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From the New York Times news section:

Frustrated by Crowds, Coastal States Weigh What to Do About Beaches

Images of packed shores have prompted a furor against officials in coastal states like California and Florida, who have resisted statewide beach closure orders.

By Patricia Mazzei, Shawn Hubler and Thomas Fuller
April 30, 2020
Updated 8:02 p.m. ET

MIAMI — The salty breeze and ocean waves have beckoned stir-crazy residents of the coast back to their beloved beaches, social distancing norms be damned.

But how to prevent beach blankets and lawn chairs from becoming new founts of coronavirus infection has become a flash point for governors in Florida, California and other coastal states, who must balance demands from constituents for relief from the escalating spring heat against the horrified reaction of the general public to photos of sweaty, swimsuit-clad bodies packed towel to towel.

Gov. Gavin Newsom of California stepped in on Thursday to shut down the beaches in Orange County, rolling back earlier attempts at giving people there a chance to stroll along the shore while staying a safe distance away from one another. Broad swaths of sand were packed over the weekend with crowds, with many people flocking from neighboring Los Angeles and San Diego Counties, where the beaches remained off-limits.

And here’s the NYT’s photo of Huntington Beach to prove how packed the shores were in Orange County:

“People flocked to Huntington Beach, Calif., last weekend despite advice that they keep their distance from one another to limit the spread of the coronavirus.” Credit…Apu Gomes/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images

Fortunately, this photo includes numbered lifeguard towers, so we can match it up against a map.

The photographer appears to be standing on Huntington Pier and shooting with a distance-compressing telephoto lens. How far is it in reality between, say, Lifeguard Tower 3 and Lifeguard Tower 5, the two closest in the picture? Google Maps’ aerial photo (taken on some other day) suggests it’s about 600 feet from the pier to Tower 3, then around 400 feet between Tower 3 and Tower 5, so Tower 11, the fifth tower, would be about 2200 feet away. At a 2 mph stroll, it would take about 14 minutes to walk from under the pier to Tower 11.

Here’s another photo with less of a telephoto effect. I presume the pink-roofed tower would be Tower 1, which isn’t included in the NYT photo:

Shouldn’t somebody at the New York Times be familiar with the oldest trick in articles about crowded beaches: using a telephoto lens?

One concern is that if the Governor announced, “Oh, darn, I was misled by sneaky telephoto pictures, the Orange County beaches weren’t as crowded as I had assumed, so I hereby declare them open!” But then really huge crowds might head to the beach on Saturday, starting another cycle of stupidity.

So, here’s a simple way to ease back in: On May 1, the beach parking lots are only open to cars with license plates ending in a 1, on May 2, only open to plates ending in a 2, etc. Then from May 11 to May 20 or beyond, then odd-even license plates.

But that would be too reasonable.

Meanwhile in Orange County:

And from the Babylon Bee:

 

 
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  1. ….. ending in a 1, on May 2, only open to plates ending in a 2, etc. Then from May 11 to May 20 or beyond, then odd-even license plates.

    And which robot or supercomputer will enforce these rules? Police, as it is, are afraid of nearness or contact with public unless essential. Many local Sheriff/police have standing orders to not respond to calls not involving loss of life/injury. I think they are not writing many speeding tickets or for not stopping properly at STOP signs.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @epebble

    Drive thru the parking lot and stick parking tickets under the windshield wipers of cars with the wrong number license plate.

    This isn't that hard.

    Replies: @Anon7, @DPG, @Federalist

    , @anon
    @epebble

    Cops routinely drive through hotel parking lots at night checking vehicles.
    Easy to hand out citations in broad daylight on a parked car.
    No social distance concerns.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_number-plate_recognition

    , @vhrm
    @epebble

    Don't focus on how they're efficiently going to beat you about the head without incurring repetitive strain injuries. They'll figure something out.

    Focus on the fact that we don't want to give police yet another excuse to intrude into our lives and raise revenue for themselves.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr--_i0JZbs

  2. Falls for? Nah.

    Jumps. Jumps right in.

    • Agree: Patrick Sullivan
    • Replies: @G. Poulin
    @anon

    Exactly. The journalists didn't fall for anything. They deliberately lied, so that they could be on the side of Team Government. American Pravda indeed.

    , @Louis Renault
    @anon

    Yes, and don't try linking Steve's article about it on Facebook, it violates their standards.

  3. wren says:

    Perhaps one of the best things people can do if they are concerned about the virus is get a little sunshine every day.

    I am proselytizing for people to get a little sun and vitamin D every day.

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3585561

    Someone’s summary:

    “Just under half (49.7%) of cases had normal vitamin D status, and only 4% of them died. Just over a quarter (27%) had insufficient vitamin D status, and most of them (88%) died. Just under a quarter (23%) had deficient vitamin D status, and almost all of them (99%) died.”

    As someone has said, vitamin D may be a marker for positive health effects from sunshine, not as the reason for good health itself.

    https://www.outsideonline.com/2380751/sunscreen-sun-exposure-skin-cancer-science

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @wren

    Don't forget to factor in that a high number of those who have died are in nursing homes where they don't get any sun at all. They would be likely to die anyway, vitamin D or no vitamin D.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    , @res
    @wren

    Thanks for that link. Here are the vitamin D levels corresponding to their statuses.


    1) normal - serum 25(OH)D of > 30 ng/ml, (2) insufficient - serum 25(OH)D of 21-29 ng/ml, and (3) deficient - serum 25(OH)D of < 20 ng/ml
     
    Those are fairly conventional numbers. Some doctors advocate for even lower thresholds:
    https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/vitamin-d-whats-right-level-2016121910893

    This article has a graphic which in conjunction with the numbers from that paper should give some food for thought.
    https://www.cooperinstitute.org/2017/09/22/vitamin-d-levels-in-the-us-population-are-getting-a-little-better-15776

    https://www.cooperinstitute.org/vault/2440/web/images/Vitamin%20D%20Status%20of%203%20US%20Ethnic%20Groups%20-%20Fig%202.png

    Table 1 of your paper has the numbers backing up your summary. It also gives demographic information for over/under 50, male/female, and with/out comorbidity.

    Table 2 and 3 have results for univariate models and Vitamin D status in a multivariate model respectively. After adjusting for age, sex, and comorbidity the mortality odds ratios for vitamin D status only drop from 12.55 to 7.63 for Insufficient and from 19.12 to 10.12 for deficient. For perspective, the univariate ORs for the other variables are 10.45 for 50 or older, 5.73 for male, and 11.24 for comorbidity. It would have helped if they had given the odds ratios for those variables in the multivariate model for comparison.

    Given how the odds ratios stays so elevated in the multivariate model I don't think they were only detecting vitamin D status as a proxy for good health.

    P.S. Worth noting that the paper is from Indonesia and has not yet been peer reviewed.

    Replies: @wren

  4. Anon7 says:

    Incredibly, Twitter passed on one of your posts.

    Media spent the last generation building itself into a fear-mongering machine, firing all of the people who investigated and reported matters of fact. Cheaper, much cheaper.

    You’ve identified one of their key techniques, because everyone sees the picture, even if they don’t read past the headline.

  5. vhrm says:

    But how to prevent beach blankets and lawn chairs from becoming new founts of coronavirus infection has become a flash point for governors in Florida, California and other coastal states,

    It’s all about the science!
    Apparently the science of spontaneous generation (1) where beach blankets and lawn chairs generate coronavirus or possibly humans generate coronavirus when potentiated by blankets or lawn chairs.

    1) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_generation

  6. @epebble

    ..... ending in a 1, on May 2, only open to plates ending in a 2, etc. Then from May 11 to May 20 or beyond, then odd-even license plates.
     
    And which robot or supercomputer will enforce these rules? Police, as it is, are afraid of nearness or contact with public unless essential. Many local Sheriff/police have standing orders to not respond to calls not involving loss of life/injury. I think they are not writing many speeding tickets or for not stopping properly at STOP signs.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @anon, @vhrm

    Drive thru the parking lot and stick parking tickets under the windshield wipers of cars with the wrong number license plate.

    This isn’t that hard.

    • Agree: moshe
    • Replies: @Anon7
    @Steve Sailer

    Cop drives through the parking lots or road parking, and cameras with software OCRs the plate and generates a photo digital citation, noting the date and GPS location of the unmarked police car, all transmitted to CHP computer. Tickets printed and mailed automatically before the car exits the lot.

    TIFIFY

    , @DPG
    @Steve Sailer

    Or just have a traffic cop stand at the entrance to the parking lot and turn cars away for the first few hours of the morning.

    , @Federalist
    @Steve Sailer

    Give people tickets for going to the beach on the whim of the dictator/governor while letting violent criminals out of prison. Yeah, anarcho-tyranny is easy.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  7. Here’s aerial video of Huntington Beach from just before Newsom’s order. People “flocked” to it, but it looks like there’s plenty of social distancing going on.

    People, especially women, tend not to sit too close to strangers when they are wearing swimming clothes. They automatically space themselves apart, far more than in other settings.

  8. The easiest explanation is they are well aware of the effect and are doing it as part of this social distance warrior culture that has quickly supplanted the SJW culture. All the insanity – trans acceptance, metoo, homeless acceptance, whatever- has collapsed into the single imperative that everyone must isolate and retreat, force resisters and deplorables to do the same, and wait for deliverance on Jan. 21 from the forces of right wing fascism. Except for prisoners, who all should he released.

    • Agree: Ron Mexico, Travis
    • Replies: @Anonymous (n)
    @Obamahotep

    Social distancing is awesome. The only pitfall I can see from it (aside from the obvious economic ruination) is that urbanization goes into reverse and the few remaining areas of pristine wilderness that are to be found in the Mountain States and Alaska succumb to development as city dweller flock there. That would be tragic, but on the micro, everyday interaction level? Who the hell wants to be squeezed in ass to face with the unwashed masses of humanity?

  9. OT: De Blasio targets the Hasidim, the NYT flirts with Holocaust denial…

    What the heck is going on in New York?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/30/nyregion/coronavirus-nyc-funeral-home-morgue-bodies.html

    The city’s four crematories have also backed up. Like other funeral directors, Mr. Kearns has been taking bodies to other cities for cremation. A few weeks ago he reached a deal with a crematory in Schenectady, about 145 miles north of New York City, to avoid the crush downstate.

    Anticipating the surge, officials in New York relaxed restrictions on city crematories in late March, allowing them to work around the clock. Each has recently been running at double its capacity. None, however, were accepting new appointments until well into May.

    On a recent week, the crematory at Green-Wood Cemetery in Brooklyn handled about 130 cases — more than double its typical load. Richard Moylan, the cemetery’s president, said that two of his five ovens had broken down from overuse.

    “The chambers need a break,” Mr. Moylan said, “but as fast as we cremate people, they keep coming in.”

    It was much the same at the Fresh Pond Crematory in Middle Village, Queens, where the four cast-iron units are handling more than 75 bodies each week, up from the usual 45.

    https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/1239725737256632320

    • LOL: LondonBob
    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    "What the heck is going on in New York?"
    Cue the redneck head explosion from Chappelle Show's Clayton Bigsby skit. Or Costanza's World's Theory, "A George divided against itself cannot stand!"

    , @Anonymous
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    From it's earliest stages, Covid in NYC has largely been driven by Orthodox Jews (OJ's?).

    Even Israel's ban on immigration was basically an attempt to keep American OJ's out. For perspective, there are Israeli OJ enclaves, where as of a month ago, the infection rate was believed to be around 30%. If the recent antibody tests are any measure, you're probably looking at an OJ population that's completely infected. Suspect NYC is no different.

    Plus OJ's tend to be young because of the birth rate, so there is a low mortality rate. They are probably already at herd immunity. They are highly anti-social and socially parasitic, so they don't care if they infect the rest of the city.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @IHTG, @Mr. Anon

    , @eD
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    De Blasio is actually of German (like Trump), not Italian heritage. Does this make this better?

  10. @epebble

    ..... ending in a 1, on May 2, only open to plates ending in a 2, etc. Then from May 11 to May 20 or beyond, then odd-even license plates.
     
    And which robot or supercomputer will enforce these rules? Police, as it is, are afraid of nearness or contact with public unless essential. Many local Sheriff/police have standing orders to not respond to calls not involving loss of life/injury. I think they are not writing many speeding tickets or for not stopping properly at STOP signs.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @anon, @vhrm

    Cops routinely drive through hotel parking lots at night checking vehicles.
    Easy to hand out citations in broad daylight on a parked car.
    No social distance concerns.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_number-plate_recognition

  11. @Steve Sailer
    @epebble

    Drive thru the parking lot and stick parking tickets under the windshield wipers of cars with the wrong number license plate.

    This isn't that hard.

    Replies: @Anon7, @DPG, @Federalist

    Cop drives through the parking lots or road parking, and cameras with software OCRs the plate and generates a photo digital citation, noting the date and GPS location of the unmarked police car, all transmitted to CHP computer. Tickets printed and mailed automatically before the car exits the lot.

    TIFIFY

  12. Well, I think on Monday, all license plates registered in a state that starts with the letter C and ends in A should be permitted to visit the beach. On Tuesday, plates with the second letter being A and the fifth letter being F visit the beach, Wednesday would be third letter L and ninth letter I, and then repeat.

    • LOL: epebble
  13. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    OT: De Blasio targets the Hasidim, the NYT flirts with Holocaust denial…

    What the heck is going on in New York?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/30/nyregion/coronavirus-nyc-funeral-home-morgue-bodies.html

    The city’s four crematories have also backed up. Like other funeral directors, Mr. Kearns has been taking bodies to other cities for cremation. A few weeks ago he reached a deal with a crematory in Schenectady, about 145 miles north of New York City, to avoid the crush downstate.

    Anticipating the surge, officials in New York relaxed restrictions on city crematories in late March, allowing them to work around the clock. Each has recently been running at double its capacity. None, however, were accepting new appointments until well into May.

    On a recent week, the crematory at Green-Wood Cemetery in Brooklyn handled about 130 cases — more than double its typical load. Richard Moylan, the cemetery’s president, said that two of his five ovens had broken down from overuse.

    “The chambers need a break,” Mr. Moylan said, “but as fast as we cremate people, they keep coming in.”

    It was much the same at the Fresh Pond Crematory in Middle Village, Queens, where the four cast-iron units are handling more than 75 bodies each week, up from the usual 45.
     
    https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/styles/content_full_width_img_lg/public/2020-04/coronavirus-800-040.jpg

    https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/1239725737256632320

    https://twitter.com/NYCMayor/status/1255309615883063297

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Anonymous, @eD

    “What the heck is going on in New York?”
    Cue the redneck head explosion from Chappelle Show’s Clayton Bigsby skit. Or Costanza’s World’s Theory, “A George divided against itself cannot stand!”

  14. LA, where 2 million people all have the same idea at the same time and ruin the fun for everyone else. Check drivers licenses at the entrance and admit only locals. Just like the Disneyland discount.

  15. @Steve Sailer
    @epebble

    Drive thru the parking lot and stick parking tickets under the windshield wipers of cars with the wrong number license plate.

    This isn't that hard.

    Replies: @Anon7, @DPG, @Federalist

    Or just have a traffic cop stand at the entrance to the parking lot and turn cars away for the first few hours of the morning.

  16. vhrm says:
    @epebble

    ..... ending in a 1, on May 2, only open to plates ending in a 2, etc. Then from May 11 to May 20 or beyond, then odd-even license plates.
     
    And which robot or supercomputer will enforce these rules? Police, as it is, are afraid of nearness or contact with public unless essential. Many local Sheriff/police have standing orders to not respond to calls not involving loss of life/injury. I think they are not writing many speeding tickets or for not stopping properly at STOP signs.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @anon, @vhrm

    Don’t focus on how they’re efficiently going to beat you about the head without incurring repetitive strain injuries. They’ll figure something out.

    Focus on the fact that we don’t want to give police yet another excuse to intrude into our lives and raise revenue for themselves.

  17. I was shocked at how the mayor disrupted the Hasidic funeral. I thought these were the Untouchable Golden People who must be allowed to deviate from local rules and laws without question? This pandemic is really causing a paradigm shift, even if temporary.

  18. Did someone mention teeming shores? Here’s a job I didn’t even know existed.

    The EB-5 visa program encourages foreigners to fork over $500K a pop and be rewarded with green cards for their whole families. Intermediaries bundle the funds and loan them out to developers, pocketing fees along the way.

    “Fraud risks in the EB-5 program are constantly evolving,” the Government Accountability Office wrote in a 2015 report on the program. Two years earlier, the Securities and Exchange Commission had to take emergency action to curtail fraud in the program. U.S. Citizens and Immigration Services officials “continually identify new fraud schemes,” according to the GAO. Last year, one of the biggest money-raisers in the business, the U.S. Immigration Fund, alleged that a “desperate, bankrupt” Chicago attorney named Doug Litowitz and a Chinese-American woman named Zoe Ma (whose actual name is Xuejun Makhsous), engaged in “wonton [sic] fraudulent behavior,” defaming USIF’s projects and scaring off potential investors in order to earn legal fees. USIF is suing them for $23M.

    Read more at: https://www.bisnow.com/national/news/capital-markets/eb5-mastroianni-usif-brook-lenfest-doug-litowitz-defamation-lawsuit-chinese-97342

    I’ve never heard of bisnow before, but they scored two awesome sic zingers in this one article.

    • Thanks: Louis Renault
    • Replies: @Midtown
    @Mr McKenna

    Wonton. Har.

  19. Anonymous[208] • Disclaimer says:

    Off-topic, but I recently watched “Midway” with my kids and was surprised to see a blatant Orwellian erasing of history. I checked through the comments to your review of the movie and noticed that none of those who discussed the movie noticed, as you did not.
    What was erased? The Fighting Six! VF-6, the Enterprise’s fighter squadron. Nowhere is there even one image of an F4F in the whole movie, let alone any depictions of air battles between the Wildcats and Zeros. I would have thought that the first use of the Thach Weave in combat would have merited at least as much screen time as movie director John Ford got.
    My kids were excited to see grandpa’s unit depicted in a movie and then…–nothing. And I was left trying to explain. I couldn’t.
    The episode brought home to me how easy it will be with the new digital video technology to seemlessly alter the past and depictions of major historical events.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @Anonymous

    The Japanese plane has its tail ID in Roman & Arabic characters?
    International convention, even back then, even for military?
    Was this always done? (I know nothing about it..)

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Anonymous, @PiltdownMan

    , @BenKenobi
    @Anonymous

    Just be glad the movie hid the truth - that the Redtails were 100% responsible for the victory.

    , @Pericles
    @Anonymous

    Hardly an uncommon observation. Movies (including adaptions, including historicals) are notoriously unreliable, fake, gay and malignly anti-social. Self-styled 'documentaries' not much better. Problem/opportunity is they're just so darn convincing.

    , @Neuday
    @Anonymous


    I would have thought that the first use of the Thach Weave in combat would have merited at least as much screen time as movie director John Ford got.
     
    Be thankful they omitted the VF-6, for they just as easily could have injected heroic sassy black women as the pilots and the Thach Weave would've taken on a whole new meaning.
  20. The wealthy would love to ban the masses from the beaches. Those are their beaches – so they think. I think alot of this is down to the oligarchy just trying to keep the unwashed multitudes in their hovels, so that the they (the rich) can enjoy a less populated World they think they deserve.

    • Agree: Old and Grumpy, theMann
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    That's definitely the attitude in Malibu.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Corvinus, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Mr. Anon


    I think alot of this is down to the oligarchy just trying to keep the unwashed multitudes in their hovels, so that the they (the rich) can enjoy a less populated World they think they deserve.
     
    Exactly.

    For a long time, the Cloud People have felt the Dirt People have had far too high a quality of life.

    CV-19 is the perfect excuse for the Cloud People to deny the Dirt People that quality of life going forward.

    Replies: @Keypusher

  21. Ah, New York. They’re not social distancing properly but at least they’re wearing masks!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=108&v=Ijo5KW6J2dE&feature=emb_logo

    Fun starts around 1:40 — not sure I can get it to cue properly.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    @Mr McKenna

    Some masks are less acceptable than others:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8268305/Police-hunt-prankster-dresses-plague-costume-daily-walks.html

    Replies: @danand

    , @Bill Jones
    @Mr McKenna

    Clean up in aisle 3,4,6,7...

    , @MB
    @Mr McKenna

    Finally somebody starts treating the scum like they deserve.

  22. Anonymous[365] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican
    OT: De Blasio targets the Hasidim, the NYT flirts with Holocaust denial…

    What the heck is going on in New York?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/30/nyregion/coronavirus-nyc-funeral-home-morgue-bodies.html

    The city’s four crematories have also backed up. Like other funeral directors, Mr. Kearns has been taking bodies to other cities for cremation. A few weeks ago he reached a deal with a crematory in Schenectady, about 145 miles north of New York City, to avoid the crush downstate.

    Anticipating the surge, officials in New York relaxed restrictions on city crematories in late March, allowing them to work around the clock. Each has recently been running at double its capacity. None, however, were accepting new appointments until well into May.

    On a recent week, the crematory at Green-Wood Cemetery in Brooklyn handled about 130 cases — more than double its typical load. Richard Moylan, the cemetery’s president, said that two of his five ovens had broken down from overuse.

    “The chambers need a break,” Mr. Moylan said, “but as fast as we cremate people, they keep coming in.”

    It was much the same at the Fresh Pond Crematory in Middle Village, Queens, where the four cast-iron units are handling more than 75 bodies each week, up from the usual 45.
     
    https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/styles/content_full_width_img_lg/public/2020-04/coronavirus-800-040.jpg

    https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/1239725737256632320

    https://twitter.com/NYCMayor/status/1255309615883063297

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Anonymous, @eD

    From it’s earliest stages, Covid in NYC has largely been driven by Orthodox Jews (OJ’s?).

    Even Israel’s ban on immigration was basically an attempt to keep American OJ’s out. For perspective, there are Israeli OJ enclaves, where as of a month ago, the infection rate was believed to be around 30%. If the recent antibody tests are any measure, you’re probably looking at an OJ population that’s completely infected. Suspect NYC is no different.

    Plus OJ’s tend to be young because of the birth rate, so there is a low mortality rate. They are probably already at herd immunity. They are highly anti-social and socially parasitic, so they don’t care if they infect the rest of the city.

    • Agree: Meretricious
    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @Anonymous

    https://www.westsiderag.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Stars-of-David-header-ad.jpg

    Replies: @Farenheit

    , @IHTG
    @Anonymous


    Even Israel’s ban on immigration was basically an attempt to keep American OJ’s out.
     
    Nah, this isn't true. The Israeli travel ban got rolling when a group of Korean tourists were found to be infected when they returned to their home country in late February.
    , @Mr. Anon
    @Anonymous

    OJ. Is that like OG?

    That Chaim Mertz..........he's OJ, man.

    Was CoV really spread by hasidim, or by people (especially, perhaps, homeless people) riding the subway? My money is on the subway.

  23. @Mr. Anon
    The wealthy would love to ban the masses from the beaches. Those are their beaches - so they think. I think alot of this is down to the oligarchy just trying to keep the unwashed multitudes in their hovels, so that the they (the rich) can enjoy a less populated World they think they deserve.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @The Wild Geese Howard

    That’s definitely the attitude in Malibu.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer



    I think alot of this is down to the oligarchy just trying to keep the unwashed multitudes in their hovels
     
    That’s definitely the attitude in Malibu.
     
    We should replace "deplorables" with that darling term brought home by our boys in the "first" Gulf war: sandni;;er.

    Just like when they say "privilege", you reply, "Oh, you mean 'genocide.'"

    The formulation of the crime may be as follows: "Whoever, while participating in a conspiracy to destroy a national, racial or religious group, undertakes an attack against life, liberty or property of members of such groups is guilty of the crime of genocide. (Rafael Lemkin [who coined the term], "Genocide", American Scholar, Volume 15, no. 2 (April 1946), p. 227–230)
     
    Rather than counter their charges, we should ramp them up.

    Replies: @Neuday

    , @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer


    That’s definitely the attitude in Malibu.
     
    Shoutout to Palos Verdes, if you’re a local!! 🏄
    , @Corvinus
    @Steve Sailer

    "That’s definitely the attitude in Malibu."

    Because they built it, not us. Their property, their rules, right? Although, the world-famous Malibu coastline does offer 27 miles of scenic public beaches. Perhaps the white rich and famous there do not seek to keep the unwashed multitudes in their hovels?

    Then again...

    https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/17/us/billionaires-beach-malibu-public-access/index.html

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Steve Sailer

    Wait, are the beaches in Malibu closed too? Or just to the public? In other words, it would make sense that if wealthy residents happen to live on the beach, then they're allowed to go on it without any problems.

  24. Anon[305] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: South Koreans say that so-called reinfections aren’t that at all, but just the test detecting dead virus fragments, which can take a long time to be cleared from the body.

    “PCR tests, or polymerase chain reaction tests, used for COVID-19 diagnosis, genetic materials of the virus amplify during testing, whether it is from a live virus or just from fragments of dead virus cells that can take months to clear from recovered patients. The PCR tests cannot distinguish whether the virus is alive or dead, he added, and this can lead to false positives.”

    “The respiratory epithelial cell has a half-life of up to three months, and RNA virus in the cell can be detected with PCR testing one to two months after the elimination of the cell.”

    http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200429000724

    • Thanks: vhrm
  25. @Mr. Anon
    The wealthy would love to ban the masses from the beaches. Those are their beaches - so they think. I think alot of this is down to the oligarchy just trying to keep the unwashed multitudes in their hovels, so that the they (the rich) can enjoy a less populated World they think they deserve.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @The Wild Geese Howard

    I think alot of this is down to the oligarchy just trying to keep the unwashed multitudes in their hovels, so that the they (the rich) can enjoy a less populated World they think they deserve.

    Exactly.

    For a long time, the Cloud People have felt the Dirt People have had far too high a quality of life.

    CV-19 is the perfect excuse for the Cloud People to deny the Dirt People that quality of life going forward.

    • Replies: @Keypusher
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Hey tard! Someone posting bullshit that I correct doesn’t make me a troll. But you using the troll button to comment on my correction makes you a fucking idiot. Is that clear to you, or do I need to draw you a picture?

  26. @Anonymous
    Off-topic, but I recently watched "Midway" with my kids and was surprised to see a blatant Orwellian erasing of history. I checked through the comments to your review of the movie and noticed that none of those who discussed the movie noticed, as you did not.
    What was erased? The Fighting Six! VF-6, the Enterprise's fighter squadron. Nowhere is there even one image of an F4F in the whole movie, let alone any depictions of air battles between the Wildcats and Zeros. I would have thought that the first use of the Thach Weave in combat would have merited at least as much screen time as movie director John Ford got.
    My kids were excited to see grandpa's unit depicted in a movie and then...--nothing. And I was left trying to explain. I couldn't.
    The episode brought home to me how easy it will be with the new digital video technology to seemlessly alter the past and depictions of major historical events.

    https://i.imgur.com/SEXoSru.jpg

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @BenKenobi, @Pericles, @Neuday

    The Japanese plane has its tail ID in Roman & Arabic characters?
    International convention, even back then, even for military?
    Was this always done? (I know nothing about it..)

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Mr McKenna

    My friend, our side of the world IS the world. Of course they used our characters. They wouldn't have had f**king airplanes if not for our civilization.

    Think of American Indians on horseback. Same thing.

    The world now is busy becoming an Oriental beehive. The bees of the future will use the knowledge of our Occidental ancestors, and they will make sure to erase all evidence of where it came from.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    , @Anonymous
    @Mr McKenna

    Hello, Mr McKenna,
    The Japanese military used both the Roman alphabet and katakana as well as Arabic numerals. As with American aircraft, the letters and numbers give specific information about the individual airplane and what unit it was attached to.
    In this case, F-348 tells us the airplane was built by Mitsubishi for the Imperial Japanese Navy, which assigned it to the 4th Kōkūtai, 3rd Chutai. It was shot down at 5:12 pm local time on February 20, 1942, and the entire seven-man crew killed, as well as the Air Group Commander, LTC Ito Takuzo, who was aboard as an observer. Altogether, on this date, F4Fs shot down 18 twin-engine bombers attempting to attack our carriers, causing the deaths of 88 Japanese naval aviators. Two other bombers made it back to their base but crashed while attempting to land.

    , @PiltdownMan
    @Mr McKenna

    https://i.imgur.com/TeQQYGx.jpg


    They seem to have used Arabic numerals, and both Latin and Japanese script.


    https://i.imgur.com/3VdE2if.jpg

  27. What do certain people mean when they say that Trump sometimes plays s 3-D Chess… or 4-D chess, or whatever? I think I have a good example: his rhetoric on Sweden’s handling of the crisis.

    Trump currently has two chief objectives when he gives his press conferences:

    1.) To support a narrative that he has made all the right choices during this crisis.
    2.) To drum up support for easing lockdowns and getting the economy up and going again.

    When he brings up Sweden, he says that they did not go full lockdown, and, eh, their death rates are somewhat higher than surrounding countries, or whatever. Bottom line: “I made the right decisions, Sweden didn’t.”

    This creates a binary choice for the Trump-hating MSM:

    1.) Agree with Trump about Sweden.
    2.) Rail against Trump’s attacks on Sweden, and argue that Sweden is the ideal model (which the completely-without-compass WHO is now actually saying.)

    Agreeing with Trump about anything (other than bombing Syria) simply isn’t an option for the Trump-deranged MSM, but if they choose #2, they are essentially supporting an easing of the lockdown in America.

    It’s not really binary, of course. They can just ignore what Trump says about Sweden. But… I guess we’ll see.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @JimDandy

    I think the Swedes will admit that in retrospect there were some things they might have done better, in particular protecting the elderly.

    Apparently Sweden has (like the US) quite large nursing homes, whereas Norway has much smaller ones. These kind of things can affect the ability to spread or retard the spread of the virus.

    The large nursing homes of the US have certainly turned into charnel houses in some areas.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

  28. @Anonymous
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    From it's earliest stages, Covid in NYC has largely been driven by Orthodox Jews (OJ's?).

    Even Israel's ban on immigration was basically an attempt to keep American OJ's out. For perspective, there are Israeli OJ enclaves, where as of a month ago, the infection rate was believed to be around 30%. If the recent antibody tests are any measure, you're probably looking at an OJ population that's completely infected. Suspect NYC is no different.

    Plus OJ's tend to be young because of the birth rate, so there is a low mortality rate. They are probably already at herd immunity. They are highly anti-social and socially parasitic, so they don't care if they infect the rest of the city.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @IHTG, @Mr. Anon

    • Replies: @Farenheit
    @Mr McKenna

    I think "Stars of Larry David" is probably more entertaining, and can be streamed!!

  29. But then really huge crowds might head to the beach on Saturday, starting another cycle of stupidity.

    Oh god, give it up already. Point to the studies showing an outbreak from outdoor transmission. If this was truly about our health and not about control and fear, all outdoor spaces – beaches and parks – would be open and people could spread out but instead we’re funneled into the same few stores during reduced hours and told to hide in our homes. Newsom prohibited any activity at the beach – no running or walking. The walking/biking paths are blocked off, too. If you did a minimal amount of research you would have found Facebook posts from both the Newport Beach and Huntington Beach PDs showing aerial photos of last Saturday and how uncrowded the beaches were. Huntington Beach found their balls tonight and decided to sue Newsom. Dana Point and Newport Beach are joining in, too. Tomorrow should be interesting, there are protests planned in HB, downtown LA, Sacramento, San Diego, Ventura, and San Francisco. The OpenCalifornia Facebook group has grown by 37,000 people since I joined it last week. It’s about to pop off this week.

    • Replies: @danand
    @AnonAnon


    “Tomorrow should be interesting, there are protests planned in HB, downtown LA, Sacramento, San Diego, Ventura, and San Francisco.”
     
    AnonAnon, uh oh, I don’t see protesting on the list of approved outdoor activities in California under Newsom’s Executive Order N-33-20:

    Badminton (singles)
    Throwing a baseball/softball
    BMX biking
    Canoeing (singles)
    Crabbing
    Cycling
    Exploring Rock Pools
    Gardening (not in groups)
    Golf (singles, walking – no cart)
    Hiking (trails/ paths allowing distancing)
    Horse Riding (singles)
    Jogging and running
    Kite Boarding and Kitesurfing
    Meditation
    Outdoor Photography
    Picnics (with your stay-home household members only)
    Quad Biking
    Rock Climbing
    Roller Skating and Roller Blading
    Rowing (singles)
    Scootering (not in groups)
    Skateboarding (not in groups)
    Soft Martial Arts – Tai Chi, Chi Kung (not in groups)
    Table Tennis (singles)
    Throwing a football, kicking a soccer ball (not in groups)
    Trail Running
    Trampolining
    Tree Climbing
    Volleyball (singles)
    Walk the dog
    Wash the car
    Watch the sunrise or sunset
    Yoga


    https://youtu.be/uACvFAm6JSM


    Somewhere along the line the shelter in place’s “5 mile from home recreational activity restriction” morphed into “beaches are bad”. Kicked off with a local’s beach turf skirmish and turned into a statewide war.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @AnonAnon

    In Steve's, favor, AA, I just thought he meant by "cycle of stupidity" that it's "close this", "open that", "no, close this again", in a mishmash of Authoritah BS. He may yet be coming around on this.

  30. @Mr McKenna
    Ah, New York. They're not social distancing properly but at least they're wearing masks!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=108&v=Ijo5KW6J2dE&feature=emb_logo

    Fun starts around 1:40 -- not sure I can get it to cue properly.

    Replies: @Cortes, @Bill Jones, @MB

    • LOL: PiltdownMan
    • Replies: @danand
    @Cortes


    “Some masks are less acceptable than others:”
     
    Cortes, around here they’re just dumping them, masks, out onto the freeway. Maybe it was in protest?

    https://youtu.be/an9TBUaABaE

    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-29/face-masks-thrown-on-freeway-cause-traffic-jam-in-california

    Replies: @Mr McKenna

  31. California Prisons Release Thousands Of Felons To Make Room For Skaters, Surfers, People Who Go Outside

    Steve-a-rino, you’re such a pollyanna. The government can’t be concerned any longer with outmoded penological theories. Soon we may be needing our prison space for political offenders.

    Viddy well, brother. Viddy well.

  32. @Obamahotep
    The easiest explanation is they are well aware of the effect and are doing it as part of this social distance warrior culture that has quickly supplanted the SJW culture. All the insanity - trans acceptance, metoo, homeless acceptance, whatever- has collapsed into the single imperative that everyone must isolate and retreat, force resisters and deplorables to do the same, and wait for deliverance on Jan. 21 from the forces of right wing fascism. Except for prisoners, who all should he released.

    Replies: @Anonymous (n)

    Social distancing is awesome. The only pitfall I can see from it (aside from the obvious economic ruination) is that urbanization goes into reverse and the few remaining areas of pristine wilderness that are to be found in the Mountain States and Alaska succumb to development as city dweller flock there. That would be tragic, but on the micro, everyday interaction level? Who the hell wants to be squeezed in ass to face with the unwashed masses of humanity?

  33. @Anonymous
    Off-topic, but I recently watched "Midway" with my kids and was surprised to see a blatant Orwellian erasing of history. I checked through the comments to your review of the movie and noticed that none of those who discussed the movie noticed, as you did not.
    What was erased? The Fighting Six! VF-6, the Enterprise's fighter squadron. Nowhere is there even one image of an F4F in the whole movie, let alone any depictions of air battles between the Wildcats and Zeros. I would have thought that the first use of the Thach Weave in combat would have merited at least as much screen time as movie director John Ford got.
    My kids were excited to see grandpa's unit depicted in a movie and then...--nothing. And I was left trying to explain. I couldn't.
    The episode brought home to me how easy it will be with the new digital video technology to seemlessly alter the past and depictions of major historical events.

    https://i.imgur.com/SEXoSru.jpg

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @BenKenobi, @Pericles, @Neuday

    Just be glad the movie hid the truth – that the Redtails were 100% responsible for the victory.

  34. @Mr McKenna
    @Anonymous

    The Japanese plane has its tail ID in Roman & Arabic characters?
    International convention, even back then, even for military?
    Was this always done? (I know nothing about it..)

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Anonymous, @PiltdownMan

    My friend, our side of the world IS the world. Of course they used our characters. They wouldn’t have had f**king airplanes if not for our civilization.

    Think of American Indians on horseback. Same thing.

    The world now is busy becoming an Oriental beehive. The bees of the future will use the knowledge of our Occidental ancestors, and they will make sure to erase all evidence of where it came from.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Thanks: Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Buzz Mohawk

    So that explains why Iranian IED 's in Iraq had "Made in Iran" printed on the inside?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  35. Michigan State House is suing its own governor for refusing to end lockdown. Considering many of them are Democrats, she must have made them really irate.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/30/michigan-house-wont-extend-state-of-emergency-votes-to-sue-gov-gretchen-whitmer-instead/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

  36. Found on a beach in California.

    On the base was a fragment of a poem.

    “Give me your quarantined, your bored,
    Your sheltered-in-place masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your locked-down front door,
    Send these, the home-bound, over-bossed to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the sandy, golden shore!”

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Imma StirCrazyous

    Excellent!

    , @MB
    @Imma StirCrazyous

    Hey, give me liberty or six feet and a face mask and I'll shut up.
    (Blindfold optional.)

  37. @Anonymous
    Off-topic, but I recently watched "Midway" with my kids and was surprised to see a blatant Orwellian erasing of history. I checked through the comments to your review of the movie and noticed that none of those who discussed the movie noticed, as you did not.
    What was erased? The Fighting Six! VF-6, the Enterprise's fighter squadron. Nowhere is there even one image of an F4F in the whole movie, let alone any depictions of air battles between the Wildcats and Zeros. I would have thought that the first use of the Thach Weave in combat would have merited at least as much screen time as movie director John Ford got.
    My kids were excited to see grandpa's unit depicted in a movie and then...--nothing. And I was left trying to explain. I couldn't.
    The episode brought home to me how easy it will be with the new digital video technology to seemlessly alter the past and depictions of major historical events.

    https://i.imgur.com/SEXoSru.jpg

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @BenKenobi, @Pericles, @Neuday

    Hardly an uncommon observation. Movies (including adaptions, including historicals) are notoriously unreliable, fake, gay and malignly anti-social. Self-styled ‘documentaries’ not much better. Problem/opportunity is they’re just so darn convincing.

  38. Anonymous[208] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr McKenna
    @Anonymous

    The Japanese plane has its tail ID in Roman & Arabic characters?
    International convention, even back then, even for military?
    Was this always done? (I know nothing about it..)

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Anonymous, @PiltdownMan

    Hello, Mr McKenna,
    The Japanese military used both the Roman alphabet and katakana as well as Arabic numerals. As with American aircraft, the letters and numbers give specific information about the individual airplane and what unit it was attached to.
    In this case, F-348 tells us the airplane was built by Mitsubishi for the Imperial Japanese Navy, which assigned it to the 4th Kōkūtai, 3rd Chutai. It was shot down at 5:12 pm local time on February 20, 1942, and the entire seven-man crew killed, as well as the Air Group Commander, LTC Ito Takuzo, who was aboard as an observer. Altogether, on this date, F4Fs shot down 18 twin-engine bombers attempting to attack our carriers, causing the deaths of 88 Japanese naval aviators. Two other bombers made it back to their base but crashed while attempting to land.

  39. @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    That's definitely the attitude in Malibu.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Corvinus, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    I think alot of this is down to the oligarchy just trying to keep the unwashed multitudes in their hovels

    That’s definitely the attitude in Malibu.

    We should replace “deplorables” with that darling term brought home by our boys in the “first” Gulf war: sandni;;er.

    Just like when they say “privilege”, you reply, “Oh, you mean ‘genocide.’”

    The formulation of the crime may be as follows: “Whoever, while participating in a conspiracy to destroy a national, racial or religious group, undertakes an attack against life, liberty or property of members of such groups is guilty of the crime of genocide. (Rafael Lemkin [who coined the term], “Genocide”, American Scholar, Volume 15, no. 2 (April 1946), p. 227–230)

    Rather than counter their charges, we should ramp them up.

    • Replies: @Neuday
    @Reg Cæsar


    Whoever, while participating in a conspiracy to destroy a national, racial or religious group, undertakes an attack against life, liberty or property of members of such groups is guilty of the crime of genocide.
     
    Then, clearly, advocating immigration is genocide.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  40. Shouldn’t somebody at the New York Times be familiar with the oldest trick in articles about crowded beaches: using a telephoto lens?

    They fell for Walter Duranty’s even older tricks in articles about Ukrainian agriculture.

    • Thanks: Muggles
  41. @Cortes
    @Mr McKenna

    Some masks are less acceptable than others:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8268305/Police-hunt-prankster-dresses-plague-costume-daily-walks.html

    Replies: @danand

    “Some masks are less acceptable than others:”

    Cortes, around here they’re just dumping them, masks, out onto the freeway. Maybe it was in protest?

    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-29/face-masks-thrown-on-freeway-cause-traffic-jam-in-california

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @danand

    Sometimes you think you've seen everything, and then...

  42. @danand
    @Cortes


    “Some masks are less acceptable than others:”
     
    Cortes, around here they’re just dumping them, masks, out onto the freeway. Maybe it was in protest?

    https://youtu.be/an9TBUaABaE

    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-29/face-masks-thrown-on-freeway-cause-traffic-jam-in-california

    Replies: @Mr McKenna

    Sometimes you think you’ve seen everything, and then…

  43. @Mr McKenna
    @Anonymous

    The Japanese plane has its tail ID in Roman & Arabic characters?
    International convention, even back then, even for military?
    Was this always done? (I know nothing about it..)

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Anonymous, @PiltdownMan

    They seem to have used Arabic numerals, and both Latin and Japanese script.

    • Thanks: Mr McKenna
  44. If we don’t want to assume lockdown policies are under active world-wide coodination (conspiracy), our best analytic tool is to identify Schelling points. What can the leisured classes agree on without coordination?

    I strongly suspect them observing a lack of hordes of prole tourists everywhere is a prime candidate. That can go on forever and become the New Normal!

    Therefore, I predict the lockdowns will continue well into the summer (tourist season) and hotels will be among the last to have all restrictions lifted, preferably only after 90% of them have permanently closed for reasons of bankruptcy.

  45. @AnonAnon

    But then really huge crowds might head to the beach on Saturday, starting another cycle of stupidity.
     
    Oh god, give it up already. Point to the studies showing an outbreak from outdoor transmission. If this was truly about our health and not about control and fear, all outdoor spaces - beaches and parks - would be open and people could spread out but instead we’re funneled into the same few stores during reduced hours and told to hide in our homes. Newsom prohibited any activity at the beach - no running or walking. The walking/biking paths are blocked off, too. If you did a minimal amount of research you would have found Facebook posts from both the Newport Beach and Huntington Beach PDs showing aerial photos of last Saturday and how uncrowded the beaches were. Huntington Beach found their balls tonight and decided to sue Newsom. Dana Point and Newport Beach are joining in, too. Tomorrow should be interesting, there are protests planned in HB, downtown LA, Sacramento, San Diego, Ventura, and San Francisco. The OpenCalifornia Facebook group has grown by 37,000 people since I joined it last week. It’s about to pop off this week.

    Replies: @danand, @Achmed E. Newman

    “Tomorrow should be interesting, there are protests planned in HB, downtown LA, Sacramento, San Diego, Ventura, and San Francisco.”

    AnonAnon, uh oh, I don’t see protesting on the list of approved outdoor activities in California under Newsom’s Executive Order N-33-20:

    Badminton (singles)
    Throwing a baseball/softball
    BMX biking
    Canoeing (singles)
    Crabbing
    Cycling
    Exploring Rock Pools
    Gardening (not in groups)
    Golf (singles, walking – no cart)
    Hiking (trails/ paths allowing distancing)
    Horse Riding (singles)
    Jogging and running
    Kite Boarding and Kitesurfing
    Meditation
    Outdoor Photography
    Picnics (with your stay-home household members only)
    Quad Biking
    Rock Climbing
    Roller Skating and Roller Blading
    Rowing (singles)
    Scootering (not in groups)
    Skateboarding (not in groups)
    Soft Martial Arts – Tai Chi, Chi Kung (not in groups)
    Table Tennis (singles)
    Throwing a football, kicking a soccer ball (not in groups)
    Trail Running
    Trampolining
    Tree Climbing
    Volleyball (singles)
    Walk the dog
    Wash the car
    Watch the sunrise or sunset
    Yoga

    Somewhere along the line the shelter in place’s “5 mile from home recreational activity restriction” morphed into “beaches are bad”. Kicked off with a local’s beach turf skirmish and turned into a statewide war.

    • LOL: AnonAnon
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @danand

    Listen, Dan, if it's not explicitly permitted, then it's banned. That's life in the USSA.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Corvinus

  46. I told y’all that this re-opening wasn’t going to go well.
    But would y’all listen? Nooooo…..

    Woman falls to her death while posing for a photo on Turkish cliff after going for a walk to celebrate the end of coronavirus quarantine lockdown

    During the walk, Olesya decided to take a photo on the edge of a cliff with the waterfalls in the background.

    She climbed over the safety fence and started posing for the image in front of her friend, who has not been named. (Daily Mail)

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/04/30/08/27830170-8272613-image-a-10_1588231510152.jpg

    What can I say? The girl liked posing. Pipe down, you man-whores.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Mr McKenna

    Wann bet they counted her's as a COVID-19 death?

  47. @AnonAnon

    But then really huge crowds might head to the beach on Saturday, starting another cycle of stupidity.
     
    Oh god, give it up already. Point to the studies showing an outbreak from outdoor transmission. If this was truly about our health and not about control and fear, all outdoor spaces - beaches and parks - would be open and people could spread out but instead we’re funneled into the same few stores during reduced hours and told to hide in our homes. Newsom prohibited any activity at the beach - no running or walking. The walking/biking paths are blocked off, too. If you did a minimal amount of research you would have found Facebook posts from both the Newport Beach and Huntington Beach PDs showing aerial photos of last Saturday and how uncrowded the beaches were. Huntington Beach found their balls tonight and decided to sue Newsom. Dana Point and Newport Beach are joining in, too. Tomorrow should be interesting, there are protests planned in HB, downtown LA, Sacramento, San Diego, Ventura, and San Francisco. The OpenCalifornia Facebook group has grown by 37,000 people since I joined it last week. It’s about to pop off this week.

    Replies: @danand, @Achmed E. Newman

    In Steve’s, favor, AA, I just thought he meant by “cycle of stupidity” that it’s “close this”, “open that”, “no, close this again”, in a mishmash of Authoritah BS. He may yet be coming around on this.

  48. @danand
    @AnonAnon


    “Tomorrow should be interesting, there are protests planned in HB, downtown LA, Sacramento, San Diego, Ventura, and San Francisco.”
     
    AnonAnon, uh oh, I don’t see protesting on the list of approved outdoor activities in California under Newsom’s Executive Order N-33-20:

    Badminton (singles)
    Throwing a baseball/softball
    BMX biking
    Canoeing (singles)
    Crabbing
    Cycling
    Exploring Rock Pools
    Gardening (not in groups)
    Golf (singles, walking – no cart)
    Hiking (trails/ paths allowing distancing)
    Horse Riding (singles)
    Jogging and running
    Kite Boarding and Kitesurfing
    Meditation
    Outdoor Photography
    Picnics (with your stay-home household members only)
    Quad Biking
    Rock Climbing
    Roller Skating and Roller Blading
    Rowing (singles)
    Scootering (not in groups)
    Skateboarding (not in groups)
    Soft Martial Arts – Tai Chi, Chi Kung (not in groups)
    Table Tennis (singles)
    Throwing a football, kicking a soccer ball (not in groups)
    Trail Running
    Trampolining
    Tree Climbing
    Volleyball (singles)
    Walk the dog
    Wash the car
    Watch the sunrise or sunset
    Yoga


    https://youtu.be/uACvFAm6JSM


    Somewhere along the line the shelter in place’s “5 mile from home recreational activity restriction” morphed into “beaches are bad”. Kicked off with a local’s beach turf skirmish and turned into a statewide war.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Listen, Dan, if it’s not explicitly permitted, then it’s banned. That’s life in the USSA.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Certainly true of handguns in the People's Republic of California. Second Amendment null & void where the cosmopolitans reign.


    As of January 1, 2001, no handgun may be manufactured within California, imported into California for sale, lent, given, kept for sale, or offered/exposed for sale unless that handgun model has passed firing, safety, and drop tests and is certified for sale in California by the Department of Justice. Private party transfers, curio/relic handguns, certain single-action revolvers, and pawn/consignment returns are exempt from this requirement.

    https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/certified-handguns/search
     
    , @Corvinus
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "Listen, Dan, if it’s not explicitly permitted, then it’s banned. That’s life in the USSA."

    According to Who/Whom?

  49. Steve, I just want to say that you are doing a great job with this expose, so to speak, of the telephoto lens trickery. Many may have been subconsciously noting this, but you noticed it and spelled in out for us (and hopefully others) nicely. Thank you for the nice work with this.

    BTW, is 6 ft separation REALLY necessary out in the sunshine with the wind blowing and UV rays falling like mad?

    This ban on outdoor activities has been egregious, as some people don’t have time to get to the beach or National Park in normal times, but at least could have made this non-paid vacation into a decent time. Personally, I think more people should have pushed back like I have. My family is another story, but I have been ignoring lots of the BS, even at work. I had a guy tell me “it’s just about following the rules”. These authoritarian personality types are taking this country straight to hell.

    • Replies: @Federalist
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Steve, I just want to say that you are doing a great job with this expose, so to speak, of the telephoto lens trickery.
     
    Very true. On the other hand, Steve obliviously went all in on the corona panic from the beginning. Now he's pointing out many of the most irrational and and abusive results (e.g., closing uncrowded beaches due to crowding, letting violent criminals out of prison). He's doing a great job with that. But how could he not see that governors and mayors having virtually dictatorial powers was going to mean irrational, stupid, and oppressive uses of that power?
    , @Mr. Anon
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Personally, I think more people should have pushed back like I have. My family is another story, but I have been ignoring lots of the BS, even at work. I had a guy tell me “it’s just about following the rules”. These authoritarian personality types are taking this country straight to hell.
     
    That's one thing that has particularly struck me about all this - the degree to which America has become a country of slavish order-followers. Yeah, sure, I realize that to some degree (perhaps to a large degree) we always were. But it wasn't so obvious. You didn't used to have people so internalize the rule from above to the point where they'll look you in the face (well, not anymore - that's not allowed) and tell you "you have to obey orders".

    Most of our public culture is built around the idea of the loner, the free-spirit, the rebel, the maverick, the person bravely going their own way, finding their own path, yada, yada, yada.

    And it's all bullshit. When it gets down to it, we're all prussian bureaucrats, sighing out "Befehl is befehl". It's especially noteworthy among the Boomers, as it's such an aboutface from the conception they had of themselves.

    Replies: @eD, @Federalist

    , @J.Ross
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Dr Oz's modification is "within 6' for 10 minutes = assume exposure." So you could be closer so long as you're just passing by.

  50. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    That's definitely the attitude in Malibu.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Corvinus, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    That’s definitely the attitude in Malibu.

    Shoutout to Palos Verdes, if you’re a local!! 🏄

  51. Anon[261] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Men are 2.5 times more likely to have severe symptoms of coronavirus and are therefore more likely to die from the disease than women, Forbes reported, citing an analysis by researchers in Shenzhen, China.

    Two clinical trials are now trying to determine if giving men female sex hormones can help them fight off the virus.

    https://www.sacbee.com/news/coronavirus/article242382521.html

    If this doesn’t work, perhaps they could try sex reassignment surgery in the next clinical trial.

    At a minimum, they own the survivors of their first clinical trial free man boob removal surgery.

  52. “Several rapists and pedophiles were just released into Orange County, California.”

    I tried to sort the rapists from the pedophiles according to the mugshots, but I had to give up. You can’t judge a book by its cover.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  53. @Mr McKenna
    Ah, New York. They're not social distancing properly but at least they're wearing masks!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=108&v=Ijo5KW6J2dE&feature=emb_logo

    Fun starts around 1:40 -- not sure I can get it to cue properly.

    Replies: @Cortes, @Bill Jones, @MB

    Clean up in aisle 3,4,6,7…

  54. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Mr McKenna

    My friend, our side of the world IS the world. Of course they used our characters. They wouldn't have had f**king airplanes if not for our civilization.

    Think of American Indians on horseback. Same thing.

    The world now is busy becoming an Oriental beehive. The bees of the future will use the knowledge of our Occidental ancestors, and they will make sure to erase all evidence of where it came from.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    So that explains why Iranian IED ‘s in Iraq had “Made in Iran” printed on the inside?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Bill Jones

    I don't know about that. My comment may have just been stupid.

    The important news is that our president has hired the prettiest press secretary in American history. She gave a press conference today, which is now a rarity. She did a good job. Trump sure knows how to pick "talent."

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/05/01/15/12957644-6980825-image-m-23_1556720803145.jpg

    Replies: @Kratoklastes

  55. @Anonymous
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    From it's earliest stages, Covid in NYC has largely been driven by Orthodox Jews (OJ's?).

    Even Israel's ban on immigration was basically an attempt to keep American OJ's out. For perspective, there are Israeli OJ enclaves, where as of a month ago, the infection rate was believed to be around 30%. If the recent antibody tests are any measure, you're probably looking at an OJ population that's completely infected. Suspect NYC is no different.

    Plus OJ's tend to be young because of the birth rate, so there is a low mortality rate. They are probably already at herd immunity. They are highly anti-social and socially parasitic, so they don't care if they infect the rest of the city.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @IHTG, @Mr. Anon

    Even Israel’s ban on immigration was basically an attempt to keep American OJ’s out.

    Nah, this isn’t true. The Israeli travel ban got rolling when a group of Korean tourists were found to be infected when they returned to their home country in late February.

  56. @anon
    Falls for? Nah.

    Jumps. Jumps right in.

    Replies: @G. Poulin, @Louis Renault

    Exactly. The journalists didn’t fall for anything. They deliberately lied, so that they could be on the side of Team Government. American Pravda indeed.

  57. @anon
    Falls for? Nah.

    Jumps. Jumps right in.

    Replies: @G. Poulin, @Louis Renault

    Yes, and don’t try linking Steve’s article about it on Facebook, it violates their standards.

  58. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    OT: De Blasio targets the Hasidim, the NYT flirts with Holocaust denial…

    What the heck is going on in New York?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/30/nyregion/coronavirus-nyc-funeral-home-morgue-bodies.html

    The city’s four crematories have also backed up. Like other funeral directors, Mr. Kearns has been taking bodies to other cities for cremation. A few weeks ago he reached a deal with a crematory in Schenectady, about 145 miles north of New York City, to avoid the crush downstate.

    Anticipating the surge, officials in New York relaxed restrictions on city crematories in late March, allowing them to work around the clock. Each has recently been running at double its capacity. None, however, were accepting new appointments until well into May.

    On a recent week, the crematory at Green-Wood Cemetery in Brooklyn handled about 130 cases — more than double its typical load. Richard Moylan, the cemetery’s president, said that two of his five ovens had broken down from overuse.

    “The chambers need a break,” Mr. Moylan said, “but as fast as we cremate people, they keep coming in.”

    It was much the same at the Fresh Pond Crematory in Middle Village, Queens, where the four cast-iron units are handling more than 75 bodies each week, up from the usual 45.
     
    https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/styles/content_full_width_img_lg/public/2020-04/coronavirus-800-040.jpg

    https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/1239725737256632320

    https://twitter.com/NYCMayor/status/1255309615883063297

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Anonymous, @eD

    De Blasio is actually of German (like Trump), not Italian heritage. Does this make this better?

  59. HELP PLEASE Yesterday on SF Gate (San Francisco Chronicle online) they had two article about push back against Newsum’s beach closures and an Op Ed from the WaPo where Harvard doctors and biologists said it was important to get out for both you physical and mental health. The doctors stated little chance of infection under normal activity, using social distancing. Today I can not find the articles against Newsum or the WaPo op-ed. And for those you don’t know NYS, we have miles of lake front beaches, but way to chilly too swim. However, there are fishermen out in boats because we have world class fresh water fishing and Cuomo re opened the boat launching ramps. Trout season is open so walking a stream is good too.

    • Replies: @AnonAnon
    @Buffalo Joe

    This one? Early studies do not appear to support California beach and park closures

    A link to the WaPo Op Ed is in the above SF Gate article.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    , @J.Ross
    @Buffalo Joe

    Have you got authors or exact wording of titles?

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  60. “Horrified reaction of the general public?” Where is the NYT getting this? Maybe the horrified reaction of a few Beckys and Karens who burn too easily to enjoy the beach

    • Replies: @anon
    @Known Fact

    The "Horrified reaction" comes from the jews in the NYT newsroom.

  61. @Achmed E. Newman
    @danand

    Listen, Dan, if it's not explicitly permitted, then it's banned. That's life in the USSA.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Corvinus

    Certainly true of handguns in the People’s Republic of California. Second Amendment null & void where the cosmopolitans reign.

    As of January 1, 2001, no handgun may be manufactured within California, imported into California for sale, lent, given, kept for sale, or offered/exposed for sale unless that handgun model has passed firing, safety, and drop tests and is certified for sale in California by the Department of Justice. Private party transfers, curio/relic handguns, certain single-action revolvers, and pawn/consignment returns are exempt from this requirement.

    https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/certified-handguns/search

  62. @Steve Sailer
    @epebble

    Drive thru the parking lot and stick parking tickets under the windshield wipers of cars with the wrong number license plate.

    This isn't that hard.

    Replies: @Anon7, @DPG, @Federalist

    Give people tickets for going to the beach on the whim of the dictator/governor while letting violent criminals out of prison. Yeah, anarcho-tyranny is easy.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Federalist

    Take a look at:
    Martin von Creveld
    "The Fate of the State"
    _Parameters_, 1996
    Search Google Scholar for best results. Seriously, please read it. It' a classic article and the trend it describes has held true for 24 years -- very good work for strategist

    The Western ("Westphalian") state has been failing since WW II. It controls less area, and its monopoly on violence has been slipping within the areas it controls (e.g. more mercs, more rent-a-cops, more private walls and security, licensed concealed carriers), and its legitimacy has been dropping (e.g. laws tend to be ignored to the point that enforcement becomes impossible -- e.g. shoplifting in major cities, psychoactive drug use, treasonous attempts to overthrow the US Government from within the US Government or to simply nullify Federal laws).
    The State, IMHO, is compensating for the above loss by bearing down on the part of society that still considers it legitimate, and in consequence is losing legitimacy even faster.

    The "crackdown" is a demonstration of weakness and hysteria, not of "anarch0-tyranny". Anarch0-tyranny is rather like describing the loss of WW II to "The Emperor's introduction of democracy to Japan".

    In other words, the other guy always looks seven feet tall and always seems to be a lot smarter than he really is. Don't let them kid you -- they're in over their heads.

  63. @JimDandy
    What do certain people mean when they say that Trump sometimes plays s 3-D Chess... or 4-D chess, or whatever? I think I have a good example: his rhetoric on Sweden's handling of the crisis.

    Trump currently has two chief objectives when he gives his press conferences:

    1.) To support a narrative that he has made all the right choices during this crisis.
    2.) To drum up support for easing lockdowns and getting the economy up and going again.

    When he brings up Sweden, he says that they did not go full lockdown, and, eh, their death rates are somewhat higher than surrounding countries, or whatever. Bottom line: "I made the right decisions, Sweden didn't."

    This creates a binary choice for the Trump-hating MSM:

    1.) Agree with Trump about Sweden.
    2.) Rail against Trump's attacks on Sweden, and argue that Sweden is the ideal model (which the completely-without-compass WHO is now actually saying.)

    Agreeing with Trump about anything (other than bombing Syria) simply isn't an option for the Trump-deranged MSM, but if they choose #2, they are essentially supporting an easing of the lockdown in America.

    It's not really binary, of course. They can just ignore what Trump says about Sweden. But... I guess we'll see.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    I think the Swedes will admit that in retrospect there were some things they might have done better, in particular protecting the elderly.

    Apparently Sweden has (like the US) quite large nursing homes, whereas Norway has much smaller ones. These kind of things can affect the ability to spread or retard the spread of the virus.

    The large nursing homes of the US have certainly turned into charnel houses in some areas.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Jonathan Mason

    "The large nursing homes of the US have certainly turned into charnel houses in some areas."

    With Cuomo's mandate that even if confirmed positive patients be readmitted to nursing homes being a big cause of slaughter.

    If I threaten you with violence if you do not perform acts that kill hundreds am I not culpable?

    Does America have a new mass killer record holder?

    Daddy would be so proud.

  64. Just chiming in with another observation familiar to anyone who has been to a beach: even on busy summer days at Huntington, Newport, Venice, etc., I’ve never had to sit closer than 10 feet to the next group. There’s a lot of sand at the SoCal shore. I suppose this might be different at narrower beaches elsewhere.

  65. @wren
    Perhaps one of the best things people can do if they are concerned about the virus is get a little sunshine every day.

    I am proselytizing for people to get a little sun and vitamin D every day.

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3585561

    Someone's summary:

    “Just under half (49.7%) of cases had normal vitamin D status, and only 4% of them died. Just over a quarter (27%) had insufficient vitamin D status, and most of them (88%) died. Just under a quarter (23%) had deficient vitamin D status, and almost all of them (99%) died.”

    As someone has said, vitamin D may be a marker for positive health effects from sunshine, not as the reason for good health itself.

    https://www.outsideonline.com/2380751/sunscreen-sun-exposure-skin-cancer-science

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @res

    Don’t forget to factor in that a high number of those who have died are in nursing homes where they don’t get any sun at all. They would be likely to die anyway, vitamin D or no vitamin D.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Harry Baldwin


    Don’t forget to factor in that a high number of those who have died are in nursing homes where they don’t get any sun at all. They would be likely to die anyway, vitamin D or no vitamin D.
     
    True. And you're welcome to leave that Vitamin D on the Costco shelf for me and my family.

    My take: it's notable that white people evolved--and Asians independently evolved--*much* lighter skin when they moved to high latitude. Just for fun?

    And most white people--living in temperate climates, inside looking at screen--do not get even the litle dose of sun on their faces that my Irish ancestors would have gotten herding sheep on the moorland.

    And they particularly do not get it ... during "cold and flu" season!
  66. @Achmed E. Newman
    Steve, I just want to say that you are doing a great job with this expose, so to speak, of the telephoto lens trickery. Many may have been subconsciously noting this, but you noticed it and spelled in out for us (and hopefully others) nicely. Thank you for the nice work with this.

    BTW, is 6 ft separation REALLY necessary out in the sunshine with the wind blowing and UV rays falling like mad?

    This ban on outdoor activities has been egregious, as some people don't have time to get to the beach or National Park in normal times, but at least could have made this non-paid vacation into a decent time. Personally, I think more people should have pushed back like I have. My family is another story, but I have been ignoring lots of the BS, even at work. I had a guy tell me "it's just about following the rules". These authoritarian personality types are taking this country straight to hell.

    Replies: @Federalist, @Mr. Anon, @J.Ross

    Steve, I just want to say that you are doing a great job with this expose, so to speak, of the telephoto lens trickery.

    Very true. On the other hand, Steve obliviously went all in on the corona panic from the beginning. Now he’s pointing out many of the most irrational and and abusive results (e.g., closing uncrowded beaches due to crowding, letting violent criminals out of prison). He’s doing a great job with that. But how could he not see that governors and mayors having virtually dictatorial powers was going to mean irrational, stupid, and oppressive uses of that power?

  67. @Mr McKenna
    @Anonymous

    https://www.westsiderag.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Stars-of-David-header-ad.jpg

    Replies: @Farenheit

    I think “Stars of Larry David” is probably more entertaining, and can be streamed!!

  68. There are a lot of people who whine about “muh liberty” in this comment section, I’d like to know what you think of my proposal to offer you your liberty back. The bill will do two things.

    First, it will establish a set of symbols people can wear as badges. I’m thinking of three symbols, one for the immune, one for those working from home or not working and who live alone or with others who work from home or don’t work, and one for those working outside the home or living with someone working outside the home and who follow all social distancing regulations. It will be illegal to use the badges falsely or otherwise claim that you’re part of a group you aren’t part of.(e.g. “I’m immune but forgot my badge.”) This is no violation of liberty: there is no right to impersonate a police officer or infringe someone else’s copyright.

    Second, individuals who want to be exempt from social distancing regulations will have the option to register and become exempt. You could do it online, with a name, SSN, and webcam video, or at your local police station. Once you do so, you can wear none of the badges.* You gain your liberty back; in exchange, you must recognize everyone else’s liberty with respect to your behavior. So that means if a business considers you a danger to their customers, they have the right to exclude from their premises. If you object to the government confining you to your home, how can you demand the government forcibly open the doors of someone’s business to you? If they don’t want to hire you, don’t want to serve you, want to segregate you within, or restrict you to special hours, you’ll respect their right to do so. Likewise, the medical system will have the right to move you to the back of the line for any medical treatment. The insurance companies will be allowed to announce that they will not cover corona treatment for anyone who signs up to be exempt. (Now, if they say they will cover corona treatment and don’t do it, that’s still fraud.) Medicare/medicaid can refuse to pay for corona treatment as well. You may say it’s a violation of liberty to tax you and deny you the benefits of those taxes. Is it also a violation of liberty to deny welfare to drug users? I don’t see it that way, I see it as the government commonsensically directing aid to those who didn’t make choices that caused them to need the aid.

    If you regret your decision there could be an “enhanced quarantine” procedure you can go through, say, 14 days completely alone, after which you can wear the badges again. And, of course, if you get it and become immune you can wear that badge.

    • Troll: Manfred Arcane
    • Replies: @anon
    @Alexander Turok

    There are a lot of people who whine about “muh liberty” in this comment section, I’d like to know what you think of my proposal to offer you your liberty back. The bill will do two things.

    Bill? Who's this Bill? Something from a legislature? Doesn't the Baron governor have total power to rule in the name of the people or something?


    First, it will establish a set of symbols people can wear as badges.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqomZQMZQCQ

    , @eD
    @Alexander Turok

    I didn't hit the Troll button on this one, but the outcast group must wear special badges in public idea really moves towards there.

    Replies: @Alexander Turok

    , @Ron Mexico
    @Alexander Turok

    Can a 4th group badge be added: 2FUQS

    , @alt right moderate
    @Alexander Turok

    I think most people on this comment thread are simply complaining about media sensationalism, state hypocrisy and liberal/left hysteria in relation to this corona outbreak. I currently work at a place with about 15-25 employees which has never even had a dishwasher to wash your cups in. As a result I always bring a flask and have lunch in my car during flu season. Yet, the other day I get criticised for standing less than two metres from another employee in the car park on a warm sunny day. And all employees are now supposed to sign a 40-page corona rules guidebook and keep a log of their body temperature (failure to comply with any regulations now also means instant dismissal, even though normally staff members get numerous warnings for breaches rules). And all this in a semi-rural area where not even a single corona case has been recorded.

    Call me a right-libertarian extremist for calling for a little balance and common sense.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Alexander Turok


    You gain your liberty back; in exchange, you must recognize everyone else’s liberty with respect to your behavior.
     
    How's about we simply have that for everything? You know good old "freedom of association". Which the Founders absolutely believed in and isn't explicitly in the Constitution only because the British (nor anyone else) were violating it--other than the specific issues like quartering troops--like our super-state does routinely today.

    Freedom of associating, where i can associate with, live around, hire, fire, rent to, buy from, sell to, go to school with, teach, ... people on whatever basis as i choose, is what actual "liberty" looks like.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  69. @Imma StirCrazyous
    Found on a beach in California.

    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/d2sAAOSwZ8tbq45N/s-l400.jpg

    On the base was a fragment of a poem.

    "Give me your quarantined, your bored,
    Your sheltered-in-place masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your locked-down front door,
    Send these, the home-bound, over-bossed to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the sandy, golden shore!"

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @MB

    Excellent!

  70. “starting another cycle of stupidity”

    Everything about this has been stupid.

    Every thought on this is stupid.

    Every action on this has been stupid.

    Everyone’s opinion on this has been stupid.

    Americans are the most gullible people on the planet.

    Can’t wait to see what they’re sold next…

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  71. @Buffalo Joe
    HELP PLEASE Yesterday on SF Gate (San Francisco Chronicle online) they had two article about push back against Newsum's beach closures and an Op Ed from the WaPo where Harvard doctors and biologists said it was important to get out for both you physical and mental health. The doctors stated little chance of infection under normal activity, using social distancing. Today I can not find the articles against Newsum or the WaPo op-ed. And for those you don't know NYS, we have miles of lake front beaches, but way to chilly too swim. However, there are fishermen out in boats because we have world class fresh water fishing and Cuomo re opened the boat launching ramps. Trout season is open so walking a stream is good too.

    Replies: @AnonAnon, @J.Ross

    This one? Early studies do not appear to support California beach and park closures

    A link to the WaPo Op Ed is in the above SF Gate article.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @AnonAnon

    AnonAnon, Bingo! Have to scan the article and you will find a link to the WaPo Op-Ed. Thank you and worth reading what the doctors said.

  72. res says:
    @wren
    Perhaps one of the best things people can do if they are concerned about the virus is get a little sunshine every day.

    I am proselytizing for people to get a little sun and vitamin D every day.

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3585561

    Someone's summary:

    “Just under half (49.7%) of cases had normal vitamin D status, and only 4% of them died. Just over a quarter (27%) had insufficient vitamin D status, and most of them (88%) died. Just under a quarter (23%) had deficient vitamin D status, and almost all of them (99%) died.”

    As someone has said, vitamin D may be a marker for positive health effects from sunshine, not as the reason for good health itself.

    https://www.outsideonline.com/2380751/sunscreen-sun-exposure-skin-cancer-science

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @res

    Thanks for that link. Here are the vitamin D levels corresponding to their statuses.

    1) normal – serum 25(OH)D of > 30 ng/ml, (2) insufficient – serum 25(OH)D of 21-29 ng/ml, and (3) deficient – serum 25(OH)D of < 20 ng/ml

    Those are fairly conventional numbers. Some doctors advocate for even lower thresholds:
    https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/vitamin-d-whats-right-level-2016121910893

    This article has a graphic which in conjunction with the numbers from that paper should give some food for thought.
    https://www.cooperinstitute.org/2017/09/22/vitamin-d-levels-in-the-us-population-are-getting-a-little-better-15776

    Table 1 of your paper has the numbers backing up your summary. It also gives demographic information for over/under 50, male/female, and with/out comorbidity.

    Table 2 and 3 have results for univariate models and Vitamin D status in a multivariate model respectively. After adjusting for age, sex, and comorbidity the mortality odds ratios for vitamin D status only drop from 12.55 to 7.63 for Insufficient and from 19.12 to 10.12 for deficient. For perspective, the univariate ORs for the other variables are 10.45 for 50 or older, 5.73 for male, and 11.24 for comorbidity. It would have helped if they had given the odds ratios for those variables in the multivariate model for comparison.

    Given how the odds ratios stays so elevated in the multivariate model I don’t think they were only detecting vitamin D status as a proxy for good health.

    P.S. Worth noting that the paper is from Indonesia and has not yet been peer reviewed.

    • Replies: @wren
    @res

    Wow, that chart of vitamin D status of various ethnicities is really eye opening in light of the Outside Magazine article claiming that sunshine promotes a strong immune system and other health benefits. The article implied that Black people in northern latitudes don't get enough sun exposure and are thus at risk of various health issues. Vitamin D is just one benefit, but not the cause of all the health benefits.

    This would suggest that we would see a difference in black mortality rates in the north and south from this current virus.

    Are we seeing differences in the fatality rates in Detroit, New York and New Jersey compared to Louisiana, Georgia and Florida?

    There may be something very important going on here, and it is not merely vitamin D.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  73. So, here’s a simple way to ease back in: On May 1, the beach parking lots are only open to cars with license plates ending in a 1, on May 2, only open to plates ending in a 2, etc. Then from May 11 to May 20 or beyond, then odd-even license plates.

    But that would be too reasonable.

    Steve, get out of the closest and get some sunshine/vitamin D. You aren’t even trying anymore.

    California:
    40% Hispanic — they go on the “Mexican” day
    36% American whites — they go on the “white” day
    15% Asian — they go on the “fringe” day
    7% Black — they also are in the “fringe” day
    2% Native American — they can chose whichever day they want
    .5% Hawaiian PI — they can share the fringe day
    4% Mixed/multiple — they are in the “fringe” day; unless identify and are visibly and DNA test as 50%+ Mex or white

    Since i’ve heard my whole life how Jews and blacks are “allies” in the valiant struggle against … oh … people like me whose ancestors built America, the Jews get to share the blacks’ beach day.

    If any doubt about ethnicity of person showing up, DNA test.

    White, Mex and Fringe days will rotate around within the week, so you’ll have one of the two weekend days two out of three weeks.

    • LOL: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @AnotherDad

    Another Dad, multiple stories can be found on line about Blacks drowning more often then Whites. Steve has featured some. So now you want Blacks at the beach with no White swimmers around to save them. You must be a racist.

  74. @Harry Baldwin
    @wren

    Don't forget to factor in that a high number of those who have died are in nursing homes where they don't get any sun at all. They would be likely to die anyway, vitamin D or no vitamin D.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Don’t forget to factor in that a high number of those who have died are in nursing homes where they don’t get any sun at all. They would be likely to die anyway, vitamin D or no vitamin D.

    True. And you’re welcome to leave that Vitamin D on the Costco shelf for me and my family.

    My take: it’s notable that white people evolved–and Asians independently evolved–*much* lighter skin when they moved to high latitude. Just for fun?

    And most white people–living in temperate climates, inside looking at screen–do not get even the litle dose of sun on their faces that my Irish ancestors would have gotten herding sheep on the moorland.

    And they particularly do not get it … during “cold and flu” season!

  75. Having viewed the first photograph it is safe to say that anyone with even passing familiarity with photography (still or video) can see that it was shot with a telephoto lens. Telephoto lenses, like wide-angle lenses, necessarily distort distances. Telephoto lenses compress distance, making objects seem closer than they actually are while wide angle lenses (as the name implies) broaden distances, making objects seem further apart than they actually are. When I first went to the LA Coliseum I was struck by how relatively “compact” it actually was–ditto for the Rose Bowl– compared to the images on the television screen which made it look as deep and as wide as the Grand Canyon. If you watch a football game the image on the screen often makes the field seem a mile wide when in fact it’s only a little over 50 yards wide.

    It never ceases to amaze how the use of a camera can distort the truth.

    • Replies: @res
    @Prester John

    Thanks. For understanding this it is helpful to know about the concept of a normal lens.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_lens


    In photography and cinematography, a normal lens is a lens that reproduces a field of view that appears "natural" to a human observer. In contrast, depth compression and expansion with shorter or longer focal lengths introduces noticeable, and sometimes disturbing, distortion.
     
    For a full frame 35mm camera that is (per that page) 43.3 mm. Hence the popularity of 35 mm and 50 mm lenses which are usually used as normal lenses there (in particular, the latter).

    Much more about why the 50mm lens became a standard.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/05/how-the-50-mm-lens-became-normal/560276/

    Replies: @Anonymous

  76. @Anonymous
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    From it's earliest stages, Covid in NYC has largely been driven by Orthodox Jews (OJ's?).

    Even Israel's ban on immigration was basically an attempt to keep American OJ's out. For perspective, there are Israeli OJ enclaves, where as of a month ago, the infection rate was believed to be around 30%. If the recent antibody tests are any measure, you're probably looking at an OJ population that's completely infected. Suspect NYC is no different.

    Plus OJ's tend to be young because of the birth rate, so there is a low mortality rate. They are probably already at herd immunity. They are highly anti-social and socially parasitic, so they don't care if they infect the rest of the city.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @IHTG, @Mr. Anon

    OJ. Is that like OG?

    That Chaim Mertz……….he’s OJ, man.

    Was CoV really spread by hasidim, or by people (especially, perhaps, homeless people) riding the subway? My money is on the subway.

  77. @Anonymous
    Off-topic, but I recently watched "Midway" with my kids and was surprised to see a blatant Orwellian erasing of history. I checked through the comments to your review of the movie and noticed that none of those who discussed the movie noticed, as you did not.
    What was erased? The Fighting Six! VF-6, the Enterprise's fighter squadron. Nowhere is there even one image of an F4F in the whole movie, let alone any depictions of air battles between the Wildcats and Zeros. I would have thought that the first use of the Thach Weave in combat would have merited at least as much screen time as movie director John Ford got.
    My kids were excited to see grandpa's unit depicted in a movie and then...--nothing. And I was left trying to explain. I couldn't.
    The episode brought home to me how easy it will be with the new digital video technology to seemlessly alter the past and depictions of major historical events.

    https://i.imgur.com/SEXoSru.jpg

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @BenKenobi, @Pericles, @Neuday

    I would have thought that the first use of the Thach Weave in combat would have merited at least as much screen time as movie director John Ford got.

    Be thankful they omitted the VF-6, for they just as easily could have injected heroic sassy black women as the pilots and the Thach Weave would’ve taken on a whole new meaning.

  78. @Achmed E. Newman
    Steve, I just want to say that you are doing a great job with this expose, so to speak, of the telephoto lens trickery. Many may have been subconsciously noting this, but you noticed it and spelled in out for us (and hopefully others) nicely. Thank you for the nice work with this.

    BTW, is 6 ft separation REALLY necessary out in the sunshine with the wind blowing and UV rays falling like mad?

    This ban on outdoor activities has been egregious, as some people don't have time to get to the beach or National Park in normal times, but at least could have made this non-paid vacation into a decent time. Personally, I think more people should have pushed back like I have. My family is another story, but I have been ignoring lots of the BS, even at work. I had a guy tell me "it's just about following the rules". These authoritarian personality types are taking this country straight to hell.

    Replies: @Federalist, @Mr. Anon, @J.Ross

    Personally, I think more people should have pushed back like I have. My family is another story, but I have been ignoring lots of the BS, even at work. I had a guy tell me “it’s just about following the rules”. These authoritarian personality types are taking this country straight to hell.

    That’s one thing that has particularly struck me about all this – the degree to which America has become a country of slavish order-followers. Yeah, sure, I realize that to some degree (perhaps to a large degree) we always were. But it wasn’t so obvious. You didn’t used to have people so internalize the rule from above to the point where they’ll look you in the face (well, not anymore – that’s not allowed) and tell you “you have to obey orders”.

    Most of our public culture is built around the idea of the loner, the free-spirit, the rebel, the maverick, the person bravely going their own way, finding their own path, yada, yada, yada.

    And it’s all bullshit. When it gets down to it, we’re all prussian bureaucrats, sighing out “Befehl is befehl”. It’s especially noteworthy among the Boomers, as it’s such an aboutface from the conception they had of themselves.

    • Agree: Federalist
    • Replies: @eD
    @Mr. Anon

    "That’s one thing that has particularly struck me about all this – the degree to which America has become a country of slavish order-followers. "

    It gets even more striking when you compare poll results on issues as to whether the lockdowns should continue, or are you afraid to go to public places, on the USA compared to Old World countries. Americans are a real outlier. Only other English speaking countries come close.

    I do get the impression that this either wasn't the case in the past or hid much better, so I'm wondering what happened.

    Replies: @XYZ (no Mr.)

    , @Federalist
    @Mr. Anon


    . . . the degree to which America has become a country of slavish order-followers. . .

    Most of our public culture is built around the idea of the loner, the free-spirit, the rebel, the maverick, the person bravely going their own way, finding their own path, yada, yada, yada.
     
    That really is an excellent point. Think about the stories/myths/legends about America. (Of course, these American myths are not all or maybe not even mostly true.)

    People leaving everything and setting up colonies in the name of religious independence. A revolution against a king and plucky volunteers defeating that King's supposedly vastly superior professional army. Pioneers moving West. Cowboys. Rags to riches stories of a penniless man making it big on nothing but hard work and determination. Everyday, freedom-loving young men defeating the mindlessly order-following German and Japanese.

    Like I said, a lot of this is (or was) just what we wanted to believe. But what changed and when did it change that we apparently don't even want to kid ourselves that we are, as you described, free-spirited rebels going our own way?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  79. @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer



    I think alot of this is down to the oligarchy just trying to keep the unwashed multitudes in their hovels
     
    That’s definitely the attitude in Malibu.
     
    We should replace "deplorables" with that darling term brought home by our boys in the "first" Gulf war: sandni;;er.

    Just like when they say "privilege", you reply, "Oh, you mean 'genocide.'"

    The formulation of the crime may be as follows: "Whoever, while participating in a conspiracy to destroy a national, racial or religious group, undertakes an attack against life, liberty or property of members of such groups is guilty of the crime of genocide. (Rafael Lemkin [who coined the term], "Genocide", American Scholar, Volume 15, no. 2 (April 1946), p. 227–230)
     
    Rather than counter their charges, we should ramp them up.

    Replies: @Neuday

    Whoever, while participating in a conspiracy to destroy a national, racial or religious group, undertakes an attack against life, liberty or property of members of such groups is guilty of the crime of genocide.

    Then, clearly, advocating immigration is genocide.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Neuday


    Then, clearly, advocating immigration is genocide.
     
    Yeah, but when you say that, you sound whiny. It bombs. Ramping up charges of "racism" or "white privilege" to genocide puts the other side on the defensive. (And whiny as well, if they're not white.)
  80. @Achmed E. Newman
    Steve, I just want to say that you are doing a great job with this expose, so to speak, of the telephoto lens trickery. Many may have been subconsciously noting this, but you noticed it and spelled in out for us (and hopefully others) nicely. Thank you for the nice work with this.

    BTW, is 6 ft separation REALLY necessary out in the sunshine with the wind blowing and UV rays falling like mad?

    This ban on outdoor activities has been egregious, as some people don't have time to get to the beach or National Park in normal times, but at least could have made this non-paid vacation into a decent time. Personally, I think more people should have pushed back like I have. My family is another story, but I have been ignoring lots of the BS, even at work. I had a guy tell me "it's just about following the rules". These authoritarian personality types are taking this country straight to hell.

    Replies: @Federalist, @Mr. Anon, @J.Ross

    Dr Oz’s modification is “within 6′ for 10 minutes = assume exposure.” So you could be closer so long as you’re just passing by.

  81. @Buffalo Joe
    HELP PLEASE Yesterday on SF Gate (San Francisco Chronicle online) they had two article about push back against Newsum's beach closures and an Op Ed from the WaPo where Harvard doctors and biologists said it was important to get out for both you physical and mental health. The doctors stated little chance of infection under normal activity, using social distancing. Today I can not find the articles against Newsum or the WaPo op-ed. And for those you don't know NYS, we have miles of lake front beaches, but way to chilly too swim. However, there are fishermen out in boats because we have world class fresh water fishing and Cuomo re opened the boat launching ramps. Trout season is open so walking a stream is good too.

    Replies: @AnonAnon, @J.Ross

    Have you got authors or exact wording of titles?

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @J.Ross

    J, thank you AnonAnon found it for me and it is worth reading.his comment is #71

  82. @Mr McKenna
    Ah, New York. They're not social distancing properly but at least they're wearing masks!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=108&v=Ijo5KW6J2dE&feature=emb_logo

    Fun starts around 1:40 -- not sure I can get it to cue properly.

    Replies: @Cortes, @Bill Jones, @MB

    Finally somebody starts treating the scum like they deserve.

  83. @Imma StirCrazyous
    Found on a beach in California.

    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/d2sAAOSwZ8tbq45N/s-l400.jpg

    On the base was a fragment of a poem.

    "Give me your quarantined, your bored,
    Your sheltered-in-place masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your locked-down front door,
    Send these, the home-bound, over-bossed to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the sandy, golden shore!"

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @MB

    Hey, give me liberty or six feet and a face mask and I’ll shut up.
    (Blindfold optional.)

  84. “Shouldn’t somebody at the New York Times be familiar with the oldest trick in articles about crowded beaches: using a telephoto lens?”

    Assuming that this trick is being played on them, Mr. Sailer.

    “So, here’s a simple way to ease back in: On May 1, the beach parking lots are only open to cars with license plates ending in a 1, on May 2, only open to plates ending in a 2, etc. Then from May 11 to May 20 or beyond, then odd-even license plates. But that would be too reasonable.”

    That was already addressed in reasonable fashion.

    Hat Tip –> Anon[506] • Disclaimer

    I fear that the license plate scheme would lead to the “New York Rent a Dog” problem: People would lend out their cars to others. Also, why wouldn’t people just swarm in via Uber, or is Uber outlawed? Finally, beach openings would most end up as household mixings, which is what lockdown is supposed to prevent. The unit of quarantine is the household, not the family, not the social friend group, not the romantic partner pair. Individual quarantine would be ideal, but the realities of living spaces prevent it. But a lot of people will end up meeting friends at the beach, or picking them up in their last-digit legal cars (observing social distancing … not). So the license plate attempt to create rational, enforceable rules would end up creating end-runs around lock down.

    Hat Tip –> lambdaphagy

    Under ideal conditions, going to the beach is probably mildly protective against COVID-19: the risk of infection per contact is lower outdoors, and vitamin D may help some.

    Under average conditions, going to the beach is probably mildly protective except when someone coughs on you in the public restrooms, or jogs past you and leaves a trail of ‘rona in their wake.

    Under pessimistic conditions, going to the beach invites people to throw tailgate parties and lick each other’s faces.

    Ideally you would leave open the theoretically safe amenities, and just police the actually unsafe behavior. In practice, however, that means defaulting to some cop’s interpretation of unsafe behavior and willingness to police it. Unfortunately, the logic of exponential growth suggests that it doesn’t take too many additional infections to make the beaches net negative for CA.

    The basic problem is that a general population that was on the ball enough to use beaches responsibly wouldn’t be in this situation in the first place. Newport Beach may seem Properly Socially Distanced (at least from one photograph), but a brief glance at the zip code demographics suggests that Newport Beach may be something of an outlier in Modern California. When you’re the governor, you have to plan for the average case.

    Perhaps we could wait for a solid trend of declining deaths before we think about easing our foot off of the brakes.

    I am merely observing that “keep the beaches open” is a strategy that depends on high conscientiousness. High-C people will tend to do ok, and Low-C people will tend to suffer.

    And maybe we’re ok with that. I just find it striking that it so neatly parallels a broader trend that Steve’s criticized for years: a liberalization of social norms that replaced hard and fast rules with contextual judgments, allowing elites to party a little harder in college while the social fabric of the working classes disintegrated.

    Again, not so much taking a side here as gesturing at the tragic condition.

  85. @Achmed E. Newman
    @danand

    Listen, Dan, if it's not explicitly permitted, then it's banned. That's life in the USSA.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Corvinus

    “Listen, Dan, if it’s not explicitly permitted, then it’s banned. That’s life in the USSA.”

    According to Who/Whom?

  86. Anonymous[322] • Disclaimer says:

    But sunshine is supposed to help kill the virus. It’s why I think the infection and death rates are so much lower in Southeast Asia than Northeast Asia. Singapore is an exception because being the only OECD country in that region, most of its residents are always in and out of air conditioning, and do not see much sun. The quarantine that shutters everyone inside arguably makes things worse. The recent outbreak there came overwhelmingly from migrant workers from Bangladesh who were cooped up in a densely packed high rise apartment building.

    • Replies: @wren
    @Anonymous

    UV light from the sun does kill the virus quickly, but check my comment above for why sunshine promotes a strong immune system.

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Anonymous

    Well, let's face it, respiratory diseases transmitted by coughing, like TB for instance, are always going to be transmitted more indoors than outdoors.

    That's why countries like the Dominican Republic and Haiti are always going to be hit less hard than indoor countries, because most of their people are outdoors most of the time, whereas here in the US most people spend most of their workday in air conditioned buildings where you can't even open the windows.

    In DR and Haiti most of the restaurants and bars are outdoors or semi outdoors, so are auto repair shops, street markets, and many other businesses. Also many people work on the land. On the other hand, public transportation is extremely crowded and may provide a vector for transmission that is much less likely somewhere like Florida, where the personal vehicle reigns supreme.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton

  87. @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    That's definitely the attitude in Malibu.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Corvinus, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “That’s definitely the attitude in Malibu.”

    Because they built it, not us. Their property, their rules, right? Although, the world-famous Malibu coastline does offer 27 miles of scenic public beaches. Perhaps the white rich and famous there do not seek to keep the unwashed multitudes in their hovels?

    Then again…

    https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/17/us/billionaires-beach-malibu-public-access/index.html

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Corvinus

    Corvi, There are 27 miles of "scenic beach" in Malibu and at 5280 feet per mile that is 142,560 feet of sandy shoreline. Divide 142,560 feet by six feet per sun bather and you can have 23,760 "socially distancing" beach goers in one straight line. Drop back 6 feet and add another 23,760 surfers and 6 more feet to add another 23,760 and 6 feet more for another 23,760 freedom loving Califorians. So, with four parallel lines of sand covered sun seekers you can have 95,040 Newsum naysayers at the beach. Doubt that the beaches are only 24 feet wide, that would be a very narrow beach. Lots of room. Stay safe. Get some sun.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Corvinus

    "Perhaps the white rich and famous there do not seek to keep the unwashed multitudes in their hovels?"

    Why do you hate white people? Have you anointed yourself as their superior? If so, what makes you think that they will abide by your memo?

    Replies: @Corvinus

  88. Fortunately, this photo includes numbered lifeguard towers, so we can match it up against a map.

    The towers are a tell about compression.

    But you don’t even need this to debunk the “message” of this sort of photo.

    Just look at the foreground. What do you see? Sand.

    Look at the foreground and what do you see–people spread out on the sand with *plenty* of distance between them.

    ~~

    That’s the nature of “outside”.

    People can actually be “packed” in an indoor venue or even an outdoor venue–say a concert–that is constrained in two dimensions. But true “outdoors” is hard to get truly “packed”.

    Even “the beach” which collapses one dimension down to say 50 yards, you need a lot of people to “pack” it.

    Back of envelope: A couple–give them 4ft to share and 6ft to the next couple. That’s 500 couples or 1000 people per linear beach mile. If your beach is 50 yards you can fit say 10 such rows (15ft per row) parallel to the beach. That’s 10,000 people per beach mile.

    LA density is about 8000/sqmi for the city and 3000/sqmi for the metro area. You can fit a few metro square miles of people in a mile of beach.

    There are probably roughly 100 miles of beach from Ventura down to the Marine base. At any given time you could fit about 1 million people on these beaches … with adequate “social distancing”. Ok, i’ve been to some that aren’t 50 yards wide. But cut this in half or a quarter, still a *lot* of people–100s of thousands–can be on the LA metro beaches at any given time without an issue.

  89. anon[368] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alexander Turok
    There are a lot of people who whine about "muh liberty" in this comment section, I'd like to know what you think of my proposal to offer you your liberty back. The bill will do two things.

    First, it will establish a set of symbols people can wear as badges. I’m thinking of three symbols, one for the immune, one for those working from home or not working and who live alone or with others who work from home or don’t work, and one for those working outside the home or living with someone working outside the home and who follow all social distancing regulations. It will be illegal to use the badges falsely or otherwise claim that you’re part of a group you aren’t part of.(e.g. “I’m immune but forgot my badge.”) This is no violation of liberty: there is no right to impersonate a police officer or infringe someone else’s copyright.

    Second, individuals who want to be exempt from social distancing regulations will have the option to register and become exempt. You could do it online, with a name, SSN, and webcam video, or at your local police station. Once you do so, you can wear none of the badges.* You gain your liberty back; in exchange, you must recognize everyone else’s liberty with respect to your behavior. So that means if a business considers you a danger to their customers, they have the right to exclude from their premises. If you object to the government confining you to your home, how can you demand the government forcibly open the doors of someone’s business to you? If they don’t want to hire you, don’t want to serve you, want to segregate you within, or restrict you to special hours, you’ll respect their right to do so. Likewise, the medical system will have the right to move you to the back of the line for any medical treatment. The insurance companies will be allowed to announce that they will not cover corona treatment for anyone who signs up to be exempt. (Now, if they say they will cover corona treatment and don’t do it, that’s still fraud.) Medicare/medicaid can refuse to pay for corona treatment as well. You may say it’s a violation of liberty to tax you and deny you the benefits of those taxes. Is it also a violation of liberty to deny welfare to drug users? I don’t see it that way, I see it as the government commonsensically directing aid to those who didn’t make choices that caused them to need the aid.

    If you regret your decision there could be an “enhanced quarantine” procedure you can go through, say, 14 days completely alone, after which you can wear the badges again. And, of course, if you get it and become immune you can wear that badge.

    Replies: @anon, @eD, @Ron Mexico, @alt right moderate, @AnotherDad

    There are a lot of people who whine about “muh liberty” in this comment section, I’d like to know what you think of my proposal to offer you your liberty back. The bill will do two things.

    Bill? Who’s this Bill? Something from a legislature? Doesn’t the Baron governor have total power to rule in the name of the people or something?

    First, it will establish a set of symbols people can wear as badges.

  90. wren says:
    @res
    @wren

    Thanks for that link. Here are the vitamin D levels corresponding to their statuses.


    1) normal - serum 25(OH)D of > 30 ng/ml, (2) insufficient - serum 25(OH)D of 21-29 ng/ml, and (3) deficient - serum 25(OH)D of < 20 ng/ml
     
    Those are fairly conventional numbers. Some doctors advocate for even lower thresholds:
    https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/vitamin-d-whats-right-level-2016121910893

    This article has a graphic which in conjunction with the numbers from that paper should give some food for thought.
    https://www.cooperinstitute.org/2017/09/22/vitamin-d-levels-in-the-us-population-are-getting-a-little-better-15776

    https://www.cooperinstitute.org/vault/2440/web/images/Vitamin%20D%20Status%20of%203%20US%20Ethnic%20Groups%20-%20Fig%202.png

    Table 1 of your paper has the numbers backing up your summary. It also gives demographic information for over/under 50, male/female, and with/out comorbidity.

    Table 2 and 3 have results for univariate models and Vitamin D status in a multivariate model respectively. After adjusting for age, sex, and comorbidity the mortality odds ratios for vitamin D status only drop from 12.55 to 7.63 for Insufficient and from 19.12 to 10.12 for deficient. For perspective, the univariate ORs for the other variables are 10.45 for 50 or older, 5.73 for male, and 11.24 for comorbidity. It would have helped if they had given the odds ratios for those variables in the multivariate model for comparison.

    Given how the odds ratios stays so elevated in the multivariate model I don't think they were only detecting vitamin D status as a proxy for good health.

    P.S. Worth noting that the paper is from Indonesia and has not yet been peer reviewed.

    Replies: @wren

    Wow, that chart of vitamin D status of various ethnicities is really eye opening in light of the Outside Magazine article claiming that sunshine promotes a strong immune system and other health benefits. The article implied that Black people in northern latitudes don’t get enough sun exposure and are thus at risk of various health issues. Vitamin D is just one benefit, but not the cause of all the health benefits.

    This would suggest that we would see a difference in black mortality rates in the north and south from this current virus.

    Are we seeing differences in the fatality rates in Detroit, New York and New Jersey compared to Louisiana, Georgia and Florida?

    There may be something very important going on here, and it is not merely vitamin D.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @wren

    wren, think of all the outside activities you can do in sunshine. Now think of all the times you saw blacks participating. The few times I go to a pro sports game, outside in daylight, I see few blacks. Hiking, biking, canoeing, kayaking, skiing, swimming ,golfing,fishing, tennis, soccer not too many blacks.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

  91. @Anonymous
    But sunshine is supposed to help kill the virus. It's why I think the infection and death rates are so much lower in Southeast Asia than Northeast Asia. Singapore is an exception because being the only OECD country in that region, most of its residents are always in and out of air conditioning, and do not see much sun. The quarantine that shutters everyone inside arguably makes things worse. The recent outbreak there came overwhelmingly from migrant workers from Bangladesh who were cooped up in a densely packed high rise apartment building.

    Replies: @wren, @Jonathan Mason

    UV light from the sun does kill the virus quickly, but check my comment above for why sunshine promotes a strong immune system.

  92. @Alexander Turok
    There are a lot of people who whine about "muh liberty" in this comment section, I'd like to know what you think of my proposal to offer you your liberty back. The bill will do two things.

    First, it will establish a set of symbols people can wear as badges. I’m thinking of three symbols, one for the immune, one for those working from home or not working and who live alone or with others who work from home or don’t work, and one for those working outside the home or living with someone working outside the home and who follow all social distancing regulations. It will be illegal to use the badges falsely or otherwise claim that you’re part of a group you aren’t part of.(e.g. “I’m immune but forgot my badge.”) This is no violation of liberty: there is no right to impersonate a police officer or infringe someone else’s copyright.

    Second, individuals who want to be exempt from social distancing regulations will have the option to register and become exempt. You could do it online, with a name, SSN, and webcam video, or at your local police station. Once you do so, you can wear none of the badges.* You gain your liberty back; in exchange, you must recognize everyone else’s liberty with respect to your behavior. So that means if a business considers you a danger to their customers, they have the right to exclude from their premises. If you object to the government confining you to your home, how can you demand the government forcibly open the doors of someone’s business to you? If they don’t want to hire you, don’t want to serve you, want to segregate you within, or restrict you to special hours, you’ll respect their right to do so. Likewise, the medical system will have the right to move you to the back of the line for any medical treatment. The insurance companies will be allowed to announce that they will not cover corona treatment for anyone who signs up to be exempt. (Now, if they say they will cover corona treatment and don’t do it, that’s still fraud.) Medicare/medicaid can refuse to pay for corona treatment as well. You may say it’s a violation of liberty to tax you and deny you the benefits of those taxes. Is it also a violation of liberty to deny welfare to drug users? I don’t see it that way, I see it as the government commonsensically directing aid to those who didn’t make choices that caused them to need the aid.

    If you regret your decision there could be an “enhanced quarantine” procedure you can go through, say, 14 days completely alone, after which you can wear the badges again. And, of course, if you get it and become immune you can wear that badge.

    Replies: @anon, @eD, @Ron Mexico, @alt right moderate, @AnotherDad

    I didn’t hit the Troll button on this one, but the outcast group must wear special badges in public idea really moves towards there.

    • Replies: @Alexander Turok
    @eD

    No one is required to wear badges. People are forbidden from usurping the badges.

  93. @AnonAnon
    @Buffalo Joe

    This one? Early studies do not appear to support California beach and park closures

    A link to the WaPo Op Ed is in the above SF Gate article.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    AnonAnon, Bingo! Have to scan the article and you will find a link to the WaPo Op-Ed. Thank you and worth reading what the doctors said.

  94. eD says:
    @Mr. Anon
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Personally, I think more people should have pushed back like I have. My family is another story, but I have been ignoring lots of the BS, even at work. I had a guy tell me “it’s just about following the rules”. These authoritarian personality types are taking this country straight to hell.
     
    That's one thing that has particularly struck me about all this - the degree to which America has become a country of slavish order-followers. Yeah, sure, I realize that to some degree (perhaps to a large degree) we always were. But it wasn't so obvious. You didn't used to have people so internalize the rule from above to the point where they'll look you in the face (well, not anymore - that's not allowed) and tell you "you have to obey orders".

    Most of our public culture is built around the idea of the loner, the free-spirit, the rebel, the maverick, the person bravely going their own way, finding their own path, yada, yada, yada.

    And it's all bullshit. When it gets down to it, we're all prussian bureaucrats, sighing out "Befehl is befehl". It's especially noteworthy among the Boomers, as it's such an aboutface from the conception they had of themselves.

    Replies: @eD, @Federalist

    “That’s one thing that has particularly struck me about all this – the degree to which America has become a country of slavish order-followers. ”

    It gets even more striking when you compare poll results on issues as to whether the lockdowns should continue, or are you afraid to go to public places, on the USA compared to Old World countries. Americans are a real outlier. Only other English speaking countries come close.

    I do get the impression that this either wasn’t the case in the past or hid much better, so I’m wondering what happened.

    • Replies: @XYZ (no Mr.)
    @eD

    I am curious about the nature of the polling questions.

    I recently read an opinion piece about how only 20 percent of Americans want the lockdowns to end and America return to normal life.

    Of course, I want most of the lockdowns to end, but that does not mean dumping a lot of the social distancing protocols we have in place, i.e., wear masks when suitable, keep 6 ft distance from strangers as much as possible, less dense dining, not have concerts or large crowds yet, etc etc.

    That is not remotely a return to normal life. But it would put a lot of people back to work. Almost all businesses should be open.

    But I have a feeling many polls would put me in with the 80 percent. And so I miraculously become a supporter of Gavin Newsom's policies, grouped in with people afraid to go outside, or even people parking nearby to go to the beach.

    Replies: @eD

  95. @Alexander Turok
    There are a lot of people who whine about "muh liberty" in this comment section, I'd like to know what you think of my proposal to offer you your liberty back. The bill will do two things.

    First, it will establish a set of symbols people can wear as badges. I’m thinking of three symbols, one for the immune, one for those working from home or not working and who live alone or with others who work from home or don’t work, and one for those working outside the home or living with someone working outside the home and who follow all social distancing regulations. It will be illegal to use the badges falsely or otherwise claim that you’re part of a group you aren’t part of.(e.g. “I’m immune but forgot my badge.”) This is no violation of liberty: there is no right to impersonate a police officer or infringe someone else’s copyright.

    Second, individuals who want to be exempt from social distancing regulations will have the option to register and become exempt. You could do it online, with a name, SSN, and webcam video, or at your local police station. Once you do so, you can wear none of the badges.* You gain your liberty back; in exchange, you must recognize everyone else’s liberty with respect to your behavior. So that means if a business considers you a danger to their customers, they have the right to exclude from their premises. If you object to the government confining you to your home, how can you demand the government forcibly open the doors of someone’s business to you? If they don’t want to hire you, don’t want to serve you, want to segregate you within, or restrict you to special hours, you’ll respect their right to do so. Likewise, the medical system will have the right to move you to the back of the line for any medical treatment. The insurance companies will be allowed to announce that they will not cover corona treatment for anyone who signs up to be exempt. (Now, if they say they will cover corona treatment and don’t do it, that’s still fraud.) Medicare/medicaid can refuse to pay for corona treatment as well. You may say it’s a violation of liberty to tax you and deny you the benefits of those taxes. Is it also a violation of liberty to deny welfare to drug users? I don’t see it that way, I see it as the government commonsensically directing aid to those who didn’t make choices that caused them to need the aid.

    If you regret your decision there could be an “enhanced quarantine” procedure you can go through, say, 14 days completely alone, after which you can wear the badges again. And, of course, if you get it and become immune you can wear that badge.

    Replies: @anon, @eD, @Ron Mexico, @alt right moderate, @AnotherDad

    Can a 4th group badge be added: 2FUQS

  96. @AnotherDad


    So, here’s a simple way to ease back in: On May 1, the beach parking lots are only open to cars with license plates ending in a 1, on May 2, only open to plates ending in a 2, etc. Then from May 11 to May 20 or beyond, then odd-even license plates.

    But that would be too reasonable.
     
    Steve, get out of the closest and get some sunshine/vitamin D. You aren't even trying anymore.

    California:
    40% Hispanic -- they go on the "Mexican" day
    36% American whites -- they go on the "white" day
    15% Asian -- they go on the "fringe" day
    7% Black -- they also are in the "fringe" day
    2% Native American -- they can chose whichever day they want
    .5% Hawaiian PI -- they can share the fringe day
    4% Mixed/multiple -- they are in the "fringe" day; unless identify and are visibly and DNA test as 50%+ Mex or white

    Since i've heard my whole life how Jews and blacks are "allies" in the valiant struggle against ... oh ... people like me whose ancestors built America, the Jews get to share the blacks' beach day.

    If any doubt about ethnicity of person showing up, DNA test.

    White, Mex and Fringe days will rotate around within the week, so you'll have one of the two weekend days two out of three weeks.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Another Dad, multiple stories can be found on line about Blacks drowning more often then Whites. Steve has featured some. So now you want Blacks at the beach with no White swimmers around to save them. You must be a racist.

  97. res says:
    @Prester John
    Having viewed the first photograph it is safe to say that anyone with even passing familiarity with photography (still or video) can see that it was shot with a telephoto lens. Telephoto lenses, like wide-angle lenses, necessarily distort distances. Telephoto lenses compress distance, making objects seem closer than they actually are while wide angle lenses (as the name implies) broaden distances, making objects seem further apart than they actually are. When I first went to the LA Coliseum I was struck by how relatively "compact" it actually was--ditto for the Rose Bowl-- compared to the images on the television screen which made it look as deep and as wide as the Grand Canyon. If you watch a football game the image on the screen often makes the field seem a mile wide when in fact it's only a little over 50 yards wide.

    It never ceases to amaze how the use of a camera can distort the truth.

    Replies: @res

    Thanks. For understanding this it is helpful to know about the concept of a normal lens.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_lens

    In photography and cinematography, a normal lens is a lens that reproduces a field of view that appears “natural” to a human observer. In contrast, depth compression and expansion with shorter or longer focal lengths introduces noticeable, and sometimes disturbing, distortion.

    For a full frame 35mm camera that is (per that page) 43.3 mm. Hence the popularity of 35 mm and 50 mm lenses which are usually used as normal lenses there (in particular, the latter).

    Much more about why the 50mm lens became a standard.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/05/how-the-50-mm-lens-became-normal/560276/

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @res

    I always thought the 24x36 aspect ratio of standard 35mm was unfortunate and thought 24x 30 would be better but camera makers refused to offer the option.

    Film camera practices, in retrospect were odd.

  98. @J.Ross
    @Buffalo Joe

    Have you got authors or exact wording of titles?

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    J, thank you AnonAnon found it for me and it is worth reading.his comment is #71

  99. @Bill Jones
    @Buzz Mohawk

    So that explains why Iranian IED 's in Iraq had "Made in Iran" printed on the inside?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    I don’t know about that. My comment may have just been stupid.

    The important news is that our president has hired the prettiest press secretary in American history. She gave a press conference today, which is now a rarity. She did a good job. Trump sure knows how to pick “talent.”

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Either that photo doesn't do her justice, or you've forgotten your history.

    Dana Perino (press sec for the Smirking Chimp) was objectively way hotter.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/skap860an8e1r03/Perino.png?dl=1

    She's gone downhill since then... for some reason, she has since been fitted with one of those overly-white mouthguards that Americans think look like nice teeth.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  100. @Mr McKenna
    Did someone mention teeming shores? Here's a job I didn't even know existed.

    The EB-5 visa program encourages foreigners to fork over $500K a pop and be rewarded with green cards for their whole families. Intermediaries bundle the funds and loan them out to developers, pocketing fees along the way.

    "Fraud risks in the EB-5 program are constantly evolving," the Government Accountability Office wrote in a 2015 report on the program. Two years earlier, the Securities and Exchange Commission had to take emergency action to curtail fraud in the program. U.S. Citizens and Immigration Services officials "continually identify new fraud schemes," according to the GAO. Last year, one of the biggest money-raisers in the business, the U.S. Immigration Fund, alleged that a "desperate, bankrupt" Chicago attorney named Doug Litowitz and a Chinese-American woman named Zoe Ma (whose actual name is Xuejun Makhsous), engaged in "wonton [sic] fraudulent behavior," defaming USIF's projects and scaring off potential investors in order to earn legal fees. USIF is suing them for $23M.

    Read more at: https://www.bisnow.com/national/news/capital-markets/eb5-mastroianni-usif-brook-lenfest-doug-litowitz-defamation-lawsuit-chinese-97342

     

    I've never heard of bisnow before, but they scored two awesome sic zingers in this one article.

    Replies: @Midtown

    Wonton. Har.

  101. @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    That's definitely the attitude in Malibu.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Corvinus, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Wait, are the beaches in Malibu closed too? Or just to the public? In other words, it would make sense that if wealthy residents happen to live on the beach, then they’re allowed to go on it without any problems.

  102. @eD
    @Alexander Turok

    I didn't hit the Troll button on this one, but the outcast group must wear special badges in public idea really moves towards there.

    Replies: @Alexander Turok

    No one is required to wear badges. People are forbidden from usurping the badges.

  103. @eD
    @Mr. Anon

    "That’s one thing that has particularly struck me about all this – the degree to which America has become a country of slavish order-followers. "

    It gets even more striking when you compare poll results on issues as to whether the lockdowns should continue, or are you afraid to go to public places, on the USA compared to Old World countries. Americans are a real outlier. Only other English speaking countries come close.

    I do get the impression that this either wasn't the case in the past or hid much better, so I'm wondering what happened.

    Replies: @XYZ (no Mr.)

    I am curious about the nature of the polling questions.

    I recently read an opinion piece about how only 20 percent of Americans want the lockdowns to end and America return to normal life.

    Of course, I want most of the lockdowns to end, but that does not mean dumping a lot of the social distancing protocols we have in place, i.e., wear masks when suitable, keep 6 ft distance from strangers as much as possible, less dense dining, not have concerts or large crowds yet, etc etc.

    That is not remotely a return to normal life. But it would put a lot of people back to work. Almost all businesses should be open.

    But I have a feeling many polls would put me in with the 80 percent. And so I miraculously become a supporter of Gavin Newsom’s policies, grouped in with people afraid to go outside, or even people parking nearby to go to the beach.

    • Replies: @eD
    @XYZ (no Mr.)

    I now can't remember where I saw the polls (it wasn't 538.com, actually I think it was an anti-lockdown blog) but the point was they indicated that Americans were significantly more pro-lockdown than people in other countries. To make this comparison, the questions being slanted wouldn't matter, as long as they were pretty much the same in all the countries.

  104. @Mr McKenna
    I told y'all that this re-opening wasn't going to go well.
    But would y'all listen? Nooooo.....

    Woman falls to her death while posing for a photo on Turkish cliff after going for a walk to celebrate the end of coronavirus quarantine lockdown

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/04/30/08/27830168-8272613-image-a-5_1588231495142.jpg

    During the walk, Olesya decided to take a photo on the edge of a cliff with the waterfalls in the background.

    She climbed over the safety fence and started posing for the image in front of her friend, who has not been named. (Daily Mail)

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/04/30/08/27830170-8272613-image-a-10_1588231510152.jpg
     

    What can I say? The girl liked posing. Pipe down, you man-whores.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    Wann bet they counted her’s as a COVID-19 death?

    • LOL: Mr McKenna
  105. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Bill Jones

    I don't know about that. My comment may have just been stupid.

    The important news is that our president has hired the prettiest press secretary in American history. She gave a press conference today, which is now a rarity. She did a good job. Trump sure knows how to pick "talent."

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/05/01/15/12957644-6980825-image-m-23_1556720803145.jpg

    Replies: @Kratoklastes

    Either that photo doesn’t do her justice, or you’ve forgotten your history.

    Dana Perino (press sec for the Smirking Chimp) was objectively way hotter.

    She’s gone downhill since then… for some reason, she has since been fitted with one of those overly-white mouthguards that Americans think look like nice teeth.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Kratoklastes

    I'm not into midgets, but Dana does get points for being from Colorado. "Way" hotter though? Nah. Kayleigh wins the cocktail waitress / stripper-next-door category. Dana wins the hot lady executive contest.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna

  106. @Corvinus
    @Steve Sailer

    "That’s definitely the attitude in Malibu."

    Because they built it, not us. Their property, their rules, right? Although, the world-famous Malibu coastline does offer 27 miles of scenic public beaches. Perhaps the white rich and famous there do not seek to keep the unwashed multitudes in their hovels?

    Then again...

    https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/17/us/billionaires-beach-malibu-public-access/index.html

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Corvi, There are 27 miles of “scenic beach” in Malibu and at 5280 feet per mile that is 142,560 feet of sandy shoreline. Divide 142,560 feet by six feet per sun bather and you can have 23,760 “socially distancing” beach goers in one straight line. Drop back 6 feet and add another 23,760 surfers and 6 more feet to add another 23,760 and 6 feet more for another 23,760 freedom loving Califorians. So, with four parallel lines of sand covered sun seekers you can have 95,040 Newsum naysayers at the beach. Doubt that the beaches are only 24 feet wide, that would be a very narrow beach. Lots of room. Stay safe. Get some sun.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Buffalo Joe

    Except your math lesson is not rooted in reality. The 95,040 sun seekers will not be remaining in one place. Do they all have masks? More importantly as I pointed out (thanks Anon 506) earlier in the thread, "beach openings would most end up as household mixings, which is what lockdown is supposed to prevent. The unit of quarantine is the household, not the family, not the social friend group, not the romantic partner pair. Individual quarantine would be ideal, but the realities of living spaces prevent it".

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  107. @Mr. Anon
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Personally, I think more people should have pushed back like I have. My family is another story, but I have been ignoring lots of the BS, even at work. I had a guy tell me “it’s just about following the rules”. These authoritarian personality types are taking this country straight to hell.
     
    That's one thing that has particularly struck me about all this - the degree to which America has become a country of slavish order-followers. Yeah, sure, I realize that to some degree (perhaps to a large degree) we always were. But it wasn't so obvious. You didn't used to have people so internalize the rule from above to the point where they'll look you in the face (well, not anymore - that's not allowed) and tell you "you have to obey orders".

    Most of our public culture is built around the idea of the loner, the free-spirit, the rebel, the maverick, the person bravely going their own way, finding their own path, yada, yada, yada.

    And it's all bullshit. When it gets down to it, we're all prussian bureaucrats, sighing out "Befehl is befehl". It's especially noteworthy among the Boomers, as it's such an aboutface from the conception they had of themselves.

    Replies: @eD, @Federalist

    . . . the degree to which America has become a country of slavish order-followers. . .

    Most of our public culture is built around the idea of the loner, the free-spirit, the rebel, the maverick, the person bravely going their own way, finding their own path, yada, yada, yada.

    That really is an excellent point. Think about the stories/myths/legends about America. (Of course, these American myths are not all or maybe not even mostly true.)

    People leaving everything and setting up colonies in the name of religious independence. A revolution against a king and plucky volunteers defeating that King’s supposedly vastly superior professional army. Pioneers moving West. Cowboys. Rags to riches stories of a penniless man making it big on nothing but hard work and determination. Everyday, freedom-loving young men defeating the mindlessly order-following German and Japanese.

    Like I said, a lot of this is (or was) just what we wanted to believe. But what changed and when did it change that we apparently don’t even want to kid ourselves that we are, as you described, free-spirited rebels going our own way?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Federalist

    It's not even just the tried-and-true stories of our past - the Revolution, the frontier, the Cowboy, etc. Even today, the plot of virtually every movie or book hinges on the protagonist going their own way and doing their own thing. And that's across all genres: cop movies, spy-thrillers, rom-coms, feminist empowerment stories, you name it: Jack Reacher, Eat Pray Love, The Help, Twelve Years a Slave, The Shape of Water, whatever - it doesn't matter. The contemporary stories we consume are all about the rebel, the maverick, the lone hero. And now we consume those stories "locked-down" in our homes because the Governor told us to obey guidelines issued by people in white lab coats.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

  108. Another old photography trick: Hire photogenic people to represent you.


    Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany at today’s White House press conference

    And ordinary women aren’t allowed to get their hair done now. Let’s talk about their hair! Women’s hair salons are essential services!

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Buzz Mohawk


    And ordinary women aren’t allowed to get their hair done now. Let’s talk about their hair! Women’s hair salons are essential services!
     
    Looks like McEnany couldn't get her dark roots done either!
  109. @Neuday
    @Reg Cæsar


    Whoever, while participating in a conspiracy to destroy a national, racial or religious group, undertakes an attack against life, liberty or property of members of such groups is guilty of the crime of genocide.
     
    Then, clearly, advocating immigration is genocide.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Then, clearly, advocating immigration is genocide.

    Yeah, but when you say that, you sound whiny. It bombs. Ramping up charges of “racism” or “white privilege” to genocide puts the other side on the defensive. (And whiny as well, if they’re not white.)

  110. “Images of Packed Shores”

    “Huddled masses” has a better ring to it.

    • LOL: Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yup.

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Reg Cæsar

    Empty towels and half built sandcastles rotting on the beaches.

  111. @Alexander Turok
    There are a lot of people who whine about "muh liberty" in this comment section, I'd like to know what you think of my proposal to offer you your liberty back. The bill will do two things.

    First, it will establish a set of symbols people can wear as badges. I’m thinking of three symbols, one for the immune, one for those working from home or not working and who live alone or with others who work from home or don’t work, and one for those working outside the home or living with someone working outside the home and who follow all social distancing regulations. It will be illegal to use the badges falsely or otherwise claim that you’re part of a group you aren’t part of.(e.g. “I’m immune but forgot my badge.”) This is no violation of liberty: there is no right to impersonate a police officer or infringe someone else’s copyright.

    Second, individuals who want to be exempt from social distancing regulations will have the option to register and become exempt. You could do it online, with a name, SSN, and webcam video, or at your local police station. Once you do so, you can wear none of the badges.* You gain your liberty back; in exchange, you must recognize everyone else’s liberty with respect to your behavior. So that means if a business considers you a danger to their customers, they have the right to exclude from their premises. If you object to the government confining you to your home, how can you demand the government forcibly open the doors of someone’s business to you? If they don’t want to hire you, don’t want to serve you, want to segregate you within, or restrict you to special hours, you’ll respect their right to do so. Likewise, the medical system will have the right to move you to the back of the line for any medical treatment. The insurance companies will be allowed to announce that they will not cover corona treatment for anyone who signs up to be exempt. (Now, if they say they will cover corona treatment and don’t do it, that’s still fraud.) Medicare/medicaid can refuse to pay for corona treatment as well. You may say it’s a violation of liberty to tax you and deny you the benefits of those taxes. Is it also a violation of liberty to deny welfare to drug users? I don’t see it that way, I see it as the government commonsensically directing aid to those who didn’t make choices that caused them to need the aid.

    If you regret your decision there could be an “enhanced quarantine” procedure you can go through, say, 14 days completely alone, after which you can wear the badges again. And, of course, if you get it and become immune you can wear that badge.

    Replies: @anon, @eD, @Ron Mexico, @alt right moderate, @AnotherDad

    I think most people on this comment thread are simply complaining about media sensationalism, state hypocrisy and liberal/left hysteria in relation to this corona outbreak. I currently work at a place with about 15-25 employees which has never even had a dishwasher to wash your cups in. As a result I always bring a flask and have lunch in my car during flu season. Yet, the other day I get criticised for standing less than two metres from another employee in the car park on a warm sunny day. And all employees are now supposed to sign a 40-page corona rules guidebook and keep a log of their body temperature (failure to comply with any regulations now also means instant dismissal, even though normally staff members get numerous warnings for breaches rules). And all this in a semi-rural area where not even a single corona case has been recorded.

    Call me a right-libertarian extremist for calling for a little balance and common sense.

  112. @Kratoklastes
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Either that photo doesn't do her justice, or you've forgotten your history.

    Dana Perino (press sec for the Smirking Chimp) was objectively way hotter.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/skap860an8e1r03/Perino.png?dl=1

    She's gone downhill since then... for some reason, she has since been fitted with one of those overly-white mouthguards that Americans think look like nice teeth.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    I’m not into midgets, but Dana does get points for being from Colorado. “Way” hotter though? Nah. Kayleigh wins the cocktail waitress / stripper-next-door category. Dana wins the hot lady executive contest.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Dana is the one I'd do, were I to do one. But then I'm not into stripper types. But then again I'm not into midgets. Hmm.

  113. eD says:
    @XYZ (no Mr.)
    @eD

    I am curious about the nature of the polling questions.

    I recently read an opinion piece about how only 20 percent of Americans want the lockdowns to end and America return to normal life.

    Of course, I want most of the lockdowns to end, but that does not mean dumping a lot of the social distancing protocols we have in place, i.e., wear masks when suitable, keep 6 ft distance from strangers as much as possible, less dense dining, not have concerts or large crowds yet, etc etc.

    That is not remotely a return to normal life. But it would put a lot of people back to work. Almost all businesses should be open.

    But I have a feeling many polls would put me in with the 80 percent. And so I miraculously become a supporter of Gavin Newsom's policies, grouped in with people afraid to go outside, or even people parking nearby to go to the beach.

    Replies: @eD

    I now can’t remember where I saw the polls (it wasn’t 538.com, actually I think it was an anti-lockdown blog) but the point was they indicated that Americans were significantly more pro-lockdown than people in other countries. To make this comparison, the questions being slanted wouldn’t matter, as long as they were pretty much the same in all the countries.

  114. @Reg Cæsar

    "Images of Packed Shores"
     
    "Huddled masses" has a better ring to it.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Yup.

  115. @Buffalo Joe
    @Corvinus

    Corvi, There are 27 miles of "scenic beach" in Malibu and at 5280 feet per mile that is 142,560 feet of sandy shoreline. Divide 142,560 feet by six feet per sun bather and you can have 23,760 "socially distancing" beach goers in one straight line. Drop back 6 feet and add another 23,760 surfers and 6 more feet to add another 23,760 and 6 feet more for another 23,760 freedom loving Califorians. So, with four parallel lines of sand covered sun seekers you can have 95,040 Newsum naysayers at the beach. Doubt that the beaches are only 24 feet wide, that would be a very narrow beach. Lots of room. Stay safe. Get some sun.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    Except your math lesson is not rooted in reality. The 95,040 sun seekers will not be remaining in one place. Do they all have masks? More importantly as I pointed out (thanks Anon 506) earlier in the thread, “beach openings would most end up as household mixings, which is what lockdown is supposed to prevent. The unit of quarantine is the household, not the family, not the social friend group, not the romantic partner pair. Individual quarantine would be ideal, but the realities of living spaces prevent it”.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Corvinus

    Corvi, of course they won't. The guy and girl couple that drove together to the beach will sit together. As will the girl and girl couple or the guy and guy couple. As will the mom and dad and their two kids that arrived in their Range Rover. Or the biker and his chick that shared a Harley. But, they are already doing that in their homes. Around here doing things with your family is ok. I live on a circle. All day long I see my neighbors walking together or biking together around the circle. The neighborhood dogs have been walked to the point of exhaustion, many being dragged along on their third or fourth daily walk. There is a link at comment #71 from AnonAnon. In the article from the San Francisco Chronicle you can find Doctors saying people need to get outside and little chance of infection in the outside air. Idiots who push the envelope will always be idiots that push the envelope. We normal or nearly normal people want our collars loosened up a bit. Is there a Mrs. Corvinus? Do you wear masks and stay six feet apart? Anyhow, stay safe. Oh, and you don't need a mask outside unless you mean a snorkle and mask.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  116. @wren
    @res

    Wow, that chart of vitamin D status of various ethnicities is really eye opening in light of the Outside Magazine article claiming that sunshine promotes a strong immune system and other health benefits. The article implied that Black people in northern latitudes don't get enough sun exposure and are thus at risk of various health issues. Vitamin D is just one benefit, but not the cause of all the health benefits.

    This would suggest that we would see a difference in black mortality rates in the north and south from this current virus.

    Are we seeing differences in the fatality rates in Detroit, New York and New Jersey compared to Louisiana, Georgia and Florida?

    There may be something very important going on here, and it is not merely vitamin D.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    wren, think of all the outside activities you can do in sunshine. Now think of all the times you saw blacks participating. The few times I go to a pro sports game, outside in daylight, I see few blacks. Hiking, biking, canoeing, kayaking, skiing, swimming ,golfing,fishing, tennis, soccer not too many blacks.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Buffalo Joe

    All the activities you just mentioned are white activities and thus ipso factor, they are racist. Why should blacks have to participate in racist activities?

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  117. Anonymous[930] • Disclaimer says:
    @res
    @Prester John

    Thanks. For understanding this it is helpful to know about the concept of a normal lens.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_lens


    In photography and cinematography, a normal lens is a lens that reproduces a field of view that appears "natural" to a human observer. In contrast, depth compression and expansion with shorter or longer focal lengths introduces noticeable, and sometimes disturbing, distortion.
     
    For a full frame 35mm camera that is (per that page) 43.3 mm. Hence the popularity of 35 mm and 50 mm lenses which are usually used as normal lenses there (in particular, the latter).

    Much more about why the 50mm lens became a standard.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/05/how-the-50-mm-lens-became-normal/560276/

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I always thought the 24×36 aspect ratio of standard 35mm was unfortunate and thought 24x 30 would be better but camera makers refused to offer the option.

    Film camera practices, in retrospect were odd.

  118. @Corvinus
    @Buffalo Joe

    Except your math lesson is not rooted in reality. The 95,040 sun seekers will not be remaining in one place. Do they all have masks? More importantly as I pointed out (thanks Anon 506) earlier in the thread, "beach openings would most end up as household mixings, which is what lockdown is supposed to prevent. The unit of quarantine is the household, not the family, not the social friend group, not the romantic partner pair. Individual quarantine would be ideal, but the realities of living spaces prevent it".

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Corvi, of course they won’t. The guy and girl couple that drove together to the beach will sit together. As will the girl and girl couple or the guy and guy couple. As will the mom and dad and their two kids that arrived in their Range Rover. Or the biker and his chick that shared a Harley. But, they are already doing that in their homes. Around here doing things with your family is ok. I live on a circle. All day long I see my neighbors walking together or biking together around the circle. The neighborhood dogs have been walked to the point of exhaustion, many being dragged along on their third or fourth daily walk. There is a link at comment #71 from AnonAnon. In the article from the San Francisco Chronicle you can find Doctors saying people need to get outside and little chance of infection in the outside air. Idiots who push the envelope will always be idiots that push the envelope. We normal or nearly normal people want our collars loosened up a bit. Is there a Mrs. Corvinus? Do you wear masks and stay six feet apart? Anyhow, stay safe. Oh, and you don’t need a mask outside unless you mean a snorkle and mask.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Buffalo Joe

    "Around here doing things with your family is ok."

    Indeed. Finally, I see more families in my neighborhood drawing with their kids on the sidewalks, playing basketball, and going to our local subdivision park and walking around the two ponds.

    "The neighborhood dogs have been walked to the point of exhaustion, many being dragged along on their third or fourth daily walk"

    Preach.

    "Anyhow, stay safe."

    You, too, And enjoy your time at the Iroquois Nature Refugee.

    "If we learn nothing else from this disaster it is that we need TERM LIMITS."

    From a previous post, I absolutely agree.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  119. @Alexander Turok
    There are a lot of people who whine about "muh liberty" in this comment section, I'd like to know what you think of my proposal to offer you your liberty back. The bill will do two things.

    First, it will establish a set of symbols people can wear as badges. I’m thinking of three symbols, one for the immune, one for those working from home or not working and who live alone or with others who work from home or don’t work, and one for those working outside the home or living with someone working outside the home and who follow all social distancing regulations. It will be illegal to use the badges falsely or otherwise claim that you’re part of a group you aren’t part of.(e.g. “I’m immune but forgot my badge.”) This is no violation of liberty: there is no right to impersonate a police officer or infringe someone else’s copyright.

    Second, individuals who want to be exempt from social distancing regulations will have the option to register and become exempt. You could do it online, with a name, SSN, and webcam video, or at your local police station. Once you do so, you can wear none of the badges.* You gain your liberty back; in exchange, you must recognize everyone else’s liberty with respect to your behavior. So that means if a business considers you a danger to their customers, they have the right to exclude from their premises. If you object to the government confining you to your home, how can you demand the government forcibly open the doors of someone’s business to you? If they don’t want to hire you, don’t want to serve you, want to segregate you within, or restrict you to special hours, you’ll respect their right to do so. Likewise, the medical system will have the right to move you to the back of the line for any medical treatment. The insurance companies will be allowed to announce that they will not cover corona treatment for anyone who signs up to be exempt. (Now, if they say they will cover corona treatment and don’t do it, that’s still fraud.) Medicare/medicaid can refuse to pay for corona treatment as well. You may say it’s a violation of liberty to tax you and deny you the benefits of those taxes. Is it also a violation of liberty to deny welfare to drug users? I don’t see it that way, I see it as the government commonsensically directing aid to those who didn’t make choices that caused them to need the aid.

    If you regret your decision there could be an “enhanced quarantine” procedure you can go through, say, 14 days completely alone, after which you can wear the badges again. And, of course, if you get it and become immune you can wear that badge.

    Replies: @anon, @eD, @Ron Mexico, @alt right moderate, @AnotherDad

    You gain your liberty back; in exchange, you must recognize everyone else’s liberty with respect to your behavior.

    How’s about we simply have that for everything? You know good old “freedom of association”. Which the Founders absolutely believed in and isn’t explicitly in the Constitution only because the British (nor anyone else) were violating it–other than the specific issues like quartering troops–like our super-state does routinely today.

    Freedom of associating, where i can associate with, live around, hire, fire, rent to, buy from, sell to, go to school with, teach, … people on whatever basis as i choose, is what actual “liberty” looks like.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @AnotherDad

    Christopher Caldwell in his new book The Age of Entitlement makes the point that freedom of association starting going by by when civil rights laws were passed in the 1960s. An excellent, but depressing, book.

  120. @Known Fact
    "Horrified reaction of the general public?" Where is the NYT getting this? Maybe the horrified reaction of a few Beckys and Karens who burn too easily to enjoy the beach

    Replies: @anon

    The “Horrified reaction” comes from the jews in the NYT newsroom.

  121. @Anonymous
    But sunshine is supposed to help kill the virus. It's why I think the infection and death rates are so much lower in Southeast Asia than Northeast Asia. Singapore is an exception because being the only OECD country in that region, most of its residents are always in and out of air conditioning, and do not see much sun. The quarantine that shutters everyone inside arguably makes things worse. The recent outbreak there came overwhelmingly from migrant workers from Bangladesh who were cooped up in a densely packed high rise apartment building.

    Replies: @wren, @Jonathan Mason

    Well, let’s face it, respiratory diseases transmitted by coughing, like TB for instance, are always going to be transmitted more indoors than outdoors.

    That’s why countries like the Dominican Republic and Haiti are always going to be hit less hard than indoor countries, because most of their people are outdoors most of the time, whereas here in the US most people spend most of their workday in air conditioned buildings where you can’t even open the windows.

    In DR and Haiti most of the restaurants and bars are outdoors or semi outdoors, so are auto repair shops, street markets, and many other businesses. Also many people work on the land. On the other hand, public transportation is extremely crowded and may provide a vector for transmission that is much less likely somewhere like Florida, where the personal vehicle reigns supreme.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    @Jonathan Mason

    Yes. The indoor life has its benefits in wages, etc., but the outdoor life is best for building robust resistance to physical and emotional calamity.

  122. @Buzz Mohawk
    Another old photography trick: Hire photogenic people to represent you.

    https://media.9news.com/assets/CCT/images/ae3211b2-a10e-4015-8840-6eeec8cd15fe/ae3211b2-a10e-4015-8840-6eeec8cd15fe_1920x1080.jpg
    Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany at today's White House press conference

    And ordinary women aren't allowed to get their hair done now. Let's talk about their hair! Women's hair salons are essential services!

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    And ordinary women aren’t allowed to get their hair done now. Let’s talk about their hair! Women’s hair salons are essential services!

    Looks like McEnany couldn’t get her dark roots done either!

  123. @Buffalo Joe
    @wren

    wren, think of all the outside activities you can do in sunshine. Now think of all the times you saw blacks participating. The few times I go to a pro sports game, outside in daylight, I see few blacks. Hiking, biking, canoeing, kayaking, skiing, swimming ,golfing,fishing, tennis, soccer not too many blacks.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    All the activities you just mentioned are white activities and thus ipso factor, they are racist. Why should blacks have to participate in racist activities?

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Yo, sorry, I forgot what activities are racist, basically anything whites do and everything else they appropriated from blacks. Stay safe.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

  124. @Reg Cæsar

    "Images of Packed Shores"
     
    "Huddled masses" has a better ring to it.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Empty towels and half built sandcastles rotting on the beaches.

  125. From SF Gate…Newsum is waffling now…”Maybe days not weeks to reopening ” but then this kicker, wait to see what happens on the beaches this weekend…ok kids settle down or I am turning the car around and we are going back home, not kidding, are you listening.

  126. @Corvinus
    @Steve Sailer

    "That’s definitely the attitude in Malibu."

    Because they built it, not us. Their property, their rules, right? Although, the world-famous Malibu coastline does offer 27 miles of scenic public beaches. Perhaps the white rich and famous there do not seek to keep the unwashed multitudes in their hovels?

    Then again...

    https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/17/us/billionaires-beach-malibu-public-access/index.html

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “Perhaps the white rich and famous there do not seek to keep the unwashed multitudes in their hovels?”

    Why do you hate white people? Have you anointed yourself as their superior? If so, what makes you think that they will abide by your memo?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    "Why do you hate white people?"

    LOL. Considering that I am white myself, and I married a white woman, I would say your flinging poo at the wall and hoping it sticks.

    "Have you anointed yourself as their superior?"

    Are you MY superior?

    "If so, what makes you think that they will abide by your memo?"

    Methinks you are projecting.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

  127. @Buffalo Joe
    @Corvinus

    Corvi, of course they won't. The guy and girl couple that drove together to the beach will sit together. As will the girl and girl couple or the guy and guy couple. As will the mom and dad and their two kids that arrived in their Range Rover. Or the biker and his chick that shared a Harley. But, they are already doing that in their homes. Around here doing things with your family is ok. I live on a circle. All day long I see my neighbors walking together or biking together around the circle. The neighborhood dogs have been walked to the point of exhaustion, many being dragged along on their third or fourth daily walk. There is a link at comment #71 from AnonAnon. In the article from the San Francisco Chronicle you can find Doctors saying people need to get outside and little chance of infection in the outside air. Idiots who push the envelope will always be idiots that push the envelope. We normal or nearly normal people want our collars loosened up a bit. Is there a Mrs. Corvinus? Do you wear masks and stay six feet apart? Anyhow, stay safe. Oh, and you don't need a mask outside unless you mean a snorkle and mask.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Around here doing things with your family is ok.”

    Indeed. Finally, I see more families in my neighborhood drawing with their kids on the sidewalks, playing basketball, and going to our local subdivision park and walking around the two ponds.

    “The neighborhood dogs have been walked to the point of exhaustion, many being dragged along on their third or fourth daily walk”

    Preach.

    “Anyhow, stay safe.”

    You, too, And enjoy your time at the Iroquois Nature Refugee.

    “If we learn nothing else from this disaster it is that we need TERM LIMITS.”

    From a previous post, I absolutely agree.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Corvinus

    Corvi, thank you, nice reply and look at this list of politicians and their years in public office: Pelosi 43 yrs, Schumer 38 yrs, Sanders 39 yrs, Biden 45 yrs, Schiff 25 yrs, Waters 29 yrs, Nadler 43 yrs, Leahy 45 yrs, Feinstein 42 yrs. Stay safe and I just found a place to fish at the INR.

  128. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Corvinus

    "Perhaps the white rich and famous there do not seek to keep the unwashed multitudes in their hovels?"

    Why do you hate white people? Have you anointed yourself as their superior? If so, what makes you think that they will abide by your memo?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Why do you hate white people?”

    LOL. Considering that I am white myself, and I married a white woman, I would say your flinging poo at the wall and hoping it sticks.

    “Have you anointed yourself as their superior?”

    Are you MY superior?

    “If so, what makes you think that they will abide by your memo?”

    Methinks you are projecting.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Corvinus

    "LOL."

    What is LOL? Some secret meme or code word? Virtue signaling perhaps? Or a half-assed attempt to desperately claim relevancy for some senior citizen such as yourself.


    "Are you MY superior?"

    Finally at long last, Corvy, you are asking the right kind of questions. Humility is the first step toward admitting, much less conceding one's own flaws and faults in the matter. Very, very good on your part. But the relevant question, of which you did NOT answer: WHY. Do. YOU. Hate. WHITE. People?

    Is there an answer, Corvy? Can you come up with one? If not, what does that show about you, that while you may be able to ask the questions, you still cannot find the answers. In fact, you dodge them.


    "Methinks you are projecting."

    Pot calling kettle.


    "I would say you're flinging poo at the wall and hoping it sticks."

    Ad hominem, ad hominem. Here.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs4Gj7JsET4

    Replies: @Corvinus

  129. It’s funny, the left was all over this telephoto lens angle when it was about how many people really went to Trump’s inauguration. Wonder why they can’t see it now.

  130. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Buffalo Joe

    All the activities you just mentioned are white activities and thus ipso factor, they are racist. Why should blacks have to participate in racist activities?

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Yo, sorry, I forgot what activities are racist, basically anything whites do and everything else they appropriated from blacks. Stay safe.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Buffalo Joe

    What exactly did whites appropriate from blacks? Certainly not the events you mentioned. That's a laugh. So what are these activities? Reading? Writing? Educating? Nope.

    Honestly tryna think of activities that whitey stole from blacks, dawg. Can't think o' nuttin'.

    yo yo.

  131. @Corvinus
    @Buffalo Joe

    "Around here doing things with your family is ok."

    Indeed. Finally, I see more families in my neighborhood drawing with their kids on the sidewalks, playing basketball, and going to our local subdivision park and walking around the two ponds.

    "The neighborhood dogs have been walked to the point of exhaustion, many being dragged along on their third or fourth daily walk"

    Preach.

    "Anyhow, stay safe."

    You, too, And enjoy your time at the Iroquois Nature Refugee.

    "If we learn nothing else from this disaster it is that we need TERM LIMITS."

    From a previous post, I absolutely agree.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Corvi, thank you, nice reply and look at this list of politicians and their years in public office: Pelosi 43 yrs, Schumer 38 yrs, Sanders 39 yrs, Biden 45 yrs, Schiff 25 yrs, Waters 29 yrs, Nadler 43 yrs, Leahy 45 yrs, Feinstein 42 yrs. Stay safe and I just found a place to fish at the INR.

  132. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Kratoklastes

    I'm not into midgets, but Dana does get points for being from Colorado. "Way" hotter though? Nah. Kayleigh wins the cocktail waitress / stripper-next-door category. Dana wins the hot lady executive contest.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna

    Dana is the one I’d do, were I to do one. But then I’m not into stripper types. But then again I’m not into midgets. Hmm.

  133. @Buffalo Joe
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Yo, sorry, I forgot what activities are racist, basically anything whites do and everything else they appropriated from blacks. Stay safe.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    What exactly did whites appropriate from blacks? Certainly not the events you mentioned. That’s a laugh. So what are these activities? Reading? Writing? Educating? Nope.

    Honestly tryna think of activities that whitey stole from blacks, dawg. Can’t think o’ nuttin’.

    yo yo.

  134. @Corvinus
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    "Why do you hate white people?"

    LOL. Considering that I am white myself, and I married a white woman, I would say your flinging poo at the wall and hoping it sticks.

    "Have you anointed yourself as their superior?"

    Are you MY superior?

    "If so, what makes you think that they will abide by your memo?"

    Methinks you are projecting.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “LOL.”

    What is LOL? Some secret meme or code word? Virtue signaling perhaps? Or a half-assed attempt to desperately claim relevancy for some senior citizen such as yourself.

    “Are you MY superior?”

    Finally at long last, Corvy, you are asking the right kind of questions. Humility is the first step toward admitting, much less conceding one’s own flaws and faults in the matter. Very, very good on your part. But the relevant question, of which you did NOT answer: WHY. Do. YOU. Hate. WHITE. People?

    Is there an answer, Corvy? Can you come up with one? If not, what does that show about you, that while you may be able to ask the questions, you still cannot find the answers. In fact, you dodge them.

    “Methinks you are projecting.”

    Pot calling kettle.

    “I would say you’re flinging poo at the wall and hoping it sticks.”

    Ad hominem, ad hominem. Here.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    "Or a half-assed attempt to desperately claim relevancy for some senior citizen such as yourself."

    Ad hominem, ad hominem. Here.

    "Finally at long last, Corvy, you are asking the right kind of questions."

    Actually, I have been asking, and answering, the right kind of questions. It's just that you don't prefer the responses.

    "But the relevant question, of which you did NOT answer: WHY. Do. YOU. Hate. WHITE. People?"

    Except I don't. You desperately want to believe I do "hate my own kind". It's amazing that you insist you KNOW the "true response"--that's why I asked if you are my superior--by way of interaction on a blog and without even having met. LOL.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

  135. @Federalist
    @Mr. Anon


    . . . the degree to which America has become a country of slavish order-followers. . .

    Most of our public culture is built around the idea of the loner, the free-spirit, the rebel, the maverick, the person bravely going their own way, finding their own path, yada, yada, yada.
     
    That really is an excellent point. Think about the stories/myths/legends about America. (Of course, these American myths are not all or maybe not even mostly true.)

    People leaving everything and setting up colonies in the name of religious independence. A revolution against a king and plucky volunteers defeating that King's supposedly vastly superior professional army. Pioneers moving West. Cowboys. Rags to riches stories of a penniless man making it big on nothing but hard work and determination. Everyday, freedom-loving young men defeating the mindlessly order-following German and Japanese.

    Like I said, a lot of this is (or was) just what we wanted to believe. But what changed and when did it change that we apparently don't even want to kid ourselves that we are, as you described, free-spirited rebels going our own way?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    It’s not even just the tried-and-true stories of our past – the Revolution, the frontier, the Cowboy, etc. Even today, the plot of virtually every movie or book hinges on the protagonist going their own way and doing their own thing. And that’s across all genres: cop movies, spy-thrillers, rom-coms, feminist empowerment stories, you name it: Jack Reacher, Eat Pray Love, The Help, Twelve Years a Slave, The Shape of Water, whatever – it doesn’t matter. The contemporary stories we consume are all about the rebel, the maverick, the lone hero. And now we consume those stories “locked-down” in our homes because the Governor told us to obey guidelines issued by people in white lab coats.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Mr. Anon

    Of course, in real life, if the US did still have a strong maverick strain, a sizable percentage of citizens would give the finger to CA Gov. Newsom and individually go out on the beaches in full force, take to the highways, "born to be wild" a la Easy Rider, and remain in public, not isolated in lockdown, cowering in their homes like frightened scared children. Give them their liberty, man! That's what its all about! The American way, being free to do what you want, whenever you want to, no matter who says otherwise! There'd be tens of thousands in the streets 24/7 to demonstrate that no one can tell them where to stay and what to do.

    But that's not happening is it? And from the Baby Boomer Generation, the epitome of going one's own way, doing one's own thing, whenever they want to, and they're not doing it.

    Looks like Big Government is winning this round. What they say is going down with them, and everyone else across generations.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  136. @Mr. Anon
    @Federalist

    It's not even just the tried-and-true stories of our past - the Revolution, the frontier, the Cowboy, etc. Even today, the plot of virtually every movie or book hinges on the protagonist going their own way and doing their own thing. And that's across all genres: cop movies, spy-thrillers, rom-coms, feminist empowerment stories, you name it: Jack Reacher, Eat Pray Love, The Help, Twelve Years a Slave, The Shape of Water, whatever - it doesn't matter. The contemporary stories we consume are all about the rebel, the maverick, the lone hero. And now we consume those stories "locked-down" in our homes because the Governor told us to obey guidelines issued by people in white lab coats.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Of course, in real life, if the US did still have a strong maverick strain, a sizable percentage of citizens would give the finger to CA Gov. Newsom and individually go out on the beaches in full force, take to the highways, “born to be wild” a la Easy Rider, and remain in public, not isolated in lockdown, cowering in their homes like frightened scared children. Give them their liberty, man! That’s what its all about! The American way, being free to do what you want, whenever you want to, no matter who says otherwise! There’d be tens of thousands in the streets 24/7 to demonstrate that no one can tell them where to stay and what to do.

    But that’s not happening is it? And from the Baby Boomer Generation, the epitome of going one’s own way, doing one’s own thing, whenever they want to, and they’re not doing it.

    Looks like Big Government is winning this round. What they say is going down with them, and everyone else across generations.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    But that’s not happening is it? And from the Baby Boomer Generation, the epitome of going one’s own way, doing one’s own thing, whenever they want to, and they’re not doing it.

    Looks like Big Government is winning this round. What they say is going down with them, and everyone else across generations.
     
    The lights are going out around the World. We shall not see them lit again in our time.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

  137. @Jonathan Mason
    @JimDandy

    I think the Swedes will admit that in retrospect there were some things they might have done better, in particular protecting the elderly.

    Apparently Sweden has (like the US) quite large nursing homes, whereas Norway has much smaller ones. These kind of things can affect the ability to spread or retard the spread of the virus.

    The large nursing homes of the US have certainly turned into charnel houses in some areas.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    “The large nursing homes of the US have certainly turned into charnel houses in some areas.”

    With Cuomo’s mandate that even if confirmed positive patients be readmitted to nursing homes being a big cause of slaughter.

    If I threaten you with violence if you do not perform acts that kill hundreds am I not culpable?

    Does America have a new mass killer record holder?

    Daddy would be so proud.

  138. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Mr. Anon

    Of course, in real life, if the US did still have a strong maverick strain, a sizable percentage of citizens would give the finger to CA Gov. Newsom and individually go out on the beaches in full force, take to the highways, "born to be wild" a la Easy Rider, and remain in public, not isolated in lockdown, cowering in their homes like frightened scared children. Give them their liberty, man! That's what its all about! The American way, being free to do what you want, whenever you want to, no matter who says otherwise! There'd be tens of thousands in the streets 24/7 to demonstrate that no one can tell them where to stay and what to do.

    But that's not happening is it? And from the Baby Boomer Generation, the epitome of going one's own way, doing one's own thing, whenever they want to, and they're not doing it.

    Looks like Big Government is winning this round. What they say is going down with them, and everyone else across generations.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    But that’s not happening is it? And from the Baby Boomer Generation, the epitome of going one’s own way, doing one’s own thing, whenever they want to, and they’re not doing it.

    Looks like Big Government is winning this round. What they say is going down with them, and everyone else across generations.

    The lights are going out around the World. We shall not see them lit again in our time.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Mr. Anon

    "The lights are going out around the World. We shall not see them lit again in our time."

    Not quite. They're all lit up in China right now. And Australia, and New Zealand. China crushed COVID-19, the source of where it originally started.

    Looks as though the lights in China are fully bright at 1000 Watts, and they're ready for a really bright future full speed ahead. So long as they remain safely within their own borders.

  139. They’re so cute, aren’t they?

  140. @Mr. Anon
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    But that’s not happening is it? And from the Baby Boomer Generation, the epitome of going one’s own way, doing one’s own thing, whenever they want to, and they’re not doing it.

    Looks like Big Government is winning this round. What they say is going down with them, and everyone else across generations.
     
    The lights are going out around the World. We shall not see them lit again in our time.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “The lights are going out around the World. We shall not see them lit again in our time.”

    Not quite. They’re all lit up in China right now. And Australia, and New Zealand. China crushed COVID-19, the source of where it originally started.

    Looks as though the lights in China are fully bright at 1000 Watts, and they’re ready for a really bright future full speed ahead. So long as they remain safely within their own borders.

  141. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Corvinus

    "LOL."

    What is LOL? Some secret meme or code word? Virtue signaling perhaps? Or a half-assed attempt to desperately claim relevancy for some senior citizen such as yourself.


    "Are you MY superior?"

    Finally at long last, Corvy, you are asking the right kind of questions. Humility is the first step toward admitting, much less conceding one's own flaws and faults in the matter. Very, very good on your part. But the relevant question, of which you did NOT answer: WHY. Do. YOU. Hate. WHITE. People?

    Is there an answer, Corvy? Can you come up with one? If not, what does that show about you, that while you may be able to ask the questions, you still cannot find the answers. In fact, you dodge them.


    "Methinks you are projecting."

    Pot calling kettle.


    "I would say you're flinging poo at the wall and hoping it sticks."

    Ad hominem, ad hominem. Here.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs4Gj7JsET4

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Or a half-assed attempt to desperately claim relevancy for some senior citizen such as yourself.”

    Ad hominem, ad hominem. Here.

    “Finally at long last, Corvy, you are asking the right kind of questions.”

    Actually, I have been asking, and answering, the right kind of questions. It’s just that you don’t prefer the responses.

    “But the relevant question, of which you did NOT answer: WHY. Do. YOU. Hate. WHITE. People?”

    Except I don’t. You desperately want to believe I do “hate my own kind”. It’s amazing that you insist you KNOW the “true response”–that’s why I asked if you are my superior–by way of interaction on a blog and without even having met. LOL.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Corvinus

    "Actually, I have been asking, and answering, the right kind of questions. It’s just that you don’t prefer the responses."

    What kind of answers have you been responding with? Certainly not around here. I would prefer any substantial response, and have been waiting for you to produce it. Perhaps one day you will, but shall not hold the breath for that day to come in the meantime.


    "You desperately want to believe I do “hate my own kind”

    Corvy, asking a question is not desperation. Avoidance of answering the question is something else, which is coming from yourself.


    "It’s amazing that you insist you KNOW the “true response” "

    This is called projection on your part. I have ASKED for the response to the question. Still waiting.


    "–that’s why I asked if you are my superior–by way of interaction on a blog and without even having met."

    Ok, the question as well as your clarification does sound as if it were along the lines of something else, something along the lines of some BDSM type of thing what with the connotations of superiors, subs, doms, etc. Not that there's anything necessarily wrong with that. What you happen to do in your private time is certainly your own business. After all, it is 2020, a more advanced era where people are in fact more progressive in their proclivities.


    "LOL."

    Uh, yes, people can do the whole text speak for hrs. Especially for those of limited minds. Suppose you'll be posting some emojis next.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  142. @Corvinus
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    "Or a half-assed attempt to desperately claim relevancy for some senior citizen such as yourself."

    Ad hominem, ad hominem. Here.

    "Finally at long last, Corvy, you are asking the right kind of questions."

    Actually, I have been asking, and answering, the right kind of questions. It's just that you don't prefer the responses.

    "But the relevant question, of which you did NOT answer: WHY. Do. YOU. Hate. WHITE. People?"

    Except I don't. You desperately want to believe I do "hate my own kind". It's amazing that you insist you KNOW the "true response"--that's why I asked if you are my superior--by way of interaction on a blog and without even having met. LOL.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “Actually, I have been asking, and answering, the right kind of questions. It’s just that you don’t prefer the responses.”

    What kind of answers have you been responding with? Certainly not around here. I would prefer any substantial response, and have been waiting for you to produce it. Perhaps one day you will, but shall not hold the breath for that day to come in the meantime.

    “You desperately want to believe I do “hate my own kind”

    Corvy, asking a question is not desperation. Avoidance of answering the question is something else, which is coming from yourself.

    “It’s amazing that you insist you KNOW the “true response” ”

    This is called projection on your part. I have ASKED for the response to the question. Still waiting.

    “–that’s why I asked if you are my superior–by way of interaction on a blog and without even having met.”

    Ok, the question as well as your clarification does sound as if it were along the lines of something else, something along the lines of some BDSM type of thing what with the connotations of superiors, subs, doms, etc. Not that there’s anything necessarily wrong with that. What you happen to do in your private time is certainly your own business. After all, it is 2020, a more advanced era where people are in fact more progressive in their proclivities.

    “LOL.”

    Uh, yes, people can do the whole text speak for hrs. Especially for those of limited minds. Suppose you’ll be posting some emojis next.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    "What kind of answers have you been responding with? Certainly not around here."

    Yes, around here. Again, you're only seeing what you want to see. It's delusional on your part.

    "Avoidance of answering the question is something else, which is coming from yourself."

    I already answered the question. You said...“But the relevant question, of which you did NOT answer: WHY. Do. YOU. Hate. WHITE. People?” I replied "Except I don’t".

    Why are you seemingly acting like my superior?

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

  143. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Corvinus

    "Actually, I have been asking, and answering, the right kind of questions. It’s just that you don’t prefer the responses."

    What kind of answers have you been responding with? Certainly not around here. I would prefer any substantial response, and have been waiting for you to produce it. Perhaps one day you will, but shall not hold the breath for that day to come in the meantime.


    "You desperately want to believe I do “hate my own kind”

    Corvy, asking a question is not desperation. Avoidance of answering the question is something else, which is coming from yourself.


    "It’s amazing that you insist you KNOW the “true response” "

    This is called projection on your part. I have ASKED for the response to the question. Still waiting.


    "–that’s why I asked if you are my superior–by way of interaction on a blog and without even having met."

    Ok, the question as well as your clarification does sound as if it were along the lines of something else, something along the lines of some BDSM type of thing what with the connotations of superiors, subs, doms, etc. Not that there's anything necessarily wrong with that. What you happen to do in your private time is certainly your own business. After all, it is 2020, a more advanced era where people are in fact more progressive in their proclivities.


    "LOL."

    Uh, yes, people can do the whole text speak for hrs. Especially for those of limited minds. Suppose you'll be posting some emojis next.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “What kind of answers have you been responding with? Certainly not around here.”

    Yes, around here. Again, you’re only seeing what you want to see. It’s delusional on your part.

    “Avoidance of answering the question is something else, which is coming from yourself.”

    I already answered the question. You said…“But the relevant question, of which you did NOT answer: WHY. Do. YOU. Hate. WHITE. People?” I replied “Except I don’t”.

    Why are you seemingly acting like my superior?

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Corvinus

    "Why are you seemingly acting like my superior?"

    Again, do refrain from using BDSM type of triggering questions. Asking a question can be neutral. If for some reason you have a need to deflect from having to answer difficult questions, then of course that is understandable. A question is neutral, unless the person attempting to answer decides to project and thus deflect on to the asker.


    "I replied “Except I don’t”."

    LOL. Indeed.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  144. @Corvinus
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    "What kind of answers have you been responding with? Certainly not around here."

    Yes, around here. Again, you're only seeing what you want to see. It's delusional on your part.

    "Avoidance of answering the question is something else, which is coming from yourself."

    I already answered the question. You said...“But the relevant question, of which you did NOT answer: WHY. Do. YOU. Hate. WHITE. People?” I replied "Except I don’t".

    Why are you seemingly acting like my superior?

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “Why are you seemingly acting like my superior?”

    Again, do refrain from using BDSM type of triggering questions. Asking a question can be neutral. If for some reason you have a need to deflect from having to answer difficult questions, then of course that is understandable. A question is neutral, unless the person attempting to answer decides to project and thus deflect on to the asker.

    “I replied “Except I don’t”.”

    LOL. Indeed.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    "Again, do refrain from using BDSM type of triggering questions."

    Do you relish playing the Mother Hen on the Interwebs?

    "A question is neutral, unless the person attempting to answer decides to project and thus deflect on to the asker."

    A neutral question is a question posed to a participant during data collection and stated by the investigator in a way that does not direct or bias the answer provided by the participant. You were asking a loaded question. You presupposed that I hate white people. When I answered "I don't", you continue to believe otherwise. Again, why are you seemingly acting like my superior?

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

  145. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Corvinus

    "Why are you seemingly acting like my superior?"

    Again, do refrain from using BDSM type of triggering questions. Asking a question can be neutral. If for some reason you have a need to deflect from having to answer difficult questions, then of course that is understandable. A question is neutral, unless the person attempting to answer decides to project and thus deflect on to the asker.


    "I replied “Except I don’t”."

    LOL. Indeed.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Again, do refrain from using BDSM type of triggering questions.”

    Do you relish playing the Mother Hen on the Interwebs?

    “A question is neutral, unless the person attempting to answer decides to project and thus deflect on to the asker.”

    A neutral question is a question posed to a participant during data collection and stated by the investigator in a way that does not direct or bias the answer provided by the participant. You were asking a loaded question. You presupposed that I hate white people. When I answered “I don’t”, you continue to believe otherwise. Again, why are you seemingly acting like my superior?

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Corvinus

    "Do you relish playing the Mother Hen on the Interwebs?"

    Mother hen. Another loaded term. Corvy, do you simply have a problem answering direct questions? Must you always respond to a question with another? Is this some form of subterfuge, where one must ascertain where exactly the meaning is coming from? How can one truly understand and hope to find an answer amidst a sea of useless and unmeaningful, insignificant insights into nothing?

    "You were asking a loaded question."

    I was asking a quetion, period. The question was neutral. Read into whatever you want to, when the question was stated as a question and nothing more.


    "You presupposed that I hate white people."

    With you, Corvy, I presume nothing and take nothing on faith. A question was asked, nothing less and nothing more.



    "When I answered “I don’t”,"

    After repeatedly avoiding the question, you finally responded.


    "you continue to believe otherwise."

    I presume nothing. It would have been nice to see some proof to your answer, of which none was provided.



    "Again, why are you seemingly acting like my superior?"

    Why do you continually use such loaded trigger words? If I were acting like I'm better, I would've resorted to direct name calling, which was not done. But very good you are learning to couch the reply with "seemingly" which can also be taken to mean that that is all it is...apparently, or it seems to be so when in actuality it is not the case at all.

    But again, do refrain from using such loaded trigger words such as 'superior'. For the most part this blog tends to be family friendly.

  146. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Mr. Anon


    I think alot of this is down to the oligarchy just trying to keep the unwashed multitudes in their hovels, so that the they (the rich) can enjoy a less populated World they think they deserve.
     
    Exactly.

    For a long time, the Cloud People have felt the Dirt People have had far too high a quality of life.

    CV-19 is the perfect excuse for the Cloud People to deny the Dirt People that quality of life going forward.

    Replies: @Keypusher

    Hey tard! Someone posting bullshit that I correct doesn’t make me a troll. But you using the troll button to comment on my correction makes you a fucking idiot. Is that clear to you, or do I need to draw you a picture?

  147. @Jonathan Mason
    @Anonymous

    Well, let's face it, respiratory diseases transmitted by coughing, like TB for instance, are always going to be transmitted more indoors than outdoors.

    That's why countries like the Dominican Republic and Haiti are always going to be hit less hard than indoor countries, because most of their people are outdoors most of the time, whereas here in the US most people spend most of their workday in air conditioned buildings where you can't even open the windows.

    In DR and Haiti most of the restaurants and bars are outdoors or semi outdoors, so are auto repair shops, street markets, and many other businesses. Also many people work on the land. On the other hand, public transportation is extremely crowded and may provide a vector for transmission that is much less likely somewhere like Florida, where the personal vehicle reigns supreme.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton

    Yes. The indoor life has its benefits in wages, etc., but the outdoor life is best for building robust resistance to physical and emotional calamity.

  148. @Corvinus
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    "Again, do refrain from using BDSM type of triggering questions."

    Do you relish playing the Mother Hen on the Interwebs?

    "A question is neutral, unless the person attempting to answer decides to project and thus deflect on to the asker."

    A neutral question is a question posed to a participant during data collection and stated by the investigator in a way that does not direct or bias the answer provided by the participant. You were asking a loaded question. You presupposed that I hate white people. When I answered "I don't", you continue to believe otherwise. Again, why are you seemingly acting like my superior?

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “Do you relish playing the Mother Hen on the Interwebs?”

    Mother hen. Another loaded term. Corvy, do you simply have a problem answering direct questions? Must you always respond to a question with another? Is this some form of subterfuge, where one must ascertain where exactly the meaning is coming from? How can one truly understand and hope to find an answer amidst a sea of useless and unmeaningful, insignificant insights into nothing?

    “You were asking a loaded question.”

    I was asking a quetion, period. The question was neutral. Read into whatever you want to, when the question was stated as a question and nothing more.

    “You presupposed that I hate white people.”

    With you, Corvy, I presume nothing and take nothing on faith. A question was asked, nothing less and nothing more.

    “When I answered “I don’t”,”

    After repeatedly avoiding the question, you finally responded.

    “you continue to believe otherwise.”

    I presume nothing. It would have been nice to see some proof to your answer, of which none was provided.

    “Again, why are you seemingly acting like my superior?”

    Why do you continually use such loaded trigger words? If I were acting like I’m better, I would’ve resorted to direct name calling, which was not done. But very good you are learning to couch the reply with “seemingly” which can also be taken to mean that that is all it is…apparently, or it seems to be so when in actuality it is not the case at all.

    But again, do refrain from using such loaded trigger words such as ‘superior’. For the most part this blog tends to be family friendly.

  149. @AnotherDad
    @Alexander Turok


    You gain your liberty back; in exchange, you must recognize everyone else’s liberty with respect to your behavior.
     
    How's about we simply have that for everything? You know good old "freedom of association". Which the Founders absolutely believed in and isn't explicitly in the Constitution only because the British (nor anyone else) were violating it--other than the specific issues like quartering troops--like our super-state does routinely today.

    Freedom of associating, where i can associate with, live around, hire, fire, rent to, buy from, sell to, go to school with, teach, ... people on whatever basis as i choose, is what actual "liberty" looks like.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Christopher Caldwell in his new book The Age of Entitlement makes the point that freedom of association starting going by by when civil rights laws were passed in the 1960s. An excellent, but depressing, book.

  150. Anonymous[225] • Disclaimer says:
    @Federalist
    @Steve Sailer

    Give people tickets for going to the beach on the whim of the dictator/governor while letting violent criminals out of prison. Yeah, anarcho-tyranny is easy.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Take a look at:
    Martin von Creveld
    “The Fate of the State”
    _Parameters_, 1996
    Search Google Scholar for best results. Seriously, please read it. It’ a classic article and the trend it describes has held true for 24 years — very good work for strategist

    The Western (“Westphalian”) state has been failing since WW II. It controls less area, and its monopoly on violence has been slipping within the areas it controls (e.g. more mercs, more rent-a-cops, more private walls and security, licensed concealed carriers), and its legitimacy has been dropping (e.g. laws tend to be ignored to the point that enforcement becomes impossible — e.g. shoplifting in major cities, psychoactive drug use, treasonous attempts to overthrow the US Government from within the US Government or to simply nullify Federal laws).
    The State, IMHO, is compensating for the above loss by bearing down on the part of society that still considers it legitimate, and in consequence is losing legitimacy even faster.

    The “crackdown” is a demonstration of weakness and hysteria, not of “anarch0-tyranny”. Anarch0-tyranny is rather like describing the loss of WW II to “The Emperor’s introduction of democracy to Japan”.

    In other words, the other guy always looks seven feet tall and always seems to be a lot smarter than he really is. Don’t let them kid you — they’re in over their heads.

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