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The New York Times editorializes:
And yet, Cuban doctors serving in West Africa today could easily abandon their posts, take a taxi to the nearest American Embassy and apply for a little-known immigration program that has allowed thousands of them to defect. Those who are accepted can be on American soil within weeks, on track to becoming United States citizens.
There is much to criticize about Washington’s failed policies toward Cuba and the embargo it has imposed on the island for decades. But the Cuban Medical Professional Parole Program, which in the last fiscal year enabled 1,278 Cubans to defect while on overseas assignments, a record number, is particularly hard to justify.
It is incongruous for the United States to value the contributions of Cuban doctors who are sent by their government to assist in international crises like the 2010 Haiti earthquake while working to subvert that government by making defection so easy.
American immigration policy should give priority to the world’s neediest refugees and persecuted people. It should not be used to exacerbate the brain drain of an adversarial nation at a time when improved relations between the two countries are a worthwhile, realistic goal.
“Neediest” — that reminds me of Jerry’s monologue from “The Visa” episode of Seinfeld:
I am for open immigration but that sign we have on the front of the Statue of Liberty, “Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses…” Can’t we just say, “Hey, the door’s open, we’ll take whoever you got”? Do we have to specify the wretched refuse? I mean, why don’t we just say, “Give us the unhappy, the sad, the slow, the ugly, people that can’t drive, that they have trouble merging, if they can’t stay in their lane, if they don’t signal, they can’t parallel park, if they’re sneezing, if they’re stuffed up, if they’re clogged, if they have bad penmanship, don’t return calls, if they have dandruff, food between their teeth, if they have bad credit, if they have no credit, missed a spot shaving, in other words any dysfunctional defective slob that you can somehow cattle prod onto a wagon, send them over, we want ’em.”
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It makes sense, because educated people escaping communism are less likely to support the Times’ favorite policies than, say, Honduran peasants.
The NYT sure can twist itself into all kinds of knots with its selective reasoning, now can’t it? May the gods have mercy on their bifurcated souls.
“American immigration policy should give priority to the world’s neediest refugees and persecuted people.”
In other words what The New York Times is saying is that American immigration policy should give priority to any Nonwhite person who has a working pulse. The bar should be set that low. The only 2 requirements to immigrate to America should be that you are Nonwhite and that you not be dead.
Having Ebola is a plus.
>>American immigration policy should give priority to the world’s neediest refugees and persecuted people…
Like Java programmers, dentists and pediatricians from India, millionaires from China, dry-wallers from Mexico, etc.
“American immigration policy should give priority to the world’s neediest refugees and persecuted people.”
If America opens it’s doors to all of the world’s poor refugees than income inequality in the U.S will increase even more.
Do you think Somali and Salvadoran immigrants for example are going to become the next Jews in terms of economic prosperity ? No they are mostly going to assimilate into America’s urban underclass and live in the same neighborhoods as the Michael Browns of the world. They are not even going to be able to afford to live in the same neighborhoods as the Steve Sailers of the world, let alone be able to afford to live in the same neighborhoods as the Warren Buffets of the world.
Somalis are about as interested in, and as capable of, assimilation as Amishmen or Hasidim. They want little to do with native blacks. There are no Michael Browns in Lewiston! Or Owatonna, Helsinki or Rome. (And on some measures like family structure, I’m loath to admit, they’re ahead of whites.)
Salvadorans have proved they prefer annihilation of blacks to assimilation.Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
The NYT position is the current ‘moral’ position – immigration priority goes to the very worst people from the worst countries, those who will most harm the countries they immigrate to.
The fact that any Cuban doctors at all, chose to ‘turn Turk’ and exchange cash for ideology is terrible indictment on those Cubans. I mean it must be the Marxist equivalent of apostasy, which cultists of the religious rather than the political sort hold to be the very very worst sin possible.
‘Large dollops of cash’ can never be used as a defence against apostasy, neither, in fact, can dire threats to one’s life.
The bar should be set that low.
It has been that low for a long, long time. In fact, even lower — ie there is no “bar” at all because border and interior enforcement is so weak. (Not to mention the refugee program, where people who fuck up their own country the most have the best chance of gaining entry to the US.) Basically anyone who makes it here — however — will have the NYT advocating amnesty for them. Making a rational argument that mostly what this is doing is importing poverty — which is easily shown by looking hard at the data — has just not been effective as a counterargument, and there is no sign that it ever will be. It is ‘HBD denial’ writ as large as you can imagine — on a scale that will, in the end, destroy western nations.
The NYT position is the current ‘moral’ position…
Yes, it is seen this way. The benevolent white man must take up his burden. And if/when Obama goes ‘big and bold’, you can bet he will emphasize this — that it is ‘the right thing to do’. And by saying so he is daring you to challenge that notion. Because just by doing so — by challenging it — you de facto prove you are a bad person.
The only answer: White Nationalism. We oppose non-white immigration not only for the rational reasons already put forth, but primarily because it will destroy the demographic heritage of America as a majority white, Christian nation. A heritage that has proven to have unique value, and is therefore worth preserving. Simply stated.
On the subject of apostasy, Peter Kassig’s decision to turn Turk evidently did nothing to save his life.
The moral is that ISIS most definitely do not pussyfoot.
"On the subject of apostasy, Peter Kassig’s decision to turn Turk evidently did nothing to save his life.
The moral is that ISIS most definitely do not pussyfoot."
From Prime Minister David Cameron, on Facebook:
"David Cameron
23 hours ago
I'm horrified by the cold blooded murder of Abdul-Rahman Kassig. ISIL have again shown their depravity. My thoughts are with his family."
The victim was called Kassig on Al Jazeera, but Cameron & co refer to him by the Muslim name he adopted in his effort not to be murdered.
As a country, we really need to work out a way to stop giving anyone who can get 20 thugs together and kill a few Americans the power to get us into shooting wars.Replies: @Hersh
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/26/world/middleeast/horror-before-the-beheadings-what-isis-hostages-endured-in-syria.html?_r=0
Frankly, when I read this, it was a bit of a gut punch. In the Catholic press, James Foley has been portrayed as just short of a Christian martyr. The NY Times's reporting is that he was not just a convert to Islam but an enthusiastic one.
But why has the media been so relatively quiet about this? Is it simply that good reporting makes the Religion of Peace look bad? Or do these conversions mitigate anti-ISIS war fever? Or some combination? Or something else?Replies: @Steve Sailer
No it shouldn’t. The Statue of Liberty is not a cat lady…At least she wasn’t until the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.
Yes it should. By all means.
All the program does is allow Cuban doctors to come here if they apply. It’s not like we’re shoving them into staff cars and forcing them to come down to the embassy. If 1,278 doctors a year want to get the hell out of their country and come to the US, that’s proof we’ve still got it baby!
And I thought Michael Moore said Cuba was a medical paradise…
What, precisely, do we have?
The NYT has a point about brain drain, but why is it only concerned about that with respect to Cuba? It’s ok with the U.S. creaming the most capable Indians to become physicians and engineers here?
And if you believe that the U.S. should accept only the most desperate immigrants (a radical enough view to warrant its own editorial), doesn’t that raise Steve’s old question of why so many Mexicans instead of immigrants from much poorer countries?
Are they laying it on thick in advance of Obama’s amnesty? Perhaps they received strategic talking point bulletin.
Judging by the names, this could be another case for Steve’s Immigration Safety Board: http://buff.ly/1x2cQ1P
Cuban medical teams are critical right now to the fight against ebola in West Africa, and therefore to the health and safety of the world. It is stupid, hypocritical, and deeply cynical for the United States to work alongside Cuba in fighting this disease, and to praise Cuba’s efforts in doing so, and simultaneously to pursue policies that make it less likely for Cuba to engage in the very programs we are praising and to some extent relying on. We should be helping Cuba fight deadly infectious diseases, not reducing its incentives to do so. Moreover, this is true regardless of your opinions on immigration policy in general. The Times is right on this one.
Force those fsckers at the point of a gun to return to the hellhole they created instead of letting them stay here and get rich as doctors, lawyers, bankers, teachers, engineers, and US bureaucrats.
Why are we risking OUR 3000 soldiers when we have 100 times as many "refugees" from Liberia who can go back home and Save the Poor?
Wouldn't you agree, Matt?
After having extracted all the wealth from Liberia for 150 years of ruthless African-American colonization, the "Americo-Liberians" need to go home and clean up their own stinking mess.
No more Liberian "refugees"!
Ask I always tell my students, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
S. Kierkegaard
Plague has been with mankind since the neolithic. It has not wiped humanity because of some natural resistance among at least some of the population. Plagues have routinely been "stopped" because populations were isolated form one another. And in modern times--when societies are not overcome with pompous idiocy--by quarantine and other public health measures.
http://westhunt.wordpress.com/2014/10/17/the-advent-of-cholera/
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The West has provided Africa with western technology and western medicine--which the native people are neither capable of developing or maintaining--and the result is a population explosion, which is going to destroy the natural environment of Africa, and if the population is not contained--quarantined--in Africa, the entire world. Africa needs to come into some sort of balance between it's fertility, it's food production, it's disease burden, it's general human "capability". Unless we're going to pick up the white man's burden and recolonize the joint--racist!--that's something African's are going to have to do themselves. Left to their own, presumably the more competent and disciplined Africans would--over time--take charge of their lives, communities, nations and move forward--defeating and replacing the stupid, less diligent, more backward, more superstitious, etc. Western do-gooderism isn't doing much but making these societies more over populated and unstable. (And letting a bunch of pompous busybodies pat themselves on the back for "saving Africa".)
~~~I hear what you're saying ... but this doesn't necessarily logically follow. Multiple\competing goals. Suboptimal, but routine in life.Replies: @matt
All The News That’s Fit to Print needs to become Full Retard Since 1996. The comment section is a sideshow over there. I’ll admit they have better grammar than some of the ranting conservative sites, but the ideas they come up with are par for a 95 IQ.
Now the editorial board. They are at Soviet levels of delusion. These guys are slightly above the whack job college newspapers, probably below some respectable college papers out there staffed by idealistic journalism majors. Maybe they’ve dipped so far that the one editor with a brain just passes all this crap along because, @#$% it, nobody will take this seriously anyway. Maybe there’s a crypto-fascist working there, a drug cartel death squad intelligence officer friend of Carlos Slim, who’s steering the editorial board to write this stuff. This is just an inside joke for his Miami friends.
If we collected data on the integrity and efficacy of east indian doctors, we wouldn’t want them. Nothing but lying rent-collectors, they are a positive harm to our medical system.
If they have served at least 20 years in the Indian Army, they are probably ok.
The moral is that ISIS most definitely do not pussyfoot.Replies: @Simon in London, @NOTA, @Percy Gryce
Anon:
“On the subject of apostasy, Peter Kassig’s decision to turn Turk evidently did nothing to save his life.
The moral is that ISIS most definitely do not pussyfoot.”
From Prime Minister David Cameron, on Facebook:
“David Cameron
23 hours ago
I’m horrified by the cold blooded murder of Abdul-Rahman Kassig. ISIL have again shown their depravity. My thoughts are with his family.”
The victim was called Kassig on Al Jazeera, but Cameron & co refer to him by the Muslim name he adopted in his effort not to be murdered.
“If we collected data on the integrity and efficacy of east indian doctors, we wouldn’t want them. Nothing but lying rent-collectors, they are a positive harm to our medical system.”
If they have served at least 20 years in the Indian Army, they are probably ok.
I think the greatest PR trick of the last century has been to repaint all Anglo-Saxon societies as lands of “immigrants” rather than settlers. It somehow delegitimises any plausible & prior claim that WASPs may have and thereby reshapes the narrative for an open doors policy (if we did it in the past lets just keep on doing it).
For that matter I don’t see this hand-wringing in Latin America (I don’t read Spanish so I’m just speculating) that are plausibly built on immigrants (originally ambitious Spanish/Portuguese adventurers who went on to consort with the native women).
Keeping the immigrant floodgates open suits most interests. Immigrants are, for the most part, still too peripheral to enter into the power structure while are a formidable voting bloc to keep the Left a going concern. As we can see however in UKIP and the Tea Party, immigration is turning out to be the number one voting concern among white working class/middle class votes (and they are the ultimate swing vote in Wasp societies).
But the really interesting thing is that it's not just being used against the people of British diaspora nations. It's being used against the native Britons in the UK. The French, too, are being bullied about being "immigrants" and no more the possessors of French culture than any Arab or FOB illegal African. So are the Swedes. One assumes that this "nation of immigrants" worm is at work in every European nation.
It's understandable how this shabby propaganda might fly in historically recently settled Anglo-Saxon nations. (That is, until two minutes thought reveals how crazy and destructive it is.) The brazenness and arrogance (or obliviousness?) needed to swing that cudgel in Europe takes the breath away. But the sheepish acceptance of this viciousness among so many makes one weep.Replies: @Nathan Wartooth, @Whiskey, @Annek
No, their argument doesn't work to delegitimize us. It requires a moral sleight of hand beyond the argument.
Bingo.
Or consider the "first peoples" trick: American Indians have greater right than Europeans to be here because they were here first.
WASPs, however, do NOT have a greater right to be here than all of those who came after.
American Indians descended from a Nomadic people who stumbled on the place. No great sacrifice or heroism there.
Post-1880 immigrants came to a prosperous country that was already a going concern, settling in a country where they were fully able to replicate every luxury (and then some) they had back home.
Only the British and a few other early groups left civilization for a wilderness in which they had to build basically everything, making a dangerous voyage in an era that preceded steamships and airplanes.Replies: @Dave Pinsen
Another good trick is to take the term "native American" and have it mean the original people who populated the land of the U.S., so that it cannot be used to mean people born in the U.S., especially those whose families gave been here awhile (or even hundreds of years).
Migrants were the best hope their home country had for developing economically. That is necessarily true. As Paul Collier says there is going to be an ever accelerating exodus to the west, and it will be poorer and poorer people coming (because diasporas lower the cost of migrating).
>>that’s proof we’ve still got it baby!
What, precisely, do we have?
The peasants who back home milk cows come here to milk our system.
America is fast becoming South America North.
The NYT article contains the word ‘should.’ This means it is worthless, meandering drivel whatever the the ideas that surround it is phrased. The world is how it is. Period.
Should, as someone once said, is execrable (though they used shorter version beginning with sh too) and whenever the left starts throwing should around you understand at once this is just posturing in the hope of garnering praise from similar shouldys.
If America opens it's doors to all of the world's poor refugees than income inequality in the U.S will increase even more.
Do you think Somali and Salvadoran immigrants for example are going to become the next Jews in terms of economic prosperity ? No they are mostly going to assimilate into America's urban underclass and live in the same neighborhoods as the Michael Browns of the world. They are not even going to be able to afford to live in the same neighborhoods as the Steve Sailers of the world, let alone be able to afford to live in the same neighborhoods as the Warren Buffets of the world.Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Reg Cæsar
Hell, not even Steve Sailer can afford to live in the same neighborhood as Steve Sailer.
You beat me to that line.
I can tell you right off the bat one group of immigrants the left absolutely in a million years does not want above all others:
Eastern European mail-order brides.
Eastern European mail-order bride<<<
Ha,ha. So true. In fact, east-European mail-order brides is the only immigration I support.
Thirty odd years ago I read a Maigret mystery with a character who owned only 2 sets of clothing because “I have only one body.” One set to wear when the other set needed to be washed, IOW. The bleeding hearts could give the poor-needy-oppressed-persecuted everything they have above their needs but they don’t. Bloomberg et al could spend their money to make things better in Central America so people would stay there.
I comment on Dailykos once in a while and ask the bleeding hearts why they didn’t give the needy the money they spent on the home computers they’re writing on. Never get an answer to that.
Perhaps there’s an informal hierarchy here. The needs of those black bodies that are lower on the evolutionary scale who have Ebola outrank what Cuban doctors may want. The Cuban thing is so ’60’s anyway.
The moral is that ISIS most definitely do not pussyfoot.Replies: @Simon in London, @NOTA, @Percy Gryce
ISIS could have killed this poor guy with a bullet to the back of the head anytime in the last year, yet they issued a video press release designed to infuriate American voters. They’ve figured out that for the cost of abducting a few Americans and Brits and putting up beheading videos on YouTube, they’ve got a level which can move the biggest military forces on Earth. They can behead half a dozen people and more or less force the president do something–bomb them, fund “moderate” opposition, give money to the Kurds, etc.
As a country, we really need to work out a way to stop giving anyone who can get 20 thugs together and kill a few Americans the power to get us into shooting wars.
http://downtrend.com/vsaxena/judith-levine-sayreville-hazing-incident/
A feminist author published by salon, the ny times, and AARP says seven black juveniles should not be tried for a sexual assault related to a hazing incident because they are not white! She also says the prisons are already full of black and brown people, and there are enough who can’t vote already bc they are felons.
This is beyond parody!
Hey, we took a bunch of Cuba’s crackheads and murderers 30-odd years ago. We might as well get some of the Talented Tenth.
For that matter I don't see this hand-wringing in Latin America (I don't read Spanish so I'm just speculating) that are plausibly built on immigrants (originally ambitious Spanish/Portuguese adventurers who went on to consort with the native women).
Keeping the immigrant floodgates open suits most interests. Immigrants are, for the most part, still too peripheral to enter into the power structure while are a formidable voting bloc to keep the Left a going concern. As we can see however in UKIP and the Tea Party, immigration is turning out to be the number one voting concern among white working class/middle class votes (and they are the ultimate swing vote in Wasp societies).Replies: @Gallo-Roman, @ben tillman, @Wilkey, @Annek
I think the greatest PR trick of the last century has been to repaint all Anglo-Saxon societies as lands of “immigrants” rather than settlers.
But the really interesting thing is that it’s not just being used against the people of British diaspora nations. It’s being used against the native Britons in the UK. The French, too, are being bullied about being “immigrants” and no more the possessors of French culture than any Arab or FOB illegal African. So are the Swedes. One assumes that this “nation of immigrants” worm is at work in every European nation.
It’s understandable how this shabby propaganda might fly in historically recently settled Anglo-Saxon nations. (That is, until two minutes thought reveals how crazy and destructive it is.) The brazenness and arrogance (or obliviousness?) needed to swing that cudgel in Europe takes the breath away. But the sheepish acceptance of this viciousness among so many makes one weep.
Australia:
http://www.bobinoz.com/blog/995/australia-a-nation-of-immigrants/
http://theconversation.com/australia-not-about-to-turn-its-back-on-immigration-765
Canada:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/time-to-lead/as-nation-of-immigrants-canada-must-now-confront-its-emigrants/article588140/
Britain:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10100223/Britain-was-a-nation-of-immigrants-even-in-the-Bronze-Age.html
I tried to find articles for non English speaking countries, but I don't think Google translate is good enough to translate "nation of immigrants" well enough for me to find articles that contain the phrase.
If anyone else could find articles about non English speaking white countries being called a "nation of immigrants" it would be awesome to compile a list just to show how ridiculous it is.
And it puts the lie to Steve's assertion that there can be no victory in the war between the sexes as there is too much fraternization.
If you are even half-way pretty, but not the most beautiful, as a woman, your chances of rising to the top with the native men around is pretty low. On the other hand, if most/all the native men are dead and invaders take over, well your chances are much higher.
For example, Ottoman history is full of Sultans from slave mothers who ascended the throne (by bloody killing of all their siblings) and so forth.
Flood Western lands with invaders, in Europe with Muslims who get to Nazi German levels of occupation, thankfully without their technological ability, and you get all that opportunity for women to be the mothers of Sultans and the like.
Flood the US with all sorts of immigrants, and you get an opportunity for even a plain looking girl to be ... the mother of a President. Gentlemen I give you ... Stanley Ann Dunham!
Women have a rational, hard-wired incentive to flood their nations with non-Natives, particularly if they are somewhat prettier on average than the invaders women. If you are looking for a reason that mass Third World Immigration keeps happening, look no further than the women dreaming of being the mother of a Sultan. Or perhaps his wife. One of them anyway.
This whole tendency is made worse by White guys being too beta male, too "nice" and focused on technology and science (see the fit thrown by feminists over a hawaiian shirt worn by a nerdy White guy who helped land a probe on a comet compared to radio silence over Ray Rice) instead of charisma and dominance and unpredictability coupled with a hint of violence and cruelty.
The tragedy of Western life is that prosperity rests on guys who help land probes on Comets and Western Women detest that type of man, preferring instead a Russell Brand. Who eats up wealth rather than creates it. Hence Mass Immigration, looking for that Sultan. And at least, drowning Nerdy White Guys. [Yes most feminists are the female equivalent of drunk frat guys screaming "No Fat Chicks!" and most women are not feminists but fall more towards them than against them. This is why criticism of feminism is difficult and crazy feminist ideas move towards respectability.]
"The brazenness and arrogance (or obliviousness?) needed to swing that cudgel in Europe takes the breath away. But the sheepish acceptance of this viciousness among so many makes one weep."
Yes, it does.
As we can see however in UKIP and the Tea Party, immigration is turning out to be the number one voting concern among white working class/middle class votes (and they are the ultimate swing vote in Wasp societies).
But in the US, the anti-immigration movement has no high-profile spokesman, and no serious candidate for president dares to support our cause. On the contrary, during the campaign candidates like Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich, and Mitt Romney dropped whatever border-control positions they once took .
http://theden.tv/2014/10/29/what-presidential-pardons-reveal/
Yep
http://blog.chron.com/goplifer/2014/11/the-missing-story-of-the-2014-election/
For that matter I don't see this hand-wringing in Latin America (I don't read Spanish so I'm just speculating) that are plausibly built on immigrants (originally ambitious Spanish/Portuguese adventurers who went on to consort with the native women).
Keeping the immigrant floodgates open suits most interests. Immigrants are, for the most part, still too peripheral to enter into the power structure while are a formidable voting bloc to keep the Left a going concern. As we can see however in UKIP and the Tea Party, immigration is turning out to be the number one voting concern among white working class/middle class votes (and they are the ultimate swing vote in Wasp societies).Replies: @Gallo-Roman, @ben tillman, @Wilkey, @Annek
How does that delegitimize the claims of Whites? If Whites were “immigrants”, that means that Whites didn’t steal the land from the Indians, and our presence here is legitimate. And if the land rightfully belongs to the Indians, of course, then all of today’s immigration is illegitimate.
No, their argument doesn’t work to delegitimize us. It requires a moral sleight of hand beyond the argument.
No cat calling in Mumbai
Leah Jung not a hottie
No cat calling for Mumbai woman nor any for Leah Jung which proves wannabe actress Shoshanna Roberts point that only hawties get cat called in New York. Casting agents take note.
Judith Levine will confirm in her next article.
Well I have to agree with one part of what the Times is saying: we have enough Cubans already, even if they are doctors. So keep ’em out.
Of course, the Times wouldn’t say “no” to any potential immigrant except for Cubans (and, natch, European white people). It’s as if that editorial were written by some dusty old Commie from the 50s who still has a chubby for Cuba, the Dream That Never Dies. Leftists nearly all live in some alternative time-reality, where it’s always 1939 or 1963 or whatever. Just never 1776.
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2014/11/the-wolf-of-wall-street-the-book/#more-25398
The moral is that ISIS most definitely do not pussyfoot.Replies: @Simon in London, @NOTA, @Percy Gryce
Thanks for raising that. I was going to ask Steve to comment on the fact that most of the media is very quiet on the fact that many of the ISIS hostages have converted to Islam while in captivity. The New York Times, of course, still does good reporting like this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/26/world/middleeast/horror-before-the-beheadings-what-isis-hostages-endured-in-syria.html?_r=0
Frankly, when I read this, it was a bit of a gut punch. In the Catholic press, James Foley has been portrayed as just short of a Christian martyr. The NY Times’s reporting is that he was not just a convert to Islam but an enthusiastic one.
But why has the media been so relatively quiet about this? Is it simply that good reporting makes the Religion of Peace look bad? Or do these conversions mitigate anti-ISIS war fever? Or some combination? Or something else?
Every time ISIS kills another hostage, all they do is make Obama look more feeble and inept, which is probably the point of the killings. Eventually, Obama’s going to have to have a Lyndon Johnson moment, and he’ll go in with ground troops just to rescue his manhood and ego. Considering how many Middle Eastern countries Obama has destabilized (this guy is the worst thing for Islam ever, except for maybe the Mongol invasion) we’ve got an interesting two years ahead.
Actually, I’m not sure any group has benefitted from having Obama in office. Blacks aren’t better off, Mexicans are still in limbo, and he’s done a lot of injury to whites, whether Christian or Muslim.
I hardly ever agree with the NYT, but in this case I do. I live in what can be considered mostly a third world country (South Africa), the problem of losing all your skilled people is a severe problem for any country that ever wants to improve its lot. Not only does this harm the poorer countries but long term all this does is make the richer ones into magnets of the unskilled as their own countries can never develop.
On the other hand, she makes a good point about the insanity, not to say evil perversity, of charging kids with sexual felonies for hazing of a kind that has been common basically forever.
The WSJ’s Mary Anastasia O’Grady wrote about this same situation around two weeks ago (no link because of a for-pay firewall). I read the whole article in the print edition. She used terms such as “slave trade” and “human trafficking,” which curiously do not appear in the NYT article.
So let’s take a look at how this thing really works.
Cuba trains lots of doctors, most of them not very well by American standards. The Cuban government then sends some of them to delightful locations such as West Africa to help treat Ebola patients. Wow! What a great humanitarian gesture by the Castro boys! Or, maybe not. This “humanitarian” program earns over $8 billion dollars in scarce hard currency for the chronically impoverished Cuban government. The doctors earn $60 per month in Cuba, but they can make up to $1200 per month overseas. You know where most of the money goes.
This economic gain is enough incentive to make many doctors and other health professionals volunteer for this happy program. But, as Ms. O’Grady points out, there are disincentives as well. The Cuban dictatorship has plenty of ways to make life unpleasant for those who turn down a chance to “volunteer.” That some of the doctors decide to defect to the US should be no surprise, given the difference in living standards and the incomes between the two countries. Probably the reason that more do not try to come to the US is due to the harsh reprisals that their families will experience in Cuba.
So let’s wrap this all up. Cuban doctors make $60 per month, high by Cuban standards, but less than a burger-flipper earns in one day in the US! These doctors are enticed (or, more properly, coerced) to “volunteer” for such duties as treating Ebola patients in Africa. The Cuban government keeps most of the money they earn. If they are caught trying to defect, they will probably be shot, but if they make it, their families in Cuba will be severely punished. Cuba is one of the poorest countries on the planet (food is rationed there), and the Cuban government is one of the most oppressive. So it’s hardly surprising that lots of Cubans want to leave. Yet this slave trade in medical personnel is all the fault of the US! Just like all the problems in Cuba are the result of the US embargo. Only in the NYT!
Harry,
“But in the US, the anti-immigration movement has no high-profile spokesman, and no serious candidate for president dares to support our cause. On the contrary, during the campaign candidates like Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich, and Mitt Romney dropped whatever border-control positions they once took.”
Note past tense.
The next president will find a rationalization to join the movement. That is where the votes are.
I flipped last year – here’s mine.
We are in fact a nation of immigrants, and historically we have become that nation by going through alternating cycles of immigration and restriction/integration. We are long past due for a stretch of the latter. To support such a stretch is not a betrayal of our principles, it is the time-tested way to best honor them.
Re: anything having to do with Cuba (and pretty much anything else to boot):
If a Conservative circa 1968 was for it, the NYT is agin’ it.
That is all.
You’re missing the forest for the trees here for a couple of reasons.
Consider this word choice:
” . . . that has allowed thousands of them to defect.”
Communist regimes assert complete dominion over their subjects. Thus Cuba considers these doctors defectors, akin to Edward Snowdon for the U.S. government. But it’s surprising and telling The New York Times adopts this reasoning. It is the complete opposite of the characterizations of Mexican emigrants to the U.S. Suffice it to say, they aren’t considered traitors to the national project like these Cuban doctors.
The Times helpfully offers a reason for this stark inconsistency, and Immigration Restrictionists should endorse the principle, if not the particular application.
“It is incongruous for the United States to value the contributions of Cuban doctors who are sent by their government to assist in international crises like the 2010 Haiti earthquake while working to subvert that government by making defection so easy.”
While tepid hardly describes it, that is an assertion that the national interest should trump the desire of immigrants for a better life. That, in a nutshell, has been the central argument of Immigration Restrictionists, and we would do well to notice it.
I, for one, prefer to then argue over defining the boundaries. What immigration is not trumped by other national interests?
A good moral case can be made not to accept more low-skilled immigrants: they hurt the low-skilled who are already here, African Americans above all. Likewise a good case against accepting the highly-skilled: they strip poor countries of their scarce human capital, thus hurting the future development of these countries and the majorities left behind.
Ergo, a good moral case can be made for an immigration moratorium (pause, time-out) until we can assimilate and integrate the 40 million or so foreign born who are already here, the vast majority of whom are from societies with no or very weak democratic traditions.
And if you believe that the U.S. should accept only the most desperate immigrants (a radical enough view to warrant its own editorial), doesn't that raise Steve's old question of why so many Mexicans instead of immigrants from much poorer countries?Replies: @syonredux
Quite true; if the NYTIMES actually means what it says:
Then Mexicans should not be allowed to immigrate to the USA
Drug resistant TB is good too.
I just wonder if the doctors the Cubans sent to the Ebola zone had any say or choice in the matter.
Is it really a case of being ‘volunteered’ just so that the commies who run Cuba can advertise to the world that they are ‘great people’, or did the doctors really, seriously wanted to go out there and help?
Somehow, as a veteran Cuba watcher, methinks it’s yet another PR job to tell the world what a ‘great man’ Fidel is.
OT but of prior interest of and entertainment to iSteve readers:
NYC Mayor Bill DeBlasio’s wife’s aide, Rachel Noerdlinger, famous for living with a much young semi-reformed thug, is in the news again after her teenage son was arrested for trespassing, smoking weed, and drinking Hennessy in a Harlem building lobby on her birthday.
The backstory on Noerdlinger:
https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-universe-is-just-a-simulation-designed-to-produce-isteve-material/
The latest antics:
http://nypost.com/2014/11/15/embattled-de-blasio-aides-son-arrested-on-trespassing-charges/
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/rachel-noerdlinger-son-booked-trespassing-charge-article-1.2012318
Well, this pretty much sums it up.
Advancement by merit is racist:
http://qz.com/289843/60-years-late-the-us-is-finally-trying-to-desegregate-its-classrooms/
Cuba has 11 million people, where are they getting all these doctors from? Why can’t the US mass produce doctors like Cuba?
It’s odd that doctors are the one profession with a shortage in the US and the Times is upset. Maybe The Times would feel better if they thought of them as the descendants of conversos.
NYT: “…working to subvert [the Cuban] government by making defection so easy…”
Wow. Walter Duranty has returned from the grave to write editorials for the New York Times in 2014!
Really, what crime could be more foul than admitting refugees from Communist dictatorships? Why, if people were free to exit Communist tyrannies, then Communist governments might be embarrassed! That might imply, however subtly and unjustly, some flaw in the ideological beliefs and committment of nearly every New York Times editor and writer!
The US should chivvy footloose Cuban doctors and nurses back to their island-prison home at gunpoint, lest their wandering “exacerbate the brain drain of an adversarial nation at a time when improved relations between the [US and Cuba] are a worthwhile, realistic goal. “
You see, the reason for poor relations between the US and Cuba nowadays is that the US constantly attacks Cuba by neglecting to arrest runaway Cubans and return them in chains to Cuba. We hegemonic Norteamericanos could quickly establish harmonious relations with Cuba just by closing our doors to Cubans (while we open them to low-IQ migrants from every other country, of course).
You will recall how US-Cuban relations improved while Bill Clinton (that John the Baptist who prepared the way for the Obamassiah) was in office. Bill Clinton set the right policy on Cuban defectors!
We ought not to mess around with our normal asylum policies for a short-term crisis like this. Also, there’s not much sense in treating Cubans differently from other foreigners–that’s entirely an artifact of Florida being an important state in presidential elections. So ideally, we’d accept asylum applications from Cuban doctors straight from Liberia, but they’d still have to go through the normal asylum application process and wait their turn.
Then Mexicans should not be allowed to immigrate to the USA
Nice angle, but they hear you so it’s already more about Guatemalans, Somalis and worse.
Just substitute “Cuban baseball player” for “Cuban doctor” in the NYT article.
“Hey, we took a bunch of Cuba’s crackheads and murderers 30-odd years ago. We might as well get some of the Talented Tenth.”
Tony Montana was asked if he has ever been in a mental hospital ? He answered yeah on the boat coming over.
Elvira refers to the Cubans who came to America post-1980 as the new Cuban crime wave.
Of topic, but this from the Daily Mail:
Protesters are gathering in support of Michael Brown in and around St. Louis as they nervously await what many believe will be an inevitable no-indictment vote in the coming days by a grand jury for the officer who shot him. . .
Many of the the high-profile protesters met with President Obama and discussed the matter November 5, including Reverend Al Sharpton. It was a meeting the Gateway Pundit notes was not included on the president’s daily schedule.
Sharpton told the Times that Obama urged the group to ‘stay on course.’
As regards Steve’s suggestion for Republican success in the years ahead, why not make Al Sharpton the face of the Democratic Party? Should not be hard to do.
Absolutely! And why limit it to Cuba? We should expel the 300,000 members of the Liberian intelligentsia and send those sorry fscks back to the Liberian Motherland! The war has been over for at least a decade.
Force those fsckers at the point of a gun to return to the hellhole they created instead of letting them stay here and get rich as doctors, lawyers, bankers, teachers, engineers, and US bureaucrats.
Why are we risking OUR 3000 soldiers when we have 100 times as many “refugees” from Liberia who can go back home and Save the Poor?
Wouldn’t you agree, Matt?
After having extracted all the wealth from Liberia for 150 years of ruthless African-American colonization, the “Americo-Liberians” need to go home and clean up their own stinking mess.
No more Liberian “refugees”!
Ask I always tell my students, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
S. Kierkegaard
OT but related
Chinese are complaining that it’s really not fair they can’t import Chinese to Canada to work on Chinese owned oil fields.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/international-business/chinese-energy-firms-struggle-to-turn-profit-in-canada/article21609785/
“Hell, not even Steve Sailer can afford to live in the same neighborhood as Steve Sailer.”
Steve Sailer got first world problems. He is not even lower working class by American standards, let alone by international standards. If Steve Sailer was a country, his human development index would be very high.
Steve Sailer would be living in a predominantly Mexican neighborhood in Los Angeles if he was lower working class, since there is no such thing as lower working class White neighborhoods in Los Angeles anymore. If you live in a White neighborhood in Los Angeles than you are pretty financially blessed in life.
I have heard to mention the over-production of elites before, however, I saw this book mentioned somewhere else today:
http://books.google.com/books/about/A_History_of_Negro_Slavery_in_New_York.html?id=gRkicMFDOsEC
I suspect the real problem is the over production of wannabe Elites.
“It is incongruous for the United States to value the contributions of Cuban doctors who are sent by their government to assist in international crises like the 2010 Haiti earthquake while working to subvert that government by making defection so easy.”
Subvert?? Is the New York Times some kind of communist organization? So people defecting from a cummunist country subvert the government of that country? And the US must stop subverting a commie country that is hostile to it? WTF?
American immigration policy should give priority to the world’s neediest refugees and persecuted people.
Do you ever notice how there is no consistent priority behind American immigration policy other than replacing the current population? And population replacement is always hidden from view and masked beneath a myriad of justifications, sometimes conflicting, but always head scratching.
First we are told we need to take in an army of workers to pay into our social security system that is going broke because whites won’t have kids. But the reality is that we are taking in millions who are net tax consumers, and thus exacerbate the problem of revenue shortfalls to fund our social welfare system.
Then we are told by forward.us and company that we need to take in the best and brightest because there are not enough whites to work in STEM. But statistics show that we don’t have a shortage of STEM grads. We only have a shortage of STEM grads not wanting to participate in a labor market not government by a normal supply and demand curve.
If the above two reasons are really the priority behind our immigration policy, then wouldn’t it make more sense to actually encourage the existing white population to have more kids instead of importing alien populations who may or may not pan out?
Now the NT Times is telling us we need to give priority to the world’s neediest. Doesn’t this fly in the face of the above justifications? The world’s neediest are likely to also be very needy in the USA, thus becoming net tax consumers, and they are more than likely not going to contribute to our STEM fields, at least not until a couple generations down the line.
But none of those stated reasons really matter, because the main priority of American immigration policy is to change the American population. And those wanting to change our population will given different, even conflicting, justifications in pursuit of that goal.
As a country, we really need to work out a way to stop giving anyone who can get 20 thugs together and kill a few Americans the power to get us into shooting wars.Replies: @Hersh
Maybe it is ISIS/ISIL that’s doing all this beheading but a video on youtube is no kind of proof of that. How does it make sense that they started beheading people and putting videos on youtube anyway when that was the pretext for the US bombing them? We’re told they are such genius strategists yet they were winning and they posted beheading videos so that the US could start bombing them – ?
In the late summer, the media-reported number of ISIS fighters was 10,000. In September it went up to “20,000 or 31,000.” Late last month I believe it was, someone on TV claimed there were as many as 60,000. Yesterday, I heard 30,000 again on one of the TV shows. But only 150 Kurds were sent to fight them in Kobbani. The things you hear on TV that don’t make sense and go unchallenged. How many times I’ve heard that Turkey should send its army in to fight ISIS on the ground but the reason we don’t send our army in is that the American public won’t put up with Americans getting killed. Like Turks are going to be OK with Turks getting killed? Even though the Turks all know that the US is responsible for the situation – whatever it is – and Turkey opposed the 2003 Iraq War.
But the really interesting thing is that it's not just being used against the people of British diaspora nations. It's being used against the native Britons in the UK. The French, too, are being bullied about being "immigrants" and no more the possessors of French culture than any Arab or FOB illegal African. So are the Swedes. One assumes that this "nation of immigrants" worm is at work in every European nation.
It's understandable how this shabby propaganda might fly in historically recently settled Anglo-Saxon nations. (That is, until two minutes thought reveals how crazy and destructive it is.) The brazenness and arrogance (or obliviousness?) needed to swing that cudgel in Europe takes the breath away. But the sheepish acceptance of this viciousness among so many makes one weep.Replies: @Nathan Wartooth, @Whiskey, @Annek
It’s almost every white country where they spout these lies.
Australia:
http://www.bobinoz.com/blog/995/australia-a-nation-of-immigrants/
http://theconversation.com/australia-not-about-to-turn-its-back-on-immigration-765
Canada:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/time-to-lead/as-nation-of-immigrants-canada-must-now-confront-its-emigrants/article588140/
Britain:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10100223/Britain-was-a-nation-of-immigrants-even-in-the-Bronze-Age.html
I tried to find articles for non English speaking countries, but I don’t think Google translate is good enough to translate “nation of immigrants” well enough for me to find articles that contain the phrase.
If anyone else could find articles about non English speaking white countries being called a “nation of immigrants” it would be awesome to compile a list just to show how ridiculous it is.
OT, but I was speaking to a couple from China yesterday, who brought up the elaborate rituals the Chinese would go through to show respect to their dead ancestors. I asked them whether they thought of these ancestors as still existing and “alive” somewhere, and they agreed that the idea was that indeed they were in some kind of other world.
And then they brought up that among the things they would offer up to their ancestors in these rituals were representations of things they were believed to need in that afterlife — for example a model of a car. But the thing that struck both them and me as funny was that they would burn fake paper currency to “go over” to their ancestors–and a particular kind of currency.
What was the currency of choice? American dollars of course.
The combination of weird superstition and practical, hard-nosed calculation is just one of those Chinese things.
But the really interesting thing is that it's not just being used against the people of British diaspora nations. It's being used against the native Britons in the UK. The French, too, are being bullied about being "immigrants" and no more the possessors of French culture than any Arab or FOB illegal African. So are the Swedes. One assumes that this "nation of immigrants" worm is at work in every European nation.
It's understandable how this shabby propaganda might fly in historically recently settled Anglo-Saxon nations. (That is, until two minutes thought reveals how crazy and destructive it is.) The brazenness and arrogance (or obliviousness?) needed to swing that cudgel in Europe takes the breath away. But the sheepish acceptance of this viciousness among so many makes one weep.Replies: @Nathan Wartooth, @Whiskey, @Annek
This ties in with the feminist demanding no prison for Blacks who perpetrate crimes.
And it puts the lie to Steve’s assertion that there can be no victory in the war between the sexes as there is too much fraternization.
If you are even half-way pretty, but not the most beautiful, as a woman, your chances of rising to the top with the native men around is pretty low. On the other hand, if most/all the native men are dead and invaders take over, well your chances are much higher.
For example, Ottoman history is full of Sultans from slave mothers who ascended the throne (by bloody killing of all their siblings) and so forth.
Flood Western lands with invaders, in Europe with Muslims who get to Nazi German levels of occupation, thankfully without their technological ability, and you get all that opportunity for women to be the mothers of Sultans and the like.
Flood the US with all sorts of immigrants, and you get an opportunity for even a plain looking girl to be … the mother of a President. Gentlemen I give you … Stanley Ann Dunham!
Women have a rational, hard-wired incentive to flood their nations with non-Natives, particularly if they are somewhat prettier on average than the invaders women. If you are looking for a reason that mass Third World Immigration keeps happening, look no further than the women dreaming of being the mother of a Sultan. Or perhaps his wife. One of them anyway.
This whole tendency is made worse by White guys being too beta male, too “nice” and focused on technology and science (see the fit thrown by feminists over a hawaiian shirt worn by a nerdy White guy who helped land a probe on a comet compared to radio silence over Ray Rice) instead of charisma and dominance and unpredictability coupled with a hint of violence and cruelty.
The tragedy of Western life is that prosperity rests on guys who help land probes on Comets and Western Women detest that type of man, preferring instead a Russell Brand. Who eats up wealth rather than creates it. Hence Mass Immigration, looking for that Sultan. And at least, drowning Nerdy White Guys. [Yes most feminists are the female equivalent of drunk frat guys screaming “No Fat Chicks!” and most women are not feminists but fall more towards them than against them. This is why criticism of feminism is difficult and crazy feminist ideas move towards respectability.]
“It should not be used to exacerbate the brain drain of an adversarial nation.”
Brain-draining friendly nations is fair game.
Our immigration policies – policies long endorsed by the NYT – fully support the pillaging of talent from countries vastly poorer than our own – Indian programmers, Filipino nurses, African doctors, Chinese scientists, you name it. And now the NYT sees reason to object?
I just want to know why the owners, editors, & journalists at the NYT don’t fully embrace the world’s “neediest refugees and persecuted people” for their own marriage partners and those of their children. After all, it’s all nature, not nature, right?
Fuck, these people spend more time considering what breed of dog they wan to own.
For that matter I don't see this hand-wringing in Latin America (I don't read Spanish so I'm just speculating) that are plausibly built on immigrants (originally ambitious Spanish/Portuguese adventurers who went on to consort with the native women).
Keeping the immigrant floodgates open suits most interests. Immigrants are, for the most part, still too peripheral to enter into the power structure while are a formidable voting bloc to keep the Left a going concern. As we can see however in UKIP and the Tea Party, immigration is turning out to be the number one voting concern among white working class/middle class votes (and they are the ultimate swing vote in Wasp societies).Replies: @Gallo-Roman, @ben tillman, @Wilkey, @Annek
“I think the greatest PR trick of the last century has been to repaint all Anglo-Saxon societies as lands of “immigrants” rather than settlers. It somehow delegitimises any plausible & prior claim that WASPs may have.”
Bingo.
Or consider the “first peoples” trick: American Indians have greater right than Europeans to be here because they were here first.
WASPs, however, do NOT have a greater right to be here than all of those who came after.
American Indians descended from a Nomadic people who stumbled on the place. No great sacrifice or heroism there.
Post-1880 immigrants came to a prosperous country that was already a going concern, settling in a country where they were fully able to replicate every luxury (and then some) they had back home.
Only the British and a few other early groups left civilization for a wilderness in which they had to build basically everything, making a dangerous voyage in an era that preceded steamships and airplanes.
For that matter I don't see this hand-wringing in Latin America (I don't read Spanish so I'm just speculating) that are plausibly built on immigrants (originally ambitious Spanish/Portuguese adventurers who went on to consort with the native women).
Keeping the immigrant floodgates open suits most interests. Immigrants are, for the most part, still too peripheral to enter into the power structure while are a formidable voting bloc to keep the Left a going concern. As we can see however in UKIP and the Tea Party, immigration is turning out to be the number one voting concern among white working class/middle class votes (and they are the ultimate swing vote in Wasp societies).Replies: @Gallo-Roman, @ben tillman, @Wilkey, @Annek
“I think the greatest PR trick of the last century has been to repaint all Anglo-Saxon societies as lands of “immigrants” rather than settlers. It somehow delegitimises any plausible & prior claim that WASPs may have and thereby reshapes the narrative for an open doors policy (if we did it in the past lets just keep on doing it).”
Another good trick is to take the term “native American” and have it mean the original people who populated the land of the U.S., so that it cannot be used to mean people born in the U.S., especially those whose families gave been here awhile (or even hundreds of years).
But the really interesting thing is that it's not just being used against the people of British diaspora nations. It's being used against the native Britons in the UK. The French, too, are being bullied about being "immigrants" and no more the possessors of French culture than any Arab or FOB illegal African. So are the Swedes. One assumes that this "nation of immigrants" worm is at work in every European nation.
It's understandable how this shabby propaganda might fly in historically recently settled Anglo-Saxon nations. (That is, until two minutes thought reveals how crazy and destructive it is.) The brazenness and arrogance (or obliviousness?) needed to swing that cudgel in Europe takes the breath away. But the sheepish acceptance of this viciousness among so many makes one weep.Replies: @Nathan Wartooth, @Whiskey, @Annek
Gallo-Roman”
“The brazenness and arrogance (or obliviousness?) needed to swing that cudgel in Europe takes the breath away. But the sheepish acceptance of this viciousness among so many makes one weep.”
Yes, it does.
Eastern European mail-order brides.Replies: @matt, @Daniel H
I can tell you right off the bat one group of immigrants the left absolutely in a million years does not want above all others: Eastern European mail-order brides.
Occasionally an iSteve commenter will write a near-perfect parody of iSteve commenters. It’s worth noting when this happens.
Matt, fighting ebola in West Africa if you want to do it is fine. But it’s not “critical to the health and safety of the world”. The health and safety of the world–relative to ebola right now–is easily achieved by simple quarantining West Africa. Stopping West Africans from going elsewhere and infecting people. It’s not only not hard, it’s trivial.
Plague has been with mankind since the neolithic. It has not wiped humanity because of some natural resistance among at least some of the population. Plagues have routinely been “stopped” because populations were isolated form one another. And in modern times–when societies are not overcome with pompous idiocy–by quarantine and other public health measures.
http://westhunt.wordpress.com/2014/10/17/the-advent-of-cholera/
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The West has provided Africa with western technology and western medicine–which the native people are neither capable of developing or maintaining–and the result is a population explosion, which is going to destroy the natural environment of Africa, and if the population is not contained–quarantined–in Africa, the entire world. Africa needs to come into some sort of balance between it’s fertility, it’s food production, it’s disease burden, it’s general human “capability”. Unless we’re going to pick up the white man’s burden and recolonize the joint–racist!–that’s something African’s are going to have to do themselves. Left to their own, presumably the more competent and disciplined Africans would–over time–take charge of their lives, communities, nations and move forward–defeating and replacing the stupid, less diligent, more backward, more superstitious, etc. Western do-gooderism isn’t doing much but making these societies more over populated and unstable. (And letting a bunch of pompous busybodies pat themselves on the back for “saving Africa”.)
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I hear what you’re saying … but this doesn’t necessarily logically follow. Multiple\competing goals. Suboptimal, but routine in life.
If America opens it's doors to all of the world's poor refugees than income inequality in the U.S will increase even more.
Do you think Somali and Salvadoran immigrants for example are going to become the next Jews in terms of economic prosperity ? No they are mostly going to assimilate into America's urban underclass and live in the same neighborhoods as the Michael Browns of the world. They are not even going to be able to afford to live in the same neighborhoods as the Steve Sailers of the world, let alone be able to afford to live in the same neighborhoods as the Warren Buffets of the world.Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Reg Cæsar
Nice alliteration, poor choice of examples.
Somalis are about as interested in, and as capable of, assimilation as Amishmen or Hasidim. They want little to do with native blacks. There are no Michael Browns in Lewiston! Or Owatonna, Helsinki or Rome. (And on some measures like family structure, I’m loath to admit, they’re ahead of whites.)
Salvadorans have proved they prefer annihilation of blacks to assimilation.
Wait, what? I mean, I understand that this is a who-whom. Somebody who gets to decide the author’s influence on the media – perhaps even the author himself – has a who-whom thing here. But I’m mystified as to what we, the rubes being shaped by that media, are supposed to think. “Moo”?, maybe, and go back to our cud? Are we not supposed to have noticed enough of NYT’s positions to think this one incongruous? Or are we supposed to be too stupid to notice anything at all?
The leftist law of matter-antimatter; never put one leftist idea next to another, because so many of them cancel one another out.
“every major Democratic ballot initiative was successful” – I guess that one that lost and had the highest turnout in the state wasn’t all that major an initiative then.
There was only one statewide ballot initiative in 2014:
http://ballotpedia.org/Texas_2014_ballot_measuresReplies: @AnAnon
OT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/18/us/by-using-executive-order-on-immigration-obama-would-reverse-long-held-stance.html
The most-liked comments by readers are almost all critical, including quotes from Obama’s own reasonable skepticism about unskilled illegals as expressed here:
http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/16/shock-flashback-obama-says-illegal-immigration-hurts-blue-collar-americans-strains-welfare-video/
“We should take in the world’s neediest… and not exacerbate a brain drain”.
Yeah sure, why should America try to do something – anything – that might actually BENEFIT America or Americans?
Somalis? Zero skills. Dysfunctional to the core. Islamic. Non-assimilable. No money or trades.
CHECK! (And of course, CHECK, as in welfare.)
Cuban doctors? Medical professionals. Highly educated. Trained. From a Western culture and Christian background.
NOT A CHANCE!
Jewish cultural Marxism at its core. America has no “right” to do right by itself and has a “duty” to import useless and worthless parasites.
I wonder how many Somalis will be allowed to immigrate to Israel this year?
Somalis are about as interested in, and as capable of, assimilation as Amishmen or Hasidim. They want little to do with native blacks. There are no Michael Browns in Lewiston! Or Owatonna, Helsinki or Rome. (And on some measures like family structure, I’m loath to admit, they’re ahead of whites.)
Salvadorans have proved they prefer annihilation of blacks to assimilation.Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
Yeah,….but Somalis haven’t fully demonstrated that they’re fully able to assimilate into mainstream US society.
Actually skip that. The big picture is: Does America need to take in tons of Somalis? Do we? Really? We can’t possibly make it as a first world nation without them at all? Seriously?
When did Somalis ever get to be a major concern for our immigration policy? That we so need them we won’t make it if we don’t? One could understand the Ashkenazi coming here since their historical track record has been mostly positive re: making positive differences to a nation, but Somalis? One step up from Ebola, if that? And canabalism, etc? They’re not first worlders, lets just say it straight up. Even third worlders on a good day would tend to be a bit of a stretch in many cases.
Sometime after Black Hawk. Notice that? Whenever we attack a nation, within a decade we suddenly are taking millions of their populace and transporting them here. Ever since Korea and Vietnam. Bomb ’em then take ’em in.
Why?
Where is it written that we should?
Why?
They’re not all war brides so something else is going on.
Again, why are we doing this?
Why?
I don't think any of our Somali immigrants are war brides.
Yeah, I love how we’re supposed to shape our border policy as if our country is a charity. It’s the Salvation Army’s, and doctors’, job to attend to the neediest first. Why we have to set that as our border policy goal is anyone’s guess.
God forbid we ever treat people like adults, and expect them to solve their own problems and fix their own countries.
Eastern European mail-order brides.Replies: @matt, @Daniel H
>>>I can tell you right off the bat one group of immigrants the left absolutely in a million years does not want above all others:
Eastern European mail-order bride<<<
Ha,ha. So true. In fact, east-European mail-order brides is the only immigration I support.
The NYT is a more dangerous terrorist organisation than Al Qaeda/ISIS have ever been.
At least by Bush II definition (emphasis mine)”Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
Those Cuban doctors’ presence in West Africa might not be entirely voluntary.
Anyway, iSteve gentrification alert, dateline Washington DC: http://www.citylab.com/work/2014/11/meet-the-few-african-american-owners-in-dcs-bar-boom/382731/
Gotta love the sea of white faces in a photo captioned “The new face of many historically black neighborhoods in DC”.
Bingo.
Or consider the "first peoples" trick: American Indians have greater right than Europeans to be here because they were here first.
WASPs, however, do NOT have a greater right to be here than all of those who came after.
American Indians descended from a Nomadic people who stumbled on the place. No great sacrifice or heroism there.
Post-1880 immigrants came to a prosperous country that was already a going concern, settling in a country where they were fully able to replicate every luxury (and then some) they had back home.
Only the British and a few other early groups left civilization for a wilderness in which they had to build basically everything, making a dangerous voyage in an era that preceded steamships and airplanes.Replies: @Dave Pinsen
Circa 1880 immigrants were analogous to today’s rural Chinese migrants to China’s big cities: they came to work. Post-1965 immigrants came to a country with welfare state.
Nice.
Plague has been with mankind since the neolithic. It has not wiped humanity because of some natural resistance among at least some of the population. Plagues have routinely been "stopped" because populations were isolated form one another. And in modern times--when societies are not overcome with pompous idiocy--by quarantine and other public health measures.
http://westhunt.wordpress.com/2014/10/17/the-advent-of-cholera/
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The West has provided Africa with western technology and western medicine--which the native people are neither capable of developing or maintaining--and the result is a population explosion, which is going to destroy the natural environment of Africa, and if the population is not contained--quarantined--in Africa, the entire world. Africa needs to come into some sort of balance between it's fertility, it's food production, it's disease burden, it's general human "capability". Unless we're going to pick up the white man's burden and recolonize the joint--racist!--that's something African's are going to have to do themselves. Left to their own, presumably the more competent and disciplined Africans would--over time--take charge of their lives, communities, nations and move forward--defeating and replacing the stupid, less diligent, more backward, more superstitious, etc. Western do-gooderism isn't doing much but making these societies more over populated and unstable. (And letting a bunch of pompous busybodies pat themselves on the back for "saving Africa".)
~~~I hear what you're saying ... but this doesn't necessarily logically follow. Multiple\competing goals. Suboptimal, but routine in life.Replies: @matt
I took myself to be addressing the non-sociopathic readers of this blog (those who don’t think that people should die horrifically painful deaths). Perhaps that was naive.
What is the “competing goal”? Probably the same goal the US government has had since 1959: undermining the Cuban government. I don’t think that’s a particular noble or worthwhile goal. I don’t think it ever was, and certainly since the fall of the Berlin Wall I can’t even see its justification on the most cynical realpolitik grounds.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/26/world/middleeast/horror-before-the-beheadings-what-isis-hostages-endured-in-syria.html?_r=0
Frankly, when I read this, it was a bit of a gut punch. In the Catholic press, James Foley has been portrayed as just short of a Christian martyr. The NY Times's reporting is that he was not just a convert to Islam but an enthusiastic one.
But why has the media been so relatively quiet about this? Is it simply that good reporting makes the Religion of Peace look bad? Or do these conversions mitigate anti-ISIS war fever? Or some combination? Or something else?Replies: @Steve Sailer
Extreme duress.
Not that common …
Describing one of the the incidents: "Two pinned the younger boy’s arms, while others punched and kicked him — not viciously, but hard enough to matter, two witnesses said. He curled into the fetal position and was groped by his attackers."
"All told, four players from the freshman team were set upon between Sept. 19 and 29, often pushed to the locker room floor by a handful of varsity players, when coaches were not around. The older players punched and sometimes kicked the younger ones, pinned them and, at the very least, grabbed their buttocks, the freshmen said. Yet the two victims who spoke to The Times, including one who said he was penetrated from behind with a finger, said they were wearing pants and did not consider what happened to be that serious. A witness to a third attack said the victim was also wearing football pants. The Times did not talk to anyone who saw the fourth attack."
Of course, this has nothing to do with immigration... Sorry about that.
So let's take a look at how this thing really works.
Cuba trains lots of doctors, most of them not very well by American standards. The Cuban government then sends some of them to delightful locations such as West Africa to help treat Ebola patients. Wow! What a great humanitarian gesture by the Castro boys! Or, maybe not. This "humanitarian" program earns over $8 billion dollars in scarce hard currency for the chronically impoverished Cuban government. The doctors earn $60 per month in Cuba, but they can make up to $1200 per month overseas. You know where most of the money goes.
This economic gain is enough incentive to make many doctors and other health professionals volunteer for this happy program. But, as Ms. O'Grady points out, there are disincentives as well. The Cuban dictatorship has plenty of ways to make life unpleasant for those who turn down a chance to "volunteer." That some of the doctors decide to defect to the US should be no surprise, given the difference in living standards and the incomes between the two countries. Probably the reason that more do not try to come to the US is due to the harsh reprisals that their families will experience in Cuba.
So let's wrap this all up. Cuban doctors make $60 per month, high by Cuban standards, but less than a burger-flipper earns in one day in the US! These doctors are enticed (or, more properly, coerced) to "volunteer" for such duties as treating Ebola patients in Africa. The Cuban government keeps most of the money they earn. If they are caught trying to defect, they will probably be shot, but if they make it, their families in Cuba will be severely punished. Cuba is one of the poorest countries on the planet (food is rationed there), and the Cuban government is one of the most oppressive. So it's hardly surprising that lots of Cubans want to leave. Yet this slave trade in medical personnel is all the fault of the US! Just like all the problems in Cuba are the result of the US embargo. Only in the NYT!Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous
Cuba in 1959 had pretty high human capital — e.g., the greatest chess player of the 1920s. It was a much more attractive destination for Europeans with something on the ball than, say, Puerto Rico.
It lost a lot of that to Miami.
But Castro has kept up the doctor training and spread literacy. And it has great geography: an immense coastline cooled by ocean breezes but relatively little low lying inland swamps. So, I suspect its long run future will be pretty good. But getting to the long run …
More Chechens please.
“They’re not all war brides so something else is going on.”
I don’t think any of our Somali immigrants are war brides.
iSteve readers, here is a great piece by the Christian Science Monitor from 2006, describing Ike’s approach to illegal aliens. As many of you know, he implemented “Operation Wetback” and deported over a million and forced many more to ‘self-deport’. But this article is great because it is relatively recent, and it goes into the details about why this was necessary. It is a great read and should be pushed for today’s problem.
Excerpt:
“When did Somalis ever get to be a major concern for our immigration policy?”
Anti-Communists love welcoming Cuban defectors. I wouldn’t be surprised if your average anti-Libertarian imagines herself doing something similar for her own team by welcoming Somalis.
Not all that uncommon either, and in a sensible world, nobody would be charged with a crime, and the episode certainly would not be a national scandal. Just so we know what we’re talking about, and putting aside the hype about “rape” and “sexual assault,” here is a description by the NY Times, which actually interviewed two of the four boys who were hazed, as well as witnesses.
Describing one of the the incidents: “Two pinned the younger boy’s arms, while others punched and kicked him — not viciously, but hard enough to matter, two witnesses said. He curled into the fetal position and was groped by his attackers.”
“All told, four players from the freshman team were set upon between Sept. 19 and 29, often pushed to the locker room floor by a handful of varsity players, when coaches were not around. The older players punched and sometimes kicked the younger ones, pinned them and, at the very least, grabbed their buttocks, the freshmen said. Yet the two victims who spoke to The Times, including one who said he was penetrated from behind with a finger, said they were wearing pants and did not consider what happened to be that serious. A witness to a third attack said the victim was also wearing football pants. The Times did not talk to anyone who saw the fourth attack.”
Of course, this has nothing to do with immigration… Sorry about that.
“American immigration policy should give priority to the world’s neediest refugees and persecuted people. It should not be used to exacerbate the brain drain of an adversarial nation at a time when improved relations between the two countries are a worthwhile, realistic goal.”
Why not solve both problems, then, and just cut off the flow of immigrants period? Or better yet, let the NYT editors foot the bill the people they want to bring in? After all, its their great idea. Otherwise its just picking everyone else’s pockets to pay for their great idea, and patting themselves on the back for it.
Survey after survey shows that most Americans are against it. I hear again and again that the American people generations ago were at fault, when this is just failing to look back at history. They did rise against leftism, probably more than we have. In any case, complaining about them instead of focusing on what we can do, takes away the impetus for the current American people to do something. Focus on doing what you can do, and do it.
What are y’all referring to?
There was only one statewide ballot initiative in 2014:
http://ballotpedia.org/Texas_2014_ballot_measures
You are right, but my point had nothing to do with their work ethic. It was regarding the risks they took to come here. In short: very few, relative to the earliest European settlers.
Off Topic:
Re: the new popular podcast “The Serial”
My take.
Enabling the liberal mythology of many innocent people convicted wrongly.
With some immigrants in a mixed relationship, almost the ultimate liberal narrative.
“Nice alliteration, poor choice of examples.
Somalis are about as interested in, and as capable of, assimilation as Amishmen or Hasidim. They want little to do with native blacks. There are no Michael Browns in Lewiston! Or Owatonna, Helsinki or Rome. (And on some measures like family structure, I’m loath to admit, they’re ahead of whites.)
Salvadorans have proved they prefer annihilation of blacks to assimilation.”
They are not poor choices, they are excellent examples. It is 100 percent fact that the majority of Somalis and Salvadoran immigrants in the U.S are going to assimilate into the underclass and be financial burdens for White taxpayers.
Somalis and Salvadoran immigrants in the U.S are not going to become “the new Italians”.
The Somalis didn't absorb their Bantus, and nobody will absorb the Somalis. They've been in Kenya for generations, quite separate.
No one mentioned Italians until you did.
So let's take a look at how this thing really works.
Cuba trains lots of doctors, most of them not very well by American standards. The Cuban government then sends some of them to delightful locations such as West Africa to help treat Ebola patients. Wow! What a great humanitarian gesture by the Castro boys! Or, maybe not. This "humanitarian" program earns over $8 billion dollars in scarce hard currency for the chronically impoverished Cuban government. The doctors earn $60 per month in Cuba, but they can make up to $1200 per month overseas. You know where most of the money goes.
This economic gain is enough incentive to make many doctors and other health professionals volunteer for this happy program. But, as Ms. O'Grady points out, there are disincentives as well. The Cuban dictatorship has plenty of ways to make life unpleasant for those who turn down a chance to "volunteer." That some of the doctors decide to defect to the US should be no surprise, given the difference in living standards and the incomes between the two countries. Probably the reason that more do not try to come to the US is due to the harsh reprisals that their families will experience in Cuba.
So let's wrap this all up. Cuban doctors make $60 per month, high by Cuban standards, but less than a burger-flipper earns in one day in the US! These doctors are enticed (or, more properly, coerced) to "volunteer" for such duties as treating Ebola patients in Africa. The Cuban government keeps most of the money they earn. If they are caught trying to defect, they will probably be shot, but if they make it, their families in Cuba will be severely punished. Cuba is one of the poorest countries on the planet (food is rationed there), and the Cuban government is one of the most oppressive. So it's hardly surprising that lots of Cubans want to leave. Yet this slave trade in medical personnel is all the fault of the US! Just like all the problems in Cuba are the result of the US embargo. Only in the NYT!Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous
Cuba trains lots of doctors, most of them not very well by American standards.
And your evidence for this? Despite having population that is roughly 50% black, Cuba’s life expectancy is the same as in the US. Two common proxies for quality of the medical system, infant (under 1 y.o.) and child (under 5) mortality are both lower in Cuba than here. Think of where we’d be if we had 50% black population…
Hasn’t the infant mortality comparison been debunked? Cuba and other countries don’t count premature babies as live births, but the U.S. does.
According to this, Cuba’s black population is 9.3 percent and the mulatto/mestizo is 26.6%. That’s not great, but it’s not 50% black either. Thirty-six percent non-white is on par with the USA.
Would you call Puerto Rico 67% white?
I don’t know! But doubtful because then the Cuba-US difference would be radically different for infants and children – and it is not. There is also life expectancy to take into account – again, remembering that blacks tend to have shorter life span.
Cuba is at least 50% blacks + mulattoes. That Wikipedia link is pure bullshit. The claim that Cuba is 65% white is preposterous. Just go there and see. They simply have different ideas what white is. Genetic markers show that Cuba has about the same distribution as Puerto Rico. See here: http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1004488#pgen-1004488-g001
Would you call Puerto Rico 67% white?
“According to this, Cuba’s black population is 9.3 percent and the mulatto/mestizo is 26.6%. That’s not great, but it’s not 50% black either. Thirty-six percent non-white is on par with the USA.”
According to that link the average Cuban has has 20% Sub Saharan African admixture, which is enough Negro ancestry to be labeled as Black in the one drop rule Jim Crow South.
Not even Middle Eastern people have as much Sub Saharan African admixture as the average “White” Cuban, let alone European people.
The average Cuban is basically in Quadroon territory. The average Cuban is Off White for sure.
The most genetically European Spanish speaking group in Latin America are White Uruguayans and White Argentinians, not “White”Cubans.
My impression is that Cuba was long the most desirable spot in northern Latin America, and attracted the most desirable immigrants.
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Cuba is at least 50% blacks + mulattoes. That Wikipedia link is pure bullshit. The claim that Cuba is 65% white is preposterous. Just go there and see. They simply have different ideas what white is. Genetic markers show that Cuba has about the same distribution as Puerto Rico. See here: http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1004488#pgen-1004488-g001
Would you call Puerto Rico 67% white?”
Nobody will ever know what the true number of White people is in Latin America because it is such a racially mixed region. According to Wikipedia there are 219 million “White” people in Latin America.
But how many of those 219 million look like Steve Sailer and how many of those 219 million look like George Zimmerman ? And how many of those 219 million look like something in between meaning not as White looking as Steve Sailer but not as Brown looking as George Zimmerman either.
“My impression is that Cuba was long the most desirable spot in northern Latin America, and attracted the most desirable immigrants.”
Doesn’t change the fact that Sub Saharan African admixture is more common among Cubans who self identify themselves as Nonblack than it is among Americans who self identify themselves as Nonblack.
“Would you call Puerto Rico 67% white?”
The crime and murder rate in Puerto Rico wouldn’t be so high if it truly was 67 percent White. If Puerto Rico was 67 percent White it would have a similar crime and murder rate as Seattle, Washington which also happens to be 67 percent White.
Speaking of immigration….
“Hypocrisy and connections help IT outsourcing firms: The not-so-secret history of White House ties to the offshore outsourcing industry”, Patrick Thibodeau, Computerworld, Nov 13, 2014:
“…The liberal… Center for American Progress (CAP) advocates restricting… H-1B visas by offshore outsourcing firms… That stance didn’t stop one of the center’s board members, Carol Browner, from being appointed earlier this year as a director at Infosys, the Bangalore, India-based IT services firm that is one of the largest users of the H-1B visa.
Why would Browner, who served as an assistant to President Obama and director of the White House Office of Energy and Climate Change Policy from 2009 to 2011, take a position as an Infosys director?
…90% of Infosys’ U.S. employees use an H-1B or L-1 visa…
….Browner joined the Infosys board in April at about the same time another director — Ann Fudge, a former chairwoman and CEO of marketing firm Young & Rubicam Brands — left. Browner and Fudge share one thing in common: They served in the Obama administration. …
…Infosys announced that Fudge would become a director of Infosys. Six months later… Fudge was appointed to a two-year term on the State Department’s Foreign Affairs Policy Board…
…In 2013, Infosys agreed to pay the U.S. $34 million in a civil settlement “based on allegations of systemic visa fraud and abuse of immigration processes,” …
…the salary for a mid-career software engineer India ranges from about $6,000 to nearly $20,000, with a median at $10,500. (In the U.S., the salary for a mid-career software engineer ranges from $58,500 to $119,000, with a median of $80,000…
…outsourcing firms appear to avoid hiring U.S. workers. …in 2013, the District of Columbia awarded Infosys a $49.5 million contract to build a healthcare exchange in response to the Affordable Care Act. A later discrimination lawsuit… claims that of the approximately 100 Infosys employees working on this healthcare project, only three were American.”
Something is rotten in Denmark… wait, in DC.
One could argue that Capablanca may well be the greatest chess player ever, but he was long dead by 1959.
The CIA World Factbook reports basically the same information about Cuba.
Of course. That’s presumably the source for the Wikipedia article. But that source is bullshit. As the other commenter said, they have a different definition of White in Cuba.
'Large dollops of cash' can never be used as a defence against apostasy, neither, in fact, can dire threats to one's life.Replies: @DCThrowback
Unless, say, you can play CF or close the Yankees.
“American Indians descended from a Nomadic people who stumbled on the place. No great sacrifice or heroism there.”
The Bering Strait Cakewalk, a good time was had by all.
Have a look at how auto accidents are tabulated.
Plus Ricky Ricardo, who also emigrated. I do agree that Cuba will become very prosperous when the wretched Castro regime departs for the ash heap of history. The Cuban emigres will return with lots of money and buy up everything, because they will be the only ones with money. Tourists will return in large numbers, especially the Americans, because they are so close (it used to be possible to “drive” to Cuba via the ferry between Key West and Havana). There will be lots of service jobs for the native Cuban population, sort of like the rest of the Carribean, but they will be a lot better off than they are now.
There was only one statewide ballot initiative in 2014:
http://ballotpedia.org/Texas_2014_ballot_measuresReplies: @AnAnon
The drivers license one in Oregon.
Long live The Fair Play For Cuba Committee!
Somalis are about as interested in, and as capable of, assimilation as Amishmen or Hasidim. They want little to do with native blacks. There are no Michael Browns in Lewiston! Or Owatonna, Helsinki or Rome. (And on some measures like family structure, I’m loath to admit, they’re ahead of whites.)
Salvadorans have proved they prefer annihilation of blacks to assimilation."
They are not poor choices, they are excellent examples. It is 100 percent fact that the majority of Somalis and Salvadoran immigrants in the U.S are going to assimilate into the underclass and be financial burdens for White taxpayers.
Somalis and Salvadoran immigrants in the U.S are not going to become "the new Italians".Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Having the same income as your neighbors is not “assimilation”. (Unless you’re of the Old Left, to whom money was the only measure.)
The Somalis didn’t absorb their Bantus, and nobody will absorb the Somalis. They’ve been in Kenya for generations, quite separate.
No one mentioned Italians until you did.
Cuba produced one of this hemisphere’s greatest composers, Ernesto Lecuona. Morton Gould’s recordings from the stereophile 1950s are worth checking out. Lecuona looked totally Spanish, like his music sounded.
On the other hand, Cuba’s cricket teams are very black, with English surnames mostly. They descend from imported Caribbean sugar workers.
Bet you never saw “Cuba” and “cricket” in the same sentence before.
“Having the same income as your neighbors is not “assimilation”. (Unless you’re of the Old Left, to whom money was the only measure.)”
No ethnic group that is known for a high rate of poverty and crime like the Somalis can successfully assimilate into a first world society. Somalis are a burden in the U.S and they are a burden in the Scandinavian countries.
If you have reliable stats on Somali diaspora crime, please share them. I've been looking for 20 years. I know the Minneapolis colony well enough, and have never felt fear around them, but have seen plenty of comedy.
There are any number of valid reactions to The Three Stooges, but fear isn't one of them.
Would you call Puerto Rico 67% white?
I don’t even know if I can call the USA 67% white.
What was the climate there like at the time? The climate in Antarctica wasn’t that bad back in the day, from what I hear…
“Great Britain is a nation of immigrants.. from the Bronze age..”
WOW! Unbelievable. Shows you just how far Jewish cultural Marxism has degraded the peoples of the West.
People who settle a primitive wilderness and live there for centuries are “immigrant nations”, not descendents of settlers who legitimately own the land. The power of brainwashing is incredible. The again whites, for whatever reason seem more susceptible to feelings of guilt then other races. And the tribe instinctively sense this.
No ethnic group that is known for a high rate of poverty and crime like the Somalis can successfully assimilate into a first world society. Somalis are a burden in the U.S and they are a burden in the Scandinavian countries.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Short memory. I’m the one who said they wouldn’t assimilate!
If you have reliable stats on Somali diaspora crime, please share them. I’ve been looking for 20 years. I know the Minneapolis colony well enough, and have never felt fear around them, but have seen plenty of comedy.
There are any number of valid reactions to The Three Stooges, but fear isn’t one of them.
“The Bering Strait Cakewalk, a good time was had by all.”
I also love how I keep hearing in regards to ancient North America, how it was filled with all this diverse fauna that just mysteriously disappeared; strangely it occurred at the same time that the ancestors of modern native Americans were swarming into the continent.
The libtards will talk endlessly about the evil white man affecting the environment (even though in reality, he is the only one who seems to give a damn) but will blindly ignore a genocide of “diverse” wildlife across the Americas when the perps are inconveniently the poor brown victim group that they want to pretend are Tolkien Elves.
But it’s okay; the red man used every part of the giant sloths and woolly mammoths that he hunted to extinction…