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From the NYT a couple of weeks ago:

Hungary’s Migrant Stance, Once Denounced, Gains Some Acceptance
By ANDREW HIGGINS DEC. 20, 2015

BUDAPEST — Like most members of Hungary’s liberal intellectual elite, George Konrad, a distinguished novelist, loathes his country’s stridently illiberal prime minister, Viktor Orban.

“He is not a good democrat and I don’t believe he is a good person,” said Mr. Konrad, a veteran of communist-era struggles against dictatorship.

All the same, he thinks Mr. Orban, the self-declared scourge of mainstream elites across Europe, was right and Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany was wrong about how to respond to the chaotic flood of migrants seeking refuge from war and poverty — perhaps Europe’s most serious crisis since World War II.

“It hurts to admit it, but on this point Orban was right,” Mr. Konrad, 82, said, lamenting that in the absence of a joint European effort to control the flow, Hungary was wise to seal its borders and sound the alarm over the perils of allowing hundreds of thousands of migrants, mostly Muslims, to enter Europe willy-nilly.

Quietly, and often with similar misgivings, a growing number of people in Hungary and beyond are wondering whether, despite his shrill and often bigoted message, Mr. Orban had a clearer view of the scale of the migration crisis and its potential hazards than technocrats in Brussels and leaders in Berlin and other European capitals.

In fact, Mr. Orban’s prescriptions — notably the need to secure Greece’s porous coastline and seal Europe’s outer borders — have slowly been embraced by other European Union leaders, who vowed on Thursday, at their final summit meeting of 2015, to “regain control” of the Continent’s frontiers.

Speaking in Brussels at the end of the summit meeting on Friday, Mr. Orban said that “it has taken us a long time” but that there was now “an absolute consensus among the prime ministers on the issue of protection and control of the external borders.” With a big grin, he added, “Actually it was Hungary’s point of view since the beginning that we should start here.”

While repelled by much of the hate-mongering that has accompanied Mr. Orban’s positions, European leaders have nonetheless begun to echo him on many points, albeit without his nasty snarls. …

Peter Szijjarto, Hungary’s foreign minister, said that in his meetings with fellow European ministers the tone had changed drastically since the summer, when Hungary was repeatedly denounced for building a fence to seal off its southern border to migrants hoping to get to Germany.

Fences and other obstacles have since become the norm across much of Europe, with even Sweden, traditionally Europe’s most welcoming country for refugees, announcing tough border controls.

“It is more and more obvious that what we kept on saying for the last six months turned out to be right,” Mr. Szijjarto said in an interview. “This is acknowledged more and more: Some say it openly, some say it behind closed doors and some don’t say it but act accordingly.”

Open support for Mr. Orban and his approach, which has mixed effective practical measures to slow the flow of migrants with bizarre conspiracy theories tinged with racism and anti-Semitism, remains mostly limited to Europe’s political fringe.

On a visit this month to Estonia, for example, Mr. Szijjarto heard lavish praise for his boss, Mr. Orban, from the Conservative People’s Party, a nationalist opposition outfit with a simple message for nonwhite migrants: “If you are black, go back.”

The most that mainstream politicians will say is that “Orban wasn’t completely wrong,” as Reinhold Mitterlehner, Austria’s Conservative vice chancellor, remarked recently.

Officials in Brussels, the headquarters of the European Union, acknowledge in private that Mr. Orban got many things right, but they say that he and his supporters undermined their case with belligerent tirades that variously cast the influx of asylum seekers as a Muslim invasion, a conspiracy by European socialists to import future left-leaning voters and a plot by the Hungarian-born Jewish philanthropist George Soros to undermine European nation states.

Not that Muslims, leftists, and Soros haven’t bragged that that’s indeed what they are, respectively, doing, but it’s considered in bad taste to mention it.

The centerpiece of Europe’s common response to the migrant crisis has been a well-intentioned but so far utterly unworkable plan to spread 160,000 migrants who land in front-line states like Greece around the Continent under a quota system.

Introduced seven months ago with strong backing from Berlin by the European Commission, the union’s executive arm in Brussels, the plan has relocated only 208 people, stirred months of divisive recrimination and left the 28-nation union in disarray. …

208 …

The recent disclosure by the Belgian authorities that Salah Abdeslam, a suspected participant in the Nov. 13 Paris attacks, traveled to Hungary to collect two accomplices who entered Europe on the migrant trail has unleashed another burst of “told-you-so” comments in Budapest.

The Hungarian government distorted what happened, claiming against all evidence that the accomplices picked up by Mr. Abdeslam were themselves refugees. But the fact that terrorists appear to have entered Europe concealed among asylum seekers still vindicated repeated warnings by Mr. Orban that the uncontrolled flow of so many people posed serious security risks.

“Whenever Hungary made an argument the response was always: ‘They are stupid Hungarians. They are xenophobes and Nazis,’ ” Zoltan Kovacs, a government spokesman, said. “Suddenly, it turns out that what we said was true. The naïveté of Europe is really quite stunning.”

 
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  1. “Stridently illiberal,” “[not] a good person,” “shrill and often bigoted,” “hate-mongering,” “nasty snarls,” “racism,” “anti-semitism,” “bizarre conspiracy theories,” “belligerent tirades,” “political fringe.”

    The author uses all of these phrases against Orban in one single article. This is little better than Matt taibbi’s histrionic editorializing. Thank you, Steve, for reading the NYT so that we don’t have to.

    • Replies: @berserker
    @DPG

    - An interview with Orban: https://tinyurl.com/pxoaz3l
    - Anyone who is against the open borders with a welfare state project should expect to be vilified by that creature called as the "liberal intellectual elite".

    , @Hepp
    @DPG

    Not only that, it's not even in the context of "what some people call racist and shrill" language. These words are just used as adjectives the way you would say "the blue sky."

    , @Bill
    @DPG

    Orban's Fidesz isn't even the right wing party in Hungary. Orban himself is a moderate, like Merkel. He's just not insane like Merkel.

    Bizarro world.

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe

  2. @DPG
    "Stridently illiberal," "[not] a good person," "shrill and often bigoted," "hate-mongering," "nasty snarls," "racism," "anti-semitism," "bizarre conspiracy theories," "belligerent tirades," "political fringe."

    The author uses all of these phrases against Orban in one single article. This is little better than Matt taibbi's histrionic editorializing. Thank you, Steve, for reading the NYT so that we don't have to.

    Replies: @berserker, @Hepp, @Bill

    – An interview with Orban: https://tinyurl.com/pxoaz3l
    – Anyone who is against the open borders with a welfare state project should expect to be vilified by that creature called as the “liberal intellectual elite”.

  3. Migrant Who Walked Channel Tunnel Is Granted Asylum in Britain JAN. 4, 2016 – New York Times http://goo.gl/RtJoAE

    LONDON — The Sudanese man who walked the 31 miles through the Channel Tunnel in August only to be arrested in Britain has been granted asylum and can stay in the country, his lawyers said on Monday.

    The man, Abdul Rahman Haroun, had been one of the thousands of migrants and asylum seekers living in camps in Calais, France, seeking to get themselves into Britain, where they believe life will be better for them than at home or elsewhere in Europe.

    Mr. Haroun, 40 at the time, is believed to be the first person to make it through the tunnel on foot, although he was arrested by the British on Aug. 4, before emerging into the open air after a walk of some 11 hours.

    His extraordinary effort won him considerable publicity, and various nongovernmental groups campaigned to let him stay in Britain

    According to the prosecutor in the case and Mr. Haroun’s lawyer, Sadie Castle of the firm Kent Defense, Mr. Haroun was granted refugee status by the British Home Office on Dec. 24.
    Little is known about him, but the court heard at an earlier hearing that his native language is Zaghawa, suggesting that he may be from Darfur, a region of Sudan ravaged by more than a decade of conflict.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Clyde

    Well, I suppose that is an ersatz citizenship test, but those are hardly the skills Britain needs in today's world.

    If his family and descendants end up being less than expected, there is no recourse to this decision.

    Replies: @Jimmy Docherty

  4. I counted 4 full professors at reputable universities in the first 100 names. scanning down to the middle of the list, there are all sorts of people who do not seem to have any connection to physics, like nurses.

    This type of BS is counterproductive for their cause, as the issue will be decided by Kennedy, who generally has voted against anti white discrimination, and even more so would be offended by the nasty “white people all suck and all of America is racist” tone. I am not sure if they are just stupid or being willfully dishonest in their response to Justice Roberts’s question, either way, that is not how you address a Justice of the United States.

    Between the nationwide campaign against the police on behalf of black criminals to the tone deaf radicalism of the academic left, the GOP’s task of getting an extra three percent of the white vote looks easier and easier.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Lot

    "Between the nationwide campaign against the police on behalf of black criminals to the tone deaf radicalism of the academic left, the GOP’s task of getting an extra three percent of the white vote looks easier and easier."

    One of the few issues that unites both The Far Right Wing and the GOP Establishment is the second amendment. Even an invite the world open borders shill like Jeb Bush agrees that gun rights should be protected and has criticized Hussein Obama for taking executive action against the right to bear arms.

    Most Conservatives would never vote for a pro-gun control Republican, just like most Liberals would never vote for a pro-life/anti-abortion Democrat.

    To many Conservatives gun rights trump even the immigration issue. But what they don't know is that you can say goodbye to the second amendment in a majority Nonwhite and Democrat voting America. The second amendment only continues to exist as long as there is a majority White population.

    Replies: @Thea, @Desiderius, @AndrewR

  5. @Lot
    I counted 4 full professors at reputable universities in the first 100 names. scanning down to the middle of the list, there are all sorts of people who do not seem to have any connection to physics, like nurses.

    This type of BS is counterproductive for their cause, as the issue will be decided by Kennedy, who generally has voted against anti white discrimination, and even more so would be offended by the nasty "white people all suck and all of America is racist" tone. I am not sure if they are just stupid or being willfully dishonest in their response to Justice Roberts's question, either way, that is not how you address a Justice of the United States.

    Between the nationwide campaign against the police on behalf of black criminals to the tone deaf radicalism of the academic left, the GOP's task of getting an extra three percent of the white vote looks easier and easier.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Between the nationwide campaign against the police on behalf of black criminals to the tone deaf radicalism of the academic left, the GOP’s task of getting an extra three percent of the white vote looks easier and easier.”

    One of the few issues that unites both The Far Right Wing and the GOP Establishment is the second amendment. Even an invite the world open borders shill like Jeb Bush agrees that gun rights should be protected and has criticized Hussein Obama for taking executive action against the right to bear arms.

    Most Conservatives would never vote for a pro-gun control Republican, just like most Liberals would never vote for a pro-life/anti-abortion Democrat.

    To many Conservatives gun rights trump even the immigration issue. But what they don’t know is that you can say goodbye to the second amendment in a majority Nonwhite and Democrat voting America. The second amendment only continues to exist as long as there is a majority White population.

    • Replies: @Thea
    @Jefferson

    I think the point of the executive order is to provoke a reaction than to enact meaningful gun control. There is not enough violence or bloodshed on America's streets for Obama. He would like to see a revolution

    , @Desiderius
    @Jefferson


    Most Conservatives would never vote for a pro-gun control Republican, just like most Liberals would never vote for a pro-life/anti-abortion Democrat.
     
    Both issues are about controlling Blacks without having to talk about Blacks directly.
    , @AndrewR
    @Jefferson

    I can't speak for anyone else but I don't have any absolute dealbreakers. I have issues I feel passionately about but if a candidate was wrong about that issue but right about everything else I'm sure I'd still vote for them.

  6. “The naïveté of Europe is really quite stunning.”

    Well, I guess I have to apologize to all the Europeans for my charge last August that the invading hordes of “Syrian refugees” were the result of “insanity.” It appears that it was the result of “naivete.” Sorry about that, Europe.

    • Replies: @iStevefan
    @tbraton

    Using terms like naive and insane for what the elite have wrought is being kind and setting them up a potential defense to let them off the hook. This action was DELIBERATE and people need to know this. The only ones who were naive were the populations who fell for the pc, multikulti drivel churned out by the elites' propaganda machine, aka the MSM.

    Replies: @Anonym, @tbraton

  7. @Clyde
    Migrant Who Walked Channel Tunnel Is Granted Asylum in Britain JAN. 4, 2016 - New York Times http://goo.gl/RtJoAE

    LONDON — The Sudanese man who walked the 31 miles through the Channel Tunnel in August only to be arrested in Britain has been granted asylum and can stay in the country, his lawyers said on Monday.

    The man, Abdul Rahman Haroun, had been one of the thousands of migrants and asylum seekers living in camps in Calais, France, seeking to get themselves into Britain, where they believe life will be better for them than at home or elsewhere in Europe.

    Mr. Haroun, 40 at the time, is believed to be the first person to make it through the tunnel on foot, although he was arrested by the British on Aug. 4, before emerging into the open air after a walk of some 11 hours.

    His extraordinary effort won him considerable publicity, and various nongovernmental groups campaigned to let him stay in Britain

    According to the prosecutor in the case and Mr. Haroun’s lawyer, Sadie Castle of the firm Kent Defense, Mr. Haroun was granted refugee status by the British Home Office on Dec. 24.
    Little is known about him, but the court heard at an earlier hearing that his native language is Zaghawa, suggesting that he may be from Darfur, a region of Sudan ravaged by more than a decade of conflict.
     

    Replies: @bomag

    Well, I suppose that is an ersatz citizenship test, but those are hardly the skills Britain needs in today’s world.

    If his family and descendants end up being less than expected, there is no recourse to this decision.

    • Replies: @Jimmy Docherty
    @bomag

    Hehe I was thinking the exact same thing wrt an ersatz citizenship test (that's a great formulation). It's as if these Brits want locomotive endurance as the criterion of selection for admission to the Sceptred Isle. That being said, I am immediately getting to work on a screenplay concerning this event. It will commence with the court case, be interspersed with scenes of his heroic walk and scenes of his love affair with his white lawyer, Sadie. I gotta seek my rent, goyim.

  8. To many Conservatives gun rights trump even the immigration issue. But what they don’t know is that you can say goodbye to the second amendment in a majority Nonwhite and Democrat voting America. The second amendment only continues to exist as long as there is a majority White population.

    Gun Owners of America realizes this and came out against the Gang of Eight immigration bill.

    • Replies: @iStevefan
    @Glaivester

    Which brings us to Ann Coulter's tweet of 3 hours ago:


    Rubio is complaining about Obama's gun policies while he's working to turn more states into California, which has Obama's gun policies.
    231 retweets 397 likes

     

  9. @bomag
    @Clyde

    Well, I suppose that is an ersatz citizenship test, but those are hardly the skills Britain needs in today's world.

    If his family and descendants end up being less than expected, there is no recourse to this decision.

    Replies: @Jimmy Docherty

    Hehe I was thinking the exact same thing wrt an ersatz citizenship test (that’s a great formulation). It’s as if these Brits want locomotive endurance as the criterion of selection for admission to the Sceptred Isle. That being said, I am immediately getting to work on a screenplay concerning this event. It will commence with the court case, be interspersed with scenes of his heroic walk and scenes of his love affair with his white lawyer, Sadie. I gotta seek my rent, goyim.

  10. @Jefferson
    @Lot

    "Between the nationwide campaign against the police on behalf of black criminals to the tone deaf radicalism of the academic left, the GOP’s task of getting an extra three percent of the white vote looks easier and easier."

    One of the few issues that unites both The Far Right Wing and the GOP Establishment is the second amendment. Even an invite the world open borders shill like Jeb Bush agrees that gun rights should be protected and has criticized Hussein Obama for taking executive action against the right to bear arms.

    Most Conservatives would never vote for a pro-gun control Republican, just like most Liberals would never vote for a pro-life/anti-abortion Democrat.

    To many Conservatives gun rights trump even the immigration issue. But what they don't know is that you can say goodbye to the second amendment in a majority Nonwhite and Democrat voting America. The second amendment only continues to exist as long as there is a majority White population.

    Replies: @Thea, @Desiderius, @AndrewR

    I think the point of the executive order is to provoke a reaction than to enact meaningful gun control. There is not enough violence or bloodshed on America’s streets for Obama. He would like to see a revolution

  11. Abe says: • Website

    The recent disclosure by the Belgian authorities that Salah Abdeslam, a suspected participant in the Nov. 13 Paris attacks, traveled to Hungary to collect two accomplices who entered Europe on the migrant trail has unleashed another burst of “told-you-so” comments in Budapest.

    The Hungarian government distorted what happened, claiming against all evidence that the

    Can’t believe that in an article with so much crow-eating by, yes, your NEW YORK TIMES- and it is remarkable given that a lot of the excoriation of Merkel’s policy is not even sourced, so not like they had to publish it or at least in such strong language- they’re still doubling down on the (?)Dana Millbank-created slogan there has never been a refugee terrorist- only immigrant terrorists, asylee terrorists, and children of all the above terrorists, but never, ever a refugee terrorist experiencing the intoxicating effects of magic dirt for the first time. So the accomplishes walked like refugees in the human tide that reached Hungary, they talked like refugees when telling their sad tale to border guards to get in, but deep down in their hearts they were never refugees, not really. Since the reliable old weighs-like-a-duck refugee test is sadly no longer possible for us, given only body pieces are what’s left, I suggest putting some remains in the refugee-o-tron at CERN to let !SCIENCE! finally settle this.

    • Replies: @Abe
    @Abe

    Sorry, chopped off the end of the quote, but did just notice something else-


    The Hungarian government distorted what happened, claiming against all evidence that the accomplices picked up by Mr. Abdeslam were themselves refugees. But the fact that terrorists appear to have entered Europe concealed among asylum seekers
     
    Whoa, whoa- did this trained journo-lister from America's proudest newspaper actually just use "asylum seeker" as a synonym for refugee, when we all know the distinction is crucial because refugees never, ever, ever turn terrorist- there's a greater chance a golden retriever would bite the face off a 7 year old with terminal leukemia? It's like, I can't even...
  12. If you call someone a “not a good person” than you are implying that on the other hand you are a really “good person”. Konrad in 1974 in communist Hungary sent a manuscript to his brother in low Ernő Sándor and asked him to hide it. There was no previous discussion of it that is he didn’t ask him beforehand. Few days later Konrad showed up with investigators and told him to give up the manuscript which he did.

    After that both men’s life changed. Konrad was able to travel freely to the west but Ernő’s career was destroyed. This is a well known story in Hungary and might be the reason why Konrad moved permanently to Germany.

  13. Merkel’s approval ratings tanked after her (probably illegal) decision to open Germany to the flood of Muslim invaders. Orban’s soared into the stratosphere – over 80% – after his decision to close off Hungary to those same invaders. Yet somehow it was Orban, doing exactly what his citizens wanted, who was spoken of as a ‘threat to democracy.’ Kinda tells you how the elites feel about democracy. Majority rule is nearly dead. The elites want to kill it off for good. But somehow no one has really realized that yet.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @Lex
    @Wilkey

    Just look at all the dancing around eurocrats did with European Constitution and later with Treaty of Lisbon especially in regards to Irish referendums.

    , @Massimo Heitor
    @Wilkey


    Yet somehow it was Orban, doing exactly what his citizens wanted, who was spoken of as a ‘threat to democracy.’ Kinda tells you how the elites feel about democracy.
     
    This is quite pithy.

    Elites undermining public will on major issues like mass immigration is definitely a threat to Democracy.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

  14. @DPG
    "Stridently illiberal," "[not] a good person," "shrill and often bigoted," "hate-mongering," "nasty snarls," "racism," "anti-semitism," "bizarre conspiracy theories," "belligerent tirades," "political fringe."

    The author uses all of these phrases against Orban in one single article. This is little better than Matt taibbi's histrionic editorializing. Thank you, Steve, for reading the NYT so that we don't have to.

    Replies: @berserker, @Hepp, @Bill

    Not only that, it’s not even in the context of “what some people call racist and shrill” language. These words are just used as adjectives the way you would say “the blue sky.”

  15. Abe says: • Website
    @Abe

    The recent disclosure by the Belgian authorities that Salah Abdeslam, a suspected participant in the Nov. 13 Paris attacks, traveled to Hungary to collect two accomplices who entered Europe on the migrant trail has unleashed another burst of “told-you-so” comments in Budapest.

    The Hungarian government distorted what happened, claiming against all evidence that the
     
    Can't believe that in an article with so much crow-eating by, yes, your NEW YORK TIMES- and it is remarkable given that a lot of the excoriation of Merkel's policy is not even sourced, so not like they had to publish it or at least in such strong language- they're still doubling down on the (?)Dana Millbank-created slogan there has never been a refugee terrorist- only immigrant terrorists, asylee terrorists, and children of all the above terrorists, but never, ever a refugee terrorist experiencing the intoxicating effects of magic dirt for the first time. So the accomplishes walked like refugees in the human tide that reached Hungary, they talked like refugees when telling their sad tale to border guards to get in, but deep down in their hearts they were never refugees, not really. Since the reliable old weighs-like-a-duck refugee test is sadly no longer possible for us, given only body pieces are what's left, I suggest putting some remains in the refugee-o-tron at CERN to let !SCIENCE! finally settle this.

    Replies: @Abe

    Sorry, chopped off the end of the quote, but did just notice something else-

    The Hungarian government distorted what happened, claiming against all evidence that the accomplices picked up by Mr. Abdeslam were themselves refugees. But the fact that terrorists appear to have entered Europe concealed among asylum seekers

    Whoa, whoa- did this trained journo-lister from America’s proudest newspaper actually just use “asylum seeker” as a synonym for refugee, when we all know the distinction is crucial because refugees never, ever, ever turn terrorist- there’s a greater chance a golden retriever would bite the face off a 7 year old with terminal leukemia? It’s like, I can’t even…

  16. Well, Enoch Powell ‘got it all right’ some 50 years ago.

    But you won’t see many politicians advertising that fact.

  17. @DPG
    "Stridently illiberal," "[not] a good person," "shrill and often bigoted," "hate-mongering," "nasty snarls," "racism," "anti-semitism," "bizarre conspiracy theories," "belligerent tirades," "political fringe."

    The author uses all of these phrases against Orban in one single article. This is little better than Matt taibbi's histrionic editorializing. Thank you, Steve, for reading the NYT so that we don't have to.

    Replies: @berserker, @Hepp, @Bill

    Orban’s Fidesz isn’t even the right wing party in Hungary. Orban himself is a moderate, like Merkel. He’s just not insane like Merkel.

    Bizarro world.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @Bill

    "Orban’s Fidesz isn’t even the right wing party in Hungary. Orban himself is a moderate, like Merkel. He’s just not insane like Merkel. "

    Fidesz is a pretty right-wing, nationalistic party, but Hungary's politics have shifted so far to the patriotic right, that they still have Jobbik, an even MORE right-wing nationalistic party, getting double-digit support in national elections. But Fidesz would most definitely not be considered a party of the center, or even the center-right, in any Western European country.

  18. Soros is now funding protests against new somewhat conservative government of Poland that opposes refugee quotas.

  19. @Wilkey
    Merkel's approval ratings tanked after her (probably illegal) decision to open Germany to the flood of Muslim invaders. Orban's soared into the stratosphere - over 80% - after his decision to close off Hungary to those same invaders. Yet somehow it was Orban, doing exactly what his citizens wanted, who was spoken of as a 'threat to democracy.' Kinda tells you how the elites feel about democracy. Majority rule is nearly dead. The elites want to kill it off for good. But somehow no one has really realized that yet.

    Replies: @Lex, @Massimo Heitor

    Just look at all the dancing around eurocrats did with European Constitution and later with Treaty of Lisbon especially in regards to Irish referendums.

  20. @Wilkey
    Merkel's approval ratings tanked after her (probably illegal) decision to open Germany to the flood of Muslim invaders. Orban's soared into the stratosphere - over 80% - after his decision to close off Hungary to those same invaders. Yet somehow it was Orban, doing exactly what his citizens wanted, who was spoken of as a 'threat to democracy.' Kinda tells you how the elites feel about democracy. Majority rule is nearly dead. The elites want to kill it off for good. But somehow no one has really realized that yet.

    Replies: @Lex, @Massimo Heitor

    Yet somehow it was Orban, doing exactly what his citizens wanted, who was spoken of as a ‘threat to democracy.’ Kinda tells you how the elites feel about democracy.

    This is quite pithy.

    Elites undermining public will on major issues like mass immigration is definitely a threat to Democracy.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Massimo Heitor


    Elites undermining public will on major issues like mass immigration is definitely a threat to Democracy.
     
    Yes. The State is electing a new People. This is how the "Mandate of Heaven" is lost. We are headed for a violent future.

    Replies: @Wilkey

  21. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Is Europe led by Jim Jones or Marshall Applewhite?

    Ironically, Merkel is carrying out Hitler’s wishes.

    As he faced defeat, Hitler called on the total & permanent destruction of Europe, esp Germany cuz the Germans failed him. Let Paris burn and may all of Germany be destroyed completely.

    Speer, in his finest hour, disobeyed. Germany survived.
    But Merkel seems to be carrying out Hitler’s last wish.
    The abolishing of Germany. Hitler would be proud. Good girl. She listens, unlike Speer.
    Ironically, Hitler’s wishes are being carried out in the name of overcoming his legacy.

    Merkel finishes the downfall.

    • Replies: @donut
    @Anon

    I thought the same thing a while ago .

    , @Jefferson
    @Anon

    Is Europe led by Jim Jones or Marshall Applewhite?

    "Ironically, Merkel is carrying out Hitler’s wishes.

    As he faced defeat, Hitler called on the total & permanent destruction of Europe, esp Germany cuz the Germans failed him. Let Paris burn and may all of Germany be destroyed completely.

    Speer, in his finest hour, disobeyed. Germany survived.
    But Merkel seems to be carrying out Hitler’s last wish.
    The abolishing of Germany. Hitler would be proud. Good girl. She listens, unlike Speer.
    Ironically, Hitler’s wishes are being carried out in the name of overcoming his legacy.

    Merkel finishes the downfall."

    Not many White Nationalist Skinheads know that Adolf Hitler loved the Muslim people and also that he had a lot of negative things to say about Christianity as he thought Christianity held back Europe from it's full potential. The irony that they worship a man who would have 100 percent approved of the Islamification of Europe. These fools even celebrate Adolf Hitler's birthday every year like it was a national holiday and see him as the greatest Human Being that Mankind has ever produced.

    Replies: @random observer

  22. Orban committed the unpardonable sin of recognizing the reality when the liberal intellectual elite did not want it recognized. He is a traditionalist.

    Auster’s Law:
    The traditionalist, or reactionary, recognizes a threat to his society the instant it appears.
    The conservative recognizes it only after it has done serious, irreparable damage.
    The leftist, or “liberal,” recognizes a threat only after his society has been completely destroyed, if he ever recognizes it at all.

    • Replies: @Travis
    @Harry Baldwin

    Leftists seek to destroy society , so they may actually recognize the threats and thus help promote these threats to society...Many of the leftists who support amnesty and want western nations to accept the muslim invaders must know these aliens will destroy western european culture which is why they support granting residency to the muslim men invading Europe.

    Replies: @anon

  23. @Massimo Heitor
    @Wilkey


    Yet somehow it was Orban, doing exactly what his citizens wanted, who was spoken of as a ‘threat to democracy.’ Kinda tells you how the elites feel about democracy.
     
    This is quite pithy.

    Elites undermining public will on major issues like mass immigration is definitely a threat to Democracy.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    Elites undermining public will on major issues like mass immigration is definitely a threat to Democracy.

    Yes. The State is electing a new People. This is how the “Mandate of Heaven” is lost. We are headed for a violent future.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Indeed. They a) blatantly ignore the public will in order to b) replace the people with a different people. It's doubly undemocratic.

  24. @Harry Baldwin
    Orban committed the unpardonable sin of recognizing the reality when the liberal intellectual elite did not want it recognized. He is a traditionalist.

    Auster's Law:
    The traditionalist, or reactionary, recognizes a threat to his society the instant it appears.
    The conservative recognizes it only after it has done serious, irreparable damage.
    The leftist, or "liberal," recognizes a threat only after his society has been completely destroyed, if he ever recognizes it at all.

    Replies: @Travis

    Leftists seek to destroy society , so they may actually recognize the threats and thus help promote these threats to society…Many of the leftists who support amnesty and want western nations to accept the muslim invaders must know these aliens will destroy western european culture which is why they support granting residency to the muslim men invading Europe.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Travis

    I'm sure there are multiple types but most of the ones I've known simply believe the media version of reality because they have no personal experience to contradict it.

    They believe racism/bigotry is a white thing and if white people changed then everything would be fine.

    They live inside a media illusion.

  25. @Jefferson
    @Lot

    "Between the nationwide campaign against the police on behalf of black criminals to the tone deaf radicalism of the academic left, the GOP’s task of getting an extra three percent of the white vote looks easier and easier."

    One of the few issues that unites both The Far Right Wing and the GOP Establishment is the second amendment. Even an invite the world open borders shill like Jeb Bush agrees that gun rights should be protected and has criticized Hussein Obama for taking executive action against the right to bear arms.

    Most Conservatives would never vote for a pro-gun control Republican, just like most Liberals would never vote for a pro-life/anti-abortion Democrat.

    To many Conservatives gun rights trump even the immigration issue. But what they don't know is that you can say goodbye to the second amendment in a majority Nonwhite and Democrat voting America. The second amendment only continues to exist as long as there is a majority White population.

    Replies: @Thea, @Desiderius, @AndrewR

    Most Conservatives would never vote for a pro-gun control Republican, just like most Liberals would never vote for a pro-life/anti-abortion Democrat.

    Both issues are about controlling Blacks without having to talk about Blacks directly.

  26. @Bill
    @DPG

    Orban's Fidesz isn't even the right wing party in Hungary. Orban himself is a moderate, like Merkel. He's just not insane like Merkel.

    Bizarro world.

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe

    “Orban’s Fidesz isn’t even the right wing party in Hungary. Orban himself is a moderate, like Merkel. He’s just not insane like Merkel. “

    Fidesz is a pretty right-wing, nationalistic party, but Hungary’s politics have shifted so far to the patriotic right, that they still have Jobbik, an even MORE right-wing nationalistic party, getting double-digit support in national elections. But Fidesz would most definitely not be considered a party of the center, or even the center-right, in any Western European country.

  27. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Travis
    @Harry Baldwin

    Leftists seek to destroy society , so they may actually recognize the threats and thus help promote these threats to society...Many of the leftists who support amnesty and want western nations to accept the muslim invaders must know these aliens will destroy western european culture which is why they support granting residency to the muslim men invading Europe.

    Replies: @anon

    I’m sure there are multiple types but most of the ones I’ve known simply believe the media version of reality because they have no personal experience to contradict it.

    They believe racism/bigotry is a white thing and if white people changed then everything would be fine.

    They live inside a media illusion.

    • Agree: Kylie
  28. Not that Muslims, leftists, and Soros haven’t bragged that that’s indeed what they are, respectively, doing

    I don’t really doubt that those groups have bragged about what they’re doing, but it would be nice if you would cite some sources that we can share with others.

    I know I’ve heard a Muslim or two brag about wanting to Islamify Europe but I’ve never heard a leftist or Soros openly admit to what they’re really doing.

    • Replies: @anon
    @AndrewR


    I’ve never heard a leftist or Soros openly admit to what they’re really doing.
     
    It's generally only the extreme end of the modern leftist spectrum, Greens, who openly gloat about it at the moment.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riQh4Qpvxm4

    As the white percentage declines the gloating will become more widespread although if you can troll leftists on twitter enough they'll often lose their temper and come out with it.
  29. @Jefferson
    @Lot

    "Between the nationwide campaign against the police on behalf of black criminals to the tone deaf radicalism of the academic left, the GOP’s task of getting an extra three percent of the white vote looks easier and easier."

    One of the few issues that unites both The Far Right Wing and the GOP Establishment is the second amendment. Even an invite the world open borders shill like Jeb Bush agrees that gun rights should be protected and has criticized Hussein Obama for taking executive action against the right to bear arms.

    Most Conservatives would never vote for a pro-gun control Republican, just like most Liberals would never vote for a pro-life/anti-abortion Democrat.

    To many Conservatives gun rights trump even the immigration issue. But what they don't know is that you can say goodbye to the second amendment in a majority Nonwhite and Democrat voting America. The second amendment only continues to exist as long as there is a majority White population.

    Replies: @Thea, @Desiderius, @AndrewR

    I can’t speak for anyone else but I don’t have any absolute dealbreakers. I have issues I feel passionately about but if a candidate was wrong about that issue but right about everything else I’m sure I’d still vote for them.

  30. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Massimo Heitor


    Elites undermining public will on major issues like mass immigration is definitely a threat to Democracy.
     
    Yes. The State is electing a new People. This is how the "Mandate of Heaven" is lost. We are headed for a violent future.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    Indeed. They a) blatantly ignore the public will in order to b) replace the people with a different people. It’s doubly undemocratic.

  31. @Anon
    Is Europe led by Jim Jones or Marshall Applewhite?

    Ironically, Merkel is carrying out Hitler's wishes.

    As he faced defeat, Hitler called on the total & permanent destruction of Europe, esp Germany cuz the Germans failed him. Let Paris burn and may all of Germany be destroyed completely.

    Speer, in his finest hour, disobeyed. Germany survived.
    But Merkel seems to be carrying out Hitler's last wish.
    The abolishing of Germany. Hitler would be proud. Good girl. She listens, unlike Speer.
    Ironically, Hitler's wishes are being carried out in the name of overcoming his legacy.

    Merkel finishes the downfall.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRdQYF8yXd4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMZaMkyhxlQ

    Replies: @donut, @Jefferson

    I thought the same thing a while ago .

  32. Quietly, and often with similar misgivings, a growing number of people in the US and beyond are wondering whether, despite his shrill and often bigoted message, Mr. Trump has a clearer view of the scale of the migration crisis and its potential hazards than technocrats and leaders in Washington and leaders in European capitals.

    In fact, Mr. Trump’s prescriptions — notably the need to secure America’s borders and to build a border wall to seal the southern border — have slowly been embraced by other US leaders, who vowed to “regain control” of the country’s borders.

    A guy can dream, right?

  33. What’s the problem Sailer ? Don’t you like music ?

    Only a Negro would come to Europe dressed in shorts and flip flops .

  34. Merkel is an ex-communist functionary who remained loyal to the “German Democratic Republic” until the Berlin Wall was literally coming down.

    Orban risked his life as a student staring down Soviet tanks in Budapest and made a speech which played a major role in the fall of Hungarian communism.

    Which one would you rather follow?

    • Replies: @anonguy
    @Bert

    It is an utter travesty that Merkel is anywhere other than in prison or a prison grave after execution.

    I understand the strategic reasons why Bush I chose conciliation after the end of the Cold War, but now we have to suffer from the consequences of not having a purge, call to account, etc, for every Communist Party member like we are still doing with just about every ex-Nazi (or even simply late war non-German SS draftee/flunky).

    As usual, the Rs thought they were being gracious, genteel, unlike the unwashed left and got played as usual - winning the Cold War, probably about the only significant right wing accomplishment in, I dunno, a century maybe, has been completely flushed down the memory hole. The narrative has it due to the beneficence of crypto/premature SJW Gorbachev at best or simply fated to happen as an natural phenomenon if anyone remembers it at all. Certainly Reagan and the right had nothing to do with it and former commies were all just happy innocents in the sway of an innocuous system whose only identifiable fault was their shoddy consumer goods.

    Really - end of the Cold War just mean better shopping for those behind the Iron Curtain.

  35. @Glaivester

    To many Conservatives gun rights trump even the immigration issue. But what they don’t know is that you can say goodbye to the second amendment in a majority Nonwhite and Democrat voting America. The second amendment only continues to exist as long as there is a majority White population.
     
    Gun Owners of America realizes this and came out against the Gang of Eight immigration bill.

    Replies: @iStevefan

    Which brings us to Ann Coulter’s tweet of 3 hours ago:

    Rubio is complaining about Obama’s gun policies while he’s working to turn more states into California, which has Obama’s gun policies.
    231 retweets 397 likes

  36. iStevefan says:
    @tbraton
    "The naïveté of Europe is really quite stunning.”

    Well, I guess I have to apologize to all the Europeans for my charge last August that the invading hordes of "Syrian refugees" were the result of "insanity." It appears that it was the result of "naivete." Sorry about that, Europe.

    Replies: @iStevefan

    Using terms like naive and insane for what the elite have wrought is being kind and setting them up a potential defense to let them off the hook. This action was DELIBERATE and people need to know this. The only ones who were naive were the populations who fell for the pc, multikulti drivel churned out by the elites’ propaganda machine, aka the MSM.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Anonym
    @iStevefan

    There are definitely some koolaid drinking useful idiots alongside the Soroses and Schumers of the world, especially in politics.

    , @tbraton
    @iStevefan

    "Using terms like naive and insane for what the elite have wrought is being kind and setting them up a potential defense to let them off the hook. "

    You're right to focus on the elites, for they are the decision makers, the "deciders" (to coin a phrase). It was the deciders, after all, who decided to get us involved in that incredibly stupid and destructive war in Iraq. But my post was addressed to the "Europeans" in general. Even here in the U.S., we saw about two years ago that the American public influenced the elites to decide that getting involved outright in the war in Syria was not such a hot idea, after all. And that followed the action in Britain where the Parliament refused to authorize military action against Syria in response to the overwhelming resistance by the British public. As far as Europe goes, I am still appalled that the overall population does not recognize the utter stupidity of what their leaders have decided is a great idea for Europe.

  37. I nominate this as your best and funniest headline ever, Steve!

  38. I visited Syria for abt. 10 days in “77 . It was a beautiful country with beautiful friendly people (like SyrianGirlpartisan).

    Not like the ugly black tide engulfing Europe now .

  39. AmericanaCON [AKA "BostonianConservative"] says:

    Viktor Orbans is a hardcore conservative. My jaw drop everytime. His Christmas speech (English Subtitles);

  40. What’s the matter with those Euroweenies anyway ? Oh , they’ve been neutered by 60 years of progressive media sludge , they were stupid enough to trust their vile corrupted “leaders” to protect them and they don’t have any guns . Ripe for the picking . It’s like looking in a mirror .

  41. Orban may be the pound for pound best national leader in the world. He was right about something else:

    Hungary’s Orban Makes World’s Best Trade on Swiss Franc Loans
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-16/hungary-s-orban-makes-world-s-best-trade-on-swiss-franc-loans

    Book on how the Newark educrats rolled Zuckerberg:

    Mark Zuckerberg, Chris Christie, and Cory Booker were ready to reform our failing schools. They got an education.

    Book review of sorts

    Education Model For America Also No Prize (Part 1)
    https://burypensions.wordpress.com/2016/01/01/education-model-for-america-also-no-prize-part-1/

  42. @iStevefan
    @tbraton

    Using terms like naive and insane for what the elite have wrought is being kind and setting them up a potential defense to let them off the hook. This action was DELIBERATE and people need to know this. The only ones who were naive were the populations who fell for the pc, multikulti drivel churned out by the elites' propaganda machine, aka the MSM.

    Replies: @Anonym, @tbraton

    There are definitely some koolaid drinking useful idiots alongside the Soroses and Schumers of the world, especially in politics.

  43. @Anon
    Is Europe led by Jim Jones or Marshall Applewhite?

    Ironically, Merkel is carrying out Hitler's wishes.

    As he faced defeat, Hitler called on the total & permanent destruction of Europe, esp Germany cuz the Germans failed him. Let Paris burn and may all of Germany be destroyed completely.

    Speer, in his finest hour, disobeyed. Germany survived.
    But Merkel seems to be carrying out Hitler's last wish.
    The abolishing of Germany. Hitler would be proud. Good girl. She listens, unlike Speer.
    Ironically, Hitler's wishes are being carried out in the name of overcoming his legacy.

    Merkel finishes the downfall.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRdQYF8yXd4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMZaMkyhxlQ

    Replies: @donut, @Jefferson

    Is Europe led by Jim Jones or Marshall Applewhite?

    “Ironically, Merkel is carrying out Hitler’s wishes.

    As he faced defeat, Hitler called on the total & permanent destruction of Europe, esp Germany cuz the Germans failed him. Let Paris burn and may all of Germany be destroyed completely.

    Speer, in his finest hour, disobeyed. Germany survived.
    But Merkel seems to be carrying out Hitler’s last wish.
    The abolishing of Germany. Hitler would be proud. Good girl. She listens, unlike Speer.
    Ironically, Hitler’s wishes are being carried out in the name of overcoming his legacy.

    Merkel finishes the downfall.”

    Not many White Nationalist Skinheads know that Adolf Hitler loved the Muslim people and also that he had a lot of negative things to say about Christianity as he thought Christianity held back Europe from it’s full potential. The irony that they worship a man who would have 100 percent approved of the Islamification of Europe. These fools even celebrate Adolf Hitler’s birthday every year like it was a national holiday and see him as the greatest Human Being that Mankind has ever produced.

    • Replies: @random observer
    @Jefferson

    I recall there was some notion in the 1990s and 2000s about WN seeking cooperation with Islamists on grounds of common attitudes to the Jews and USgov. Not surprised nothing came of it.

    What you say is true up to a point, but I got the impression that Hitler's preferences in rough order would be:

    1. A European Europe led by Nordics who professed National Socialism. Lesser Europeans and lesser fascisms could orbit around them. Ideally, religion would fade away. Silly pagan revivals [he is widely accepted to have disdained them] promoted by Himmler or Rosenberg would be better than Christianity, and tolerated more or less.

    2. A European Europe in which said Europeans professed the more manly creed of Islam instead of Christianity. Not one full of Arabs. The man WAS concerned more by blood than faith, after all.

    Although the original sentiment holds. Once he was defeated, he probably would have considered this outcome funny in a sort of cackly way. He did proclaim that Germany deserved to be destroyed, having proved itself inferior to the Slav. Now it can't even equal the Arab.

  44. @Bert
    Merkel is an ex-communist functionary who remained loyal to the "German Democratic Republic" until the Berlin Wall was literally coming down.

    Orban risked his life as a student staring down Soviet tanks in Budapest and made a speech which played a major role in the fall of Hungarian communism.

    Which one would you rather follow?

    Replies: @anonguy

    It is an utter travesty that Merkel is anywhere other than in prison or a prison grave after execution.

    I understand the strategic reasons why Bush I chose conciliation after the end of the Cold War, but now we have to suffer from the consequences of not having a purge, call to account, etc, for every Communist Party member like we are still doing with just about every ex-Nazi (or even simply late war non-German SS draftee/flunky).

    As usual, the Rs thought they were being gracious, genteel, unlike the unwashed left and got played as usual – winning the Cold War, probably about the only significant right wing accomplishment in, I dunno, a century maybe, has been completely flushed down the memory hole. The narrative has it due to the beneficence of crypto/premature SJW Gorbachev at best or simply fated to happen as an natural phenomenon if anyone remembers it at all. Certainly Reagan and the right had nothing to do with it and former commies were all just happy innocents in the sway of an innocuous system whose only identifiable fault was their shoddy consumer goods.

    Really – end of the Cold War just mean better shopping for those behind the Iron Curtain.

  45. NYT burnt a lot of reader goodwill on their pro-immivasion campaign. Read the comments on the Cologne rape article. People are f###ing pissed.

  46. @iStevefan
    @tbraton

    Using terms like naive and insane for what the elite have wrought is being kind and setting them up a potential defense to let them off the hook. This action was DELIBERATE and people need to know this. The only ones who were naive were the populations who fell for the pc, multikulti drivel churned out by the elites' propaganda machine, aka the MSM.

    Replies: @Anonym, @tbraton

    “Using terms like naive and insane for what the elite have wrought is being kind and setting them up a potential defense to let them off the hook. ”

    You’re right to focus on the elites, for they are the decision makers, the “deciders” (to coin a phrase). It was the deciders, after all, who decided to get us involved in that incredibly stupid and destructive war in Iraq. But my post was addressed to the “Europeans” in general. Even here in the U.S., we saw about two years ago that the American public influenced the elites to decide that getting involved outright in the war in Syria was not such a hot idea, after all. And that followed the action in Britain where the Parliament refused to authorize military action against Syria in response to the overwhelming resistance by the British public. As far as Europe goes, I am still appalled that the overall population does not recognize the utter stupidity of what their leaders have decided is a great idea for Europe.

  47. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @AndrewR

    Not that Muslims, leftists, and Soros haven’t bragged that that’s indeed what they are, respectively, doing
     
    I don't really doubt that those groups have bragged about what they're doing, but it would be nice if you would cite some sources that we can share with others.

    I know I've heard a Muslim or two brag about wanting to Islamify Europe but I've never heard a leftist or Soros openly admit to what they're really doing.

    Replies: @anon

    I’ve never heard a leftist or Soros openly admit to what they’re really doing.

    It’s generally only the extreme end of the modern leftist spectrum, Greens, who openly gloat about it at the moment.

    As the white percentage declines the gloating will become more widespread although if you can troll leftists on twitter enough they’ll often lose their temper and come out with it.

  48. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t really think ORBAN gives much of a hoot what anybody thinks about his decision to build the fence – as long as his people agree, and they do agree BIG TIME. PC politicians & media hecks still try to use this stu.pid lingo, such as POPULIST (as if it was something terrible). Nobody in Europe cares much about the brain washed elites who tend to think they are intellectuals (by GOD…). Orban is gaining popularity all over Europe!

  49. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    One thing that bothers me, though: these extremist, Neoliberal media (like NYT) accuse Orban with antisemitism – and why exactly? Ostensibly because he had info that HUNGARY born international billioner GEORGE SOROS was supporting this Muslim invasion of Europe (which SOROS not even denying or hiding.) Oh well, no special comment even needed…

  50. @Jefferson
    @Anon

    Is Europe led by Jim Jones or Marshall Applewhite?

    "Ironically, Merkel is carrying out Hitler’s wishes.

    As he faced defeat, Hitler called on the total & permanent destruction of Europe, esp Germany cuz the Germans failed him. Let Paris burn and may all of Germany be destroyed completely.

    Speer, in his finest hour, disobeyed. Germany survived.
    But Merkel seems to be carrying out Hitler’s last wish.
    The abolishing of Germany. Hitler would be proud. Good girl. She listens, unlike Speer.
    Ironically, Hitler’s wishes are being carried out in the name of overcoming his legacy.

    Merkel finishes the downfall."

    Not many White Nationalist Skinheads know that Adolf Hitler loved the Muslim people and also that he had a lot of negative things to say about Christianity as he thought Christianity held back Europe from it's full potential. The irony that they worship a man who would have 100 percent approved of the Islamification of Europe. These fools even celebrate Adolf Hitler's birthday every year like it was a national holiday and see him as the greatest Human Being that Mankind has ever produced.

    Replies: @random observer

    I recall there was some notion in the 1990s and 2000s about WN seeking cooperation with Islamists on grounds of common attitudes to the Jews and USgov. Not surprised nothing came of it.

    What you say is true up to a point, but I got the impression that Hitler’s preferences in rough order would be:

    1. A European Europe led by Nordics who professed National Socialism. Lesser Europeans and lesser fascisms could orbit around them. Ideally, religion would fade away. Silly pagan revivals [he is widely accepted to have disdained them] promoted by Himmler or Rosenberg would be better than Christianity, and tolerated more or less.

    2. A European Europe in which said Europeans professed the more manly creed of Islam instead of Christianity. Not one full of Arabs. The man WAS concerned more by blood than faith, after all.

    Although the original sentiment holds. Once he was defeated, he probably would have considered this outcome funny in a sort of cackly way. He did proclaim that Germany deserved to be destroyed, having proved itself inferior to the Slav. Now it can’t even equal the Arab.

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