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From the New York Times:

Dementia Can Make Patients Wander. What if They Cross the Border?

Family members everywhere worry about loved ones with dementia or Alzheimer’s suddenly taking off on their own. Having an international border close by raises the stakes.

 
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  1. Dementia Can Make Patients’ Minds Wander. What if They Cross the Line into Hate Speech?

    Family members everywhere worry about loved ones with dementia or Alzheimer’s suddenly taking off on wild tangents. Having a “hate speech” law raises the stakes.

    Checkmate, NYT.

    • Replies: @Gabe Ruth
    Perfect.
  2. Sounds like some kind of engineering solution may be needed. Something like a fence?

    • Replies: @A Ham Sandwich
    @eah @tr


    Grandpa has a cordless Black & Decker and needs asylum, though, so...

    , @Kronos
    It that kind of situation, you want them to be found ASAP. The boarder wall could help.
    , @Realist

    Sounds like some kind of engineering solution may be needed. Something like a fence?
     
    And if you electrify it, they will receive shock therapy...free of charge (pun intended)
  3. 1. Archive.org, please. Don’t give those white haters clicks.

    2. The globalists arguments are sillier by the week now. I think the rabid attacks on Trump are partially based on a deep-seated realization (which may not be conscious) that the communist arguments for open borders are all whack and lack rhetorical punch once properly opposed. So, instead of arguing the issue, they instead attack the leader leading the opposing side.

    • Replies: @Tono Bungay
    Can you flesh out your point about archive.org? Too cryptic for me. I use it a lot. What's up?
  4. Actually it sounds like another argument for a wall.

    • Agree: Mr. Grey
    • LOL: A Ham Sandwich
    • Replies: @anonymous
    The strongest argument for The Wall is global warming. Most global warming skeptics would be cured of their skepticism by living in California for more than one year.

    California is a receptacle for illegals in the short-term. But the water and irrigation infrastructure that Mulholland and others built will become unsustainable. The state is both demographically and ecologically insolvent, as the latest fires demonstrate. Global warming will increase temps in Central America and Mexico, driving millions northward, who barring The Wall, will end up in California and Texas in the short-term, and the Midwest, longer-term.
  5. If only there existed some technology to create a physical barrier preventing people from entering areas they are not authorized to access.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I would like to see a dementia sufferer scale a 51 foot ladder, let alone escaping from the simple but effective nursing home security mechanisms. Between those two locations, if unassisted most would end up as vulture food.
  6. @ ham –
    way to hoist them on their own retard ! ! !
    .
    once again, tail wagging dog scenario where a one in a million occurence concerning .0001% drives ‘policy’ for 100% of us 100% of the time to ‘solve’ a barely existing ‘problem’ of -let’s get real- little SOCIETAL consequence…
    .
    proving for the zillionth time we have w-a-y too many people who have no actual, real, useful, helpful work to perform… i say give them a q-tip and let them replace the pollinators we have eliminated…

  7. @tr
    Sounds like some kind of engineering solution may be needed. Something like a fence?

    Grandpa has a cordless Black & Decker and needs asylum, though, so…

  8. Oh..a medical problem?

  9. I wandered from home when I became an old-timer
    And I got the disease that is known as Alzheimer’s;
    But I discovered a place of which I’m even fonder,
    ’Cause I found that place for dotards who wander.

    Wo wo wo, don da didda-dooten
    Wo wo wo, don da didda-dooten
    Wo wo wo, don da didda-dooten
    Don diddle-a, don diddle-a
    Dill-a, dill-a, dill-a, dill-a

  10. Dogs can get lost and run away. What if they cross a border? What’s wrong with you goyim???!??!!? you hate dogs!?!?!?!?!

  11. Send them to the glue factory…..

  12. Cross the border? I’m much more concerned about the dementia patient running for president.

    [rimshot]

    Thank you very much. Please remember to tip your waitress.

    • Replies: @TWS
    Did he really talk to the monitor for several minutes?
  13. anonymous[134] • Disclaimer says:
    @eah
    Actually it sounds like another argument for a wall.

    The strongest argument for The Wall is global warming. Most global warming skeptics would be cured of their skepticism by living in California for more than one year.

    California is a receptacle for illegals in the short-term. But the water and irrigation infrastructure that Mulholland and others built will become unsustainable. The state is both demographically and ecologically insolvent, as the latest fires demonstrate. Global warming will increase temps in Central America and Mexico, driving millions northward, who barring The Wall, will end up in California and Texas in the short-term, and the Midwest, longer-term.

    • Agree: Paleo Liberal
    • Replies: @Oswald Spengler
    "California is a receptacle for illegals in the short-term. But the water and irrigation infrastructure that Mulholland and others built will become unsustainable...."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cWnubJ9CEw
    , @Counterinsurgency

    But the water and irrigation infrastructure that Mulholland and others built will become unsustainable.
     
    Right. It takes money to keep California's water supply coming. It also takes political unity [1]. The current US would be physically impossible without an internationally accepted currency and political unity at least within the continental United States.

    It isn't entirely clear where the existing populations would go should US political unity be lost and the US currency not be accepted [2], especially considering the loss of habitability nationally in US urban areas and the lack of jobs in the countryside.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] "Where Does California’s Water Come From? Land conservation and the watersheds that supply California’s drinking water" V1.1
    _The Nature Conservancy_, 2012/10.
    https://www.nature.org/media/california/california_drinking-water-sources-2012.pdf

    2] Which could happen if Treasury bonds could no longer be sold at low interest rates. The people increasing the national debt (supposedly at 23*10^12 US Dollars as of 2019/11) are playing with hotter fire than they perhaps understand.
    , @Alden
    Do you have any idea how much money is made after one of our fire earthquake flood seasons?

    Even without the federal aid. The gross profit from the 2017 Napa fire was about a billion so far. That’s just one county.

    The ashes are superb fertilizer. The trees burn and the sunlight gets in and the saplings grow quickly to get the sunlight. The forest grows back fast, burns again and more money is made.
  14. Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your confused dementia patients…

  15. Dementia Can Make Patients’ Minds Wander. What if TheyCross the Line into Hate Speech?

    Or worse: Make a Terminator movie?

    I know, OT. But the dud is back and even the MSM is picking up on the only tagline associated with this femi-mex mess: “get woke/go broke”.

    Love it! True, Terminator Dark Fate was always going to be a disaster. But it’s a disaster that’s forcing the grass-eaters to see why it’s a disaster. Good job, Ah-Nuld!

  16. As so often happens, I have to wonder about the genesis and true intent of this story.

    Is there a clique running the New York Times, with an overt checklist of issues to push, who then spread the word in their circles of progressive Ivy League pals, that they want another piece, let’s say, problematizing the notion of borders? And do they see themselves in a machiavellian, adversarial relationship with any part of their audience, plotting so as to propagandize to them, or are they primarily catering to the existing sensibility of that audience?

    In this particular case, I find myself wondering what the logic of the piece is meant to be. In a quick skim I didn’t see many (or any?) overt value judgments. And as the commentariat here shows, one may easily conclude to the problem of transnational dementia is to make the border more controlled.

    But there most likely is a larger reason why they would commission a story like this. These periodicals have editorial themes. The Times has its revisionist “1619 project”. The Atlantic’s recent article on the “porch pirate” was part of a series on “ending the age of mass incarceration”. Even if this piece isn’t overtly part of such a series, it must definitely fit some editor’s ideas of “news that is fit to print”.

    Also note the background of the author, Roxana Popescu. She lives in San Diego, so she’s writing about events in her own backyard. But her academic background? “Her Ph.D., from Harvard University, examined portrayals of balconies in European literature and painting.” No particular expertise on dementia or borders, then, but probably an expertise in rhetoric and culture. In other words, someone who has the ability to produce propaganda to order…

    • Replies: @Mitchell Porter
    On the other hand, I would also not discount the possibility that Popescu is the one who is catering to an audience here - the Times editors. They love their stories from the border, so she has given them one, and now it's up to them to put it to use.
  17. We had a hilarious case last year of an Israeli college student with an accepted “Dreamer” application accidentally leaving the USA and entering Mexico after a shopping trip at the outlet mall right on the border.

    The thing is, there are many large bold all caps signs saying “LAST USA EXIT” and “MEXICO ONLY – NO GUNS OR MEDICAL MARIJUANA.”

    And he could have just got out of the car as it became clear Mexico was in front of him, as his Mexican American buddy was driving.

    After he entered Mexico, he tried to turn right around. Nope.

    I think he managed to reenter after a week or two.

  18. @tr
    Sounds like some kind of engineering solution may be needed. Something like a fence?

    It that kind of situation, you want them to be found ASAP. The boarder wall could help.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    The boarder wall could help.
     
    With the dreamers and the folks from the caravans, that's pretty much what we have now, Kronos. Call it a "room & boarder wall".
  19. @Mitchell Porter
    As so often happens, I have to wonder about the genesis and true intent of this story.

    Is there a clique running the New York Times, with an overt checklist of issues to push, who then spread the word in their circles of progressive Ivy League pals, that they want another piece, let's say, problematizing the notion of borders? And do they see themselves in a machiavellian, adversarial relationship with any part of their audience, plotting so as to propagandize to them, or are they primarily catering to the existing sensibility of that audience?

    In this particular case, I find myself wondering what the logic of the piece is meant to be. In a quick skim I didn't see many (or any?) overt value judgments. And as the commentariat here shows, one may easily conclude to the problem of transnational dementia is to make the border more controlled.

    But there most likely is a larger reason why they would commission a story like this. These periodicals have editorial themes. The Times has its revisionist "1619 project". The Atlantic's recent article on the "porch pirate" was part of a series on "ending the age of mass incarceration". Even if this piece isn't overtly part of such a series, it must definitely fit some editor's ideas of "news that is fit to print".

    Also note the background of the author, Roxana Popescu. She lives in San Diego, so she's writing about events in her own backyard. But her academic background? "Her Ph.D., from Harvard University, examined portrayals of balconies in European literature and painting." No particular expertise on dementia or borders, then, but probably an expertise in rhetoric and culture. In other words, someone who has the ability to produce propaganda to order...

    On the other hand, I would also not discount the possibility that Popescu is the one who is catering to an audience here – the Times editors. They love their stories from the border, so she has given them one, and now it’s up to them to put it to use.

  20. Hello,
    One of my loved ones with dementia or Alzheimer’s recently wandered into the NYT offices- and was hired for her sane and smart views…

    Her first opinion piece will be appearing in tomorrow’s edition.

    ‘People with Dementia live by the sea. Why we need to drain the oceans.’

  21. Barrel bottom scraped.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    You wish.
  22. Anonymous[491] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Now, Germans have an excuse for WWII. They were in a state of dementia and had no idea what they were doing?

    Sind wir in polen? Ja oder nein, wir sind zu verrückt, um es zu wissen.

    Btw, people with dementia seem to be rather crafty. Surely, it can’t be dementia alone that takes people from Congo to Mexico to the US. There seems to be some strategizing.

    Well, at least the defenders of Columbus have an argument blessed by NYT. You see, Columbus was not some evil imperialist or greedy conqueror. He was just suffering from dementia as he mistook the New World for the borders of India. Give the guy a break.

  23. How about, you know, actually taking care of family members so they don’t wander on to the road, cross borders or do other things that endanger their safety?

  24. @415 reasons
    If only there existed some technology to create a physical barrier preventing people from entering areas they are not authorized to access.

    I would like to see a dementia sufferer scale a 51 foot ladder, let alone escaping from the simple but effective nursing home security mechanisms. Between those two locations, if unassisted most would end up as vulture food.

  25. When the Berlin wall was put up, the problem stopped.

  26. What if Dementia Patients got to write NYT editorials?
    Will it make a big difference?
    Has it, in fact, already occurred without anyone – including senior NYT staff – even noticing?
    Could it, in fact, lead to an increase in ‘editorial quality’?

    • LOL: BB753
  27. @anonymous
    The strongest argument for The Wall is global warming. Most global warming skeptics would be cured of their skepticism by living in California for more than one year.

    California is a receptacle for illegals in the short-term. But the water and irrigation infrastructure that Mulholland and others built will become unsustainable. The state is both demographically and ecologically insolvent, as the latest fires demonstrate. Global warming will increase temps in Central America and Mexico, driving millions northward, who barring The Wall, will end up in California and Texas in the short-term, and the Midwest, longer-term.

    “California is a receptacle for illegals in the short-term. But the water and irrigation infrastructure that Mulholland and others built will become unsustainable….”

  28. @Kronos
    It that kind of situation, you want them to be found ASAP. The boarder wall could help.

    The boarder wall could help.

    With the dreamers and the folks from the caravans, that’s pretty much what we have now, Kronos. Call it a “room & boarder wall”.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    I appreciate it when the Invite The World advocates defend open boarders.

    At first, normies may visualize Jack Sparrow and his hijinks, but in the back of their minds, most will recognize that dagger-in-mouth guys with sabers and grappling hooks aren’t a part of the recipe for a smooth journey.

    In their defense, those open boarders weren’t looking for subsidized health care or Section 8 vouchers. Or driving down the wages of able seamen.
  29. @tr
    Sounds like some kind of engineering solution may be needed. Something like a fence?

    Sounds like some kind of engineering solution may be needed. Something like a fence?

    And if you electrify it, they will receive shock therapy…free of charge (pun intended)

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    The Kaiser was way ahead of you, like a century or so...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOUUwKIN0Fg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B3rhZCOlgA
  30. @Achmed E. Newman

    The boarder wall could help.
     
    With the dreamers and the folks from the caravans, that's pretty much what we have now, Kronos. Call it a "room & boarder wall".

    I appreciate it when the Invite The World advocates defend open boarders.

    At first, normies may visualize Jack Sparrow and his hijinks, but in the back of their minds, most will recognize that dagger-in-mouth guys with sabers and grappling hooks aren’t a part of the recipe for a smooth journey.

    In their defense, those open boarders weren’t looking for subsidized health care or Section 8 vouchers. Or driving down the wages of able seamen.

  31. @anonymous
    The strongest argument for The Wall is global warming. Most global warming skeptics would be cured of their skepticism by living in California for more than one year.

    California is a receptacle for illegals in the short-term. But the water and irrigation infrastructure that Mulholland and others built will become unsustainable. The state is both demographically and ecologically insolvent, as the latest fires demonstrate. Global warming will increase temps in Central America and Mexico, driving millions northward, who barring The Wall, will end up in California and Texas in the short-term, and the Midwest, longer-term.

    But the water and irrigation infrastructure that Mulholland and others built will become unsustainable.

    Right. It takes money to keep California’s water supply coming. It also takes political unity [1]. The current US would be physically impossible without an internationally accepted currency and political unity at least within the continental United States.

    It isn’t entirely clear where the existing populations would go should US political unity be lost and the US currency not be accepted [2], especially considering the loss of habitability nationally in US urban areas and the lack of jobs in the countryside.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] “Where Does California’s Water Come From? Land conservation and the watersheds that supply California’s drinking water” V1.1
    _The Nature Conservancy_, 2012/10.
    https://www.nature.org/media/california/california_drinking-water-sources-2012.pdf

    2] Which could happen if Treasury bonds could no longer be sold at low interest rates. The people increasing the national debt (supposedly at 23*10^12 US Dollars as of 2019/11) are playing with hotter fire than they perhaps understand.

    • Replies: @anon
    . It takes money to keep California’s water supply coming. It also takes political unity [1].

    Plus a reliably smart fraction of the population.
    , @Neoconned
    Where will ppl go in the event of the dissolution of the USA? Lol

    Into ethnic states.....

    https://www.motherjones.com/food/2011/09/california-agriculture-too-productive-our-own-good/

    Anyway read this yrs ago and thought it made a good case for California's at industry being a national security issue....
  32. @The Z Blog
    Cross the border? I'm much more concerned about the dementia patient running for president.

    [rimshot]

    Thank you very much. Please remember to tip your waitress.

    Did he really talk to the monitor for several minutes?

  33. It seems to me the argument is for strict security: By having the border secure and all traffic closely monitored by professional guards with adequate resources, situations involving the senile, mentally ill, or small children crossing inadvertently or inappropriately are eliminated, as the hapless wanderers will invariably be stopped by a friendly but authoritative guard who can set them in a comfortable and safe room until their guardians can arrive to retrieve them.

    The idea lawless borders are needed is nonsense, much like the idea that only endless immigration can “reunite” or “prevent separation of” families, when, obviously, it’s the immigration of the first of them which separated the families in the first instance! The true solution is to stop that….

  34. @A Ham Sandwich

    Dementia Can Make Patients' Minds Wander. What if They Cross the Line into Hate Speech?

    Family members everywhere worry about loved ones with dementia or Alzheimer’s suddenly taking off on wild tangents. Having a "hate speech" law raises the stakes.
     
    Checkmate, NYT.

    Perfect.

  35. Something to remember when you hear “Medicare for All”. What they really mean is “Medicare for All the World”, since the Dems have already said that no illegal alien will be denied health care.

  36. @R.G. Camara
    1. Archive.org, please. Don't give those white haters clicks.

    2. The globalists arguments are sillier by the week now. I think the rabid attacks on Trump are partially based on a deep-seated realization (which may not be conscious) that the communist arguments for open borders are all whack and lack rhetorical punch once properly opposed. So, instead of arguing the issue, they instead attack the leader leading the opposing side.

    Can you flesh out your point about archive.org? Too cryptic for me. I use it a lot. What’s up?

    • Replies: @El Dato
    I think the idea is that iSteve point the URL to a NYT mirror at archive.org instead of the NYT directly, as the latter increases the reader count statistics, which is then used as leverage to make adverstisers on the NYT site pay more.
  37. @Counterinsurgency

    But the water and irrigation infrastructure that Mulholland and others built will become unsustainable.
     
    Right. It takes money to keep California's water supply coming. It also takes political unity [1]. The current US would be physically impossible without an internationally accepted currency and political unity at least within the continental United States.

    It isn't entirely clear where the existing populations would go should US political unity be lost and the US currency not be accepted [2], especially considering the loss of habitability nationally in US urban areas and the lack of jobs in the countryside.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] "Where Does California’s Water Come From? Land conservation and the watersheds that supply California’s drinking water" V1.1
    _The Nature Conservancy_, 2012/10.
    https://www.nature.org/media/california/california_drinking-water-sources-2012.pdf

    2] Which could happen if Treasury bonds could no longer be sold at low interest rates. The people increasing the national debt (supposedly at 23*10^12 US Dollars as of 2019/11) are playing with hotter fire than they perhaps understand.

    . It takes money to keep California’s water supply coming. It also takes political unity [1].

    Plus a reliably smart fraction of the population.

  38. @Realist

    Sounds like some kind of engineering solution may be needed. Something like a fence?
     
    And if you electrify it, they will receive shock therapy...free of charge (pun intended)

    The Kaiser was way ahead of you, like a century or so…

  39. @Tono Bungay
    Can you flesh out your point about archive.org? Too cryptic for me. I use it a lot. What's up?

    I think the idea is that iSteve point the URL to a NYT mirror at archive.org instead of the NYT directly, as the latter increases the reader count statistics, which is then used as leverage to make adverstisers on the NYT site pay more.

  40. @San Fernando Curt
    Barrel bottom scraped.

    You wish.

  41. The original Saturday Night Live cast could have turned this news story into a great skit.

  42. She kept going for 30 miles, finally stopping when she crashed into another car — in Tijuana.

    Hell, I did that when I was 19. And enjoyed it.

  43. @Counterinsurgency

    But the water and irrigation infrastructure that Mulholland and others built will become unsustainable.
     
    Right. It takes money to keep California's water supply coming. It also takes political unity [1]. The current US would be physically impossible without an internationally accepted currency and political unity at least within the continental United States.

    It isn't entirely clear where the existing populations would go should US political unity be lost and the US currency not be accepted [2], especially considering the loss of habitability nationally in US urban areas and the lack of jobs in the countryside.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] "Where Does California’s Water Come From? Land conservation and the watersheds that supply California’s drinking water" V1.1
    _The Nature Conservancy_, 2012/10.
    https://www.nature.org/media/california/california_drinking-water-sources-2012.pdf

    2] Which could happen if Treasury bonds could no longer be sold at low interest rates. The people increasing the national debt (supposedly at 23*10^12 US Dollars as of 2019/11) are playing with hotter fire than they perhaps understand.

    Where will ppl go in the event of the dissolution of the USA? Lol

    Into ethnic states…..

    https://www.motherjones.com/food/2011/09/california-agriculture-too-productive-our-own-good/

    Anyway read this yrs ago and thought it made a good case for California’s at industry being a national security issue….

  44. @anonymous
    The strongest argument for The Wall is global warming. Most global warming skeptics would be cured of their skepticism by living in California for more than one year.

    California is a receptacle for illegals in the short-term. But the water and irrigation infrastructure that Mulholland and others built will become unsustainable. The state is both demographically and ecologically insolvent, as the latest fires demonstrate. Global warming will increase temps in Central America and Mexico, driving millions northward, who barring The Wall, will end up in California and Texas in the short-term, and the Midwest, longer-term.

    Do you have any idea how much money is made after one of our fire earthquake flood seasons?

    Even without the federal aid. The gross profit from the 2017 Napa fire was about a billion so far. That’s just one county.

    The ashes are superb fertilizer. The trees burn and the sunlight gets in and the saplings grow quickly to get the sunlight. The forest grows back fast, burns again and more money is made.

  45. Yes, another NYT Pulitzer Prize winning article.

    As to border security, one thing I’ve not read anywhere yet is the simple and obvious solution to closing the US border to trespassers. This has been done many times and places. Two words:

    Land Mines

    Buried explosives scattered about would deter and discourage foot/vehicle traffic. East Germany, the USSR and doubtless many other nations have used them successfully. You would need big multilingual signs warning of danger of course. There would be occasional accidents w/ animals, birds, etc. You can defeat these with enough time and mechanical detonations. But electronic monitoring and rapid response would work well. I hate to suggest this but if the cartel narcos start coming across in larger numbers, something serious needs to be done. The costs of smuggling would rise exponentially to the point of non-affordability for most.

    Yes, there is some kind of UN thing about land mines. So what?

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