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The dictator of Belarus is punishing the European Union for objecting to him stealing the last election by inviting 3rd Worlders to his country to sneak across the Polish border into the E.U. as illegal immigrants. On the New York Times opinion page, a pundit explains why it’s bad for Europeans not to let themselves be punished by the dictator.

Europe Tried to Seal Itself Off. It Didn’t Work.
Oct. 6, 2021

By Joy Neumeyer

Ms. Neumeyer is a writer and a historian of Russia and Eastern Europe who has reported from the border between Poland and Belarus.

In the vast primeval forest that lies between Poland and Belarus, European bison graze under ancient trees alongside refugees, weak from cold and hunger. The new arrivals — from countries including Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Nigeria and Cameroon — have different stories, but a shared predicament. They all purchased flights to Minsk, Belarus, with the promise that they would be taken to the European Union, only to end up stranded in the woods.

Left to wander the forest in freezing conditions, the migrants are the victims of President Aleksandr Lukashenko of Belarus. In retaliation for European Union sanctions against his regime, he is reportedly luring people to Minsk and then depositing them at the country’s border with Poland. But the problem goes beyond Belarus. The Polish government, presenting itself as the nation’s protector from invasion, has refused the migrants entry — and, in some cases, actively pushed them back into the woods.

Far from earning rebuke, Poland’s approach has the backing of the European Union. It is, after all, more or less what the E.U. has been doing for the past five years. To avoid a repeat of the migrant crisis of 2015-16, when over a million people sought refuge in Europe, the bloc has tried to seal off the continent from another influx of people.

But these efforts, often draconian and brutal, have failed. In the aftermath of the Taliban’s takeover of Afghanistan and as unrest continues across the world, more people will head for Europe. The next migrant crisis has arrived.

With southern routes choked off, the bloc’s eastern border has become a major point of entry. …

Poland’s response has been severe. … Not content with a media blackout, it’s also, like neighboring Lithuania, erecting a fence along the border.

In adopting this stance, the Polish government is following its own example. In 2015, at the height of the crisis, the leader of Poland’s far-right Law and Justice Party, Jaroslaw Kaczynski, claimed that Muslim refugees carried parasites. After riding popular fear to electoral success, the party made good on its anti-migrant agenda and refused to accept quotas of refugees assigned by the European Union. It was joined by the Czech Republic and Hungary, whose prime minister, Viktor Orban, began building a wall on Hungary’s border with Serbia and Croatia.

Their approach now seems prophetic. In “fortress Europe,” enclosure is the new normal. In the past five years, the bloc has paid Turkey and Libya to keep out migrants and patrolled the Mediterranean Sea, while member states including Austria, Greece and Bulgaria have installed new border fortifications. The E.U. is currently working on a financial deal with Afghanistan’s neighbors to prevent people fleeing the Taliban from coming to Europe. Violent border pushbacks are increasingly common, illegal measures that critics say are supported by the bloc’s border agency, Frontex. The message is clear: Newcomers must be turned away, no matter the cost. …

It’s almost as if Europe’s leadership now admits Orban was right in 2015.

In his book “Strangers at Our Door,” written during the 2015-16 crisis, Zygmunt Bauman, a Polish sociologist and World War II veteran, argued that militarized borders are a misguided response to uninvited guests. The only solution to fear, he wrote, is to replace hostility with hospitality, showing forms of solidarity that recognize our interdependence as a species.

So, Europe, accept the punishment the Belarusian dictator has decreed for you.

 
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  1. Spect3r says:

    ” It is, after all, more or less what the E.U. has been doing for the past five years. To avoid a repeat of the migrant crisis of 2015-16, when over a million people sought refuge in Europe, the bloc has tried to seal off the continent from another influx of people.”

    Is this bitch:

    A) Retarded
    B) Lying
    C) All of the above

    “Seal of the continent from another influx”

    I wish.
    Every day hundreds of new invaders reach and settle on EU shores.

  2. NYT every week: “Show’s over, (fellow) white people! Resistance is futile.”

  3. Smashed that Early Life on Zygmunt Bauman’s Wiki page so you wouldn’t have to… yes it says what you think it does

  4. Rob McX says:

    I see articles like this all the time – stop keeping immigrants out, there’s nothing to be afraid of. It depends on your viewpoint. If Europe is worth preserving, then all of these invaders need to be stopped. If, and only if, you hate Europe and its people, then open borders are a good idea.

  5. Why didn’t Mr. Bauman accept German migrants back in 1939?

  6. @Rob McX

    I see articles like this all the time

    The authors of such articles skew in a certain direction.

    In his book “Strangers at Our Door,” written during the 2015-16 crisis, Zygmunt Bauman, a Polish sociologist and World War II veteran, argued that militarized borders are a misguided response to uninvited guests. The only solution to fear, he wrote, is to replace hostility with hospitality

    This guy was a literal Jewish Communist military intelligence officer who fought against indigenous self-determination. So of course his opinion is the only acceptable one as to how the natives ought to conduct themselves today, because oppressing the natives back then makes you a moral authority now … or something.

    There are hundreds of millions of Europeans in Europe, yet somehow the NYT et al. only ever find the views of one tiny ethnic minority to be the acceptable ones.

  7. @Almost Missouri

    He barely lived in Poland. Left at nine years old, not to even go into his … err … cosmopolitanism.

  8. utu says:

    Zygmunt Bauman had a rank of major at age 23 in communist military secret service.

    Postmodernism made me do it: a world without blame
    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/postmodernism-made-me-do-it-a-world-without-blame-1.1201660

    “The Stalinist past of a popular sociologist has recently come back to haunt him.”

    “…participated in operations of political cleansing of alleged political opponents in Poland between 1944 and 1954″

    ” he seems, as at least one note suggests, not to have taken any major part in direct military operations because of his “Semitic background””

    “very little is actually known about his exact role in the post-war Stalinist operations in Poland in which at least 50,000 people are estimated to have died, most of them civilians. Bauman has confirmed he was a member of the secret service; however, as the paper’s commentator points out, he has remained silent on his actual deeds and level of involvement.”

    • Thanks: AP, YetAnotherAnon, Gabe Ruth
    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Dan Hayes
  9. Some Guy says:

    Do Jewish names work as a sort of dog-whistle for Jews?

    I assume they are a lot better at guessing that “Zygmunt Bauman, a Polish sociologist” is a Jew than a gentile is, so Jewish readers know who they’re supposed to believe, while gentiles might assume he’s a native Pole who’s actually thinking about what’s best for Poland.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
  10. SFG says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Absolutely correct.

    One reason they’re so much more extreme than they used to be, though, is the fact that the old idea for ‘doxxing for clicks’ and the like is somewhat outdated. (They didn’t need the attention to go after Scott Alexander…they just hated the guy.) The few high-end old-media companies that have managed to survive in the late 2010s and after have done so through *subscriptions* (online and otherwise)…people are willing to *pay* for this sort of thing. Advertising doesn’t really pay the bills as much as it used to. The NYT is playing to Upper West Side Jewish cat ladies (the younger sort spend their money elsewhere), because that’s who’s writing their checks now.

    You can see something similar with the WSJ editorial page, that’s still partying like it’s 1989. Lots of old boomercons paying for that.

    I think this is an underappreciated complement to the woke millennials/Gen Z crowd that believes in ‘moral clarity’ over white male journalistic values like accuracy.

  11. El Dato says:

    Europe is glutton for punishement

    > Invaded by blacks & muslims
    > Speech & Thought-controlled by Jews and do-gooder NGOs
    > Sterile women in leadership positions for decades
    > Implements color revolutions and bombings in the near abroad, then later notices that these are not happening across the sea as written in the NYT
    > Slaved to US external policy
    > Occupied by NATO
    > Listens to USA about importing gas that it depends on
    > Listens to USA about “confronting China”
    > More governmental do-nothing organizations than in ancient Rome just before the Fall
    > Random pampered bureaucrats living tax-free and who never had a decent job set Europe-wide internal economic policy
    > Transfers all its information on passenger flights and banking operations to USA and to the Big Data companies
    > Thinks “global warming” and “dropping out of nuclear power” is its responsibility even if people have to actually be jobless, freeze in winter and then have to dig up coal
    > Thinks it is its responsibility to impose Globohomo on the Russian sphere

    Off-topic, but any thoughts on the bizarre Facebook serial pratfalls? First their whole DNS infrastructure goes down, now there is a mysterious telegenic “whistleblower” out of nowhere, fast-tracked for bluecheck on Twitter who doesn’t actually say anything that couldn’t be read in “The Google Archipelago” and similar works.

  12. El Dato says:
    @utu

    But it’s fortifying to see 96-year old KZ secretaries get hounded for having worked in the camp that famously trialed “soap made from Jews” (it’s true!).

  13. Blimey, is Zygmunt Bauman still going? He was a lecturer at Leeds in the early 70s!

    “the vast primeval forest that lies between Poland and Belarus”

    Isn’t that the Pripet Marshes, known to all WW2 buffs as a place that you had to bypass because your vehicles would bog down?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinsk_Marshes

  14. @Rob McX

    Most pro-immigration people are ignorant.

    Some true Marxists look for the downfall of Europe because they blindly believe in Marxist crap – long proven wrong, certainly devoid of positive evidence. It is amazing how the musings and incoherent ideas of Marx, Marcuse, Freud etc are elevated to the rank of religion.

    We at TruthRevolution dot net want to elevate total truth, the whole truth, unwavering honesty to the rank of religion.

    The other teddy bear throwers and do gooders are simply brainwashed, unrealistic, misinformed dreamers.
    The Afghans are like us, will become German engineers after stepping on german dirt, their financial support comes from the bank, their food from the supermarket. The reproductive differences are changeable and it is racist to talk about it.

    Mislead, deceived, devoid of scientific thinking, but these unqualified ignorant Leftists can vote.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  15. Border sealing and wall building mostly work (Germans report heightened numbers of usual suspects on their eastern border). And it has a broad support. Recent polls estimate it 70% against accepting illegal migrants, 12% for, rest not decided. I would say the rest is also against but saying yes would mean agreeing with the governing party, hard choice for many people.
    It would be good if those number were against all migration, but you can’t have everything.

  16. @Almost Missouri

    There are hundreds of millions of Europeans in Europe, yet somehow the NYT et al. only ever find the views of one tiny ethnic minority to be the acceptable ones.

    Bauman was promoted in Poland as a sort of national sage and a moral authority by Gazeta Wyborcza, a leading liberal newspaper, whose editors are commonly mocked in Poland as “Polish-speaking,” as opposed to Polish, because ethnically they have more in common with the editors of the New York Times than with Polish society at large.

    In reality, Zygmunt Bauman was a fringe academic from a low-ranked British university. If his ancestors were Catholic, the New York Times and Gazeta Wyborcza would pay no attention to him.

    It’s almost as if the New York Times selects its authority figures on the basis of ethnicity.

  17. klesko says:

    I need an early life check on Joy Neumeyer

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  18. The “refugees” all purchased airplane flights to Minsk, with someone promising to then take them to the EU.
    Where do “refugees” get money for airplane tickets?
    What organizations are promising to illegally smuggle people across borders? Where do these organizations get their money? How do they advertise to get in touch with “refugees”?
    The same thing of course is happening on our southern border. It is a vast criminal enterprise funded by rich capitalists who effectively own the world’s governments. The governments then openly support the breaking of their own laws.
    There aren’t any refugees. Everyone on earth is being smuggled into Europe and the US. Everyone on earth isn’t a refugee. The word is now meaningless.

  19. I keep suggesting that we send some cargo ships packed full with African migrants into Chinese ports and disabling the ship power so they are stranded just off shore but nobody takes this asymmetric warfare tactic seriously, being more enamored of spec-ops roleplay and exotic nav/air weaponry. An F-35 costs billions while cost-free Africans are clamoring to serve.

    • Replies: @Flip
  20. J.Ross says:

    So the new universal political model is a Mexican standoff without the customary impulse control?

  21. WJ says:

    Neumeyer? I would like to be wrong about my assumption.

  22. Belarus is making money off this; those airplanes pay to land at Minsk. The passengers spend money buying provisions. And being Belarus, there’s no risk anyone will want to stay!

    • Agree: OFWHAP
  23. countenance says: • Website

    But I don’t want vibrant new neighbors.

    • Replies: @SafeNow
  24. @SFG

    Agree — business model trumps all.

    But there are a couple of cross-cutting issues:

    One is that when a very large or prominent business becomes an effective monopoly or part of a very stable oligopoly, then the business model becomes highly politicized. The primary goal of shareholders and senior executives becomes to protect the geyser of free cash flow at all costs. When it is big enough, this means protecting the enterprise politically.

    Microsoft failed to understand this for some time in the 90s, and Google clearly learned that lesson (as did MS eventually). All of the ‘Don’t be evil,’ engineers with 20% of their time devoted to individual projects etc. was already obviously managing the regulators 20 years ago. The FAANG (or now, FAMGA) companies have all taken this this heart. They have huge lobbying operations, they insinuate themselves with the regulatory class, they are performatively woke on cultural issues, etc.

    Which raises the second issue: cultural backdrop matters because — especially when labor markets are as tight as they are now — your employee base can make life very difficult for you. The Gramscian long march through the institutions plays out here as the woke new employees + the nice woke ladies in HR + the woke media + woke allies in the permanent government work to throw sand in the gears of any organization that doesn’t play ball on cultural issues (the massive payouts to equity holders are A-OK).

    You can see these conflicting pressures clearly in the current FB melodrama: they make their money from advertising, but are subject to all of the pressures described above. Zuck / Sandberg can’t come out and say it, but their plea for help is obvious: “Regulate me!”

  25. Brutusale says:

    OT, Steve, but it seems that Wesley Yang has discovered Sailer’s Law!

    • Replies: @Elmer T. Jones
  26. In his book “Strangers at Our Door,” written during the 2015-16 crisis, Zygmunt Bauman, a Polish sociologist and World War II veteran, argued that militarized borders are a misguided response to uninvited guests. The only solution to fear, he wrote, is to replace hostility with hospitality, showing forms of solidarity that recognize our interdependence as a species.

    There’s degrees of interdependence. If someone lives in Aghanistan, they have very little interdependence with someone living in Poland, but if that Afghan then moves to Poland, they have much more.

    Why would Polish people want to increase their interdependence with Afghans? We did this in Britain, now we have acid attacks, Islamic terrorism, rape gangs and cousin marriage. We could have simply acknowledged our “interdependence as a species”, without fear, and put practical measures in place to keep it at a minimum.

    What did that lady write about divorce? Sometimes reducing your interdependence with others is the radical and loving choice.

  27. Dan Hayes says:
    @utu

    From the Irish Times, no less! Will wonders never cease?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  28. @Brutusale

    Actually that is Elmer’s Law : When an organization becomes feminized, focus shifts from the efficient production of goods and services to the creation of rules for the comfort and security of women. Ossification and organizational death are inevitable.

  29. Anonymous[347] • Disclaimer says:

    Apparently, Zygmunt Bauman, who, as we are lectured, is a ‘Polish World War 2 Veteran’ said that ‘militarized borders’ are ‘a mistake’.

    One would need a heart of stone not to see the irony.

  30. By the way, a message dumb white nationalists cannot comprehend. Of course they don’t care for Lukashenka, but they idolize Putin as some kind of white icon.

    Just- they’re wrong.

    People like these two are not just, in some aspects, responsible if authoritarian statesmen. They don’t have racial consciousness, or, better, racial morality.

    Because some things are forbidden.

    Lukashenka could use any method to silence opposition or to make a smooth transition to a more Western, but still traditional Belarussian country. He’s got many of them at disposal.

    And he chooses to unload 3rd worlders to his enemies in a more developed north-eastern Europe.

    If this is not a race/history/culture treason, I don’t know what is….

  31. Ralph L says:

    Aren’t they supposed to pay the tribute directly to the Berbers and barbarians?

  32. Anonymous[347] • Disclaimer says:

    According to the consensus view of the modern Economist whipped political class, third world immigrants are magic unicorns who, (metaphorically), shit out good coins on the soil of the receiving nations wise enough to host them.

    – Funny how nobody wants them. I mean, all you need is a pooper scooper and – hey presto! – Instant wealth!

  33. ic1000 says:

    In the vast primeval desert that lies between Israel and Egypt, camels graze under an ancient sky alongside refugees, weak from heat and hunger. The new arrivals — 85% of them military-age men from countries including Eritrea, Sudan, Ethiopia, Ivory Coast and Nigeria — have different stories, but a shared predicament. They all purchased bus tickets to Cairo, with the promise that they would be taken to Israel, only to end up stranded among the dunes, on the wrong side of the Egypt-Israel Barrier.

    • Thanks: Rob McX
    • Replies: @International Jew
  34. showing forms of solidarity that recognize our interdependence as a species.

    Yes, the Poles, Germans, et al have long been dependent on Cameroonians and Nigerians. After all, what would European history be like without Africans and various tribal Asians?

  35. Sailer is completely deluded. Lukashenko did not “steal” his election. Indeed the US and EU did everything to topple him, but failed because of his popularity. Nor is he a “dictator.”

    • Thanks: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Professional Slav
  36. Rob McX says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Decreasing interdependence is the essence of nationhood. You build a country for a particular ethnic group or nationality with the same customs and culture, a country that serves the interests of that group and allows them to control their own destiny. You then have a people who can live together without irreconcilable differences because of their shared genetic traits, and you exclude people who would be incompatible with them. If you want the fastest route to sabotaging a nation like Britain, it would be to bring in cousin-marrying Pakistanis or boy-buggering Afghans.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  37. Mr. Anon says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Exactly. Bauman was a political commissar in a Red puppet army. He hated Poland then, and he hates it now. He probably hates England too. To refer to him merely as a “WWII veteran” is disingenuous. One has to wonder if Neumeyer has a similar ethnic axe to grind.

  38. LP5 says:
    @Rob McX

    It obviously never happened.
    Otherwise, 60 Minutes would’ve been there to document the events once they were done with Hungary segment. They are the arbiters of American understanding of all things eastern European.

    https://www.cbs.com/shows/60_minutes/video/ECJLjc_zqVN2ootgPnnSDTSw9Pa6Q10q/-we-do-not-want-to-be-diverse-why-hungary-is-paying-its-citizens-to-start-families/

  39. the migrants are the victims of President Aleksandr Lukashenko of Belarus. In retaliation for European Union sanctions against his regime, he is reportedly luring people to Minsk and then depositing them at the country’s border with Poland.

    It has nothing to do with sanctions. Lots to do with some Poles participating in a lame attempt to instigate a color revolution in Belorussia, though.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  40. Steve, you might want to edit the first sentence of the post so it doesn’t say that the dictator of Belarus stole an election by inviting in third-worlders.

  41. Anonymous[423] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dan Hayes

    From the Irish Times, no less! Will wonders never cease?

    He who loses money loses much;
    He who loses a friend, loses more;
    He who loses faith, loses all.
    — Irish proverb ☘️

    • Thanks: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Roderick Spode
  42. Veracitor says:

    NYT —> EU: Lie back and enjoy it!

  43. Altai says:

    This is why what’s happening is worse than a conspiracy, pure conspiracies can be uncovered and destroyed, this is instinct.

    This person has realised that he wants A: To deligitimise the pro-Russia regime in Belarus and B: To continue the demographic displacement of European peoples. So he must find a way to make it safe to megaphone against the Belarusian government in a way that doesn’t imply an inundation of immigrants is a punishment.

    This is why conservatives need to stop with talk about immigrants being net ‘contributors’ (Read: Taxation givers) when almost no immigrant is a benefit for the host society. Almost no immigrant ever brings or creates more wealth than they consume within a society or induces capital inflows to offset themselves. The whole point of immigration is to get something from the host society. All immigration is a burden and by making any brook for any of it, you get to Belarus unleashing a horde that even a Europe set dead to attack it to no limit except militarily can’t seem to find a way to stop it and has people like this arguing that it should be allowed.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Rob McX
    , @Wilkey
    , @Alan Mercer
    , @Abe
  44. Rob McX says:
    @Altai

    Almost no immigrant ever brings or creates more wealth than they consume within a society or induces capital inflows to offset themselves.

    If they were capable of doing so, they probably wouldn’t have to leave their home countries in the first place. Another question immigration enthusiasts never answer: If immigrants are such a benefit to their host countries, wouldn’t they be of even greater benefit to their own countries if they stayed in them?

    • Agree: notsaying
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  45. Wilkey says:

    If only there were a prosperous, Western(ish) country that some of those Syrian refugees could have fled to back in 2015. Somewhere much closer to Syria than Sweden or Poland. Maybe even one right next door. Maybe a country that Joy Neumeyer has heard of. Maybe even one where she’s eligible for citizenship.

    We live in truly whackadoodle times, where a person like Neumeyer is given a position at a university rather than tarred and feathered and set out to sea on a canoe.

    • Agree: Not Raul, Peter Johnson
  46. @Triteleia Laxa

    Speaking of Afghanistan, today (October 7) is the twentieth anniversary of the beginning of Operation Enduring Freedom (née Operation Infinite Justice).

    Yes, on this day 20 years ago, the War on Terrorism™, our glorious crusade to bring democracy and freedom to the good folks of benighted backward lands throughout the world, began.

    It seems fitting that, on this occasion, we salute those who gave their lives for … something? nothing? anything?

    Ah, never mind.

    [MORE]

    Useless trivia: On the day that the Afghan war began, Tom Brady started his second game for New England. Brady had done well in his debut as a starter one week earlier, completing 13 of 23 passes for 168 yards and no turnovers to stage an upset victory over Indianapolis, but on this day he completed 12 of 24 passes for 86 yards in a 30-10 loss to Miami. But he ended up having a pretty decent career overall.

  47. Wilkey says:
    @Altai

    Almost no immigrant ever brings or creates more wealth than they consume within a society or induces capital inflows to offset themselves. The whole point of immigration is to get something from the host society.

    Actually there are some pretty obvious signs as to whether a particular immigrant will be a net taker or contributor. It’s not that hard for us to guess – on a large scale, at least – which will be which.

  48. @Altai

    The whole point of immigration is to get something from the host society.

    Indeed. What’s more, the immigrant gives up beloved things when immigrating: his culture, food, family/neighbor ties, etc. He’ll recreate these things in the new land to the extent he can, but will always pine for the homeland. He expects to extract at least compensatory value from his new host.

    • Agree: Rob McX
  49. The Polish government, presenting itself as the nation’s protector from invasion, …

    Wtf? Does a government have any duty more sacred than protecting the nation from invasion?

    We must somehow get it through laymen’s thick skulls that stability is an essential component of goodness. That which is not stable cannot be good.

  50. Poland, Lithuania, and “Europe” in general were instrumental in triggering political crisis in Belarus, and deserve to suffer blowback from it. I’m no fan of Lukashenka, but credit to Belorussian dictator for finding his enemy’s weak spot and exploiting it. This color revolution didn’t go according to plan.

    • Agree: Haruto Rat
  51. Anon[423] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    This should be a long-term source of laughs over the next decade or so:

    Moderna plans to build vaccine plant in Africa to produce 500 million doses a year for lower-income nations

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/10/07/moderna-vaccine-plant-africa/?itid=hp-top-table-high

    Moving manufacturing into less-wealthy countries is one possible solution to the lack of global supply, but many advocates favor transferring the technology to local companies to ensure that countries have the ability to respond to new threats and to ensure their doses do not end up exported elsewhere in the world….

    Bancel said the company has not decided where the factory will be, but that the doses made there would remain in Africa, and Moderna would recruit and train a local workforce. He said the factory would manufacture the mRNA that goes into the vaccines and encase it in the protective lipid bubble that delivers the vaccine and keeps it stable. He said details were still being worked out about where the vaccines would go into vials….

    We really want to get all the know-how and so on in Africa, so they can make vaccines, if there is an Ebola outbreak, they can use the plant for things like that,” Bancel said.

    Gostin said building plants in lower-income countries was a step forward but emphasized that local control, ownership and expertise matters

    .

    I don’t know if mRNA is completely different, but normal vaccines are like giant fermentation factories that have to be super cleanroom-level facilities. The employees really have to be conscientious in addition to having half a brain.

    The part about the vials puzzles me: Is that the hard part? Why are they promising to make mRNA in Africa, but still thinking about where to do to “bottling”?

    the doses made there would remain in Africa

    Haha, no kidding! Who the hell is going to buy vaccine made in Africa to pump into their citizens? Will Africans even agree to use it?

    Look what has happened with Sputnik V, which seems like a decent traditional vaccine: Very little uptake outside of Russia, whose level of competence Africa will never reach.

  52. Left to wander the forest in freezing conditions, the migrants are the victims of President Aleksandr Lukashenko of Belarus.

    Victims? I think she means trespassers. It will be fitting and just if the ‘migrants’ freeze and/or starve. Or maybe they’ll be boar’d to death.

    Reg Cæsar, here ya go:

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  53. @Wilkey

    In the US, reportedly still half white, ~30% are net takers. A family with > 1 kid in public school is probably leeching.

  54. If only our southern borders were heavily wooded we could just “push” the migrants into the woods…maybe use agents mounted on horses. Sorry, what was I thinking…that’s not who we are.

    • Replies: @Radicalcenter
  55. @Triteleia Laxa

    Why would Polish people want to increase their interdependence with Afghans?

    I certainly don’t want to.

  56. As is well established , not kowtowing to dictators is literally Hitler!

  57. @Rob McX

    Rob, you are absolutely correct. All the doctors that left their homelands to be educated and then employed in the States could have made a huge difference at home. Same with engineers. Do any ever return and improve their fatherland?

    • Replies: @Pirate999
  58. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    Ms. Neumeyer is a writer and a historian of Russia and Eastern Europe

    A historian of that region, eh? Those kind of people brush up on some country or region so as to be able to work against them much like hostile intelligence organizations use linguistically and culturally familiar employees to subvert and sabotage some target country. The purpose here seems to be to ruin all these countries. They keep repeating the same propaganda line over and over again that Lukashenko is a “dictator” without demonstrating it or why he’s any different from most of our wonderful allies. Coming from Biden-land it’s a bad joke to keep saying he “stole” an election without any proof offered. Propaganda technique is to keep repeating the same simple slogans without end. All these people, writers and paper, are motivated by hatred. Bunch of haters dressed up as snobby intellectuals.

    • Agree: JerseyJeffersonian
  59. Hey Steve, can you call Lukashenko a dictator a few more times? We didn’t get the point.

    Do you preface each mention of Biden, Fauci, or “governor” Newsom with the word “dictator”? If not, why not?

    The EU indeed should mind its f—— business and not meddle in Belarus’s internal affairs and elections. They got what they deserved (unfortunately, their people are getting what they DON’T deserve.) Maybe they could focus their sanctimonious energies on the stolen presidential election in the USA instead?

    Also, have you focused your ire similarly on the tens of millions of hostile or unassimilable invaders whom the EU governments themselves have let in to destroy their countries? The number sent over by Belarus pales in comparison, by a factor of one hundred at least.

    EU government and its member governments have no legitimacy, deserve no loyalty from their subjects, and need to be removed and punished. Who gives a rat’s ass what they have to say about this or anything else?

    What’s your point exactly? What’s the gripe of the EU governments? “Hey, what’s Lukashenko doing sending African and Muslim men who are going to rape, harass, and assault European people, make their public spaces filthy and intimidating, burden the economy, drive taxes up, and permanently change their culture? That’s OUR job.”

    • Thanks: JerseyJeffersonian
  60. @Buffalo Joe

    Enough games already. Shoot the invaders dead en masse. People in the invaders’ countries will get the message quickly and stop trying to violate our law and enter our country against our wishes.

    Do the same with any “American” who tries to help the invaders break our law and enter our country against our wishes. Shoot them on the spot.

    • Agree: JerseyJeffersonian
    • Replies: @AndrewR
  61. Ho hum. Another Jewish writer working for Jewish funded organizations writing in a Jewish run publication telling gentile Whites to destroy themselves by taking in 3rd world migrants – something that if a gentile dared suggest Israel do would lead to the utter destruction of that gentile’s life by those same Jewish organizations.

    To quote everyone’s favorite burned out Chinese engineer working in Africa with Africans: It’s all so tiresome.

    • Thanks: JerseyJeffersonian
  62. epebble says:
    @International Jew

    Why are Belarusians not moving to Poland?

    • Replies: @Professional Slav
    , @Anon 2
  63. Speaking of “invaders” to the West…

    • Replies: @Hugo Silva
  64. ATBOTL says:

    Every single time:

    https://www.hebrewsurnames.com/NEUMEYER

    Strangely, this Jewish woman is not advocating for Israel to take Muslim and African immigrants, she only wants white countries to take them.

    It would be good for white people if Middle Eastern people like Neumayer had their own census category. That way, they couldn’t pretend to be “fellow white people” while pushing anti-white policies.

  65. glib says:

    I see nothing wrong with this. It makes economic sense for Belarus, and them EU countries tried and failed a color revolution less than one year ago. Everyone has a plan until they get punched back. Normal people learn after the first punch, but these are Brussels critters.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  66. Not Raul says:

    Is this what they mean by “Polish Plumbers”?

  67. Abe says:
    @Altai

    This person has realised that he wants A: To deligitimise the pro-Russia regime in Belarus and B: To continue the demographic displacement of European peoples. So he must find a way to make it safe to megaphone against the Belarusian government in a way that doesn’t imply an inundation of immigrants is a punishment.

    Remember several years ago when the media was saying Syrian immigration was great and wonderful and going to set off an economic boom in the EU (what with all the “engineers” and “doctors” Germany and Greece and Norway were going to nab for next to nothing) AND that it was at the same time a dastardly plot by Putin to sow geopolitical instability?

    Celebration Parallax?
    The Law of Merited Impossibility?

    https://americanmind.org/salvo/thats-not-happening-and-its-good-that-it-is/

    Michael Anton, please help us name what’s going on here!

    The Ends Justify the Kremlin? DEI Another Day? From Russia with In this Home We Believe Love is Love ?

  68. Rob says:

    One of the things that has really hurt populism is that so few smart people are populists. The upper-middle-class swelled tremendously since Reagan started increasing the federal debt every year, and increased by a larger amount almost every year. Clinton wanted to pay it down, but radio Republicans bitched until people got 500 dollar checks with the “surplus” if you have a trillion in debt, and an income of 10 billion one year (I’m making up numbers, they are just illustrative) you don’t have a surplus, you have a huge debt you need to pay down. The feds exempted government credit ownership with tax exemptions, so it encouraged people to “invest” in governmental debt rather than productive businesses. I think the new government, post-collapse, and reorganization, should only be allowed to sell debt to pay for a defensive war or to make actual investments. Actual investments are the means of production and things that enable production over the long term. Highways are an investment. Schools, beyond having heat and air conditioning everywhere that is reasonable, yes, that’s probably an investment. School wants a swimming pool? not an investment, that is a luxury good that needs to be paid for out of taxes. Can’t build it on a year’s tax revenue? Save up. It is not “fair” in that current residents pay taxes but don’t get to use the pool, cuz they are dead or moved, but governments borrowing money has been so abused, and will cause a collapse, that the next government needs to avoid it almost completely.

    [MORE]

    Anyway, smart people have, on the whole, done very well off government debt dollars going to education and medical care before the inflationary effects were felt that smart people think the new economy works for them. They look down on the white working class because almost everyone seems to need to hate someone, it seems. They’ve done well so far. I hate to be all alt-right, but I’m sure some people thought they were doing very well in interwar Germany, because they got those new marks first. The fact is that the amount of “money” in the (world) economy does not determine what goods and services people can buy or use. That is determined by the production of goods and services less goods and services used to build more means of production. Which is a function of human and physical capital, plus natural resources, which are also to some extent determined by capital available. Manipulating money can alter investment and consumption distribution by quite a lot. It can even alter the mix of goods and services produced, as different people want different things. But we can only consume and invest what is actually produced, less investment in new capital.

    “Manipulating money” is not all bad. Allocating capital is an important job with huge stakes. The people who do it are not always the ones who should be. It may not even be the money manipulators’ “fault” these are people who like money and frequently get paid percent of profit or significant bonuses for selling debt. But, they are paid bonuses for selling debt when the debt is sold. If they were gradually paid their bonus over the time the debt is actually repaid or not paid their bonus if the debt is not repaid, then they would perhaps sell a different mix of debts to a different mix of people. But when the government is guaranteeing school loans but is letting private companies collect interest, because Republicans, the banks loaned a lot of money to naive kids, and every 18-year-old is naive, who believed things based on the sociological fallacy, that differences in outcomes are caused by things that correlate with them, when there is no direct evidence of a necessary causal link. Like, employers preferred people with college degrees. They received higher pay (salaries, so not necessarily per hour) than people who did not have college degrees. They further noticed that people who went to “better” schools climbed higher, on average, than people who went to less prestigious schools. The educational establishments’ response, which in retrospect seems like it might have been self-serving, was that more people needed to go to college, then they would get the white-collar jobs that were not disappearing from globalization.

    Back then, when factories moved overseas it was called outsourcing in polite company but was called unpatriotic and even worse things in the small military town I grew up in, but left at thirteen? Twelve? Summer before 8th grade. Some bright guy at an ad agency must have come up with “globalization,” and I hope he got a huge bonus. It sounds like we lose good things to foreign countries, but we gain good things from them, too. When really, it was just moving production to foreign countries. The smart, patriotic Chinese do let foreigners own factories (or so I have heard) but they do seek foreign investments in Chinese companies’ stock, so maybe they don’t allow foreigners to own a majority of a Chinese company? Anyway, according to the Communist government, these factories are allowed for one reason: to teach the Chinese how to build and run these factories themselves. The Chinese have very smart people allocating capital!

    They may be imperfect allocators, with companies sometimes failing, and cities being built before they can be filled, but even 6% annual growth compounds mighty fastly. We tell ourselves it’s “catch up growth” but they manufacture things we no longer can. As in, the men who used to do it are dying and haven’t done it in thirty years, anyway. No one knows how the factories were laid out because nothing was digitized and the papers all got destroyed. The former workers cannot train new people to do the work. Has the production technology moved on? If so, we missed out on that. That’s a big capital improvement, doing more with fewer resources, that enriches China in real wealth: the means of production and ownership of resources.

    I blame our government’s biggest misallocation of resources and capital: the military-industrial complex. We spend far more on designing and building military equipment than we make in selling it. The hugely expensive military is so tempting for Presidents to play live-action war games and tempts the dumber ones to try nation-building in the literally worst place in the world without even trying economic development beyond looking the other way when people grew poppies. Plus, do we really want to be arms merchants to the world? Is that really what we want to be remembered for doing?

    We have a lot of scientists and engineers doing military research. Does some of it have civilian transfer potential? Probably, some of it. But civilian aviation is not interested in stealth technology. Military contractors quit making products for civilians, cuz the military is so profitable and there was no cross-pollination, no synergy, implying that there was no potential for transfer. Northrop Grumman is only milking the military, if I remember correctly, so the people who know the most about it don’t think there is much potential in transfer. The companies that do sell stuff to civilians sell things like night-vision goggles and other paramilitary equipment, which hopefully, will never be used because liberals came to their senses and decided to stop degrading our human capital.

    There are so many engineers trying to get a stealth fighter a few percent less radar-reflective that could be doing useful stuff. Designing aerodynamic skins for cars, or whatnot. There are definitely EEs doing military contracting who could be designing useful circuits for techs and machines in American factories to produce. Those techs? They’re working for military contractors, too. Does the machinery used by military contractors not do stuff they’d need to build civilian products? Well, I guess there’s no transfer there, either.

    If the current STEM folk working for the military cannot retrain, can we at least prevent another generation of scientists and engineers from being wasted? We could used the money saved to fund truly transformational tech, like von Neumann factories. Or even 99% von Neumann factories, with silicon chips produced by people and used kinda like vitamins, as vN himself suggested. Realistically, we would use the savings to give rich people another tax cut, while our brilliant venture capitalists fund cell phone game companies.

    Say what you will about the SAT, but back when it measured aptitude (meaning IQ), a lot of smart people who were not otherwise great at jumping through hoops got into college. I doubt anyone very free-thinking gets into Harvard now.

    We need a whole life inflation index. A number to get you and your kid through a middle-class life. It would include, sure food, but also restaurant prices, clothes sure, light bulbs, why not. It also includes rent, property tax, “good school” additional cost of housing, or rent in a good school zone. It includes renting an apartment because your kid is going to rent one through college. Speaking of college, it includes that too. It includes healthcare, including the portion of insurance you pay and your employer “pays”. It includes an average number of doctors visits. It includes weighted by frequency, the cost of raising an autistic or retarded kid, it includes the cost of major operations, weighted by frequency. Is tooth whitening a new requirement of the middle class? Then it should include that…
    It includes the cost of raising not the average number of kids, but the sustainable number of kids: 2.1. Includes the cost of long-term care that old people are paying now, and the LTC insurance that so many people are buying, but will fail as prices go up even more than they expected, and the feds have to bail them out. I’d be curious about the current price of all these things, averaged for frequency, and how many people fall short. I’m guessing a lot.

    It should also include the cost of kids for people who wanted families but couldn’t have them, because for a lot of them, me for example If we had socialized medicine, I could have gotten my awful chronic injuries repaired, and I would not have twisted, and I would have a normal upper-middle-class life, at worst. So trying to get some number on the opportunity cost of people falling through the cracks. Young people with chronic injuries and severe pain are especially likely to fall through, because when you say your back hurts, they say, “yeah, my back hurts, too.” If you say, “do you scream about it and self-mutilate to cope with the unbearable pain?” you get decades on non-consensual medical care. And no one cares about helping “crazy” people. But I would have developed normally without the pain. The younger I had been treated, the better I’d have turned out. But when you’re finally 18 and can get healthcare without parental consent, physicians are like “you’ve lived with this since you were six, how bad could it be?” If you answer “I should have hanged myself?” Back to non-consensual medical care. When I was 6 or 12, or 16, or 18…I could have waited a month or two for a non-crippling surgery. At 39-something, I could not hold on one more day, so I got a discectomy-laminectomy instead of a micro one done arthroscopically, I wouldn’t be crippled. Did not even get a second opinion. Not sure I want to know if I could be in so much less pain, so I’ve never asked a doctor.

    I think I want my money to go to a charity that helps teenagers in severe pain, but parents who don’t believe them emancipated. Wonder if there are any?

    If I had had treatment when I needed it, I would not be leaving long rambling comments, I’d be, well, most realistically, I’d be a science prof writing grants all day. So I’d still be babbling.

    Sorry for the digression. Not sure anyone reads my comments this far in.

    So smart people think they’ve done well, but we are not at the “new economy” state we hoped to be in. Harking back to an earlier comment, biomed research is pretty much worthless. Eighty percent is bad, but which eighty percent? Not sure how far that goes into basic biology. Better, more honest research would improve our pharma research. Brand drugs are one thing we can still manufacture, but even those prices are subsidized by the government, so who knows what the clearing price of flabtabamibe would be in a market where the government did not pay any price that company’s offered?

    The upper-middle-class would be devastated if the inflation of QE hit the “real” economy. But doesn’t it have to, eventually? Or stock prices drop considerably? I mean, boomers are going to sell assets, they are going to get cheaper. Could boomers demand that companies pay dividends, I mean to buy back stock? Then the money goes into the real economy, but the real economy is only so big in terms of stuff produced and services rendered. Extra money, regardless of its source, means more money chasing the same amount of stuff, that has to be bad?

    But if we inflate our way out of debt? Well, government bonds were bought by people who did not want to pay taxes on their “investments”, so it is kinda poetic that their “investments” will get less valuable. Had they paid that same money in taxes, we would not be in this mess, and Reagan is the villain. Economists are all “no such thing as a free lunch!” But then they are all “except government debt and deficit spending. Those free lunches are tasty!”

    What would a whole middle-class life cost inflation annual inflation index show from 1980 to today? I have no idea. I was two. Even one that was just medical care, health insurance, rent, and education, which would be easier to calculate would show a huge increase in the price of middle-class life. In rhetoric, we have always claimed to be a middle-class nation and should show that in our statistics.

    More miserable, formerly high-income people may be good for populism. They will see the wisdom of having a more balanced economy, the cost of selling long-term assets for short-term consumption. Trump will look like a prophet if he is dead, but a madman if still alive. And he will run for President as late as 2028. And since no Republicans can defy the donors and pick up Candidate Trump’s script, tens of millions of people will vote for President Trump, praying for Candidate Trump in office. They will get President Trump again, but much further in dementia.

    This time, I must admit, I did not really try to write on topic, but maybe I did? Like a little? That’d be nice. Wonder what this post was about?

    Hey Ron Unz, give us a counter for how many times people click on our More tags! It’d be like getting a like, which is good. Or not getting a like, which is bad. It would encourage longer, better comments.

  69. Anonymous[658] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rob McX

    Stable sustainable populations are vital for the wealthy nations even if no one can quite bring themselves to say it.

    The entropy of mass immigration is an existential threat and everyone knows it.

  70. anon[397] • Disclaimer says:

    We should trade populaces with the 3rd world.

    In 2 generations, we would have made formerly 3rd world areas nice (paved roads, nice buildings, electricity, plumbing, agriculture, national wildlife preserves, etc) and they’d probably be somewhat maintaining America and Europe.

    Gotta be a full swap though.

  71. Not Raul says:
    @International Jew

    And being Belarus, there’s no risk anyone will want to stay!

    Sure; but if the choice is between staying in Belarus, and returning to Afghanistan, where their attempt to settle in Europe might raise suspicions, staying in Belarus might be the least bad option.

  72. anon[830] • Disclaimer says:

    So, the failure that is Afghanistan is the doing of the US (and the EU,) shouldn’t you take some responsibility for it by admitting these migrant/refugees????????

  73. Rob says:

    Oh yeah, i remember what i was going to start with. It is on-topic.

    A few months ago, Scott Alexander wrote a piece saying that jewish success in America was exceptional and people should study it. It was contra an old Klein(?) piece saying the opposite. Scott pointed out all the reasons Jewish success in America was exceptional. He argued that the reasons Klein gave were not true. He was however mystified by what the cause of jews climbing so high was.

    I too was flummoxed. Until a commenter pointed out that ashkenazi jews have a much higher verbal and mathematical IQ average than whites. Even incorporating their lower performance IQ, they average perhaps 15 points higher than gentile whites.

    A lot of jews in the comments discussef their ancestors’ lives in the old world. They including a lot of moving to this one country because it had a booming economy, profiting, then moving to this next coubtry with a hot economy, and moving to a third country when that second country started faltering. Why these countries that were doing so well when the Jews arrived started faltering was not given, and certainly mystifies me.

    [MORE]

    Another conmenter said that his ancestors at draftable ages would move from a country that was going to war or was already at war to a peaceful country, and live with family there until the draftiness subsided. I refrained from asking him why people did not think of Jews as fellow citizens sharing the burdens of citizenship as well as the fruits when the economy was stronger. I did not ask, but i am thoroughly mystified by this.

    Point being, all old stereotypes had a lot of false things incorporated. Like the working class thinking the upper-class and pro-man-class are pedophiles, but they act in ways that are unmasculine by working-class norms because expressions of madculinity vary with both culture and social class. I was so happy when i got to Reed and met other guys who did not care about pro sports. They cared about weed! And academics, of course. But some stereotypes survive contact with the Other. These stereotypes sometimes are basef on true things.

    It would really be a good idea for American Jews to consider what sort of nation they could stand, rather than making America their ideal nation, before moving to greener pasture, I mean. If nothing else, if the American “experiment” fails, immigration will be a significant partnof why. Lots of countries will not look so fondly at immigrants if the biggest immigrant destination cracks under the weight. Or even just becomes third world for everyone? The rich will still be rich, they’ll just travel by armored car or helicopter, like in Brazil. They’ll have good help, finally!

    They may be expecting to go to China, but how accurate is Chinese thought about America’s shadow sociology? Such as the fact that all sociology is trash. None of it asks or answers any interesting questions. There are dogs that do not bark in Americans’ writing about postwar America. Do the Chinese understand that in America, research is usually done by activists trying to “prove” what they want and investigating things that are agreed upon by funders and researchers. That the ethnic makeup of a department can influence their “research” findings? I don’r just mean Jews. But everyone on the sociology boat is all multiculti, and is anyone researching “in existing workplaces, how do members of different ethnicities avoid, or fail to avoid ethnuc conflicts?” “What are the ground-level behaviors people have adopted that minimize racial friction and lawsuits?” “How do these vary by type of job, unskilled, skilled, knowledge-based verbal, STEMy, and finer gradations?” “How do people minimize ethnic strife when employees are mostly black and hispanic, mostly black with some hispanics, etc?” “What does upper management think of these lower-down conflict avoidance mechanisms? Do they even know about them?” These would be interesting findings with real-world applications. Tesla would love to have known how black-hispanics(?) people got along with non-black hispanics. Or how black-hispanics deal with language that is the norm among black men of that class, but he thinks is a terrible insult? How do people handle common words in other languages that sound like bad words in yours? What happens when a professor tells a Vietnamese girl named Phuc Yu that she needs to chose and use an American nickname in lieu of her actual name? Is he fired? (yes)

    Or even questions like, how has the rise of the Jews, the only bunch of intelligent whites who treat each other as an in group, an ethnic group whose every time as the ruling class has been an absolute disaster for the natives, affected American culture and politics. That research could never be performed here. Or anywhere with Jewish participation and honesty if they new what the researcher was actually investigating. Because unlike white Americans, Jewish Americans, who by pure happenstance resemble whites, are not white. Depending on the Jewish person you ask, of course. Jewish people have healthy self-respect and are not interested in being critiqued.

    But they really should do a self critique. Because whoever is actually at fault, and i cannot blame one ethnic group, but they are a cohesive bloc and the brains of the left, Jews will be blamed.

    Keeping America as healthy as possible, which is much less healthy than she would bebwith 1980’s demographics, but maybe we’ll all see that as water under the bridge?

    I hope this comment does not kill my instant posting privilege here.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
    , @ATBOTL
  74. As says:

    In his book “Strangers at Our Door,” written during the 2015-16 crisis, Zygmunt Bauman, a Polish sociologist and World War II veteran, argued that militarized borders are a misguided response to uninvited guests. The only solution to fear, he wrote, is to replace hostility with hospitality, showing forms of solidarity that recognize our interdependence as a species.

    Bauman is Jewish.

    • Replies: @cliff arroyo
  75. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Or maybe they’ll be boar’d to death.

    EU BorderView™ holiday package offer

    Berms and conditions may apply. Offer not valid in some territories and in Tuskany. See boar manager for details.

  76. notsaying says:

    Off Topic:

    ‘Headbutting a keyboard is now a sexuality’: Justin Trudeau is mocked for using the latest sexual identities acronym 2SLGBTQQIA+’

    Some great responses from Twitter to the use of the most recent expansion of what used to be “gays and lesbians.” This headline was my big laugh of the day. Luckily I am home so I could suddenly laugh out loud in peace.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10068243/Justin-Trudeau-mocked-using-latest-sexual-identities-acronym-2SLGBTQQIA.html

  77. Amon Dool says:

    Lukashenko isn’t a ‘dictator’.

    He’s a great leader.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
  78. anon[173] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘Jewface’: the only ‘erasure’ Hollywood doesn’t care about

    Racial sensitivity is all the rage in film and TV casting – except when it comes to Gentiles playing Jews. Why?

    By Tanya Gold

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/jewface-erasure-hollywood-doesnt-care/

    I hate to say it, but I think Sailer’s Law Of Female Journalism is involved tangentially here.

    Why should Jewish girls be played by shiksas who are prettier than they actually were in real life?

  79. Open borders? Stolen elections? Hmmmm…. Sounds awfully familiar…. Hmmmm… Trying to put my finger on it.

  80. @Rob

    I read the whole thing and I agree with all of it.

    Economics is the critical problem of our time, not race relations or woke politics; all of that stuff is downstream from the dominant, elite-favoring system of financial repression that governs the age. Consequently, any man, any institution, any doctrine that does not put economics at the very center of concern is untimely and destined for irrelevancy. There is a looming catastrophe on the horizon that will force each of us to grapple with this fundamental question, namely “How can we climb down from the post-financial, post-industrial overshoot we have worked ourselves into? How can we reorganize the economy into something that actually serves good purposes and human needs?”

    It’s clear you have thought a great deal about this, as have I. I believe we would be in substantial agreement about many things and I look forward to some good exchanges in the future.

  81. SafeNow says:
    @countenance

    “But I don’t want vibrant new neighbors”

    Jared Taylor helpfully provides two synonyms. “verve” and “spontaneity”.
    I’m sure the Harvard admissions committee knows these and could furnish others.

  82. @notsaying

    I propose that all various non-straight-identity (unpronounceable) ‘acronyms’ be consolidated henceforth as FAQU :

    FAQU is comprised of the first two letters in each word in the phrase “Faackin’ Queeah” (traditional ‘working class’ Boston MA accent) and is pronounced “Faa Q” (Boston accent optional). Slightly edited example:

    State Department authorizes U.S. embassies to fly the FAQU Flag.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/23/us/us-embassy-pride-flag.html

    Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken has authorized U.S. diplomatic missions across the world to fly the FAQU rainbow pride flag on the same pole as the American flag at embassies and consulates, according to a State Department cable reviewed by The New York Times.

    During his confirmation hearing in January, Mr. Blinken told lawmakers he would support the rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and questioning people, including allowing the FAQU pride flag at U.S. embassies, appointing a FAQU envoy, and rejecting the findings of a Trump administration “Commission on Unalienable Rights” which human rights scholars saw as a threat to FAQU and abortion rights. An envoy is yet to be named.

    In the cable, which was earlier reported by Foreign Policy, State Department officials were told that when making decisions at their outposts to support FAQU rights, they should ensure that the policy of “do no harm” is followed in order to prevent a backlash against the local FAQU population.

    • LOL: notsaying
  83. ATBOTL says:
    @Rob

    I too was flummoxed. Until a commenter pointed out that ashkenazi jews have a much higher verbal and mathematical IQ average than whites. Even incorporating their lower performance IQ, they average perhaps 15 points higher than gentile whites.

    Jewish IQ is nowhere near that high, that’s an absurd claim. Jewish power comes from networking, just like the Italian mafia’s power comes from networking, not individual prowess.

  84. In his book “Strangers at Our Door,” written during the 2015-16 crisis

    I love the verbal slipperiness of these people.

    There was a “crisis,” just like how the “immigration system” in the U.S. is “broken” and is in need of “reform” (i.e. open borders).

    It’s never, “we are being invaded.” No, it’s just a “broken system,” and the fix is never, ever enforcing existing laws or building a wall.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
  85. ATBOTL says:
    @Rob

    Or even questions like, how has the rise of the Jews, the only bunch of intelligent whites who treat each other as an in group…

    Jews are Middle Eastern Semites, essentially Arabs. They are biologically, genetically, racially and culturally not European. So they are not the only “white” group to be tribal, they are tribal in the way that all Semitic peoples are.

    • Replies: @anonymous coward
  86. @SFG

    You can see something similar with the WSJ editorial page, that’s still partying like it’s 1989. Lots of old boomercons paying for that.

    I say:

    Wall Street Journal owner Rupert Murdoch and WSJ editorial page editor Paul Gigot may surpass most Jews in their support for nation-wrecking mass immigration. Gigot is notorious for allowing Jewish writers to push for mass immigration in the editorial pages of the Wall Street Journal. Very rarely does Gigot allow a writer from the European Christian ancestral core of the USA make the case for immigration reductions.

    Baby boomer money-grubber Wall Street Journal readers love the smell of cheap labor from mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration and those bastards love financialization and globalization and multiculturalism and they love the fact that regular White Core Americans are under attack from mass immigration-induced WHITE GENOCIDE.

    Quantitative Tightening Now!

    Pop The Asset Bubbles And Financially Liquidate The Readership Of The Evil WSJ!

    • Replies: @Muggles
  87. J.Ross says:

    Grandparent no cry, grandparent proud!

  88. Pirate999 says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Exactly these third world professionals take the money and run. They have nothing but contempt for the citizens of their native countries.

  89. Not to minsk words, but this is White Russia, after all.

    …Jaroslaw Kaczynski, claimed that Muslim refugees carried parasites.

    Even worse, they carry Korans.

  90. Flip says:
    @Elmer T. Jones

    I suspect the Chinese would take a harder line than Western countries would. Probably harvest their organs and sell them.

  91. O/T, surprised you haven’t done a post on Trea Turner. Awesome player.

  92. Rob McX says:
    @Patrick in SC

    A crisis is something that happens in spite of your efforts to prevent it. From the point of view of EU rulers, the only crisis would be if immigration stopped in spite of their efforts to facilitate it.

  93. To avoid a repeat of the migrant crisis of 2015-16, when over a million people sought refuge in Europe, the bloc has tried to seal off the continent from another influx of people.

    But these efforts, often draconian and brutal, have failed. In the aftermath of the Taliban’s takeover of Afghanistan and as unrest continues across the world, more people will head for Europe. The next migrant crisis has arrived.

    With southern routes choked off, the bloc’s eastern border has become a major point of entry. …

    Poland’s response has been severe. … Not content with a media blackout, it’s also, like neighboring Lithuania, erecting a fence along the border.

    A fence! My god, a fence!

    There is nothing “draconian and brutal” about a fence to keep people out. (Maybe a fence to keep people in–i.e. a prison.) I’ve encountered numerous fences in my travels and while occasionally quite curious about “what’s in there?” never found them “brutal”, just sort of-fenceive.

    Draconian and brutal is dealing with foreigners the time tested way of invading and killing them. Simply putting up a fence and saying “This is our place, you’re not welcome without permission” is polite, civilized and responsible.

    Newcomers must be turned away, no matter the cost. …

    Turning them away is essentially zero. It’s letting them in is ridiculously expensive as anyone honest with a brain capacity beyond “turnip” knows.

    If the West is going to survive its going to have to stop listening to the emotional drama (misplaced nurturing instinct) of–mostly childless–women. A worse source of advice can not be found, except …

    ~~

    In his book “Strangers at Our Door,” written during the 2015-16 crisis, Zygmunt Bauman, a Polish sociologist and World War II veteran, argued that militarized borders are a misguided response to uninvited guests. The only solution to fear, he wrote, is to replace hostility with hospitality, showing forms of solidarity that recognize our interdependence as a species.

    I’ve been informed by high IQ commenters here, that Zygmunt’s cheerleading the destruction of the West, is only because he is high IQ and has picked up his minoritarian, anti-national, anti-white impulses from copying high IQ American WASPs.

    • Agree: JerseyJeffersonian
  94. @nosquat loquat

    You’re a moron.
    The tractor driver has been in power sicne 1994, murdering opposition and journalists. Some “elections” had him winning 90% of the vote. He keeps people in perpetual poverty so much so that laws are enacted to prevent people from leaving the country. If you think the Belarussians vote him in at 90% rate, you’re either a shill or a retarded person.
    In one of the elections (can’t recall which year) when he was accused of forging counts, with evidence presented, the kolhoznik came out and said “yes, we had to forge the count, but we actually decreased my winning margin! from 90% to 70% as to not make it suspicious that I won in such a landslide.”
    It’s a shame hell doesn’t exist for people like him.

    • Thanks: Grahamsno(G64)
  95. @Rob McX

    If Europe is worth preserving, then all of these invaders need to be stopped. If, and only if, you hate Europe and its people, then open borders are a good idea.

    Simply and clearly said, Rob–thanks.

    And it really is that simple. Europe and Europeans have a particular character. If you want to preserve it, invaders must be kept out. If you hate it and are trying to destroy it you want the invaders to flood in.

  96. @klesko

    “I need an early life check on Joy Neumeyer”

    Sorry, I only do physiognomy.

  97. @epebble

    They are. Luka has to make laws to prevent people from leaving. Our bamboozled right wing in this thread are really hell bent on defending this farmer brainlet: “no you can’t call him a dictator when we have blacks in Philly stealing our elections!!”, without realizing both can be true.
    Apparently thousands upon thousands of Belarussians tired of living in dictatorial poverty came out to protest (peacefully I might add) only because of fake propaganda by the West! Glorious leader Lukashenko sicking off his goons to beat up grandmothers wanting a few more rubles in their pensions after paying 90%+ tax rate their entire life is a good thing, you see.
    Belarussians don’t realize how happy they are in their tiny commie block apartments having a 1990s car as a luxury, that realization must be beat into them so they vote Lukashenko in again (at 90%+!).

    • Thanks: EdwardM
  98. Daniel H says:

    In the vast primeval forest that lies between Poland and Belarus……

    A bullshitter. Just regurgitates what she has been fed. If she gets this wrong, all other assertions and impressions of her article are suspect.

    There is no vast primeval forest on the Polish, Belarus. Yes, there is a forest. Can be correctly described as primeval in some contained patches, but in no way is it vast. Google/Bing the map. Judge for yourself.

    There is a core forested area that makes up about 100-150 square miles, hardly vast. Ontario is vast. Quebec is vast. Yukon is vast….This park is not vast. And within that forested area are countless clearings, work garages, small holder plots, etc. Would it be that Europe still had vast uncharted forests. Sigh…

    This matters because those advocating mass immigration to the USA and western Europe play on the ignorance of the public, and ignorance that has led many westerners to believe that both the USA and Europe hold vast, untapped wilderness or rural preserves, effortlessly capable of supporting a billion or more immigrants. Nothing is further from the truth. Europe and the USA are filled up, crowded, hot, parched. We don’t need immigrants. Sure we can endure, but an American of 1 billion people would just endure, nothing more. Just say no to more people.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
  99. O/T, but speaking of immigrants:

    “India has been a talent factory for P&G worldwide and one of the largest exporters of top talent to P&G globally. The company has approximately 350 Indian expats in roles across the company with the recent being Shailesh Jejurikar becoming the first Indian to be elevated to COO of the company.”

  100. @Rob McX

    If Europe is worth preserving, then all of these invaders need to be stopped. If, and only if, you hate Europe and its people, then open borders are a good idea.

    BTW, again “separate nations” is appropriate.

    If Joy Neumeyer and Zygmunt Bauman and like minded others want to live (and support) migrants and “refugees” let’s find them a little place they can do it. But … let the rest of us who do not go about our business.

    But that, of course, is precisely *not* what these immigrationists demand. A few motivated Christians aside, most immigrationists–and certainly the Zygmunt Bauman types who are always baying for open borders–have zero interest in refugees. Their interest is entirely and precisely in *not* allowing white deplorables to go about their business in their own nations.

    “Separate nations” unmasks the moral chasm between the two sides. The immigrationists are not virtuous but evil–nasty, vile people whose motivating desire is wrecking what other people have.

  101. Batman says:

    In his book “Strangers at Our Door,” written during the 2015-16 crisis, Zygmunt Bauman, a Polish sociologist and World War II veteran, argued that militarized borders are a misguided response to uninvited guests. The only solution to fear, he wrote, is to replace hostility with hospitality, showing forms of solidarity that recognize our interdependence as a species.

    Half right. You need militarized borders to keep people in, but not to keep people out. You can easily keep people out with an adequate level of punishment and an adequate level of enforcement to flip the expected value calculation negative. I favor crucifixions prominently posted at the most popular border crossings. Cheaper solutions involve modest bounties for scalps. Migrants will not come illegally, and legal migrants will not illegally overstay, if there is a reasonable chance of being killed for doing it.

  102. Rob McX says:
    @Daniel H

    This matters because those advocating mass immigration to the USA and western Europe play on the ignorance of the public, and ignorance that has led many westerners to believe that both the USA and Europe hold vast, untapped wilderness or rural preserves, effortlessly capable of supporting a billion or more immigrants.

    A lot of it is simple geographic ignorance, something the NYT is not in any hurry to correct. Here’s a map you very rarely see:

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  103. Alfa158 says:
    @Some Guy

    As a general rule you can tell ethnicity by whether a name ending in “man” is spelled with one n or two. I have no clue why 90% of Jewish names will only have one n and vice versa.

  104. @Amon Dool

    “Lukashenko isn’t a ‘dictator’.

    He’s a great leader.”

    Sailer is just tantruming because President Lukashenko said fuck you to the CoronaHoax. Sailer is a devout Vax Covidiot, so he takes it personally and lashes out like a little bitch.

    Hey, did you know Sailer survived cancer a few years back? He likes to mention it at least once a month.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  105. @Stan Adams

    October is National [school] Bullying Prevention Month.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
  106. Lurker says:
    @SFG

    I assume that many big name media outlets are run for propaganda purposes. Rather than making money or just breaking even.

    Of course, sure, if they can get subscriptions, sell advertising space etc then great, that’s a nice bonus.

  107. @As

    First, he died in January of 2017.

    Second, Polish and Jewish are more categories that overlap a bit rather than being mutually exclusive like Russian and Jewish.

    Poland never made the Russian distinction between россияне (citizens of the Russian state) and русские (ethnic Russians) so there’s no easy way to distinguish between ‘nationalities’… there’s just Polacy (for citizens of Poland regardless of ethnic background or those of Polish ethnic background regardless of citizenship).

  108. Anon 2 says:
    @epebble

    Re: Why are Belarusians not moving to Poland?

    They are. Within the E.U. Poland has been one of the largest recipients
    of immigrants, esp. since 2014, but most of them are from Ukraine
    (estimated 1.5 million Ukrainians now live, work, and study in Poland),
    and much smaller numbers are from Belarus, Russia, Armenia or
    Georgia. The situation is, however, in a state of flux since many
    Ukrainians are guest workers who need to renew their visas periodically.
    Thousands of the Ukrainians, Belarusians, and Russians have
    Polish ancestry which they can use (through “Karta Polaka” /Polander’s
    Card/) to emigrate permanently to Poland.

    Poland is kind of trendy right now. Some may recall how after the fall
    of the Soviet Union, Prague became a popular destination for young
    people since it was picturesque and inexpensive. It’s Poland’s time
    now. Young people are flocking to Warsaw, Krakow, and Wroclaw
    to live inexpensively, maybe teach English, and just have fun.
    In the last couple of days I saw vlogs on YouTube started by two
    young American women who suddenly felt like moving to Poland,
    and so they did. One thing they stress is how unsafe they felt in the U.S.
    as women, and how safe they feel in Poland. Poland is almost like
    Japan in that it has extremely low levels of social dysfunction (murder,
    rape, homelessness, single motherhood, drug addiction, etc), esp.
    compared to the U.S. There is a young Russian woman who emigrated to
    Poland with her husband, and in her vlog she can’t get over how clean
    and civilized Poland is compared to Russia.

    Music brings people together, and in the last few years young people
    everywhere have noticed how dynamic the Polish rap scene has
    become. E.g., check out Mata’s recent video “Kiss Cam.” It has
    also not gone unnoticed that Poland won Junior Eurovision twice
    in a row, and will send a very strong candidate in December to Paris.
    Two Polish musicians currently have worldwide following: Jakub
    Orliński, 31, a countertenor, who, according to his fans, is endowed
    with both unearthly beauty and heavenly voice; and Marcin (Patrzalek),
    21, a guitar virtuoso. Watch him rip through Led Zeppelin’s Kashmir.

    Of course, it doesn’t hurt that in the last few years Robert Lewandowski
    (watch his 5 goals in 9 minutes), Iga Świátek (tennis), Witcher 3, Andrzej
    Sapkowski, and Olga Tokarczuk (Nobel in Literature) have also become
    world famous.

    • LOL: Dmitry
    • Replies: @Anon 2
  109. @Anonymous

    LMAO the Irish nation has by no means been “destroyed.” Not while I live.

    What a hack Jones is.

  110. Engels says:
    @Rob

    Well, I approve of your foray into old school Marxism.

  111. @Joe Stalin

    Let’s promote globohomo propaganda in China. That should solve the West’s problems!

  112. @notsaying

    Wouldn’t it be easier just refering to them as sexual deviants?

  113. @ATBOTL

    Wow, I didn’t know “-berg” and “-stein” were Semitic names!

    Also, what Semitic tribe wears fur hats? Asking for a friend.

  114. @Rob McX

    You are absolutely right. I’ve run out of “Agree” and “Thanks” buttons, so I must just tell you outright.

    You are correct. It is we who inhabit the smaller living spaces, and it is we who have better managed our resources and ourselves.

    Our people have more wisely shepherded both our natural resources and managed our populations. We have done this both instinctively and by way of conscious, well-thought-out decisions — decisions based on what early American Citizens called “enlightened self-interest.”

    We do not need to “out reproduce” the morons who over-reproduce. We do not need any more people, and we can do very well, thank you, with fewer.

    It is in our DNA to naturally get into balance with our environment and to make the best of it. This is a fact proven by our history now, but we are not allowed to state it.

  115. It’s almost as if Europe’s leadership now admits Orban was right in 2015.

    You’re damn right he’s right.

    Orban goes way back as a Hungarian nationalist who was ballsy enough even during communism to be politically active in opposition. He frickin’ deserves to be where he is now.

    My wife has known about him all his career, which parallels her life. She even gets to vote for him from all the way over here, or from Transylvania. He and his government have taken measures to allow Hungarian people to vote and to be part of the Hungarian nation even if they live in lands stolen from Hungary, or over here where many ended up as a diaspora.

    You never hear about a Hungarian diaspora, but there is one. They just don’t own our media or control our academia or our government.

    Victor Orban is a hero.

  116. @Abolish_public_education

    Yet another cherished adolescent rite of passage – ritual humiliation of the physically unattractive and socially inept – is under attack by rabid SJWs. Is nothing sacred anymore?

    The 18-year-old black kid who shot up his school claims he was bullied for being rich:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10071171/Family-15-year-old-shot-classroom-fight-say-sweet-caring-child-fighting-life.html

    Now, back in the halcyon days of my youth, it was the kids who shopped at Abercrombie and Fitch who mocked the kids who shopped at Goodwill, not the other way around. The pretty girls mocked the ugly ones; the strong boys mocked the weak ones. The social hierarchy was rigidly enforced. But everything is topsy-turvy nowadays.

    If you want a vision of the future, Winston, imagine a 5’4” drama fag’s size-7 slippers stomping on a 6’5” dumb jock’s face – forever. Imagine the 250-pound smelly goth chick sneering in contempt at the silly little cheerleader purging in the bathroom sink. Imagine the freshmen shoving the seniors into lockers.

    That is the world we are preparing. I can’t wait!

  117. @ic1000

    The Bedouin slave markets must be doing brisk business.

  118. AndrewR says:
    @Radicalcenter

    When Sailer begs for money in December I’ll point to this comment and contrast it with the hundreds of non-fedposty comments of mine that he has refused to approve over the years.

  119. Muggles says:

    So, Europe, accept the punishment the Belarusian dictator has decreed for you.

    So perhaps we can deal with the unwanted flood of Haitians by simply buying them all one way airplane tickets from Port-au-Prince to Paris.

    Some already speak some bad version of French.

    Make sure Merkel gets a few too. All those German Muslims will enjoy the vibrant culture of their new Voodoo practicing neighbors. Diversity will be their strength too.

  120. @TruthRevolution.net

    Agreed, except that religions themselves are largely incoherent, arbitrary, and absurd.

  121. @International Jew

    No risk anyone would want to stay in Belarus? Okay, if you say so.

    From our vantagepoint here in shithole Los Angeles, where I was assaulted and permanently injured, and filth trash feces urine drug-needles and mentally ill people clog the sidewalks, alleys, and parks for miles on end, for years on end, Belarus doesn’t sound so bad at all.

    Moreover, do you really think that those savages wouldn’t prefer Belarus over where they’re from, if Belarus were suicidal enough to let them stay? Please.

  122. Muggles says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    Pop The Asset Bubbles And Financially Liquidate The Readership Of The Evil WSJ!

    Hold on there!

    I agree that the Journal has some terrible opinion writers (Peggy Noonan!, Givot!) and has far too many Woke reviewers and opinion pieces. Some of the supposed “news” articles are just reprinted AP stories full of lies or distortions.

    Yeah, bad.

    But if your local paper is even worse, what national (or major local) newspaper would be better? Few can get the NY Post outside of NYC, and even that’s probably not very good.

    If there is a better actual newspaper out there with any national scope at all, let’s hear about it. I haven’t found it. I stopped my own WSJ subscription during the worst of their neocon worship period, but resumed when the local Hearst rag somehow became even more horrible.

    American journalism has become obscenely bad.

  123. @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Sailer and Karlin should stay huddled in the closet together with their face diapers on and let normal men live their lives, raise their families, and make our own assessments of risk and our own decisions. (Closet may mean more for Karlin than Sailer, but I digress.)

    But Covidiot or not, it’s easy to understand the enormous relief that one would get from surviving cancer and the inclination to think and talk about it with happiness and gratitude. I’m glad Steve survived and don’t mind him talking about whenever the impulse strikes him.

    Having said that, perhaps he and The Chechen Swordsman can mind their damn business, get all the unnecessary injections they want, unnecessarily restrict their own movement and activity as much as they want, and get the Hell out of our lives.

    There’s no obligation to be polite to people who lend support to those who dictate to us, threaten us, fire us, destroy our jobs or businesses or life savings, forcibly inject us, mandate that our children not breathe and interact in a healthy manner for 35, 40, 50 hours per week, separate people with a drumbeat of undue fear and suspicion, etc. Who the Hell The World’s Most Overrated Columnist and the Chechen Swordsman think they are, I’m not sure.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  124. Anon 2 says:
    @Anon 2

    A young Russian fellow living in Poland has an interesting vlog (in Russian)
    in which he discusses his new life in Poland. One segment was entitled
    “Why Russians should immediately start moving to Poland.”
    He says that when he lived in Russia a big chunk of his (small) salary
    went to keep the oligarchs in yachts and villas in the south of France.
    In Poland there are no oligarchs to speak of (compare the modest
    living arrangements of Kaczynski, Poland’s most powerful politician,
    to those of Putin, one of Russia’s richest oligarchs who of course is
    very secretive about his wealth), he says, so the salary I get in Poland
    belongs to me.

    Geography is destiny, and Poland is in many ways returning to
    the days of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth when the latter
    was the largest country in Europe. If it wanted to, Poland could
    easily attract 10 million immigrants from Ukraine, Belarus, Russia,
    Spain, Portugal, and Greece. There are now small but growing
    numbers of immigrants from Spain, Portugal, and Greece in Poland.
    Global warming helps. Poland is not as cold as it used to be.
    The fact that it’s so far north (northernmost point of Poland has
    roughly the same latitude as northern Canada) carries some advantages.
    E.g., the number of Gypsies in Poland is very small compared to their
    numbers in Czechia, Hungary or Romania.

    • Thanks: epebble
  125. epebble says:

    immigrants from Spain, Portugal, and Greece in Poland.

    Spaniards moving to Poland? That is quite something. I had heard about the British moving to Spain for better weather (and better food). I can understand going to neighboring EU countries like Germany or France. But Poland? I thought Poland (like Ireland) is famous for emigration. Well, I think it is fashionable for everyone to move someplace else.

    • Replies: @cliff arroyo
  126. @RadicalCenter

    Who the Hell The World’s Most Overrated Columnist and the Chechen Swordsman think they are, I’m not sure.

    At least get your Caucasoids right, goddammit.

    I’m Dag, not Chechen.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  127. @Anatoly Karlin

    I know, I was just being a dick. As another commenter said, we’ve often become angrier or “more closed” in the past couple years, and I’ll add, perhaps too much so.

    I understand that neither you nor Ramzan would appreciate being sincerely conflated with each other.

    Since we are on the topic of Caucasus peoples, have you considered getting in touch with that part of your heritage or family? Spending time down in Dagestan and writing about it? Would like to see an in-depth AK look at the deal that allowed Kadyrov to grab some Dagestani territory (net) and hear your thoughts on how Putin’s successor should deal with the non-Slavic Muslim southern underbelly of the motherland.

    Thanks, swordsman 😉

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  128. @epebble

    I was surprised to find out there’s a small Spanish community in the Polish city (half a million inhabitants) I live in (I’d noticed people speaking Spanish in different places but assumed they were all tourists which apparently they aren’t).
    An acquaintance who knows some says they’re mainly young people trying to do anything to get out of Spain and it’s Euro enforced austerity.
    I do know a Catalan nationalist (who comes to the city periodically) who hates the Euro and gave me the idea that Catalan independence is at least partly about getting out of that damned pseudo-currency.

  129. @RadicalCenter

    I don’t really mind. I’m 25% Dag by genetics and 0% by self-identification.

    I certainly do want to eventually visit Dagestan – it’s more out out of the way and “obscure” than, say, Crimea – or even Chechnya. Thanks for the suggestion!

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  130. @Anatoly Karlin

    I certainly do want to eventually visit Dagestan

    Rumor has it you’re everywhere at once!

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/where-did-the-etruscans-come-from/#comment-4926142

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