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Max Fisher, whom the New York Times assigns to writes its Big Think “Interpreter” essays, explains

Clearly, there has been something of a mental health breakdown in America, although coinciding less with Trump than with the Great Awokening of 2013–???.

Did the Great Awokening cause the mental health crisis?

Or is the Great Awokening the mental health crisis?

 
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  1. NYT Journalists: We are Literally Shaking, and have been for four years now. America, what are you going to do about this?

    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  2. wren says:

    Every serious reporter I know has sacrificed much of their personal lives / mental health to do their job these last four years

    Yeah, the cognitive dissonance and doublethink necessary to comply with the latest dem/left/deep state proclamation (which is their job) has left most msm journalists lobotomized.

    I love the way they are covering Russia’s latest disinfo campaign to make the poor bidens look bad.

    Bannon is going to keep them on their toes apparently.

    Good luck guys!

    • Agree: Coemgen
    • Replies: @lavoisier
    , @glib
  3. It’s a chicken and egg thing. Though I would say The Great Awokening exposed a lot of pre-existing conditions.

  4. There was a Soviet-era joke about a man who wants to see an eye-ear doctor. He is told, “There is no such thing. You can see an eye doctor who examines your eyes and one who examines your ears, nose and throat, but why would you want an eye-ear doctor?

    He says, “Well, because I keep hearing one thing and seeing something completely different!”

    I think that journalists, whose job it now is to tell us that one thing is happening while we see that what is actually happening is completely different, may be suffering the same cognitive dissonance as their audience–perhaps to an even greater degree.

    • Agree: wren, Hibernian
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    , @pirelli
  5. El Dato says:

    Wasn’t it that journalists told us what is happening and then we devided what to feel about it, whereas now they tell us what to feel about it, and we have to decide whether it actually happened?

    Except for the case where they are writing prose around a Deep State memo.

    This bullshit is the same.

    Maybe there should be a summer camp where they can concentrate. On the essentials.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  6. gent says:

    If it causes them this much undue stress, perhaps neurotic jews and inferiority-complex bearing mulatresses are not the ideal intellectual class?

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin, Abe
    • LOL: Almost Missouri
  7. Neoconned says:

    It was REAL hard finding a job in 2013. In late 2014 gas prices crashed below 2$ per gallon and have mostly stayed below $2.50 since.. .mostly due to fracking destroying the inflation hedge of the zillionairea. They used to inflatw gas prices to keep poor Americans down.

    I think its deflationary in nature. Without high gas prices real wages are rising as well.

  8. COVID/2020 seems to have had a psychological impact on a few HBD types this year causing them to be irrationally hostile to Trump (and in the case of one, to call for a military dictator to replace him).

  9. Looks like many sacrifices are being made:

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Dieter Kief
  10. SJWs just like to think they have (mild) mental health issues.. Anxiety is usually the ailment of choice. I noticed this at least 7 years ago. watching comment sections on any issue devolve into discussions of who had the most severe anxiety and which was the best medication.

    I sometimes wonder if they think being slightly mentally ill makes them more delicate and refined in some way, rather like invalids in Victorian times tottering from bed to fainting couch. Maybe ‘the princess and the pea’ was their favorite fairy tale when they were children.

  11. Smithie says:

    Does the body rule the mind or does the mind rule the body? I don’t know.

  12. Franz says:

    “Our Journalists Have Sacrificed Their Mental Health”

    No way.

    That’s like the nuns who sacrificed their sex lives to Jesus back in the day. Sorry, you cannot sacrifice what you never had.

    Journos covering tranny story hour and pride parades have sanity to give up? Puh-leese!

    • Replies: @Papinian
    , @guest
  13. Ano says:

    Dear Mr Sailer,

    Please help me out, and jog my memory please. I can’t seem to remember after January 20, 2009.

    My last memories are of some messianic negro with a halo around his head, promising Hope and Change.

    Then, he gave us Dope (sorry, I mean Hope), and I kind of tuned out on all the legal weed, until, I was woken up by some young woman in glasses and a black beanie yelling at the sky.

    Then, I re-tuned in (MSNBC, NPR naturally), and, apparently, some Bad Man has turned America out of the 2009-15 Garden of Eden!

    So, stop putting the blame on the Golden Year of 2013!

    Next, you’ll be saying US President Nelson Mandela was putting little brown kids in cages in 2014.

    You blow your own marijuana smoke in your own eyes; not mine!

    Yours,
    Jeffrey “The Dude” Lebowski

    • Replies: @Kronos
  14. And journalists of color must be very tired.

  15. Or is the Great Awokening the mental health crisis?

    Ahh – what was first? Insanity or wokeness? Insanity of couse. – What we see is – the evolution of madness going on : Insanity appears to – encapsulate – all kinds of forms in it – it is like the Devil in this respect, which was often times thought of as having no real gestalt – that at the core of his nature, as far as we aare able to understand it properly, lies the ability to incorporate – Angels even. Which means, that we earthlings can only be – saved – if we believe in God. So grave is our – natural, so to spaek – confusion.

  16. LondonBob says:

    We really do need a full explanation for this, there have been many worthy suggestions for the many factors that have driven this, from social media, extremism in academia, Jewish paranoia, to the collapse of serious journalism, but we don’t have a full explanation. In Blighty we have had a continuous period of hysteria from austerity, to Brexit, to Trump, to Covid, to Johnson and surely much more to come.

  17. black sea says:

    And they had so little mental health to sacrifice.

  18. NYT Columnists: Our Journalists Have Sacrificed Their Mental Health

    Wow, straight to the punchline without the setup.

    Activists believing they are journalists is indeed a mental health crisis with the potential to harm us all. Do they anti-journalism masks?

  19. notsaying says:

    I hate to see what is happening to the newspaper and magazine businesses.

    I think the serious journalists are all disturbed by all the empty seats in their newsrooms and they have every reason to wonder if they will be next. I am sure they are all working much harder than people did 20, 10 or even 5 years ago.

    But do I think their lives will suddenly greatly change for the better if Trump is out and the Senate goes Democratic? Not really. They’ll still be overworked and worried. They just won’t have to think about Trump anymore. Some will miss their constant outrage and will have to find replacement targets.

  20. anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:

    No disagreement with you Steve.

    But I seriously wish you would consider this angle as well.

    In the last 20 to 40 years the mass embrace of mostly to strict vegetarian/vegan diets by the upper classes have left them particularly vulnerable to mental illness.

    That is the conclusion of Dr Georgia Eades. As a former student/faculty mental health psychiatrist at Harvard she has seen the damage done to young people raised on vegan/vegetarian diets.

    As Dr Eades points out these young people suffer from extreme narcissism and a complete lack of the resilience to cope with with reality and the stresses of everyday life.

    https://www.diagnosisdiet.com/

    Dr. Georgia Ede – ‘Our Descent into Madness: Modern Diets and the Global Mental Health Crisis’

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Disagree: Charon, HammerJack
    • Replies: @peterike
    , @Jack D
    , @AnotherDad
  21. “Every serious reporter I know has sacrificed much of their [sic] personal lives/mental health to do their [sic] job these last four years.”

    That’s an explanation, not an excuse.

  22. Anon[280] • Disclaimer says:
    @Smithie

    The body (the part above the neck) is the mind. There is no ghost in the machine.

  23. If anyone thinks that voting Trump out of office means not having to hear from him again, you just haven’t been paying attention since the 1980s.

    TDS is here to stay.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  24. Anonymous[255] • Disclaimer says:

    As with actors, when today’s journalists complain of eroding mental health, how is the layman to tell the difference?

    That is, if you’re, by nature, a lowlife piece of shit, how are we to differentiate that from being a crazy lowlife piece of shit?

  25. @Smithie

    Either way, you’re still ill.

  26. Mike Tre says:

    The only people who think like this are people with too much free time on their hands.

  27. Altai says:

    Several factors feeding into this.

    Feminisation of journalism leading rightly or wrongly to less sigma and greater complaints about mental health. Women are more prone to anxiety and depression in the first place and find jobs take more time away from things more important to them. J-school classes are almost entirely female these days, a predictable consequence of credentialism.

    Social media. Prior to Facebook and Twitter, discourse on the internet was from small numbers of nerds and three things: almost entirely male, (Remember the joke ‘there are no girls on the internet’. Remember when Ron Paul was ‘the internet’s candidate’) almost entirely anonymous and largely ignored by the media/unknown to the general population. Now most content posted online and post political content is posted by women under their own names and is taken deadly seriously by the media. Further, it is centralised rather than dispersed across many websites/forums, this has some advantages for marginalised ideas to get infront of more eyes but also serves to standardise and amplify dominant ones that allows those ideas to go further and crazier with more and more of their suppositions becoming mainstream. Having your real name tied to something creates a different kind of discourse. Unpopular opinions aren’t shared and ideas aren’t expressed as much as people just virtue-signal. But we also know that social media leads people to become depressed via constant comparisons to others.

    And the power users of this new landscape are young women with BPD and in the case of instagram, BPD and NPD. No other cohort on this planet has ever used the words ‘mental health’ more than the users of Tumblr which became a social media platform dominated by teenage girls with BPD and which pioneered almost all the silliness we see today. (Most famously the Xir/Zir pronouns stuff that was walked back very quickly when it was brought into the real world due to how silly it was with them settling on They as the sole non-binary pronoun with a shocking lack of suicides as a result of all the others being ‘invalidated’)

    2013 being the time of the great awokening isn’t terribly surprising. 2012 saw the first presidential election after Twitter and Facebook had reached a certain scale. It saw the first example in America of political virtue-signalling on a mass scale. Once that environment was created, the Tumblr-Twitter pipeline could open up, with GamerGate being an early flashpoint.

    It’s also real. As society becomes more and more atomised, purposeless and yes, even for SJWs, (But as a moral-religious paradym, nobody ever said it was going to make legacy Americans lives better, if anything making them worse is better, it makes a true sacrifice) the mutlicultural utopia brings a sense of insecurity and isolation. Younger generations don’t have the same sense or reality of social cohesion, it’s taking a toll over a lifetime and eventually catches up with a lot of them. Adherence to this new religion also means the last 5 years has tested your faith and understanding. They literally don’t know how to integrate this turn of events into their world view. Their response is to demonise poor white people. People talk about the venom pointed at Trump but I think ‘Trump voter’ is the real trigger word for these people. They’ve lost their minds and don’t understand why anyone would vote for Trump except for badness. They’ll never get that maybe they feel about ‘immigration restriction’ the same way a Tea Party attendee feels about climate change. In fact the parallels are uncanny.

    Add to that, that being a rank and file journalist in the 2010s/2020s seems to be poorly paid and deeply unsatisfying, at least to the generations working there now brought up on Hollywood movie cliches so pervasive it must have convinced them of an alternative reality of civic-mindedness and heroic speaking truth to power. What must it be like for a Gen Y/Z employee paid so little with no career future to have to listen to editors or CEOs who all printed the obvious lies about Iraq either because they were so stupid they believed them or worse, because they believed in the war so much they gladly published them?

    Does this look like a happy work place? These are the TikToks produced by the Washington Post featuring their deeply depressed looking staff.


    But something about journalism also seems to attract young women with BPD and NPD and there is no cohort with a certainty to have bad mental health than those people. (I refuse to believe more than a tiny amount of men would ever talk about how Trump’s presidency impacted their mental health, even if they thought it was true) Has the collective personality of American MSM media begun to take on more and more of the characteristics of a 15 year old Tumblr user? The creation of the Washington Post’s TikTok account seems to suggest they think 15 year old girls are a key demo.

    But this idea also poses another. What impact does it have on somebody to have strangers walking through your house every now and then or stay with you without your consent? What mental health impact is there on natives from having their social space ‘polluted’ by so many social strangers and outgroups? With no control or even ability to talk about it.

  28. kihowi says:

    You’re making the mistake again of believing people. Their mental health isn’t suffering, they’re having a grand old time. Bullies will tell you that nothing is more fun than a pile-on. Adding humiliation is only the natural next step. “He hurt my fist with his face and stained my clothes with his blood! I’m the real victim here!”

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  29. lavoisier says: • Website
    @wren

    Yeah, the cognitive dissonance and doublethink necessary to comply with the latest dem/left/deep state proclamation (which is their job) has left most msm journalists lobotomized.

    I actually think you are right about this. I think at some fundamental level people who knowingly lie about things and then lie to themselves that they are telling the truth, do great harm not only to society, but to themselves.

    One day we will learn that there is a price paid to liars for lying. I suspect on an organic level it may well indeed damage the brain, perhaps the synapse connections get reduced as one lies continuously. Or, no new synapses are formed when you continuously follow the same template or narrative for any issue that you are asked to address–school failure, crime rates, welfare use, IQ testing. Ascribing everything to white racism certainly does not place demands on the brain to think deeper about any issue or give you an opportunity to grow intellectually.

    I remember reading somewhere that school teachers suffer much higher rates of dementia than other occupations with similar level of education. I question whether this affliction is a reflection of all the lies they must imbibe on a regular basis to remain employed as a school teacher.

    • Replies: @bomag
  30. @LondonBob

    “we really do need a full explanation for this”

    Easy – The Powers That Be have given up on “fairness” now that “the former student revolutionaries occupy the corner offices” (Good Hitchens) and the Long March Through The Institutions is complete.

    Remember the student revolutionaries threw bricks at “fascists” and chanted “disembowel Enoch Powell” outside his meetings. They were never about fairness.

    We’ve gone from “a civilised society allows free debate, even of unpopular views” (when they weren’t in charge) to “a civilised society cannot allow itself to be torn apart by the hate-mongers” (now that they are).

    But there’s no doubt journalists are suffering.

    He was an ex-racing greyhound called Laddie, with an illustrious track record, white socks and a white tail. It was love at first sight. “Are you sure we can keep a greyhound in a flat?” I asked the manager of the dog shelter nervously, as my boyfriend Charlie stared at Laddie with emoji love hearts in his eyes. “Plenty of greyhounds live in apartments,” she reassured us. Charlie and I posed for a photo with Laddie – we look so happy in it, we might explode – and then went home to await our home check, in a few weeks.

    As we waited, I browsed dog beds online, considered the merits and demerits of harnesses versus leads, dry food versus wet. I ringed the photo of Laddie with a love heart and texted it to my family and friends. “He looks like such a good boy,” one friend responded. “Would you like to be godparents?” I offered benevolently.

    The day of the home visit came – a formality, I’d been assured. “We charmed them, didn’t we?” I asked Charlie, after the assessor left. We decided we had. And then the phone call the next day: it was a no, the shelter said. Too many stairs, apparently. (We live on the first floor.) Embarrassed, I rescinded the godparent offer and removed the dog bed I’d carefully selected from my online basket. Laddie would never be ours.

    Like many other young, childfree, city-dwelling couples during the coronavirus lockdown, our thoughts had turned to dog ownership. How could they not? A dog seemed like a shining pathway out of the gloom.

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/oct/18/dogs-of-woe-the-pull-of-a-pooch-in-covid-times

    A happy ending, though. She is now a cat lady. I approve her decision, so right for young female freelance Guardian journos.

  31. glib says:
    @wren

    Agree. They never had any.

  32. neutral says:

    That these people are suffering from mental illness is obvious. The question is how they managed to take over corporations, government, the media with their mental illness? Is it because of the rest of the people are too afraid to confront them or is it because they feel sorry for these disturbed people and thus don’t want cause them further anguish?

    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
  33. @notsaying

    I hate to see what is happening to the newspaper and magazine businesses.

    I think the serious journalists are all disturbed by all the empty seats in their newsrooms and they have every reason to wonder if they will be next. I am sure they are all working much harder than people did 20, 10 or even 5 years ago.

    I don’t think there are serious professional journalists. Anyone that works for the MSM has to be intellectually dishonest on a daily basis and they know it. The real journalists make blogs and youtube videos in their spare time.

    MSM journalists couldn’t even use the word riot as buildings were burned and stores were looted.

    Their allegiance to liberalism and the great lie is well past the level of absurdity.

    I have no doubt that they are mentally exhausted. Constant dishonesty is not good for mental health.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  34. martin_2 says:
    @Anon

    I can eat your brain, but I can’t eat your mind. (Although I believe there was a Pokemon character who ate dreams.)

  35. Walsh2 says:

    When one’s entire world view is based on lies, lies that can be debunked through simple objective observance and a modicum of critical thinking, hanging on to that world view would presumably be very tiring and drive one towards mental illness.

  36. Papinian says:
    @Franz

    Gibbon:

    It was with the utmost difficulty that Ancient Rome could support the institution of six vestals [virgins]; but the primitive church was filled with a great number of persons of either sex, who had devoted themselves to the profession of perpetual chastity. . . . Disdaining an ignominious flight, the virgins of the warm climate of Africa encountered the enemy in the closest engagement; they permitted priests and deacons to share their bed, and gloried amidst the flames in their unsullied purity. But insulted Nature sometimes vindicated her rights, and this new species of martyrdom served only to introduce a new scandal into the church.

  37. Coemgen says:

    The “journalists” perpetual state of willful cognitive dissonance must be very stressful to maintain.

    It’s no wonder they have mental health issues.

    I believe the cure is a red pill.

    • LOL: lavoisier
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  38. By 2012 there was a lot of pro-White activism on the internet. Comment sections, Twitter and YouTube were awash in it. There was discussion of Jewish influence (not all of it positive – lol). This kept accelerating.

    Even an Ivory Tower intellectual like Chomsky expressed concern over the ‘genocide meme’ all over the place. This unhinged a lot of people in the Establishment. They became anxious of something brewing they didn’t understand.

    Trump played to it and this really traumatized them.

    Now there’s a big coordinated shutdown of it, which takes a lot of time and effort. More respectable HBD types will claim such populist uprisings couldn’t possible affect anything. Notice, every HBD blog is still up. But the pro-White sites were actively crushed.

    • Replies: @guest
  39. @Smithie

    Smithie…All the body parts got together to decide who would lead. The brain stated its case as the thought center, the heart said without my blood the brain wouldn’t exist. The lungs said without oxygen neither would survive, and back and forth until the anus spoke up and said I am the most important. All other parts laughed and went on stating their case. The anus simply shut down. In one day there was discomfort. In two days there was pain. In three days the brain throbbed, the heart ached and the lungs gasped. After a week they ceded the title to the anus. So no matter how important you think you are some asshole contols your life. I’m here all week. Try the veal and don’t forget to tip your waiter.

    • LOL: Captain Tripps
  40. Art Deco says:

    As Dr Eades points out these young people suffer from extreme narcissism and a complete lack of the resilience to cope with with reality and the stresses of everyday life.

    I don’t think that’s coming from vegetarian diets (which are followed by less than 4% of the population). Are Jains crazy people?

    My wager would be that the narcissism in a function of (1) small families and (2) cloying excess of parental attention and (3) a secular decline in the willingness of parents and school officials to speak with asperity to the young and (4) an increased propensity to subscribe to the services of mental health tradesmen, which generates iatrogenic problems.

    • Agree: kaganovitch, AnotherDad
    • Replies: @res
    , @anonymous
    , @AnotherDad
  41. @notsaying

    Some will miss their constant outrage and will have to find replacement targets.

    The coordinated anti-Trump freak-out has permanently destroyed any pretense that mainstream media has integrity or even semi-objectivity. As a class, journalists have outed themselves as dishonest activist propagandists.

    I don’t know where all their hatred gets channelled after Trump. But with any luck they will turn it on each other.

  42. anonymous[100] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Prove it.

    • Replies: @Anon
  43. @photondancer

    “my therapist” is also a common intonation.

    • Replies: @Lace
  44. @Another Canadian

    If anyone thinks that voting Trump out of office means not having to hear from him again, you just haven’t been paying attention since the 1980s.

    Good point. He could still torment journalists for the next four years by saying “I told you so,” whenever Biden’s dementia and Kamala’s general awfulness are on full display. Will journos still feel compelled to slavishly think the opposite of everything Trump says?

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
  45. dfordoom says: • Website
    @photondancer

    I sometimes wonder if they think being slightly mentally ill makes them more delicate and refined in some way, rather like invalids in Victorian times tottering from bed to fainting couch.

    Yes. It’s a bit like being a consumptive, which was a sign that you were sensitive and artistic. Being a consumptive meant you could write poetry and stuff. It meant you were probably a genius and even if you never actually wrote any poetry that made you an even more tragic and romantic figure, because your artistic genius had been prevented from flowering.

    • Replies: @photondancer
  46. Frank G says:

    The journalist cries out as he strikes you.

    • Agree: GeneralRipper
    • LOL: Almost Missouri
  47. dfordoom says: • Website

    My theory on why journalists in the past used to have fewer mental health problems. They’d cover a story that might be upsetting, then afterwards they’d have a steak dinner and then go to a bar and have a few bourbons and smoke lots of cigarettes and then the world wouldn’t look so bad after all. Sanity would be restored.

    Journalists today cover a story that might be upsetting and all they can do is go home and have a carrot juice and a vegie burger.

    The answer to maintaining good mental health in stressful jobs – red meat, booze and cigarettes.

    Remember, the reason America could put a man on the moon in the 1960s is that the scientists and engineers could handle the stresses because they had whiskey and cigarettes to unwind.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Reg Cæsar
  48. Every serious reporter I know has sacrificed much of their personal lives / mental health to do their job these last four years

    The mark of a serious journalist is disinterestedness. Perhaps the New York Times should reevaluate its reporters’ qualifications.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  49. @Harry Baldwin

    Good one. But it’s kinda weird how all this wry, dark humor from the old Soviet Union applies better over here now.

  50. @dfordoom

    I like the consumption analogy. That certainly does sound like a lot of them.

  51. @HammerJack

    The “sacrifice” of journalists’ mental health was a sacrifice so small, so paltry, that it is insulting that they expect any recognition for it.

    • LOL: AnotherDad
  52. @YetAnotherAnon

    A happy ending, though. She is now a cat lady. I approve her decision, so right for young female freelance Guardian journos.

    Outstanding!

  53. peterike says:
    @anonymous

    As a former student/faculty mental health psychiatrist at Harvard she has seen the damage done to young people raised on vegan/vegetarian diets.

    Maybe that’s why so many dot Indians are hideous harpies.

  54. @LondonBob

    This is a good discussion of why “journalists” _must_ lie today:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/emails-are-russian-will-be-narrative-regardless-facts-or-evidence

    Bottom line–no fancy cocktail parties and promotions if they tell the truth.

    Peer pressure is very powerful.

    As far as who creates the peer pressure, it is the mass media owners, and folks around here know who they are… 🙂

  55. @Coemgen

    In my kinder moments I like to think that there are no enemies, only friends who don’t know it yet.

  56. Anon[725] • Disclaimer says:

    The Bible states even a fool can be thought wise if he keeps his mouth shut. Twitter has allowed many journalists and entertainers to show themselves to be fools, ruining any intellectual mystique they may have once been imputed to have by others.

  57. Alden says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    She couldn’t buy a dog? Or look on Craig’s List for puppies? Or make a looking for a dog post on Facebook?

  58. Self-righteous, whining bast*.

  59. @Dave Pinsen

    Some in the MSM were calling for a coup against President Trump in his first year in office, so nothing new this year.

  60. AndrewR says:
    @Altai

    Their response is to demonise poor white people. People talk about the venom pointed at Trump but I think ‘Trump voter’ is the real trigger word for these people. They’ve lost their minds and don’t understand why anyone would vote for Trump except for badness.

    This seems too obvious to even mention, but many “poor white people” detest Trump. After controlling for “education” level, higher income correlates with higher support for Trump, unsurprisingly.

    Hillary obviously was not the ideal person to describe half of Trump supporters as a “basket of deplorables,” (not only because she herself is highly deplorable, but because so were many/most of her supporters), but what she said was obviously true. It’s even more true in October of 2020. Anyone who eagerly supports Trump now is either a very evil person or a very stupid person. Many are both, of course. I would say a similar thing about Biden supporters, although his supporters are probably significantly less evil than Trump supporters, albeit no less stupid.

    Let’s just all agree that this is the biggest clownfest of an election in history, and both Biden and Trump are both by far the worst major party presidential nominees in history, and that is saying a lot. No matter who wins bext month, the nation – and the world – will lose, at least short term. But I’m confident that the acceleration of the downfall of the United States will turn out to be a good thing in the long term.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @Gabe Ruth
  61. botazefa says:
    @LondonBob

    but we don’t have a full explanation.

    I think it is generally fashionable to believe in open borders, gender fluidity & gay marriage, and critical race theory. It is also highly fashionable to believe that talented individuals portrayed in media are representative of their identity group instead of exemplary members.

    The Flynn effect is reversed and public schools have failed.

    Tactically, in this election, all of that is an advantage to an oligarchy that is vote rigging with a media propaganda blitz that is highly coordinated. They want Biden.

    God Bless the American People.

  62. @Anonymous

    Re: Jim Belushi

    Attending mostly peaceful riots, arson and looting is, I suppose, one way to jumpstart a dead acting career.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  63. The regular struggles of people doing regular jobs are more sympathetic than establishment media staffers. I don’t wish ill onto others, but Max Fisher’s tweet seems particularly whiny.

  64. Jack D says:

    Apparently the sacrifice didn’t work and madness has ensued.

    In this weeks’s “T Magazine” (the NY Times has TWO Sunday magazines for reasons unclear to me), the magazine names 5 “Greats” for 2020. This being the style magazine, some of the “greats” are photographed wearing expensive clothes and the caption indicates the brand names and where you can buy them so you can look like a “great” (e.g. “Salvatore Ferragamo coat, $1,790, and pants, $590, ferragamo.com, and Hermès sweater, $1,350, hermes.com. “) I assume the fashion brand pays for the product placement and the subject gets to keep the clothes.

    In our 2020 Greats issue, out Oct. 25, T celebrates five talents who, in mastering their crafts, have changed their fields — and the culture at large.

    Guess how many of 2020’s “Greats” are white males? No peeking?

    If you guessed 0 out of 5, you won:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/10/19/t-magazine/the-greats.html

    (When Trump calls something great he’s an idiot, but the NY Times can still use it without irony).

    In case you are wondering who the “greats” are:

    1. Dawoud Bey (67) – obese mulatto photographer, documenter of black life.

    2. Angela Davis (76) – Another mulatto who needs no introduction. The family of the late Superior Court Judge Harold Haley doesn’t think she is so great.

    3. Barbara Kruger (75)- Conceptual artist. Yes she is Jewish. You may not know the name but you have probably seen her work. It all looks like this:

    A black & white photo with a caption superimposed consisting of a red stripes with white san serif letters.

    4. FKA Twigs (32) – Mulatto British singer. “With her ethereal aesthetic, staggering performances and cerebral body of work that blends R&B and art-pop, the singer has charted a singular course for herself — and for the future of music.” Her father is Jamaican, and her mother English. Barnett was raised by her mother and did not meet her father, a jazz dancer, until she was 18.

    5. Sigourney Weaver (71). Don’t ask me why they put her in this group. I guess they realized that they needed to include at least one token white goy but couldn’t bring themselves to call a white male “great”.

    The vision of our future is not a boot stomping on a face forever, it is a bunch of mulattoes with a couple of aging Boomer white women thrown in for the time being. Younger whites, especially white males, have no greatness at all and have to be written out of the future.

    Mulattoes (starting with Obama) are the face of the future because they possess the requisite (token) quantum of blackness but are smarter than actual ADOS black people. One of the secrets to why the Caribbean (except for Haiti) functions relatively well given their mostly black population is that most Caribbean states have a mulatto ruling class. Racial strife is avoided because everyone is “black” but the smarter (partly white) people are allowed to be in charge. In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

  65. Jack D says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Ex-racing greyhounds are terrible pets. They are not bred to be pets. They are bred to run fast and chase the mechanical rabbit. Most dogs love human companionship, which is after all the point of having a pet dog (at least to me) – “man’s best friend”. Ex racing greyhounds are like cats – they are indifferent to humans (they are too stupid to interact in a meaningful way and they are handled like livestock and receive little human interaction growing up), which completely defeats the purpose of owning a dog. Usually they are adopted by bleeding heart leftist type women because no one in their right mind would want one. At least they are not dangerous like pit bulls, another liberal white woman favorite.

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  66. res says:
    @Art Deco

    I don’t think that’s coming from vegetarian diets (which are followed by less than 4% of the population). Are Jains crazy people?

    Remember HBD here. A group which has been vegetarian for many generations may be different from a group which has not.

    I think your points are good ones, but maybe embrace the idea of “all of the above” and consider the nutrition idea.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  67. Mr. Anon says:
    @TelfoedJohn

    BOSTON: anti-Trump protesters burn a flag and then eat a bloodied heart symbolizing they president

  68. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonymous

    Damn! Now I can never watch K-9 again!

    Oh, that’s right – I forgot – I didn’t want to ever watch it again.

  69. They don’t even realize how much they indict themselves.

  70. @Altai

    I was in print journalism but the feminization is especially dramatic on radio news, where you can actually hear the shrill hysterical edge in the reporter’s voice even when the subject matter — Trump bad or whatever — doesn’t warrant so much emotion.

    Also keep in mind how the female drama-queen behavior you describe so well eventually infects the males who remain in the field. Men deferentially opened the door, wanted to seem civilized and inclusive, and let themselves get steamrolled. So now we get feelings instead of facts.

    And the process is repeating in various other disciplines and professions

    • Replies: @Muggles
  71. @Hypnotoad666

    I think it’ll go the other way. He’ll be rehabilitated in the liberal imagination, and people will soon look back nostalgically on his presidency.

  72. I remember hearing Hans Christian Andersen’s tale “The Emperor’s New Clothes” as a youngster. It didn’t make any sense to me. I thought it was idiotic. What did it mean that the adults couldn’t see that there were no clothes? Now that I’ve witnessed the mental illness of our chattering classes it makes perfect sense. Too bad this is a permanent human condition dating back to the beginning of time.

  73. rexl says:
    @Altai

    It is easy to be a journalist today, no investigation just copy what your editor thinks or writes. In fact part of the problem with kids being sent home to get their classes virtually, is that college is easy and your parents are going to see just how easy, now. “I go out every night, and I still manage to get all
    A’s. ” Wow.

  74. @YetAnotherAnon

    “Are you sure we can keep a greyhound in a flat?” I asked the manager of the dog shelter nervously

    Urban-dwelling SWPLs who keep large dogs in tiny city apartments are the most insidious animal abusers.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  75. Anon[324] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    “A sustained pioece of analytical hatchet-work on Cartesian dualism”:

  76. Jack D says:
    @anonymous

    This is much too neat and easy of a solution. It smells of quackishness. Given those vegans a nice juicy steak and our problems will be over.

    My wife specializes in reading disabilities (what is often called dyslexia). Many years ago, I recall that she had a conversation at a party with a man who (once he found out her occupation) told her that he had a son who was dyslexic but that he had taken him to some quack opthamologist who was convinced that dyslexia was caused by an unknown type of vision problem (not the usual correction for focus) and if dyslexics wore the special kind of spectacles that he had invented (I forget if they were tinted some special color or what – something like that) their dyslexia would be cured. My wife tried to tell the poor man that reading is actually a complex series of skills and that seeing the letters is just one part of reading and rarely the one that is implicated in dyslexia – the problem is usually in your head, not your eyeballs. Maybe in 1% of cases, these glasses were really the cure but most children would receive little if any benefit.

    Anyway, this sounds like the same thing. Maybe diet is (some small) part of the problem some of the time but it is not THE problem. This also brings into play the maxim that if the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

  77. @anonymous

    In the last 20 to 40 years the mass embrace of mostly to strict vegetarian/vegan diets by the upper classes have left them particularly vulnerable to mental illness.

    That’s not it.

    I totally agree with the critique. Humans are omnivores and vegetarianism is stupid. (Maybe it’s ok if you’re a Hindu Brahmin and your particular micro-caste has been veggie for a couple thousand years.) And our public health “authorities” went off on a completely wrong headed anti-meat/anti-fat, pro-grain (carb) campaign, which is contrary to the way our basic metabolism works. (Carbs are digested faster and yo-yoing your blood sugar around just stores up fat and gets you hungry again.)

    But … how many people–especially elites–are actually on vegetarian, much less vegan diets? Sure they might be eating more salad, but they are also eating all the same stuff most Americans eat. Burgers, pizza, bacon and eggs, steak, seafood, etc. Hit the restaurant for Mexican, Chinese, Indian–and there’s some beef or chicken or pork in your meal.

    The vegetarians and vegan skew very heavily toward silly girls … and yes in a healthy society they would never be given space in major media to grace us with their “ideas”. But they can’t account for this.

    If you want a problem with feminine silliness taking over the media, and you want a problem beyond just “feminine silliness”, then i’d say “delayed child bearing”. That’s bad physically and mentally for the girls. But it also makes the young men less serious–more silly and stupid.

  78. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    One of the secrets to why the Caribbean (except for Haiti) functions relatively well given their mostly black population is that most Caribbean states have a mulatto ruling class.

    Do you have any conclusions not found in your premises?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  79. Because they’re “journalists”. Reporters didn’t have these problems. Or if they did, they were treated at the bar.

  80. @Anon

    The body (the part above the neck) is the mind. There is no ghost in the machine.

    I smash the radio, and the music stops. Therefore, the radio is the music.

  81. Lace says:
    @Jack D

    Cats are not indifferent to humans, it just takes a longer time for them to attach themselves to you. But they also CAN be trained very early on. I had cats as a child in the country, they lived outside, and were eventually often killed by wild dogs. I had one as an adult, but didn’t replace her after she died, as most do. Cats are beautiful, clever things, and their ‘independence’ can be inspiring and also very funny. I used to like to scare unwanted guests (accompanying friends) with my cat, who I kept very wild. I don’t want any more pets of any kind, though, unless I could have a horse farm–but that’s not exactly ‘pets’. I like dogs but not for the city unless you have a backyard–I’ve been inside too many ‘dog-smell’ houses and apartments.

    It’s unfortunate that cats are a joke because of ‘cat ladies’, and in a big city, there really are houses full of huge numbers of them are not infrequently discovered–almost always the doing of insane women. When I was still a student, I once took a summer job in an ‘animal shelter’ which was run by a dirty woman so truly mentally ill, she put at least 300 cats in cages in a NYC building on nice W. 3rd St., would not spay them, and ‘experimented’ on ‘preserving cat corpses’. I was out of there in an hour, and spent years calling the ASPCA, who would go and see exactly what I just described, but it took about 15 years to put her out of business–because she and all the cats were finally found dead and rotting. One of the freakiest things I’ve ever seen–all those poorly-fed cats staring at you, and here and there a dead one on a stairway. But that the ASPCA was another example of one of these agencies that found ‘deplorable conditions’, but did not themselves get her out. I sent them there several times.

    In the mid-90s, the huge house was up for sale–to potential residents–but I had these friends from Monaco who looked at it and said it still stank to high heaven. Nightmare scenario that place was.

    She was also a ‘behavioural psychiatrist’ and actually had ‘patients’.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  82. anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco

    I don’t think that’s coming from vegetarian diets (which are followed by less than 4% of the population). Are Jains crazy people?

    Are Jains crazy people? I would not only say yes, but also not very successful in an evolutionary sense.

    While less than 4% of the general population, your figure, are classifiable as vegitarian/vegan, I would say that a disproportionate number of them are upper class, liberal and female. That is Dr Ede’s observation as well. Also, what percentage of this population are attending the elite private colleges? Journalism Schools?

    Also there is a well documented mass switch in the general population’s diet in the last 45 years from a relatively high animal fat/ moderate carbohydrate diet to a very low animal fat/high carbohydrate/high vegetable fat diet.

    If you watch Dr Ede’s videos and podcasts, she is proposing that there is a clear link between the consumption of nutrient dense animal fats and protein and improved mental and cognitive health. Not to mention proper sex hormones levels for both men and women. They don’t call them Soy Boys for no reason.

    Thank Sen George McGovern for starting this radical and increasing trend in government nutritional policy which became significantly worse during both the Clinton and Obama administrations.

  83. @Art Deco

    My wager would be that the narcissism in a function of (1) small families and (2) cloying excess of parental attention and (3) a secular decline in the willingness of parents and school officials to speak with asperity to the young and (4) an increased propensity to subscribe to the services of mental health tradesmen, which generates iatrogenic problems.

    Basically agree.

    But i’d note the macro trends as well:

    1) More women (girls), so more emotionalism, less rationality.

    2) Delayed marriage/family formation, child bearing. Child rearing is when people take on the real responsibilities of life and tend to get a little more realistic about … everything–working, neighborhoods, schooling, crime, taxes, genetics and nature/nurture.

    Then the over-arching deal. We’re now into generations that grew up with minoritarianism the official national ideology. When i was a (Catholic) school kid in the 60s, we got lessons on “prejudice” but there was no bad mouthing about US history, denigrating our founding and legitimacy–quite the reverse–much less denunciations of white gentiles as evil racists. With late GenX and Millenials you get people who’ve been spoon fed the Jewish minoritarian narrative since birth–parents, education system, news media and especially Hollyweird.

    Bottom line:
    — If you want rationality and sanity, your best bet is an older–married with children–white guy who has been around the block a few times and is a *realist*.
    — If you want emotionalism and craziness, your best bet is an unmarried, childless young woman straight from minoritarian indoctrination.

    Compared to a generation back our media now have a lot fewer of the former and lot more of the later.

  84. @Jack D

    This is much too neat and easy of a solution. It smells of quackishness. Given those vegans a nice juicy steak and our problems will be over.

    Ok, you say it smells of quackishness.

    But what of the testimonials of thousands of ex-vegans, vegetarian and very low fat/high carb dieters who claim that their lives greatly improved when they began consuming a high animal fat/protein diet.

    Check out this ex-vegan’s youtube channel for a start

    https://www.youtube.com/user/sv3rige/videos

    It also features dozens of videos of celebrity vegan/vegetarians and their obvious rapid health declines and aging.

    Find the video of Steve’s sweetheart Alicia Sliverstone. To see what she looks like today is heartbreaking.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  85. Kronos says:
    @photondancer

    Maybe ‘the princess and the pea’ was their favorite fairy tale when they were children.

    Keep in mind many of them were forced fed refined biker meth since the age of five. This was especially true in elite groups when Ritalin (or more likely something like high-end Vyvanse) was prescribed like candy. I’m still waiting for the “Dreamland” book equivalent for the ADHD craze to come out. But that might dwell into issues of using drugs to bolster low to moderate IQ students and that’s a sticky issue for the publisher. But both elite and non-elite Millennials have been continuously medicated over the years. I’m surprised the majority still possesses functional livers at this point.

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  86. Kronos says:
    @Ano

    Yeah, it’ll certainly be a weird time to wake up from a coma. (Or something like it.)

    How do you explain the last 22 years to someone who got conked in the head and has been asleep since the Clinton–Lewinsky scandal?

  87. @TelfoedJohn

    Eating a bleeding heart gives you strength – you have to do it to be a respected grown up in many tribal societies. This practice indicates a kind of belonging. Anything goes. We witness the epoch of regressive modernity.

  88. Lace says:
    @Elmer T. Jones

    Those with ‘my therapist’ want it known very quickly to anyone, as if it were something to be particularly proud of. They can be useful in numerous ways, but this ‘delicate, sensitive’ type I’ve run into has claimed to be going to ‘my therapist’ to solve certain specific problems. But it often turns into an addiction, which is the kind I think we have in mind here. Everything becomes subsumed to ‘my therapy’, and there’s this kind of ghoulish abstraction of everything. Especially the erotic. The actual carnal reality is no longer there, this kind of person can escape any erotic profundity by making the discussion of ‘the erotic’ a non-sexual thing.

    I know someone who started therapy to help her finish her dissertation when she was in her 30s. She is now 85, never finished it, and Columbia will no longer accept anything she turns in by now (which she won’t.) She wasted many people’s time talking about this dissertation endlessly, but she did not talk of it in art historical terms (which was the subject), but rather in things like “I’m blocking…” or “I can’t write” or “I can’t work”. It wouldn’t have been that important had she finished it 50 years ago.

    But she wasn’t even doing as much as grotesque journalists, who were at least ‘doing bad work’. She just wanted to talk about it (and, incredibly, still does, as if it were still a potential reality), and found her therapist good-looking. I don’t know whether some journalists are so much ‘mentally ill’ as just hacks–grinding the stuff about for pay. All the WaPo columnists do that, and probably most of the reporters.

  89. @Jack D

    My wife specializes in reading disabilities (what is often called dyslexia).

    But ask yourself and your wife why there has there been a multi-fold increase in the diagnosis of dyslexia, ADHD, autism…. in a couple of generations.

    Surely, delayed childbirth points to a possible genetic factor in some cases. Improved diagnosis is another but something else is clearly going on.

    But what if it a combination of other factors as well? Such as compromised immune systems due to relatively recent trends in childbirth (high Cesarean section frequency), deficient breast feeding, improper early childhood nutrition (too low in animal fats, too high in carbs and difficult to digest plant matter) along with the over prescription of antibiotics to both mother and child and a too aggressive vaccination protocol.

    Ask your wife if she has heard of Dr Natasha Campbell-McBride.

    https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/gaps-diet.

    Ok, 15 – 20 years ago Dr Campbell-McBride was routinely attacked as a mad Russian quack, still is. But funny thing is now there are an increasing number of prominent nutrition researchers backing up her claims that compromised gut microbiomes/flora are a significant health issue for adults and especially children.

    Check out Dr Paul Mason on the Low Carb Down Under Youtube channel. Hell lock yourself up for a weekend and watch all the videos on that channel, especially the ones by Gary Taubes, Nina Teicholz, Dr Robert Lustig.

    You will come away understanding that our government has pushed the absolute worst nutritional advice quackery down our throats for the last 50-60 years and we are paying for it big time.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  90. peterike says:

    Speaking of journalists losing their mind…

  91. Stupidity is not a mental disorder. It is how their mentality is ordered.

    Also if the job market for journos hadn’t tanked they might not be so miserable. The weird thing is if you go back to early 2016 the media managers were defending their wall-to-wall coverage of the Donald by saying it was good for business!

  92. guest says:
    @Franz

    Hey, buddy, I can see joking about nuns’ marriage prospects. But sex lives? Those are cheap. A woman can just lay on the ground and wait for men to stumble on top of them. So to speak.

  93. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    Skip the pedantry. Is what I said true or not?

    Here are some past prime ministers of Jamaica:

    There are a few who others who appear to be mainly African but not many. Even the ones who don’t look African at all were in fact of mixed race (or at least claimed to be). Most Jamaicans are at least a little bit mixed but these men clearly had less African ancestry than the average Jamaican.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  94. guest says:
    @RichardTaylor

    While there was active repression in the time period you mention, rest assured the Establishment was unhinged already. There was plenty of open worry about the Phantom Menace of white consciousness and gas chambers on the horizon in the 90s. See the reaction to the Bell Curve. There’s a perpetual, ongoing Brown Scare, don’t you know?

    The “something brewing they didn’t understand” may have been different . Because holocaustianity propaganda wasn’t working as well and Negro Fatigue had set in hard after Trayvon Martin and other fiascos. The Late Obama Age was a time of abundant material for the Race Realists. But do you honestly think they recognized it for what it would lead to? Seriously. They’re not that perceptive. They lash out at all diversions from the Narrative, great and small. They don’t know which are which.

    This is substantiated by the fact that they didn’t see Trump coming. They were laughing at him after he came down the escalator. Clinton was doing victory laps in the summer of 2016. And as illustration of just what I’m talking about, in a major speech she barely bothered with Trump but instead went after Pepe the Frog. For the simple reason that she didn’t take it seriously.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  95. bomag says:
    @lavoisier

    I remember reading somewhere that school teachers suffer much higher rates of dementia than other occupations with similar level of education. I question whether this affliction is a reflection of all the lies they must imbibe on a regular basis to remain employed as a school teacher.

    Interesting.

    Maybe school teachers and reporters take themselves too seriously. I’d say bureaucrats and lawyers have to deal with more “marginal interpretations of events”, but they see it as gamesmanship and are better able to keep a personal distance.

  96. guest says:
    @Anon

    Holy baloney, you’ve solved one of the great mysteries! Where might I purchase your bestseller?

    • Replies: @Anon
  97. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    Skip the pedantry. Is what I said true or not?

    You’d get a sense if it were true from a rather involved study. Which you won’t do or read with any care. Here’s some descriptive statistics:

    caymens 80.00 43800
    british virgins 23.00 42300
    us virgins 24.00 36050
    puerto rico 87.60 34998
    bahamas 9.40 33808
    martinique 100.00 30056
    aruba 85.00 27169
    turks and caicos 13.00 27055
    guadeloupe 90.00 26098
    trinidad 64.70 25964
    st kitts – nevis 7.50 21028
    french guiana 63.00 20139
    dominican republic 84.00 18783
    antigua and barbuda 9.00 18655
    grenada 20.00 16454
    suriname 100.00 14605
    barbados 9.00 14568
    st lucia 14.30 13708
    st vincent 34.00 12268
    dominica 13.40 12083
    cuba 90.70 11900
    jamaica 7.90 10221
    guyana 70.70 10105
    montserrat 11.60 8500
    belize 100.00 5695
    haiti 5.00 1728

    The number in the column on the left is the % of the population which is non-black (mulatto, mestizo, East Indian, Amerindian, &c). The number on the right is the most recent assessment of gross domestic product per capita (PPP) by the International Monetary Fund (with the World Bank and the CIA contributing a few data points). The list is sorted in descending order by income levels. You can plug it in a spreadsheet yourself. It generates a scatter plot through which you’d be hard put to toss a regression line. Which doesn’t prove anything, but does suggest that you have more than one vector at work influencing outcomes. The quality of the political order varies a great deal; Cuba, however, is the only one without any competitive electoral politics.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Lace
  98. @photondancer

    I once, out of curiosity, attended a Labour Party local meeting, here in the UK. Most of it was taken up by various broken people calling for more funding for mental health facilities. Despite the left’s disdain for competition, I sensed a very real competitive zeal to be the most mentally ill.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  99. @AnotherDad

    One major bit of vegetarian propaganda is that Hindu Brahmin and Hindus in general are vegan/vegetarians in the strict western sense. Instead those that can afford to at least consume milk, butter, ghee, cheese and eggs. Those on the coasts try to consume lots of fish, chicken for those inland. Also high quality tropical fats like coconut, and palm oils, demonized in the west, are part of the diet. India is also a major producer of avocados though I believe this a major export crop.

    Still this is diet low in red meat and liver, the most nutrient dense of animal foods. Meanwhile a diet rich in substitute legumes and lentils may provide plant protein but at the risk of exposure to too high levels of anti-nutrients.

    Increasingly, despite being thin or because they struggle storing excess processed carbs as fat, India has a rapidly exploding rate of diabetes, in fact higher than the USA. Problem is India is a poor over populated country and subsidized carbs/sugars are cheap.

    This is not a diet that as Steve would point out that is going to win lots of Olympic gold medals or World Cups but it is no where as bat guano crazy as western style/Jain vegan/vegetarianism

  100. Nobody’s any crazier than they used to be. Not even journalists. They are just being paid to TELL people that everything is crazier.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  101. Anon[240] • Disclaimer says:

    A famous Brandeis dissent opines that government is the omnipresent teacher, setting an example to all for good or for bad. I believe that the new omnipresent teachers are the media, and that the media’s inversion of reality, logic, and morality has set an example. I myself resist this; for example, my choice would be to live in Norway rather than Haiti. Unfortunately, this resistance has made me an outcast among family and friends.

  102. @Jack D

    Yeah, it’s certainly a weird problem.

    I would think it’s not nutrition. I come from a large family, and two of my brothers (but not me, my sisters, or the other brother) were severely dyslexic as schoolchildren. I mean, they could barely read at all. This is in a house crammed with books, and parents who worshiped literacy. Teachers thought they were borderline retarded, but anyone who knew them in person could tell this wasn’t so (one was a mechanical wiz-kid, the other was an ace hockey player and a slick social operator). I was a bookish nerd and I ate all the same stuff they did, so I think nutrition is ruled out.

    Years of private tutoring didn’t help. Mysteriously in adolescence, they both just sort of aged out of it, became normally proficient readers, and before long the garage-mechanic brother was giving me lectures on Christopher Marlowe.

    I have no idea what happened, the whole thing remains a mystery. I wish Mrs. D much good fortune in solving this riddle.

  103. Anonymous[255] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    Re: Jim Belushi

    Attending mostly peaceful riots, arson and looting is, I suppose, one way to jumpstart a dead acting career.

    Which again begs the layman’s question: Is Belushi just a stupid piece of shit, or a stupid piece of shit who is also suffering from Trump-induced mental illness?

    How can we tell the difference, and… do we need to?

    I would say not, since Jim Belushi, minus the anxiety-driven pathology, is inherently, and historically, in business and his personal life, a stupid piece of shit.

    Btw, just to share a final observation, Jack Black is the representation of what everyone imagined John Belushi’s little brother would be like: Kind of funny, in a way reminiscent of his older more talented brother, but never as funny as his older brother.

    In an equitable world, Jack Black should have been John Belushi’s younger brother.

    Jim Belushi’s comedic ability is lowbrow at best, of an inherent technical nature, and unlike his older brother, has zero to do with innate talent. He has based his entire life and limited “success” on the social capital of his dead brother, who he didn’t even know that well. He must realize that.

    That alone cannot portend well for long-term mental health.

  104. @peterike

    Take the time to research Jeffery Toobin’s absolute sexual degenerate lifestyle for the last 25 years. He had a number of issues with female staff at CNN over a decade ago that got covered up. It was long before the Me-Too movement. I am surprised he lasted this long, but then again he is a highly connected member of the tribe and part of the journalist aristocracy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Toobin#Early_life

    Toobin was born to a Jewish family[4] in New York City in 1960,[5] the son of Marlene Sanders, former ABC News and CBS News correspondent, and Jerome Toobin, a news broadcasting producer.[6]

    As far as Toobin’s sexual escapades try this for a start.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Toobin#Personal_life

    Toobin had a longtime off and on extramarital affair with attorney Casey Greenfield.[22] She is the daughter of American television journalist and author Jeff Greenfield and the ex-wife of screenwriter Matt Manfredi.[23] They had a child in 2009, which Toobin initially resisted acknowledging.[21][24] Ultimately, Toobin’s paternity was confirmed with a DNA test and separately, a Manhattan Family Court judge ordered Toobin to pay child support.[22]

    This is a highly cleaned up wiki entry. If I remember right Toobin got a major tongue lashing by the judge for being a sleaze and contempt of court issues that never got the attention they deserved. It should have killed his on air career permanently but instead CNN just kept him on in a behind the camera role.

    Also, the Toobin’s wiki says nothing about his major role in the Duke Lacrosse Rape case fiasco that was a huge early blow to CNN’s reputation. CNN had Lou Dobbs come on air and help salvage Toobin’s career avoiding a huge lawsuit because I believe Dobbs personally knew some of the falsely accused and remained the sole voice of reason at CNN. A few years later Toobin paid Dobbs back by leading the charge at CNN to have him fired.

  105. @TelfoedJohn

    I sensed a very real competitive zeal to be the most mentally ill.

    Fascinating comment–how do you have an intelligent conversation about public policy with mentally ill people? Yikes!

  106. peterike says:
    @Jack D

    My wife specializes in reading disabilities (what is often called dyslexia).

    Many reading disabilities are caused by improperly teaching children how to read. I don’t know how prevalent it is anymore, but “whole word” language instruction was a gigantic crock of garbage that was very prominent in education. You know, getting rid of phonics and teaching children to read the entire word rather than “sound it out.”

    In other words, teaching a phonetic language (English) as if it were an idiographic language (Chinese). Crackpottery, yet it was widely used. You can see how it easily leads to “dyslexia” if you are taught to simply remember that the word “train” is “train.” What difference does it make if you see it as “trani” or “tarin”. It’s just a bunch of letters. The sequence doesn’t really help you read the word. And you can essentially never read a word you haven’t been made to memorize.

    Decades back I read a book on this which claimed that “dyslexia” effectively didn’t exist until such whole word teaching methods were adopted, and then it exploded.

  107. Jack D says:
    @Lace

    House cats are basically slightly less wild versions of wild cats but not really that different (and they quickly revert to being feral if not imprinted on humans at a young age). Dogs have undergone thousands of years of selective breeding that physically and behaviorally separates them from wolves. And the point of all of this breeding was to make them more capable of living comfortably alongside humans and in many cases of accomplishing some task that was useful to humans in some specific way. There is nothing like that for cats – no cat breeds that are used to herd sheep or to retrieve game, etc. Cats are useful for catching mice (which they would like to do on their own anyway) and that’s about it.

    • Replies: @Lace
  108. Mr. Anon says:
    @dfordoom

    Remember, the reason America could put a man on the moon in the 1960s is that the scientists and engineers could handle the stresses because they had whiskey and cigarettes to unwind.

    Tobacco, being a stimulant, focusses the mind. It increases productivity enormously, mental productivity anyway. Shame about the emphysema and lung cancer. We may be better off without smoking, but we lost something too.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  109. Mr. Anon says:
    @peterike

    They used to be called “Talking Heads” when they appeared on TV.

    “Talking Dicks” suits a lot of them, like Toobin, much better.

  110. Jack D says:
    @anonymous-antimarxist

    I am not saying that their physical health would not be improved by a diet that includes animal fats and proteins in moderation. It is very difficult to get all the nutrients you need on a strictly vegan diet year after year. You might be able to do it for a couple of years but eventually it is going to take a toll, especially if you do not make a strong and dedicated effort to achieving a balanced diet, one which involves more effort than most vegans are willing or capable of exerting and if you do make that effort then you are going to spend a lot more of your time obsessing over food than necessary when you could just be eating some eggs for breakfast and be done with it. (OTOH, an ovo-lacto-vegetarian diet is just fine – animal fats and proteins from eggs and dairy products are little different than animal protein from meat.) I am saying that it would not change their mental health.

    • Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist
  111. Jack D says:
    @anonymous-antimarxist

    Both of my children were not breastfed and consumed soy based formula from birth because they were not tolerant of dairy. In retrospect, I don’t think that this was really a good idea (although it was really only a few months before they started eating other food) but they were both extremely early readers, as in they were reading fluently around age 3. They were very lucky in that they were living with a master reading teacher (I joke that my wife could teach our dog to read) but apparently the soybean stuff didn’t mess with their reading ability (nor were they autistic, did they have ADHD, etc.)

    I would say that the #1 factor in dyslexia from what I have seen from my wife’s work is that we expect everyone nowadays to perform at a college level, especially if they are from a middle class or above family (in my township 99% of the HS grads attend college). Some people are just not college material. In the old days you would accept that some people were just not cut out for this reading stuff and you would leave them alone if it didn’t “take” but now we insist that all the children be above average and they torture those kids to read instead of letting them become artists or musicians or potters or something that plays to their natural strengths.

    Humans are not evolved to read – it is a sort of parlor trick that we cobbled together based upon a number of different skills that evolved for completely different reasons and not everyone can pull off the sleight of hand that is needed to link all of these skills together and pull off this trick.

    • Agree: S. Anonyia
    • Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist
  112. @dfordoom

    …journalists in the past used to have fewer mental health problems.

    You mean “reporters”.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  113. anon[169] • Disclaimer says:

    The people in my office in Seattle first showed their evangelical political fervor when O’bama was elected in 2008. The entire office assembled in the large conference room to watch O’bama’s inaugural address. Our office staff were ecstatic and reverential listening to him speak. They cheered when he was sworn in.
    In 2016 when Trump won people in the office were openly sick. Many called in sick after the election. People were despondent, angry, pensive. The reaction had an air of a woman’s temper tantrum and brooding.
    Today they wear tin foil hats and obsess over secret Russian agents colluding with bad orange hair man.
    I work in Finance counting the money. Just watching the wheels go round and round.

  114. @Jack D

    Piss on Barbara Kruger. Lorraine Schleter (a.k.a. Figment Forms) is a hugely talented artist working right now. She does a web comis strip called A Tale of Two Rulers (I help support her on Patreon).
    https://figmentforms.tumblr.com/

  115. pirelli says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    Love this joke, and I’m going to use it. Journalists for publications like the NYTimes and WaPo really are given an impossible assignment these days: to go out and report on a reality that does not exist. In this alternate reality, minorities face enormous obstacles to being admitted to elite institutions of higher ed, obstacles to achieving academic success once they’re there, and obstacles to being hired by sexy companies like Google when they graduate. In reality of course, the bar for admission to all of these institutions is far lower for non-Asian minorities. Same dynamic applies with women in the tech industry (and many other industries I’m sure). Companies are desperate to hire them but are constantly being castigated by the press for their supposedly sexist culture. It would truly be stressful (for anyone other than a Walter Duranty-type sociopath, and most journalists, I believe, aren’t that) to continually have to report on a world that, maddeningly, refuses to manifest before your eyes. I really do think that’s part of what we’re seeing here.

  116. @Kronos

    At various times throughout my adolescence, I was on Luvox, Prozac, Risperdal, and/or Zoloft. I never took Ritalin, although I knew plenty of people who did. (My official diagnosis was “obsessive-compulsive disorder,” for whatever it’s worth.) My mother kept dragging me to psychiatrists, insisting that there was something grievously wrong with me.

    Seems a bit excessive, don’t you think? I mean, do I seem that crazy to you?

    (On second thought, don’t answer that. :D)

    Shortly after I started taking the drugs around the age of 13/14 – I don’t even remember which one I took first – I ballooned up to three hundred pounds and developed a horrendous acne problem. My face looked like something out of a horror movie and my back was totally covered with huge, festering, pus- and blood-spewing boils.

    The latter problem was solved by Accutane. (Yes, we’ve all heard the horror stories, but it worked wonders for me.)

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @Kronos
  117. @AnotherDad

    “(Maybe it’s ok if you’re a Hindu Brahmin and your particular micro-caste has been veggie for a couple thousand years.) ”

    Veganism is UNKNOWN in India. Everyone uses dairy – and ghee – which is one of the cores of a paleo diet.

  118. Anon7 says:

    Or is the Great Awokening the mental health crisis?

    It’s like how the “news” causes division, rather than just reporting on it.

  119. @Jack D

    (OTOH, an ovo-lacto-vegetarian diet is just fine – animal fats and proteins from eggs and dairy products are little different than animal protein from meat.)

    Can you “survive” on an ovo-lacto-vegetarian diet. Certainly. But to truly thrive to your maximum mental and physical potential you need nutrient dense animal fats and protein. Humans are obligate carnivores.

    For adults, milk, because of the lactose and casein protein, and eggs (or at least egg whites) are not ideal nutritional sources. For adults the healthiest part of milk is the fat ie: cream, butter, ghee. For eggs, it is the yolks. Besides pasteurized milk lacks the microbiome benefits of unpasteurized whole milk or cultured kefir. Too much processed milk and egg white can cause digestion problems for ovo-lacto vegan/vegetarians so if there are problems they will need a break. Substituting plant based proteins(legumes and lentels) and fats can only make matters worse because of their high anti-nutrient content. Meanwhile skim and low fat milk are the equivalent of soda pop.

    All vegans/vegetarians and even ovo-lactos will need some level of supplementation to remain healthy over long periods of time. The diets are simply not nutrient dense or complete enough. If problems develop you will need either animal derived supplements or animal foods.

    For a really good presentation of the most “bang for the bite” foods see this presentation. Spoiler Alert, liver is the superfood of superfoods. Below is a “What Should We Eat” presentation sponsored by Crossfit.

    Dr. Zoë Harcombe on the Mess: The Money vs. the Evidence

  120. Anonymous[255] • Disclaimer says:

    Looks like mentally ill Jeffery Toobin has Louis CK’ed himself out of a job.

  121. Redman says:

    Sort of OT: A leftist friend sent me this Atlantic piece about a documentary being made about Lauren Southern and other “alt-right” bete noires. She wanted to show me how bad my neighbor Gavin McInnes is, since I frequently defend him.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/10/alt-right-star-racist-propagandist-has-no-regrets/616725/

    It appears the Atlantic is the producer of this guy’s documentary as well. (Isn’t this Lady Jobs’s owned journal). Hard to keep track of all the precise sources are of the billions of limousine liberal money flowing into the coffers of organizations trying to destroy America for the benefit of the “globalist gods” who plan to take over.

  122. Corvinus says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Um, Trump is the one who is demanding, should he win, a third term. Remember, he doesn’t joke. Furthermore, Trump has stated that if he wins, the election was legitimate, and if he loses, there was massive voter fraud. Would that not be irrationally hostile?

  123. @Jack D

    Both of my children were not breastfed and consumed soy based formula from birth because they were not tolerant of dairy. In retrospect, I don’t think that this was really a good idea (although it was really only a few months before they started eating other food)

    Lack of breastfeeding is only one issue. Obviously breastfeeding is ideal, Dr Robert Lustig sites studies associating it with a 3-5 IQ point difference correlation studies. Besides the ideal nutrition as nature intended, breastfeeding impacts the baby’s immune system and tendencies towards allergies. Another issue is that in the past, milk was not pasteurized so it contained the very bacteria need for digestion.

    Vaginal childbirth vs Cesarean section delivery is a major issue, because natural childbirth is shown to also prime the baby’s immune system and gut microbiome.

    What foods are introduced first is another key issue. Introducing plant fiber and starches too soon before the baby’s gut microbiome has been established seems to be a real issue. Nutrient dense animal foods are a better first step. For example moms use to be told to introduce egg yolks and animal fats to baby formulas or breast milk. Plant foods should be introduced carefully so the gut is not damaged so as to leak toxins into the bloodstream that can impact brain development. More digestible fermented plant foods are preferable to raw. Thankfully today prebiotic and probiotic supplementation is much better understood.

    Glad your kids turned out so well. Obviously there are numerous issues all of which seem to be capable of overcoming if understood and acted on appropriately.

    Look I am no less a race realist, HBD believer than the typical poster here. But something is seriously wrong when so many children of otherwise capable parents are afflicted with developmental disorders that were not common in previous generations.

    Like most cancers, heart disease and diabetes, I believe that ADHD, allergies, dyslexia, autism, and most mental illnesses have a significant metabolic basis and are products of modern life and habits.

    This is an area where nurture/environment plays as important a role as nature.

  124. Muggles says:
    @Jack D

    The vision of our future is not a boot stomping on a face forever, it is a bunch of mulattoes with a couple of aging Boomer white women thrown in for the time being. Younger whites, especially white males, have no greatness at all and have to be written out of the future.

    So, not boots forever stomping on our faces. Just stiletto heels and waffle soled Nikes?

    I’ll take the old Soviet style boots, thank you very much…

  125. Lace says:
    @Jack D

    All true, but people keep dogs as well as cats just for pets–not for being useful. When I was growing up in the Deep South, the cats would just wander up, and sometimes I had a combination of tame and feral cats. We just fed them left-overs The cat I had for many years was a bit feral to begin with, much more than the rest of the litter from which I chose her. That’s why I chose her, to make her even more so. She had lots of personality and beauty, which even super-tough Army men like my colonel brother-in-law (Vietnam) couldn’t keep from noticing–he said “That cat is intelligent!” and he didn’t give a shit about cats. She was fun, lived to be 18. My late brother, a football star when young, was afraid of her, which tickled me to no end. She’d get in the center of the living room and crack her tail like cracking a whip.

    I probably grew to prefer cats for many years, because I had only one dog, and his whole family finally ran off. I don’t like some big dogs, and they can attack their owners as well as criminals–my cousin had to put hers to sleep because hers attacked her at the neck.

    In the 90s, cats were in almost every small shop in New York, for that very purpose you mentioned–catching mice, but it became illegal. Most cats aren’t very ‘social’ with any but their owners, but some are (usually male and ‘streetsmart’ ones.)

    I’ve gotten way to OT.

  126. Muggles says:
    @Known Fact

    I was in print journalism but the feminization is especially dramatic on radio news, where you can actually hear the shrill hysterical edge in the reporter’s voice even when the subject matter — Trump bad or whatever — doesn’t warrant so much emotion.

    Yes, especially NPR “public radio” (i.e. state broadcaster).

    Their late legal reporter Nina Totenburg (sp?) was canonized on-air for some reason, hating most men and supposedly a legal expert. I think she’s now dead. Hope so.

    The few males heard there all sounded gay to me. Lefty inside political baseball buzzwords in every sentence. Etc. The two old mechanic guys who had a pretty good show, from New Hampshire or someplace more or less real, finally retired or died off. Too bad.

    The last drop of testosterone on NPR finally drained out of the mostly dead corpse. Of course I haven’t listened in years. I did delight in their pathetic monthly — so it seemed — fund drives for the suckers.

    In my cruel imagination I saw the now unemployed NPR snivelers hustling for an empty bed at the Salvation Army shelter each night. Real men (and women) don’t do “fund drives.”

    Sometimes we just have to dream the impossible dream…

  127. @a Newsreader

    The mark of a serious journalist is disinterestedness.

    Unfortunately, journalists today don’t know the difference between disinterested and uninterested. They think the former is just a more sophisticated-sounding version of the latter.

  128. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    This is very misleading. You say non-black = mulatto, mestizo, East Indian, Amerindian, &c. This is (by far) not the same thing as being white. Belize, near the bottom, doesn’t have a lot of blacks but neither does it have a lot of white people. Cuba is far from 90% white nowadays. Of course it’s impossible to plot a “black” vs. “non-black” regression because a lot of the people you have counted in the non-black category are little better than blacks.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  129. @photondancer

    ‘…I sometimes wonder if they think being slightly mentally ill makes them more delicate and refined in some way, rather like invalids in Victorian times tottering from bed to fainting couch. Maybe ‘the princess and the pea’ was their favorite fairy tale when they were children…’

    (Quite erroneously) mental illness is equated with intelligence: A Beautiful Mind takes advantage of that.

    But if you are brilliant, where’s that Nobel? The great novel?

    Aha, you’re neurotic in some way. If only…

    I can relate. I’m annoyed at my lack of accomplishments, too.

    The funny thing is, if you really do knuckle down, maybe you’ll find out you’re just not all that good. So it can be safer to just hang back. If only…

  130. Muggles says:
    @Muggles

    Real men (and women) don’t do “fund drives.”

    It wasn’t even a half hour after I posted that when I realized iSteve is conducting his periodic fund drive.

    Oops. Time to ding myself *ding-ding*

    iSteve isn’t a government funded “non profit” pretending to be a neutral, independent reporter. Like “public” TV and radio. He is an individual entrepreneur who depends on the kindness of strangers, so to speak.

    I plan to again contribute and urge others here to do so as well.

    Mea culpa now complete.

  131. Ragno says:

    Perhaps he’s running before-the-fact interference for the next Jeffrey Toobin Incident.

    Toobin – an august, distinguished journalist and Trump basher – was just ‘suspended’ for pulling out his wang and beating off in the middle of a Zoom call.

    CNN refers to it as “accidentally exposing himself”. (But if it was all just a bizarre “accident”, why would a spokesperson for CNN say “Jeff Toobin has asked for some time off while he deals with a personal issue, which we have granted.”?)

    The NYT has upped the charges from an accident to “he reportedly exposed himself.” No further details – of course – except for Toobin’s own, cryptic “I thought I had muted the Zoom video. I thought no one on the Zoom call could see me.” Along with the standard-issue “I apologize to my wife, family, friends and co-workers”, which was doubtless vetted by the legal team before he was allowed to ask anyone’s Official Forgiveness. Which sounds an awful lot like the “accident” was simply getting caught but – all the news that’s fit to print, etc.

    Of course, Fox News described it as “the legal pundit was masturbating during a Zoom call with colleagues.” After which they added,

    The call, which was described as an “election simulation,” featured Toobin’s New Yorker colleagues including Jane Mayer, Masha Gessen, Andrew Marantz, Jelani Cobb, Evan Osnos, Sue Halpern, and Dexter Filkins playing various roles in potential 2020 outcomes including President Trump, Joe Biden, “establishment Republicans,” ‘establishment Democrats,” and “the military.” Toobin was playing “the courts.”

    According to two sources, Toobin was seen masturbating in what was supposed to be a 10-minute “strategy session” along party lines, but that it “seemed like Toobin was on a second video call.”

    “The sources said that when the groups returned from their breakout rooms, Toobin lowered the camera. The people on the call said they could see Toobin touching his penis. Toobin then left the call. Moments later, he called back in, seemingly unaware of what his colleagues had been able to see, and the simulation continued.

    but, before the rest of the MSM could dismiss the reporting as “what can you expect from a tabloid network?”, noting the number of journalists suddenly triggered and feeling unsafe by the revelations, Fox News credited VICE as the source for the more salacious details.

    So I reiterate: Max Fisher was probably just trying to get ahead of the next late-breaking journalist jerking off story before it potentially damaged the next “Giuliani a Chinese space alien” exclusive.

    • Replies: @Lace
  132. dfordoom says: • Website
    @kihowi

    You’re making the mistake again of believing people. Their mental health isn’t suffering, they’re having a grand old time.

    Yes, it’s the cry-bully thing. You pretend that you’ve been bullied when in fact you’re the one doing the bullying. Emotional manipulation and pretending to be victimised is a very effective means of bullying.

  133. dfordoom says: • Website
    @YetAnotherAnon

    We’ve gone from “a civilised society allows free debate, even of unpopular views”

    Was that ever really the case? Back in the 1950s was there a free debate on the merits of communism versus capitalism? Or were communists persecuted for their views in the US? Wasn’t all that House Un-American Activities Committee stuff an attempt to stifle free speech?

    Conservatives can be amazingly hypocritical.

    • Disagree: Ian Smith
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  134. @guest

    There was plenty of open worry about the Phantom Menace of white consciousness and gas chambers on the horizon in the 90s.

    Yes you are right.

    The Late Obama Age was a time of abundant material for the Race Realists. But do you honestly think they recognized it for what it would lead to? Seriously. They’re not that perceptive.

    You’re right they’re not that perceptive, however, I think the immediacy of so many tweets and comments coming from the anonymous masses got in their headspace. They couldn’t localize it in a few boogie men. It felt like something was getting out of hand.

    Clinton was doing victory laps in the summer of 2016. And as illustration of just what I’m talking about, in a major speech she barely bothered with Trump but instead went after Pepe the Frog.

    Oh yes, Pepe! The fact she was more concerned with Pepe than Trump, shows me they were worried the prison population was threatening to break their leash.

  135. dfordoom says: • Website
    @AndrewR

    But I’m confident that the acceleration of the downfall of the United States will turn out to be a good thing in the long term.

    I think we can all agree on that. The problem is that it may take another fifty years to actually collapse. And the US will undoubtedly respond to the accelerating collapse by becoming even more aggressive and by trying to stave off the collapse by starting wars of aggression to destroy its rivals.

    Declining great powers are like wounded beasts. They are very very dangerous. The French and the Austrians saw themselves as declining powers which is why they were keen for war in 1914.

    The difference between 1914 and now is that the US is likely to provoke wars with nuclear powers.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  136. NYT Columnists: Our Journalists Have Sacrificed Their Mental Health

    So have our adult actresses, judging by their hissy fits over SCJ-2-B ACB:

    Porn Stars Are Terrified of Amy Coney Barrett

    Women are so nasty to one another!

  137. @Jack D

    Jack, my daughter deals with dyslexic children. In a conversation with the mother of a dyslexic child the mother said she had started giving her child Tums antacid because that cured dyslexia. The mother apparently read it online.

  138. Journalists and negroes seem perpetually tired nowadays. They should get more iron in their diets.

  139. @Muggles

    Nina Totenburg (sp?) …. I think she’s now dead. Hope so.

    Too mean to die. Of course my source is Alexa so these days who knows… 🙂

  140. SFG says:
    @Smithie

    Does the body rule the liver or does the liver rule the body?

    The mind is the functioning of the brain, which is an organ in the body. It gives commands to the muscles, but is affected by the functioning of just about every organ. They feed back on each other.

  141. SFG says:
    @photondancer

    That’s what I always figured; like dfordoom says, it was like being ‘consumptive’ in Victorian times which in some circles meant you were sensitive and artistic. (Of course there is nothing romantic about tuberculosis…but it did hit a lot of artists in the 19th century, which is why it played such a big role in La Boheme, which Rent updated with AIDS.)

    As early as the 70s there was Woody Allen with his psychoanalysis. The whole thing was a weird affectation of the Manhattan elite which never got too far in that time period. Sadly, this is not the case anymore.

  142. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    …journalists in the past used to have fewer mental health problems.

    You mean “reporters”.

    Yep.

  143. @John Johnson

    I don’t think there are serious professional journalists. Anyone that works for the MSM has to be intellectually dishonest on a daily basis and they know it.

    They don’t know it, and they don’t believe it. In any enterprise, those wrestling with cognitive dissonance will always be filtered out over time, and replaced with True Believers. It’s easier for everyone that way, and it’s how corruption takes over entire institutions.

    • Agree: black sea
  144. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Stan Adams

    At various times throughout my adolescence, I was on Luvox, Prozac, Risperdal, and/or Zoloft. I never took Ritalin, although I knew plenty of people who did. (My official diagnosis was “obsessive-compulsive disorder,” for whatever it’s worth.) My mother kept dragging me to psychiatrists, insisting that there was something grievously wrong with me.

    Seems a bit excessive, don’t you think?

    Antidepressants can have drastic side-effects. For one thing they can kill your sex drive stone dead. Which could explain Crazy Cat Lady Syndrome. They can also totally deaden you emotionally. Which might also explain Crazy Cat Lady Syndrome.

    • Replies: @Lace
  145. Lagertha says:

    these people are all angry, anti-Trump small-dick guys, married to women they have children with, but don’t wanna f*ck, and, regret being stuck in a loveless marriage. They wish they were single because of all the exciting shit that is happening, right now, in the streets with people who are 10-20 years younger than they are.

    Getting old sucks, and it is literally, sucky, for people who compromised… or went along with society of their ethnic group. Freeedom is awesome…and the free know it. I am such a freedom loving person!

  146. Lagertha says:

    what is so missing from the Covid 9 months is the season of romance, love. Teenagers have missed proms, homecomings, graduations, fall dances….senior nights!

    I ran into a teenager tonight, a senior – I know his parents. This is for all the teenagers and college students; Don’t despair :

  147. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Mr. Anon

    Tobacco, being a stimulant, focusses the mind. It increases productivity enormously, mental productivity anyway. Shame about the emphysema and lung cancer. We may be better off without smoking, but we lost something too.

    Yep. We’ve suffered a major loss in intellectual productivity.

    If only there was a way people could get the nicotine without having to smoke tobacco! Imagine a science fiction world in which nicotine could be added to chewing gum, or you could just stick a patch on your skin and get the nicotine that way. Or inhale it as a vapour through a little gizmo. People could get all the benefits of nicotine without the risks.

  148. Mr. Anon says:

    If only there was a way people could get the nicotine without having to smoke tobacco! Imagine a science fiction world in which nicotine could be added to chewing gum, or you could just stick a patch on your skin and get the nicotine that way. Or inhale it as a vapour through a little gizmo. People could get all the benefits of nicotine without the risks.

    Nicorette just isn’t the same as smoking. There’s something about actually smoking that’s incredibly stimulating, and oddly often calming at the same time.

    I never tried vaping as it always looked douchey to me. So I just had to quit.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  149. AndrewR says:
    @dfordoom

    Indeed, but hopefully we can learn from history. We have no other options, because decline is baked into the cake at this point.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  150. Kronos says:
    @Stan Adams

    The extraordinary level of symptom variance people can have with psychiatric drugs is mind boggling. I bummed a Vyvanse pill off a friend in College once and it felt kinda nice (with the exception of the diarrhea.) But the fact that such stuff is dotted out to young children and not just college students is an alarming issue.

  151. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    This is very misleading. You say non-black = mulatto, mestizo, East Indian, Amerindian, &c. This is (by far) not the same thing as being white.

    You said the Caribbean functions consequent to it having a ‘mulatto ruling class’. Your parameter, not mine. You got a complaint, address it to the chap you see in the mirror while you’re shaving.

  152. @neutral

    “The question is how they managed to take over corporations, government, the media with their mental illness?”

    Indeed! I find this most perplexing. In the future there will be entire fields of study devoted to answering this question.

  153. Lace says:
    @dfordoom

    Welbutrin does not reduce your energy nor sex drive, it may be unique that way. It even can After decades avoiding all antidressants, and only went to 2 phychiatrists 4 or 5 times each my entire life. I decided I didn’t need them, at least, and I got tired of their act to get the money. By 2012, I decided to give it a try, and first used Zoloft–for a week, because it took away all libido, which also meant more or less all energy period. Threw it down the toilet. I also tried Welbutrin at the time due to friends talking about its benefits. I couldn’t afford it then (even generic Bupropion), but by 2017, I really did need something given things that were going on (it’s not always purely clinical that may make you need one), and did start using Bupropion regularly. It’s marvelous, and it doesn’t ‘cut off’ parts of your sensibility at all, just neatens up some things that you thought would always come under the general category of *dread*. Some people take it in conjunction with other ADP’s like Prozac, but I didn’t need anything else. I was much more productive and still am.

    But it’s the only one I know of that does not zombify you, suddenly slows chaotic thoughts down enough so that you can r Ae-arrange them and make things actually work, and has the secondary property of making smoking undesirable. I still smoked if I was also drinking with someone, but now I don’t ever even think about them (I didn’t know about this at first, but it’s well-known that it does that for smoking.) I enjoyed cigarettes smoked lightly (and I always could go days without them–and didn’t find that they helped with any kind of mental focus, etc, instead were for parties, dinners in homes, only when you did not need to concentrate), and will again if the time comes once in a while. I like not smoking because it makes the mouth feel sort of dirty–I don’t care about the other smells personally, on clothes, and I don’t care if others near me smoke.

    But most of them DO reduce libido to almost nothing. This was unbearable, but I don’t know the others which do that–probably most of them. Welbutrin surprised me and is excellent, especially since I always thought using any ADP was ‘not being strong enough’, but that sort of thing is nonsense. I’ve read and talked to many Welbutrin users IRL and on the net, and they’ve found the same thing, but I had to ask for it, and my GP gave it to me immediately. It worked. Again, it seems to ‘restructure’, reshape things which seemed impossibly disorganized so that you can then do them. As for journalists, I don’t have any idea about them, except my brother was one, and he’s now in academia, is not mentally ill, but is politically naive.

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  154. Lace says:
    @Ragno

    I only heard it just as I was going to bed very late and hadn’t looked at the screen for some hours. I thought it hilarious–one of THE voices of the OJ case whom we all listened to for expertise or semblance of it–and his excuses of how ‘I didn’t think this’ and ‘I didn’t think that..’ were like a 12yo getting caught and trying to ‘explain’. I got caught by my father when I was 14, but he had the class not to say anything, and just ‘fled the scene’.

    Oh, all these wonders of ‘being creative’ in the ZoomPandemic Age. What was he practising for–being the next Weiner? At least he knew nobody’d want to see that from him.

  155. Lace says:
    @Art Deco

    The number in the column on the left is the % of the population which is non-black (mulatto, mestizo, East Indian, Amerindian, &c).

    Everything seems to have changed almost every few years regarding who is black or white. Now so-called POC includes blacks, Hispanics, Indians, etc.

    I was in high school at the tail end of some of the remaining segregation, and everything but blacks were considered ‘non-black’, and you still see on some forms ‘non-Hispanic white’. There was a white high school and a black high school. The black high school was only Negroes. The Hispanics (Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Indians, all Asians of course) may not have been white, but they were all allowed in the white high school, so we thought of them as white.

    However, ALL mulattoes were considered BLACK, not white or non-black. Obama would have been considered black, school-wise.

    Even Haiti has always has had that business elite of nearly 50% (or it was), but who constitute only 2% of the population. I briefly looked this up, but haven’t found how much of this ‘Haitian elite’ is still running business and/or still exists, but these are the Petionville mulattoes who have traditionally been the elites–and Petionville, though immediately adjacent to Port-au-Prince, was hit by the 2010 earthquake but not as hard. Not that Haiti has ever worked well, no matter what more affluent elites were in charge of business and some in government, etc. And the Dominican Republic, on the same island of Santo Domingo, has always been more prosperous. The most touristed Caribbean places are likely the most prosperous, whatever percentage is black–little islands like St. Lucia, for example, and also Barbados. Barbuda was until the hurricane a few years ago. I don’t know how much has been built back. (I don’t pretend to have a full command of all the Caribbean, just here and there, and the US Virgin Islands are probably doing all right, I was at 2 of them years ago.)

  156. @dfordoom

    I guess I was thinking more of the UK, where communism versus capitalism was pretty freely debated, even in the 1950s.

    The communist side had the disadvantage that Stalin’s purges/massacres were just coming to light at the time – not to mention that people got shot for trying to escape the Worker’s Paradise. But they still tried, and there were plenty of young useful idiots to be steered into CND and other front organisations.

  157. Gabe Ruth says:
    @AndrewR

    Trump supporters are more evil than Biden supporters? Maybe you could unpack that for me a bit.

  158. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @guest

    Holy baloney, you’ve solved one of the great mysteries! Where might I purchase your bestseller?

    Philosopher Gilbert Ryle in The Concept of Mind put the final nail in the coffin of Cartesian dualism. Read that book. Steven Pinker mentions it in The Blank Slate:

    A memorable name for this doctrine was given three centuries later by a detractor, the philosopher Gilbert Ryle (1900–1976):

    There is a doctrine about the nature and place of minds which is so prevalent among theorists and even among laymen that it deserves to be described as the official theory. . . . The official doctrine, which hails chiefly from Descartes, is something like this. With the doubtful exception of idiots and infants in arms every human being has both a body and a mind. Some would prefer to say that every human being is both a body and a mind. His body and his mind are ordinarily harnessed together, but after the death of the body his mind may continue to exist and function. Human bodies are in space and are subject to mechanical laws which govern all other bodies in space. . . . But minds are not in space, nor are their operations subject to mechanical laws. . . . . . . Such in outline is the official theory. I shall often speak of it, with deliberate abusiveness, as “the dogma of the Ghost in the Machine.”

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  159. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Mr. Anon

    I never tried vaping as it always looked douchey to me. So I just had to quit.

    I recommend it. It’s not quite as satisfying as smoking but you still get the nicotine hit and it’s a whole lot easier on your lungs.

  160. dfordoom says: • Website
    @AndrewR

    Indeed, but hopefully we can learn from history.

    Who was it who said that the only thing we learn from history is that nobody ever learns from history?

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  161. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Lace

    By 2012, I decided to give it a try, and first used Zoloft–for a week, because it took away all libido, which also meant more or less all energy period. Threw it down the toilet.

    The fact that antidepressants can, and often do, reduce your libido to zero is something that doctors usually do not tell you when they prescribe these drugs. In fact they will often try to convince you that these drugs have no side-effects at all.

    Of course if psychiatrists had to admit that antidepressants have major problems then they’d have to admit that psychiatry really doesn’t have all that much to offer.

    They don’t just eliminate libido – they can also reduce a person’s interest in forming any kind of emotional attachment.

    The worst problem is that doctors will prescribe these drugs to teenagers and those teenagers, with their libidos totally knocked out and their interest in forming emotional bonds reduced, may never learn to form proper relationships with the opposite sex.

  162. Anonymous[259] • Disclaimer says:
    @res

    I’m sure most people were effectively vegetarians before the modern era with its industrialized farming and chemically enhanced abundance. Meat was rare, expensive and eaten infrequently. The average person ate meat maybe once or twice a month. The poor ate none. Only the rich would have eaten it every day, but they were not numerous.

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  163. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    I’m sure most people were effectively vegetarians before the modern era with its industrialized farming and chemically enhanced abundance. Meat was rare, expensive and eaten infrequently. The average person ate meat maybe once or twice a month. The poor ate none. Only the rich would have eaten it every day, but they were not numerous.

    That may be a myth.

    I’ve read books on the Middle Ages that suggest that the rural poor ate a lot of meat. What you’re saying may have been true for the urban poor after the Industrial Revolution.

    I suspect that the amount of meat consumed varied very widely between different societies.

  164. Anonymous[259] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag

    You’re nuts.

  165. Anonymous[259] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterike

    This was part of the postwar reaction against ‘rote learning’. Forcing students to memorize letter sounds or multiplication tables was phased out because it was turning the kids into mindless robots (or even fascists!)

    A cynic would also note that the alternatives to rote learning usually involve less work, for the teacher if not for the students.

  166. @peterike

    Many reading disabilities are caused by improperly teaching children how to read. I don’t know how prevalent it is anymore, but “whole word” language instruction was a gigantic crock of garbage that was very prominent in education. You know, getting rid of phonics and teaching children to read the entire word rather than “sound it out.”

    True. Bigly true.

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