not take the medication responsibly, but took it “as needed” and ran out before her prescription could be refilled. Suddenly going cold turkey from the Xanax caused her to have a seizure that put her in the hospital. This is a not uncommon result of stopping a benzo suddenly. The doctors were appalled that a psychiatrist would prescribe Xanax to a heroin addict.
Anyway, in case anyone is interested, my daughter went through rehab, it worked, and she has been clean for four years now. A great relief after a long nightmare.
You lying scumbag trolls are right on the job, earning your quarters.
Oh, look. I just won you another quarter! You get a shiny new one for each response!
You should thank me.
God you suck.
This reads like something from National Review.
You got it.
I am a distant relative of Sequoia, BTW. I am descended from his cousin.
His father, Colonel Nathanial Guest, was white. Sequoia was a silversmith, and wanted to sign his name “George Guest”. He was told Indians couldn’t read or write. So he invented his own written language.
Not knowing about alphabets, he invented a syllaberry. It took a few days for any Cherokee speaker to pick up the written language. The Cherokee had almost universal literacy before the Trail of Tears.
Meanwhile, the sons of some Cherokee chiefs were attending school in New Haven; some married the daughters of their teachers. By the time of removal, the Cherokee were a literate people led by well educated men.
At the time of statehood in Oklahoma, most college graduates were mixed race Cherokee. Most of the remaining graduates were mixed bloods from the other Five Civilized Tribes: Creek, Choctaw, Chickasaw and Seminole. More Indians graduated from college in OK that year than the total graduates in Texas.
My brother graduated from Harvard. Not long after his graduation, someone published in the Harvard alumni magazine that the single most over represented ethnic group amongst Harvard graduates was Cherokees. I don’t know if any Asian American group has surpassed them.
Realize the college educated Cherokee were usually the descendants of the more prominent Indians and wealthier whites. My white ancestors who had intermarried with Indians had been plantation owners before the War, and the Indians they married were sons and especially daughters of chiefs.
Gina Kolata is a really good, hard-headed science writer. She’s also a genuine red diaper baby. Her parents were Ruth and Arthur Bari, American communists who were once friends of the Rosenbergs and were married in Morton Sobell’s apartment. They apparently quit the party over the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. Kolata’s younger sister Judi Bari was a prominent radical environmentalist in Earth First! during the 1990s.
Loss of religion, culture of hedonism and consumerism.
If the whole point of life is to consume, parties with 19 year old sluts and drugs are FUN.
In the working class neighborhood i grew up in many people born closest to 1970 have died from drugs overdoses.
One friend visited a couple years ago and told me he would be burying his two brothers shortly and within a couple years he did.
I asked a guy who does a better job staying in touch with the old Brighton crowd about how many people we knew have overdosed and he said he lost track a long time ago.Seems like heroin is the main finalizer but not exactly sure.
http://Www.lawrencepoints.com
Ever heard of rational argument fella? You embarass yourself with this kind of name calling.
OT
Now Kerry is ripping off Steve.
You are not a credit to the Nigerian race.
Anti White liberals figure that Hispanics can do all the necessary work. They don’t notice the difference in roads, sewers water sanitation 5 miles south of the US Mex border.
Personally, I favor Pina Colada.
gavin mcinnes had a good article on why heroin is different. he said he had over a dozen friends in his edgy and cool scene die from heroin. it’s edgy and cool, alright.
they tell you drugs are bad, but heroin directly kills, period. cocaine does not. lsd does not.
the saddest part is that heroin is most dangerous when an addict *has* quit. a lot of people won’t believe it (“I guess he was lying about getting clean”) but what they don’t understand is that recovered addicts are at the most risk because they don’t know their tolerance. They miscalculate based on what they used to use. So a lot of those stories, like the actor from glee, are probably *true* that they had quit.
Benzos and alcohol are the two withdrawals that can literally kill you. If anyone here suspects anyone they know of needing help, please be advised they need medical treatment and should not just try to quit cold turkey. It is life or death.
And a lot of people, of course, mix benzos and alcohol which can have catastrophic consequences. Xanax is available, addictive, and potentially lethal for the person who was asking above.
Opiate withdrawal is incredibly awful but won’t kill you. But it is so awful I’d advise anyone to take your loved one to rehab rather than demanding they quit cold turkey on their own. It’s too awful for most to bear knowing they have a cure with a snap of their fingers.
I’ll pray for your daughter. It is not an easy or fun journey.
I’ve wondered how much gaming income has driven this collapse. Marriage, labor force participation, and fertility all cratered among Native Americans before mortality surged.
“You know what would fix the drug war? Summary executions of narcotics dealers, on the spot”
Singapore is famous for executing drug traffickers. Taiwan does too, I think. (Or at least has capital punishment on the books for traffickers). Anyone know their drug usage rates?
Pat Buchanan offered another example in his book Suicide of a Superpower: in the early 1950s Mao was disturbed by the prevalence of opium addiction in China. He declared drug traffickers and drug users alike “social parasites” and had them executed. In two or three years there was no more mass opium addiction problem in China.
“OT: Where does BDW fit in the oft-discussed WWT hierarchy (would have pegged him as a High T Male in his Lando years).”
Fits in the “desperate for attention “ category.
“It seems they have a huge problem finding anyone who can pass a drug test.”
I occasionally browse the Peoria IL subreddit. One topic that frequently pops up is “Applied for a job-Does Company X drug test?”
It’s disgusting to me but many Millennials and Zoomers seem to value smoking weed over being productive.
The ‘Indian money’ doesn’t help. Kids don’t need to work in soome tribes. They’ve never seen a world where getting up and getting on the boat or getting in the crummy was what Dad did in the morning or even what the neighbor’s dad did.
I’m worried about my two youngest because of the corrosive effect of free money. Plus sometimes it comes only a few times a year so it’s like a winning scratcher. Booze, a newish car, and all the goodies you can get until it’s gone.
All my other kids are doing ok but my sister’s kids are going down the drain. My wife caught them drinking and smoking weed and having sex in the bathroom and my sister defended the partiers. ‘Oh they go through so much. Oh their life’s so hard’. Why because they get free money and services out the ass?
To hell with that. You make excuses and you get more of that behavior.
He’s Nigerian? Better call him Your Majesty. Every Nigerian I’ve met has claimed to be a prince.
Depends on where they are my little town went from 1500 to about 5000 in ten years nearly all gang bangers for a few years we had a murder every six months or so and a ton of suspicious suicides. I heard my friend get shot from my front porch.
Of course, you will not find those easily in news reports. I knew the names dates and where it was and one of the guys was a multiple murderer but the only place you’ll find it on Google is an alternate sex rag that makes its money on gay hookups or did until Craigslist came around.
There is a real effort to diminish the effect of Hispanic crime especially illegal crime.
prior to the introduction of mass distilling in the early 19th century whiskey in Ireland and the rest of the Isles was too expensive for common usage, restricting the peasants to cider and beer. the expense of firearms and ammunition also restricted creative expression to fists, shileleaghs and clods of peat.
What does this mean?
If they’re not conventionally beautiful, what they write is crap?
What do you look like?
Perhaps Charlize Theron should be writing for the NY Times? She’s nuts, but she is conventionally beautiful. Angelina Jolie – there’s another one for you.
Eleven shot in NOLA. Guess who may have been the shooters. 13/80.
Any safe haven will do, it makes the Natives a nice income and redistributes the loot to their community, of catering to the outside and outsiders. The Colombian cartels already made use of the reservations, and it´s actors, the American Indians have the IQ requirements for the business, and the drive to shovel and shut up.
Yes, many prayers for your precious daughter and her continuing success with recovery.
Steve said:
bomag said:
I was in a reservation town in AZ this summer, and the beggars were probably the most pathetic (physically) I’d ever seen. One of them was a young woman who was about 8 1/2 months pregnant but looked about as healthy as a stage 4 cancer patient on chemo. The drugs and substance abuse are devastating.
Channelling South Park’s Mr. Mackey:
Hmm hmm, White People: Drugs R Bad, Mmmkay. You shouldn’t do drugs.
Find better, wealth-building hobbies white people. 2nd jobs are acceptable hobbies. Buy stocks, start business, have great hobbies and friends. Make white people great again!
He’s still less annoying than Tinys Duck.
Well, I can see why they had to try hard to stop people from committing suicide.
I believe the implication here is that the ladies in question are Jewish. I don’t think it’s about whether or not they are attractive.
Separate nations.
I can live a long (hopefully) and happy (definitely) life with supporting all these parasites, much less parasitic hysterics like Tiffany.
Alcohol is a drug. [email protected]
It’s amazing how everyone runs to full scale legalization (never worked) versus execution of dealers (which does work).
Makes you think.
Just a thought– when you put the positions of the opposition to Trump together:
Stay in Syria + path to citizenship + Medicare for all =
Invade the World, Invite the World, Insure the World.
If by “being productive” you mean building another subdivision and or another mall and or another internet service etc etc, then yeah it’s not hard to understand that the younger generations today don’t value it so much as they do their time.
The Economy is destroying the fabric of society and therefore participating in it, is of dubious value.
If you were to say that “Millennials and Zoomers seem to value smoking weed
over being productiveover doing honest work (and that is a shame)” — then that would be something to agree with.But they are not being given much the option, of honest work. And yeah yeah yeah there are opportunities to bust your hump on artisan farms in Wisconsin growing turnips and garlics for room and board and 100 dollars spending money. But those options won’t work for everyone, because the Economy and its scale and how it is structured.
“being productive” for its own sake is grug level. Are you a boomer?
Social counterrevolution and the decline in US life expectancy
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/11/28/pers-n28.html
Hitler had a limited degree of respect for certain groups of non-Europeans. South Asians and especially sub-Saharan Africans weren’t among them.
The real German attempt to co-opt the Indians came during the previous war, back before the Raj entered its twilight.
There’s some sort of weird “31 ft ladder” mentality which “intellectuals” always trot out, whatever the subject, to claim that you just can’t possibly maintain standards, order.
Yet, the history of civilization is precisely the history of civilized men enforcing the social rules necessary to maintain their civilizations.
Thanks! That makes a big difference. Now it all makes sense.
His point is so well taken….
Not.
I look forward to Mr. Mike’s deconstruction of Richard Feynman’s contributions to quantum physics, rendered in Feynman diagrams. He was a Jew, so not to be trusted.
You’re welcome.
What I imagine you to look like:
They look Latina/Hispanic to me.
“The Economy is destroying the fabric of society and therefore participating in it, is of dubious value.”
The reality is that Generation Z is embracing the current economic climate, one that they can build their own platforms on social media, or create their own line of clothing, or become young entrepreneurs, whether it be in technology or in business.
https://www.bloomberg.com/gen-z