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From the New York Times:

New Zealand Wants a 90% Vaccination Rate. Its Street Gangs May Hold the Key.

The country’s leaders have set aside some misgivings and cooperated with gang leaders to reach their communities.

By Natasha Frost
Oct. 22, 2021

… Already, 86 percent of the eligible population has received at least one dose. But the final few percent are the most difficult to reach, and one group of particular concern is the gang community,

“The gang community:” that’s a new one.

many of whose members are Maori or Pacific Islanders, who make up about a quarter of the overall population. In the past two months, multiple outbreaks have been reported among gangs, a group less likely to comply with official vaccination efforts, forcing officials to cooperate with gang leaders to reach their communities.

New Zealand has one of the highest rates of gang membership in the world. There are around 8,000 gang members in the country, according to the most recent police estimates, and many suffer from urban poverty.

Gangs aren’t a cause of urban poverty, gangs are victims of urban poverty.

Counting family and associates, the size of the community might be 10 times that, in a country of five million people, said Jarrod Gilbert, a sociologist at the University of Canterbury and the author of “Patched: The History of Gangs in New Zealand.”

New Zealand’s gangs have a long history, often inspired by similar American groups. In 1961, it became the first country outside the United States to have a chapter of the Hells Angels. Beginning in the 1970s, gangs with an ethnic basis, including the majority-Maori Black Power and Mongrel Mob, became more widespread. For Maori who had moved to New Zealand’s urban centers, gangs became a critical way to find kinship away from traditional tribal structures.

More recently, Dr. Gilbert said, some have been drawn to gangs for their association with profit-driven crime, particularly the sale of drugs. New Zealand is a lucrative market for methamphetamine, and gang members have been among those caught in major police stings.

The link between gangs and organized crime, however, is not wholly straightforward, Dr. Gilbert said. “New Zealanders tend to look at the gangs with a single lens around criminality, whereas the scene is and always has been far more nuanced than that,” he said.

Gangs are nuanced, dammit!

Even within a single gang, he added, some chapters might be highly criminalized while others are more community focused.

Since the 1960s, New Zealand politicians have sought to score points by promising to crack down on gangs or by publicly criticizing them.

They publicly criticized gangs.

Attempts to engage with the gangs have tended to generate pearl-clutching headlines: A government grant of about \$2 million to a drug rehabilitation program connected to members of the Mongrel Mob was intensely criticized, including by police leaders.

Criticizing the government giving \$2 million to the Mongrel Mob mob is racist.

They aren’t just any criminals, they are mongrel criminals.

Granted, that’s not as good as being pureblood nonwhite criminals, but at least it’s better than being law-abiding whites.

 
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  1. Woah, I didn’t know New Zealand is so much like the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

    the gang community

    profit-driven crime

    The NYT really is on another level. It’ like touching the face of an Elephant God. Living in a porcelain shop in the sky.

    The Elephant God also identifies as pansexual and is BFF with Jehovah.

    • Replies: @Getaclue
    @El Dato

    NYSlimes...run by Irish isn't it?

  2. For Maori who had moved to New Zealand’s urban centers, gangs became a critical way to find kinship away from traditional tribal structures.

    Gangs are tribal structures. Maoris and Central Americans are just associating in the same way they did for thousands of years – as small tribes fighting each other. The only thing new is the graffiti.

    Anyway, I think Covid killed the horrific amount of 20 people in NZ, all of them old, so I think gangs will be fine without the vaccine.

    • Agree: Alfa158
    • Replies: @RonaldB
    @Dumbo

    Use your imagination. The gangs are going to branch out into enforcing the vaccine. The threat is, a motorcycle gang pulls up to a civilian and says "show me your vaccine passport". What happens to those who say "no".

    Replies: @Blankaerd

  3. Anon[299] • Disclaimer says:

    Maori or Pacific Islanders, who make up about a quarter of the overall population

    Translation: One quarter of the population has one quarter of a percent or more Islander ancestry.

    It’s the same as Australian aborigines. I’ve been watching streamed New Zealand television dramas, and there are a lot of actors that the internet tells me are “Maori.” Yeah, right.

    I betcha the gang members are the guys that are akshually Maori, like half or more.

    Also, the gringos in New Zealand, judging from the shows, have a habit of incessantly using little snippets of Maori language, along the lines of “Aloha” in Hawaii. And when I look up these phrases and words, the internet tells me that they are incorrect or misused or some such, in almost all cases. When will this cultural appropriation stop!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    New Zealand has a sizable indigenous Maori population and, increasingly, a non-indigenous Pacific Islander population.

    Replies: @Ed Case, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Wilkey

    , @AndrewR
    @Anon

    The Maori word for non-Maori is pākehā not gringo, you clown.

    Replies: @Bridgeport_IPA, @Gjkhhjjjkbbv

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Anon

    Celebrating Māori Leadership


    https://terauora.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/oranga-hinengar_48430966-e1603143109488.png

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    , @Clyde
    @Anon


    Also, the gringos in New Zealand, judging from the shows, have a habit of incessantly using little snippets of Maori language, along the lines of “Aloha” in Hawaii.
     
    Their rugby and soccer teams like-love to do the Maori fight dance + chanting called Haka, against the other teams. To strike fear into their hearts. (Clowns!) What an SWPL goof! What else can you expect from a nation being run into the ground by a female hypochondriac El Presidente or whatever she is. I am in the process of selling off my final countdown bunker in NZ.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnvI6V-TtLs&t=2s
  4. They aren’t just any criminals, they are mongrel criminals.

    The crime in these misunderstood mongrels is only skin deep.

    • Replies: @Joe S.Walker
    @Mr Mox

    To be fair, there are people who look like that claiming to be women.

    , @Jack Armstrong
    @Mr Mox

    https://youtu.be/FArZxLj6DLk

    Ma’or’i are tough and urban!

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Mr Mox

    Looks like someone pushed Robin Williams into a blueberry pie.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Mr Mox

    Mr.Mox, the tattoos say "look at me" and then the mongrel says "Wadda lookin at."

  5. Dear white people: Keep ANY talk about South Asians out of your damn mouths if you think you’re gonna try to use us as ANY KIND of wedge against our Black and brown friends and neighbors. This shit will not be tolerated and you will be shut the fuck down.

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @onetwothree
    @Bappi Lahiri

    Thank god these two sockpuppets are on the insta-approve list. Unz.com workin' smooth!

    Replies: @TWS, @Almost Missouri

    , @Jack Armstrong
    @Bappi Lahiri

    Wha cho talkin’ ‘bout?

    , @Jack D
    @Bappi Lahiri

    https://www.news10.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/64/2021/04/suspect-new-photos-east-harlem-asian-man-attacked-april-2021.jpg?w=960&h=540&crop=1

    https://www.news10.com/news/ny-news/nypd-arrest-1-in-attack-that-left-asian-victim-comatose/

    https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/35d4dac27d78462893aaab2c23dbff07/800.jpeg

    https://apnews.com/article/brandon-elliot-arrested-attacked-65-year-old-asian-woman-741b8c594e1f288cf753b9e5a99e9ed4

    https://pix11.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/25/2021/05/suspect-in-west-side-attack.png?w=1280&h=720&crop=1

    https://pix11.com/news/local-news/manhattan/arrest-hells-kitchen-asian-hate-crime-attack-man-beat-bitten/

    They really need to outlaw security cameras and the publication of photos from these cameras. Security cameras be racis'.

    Replies: @tyrone

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Bappi Lahiri

    https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-nf2x4/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/786/7494/Yoga-Rubber-Duck-Lanco-3__94623.1610815665.jpg?c=2


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    , @Marty T
    @Bappi Lahiri

    Actually I think we're more likely to use the east asians and hispanics against the rest of you. Thanks for the tip though!

  6. Dear white people: Keep ANY talk about South Asians out of your damn mouths if you think you’re gonna try to use us as ANY KIND of wedge against our Black and brown friends and neighbors. This shit will not be tolerated and you will be shut the fuck down.

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @West reanimator
    @Nick Cho


    Dear white people: Keep ANY talk about South Asians out of your damn mouths if you think you’re gonna try to use us as ANY KIND of wedge against our Black and brown friends and neighbors. This shit will not be tolerated and you will be shut the fuck down.
     
    Oops, you mixed up your east Asian troll account with your south Asian troll account. By the way this post has nothing to do with either.
    , @Jack Armstrong
    @Nick Cho

    More nuance please.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

  7. Does anyone actually believe getting the vaccination rate to 90% from 85% will slow the spread of this endemic virus ?

    The most vaccinated states in America , like Vermont and Maine were at 90% vaccination rates yet had higher rates of coronavirus after 90% were vaccinated compared to 2020 when nobody was vaccinated. These vaccines don’t actually prevent the spread of coronavirus and they seem to stop working after 7 months, which is why a third shot will soon be required to be counted among the “fully vaccinated” like in Israel.

    It’s amazing how quick the narrative changed from “the vaccines are 90% effective” to “you must get vaccinated to protect others”. Similar to the fraudulent claims about masks when they told us “my mask protects you , your mask protects me” now they insist everyone must get vaxxed to protect other vaccinated folks from catching Coronavirus despite the evidence which demonstrates the vaccinated are spreading the virus more than the unvaxxed and are more likely to be asymptomatic, thus the vaxxed are the current super spreaders.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    European Journal of Epidemiology study -

    'Increases in COVID-19 are UNRELATED to levels of vaccination across 68 countries'
    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7

    by S. V. Subramanian, affiliated with the Harvard Center for Population and Development Studies, and Harvard Chan School of Public Health
    https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/study-by-harvard-researcher-find-countries-with-lowest-covid-19-vaccination-rates-have-fewer-cases-of-covid-than-fully-vaccinated-countries/
    https://i.ibb.co/4WnB2TH/eur-jrnl-epidemiology-lede.jpg

    Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @SafeNow, @That Would Be Telling, @Mr. Anon

    , @Rooster111
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    It gives the left a fictitious number to use as a rally point. Notice it’s changed from 70% to 80% to 85% and now 90%. The ability for the leftist followers to immediately discard and memory-hole the previous “holy vaccination rate percentage” is an amazing feat of cognitive dissonance. The left has truly embraced the political power of percentages though, much like Bernie Sanders war on the 1%, when the 1% is eliminated it will be filled with a new 1%; how convenient to have a political foe that can always be resurrected and defeated at the whim of a politicians word.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @Travis
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    Vaccination mandates and mask mandates have nothing to do with COVID. These are methods the oligarchs use to force people to submit to their power and to punish those who dissent or question those in power. It was never about stopping the spread of the a respiratory virus with a fatality rate comparable to the flu.. They have known masks would not work since the start, yet mask mandates remain despite 75% of the population being vaccinated. Once they reach 90% they will require boosters and the mask mandates will remain.

    https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1451656491870527489?s=20
    Mask mandates and vaccinations did not stop the spread in New Zealand, or anywhere in the world. Because neither masks nor the vaccines stop people from spreading COVID.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Alt Right Moderate

    , @Mr. Peabody
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    Latest news: "Studies show vaccine is over 90% effective in 12 year olds."
    Uh-huh.

    Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    , @Gamecock
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    But vaccination compliance isn't about preventing the spread of the disease. It's about declaring fealty to the New World Order.

    "But, your Highness, didn't we just do that last month, with the masks and lockdowns?"

    Gamecock's theory is that the vaccine (sic) stops people from being cautious, resulting in more infections, not less.

    The Inquisition level of enforcement of masking, lockdowns and vaccination can't be rationalized medically or scientifically. Indeed, they are driven by politicians.

    You are to wear a mask to show you care, to show that you are on board.

    , @HA
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    "The most vaccinated states in America , like Vermont and Maine were at 90% vaccination rates yet had higher rates of coronavirus after 90% were vaccinated compared to 2020 when nobody was vaccinated."

    You forgot to mention the fact that lockdowns, when "compared to 2020", are far less stringent in the current year. Are you arguing for a return to those?

    Secondly, even though rates of infection did go up with the arrival of the more infectious delta strain, the death rate is significantly lower, and coming mostly from the unvaccinated. Yes, the immunity goes down after about six months -- just like how the vaccine for the regular flu works -- and in that sense, it's nice the just-a-flu bros finally got something sort of right, at least as far as vaccines go.

    And lastly, I'm not sure why you even care about Maine and Vermont since in terms of COVID damage they are both at the bottom of the list (#47 and #51, to be more precise) -- hey, I wonder if that has anything to do with being among "the most vaccinated states in America"? Nah, I'm sure it's just a totally random coincidence. But I'm guessing your decision to focus on them has something to do with the fact that when the numbers are as low as theirs are, the graphs get noisy indeed (Maine, which has twice as many people as Vermont, peaked at 6 COVID deaths a day this time around, down from 11 at the earlier peak), but like I said it's noisy, and it's therefore easier to twist the numbers around.

    In general, if you're scraping the bottom of the barrel to try and make your argument work, that says a lot more about your argument than anything you're likely to scrape up. Note that according to the second link, the COVID death-rate-per-million-inhabitants in Maine is about 835 (and is even lower -- 563 -- in Vermont). In Texas, that number is currently 2,400. Yeah, being among the "most vaccinated states" sure is proving to be a tough road.

  8. Warriors, come out to vax!

    • LOL: Jack Armstrong
  9. Criticizing the government giving \$2 million to the Mongrel Mob mob is racist.

    Politicians need to get their priorities straight, damn it, and criticise the the Mongrel Mob for perpetuating racist stereotypes by using that name. Honestly it should be illegal for a gang to use such an offensive label.

  10. Anon[125] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, you were too much of a pu**y to openly endorse Trump, so in spite of your impressive work you are a failure as a man. You were always afraid to follow the obvious practical conclusions of your (very public) train of thought. Hey have a good few last years in Sunny California though!! ? I wish I got to have a house that expensive.

    • Agree: ic1000
    • Replies: @Shouting Thomas
    @Anon

    Maybe you should smoke a doobie, or have an enema, or something.

    , @notbe
    @Anon

    steve, was not a pu**sy, he was just too realistic to openly endorse trump. trump even in the beginning, was a weakling-not up to the real challenge of being a president, and the chief manager of a bureaucracy that openly despised him

    Replies: @Veteran Aryan, @Ron Mexico

    , @Stogumber
    @Anon

    Anon, how do you know that Steve lives in an expensive house? I only can hope that this is true - given that I am mostly (with occasional exceptions) reading as a free-rider here, the message would relieve my conscience.

    Replies: @TWS, @Expletive Deleted

    , @ic1000
    @Anon

    > Steve, you were too much of a pu**y to openly endorse Trump, so in spite of your impressive work you are a failure as a man.

    I hate it when somebody regularly shares his novel, thought-provoking, and occasionally amusing perspectives on a baker's dozen worth of topics, for free.

    If that scribbler doesn't then instruct me about what to think, he's a pussy (I said it).

    Yeah, what Shouting Thomas said. Doobie or enema, you'll feel better.

    , @AndrewR
    @Anon

    Trump is a senile, kosher conman, so I'm not sure why you're insulting Sailer for this, of all things.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon

    Steve has never endorsed anybody. That's not his function.

    Back to gangs and their trustworthiness:




    VIDEO: Bloods-turned-Crips member sitting in Bronx barbershop chair shot by two gunmen sharing one weapon

  11. Why do you still act so often like the 12 year old smartass you were in seventh grade? Irony has its place but you take it too far. You’ve had 50 years to grow up.

    Anyway, OT: Former MP plays race and sex card to get out of charges that she threatened a woman with acid. The absolute state of the UK. I bet Liz will be issuing a pardon forthwith.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10124065/Former-Labour-MP-reportedly-fears-discriminated-against-faces-jail.html?ico=amp-comments-viewall#article-10124065

  12. @Anon
    Steve, you were too much of a pu**y to openly endorse Trump, so in spite of your impressive work you are a failure as a man. You were always afraid to follow the obvious practical conclusions of your (very public) train of thought. Hey have a good few last years in Sunny California though!! ? I wish I got to have a house that expensive.

    Replies: @Shouting Thomas, @notbe, @Stogumber, @ic1000, @AndrewR, @Reg Cæsar

    Maybe you should smoke a doobie, or have an enema, or something.

  13. @Anon

    Maori or Pacific Islanders, who make up about a quarter of the overall population
     
    Translation: One quarter of the population has one quarter of a percent or more Islander ancestry.

    It's the same as Australian aborigines. I've been watching streamed New Zealand television dramas, and there are a lot of actors that the internet tells me are "Maori." Yeah, right.

    I betcha the gang members are the guys that are akshually Maori, like half or more.

    Also, the gringos in New Zealand, judging from the shows, have a habit of incessantly using little snippets of Maori language, along the lines of "Aloha" in Hawaii. And when I look up these phrases and words, the internet tells me that they are incorrect or misused or some such, in almost all cases. When will this cultural appropriation stop!

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AndrewR, @Bardon Kaldian, @Clyde

    New Zealand has a sizable indigenous Maori population and, increasingly, a non-indigenous Pacific Islander population.

    • Replies: @Ed Case
    @Steve Sailer

    Don't mention the Moriori, though.

    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Steve Sailer

    But a quarter of the overall population? Seems that not that long ago, Maori were about 10% of the overall population of NZ. One posssibility is the number includes growing numbers of non-Maori Pacific Islanders, but I don’t think that’s it. I’m guessing it’s more of a one-drop affirmative action thing similar to what’s going on in Australia with Abo identity.

    , @Wilkey
    @Steve Sailer


    New Zealand’s gangs have a long history, often inspired by similar American groups.
     
    Australia and New Zealand are under increasing pressure to accept Pacific Islander immigrants, supposedly as "climate refugees." For some reason Japan and Taiwan and South Korea and Indonesia and Israel aren't expected to take any of them in, even though Taiwan is probably where Pacific Islanders originated, a few thousand years ago. Pacific Islanders aren't native to Australia at all, though a few were brought there as workers in the late 1800s.

    Utah has a fairly large Polynesian community, thanks to early Mormon success in missionary work among them. There was even, very briefly, a failed Polynesian colony in Utah in the late 1800s called Iosepa. To be fair, if you went there you'd easily understand why it failed.

    A lot of Polynesians like to mimic black culture. They like rap, and there is no such thing as a Polynesian who doesn't love football, though the more cultured ones prefer rugby. On the plus side, they are generally friendlier and not remotely as violent as blacks. But the men still tend to have a bad case of Alpha Male Syndrome, and they don't quite like being told what to do. They also breed a lot more rapidly than pretty much anyone else. Birthrates do seem to be coming down quite a bit, but not as quickly as whites or other groups.

    My suggestion is that the USA spin off Hawaii and make it the official capital of a unified Pacific Islander nation. They can nationalize the property owned by Mark Zuckerberg and other "American" billionaires, and settle the climate refugees there. They could do a lot worse. They'd be much happier in Hawaii than in New Zealand.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Twinkie, @Corn

  14. anonymous[120] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    Does anyone actually believe getting the vaccination rate to 90% from 85% will slow the spread of this endemic virus ?

    The most vaccinated states in America , like Vermont and Maine were at 90% vaccination rates yet had higher rates of coronavirus after 90% were vaccinated compared to 2020 when nobody was vaccinated. These vaccines don’t actually prevent the spread of coronavirus and they seem to stop working after 7 months, which is why a third shot will soon be required to be counted among the “fully vaccinated” like in Israel.

    It’s amazing how quick the narrative changed from “the vaccines are 90% effective” to “you must get vaccinated to protect others”. Similar to the fraudulent claims about masks when they told us “my mask protects you , your mask protects me” now they insist everyone must get vaxxed to protect other vaccinated folks from catching Coronavirus despite the evidence which demonstrates the vaccinated are spreading the virus more than the unvaxxed and are more likely to be asymptomatic, thus the vaxxed are the current super spreaders.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Rooster111, @Travis, @Mr. Peabody, @Gamecock, @HA

    European Journal of Epidemiology study –

    ‘Increases in COVID-19 are UNRELATED to levels of vaccination across 68 countries’
    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7

    by S. V. Subramanian, affiliated with the Harvard Center for Population and Development Studies, and Harvard Chan School of Public Health
    https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/study-by-harvard-researcher-find-countries-with-lowest-covid-19-vaccination-rates-have-fewer-cases-of-covid-than-fully-vaccinated-countries/

    • Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    @anonymous

    Thanks. There is no evidence that vaccination rates have any impact on the spread of coronavirus. This is why the mandates are not logical, these vaccines do not stop infections and require endless boosters. Israel is already looking to add a required fourth shot to maintain your “ fully vaccinated” status. The US will soon be mandating a third shot to keep your job (as long as you continue to wear a worthless cloth mask).

    Replies: @Anon

    , @SafeNow
    @anonymous

    But what about the SEVERITY of the cases?

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @anonymous

    It's a "Correspondence" to the journal, not even a study, and it's garbage, as the Pajeet authors should have told you. For a full treatment see here, easiest to understand and most damning is they only used 7 day windows. Worse is they only score cases, not the much higher rates at which vaccines prevent serious illness or death. But there's more!

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    , @Mr. Anon
    @anonymous

    Commenter "That Would Be Telling" (or, if you prefer, "That Would Be Shilling") doesn't like your study. He wants you to use his study. Bio-medical research papers always include a conflict of interest statement such as "no conflict of interest declared". I wonder if TWBT can honestly say as much?

  15. @Anon
    Steve, you were too much of a pu**y to openly endorse Trump, so in spite of your impressive work you are a failure as a man. You were always afraid to follow the obvious practical conclusions of your (very public) train of thought. Hey have a good few last years in Sunny California though!! ? I wish I got to have a house that expensive.

    Replies: @Shouting Thomas, @notbe, @Stogumber, @ic1000, @AndrewR, @Reg Cæsar

    steve, was not a pu**sy, he was just too realistic to openly endorse trump. trump even in the beginning, was a weakling-not up to the real challenge of being a president, and the chief manager of a bureaucracy that openly despised him

    • Replies: @Veteran Aryan
    @notbe


    and the chief manager of a bureaucracy that openly despised him
     
    As would be any candidate who attempted to represent the typical American voter.
    , @Ron Mexico
    @notbe

    "steve, was not a pu**sy"
    Anon said Steve was a "pu**y", without the sstutter.

  16. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    New Zealand has a sizable indigenous Maori population and, increasingly, a non-indigenous Pacific Islander population.

    Replies: @Ed Case, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Wilkey

    Don’t mention the Moriori, though.

  17. “the gang community”

    “many suffer from urban poverty”

    “[The gang] scene is and always has been far more nuanced.”

    This is the NYT practicing its “George Floyd” sociology — turning the sow’s ear of urban criminality, violence and bottom feeder pathology into the silk purse of saintly victimhood. At some point expect the requirement of corporate governing boards to have a “gang community” representative.

    • Replies: @Gamecock
    @Stephen Paul Foster

    Correct.

    “many suffer from urban poverty”

    Beware journalists using the word "suffer." They are always lying. She has no freakin' clue whether they "suffer." She is projecting that SHE would suffer in those circumstances.

  18. In the late 1940s, the GDP per capita of New Zealand was the third highest in the World, behind only America and Australia. Admittedly, there were a number of unusual factors behind this – most industrialised countries were only just recovering from WWII, and demand for food imports were high as a result also.
    Now, in terms of GDP PPP per capita, New Zealand isn’t even in the top 40. IIRC, back in the late 1940s, the Maori population was about 7-8%. Virtually everyone else was white. The NYT article says Maoris and Pacific Islanders constitute 25% of the population. Maybe an exaggeration, but certainly well over 20%. As with Hispanics in America, it now has a serious gang problem. There there has been the recent importation of large numbers of Asians.
    Slowly but surely New Zealand is becoming a 3rd World Country.

  19. Steve, we are grateful that you blow your cognitive load to slog through and parse these rhetorical tricks

  20. In order to get that number they’ll need a higher rate among Maori than they’ve been getting which isn’t surprising because marginalised ethnic out groups are holding off the vaccine everywhere. This same pattern can be seen for other vaccines, like MMR.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if in and of itself that immigrants were less likely to be vaccinated even if their exact sociological double back home was likely to be.

    In England the Premier League had to abandon plans to force players to vaccinate due to the huge numbers of players who held out. Left unstated but a very disproportionate amount of them were black and or foreign. Needless to say, the black players are not getting much hate on social media or MSM.

    It’s ultimately about trust in authority more than it is about anything else. People who don’t feel a sense of ownership for a society won’t sacrifice for it. (Be it getting vaccinated or simply being diligent about trying to behave in ways to stop the spread of the disease) If the blue ticks were smart they’d realise the stunning implications of what this reveals. Why are all these nice North West European countries that were ethnically homogeneous until very recently having huge numbers (Of the native population) diligently engaging in collective sacrifice while famously fractious places like Italy and immigrant/minority populations and poor disaffected natives, even in nice North West European societies abstaining?

    Here is a piece from NZ about Samoan gangs in LA from 1992 to relate the Rodney King riots to something more familiar to NZ viewers. There are enough and increasing numbers of non-Maori Polynesians (Collectively they will eventually outnumber Maori if things don’t change) to furnish Samoan gangs in NZ too.

    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  21. Was expecting to see “gangs of color” somewhere in the article, and was disappointed.

  22. Maoris are tough buttermuckers. It’s their country. A legitimate force to be reckoned with.

    • Replies: @Alan Mercer
    @Daniel H

    It is not their country. It was their ancestors' land, for a while. Then it was not. The country is built on the land, but it is more than the land.

    If I cut stones from your quarry and build a magnificent castle, is it your castle? Have I stolen your castle?

  23. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    New Zealand has a sizable indigenous Maori population and, increasingly, a non-indigenous Pacific Islander population.

    Replies: @Ed Case, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Wilkey

    But a quarter of the overall population? Seems that not that long ago, Maori were about 10% of the overall population of NZ. One posssibility is the number includes growing numbers of non-Maori Pacific Islanders, but I don’t think that’s it. I’m guessing it’s more of a one-drop affirmative action thing similar to what’s going on in Australia with Abo identity.

  24. @Bappi Lahiri
    Dear white people: Keep ANY talk about South Asians out of your damn mouths if you think you’re gonna try to use us as ANY KIND of wedge against our Black and brown friends and neighbors. This shit will not be tolerated and you will be shut the fuck down.

    Replies: @onetwothree, @Jack Armstrong, @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar, @Marty T

    Thank god these two sockpuppets are on the insta-approve list. Unz.com workin’ smooth!

    • Replies: @TWS
    @onetwothree

    Seriously, how obvious does the duck need to be for Steve or Unz to 'notice' him? For a guy who prides himself on his unusual powers of observation you'd think if nothing else he would be ashamed to let the duck endless sock puppet accounts go unnoticed.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @onetwothree


    Thank god these two sockpuppets are on the insta-approve list.
     
    "The comments are coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE!"
  25. Does New Zealand have the equivalent of Louis Farakhan preaching:

    “It’s whitey’s death shot–don’t take it!”?

    Picture with face tattoos and/or body mass index of this hypothesized leader of the community might also be of interest.

  26. @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    Does anyone actually believe getting the vaccination rate to 90% from 85% will slow the spread of this endemic virus ?

    The most vaccinated states in America , like Vermont and Maine were at 90% vaccination rates yet had higher rates of coronavirus after 90% were vaccinated compared to 2020 when nobody was vaccinated. These vaccines don’t actually prevent the spread of coronavirus and they seem to stop working after 7 months, which is why a third shot will soon be required to be counted among the “fully vaccinated” like in Israel.

    It’s amazing how quick the narrative changed from “the vaccines are 90% effective” to “you must get vaccinated to protect others”. Similar to the fraudulent claims about masks when they told us “my mask protects you , your mask protects me” now they insist everyone must get vaxxed to protect other vaccinated folks from catching Coronavirus despite the evidence which demonstrates the vaccinated are spreading the virus more than the unvaxxed and are more likely to be asymptomatic, thus the vaxxed are the current super spreaders.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Rooster111, @Travis, @Mr. Peabody, @Gamecock, @HA

    It gives the left a fictitious number to use as a rally point. Notice it’s changed from 70% to 80% to 85% and now 90%. The ability for the leftist followers to immediately discard and memory-hole the previous “holy vaccination rate percentage” is an amazing feat of cognitive dissonance. The left has truly embraced the political power of percentages though, much like Bernie Sanders war on the 1%, when the 1% is eliminated it will be filled with a new 1%; how convenient to have a political foe that can always be resurrected and defeated at the whim of a politicians word.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Rooster111

    Even the very definition of vaccination was changed by the CDC on it's website. In those ancient times (up through August 31st of this year) they foolishly said that vaccination was the process of administering a vaccine for the purpose of conferring "immunity" (hence the previously synonymous terms "immunization" and "inoculation"). In the present year - as of September 1st they changed the definition to mean the administering of a vaccine for the purpose of conferring "protection".

    The WHO did the same thing last year with its definition of herd immunity. Their definition had previously embraced natural immunity as well as vaccine-conferred immunity. In October or thereabouts of 2020, they scrubbed natural immunity from their definition. I guess vaccines are like ball-bearings. It's all vaccines now!

    They are literally memory-holing long accepted terms and definitions in the service of the Great Reset. And most people don't even notice it. I mentioned this to a relative of mine, who thinks I am crazy for questioning the Corona narrative, and she replied "well, the science is evolving". The degree to which people have been gas-lit by the non-stop fear campaign is remarkable.

    Replies: @res

  27. The NYT author may have been influenced by some kind memories her grandfather shared with her about the time when he was a member of the kosher mafia. This would explain her rather benign view on gangs.

    • LOL: Buffalo Joe
  28. @anonymous
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    European Journal of Epidemiology study -

    'Increases in COVID-19 are UNRELATED to levels of vaccination across 68 countries'
    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7

    by S. V. Subramanian, affiliated with the Harvard Center for Population and Development Studies, and Harvard Chan School of Public Health
    https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/study-by-harvard-researcher-find-countries-with-lowest-covid-19-vaccination-rates-have-fewer-cases-of-covid-than-fully-vaccinated-countries/
    https://i.ibb.co/4WnB2TH/eur-jrnl-epidemiology-lede.jpg

    Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @SafeNow, @That Would Be Telling, @Mr. Anon

    Thanks. There is no evidence that vaccination rates have any impact on the spread of coronavirus. This is why the mandates are not logical, these vaccines do not stop infections and require endless boosters. Israel is already looking to add a required fourth shot to maintain your “ fully vaccinated” status. The US will soon be mandating a third shot to keep your job (as long as you continue to wear a worthless cloth mask).

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    Different Anon here. (Thanks for the link). Unfortunately, one has to recount also the anecdotes.
    1) Having lunch with six friends recently, we found out two knew women, one in Madrid and one in MEXICO City, that needed stent surgery of the left renal vein (?). One was 43, the other early fifties. Both had thought it was some urinary tract infection issue are were quite shocked to learn it was vascular.
    2) A good friend’s son, 26 years old and very fit, just surprisingly developed an arrhythmia. Further studies revealed the need for surgery, he came out of the operation room with a defribillator and a pacemaker. He was discharged from the hospital this past Friday, October 22. I am not sure the family has made the connection with the vaccine.

    Replies: @HA

  29. Interesting. It’s like street gangs are a natural consequence of having more primitive ethnic groups living in urban areas of more advanced societies. Only now they can collect welfare whereas 100 years ago that wasn’t an option.

    Perhaps putting Amerindians on reservations created an unintended positive consequence: They had no need to flock to urban US cities for work, therefor their kids didn’t start up street gangs. More proof that segregation is the more morally correct and naturally correct practice.

  30. @Anon
    Steve, you were too much of a pu**y to openly endorse Trump, so in spite of your impressive work you are a failure as a man. You were always afraid to follow the obvious practical conclusions of your (very public) train of thought. Hey have a good few last years in Sunny California though!! ? I wish I got to have a house that expensive.

    Replies: @Shouting Thomas, @notbe, @Stogumber, @ic1000, @AndrewR, @Reg Cæsar

    Anon, how do you know that Steve lives in an expensive house? I only can hope that this is true – given that I am mostly (with occasional exceptions) reading as a free-rider here, the message would relieve my conscience.

    • Replies: @TWS
    @Stogumber

    Because his house is in the LA area. It could be a scraper in a slum and it would be worth serious money. But it's not a scraper and it sure is not a slum.

    , @Expletive Deleted
    @Stogumber

    He has garage doors.
    Count 'em and weep.

  31. @Stephen Paul Foster
    "the gang community"

    "many suffer from urban poverty"

    "[The gang] scene is and always has been far more nuanced."


    This is the NYT practicing its "George Floyd" sociology -- turning the sow's ear of urban criminality, violence and bottom feeder pathology into the silk purse of saintly victimhood. At some point expect the requirement of corporate governing boards to have a "gang community" representative.

    Replies: @Gamecock

    Correct.

    “many suffer from urban poverty”

    Beware journalists using the word “suffer.” They are always lying. She has no freakin’ clue whether they “suffer.” She is projecting that SHE would suffer in those circumstances.

  32. She made up a reason to do an article on gangs in NZ (Thanks, Covid!)

    Gangs are 0.16%. Alleged vaccination shortfall is 4.00%.

    Numeracy isn’t taught in journalism schools.

  33. @Nick Cho
    Dear white people: Keep ANY talk about South Asians out of your damn mouths if you think you’re gonna try to use us as ANY KIND of wedge against our Black and brown friends and neighbors. This shit will not be tolerated and you will be shut the fuck down.

    Replies: @West reanimator, @Jack Armstrong

    Dear white people: Keep ANY talk about South Asians out of your damn mouths if you think you’re gonna try to use us as ANY KIND of wedge against our Black and brown friends and neighbors. This shit will not be tolerated and you will be shut the fuck down.

    Oops, you mixed up your east Asian troll account with your south Asian troll account. By the way this post has nothing to do with either.

  34. @Anon
    Steve, you were too much of a pu**y to openly endorse Trump, so in spite of your impressive work you are a failure as a man. You were always afraid to follow the obvious practical conclusions of your (very public) train of thought. Hey have a good few last years in Sunny California though!! ? I wish I got to have a house that expensive.

    Replies: @Shouting Thomas, @notbe, @Stogumber, @ic1000, @AndrewR, @Reg Cæsar

    > Steve, you were too much of a pu**y to openly endorse Trump, so in spite of your impressive work you are a failure as a man.

    I hate it when somebody regularly shares his novel, thought-provoking, and occasionally amusing perspectives on a baker’s dozen worth of topics, for free.

    If that scribbler doesn’t then instruct me about what to think, he’s a pussy (I said it).

    Yeah, what Shouting Thomas said. Doobie or enema, you’ll feel better.

  35. I read the actual NYT article. No “upside-down journalism,” every paragraph is another Establishment talking point. Is there a “Least Curious Journalist” award? How would I go about nominating Natasha Frost?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @ic1000


    Is there a “Least Curious Journalist” award?
     
    That would be like a "Tallest Basketball Player Award" or "Most Socially Awkward Mensa Member Award" or some such.

    Far to many potential entrants.
  36. @Anon

    Maori or Pacific Islanders, who make up about a quarter of the overall population
     
    Translation: One quarter of the population has one quarter of a percent or more Islander ancestry.

    It's the same as Australian aborigines. I've been watching streamed New Zealand television dramas, and there are a lot of actors that the internet tells me are "Maori." Yeah, right.

    I betcha the gang members are the guys that are akshually Maori, like half or more.

    Also, the gringos in New Zealand, judging from the shows, have a habit of incessantly using little snippets of Maori language, along the lines of "Aloha" in Hawaii. And when I look up these phrases and words, the internet tells me that they are incorrect or misused or some such, in almost all cases. When will this cultural appropriation stop!

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AndrewR, @Bardon Kaldian, @Clyde

    The Maori word for non-Maori is pākehā not gringo, you clown.

    • Replies: @Bridgeport_IPA
    @AndrewR

    Nobody cares, ha'ole.

    , @Gjkhhjjjkbbv
    @AndrewR

    So what? It’s a different word in a different language, but it means the same thing.

    Replies: @AndrewR

  37. @Anon
    Steve, you were too much of a pu**y to openly endorse Trump, so in spite of your impressive work you are a failure as a man. You were always afraid to follow the obvious practical conclusions of your (very public) train of thought. Hey have a good few last years in Sunny California though!! ? I wish I got to have a house that expensive.

    Replies: @Shouting Thomas, @notbe, @Stogumber, @ic1000, @AndrewR, @Reg Cæsar

    Trump is a senile, kosher conman, so I’m not sure why you’re insulting Sailer for this, of all things.

    • Agree: Bill Jones
    • Troll: IHTG
  38. It is weird when you see white New Zealanders doing the haka chant.

  39. @Nick Cho
    Dear white people: Keep ANY talk about South Asians out of your damn mouths if you think you’re gonna try to use us as ANY KIND of wedge against our Black and brown friends and neighbors. This shit will not be tolerated and you will be shut the fuck down.

    Replies: @West reanimator, @Jack Armstrong

    More nuance please.

    • LOL: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @Jack Armstrong

    Justice Reiser, dissenting:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ius9w8ZhX4

  40. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    New Zealand has a sizable indigenous Maori population and, increasingly, a non-indigenous Pacific Islander population.

    Replies: @Ed Case, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Wilkey

    New Zealand’s gangs have a long history, often inspired by similar American groups.

    Australia and New Zealand are under increasing pressure to accept Pacific Islander immigrants, supposedly as “climate refugees.” For some reason Japan and Taiwan and South Korea and Indonesia and Israel aren’t expected to take any of them in, even though Taiwan is probably where Pacific Islanders originated, a few thousand years ago. Pacific Islanders aren’t native to Australia at all, though a few were brought there as workers in the late 1800s.

    Utah has a fairly large Polynesian community, thanks to early Mormon success in missionary work among them. There was even, very briefly, a failed Polynesian colony in Utah in the late 1800s called Iosepa. To be fair, if you went there you’d easily understand why it failed.

    A lot of Polynesians like to mimic black culture. They like rap, and there is no such thing as a Polynesian who doesn’t love football, though the more cultured ones prefer rugby. On the plus side, they are generally friendlier and not remotely as violent as blacks. But the men still tend to have a bad case of Alpha Male Syndrome, and they don’t quite like being told what to do. They also breed a lot more rapidly than pretty much anyone else. Birthrates do seem to be coming down quite a bit, but not as quickly as whites or other groups.

    My suggestion is that the USA spin off Hawaii and make it the official capital of a unified Pacific Islander nation. They can nationalize the property owned by Mark Zuckerberg and other “American” billionaires, and settle the climate refugees there. They could do a lot worse. They’d be much happier in Hawaii than in New Zealand.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Wilkey


    For some reason Japan and Taiwan and South Korea and Indonesia and Israel aren’t expected to take any of them in.
     
    Always remember to bring Israel into your arguments, even if it is irrelevant.

    Actually Israel has a fairly large Filipino community (do they count as Pacific Islanders?). Their main job seems to be taking care of elderly Jewish ladies (most of the extremely elderly are female - the men kick off sooner) so their kids don't have to.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Wilkey, @That Would Be Telling, @Bill Jones

    , @Twinkie
    @Wilkey


    For some reason Japan and Taiwan and South Korea and Indonesia and Israel
     
    Refugees are like water - where there is a loophole, they flow in rapidly: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/how-hundreds-of-yemenis-fleeing-the-worlds-worst-humanitarian-crisis-ended-up-on-a-resort-island-in-south-korea/2018/06/20/cf0b49fc-7381-11e8-805c-4b67019fcfe4_story.html

    How hundreds of Yemenis fleeing the world’s worst humanitarian crisis ended up on a resort island in South Korea
     

    Word was out already of Jeju’s tourist-friendly visa policies, making it one of the few places that did not require advance visas for Yemenis. A few Yemenis reached Jeju in recent years to make claims for refugee status in South Korea.

    What changed this year was a new direct flight to Jeju on a budget airline from Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia, which also grants Yemenis a visa on arrival. At first, a trickle of Yemenis arrived. Then many more — all willing to risk sometimes all their savings to flee more than four years of warfare and deepening humanitarian miseries.

    The hope was that Jeju would be a springboard to reach Seoul and apply for refugee protections. But that proved wrong. South Korean officials quickly blocked Yemenis from leaving the island, and on June 1, Jeju dropped Yemen from the no-visa rules to join a handful of other countries including Syria, Iran and Nigeria.

    The more than 500 Yemenis who made it to Jeju before the door closed — mostly men, but some families with children — are stranded. They can’t reach the mainland, and few have the money or inclination to return to Malaysia.
     
    , @Corn
    @Wilkey

    Fun in the sun. Gonna be alot of Foreign Service pukes jockeying to be the first US ambassador to the Republic of Oceania.

  41. @Bappi Lahiri
    Dear white people: Keep ANY talk about South Asians out of your damn mouths if you think you’re gonna try to use us as ANY KIND of wedge against our Black and brown friends and neighbors. This shit will not be tolerated and you will be shut the fuck down.

    Replies: @onetwothree, @Jack Armstrong, @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar, @Marty T

    Wha cho talkin’ ‘bout?

  42. @Mr Mox

    They aren’t just any criminals, they are mongrel criminals.
     
    The crime in these misunderstood mongrels is only skin deep.

    https://i.imgur.com/tt6N3xz.jpg

    Replies: @Joe S.Walker, @Jack Armstrong, @Reg Cæsar, @Buffalo Joe

    To be fair, there are people who look like that claiming to be women.

  43. @Mr Mox

    They aren’t just any criminals, they are mongrel criminals.
     
    The crime in these misunderstood mongrels is only skin deep.

    https://i.imgur.com/tt6N3xz.jpg

    Replies: @Joe S.Walker, @Jack Armstrong, @Reg Cæsar, @Buffalo Joe

    Ma’or’i are tough and urban!

  44. With a 90% take up rate for the Kill-Shot, Who’s going to service the Billionbunkerneers?

    Maybe they’re looking for a clean state to restart humanity.

  45. mongrel criminals

    To what extent are Maoris actual mongrels? I have the impression that most Australian “Aborigines” (especially the kind that get gigs as professors of diversity studies and such) are about as aboriginal as Elizabeth Warren is an Indian. But it is my impression that the Maoris are less admixed than either the Aborigines or American Indians so that they still look like Maoris – you don’t see many people claiming to be “Maoris” with blond hair and blue eyes. Even Taika David Cohen (known professionally as Taika Waititi) looks like he has a decent amount of Polynesian blood (either that or he has been liberally applying the bronzer):

    Or maybe Maori looks are just more resistant to being bred out. Australian Aboriginal appearance is notoriously recessive – it has been known to disappear even in 1 generation.

    • Replies: @TWS
    @Jack D

    He's half. Watching his movies at listening to him speak I get the impression some bad juju went down when he went to visit that side of his family.

    , @Ed Case
    @Jack D

    "Mongrel'' was a term of abuse in NZ and Australia back in the Sixties when the Mongrel Mob kicked off.
    ''Bastard'' was another one, not taken literally.

    , @sb
    @Jack D

    OTOH
    I've regularly heard that there are no 100% Maoris still around and that this has been the case for some time .
    Whereas there are still 100% Aboriginals still around in northern and central Australia ( but of course Australia is a pretty big place and I've seen reports that there were aborigines who had no white contact till the 1930s if not later )
    But can't really swear to the veracity of these statements

    Replies: @Mike1

    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    Lots of nonsense on this thread, but the actual answer is 60% Polynesian on average, as of a decade ago).

    Lots of whitish looking people do identify as Maori, but it's usually not really like the Australian cases that have been posted (though that phenomenon does exist in NZ as well, and that practice is made easy by traditional Maori beliefs defining anyone with any Maori ancestry or whakapapa as Maori). Usually in NZ these people have immediate family that look far more Polynesian and are culturally fully Maori. Often these whitish looking people really were raised in Maori culture (such as it is today). It's just that Maori are so heavily multi-generationally admixed that a Maori parent and a white parent are quite likely to have whitish looking kids.

    Waititi's friend Jemaine Clement is a good example of an ethnically ambiguous looking guy of (partial) Maori descent. His father was white and genetically he's probably no more than a quarter Maori, but he was raised by his Maori grandmother and his Maori mother, who named him Jemaine after her crush Jermaine Jackson, alongside siblings who have Maori names, in a heavily Maori area, and in a stereotypically Maori social environment (absent dad, mum often on the dole). Of course he's going to identify as Maori.

    And NZ absolutely is a quarter Polynesian, with both Maori and PI populations growing. Also heavily Asian. People's perception of NZ as super white always surprises me.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  46. @Bappi Lahiri
    Dear white people: Keep ANY talk about South Asians out of your damn mouths if you think you’re gonna try to use us as ANY KIND of wedge against our Black and brown friends and neighbors. This shit will not be tolerated and you will be shut the fuck down.

    Replies: @onetwothree, @Jack Armstrong, @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar, @Marty T

    • Replies: @tyrone
    @Jack D

    "outlaw security cameras".......now wait second, what are we gonna' do for entertainment.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  47. Anon[100] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    @anonymous

    Thanks. There is no evidence that vaccination rates have any impact on the spread of coronavirus. This is why the mandates are not logical, these vaccines do not stop infections and require endless boosters. Israel is already looking to add a required fourth shot to maintain your “ fully vaccinated” status. The US will soon be mandating a third shot to keep your job (as long as you continue to wear a worthless cloth mask).

    Replies: @Anon

    Different Anon here. (Thanks for the link). Unfortunately, one has to recount also the anecdotes.
    1) Having lunch with six friends recently, we found out two knew women, one in Madrid and one in MEXICO City, that needed stent surgery of the left renal vein (?). One was 43, the other early fifties. Both had thought it was some urinary tract infection issue are were quite shocked to learn it was vascular.
    2) A good friend’s son, 26 years old and very fit, just surprisingly developed an arrhythmia. Further studies revealed the need for surgery, he came out of the operation room with a defribillator and a pacemaker. He was discharged from the hospital this past Friday, October 22. I am not sure the family has made the connection with the vaccine.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Anon

    "A good friend’s son, 26 years old and very fit, just surprisingly developed an arrhythmia."


    Yes, and if we're going with "a good friend's son" anecdotes, we might as well go with this:


    People vaccinated against COVID-19 less likely to die of other causes - study

    People who received two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were 34% as likely to die of any non-COVID-19 cause as those who were not vaccinated, while people who received two doses of the Moderna vaccine were 31% as likely to die as those who were unvaccinated. In comparison, people who received the Johnson & Johnson vaccine were 54% as likely to die as unvaccinated people,..
     

    The story cites a study by the CDC. Even if true, people who don't bother to get vaccinated are probably more risk prone on average, and less concerned with heath, so that their higher mortality is presumably just a reflection of that. But that will complicate the overall issue of how well vaxxed vs. unvaxxed are doing.

    Of course to the anti-vaxxers looking for one more rationalization to get over their fear of the vaccine needles, they can just dump this study in the "ignore bin" while scouring Facebook for more "good friend's son" anecdotes that align with their ideology. I mean, plenty of 90-year-olds seem to have done just fine with this vaccine, apart from a day or so of flu-like symptoms. To the extent a "very fit" 26-year-olds are keeling over or getting pacemakers after taking them, maybe they're not as healthy as these anecdotes would have us believe, and maybe they would have had a rougher-than-average time with COVID, too. Though I'm still sorry a good friend's 26-year-old son has to deal with a pacemaker. That is admittedly likely to cause some understandable what-if-I-had-done-it-differently thinking among all those concerned.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Anon

  48. @Wilkey
    @Steve Sailer


    New Zealand’s gangs have a long history, often inspired by similar American groups.
     
    Australia and New Zealand are under increasing pressure to accept Pacific Islander immigrants, supposedly as "climate refugees." For some reason Japan and Taiwan and South Korea and Indonesia and Israel aren't expected to take any of them in, even though Taiwan is probably where Pacific Islanders originated, a few thousand years ago. Pacific Islanders aren't native to Australia at all, though a few were brought there as workers in the late 1800s.

    Utah has a fairly large Polynesian community, thanks to early Mormon success in missionary work among them. There was even, very briefly, a failed Polynesian colony in Utah in the late 1800s called Iosepa. To be fair, if you went there you'd easily understand why it failed.

    A lot of Polynesians like to mimic black culture. They like rap, and there is no such thing as a Polynesian who doesn't love football, though the more cultured ones prefer rugby. On the plus side, they are generally friendlier and not remotely as violent as blacks. But the men still tend to have a bad case of Alpha Male Syndrome, and they don't quite like being told what to do. They also breed a lot more rapidly than pretty much anyone else. Birthrates do seem to be coming down quite a bit, but not as quickly as whites or other groups.

    My suggestion is that the USA spin off Hawaii and make it the official capital of a unified Pacific Islander nation. They can nationalize the property owned by Mark Zuckerberg and other "American" billionaires, and settle the climate refugees there. They could do a lot worse. They'd be much happier in Hawaii than in New Zealand.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Twinkie, @Corn

    For some reason Japan and Taiwan and South Korea and Indonesia and Israel aren’t expected to take any of them in.

    Always remember to bring Israel into your arguments, even if it is irrelevant.

    Actually Israel has a fairly large Filipino community (do they count as Pacific Islanders?). Their main job seems to be taking care of elderly Jewish ladies (most of the extremely elderly are female – the men kick off sooner) so their kids don’t have to.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    Actually Israel has a fairly large Filipino community
     
    What’s “a fairly large” number in context of Israel’s size?

    Back when I spent time in Israel, I saw some Thais there, who’d been brought in for agricultural work. My Israeli counterpart would say that, because of them, Israel had the best Thai food in the world (“Um, no, I don’t think so…”).

    Apparently there are about 10,o00 Chinese in Israel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_people_in_Israel

    While discrimination against Chinese people in Israel is not a common phenomenon, in 2001, then-labor and social affairs minister Shlomo Benizri said: "I just don't understand why a restaurant needs a slant-eye to serve me my meal",[15] a comment which was called “racist” in the Israeli press.[12]

    In 2003, The Guardian claimed that Chinese workers at an unspecified company had been required to agree not to have sex with or marry Israeli women, including prostitutes, as a condition of getting a job. A police spokesperson said that there was nothing illegal about the requirement and that no investigation had been opened. Israeli lawyers, however, claim that these contracts violate Israeli law and would not be enforceable.[16]
     

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Wilkey
    @Jack D


    Always remember to bring Israel into your arguments, even if it is irrelevant.
     
    This is to make up for the press always forgetting to bring Israel into its arguments, even when it's literally right next door to the country sending all the refugees. Lots of MSM was complaining about Hungary putting up a fence to keep the refugees out, but literally all of them conveniently failed to mention the safe, prosperous country right next door that wasn't accepting any.

    And I've questioned why Japan and South Korea weren't expected to take in Syrian refugees plenty of times.

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @Jack D


    Always remember to bring Israel into your arguments, even if it is irrelevant.
     
    Yeah, far too many people think pointing out hypocrisy is a strong argument. Our enemies don't give a damn about it, and we already know it, so why bother??

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Bill Jones
    @Jack D

    Where does Israel get fairly large Filipino's from?

    All the ones I know are little guys. Do they have special breeding programs?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  49. @Daniel H
    Maoris are tough buttermuckers. It's their country. A legitimate force to be reckoned with.

    Replies: @Alan Mercer

    It is not their country. It was their ancestors’ land, for a while. Then it was not. The country is built on the land, but it is more than the land.

    If I cut stones from your quarry and build a magnificent castle, is it your castle? Have I stolen your castle?

  50. @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    Does anyone actually believe getting the vaccination rate to 90% from 85% will slow the spread of this endemic virus ?

    The most vaccinated states in America , like Vermont and Maine were at 90% vaccination rates yet had higher rates of coronavirus after 90% were vaccinated compared to 2020 when nobody was vaccinated. These vaccines don’t actually prevent the spread of coronavirus and they seem to stop working after 7 months, which is why a third shot will soon be required to be counted among the “fully vaccinated” like in Israel.

    It’s amazing how quick the narrative changed from “the vaccines are 90% effective” to “you must get vaccinated to protect others”. Similar to the fraudulent claims about masks when they told us “my mask protects you , your mask protects me” now they insist everyone must get vaxxed to protect other vaccinated folks from catching Coronavirus despite the evidence which demonstrates the vaccinated are spreading the virus more than the unvaxxed and are more likely to be asymptomatic, thus the vaxxed are the current super spreaders.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Rooster111, @Travis, @Mr. Peabody, @Gamecock, @HA

    Vaccination mandates and mask mandates have nothing to do with COVID. These are methods the oligarchs use to force people to submit to their power and to punish those who dissent or question those in power. It was never about stopping the spread of the a respiratory virus with a fatality rate comparable to the flu.. They have known masks would not work since the start, yet mask mandates remain despite 75% of the population being vaccinated. Once they reach 90% they will require boosters and the mask mandates will remain.


    Mask mandates and vaccinations did not stop the spread in New Zealand, or anywhere in the world. Because neither masks nor the vaccines stop people from spreading COVID.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Travis


    Mask mandates and vaccinations did not stop the spread in New Zealand, or anywhere in the world. Because neither masks nor the vaccines stop people from spreading COVID.
     
    It appears that masks are not effective at all. At best they remind people or prevent them from touching their faces with their (possibly infected) hands. It is more an outward sign of obedience to the fear mongers.

    Vaxes probably reduce rates of transmission but I don't read much about that. With the persistence of COVID even in vaxxed people, or those with prior infections, the Wuhan Institute of Virology/CDC Fauci virus has had quite a "gain of function" since development.

    Eventually with regular boosters (for those who do that) and other more serious social problems (rampant inflation/depression/etc.) this COVID madness will die down. The most vulnerable will be culled from the herd and few even crazed Dem politicians want to ride a failed one-trick pony for too long. The 2022 US elections may well put a stopper in that bottle of mandates.

    If small "democratic" authoritarian regimes in countries like Israel or N. Zealand can't eliminate COVID over time with harsh measures, who can?

    Let's watch CCP China. Their Sinovac stuff is widely given but few mentions are made of hard data about COVID rates. Or how honest they are in China. Sinovac is among the least effective preventives yet we are told that "all is well in China" etc. They have learned to live with it and have plenty of Chinese to spare. This will be our future, like it or not.
    , @Alt Right Moderate
    @Travis

    The reason the New Zealand government is pushing for very high vaccination rates is because they have finally conceded they can't stop the virus spreading (and eliminate deaths) through their traditional go-to, over-the-top lockdowns. Hence, they are now belatedly trying to vaccinate as many people as possible before the government-friendly media starts to turn on them.

    The NZ government has bragged about how much better they have handled the virus than other countries, and now their day of reckoning has finally arrived they are getting nervous. They also rely a lot on Maoris and Polynesians for votes, and unvaccinated Maoris and Polynesians are more vulnerable than other groups because of their high obesity rates.

    And yes, there are lockdowns hawks on the left who think the government has gone cavalier crazy and should lockdown for another year.

    Replies: @Mike1, @BB753

  51. @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    Does anyone actually believe getting the vaccination rate to 90% from 85% will slow the spread of this endemic virus ?

    The most vaccinated states in America , like Vermont and Maine were at 90% vaccination rates yet had higher rates of coronavirus after 90% were vaccinated compared to 2020 when nobody was vaccinated. These vaccines don’t actually prevent the spread of coronavirus and they seem to stop working after 7 months, which is why a third shot will soon be required to be counted among the “fully vaccinated” like in Israel.

    It’s amazing how quick the narrative changed from “the vaccines are 90% effective” to “you must get vaccinated to protect others”. Similar to the fraudulent claims about masks when they told us “my mask protects you , your mask protects me” now they insist everyone must get vaxxed to protect other vaccinated folks from catching Coronavirus despite the evidence which demonstrates the vaccinated are spreading the virus more than the unvaxxed and are more likely to be asymptomatic, thus the vaxxed are the current super spreaders.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Rooster111, @Travis, @Mr. Peabody, @Gamecock, @HA

    Latest news: “Studies show vaccine is over 90% effective in 12 year olds.”
    Uh-huh.

    • Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    @Mr. Peabody

    There is absolutely no scientific or medical justification for vaccinating children with this experimental vaccine for a virus that has a fatality rate of 0.02% for kids under the age of 17. These vaccines are non-sterilizing, thus do not prevent coronavirus infections. The risks far out way any benefit. They do not prevent kids from getting infected and spreading the virus and they will still force the vaccinated kids to wear masks in school.

    Replies: @anonymous coward

  52. @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    Does anyone actually believe getting the vaccination rate to 90% from 85% will slow the spread of this endemic virus ?

    The most vaccinated states in America , like Vermont and Maine were at 90% vaccination rates yet had higher rates of coronavirus after 90% were vaccinated compared to 2020 when nobody was vaccinated. These vaccines don’t actually prevent the spread of coronavirus and they seem to stop working after 7 months, which is why a third shot will soon be required to be counted among the “fully vaccinated” like in Israel.

    It’s amazing how quick the narrative changed from “the vaccines are 90% effective” to “you must get vaccinated to protect others”. Similar to the fraudulent claims about masks when they told us “my mask protects you , your mask protects me” now they insist everyone must get vaxxed to protect other vaccinated folks from catching Coronavirus despite the evidence which demonstrates the vaccinated are spreading the virus more than the unvaxxed and are more likely to be asymptomatic, thus the vaxxed are the current super spreaders.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Rooster111, @Travis, @Mr. Peabody, @Gamecock, @HA

    But vaccination compliance isn’t about preventing the spread of the disease. It’s about declaring fealty to the New World Order.

    “But, your Highness, didn’t we just do that last month, with the masks and lockdowns?”

    Gamecock’s theory is that the vaccine (sic) stops people from being cautious, resulting in more infections, not less.

    The Inquisition level of enforcement of masking, lockdowns and vaccination can’t be rationalized medically or scientifically. Indeed, they are driven by politicians.

    You are to wear a mask to show you care, to show that you are on board.

  53. @Anon

    Maori or Pacific Islanders, who make up about a quarter of the overall population
     
    Translation: One quarter of the population has one quarter of a percent or more Islander ancestry.

    It's the same as Australian aborigines. I've been watching streamed New Zealand television dramas, and there are a lot of actors that the internet tells me are "Maori." Yeah, right.

    I betcha the gang members are the guys that are akshually Maori, like half or more.

    Also, the gringos in New Zealand, judging from the shows, have a habit of incessantly using little snippets of Maori language, along the lines of "Aloha" in Hawaii. And when I look up these phrases and words, the internet tells me that they are incorrect or misused or some such, in almost all cases. When will this cultural appropriation stop!

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AndrewR, @Bardon Kaldian, @Clyde

    Celebrating Māori Leadership

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Bardon, ah yes, the barcode on the chin is a dead give away.

  54. I remember an article I can’t find about black drug gangs in L.A. The guy who wrote it, some kind of criminologist or sociologist or something, was puzzling over the fact that these gang members didn’t seem to be making much money. Less than McDonald’s, he said. He quoted one gang member saying something along the lines of “the gang members get the girls even if the McDonald’s workers are making more money.” But he considered this statement so obviously contradictory to Revealed Truth that he didn’t pursue the idea further.

    It’s always funny when there are these articles about antivax sentiments among some non-white group, and the contingent of white anti-vaxxers starts to squawk “it’s not faaaaaiiiiiir that these non-whites get to behave in an anti-social, illogical manner and be hand-held while the media just calls us stupid.”

    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  55. @onetwothree
    @Bappi Lahiri

    Thank god these two sockpuppets are on the insta-approve list. Unz.com workin' smooth!

    Replies: @TWS, @Almost Missouri

    Seriously, how obvious does the duck need to be for Steve or Unz to ‘notice’ him? For a guy who prides himself on his unusual powers of observation you’d think if nothing else he would be ashamed to let the duck endless sock puppet accounts go unnoticed.

  56. Anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

    I like it when obviously racialist criminal gangs give themselves funny names that incriminate themselves.

    For example:

    Here in Chicago the largest Black African American gang are associated with the gang:

    The Black Gangster Disciples

    Lots and lots of PR spins have tried to convince normal people that this really isn’t a criminal gang with all Black African American criminals.

    The name sort of implies that yeah, they might be “Black” and they might be gangsters – hence the name “The Black Gangster Disciples”.

    Another very violent racial gang in chicago is an Hispanic gang called:

    LaRasa” – which translates as “The Race”. Only Hispanics/Latinos can be in the LaRasa gang and of course the usual suspects will shout “YOU’RE RACIST” if you just notice the obvious that a straight up criminal Hispanic gang called “LaRasa” (The RACE) might indeed be a Racist Hispanic criminal gang.

    Like Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

  57. @Jack D

    mongrel criminals
     
    To what extent are Maoris actual mongrels? I have the impression that most Australian "Aborigines" (especially the kind that get gigs as professors of diversity studies and such) are about as aboriginal as Elizabeth Warren is an Indian. But it is my impression that the Maoris are less admixed than either the Aborigines or American Indians so that they still look like Maoris - you don't see many people claiming to be "Maoris" with blond hair and blue eyes. Even Taika David Cohen (known professionally as Taika Waititi) looks like he has a decent amount of Polynesian blood (either that or he has been liberally applying the bronzer):

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Taika_Waititi_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg

    Or maybe Maori looks are just more resistant to being bred out. Australian Aboriginal appearance is notoriously recessive - it has been known to disappear even in 1 generation.

    Replies: @TWS, @Ed Case, @sb, @Anonymous

    He’s half. Watching his movies at listening to him speak I get the impression some bad juju went down when he went to visit that side of his family.

  58. As a New Zealander, this is one of a few things our disgusting horse-faced PM is doing right.

    Working with the gangs to give them something to do besides being deads**ts makes sense. Our greatest PM, Robert Muldoon, did it too, though of course he met with them for a drink himself, as a real leader would.

  59. @Stogumber
    @Anon

    Anon, how do you know that Steve lives in an expensive house? I only can hope that this is true - given that I am mostly (with occasional exceptions) reading as a free-rider here, the message would relieve my conscience.

    Replies: @TWS, @Expletive Deleted

    Because his house is in the LA area. It could be a scraper in a slum and it would be worth serious money. But it’s not a scraper and it sure is not a slum.

  60. @Jack D
    @Wilkey


    For some reason Japan and Taiwan and South Korea and Indonesia and Israel aren’t expected to take any of them in.
     
    Always remember to bring Israel into your arguments, even if it is irrelevant.

    Actually Israel has a fairly large Filipino community (do they count as Pacific Islanders?). Their main job seems to be taking care of elderly Jewish ladies (most of the extremely elderly are female - the men kick off sooner) so their kids don't have to.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Wilkey, @That Would Be Telling, @Bill Jones

    Actually Israel has a fairly large Filipino community

    What’s “a fairly large” number in context of Israel’s size?

    Back when I spent time in Israel, I saw some Thais there, who’d been brought in for agricultural work. My Israeli counterpart would say that, because of them, Israel had the best Thai food in the world (“Um, no, I don’t think so…”).

    Apparently there are about 10,o00 Chinese in Israel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_people_in_Israel

    While discrimination against Chinese people in Israel is not a common phenomenon, in 2001, then-labor and social affairs minister Shlomo Benizri said: “I just don’t understand why a restaurant needs a slant-eye to serve me my meal”,[15] a comment which was called “racist” in the Israeli press.[12]

    In 2003, The Guardian claimed that Chinese workers at an unspecified company had been required to agree not to have sex with or marry Israeli women, including prostitutes, as a condition of getting a job. A police spokesperson said that there was nothing illegal about the requirement and that no investigation had been opened. Israeli lawyers, however, claim that these contracts violate Israeli law and would not be enforceable.[16]

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    Supposedly 30,000 to 50,000

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipinos_in_Israel

    As a percentage of population, this would be equivalent to having 1.5 million in the US.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  61. @Dumbo

    For Maori who had moved to New Zealand’s urban centers, gangs became a critical way to find kinship away from traditional tribal structures.

     

    Gangs are tribal structures. Maoris and Central Americans are just associating in the same way they did for thousands of years - as small tribes fighting each other. The only thing new is the graffiti.

    Anyway, I think Covid killed the horrific amount of 20 people in NZ, all of them old, so I think gangs will be fine without the vaccine.

    Replies: @RonaldB

    Use your imagination. The gangs are going to branch out into enforcing the vaccine. The threat is, a motorcycle gang pulls up to a civilian and says “show me your vaccine passport”. What happens to those who say “no”.

    • Replies: @Blankaerd
    @RonaldB

    That is going to be absolutely hilarious, I can already picture that happening.

  62. @Wilkey
    @Steve Sailer


    New Zealand’s gangs have a long history, often inspired by similar American groups.
     
    Australia and New Zealand are under increasing pressure to accept Pacific Islander immigrants, supposedly as "climate refugees." For some reason Japan and Taiwan and South Korea and Indonesia and Israel aren't expected to take any of them in, even though Taiwan is probably where Pacific Islanders originated, a few thousand years ago. Pacific Islanders aren't native to Australia at all, though a few were brought there as workers in the late 1800s.

    Utah has a fairly large Polynesian community, thanks to early Mormon success in missionary work among them. There was even, very briefly, a failed Polynesian colony in Utah in the late 1800s called Iosepa. To be fair, if you went there you'd easily understand why it failed.

    A lot of Polynesians like to mimic black culture. They like rap, and there is no such thing as a Polynesian who doesn't love football, though the more cultured ones prefer rugby. On the plus side, they are generally friendlier and not remotely as violent as blacks. But the men still tend to have a bad case of Alpha Male Syndrome, and they don't quite like being told what to do. They also breed a lot more rapidly than pretty much anyone else. Birthrates do seem to be coming down quite a bit, but not as quickly as whites or other groups.

    My suggestion is that the USA spin off Hawaii and make it the official capital of a unified Pacific Islander nation. They can nationalize the property owned by Mark Zuckerberg and other "American" billionaires, and settle the climate refugees there. They could do a lot worse. They'd be much happier in Hawaii than in New Zealand.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Twinkie, @Corn

    For some reason Japan and Taiwan and South Korea and Indonesia and Israel

    Refugees are like water – where there is a loophole, they flow in rapidly: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/how-hundreds-of-yemenis-fleeing-the-worlds-worst-humanitarian-crisis-ended-up-on-a-resort-island-in-south-korea/2018/06/20/cf0b49fc-7381-11e8-805c-4b67019fcfe4_story.html

    How hundreds of Yemenis fleeing the world’s worst humanitarian crisis ended up on a resort island in South Korea

    Word was out already of Jeju’s tourist-friendly visa policies, making it one of the few places that did not require advance visas for Yemenis. A few Yemenis reached Jeju in recent years to make claims for refugee status in South Korea.

    What changed this year was a new direct flight to Jeju on a budget airline from Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia, which also grants Yemenis a visa on arrival. At first, a trickle of Yemenis arrived. Then many more — all willing to risk sometimes all their savings to flee more than four years of warfare and deepening humanitarian miseries.

    The hope was that Jeju would be a springboard to reach Seoul and apply for refugee protections. But that proved wrong. South Korean officials quickly blocked Yemenis from leaving the island, and on June 1, Jeju dropped Yemen from the no-visa rules to join a handful of other countries including Syria, Iran and Nigeria.

    The more than 500 Yemenis who made it to Jeju before the door closed — mostly men, but some families with children — are stranded. They can’t reach the mainland, and few have the money or inclination to return to Malaysia.

  63. @Rooster111
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    It gives the left a fictitious number to use as a rally point. Notice it’s changed from 70% to 80% to 85% and now 90%. The ability for the leftist followers to immediately discard and memory-hole the previous “holy vaccination rate percentage” is an amazing feat of cognitive dissonance. The left has truly embraced the political power of percentages though, much like Bernie Sanders war on the 1%, when the 1% is eliminated it will be filled with a new 1%; how convenient to have a political foe that can always be resurrected and defeated at the whim of a politicians word.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Even the very definition of vaccination was changed by the CDC on it’s website. In those ancient times (up through August 31st of this year) they foolishly said that vaccination was the process of administering a vaccine for the purpose of conferring “immunity” (hence the previously synonymous terms “immunization” and “inoculation”). In the present year – as of September 1st they changed the definition to mean the administering of a vaccine for the purpose of conferring “protection”.

    The WHO did the same thing last year with its definition of herd immunity. Their definition had previously embraced natural immunity as well as vaccine-conferred immunity. In October or thereabouts of 2020, they scrubbed natural immunity from their definition. I guess vaccines are like ball-bearings. It’s all vaccines now!

    They are literally memory-holing long accepted terms and definitions in the service of the Great Reset. And most people don’t even notice it. I mentioned this to a relative of mine, who thinks I am crazy for questioning the Corona narrative, and she replied “well, the science is evolving”. The degree to which people have been gas-lit by the non-stop fear campaign is remarkable.

    • Replies: @res
    @Mr. Anon

    Thanks. Can you provide the before and after versions? Or just a link to the present versions? I would really like to see the change timing and content documented with Internet Archive links.

    P.S. I tried comparing May 1st and current versions of the CDC glossary and did not see a change like that.
    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/terms/glossary.html
    https://web.archive.org/web/20210503163606/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/terms/glossary.html
    https://www.copyscape.com/compare.php

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @That Would Be Telling

  64. I like ‘pearl-clutching.’ That’s a useful way of trivializing outrage about almost anything.

    ‘All the pearl-clutching about the recent string of rapes in our neighborhood…’

    ‘All the pearl-clutching over the fate of the German expellees…’

    ‘All the pearl-clutching over the dog meat found in McDonald’s hamburgers…’

    ‘All the pearl-clutching about how I shot your cat and poisoned the trick-or-treaters…’

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Colin Wright

    I find it odd that the New York Times would unself-consciously use the dismissive adjective "pearl clutching" when it is in the forefront of pearl-clutching when reporting news stories. Isn't the NYT constantly pearl-clutching about tiny, often imagined affronts to the feelings of minorities?

    , @Veteran Aryan
    @Colin Wright


    I like ‘pearl-clutching.’ That’s a useful way of trivializing outrage about almost anything.
     
    So, you're pearl-clutching about all the pearl-clutching?

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  65. @Mr. Anon
    @Rooster111

    Even the very definition of vaccination was changed by the CDC on it's website. In those ancient times (up through August 31st of this year) they foolishly said that vaccination was the process of administering a vaccine for the purpose of conferring "immunity" (hence the previously synonymous terms "immunization" and "inoculation"). In the present year - as of September 1st they changed the definition to mean the administering of a vaccine for the purpose of conferring "protection".

    The WHO did the same thing last year with its definition of herd immunity. Their definition had previously embraced natural immunity as well as vaccine-conferred immunity. In October or thereabouts of 2020, they scrubbed natural immunity from their definition. I guess vaccines are like ball-bearings. It's all vaccines now!

    They are literally memory-holing long accepted terms and definitions in the service of the Great Reset. And most people don't even notice it. I mentioned this to a relative of mine, who thinks I am crazy for questioning the Corona narrative, and she replied "well, the science is evolving". The degree to which people have been gas-lit by the non-stop fear campaign is remarkable.

    Replies: @res

    Thanks. Can you provide the before and after versions? Or just a link to the present versions? I would really like to see the change timing and content documented with Internet Archive links.

    P.S. I tried comparing May 1st and current versions of the CDC glossary and did not see a change like that.
    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/terms/glossary.html
    https://web.archive.org/web/20210503163606/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/terms/glossary.html
    https://www.copyscape.com/compare.php

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @res


    Thanks. Can you provide the before and after versions? Or just a link to the present versions? I would really like to see the change timing and content documented with Internet Archive links.
     
    Perhaps they have not updated their glossary yet. However, here's an MSM story about the change on the CDC's "Immunization: The Basics" website:

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254111268.html

    with links to the before and after versions:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20210826113846/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm

    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm

    Does the CDC really know that much more about vaccination in September than they did in August? And - if what they are now saying is true - that vaccines are only intended to confer "protection" rather than immunity - does that mean they've been selling the public a line of BS about all the other vaccinations they've been recommending over the years?

    And here are comparisons of the WHO's definitions of herd immunity:

    Before:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20201023093420/https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-serology

    "Herd immunity is the indirect protection from an infectious disease that happens when a population is immune either through vaccination or immunity developed through previous infection. This means that even people who haven’t been infected, or in whom an infection hasn’t triggered an immune response, they are protected because people around them who are immune can act as buffers between them and an infected person. The threshold for establishing herd immunity for COVID-19 is not yet clear."

    After:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20201124094747/https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-serology

    "‘Herd immunity’, also known as ‘population immunity’, is a concept used for vaccination, in which a population can be protected from a certain virus if a threshold of vaccination is reached."

    One should note, that comparisons of this kind may get more difficult in the future. What happens if the Wayback Machine goes down permanently? We will live in a perpetual NOW where reality is defined by retconning officialdom.

    Replies: @res

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @res

    Not sure this is really interesting, for the claimed original definition of vaccines conferring "immunity" has been wrong since at least the 1950s introduction of the totally "leaky" Salk type inactivated whole virus polio vaccine. Which doesn't prevent gut infections from this fecal-oral route disease but protects the body from it advancing to paralysis. The best fit for the US population with our high medical budget once enough people got vaccinated with either it or the Sabin type attenuated live virus vaccine. Which will "sterilize" your gut, but has a couple of ways it will give people paralytic polio.

    And let's get serious, infectious disease control and the US CDC? I trust the new director who has a 100% infectious disease control background prior to this first government job, plus she's classically too nerdly honest to be a real political type like Saint Fauci, and her intuition is great, "impending doom" indeed from Delta.

    But for our public health community infectious disease control has been unfashionable for a long time, and the CDC had shown their incompetence with it long before COVID, like in the swine flu and Ebola outbreaks. Trusting their hospital guidelines for the latter was directly responsible for those two nurses getting it, it didn't even reflect the standards then existing in Africa. So note the CDC director has to depend on staff from that community, and I don't trust them to do anything but collect and tally numbers, like vaccinations and deaths.

    Replies: @res

  66. The vaccine is meant to kill us off.

    And it’s working…

    I know 3 people directly…2 of whom now have shortened lifespans from the vaccine, the third had a problem but treatable (hopefully)

    I know 2 people indirectly with stroke and prickly nerve damage in extremities

    Only one of the above is a woman, 2 of the above are men with liberal wives who I suspect are very excited at the soon to be demise of their husbands…and yes one couple is Young and just had a baby (she was always using him for money…as I overheard before the Bachelorette Party ‘Husband #1!’ Not joking…I overheard that on top of many other things…she got the expensive house…now onto Husband #2)

    The young couple…the husband despite being in the hospital for the last 2 weeks…is planning for the booster because “Imagine if the vaccine did this to me…what would Covid have done?”

    Even the doctors (as this is not the USA) were sorta kinda saying that it very well may have been the vaccine that caused this…not outright, but they did not, like in the USA, dismiss it….they said it was probable but they had no direct proof

    • Thanks: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  67. @Jack D
    @Bappi Lahiri

    https://www.news10.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/64/2021/04/suspect-new-photos-east-harlem-asian-man-attacked-april-2021.jpg?w=960&h=540&crop=1

    https://www.news10.com/news/ny-news/nypd-arrest-1-in-attack-that-left-asian-victim-comatose/

    https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/35d4dac27d78462893aaab2c23dbff07/800.jpeg

    https://apnews.com/article/brandon-elliot-arrested-attacked-65-year-old-asian-woman-741b8c594e1f288cf753b9e5a99e9ed4

    https://pix11.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/25/2021/05/suspect-in-west-side-attack.png?w=1280&h=720&crop=1

    https://pix11.com/news/local-news/manhattan/arrest-hells-kitchen-asian-hate-crime-attack-man-beat-bitten/

    They really need to outlaw security cameras and the publication of photos from these cameras. Security cameras be racis'.

    Replies: @tyrone

    “outlaw security cameras”…….now wait second, what are we gonna’ do for entertainment.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @tyrone

    “outlaw security cameras”…….now wait second, what are we gonna’ do for entertainment.

    You can watch World Star Hip-Hop, like everyone else.

  68. @AndrewR
    @Anon

    The Maori word for non-Maori is pākehā not gringo, you clown.

    Replies: @Bridgeport_IPA, @Gjkhhjjjkbbv

    Nobody cares, ha’ole.

  69. @anonymous
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    European Journal of Epidemiology study -

    'Increases in COVID-19 are UNRELATED to levels of vaccination across 68 countries'
    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7

    by S. V. Subramanian, affiliated with the Harvard Center for Population and Development Studies, and Harvard Chan School of Public Health
    https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/study-by-harvard-researcher-find-countries-with-lowest-covid-19-vaccination-rates-have-fewer-cases-of-covid-than-fully-vaccinated-countries/
    https://i.ibb.co/4WnB2TH/eur-jrnl-epidemiology-lede.jpg

    Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @SafeNow, @That Would Be Telling, @Mr. Anon

    But what about the SEVERITY of the cases?

  70. @Mr. Peabody
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    Latest news: "Studies show vaccine is over 90% effective in 12 year olds."
    Uh-huh.

    Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    There is absolutely no scientific or medical justification for vaccinating children with this experimental vaccine for a virus that has a fatality rate of 0.02% for kids under the age of 17. These vaccines are non-sterilizing, thus do not prevent coronavirus infections. The risks far out way any benefit. They do not prevent kids from getting infected and spreading the virus and they will still force the vaccinated kids to wear masks in school.

    • Replies: @anonymous coward
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco


    that has a fatality rate of 0.02% for kids under the age of 17
     
    You're off by several orders of magnitude, the real number is something like 0.0002% or less.
  71. New Zealand is Exhibit A on why women should not be allowed to vote, hold office, and participate in most jobs in the workforce. Our ancestors knew well the nature of women, and thus wisely suppressed them.

  72. @anonymous
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    European Journal of Epidemiology study -

    'Increases in COVID-19 are UNRELATED to levels of vaccination across 68 countries'
    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7

    by S. V. Subramanian, affiliated with the Harvard Center for Population and Development Studies, and Harvard Chan School of Public Health
    https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/study-by-harvard-researcher-find-countries-with-lowest-covid-19-vaccination-rates-have-fewer-cases-of-covid-than-fully-vaccinated-countries/
    https://i.ibb.co/4WnB2TH/eur-jrnl-epidemiology-lede.jpg

    Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @SafeNow, @That Would Be Telling, @Mr. Anon

    It’s a “Correspondence” to the journal, not even a study, and it’s garbage, as the Pajeet authors should have told you. For a full treatment see here, easiest to understand and most damning is they only used 7 day windows. Worse is they only score cases, not the much higher rates at which vaccines prevent serious illness or death. But there’s more!

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @That Would Be Telling

    Let me tell you how it will be
    Mandate for you, but not for me
    Cos I'm the vaxman yeah, I'm the vaxman

    Should 95% per cent appear too small
    Be thankful I don't vax you all
    Cos I'm the vaxman, yeah I'm the vaxman

    You need the vax to drive on the street
    You need the vax for that restaurant seat
    If you die of the flu (bro), I’ll change the sheet
    If you work in IT, I'll vax Pajeet

    Vaxman!
    Cos I'm the vaxman, yeah I'm the vaxman

    Don't ask me what You need it for (Aahh Dr. Fauci)
    If you don't want the jab to make your shoulder sore (Aahh Mr. Utu)
    Cos I'm the vaxman yeah, I'm the vaxman

    Now my advice for those who die
    Just think of Pfizer’s bottom line
    Cos I'm the vaxman, yeah, I'm the vaxman

    And don’t tell me ‘bout no herd immunity!
    Vaxman!

  73. @Anon

    Maori or Pacific Islanders, who make up about a quarter of the overall population
     
    Translation: One quarter of the population has one quarter of a percent or more Islander ancestry.

    It's the same as Australian aborigines. I've been watching streamed New Zealand television dramas, and there are a lot of actors that the internet tells me are "Maori." Yeah, right.

    I betcha the gang members are the guys that are akshually Maori, like half or more.

    Also, the gringos in New Zealand, judging from the shows, have a habit of incessantly using little snippets of Maori language, along the lines of "Aloha" in Hawaii. And when I look up these phrases and words, the internet tells me that they are incorrect or misused or some such, in almost all cases. When will this cultural appropriation stop!

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AndrewR, @Bardon Kaldian, @Clyde

    Also, the gringos in New Zealand, judging from the shows, have a habit of incessantly using little snippets of Maori language, along the lines of “Aloha” in Hawaii.

    Their rugby and soccer teams like-love to do the Maori fight dance + chanting called Haka, against the other teams. To strike fear into their hearts. (Clowns!) What an SWPL goof! What else can you expect from a nation being run into the ground by a female hypochondriac El Presidente or whatever she is. I am in the process of selling off my final countdown bunker in NZ.

  74. @res
    @Mr. Anon

    Thanks. Can you provide the before and after versions? Or just a link to the present versions? I would really like to see the change timing and content documented with Internet Archive links.

    P.S. I tried comparing May 1st and current versions of the CDC glossary and did not see a change like that.
    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/terms/glossary.html
    https://web.archive.org/web/20210503163606/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/terms/glossary.html
    https://www.copyscape.com/compare.php

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @That Would Be Telling

    Thanks. Can you provide the before and after versions? Or just a link to the present versions? I would really like to see the change timing and content documented with Internet Archive links.

    Perhaps they have not updated their glossary yet. However, here’s an MSM story about the change on the CDC’s “Immunization: The Basics” website:

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254111268.html

    with links to the before and after versions:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20210826113846/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm

    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm

    Does the CDC really know that much more about vaccination in September than they did in August? And – if what they are now saying is true – that vaccines are only intended to confer “protection” rather than immunity – does that mean they’ve been selling the public a line of BS about all the other vaccinations they’ve been recommending over the years?

    And here are comparisons of the WHO’s definitions of herd immunity:

    Before:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20201023093420/https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-serology

    “Herd immunity is the indirect protection from an infectious disease that happens when a population is immune either through vaccination or immunity developed through previous infection. This means that even people who haven’t been infected, or in whom an infection hasn’t triggered an immune response, they are protected because people around them who are immune can act as buffers between them and an infected person. The threshold for establishing herd immunity for COVID-19 is not yet clear.”

    After:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20201124094747/https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-serology

    “‘Herd immunity’, also known as ‘population immunity’, is a concept used for vaccination, in which a population can be protected from a certain virus if a threshold of vaccination is reached.”

    One should note, that comparisons of this kind may get more difficult in the future. What happens if the Wayback Machine goes down permanently? We will live in a perpetual NOW where reality is defined by retconning officialdom.

    • Replies: @res
    @Mr. Anon

    Thanks. I strongly agree with your concern here.


    One should note, that comparisons of this kind may get more difficult in the future. What happens if the Wayback Machine goes down permanently? We will live in a perpetual NOW where reality is defined by retconning officialdom.
     
  75. What about our own Gang-Americans? They’ve been historically marginalized and are probably exhausted trying to do…whatever.

  76. @Mr Mox

    They aren’t just any criminals, they are mongrel criminals.
     
    The crime in these misunderstood mongrels is only skin deep.

    https://i.imgur.com/tt6N3xz.jpg

    Replies: @Joe S.Walker, @Jack Armstrong, @Reg Cæsar, @Buffalo Joe

    Looks like someone pushed Robin Williams into a blueberry pie.

  77. @anonymous
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    European Journal of Epidemiology study -

    'Increases in COVID-19 are UNRELATED to levels of vaccination across 68 countries'
    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7

    by S. V. Subramanian, affiliated with the Harvard Center for Population and Development Studies, and Harvard Chan School of Public Health
    https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/study-by-harvard-researcher-find-countries-with-lowest-covid-19-vaccination-rates-have-fewer-cases-of-covid-than-fully-vaccinated-countries/
    https://i.ibb.co/4WnB2TH/eur-jrnl-epidemiology-lede.jpg

    Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @SafeNow, @That Would Be Telling, @Mr. Anon

    Commenter “That Would Be Telling” (or, if you prefer, “That Would Be Shilling”) doesn’t like your study. He wants you to use his study. Bio-medical research papers always include a conflict of interest statement such as “no conflict of interest declared”. I wonder if TWBT can honestly say as much?

  78. @Jack D
    @Wilkey


    For some reason Japan and Taiwan and South Korea and Indonesia and Israel aren’t expected to take any of them in.
     
    Always remember to bring Israel into your arguments, even if it is irrelevant.

    Actually Israel has a fairly large Filipino community (do they count as Pacific Islanders?). Their main job seems to be taking care of elderly Jewish ladies (most of the extremely elderly are female - the men kick off sooner) so their kids don't have to.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Wilkey, @That Would Be Telling, @Bill Jones

    Always remember to bring Israel into your arguments, even if it is irrelevant.

    This is to make up for the press always forgetting to bring Israel into its arguments, even when it’s literally right next door to the country sending all the refugees. Lots of MSM was complaining about Hungary putting up a fence to keep the refugees out, but literally all of them conveniently failed to mention the safe, prosperous country right next door that wasn’t accepting any.

    And I’ve questioned why Japan and South Korea weren’t expected to take in Syrian refugees plenty of times.

  79. @ic1000
    I read the actual NYT article. No "upside-down journalism," every paragraph is another Establishment talking point. Is there a "Least Curious Journalist" award? How would I go about nominating Natasha Frost?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Is there a “Least Curious Journalist” award?

    That would be like a “Tallest Basketball Player Award” or “Most Socially Awkward Mensa Member Award” or some such.

    Far to many potential entrants.

    • LOL: Buffalo Joe
  80. @Jack D
    @Wilkey


    For some reason Japan and Taiwan and South Korea and Indonesia and Israel aren’t expected to take any of them in.
     
    Always remember to bring Israel into your arguments, even if it is irrelevant.

    Actually Israel has a fairly large Filipino community (do they count as Pacific Islanders?). Their main job seems to be taking care of elderly Jewish ladies (most of the extremely elderly are female - the men kick off sooner) so their kids don't have to.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Wilkey, @That Would Be Telling, @Bill Jones

    Always remember to bring Israel into your arguments, even if it is irrelevant.

    Yeah, far too many people think pointing out hypocrisy is a strong argument. Our enemies don’t give a damn about it, and we already know it, so why bother??

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @That Would Be Telling


    Yeah, far too many people think pointing out hypocrisy is a strong argument. Our enemies don’t give a damn about it, and we already know it, so why bother??
     
    Hypocrisy should be leveraged. A "you first" strategy. "We're waiting for leadership... by example."

    OT, to Steve on the West Coast waiting: donovanosis, the "flesh-eating STD", has reached our shores, or at least the White Cliffs of Dover. No time to be mellow or yellow.


    ‘Flesh-Eating’ STD that causes ‘Beefy Red’ sores is spreading in UK




    And teacher "violence" in Riverside.
  81. @Bappi Lahiri
    Dear white people: Keep ANY talk about South Asians out of your damn mouths if you think you’re gonna try to use us as ANY KIND of wedge against our Black and brown friends and neighbors. This shit will not be tolerated and you will be shut the fuck down.

    Replies: @onetwothree, @Jack Armstrong, @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar, @Marty T

  82. @Jack D

    mongrel criminals
     
    To what extent are Maoris actual mongrels? I have the impression that most Australian "Aborigines" (especially the kind that get gigs as professors of diversity studies and such) are about as aboriginal as Elizabeth Warren is an Indian. But it is my impression that the Maoris are less admixed than either the Aborigines or American Indians so that they still look like Maoris - you don't see many people claiming to be "Maoris" with blond hair and blue eyes. Even Taika David Cohen (known professionally as Taika Waititi) looks like he has a decent amount of Polynesian blood (either that or he has been liberally applying the bronzer):

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Taika_Waititi_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg

    Or maybe Maori looks are just more resistant to being bred out. Australian Aboriginal appearance is notoriously recessive - it has been known to disappear even in 1 generation.

    Replies: @TWS, @Ed Case, @sb, @Anonymous

    “Mongrel” was a term of abuse in NZ and Australia back in the Sixties when the Mongrel Mob kicked off.
    ”Bastard” was another one, not taken literally.

  83. @AndrewR
    @Anon

    The Maori word for non-Maori is pākehā not gringo, you clown.

    Replies: @Bridgeport_IPA, @Gjkhhjjjkbbv

    So what? It’s a different word in a different language, but it means the same thing.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Gjkhhjjjkbbv

    No it doesn't, but go off, kang!

  84. @That Would Be Telling
    @anonymous

    It's a "Correspondence" to the journal, not even a study, and it's garbage, as the Pajeet authors should have told you. For a full treatment see here, easiest to understand and most damning is they only used 7 day windows. Worse is they only score cases, not the much higher rates at which vaccines prevent serious illness or death. But there's more!

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    Let me tell you how it will be
    Mandate for you, but not for me
    Cos I’m the vaxman yeah, I’m the vaxman

    Should 95% per cent appear too small
    Be thankful I don’t vax you all
    Cos I’m the vaxman, yeah I’m the vaxman

    You need the vax to drive on the street
    You need the vax for that restaurant seat
    If you die of the flu (bro), I’ll change the sheet
    If you work in IT, I’ll vax Pajeet

    Vaxman!
    Cos I’m the vaxman, yeah I’m the vaxman

    Don’t ask me what You need it for (Aahh Dr. Fauci)
    If you don’t want the jab to make your shoulder sore (Aahh Mr. Utu)
    Cos I’m the vaxman yeah, I’m the vaxman

    Now my advice for those who die
    Just think of Pfizer’s bottom line
    Cos I’m the vaxman, yeah, I’m the vaxman

    And don’t tell me ‘bout no herd immunity!
    Vaxman!

  85. Its Street Gangs May Hold the Key

    Its Street Gangs May Hold the Kiwi

    Isn’t the local term for mobs of violent young men rugby sides?

    New Zealand is a lucrative market for methamphetamine, and gang members have been among those caught in major police stings.

    Great. The Maori have a monopoly on the export of jade, and will use that to develop a monopoly on the import of meth. For the whites who used to process the jade, who now have nothing to do.

    Except Liam Thompson.

  86. @res
    @Mr. Anon

    Thanks. Can you provide the before and after versions? Or just a link to the present versions? I would really like to see the change timing and content documented with Internet Archive links.

    P.S. I tried comparing May 1st and current versions of the CDC glossary and did not see a change like that.
    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/terms/glossary.html
    https://web.archive.org/web/20210503163606/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/terms/glossary.html
    https://www.copyscape.com/compare.php

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @That Would Be Telling

    Not sure this is really interesting, for the claimed original definition of vaccines conferring “immunity” has been wrong since at least the 1950s introduction of the totally “leaky” Salk type inactivated whole virus polio vaccine. Which doesn’t prevent gut infections from this fecal-oral route disease but protects the body from it advancing to paralysis. The best fit for the US population with our high medical budget once enough people got vaccinated with either it or the Sabin type attenuated live virus vaccine. Which will “sterilize” your gut, but has a couple of ways it will give people paralytic polio.

    And let’s get serious, infectious disease control and the US CDC? I trust the new director who has a 100% infectious disease control background prior to this first government job, plus she’s classically too nerdly honest to be a real political type like Saint Fauci, and her intuition is great, “impending doom” indeed from Delta.

    But for our public health community infectious disease control has been unfashionable for a long time, and the CDC had shown their incompetence with it long before COVID, like in the swine flu and Ebola outbreaks. Trusting their hospital guidelines for the latter was directly responsible for those two nurses getting it, it didn’t even reflect the standards then existing in Africa. So note the CDC director has to depend on staff from that community, and I don’t trust them to do anything but collect and tally numbers, like vaccinations and deaths.

    • Replies: @res
    @That Would Be Telling


    Not sure this is really interesting
     
    You responding in such a fashion is decidedly unsurprising.

    If Mr. Anon's timeline is accurate you don't find the timing the least little bit interesting?

    The twists and turns of the COVID-19 narrative (e.g. pre-election Democratic opposition to the "Trump vaccine" converting to full throated advocacy of the vaccine after the election) have been fascinating. I hope someday someone writes an accurate history of the Covidiocy. Perhaps your efforts here will garner at least a footnote?

    Replies: @res, @Mr. Anon

  87. @Stogumber
    @Anon

    Anon, how do you know that Steve lives in an expensive house? I only can hope that this is true - given that I am mostly (with occasional exceptions) reading as a free-rider here, the message would relieve my conscience.

    Replies: @TWS, @Expletive Deleted

    He has garage doors.
    Count ’em and weep.

  88. @That Would Be Telling
    @res

    Not sure this is really interesting, for the claimed original definition of vaccines conferring "immunity" has been wrong since at least the 1950s introduction of the totally "leaky" Salk type inactivated whole virus polio vaccine. Which doesn't prevent gut infections from this fecal-oral route disease but protects the body from it advancing to paralysis. The best fit for the US population with our high medical budget once enough people got vaccinated with either it or the Sabin type attenuated live virus vaccine. Which will "sterilize" your gut, but has a couple of ways it will give people paralytic polio.

    And let's get serious, infectious disease control and the US CDC? I trust the new director who has a 100% infectious disease control background prior to this first government job, plus she's classically too nerdly honest to be a real political type like Saint Fauci, and her intuition is great, "impending doom" indeed from Delta.

    But for our public health community infectious disease control has been unfashionable for a long time, and the CDC had shown their incompetence with it long before COVID, like in the swine flu and Ebola outbreaks. Trusting their hospital guidelines for the latter was directly responsible for those two nurses getting it, it didn't even reflect the standards then existing in Africa. So note the CDC director has to depend on staff from that community, and I don't trust them to do anything but collect and tally numbers, like vaccinations and deaths.

    Replies: @res

    Not sure this is really interesting

    You responding in such a fashion is decidedly unsurprising.

    If Mr. Anon’s timeline is accurate you don’t find the timing the least little bit interesting?

    The twists and turns of the COVID-19 narrative (e.g. pre-election Democratic opposition to the “Trump vaccine” converting to full throated advocacy of the vaccine after the election) have been fascinating. I hope someday someone writes an accurate history of the Covidiocy. Perhaps your efforts here will garner at least a footnote?

    • Replies: @res
    @res

    Boy, a troll flag from one of the biggest trolls here. Remember everyone, a troll flag is a good sign either the flagger OR flaggee is a troll. It is up to you to decide which. Though lately the flagger seems a better bet.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    , @Mr. Anon
    @res


    If Mr. Anon’s timeline is accurate you don’t find the timing the least little bit interesting?
     
    I did reply to your post, but it hasn't shown up on the board yet. I'll summarize it again here.

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254111268.html

    Before:

    web.archive.org/web/20210826113846/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm

    After:

    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm

    And the WHO's definition of herd immunity:

    https://www.abc10.com/article/news/verify/verify-changes-who-definition-herd-immunity-not-secret/507-f90c0199-c88e-4c66-8313-b4ae6e2a72ad

    Before:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20201023093420/https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-serology

    After:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20201124094747/https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-serology

    Of course, neither of the above mentioned news outlets find this "interesting" any more than does commenter "That Would Be Trolling".
  89. @Travis
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    Vaccination mandates and mask mandates have nothing to do with COVID. These are methods the oligarchs use to force people to submit to their power and to punish those who dissent or question those in power. It was never about stopping the spread of the a respiratory virus with a fatality rate comparable to the flu.. They have known masks would not work since the start, yet mask mandates remain despite 75% of the population being vaccinated. Once they reach 90% they will require boosters and the mask mandates will remain.

    https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1451656491870527489?s=20
    Mask mandates and vaccinations did not stop the spread in New Zealand, or anywhere in the world. Because neither masks nor the vaccines stop people from spreading COVID.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Alt Right Moderate

    Mask mandates and vaccinations did not stop the spread in New Zealand, or anywhere in the world. Because neither masks nor the vaccines stop people from spreading COVID.

    It appears that masks are not effective at all. At best they remind people or prevent them from touching their faces with their (possibly infected) hands. It is more an outward sign of obedience to the fear mongers.

    Vaxes probably reduce rates of transmission but I don’t read much about that. With the persistence of COVID even in vaxxed people, or those with prior infections, the Wuhan Institute of Virology/CDC Fauci virus has had quite a “gain of function” since development.

    Eventually with regular boosters (for those who do that) and other more serious social problems (rampant inflation/depression/etc.) this COVID madness will die down. The most vulnerable will be culled from the herd and few even crazed Dem politicians want to ride a failed one-trick pony for too long. The 2022 US elections may well put a stopper in that bottle of mandates.

    If small “democratic” authoritarian regimes in countries like Israel or N. Zealand can’t eliminate COVID over time with harsh measures, who can?

    Let’s watch CCP China. Their Sinovac stuff is widely given but few mentions are made of hard data about COVID rates. Or how honest they are in China. Sinovac is among the least effective preventives yet we are told that “all is well in China” etc. They have learned to live with it and have plenty of Chinese to spare. This will be our future, like it or not.

  90. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    Actually Israel has a fairly large Filipino community
     
    What’s “a fairly large” number in context of Israel’s size?

    Back when I spent time in Israel, I saw some Thais there, who’d been brought in for agricultural work. My Israeli counterpart would say that, because of them, Israel had the best Thai food in the world (“Um, no, I don’t think so…”).

    Apparently there are about 10,o00 Chinese in Israel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_people_in_Israel

    While discrimination against Chinese people in Israel is not a common phenomenon, in 2001, then-labor and social affairs minister Shlomo Benizri said: "I just don't understand why a restaurant needs a slant-eye to serve me my meal",[15] a comment which was called “racist” in the Israeli press.[12]

    In 2003, The Guardian claimed that Chinese workers at an unspecified company had been required to agree not to have sex with or marry Israeli women, including prostitutes, as a condition of getting a job. A police spokesperson said that there was nothing illegal about the requirement and that no investigation had been opened. Israeli lawyers, however, claim that these contracts violate Israeli law and would not be enforceable.[16]
     

    Replies: @Jack D

    Supposedly 30,000 to 50,000

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipinos_in_Israel

    As a percentage of population, this would be equivalent to having 1.5 million in the US.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jack D

    This part from your link is interesting:


    In 2006, about 900 Filipino children were granted permanent residency in Israel, with that status to be extended to their parents and other family members once the children completed their military service.[7]
     
  91. @That Would Be Telling
    @Jack D


    Always remember to bring Israel into your arguments, even if it is irrelevant.
     
    Yeah, far too many people think pointing out hypocrisy is a strong argument. Our enemies don't give a damn about it, and we already know it, so why bother??

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Yeah, far too many people think pointing out hypocrisy is a strong argument. Our enemies don’t give a damn about it, and we already know it, so why bother??

    Hypocrisy should be leveraged. A “you first” strategy. “We’re waiting for leadership… by example.”

    OT, to Steve on the West Coast waiting: donovanosis, the “flesh-eating STD”, has reached our shores, or at least the White Cliffs of Dover. No time to be mellow or yellow.

    ‘Flesh-Eating’ STD that causes ‘Beefy Red’ sores is spreading in UK

    And teacher “violence” in Riverside.

  92. @Jack Armstrong
    @Nick Cho

    More nuance please.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    Justice Reiser, dissenting:

  93. A government grant of about \$2 million to a drug rehabilitation program ..

    I am so sick and tired government-oriented approaches to deal with (not solve) problems. When I see some [Pelosi supporter] who OD’d in SF Civic Center Plaza, I don’t dial 9-1-1. I call public works to ask them to send some yahoo out to sweep him up (but I’m hopelessly big government).

  94. @Anon
    Steve, you were too much of a pu**y to openly endorse Trump, so in spite of your impressive work you are a failure as a man. You were always afraid to follow the obvious practical conclusions of your (very public) train of thought. Hey have a good few last years in Sunny California though!! ? I wish I got to have a house that expensive.

    Replies: @Shouting Thomas, @notbe, @Stogumber, @ic1000, @AndrewR, @Reg Cæsar

    Steve has never endorsed anybody. That’s not his function.

    Back to gangs and their trustworthiness:

    VIDEO: Bloods-turned-Crips member sitting in Bronx barbershop chair shot by two gunmen sharing one weapon

  95. Does New Zealand have Maori “no go” neighborhoods the way the US/UK have no go black nabes?

  96. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    Supposedly 30,000 to 50,000

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipinos_in_Israel

    As a percentage of population, this would be equivalent to having 1.5 million in the US.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    This part from your link is interesting:

    In 2006, about 900 Filipino children were granted permanent residency in Israel, with that status to be extended to their parents and other family members once the children completed their military service.[7]

  97. @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    Does anyone actually believe getting the vaccination rate to 90% from 85% will slow the spread of this endemic virus ?

    The most vaccinated states in America , like Vermont and Maine were at 90% vaccination rates yet had higher rates of coronavirus after 90% were vaccinated compared to 2020 when nobody was vaccinated. These vaccines don’t actually prevent the spread of coronavirus and they seem to stop working after 7 months, which is why a third shot will soon be required to be counted among the “fully vaccinated” like in Israel.

    It’s amazing how quick the narrative changed from “the vaccines are 90% effective” to “you must get vaccinated to protect others”. Similar to the fraudulent claims about masks when they told us “my mask protects you , your mask protects me” now they insist everyone must get vaxxed to protect other vaccinated folks from catching Coronavirus despite the evidence which demonstrates the vaccinated are spreading the virus more than the unvaxxed and are more likely to be asymptomatic, thus the vaxxed are the current super spreaders.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Rooster111, @Travis, @Mr. Peabody, @Gamecock, @HA

    “The most vaccinated states in America , like Vermont and Maine were at 90% vaccination rates yet had higher rates of coronavirus after 90% were vaccinated compared to 2020 when nobody was vaccinated.”

    You forgot to mention the fact that lockdowns, when “compared to 2020”, are far less stringent in the current year. Are you arguing for a return to those?

    Secondly, even though rates of infection did go up with the arrival of the more infectious delta strain, the death rate is significantly lower, and coming mostly from the unvaccinated. Yes, the immunity goes down after about six months — just like how the vaccine for the regular flu works — and in that sense, it’s nice the just-a-flu bros finally got something sort of right, at least as far as vaccines go.

    And lastly, I’m not sure why you even care about Maine and Vermont since in terms of COVID damage they are both at the bottom of the list (#47 and #51, to be more precise) — hey, I wonder if that has anything to do with being among “the most vaccinated states in America”? Nah, I’m sure it’s just a totally random coincidence. But I’m guessing your decision to focus on them has something to do with the fact that when the numbers are as low as theirs are, the graphs get noisy indeed (Maine, which has twice as many people as Vermont, peaked at 6 COVID deaths a day this time around, down from 11 at the earlier peak), but like I said it’s noisy, and it’s therefore easier to twist the numbers around.

    In general, if you’re scraping the bottom of the barrel to try and make your argument work, that says a lot more about your argument than anything you’re likely to scrape up. Note that according to the second link, the COVID death-rate-per-million-inhabitants in Maine is about 835 (and is even lower — 563 — in Vermont). In Texas, that number is currently 2,400. Yeah, being among the “most vaccinated states” sure is proving to be a tough road.

  98. @Wilkey
    @Steve Sailer


    New Zealand’s gangs have a long history, often inspired by similar American groups.
     
    Australia and New Zealand are under increasing pressure to accept Pacific Islander immigrants, supposedly as "climate refugees." For some reason Japan and Taiwan and South Korea and Indonesia and Israel aren't expected to take any of them in, even though Taiwan is probably where Pacific Islanders originated, a few thousand years ago. Pacific Islanders aren't native to Australia at all, though a few were brought there as workers in the late 1800s.

    Utah has a fairly large Polynesian community, thanks to early Mormon success in missionary work among them. There was even, very briefly, a failed Polynesian colony in Utah in the late 1800s called Iosepa. To be fair, if you went there you'd easily understand why it failed.

    A lot of Polynesians like to mimic black culture. They like rap, and there is no such thing as a Polynesian who doesn't love football, though the more cultured ones prefer rugby. On the plus side, they are generally friendlier and not remotely as violent as blacks. But the men still tend to have a bad case of Alpha Male Syndrome, and they don't quite like being told what to do. They also breed a lot more rapidly than pretty much anyone else. Birthrates do seem to be coming down quite a bit, but not as quickly as whites or other groups.

    My suggestion is that the USA spin off Hawaii and make it the official capital of a unified Pacific Islander nation. They can nationalize the property owned by Mark Zuckerberg and other "American" billionaires, and settle the climate refugees there. They could do a lot worse. They'd be much happier in Hawaii than in New Zealand.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Twinkie, @Corn

    Fun in the sun. Gonna be alot of Foreign Service pukes jockeying to be the first US ambassador to the Republic of Oceania.

  99. @Mr Mox

    They aren’t just any criminals, they are mongrel criminals.
     
    The crime in these misunderstood mongrels is only skin deep.

    https://i.imgur.com/tt6N3xz.jpg

    Replies: @Joe S.Walker, @Jack Armstrong, @Reg Cæsar, @Buffalo Joe

    Mr.Mox, the tattoos say “look at me” and then the mongrel says “Wadda lookin at.”

  100. @Jack D
    @Wilkey


    For some reason Japan and Taiwan and South Korea and Indonesia and Israel aren’t expected to take any of them in.
     
    Always remember to bring Israel into your arguments, even if it is irrelevant.

    Actually Israel has a fairly large Filipino community (do they count as Pacific Islanders?). Their main job seems to be taking care of elderly Jewish ladies (most of the extremely elderly are female - the men kick off sooner) so their kids don't have to.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Wilkey, @That Would Be Telling, @Bill Jones

    Where does Israel get fairly large Filipino’s from?

    All the ones I know are little guys. Do they have special breeding programs?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Bill Jones

    Dennis Rodman's dad has been working on solving the Short Filipino Basketball Player problem.

  101. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Anon

    Celebrating Māori Leadership


    https://terauora.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/oranga-hinengar_48430966-e1603143109488.png

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Bardon, ah yes, the barcode on the chin is a dead give away.

  102. @Anon
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    Different Anon here. (Thanks for the link). Unfortunately, one has to recount also the anecdotes.
    1) Having lunch with six friends recently, we found out two knew women, one in Madrid and one in MEXICO City, that needed stent surgery of the left renal vein (?). One was 43, the other early fifties. Both had thought it was some urinary tract infection issue are were quite shocked to learn it was vascular.
    2) A good friend’s son, 26 years old and very fit, just surprisingly developed an arrhythmia. Further studies revealed the need for surgery, he came out of the operation room with a defribillator and a pacemaker. He was discharged from the hospital this past Friday, October 22. I am not sure the family has made the connection with the vaccine.

    Replies: @HA

    “A good friend’s son, 26 years old and very fit, just surprisingly developed an arrhythmia.”

    Yes, and if we’re going with “a good friend’s son” anecdotes, we might as well go with this:

    People vaccinated against COVID-19 less likely to die of other causes – study

    People who received two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were 34% as likely to die of any non-COVID-19 cause as those who were not vaccinated, while people who received two doses of the Moderna vaccine were 31% as likely to die as those who were unvaccinated. In comparison, people who received the Johnson & Johnson vaccine were 54% as likely to die as unvaccinated people,..

    The story cites a study by the CDC. Even if true, people who don’t bother to get vaccinated are probably more risk prone on average, and less concerned with heath, so that their higher mortality is presumably just a reflection of that. But that will complicate the overall issue of how well vaxxed vs. unvaxxed are doing.

    Of course to the anti-vaxxers looking for one more rationalization to get over their fear of the vaccine needles, they can just dump this study in the “ignore bin” while scouring Facebook for more “good friend’s son” anecdotes that align with their ideology. I mean, plenty of 90-year-olds seem to have done just fine with this vaccine, apart from a day or so of flu-like symptoms. To the extent a “very fit” 26-year-olds are keeling over or getting pacemakers after taking them, maybe they’re not as healthy as these anecdotes would have us believe, and maybe they would have had a rougher-than-average time with COVID, too. Though I’m still sorry a good friend’s 26-year-old son has to deal with a pacemaker. That is admittedly likely to cause some understandable what-if-I-had-done-it-differently thinking among all those concerned.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @HA


    Of course to the anti-vaxxers looking for one more rationalization to get over their fear of the vaccine needles........
     
    Again with this bulls**t. Nobody is afraid of needles, you stupid twit. They're afraid of a.) what's in them, and more importantly b.) what's behind them.

    Replies: @HA

    , @Anon
    @HA

    I know the mother and was with her the day before the surgery, you fool. Medicine is not “one size fits all”, notwithstanding stupid “most-people-CDC-studies”.

    I could keep going with the anecdotes, heart attacks in a 35 year old guy, and a mid-forties woman. But lacking public awareness and autopsies, we’ll never know, will we? After all, “most people” have to die some day.

    It’s some kind of Immaculate Vaccine dogma, to think these vaccines are safe for all.

    Replies: @Anon, @HA

  103. @Colin Wright
    I like 'pearl-clutching.' That's a useful way of trivializing outrage about almost anything.

    'All the pearl-clutching about the recent string of rapes in our neighborhood...'

    'All the pearl-clutching over the fate of the German expellees...'

    'All the pearl-clutching over the dog meat found in McDonald's hamburgers...'

    'All the pearl-clutching about how I shot your cat and poisoned the trick-or-treaters...'

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Veteran Aryan

    I find it odd that the New York Times would unself-consciously use the dismissive adjective “pearl clutching” when it is in the forefront of pearl-clutching when reporting news stories. Isn’t the NYT constantly pearl-clutching about tiny, often imagined affronts to the feelings of minorities?

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  104. @res
    @That Would Be Telling


    Not sure this is really interesting
     
    You responding in such a fashion is decidedly unsurprising.

    If Mr. Anon's timeline is accurate you don't find the timing the least little bit interesting?

    The twists and turns of the COVID-19 narrative (e.g. pre-election Democratic opposition to the "Trump vaccine" converting to full throated advocacy of the vaccine after the election) have been fascinating. I hope someday someone writes an accurate history of the Covidiocy. Perhaps your efforts here will garner at least a footnote?

    Replies: @res, @Mr. Anon

    Boy, a troll flag from one of the biggest trolls here. Remember everyone, a troll flag is a good sign either the flagger OR flaggee is a troll. It is up to you to decide which. Though lately the flagger seems a better bet.

    • Agree: Mike Tre
    • Troll: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @res

    (couldn't resist)

  105. Could the anti-vax losers stop hijacking every thread please

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Jorgejorgu


    Could the anti-vax losers stop hijacking every thread please.
     
    I would say the same about the hysteric COVID neurotics like you.
  106. @res
    @res

    Boy, a troll flag from one of the biggest trolls here. Remember everyone, a troll flag is a good sign either the flagger OR flaggee is a troll. It is up to you to decide which. Though lately the flagger seems a better bet.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    (couldn’t resist)

    • LOL: res
  107. This again begs the question…. A perk of being elite is that one can visit Paris, or London or hide away in New Zealand yet the elites are turning this beautiful bolt hole into the same third world sewage pit they’ve transformed London and Paris into. I have to think our elites are insane true believers of the Eric Hoffer variety.

  108. @Gjkhhjjjkbbv
    @AndrewR

    So what? It’s a different word in a different language, but it means the same thing.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    No it doesn’t, but go off, kang!

  109. @res
    @That Would Be Telling


    Not sure this is really interesting
     
    You responding in such a fashion is decidedly unsurprising.

    If Mr. Anon's timeline is accurate you don't find the timing the least little bit interesting?

    The twists and turns of the COVID-19 narrative (e.g. pre-election Democratic opposition to the "Trump vaccine" converting to full throated advocacy of the vaccine after the election) have been fascinating. I hope someday someone writes an accurate history of the Covidiocy. Perhaps your efforts here will garner at least a footnote?

    Replies: @res, @Mr. Anon

    If Mr. Anon’s timeline is accurate you don’t find the timing the least little bit interesting?

    I did reply to your post, but it hasn’t shown up on the board yet. I’ll summarize it again here.

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254111268.html

    Before:

    web.archive.org/web/20210826113846/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm

    After:

    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm

    And the WHO’s definition of herd immunity:

    https://www.abc10.com/article/news/verify/verify-changes-who-definition-herd-immunity-not-secret/507-f90c0199-c88e-4c66-8313-b4ae6e2a72ad

    Before:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20201023093420/https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-serology

    After:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20201124094747/https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-serology

    Of course, neither of the above mentioned news outlets find this “interesting” any more than does commenter “That Would Be Trolling”.

    • Thanks: res
  110. @HA
    @Anon

    "A good friend’s son, 26 years old and very fit, just surprisingly developed an arrhythmia."


    Yes, and if we're going with "a good friend's son" anecdotes, we might as well go with this:


    People vaccinated against COVID-19 less likely to die of other causes - study

    People who received two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were 34% as likely to die of any non-COVID-19 cause as those who were not vaccinated, while people who received two doses of the Moderna vaccine were 31% as likely to die as those who were unvaccinated. In comparison, people who received the Johnson & Johnson vaccine were 54% as likely to die as unvaccinated people,..
     

    The story cites a study by the CDC. Even if true, people who don't bother to get vaccinated are probably more risk prone on average, and less concerned with heath, so that their higher mortality is presumably just a reflection of that. But that will complicate the overall issue of how well vaxxed vs. unvaxxed are doing.

    Of course to the anti-vaxxers looking for one more rationalization to get over their fear of the vaccine needles, they can just dump this study in the "ignore bin" while scouring Facebook for more "good friend's son" anecdotes that align with their ideology. I mean, plenty of 90-year-olds seem to have done just fine with this vaccine, apart from a day or so of flu-like symptoms. To the extent a "very fit" 26-year-olds are keeling over or getting pacemakers after taking them, maybe they're not as healthy as these anecdotes would have us believe, and maybe they would have had a rougher-than-average time with COVID, too. Though I'm still sorry a good friend's 26-year-old son has to deal with a pacemaker. That is admittedly likely to cause some understandable what-if-I-had-done-it-differently thinking among all those concerned.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Anon

    Of course to the anti-vaxxers looking for one more rationalization to get over their fear of the vaccine needles……..

    Again with this bulls**t. Nobody is afraid of needles, you stupid twit. They’re afraid of a.) what’s in them, and more importantly b.) what’s behind them.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Mr. Anon

    "Nobody is afraid of needles, you stupid twit."

    Seriously? You have no problem with speaking (yet again) on behalf of the "anti-vaxxer just-a-flu bros" that the paragraph in question was explicitly referencing, and instead get upset over being exposed as the crybaby, needle-phobic tantrum-monkey that you are?

    Way to hone in on what's really important. COVID aside, you really need to address those inadequacy issues. I hear there are pills for that.

  111. @tyrone
    @Jack D

    "outlaw security cameras".......now wait second, what are we gonna' do for entertainment.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    “outlaw security cameras”…….now wait second, what are we gonna’ do for entertainment.

    You can watch World Star Hip-Hop, like everyone else.

  112. @Bill Jones
    @Jack D

    Where does Israel get fairly large Filipino's from?

    All the ones I know are little guys. Do they have special breeding programs?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Dennis Rodman’s dad has been working on solving the Short Filipino Basketball Player problem.

  113. @Mr. Anon
    @res


    Thanks. Can you provide the before and after versions? Or just a link to the present versions? I would really like to see the change timing and content documented with Internet Archive links.
     
    Perhaps they have not updated their glossary yet. However, here's an MSM story about the change on the CDC's "Immunization: The Basics" website:

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254111268.html

    with links to the before and after versions:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20210826113846/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm

    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm

    Does the CDC really know that much more about vaccination in September than they did in August? And - if what they are now saying is true - that vaccines are only intended to confer "protection" rather than immunity - does that mean they've been selling the public a line of BS about all the other vaccinations they've been recommending over the years?

    And here are comparisons of the WHO's definitions of herd immunity:

    Before:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20201023093420/https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-serology

    "Herd immunity is the indirect protection from an infectious disease that happens when a population is immune either through vaccination or immunity developed through previous infection. This means that even people who haven’t been infected, or in whom an infection hasn’t triggered an immune response, they are protected because people around them who are immune can act as buffers between them and an infected person. The threshold for establishing herd immunity for COVID-19 is not yet clear."

    After:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20201124094747/https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-serology

    "‘Herd immunity’, also known as ‘population immunity’, is a concept used for vaccination, in which a population can be protected from a certain virus if a threshold of vaccination is reached."

    One should note, that comparisons of this kind may get more difficult in the future. What happens if the Wayback Machine goes down permanently? We will live in a perpetual NOW where reality is defined by retconning officialdom.

    Replies: @res

    Thanks. I strongly agree with your concern here.

    One should note, that comparisons of this kind may get more difficult in the future. What happens if the Wayback Machine goes down permanently? We will live in a perpetual NOW where reality is defined by retconning officialdom.

    • Agree: ic1000
  114. @Travis
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    Vaccination mandates and mask mandates have nothing to do with COVID. These are methods the oligarchs use to force people to submit to their power and to punish those who dissent or question those in power. It was never about stopping the spread of the a respiratory virus with a fatality rate comparable to the flu.. They have known masks would not work since the start, yet mask mandates remain despite 75% of the population being vaccinated. Once they reach 90% they will require boosters and the mask mandates will remain.

    https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1451656491870527489?s=20
    Mask mandates and vaccinations did not stop the spread in New Zealand, or anywhere in the world. Because neither masks nor the vaccines stop people from spreading COVID.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Alt Right Moderate

    The reason the New Zealand government is pushing for very high vaccination rates is because they have finally conceded they can’t stop the virus spreading (and eliminate deaths) through their traditional go-to, over-the-top lockdowns. Hence, they are now belatedly trying to vaccinate as many people as possible before the government-friendly media starts to turn on them.

    The NZ government has bragged about how much better they have handled the virus than other countries, and now their day of reckoning has finally arrived they are getting nervous. They also rely a lot on Maoris and Polynesians for votes, and unvaccinated Maoris and Polynesians are more vulnerable than other groups because of their high obesity rates.

    And yes, there are lockdowns hawks on the left who think the government has gone cavalier crazy and should lockdown for another year.

    • Replies: @Mike1
    @Alt Right Moderate

    Nope that is their public messaging. Jacinda is trained by the WEF an is following the playbook to the letter (quite literally - a lot of NZ laws are word perfect copies of WEF documents or their UN equivalents).

    Also the lockdowns haven't stopped in any way. Huge parts of the population are currently in harsh lockdown status.

    , @BB753
    @Alt Right Moderate

    The stuff they're injecting in people's arms dubbed vaccines ( though they're something radically different in nature) do not prevent infection or spread. If they were actual vaccines they'd be termed non-neutralizing vaccines.
    It makes no difference to vax 90% or 100% or 10 % of the population for that matter.
    The government knows this fact, pharmaceutical companies know too and doctors know it too. Journalists apparently do not. Can we please stop the charade?

    Replies: @HA

  115. @notbe
    @Anon

    steve, was not a pu**sy, he was just too realistic to openly endorse trump. trump even in the beginning, was a weakling-not up to the real challenge of being a president, and the chief manager of a bureaucracy that openly despised him

    Replies: @Veteran Aryan, @Ron Mexico

    and the chief manager of a bureaucracy that openly despised him

    As would be any candidate who attempted to represent the typical American voter.

    • Agree: Ron Mexico
  116. @Bappi Lahiri
    Dear white people: Keep ANY talk about South Asians out of your damn mouths if you think you’re gonna try to use us as ANY KIND of wedge against our Black and brown friends and neighbors. This shit will not be tolerated and you will be shut the fuck down.

    Replies: @onetwothree, @Jack Armstrong, @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar, @Marty T

    Actually I think we’re more likely to use the east asians and hispanics against the rest of you. Thanks for the tip though!

  117. @Mr. Anon
    @HA


    Of course to the anti-vaxxers looking for one more rationalization to get over their fear of the vaccine needles........
     
    Again with this bulls**t. Nobody is afraid of needles, you stupid twit. They're afraid of a.) what's in them, and more importantly b.) what's behind them.

    Replies: @HA

    “Nobody is afraid of needles, you stupid twit.”

    Seriously? You have no problem with speaking (yet again) on behalf of the “anti-vaxxer just-a-flu bros” that the paragraph in question was explicitly referencing, and instead get upset over being exposed as the crybaby, needle-phobic tantrum-monkey that you are?

    Way to hone in on what’s really important. COVID aside, you really need to address those inadequacy issues. I hear there are pills for that.

  118. @Colin Wright
    I like 'pearl-clutching.' That's a useful way of trivializing outrage about almost anything.

    'All the pearl-clutching about the recent string of rapes in our neighborhood...'

    'All the pearl-clutching over the fate of the German expellees...'

    'All the pearl-clutching over the dog meat found in McDonald's hamburgers...'

    'All the pearl-clutching about how I shot your cat and poisoned the trick-or-treaters...'

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Veteran Aryan

    I like ‘pearl-clutching.’ That’s a useful way of trivializing outrage about almost anything.

    So, you’re pearl-clutching about all the pearl-clutching?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Veteran Aryan

    'So, you’re pearl-clutching about all the pearl-clutching?'

    Need I point out what you're doing?

  119. @Jorgejorgu
    Could the anti-vax losers stop hijacking every thread please

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Could the anti-vax losers stop hijacking every thread please.

    I would say the same about the hysteric COVID neurotics like you.

  120. @onetwothree
    @Bappi Lahiri

    Thank god these two sockpuppets are on the insta-approve list. Unz.com workin' smooth!

    Replies: @TWS, @Almost Missouri

    Thank god these two sockpuppets are on the insta-approve list.

    The comments are coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE!

  121. @Jack D

    mongrel criminals
     
    To what extent are Maoris actual mongrels? I have the impression that most Australian "Aborigines" (especially the kind that get gigs as professors of diversity studies and such) are about as aboriginal as Elizabeth Warren is an Indian. But it is my impression that the Maoris are less admixed than either the Aborigines or American Indians so that they still look like Maoris - you don't see many people claiming to be "Maoris" with blond hair and blue eyes. Even Taika David Cohen (known professionally as Taika Waititi) looks like he has a decent amount of Polynesian blood (either that or he has been liberally applying the bronzer):

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Taika_Waititi_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg

    Or maybe Maori looks are just more resistant to being bred out. Australian Aboriginal appearance is notoriously recessive - it has been known to disappear even in 1 generation.

    Replies: @TWS, @Ed Case, @sb, @Anonymous

    OTOH
    I’ve regularly heard that there are no 100% Maoris still around and that this has been the case for some time .
    Whereas there are still 100% Aboriginals still around in northern and central Australia ( but of course Australia is a pretty big place and I’ve seen reports that there were aborigines who had no white contact till the 1930s if not later )
    But can’t really swear to the veracity of these statements

    • Replies: @Mike1
    @sb

    Young Maori females are attractive. The settlers bred early and often with indigenous NZers. There are no full blood Maori left and hasn't been for a while. Maori, while technically stone age, were fairly sophisticated before contact.

    Aboriginal women from Australia are frequently incredibly unattractive from a Western viewpoint. There was inter breeding but it was more from the escaped convict side of the spectrum. Aboriginals are very dysfunctional from a Western viewpoint. They lived in a manner indistinguishable from wild animals pre contact.

  122. Anon[232] • Disclaimer says:
    @HA
    @Anon

    "A good friend’s son, 26 years old and very fit, just surprisingly developed an arrhythmia."


    Yes, and if we're going with "a good friend's son" anecdotes, we might as well go with this:


    People vaccinated against COVID-19 less likely to die of other causes - study

    People who received two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were 34% as likely to die of any non-COVID-19 cause as those who were not vaccinated, while people who received two doses of the Moderna vaccine were 31% as likely to die as those who were unvaccinated. In comparison, people who received the Johnson & Johnson vaccine were 54% as likely to die as unvaccinated people,..
     

    The story cites a study by the CDC. Even if true, people who don't bother to get vaccinated are probably more risk prone on average, and less concerned with heath, so that their higher mortality is presumably just a reflection of that. But that will complicate the overall issue of how well vaxxed vs. unvaxxed are doing.

    Of course to the anti-vaxxers looking for one more rationalization to get over their fear of the vaccine needles, they can just dump this study in the "ignore bin" while scouring Facebook for more "good friend's son" anecdotes that align with their ideology. I mean, plenty of 90-year-olds seem to have done just fine with this vaccine, apart from a day or so of flu-like symptoms. To the extent a "very fit" 26-year-olds are keeling over or getting pacemakers after taking them, maybe they're not as healthy as these anecdotes would have us believe, and maybe they would have had a rougher-than-average time with COVID, too. Though I'm still sorry a good friend's 26-year-old son has to deal with a pacemaker. That is admittedly likely to cause some understandable what-if-I-had-done-it-differently thinking among all those concerned.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Anon

    I know the mother and was with her the day before the surgery, you fool. Medicine is not “one size fits all”, notwithstanding stupid “most-people-CDC-studies”.

    I could keep going with the anecdotes, heart attacks in a 35 year old guy, and a mid-forties woman. But lacking public awareness and autopsies, we’ll never know, will we? After all, “most people” have to die some day.

    It’s some kind of Immaculate Vaccine dogma, to think these vaccines are safe for all.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Anon

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10128653/Millionaire-hotel-tycoon-33-collapses-dies-London-address.html#comments

    , @HA
    @Anon

    "I know the mother and was with her the day before the surgery, you fool."

    OK. And how does this affect the analysis in the least? That's right -- it doesn't.

    Medicine is not “one size fits all”, notwithstanding stupid “most-people-CDC-studies”.

    Stupd "most-people-CDC-studies" certainly trump personal anecdotal data which is what you're giving us. If you can't admit that, stop preaching to me about what medicine is and isn't, and what is and isn't stupid.

    "I could keep going with the anecdotes, heart attacks in a 35 year old guy, and a mid-forties woman. But lacking public awareness and autopsies, we’ll never know, will we?"

    Given that those who got the shot are dying at measurably lower rates, not just from COVID, but all other causes, we're not as in the dark as you make us out to be, unless we happen to be so idiotic that we think that we're somehow exempt from “most-people-CDC-studies” and the rules simply don't apply to us.

    "It’s some kind of Immaculate Vaccine dogma, to think these vaccines are safe for all."

    No one said they were safe. What they're saying is that taking them reduces your chances of dying from COVID, and packing a hospital or ER to the extent that there isn't enough space for those who might need to be there for something not as preventable.

  123. @Alt Right Moderate
    @Travis

    The reason the New Zealand government is pushing for very high vaccination rates is because they have finally conceded they can't stop the virus spreading (and eliminate deaths) through their traditional go-to, over-the-top lockdowns. Hence, they are now belatedly trying to vaccinate as many people as possible before the government-friendly media starts to turn on them.

    The NZ government has bragged about how much better they have handled the virus than other countries, and now their day of reckoning has finally arrived they are getting nervous. They also rely a lot on Maoris and Polynesians for votes, and unvaccinated Maoris and Polynesians are more vulnerable than other groups because of their high obesity rates.

    And yes, there are lockdowns hawks on the left who think the government has gone cavalier crazy and should lockdown for another year.

    Replies: @Mike1, @BB753

    Nope that is their public messaging. Jacinda is trained by the WEF an is following the playbook to the letter (quite literally – a lot of NZ laws are word perfect copies of WEF documents or their UN equivalents).

    Also the lockdowns haven’t stopped in any way. Huge parts of the population are currently in harsh lockdown status.

  124. @sb
    @Jack D

    OTOH
    I've regularly heard that there are no 100% Maoris still around and that this has been the case for some time .
    Whereas there are still 100% Aboriginals still around in northern and central Australia ( but of course Australia is a pretty big place and I've seen reports that there were aborigines who had no white contact till the 1930s if not later )
    But can't really swear to the veracity of these statements

    Replies: @Mike1

    Young Maori females are attractive. The settlers bred early and often with indigenous NZers. There are no full blood Maori left and hasn’t been for a while. Maori, while technically stone age, were fairly sophisticated before contact.

    Aboriginal women from Australia are frequently incredibly unattractive from a Western viewpoint. There was inter breeding but it was more from the escaped convict side of the spectrum. Aboriginals are very dysfunctional from a Western viewpoint. They lived in a manner indistinguishable from wild animals pre contact.

  125. @Alt Right Moderate
    @Travis

    The reason the New Zealand government is pushing for very high vaccination rates is because they have finally conceded they can't stop the virus spreading (and eliminate deaths) through their traditional go-to, over-the-top lockdowns. Hence, they are now belatedly trying to vaccinate as many people as possible before the government-friendly media starts to turn on them.

    The NZ government has bragged about how much better they have handled the virus than other countries, and now their day of reckoning has finally arrived they are getting nervous. They also rely a lot on Maoris and Polynesians for votes, and unvaccinated Maoris and Polynesians are more vulnerable than other groups because of their high obesity rates.

    And yes, there are lockdowns hawks on the left who think the government has gone cavalier crazy and should lockdown for another year.

    Replies: @Mike1, @BB753

    The stuff they’re injecting in people’s arms dubbed vaccines ( though they’re something radically different in nature) do not prevent infection or spread. If they were actual vaccines they’d be termed non-neutralizing vaccines.
    It makes no difference to vax 90% or 100% or 10 % of the population for that matter.
    The government knows this fact, pharmaceutical companies know too and doctors know it too. Journalists apparently do not. Can we please stop the charade?

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @HA
    @BB753

    "It makes no difference to vax 90% or 100% or 10 % of the population for that matter."

    It evidently does if you want to reduce the number of hospitalizations and deaths from COVID, given that the overwhelming majority of those who are doing the dying from COVID are unvaxxed. To the extent you want to keep acting as if their dying and clogging up the ICU's for everyone else who might need them "makes no difference", that sociopathic charade is on you.

    Replies: @anonymous coward, @BB753

  126. Anonymous[485] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    mongrel criminals
     
    To what extent are Maoris actual mongrels? I have the impression that most Australian "Aborigines" (especially the kind that get gigs as professors of diversity studies and such) are about as aboriginal as Elizabeth Warren is an Indian. But it is my impression that the Maoris are less admixed than either the Aborigines or American Indians so that they still look like Maoris - you don't see many people claiming to be "Maoris" with blond hair and blue eyes. Even Taika David Cohen (known professionally as Taika Waititi) looks like he has a decent amount of Polynesian blood (either that or he has been liberally applying the bronzer):

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Taika_Waititi_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg

    Or maybe Maori looks are just more resistant to being bred out. Australian Aboriginal appearance is notoriously recessive - it has been known to disappear even in 1 generation.

    Replies: @TWS, @Ed Case, @sb, @Anonymous

    Lots of nonsense on this thread, but the actual answer is 60% Polynesian on average, as of a decade ago).

    Lots of whitish looking people do identify as Maori, but it’s usually not really like the Australian cases that have been posted (though that phenomenon does exist in NZ as well, and that practice is made easy by traditional Maori beliefs defining anyone with any Maori ancestry or whakapapa as Maori). Usually in NZ these people have immediate family that look far more Polynesian and are culturally fully Maori. Often these whitish looking people really were raised in Maori culture (such as it is today). It’s just that Maori are so heavily multi-generationally admixed that a Maori parent and a white parent are quite likely to have whitish looking kids.

    Waititi’s friend Jemaine Clement is a good example of an ethnically ambiguous looking guy of (partial) Maori descent. His father was white and genetically he’s probably no more than a quarter Maori, but he was raised by his Maori grandmother and his Maori mother, who named him Jemaine after her crush Jermaine Jackson, alongside siblings who have Maori names, in a heavily Maori area, and in a stereotypically Maori social environment (absent dad, mum often on the dole). Of course he’s going to identify as Maori.

    And NZ absolutely is a quarter Polynesian, with both Maori and PI populations growing. Also heavily Asian. People’s perception of NZ as super white always surprises me.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    The sentence was ambiguous and it's too late to edit it now, so just to clarify, it's the immediate family members that are "culturally fully Maori", not usually the whitish looking folks themselves, though you do get ambiguous looking people with two Maori parents sometimes.

  127. @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    Lots of nonsense on this thread, but the actual answer is 60% Polynesian on average, as of a decade ago).

    Lots of whitish looking people do identify as Maori, but it's usually not really like the Australian cases that have been posted (though that phenomenon does exist in NZ as well, and that practice is made easy by traditional Maori beliefs defining anyone with any Maori ancestry or whakapapa as Maori). Usually in NZ these people have immediate family that look far more Polynesian and are culturally fully Maori. Often these whitish looking people really were raised in Maori culture (such as it is today). It's just that Maori are so heavily multi-generationally admixed that a Maori parent and a white parent are quite likely to have whitish looking kids.

    Waititi's friend Jemaine Clement is a good example of an ethnically ambiguous looking guy of (partial) Maori descent. His father was white and genetically he's probably no more than a quarter Maori, but he was raised by his Maori grandmother and his Maori mother, who named him Jemaine after her crush Jermaine Jackson, alongside siblings who have Maori names, in a heavily Maori area, and in a stereotypically Maori social environment (absent dad, mum often on the dole). Of course he's going to identify as Maori.

    And NZ absolutely is a quarter Polynesian, with both Maori and PI populations growing. Also heavily Asian. People's perception of NZ as super white always surprises me.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The sentence was ambiguous and it’s too late to edit it now, so just to clarify, it’s the immediate family members that are “culturally fully Maori”, not usually the whitish looking folks themselves, though you do get ambiguous looking people with two Maori parents sometimes.

  128. @Anon
    @HA

    I know the mother and was with her the day before the surgery, you fool. Medicine is not “one size fits all”, notwithstanding stupid “most-people-CDC-studies”.

    I could keep going with the anecdotes, heart attacks in a 35 year old guy, and a mid-forties woman. But lacking public awareness and autopsies, we’ll never know, will we? After all, “most people” have to die some day.

    It’s some kind of Immaculate Vaccine dogma, to think these vaccines are safe for all.

    Replies: @Anon, @HA

  129. @El Dato
    Woah, I didn't know New Zealand is so much like the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

    the gang community
     

    profit-driven crime
     
    The NYT really is on another level. It' like touching the face of an Elephant God. Living in a porcelain shop in the sky.

    The Elephant God also identifies as pansexual and is BFF with Jehovah.

    Replies: @Getaclue

    NYSlimes…run by Irish isn’t it?

  130. @Anon
    @HA

    I know the mother and was with her the day before the surgery, you fool. Medicine is not “one size fits all”, notwithstanding stupid “most-people-CDC-studies”.

    I could keep going with the anecdotes, heart attacks in a 35 year old guy, and a mid-forties woman. But lacking public awareness and autopsies, we’ll never know, will we? After all, “most people” have to die some day.

    It’s some kind of Immaculate Vaccine dogma, to think these vaccines are safe for all.

    Replies: @Anon, @HA

    “I know the mother and was with her the day before the surgery, you fool.”

    OK. And how does this affect the analysis in the least? That’s right — it doesn’t.

    Medicine is not “one size fits all”, notwithstanding stupid “most-people-CDC-studies”.

    Stupd “most-people-CDC-studies” certainly trump personal anecdotal data which is what you’re giving us. If you can’t admit that, stop preaching to me about what medicine is and isn’t, and what is and isn’t stupid.

    “I could keep going with the anecdotes, heart attacks in a 35 year old guy, and a mid-forties woman. But lacking public awareness and autopsies, we’ll never know, will we?”

    Given that those who got the shot are dying at measurably lower rates, not just from COVID, but all other causes, we’re not as in the dark as you make us out to be, unless we happen to be so idiotic that we think that we’re somehow exempt from “most-people-CDC-studies” and the rules simply don’t apply to us.

    “It’s some kind of Immaculate Vaccine dogma, to think these vaccines are safe for all.”

    No one said they were safe. What they’re saying is that taking them reduces your chances of dying from COVID, and packing a hospital or ER to the extent that there isn’t enough space for those who might need to be there for something not as preventable.

  131. @BB753
    @Alt Right Moderate

    The stuff they're injecting in people's arms dubbed vaccines ( though they're something radically different in nature) do not prevent infection or spread. If they were actual vaccines they'd be termed non-neutralizing vaccines.
    It makes no difference to vax 90% or 100% or 10 % of the population for that matter.
    The government knows this fact, pharmaceutical companies know too and doctors know it too. Journalists apparently do not. Can we please stop the charade?

    Replies: @HA

    “It makes no difference to vax 90% or 100% or 10 % of the population for that matter.”

    It evidently does if you want to reduce the number of hospitalizations and deaths from COVID, given that the overwhelming majority of those who are doing the dying from COVID are unvaxxed. To the extent you want to keep acting as if their dying and clogging up the ICU’s for everyone else who might need them “makes no difference”, that sociopathic charade is on you.

    • Thanks: That Would Be Telling
    • Replies: @anonymous coward
    @HA


    given that the overwhelming majority of those who are doing the dying from COVID are unvaxxed
     
    No, it's that the majority of the unvaxxed are not PCR-tested.

    that sociopathic charade is on you
     
    He's not the one doing the sociopathic charade here.

    Replies: @HA

    , @BB753
    @HA

    What's your source for the assertion that the majority of those dying are unvaxxed? Not in Israel or the UK, they're not.
    As for the reduced mortality of COVID cases, hasn't it occurred to you, as most serious non- Big pharma bought scientists claim, that the latest strains are less lethal?

  132. If the gangs should overthrow the government, a government run by Maori gangs wouldn’t be any worse than the skirt dictatorship that they have now.

  133. @RonaldB
    @Dumbo

    Use your imagination. The gangs are going to branch out into enforcing the vaccine. The threat is, a motorcycle gang pulls up to a civilian and says "show me your vaccine passport". What happens to those who say "no".

    Replies: @Blankaerd

    That is going to be absolutely hilarious, I can already picture that happening.

  134. @Veteran Aryan
    @Colin Wright


    I like ‘pearl-clutching.’ That’s a useful way of trivializing outrage about almost anything.
     
    So, you're pearl-clutching about all the pearl-clutching?

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘So, you’re pearl-clutching about all the pearl-clutching?’

    Need I point out what you’re doing?

  135. @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    @Mr. Peabody

    There is absolutely no scientific or medical justification for vaccinating children with this experimental vaccine for a virus that has a fatality rate of 0.02% for kids under the age of 17. These vaccines are non-sterilizing, thus do not prevent coronavirus infections. The risks far out way any benefit. They do not prevent kids from getting infected and spreading the virus and they will still force the vaccinated kids to wear masks in school.

    Replies: @anonymous coward

    that has a fatality rate of 0.02% for kids under the age of 17

    You’re off by several orders of magnitude, the real number is something like 0.0002% or less.

  136. @HA
    @BB753

    "It makes no difference to vax 90% or 100% or 10 % of the population for that matter."

    It evidently does if you want to reduce the number of hospitalizations and deaths from COVID, given that the overwhelming majority of those who are doing the dying from COVID are unvaxxed. To the extent you want to keep acting as if their dying and clogging up the ICU's for everyone else who might need them "makes no difference", that sociopathic charade is on you.

    Replies: @anonymous coward, @BB753

    given that the overwhelming majority of those who are doing the dying from COVID are unvaxxed

    No, it’s that the majority of the unvaxxed are not PCR-tested.

    that sociopathic charade is on you

    He’s not the one doing the sociopathic charade here.

    • Replies: @HA
    @anonymous coward

    "No, it’s that the majority of the unvaxxed are not PCR-tested."

    Link? Or am I supposed to believe unsourced claims from an anti-vaxxer? As I understand it, if you come into a hospital insisting that you don't have COVID and just have "trouble breathing, or maybe pneumonia" they're gong to tell you to get that PCR test to verify your claim or else you get sent to the COVID ward anyway. If the "majority of the unvaxxed" are refusing to get a test to verify their status, that's on them.

    And anyway, if that's the way they feel, they should skip the hospital and drive to their local witch doctor, or homeopath, or feed store that dispenses Ivermectin. This wouldn't be a problem if the "won't trust the doctors" crowd didn't decide to cave in to the medical establishment and Big Pharma (because you'd better believe you'll get dosed up with plenty of their wares when they haul you into that ICU bed) once their breathing stops, their "we're not hurting anyone" schtick wouldn't sound as ridiculous. As it is, they keep clogging up those ICU's and emergency wards for people who are far more deserving of medical attention.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @anonymous coward

  137. @notbe
    @Anon

    steve, was not a pu**sy, he was just too realistic to openly endorse trump. trump even in the beginning, was a weakling-not up to the real challenge of being a president, and the chief manager of a bureaucracy that openly despised him

    Replies: @Veteran Aryan, @Ron Mexico

    “steve, was not a pu**sy”
    Anon said Steve was a “pu**y”, without the sstutter.

  138. @anonymous coward
    @HA


    given that the overwhelming majority of those who are doing the dying from COVID are unvaxxed
     
    No, it's that the majority of the unvaxxed are not PCR-tested.

    that sociopathic charade is on you
     
    He's not the one doing the sociopathic charade here.

    Replies: @HA

    “No, it’s that the majority of the unvaxxed are not PCR-tested.”

    Link? Or am I supposed to believe unsourced claims from an anti-vaxxer? As I understand it, if you come into a hospital insisting that you don’t have COVID and just have “trouble breathing, or maybe pneumonia” they’re gong to tell you to get that PCR test to verify your claim or else you get sent to the COVID ward anyway. If the “majority of the unvaxxed” are refusing to get a test to verify their status, that’s on them.

    And anyway, if that’s the way they feel, they should skip the hospital and drive to their local witch doctor, or homeopath, or feed store that dispenses Ivermectin. This wouldn’t be a problem if the “won’t trust the doctors” crowd didn’t decide to cave in to the medical establishment and Big Pharma (because you’d better believe you’ll get dosed up with plenty of their wares when they haul you into that ICU bed) once their breathing stops, their “we’re not hurting anyone” schtick wouldn’t sound as ridiculous. As it is, they keep clogging up those ICU’s and emergency wards for people who are far more deserving of medical attention.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @HA


    Link? Or am I supposed to believe unsourced claims from an anti-vaxxer?
     
    Heaven forfend! By all means, listen to the experts like Brian Stelter and Rachel Maddox! Dr (PBOH) Fauci loves you and cares at least as much for you as the beagles in Africa. Listen to nothing but Sailer, Unz, Fauci, and Maddox.

    Saves us the trouble of the “night of the pillow” boomer.

    Replies: @HA

    , @anonymous coward
    @HA


    And anyway, if that’s the way they feel, they should skip the hospital and drive to their local witch doctor, or homeopath, or feed store that dispenses Ivermectin.
     
    A good idea, considering that the vast majority of "Covid deaths" are due to ventilators and dexamethasone.

    Think of it this way: have you ever heard of somebody dying from Covid at home and not in the hospital? Me neither.

    Where are all those wild African bushpeople that should be dying like flies due to not having access to Covid hospitals?

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

  139. @HA
    @anonymous coward

    "No, it’s that the majority of the unvaxxed are not PCR-tested."

    Link? Or am I supposed to believe unsourced claims from an anti-vaxxer? As I understand it, if you come into a hospital insisting that you don't have COVID and just have "trouble breathing, or maybe pneumonia" they're gong to tell you to get that PCR test to verify your claim or else you get sent to the COVID ward anyway. If the "majority of the unvaxxed" are refusing to get a test to verify their status, that's on them.

    And anyway, if that's the way they feel, they should skip the hospital and drive to their local witch doctor, or homeopath, or feed store that dispenses Ivermectin. This wouldn't be a problem if the "won't trust the doctors" crowd didn't decide to cave in to the medical establishment and Big Pharma (because you'd better believe you'll get dosed up with plenty of their wares when they haul you into that ICU bed) once their breathing stops, their "we're not hurting anyone" schtick wouldn't sound as ridiculous. As it is, they keep clogging up those ICU's and emergency wards for people who are far more deserving of medical attention.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @anonymous coward

    Link? Or am I supposed to believe unsourced claims from an anti-vaxxer?

    Heaven forfend! By all means, listen to the experts like Brian Stelter and Rachel Maddox! Dr (PBOH) Fauci loves you and cares at least as much for you as the beagles in Africa. Listen to nothing but Sailer, Unz, Fauci, and Maddox.

    Saves us the trouble of the “night of the pillow” boomer.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Stan d Mute

    "By all means, listen to the experts like Brian Stelter and Rachel Maddox!"

    Feel free to peruse my comment history for anything making mention of either of those two. As it is, you seem to be doing a lot more listening to the likes of them than I do, since I have no idea what either of them say about COVID. And Fauci lost me the moment he lied to me about masks, so I'm not impressed with him either; if torturing beagles is enough to make him a villain in everyone else's eyes, I'm fine with that.

    But outside your little Facebook bubble, there's more to COVID then those three, even if you toss in Sailer and Unz -- I suspect neither of those two ever claimed to be experts on the disease, but I'm going to take a wild guess and say they probably have a much saner take on it than yours.

  140. @HA
    @anonymous coward

    "No, it’s that the majority of the unvaxxed are not PCR-tested."

    Link? Or am I supposed to believe unsourced claims from an anti-vaxxer? As I understand it, if you come into a hospital insisting that you don't have COVID and just have "trouble breathing, or maybe pneumonia" they're gong to tell you to get that PCR test to verify your claim or else you get sent to the COVID ward anyway. If the "majority of the unvaxxed" are refusing to get a test to verify their status, that's on them.

    And anyway, if that's the way they feel, they should skip the hospital and drive to their local witch doctor, or homeopath, or feed store that dispenses Ivermectin. This wouldn't be a problem if the "won't trust the doctors" crowd didn't decide to cave in to the medical establishment and Big Pharma (because you'd better believe you'll get dosed up with plenty of their wares when they haul you into that ICU bed) once their breathing stops, their "we're not hurting anyone" schtick wouldn't sound as ridiculous. As it is, they keep clogging up those ICU's and emergency wards for people who are far more deserving of medical attention.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @anonymous coward

    And anyway, if that’s the way they feel, they should skip the hospital and drive to their local witch doctor, or homeopath, or feed store that dispenses Ivermectin.

    A good idea, considering that the vast majority of “Covid deaths” are due to ventilators and dexamethasone.

    Think of it this way: have you ever heard of somebody dying from Covid at home and not in the hospital? Me neither.

    Where are all those wild African bushpeople that should be dying like flies due to not having access to Covid hospitals?

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @anonymous coward


    Think of it this way: have you ever heard of somebody dying from Covid at home and not in the hospital? Me neither.
     
    You should get out more, I've certainly heard of it. Of course, it's generally people too stupid to go to the hospital when their case gets bad enough. Note also there's a substantial fraction who suffer hypoxia and organ damage because they're not checking their blood oxygenation and getting supplemental oxygen when they need it.

    Where are all those wild African bushpeople that should be dying like flies due to not having access to Covid hospitals?
     
    The countries are firmly Third World in both not collecting much data about their populations and have population pyramids that look like a pyramid or triangle, many more young than old people.

    What do you have against dexamethasone or steroids in general as the standard of care for all people who require supplemental oxygen? What do you suggest hospitals do when both are insufficient to maintain blood oxygenation, other than put them on respirators, no matter how poor the prognosis is at that point.

    Replies: @HA

  141. @anonymous coward
    @HA


    And anyway, if that’s the way they feel, they should skip the hospital and drive to their local witch doctor, or homeopath, or feed store that dispenses Ivermectin.
     
    A good idea, considering that the vast majority of "Covid deaths" are due to ventilators and dexamethasone.

    Think of it this way: have you ever heard of somebody dying from Covid at home and not in the hospital? Me neither.

    Where are all those wild African bushpeople that should be dying like flies due to not having access to Covid hospitals?

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    Think of it this way: have you ever heard of somebody dying from Covid at home and not in the hospital? Me neither.

    You should get out more, I’ve certainly heard of it. Of course, it’s generally people too stupid to go to the hospital when their case gets bad enough. Note also there’s a substantial fraction who suffer hypoxia and organ damage because they’re not checking their blood oxygenation and getting supplemental oxygen when they need it.

    Where are all those wild African bushpeople that should be dying like flies due to not having access to Covid hospitals?

    The countries are firmly Third World in both not collecting much data about their populations and have population pyramids that look like a pyramid or triangle, many more young than old people.

    What do you have against dexamethasone or steroids in general as the standard of care for all people who require supplemental oxygen? What do you suggest hospitals do when both are insufficient to maintain blood oxygenation, other than put them on respirators, no matter how poor the prognosis is at that point.

    • Replies: @HA
    @That Would Be Telling

    "Think of it this way: have you ever heard of somebody dying from Covid at home and not in the hospital?"

    Yeah, plenty of times. You apparently don't read much.

    https://www.newsweek.com/covid-survivor-returns-home-hospital-unvaccinated-husband-dead-florida-1623215

    Try a search engine -- you can find more. And the real reason there's not more of that is -- as I already told you -- that these s0-called lions who think they're different from all us sheep overwhelmingly decide to slip the fluffy white wool on and head to the hospital once the breathing stops, at which point it's typically too late. So there's your real answer.

    As for Africa, I'm not sure how their testing and stats are, but they certainly did a fair amount of dying in places like India. But feel free to put "let's make our medical establishment more like the one in Africa!" on a placard and wave it around at the next anti-mask rally. I'm sure that'll go over well.

    Replies: @HA

  142. @That Would Be Telling
    @anonymous coward


    Think of it this way: have you ever heard of somebody dying from Covid at home and not in the hospital? Me neither.
     
    You should get out more, I've certainly heard of it. Of course, it's generally people too stupid to go to the hospital when their case gets bad enough. Note also there's a substantial fraction who suffer hypoxia and organ damage because they're not checking their blood oxygenation and getting supplemental oxygen when they need it.

    Where are all those wild African bushpeople that should be dying like flies due to not having access to Covid hospitals?
     
    The countries are firmly Third World in both not collecting much data about their populations and have population pyramids that look like a pyramid or triangle, many more young than old people.

    What do you have against dexamethasone or steroids in general as the standard of care for all people who require supplemental oxygen? What do you suggest hospitals do when both are insufficient to maintain blood oxygenation, other than put them on respirators, no matter how poor the prognosis is at that point.

    Replies: @HA

    “Think of it this way: have you ever heard of somebody dying from Covid at home and not in the hospital?”

    Yeah, plenty of times. You apparently don’t read much.

    https://www.newsweek.com/covid-survivor-returns-home-hospital-unvaccinated-husband-dead-florida-1623215

    Try a search engine — you can find more. And the real reason there’s not more of that is — as I already told you — that these s0-called lions who think they’re different from all us sheep overwhelmingly decide to slip the fluffy white wool on and head to the hospital once the breathing stops, at which point it’s typically too late. So there’s your real answer.

    As for Africa, I’m not sure how their testing and stats are, but they certainly did a fair amount of dying in places like India. But feel free to put “let’s make our medical establishment more like the one in Africa!” on a placard and wave it around at the next anti-mask rally. I’m sure that’ll go over well.

    • Replies: @HA
    @HA

    Sorry, I clicked on the wrong reply button -- my earlier comment was obviously a reply to "anonymous coward" not to what TWTB also said.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

  143. @Stan d Mute
    @HA


    Link? Or am I supposed to believe unsourced claims from an anti-vaxxer?
     
    Heaven forfend! By all means, listen to the experts like Brian Stelter and Rachel Maddox! Dr (PBOH) Fauci loves you and cares at least as much for you as the beagles in Africa. Listen to nothing but Sailer, Unz, Fauci, and Maddox.

    Saves us the trouble of the “night of the pillow” boomer.

    Replies: @HA

    “By all means, listen to the experts like Brian Stelter and Rachel Maddox!”

    Feel free to peruse my comment history for anything making mention of either of those two. As it is, you seem to be doing a lot more listening to the likes of them than I do, since I have no idea what either of them say about COVID. And Fauci lost me the moment he lied to me about masks, so I’m not impressed with him either; if torturing beagles is enough to make him a villain in everyone else’s eyes, I’m fine with that.

    But outside your little Facebook bubble, there’s more to COVID then those three, even if you toss in Sailer and Unz — I suspect neither of those two ever claimed to be experts on the disease, but I’m going to take a wild guess and say they probably have a much saner take on it than yours.

  144. @HA
    @That Would Be Telling

    "Think of it this way: have you ever heard of somebody dying from Covid at home and not in the hospital?"

    Yeah, plenty of times. You apparently don't read much.

    https://www.newsweek.com/covid-survivor-returns-home-hospital-unvaccinated-husband-dead-florida-1623215

    Try a search engine -- you can find more. And the real reason there's not more of that is -- as I already told you -- that these s0-called lions who think they're different from all us sheep overwhelmingly decide to slip the fluffy white wool on and head to the hospital once the breathing stops, at which point it's typically too late. So there's your real answer.

    As for Africa, I'm not sure how their testing and stats are, but they certainly did a fair amount of dying in places like India. But feel free to put "let's make our medical establishment more like the one in Africa!" on a placard and wave it around at the next anti-mask rally. I'm sure that'll go over well.

    Replies: @HA

    Sorry, I clicked on the wrong reply button — my earlier comment was obviously a reply to “anonymous coward” not to what TWTB also said.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @HA

    Yeah, no problem.

    And every time I think the antivaxxers have reached a new low, they surprise me. They see great significance in the FDA approving the first orally administrated blood thinner for children on June 21st, the current standard of care requires injections, obviously problematic for children.

    Are too pig ignorant to think outside their conspiracy box and for example discover clinical trials for this go back to at least 2010, obviously the drug company in between the one-off of SARS and the discover of MERS was prepared to pounce when COVID vaccinations for children became a thing.

    (A concept which is subject to legitimate debate, although I've yet to come across any anti-vaxxer who's aware male children are vaccinated for rubella (German measles) for public health/herd immunity reasons.)

  145. @HA
    @HA

    Sorry, I clicked on the wrong reply button -- my earlier comment was obviously a reply to "anonymous coward" not to what TWTB also said.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    Yeah, no problem.

    And every time I think the antivaxxers have reached a new low, they surprise me. They see great significance in the FDA approving the first orally administrated blood thinner for children on June 21st, the current standard of care requires injections, obviously problematic for children.

    Are too pig ignorant to think outside their conspiracy box and for example discover clinical trials for this go back to at least 2010, obviously the drug company in between the one-off of SARS and the discover of MERS was prepared to pounce when COVID vaccinations for children became a thing.

    (A concept which is subject to legitimate debate, although I’ve yet to come across any anti-vaxxer who’s aware male children are vaccinated for rubella (German measles) for public health/herd immunity reasons.)

  146. @HA
    @BB753

    "It makes no difference to vax 90% or 100% or 10 % of the population for that matter."

    It evidently does if you want to reduce the number of hospitalizations and deaths from COVID, given that the overwhelming majority of those who are doing the dying from COVID are unvaxxed. To the extent you want to keep acting as if their dying and clogging up the ICU's for everyone else who might need them "makes no difference", that sociopathic charade is on you.

    Replies: @anonymous coward, @BB753

    What’s your source for the assertion that the majority of those dying are unvaxxed? Not in Israel or the UK, they’re not.
    As for the reduced mortality of COVID cases, hasn’t it occurred to you, as most serious non- Big pharma bought scientists claim, that the latest strains are less lethal?

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