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From Slate, a transcription of an internal meeting at the New York Times between top editor Dean Baquet and disgruntled New York Times staffers complaining that the New York Times doesn’t call Trump racist often enough.

Dean Baquet: If we’re really going to be a transparent newsroom that debates these issues among ourselves and not on Twitter, I figured I should talk to the whole newsroom, and hear from the whole newsroom. We had a couple of significant missteps, and I know you’re concerned about them, and I am, too.

But there’s something larger at play here. This is a really hard story, newsrooms haven’t confronted one like this since the 1960s. It got trickier after [inaudible] … went from being a story about whether the Trump campaign had colluded with Russia and obstruction of justice to being a more head-on story about the president’s character.

In other words, the New York Times went all in on RussiaGate and that exploded in their faces, so now they’ve had to shift their Main Narrative to denouncing Trump as racist:

We built our newsroom to cover one story, and we did it truly well. Now we have to regroup, and shift resources and emphasis to take on a different story. I’d love your help with that.

As Audra Burch said when I talked to her this weekend, this one is a story about what it means to be an American in 2019. It is a story that requires deep investigation into people who peddle hatred

Not us of course, we only peddle hatred of those who deserve to be hated, not like those hateful people we all hate.

, but it is also a story that requires imaginative use of all our muscles to write about race and class in a deeper way than we have in years. In the coming weeks, we’ll be assigning some new people to politics who can offer different ways of looking at the world. We’ll also ask reporters to write more deeply about the country, race, and other divisions. I really want your help in navigating this story.

My guess is this means that instead of mentioning Emmett Till once or twice per week, the NYT will be mentiong Emmett Till once or twice per day.

… Baquet: OK. I mean, let me go back a little bit for one second to just repeat what I said in my in my short preamble about coverage. Chapter 1 of the story of Donald Trump, not only for our newsroom but, frankly, for our readers, was: Did Donald Trump have untoward relationships with the Russians, and was there obstruction of justice? That was a really hard story, by the way, let’s not forget that. We set ourselves up to cover that story. I’m going to say it. We won two Pulitzer Prizes covering that story. And I think we covered that story better than anybody else.

The day Bob Mueller walked off that witness stand, two things happened. Our readers who want Donald Trump to go away suddenly thought, “Holy shit, Bob Mueller is not going to do it.” And Donald Trump got a little emboldened politically, I think. Because, you know, for obvious reasons. And I think that the story changed. A lot of the stuff we’re talking about started to emerge like six or seven weeks ago. We’re a little tiny bit flat-footed. I mean, that’s what happens when a story looks a certain way for two years. Right?

I think that we’ve got to change. I mean, the vision for coverage for the next two years is what I talked about earlier: How do we cover a guy who makes these kinds of remarks? How do we cover the world’s reaction to him? How do we do that while continuing to cover his policies? How do we cover America, that’s become so divided by Donald Trump? How do we grapple with all the stuff you all are talking about? How do we write about race in a thoughtful way, something we haven’t done in a large way in a long time? That, to me, is the vision for coverage. You all are going to have to help us shape that vision. But I think that’s what we’re going to have to do for the rest of the next two years.

This is no longer a story where the Washington bureau every week nails some giant story by [Washington correspondent] Mike Schmidt that says that Donald Trump or Don McGahn did this. That will remain part of the story, but this is a different story now. This is a story that’s going to call on different muscles for us. The next few weeks, we’re gonna have to figure out what those muscles are.

In other words, the current Racism Mania is the NYT’s Plan B after the spectacular failure of their Plan A: Russia Mania.

Shifting some of the excerpts in different order:

… Staffer: Hi. Thank you so much for doing this. I guess I have a two-part question. The first part is: Would it be fair to say that, if [contributing op-ed writer] Roxane Gay hadn’t tweeted out what she tweeted out, that we wouldn’t be having this conversation right now? And if that is true—or, regardless of whether it’s true—I think that something that some people have been wondering is: Do you feel that there is a person in a high position of power who can be as explicitly self-critical of this organization as Roxane Gay has, and is in a position to be, because she’s on the outside? Do you think that we would benefit from that?

This is about the spat in which NYT columnist Roxane Gay (who enjoys Intersectional Pokemon Points for being black, a woman, and obese) called the NYT’s deputy Washington editor Jonathan Weisman “unqualified” and he demanded an “enormous apology” from her. He wound up demoted, which probably tells you something about who is higher up on the diversity totem pole.

Staffer: Hello, I have another question about racism. I’m wondering to what extent you think that the fact of racism and white supremacy being sort of the foundation of this country should play into our reporting. Just because it feels to me like it should be a starting point, you know? Like these conversations about what is racist, what isn’t racist. I just feel like racism is in everything. It should be considered in our science reporting, in our culture reporting, in our national reporting. And so, to me, it’s less about the individual instances of racism, and sort of how we’re thinking about racism and white supremacy as the foundation of all of the systems in the country. And I think particularly as we are launching a 1619 Project, I feel like that’s going to open us up to even more criticism from people who are like, “OK, well you’re saying this, and you’re producing this big project about this. But are you guys actually considering this in your daily reporting?”

At this point I’m starting to feel a little sorry for Baquet who at least comes across as a grown-up. In contrast, much of the Great Awokening seems like a Schoolgirl Snit by young women on staff.

 
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  1. Self-appointed intellectual monkeys throwing their feces on the wall to see what sticks lately.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    When will the New York Times do a story about Hillary Clinton leaving SAP data on her home server for the Chinese to steal? When will the New York Times do a story about evidence of HRC's collusion with Chinese Intelligence being presented to the FBI and the FBI's subsequent disinterest in said evidence?
    , @Luke Lea
    Looks like the Old Grey Lady has a touch of the jaundice.
    , @Ragno
    Given the "1619 Project", I'd say they intend to see all of it sticks.

    Enjoyable as it would be to watch Bret Stephens and David Brooks using tiny toothbrushes to vigorously scour the dried doody off their chins and eyebrows - Charles Blow would barely notice any of it landing on him - none of it would be remotely as entertaining as watching the Times being auctioned off for a dollar, NEWSWEEK style, to the next Carlos Slim. I'm hoping El Chapo seals the deal via a proxy and begins agitating for the immediate vacating of all major-trafficking convictions.

    So long as his editorials refer to Trump as "puto" and "cocksucker", I'll wager Stephens, Brooks and the rest support him 100% - and Maureen Dowd will wonder aloud, and admiringly, just how big he is "south of the border". He just needs to be careful with his use of maricon, and to make sure the door's closed before he begins laughing at Blow, Gay and the rest of Team 1619.
  2. The NYT is self -destructing but at least racism refers to something real: everyone’s a racist -Asians, Blacks, Hispanics & whites. Of course the who-whom gets all confused, but there is a who & a whom. In contrast, the Russian collusion prior story was an obvious total hoax from the get-go. It’s good for the NYT to get off that & go somewhere else.

    • Replies: @International Jew

    everyone’s a racist — Asians, Blacks, Hispanics & whites
     
    Maybe you've just put your finger on the best defense against tge racism accusation: "I'm a racist? Isn't everyone a racist? Let's first define racism..." And then get into things like blacks objecting to gentrification, latinos joining forces to demand entry to the country, China blocking all immigration, etc.
    , @guest
    Are you new to contemporary Western civilization? There's no way out of getting accused of racism, least of all trying to get people to admit everyone is racist. That fact is pathologically denied.

    Though racism might be a real thing, "racism" is whatever you want it to be. If you have the authority to define things, that is.
  3. Roxane Gay as Editor in Chief is the only answer.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/06/15/arts/15xp-roxanegay/14xp-roxanegay-superJumbo.jpg

    The sort of 'female' who can get our own T.D. all hot and bothered.

    For extra lulz, check out the filename the NYT gave that jpeg.

    , @Lot
    She would bring a certain gravity to the position.

    https://media.newyorker.com/photos/59499bec150d515ee8582e78/16:9/w_1200,h_630,c_limit/St-Felix_Roxane-Gay.jpg

    https://typeset-beta.imgix.net/rehost%2F2016%2F9%2F13%2Fde6a9fc3-93d2-4048-b5f0-fa64ede16988.jpg
  4. “How do we write about race in a thoughtful way, something we haven’t done in a large way in a long time?”

    I agree. The Times has engaged in far too much frivolous racism reportage. I can’t imagine what Banquet meant with this thought. But I suspect he knows that racism as issue and presumably nonfiction subject is all dried up. It’s necessary excuse for consistent failure of some segments of the country, but it has become irrelevant with overuse, over-attention, overspent social salvation projects, and overwrought emotion. He’s looking for a way to put some more gas in an old heap with a blown engine. Without this cover story of innate white evil holding back the colored folk, we are left on way with explanation that they are chronic underachieving losers.

    His reminder, though, that the Times won two Pulitzers trying to convince the nation that collusion was real and there was a Russian bot under every bed is fall off the barstool hilarious.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Not Carlos Slim's relatives: they were busy massacring the Palestinian refugees in 1982.
    , @Hypnotoad666

    His reminder, though, that the Times won two Pulitzers trying to convince the nation that collusion was real and there was a Russian bot under every bed is fall off the barstool hilarious.
     
    I don't know how Pulitzers work, but maybe you get extra "difficulty" points for convincing people to believe a story that is obviously fake.

    I shudder to think how many Pulitzers they will rack up for their never-ending series on why "systemic racism" and "white privilege" explain everything.
    , @Forbes

    His reminder, though, that the Times won two Pulitzers trying to convince the nation that collusion was real and there was a Russian bot under every bed is fall off the barstool hilarious.
     
    Two Pulitzers for fake news, and he pats himself on the back. Good grief.

    Baquet: "And I think we covered that story better than anybody else."

    Yeah, keep thinking that...
  5. How do we cover America, that’s become so divided by Donald Trump?

    These people really think like that. Donald Trump divided America? Seriously? Absolutely zero self-awareness.

    No America is divided because there is an elite group of people–very prominent at the NYT–who have contempt for the founding and core population of the United States. Are over-the-top full of themselves and hence can not admit that that American core population are pretty decent people whose culture, capabilities and character is precisely why America is a darn nice place. This elite group’s attitude, and the minoritarian ideology they created and propagated to tear down and insult America’s founding and core population is why America is divided.

    Donald Trump has shit-all to do with it. No, Trump in his bumbling way just exposes this division that these people have been creating and exacerbating for a couple generations. Basically because Trump doesn’t precisely spout their tune, and he irritates them and excites their paranoia, which has gotten them amped up–with ever more strident denunciations of “deplorable”, “racist” core America–and that has actually exacerbated the division.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    Agreed. For all his many faults, Trump has to some degree given a voice to the dispossessed and disaffected in Current Year America. That alone is unforgivable to TPTB.
    , @Alfa158
    “These people really think like that. Donald Trump divided America? Seriously? Absolutely zero self-awareness.”
    I think they are perfectly self-aware. Remember, they are essentially ant-hill style totalitarians. They envision a society in which everyone believes the same things, because those things are true philosophically even if not factually, obeys an elite class, and belongs to the same UniParty. Donald Trump and his followers fail to follow their program, therefore they are “dividing” the country into people on board and people not in board. Notice that in every political disagreement the Democrats always open with the accusation that Republicans are being “divisive”. In their minds you can’t have any sticks escaping from the bundle of sticks wrapped around an axe.
    , @Forbes
    They love, love, love diversity--they demand conformity.
  6. People who cannot accept the reality of human bio-diversity, with massive evidence in favor of it displayed before them each day, can go a bit crazy. It is like a HAL-9000 intellectual unraveling. There is a nugget of truth forbidden for them, that races have different average economic and social outcomes because they have different average genetically-influenced traits. They build these wild fantasy worlds of structural racism, to try to make sense of the world without acknowledging its harsh HBD realities.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    The majority of them actually understand the biological realities quite well. It’s developing competing frameworks that effectively hide that reality that’s difficult. Too many people make too much money off the currently entrenched social order. There’s a reason why the education apparatus is so hostile to that train of thought. It undermines their very reason for institutional existence.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/04/17/do-americans-care-more-about-war-than-education/#31b3a0916aa1

    http://blogs-images.forbes.com/erikkain/files/2011/04/usgs_bar.jpg

    http://blogs-images.forbes.com/erikkain/files/2011/04/usgs_bar2.jpg

  7. Steve,

    At first I thought that this was a fictitious Alt Right wet dream: The New York Times baldly admitting how they commit journalism malpractice. But it wasn’t a spoof. And even more revealing, how Slate nonchalantly reported and accepted this as ethical journalism.

    If there were Nuremberg Trials for Journalism Malpractice, the whole Times staff would be on trial !

    • Agree: International Jew
    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    How did the "racism all the time" playbook work for the likes of Slate and Salon?
    , @Hypnotoad666

    If there were Nuremberg Trials for Journalism Malpractice, the whole Times staff would be on trial !
     
    It would be a fascinating case study in leftist institution-capture to understand how this came to pass. Did it start from the top down as a conscious plan to hire only SJW reporters? Or did the conformist SJW culture just organically grow up to repel all objective and fair-minded journalists?

    This leftist take-over dynamic is so common it needs to be better understood.
  8. @San Fernando Curt

    "How do we write about race in a thoughtful way, something we haven’t done in a large way in a long time?"
     
    I agree. The Times has engaged in far too much frivolous racism reportage. I can't imagine what Banquet meant with this thought. But I suspect he knows that racism as issue and presumably nonfiction subject is all dried up. It's necessary excuse for consistent failure of some segments of the country, but it has become irrelevant with overuse, over-attention, overspent social salvation projects, and overwrought emotion. He's looking for a way to put some more gas in an old heap with a blown engine. Without this cover story of innate white evil holding back the colored folk, we are left on way with explanation that they are chronic underachieving losers.

    His reminder, though, that the Times won two Pulitzers trying to convince the nation that collusion was real and there was a Russian bot under every bed is fall off the barstool hilarious.

    Not Carlos Slim’s relatives: they were busy massacring the Palestinian refugees in 1982.

  9. The speech that the NYT editor would have given to these staffers circa 1960 (and should have given now): “Just get your facts straight and get your stories in on time. This place doesn’t exist for you to indulge your personal politics. So stop your f*cking bitching and get back to work. Oh yeah, if you don’t like that deal, then you’re fired. Got it.”

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    I think you've got that about right. The last presidential election in which the New York Times endorsed the Republican candidate was in 1956, so the shift to total left-wing partisanship began some time after that.
    , @Steve Johnson
    @Hypnotoad666 - are you kidding? Pre-1960s NYT "Just get your facts straight and get your stories in on time"?

    Look up Walter Duranty.

    As to the original post - there's only really one possible explanation for this behavior out of Dean Baquet - Putin got to him.
    , @International Jew

    stop your f*cking bitching
     
    In 1960 he would have said kvetching and everyone would have understood him.
    , @Known Fact
    God forbid they should stop all this "telling our stories" and cover some actual real news stories.
    , @Alden
    The 1957-60 editors sent reporters to Cuba to glorify Castro’s rebels and absolutely rejoice in Castro’s successful revolution.

    In 1960 the Slimes jumped into the school bussing is the greatest thing ever and blacks are totally absolutely innocent of crime and are in prison only because of evil bigoted White cops prosecutors judges and juries liberal sewer.

    I don’t know the last time the Slimes told the truth. WW1 Armistice Day maybe?
    , @Pericles
    I seem to recall reading that some newspapers at some point (mid-20th?) wanted to distance themselves from 'yellow journalism' and become trusted sources of news. It might possibly also have been a way for new entrants (ahem) to take on sleazy incumbents. Hence all the honking about impartiality and all that.

    Once trust was won, they then proceeded to determinedly violate it.
  10. At this point I’m starting to feel a little sorry for Baquet who at least comes across as a grown-up. In contrast, much of the Great Awokening seems like a Schoolgirl Snit by young women on staff.

    No sympathy from me.

    This last ten years has indeed made it very, very clear that allowing young women–women who’ve never even pushed a baby out of their vagina, much less nursed him, changed him, raised him … gathered any perspective on life whatsoever–to spout off in a nation’s media is a recipe for disaster. A farsical, crazy, intensely stupid, “Schoolgirl Snit” disaster, but a true disaster for the nation nonetheless.

    But … it is precisely the “grown ups” in elite media, ike Dean Baquet who are enabling it. If he wanted to he could be setting a standard that NYT reporters can’t run around like 14 year old girls, yelling “racist” all the time. That they actually have to do reportage and get the facts. And if they are reporting on opinions and perspectives they must give the deplorable opinion equal time as well.

    But, of course, Baquet does not want to do this. He wants completely slanted stories that fit the narrative, he just wishes he could reign in his squawking squad of estrogen addled shrews a bit and get somewhat less stupid, more sophisticated, narrative compliant stories. ‘f him!

    The girls really aren’t the problem. They are just acting like girls. Their writing is stupid because they are a) young and b) women. Like most women they are deeply status conscious and approval seeking and this narrative is what they have been taught, what they are supposed to think and ergo what they deeply believe.

    It is the people who have hired them and publish them that are the problem.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    This last ten years has indeed made it very, very clear that allowing young women–women who’ve never even pushed a baby out of their vagina, much less nursed him, changed him, raised him …
     
    Have you actually noticed a correlation with childbearing? Many White women who have children are just as susceptible to group think and anti-White hatred.
    , @Unladen Swallow
    Getting both sides of a story is something the NYT and the rest of the national media began to abandon around thirty years ago, and pretty much stopped doing altogether about twenty to twenty-five years ago, depending on the source. These clowns don't know any other way, every news report is filled with constant editorializing and has been as long as most of them can remember, the blind are truly leading the blind.
    , @Bill Jones
    If the girlies get to do the "Whole country was built by racists" line running up to the election , it could be a wonderful thing for the remaining sane people in the US. (i.e.White people)
    , @International Jew
    The Times will need even more emotion-driven-hysterics, and correspondingly fewer wonky legal correspondents, if the plan is to shift from Russiagate to Racism.
    , @Anonymous
    The NY Times was pretty bad before gay men/childless women took over the news. The old biased Timesmen of the 50s, 60s would complain about the same thing you are blaming, so I think that has always existed. The difference is that it's no longer possible for media to be profitable without pandering to immature fantasies of some kind: racism witchcraft theories; comic book superhero melodrama; BDSM billionaires; drag queen/sex change lifestyles; etc. The fantasies themselves aren't new
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe

    ...he just wishes he could reign in his squawking squad of estrogen addled shrews a bit and get somewhat less stupid, more sophisticated, narrative compliant stories.
     
    THE SUBJECT IS RELAYING AN ACCURATE ACCOUNT
  11. The irony is that racism isn’t even necessarily that important.

    I’m very and avowedly racist towards blacks, but I’ve had perfectly satisfactory relations with black employees and clients. Conversely, I assume various blacks and Hispanics and Asians have harbored racist sentiments towards me, but it hasn’t interfered with our conducting business.

    It’s a bit like if we’re of opposite genders and I think you’re good looking. Well, that doesn’t necessarily dominate our transaction. I think you’ve got a nice rack. So what? I’m racist…so what?

    To put it yet another way; I’ll offer you two choices. I can be a racist who hates your group but an auto mechanic who knows his job and takes pride in his work — or I can be an incompetent who makes his money by defrauding his customers, but I just love your skin color the bestest.

    Who do you want fixing your car? Racism and who feels it just isn’t necessarily of overwhelming importance in all contexts.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Seneca44
    As has often been said in my field as well as others: Competence is the ultimate compassion.
  12. Anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:

    Remember this, three years ago?

    In much-discussed remarks to his own media columnist James Rutenberg, executive editor Dean Baquet offered a mea culpa for having missed the Donald Trump surprise, though he spoke less for the paper than for journalists in general. “We’ve got to do a much better job of being on the road, out in the country, talking to different kinds of people than we talk to — especially if you happen to be a New York-based news organization — and remind ourselves that New York is not the real world,” Baquet said.

    Public editor Liz Spayd cut closer to the bone, as she marveled at an election-night flip from an 84% Clinton-to-win assessment by the paper’s elaborate data operation, to a 95% likelihood for Trump just a few hours later.

    “As The Times begins a period of self-reflection, I hope its editors will think hard about the half of America the paper too seldom covers,” wrote Spayd.

    Now, to reassure the Woke, Baquet must bless the Times with another invocation of the monumental 1619 Project before putting the paper on a path that could lead them into temptation — such as trying to understand the everyday concerns of prole Americans.

    They sometimes want us to pretend that he was not elected president, but he was elected president. And our job is to figure out why, and how, and to hold the administration to account. If you’re independent, that’s what you do. The same newspaper that this week will publish the 1619 Project, the most ambitious examination of the legacy of slavery ever undertaken in [inaudible] newspaper, to try to understand the forces that led to the election of Donald Trump. And that means trying to understand the segment of America that probably does not read us. The same newspaper that can publish a major story on Fox News, and how some of its commentators purvey anti-immigrant conspiracies, also has to talk to people who think immigration may cost them jobs and who oppose abortion on religious grounds.

    • Replies: @peterike
    “We’ve got to do a much better job of being on the road, out in the country, talking to different kinds of people than we talk to — especially if you happen to be a New York-based news organization — and remind ourselves that New York is not the real world,” Baquet said.

    Of course, when Baquet said this three years ago, the real meaning was: "We need to find that magic key that will free the Deplorables from their mind-shackles and have them thinking like us." There was zero desire to actually get another point of view. He simply wanted his staff to find out new and better ways to undermine legacy America.
  13. @Dan Hayes
    Steve,

    At first I thought that this was a fictitious Alt Right wet dream: The New York Times baldly admitting how they commit journalism malpractice. But it wasn't a spoof. And even more revealing, how Slate nonchalantly reported and accepted this as ethical journalism.

    If there were Nuremberg Trials for Journalism Malpractice, the whole Times staff would be on trial !

    How did the “racism all the time” playbook work for the likes of Slate and Salon?

  14. “As Audra Burch said when I talked to her this weekend, this one is a story about what it means to be an American in 2019”

    Is Audra Burch Scots Irish?

  15. Anonymous[183] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    At this point I’m starting to feel a little sorry for Baquet who at least comes across as a grown-up. In contrast, much of the Great Awokening seems like a Schoolgirl Snit by young women on staff.
     
    No sympathy from me.

    This last ten years has indeed made it very, very clear that allowing young women--women who've never even pushed a baby out of their vagina, much less nursed him, changed him, raised him ... gathered any perspective on life whatsoever--to spout off in a nation's media is a recipe for disaster. A farsical, crazy, intensely stupid, "Schoolgirl Snit" disaster, but a true disaster for the nation nonetheless.

    But ... it is precisely the "grown ups" in elite media, ike Dean Baquet who are enabling it. If he wanted to he could be setting a standard that NYT reporters can't run around like 14 year old girls, yelling "racist" all the time. That they actually have to do reportage and get the facts. And if they are reporting on opinions and perspectives they must give the deplorable opinion equal time as well.

    But, of course, Baquet does not want to do this. He wants completely slanted stories that fit the narrative, he just wishes he could reign in his squawking squad of estrogen addled shrews a bit and get somewhat less stupid, more sophisticated, narrative compliant stories. 'f him!

    The girls really aren't the problem. They are just acting like girls. Their writing is stupid because they are a) young and b) women. Like most women they are deeply status conscious and approval seeking and this narrative is what they have been taught, what they are supposed to think and ergo what they deeply believe.

    It is the people who have hired them and publish them that are the problem.

    This last ten years has indeed made it very, very clear that allowing young women–women who’ve never even pushed a baby out of their vagina, much less nursed him, changed him, raised him …

    Have you actually noticed a correlation with childbearing? Many White women who have children are just as susceptible to group think and anti-White hatred.

  16. @Clifford Brown
    Roxane Gay as Editor in Chief is the only answer.

    The sort of ‘female’ who can get our own T.D. all hot and bothered.

    For extra lulz, check out the filename the NYT gave that jpeg.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    MAN THE HARPOONS!
    , @ben tillman
    LOL!!!!!!!!!!
    , @fish

    This is about the spat in which NYT columnist Roxane Gay (who enjoys Intersectional Pokemon Points for being black, a woman, and obese)
     
    Obese is clearly an inadequate adjective in this case! She is literally an entire villages worth....
    , @Eternally Antifascist
    What a perfect representation of that "perfect" Kneegrowess, Roxane GAY.

    I am an old man and even I was becoming "hot and bothered" by that picture perfect presentation of Kneegrowess pulchritude!!!
  17. @AnotherDad

    How do we cover America, that’s become so divided by Donald Trump?
     
    These people really think like that. Donald Trump divided America? Seriously? Absolutely zero self-awareness.

    No America is divided because there is an elite group of people--very prominent at the NYT--who have contempt for the founding and core population of the United States. Are over-the-top full of themselves and hence can not admit that that American core population are pretty decent people whose culture, capabilities and character is precisely why America is a darn nice place. This elite group's attitude, and the minoritarian ideology they created and propagated to tear down and insult America's founding and core population is why America is divided.

    Donald Trump has shit-all to do with it. No, Trump in his bumbling way just exposes this division that these people have been creating and exacerbating for a couple generations. Basically because Trump doesn't precisely spout their tune, and he irritates them and excites their paranoia, which has gotten them amped up--with ever more strident denunciations of "deplorable", "racist" core America--and that has actually exacerbated the division.

    Agreed. For all his many faults, Trump has to some degree given a voice to the dispossessed and disaffected in Current Year America. That alone is unforgivable to TPTB.

  18. @San Fernando Curt

    "How do we write about race in a thoughtful way, something we haven’t done in a large way in a long time?"
     
    I agree. The Times has engaged in far too much frivolous racism reportage. I can't imagine what Banquet meant with this thought. But I suspect he knows that racism as issue and presumably nonfiction subject is all dried up. It's necessary excuse for consistent failure of some segments of the country, but it has become irrelevant with overuse, over-attention, overspent social salvation projects, and overwrought emotion. He's looking for a way to put some more gas in an old heap with a blown engine. Without this cover story of innate white evil holding back the colored folk, we are left on way with explanation that they are chronic underachieving losers.

    His reminder, though, that the Times won two Pulitzers trying to convince the nation that collusion was real and there was a Russian bot under every bed is fall off the barstool hilarious.

    His reminder, though, that the Times won two Pulitzers trying to convince the nation that collusion was real and there was a Russian bot under every bed is fall off the barstool hilarious.

    I don’t know how Pulitzers work, but maybe you get extra “difficulty” points for convincing people to believe a story that is obviously fake.

    I shudder to think how many Pulitzers they will rack up for their never-ending series on why “systemic racism” and “white privilege” explain everything.

  19. @Clifford Brown
    Roxane Gay as Editor in Chief is the only answer.

    She would bring a certain gravity to the position.

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    I am aware of some of the inside baseball at The Times and know that there is one editor in particular who is a big champion of Roxane Gay. It must be infuriating to the few remaining serious journalists, but once you drop intellectual integrity, these things happen.
    , @SFG
    g*m2/r^2, for sure.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    What kind of society takes seriously the opinions of a morbidly obese woman who thinks jeans are a good look for her?
    , @Justvisiting
    There is royalty in America--this is the Queen.

    Do we laugh or cry?

    It is also hilarious that the Times wants to talk about "class".

    The rich and powerful decide who writes for the newspaper and what they write.

    Now more than ever.
    , @Dr. X
    Fat, black... and tats?

    What's the probability she really is "gay," too? I'd guess about 98%...
    , @Antonius
    Good grief!!!!
    , @Anonymous
    I was at an airshow once and there was a blackish woman easily smaller than this who literally got stuck trying to climb into a B-52. It took the base fire crew to pull her out. The best part is that there was most of the RAF Vulcan crew up there getting a tour when this happened. Poor bastards were stuck in there for at last a half hour and it was very hot in that cramped space.

    Airshow attendees loved the Vulcan because you could hang out in the shade underneath it.
    , @Realist

    She would bring a certain gravity to the position.

     

    When she moves it triggers LIGO
  20. @Dan Hayes
    Steve,

    At first I thought that this was a fictitious Alt Right wet dream: The New York Times baldly admitting how they commit journalism malpractice. But it wasn't a spoof. And even more revealing, how Slate nonchalantly reported and accepted this as ethical journalism.

    If there were Nuremberg Trials for Journalism Malpractice, the whole Times staff would be on trial !

    If there were Nuremberg Trials for Journalism Malpractice, the whole Times staff would be on trial !

    It would be a fascinating case study in leftist institution-capture to understand how this came to pass. Did it start from the top down as a conscious plan to hire only SJW reporters? Or did the conformist SJW culture just organically grow up to repel all objective and fair-minded journalists?

    This leftist take-over dynamic is so common it needs to be better understood.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Hynotoad666:

    What we are witnessing is the final stages of Gramsci's long march through the institutions. Its fulsome objectives of producing SJWs have been reached, with the institutional incubators ranging from graduate and journalism schools down to kindergartens!

    , @Beckow

    ...leftist institution-capture to understand how this came to pass
     
    Simple, in British media they call it having a Pakistani guy at a meeting. The main dynamic at workplaces is career preservation and politeness. When a single identity-conscious person is added to a team, the behaviour quickly adjusts - and it is all downhill after that. It doesn't even matter whether the POC person cares or has any views, their mere presence leads to obsessive polite adjustments and eventually to a mental surrender. It is easier that way. Look at that 400-pound buff black lady from NY Times, who can to argue with that?

    Historically, the ultra-polite accommodation was a feminine trait, but all professionals are 'women-like' now. Eventually the marginals realise that there is zero resistance and push all the way through, that sorry Dean Baquet won't last long. That meeting he held was a severance negotiation move to make sure he is not simply dumped as a 'racist'.
    , @Days of Broken Arrows
    It starts in the colleges where students are indoctrinated, not taught. This has gotten worse as the decades have passed.

    I worked in a newsroom in the '80s, and while the newer journalist were definitely liberal (as are most young people), they pursued "objectivity" first and foremost. By the 2000s, the new journalists on staff virtually all had agendas. This one wanted to "queer the section." That one wanted to expose the history of various injustices. Etc. All of them listened to NPR and had a specific worldview, and you didn't challenge it because "Racism!" and the HR department.

    With just a few such hires, the newsroom culture transformed. There's your modern-day newsroom.
    , @Prof. Woland
    Actually there were several Nazis that were writers and propagandists who were tried for war crimes. Julius Streicher and Alfred Rosenberg were hung and Hans Fritsche was acquitted. I guess they got what they deserved.
    , @J.Ross
    NYT was always "progressive" but it also used to have a pretense to adulthood.
  21. Roxane Gay (who enjoys Intersectional Pokemon Points for being black, a woman, and obese)

    And Gay, if not gay.

    No commenter on this forum has any Pokemon points, except for Snorlax, who has them literally.

    “Snorlax”, by the way, sounds like the trademark for a combination sleeping pill and purgative. Which could be messy.

    • LOL: snorlax
    • Replies: @Forbes
    Is it OK to admit I've no idea what any of that graphic pertains to? (Nor do I need to know.)

    Probably makes me racist...
  22. The BBC did a little watched fly on the wall documentary on the New York Times. I watched it and was shocked. It was obvious they were making up the Russian story on the fly. I realised the story was complete rubbish from then on – it took well over a year for that to finally resolve itself. Baquet seemed like a man not in control of his employees.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b8lfjh

  23. @Lot
    She would bring a certain gravity to the position.

    https://media.newyorker.com/photos/59499bec150d515ee8582e78/16:9/w_1200,h_630,c_limit/St-Felix_Roxane-Gay.jpg

    https://typeset-beta.imgix.net/rehost%2F2016%2F9%2F13%2Fde6a9fc3-93d2-4048-b5f0-fa64ede16988.jpg

    I am aware of some of the inside baseball at The Times and know that there is one editor in particular who is a big champion of Roxane Gay. It must be infuriating to the few remaining serious journalists, but once you drop intellectual integrity, these things happen.

    • Replies: @Sean
    It's about Trump leveraging the hardline component of the Israel lobby against the liberal left. He had an astounding success recently.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/07/trump-praises-new-york-times-headline-that-sparked-uproar-after-shootings
    The headline New York Times print edition Tuesday, read “Trump urges unity vs racism”. The headline was changed to “Assailing hate but not guns”, in the paper’s second edition.

    The headline appeared in the print edition of the New York Times, which Dean Baquet said has become less of a focus for the paper’s leadership, known as the masthead within the industry.

    “The print hub is not right in the middle of the news desk anymore,” Baquet told the Columbia Journalism Review (CJR). “I don’t lay out the page. I don’t pick the front-page stories. I don’t think that’s the role of the executive editor anymore.”

    He added: “It’s important for me to say, if anyone is at fault, the executive editor is at fault,” and said: “It didn’t have enough skepticism of what the president said.”
     
    My bet is Weisman OKed the offending headline. Weisman is one of those Jews who support Trump because he is against the Palestinians, not the ones in the in the West Bank ,but Rashida Tlaib; that is who Weisman's offending tweet is about. As you may be aware Trump told her to go home, and then when she was planning a visit to her relatives in the West Bank along with her fellow Congresswoman squad member he publically urged Israel to change their minds and not to let her in, which they promptly did.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/15/israels-decision-to-block-congresswomen-omar-and-tlaib-draws-widespread-criticism

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/05/anti-semitism-in-america/559544/
    Weisman’s book never overcomes this foundational flaw: It is based on the wildly inaccurate claim that American Jews are not talking about, thinking about, and calling out anti-Semitism. Weisman, alarmed by swirling hatred and lack of Jewish communal cohesion, seems to have cast about for someone to blame and settled on Jews themselves; his facts are wobbly and his prescriptions are thin. Yet the urgency of his project—finding a unified Jewish identity in a time of fracture, assimilation, and recurring bigotry—marks a development that has been unimaginable to Jews for two or three generations: Once again, hate toward Jews is rising. Once again, Jews are distressingly divided. Once again, there is no easy solution to protect Jews’ moral, political, or physical future.
     
    Once again it boils down to an argument between Jews about what is good for the Jews. The difference this time is a white gentile (Trump) is reaping the benefit.
    , @Simply Simon
    "Intellectual integrity?" Nowhere to be found in large parts of the MSM.
  24. America is a white supremacist nation that elected a black president twice. A white supremacist nation that endlessly celebrates black people and black culture. A white supremacist nation where where blacks have legal privileges, openly written into law, that whites do not have. A white supremacist nation where Asians — including South Asians as brown skinned as most American blacks — are more successful in school, have lower crime rates, and make more money than whites. A white supremacist nation with an immigration policy that is making whites a minority. A white supremacist nation where white people can lose their jobs if they accidentally say the wrong thing about blacks.

    Is it possible I haven’t properly understood the meaning of “supremacist?”

    • Agree: Lurker, bomag
    • Replies: @The Alarmist

    America is a white supremacist nation that elected a black president twice.
     
    Unless you are talking about Bill Clinton, that other guy wasn't really black ... he was more coffee & cream. Many people can't take their coffee black, but everything is copacetic with a little cream in the mixture.
  25. Anon[372] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s weird how he frames Russiagate with obstruction at its core from the beginning. Obstruction of a trumped up scandal? “This Russia thing is probably fake. But if we get an investigation going, then they’ll slip up and do something else we can get them with.”

    At any rate, seeing the supposed boss Baquet squirm and cower before his Millennial puppetmasters is hilarious. How long until he’s #metoo’d and a young, black female tales over?

  26. Translation:

    Dean Baquet: Okay, here is the playbook. We will refrain from calling people racists, since you know, Biden may say some loopy stuff about black people, between now and election day. We don’t want that term being weaponized against him, or scaring professional white women. Also, when we call someone a racist, it makes it a case about concrete facts, like the sort of facts a jury can look at in a libel case. Remember, we’re in the business of truth, not facts. So racists are out, but racism is in, since it involves a sense of collective guilt that women voters really respond to.

    And people, don’t even get me started on Twitter. Please don’t say hurtful things about your colleagues on Twitter who have more Wokemon Points than you do. Stick to sicking lynch mobs on random white teenage boys from Kentucky. Remember, punch down.

    So let’s work through an example. Israel recently denied entry to Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar. This wasn’t because Tlaib and Omar were racists, although we may occasionally call them anti-Semetic. And Israel wasn’t racist either because Jews. Rather, Trump is being inflammatory by playing various Jewish factions against each other. We will only print the first part of that though, since we only provide appropriate context when it fits The Narrative.

    • Replies: @HammerJack

    Staffer: "I just feel like racism is in everything."
     
    (OMG, that is like so true.)

    If only I'd been the editor at that meeting, I'd have responded brightly, "That's a good little doggie."

    Anyway, by sheer coincidence, since racism is in everything, whaddya know, we never have to write about anything else, ever again!

    Neat how that works out, isn't it.

  27. @AnotherDad

    At this point I’m starting to feel a little sorry for Baquet who at least comes across as a grown-up. In contrast, much of the Great Awokening seems like a Schoolgirl Snit by young women on staff.
     
    No sympathy from me.

    This last ten years has indeed made it very, very clear that allowing young women--women who've never even pushed a baby out of their vagina, much less nursed him, changed him, raised him ... gathered any perspective on life whatsoever--to spout off in a nation's media is a recipe for disaster. A farsical, crazy, intensely stupid, "Schoolgirl Snit" disaster, but a true disaster for the nation nonetheless.

    But ... it is precisely the "grown ups" in elite media, ike Dean Baquet who are enabling it. If he wanted to he could be setting a standard that NYT reporters can't run around like 14 year old girls, yelling "racist" all the time. That they actually have to do reportage and get the facts. And if they are reporting on opinions and perspectives they must give the deplorable opinion equal time as well.

    But, of course, Baquet does not want to do this. He wants completely slanted stories that fit the narrative, he just wishes he could reign in his squawking squad of estrogen addled shrews a bit and get somewhat less stupid, more sophisticated, narrative compliant stories. 'f him!

    The girls really aren't the problem. They are just acting like girls. Their writing is stupid because they are a) young and b) women. Like most women they are deeply status conscious and approval seeking and this narrative is what they have been taught, what they are supposed to think and ergo what they deeply believe.

    It is the people who have hired them and publish them that are the problem.

    Getting both sides of a story is something the NYT and the rest of the national media began to abandon around thirty years ago, and pretty much stopped doing altogether about twenty to twenty-five years ago, depending on the source. These clowns don’t know any other way, every news report is filled with constant editorializing and has been as long as most of them can remember, the blind are truly leading the blind.

  28. I’ve been trying to come up with a “Eye of Soros” theme Mascot for the New York Times. Something that involves its famous monicker “The Grey Lady.”

    My first choice is: Mary Shaw, from the film “Dead Silence.”

    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/b/b9/Dead_Silence_Mary_Shaw.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20161003072710

    The “Death Poem” goes very well with the contemporary NYT.

    She had no kids (Feminism)

    She only had Dolls (puppet reporters)

    She’ll rip your tongue out (Media Censorship)

    My second choice is: Faintly Macabre, from the Book “The Phantom Tollbooth.”

    The great city censor who policed all the allowable words.

    Does anyone else have any contenders?

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    Santa Muerte, from the cult spreading like wildfire across Los Angeles County. By the way, Dead Silence (2007): pretty good stoner flick.
  29. I guess all that A$AP Rocky pandering by Trump (“Lowest black unemployment in history!”) did him no good at all — to quote the Orange Man himself: “Too bad!”

  30. It must be infuriating to the few remaining serious journalists, but once you drop intellectual integrity, these things happen.

    Up until maybe a few weeks ago, I felt sorry for some of the ‘serious’ journalists left at the times, the post, an maybe a couple of the other big papers left. being middle aged myself, I can see someone with mortgage, kids, a (ex?) wife to support needing their job. But the whole facade collapsed a decade ago, and anyone still there deserves their fate.

    They should have been looking for the exit door. But then again, being a newspaper reporter doesn’t mean you’re a good writer (sounds counter intuitive, but it’s true), and a degree in journalism doesn’t train you for anything other than news work. Fifteen years ago, the apex of a journalism career was to work for the journal, the post, or the times. Today, only the first one has an ounce of respectibiltiy remaining. The other two are jokes.

    As far as the money goes, I’ve thought a lot about this. One thing (among many) is that the people that own the big papers/paper chains (Hearst, McClatchy, the Sulzbergers, etc.) are already rich, and they wouldn’t be gaining much by selling, so why not keep a media presence, make a few bucks, though not as many as you would 20 years ago, and try to shape public opinion to your liking.

  31. @Hypnotoad666

    If there were Nuremberg Trials for Journalism Malpractice, the whole Times staff would be on trial !
     
    It would be a fascinating case study in leftist institution-capture to understand how this came to pass. Did it start from the top down as a conscious plan to hire only SJW reporters? Or did the conformist SJW culture just organically grow up to repel all objective and fair-minded journalists?

    This leftist take-over dynamic is so common it needs to be better understood.

    Hynotoad666:

    What we are witnessing is the final stages of Gramsci’s long march through the institutions. Its fulsome objectives of producing SJWs have been reached, with the institutional incubators ranging from graduate and journalism schools down to kindergartens!

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    What we are witnessing is the final stages of Gramsci’s long march through the institutions. Its fulsome objectives of producing SJWs have been reached, with the institutional incubators ranging from graduate and journalism schools down to kindergartens!
     
    You got that right . . . apparently the entire state of California is poised to go full SJW with mandatory anti-white training in the public schools. https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/california-to-become-yugoslavia-ethnic-studies/

    The following is not, repeat NOT, parody. This is really happening in California:

    Here’s a link to the “model curriculum” put forth by the state. I strongly urge you to read it. Here are some excerpts:

    At its core, the field of Ethnic Studies is the interdisciplinary study of race, ethnicity, and indigeneity with an emphasis on experiences of people of color in the United States. Further, it is the xdisciplinary [sic], loving, and critical praxis of holistic humanity – as educational and racial justice. It is from communities of color and our intergenerational worldviews, memories, experiences, identities, narratives, and voices. It is the study of intersectional and ancestral roots, coloniality, hegemony, and a dignified world where many worlds fit, for present and future generations.

    The field critically grapples with the various power structures and forms of oppression, including, but not limited to, white supremacy, race and racism, sexism, classism, homophobia, islamophobia, transphobia, and xenophobia, that continue to impact the social, emotional, cultural, economic, and political experiences of Native People/s and people of color.

    Ethnic Studies is xdisciplinary, in that it variously takes the forms of being interdisciplinary, multidisciplinary, transdisciplinary, undisciplinary, and intradisciplinary. As such, it can grow its original language to serve these needs with purposeful respellings of terms, including history as herstory and women as womxn, connecting with a gender and sexuality lens, along with a socioeconomic class lens at three of its intersections. Terms utilized throughout this document, which may be unfamiliar to new practitioners of the field, are defined in the glossary.
     

     
    , @Reg Cæsar

    institutional incubators ranging from graduate and journalism schools down to kindergartens!
     
    That should read "up to kindergartens".
  32. So, after the last three Presidents, it’s finally time to get serious about character?

  33. @Hopscotch
    Translation:

    Dean Baquet: Okay, here is the playbook. We will refrain from calling people racists, since you know, Biden may say some loopy stuff about black people, between now and election day. We don't want that term being weaponized against him, or scaring professional white women. Also, when we call someone a racist, it makes it a case about concrete facts, like the sort of facts a jury can look at in a libel case. Remember, we're in the business of truth, not facts. So racists are out, but racism is in, since it involves a sense of collective guilt that women voters really respond to.

    And people, don't even get me started on Twitter. Please don't say hurtful things about your colleagues on Twitter who have more Wokemon Points than you do. Stick to sicking lynch mobs on random white teenage boys from Kentucky. Remember, punch down.

    So let's work through an example. Israel recently denied entry to Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar. This wasn't because Tlaib and Omar were racists, although we may occasionally call them anti-Semetic. And Israel wasn't racist either because Jews. Rather, Trump is being inflammatory by playing various Jewish factions against each other. We will only print the first part of that though, since we only provide appropriate context when it fits The Narrative.

    Staffer: “I just feel like racism is in everything.”

    (OMG, that is like so true.)

    If only I’d been the editor at that meeting, I’d have responded brightly, “That’s a good little doggie.”

    Anyway, by sheer coincidence, since racism is in everything, whaddya know, we never have to write about anything else, ever again!

    Neat how that works out, isn’t it.

  34. @jb
    America is a white supremacist nation that elected a black president twice. A white supremacist nation that endlessly celebrates black people and black culture. A white supremacist nation where where blacks have legal privileges, openly written into law, that whites do not have. A white supremacist nation where Asians -- including South Asians as brown skinned as most American blacks -- are more successful in school, have lower crime rates, and make more money than whites. A white supremacist nation with an immigration policy that is making whites a minority. A white supremacist nation where white people can lose their jobs if they accidentally say the wrong thing about blacks.

    Is it possible I haven't properly understood the meaning of "supremacist?"

    America is a white supremacist nation that elected a black president twice.

    Unless you are talking about Bill Clinton, that other guy wasn’t really black … he was more coffee & cream. Many people can’t take their coffee black, but everything is copacetic with a little cream in the mixture.

  35. @Peter Johnson
    People who cannot accept the reality of human bio-diversity, with massive evidence in favor of it displayed before them each day, can go a bit crazy. It is like a HAL-9000 intellectual unraveling. There is a nugget of truth forbidden for them, that races have different average economic and social outcomes because they have different average genetically-influenced traits. They build these wild fantasy worlds of structural racism, to try to make sense of the world without acknowledging its harsh HBD realities.

    The majority of them actually understand the biological realities quite well. It’s developing competing frameworks that effectively hide that reality that’s difficult. Too many people make too much money off the currently entrenched social order. There’s a reason why the education apparatus is so hostile to that train of thought. It undermines their very reason for institutional existence.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/04/17/do-americans-care-more-about-war-than-education/#31b3a0916aa1

  36. The New York Times:

    The Logos made Lynch Mob.

  37. They don’t even try to pretend anymore. Probably what the angst at the NY Times is really about is that they don’t have as big a budget as they ought to. Any decent propaganda outfit in the old Soviet Union, Red China, Cuba, or Oceana would have had a bigger share of the nations budget available to it, and RESPECT too, dammit! Those other organizations, back when Communism wasn’t so half-assed, would not have had to put up with the nominally-gay, obese black blob of human protoplasm having anything to do with the assignment of work and the seniority list.

    That was a really hard story, by the way, let’s not forget that.

    Just WTF does he mean by “hard” here? Doing the reporting is not hard. You just report what this guy said, what that guy said, what happened here, and what happened there. I guess it is “hard” if the job is working for years to make some narrative work out to your liking. Just listen to this following crap, and replace “cover” with “generate” and “coverage” with “story generation” and you can see what the actual job of the NY Times is:

    I mean, the vision for coverage for the next two years is what I talked about earlier: How do we cover a guy who makes these kinds of remarks? How do we cover the world’s reaction to him? How do we do that while continuing to cover his policies? How do we cover America, that’s become so divided by Donald Trump? How do we grapple…

    Grappling is what happens when the truth doesn’t fit the narrative well enough. Gotta grabble …

    It’s just time to do what should have been done long ago by the Clinton Administration, Let’s go ahead and put the NY Times on-budget, so they can get the job done!

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Just WTF does he mean by “hard” here? Doing the reporting is not hard. You just report what this guy said, what that guy said, what happened here, and what happened there. I guess it is “hard” if the job is working for years to make some narrative work out to your liking.
     
    Good points. Good post.
  38. “NYT columnist Roxane Gay (who enjoys Intersectional Pokemon Points for being black, a woman, and obese)”

    Isn’t that redundant?

    • LOL: HammerJack
  39. New Woke Times.

    • Replies: @jb

    New Woke Times.
     
    Language is important, and this is actually pretty good!!! Not up there with "social justice warrior" or "political correctness," but it could maybe fly a little lower and still serve the cause.
  40. @Lot
    She would bring a certain gravity to the position.

    https://media.newyorker.com/photos/59499bec150d515ee8582e78/16:9/w_1200,h_630,c_limit/St-Felix_Roxane-Gay.jpg

    https://typeset-beta.imgix.net/rehost%2F2016%2F9%2F13%2Fde6a9fc3-93d2-4048-b5f0-fa64ede16988.jpg

    g*m2/r^2, for sure.

  41. The funny thing is, if you read the damn thing, he’s actually trying to get them to froth at the mouth less when denouncing Trump. As in, just print what the guy writes, that’s bad enough.

    But his minions (and, I’ll bet, their readers) want to drag editorializing into the news section.

    Arguably we’re just going back to the press of the 19th century when every paper had an opinion. You wanted to be informed, you just read multiple sources.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    I guess we need no longer be troubled with any of former editor Weisman's opinions. Interesting they called this newsroom Donahue Show after Weisman's abrupt depersonning.
  42. @Hypnotoad666
    The speech that the NYT editor would have given to these staffers circa 1960 (and should have given now): "Just get your facts straight and get your stories in on time. This place doesn't exist for you to indulge your personal politics. So stop your f*cking bitching and get back to work. Oh yeah, if you don't like that deal, then you're fired. Got it."

    I think you’ve got that about right. The last presidential election in which the New York Times endorsed the Republican candidate was in 1956, so the shift to total left-wing partisanship began some time after that.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    But weren't those Republicans the leftist party at the time? "Rockefeller republicans", I believe?
  43. @Lot
    She would bring a certain gravity to the position.

    https://media.newyorker.com/photos/59499bec150d515ee8582e78/16:9/w_1200,h_630,c_limit/St-Felix_Roxane-Gay.jpg

    https://typeset-beta.imgix.net/rehost%2F2016%2F9%2F13%2Fde6a9fc3-93d2-4048-b5f0-fa64ede16988.jpg

    What kind of society takes seriously the opinions of a morbidly obese woman who thinks jeans are a good look for her?

  44. During the may years I’ve been watching US domestic propaganda, it has been getting progressively less believable and less effective, I would also say ‘more shrill’, although that’s difficult to define. They have gone from Walter Cronkite (1 man, believed to be representative of the US population by all except the Blacks and perhaps the Jewish establishment) to groups of talking heads (artificial peer groups for the viewers) that are not believed.

    What’s happening?

    In the 1950s and 1960s the American population was doing fairly well after winning WW II at (comparatively) little cost to themselves, and winning by uniting behind a government that had been authoritarian, but not obnoxiously so (as Wilson’s WW I government had been). Why not continue to trust government?

    However, starting with the Interstate Highway System of the 1950s and continuing with the development of containerization and the spread of manufacturing plants to the US countryside, the cities lost their economic base, grabbed onto a political base (taxing the rest of the world to support the cities), and began their decline into their present state. I should add that this happened world wide, although in most places a population increase drove interior migrants into a capital city, which continued to rule through sheer population size [1, 2].

    Societies that have lost their economic base (urban societies, in this case) become less competent with passing time and simplify down to a raw power / money grab within their political system [3]. Eventually, they are displaced. Under this general scheme, China in the 1930s appears to have been an extremely dysfunctional society that was replaced by Mao’s communists [4]. The mechanism appears to be that, absent economic selection, political power is not dependent upon smart people, but rather upon loyal people, and loyal stupid is preferred to loyal smart because loyal stupid is more predictably loyal.

    So, as time passed and while, on the one hand, resistance from the rest of the world to having it’s stuff and it’s young taken away to support unproductive cities grew, on the other hand the cities found themselves with a progressively stupider ruling establishment, recruited from a progressively stupider population. NYC, the leader of the “cities” coalition, found its hand weakened.

    On the academic / business management front, something similar happened. Academia was re-purposed as a recruiting / propaganda arm of the cities, business was re-purposed as a source of patronage jobs for cities whose population was more or less unemployable. Both were re-purposed as political enforcers (Google being a champion example of that). Both re-purposings had the same effect: the institutions became inimical to the countryside in obvious ways. Again, this was a byproduct of the city’s evolution. The result was a weakening of the New England / Yankeedom [5] region, which had been highly respected for its intellectual accomplishments back in the 1950s/1960s. Now they appear more as religious fanatics claiming that the Earth doesn’t go around the Sun.

    And, bing, here we are. L’état, c’est China 1930s, “a rope of sand”. Nothing works, anything can be corrupted, as Epstein’s life and death showed.

    Again, this is what historian William H. McNeill feared [6]. He pointed out that the West had, in the past, fallen into near anarchy as its own ability to innovate obsoleted its social political structure. He also pointed out that every society on Earth had recently reorganized itself after contact with the West had rendered its previous society unworkable [7]. This, McNeill said, meant that the West was facing societies that were better fitted to the current technological suite and world situation, than was the West. Further, next time the West had to re-organize, it would be in an environment of other civilizations that were capable of intervention (being modern and all) and better organized than a chaotic West.

    And, again, here we are. McNeill vindicated.

    And the _NYT_ having as much influence now as the _Daily Worker_ had in 1955.

    The reorganization will end when the US population (including whoever is left to live in the cities) becomes self-supporting again, with a trade surplus and no need to tax or otherwise extort tribute internally or from the rest of the world. Not before. Note that this does not imply what the US population will be, or its size, or its standard of living, or anything at all about the cities save their economic base.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] Gregory R. Copley.
    _Uncivilization_.
    The International Strategic Studies Association; First Edition, 2012/10/22.

    2] Van Creveld, “The fate of the state”, _Parameters_, 1996
    https://ssi.armywarcollege.edu/pubs/parameters/Articles/96spring/creveld.htm

    3] The Late Roman Empire had many troubles: plagues, climate change that reduced crops and increased foreign incursions, a population useless for military service: the time for urban empires in the West was over. Roman government responded with civil war, plotting within the government, arguably poor troop dispositions, and increased welfare for urban populations. Its literature and (apparently) internal documents became so florid as to be unintelligible (thus protecting their authors, who couldn’t be charged with saying the wrong thing when they had, in fact, said nothing). Roman society had been stripped down to something something horrible that, nevertheless, could be understood, hence staffed and run, by the truly stupid. Dutton, _At our wits end_, suggested an increasing genetic burden that reduced the supply of smart people as the underlying cause of the failure, and it may well have been a significant contributor.

    4] Mao’s party (with help from Stalins’ Russian) won a three way fight with the Japanese and the KMT, both of whom also wanted to replace the previous Chinese society.

    5] Colin Woodward.
    _American Nations_
    http://www.colinwoodard.com/americannations.html

    6] William H. McNeill.
    _A World History_.
    Oxford: Oxford University Press; 4th edition. (First published 1967).
    ISBN 0-19-511616-X
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._McNeill_(historian)

    7] For example, Imperial Spain was financed by gold from the Americas. This was made possible by the discovery by Europeans of the Americas in 1492. That was made possible by the invention of highly automated (with pulleys and rigging) and very rugged ships by the Dutch, who wanted to minimize crew in order to increase cargo/crew ratio, hence profitability. But the gold from the Americas destabilized all of Europe as Imperial Spain tried to extinguish the Protestant heresy to secure it’s Northern flank prior to clearing Islamic land forces from Eastern Europe as it had cleared Islamic naval forces from the Mediterranean after winning the Battle of Lepanto. This gave Europe the 30 Year’s War, one so horrible that when it was done the Treaty of Westphalia completely changed the basis of European society. The Islamic forces in Easter Europe were eventually defeated (more or less) by the various Eastern European national populations.
    Or, to summarize, European innovation eventually protected the Europeans from Islamic invasion, but at the cost of destabilizing European society.

    A similar account could be given of the effect of steam power, medicine, cheap steel, and nitrogen explosives on Europe, which resulted in the World Wars.

    8] Japan re-organized the most rapidly, under the Meiji Restoration, but even Japan had to re-organize twice, the next time being after WW II.

    • Replies: @houston 1992
    intriguing point. Japan, China modernised and updated their economies by importing Western know how. They did not import new peoples. So, they remain cohesive.....Japan, China organize themselves around race whereas the West organizes itself around short term economic gain.
    Europeans take for granted what makes their societies work or used to work.
  45. The funny thing is, if you read the damn thing, he’s actually trying to get them to froth at the mouth less when denouncing Trump. As in, just print what the guy writes, that’s bad enough.

    Agreed. But it’s also CYA, because even if the dems are shithouse crazy, they could still get the presidency, and the time circulation would crater like MSNBC’s did after the collusion hoax. Every TV news organization (except for FOX maybe) has a big-time corporate sugar daddy that can afford to underwrite what is essentially a marketing operation for their executives personal political opinions. The times does not.

    I remember walking through the San Antonio Express-News building a decade back and you couldn’t help but notice all of the empty desks and cubicles that would have been occupied 10 to 15 years earlier. As Steve is fond of quoting (paraphrasing? I never read the book), it starts gradually, and then it’s all of the sudden.

  46. Meanwhile, on August 13 Nate Silver tweeted that the NYT sucks up to Trump too much:

    The NYT isn’t/shouldn’t be part of #TheResistance, but they’re too self-conscious about trying to prove that they aren’t, in ways that likely worsen their journalism, and it doesn’t really buy them much because their critics (e.g. Trump) will accuse them all of it all the same.

  47. Staffer: … I just feel like racism is in everything. It should be considered in our science reporting, in our culture reporting, in our national reporting.

    Not in our sports reporting though!

    • Replies: @Barnard
    You haven't been keeping up with sports. They already portray Colin Kaepernick and other protesting NFL players as victims of racism. Kyle Korver, a white NBA player wrote an article in an online publication denouncing his white privilege last year. The focus has been on sexism lately, especially the U.S. women's soccer team getting paid less then the men for bringing in about 15% of the revenue the men do.
    , @Known Fact
    USA Today's sports harpies already have racism, sexism and genderism fully covered
  48. @Clifford Brown
    I am aware of some of the inside baseball at The Times and know that there is one editor in particular who is a big champion of Roxane Gay. It must be infuriating to the few remaining serious journalists, but once you drop intellectual integrity, these things happen.

    It’s about Trump leveraging the hardline component of the Israel lobby against the liberal left. He had an astounding success recently.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/07/trump-praises-new-york-times-headline-that-sparked-uproar-after-shootings
    The headline New York Times print edition Tuesday, read “Trump urges unity vs racism”. The headline was changed to “Assailing hate but not guns”, in the paper’s second edition.

    The headline appeared in the print edition of the New York Times, which Dean Baquet said has become less of a focus for the paper’s leadership, known as the masthead within the industry.

    “The print hub is not right in the middle of the news desk anymore,” Baquet told the Columbia Journalism Review (CJR). “I don’t lay out the page. I don’t pick the front-page stories. I don’t think that’s the role of the executive editor anymore.”

    He added: “It’s important for me to say, if anyone is at fault, the executive editor is at fault,” and said: “It didn’t have enough skepticism of what the president said.”

    My bet is Weisman OKed the offending headline. Weisman is one of those Jews who support Trump because he is against the Palestinians, not the ones in the in the West Bank ,but Rashida Tlaib; that is who Weisman’s offending tweet is about. As you may be aware Trump told her to go home, and then when she was planning a visit to her relatives in the West Bank along with her fellow Congresswoman squad member he publically urged Israel to change their minds and not to let her in, which they promptly did.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/15/israels-decision-to-block-congresswomen-omar-and-tlaib-draws-widespread-criticism

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/05/anti-semitism-in-america/559544/
    Weisman’s book never overcomes this foundational flaw: It is based on the wildly inaccurate claim that American Jews are not talking about, thinking about, and calling out anti-Semitism. Weisman, alarmed by swirling hatred and lack of Jewish communal cohesion, seems to have cast about for someone to blame and settled on Jews themselves; his facts are wobbly and his prescriptions are thin. Yet the urgency of his project—finding a unified Jewish identity in a time of fracture, assimilation, and recurring bigotry—marks a development that has been unimaginable to Jews for two or three generations: Once again, hate toward Jews is rising. Once again, Jews are distressingly divided. Once again, there is no easy solution to protect Jews’ moral, political, or physical future.

    Once again it boils down to an argument between Jews about what is good for the Jews. The difference this time is a white gentile (Trump) is reaping the benefit.

  49. It occurs to me that the reason Roxane Gay got so offended when Weisman demanded an “enormous apology” from her was that she thought his use of the adjective “enormous” was a subtle dig at her thighs.

    • Replies: @istevereader
    Funny! It hadn't occurred to me but now that you point it out (even if tongue in cheek) it obviously was a dig.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    ...she thought his use of the adjective “enormous” was a subtle dig at her thighs.

     

    From Sanford and Son episode "The Dowry" (1972):


    - BettyJean going with us?


    - No. Too much walking is bad for her. Her thighs rub against each other and she gets a rash.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0694144/
     
  50. I just feel like racism is in everything

    Except, implicitly, the staffer him/herself and their immediate circle of woke friends and collegues.

  51. @Mr McKenna
    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/06/15/arts/15xp-roxanegay/14xp-roxanegay-superJumbo.jpg

    The sort of 'female' who can get our own T.D. all hot and bothered.

    For extra lulz, check out the filename the NYT gave that jpeg.

    MAN THE HARPOONS!

    • LOL: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    MAN THE HARPOONS!

     

    Gregory Peck seemed like a regular guy who wasn't into any of that Hollywood naughty stuff, so I doubt very much he would've liked to have been ensnarled or strapped to that mulatto woman with harpoon ropes.

    Harpoon makes good beer, that's a more pleasant thought than thinking of that NY Times mulatto whale Roxane Gay with the forearm tattoos.

    Man the harpoons!

    Gregory Peck: No thank you! I'll let my pleasant wife cut my hair while I'm being interviewed to promote a movie project.
  52. @Hypnotoad666
    The speech that the NYT editor would have given to these staffers circa 1960 (and should have given now): "Just get your facts straight and get your stories in on time. This place doesn't exist for you to indulge your personal politics. So stop your f*cking bitching and get back to work. Oh yeah, if you don't like that deal, then you're fired. Got it."

    – are you kidding? Pre-1960s NYT “Just get your facts straight and get your stories in on time”?

    Look up Walter Duranty.

    As to the original post – there’s only really one possible explanation for this behavior out of Dean Baquet – Putin got to him.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    @Hypnotoad666 – are you kidding? Pre-1960s NYT “Just get your facts straight and get your stories in on time”?

    Look up Walter Duranty.
     

    I actually thought about him briefly before I made my comment. But I don't know the story well enough to say whether he was indicative of the whole paper at that time or was just a true-believer commie tool acting on his own initiative.

    But . . . since you brought him up, I would suggest to the NYT that they clear a space for their 2018 Russia Hoax Pulitzer right next to their 1932 Russia Hoax Pulitzer. They will make a nice set of bookends. https://www.pulitzer.org/news/statement-walter-duranty


    Statement on Walter Duranty's 1932 Prize
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    After more than six months of study and deliberation, the Pulitzer Prize Board has decided it will not revoke the foreign reporting prize awarded in 1932 to Walter Duranty of The New York Times.

    In recent months, much attention has been paid to Mr. Duranty's dispatches regarding the famine in the Soviet Union in 1932-1933, which have been criticized as gravely defective. However, a Pulitzer Prize for reporting is awarded not for the author's body of work or for the author's character but for the specific pieces entered in the competition. Therefore, the board focused its attention on the 13 articles that actually won the prize, articles written and published during 1931. [A complete list of the articles, with dates and headlines, is below.]

    In its review of the 13 articles, the Board determined that Mr. Duranty's 1931 work, measured by today's standards for foreign reporting, falls seriously short. In that regard, the Board's view is similar to that of The New York Times itself and of some scholars who have examined his 1931 reports. However, the board concluded that there was not clear and convincing evidence of deliberate deception, the relevant standard in this case. Revoking a prize 71 years after it was awarded under different circumstances, when all principals are dead and unable to respond, would be a momentous step and therefore would have to rise to that threshold.

    The famine of 1932-1933 was horrific and has not received the international attention it deserves. By its decision, the board in no way wishes to diminish the gravity of that loss. The Board extends its sympathy to Ukrainians and others in the United States and throughout the world who still mourn the suffering and deaths brought on by Josef Stalin.

    Walter Duranty's 13 articles in 1931 submitted for 1932 Pulitzer Prize

    Eleven-part series in The New York Times

    Duranty 1 6/14/1931 - "Red Russia of Today Ruled by Stalinism, Not Communism"
    Duranty 2 6/16/1931 - "Socialism First Aim in Soviet's Program; Trade Gains Second"
    Duranty 3 6/18/1931 - "Stalinism Shelves World Revolt Idea; To Win Russia First"
    Duranty 4 6/19/1931 - "Industrial Success Emboldens Soviet in New World Policy"
    Duranty 5 6/20/1931 - "Trade Equilibrium is New Soviet Goal"
    Duranty 6 6/22/1931 - "Soviet Fixes Opinion by Widest Control"
    Duranty 7 6/23/1931 - "Soviet Censorship Hurts Russia Most"
    Duranty 8 6/24/1931 - "Stalinism Smashes Foes in Marx's Name"
    Duranty 9 6/25/1931 - "Red Army is Held No Menace to Peace"
    Duranty 10 6/26/1931 - "Stalinism Solving Minorities Problem"
    Duranty 11 6/27/1931 - "Stalinism's Mark is Party Discipline"
    Two articles in The New York Times magazine

    Duranty 12 3/29/1931 - "The Russian Looks at the World"
    Duranty 13 12/20/1931 - "Stalin's Russia Is An Echo of Iron Ivan's"
     

    , @Kronos
    Perhaps the smears were of higher (IQ) quality?

    Typically, blue weaved obese black women don’t make the best sophisticated literary smears.
  53. “…it is also a story that requires imaginative use of all our muscles to write about race and class…”

    Don’t strain yourselves reaching, journos.

  54. @Counterinsurgency
    During the may years I've been watching US domestic propaganda, it has been getting progressively less believable and less effective, I would also say 'more shrill', although that's difficult to define. They have gone from Walter Cronkite (1 man, believed to be representative of the US population by all except the Blacks and perhaps the Jewish establishment) to groups of talking heads (artificial peer groups for the viewers) that are not believed.

    What's happening?

    In the 1950s and 1960s the American population was doing fairly well after winning WW II at (comparatively) little cost to themselves, and winning by uniting behind a government that had been authoritarian, but not obnoxiously so (as Wilson's WW I government had been). Why not continue to trust government?

    However, starting with the Interstate Highway System of the 1950s and continuing with the development of containerization and the spread of manufacturing plants to the US countryside, the cities lost their economic base, grabbed onto a political base (taxing the rest of the world to support the cities), and began their decline into their present state. I should add that this happened world wide, although in most places a population increase drove interior migrants into a capital city, which continued to rule through sheer population size [1, 2].

    Societies that have lost their economic base (urban societies, in this case) become less competent with passing time and simplify down to a raw power / money grab within their political system [3]. Eventually, they are displaced. Under this general scheme, China in the 1930s appears to have been an extremely dysfunctional society that was replaced by Mao's communists [4]. The mechanism appears to be that, absent economic selection, political power is not dependent upon smart people, but rather upon loyal people, and loyal stupid is preferred to loyal smart because loyal stupid is more predictably loyal.

    So, as time passed and while, on the one hand, resistance from the rest of the world to having it's stuff and it's young taken away to support unproductive cities grew, on the other hand the cities found themselves with a progressively stupider ruling establishment, recruited from a progressively stupider population. NYC, the leader of the "cities" coalition, found its hand weakened.

    On the academic / business management front, something similar happened. Academia was re-purposed as a recruiting / propaganda arm of the cities, business was re-purposed as a source of patronage jobs for cities whose population was more or less unemployable. Both were re-purposed as political enforcers (Google being a champion example of that). Both re-purposings had the same effect: the institutions became inimical to the countryside in obvious ways. Again, this was a byproduct of the city's evolution. The result was a weakening of the New England / Yankeedom [5] region, which had been highly respected for its intellectual accomplishments back in the 1950s/1960s. Now they appear more as religious fanatics claiming that the Earth doesn't go around the Sun.

    And, bing, here we are. L'état, c'est China 1930s, "a rope of sand". Nothing works, anything can be corrupted, as Epstein's life and death showed.

    Again, this is what historian William H. McNeill feared [6]. He pointed out that the West had, in the past, fallen into near anarchy as its own ability to innovate obsoleted its social political structure. He also pointed out that every society on Earth had recently reorganized itself after contact with the West had rendered its previous society unworkable [7]. This, McNeill said, meant that the West was facing societies that were better fitted to the current technological suite and world situation, than was the West. Further, next time the West had to re-organize, it would be in an environment of other civilizations that were capable of intervention (being modern and all) and better organized than a chaotic West.

    And, again, here we are. McNeill vindicated.

    And the _NYT_ having as much influence now as the _Daily Worker_ had in 1955.

    The reorganization will end when the US population (including whoever is left to live in the cities) becomes self-supporting again, with a trade surplus and no need to tax or otherwise extort tribute internally or from the rest of the world. Not before. Note that this does not imply what the US population will be, or its size, or its standard of living, or anything at all about the cities save their economic base.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] Gregory R. Copley.
    _Uncivilization_.
    The International Strategic Studies Association; First Edition, 2012/10/22.

    2] Van Creveld, "The fate of the state", _Parameters_, 1996
    https://ssi.armywarcollege.edu/pubs/parameters/Articles/96spring/creveld.htm

    3] The Late Roman Empire had many troubles: plagues, climate change that reduced crops and increased foreign incursions, a population useless for military service: the time for urban empires in the West was over. Roman government responded with civil war, plotting within the government, arguably poor troop dispositions, and increased welfare for urban populations. Its literature and (apparently) internal documents became so florid as to be unintelligible (thus protecting their authors, who couldn't be charged with saying the wrong thing when they had, in fact, said nothing). Roman society had been stripped down to something something horrible that, nevertheless, could be understood, hence staffed and run, by the truly stupid. Dutton, _At our wits end_, suggested an increasing genetic burden that reduced the supply of smart people as the underlying cause of the failure, and it may well have been a significant contributor.

    4] Mao's party (with help from Stalins' Russian) won a three way fight with the Japanese and the KMT, both of whom also wanted to replace the previous Chinese society.

    5] Colin Woodward.
    _American Nations_
    http://www.colinwoodard.com/americannations.html

    6] William H. McNeill.
    _A World History_.
    Oxford: Oxford University Press; 4th edition. (First published 1967).
    ISBN 0-19-511616-X
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._McNeill_(historian)

    7] For example, Imperial Spain was financed by gold from the Americas. This was made possible by the discovery by Europeans of the Americas in 1492. That was made possible by the invention of highly automated (with pulleys and rigging) and very rugged ships by the Dutch, who wanted to minimize crew in order to increase cargo/crew ratio, hence profitability. But the gold from the Americas destabilized all of Europe as Imperial Spain tried to extinguish the Protestant heresy to secure it's Northern flank prior to clearing Islamic land forces from Eastern Europe as it had cleared Islamic naval forces from the Mediterranean after winning the Battle of Lepanto. This gave Europe the 30 Year's War, one so horrible that when it was done the Treaty of Westphalia completely changed the basis of European society. The Islamic forces in Easter Europe were eventually defeated (more or less) by the various Eastern European national populations.
    Or, to summarize, European innovation eventually protected the Europeans from Islamic invasion, but at the cost of destabilizing European society.

    A similar account could be given of the effect of steam power, medicine, cheap steel, and nitrogen explosives on Europe, which resulted in the World Wars.

    8] Japan re-organized the most rapidly, under the Meiji Restoration, but even Japan had to re-organize twice, the next time being after WW II.

    intriguing point. Japan, China modernised and updated their economies by importing Western know how. They did not import new peoples. So, they remain cohesive…..Japan, China organize themselves around race whereas the West organizes itself around short term economic gain.
    Europeans take for granted what makes their societies work or used to work.

  55. Anonymous[151] • Disclaimer says:

    This is about the spat in which NYT columnist Roxane Gay (who enjoys Intersectional Pokemon Points for being black, a woman, and obese) called the NYT’s deputy Washington editor Jonathan Weisman “unqualified” and he demanded an “enormous apology” from her. He wound up demoted, which probably tells you something about who is higher up on the diversity totem pole.

    Weisman’s tribe are higher up on the totem pole. The only inference to draw here is that showcasing a Jewish person prevailing over a Black woman on a stage as high profile as the New York Times is not perceived as being “good for the Jews.” It makes sense to sacrifice Weisman for the cause.

  56. @Lot
    She would bring a certain gravity to the position.

    https://media.newyorker.com/photos/59499bec150d515ee8582e78/16:9/w_1200,h_630,c_limit/St-Felix_Roxane-Gay.jpg

    https://typeset-beta.imgix.net/rehost%2F2016%2F9%2F13%2Fde6a9fc3-93d2-4048-b5f0-fa64ede16988.jpg

    There is royalty in America–this is the Queen.

    Do we laugh or cry?

    It is also hilarious that the Times wants to talk about “class”.

    The rich and powerful decide who writes for the newspaper and what they write.

    Now more than ever.

  57. Anonymous[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    They don't even try to pretend anymore. Probably what the angst at the NY Times is really about is that they don't have as big a budget as they ought to. Any decent propaganda outfit in the old Soviet Union, Red China, Cuba, or Oceana would have had a bigger share of the nations budget available to it, and RESPECT too, dammit! Those other organizations, back when Communism wasn't so half-assed, would not have had to put up with the nominally-gay, obese black blob of human protoplasm having anything to do with the assignment of work and the seniority list.

    That was a really hard story, by the way, let’s not forget that.
     
    Just WTF does he mean by "hard" here? Doing the reporting is not hard. You just report what this guy said, what that guy said, what happened here, and what happened there. I guess it is "hard" if the job is working for years to make some narrative work out to your liking. Just listen to this following crap, and replace "cover" with "generate" and "coverage" with "story generation" and you can see what the actual job of the NY Times is:

    I mean, the vision for coverage for the next two years is what I talked about earlier: How do we cover a guy who makes these kinds of remarks? How do we cover the world’s reaction to him? How do we do that while continuing to cover his policies? How do we cover America, that’s become so divided by Donald Trump? How do we grapple...
     
    Grappling is what happens when the truth doesn't fit the narrative well enough. Gotta grabble ...

    It's just time to do what should have been done long ago by the Clinton Administration, Let's go ahead and put the NY Times on-budget, so they can get the job done!

    Just WTF does he mean by “hard” here? Doing the reporting is not hard. You just report what this guy said, what that guy said, what happened here, and what happened there. I guess it is “hard” if the job is working for years to make some narrative work out to your liking.

    Good points. Good post.

  58. My local urban black newspaper doesn’t spill as much ink on ‘racism’ as the decidedly more white staff and readership of the WaPo or NYT. If you went to the homepage of either paper, based on the content you’d think America in 2019 was just like S. Africa under apartheid and these outlets were the only voice the downtrodden had.

    Instead the target audience is overwhelmingly whites who mostly don’t live near any diversity at all, make sure their kids don’t go to school with the wrong sort, but who are more radical on racial issues than the actual minority groups they champion themselves are.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    "Instead the target audience is overwhelmingly whites who mostly don’t live near any diversity at all, make sure their kids don’t go to school with the wrong sort, but who are more radical on racial issues than the actual minority groups they champion themselves are."

    Very accurate observation.
    , @Kronos
    Their philosophy for the last few decades is “offense is the best defense.” By co-oping the racial movements early (BLM, El Raza) they won’t get targeted (at least not first.)
  59. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    This intense fixation on race, all the while denying the reality of race, will be the downfall of America.

    It’s a problem that can never really be solved, so its wise to at least let it burn quietly in the background. Ramping up the hostility will make things intolerable to pretty much everyone. Sounds like big trouble ahead.

  60. Well, this was evident, but its main conclusion: Make America Great Again actually means Make America White Again will end up with more & more people reacting like this: yeah, and ? What’s your point?

  61. @AnotherDad

    At this point I’m starting to feel a little sorry for Baquet who at least comes across as a grown-up. In contrast, much of the Great Awokening seems like a Schoolgirl Snit by young women on staff.
     
    No sympathy from me.

    This last ten years has indeed made it very, very clear that allowing young women--women who've never even pushed a baby out of their vagina, much less nursed him, changed him, raised him ... gathered any perspective on life whatsoever--to spout off in a nation's media is a recipe for disaster. A farsical, crazy, intensely stupid, "Schoolgirl Snit" disaster, but a true disaster for the nation nonetheless.

    But ... it is precisely the "grown ups" in elite media, ike Dean Baquet who are enabling it. If he wanted to he could be setting a standard that NYT reporters can't run around like 14 year old girls, yelling "racist" all the time. That they actually have to do reportage and get the facts. And if they are reporting on opinions and perspectives they must give the deplorable opinion equal time as well.

    But, of course, Baquet does not want to do this. He wants completely slanted stories that fit the narrative, he just wishes he could reign in his squawking squad of estrogen addled shrews a bit and get somewhat less stupid, more sophisticated, narrative compliant stories. 'f him!

    The girls really aren't the problem. They are just acting like girls. Their writing is stupid because they are a) young and b) women. Like most women they are deeply status conscious and approval seeking and this narrative is what they have been taught, what they are supposed to think and ergo what they deeply believe.

    It is the people who have hired them and publish them that are the problem.

    If the girlies get to do the “Whole country was built by racists” line running up to the election , it could be a wonderful thing for the remaining sane people in the US. (i.e.White people)

  62. @IHTG
    New Woke Times.

    New Woke Times.

    Language is important, and this is actually pretty good!!! Not up there with “social justice warrior” or “political correctness,” but it could maybe fly a little lower and still serve the cause.

  63. I truly despise these people. If the NY Times building imploded and everyone inside it was killed, I would be absolutely delighted.

    • Agree: William Badwhite
  64. @Digital Samizdat

    Staffer: ... I just feel like racism is in everything. It should be considered in our science reporting, in our culture reporting, in our national reporting.
     
    Not in our sports reporting though!

    You haven’t been keeping up with sports. They already portray Colin Kaepernick and other protesting NFL players as victims of racism. Kyle Korver, a white NBA player wrote an article in an online publication denouncing his white privilege last year. The focus has been on sexism lately, especially the U.S. women’s soccer team getting paid less then the men for bringing in about 15% of the revenue the men do.

  65. @The Wild Geese Howard
    MAN THE HARPOONS!

    MAN THE HARPOONS!

    Gregory Peck seemed like a regular guy who wasn’t into any of that Hollywood naughty stuff, so I doubt very much he would’ve liked to have been ensnarled or strapped to that mulatto woman with harpoon ropes.

    Harpoon makes good beer, that’s a more pleasant thought than thinking of that NY Times mulatto whale Roxane Gay with the forearm tattoos.

    Man the harpoons!

    Gregory Peck: No thank you! I’ll let my pleasant wife cut my hair while I’m being interviewed to promote a movie project.

  66. Someone should have said, “But boss, what about the genocide of the elephants in Africa, the insect apocalypse and the worldwide extirpation of the rain forests?” Since “climate change” has become a punch line for everyone except a few fanatics.

  67. @Harry Baldwin
    It occurs to me that the reason Roxane Gay got so offended when Weisman demanded an “enormous apology” from her was that she thought his use of the adjective "enormous" was a subtle dig at her thighs.

    Funny! It hadn’t occurred to me but now that you point it out (even if tongue in cheek) it obviously was a dig.

  68. The more they use the word racism the less it will come to mean.

  69. @Lot
    She would bring a certain gravity to the position.

    https://media.newyorker.com/photos/59499bec150d515ee8582e78/16:9/w_1200,h_630,c_limit/St-Felix_Roxane-Gay.jpg

    https://typeset-beta.imgix.net/rehost%2F2016%2F9%2F13%2Fde6a9fc3-93d2-4048-b5f0-fa64ede16988.jpg

    Fat, black… and tats?

    What’s the probability she really is “gay,” too? I’d guess about 98%…

    • Replies: @fish

    What’s the probability she really is “gay,” too? I’d guess about 98%…
     
    Perhaps only out of necessity.......I see heterosexual consummation as a practical impossibility.
    , @Lot
    She sometimes identifies as queer.
    , @Kronos
    Either way, she’d pose a substantial physical risk to a potential partner from suffocation and/or being crushed to death.
  70. @Colin Wright
    The irony is that racism isn't even necessarily that important.

    I'm very and avowedly racist towards blacks, but I've had perfectly satisfactory relations with black employees and clients. Conversely, I assume various blacks and Hispanics and Asians have harbored racist sentiments towards me, but it hasn't interfered with our conducting business.

    It's a bit like if we're of opposite genders and I think you're good looking. Well, that doesn't necessarily dominate our transaction. I think you've got a nice rack. So what? I'm racist...so what?

    To put it yet another way; I'll offer you two choices. I can be a racist who hates your group but an auto mechanic who knows his job and takes pride in his work -- or I can be an incompetent who makes his money by defrauding his customers, but I just love your skin color the bestest.

    Who do you want fixing your car? Racism and who feels it just isn't necessarily of overwhelming importance in all contexts.

    As has often been said in my field as well as others: Competence is the ultimate compassion.

  71. “Tiny bit flat-footed…”

    Comic genius.

  72. Looks like this article is part of their new racism focus:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/14/us/anti-immigration-cordelia-scaife-may.html

    • Replies: @jb
    The Times has dropped any pretense of neutrality and has gone into full attack mode. This is very disturbing, because an awful lot of influential people get their opinions from the pages of the New York Times.
  73. @AnotherDad

    How do we cover America, that’s become so divided by Donald Trump?
     
    These people really think like that. Donald Trump divided America? Seriously? Absolutely zero self-awareness.

    No America is divided because there is an elite group of people--very prominent at the NYT--who have contempt for the founding and core population of the United States. Are over-the-top full of themselves and hence can not admit that that American core population are pretty decent people whose culture, capabilities and character is precisely why America is a darn nice place. This elite group's attitude, and the minoritarian ideology they created and propagated to tear down and insult America's founding and core population is why America is divided.

    Donald Trump has shit-all to do with it. No, Trump in his bumbling way just exposes this division that these people have been creating and exacerbating for a couple generations. Basically because Trump doesn't precisely spout their tune, and he irritates them and excites their paranoia, which has gotten them amped up--with ever more strident denunciations of "deplorable", "racist" core America--and that has actually exacerbated the division.

    “These people really think like that. Donald Trump divided America? Seriously? Absolutely zero self-awareness.”
    I think they are perfectly self-aware. Remember, they are essentially ant-hill style totalitarians. They envision a society in which everyone believes the same things, because those things are true philosophically even if not factually, obeys an elite class, and belongs to the same UniParty. Donald Trump and his followers fail to follow their program, therefore they are “dividing” the country into people on board and people not in board. Notice that in every political disagreement the Democrats always open with the accusation that Republicans are being “divisive”. In their minds you can’t have any sticks escaping from the bundle of sticks wrapped around an axe.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    Nice ending! Bravo.
    , @anon
    Dogmatic people can lie, and believe their own lie, all at the same time. They can be motivated by greed and selfish power interests, and feel righteous that they are motivated by noble virtues, all at the same time. They can be shrewdly manipulative and lacking in self-awareness, all at the same time. Dogma blots out a lot of other mental and moral functions and takes over the brain. Dogmatic belief cancels any concerns about Truth and Fairness.
  74. The Democrat/Legacy Media strategy is obvious. Continually cry racism, call Trump and his minions racists, call them white supremacists, in order to get out the non-white vote for the Democrat Presidential candidate in 15 months on November 3rd 2020. The Dems and their media complex are starting early this time around, but really they always ramp up lies before a Presidential year election. The classic used to be making senior citizens fearful that their SS and Medicare would be cut mercilessly by Republicans. But the Dem appeals these days is to minorities, they are the party of the non-whites, the gays, the non-married women, and all minorities, be they blacks, invading Central Americans or Asians who just got off the banana boat last week.

  75. @Arclight
    My local urban black newspaper doesn't spill as much ink on 'racism' as the decidedly more white staff and readership of the WaPo or NYT. If you went to the homepage of either paper, based on the content you'd think America in 2019 was just like S. Africa under apartheid and these outlets were the only voice the downtrodden had.

    Instead the target audience is overwhelmingly whites who mostly don't live near any diversity at all, make sure their kids don't go to school with the wrong sort, but who are more radical on racial issues than the actual minority groups they champion themselves are.

    “Instead the target audience is overwhelmingly whites who mostly don’t live near any diversity at all, make sure their kids don’t go to school with the wrong sort, but who are more radical on racial issues than the actual minority groups they champion themselves are.”

    Very accurate observation.

    • Agree: David In TN
  76. the spectacular failure of their Plan A: Russia Mania.

    The decision of many “conservatives” to stick with Trump despite his collusion with Russian officials and his public admiration for a Russian leader who is an avowed enemy of the United States will have a lot of longer term repercussions. It is clear that a lot of people on the so-called right are not patriots in any traditional American sense, but have chosen ethnocentrism over country. Even more pathetic when you realize that neither Putin nor Trump are ethnocentric in the least, they are simply wannabe gangsters trying to maximize their personal wealth and power.

    • Replies: @Jack D

    despite his collusion with Russian officials
     
    Please get with the times (or the Times). "Trump Colluded with the Russians" was yesterday's meme. Mueller's crew and the FBI and the Democrat Party and the press (an overlapping group) spent the last 3 years and countless millions of $ trying to launch that rocket but it was so full of holes that it never got off the ground - it blew up on the launch pad like one of Putin's nuclear powered missiles. Mueller's appearance before Congress was the last desperate Hail Mary attempt to deploy that Wunder Waffe and it fizzled spectacularly. Mueller turned out to be a doddering old man - he was no von Braun.

    You'll note that since a day or two after his appearance, all mention of Mueller and his report has disappeared from the press as thoroughly as if he were Dr. Professor Blasey Ford or Alicia Machado - these Stakhanov's are just props that the Party wheels onto the stage. As long as they are Useful Idiots they are national heroes and when the show flops they are discarded and never heard from again.

    Please follow the Party Line henceforth, comrade. "Trump is a Racist" is the theme of the day until further notice.

    , @peterike

    The decision of many “conservatives” to stick with Trump despite his collusion with Russian officials and his public admiration for a Russian leader who is an avowed enemy of the United States will have a lot of longer term repercussions.
     
    Wow. Lots of work to unravel all the lies and nonsense you packed into a single sentence. For starters, you just take Trump's "collusion" for granted, which makes you an idiot who probably believes what he hears on CNN. At this point in the affair, to still be hanging on to "collusion" qualifies you for nothing more than a dunce cap.

    And how is Putin an "avowed enemy" of the United States? Abject stupidity.


    It is clear that a lot of people on the so-called right are not patriots in any traditional American sense,

     

    You mean the "traditional American sense" of patriotism that equals fighting the Jews' wars for them? Seems to me that avoiding wars in which Americans are killed and soaked for money for another nation's benefit is pretty damn patriotic.

    Even more pathetic when you realize that neither Putin nor Trump are ethnocentric in the least, they are simply wannabe gangsters trying to maximize their personal wealth and power.

     

    Sadly, Trump isn't nearly as ethnocentric as one would hope. Putin at least looks out for his country at some level. The notion that Trump is using the Presidency to maximize his wealth and power is, again, so abjectly stupid, so patently false on its face, that one wonders if you really are one of the stupidest nitwits in the world, or just a hack propagandists that's not very good at his job.
    , @J.Ross
    This is gibberish, but it's dumber when you consider exactly which conservative leader, who is not colliding with the enemies of our nation, we were supposed to support -- Mexican Jeb? Israeli McCain? Chinese McConnell? Globalist Romney? You come to expect to find a "Republican" who is always suspiciously apologetic about the DPRK.
    , @Alden
    But Trump didn’t collude with any Russians to be elected. So what’s your point? Less than 1 percent of the population reads the New York Times.
    , @ben tillman

    The decision of many “conservatives” to stick with Trump despite his collusion with Russian officials and his public admiration for a Russian leader who is an avowed enemy of the United States . . . .
     
    In our Congress, 100% of elected Democrats and 99% of elected Republicans have a clearer avowed enmity to the United States.
  77. @SND
    The NYT is self -destructing but at least racism refers to something real: everyone's a racist -Asians, Blacks, Hispanics & whites. Of course the who-whom gets all confused, but there is a who & a whom. In contrast, the Russian collusion prior story was an obvious total hoax from the get-go. It's good for the NYT to get off that & go somewhere else.

    everyone’s a racist — Asians, Blacks, Hispanics & whites

    Maybe you’ve just put your finger on the best defense against tge racism accusation: “I’m a racist? Isn’t everyone a racist? Let’s first define racism…” And then get into things like blacks objecting to gentrification, latinos joining forces to demand entry to the country, China blocking all immigration, etc.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    This has already been taken care of by the Left. In all seriousness, the academic circles of the Left have defined racism as something that only privileged (white) people are capable of. When oppressed peoples do the same thing that white people do in reverse, it's not racism, by definition. Problem solved!

    Now this may sound like circular logic or Alice in Wonderland thinking to you, but to the Left this is a widely accepted explanation so they don't lose any sleep over the (definitially non-existent) racism of non-whites.
    , @jb
    "Define what you mean by racism" is a good response. Racism can mean anything from believing that non-whites are mud people fit only for servitude, all the way to simply rejecting the notion of white privilege. I'm definitely not the first kind of racist. But if the definition of racism has changed so radically that you are talking about the second kind, I will not only own it, I will make a point of saying that what this country needs is more racism.
    , @guest
    You might as well defend yourself by saying you have a black friend.

    No way they let you pin them down on a definition.
  78. @Hypnotoad666
    The speech that the NYT editor would have given to these staffers circa 1960 (and should have given now): "Just get your facts straight and get your stories in on time. This place doesn't exist for you to indulge your personal politics. So stop your f*cking bitching and get back to work. Oh yeah, if you don't like that deal, then you're fired. Got it."

    stop your f*cking bitching

    In 1960 he would have said kvetching and everyone would have understood him.

  79. @AnotherDad

    At this point I’m starting to feel a little sorry for Baquet who at least comes across as a grown-up. In contrast, much of the Great Awokening seems like a Schoolgirl Snit by young women on staff.
     
    No sympathy from me.

    This last ten years has indeed made it very, very clear that allowing young women--women who've never even pushed a baby out of their vagina, much less nursed him, changed him, raised him ... gathered any perspective on life whatsoever--to spout off in a nation's media is a recipe for disaster. A farsical, crazy, intensely stupid, "Schoolgirl Snit" disaster, but a true disaster for the nation nonetheless.

    But ... it is precisely the "grown ups" in elite media, ike Dean Baquet who are enabling it. If he wanted to he could be setting a standard that NYT reporters can't run around like 14 year old girls, yelling "racist" all the time. That they actually have to do reportage and get the facts. And if they are reporting on opinions and perspectives they must give the deplorable opinion equal time as well.

    But, of course, Baquet does not want to do this. He wants completely slanted stories that fit the narrative, he just wishes he could reign in his squawking squad of estrogen addled shrews a bit and get somewhat less stupid, more sophisticated, narrative compliant stories. 'f him!

    The girls really aren't the problem. They are just acting like girls. Their writing is stupid because they are a) young and b) women. Like most women they are deeply status conscious and approval seeking and this narrative is what they have been taught, what they are supposed to think and ergo what they deeply believe.

    It is the people who have hired them and publish them that are the problem.

    The Times will need even more emotion-driven-hysterics, and correspondingly fewer wonky legal correspondents, if the plan is to shift from Russiagate to Racism.

  80. I just feel like racism is in everything. It should be considered in our science reporting, in our culture reporting, in our national reporting.

    Everything within the State, nothing without the State. The Gleichschaltung must extend to all aspects of German American society.

    • Replies: @Flip
    That was Mussolini.
  81. @Alfa158
    “These people really think like that. Donald Trump divided America? Seriously? Absolutely zero self-awareness.”
    I think they are perfectly self-aware. Remember, they are essentially ant-hill style totalitarians. They envision a society in which everyone believes the same things, because those things are true philosophically even if not factually, obeys an elite class, and belongs to the same UniParty. Donald Trump and his followers fail to follow their program, therefore they are “dividing” the country into people on board and people not in board. Notice that in every political disagreement the Democrats always open with the accusation that Republicans are being “divisive”. In their minds you can’t have any sticks escaping from the bundle of sticks wrapped around an axe.

    Nice ending! Bravo.

  82. @International Jew

    everyone’s a racist — Asians, Blacks, Hispanics & whites
     
    Maybe you've just put your finger on the best defense against tge racism accusation: "I'm a racist? Isn't everyone a racist? Let's first define racism..." And then get into things like blacks objecting to gentrification, latinos joining forces to demand entry to the country, China blocking all immigration, etc.

    This has already been taken care of by the Left. In all seriousness, the academic circles of the Left have defined racism as something that only privileged (white) people are capable of. When oppressed peoples do the same thing that white people do in reverse, it’s not racism, by definition. Problem solved!

    Now this may sound like circular logic or Alice in Wonderland thinking to you, but to the Left this is a widely accepted explanation so they don’t lose any sleep over the (definitially non-existent) racism of non-whites.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    That is true about hardcore leftists, but talking to them about anything is now a waste of time. I'm thinking of what I can say to the many people who are at heart still liberals in the true sense but who have been swept up in the all-engulfing tide of illiberal leftist propaganda.
  83. @Steve Johnson
    @Hypnotoad666 - are you kidding? Pre-1960s NYT "Just get your facts straight and get your stories in on time"?

    Look up Walter Duranty.

    As to the original post - there's only really one possible explanation for this behavior out of Dean Baquet - Putin got to him.

    – are you kidding? Pre-1960s NYT “Just get your facts straight and get your stories in on time”?

    Look up Walter Duranty.

    I actually thought about him briefly before I made my comment. But I don’t know the story well enough to say whether he was indicative of the whole paper at that time or was just a true-believer commie tool acting on his own initiative.

    But . . . since you brought him up, I would suggest to the NYT that they clear a space for their 2018 Russia Hoax Pulitzer right next to their 1932 Russia Hoax Pulitzer. They will make a nice set of bookends. https://www.pulitzer.org/news/statement-walter-duranty

    Statement on Walter Duranty’s 1932 Prize
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    After more than six months of study and deliberation, the Pulitzer Prize Board has decided it will not revoke the foreign reporting prize awarded in 1932 to Walter Duranty of The New York Times.

    In recent months, much attention has been paid to Mr. Duranty’s dispatches regarding the famine in the Soviet Union in 1932-1933, which have been criticized as gravely defective. However, a Pulitzer Prize for reporting is awarded not for the author’s body of work or for the author’s character but for the specific pieces entered in the competition. Therefore, the board focused its attention on the 13 articles that actually won the prize, articles written and published during 1931. [A complete list of the articles, with dates and headlines, is below.]

    In its review of the 13 articles, the Board determined that Mr. Duranty’s 1931 work, measured by today’s standards for foreign reporting, falls seriously short. In that regard, the Board’s view is similar to that of The New York Times itself and of some scholars who have examined his 1931 reports. However, the board concluded that there was not clear and convincing evidence of deliberate deception, the relevant standard in this case. Revoking a prize 71 years after it was awarded under different circumstances, when all principals are dead and unable to respond, would be a momentous step and therefore would have to rise to that threshold.

    The famine of 1932-1933 was horrific and has not received the international attention it deserves. By its decision, the board in no way wishes to diminish the gravity of that loss. The Board extends its sympathy to Ukrainians and others in the United States and throughout the world who still mourn the suffering and deaths brought on by Josef Stalin.

    Walter Duranty’s 13 articles in 1931 submitted for 1932 Pulitzer Prize

    Eleven-part series in The New York Times

    Duranty 1 6/14/1931 – “Red Russia of Today Ruled by Stalinism, Not Communism”
    Duranty 2 6/16/1931 – “Socialism First Aim in Soviet’s Program; Trade Gains Second”
    Duranty 3 6/18/1931 – “Stalinism Shelves World Revolt Idea; To Win Russia First”
    Duranty 4 6/19/1931 – “Industrial Success Emboldens Soviet in New World Policy”
    Duranty 5 6/20/1931 – “Trade Equilibrium is New Soviet Goal”
    Duranty 6 6/22/1931 – “Soviet Fixes Opinion by Widest Control”
    Duranty 7 6/23/1931 – “Soviet Censorship Hurts Russia Most”
    Duranty 8 6/24/1931 – “Stalinism Smashes Foes in Marx’s Name”
    Duranty 9 6/25/1931 – “Red Army is Held No Menace to Peace”
    Duranty 10 6/26/1931 – “Stalinism Solving Minorities Problem”
    Duranty 11 6/27/1931 – “Stalinism’s Mark is Party Discipline”
    Two articles in The New York Times magazine

    Duranty 12 3/29/1931 – “The Russian Looks at the World”
    Duranty 13 12/20/1931 – “Stalin’s Russia Is An Echo of Iron Ivan’s”

  84. I like to think that in AD 425 the mostly Germanic staff of the Rome Picayune had the same meeting regarding ‘Latin Privilege’. For how that meeting went, see the Monty Python Life of Brian scene ‘what have the Romans ever done for us?’

  85. @Hypnotoad666

    If there were Nuremberg Trials for Journalism Malpractice, the whole Times staff would be on trial !
     
    It would be a fascinating case study in leftist institution-capture to understand how this came to pass. Did it start from the top down as a conscious plan to hire only SJW reporters? Or did the conformist SJW culture just organically grow up to repel all objective and fair-minded journalists?

    This leftist take-over dynamic is so common it needs to be better understood.

    …leftist institution-capture to understand how this came to pass

    Simple, in British media they call it having a Pakistani guy at a meeting. The main dynamic at workplaces is career preservation and politeness. When a single identity-conscious person is added to a team, the behaviour quickly adjusts – and it is all downhill after that. It doesn’t even matter whether the POC person cares or has any views, their mere presence leads to obsessive polite adjustments and eventually to a mental surrender. It is easier that way. Look at that 400-pound buff black lady from NY Times, who can to argue with that?

    Historically, the ultra-polite accommodation was a feminine trait, but all professionals are ‘women-like’ now. Eventually the marginals realise that there is zero resistance and push all the way through, that sorry Dean Baquet won’t last long. That meeting he held was a severance negotiation move to make sure he is not simply dumped as a ‘racist’.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    that sorry Dean Baquet won’t last long. That meeting he held was a severance negotiation move to make sure he is not simply dumped as a ‘racist’.
     
    That's an interesting take.

    Given that the audience consisted entirely of professional leakers and attention-whores, everyone in the room had to know that the whole affair was effectively being live streamed to social media. So it is fair to assume that public posturing was one of the objectives.

  86. @San Fernando Curt

    "How do we write about race in a thoughtful way, something we haven’t done in a large way in a long time?"
     
    I agree. The Times has engaged in far too much frivolous racism reportage. I can't imagine what Banquet meant with this thought. But I suspect he knows that racism as issue and presumably nonfiction subject is all dried up. It's necessary excuse for consistent failure of some segments of the country, but it has become irrelevant with overuse, over-attention, overspent social salvation projects, and overwrought emotion. He's looking for a way to put some more gas in an old heap with a blown engine. Without this cover story of innate white evil holding back the colored folk, we are left on way with explanation that they are chronic underachieving losers.

    His reminder, though, that the Times won two Pulitzers trying to convince the nation that collusion was real and there was a Russian bot under every bed is fall off the barstool hilarious.

    His reminder, though, that the Times won two Pulitzers trying to convince the nation that collusion was real and there was a Russian bot under every bed is fall off the barstool hilarious.

    Two Pulitzers for fake news, and he pats himself on the back. Good grief.

    Baquet: “And I think we covered that story better than anybody else.”

    Yeah, keep thinking that…

  87. @Dan Hayes
    Hynotoad666:

    What we are witnessing is the final stages of Gramsci's long march through the institutions. Its fulsome objectives of producing SJWs have been reached, with the institutional incubators ranging from graduate and journalism schools down to kindergartens!

    What we are witnessing is the final stages of Gramsci’s long march through the institutions. Its fulsome objectives of producing SJWs have been reached, with the institutional incubators ranging from graduate and journalism schools down to kindergartens!

    You got that right . . . apparently the entire state of California is poised to go full SJW with mandatory anti-white training in the public schools. https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/california-to-become-yugoslavia-ethnic-studies/

    The following is not, repeat NOT, parody. This is really happening in California:

    Here’s a link to the “model curriculum” put forth by the state. I strongly urge you to read it. Here are some excerpts:

    At its core, the field of Ethnic Studies is the interdisciplinary study of race, ethnicity, and indigeneity with an emphasis on experiences of people of color in the United States. Further, it is the xdisciplinary [sic], loving, and critical praxis of holistic humanity – as educational and racial justice. It is from communities of color and our intergenerational worldviews, memories, experiences, identities, narratives, and voices. It is the study of intersectional and ancestral roots, coloniality, hegemony, and a dignified world where many worlds fit, for present and future generations.

    The field critically grapples with the various power structures and forms of oppression, including, but not limited to, white supremacy, race and racism, sexism, classism, homophobia, islamophobia, transphobia, and xenophobia, that continue to impact the social, emotional, cultural, economic, and political experiences of Native People/s and people of color.

    Ethnic Studies is xdisciplinary, in that it variously takes the forms of being interdisciplinary, multidisciplinary, transdisciplinary, undisciplinary, and intradisciplinary. As such, it can grow its original language to serve these needs with purposeful respellings of terms, including history as herstory and women as womxn, connecting with a gender and sexuality lens, along with a socioeconomic class lens at three of its intersections. Terms utilized throughout this document, which may be unfamiliar to new practitioners of the field, are defined in the glossary.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    xdisciplinary I liked best.
    Other than that - it is mind-numbing stuff. The closest you can get to being stoned without taking a drug.

    Quite a bad trip though.

  88. @AnotherDad

    How do we cover America, that’s become so divided by Donald Trump?
     
    These people really think like that. Donald Trump divided America? Seriously? Absolutely zero self-awareness.

    No America is divided because there is an elite group of people--very prominent at the NYT--who have contempt for the founding and core population of the United States. Are over-the-top full of themselves and hence can not admit that that American core population are pretty decent people whose culture, capabilities and character is precisely why America is a darn nice place. This elite group's attitude, and the minoritarian ideology they created and propagated to tear down and insult America's founding and core population is why America is divided.

    Donald Trump has shit-all to do with it. No, Trump in his bumbling way just exposes this division that these people have been creating and exacerbating for a couple generations. Basically because Trump doesn't precisely spout their tune, and he irritates them and excites their paranoia, which has gotten them amped up--with ever more strident denunciations of "deplorable", "racist" core America--and that has actually exacerbated the division.

    They love, love, love diversity–they demand conformity.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    White progressives love diversity when it comes in the form of a restaurant. Then they receive their car from the valet and drive back home to their majority white neighborhoods.
    , @David In TN
    "They love, love, love diversity--they demand conformity."

    I was talking politics with my former college history teacher. I remarked on the left wing only stance the Party had. He replied "The Democratic Party is a very diverse party."

    I answered, "Where is the diversity of opinion? Where are Democrats allowed to be, for example, against abortion or for border security?"

    My ex-professor was almost speechless. He finally mumbled, "Well the Party doesn't have that kind of diversity."
  89. @Peter Akuleyev
    the spectacular failure of their Plan A: Russia Mania.

    The decision of many "conservatives" to stick with Trump despite his collusion with Russian officials and his public admiration for a Russian leader who is an avowed enemy of the United States will have a lot of longer term repercussions. It is clear that a lot of people on the so-called right are not patriots in any traditional American sense, but have chosen ethnocentrism over country. Even more pathetic when you realize that neither Putin nor Trump are ethnocentric in the least, they are simply wannabe gangsters trying to maximize their personal wealth and power.

    despite his collusion with Russian officials

    Please get with the times (or the Times). “Trump Colluded with the Russians” was yesterday’s meme. Mueller’s crew and the FBI and the Democrat Party and the press (an overlapping group) spent the last 3 years and countless millions of $ trying to launch that rocket but it was so full of holes that it never got off the ground – it blew up on the launch pad like one of Putin’s nuclear powered missiles. Mueller’s appearance before Congress was the last desperate Hail Mary attempt to deploy that Wunder Waffe and it fizzled spectacularly. Mueller turned out to be a doddering old man – he was no von Braun.

    You’ll note that since a day or two after his appearance, all mention of Mueller and his report has disappeared from the press as thoroughly as if he were Dr. Professor Blasey Ford or Alicia Machado – these Stakhanov’s are just props that the Party wheels onto the stage. As long as they are Useful Idiots they are national heroes and when the show flops they are discarded and never heard from again.

    Please follow the Party Line henceforth, comrade. “Trump is a Racist” is the theme of the day until further notice.

    • Agree: Alden
    • LOL: MBlanc46
    • Replies: @David In TN
    The first theme was "Trump is Hitler." That one lasted a while.

    Then it was "Trump is a womanizing abuser of women." Yeah, liberals never have supported politicians with those traits.

    Then it was "Trump is a Russian agent." They though this was enough for impeachment.

    Now its back to "Trump is a racist."
  90. @Mr McKenna
    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/06/15/arts/15xp-roxanegay/14xp-roxanegay-superJumbo.jpg

    The sort of 'female' who can get our own T.D. all hot and bothered.

    For extra lulz, check out the filename the NYT gave that jpeg.

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!

  91. This is important because 90% of the MSM, fall in line and parrot the New York Times party line. That includes Abc/nbc/cbs/pbs/cnn/msnbc/Npr AND almost every big city newspaper. Its seems incredible, but they all follow the lead of NYT or WaPo. That’s why we have 50 different national news outlets saying the same thing about the same stories.

  92. @Reg Cæsar

    Roxane Gay (who enjoys Intersectional Pokemon Points for being black, a woman, and obese)
     
    And Gay, if not gay.

    No commenter on this forum has any Pokemon points, except for Snorlax, who has them literally.

    "Snorlax", by the way, sounds like the trademark for a combination sleeping pill and purgative. Which could be messy.

    https://i.redd.it/dht7syalcyb31.jpg

    Is it OK to admit I’ve no idea what any of that graphic pertains to? (Nor do I need to know.)

    Probably makes me racist…

  93. @Hypnotoad666

    If there were Nuremberg Trials for Journalism Malpractice, the whole Times staff would be on trial !
     
    It would be a fascinating case study in leftist institution-capture to understand how this came to pass. Did it start from the top down as a conscious plan to hire only SJW reporters? Or did the conformist SJW culture just organically grow up to repel all objective and fair-minded journalists?

    This leftist take-over dynamic is so common it needs to be better understood.

    It starts in the colleges where students are indoctrinated, not taught. This has gotten worse as the decades have passed.

    I worked in a newsroom in the ’80s, and while the newer journalist were definitely liberal (as are most young people), they pursued “objectivity” first and foremost. By the 2000s, the new journalists on staff virtually all had agendas. This one wanted to “queer the section.” That one wanted to expose the history of various injustices. Etc. All of them listened to NPR and had a specific worldview, and you didn’t challenge it because “Racism!” and the HR department.

    With just a few such hires, the newsroom culture transformed. There’s your modern-day newsroom.

  94. @Hypnotoad666
    The speech that the NYT editor would have given to these staffers circa 1960 (and should have given now): "Just get your facts straight and get your stories in on time. This place doesn't exist for you to indulge your personal politics. So stop your f*cking bitching and get back to work. Oh yeah, if you don't like that deal, then you're fired. Got it."

    God forbid they should stop all this “telling our stories” and cover some actual real news stories.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Breaking news from 1619! Black people are coming to America in order to make us Who We Are!

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html

    Given the instant and multi-source nature of the internet and cable news, by the time the NY Times prints a story and delivers it to your doorstep, you have already read about that story 18 hours ago and from ten other sources. If you try to figure out what "All the News that's Fit to Print" is, the answer is none of it, because by the time they print it, it's not news anymore - it's in effect yesterday's newspaper and yesterday's newspaper is only fit for lining bird cages. So, rather than close up shop (as many dailies already have) you go for feature stories like this - hey it beats working for a living.

    The twist to that is that no one really needs these feature stories either - there's no real urgency or emotional investment involved. However, if you turn your newspaper into a political rag, then you can at least excite the Fellow Travelers in the Movement - people didn't buy the Daily Worker for the new stories either. Now in the past this was not a good idea because it meant that you might be alienating half your readership, but with Manhattan voting 86% for Clinton, it's not a risky move anymore. 86% of a loaf is better than none, which is what they would have if they were still printing straight news stories.
  95. @Digital Samizdat

    Staffer: ... I just feel like racism is in everything. It should be considered in our science reporting, in our culture reporting, in our national reporting.
     
    Not in our sports reporting though!

    USA Today’s sports harpies already have racism, sexism and genderism fully covered

  96. @Lot
    She would bring a certain gravity to the position.

    https://media.newyorker.com/photos/59499bec150d515ee8582e78/16:9/w_1200,h_630,c_limit/St-Felix_Roxane-Gay.jpg

    https://typeset-beta.imgix.net/rehost%2F2016%2F9%2F13%2Fde6a9fc3-93d2-4048-b5f0-fa64ede16988.jpg

    Good grief!!!!

  97. @SFG
    The funny thing is, if you read the damn thing, he's actually trying to get them to froth at the mouth less when denouncing Trump. As in, just print what the guy writes, that's bad enough.

    But his minions (and, I'll bet, their readers) want to drag editorializing into the news section.

    Arguably we're just going back to the press of the 19th century when every paper had an opinion. You wanted to be informed, you just read multiple sources.

    I guess we need no longer be troubled with any of former editor Weisman’s opinions. Interesting they called this newsroom Donahue Show after Weisman’s abrupt depersonning.

  98. @hhsiii
    Looks like this article is part of their new racism focus:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/14/us/anti-immigration-cordelia-scaife-may.html

    The Times has dropped any pretense of neutrality and has gone into full attack mode. This is very disturbing, because an awful lot of influential people get their opinions from the pages of the New York Times.

  99. @International Jew

    everyone’s a racist — Asians, Blacks, Hispanics & whites
     
    Maybe you've just put your finger on the best defense against tge racism accusation: "I'm a racist? Isn't everyone a racist? Let's first define racism..." And then get into things like blacks objecting to gentrification, latinos joining forces to demand entry to the country, China blocking all immigration, etc.

    “Define what you mean by racism” is a good response. Racism can mean anything from believing that non-whites are mud people fit only for servitude, all the way to simply rejecting the notion of white privilege. I’m definitely not the first kind of racist. But if the definition of racism has changed so radically that you are talking about the second kind, I will not only own it, I will make a point of saying that what this country needs is more racism.

  100. @Peter Akuleyev
    the spectacular failure of their Plan A: Russia Mania.

    The decision of many "conservatives" to stick with Trump despite his collusion with Russian officials and his public admiration for a Russian leader who is an avowed enemy of the United States will have a lot of longer term repercussions. It is clear that a lot of people on the so-called right are not patriots in any traditional American sense, but have chosen ethnocentrism over country. Even more pathetic when you realize that neither Putin nor Trump are ethnocentric in the least, they are simply wannabe gangsters trying to maximize their personal wealth and power.

    The decision of many “conservatives” to stick with Trump despite his collusion with Russian officials and his public admiration for a Russian leader who is an avowed enemy of the United States will have a lot of longer term repercussions.

    Wow. Lots of work to unravel all the lies and nonsense you packed into a single sentence. For starters, you just take Trump’s “collusion” for granted, which makes you an idiot who probably believes what he hears on CNN. At this point in the affair, to still be hanging on to “collusion” qualifies you for nothing more than a dunce cap.

    And how is Putin an “avowed enemy” of the United States? Abject stupidity.

    It is clear that a lot of people on the so-called right are not patriots in any traditional American sense,

    You mean the “traditional American sense” of patriotism that equals fighting the Jews’ wars for them? Seems to me that avoiding wars in which Americans are killed and soaked for money for another nation’s benefit is pretty damn patriotic.

    Even more pathetic when you realize that neither Putin nor Trump are ethnocentric in the least, they are simply wannabe gangsters trying to maximize their personal wealth and power.

    Sadly, Trump isn’t nearly as ethnocentric as one would hope. Putin at least looks out for his country at some level. The notion that Trump is using the Presidency to maximize his wealth and power is, again, so abjectly stupid, so patently false on its face, that one wonders if you really are one of the stupidest nitwits in the world, or just a hack propagandists that’s not very good at his job.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    Thank you. You saved several of us a lot of typing.
  101. @Anonymous
    Remember this, three years ago?

    In much-discussed remarks to his own media columnist James Rutenberg, executive editor Dean Baquet offered a mea culpa for having missed the Donald Trump surprise, though he spoke less for the paper than for journalists in general. “We’ve got to do a much better job of being on the road, out in the country, talking to different kinds of people than we talk to — especially if you happen to be a New York-based news organization — and remind ourselves that New York is not the real world,” Baquet said.

    Public editor Liz Spayd cut closer to the bone, as she marveled at an election-night flip from an 84% Clinton-to-win assessment by the paper’s elaborate data operation, to a 95% likelihood for Trump just a few hours later.

    “As The Times begins a period of self-reflection, I hope its editors will think hard about the half of America the paper too seldom covers,” wrote Spayd.
     
    Now, to reassure the Woke, Baquet must bless the Times with another invocation of the monumental 1619 Project before putting the paper on a path that could lead them into temptation -- such as trying to understand the everyday concerns of prole Americans.

    They sometimes want us to pretend that he was not elected president, but he was elected president. And our job is to figure out why, and how, and to hold the administration to account. If you’re independent, that’s what you do. The same newspaper that this week will publish the 1619 Project, the most ambitious examination of the legacy of slavery ever undertaken in [inaudible] newspaper, to try to understand the forces that led to the election of Donald Trump. And that means trying to understand the segment of America that probably does not read us. The same newspaper that can publish a major story on Fox News, and how some of its commentators purvey anti-immigrant conspiracies, also has to talk to people who think immigration may cost them jobs and who oppose abortion on religious grounds.
     

    “We’ve got to do a much better job of being on the road, out in the country, talking to different kinds of people than we talk to — especially if you happen to be a New York-based news organization — and remind ourselves that New York is not the real world,” Baquet said.

    Of course, when Baquet said this three years ago, the real meaning was: “We need to find that magic key that will free the Deplorables from their mind-shackles and have them thinking like us.” There was zero desire to actually get another point of view. He simply wanted his staff to find out new and better ways to undermine legacy America.

  102. At Breitbart’s coverage of this same megascoop (which I predict will either be memory holed or under-covered by NPR and its ilk):

    Again, I’m not being sarcastic… The New York Times openly admits that anti-Jewish hate crimes don’t interest the Times because white supremacists are not behind them [emphasis added]:

    If anti-Semitism bypasses consideration as a serious problem in New York, it is to some extent because it refuses to conform to an easy narrative with a single ideological enemy. During the past 22 months, not one person caught or identified as the aggressor in an anti-Semitic hate crime has been associated with a far right-wing group, Mark Molinari, commanding officer of the police department’s Hate Crimes Task Force, told me.

  103. @Beckow

    ...leftist institution-capture to understand how this came to pass
     
    Simple, in British media they call it having a Pakistani guy at a meeting. The main dynamic at workplaces is career preservation and politeness. When a single identity-conscious person is added to a team, the behaviour quickly adjusts - and it is all downhill after that. It doesn't even matter whether the POC person cares or has any views, their mere presence leads to obsessive polite adjustments and eventually to a mental surrender. It is easier that way. Look at that 400-pound buff black lady from NY Times, who can to argue with that?

    Historically, the ultra-polite accommodation was a feminine trait, but all professionals are 'women-like' now. Eventually the marginals realise that there is zero resistance and push all the way through, that sorry Dean Baquet won't last long. That meeting he held was a severance negotiation move to make sure he is not simply dumped as a 'racist'.

    that sorry Dean Baquet won’t last long. That meeting he held was a severance negotiation move to make sure he is not simply dumped as a ‘racist’.

    That’s an interesting take.

    Given that the audience consisted entirely of professional leakers and attention-whores, everyone in the room had to know that the whole affair was effectively being live streamed to social media. So it is fair to assume that public posturing was one of the objectives.

    • Replies: @Pirelli
    Dean Baquet comes from a prominent Creole family in New Orleans, so I don’t think he has to worry too much about being called racist. It will be interesting to see how over-the-top this “2019 Project” turns out to be. From what they’ve published so far, it seems like they’re really swinging for the fences. From the description of the Project:

    “...It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our true founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very center of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.”
     
    So take note, Steve: it’s no longer “who we are,” it’s “the story we tell ourselves about who we are.”
  104. @Peter Akuleyev
    the spectacular failure of their Plan A: Russia Mania.

    The decision of many "conservatives" to stick with Trump despite his collusion with Russian officials and his public admiration for a Russian leader who is an avowed enemy of the United States will have a lot of longer term repercussions. It is clear that a lot of people on the so-called right are not patriots in any traditional American sense, but have chosen ethnocentrism over country. Even more pathetic when you realize that neither Putin nor Trump are ethnocentric in the least, they are simply wannabe gangsters trying to maximize their personal wealth and power.

    This is gibberish, but it’s dumber when you consider exactly which conservative leader, who is not colliding with the enemies of our nation, we were supposed to support — Mexican Jeb? Israeli McCain? Chinese McConnell? Globalist Romney? You come to expect to find a “Republican” who is always suspiciously apologetic about the DPRK.

  105. This is bad for us. Trump and his boomer supporters will respond by playing up the token minorities in Conservatism Inc., de-emphasizing white grievances and by doubling down on “Democrats are the real racists” type rhetoric.

    We need a break through where the conservative base embraces white identity and we are not going to get it through Trump.

  106. @Harry Baldwin
    It occurs to me that the reason Roxane Gay got so offended when Weisman demanded an “enormous apology” from her was that she thought his use of the adjective "enormous" was a subtle dig at her thighs.

    …she thought his use of the adjective “enormous” was a subtle dig at her thighs.

    From Sanford and Son episode “The Dowry” (1972):

    – BettyJean going with us?

    – No. Too much walking is bad for her. Her thighs rub against each other and she gets a rash.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0694144/

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    I recall a time a plump black girl tells Fred Sanford that she lost 20 pounds. Craning his neck to take a look at her butt, he says, "I think I found it."
  107. Anon[281] • Disclaimer says:

    Baquet doesn’t sound like a guy in charge, but merely a group leader trying to touchy-feeling his way in one direction or another. He certainly isn’t giving orders and being obeyed. This sounds like the writers are calling the shots and trampling right over him. Any old-time big newspaper editor would have given him the boot for being too wimpy.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    This is not entirely fair. Baquet is not Xi Jinping who gets to tell the people of HK how they should think. Was he supposed to teargas the newsroom? Have his thugs beat up the reporters?

    The whole purpose of this forum was to have an "airing of grievances" and to allow the woke to let off steam that they would otherwise direct at deposing Baquet. Given that he had hired or inherited a whole newsroom full of Bolsheviks, he was doing his best to keep them under control and to give them new marching orders that would thread the needle - OTOH, continue to pursue Job #1 (get rid of Trump) and yet not TOTALLY destroy the NY Times credibility by turning it into the Woke People's Daily and making every single news story about race/class/gender as some in the newsroom appear to favor. "In today's sports the Racist Yankees beat the Racist Red Sox 11 -3. In Section D-3 there is a racist recipe for racist brownies." Etc.

  108. @Bubba
    Self-appointed intellectual monkeys throwing their feces on the wall to see what sticks lately.

    When will the New York Times do a story about Hillary Clinton leaving SAP data on her home server for the Chinese to steal? When will the New York Times do a story about evidence of HRC’s collusion with Chinese Intelligence being presented to the FBI and the FBI’s subsequent disinterest in said evidence?

    • Agree: Prodigal son
    • Replies: @sayless
    The Times will cover those stories — the Special Access Programs on her home server, the dummy email address that received almost all of her emails — when she is indicted, and covering the stories is simply unavoidable.
  109. @Hypnotoad666
    The speech that the NYT editor would have given to these staffers circa 1960 (and should have given now): "Just get your facts straight and get your stories in on time. This place doesn't exist for you to indulge your personal politics. So stop your f*cking bitching and get back to work. Oh yeah, if you don't like that deal, then you're fired. Got it."

    The 1957-60 editors sent reporters to Cuba to glorify Castro’s rebels and absolutely rejoice in Castro’s successful revolution.

    In 1960 the Slimes jumped into the school bussing is the greatest thing ever and blacks are totally absolutely innocent of crime and are in prison only because of evil bigoted White cops prosecutors judges and juries liberal sewer.

    I don’t know the last time the Slimes told the truth. WW1 Armistice Day maybe?

  110. @Known Fact
    God forbid they should stop all this "telling our stories" and cover some actual real news stories.

    Breaking news from 1619! Black people are coming to America in order to make us Who We Are!

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html

    Given the instant and multi-source nature of the internet and cable news, by the time the NY Times prints a story and delivers it to your doorstep, you have already read about that story 18 hours ago and from ten other sources. If you try to figure out what “All the News that’s Fit to Print” is, the answer is none of it, because by the time they print it, it’s not news anymore – it’s in effect yesterday’s newspaper and yesterday’s newspaper is only fit for lining bird cages. So, rather than close up shop (as many dailies already have) you go for feature stories like this – hey it beats working for a living.

    The twist to that is that no one really needs these feature stories either – there’s no real urgency or emotional investment involved. However, if you turn your newspaper into a political rag, then you can at least excite the Fellow Travelers in the Movement – people didn’t buy the Daily Worker for the new stories either. Now in the past this was not a good idea because it meant that you might be alienating half your readership, but with Manhattan voting 86% for Clinton, it’s not a risky move anymore. 86% of a loaf is better than none, which is what they would have if they were still printing straight news stories.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    1619 was picked because it makes a nice 400 year anniversary, is my guess.

    The Spanish were bringing over African slaves long before then. They and the Portuguese were even using them at home before Columbus sailed.

    The Spanish first thought they could use the New World natives as forced labour (they weren’t thinking chattel slavery that early). But the natives were too sickly, with huge die-offs from diseases like smallpox.

    Little did that they know that Africans would bring two more devastating diseases, yellow fever and falciparum malaria. These are hideous diseases that Europeans are susceptible to as well. By the time these diseases spread – the mosquitoes that transmit them only survive in tropical climates – it is estimated that ~95% of the natives were dead, with large pockets of survivors at high elevations in the Andes.

    The Africans possessed some resistance to these two, not 100% but better than natives or Europeans.

    But the new diseases meant that the southern US would have to use Africans too. Yellow fever was not endemic in the South, but there were frequent outbreaks when it spread from the Caribbean.

    There was another African parasitic disease, hookworm. You can read about its nasty effects on Europeans in the book, “The Germ of Laziness.” As the name implies, it sapped the energy of the victims, making the use of African slaves essential in the south.

    I should that no one had the faintest idea how any of these diseases spread till much later. The mosquito connection wasn’t made until 1880 for malaria and 1900 for yellow fever.

  111. @Forbes
    They love, love, love diversity--they demand conformity.

    White progressives love diversity when it comes in the form of a restaurant. Then they receive their car from the valet and drive back home to their majority white neighborhoods.

  112. @Mr McKenna
    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/06/15/arts/15xp-roxanegay/14xp-roxanegay-superJumbo.jpg

    The sort of 'female' who can get our own T.D. all hot and bothered.

    For extra lulz, check out the filename the NYT gave that jpeg.

    This is about the spat in which NYT columnist Roxane Gay (who enjoys Intersectional Pokemon Points for being black, a woman, and obese)

    Obese is clearly an inadequate adjective in this case! She is literally an entire villages worth….

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Even "morbidly obese" isn't adequate. Perhaps "monstrously obese."
    , @Lurker
    It takes a village to raise Roxane Gay:

    http://www.launceston-college.cornwall.sch.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/tow-610x458.jpg

    Possibly two villages.

  113. @Anon
    Baquet doesn't sound like a guy in charge, but merely a group leader trying to touchy-feeling his way in one direction or another. He certainly isn't giving orders and being obeyed. This sounds like the writers are calling the shots and trampling right over him. Any old-time big newspaper editor would have given him the boot for being too wimpy.

    This is not entirely fair. Baquet is not Xi Jinping who gets to tell the people of HK how they should think. Was he supposed to teargas the newsroom? Have his thugs beat up the reporters?

    The whole purpose of this forum was to have an “airing of grievances” and to allow the woke to let off steam that they would otherwise direct at deposing Baquet. Given that he had hired or inherited a whole newsroom full of Bolsheviks, he was doing his best to keep them under control and to give them new marching orders that would thread the needle – OTOH, continue to pursue Job #1 (get rid of Trump) and yet not TOTALLY destroy the NY Times credibility by turning it into the Woke People’s Daily and making every single news story about race/class/gender as some in the newsroom appear to favor. “In today’s sports the Racist Yankees beat the Racist Red Sox 11 -3. In Section D-3 there is a racist recipe for racist brownies.” Etc.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    This is the most positive take that seems possible here.
    (I lack your amount of confidence).
    , @Lot
    “racist brownies”

    http://girlguidingwirral.org.uk/wp-content/gallery/brownies/img156.jpg

    https://saintmarysbeverley.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/brownies.jpg
  114. @Kronos
    I’ve been trying to come up with a “Eye of Soros” theme Mascot for the New York Times. Something that involves its famous monicker “The Grey Lady.”

    My first choice is: Mary Shaw, from the film “Dead Silence.”

    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/b/b9/Dead_Silence_Mary_Shaw.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20161003072710

    https://data.whicdn.com/images/91755717/large.jpg

    The “Death Poem” goes very well with the contemporary NYT.

    She had no kids (Feminism)

    She only had Dolls (puppet reporters)

    She’ll rip your tongue out (Media Censorship)


    My second choice is: Faintly Macabre, from the Book “The Phantom Tollbooth.”

    The great city censor who policed all the allowable words.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/557986633635479552/iucheyP1_400x400.jpeg


    Does anyone else have any contenders?

    Santa Muerte, from the cult spreading like wildfire across Los Angeles County. By the way, Dead Silence (2007): pretty good stoner flick.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    Wow, I didn’t know about this thanks!
  115. @Dr. X
    Fat, black... and tats?

    What's the probability she really is "gay," too? I'd guess about 98%...

    What’s the probability she really is “gay,” too? I’d guess about 98%…

    Perhaps only out of necessity…….I see heterosexual consummation as a practical impossibility.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Lesbian whatever would be difficult. I’d classify her as CBPI. Celibate Because of Physical Impossibility I estimate she’s somewhere between 430 and 500 pounds depending on her height. Calling her fat and obese is a pejorative term.We are committing fat stigmatizing by calling her fat and obese

    Maybe the EEOC has created a new affirmative action category, marginalized Elephantines of Color.
  116. @Peter Akuleyev
    the spectacular failure of their Plan A: Russia Mania.

    The decision of many "conservatives" to stick with Trump despite his collusion with Russian officials and his public admiration for a Russian leader who is an avowed enemy of the United States will have a lot of longer term repercussions. It is clear that a lot of people on the so-called right are not patriots in any traditional American sense, but have chosen ethnocentrism over country. Even more pathetic when you realize that neither Putin nor Trump are ethnocentric in the least, they are simply wannabe gangsters trying to maximize their personal wealth and power.

    But Trump didn’t collude with any Russians to be elected. So what’s your point? Less than 1 percent of the population reads the New York Times.

  117. @Jack D
    This has already been taken care of by the Left. In all seriousness, the academic circles of the Left have defined racism as something that only privileged (white) people are capable of. When oppressed peoples do the same thing that white people do in reverse, it's not racism, by definition. Problem solved!

    Now this may sound like circular logic or Alice in Wonderland thinking to you, but to the Left this is a widely accepted explanation so they don't lose any sleep over the (definitially non-existent) racism of non-whites.

    That is true about hardcore leftists, but talking to them about anything is now a waste of time. I’m thinking of what I can say to the many people who are at heart still liberals in the true sense but who have been swept up in the all-engulfing tide of illiberal leftist propaganda.

  118. @Hypnotoad666

    If there were Nuremberg Trials for Journalism Malpractice, the whole Times staff would be on trial !
     
    It would be a fascinating case study in leftist institution-capture to understand how this came to pass. Did it start from the top down as a conscious plan to hire only SJW reporters? Or did the conformist SJW culture just organically grow up to repel all objective and fair-minded journalists?

    This leftist take-over dynamic is so common it needs to be better understood.

    Actually there were several Nazis that were writers and propagandists who were tried for war crimes. Julius Streicher and Alfred Rosenberg were hung and Hans Fritsche was acquitted. I guess they got what they deserved.

  119. @Dr. X
    Fat, black... and tats?

    What's the probability she really is "gay," too? I'd guess about 98%...

    She sometimes identifies as queer.

  120. @Clifford Brown
    I am aware of some of the inside baseball at The Times and know that there is one editor in particular who is a big champion of Roxane Gay. It must be infuriating to the few remaining serious journalists, but once you drop intellectual integrity, these things happen.

    “Intellectual integrity?” Nowhere to be found in large parts of the MSM.

  121. @Bubba
    Self-appointed intellectual monkeys throwing their feces on the wall to see what sticks lately.

    Looks like the Old Grey Lady has a touch of the jaundice.

    • LOL: Bubba
  122. So Steve are you saying we have more LETS TALK ABOUT ME/MY HAIR stuff coming up???

  123. @Hypnotoad666

    What we are witnessing is the final stages of Gramsci’s long march through the institutions. Its fulsome objectives of producing SJWs have been reached, with the institutional incubators ranging from graduate and journalism schools down to kindergartens!
     
    You got that right . . . apparently the entire state of California is poised to go full SJW with mandatory anti-white training in the public schools. https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/california-to-become-yugoslavia-ethnic-studies/

    The following is not, repeat NOT, parody. This is really happening in California:

    Here’s a link to the “model curriculum” put forth by the state. I strongly urge you to read it. Here are some excerpts:

    At its core, the field of Ethnic Studies is the interdisciplinary study of race, ethnicity, and indigeneity with an emphasis on experiences of people of color in the United States. Further, it is the xdisciplinary [sic], loving, and critical praxis of holistic humanity – as educational and racial justice. It is from communities of color and our intergenerational worldviews, memories, experiences, identities, narratives, and voices. It is the study of intersectional and ancestral roots, coloniality, hegemony, and a dignified world where many worlds fit, for present and future generations.

    The field critically grapples with the various power structures and forms of oppression, including, but not limited to, white supremacy, race and racism, sexism, classism, homophobia, islamophobia, transphobia, and xenophobia, that continue to impact the social, emotional, cultural, economic, and political experiences of Native People/s and people of color.

    Ethnic Studies is xdisciplinary, in that it variously takes the forms of being interdisciplinary, multidisciplinary, transdisciplinary, undisciplinary, and intradisciplinary. As such, it can grow its original language to serve these needs with purposeful respellings of terms, including history as herstory and women as womxn, connecting with a gender and sexuality lens, along with a socioeconomic class lens at three of its intersections. Terms utilized throughout this document, which may be unfamiliar to new practitioners of the field, are defined in the glossary.
     

     

    xdisciplinary I liked best.
    Other than that – it is mind-numbing stuff. The closest you can get to being stoned without taking a drug.

    Quite a bad trip though.

  124. @Jack D
    This is not entirely fair. Baquet is not Xi Jinping who gets to tell the people of HK how they should think. Was he supposed to teargas the newsroom? Have his thugs beat up the reporters?

    The whole purpose of this forum was to have an "airing of grievances" and to allow the woke to let off steam that they would otherwise direct at deposing Baquet. Given that he had hired or inherited a whole newsroom full of Bolsheviks, he was doing his best to keep them under control and to give them new marching orders that would thread the needle - OTOH, continue to pursue Job #1 (get rid of Trump) and yet not TOTALLY destroy the NY Times credibility by turning it into the Woke People's Daily and making every single news story about race/class/gender as some in the newsroom appear to favor. "In today's sports the Racist Yankees beat the Racist Red Sox 11 -3. In Section D-3 there is a racist recipe for racist brownies." Etc.

    This is the most positive take that seems possible here.
    (I lack your amount of confidence).

  125. @Hypnotoad666

    that sorry Dean Baquet won’t last long. That meeting he held was a severance negotiation move to make sure he is not simply dumped as a ‘racist’.
     
    That's an interesting take.

    Given that the audience consisted entirely of professional leakers and attention-whores, everyone in the room had to know that the whole affair was effectively being live streamed to social media. So it is fair to assume that public posturing was one of the objectives.

    Dean Baquet comes from a prominent Creole family in New Orleans, so I don’t think he has to worry too much about being called racist. It will be interesting to see how over-the-top this “2019 Project” turns out to be. From what they’ve published so far, it seems like they’re really swinging for the fences. From the description of the Project:

    “…It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our true founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very center of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.”

    So take note, Steve: it’s no longer “who we are,” it’s “the story we tell ourselves about who we are.”

    • Replies: @Lurker

    and placing the consequences of slavery
     
    Oh dear, they're heading into dangerous territory there.
  126. @Jack D
    This is not entirely fair. Baquet is not Xi Jinping who gets to tell the people of HK how they should think. Was he supposed to teargas the newsroom? Have his thugs beat up the reporters?

    The whole purpose of this forum was to have an "airing of grievances" and to allow the woke to let off steam that they would otherwise direct at deposing Baquet. Given that he had hired or inherited a whole newsroom full of Bolsheviks, he was doing his best to keep them under control and to give them new marching orders that would thread the needle - OTOH, continue to pursue Job #1 (get rid of Trump) and yet not TOTALLY destroy the NY Times credibility by turning it into the Woke People's Daily and making every single news story about race/class/gender as some in the newsroom appear to favor. "In today's sports the Racist Yankees beat the Racist Red Sox 11 -3. In Section D-3 there is a racist recipe for racist brownies." Etc.

    “racist brownies”

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    I am amazed that such a thing is possible.
  127. @Jack D

    I just feel like racism is in everything. It should be considered in our science reporting, in our culture reporting, in our national reporting.
     
    Everything within the State, nothing without the State. The Gleichschaltung must extend to all aspects of German American society.

    That was Mussolini.

  128. @Mr McKenna
    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/06/15/arts/15xp-roxanegay/14xp-roxanegay-superJumbo.jpg

    The sort of 'female' who can get our own T.D. all hot and bothered.

    For extra lulz, check out the filename the NYT gave that jpeg.

    What a perfect representation of that “perfect” Kneegrowess, Roxane GAY.

    I am an old man and even I was becoming “hot and bothered” by that picture perfect presentation of Kneegrowess pulchritude!!!

  129. @Hypnotoad666

    If there were Nuremberg Trials for Journalism Malpractice, the whole Times staff would be on trial !
     
    It would be a fascinating case study in leftist institution-capture to understand how this came to pass. Did it start from the top down as a conscious plan to hire only SJW reporters? Or did the conformist SJW culture just organically grow up to repel all objective and fair-minded journalists?

    This leftist take-over dynamic is so common it needs to be better understood.

    NYT was always “progressive” but it also used to have a pretense to adulthood.

  130. @Reg Cæsar

    ...she thought his use of the adjective “enormous” was a subtle dig at her thighs.

     

    From Sanford and Son episode "The Dowry" (1972):


    - BettyJean going with us?


    - No. Too much walking is bad for her. Her thighs rub against each other and she gets a rash.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0694144/
     

    I recall a time a plump black girl tells Fred Sanford that she lost 20 pounds. Craning his neck to take a look at her butt, he says, “I think I found it.”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    It was 40 pounds. On that episode.
    , @ben tillman
    That show had its moments.
  131. @Harry Baldwin
    I recall a time a plump black girl tells Fred Sanford that she lost 20 pounds. Craning his neck to take a look at her butt, he says, "I think I found it."

    It was 40 pounds. On that episode.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    LOL--I stand corrected. I saw it 40 years ago.
  132. @SunBakedSuburb
    When will the New York Times do a story about Hillary Clinton leaving SAP data on her home server for the Chinese to steal? When will the New York Times do a story about evidence of HRC's collusion with Chinese Intelligence being presented to the FBI and the FBI's subsequent disinterest in said evidence?

    The Times will cover those stories — the Special Access Programs on her home server, the dummy email address that received almost all of her emails — when she is indicted, and covering the stories is simply unavoidable.

  133. @Forbes
    They love, love, love diversity--they demand conformity.

    “They love, love, love diversity–they demand conformity.”

    I was talking politics with my former college history teacher. I remarked on the left wing only stance the Party had. He replied “The Democratic Party is a very diverse party.”

    I answered, “Where is the diversity of opinion? Where are Democrats allowed to be, for example, against abortion or for border security?”

    My ex-professor was almost speechless. He finally mumbled, “Well the Party doesn’t have that kind of diversity.”

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    Your former history prof doesn’t get it.

    He thinks diversity = lots of blacks, feminists and so on.

    Diversity of opinion? Never heard of that.
  134. Post-Epstein, sexism-mania is on hold. He’s too close to those at the top.

    From Michael Cook, editor at https://www.mercatornet.com/ , comes this rousing defense of a recent plague:

    Hey, guys. We gotta have that little talk. You know, about toxic masculinity. You know how it how it causes domestic violence and mass shootings and my nuke is bigger than your nuke and all that? Bit of truth in that, but, you know what, when you need toxic masculinity in a big way, thank God there’s always a few bros who step up.

    Like what happened in Sydney yesterday. There’s this guy who just killed this woman in the middle of the city. And he’s standing on top of a car waving a bloody knife and covered in blood and shouting Allahu Akhbar! with all these people walking around. And then he goes and stabs another woman in the back from behind.

    And then these four guys run after him and tackle him, knife and all, and put a milk crate over his head and hold him down until the cops come.

    And you know what one of these guys said? It was like, “It was a run, it was about 200 metres, and we were asking the questions: ‘Has he got a gun? Has he got a knife? He’s got a knife, OK sweet, there’s two of us, there’s one of him.’”

    It was, like, toxic masculinity in action. And you know what I think? A little bit of it goes a long way. Like, I dunno how many lives these guys saved from this crazy. And it wasn’t any sort of big deal for them. “That’s the way we were raised,” this guy says. “We’ve got good values, and we’re going to help.”

    * * * * * * * *

    Well, that’s the news from Sydney. On other fronts, I’ve written a short article on the tragic suicide of Jeffrey Epstein in a Manhattan jail and Marcus Roberts reviews Whiteshift, a best-seller about immigration tensions.

  135. @Jack D

    despite his collusion with Russian officials
     
    Please get with the times (or the Times). "Trump Colluded with the Russians" was yesterday's meme. Mueller's crew and the FBI and the Democrat Party and the press (an overlapping group) spent the last 3 years and countless millions of $ trying to launch that rocket but it was so full of holes that it never got off the ground - it blew up on the launch pad like one of Putin's nuclear powered missiles. Mueller's appearance before Congress was the last desperate Hail Mary attempt to deploy that Wunder Waffe and it fizzled spectacularly. Mueller turned out to be a doddering old man - he was no von Braun.

    You'll note that since a day or two after his appearance, all mention of Mueller and his report has disappeared from the press as thoroughly as if he were Dr. Professor Blasey Ford or Alicia Machado - these Stakhanov's are just props that the Party wheels onto the stage. As long as they are Useful Idiots they are national heroes and when the show flops they are discarded and never heard from again.

    Please follow the Party Line henceforth, comrade. "Trump is a Racist" is the theme of the day until further notice.

    The first theme was “Trump is Hitler.” That one lasted a while.

    Then it was “Trump is a womanizing abuser of women.” Yeah, liberals never have supported politicians with those traits.

    Then it was “Trump is a Russian agent.” They though this was enough for impeachment.

    Now its back to “Trump is a racist.”

    • Replies: @Pericles
    It's a bit like the news agencies in 1984 at some point must have had to complete the circle with "once again we have always been at war with Eurasia".
  136. Anonymous[376] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    At this point I’m starting to feel a little sorry for Baquet who at least comes across as a grown-up. In contrast, much of the Great Awokening seems like a Schoolgirl Snit by young women on staff.
     
    No sympathy from me.

    This last ten years has indeed made it very, very clear that allowing young women--women who've never even pushed a baby out of their vagina, much less nursed him, changed him, raised him ... gathered any perspective on life whatsoever--to spout off in a nation's media is a recipe for disaster. A farsical, crazy, intensely stupid, "Schoolgirl Snit" disaster, but a true disaster for the nation nonetheless.

    But ... it is precisely the "grown ups" in elite media, ike Dean Baquet who are enabling it. If he wanted to he could be setting a standard that NYT reporters can't run around like 14 year old girls, yelling "racist" all the time. That they actually have to do reportage and get the facts. And if they are reporting on opinions and perspectives they must give the deplorable opinion equal time as well.

    But, of course, Baquet does not want to do this. He wants completely slanted stories that fit the narrative, he just wishes he could reign in his squawking squad of estrogen addled shrews a bit and get somewhat less stupid, more sophisticated, narrative compliant stories. 'f him!

    The girls really aren't the problem. They are just acting like girls. Their writing is stupid because they are a) young and b) women. Like most women they are deeply status conscious and approval seeking and this narrative is what they have been taught, what they are supposed to think and ergo what they deeply believe.

    It is the people who have hired them and publish them that are the problem.

    The NY Times was pretty bad before gay men/childless women took over the news. The old biased Timesmen of the 50s, 60s would complain about the same thing you are blaming, so I think that has always existed. The difference is that it’s no longer possible for media to be profitable without pandering to immature fantasies of some kind: racism witchcraft theories; comic book superhero melodrama; BDSM billionaires; drag queen/sex change lifestyles; etc. The fantasies themselves aren’t new

  137. @Arclight
    My local urban black newspaper doesn't spill as much ink on 'racism' as the decidedly more white staff and readership of the WaPo or NYT. If you went to the homepage of either paper, based on the content you'd think America in 2019 was just like S. Africa under apartheid and these outlets were the only voice the downtrodden had.

    Instead the target audience is overwhelmingly whites who mostly don't live near any diversity at all, make sure their kids don't go to school with the wrong sort, but who are more radical on racial issues than the actual minority groups they champion themselves are.

    Their philosophy for the last few decades is “offense is the best defense.” By co-oping the racial movements early (BLM, El Raza) they won’t get targeted (at least not first.)

  138. @fish

    What’s the probability she really is “gay,” too? I’d guess about 98%…
     
    Perhaps only out of necessity.......I see heterosexual consummation as a practical impossibility.

    Lesbian whatever would be difficult. I’d classify her as CBPI. Celibate Because of Physical Impossibility I estimate she’s somewhere between 430 and 500 pounds depending on her height. Calling her fat and obese is a pejorative term.We are committing fat stigmatizing by calling her fat and obese

    Maybe the EEOC has created a new affirmative action category, marginalized Elephantines of Color.

  139. @SunBakedSuburb
    Santa Muerte, from the cult spreading like wildfire across Los Angeles County. By the way, Dead Silence (2007): pretty good stoner flick.

    Wow, I didn’t know about this thanks!

  140. I thought Trump would be man enough to stand up to the media bullies and their false charges that he’s a white nationalist but he’s starting to cuck and virtual signal under their sustained, withering assaults.

  141. I’m still surprised but shouldn’t be at how nakedly partisan the New York Times is. And irresponsible: the most prestigious news organizations in the world is telling everybody that White America is racist by virtue of existing.

    Oh well. The US was fun while it lasted.

  142. If President Trump announced tomorrow that he had personally discovered a universal cure for cancer, the Sunday issue of the NYT would be running pieces insinuating that his announcement was a racist dog-whistle of some kind. Not sure what train of faulty logic they’d use; probably something to do with Henrietta Lacks.

  143. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    She would bring a certain gravity to the position.

    https://media.newyorker.com/photos/59499bec150d515ee8582e78/16:9/w_1200,h_630,c_limit/St-Felix_Roxane-Gay.jpg

    https://typeset-beta.imgix.net/rehost%2F2016%2F9%2F13%2Fde6a9fc3-93d2-4048-b5f0-fa64ede16988.jpg

    I was at an airshow once and there was a blackish woman easily smaller than this who literally got stuck trying to climb into a B-52. It took the base fire crew to pull her out. The best part is that there was most of the RAF Vulcan crew up there getting a tour when this happened. Poor bastards were stuck in there for at last a half hour and it was very hot in that cramped space.

    Airshow attendees loved the Vulcan because you could hang out in the shade underneath it.

  144. @fish

    This is about the spat in which NYT columnist Roxane Gay (who enjoys Intersectional Pokemon Points for being black, a woman, and obese)
     
    Obese is clearly an inadequate adjective in this case! She is literally an entire villages worth....

    Even “morbidly obese” isn’t adequate. Perhaps “monstrously obese.”

  145. @Reg Cæsar
    It was 40 pounds. On that episode.

    LOL–I stand corrected. I saw it 40 years ago.

  146. @Dan Hayes
    Hynotoad666:

    What we are witnessing is the final stages of Gramsci's long march through the institutions. Its fulsome objectives of producing SJWs have been reached, with the institutional incubators ranging from graduate and journalism schools down to kindergartens!

    institutional incubators ranging from graduate and journalism schools down to kindergartens!

    That should read “up to kindergartens”.

    • LOL: Dan Hayes
  147. @Peter Akuleyev
    the spectacular failure of their Plan A: Russia Mania.

    The decision of many "conservatives" to stick with Trump despite his collusion with Russian officials and his public admiration for a Russian leader who is an avowed enemy of the United States will have a lot of longer term repercussions. It is clear that a lot of people on the so-called right are not patriots in any traditional American sense, but have chosen ethnocentrism over country. Even more pathetic when you realize that neither Putin nor Trump are ethnocentric in the least, they are simply wannabe gangsters trying to maximize their personal wealth and power.

    The decision of many “conservatives” to stick with Trump despite his collusion with Russian officials and his public admiration for a Russian leader who is an avowed enemy of the United States . . . .

    In our Congress, 100% of elected Democrats and 99% of elected Republicans have a clearer avowed enmity to the United States.

  148. @Harry Baldwin
    I recall a time a plump black girl tells Fred Sanford that she lost 20 pounds. Craning his neck to take a look at her butt, he says, "I think I found it."

    That show had its moments.

  149. @Lot
    “racist brownies”

    http://girlguidingwirral.org.uk/wp-content/gallery/brownies/img156.jpg

    https://saintmarysbeverley.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/brownies.jpg

    I am amazed that such a thing is possible.

  150. anon[227] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfa158
    “These people really think like that. Donald Trump divided America? Seriously? Absolutely zero self-awareness.”
    I think they are perfectly self-aware. Remember, they are essentially ant-hill style totalitarians. They envision a society in which everyone believes the same things, because those things are true philosophically even if not factually, obeys an elite class, and belongs to the same UniParty. Donald Trump and his followers fail to follow their program, therefore they are “dividing” the country into people on board and people not in board. Notice that in every political disagreement the Democrats always open with the accusation that Republicans are being “divisive”. In their minds you can’t have any sticks escaping from the bundle of sticks wrapped around an axe.

    Dogmatic people can lie, and believe their own lie, all at the same time. They can be motivated by greed and selfish power interests, and feel righteous that they are motivated by noble virtues, all at the same time. They can be shrewdly manipulative and lacking in self-awareness, all at the same time. Dogma blots out a lot of other mental and moral functions and takes over the brain. Dogmatic belief cancels any concerns about Truth and Fairness.

  151. For a supposed white supremacist, Trump has demonstrated more open animosity towards Europe than any President I can remember. It’s one of the things about him I like most. He mocks the mayor of London, calls out Theresa May, gives noogies to Macron and the German weebil and now suggests that Denmark should sell Greenland to us. I wonder if Denmark’s paltry NATO contribution could have anything to do with this? Maybe this is what really gets under the elite’s skin. The idea that a U.S. President talks back to Europe. This just isn’t done in polite society. It’s one of Trump’s best qualities.

    • Replies: @Lurker

    He mocks the mayor of London
     
    The mayor of London is not European. Trump can mock him all day long if he wants. (Speaking as a Brit, a European here)
  152. “explicitly self -critical”

    Whoa, whoa. The NYT isn’t running a Cultural Revolution, whoever you are. They just want to purge Trump. And eventually all white people, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

  153. @SND
    The NYT is self -destructing but at least racism refers to something real: everyone's a racist -Asians, Blacks, Hispanics & whites. Of course the who-whom gets all confused, but there is a who & a whom. In contrast, the Russian collusion prior story was an obvious total hoax from the get-go. It's good for the NYT to get off that & go somewhere else.

    Are you new to contemporary Western civilization? There’s no way out of getting accused of racism, least of all trying to get people to admit everyone is racist. That fact is pathologically denied.

    Though racism might be a real thing, “racism” is whatever you want it to be. If you have the authority to define things, that is.

  154. @International Jew

    everyone’s a racist — Asians, Blacks, Hispanics & whites
     
    Maybe you've just put your finger on the best defense against tge racism accusation: "I'm a racist? Isn't everyone a racist? Let's first define racism..." And then get into things like blacks objecting to gentrification, latinos joining forces to demand entry to the country, China blocking all immigration, etc.

    You might as well defend yourself by saying you have a black friend.

    No way they let you pin them down on a definition.

  155. @David In TN
    "They love, love, love diversity--they demand conformity."

    I was talking politics with my former college history teacher. I remarked on the left wing only stance the Party had. He replied "The Democratic Party is a very diverse party."

    I answered, "Where is the diversity of opinion? Where are Democrats allowed to be, for example, against abortion or for border security?"

    My ex-professor was almost speechless. He finally mumbled, "Well the Party doesn't have that kind of diversity."

    Your former history prof doesn’t get it.

    He thinks diversity = lots of blacks, feminists and so on.

    Diversity of opinion? Never heard of that.

  156. @Jack D
    Breaking news from 1619! Black people are coming to America in order to make us Who We Are!

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html

    Given the instant and multi-source nature of the internet and cable news, by the time the NY Times prints a story and delivers it to your doorstep, you have already read about that story 18 hours ago and from ten other sources. If you try to figure out what "All the News that's Fit to Print" is, the answer is none of it, because by the time they print it, it's not news anymore - it's in effect yesterday's newspaper and yesterday's newspaper is only fit for lining bird cages. So, rather than close up shop (as many dailies already have) you go for feature stories like this - hey it beats working for a living.

    The twist to that is that no one really needs these feature stories either - there's no real urgency or emotional investment involved. However, if you turn your newspaper into a political rag, then you can at least excite the Fellow Travelers in the Movement - people didn't buy the Daily Worker for the new stories either. Now in the past this was not a good idea because it meant that you might be alienating half your readership, but with Manhattan voting 86% for Clinton, it's not a risky move anymore. 86% of a loaf is better than none, which is what they would have if they were still printing straight news stories.

    1619 was picked because it makes a nice 400 year anniversary, is my guess.

    The Spanish were bringing over African slaves long before then. They and the Portuguese were even using them at home before Columbus sailed.

    The Spanish first thought they could use the New World natives as forced labour (they weren’t thinking chattel slavery that early). But the natives were too sickly, with huge die-offs from diseases like smallpox.

    Little did that they know that Africans would bring two more devastating diseases, yellow fever and falciparum malaria. These are hideous diseases that Europeans are susceptible to as well. By the time these diseases spread – the mosquitoes that transmit them only survive in tropical climates – it is estimated that ~95% of the natives were dead, with large pockets of survivors at high elevations in the Andes.

    The Africans possessed some resistance to these two, not 100% but better than natives or Europeans.

    But the new diseases meant that the southern US would have to use Africans too. Yellow fever was not endemic in the South, but there were frequent outbreaks when it spread from the Caribbean.

    There was another African parasitic disease, hookworm. You can read about its nasty effects on Europeans in the book, “The Germ of Laziness.” As the name implies, it sapped the energy of the victims, making the use of African slaves essential in the south.

    I should that no one had the faintest idea how any of these diseases spread till much later. The mosquito connection wasn’t made until 1880 for malaria and 1900 for yellow fever.

  157. @Bragadocious
    For a supposed white supremacist, Trump has demonstrated more open animosity towards Europe than any President I can remember. It's one of the things about him I like most. He mocks the mayor of London, calls out Theresa May, gives noogies to Macron and the German weebil and now suggests that Denmark should sell Greenland to us. I wonder if Denmark's paltry NATO contribution could have anything to do with this? Maybe this is what really gets under the elite's skin. The idea that a U.S. President talks back to Europe. This just isn't done in polite society. It's one of Trump's best qualities.

    He mocks the mayor of London

    The mayor of London is not European. Trump can mock him all day long if he wants. (Speaking as a Brit, a European here)

  158. @Pirelli
    Dean Baquet comes from a prominent Creole family in New Orleans, so I don’t think he has to worry too much about being called racist. It will be interesting to see how over-the-top this “2019 Project” turns out to be. From what they’ve published so far, it seems like they’re really swinging for the fences. From the description of the Project:

    “...It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our true founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very center of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.”
     
    So take note, Steve: it’s no longer “who we are,” it’s “the story we tell ourselves about who we are.”

    and placing the consequences of slavery

    Oh dear, they’re heading into dangerous territory there.

  159. @fish

    This is about the spat in which NYT columnist Roxane Gay (who enjoys Intersectional Pokemon Points for being black, a woman, and obese)
     
    Obese is clearly an inadequate adjective in this case! She is literally an entire villages worth....

    It takes a village to raise Roxane Gay:

    Possibly two villages.

  160. @Lot
    She would bring a certain gravity to the position.

    https://media.newyorker.com/photos/59499bec150d515ee8582e78/16:9/w_1200,h_630,c_limit/St-Felix_Roxane-Gay.jpg

    https://typeset-beta.imgix.net/rehost%2F2016%2F9%2F13%2Fde6a9fc3-93d2-4048-b5f0-fa64ede16988.jpg

    She would bring a certain gravity to the position.

    When she moves it triggers LIGO

  161. @Bubba
    Self-appointed intellectual monkeys throwing their feces on the wall to see what sticks lately.

    Given the “1619 Project”, I’d say they intend to see all of it sticks.

    Enjoyable as it would be to watch Bret Stephens and David Brooks using tiny toothbrushes to vigorously scour the dried doody off their chins and eyebrows – Charles Blow would barely notice any of it landing on him – none of it would be remotely as entertaining as watching the Times being auctioned off for a dollar, NEWSWEEK style, to the next Carlos Slim. I’m hoping El Chapo seals the deal via a proxy and begins agitating for the immediate vacating of all major-trafficking convictions.

    So long as his editorials refer to Trump as “puto” and “cocksucker”, I’ll wager Stephens, Brooks and the rest support him 100% – and Maureen Dowd will wonder aloud, and admiringly, just how big he is “south of the border”. He just needs to be careful with his use of maricon, and to make sure the door’s closed before he begins laughing at Blow, Gay and the rest of Team 1619.

  162. @Hypnotoad666
    The speech that the NYT editor would have given to these staffers circa 1960 (and should have given now): "Just get your facts straight and get your stories in on time. This place doesn't exist for you to indulge your personal politics. So stop your f*cking bitching and get back to work. Oh yeah, if you don't like that deal, then you're fired. Got it."

    I seem to recall reading that some newspapers at some point (mid-20th?) wanted to distance themselves from ‘yellow journalism’ and become trusted sources of news. It might possibly also have been a way for new entrants (ahem) to take on sleazy incumbents. Hence all the honking about impartiality and all that.

    Once trust was won, they then proceeded to determinedly violate it.

  163. @Harry Baldwin
    I think you've got that about right. The last presidential election in which the New York Times endorsed the Republican candidate was in 1956, so the shift to total left-wing partisanship began some time after that.

    But weren’t those Republicans the leftist party at the time? “Rockefeller republicans”, I believe?

    • Replies: @David In TN
    Eisenhower was the incumbent Republican president in 1956. His opponent, Adlai Stevenson, was the liberal in the race.
  164. @David In TN
    The first theme was "Trump is Hitler." That one lasted a while.

    Then it was "Trump is a womanizing abuser of women." Yeah, liberals never have supported politicians with those traits.

    Then it was "Trump is a Russian agent." They though this was enough for impeachment.

    Now its back to "Trump is a racist."

    It’s a bit like the news agencies in 1984 at some point must have had to complete the circle with “once again we have always been at war with Eurasia”.

  165. @AnotherDad

    At this point I’m starting to feel a little sorry for Baquet who at least comes across as a grown-up. In contrast, much of the Great Awokening seems like a Schoolgirl Snit by young women on staff.
     
    No sympathy from me.

    This last ten years has indeed made it very, very clear that allowing young women--women who've never even pushed a baby out of their vagina, much less nursed him, changed him, raised him ... gathered any perspective on life whatsoever--to spout off in a nation's media is a recipe for disaster. A farsical, crazy, intensely stupid, "Schoolgirl Snit" disaster, but a true disaster for the nation nonetheless.

    But ... it is precisely the "grown ups" in elite media, ike Dean Baquet who are enabling it. If he wanted to he could be setting a standard that NYT reporters can't run around like 14 year old girls, yelling "racist" all the time. That they actually have to do reportage and get the facts. And if they are reporting on opinions and perspectives they must give the deplorable opinion equal time as well.

    But, of course, Baquet does not want to do this. He wants completely slanted stories that fit the narrative, he just wishes he could reign in his squawking squad of estrogen addled shrews a bit and get somewhat less stupid, more sophisticated, narrative compliant stories. 'f him!

    The girls really aren't the problem. They are just acting like girls. Their writing is stupid because they are a) young and b) women. Like most women they are deeply status conscious and approval seeking and this narrative is what they have been taught, what they are supposed to think and ergo what they deeply believe.

    It is the people who have hired them and publish them that are the problem.

    …he just wishes he could reign in his squawking squad of estrogen addled shrews a bit and get somewhat less stupid, more sophisticated, narrative compliant stories.

    THE SUBJECT IS RELAYING AN ACCURATE ACCOUNT

  166. @Dr. X
    Fat, black... and tats?

    What's the probability she really is "gay," too? I'd guess about 98%...

    Either way, she’d pose a substantial physical risk to a potential partner from suffocation and/or being crushed to death.

  167. @Steve Johnson
    @Hypnotoad666 - are you kidding? Pre-1960s NYT "Just get your facts straight and get your stories in on time"?

    Look up Walter Duranty.

    As to the original post - there's only really one possible explanation for this behavior out of Dean Baquet - Putin got to him.

    Perhaps the smears were of higher (IQ) quality?

    Typically, blue weaved obese black women don’t make the best sophisticated literary smears.

  168. @peterike

    The decision of many “conservatives” to stick with Trump despite his collusion with Russian officials and his public admiration for a Russian leader who is an avowed enemy of the United States will have a lot of longer term repercussions.
     
    Wow. Lots of work to unravel all the lies and nonsense you packed into a single sentence. For starters, you just take Trump's "collusion" for granted, which makes you an idiot who probably believes what he hears on CNN. At this point in the affair, to still be hanging on to "collusion" qualifies you for nothing more than a dunce cap.

    And how is Putin an "avowed enemy" of the United States? Abject stupidity.


    It is clear that a lot of people on the so-called right are not patriots in any traditional American sense,

     

    You mean the "traditional American sense" of patriotism that equals fighting the Jews' wars for them? Seems to me that avoiding wars in which Americans are killed and soaked for money for another nation's benefit is pretty damn patriotic.

    Even more pathetic when you realize that neither Putin nor Trump are ethnocentric in the least, they are simply wannabe gangsters trying to maximize their personal wealth and power.

     

    Sadly, Trump isn't nearly as ethnocentric as one would hope. Putin at least looks out for his country at some level. The notion that Trump is using the Presidency to maximize his wealth and power is, again, so abjectly stupid, so patently false on its face, that one wonders if you really are one of the stupidest nitwits in the world, or just a hack propagandists that's not very good at his job.

    Thank you. You saved several of us a lot of typing.

  169. • Replies: @MEH 0910
    Previously...

    The Babylon Bee Retweeted:
    https://twitter.com/snopes/status/1162393607531388928

    https://twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1162510600653590528
  170. “As The Times begins a period of self-reflection, I hope its editors will think hard about the half of America the paper too seldom covers,” wrote Spayd.

    They thought about them for about two days, decided they hated them and the rest is ‘journalism’.

    What do you expect from Walter Duranty’s ‘newspaper’.

  171. @Pericles
    But weren't those Republicans the leftist party at the time? "Rockefeller republicans", I believe?

    Eisenhower was the incumbent Republican president in 1956. His opponent, Adlai Stevenson, was the liberal in the race.

  172. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1163559282412965888

    Previously…

    The Babylon Bee Retweeted:

  173. A Campaign Targeting Our Staff

    A note to staff by New York Times publisher A.G. Sulzberger calling attention to a Times story about a campaign led by President Trump’s allies intended to harass and embarrass individuals affiliated with several leading news organizations.

    Dear Colleagues,

    We published an article today revealing a coordinated campaign by President Trump’s allies to attack hundreds of journalists in retaliation for coverage of the administration. This unprecedented campaign appears designed to harass and embarrass anyone affiliated with independent news organizations that have asked tough questions and brought uncomfortable truths to light.

    The New York Times, which has distinguished itself with fearless and fair coverage of the president, is one of the main targets of this assault. Unable to challenge the accuracy of our reporting, political operatives have been scouring social media and other sources to find any possibly embarrassing information on anyone associated with The Times, no matter their rank, role or actual influence on our journalism. Their goal is to silence critics and undermine the public’s faith in independent journalism.

    This represents an escalation of an ongoing campaign against the free press. For years the president has used terms like “fake news” and “enemy of the people” to demonize journalists and journalism. Now, the political operatives behind this campaign will argue that they are “reporting” on news organizations in the same way that news organizations report on elected officials and other public figures. They are not. They are using insinuation and exaggeration to manipulate the facts for political gain.

    ******

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