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“The third world exists everywhere here — in the spread of inequality.”
We imported millions of poor Turd Worlders and now he complains that L.A. has million of poor First Worlders – as if changing locations changes the reasons they all were poor. If Los Angeles’s new occupants had the skills and values to be middle class, they would’ve been middle class in their native countries.
Los Angeles used to be home to the rich and middle class. Now it’s home to the rich and poor.
“If it feels like there are people living on the streets and under bridges everywhere you look, it’s because there are,” Bianca Barragan wrote for the website L.A. Curbed last month, after a survey by the Los Angeles Homeless Services Authority found an 85 percent increase in the number of people living in tents and cars over the past two years.”
When do you think the press will finally start paying much attention to this? I suggest it will happen in February 2017 – if a Republican becomes the next president.
It’s time for the conservative press to start harping on this. Donald Trump, are you paying attention?
Maybe it can be like Greece and rebranded Los Athens. Everybody can vote themselves more and more benefits that nobody can afford and everybody can be nobody. Yes can be no.
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This link was buried 200 comments in to a dead thread from the other day.
http://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf
Lots of crime and costs.
wren says:
July 7, 2015 at 1:33 am GMT • 200 Words
There are a few articles and reports that I can easily find.
“Congressman Steve King (R-IA) estimates that illegal alien drunk drivers kill 13 Americans every day — that’s a death toll of 4,745 per year.”
http://www.constitutionparty.com/illegal-alien-crime-and-violence-by-the-numbers-were-all-victims/
Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa.”
http://www.wnd.com/2006/11/39031/#cjEhV0wE8KWZZZ5B.99
According to Heather McDonald of the Manhattan Institute, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.
http://www.wnd.com/2006/09/38134/
In 2008 California spent about a billion dollars to keep 27,000 illegal aliens in prison. Nine percent of them were there for homicide, which seems to add up to about 2,400 homicides, although these could have been spread over several years. In New York 27% of the illegals in prison were there for homicide.
Please double check my quick analysis of the GAO’s numbers here:
http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-11-187
http://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf
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wren says:
July 7, 2015 at 1:44 am GMT
@wren
BTW, when looking at the GAO’s statistics on alien criminal activity, note that SCAAP stands for “State Criminal Alien Assistance Program.”
It seems to be a kind of Obamacare for the states’ expenses for prison expenses for housing criminal aliens, illegal and otherwise.
It is run by the DOJ.
https://www.bja.gov/ProgramDetails.aspx?Program_ID=86Replies: @unit472, @Hail
At least they mentioned it as “arrival” in the second paragraph only.
And the author’s Hispanic as well.
Hasn’t there been an exodus of whites from California?
The geography of costal California is not conductive to endless suburban sprawl, as can be seen in the Texas Triangle. Zoning and National Forests make it even harder.
Enough was enough. We felt that we had two options: (1) Buy a gun, or (2) leave. We left and moved the family to Oklahoma. It was one of the best decisions we ever made.Replies: @Jefferson, @Harry Baldwin
http://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf
Lots of crime and costs.Replies: @wren
Might as well paste the comments here. It was in reply to the contention that illegal Mexicans don’t often commit violent crimes.
wren says:
July 7, 2015 at 1:33 am GMT • 200 Words
There are a few articles and reports that I can easily find.
“Congressman Steve King (R-IA) estimates that illegal alien drunk drivers kill 13 Americans every day — that’s a death toll of 4,745 per year.”
http://www.constitutionparty.com/illegal-alien-crime-and-violence-by-the-numbers-were-all-victims/
Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa.”
http://www.wnd.com/2006/11/39031/#cjEhV0wE8KWZZZ5B.99
According to Heather McDonald of the Manhattan Institute, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.
http://www.wnd.com/2006/09/38134/
In 2008 California spent about a billion dollars to keep 27,000 illegal aliens in prison. Nine percent of them were there for homicide, which seems to add up to about 2,400 homicides, although these could have been spread over several years. In New York 27% of the illegals in prison were there for homicide.
Please double check my quick analysis of the GAO’s numbers here:
http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-11-187
http://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf
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July 7, 2015 at 1:44 am GMT
BTW, when looking at the GAO’s statistics on alien criminal activity, note that SCAAP stands for “State Criminal Alien Assistance Program.”
It seems to be a kind of Obamacare for the states’ expenses for prison expenses for housing criminal aliens, illegal and otherwise.
It is run by the DOJ.
https://www.bja.gov/ProgramDetails.aspx?Program_ID=86
I thought convicted felons were to be deported and two DUI's in five years is a felony in Florida so why do I see some tomato picker getting his third or fourth DUI?Replies: @Pat Gilligan, @JSM
I bet the Los Angeles metropolitan area looked a lot less 3rd world in 1955 when Disneyland was inaugurated.
I wonder what Walt Disney would think of the Los Angeles metropolitan area today if he was still alive.
At a certain point, the law of diminishing marginal returns, an Isteve Theme, comes into play. Donald Trump can sense both the gap in addressing mass Third World immigration, and the threat to his real estate interests that are both certain to be seized with enough Third World people to vote themselves the assets, and decline rapidly in value with enough Third World people around them.
The NY Slim Times will be the last to cover this; but my guess is Hollywood is breaking on the side of not having lots of desperately poor people happy to vote themselves the houses and other physical holdings of Hollywood people. Jay Leno may be a liberal guy, but my guess is he’s 100% against nationalizing his car collection for the people. And the children.
Hollywood people are different than Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg. The latter have hard to seize assets and make much of their money outside the US (Facebook has, what 1.5 billion users active?) I imagine most of their assets are tied up in houses, mansions, cars, etc. easy to seize. The reaction to Greece seizing accounts over €8,000. That’s not a lot.
George Clooney won’t care, but the midline stars making “only” a few tens of millions a year when they work (and next to nothing when they don’t) certainly will get … thoughtful.
Its a lot easier and quicker to seize a few mansions, big bank accounts, than the meager cash savings of the remaining LA middle class. Food for thought.
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Without quality, craftsmanship and tradition everything is unimportant. If you are in LA you might want to head east.
But they’re such hard workers.
Meh. He discusses immigration quite plainly in the second paragraph. He just treats it as a constant; once there are a few brown people, what difference does it make if there are any more?
My real beef with this article is that like so many other articles about homelessness it’s written as if the homeless are totally without agency. When it comes to choosing where to live, good weather is a much more important factor for the homeless than for the homeful. People still come to California to follow their dreams, even if it’s a modest dream of not being freezing cold or melting hot all the time. The rate of homelessness just isn’t a good measure of the moral fabric of a city.
The homeless are also attracted to cities with liberal social policies. Homeless illegal aliens like the San Francisco murderer are also fond of sanctuary cities.
It’s 3 Hundred or 3rd World. Made in Monument.
http://tri-lakestribune.net/stories/made-in/monument,175237?
City will be lucky to have steady water supplies in a year.
L.A. is simply becoming what Miami is and what Marseille has always been, namely a mongrel city located at a point of intersection.
LA turns everyone into shit… with a few exceptions of course.
Worst Mexicans, worst Jews, worst blacks, worst Chinese, worst Koreans, worst Armenians, worst Iranians, worst etc, are all in LA.
YES. I could give you a list of 20 families at least that have left in the last 12 years. All of them white Republicans. They left for job opportunities and to retire in a cheaper place.
I remember seeing a very old looking White homeless pan handler in Honolulu on Watter’s World. How the hell did a old as hell White homeless bum from the mainland come up with the money to purchase a plane ticket to Honolulu? A plane ride to Honolulu from the mainland is nowhere near as cheap as purchasing a Grey Hound bus ticket from Green Bay, Wisconsin to San Francisco for example. He looked like he was born way before Hawaii officially become a U.S state, so he had to be born on the mainland.
http://www.civilbeat.com/2013/07/19557-homeless-in-hawaii-state-will-fly-you-back-to-family-on-mainland/Replies: @Jefferson
Hawaii started to try to fly the homeless back to where they came from. Many cities DID give them tickets to Hawaii.
http://www.civilbeat.com/2013/07/19557-homeless-in-hawaii-state-will-fly-you-back-to-family-on-mainland/
Which U.S cities on the mainland are shipping their panhandler population to Hawaii? Also won't other passengers complain about the smell of the homeless person on the plane.
Is it a coincidence that the one homeless person they managed to interview is a white man nicknamed “the Cowboy”?
The end of the Cold War caused a massive downsizing of the military-industrial complex in CA, aided and abetted by the liberal politicians. San Diego was the exception.
The geography of costal California is not conductive to endless suburban sprawl, as can be seen in the Texas Triangle. Zoning and National Forests make it even harder.
LA been a Third World City for at least the last 20 years. It’s just that a lot of whites living here have bullshitted themselves that everything is as it used to be.
You go a couple of miles in the wrong direct you end up in part of town that is bad. I used to do a lot of business in Pacomia/Arleta and North Hollywood – mostly rebuilding and selling salvaged autos to Mexicans. One place I had to visit was right next to a massive dump, god almighty did it stink. And whole place was filled with illegals and ruffians. Lots of Arabs and Russians running shops down there as well. The Arabs were generally the worst of the lot in terms of behavior. I know the Mexicans they deal with are going to one day settle scores with them. Overall Pacomia is a very dirty place. You don’t want to be a pedestrian because the locals are mostly 3rd worlders who don’t believe in stopping, so don’t cross the street. And you do not go down there at night. I’m serious.
So far no C.H.U.D’s. but they would come in handy dealing with the homeless.
Oh lets see, then there’s Florance and Normandy that has that Escape from New York vibe going strong. 55 gallon trash drums placed on the sidewalk that were on fire in the middle of the day, store after store front boarded up, thugs glaring at you as you slowly drive the street in your Crown Vic. The women were equally rough. This was years ago, hopefully the Koreans have gentrified the joint.
Then there was this auto auction house down at Rosecrans and 110. Bad locale, lots of bad things happening at night. Very black. Just keep moving.
Oh then there’s famous old land mark bridge used in a lot of films(like RepoMan – now that was a film) just South of Little Tokyo, well that place is now a dump filled with illegals. You keep on moving. Now Little Tokyo is nice, not as nice as it was over a decade ago before they stuffed those nasty high rises down there. Talk about urban blight and death traps rolled into one.
Been down to La Habra a few times. Bad place, I ended up guarding the pickup truck because of the local clientele while the boss was doing his thing. We didn’t hang around. Mostly 3rd worlders.
Oh yeah then there’s the Federal building on 1st street, it’s near Santee Alley(knock-off alley). I am just surprised they don’t sell Mexican hunchbacked dwarfs back there. They sell everything else. Definitely a 3rd world vibe.
Decent people don’t live in San Fernando valley, they’ve moved to Simi Valley and beyond. The hey day of the San Fernando Valley was back in the 1980’s when tech firms were all over the place. Good times. Then various things happened that closed down the tech firms.
I feel sorry for outsiders who come rolling in thinking that Los Angeles is just like they see in the movies. It isn’t. Some places are nice but a lot of Los Angeles isn’t nice and hasn’t been for quite a while.
Steve, do you have anything to say about this?
Music scene died in L.A. and that’s an omen.
LA Weekly and OC Weekly desperately try to pretend that the non-white (and non-black) musical output of modern SoCal is meaningful but it is not. Just like Asians and Latins outside the country are not global leaders in music the pattern holds when you import them into America.
Anyway… are the Jews comfortable yet with the demographics of California? Is it incoherent enough?
What a flipping catastrophe. Jewish leadership of gentile countries makes zero sense.
http://www.civilbeat.com/2013/07/19557-homeless-in-hawaii-state-will-fly-you-back-to-family-on-mainland/Replies: @Jefferson
“Many cities DID give them tickets to Hawaii.”
Which U.S cities on the mainland are shipping their panhandler population to Hawaii? Also won’t other passengers complain about the smell of the homeless person on the plane.
The exodus of Whites from California is nothing new. When we lived in the Los Angeles area in the early 1990s. It seemed that almost every White person we knew was looking for a way out. The scenario was to cash out your aging “rancher” for a ridiculous sum of money and migrate to Nevada, Utah, Texas … anywhere else. Why? Gang violence, car jacking, poor schools, and the perception that the new immigrants were invading and looting the WASP communities at night (they were). The schools were also committed to a radical, “anti-White” diversity agenda. Plenty of photos of so-called Black and Hispanic “leaders” on the walls but no Whites. As a generalization, the schools were a “freak” show of drugs and social licentiousness that put teenagers at risk.
Enough was enough. We felt that we had two options: (1) Buy a gun, or (2) leave. We left and moved the family to Oklahoma. It was one of the best decisions we ever made.
Nevada huh, it used to be a red state at one time. So why did Nevada turn into a blue state? Is it because a lot of Liberal White Californians brought their blue state politics to Nevada. In addition to the increasing Hispanic population in Nevada. So a combination of the former and the latter can be blamed for Nevada turning to the dark side of politics.Replies: @SFG, @Chase
Why not do both?
But I imagine all of the ‘porn mills’, wherever those semi-mythological places are located, are doing just fine.
The ignorance here about the LA porn industry here surprises me. iSteve readers must be exemplars of moral purity, or at least satisfy their lusts with other people!
Two points.
- First, the Internet really has damaged the porn industry. There's outright piracy, then the studios themselves give some free content to "tube sites" in the hopes of obtaining paying customers. New entrants in the market provide competition as well -- technological progress allows very small-time players in other parts of the country to produce and distribute content easily. (Phoenix, and to a MUCH greater extent, South Florida). But the larger productions are still LA based, it seems. (More on this later). The classic write-up on the decline of the LA porn industry appeared in the Guardian three years ago:
http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2012/jun/05/how-internet-killed-porn
- Second, Measure B, requiring condoms to be used in porn production in LA. The industry fought this ballot initiative hard, but failed. It is now law. I've googled around about enforcement, which seems light. I haven't heard of any major busts. What I *think* is happening is blatant illegal production by the major studios -- i.e. they're shooting without condoms in LA in defiance of the law. But no one is saying anything about this, beyond the quietest whispers that occasionally leak into the press. It's an industry-wide omerta, for obvious reasons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measure_B
In a way, point one leads to point two -- measure B passed when the industry was declining already. Now these are just the facts. I can't make a broader cultural point about them.Replies: @Sunbeam, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @AnAnon
I go the the Griffith Park Observatory on occasion. I’m usually one of the few white guys there. Visitors there are mostly hispanic, and some asians, a few hipsters, usually packed.
The “guide” in the Observatory who walked groups of people around to explain things like the tesla coil was a fat Mexican chap, who delivered his shtick like Cheech Marin.
It was kind of funny, but didn’t seem like the information was delivered with the acuity, quality and style that it’s founders might have intended:
“Now you got mars over there, that’s the red planet! Then out there, past there, you got Jupiter, that big one! Jupiter is a giant planet! It’s bigger than my old girlfriend! In fact, it MIGHT be HER! That’s why I don’t look at it with a telescope. I’m afraid I could see her face!”
That was roughly his dissertation on our galaxy.
Anyway… Griffith Park Observatory used to make for an enjoyable relaxing evening up through the mid nineties.
Now it’s a GIANT shitshow.
It’s like it was roundly abandoned, and taken over by the groundskeepers.
This is actually a very old genre of NPR/Volvo-progressive op-ed (though the author is very softheaded even by the standard). He is trying to tie together a vague liberal-angst complaint about Dodger Stadium, Prop 13, Maserati drivers, etc. and lacks the mental necessities to perform analysis of the social lack-of-change; so of courses he grasps at “The Homeless.” It’s like your old friend being uncomfortable about seeing an ex so he starts going on about the restaurant being drafty. This is a reliable tell for a certain kind of timid suburban lib who doesn’t want to or maybe can’t form an argument. There was a great quote in a Mark Helprin column in the WSJ decades ago about how, whenever a campaign requires it or if power has changed hands Republican-ward, the “armies of the homeless, millions strong” will suddenly be rediscovered by the champagne-socialist media
We didn’t import the world’s poor; we created them.
We live in a society dominated by an economic system that by its very design impoverishes millions through no fault of their own. This facet of capitalism has been known for generations, and yet, we are still surprised when millions are cast aside and suffer.
Under our current system, people are given a value based on their marketable skills. Is it any surprise that many have no marketable skills? The weakest among us are cast aside because they have nothing of value to give. The truly sickening views are those of neoliberals on the right who blame the poor for the failings of an unjust system. As long as we perpetuate the dogma that markets are in any way moral their will be no solution to the mass poverty created by government inaction. It is not that markets or their outcomes are good or bad, morality doesn’t enter the picture. A market is a tool and like a hammer we can either use it for good or evil.
I think this is the time to start discussing not the wealth distribution in Cali but the Proposition 13 which is holding California back. May be once homeowners start paying taxes appropriate for their multimillion homes the state would have the money to help the poor.
But massive uncontrolled third world immigration is doing absolutely nothing to improve the lives of the indigenous American poor.
I guess the old time middle class should have paid more attention while their leaders were impoverishing them.
The weakest among us are cast aside because they have nothing of value to give.
Beyond risible. Never before in the history of the planet has so much been lavished on the "weakest among us", to the point of our detriment. But it is never enough, and it will never be enough.
You have an ideological axe to grind. I get that.
But what are the consequences to your world view if that statement is true: "because they have nothing of value to give."
Do a thought experiment. What does that mean exactly?
Even on this site you will find differences of opinion and in thinking. But virtually everyone here believes or has become convinced, despite misgiving and regret, that heredity plays a huge, perhaps totally dominant role in how people behave, what they are capable of athletically, and... intelligence.
So what does it mean for a welfare state if "they have nothing of value to give?" That's not a trivial thing to think about.
Now most likely you will ignore this post (or never see it). But tell me what this statement means? The implications that is.
What it tells me is that the American welfare state isn't going to last much longer. You might count dollars and productivity increases, and bemoan how the benefits of all this new technology are going to a very few. Or how much we waste on "defense" spending.
I wouldn't disagree with you on any of this. But how can you have a stable society if you have a substantial portion of it's people who are not capable of being of any use to this society? And not only that, but their progeny unto the 10th generation have no capacity to do so either? Barring the statistical oddball that emerges and is quickly shunted into being in the "mainstream" group? And with each generation that oddball becomes less and less likely, as the genes in question are removed from this breeding group?
You get a lot of apocalyptic imagery here and other places. Me, I don't see the apocalypse. I see a lovely third world country coming, one with the social structure of Brazil or maybe Mexico.
Heck we might have a new overclass of Chinese and Indians taking up the economic niche that used to be occupied by "Wasps." But in any case I see a rigidly stratified society, one with similarities to India's caste system coming.
And the groupings we currently call "race" are going to dovetail nicely with this.Replies: @Buffalo Joe
NEW homeowners do pay appropriate taxes on their multimillionaire homes, and those of us who bought long ago pay taxes appropriate to what were prudent purchases then. Otherwise you will get people who cannot afford to live in their homes--as was the case in 1979 when Prop 13 was passed.*
* Prop 13 rolled assessment back to 1975 and allowed 2%(plus bonded indebtedness) a year. So taxes are up 80% since then.
We live in a society dominated by an economic system that by its very design impoverishes millions through no fault of their own. This facet of capitalism has been known for generations, and yet, we are still surprised when millions are cast aside and suffer.
Under our current system, people are given a value based on their marketable skills. Is it any surprise that many have no marketable skills? The weakest among us are cast aside because they have nothing of value to give. The truly sickening views are those of neoliberals on the right who blame the poor for the failings of an unjust system. As long as we perpetuate the dogma that markets are in any way moral their will be no solution to the mass poverty created by government inaction. It is not that markets or their outcomes are good or bad, morality doesn't enter the picture. A market is a tool and like a hammer we can either use it for good or evil.
I think this is the time to start discussing not the wealth distribution in Cali but the Proposition 13 which is holding California back. May be once homeowners start paying taxes appropriate for their multimillion homes the state would have the money to help the poor.Replies: @Benjamin, @Anonymous, @bomag, @Sunbeam, @athEIst
You are a moron. Prop 13 is the only thing allowing people who are in the middle-class, now retired, to keep their homes. Going by what I see going on in Los Angeles real estate, “rich people” don’t tend to stay put. They move around, buying and selling properties multiple times, and their property tax is reset every time they do. I’ve seen high end properties bought 6 years ago, that are now priced double the original price. Whomever buys that property will have to pay the reset tax! Fine by me. Let the rich have their inbreed rapefest.
For the average person, Prop 13 allows long term homeowners–you know, people invested personally in a community–a way out of avoiding being taxed out of their retirement homes and into apartments.
We’ve seen what’s happened to this state WITH prop 13 enabled: Cold-hearted chaos. Imagine supercharging all the stupidity if our great state leaders could raise property taxes at their discretion.
NEVER vote for ANY new tax in the state of California, you tool. The state has plenty of money. We’re tossing over 10 billion state dollars a year to service illegal aliens. That’s all the proof you need that we’re swimming in money, and if anything, need REDUCED taxes to stave off the excessive spending.
I'm guessing you are a baby boomer with the whiny entitlement that the world must act in your favor attitude.Replies: @William BadWhite, @Benjamin
Here’s a bit of third-worldism in LA tonight: a summary execution right in the open on Sunset: http://abc7.com/news/woman-shot-killed-in-hollywood-with-no-apparent-motive/831009/
That’s another funeral you can expect Obama to miss. Considering it was a shotgun to the back of the head, you can also expect it to be closed-casket.
That's another funeral you can expect Obama to miss. Considering it was a shotgun to the back of the head, you can also expect it to be closed-casket.Replies: @Bert
I was a bit shocked to see that they openly identified the perp as a black male. Usually in such cases they try to hide that little detail.
Enough was enough. We felt that we had two options: (1) Buy a gun, or (2) leave. We left and moved the family to Oklahoma. It was one of the best decisions we ever made.Replies: @Jefferson, @Harry Baldwin
“The scenario was to cash out your aging “rancher” for a ridiculous sum of money and migrate to Nevada,”
Nevada huh, it used to be a red state at one time. So why did Nevada turn into a blue state? Is it because a lot of Liberal White Californians brought their blue state politics to Nevada. In addition to the increasing Hispanic population in Nevada. So a combination of the former and the latter can be blamed for Nevada turning to the dark side of politics.
I also suspect the influence of Vegas in Nevada in particular.
In VA and NC you probably are right.Replies: @midtown
I notice that the comments from the LAPD were courtesy of John Skaggs, the protagonist from “Ghettoside”.
We live in a society dominated by an economic system that by its very design impoverishes millions through no fault of their own. This facet of capitalism has been known for generations, and yet, we are still surprised when millions are cast aside and suffer.
Under our current system, people are given a value based on their marketable skills. Is it any surprise that many have no marketable skills? The weakest among us are cast aside because they have nothing of value to give. The truly sickening views are those of neoliberals on the right who blame the poor for the failings of an unjust system. As long as we perpetuate the dogma that markets are in any way moral their will be no solution to the mass poverty created by government inaction. It is not that markets or their outcomes are good or bad, morality doesn't enter the picture. A market is a tool and like a hammer we can either use it for good or evil.
I think this is the time to start discussing not the wealth distribution in Cali but the Proposition 13 which is holding California back. May be once homeowners start paying taxes appropriate for their multimillion homes the state would have the money to help the poor.Replies: @Benjamin, @Anonymous, @bomag, @Sunbeam, @athEIst
Yep.
But massive uncontrolled third world immigration is doing absolutely nothing to improve the lives of the indigenous American poor.
slightly OT, but the Greek government is running out of money, and apparently may resort to printing “California-style IOUs” – which Cal apparently did not so long ago. Don’t remember hearing about that.
http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/02/news/economy/California_IOUs/
Considering the vast, vast amount of ‘product’ that the Los Angeles porn industry is pumping through the world’s phone cables at any one moment, it’s little wonder that the ‘jizz bizz’ is regarded by many an ‘expert’ with their eye on the main chance as perhaps the biggest single industry, in terms of revenue at least, in the LA area.
As a non American, and definitely a non Californian, I believe that the industry is centered in the San Fernando Valley, a locale which in former times was associated with ‘Leave it to Beaver’,(no pun intended), type WASPy All-American Eisenhower era corn-fed wholesomeness, if not blandness.
The name ‘Chatsworth’, which to an Englishman conjures the august seat of the Dukes of Devonshire, seems to crop regularly in this context.
Anyhow, my point is that since the LA porn industry is so vast, so lucrative and so dominant, an outsider is curious as to whether ordinary workaday Angelinos with, of course, no personal connection to the dirty movie trade, innadvertantly ‘come across’, (definitely no pun intended!), either blue movie players, ‘technical staff’, accountants and other assorted milquetoast, locations, studios etc etc in the course of their day-to-day lives.
Surely, considering the magnitude of the industry, it must happen, just as surely as Hollywood must have intruded into the lives of Angelinos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjINHqQbfwU
You go a couple of miles in the wrong direct you end up in part of town that is bad. I used to do a lot of business in Pacomia/Arleta and North Hollywood - mostly rebuilding and selling salvaged autos to Mexicans. One place I had to visit was right next to a massive dump, god almighty did it stink. And whole place was filled with illegals and ruffians. Lots of Arabs and Russians running shops down there as well. The Arabs were generally the worst of the lot in terms of behavior. I know the Mexicans they deal with are going to one day settle scores with them. Overall Pacomia is a very dirty place. You don't want to be a pedestrian because the locals are mostly 3rd worlders who don't believe in stopping, so don't cross the street. And you do not go down there at night. I'm serious.
So far no C.H.U.D's. but they would come in handy dealing with the homeless.
Oh lets see, then there's Florance and Normandy that has that Escape from New York vibe going strong. 55 gallon trash drums placed on the sidewalk that were on fire in the middle of the day, store after store front boarded up, thugs glaring at you as you slowly drive the street in your Crown Vic. The women were equally rough. This was years ago, hopefully the Koreans have gentrified the joint.
Then there was this auto auction house down at Rosecrans and 110. Bad locale, lots of bad things happening at night. Very black. Just keep moving.
Oh then there's famous old land mark bridge used in a lot of films(like RepoMan - now that was a film) just South of Little Tokyo, well that place is now a dump filled with illegals. You keep on moving. Now Little Tokyo is nice, not as nice as it was over a decade ago before they stuffed those nasty high rises down there. Talk about urban blight and death traps rolled into one.
Been down to La Habra a few times. Bad place, I ended up guarding the pickup truck because of the local clientele while the boss was doing his thing. We didn't hang around. Mostly 3rd worlders.
Oh yeah then there's the Federal building on 1st street, it's near Santee Alley(knock-off alley). I am just surprised they don't sell Mexican hunchbacked dwarfs back there. They sell everything else. Definitely a 3rd world vibe.
Decent people don't live in San Fernando valley, they've moved to Simi Valley and beyond. The hey day of the San Fernando Valley was back in the 1980's when tech firms were all over the place. Good times. Then various things happened that closed down the tech firms.
I feel sorry for outsiders who come rolling in thinking that Los Angeles is just like they see in the movies. It isn't. Some places are nice but a lot of Los Angeles isn't nice and hasn't been for quite a while.Replies: @Chris, @MarkinLA
Decent people don’t live in San Fernando valley, they’ve moved to Simi Valley and beyond.
Steve, do you have anything to say about this?
As a non American, and definitely a non Californian, I believe that the industry is centered in the San Fernando Valley, a locale which in former times was associated with 'Leave it to Beaver',(no pun intended), type WASPy All-American Eisenhower era corn-fed wholesomeness, if not blandness.
The name 'Chatsworth', which to an Englishman conjures the august seat of the Dukes of Devonshire, seems to crop regularly in this context.
Anyhow, my point is that since the LA porn industry is so vast, so lucrative and so dominant, an outsider is curious as to whether ordinary workaday Angelinos with, of course, no personal connection to the dirty movie trade, innadvertantly 'come across', (definitely no pun intended!), either blue movie players, 'technical staff', accountants and other assorted milquetoast, locations, studios etc etc in the course of their day-to-day lives.
Surely, considering the magnitude of the industry, it must happen, just as surely as Hollywood must have intruded into the lives of Angelinos.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hrw-500, @International Jew, @Rob McX
No, I haven’t knowingly talked to anybody associated with the porn biz since the mid-1970s when the high school Spanish teacher got hauled off to jail for producing underage gay porn and a printer who was printing the high school newspaper for me got fired by his boss for printing up straight porn. But that was 1973-1976.
Yet another 'underground army of ghosts', just like the untold thousands of illegal immigrants infesting that city.
Curiously, their presence is know of. The trappings of their existence are everywhere. The evidential trail is legion. But, somehow, no one's ever actually seen one.
Shades of Salem 1690, or even the UFO craze of the '70s.
Nevada huh, it used to be a red state at one time. So why did Nevada turn into a blue state? Is it because a lot of Liberal White Californians brought their blue state politics to Nevada. In addition to the increasing Hispanic population in Nevada. So a combination of the former and the latter can be blamed for Nevada turning to the dark side of politics.Replies: @SFG, @Chase
Fleeing whites tend to be more Republican than average. Of course, they might still be more liberal than the area they’re moving to.
I also suspect the influence of Vegas in Nevada in particular.
In VA and NC you probably are right.
To add to the LA is a third world country train:
http://abc7.com/news/inglewood-man-found-decapitated-inside-apartment/793960/
Elderly blind man was found decapitated is his home last month. Head still missing.
A new life awaits you in the Off-World colonies. The chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity and adventure….
and you had nothing to do with it whatsoever. Nothing at all. You walked.
We live in a society dominated by an economic system that by its very design impoverishes millions through no fault of their own. This facet of capitalism has been known for generations, and yet, we are still surprised when millions are cast aside and suffer.
Under our current system, people are given a value based on their marketable skills. Is it any surprise that many have no marketable skills? The weakest among us are cast aside because they have nothing of value to give. The truly sickening views are those of neoliberals on the right who blame the poor for the failings of an unjust system. As long as we perpetuate the dogma that markets are in any way moral their will be no solution to the mass poverty created by government inaction. It is not that markets or their outcomes are good or bad, morality doesn't enter the picture. A market is a tool and like a hammer we can either use it for good or evil.
I think this is the time to start discussing not the wealth distribution in Cali but the Proposition 13 which is holding California back. May be once homeowners start paying taxes appropriate for their multimillion homes the state would have the money to help the poor.Replies: @Benjamin, @Anonymous, @bomag, @Sunbeam, @athEIst
We live in a society dominated by an economic system that by its very design impoverishes millions through no fault of their own.
I guess the old time middle class should have paid more attention while their leaders were impoverishing them.
The weakest among us are cast aside because they have nothing of value to give.
Beyond risible. Never before in the history of the planet has so much been lavished on the “weakest among us”, to the point of our detriment. But it is never enough, and it will never be enough.
Good Lord!
Yet another ‘underground army of ghosts’, just like the untold thousands of illegal immigrants infesting that city.
Curiously, their presence is know of. The trappings of their existence are everywhere. The evidential trail is legion. But, somehow, no one’s ever actually seen one.
Shades of Salem 1690, or even the UFO craze of the ’70s.
Pub story: a youngish chap had job offers in Miami, Shanghai and Hong Kong. “I won’t work in the Third World” said he “so it’s Hong Kong for me”.
It finally occurred to me that Jill Leovy is trying to launch Detective Skaggs into being played by Brad Pitt in a movie.
As a non American, and definitely a non Californian, I believe that the industry is centered in the San Fernando Valley, a locale which in former times was associated with 'Leave it to Beaver',(no pun intended), type WASPy All-American Eisenhower era corn-fed wholesomeness, if not blandness.
The name 'Chatsworth', which to an Englishman conjures the august seat of the Dukes of Devonshire, seems to crop regularly in this context.
Anyhow, my point is that since the LA porn industry is so vast, so lucrative and so dominant, an outsider is curious as to whether ordinary workaday Angelinos with, of course, no personal connection to the dirty movie trade, innadvertantly 'come across', (definitely no pun intended!), either blue movie players, 'technical staff', accountants and other assorted milquetoast, locations, studios etc etc in the course of their day-to-day lives.
Surely, considering the magnitude of the industry, it must happen, just as surely as Hollywood must have intruded into the lives of Angelinos.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hrw-500, @International Jew, @Rob McX
The internet and some californian new regulations caused a “Porn-apocalypse” in LA as described in this video of Charlie LeDuff.
Nevada huh, it used to be a red state at one time. So why did Nevada turn into a blue state? Is it because a lot of Liberal White Californians brought their blue state politics to Nevada. In addition to the increasing Hispanic population in Nevada. So a combination of the former and the latter can be blamed for Nevada turning to the dark side of politics.Replies: @SFG, @Chase
Ditto Colorado.
“We imported millions of poor Turd Worlders and now he complains that L.A. has million of poor First Worlders.”
Most Americans do not look at immigration from “first world” or “third world” perspectives. Rather, they look at people. I suppose we ought to blame the Christian organizations from trying to save souls and the business owners who seek to earn profits.
“The Arabs were generally the worst of the lot in terms of behavior.”
[Laughs] actually, Arab store owners are among the most friendliest.
“I know the Mexicans they deal with are going to one day settle scores with them.”
I’m sure we will all read about it in the newspaper.
“I bet the Los Angeles metropolitan area looked a lot less 3rd world in 1955 when Disneyland was inaugurated.”
Well, I bet this region looked a lot less European in the 1500, 1600, and 1700’s when Native Americans roamed here.
No doubt it did. Those were the days. A peaceful, bucolic, caring existence.
Women made the clothes and cleaned them, bore the children and reared them, raised the crops and made the food, stood silent while men acted, decided and implemented their decisions.
Men who waged perpetual war, enslaved the defeated, hunted and killed anything that moved, lived as victors and kings; and had their way with the women - whereever, whenever, whatever, however, whyever.
A time of famine, pre-Greek medicine, honor-killings, revenge-killings, accidental-killings, murder-on-a-whim killings. A testimony to the ‘nature-red-in-tooth-and-claw’ adage through relentless, bloody-handed vicious violence. And death visited upon you from an hundred other causes.
No need to care about children, because most won’t see their first birthday. The survivors are lucky to get to age seven. But those that live to adulthood, well they get to enjoy all the wonderful benefits of the life described above.
Good times.Replies: @Buffalo Joe
As a non American, and definitely a non Californian, I believe that the industry is centered in the San Fernando Valley, a locale which in former times was associated with 'Leave it to Beaver',(no pun intended), type WASPy All-American Eisenhower era corn-fed wholesomeness, if not blandness.
The name 'Chatsworth', which to an Englishman conjures the august seat of the Dukes of Devonshire, seems to crop regularly in this context.
Anyhow, my point is that since the LA porn industry is so vast, so lucrative and so dominant, an outsider is curious as to whether ordinary workaday Angelinos with, of course, no personal connection to the dirty movie trade, innadvertantly 'come across', (definitely no pun intended!), either blue movie players, 'technical staff', accountants and other assorted milquetoast, locations, studios etc etc in the course of their day-to-day lives.
Surely, considering the magnitude of the industry, it must happen, just as surely as Hollywood must have intruded into the lives of Angelinos.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hrw-500, @International Jew, @Rob McX
Yeah, definitely. I stayed at a motel once that had furniture just like they use in blue movies. And at supermarket checkout lines I see people all the time that could easily be porn stars and porn talent scouts. Porn-capable computers, in turn, are readily available at places like Walmart and Target or, for people who want to be more discreet, by mail order (shipped in plain brown boxes).
My real beef with this article is that like so many other articles about homelessness it's written as if the homeless are totally without agency. When it comes to choosing where to live, good weather is a much more important factor for the homeless than for the homeful. People still come to California to follow their dreams, even if it's a modest dream of not being freezing cold or melting hot all the time. The rate of homelessness just isn't a good measure of the moral fabric of a city.Replies: @Harry Baldwin
People still come to California to follow their dreams, even if it’s a modest dream of not being freezing cold or melting hot all the time. The rate of homelessness just isn’t a good measure of the moral fabric of a city.
The homeless are also attracted to cities with liberal social policies. Homeless illegal aliens like the San Francisco murderer are also fond of sanctuary cities.
The most popular comments on that Times story are wall-to-wall Bernie Sanders fans. Between that, and the article itself, it’s clear that no matter how bad things get, the left will never give us the satisfaction of admitting they were ever wrong about immigration.
Meanwhile, NPR ran a piece this morning about vote-buying in south Texas. Straight-up, right out of Mexico. Everybody’s Mexican, from the voters to the vote-wranglers-for-hire, to the candidates to the local authorities who do nothing about it. The only push-back comes from the Democratic candidate who lost.
Enough was enough. We felt that we had two options: (1) Buy a gun, or (2) leave. We left and moved the family to Oklahoma. It was one of the best decisions we ever made.Replies: @Jefferson, @Harry Baldwin
We felt that we had two options: (1) Buy a gun, or (2) leave. We left and moved the family to Oklahoma.
Why not do both?
As a non American, and definitely a non Californian, I believe that the industry is centered in the San Fernando Valley, a locale which in former times was associated with 'Leave it to Beaver',(no pun intended), type WASPy All-American Eisenhower era corn-fed wholesomeness, if not blandness.
The name 'Chatsworth', which to an Englishman conjures the august seat of the Dukes of Devonshire, seems to crop regularly in this context.
Anyhow, my point is that since the LA porn industry is so vast, so lucrative and so dominant, an outsider is curious as to whether ordinary workaday Angelinos with, of course, no personal connection to the dirty movie trade, innadvertantly 'come across', (definitely no pun intended!), either blue movie players, 'technical staff', accountants and other assorted milquetoast, locations, studios etc etc in the course of their day-to-day lives.
Surely, considering the magnitude of the industry, it must happen, just as surely as Hollywood must have intruded into the lives of Angelinos.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hrw-500, @International Jew, @Rob McX
I thought the porn industry was dead, or moribund? I know that sites featuring free home-made porn are proliferating. There can’t be a huge difference between that and the professional stuff.
Adler Planetarium in Chicago is a huge joke. It seems that it was designed for sub 90 IQs and conveys as much information as you would find on the underside of a Lunchables box.
Unfortunately, a lot of museums and similar institutions, have re-tooled their presentations to be informative primarily to children under ten. And not overly bright children, either. I think this has less to do with Diversity (crosses self), and more to do with that really annoying attitude, where everything simply MUST be "child-centered." When I was a kid in the 1970s, I grew up in an adults' world. They switched it over to being a kids' world, just a few years after I was too old to benefit from the change ie., in the late 1980s. At least, that's how it seems to me. The Dictatorship of Child-Centeredness, may have come relatively sooner or later, in places other than the "Silicon Valley"-area, where I spent my formative years.
You’d need to Ctl+F for other words in European papers. They’re backing away from the word ‘immigration’ and talking of ‘migration’ and, when they need to be more specific, ‘in-migration’.
wren says:
July 7, 2015 at 1:33 am GMT • 200 Words
There are a few articles and reports that I can easily find.
“Congressman Steve King (R-IA) estimates that illegal alien drunk drivers kill 13 Americans every day — that’s a death toll of 4,745 per year.”
http://www.constitutionparty.com/illegal-alien-crime-and-violence-by-the-numbers-were-all-victims/
Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa.”
http://www.wnd.com/2006/11/39031/#cjEhV0wE8KWZZZ5B.99
According to Heather McDonald of the Manhattan Institute, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.
http://www.wnd.com/2006/09/38134/
In 2008 California spent about a billion dollars to keep 27,000 illegal aliens in prison. Nine percent of them were there for homicide, which seems to add up to about 2,400 homicides, although these could have been spread over several years. In New York 27% of the illegals in prison were there for homicide.
Please double check my quick analysis of the GAO’s numbers here:
http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-11-187
http://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf
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July 7, 2015 at 1:44 am GMT
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BTW, when looking at the GAO’s statistics on alien criminal activity, note that SCAAP stands for “State Criminal Alien Assistance Program.”
It seems to be a kind of Obamacare for the states’ expenses for prison expenses for housing criminal aliens, illegal and otherwise.
It is run by the DOJ.
https://www.bja.gov/ProgramDetails.aspx?Program_ID=86Replies: @unit472, @Hail
The drunken illegal alien is a terrible problem in this area ( Sarasota, Fl). Its not just that they are drunk , these little 5 foot tall mestizos are falling down drunk. Florida law ups the charge if your blood alcohol is over .15 but these guys are often twice that. Doesn’t seem to matter though because they just keep getting arrested over and over until… the charge is vehicular homicide or grave bodily injury.
I thought convicted felons were to be deported and two DUI’s in five years is a felony in Florida so why do I see some tomato picker getting his third or fourth DUI?
You go a couple of miles in the wrong direct you end up in part of town that is bad. I used to do a lot of business in Pacomia/Arleta and North Hollywood - mostly rebuilding and selling salvaged autos to Mexicans. One place I had to visit was right next to a massive dump, god almighty did it stink. And whole place was filled with illegals and ruffians. Lots of Arabs and Russians running shops down there as well. The Arabs were generally the worst of the lot in terms of behavior. I know the Mexicans they deal with are going to one day settle scores with them. Overall Pacomia is a very dirty place. You don't want to be a pedestrian because the locals are mostly 3rd worlders who don't believe in stopping, so don't cross the street. And you do not go down there at night. I'm serious.
So far no C.H.U.D's. but they would come in handy dealing with the homeless.
Oh lets see, then there's Florance and Normandy that has that Escape from New York vibe going strong. 55 gallon trash drums placed on the sidewalk that were on fire in the middle of the day, store after store front boarded up, thugs glaring at you as you slowly drive the street in your Crown Vic. The women were equally rough. This was years ago, hopefully the Koreans have gentrified the joint.
Then there was this auto auction house down at Rosecrans and 110. Bad locale, lots of bad things happening at night. Very black. Just keep moving.
Oh then there's famous old land mark bridge used in a lot of films(like RepoMan - now that was a film) just South of Little Tokyo, well that place is now a dump filled with illegals. You keep on moving. Now Little Tokyo is nice, not as nice as it was over a decade ago before they stuffed those nasty high rises down there. Talk about urban blight and death traps rolled into one.
Been down to La Habra a few times. Bad place, I ended up guarding the pickup truck because of the local clientele while the boss was doing his thing. We didn't hang around. Mostly 3rd worlders.
Oh yeah then there's the Federal building on 1st street, it's near Santee Alley(knock-off alley). I am just surprised they don't sell Mexican hunchbacked dwarfs back there. They sell everything else. Definitely a 3rd world vibe.
Decent people don't live in San Fernando valley, they've moved to Simi Valley and beyond. The hey day of the San Fernando Valley was back in the 1980's when tech firms were all over the place. Good times. Then various things happened that closed down the tech firms.
I feel sorry for outsiders who come rolling in thinking that Los Angeles is just like they see in the movies. It isn't. Some places are nice but a lot of Los Angeles isn't nice and hasn't been for quite a while.Replies: @Chris, @MarkinLA
I think the absolute worst transition has to be Whittier. Go to any gang web site and see the number of gangs and gang activity around Whittier. Back in the day the place was about 20% Mexicans and their number were small enough that any “gang” was something of a joke except for maybe selling some weed. All the Mexicans in Whittier would best be described as Oreos although they did have some strain of Mexican “pride” running through them
Porn was centered in the San Fernando Valley. There were a lot of free-lance people who worked low-budget films and commercials who could do the technical work like lighting and sound. There are a lot of big houses that can be rented cheaply.
So because you bought back when prices were dirt cheap I have to pay your taxes for you? Not only do you expect me to pay huge sums for a normal house but I need to keep the roads fixed for you too?
I’m guessing you are a baby boomer with the whiny entitlement that the world must act in your favor attitude.
I’m guessing you are a baby boomer with the whiny entitlement that the world must act in your favor attitude."
You sir are a dunce.
It is amusing to see somebody whining that somebody else isn't paying more in taxes using the term "whiny entitlement". The people "benefiting" from Prop 13 aren't asking for other people's money (as are you). They simply want to not have their taxes ratcheted up constantly.
The people "benefiting" from Prop 13 are people who by definition have been in their homes since before they appreciated significantly. That means they're likely to be people whose kids are finished with school, and gone. Why should they see their property taxes endlessly raised because their newer neighbors are willing to pay more for their homes? These people still pay income taxes and sales taxes and gas taxes.
Find some other way to pay for your ridiculous transfer schemes.
“Porn capable computers”?! I have no words…
Not really, no.
The ignorance here about the LA porn industry here surprises me. iSteve readers must be exemplars of moral purity, or at least satisfy their lusts with other people!
Two points.
– First, the Internet really has damaged the porn industry. There’s outright piracy, then the studios themselves give some free content to “tube sites” in the hopes of obtaining paying customers. New entrants in the market provide competition as well — technological progress allows very small-time players in other parts of the country to produce and distribute content easily. (Phoenix, and to a MUCH greater extent, South Florida). But the larger productions are still LA based, it seems. (More on this later). The classic write-up on the decline of the LA porn industry appeared in the Guardian three years ago:
http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2012/jun/05/how-internet-killed-porn
– Second, Measure B, requiring condoms to be used in porn production in LA. The industry fought this ballot initiative hard, but failed. It is now law. I’ve googled around about enforcement, which seems light. I haven’t heard of any major busts. What I *think* is happening is blatant illegal production by the major studios — i.e. they’re shooting without condoms in LA in defiance of the law. But no one is saying anything about this, beyond the quietest whispers that occasionally leak into the press. It’s an industry-wide omerta, for obvious reasons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measure_B
In a way, point one leads to point two — measure B passed when the industry was declining already. Now these are just the facts. I can’t make a broader cultural point about them.
That's crazy. By the very nature of the medium, don't they document whether they used a condom or not?
As a 'public health measure', the city of Los Angeles mandated the donning of 'male prophylaxis' during 'productions'.
Needless to say, big porn was not best pleased and threatened, as is big business's wont, to pull out (ho ho) of LA and relocate to a non-rubber insulated elsewhere - taking, of course, a rather hefty tax base with it.
Apparently, Miami, Florida was or is the favored alternative.
According to one wag, the LA city council move was 'short sighted' and threatened, he claimed, 'to blast the industry into condom-come'.
In a memorable scene, Louis Theroux was located in a cavernous warehouse in Chats worth stacked from floor to ceiling with literally thousands of pornographic vhs cassettes.
This was in pre internet days.
This caused Theroux to exclaim in an excitable English accent "This is a cathedral of pornography!"
Why he said 'cathedral' rather than 'temple' or 'castle' or any other behemoth invoking term, I do not know. But I laughed out loud at his powers of expression and observation.
"Conclusion: Mexican immigrants are more deadly than the fully armed and supplied Viet Cong and PAV combined." - no, you have to do it per-capita. Still, the per-capita death rate of Americans due to illegals should be zero.
We live in a society dominated by an economic system that by its very design impoverishes millions through no fault of their own. This facet of capitalism has been known for generations, and yet, we are still surprised when millions are cast aside and suffer.
Under our current system, people are given a value based on their marketable skills. Is it any surprise that many have no marketable skills? The weakest among us are cast aside because they have nothing of value to give. The truly sickening views are those of neoliberals on the right who blame the poor for the failings of an unjust system. As long as we perpetuate the dogma that markets are in any way moral their will be no solution to the mass poverty created by government inaction. It is not that markets or their outcomes are good or bad, morality doesn't enter the picture. A market is a tool and like a hammer we can either use it for good or evil.
I think this is the time to start discussing not the wealth distribution in Cali but the Proposition 13 which is holding California back. May be once homeowners start paying taxes appropriate for their multimillion homes the state would have the money to help the poor.Replies: @Benjamin, @Anonymous, @bomag, @Sunbeam, @athEIst
“Is it any surprise that many have no marketable skills? The weakest among us are cast aside because they have nothing of value to give. ”
You have an ideological axe to grind. I get that.
But what are the consequences to your world view if that statement is true: “because they have nothing of value to give.”
Do a thought experiment. What does that mean exactly?
Even on this site you will find differences of opinion and in thinking. But virtually everyone here believes or has become convinced, despite misgiving and regret, that heredity plays a huge, perhaps totally dominant role in how people behave, what they are capable of athletically, and… intelligence.
So what does it mean for a welfare state if “they have nothing of value to give?” That’s not a trivial thing to think about.
Now most likely you will ignore this post (or never see it). But tell me what this statement means? The implications that is.
What it tells me is that the American welfare state isn’t going to last much longer. You might count dollars and productivity increases, and bemoan how the benefits of all this new technology are going to a very few. Or how much we waste on “defense” spending.
I wouldn’t disagree with you on any of this. But how can you have a stable society if you have a substantial portion of it’s people who are not capable of being of any use to this society? And not only that, but their progeny unto the 10th generation have no capacity to do so either? Barring the statistical oddball that emerges and is quickly shunted into being in the “mainstream” group? And with each generation that oddball becomes less and less likely, as the genes in question are removed from this breeding group?
You get a lot of apocalyptic imagery here and other places. Me, I don’t see the apocalypse. I see a lovely third world country coming, one with the social structure of Brazil or maybe Mexico.
Heck we might have a new overclass of Chinese and Indians taking up the economic niche that used to be occupied by “Wasps.” But in any case I see a rigidly stratified society, one with similarities to India’s caste system coming.
And the groupings we currently call “race” are going to dovetail nicely with this.
The ignorance here about the LA porn industry here surprises me. iSteve readers must be exemplars of moral purity, or at least satisfy their lusts with other people!
Two points.
- First, the Internet really has damaged the porn industry. There's outright piracy, then the studios themselves give some free content to "tube sites" in the hopes of obtaining paying customers. New entrants in the market provide competition as well -- technological progress allows very small-time players in other parts of the country to produce and distribute content easily. (Phoenix, and to a MUCH greater extent, South Florida). But the larger productions are still LA based, it seems. (More on this later). The classic write-up on the decline of the LA porn industry appeared in the Guardian three years ago:
http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2012/jun/05/how-internet-killed-porn
- Second, Measure B, requiring condoms to be used in porn production in LA. The industry fought this ballot initiative hard, but failed. It is now law. I've googled around about enforcement, which seems light. I haven't heard of any major busts. What I *think* is happening is blatant illegal production by the major studios -- i.e. they're shooting without condoms in LA in defiance of the law. But no one is saying anything about this, beyond the quietest whispers that occasionally leak into the press. It's an industry-wide omerta, for obvious reasons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measure_B
In a way, point one leads to point two -- measure B passed when the industry was declining already. Now these are just the facts. I can't make a broader cultural point about them.Replies: @Sunbeam, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @AnAnon
” I’ve googled around about enforcement, which seems light.”
That’s crazy. By the very nature of the medium, don’t they document whether they used a condom or not?
wren says:
July 7, 2015 at 1:33 am GMT • 200 Words
There are a few articles and reports that I can easily find.
“Congressman Steve King (R-IA) estimates that illegal alien drunk drivers kill 13 Americans every day — that’s a death toll of 4,745 per year.”
http://www.constitutionparty.com/illegal-alien-crime-and-violence-by-the-numbers-were-all-victims/
Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa.”
http://www.wnd.com/2006/11/39031/#cjEhV0wE8KWZZZ5B.99
According to Heather McDonald of the Manhattan Institute, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.
http://www.wnd.com/2006/09/38134/
In 2008 California spent about a billion dollars to keep 27,000 illegal aliens in prison. Nine percent of them were there for homicide, which seems to add up to about 2,400 homicides, although these could have been spread over several years. In New York 27% of the illegals in prison were there for homicide.
Please double check my quick analysis of the GAO’s numbers here:
http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-11-187
http://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf
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BTW, when looking at the GAO’s statistics on alien criminal activity, note that SCAAP stands for “State Criminal Alien Assistance Program.”
It seems to be a kind of Obamacare for the states’ expenses for prison expenses for housing criminal aliens, illegal and otherwise.
It is run by the DOJ.
https://www.bja.gov/ProgramDetails.aspx?Program_ID=86Replies: @unit472, @Hail
There’ve been 35,000-45,000 traffic deaths in the USA every year in recent decades, with the lowest being 32,500 in 2011 (the lowest level since the 1940s [data]).
40% of U.S. traffic deaths are due to drunk driving, which means 14,000-18,000 drunk driving related deaths per year.
If Rep. King’s statement is correct, illegals (who form about 5% of the U.S. population) may have been responsible for as many as one-third of all deaths due to drunk driving in recent decades.
Is this plausible?
Here is a GAO study on criminal alien crime. Perhaps there is something in there. The GAO is credible.
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11187.pdf
Ironically enough, Whittier birthed the old wiley jowlhound himself, Richard Nixon.
I wonder what Walt Disney would think of the Los Angeles metropolitan area today if he was still alive.Replies: @JimB
If Walt Disney were alive today he would be hiring illegal aliens and Hispandering, too. Last time I took my kids to Disneyland, Mexicans were in the clear majority. The whole place looks seriously down at the heels, like Six Flags in Vallejo. This explains why most upscale parents take their kids to Disney-world, which has become the separate but unequal accommodations for white Disney fans.
The ignorance here about the LA porn industry here surprises me. iSteve readers must be exemplars of moral purity, or at least satisfy their lusts with other people!
Two points.
- First, the Internet really has damaged the porn industry. There's outright piracy, then the studios themselves give some free content to "tube sites" in the hopes of obtaining paying customers. New entrants in the market provide competition as well -- technological progress allows very small-time players in other parts of the country to produce and distribute content easily. (Phoenix, and to a MUCH greater extent, South Florida). But the larger productions are still LA based, it seems. (More on this later). The classic write-up on the decline of the LA porn industry appeared in the Guardian three years ago:
http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2012/jun/05/how-internet-killed-porn
- Second, Measure B, requiring condoms to be used in porn production in LA. The industry fought this ballot initiative hard, but failed. It is now law. I've googled around about enforcement, which seems light. I haven't heard of any major busts. What I *think* is happening is blatant illegal production by the major studios -- i.e. they're shooting without condoms in LA in defiance of the law. But no one is saying anything about this, beyond the quietest whispers that occasionally leak into the press. It's an industry-wide omerta, for obvious reasons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measure_B
In a way, point one leads to point two -- measure B passed when the industry was declining already. Now these are just the facts. I can't make a broader cultural point about them.Replies: @Sunbeam, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @AnAnon
Yes.
As a ‘public health measure’, the city of Los Angeles mandated the donning of ‘male prophylaxis’ during ‘productions’.
Needless to say, big porn was not best pleased and threatened, as is big business’s wont, to pull out (ho ho) of LA and relocate to a non-rubber insulated elsewhere – taking, of course, a rather hefty tax base with it.
Apparently, Miami, Florida was or is the favored alternative.
According to one wag, the LA city council move was ‘short sighted’ and threatened, he claimed, ‘to blast the industry into condom-come’.
I also suspect the influence of Vegas in Nevada in particular.
In VA and NC you probably are right.Replies: @midtown
Virginia is a purple state solely because of the monstrous federal presence in northern Virginia. Cut down on the size of government and bring Virginia solidly back in the R column.
The ignorance here about the LA porn industry here surprises me. iSteve readers must be exemplars of moral purity, or at least satisfy their lusts with other people!
Two points.
- First, the Internet really has damaged the porn industry. There's outright piracy, then the studios themselves give some free content to "tube sites" in the hopes of obtaining paying customers. New entrants in the market provide competition as well -- technological progress allows very small-time players in other parts of the country to produce and distribute content easily. (Phoenix, and to a MUCH greater extent, South Florida). But the larger productions are still LA based, it seems. (More on this later). The classic write-up on the decline of the LA porn industry appeared in the Guardian three years ago:
http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2012/jun/05/how-internet-killed-porn
- Second, Measure B, requiring condoms to be used in porn production in LA. The industry fought this ballot initiative hard, but failed. It is now law. I've googled around about enforcement, which seems light. I haven't heard of any major busts. What I *think* is happening is blatant illegal production by the major studios -- i.e. they're shooting without condoms in LA in defiance of the law. But no one is saying anything about this, beyond the quietest whispers that occasionally leak into the press. It's an industry-wide omerta, for obvious reasons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measure_B
In a way, point one leads to point two -- measure B passed when the industry was declining already. Now these are just the facts. I can't make a broader cultural point about them.Replies: @Sunbeam, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @AnAnon
I remember the first Louis Theroux ‘porn documentary’ broadcast by the BBC back in the mid 90s.
In a memorable scene, Louis Theroux was located in a cavernous warehouse in Chats worth stacked from floor to ceiling with literally thousands of pornographic vhs cassettes.
This was in pre internet days.
This caused Theroux to exclaim in an excitable English accent “This is a cathedral of pornography!”
Why he said ‘cathedral’ rather than ‘temple’ or ‘castle’ or any other behemoth invoking term, I do not know. But I laughed out loud at his powers of expression and observation.
I thought convicted felons were to be deported and two DUI's in five years is a felony in Florida so why do I see some tomato picker getting his third or fourth DUI?Replies: @Pat Gilligan, @JSM
Like Boston talk show host Howie Carr always says, “If I get into trouble I don’t want special treatment, I just want to be treated like an illegal alien.”
Since we’re talking about a decade here, 50,000 Americans were killed by illegal alien drunk drivers in about a time span equal to the Vietnam war. Which so happens to be the number of American serviceman killed in the Vietnam war. Add in the fact that probably just as many Americans were killed by sober illegal and legal Mexican drivers just being stupid, and you can double that number to 100,000. Start adding in murders and who knows where this number goes. Mexicans commit a lot of random abductions and murders that never get solved by the police.
Conclusion: Mexican immigrants are more deadly than the fully armed and supplied Viet Cong and PAV combined.
I thought convicted felons were to be deported and two DUI's in five years is a felony in Florida so why do I see some tomato picker getting his third or fourth DUI?Replies: @Pat Gilligan, @JSM
What is it about drunk driving? Even when you’re falling-down drunk, a couple hours’ nap in your car will make you sober enough to drive. It ain’t like in SoCal they will freeze to death spending a few hours in the wee hours snoozing in the backseat. Why do people drive drunk? Serious question.
The ignorance here about the LA porn industry here surprises me. iSteve readers must be exemplars of moral purity, or at least satisfy their lusts with other people!
Two points.
- First, the Internet really has damaged the porn industry. There's outright piracy, then the studios themselves give some free content to "tube sites" in the hopes of obtaining paying customers. New entrants in the market provide competition as well -- technological progress allows very small-time players in other parts of the country to produce and distribute content easily. (Phoenix, and to a MUCH greater extent, South Florida). But the larger productions are still LA based, it seems. (More on this later). The classic write-up on the decline of the LA porn industry appeared in the Guardian three years ago:
http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2012/jun/05/how-internet-killed-porn
- Second, Measure B, requiring condoms to be used in porn production in LA. The industry fought this ballot initiative hard, but failed. It is now law. I've googled around about enforcement, which seems light. I haven't heard of any major busts. What I *think* is happening is blatant illegal production by the major studios -- i.e. they're shooting without condoms in LA in defiance of the law. But no one is saying anything about this, beyond the quietest whispers that occasionally leak into the press. It's an industry-wide omerta, for obvious reasons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measure_B
In a way, point one leads to point two -- measure B passed when the industry was declining already. Now these are just the facts. I can't make a broader cultural point about them.Replies: @Sunbeam, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @AnAnon
porn is a service industry, and like the rest of the sector it is oversaturated, and has fewer customers as a result of US policy to depress wages and sacrifice its manufacturing.
“Conclusion: Mexican immigrants are more deadly than the fully armed and supplied Viet Cong and PAV combined.” – no, you have to do it per-capita. Still, the per-capita death rate of Americans due to illegals should be zero.
Sitting in your car drunk establishes enough intent to get you arrested and likely convicted.
Not if you're sitting in the passenger's seat. Which is more comfortable anyway, due to the absence of a steering wheel, or foot pedals.
Isn’t it ironic that we have this scourge of drunk-driving illegals thanks to a political dynasty that also liked to get drunk, and drive. Namely, the Kennedys. A related joke, why does Ted Kennedy’s boat have a glass bottom? So he can see his former girlfriends.
The Illegal, Nicolas Guaman, was loaded, open containers in the truck, an 8-YEAR OLD KID in the truck with him, and he ran a stop sign, hitting a 23-year old kid on a motorcycle. He continued down the street with the poor kid jammed under the truck screaming, witnesses running along side yelling for him to stop. He finally stopped about 1/4 mile late, then proceeded to back up over his victim.
Sounds like it meets the standard for vehicular homicide to me.
I noticed that too the last time I gave Michael Eisner a chance to vacuum out my wallet. Maintenance and cleanliness standards had slipped….don’t know if it was Hispanic related…..more likely somebody needed the numbers to work just prior to executive bonus issuance.
The illegals are not in the USA because of the 1965 law (effective summer 1968) as that dealt with legal immigration. Rather it’s because of lack of will to round up and deport illegals from the 1970s to the present.
The internet is awash with free porn, I really don’t get why anyone would pay for it.
Passing out the HIV:
http://www.laweekly.com/news/porn-star-transmits-hiv-on-set-california-officials-say-5314217
Too drunk to drive? Park somewhere legal, and then place your keys out of reach. In reach = DUI.
I watch lots of porn and pay very close attention to the genitals of the male. I can say that the male actors never use protection.
High definition helps tremendously with this task.
http://www.laweekly.com/news/porn-star-transmits-hiv-on-set-california-officials-say-5314217 Too drunk to drive? Park somewhere legal, and then place your keys out of reach. In reach = DUI.Replies: @Rob McX
That’s what I was thinking. Also, the free stuff has the added advantage of not leaving a credit card trail. But I suppose some guys log on to a free site and an ad for some juicy stuff that you have to pay for comes on and they say “yeah, I want some of that”.
Jose don’t surf.
Yeah, well, he may have fallen into poverty subsequent to his arrival there, which may well have been decades ago. He might have had a good, blue collar job, back in the day. But now he’s been thrown on the scrap heap. Its certainly possible he was ALWAYS some sort of bum, but the fact he’s located in Hawaii, suggests other possibilities.
I'm guessing you are a baby boomer with the whiny entitlement that the world must act in your favor attitude.Replies: @William BadWhite, @Benjamin
“So because you bought back when prices were dirt cheap I have to pay your taxes for you? Not only do you expect me to pay huge sums for a normal house but I need to keep the roads fixed for you too?
I’m guessing you are a baby boomer with the whiny entitlement that the world must act in your favor attitude.”
You sir are a dunce.
It is amusing to see somebody whining that somebody else isn’t paying more in taxes using the term “whiny entitlement”. The people “benefiting” from Prop 13 aren’t asking for other people’s money (as are you). They simply want to not have their taxes ratcheted up constantly.
The people “benefiting” from Prop 13 are people who by definition have been in their homes since before they appreciated significantly. That means they’re likely to be people whose kids are finished with school, and gone. Why should they see their property taxes endlessly raised because their newer neighbors are willing to pay more for their homes? These people still pay income taxes and sales taxes and gas taxes.
Find some other way to pay for your ridiculous transfer schemes.
“Adler Planetarium in Chicago is a huge joke. It seems that it was designed for sub 90 IQs and conveys as much information as you would find on the underside of a Lunchables box.”
Unfortunately, a lot of museums and similar institutions, have re-tooled their presentations to be informative primarily to children under ten. And not overly bright children, either. I think this has less to do with Diversity (crosses self), and more to do with that really annoying attitude, where everything simply MUST be “child-centered.” When I was a kid in the 1970s, I grew up in an adults’ world. They switched it over to being a kids’ world, just a few years after I was too old to benefit from the change ie., in the late 1980s. At least, that’s how it seems to me. The Dictatorship of Child-Centeredness, may have come relatively sooner or later, in places other than the “Silicon Valley”-area, where I spent my formative years.
Can anyone point me to a planetarium run by blonde guides? I really want to learn serious astronomy.
“Sitting in your car drunk establishes enough intent to get you arrested and likely convicted.”
Not if you’re sitting in the passenger’s seat. Which is more comfortable anyway, due to the absence of a steering wheel, or foot pedals.
the 1965 law created the social networks and support base via legal immigration that has made illegal immigration possible. much less enforcement would be required without that infrastructure.
Yeah, I wasn’t referring to the 1965 law specifically, which was a mixed bag IMO (mind you, it did allow a lot of good quality of immigrants in, e.g., Koreans). I was referring to the massive expansion of the refugee programs in the late 1970s, opening up massive loopholes, resettlement industry, chain migation, and illegal immigration. Ted Kennedy was a big part of this.
As people have been saying for years importing millions of low skilled immigrants literally cannot increase prosperity; it can only decrease it.
It does however make the 1% richer and that’s why it happened despite all logic – they paid the media and politicians to lie for them.
The thing is though even that doesn’t work long term because importing millions of people who are individually all below the mean productivity level is always going to be deflationary in the long term and so will always end in economic disaster.
Although the 1% who destroyed California will have enough loot to move somewhere else when it goes down.
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White liberals (with kids) are just as prone to white flight as republicans they’re just more hypocritical about it so it wouldn’t surprise me if liberal white flighters from California felt the need to over compensate when they got to Omaha.
High-skilled citizens want low-skilled immigrants.
Those in the middle are in the shit can.
You have an ideological axe to grind. I get that.
But what are the consequences to your world view if that statement is true: "because they have nothing of value to give."
Do a thought experiment. What does that mean exactly?
Even on this site you will find differences of opinion and in thinking. But virtually everyone here believes or has become convinced, despite misgiving and regret, that heredity plays a huge, perhaps totally dominant role in how people behave, what they are capable of athletically, and... intelligence.
So what does it mean for a welfare state if "they have nothing of value to give?" That's not a trivial thing to think about.
Now most likely you will ignore this post (or never see it). But tell me what this statement means? The implications that is.
What it tells me is that the American welfare state isn't going to last much longer. You might count dollars and productivity increases, and bemoan how the benefits of all this new technology are going to a very few. Or how much we waste on "defense" spending.
I wouldn't disagree with you on any of this. But how can you have a stable society if you have a substantial portion of it's people who are not capable of being of any use to this society? And not only that, but their progeny unto the 10th generation have no capacity to do so either? Barring the statistical oddball that emerges and is quickly shunted into being in the "mainstream" group? And with each generation that oddball becomes less and less likely, as the genes in question are removed from this breeding group?
You get a lot of apocalyptic imagery here and other places. Me, I don't see the apocalypse. I see a lovely third world country coming, one with the social structure of Brazil or maybe Mexico.
Heck we might have a new overclass of Chinese and Indians taking up the economic niche that used to be occupied by "Wasps." But in any case I see a rigidly stratified society, one with similarities to India's caste system coming.
And the groupings we currently call "race" are going to dovetail nicely with this.Replies: @Buffalo Joe
Sunbeam, My wife and I live in a three bedroom, two bath house with our two cats. I think soon we will get a package in the mail from the Government describing the ” Care and feeding of your new Third-World Guest.” Shortly there after a team of government agents will arrive to inspect our home and make sure it complies with the needs of our “Guest.” I hope the send me a Mexican who can do our landscaping, It will be tough for him in the winter, but I expect the driveway to be shoveled. And, I will need the Government to provide him with ” walk around.” money. Third world homeless problem solved.
After the Mexican crews took over the formerly white trades there is a lot of on site drinking after work, hence lots of DWIs. Most white guys I used to frame with had numerous DWIs as well, they eventually smartened up though (or maybe just lost their jobs to the cheaper Mexicans).
Howie’s right. Did you see the sentence for that illegal Ecuadoran POS who killed Matt Denice? He got 12-14 years for manslaughter.
The Illegal, Nicolas Guaman, was loaded, open containers in the truck, an 8-YEAR OLD KID in the truck with him, and he ran a stop sign, hitting a 23-year old kid on a motorcycle. He continued down the street with the poor kid jammed under the truck screaming, witnesses running along side yelling for him to stop. He finally stopped about 1/4 mile late, then proceeded to back up over his victim.
Sounds like it meets the standard for vehicular homicide to me.
There isn’t ANY juicy stuff not available for free. I proved that to my sister-in-law when she said she didn’t think my 12-year old nephew needed any content controls on his laptop.
I don’t believe any statistic spouted by any politician.
Here is a GAO study on criminal alien crime. Perhaps there is something in there. The GAO is credible.
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11187.pdf
LA will never get to any semblance to what it was. Third Worlders will never leave.
The best solution is to give California back to Mexico.
Really? With the car in park and the engine off? How about sitting in the passenger seat?
“I watch lots of porn and pay very close attention to the genitals of the male”.
High definition helps tremendously with this task.
Worst Mexicans, worst Jews, worst blacks, worst Chinese, worst Koreans, worst Armenians, worst Iranians, worst etc, are all in LA.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
At least the best blogger is there, too.
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Horsepuckies. I grew up in WY in the 60s and 70s. Back then, Colorado was as almost as red as Wyoming. (Excepting the ski towns.)
QUOTE from Wikipedia Until the election of Barack Obama, the people of Colorado had voted Republican in every U.S. Presidential Election since 1964, with the exception of 1992 when a plurality voted for Bill Clinton, (possibly due to the effect of Ross Perot’s candidacy.)
But with the first wave of home-price inflation of Cali in the 90s, and especially the second wave in the later 2000s, came the influx of libtard Californians who saw a chance to sell their CA house at an enormous price and buy a cheaper house in Colo– leaving them a nice nest egg and the chance to get out of the nest they’d shat in… and then repeat the sh!tting process on poor Colorado.
Colorado has now turned blue in the face.
So much so that the now far-outnumbered remaining Republican long-timers in Northern Colorado want to secede and split the state so they can have their electoral votes back.
So much so that now poor, formerly Colorful, now crapped-over, Colorado is 4th in illegals.
Quote from WIKI: Colorado has the 4th highest percentage of undocumented people in the U.S., only behind Nevada, Arizona, California, and tied with Texas.
Thanks, California!
I'm guessing you are a baby boomer with the whiny entitlement that the world must act in your favor attitude.Replies: @William BadWhite, @Benjamin
Uh… I’m thinking that’s a question you might want to pose to your congressman regarding the good folks who manicure his lawn, or the McDonald’s franchise owner who hires the good folks who help support his failed business plan. These people add up to around 10 million in California, all of whom use “the roads,” as well as “the water,” and who regularly take their flu-ridden babies to your local emergency room for “health care,” as well as being wildly overrepresented in our “penal system.”
As far as your charge of my being a “boomer,” if anyone has their head stuck in the 1960’s, it would be you. However, your psychotic delusions of “evil is strength” is a tired cliche. There’s nothing new about you.
If it were the 1930’s you’d be extolling the merits of communism, while justifying Stalin’s mass purges–if you acknowledged them at all–as “growing pains.”
Prop 13 not only supports the concept of long-term property owners. It also supports new homeowners by keeping property taxes at a steady and sane rate. If not for Prop 13, many people could never afford buying a home in California in the first place. Many homeowners who purchased a house in the ’60’s would have been forced out.
Their home would likely be in the care of a Chinese Real Estate Investment Trust, which are so very popular now, and it would be rented out at an increasing market rate. Whole neighborhood blocks of “starter homes” would be rentals. If Prop 13 were repealed, this is what you would see happening at an accelerated rate.
Again, stop advocating for the government to take more money out of my pocket at the point of a gun.
That’s no way to behave with a neighbor, Mike.
Entirely anecdotal but funny: I just put in a new store in North Hollywood. To keep the outside security door latched during business hours we put a double sided dog clip style attachment from the metal door to the chain link fence. It cost $3.00 from Home Depot. It was stolen literally within minutes while the work was still being done. This was at ground level behind a door.
The next day we put another one but this time we welded one side around the chain link fence. Absolutely nuked one side of it. Overnight the chain link fence was unlinked to remove the worthless clip and steal it!
LA, for this and about a million other reasons, is definitely a third world city.
Most Americans do not look at immigration from "first world" or "third world" perspectives. Rather, they look at people. I suppose we ought to blame the Christian organizations from trying to save souls and the business owners who seek to earn profits.
"The Arabs were generally the worst of the lot in terms of behavior."
[Laughs] actually, Arab store owners are among the most friendliest.
"I know the Mexicans they deal with are going to one day settle scores with them."
I'm sure we will all read about it in the newspaper.
"I bet the Los Angeles metropolitan area looked a lot less 3rd world in 1955 when Disneyland was inaugurated."
Well, I bet this region looked a lot less European in the 1500, 1600, and 1700's when Native Americans roamed here.Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
> Well, I bet this region looked a lot less European in the 1500, 1600, and 1700′s when Native Americans roamed here.
No doubt it did. Those were the days. A peaceful, bucolic, caring existence.
Women made the clothes and cleaned them, bore the children and reared them, raised the crops and made the food, stood silent while men acted, decided and implemented their decisions.
Men who waged perpetual war, enslaved the defeated, hunted and killed anything that moved, lived as victors and kings; and had their way with the women – whereever, whenever, whatever, however, whyever.
A time of famine, pre-Greek medicine, honor-killings, revenge-killings, accidental-killings, murder-on-a-whim killings. A testimony to the ‘nature-red-in-tooth-and-claw’ adage through relentless, bloody-handed vicious violence. And death visited upon you from an hundred other causes.
No need to care about children, because most won’t see their first birthday. The survivors are lucky to get to age seven. But those that live to adulthood, well they get to enjoy all the wonderful benefits of the life described above.
Good times.
We live in a society dominated by an economic system that by its very design impoverishes millions through no fault of their own. This facet of capitalism has been known for generations, and yet, we are still surprised when millions are cast aside and suffer.
Under our current system, people are given a value based on their marketable skills. Is it any surprise that many have no marketable skills? The weakest among us are cast aside because they have nothing of value to give. The truly sickening views are those of neoliberals on the right who blame the poor for the failings of an unjust system. As long as we perpetuate the dogma that markets are in any way moral their will be no solution to the mass poverty created by government inaction. It is not that markets or their outcomes are good or bad, morality doesn't enter the picture. A market is a tool and like a hammer we can either use it for good or evil.
I think this is the time to start discussing not the wealth distribution in Cali but the Proposition 13 which is holding California back. May be once homeowners start paying taxes appropriate for their multimillion homes the state would have the money to help the poor.Replies: @Benjamin, @Anonymous, @bomag, @Sunbeam, @athEIst
May be once homeowners start paying taxes appropriate for their multimillion homes .
NEW homeowners do pay appropriate taxes on their multimillionaire homes, and those of us who bought long ago pay taxes appropriate to what were prudent purchases then. Otherwise you will get people who cannot afford to live in their homes–as was the case in 1979 when Prop 13 was passed.*
* Prop 13 rolled assessment back to 1975 and allowed 2%(plus bonded indebtedness) a year. So taxes are up 80% since then.
Why would you do that to the poor kid?
Horsepuckies. I grew up in WY in the 60s and 70s. Back then, Colorado was as almost as red as Wyoming. (Excepting the ski towns.)
QUOTE from Wikipedia Until the election of Barack Obama, the people of Colorado had voted Republican in every U.S. Presidential Election since 1964, with the exception of 1992 when a plurality voted for Bill Clinton, (possibly due to the effect of Ross Perot's candidacy.)
But with the first wave of home-price inflation of Cali in the 90s, and especially the second wave in the later 2000s, came the influx of libtard Californians who saw a chance to sell their CA house at an enormous price and buy a cheaper house in Colo-- leaving them a nice nest egg and the chance to get out of the nest they'd shat in... and then repeat the sh!tting process on poor Colorado.
Colorado has now turned blue in the face.
So much so that the now far-outnumbered remaining Republican long-timers in Northern Colorado want to secede and split the state so they can have their electoral votes back.
So much so that now poor, formerly Colorful, now crapped-over, Colorado is 4th in illegals.
Quote from WIKI: Colorado has the 4th highest percentage of undocumented people in the U.S., only behind Nevada, Arizona, California, and tied with Texas.
Thanks, California!Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jefferson
So was California. 1992 was the first D vote since 1964.
Colorado beat California by two decades– and the rest of the country by almost three– on this radical innovation.
Those five states may have something in common, but it sure isn’t politics.
By the way, when I attended a humble church college on the Plains, our few Californians were pretty down to earth. The closest thing we had to snobs were the Coloradans. (One girl even said “I feel stereotypically Coloradan this morning!” No Iowan thinks like that.) The one down-to-earth Coloradan was from the flat east, near the Nebraska and Kansas borders. So maybe it’s the thin air that gives people airs.
The only politicians from the state we could name were Gary Hart and Patricia Schroeder. Yuck. Tancredo came later.
Horsepuckies. I grew up in WY in the 60s and 70s. Back then, Colorado was as almost as red as Wyoming. (Excepting the ski towns.)
QUOTE from Wikipedia Until the election of Barack Obama, the people of Colorado had voted Republican in every U.S. Presidential Election since 1964, with the exception of 1992 when a plurality voted for Bill Clinton, (possibly due to the effect of Ross Perot's candidacy.)
But with the first wave of home-price inflation of Cali in the 90s, and especially the second wave in the later 2000s, came the influx of libtard Californians who saw a chance to sell their CA house at an enormous price and buy a cheaper house in Colo-- leaving them a nice nest egg and the chance to get out of the nest they'd shat in... and then repeat the sh!tting process on poor Colorado.
Colorado has now turned blue in the face.
So much so that the now far-outnumbered remaining Republican long-timers in Northern Colorado want to secede and split the state so they can have their electoral votes back.
So much so that now poor, formerly Colorful, now crapped-over, Colorado is 4th in illegals.
Quote from WIKI: Colorado has the 4th highest percentage of undocumented people in the U.S., only behind Nevada, Arizona, California, and tied with Texas.
Thanks, California!Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jefferson
“Horsepuckies. I grew up in WY in the 60s and 70s. Back then, Colorado was as almost as red as Wyoming. (Excepting the ski towns.)
QUOTE from Wikipedia Until the election of Barack Obama, the people of Colorado had voted Republican in every U.S. Presidential Election since 1964, with the exception of 1992 when a plurality voted for Bill Clinton, (possibly due to the effect of Ross Perot’s candidacy.)
But with the first wave of home-price inflation of Cali in the 90s, and especially the second wave in the later 2000s, came the influx of libtard Californians who saw a chance to sell their CA house at an enormous price and buy a cheaper house in Colo– leaving them a nice nest egg and the chance to get out of the nest they’d shat in… and then repeat the sh!tting process on poor Colorado.
Colorado has now turned blue in the face.
So much so that the now far-outnumbered remaining Republican long-timers in Northern Colorado want to secede and split the state so they can have their electoral votes back.
So much so that now poor, formerly Colorful, now crapped-over, Colorado is 4th in illegals.
Quote from WIKI: Colorado has the 4th highest percentage of undocumented people in the U.S., only behind Nevada, Arizona, California, and tied with Texas.
Thanks, California!”
The Mexican masses also invaded Illinois and Utah. I guess Mexicans do not mind the brutally cold winters in Utah, Colorado, and Illinois. Mexicans can adapt to climates that are different from that of the Southwest.
I know. It’s just that they can show a few seconds of the stuff you pay for, and make it look more enticing to the poor jaded porn addict.
Blast from the past: http://www.vdare.com/articles/tom-tancredo-vs-third-world-miami-capital-of-latin-america
Pyongyang……all the attendants are required to have bad bleach jobs!
It does however make the 1% richer and that's why it happened despite all logic - they paid the media and politicians to lie for them.
The thing is though even that doesn't work long term because importing millions of people who are individually all below the mean productivity level is always going to be deflationary in the long term and so will always end in economic disaster.
Although the 1% who destroyed California will have enough loot to move somewhere else when it goes down.
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White liberals (with kids) are just as prone to white flight as republicans they're just more hypocritical about it so it wouldn't surprise me if liberal white flighters from California felt the need to over compensate when they got to Omaha.Replies: @Anon
“As people have been saying for years importing millions of low skilled immigrants literally cannot increase prosperity; it can only decrease it.”
High-skilled citizens want low-skilled immigrants.
Those in the middle are in the shit can.
In the early 1950’s two of my cousins were nearly killed by a drunk illegal driving the wrong way on Highway 99 near Fresno. Their best friend’s parents, sitting in the front seat died. This didn’t start in the 1970’s.
Hey, she thinks he’s a genius. Let him prove it.
So was California. 1992 was the first D vote since 1964. Aye. California Prop 187, “Save our State” in 1994 was the last gasp of White, Republican California to save itself
No doubt it did. Those were the days. A peaceful, bucolic, caring existence.
Women made the clothes and cleaned them, bore the children and reared them, raised the crops and made the food, stood silent while men acted, decided and implemented their decisions.
Men who waged perpetual war, enslaved the defeated, hunted and killed anything that moved, lived as victors and kings; and had their way with the women - whereever, whenever, whatever, however, whyever.
A time of famine, pre-Greek medicine, honor-killings, revenge-killings, accidental-killings, murder-on-a-whim killings. A testimony to the ‘nature-red-in-tooth-and-claw’ adage through relentless, bloody-handed vicious violence. And death visited upon you from an hundred other causes.
No need to care about children, because most won’t see their first birthday. The survivors are lucky to get to age seven. But those that live to adulthood, well they get to enjoy all the wonderful benefits of the life described above.
Good times.Replies: @Buffalo Joe
Charles, excellent reply. Corvinus forgets that many native people on this continent were basically stone age remnants. The wheel, they hadn’t thought of the wheel.
California voted Republican in six straight presidential elections from 1968 to 1988, but it would be inaccurate to call it a red state. During that same period, Governor Moonbeam won two terms as California’s chief executive officer, and some other liberals, like Senator Alan Cranston, occasionally won statewide elections.
I think it’s more accurate to call California a purple state that voted solidly for Republicans. Keep in mind that four of those six presidential election victories in California involved favorite son presidential candidates in Nixon and Reagan. The other two elections, with Ford in 1976 and George H. W. Bush in 1988, were closely contested elections. Ford beat Carter by less than two points in ’76 while Bush beat Dukakis by only three-and-a-half points in ’88.
Even Nixon beat Humphrey in 1968 by just three points, and California was Tricky Dick’s home state.
The problem is that California has gone from a purple state as recently as the early nineties to a deep blue state today.
Yes, stone age primitives are a cautionary tale…until YT kills one. Then they’re noble savage martyrs.
Right, California was a Purple State that went Republican in 9 out of 10 Presidential elections from 1952-1988, often by narrow margins. The national GOP put Southern California politicians on the national ballot seven times in those ten elections, winning six of them.
I don't think it makes much sense to talk about red and blue states during the Eisenhower years, when the general won pretty much everywhere outside of Dixie and did so with nonideological campaigns.
Besides, Ike's victories in California were right in line with his national margins of victory, and the Kennedy/Nixon contest in 1960 was essentially a tie, which is pretty surprising when you consider that Nixon was a favorite son candidate back in a day when that still meant something.But this is merely a testament to the ubiquity of Nixon back then. And Nixon never won California easily when he was at the top of the ticket, except when he was running against McGovern. Even in '72, Nixon was well below his national margin of victory in his native state.
How conservative can California have been when Nixon beat McGovern by only thirteen points in his home state when he defeated the South Dakota senator by twenty-three points nationally?
So I'm not contradicting myself when I point out that California was a purple state even when it was winning six straight presidential elections in a row. You can see that in the other statewide elections.
I can’t tell if you’re agreeing or disagreeing with what I wrote. I’ll assume you were disagreeing.
I don’t think it makes much sense to talk about red and blue states during the Eisenhower years, when the general won pretty much everywhere outside of Dixie and did so with nonideological campaigns.
Besides, Ike’s victories in California were right in line with his national margins of victory, and the Kennedy/Nixon contest in 1960 was essentially a tie, which is pretty surprising when you consider that Nixon was a favorite son candidate back in a day when that still meant something.
But this is merely a testament to the ubiquity of Nixon back then. And Nixon never won California easily when he was at the top of the ticket, except when he was running against McGovern. Even in ’72, Nixon was well below his national margin of victory in his native state.
How conservative can California have been when Nixon beat McGovern by only thirteen points in his home state when he defeated the South Dakota senator by twenty-three points nationally?
So I’m not contradicting myself when I point out that California was a purple state even when it was winning six straight presidential elections in a row. You can see that in the other statewide elections.
During the Cold War, California always had a strong progressive tradition in the north that was balanced by conservative strength in the south. Republicans usually tipped the balance in national elections during this period by running California Republicans for president, but the party frequently lost the other statewide races almost as much as it won them.
What sense does it make to talk about Ike’s victories in California as proof California was a red state when Goodwin Knight, a liberal Republican in the mold of Earl Warren and Nelson Rockefeller, and Edmund G. Brown both won landslide elections for governor in the fifties?
Actually, I had to scrounge through about five articles before finding one that would mention it.