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From the New York Times “Style” section:

A Brief History of ‘Karen’

In 1965, it was the third-most-popular baby name in the United States. In 2018, it was the 635th — and today it’s even less popular. How did Karens fall so far?

By Henry Goldblatt
July 31, 2020

Ask a woman named Karen what she used to think of her name and you’ll hear phrases like “generic,” “perfectly serviceable” and “an easy name.”

In 2020, Karen is no longer “an easy name.” Once popular for girls born in the 1960s, it then became a pseudonym for a middle-aged busybody with a blond choppy bob who asks to speak to the manager. Now, the moniker has most recently morphed into a symbol of racism and white privilege.

It’s almost as if anti-white racist hate speech has been promoted by the New York Times in recent years.

A “Karen” now roams restaurants and stores, often without a mask during this coronavirus era, spewing venom and calling the authorities to tattle, usually on people of color and often putting them in dangerous situations. And while this archetype had previously been called “Permit Patty” or “BBQ Becky,” “Karen” has stuck.

And, of course, the Queen of Karens — Amy Cooper, also known as Central Park Karen — threatened and fabricated accusations against a Black man after he politely asked her to put her dog on a leash, as park rules stated.

In other words, a Karen is a white woman who asks to have picky rules enforced, or is a white woman who is picked on over picky rules. But let’s not get picky over logical consistency. The point is that, whatever she does or doesn’t do, the Karen is a white woman and therefore deserves racist mockery.

A reader writes:

One important takeaway (in my opinion):

Don’t give your daughter a trendy name. If you do, the likely result is that she has a cute and sexy name until age 30 but after that her name will more and more be seen as non-cute, non-sexy, and representative of an older disfavored generation. Eventually, most of the women in the nursing home will have that name.

Sometimes out of fashion names come back in fashion maybe 70 years later as young couples honor a beloved grandparent. But, yeah, having the hot name of 1965 is not so good in 2020. But age must come to us all.

What’s not so necessary is a society that thinks racist slurs are hilarious as long as whites are the victims.

 
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  1. Anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, if you were my age (30) youd have a lot less sympathy for evil middle aged white women.

    From childhood school to college to corporate HR departments these are the people on the front lines waging war on us.

  2. Grumpy says:

    This has been mentioned by another commenter, but the swiftness with which “Becky” was replaced by “Karen” is suspicious. My hunch is that “Becky” took off on social media, and then “Karen” was imposed from above as a replacement.

  3. ‘… The point is that, whatever she does or doesn’t do, the Karen is a white woman and therefore deserves racist mockery.’

    Pretty much. I think unconditional submission at all times might provide an out.

    • Replies: @reactionry
  4. Incidentally, notice the name of the author.

    • Replies: @Tono Bungay
  5. By Henry Goldblatt

    Do you really need to say anymore?

    • Replies: @Gordo
    , @Jane Plain
  6. This gestalt attack on “Karens” has gotten to the heart of something important. Upper middle class society has a lot of rules big and small (and granted sometimes obnoxiously enforced) that help keep the riffraff out and keep things “Nice” (and property values high). So a natural target of the riffraff are the de facto enforcers of those rules. An easy rule of thumb to tell a good neighborhood is by how tedious the zoning/HOA restrictions are, for example. But rules, like we’re seeing with laws, don’t matter if they can’t be enforced.

    • Replies: @guest
    , @Libre
  7. Anonymous[304] • Disclaimer says:

    Ironic to see that the two biggest beneficiaries of the 20th century’s huge push to strip white males of their natural role of leadership, that is black men and white women, are now at each others’ throats.
    Out of the fray, white men more or less self castrated themselves in the foolish ‘ideal’ to ‘spread equality’, (spread beaver, more like), and now we see the spectacle of the jackals, the former subordinates turned oppressors, snarling, baring their teeth and ritually scent marking defecating, in a postured threat display just to show ‘who’s boss’.
    The obvious symbolism of the tail-between-the-logs atavistic canine submission posture aptly summarizes the modern white male.
    Meanwhile, the jackals snap, growl and drool, and face off to tear at the carcass of civilisation.

  8. Goldblatt

    We should make ‘Goldblatt’ a generic term for Jews who complain about ‘Karens’

    • Agree: Mike Zwick, kikz
    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
  9. Anti-White hatred has been around forever. Why not have it out in the open?

    Shouldn’t White women know the actual feelings out there? Won’t this tend to wake up the naive among White folks?

    I’m having a hard time seeing the downside of this trend to be honest. Yeah, it hurts feeling. But in the long run, what matters most is racial awareness.

  10. Anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

    What if Karen complains of sexual harassment?

  11. That meme, featuring the purple-haired SJW with the tears streaming down her face, in front a city in ruins, with a very sad looking frog, in a Nazi outfit, who says “I didn’t want to do this, I just wanted to be left alone and live my life”, is becoming increasingly likely to be realised every day.

    These people seem desperate to be made the actual victims that they pretend they are. They seem like they’ll do anything to provoke others to ensuring this. They must have convinced themselves that it is all they deserve. So sad.

    And, thus, they will eventually get it. Perhaps not exactly in the way they imagine, but such is the process of life.

    What a load of morons! If you make racism the predominant sin of the day and then engage in it vociferously, you have already hoisted yourself on your own petard. Eventually someone will come along and light the fuse and then “boom”.

    • Agree: Owen C.
  12. It’s almost as if anti-white racist hate speech has been promoted by the New York Times in recent years.

    It’s almost as if that’s all they do nowadays.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
  13. “At Par” or Double Bogie?

    If Thomas Piketty were to pick on ninnies or nannies for * would he be beyond Karen and/or could he grow au pair?

    * shame on *you*!–more–>

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickaninny

  14. I get the impression this new movie has a somewhat anti-Karen appeal. At least, according to the comment section. Probably inadvertent.

    • Replies: @Altai
    , @Lockean Proviso
  15. A “Karen” now roams restaurants and stores, often without a mask during this coronavirus era

    Unless I’m getting this wrong, it seems to me a “Karen” is more likely to be the type that enforces mask rules, not ignores them. But enforcing mask rules is deemed a good thing at the moment, so Karens are not going to be identified as enforcing rules with which the SJWs agree.

    It also seems to me that Karens would be part of the call-out culture, calling out fellow white people for making a mild sexist joke or expressing a generality about racial differences. But again, you’re supposed to do that these days.

  16. Altai says:

    It’s 2020 and somebody with the surname Goldblatt is telling you slurs are good in the NYT.

  17. @Colin Wright

    There was a time when I would have considered a comment like yours evidence of a warped obsession. But in the intervening years I have noticed that the willingness of Jews to point the finger of blame at white people is really rather strong. The NYT is a case in point, always ready to cry “racism” or “anti-semitism” and yet largely staffed with Jews and their hired blacks who are happy to blame white people for all sorts of things. As Steve Sailer notes (with a droll humor) quite often, “white privilege” is considerably less privileged than “Jewish privilege,” but the latter term is nonexistent. Go figure.

  18. @Colin Wright

    “It’s A Cookbook!”

    “…might provide an out.”

    – probably a temporary reprieve at best.

    See translation below of noises emanating from a terrified throng of kneeling, vicious white Sonderkommando “allies” of BLM:

    “Kill us last! Kill us last! Thank God Almighty, kill us last!”

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  19. Altai says:
    @RichardTaylor

    I think Russell took his divorce a bit hard.

    • LOL: RichardTaylor
  20. Just guessing, I’d say Henry didn’t get the Karen he wanted.

  21. In the New York Times reader comments list for this article, all the most popular comments are about the shameful fact that there is not a similarly designated name for expressing hateful scorn toward white men. Using derogatory terms to express hateful scorn toward white women is fine according to the New York Times readership, but it should be matched and exceeded by hateful scorn toward white men. This is an odd moment in history and this insanity cannot last in this form. It is too bizarre and irrational, since most of the comments are from whites, I imagine. They actually want more hate expressed toward themselves.

    • Replies: @Alden
  22. Anonymous[428] • Disclaimer says:

  23. Coemgen says:

    October 22, 2018: Can’t the NYT come up with a less anti-Semitic epithet than “Becky?”

    When one is casting aspersions upon deplorables, one needs to be very careful to aim properly.

    At the time, I suggested Jenny as a safe alternative but I guess Karen is good enough.

  24. Ask a woman named Karen what she used to think of her name and you’ll hear phrases like “generic,” “perfectly serviceable” and “an easy name.”

    I’ve known a few Karens, and I don’t recall any of them ever uttering these expressions.

    • Agree: kikz
  25. @Grumpy

    Can’t have Rebecca. People might get the wrong idea. Not Gentile enough.

  26. In other words, a Karen is a white woman who asks to have picky rules enforced, or is a white woman who is picked on over picky rules. But let’s not get picky over logical consistency.

    I think you are barking up the wrong tree here. Karen is a hypocrite who likes having the rules she likes being enforced vigorously, but thinks the rules doesn’t like shouldn’t be enforced at all. We all know plenty of middle-aged white women like this.

  27. @Harry Baldwin

    Exactly, Goldblatt is full of it. Karens are uniformly middle aged, Leftist, shrill wymen. But the new epithet is now being re-fitted for use in the Culture War against middle American women. The Central Park incident involved a typical Leftist woman who got caught out in the Leftist crossfire where race uber alles.

  28. @Anonymous

    When’s the last time Steve worked for a company with an HR dept?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  29. @Harry Baldwin

    That’s what’s missing in the NYTimes description of a “Karen”.

    Specifically, it means any white, Christian woman who complains about something a non-white person is doing, and/or attempts to enforce rules that are not fully woke.

  30. Gordo says:
    @Pop Warner

    Will Mister Goldblatt take a job in the 50% White quota? I suspect he will as we really need him to speak for White people.

  31. @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    It’s almost as if anti-white racist hate speech has promoted by the New York Times in recent years.

    It’s almost as if that’s all they do nowadays.

    With all the attacks on Karens lately we are supposed to not notice that attacks on Beckys (or is it Beckies?) have dropped, but also we are not supposed to notice that there never were attacks on “Aunt Jeminas” – the older and grossly obese black whiners who do things such as run for Governor of Georgia on a platform of canceling the Stone Mountain carving or who promote the idea that disease is caused by having sex with demons while you sleep, or that there never were attacks on all the Lakeshas, younger black females who complain about white men in order to ascend to the White’s job once they have been fired for the complaint.

    It is almost as if this attack on White women is intended to divert attention away from the hostility of black females or the gross and never ending failures of black females.

    • Thanks: kikz
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @TomSchmidt
  32. Normalize (clap emoji) calling (clap emoji) white-presenting (clap emoji) liberal (clap emoji) black girls (clap emoji) Karen

    Deranged angry liberal white women like in the Wall Of Moms video should be called Karen too

    Turn it right back on them

    If anybody calls your wife, gf, mom, sister, etc Karen it’s fighting words and knock them tf out, but otherwise who cares.

    Ethnic group = gang of men plus the women they own and protect.

    Libs want to exit “white” and cut off from
    The history of America. Which means “white” is going to be reformulated. Which means the Latina and Asian and yes fuckwit even black hotties are going to be blended into our tribe if they belong to our guys.

    Btw autocorrect caps Asian, Latina but not black. Maybe next time I update iOS.

  33. Jesse says:
    @Anonymous

    Example number (infinity) if why you keep getting your asses kicked…

    Seriously, do you *like* having achieved precisely nothing over the past century or more? Is carping and sniping at White women such a wonderful psychic wage that it makes up for losing on every single practical level?

  34. Jesse says:
    @RichardTaylor

    Bullshit. It won’t result in racial consciousness because white men ate gleefully piling on. Even the women who rose up on the Covington or Kavanaugh débâcles are noticing that none of it is reciprocated.

    One again, you’re somehow managing to be worse than the SJWs. It’s an achievement. So well done, I guess?

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    , @guest
    , @MBlanc46
  35. Jesse says:
    @Grumpy

    “Becky” is young and hot. “Karen” is middle aged, and plays into the Mommy issues of the kind of men who comment here.

    • Troll: Richard B, Owen C.
    • Replies: @Wilkey
    , @Owen C.
  36. tyrone says:

    Racist slurs and mockery won’t be enough,will it . The hatred and venom will spillover into violence at some point……..oh wait …..that last sentence needs a “has spilled over” in it.

  37. TheBoom says:

    Karen is proudly a racist term and one I hope to see has consequences for Karens.

    Karens are the primary foot soldiers of the elite. They hate you and want your dead.

    They need to be on the front line of the casualties of their toxic attitudes. I can only hope that are sentenced to jail for being afraid of being raped by blacks.

  38. Testing12 says:

    “Karen” isnt a slur. Karens are unbearable, entitled control freaks with their self worth grossly over-inflated by decades of feminist culture and spineless simps massaging their feet. Since other races keep their women in check, this is mostly an affliction of white women. Karens make everyone miserable and deserve to be scorned.

    • Replies: @Goddard
    , @guest
  39. NY Times:

    A “Karen” now roams restaurants and stores, often without a mask during this coronavirus era*,

    Whoa! That hits too close to home. But, Karen’s right you know. You can’t make a good complaint with one of those silly face diapers on. I have to take it off to be understood, and I ask others to take theirs off when I want to be sure I understand something, COVID-one-niner germies be damned.

    Regarding the reader’s point on names, I understand a few Michael Jacksons that were born before little Michael was doing his ABC’s and 123’s. But Steven Miller? I guess his Dad was a joker and his Mom a midnight toker. Is the immigration restrictionists’ only man in the White House a pompetous of love?

    .

    See, what I’ve been telling you people? It’s a whole era. You people are going to be stuck with these things on for a whole ERA, which is like what, 50 years, a thousand!?

    • Replies: @turtlesallthewaydown
  40. “By Henry Goldblatt”

    No further questions, your honor.

    • LOL: DCThrowback
  41. @North Carolina Resident

    More or less 2000, but perhaps 2004.

    • Replies: @DCThrowback
  42. anonymous[906] • Disclaimer says:
    @Grumpy

    True, but the reason why this took place is that “Karen” was created by reporters as a nickname for white women who they associated with unpleasant traits: nosiness, bossiness, and a dislike for precious Black Bodies.
    “Becky” was just a racist slur originated by actual Blacks, like “honkie,” for example.

  43. Aardvark says:

    Don’t give your daughter a trendy name.

    Is it time to start using LUH3417?

  44. anonymous[906] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Alarmist

    They never did. This is just Goldblatt’s version of the old “some would say” reporter’s bullshit technique.

  45. @RichardTaylor

    Although they’re completely oblivious to the fact, Karens are the only group without a home. Neither the Coalition of the Fringes nor Badwhites can stand them, and neither views them as one of their own.

    At the moment, Karens are getting their cake and eating it too. They get to claim victim status and membership in the Coalition while getting to be White, marrying White men and living in White suburbs. (Granted, that’s also the deal Jews get, but that’s another story. )

    This unnatural situation exists because Karens are hugely important swing voters and contol quite a bit of buying power. However, the various factions of the Coalition are getting tired of the Karens and finding it harder and harder to keep their mouths shut.

    Eventually, the demographics will change enough for the Coalition to kick them out, and when that happens, what you’re seeing now will look very mild compared to the pent-up wrath unleashed.

    • Replies: @Alexander Turok
  46. Andrew M says:
    @Grumpy

    Good observation. It’s as if some particular tribe has a historical attachment to the name Rebekah.

    • Agree: kikz, Stan d Mute
  47. Anonymous[504] • Disclaimer says:
    @Grumpy

    I think Becky was a victim of its own success/over-usage.

    Plus “Rebecca” and its various diminutive forms are a lot more common than “Karen” is.

    White women could & will start stealing holy Black name spelling over the next few years; gonna be interesting.

  48. Mike Tre says:

    So what’s the Spanish version of the name Karen? Here in Illinois, I refuse to wear a mask anywhere. So occasionally I walk into a fast food joint and it’s always a younger mestizo broad with a noticeable accent who is very authoritative and strict about mask policy. Do you think alien invaders sneaking over the border in the trunks of old cars are doing so while wearing a mask?

    Kinda fun to think about .

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  49. Anonymous[504] • Disclaimer says:
    @James Speaks

    You may have missed or underlooked the Cook County Clerk whose administration was recently mailing out the traffic court “We’s Closed” notices late (after the appearance). She is a prime specimen. There’s no one nickname for this type, though “DMV Lady” was popular back when DMVs still operated virus-friendly cattle pens (and youngsters hadn’t appropriated it as a D.C. metro regional moniker)

  50. slumber_j says:

    Don’t give your daughter a trendy name.

    Right: that’s one reason we chose Jane.

    Here’s a Karen friend of ours’ take on the subject: https://airmail.news/issues/2020-6-13/my-name-is-karen-8230

  51. Yeah, I’m pretty sure the Karen in the Central Park episode was the black man.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  52. lysias says:
    @Grumpy

    Rebecca is a Jewish name. They couldn’t allow Becky to be stigmatized.

  53. @Jesse

    Take your hallucinations somewhere else.

    • Agree: Gabe Ruth
    • Disagree: Abe
    • Replies: @Jesse
    , @Jesse
    , @Abe
  54. Goddard says:
    @Testing12

    Karens make everyone miserable and deserve to be scorned.

    We white men can mock, scorn, and avoid Karen. But when Goldblatt or Laquisha goes after Karen, they’re going not going after white woman but whites in general. Suddenly I get exercised.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  55. Jesse says:
    @Ben tillman

    Really? I’m hallucinating that your side has achieved nothing for – at least – the past few decades? That other Whites, especially women and left leaning people, hate your guts? That you’re so stupid that you’re voluntarily being controlled opposition?

    This isn’t a safe space for ya’ll to whine about all the sluts who are sleeping with everyone but you. Or that you’re super dooper Alphas except no one listens to you. Or that you’re too pure to make alliances. Basically, it’s not a circle jerk. At some point, spluttering at the latest SJW nonsense makes no sense when what you want to enact is somehow worse.

    • Replies: @Tracy
    , @ben tillman
  56. Jesse says:
    @Ben tillman

    Really? I’m hallucinating that your side has achieved nothing for – at least – the past few decades? That other Whites, especially women and left leaning people, hate your guts? That you’re so stupid that you’re voluntarily being controlled opposition?

    This isn’t a safe space for ya’ll to whine about all the sluts who are sleeping with everyone but you. Or that you’re super dooper Alphas except no one listens to you. Or that you’re too pure to make alliances. Basically, it’s not a circle jerk. At some point, spluttering at the latest SJW nonsense makes no sense when what you want to enact is somehow worse.

  57. Karen was never a trendy name. It was normal, like Barbara, or Susan.

    A “Karen” now roams restaurants and stores, often without a mask during this coronavirus era, spewing venom and calling the authorities

    Wait wait, I thought that Karen was the woman who screamed at you across the street to put on your mask. This gets confusing.

    Ann Coulter’s latest column identifies the crucial differences between Karens and Beckys.

  58. @Pop Warner

    Well, yes.

    My source of info during the Coronapocalypsepanic has been Alex Berenson, who is probably Jewish. Do I need to say more?

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  59. anon215 says:

    Most of the “Karens” I see in the real world tend to have hooked noses and have a very “Goldblatt” look about them. But don’t expect anybody to notice this out loud.

    • Thanks: San Fernando Curt
  60. Karen privilege extends to getting their daughters groomed by the rich and powerful.

    Epstein/Maxwell told their recruiters no blacks, just whites (although ‘exotic beauties’ were permissable):

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8581095/Jeffrey-Epstein-Ghislaine-Maxwell-told-victim-Virginia-Giuffre-not-recruit-black-girls.html

    The choice meat of grooming gangs from the back streets of Rotherham to the bright lights of NY…

    • Replies: @San Fernando Curt
  61. Garlic says:

    “Karen” is a term used by people who purport to oppose racism and misogyny to indulge and luxuriate in socially acceptable racism and misogyny.

  62. @Anonymous

    While I agree overall with your point, it’s not the harpies in HR and other places, e.g., the newsrooms of the NYT, who get labeled as Karens by the NYT et al. It’s White women who are usually acting quite reasonably in the face of Negro hostility and aggression.

  63. Will the oppressed Karen people of Myanmar have to change their names? Oh well, who cares. Free Tibet!

  64. My heart bleeds…..

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/portland-wall-moms-movement-falling-104705149.html

    The Portland ‘Wall of Moms’ movement is falling apart after a local Black Lives Matter group accused it of ‘anti-Blackness’

  65. Anonymous[187] • Disclaimer says:

    In other words, a Karen is a white woman who asks to have picky rules enforced, or is a white woman who is picked on over picky rules.

    I’ve been in self-quarantine for the past two weeks due to corona-virus exposure and it’s been hell lol no different from my usual life cause I’m a nerd. Anyway, I’ve been watching The Bachelor, or, as my wife calls it, the slut olympics. What’s interesting is that none of these women adopt the “proud slut” ideology, it’s always “these other women are horrid sluts, but I’m totally not, because [doublethink].”

    I think Sailer has a similar way of thinking. He spends his entire career savaging these people who won’t tell the truth because their paymasters don’t want to hear it. And then this coronavirus comes along, his paymasters go crazy, and I’m sure he has a rationalization for why he is under no obligation whatsoever to call them out.

  66. @James Speaks

    younger black females who complain about white men in order to ascend to the White’s job once they have been fired for the complaint.

    I knew a case like this. It didn’t work out for her like she had imagined. She got transferred to a “plant” that was subsequently closed, and now is worse off than when she tried to get her white boss fired.

  67. @Ben tillman

    No, no, NO. He didn’t ask to speak to the manager or tattle tale: he confronted someone directly, violating as she was the rule to keep the dog leashed in the area. Our female Cooper then refused to comply with a reasonable request to either leash her dog, or move to an area where dogs could be off-leash. Her entitlement is what makes her insufferable.

    That things then spiraled out of control on her comes as a result of her reaction.

    • Replies: @Abe
    , @ben tillman
  68. The worst of it is that this readiness to engage with strangers is actually — on average — what makes life more pleasant.

    Here in the (all-white) town I live in now, people stop to help each other, give perhaps gratuitous advice, etc — and it rubs off. I find myself offering to help some old guy struggling to lift a fifty pound sack onto his shopping cart.

    I don’t think I would have done that back in the big multi-racial megalopolis.

    Of course it goes both ways. Frank next door will offer to loan you a tool — but he’ll also go roaring off across the street to remonstrate with someone parking so he’s blocking a driveway.

    So…a certain percentage of ‘Karens’ will result.

    So what? That’s actually a better world than what these people would have instead — an atomized anonymity where we stand around in silent indifference even when our neighbor could obviously use a hand.

    …And this is what these swine are promoting with their concerted assault on ‘Karens.’ It’s almost as if they’re deliberately trying to make life worse.

  69. George says:

    Hey President Trump, you need to come out in favor of Karen’s. And Becky’s too.

  70. @TomSchmidt

    I always enjoy a story with a happy ending.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  71. Abe says:
    @TomSchmidt

    No, no, NO. He didn’t ask to speak to the manager or tattle tale: he confronted someone directly

    He was big [email protected] black drama queen looking to manufacture some racial theater. What birdwatcher comes to the park pre-loaded with dog snacks to lure away somebody else’s pet with**? What innocent birdwatcher uses a sinister phrase like “you’re not gonna like what I’m about to do”? Yes, Amy Cooper is probably a nice piece of work herself and in a perfect world both Coopers would come out short as a result of this incident. But in a tie I’ll use race (belonging to the white race) as the Trump factor.

    **Unless he normally used the dog snacks as his typical big gay ice/a$$-breaker pickup routine? Lure over some Andrew Sullivan-clone’s Bichon Frise with Scoobie snacks and you’re [email protected] deep into muscular powerbottom glutes in a public restroom in under 30 minutes?

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob, Owen C.
    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    , @Jim Don Bob
  72. @Kent Nationalist

    And any article of the sort penned by a Goldblatt may be described as “Jewsplaining.”

  73. fondolo says:

    Unaware of the Cosby show we named our daughter Olivia, which seemed a lovely, unusual and multi-syllabic girl’s name (to go with a one syllable last name). When she got to school we found that it was very common .

  74. guest says:
    @Moral Stone

    Also, that middle class middle-aged white women are out of control.

    Not so out of control as women from various other racial and age groups, but you can’t make fun of them like you can white women.

  75. guest says:
    @Jesse

    White women jump on board every last attack on white males. Including Kavanaugh and the Smirk Heard Round the World. You do realize the left is full of white women, right?

    There is no world in which white males face less chastisement than white females. And it’s a good thing for white males to “pile on.” Because they’re supposed to be the ones chastising their women.

    The problem is that everyone else chastises white women too. They should be minding their own business. Because Shaniqua and Juanita are worse than Karen.

    • Replies: @Abe
  76. guest says:
    @Testing12

    If you think other races keep their women in check, you have never met women of other races.

    I grant you black men, for instance, hit their women more than white men hit their’s, but that’s not the same thing.

    Unbearable, entitled control freaks are black girls all over. Plus throw in illegitimate parenthood, drug addiction, and criminal proclivity. None of which prevents them from dominating human-oriented bureaucracy along with Karen.

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
  77. Abe says:
    @guest

    White women jump on board every last attack on white males. Including Kavanaugh and the Smirk Heard Round the World. You do realize the left is full of white women, right?

    You do realize the white women who are presented to you as representative of all white women by Twitter, Cable News Wrestling, the Bezos Blog and New Dork Times are handpicked for their abnormality? Try going out in the world beyond a Fortune 500 office or college campus. Try going to a Walmart. That is what 60%+ of white women are really like, and once you get over your class horror of seeing real people worn down by real life you’ll realize this is where Trump’s white woman majority came from. Real women who love their sons (if not always their son’s fathers) and will have none of that “believe the woman/girlz rule!-boys drool” middleschool mentality that characterizes so many of our thought “leaders”.

    True story- my wife’s hot divorcee friend came over to do some socially distanced-girl talk in the street because she was upset her other girlfriends (the hot divorce is probably first generation white collar, and so tends to relapse socially by surrounding herself mostly with working class and below chicks) that her social circle was having none of her gaslight media-approved BLM bull and needed the validation of some other woman (my more liberal wife) to hold onto to her high-status signaling worldview.

    And it’s a good thing for white males to “pile on.” Because they’re supposed to be the ones chastising their women.

    The greatest trick the Progressive Devil ever pulled was convincing white men and white women in America that they could somehow have a future without each other (where do you think the next batch of white babies are coming from if not the business end of a white woman?)

    Here an UNZ summer challenge. If you here some man use the pejorative “Karen”, slap him and make him apologize for demeaning your girlfriend/wife/sister/mother. If it is a woman, slap her mal companion. Start doing the hard work of transforming the social landscape so that white women’s natural nurturing instincts are directed in a more socially positive direction. Be the patriarchy that you want to see in this world.

    • Agree: Jesse
    • Replies: @guest
    , @TomSchmidt
  78. In 1965, it was the third-most-popular baby name in the United States. In 2018, it was the 635th — and today it’s even less popular. How did Karens fall so far?

    Ask any Jennifer.

    17 Things Only People Named Jennifer Will Understand

  79. guest says:
    @Abe

    What does white men chastising white women have to do with them having a future without eachother? Literally nothing.

    That’s something that has to happen for them to get along better.

    • Replies: @Jesse
  80. @Abe

    If you’ve watched enough America’s Funniest Home Videos, you know that the one thing all dogs have in common is an inability to resist food. Given the number of people killed by dogs annually (about 30) and the inability to know if a strange, unleashed dog is going to leap at my throat, I’d find it entirely appropriate to find a non-lethal way to distract a dog from attacking me. Like cops, they’re loyal to where their next bit of food is coming from. Also, I cannot help but notice that the dogs owned by white people react poorly to seeing blacks, probably from lack of familiarity (which always caused mortification for a liberal in my family), so if I were black, I’d take double precaution.

    I’m willing to take him at his word: he has run the same sort of scene before with other unleashed dogs, and is an oddball who wants to enjoy birdwatching while neither being threatened by unleashed dogs, nor having those dogs scare off the birds by chasing them. And what he is requesting happens to be the regulation in that area.

    Contrast “Barbecue Becky” who was a white woman asking black people to stop grilling where it wasn’t permitted, or “Permit Patty” who objected to a black girl selling in an area where she should have had some sort of permit. In both cases, the rule breakers were supported and the white woman pointing out the rules was vilified.

    You have a black man going about trying to hold people to common standards of behavior and to have them follow the rules and you want to complain about it? I say send him after the barbecuers and non-permitted sellers. We need to encourage that guy.

    • Replies: @Abe
    , @Nicholas Stix
  81. Libre says:

    I’ve found it interesting how the maskholes have Hijacked the current word for tattling snitch to mean someone who should be snitched on, whch does make it what is said here: it’s just a slur against middle age white women

  82. @bruce county

    Yeah, she was a piece of work. Seemingly pleasant, but then she saw an opportunity and figured to remove someone who had committed a “non-shooting foul.” As Machiavelli wrote, when you strike at a King, you must kill him. She was FAR too disorganized in her approach, allowing him to dispose of her where she could do no harm.

    If you cannot be good, be careful.

  83. @Abe

    “Be the patriarchy that you want to see in this world.”

    That’s good.

  84. Libre says:
    @Moral Stone

    Zoning and hoas have destroyed America

  85. Jesse says:
    @guest

    Right. Because you responded so productively to criticism of White men (and yes, at least some of it was warranted).

    The main problem with this (that you are capable of understanding) is that it is a remarkably effective divide and conquer tactic that is preventing you from getting anything you want. You’ve been convinced that the real problem is…your mothers, sisters, nieces and sometimes (not often, since White women find you repulsive) your wives and daughters. It’s like when righties blame the vicious hiring of modern companies on…the HR department. (If only Stalin knew!)

    It’s not a choice between a left that hates them and a sane right. It’s a choice between a left that hates them but might provide some material benefits, and a right that hates them, and wants to strip all protections and rights while putting no responsibility on men. (Men don’t want a patriarchy, because that comes with responsibilities.) Oh, and a Right that wants every female who’s reached puberty to be prey.

    WN types seem repulsed by actual White people, and genuinely puzzled at constantly losing.

  86. Abe says:
    @Ben tillman

    An old Indian saying is that a tribe is not defeated until the hearts of its women are on the ground. The hearts of our women are on the ground- because a bunch of racial and ethnic aliens have torn it out of their chests and stomped on it, and all you can think to do is kick more dust on to dry out the blood?

    Believe me my wife can be a control freak sometimes too (just this morning she chastised me for not loading the dishwasher her/THE RIGHT way even though I should obviously know the bowls go on the middle tines and not the upper ones since I had just unloaded the clean dishes and so therefore should still have a perfect mental dish map in my head) but dealing with all that personal sh!t is for behind closed doors.

    Defend your white women to the death in public, especially as almost all of these national incidents are basically white women mothering overgrown black babies- wipe a joggaz a$$, blow a joggaz nose, tell a jogga not to run on the pool deck or BBQ outside hours, etc.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @ben tillman
  87. Tracy says:
    @Jesse

    That other Whites, especially women and left leaning people, hate your guts?

    I’m white, I’m a woman, I love Steve Sailer, and I think the comment section here is among the most interesting on the internet. For the record and all…

    Why are you here if you hate the place so much?

    • Replies: @Jesse
    , @anon
  88. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Although they’re completely oblivious to the fact, Karens are the only group without a home. Neither the Coalition of the Fringes nor Badwhites can stand them, and neither views them as one of their own.

    It’s less precarious than it might seem because both opposing groups are made up of disproportionately stupid, lazy, and uncooperative people, who find it difficult to turn their resentments into actual policies that would do any harm.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for clapping as Leftists purge other Leftists. But the average “Karen” is not a Leftist. The majority of white women voted for Trump in 2016, if they won’t do so in 2020 it’s because of his warmongering and mismanagement of corona. The anger “Badwhites” have for Karens has nothing to do with politics per se. You’re just angry that she got that promotion on account of things like being nice to the boss, not showing up late, etc., which you didn’t do because you’re such a “nonconformist,” in fact, you’re a lot like Galileo, a special snowflake creative mind oppressed by an authoritarian society. And when she reports your illegal parking to the police, that’s an act of WAR! But you’re unlikely to actually fight in a war, because a war, whether actual or metaphorical, requires things like a willingness to self-sacrifice, take orders, time management, etc.

    I wonder if Steve will, a year from now, be repeating the anti-Karen mantras he now condemns, as he follows his gaggle of idiot commenters further and further into irrelevancy and self-deception.

    • Troll: Owen C.
  89. @TomSchmidt

    I’ve seen it happen more than once and sometimes to me. Usually (always) turns out that Aunt Jemima succeeds in trashing me, but then mgmt. learns the hard way that Aunt Jemima can’t actually do the work. BTW, Lakesha turns into Aunt Jemima as tine passes.

  90. @Jesse

    Out fishing again, huh? I guess I’ll take the bait.

    Seriously, do you *like* having achieved precisely nothing over the past century or more?

    Let me list out the nothing that we achieved over the last century:

    Mass transport; cross-country civilian infrastructure; utilities; washing machines; dryers; microwaves; transistors; personal computers; the internet; quantitative management, logistics and supply-chain management; birth control pills, ad infinitum…

    All these nothings are the reason you are not waddling your coquettish, barefoot, pregnant ass to the river to fetch water for your hungry children, and instead posting emotionally incontinent shit tests against white dudes at UR.

    I tried (why?) to convey some sense to you a couple days ago. Your reply didn’t bother to acknowledge any of my points and was essentially indistinguishable from your other rants. But you did say something that made me think a bit:

    And whining that women are sooooo meeeeeeaaaaaan…, and you could be sooooooo great if they’d just kiss your ass doesn’t exactly fill anyone with confidence about your leadership abilities.

    Well, Jesse, I don’t know what you think leadership is, but let me tell you that all those nothings I listed are what white male leadership looks like.

    And, in order for men to lead, they have to not care what women like you think about them or anything else. The comments of the “wahmen haters” at UR and elsewhere are just decent men giving themselves a pep talk so they can deal with your insufferable ingratitude and carry on with their lives. What western women are forgetting these days is that leadership is a two-way street. In order for one to lead, another must follow. Maybe it’s time for you ladies to try doing that again.

    Hey, you chicks still into Pilates? Great. I think that until western women learn to humble themselves and follow, western men need to learn a valuable Pilate’s move: Lavare le Mani aka Washing the Hands. (No disrespect to The Dude.)

    P.S. Did you notice that commenter “Ben Tillman” whose been telling you to stop your incontinent trolling, actually clicked “Agree” to one of your first comments a couple days ago. You turn off even your allies, Karen, I mean Jesse.

    • Replies: @Jesse
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    , @Alden
  91. (((Henry Goldblatt)))

    Every. Single. Time.

  92. @Inselaffen

    Everyone wants the white girls. It’s odd the Jewish god made his chosen so homely.

  93. I’ll say it again. The people who love to use “Karen” as a racist slur should replace it with “Channon.”

    I’m sure those like the author of the NT Times Style piece would love what happened to a young woman named Channon in 2007.

  94. Abe says:
    @TomSchmidt

    I’m willing to take him at his word: he has run the same sort of scene before with other unleashed dogs, and is an oddball who wants to enjoy birdwatching

    Sorry, your unlikely explanation is now making me double down on my own- I am now convinced Mr. Cooper was cruising the park for hot milking powerglute sex and was annoyed at this silly white woman with her annoying unleashed dog driving off his true mark- a Hugh Jackman-lookalike with a King Charles Cavalier Spaniel in tow.

    You have a black man going about trying to hold people to common standards of behavior and to have them follow the rules and you want to complain about it?

    If nobody had heard of this incident outside of a NEXTDOOR.com feed, yes, I’d take his side. In a world where Juicy [sic] Smollett walks free for filing a much more egregious police report, no I don’t.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  95. Jesse says:
    @Tracy

    Because I support a lot of the goals here, and am royally pissed that literally none of them have been achieved. And a large part of that is because you’ve managed to antagonize about 95% of the White population, in no small part because you’ve managed to link popular policies with a huge number of wildly unpopular bullshit.

  96. anon[232] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tracy

    Why are you here if you hate the place so much?

    “Jesse” is trolling. Notice the same message over and over? Defeatism, anger, etc.? There was a lot of this sort of thing on some sites in 2016, expect more and more in September and October of this election year.

    Sewing of fear, doubt, defeatism, trolling for flames on irrelevant topics — all to be expected as part of the larger campaign, to jam the signal.

  97. anon[232] • Disclaimer says:
    @Abe

    Believe me my wife can be a control freak sometimes too (just this morning she chastised me for not loading the dishwasher her/THE RIGHT way even though I should obviously know the bowls go on the middle tines and not the upper ones since I had just unloaded the clean dishes and so therefore should still have a perfect mental dish map in my head) but dealing with all that personal sh!t is for behind closed doors.

    Rewarding bad behavior just leads to more bad behavior. That is why White Knighting always fails.

    • Replies: @Abe
  98. Jesse says:
    @Mario Partisan

    You’re an idiot. I *clearly* meant White people who want to advance specifically White interests. The women haters here did none of those things. Don’t piggy back on people who don’t support rescinding the female franchise, or preying on teenage girls, or a general hatred of women. No one likes those who glom onto the achievements of people who vaguely look like them to hide their own inadequacy.

    There has been no advance in either stopping/reversing the replacement of White people, or of gaining/protecting their rights within a multiethnic state. You’re controlled opposition for divide and conquer. Lots of Whites oppose the hatred of their people, but if objecting to it means being anywhere near people like you…Not only are you profoundly obnoxious, but the alternative you provide manages to be worse than the current path; there’s no material or moral reason to ally themselves with you.

    You get your White ethnostate, or even enclaves, the reality of most White people means it’s going to be considerably further left than anyone here would like. Accept it, and either start making alliances or accept yet more defeat.

    • Replies: @Mario Partisan
  99. Anon[399] • Disclaimer says:

    Here is a picture of the twerp Goldblatt. Not even an ugly Karen would like twice at him.

    • Replies: @Dave from Oz
  100. @Jesse

    FWIW I agree with the poitns you’re making here, not surprised most of the crowd aren’t sharp enough to get the underlying message take criticism constructively, human nature (even if ppl always think it’s only the ‘other side’ that acts dumbly and their own are always the rational ones…)

  101. On Monday, August 3, at 1 pm ET the ID Channel’s Murder Comes to Town tells what happened to a married woman named Melisa Augustson in Alma, Georgia several years ago.

    In case the NY Times is about to fly into a rage over a 911 call, Melisa was brutally murdered in her own home. Nobody called. There is a feature to this case and many others like it nobody mentions.

  102. @Anonymous

    Doesn’t reflect my experience.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  103. @Mario Partisan

    Ok, but are White men any better?

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
  104. Richard B says:
    @Anonymous

    Steve, if you were my age (30) youd have a lot less sympathy for evil middle aged white women.

    You don’t have to be 30 to find it hard to have sympathy for middle-aged White Karens. Or Karens of any age.

    Age has nothing to do with it.

    Your comment is a perfect example of someone who grasps the situation while totally missing the point.

    And the point is

    a society that thinks racist slurs are hilarious as long as Whites are the victims.

  105. @guest

    “If you think other races keep their women in check, you have never met women of other races“

  106. Roy Wood lost an enormous amount in royalties after being sued by PM Harold Wilson. Wood himself was innocent; the Move’s manager, Tony Secunda, included with their first hit release a saucy postcard of Wilson and fellow pol Marcia Williams in bed.

    The PM & the postcard

    Wood is a mad genius, like a Todd Rundgren with a sense of humor. However, my favorite track from the Move was this cover, with the dulcet croon of drummer Bev Bevan:

    This comment must be from our own SyonRedux– it features his signature double ellipsis:

    That’s a pretty deep voice to be coming from someone named Beverley……

    Oddly, it was the other, saner-sounding voice on the track, Ace Kefford, who went crazy in real life.

  107. Alden says:
    @Peter Johnson

    Blacks used to have the terms Mr Charley and Miss Anne for uppity Whites. Why not go back to them?

    Actually, I don’t think the White hating liberals need a nasty , derogatory term for White man. White man or men is now and has been a derogatory term for decades. Or else use the word goy.

  108. Abe says:
    @anon

    Rewarding bad behavior just leads to more bad behavior. That is why White Knighting always fails.

    On a personal level, Mrs. Abe without fail always apologizes for her less then lady-like acts. (Older man pro-tip: whatever behaviors you find most objectionable about your wife, assuming they really are objectionable and not, say, you being a schmuck and preferring to play Xbox instead of mowing the lawn, let her act it out in front of the kids- their disapproval even if expressed by only looks will cause you to more surely and immediately win the dispute than any spouse-to-spouse domestic blowout ever could. Gosh, it’s almost like the stuff Steve notices about the fairer sex, like the fact that their reality is much more socially-constructed and approval dependent than that of men, should not be used as an excuse for He-Man like chortling at their expense while ignoring your own sex’s follies, such as wearing sportsball jerseys and jackets with the name of some man who is not your father on their back. It’s almost like the differences between the sexes can be affectionately acknowledged and even leveraged to build a loving, harmonious social order within the embrace of the nuclear family).

    Your point about White Knighting on the Internet is true, but a bit misdirected (and Heartiste’s point was specifically the ridiculousness of expecting romantic favors- i.e. sex- to follow from it). So, yeah, no need to White Knight for Lena Dunham, or Kate Goslin (the true ur-Karen, down to the choppy blonde haircut) or The Coward Mrs. Blasey-Ford should any of them run afoul of the current anti-Karenness. But this is an attack directed against ALL white women.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @anon
  109. Alden says:
    @Mario Partisan

    Oh Lordy Lordy, another misogynist women hating wanker joins the repressed gay loser MEN OF UNZ. Go find a cheap hooker and get laid a couple times a week you POS. Or come out as gay. Or wank and get your frustrations about your loser life out before you post.

    Or do what my husband, his brothers and all their sons did and grandsons will soon do. Be a REAL WHITE MAN instead of a loser nerd misogynist White women hating MAN OF UNZ

    Make White babies make money and overcome all the handicaps of affirmative action and discrimination against White men. They did it, are doing it and the grandsons will do it.

    Bet you’re so pig ignorant you think that the presidents Vice Presidents senators congress critters and state and federal judges who imposed anti White man affirmative action were all White women.

    They were not White women. Every single one of the scumbag traitors were White men, not White women.

    White male politicians and judges declared and won the war against the Whites, not White women.

    • Troll: Owen C., Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @Mario Partisan
  110. Alden says:
    @Abe

    Most of the misogynist White women hating wanker nerd loser MEN OF UNZ claim to be married and the father of one child they could afford on their meager earnings.

    I don’t believe it. The hatred of White women that permeates this website just screams lonely bitter old bachelor who never got laid in his life.

    The complete ignorance of housekeeping child raising, baby and toddler care, dealing with children and teens of different ages, teaching kids to drive, and do home and car maintenance chauffeuring them and friends around meals cooking etc leads me to believe most of the misogynist White women hating MEN OF UNZ are bitter 70-90 yr old bachelors never married and childless.

    Their opinions about White women come from TV. So ignorant and ancient are the MEN OF UNZ ; they believe it’s still 1970 before video games the internet and Netflix when people still watched TV.

    Many of them defended the Jews Epstein and Maxwell for illegal sex abuse of under age girls. Fair skinned, blue eyed light haired N European type White girls by the way, the ideal White stereotype.

    I hope to God the law enforcement agencies who roam the internet searching for abusers of underage boys and girls find some of those MEN OF UNZ who defended Epstein and Maxwell, denigrated the abused minor girls.

    From my sex crimes probation officer experience; men who defend both rape of adults and sex with under age girls and boys are usually guilty of such crimes themselves.

    If you’re a woman who just found UNZ there’s 3 choices

    1 Just stay away from UNZ. No matter what the subject of the article , about one third of the comment are the bitter old virgin bachelors denouncing and hating White woman and girls. The MSM, academia and government are non stop hatred of Whites. Here we get non stop hatred of us, White women added to the MSM hatred of us and our children.

    2. Respond to the hatred of you, your mom, daughters and other White women sometimes, try to ignore it sometimes and concentrate on the articles and relevant comments about the articles.

    3. Do what I do, just blast out not hatred , as they do but contempt and disdain of them as bitter old unmarried childless loser wankers obsessed with arguing about lowering the age of consent so they can have their way with 10 year olds too small and scared to fight back. When they start up in White women and black men, bear in mind it’s mostly a southern phenomenon. Hit right back with the tens of millions of White men couch potatoes worshipping black athletes.

  111. Wilkey says:
    @Jesse

    “Becky” is young and hot. “Karen” is middle aged, and plays into the Mommy issues of the kind of men who comment here.

    I’d rate women named Karen as above average in intellect, above average in looks, middle of the road in politics, and below average in annoyingness. I’d also guess they are far less likely to be in jail than your average woman, and much less likely to be net drains on government coffers. I’ll bet they make far fewer complaints to management than women named, oh. Laquisha or LaToya, and are less likely to file lawsuits against their employers. But hey, maybe we could analyze the data and produce a report…that will quickly get the researcher canned from his job, or have him denying his findings.

  112. anon[252] • Disclaimer says:
    @Abe

    On a personal level, Mrs. Abe without fail always apologizes for her less then lady-like acts.

    You did not mention that before. Now I wonder what other facts you are holding back. See how communication works? Anyway, self control on her part to prevent the bad behavior in the first place would be preferable.

    let her act it out in front of the kid

    Sure, if you want to teach your kids that temper tantrums are what all-grown-up women do. Should work out well in their own lives. Until it doesn’t.

    Your point about White Knighting on the Internet is true,

    The truth of my statement about White Knighting is not limited to the Internet. That is obvious.

    But this is an attack directed against ALL white women.

    “All” means “every single one”, yet not one woman in my family is attacked by this.

    Your confusion becomes more obvious with every comment.

  113. @Jane Plain

    Jewish or not, Alex Berenson has done honest reporting on the Fung Flu.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
  114. MBlanc46 says:
    @Jesse

    Rubbish. White women have given white men a lot of grief over the past fifty years, and white men, especially the sort if white men who hang out around here, sometimes think it important to point that out, and to point out the specious grounds upon which most of that grief has been based. And we’re probably not going to reach any accord with the white women who have joined the PoCs in their anti-white movement. But we’re perfectly happy to welcome white women who are beginning to see that it is all whites, and not just white men, who are the targets of anti-white hatred back into the fold. We encourage more of them to do so.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  115. The Karen people wish to lodge a complaint:

    • LOL: Owen C.
  116. @Mike Tre

    So what’s the Spanish version of the name Karen? Here in Illinois…

    “Karen” is the Scandinavian version.

  117. @TomSchmidt

    “You have a black man going about trying to hold people to common standards of behavior and to have them follow the rules and you want to complain about it?”

    Get back to me, when you hear of him holding his fellow blacks to common standards of behavior and to have them follow the rules.”

    I won’t hold me breath.

    BTW, he has a history of racially harassing White women in Central Park. Amy Cooper wasn’t his first victim.

    • Agree: kikz
    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  118. @Anon

    Here is a picture of the twerp Goldblatt.

    Looks like his balls are in a vise.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  119. Tor597 says:

    All minorities have to deal with racial slurs. But now that white people have 1 slur that stings, white people want to cry about it?

    Quit being such whiners.

  120. @Jesse

    The alternatives I provide? My White ethnostate? Rescinding the female franchise…?Who are you responding to?

    What material or moral reason do men have to ally themselves with you?

  121. @Achmed E. Newman

    OK, that was funny. While you’re at it, why don’t you tell me what a pompetous is. I’ve been wondering for 50 years.

  122. Jesse says:
    @MBlanc46

    Fantastic. And what if they like White men, support White interests, and oppose your raging misogyny? Is there a place for White women who support White interests *and* center left economics/social policies? Obviously, no, but nice try.

  123. @Alden

    Your reply sounds like something I’d expect from an emotionally stunted 7th grader. Really pathetic coming from a grandmother. But, sadly, not surprising. My experience has taught me that a large segment of women are narcissistic sociopaths. Based on your post, I’d say you fit the mold.

    It’s kind of funny that your post is so gratuitously (yet typically) nasty, as it actually backs what I had been saying in my post to Jesse from a couple days ago. She, and you, had been laying the fault for WNism’s failures (I’m not a WNist, by the way) at the feet of “mysoginists.”

    My point was that women are not turned off by men who are mean to them; they are more inclined to be turned off by kindness. Why? Because kindness signals that a man does not have the fortitude to acquire resources, the only thing (besides sperm) that women want from men at the end of the day. I emphasized that male-female relations in the west began their decline with the triumph, and acquiescence of men, to feminism. By giving into feminist demands, western men signaled kindness and therefore weakness.

    Be a REAL WHITE MAN… Make White babies make money

    Exactly. A “real” man is one who acquires resources (money) and therefore signals that he is worthy to have you incur the costs of carrying his children. How is this substantially different from what I have been saying?

    Part of the problem in contemporary society is that the gender “contract” that existed in past eras has been broken. What do I mean?

    The past eras, particularly that of the silent generation and before, were ones where life was relatively simple. Western culture was characterized by traditional patriarchy, technology was limited and thus the labor time required to maintain a household was long, communication and transportation faced strong spacial limitations, etc. The result was that it was relatively easy for an average man to find an average woman and form a family. Women have always been hypergamous. But the limited options and the division of labor required by limited technology made settling down with an “average” man an optimal decision for the average woman. The cultural attitudes, i.e. the ability to shame women for anti-social behavior helped. (Women can feel shame, but not guilt.)

    In today’s society, all of these foundations have been destroyed. The ability of many men to establish stable careers has been undermined by off-shoring, immigrant competition (high and low skilled), tech changes and the amplification of business cycles caused by financialization. In turn, women have sexual market options that they never had before. A “hook up” is just a couple clicks away. Combined with female hypergamy, the result is that we have reverted back to a society of informal “harems,” in which the most successful/desirable 20 percent of men have access to the large majority of women, who they exchange amongst themselves as f*#k toys.

    While it might seem that the quality of men has also declined in comparison with the past (true), it needs to be understood that in order for men to be willing to put in the work to invest in themselves through hard work, skill development, study, etc., they need to foresee that there will be a return on their investment. For much of humans ‘existence, that return was a wife and family. But what many men have learned too late is that modern society and female hypergamy have made the risk/return trade-off such that the investment is no longer rational. The costs, financial and emotional, make committing to a fickle woman simply not worth it.

    In my personal experience, “love” is not something women’s brains are capable of experiencing. Every intimate relationship between a man and a woman is, from the woman’s perspective, purely transactional. Women are not able to understand that about themselves because a hallmark of narcissism is lack of self-awareness. You call these observations “hate,” but they are not. Personally, for me to hate someone (which is rare) I have to think the person is capable of behaving otherwise. Woman are not doing anything “wrong.” Why? Because women are amoral, i.e. incapable of behavior motivated by moral considerations. They can only pursue perceived self interest. “Moral” behavior is masculine.

    Something I have observed in women is that, often, the words that are coming out of their mouths (or keyboards) often contradict what they want, but they are not consciously aware of the conflict. This contradiction is a signal that a man is being subjected to a “shit test.”

    What is the essence of a shit test? It is that a woman is demanding one thing, but that the key to passing the test is to understand that the demand is simply to test the man’s strength of character. The key to passing the test is to not give a f*#k what she is demanding.

    Your and Jesse’s comments are essentially “shit tests.” You are demanding that white dudes cease their vile “misogyny,” and show respect to white women. You are simultaneously demanding that white dudes be “real men” and demonstrate their “leadership abilities” to white women, while you show complete and total disrespect to them.

    Well, part of being a leader is to have limited respect for those who need to be led. If we respect you, and view you as equals, why are you in need of male leadership? And why should men lead and respect gratuitously disrespectful women like you?

    One of the first steps in learning how to be a “real man” is to realize that people like you are neither deserving of respect nor male leadership.

    Don’t bother responding, I already know what you are going to say.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Thanks: The Wild Geese Howard
  124. Owen C. says:
    @Jesse

    > mommy issues

    This is the Unz Review, not stepson bangs stepmom dot com.

  125. Owen C. says:

    I wonder what Armenian men named Karen (Карэн) think of the Karen meme.

  126. @turtlesallthewaydown

    The Pompatous of Love is a word quoted by Steve Miller of a 1954 song by a 17 year old black songwriter named Vernon Green.

  127. @Goddard

    they’re going not going after white woman but whites in general. Suddenly I get exercised.

    What’s the difference? Either their accusations are True, in which case – so what? Or they’re false and must be so exposed.

    We have just two true enemies here, lies and feelz. The harm done by lies is pretty much self-evident which is why so much effort goes into obfuscation. The harm done by feelz is only compounded when said feelz are rooted in falsehood, but negative feelz based on neutral truths are evidence of neuroticism and must be seen as mental health problems and not indictments of reality as we see today.

    E.G. Call me a “cracker” or “peckerwood,” so what? Both sobriquets are referential to whites and I am most certainly 100% white. Thus, I have absolutely no problem with being called such, nor do I feel any discomfort or shame – why would I?

    Let’s quit whining about semantics and address the heart of the matter. If you regard “cracker” as a slur, YOU are the problem. I’m quite pleased looking at my forbears and my own contributions to the world, especially by way of comparison to other tribes and their accomplishments. Why aren’t you?

  128. @Jesse

    I’m not “sniping” at white women you fucking mentally ill nutjob.

    My neck is under their boot daily and has been since I was a child.

  129. anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    liar or ostentatiously feminist man. either one condemns you btw

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  130. @MBlanc46

    But we’re perfectly happy to welcome white women who are beginning to see that it is all whites, and not just white men, who are the targets of anti-white hatred back into the fold.

    Who’s the “we” chief? You have a frog in your pocket?

    “Perfectly happy” to welcome a race traitor who too late realized that without their tribe they would be on the cannibals’ menu? Aw hell no.

    Let them get what they have been asking for, demanding even, for a century. They wanted to play for the other team, I’ll be laughing at their screams of agony when it goes disastrously and inevitably wrong.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  131. @turtlesallthewaydown

    What Steve said … I guess… but it still doesn’t help us answer the question.

  132. @The Alarmist

    I’ve known a Karen who was perfectly serviceable.

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  133. @Steve Sailer

    gonna fill out an application to intern in the unz.com H/R department I think

  134. @Achmed E. Newman

    The standard in the USAF was clean, dry, & serviceable. The dry part was the real bitch.

  135. @Jim Don Bob

    He’s been great. He’s probably something of a lefty but he’s been honest in giving Fox and OANN for being THE ONLY news outlets to give him equal time.

    Fox cucked though. They were going to give him a bit of regular airtime and called it “Corona Truth” or some such, but then came the post-Floyd wave of infections so they canceled.

    Of course, this wave of infections was going to come anyway, and didn’t result in many deaths, because the WuFlu isn’t that lethal. Just keep it away from old folks and fatties and we’ll be fine.

  136. @reactionry

    ‘…See translation below of noises emanating from a terrified throng of kneeling, vicious white Sonderkommando “allies” of BLM:

    “Kill us last! Kill us last! Thank God Almighty, kill us last!”

    It’s fortunate blacks are as stupid, inept, and easily suppressed as they are.

    With them, we can play this game for a while and then go, ‘oh we changed our mind: it’s back to Jim Crow for you.’ Some fussing and having to man up, but it’ll be doable.

    I wouldn’t advise trying on this ‘we submit’ routine with somebody who actually could take advantage. That could turn out to be a one-way trip.

  137. @Dave from Oz

    Looks like his balls are in a vise.

    If they aren’t, they should be.

  138. @Abe

    Well done, Abe. F****** hilarious and probably true.

    **Unless he normally used the dog snacks as his typical big gay ice/a$$-breaker pickup routine? Lure over some Andrew Sullivan-clone’s Bichon Frise with Scoobie snacks and you’re [email protected] deep into muscular powerbottom glutes in a public restroom in under 30 minutes?

  139. MBlanc46 says:
    @Stan d Mute

    Many of them are lost and should be treated as such. But some are salvageable, and it’s in our interest to try to salvage them. We don’t have the luxury of holding grudges.

  140. @anonymous

    You think your fellow White men in Corporate America are doing anything to promote the welfare of the White race?

  141. @MBlanc46

    Women have been giving men grief for as long as both genders have been on this earth.

    Many posters here have this weird perception that Non-White women are sweet-natured, feminine, and loyal to their men. They seem to believe that N0n-White men don’t get harangued by their women. I think you’ll find that Non-White women give plenty of grief to their own men. The grass is not greener on the other side.

    As for women’s activism, my experience is this. White female activists enjoy sticking it to men, but very few have a desire to stick it to Whites or specifically to White men. There is, however, an exception…..

    Jewish women.

    Lots of Jewish women are obsessed with sticking it to White men. A lot of them have a deranged hatred of White men (and even White women). Since they control many of the leadership and PR positions in the feminist movement, you see a lot of specific condemnation of Whites and White men.

    It’s true that White women generally don’t speak out in defense of their men or their race, but I think the same is true for White men. When Jews and Blacks slur Whites, White men don’t speak up. When (((Anti-Fa))) and BLM tear down statues of their ancestors, White men don’t speak up. When Jews and Blacks go after “Becky” and “Karen,” White men don’t speak up. Other than defending their favorite NFL or college team (usually a mostly-black team), White men generally seem to be silent in the face of aggression.

    The basic problem with Whites (of both genders) is a lack of racial unity. In the atomized social milieu that they inhabit, nearly every White acts an individual operator. There’s no group unity. Nobody is acting in the interest of the broader tribe. So when powerful Jews and violent Blacks start demanding White women (and White men) condemn their fellow Whites, a lot of Whites go along to avoid being socially ostracized, fired, and financially ruined. Whites think of their personal interests, but not group interests.

    So, yes. It’d be beneficial if White women didn’t stand together with Jews, Blacks, and others who denigrate White men. It’d be beneficial if White men didn’t worship Black sports ballers who insult Whites and date White women.

    It’d be beneficial if both genders of Whites had a race-first mentality. If that started happening, then Whites would become capable of pursuing their interests and getting their way.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  142. @Abe

    I am now convinced Mr. Cooper was cruising the park for hot milking powerglute sex and was annoyed at this silly white woman with her annoying unleashed dog driving off his true mark- a Hugh Jackman-lookalike with a King Charles Cavalier Spaniel in tow.

    I cannot discount that this might also have been a motivation. You might be interested in this recent NY Post (so not the NYT) story:
    https://nypost.com/2020/08/01/months-after-central-park-karen-birders-and-dog-owners-still-feuding/

    Complaints about off-leash dogs in New York City rose 64 percent this year over last, with 757 complaints between Jan. 1 and June 30 — versus 461 in the same period last year. Fifty of those gripes were related to Central Park; just 23 were lodged in 2019. …

    Though PEP officers do hand out summonses for unleashed dogs in parks, they’ve issued only one so far this year in Central Park, versus 58 during the same period last year. The citywide number has also dipped slightly, from 569 to 567.

    “It really comes down to an issue of enforcement,” said Barrett. “[But] I don’t think the issue ever will be fully resolved.”

    Interesting also is this note about a white birder:

    “I was in the Ramble and I saw a dog running off leash so I went up to this lady and said ‘put that damn dog on a leash, there’s a sign right there.’ She said ‘I’m going to call the police I’m going to start videotaping you right now,’ ” DeCandido recalled. “About 20 minutes later, ­police cars drove up and said ‘you apparently were harassing a woman.’ ”

  143. @Nicholas Stix

    Get back to me, when you hear of him holding his fellow blacks to common standards of behavior and to have them follow the rules.

    I’d have to check his twitter feed to see who else he has confronted. Dunno. If he targets single white women with their dogs off a leash it’s likely because he has learned he can dominate them and they’re not going to pound him into the ground. I doubt he’d confront a young man with an unleashed pit bull, but I don’t know.

    From this recent NY Post story, we get:
    https://nypost.com/2020/08/01/months-after-central-park-karen-birders-and-dog-owners-still-feuding/

    One encounter, recorded June 6 by a birder who asked to remain anonymous, shows a dog walker leading six pups out of an area clearly marked “Keep Out.”

    “Get the f–k away with your camera!” the walker yells, smacking away the phone.

    I wonder what’s in that video? It might be worth it to find a copy.

    Like Derek Chauvin, Amy Cooper learned a valuable lesson about being videotaped. It’s a lesson one hopes everyone learns. Chauvin was videotaped doing police duty; Cooper would never have been videotaped calling the police if she had followed the law and put her dog on a leash. She said that this guy was threatening her:

    That’s poor judgment.

  144. Anonymous[267] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Lots of Jewish women are obsessed with sticking it to White men. A lot of them have a deranged hatred of White men

    That reminds me. I’ve forgotten her name. Steve once posted a piece by a Jewish woman about growing up New York in the bad old days. She said that back then she lived in constant fear of attack by white men, and was even taught to hold her car keys in her fist as a weapon to fend off these white men attackers. Who was this?

  145. @Abe

    An old Indian saying is that a tribe is not defeated until the hearts of its women are on the ground. The hearts of our women are on the ground- because a bunch of racial and ethnic aliens have torn it out of their chests and stomped on it, and all you can think to do is kick more dust on to dry out the blood?

    I would never for a second consider doing that, and it boggles the mind that you somehow spectacularly misread my comment to that effect. Good Lord, man, no one defends “our women” more than I do. Pay attention.

  146. @Jesse

    Really? I’m hallucinating that your side has achieved nothing for – at least – the past few decades?

    Not a hallucination, but that doesn’t make you any less of a sadistic asshole.

    That other Whites, especially women and left leaning people, hate your guts?

    That is indeed a hallucination topped with misanthropy.

    This isn’t a safe space for ya’ll to whine about all the sluts who are sleeping with everyone but you.

    That’s not what happens here, you malevolent troll.

    At some point, spluttering at the latest SJW nonsense makes no sense when what you want to enact is somehow worse.

    You’re a lunatic.

  147. @TomSchmidt

    No, no, NO. He didn’t ask to speak to the manager or tattle tale: he confronted someone directly, violating as she was the rule to keep the dog leashed in the area.

    And that’s a Karen.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  148. @ben tillman

    I don’t men to be picky, but I find the Karen meme fascinating. What is the essence of a “Karen?” There’s this story from the Grauniad that has the following quote:

    According to a popular meme, Karen is a middle-aged white woman with an asymmetrical bob asking to speak to the manager, who happens to be as entitled as she is ignorant.

    Note that that article was written BEFORE Central Park, so it’s not a reaction to it. Further along, the writer mentions:
    Know Your Meme, a Wiki-style site that defines internet culture, added “Karen” last year as an extension of the “‘Can I speak to the manager’ haircut” meme

    To me, it makes the heart of Karenism that you engage in a personal conflict with someone, you are unable to obtain your way, and you then make an appeal to a higher authority (“the manager”). The idea that Karen is “middle-aged” also plays a part here: I think it captures that Karen used to get her way when she was indulged by men as a young white woman will be, but now is unable to obtain what she wants with either a smile or a hint and so needs to respond with force.

    Karens were frequently heard as children saying “I’m telling mom.”

    In Central Park, Amy Cooper felt entitled to keep her dog off leash, could have leashed her dog when confronted with her anti-social behavior, and made a call to a higher authority when she didn’t get her way. Christian Cooper might be a Karen for reporting the Karennic behavior of Amy Cooper to the Internet, where he had to know it would make her look ridiculous.

    He’s at least decent as he has said he will not cooperate with a DA seeking to prosecute the woman, figuring she suffered enough. A Karen takes nothing but glee from watching the manager discipline the recalcitrant employee.

  149. @RichardTaylor

    It was able to get made because “white man bad” will be the NPC take.

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