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The New York Times Editorial Board explains:

Europe Should See Refugees as a Boon, Not a Burden
By THE EDITORIAL BOARD SEPT. 18, 2015

Many European leaders have described the refugees who are risking their lives to get to the Continent as a burden. But there is good reason to believe that these immigrants will contribute more to Europe economically than they will take from it.

Numerous studies have found that immigrants bolster growth by increasing the labor force and consumer demand. …

Immigrants can be particularly important for countries like Germany that have low birthrates and aging populations. Germany already relies on workers from other European Union nations to fill many jobs. But as the populations of all European nations grow older, Germany will have to look beyond the Continent for workers. That’s partly why it has been more willing to accept refugees from Syria than have nations like France and Britain, which have higher birthrates.

The NYT Editorial Board’s logic has been reiterated by another expert source, Imam Sheik Muhammad Ayed:

https://youtu.be/cdHg9TADZyA

“Europe has become old and decrepit and needs human reinforcement….they are not motivated by compassion for the Levant, its people and its refugees, … Soon, we will trample them underfoot, Allah willing.”

“Throughout Europe, all the hearts are enthused with hatred toward Muslims. They wish that we were dead, but they have lost their fertility, so they look for fertility in our midst.” …

“We will give them fertility! We will breed children with them, because we shall conquer their countries!” … “Whether you like it or not,” Americans, Italians, Germans and the French will be forced to take the “refugees”.

“We shall soon collect them in the name of the coming Caliphate. We will say to you: these are our sons. Send them, or we will send our armies to you.”

(Of course, as usual, I have no idea if the subtitles to the video are an accurate translation. If you speak Arabic, please let us know in the comments.)

 
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  1. I’m afraid The Times is a couple days behind the Zeitgeist. Since a couple days ago, Germany feels Syrians are needed more in Hungary and Croatia, than in Germany itself.

  2. There are more asylum seekers coming across the border from Sweden to Finland every day than are babies born in Finland per day. Double or triple the amount. Even if they were infertile, asylum seekers would constitute majority of some generations if they keep coming at the current pace.

    Even if they all were Einsteins they would not find a job.

    • Replies: @wolfy
    @Paavo

    are there any links.

    Replies: @Paavo

  3. The other night, Caitlyn Graham was making this argument. He said we had to fill up the country with fertile foreigners in order to keep the welfare state rolling. A gay man defending the welfare state and mass immigration and he’s a right winger.

    But, it was an interesting look inside the bubble. The people in charge really do think they need a new people. It’s not a joke by fringe weirdos and xenophobes. Even more interesting is that they place the welfare state at the top of their priority list. It’s so important, they’ll give up everything to defend it.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    @The Z Blog

    "The other night, Caitlyn Graham was making this argument. He said. . . ."

    Wait a minute. Are you saying Caitlyn is a male name? Well, what about the other much more famous Caitlyn? Are you suggesting he/she is a male, after all? I don't know what to think at this point. What you are saying is that it was a man who actually won the gold medal in the decathlon back in the 1976 Olympics, and here I had almost reconciled myself to the fact that it was a woman who won the male competition in the 1976 decathlon and went on to father six children by a various number of women.

    , @tbraton
    @The Z Blog

    "He said we had to fill up the country with fertile foreigners in order to keep the welfare state rolling. A gay man defending the welfare state and mass immigration and he’s a right winger.

    But, it was an interesting look inside the bubble. The people in charge really do think they need a new people. It’s not a joke by fringe weirdos and xenophobes. Even more interesting is that they place the welfare state at the top of their priority list. It’s so important, they’ll give up everything to defend it."

    Oh, a gay man thinks we need to bring in fertile foreigners to sustain the welfare state. Attention Monty Python, wherever you are, here's some fresh material for a skit.

    , @anon
    @The Z Blog


    The people in charge really do think they need a new people.
     
    Nah, it's hostile manipulative propaganda. If they believed it was a matter of birth rates they could have been promoting higher native birth rates for the last 50 years instead but not once - not a single time in 50 years.

    There's an outer ring of people who believe it because the propaganda is wall to wall in the MSM with no counter arguments allowed but the people in charge clearly don't believe it cos otherwise they'd promote pro-natal policies (like Putin and Israel).
  4. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    “But there is good reason to believe that these immigrants will contribute more to Europe economically than they will take from it.”

    If these non-whites are so wonderful, why did they mess up their own nations? True, Syrians are suffering cuz of Western intervention, but even before the recent crisis, the Middle East and esp Africa haven’t been centers of economic growth.
    I suppose there will be more cheaper labor, but isn’t EU suffering from high unemployment? Why not hire and use European workers without jobs?

    Still, for the sake of argument, let’s say all these immigrants will be an economic boon.
    But a nation isn’t just about economics. Imperialism was an economic boon to non-white regions, but non-whites wanted to rule their own nations. They wanted their own kind to dominate. So, they kicked the imperialists and colonizers out. That’s what a nation is.
    Maybe 5 million Asian Indians or Chinese will do wonders for the Israel economy, but Israel would no longer be Israel.
    Chinese entry into Tibet has led to economic growth, but Tibet is looking less like Tibet.

    Only a radical materialist would say a nation/culture is all about economics. A true nation is about ethnicity, identity, heritage, history. And surely, NYT knows this because they never call for open borders for Israel.

    Furthermore, if economism is all that NYT cares about, why does it play on identity politics in the US? After all, generally speaking, blacks who were brought over to the US to be slaves ended up better than Africans back home. So, from a purely economic viewpoint, blacks in America should be thanking white folks. I mean who cares about identity, history, culture, and heritage?

    Black gripe has been that they were torn from their own ancestral lands and used merely as economic units when people need more than work and livelihood. (Granted, blacks captured and sold blacks, but I see the point.)
    Also, if we use the NYT logic, American Indians have no reason to gripe since the arrival of white man greatly improved their lives. They no longer need to freeze their butts and hunt in winter. They can just go to a shopping mall and get all the food they want. They can even make money by running casinos and take money from pale face.
    So, Indians have no reason to gripe since white conquest of America led to a economic boon to their communities.
    If economics is all that matters, why we do we hear gripes about how the native cultures/identities and African cultures/identities were disrupted, suppressed, destroyed, and etc? I mean who cares about such ‘atavistic’ stuff? Economics should be the only thing that matters.

    The conscientious Right can make a case that a great civilization was created in the US with the coming of the white man while also acknowledging the tragedy of the natives who lost their lands and cultures. Culture and identity do matter. Eventually, Indians did end up better economically(much better), but they did lose something sacred to them. And it is not wrong for Indians to try to recover their identity and traditions and preserve them. And despite the economic benefits of the white-ruled America, Indians are right to see the loss of their native land as a tragedy.

    But NYT sees nothing tragic about native European peoples being displaced by waves and waves of non-Europeans. It just goes on and on about economics.
    This is rather funny since many Libs and Leftists at the NYT sympathized with Castro on the basis that even though Cuba was richer under Batista, it had more dignity and independence under Castro the nationalist.
    But now, NYT is into global-Batista-ism where Europe is concerned. It says Europe should become a banana republic of the globalist super-rich and not resist the masses of poor arriving from the Third World while the native populations are browbeaten and demoralized. Did Hyman Roth survive and take over NYT? Do national governments exist to serve their own people or to serve the Roths of the world?

    But the truly rotten thing is NYT is wrong on two counts. It is wrong to say identity/culture doesn’t matter(at least in white nations) and it is also wrong about this ‘boon’ thing. Yeah, it will be a ‘boon’ in the way that massive immigration has been a boon for California which has both the extremes of the very rich and masses of the very poor.

    At any rate, a nation is more than economics. It is race, culture, and heritage. A nation that forgets that is no longer a nation. When the elites of a nation betray their own people and serve as comparador elites to the Hyman Roths of the world, it is finished. It will become Batista-ized.

    If Germany really needs extra workers, it should carry out the labor policy legally. Make sure that workers arrive in Germany, work for a certain time, and go back home. Make sure foreign workers follow the contract. But the international law being what it is, this is nearly impossible.

    Btw, why isn’t there any editorial that white people should have more kids and that PC/feminism/materialist culture have been a huge failure? Surely, a people who can’t even produce enough kids to survive as a nation have embraced the wrong values and ideology, wrong priorities. But then, that would lead the discussion to the failure of modern soulless Liberalism. And NYT doesn’t wanna go there as it wants modern white people to be addicted to the opium of decadence-as-the-new-decency.

    PS. In the US, it sort of made sense to bring in more immigrants because Mexicans, for example, make better low-wage workers than blacks who are just awful and ghastly.
    But Europe didn’t have a black problem. It didn’t need a buffer race between themselves and blacks. Instead, Europeans seem to be importing the problem of diversity in an almost gratuitously stupid way.

    • Replies: @Lepanto
    @Priss Factor

    The speaker in the video is white...Caucasian, if you are into that sort of thing.

    , @jawohl
    @Priss Factor

    Your comments kick ass.

  5. Perhaps the NYTimes editorial board has turned its back on more natural ways of increasing population? Leaving accepting immigrants as the only solution.

    • Replies: @Frank Brown
    @AEOLIUS

    In that case, the NYTimes editorial board should reconsider its position on gay marriage in light of decreasing population.

    The NYTimes editorial board has been weaponized against us and our cultures. Make no mistake about that.

  6. We know that genetic differences between peoples don’t exist for these people at the Times, but even culture and religion are null sets? They really seem to believe that people are just pegs that you can plug interchangeably into an economic pegboard.

    One more example of how dehumanizing leftism is.

    • Replies: @asdf
    @Percy Gryce

    "They really seem to believe that people are just pegs that you can plug interchangeably into an economic pegboard."...

    Exactly. Seems obvious to me. I would note that if these guys are all so vital, it's strange all their countries are dumps everyone wants to leave.

    It's either complete cynicism, or blind brainwashing. Or both.

    , @Drapetomaniac
    @Percy Gryce

    "One more example of how dehumanizing leftism is."

    Not just leftism, all forms of government treat their subjects as objects to be manipulated, controlled, or used to the benefit of said governments.

    Government is just a savage vestige of nature that dominates man's world.

    A nature red in tooth and claw.

  7. Aren’t the Haredi of Israel pretty fertile too? Perhaps Germany could roll out the red carpet for them instead… Could be an interesting welcome back to Europe?

    Our dear Krauts wouldn’t need to worry about their nice schicksa ladies getting cucked by a people who reject intermarriage. However the Haredi religious extremism might prove even more difficult to integrate than that of the Syrian muslims.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

    Secular hipster types having been moving from Israel to Berlin for the urban environment and low cost of living.

  8. Following this reasoning, Germany should transplant all the population of Niger (world’s highest fertility rate of 7 children per woman)

    • Replies: @Olorin
    @Andy

    Hate to remember it, never mind say it. But I've heard suggestions like your tongue-in-cheek one offered entirely seriously.

    This was in expensive rooms where global foundations' program directors meet to discuss how to spend their millions re-engineering the human race according to their funding corporate families' fantasies.

    The idea was that if you took a IQ 65 breeding twentysomething female from the worst part of the Third World, and wormholed her and her spawn into the 21st century via forced immigration to the Far North (i.e., Europe or the US), by some magical osmotic process she would grow 40 points of IQ, and her children would all go to NYU or UC-Berkeley and major in Genius Studies.

    Then somehow this would improve (or outright render salvation to) the Third World. Never did understand that one...except that it betrayed a subconscious recognition that removing such people from any society improved it, and that the Third World would benefit from nothing short of miracles.

    One of my favorite examples of the madness was that that same household--imported still fecund female and seven spawn--in a four-bedroom suburban house in LA or NYC, living a First World lifestyle on the public teat, would have a smaller "ecological footprint" than two white people in a small apartment who didn't breed.

    Why? Because it is "more efficient" to have more people living in one dwelling, regardless of future tense or bigger picture. I argued the point on several occasions and was told to shut up, "IT JUST IS."

    Needless to say, the formulas behind those spreadsheets I concluded to have been conducted in chicken bones and goat blood. It sure as hell wasn't math.

    , @Bill B.
    @Andy

    In a provincial Canadian paper about a year ago there was a big feature about Somalis queuing for refugee visas to Canada from camps on the Somali border. To be fair the feature was relatively neutral but it was clear that most of these people were struggling with the ideas of the medieval world let alone the modern world.

    Bizarrely underneath the feature were comments along the lines of "Who is going to pay for your pension?", "These people are Canada's lifeline", etc..

  9. The video really shows how friendly, reasonable and civilized Palestinians are, and how racist Israel is for not acceding to their demands. Justice for Palestine!

  10. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Aren't the Haredi of Israel pretty fertile too? Perhaps Germany could roll out the red carpet for them instead... Could be an interesting welcome back to Europe?

    Our dear Krauts wouldn't need to worry about their nice schicksa ladies getting cucked by a people who reject intermarriage. However the Haredi religious extremism might prove even more difficult to integrate than that of the Syrian muslims.

    Replies: @Lot

    Secular hipster types having been moving from Israel to Berlin for the urban environment and low cost of living.

  11. Of course, as usual, I have no idea if the subtitles to the video are an accurate translation. If you speak Arabic, please let us know in the comments.

    Source is MEMRI TV. They have no interest in incorrect translations. The reason is obvious, that triumphalist Islamic preachers indict themselves and the rag tag Ummah they incite. Jewish chosenness is microscopic compared to what these clowns engage in.

    The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) was founded in 1998 in Washington, DC to bridge the language gap between the Middle East and the West by monitoring, translating, and studying Arab, Iranian and Turkish media, schoolbooks, and religious sermons. MEMRI is headquartered in Washington, D.C. and has branches in Baghdad, Tokyo and Jerusalem, and a staff of over 70 working around the globe. MEMRI’s research is translated into English, German, French, Italian, and Spanish with a subscriber list of over 75,000. MEMRI is a 501 (c)3 organization and is incorporated in Washington, D.C.

    • Replies: @Drapetomaniac
    @Clyde

    "triumphalist Islamic preachers indict themselves and the rag tag Ummah they incite"

    Sort of like how the exceptionalist Neocon jingoists indict themselves and the Nazi wannabe followers they incite?

  12. They’ve already attempted to start this breeding program, but given that they’re a) muslims and b)non-White, they’re not terribly bright so they began by by raping a 7 year old German girl.

  13. Numerous studies have found that immigrants bolster growth by increasing the labor force and consumer demand.

    The more mouths to feed regardless of how useless and disruptive theory of economics. Why didn’t they trot our the restaurant theory of economics as well? One day people will finally realize what a useless pseudo-science economics is.

  14. These guys sure talk an awful lot about their prophet.

    I’m beginning to think that Michel Houellebecq should join Tom Wolfe at our contemporary oracle.

  15. Come on Sailer you know that to know me :

  16. @The Z Blog
    The other night, Caitlyn Graham was making this argument. He said we had to fill up the country with fertile foreigners in order to keep the welfare state rolling. A gay man defending the welfare state and mass immigration and he's a right winger.

    But, it was an interesting look inside the bubble. The people in charge really do think they need a new people. It's not a joke by fringe weirdos and xenophobes. Even more interesting is that they place the welfare state at the top of their priority list. It's so important, they'll give up everything to defend it.

    Replies: @tbraton, @tbraton, @anon

    “The other night, Caitlyn Graham was making this argument. He said. . . .”

    Wait a minute. Are you saying Caitlyn is a male name? Well, what about the other much more famous Caitlyn? Are you suggesting he/she is a male, after all? I don’t know what to think at this point. What you are saying is that it was a man who actually won the gold medal in the decathlon back in the 1976 Olympics, and here I had almost reconciled myself to the fact that it was a woman who won the male competition in the 1976 decathlon and went on to father six children by a various number of women.

  17. Your love isn’t true Sailer .

  18. @The Z Blog
    The other night, Caitlyn Graham was making this argument. He said we had to fill up the country with fertile foreigners in order to keep the welfare state rolling. A gay man defending the welfare state and mass immigration and he's a right winger.

    But, it was an interesting look inside the bubble. The people in charge really do think they need a new people. It's not a joke by fringe weirdos and xenophobes. Even more interesting is that they place the welfare state at the top of their priority list. It's so important, they'll give up everything to defend it.

    Replies: @tbraton, @tbraton, @anon

    “He said we had to fill up the country with fertile foreigners in order to keep the welfare state rolling. A gay man defending the welfare state and mass immigration and he’s a right winger.

    But, it was an interesting look inside the bubble. The people in charge really do think they need a new people. It’s not a joke by fringe weirdos and xenophobes. Even more interesting is that they place the welfare state at the top of their priority list. It’s so important, they’ll give up everything to defend it.”

    Oh, a gay man thinks we need to bring in fertile foreigners to sustain the welfare state. Attention Monty Python, wherever you are, here’s some fresh material for a skit.

  19. Numerous studies have found that immigrants bolster growth by increasing the labor force and consumer demand.

    If this were really true, wouldn’t Germany and other countries receiving such immigrants actually be doing an economic disservice to countries from which they emigrated? If Syrian immigration really is Germany’s gain, why is it not Syria’s loss–with the attendant bleeding hearts mourning Syria’s (now even more) diminished economic potential?

  20. @Paavo
    There are more asylum seekers coming across the border from Sweden to Finland every day than are babies born in Finland per day. Double or triple the amount. Even if they were infertile, asylum seekers would constitute majority of some generations if they keep coming at the current pace.

    Even if they all were Einsteins they would not find a job.

    Replies: @wolfy

    are there any links.

    • Replies: @Paavo
    @wolfy

    http://yle.fi/uutiset/more_migrants_on_friday_than_in_nearly_a_century/8317074

  21. You know Sailer I think :

  22. @Percy Gryce
    We know that genetic differences between peoples don't exist for these people at the Times, but even culture and religion are null sets? They really seem to believe that people are just pegs that you can plug interchangeably into an economic pegboard.

    One more example of how dehumanizing leftism is.

    Replies: @asdf, @Drapetomaniac

    “They really seem to believe that people are just pegs that you can plug interchangeably into an economic pegboard.”…

    Exactly. Seems obvious to me. I would note that if these guys are all so vital, it’s strange all their countries are dumps everyone wants to leave.

    It’s either complete cynicism, or blind brainwashing. Or both.

  23. anon • Disclaimer says:

    They’ve been pushing these lies for 20 years and if mass immigration was good for the economy where is it? The western economy is collapsing – and the emerging markets collapsing with it – and one of the three main reasons is mass immigration.

    .

    The simplest counter-argument is…

    if you don’t build all the extra housing needed *in advance* then mass immigration will put
    – downward pressure on wages
    – upward pressure on housing costs.

    If a person’s spending is made up of
    – necessities
    – discretionary spending
    – savings
    then if you put downward pressure on wages and upward pressure on housing costs the amount spent on necessities will increase and the amount available for discretionary spending goes down.

    And that part of the economy which used to be supported by that discretionary spending goes down with it – starting a deflationary spiral – which is what we’re in.

    Whatever you think of her Elizabeth Warren explains most of the process very well here.

    She’s a liberal so she can’t see the obvious link with mass immigration but the rest of the argument is there.

    .

    And of course increasing housing costs will reduce native birth rates.

  24. Perhaps members of the NYT EB should simply visit Europe — to see how things are going for similar migrants who arrived over the previous decades — or re Germany, they could hire a German speaker to read and summarize (zusammenfassen) Sarrazin’s book — then they would have a better idea if such people are a “boon” or not.

    “Die Geschichte vom gut ausgebildeten Flüchtling stimmt nicht“

    The economics minister of Bavaria says it isn’t true that the Flüchtlinge are gut ausgebildet — well educated.

    Mehr als ein Drittel der Asylsuchenden hätten gar keine oder nur eine Grundschulbildung.

    More than 1/3 have not even gone past elementary school in their own countries — ie their boonishness ist nicht gerade grenzenlos.

    • Replies: @fnn
    @eah


    The economics minister of Bavaria says it isn’t true that the Flüchtlinge are gut ausgebildet — well educated.

    Mehr als ein Drittel der Asylsuchenden hätten gar keine oder nur eine Grundschulbildung.

    More than 1/3 have not even gone past elementary school in their own countries — ie their boonishness ist nicht gerade grenzenlos.
     

    Incredibly, Germans haven't fully internalized PC. I don't think any US or UK official would publicly say such a thing.

    Similarly:


    Caffier’s statement echoes the experience of Rainer Wendt, head of the German Police Union: “Almost without exception, every refugee pretends to be a Syrian when in fact, many come from other countries, even from sub-Saharan Africa,” he said.

    “All present themselves as Syrians,” said a police officer stationed in Bavaria to Spiegel Online, “even if they are obviously black Africans.”
     

    You're not supposed to notice.
  25. You can’t pass this by :

    Sha la la la la de da sha la de da !

  26. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @The Z Blog
    The other night, Caitlyn Graham was making this argument. He said we had to fill up the country with fertile foreigners in order to keep the welfare state rolling. A gay man defending the welfare state and mass immigration and he's a right winger.

    But, it was an interesting look inside the bubble. The people in charge really do think they need a new people. It's not a joke by fringe weirdos and xenophobes. Even more interesting is that they place the welfare state at the top of their priority list. It's so important, they'll give up everything to defend it.

    Replies: @tbraton, @tbraton, @anon

    The people in charge really do think they need a new people.

    Nah, it’s hostile manipulative propaganda. If they believed it was a matter of birth rates they could have been promoting higher native birth rates for the last 50 years instead but not once – not a single time in 50 years.

    There’s an outer ring of people who believe it because the propaganda is wall to wall in the MSM with no counter arguments allowed but the people in charge clearly don’t believe it cos otherwise they’d promote pro-natal policies (like Putin and Israel).

  27. The comments on that NYT piece are incredibly heartening. Solid middle class liberals are seeing the naked agitprop in action and becoming disgusted.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @gruff

    "The comments on that NYT piece are incredibly heartening. Solid middle class liberals are seeing the naked agitprop in action and becoming disgusted."

    You're right - the comments are heartening. Here's a good one (by MFF in Frankfurt, Germany): "I am in a kind of stupefied awe at the gall of thus editorial - of, indeed, the NYT's entire slant regarding the refugees/migrants crisis from Syria. This newspaper's omnipotent fingerpointing at Europe is incredible and unbelievable. I am a longtime NYT subscriber, I consider myself as close to a bleeding-heart liberal as one can be and yet the what can only be termed a demagoguic moralizing from the NYT Editorial Board and most of its journalists is outstanding."

    I've been very surprised by the tone of the NYT articles, as well. The NYT writers seem to think they can dictate immigration policy to the various European countries and EU. It's quite astounding.

    Replies: @ren

  28. Numerous studies have found that immigrants bolster growth by increasing the labor force and consumer demand.

    Only if they have disposable income and are competent workers. Neither applies to Muslims, they are there to mooch like a mass of human Remoras that happen to love death and violence the way we like barbecues.

    But I have a suggestion, every editor and writer for the NYT should host several Syrians in their homes. A spare bedroom is good for at least 4 to 6 young Syrian men.

    This goes for the Jewish luminaries of the paper as well.

    It would get very interesting and then the paper would notice lots of it’s employees populating the obituary column

    A win win for all.

  29. Look he served his country !!!

  30. @Percy Gryce
    We know that genetic differences between peoples don't exist for these people at the Times, but even culture and religion are null sets? They really seem to believe that people are just pegs that you can plug interchangeably into an economic pegboard.

    One more example of how dehumanizing leftism is.

    Replies: @asdf, @Drapetomaniac

    “One more example of how dehumanizing leftism is.”

    Not just leftism, all forms of government treat their subjects as objects to be manipulated, controlled, or used to the benefit of said governments.

    Government is just a savage vestige of nature that dominates man’s world.

    A nature red in tooth and claw.

  31. Jeff Bezos and his WaPo team could have some fun at the expense of Carlos Slim and the NYT prevarication machine.

    Where is the Columbia Journalism hit team on the issue? Aren’t they the high end thinkers on such matters?

    It would seem to be only a matter of time before the NYT facade cracks. Prepare your letters to the editor(s).

  32. @Clyde

    Of course, as usual, I have no idea if the subtitles to the video are an accurate translation. If you speak Arabic, please let us know in the comments.
     
    Source is MEMRI TV. They have no interest in incorrect translations. The reason is obvious, that triumphalist Islamic preachers indict themselves and the rag tag Ummah they incite. Jewish chosenness is microscopic compared to what these clowns engage in.

    The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) was founded in 1998 in Washington, DC to bridge the language gap between the Middle East and the West by monitoring, translating, and studying Arab, Iranian and Turkish media, schoolbooks, and religious sermons. MEMRI is headquartered in Washington, D.C. and has branches in Baghdad, Tokyo and Jerusalem, and a staff of over 70 working around the globe. MEMRI's research is translated into English, German, French, Italian, and Spanish with a subscriber list of over 75,000. MEMRI is a 501 (c)3 organization and is incorporated in Washington, D.C.
     

    Replies: @Drapetomaniac

    “triumphalist Islamic preachers indict themselves and the rag tag Ummah they incite”

    Sort of like how the exceptionalist Neocon jingoists indict themselves and the Nazi wannabe followers they incite?

  33. Ok just three more .

  34. This is b.s. for the usual reasons, but, in addition: Germany is one of the world’s leading exporters. It’s economy isn’t as dependent on domestic consumer demand as ours is. Muslims consumers don’t have to live in Germany to consume BMWs or Leicas.

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    @Dave Pinsen

    Unlike Jews, who along with Japanese are camera fetishists, I don't think Muslims are into photography much. Nor high end audio, which the Germans were never a big part of except for Thorens turntables. (They did quite well in the recording and broadcast audio fields with Neumann, EMT and Telefunken, though.)

  35. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website

    Where is the Columbia Journalism hit team on the issue? Aren’t they the high end thinkers on such matters?

    There is NO such profession as “journalism”. Never existed. It is nothing more than glorified degree in English (or German, of French, or Russian…etc.) which implies NO professional opinion on anything. But, again, how many read Arkady Averchenko? We have people with degrees in humanities writing about….ballistic missiles and combat information control systems. Late Tom Clancy, anyone? I tried to express my opinion on lobotomy on one of the brain surgeons’ forums–got laughed out of it. Yet, I read majors’ in literature opinions on Operational Theory and the use of guided missiles all the time. Nobody rings the alarm. I guess it is OK then, right?

  36. “Other people are our future!”—Ed West.

  37. iSteveFan says:

    Numerous studies have found that immigrants bolster growth by increasing the labor force and consumer demand. …

    If immigrants bolster growth by increasing the labor force and consumer demand, then isn’t the converse also true? Do emigrants harm growth by decreasing the labor force and consumer demand?

    If so why are countries like Mexico allowing so many laborers and consumers to leave?

    • Replies: @tbraton
    @iSteveFan

    "If immigrants bolster growth by increasing the labor force and consumer demand, then isn’t the converse also true? Do emigrants harm growth by decreasing the labor force and consumer demand?"

    Just imagine the positive benefits the return of all the Mexican illegals will have on the Mexican economy. Plus there is no downside since they won't have to master a foreign language and they are familiar with the customs and mores of their home country. I think the return of illegals to Mexico could be considered an "act of love."

  38. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @gruff
    The comments on that NYT piece are incredibly heartening. Solid middle class liberals are seeing the naked agitprop in action and becoming disgusted.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    “The comments on that NYT piece are incredibly heartening. Solid middle class liberals are seeing the naked agitprop in action and becoming disgusted.”

    You’re right – the comments are heartening. Here’s a good one (by MFF in Frankfurt, Germany): “I am in a kind of stupefied awe at the gall of thus editorial – of, indeed, the NYT’s entire slant regarding the refugees/migrants crisis from Syria. This newspaper’s omnipotent fingerpointing at Europe is incredible and unbelievable. I am a longtime NYT subscriber, I consider myself as close to a bleeding-heart liberal as one can be and yet the what can only be termed a demagoguic moralizing from the NYT Editorial Board and most of its journalists is outstanding.”

    I’ve been very surprised by the tone of the NYT articles, as well. The NYT writers seem to think they can dictate immigration policy to the various European countries and EU. It’s quite astounding.

    • Replies: @ren
    @Anonymous




    I’ve been very surprised by the tone of the NYT articles, as well. The NYT writers seem to think they can dictate immigration policy to the various European countries and EU. It’s quite astounding.
     
    Well the NY Times dictated gay marriage, which is laughably stupid and the sheeple fell for it. So, now they think there is no limit to the power of their megaphone. They think they can just create their own public opinion reality.
  39. I’ll teach you the meaning of the word respect :

    • Replies: @Joe Sweet
    @donut

    Have you heard this one?. It's called "Dial it back, Donut" by the Binjers.

  40. growth uber alles!

  41. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website

    T

    he NYT writers seem to think they can dictate immigration policy to the various European countries and EU. It’s quite astounding.

    They are also great “experts” in international relations, Sanskrit, Stochastic Models Of Warfare, History Of Religions, Strategy, Maneuvering Boards, Guided Missiles, Geopolitics and Appendectomy. I am sure, in NYC, they also discuss issues of Schrodinger’s Equation and how it applies to the interest rates of Fed. Because they write for a sewer like NYT, I am sure, they are also omnipotent and, in general, are Kwizatz Haderahks, despite being ignorant hacks and morons.

  42. @Dave Pinsen
    This is b.s. for the usual reasons, but, in addition: Germany is one of the world's leading exporters. It's economy isn't as dependent on domestic consumer demand as ours is. Muslims consumers don't have to live in Germany to consume BMWs or Leicas.

    Replies: @Former Darfur

    Unlike Jews, who along with Japanese are camera fetishists, I don’t think Muslims are into photography much. Nor high end audio, which the Germans were never a big part of except for Thorens turntables. (They did quite well in the recording and broadcast audio fields with Neumann, EMT and Telefunken, though.)

  43. @AEOLIUS
    Perhaps the NYTimes editorial board has turned its back on more natural ways of increasing population? Leaving accepting immigrants as the only solution.

    Replies: @Frank Brown

    In that case, the NYTimes editorial board should reconsider its position on gay marriage in light of decreasing population.

    The NYTimes editorial board has been weaponized against us and our cultures. Make no mistake about that.

  44. Man , you’re not gonna put DAC up there ?

  45. Israeli fence is irrelevant. Maybe Israel needs Eritreans and Chinese to balance out the Arabs and religious Jews.

    Israel’s core is crumbling – and it’s more important than the Iran deal
    More ultra-Orthodox, Arabs and religious Jews and fewer secular Jews: the impact of demographic changes on Israeli society will only get stronger.

    http://www.haaretz.com/business/.premium-1.676197

  46. @iSteveFan

    Numerous studies have found that immigrants bolster growth by increasing the labor force and consumer demand. …
     
    If immigrants bolster growth by increasing the labor force and consumer demand, then isn't the converse also true? Do emigrants harm growth by decreasing the labor force and consumer demand?

    If so why are countries like Mexico allowing so many laborers and consumers to leave?

    Replies: @tbraton

    “If immigrants bolster growth by increasing the labor force and consumer demand, then isn’t the converse also true? Do emigrants harm growth by decreasing the labor force and consumer demand?”

    Just imagine the positive benefits the return of all the Mexican illegals will have on the Mexican economy. Plus there is no downside since they won’t have to master a foreign language and they are familiar with the customs and mores of their home country. I think the return of illegals to Mexico could be considered an “act of love.”

  47. @Andy
    Following this reasoning, Germany should transplant all the population of Niger (world's highest fertility rate of 7 children per woman)

    Replies: @Olorin, @Bill B.

    Hate to remember it, never mind say it. But I’ve heard suggestions like your tongue-in-cheek one offered entirely seriously.

    This was in expensive rooms where global foundations’ program directors meet to discuss how to spend their millions re-engineering the human race according to their funding corporate families’ fantasies.

    The idea was that if you took a IQ 65 breeding twentysomething female from the worst part of the Third World, and wormholed her and her spawn into the 21st century via forced immigration to the Far North (i.e., Europe or the US), by some magical osmotic process she would grow 40 points of IQ, and her children would all go to NYU or UC-Berkeley and major in Genius Studies.

    Then somehow this would improve (or outright render salvation to) the Third World. Never did understand that one…except that it betrayed a subconscious recognition that removing such people from any society improved it, and that the Third World would benefit from nothing short of miracles.

    One of my favorite examples of the madness was that that same household–imported still fecund female and seven spawn–in a four-bedroom suburban house in LA or NYC, living a First World lifestyle on the public teat, would have a smaller “ecological footprint” than two white people in a small apartment who didn’t breed.

    Why? Because it is “more efficient” to have more people living in one dwelling, regardless of future tense or bigger picture. I argued the point on several occasions and was told to shut up, “IT JUST IS.”

    Needless to say, the formulas behind those spreadsheets I concluded to have been conducted in chicken bones and goat blood. It sure as hell wasn’t math.

  48. @Andy
    Following this reasoning, Germany should transplant all the population of Niger (world's highest fertility rate of 7 children per woman)

    Replies: @Olorin, @Bill B.

    In a provincial Canadian paper about a year ago there was a big feature about Somalis queuing for refugee visas to Canada from camps on the Somali border. To be fair the feature was relatively neutral but it was clear that most of these people were struggling with the ideas of the medieval world let alone the modern world.

    Bizarrely underneath the feature were comments along the lines of “Who is going to pay for your pension?”, “These people are Canada’s lifeline”, etc..

  49. The other night, Caitlyn Graham was making this argument. He said we had to fill up the country with fertile foreigners in order to keep the welfare state rolling. A gay man defending the welfare state and mass immigration who laughably pretends to be a right winger.

    FIFY.

    Even more interesting is that they place the welfare state at the top of their priority list. It’s so important, they’ll give up everything to defend it.

    It’s an absolutely essential pillar of their platform. When you’re busily destroying the country you’re running, you need to keep a safety net to prevent people from hitting rock bottom and having nothing left to lose. Big gov’t gets credit for “saving” everyone, to boot.

    The video really shows how friendly, reasonable and civilized Palestinians are, and how racist Israel is for not acceding to their demands. Justice for Palestine!

    Yes, black pathology and crime was definitely a perfectly valid excuse for Jews not to push the “civil rights” movement.

    Secular hipster types having been moving from Israel to Berlin for the urban environment and low cost of living.

    Kinda adds another layer of context to the whole “never again” schtick.

    Source is MEMRI TV. They have no interest in incorrect translations.

    MEMRI’s pedigree is Israeli Deep State:

    MEMRI @ Wikipedia

    The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) is a not for profit press monitoring and analysis organization with headquarters in Washington, D.C. MEMRI publishes and distributes free English language translations of Arabic, Persian, Urdu, Pashto, and Turkish media reports.[1] The institute was co-founded in 1998 by Yigal Carmon, a former Israeli military intelligence officer and Meyrav Wurmser, an Israeli-born American political scientist.

    The article is very informative.

    http://www.google.com/search?q=MEMRI+mossad

    Mossad motto:

    “By way of deception, thou shalt do war”

  50. @eah
    Perhaps members of the NYT EB should simply visit Europe -- to see how things are going for similar migrants who arrived over the previous decades -- or re Germany, they could hire a German speaker to read and summarize (zusammenfassen) Sarrazin's book -- then they would have a better idea if such people are a "boon" or not.

    "Die Geschichte vom gut ausgebildeten Flüchtling stimmt nicht“

    The economics minister of Bavaria says it isn't true that the Flüchtlinge are gut ausgebildet -- well educated.

    Mehr als ein Drittel der Asylsuchenden hätten gar keine oder nur eine Grundschulbildung.

    More than 1/3 have not even gone past elementary school in their own countries -- ie their boonishness ist nicht gerade grenzenlos.

    Replies: @fnn

    The economics minister of Bavaria says it isn’t true that the Flüchtlinge are gut ausgebildet — well educated.

    Mehr als ein Drittel der Asylsuchenden hätten gar keine oder nur eine Grundschulbildung.

    More than 1/3 have not even gone past elementary school in their own countries — ie their boonishness ist nicht gerade grenzenlos.

    Incredibly, Germans haven’t fully internalized PC. I don’t think any US or UK official would publicly say such a thing.

    Similarly:

    Caffier’s statement echoes the experience of Rainer Wendt, head of the German Police Union: “Almost without exception, every refugee pretends to be a Syrian when in fact, many come from other countries, even from sub-Saharan Africa,” he said.

    “All present themselves as Syrians,” said a police officer stationed in Bavaria to Spiegel Online, “even if they are obviously black Africans.”

    You’re not supposed to notice.

  51. @Priss Factor
    "But there is good reason to believe that these immigrants will contribute more to Europe economically than they will take from it."

    If these non-whites are so wonderful, why did they mess up their own nations? True, Syrians are suffering cuz of Western intervention, but even before the recent crisis, the Middle East and esp Africa haven't been centers of economic growth.
    I suppose there will be more cheaper labor, but isn't EU suffering from high unemployment? Why not hire and use European workers without jobs?

    Still, for the sake of argument, let's say all these immigrants will be an economic boon.
    But a nation isn't just about economics. Imperialism was an economic boon to non-white regions, but non-whites wanted to rule their own nations. They wanted their own kind to dominate. So, they kicked the imperialists and colonizers out. That's what a nation is.
    Maybe 5 million Asian Indians or Chinese will do wonders for the Israel economy, but Israel would no longer be Israel.
    Chinese entry into Tibet has led to economic growth, but Tibet is looking less like Tibet.

    Only a radical materialist would say a nation/culture is all about economics. A true nation is about ethnicity, identity, heritage, history. And surely, NYT knows this because they never call for open borders for Israel.

    Furthermore, if economism is all that NYT cares about, why does it play on identity politics in the US? After all, generally speaking, blacks who were brought over to the US to be slaves ended up better than Africans back home. So, from a purely economic viewpoint, blacks in America should be thanking white folks. I mean who cares about identity, history, culture, and heritage?

    Black gripe has been that they were torn from their own ancestral lands and used merely as economic units when people need more than work and livelihood. (Granted, blacks captured and sold blacks, but I see the point.)
    Also, if we use the NYT logic, American Indians have no reason to gripe since the arrival of white man greatly improved their lives. They no longer need to freeze their butts and hunt in winter. They can just go to a shopping mall and get all the food they want. They can even make money by running casinos and take money from pale face.
    So, Indians have no reason to gripe since white conquest of America led to a economic boon to their communities.
    If economics is all that matters, why we do we hear gripes about how the native cultures/identities and African cultures/identities were disrupted, suppressed, destroyed, and etc? I mean who cares about such 'atavistic' stuff? Economics should be the only thing that matters.

    The conscientious Right can make a case that a great civilization was created in the US with the coming of the white man while also acknowledging the tragedy of the natives who lost their lands and cultures. Culture and identity do matter. Eventually, Indians did end up better economically(much better), but they did lose something sacred to them. And it is not wrong for Indians to try to recover their identity and traditions and preserve them. And despite the economic benefits of the white-ruled America, Indians are right to see the loss of their native land as a tragedy.

    But NYT sees nothing tragic about native European peoples being displaced by waves and waves of non-Europeans. It just goes on and on about economics.
    This is rather funny since many Libs and Leftists at the NYT sympathized with Castro on the basis that even though Cuba was richer under Batista, it had more dignity and independence under Castro the nationalist.
    But now, NYT is into global-Batista-ism where Europe is concerned. It says Europe should become a banana republic of the globalist super-rich and not resist the masses of poor arriving from the Third World while the native populations are browbeaten and demoralized. Did Hyman Roth survive and take over NYT? Do national governments exist to serve their own people or to serve the Roths of the world?

    But the truly rotten thing is NYT is wrong on two counts. It is wrong to say identity/culture doesn't matter(at least in white nations) and it is also wrong about this 'boon' thing. Yeah, it will be a 'boon' in the way that massive immigration has been a boon for California which has both the extremes of the very rich and masses of the very poor.

    At any rate, a nation is more than economics. It is race, culture, and heritage. A nation that forgets that is no longer a nation. When the elites of a nation betray their own people and serve as comparador elites to the Hyman Roths of the world, it is finished. It will become Batista-ized.

    If Germany really needs extra workers, it should carry out the labor policy legally. Make sure that workers arrive in Germany, work for a certain time, and go back home. Make sure foreign workers follow the contract. But the international law being what it is, this is nearly impossible.

    Btw, why isn't there any editorial that white people should have more kids and that PC/feminism/materialist culture have been a huge failure? Surely, a people who can't even produce enough kids to survive as a nation have embraced the wrong values and ideology, wrong priorities. But then, that would lead the discussion to the failure of modern soulless Liberalism. And NYT doesn't wanna go there as it wants modern white people to be addicted to the opium of decadence-as-the-new-decency.

    PS. In the US, it sort of made sense to bring in more immigrants because Mexicans, for example, make better low-wage workers than blacks who are just awful and ghastly.
    But Europe didn't have a black problem. It didn't need a buffer race between themselves and blacks. Instead, Europeans seem to be importing the problem of diversity in an almost gratuitously stupid way.

    Replies: @Lepanto, @jawohl

    The speaker in the video is white…Caucasian, if you are into that sort of thing.

  52. I’ve been reading a lot of well-reasoned, informed speculation about immigration in the EU and in the US, but I can’t help but wonder if the true motive force is unreasoned. White guys labored for centuries and created a stable (no surprises) paradise for humans. And now our real wish can come true. White women, now in power, dream of the tall dark invader who will penetrate their boring lives, and neglected white men dream of beautiful maidens from Asia and South America who will come to embrace our lifestyle.

    In Dune, Frank Herbert writes that the deepest genetic drive of humanity is to mingle bloodlines without plan, to create new and possibly superior strains, without restraint, without looking at consequences. According to genetic testing firm 23andme, white people in America are really white, 98% European on average. And we’re trying to end it.

    Sorry about the science-fictional speculating, but I’m at my wit’s end trying to figure this out.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anon7

    The psychology behind this particular meme poison is lust/hate for those tall northerners.

    I suspect "Amazon" pron has the same source.

    , @Bert
    @Anon7


    White women, now in power, dream of the tall dark invader who will penetrate their boring lives, and neglected white men dream of beautiful maidens from Asia and South America who will come to embrace our lifestyle.
     
    I'm constantly reminded of how so many of Steve's readers are sexless nerds.
  53. @donut
    I'll teach you the meaning of the word respect :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbQgaHZOFZ0

    Replies: @Joe Sweet

    Have you heard this one?. It’s called “Dial it back, Donut” by the Binjers.

  54. Moslems deeply believe they are destined and have the right to rule others, especially Jews. This is why Israel drives them insane. A seemingly normal Muslim, when discussing Israel or Jews at any time will turn rabid – spitting and crazy- because Israel runs so counter to all they have been taught. But whenever a Muslim sees any sign that their cause is advancing against anyone, especially the powerful Christians, they lose all humility, and immediately revert to promising that the future will be a Moslem boot on a Christian face, forever.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @Cwhatfuture

    Israelis grate on their neighbors in yet another way.
    Their country is significantly more developed than those of their Arab borderers.
    It must be galling for some goatherder to look across at the evidence of civilizing influences and not ask if being stuck in the late Medieval era, with some glass and air conditioning, is destiny.

  55. Time for some lighter fare 😀

    In the fifties and sixties, when Germany was poor (the standard of living in the U.S. is still higher today, but back then the gap was much wider), German housewives had to skimp and save at every turn. One of the staples of lower-middle-class cooking was a cheap product called “Pfanni”, essentially dehydrated mashed potatoes that make for a simple and quickly prepared side order. Add some gravy, Brussels sprouts, and a pork roast, and you have a Sunday dinner.

    Fast forward to today, when even discount supermarket chains like Aldi feature exotic and gourmet foods, and poor old Pfanni has fallen by the wayside, like an elderly teddy bear.

    There was this contest a few years ago, in which film students were invited to present a one-minute commercial for “rebranding”, i.e., rejuvenating a tired old brand.

    One team had the brilliant idea to hire a B-list Turkish-German rapper named Volkan plus a bunch of extras, then feature Volkan in a video clip as “Pfanni Employee of the Month”. Predictably, German nativists went ballistic. They fired off tearful, angry letters to the Pfanni company. “How could you do this to us,” “You are mocking us?! Come the revolution, you will be, etc. etc.” The Pfanni company, shocked, declared that it had no knowledge of the video and tried to get it banned (unsuccessfully).

    The lyrics are mercifully brief. Just one more point, the two most frequently used insults hurled by Muslim Germans at indigenous Germans are “pork eater” and … “potato”. Translation:

    I crush you, you potato.

    The time is ripe
    Not gon’ wait any longa.
    Victim, understan’: gon’ uproot you
    Ima slap you, smash you, crush you
    Don’ mess around, ‘s time for action.

    100 percent, German potato
    100 percent, gon’ hurt you now.
    100 percent, German potato
    100 percent, potato puree.

    (whoops cannot get embedding to work so you will have to click on the link)

  56. @Anon7
    I've been reading a lot of well-reasoned, informed speculation about immigration in the EU and in the US, but I can't help but wonder if the true motive force is unreasoned. White guys labored for centuries and created a stable (no surprises) paradise for humans. And now our real wish can come true. White women, now in power, dream of the tall dark invader who will penetrate their boring lives, and neglected white men dream of beautiful maidens from Asia and South America who will come to embrace our lifestyle.

    In Dune, Frank Herbert writes that the deepest genetic drive of humanity is to mingle bloodlines without plan, to create new and possibly superior strains, without restraint, without looking at consequences. According to genetic testing firm 23andme, white people in America are really white, 98% European on average. And we're trying to end it.

    Sorry about the science-fictional speculating, but I'm at my wit's end trying to figure this out.

    Replies: @anon, @Bert

    The psychology behind this particular meme poison is lust/hate for those tall northerners.

    I suspect “Amazon” pron has the same source.

  57. @Cwhatfuture
    Moslems deeply believe they are destined and have the right to rule others, especially Jews. This is why Israel drives them insane. A seemingly normal Muslim, when discussing Israel or Jews at any time will turn rabid - spitting and crazy- because Israel runs so counter to all they have been taught. But whenever a Muslim sees any sign that their cause is advancing against anyone, especially the powerful Christians, they lose all humility, and immediately revert to promising that the future will be a Moslem boot on a Christian face, forever.

    Replies: @Ivy

    Israelis grate on their neighbors in yet another way.
    Their country is significantly more developed than those of their Arab borderers.
    It must be galling for some goatherder to look across at the evidence of civilizing influences and not ask if being stuck in the late Medieval era, with some glass and air conditioning, is destiny.

  58. @Anonymous
    @gruff

    "The comments on that NYT piece are incredibly heartening. Solid middle class liberals are seeing the naked agitprop in action and becoming disgusted."

    You're right - the comments are heartening. Here's a good one (by MFF in Frankfurt, Germany): "I am in a kind of stupefied awe at the gall of thus editorial - of, indeed, the NYT's entire slant regarding the refugees/migrants crisis from Syria. This newspaper's omnipotent fingerpointing at Europe is incredible and unbelievable. I am a longtime NYT subscriber, I consider myself as close to a bleeding-heart liberal as one can be and yet the what can only be termed a demagoguic moralizing from the NYT Editorial Board and most of its journalists is outstanding."

    I've been very surprised by the tone of the NYT articles, as well. The NYT writers seem to think they can dictate immigration policy to the various European countries and EU. It's quite astounding.

    Replies: @ren

    I’ve been very surprised by the tone of the NYT articles, as well. The NYT writers seem to think they can dictate immigration policy to the various European countries and EU. It’s quite astounding.

    Well the NY Times dictated gay marriage, which is laughably stupid and the sheeple fell for it. So, now they think there is no limit to the power of their megaphone. They think they can just create their own public opinion reality.

  59. Moslems deeply believe they are destined and have the right to rule others, especially Jews. This is why Israel drives them insane. A seemingly normal Muslim, when discussing Israel or Jews at any time will turn rabid – spitting and crazy- because Israel runs so counter to all they have been taught. But whenever a Muslim sees any sign that their cause is advancing against anyone, especially the powerful Christians, they lose all humility, and immediately revert to promising that the future will be a Moslem boot on a Christian face, forever.

    The old saying is that the Arab is ever at your feet or at your throat. Seems true of people with MENA ancestry in general, to me. Dunno if it’s really a Muslim thing.

  60. @Anon7
    I've been reading a lot of well-reasoned, informed speculation about immigration in the EU and in the US, but I can't help but wonder if the true motive force is unreasoned. White guys labored for centuries and created a stable (no surprises) paradise for humans. And now our real wish can come true. White women, now in power, dream of the tall dark invader who will penetrate their boring lives, and neglected white men dream of beautiful maidens from Asia and South America who will come to embrace our lifestyle.

    In Dune, Frank Herbert writes that the deepest genetic drive of humanity is to mingle bloodlines without plan, to create new and possibly superior strains, without restraint, without looking at consequences. According to genetic testing firm 23andme, white people in America are really white, 98% European on average. And we're trying to end it.

    Sorry about the science-fictional speculating, but I'm at my wit's end trying to figure this out.

    Replies: @anon, @Bert

    White women, now in power, dream of the tall dark invader who will penetrate their boring lives, and neglected white men dream of beautiful maidens from Asia and South America who will come to embrace our lifestyle.

    I’m constantly reminded of how so many of Steve’s readers are sexless nerds.

  61. @Priss Factor
    "But there is good reason to believe that these immigrants will contribute more to Europe economically than they will take from it."

    If these non-whites are so wonderful, why did they mess up their own nations? True, Syrians are suffering cuz of Western intervention, but even before the recent crisis, the Middle East and esp Africa haven't been centers of economic growth.
    I suppose there will be more cheaper labor, but isn't EU suffering from high unemployment? Why not hire and use European workers without jobs?

    Still, for the sake of argument, let's say all these immigrants will be an economic boon.
    But a nation isn't just about economics. Imperialism was an economic boon to non-white regions, but non-whites wanted to rule their own nations. They wanted their own kind to dominate. So, they kicked the imperialists and colonizers out. That's what a nation is.
    Maybe 5 million Asian Indians or Chinese will do wonders for the Israel economy, but Israel would no longer be Israel.
    Chinese entry into Tibet has led to economic growth, but Tibet is looking less like Tibet.

    Only a radical materialist would say a nation/culture is all about economics. A true nation is about ethnicity, identity, heritage, history. And surely, NYT knows this because they never call for open borders for Israel.

    Furthermore, if economism is all that NYT cares about, why does it play on identity politics in the US? After all, generally speaking, blacks who were brought over to the US to be slaves ended up better than Africans back home. So, from a purely economic viewpoint, blacks in America should be thanking white folks. I mean who cares about identity, history, culture, and heritage?

    Black gripe has been that they were torn from their own ancestral lands and used merely as economic units when people need more than work and livelihood. (Granted, blacks captured and sold blacks, but I see the point.)
    Also, if we use the NYT logic, American Indians have no reason to gripe since the arrival of white man greatly improved their lives. They no longer need to freeze their butts and hunt in winter. They can just go to a shopping mall and get all the food they want. They can even make money by running casinos and take money from pale face.
    So, Indians have no reason to gripe since white conquest of America led to a economic boon to their communities.
    If economics is all that matters, why we do we hear gripes about how the native cultures/identities and African cultures/identities were disrupted, suppressed, destroyed, and etc? I mean who cares about such 'atavistic' stuff? Economics should be the only thing that matters.

    The conscientious Right can make a case that a great civilization was created in the US with the coming of the white man while also acknowledging the tragedy of the natives who lost their lands and cultures. Culture and identity do matter. Eventually, Indians did end up better economically(much better), but they did lose something sacred to them. And it is not wrong for Indians to try to recover their identity and traditions and preserve them. And despite the economic benefits of the white-ruled America, Indians are right to see the loss of their native land as a tragedy.

    But NYT sees nothing tragic about native European peoples being displaced by waves and waves of non-Europeans. It just goes on and on about economics.
    This is rather funny since many Libs and Leftists at the NYT sympathized with Castro on the basis that even though Cuba was richer under Batista, it had more dignity and independence under Castro the nationalist.
    But now, NYT is into global-Batista-ism where Europe is concerned. It says Europe should become a banana republic of the globalist super-rich and not resist the masses of poor arriving from the Third World while the native populations are browbeaten and demoralized. Did Hyman Roth survive and take over NYT? Do national governments exist to serve their own people or to serve the Roths of the world?

    But the truly rotten thing is NYT is wrong on two counts. It is wrong to say identity/culture doesn't matter(at least in white nations) and it is also wrong about this 'boon' thing. Yeah, it will be a 'boon' in the way that massive immigration has been a boon for California which has both the extremes of the very rich and masses of the very poor.

    At any rate, a nation is more than economics. It is race, culture, and heritage. A nation that forgets that is no longer a nation. When the elites of a nation betray their own people and serve as comparador elites to the Hyman Roths of the world, it is finished. It will become Batista-ized.

    If Germany really needs extra workers, it should carry out the labor policy legally. Make sure that workers arrive in Germany, work for a certain time, and go back home. Make sure foreign workers follow the contract. But the international law being what it is, this is nearly impossible.

    Btw, why isn't there any editorial that white people should have more kids and that PC/feminism/materialist culture have been a huge failure? Surely, a people who can't even produce enough kids to survive as a nation have embraced the wrong values and ideology, wrong priorities. But then, that would lead the discussion to the failure of modern soulless Liberalism. And NYT doesn't wanna go there as it wants modern white people to be addicted to the opium of decadence-as-the-new-decency.

    PS. In the US, it sort of made sense to bring in more immigrants because Mexicans, for example, make better low-wage workers than blacks who are just awful and ghastly.
    But Europe didn't have a black problem. It didn't need a buffer race between themselves and blacks. Instead, Europeans seem to be importing the problem of diversity in an almost gratuitously stupid way.

    Replies: @Lepanto, @jawohl

    Your comments kick ass.

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