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My current column in Taki’s Magazine, entitled “White Monopoly Capital” vs. “White Privilege,” was inspired by a striking New York Times feature article shaming a defunct London PR firm for promoting anti-white activism in South Africa with the “racially incendiary” phrase “white monopoly capital.”

I asked how this was so much more morally despicable than, say, the New York Times’ own campaign to stir up racial hate in the U.S. with the phrase “white privilege?”

Obviously, “white privilege” is more racialist than “white monopoly capital,” since it targets all whites rather than just white capitalists.

Now somebody else has sort of noticed this issue.

From Black Agenda Report (“News, commentary, and analysis from the black left”):

NYT Joins Campaign to Purge the Term “White Monopoly Capital” in South Africa

Glen Ford, BAR executive editor 08 Feb 2018

“The Times fingered a British p.r. outfit as the culprit that popularized the belief that ‘white monopoly capital’ must be overthrown to complete the unfinished South African revolution.”

The New York Times, the world’s premier journalistic purveyor of a “fake,” imperial, and profoundly white capitalist world view — masquerading as all the news that’s fit to print — wants us to believe that a now-bankrupt London-based public relations firm is behind South Africa’s regime-shaking debate over the rule of “white monopoly capital.”

It’s an amazing claim, that could only be put forward with a straight face by an institution marinated in centuries of white supremacy, whose operatives can perceive only fellow white hands and minds as makers of history — or even coiners of useful terms.

In a February 4 business section article titled, “How Bell Pottinger, P.R. Firm for Despots and Rogues, Met Its End in South Africa,” the Times fingered the British p.r. outfit as the culprit that popularized the belief that “white monopoly capital” must be overthrown to complete the unfinished South African revolution. Bell Pottinger worked for the Gupta brothers, three businessmen from India that are widely believed to have corruptly “captured” the government of President Jacob Zuma for their own enrichment. The Guptas are reportedly divesting much of their vast South African holdings, and Zuma now clings to state power by his fingernails, having lost control of the ruling African National Congress leadership to the faction led by Cyril Ramaphosa, the labor leader turned wealthy multinational corporate shareholder.

There is much talk this week about the bumptious Zulu Zuma being shoved out of the Presidency early in favor of the more suave and white business-friendly Ramaphosa, whose half billion dollars or so in net worth could at least demonstrate the existence of “black monopoly capital.”

The Times claims the Guptas and their p.r. firm set these events in motion by injecting the concept of “white monopoly capital” into the debate, thus poisoning the political dialogue, in the Times’ view. By 2017, Bell Pottinger “stood accused of setting off racial tensions through a furtive campaign built on Twitter bots, hate-filled websites and speeches…pushing a highly toxic narrative, namely that whites in South Africa had seized resources and wealth while they deprived blacks of education and jobs,” reporter David Segal wrote. “The message was popularized with an incendiary phrase, ‘white monopoly capital.’”

According to the Times, “white monopoly capital,” “a phrase that for years had been confined to left-wing academic circles, was suddenly unavoidable.”

That’s utter nonsense. The term “white monopoly capital,” in those precise words or essential meaning, has been central to the South African political conversation since before Nelson Mandela was imprisoned in 1962. The demand for majority control of the nation’s land and major industries was articulated in the anti-apartheid movement’s seminal political document, the Freedom Charter of 1955:

“The national wealth of our country, the heritage of all South Africans, shall be restored to the people;

The mineral wealth beneath the soil, the banks and monopoly industry shall be transferred to the ownership of the people as a whole… .”

It is an indisputably socialist document directly addressing the white capitalist monopoly on power. Although the honchos of the ruling party, the ANC, have betrayed its principles, in practice, at every juncture since the fall of apartheid in the early Nineties, the entirety of South African political leadership is still compelled to give lip service to the Charter and its embedded demands. The Brits that ran Bell Pottinger worked for the Gupta brothers, but their political client was President Jacob Zuma, then leader of the ANC, who needs no spin-doctor or “Twitter bots” to articulate his public position on “white monopoly power.”

“The minority dominates land. That’s why we are saying there is a monopoly. It is not insult,” said Zuma, in an interview with South African television, last year. “It is a fact, it’s not manufactured. We are telling the truth. We fought, they took everything, political power which we now have. They took economical power and land. Let us take the mines, companies who dominate in mines, few are benefiting. You will find the same companies in charge. That means they are dominating. They are monopolizing, they are not black.

“You have companies that are white, they start from big commodities to the broom, they are monopolies, they should be called by what they practice. There is monopoly capital and in South Africa it is white. Because of our history it does have a color and it is white,” Zuma said.

For example, according to Forbes, the richest man in South Africa is Nicky Oppenheimer. Ironically, the reason he is the richest is because his grandfather and father could not set foot in the United States because they would have been arrested on monopoly price-fixing charges due to their making their De Beers diamond firm into the most spectacular monopoly on earth. The U.S. government pursued charges against De Beers from 1945, when it accused De Beers of impeding the war effort against the Axis by charging monopoly prices for industrial diamonds, until De Beers finally pled guilty in 2004.

When I bought a diamond ring in 1986, I wonder how many hundreds of my dollars dropped straight to Nicky’s inheritance because of the Oppenheimer family monopoly on diamonds?

Obviously, the black left in South Africa doesn’t care about some white Chicago yuppie getting ripped off by white monopoly capital, they just want to be the rippers instead.

The political crisis in South Africa derives from the failure of Zuma and the leadership of the ANC to actually oust white monopoly capital from the commanding heights of the economy, after nearly a quarter century in nominal power. Instead, they have fatted a new class of Black bourgeoisie, most of them ANC-connected, as junior partners with the white monopolists through the government’s Black Economic Empowerment policies. Most notable among these nouveau Black capitalists is Cyril Ramaphosa, now president of the ANC and near certain to succeed Zuma in the next election, if not much sooner.

Ramaphosa was once leader of the mine workers union, but became one of the richest men in South Africa, with assets estimated at $450 million, thanks to his alliance with the multinational corporate mine owners. Ramaphosa is widely believed to have given the green light for police to massacre 34 striking workers at the Marikana mine operated by the Lonmin conglomerate, of which he was a director, in 2012.

Ramaphosa and a majority of the current members of the ANC’s executive committee now claim that “white monopoly capital” is “no longer part of the party’s lexicon,” although the issue remains hotly contested and factionalized. Ramaphosa was last year reported to have “criticized the use of the phrase ‘white monopoly capital’ and said it was an invention of a highly paid public relations company to ‘protect their clients’ accused of state capture.”

Thus, the New York Times is running the same line as Ramaphosa, the darling of the multinational corporations that were incensed at having to share access to Zuma’s presidency with the intrusive (and brown) Gupta brothers. Under Ramaphosa, their absolute monopoly on the state’s attentions will no doubt be restored.

Joel Netshitenzhe, a Ramaphosa ally on the ANC national executive committee, said, “the phenomenon of monopoly capital is a global one and manifests itself differently. In that context, it would therefore not be correct to characterize ours simply as white monopoly capital. That relationship would apply whether it’s Japanese, Indian, white or whatever category you can think about,” he said.

Apparently, the global system created by white monopolists — and still dominated by them, in South Africa and around the planet — loses its essential, racialized character when darker capitalists throw some money in game. Supposedly, the same transformation occurs when one mixes in a gaggle of Black Economic Empowerment program beneficiaries. Voila! Racial capitalism eliminated! Even if nothing changes in the lives of the masses of people.

As I explained in Taki’s, however, there are, however, sensible reasons why the David Segal is being so much more pro-white about South Africa in the pages of the NYT than any reporter would be allowed to be pro-white about the U.S.

The reason Jacob Zuma has made himself so unpopular with white monopoly media like the New York Times and The Economist is because his rhetoric (if not his actions) has drifted in a Mugabe-ist direction under the pressure of these guys, the far left Economic Freedom Fighters, here brawling in their red shirts in parliament:

https://youtu.be/w3wp6fC7vbo?t=1m1s

 
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  1. I realize that this is not your main point, but that diamond business monopoly you mention was just amazing to me when I read about it ~ 10 years back. A guy named Edward J. Epstein has a near book-length piece of writing on the history of that monopoly on production, marketing, and sales.

    It’s pretty amazing – it starts here with Chapter links on the left there. I will say that the diamond monopoly project seemed to have folks from all ethnic groups involved in it. It was/is an equal-opportunity scam.

    (Peak Stupidity on “You’ve got a friend in the Diamond Business”, Part 1, Part 2, and Part 3.)

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Achmed E. Newman


    I realize that this is not your main point, but that diamond business monopoly you mention was just amazing to me when I read about it ~ 10 years back.
     
    An even more amazing deal, is DeBeers and the jewelry traders convincing young men and women throughout the West that somehow it's an inherent part of our culture to spend a month or two of the guy's hard earned dollars on a pretty rock that does absolutely nothing. (Giving these merchants who do nothing remotely useful a pretty nice living in the process.)

    It's amazing young men have fallen for this con. You need to give her a super-expensive bauble, to seal a deal where she gets an appreciating asset--your paycheck--and you get a depreciating asset--her sexual attractiveness ... and a deal she now can cancel at any time if you don't make her haaaaapppy.

    Ok ... once upon a time in the West, when she was supposed to be a virgin, you can kind of see it. Sex was generally more scarce. And her virginity has market value--she gets to accept just one offer and has to live with it. So if she is accepting your offer this is it, and she really doesn't have as nice a shot at another deal. The rock sort of squares it up, gives you skin in the game and provides a bit of security for her. (Some places even had "breach of promise" laws to nail it down.)

    But what the heck is the point now? An expensive pretty rock for these well worn 30ish well-past-peak attractiveness tick-clock gals, so they can post pics on Facebook? They ought to be offering you dowry!

    Seriously, if you're a young man, don't do it. If you decide--after she passes some critical questioning that indicates she sort of gets the whole marriage thing--to pull the trigger, don't waste your money. If she then throws a hissy--tell her, "uh, no thanks" and show her the door. If she's capable of rational conversation, you can indicate that after she provides four or five kids and has been a faithful and loyal wife and mother for 25 years, then if she wants one, you'll spring for it.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  2. I’m quite shocked at the lack of respect given South African nationalism on this supposedly pro-Nationalism website.

    Zuma and others are trying to strengthen their country’s Black African identity, but it appears people here vigorously oppose those actions which would hurt the White minority. While many in South Africa want Black control over a Black society its interesting that people here support more diversity.

    Here we have the White minority that disproportionally controls the country’s economic resources and especially its finance and media. And all because they have a higher IQ. Something must be done.

    Amandla!

    • Troll: DFH
    • Replies: @27 year old
    @anony-mouse


    their country
     
    Citation needed

    Replies: @anony-mouse

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @anony-mouse


    I’m quite shocked at the lack of respect given South African nationalism on this supposedly pro-Nationalism website.
     
    We are Pro-American patriots. Your post must be tongue-in-cheek.

    Replies: @anony-mouse, @Nigerian Nationalist

    , @jack daniels
    @anony-mouse

    Why must people with higher IQ run everything? Lots of them are crooks and others are evil. I want to see Ireland run by Irish, Poland by Poles, and South Africa by Africans. Why must Jews get to run everything with their great genius but selfish motives? I'm not a fan of the ANC but it is depressing to see how easily they have been "co-opted" by the usual suspects.

  3. I’m pretty sure the Oppenheimers were German Jews. It really makes you think, doesn’t it?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @DFH

    The South African Oppenheimers aren't all that Jewish anymore.

    Replies: @utu, @Charles Erwin Wilson

  4. “White monopoly capital” is “problematic” for the same reason that conservatives in the US or Hungarians and Poles invoking “George Soros” is “problematic”. It ends up singling out Jewish oligarchs. Jews depend on camouflage within the host society, so political rhetoric which involves finer distinctions are very unnerving.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Anonymous


    Jews depend on camouflage within the host society,
     
    If that's true, you'd think that Jews wouldn't push to turn Europe and America more black and brown. I've been arguing for awhile that Jews will stick a lot more in Brazil-like country than a 1950s United States.

    Jews seem to be cutting off their nose to spite their face.
  5. @DFH
    I'm pretty sure the Oppenheimers were German Jews. It really makes you think, doesn't it?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The South African Oppenheimers aren’t all that Jewish anymore.

    • Replies: @utu
    @Steve Sailer


    The South African Oppenheimers aren’t all that Jewish anymore.
     
    (Wiki) Harry Frederick Oppenheimer (28 October 1908 – 19 August 2000) When he married his wife Bridget (née McCall), he chose to enter the Anglican Church, but remained a supporter of Jewish causes during his entire life.

    He was also generous to the official philanthropies of the State of Israel. He personally directed that Israel receive the necessary diamond raw products from De Beers in order to establish itself as one of the world's diamond polishing and exporting countries.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Steve Sailer


    The South African Oppenheimers aren’t all that Jewish anymore.
     
    What are they?
  6. @anony-mouse
    I'm quite shocked at the lack of respect given South African nationalism on this supposedly pro-Nationalism website.

    Zuma and others are trying to strengthen their country's Black African identity, but it appears people here vigorously oppose those actions which would hurt the White minority. While many in South Africa want Black control over a Black society its interesting that people here support more diversity.

    Here we have the White minority that disproportionally controls the country's economic resources and especially its finance and media. And all because they have a higher IQ. Something must be done.

    Amandla!

    Replies: @27 year old, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @jack daniels

    their country

    Citation needed

    • Agree: Nico
    • Replies: @anony-mouse
    @27 year old

    Blacks (including 'coloureds') comprise 89% of the population. That's about as high as Whites ever did in the US.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa

    Replies: @Anonspc

  7. South Africa is drawing a relatively above-average amount of attention at the moment. To recycle a comment from yesterday:

    See “How Decolonization Could Reshape South African Science” by Linda Nordling in the 7 Feb 2018 edition of Nature.

    “Does decolonizing science mean throwing out Isaac Newton, Charles Darwin and Gregor Mendel, and starting afresh with indigenous knowledge? Such demands have been made …”

    One wonders if “decolonization” down there might soon lead to de-colon-ization, healthwise.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Russ


    See “How Decolonization Could Reshape South African Science” by Linda Nordling in the 7 Feb 2018 edition of Nature.

    “Does decolonizing science mean throwing out Isaac Newton, Charles Darwin and Gregor Mendel, and starting afresh with indigenous knowledge? Such demands have been made …”

     
    I thought Nature was supposed to be a science magazine of some sort. First National Geographic went down the tubes, but it sounds like the rest of them too.

    "Starting afresh.." - man, if this Nature Magazine writer really thinks starting afresh won't result in discovering the same natural laws that great scientists have already discovered, than she is no scientist at all. Maybe I should read her whole article ... hell, I know that won't happen - too much risk of exposure to high stupidity levels.

    In your terminology, Russ, it sounds like Africans are getting a re-colon-ization from the Chinese right now, per the advice of Dr. Yuo Bendova, MD, specialist in interventional proctology.

    Replies: @Jack D

  8. @Steve Sailer
    @DFH

    The South African Oppenheimers aren't all that Jewish anymore.

    Replies: @utu, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    The South African Oppenheimers aren’t all that Jewish anymore.

    (Wiki) Harry Frederick Oppenheimer (28 October 1908 – 19 August 2000) When he married his wife Bridget (née McCall), he chose to enter the Anglican Church, but remained a supporter of Jewish causes during his entire life.

    He was also generous to the official philanthropies of the State of Israel. He personally directed that Israel receive the necessary diamond raw products from De Beers in order to establish itself as one of the world’s diamond polishing and exporting countries.

  9. The Times’s campaign isn’t surprising. It all comes down to that who is zommin whom thing you often refer to. The Times couldn’t be persuaded to cover the hundreds of homicides of white farmers in both Zimbabwe and South Africa. How many Times writers or editors have ever worked on a farm, let alone one in the African bush, where dangerous wildlife is the least of problems? The Times couldn’t be persuaded to report on or condemn the ANC for the “one settler, one bullet” chants that used to go on at their rallies. After all, nobody at the Times is a white South African who doesn’t hold an alternate passport of some safe white country. The Times couldn’t be persuaded to report on the ominous, portentous murmurs going around black South African circles of the reprisals being planed, just holding off until old man Mandela passes. Again, nobody writing for the Times is a Boer, stuck in that increasingly benighted country without a safe passport.

    But menace white capital. Whoa. Capital and the manipulators of it are the Times’s bailiwick. I have no doubt that many Times writers/editors have family members/friends who are Wall Streeters. I am sure that for many Times writers/editors a Wall Street career may be a lifeline when pink slip arrives, showing them the door. As for the Times’s publisher’s office, The Times’s advertising business depends at this point on the huge campaigns run by elite purveyors, be it expensive coutre, real estate, etc., that are marketed to Wall Streeters. To attack White Capital is to attack the very heart of the New York Times. The Times takes careful notice when their own tail is being targeted.

    • Replies: @Slim
    @Daniel H


    The Times couldn’t be persuaded to report on the ominous, portentous murmurs going around black South African circles of the reprisals being planed, just holding off until old man Mandela passes.
     
    FYI: Mandela died in 2013.
  10. @Anonymous
    "White monopoly capital" is "problematic" for the same reason that conservatives in the US or Hungarians and Poles invoking "George Soros" is "problematic". It ends up singling out Jewish oligarchs. Jews depend on camouflage within the host society, so political rhetoric which involves finer distinctions are very unnerving.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Jews depend on camouflage within the host society,

    If that’s true, you’d think that Jews wouldn’t push to turn Europe and America more black and brown. I’ve been arguing for awhile that Jews will stick a lot more in Brazil-like country than a 1950s United States.

    Jews seem to be cutting off their nose to spite their face.

  11. @anony-mouse
    I'm quite shocked at the lack of respect given South African nationalism on this supposedly pro-Nationalism website.

    Zuma and others are trying to strengthen their country's Black African identity, but it appears people here vigorously oppose those actions which would hurt the White minority. While many in South Africa want Black control over a Black society its interesting that people here support more diversity.

    Here we have the White minority that disproportionally controls the country's economic resources and especially its finance and media. And all because they have a higher IQ. Something must be done.

    Amandla!

    Replies: @27 year old, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @jack daniels

    I’m quite shocked at the lack of respect given South African nationalism on this supposedly pro-Nationalism website.

    We are Pro-American patriots. Your post must be tongue-in-cheek.

    • Replies: @anony-mouse
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Not just American nationalism:

    https://www.unz.com/ldinh/on-nationalism/

    And that's not including all the Russian nationalist writers here also.

    , @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    You realise Nationalists need other nationalists to survive?

    Put that IQ to good use, think strategically, in the long term.

    Replies: @John Gruskos

  12. @Steve Sailer
    @DFH

    The South African Oppenheimers aren't all that Jewish anymore.

    Replies: @utu, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    The South African Oppenheimers aren’t all that Jewish anymore.

    What are they?

  13. This is an absolutely incredible video (run time is an hour and change but if you cut out the intro and ?s after it’s about 30 mins) by a top tier ZA think tank leader spelling out in explicit, clear terms how dire ZA’s economic position is going forwards.
    It is almost mathematically certain ZA will have positively collapsed by 2024.
    In 1989 they were a more or less first world country, capable of producing a Musk and pioneering open heart surgery, and by 2024 it is near certain ZA will collapse to the point of energy production failure and inability to provide basic medical care

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonspc

    It's hard to see how South Africa "produced a Musk". He is half-Canadian, and got out as soon as he could (in '88 or 89, when you say it was a first-world country).

    Perhaps the kindest thing that can be said is that SA didn't get a chance to crush him, despite the violent bullying he experienced in school, or conscript him and sacrifice him to the Angolan bush.

    As for the collapse of SA, it's been predicted for decades, yet the country continues muddling along, perhaps because of its vast mineral wealth.

    Replies: @Autochthon, @G Pinfold

  14. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @anony-mouse


    I’m quite shocked at the lack of respect given South African nationalism on this supposedly pro-Nationalism website.
     
    We are Pro-American patriots. Your post must be tongue-in-cheek.

    Replies: @anony-mouse, @Nigerian Nationalist

    Not just American nationalism:

    https://www.unz.com/ldinh/on-nationalism/

    And that’s not including all the Russian nationalist writers here also.

  15. @27 year old
    @anony-mouse


    their country
     
    Citation needed

    Replies: @anony-mouse

    Blacks (including ‘coloureds’) comprise 89% of the population. That’s about as high as Whites ever did in the US.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa

    • Replies: @Anonspc
    @anony-mouse

    ZA isn't really a "country", its more like a Switzerland. As an example, ZA has different capital cities, depending on which government function you're discussing.
    Natal or the Cape have very different demographics and it's more useful to think of them almost as stand alone polities than lumping them into a broad ZA

  16. @Russ
    South Africa is drawing a relatively above-average amount of attention at the moment. To recycle a comment from yesterday:

    See “How Decolonization Could Reshape South African Science” by Linda Nordling in the 7 Feb 2018 edition of Nature.

    “Does decolonizing science mean throwing out Isaac Newton, Charles Darwin and Gregor Mendel, and starting afresh with indigenous knowledge? Such demands have been made …”

    One wonders if "decolonization" down there might soon lead to de-colon-ization, healthwise.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    See “How Decolonization Could Reshape South African Science” by Linda Nordling in the 7 Feb 2018 edition of Nature.

    “Does decolonizing science mean throwing out Isaac Newton, Charles Darwin and Gregor Mendel, and starting afresh with indigenous knowledge? Such demands have been made …”

    I thought Nature was supposed to be a science magazine of some sort. First National Geographic went down the tubes, but it sounds like the rest of them too.

    “Starting afresh..” – man, if this Nature Magazine writer really thinks starting afresh won’t result in discovering the same natural laws that great scientists have already discovered, than she is no scientist at all. Maybe I should read her whole article … hell, I know that won’t happen – too much risk of exposure to high stupidity levels.

    In your terminology, Russ, it sounds like Africans are getting a re-colon-ization from the Chinese right now, per the advice of Dr. Yuo Bendova, MD, specialist in interventional proctology.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Achmed E. Newman

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9SiRNibD14

    I really have no problem with what she is saying. If Africans want to do away with all Western knowledge and try to re-invent it themselves from an African perspective, good luck to them. Maybe an African Isaac Newton will emerge someday. Maybe new forms of electricity will emerge - someday Africans will harness the ability of witches to send lightning to your hut and turn it to useful power.

    Newton himself said, "If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants", meaning the great scientists who came before him whose work he built upon. But if African want to climb down from the shoulders of the white giants and start all over again from Year Zero, more power to them. It's stupid and idiotic and millions will die, but hey, that's their decision.

    Honestly, these folks are not serious. Even as they say this they are smirking and hoping that others dumber than them will buy into their nonsense and maybe give them some no show job as a decolonization coordinator or something. In the meantime they will keep their iPhones and will not wait for Africans to re-invent the banana based transistor .

    Replies: @Night'S talker

  17. @anony-mouse
    @27 year old

    Blacks (including 'coloureds') comprise 89% of the population. That's about as high as Whites ever did in the US.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa

    Replies: @Anonspc

    ZA isn’t really a “country”, its more like a Switzerland. As an example, ZA has different capital cities, depending on which government function you’re discussing.
    Natal or the Cape have very different demographics and it’s more useful to think of them almost as stand alone polities than lumping them into a broad ZA

  18. Mandela’s co-accused in the 1963/4 Rivonia treason trial included six non-Blacks: Goldberg, Bernstein, Kantor, Hepple, Goldreich and Wolpe. Communist ideology was not indigenous to Southern Africa. It was imported from Central and Eastern Europe.

  19. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @anony-mouse


    I’m quite shocked at the lack of respect given South African nationalism on this supposedly pro-Nationalism website.
     
    We are Pro-American patriots. Your post must be tongue-in-cheek.

    Replies: @anony-mouse, @Nigerian Nationalist

    You realise Nationalists need other nationalists to survive?

    Put that IQ to good use, think strategically, in the long term.

    • Replies: @John Gruskos
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    Would you agree that Afrikaners should be given a homeland of their own, an Orania writ large, where they can live in safety and dignity?

    If the Black majority insists that Afrikaners must sit still and suffer the world's highest rates of murder and rape while having their traditional identity and morality dragged through the dirt to satisfy the Black desire for revenge, then South African Blacks are not nationalists. They are the worst sort of imperialists.

    I would sympathize with the Economic Freedom Fighters' desire to be free of Jewish monopoly capital, if they were true nationalists who recognized the right of other ethnic groups, such as the Afrikaners, to have a homeland where they can sustainably live in safety and dignity.

    By the way, there is a very good reason why American nationalists are particularly concerned with the future of Afrikaners. Like Americans, Afrikaners are a relatively new ethnic group in the world, sprung from 17th century Northwest European Protestant settler origins. If Afrikaners do not a "valid" identity worthy of respect, then neither do Americans.

    Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist, @Anonymous

  20. They are Communists Steve, Communists expropriate from the expropriators.

    Not everything is Race.

    • Replies: @jack daniels
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    You overlook the obvious. A colonized black people gain independence and soon enough a white minority with global connections worms its way back in control of the nation's wealth. That result, no matter how obtained, is not historically acceptable and something else is required.

    Replies: @DFH, @Nigerian Nationalist

  21. Former South African attorneys spread out around the Anglophone world to help their fellow Voortrekker descendants, Boers, English and Scots from RSA emigrate. Some friends have helped many escape, er, relocate over the past 25-30 years to the US, Oz, NZ, Canada and England. Some still recall the odd bit of Afrikaans, and speak it when they don’t want the kids to follow along. Few would ever consider returning even though their families had lived in RSA for generations and helped build elements of that country.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Ivy

    I've known several South African ex-pats over the years. There's one in my homeschool group in fact. They all just shake their heads and shrug in helplessness when talking about their former home.

    Actually they just confirm what used to be my naive conceit about the rest of the world: namely, that everyone who can move to the US will eventually try. The world is filled with people who are Americans on the inside. Their reasons for leaving all come down to "Where can I safely prosper?"

    Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

  22. This post was too complicated for me. Bottom line, is the New York Times white supremacist now?

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @International Jew


    This post was too complicated for me. Bottom line, is the New York Times white supremacist now?
     
    Forget race. The New York Times is on the side of the rich.

    There's a complicated hierarchy of race and gender and all that identity politics/victim points nonsense but it's meaningless. What matters is to ensure that the rich stay rich and that the power and wealth of the rich remain unchallenged.
  23. I can remember when South Africa was an industrialised nation with safe water, reliable electricity, the rule of law, and a civilised government.

    Something fundamental changed….

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Autochthon


    "I can remember when South Africa was an industrialised nation with safe water, reliable electricity, the rule of law, and a civilised government."
     
    Not so much in the Homelands, though.

    Ironic that the regime of Bush the Dumber would choose to use "Homeland" to refer to the US. Has the plan all along been to degrade us?
  24. Jews bringing in lots and lots of Third World peoples is not in Jewish interests. Jews historically have preferred to risk death from Hitler than say, moving to the Dominican Republic with an interest free loan. Revealed preference. And even today the Jewish community in South America is about zero outside of Chile and Argentina, the most developed and White nations.

    Upper class Jews are not acting in their Jewish interests, they are acting as family/clan dynasts in their family/clan self interest. Just like other upper class Whites and especially Oligarch Whites. Far from suffering from excessive altruism, Upper Class people from Angela Merkel to Mark Zuckerberg to Nancy Pelosi to the Bush clan are practicing “WASP Adventurism”

    Yes many/most are not WASPs, but they are doing what say, Stanley Anne Dunham has done: intermarried and befriended foreign oligarchs in a bid to cut up countries and nations into semi-hereditary possessions for them and theirs. There are no landed estates, no great amounts of peasants formally under their control. But it amounts to the same thing and the motivations to ally themselves with various foreign oligarchs are the same: MONEY AND POWER.

    An upper class WASP or Jew alike, benefits from a giant subservient and compliant Third World servant class that is dirt cheap. Alike they benefit from drowning competition to themselves and their children from lower class Whites in a sea of Third World aggression and poverty. Alike they practice AS A RELIGION — SOCIAL DARWINISM in the sense that they view Whites who cannot compete against a sea of cheap Third world labor as “lacking” and deserving to die, not having been born with privileges or extraordinary talent or looks or luck.

    Much of what is wrong with the West is not Marx but Darwin. They actively voice the opinion, from Kevin Williamson to “Turd Blossom” Karl Rove to John McCain that Whites who don’t want to compete against 6.5 billion desperately poor people are “losers who deserve to die.” And that is given hyper-growth by the natural Darwinistic tendencies of White women to “lets you and him fight” which amplifies the dynastic impulses of the elite.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Whiskey

    Brazil has a significant Jewish community (over 100,000). Other Latin countries (aside from Argentina) tend to have small Jewish populations but the few that they have tend to be prosperous and influential. A lot of the "Mexicans" in Hollywood are really Jewish (or if they aren't Jewish they're Lebanese Christians). As things go south in various Latin countries (e.g. Venezuela, Puerto Rico, Cuba) the Jews of that country tend to end up in Miami. The famous Chilean TV host "Don Francisco" is really named Mario Kreutzberger and when he is not filming his TV show he lives in Miami.

    As long as things don't go too far south, Jewish elites can live pretty nicely in places like Brasil or the future Brasil del Norte. Sure you might have to have barbed wire and broken glass around the top of the wall around your house and maybe if you are rich enough armed security, but servants are pretty cheap and there are really nice restaurants, shopping districts, etc. in the big cities. Americans have the wrong idea about places like Mexico City - the nice parts of the city are as nice or nicer than most American cities. For the elites, the prospect of future America as Brazil is not that frightening.

    What is missing in these countries is not the rich - they have a fair amount of those, but the great middle class that America has (or had) - guys who are working stiffs but their job is in the unionized factory or the skilled trades so they make $70 or $80K with overtime ( or sometimes even more). In a Mexican auto factory, the going rate is $2.25/hr. But not many Jews work as auto assemblers.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Johann Ricke

  25. @anony-mouse
    I'm quite shocked at the lack of respect given South African nationalism on this supposedly pro-Nationalism website.

    Zuma and others are trying to strengthen their country's Black African identity, but it appears people here vigorously oppose those actions which would hurt the White minority. While many in South Africa want Black control over a Black society its interesting that people here support more diversity.

    Here we have the White minority that disproportionally controls the country's economic resources and especially its finance and media. And all because they have a higher IQ. Something must be done.

    Amandla!

    Replies: @27 year old, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @jack daniels

    Why must people with higher IQ run everything? Lots of them are crooks and others are evil. I want to see Ireland run by Irish, Poland by Poles, and South Africa by Africans. Why must Jews get to run everything with their great genius but selfish motives? I’m not a fan of the ANC but it is depressing to see how easily they have been “co-opted” by the usual suspects.

  26. @Nigerian Nationalist
    They are Communists Steve, Communists expropriate from the expropriators.

    Not everything is Race.

    Replies: @jack daniels

    You overlook the obvious. A colonized black people gain independence and soon enough a white minority with global connections worms its way back in control of the nation’s wealth. That result, no matter how obtained, is not historically acceptable and something else is required.

    • Replies: @DFH
    @jack daniels

    The Boers have been living there longer than the Bantu (almost all of the blacks) and built whatever wealth there was in South Africa.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @snorlax, @Nigerian Nationalist, @Anonymous

    , @Nigerian Nationalist
    @jack daniels

    You have a point, mine though was that the language being used is one straight out of the Communist playbook.

    Which is no big surprise considering SA's history.

  27. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Russ


    See “How Decolonization Could Reshape South African Science” by Linda Nordling in the 7 Feb 2018 edition of Nature.

    “Does decolonizing science mean throwing out Isaac Newton, Charles Darwin and Gregor Mendel, and starting afresh with indigenous knowledge? Such demands have been made …”

     
    I thought Nature was supposed to be a science magazine of some sort. First National Geographic went down the tubes, but it sounds like the rest of them too.

    "Starting afresh.." - man, if this Nature Magazine writer really thinks starting afresh won't result in discovering the same natural laws that great scientists have already discovered, than she is no scientist at all. Maybe I should read her whole article ... hell, I know that won't happen - too much risk of exposure to high stupidity levels.

    In your terminology, Russ, it sounds like Africans are getting a re-colon-ization from the Chinese right now, per the advice of Dr. Yuo Bendova, MD, specialist in interventional proctology.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I really have no problem with what she is saying. If Africans want to do away with all Western knowledge and try to re-invent it themselves from an African perspective, good luck to them. Maybe an African Isaac Newton will emerge someday. Maybe new forms of electricity will emerge – someday Africans will harness the ability of witches to send lightning to your hut and turn it to useful power.

    Newton himself said, “If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants”, meaning the great scientists who came before him whose work he built upon. But if African want to climb down from the shoulders of the white giants and start all over again from Year Zero, more power to them. It’s stupid and idiotic and millions will die, but hey, that’s their decision.

    Honestly, these folks are not serious. Even as they say this they are smirking and hoping that others dumber than them will buy into their nonsense and maybe give them some no show job as a decolonization coordinator or something. In the meantime they will keep their iPhones and will not wait for Africans to re-invent the banana based transistor .

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Night'S talker
    @Jack D

    Something tells their idea of decolonizing science means conducting experiments white people already have and acting like they came up with it. A lot like rap music.

  28. @jack daniels
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    You overlook the obvious. A colonized black people gain independence and soon enough a white minority with global connections worms its way back in control of the nation's wealth. That result, no matter how obtained, is not historically acceptable and something else is required.

    Replies: @DFH, @Nigerian Nationalist

    The Boers have been living there longer than the Bantu (almost all of the blacks) and built whatever wealth there was in South Africa.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @DFH


    The Boers have been living there longer than the Bantu (almost all of the blacks) and built whatever wealth there was in South Africa.
     
    Yes, but the Boers stupidly let them in to change their beds.

    Still, they were on the same continent. What's Dixie's excuse?
    , @snorlax
    @DFH

    The British built more wealth than the Boers, but the Boers certainly outdid the Bantu.

    , @Nigerian Nationalist
    @DFH

    That's incorrect, but let's leave that to the side.

    The Native Indians, have... you get the idea.

    The Boers lost the war, through the graciousness of the Blacks they didn't get the same treatment you meted out to the Native Americans.

    , @Anonymous
    @DFH


    The Boers have been living there longer than the Bantu (almost all of the blacks)
     
    Bantu peoples arrived in modern-day South Africa 1500 years ago, the Dutch established a permanent settlement in 1652.But what’s a thousand years between friends?

    The Cape Town area (a small region) did indeed have fewer Bantus. The arid Karoo beyond Cape Town was not attractive to the Bantu pastoralists, so they didn’t really cross over. Even today, the Western Cape has different demographics to the rest of Sourh Africa.

    But the idea of hordes of Africans moving south over the Limpopo just as the Boers decided to move north is an obvious and convenient fabrication.

    The Boers bad superior technology, better social organisation, and were smarter. There is no reason to rely on dubious terra nullius claims to justify their dominance.
  29. Isn’t it more Indian (Dot, not Feather) South Asian monopoly capital anyway?

    • Replies: @George
    @The Alarmist

    When Guptas and Oppenhiemers fight, China wins!!!

    It appears the main Chinese payment processor, WeChat, is owned by Tencent, which is owned by South African retailer Naspers. But I am having trouble bringing the conspiracy theory full circle to Soros, Likud, and the Milner Group.

    BTW, Unz.com should consider publishing Black Agenda Report content just for the fun of it.

  30. That brawl in The World’s Funniest Deliberative Body has a distinct Chuck E. Cheese’s vibe to it.

  31. @The Alarmist
    Isn't it more Indian (Dot, not Feather) South Asian monopoly capital anyway?

    Replies: @George

    When Guptas and Oppenhiemers fight, China wins!!!

    It appears the main Chinese payment processor, WeChat, is owned by Tencent, which is owned by South African retailer Naspers. But I am having trouble bringing the conspiracy theory full circle to Soros, Likud, and the Milner Group.

    BTW, Unz.com should consider publishing Black Agenda Report content just for the fun of it.

  32. @Autochthon
    I can remember when South Africa was an industrialised nation with safe water, reliable electricity, the rule of law, and a civilised government.

    Something fundamental changed....

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    “I can remember when South Africa was an industrialised nation with safe water, reliable electricity, the rule of law, and a civilised government.”

    Not so much in the Homelands, though.

    Ironic that the regime of Bush the Dumber would choose to use “Homeland” to refer to the US. Has the plan all along been to degrade us?

  33. @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    You realise Nationalists need other nationalists to survive?

    Put that IQ to good use, think strategically, in the long term.

    Replies: @John Gruskos

    Would you agree that Afrikaners should be given a homeland of their own, an Orania writ large, where they can live in safety and dignity?

    If the Black majority insists that Afrikaners must sit still and suffer the world’s highest rates of murder and rape while having their traditional identity and morality dragged through the dirt to satisfy the Black desire for revenge, then South African Blacks are not nationalists. They are the worst sort of imperialists.

    I would sympathize with the Economic Freedom Fighters’ desire to be free of Jewish monopoly capital, if they were true nationalists who recognized the right of other ethnic groups, such as the Afrikaners, to have a homeland where they can sustainably live in safety and dignity.

    By the way, there is a very good reason why American nationalists are particularly concerned with the future of Afrikaners. Like Americans, Afrikaners are a relatively new ethnic group in the world, sprung from 17th century Northwest European Protestant settler origins. If Afrikaners do not a “valid” identity worthy of respect, then neither do Americans.

    • Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist
    @John Gruskos

    That's not how Nations are built my friend of I'm guessing Eastern European descent.

    You should know that, were that so, Spain, the Brits, the French and most of Europe really would not have States. The Afrikaners tried to build a nation, they failed.

    However, now that they are South Africans, what they ought to do is work hand-in-hand with other South African nationalists to build a great South Africa. What foreigners like you often fail to understand or willfully ignore is that they are Black South Africans who detest the state of their country.

    Join hands with them and do what needs doing.

    Nations aren't kumbaya gatherings, they are a useful vehicle of emotion that allows reforming elites to centralise power, crush dissidents and protect the frontiers.

    No offence, but I never understood Nationalists like you who fetishize Balkanized States, it's almost like you want to be dominated by the larger States.

    , @Anonymous
    @John Gruskos

    Afrikaners are land fetishists, but, when the time comes, the "slow brother" tends to inherit the family farm, while the smart kids go to the city to make their fortunes. Last I checked, maize yields in SA were pathetic, compared to the west. The white SA farmers only look good in comparison to unskilled goons who get land out of redistribution schemes. Game farming is a more lucrative option, but they'd then be heavily dependent on international sentiment.

    The Afrikaner homeland is an interesting dream, but I doubt that the outcome would be a thriving economy, rather than a constant brain-drain to rump South Africa, or overseas, followed by stagnation and slow collapse.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  34. @Ivy
    Former South African attorneys spread out around the Anglophone world to help their fellow Voortrekker descendants, Boers, English and Scots from RSA emigrate. Some friends have helped many escape, er, relocate over the past 25-30 years to the US, Oz, NZ, Canada and England. Some still recall the odd bit of Afrikaans, and speak it when they don't want the kids to follow along. Few would ever consider returning even though their families had lived in RSA for generations and helped build elements of that country.

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    I’ve known several South African ex-pats over the years. There’s one in my homeschool group in fact. They all just shake their heads and shrug in helplessness when talking about their former home.

    Actually they just confirm what used to be my naive conceit about the rest of the world: namely, that everyone who can move to the US will eventually try. The world is filled with people who are Americans on the inside. Their reasons for leaving all come down to “Where can I safely prosper?”

    Someone correct me if I’m wrong.

  35. Joel Netshitenzhe

    That’s the funniest surname since Sodabottlewalla.

  36. @DFH
    @jack daniels

    The Boers have been living there longer than the Bantu (almost all of the blacks) and built whatever wealth there was in South Africa.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @snorlax, @Nigerian Nationalist, @Anonymous

    The Boers have been living there longer than the Bantu (almost all of the blacks) and built whatever wealth there was in South Africa.

    Yes, but the Boers stupidly let them in to change their beds.

    Still, they were on the same continent. What’s Dixie’s excuse?

  37. @DFH
    @jack daniels

    The Boers have been living there longer than the Bantu (almost all of the blacks) and built whatever wealth there was in South Africa.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @snorlax, @Nigerian Nationalist, @Anonymous

    The British built more wealth than the Boers, but the Boers certainly outdid the Bantu.

  38. @DFH
    @jack daniels

    The Boers have been living there longer than the Bantu (almost all of the blacks) and built whatever wealth there was in South Africa.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @snorlax, @Nigerian Nationalist, @Anonymous

    That’s incorrect, but let’s leave that to the side.

    The Native Indians, have… you get the idea.

    The Boers lost the war, through the graciousness of the Blacks they didn’t get the same treatment you meted out to the Native Americans.

  39. @jack daniels
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    You overlook the obvious. A colonized black people gain independence and soon enough a white minority with global connections worms its way back in control of the nation's wealth. That result, no matter how obtained, is not historically acceptable and something else is required.

    Replies: @DFH, @Nigerian Nationalist

    You have a point, mine though was that the language being used is one straight out of the Communist playbook.

    Which is no big surprise considering SA’s history.

  40. @Whiskey
    Jews bringing in lots and lots of Third World peoples is not in Jewish interests. Jews historically have preferred to risk death from Hitler than say, moving to the Dominican Republic with an interest free loan. Revealed preference. And even today the Jewish community in South America is about zero outside of Chile and Argentina, the most developed and White nations.

    Upper class Jews are not acting in their Jewish interests, they are acting as family/clan dynasts in their family/clan self interest. Just like other upper class Whites and especially Oligarch Whites. Far from suffering from excessive altruism, Upper Class people from Angela Merkel to Mark Zuckerberg to Nancy Pelosi to the Bush clan are practicing "WASP Adventurism"

    Yes many/most are not WASPs, but they are doing what say, Stanley Anne Dunham has done: intermarried and befriended foreign oligarchs in a bid to cut up countries and nations into semi-hereditary possessions for them and theirs. There are no landed estates, no great amounts of peasants formally under their control. But it amounts to the same thing and the motivations to ally themselves with various foreign oligarchs are the same: MONEY AND POWER.

    An upper class WASP or Jew alike, benefits from a giant subservient and compliant Third World servant class that is dirt cheap. Alike they benefit from drowning competition to themselves and their children from lower class Whites in a sea of Third World aggression and poverty. Alike they practice AS A RELIGION -- SOCIAL DARWINISM in the sense that they view Whites who cannot compete against a sea of cheap Third world labor as "lacking" and deserving to die, not having been born with privileges or extraordinary talent or looks or luck.

    Much of what is wrong with the West is not Marx but Darwin. They actively voice the opinion, from Kevin Williamson to "Turd Blossom" Karl Rove to John McCain that Whites who don't want to compete against 6.5 billion desperately poor people are "losers who deserve to die." And that is given hyper-growth by the natural Darwinistic tendencies of White women to "lets you and him fight" which amplifies the dynastic impulses of the elite.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Brazil has a significant Jewish community (over 100,000). Other Latin countries (aside from Argentina) tend to have small Jewish populations but the few that they have tend to be prosperous and influential. A lot of the “Mexicans” in Hollywood are really Jewish (or if they aren’t Jewish they’re Lebanese Christians). As things go south in various Latin countries (e.g. Venezuela, Puerto Rico, Cuba) the Jews of that country tend to end up in Miami. The famous Chilean TV host “Don Francisco” is really named Mario Kreutzberger and when he is not filming his TV show he lives in Miami.

    As long as things don’t go too far south, Jewish elites can live pretty nicely in places like Brasil or the future Brasil del Norte. Sure you might have to have barbed wire and broken glass around the top of the wall around your house and maybe if you are rich enough armed security, but servants are pretty cheap and there are really nice restaurants, shopping districts, etc. in the big cities. Americans have the wrong idea about places like Mexico City – the nice parts of the city are as nice or nicer than most American cities. For the elites, the prospect of future America as Brazil is not that frightening.

    What is missing in these countries is not the rich – they have a fair amount of those, but the great middle class that America has (or had) – guys who are working stiffs but their job is in the unionized factory or the skilled trades so they make $70 or $80K with overtime ( or sometimes even more). In a Mexican auto factory, the going rate is $2.25/hr. But not many Jews work as auto assemblers.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Jack D

    Brasil do Norte. "Del" is Spanish.

    It should be noted that, with few exceptions, even middle class people in Brazil live behind gates and walls with broken glass on top. But it's a pretty decent place if you have grana.

    Replies: @Autochthon

    , @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    In a Mexican auto factory, the going rate is $2.25/hr. But not many Jews work as auto assemblers.
     
    Including bennies, that number is higher (or was, as of 2015):

    American automakers pay Mexican workers $8 to $10 per hour, including benefits. Even among the Detroit Three, there is a gap, according to the CAR: GM’s labor costs average $58 per hour, while Ford is at $57 per hour and FCA workers average $48. That difference is partly because FCA has more workers earning the lower, entry-level wage.
     
  41. Anonymous [AKA "Fred Sloan"] says:
    @Anonspc
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=etpWnbqBc5I

    This is an absolutely incredible video (run time is an hour and change but if you cut out the intro and ?s after it's about 30 mins) by a top tier ZA think tank leader spelling out in explicit, clear terms how dire ZA's economic position is going forwards.
    It is almost mathematically certain ZA will have positively collapsed by 2024.
    In 1989 they were a more or less first world country, capable of producing a Musk and pioneering open heart surgery, and by 2024 it is near certain ZA will collapse to the point of energy production failure and inability to provide basic medical care

    Replies: @Anonymous

    It’s hard to see how South Africa “produced a Musk”. He is half-Canadian, and got out as soon as he could (in ’88 or 89, when you say it was a first-world country).

    Perhaps the kindest thing that can be said is that SA didn’t get a chance to crush him, despite the violent bullying he experienced in school, or conscript him and sacrifice him to the Angolan bush.

    As for the collapse of SA, it’s been predicted for decades, yet the country continues muddling along, perhaps because of its vast mineral wealth.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    @Anonymous

    No, no, no. The collapse has already occurred. The muddling is the collapse. These things happen not with a bang, but a whimper. What, do you demand a nuclear apocalypse or a bloody civil war before you will declare the place collapsed? It used to be about the only industrialised nation on the continent. Now it is increasingly just like all the others. The infrastructure is crumbling, not maintained much less repaired or improved. Violence and lawlessness abound, especially against those of European stock, and both technological and cultural achievement, along with investments, are insignificant. Must there be a neon sign reading "The Place Has Collapsed" erected atop the parliamentary chambers before one acknowledges the fact?

    (Indeed, what used to be the U.S.A. is similarly long in the collapsing, but all the same markers (and many others, mostly the invasion) are there. This stuff does not usually have a grand flashpoint. For better or worse, there will be no Romantic moments at Fort Sumter, Lexington & Concord, or the Bastille. Your children's lives will just be briefer and shittier than yours, and there will be less of them, then a bit worse for their children , and so on,until we are like the Hittites, Picts, and Etruscans (or even the Romans or Egyptians, for all that): an interesting, maybe even remarkable or admirable people who had a good run but shit the bed in the end.)

    So it goes.

    , @G Pinfold
    @Anonymous

    Musk?
    Hah. Well back home he would be seen as of a certain type, a stereotype you might say. An aggressive salesman, hugely sure of his project or product until the backers are stuck with it. The name for him starts with ‘joburg’ and ends with brackets. A known type.

  42. @Daniel H
    The Times's campaign isn't surprising. It all comes down to that who is zommin whom thing you often refer to. The Times couldn't be persuaded to cover the hundreds of homicides of white farmers in both Zimbabwe and South Africa. How many Times writers or editors have ever worked on a farm, let alone one in the African bush, where dangerous wildlife is the least of problems? The Times couldn't be persuaded to report on or condemn the ANC for the "one settler, one bullet" chants that used to go on at their rallies. After all, nobody at the Times is a white South African who doesn't hold an alternate passport of some safe white country. The Times couldn't be persuaded to report on the ominous, portentous murmurs going around black South African circles of the reprisals being planed, just holding off until old man Mandela passes. Again, nobody writing for the Times is a Boer, stuck in that increasingly benighted country without a safe passport.

    But menace white capital. Whoa. Capital and the manipulators of it are the Times's bailiwick. I have no doubt that many Times writers/editors have family members/friends who are Wall Streeters. I am sure that for many Times writers/editors a Wall Street career may be a lifeline when pink slip arrives, showing them the door. As for the Times's publisher's office, The Times's advertising business depends at this point on the huge campaigns run by elite purveyors, be it expensive coutre, real estate, etc., that are marketed to Wall Streeters. To attack White Capital is to attack the very heart of the New York Times. The Times takes careful notice when their own tail is being targeted.

    Replies: @Slim

    The Times couldn’t be persuaded to report on the ominous, portentous murmurs going around black South African circles of the reprisals being planed, just holding off until old man Mandela passes.

    FYI: Mandela died in 2013.

  43. @Jack D
    @Whiskey

    Brazil has a significant Jewish community (over 100,000). Other Latin countries (aside from Argentina) tend to have small Jewish populations but the few that they have tend to be prosperous and influential. A lot of the "Mexicans" in Hollywood are really Jewish (or if they aren't Jewish they're Lebanese Christians). As things go south in various Latin countries (e.g. Venezuela, Puerto Rico, Cuba) the Jews of that country tend to end up in Miami. The famous Chilean TV host "Don Francisco" is really named Mario Kreutzberger and when he is not filming his TV show he lives in Miami.

    As long as things don't go too far south, Jewish elites can live pretty nicely in places like Brasil or the future Brasil del Norte. Sure you might have to have barbed wire and broken glass around the top of the wall around your house and maybe if you are rich enough armed security, but servants are pretty cheap and there are really nice restaurants, shopping districts, etc. in the big cities. Americans have the wrong idea about places like Mexico City - the nice parts of the city are as nice or nicer than most American cities. For the elites, the prospect of future America as Brazil is not that frightening.

    What is missing in these countries is not the rich - they have a fair amount of those, but the great middle class that America has (or had) - guys who are working stiffs but their job is in the unionized factory or the skilled trades so they make $70 or $80K with overtime ( or sometimes even more). In a Mexican auto factory, the going rate is $2.25/hr. But not many Jews work as auto assemblers.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Johann Ricke

    Brasil do Norte. “Del” is Spanish.

    It should be noted that, with few exceptions, even middle class people in Brazil live behind gates and walls with broken glass on top. But it’s a pretty decent place if you have grana.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    @AndrewR

    Brasil del Norte is in fact the more appropriate. Brasil is invoked as an example of the imminent socioeconomic conditions, not the language, which will be Spanish, Chinese, and a selection of the hojillion Hindoo tongues (with English preserved by the rich and powerful) – but mostly Spanish. Hence, del: the invasion is not predominantly lusiphone, but españaphone....

  44. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @DFH
    @jack daniels

    The Boers have been living there longer than the Bantu (almost all of the blacks) and built whatever wealth there was in South Africa.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @snorlax, @Nigerian Nationalist, @Anonymous

    The Boers have been living there longer than the Bantu (almost all of the blacks)

    Bantu peoples arrived in modern-day South Africa 1500 years ago, the Dutch established a permanent settlement in 1652.But what’s a thousand years between friends?

    The Cape Town area (a small region) did indeed have fewer Bantus. The arid Karoo beyond Cape Town was not attractive to the Bantu pastoralists, so they didn’t really cross over. Even today, the Western Cape has different demographics to the rest of Sourh Africa.

    But the idea of hordes of Africans moving south over the Limpopo just as the Boers decided to move north is an obvious and convenient fabrication.

    The Boers bad superior technology, better social organisation, and were smarter. There is no reason to rely on dubious terra nullius claims to justify their dominance.

  45. @Jack D
    @Whiskey

    Brazil has a significant Jewish community (over 100,000). Other Latin countries (aside from Argentina) tend to have small Jewish populations but the few that they have tend to be prosperous and influential. A lot of the "Mexicans" in Hollywood are really Jewish (or if they aren't Jewish they're Lebanese Christians). As things go south in various Latin countries (e.g. Venezuela, Puerto Rico, Cuba) the Jews of that country tend to end up in Miami. The famous Chilean TV host "Don Francisco" is really named Mario Kreutzberger and when he is not filming his TV show he lives in Miami.

    As long as things don't go too far south, Jewish elites can live pretty nicely in places like Brasil or the future Brasil del Norte. Sure you might have to have barbed wire and broken glass around the top of the wall around your house and maybe if you are rich enough armed security, but servants are pretty cheap and there are really nice restaurants, shopping districts, etc. in the big cities. Americans have the wrong idea about places like Mexico City - the nice parts of the city are as nice or nicer than most American cities. For the elites, the prospect of future America as Brazil is not that frightening.

    What is missing in these countries is not the rich - they have a fair amount of those, but the great middle class that America has (or had) - guys who are working stiffs but their job is in the unionized factory or the skilled trades so they make $70 or $80K with overtime ( or sometimes even more). In a Mexican auto factory, the going rate is $2.25/hr. But not many Jews work as auto assemblers.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Johann Ricke

    In a Mexican auto factory, the going rate is $2.25/hr. But not many Jews work as auto assemblers.

    Including bennies, that number is higher (or was, as of 2015):

    American automakers pay Mexican workers $8 to $10 per hour, including benefits. Even among the Detroit Three, there is a gap, according to the CAR: GM’s labor costs average $58 per hour, while Ford is at $57 per hour and FCA workers average $48. That difference is partly because FCA has more workers earning the lower, entry-level wage.

  46. @AndrewR
    @Jack D

    Brasil do Norte. "Del" is Spanish.

    It should be noted that, with few exceptions, even middle class people in Brazil live behind gates and walls with broken glass on top. But it's a pretty decent place if you have grana.

    Replies: @Autochthon

    Brasil del Norte is in fact the more appropriate. Brasil is invoked as an example of the imminent socioeconomic conditions, not the language, which will be Spanish, Chinese, and a selection of the hojillion Hindoo tongues (with English preserved by the rich and powerful) – but mostly Spanish. Hence, del: the invasion is not predominantly lusiphone, but españaphone….

  47. @Anonymous
    @Anonspc

    It's hard to see how South Africa "produced a Musk". He is half-Canadian, and got out as soon as he could (in '88 or 89, when you say it was a first-world country).

    Perhaps the kindest thing that can be said is that SA didn't get a chance to crush him, despite the violent bullying he experienced in school, or conscript him and sacrifice him to the Angolan bush.

    As for the collapse of SA, it's been predicted for decades, yet the country continues muddling along, perhaps because of its vast mineral wealth.

    Replies: @Autochthon, @G Pinfold

    No, no, no. The collapse has already occurred. The muddling is the collapse. These things happen not with a bang, but a whimper. What, do you demand a nuclear apocalypse or a bloody civil war before you will declare the place collapsed? It used to be about the only industrialised nation on the continent. Now it is increasingly just like all the others. The infrastructure is crumbling, not maintained much less repaired or improved. Violence and lawlessness abound, especially against those of European stock, and both technological and cultural achievement, along with investments, are insignificant. Must there be a neon sign reading “The Place Has Collapsed” erected atop the parliamentary chambers before one acknowledges the fact?

    (Indeed, what used to be the U.S.A. is similarly long in the collapsing, but all the same markers (and many others, mostly the invasion) are there. This stuff does not usually have a grand flashpoint. For better or worse, there will be no Romantic moments at Fort Sumter, Lexington & Concord, or the Bastille. Your children’s lives will just be briefer and shittier than yours, and there will be less of them, then a bit worse for their children , and so on,until we are like the Hittites, Picts, and Etruscans (or even the Romans or Egyptians, for all that): an interesting, maybe even remarkable or admirable people who had a good run but shit the bed in the end.)

    So it goes.

  48. @International Jew
    This post was too complicated for me. Bottom line, is the New York Times white supremacist now?

    Replies: @dfordoom

    This post was too complicated for me. Bottom line, is the New York Times white supremacist now?

    Forget race. The New York Times is on the side of the rich.

    There’s a complicated hierarchy of race and gender and all that identity politics/victim points nonsense but it’s meaningless. What matters is to ensure that the rich stay rich and that the power and wealth of the rich remain unchallenged.

  49. @Achmed E. Newman
    I realize that this is not your main point, but that diamond business monopoly you mention was just amazing to me when I read about it ~ 10 years back. A guy named Edward J. Epstein has a near book-length piece of writing on the history of that monopoly on production, marketing, and sales.

    It's pretty amazing - it starts here with Chapter links on the left there. I will say that the diamond monopoly project seemed to have folks from all ethnic groups involved in it. It was/is an equal-opportunity scam.

    (Peak Stupidity on "You've got a friend in the Diamond Business", Part 1, Part 2, and Part 3.)

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    I realize that this is not your main point, but that diamond business monopoly you mention was just amazing to me when I read about it ~ 10 years back.

    An even more amazing deal, is DeBeers and the jewelry traders convincing young men and women throughout the West that somehow it’s an inherent part of our culture to spend a month or two of the guy’s hard earned dollars on a pretty rock that does absolutely nothing. (Giving these merchants who do nothing remotely useful a pretty nice living in the process.)

    It’s amazing young men have fallen for this con. You need to give her a super-expensive bauble, to seal a deal where she gets an appreciating asset–your paycheck–and you get a depreciating asset–her sexual attractiveness … and a deal she now can cancel at any time if you don’t make her haaaaapppy.

    Ok … once upon a time in the West, when she was supposed to be a virgin, you can kind of see it. Sex was generally more scarce. And her virginity has market value–she gets to accept just one offer and has to live with it. So if she is accepting your offer this is it, and she really doesn’t have as nice a shot at another deal. The rock sort of squares it up, gives you skin in the game and provides a bit of security for her. (Some places even had “breach of promise” laws to nail it down.)

    But what the heck is the point now? An expensive pretty rock for these well worn 30ish well-past-peak attractiveness tick-clock gals, so they can post pics on Facebook? They ought to be offering you dowry!

    Seriously, if you’re a young man, don’t do it. If you decide–after she passes some critical questioning that indicates she sort of gets the whole marriage thing–to pull the trigger, don’t waste your money. If she then throws a hissy–tell her, “uh, no thanks” and show her the door. If she’s capable of rational conversation, you can indicate that after she provides four or five kids and has been a faithful and loyal wife and mother for 25 years, then if she wants one, you’ll spring for it.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @AnotherDad

    Yep, per my posts (you should read em) and Mr. Epstein's on-line book that I linked to, the marketing campaign to introduce the whole diamond engagement ring business to the middle class was one hell of a thing. Hollywood movie makers were involved, of course.

    I agree with your last paragraph too, A.D. I'm not really the devious type, but, per my 3rd post on this stuff, one way to handle your reluctance to buy a nice rock get ripped off by a big scam is to bring up the SJW angle:


    Here's what you tell your young lady:

    "Listen, I'd love to buy you that big diamond we saw at Jarrod, and yes I know it makes you horny (for a while). It's just that, sob sob ..."

    "Yes? What's wrong, honey... wait, you've GOT THE MONEY, don't you?!"

    "Yes, it's not that ... it's just ... well, the terrible conditions in the mines in these countries in Africa ... I'm so concerned. There are murders every day. Rape! Genocide! I can't be part of this ... no way!"

    "Ohhh.... "

    "Yeah, I think I should get you a ruby instead. Sure, they're, cough, cough .. a little bit, cough, cough, cheaper, but they come from different African countries where all the miners do is kick the ever-lovin' shit out of each other."
     
  50. @John Gruskos
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    Would you agree that Afrikaners should be given a homeland of their own, an Orania writ large, where they can live in safety and dignity?

    If the Black majority insists that Afrikaners must sit still and suffer the world's highest rates of murder and rape while having their traditional identity and morality dragged through the dirt to satisfy the Black desire for revenge, then South African Blacks are not nationalists. They are the worst sort of imperialists.

    I would sympathize with the Economic Freedom Fighters' desire to be free of Jewish monopoly capital, if they were true nationalists who recognized the right of other ethnic groups, such as the Afrikaners, to have a homeland where they can sustainably live in safety and dignity.

    By the way, there is a very good reason why American nationalists are particularly concerned with the future of Afrikaners. Like Americans, Afrikaners are a relatively new ethnic group in the world, sprung from 17th century Northwest European Protestant settler origins. If Afrikaners do not a "valid" identity worthy of respect, then neither do Americans.

    Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist, @Anonymous

    That’s not how Nations are built my friend of I’m guessing Eastern European descent.

    You should know that, were that so, Spain, the Brits, the French and most of Europe really would not have States. The Afrikaners tried to build a nation, they failed.

    However, now that they are South Africans, what they ought to do is work hand-in-hand with other South African nationalists to build a great South Africa. What foreigners like you often fail to understand or willfully ignore is that they are Black South Africans who detest the state of their country.

    Join hands with them and do what needs doing.

    Nations aren’t kumbaya gatherings, they are a useful vehicle of emotion that allows reforming elites to centralise power, crush dissidents and protect the frontiers.

    No offence, but I never understood Nationalists like you who fetishize Balkanized States, it’s almost like you want to be dominated by the larger States.

  51. she gets an appreciating asset–your paycheck–and you get a depreciating asset–her sexual attractiveness …

    Think of it as a deal that’s front-loaded in our favor!

  52. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @John Gruskos
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    Would you agree that Afrikaners should be given a homeland of their own, an Orania writ large, where they can live in safety and dignity?

    If the Black majority insists that Afrikaners must sit still and suffer the world's highest rates of murder and rape while having their traditional identity and morality dragged through the dirt to satisfy the Black desire for revenge, then South African Blacks are not nationalists. They are the worst sort of imperialists.

    I would sympathize with the Economic Freedom Fighters' desire to be free of Jewish monopoly capital, if they were true nationalists who recognized the right of other ethnic groups, such as the Afrikaners, to have a homeland where they can sustainably live in safety and dignity.

    By the way, there is a very good reason why American nationalists are particularly concerned with the future of Afrikaners. Like Americans, Afrikaners are a relatively new ethnic group in the world, sprung from 17th century Northwest European Protestant settler origins. If Afrikaners do not a "valid" identity worthy of respect, then neither do Americans.

    Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist, @Anonymous

    Afrikaners are land fetishists, but, when the time comes, the “slow brother” tends to inherit the family farm, while the smart kids go to the city to make their fortunes. Last I checked, maize yields in SA were pathetic, compared to the west. The white SA farmers only look good in comparison to unskilled goons who get land out of redistribution schemes. Game farming is a more lucrative option, but they’d then be heavily dependent on international sentiment.

    The Afrikaner homeland is an interesting dream, but I doubt that the outcome would be a thriving economy, rather than a constant brain-drain to rump South Africa, or overseas, followed by stagnation and slow collapse.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Biologically strong and beautiful, permanently cucked in the brain is the default and unchangeable condition of the Afrikaner. I'm not super keen on letting them in to the US, although I prefer them to nonwhites of course.

    Their made up kindertaal Afrikaans, their cuckish loyalty to the God-Damned Dutch Reformed Church which sold them out wholesale, their continued contempt for any real pro-White thinking......eh, phooey on the lot.

    Charlize Theron is their perfect mascot and icon.

  53. South Africa is failing. And, all the Western educated black SA young people agree. They are planning for their parents and families to move out of SA as soon as possible. And, like, duh…., the whites are finally giving up, they really are. At some point: hatred wins.

  54. @AnotherDad
    @Achmed E. Newman


    I realize that this is not your main point, but that diamond business monopoly you mention was just amazing to me when I read about it ~ 10 years back.
     
    An even more amazing deal, is DeBeers and the jewelry traders convincing young men and women throughout the West that somehow it's an inherent part of our culture to spend a month or two of the guy's hard earned dollars on a pretty rock that does absolutely nothing. (Giving these merchants who do nothing remotely useful a pretty nice living in the process.)

    It's amazing young men have fallen for this con. You need to give her a super-expensive bauble, to seal a deal where she gets an appreciating asset--your paycheck--and you get a depreciating asset--her sexual attractiveness ... and a deal she now can cancel at any time if you don't make her haaaaapppy.

    Ok ... once upon a time in the West, when she was supposed to be a virgin, you can kind of see it. Sex was generally more scarce. And her virginity has market value--she gets to accept just one offer and has to live with it. So if she is accepting your offer this is it, and she really doesn't have as nice a shot at another deal. The rock sort of squares it up, gives you skin in the game and provides a bit of security for her. (Some places even had "breach of promise" laws to nail it down.)

    But what the heck is the point now? An expensive pretty rock for these well worn 30ish well-past-peak attractiveness tick-clock gals, so they can post pics on Facebook? They ought to be offering you dowry!

    Seriously, if you're a young man, don't do it. If you decide--after she passes some critical questioning that indicates she sort of gets the whole marriage thing--to pull the trigger, don't waste your money. If she then throws a hissy--tell her, "uh, no thanks" and show her the door. If she's capable of rational conversation, you can indicate that after she provides four or five kids and has been a faithful and loyal wife and mother for 25 years, then if she wants one, you'll spring for it.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Yep, per my posts (you should read em) and Mr. Epstein’s on-line book that I linked to, the marketing campaign to introduce the whole diamond engagement ring business to the middle class was one hell of a thing. Hollywood movie makers were involved, of course.

    I agree with your last paragraph too, A.D. I’m not really the devious type, but, per my 3rd post on this stuff, one way to handle your reluctance to buy a nice rock get ripped off by a big scam is to bring up the SJW angle:

    Here’s what you tell your young lady:

    “Listen, I’d love to buy you that big diamond we saw at Jarrod, and yes I know it makes you horny (for a while). It’s just that, sob sob …”

    “Yes? What’s wrong, honey… wait, you’ve GOT THE MONEY, don’t you?!”

    “Yes, it’s not that … it’s just … well, the terrible conditions in the mines in these countries in Africa … I’m so concerned. There are murders every day. Rape! Genocide! I can’t be part of this … no way!”

    “Ohhh…. ”

    “Yeah, I think I should get you a ruby instead. Sure, they’re, cough, cough .. a little bit, cough, cough, cheaper, but they come from different African countries where all the miners do is kick the ever-lovin’ shit out of each other.”

  55. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @John Gruskos

    Afrikaners are land fetishists, but, when the time comes, the "slow brother" tends to inherit the family farm, while the smart kids go to the city to make their fortunes. Last I checked, maize yields in SA were pathetic, compared to the west. The white SA farmers only look good in comparison to unskilled goons who get land out of redistribution schemes. Game farming is a more lucrative option, but they'd then be heavily dependent on international sentiment.

    The Afrikaner homeland is an interesting dream, but I doubt that the outcome would be a thriving economy, rather than a constant brain-drain to rump South Africa, or overseas, followed by stagnation and slow collapse.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Biologically strong and beautiful, permanently cucked in the brain is the default and unchangeable condition of the Afrikaner. I’m not super keen on letting them in to the US, although I prefer them to nonwhites of course.

    Their made up kindertaal Afrikaans, their cuckish loyalty to the God-Damned Dutch Reformed Church which sold them out wholesale, their continued contempt for any real pro-White thinking……eh, phooey on the lot.

    Charlize Theron is their perfect mascot and icon.

  56. @Anonymous
    @Anonspc

    It's hard to see how South Africa "produced a Musk". He is half-Canadian, and got out as soon as he could (in '88 or 89, when you say it was a first-world country).

    Perhaps the kindest thing that can be said is that SA didn't get a chance to crush him, despite the violent bullying he experienced in school, or conscript him and sacrifice him to the Angolan bush.

    As for the collapse of SA, it's been predicted for decades, yet the country continues muddling along, perhaps because of its vast mineral wealth.

    Replies: @Autochthon, @G Pinfold

    Musk?
    Hah. Well back home he would be seen as of a certain type, a stereotype you might say. An aggressive salesman, hugely sure of his project or product until the backers are stuck with it. The name for him starts with ‘joburg’ and ends with brackets. A known type.

  57. @Jack D
    @Achmed E. Newman

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9SiRNibD14

    I really have no problem with what she is saying. If Africans want to do away with all Western knowledge and try to re-invent it themselves from an African perspective, good luck to them. Maybe an African Isaac Newton will emerge someday. Maybe new forms of electricity will emerge - someday Africans will harness the ability of witches to send lightning to your hut and turn it to useful power.

    Newton himself said, "If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants", meaning the great scientists who came before him whose work he built upon. But if African want to climb down from the shoulders of the white giants and start all over again from Year Zero, more power to them. It's stupid and idiotic and millions will die, but hey, that's their decision.

    Honestly, these folks are not serious. Even as they say this they are smirking and hoping that others dumber than them will buy into their nonsense and maybe give them some no show job as a decolonization coordinator or something. In the meantime they will keep their iPhones and will not wait for Africans to re-invent the banana based transistor .

    Replies: @Night'S talker

    Something tells their idea of decolonizing science means conducting experiments white people already have and acting like they came up with it. A lot like rap music.

  58. I’m shocked too at the lack of respect given South African nationalism. No one wants to hurt the White minority, there are a lot of problems without it! We simply have the White minority that disproportionally controls the country’s economic resources and that`s it. I have also read a lot about the topic on https://yen.com.gh/ I don’t know who will win at all, we’ll see soon.

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