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From a news article in the New York Times:

Rise of Austrian Right Lengthens Shadow of Nazi Era

The NYT achieves Godwin’s Law in 8 words. No beating around the bush here!

By ALISON SMALE SEPT. 29, 2015

VIENNA — As befits the city of Sigmund Freud, Vienna has two faces — one sweet, one sinister.

Behind the schnitzel and strudel, Mozart and the opera, lurks the legacy of the Nazis who forced Jews to clean sidewalks with toothbrushes. In 1988, to much controversy, Vienna placed Alfred Hrdlicka’s “Memorial Against War and Fascism,” featuring a sculpture of a Jewish man cleaning the street, right behind the State Opera, lest Austria again forget.

Now, to the astonishment of many and the alarm of some, the burning question in Vienna’s elegant cafes is, Which face will prevail in the city’s bellwether elections on Oct. 11?

Roughly one in four of Austria’s 8.7 million residents lives in Vienna. For almost the last century — aside from the Nazi years, 1938-45 — the left has ruled “Red Vienna,” long prized for its pioneering public housing and welfare, and its cultural ferment.

But against the backdrop of Europe’s refugee drama, the far-right Freedom Party is threatening the Social Democrats’ hold in what may portend a more general rise in populist, anti-immigrant sentiment across the Continent.

Riding a wave of anxiety over the tens of thousands of migrants entering Austria this month, the Freedom Party finished second, with just over 30 percent of the vote, in regional elections in northern Austria on Sunday.

The Freedom Party’s strident anti-Islam message seems to have struck a chord in a city whose palaces speak of the bygone glory of a multiethnic European empire, and whose public spaces now attest to increasing diversity and a Muslim population of some 12 percent.

“We don’t want an Islamization of Europe,” the party leader, Heinz-Christian Strache, told Austria’s public broadcaster as he began his campaign to be Vienna’s mayor. “We don’t want our Christian-Western culture to perish.”

In Germany, such sentiments exist on the fringe of politics. In Austria, which never underwent denazification programs after 1945, the Freedom Party has morphed from its roots in groups of former Nazis to a xenophobic message that it blends with concern for the little guy. …

Thousands of Viennese have greeted tens of thousands of refugees arriving from Hungary this month. The national government, which had long flailed on the issue, found a firm voice and strongly criticized Budapest for putting refugees on trains that led them not west to Austria, but to a camp in Hungary. This, said Chancellor Werner Faymann, a Social Democrat, “brings up memories of our Continent’s darkest period.”

Like Germany, Austria loudly advocates asylum for refugees. Its projected total of applicants, many from the Middle East, is 80,000 this year, meaning that, like Germany’s, its population may grow by 1 percent. …

Opponents of the far right hope events — the greeting of the migrants and the discovery of 71 corpses in a truck abandoned by smugglers — have turned the tables on Mr. Strache.

“These are experiences which will not be forgotten so quickly,” said Georg Hoffmann-Ostenhof, a columnist for the center-left weekly Profil. Indeed, Austria’s tabloids switched from headlines about the chaos brought by refugees to images of warm welcomes, although the arrival of tens of thousands may strain slender resources.

Not everyone is optimistic. “The people are ready to help,” said Hans Rauscher, a columnist for the Vienna newspaper Der Standard. “But don’t kid yourself. You only have to listen to the gossip in the bars” to know that anti-Muslim feeling runs high.

Far-right supporters are often reticent around foreigners, …

The only national figure present, Harald Stefan, a Freedom Party deputy in Parliament, made clear his sympathy for Hungary’s tough stance. “The Germans were to blame,” he said of the refugee surge that followed a message on Twitter from a German official widely read as saying all Syrians could enter. “You can’t blame Hungary for that.”

The Freedom Party’s campaign, titled “October Revolution,” preserves the jingoism the party has made its own. “Vienna should not become Chicago” was a favorite slogan back in the 1990s. This year, one motto is “Respect for our culture instead of false tolerance” for anything un-Austrian.

Some immigrants are acceptable: For Mr. Strache, “the Serbian Christian Orthodox” — about 100,000 people here — “are his allies against the Turks,” Mr. Rauscher said.

To counter Mr. Strache, the Social Democrats compiled a “Blue Book” of his deeds and speeches. In the introduction, Mayor Häupl writes: “History books tell us enough about where things can lead if demagogues get power. We want to make sure that no new chapters have to be written. That is why the coming elections in Vienna are decisive, and not just for our city.”

When eventually some Muslims murder some of Vienna’s few remaining Jews in an act of anti-Semitic terrorism, well, that will just elicit more articles about how it’s really the fault of Nazi-like Austrians who didn’t welcome the anti-Semitic terrorists ardently enough. Or something.

Modern progressives increasingly believe that geographic locations emit powerful magic emanations that control the behavior of people who subsequently settle there. Thus inner city neighborhoods in America cause gun violence and poor test scores. Similarly, the Nazi-tainted geography of Austria will no doubt hoodoo the poor innocent Muslim youths into taunting and beating Jews they happen to find on their turf. National borders are just artificial lines drawn on a map, but geographic juju is forever.

 
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  1. You’re missing an interesting development.

    ‘The Germans are to blame’-‘You can’t blame Hungary for that’

    Apparently the right in Austria is dumping the anchluss connection for an older one.

  2. I’ve read that Vienna is the city with the most Chechens outside of Russia.

  3. “Modern progressives increasingly believe that geographic locations emit powerful magic emanations that control the behavior of people who subsequently settle there.”

    We call it “magic dirt.”

    This is going to end in war across Europe.

  4. Going to quote that last paragraph often, Steve. Would like to point out libertarians share the same fantasies as the progressives.

  5. For once, I agree with this Negro. Homo agenda is neo-imperialism of the globo-West.

  6. Ok, too much…I’m pulling a Boehner! See you in a few weeks!

  7. Despite what the SPLC types might tell you, there hasn’t been a substantial Nazi presence in western Europe since 1945 or so.All the “Die Hard” Grubers and Tom Clancy Hollywood rewrites don’t change reality. Islamists who blow stuff up are objectively a common occurrence . Heck, those folks don’t even like a good Ocktobefest.

  8. Is this supposed to be a news article?

  9. What kind of car does Mr Strache drive ?

  10. Typical hysterical carping from a facile and compliant media. First it says “Austria loudly advocates asylum for refugees. Its projected total of applicants, many from the Middle East, is 80,000 this year” Only to be countered a little later by Hans Rauscher who states ” “But don’t kid yourself. You only have to listen to the gossip in the bars to know that anti-Muslim feeling runs high” I’m sure it does Hans, sure it does. Vienna – at some point in the future is going to resemble Mogadishu, complete with marauding third world gangs battling over the scraps. I hope Herr Rauscher stays alive long enough to see it.

  11. Smale doesn’t seem to be Jewish. I Wonder whether there is a poll of the Jewish population in Austria.

    • Replies: @J1234

    Smale doesn’t seem to be Jewish.
     
    No, but this guy, her live-in piano player boyfriend, might be.

    http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Pic-Lib-BIG/Dreznin-Sergei-01.jpg

    In the old days, women often married to climb the social ladder, and I don't think that's a female impulse that even modern liberalism can extinguish. What better way to ingratiate yourself to your high brow significant other than to take up the "cause" of his ethnicity?

    CAVEAT: I said he "might" be Jewish. I don't know that he is, but he looks as if he could be. And since speculating isn't against the law...yet....

  12. Modern progressives increasingly believe that geographic locations emit powerful magic emanations that control the behavior of people who subsequently settle there.

    Of course the hope is that the predominant emanations will be those from polite cafe society and intellectual salons — turning today’s uncouth Syrians, Afghanis and Bangladeshis into tomorrow’s Sigmund Freud and Stefan Zweig and Joseph Roth.

  13. You don’t seem to understand that Zionists are fully in favour of Muslim immigration into the West.

    This is because, with Israel completely surrounded by tens of millions of Muslims who have a passionate hatred for the Jewish state, their only viable strategy is to promote a sharp antagonistic division between the West/Israel on the one side and the Muslim world on the other. They can then use the West’s military and economic strength against Israel’s enemies.

    Muslim immigration into the West furthers this cause by creating hostility between the native whites and the invading Muslims.

    Zionists are perfectly happy to see the West degraded, even though this effects Jews living in the West, so long as they believe Israel’s interests are advanced.

    • Replies: @Deduction

    You don’t seem to understand that Zionists are fully in favour of Muslim immigration into the West.

    This is because, with Israel completely surrounded by tens of millions of Muslims who have a passionate hatred for the Jewish state, their only viable strategy is to promote a sharp antagonistic division between the West/Israel on the one side and the Muslim world on the other
     
    Those crazy strategic Jews, always thinking ahead, now they're surrounded by hostile Muslims to the north, south and east so they've cunningly devised a plan to ensure that there's hostile Muslims to the west too!
  14. According to the dogma of the Left, just about anyone who believes in national sovereignty, defined and secure borders, protecting ones people are either Nazis or Hitler.

    This is all they have in terms of weaponry – some cheap labels.

    If the Austrians learn to ignore the labels and insults the way Trump has dealt with snotty rich Republicans, globalists, Neo-Con scum, Left wing lunatics and nihilists. They might take their country back.

    But I don’t expect that to happen unless there is a nice body count of Austrians to gin up resistance. Same in Germany.

  15. German Chancellor Angela Merkel confronted Facebook Inc. Chief Executive Officer Mark Zuckerberg on how his company is progressing in efforts to curtail racist posts, after her government complained the social network wasn’t doing enough to crack down on recent xenophobic outbursts.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-26/merkel-confronts-facebook-s-zuckerberg-over-policing-hate-posts

  16. Peter Meyer [AKA "Peter Fagan"] says:

    When eventually some Muslims murder some of Vienna’s few remaining Jews in an act of anti-Semitic terrorism, well, that will just elicit more articles about how it’s really the fault of Nazi-like Austrians who didn’t welcome the anti-Semitic terrorists ardently enough.

    I wonder also how European-Israeli relations will play into this, with public opinion on the continent continuing to turn against Israel, save (ironically enough) for some of the more mainstream right-wing parties. My guess is that it will accelerate the schism between the old-stock, Jewish/Jewish-influenced American left (broadly sympathetic to Jewish issues) and the younger, multicultural left (to first approximation anti-Semitic): the old timers become immigration skeptics, the new breed remain true believers.

    • Agree: Deduction
    • Replies: @IBC
    "Old-stock lefties." Just don't say it in Canada.
  17. …Nazis who forced Jews to clean sidewalks with toothbrushes.

    Ya don’t say. Comanche Amerinds would gang rape the women they captured and slow burn the men to death over a fire. Moaist Chicoms would force women to bury their children alive. You want me to clean your sidewalk with a toothbrush?

    I don’t think Alison has much perspective on the cruelty humans are capable of. Now that crucifixion is making a comeback I want to point out to merciful power that be I would prefer that over impalement.

  18. Neoconned [AKA "truth is treason"] says:

    I like the constant references to the Nazis being on the right. Hitler’s political views were far closer to the average NY Times writer than the average paleo conservative.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan

    I like the constant references to the Nazis being on the right. Hitler’s political views were far closer to the average NY Times writer than the average paleo conservative
     
    Change hatred of the Jews to hatred of unenlightened whites, and you might have a point.
    , @thinkingabout it
    Stop it man. The Nazis were an extreme right wing party, as were the fascists. Stop dumbing down the discussion here.
  19. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Modern progressives increasingly believe that geographic locations emit powerful magic emanations that control the behavior of people who subsequently settle there.”

    Doesn’t Data! and Science! prove it is something in the water? Probably the same sort of water that makes the difference between the US and Mexico. The truly weird left once called it vril.

    I think these mystic leftists and their vril really were tied up with the Rosicrucians. There are out there — muddled confusions. Mystics seem to always be the worst of those following isms, there’s just no arguing with them.

  20. “Behind the schnitzel and strudel, Mozart and the opera, lurks the legacy of the Nazis who forced Jews to clean sidewalks with toothbrushes.”

    “behind the fried chicken and watermelon, Hendrix and jazz…”

    This is why doublethink is compulsory. Ingsoc is prima facie absurd.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    Ha, the schnitzel and strudel thing struck me as yo that's racist, too.
  21. iSteveFan says:

    Much of the stuff I’ve purchased for my home comes with a limited, non-transferable warranty. So long as I remain the owner, and am within the coverage period, I’m under warranty. But if I sell to a new owner, the warranty is automatically voided.

    Shouldn’t this too be the the standard for determining whom our governments help? If the Austrians were Nazis and persecuted Jews and other Europeans, then shouldn’t they be the ones to seek recompense? Their claims, however horrible, cannot be assigned to modern day muslims. Just as my water heater manufacturer has no obligation to honor the warranty when I sell my home, Austria has no obligation to shelter and compensate Syrians because of its mistreatment of other Europeans 70 years ago.

    Some immigrants are acceptable: For Mr. Strache, “the Serbian Christian Orthodox” — about 100,000 people here — “are his allies against the Turks,” Mr. Rauscher said.

    If anything the Austrians should be considered very generous given they have expressed interest in helping the Syrian Christians even though they are not obligated to do so. There are clearly more than enough Syrian Christians to fill any quota the EU has for tiny Austria. My guess is little Austria could volunteer to take in a million Christian Arabs and they would still be criticized.

    This is telling. For it shows that the people pushing these refugees upon Austria and the rest of us have ulterior motives. They are using these refugees as cultural weapons to destroy the remnants of Europe/North America. Apparently Christian Arabs are less lethal upon the new host societies. Muslims, OTH, are more like a cultural WMD. Hence, they are the ones that must be taken.

    Finally, given the history lesson these pieces always do about how bad Europeans were 70 years ago, why don’t they also inform the readers about how the muslims were always at their throats? Does the term ‘Gates of Vienna’ mean anything to the NYT?

    • Replies: @HHSIII
    I was talking to the grandmother of my daughter's classmate at a birthday party this weekend. She is from salzburg. The subject of the immigration crisis came up. She mentioned that Vienna had almost fallen to the Ottomans and I said oh yeah, twice, the Polish king helped save the day in 1680s. She said oh my god, an american who knows history.
  22. “To counter Mr. Strache, the Social Democrats compiled a “Blue Book” of his deeds and speeches. In the introduction, Mayor Häupl writes: “History books tell us enough about where things can lead if demagogues get power. We want to make sure that no new chapters have to be written. ”

    What?! He wants history to stop? That no new chapters of history shall be written? Well, inviting in to your country a largely illiterate population of people who despise your country, its culture and its history, is a good way to make that happen, I suppose.

  23. The Times is seriously becoming a parody. 1984 is here and it’s The Times.

  24. So long as I remain the owner, and am within the coverage period, I’m under warranty. But if I sell to a new owner, the warranty is automatically voided.

    Umm, that’s not true, or hasn’t been true for couple of decades. We’re a bit off topic here. Warranties are, by and large, fully transferable to a new owner. Buy a car from Carmax. The manufacturer’s warranty holds.

  25. @Neoconned
    I like the constant references to the Nazis being on the right. Hitler's political views were far closer to the average NY Times writer than the average paleo conservative.

    I like the constant references to the Nazis being on the right. Hitler’s political views were far closer to the average NY Times writer than the average paleo conservative

    Change hatred of the Jews to hatred of unenlightened whites, and you might have a point.

  26. OT: Meanwhile in Sweden:

    “In Sweden’s Ikea attack, two migrants, two slayings and rampant fear of refugees” reads one headline

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/09/29/in-swedens-ikea-attack-two-migrants-two-murders-and-rampant-fear-of-refugees/

    Another story on the same attack: “‘Mad’ stabbings turn Ikea store in Sweden into a house of horrors”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/08/11/mad-stabbings-turn-ikea-store-in-sweden-into-a-house-of-horrors/

    According to the Post:

    Immigration, in particular, has become a touchy subject in Sweden, a country that has long prided itself on its tolerance. Germany, France and Sweden have combined to accept a majority of the asylum-seekers flooding into Europe from Africa and the Middle East.

    This rise in asylum-seekers has spurred a backlash in Sweden. Last year, the far-right Sweden Democrats party became the third-largest in parliament after pushing for a crackdown on crime and immigration.

    “It’s always people from other countries that do these things,” Jorgen Grubb, Sweden Democrats chairman in Malmo, told Reuters after the recent grenade attacks. “What Malmo needs is to put up a red stop sign.”

    Statistics don’t show a significant rise in crime, however. Sweden, a country of almost 10 million, reported only 87 instances of lethal violence last year, according to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention. That number is roughly the same as over the previous decade.

    In Vasteras, police fear that Monday’s attack could unleash reprisals against immigrants.

    Revenge attacks are possible but not likely, said Magnus Ranstorp, a terrorism expert at the Swedish National Defense College.

    “There is a rising climate of intolerance and even some acts of violence against E.U. migrants. We’ve seen that,” he told The Post in a phone interview. “And yes, some right-wing forces may try to exploit [today’s attack], but I think the Swedish public is sensible enough … to understand the circumstances.”

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Another story on the same attack: “‘Mad’ stabbings turn Ikea store in Sweden into a house of horrors”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/08/11/mad-stabbings-turn-ikea-store-in-sweden-into-a-house-of-horrors/"

    Unfortunately, that swedish woman and her son were in the wrong place (Sweden) at the wrong time (anytime). It's simply unavoidable; there is nothing that can be done about knife-wielding eritrean lunatics in Sweden. It is an act of nature - like a hurricane or an icestorm. At least those people weren't murdered by a cabal of swedish neo-nazis, as in a Stieg Larsson novel.
  27. Well look, were it not for immigration you could have stopped the title of this post after Nazis. So we have that going for us.

  28. the Nazis who forced Jews to clean sidewalks with toothbrushes

    Ahh, the old chestnut. Did you know that despite being forced to work with their hands, cleaning things with toothbrushes, the Jews still weren’t allowed into the most desirable country clubs?

    As God is my witness, I shall never clean anything ever again! Not even my teeth.

  29. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Yesterday, I heard on the Euronews TV channel that, currently, something like 8 – 10 thousand ‘refugees’ are entering Germany *per day*.

    I have no idea that if this rate will be continued into the indefinite future, but the rate of immigration into Germany, due to refugees alone, is now running at something like 3 million per year, in a population of 80 million, or roughly 4% of the total population.
    Outside of the major European wars, nothing like this has ever been seen before. The financial cost alone must be formidable.

    Sorry, but I just cannot say this ending well. It’s gone on too far and too fast for a complete volte face and return to sanity.

    • Agree: Perspective
    • Replies: @AnAnon
    There are some 80,000,000 net births over deaths on planet Earth every year, 10k per day is only 1 in 20.
  30. @Neoconned
    I like the constant references to the Nazis being on the right. Hitler's political views were far closer to the average NY Times writer than the average paleo conservative.

    Stop it man. The Nazis were an extreme right wing party, as were the fascists. Stop dumbing down the discussion here.

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    Thank you. It's time to reject the false premises outright. Pull this choking weed out by the root. The Left has been slow-walking our oblivious asses into the fire for years while we whinge about who's the "real" racist/fascist/sexist/ad nauseam, and all the while these categories have grown ever more severe as sins even as they grow ever more broad as definitions. But it's enough to say they're bullshit and get in the way of the truth.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "Stop it man. The Nazis were an extreme right wing party, as were the fascists. Stop dumbing down the discussion here."

    Yes, thank you. I'm not sure who first posited the idea that the term "Socialist," as part of the NSDAP acronym, somehow denoted that party as being on the left-wing of the political spectrum, but that fellow has done more damage to rational political discourse, than anyone else not actually employed by the New York Times.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    Horse hemorrhoids. The average US Republican is comfortably to the right of any National Socialist. You won't see our right nationalizing banks, subsidizing abortions for minorities, annexing Canada, establishing eugenic courts, and the like.

    The only Republican policy Hitler and his fanboys would recognize is the Interstate Highway System.
  31. @thinkingabout it
    Stop it man. The Nazis were an extreme right wing party, as were the fascists. Stop dumbing down the discussion here.

    Thank you. It’s time to reject the false premises outright. Pull this choking weed out by the root. The Left has been slow-walking our oblivious asses into the fire for years while we whinge about who’s the “real” racist/fascist/sexist/ad nauseam, and all the while these categories have grown ever more severe as sins even as they grow ever more broad as definitions. But it’s enough to say they’re bullshit and get in the way of the truth.

    • Replies: @Cryptogenic
    I get what you and thinkingabout it mean, but the NSDAP did take the Socialist part literally and I agree with Nick Land's estimation of Nazism as basically a leftist movement, at least economically. This view has nothing to do with cucks trying to pin fascism on liberals, e.g., welfare policy is what really keeps blacks down, therefore they are real Nazis and so on.
  32. Another tack:

    “Seventy two years after Nazi Germany recruited Muslim refugees to serve as Waffen SS stormtroopers, memories still linger of the deadly combination of Teutonic fascism and military-age Muslim men.”

  33. A few thoughts from a resident of Vienna.

    1. The Freedom Party actually is the direct historical descendant of the Austrian NSDAP, hard to deny that. Most of the hard core party members are very anti-Semitic in private, and Jews distrust them with good reason. That said, they long ago dumped most of the true Nazi ideological baggage. There is not much “pan-German”sentiment, there is very little revanchism other than maybe a desire to reclaim South Tirol. If you remove the mission of putting the German people at the center of history from Nazism, then you no longer have Nazis, just provincial middle class people looking to preserve their traditional life style and keep outsiders at bay. Strache is a congenial guy and certainly no Hitler. Unfortunately, like a lot of the far right in Europe (Berlusconi, Putin, etc.) the FPÖ leadership is incredibly corrupt and seems more concerned with enriching themselves and their friends than actually preserving Austrian culture. The FPÖ ran the province of Carinthia for years and it was a fiscal disaster. Of course, the other parties are corrupt as hell as well. In Austria personal interest tends to trump ideology most of the time, it is very much like Italy in that way.

    2. For that matter, Austrians are still pretty anti-Semitic in general, especially in private. A real danger that Austria faces is that radical Islam is a fairly congenial ideology for Austrian misfits on the edge of society. ISIS has had success recruiting native Austrians, as well as Bosnian immigrants into their ranks already. And the number of Jews in Vienna is actually growing, mostly due to Jews from the former USSR.

    3. The Freedom Party’s message has not been nearly as overtly “anti-Islam” as the NYT claims. Strache is campaigning mostly against too much immigration in general, and too much welfare spending on people who don’t deserve it. Fairly standard conservative messages that the “respectable” conservatives – the ÖVP – have abandoned, to their shame. Austria is a small parochial country. Most Austrians don’t even want Orthodox Christian immigrants. Hell, a lot of native Austrians don’t even like Germans.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Well, a nasty lot those Austrians. How, did you even bear meeting so many of them in private?
  34. @BenKenobi
    "Behind the schnitzel and strudel, Mozart and the opera, lurks the legacy of the Nazis who forced Jews to clean sidewalks with toothbrushes."

    "behind the fried chicken and watermelon, Hendrix and jazz..."

    This is why doublethink is compulsory. Ingsoc is prima facie absurd.

    Ha, the schnitzel and strudel thing struck me as yo that’s racist, too.

  35. yeah, its always 1938 for the New york times and its readers. Beyond parody.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    Beyond parody?

    Aw, scheisse. I was getting ready to write some jokes for dinner tomorrow night at our favorite Austrian restaurant, where we were going to kick off Oktober by

    --having some schnitzel and strudel (pork and apples--those foods of sin!),
    --listening to Mozart (he wasn't a nazi, but he would have been, if he'd been one, damn brilliant genius white man that he was, and probably some nazi somewhere was his distant relative; also: nazi nazi nazi),
    --each of us wearing a large wooden knob painted with the logo child from the Bway production of "Les Miserables" (a Hugo boss, ahem), and
    --starting Halloween early by looking for lurking nazis.

    So what do we get if no parody, HHG?

    I mean, we're hard to impress on the topic of depravity. The second-cousin of the chiropractor of the accountant's typist's gardener of Auschwitz???

    Fneh. These days we've got entrenched civil servants in the most viking-genome part of the UK handing little English girls over to pedophilia rings by the thousands, fearful of causing their Muzzie abusers offense and thus losing their membership in the lucrative taxed-wages-funded Dolt Wrangling industry.

    Come to think of it, I don't recall Miz Smale's International Herald Tribune OR the NYT picking up on that in the course of the many years I was seeing agonized, desperate references to it in comments in mainstream and local UK media.

    I guess she was too busy looking for nazis behind the schnitzel.

    But you're right about parody. There's no possible lampoonery or caricaturing here. "Jews forced to clean sidewalks with toothbrushes" applied to strudel was not only a sonic-boom-inducing headsplodey whammo into Full Godwin...it also had something of Occam's Rubber Room to it.

    Though I do have to hand it to her for admitting that the Social Democrats are a party representing the elites, not the vox pop. Erm, that's the whole frappin' point behind the current mass anger about immigration, innit?

  36. @Peter Akuleyev
    A few thoughts from a resident of Vienna.

    1. The Freedom Party actually is the direct historical descendant of the Austrian NSDAP, hard to deny that. Most of the hard core party members are very anti-Semitic in private, and Jews distrust them with good reason. That said, they long ago dumped most of the true Nazi ideological baggage. There is not much "pan-German"sentiment, there is very little revanchism other than maybe a desire to reclaim South Tirol. If you remove the mission of putting the German people at the center of history from Nazism, then you no longer have Nazis, just provincial middle class people looking to preserve their traditional life style and keep outsiders at bay. Strache is a congenial guy and certainly no Hitler. Unfortunately, like a lot of the far right in Europe (Berlusconi, Putin, etc.) the FPÖ leadership is incredibly corrupt and seems more concerned with enriching themselves and their friends than actually preserving Austrian culture. The FPÖ ran the province of Carinthia for years and it was a fiscal disaster. Of course, the other parties are corrupt as hell as well. In Austria personal interest tends to trump ideology most of the time, it is very much like Italy in that way.

    2. For that matter, Austrians are still pretty anti-Semitic in general, especially in private. A real danger that Austria faces is that radical Islam is a fairly congenial ideology for Austrian misfits on the edge of society. ISIS has had success recruiting native Austrians, as well as Bosnian immigrants into their ranks already. And the number of Jews in Vienna is actually growing, mostly due to Jews from the former USSR.

    3. The Freedom Party's message has not been nearly as overtly "anti-Islam" as the NYT claims. Strache is campaigning mostly against too much immigration in general, and too much welfare spending on people who don't deserve it. Fairly standard conservative messages that the "respectable" conservatives - the ÖVP - have abandoned, to their shame. Austria is a small parochial country. Most Austrians don't even want Orthodox Christian immigrants. Hell, a lot of native Austrians don't even like Germans.

    Well, a nasty lot those Austrians. How, did you even bear meeting so many of them in private?

  37. Keep the political message simple Mr Strasse, forget the bit about culture, just say:

    ‘This is our home.’

  38. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3558327/Israels-anxiety-as-Jews-prefer-Germany.html

    Encouraged by generous laws encouraging them to immigrate, which have only now ended after Israeli lobbying, Jews from the former Soviet Union have flooded into Germany.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/17/world/middleeast/in-exodus-from-israel-to-berlin-young-nations-fissures-show.html?_r=0

    Berlin is a far more pleasant place to live than Syria, or Israel. Moreover, when there are anti-Semitic attacks by immigrants in Germany it will be blamed as the killing of Jews in France has been, on European anti-Semitism Antisemitism is European in origin, and alien to Islam, so Muslim immigrants have been infected by the European virus of hate, and it is still a probem that Europeans are responsible for.

    For example The WSJ The Return of Anti-Semitism says

    Anti-Semitism entered Islam from the outside, in the form of two classic … carried by the very cultures that Europe itself infected with the virus […] Anti-Semitism has existed for a very long time. One critical moment came around the end of the 1st century C.E., when the Gospel of John attributed to Jesus these words about the Jews: “You belong to your father, the Devil.” From being the children of Abraham, Jews had been transformed into the children of Satan.[…] Crusaders, on their way to “liberate” the holy city of Jerusalem, paused to massacre Jewish communities in Northern Europe, in Cologne, Worms and Mainz. Thousands died. Many Jews committed suicide rather than submit to the mob and forcible conversion to Christianity. It was a traumatizing moment for European Jewry—and the portent of worse to come. […] Despite what some intemperate voices claim, anti-Semitism has no genuine provenance within Islam. The historian Bernard Lewis drew a wry distinction: Islam has traditionally had contempt for the Jews, he said, not hate—adding, “From contempt you don’t die. From hate you do.” Anti-Semitism entered Islam from the outside, in the form of two classic myths imported from Europe. […] Tragically, Europe, having largely cured itself of anti-Semitism, now finds it returning, carried by the very cultures that Europe itself infected with the virus.

    Re. “the Serbian Christian Orthodox” — about 100,000 people here — “are his allies against the Turks”. Germany has announced Serbs ect will be immediately returned to Bosnia. Germany’s leadership wants non Europeans, Muslim if possible. the greens and the left will back keeping Serbs out so more non European Muslims can be admitted to Germany.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    In other words, the WSJ writer is saying "Europeans made Muslims anti-semetic so as punishment we are going to flood Europe with Muslims."

    Jews truly are a vengeful people.

  39. “….for putting refugees on trains that led them not west to Austria, but to a camp in Hungary. This, said Chancellor Werner Faymann, a Social Democrat, “brings up memories of our Continent’s darkest period.”

    This is the second time in recent weeks that some European politician has compared putting immigrants on trains to the historic one way ticket to the labor/death camps. Is this really an apt comparison? One group really didn’t want to be herded onto rail cars and would rather have been anywhere else, while the other is clamoring loudly for passage and eagerly looking forwards to life at the other end of the ride. Something is amiss here. This type of offhanded comparison seems to trivialize the experience of the people who died in WW2.

  40. Inner cities have higher rates of infectious disease as well as more antiquated housing than in the suburbs. Higher rates of herpes, among other infections, and higher innter-city rates of prenatal and infantile exposure to heavy metals and other toxins are lowering IQ and EQ for us in the ghetto, without even addressing the toxic culture imposed on us from LA.

  41. There is a fairly common complaint that the reason the “extreme” parties are gaining support is that the lamestream parties won’t address immigration. Those who are spouting that line need to open a dictionary and look up “tautology.” Any lamestream party or figure that actually does address immigration will be said to be extreme, far-right, Nazis.

    The only way possible for that not to be tautological is if “address immigration” in this case means the lamestream party floating enough immigration restriction rhetoric to co-opt the growth of the “extreme” party that actually wants to do immigration restriction, but do it only up to election day, then forget about it the day after.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "There is a fairly common complaint that the reason the 'extreme' parties are gaining support is that the lamestream parties won’t address immigration. Those who are spouting that line need to open a dictionary and look up 'tautology.' Any lamestream party or figure that actually does address immigration will be said to be extreme, far-right, Nazis."

    Jim Webb thought he had a way around this conundrum. In addition to having the goodwill from the mainstream media that being a Democrat affords him, whenever he's asked about immigration, he goes on for several paragraphs about how we're a nation of immigrants, etc., and then at the end, he says that its also very important for a nation to control who is able to cross its borders, and in the 21st century, that's really where our emphasis needs to be. The media does not call him a racist for saying this. The way they do respond to it, is by essentially blacking out all significant coverage of his campaign, so that virtually no one is aware he's saying these things. The Establishment's game is rigged; we can not win. Hence we need to begin playing a new kind of game.
    , @Perspective
    Canada is currently having an election, and even the Conservatives have caved in saying they will bring in more refugees. This same "Conservative" party brought in records amounts of economic immigrants and temporary foreign workers already.
  42. @Emblematic
    You don't seem to understand that Zionists are fully in favour of Muslim immigration into the West.

    This is because, with Israel completely surrounded by tens of millions of Muslims who have a passionate hatred for the Jewish state, their only viable strategy is to promote a sharp antagonistic division between the West/Israel on the one side and the Muslim world on the other. They can then use the West's military and economic strength against Israel's enemies.

    Muslim immigration into the West furthers this cause by creating hostility between the native whites and the invading Muslims.

    Zionists are perfectly happy to see the West degraded, even though this effects Jews living in the West, so long as they believe Israel's interests are advanced.

    You don’t seem to understand that Zionists are fully in favour of Muslim immigration into the West.

    This is because, with Israel completely surrounded by tens of millions of Muslims who have a passionate hatred for the Jewish state, their only viable strategy is to promote a sharp antagonistic division between the West/Israel on the one side and the Muslim world on the other

    Those crazy strategic Jews, always thinking ahead, now they’re surrounded by hostile Muslims to the north, south and east so they’ve cunningly devised a plan to ensure that there’s hostile Muslims to the west too!

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Your sarcasm is doing you no favors here.

    Jews' biggest rivals are Muslims and Westerners. So they have the Muslims swamp the West and have the West bomb the Muslims. Divide and conquer. Basic stuff.
    , @oh its just me
    many jews look at moorish spain as their 'golden age' (never mind it wasn't so golden for Christians) as spengler noted, they are psychologically more comfortable with muslims than Christians.

    Lastly, they fear homogenous europeans, - northern europeans in particular - far more than they fear muslims - and if you look at the track record of jews in say, New York City - they are far more hostile to Christianity than Islam.
  43. @Zach
    OT: Meanwhile in Sweden:

    "In Sweden’s Ikea attack, two migrants, two slayings and rampant fear of refugees" reads one headline

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/09/29/in-swedens-ikea-attack-two-migrants-two-murders-and-rampant-fear-of-refugees/

    Another story on the same attack: "‘Mad’ stabbings turn Ikea store in Sweden into a house of horrors"

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/08/11/mad-stabbings-turn-ikea-store-in-sweden-into-a-house-of-horrors/

    According to the Post:

    Immigration, in particular, has become a touchy subject in Sweden, a country that has long prided itself on its tolerance. Germany, France and Sweden have combined to accept a majority of the asylum-seekers flooding into Europe from Africa and the Middle East.

    This rise in asylum-seekers has spurred a backlash in Sweden. Last year, the far-right Sweden Democrats party became the third-largest in parliament after pushing for a crackdown on crime and immigration.

    “It’s always people from other countries that do these things,” Jorgen Grubb, Sweden Democrats chairman in Malmo, told Reuters after the recent grenade attacks. “What Malmo needs is to put up a red stop sign.”

    Statistics don’t show a significant rise in crime, however. Sweden, a country of almost 10 million, reported only 87 instances of lethal violence last year, according to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention. That number is roughly the same as over the previous decade.

    In Vasteras, police fear that Monday’s attack could unleash reprisals against immigrants.

    Revenge attacks are possible but not likely, said Magnus Ranstorp, a terrorism expert at the Swedish National Defense College.

    “There is a rising climate of intolerance and even some acts of violence against E.U. migrants. We’ve seen that,” he told The Post in a phone interview. “And yes, some right-wing forces may try to exploit [today’s attack], but I think the Swedish public is sensible enough … to understand the circumstances.”

    “Another story on the same attack: “‘Mad’ stabbings turn Ikea store in Sweden into a house of horrors”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/08/11/mad-stabbings-turn-ikea-store-in-sweden-into-a-house-of-horrors/”

    Unfortunately, that swedish woman and her son were in the wrong place (Sweden) at the wrong time (anytime). It’s simply unavoidable; there is nothing that can be done about knife-wielding eritrean lunatics in Sweden. It is an act of nature – like a hurricane or an icestorm. At least those people weren’t murdered by a cabal of swedish neo-nazis, as in a Stieg Larsson novel.

  44. Cryptogenic [AKA "Mr. Zeepie"] says:
    @Dennis Dale
    Thank you. It's time to reject the false premises outright. Pull this choking weed out by the root. The Left has been slow-walking our oblivious asses into the fire for years while we whinge about who's the "real" racist/fascist/sexist/ad nauseam, and all the while these categories have grown ever more severe as sins even as they grow ever more broad as definitions. But it's enough to say they're bullshit and get in the way of the truth.

    I get what you and thinkingabout it mean, but the NSDAP did take the Socialist part literally and I agree with Nick Land’s estimation of Nazism as basically a leftist movement, at least economically. This view has nothing to do with cucks trying to pin fascism on liberals, e.g., welfare policy is what really keeps blacks down, therefore they are real Nazis and so on.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "I get what you and thinkingabout it mean, but the NSDAP did take the Socialist part literally..."

    And that fact proves the existence of right-wing socialism, not the left-wing status of the NSDAP.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "I get what you and thinkingabout it mean, but the NSDAP did take the Socialist part literally"

    No, they didn't. Some of the early party members might have; the down-with-the-rich socialism was chucked out the window after 1934. And anyway, Otto von Bismarck took socialism seriously too. Was he also a pinko?

    ".....and I agree with Nick Land’s estimation of Nazism as basically a leftist movement, at least economically."

    No, they weren't. They were no more socialist than the US was during WWII, and for much the same reason - they were preparing for, or fighting, a war. The notion that the NSDAP was a left-wing party is nothing but ahistorical neo-con nonsense. It grew out of their desire to equate, for tactical reasons if not also aesthetic ones, everything they don't like with naziism.

  45. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    This routine of they were sinful in the past therefore they must make up for it by doing what we command has really gotten old by now. It’s just become a form of emotional blackmail that goes on forever if one allows it. The best way to deal with blackmail is just to bite the bullet and refuse to give in. Looking at what’s been happening in all areas one wonders what this is really all about. Is it the Peter Sutherland ideology that’s driving the elites and their mouthpieces?

  46. @iSteveFan
    Much of the stuff I've purchased for my home comes with a limited, non-transferable warranty. So long as I remain the owner, and am within the coverage period, I'm under warranty. But if I sell to a new owner, the warranty is automatically voided.

    Shouldn't this too be the the standard for determining whom our governments help? If the Austrians were Nazis and persecuted Jews and other Europeans, then shouldn't they be the ones to seek recompense? Their claims, however horrible, cannot be assigned to modern day muslims. Just as my water heater manufacturer has no obligation to honor the warranty when I sell my home, Austria has no obligation to shelter and compensate Syrians because of its mistreatment of other Europeans 70 years ago.


    Some immigrants are acceptable: For Mr. Strache, “the Serbian Christian Orthodox” — about 100,000 people here — “are his allies against the Turks,” Mr. Rauscher said.
     
    If anything the Austrians should be considered very generous given they have expressed interest in helping the Syrian Christians even though they are not obligated to do so. There are clearly more than enough Syrian Christians to fill any quota the EU has for tiny Austria. My guess is little Austria could volunteer to take in a million Christian Arabs and they would still be criticized.

    This is telling. For it shows that the people pushing these refugees upon Austria and the rest of us have ulterior motives. They are using these refugees as cultural weapons to destroy the remnants of Europe/North America. Apparently Christian Arabs are less lethal upon the new host societies. Muslims, OTH, are more like a cultural WMD. Hence, they are the ones that must be taken.

    Finally, given the history lesson these pieces always do about how bad Europeans were 70 years ago, why don't they also inform the readers about how the muslims were always at their throats? Does the term 'Gates of Vienna' mean anything to the NYT?

    I was talking to the grandmother of my daughter’s classmate at a birthday party this weekend. She is from salzburg. The subject of the immigration crisis came up. She mentioned that Vienna had almost fallen to the Ottomans and I said oh yeah, twice, the Polish king helped save the day in 1680s. She said oh my god, an american who knows history.

  47. This NYT article, like all politically-correct statements, makes an ad hominem argument. In this case, the author uses words to paint a picture for the reader. Understanding the issues surrounding the influx of Muslims into Europe is a simple matter: are you an accepting, kind, caring, open modern human being, or are you a Nazi skinhead protohuman monstrosity?

    Of course, this article is a proxy for arguing in favor of amnesty for illegal immigrants and open borders in the United States.

    I’ve been trying to confront the liberal people I know with this, because we won’t get anywhere until we can establish our right to have a real argument, a real debate, that uses facts rather than name-calling.

  48. For almost the last century — aside from the Nazi years, 1938-45 — the left has ruled “Red Vienna,” long prized for its pioneering public housing and welfare,

    “Aside” meaning “especially”.

    “We don’t want our Christian-Western culture to perish.”
    In Germany, such sentiments exist on the fringe of politics.

    So mainstream politicians DO want Christian-Western culture to perish.

  49. Hey! I hit “Preview Comment” and the comment gets published. – ???

  50. Hello from Vienna.
    Short summary: The article is propaganda-bullshit.
    It does not tell the truth.
    #lügenpresse

  51. It is amusing to think that the same people who caused a reaction against anything that looks like Nazism (i.e. who they were, by their actions) are now causing a reaction against anything that looks like PC. Perhaps what is needed is for Fuhrer Merkel to increasingly rail for more ME and African immigration at all costs, until civil war breaks out and all countries take up arms against Germany and her policies. And the world declares “never again”.

  52. > In Austria, which never underwent denazification programs after 1945, the Freedom Party has morphed from its roots in groups of former Nazis to a xenophobic message that it blends with concern for the little guy.

    A smear which is introduced by an outright lie. Fact-checkable by typing 11 letters in Google, “Austria den”. (It didn’t come up sooner because of my searches on dentistry.)

    Hi, NYT reporter Alison Smale. Journalism much?

    • Replies: @ic1000
    In my comment timestamped 2:43 pm GMT, I characterized Ms. Smale as "smearing" the Freedom Party. I'd change that word, given Peter Akuleyev's observation (8:13 am GMT) -- "The Freedom Party actually is the direct historical descendant of the Austrian NSDAP, hard to deny that."
    , @Bill B.
    Perhaps she explains partly the disastrous NYT coverage leading up to the Iraq war:

    "Prior, she had been the Deputy Foreign Editor at The New York Times.[4] She organized much of the paper's coverage of the Iraq war and the war in Afghanistan."

    In the 2009 (slapdash) profile below she comes across as deluded: "Her perception of journalism diverges in some aspects from continental practices. She is proud of being the head of a newspaper such as the IHT precisely because it favours the type of information which is full of common sense and pragmatism. The rest of the European press is guilty of being too one-sided."

    Notice also the obligatory complaint about her 'boring' plain vanilla upbringing in the UK compared with her vibrant present:

    http://www.cafebabel.co.uk/politics/article/alison-smale-by-learning-languages-i-could-escape-the-boring-life-i-had-been-living-as-a-child-in-england.html
  53. Hoteliers vs Nazis: Since there is no money in being a skinhead, Hoteliers are destined to win.

    German hoteliers get unexpected boost from migrant influx

    http://news.yahoo.com/german-hoteliers-unexpected-boost-migrant-influx-122233430–business.html;_ylt=AwrBTzfYlApW0dcAOjFXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyamFpdjZnBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjAwMjNfMQRzZWMDc2M-

    Owe I wish I owned a dilapidated but barely legal hotel in Germany.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    Yes, and private equity firms and banks are already heavily investing in real estate they can then rent to German municipalities at good prices on long term contracts. There is a lot of money to be made off these refugees. Yet another direct transfer of middle class taxpayer money to the 1%.
  54. One awkward fact is that the most anti-immigration parties in Europe really are the direct lineal descendants of some really nasty organizations -fascists, WW2 era collaborators, poujadists and the like. They happen to be correct on this particular issue. People are complicated.

    However, I’m fairly relaxed now about a FPO ruled Austria, to take this example, trying to turn the clock back to 1938. It shouldn’t happen for the same reason that popular support for the NSDAP in Germany collapsed in 1944-45 and there was no resistance to the occupying powers, even to the Soviet Union. The period of actual fascist regimes in power in Europe was such an obvious disaster for the countries involved that I don’t think anyone really wants to repeat it. The generation in these parties who may have actually been collaborators or children of collaborators have all died off or been pensioned off by now.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan

    One awkward fact is that the most anti-immigration parties in Europe really are the direct lineal descendants of some really nasty organizations -fascists, WW2 era collaborators, poujadists and the like.
     
    That is an awkward fact. And the so-called mainstream parties should be embarrassed.
  55. @ic1000
    > In Austria, which never underwent denazification programs after 1945, the Freedom Party has morphed from its roots in groups of former Nazis to a xenophobic message that it blends with concern for the little guy.

    A smear which is introduced by an outright lie. Fact-checkable by typing 11 letters in Google, "Austria den". (It didn't come up sooner because of my searches on dentistry.)

    Hi, NYT reporter Alison Smale. Journalism much?

    In my comment timestamped 2:43 pm GMT, I characterized Ms. Smale as “smearing” the Freedom Party. I’d change that word, given Peter Akuleyev’s observation (8:13 am GMT) — “The Freedom Party actually is the direct historical descendant of the Austrian NSDAP, hard to deny that.”

  56. Austria isn’t the only place where Nazis are plotting against the poor migrant, in America too they are hatching evil plots. No less a conservative authority than George Will has sussed it out at National Review:

    Trump, however, has made something novel discussible: He proposes turning America into a police state in order to facilitate ethnic cleansing.

    When asked whether the forced deportation of 11 million illegal immigrants — almost as many people as passed through Ellis Island in 60 years — might take five or even ten years, Trump scoffed: “Really good management” will get this done in at most two years. To meet a two-year deadline, his “management” wizardry will have to quickly produce a network of informers to assist at least 100,000 new law enforcement officers equipped with battering rams and bloodhounds.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/424541/donald-trump-campaign-collapse

    • Replies: @iSteveFan

    When asked whether the forced deportation of 11 million illegal immigrants — almost as many people as passed through Ellis Island in 60 years —
     
    At least George Will is attempting, albeit unknowingly, to put today's immigration into context. If the today's illegals alone equal 60 years of Ellis Island, what happens when you factor in the legal immigrants of today?
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Trump, however, has made something novel discussible: He proposes turning America into a police state in order to facilitate ethnic cleansing."

    That's rich or Will to write that. G.W. Bush really began turning America into a police-state in earnest. Did Will ever complain about that?

    If latino immigration is not reversed, Will will have nobody to read his insipid middle-brow columns about "James Madison's document". I guess latinos like baseball, so he has that going for him. Then again, they don't read much.

    I remember when George F. Will had something interesting to say.

    I think it was August, 1988.
  57. @Peter Meyer

    When eventually some Muslims murder some of Vienna’s few remaining Jews in an act of anti-Semitic terrorism, well, that will just elicit more articles about how it’s really the fault of Nazi-like Austrians who didn’t welcome the anti-Semitic terrorists ardently enough.
     
    I wonder also how European-Israeli relations will play into this, with public opinion on the continent continuing to turn against Israel, save (ironically enough) for some of the more mainstream right-wing parties. My guess is that it will accelerate the schism between the old-stock, Jewish/Jewish-influenced American left (broadly sympathetic to Jewish issues) and the younger, multicultural left (to first approximation anti-Semitic): the old timers become immigration skeptics, the new breed remain true believers.

    “Old-stock lefties.” Just don’t say it in Canada.

  58. Of all the rhetorical means by which the Left polices dissent (e.g., accusations of racism, sexism, homophobia, etc.), the accusation of Nazism is by far the most potent. No decent person wants to be called that, for obvious reasons.

    And yet, this sort of article makes you wonder why you should bother to dispute even that dreaded label. If it’s “Nazi” to want to preserve a country’s people and culture for future generations, then I guess most of us here are “Nazis.” If kicking out people who broke into your country is “ethnic cleansing,” then I guess we’re for “ethnic cleansing.” Fine, whatever. Guilty as charged.

    Now, I think it’s ridiculous to paint immigration restrictionism as Nazism, especially when, as Steve points out, it’s the migrants themselves who are more likely to commit violence against Jews or subscribe to an aggressive, supremacist ideology. From a historical perspective, projecting Nazism onto current affairs is about as meaningful as applying the label of “Bonapartist” or “Roundhead.” From a personal perspective, I’m afraid I wouldn’t make a very good Nazi, being only marginally whitish and liking the Jews that I know. The Party would take away my streng geheim fascist decoder ring.

    Even so, I just don’t care anymore what the Left calls us. I don’t care what -isms or -ologies the Left cares to attribute to our views. What does it say when even the worst slur in the Leftist lexicon is losing its censorious moral force for me? Moreover, I have the vague feeling that a lot of people on the Right are reaching this point, especially young people.

    I think and hope that the “cuckservative” meme portends such an impending defection of conservatives from the Cathedral. The power of the “cuckservative” put-down lies in the contempt it connotes for the acceptance of your adversary’s values system. Such acceptance, of course, presently characterizes much of the mainstream Right.

    Cultural power is a funny thing, though. It’s extremely effective at molding public opinion, until it isn’t. Someday the Left will deploy the full force of its shaming, propaganda, and bullying, and we’ll all just shrug and say, “Call us whatever you want. Go f*** yourselves.” Only when we answer to our own consciences as to what is good, true, and moral will we enjoy self-determination again.

    • Replies: @Antonymous
    "Now, I think it’s ridiculous to paint immigration restrictionism as Nazism, especially when, as Steve points out, it’s the migrants themselves who are more likely to commit violence against Jews or subscribe to an aggressive, supremacist ideology. From a historical perspective, projecting Nazism onto current affairs is about as meaningful as applying the label of “Bonapartist” or “Roundhead.” From a personal perspective, I’m afraid I wouldn’t make a very good Nazi, being only marginally whitish and liking the Jews that I know. The Party would take away my streng geheim fascist decoder ring.

    "Even so, I just don’t care anymore what the Left calls us. I don’t care what -isms or -ologies the Left cares to attribute to our views. What does it say when even the worst slur in the Leftist lexicon is losing its censorious moral force for me? Moreover, I have the vague feeling that a lot of people on the Right are reaching this point, especially young people."

    Exactly, I think of it as liberal Tourette's or the Two Degrees to Nazi game (Kevin Bacon analogue). I've tried, as a retired liberal, talking with friends about immigration issues and have been surprised at how quickly the KKK / Nazi allusions begin. For instance, a Finnish friend of mine is peeved at the US' porous border, but finds the anti-immigrant 'welcome' committees in Finland an embarrassment. I suggest the Swedish example, exponentiating crimes against women and so on, might be a deterrent and she replies how those data are invented by "far-right groups" and Brevik etc Nazi etc. It was extraordinary how quickly new ideas (even government statistics) could be dismissed, as though only "nazis" might consider them legitimate. We changed subject, this being a kid "playdate" (heh), though I know from experience how pushback can have impact. I was once that person after all, armed with my arsenal of isms and insults.

    Those who've seen the before and after snapshots, particularly of London and Paris, are far more receptive. (My friend had seen minimal impact on Finland before moving here.) And framing in terms of US cultural imperialism -- namely, why *should* Europe follow the US' example of multi-cultural (decayed) cities, why is the NYT given a platform as immigration scold, and why are EU decision-makers listening -- can rile even the most complacent. Also for the global warming crowd, wouldn't money go further and less CO2 be emitted per capita were refugees housed in Turkey or Azerbaijan or... really anywhere other than the EU?

  59. @thinkingabout it
    Stop it man. The Nazis were an extreme right wing party, as were the fascists. Stop dumbing down the discussion here.

    “Stop it man. The Nazis were an extreme right wing party, as were the fascists. Stop dumbing down the discussion here.”

    Yes, thank you. I’m not sure who first posited the idea that the term “Socialist,” as part of the NSDAP acronym, somehow denoted that party as being on the left-wing of the political spectrum, but that fellow has done more damage to rational political discourse, than anyone else not actually employed by the New York Times.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    I don't know if the idea was original to him, but Jonah Goldberg wrote a book based on the thesis and pushed the idea heavily.
  60. iSteveFan says:
    @TB2
    Austria isn't the only place where Nazis are plotting against the poor migrant, in America too they are hatching evil plots. No less a conservative authority than George Will has sussed it out at National Review:

    Trump, however, has made something novel discussible: He proposes turning America into a police state in order to facilitate ethnic cleansing.

    When asked whether the forced deportation of 11 million illegal immigrants — almost as many people as passed through Ellis Island in 60 years — might take five or even ten years, Trump scoffed: “Really good management” will get this done in at most two years. To meet a two-year deadline, his “management” wizardry will have to quickly produce a network of informers to assist at least 100,000 new law enforcement officers equipped with battering rams and bloodhounds.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/424541/donald-trump-campaign-collapse

    When asked whether the forced deportation of 11 million illegal immigrants — almost as many people as passed through Ellis Island in 60 years —

    At least George Will is attempting, albeit unknowingly, to put today’s immigration into context. If the today’s illegals alone equal 60 years of Ellis Island, what happens when you factor in the legal immigrants of today?

  61. @Ed
    One awkward fact is that the most anti-immigration parties in Europe really are the direct lineal descendants of some really nasty organizations -fascists, WW2 era collaborators, poujadists and the like. They happen to be correct on this particular issue. People are complicated.

    However, I'm fairly relaxed now about a FPO ruled Austria, to take this example, trying to turn the clock back to 1938. It shouldn't happen for the same reason that popular support for the NSDAP in Germany collapsed in 1944-45 and there was no resistance to the occupying powers, even to the Soviet Union. The period of actual fascist regimes in power in Europe was such an obvious disaster for the countries involved that I don't think anyone really wants to repeat it. The generation in these parties who may have actually been collaborators or children of collaborators have all died off or been pensioned off by now.

    One awkward fact is that the most anti-immigration parties in Europe really are the direct lineal descendants of some really nasty organizations -fascists, WW2 era collaborators, poujadists and the like.

    That is an awkward fact. And the so-called mainstream parties should be embarrassed.

  62. For some people, particularly Muslims and some on the Alt-Right, “its the JEWWWWWS stupid! What was the question again?” is the universal answer to everything. That amounts to a belief in original sin or something.

    Vienna was besieged by Muslims twice, first in 1538, and again in 1688, both times nearly conquered by the Ottomans. This is nothing new. Muslims are a huge mass of people, who can only get good stuff by conquering others, slaughtering or enslaving the men, and taking the women as sex slaves. This is the pattern of Muslim culture centered on a desert raiding culture and genetics: cousin marriage, tribal absolutism, low male trust, etc.

    Sooner or later, Europeans either wake up and assert their rights to live as they want, or be enslaved. That is their only two choices — be free or slaves. If they don’t want to be slaves, they will have to kill a LOT of Muslims wanting to come there and enslave them, and push their women aside as most European women enthusiastically desire the enslavement of their men and their own advance into the conqueror’s arms or at least washing their floors. Of course most European women get the tingles and overestimate their chances at being a Sultan’s mother, and underestimate their chances as being someone washing floors as a washerwoman, but that’s human nature.

  63. @countenance
    There is a fairly common complaint that the reason the "extreme" parties are gaining support is that the lamestream parties won't address immigration. Those who are spouting that line need to open a dictionary and look up "tautology." Any lamestream party or figure that actually does address immigration will be said to be extreme, far-right, Nazis.

    The only way possible for that not to be tautological is if "address immigration" in this case means the lamestream party floating enough immigration restriction rhetoric to co-opt the growth of the "extreme" party that actually wants to do immigration restriction, but do it only up to election day, then forget about it the day after.

    “There is a fairly common complaint that the reason the ‘extreme’ parties are gaining support is that the lamestream parties won’t address immigration. Those who are spouting that line need to open a dictionary and look up ‘tautology.’ Any lamestream party or figure that actually does address immigration will be said to be extreme, far-right, Nazis.”

    Jim Webb thought he had a way around this conundrum. In addition to having the goodwill from the mainstream media that being a Democrat affords him, whenever he’s asked about immigration, he goes on for several paragraphs about how we’re a nation of immigrants, etc., and then at the end, he says that its also very important for a nation to control who is able to cross its borders, and in the 21st century, that’s really where our emphasis needs to be. The media does not call him a racist for saying this. The way they do respond to it, is by essentially blacking out all significant coverage of his campaign, so that virtually no one is aware he’s saying these things. The Establishment’s game is rigged; we can not win. Hence we need to begin playing a new kind of game.

  64. @george
    Hoteliers vs Nazis: Since there is no money in being a skinhead, Hoteliers are destined to win.

    German hoteliers get unexpected boost from migrant influx

    http://news.yahoo.com/german-hoteliers-unexpected-boost-migrant-influx-122233430--business.html;_ylt=AwrBTzfYlApW0dcAOjFXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyamFpdjZnBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjAwMjNfMQRzZWMDc2M-

    Owe I wish I owned a dilapidated but barely legal hotel in Germany.

    Yes, and private equity firms and banks are already heavily investing in real estate they can then rent to German municipalities at good prices on long term contracts. There is a lot of money to be made off these refugees. Yet another direct transfer of middle class taxpayer money to the 1%.

  65. What about this opening:

    “Behind the schnitzel and strudel, Mozart and the opera, lurks the legacy of the Nazis who forced Jews to clean sidewalks with toothbrushes. And now millions of people who want to force Jews to clean sidewalks with toothbrushes again, if not outright kill them, are trying to move into Austria. Will the Austrian government let them?”

    There, that is better.

  66. @Deduction

    You don’t seem to understand that Zionists are fully in favour of Muslim immigration into the West.

    This is because, with Israel completely surrounded by tens of millions of Muslims who have a passionate hatred for the Jewish state, their only viable strategy is to promote a sharp antagonistic division between the West/Israel on the one side and the Muslim world on the other
     
    Those crazy strategic Jews, always thinking ahead, now they're surrounded by hostile Muslims to the north, south and east so they've cunningly devised a plan to ensure that there's hostile Muslims to the west too!

    Your sarcasm is doing you no favors here.

    Jews’ biggest rivals are Muslims and Westerners. So they have the Muslims swamp the West and have the West bomb the Muslims. Divide and conquer. Basic stuff.

  67. @Sean
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3558327/Israels-anxiety-as-Jews-prefer-Germany.html

    Encouraged by generous laws encouraging them to immigrate, which have only now ended after Israeli lobbying, Jews from the former Soviet Union have flooded into Germany.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/17/world/middleeast/in-exodus-from-israel-to-berlin-young-nations-fissures-show.html?_r=0

    Berlin is a far more pleasant place to live than Syria, or Israel. Moreover, when there are anti-Semitic attacks by immigrants in Germany it will be blamed as the killing of Jews in France has been, on European anti-Semitism Antisemitism is European in origin, and alien to Islam, so Muslim immigrants have been infected by the European virus of hate, and it is still a probem that Europeans are responsible for.

    For example The WSJ The Return of Anti-Semitism says

    Anti-Semitism entered Islam from the outside, in the form of two classic ... carried by the very cultures that Europe itself infected with the virus [...] Anti-Semitism has existed for a very long time. One critical moment came around the end of the 1st century C.E., when the Gospel of John attributed to Jesus these words about the Jews: “You belong to your father, the Devil.” From being the children of Abraham, Jews had been transformed into the children of Satan.[...] Crusaders, on their way to “liberate” the holy city of Jerusalem, paused to massacre Jewish communities in Northern Europe, in Cologne, Worms and Mainz. Thousands died. Many Jews committed suicide rather than submit to the mob and forcible conversion to Christianity. It was a traumatizing moment for European Jewry—and the portent of worse to come. [...] Despite what some intemperate voices claim, anti-Semitism has no genuine provenance within Islam. The historian Bernard Lewis drew a wry distinction: Islam has traditionally had contempt for the Jews, he said, not hate—adding, “From contempt you don’t die. From hate you do.” Anti-Semitism entered Islam from the outside, in the form of two classic myths imported from Europe. [...] Tragically, Europe, having largely cured itself of anti-Semitism, now finds it returning, carried by the very cultures that Europe itself infected with the virus.

     

    Re. “the Serbian Christian Orthodox” — about 100,000 people here — “are his allies against the Turks”. Germany has announced Serbs ect will be immediately returned to Bosnia. Germany's leadership wants non Europeans, Muslim if possible. the greens and the left will back keeping Serbs out so more non European Muslims can be admitted to Germany.

    In other words, the WSJ writer is saying “Europeans made Muslims anti-semetic so as punishment we are going to flood Europe with Muslims.”

    Jews truly are a vengeful people.

  68. @Cryptogenic
    I get what you and thinkingabout it mean, but the NSDAP did take the Socialist part literally and I agree with Nick Land's estimation of Nazism as basically a leftist movement, at least economically. This view has nothing to do with cucks trying to pin fascism on liberals, e.g., welfare policy is what really keeps blacks down, therefore they are real Nazis and so on.

    “I get what you and thinkingabout it mean, but the NSDAP did take the Socialist part literally…”

    And that fact proves the existence of right-wing socialism, not the left-wing status of the NSDAP.

  69. Funny how the geographic juju in Africa can be either 1st world prosperity and overflowing abundance or … mass starvation, rolling blackouts, ebola and death.

    In almost identical fashion, Detroit can be Detroit or Detroit.

  70. @thinkingabout it
    Stop it man. The Nazis were an extreme right wing party, as were the fascists. Stop dumbing down the discussion here.

    Horse hemorrhoids. The average US Republican is comfortably to the right of any National Socialist. You won’t see our right nationalizing banks, subsidizing abortions for minorities, annexing Canada, establishing eugenic courts, and the like.

    The only Republican policy Hitler and his fanboys would recognize is the Interstate Highway System.

    • Replies: @cwhatfuture
    I might add price controls, mandatory national service, a "four year plan" for economics, subsidizing inefficient alternative energy sources, a fixation with the government controlling the personal health of the citizens, government controlled education, government controlled press, government controlled media - all putting the "socialist" into National Socialist. Hitler worshippers forget exactly how incredibly inefficient his state was, seeing only the efficiency of the German soldier.
  71. @Reg Cæsar
    Horse hemorrhoids. The average US Republican is comfortably to the right of any National Socialist. You won't see our right nationalizing banks, subsidizing abortions for minorities, annexing Canada, establishing eugenic courts, and the like.

    The only Republican policy Hitler and his fanboys would recognize is the Interstate Highway System.

    I might add price controls, mandatory national service, a “four year plan” for economics, subsidizing inefficient alternative energy sources, a fixation with the government controlling the personal health of the citizens, government controlled education, government controlled press, government controlled media – all putting the “socialist” into National Socialist. Hitler worshippers forget exactly how incredibly inefficient his state was, seeing only the efficiency of the German soldier.

  72. Until you are able to at least contemplate the possibility — in my view the evident reality — that the U.S. fought on the wrong side of WWII, you are just going to keep spinning your wheels in the mud. The slave’s pleas for better treatment by his master — which much of the discourse here amounts to — must eventually bore even the slave. Or so one would think. Maybe you’ll just chatter on as such to the grave. I’m writing this from the Churchill Bar at the Royal Air Force Club in London. The progress of that depraved man’s career — from his accurate early representation of Judeo-Bolshevism to his mass murder in alliance with and at the behest of the same — might stand as a lesson to us all.

  73. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I like your last paragraph: the “Indian burial ground” school of progressive blame redistribution. This system operates on a sub-ideological level which is why it’s always faintly funny to read it in the form of sweet-reason lectures directed at the brutes (but covertly intended for the bien pensants). Which side here is employing rational tools and which is really being atavistic?

    Another problem for the Pet Sematary SJWs (and we saw how that worked out) is that the historical record, like geography but unlike population, is a fairly fixed thing, despite valiant efforts to make it as plastic as the Time Machine Ride for whoever’s the hero or villain this week. Fact-testing the more brazen propaganda around is easier than ever before. So the only way to bully enough political participants into equating specific anti-Muslim opinions in the year 2015 with “Nazism” is by sustained ignorance carpetbombing.

  74. @Deduction

    You don’t seem to understand that Zionists are fully in favour of Muslim immigration into the West.

    This is because, with Israel completely surrounded by tens of millions of Muslims who have a passionate hatred for the Jewish state, their only viable strategy is to promote a sharp antagonistic division between the West/Israel on the one side and the Muslim world on the other
     
    Those crazy strategic Jews, always thinking ahead, now they're surrounded by hostile Muslims to the north, south and east so they've cunningly devised a plan to ensure that there's hostile Muslims to the west too!

    many jews look at moorish spain as their ‘golden age’ (never mind it wasn’t so golden for Christians) as spengler noted, they are psychologically more comfortable with muslims than Christians.

    Lastly, they fear homogenous europeans, – northern europeans in particular – far more than they fear muslims – and if you look at the track record of jews in say, New York City – they are far more hostile to Christianity than Islam.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Observant (Orthodox or ultra-Orthodox) Jews are more comfortable with Islam than Christianity in theory, but I don't know any ordinary American Ashkenazi Jews who feel more comfortable among Muslims than among Christians in real life.
  75. @countenance
    There is a fairly common complaint that the reason the "extreme" parties are gaining support is that the lamestream parties won't address immigration. Those who are spouting that line need to open a dictionary and look up "tautology." Any lamestream party or figure that actually does address immigration will be said to be extreme, far-right, Nazis.

    The only way possible for that not to be tautological is if "address immigration" in this case means the lamestream party floating enough immigration restriction rhetoric to co-opt the growth of the "extreme" party that actually wants to do immigration restriction, but do it only up to election day, then forget about it the day after.

    Canada is currently having an election, and even the Conservatives have caved in saying they will bring in more refugees. This same “Conservative” party brought in records amounts of economic immigrants and temporary foreign workers already.

  76. Oh, its not all bad. These vibrant new arrivals are doing the jobs Europeans don’t want to do – electing Hitler. Those commies are just too old to do the street riots and disorder that Hitler and the NSDAP needed to get into power. Fortunately millions of illiterate itinerant Muslims will do it for them. If Marine Le Pen and the current nationalists don’t go far enough, then I’m sure more manly men will put on their Brown Shirts to save their Fatherland.

  77. @SF
    Smale doesn't seem to be Jewish. I Wonder whether there is a poll of the Jewish population in Austria.

    Smale doesn’t seem to be Jewish.

    No, but this guy, her live-in piano player boyfriend, might be.

    In the old days, women often married to climb the social ladder, and I don’t think that’s a female impulse that even modern liberalism can extinguish. What better way to ingratiate yourself to your high brow significant other than to take up the “cause” of his ethnicity?

    CAVEAT: I said he “might” be Jewish. I don’t know that he is, but he looks as if he could be. And since speculating isn’t against the law…yet….

  78. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    http://ajw.asahi.com/article/behind_news/politics/AJ201510010018

    Japan told to take ‘Syrians’ but no such pressure on Israel and Golan.

  79. Modern progressives increasingly believe that geographic locations emit powerful magic emanations . . .

    “The puritan hated bear baiting, not because it gave pain to the bear, but because it gave pleasure to the spectators.”

    Modern progressives believe no such thing. They just hate white people and want to see them, their nations, and their cultures eliminated. They literally don’t care what comes after, they don’t care if they impoverish the nation, or that mass immigration hurts the poor, or the environment, or if large parts of the West come under sharia law. They ship blacks to suburbs because they can’t stand the idea that any whites might escape.

  80. @Anonymous
    Yesterday, I heard on the Euronews TV channel that, currently, something like 8 - 10 thousand 'refugees' are entering Germany *per day*.

    I have no idea that if this rate will be continued into the indefinite future, but the rate of immigration into Germany, due to refugees alone, is now running at something like 3 million per year, in a population of 80 million, or roughly 4% of the total population.
    Outside of the major European wars, nothing like this has ever been seen before. The financial cost alone must be formidable.

    Sorry, but I just cannot say this ending well. It's gone on too far and too fast for a complete volte face and return to sanity.

    There are some 80,000,000 net births over deaths on planet Earth every year, 10k per day is only 1 in 20.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Germany comprises significantly less than 1 in 20 of the world's population.

    That is assuming that your 'argument' actually means anything significant. It doesn't.
  81. @TB2
    Austria isn't the only place where Nazis are plotting against the poor migrant, in America too they are hatching evil plots. No less a conservative authority than George Will has sussed it out at National Review:

    Trump, however, has made something novel discussible: He proposes turning America into a police state in order to facilitate ethnic cleansing.

    When asked whether the forced deportation of 11 million illegal immigrants — almost as many people as passed through Ellis Island in 60 years — might take five or even ten years, Trump scoffed: “Really good management” will get this done in at most two years. To meet a two-year deadline, his “management” wizardry will have to quickly produce a network of informers to assist at least 100,000 new law enforcement officers equipped with battering rams and bloodhounds.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/424541/donald-trump-campaign-collapse

    “Trump, however, has made something novel discussible: He proposes turning America into a police state in order to facilitate ethnic cleansing.”

    That’s rich or Will to write that. G.W. Bush really began turning America into a police-state in earnest. Did Will ever complain about that?

    If latino immigration is not reversed, Will will have nobody to read his insipid middle-brow columns about “James Madison’s document”. I guess latinos like baseball, so he has that going for him. Then again, they don’t read much.

    I remember when George F. Will had something interesting to say.

    I think it was August, 1988.

  82. @Cryptogenic
    I get what you and thinkingabout it mean, but the NSDAP did take the Socialist part literally and I agree with Nick Land's estimation of Nazism as basically a leftist movement, at least economically. This view has nothing to do with cucks trying to pin fascism on liberals, e.g., welfare policy is what really keeps blacks down, therefore they are real Nazis and so on.

    “I get what you and thinkingabout it mean, but the NSDAP did take the Socialist part literally”

    No, they didn’t. Some of the early party members might have; the down-with-the-rich socialism was chucked out the window after 1934. And anyway, Otto von Bismarck took socialism seriously too. Was he also a pinko?

    “…..and I agree with Nick Land’s estimation of Nazism as basically a leftist movement, at least economically.”

    No, they weren’t. They were no more socialist than the US was during WWII, and for much the same reason – they were preparing for, or fighting, a war. The notion that the NSDAP was a left-wing party is nothing but ahistorical neo-con nonsense. It grew out of their desire to equate, for tactical reasons if not also aesthetic ones, everything they don’t like with naziism.

    • Replies: @Cryptogenic
    Impasse reached because we have different understandings/interpretations of the fundamentals of fascism/NSDAP. For what it's worth I first gleaned the literal socialist aspect via David Irving's wonderful Goebbels bio. It was Goebbels who was most keen on socialism and the most disappointed to see it go -- but again, I don't think it ever went.

    Agree with you on particulars, not essence.
    , @The most deplorable one
    Tell me that you've looked at their platform and you're not just talking out of your ass.
  83. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "Stop it man. The Nazis were an extreme right wing party, as were the fascists. Stop dumbing down the discussion here."

    Yes, thank you. I'm not sure who first posited the idea that the term "Socialist," as part of the NSDAP acronym, somehow denoted that party as being on the left-wing of the political spectrum, but that fellow has done more damage to rational political discourse, than anyone else not actually employed by the New York Times.

    I don’t know if the idea was original to him, but Jonah Goldberg wrote a book based on the thesis and pushed the idea heavily.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    I bought that Goldberg book - with the Hitler smiley on the cover - expecting a provocative but at least stimulating polemic.

    I quickly gave up. It was just too silly. No feeling for context or even common sense, let alone any display of genuine erudition.

    Basically everything progressive he doesn't like he calls Fascist.
  84. @Honesthughgrant
    yeah, its always 1938 for the New york times and its readers. Beyond parody.

    Beyond parody?

    Aw, scheisse. I was getting ready to write some jokes for dinner tomorrow night at our favorite Austrian restaurant, where we were going to kick off Oktober by

    –having some schnitzel and strudel (pork and apples–those foods of sin!),
    –listening to Mozart (he wasn’t a nazi, but he would have been, if he’d been one, damn brilliant genius white man that he was, and probably some nazi somewhere was his distant relative; also: nazi nazi nazi),
    –each of us wearing a large wooden knob painted with the logo child from the Bway production of “Les Miserables” (a Hugo boss, ahem), and
    –starting Halloween early by looking for lurking nazis.

    So what do we get if no parody, HHG?

    I mean, we’re hard to impress on the topic of depravity. The second-cousin of the chiropractor of the accountant’s typist’s gardener of Auschwitz???

    Fneh. These days we’ve got entrenched civil servants in the most viking-genome part of the UK handing little English girls over to pedophilia rings by the thousands, fearful of causing their Muzzie abusers offense and thus losing their membership in the lucrative taxed-wages-funded Dolt Wrangling industry.

    Come to think of it, I don’t recall Miz Smale’s International Herald Tribune OR the NYT picking up on that in the course of the many years I was seeing agonized, desperate references to it in comments in mainstream and local UK media.

    I guess she was too busy looking for nazis behind the schnitzel.

    But you’re right about parody. There’s no possible lampoonery or caricaturing here. “Jews forced to clean sidewalks with toothbrushes” applied to strudel was not only a sonic-boom-inducing headsplodey whammo into Full Godwin…it also had something of Occam’s Rubber Room to it.

    Though I do have to hand it to her for admitting that the Social Democrats are a party representing the elites, not the vox pop. Erm, that’s the whole frappin’ point behind the current mass anger about immigration, innit?

  85. In general. Jews greatly prefer that diversity (victim cult) people such as Muslims displace Nazi-white supremacist in their neighborhoods and country.

    They’ve solidly established their anti-Nazi ideology as gold in the US and Israel.

    There is less than 7% of the citizens in the US that conform to the Jewish concocted profile of a Nazi, and in Israel there is zero percent of citizens conforming to the Nazi profile. Israel does have many Muslims as citizens, over 10% of the populace.

    It should not be surprising to anyone who is sentient that Jews very much prefer Muslims over Nazi-white supremacist.

  86. @AnAnon
    There are some 80,000,000 net births over deaths on planet Earth every year, 10k per day is only 1 in 20.

    Germany comprises significantly less than 1 in 20 of the world’s population.

    That is assuming that your ‘argument’ actually means anything significant. It doesn’t.

  87. @ic1000
    > In Austria, which never underwent denazification programs after 1945, the Freedom Party has morphed from its roots in groups of former Nazis to a xenophobic message that it blends with concern for the little guy.

    A smear which is introduced by an outright lie. Fact-checkable by typing 11 letters in Google, "Austria den". (It didn't come up sooner because of my searches on dentistry.)

    Hi, NYT reporter Alison Smale. Journalism much?

    Perhaps she explains partly the disastrous NYT coverage leading up to the Iraq war:

    “Prior, she had been the Deputy Foreign Editor at The New York Times.[4] She organized much of the paper’s coverage of the Iraq war and the war in Afghanistan.”

    In the 2009 (slapdash) profile below she comes across as deluded: “Her perception of journalism diverges in some aspects from continental practices. She is proud of being the head of a newspaper such as the IHT precisely because it favours the type of information which is full of common sense and pragmatism. The rest of the European press is guilty of being too one-sided.”

    Notice also the obligatory complaint about her ‘boring’ plain vanilla upbringing in the UK compared with her vibrant present:

    http://www.cafebabel.co.uk/politics/article/alison-smale-by-learning-languages-i-could-escape-the-boring-life-i-had-been-living-as-a-child-in-england.html

  88. @Mr. Anon
    I don't know if the idea was original to him, but Jonah Goldberg wrote a book based on the thesis and pushed the idea heavily.

    I bought that Goldberg book – with the Hitler smiley on the cover – expecting a provocative but at least stimulating polemic.

    I quickly gave up. It was just too silly. No feeling for context or even common sense, let alone any display of genuine erudition.

    Basically everything progressive he doesn’t like he calls Fascist.

  89. Cryptogenic [AKA "Mr. Zeepie"] says:
    @Mr. Anon
    "I get what you and thinkingabout it mean, but the NSDAP did take the Socialist part literally"

    No, they didn't. Some of the early party members might have; the down-with-the-rich socialism was chucked out the window after 1934. And anyway, Otto von Bismarck took socialism seriously too. Was he also a pinko?

    ".....and I agree with Nick Land’s estimation of Nazism as basically a leftist movement, at least economically."

    No, they weren't. They were no more socialist than the US was during WWII, and for much the same reason - they were preparing for, or fighting, a war. The notion that the NSDAP was a left-wing party is nothing but ahistorical neo-con nonsense. It grew out of their desire to equate, for tactical reasons if not also aesthetic ones, everything they don't like with naziism.

    Impasse reached because we have different understandings/interpretations of the fundamentals of fascism/NSDAP. For what it’s worth I first gleaned the literal socialist aspect via David Irving’s wonderful Goebbels bio. It was Goebbels who was most keen on socialism and the most disappointed to see it go — but again, I don’t think it ever went.

    Agree with you on particulars, not essence.

  90. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Mr. Anon
    "I get what you and thinkingabout it mean, but the NSDAP did take the Socialist part literally"

    No, they didn't. Some of the early party members might have; the down-with-the-rich socialism was chucked out the window after 1934. And anyway, Otto von Bismarck took socialism seriously too. Was he also a pinko?

    ".....and I agree with Nick Land’s estimation of Nazism as basically a leftist movement, at least economically."

    No, they weren't. They were no more socialist than the US was during WWII, and for much the same reason - they were preparing for, or fighting, a war. The notion that the NSDAP was a left-wing party is nothing but ahistorical neo-con nonsense. It grew out of their desire to equate, for tactical reasons if not also aesthetic ones, everything they don't like with naziism.

    Tell me that you’ve looked at their platform and you’re not just talking out of your ass.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    I looked at thier actions. They left the military, the aristocracy, the plutocrats, and the bourgeoisie all in their respective places. Some of thier policies might not have differed much from that of social democrats in some respects. But then neither did some policies implemented by Bismarck and Kaiser Wilhelm II. Were The Iron Chancellor and Kaiser Bill a couple of lefties?
  91. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “When eventually some Muslims murder some of Vienna’s few remaining Jews in an act of anti-Semitic terrorism, well, that will just elicit more articles about how it’s really the fault of Nazi-like Austrians who didn’t welcome the anti-Semitic terrorists ardently enough. Or something.”

    Yes! Remember Frank Rich’s brilliantly ahistorical piece in New York Magazine, titled “What Killed JFK,” in which he explains that it was the “right wing climate of hate” in Dallas that was responsible for JFK’s assassination?

    He somehow forgets to even mention that Oswald was a committed communist who had defected to the Soviet Union! Perfectly sums up your line about the progressive belief that “geographic locations emit powerful magic emanations that control the behavior of people.”

  92. @ABN
    Of all the rhetorical means by which the Left polices dissent (e.g., accusations of racism, sexism, homophobia, etc.), the accusation of Nazism is by far the most potent. No decent person wants to be called that, for obvious reasons.

    And yet, this sort of article makes you wonder why you should bother to dispute even that dreaded label. If it's "Nazi" to want to preserve a country's people and culture for future generations, then I guess most of us here are "Nazis." If kicking out people who broke into your country is "ethnic cleansing," then I guess we're for "ethnic cleansing." Fine, whatever. Guilty as charged.

    Now, I think it's ridiculous to paint immigration restrictionism as Nazism, especially when, as Steve points out, it's the migrants themselves who are more likely to commit violence against Jews or subscribe to an aggressive, supremacist ideology. From a historical perspective, projecting Nazism onto current affairs is about as meaningful as applying the label of "Bonapartist" or "Roundhead." From a personal perspective, I'm afraid I wouldn't make a very good Nazi, being only marginally whitish and liking the Jews that I know. The Party would take away my streng geheim fascist decoder ring.

    Even so, I just don't care anymore what the Left calls us. I don't care what -isms or -ologies the Left cares to attribute to our views. What does it say when even the worst slur in the Leftist lexicon is losing its censorious moral force for me? Moreover, I have the vague feeling that a lot of people on the Right are reaching this point, especially young people.

    I think and hope that the "cuckservative" meme portends such an impending defection of conservatives from the Cathedral. The power of the "cuckservative" put-down lies in the contempt it connotes for the acceptance of your adversary's values system. Such acceptance, of course, presently characterizes much of the mainstream Right.

    Cultural power is a funny thing, though. It's extremely effective at molding public opinion, until it isn't. Someday the Left will deploy the full force of its shaming, propaganda, and bullying, and we'll all just shrug and say, "Call us whatever you want. Go f*** yourselves." Only when we answer to our own consciences as to what is good, true, and moral will we enjoy self-determination again.

    “Now, I think it’s ridiculous to paint immigration restrictionism as Nazism, especially when, as Steve points out, it’s the migrants themselves who are more likely to commit violence against Jews or subscribe to an aggressive, supremacist ideology. From a historical perspective, projecting Nazism onto current affairs is about as meaningful as applying the label of “Bonapartist” or “Roundhead.” From a personal perspective, I’m afraid I wouldn’t make a very good Nazi, being only marginally whitish and liking the Jews that I know. The Party would take away my streng geheim fascist decoder ring.

    “Even so, I just don’t care anymore what the Left calls us. I don’t care what -isms or -ologies the Left cares to attribute to our views. What does it say when even the worst slur in the Leftist lexicon is losing its censorious moral force for me? Moreover, I have the vague feeling that a lot of people on the Right are reaching this point, especially young people.”

    Exactly, I think of it as liberal Tourette’s or the Two Degrees to Nazi game (Kevin Bacon analogue). I’ve tried, as a retired liberal, talking with friends about immigration issues and have been surprised at how quickly the KKK / Nazi allusions begin. For instance, a Finnish friend of mine is peeved at the US’ porous border, but finds the anti-immigrant ‘welcome’ committees in Finland an embarrassment. I suggest the Swedish example, exponentiating crimes against women and so on, might be a deterrent and she replies how those data are invented by “far-right groups” and Brevik etc Nazi etc. It was extraordinary how quickly new ideas (even government statistics) could be dismissed, as though only “nazis” might consider them legitimate. We changed subject, this being a kid “playdate” (heh), though I know from experience how pushback can have impact. I was once that person after all, armed with my arsenal of isms and insults.

    Those who’ve seen the before and after snapshots, particularly of London and Paris, are far more receptive. (My friend had seen minimal impact on Finland before moving here.) And framing in terms of US cultural imperialism — namely, why *should* Europe follow the US’ example of multi-cultural (decayed) cities, why is the NYT given a platform as immigration scold, and why are EU decision-makers listening — can rile even the most complacent. Also for the global warming crowd, wouldn’t money go further and less CO2 be emitted per capita were refugees housed in Turkey or Azerbaijan or… really anywhere other than the EU?

  93. @oh its just me
    many jews look at moorish spain as their 'golden age' (never mind it wasn't so golden for Christians) as spengler noted, they are psychologically more comfortable with muslims than Christians.

    Lastly, they fear homogenous europeans, - northern europeans in particular - far more than they fear muslims - and if you look at the track record of jews in say, New York City - they are far more hostile to Christianity than Islam.

    Observant (Orthodox or ultra-Orthodox) Jews are more comfortable with Islam than Christianity in theory, but I don’t know any ordinary American Ashkenazi Jews who feel more comfortable among Muslims than among Christians in real life.

  94. @The most deplorable one
    Tell me that you've looked at their platform and you're not just talking out of your ass.

    I looked at thier actions. They left the military, the aristocracy, the plutocrats, and the bourgeoisie all in their respective places. Some of thier policies might not have differed much from that of social democrats in some respects. But then neither did some policies implemented by Bismarck and Kaiser Wilhelm II. Were The Iron Chancellor and Kaiser Bill a couple of lefties?

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