By renegade, they mean these people never say anything threatening. It really is a very lame “hello fellow kids” sort of thing.

I’m surprised you aren’t on that list, but I guess you’re not “respectable.” My partner is a fan of a bunch of the people on that list and we discuss it pretty often. Much of their commentary seems achingly close to iSteve, but watered down for the normies.

Steve, I was disappointed you weren’t identified as one of the bad people on the dark web, as opposed the NYT-approved dark webbers.

Ann Coulter, if you’re reading this, you should mention Steve Sailer’s name EVERY time you’re on TV.

I don’t have the patience to listen to talk when I could be reading.

Amen to that. A 30 minute YouTube video delivers information that I could read in three minutes. It makes me feel like I’m in prison.

This article is a limited walk-back, an attempt to peer out of the self-righteous echo chamber, while still maintaining a grotesquely Puritanical worldview.
The Devils are still hiding behind every green leaf in tbe Cathedral of Satan, but those Lutherans might not be quite as awful as we had thought.
Notably, almost none of the people named are real dissidents or are doing anything worth knowing about. Most can be described as ordinary people demonstrating that political correctness has gone completely out of control.

Most noticeably, they blacked you out, the dark web behind the dark web.

I view Richard Spencer as something of a buffoon, , but this is disturbing:

https://vdare.com/posts/richard-spencer-s-website-altright-com-de-registered-at-the-request-of-black-lady-civil-rights-lawyer

“Meet the Official Opposition”

Because the real opposition is far too dangerous to notice.

Yeah, just tepid left of center rebels.
How about the real deal like Sailer, Derbyshire, Goad and some of the Unz writers here. I could go on, but this galls me. Sounds like controlled opposition and not much of it at that.

Podcasts are for commutes. Currently I am working my way through Jordan Peterson’s Biblical series.

Of the 10 people Weiss lists above, 6 are Jewish. 2 are Muslims or former Muslims turned professional Islam critics. Murray is a gay atheist and Islam critic who rails against “Islamic fascism”. That leaves us with Peterson, who spends much of his time trying to police young right wingers. In other words, these 10 “renegades” are basically just neoconservatives that are less interested in foreign policy adventurism. In fact, Murray even wrote a book titled, Neoconservatism: Why We Need It.

I so agree. Why are so many sites turning to video when a simple print summary is so much shorter to read?

I don’t disagree about Jordan Peterson on whether he understands or, if he does, discusses, IQ issues. (And yes, I read that whole thread you mention under iSteve, BTW) As a spokesman of sorts against modern feminism. I think he’s the cat’s meow* though.

I thought I’d be the last guy to ever watch an hour and 40 minute video of two intellectuals sitting at a table talking, but Peterson’s discussion (after about 30 min. of talking about art and crap) with Camille Paglia had so much truth coming out, that I enjoyed it a good bit.

Again I have, no argument about who should be officially on the “dark” side, but I recommend young men listen to Jordan Peterson, along with reading Christina Hoff Sommers.

* Speaking of cats, I really liked your Neocon A to Neocon Z bit, it’s kind of Dr. Suess-like.

I don’t have the patience to listen to talk when I could be reading.

Exactly! Even the bias toward videos is an indicator of idiocrasy: (authors that cannot express themselves in plain English) + (audience that cannot get logic expressed in plain English).

I view Richard Spencer as something of a buffoon, ,but this is disturbing

I don’t think Spencer’s a “buffoon” — he’s pretty intelligent. He’s got a couple of Master’s degrees and was a doctoral student for a while. I do think he’s overrated, though.

But the censorship is disturbing. And that was a pretty milquetoast website as far as the alt-right goes…

Because stupid people.

“Peterson is so remarkably ignorant of IQ issues . . .”

Actually he is not. I’ve listened to some of his psychology lectures on the subject. He may be downplaying the nepotistic/ethnocentric angle, but that is a different issue.

I like podcasts and YouTube audio because I can do other things while listening. Reading is an all consuming activity.

Read between the lines. She’s promoting alternative media (i.e youtube) figures that are Zionist or have indicated that they aren’t threatening to the Zionist project.

Jonah Goldberg has an interesting (and somewhat dismissive) take on the article:

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/intellectual-dark-web-bari-weiss/

90% Jewish… Oy vey!

Zman, lame as they may be to a hardened reactionary like yourself, Jordan Peterson et al are the greatest gateway drugs ever. You have said yourself that we need respectable faces to front the new politics. These people open the door.

I don’t think Spencer’s a “buffoon” — he’s pretty intelligent. He’s got a couple of Master’s degrees and was a doctoral student for a while. I do think he’s overrated, though.

He’s an intelligent buffoon; plenty of those out there.

I just can’t stand you tube talks. Non only can a person read faster but there is often a long boring introduction.

Or maybe they remind me of sitting school or HR diversity sessions at work.
Just can’t stand them

Probably because the people who speak in the videos can’t write at any level. It’s nuch easier to just start talking.

Most don’t seem to organize the talks either. The talks are unorganized and difficult to listen to.

Cernovich, Alex Jones, Milo, and Stephan Molyneux are discussed in the article as scary loons that the harmless Dave Rubin types err in breaking bread with. Overall, as others have said, these are all center-left (Weinstein) to center-right (J Peterson) with a neo-con who claims to be an immigration hawk (Shapiro) thrown in. This guilt-by association is enough for Weiss to suggest that IDW figures are “cynical or stupid” to sit down with the likes of Jones. Y’know there’s a part of me that halfway agrees with the principle that certain figures should indeed be declared out of bounds–not because they break taboos, but because their silliness factor (Alex Jones in particular) is too high. But then I realize that once you start with the “well, some purges are OK” thinking, people like Weiss will just keep purging while moving the line closer and closer to the center and away from the right.

Agreed in every detail. Spencer’s a buffoon crossed with a publicity hound, and so foolish in public he sometimes has me wondering if he’s a fifth columnist. But I would defend to my dying breath his right to speak and be heard. This is distressing to say the least.

The only bright side would be if it were publicized that the Establishment is muzzling its critics, but I don’t see much about it in the Major Media. Meanwhile isn’t there a registrar in a country where free speech is still valued? Hungary or Poland?

Typical report, from the Daily Beast: “The alt-right movement might thrive online, but AltRight.com went offline Thursday evening, when its domain registrar cut ties with the toxic website. AltRight.com was founded by white nationalist Richard Spencer, who coined the racist movement’s name.”

Just in case you were wondering “how you should think about this.”

Aren’t the neocons essentially on the fringe of what progressives consider “acceptable discourse” now? They have gladly participated in the purging of so many people to their right, that the left is starting to come for them.

Their donors have to start asking questions about what they are getting for their money at some point too. If you views aren’t taken seriously by the left or by Trump supporters, just who exactly are you influencing? AEI and some of these other may be starting to adjust.

“just tepid left of center rebels”
Until recently, teaching at a leftist controlled liberal arts college would have been an EXCELLENT job, at least if you yourself were doing something real, and not simply promulgating leftism. Bret Weinstein and his wife lost their jobs by refusing to kowtow to the insanity. I don’t doubt for a moment that there are lot of men who internally hold much more “right wing” views, and yet are proud of the fact that they show up at their respectable jobs, do the work and “pay the bills”. And yet we will not see many of them standing up and denouncing the behavior of their employers.
Obviously Derbyshire (for one) lost a job, for saying things that I think are basically reasonable and true. But how many readers and commentators here have done anything as admirable as Bret Weinstein?

You didn’t set any facts straight in that comment, you made yourself look bad by citing Wordsum, which has a ceiling and a sample problem as an IQ test, isn’t very accurate with only 10 vocabulary questions, together with your usual thick servings of ad hominem and countersemitism. Really it just needed some 9-11 Truth in there.

Also as usual, you went after a strawman of “Jewish numbers at elite colleges and media is explained entirely by their IQ.” I’d say that is the single most important factor, but still only one of many.

You’re not familiar with the work of Ben Shapiro?

https://www.unz.com/?s=%22ben+shapiro%22&Action=Search&authors=steve-sailer&=&=&ptype=isteve&=&=&=

Not even a little?

“I don’t have the patience to listen to talk when I could be reading”

Me too. We’re not neurotypical.

The past couple years I’ve been enjoying movies and TV shows more by using VLC’s play at 110 or 120% feature. At 130% scripted entertainment becomes hard to follow at times. But public speeches and lectures I can often run at 150%.

FWIW, I personally don’t think it’s necessarily “bad form”, let alone very bad form, to duplicate comments on different threads. No one has the time or the patience to read through every single comment thread on the internet, so if you took the time and effort to compose a valuable comment on an issue in one forum I think it should be ok to repost it elsewhere.

I check in regularly at Vox Day’s site as he often has interesting things to say, but his current all-out assault on Jordan Peterson displays some of the flaws in his own personality: his compulsion to indulge in petty squabbles and need to constantly assert his own preeminence.

Peterson completely gave up (“I can’t do it”) at an event when somebody self-identifying as a Jew offered him a copy of Solzhenitsyn’s Two Hundred Years Together. He’s nobody special, he got caught up in this by being a normal liberal in a time of Bolsheviks, and now he’s clinging to the life-raft of acceptable opinion.

but I don’t have the patience to listen to talk when I could be reading.

No offense, but since you are a Baby Boomer I feel compelled to ask: were you aware that you can download podcasts on your smartphone, allowing you to listen to them while you’re doing some otherwise dreary and time consuming task like commuting, walking, doing dishes, et cetera?

Because I share your preference for reading over audio when possible, but I think the reason that podcasts are so popular among what Tyler Cowen calls “infovores” is that they’re a way to get extra information when you’re doing something that’s boring but you can’t read a book while you do it.

I have to imagine that Professor Peterson’s public reach is an order or two of magnitude above Vox’s, which I suspect is a source of jealously and frustration for Mr. Beale.

Hey wait a minute, I remember the Bret Weinstein thing when it happened, he wasn’t standing up to anybody or for anything. He’s a normie who hadn’t kept track of PC madness (or didn’t understand that it applied to him) and spoke under the impression that he was among friends.
>you know what we need to see more of is unemployment and suicides
I wonder who could be behind this post, which, against board culture, is anonymous?

Aren’t the neocons essentially on the fringe of what progressives consider “acceptable discourse” now?

I want to live in your world. In mine there was a massively popular TV show made by Israelis, the message of which was to worry about any veterans coming home from our glorious wars with less-than-worshipful attitudes about our glorious mission, because they were brainwashed Al-Qaeda sleeper agents. Oh and John Bolton is working again.

of what progressives consider “acceptable discourse” now?

The difference between a progressive and a neocon is a trivia spike to save for those discussions where “neocon” has to literally denote a direct student of Leo Strauss.

the toxic website. AltRight.com was founded by white nationalist Richard Spencer, who coined the racist movement’s name.

Just in case you were wondering “how you should think about this.”

When I see this stuff I see an instruction manual. Our media should use exactly the same techniques when mentioning the enemy. Maybe not all of our media. But the kind of daily beast tier media aimed at people who are not really all that smart.

And if we don’t have any such media, what the hell are we even doing?

Ann Coulter, if you’re reading this, you should mention Steve Sailer’s name EVERY time you’re on TV.

Maybe she can wangle him a role in the next Sharknado. If Anthony Weiner can do it, so can Steve– a 6’4″ public intellectual. Bring on those fishies!

The only true renegade to me is someone who is anti-war and anti-immigration. None of these people fit the bill, how are they renegade? Yawn.

It is cringeworthy. I have read the posts there more often than not for the past several years, and don’t regret it, but it strikes me that he is engaging in what he himself would otherwise call “total gamma behavior”. It does strike me that this reveals a flaw in the whole “sexual hierarchy” framework that he sometimes promulgates: the different levels that he articulates do not necessarily reveal the fundamental nature of an individual, but are always existing options for anyone, even if one tends to get habituated to one or the other.
Unfortunately, in one his genuinely more illuminating recent posts, he explained how the only person who never really failed him was Tolkien, but Tolkien is dead, so he’s not going to give personal advice. Vox obviously reads Sailer, so if he reads this I urge him to seriously consider whether he has gone off track. Ditch all of the petty squabbles and self-assertion. You’re doing good. You don’t need that stuff.

Note that several strains of Christians outside the mainstream Mainline were busy forming their own institutions of learning, particularly Catholics, Lutherans, Methodists, Mormons, and Quakers. Jews, by and large, were not. That would affect the ratios enrolled.

“Lot’s endlessly-repeated claim of a Jewish IQ of 115:”

Keep flogging those strawmen, it impresses the countersemites so much!

I repeatedly stated that this is my guess for unmixed US Ashkenazi, and that Israeli Ashkenazi, mixed Jews, and non-Ashkenazi are lower. How many of those tests only looked at that group? Indeed, one of my last posts on the topic I said we should be a lot more careful on what group we are talking about. Also, in the very post you linked back to, *I explicitly accepted 110* as a reasonable assumption, for predicting the composition of very high IQ American whites, for the more heterogeneous group “Americans Jews in 2018.”

“Meet the Renegades of the Intellectual Dark Web”

These are dangerous renegades in the same sense that Cliff Richard or The Fonz were dangerous renegades.

Until recently, people like the ones mentioned weren’t allowed to exist in respectable leftwing society. They’re an indicator that a certain segment of the left is getting tired of leftism and is trying to inch away towards the middle. They’ll hang out in mid-stream for a while because that’s their new comfort zone, but some of them may eventually go farther into the alt-right once they get more psychologically used to pondering radical ideas. Frankly, I don’t know how any sane and intelligent person can stand academia nowadays. It must be a padded cell of barking dogmatism and spittle-flecked hysteria.

I check in regularly at Vox Day’s site as he often has interesting things to say, but his current all-out assault on Jordan Peterson displays some of the flaws in his own personality: his compulsion to indulge in petty squabbles and need to constantly assert his own preeminence.

Agree, I enjoy reading him, but he seems unhinged. Like Roissy (apologies, as you are probably on this thread, and you have made some intelligent posts that I have commented on), he is obsessed with proving that everyone who opposes him is a gamma male and everyone who agrees with him is an alpha.

I also find his habit of calling Trump “the God Emperor” a bit weird.

Apparently “renegade” means an idiot who believes minoroties shojkdnt have rights women need to shit up white privilege isn’t a problem and poor people can stiff it

Great news

Hopefully this place will be next

I have contacted the SPLC so I’ve done my part

Also read the comments at the NYT

The People are against you

Red Flags abound. Quillette mag editor Claire L is one of the common denominators, hosts for this milieu. A tweet like below reeks of a Neocon playing rope-a-dope. Just a release valve for a safely controlled opposition. They are terrified of any notion of blood & soil Nationalism, and aren’t willing to acknowledge that the Left are waging demographic war on White, Western countries.

I'm reasonably agnostic on the issue of immigration, there seem to be lots of good arguments on both sides. My biggest fear, though, is that prolonged mass immigration is likely to lead to an authoritarian far-right backlash. Europe being the obvious example.

— Claire Lehmann (@clairlemon) March 19, 2018

The author, Bari Weiss, is some WSJ Neocon who recently moved over to the NYT, and she’s presumably trying to rebrand some of her fellow Neocons as radical-rightists, thus giving them more appeal to the Daily Stormer crowd.

I’m no fan of young Miss Barium, but you’re being a bit too cynical there. She’s not the one who’s rebranded them as radical-rightists, the current mainstream left has. Brett Weinstein, for example, was forced out of a tenured professorship by a mob. Similarly, Claire Lehmann gets called a fascist. And so on.

I suppose you’re right that, if Weiss wanted to be a free speech hero, she could have gone to bat for the folks you give a platform to here; her goals are narrower than that, but they’re broader than your Neocon rehabilitation speculation.

All the guys and gals in the article are weak sauce because they don’t follow up on any of their observations, and the observations they do make are pretty obvious to anyone with eyes.

Men and women are biologically different you say? OK, mightn’t that imply that we should at least consider that they should be subject to differing legal and economic regimes? Are you open to discussing any of this? No? You just want to point that fact out and then do nothing?

Some cultures are superior to others you say? OK, so then what do we do if an ‘inferior’ culture is displacing a ‘superior’ culture by outbreeding them? Don’t wish to discuss that in your podcast? BTW, in a Darwinian sense we can pretty easily quantify which culture is superior–and it ain’t who you think it is.

Seems to me that there are basically three camps: One camp thinks through the implications of biological differences in sexes, races, etc., finds the implications too frightening, and hence attempts to shut down discussion. This is the mainstream media. One camp thinks through the implications of biological differences in sexes, races, etc., and embraces the implications. This is Andrew Anglin and Richard Spencer. One camp thinks there could be biological differences in races, sexes, etc., makes a podcast, and never gets around to thinking through what this actually means for the future of the United States and the rest of the West. This is the IDW.

By my count, 10 of 25 (40%) “intellectual dark web” members listed on their website are verified Jews. A few more look like they might be. Some, like Ben Shapiro, are ultra-Zionists and never-Trumpers. I’m not sure what at all qualifies him as a renegade. Most of their views would classify as blandly mainstream circa 2015.

I also agree that text is much better than video … but that doesn’t mean that zero video is better than 2 percent video. I do like to see and hear writers from time to time. The couple of Steve’s AV appearances on YouTube were very interesting to me.

I realize Steve is interested in getting paid for his time. I’m not sure what his deal is with Ron, and whether page views are relevant … probably not, since the site is not ad supported. But the odd video or audio podcast appearance would possibly increase page views here. One option would be the Cochran technique of reviewing books or interviewing guests on video in exchange for crowdfunding of a certain amount.

By the way, transcriptions are crazy cheap these days, so you can have your cake and eat it too. There are Americans doing this even cheaper than Filipino transcribers these days.

But keep in mind… we are living in an era when to be ‘Marxist’ means you think Bruce Jenner is a ‘woman’. Hollywood and Wall Street said so.

Anytime I see someone use the terms alpha, beta, gamma, I cringe. These terms are probably useful for describing animals with simple social structures like wolves and teenagers but they don’t come anywhere close to describing the complex and nuanced social structures you have to get used to navigating as an adult. It also fails to differentiate people who are using authority that was justly vested in them, for a greater good, and those who exercise authority for more venal purposes. It ultimately reveals a very nihilistic worldview, and it’s hard to take anyone who uses these terms seriously.

These terms also promote a way of thinking that gets the arrow of causality wrong–these labels imply success comes from confidence, when in fact confidence comes from past success which generally comes from lots of grinding work. It’s very odd because I see a lot of white nationalist types using these terms, and it seems like a very black way to view the world.

[Peterson] got caught up in this by being a normal liberal in a time of Bolsheviks, and now he’s clinging to the life-raft of acceptable opinion

I think you got it.

Just because they were both recently harassed by radical mobs at colleges doesn’t make them part of the “anti-Establishment Right.”

Perhaps the sole purpose of “radical mobs” is to legitimize the fake anti-Establishment Right.

Hating podcasts has always been a surprisingly good predictor of sanity and it’s nice to see that view somewhat popular in a community.

It’s astonishing how much difference there is between “good” Youtube and “bad” Youtube though, or related streaming services. Of course there’s simply pirated media which is just about accessibility, but for original content, things like videogame streaming are pretty solid nowadays whereas all homeless-street-corner-man monologuing is terrible.

Yes, she has conspired to deprive Spencer of his civil rights. Why doesn’t this “smart” advocate ever use the legal process intelligently?

Ron has recently added a video section and a library of virtual, generally harder to find books. I don’t know how that impacts page views since both are geared to the discriminsting reader interested in substantive material and not WE ATE GUMMI FOOD FOR 24 HOURS SEE WHAT HAPPENED. I notice the Guardian is complaining that their page views are way up but ad revenue is down.

But then I realize that once you start with the “well, some purges are OK” thinking, people like Weiss will just keep purging while moving the line closer and closer to the center and away from the right.

Or further and further away from the center and further away from the right.

Bret Weinstein was a self-avowed liberal who showed considerable courage in standing up to far leftist mobs. My personal views are far to the right of his at this point, but I think it is ridiculous for people on a “board” which advocates “noticing” to not notice this.
Eventually it is crucial to take a stand in “real life”. I agree. That is part of why I admire Weinstein.
(I don’t know where your “unemployment and suicides” line is coming from. I personally don’t think ANYONE should commit suicide. Options are always available. But the need to retain “respectable” employment is often an excuse for cowardice.)
These are good issues. Bring it on.

Hhmmm. A whole lot of Anons on this thread.

I tried to include a Steve Sailer name-check in a very short and polite comment to the NYTimes article, but the comment was rejected for unacceptable content.

Hhmmm. A whole lot of Anons on this thread. Wonder why.

I’m probably not the typical Unz reader. To begin with, I’m not against (legal) immigration, I like Jews, and I think Trump is a buffoon. Also, I’m a woman. Any of these would probably put me in a minority here at Unz. But I come here because the suppression of speech by the mainstream media is unbearable and overwhelming. There are some topics (like race) that cannot be freely and honestly discussed hardly anywhere anymore. Which is which why I come here, or go to dissident Twitter feeds, blogs, and Facebook groups. I didn’t even know what the “intellectual dark web” was until reading the Times article today. But in reading the article, I realized that a lot of the people that they were mentioning, whether on the political left or on the right, were people that I had been following in one way or the other. Then I realized that the “dark web” is everywhere – from Sam Harris’ podcast reaching millions to a tiny Facebook group (“A New Radical Centrism”) with only three members , and that I’ve been connected to it for years.

How is it?

Sam Harris’ podcast with Charles Murray runs for almost two hours… But I like it – and I’ve recommended it lots of times, and quite some of those I recommended it to did too like it. – Harris talks (articulates) very well – as does Murray (nice midwestern sound/tone (=drawl?), appealing! – “très sympa”…).

Because life is complex, and the fully admirable impulse to contribute to a discussion of complex issues can take precedence over the need to fully clarify one’s own personal position in the general scheme of things.

https://www.counter-currents.com/2018/05/rolf-peter-sieferle/#more-82222

Liberal democracy, being OPEN to means of national destruction, being CLOSED to means of national preservation.

Hail to Michael Jackson – let’s all be BAD now – I too have said this already:

– Jordan B. Peterson defends The Bell Curve and even says he’s read it twice!

And I do think he was the single most important defender against gender-linguistics, whereas Pinker (and lots of others who did know better) for example preferred – “rather not to” (fight those dumb and repressive new pronown-norms and all that).

I’m not that fond of Ron’s comments in this thread, but I think the video and book features are excellent. I think it is extremely important to cut across the most obvious ideological lines, and he is doing that. Good work!

Which of his civil rights?

My personal views are far to the right of his at this point

Why do you write “at this point”? Have you changed? If so, what made you change?

I wonder why some people process information faster by reading and others by audio/visual?

I don’t know where your “unemployment and suicides” line is coming from.

No worries, everyone else got it.

Hmmm … NPR’s This American Life just did a hagiography of an agitator at a Nebraska university. Interesting timing. Both the TAL piece and this Weiss one had the same theme of decrying PC when it hits the “wrong” target while maintaining the hysterical “nazis under the bed” mindset.

The proof that Peterson and the rest are controlled opposition, is the fact that they are getting so much publicity. You don’t get interviewed on the BBC or 60 Minutes if you are actually seen as a threat to the elites.

Claire and I have followed each other on Twitter since before she launched Quillette and became a big deal. I don’t think she’s a neocon. She publishes writers like Ben Sixsmith who definitely aren’t. That she focuses on more on fighting gender nonsense than mass immigration, crime, etc. is because she’s in Sydney, where those issues aren’t as salient (yet) as they are here. I think it’s also reaction to the b.s. she came across studying psychology in grad school.

I reckon a good number of these individuals read your blog but they also have message discipline. That is, they don’t ever indulge their frustrations and they always pick their words very carefully.

For me, this means that I can mention and recommend them to others in polite society. I don’t need to curate the novice’s first few encounters for fear of them opening up the wrong page and getting scared off! A situation that’d severely discredit me by proxy too.

There probably is a small cost to this. I assume their creativity suffers but they’re all clearly very bright, intellectually fertile and very well read so the creativity is still coming in from somewhere.

From what I understand, the whole video thing is a way to get more money from ads. (Until Youtube demonetizes you, anyway.) It’s why sites have those annoying podcasts without transcripts.

I think the thing is these ‘IDW’ people are to the right of the New York Times and campus lefties but, obviously, to the left of the people here. The story behind the story, as such, is that some of the Powers That Be are realizing how detached from reality their ideology has gotten and are starting to see if they can inch far enough to the right to prevent a backlash. Some of the older liberals who remember the Cold War may find the parallels with Communism unsettling. That’s my take, anyway.

Parentheses? Yeah, that’s who I’d expect the NYT to pay attention to. There’s also the phenomenon whereby the most right-wing party that isn’t explicitly countersemitic gets a whole bunch of Jews because that’s as far right as they can go. You saw this in Weimar Germany with the DDP. We only have two parties so you get the IDW instead.

I don’t think Peterson seems himself primarily as an opposition at all; he sees himself as a psychologist. He got tagged as opposition because he objected to some gender pronoun b.s. in Canada. Similar deal with Eric Weinstein, a biologist who wouldn’t go along with some Cultural Revolution nonsense at his school.

“Peterson is so remarkably ignorant of IQ issues . . .”

Actually he is not.

I watched his college lecture on IQ. Pretty standard IQ “science” orthodoxy that there is one intelligence because of g and so on. Delivered very forcefully. Intimidating manner, high strung personality for a teacher. Not very reflective. Controlling. Personally I would not put up with lecturer like this. But his students seemed all cowed.

Then there is a clip where Peterson talks about his IQ. In excess of 150 but not too good in math: 70-75 percentile only. How does he square this V-M discrepancy with the g thing?

I’m just imagining slogging through every one of RamZPaul’s videos in word for word transcribed text.

As far as I understand it, all Ron is doing with video is cataloging video hosted elsewhere, aggregating but not hosting content from these other sources, and adding local commenting and analytics. He may be backing it up, but he is not providing streaming bandwidth. Storage space is cheap, bandwidth is expensive.

You cannot create a video “show” or “channel” at Unz. Steve would have to go to YouTube or some other place to do that, or just appear on a show that is already indexed here at Unz.

The idea to increase traffic was not to get people coming in to iSteve to view videos, but to have people discover him via video and come here to read his writings. Steve is still pretty much below the radar even of many people who would undoubtedly agree with him and enjoy him, so any exposure elsewhere could have a large effect on his traffic.

Yeah, I’m loving the portraits in dramatic lighting. Democracy dies in darkness.

The “Intellectual Dark Web” is not a thing, and Unz readers should not start using this terminology.

IDW is an attempt to smear dissident right voices with the reputation of the “dark web”, which Wikipedia describes as “used for illegal activity such as illegal trade, forums, and media exchange for pedophiles and terrorists”.

Coining the term IDW is an attempt to associate alternative political views with criminality and immorality. It should be resisted by everyone.

“Yeah, I’m loving the portraits in dramatic lighting.”

The photographer is NYT staffer Damon Winter. Impressive pictures.

we are living in an era when to be ‘Marxist’ means you think Bruce Jenner is a ‘woman’. Hollywood and Wall Street said so.

I see your point, but then: Those are at times called “cultural Marxists”, which is a tad more reasonable than the plain “Marxists”, because Marx indeed refuted the idea, that biology would be very important, and said, that society is the factor of importance, when it comes to human life and all questions related. So he indeed paved the way for those who now “think Bruce jenner is a women.’”

The article is nothing more than a practical example of dragging the right edge of the Overton window leftwards.

Presumably, if radicals on Twitter accused Mitch McConnell of being a “racist and fascist,” you’d need to rally round him him as the highest-ranking leader of the Hard-Core Right.

That chinless Babbitt? Not bloody likely.

I disagree with some of Spencer’s tactics but he’s not a buffoon and has been an articulate defender of white racial interests. It’s obvious that there’s large scale coordination and collusion going on between all elements of the radical left and some kosher Republicans to bankrupt the alt-right and pro-white websites and individuals with frivolous lawsuits.

And if that fails I predict they will then unleash “lone nuts” to attempt murder against perceived leaders of the pro-white movement. Yes, this is getting very serious and dovetails with the all out offensive to ban about 75% of all guns on the market today.

…I don’t have the patience to listen to talk when I could be reading.

Me too. I can read much faster than I can listen. I like some podcasts (Derb, Z blog, used to enjoy some Ricochet) but only listen to them on long car trips. Maybe.

You don’t get interviewed on the BBC or 60 Minutes if you are actually seen as a threat to the elites.

All depends on whether they’re fawning puff-pieces or attack interviews. Poor Peterson, no sooner had his segment started that CBS all but flashed Alt-Right Intellectual under his face throughout the interview. (You don’t need to point out that, when used by the MSM, the “intellectual” is purely ironic.)

One could just as easily say that the proof that Peterson, et al, are “controlled opposition”
is that they are neither dead nor in prison. (And how I wish I were being ironic.)

Even opposing *illegal* immigration is racist nowadays, so you’re not as far off as you think. I’m fine with my mom and grandma, it’s Michelle Goldberg and Chuck Schumer that annoy me. And I have a low opinion of Trump, I just think he’s the best option we have right now since the Democrats are going to run a hardcore open-borders MeTooist–that’s what their base wants.

But yeah, I think this raises the point that the media’s so in lockstep these days that there’s a huge territory between SJWs and the alt-right out there. Someone was going to capitalize on it.

This is all true, but I suspect if resurrected Marx would probably think the businessmen had snowed us into arguing over bathrooms and cultural appropriation while they lined their pockets. Job insecurity’s at a peak, unions are almost dead, everyone’s working three part-time jobs…but hey, your kid can make up a new gender for themself!

I am too simple to grasp the appeal of Shapiro.

This list of cutting edge thought criminals is best understood in context of alt right being taken down. The Jews are getting frightened by anything that passes a risk to their agenda and are no longer going to tolerate as they cement their control. The Alt right was a blip on the horizon but considered too dangerous. The “renegades” are a safe, ineffectual opposition that provides the appearance of vigorous debate without any position that truly has a chance of altering the genocide against white societies.

As always is the case with the left, dissidents are not tolerated. Censorship will increase and unz.com itself could be daily stormered off the mainstream web. The Jews need something to take its place and to make it seem like only truly dangerous haters are being censored. Shapiro and Peterson provide great cover.

Because they get paid more for video ads. CPMs (basically the rate per impression) are much higher on those ads they stick in videos than a text ad.

Podcasts are for the treadmill or driving when I tire of the endless radio adverts. They certainly are educational, as long as you avoid Flat Earth Joe Rogan.

Yeah, if you watch Pinker it’s pretty clear he knows what he can say and what he can’t and stays just on the safe side of the line. There was one where he said that there were biological differences between men and women and that some races had higher crime rates…

Now that gives him plausible deniability because he can *say* the higher crime rates are due to social problems, etc. But anyone can connect the dots. It’s a lot like the ‘cryptic writing’ Leo Strauss was going on about-Machiavelli mentions a passage where King David is a liar, but if you check the citation he gives, it refers to God. So maybe Machiavelli goofed, or maybe…

It makes sense. Every age has its sacred cows and hence its blasphemies.

That’s a claim with exactly zero data to support it. Instead, what these guys are is a an outer boundary. If open minded moderates like me are beyond the pale, then the intellectual space gets dominated by hive minded ideologues of the extreme hard left. Jordan Peterson is just part of the candy coating of the nut inside.

You’ve never seen someone accrue status based on the ability to appear confident far over and above any actual ability? People only know who you appear to be, not who you are, as Machiavelli said hundreds of years ago.

An alpha has authority and status. Obviously an alpha may be good or evil.

The terms do oversimplify. No models are true, some models are useful. For discussing the fact that status and attraction exist on a continuum from Donald Trump to Pajama Boy to 600-pound neckbeards, the terms ‘alpha’, ‘beta’, and ‘omega’ are useful. Of course there are alphas among alphas and omegas among omegas, and you might be alpha in one situation and beta in another (compare a Marine and a lawyer at a congressional hearing and in a war zone), and attraction and status among men don’t track perfectly (Zuckerberg probably didn’t get all that much tail besides being a billionaire). But generally, the construct has enough validity to be useful.

Shapiro gets nasty crowds at college campuses.

I agree, it was all mainstream as of 2015…and Bari Weiss said as much.

I’m not entirely sure why my website attracts so many fanatic Jewish-activist types,

As we all know, Jews control much of the media in the West, but one area has eluded us for centuries: the anti-Semitic press. Despite our reputed genius, we could never crack this nut. Until now!

Listening on double speed makes it tolerable for me.

And he took the matter up again and examined it reasonably thoroughly. See

Jordan Peterson rather embarassed himself by saying that you shouldn’t trust anyone who refuses to debate and then refusing to debate various further right figures (including Kevin MacDonald).

It wouldn’t bother me so much if he just decided to ignore them altogether, but it’s his repetition of the most embarassingly weak anti-nationalist arguments that’s really goading

Eric Weinstein is the peg of the article (why did Kanye West meet with EW?) and he’s also got the top photo and yet Weinstein is as much of an intellectual as Rashon Nelson is a real estate developer. Weinstein hasn’t published anything in the last 15 years and what does talk about (labor market for Phds) is nothing that would interest Kanye West. So it’s pretty clear if you look at Weinstein’s Twitter output that he is the money behind the “intellectual dark web” website and also behind the Kanye West thing. The fact that Weinstein’s obscure sister-in-law Heather Heying gets her photo in the article is kind of a giveaway.

Increasingly the news is manufactured by wealthy & sophisticated people like Eric Weinstein or Melissa Depino who astroturf trend stories & incidents designed to fill the limitless news hole of cable TV and opinion sites. This is another example.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali is the most intelligent and articulate African that I know.

This is also why the SPLC is getting spanked by some Jews. There is a perceived need to make sure that thought patrol does not step out of bounds and focuses on only targets that are perceived by leftist Jews as their primary threat. The SPLC had gone after black and Muslim thought criminals who deviated from the prescribed narratives instead of only focusing on right wing whites. That was not the plan

Shapiro getting nasty crowds is a reason that the renegade article was written. Shapiro is no threat to the elite. He needs to be viewed as acceptable opposition not dangerous opposition like the alt light Cernovich who isn’t as dangerous as the alt right. This way the left can pretend that there is freedom of speech without any threat of thought crimes that will yield change

I don’t think Peterson seems himself primarily as an opposition at all; he sees himself as a psychologist. He got tagged as opposition because he objected to some gender pronoun b.s. in Canada.

In a sane and semi-rational society, I doubt anyone would classify him as a political thinker at all- he seems more-or-less agnostic on most of the major issues. His bag is helping people confront addictions, phobias, and dysfunctional family situations, not telling everyone how to run a country. Nowadays, publicly admitting that 2+2=4 will get you tagged as a “right-wing extremist”.

Methodists? When and where? (Everybody and his brother formed them at the collegiate level.) I would add Dutch Calvinists to the list. Also there a a fair number of Jewish day schools. The modern Christian School movement is, I believe, strongly Baptist related. Also, within the Mainline, the Episcopalians had a fair number; there was one in my home town.

Vox Day has been taking Peterson apart for about 2 weeks straight.

to me, the red pill chain goes something like this: those milquetoast folks —> alt-light (Milo, Molyneux, Breitbart) —> alt-right/Sailer/VDare/Vox Day/Lew Rockwell/Pat Buchanan/Derb

most people stop there, some others keep going into alt-white w/ Spencer stuff, few others go further into the anglin stuff.

Like the left, there should be no enemies to our right – I may not endorse them, probably don’t even really like them, but I do believe in their right to research, free speech and provide energy.

The worry is the places like the NYT “deputizes” folks like this to “fire” rightward now that they have been “blessed” by the establishment. Notice: no Christians in that NYT list and no nationalists.

John Derbyhire’s case is not the same as the average Joe with a good job. Mr. Derbyshire writes for a living. Someone in a good office job in an auto-parts plant will figure it’s not worth telling some piece of political truth to a colleague or the boss, as it’s not part of the job anyway. The moral enemy of employees, HR may come down on him like a ton of bricks for something that he can just shut his mouth about and do his job.

In John Derbyshire’s case, he didn’t feel comfortable with being a liar like most of the staff, I suppose. Telling the truth was in his official job description, I reckon, and he didn’t want to compromise his principles. True, he didn’t have to write that specific column, but it was part of his job in general.

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I’m just imagining slogging through every one of RamZPaul’s videos in word for word transcribed text.

Ha ha!

But seriously, skimming is the answer. I skim almost everything these days. The web has set writers free from word counts and column inches, and the $25 per article (or whatever is) pay rate doesn’t allow for the final editorial step of “cut it down to half the size.”

“I thought I’d be the last guy to ever watch an hour and 40 minute video of two intellectuals sitting at a table talking, but Peterson’s discussion (after about 30 min. of talking about art and crap) with Camille Paglia had so much truth coming out, that I enjoyed it a good bit.”

You better rethink about Peterson’s “truth”.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/05/fake-opposition-confirmed.html

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/05/book-review-12-rules-of-life.html

he got caught up in this by being a normal liberal in a time of Bolsheviks, and now he’s clinging to the life-raft of acceptable opinion.

A counter-revolutionary who has, so far, avoided arrest. But the revolution isn’t played out, so he’s still at risk of arrest and Lenin’s firing squad.

The fact that they haven’t updated their stated beliefs in keeping with the up-to-the-minute orthodoxy is what makes them renegade thinkers, I suppose,

There’s something really important going on here: Guys as smart as Bret Weinstein and Jordan Peterson are engaging with ideas that were formerly outside the Overton window for them, in public, and people who would formerly have refused to listen to a liberal biology professor/psychologist are paying attention. This is a chance for a lot of ideas to cross-pollenate, and for everyone to get smarter.

And both the old style media monopoly on megaphones, and the new style of censorship by outraged twitter storm are breaking down. That’s worth a huge amount.

Anytime I see someone use the terms alpha, beta, gamma, I cringe.

Agree. On the PUA scene, the alpha is the guy who gets to bang a reasonably attractive drunk woman after the bar closes, but he may in all other aspects of his life be a loser. When I worked at a large ad agency there were two good-looking young guys who did very well with the ladies. However, they were at the bottom of the totem pole in the corporate hierarchy. No one took their opinions seriously. So they were alpha in one domain and nothing much in the other.

“The People” may be against us, but the people aren’t. They’re behind us, lagging, bringing up the rear as usual. Being in the vanguard means, by definition, that the majority won’t be able to see clearly what you see, still less will they understand your motives and plan of action. Being somewhat out of step with the times has been the fate of the advanced guard everywhere.

It’s lonely out front. That’s why it takes courage. And the faith that though you’ve outrun your followers, they will eventually catch up.

Perceptivity, Intelligence, Courage and Faith. We can’t expect everyone to share in these qualities to the extent that we embody them. That would be cruel. To them must add Compassion. Even for little fellows like you.

I agree with Z-man; it’s a corny hello-fellow-kids moment. But I also agree with you that it’s a broadening Overton frame. The only thing holding the Progressive/Whig narrative together is muh feelz. Start picking at those threads and the whole cozy quilt starts unraveling pretty quick.

The cornball, inapt “dark web” is itself a giveaway. Go ahead and say it Weiss, because we know you’ve read it: the Dark Enlightenment, Neo-Reaction, Alt-Right, Game. That’s where all the intellectual ferment is at this point and more mainstream figures are acknowledging it. As I tell folks, my intellectual movement helped elect a President over a numerical majority and the entire media, political, tech, and academic establishment. What has yours done?

We are nearing a century of this uplift! on the Left and Muh Constitution! on the Right since the old tropes started breaking down in the 1950’s and the conventional thinkers really don’t have much to show for things. When Trump exits the stage, it is not going to be back to business as usual. Too many people have wandered off the pale and the Respectables can only exhort the faithful to pray, believe!

(That phrasing just occurred to me: the Respectables vs. the Deplorables.)

Look at what we have at this point: the Alt-Right, the Hoteps, Brexit, European Identity, Lega Nord. Countries trying to crawl out of the muck aren’t choosing nice, polite liberals. They’re choosing strong men who hate their enemies: Orban, Kagame, Putin, Jinping, Duterte, the Egyptian junta, Hezbollah. The endgame of Enlightenment values thoughtlessly rammed down everybody’s throats is playing out before our eyes: Venezuela, Honduras, Nigeria, Liberia, the tottering EU, the Anglophone world with more debt than can ever be repaid and more ethno-cultural fissures than can be ever be papered over. Look at what I was wrong about: I said three countries were trying to be born in Syria but there’s actually only one, a patriotic Syrian state.

It’s a great time to be alive. Keep up the fight lads!

Well, Ron, here’s the thing (if you’re still on here): You use the word Neocon like it’s “medium-build dark haired guy” or “tool-and-die man”, as it’s a description of the guy that stays with him. Yes, Mr. Peterson is in politics at this point (I think he may have dropped his teaching/research work due to getting famous lately), so his political opinions do matter. I don’t think “Neocon” is particularly WHO HE IS.

Maybe it’s just that the videos I’ve clicked on to watch have been displayed to me on youtube based on an algorithm that has determined I’m interested in the anti-feminism and men’s common-sense advice stuff. It could be that I’m unconsciously skipping videos of displaying his neoconnity. OK, this is piddly stuff anyway, but it gets to one point:

Unless Jordan Peterson becomes the sort of pundit who does expound the invade-the-world/invite-the-world policy on a regular basis (not just in answer to a question), people can get out of him what he has become known for – a guy who speaks the truth about male-female differences, which is highly irregular, at least at a University without being known as Anon[4157]. The rest of his beliefs aren’t important to me, unless he ends up in a position where he can act on those views (in government).

Anyway, you guys on here deserve the dark side label, so maybe next year at the Darkies! Sorry, that was facetious, but that’s how I am. I have a post coming up (in my small gut right now) about how Peak Stupidity will start a campaign to be listed by the $PLC. You are nobody until you get listed as a hate group. I feel like Steve Martin before he saw himself in the Yellow Pages.

Her reason to oppose mass immigration is a fear of an authoritarian far-right backlash means she’s really quite useless. It’s not mass immigration that’s bothersome to her, it’s the example of the reaction in Europe–the backlash–that she fears. Apparently she’s agnostic about the crime and dysfunction of third-worlders who are culturally alien and don’t assimilate.

And if we don’t have any such media, what the hell are we even doing?

We have it, it just doesn’t have a payroll, a corporate form, or a marketing department. It’s the whole bloody Internet. Anybody with a cellphone camera and a domain is a journalist. Anybody with a Blogspot or WordPress site is a columnist.

Interesting anecdote: a Syrian immigrant told me they assume any published media is lying, from Al-Jazeera to Voice of America to the NY Times. So everybody tries to track down some distant cousin in the military or the bureaucracy or oil business or wherever else things are happening and asks them what’s going on. Then they talk to their neighbors and friends who are all doing the same thing. Legacy media is toast.

Bari Weiss is not nice!

Bar Weiss’s puff piece on the fake, phony, frauds attempting to lead the rotting corpse of the so-called “conservative intellectual movement” is laughable.

Bari Weiss has an eliminationist intention towards the European Christian ancestral core of the United States. Bari Weiss supports nation-wrecking mass legal immigration and multiculturalism. It’s not nice, Bari Weiss, to push mass immigration in order to displace White Core Americans.

Bari Weiss is both anti-White and anti-Christian.

I brought up Bari Weiss and Bret Stephens back in 2017:

Wall Street Journal owner Rupert Murdoch and WSJ editorial page editor Paul Gigot may surpass most Jews in their support for nation-wrecking mass immigration. Gigot is notorious for allowing Jewish writers to push for mass immigration in the editorial pages of the Wall Street Journal. Very rarely does Gigot allow a writer from the European Christian ancestral core of the USA make the case for immigration reductions.

Wall Street Journal columnist Bret Stephens is a Jewish writer who routinely states that European Christian Americans are not the ancestral core of the United States. Stephens thinks that there is no ancestral core of the United Sates. Bret Stephens is dead wrong.

Bret Stephens has recently praised a bit of slop written by another Jewish person who does not recognize that the USA is a European Christian nation-state.

Gigot saw fit to add to the Ellis Island emotionalism by allowing a WSJ associate book review editor by the name of Bari Weiss write a vapid piece on the protests surrounding President Trump’s decision to temporarily suspend some refugee admissions into the USA.

The Wall Street Journal article was entitled “A Trump Protest Under Lady Liberty’s Gaze.” The female Jew who wrote the article is no friend of the European Christian ancestral core of the USA. Her intention in the article was to use the imposition of White guilt as a weapon to smash her enemies. We know what your doing.

Rupert Murdoch, Paul Gigot, Bret Stephens and Bari Weiss all push open borders mass immigration and amnesty for illegal alien invaders. President Trump and American patriots will no longer pay any attention to the politically correct crap that is destroying us.

Bret Stephens Tweet about Bari Weiss that bothered me in 2017:

https://twitter.com/BretStephensNYT/status/826501294571401216

This is a chance for a lot of ideas to cross-pollenate, and for everyone to get smarter.

Jordan Peterson’s mystical nonsense is probably one of the potent forces for stupidity that there is out there, especially in combination with his guru/preacher routine

What’s really going on here?

“The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.” — Lenin

Mr. Sailer, you are not on the dark web list because they are all liberals on that list.
But you did get your comment published in a NYT piece about California:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/09/us/california-today-california-governor-debate.html

California is a great place to be rich. It’s become a less good place to be an average American with average American expectations: that you can afford to marry and raise your kids in a house with a yard in an adequate public school district.

-Steve Sailer

Why are so many sites turning to video when a simple print summary is so much shorter to read?

Because kids don’t read anymore

https://theconversation.com/bromance-alert-kanye-west-and-jordan-peterson-95911

It’s just an effort at setting a limit on whom is considered acceptable for discourse–the Overton Window. AEI, and its fellows, are long part of the Washington Establishment.

The only thing that has made Sommers, Murray, et al., outre is the novelty factor for clueless 20-something college students who are discovering that Sommers, Murray, et al., have been part of acceptable discourse since before they were born. They’re the establishment that it is always fashionable for radical college students to rebel against.

And Stalin thought them counter-revolutionary and had them disappeared…

I hope you are correct. Given how immigration has featured prominently in AUS politics since the 90s (Pauline Hanson/OneNation; stopping migrant boats at Sea), we’ve every reason to fear disingenuous ploys. More broadly, we are living in the Age of Demographics. To anyone with even a cursory take on politics, it has been obvious that the Left has been working to rig the game by mass import of 3rd World voters.

The bread n’ circuses part of civilizational decline where life is filled with distractions and trivial obsessions.

Russia, Russia, Russia; #MeToo; Stormy Daniels; SJW & BLM; and on and on…

Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner and World War T are yesterday’s news. Same-sex marriage and Occupy Wall St. happened sometime in the last century.

Countersemites has to be one of the stupidest euphemisms to grace the planet. There are three kinds of Jews who say bad things about Jews. There are autists, there are liberal Jews who are status signaling how much better they are then conservative Jews and there are conservative Jews who are trying to stop liberal Jews from getting everyone killed.

Unz is almost certainly in the latter category. I’m not going to claim there is no element of self interest involved, but I doubt he is doing this for the approval of people who don’t like Jews.

Academia used to be a haven of communism, a system of government that tended to disproportionately murder academics. I’m not sure if they are actually any crazier or if we are just seeing the rest of long run IQ decline and meritocracy (which encourages people to hire as incompetently as possible in order to avoid being replaced).

“… when you’re doing something that’s boring but you can’t read a book while you do it.“
That’s what you think – Steve reads while shaving.

If all you ever read is the New York Times, then I guess Bari Weiss’s article might be an eye-opener. Within the bubble in which she works, she has the image of a nonconformist. But she never comes close to acknowledging that she is writing for one of the country’s principal enforcers of political correctness. In the Times, whites are always wrong in relation to blacks, whites are always wrong in relation to immigrants, whites are always wrong in relation to Jews, and of course men are always wrong in relation to women. One of Weiss’s recent articles was about anti-semitism in France; she is outraged that “Jews are being murdered in France. Again,” but she never asks what the influence of Jewish organizations has been on immigration policy, nor does she betray the slightest concern for the non-Jewish French people who have been murdered by Muslim fanatics.

I’m not sure if I’d put Anglin as the extreme right wing. He uses alot of humor, so I don’t think he is any more radical then Chateau Heartiste.

I never heard of most of these people. Just another attempt by the NYT to narrow the rapidly expanding Overton window. They are attempting to reset the margins of respectability.

I’m with Steve, reading is so much more efficient than podcasts and allows you to get way more in depth into a topic.

I can see podcasts making sense for commutes or otherwise long drives.

But listening to a podcast while you’re doing something else: it seems to me that it’s going to be a rather superficial analysis if you’re actually able to get something out of it without giving it your full attention. But I don’t know, maybe I’m just a particularly bad multi-tasker.

What I don’t get is how some people seem to be able to keep up with weekly or daily podcasts from several different outlets simultaneously. How do people have the time?

He’s basically a social conservative dwelling in a world of extreme social liberals. He advocates for life long marriage and children, abandoning porn, staying sober, working hard at something you’re good at, saving, telling the truth, helping others, Christianity-lite, eating less, getting off meds if you can, and much more. This is the heart of conservatism, the restraining of the appetites and the impulses to made profitable long-term decisions. Asking him to issue forth on Jewish IQ and such is ridiculous. He’s doing all the good he can with what he’s got available to him.

It’s a kosher version of the Alt-Right.

Peterson completely gave up (“I can’t do it”) at an event when somebody self-identifying as a Jew offered him a copy of Solzhenitsyn’s Two Hundred Years Together.

Not getting your drift. Could you explain more clearly?

‘You mean “Wrong” according to your religion?‘

‘Why, how else could anything be Wrong?‘ asked Uncle Peregrine with perfect simplicity, and continued his dissertation on the problems of sex: ‘There’s another thing. You only have to look at the ghastly fellows who are a success with women to realise that there isn’t much point in it.’

–Unconditional Surrender, Evelyn Waugh

Aside from Charlie Kirk and Alex Jones, the list is almost empty of American men. TLDR version of the article: Maybe instead if only listening to far left foreigners, we should also listen to moderate left foreigners so long as they are willing to join us in condemning the right.

That’s kinda funny — you pulled a reverse-TD and went to a left-wing publication and told them “people of Whiteness are against you, you people need to read Steve Sailer.”

Henry Farrell’s take on this:

https://twitter.com/henryfarrell/status/994228332010065920?s=21

I agree.

“The past couple years I’ve been enjoying movies and TV shows more by using VLC’s play at 110 or 120% feature. At 130% scripted entertainment becomes hard to follow at times.”

You can do the same with music — dispense with that bloated, tedious Beethoven Ninth in 30 minutes flat.

Conquer the vast Getty Museum before the three o’clock rush hour: wham bam, Cultured!

Not everything is purely informational — most art is sensual. Hey, man…. slow down.

Slow down.

Anytime I see someone use the terms alpha, beta, gamma, I cringe.

I’m glad you said it, time to retire this line of thinking. Nerdy men who were picked on it their youth now assert this all the time with, of course, they being alphas.
Even the IQ crap is played.

Haha, I’ve seen a few of his, and he wouldn’t be the same without his funny faces and the rest of his humor. It would not make a whole lot of sense to have a transcript.

I read John Derbyshire’s Radio Derb transcripts vs. listening. It has nothing to do with anything besides being about 4 X faster (without skimming, even).

I’m sure I would enjoy them while listening if I had the time. I don’t like listening to stuff on a headset while being out in the world. It takes all awareness away for me.

She’s kind of a rabid Zionist isn’t she?

If by” Babbitt”, you mean a Turtle, Tortoise, or any member of the Tortuga family, then yes, THAT guy!

(OK, I didn’t feel like looking up what a Babbitt is, so give me a break – it’s easier just to write something here and read the replies ;-}

I bet that an intern is getting fired for that right now

Seeing people’s actual images and seeing them on video can destroy their mystique and imagined status. Why take the risk when Steve is already very successful?

This shortcomings of this medium are ameliorated somewhat by going to settings and running the video at 2x speed. That and judiciously skipping forward can take a 60min slogfest down to ~10 min.

I’d call Peterson a Classical Liberal rather than Neoconservative, but the two can be very close indeed – even Douglas Murray and most other British supporters of neoconservatism are more just classical right-liberals with a strong anti-Islam bent.

Just did the word sum test. I came out with an IQ of 123.
But I am a blue eyed White goy. So because if the laws of affirmative action, I’m an unemployable untouchable.

It’s strictly a verbal test. I’m very very verbally facile and have a wide and deep range of general knowledge. Might explain why so many Jews often think I’m one of them despite my looks.

If it’s illegal to admit a person to college or hire or promote them, what good does a high IQ do one.

A study should be done of White weed growers. First ask if they grow weed because they are unemployed because they are White. Second do an IQ test.

My ethnicity British including Irish and French and private school all the way. Had I been born in 1920 and grown up to a merit testing society I’d have been fine. But I was born in 1973 and affirmative action made me unemployable.

Making it illegal to hire people with 123 IQs and ferociously enforcing laws that mandate hiring 90 IQs; what a country.

As Obama’s preacher said, God damm America. And as the good ol rebel sings, I hate this yankee nation and everything they do.

That test by the way tests only for verbal ability. There is nothing about math, mechanics, reasoning, logic spatial or engineering ability.

Why would a society make it illegal to hire 123 IQ applicants and mandatory to hire 90 IQapplicants?

That 1896 copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion I read explains. 4 th protocol “ We shall see to it my brothers that they ( goyim enemy countries) appoint only the incompetent and unfit to official positions and thus we shall render them incapable.”

Add that to the fact that 90 percent of the attorneys involved on the anti White side of all the affirmative action lawsuits have obviously Jewish names

“… but I don’t have the patience to listen to talk when I could be reading.”

Thak goodness … I thought it was just me who found these other delivery media tedious.

What’s wrong with taking medicine?

Unless conservatives want to go back to when people died at 50 instead of 80. Or died of sepsis after minor wounds became infected.

The son of Calvin Coolidge died because he got a blister on his foot. The blister became infected and he died of sepsis Had penicillin or sulfa been available he would have lived.

Or became addicted to opium because there was no aspirin or ibuprofen to deal with pain.

Or the tens of thousands of babies who died every year due to dehydration caused by diarrhea. Then a pediatrician invented pepto bismol and viola!! Those tens of thousands of babies survived diarrhea.

Go ahead conservatives, eschew medicine, don’t fill your prescriptions and watch yourselves and your children die.

For some reason kids are prone to earaches. Don’t give them the antibiotics prescribed and live with them crying in pain for a couple weeks till “ the body’s natural healing processes heals the infection”

I have a job where I can listen to podcasts all day long. Then I walk to the gym (takes 50 minutes), lift weights, walk back home, all while listening to podcasts. I also listen while walking the dog, doing housework, working in the yard, etc. And then there’s bluetooth in the car for more listening. That’s a lot of hours of podcasts in a typical day. Much more efficient for me than reading.

I’m enjoying it. I’ve also read his most recent book and watched a number of his YouTube lectures and interviews.

Peterson speaks a lot truth that the purists here are discounting. I think he is a huge asset to the Truth and states many hatefacts especially in regards to men and women. And he talks honestly about IQ. Plus he just seems like a great guy to be around much like our esteemed host.

Finally, he never apologizes or backs down.

When I worked at a large ad agency there were two good-looking young guys who did very well with the ladies. However, they were at the bottom of the totem pole in the corporate hierarchy. No one took their opinions seriously. So they were alpha in one domain and nothing much in the other.

Agree, I have been that guy.

Also, the alt right will never get anywhere by appealing only to alpha males, however you define them there are too few of them. And there is no reason while they should support the alt right. Eric Schneiderman/Weinstein are alpha males (by the PUA definition anyway), Steve Sailer is not (sorry Steve).

What is interesting is I think that there is a rational but unspoken reason for women to object to pick up artists. For most of human history if a woman wanted to identify a man who could take care of her children, self confident behaviour around other men was probably the best tell. There were well built men who were slaves, men with genetically good looks who were young and powerless, men who had all the outer appearences of success but whose position was insecure and so could not afford to act confidently as they might annoy other men who they were dependant on.

Self confidence was the best single measure of how well a man could take care of you, if a man acted this way around other men and did not have the power to back it up he would quickly be put in his place.

In a modern, urban, law abiding state where people meet and may not see each other again there is now little danger for the even the least powerful to behave convincingly confidently in public and this can be consiously learnt by PUAs. Many women still have an irrational attraction for this behaviour, the way a cat cannot control itself in chasing a laser pointer.

I listen to all the Ham Sarris podcasts… It’s more interesting than anything Ron Unz has said. Canadians are becoming a real problem though

I went to anon after the bombing of the Arriania Grand concert . Every elderly male virgin led by Rurik and Revulsky threatened to dox me because I objected to their endless posts that the
“ half naked sluts that went to the concert deserved to die because they were girl sluts”

Too much pontificating and wanking about sluts and not enough acknowledgement that Whites need to get together and restore our rights.

You certainly can afford to marry and raise kids in a single family house with a yard in California.

It won’t just be you, spouse and 2-4 kids though. It will be your entire extended family and a few tenants stacked up in bunk beds in the garage

The norm in California is 20 -25 people in a 1,800 sq ft house and garage, just like India and China.

We could go the Japanese way 2 parents 1 kid in a 150 sq ft apartment.

How do you know what attracts women to certain men? All these men who never get any blathering on about why women are attracted to men.

She should call out his name every time she…

Yo, Lot! I agree completely with your assigning our host to category #3. Maybe Mr. Unz will step in personally here, to affirm, deny, or explain; but I distinctly recollect —on at least one occasion, and maybe several — Unz’s own use of “G-d” as the respectful English-version of the “tetragrammaton”, which typifies the writings of most Orthodox-leaning Jewish intellectuals, (who by definition tend rightwards, politically).

Rabbis and commentators within the Chabad movement who maintain an online presence alternate their use of G-d with “Hashem” —literally “the name” in Hebrew, which serves the same purpose: obeying the commandment “take not the name of the Lord in vain”. Incidentally, “Lord”— “Adonai in Hebrew”, with both always capitalized — is a central usage in most Hebrew prayers, but is considered acceptably oblique to be spoken or written, which יהוה‬ in Hebrew is not.

I think I agree. I know very little about Peterson, except that he’s a psychologist, that he got into hot water for the whole tranny pronoun thing, and that since then he’s somehow become a sensation over the last few months.

But why would we expect someone like that to know anything about Jewish IQ, let alone discuss it?

Or did he bring the topic up himself?

See here:

The viewer’s natural inference is that the subject is too toxic for him to respond; but see Graham’s comment (#114) on this thread.

From the context of the original quote, I think he was talking about 70-75th percentile on the GRE quant test. Still pretty bad (I was 99th+ verbal, 85th percentile Quant, and I am hopeless when it comes to advanced math)

Black Africans mass-invade Finland to assimilate to black American thug culture.

Globalist’s idea of ‘liberal democracy’.

https://twitter.com/SwanOfTuonela/status/994202477946949632/video/1

I disagree with some of Spencer’s tactics but he’s not a buffoon and has been an articulate defender of white racial interests.

He’s done our cause more harm than good.

Are you an idiot? The poster was obviously talking about psychiatric meds, not freaking penicillin.

What’s your definition of a neocon?

He also mostly tries to stick to discussing subjects he understands, rather than signing on to other peoples’ pet obsessions, which is one reason he attracts criticism- some pious Christians dislike him because he’s not an active churchgoer, anti-Semites dislike him because he doesn’t obsess over the sinister plots of the Elders of Zion, atheists dislike that he’s not a dogmatic materialist, PUAs dislike him for recommending marriage to young men, etc. (Granted, I myself once believed that all intelligent people should agree with me on everything important- but then I turned twenty). We could use more public intellectuals with the humility to say “I don’t know” or “I’m not sure” once in a while, as Mr. Sailer frequently does.

but I don’t have the patience to listen to talk when I could be reading …

Of course, reading is faster, and other reasons to be preferred. See James Thompson comments on his podcast try.

Hah! I saw this and thought of Mr Sailer among others. Dissident, meet decoy!

Also useful, who does Peterson cite? Freud and Nietzsche, not that I’ve seen that many videos. Some intellectuals defend their shoddy anthropology, but the point is that’s a humanistic dead end.

Some of his views useful w kids tho

Anon400 wrote:
” In fact, Murray even wrote a book titled, Neoconservatism: Why We Need It.”

You can’t make that sort of thing up. Someone cruder than I needs to make an Austin Powers joke.

Cross-Posting: Scourge of the Web!

Or not. Your website. Still liking the comment system better than any other. Once I learned to use the features.

Spencer was and/or is naive, lacks attention to detail, and likely has other faults. BUt I don;t see him as a buffoon.

Watching Spencer get OCed by C-ville LEOs, de-platformed, de-monetized, lawfared, and sucker-punched to mass-approval ought to be lessons to folk paying attention.

The left has a dilemma: a political movement that proclaims that homosexuality and gay marriage, prosecuting bakers for not making gay-wedding cakes, transgenderism and mandated unisex public restrooms (to accommodate transgenderism) are all very normal things has to label those who oppose these things (based on cultural beliefs that go back many centuries) as not normal, and do it in a way that doesn’t seem hypocritical. It seems that the author of the opinion piece believes he or she has accomplished that. That degree of self-delusion isn’t normal.

“I suspect if resurrected Marx would probably think the businessmen had snowed us into arguing over bathrooms and cultural appropriation while they lined their pockets. Job insecurity’s at a peak, unions are almost dead, everyone’s working three part-time jobs…but hey, your kid can make up a new gender for themself!”

“Not everything is about an economic theory, right?” Clinton said, kicking off a long, interactive riff with the crowd at a union hall this afternoon.

“If we broke up the big banks tomorrow—and I will if they deserve it, if they pose a systemic risk, I will—would that end racism?”

“No!” the audience yelled back.

Clinton continued to list scenarios, asking: “Would that end sexism? Would that end discrimination against the LGBT community? Would that make people feel more welcoming to immigrants overnight?”

– Hillary Clinton, speech made during 2016 Presidential campaign
( Hillary Clinton Suggested Breaking Up the Big Banks Won’t End Racism and Sexism. Is She Right? )

Jesus Strawman,
No one is telling you to bury your antibiotics and polio vaccines.
I think Peterson and CArealist meant try to live healthier so you don’t need so many meds. Eat healthy and exercise regularly so you don’t need the blood pressure and diabetes medicine. Exercise and find ways to relax to keep anxiety at bay instead of popping the Paxil etc.

Anyone who fails can be labeled a buffoon. (If they were not, they would not have failed!)

And thus far, Spencer has failed in the face of the establishment/ruling class/deep state/whatever. They are beating him like a red-headed stepchild.

I would suggest listening to Spencer on his or when he is invited on others’ podcasts. More than capable of arguing logically and bringing data to the table. I disagree with several/many of his positions, but they are defensible and he ably defends them.

Vox Day has been doing some heavy-duty takedowns of Peterson and his philosophy (“Jordanetics”) lately. The other day, he went on Alex Jones’ show to discuss Peterson and Ben Shapiro.

Not having read any of Peterson’s books or watched any of his videos, I can only say that I would be extremely wary of trusting anyone depicted as a “renegade” by the NYT.

True, he didn’t have to write that specific column

I wonder how long the Derb could have survived at NR, that column or not. Not long before, he gave a race realist speech at CPAC that didn’t get onto the radar screen of the left, but if it had that Rich Lowry would have tossed him overboard.

NR booted Mark Steyn after he quoted Frank Sinatra telling a mild gay joke. They’re pathetic. They have no further reason to exist.

He also mostly tries to stick to discussing subjects he understands, rather than signing on to other peoples’ pet obsessions, which is one reason he attracts criticism- some pious Christians dislike him because he’s not an active churchgoer, anti-Semites dislike him because he doesn’t obsess over the sinister plots of the Elders of Zion, atheists dislike that he’s not a dogmatic materialist, PUAs dislike him for recommending marriage to young men, etc

But he does talk about Christinaity, Jews and marriage, he just does so in a very stupid way.

Freud and Nietzsche

All of the pseud red flags

Between that and the Goldberg-Coates Encounter Session I wonder why anyone lets any magazine exist at all. They truly are fleeing those things that would give them a competitive edge over some guy with a blog.

The strongest argument against over-vaccination and completely unrestrained secret Monsanto GMO propagation is the dishonesty of their defenders. Nobody has argued against “vaccination.” “Vaccination” has been around since the Renaissance. “Anti-vaxxers” oppose sweeping unscientific changes which guarantee huge profits to secretive companies, not vaccination itself. Nobody has argued against the hybridization of plants. They are arguing against secret ingredients which the manufacturers refuse to eat and which receive million-dollar support when peasants dare to ask for labelling.
And people called “deniers” almost always accept a general situation but reserve the right to reject preposterous details and claims. It is inescapably dishonest to call such people “deniers.”

Vox Day definitely gets the bit between his teeth at times.

Thing is, VD has shown pretty conclusively that JP is not what many of his video-admirers think he is, and if they would just RTFM (or books), they would not embarrass themselves as much.

JP has declared himself in opposition to my objectives and has little intellectual integrity, no matter how much he cries on video.

JP’s 12 Rules, Cerno’s Gorilla Juice, and last year’s pseudo-edgy self-help book are all facets on the same jewel.

In truth, the battle for the Christian family (lifelong, one man one woman, fertile) is the one essential battle today. Jewish question almost a decoy.

Peterson bases it on man’s basic liberty (tho in a legal/muddled fashion because he is not a philosopher after all), which is the right approach.

We were created free, to think, to affirm or reject, to construct or self-destruct. No getting away from that truth.

There are some consequents of the natural speed of comprehension from reading versus that of listening.

First of all the best speakers on videos talk fast. My friend Sam was complaining the other day about how damn fast Ben Shapiro speaks. Personally I tried to create a series of YouTube videos myself but I was done in by my slow speech cadence. I got a teleprompter and wrote out all my speeches on camera. I practiced them but still I didn’t speak fast enough. I wouldn’t be surprised if Fox News does a speed test for those auditioning to be an anchor.

Secondly many of the most effective informational videos have speech on the audio track and titles and/or simple graphics on screen. A lot of business presentations are not really written in text paragraphs but in a prose style called – Booze Allen Hamilton Public Administration. You’ve seen it. It’s more like an outline and there are a lot of those hated dot-points. It’s bad for scholarly discussion but good for making a few points in a subject that can be thought of hierarchically.

Good videos that try to present serious information should probably never have music except as brief punctuation between sections.