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From the New York Times Magazine:

Today, 1% of the world is a barely livable hot zone.

By 2070, that portion could go up to 19%.

Billions of people call this land home.

Where will they go?

THE GREAT CLIMATE MIGRATION
By Abrahm Lustgarten

This article, the first in a series on global climate migration, is a partnership between ProPublica and The New York Times Magazine, with support from the Pulitzer Center.

… As their land fails them, hundreds of millions of people from Central America to Sudan to the Mekong Delta will be forced to choose between flight or death. The result will almost certainly be the greatest wave of global migration the world has seen.

For most of human history, people have lived within a surprisingly narrow range of temperatures, in the places where the climate supported abundant food production. But as the planet warms, that band is suddenly shifting north. According to a pathbreaking recent study in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, the planet could see a greater temperature increase in the next 50 years than it did in the last 6,000 years combined. By 2070, the kind of extremely hot zones, like in the Sahara, that now cover less than 1 percent of the earth’s land surface could cover nearly a fifth of the land, potentially placing one of every three people alive outside the climate niche where humans have thrived for thousands of years. Many will dig in, suffering through heat, hunger and political chaos, but others will be forced to move on. A 2017 study in Science Advances found that by 2100, temperatures could rise to the point that just going outside for a few hours in some places, including parts of India and Eastern China, “will result in death even for the fittest of humans.”

Death, I tell you, death! Your blood will boil in your veins.

People are already beginning to flee. In Southeast Asia, where increasingly unpredictable monsoon rainfall and drought have made farming more difficult, the World Bank points to more than eight million people who have moved toward the Middle East, Europe and North America. In the African Sahel, millions of rural people have been streaming toward the coasts and the cities amid drought and widespread crop failures. Should the flight away from hot climates reach the scale that current research suggests is likely, it will amount to a vast remapping of the world’s populations.

Migration can bring great opportunity not just to migrants but also to the places they go. As the United States and other parts of the global North face a demographic decline, for instance, an injection of new people into an aging work force could be to everyone’s benefit.

You see, it’s a Win-Win that the average woman in Niger on the southern edge of the Sahara averages 7.0 children:

Think of how they will envibrantize Silicon Valley.

But securing these benefits starts with a choice: Northern nations can relieve pressures on the fastest-warming countries by allowing more migrants to move north across their borders, or they can seal themselves off, trapping hundreds of millions of people in places that are increasingly unlivable. The best outcome requires not only good will and the careful management of turbulent political forces; without preparation and planning, the sweeping scale of change could prove wildly destabilizing. The United Nations and others warn that in the worst case, the governments of the nations most affected by climate change could topple as whole regions devolve into war.

The stark policy choices are already becoming apparent. As refugees stream out of the Middle East and North Africa into Europe and from Central America into the United States, an anti-immigrant backlash has propelled nationalist governments into power around the world. The alternative, driven by a better understanding of how and when people will move, is governments that are actively preparing, both materially and politically, for the greater changes to come.

Lie back, and think of how hot it is in Niger.

Alternatively, we could encourage tropical countries to have fewer babies. But that is unthinkable. The only thinkable alternative is to open our borders to the surplus population of the most backward countries on earth.

Last summer, I went to Central America to learn how people like Jorge will respond to changes in their climates.

And then this article goes on for many, many thousands of words, none of which are “altitude” or “elevation.” The only thing we are allowed to imagine if average temperatures go up is MesoAmericans changing their latitude … but not their altitude.

In reality, most Latin American countries have wide ranges in elevation. This altitude makes much of Latin America vastly more habitable than its latitude suggests at first glance. For example, Mexico City is at 7,300 feet elevation and in the hottest month, May, the average high temperature is 80 F / 27 C. The all-time record high temperature in Mexico City is 93 F. If the world gets a few degrees hotter, it’s not going to make most of Mexico unlivable.

In summary, there is a lot of room in Latin American countries for people to adjust their altitude rather than their latitude.

Other words not mentioned in this endless article: contraception, birth control, etc.

It’s almost as if the whole point is to flood America with the wretched refuse, just like they’ve been telling us.

The good news is that Latin Americans themselves have been waking up to the fact that they shouldn’t have more children than they can afford.

The bad news is that Africans have been much slower to catch on.

 
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  1. BB753 says:

    It’s far more likely that people will freeze to death in 50 years than the whole world south of the Equator will become a vast desert.
    But I guess Open Borders über alles!

  2. Altai says:

    If the world gets a few degrees hotter, it’s not going to make most of Mexico unlivable.

    The issue of global warming isn’t that it makes places hotter in a way that makes human habitation impossible but that it disrupts agriculture, raises sea levels and generally induces ‘push’ factors for out-migration. Once you disrupt a peasant agricultural life in the modern world, it doesn’t just relocate, it often just induces collapse and migration to the cities. And often enough, they decide that Dhaka is weak sauce, if they’re going to leave their village they may as well try for London first.

    The anti-immigration right should fully embrace dealing with global warming and it’s implied limits to capital growth but it won’t do that. The attitude of the right (In the US and to a lesser extent, Canada and Australia) is solipsistic and identical to the attitude to immigration on the left.

    Bangladesh hosts over 100 million people. A huge amount of the currently inhabited territory will begin to fall below sea level. That’s a real problem.

    Instead the argument should simply be, for whatever sins people may imply of the West, they are arguing for a death sentence and for actions which are existentially threatening. The argument should be ended then and there. If they want the West to share some of it’s riches to help the poorer areas, they can have it, if they want the land, the social space and history of the West, that’s an act of war.

    Also, these kinds of articles are helpful, because they openly talk about apocalyptic migrations of peoples that not even the most crazed pro-immigration advocate (Outside those of non-‘core’ or indigenous stock) would ever find palatable and find threatening.

    The right should align with dealing with climate change and stabilisation of borders, peoples and resources. But like with not closing the borders early enough after the outbreak in Italy, there seems to be a strain of libertarian thinking that always ends in self-defeat. The CEO of GS keeps winning, uncle Ted who voted for Ron Paul keeps losing.

    Our society is so addled with a certain way of thinking, crystallised by neoliberalism that we can’t argue outside the confines of a HR manager. Well, Sanjay can do the job of Bob for 70% of the wages, who cares if we’ve offloaded the costs of another human in the country to the rest of society, who cares if Sanjay isn’t as appealing a workmate as Bob or that he is more corrupt. Life, this country, the world is just a giant HR interview.

  3. I can’t decide who’s going to enjoy this article more: TD or Whiskey?

    Abrahm Lustgarten

    At any rate: The NYT is totally trolling us with that name.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  4. Altai says:

    On the topic of West Africa, there is a guy who was so embarrassed by how his country was seen by Westerners and Asians that he makes videos on how amazing Africa is!

    But his videos of the ‘development’ of Africa is often just South American style oligarchy and third world wealth disparity. I don’t think he gets the joke.

    Though on the topic, though poor, West Africa doesn’t seem so bad, seems quite safe. Imagine how’d be with a third of the people.

  5. Don’t bother coming up here, uggo shitholers of the global south.

    We got Big Pumpkin in July, it’s a scorcher.

  6. There is still plenty of room in Siberia, and their chances of dying from heat stroke there can be expected to be slim.

    • Replies: @Cortes
  7. black sea says:

    Given the impending climate catastrophe, everyone should just shift north 5 degrees of latitude.

    Latin America gets the US from the 35th parallel southward. US citizens already acclimatized to hot summers are invited to remain in place and help orient the migrants to their new homes.

    America retains most of California and occupies the lands between the American Middle South and Edmonton, Alberta.

    The Canadians migrate to what by that time will be the temperate lands of Yellowknife, Inukjuak, and the Northwest Territories.

    Happiness prevails.

  8. Sounds like Proceedings of The National Academy of Sciences needs better peer review.

  9. Thea says:
    @Altai

    The best way to cut carbon emissions is expanded nuclear power. Perhaps banning flights altogether as well. But no one will agree to these.

    In one of history bitterest Ironies by the time this was discovered there was no way humans would be able to contain it.

  10. Africans have been much slower to catch on

    No surprises there.

  11. Anonymous[153] • Disclaimer says:

    A 2017 study in Science Advances found that by 2100, temperatures could rise to the point that just going outside for a few hours in some places, including parts of India and Eastern China, “will result in death even for the fittest of humans.”

    Death, I tell you, death! Your blood will boil in your veins.

    I don’t understand this comment by Steve.

    • LOL: bomag
  12. El Dato says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Poor Epstein was really the cutout.

  13. El Dato says:

    Walls work Mr. President. They always have. Stop enriching your friends with gay projects, Mr President, and build that Wall!

  14. @Altai

    Read the comments

    People love the content

    Open borders are inevitable. Only small private parts white “men” are against it

    People who are white will not exist in the future because of mixed race mating

    Get over it

    white girls are attracted to vibrancy

    • Replies: @Altai
  15. megabar says:
    @Altai

    > there is a guy who was so embarrassed by how his country was seen by Westerners and Asians that he makes videos on how amazing Africa is!

    I like this guy. He has pride in his people and homeland.

    > But his videos of the ‘development’ of Africa is often just South American style oligarchy and third world wealth disparity.

    The walls surrounding the mansions are hard to miss.

    I spent a few minutes in Google Maps street view to get a random sample of Ghanaian development, and it’s not impressive. The poor wealth of most of the buildings isn’t shameful — everyone must start somewhere — but the evidence of crime, in the form of walls and barbed wire, is everywhere. Furthermore, the buildings were not only low quality, but in poor repair and generally dirty.

    Presumably, street view is likely to cover the most developed areas; most streets are not available.

    • Replies: @Altai
    , @PiltdownMan
    , @JosephB
  16. Today, 1% of the world is a barely livable hot zone.

    Clearly, the air conditioning works very well in the new NYT tower.

  17. Altai says:
    @megabar

    But he’ll also demand every Western country open it’s borders so his guys can ‘get a better life’ because his country is poor. He only switched gears because he couldn’t maintain his visas in China and other places.

    Crime maybe for the robber baron elite attracting all the burglars and muggers but general street crime is low.

  18. @Mr McKenna

    At any rate: The NYT is totally trolling us with that name.

    More perceptive wags than myself have pointed out such names are intentionally chosen by our Baphomet-worshipping elite as part of the humiliation propaganda.

  19. @black sea

    America retains most of California

    TOO LATE!

    Happiness prevails.

    TOO LATE!

    (Sfx: Tim the Enchanter)

    • LOL: GLT
  20. @Altai

    Every negro I’ve ever heard (and I’ve heard many thousands of them) firmly believes that he’s the very first one ever to tell you what you’ve actually heard a thousand times before.

    You’re supposed to be in awe. But you’re not. And you can get tired of faking. What’s the word? Oh yeah. Fatigue.

  21. Spud Boy says:

    Nuke plants + air conditioning. Problem solved.

  22. David says:

    Carbon-dioxide driven warming is not an issue at lower latitudes because the water vapor there already absorbs the overwhelming amount of infrared light radiating from the earth’s surface. It’s grossly misleading to assign the average global temperature change to the whole globe when, by far, the biggest temperature changes are confined to boreal and polar regions.

    In the tropics, the biggest impact of increased levels of carbon-dioxide is dramatic — around 25% — increases in agricultural yield.

  23. Ian Smith says:

    ‘ The bad news is that Africans have been much slower to catch on.’

    Just about any article comparing the various peopleS of the world could end with that sentence.

  24. bomag says:
    @Altai

    The anti-immigration right should fully embrace dealing with global warming and it’s implied limits to capital growth but it won’t do that.

    Unfair.

    But if things are as apocalyptic as laid out in the article, it is going to be us-vs- them, so why even pretend otherwise?

  25. Anonymous[117] • Disclaimer says:

    Of course, the ‘upside’ of a ‘hotter south’ is never mentioned in these boiler plate doomer and gloomer NYT range and diatribes.
    Put simply, because of the global push to decarbonize, sunshine is a lucrative commodity, the petroleum of our times. Thanks to dirt cheap mass produced Chinese solar panels, simply possessing land with abundant insolation is a licence to print money, with zero effort. The energy hungry North will gladly buy every last Watt to keep their cars, trucks and other geegaws going, and keep you in food into the bargain.
    All the sun people need to do is to sit down stay put and sit on their asses. Foreign engineers could do the rest.

  26. Anonymous[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai

    The White Man’s Grave.

  27. TWS says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    One extra hour, wow. So two whole hours? Why all the precautions, her suicide will be soon anyway?

  28. bomag says:
    @Altai

    Though on the topic, though poor, West Africa doesn’t seem so bad

    Every immigrant I’ve met and interacted with in some significant way has insisted that the home country is as good or better than the US in every way except for job/welfare prospects. Plenty have returned home.

    It is our media’s penchant for shameless Narrative building that casts the third world as unlivable shitholes.

    • Replies: @GLT
  29. TWS says:
    @Altai

    During warming periods agriculture expands not shifts North.

    None of the previous warmer periods lacked for agriculture.

  30. If the NYT really believes that only “1% of the world is a barely livable hot zone”, they need to get out more. In reality vast portions of the the earth are very hot. They are also inhabited. Not by me or by anyone at the NYT, but by people who are long acclimatized to it. That the NYT believes that anywhere that doesn’t resemble the climate of New York or a place NYT journalists might holiday is “uninhabitable” is simply NYT solipsism on display. Billions of people live in climates that I and NYT journalists would consider “barely livable”. They do fine there. So fine, many of them are reproducing like crazy.

    Like almost everything the NYT publishes, this new series is founded on false premises.

    For most of human history, people have lived within a surprisingly narrow range of temperatures

    More false premises…

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks, mike99588
    • Replies: @BB753
    , @Buffalo Joe
  31. @black sea

    Most of the observed global warming has occurred in the northern hemisphere. and the observed warming is higher the further you get from the equator. Canada has warmed more than the US and the United States warmed more than Mexico. To escape global warming people would be migrating from Canada to Mexico and Central America. Northern Europeans would be migrating into Africa to escape the warming.

  32. @black sea

    tfw your comment thread joke makes more sense than 99% of what the Global Warmists propose.

  33. Anonymous[272] • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t see anything to worry about re overpopulation in Africa. All these population projections are based on mathematical models and as your genius commenters keep explaining, mathematical models don’t work. And Bill Gates is engaging in a conspiracy to depopulate the world for some reason, that’s the real problem.

    #DropTable2020 #WeNeedMoreJobsNotMoreWars

  34. Incredibly (or perhaps not), the article admits several paragraphs in that according to the model used, only a relatively small part of the migration wave is attributable to climate change, now or in the future. So the entire framing is a red herring.

    • Replies: @mike99588
  35. I’m waiting for the first Congress critter to pass a bill restricting immigration to theUSA only to countries whose greenhouse gas emissions per capita are higher than ours. That way we can be sure that immigration will drive LOWER carbon emissions. It would mean a lot of Saudis come here, if they wanted.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
  36. @Altai

    Once you disrupt a peasant agricultural life in the modern world, it doesn’t just relocate, it often just induces collapse and migration to the cities. And often enough, they decide that Dhaka is weak sauce, if they’re going to leave their village they may as well try for London first.

    Your Legoland worldview doesn’t sync with reality.

    Firstly most of the people who travel thousands of kilometers to Europe, pay trafficking gangs to cross the Mediterranean plus speak basic English aren’t your average dirt poor Bangladeshis.

    Secondly too many people are doing farming i.e 42,7% of the labor force because Bangladesh is underdeveloped as an economy. Contrast that figure to just 4,8% for industrialized South Korea with an estimated fertility rate of 1,29 kids per woman. For Bangladesh it is at 2,11 per woman. Mali in West Africa with 80% of the labor force engaged in farming is even higher at 5,72 kids.

    To his credit Macron did express concerns over third world population growth but he was labeled a racist. Personally I think he should have just talked to the leaders in private about birth control. It just needs political will.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  37. Speed-dating, Wodaabe-style! Sexually liberated Niger tribe take part in courtship ritual where men dress up and dance to ‘steal’ each other’s women

    Okay, it’s the Daily Mail, but still worth clicking on—to get an idea of the cultural enrichment that awaits us.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  38. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:

    But the climate was always so stable before evil white men meddled with Mother Nature!

    And no mention of the population increases in these benighted nations due to western advances in medicine and agriculture, or of the greening of the Sahel. And no mention of poor land-management policies, corrupt governments, and tribal conflicts.

    And humanity might well be dealing with the Big Chill for the next several decades.

    But never mind all that, we must all agree that priority must be given to the replacement of white populations with Africans and Asians in the 21st century.

  39. @Altai

    According to the narrator, “with $20,000 to $30,000, you can afford to live like a king in Africa.”

    That amount is probably less than the combined governmental and social outlays in the US, direct and indirect, made for the average African-American citizen each year.

    Re-nationalization to Africa appears to be not only humane and popular, it appears to be very, very cheap.

    How ’bout it, Once and Future Kangz?

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    , @Rob McX
  40. @megabar

    I spent a few minutes in Google Maps street view to get a random sample of Ghanaian development, and it’s not impressive

    Okay, but what about Niger?

    Niger is the most amazing country I never expected to visit.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  41. Rob says:

    I thought living with whites in charge is the worst thing that can happen to nonwhites. Isn’t that why colonialism was so wrong? Why are these nonwhite would-be migrants not horrible people for putting their nonwhite descendants under white governments? That should have a name, maybe auto colonialism. Reg, do you have a term?

    Maybe we should rhetorically embrace the skills moving here. We need some legal changes. First, the aliens and their descendants should not be able to vote or count as population for apportionment. If the aliens become citizens, then we lose our countries. Second, a huge influx of non-whites will be disliked many, including a lot of people who would not admit it. But non-whites are not a punishment, right? So we neèd to be allowed to separate ourselves from them and their alien offspring. After all, the amazingness of the aliens will be so obvious that the whites who accept them will be living such kickass lives that recalcitrant whites will beg for their own fuzzy-wuzzies.

    Because the aliens will be a tremendous boon to the economy, Americans can easily be garaunteed cushy positions. We need a freedom dividend paid for by taxing capital to offset both the wild advantaging for of capital relative to labor that the infestation will cause, and the massive increase in demand’ and therefore price, of housing. Not to mention the stress a billion aliens will pu on infrastructure. A couple thousand dollars (in 2020 dollars) a month would go a long way towards compensating us for the dangers of the aliens.

    Finally, has anyone considered the harm a huge invasion will do to the bLACK population? They are concentrated in cities with already stressed infrastructure, crowded schools where they don’t learn anything…Plus, it is hugely insulting to them fôr non-whites to choose to live in white countries. The aliens should have to pay reparations as a condition of invasion.

  42. BB753 says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Anyplace not within commutable distance from Manhattan is simply not livable for the average NYT journalist.

  43. peterike says:

    According to a pathbreaking recent study

    AKA, the latest giant scam based on fake computer models.

    Northern nations can relieve pressures on the fastest-warming countries by allowing more migrants to move north across their borders, or they can seal themselves off, trapping hundreds of millions of people in places that are increasingly unlivable.

    I’ll take “seal themselves off” please.

    BTW, aren’t far Southern nations just as cool as Northern nations? Why is nobody advocating for mass migration to Argentina and South Africa?

  44. As their land fails them, hundreds of millions of people from Central America to Sudan to the Mekong Delta will be forced to choose between flight or death.

    Nice grammar, nyt mag! You can’t choose between one thing.

  45. @Altai

    The right should align with dealing with climate change and stabilisation of borders, peoples and resources.

    What does “align with dealing with climate change” mean? Align with whom? How does one “deal with” climate change in a way that doesn’t destabilize borders?

  46. @Almost Missouri

    Almost, the nyt says that hot weather in NYC is the reason for an up tick in shootings and homicides. So, maybe there will be way fewer people left in NYC and room for all.

  47. @Almost Missouri

    Almost Mo, I am going to move to Africa and live like a king as soon as that Nigerian Prince deposits millions in my bank account. Any day now.

  48. @Altai

    I’m skeptical. Not just of “global warming”, not just of that the few warmth degrees that the most extreme alarmists predict would necessarily be a global catastrophe, but more importantly I’m skeptical that there is some rhetorical compromise with the Left that would be constructive and enduring. All past compromises and truces with the Left have always resulted the truce-line becoming the baseline for the Left’s next offensive.

    Instead the argument should simply be, for whatever sins people may imply of the West, they are arguing for a death sentence and for actions which are existentially threatening. The argument should be ended then and there. If they want the West to share some of it’s riches to help the poorer areas, they can have it, if they want the land, the social space and history of the West, that’s an act of war.

    In this case, the Left will simply accept your confession of “sin” and hold it against you forever. As they are already arguing for death sentences for the West, that will hardly be some kind of moral barrier for them. They will gladly accept your “riches” as an appetizer, and then demand “the land, the social space and history” as the main course. Indeed, they already are, so I’m not making a prediction, merely noting what is already happening. It’s surprising and dismaying you haven’t noticed likewise.

    By all means, we should use their own arguments against them, but every tactical compromise has turned out to be a strategic surrender.

    Advising that this is not the hill to die on has only resulted in the Left owning all the hills. In reality the Left must be opposed always and everywhere with whatever is at hand. It is the only way.

    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
  49. @PiltdownMan

    Pilt, wait, if the racist “Yellow face” I see on that guy? Asian get no respect. Except China is busy grabbing up lots of Africa.

  50. Maybe NYT could first report on why American cities are becoming “barely liveable”

  51. Anon[321] • Disclaimer says:

    It must be nice to be able to propagandize a fiction upon which all further political agenda will be justified.

    The best outcome requires not only good will

    The best propagandist can craft a call to destruction and genocide using two emotionally positive phrases.

    It needn’t be said that anyone with any derivation of the name Abraham is automatically suspect.

  52. J.Ross says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Do the security cameras work?

  53. As I’ve said previously, I think the International Climate Change movement centered in the UN is a politically palatable proxy for a politically unpalatable response to Steve’s Most Important Graph in the World™. This would explain the favoring of haste over deliberation and the silencing of dissent by scientists who work to falsify the hypothesis (you know, do “science”).

    Under current political and cultural conditions, it is anathema to say that we may want fewer future Africans than are currently maximally possible. On the other hand, Western White self-flagellation is a reliably well-conditioned response. Making Western Whites feel guilty for ruining the planet as a pretext to marshal resources to deal with Africa’s exploding population bomb seems like a plausible explanation of these events.

  54. tyrone says:
    @Altai

    American blacks are offered automatic citizenship in Ghana………not to shabby ……..just kidding ( that last part)

  55. @PiltdownMan

    From the article

    Chances are you’ll never get to go to Niger. I never thought I’d get to go there either.

    It’s landlocked and mostly desert. The only non-African cities that offer direct flights are Paris and Istanbul.

    Paris as the former colonial power, Istanbul presumably as the first stop on the “Syrian refugee” train. Most of the “Syrian refugees” arriving from Turkey by boat are sub-Saharans.

  56. Jesse says:

    As someone who firmly believes in the truth of climate change, this makes no sense on its own terms.

    It’s an admission of defeat. “It’s going to happen, White folks, so bend over.” What a serious environmental movement would do is portray climate change as a destroyer of nations and familial bonds. “Sort this out or your nation gets destroyed (either by immigration or emigration)” would be a lot more effective than a political landscape where we get dragged down to Third World status no matter what.

  57. Last time I checked it is one atmosphere. So exactly how does moving north fix things? Sounds more like the chattering class plans on buying a depopulated hemisphere on the cheap. Wonder why? What are their plans for the Northern Hemisphere?

  58. JSM says:
    @Altai

    The right should align with dealing with climate change and stabilisation of borders, peoples and resources.

    Nuclear power! … The left doesn’t like that, either. It’s unsafe, they say, while they refuse to even look at ideas like liquid fluoride-cooled thorium-burning reactor designs, which are walk-away safe.
    Now what?

  59. The closer you get to the equator, the lower the carbon footprint per capita. And the NYT thinks the best way to deal with global climate change is to facilitate the movement of billions of people from the low-carbon footprint south to the high-carbon footprint north?

    If the NYT were actually concerned over climate change, they would be advocating an immediate end to all south-to-north migration–a policy that would avoid transferring sovereignty to global institutions, could be enacted tomorrow and would be a net cost benefit.

  60. Whiskey says: • Website

    Ok, so if we don’t kill most Africans they will move here and make us slaves? Alright then.
    Rwanda away!

  61. So…..if immigration is a good thing….and global warming causes immigration….does that mean global warming is a good thing after all? And that people against global warming are actually racists for being against immigration?

    The life of a middlebrow “public intellectual” must be so confusing…

  62. Do we need any more proof that environmentalism’s chief motivation is not the preservation of the environment but the destruction of white nations? Bringing in millions of 3rd worlders into 1st world countries to consume and pollute at 1st world levels has no benefits beyond undermining and destroying white nations. We’re simultaneously told not to have white children and to bring in immigrants to keep population growth and replace the aging population. “Climate refugees” would make climate change even worse.

    If they were serious about environmentalism then the most immediate tasks would be to stop facilitating population explosion in Africa and to keep as much of the world in pre-industrial poverty as possible. That way their carbon footprint is negligible. But the image of a starving African child is more horrific to an environmentalist than a completely melted Antarctica or vast deserts where farmland once stood.

  63. Altitude, schmaltitude.

    “I am assembling a fighting force of great magnitude. You have my gwatitude.”

    — the funniest movie in history

  64. @Almost Missouri

    “Advising that this is not the hill to die on has only resulted in the Left owning all the hills. In reality the Left must be opposed always and everywhere with whatever is at hand. It is the only way.”

    This is the essential problem. Multiple years of minor concessions to “encourage communication” have only resulted in increasing demands. Each “conservative” leader thinks he is the one who can break this deadlock, and each has been proven wrong. Now Trump, who ran on opposing DACA and deporting them, is talking about compromise on immigration enforcement. Why won’t they ever learn?

  65. @TomSchmidt

    “a bill restricting immigration to the USA only to countries whose greenhouse gas emissions per capita are higher than ours.”

    What we really need is a law against any immigration whatsoever. Of course it won’t happen. Even if the Republicans regain complete control of the government in 2021, the donors will blackmail them into continuing to import millions of cheap labor future Democrats in obvious disregard for their own party’s (and America’s) future. As the wise man said, “We’re doomed!”

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    , @Altai
  66. The morons fail to mention that residents of the US produce 165 times more “climate change” gasses than those of Niger.
    Yup- 165 times.
    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EN.ATM.CO2E.PC

    Belief: Carbon Dioxide produces global warming and the worst affected people are in poor countries
    Belief: The West owes the poor countries
    Belief: Poor people are therefore entitled to move to the West.
    Fact: Moving more people to the West produces more CO2.

    Oh well, warmer it is then.

  67. Rob McX says:

    Migration can bring great opportunity not just to migrants but also to the places they go. As the United States and other parts of the global North face a demographic decline, for instance, an injection of new people into an aging work force could be to everyone’s benefit.

    There’s the moneyshot. Every article on overpopulation leads up to telling us we need to take in more people who’ve turned their own countries into hell-holes and will do the same to ours.

  68. Travis says:

    One of the earliest and consistent predictions of global warming theory is that the polar regions would increase in temperature to a far greater degree than the equatorial regions. Over the period 1975 to 2015 the Arctic region did have a greater temperature increase than the tropical region. The north polar region increased in temperature about 90% more than the tropic region. Most of this warming occurred during the winter months.

    The proxy evidence used in temperature reconstructions shows that there has been no significant changes in temperature from Antarctica to the regions at the equator in the last few centuries. In other words, half the globe has not been following along with the anthropogenic “global” warming narrative.

    Global warming has been a tremendous benefit to humanity , as the result is warmer temps during the cold winter months and little to no change of summer temperatures. This has resulted in longer growing seasons and increased wildlife in the cold northern climates, with no measurable change in the daily high temperatures in the equatorial regions. Climate change has nothing to due with migration from the equatorial regions, as these areas have not warmed over the last hundred years.

  69. Rob McX says:
    @Almost Missouri

    It would always be cheaper to send money to support the Africans in Africa than let them come to white countries, where the cost of living is so much higher. But the whole point is not to help Africans, but to ruin white countries by letting them in.

    As for sending American blacks to Africa, that wouldn’t work out well for them. They’d rapidly find out what it’s like living in a country run entirely by their own kind. Imagine what might happen if you’re caught passing forged currency. Start resisting arrest, and there’s a good chance the cops would stomp you to pulp, and then life would just go on as if you’d never existed.

  70. Gordo says:
    @Rob McX

    It would always be cheaper to send money to support the Africans in Africa than let them come to white countries, where the cost of living is so much higher. But the whole point is not to help Africans, but to ruin white countries by letting them in.

    Totally correct, we are being genocided.

  71. @JohnnyWalker123

    OTH, this may just be a clever establishment strategy to so enrage the other inmates that they will end up shanking this vile bitch.

  72. it’s more than that. a warmer earth does not mean a warmer tropics. that a professional warmist says it does demonstrates he’s stupid or evil.

    a warmer earth is an earth where average temperature drops less with latitude, but where average temperature in the tropics is unchanged.

  73. unit472 says:

    Even if we assume that ‘Climate Change’ is a straightforward linear process it does not mean there will be less inhabitable land. Any fool can look at a globe/map of the earth and realize far more of the earth’s surface lies at extreme northerly and southerly latitudes. If the people of Africa or Central America need a new place to settle and bring their intellectual and physical capital to bear there is Baffin Island, Greenland, Siberia, the North Slope of Alaska, South Georgia and ALL of Antarctica.

    At these latitudes they would enjoy cool summers and and bracing winters. It does not mean they all head to a sweltering New York or London,

  74. Daniel H says:

    As the United States and other parts of the global North face a demographic decline,

    What demographic decline? When has the United States never had a robust year over year population increase?

    As refugees stream out of the Middle East and North Africa into Europe and from Central America into the United States,

    Because Central America is such a bad place to live Costa Rica just put a sign on their gate stating that for the time being they don’t want any more American emigrating to the place.

  75. @Altai

    The right should align with dealing with climate change and stabilisation of borders, peoples and resources.

    Would this include telling Americans to have fewer kids? Raising taxes on gas or other natural resources? More land use restrictions?

    The eco crowd is smarter and less psychopathic than the infowars crowd that Sellout Steve is trying to court. It might be tempting to try to get them on our side. But their basic worldview is wrong. We should want Americans to have more kids, more housing, more forests torn down and replaced by farms and suburbs. That is the true path to human flourishing.

    A man was trying to take a nap in the middle of the day, but he was kept awake by children playing outside his house. He decided to make up a story to get rid of them. He went outside and said to the children, “Why are you playing here? Don’t you know they’re giving away oranges for free on the other side of the village.”

    The children ran off to get their oranges, and the man went back to bed. But he kept tossing and turning, and couldn’t get to sleep. Finally he said to himself, “What am I doing trying to sleep here, when they’re giving away oranges for free on the other side of the village?”

    • Replies: @anon
  76. I remember, back in the 70s US, being lectured by the ‘global cooling experts’ how having less children in the future was absolutely critical in order to avoid the impending ice age which was to take hold by 2010 or so.

    I also recall seeing distended bellies and flies in the eyes of so many starving young African children who, the charities said, were assured a horribly painful slow death without our immediate benevolent interdiction. These pleas have never really ended.

    So how can it be that there are more still-starving Africans than ever before and now we must take them into our homeland to help avoid global warming, currently referred to as climate change for political emasculation of any rational opposition? Won’t their carbon footprint increase tenfold once transferred? Won’t there STILL be yet more starving Africans certain to meet an untimely demise without our continued economic support?

    In the voice of Moe the Stooge “wait a minute, who’s the wise guy? Why I oughtta…..”

  77. @Rob McX

    Imagine what might happen if you’re caught passing forged currency.

    You get reelected in a “landslide”.

    Now even these are being forged!


    Latest on Counterfeit 100 Trillion Notes and Novelties

  78. @JohnnyWalker123

    And if you can’t trust ‘an inmate at a Brooklyn jail’ to give you truthful testimony about polishing the floor, who can you trust?

  79. @JohnnyWalker123

    This favorable treatment of Jizzlane affirms the prediction I made weeks ago: FBI arrested her so she can accuse our President of child rape just ahead of the election. The Democratic Party will admit, sure, Joe Diaper sniffs and fondles little girls, but Trump actually rapes them. Our President is the FBI’s avowed enemy. Fun times ahead.

  80. JosephB says:
    @megabar

    I’m not sure how much a statement the walls are about crime in general vs. petty theft. Having walls around your house (if it’s nice) is fairly common in the developing world. The criminals are often just doing petty theft to feed their families (as per AOC rhetoric, except this time it’s true). In my conversations, I haven’t heard folks worried about forcible home invasions or their women being raped while the men are at work.

  81. Forbes says:

    The all-time record high temperature in Mexico City is 93 F.

    The temperature in NYC for each of the past 7 days has hit 93 degrees. Typical for late July and early August every year. The forecast has temps back into the 80s going forward.

    At altitude, I bet Mexico City is considerably less humid than NYC–making warm temps considerably more bearable in MC.

  82. Dumbo says:

    I’m skeptical of global warming in general, but if women in Niger are having 7 babies each, it doesn’t seem that the situation is too bad yet. Or maybe with all that warming they have to take their clothes more often which leads to more babies etc.

    As the United States and other parts of the global North face a demographic decline,

    Such demographic decline (of people of European origin) was clearly engineered, now they play innocent and tell us that the “only solution” is to import billions of Africans. Yeah right.

    Just notice something interesting: whenever the article is anti-natalist, i.e. a complaint about “too many people”, or some feminist claptrap questioning “whether women should necessarily be mothers”, it will be illustrated by white babies or white women.

    When the article is pro-natalist, it will be illustrated by non-white children.

    It is that obvious.

  83. @Rob McX

    Imagine what might happen if you’re caught passing forged currency. Start resisting arrest, and there’s a good chance the cops would stomp you to pulp,

    Heck, I’ve seen South African cops do this to some dolt that rushed the field during a soccer game in Cape Town.

  84. anon[296] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alexander Turok

    Would this include telling Americans to have fewer kids?

    The US total fertility rate was near 2.1 back in the 1970’s. Zero Population Growth was achieved with no gooberment intervention. All population growth in the US for the last 40 + years has been due to immigration. That is why all US social elites are totally for open borders, by the way, because population replacement of literate, competent European descended people with 3rd worlders makes oligarchy much easier to maintain. No matter what the climate does, mass migration from Africa and South America to the US is always, always, always part of some “solution”.

    Oh, yes…was there some sort of point you were trying to make? Aside from demonstrating your innumeracy yet again, I can’t see one.

    • Replies: @Alexander Turok
  85. the average woman in Niger on the southern edge of the Sahara averages 7.0 children

    Niger, please.

  86. notsaying says:

    The best outcome requires not only good will and the careful management of turbulent political forces; without preparation and planning, the sweeping scale of change could prove wildly destabilizing.

    No mention is made of the biggest task and challenge of inviting climate refugees here for the indefinite future. That would be convincing Americans to sacrifice to offer a place in America to other people.

    First World immigration has been a question of sacrifice without sacrifice — a process of taking in people in which no mention is made of the negative consequences. But now we don’t need unskilled labor, middle class jobs are disappearing and our own college grads can’t afford their student loans with jobs that don’t require college degrees as we give away college-level jobs to temporary work visa holders.

    So a mass migration of climate refugees — in addition to the continued mass migration of poor people — will finally expose the fact that we can only allow even higher amounts of mass migration by agreeing to a much lower of standard of living for ourselves. If predicted climate change happens it will cause the First World to struggle to keep up current standards of living for most people as it is.

    Are Americans going to agree to sacrifice themselves at the required level for people from other places?

    What is really needed is a push to have population growth reversed to population stabilization and then population reduction around the world to prevent further climate change. The New York Times should have written about that. Africa’s population projections are a nightmare and yet nobody talks about that.

  87. Yngvar says:

    Lee Kuan Yew, credited Carrier for his tiny city state’s prosperity:
    Singapore’s founding father thought air conditioning was the secret to his country’s success.

    I’ve heard the US south is unlivable part of the year. Still produce a lot of produce I’ve heard. Livability might not have nothing to do with climate, I’m thinking.

  88. @Joseph Doaks

    Well, I just assume that no one is going to cut off immigration. But if tied to climate change, where accepting immigrants means lowering climate emissions, you’d have a hard time getting the climate left to oppose it.

  89. mike99588 says:
    @Hereward the Woke

    The Mekong River is drying up because China is hogging it all, building dams upstream, and extorting some of the SE Asia/So China Sea countries downstream.

    Let’s hope CCP drowns in its water warrior politics this year…

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  90. The modern gold rush is in urban capital. Third World migrants make inner city slum investments into cash machines, as they hand over their welfare on rent day for sub-standard apartments.

    You don’t even have to wait for it to become mortgage-free, because sometimes the tenants burn it to the ground. Insurance Pay Day!

    Big money speculators can almost never lose when they partner up with refugee and immigrant settlement services.

  91. Altai says:
    @Verity Rube

    It’s very popular, except every time it’s been put to a vote, been polled or anyone has ever had to live with the consequences.

  92. Altai says:
    @Joseph Doaks

    That’s close to a proxy for my preferred immigration policy (Outside as small as possible), only have immigration from countries less ethnocentric than your own.

  93. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    A fighting force of extwaordinawy maganatude (sic) !!!!
    Yes!!!
    Catholic High School Girls In Trouble!!
    Don ‘No Soul’ Simmons !!! ( a young David Allen Grier)
    Good stuff thanks for that

  94. anon[370] • Disclaimer says:

    But if tied to climate change, where accepting immigrants means lowering climate emissions,

    Duh, accepting climate invaders increases the dreaded dioxide of carbon. If greenies could string two thoughts together in a sequence, they would be totally opposed to migration, but muh LEGUL POT … what were we saying again?

  95. @Amerimutt Golems

    Mali enjoys a level of industrialization such that having a large family is the equivalent of having your own John Deere factory.

  96. @Diversity Inclusion Equality Youth Team

    — These are lost, hopeless men, who don’t know where they are, and don’t care. And over here in this other cell, are lost, hopeless men who don’t know where they are, but DO care. And over here, we have lost, hopeless men, who know where they are, and don’t care, but they don’t drink.

    — Wait a second, I am a lost hopeless man, and I don’t care where I am, but I do drink.

    — You morons! Get him out of the cell of lost, hopeless men who don’t drink, and put him in the cell of men who DO drink! And GIVE HIM A DRINK!!

    — What do you drink?

    — I don’t care.

    ….Now that’s Termite Terrace-quality insanity. And also an accurate description of the FUSA.

  97. anon[120] • Disclaimer says:

    an injection of new people into an aging work force could be to everyone’s benefit.

    Pretty brave of the NYT to bring Rotherham into the discussion.

  98. @mike99588

    Let’s hope CCP drowns in its water warrior politics this year…

    The collapse of the Three Gorges Dam is not unlikely, and it would surely remove the Mandate of Heaven from the CCP gangsters. The downside is that tens of millions of people would die.

  99. Anonymous[195] • Disclaimer says:

    Even if global warming was a real problem, everyone knows Italy and Greece has better climate than UK and Sweden with its long dark winter. Then, how come Third World migrants go past southern European nations(with nice weather) and head for UK or Sweden?

  100. Harold says:

    Everyone needs to remember the gumball speech.
    I have found it to be effective.

  101. Cato says:

    Last summer, I went to Central America to learn how people like Jorge will respond to changes in their climates.

    I’m sick of people like this pendejo. Trot off to someplace where they don’t even speak the language well, let alone know anything about how all the various groupings regard each other, and then they report back to us about what they have learned, as if it has any concordance with reality.

  102. Anon[278] • Disclaimer says:

    ((( Abrahm Lustgarten )))

    As always.

    Meanwhile, Bill Gates is still throwing billions at Africa and India to make sure all their 10 or 14 babies per woman survive to adulthood, so they can grow up to invade Europe and North America, to all eternity.

  103. Alden says:

    This is just a reprint of the same global warming garbage of 1980. In 1980, the glaciers would have melted by 2020 and ocean coasts would be moved inland 100 miles. Britain Ireland and Japan would be under water except for a few Japanese mountains.

    Endangered species will die off. Billions of humans will of famine.

    Same old same old. Same template, just change the dates

  104. anonymous[347] • Disclaimer says:

    There are only 4 European countries that are 4% or more black: France, UK, Holland, and Sweden. It will take 20 years for the black population in each of these countries to double. You’re really exaggerating the demographic threat.

  105. … for instance, an injection of new people into an aging work force could be to everyone’s benefit.

    I’m sure that is what will be going through my head as the imported third-world “care givers” abuse me and then suffocate me in the old folks care home.

    • Replies: @Cortes
  106. Cortes says:
    @The Alarmist

    The abuse may include undue pressure to disclose financial details and even enable stripping accounts.

  107. GLT says:
    @bomag

    Visit the Third World some time. You’ll change your tune.

    This is not to say we should continue importing their populations

    Quite the contrary

  108. Rerun

    U.N. Predicts Disaster if Global Warming Not Checked
    UNITED NATIONS (AP) _ A senior U.N. environmental official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000.

    Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of ″eco- refugees,′ ′ threatening political chaos, said Noel Brown, director of the New York office of the U.N. Environment Program, or UNEP.

    Coastal regions will be inundated; one-sixth of Bangladesh could be flooded, displacing a fourth of its 90 million people.

  109. Scoff now if you will, but in 2070 you will marvel at Alaska’s booming piñata industry.

  110. @anon

    Everyone knows the agenda is there.

    Whether you get my point is not important, it is directed to the intelligent 1/4th of this comment section, not the Clevons.

    • Replies: @anon
  111. Rob McX says:

    Remember: If immigration isn’t the solution, it’s not a real problem.

  112. anon[141] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alexander Turok

    Everyone knows the agenda is there.

    What agenda? Spell it out in a couple of sentences of clear, standard English, dude. If you can.

    Whether you get my point is not important, it is directed to the intelligent 1/4th of this comment section, not the Clevons.

    First you want Americans to have fewer children but obviously don’t know what TFR is or what American TFR has been for the last 40 years, next you moan about farmland and forests in an ignorant manner, then you tell some irrelevant old man story. Finally you’re triggered and get snotty when obvious, Wiki-level errors of fact are pointed out.

    Frankly, I can’t tell if you are narcissistic or autistic. Maybe both?

    But for sure you are both ignorant and innumerate.

    HINT: Did you figure out yet why doctors need to learn math?

    Lol! Keep the entertainment coming!

    • Replies: @Alexander Turok
  113. @JohnnyWalker123

    Do the cleaners have the keys to her floor too?

  114. @anon

    First you want Americans to have fewer children

    I said Americans should have more children, nimrod.

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