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From the NYT:

Sri Lanka’s Unending Civil War
Modern social media added fuel to the sectarian fires still smoldering after the country’s civil strife.

By The Editorial Board

April 22, 2019

There’s a lot we still don’t know about the Easter Sunday attacks in Sri Lanka, a coordinated carnage by suicide bombers in churches and hotels that ended the lives of at least 290 innocents. A little-known Sri Lankan Islamist group has been blamed, but the motive is not yet clear.

I don’t know who did it, but I do know whom it was done to, but that’s a secret the NYT Editorial Board won’t divulge to its readers.

But those are details. In reality, we do know. We’ve seen it all, again and again — in Christchurch, Kabul, Paris, New York and far too many other places to list; in churches, mosques, synagogues, schools and squares. …

On the surface, the Easter attacks had a different local plot than the civil war — the latter was fought along ethnic lines while the attacks were apparently sectarian. But generations reared in violence are likely to have it in their blood,

It’s all very Lamarckian/Lysenkoist.

as the New Irish Republican Army, radical heir to republican paramilitaries of Northern Ireland’s long sectarian feud of decades past, demonstrated last week during riots in which the police suspect that a member shot dead a reporter.

…The two mosques in New Zealand and the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh were shot up by white nationalists; the motive for the deadliest mass shooting in United States history by a lone shooter, the Las Vegas massacre in 2017, remains a mystery.

But there are common denominators, and one encountered ever more frequently is hatred spread over social media.

Why don’t we just abolish Social Media and go back to only Sulzberger Media? Huh?

 
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  1. I’m amazed the nonsense term “hate” (in all its varieties) has retained its currency to date without the slightest hint of needing a rebranding. (Unlike, say, the term “diversity”, which is slowly being phased out for the less-easily-mocked “inclusion”.) That so many people just uncritically accept that word as the end-all-be-all justification for whatever it is TPTB wants to do, I find absolutely mind bottling.

    • Agree: Liza
    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    I’m amazed the nonsense term “hate” (in all its varieties) has retained its currency to date without the slightest hint of needing a rebranding. (Unlike, say, the term “diversity”, which is slowly being phased out for the less-easily-mocked “inclusion”.) That so many people just uncritically accept that word as the end-all-be-all justification for whatever it is TPTB wants to do, I find absolutely mind bottling.
     
    It's an aspect of our Newspeak that people are presented to have only two gears - Love and Hate, like forward and reverse. If what you're doing isn't motivated by Love, it can only be motivated by Hate. It's Manichean in its simplicity, and I'm sure we all know which political parties and movements are motivated by Love and which are motivated by Hate. Anything the Love party does is in service of Love, and anything the Hate party does is in service of Hate.

    If we put you out of business for not respecting the inalienable right to frosting in the precise configuration someone demands, we're doing this out of Love. In contrast, denial of frosting is an act of Hate. #Lovewins Bigot.

    No one has mixed motivations, ambivalence, disgust, avoidance, a desire for mental repose, a desire to be left alone, or a desire not to be made to say obviously false things. There are no considerations such as social cohesion, tradition, established practice, or the like which should get in the way of Love.
    , @Logan
    I like that!

    "Mind-bottling."
    , @Craig Nelsen
    The staying power of the weaponized "hate" can also be attributed to a major failing in our religious understanding, I think. Christianity supports the idea--or at least doesn't condemn it--that there is such a thing as an evil emotion, which is obviously wrong.

    "Hate" is an emotion and, like all emotions, it is neither good nor bad by itself. Most people are confused about this, but emotions are only rational or irrational depending on the circumstances. It is rational for a woman whose husband has raped their daughter to feel hatred toward her husband. That hate is good hate. It is appropriate to the circumstances and provides the determination to take the stepsnecessary to ensure their daughter is never threatened by him again. It would be irrational if she didn'thate him. Conversely, it is irrational to hate someone because he was born in Mexico.

    But it isn't the hate that's the problem, it's the irrationality. And that's great, because we can "fight" irrationality through enlightenment. Debate, argument, the free exchange of ideas, open dialogue, tolerance of diverse opinions—these are the weapons in the fight against irrationality.

    The fight against hate is something altogether different because hate is simply an emotion that humans have; we can no more fight hate than we can fight digestion. The actual elimination of human hate would require the elimination of the human. Dehumanization, demonization, shutting down free speech, protesting speakers, censorship, deplatforming—these are the weapons in the fight against hate.

    When the SPLC links "Nazi atrocities" to support for a more moderate immigration policy, is it attempting to enlighten or to demonize? When it shuts down a program hoping to stem the epidemic of suicide among white males is it fighting hate or committing it?

    When 24-year-old Ryan Wilson—a father, a heroin addict, a white male born and raised in Lexington, Missouri—came to us for shelter on the brutally cold night of February 17, 2018, we had to turn him down as a direct result of the climate of hate the SPLC had created in Lexington. It cost Ryan his life and, by creating the climate of hate that led to it, the SPLC is liable for his wrongful death. Beaulah Mae Donald v. United Klans of America Inc. et al: 1987

    To fight hate is to become it.

    Nelsen v SPLC, et al
    https://www.craignelsen.com/nelsen_v_splc/index.php
    (except for first paragraph)
  2. the New Irish Republican Army, radical heir to republican paramilitaries of Northern Ireland’s long sectarian feud of decades past, demonstrated last week during riots in which the police suspect that a member shot dead a reporter.

    This is one of the biggest myth/lies I have seen. People are always blaming the violence in NI on sectarian grounds. Though religion is somewhat of a proxy between the two sides, it is not the cause of the conflict.

    If you could have waved a magic wand in 1970, and made every Protestant in NI convert to Catholicism, the violence would not have ended. So long as those formerly Protestant people still chose to be part of the United Kingdom, and not join the Republic of Ireland, the conflict would have continued.

    Likewise, if all the Protestants of NI agreed to leave the UK and join the Irish Republic, but still remained Protestant, the conflict would have subsided.

    The conflict was about which nation would reign over those 6 counties, and not over religion.

    • Replies: @eD
    I think this is a good explanation of the conflict. My own slightly different impression is that the Northern Ireland conflict was the same class conflict that was happening in the other two kingdoms of the UK, but more vicious and with more tribal coloring, Ulster being a pretty provincial place.

    I do agree that the Catholic vs Protestant stuff was just convenient flags for the factions to fly. Elsewhere in the world, post-Reformation tensions pretty much dissipated after Vatican 2, and the Irish Republic if anything has bent over backwards to accommodate Protestants, while at least legal discrimination against Catholics in the US was removed in the nineteenth century.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    It's a bit of both - a tribal conflict between those identifying as Irish and those identifying as Brits (mainly descendants of various incomers from England/Scotland/Wales over the centuries), where religion acts as a reasonable proxy for ethnicity.

    In the past religion may have been as important as ethnicity, but I doubt if in the Pozzed Republic now there are many ultramontanes, and in the North there seem to be no preachers against the Scarlet Woman Of Rome with an Ian Paisley-size following.
    , @Cortes
    And that’s why just as surely as Saturday precedes Sunday, Easter in Northern Ireland is marked by a new “Republican” outrage. An observer from elsewhere might think it was planned to stir things up (Easter being the anniversary of the 1916 Rising).
    , @Oleaginous Outrager
    Please to be noting that the key their is a reporter died. THIS is something up with which they shall not put, even if the current theory is bad marksmanship and a cop was the actual target.

    Not sure how this event fits into NYT's thesis, except maybe as an attempt at "See, non-Muslim white people wreck shit too!" Which is really their favorite argument: "Habiba, head down to the morgue, it's time for another Emmett Till retrospective!"
  3. in Christchurch

    I’m sure they wince every time they key that name in.

    • Replies: @istevefan

    I’m sure they wince every time they key that name in.
     
    I think somebody on this blog made a witty post that New Zealand is so bat shit crazy that we shouldn't be surprised if they renamed Christchurch to Muhammedsmosque.
    , @Desiderius
    You kidding? That’s conquered territory. They relish it.
  4. The article by R. Douthat “Are Christians Privileged or Persecuted” is currently shown on the homepage of the New York Times. It is quite critical of liberal mainstream thinking and writing. I was surprised, that the New York Times publishes such an article. But: credit where credit is due.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    I was surprised, that the New York Times publishes such an article. But: credit where credit is due.

    I think that maybe, just maybe, the mainstream media has been hit between the eyes with a 2x4 enough times that it's starting to see the case for at least pretending to not hate us.

    Social media rewards attention whores and trouble makers but it also rewards fair-mindedness. The legacy media must see the growing popularity of guys like Micheal Tracey and Glenn Greenwald and get jealous:

    https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1120465964246736896
  5. These attackers weren’t “raised in violence” as far as I can tell. They were wealthy people who put their leisure time into fanaticism.

  6. If you read Hitler’s tweets and Facebook posts, you can really tell how he cleverly manipulated the unsuspecting German people to do a lot of bad things to some other people, who shall remain nameless.

    • Replies: @Sam Malone

    If you read Hitler’s tweets and Facebook posts, you can really tell how he cleverly manipulated the unsuspecting German people to do a lot of bad things to some other people, who shall remain nameless.
     
    That last bit makes it clear what's happening here.
  7. You know, we like to make clever comments here, but Steve so often makes everything so clear that we don’t have anything to add.

    The people making the decisions at the NYT don’t want to mention Christians as victims of hate. They and their writers do everything they can, cleverly, to hide that.

    This is so obvious there is nothing to add here at the moment.

    So, when one reads the Times article, one gets the impression that “social media” is at fault. That’s an easy diversion — one that leaves the door open to censorship by those who deem themselves worthy to decide what is OK to say.

    I call BS — but we who read here already know that it is.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    The people making the decisions at the NYT don’t want to mention Christians as victims of hate.

    Let's not use terminology like "victims of hate." They weren't victims of hate, they were victims of explosive devices planted by Muslims.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Buzz, if nothing else, Steve keeps me from reading the NYT and WaPo, better for my mental health.
    , @Forbes
    Good point--social media is an all-purpose bogeyman. (More pointedly, a distraction from reporting actual events.)

    Social media, after all, is just words. Words used to communicate, but still just words. The same form the NYT uses to express its own form of insanity.

    Victims, and the perpetrators of the violence against them, requires deeds and actions, and are not delivered in the form of words. A distinction the NYT appears to completely miss.
    , @Jack D
    What underlies this is the understanding, deep down, that Western civilization, and especially the US is highly effective at getting shit done once it decides to focus on it. This could be putting men on the moon or finding a cure for polio or equipping every human on earth with a pocket sized supercomputer with high speed communications capability, but it could also be killing millions of people and dropping nuclear weapons on their heads if you piss them off. So at all costs, the goodthinkers have to keep obfuscating and changing the subject ( look, over there, a Facebook post!) lest those dangerous white people catch on as to what is really going on. It was a close one there with 9/11 but they dodged that bullet, but little incidents like this keep reminding us that the enemy is not yet vanquished. So the NY Times has to do some quick tap dancing to get us distracted until the danger has passed - maybe in another day or two some rapper will get shot or some famous athlete will change his gender and take over the news cycle, but until then they have to stay ahead of the new cycle and lull us all back to sleep.
    , @Desiderius

    The people making the decisions at the NYT don’t want to mention Christians as victims of hate.
     
    Well yeah, everybody knows that to be a victim of murder you have to be killed plus powerless and Christians have all the power so they’re not really victims.
  8. @Matthew Kelly
    I'm amazed the nonsense term "hate" (in all its varieties) has retained its currency to date without the slightest hint of needing a rebranding. (Unlike, say, the term "diversity", which is slowly being phased out for the less-easily-mocked "inclusion".) That so many people just uncritically accept that word as the end-all-be-all justification for whatever it is TPTB wants to do, I find absolutely mind bottling.

    I’m amazed the nonsense term “hate” (in all its varieties) has retained its currency to date without the slightest hint of needing a rebranding. (Unlike, say, the term “diversity”, which is slowly being phased out for the less-easily-mocked “inclusion”.) That so many people just uncritically accept that word as the end-all-be-all justification for whatever it is TPTB wants to do, I find absolutely mind bottling.

    It’s an aspect of our Newspeak that people are presented to have only two gears – Love and Hate, like forward and reverse. If what you’re doing isn’t motivated by Love, it can only be motivated by Hate. It’s Manichean in its simplicity, and I’m sure we all know which political parties and movements are motivated by Love and which are motivated by Hate. Anything the Love party does is in service of Love, and anything the Hate party does is in service of Hate.

    If we put you out of business for not respecting the inalienable right to frosting in the precise configuration someone demands, we’re doing this out of Love. In contrast, denial of frosting is an act of Hate. #Lovewins Bigot.

    No one has mixed motivations, ambivalence, disgust, avoidance, a desire for mental repose, a desire to be left alone, or a desire not to be made to say obviously false things. There are no considerations such as social cohesion, tradition, established practice, or the like which should get in the way of Love.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    That’s another way of staying Haidt’s thesis from The Righteous Mind.

    https://righteousmind.com/
  9. But generations reared in violence are likely to have it in their blood,

    The NYT is saying that if multiple generations are born and raised within a certain environmental map, it has a decided effect on the expression of that gene pool, inevitably fostering genetically-based, behavioral determinism. The strong implication being that consistent aggression can determine genetic expression, and gene expression can foster consistent, irrationally aggressive behavior, en masse!

    Science tends to agree with this, but the question is, what took the NYT so long to get on board?

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    Enviornment>Mutation>Evolution>Biology>Culture.

    Darwin got this from a few finches a century and a half ago.
  10. Fortunately, NYT commenters aren’t letting the NYT editorial board off the hook. All the top “Reader Picks” comments call-out the NYT on their blatant omissions, connection to the Sri Lanka’s civil war, and mischaracterized comparisons to other one-time incidents. The Sri Lankan civil war, instigated by the Liberation Tigers, ended 10 years ago. Other one-time incidents were perpetrated by small-time operators. Like uttering the name Voldemort, the fact that this attack here was coordinated Islamic terrorism targeted at Christians should not be named.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'Fortunately, NYT commenters aren’t letting the NYT editorial board off the hook. All the top “Reader Picks” comments call-out the NYT on their blatant omissions, connection to the Sri Lanka’s civil war, and mischaracterized comparisons to other one-time incidents...'

    That's
    hardly new. Whenever the attack was apparently made by Muslim terrorists, all the Islamophobes and Zionists come out to play, and start self-righteously trooping up and down.

    Just how many unarmed demonstrators have Jews murdered in the past year? Hundreds -- it's a Friday routine -- and all to the sound of as complete a silence as possible.
  11. eD says:
    @istevefan

    the New Irish Republican Army, radical heir to republican paramilitaries of Northern Ireland’s long sectarian feud of decades past, demonstrated last week during riots in which the police suspect that a member shot dead a reporter.
     
    This is one of the biggest myth/lies I have seen. People are always blaming the violence in NI on sectarian grounds. Though religion is somewhat of a proxy between the two sides, it is not the cause of the conflict.

    If you could have waved a magic wand in 1970, and made every Protestant in NI convert to Catholicism, the violence would not have ended. So long as those formerly Protestant people still chose to be part of the United Kingdom, and not join the Republic of Ireland, the conflict would have continued.

    Likewise, if all the Protestants of NI agreed to leave the UK and join the Irish Republic, but still remained Protestant, the conflict would have subsided.

    The conflict was about which nation would reign over those 6 counties, and not over religion.

    I think this is a good explanation of the conflict. My own slightly different impression is that the Northern Ireland conflict was the same class conflict that was happening in the other two kingdoms of the UK, but more vicious and with more tribal coloring, Ulster being a pretty provincial place.

    I do agree that the Catholic vs Protestant stuff was just convenient flags for the factions to fly. Elsewhere in the world, post-Reformation tensions pretty much dissipated after Vatican 2, and the Irish Republic if anything has bent over backwards to accommodate Protestants, while at least legal discrimination against Catholics in the US was removed in the nineteenth century.

    • Agree: Endgame Napoleon
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'I think this is a good explanation of the conflict...'

    I'm skeptical. I recall a BBC interview where the reporter asked a Protestant why he hated Catholics:

    'Are ye daft, man? Because of their religion, of course.'

    Okay, religious identity is short hand for a whole complex of attitudes, identities, etc -- but it's still a religious identity. Ultimately, they each pray to a different God -- one who approves of who they are, not who the other is.
    , @Flip

    while at least legal discrimination against Catholics in the US was removed in the nineteenth century.
     
    What legal (as opposed to social) discrimination was there?
  12. Steve Sailer is like a rabid dog chewing on the neck of the horrible globalizers who spew out the propaganda at the New York Times.

    Sailer don’t give a shit about the Wall Street Journal and the antipodean arsehole globalizers in the Murdoch Organized Crime Syndicate who run it.

    Sailer is like the seemingly nice people in the Abbott and Costello “Susquehanna Hat Company” bit who go phucking berserk when they hear the name “Susquehanna Hat Company” spoken by Costello. The New York Times drives Sailer into a rage — or maybe it just steers Sailer towards a sense of mocking derision at the rancidity of the NY Times.

    I skim through and read some of the NY Times in newsprint every day, and today a two paragraph kicker from Tim Arango about some Los Angeles guy named Caruso was the best bit in there. Arango has a long opening paragraph and then he kicks the reader in the gut with an angry laugh line about Gwyneth Paltrow.

    I hereby accuse Arango of deliberating attempting to enrage populists of all races with that Paltrow annoyance. Black populists and White populists and Asian populists and Mestizo populists can all agree on one thing: Gwyneth Paltrow is an annoying bastard!

    Arango deliberately gets on our nerves by weaponizing Gwyneth Paltrow:

    MONTECITO, Calif. — Rick J. Caruso was getting excited. In a few weeks, the real estate mogul’s beachside resort in Montecito would open its doors, and the project, more so than his others in Los Angeles, was a personal one. The family crest is etched above the outdoor fireplace. The booths in one of the restaurants are inspired by Perino’s, a long-shuttered Hollywood eatery where Mr. Caruso hung out. The sundries shop is run by his friend Gwyneth Paltrow.

    “Periwinkle is the color Gwyneth wanted,” he said.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/22/us/los-angeles-rick-caruso-usc.html

    Attention Sailer:

    The horrible globalizer rodents who spew out that anti-White and anti-Christian crud in the New York Times have an ancestral animosity towards the European Christian ancestral core of the USA.

    Attention ADL and Charles Schumer and those types: Your use of the word SPEW is on the decrease and it is troubling and alarming and shocking. Please pick up the pace. Use that word as much as you used to or more, please! Thank you!

    Attention Sailer:

    Have you noticed that a certain baby boomer Jew NY Times columnist with initials D.B. has been writing as if he thinks he’s some highly enlightened guru of some sort or another. Not to be mean, but I think he has been consuming acid or quaaludes or both and he is just totally groovy, man.

    I liked D.B. better when he was a snarling, sarcastic nasty rat openly attacking White Christians and preaching the glories of the rack ’em and stack ’em life in that hot, humid multicultural Hell hole called Houston.

    The Pewitt for President exploratory committee has not paid for this comment, nor does it endorse its message.

  13. @Reg Cæsar

    in Christchurch
     
    I'm sure they wince every time they key that name in.

    I’m sure they wince every time they key that name in.

    I think somebody on this blog made a witty post that New Zealand is so bat shit crazy that we shouldn’t be surprised if they renamed Christchurch to Muhammedsmosque.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'I think somebody on this blog made a witty post that New Zealand is so bat shit crazy that we shouldn’t be surprised if they renamed Christchurch to Muhammedsmosque.'

    That would stand against the hate, so to speak, wouldn't it?

    Somebody should suggest it -- with a straight face. It could make for an entertaining five minutes.
    , @Charles Pewitt
    The Ukrainians are just now edging out the Argentinians as the craziest bastards on the planet. It has been a close damn thing, but the results speak for themselves.

    New Zealand, although populated by Anglo-Celtic nutcakes like Jacinda Ardern and Lucy Lawless, will have to ramp up the crazy to catch up with Argentines and the Ukrainians.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Maybe there are some Peak Stupidity readers who just don't want to admit they read the site. Check the bolded words in the 5th paragraph of this post on the spawn of the Hildabeast from March 19th.
  14. ” I find absolutely mind bottling.”

    Even if it’s a mistake, I’m using that from now on.

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    The movie Blades of Glory.
    , @Cagey Beast
    The auto-correct function on smartphones give us some real gems from time to time. If we were living on a more genteel and harmonious timeline, the New Yorker would publish the most droll and "ah yes!" inducing ones. As it is, their magazine is probably full of jokes written by crazy Jewesses fantasizing about Trump and his family being raped in prison. I can't be bothered to check.
  15. The NY Times has always excelled at handwringing helplessness.

  16. Sailer and Trump Scour The Seven Seas For The Anti-White Whale At The New York Times

    Hu-White Whale At The New York Times To Make The Multitudinous Seas Incarnadine

    Others have beside Trump and Sailer; I can’t blame them; it’s a lot of fun.

    Tweet from 2015:

  17. Their cherrpicking argument could have been reinforced by adding the murderous handiwork of various and sundry white school shooters, mostly from top 20% households of dual-earner professional parents with daycare or grandparent-raised kids, but that would detract from the feminist working-mom glorification.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    And imagine the mayhem if the incidence of psychotropic drug use amongst those shooters (100% by my reckoning) was to be mentioned.

    Does anybody believe MKUltra went away?

    Its coeval, Mockingbird is clearly alive and kicking.
    , @Alden
    Columbine, Sandy Hook, Stoneman Douglas.

    So exactly how do you know about the child raising practices of the parents of the shooters? Do tell. . Aren’t you the poster who blamed the Notre Dame fire on a worker so burdened with parenthood he carelessly caused the fire?

    I might be wrong, but I remember that the mothers of the Columbine shooters didn’t have jobs. Of course the fathers must have worked. But if teens are such delicate helpless creatures they need both parents hovering 24/7 it’s a wonder high schools even exist.
  18. @Buzz Mohawk
    You know, we like to make clever comments here, but Steve so often makes everything so clear that we don't have anything to add.

    The people making the decisions at the NYT don't want to mention Christians as victims of hate. They and their writers do everything they can, cleverly, to hide that.

    This is so obvious there is nothing to add here at the moment.

    So, when one reads the Times article, one gets the impression that "social media" is at fault. That's an easy diversion -- one that leaves the door open to censorship by those who deem themselves worthy to decide what is OK to say.

    I call BS -- but we who read here already know that it is.

    The people making the decisions at the NYT don’t want to mention Christians as victims of hate.

    Let’s not use terminology like “victims of hate.” They weren’t victims of hate, they were victims of explosive devices planted by Muslims.

  19. @istevefan

    the New Irish Republican Army, radical heir to republican paramilitaries of Northern Ireland’s long sectarian feud of decades past, demonstrated last week during riots in which the police suspect that a member shot dead a reporter.
     
    This is one of the biggest myth/lies I have seen. People are always blaming the violence in NI on sectarian grounds. Though religion is somewhat of a proxy between the two sides, it is not the cause of the conflict.

    If you could have waved a magic wand in 1970, and made every Protestant in NI convert to Catholicism, the violence would not have ended. So long as those formerly Protestant people still chose to be part of the United Kingdom, and not join the Republic of Ireland, the conflict would have continued.

    Likewise, if all the Protestants of NI agreed to leave the UK and join the Irish Republic, but still remained Protestant, the conflict would have subsided.

    The conflict was about which nation would reign over those 6 counties, and not over religion.

    It’s a bit of both – a tribal conflict between those identifying as Irish and those identifying as Brits (mainly descendants of various incomers from England/Scotland/Wales over the centuries), where religion acts as a reasonable proxy for ethnicity.

    In the past religion may have been as important as ethnicity, but I doubt if in the Pozzed Republic now there are many ultramontanes, and in the North there seem to be no preachers against the Scarlet Woman Of Rome with an Ian Paisley-size following.

  20. @eD
    I think this is a good explanation of the conflict. My own slightly different impression is that the Northern Ireland conflict was the same class conflict that was happening in the other two kingdoms of the UK, but more vicious and with more tribal coloring, Ulster being a pretty provincial place.

    I do agree that the Catholic vs Protestant stuff was just convenient flags for the factions to fly. Elsewhere in the world, post-Reformation tensions pretty much dissipated after Vatican 2, and the Irish Republic if anything has bent over backwards to accommodate Protestants, while at least legal discrimination against Catholics in the US was removed in the nineteenth century.

    ‘I think this is a good explanation of the conflict…’

    I’m skeptical. I recall a BBC interview where the reporter asked a Protestant why he hated Catholics:

    ‘Are ye daft, man? Because of their religion, of course.’

    Okay, religious identity is short hand for a whole complex of attitudes, identities, etc — but it’s still a religious identity. Ultimately, they each pray to a different God — one who approves of who they are, not who the other is.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    I have found that people from all sorts of traditions and political stripes in Ireland do insist that the conflict was (is?) about who ran the place, far more than it was about religion. Outsiders prefer the idea that it's all about religion, so that's what they stick with no matter what anyone says to the contrary.
    , @megabar
    > Okay, religious identity is short hand for a whole complex of attitudes, identities, etc — but it’s still a religious identity

    Right, but that doesn't explain why the Irish Catholics and Protestants hated each other to begin with. They certainly don't elsewhere. I don't know much about the Troubles in Ireland, but Catholics vs. Protestants seems too neat and simplistic to me. If someone wants to enact the unpaid labor to educate me, feel free.

    We know that people can bind tightly to their groups, whether that be socioeconomic class, political party, religion, etc. We know that groups will often, but not always, descend into conflict with other groups. Exactly what causes a group to conflict with another is likely either resentment or a feeling of threat (to current status or desired future status). Perceptions of unfairness and threat are very strong drivers of human psychology.

    For example, poor minorities in this country resent whites because of the wealth disparity, and conservative whites feel threatened by minorities, who are likely going to forever change the culture and prosperity of the US.

    Once group conflict is started, it is enough for someone to merely be part of the other group, because that's the way human minds work. And so Irish Catholics hate Irish Protestants, and vice versa. But there must be some substantive reason (threat or resentment) for it to have gotten started in the first place.

    A stable society needs to account for this. Homogeneity is perhaps the easiest way to do it.
  21. @istevefan

    I’m sure they wince every time they key that name in.
     
    I think somebody on this blog made a witty post that New Zealand is so bat shit crazy that we shouldn't be surprised if they renamed Christchurch to Muhammedsmosque.

    ‘I think somebody on this blog made a witty post that New Zealand is so bat shit crazy that we shouldn’t be surprised if they renamed Christchurch to Muhammedsmosque.’

    That would stand against the hate, so to speak, wouldn’t it?

    Somebody should suggest it — with a straight face. It could make for an entertaining five minutes.

  22. @Buzz Mohawk
    You know, we like to make clever comments here, but Steve so often makes everything so clear that we don't have anything to add.

    The people making the decisions at the NYT don't want to mention Christians as victims of hate. They and their writers do everything they can, cleverly, to hide that.

    This is so obvious there is nothing to add here at the moment.

    So, when one reads the Times article, one gets the impression that "social media" is at fault. That's an easy diversion -- one that leaves the door open to censorship by those who deem themselves worthy to decide what is OK to say.

    I call BS -- but we who read here already know that it is.

    Buzz, if nothing else, Steve keeps me from reading the NYT and WaPo, better for my mental health.

  23. @MNL
    Fortunately, NYT commenters aren't letting the NYT editorial board off the hook. All the top "Reader Picks" comments call-out the NYT on their blatant omissions, connection to the Sri Lanka's civil war, and mischaracterized comparisons to other one-time incidents. The Sri Lankan civil war, instigated by the Liberation Tigers, ended 10 years ago. Other one-time incidents were perpetrated by small-time operators. Like uttering the name Voldemort, the fact that this attack here was coordinated Islamic terrorism targeted at Christians should not be named.

    ‘Fortunately, NYT commenters aren’t letting the NYT editorial board off the hook. All the top “Reader Picks” comments call-out the NYT on their blatant omissions, connection to the Sri Lanka’s civil war, and mischaracterized comparisons to other one-time incidents…’

    That’s hardly new. Whenever the attack was apparently made by Muslim terrorists, all the Islamophobes and Zionists come out to play, and start self-righteously trooping up and down.

    Just how many unarmed demonstrators have Jews murdered in the past year? Hundreds — it’s a Friday routine — and all to the sound of as complete a silence as possible.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Indonesia has killed 10x as many unarmed demonstrators this year but i haven't seen you get worked up about it. Your takkiyah is pretty bad.
    , @Jack D
    Whereas when Gazans protest against Hamas, their free speech rights are given the utmost respect:


    Hamas security forces moved quickly to quell the protests that brought hundreds of people into the streets in at least four camps and towns across Gaza this month to demand better living conditions.

    The security forces beat demonstrators, raided homes and detained organizers, journalists and participants, about 1,000 people in all. Along with the uniformed officers, masked, plainclothes Hamas enforcers armed with pistols, batons and wooden rods attacked the protesters, according to witnesses, and prevented journalists and human rights workers from documenting the events.
     
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/24/world/middleeast/gaza-protests-hamas.html

    Arab's idea of a "peaceful" protest:

    "Bring a dagger, a knife or a gun"

    "kidnap Israeli civilians and transfer them to Hamas immediately"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHNo-7vnDx4

    Maybe the NY Times editorial board are stupid enough to buy your "religion of peace" bullshit but the Israelis know who they are dealing with and can't allow themselves to be overrun by bloodthirsty Muslim mobs.
  24. My rightwing anger is being unwisely stoked.

  25. @istevefan

    I’m sure they wince every time they key that name in.
     
    I think somebody on this blog made a witty post that New Zealand is so bat shit crazy that we shouldn't be surprised if they renamed Christchurch to Muhammedsmosque.

    The Ukrainians are just now edging out the Argentinians as the craziest bastards on the planet. It has been a close damn thing, but the results speak for themselves.

    New Zealand, although populated by Anglo-Celtic nutcakes like Jacinda Ardern and Lucy Lawless, will have to ramp up the crazy to catch up with Argentines and the Ukrainians.

  26. Slightly OT. Yesterday my wife and I volunteered at an inner city mission as we do once a week. On the way home she told me that a man asked for a carton of milk, which we keep in the commercial size refrigerator and she explained that the milk was just for children or cooking. He looked at her and said…”If I was white you’d give me milk.” and then walked away. There were seven volunteers yesterday and the kitchen manager, all white. The NYT, WaPo and the MSM stir the pot of hate constantly throwing in scraps that they call reasons to hate whites. I am actually sad that my wife left feeling like she had done something wrong, when all she did was follow long established rules. To paraphrase something I read here, 1864 and 1964 were yesterday.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    If it wasn't for the convenient excuse of white racism, that fellow would have to look in the mirror and blame himself for why a grown ass abled bodied man in one of the richest countries in the world does not have $1.06 to buy his own quart of milk. It's much easier to blame the white lady who is trying to help him.
    , @Cortes
    I trust your wife was denying him the milk for his own good.

    https://www.foodbeast.com/news/map-of-milk-consumption-lactose-intolerance-around-the-world/

    , @Chick Gandil

    Slightly OT. Yesterday my wife and I volunteered at an inner city mission as we do once a week. On the way home she told me that a man asked for a carton of milk, which we keep in the commercial size refrigerator and she explained that the milk was just for children or cooking. He looked at her and said…”If I was white you’d give me milk.” and then walked away. There were seven volunteers yesterday and the kitchen manager, all white. The NYT, WaPo and the MSM stir the pot of hate constantly throwing in scraps that they call reasons to hate whites. I am actually sad that my wife left feeling like she had done something wrong, when all she did was follow long established rules. To paraphrase something I read here, 1864 and 1964 were yesterday.
     
    OMG! Your wife's neurotic search for self esteem and salvation via uplifting a hostile tribe ended in bad feelings. :(
    , @G. Poulin
    You, your wife, the other volunteers, and the kitchen manager need to stop volunteering at inner city missions. Spend more time with your own families and neighbors. God won't mind, believe me.
    , @Anonymous
    Milk, the famed white elixer must be kept solely for our kind, along with its eldritch energies. Your wife did the right thing. Our ancestral talismans are for wypipo only.
    , @Anonymous
    For some reason, that reminds me of when politicians like John Edwards will invoke state-of-Greatest-Generation-art sentimental examples like "the 5-year-old girl shivering in this town because she has no coat." Our thrift stores have so many girls' coats they get shipped abroad to shield against the famous harsh winters of Haiti and Lebanon. I daresay it's pretty easy, with some patience and minimal planning, to get yourself some free milk, in a carton even, in a country where local "food bank" outfits are ubiquitous and will draw obvious crowds of prima-facie needy (at least needy enough to wait in line for several hours with the other freeloaders). I don't think it's a racially advantaged thing; in NYC the Dominicans had a good business exporting the proverbial government cheese back home for a profit, implying the sufficient scale of this routine wealth transfer. So the guy who accosted your wife was really complaining about a lack of volunteer concern for his own convenience. Makes him look less destitute that way, rather more like a selfish bum. Anyway, surly panhandlers don't last very long in the profession
    , @Hypnotoad666
    He was probably lactose intolerant anyway.
  27. This is not as bad as it could be. It mentions Easter and churches on the victim side, Islamists as the perpetrators. Then it gets into the whole “climate of hate thing” and goes off the rails.

    This was not a one off crazy guy like Christchurch or Las Vegas. This was an organized military operation that required dozens if not hundreds of people to be involved. That’s the real difference. It’s becoming clearer that this attack was intended as retaliation for Christchurch. Islamists operate on the Nazi reprisal principle – if you kill one of ours, we kill 10 of yours. There is no negotiation possible with enemies like this. They must be eliminated to the point where they can no longer offer organized resistance. This doesn’t require killing all Muslims any more that we were required to kill every last German to get rid of the Nazis. They just must be so detached from power and weapons and so deprived of popular support that they are rendered harmless. So preaching of Islamist ideology must be banned the same way that Nazism is banned in Europe. Islamists will always look for weak points so assistance must be given to places like Ceylon with the corresponding stick that their governments will be held accountable if any Westerners are injured.

    • Agree: Forbes, Desiderius
    • Replies: @a reader

    Islamists operate on the Nazi reprisal principle – if you kill one of ours, we kill 10 of yours.
     
    Let's hope they don't switch to the Israeli reprisal principle - if you kill three of ours, we kill 2,000+ of yours.
    , @Colin Wright
    '...Islamists operate on the Nazi reprisal principle – if you kill one of ours, we kill 10 of yours. There is no negotiation possible with enemies like this. They must be eliminated to the point where they can no longer offer organized resistance...'

    God help us.
    , @Fran800
    Actually, all that would have been necessary would have been to keep them out of 9ur countries, as we strove to do for centuries. Bringing in Muslims as immigrants, let alone mass immigration of Muslims and other Third Worlders is the root cause of the trouble.I believe there was an elderly Australian senator named Frazer Anning who said as much. Then he was bopped on the head with an egg by a 17-year old creep.
  28. @istevefan

    the New Irish Republican Army, radical heir to republican paramilitaries of Northern Ireland’s long sectarian feud of decades past, demonstrated last week during riots in which the police suspect that a member shot dead a reporter.
     
    This is one of the biggest myth/lies I have seen. People are always blaming the violence in NI on sectarian grounds. Though religion is somewhat of a proxy between the two sides, it is not the cause of the conflict.

    If you could have waved a magic wand in 1970, and made every Protestant in NI convert to Catholicism, the violence would not have ended. So long as those formerly Protestant people still chose to be part of the United Kingdom, and not join the Republic of Ireland, the conflict would have continued.

    Likewise, if all the Protestants of NI agreed to leave the UK and join the Irish Republic, but still remained Protestant, the conflict would have subsided.

    The conflict was about which nation would reign over those 6 counties, and not over religion.

    And that’s why just as surely as Saturday precedes Sunday, Easter in Northern Ireland is marked by a new “Republican” outrage. An observer from elsewhere might think it was planned to stir things up (Easter being the anniversary of the 1916 Rising).

  29. @Buzz Mohawk
    You know, we like to make clever comments here, but Steve so often makes everything so clear that we don't have anything to add.

    The people making the decisions at the NYT don't want to mention Christians as victims of hate. They and their writers do everything they can, cleverly, to hide that.

    This is so obvious there is nothing to add here at the moment.

    So, when one reads the Times article, one gets the impression that "social media" is at fault. That's an easy diversion -- one that leaves the door open to censorship by those who deem themselves worthy to decide what is OK to say.

    I call BS -- but we who read here already know that it is.

    Good point–social media is an all-purpose bogeyman. (More pointedly, a distraction from reporting actual events.)

    Social media, after all, is just words. Words used to communicate, but still just words. The same form the NYT uses to express its own form of insanity.

    Victims, and the perpetrators of the violence against them, requires deeds and actions, and are not delivered in the form of words. A distinction the NYT appears to completely miss.

  30. @Buffalo Joe
    Slightly OT. Yesterday my wife and I volunteered at an inner city mission as we do once a week. On the way home she told me that a man asked for a carton of milk, which we keep in the commercial size refrigerator and she explained that the milk was just for children or cooking. He looked at her and said..."If I was white you'd give me milk." and then walked away. There were seven volunteers yesterday and the kitchen manager, all white. The NYT, WaPo and the MSM stir the pot of hate constantly throwing in scraps that they call reasons to hate whites. I am actually sad that my wife left feeling like she had done something wrong, when all she did was follow long established rules. To paraphrase something I read here, 1864 and 1964 were yesterday.

    If it wasn’t for the convenient excuse of white racism, that fellow would have to look in the mirror and blame himself for why a grown ass abled bodied man in one of the richest countries in the world does not have $1.06 to buy his own quart of milk. It’s much easier to blame the white lady who is trying to help him.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    I calmly ask able-bodied beggars who approach me if they’ve got some money to spare to help my family. Come to think of it I don’t remember any since Trump.
  31. @Buffalo Joe
    Slightly OT. Yesterday my wife and I volunteered at an inner city mission as we do once a week. On the way home she told me that a man asked for a carton of milk, which we keep in the commercial size refrigerator and she explained that the milk was just for children or cooking. He looked at her and said..."If I was white you'd give me milk." and then walked away. There were seven volunteers yesterday and the kitchen manager, all white. The NYT, WaPo and the MSM stir the pot of hate constantly throwing in scraps that they call reasons to hate whites. I am actually sad that my wife left feeling like she had done something wrong, when all she did was follow long established rules. To paraphrase something I read here, 1864 and 1964 were yesterday.

    I trust your wife was denying him the milk for his own good.

    https://www.foodbeast.com/news/map-of-milk-consumption-lactose-intolerance-around-the-world/

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Cortes, don't share this with my wife, that's above her pay grade, but good wife and outstanding mother.
  32. “There were seven volunteers yesterday and the kitchen manager, all white. The NYT, WaPo and the MSM stir the pot of hate constantly throwing in scraps that they call reasons to hate whites. ”

    Having worked in the inner city more than once as a volunteer and on mission, there’s one observation that cannot be understated. Most people are very fine individuals. If you can’t handle the animosity that exists in inner city populations resulting from a myriad of possibilities —

    don’t work in those populations. The hate that exists, and I ran into very little is does not require stirring. It’s an inherited part of the US social policy. You know, issues like: red lining, police over use of force (even by a small number), economic policy – immigration . . .

    it doesn’t mean that said is acceptable. But you either address it, let it slide or don’t bother. What i learned is that over time, you either earn their trust or you do not.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Elite, so if I read you correctly, hate is a one way street and as for time, I am 73 as of Friday, seen things done things and you sound a bit like an anthropologist living with a primitive tribe, waiting for the annointment of trust. Whatever.
    , @TWS
    No I'm thinking either they can be pleasant or leave. Their hate is their own. Nobody but them is responsible.
    , @MBlanc46
    Earn their trust. Right.
  33. What a nauseating piece of editorial!

  34. Suicide bombing seems to be invented in Sri Lanka by Tamil Tigers though some Hindu nationalists point the finger at the know how transfer from Israel.

    http://www.unz.com/kbarrett/simultaneous-notre-dame-al-aqsa-fires-coincidence-or-conspiracy/#comment-3171651

  35. @Reg Cæsar

    in Christchurch
     
    I'm sure they wince every time they key that name in.

    You kidding? That’s conquered territory. They relish it.

  36. @Jack D
    If it wasn't for the convenient excuse of white racism, that fellow would have to look in the mirror and blame himself for why a grown ass abled bodied man in one of the richest countries in the world does not have $1.06 to buy his own quart of milk. It's much easier to blame the white lady who is trying to help him.

    I calmly ask able-bodied beggars who approach me if they’ve got some money to spare to help my family. Come to think of it I don’t remember any since Trump.

  37. We need to build absolutely, transparently objective tools that detect patterns like this across the board from every media platform. That’s where the fight against fake news has to start.

  38. Why don’t we just abolish Social Media and go back to Sulzberger Media? Huh?

    If they offered you, Steve Sailer, 1 million dollars a year for not satirizing them as you do, they’d act quite rational, from my point of view.

    (To put it more bluntly: I’ve laughed my ass off once again – thanks!)

  39. @Buzz Mohawk
    You know, we like to make clever comments here, but Steve so often makes everything so clear that we don't have anything to add.

    The people making the decisions at the NYT don't want to mention Christians as victims of hate. They and their writers do everything they can, cleverly, to hide that.

    This is so obvious there is nothing to add here at the moment.

    So, when one reads the Times article, one gets the impression that "social media" is at fault. That's an easy diversion -- one that leaves the door open to censorship by those who deem themselves worthy to decide what is OK to say.

    I call BS -- but we who read here already know that it is.

    What underlies this is the understanding, deep down, that Western civilization, and especially the US is highly effective at getting shit done once it decides to focus on it. This could be putting men on the moon or finding a cure for polio or equipping every human on earth with a pocket sized supercomputer with high speed communications capability, but it could also be killing millions of people and dropping nuclear weapons on their heads if you piss them off. So at all costs, the goodthinkers have to keep obfuscating and changing the subject ( look, over there, a Facebook post!) lest those dangerous white people catch on as to what is really going on. It was a close one there with 9/11 but they dodged that bullet, but little incidents like this keep reminding us that the enemy is not yet vanquished. So the NY Times has to do some quick tap dancing to get us distracted until the danger has passed – maybe in another day or two some rapper will get shot or some famous athlete will change his gender and take over the news cycle, but until then they have to stay ahead of the new cycle and lull us all back to sleep.

    • Replies: @Logan
    You probably realize that this is the unspoken assumption behind why "hate" isn't a problem, in their minds, when expressed by the "approved" identity groups: women, racial and sexual minorities, Muslims, etc.

    They may be expressing hate, but there's no reason to worry because these groups aren't competent enough to really put their hate into effective action.

    But the idea of white guys filled with hate terrifies them. And with good reason.

    Now a logical person would realize that the smart thing to do is to not push the truly dangerous people too far. But they clearly are not operating on logic.
  40. @Buzz Mohawk
    You know, we like to make clever comments here, but Steve so often makes everything so clear that we don't have anything to add.

    The people making the decisions at the NYT don't want to mention Christians as victims of hate. They and their writers do everything they can, cleverly, to hide that.

    This is so obvious there is nothing to add here at the moment.

    So, when one reads the Times article, one gets the impression that "social media" is at fault. That's an easy diversion -- one that leaves the door open to censorship by those who deem themselves worthy to decide what is OK to say.

    I call BS -- but we who read here already know that it is.

    The people making the decisions at the NYT don’t want to mention Christians as victims of hate.

    Well yeah, everybody knows that to be a victim of murder you have to be killed plus powerless and Christians have all the power so they’re not really victims.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    Well, Jesus Christ IS the all-powerful ruler of Heaven and Earth so....
  41. But if the victims are named as Christian, the NYT might end up going down a rabbithole, and say white, Christian (and religious Jewish) males aren’t responsible for all the world’s problems.

  42. @Matthew Kelly
    I'm amazed the nonsense term "hate" (in all its varieties) has retained its currency to date without the slightest hint of needing a rebranding. (Unlike, say, the term "diversity", which is slowly being phased out for the less-easily-mocked "inclusion".) That so many people just uncritically accept that word as the end-all-be-all justification for whatever it is TPTB wants to do, I find absolutely mind bottling.

    I like that!

    “Mind-bottling.”

    • Replies: @Matthew Kelly
    I can't claim credit for that. Not sure if it was a Will Farrell ad lib or written for him, but the credit goes in general to Blades of Glory.

    "I see you still look like a fifteen year old girl, but not hot!"
  43. @Jack D
    What underlies this is the understanding, deep down, that Western civilization, and especially the US is highly effective at getting shit done once it decides to focus on it. This could be putting men on the moon or finding a cure for polio or equipping every human on earth with a pocket sized supercomputer with high speed communications capability, but it could also be killing millions of people and dropping nuclear weapons on their heads if you piss them off. So at all costs, the goodthinkers have to keep obfuscating and changing the subject ( look, over there, a Facebook post!) lest those dangerous white people catch on as to what is really going on. It was a close one there with 9/11 but they dodged that bullet, but little incidents like this keep reminding us that the enemy is not yet vanquished. So the NY Times has to do some quick tap dancing to get us distracted until the danger has passed - maybe in another day or two some rapper will get shot or some famous athlete will change his gender and take over the news cycle, but until then they have to stay ahead of the new cycle and lull us all back to sleep.

    You probably realize that this is the unspoken assumption behind why “hate” isn’t a problem, in their minds, when expressed by the “approved” identity groups: women, racial and sexual minorities, Muslims, etc.

    They may be expressing hate, but there’s no reason to worry because these groups aren’t competent enough to really put their hate into effective action.

    But the idea of white guys filled with hate terrifies them. And with good reason.

    Now a logical person would realize that the smart thing to do is to not push the truly dangerous people too far. But they clearly are not operating on logic.

  44. The real value in this reluctance story is that it undermines the argument buy Western Elites including advisers such as Mr. Brzezinski. That argument is that the world order is being held together by the West and if the United States plays an integral part in maintaining that to maintain peace. But it look around other parts of the globe outside the Middle East indicates and Europe that the world is under considerable conflict and stress. And as evidenced by the Sri Lankan example and they’re not the only ones some of that conflict and stress is deadly.

    It’s evidence that the power of the United States nor the Western world has control over every aspect of the globe nor should they.

    Sovereignty matters.

  45. @Buffalo Joe
    Slightly OT. Yesterday my wife and I volunteered at an inner city mission as we do once a week. On the way home she told me that a man asked for a carton of milk, which we keep in the commercial size refrigerator and she explained that the milk was just for children or cooking. He looked at her and said..."If I was white you'd give me milk." and then walked away. There were seven volunteers yesterday and the kitchen manager, all white. The NYT, WaPo and the MSM stir the pot of hate constantly throwing in scraps that they call reasons to hate whites. I am actually sad that my wife left feeling like she had done something wrong, when all she did was follow long established rules. To paraphrase something I read here, 1864 and 1964 were yesterday.

    Slightly OT. Yesterday my wife and I volunteered at an inner city mission as we do once a week. On the way home she told me that a man asked for a carton of milk, which we keep in the commercial size refrigerator and she explained that the milk was just for children or cooking. He looked at her and said…”If I was white you’d give me milk.” and then walked away. There were seven volunteers yesterday and the kitchen manager, all white. The NYT, WaPo and the MSM stir the pot of hate constantly throwing in scraps that they call reasons to hate whites. I am actually sad that my wife left feeling like she had done something wrong, when all she did was follow long established rules. To paraphrase something I read here, 1864 and 1964 were yesterday.

    OMG! Your wife’s neurotic search for self esteem and salvation via uplifting a hostile tribe ended in bad feelings. 🙁

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    That is the subtext of her story. Perhaps she won’t be returning soon. That ended up being my take on those kind of soup kitchens.
    , @William Badwhite
    Probably a tad harsh. Likely she doesn't yet view them as a "hostile tribe" but as fellow Americans in need of help/charity. Hopefully that sort of sullen assholishness was noticed by her and she starts to connect the dots.

    I suspect those of us who have come to view them as a "hostile tribe" are growing in number. I washed my hands of them during Trayvon-gate. As far as I could tell they were demanding the right to commit crimes with impunity. Also not only to be able to violently attack anyone that violated some obscure ghetto "dis" code, but if the person attacked was able to successfully defend themselves, then the altercation needed to end immediately before the black got hurt.

    I think non-majority white America is going to end up really being unpleasant for blacks. Nobody gives a shit about them except whites and nobody is willing to put up with their shit but whites. By the time they realize this, it'll be too late.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Chick, so I must be neurotic too, but I don't think I'm searching for salvation by volunteering. Sometimes it's just nice to be nice. I already have plenty of self esteem or have I read too much into your comment?
  46. @Jack D
    This is not as bad as it could be. It mentions Easter and churches on the victim side, Islamists as the perpetrators. Then it gets into the whole "climate of hate thing" and goes off the rails.

    This was not a one off crazy guy like Christchurch or Las Vegas. This was an organized military operation that required dozens if not hundreds of people to be involved. That's the real difference. It's becoming clearer that this attack was intended as retaliation for Christchurch. Islamists operate on the Nazi reprisal principle - if you kill one of ours, we kill 10 of yours. There is no negotiation possible with enemies like this. They must be eliminated to the point where they can no longer offer organized resistance. This doesn't require killing all Muslims any more that we were required to kill every last German to get rid of the Nazis. They just must be so detached from power and weapons and so deprived of popular support that they are rendered harmless. So preaching of Islamist ideology must be banned the same way that Nazism is banned in Europe. Islamists will always look for weak points so assistance must be given to places like Ceylon with the corresponding stick that their governments will be held accountable if any Westerners are injured.

    Islamists operate on the Nazi reprisal principle – if you kill one of ours, we kill 10 of yours.

    Let’s hope they don’t switch to the Israeli reprisal principle – if you kill three of ours, we kill 2,000+ of yours.

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Jack D
    They would if they could. If Hamas and Israel could trade armies just for one day, at the end of that day there would be no Jews left alive in all of Israel.

    Hamas knew exactly what it was doing. Israel (insanely in my view) overvalues its troops and is willing to trade 1 Israeli for thousands of Arab prisoners so Hamas is willing to pay almost any price to get its hands on an Israel hostage. Hundreds dead at the border, millions wasted on invasion tunnels - it's all well worth it to them if they can only kidnap 1 Israeli soldier.
    , @Redneck farmer
    Well, the "inventors of advanced mathematics" set the value of 1 Israeli at over 1,500 "anti-Zionists" after the 2006 war. Not Israel's problem they can't do math.
  47. I predict they will mention Christians, but in a Pravda piece about how “Christians mourn together with Muslims.” NPR’s This American Life had another one of those stories microscopically cataloging every “refugee” stubbed toe while saying nothing about American suffering: the effect of this failure of empathy is predictable, self-explanatory, and a measure of their confidence. This particular story asks us to believe that Trump supporters are stupid but good-hearted, that they never imagined emotional stories about crying children (which have filled the entire global mainstream media for the entire Merkelboner), and, once confronted with Oh This Humanity, become open-borders bed-lenders who raise bail money for “refugees” awaiting their court dates.
    Yes, awaiting court dates. Not getting deported. The lead-in to the story rips off one of the best scenes in Twin Peaks and makes you expect someone to mention airplanes in Manhattan, but it turns out to be about a company town with a captive illegal population (which Ira Glass takes no issue whatsoever with, although he does object to some INS phrasing [about who their target is in workplace raids] in an official statement because apparently arguable hypocrisy is a bigger story than organized crime). The cuck actress they have representing Trump supporters actually says that she didn’t expect workplace raids. After pornographically indulgent air time handed over to incoherent weeping by children (didn’t see that coming!) nobody got deported or even taken, it was just a very obnoxious way of giving illegals court dates, which they will ignore like they ignored our laws.

  48. @Jack D
    This is not as bad as it could be. It mentions Easter and churches on the victim side, Islamists as the perpetrators. Then it gets into the whole "climate of hate thing" and goes off the rails.

    This was not a one off crazy guy like Christchurch or Las Vegas. This was an organized military operation that required dozens if not hundreds of people to be involved. That's the real difference. It's becoming clearer that this attack was intended as retaliation for Christchurch. Islamists operate on the Nazi reprisal principle - if you kill one of ours, we kill 10 of yours. There is no negotiation possible with enemies like this. They must be eliminated to the point where they can no longer offer organized resistance. This doesn't require killing all Muslims any more that we were required to kill every last German to get rid of the Nazis. They just must be so detached from power and weapons and so deprived of popular support that they are rendered harmless. So preaching of Islamist ideology must be banned the same way that Nazism is banned in Europe. Islamists will always look for weak points so assistance must be given to places like Ceylon with the corresponding stick that their governments will be held accountable if any Westerners are injured.

    ‘…Islamists operate on the Nazi reprisal principle – if you kill one of ours, we kill 10 of yours. There is no negotiation possible with enemies like this. They must be eliminated to the point where they can no longer offer organized resistance…’

    God help us.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    I would be happy with "they have to stay in their countries, and if they're so much as visiting here they have to actually obey the rules." But JD has that albatross around his neck, where "their" putative country would also be his.
  49. CK says:

    I live in a comfortably liberal community, one where many neatly manicured lawns sport this tripe:
    https://hatehasnohomehere.org/ . It is as if these swpl sjws believe that the opposite of hate is love.
    The opposite of strong is weak, the opposite of hate/ love is indifference. Meh has no home here.

  50. Goyim-hatred has always been the problem, not anti-semitism. Goyim-hatred is when the Chosen (Judith Miller, Friedman, NYT) promote the destruction of Iraq, Syria, soon Iran, and obviously Occupied Palestine. Nowhere do anti-semites run up such large numbers of deaths and ethnic cleansing. A few Jews in Pittsburgh are murdered by a one-off wacko and you never hear the end of it. Madeleine Albright says it’s ok to murder 500,000 Iraqi kids but if a Chosenites gets a hangnail it is WWIII.
    Why should anyone fear being called an anti-Semite when it is the Khazars that are killing the real Semites.
    Time to take on the false narratives of Israel.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Very poor takkiyah. If you mention kazars lol you might as well mention unicorns and mermaids.

    Nigeria has killed 2.5 million in occupied Biafra , Indonesia has killed 500k ( 1/4 the native population) in occupied West Papua , Turkey has killed 70k in occupied Cyprus and Kurdistan , Sudan has killed 800k in Darfur , Russia has killed over 250k in occupied Chechnya,Dagestan,Kaliningrad and Crimea. and the list goes on .
  51. @Desiderius

    The people making the decisions at the NYT don’t want to mention Christians as victims of hate.
     
    Well yeah, everybody knows that to be a victim of murder you have to be killed plus powerless and Christians have all the power so they’re not really victims.

    Well, Jesus Christ IS the all-powerful ruler of Heaven and Earth so….

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Jesus isn’t a Christian.
  52. Semites (Jews) making excuses for Semitic (Islamic) violence is nothing new.

    Jews will always ultimately look to protect the militant “broom of Israel” (Islam) to escort them intact to the final war that is meant to destroy us all.

    Zohar Shemot 32a.

    Note that the Semites at the NYT are perfectly fine endorsing the vehicle of social media throughout their attempted coup of the President of the United States over the past two years.

  53. Well yeah, everybody knows that to be a victim of murder you have to be killed plus powerless and Christians have all the power so they’re not really victims.

    Really? I think the NYT follows a predictable premise of theirs, which drives their editorial content.

    The NYT believes brown people are innate savages, a biological rung below white people, so not bound by the ethical constraints of modern civilization white people pride themselves on.

    Consider a poodle walking on its hind legs. It’s applauded and marveled at when it’s achieved, but it’s most certainly not a mode of behavior that is expected, and no one would consider scolding a poodle if it went back to walking on all fours, while a man choosing to exclusively walk on all fours would be an object of scorn and derision in most cases.

    This is the reason the NYT gives white people “the business,” while non-whites are to be treated differently in their eyes. To the NYT, brown people will never consistently, manifestly “walk erect” in our lifetime, and to treat them as if they could makes us worse than the brown people we might criticize, since white people should know better.

    Hope this helps sort things out.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Desiderius

    Really?
     
    No
  54. OFF TOPIC

    Trump and Kushner push mass legal immigration and illegal immigration and AMNESTY for illegal alien invaders.

    I hereby challenge Trump and Kushner to a 4 hour debate on mass legal immigration and illegal immigration and amnesty for illegal alien invaders and American national identity.

  55. Rough translation of this execrable word cloud from the NYT Editorial Board:

    Some people recently did something in Sri Lanka. But, you know, people are always doing things somewhere for some reason or another. Sometimes people do bad things. And that’s bad. You know, there was once a civil war in Sri Lanka a long time ago. And once upon a time in Ireland people were were even doing things there, too. We don’t always know why people do things. The world is confusing. But bad things on social media are also bad. Somebody who knows what to do about that should really get busy and do something.

    Anyway, just sayin.’

    — The New York Times Editorial Board

    When you have nothing to say, the general rule is that it’s best to keep your mouth shut. This is just such a really, really bizarre editorial. I can’t imagine the thought process or the writing process behind this.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  56. @Anon
    " I find absolutely mind bottling."

    Even if it's a mistake, I'm using that from now on.

    The movie Blades of Glory.

  57. @Anon
    " I find absolutely mind bottling."

    Even if it's a mistake, I'm using that from now on.

    The auto-correct function on smartphones give us some real gems from time to time. If we were living on a more genteel and harmonious timeline, the New Yorker would publish the most droll and “ah yes!” inducing ones. As it is, their magazine is probably full of jokes written by crazy Jewesses fantasizing about Trump and his family being raped in prison. I can’t be bothered to check.

  58. The NYT doesn’t want to “go there”, but to the extent that there is a common link–911, Pittsburgh synogogue, Christchurch mosque, Sri Lanka churchs and Northern Ireland–it’s that

    Diversity creates conflict.

    It’s obvious, simple and true.

    Northern Ireland should have been repartitioned–people moved around appropriately–between people who saw themselves as Irish and wanted to live in Ireland and people who saw themselves as British and wanted to live in the UK.

    The 911 terrorists should not have been in the US. And generally the US should not have its troops gallivvanting through the muzzy world. (Let them kill each other.)

    The Pittsburgh shooter was probably a not very well bolted down dude. But i assume if you probe his “thinking” or motivation than it’s true American Jews should cease their continual minoritarian, “nation of immigrants”, lets-replace-white-people stuff that generates this animosity.

    There should not be any Muslims in New Zealand–period. That’s just ridiculous on its face–an insult to good governance.

    I’m not familar enough with Sri Lankan history to comment very intelligently. I’d assume the muslims were converted by Arab traders back in the day and the Catholics from the Portuguese. I.e. both there a long time, though differential fertility now driving up the muzzy numbers.

    In general it would be goodness to have muslims separated from/removed from everyone else whereever they are because they are generally “do not play well with others”–particularly so in this era of Saudi funded Wahhabi ascendency.

    But bottom line: where there is diversity, there is conflcit.

    • Agree: GermanReader2
    • Replies: @istevefan

    Diversity creates conflict.
     
    Yep. When you examine these terror acts and conflicts in both time and place, it seems more often than not it is a case of group versus group. There are exceptions. But mostly we have different peoples separated by race, ethnicity, language, religion,etc., who rub shoulders and fight.

    A good chunk of European history was the bloody sorting of the various peoples into their nations. Formerly colonized, third world nations, whose maps were irresponsibly drawn around disparate groups, are going though a similar process now.

    It either takes an ignoramus, or a monster to want to pile on the kindling in nations who have already completed their sort to force them to go through it again. For a group of people who claim to be adherents to science and reason, I will have to go with the latter. They must be monsters wanting to unleash hell again on those nations who had achieved some semblance of peace and stability after centuries of bloody sorting.
    , @Jack D
    Your dream of mono-ethnic paradises have existed in only a few places in the world for a brief period and these were usually made possible by bloody ethnic cleansings (this includes the US). New Zealand, which you might imagine as one of the whitest places on earth, always had a substantial Maori population and still does - they were there first, so "they all have to go back" in NZ would mean the English most of all.
    , @megabar
    > But bottom line: where there is diversity, there is conflict.

    I agree with the main point here. I posted someone very similar, myself. I quibble only in that I don't think it's diversity itself, but rather when some group feels threatened by or resentful of another group.

    Perhaps the distinction is mostly academic, because any significant degree of diversity will likely lead to feelings of threat or resentment, because people are not interchangeable, and thus diversity will generally lead to inequality.

    Depending on how you define things, the various European immigrants to the US represent diversity that did not lead to (lasting) conflict, because they were at root pretty compatible, and their differences were mostly superficial and faded after a generation or two.

    As another thought experiment, consider that a small amount of diverse immigrants probably are a net positive to a country, if the percentage is enforced to be a small enough amount. In such a system, no one is ever threatened by them culturally, economically, etc. They will assimilate, and if the society is eugenic, then any unique beneficial genes they have could be incorporated.

    A counterargument might be that it's not worth the risk, which I admit I am increasingly sympathetic to, given the times.
    , @Cagey Beast
    Diversity causes friction but then so do many things. People who force diversity on others, or who use it as a weapon against their enemies, should be resisted. So too should people who try to impose uniformity where diversity has long existed. Most parts of the world had diversity long before the age of jet travel and steamships.

    My guess is more people have suffered and died in the last 250 years at the hands of people trying to impose uniformity, rather than at the hands of a rival tribe or ethnic group.

  59. @eD
    I think this is a good explanation of the conflict. My own slightly different impression is that the Northern Ireland conflict was the same class conflict that was happening in the other two kingdoms of the UK, but more vicious and with more tribal coloring, Ulster being a pretty provincial place.

    I do agree that the Catholic vs Protestant stuff was just convenient flags for the factions to fly. Elsewhere in the world, post-Reformation tensions pretty much dissipated after Vatican 2, and the Irish Republic if anything has bent over backwards to accommodate Protestants, while at least legal discrimination against Catholics in the US was removed in the nineteenth century.

    while at least legal discrimination against Catholics in the US was removed in the nineteenth century.

    What legal (as opposed to social) discrimination was there?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Blaine amendments are still with us.
  60. @Colin Wright
    'Fortunately, NYT commenters aren’t letting the NYT editorial board off the hook. All the top “Reader Picks” comments call-out the NYT on their blatant omissions, connection to the Sri Lanka’s civil war, and mischaracterized comparisons to other one-time incidents...'

    That's
    hardly new. Whenever the attack was apparently made by Muslim terrorists, all the Islamophobes and Zionists come out to play, and start self-righteously trooping up and down.

    Just how many unarmed demonstrators have Jews murdered in the past year? Hundreds -- it's a Friday routine -- and all to the sound of as complete a silence as possible.

    Indonesia has killed 10x as many unarmed demonstrators this year but i haven’t seen you get worked up about it. Your takkiyah is pretty bad.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'Indonesia has killed 10x as many unarmed demonstrators this year but i haven’t seen you get worked up about it. Your takkiyah is pretty bad.'

    Has Indonesia actually killed two thousand unarmed demonstrators this year? I suppose given the differences in their sizes, she'd really need to murder sixty thousand to be ten times as evil as the Mighty Mite.

    So has she done that?

    In any case, shall we discuss the extent of the support and the volume of applause we extend to Indonesia?

    Many teenagers tonight will steal cars. That's deplorable.

    If one of them is my son, you'll excuse me if I don't content myself with pointing out all the others who are doing it too.

  61. @Colin Wright
    'I think this is a good explanation of the conflict...'

    I'm skeptical. I recall a BBC interview where the reporter asked a Protestant why he hated Catholics:

    'Are ye daft, man? Because of their religion, of course.'

    Okay, religious identity is short hand for a whole complex of attitudes, identities, etc -- but it's still a religious identity. Ultimately, they each pray to a different God -- one who approves of who they are, not who the other is.

    I have found that people from all sorts of traditions and political stripes in Ireland do insist that the conflict was (is?) about who ran the place, far more than it was about religion. Outsiders prefer the idea that it’s all about religion, so that’s what they stick with no matter what anyone says to the contrary.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'I have found that people from all sorts of traditions and political stripes in Ireland do insist that the conflict was (is?) about who ran the place, far more than it was about religion. Outsiders prefer the idea that it’s all about religion, so that’s what they stick with no matter what anyone says to the contrary.'

    Perhaps. On the other hand, people do tend to prefer the clarity of economic arguments. See the accusations that Iraq was a 'war for oil,' Vietnam was a 'war for oil,' and presumably World War Two was a 'war for oil,' (or was it a plot of the arms manufacturers?). Certainly that last was monotonously proffered up as an explanation for World War One.

    These arguments aren't necessarily without foundation. At the same time, in a case like that of Northern Ireland, I'd suggest it may be like mental illness and homelessness. Is it that crazy people become homeless, or that being homeless makes you crazy?

    Both can be at work, reinforcing each other; and I'd suggest the same thing with Northern Ireland. The religious divide led to one group gaining economic dominance, and the economic division reinforces the religious divide.

  62. @Erik Sieven
    The article by R. Douthat "Are Christians Privileged or Persecuted" is currently shown on the homepage of the New York Times. It is quite critical of liberal mainstream thinking and writing. I was surprised, that the New York Times publishes such an article. But: credit where credit is due.

    I was surprised, that the New York Times publishes such an article. But: credit where credit is due.

    I think that maybe, just maybe, the mainstream media has been hit between the eyes with a 2×4 enough times that it’s starting to see the case for at least pretending to not hate us.

    Social media rewards attention whores and trouble makers but it also rewards fair-mindedness. The legacy media must see the growing popularity of guys like Micheal Tracey and Glenn Greenwald and get jealous:

  63. Anon[407] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kelso
    Goyim-hatred has always been the problem, not anti-semitism. Goyim-hatred is when the Chosen (Judith Miller, Friedman, NYT) promote the destruction of Iraq, Syria, soon Iran, and obviously Occupied Palestine. Nowhere do anti-semites run up such large numbers of deaths and ethnic cleansing. A few Jews in Pittsburgh are murdered by a one-off wacko and you never hear the end of it. Madeleine Albright says it’s ok to murder 500,000 Iraqi kids but if a Chosenites gets a hangnail it is WWIII.
    Why should anyone fear being called an anti-Semite when it is the Khazars that are killing the real Semites.
    Time to take on the false narratives of Israel.

    Very poor takkiyah. If you mention kazars lol you might as well mention unicorns and mermaids.

    Nigeria has killed 2.5 million in occupied Biafra , Indonesia has killed 500k ( 1/4 the native population) in occupied West Papua , Turkey has killed 70k in occupied Cyprus and Kurdistan , Sudan has killed 800k in Darfur , Russia has killed over 250k in occupied Chechnya,Dagestan,Kaliningrad and Crimea. and the list goes on .

  64. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    I’m amazed the nonsense term “hate” (in all its varieties) has retained its currency to date without the slightest hint of needing a rebranding. (Unlike, say, the term “diversity”, which is slowly being phased out for the less-easily-mocked “inclusion”.) That so many people just uncritically accept that word as the end-all-be-all justification for whatever it is TPTB wants to do, I find absolutely mind bottling.
     
    It's an aspect of our Newspeak that people are presented to have only two gears - Love and Hate, like forward and reverse. If what you're doing isn't motivated by Love, it can only be motivated by Hate. It's Manichean in its simplicity, and I'm sure we all know which political parties and movements are motivated by Love and which are motivated by Hate. Anything the Love party does is in service of Love, and anything the Hate party does is in service of Hate.

    If we put you out of business for not respecting the inalienable right to frosting in the precise configuration someone demands, we're doing this out of Love. In contrast, denial of frosting is an act of Hate. #Lovewins Bigot.

    No one has mixed motivations, ambivalence, disgust, avoidance, a desire for mental repose, a desire to be left alone, or a desire not to be made to say obviously false things. There are no considerations such as social cohesion, tradition, established practice, or the like which should get in the way of Love.

    That’s another way of staying Haidt’s thesis from The Righteous Mind.

    https://righteousmind.com/

    • Replies: @Logan
    Two thumbs up for Haidt.
  65. @Flip

    while at least legal discrimination against Catholics in the US was removed in the nineteenth century.
     
    What legal (as opposed to social) discrimination was there?

    Blaine amendments are still with us.

  66. @Dr Logical

    Well yeah, everybody knows that to be a victim of murder you have to be killed plus powerless and Christians have all the power so they’re not really victims.
     
    Really? I think the NYT follows a predictable premise of theirs, which drives their editorial content.

    The NYT believes brown people are innate savages, a biological rung below white people, so not bound by the ethical constraints of modern civilization white people pride themselves on.

    Consider a poodle walking on its hind legs. It’s applauded and marveled at when it’s achieved, but it’s most certainly not a mode of behavior that is expected, and no one would consider scolding a poodle if it went back to walking on all fours, while a man choosing to exclusively walk on all fours would be an object of scorn and derision in most cases.

    This is the reason the NYT gives white people "the business," while non-whites are to be treated differently in their eyes. To the NYT, brown people will never consistently, manifestly "walk erect" in our lifetime, and to treat them as if they could makes us worse than the brown people we might criticize, since white people should know better.

    Hope this helps sort things out.

    Really?

    No

  67. @Chick Gandil

    Slightly OT. Yesterday my wife and I volunteered at an inner city mission as we do once a week. On the way home she told me that a man asked for a carton of milk, which we keep in the commercial size refrigerator and she explained that the milk was just for children or cooking. He looked at her and said…”If I was white you’d give me milk.” and then walked away. There were seven volunteers yesterday and the kitchen manager, all white. The NYT, WaPo and the MSM stir the pot of hate constantly throwing in scraps that they call reasons to hate whites. I am actually sad that my wife left feeling like she had done something wrong, when all she did was follow long established rules. To paraphrase something I read here, 1864 and 1964 were yesterday.
     
    OMG! Your wife's neurotic search for self esteem and salvation via uplifting a hostile tribe ended in bad feelings. :(

    That is the subtext of her story. Perhaps she won’t be returning soon. That ended up being my take on those kind of soup kitchens.

    • Replies: @Oleaginous Outrager
    Time to rework George Sand's quote: "Charity hardens those who receive it and degrades those who dispense it. "
    , @Diversity Heretic
    My sister worked at a soup kitchen at her church in Nashville, Tennessee years ago and gave up in disgust.
    , @Lot
    In SoCal there are intra-left fights between homeowners and progressive churches whose bum-magnet food giveaways get shut down for lack of permits and food handling licenses.

    Recycling centers also get shut down for the same reason. Around here your recycle bin will be rummaged through daily if it isn’t locked behind a fence. The 5 cent can deposit has become more of a tax since 90% of the places to return them have shut down, leaving a tiny number of high-volume bum magnet centers in industrial areas.
  68. @stillCARealist
    Well, Jesus Christ IS the all-powerful ruler of Heaven and Earth so....

    Jesus isn’t a Christian.

  69. @istevefan

    the New Irish Republican Army, radical heir to republican paramilitaries of Northern Ireland’s long sectarian feud of decades past, demonstrated last week during riots in which the police suspect that a member shot dead a reporter.
     
    This is one of the biggest myth/lies I have seen. People are always blaming the violence in NI on sectarian grounds. Though religion is somewhat of a proxy between the two sides, it is not the cause of the conflict.

    If you could have waved a magic wand in 1970, and made every Protestant in NI convert to Catholicism, the violence would not have ended. So long as those formerly Protestant people still chose to be part of the United Kingdom, and not join the Republic of Ireland, the conflict would have continued.

    Likewise, if all the Protestants of NI agreed to leave the UK and join the Irish Republic, but still remained Protestant, the conflict would have subsided.

    The conflict was about which nation would reign over those 6 counties, and not over religion.

    Please to be noting that the key their is a reporter died. THIS is something up with which they shall not put, even if the current theory is bad marksmanship and a cop was the actual target.

    Not sure how this event fits into NYT’s thesis, except maybe as an attempt at “See, non-Muslim white people wreck shit too!” Which is really their favorite argument: “Habiba, head down to the morgue, it’s time for another Emmett Till retrospective!”

  70. @Desiderius
    That is the subtext of her story. Perhaps she won’t be returning soon. That ended up being my take on those kind of soup kitchens.

    Time to rework George Sand’s quote: “Charity hardens those who receive it and degrades those who dispense it. “

  71. @Colin Wright
    'I think this is a good explanation of the conflict...'

    I'm skeptical. I recall a BBC interview where the reporter asked a Protestant why he hated Catholics:

    'Are ye daft, man? Because of their religion, of course.'

    Okay, religious identity is short hand for a whole complex of attitudes, identities, etc -- but it's still a religious identity. Ultimately, they each pray to a different God -- one who approves of who they are, not who the other is.

    > Okay, religious identity is short hand for a whole complex of attitudes, identities, etc — but it’s still a religious identity

    Right, but that doesn’t explain why the Irish Catholics and Protestants hated each other to begin with. They certainly don’t elsewhere. I don’t know much about the Troubles in Ireland, but Catholics vs. Protestants seems too neat and simplistic to me. If someone wants to enact the unpaid labor to educate me, feel free.

    We know that people can bind tightly to their groups, whether that be socioeconomic class, political party, religion, etc. We know that groups will often, but not always, descend into conflict with other groups. Exactly what causes a group to conflict with another is likely either resentment or a feeling of threat (to current status or desired future status). Perceptions of unfairness and threat are very strong drivers of human psychology.

    For example, poor minorities in this country resent whites because of the wealth disparity, and conservative whites feel threatened by minorities, who are likely going to forever change the culture and prosperity of the US.

    Once group conflict is started, it is enough for someone to merely be part of the other group, because that’s the way human minds work. And so Irish Catholics hate Irish Protestants, and vice versa. But there must be some substantive reason (threat or resentment) for it to have gotten started in the first place.

    A stable society needs to account for this. Homogeneity is perhaps the easiest way to do it.

  72. @Colin Wright
    'Fortunately, NYT commenters aren’t letting the NYT editorial board off the hook. All the top “Reader Picks” comments call-out the NYT on their blatant omissions, connection to the Sri Lanka’s civil war, and mischaracterized comparisons to other one-time incidents...'

    That's
    hardly new. Whenever the attack was apparently made by Muslim terrorists, all the Islamophobes and Zionists come out to play, and start self-righteously trooping up and down.

    Just how many unarmed demonstrators have Jews murdered in the past year? Hundreds -- it's a Friday routine -- and all to the sound of as complete a silence as possible.

    Whereas when Gazans protest against Hamas, their free speech rights are given the utmost respect:

    Hamas security forces moved quickly to quell the protests that brought hundreds of people into the streets in at least four camps and towns across Gaza this month to demand better living conditions.

    The security forces beat demonstrators, raided homes and detained organizers, journalists and participants, about 1,000 people in all. Along with the uniformed officers, masked, plainclothes Hamas enforcers armed with pistols, batons and wooden rods attacked the protesters, according to witnesses, and prevented journalists and human rights workers from documenting the events.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/24/world/middleeast/gaza-protests-hamas.html

    Arab’s idea of a “peaceful” protest:

    “Bring a dagger, a knife or a gun”

    “kidnap Israeli civilians and transfer them to Hamas immediately”

    Maybe the NY Times editorial board are stupid enough to buy your “religion of peace” bullshit but the Israelis know who they are dealing with and can’t allow themselves to be overrun by bloodthirsty Muslim mobs.

    • Replies: @a reader

    the Israelis know who they are dealing with and can’t allow themselves to be overrun by bloodthirsty Muslim mobs.
     
    Agreed.

    So please tell, why should all European/white countries allow themselves to be overrun by bloodthirsty Muslim mobs ?

    , @Colin Wright
    Zionist
  73. @AnotherDad
    The NYT doesn't want to "go there", but to the extent that there is a common link--911, Pittsburgh synogogue, Christchurch mosque, Sri Lanka churchs and Northern Ireland--it's that

    Diversity creates conflict.

    It's obvious, simple and true.

    Northern Ireland should have been repartitioned--people moved around appropriately--between people who saw themselves as Irish and wanted to live in Ireland and people who saw themselves as British and wanted to live in the UK.

    The 911 terrorists should not have been in the US. And generally the US should not have its troops gallivvanting through the muzzy world. (Let them kill each other.)

    The Pittsburgh shooter was probably a not very well bolted down dude. But i assume if you probe his "thinking" or motivation than it's true American Jews should cease their continual minoritarian, "nation of immigrants", lets-replace-white-people stuff that generates this animosity.

    There should not be any Muslims in New Zealand--period. That's just ridiculous on its face--an insult to good governance.

    I'm not familar enough with Sri Lankan history to comment very intelligently. I'd assume the muslims were converted by Arab traders back in the day and the Catholics from the Portuguese. I.e. both there a long time, though differential fertility now driving up the muzzy numbers.

    In general it would be goodness to have muslims separated from/removed from everyone else whereever they are because they are generally "do not play well with others"--particularly so in this era of Saudi funded Wahhabi ascendency.

    But bottom line: where there is diversity, there is conflcit.

    Diversity creates conflict.

    Yep. When you examine these terror acts and conflicts in both time and place, it seems more often than not it is a case of group versus group. There are exceptions. But mostly we have different peoples separated by race, ethnicity, language, religion,etc., who rub shoulders and fight.

    A good chunk of European history was the bloody sorting of the various peoples into their nations. Formerly colonized, third world nations, whose maps were irresponsibly drawn around disparate groups, are going though a similar process now.

    It either takes an ignoramus, or a monster to want to pile on the kindling in nations who have already completed their sort to force them to go through it again. For a group of people who claim to be adherents to science and reason, I will have to go with the latter. They must be monsters wanting to unleash hell again on those nations who had achieved some semblance of peace and stability after centuries of bloody sorting.

  74. @Buffalo Joe
    Slightly OT. Yesterday my wife and I volunteered at an inner city mission as we do once a week. On the way home she told me that a man asked for a carton of milk, which we keep in the commercial size refrigerator and she explained that the milk was just for children or cooking. He looked at her and said..."If I was white you'd give me milk." and then walked away. There were seven volunteers yesterday and the kitchen manager, all white. The NYT, WaPo and the MSM stir the pot of hate constantly throwing in scraps that they call reasons to hate whites. I am actually sad that my wife left feeling like she had done something wrong, when all she did was follow long established rules. To paraphrase something I read here, 1864 and 1964 were yesterday.

    You, your wife, the other volunteers, and the kitchen manager need to stop volunteering at inner city missions. Spend more time with your own families and neighbors. God won’t mind, believe me.

  75. @AnotherDad
    The NYT doesn't want to "go there", but to the extent that there is a common link--911, Pittsburgh synogogue, Christchurch mosque, Sri Lanka churchs and Northern Ireland--it's that

    Diversity creates conflict.

    It's obvious, simple and true.

    Northern Ireland should have been repartitioned--people moved around appropriately--between people who saw themselves as Irish and wanted to live in Ireland and people who saw themselves as British and wanted to live in the UK.

    The 911 terrorists should not have been in the US. And generally the US should not have its troops gallivvanting through the muzzy world. (Let them kill each other.)

    The Pittsburgh shooter was probably a not very well bolted down dude. But i assume if you probe his "thinking" or motivation than it's true American Jews should cease their continual minoritarian, "nation of immigrants", lets-replace-white-people stuff that generates this animosity.

    There should not be any Muslims in New Zealand--period. That's just ridiculous on its face--an insult to good governance.

    I'm not familar enough with Sri Lankan history to comment very intelligently. I'd assume the muslims were converted by Arab traders back in the day and the Catholics from the Portuguese. I.e. both there a long time, though differential fertility now driving up the muzzy numbers.

    In general it would be goodness to have muslims separated from/removed from everyone else whereever they are because they are generally "do not play well with others"--particularly so in this era of Saudi funded Wahhabi ascendency.

    But bottom line: where there is diversity, there is conflcit.

    Your dream of mono-ethnic paradises have existed in only a few places in the world for a brief period and these were usually made possible by bloody ethnic cleansings (this includes the US). New Zealand, which you might imagine as one of the whitest places on earth, always had a substantial Maori population and still does – they were there first, so “they all have to go back” in NZ would mean the English most of all.

    • Replies: @megabar
    Your first argument does not refute the point. A land is diverse, and then as a result of bloodshed, it becomes segregated, at which point the violence subsides. So why is it a good thing to reintroduce diversity, which might start the bloodshed again to return back to homogeneity?

    Your second argument (i.e. send them back means the English) is silly. The natural world does not care who called "dibs."
    , @Pericles
    The coming post-globalism phase may see bloody ethnic cleansings, just like post-colonialism did.

    My general advice would be: if your country is monoethnic, don't make it multiethnic.
    , @Anonymous
    No Jack, we assert the right of our people to control our destiny, which includes the demographics of our countries.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    these were usually made possible by bloody ethnic cleansings (this includes the US)
     
    Are you saying Manifest Destiny was wrong? Or going back much further, that Steve’s oft-mentioned Aryan invasions of Europe are objectively regrettable?
    , @AnotherDad

    Your dream of mono-ethnic paradises have existed in only a few places in the world for a brief period and these were usually made possible by bloody ethnic cleansings (this includes the US).
     
    What, you've ditched the law and are trying screen-writing for woke Netflix productions?

    Jack, i realize--everyone here realizes--that your are *deeply* committed to the Jewish (middle man minority) world view of how things are *supposed to be*--and really were if not for those evil white racists\nationalists\Nazis--but this is just stupid.


    Most people in most places throughout most of history have lived in villages farming or fishing--and before settlement, wandering hunting and gathering--with people just like them, speaking the same language, practicing the same religion ... and marrying each other!


    Yes, once civilization got cranking there were "cities" but most people didn't live in them or even enter them and they were population sinks until the last few centuries. And even those cities would generally be people of the same racial/ethnic/religious group, with very limited trader-from-somewhere-else diversity, where some sort of state authority made that safe/possible.

    When civilization scaled up, there were more places where your nominal sovereign--king, emperor--might also rule over some other different people over the hills. But that didn't mean you lived with them--you lived with your people, they lived with their people. (Flemish and Walloons.)

    Where your people and other people rubbed up against each other there was usually conflict--someone wins and take territory, someone loses. And if people rubbed up against each other and achieved peace it usually would have to involve exchanging brides and merging into a common tribe/people. Likewise if peace externally imposed, then there would be a tendency to merge.

    It generally takes a strong racial/linguistic/caste/religious difference for people in proximity at peace not to merge. Generally people merge or they fight--usually fight with the merging is post-conquest.

    ~~~

    Your Jewish model of reality is actually the imperial model: the big muckety-mucks make all the peasants behave and allow the Jews to wander about middle-manning without any trouble. Think Romans, Ottomans.

    (One of the ironies is Jewish whining about the Tsar. A fraught relationship sure. But in fact, if not but for the Tsar--i.e. an external authority, suppressing violence--the Jews couldn't have survived there. The local peasantry would have created their own states run for and by their own ethnys and the Jews would have been SOL--chased off or merged or killed.)

    It's in empires where you have "diversity". The Roman Empire doesn't want Thracians and Greeks fighting over territory. It wants them paying taxes. If they start causing trouble ... legions will be dispatched for the troublemakers. So within an empire, you will have a bit more diversity. You might find a few of all sorts of different peoples in Rome. And yet still, in these empires, most people will be living with their own people. Go to Palestine, it's full of Jews. Go to Greece, it's full of Greeks. Just absent their freedom and self-determination.

    An empire may suppress ethnic conflict, but it doesn't change the general pattern of people living--and being happiest--with their own kind. And note it only suppress ethnic conflict--at the price of people being free and controlling their own destiny. And still, where there's diversity conflict is always bubbling up.

    It's no surprise that with the Jewish ascendancy, America has shifted decisively to the imperial model. We are no longer a free republic, but essentially have elite dictat--mostly through the courts. Our elections are increasingly meaningless and our historic Anglo-Saxon freedoms vanishing, while diversity is rammed up our asses. "Shut up, don't make trouble and pay your taxes!" That's the price of diversity.

    And yet, lots of people work hard and sacrifice to find a comfy, as "mono-ethnic" as possible, enclave to live in. And still, where there is divesity ... conflict keeps bubbling up.
  76. @Chick Gandil

    Slightly OT. Yesterday my wife and I volunteered at an inner city mission as we do once a week. On the way home she told me that a man asked for a carton of milk, which we keep in the commercial size refrigerator and she explained that the milk was just for children or cooking. He looked at her and said…”If I was white you’d give me milk.” and then walked away. There were seven volunteers yesterday and the kitchen manager, all white. The NYT, WaPo and the MSM stir the pot of hate constantly throwing in scraps that they call reasons to hate whites. I am actually sad that my wife left feeling like she had done something wrong, when all she did was follow long established rules. To paraphrase something I read here, 1864 and 1964 were yesterday.
     
    OMG! Your wife's neurotic search for self esteem and salvation via uplifting a hostile tribe ended in bad feelings. :(

    Probably a tad harsh. Likely she doesn’t yet view them as a “hostile tribe” but as fellow Americans in need of help/charity. Hopefully that sort of sullen assholishness was noticed by her and she starts to connect the dots.

    I suspect those of us who have come to view them as a “hostile tribe” are growing in number. I washed my hands of them during Trayvon-gate. As far as I could tell they were demanding the right to commit crimes with impunity. Also not only to be able to violently attack anyone that violated some obscure ghetto “dis” code, but if the person attacked was able to successfully defend themselves, then the altercation needed to end immediately before the black got hurt.

    I think non-majority white America is going to end up really being unpleasant for blacks. Nobody gives a shit about them except whites and nobody is willing to put up with their shit but whites. By the time they realize this, it’ll be too late.

  77. OT: Apparently the little White boy who was thrown off an upper floor at the Mall of America is doing remarkably well:

    http://www.fox9.com/amp/news/-doctors-were-amazed-test-results-of-boy-thrown-from-moa-balcony-called-miraculous

    Jussie Smollet is also recovering well from his injuries.

  78. @AnotherDad
    The NYT doesn't want to "go there", but to the extent that there is a common link--911, Pittsburgh synogogue, Christchurch mosque, Sri Lanka churchs and Northern Ireland--it's that

    Diversity creates conflict.

    It's obvious, simple and true.

    Northern Ireland should have been repartitioned--people moved around appropriately--between people who saw themselves as Irish and wanted to live in Ireland and people who saw themselves as British and wanted to live in the UK.

    The 911 terrorists should not have been in the US. And generally the US should not have its troops gallivvanting through the muzzy world. (Let them kill each other.)

    The Pittsburgh shooter was probably a not very well bolted down dude. But i assume if you probe his "thinking" or motivation than it's true American Jews should cease their continual minoritarian, "nation of immigrants", lets-replace-white-people stuff that generates this animosity.

    There should not be any Muslims in New Zealand--period. That's just ridiculous on its face--an insult to good governance.

    I'm not familar enough with Sri Lankan history to comment very intelligently. I'd assume the muslims were converted by Arab traders back in the day and the Catholics from the Portuguese. I.e. both there a long time, though differential fertility now driving up the muzzy numbers.

    In general it would be goodness to have muslims separated from/removed from everyone else whereever they are because they are generally "do not play well with others"--particularly so in this era of Saudi funded Wahhabi ascendency.

    But bottom line: where there is diversity, there is conflcit.

    > But bottom line: where there is diversity, there is conflict.

    I agree with the main point here. I posted someone very similar, myself. I quibble only in that I don’t think it’s diversity itself, but rather when some group feels threatened by or resentful of another group.

    Perhaps the distinction is mostly academic, because any significant degree of diversity will likely lead to feelings of threat or resentment, because people are not interchangeable, and thus diversity will generally lead to inequality.

    Depending on how you define things, the various European immigrants to the US represent diversity that did not lead to (lasting) conflict, because they were at root pretty compatible, and their differences were mostly superficial and faded after a generation or two.

    As another thought experiment, consider that a small amount of diverse immigrants probably are a net positive to a country, if the percentage is enforced to be a small enough amount. In such a system, no one is ever threatened by them culturally, economically, etc. They will assimilate, and if the society is eugenic, then any unique beneficial genes they have could be incorporated.

    A counterargument might be that it’s not worth the risk, which I admit I am increasingly sympathetic to, given the times.

  79. @a reader

    Islamists operate on the Nazi reprisal principle – if you kill one of ours, we kill 10 of yours.
     
    Let's hope they don't switch to the Israeli reprisal principle - if you kill three of ours, we kill 2,000+ of yours.

    They would if they could. If Hamas and Israel could trade armies just for one day, at the end of that day there would be no Jews left alive in all of Israel.

    Hamas knew exactly what it was doing. Israel (insanely in my view) overvalues its troops and is willing to trade 1 Israeli for thousands of Arab prisoners so Hamas is willing to pay almost any price to get its hands on an Israel hostage. Hundreds dead at the border, millions wasted on invasion tunnels – it’s all well worth it to them if they can only kidnap 1 Israeli soldier.

    • Replies: @Lot
    “willing to trade 1 Israeli for thousands of Arab prisoners”

    More like 50-100 to 1 in prior prisoner exchanges.
  80. @Jack D
    Your dream of mono-ethnic paradises have existed in only a few places in the world for a brief period and these were usually made possible by bloody ethnic cleansings (this includes the US). New Zealand, which you might imagine as one of the whitest places on earth, always had a substantial Maori population and still does - they were there first, so "they all have to go back" in NZ would mean the English most of all.

    Your first argument does not refute the point. A land is diverse, and then as a result of bloodshed, it becomes segregated, at which point the violence subsides. So why is it a good thing to reintroduce diversity, which might start the bloodshed again to return back to homogeneity?

    Your second argument (i.e. send them back means the English) is silly. The natural world does not care who called “dibs.”

  81. @Jack D
    They would if they could. If Hamas and Israel could trade armies just for one day, at the end of that day there would be no Jews left alive in all of Israel.

    Hamas knew exactly what it was doing. Israel (insanely in my view) overvalues its troops and is willing to trade 1 Israeli for thousands of Arab prisoners so Hamas is willing to pay almost any price to get its hands on an Israel hostage. Hundreds dead at the border, millions wasted on invasion tunnels - it's all well worth it to them if they can only kidnap 1 Israeli soldier.

    “willing to trade 1 Israeli for thousands of Arab prisoners”

    More like 50-100 to 1 in prior prisoner exchanges.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Gilad Shalit was exchanged for over 1,000 prisoners:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_Shalit_prisoner_exchange
    , @Colin Wright
    There's a certain morbid interest in reading a conversation between Lot and Jack D.

    Sort of like Hoess and Yagoda comparing notes -- only Lot's and Jack's (hopeful) impotence lends a certain comic note to the proceedings.
  82. @AnotherDad
    The NYT doesn't want to "go there", but to the extent that there is a common link--911, Pittsburgh synogogue, Christchurch mosque, Sri Lanka churchs and Northern Ireland--it's that

    Diversity creates conflict.

    It's obvious, simple and true.

    Northern Ireland should have been repartitioned--people moved around appropriately--between people who saw themselves as Irish and wanted to live in Ireland and people who saw themselves as British and wanted to live in the UK.

    The 911 terrorists should not have been in the US. And generally the US should not have its troops gallivvanting through the muzzy world. (Let them kill each other.)

    The Pittsburgh shooter was probably a not very well bolted down dude. But i assume if you probe his "thinking" or motivation than it's true American Jews should cease their continual minoritarian, "nation of immigrants", lets-replace-white-people stuff that generates this animosity.

    There should not be any Muslims in New Zealand--period. That's just ridiculous on its face--an insult to good governance.

    I'm not familar enough with Sri Lankan history to comment very intelligently. I'd assume the muslims were converted by Arab traders back in the day and the Catholics from the Portuguese. I.e. both there a long time, though differential fertility now driving up the muzzy numbers.

    In general it would be goodness to have muslims separated from/removed from everyone else whereever they are because they are generally "do not play well with others"--particularly so in this era of Saudi funded Wahhabi ascendency.

    But bottom line: where there is diversity, there is conflcit.

    Diversity causes friction but then so do many things. People who force diversity on others, or who use it as a weapon against their enemies, should be resisted. So too should people who try to impose uniformity where diversity has long existed. Most parts of the world had diversity long before the age of jet travel and steamships.

    My guess is more people have suffered and died in the last 250 years at the hands of people trying to impose uniformity, rather than at the hands of a rival tribe or ethnic group.

  83. @Chick Gandil

    Slightly OT. Yesterday my wife and I volunteered at an inner city mission as we do once a week. On the way home she told me that a man asked for a carton of milk, which we keep in the commercial size refrigerator and she explained that the milk was just for children or cooking. He looked at her and said…”If I was white you’d give me milk.” and then walked away. There were seven volunteers yesterday and the kitchen manager, all white. The NYT, WaPo and the MSM stir the pot of hate constantly throwing in scraps that they call reasons to hate whites. I am actually sad that my wife left feeling like she had done something wrong, when all she did was follow long established rules. To paraphrase something I read here, 1864 and 1964 were yesterday.
     
    OMG! Your wife's neurotic search for self esteem and salvation via uplifting a hostile tribe ended in bad feelings. :(

    Chick, so I must be neurotic too, but I don’t think I’m searching for salvation by volunteering. Sometimes it’s just nice to be nice. I already have plenty of self esteem or have I read too much into your comment?

    • Replies: @Sam Malone
    Volunteering to nanny a race of violent incompetents who in various ways make it plain how much they despise you. Wise move, and a valuable use of your time and compassion.
  84. @Jack D
    Whereas when Gazans protest against Hamas, their free speech rights are given the utmost respect:


    Hamas security forces moved quickly to quell the protests that brought hundreds of people into the streets in at least four camps and towns across Gaza this month to demand better living conditions.

    The security forces beat demonstrators, raided homes and detained organizers, journalists and participants, about 1,000 people in all. Along with the uniformed officers, masked, plainclothes Hamas enforcers armed with pistols, batons and wooden rods attacked the protesters, according to witnesses, and prevented journalists and human rights workers from documenting the events.
     
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/24/world/middleeast/gaza-protests-hamas.html

    Arab's idea of a "peaceful" protest:

    "Bring a dagger, a knife or a gun"

    "kidnap Israeli civilians and transfer them to Hamas immediately"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHNo-7vnDx4

    Maybe the NY Times editorial board are stupid enough to buy your "religion of peace" bullshit but the Israelis know who they are dealing with and can't allow themselves to be overrun by bloodthirsty Muslim mobs.

    the Israelis know who they are dealing with and can’t allow themselves to be overrun by bloodthirsty Muslim mobs.

    Agreed.

    So please tell, why should all European/white countries allow themselves to be overrun by bloodthirsty Muslim mobs ?

  85. @Cortes
    I trust your wife was denying him the milk for his own good.

    https://www.foodbeast.com/news/map-of-milk-consumption-lactose-intolerance-around-the-world/

    Cortes, don’t share this with my wife, that’s above her pay grade, but good wife and outstanding mother.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'Cortes, don’t share this with my wife, that’s above her pay grade, but good wife and outstanding mother.'

    That's more or less what one of my neighbors on Hawaii said about one of his sheep. (Okay -- there was nothing about her being a good wife. I'll admit that.)
  86. @Lot
    “willing to trade 1 Israeli for thousands of Arab prisoners”

    More like 50-100 to 1 in prior prisoner exchanges.

    Gilad Shalit was exchanged for over 1,000 prisoners:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_Shalit_prisoner_exchange

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    So just imagine how many Gene Shalit would fetch
  87. @EliteCommInc.
    "There were seven volunteers yesterday and the kitchen manager, all white. The NYT, WaPo and the MSM stir the pot of hate constantly throwing in scraps that they call reasons to hate whites. "


    Having worked in the inner city more than once as a volunteer and on mission, there's one observation that cannot be understated. Most people are very fine individuals. If you can't handle the animosity that exists in inner city populations resulting from a myriad of possibilities --


    don't work in those populations. The hate that exists, and I ran into very little is does not require stirring. It's an inherited part of the US social policy. You know, issues like: red lining, police over use of force (even by a small number), economic policy - immigration . . .


    it doesn't mean that said is acceptable. But you either address it, let it slide or don't bother. What i learned is that over time, you either earn their trust or you do not.

    Elite, so if I read you correctly, hate is a one way street and as for time, I am 73 as of Friday, seen things done things and you sound a bit like an anthropologist living with a primitive tribe, waiting for the annointment of trust. Whatever.

  88. @Jack D
    Your dream of mono-ethnic paradises have existed in only a few places in the world for a brief period and these were usually made possible by bloody ethnic cleansings (this includes the US). New Zealand, which you might imagine as one of the whitest places on earth, always had a substantial Maori population and still does - they were there first, so "they all have to go back" in NZ would mean the English most of all.

    The coming post-globalism phase may see bloody ethnic cleansings, just like post-colonialism did.

    My general advice would be: if your country is monoethnic, don’t make it multiethnic.

  89. @a reader

    Islamists operate on the Nazi reprisal principle – if you kill one of ours, we kill 10 of yours.
     
    Let's hope they don't switch to the Israeli reprisal principle - if you kill three of ours, we kill 2,000+ of yours.

    Well, the “inventors of advanced mathematics” set the value of 1 Israeli at over 1,500 “anti-Zionists” after the 2006 war. Not Israel’s problem they can’t do math.

  90. @Dr Logical

    But generations reared in violence are likely to have it in their blood,
     
    The NYT is saying that if multiple generations are born and raised within a certain environmental map, it has a decided effect on the expression of that gene pool, inevitably fostering genetically-based, behavioral determinism. The strong implication being that consistent aggression can determine genetic expression, and gene expression can foster consistent, irrationally aggressive behavior, en masse!

    Science tends to agree with this, but the question is, what took the NYT so long to get on board?

    Enviornment>Mutation>Evolution>Biology>Culture.

    Darwin got this from a few finches a century and a half ago.

  91. @Endgame Napoleon
    Their cherrpicking argument could have been reinforced by adding the murderous handiwork of various and sundry white school shooters, mostly from top 20% households of dual-earner professional parents with daycare or grandparent-raised kids, but that would detract from the feminist working-mom glorification.

    And imagine the mayhem if the incidence of psychotropic drug use amongst those shooters (100% by my reckoning) was to be mentioned.

    Does anybody believe MKUltra went away?

    Its coeval, Mockingbird is clearly alive and kicking.

  92. @Buffalo Joe
    Slightly OT. Yesterday my wife and I volunteered at an inner city mission as we do once a week. On the way home she told me that a man asked for a carton of milk, which we keep in the commercial size refrigerator and she explained that the milk was just for children or cooking. He looked at her and said..."If I was white you'd give me milk." and then walked away. There were seven volunteers yesterday and the kitchen manager, all white. The NYT, WaPo and the MSM stir the pot of hate constantly throwing in scraps that they call reasons to hate whites. I am actually sad that my wife left feeling like she had done something wrong, when all she did was follow long established rules. To paraphrase something I read here, 1864 and 1964 were yesterday.

    Milk, the famed white elixer must be kept solely for our kind, along with its eldritch energies. Your wife did the right thing. Our ancestral talismans are for wypipo only.

  93. @Desiderius
    That is the subtext of her story. Perhaps she won’t be returning soon. That ended up being my take on those kind of soup kitchens.

    My sister worked at a soup kitchen at her church in Nashville, Tennessee years ago and gave up in disgust.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    There are plenty of valid ministries and volunteer opportunities out there, but if it’s all whites on one side and blacks on the other what you’re doing isn’t charity.
  94. Operation muddy the waters. Perhaps it would help at some level to defuse these conflicts to understand them?

  95. @Jack D
    Whereas when Gazans protest against Hamas, their free speech rights are given the utmost respect:


    Hamas security forces moved quickly to quell the protests that brought hundreds of people into the streets in at least four camps and towns across Gaza this month to demand better living conditions.

    The security forces beat demonstrators, raided homes and detained organizers, journalists and participants, about 1,000 people in all. Along with the uniformed officers, masked, plainclothes Hamas enforcers armed with pistols, batons and wooden rods attacked the protesters, according to witnesses, and prevented journalists and human rights workers from documenting the events.
     
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/24/world/middleeast/gaza-protests-hamas.html

    Arab's idea of a "peaceful" protest:

    "Bring a dagger, a knife or a gun"

    "kidnap Israeli civilians and transfer them to Hamas immediately"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHNo-7vnDx4

    Maybe the NY Times editorial board are stupid enough to buy your "religion of peace" bullshit but the Israelis know who they are dealing with and can't allow themselves to be overrun by bloodthirsty Muslim mobs.

    Zionist

  96. @Colin Wright
    '...Islamists operate on the Nazi reprisal principle – if you kill one of ours, we kill 10 of yours. There is no negotiation possible with enemies like this. They must be eliminated to the point where they can no longer offer organized resistance...'

    God help us.

    I would be happy with “they have to stay in their countries, and if they’re so much as visiting here they have to actually obey the rules.” But JD has that albatross around his neck, where “their” putative country would also be his.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Maybe "they have to stay in their countries" worked in the old days (not really - the US has been involved in North Africa since the first days of the Republic and we weren't shy about bringing "immigrants" in chains over from Africa) but the world has gotten very small. The Sri Lankan terrorists stayed in their own country and yet managed to kill a lot of Westerners. As we found out on 9/11, if you take the view that whatever happens in Afghanistan 0r Sri Lanka or wherever is none of our business so long as they don't immigrate to the West, it BECOMES our business anyway, whether we like it or not. You may not be interested in ISIS but ISIS is interested in you.
  97. @Desiderius
    That is the subtext of her story. Perhaps she won’t be returning soon. That ended up being my take on those kind of soup kitchens.

    In SoCal there are intra-left fights between homeowners and progressive churches whose bum-magnet food giveaways get shut down for lack of permits and food handling licenses.

    Recycling centers also get shut down for the same reason. Around here your recycle bin will be rummaged through daily if it isn’t locked behind a fence. The 5 cent can deposit has become more of a tax since 90% of the places to return them have shut down, leaving a tiny number of high-volume bum magnet centers in industrial areas.

    • LOL: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    One side definitely isn’t left in any meaningful sense beyond fashion accessory, and I’m not sure about the homeowners either.
    , @Anonymous
    If the draft is constitutional and proper, why don't we draft bums and make them drill and do yard work and so forth? There should be a special Derelict Corps for them.
    , @Anonymous
    A notable problem in Sacramento County. The fruited plain funnels its meth heads to the interior suburbs of CA, usually thanks to some Episcopalian or mainline Protestant church who will put them up overnight. This is all in the Bible somewhere, according to the churchocrats. During the day the odiferous vagrants openly free-base in the parking lots and pester shoppers; amazingly, many seem to have bicycles, so they can fan out of course.
    , @Simply Simon
    Lot, your mentioning of SoCal recycling centers was of interest to me. My step-son was a homeless derelict on the streets of LA for many years. Like so many others he collected cans to help support his drug habit. He became friends with a Latina who managed one of these centers and eventually married her. This marriage helped him straighten out his life but one day he had the misfortune to encounter some gang bangers who shot him dead. The LA police made a perfunctory, but meaningless effort to locate the killer(s) which of course came to naught. I was surprised to read that 90% of the recycling centers have been shut down, apparently for lack of permits.
  98. Why don’t we just abolish Social Media and go back to only Sulzberger Media? Huh?

    That is no longer sarcasm. The NY Times just published an Op-Ed pretty much calling for exactly that. We need a “global discussion” about it.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/22/opinion/sri-lanka-facebook-bombings.html

  99. @Jack D
    Your dream of mono-ethnic paradises have existed in only a few places in the world for a brief period and these were usually made possible by bloody ethnic cleansings (this includes the US). New Zealand, which you might imagine as one of the whitest places on earth, always had a substantial Maori population and still does - they were there first, so "they all have to go back" in NZ would mean the English most of all.

    No Jack, we assert the right of our people to control our destiny, which includes the demographics of our countries.

  100. “…generations reared in violence are likely to have it in their blood.”

    For God’s sake, don’t tell the good Lutheran women of Minnesota about Sri Lankans, otherwise they’ll want a hundred thousand or so for their collection – to go along with their Somalians.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Things were better when they stuck to collecting Hummel figurines.
    , @Anon
    We're already here-- the silent menace…

    https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/fact-sheet/asian-americans-sri-lankans-in-the-u-s/
  101. @Buffalo Joe
    Chick, so I must be neurotic too, but I don't think I'm searching for salvation by volunteering. Sometimes it's just nice to be nice. I already have plenty of self esteem or have I read too much into your comment?

    Volunteering to nanny a race of violent incompetents who in various ways make it plain how much they despise you. Wise move, and a valuable use of your time and compassion.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    They don’t despise me. Maybe it’s you Sam. Don’t sell yourself so short next time.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Sam, Thank you for acknowledging that I am a compassionate man and valuable to some degree. I feel vindicated. Have a good day my friend.
  102. @Dan Smith
    If you read Hitler's tweets and Facebook posts, you can really tell how he cleverly manipulated the unsuspecting German people to do a lot of bad things to some other people, who shall remain nameless.

    If you read Hitler’s tweets and Facebook posts, you can really tell how he cleverly manipulated the unsuspecting German people to do a lot of bad things to some other people, who shall remain nameless.

    That last bit makes it clear what’s happening here.

  103. The Washington Post has allowed a rare opinion item that lays out the problem of Christians being targeted.

    The Sri Lanka bombings are part of an ugly anti-Christian pattern across the globe

  104. @Diversity Heretic
    My sister worked at a soup kitchen at her church in Nashville, Tennessee years ago and gave up in disgust.

    There are plenty of valid ministries and volunteer opportunities out there, but if it’s all whites on one side and blacks on the other what you’re doing isn’t charity.

  105. @Lot
    In SoCal there are intra-left fights between homeowners and progressive churches whose bum-magnet food giveaways get shut down for lack of permits and food handling licenses.

    Recycling centers also get shut down for the same reason. Around here your recycle bin will be rummaged through daily if it isn’t locked behind a fence. The 5 cent can deposit has become more of a tax since 90% of the places to return them have shut down, leaving a tiny number of high-volume bum magnet centers in industrial areas.

    One side definitely isn’t left in any meaningful sense beyond fashion accessory, and I’m not sure about the homeowners either.

  106. ” . . . so if I read you correctly, hate is a one way street and as for time, I am 73 as of Friday, seen things done things and you sound a bit like an anthropologist living with a primitive tribe, waiting for the annointment of trust. Whatever.”

    I have been living with the human tribe of humanity for a bit. And I can say without a doubt that “hate” can certainly be a one way street. It can also be two way and several ways in both direct and indirect. However that is not the point.

    Work among inner cities has always been a tough row. And that includes work when blacks were on plantations. The various reasons for animosity are myriad. Some justified, some not. But people who come from outside environments should not expect a welcome mat. Italians, Irish, Poles, Czechs, etc. any group that has owned a majority share of the worst of inner city life may or may not have members who express anger, agitation, suspicion, or any number of hostile and unfriendly sentiments. You expressed one example and proceeded to categorize an entire ethos based on the one. I initially arrived at this site in support of one author I was familiar with. But since that time, I have seen hatred expressed in spades by very intelligent, successful people. I imagine this expressed hatred reflects no small number of the population. Hatred against jews and no small amount of hatred against blacks. Not one or two comments and commenters but commenters in the twenties or thirties or more. They misuse statistical models to support their hatred. They as you point to some singular examples to paint entire populations.

    The inner city populations have been so painted. And just like people here, they are entitled to their feelings of animus. That you would walk into such arenas as a volunteer and then be offended by what is a common human trait, even among your peers here as though you were entitled to something more is interesting. Most people as I noted are probably grateful for the aid, if they knew you a volunteer. Others might consider your very presence a bid of superior class intrusion of smug indifference, a passerby, stopping by as if the people one is assisting are zoo animals.

    As I noted, you could confront, let it ride or if so disturbed make the choice to not volunteer. But make no mistake anger, frustration, hatred is not limited to blacks. Nor does it need churning by outsiders. It can breed all by itself. An honest read of the comments on this sight makes a strong case that hatred and its expression is no respecter of color, class or education level.

  107. ” I am 73 as of Friday, seen things done things . . .”

    I encourage you to continue your volunteer time. As for what you’ve seen and done, that really has no relevance, save that “inner city” experience seems new.

    In either case.

    God Speed on your birthday and many more.

  108. Anonymous[156] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Slightly OT. Yesterday my wife and I volunteered at an inner city mission as we do once a week. On the way home she told me that a man asked for a carton of milk, which we keep in the commercial size refrigerator and she explained that the milk was just for children or cooking. He looked at her and said..."If I was white you'd give me milk." and then walked away. There were seven volunteers yesterday and the kitchen manager, all white. The NYT, WaPo and the MSM stir the pot of hate constantly throwing in scraps that they call reasons to hate whites. I am actually sad that my wife left feeling like she had done something wrong, when all she did was follow long established rules. To paraphrase something I read here, 1864 and 1964 were yesterday.

    For some reason, that reminds me of when politicians like John Edwards will invoke state-of-Greatest-Generation-art sentimental examples like “the 5-year-old girl shivering in this town because she has no coat.” Our thrift stores have so many girls’ coats they get shipped abroad to shield against the famous harsh winters of Haiti and Lebanon. I daresay it’s pretty easy, with some patience and minimal planning, to get yourself some free milk, in a carton even, in a country where local “food bank” outfits are ubiquitous and will draw obvious crowds of prima-facie needy (at least needy enough to wait in line for several hours with the other freeloaders). I don’t think it’s a racially advantaged thing; in NYC the Dominicans had a good business exporting the proverbial government cheese back home for a profit, implying the sufficient scale of this routine wealth transfer. So the guy who accosted your wife was really complaining about a lack of volunteer concern for his own convenience. Makes him look less destitute that way, rather more like a selfish bum. Anyway, surly panhandlers don’t last very long in the profession

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    "Anyway, surly panhandlers don’t last very long in the profession"

    Is there such a thing as a non-surly panhandler?
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, Thank you for the reply.
  109. @Lot
    In SoCal there are intra-left fights between homeowners and progressive churches whose bum-magnet food giveaways get shut down for lack of permits and food handling licenses.

    Recycling centers also get shut down for the same reason. Around here your recycle bin will be rummaged through daily if it isn’t locked behind a fence. The 5 cent can deposit has become more of a tax since 90% of the places to return them have shut down, leaving a tiny number of high-volume bum magnet centers in industrial areas.

    If the draft is constitutional and proper, why don’t we draft bums and make them drill and do yard work and so forth? There should be a special Derelict Corps for them.

  110. ” I am 73 as of Friday, seen things done things . . .”

    I encourage you to continue your volunteer time. As for what you’ve seen and done, that really has no relevance, save that “inner city” experience seems new.

    In either case.

    God’s Speed on your birthday and many more.

  111. @Anon7
    “...generations reared in violence are likely to have it in their blood.”

    For God’s sake, don’t tell the good Lutheran women of Minnesota about Sri Lankans, otherwise they’ll want a hundred thousand or so for their collection - to go along with their Somalians.

    Things were better when they stuck to collecting Hummel figurines.

  112. I suspect that given the years of tit for tat murders and reprisals between the Tamil Tigers and the those that oppose a separate state has amounted to no small share of animus/hatred among the variou factions.

    Trying to decipher how much of it is christian verses anti-christian would need a larger view of the historical dynamic than is on display here.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Okay.
    Tamil Tigers aren't Christian.
    Governing Sinhalese aren't Christian.
    Muslims want revenge for a certain recent non-Sri Lankan attack by a certain white guy (read: Christian).
    There was no recent previous trouble between Christians and Sri Lankan Muslims.
    The decade or so of relative peace followed the undisguised death camp aktion of the Tamil Tigers by the government, which, for all its criminality, worked, and which did not involve Christians.
  113. Anonymous[156] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    In SoCal there are intra-left fights between homeowners and progressive churches whose bum-magnet food giveaways get shut down for lack of permits and food handling licenses.

    Recycling centers also get shut down for the same reason. Around here your recycle bin will be rummaged through daily if it isn’t locked behind a fence. The 5 cent can deposit has become more of a tax since 90% of the places to return them have shut down, leaving a tiny number of high-volume bum magnet centers in industrial areas.

    A notable problem in Sacramento County. The fruited plain funnels its meth heads to the interior suburbs of CA, usually thanks to some Episcopalian or mainline Protestant church who will put them up overnight. This is all in the Bible somewhere, according to the churchocrats. During the day the odiferous vagrants openly free-base in the parking lots and pester shoppers; amazingly, many seem to have bicycles, so they can fan out of course.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Homeless people own a lot more stuff than they used to. Reinhold Messner climbed Mt. Everest with fewer possessions than some homeless people I see lately.
  114. @Anonymous
    A notable problem in Sacramento County. The fruited plain funnels its meth heads to the interior suburbs of CA, usually thanks to some Episcopalian or mainline Protestant church who will put them up overnight. This is all in the Bible somewhere, according to the churchocrats. During the day the odiferous vagrants openly free-base in the parking lots and pester shoppers; amazingly, many seem to have bicycles, so they can fan out of course.

    Homeless people own a lot more stuff than they used to. Reinhold Messner climbed Mt. Everest with fewer possessions than some homeless people I see lately.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'Homeless people own a lot more stuff than they used to. Reinhold Messner climbed Mt. Everest with fewer possessions than some homeless people I see lately.'

    The epidemic of 'homeless people' ( the word for them, incidentally, is 'vagrants') fascinates me.

    No one offers a truly satisfying explanation for their sudden abundance. Why are they upon us? (and don't give me 'now we can't keep the looneys locked up.' (a) there were never that many looneys, and (b) One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest came out fifty years ago.)

    So what is it? Here we have evidence that our society is somehow collapsing in a very profound way -- and yet there's no serious discussion of it.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    It's hard to get a shopping cart up some of those technical sections, Steve.
    , @a reader

    Reinhold Messner climbed Mt. Everest with fewer possessions than some homeless people I see lately.
     
    Steve, I can't believe that's true.
  115. @Lot
    “willing to trade 1 Israeli for thousands of Arab prisoners”

    More like 50-100 to 1 in prior prisoner exchanges.

    There’s a certain morbid interest in reading a conversation between Lot and Jack D.

    Sort of like Hoess and Yagoda comparing notes — only Lot’s and Jack’s (hopeful) impotence lends a certain comic note to the proceedings.

  116. @Buffalo Joe
    Cortes, don't share this with my wife, that's above her pay grade, but good wife and outstanding mother.

    ‘Cortes, don’t share this with my wife, that’s above her pay grade, but good wife and outstanding mother.’

    That’s more or less what one of my neighbors on Hawaii said about one of his sheep. (Okay — there was nothing about her being a good wife. I’ll admit that.)

  117. @Steve Sailer
    Homeless people own a lot more stuff than they used to. Reinhold Messner climbed Mt. Everest with fewer possessions than some homeless people I see lately.

    ‘Homeless people own a lot more stuff than they used to. Reinhold Messner climbed Mt. Everest with fewer possessions than some homeless people I see lately.’

    The epidemic of ‘homeless people’ ( the word for them, incidentally, is ‘vagrants’) fascinates me.

    No one offers a truly satisfying explanation for their sudden abundance. Why are they upon us? (and don’t give me ‘now we can’t keep the looneys locked up.’ (a) there were never that many looneys, and (b) One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest came out fifty years ago.)

    So what is it? Here we have evidence that our society is somehow collapsing in a very profound way — and yet there’s no serious discussion of it.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    it's been discussed at length here. For instance:

    My neighbor's son is homeless and hooked on drugs. He's also a thief and belongs in prison until he dries out and straightens up. Guess what? the "justice" system keeps letting him out, regardless of how much he steals. He won't get the prison sentence he needs until he kills someone. So... for those days and nights when he can't sponge off someone he fills out the ranks of the homeless you see.
  118. @Lot
    In SoCal there are intra-left fights between homeowners and progressive churches whose bum-magnet food giveaways get shut down for lack of permits and food handling licenses.

    Recycling centers also get shut down for the same reason. Around here your recycle bin will be rummaged through daily if it isn’t locked behind a fence. The 5 cent can deposit has become more of a tax since 90% of the places to return them have shut down, leaving a tiny number of high-volume bum magnet centers in industrial areas.

    Lot, your mentioning of SoCal recycling centers was of interest to me. My step-son was a homeless derelict on the streets of LA for many years. Like so many others he collected cans to help support his drug habit. He became friends with a Latina who managed one of these centers and eventually married her. This marriage helped him straighten out his life but one day he had the misfortune to encounter some gang bangers who shot him dead. The LA police made a perfunctory, but meaningless effort to locate the killer(s) which of course came to naught. I was surprised to read that 90% of the recycling centers have been shut down, apparently for lack of permits.

  119. Why do we follow the NYT on anything? It’s a propaganda rag with and anti-American and anti-Western bent.

  120. @Jack D
    Gilad Shalit was exchanged for over 1,000 prisoners:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_Shalit_prisoner_exchange

    So just imagine how many Gene Shalit would fetch

  121. @Sam Malone
    Volunteering to nanny a race of violent incompetents who in various ways make it plain how much they despise you. Wise move, and a valuable use of your time and compassion.

    They don’t despise me. Maybe it’s you Sam. Don’t sell yourself so short next time.

  122. @EliteCommInc.
    "There were seven volunteers yesterday and the kitchen manager, all white. The NYT, WaPo and the MSM stir the pot of hate constantly throwing in scraps that they call reasons to hate whites. "


    Having worked in the inner city more than once as a volunteer and on mission, there's one observation that cannot be understated. Most people are very fine individuals. If you can't handle the animosity that exists in inner city populations resulting from a myriad of possibilities --


    don't work in those populations. The hate that exists, and I ran into very little is does not require stirring. It's an inherited part of the US social policy. You know, issues like: red lining, police over use of force (even by a small number), economic policy - immigration . . .


    it doesn't mean that said is acceptable. But you either address it, let it slide or don't bother. What i learned is that over time, you either earn their trust or you do not.

    No I’m thinking either they can be pleasant or leave. Their hate is their own. Nobody but them is responsible.

  123. @istevefan

    I’m sure they wince every time they key that name in.
     
    I think somebody on this blog made a witty post that New Zealand is so bat shit crazy that we shouldn't be surprised if they renamed Christchurch to Muhammedsmosque.

    Maybe there are some Peak Stupidity readers who just don’t want to admit they read the site. Check the bolded words in the 5th paragraph of this post on the spawn of the Hildabeast from March 19th.

  124. @Steve Sailer
    Homeless people own a lot more stuff than they used to. Reinhold Messner climbed Mt. Everest with fewer possessions than some homeless people I see lately.

    It’s hard to get a shopping cart up some of those technical sections, Steve.

    • Replies: @Logan
    Absolutely. Need to develop a climbing cart with rounded edges so it won't catch on the ledges.
  125. @EliteCommInc.
    I suspect that given the years of tit for tat murders and reprisals between the Tamil Tigers and the those that oppose a separate state has amounted to no small share of animus/hatred among the variou factions.

    Trying to decipher how much of it is christian verses anti-christian would need a larger view of the historical dynamic than is on display here.

    Okay.
    Tamil Tigers aren’t Christian.
    Governing Sinhalese aren’t Christian.
    Muslims want revenge for a certain recent non-Sri Lankan attack by a certain white guy (read: Christian).
    There was no recent previous trouble between Christians and Sri Lankan Muslims.
    The decade or so of relative peace followed the undisguised death camp aktion of the Tamil Tigers by the government, which, for all its criminality, worked, and which did not involve Christians.

    • Replies: @Anon
    A number of Tigers actually were Christian, since the LTTE was a pretty secular organization, but the amount was not all that significant. Otherwise your post is spot on.
  126. Sri Lanka’s Unending Civil War

    The unending 1983-2009 civil war between Tamils and Sinhalese … no, that doesn’t seem to fit.

    as the New Irish Republican Army, radical heir to republican paramilitaries of Northern Ireland’s long sectarian feud of decades past, demonstrated last week during riots in which the police suspect that a member shot dead a reporter.

    When there are so many attacks for so many different causes, perhaps even the NYT should concede that shooting people can no longer be considered “radical”.

    As for the “New Irish Republican Army”, the people arrested had not even been born during what the IRA called its “armed struggle”.

    The riot and shooting were not a continuation of the “long sectarian feud”. MTV were filming a documentary “focusing on how Brexit has reignited tensions in Northern Ireland”. In fact the culprit was not Brexit but MTV itself – the New IRA staged the riot for the cameras.

  127. @Jack D
    This is not as bad as it could be. It mentions Easter and churches on the victim side, Islamists as the perpetrators. Then it gets into the whole "climate of hate thing" and goes off the rails.

    This was not a one off crazy guy like Christchurch or Las Vegas. This was an organized military operation that required dozens if not hundreds of people to be involved. That's the real difference. It's becoming clearer that this attack was intended as retaliation for Christchurch. Islamists operate on the Nazi reprisal principle - if you kill one of ours, we kill 10 of yours. There is no negotiation possible with enemies like this. They must be eliminated to the point where they can no longer offer organized resistance. This doesn't require killing all Muslims any more that we were required to kill every last German to get rid of the Nazis. They just must be so detached from power and weapons and so deprived of popular support that they are rendered harmless. So preaching of Islamist ideology must be banned the same way that Nazism is banned in Europe. Islamists will always look for weak points so assistance must be given to places like Ceylon with the corresponding stick that their governments will be held accountable if any Westerners are injured.

    Actually, all that would have been necessary would have been to keep them out of 9ur countries, as we strove to do for centuries. Bringing in Muslims as immigrants, let alone mass immigration of Muslims and other Third Worlders is the root cause of the trouble.I believe there was an elderly Australian senator named Frazer Anning who said as much. Then he was bopped on the head with an egg by a 17-year old creep.

  128. @Anonymous
    For some reason, that reminds me of when politicians like John Edwards will invoke state-of-Greatest-Generation-art sentimental examples like "the 5-year-old girl shivering in this town because she has no coat." Our thrift stores have so many girls' coats they get shipped abroad to shield against the famous harsh winters of Haiti and Lebanon. I daresay it's pretty easy, with some patience and minimal planning, to get yourself some free milk, in a carton even, in a country where local "food bank" outfits are ubiquitous and will draw obvious crowds of prima-facie needy (at least needy enough to wait in line for several hours with the other freeloaders). I don't think it's a racially advantaged thing; in NYC the Dominicans had a good business exporting the proverbial government cheese back home for a profit, implying the sufficient scale of this routine wealth transfer. So the guy who accosted your wife was really complaining about a lack of volunteer concern for his own convenience. Makes him look less destitute that way, rather more like a selfish bum. Anyway, surly panhandlers don't last very long in the profession

    “Anyway, surly panhandlers don’t last very long in the profession”

    Is there such a thing as a non-surly panhandler?

  129. @Matthew Kelly
    I'm amazed the nonsense term "hate" (in all its varieties) has retained its currency to date without the slightest hint of needing a rebranding. (Unlike, say, the term "diversity", which is slowly being phased out for the less-easily-mocked "inclusion".) That so many people just uncritically accept that word as the end-all-be-all justification for whatever it is TPTB wants to do, I find absolutely mind bottling.

    The staying power of the weaponized “hate” can also be attributed to a major failing in our religious understanding, I think. Christianity supports the idea–or at least doesn’t condemn it–that there is such a thing as an evil emotion, which is obviously wrong.

    “Hate” is an emotion and, like all emotions, it is neither good nor bad by itself. Most people are confused about this, but emotions are only rational or irrational depending on the circumstances. It is rational for a woman whose husband has raped their daughter to feel hatred toward her husband. That hate is good hate. It is appropriate to the circumstances and provides the determination to take the stepsnecessary to ensure their daughter is never threatened by him again. It would be irrational if she didn’thate him. Conversely, it is irrational to hate someone because he was born in Mexico.

    But it isn’t the hate that’s the problem, it’s the irrationality. And that’s great, because we can “fight” irrationality through enlightenment. Debate, argument, the free exchange of ideas, open dialogue, tolerance of diverse opinions—these are the weapons in the fight against irrationality.

    The fight against hate is something altogether different because hate is simply an emotion that humans have; we can no more fight hate than we can fight digestion. The actual elimination of human hate would require the elimination of the human. Dehumanization, demonization, shutting down free speech, protesting speakers, censorship, deplatforming—these are the weapons in the fight against hate.

    When the SPLC links “Nazi atrocities” to support for a more moderate immigration policy, is it attempting to enlighten or to demonize? When it shuts down a program hoping to stem the epidemic of suicide among white males is it fighting hate or committing it?

    When 24-year-old Ryan Wilson—a father, a heroin addict, a white male born and raised in Lexington, Missouri—came to us for shelter on the brutally cold night of February 17, 2018, we had to turn him down as a direct result of the climate of hate the SPLC had created in Lexington. It cost Ryan his life and, by creating the climate of hate that led to it, the SPLC is liable for his wrongful death. Beaulah Mae Donald v. United Klans of America Inc. et al: 1987

    To fight hate is to become it.

    Nelsen v SPLC, et al
    https://www.craignelsen.com/nelsen_v_splc/index.php
    (except for first paragraph)

    • Agree: Desiderius
  130. @Logan
    I like that!

    "Mind-bottling."

    I can’t claim credit for that. Not sure if it was a Will Farrell ad lib or written for him, but the credit goes in general to Blades of Glory.

    “I see you still look like a fifteen year old girl, but not hot!”

  131. “We’ve seen it all, again and again — in Christchurch, Kabul, Paris, New York …” How could they not have mentioned Charlottesville in this sentence? For the NYT, one SJW being run over by a panicked white guy is worse than 300+ Christians being premeditatedly murdered in Sri Lanka isn’t it?

  132. @Jack D
    Your dream of mono-ethnic paradises have existed in only a few places in the world for a brief period and these were usually made possible by bloody ethnic cleansings (this includes the US). New Zealand, which you might imagine as one of the whitest places on earth, always had a substantial Maori population and still does - they were there first, so "they all have to go back" in NZ would mean the English most of all.

    these were usually made possible by bloody ethnic cleansings (this includes the US)

    Are you saying Manifest Destiny was wrong? Or going back much further, that Steve’s oft-mentioned Aryan invasions of Europe are objectively regrettable?

  133. @Sam Malone
    Volunteering to nanny a race of violent incompetents who in various ways make it plain how much they despise you. Wise move, and a valuable use of your time and compassion.

    Sam, Thank you for acknowledging that I am a compassionate man and valuable to some degree. I feel vindicated. Have a good day my friend.

  134. @Anonymous
    For some reason, that reminds me of when politicians like John Edwards will invoke state-of-Greatest-Generation-art sentimental examples like "the 5-year-old girl shivering in this town because she has no coat." Our thrift stores have so many girls' coats they get shipped abroad to shield against the famous harsh winters of Haiti and Lebanon. I daresay it's pretty easy, with some patience and minimal planning, to get yourself some free milk, in a carton even, in a country where local "food bank" outfits are ubiquitous and will draw obvious crowds of prima-facie needy (at least needy enough to wait in line for several hours with the other freeloaders). I don't think it's a racially advantaged thing; in NYC the Dominicans had a good business exporting the proverbial government cheese back home for a profit, implying the sufficient scale of this routine wealth transfer. So the guy who accosted your wife was really complaining about a lack of volunteer concern for his own convenience. Makes him look less destitute that way, rather more like a selfish bum. Anyway, surly panhandlers don't last very long in the profession

    Anon, Thank you for the reply.

  135. @Colin Wright
    'Homeless people own a lot more stuff than they used to. Reinhold Messner climbed Mt. Everest with fewer possessions than some homeless people I see lately.'

    The epidemic of 'homeless people' ( the word for them, incidentally, is 'vagrants') fascinates me.

    No one offers a truly satisfying explanation for their sudden abundance. Why are they upon us? (and don't give me 'now we can't keep the looneys locked up.' (a) there were never that many looneys, and (b) One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest came out fifty years ago.)

    So what is it? Here we have evidence that our society is somehow collapsing in a very profound way -- and yet there's no serious discussion of it.

    it’s been discussed at length here. For instance:

    My neighbor’s son is homeless and hooked on drugs. He’s also a thief and belongs in prison until he dries out and straightens up. Guess what? the “justice” system keeps letting him out, regardless of how much he steals. He won’t get the prison sentence he needs until he kills someone. So… for those days and nights when he can’t sponge off someone he fills out the ranks of the homeless you see.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'it’s been discussed at length here. For instance:

    My neighbor’s son is homeless and hooked on drugs. He’s also a thief and belongs in prison until he dries out and straightens up. Guess what? the “justice” system keeps letting him out, regardless of how much he steals. He won’t get the prison sentence he needs until he kills someone. So… for those days and nights when he can’t sponge off someone he fills out the ranks of the homeless you see.'

    This doesn't really address the central question: just what is wrong?

    Saying we need to lock up the population in question may or may not be true -- but it doesn't explain what's gone askew. Normal societies don't need to incarcerate literally millions of their members.

  136. @Jack D
    Your dream of mono-ethnic paradises have existed in only a few places in the world for a brief period and these were usually made possible by bloody ethnic cleansings (this includes the US). New Zealand, which you might imagine as one of the whitest places on earth, always had a substantial Maori population and still does - they were there first, so "they all have to go back" in NZ would mean the English most of all.

    Your dream of mono-ethnic paradises have existed in only a few places in the world for a brief period and these were usually made possible by bloody ethnic cleansings (this includes the US).

    What, you’ve ditched the law and are trying screen-writing for woke Netflix productions?

    Jack, i realize–everyone here realizes–that your are *deeply* committed to the Jewish (middle man minority) world view of how things are *supposed to be*–and really were if not for those evil white racists\nationalists\Nazis–but this is just stupid.


    Most people in most places throughout most of history have lived in villages farming or fishing–and before settlement, wandering hunting and gathering–with people just like them, speaking the same language, practicing the same religion … and marrying each other!

    Yes, once civilization got cranking there were “cities” but most people didn’t live in them or even enter them and they were population sinks until the last few centuries. And even those cities would generally be people of the same racial/ethnic/religious group, with very limited trader-from-somewhere-else diversity, where some sort of state authority made that safe/possible.

    When civilization scaled up, there were more places where your nominal sovereign–king, emperor–might also rule over some other different people over the hills. But that didn’t mean you lived with them–you lived with your people, they lived with their people. (Flemish and Walloons.)

    Where your people and other people rubbed up against each other there was usually conflict–someone wins and take territory, someone loses. And if people rubbed up against each other and achieved peace it usually would have to involve exchanging brides and merging into a common tribe/people. Likewise if peace externally imposed, then there would be a tendency to merge.

    It generally takes a strong racial/linguistic/caste/religious difference for people in proximity at peace not to merge. Generally people merge or they fight–usually fight with the merging is post-conquest.

    ~~~

    Your Jewish model of reality is actually the imperial model: the big muckety-mucks make all the peasants behave and allow the Jews to wander about middle-manning without any trouble. Think Romans, Ottomans.

    (One of the ironies is Jewish whining about the Tsar. A fraught relationship sure. But in fact, if not but for the Tsar–i.e. an external authority, suppressing violence–the Jews couldn’t have survived there. The local peasantry would have created their own states run for and by their own ethnys and the Jews would have been SOL–chased off or merged or killed.)

    It’s in empires where you have “diversity”. The Roman Empire doesn’t want Thracians and Greeks fighting over territory. It wants them paying taxes. If they start causing trouble … legions will be dispatched for the troublemakers. So within an empire, you will have a bit more diversity. You might find a few of all sorts of different peoples in Rome. And yet still, in these empires, most people will be living with their own people. Go to Palestine, it’s full of Jews. Go to Greece, it’s full of Greeks. Just absent their freedom and self-determination.

    An empire may suppress ethnic conflict, but it doesn’t change the general pattern of people living–and being happiest–with their own kind. And note it only suppress ethnic conflict–at the price of people being free and controlling their own destiny. And still, where there’s diversity conflict is always bubbling up.

    It’s no surprise that with the Jewish ascendancy, America has shifted decisively to the imperial model. We are no longer a free republic, but essentially have elite dictat–mostly through the courts. Our elections are increasingly meaningless and our historic Anglo-Saxon freedoms vanishing, while diversity is rammed up our asses. “Shut up, don’t make trouble and pay your taxes!” That’s the price of diversity.

    And yet, lots of people work hard and sacrifice to find a comfy, as “mono-ethnic” as possible, enclave to live in. And still, where there is divesity … conflict keeps bubbling up.

  137. @EliteCommInc.
    "There were seven volunteers yesterday and the kitchen manager, all white. The NYT, WaPo and the MSM stir the pot of hate constantly throwing in scraps that they call reasons to hate whites. "


    Having worked in the inner city more than once as a volunteer and on mission, there's one observation that cannot be understated. Most people are very fine individuals. If you can't handle the animosity that exists in inner city populations resulting from a myriad of possibilities --


    don't work in those populations. The hate that exists, and I ran into very little is does not require stirring. It's an inherited part of the US social policy. You know, issues like: red lining, police over use of force (even by a small number), economic policy - immigration . . .


    it doesn't mean that said is acceptable. But you either address it, let it slide or don't bother. What i learned is that over time, you either earn their trust or you do not.

    Earn their trust. Right.

  138. @J.Ross
    Okay.
    Tamil Tigers aren't Christian.
    Governing Sinhalese aren't Christian.
    Muslims want revenge for a certain recent non-Sri Lankan attack by a certain white guy (read: Christian).
    There was no recent previous trouble between Christians and Sri Lankan Muslims.
    The decade or so of relative peace followed the undisguised death camp aktion of the Tamil Tigers by the government, which, for all its criminality, worked, and which did not involve Christians.

    A number of Tigers actually were Christian, since the LTTE was a pretty secular organization, but the amount was not all that significant. Otherwise your post is spot on.

  139. @Anon7
    “...generations reared in violence are likely to have it in their blood.”

    For God’s sake, don’t tell the good Lutheran women of Minnesota about Sri Lankans, otherwise they’ll want a hundred thousand or so for their collection - to go along with their Somalians.
  140. @Endgame Napoleon
    Their cherrpicking argument could have been reinforced by adding the murderous handiwork of various and sundry white school shooters, mostly from top 20% households of dual-earner professional parents with daycare or grandparent-raised kids, but that would detract from the feminist working-mom glorification.

    Columbine, Sandy Hook, Stoneman Douglas.

    So exactly how do you know about the child raising practices of the parents of the shooters? Do tell. . Aren’t you the poster who blamed the Notre Dame fire on a worker so burdened with parenthood he carelessly caused the fire?

    I might be wrong, but I remember that the mothers of the Columbine shooters didn’t have jobs. Of course the fathers must have worked. But if teens are such delicate helpless creatures they need both parents hovering 24/7 it’s a wonder high schools even exist.

  141. @Buffalo Joe
    Slightly OT. Yesterday my wife and I volunteered at an inner city mission as we do once a week. On the way home she told me that a man asked for a carton of milk, which we keep in the commercial size refrigerator and she explained that the milk was just for children or cooking. He looked at her and said..."If I was white you'd give me milk." and then walked away. There were seven volunteers yesterday and the kitchen manager, all white. The NYT, WaPo and the MSM stir the pot of hate constantly throwing in scraps that they call reasons to hate whites. I am actually sad that my wife left feeling like she had done something wrong, when all she did was follow long established rules. To paraphrase something I read here, 1864 and 1964 were yesterday.

    He was probably lactose intolerant anyway.

  142. @Steve Sailer
    Homeless people own a lot more stuff than they used to. Reinhold Messner climbed Mt. Everest with fewer possessions than some homeless people I see lately.

    Reinhold Messner climbed Mt. Everest with fewer possessions than some homeless people I see lately.

    Steve, I can’t believe that’s true.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    But these are kind of old fashioned not quite right in the head homeless people. Lately I'm seeing homeless people who look like sleeping on an air mattress in a tent on the Venice Beach walkway is the result of an acutely rational cost-benefit analysis.

    At a lunch last summer I sat next to the City Manager of Santa Monica. My impression is he's done a good job of pushing a lot of homeless people out of Santa Monica down to Venice in L.A., but I didn't ask him about it because I'd be tempted to write about it. Instead I asked him how he's dealing with the electric scooters, and he laughed ruefully for 15 seconds and showed me an irate email he'd just gotten minutes before from a constituent about electric scooters.

    , @Logan
    Messner didn't have a shopping cart to haul his possessions up Everest in. He had to carry everything.
  143. @a reader

    Reinhold Messner climbed Mt. Everest with fewer possessions than some homeless people I see lately.
     
    Steve, I can't believe that's true.

    But these are kind of old fashioned not quite right in the head homeless people. Lately I’m seeing homeless people who look like sleeping on an air mattress in a tent on the Venice Beach walkway is the result of an acutely rational cost-benefit analysis.

    At a lunch last summer I sat next to the City Manager of Santa Monica. My impression is he’s done a good job of pushing a lot of homeless people out of Santa Monica down to Venice in L.A., but I didn’t ask him about it because I’d be tempted to write about it. Instead I asked him how he’s dealing with the electric scooters, and he laughed ruefully for 15 seconds and showed me an irate email he’d just gotten minutes before from a constituent about electric scooters.

  144. @J.Ross
    I would be happy with "they have to stay in their countries, and if they're so much as visiting here they have to actually obey the rules." But JD has that albatross around his neck, where "their" putative country would also be his.

    Maybe “they have to stay in their countries” worked in the old days (not really – the US has been involved in North Africa since the first days of the Republic and we weren’t shy about bringing “immigrants” in chains over from Africa) but the world has gotten very small. The Sri Lankan terrorists stayed in their own country and yet managed to kill a lot of Westerners. As we found out on 9/11, if you take the view that whatever happens in Afghanistan 0r Sri Lanka or wherever is none of our business so long as they don’t immigrate to the West, it BECOMES our business anyway, whether we like it or not. You may not be interested in ISIS but ISIS is interested in you.

    • Replies: @Anon
    It's hardly a method of thinking unique to Muslims, though. It may well be a general Semitic attitude, or one generally prevalent among societies built on a strong tribal basis. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1946_British_Embassy_bombing , for instance, as an example of what other groups sometimes resort to when they feel they are losing.


    But the sheer number of Muslims worldwide makes it more of a concern in their case.
    , @Colin Wright
    'Maybe “they have to stay in their countries” worked in the old days (not really – the US has been involved in North Africa since the first days of the Republic and we weren’t shy about bringing “immigrants” in chains over from Africa)...'

    It's a red herring, but technically, we were 'shy.' We established our independence in 1783. I believe it was twenty five years later, in 1808, that we banned the importation of slaves. That, say, compares favorably to the gap between the notion that homosexuality should be tolerated (circa 1970) and the legalization of gay marriage (circa 2015).

    For whatever reason, we moved pretty promptly barring the importation of slaves.
    , @William Badwhite

    As we found out on 9/11, if you take the view that whatever happens in Afghanistan 0r Sri Lanka or wherever is none of our business so long as they don’t immigrate to the West
     
    What happened on 9/11 wouldn't have happened if there weren't a bunch of unsupervised Saudis wandering around. 9/11 was in immigration failure, not an intelligence/law enforcement failure. There is nothing Saudis bring to the table that we need here.
    , @Anonymous

    As we found out on 9/11, if you take the view that whatever happens in Afghanistan 0r Sri Lanka or wherever is none of our business so long as they don’t immigrate to the West, it BECOMES our business anyway, whether we like it or not.
     
    9/11 was retaliation for US complicity in Zionist oppression, theft, and murder
  145. Anon[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    Maybe "they have to stay in their countries" worked in the old days (not really - the US has been involved in North Africa since the first days of the Republic and we weren't shy about bringing "immigrants" in chains over from Africa) but the world has gotten very small. The Sri Lankan terrorists stayed in their own country and yet managed to kill a lot of Westerners. As we found out on 9/11, if you take the view that whatever happens in Afghanistan 0r Sri Lanka or wherever is none of our business so long as they don't immigrate to the West, it BECOMES our business anyway, whether we like it or not. You may not be interested in ISIS but ISIS is interested in you.

    It’s hardly a method of thinking unique to Muslims, though. It may well be a general Semitic attitude, or one generally prevalent among societies built on a strong tribal basis. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1946_British_Embassy_bombing , for instance, as an example of what other groups sometimes resort to when they feel they are losing.

    But the sheer number of Muslims worldwide makes it more of a concern in their case.

  146. @Cagey Beast
    I have found that people from all sorts of traditions and political stripes in Ireland do insist that the conflict was (is?) about who ran the place, far more than it was about religion. Outsiders prefer the idea that it's all about religion, so that's what they stick with no matter what anyone says to the contrary.

    ‘I have found that people from all sorts of traditions and political stripes in Ireland do insist that the conflict was (is?) about who ran the place, far more than it was about religion. Outsiders prefer the idea that it’s all about religion, so that’s what they stick with no matter what anyone says to the contrary.’

    Perhaps. On the other hand, people do tend to prefer the clarity of economic arguments. See the accusations that Iraq was a ‘war for oil,’ Vietnam was a ‘war for oil,’ and presumably World War Two was a ‘war for oil,’ (or was it a plot of the arms manufacturers?). Certainly that last was monotonously proffered up as an explanation for World War One.

    These arguments aren’t necessarily without foundation. At the same time, in a case like that of Northern Ireland, I’d suggest it may be like mental illness and homelessness. Is it that crazy people become homeless, or that being homeless makes you crazy?

    Both can be at work, reinforcing each other; and I’d suggest the same thing with Northern Ireland. The religious divide led to one group gaining economic dominance, and the economic division reinforces the religious divide.

  147. @Jack D
    Maybe "they have to stay in their countries" worked in the old days (not really - the US has been involved in North Africa since the first days of the Republic and we weren't shy about bringing "immigrants" in chains over from Africa) but the world has gotten very small. The Sri Lankan terrorists stayed in their own country and yet managed to kill a lot of Westerners. As we found out on 9/11, if you take the view that whatever happens in Afghanistan 0r Sri Lanka or wherever is none of our business so long as they don't immigrate to the West, it BECOMES our business anyway, whether we like it or not. You may not be interested in ISIS but ISIS is interested in you.

    ‘Maybe “they have to stay in their countries” worked in the old days (not really – the US has been involved in North Africa since the first days of the Republic and we weren’t shy about bringing “immigrants” in chains over from Africa)…’

    It’s a red herring, but technically, we were ‘shy.’ We established our independence in 1783. I believe it was twenty five years later, in 1808, that we banned the importation of slaves. That, say, compares favorably to the gap between the notion that homosexuality should be tolerated (circa 1970) and the legalization of gay marriage (circa 2015).

    For whatever reason, we moved pretty promptly barring the importation of slaves.

    • Replies: @Logan
    1808. Because the Constitution prevented such laws being passed for 20 years. It passed the first time it could.
  148. @Jack D
    Maybe "they have to stay in their countries" worked in the old days (not really - the US has been involved in North Africa since the first days of the Republic and we weren't shy about bringing "immigrants" in chains over from Africa) but the world has gotten very small. The Sri Lankan terrorists stayed in their own country and yet managed to kill a lot of Westerners. As we found out on 9/11, if you take the view that whatever happens in Afghanistan 0r Sri Lanka or wherever is none of our business so long as they don't immigrate to the West, it BECOMES our business anyway, whether we like it or not. You may not be interested in ISIS but ISIS is interested in you.

    As we found out on 9/11, if you take the view that whatever happens in Afghanistan 0r Sri Lanka or wherever is none of our business so long as they don’t immigrate to the West

    What happened on 9/11 wouldn’t have happened if there weren’t a bunch of unsupervised Saudis wandering around. 9/11 was in immigration failure, not an intelligence/law enforcement failure. There is nothing Saudis bring to the table that we need here.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    9/11 was in immigration failure, not an intelligence/law enforcement failure.

    9/11 was a domestic politics failure and a foreign policy failure.
  149. @a reader

    Reinhold Messner climbed Mt. Everest with fewer possessions than some homeless people I see lately.
     
    Steve, I can't believe that's true.

    Messner didn’t have a shopping cart to haul his possessions up Everest in. He had to carry everything.

  150. @Colin Wright
    'Maybe “they have to stay in their countries” worked in the old days (not really – the US has been involved in North Africa since the first days of the Republic and we weren’t shy about bringing “immigrants” in chains over from Africa)...'

    It's a red herring, but technically, we were 'shy.' We established our independence in 1783. I believe it was twenty five years later, in 1808, that we banned the importation of slaves. That, say, compares favorably to the gap between the notion that homosexuality should be tolerated (circa 1970) and the legalization of gay marriage (circa 2015).

    For whatever reason, we moved pretty promptly barring the importation of slaves.

    1808. Because the Constitution prevented such laws being passed for 20 years. It passed the first time it could.

  151. @Achmed E. Newman
    It's hard to get a shopping cart up some of those technical sections, Steve.

    Absolutely. Need to develop a climbing cart with rounded edges so it won’t catch on the ledges.

  152. @Desiderius
    That’s another way of staying Haidt’s thesis from The Righteous Mind.

    https://righteousmind.com/

    Two thumbs up for Haidt.

  153. @Anon
    Indonesia has killed 10x as many unarmed demonstrators this year but i haven't seen you get worked up about it. Your takkiyah is pretty bad.

    ‘Indonesia has killed 10x as many unarmed demonstrators this year but i haven’t seen you get worked up about it. Your takkiyah is pretty bad.’

    Has Indonesia actually killed two thousand unarmed demonstrators this year? I suppose given the differences in their sizes, she’d really need to murder sixty thousand to be ten times as evil as the Mighty Mite.

    So has she done that?

    In any case, shall we discuss the extent of the support and the volume of applause we extend to Indonesia?

    Many teenagers tonight will steal cars. That’s deplorable.

    If one of them is my son, you’ll excuse me if I don’t content myself with pointing out all the others who are doing it too.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Colin are you still pretending that you are not a Muslim ? Strange that anyone other than an avowed islamic supremacist would find reason to obsess over Israel when Muslims are a world wide murder machine.

    2.5 million Biafrans killed by Nigeria.
    800k Darfuris killed by Sudan.
    500k West Papuans killed by Indonesia.
    500k Syrians killed by Syria.
    150k Chechens killed by Russia.
    80k Cypriots and Kurds killed by Turki.
    40k Western Saharan killed by Morocco.
    25k PaLie$tinians killed by Israel.
    Takkiyah killer !!!!!
  154. Anon[407] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright
    'Indonesia has killed 10x as many unarmed demonstrators this year but i haven’t seen you get worked up about it. Your takkiyah is pretty bad.'

    Has Indonesia actually killed two thousand unarmed demonstrators this year? I suppose given the differences in their sizes, she'd really need to murder sixty thousand to be ten times as evil as the Mighty Mite.

    So has she done that?

    In any case, shall we discuss the extent of the support and the volume of applause we extend to Indonesia?

    Many teenagers tonight will steal cars. That's deplorable.

    If one of them is my son, you'll excuse me if I don't content myself with pointing out all the others who are doing it too.

    Colin are you still pretending that you are not a Muslim ? Strange that anyone other than an avowed islamic supremacist would find reason to obsess over Israel when Muslims are a world wide murder machine.

    2.5 million Biafrans killed by Nigeria.
    800k Darfuris killed by Sudan.
    500k West Papuans killed by Indonesia.
    500k Syrians killed by Syria.
    150k Chechens killed by Russia.
    80k Cypriots and Kurds killed by Turki.
    40k Western Saharan killed by Morocco.
    25k PaLie$tinians killed by Israel.
    Takkiyah killer !!!!!

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'Colin are you still pretending that you are not a Muslim ?'

    Even for a Zionist, you're pretty lame.
  155. @Anon
    Colin are you still pretending that you are not a Muslim ? Strange that anyone other than an avowed islamic supremacist would find reason to obsess over Israel when Muslims are a world wide murder machine.

    2.5 million Biafrans killed by Nigeria.
    800k Darfuris killed by Sudan.
    500k West Papuans killed by Indonesia.
    500k Syrians killed by Syria.
    150k Chechens killed by Russia.
    80k Cypriots and Kurds killed by Turki.
    40k Western Saharan killed by Morocco.
    25k PaLie$tinians killed by Israel.
    Takkiyah killer !!!!!

    ‘Colin are you still pretending that you are not a Muslim ?’

    Even for a Zionist, you’re pretty lame.

  156. @stillCARealist
    it's been discussed at length here. For instance:

    My neighbor's son is homeless and hooked on drugs. He's also a thief and belongs in prison until he dries out and straightens up. Guess what? the "justice" system keeps letting him out, regardless of how much he steals. He won't get the prison sentence he needs until he kills someone. So... for those days and nights when he can't sponge off someone he fills out the ranks of the homeless you see.

    ‘it’s been discussed at length here. For instance:

    My neighbor’s son is homeless and hooked on drugs. He’s also a thief and belongs in prison until he dries out and straightens up. Guess what? the “justice” system keeps letting him out, regardless of how much he steals. He won’t get the prison sentence he needs until he kills someone. So… for those days and nights when he can’t sponge off someone he fills out the ranks of the homeless you see.’

    This doesn’t really address the central question: just what is wrong?

    Saying we need to lock up the population in question may or may not be true — but it doesn’t explain what’s gone askew. Normal societies don’t need to incarcerate literally millions of their members.

  157. Anonymous[440] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    Maybe "they have to stay in their countries" worked in the old days (not really - the US has been involved in North Africa since the first days of the Republic and we weren't shy about bringing "immigrants" in chains over from Africa) but the world has gotten very small. The Sri Lankan terrorists stayed in their own country and yet managed to kill a lot of Westerners. As we found out on 9/11, if you take the view that whatever happens in Afghanistan 0r Sri Lanka or wherever is none of our business so long as they don't immigrate to the West, it BECOMES our business anyway, whether we like it or not. You may not be interested in ISIS but ISIS is interested in you.

    As we found out on 9/11, if you take the view that whatever happens in Afghanistan 0r Sri Lanka or wherever is none of our business so long as they don’t immigrate to the West, it BECOMES our business anyway, whether we like it or not.

    9/11 was retaliation for US complicity in Zionist oppression, theft, and murder

  158. Anonymous[440] • Disclaimer says:
    @William Badwhite

    As we found out on 9/11, if you take the view that whatever happens in Afghanistan 0r Sri Lanka or wherever is none of our business so long as they don’t immigrate to the West
     
    What happened on 9/11 wouldn't have happened if there weren't a bunch of unsupervised Saudis wandering around. 9/11 was in immigration failure, not an intelligence/law enforcement failure. There is nothing Saudis bring to the table that we need here.

    9/11 was in immigration failure, not an intelligence/law enforcement failure.

    9/11 was a domestic politics failure and a foreign policy failure.

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