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The New York Times is agog that Hollywood in 2017 is daring to challenge the societal taboo against action movies in which beautiful actresses who subsist on celery beat up hordes of beefy stuntmen.

Women Who Have the Chops (and the Punches and the Kicks)
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By JULIE BLOOM MAY 5, 2017

Speeding car chases, heart-stopping hand-to-hand combat, bodies left for dead on the pavement, a backdrop of international espionage. The director David Leitch’s latest film has all the elements of a Jason Bourne or James Bond blockbuster — except for one major difference. It’s a woman throwing the punches.

In “Atomic Blonde,” Charlize Theron takes on the biggest action role for a woman on screen to date. …

“It felt very provocative,” Ms. Theron said, “and yet there was nothing about this role that felt like I was outside of my skin.”

Mr. Leitch explained: “I wanted to approach it like you would a movie with any other male action character. So there’s no distinction.” He added, “We don’t apologize for anything we’re doing, and we don’t give explanations for anything we’re doing.”

Still, Ms. Theron said these roles don’t come often enough. “I don’t think we’ve ever given women a fair shot to really have the opportunities to take on roles like these,” she said, citing Ms. Weaver’s as a big inspiration for her “Mad Max” performance. “I remember seeing her when I was young, and it really left an impression on me. She’s incredible. Linda Hamilton in ‘Terminator.’ Scarlett Johansson right now. Tons more women could be amazing if they just had the opportunity.”

Other female action heroes agree. Along with Ms. Theron, we talked to several stars who helped push the genre forward about how action roles have changed for women, how much thought goes into why they throw a punch and what it means for all viewers, and especially young girls, to see a woman kicking ass onscreen.

 
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  1. I don’t know how this actually empowers them, in the real world most women will not be able to do what these movies are trying to portray. If anything, this could get more women harmed because there might be a few foolish enough to think they can take on a man in a fight instead of when the sensible thing is to run.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @neutral

    Exactly.

    Mrs Calvinist and I used this local Hong Kong news story as an object lesson for our teenage daughter of this ridiculous and dangerous fiction.

    In short, a young woman was coming home late at night on Hong Kong's MTR, its subway system. Just outside a station a man robbed her of her mobile phone. The girl decided to chase after the perp, who was lying in wait for her. He grabbed her, tied her up for hours, and raped her.

    Hong Kong is one of the world's safest cities, so many people here don't have much fear of street crime. And one does wonder how many movies and TV shows today's girls have watched in which they're assured that they can kick the ass of any man, just so long as he's clearly marked as evil.

    , @2Mintzin1
    @neutral

    Pretty much. The more realistic purpose of martial arts training for women is to get away from the attacker and not be wrestled down...although one student at my old martial arts school in Denton, a senior at Texas Women's University, was able to give her attacker a pretty good pasting before police arrived.
    Didn't hurt that she held a brown belt in hapkido (sp.?), and was an athletic 135 lbs. or so.

    The fellow apparently did not have a weapon, and I'm going to guess that he may have had a few drinks. Even so...

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @neutral

    I wonder if it unconsciously led this woman to play tug-of-war over her handbag with a mugger.
    https://twitter.com/Gavin_McInnes/status/861012916560121856

    , @Lovernios X
    @neutral

    Most men in the real world cannot do what the male action heroes do. The amount of physical damage done to a human body in these films, the beatings, the falls, the gunshots, the knife wounds would be fatal in most cases. I always get a kick (get it?) out of the hero being unable to fight back until he is almost beaten to death. Then he calls up his reserve and thrashes the villain.

    All you have to do is watch boxing or MMA to see what really happens when you get punched square in the face: you go down. And that's with padded gloves.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    , @Corvinus
    @neutral

    "If anything, this could get more women harmed because there might be a few foolish enough to think they can take on a man in a fight instead of when the sensible thing is to run."

    Relax, it's only a movie. Most women who watch "GRRL POWR" films realize that the story and action sequences are escapist fare and that they lack the muscle mass, fighting techniques, and training to mimic the characters.

    Replies: @EriK, @SteveRogers42

    , @SteveRogers42
    @neutral

    Moldylocks, wearing sap gloves, had bragged about "taking Nazi scalps" until...

    http://imgur.com/Nx68Dgq

    http://imgur.com/dRqelV4

    I'm sure that "You-go-grrrlll" fantasies were playing in her head right up until the moment that an object exactly the shape and size of a male fist intruded into her safe space.

  2. Theron is probably thinking of Terminator 2, since in the original Terminator she’s a (believable) damsel in distress who gets rescued by a man, as opposed to an implausible action heroine who helps tip the scales in a fight between two killer robots.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Patrick Sullivan

    Steroids are a hell of a drug.

    Replies: @JW Bell

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Patrick Sullivan

    I may not be remembering all of T2, but even in that movie, I don't recall her being a butt-kicking action hero so much as a woman driven to the edge of sanity by an obsession with becoming strong. As you say, in T1, she was a believable damsel, but even in T2 I remember her character as much more plausible than latter-day heroines.

    The thing about her in T2 as well as the Weaver character in the Alien movies is that they appear to be vulnerable and distressed and win through perseverance.

    All action movies are implausible when the action is considered as action. What gives them a veneer of plausibility is the psychology of the character revealed through the action. That's why Roger Moore's 007 was a joke compared to Sean Connery's, and it's why vulnerable yet tough performances like Terminator or Alien are more effective than modern "I'm a man" female action roles.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @guest, @SteveRogers42

  3. Ms. Theron was an action figure in “Mad Max, Fury Road.” and handicapped too. Amazed that her arm grew back, must be stem cell research. Hollywood is so far ahead of the rest of us.

  4. Theron already had a strong emowering role about a woman physically dominating men. All that her real-life character had to do to extinguish six men’s lives was whip out a gun and execute them.

  5. Because there just aren’t any movies/TV targeting women…

  6. When I was a kid I saw “The Warriors” and I wondered why tough guys were being played by skinny actors who looked like they spent most of their time doing heroin in the back of a disco.

    Then again pretty much no one is physically capable of doing in real life most of what happens in an action movie.

    Is it a big deal to parents of girls that they not have violent heroes to emulate? Wonder Woman might be. Though it also might suck

    • Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist
    @Erik L

    When I was a kid I saw “The Warriors” and I wondered why tough guys were being played by skinny actors who looked like they spent most of their time doing heroin in the back of a disco.

    True, but people were just thinner in general until the 80's. I was recently looking at pictures of Bronx street gangs from the early '70's- and almost everyone was lean. What's notable is how a big part of the scene was scaling high fences and fire escapes- and it was important to literally patrol turf all day long on foot. They must have burnt calories continuously. A far cry from the cruise-and-chill gangstas of today.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anon, @Mr. Anon, @David Davenport, @Pericles, @Flip

    , @C. Van Carter
    @Erik L

    Scroll down:

    http://www.vintag.es/2014/02/new-york-city-of-1975.html

    Replies: @Erik L

    , @FPD72
    @Erik L

    When I saw "The Warriors" I thought the most unrealistic aspect of the film was racially mixed gangs. I had no idea that gangs had embraced "diversity is our strength" ahead of the rest of our society.

    Who knew that gangs were so progressive?

  7. In “Atomic Blonde,” Charlize Theron takes on the biggest action role for a woman on screen to date

    As big a role as the Grrl Power Retcon Squad?

    • Replies: @Old fogey
    @snorlax

    Wow, congratulations on getting the weirdo name spelled correctly. I had to use google to find out if indeed that was the correct spelling. Whatever happened to naming girls something sensible, such as "Mary?"

  8. Has Ms. Theron already forgotten starring in Aeon Flux (2005)?

  9. Jessica Lynch, who acquitted herself with well below average distinction in a firefight for her life, will probably not be asked to review it.

    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
    @Farenheit

    The Ballad of Jessica (tm)

    Produced by the United States Army
    Division of Recruiting.

    Rotten Apples gave it 4 apples.
    Viewers gave it ZERO.

  10. Perhaps the Chinese will pay to see it.

  11. Tuna Power!

  12. Still, Ms. Theron said these roles don’t come often enough. “I don’t think we’ve ever given women a fair shot to really have the opportunities to take on roles like these,” she said, citing Ms. Weaver’s as a big inspiration for her “Mad Max” performance. “I remember seeing her when I was young, and it really left an impression on me. She’s incredible. Linda Hamilton in ‘Terminator.’

    And yet the actions scenes featuring Ripley and Sarah Connor seem restrained and realistic when compared to what we see these days….And James Cameron also presented their acts of violence in the context of motherhood…..Which makes the violence psychologically credible, as even the most gentle and pacific of women can be roused to great acts of violence in defense of their children…

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @syonredux


    And James Cameron also presented their acts of violence in the context of motherhood…..Which makes the violence psychologically credible, as even the most gentle and pacific of women can be roused to great acts of violence in defense of their children…
     
    Fortunately we're much more enlightened these days. We know that nothing is more oppressive than motherhood and nothing is more empowering than mindless violence.
  13. I submit the following for your consideration:

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Stan Adams

    Much better is

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2Jj56YHp3qI

    Skip to 1:39 for the punchline...

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Stan Adams

    That is painful.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

  14. “Moviemaking is so male-dominated now that they think they’re being pro-feminine when they have women punching each other out.” – Pauline Kael (1919-2001) movie critic, in interview with Susan Goodman, Modern Maturity (March/April 1998).

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Njguy73

    I was watching an episode of "The Blacklist" on Netflix, based on a friend's recommendation, and 10-15 minutes into the episode, the female lead (Megan Bone, playing an FBI profiler) has an all-out fist-fighting brawl with another woman. You'd have thought it was a Matt Damon fight scene from the Bourne franchise. I turned it off. Suspension of disbelief has its limits.

    , @Anon
    @Njguy73

    People instinctively tend to think women are ghetto and low-class when they get in physical fights, because those are the type of women who get into physical fights in real life. Higher-class women don't get into physical altercations because 1) They can control themselves, and 2) They normally live in an environment that's nowhere near as dangerous as a ghetto.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

  15. Reading this kind of sludge increases my respect for Sicario:

    You’ve said you couldn’t sleep for four days after you shot a particular scene in the film. I’m curious which scene it was.

    Emily Blunt:It was the massive fight scene with Jon Bernthal. He’s a boxer, so he was like, “Just smack me. I’m fine. I’m not even gonna feel it.” I mean, we kicked the shit out of each other. I think it was just that feeling of being overpowered by a guy. I’d never experienced that before. But I really like that you don’t have this sort of cheesy action sequence where I’m kicking someone’s ass who could blatantly overpower me any day of the week. So that scene was quite jarring. Every time I went to bed, I couldn’t sleep.

    http://www.gq.com/story/emily-blunt-sicario-interview

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @syonredux

    It surprises me to see Emily Blunt admit that. Based on how women are portrayed in TV and movies, I think the average woman believes she could beat up the average man if only she had the proper training.

    Replies: @inertial, @Anonymous

    , @Yak-15
    @syonredux

    Where is Whiskey to chime in on this one about alpha dominance and vagina tingles keeping her up?

    , @Jack D
    @syonredux

    "I mean, we kicked the shit out of each other."

    Translated this means "I punched the guy and my stunt double received all of the punches from him."

    , @PiltdownMan
    @syonredux

    Emily Blunt, to her credit, made the point repeatedly in the publicity interviews when the movie was released. Here she is, talking about how women would be completely "overpowered" by men, who are much larger than they are.

    https://youtu.be/zrwWqq7gb5c?t=41s

    , @jimbojones
    @syonredux

    Sicario was a fantastic movie. I think Emily Blunt was the top actress back in 2014-2015, Sicario and Edge of Tomorrow were two of the best movies Hollywood released over the last decade. Tried to watch Blunt's latest movie where she is on the train and couldn't stand more than 20 min.

    Replies: @jim jones

  16. @Patrick Sullivan
    Theron is probably thinking of Terminator 2, since in the original Terminator she's a (believable) damsel in distress who gets rescued by a man, as opposed to an implausible action heroine who helps tip the scales in a fight between two killer robots.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Chrisnonymous

    Steroids are a hell of a drug.

    • Replies: @JW Bell
    @Steve Sailer

    She was dumb before the roids.

  17. HBD Guy says:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/05/the_new_york_times_and_upper_west_side_segregation.html

    May 8, 2017
    The New York Times and Upper West Side Segregation
    By Robert Weissberg

    Of all of the taboo topics in today’s political landscape, absolutely nothing is more fraught with danger than race. Recall the old joke about how people dance at a nudist camp — carefully, very carefully. Everything from vocabulary to tone of voice must be carefully calculated and the slightest mistake can be career-ending.

    A complex etiquette per se is not, however, the problem. Civil society would collapse if everybody spoke bluntly. The question is whether taboos blind us from serious problems that demand forthright, honest discussion.

    A perfect illustration of how the race taboo undermines honest discussions of serious social problems can be found in recent New York Times articles (and here) about redrawing school district lines in Manhattan’s über-liberal Upper West Side. These articles abound in euphemisms and omissions guaranteed to obscure awkward truths.

    Manhattan’s Upper West Side is home to a multitude of affluent white liberals and large numbers of poor blacks and Hispanics residing in public housing. Some schools, all overwhelmingly white, excel academically. Not surprisingly, “white” schools in this neighborhood have long waiting lists for prospective enrollees. But, often only a few blocks away, are schools with large poor black and Hispanic enrollments plagued by fights (often involving weapons), classroom disorder, and appalling academic outcomes. The polite nonracial euphemism for these schools might be “schools with low test scores.”

    [MORE]

    For those with school-age children who strongly care about their education, school district demarcations are vital. Having one’s offspring attend a stellar grade-school with bright classmates is seen as the first step to admission to an elite college. Equally crucial is safety — not even the most rabid Bernie Sanders fans would risk their children’s well-being, including the danger of acquiring bad habits (drug use, thievery, a penchant for violence, a rotten work ethic and similar underclass inclinations). As one education-minded parent said about these “diverse” schools, “My husband and I support public school education but not at the expense of our children’s educational and physical well-being,”

    There are also major financial costs for parents in a lousy school district. For apartment owners, residing in a “bad school” attendance zone can substantially reduce the value of one’s residence, while the private school alternative can cost upward of $30,000 per child each year. If a private school is unaffordable, the remaining option is relocating to the suburbs, hardly appetizing to many Upper West Side liberals.

    Now, what happens when a Department of Education bureaucrat announces that junior may be bounced from his nearly all-white (and often-overcrowded) high-test score school, and instead sent to the nearby “diverse” school that, say the bureaucrats, offers junior a chance to benefit from diversity since “studies show” that such a racial/ethnic mixture is essential mastering today’s multicultural world?

    Ironically, these well-educated, affluent “good thinking” Manhattan (white) residents now confront the same tribulations faced by down-market white Southerners over court-ordered integration post Brown v. Board of Education(1954). But, unlike these bigoted Rednecks, white liberal New Yorkers, aided by the racially hypersensitive New York Times, need not block the doorway of junior top-flight nearly all white school and shout, “Segregation today, segregation tomorrow….” while the federal government orders the New York City’s police to forcibly enroll residents of nearby public housing as junior’s classmates. These white liberals are expert at walking on eggshells (I’m not a racist but….”) and playing politics to keep their kids in white schools; there is even a website on how to game the system.

    As one follows the Times’ accounts of school attendance zone wars, one can only recall the nudist camp joke — be careful — and, no doubt, few Times’ readers will notice the glaring omissions from these stories. While the newspaper identifies multiple underperforming largely African American and Hispanic schools, the problems that plague them are handled with kid gloves. A naive Times reader would surmise that the roots of the city’s segregated school system reside in white resistance to the benefits of diversity, or an unfamiliarity with thewonderful programs at largely black schools. Off the agenda is the possibility that affluent white “resisters” are behaving rationally — accurately perceiving unspeakable situations when it comes to their children’s well-being. To be impolite, these liberals are secret race-realists not fooled by experts touting the alleged benefits of diversity.

    Why the Times eschews honestly depicting these disastrous “diverse” schools, is uncertain, but let me speculate. The silence reflects three PC Principles: First, “Thou Shall Not Criticize Black and Hispanic Educators No Matter How Bad their Performance;” second, one way or another, the educational deficiencies of blacks and Hispanics are all traceable to whites, so if whites would sent their smart kids to majority black schools, test results for everybody would soar; and third, calling attention to the black and Hispanic students themselves as the source of school shortcomings stigmatizes them, lowers their self-esteem and unfairly blames them for conditions over which they have no control, for example, institutional racism, underfunding, low expectations, and on and on.

    To appreciate the harm inflicted by the truth-avoiding Times, imagine an alternative non-taboo universe. Here the Times’ headline might be “Concerned White Parents Resist Sending their Children to Dreadful Unsafe Largely Minority Schools.” The article would detail the education-killing chaos of these minority-majority schools and the inability of their staffs, many of whom are African American or Hispanic, to impose a modicum of order and learning. Moreover, the story would continue, these worried (white) taxpaying parents have a right to safe, effective schools, and unless they are provided, many might flee the city, as they did in the 1960s when public education almost collapsed thanks to race-related school violence.

    Going one step further, this honest Times article would acknowledge what happens to other cities, e.g., Detroit, when affluent whites jumped ship rather than enroll junior in violence-ridden schools where, to be coy, nearly all students received free lunches and were staffed by “challenged” teachers.

    In sum, rather than address the real education problem — awful schools dominated by victim-minorities — the Times turns out story after story about how affluent whites scheme to keep their children out of these “vibrant” schools for largely unmentioned reasons. Nor does the Times examine why teachers and administrators in these appalling schools are incapable of imposing minimal standards of classroom behavior or imparting basic literacy, despite huge budgets and ample staff. After all, past schools, particularly religious ones, with paltry resources accomplished this task.

    But who knows where that opened can of worms will go? Better keep the lid on the can.

    Especially taboo is the suggestion that forcibly ending widespread school segregation might undermine the education of thousands of whites with negligible benefits for blacks and Hispanics — and that these forcefully integrated schools might lower property values (and thus reduce city tax revenue) and drive the middle class to the suburbs. Perhaps frankness about racial segregation might even resurrect the ghost of George Wallace! In the PC world of the New York Times, it is better not to offend certain sensitivities or raise uncomfortable questions than honestly address educational disasters. One can only be reminded of proper Victorians struggling to discuss venereal diseases as if sex never happened.

  18. Haywire (2011) with Gina Carano as black ops super soldier is such a butt-kicking, young-girl empowering movie.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Forbes

    Eh, I dunno. I doubt a lot of young girls saw that movie.

    I just saw it over the weekend, and while I was glancing at the Internet a bit during it, it reminded me of how my sister described an old James Bond movie when we were kids: "No one knows what's going on. They're just waiting to see him get beat up again."

    As far as butt-kicking babes go, Gina Carano, a former MMA star and the daughter of an NFL player, is more plausible than most actresses, but her fight scenes with men were still implausible. She could beat the stuffing out of Scarlett Johansson though.

  19. @syonredux
    Reading this kind of sludge increases my respect for Sicario:


    You’ve said you couldn’t sleep for four days after you shot a particular scene in the film. I’m curious which scene it was.

    Emily Blunt:It was the massive fight scene with Jon Bernthal. He’s a boxer, so he was like, “Just smack me. I’m fine. I’m not even gonna feel it.” I mean, we kicked the shit out of each other. I think it was just that feeling of being overpowered by a guy. I’d never experienced that before. But I really like that you don’t have this sort of cheesy action sequence where I’m kicking someone’s ass who could blatantly overpower me any day of the week. So that scene was quite jarring. Every time I went to bed, I couldn’t sleep.
     
    http://www.gq.com/story/emily-blunt-sicario-interview

    Replies: @Barnard, @Yak-15, @Jack D, @PiltdownMan, @jimbojones

    It surprises me to see Emily Blunt admit that. Based on how women are portrayed in TV and movies, I think the average woman believes she could beat up the average man if only she had the proper training.

    • Replies: @inertial
    @Barnard


    Based on how women are portrayed in TV and movies, I think the average woman believes she could beat up the average man if only she had the proper training.
     
    They might have believed that had they watched this kind of movies. But they don't.
    , @Anonymous
    @Barnard

    Sadly American men are in such bad shape that a well conditioned woman on the right side of the height and bone structure curve probably could defeat them.
    Among physically fit men with reasonable fighting skills and no inhibitions against using them....any female that stands a chance is a freak. In every sense of the word.

  20. @Njguy73
    "Moviemaking is so male-dominated now that they think they’re being pro-feminine when they have women punching each other out." - Pauline Kael (1919-2001) movie critic, in interview with Susan Goodman, Modern Maturity (March/April 1998).

    Replies: @Forbes, @Anon

    I was watching an episode of “The Blacklist” on Netflix, based on a friend’s recommendation, and 10-15 minutes into the episode, the female lead (Megan Bone, playing an FBI profiler) has an all-out fist-fighting brawl with another woman. You’d have thought it was a Matt Damon fight scene from the Bourne franchise. I turned it off. Suspension of disbelief has its limits.

  21. This is the age of unreality.

    Women can beat up men.
    Black people are the top scientists.
    People with same-sex attraction are some huge population.
    Harry Potter can do magic.
    We give up religion because we’re too smart.
    Every criminal, illiterate alien adds to our GDP.
    White people are responsible for all problems.
    Electric cars and wind power will save the environment.
    Nothing happened in history before 1980 except oppression.
    Being aware of racial differences is the greatest sin.

    Remember who was the Father of Lies.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Ben Frank

    Hat-tip to Walter Sobchak at Razib's blog:


    O’Brien silenced him by a movement of his hand. ‘We control matter because we control the mind. Reality is inside the skull. You will learn by degrees, Winston. There is nothing that we could not do. Invisibility, levitation — anything. I could float off this floor like a soap bubble if I wish to. I do not wish to, because the Party does not wish it. You must get rid of those nineteenth-century ideas about the laws of Nature. We make the laws of Nature.’
     
  22. @Patrick Sullivan
    Theron is probably thinking of Terminator 2, since in the original Terminator she's a (believable) damsel in distress who gets rescued by a man, as opposed to an implausible action heroine who helps tip the scales in a fight between two killer robots.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Chrisnonymous

    I may not be remembering all of T2, but even in that movie, I don’t recall her being a butt-kicking action hero so much as a woman driven to the edge of sanity by an obsession with becoming strong. As you say, in T1, she was a believable damsel, but even in T2 I remember her character as much more plausible than latter-day heroines.

    The thing about her in T2 as well as the Weaver character in the Alien movies is that they appear to be vulnerable and distressed and win through perseverance.

    All action movies are implausible when the action is considered as action. What gives them a veneer of plausibility is the psychology of the character revealed through the action. That’s why Roger Moore’s 007 was a joke compared to Sean Connery’s, and it’s why vulnerable yet tough performances like Terminator or Alien are more effective than modern “I’m a man” female action roles.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Chrisnonymous

    Yeah, Linda Hamilton in T2 was documentary realism compared today's butt-kicking babe stuff (e.g., ScarJo wisecracking while taking down commandos in Marvel movies). Hamilton did some martial arts stuff in the mental hospital, but mostly she fought with firearms, which is plausible.

    I think the butt-kicking babe genre probably started in earnest with Buffy The Vampire Slayer in the late '90s.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @guest
    @Chrisnonymous

    Don't you remember her escape from the hospital? She takes down several grown men with minimal weaponry. Then let's say the rest is with guns and therefore plausible, though I don't know how many amateur chicks could attempt to assassinate Dyson as well as she did.

    She also gets stabbed in the shoulder and tortured but "takes it like a man," refusing to shout out and recovering enough to go on fighting.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Chrisnonymous, @Stan Adams

    , @SteveRogers42
    @Chrisnonymous

    Upon further review of T2, Linda plays it as close to reality as possible:

    1. She breaks off a piece of mop handle, then ambushes the pudgy perv watchman, slashing down across his right temple/cheek with a full 2-handed stroke, then breaks the stick over the back of his head. It's easier to get knocked out if you don't see it coming.

    2. Then she surprises the next guard and distracts him by throwing keys at his face to get his hands up, then delivers three upward "bayonet" jabs with a PR-24 into his solar plexus. As he doubles over, she comes up hard with the baton under his jaw. This is classic Fairbairn/Applegate stuff from WW2 OSS training, when chix like Linda were trained and dropped behind Axis lines to liaise with Resistance forces.

    3. When backing down the hall with Dr. Silverman as a shield, an unarmed guard grabs her right arm and yanks her away from him. With her right arm held, Linda pivots and strikes him on the jaw with a heel-of-he-hand blow, which staggers him and enables her to push him to the ground with a 2-handed shove. again, this is classic Fairbairn.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Wake#Wartime_service_and_Special_Operations_Executive

    At this point, with the element of surprise no longer on her side,Linda sees the opportunity to
    make a run for it, and does so. This is pretty much an ideal portrayal of realistic female self-defense: Where everything goes right, she is able to create enough time and space to flee.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux

  23. These movies are great unless they give girls the idea that they could actually take on a man in a fight and win. They should have warnings about this in the credits. “The stuff you are about to see is impossible. In real life women have upper body strength that is inferior to most men.”

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Jack D

    Reality is a harsh mistress:


    In Grip Strength A Woman In The 90th Percentile Would Be At The 10th Percentile For Men



    In relation to the title of this post, it is more accurate to say that a 35 year old British woman who is in the 90th percentile, at 39 kg, would be at the 10th percentile in 35 year old British men. But she would be at the 50th percentile for a 70 year old man. Another way to look at it is that an average 35 year old woman is as strong as an average 80 year old man.
     

    Look at what happens to girls/women in the 90th percentile between 10 and 30. Because girls develop faster they are highly competitive with boys up until around 15, and then the “great grip divergence” kicks in. Both men and women get stronger between 20 and 30 (to my surprise), but men gain a lot more. At age 30 in standard deviation units the average women is about two standard deviation units below the average man. This would put the average women at the 2.5th percentile of men assuming a normal distribution.
     

    It is a German study, and compared three populations: normal men, normal women, and elite national level athletes in Germany in judo and handball. Judo and handball were selected because grip strength are at a premium in these two sports.

    To their surprise the average female athlete was at the 25th percentile for males.
     
    http://gnxp.nofe.me/2017/05/04/in-grip-strength-a-woman-in-the-90th-percentile-would-be-at-the-10th-percentile-for-men/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+RazibKhansTotalFeed+%28Razib+Khan%27s+total+feed%29

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @Desiderius
    @Jack D


    These movies are great
     
    No, no they're not.
  24. Who is the targeted audience for these films with female ass-kickers? I guess they make money or they wouldn’t be making them. But similar feminization doesn’t seem to be working for comic books…

    http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/marvel-exec-blames-diversity-women-comic-sales-slump-1202021440/

    • Replies: @inertial
    @Paul Yarbles

    Men are the audience. Men like to watch attractive women shake their stuff.

    Replies: @Tom-in-VA

    , @Alec Leamas
    @Paul Yarbles


    Who is the targeted audience for these films with female ass-kickers? I guess they make money or they wouldn’t be making them. But similar feminization doesn’t seem to be working for comic books…
     
    Basement dwelling scifi and fantasy nerds seem to have a thing for 110 lb., petite, hot, ass-kicking independent women.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @anon

    , @neutral
    @Paul Yarbles

    I know close to zero about the comic book industry, but I am still going to have a guess at this problem of sales slump. Is perhaps the problem not because of them pushing diversity in its characters, but diversity itself ? The rapid changes in demographics (aka diversity) means that the new youth (more non white) simply is never going to be target audience for comic books, even with big push to cater to them.

  25. @Stan Adams
    I submit the following for your consideration:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F7EYG9tz9Wk

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @The Anti-Gnostic

    Much better is

    Skip to 1:39 for the punchline…

  26. Also, I reiterate my previous comment that Theron is the female Robert Redford–beautiful blonde with useless, ridiculous, far-left worldview.

  27. @Jack D
    These movies are great unless they give girls the idea that they could actually take on a man in a fight and win. They should have warnings about this in the credits. "The stuff you are about to see is impossible. In real life women have upper body strength that is inferior to most men."

    Replies: @syonredux, @Desiderius

    Reality is a harsh mistress:

    In Grip Strength A Woman In The 90th Percentile Would Be At The 10th Percentile For Men

    In relation to the title of this post, it is more accurate to say that a 35 year old British woman who is in the 90th percentile, at 39 kg, would be at the 10th percentile in 35 year old British men. But she would be at the 50th percentile for a 70 year old man. Another way to look at it is that an average 35 year old woman is as strong as an average 80 year old man.

    Look at what happens to girls/women in the 90th percentile between 10 and 30. Because girls develop faster they are highly competitive with boys up until around 15, and then the “great grip divergence” kicks in. Both men and women get stronger between 20 and 30 (to my surprise), but men gain a lot more. At age 30 in standard deviation units the average women is about two standard deviation units below the average man. This would put the average women at the 2.5th percentile of men assuming a normal distribution.

    It is a German study, and compared three populations: normal men, normal women, and elite national level athletes in Germany in judo and handball. Judo and handball were selected because grip strength are at a premium in these two sports.

    To their surprise the average female athlete was at the 25th percentile for males.

    http://gnxp.nofe.me/2017/05/04/in-grip-strength-a-woman-in-the-90th-percentile-would-be-at-the-10th-percentile-for-men/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+RazibKhansTotalFeed+%28Razib+Khan%27s+total+feed%29

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @syonredux


    Reality is a harsh mistress
     
    And she charges by the hour.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

  28. @Erik L
    When I was a kid I saw "The Warriors" and I wondered why tough guys were being played by skinny actors who looked like they spent most of their time doing heroin in the back of a disco.

    Then again pretty much no one is physically capable of doing in real life most of what happens in an action movie.

    Is it a big deal to parents of girls that they not have violent heroes to emulate? Wonder Woman might be. Though it also might suck

    Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist, @C. Van Carter, @FPD72

    When I was a kid I saw “The Warriors” and I wondered why tough guys were being played by skinny actors who looked like they spent most of their time doing heroin in the back of a disco.

    True, but people were just thinner in general until the 80’s. I was recently looking at pictures of Bronx street gangs from the early ’70’s- and almost everyone was lean. What’s notable is how a big part of the scene was scaling high fences and fire escapes- and it was important to literally patrol turf all day long on foot. They must have burnt calories continuously. A far cry from the cruise-and-chill gangstas of today.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @yaqub the mad scientist

    Nobody lifted weights in the 1970s.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Anon87

    , @Anon
    @yaqub the mad scientist

    Back then, even the thugs were drinking milk instead of Coke all the time.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted

    , @Mr. Anon
    @yaqub the mad scientist


    What’s notable is how a big part of the scene was scaling high fences and fire escapes- and it was important to literally patrol turf all day long on foot. They must have burnt calories continuously. A far cry from the cruise-and-chill gangstas of today.
     
    The dancing helped too.
    , @David Davenport
    @yaqub the mad scientist

    When I was a kid I saw “The Warriors” and I wondered why tough guys were being played by skinny actors who looked like they spent most of their time doing heroin in the back of a disco.

    There's a video somewhere on Youtube that says Walter Hill, writer/director of The Warriors, wanted a different cast. Hill wanted all the Warriors to be black.

    However, the money people backing the movie did not agree. So all the Warriors in the movie, if you notice, are Jewish, with the exception of the swishy Puerto Rican kid. Likewise for the girl-gang Lezzies, at least the Lezzies with speaking parts.

    Granted, the Warriors gang starts out with a black leader. But he disappears in the first act, probably due to a change of script and casting.

    Replies: @TTT, @JohnnyGeo

    , @Pericles
    @yaqub the mad scientist

    It's like photos of NBA players now and then.

    , @Flip
    @yaqub the mad scientist

    I think it is all the high fructose corn syrup in the food these days that's made people fatter.

  29. I’ve taken more than a few shots from big, strong athletic women (that’s my type). It’s nothing to speak of. Even your typical male office dweeb can hit harder.

    BTW, it’s not that easy to knock a young, healthy guy down with a punch. You’ve got to hit like you’re swinging for the fence. The idea that slender girls can do that is laughable. I’d let Charlize hit me as hard as she could for 50 bucks and feel like I got a deal.

  30. @Ben Frank
    This is the age of unreality.

    Women can beat up men.
    Black people are the top scientists.
    People with same-sex attraction are some huge population.
    Harry Potter can do magic.
    We give up religion because we're too smart.
    Every criminal, illiterate alien adds to our GDP.
    White people are responsible for all problems.
    Electric cars and wind power will save the environment.
    Nothing happened in history before 1980 except oppression.
    Being aware of racial differences is the greatest sin.

    Remember who was the Father of Lies.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Hat-tip to Walter Sobchak at Razib’s blog:

    O’Brien silenced him by a movement of his hand. ‘We control matter because we control the mind. Reality is inside the skull. You will learn by degrees, Winston. There is nothing that we could not do. Invisibility, levitation — anything. I could float off this floor like a soap bubble if I wish to. I do not wish to, because the Party does not wish it. You must get rid of those nineteenth-century ideas about the laws of Nature. We make the laws of Nature.’

  31. @Barnard
    @syonredux

    It surprises me to see Emily Blunt admit that. Based on how women are portrayed in TV and movies, I think the average woman believes she could beat up the average man if only she had the proper training.

    Replies: @inertial, @Anonymous

    Based on how women are portrayed in TV and movies, I think the average woman believes she could beat up the average man if only she had the proper training.

    They might have believed that had they watched this kind of movies. But they don’t.

  32. @neutral
    I don't know how this actually empowers them, in the real world most women will not be able to do what these movies are trying to portray. If anything, this could get more women harmed because there might be a few foolish enough to think they can take on a man in a fight instead of when the sensible thing is to run.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @2Mintzin1, @Dave Pinsen, @Lovernios X, @Corvinus, @SteveRogers42

    Exactly.

    Mrs Calvinist and I used this local Hong Kong news story as an object lesson for our teenage daughter of this ridiculous and dangerous fiction.

    In short, a young woman was coming home late at night on Hong Kong’s MTR, its subway system. Just outside a station a man robbed her of her mobile phone. The girl decided to chase after the perp, who was lying in wait for her. He grabbed her, tied her up for hours, and raped her.

    Hong Kong is one of the world’s safest cities, so many people here don’t have much fear of street crime. And one does wonder how many movies and TV shows today’s girls have watched in which they’re assured that they can kick the ass of any man, just so long as he’s clearly marked as evil.

  33. @Paul Yarbles
    Who is the targeted audience for these films with female ass-kickers? I guess they make money or they wouldn't be making them. But similar feminization doesn't seem to be working for comic books...

    http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/marvel-exec-blames-diversity-women-comic-sales-slump-1202021440/

    Replies: @inertial, @Alec Leamas, @neutral

    Men are the audience. Men like to watch attractive women shake their stuff.

    • Replies: @Tom-in-VA
    @inertial

    Hence the original butt-kicking babe, Emma Peel from "The Avengers" TV series. More than 50 years ago, I might add.

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=emma+peel&&view=detail&mid=85B0B02B5B3CF42C79E485B0B02B5B3CF42C79E4&rvsmid=BB6E7A7182C8D9446156BB6E7A7182C8D9446156&fsscr=-1320&FORM=VDMCNR

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux

  34. @Paul Yarbles
    Who is the targeted audience for these films with female ass-kickers? I guess they make money or they wouldn't be making them. But similar feminization doesn't seem to be working for comic books...

    http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/marvel-exec-blames-diversity-women-comic-sales-slump-1202021440/

    Replies: @inertial, @Alec Leamas, @neutral

    Who is the targeted audience for these films with female ass-kickers? I guess they make money or they wouldn’t be making them. But similar feminization doesn’t seem to be working for comic books…

    Basement dwelling scifi and fantasy nerds seem to have a thing for 110 lb., petite, hot, ass-kicking independent women.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Alec Leamas

    At 70" in height Charlize is tall for a female. But at 120 pounds she's a willowy stick. Maybe she adds 20 pounds on steroids, still well below the bone/muscle density of a lot of 70" tall man.

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @anon
    @Alec Leamas

    Basement dwelling scifi and fantasy nerds seem to have a thing for 110 lb., petite, hot, ass-kicking independent women.

    I suspect that the illusion is easier to maintain for men who have never been physically intimate with a woman. They might genuinely not appreciate how much more fragile they are.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  35. Not a few people have been cured of their illusions with the first punch. Amateur and professional female fighters of all kinds train with men and are under no illusions whatever about their place. If it is equality you seek get a knife. How hard is that?

  36. @yaqub the mad scientist
    @Erik L

    When I was a kid I saw “The Warriors” and I wondered why tough guys were being played by skinny actors who looked like they spent most of their time doing heroin in the back of a disco.

    True, but people were just thinner in general until the 80's. I was recently looking at pictures of Bronx street gangs from the early '70's- and almost everyone was lean. What's notable is how a big part of the scene was scaling high fences and fire escapes- and it was important to literally patrol turf all day long on foot. They must have burnt calories continuously. A far cry from the cruise-and-chill gangstas of today.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anon, @Mr. Anon, @David Davenport, @Pericles, @Flip

    Nobody lifted weights in the 1970s.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    except Schwarzenegger

    Replies: @syonredux, @PiltdownMan

    , @Anon87
    @Steve Sailer

    I thought Eastwood did, although secretly. Could have sworn I read cocky Arnold squeezed his bicep once, only to be surprised at how much muscle Clint had. I think Easwood tried not to make a big deal out of it.

  37. Louise Rosealma probably regrets watching so many movies about ass-kicking women.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    @ATX Hipster

    I suspect the old Colombian marching powder had more than a bit to do with persuading a 5'1", 98lb. SWPL renegade from NiceTown to mix it with male streetfighters. If he'd clocked her rightly and not popped her square on the frontal bone she'd probably still be laid in hozzy with a tube up her snout. Very lucky little lass.
    No matter how much of a pocket battleship her narzie nemesis turned out to be, he knows what he's doing and should be used to taking on guys many shoe sizes larger and dodging critical damage. Like most lads he's being doing it since kindergarten. "Ordinary" men are nearly all seasoned professionals in this regard, and all women ignore this at their own hazard.

  38. @Stan Adams
    I submit the following for your consideration:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F7EYG9tz9Wk

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @The Anti-Gnostic

    That is painful.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    There are few things I enjoy more than stumbling upon a badly-dubbed, poorly-acted movie that I haven't seen before.

    I get a kick out of her magic leap over the ten-foot wall. Get thee to the Olympics, Ms. Wong!

    Who was the first Action Babe? Pam Grier?

  39. @syonredux
    Reading this kind of sludge increases my respect for Sicario:


    You’ve said you couldn’t sleep for four days after you shot a particular scene in the film. I’m curious which scene it was.

    Emily Blunt:It was the massive fight scene with Jon Bernthal. He’s a boxer, so he was like, “Just smack me. I’m fine. I’m not even gonna feel it.” I mean, we kicked the shit out of each other. I think it was just that feeling of being overpowered by a guy. I’d never experienced that before. But I really like that you don’t have this sort of cheesy action sequence where I’m kicking someone’s ass who could blatantly overpower me any day of the week. So that scene was quite jarring. Every time I went to bed, I couldn’t sleep.
     
    http://www.gq.com/story/emily-blunt-sicario-interview

    Replies: @Barnard, @Yak-15, @Jack D, @PiltdownMan, @jimbojones

    Where is Whiskey to chime in on this one about alpha dominance and vagina tingles keeping her up?

  40. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Steroids are a hell of a drug.

    Yes they are. Patriot TE Aaron Hernandez shoulda woulda coulda played the steroid victim card and claimed he was made insane from the NFL ped drug culture. Good chance that he could have gotten a lighter sentence from a jury halfway convinced he was not in control of his own temper due to chronic steroid abuse. His lawyer should’ve put the NFL on trial. 

  41. @Steve Sailer
    @yaqub the mad scientist

    Nobody lifted weights in the 1970s.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Anon87

    except Schwarzenegger

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Chrisnonymous


    except Schwarzenegger
     
    Annie Leibovitz has talked about how jarring it was when she first worked with Arnie in 1975.After all, she lived in a world where Mick Jagger was a sex-god....To from that to Arnie in his Mr Olympia prime....
    , @PiltdownMan
    @Chrisnonymous

    In the disco era, weightlifting was seen as kind of a relic of the 1950s. If it wasn't for the movie Pumping Iron, getting buff might never have been a thing in our times and might have remained a practice confined to Venice Beach.

    Replies: @Ivy

  42. @Alec Leamas
    @Paul Yarbles


    Who is the targeted audience for these films with female ass-kickers? I guess they make money or they wouldn’t be making them. But similar feminization doesn’t seem to be working for comic books…
     
    Basement dwelling scifi and fantasy nerds seem to have a thing for 110 lb., petite, hot, ass-kicking independent women.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @anon

    At 70″ in height Charlize is tall for a female. But at 120 pounds she’s a willowy stick. Maybe she adds 20 pounds on steroids, still well below the bone/muscle density of a lot of 70″ tall man.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @The Anti-Gnostic


    At 70″ in height Charlize is tall for a female. But at 120 pounds she’s a willowy stick. Maybe she adds 20 pounds on steroids, still well below the bone/muscle density of a lot of 70″ tall man.
     
    She weighs 120?At her height, I would have guessed more like 135.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Brutusale

  43. @Paul Yarbles
    Who is the targeted audience for these films with female ass-kickers? I guess they make money or they wouldn't be making them. But similar feminization doesn't seem to be working for comic books...

    http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/marvel-exec-blames-diversity-women-comic-sales-slump-1202021440/

    Replies: @inertial, @Alec Leamas, @neutral

    I know close to zero about the comic book industry, but I am still going to have a guess at this problem of sales slump. Is perhaps the problem not because of them pushing diversity in its characters, but diversity itself ? The rapid changes in demographics (aka diversity) means that the new youth (more non white) simply is never going to be target audience for comic books, even with big push to cater to them.

  44. @Chrisnonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    except Schwarzenegger

    Replies: @syonredux, @PiltdownMan

    except Schwarzenegger

    Annie Leibovitz has talked about how jarring it was when she first worked with Arnie in 1975.After all, she lived in a world where Mick Jagger was a sex-god….To from that to Arnie in his Mr Olympia prime….

  45. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Alec Leamas

    At 70" in height Charlize is tall for a female. But at 120 pounds she's a willowy stick. Maybe she adds 20 pounds on steroids, still well below the bone/muscle density of a lot of 70" tall man.

    Replies: @syonredux

    At 70″ in height Charlize is tall for a female. But at 120 pounds she’s a willowy stick. Maybe she adds 20 pounds on steroids, still well below the bone/muscle density of a lot of 70″ tall man.

    She weighs 120?At her height, I would have guessed more like 135.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @syonredux

    I just ran Google. She probably does weigh more.

    , @Brutusale
    @syonredux

    She is. She's the same height and curvier than my girlfriend, who weighs 128. I would say that 135 is on the money.

  46. I just recalled that I once wrote a review of the film “The Long Kiss Goodnight,” claiming it was a critique of feminist fantasies about equality. I can’t find it anymore, and I don’t remember the film well enough to recreate it, but I do remember Geena Davis saying at some point in the film something like “Suck my dick!” which gave me the initial idea.

    Anybody else remember the film as I claimed?

    • Replies: @FPD72
    @Chrisnonymous

    I remember the line. It's also another example of a mama bear fighting to save her cub.

    Davis was on a physicality roll about that time, also portraying a baseball player in "A League of Their Own."

  47. @syonredux
    @The Anti-Gnostic


    At 70″ in height Charlize is tall for a female. But at 120 pounds she’s a willowy stick. Maybe she adds 20 pounds on steroids, still well below the bone/muscle density of a lot of 70″ tall man.
     
    She weighs 120?At her height, I would have guessed more like 135.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Brutusale

    I just ran Google. She probably does weigh more.

  48. @inertial
    @Paul Yarbles

    Men are the audience. Men like to watch attractive women shake their stuff.

    Replies: @Tom-in-VA

    Hence the original butt-kicking babe, Emma Peel from “The Avengers” TV series. More than 50 years ago, I might add.

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=emma+peel&&view=detail&mid=85B0B02B5B3CF42C79E485B0B02B5B3CF42C79E4&rvsmid=BB6E7A7182C8D9446156BB6E7A7182C8D9446156&fsscr=-1320&FORM=VDMCNR

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Tom-in-VA

    Thanks, I was just wondering about who was the first.

    So butt-kicking babes required Oriental martial arts to be introduced into the West to add some mystery to how one person can beat another.

    Replies: @syonredux, @anonymous coward, @SteveRogers42, @Erik L

    , @syonredux
    @Tom-in-VA


    Hence the original butt-kicking babe, Emma Peel from “The Avengers” TV series. More than 50 years ago, I might add.
     
    Even her name, "Emma Peel," reflects why the character was created. They wanted "Man-appeal." Man-appeal...M-appeal....Emma Peal...
  49. @syonredux
    Reading this kind of sludge increases my respect for Sicario:


    You’ve said you couldn’t sleep for four days after you shot a particular scene in the film. I’m curious which scene it was.

    Emily Blunt:It was the massive fight scene with Jon Bernthal. He’s a boxer, so he was like, “Just smack me. I’m fine. I’m not even gonna feel it.” I mean, we kicked the shit out of each other. I think it was just that feeling of being overpowered by a guy. I’d never experienced that before. But I really like that you don’t have this sort of cheesy action sequence where I’m kicking someone’s ass who could blatantly overpower me any day of the week. So that scene was quite jarring. Every time I went to bed, I couldn’t sleep.
     
    http://www.gq.com/story/emily-blunt-sicario-interview

    Replies: @Barnard, @Yak-15, @Jack D, @PiltdownMan, @jimbojones

    “I mean, we kicked the shit out of each other.”

    Translated this means “I punched the guy and my stunt double received all of the punches from him.”

  50. @Chrisnonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    except Schwarzenegger

    Replies: @syonredux, @PiltdownMan

    In the disco era, weightlifting was seen as kind of a relic of the 1950s. If it wasn’t for the movie Pumping Iron, getting buff might never have been a thing in our times and might have remained a practice confined to Venice Beach.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @PiltdownMan

    Many of us lifted in the 70s, and then found the sweet spot in the early 80s - alternate the lifting days with aerobics days when the hot girls started teaching. We rationalized all the cardio we were getting. Also, need to work off some of that pizza and beer and do it all again.

  51. Whenever I see a butt-kicking babe in the movies now I instantly think of the Andy Samberg SNL sketch where he dresses up as a superhero and instantly gets his ass kicked. I won’t post a link, but Google it and you won’t be disappointed.

    If SNL weren’t so damn PC they’d do a sequel with a would-be butt-kicking babe who gets the crap kicked out of her by, oh, Keith Richards.

    • Replies: @Anon87
    @Wilkey

    They kind of already did (I can't find the full clip, but you get the point. He pummels her for another 5 minutes to make the point about how dumb butt kicking babes are)

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AvKYPYtmzFY

  52. Butt kicking babes.

    Yeah, sure. That’s some real Science there.

    Every day in every way our media needs to lie to make its point.

    But we’re the crazy ones, you know? What ever you do, don’t be like us!

  53. @Tom-in-VA
    @inertial

    Hence the original butt-kicking babe, Emma Peel from "The Avengers" TV series. More than 50 years ago, I might add.

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=emma+peel&&view=detail&mid=85B0B02B5B3CF42C79E485B0B02B5B3CF42C79E4&rvsmid=BB6E7A7182C8D9446156BB6E7A7182C8D9446156&fsscr=-1320&FORM=VDMCNR

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux

    Thanks, I was just wondering about who was the first.

    So butt-kicking babes required Oriental martial arts to be introduced into the West to add some mystery to how one person can beat another.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Steve Sailer


    Thanks, I was just wondering about who was the first.

    So butt-kicking babes required Oriental martial arts to be introduced into the West to add some mystery to how one person can beat another.
     
    All you need is a judo-chop.....
    , @anonymous coward
    @Steve Sailer


    So butt-kicking babes required Oriental martial arts to be introduced into the West to add some mystery to how one person can beat another.
     
    "Butt-kicking babes" is cultural appropriation from Chinese wuxia (i.e., fantasy) fiction.

    Chinese fantasy always involves kids, old people and sick people kicking butt.

    Of course what was lost in translation is a) that the original was fantasy, not action fact, and b) the fantasy involved various forms of "qi" (i.e., magic) to make the butt-kicking plausible.

    (Also there's nothing feminist about wuxia, it's fantasy about magical princesses.)

    Replies: @C. Van Carter

    , @SteveRogers42
    @Steve Sailer

    I would have gone with Honor Blackman in Goldfinger, who surprises Sean Connery with some Oriental leverage tricks in 1964:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpi01yFHpEg

    Fun starts about 1:00.

    Replies: @HA

    , @Erik L
    @Steve Sailer

    Introduction of oriental martial arts and butt kicking babes goes back further than that

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edith_Margaret_Garrud

    Replies: @HA

  54. @syonredux
    Reading this kind of sludge increases my respect for Sicario:


    You’ve said you couldn’t sleep for four days after you shot a particular scene in the film. I’m curious which scene it was.

    Emily Blunt:It was the massive fight scene with Jon Bernthal. He’s a boxer, so he was like, “Just smack me. I’m fine. I’m not even gonna feel it.” I mean, we kicked the shit out of each other. I think it was just that feeling of being overpowered by a guy. I’d never experienced that before. But I really like that you don’t have this sort of cheesy action sequence where I’m kicking someone’s ass who could blatantly overpower me any day of the week. So that scene was quite jarring. Every time I went to bed, I couldn’t sleep.
     
    http://www.gq.com/story/emily-blunt-sicario-interview

    Replies: @Barnard, @Yak-15, @Jack D, @PiltdownMan, @jimbojones

    Emily Blunt, to her credit, made the point repeatedly in the publicity interviews when the movie was released. Here she is, talking about how women would be completely “overpowered” by men, who are much larger than they are.

  55. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Njguy73
    "Moviemaking is so male-dominated now that they think they’re being pro-feminine when they have women punching each other out." - Pauline Kael (1919-2001) movie critic, in interview with Susan Goodman, Modern Maturity (March/April 1998).

    Replies: @Forbes, @Anon

    People instinctively tend to think women are ghetto and low-class when they get in physical fights, because those are the type of women who get into physical fights in real life. Higher-class women don’t get into physical altercations because 1) They can control themselves, and 2) They normally live in an environment that’s nowhere near as dangerous as a ghetto.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    @Anon

    Ironically, despite their constant involvement in unseemly gutter fights, most female hoodrats are laughably incompetent fighters. Hair weaves get pulled out, arms flail like windmills, "Bitch" is screamed repeatedly at high volume, but no real damage is done despite the 220+ poundage of most of the contenders.

    Replies: @Anon

  56. @Tom-in-VA
    @inertial

    Hence the original butt-kicking babe, Emma Peel from "The Avengers" TV series. More than 50 years ago, I might add.

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=emma+peel&&view=detail&mid=85B0B02B5B3CF42C79E485B0B02B5B3CF42C79E4&rvsmid=BB6E7A7182C8D9446156BB6E7A7182C8D9446156&fsscr=-1320&FORM=VDMCNR

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux

    Hence the original butt-kicking babe, Emma Peel from “The Avengers” TV series. More than 50 years ago, I might add.

    Even her name, “Emma Peel,” reflects why the character was created. They wanted “Man-appeal.” Man-appeal…M-appeal….Emma Peal…

  57. @Steve Sailer
    @Tom-in-VA

    Thanks, I was just wondering about who was the first.

    So butt-kicking babes required Oriental martial arts to be introduced into the West to add some mystery to how one person can beat another.

    Replies: @syonredux, @anonymous coward, @SteveRogers42, @Erik L

    Thanks, I was just wondering about who was the first.

    So butt-kicking babes required Oriental martial arts to be introduced into the West to add some mystery to how one person can beat another.

    All you need is a judo-chop…..

  58. @yaqub the mad scientist
    @Erik L

    When I was a kid I saw “The Warriors” and I wondered why tough guys were being played by skinny actors who looked like they spent most of their time doing heroin in the back of a disco.

    True, but people were just thinner in general until the 80's. I was recently looking at pictures of Bronx street gangs from the early '70's- and almost everyone was lean. What's notable is how a big part of the scene was scaling high fences and fire escapes- and it was important to literally patrol turf all day long on foot. They must have burnt calories continuously. A far cry from the cruise-and-chill gangstas of today.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anon, @Mr. Anon, @David Davenport, @Pericles, @Flip

    Back then, even the thugs were drinking milk instead of Coke all the time.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    @Anon

    http://jarviscity.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/clockwork-orange-milk-scene.jpg

  59. Women can be more capable of physical things than one might imagine. In this amazing video from (IINM) South Africa, a 15-year-old girl, not even a grown woman, handles a ridiculously powerful rifle like a champion. The overwhelming majority of fit, strong adult men could not even hope to manage such a beast of a firearm, if they were lucky they’d be knocked over and have the rifle go flying out of their hands, if unlucky they’d suffer shoulder fractures.

    Peter

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @prosa123

    That girl looks a lot like a young Charlize Theron, who is an Afrikaner.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @prosa123

    The media prevalence of butt-kicking babes is a bridge too far. OTOH, crotch-kicking babes and gunslinging gals are more realistic.

    , @Expletive Deleted
    @prosa123


    The overwhelming majority of fit, strong adult men could not even hope to manage such a beast of a firearm, if they were lucky they’d be knocked over and have the rifle go flying out of their hands, if unlucky they’d suffer shoulder fractures
     
    Which is yet another reason as to why WWI never actually happened. Now if it had been teenage girls in the trenches instead of all those barely-trained, undersized, pigeon-chested, rickety draper's clerks and bobbin-winders popping off their .303 peashooters, why, the slaughter would have been incalculable ...

    Replies: @prosa123, @Jack D

    , @NickG
    @prosa123

    For those wondering what she said after her shooting evolution, she said in Afrikaans 'N bietjie seer maar baie lekker' which translates as 'A bit sore but great fun!

  60. @prosa123
    Women can be more capable of physical things than one might imagine. In this amazing video from (IINM) South Africa, a 15-year-old girl, not even a grown woman, handles a ridiculously powerful rifle like a champion. The overwhelming majority of fit, strong adult men could not even hope to manage such a beast of a firearm, if they were lucky they'd be knocked over and have the rifle go flying out of their hands, if unlucky they'd suffer shoulder fractures.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uje8GYzJ1OM

    Peter

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Expletive Deleted, @NickG

    That girl looks a lot like a young Charlize Theron, who is an Afrikaner.

  61. @PiltdownMan
    @Chrisnonymous

    In the disco era, weightlifting was seen as kind of a relic of the 1950s. If it wasn't for the movie Pumping Iron, getting buff might never have been a thing in our times and might have remained a practice confined to Venice Beach.

    Replies: @Ivy

    Many of us lifted in the 70s, and then found the sweet spot in the early 80s – alternate the lifting days with aerobics days when the hot girls started teaching. We rationalized all the cardio we were getting. Also, need to work off some of that pizza and beer and do it all again.

  62. @neutral
    I don't know how this actually empowers them, in the real world most women will not be able to do what these movies are trying to portray. If anything, this could get more women harmed because there might be a few foolish enough to think they can take on a man in a fight instead of when the sensible thing is to run.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @2Mintzin1, @Dave Pinsen, @Lovernios X, @Corvinus, @SteveRogers42

    Pretty much. The more realistic purpose of martial arts training for women is to get away from the attacker and not be wrestled down…although one student at my old martial arts school in Denton, a senior at Texas Women’s University, was able to give her attacker a pretty good pasting before police arrived.
    Didn’t hurt that she held a brown belt in hapkido (sp.?), and was an athletic 135 lbs. or so.

    The fellow apparently did not have a weapon, and I’m going to guess that he may have had a few drinks. Even so…

  63. I remember the feminist Twitter freakouts regarding Agent Carter, and people pointing out how stupid it was that Carter would walk around knocking out gangsters because “judo”.

    “You can believe in flying cars but not that a woman can knock out a man!?”
    They’d sneer.

    Pretty much.

  64. @syonredux
    Reading this kind of sludge increases my respect for Sicario:


    You’ve said you couldn’t sleep for four days after you shot a particular scene in the film. I’m curious which scene it was.

    Emily Blunt:It was the massive fight scene with Jon Bernthal. He’s a boxer, so he was like, “Just smack me. I’m fine. I’m not even gonna feel it.” I mean, we kicked the shit out of each other. I think it was just that feeling of being overpowered by a guy. I’d never experienced that before. But I really like that you don’t have this sort of cheesy action sequence where I’m kicking someone’s ass who could blatantly overpower me any day of the week. So that scene was quite jarring. Every time I went to bed, I couldn’t sleep.
     
    http://www.gq.com/story/emily-blunt-sicario-interview

    Replies: @Barnard, @Yak-15, @Jack D, @PiltdownMan, @jimbojones

    Sicario was a fantastic movie. I think Emily Blunt was the top actress back in 2014-2015, Sicario and Edge of Tomorrow were two of the best movies Hollywood released over the last decade. Tried to watch Blunt’s latest movie where she is on the train and couldn’t stand more than 20 min.

    • Replies: @jim jones
    @jimbojones

    Sicario was a great movie spoilt by the fact that they just had to have a token female

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  65. Honor Blackman preceded Dianna Rigg on the Avengers. Fun fact, McNees first partner was a man.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Whiskey


    Honor Blackman preceded Dianna Rigg on the Avengers. Fun fact, McNees first partner was a man.
     
    Yep, Ian Hendry.

    And fun quiz question - can you name all five Avengers girls? And no, I'm not including the 1998 movie.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Whiskey

    Honor Blackman actually earned a brown belt in karate, so at least she looked like she knew what she was doing. Diana Rigg was never convincing.

  66. They are so liberated. But you can’t have women receive the same kind of brutal punishment on screen as men, that would be misogynistic.

  67. You’ve probably seen the Swedish female cops verse the refugee.

  68. Blonde women are so 20th Century. The character should be changed to “Trans-person of indeterminate ethnicity”.

  69. On the realistic side of a woman that understands the nuance of violence.

  70. @yaqub the mad scientist
    @Erik L

    When I was a kid I saw “The Warriors” and I wondered why tough guys were being played by skinny actors who looked like they spent most of their time doing heroin in the back of a disco.

    True, but people were just thinner in general until the 80's. I was recently looking at pictures of Bronx street gangs from the early '70's- and almost everyone was lean. What's notable is how a big part of the scene was scaling high fences and fire escapes- and it was important to literally patrol turf all day long on foot. They must have burnt calories continuously. A far cry from the cruise-and-chill gangstas of today.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anon, @Mr. Anon, @David Davenport, @Pericles, @Flip

    What’s notable is how a big part of the scene was scaling high fences and fire escapes- and it was important to literally patrol turf all day long on foot. They must have burnt calories continuously. A far cry from the cruise-and-chill gangstas of today.

    The dancing helped too.

  71. @syonredux
    @Jack D

    Reality is a harsh mistress:


    In Grip Strength A Woman In The 90th Percentile Would Be At The 10th Percentile For Men



    In relation to the title of this post, it is more accurate to say that a 35 year old British woman who is in the 90th percentile, at 39 kg, would be at the 10th percentile in 35 year old British men. But she would be at the 50th percentile for a 70 year old man. Another way to look at it is that an average 35 year old woman is as strong as an average 80 year old man.
     

    Look at what happens to girls/women in the 90th percentile between 10 and 30. Because girls develop faster they are highly competitive with boys up until around 15, and then the “great grip divergence” kicks in. Both men and women get stronger between 20 and 30 (to my surprise), but men gain a lot more. At age 30 in standard deviation units the average women is about two standard deviation units below the average man. This would put the average women at the 2.5th percentile of men assuming a normal distribution.
     

    It is a German study, and compared three populations: normal men, normal women, and elite national level athletes in Germany in judo and handball. Judo and handball were selected because grip strength are at a premium in these two sports.

    To their surprise the average female athlete was at the 25th percentile for males.
     
    http://gnxp.nofe.me/2017/05/04/in-grip-strength-a-woman-in-the-90th-percentile-would-be-at-the-10th-percentile-for-men/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+RazibKhansTotalFeed+%28Razib+Khan%27s+total+feed%29

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Reality is a harsh mistress

    And she charges by the hour.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    @Mr. Anon

    I'm gonna steal that one.

  72. @Jack D
    These movies are great unless they give girls the idea that they could actually take on a man in a fight and win. They should have warnings about this in the credits. "The stuff you are about to see is impossible. In real life women have upper body strength that is inferior to most men."

    Replies: @syonredux, @Desiderius

    These movies are great

    No, no they’re not.

  73. @Steve Sailer
    @Patrick Sullivan

    Steroids are a hell of a drug.

    Replies: @JW Bell

    She was dumb before the roids.

  74. @Chrisnonymous
    @Patrick Sullivan

    I may not be remembering all of T2, but even in that movie, I don't recall her being a butt-kicking action hero so much as a woman driven to the edge of sanity by an obsession with becoming strong. As you say, in T1, she was a believable damsel, but even in T2 I remember her character as much more plausible than latter-day heroines.

    The thing about her in T2 as well as the Weaver character in the Alien movies is that they appear to be vulnerable and distressed and win through perseverance.

    All action movies are implausible when the action is considered as action. What gives them a veneer of plausibility is the psychology of the character revealed through the action. That's why Roger Moore's 007 was a joke compared to Sean Connery's, and it's why vulnerable yet tough performances like Terminator or Alien are more effective than modern "I'm a man" female action roles.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @guest, @SteveRogers42

    Yeah, Linda Hamilton in T2 was documentary realism compared today’s butt-kicking babe stuff (e.g., ScarJo wisecracking while taking down commandos in Marvel movies). Hamilton did some martial arts stuff in the mental hospital, but mostly she fought with firearms, which is plausible.

    I think the butt-kicking babe genre probably started in earnest with Buffy The Vampire Slayer in the late ’90s.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Dave Pinsen


    I think the butt-kicking babe genre probably started in earnest with Buffy The Vampire Slayer in the late ’90s.
     
    Everything Joss Whedon has ever been involved in has been utter crap. He's kind of like an American Steven Moffat.

    Replies: @Romanian

  75. @neutral
    I don't know how this actually empowers them, in the real world most women will not be able to do what these movies are trying to portray. If anything, this could get more women harmed because there might be a few foolish enough to think they can take on a man in a fight instead of when the sensible thing is to run.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @2Mintzin1, @Dave Pinsen, @Lovernios X, @Corvinus, @SteveRogers42

    I wonder if it unconsciously led this woman to play tug-of-war over her handbag with a mugger.
    https://twitter.com/Gavin_McInnes/status/861012916560121856

  76. Anonymous [AKA "Jack the Jock"] says:

    Let’s see a chick out sprint Usain Bolt and I’ll accept the fact women are equivalent to men physically.

  77. @Forbes
    Haywire (2011) with Gina Carano as black ops super soldier is such a butt-kicking, young-girl empowering movie.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Eh, I dunno. I doubt a lot of young girls saw that movie.

    I just saw it over the weekend, and while I was glancing at the Internet a bit during it, it reminded me of how my sister described an old James Bond movie when we were kids: “No one knows what’s going on. They’re just waiting to see him get beat up again.”

    As far as butt-kicking babes go, Gina Carano, a former MMA star and the daughter of an NFL player, is more plausible than most actresses, but her fight scenes with men were still implausible. She could beat the stuffing out of Scarlett Johansson though.

  78. @yaqub the mad scientist
    @Erik L

    When I was a kid I saw “The Warriors” and I wondered why tough guys were being played by skinny actors who looked like they spent most of their time doing heroin in the back of a disco.

    True, but people were just thinner in general until the 80's. I was recently looking at pictures of Bronx street gangs from the early '70's- and almost everyone was lean. What's notable is how a big part of the scene was scaling high fences and fire escapes- and it was important to literally patrol turf all day long on foot. They must have burnt calories continuously. A far cry from the cruise-and-chill gangstas of today.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anon, @Mr. Anon, @David Davenport, @Pericles, @Flip

    When I was a kid I saw “The Warriors” and I wondered why tough guys were being played by skinny actors who looked like they spent most of their time doing heroin in the back of a disco.

    There’s a video somewhere on Youtube that says Walter Hill, writer/director of The Warriors, wanted a different cast. Hill wanted all the Warriors to be black.

    However, the money people backing the movie did not agree. So all the Warriors in the movie, if you notice, are Jewish, with the exception of the swishy Puerto Rican kid. Likewise for the girl-gang Lezzies, at least the Lezzies with speaking parts.

    Granted, the Warriors gang starts out with a black leader. But he disappears in the first act, probably due to a change of script and casting.

    • Replies: @TTT
    @David Davenport

    The movie was an adaption of a 1965 novel of the same name authored by Sol Yurick. In the novel all of the main characters were Black-Puerto Ricans. It's a good read.

    , @JohnnyGeo
    @David Davenport

    The Warriors script was based on the legend of Xenophon and the Ten Thousand. The death of Cleon mirrors the execution of the Ten Thousand's leadership at the outset of their return march.

  79. guest says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    @Patrick Sullivan

    I may not be remembering all of T2, but even in that movie, I don't recall her being a butt-kicking action hero so much as a woman driven to the edge of sanity by an obsession with becoming strong. As you say, in T1, she was a believable damsel, but even in T2 I remember her character as much more plausible than latter-day heroines.

    The thing about her in T2 as well as the Weaver character in the Alien movies is that they appear to be vulnerable and distressed and win through perseverance.

    All action movies are implausible when the action is considered as action. What gives them a veneer of plausibility is the psychology of the character revealed through the action. That's why Roger Moore's 007 was a joke compared to Sean Connery's, and it's why vulnerable yet tough performances like Terminator or Alien are more effective than modern "I'm a man" female action roles.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @guest, @SteveRogers42

    Don’t you remember her escape from the hospital? She takes down several grown men with minimal weaponry. Then let’s say the rest is with guns and therefore plausible, though I don’t know how many amateur chicks could attempt to assassinate Dyson as well as she did.

    She also gets stabbed in the shoulder and tortured but “takes it like a man,” refusing to shout out and recovering enough to go on fighting.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @guest

    My memory is vague, but I recall that sequence as being mostly actions taken out of desperation that work out for her and fighting of the "hit, kick, and run away" variety.

    As I said, ALL action movies are implausible when compared strictly to real life scenarios. The question is whether the psychology of the situation allows the viewer to engage in suspension of disbelief. If she had confidently walked up to them and beaten them all stength against strength in a 1 vs 5 melee, it would have been ridiculous. As it was, I bought in to her as a desperate woman who had been training herself to be tough and resourceful for the last 10 years.

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @guest

    My memory is vague, but I recall that sequence as being mostly actions taken out of desperation that work out for her and fighting of the "hit, kick, and run away" variety.

    As I said, ALL action movies are implausible when compared strictly to real life scenarios. The question is whether the psychology of the situation allows the viewer to engage in suspension of disbelief. If she had confidently walked up to them and beaten them all stength against strength in a 1 vs 5 melee, it would have been ridiculous. As it was, I bought in to her as a desperate woman who had been training herself to be tough and resourceful for the last 10 years.

    Replies: @guest

    , @Stan Adams
    @guest

    Her escape scene isn't that unrealistic, as far as action-babe scenes go:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evJ-XVrI4Js

    The prison guards are all flabby wimps. When she runs into a real adversary - Ahh-nold - she freaks out and runs away, just like a little girl.

    She flakes out when she tries to shoot Dyson at close range - she can't do it.

    When she gets stabbed, she "takes it like a man" because the survival of her son is at stake. It's the maternal instinct - protect your offspring at all costs.

    Replies: @guest

  80. @syonredux

    Still, Ms. Theron said these roles don’t come often enough. “I don’t think we’ve ever given women a fair shot to really have the opportunities to take on roles like these,” she said, citing Ms. Weaver’s as a big inspiration for her “Mad Max” performance. “I remember seeing her when I was young, and it really left an impression on me. She’s incredible. Linda Hamilton in ‘Terminator.’
     
    And yet the actions scenes featuring Ripley and Sarah Connor seem restrained and realistic when compared to what we see these days....And James Cameron also presented their acts of violence in the context of motherhood.....Which makes the violence psychologically credible, as even the most gentle and pacific of women can be roused to great acts of violence in defense of their children...

    Replies: @dfordoom

    And James Cameron also presented their acts of violence in the context of motherhood…..Which makes the violence psychologically credible, as even the most gentle and pacific of women can be roused to great acts of violence in defense of their children…

    Fortunately we’re much more enlightened these days. We know that nothing is more oppressive than motherhood and nothing is more empowering than mindless violence.

  81. Years ago in her book From Reverence to Rape Molly Haskell pointed out that Hollywood movies of the 30s and 40s were more genuinely interested in women as women than the movies of later supposedly more enlightened eras.

    The popularity of the kickass action heroine movie marks a new low in Hollywood misogyny, pushing the standard feminist line that women are worthless unless they turn themselves into fake men.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @dfordoom

    My late mother-in-law had Turner Classics on all the time so I saw a lot of those 1930s and 1940s movies. The actresses in them come off as having much stronger personalities than the actresses I see in movies today, who generally seem wimpy when they're not kicking male butt.

  82. Jack Hanson says:

    When I was working PT as a trainer at my boxing gym with the women there I could take punches all day and it wasn’t a thing.

    After I got done with them I had a 15 year old young man GG contender get in the ring to spar with, and I put in my mouthguard, kept the abs tight. The difference was that profound.

  83. @Whiskey
    Honor Blackman preceded Dianna Rigg on the Avengers. Fun fact, McNees first partner was a man.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Harry Baldwin

    Honor Blackman preceded Dianna Rigg on the Avengers. Fun fact, McNees first partner was a man.

    Yep, Ian Hendry.

    And fun quiz question – can you name all five Avengers girls? And no, I’m not including the 1998 movie.

  84. @Dave Pinsen
    @Chrisnonymous

    Yeah, Linda Hamilton in T2 was documentary realism compared today's butt-kicking babe stuff (e.g., ScarJo wisecracking while taking down commandos in Marvel movies). Hamilton did some martial arts stuff in the mental hospital, but mostly she fought with firearms, which is plausible.

    I think the butt-kicking babe genre probably started in earnest with Buffy The Vampire Slayer in the late '90s.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    I think the butt-kicking babe genre probably started in earnest with Buffy The Vampire Slayer in the late ’90s.

    Everything Joss Whedon has ever been involved in has been utter crap. He’s kind of like an American Steven Moffat.

    • Disagree: JohnnyGeo
    • Replies: @Romanian
    @dfordoom

    I very much liked Dollhouse. It had a weird premise and was very moving. Firefly was great too.

  85. @prosa123
    Women can be more capable of physical things than one might imagine. In this amazing video from (IINM) South Africa, a 15-year-old girl, not even a grown woman, handles a ridiculously powerful rifle like a champion. The overwhelming majority of fit, strong adult men could not even hope to manage such a beast of a firearm, if they were lucky they'd be knocked over and have the rifle go flying out of their hands, if unlucky they'd suffer shoulder fractures.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uje8GYzJ1OM

    Peter

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Expletive Deleted, @NickG

    The media prevalence of butt-kicking babes is a bridge too far. OTOH, crotch-kicking babes and gunslinging gals are more realistic.

  86. @jimbojones
    @syonredux

    Sicario was a fantastic movie. I think Emily Blunt was the top actress back in 2014-2015, Sicario and Edge of Tomorrow were two of the best movies Hollywood released over the last decade. Tried to watch Blunt's latest movie where she is on the train and couldn't stand more than 20 min.

    Replies: @jim jones

    Sicario was a great movie spoilt by the fact that they just had to have a token female

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @jim jones

    jim, My two youngest daughters, 30 and 28, love "Sicario". They question why there even was a female character. Movie stands without Kate.

  87. @David Davenport
    @yaqub the mad scientist

    When I was a kid I saw “The Warriors” and I wondered why tough guys were being played by skinny actors who looked like they spent most of their time doing heroin in the back of a disco.

    There's a video somewhere on Youtube that says Walter Hill, writer/director of The Warriors, wanted a different cast. Hill wanted all the Warriors to be black.

    However, the money people backing the movie did not agree. So all the Warriors in the movie, if you notice, are Jewish, with the exception of the swishy Puerto Rican kid. Likewise for the girl-gang Lezzies, at least the Lezzies with speaking parts.

    Granted, the Warriors gang starts out with a black leader. But he disappears in the first act, probably due to a change of script and casting.

    Replies: @TTT, @JohnnyGeo

    The movie was an adaption of a 1965 novel of the same name authored by Sol Yurick. In the novel all of the main characters were Black-Puerto Ricans. It’s a good read.

  88. @yaqub the mad scientist
    @Erik L

    When I was a kid I saw “The Warriors” and I wondered why tough guys were being played by skinny actors who looked like they spent most of their time doing heroin in the back of a disco.

    True, but people were just thinner in general until the 80's. I was recently looking at pictures of Bronx street gangs from the early '70's- and almost everyone was lean. What's notable is how a big part of the scene was scaling high fences and fire escapes- and it was important to literally patrol turf all day long on foot. They must have burnt calories continuously. A far cry from the cruise-and-chill gangstas of today.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anon, @Mr. Anon, @David Davenport, @Pericles, @Flip

    It’s like photos of NBA players now and then.

  89. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Stan Adams

    That is painful.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    There are few things I enjoy more than stumbling upon a badly-dubbed, poorly-acted movie that I haven’t seen before.

    I get a kick out of her magic leap over the ten-foot wall. Get thee to the Olympics, Ms. Wong!

    Who was the first Action Babe? Pam Grier?

  90. @Steve Sailer
    @Tom-in-VA

    Thanks, I was just wondering about who was the first.

    So butt-kicking babes required Oriental martial arts to be introduced into the West to add some mystery to how one person can beat another.

    Replies: @syonredux, @anonymous coward, @SteveRogers42, @Erik L

    So butt-kicking babes required Oriental martial arts to be introduced into the West to add some mystery to how one person can beat another.

    “Butt-kicking babes” is cultural appropriation from Chinese wuxia (i.e., fantasy) fiction.

    Chinese fantasy always involves kids, old people and sick people kicking butt.

    Of course what was lost in translation is a) that the original was fantasy, not action fact, and b) the fantasy involved various forms of “qi” (i.e., magic) to make the butt-kicking plausible.

    (Also there’s nothing feminist about wuxia, it’s fantasy about magical princesses.)

    • Replies: @C. Van Carter
    @anonymous coward

    Or handicapped people, which unlike "butt-kicking babes" is actually entertaining.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYYbvzz4RsU

  91. @dfordoom
    @Dave Pinsen


    I think the butt-kicking babe genre probably started in earnest with Buffy The Vampire Slayer in the late ’90s.
     
    Everything Joss Whedon has ever been involved in has been utter crap. He's kind of like an American Steven Moffat.

    Replies: @Romanian

    I very much liked Dollhouse. It had a weird premise and was very moving. Firefly was great too.

  92. @yaqub the mad scientist
    @Erik L

    When I was a kid I saw “The Warriors” and I wondered why tough guys were being played by skinny actors who looked like they spent most of their time doing heroin in the back of a disco.

    True, but people were just thinner in general until the 80's. I was recently looking at pictures of Bronx street gangs from the early '70's- and almost everyone was lean. What's notable is how a big part of the scene was scaling high fences and fire escapes- and it was important to literally patrol turf all day long on foot. They must have burnt calories continuously. A far cry from the cruise-and-chill gangstas of today.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anon, @Mr. Anon, @David Davenport, @Pericles, @Flip

    I think it is all the high fructose corn syrup in the food these days that’s made people fatter.

  93. One evening a roommate and I watched a Bruce Lee movie together. Afterward, he was remembering fondly the karate classes of his youth, and I indulged him as he went through some moves with me. The joy he took in this seemed very similar to what I experienced doing ballroom dancing. (I spent a couple hours a week doing that in my mid-20s.) What people like about movie fighting and a lot of martial arts doesn’t have much to do with actual violence, so it is hard to get too worried about lack of realism in movie fighting. It seems like every James Bond movie has a fight or two where Bond is hopelessly outclassed but prevails because he is so wily and resourceful. That’s fun to watch, and the slender maiden who flattens bruisers tickles some of the same buttons plus a few others. The silliness is about as problematic as the dance scenes in La La Land.

  94. I remember that when Aliens came out all the pieces about the tough female Hispanic Private Vasquez and how she was going to change the roles for women in action movies.

  95. Still, Ms. Theron said these roles don’t come often enough. “I don’t think we’ve ever given women a fair shot to really have the opportunities to take on roles like these,”

    Milla Jovovitch wept.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Captain Tripps

    RESIDENT EVIL is tardo trash, but I gotta admit it's fun. And Jovovitch looks fantastic in EXTINCTION.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VVEAkYlA8o

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

  96. Physics proves that women are almost always incapable of delivering blows of sufficient power to kick a man’s butt. Why? Mass and velocity. The equation for kinetic energy is KE = 0.5 x m(v2). Here m stands for mass, the measure of how much matter is in an object, and v stands for velocity of the object, or the rate at which the object changes its position. If a woman has a larger mass than a male, the amount of mass in the equation would produce more force. But, the value of “speed” in the equation is squared. If the velocity is twice as fast, its value is then squared. Speed is much more important in the production of kinetic energy. Men are usually faster. A man is usually going to have more mass and more speed so the punch energy will be more. Add to this the fact that men are more aggressive, usually have more experience in fighting, have more skeletal density, and are taller with a longer reach, the fiction that a 110 lb. female could outfight a 220 lb. male is laughable. But then, beta male nerds like watching girls fight.

  97. A major problem with the Millennial women that I’ve noticed is that many really have bought into the whole notion that they are just as strong as men/can beat up a man.

    I’ve witnessed far more than I should numbers of young women in bars/clubs, getting aggressive with men to a point far beyond femininity and outright physically challenging. Most of the time the men avoid the situation and or don’t fight back even if the woman takes a swing, but a few times the men call the bluff and get physical back and the the shock on the Millential woman’s face is unbelievable—half “I can’t believe he hit a girl” and half “omg that dude is WAY stronger than me, I have SO backed myself into a corner here !”

    I blame it, of course, on feminist brainwashing in movies and TV shows, but also on the gelding of (white) males by society, which makes them seem docile and easy to women.

    One guy I knew at a local bar had a good pickup method. He’d engage some drunk girl in some banter, and then challenge her to an arm wrestling contest. The girl agrees, and they lock hands (he’s not a big guy, actually probably an inch or two below average, and skinny) and he’d firmly and quickly push their hand down without any effort, but careful enough not to injure her.

    The girl would inevitably get a surprised look on her face (“WTF? That wasn’t even a challenge for him!”) and demand a rematch, and he’d oblige, but this time play with her, letting her get a bit ahead before carefully and firmly slamming down her hand, often with a playful comment or two.

    The girl’s attitude would abruptly shift from aggressive egalitarian to coquettishly feminine, and they’d start to get real cozy after he put her in her place.

    • Replies: @anon
    @whorefinder

    He’d engage some drunk girl in some banter, and then challenge her to an arm wrestling contest.

    Ha! I used to do that too in my early twenties! I thought I invented it. I even did it on sober girls too.

    Honestly, I was amazed that ANY of them ever fell for it, but I'd say about a third of them did.

    I don't really get how you make it that far in life without realizing such a basic fact. But I guess that's a recurring theme here at iSteve, isn't it?

    , @Guille
    @whorefinder

    Yes I've noticed this attitude too, it's so bizarre that I have even got into a serious discussion with two millennial college feminists about who would win in a soccer match between the USWNT and the USMNT. When I calmly pointed out that the best women's soccer national teams lose to 15 year old boys they were incredulous at first until I showed them the results. What followed was some excuses and mutterings and they refused to browse the topic anymore. As someone said on the Joe Rogan show recently, feminists always denied the psychological differences between men and women but now they are even denying physiological ones. I think feminists basically suffer from a huge inferiority complex towards men due to their experience of growing up as tomboys.

  98. Feminism is a movement of dissatisfied grown up tomboys, the butt-kicking babe trope is solely and squarely aimed at this minority demographic which for some reason has become the most influential demographic in the west right now. Namely grown up tomboys, or masculinized women to use a more precise term. Tomboys have it tough, except for the minority of tomboys who are full-blown lesbians they both want to compete with and desire romantic relationships with men. The problem though is that not even the most masculine women can successfully compete with men at doing masculine things and men universally prefer their more feminine peers as romantic partners over the masculinized tomboy. Did you know that 80% of female executives identified as tomboys in childhood? That even a higher percentage of active feminists identified as tomboys too? They have one advantage though, this minority subset of women are much more dominant, vocal, assertive and ambitious than their more feminine peers which is why they so successfully managed to claim leadership over other women and successfully frame their concerns the primary concerns of all womanhood.

    Feminists are often said to hate masculinity but the fact is that they adore masculinity, they envy it in men and crave it for themselves. What feminists really hate is femininity, there is no other group that despises femininity as much as feminists do. Their favorite trope of “internalized misogyny” is a projection which is made clear by the fact that it is solely aimed at women who are not ashamed of their femininity.

    We are right now living in a culture that is obsessed with catering to this subgroup of masculinized women under the false pretense that they represent the interests of the majority of women out there. Expect more movies with butt-kicking warrior women, expect more pressure on little girls to abandon their favorite toys and start participating in more rough and tumble play with the boys, expect princess dresses to be outlawed, expect feminine role models in movies to disappear under pressure from this group of zealots, expect girls being forced to play team sports such as football or rugby in elementary school, expect housewives and feminine women to be shamed for their life choices and expect men to be ferociously despised for still preferring feminine women over the masculinized tomboy who will never be happy because she can never defeat nature no matter how much she tries. Sexually antagonistic selection is a bitch. Sexually antagonistic selection is what caused the tomboy. And they will never accept the evolutionary truth about the nature of males and females in the species homo sapiens

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Guille

    There is some reason for hope. I've noticed that a lot of Gen Z girls find it to be edgy and cool to rebel against the new expectations that they are to be strong. Its promising, somewhat. Its also promising that I find that they have higher expectations of men, presumably of a fantasy past: "Men used to be more capable, men used to be more aggressive, etc."

    I find it less promising that they don't seem to be embracing traditional duties of women, though. Far as I can tell, a heart of their rebellion comes from a desire to do absolutely nothing at all.

    , @Anon
    @Guille

    Feminism is a movement of dissatisfied grown up tomboys, the butt-kicking babe trope is solely and squarely aimed at this minority demographic which for some reason has become the most influential demographic in the west right now.

    No, guys like it too.

    Back in elementary school, boys and girls were into WONDER WOMAN with Linda Carter.

    One boy had a giant crush on Wonder Woman's sister. Couldn't stop talking about her.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKm1X60nW4w

    Besides, the killer goddess is a timeless trope. Artemis and Athena.

    And German mythology has the Valkyries.

    https://youtu.be/YC6f8FbnVMQ?t=1m6s

    Replies: @Anon87

    , @dfordoom
    @Guille


    Feminists are often said to hate masculinity but the fact is that they adore masculinity, they envy it in men and crave it for themselves. What feminists really hate is femininity, there is no other group that despises femininity as much as feminists do.
     
    Feminism is the worship of toxic masculinity. Feminists idolise masculinity but they don't understand it, so their attempts to emulate it always emphasise the wrong things. The result is a toxic fake masculinity.
  99. Disclaimer: I haven’t seen this movie, sounds a bit like Angelina Jolie in her Tombraider stuff.

    When Frozen came out, I took my girls, and in the post-movie discussion I said something like “it’s another of those ‘the Princess and the plumber’ movies”. (Complete with a Wicked Prince and an absence of parents) My older one, who must have been around 13, inmediately answered: “No mom, the message is that you don’t need a man to be ok.”
    That’s cognitive dissonance for you.

    Since then, I see all tough chick movies as an attempt to break up possible future families.

    • Agree: BB753
  100. In The Man in the High Castle (Amazon) aikido is given as the reason the female character can beat up men (because it allows you to use their strength against them). A few episodes in she kills an SD agent by throwing him over the railing of a bridge. The hilarious thing is the camera shows her knocking him into the railing (because there’s no way she could actually lift the guy) and then they cut to a shot of him falling over the railing. It’s so incompetently executed you can’t help but wonder whether they did it on purpose.

  101. carol says:

    My husband watches this stuff constantly. I think his attitude is, “well, in theory, it’s possible..” He likes the Dragon Tattoo girl and all that.

    However, I must say that the kickass female trope was a welcome antidote to the 50’s scifi cliché that had female-in-jep break a heel and fall down while running away from the monster. Every time. She had to fall down.

    God that one got old. But Aliens was enough, and how long ago was that?

    • Replies: @anon
    @carol

    God that one got old. But Aliens was enough, and how long ago was that?

    I don't know, but Star Wars: The Crappy Reboot was only two years ago. I guess the empowering nature of that one already wore off.

    It's an interesting subtext in the conventional narrative. Women are just as strong and capable as men, but they're also like babies who haven't yet achieved object permanence. Therefore, every time they see a butt-kicking heroine in a movie, they're astonished, because they have already forgotten that they just saw the exact same thing a year or two ago.

  102. @neutral
    I don't know how this actually empowers them, in the real world most women will not be able to do what these movies are trying to portray. If anything, this could get more women harmed because there might be a few foolish enough to think they can take on a man in a fight instead of when the sensible thing is to run.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @2Mintzin1, @Dave Pinsen, @Lovernios X, @Corvinus, @SteveRogers42

    Most men in the real world cannot do what the male action heroes do. The amount of physical damage done to a human body in these films, the beatings, the falls, the gunshots, the knife wounds would be fatal in most cases. I always get a kick (get it?) out of the hero being unable to fight back until he is almost beaten to death. Then he calls up his reserve and thrashes the villain.

    All you have to do is watch boxing or MMA to see what really happens when you get punched square in the face: you go down. And that’s with padded gloves.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Lovernios X

    Love, I agree with what you wrote but in MMA the padded gloves also keep you from breaking a knuckle or finger. So hard to throw punches if you have a broken knuckle.

  103. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Alec Leamas
    @Paul Yarbles


    Who is the targeted audience for these films with female ass-kickers? I guess they make money or they wouldn’t be making them. But similar feminization doesn’t seem to be working for comic books…
     
    Basement dwelling scifi and fantasy nerds seem to have a thing for 110 lb., petite, hot, ass-kicking independent women.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @anon

    Basement dwelling scifi and fantasy nerds seem to have a thing for 110 lb., petite, hot, ass-kicking independent women.

    I suspect that the illusion is easier to maintain for men who have never been physically intimate with a woman. They might genuinely not appreciate how much more fragile they are.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anon

    Or they have been boffing fat heifers with no particular strength but at least bulk.

  104. @neutral
    I don't know how this actually empowers them, in the real world most women will not be able to do what these movies are trying to portray. If anything, this could get more women harmed because there might be a few foolish enough to think they can take on a man in a fight instead of when the sensible thing is to run.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @2Mintzin1, @Dave Pinsen, @Lovernios X, @Corvinus, @SteveRogers42

    “If anything, this could get more women harmed because there might be a few foolish enough to think they can take on a man in a fight instead of when the sensible thing is to run.”

    Relax, it’s only a movie. Most women who watch “GRRL POWR” films realize that the story and action sequences are escapist fare and that they lack the muscle mass, fighting techniques, and training to mimic the characters.

    • Replies: @EriK
    @Corvinus


    Relax, it’s only a movie. Most women who watch “GRRL POWR” films realize that the story and action sequences are escapist fare and that they lack the muscle mass, fighting techniques, and training to mimic the characters.
     
    Seems like the chick that got laid out by Joe Mixon didn't get the memo.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoTXImRJS2k

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @SteveRogers42
    @Corvinus

    This military G0-grrrlll didn't realize it until it was much, much too late:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxzd7kKm91c

    And SHE was the one who laid down the challenge!

    Replies: @Anon, @Corvinus

  105. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Real life butt-kicking babes in MMA reached it’s peak with Ronda Rousey and Holly Holm, two women who were nice to look at and actually looked like real females. The rest of the field is dominated by awful looking, tatted up imitation men who look like prison inmates. That peak of popularity they brought to the game will fade unless some other passable stars can be found. Rule of women’s sports is that the participants have to be plausibly female or else no one outside of a small niche will care about it.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @anonymous

    "Real life butt-kicking babes in MMA reached it’s peak with Ronda Rousey and Holly Holm"

    I saw the clip on youtube.

    Two uglyass ho's.

  106. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @whorefinder
    A major problem with the Millennial women that I've noticed is that many really have bought into the whole notion that they are just as strong as men/can beat up a man.

    I've witnessed far more than I should numbers of young women in bars/clubs, getting aggressive with men to a point far beyond femininity and outright physically challenging. Most of the time the men avoid the situation and or don't fight back even if the woman takes a swing, but a few times the men call the bluff and get physical back and the the shock on the Millential woman's face is unbelievable---half "I can't believe he hit a girl" and half "omg that dude is WAY stronger than me, I have SO backed myself into a corner here !"

    I blame it, of course, on feminist brainwashing in movies and TV shows, but also on the gelding of (white) males by society, which makes them seem docile and easy to women.

    One guy I knew at a local bar had a good pickup method. He'd engage some drunk girl in some banter, and then challenge her to an arm wrestling contest. The girl agrees, and they lock hands (he's not a big guy, actually probably an inch or two below average, and skinny) and he'd firmly and quickly push their hand down without any effort, but careful enough not to injure her.

    The girl would inevitably get a surprised look on her face ("WTF? That wasn't even a challenge for him!") and demand a rematch, and he'd oblige, but this time play with her, letting her get a bit ahead before carefully and firmly slamming down her hand, often with a playful comment or two.

    The girl's attitude would abruptly shift from aggressive egalitarian to coquettishly feminine, and they'd start to get real cozy after he put her in her place.

    Replies: @anon, @Guille

    He’d engage some drunk girl in some banter, and then challenge her to an arm wrestling contest.

    Ha! I used to do that too in my early twenties! I thought I invented it. I even did it on sober girls too.

    Honestly, I was amazed that ANY of them ever fell for it, but I’d say about a third of them did.

    I don’t really get how you make it that far in life without realizing such a basic fact. But I guess that’s a recurring theme here at iSteve, isn’t it?

  107. @whorefinder
    A major problem with the Millennial women that I've noticed is that many really have bought into the whole notion that they are just as strong as men/can beat up a man.

    I've witnessed far more than I should numbers of young women in bars/clubs, getting aggressive with men to a point far beyond femininity and outright physically challenging. Most of the time the men avoid the situation and or don't fight back even if the woman takes a swing, but a few times the men call the bluff and get physical back and the the shock on the Millential woman's face is unbelievable---half "I can't believe he hit a girl" and half "omg that dude is WAY stronger than me, I have SO backed myself into a corner here !"

    I blame it, of course, on feminist brainwashing in movies and TV shows, but also on the gelding of (white) males by society, which makes them seem docile and easy to women.

    One guy I knew at a local bar had a good pickup method. He'd engage some drunk girl in some banter, and then challenge her to an arm wrestling contest. The girl agrees, and they lock hands (he's not a big guy, actually probably an inch or two below average, and skinny) and he'd firmly and quickly push their hand down without any effort, but careful enough not to injure her.

    The girl would inevitably get a surprised look on her face ("WTF? That wasn't even a challenge for him!") and demand a rematch, and he'd oblige, but this time play with her, letting her get a bit ahead before carefully and firmly slamming down her hand, often with a playful comment or two.

    The girl's attitude would abruptly shift from aggressive egalitarian to coquettishly feminine, and they'd start to get real cozy after he put her in her place.

    Replies: @anon, @Guille

    Yes I’ve noticed this attitude too, it’s so bizarre that I have even got into a serious discussion with two millennial college feminists about who would win in a soccer match between the USWNT and the USMNT. When I calmly pointed out that the best women’s soccer national teams lose to 15 year old boys they were incredulous at first until I showed them the results. What followed was some excuses and mutterings and they refused to browse the topic anymore. As someone said on the Joe Rogan show recently, feminists always denied the psychological differences between men and women but now they are even denying physiological ones. I think feminists basically suffer from a huge inferiority complex towards men due to their experience of growing up as tomboys.

  108. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @carol
    My husband watches this stuff constantly. I think his attitude is, "well, in theory, it's possible.." He likes the Dragon Tattoo girl and all that.

    However, I must say that the kickass female trope was a welcome antidote to the 50's scifi cliché that had female-in-jep break a heel and fall down while running away from the monster. Every time. She had to fall down.

    God that one got old. But Aliens was enough, and how long ago was that?

    Replies: @anon

    God that one got old. But Aliens was enough, and how long ago was that?

    I don’t know, but Star Wars: The Crappy Reboot was only two years ago. I guess the empowering nature of that one already wore off.

    It’s an interesting subtext in the conventional narrative. Women are just as strong and capable as men, but they’re also like babies who haven’t yet achieved object permanence. Therefore, every time they see a butt-kicking heroine in a movie, they’re astonished, because they have already forgotten that they just saw the exact same thing a year or two ago.

  109. Jennifer Garner was the best at this type of role. She seemed genuinly athletic and tough, while still cute and sexy.

  110. @ATX Hipster
    Louise Rosealma probably regrets watching so many movies about ass-kicking women.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted

    I suspect the old Colombian marching powder had more than a bit to do with persuading a 5’1″, 98lb. SWPL renegade from NiceTown to mix it with male streetfighters. If he’d clocked her rightly and not popped her square on the frontal bone she’d probably still be laid in hozzy with a tube up her snout. Very lucky little lass.
    No matter how much of a pocket battleship her narzie nemesis turned out to be, he knows what he’s doing and should be used to taking on guys many shoe sizes larger and dodging critical damage. Like most lads he’s being doing it since kindergarten. “Ordinary” men are nearly all seasoned professionals in this regard, and all women ignore this at their own hazard.

  111. @Anon
    @yaqub the mad scientist

    Back then, even the thugs were drinking milk instead of Coke all the time.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted

  112. @prosa123
    Women can be more capable of physical things than one might imagine. In this amazing video from (IINM) South Africa, a 15-year-old girl, not even a grown woman, handles a ridiculously powerful rifle like a champion. The overwhelming majority of fit, strong adult men could not even hope to manage such a beast of a firearm, if they were lucky they'd be knocked over and have the rifle go flying out of their hands, if unlucky they'd suffer shoulder fractures.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uje8GYzJ1OM

    Peter

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Expletive Deleted, @NickG

    The overwhelming majority of fit, strong adult men could not even hope to manage such a beast of a firearm, if they were lucky they’d be knocked over and have the rifle go flying out of their hands, if unlucky they’d suffer shoulder fractures

    Which is yet another reason as to why WWI never actually happened. Now if it had been teenage girls in the trenches instead of all those barely-trained, undersized, pigeon-chested, rickety draper’s clerks and bobbin-winders popping off their .303 peashooters, why, the slaughter would have been incalculable …

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @Expletive Deleted

    I'm not quite sure of your point. While the .303 British is too powerful for new shooters, with some training and with experience in shooting progressively larger calibers, the average adult man should be able to handle it. As happened in the British Army.

    The .450 Rigby has orders of magnitude more recoil than the .303 British. I don't care if you spent years training under qualified instructors, most adult men would never be able to handle its recoil. Their bodies would not be strong enough.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Jack D
    @Expletive Deleted

    He may have been exaggerating a bit, but that girl was firing a friggin' ELEPHANT GUN, designed to take down large game. A .303 really is a peashooter in comparison with that thing which kicks like a mule. You do have to give that girl credit - there are a lot of men who can't handle the recoil from an elephant gun.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YWqkX8ZLDI

  113. @guest
    @Chrisnonymous

    Don't you remember her escape from the hospital? She takes down several grown men with minimal weaponry. Then let's say the rest is with guns and therefore plausible, though I don't know how many amateur chicks could attempt to assassinate Dyson as well as she did.

    She also gets stabbed in the shoulder and tortured but "takes it like a man," refusing to shout out and recovering enough to go on fighting.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Chrisnonymous, @Stan Adams

    My memory is vague, but I recall that sequence as being mostly actions taken out of desperation that work out for her and fighting of the “hit, kick, and run away” variety.

    As I said, ALL action movies are implausible when compared strictly to real life scenarios. The question is whether the psychology of the situation allows the viewer to engage in suspension of disbelief. If she had confidently walked up to them and beaten them all stength against strength in a 1 vs 5 melee, it would have been ridiculous. As it was, I bought in to her as a desperate woman who had been training herself to be tough and resourceful for the last 10 years.

  114. @guest
    @Chrisnonymous

    Don't you remember her escape from the hospital? She takes down several grown men with minimal weaponry. Then let's say the rest is with guns and therefore plausible, though I don't know how many amateur chicks could attempt to assassinate Dyson as well as she did.

    She also gets stabbed in the shoulder and tortured but "takes it like a man," refusing to shout out and recovering enough to go on fighting.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Chrisnonymous, @Stan Adams

    My memory is vague, but I recall that sequence as being mostly actions taken out of desperation that work out for her and fighting of the “hit, kick, and run away” variety.

    As I said, ALL action movies are implausible when compared strictly to real life scenarios. The question is whether the psychology of the situation allows the viewer to engage in suspension of disbelief. If she had confidently walked up to them and beaten them all stength against strength in a 1 vs 5 melee, it would have been ridiculous. As it was, I bought in to her as a desperate woman who had been training herself to be tough and resourceful for the last 10 years.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Chrisnonymous

    "As I said. ALL action movies are implausible when compared strictly to real life scenarios"

    I don't expect them to be strictly realistic, but I would like them to be consistent. If everyone in the story can fly without aid of aircraft, okay. It's a story about flying people. But if only the men can fly and the women can't, I'd wonder why. If the movie doesn't tell me, it's probably not a very good movie.

    Terminator 2 features time travel and passable cyborgs. Okay. The rest is supposed to be more or less like real life, or a heightened action movie version of it. The basic laws of physics, for instance, aren't suspended at will. (Exceptions made for the Rule of Funny, the Rule of Cool, and the Rule of Awesome.)

    The original Terminator had a supersoldier character in Kyle Reese, who was significantly tougher than any other human. But that was explained, in that he was born into a world of Total War with murderous machines. They don't explain why the sequel suddenly takes place in a world where women are significantly stronger relative to men.

    I guess there's a partial explanation in that Sarah Connor knows bad things are coming and has trained. But just look at her. She's more toned than in the last movie, but she has very little muscle mass. I know I could beat her up, and it's not fun to watch her physically dominate large men.

    If they gave her superpowers, or something, that'd be different. But she's the same ordinary Sarah Connor from the first one, only now she's been traumatized, knows more about fighting, and is a little crazy.

    Replies: @syonredux

  115. Faster Pussycat!Kill! Kill! – Russ Meyer had tough girl beating up a guy. Pretty fun film to watch.

    • Replies: @prole
    @Travis

    Feminists once attacked Russ Meyer for being a misogynist...many changed their view of him and film critic Ruby Rich described him as "the first feminist American director....Faster Pussycat was a body blow to the idea that women are just victims..."

  116. @David Davenport
    @yaqub the mad scientist

    When I was a kid I saw “The Warriors” and I wondered why tough guys were being played by skinny actors who looked like they spent most of their time doing heroin in the back of a disco.

    There's a video somewhere on Youtube that says Walter Hill, writer/director of The Warriors, wanted a different cast. Hill wanted all the Warriors to be black.

    However, the money people backing the movie did not agree. So all the Warriors in the movie, if you notice, are Jewish, with the exception of the swishy Puerto Rican kid. Likewise for the girl-gang Lezzies, at least the Lezzies with speaking parts.

    Granted, the Warriors gang starts out with a black leader. But he disappears in the first act, probably due to a change of script and casting.

    Replies: @TTT, @JohnnyGeo

    The Warriors script was based on the legend of Xenophon and the Ten Thousand. The death of Cleon mirrors the execution of the Ten Thousand’s leadership at the outset of their return march.

  117. Two women cops in Tampa tussle with a thug outside a transit station, transit workers have to intervene to save their pathetic posteriors:

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ee8_1494290230

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    @prosa123

    ELDERLY transit workers...

  118. @Erik L
    When I was a kid I saw "The Warriors" and I wondered why tough guys were being played by skinny actors who looked like they spent most of their time doing heroin in the back of a disco.

    Then again pretty much no one is physically capable of doing in real life most of what happens in an action movie.

    Is it a big deal to parents of girls that they not have violent heroes to emulate? Wonder Woman might be. Though it also might suck

    Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist, @C. Van Carter, @FPD72

    • Replies: @Erik L
    @C. Van Carter

    Wow- the guy did his research I guess

    Replies: @C. Van Carter

  119. @Travis
    https://youtu.be/Ng0JCSAbOtQ

    Faster Pussycat!Kill! Kill! - Russ Meyer had tough girl beating up a guy. Pretty fun film to watch.

    Replies: @prole

    Feminists once attacked Russ Meyer for being a misogynist…many changed their view of him and film critic Ruby Rich described him as “the first feminist American director….Faster Pussycat was a body blow to the idea that women are just victims…”

  120. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Barnard
    @syonredux

    It surprises me to see Emily Blunt admit that. Based on how women are portrayed in TV and movies, I think the average woman believes she could beat up the average man if only she had the proper training.

    Replies: @inertial, @Anonymous

    Sadly American men are in such bad shape that a well conditioned woman on the right side of the height and bone structure curve probably could defeat them.
    Among physically fit men with reasonable fighting skills and no inhibitions against using them….any female that stands a chance is a freak. In every sense of the word.

  121. @anon
    @Alec Leamas

    Basement dwelling scifi and fantasy nerds seem to have a thing for 110 lb., petite, hot, ass-kicking independent women.

    I suspect that the illusion is easier to maintain for men who have never been physically intimate with a woman. They might genuinely not appreciate how much more fragile they are.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Or they have been boffing fat heifers with no particular strength but at least bulk.

  122. @Farenheit
    Jessica Lynch, who acquitted herself with well below average distinction in a firefight for her life, will probably not be asked to review it.

    Replies: @dc.sunsets

    The Ballad of Jessica ™

    Produced by the United States Army
    Division of Recruiting.

    Rotten Apples gave it 4 apples.
    Viewers gave it ZERO.

  123. @Guille
    Feminism is a movement of dissatisfied grown up tomboys, the butt-kicking babe trope is solely and squarely aimed at this minority demographic which for some reason has become the most influential demographic in the west right now. Namely grown up tomboys, or masculinized women to use a more precise term. Tomboys have it tough, except for the minority of tomboys who are full-blown lesbians they both want to compete with and desire romantic relationships with men. The problem though is that not even the most masculine women can successfully compete with men at doing masculine things and men universally prefer their more feminine peers as romantic partners over the masculinized tomboy. Did you know that 80% of female executives identified as tomboys in childhood? That even a higher percentage of active feminists identified as tomboys too? They have one advantage though, this minority subset of women are much more dominant, vocal, assertive and ambitious than their more feminine peers which is why they so successfully managed to claim leadership over other women and successfully frame their concerns the primary concerns of all womanhood.

    Feminists are often said to hate masculinity but the fact is that they adore masculinity, they envy it in men and crave it for themselves. What feminists really hate is femininity, there is no other group that despises femininity as much as feminists do. Their favorite trope of "internalized misogyny" is a projection which is made clear by the fact that it is solely aimed at women who are not ashamed of their femininity.

    We are right now living in a culture that is obsessed with catering to this subgroup of masculinized women under the false pretense that they represent the interests of the majority of women out there. Expect more movies with butt-kicking warrior women, expect more pressure on little girls to abandon their favorite toys and start participating in more rough and tumble play with the boys, expect princess dresses to be outlawed, expect feminine role models in movies to disappear under pressure from this group of zealots, expect girls being forced to play team sports such as football or rugby in elementary school, expect housewives and feminine women to be shamed for their life choices and expect men to be ferociously despised for still preferring feminine women over the masculinized tomboy who will never be happy because she can never defeat nature no matter how much she tries. Sexually antagonistic selection is a bitch. Sexually antagonistic selection is what caused the tomboy. And they will never accept the evolutionary truth about the nature of males and females in the species homo sapiens

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Anon, @dfordoom

    There is some reason for hope. I’ve noticed that a lot of Gen Z girls find it to be edgy and cool to rebel against the new expectations that they are to be strong. Its promising, somewhat. Its also promising that I find that they have higher expectations of men, presumably of a fantasy past: “Men used to be more capable, men used to be more aggressive, etc.”

    I find it less promising that they don’t seem to be embracing traditional duties of women, though. Far as I can tell, a heart of their rebellion comes from a desire to do absolutely nothing at all.

  124. @Expletive Deleted
    @prosa123


    The overwhelming majority of fit, strong adult men could not even hope to manage such a beast of a firearm, if they were lucky they’d be knocked over and have the rifle go flying out of their hands, if unlucky they’d suffer shoulder fractures
     
    Which is yet another reason as to why WWI never actually happened. Now if it had been teenage girls in the trenches instead of all those barely-trained, undersized, pigeon-chested, rickety draper's clerks and bobbin-winders popping off their .303 peashooters, why, the slaughter would have been incalculable ...

    Replies: @prosa123, @Jack D

    I’m not quite sure of your point. While the .303 British is too powerful for new shooters, with some training and with experience in shooting progressively larger calibers, the average adult man should be able to handle it. As happened in the British Army.

    The .450 Rigby has orders of magnitude more recoil than the .303 British. I don’t care if you spent years training under qualified instructors, most adult men would never be able to handle its recoil. Their bodies would not be strong enough.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @prosa123

    The key to handling recoil from large bore rifles is being able to roll with the punch. All the old ivory hunters who shot the black powder four bore rifles-probably the most brutal recoiling shoulder fired weapons in history-were wiry little guys.

    My father hunted with a .375 H&H on game as small as whitetail, at least on those hunts where there was not a huge amount of walking. An avid handloader, he had reduced power loads for that, but always carried a couple rounds of factory full charge ammo lest he run into something dangerous.

    My mother, a chubby 5'9" woman, could handle the .375 with reduced loads ok but only fired it once with a factory hunting load. That was more than enough. Her brother's daughter, a gamine teenager, could fire the full charge .375 without complaint and had shot bigger rifles-up to the brutal .460 Weatherby and the .577 NE double rifle-on occasion. (It left bruises, but she didn't care.)

    I've shot quite a few bigbore dangerous game rifles. If the rifle has a weight proportionate to the muzzle energy, is correctly fitted, and on the bigger chamberings has some sort of muzzle brake, it's not as painful as you'd think. On the other hand, poor fitting, lots of stock drop at the shoulder, and a narrow buttplate make the common 94 Winchester in .30-30 a miserable gun to shoot at any length, at least for me.

    That said-two rounds from a true elephant stopper-a .577 or .600 Nitro Express- is enough for the day for anyone. Those guns were not for paying clients nor for merchant ivory hunters, they were for the professional hunter backing the paying client up. The paying hunter carried a smaller double rifle or bolt gun, and if he f****ed up, the big gun came into play often at short range and on little notice. When a bull elephant is charging, they say you don't even notice the recoil.


    All these cartridges are small beer compared to the .50 Browning machine gun round-but single shot rifles for that are usually 30 lbs, as opposed to the 14-17 of the heaviest British bigbore doubles.

  125. @Expletive Deleted
    @prosa123


    The overwhelming majority of fit, strong adult men could not even hope to manage such a beast of a firearm, if they were lucky they’d be knocked over and have the rifle go flying out of their hands, if unlucky they’d suffer shoulder fractures
     
    Which is yet another reason as to why WWI never actually happened. Now if it had been teenage girls in the trenches instead of all those barely-trained, undersized, pigeon-chested, rickety draper's clerks and bobbin-winders popping off their .303 peashooters, why, the slaughter would have been incalculable ...

    Replies: @prosa123, @Jack D

    He may have been exaggerating a bit, but that girl was firing a friggin’ ELEPHANT GUN, designed to take down large game. A .303 really is a peashooter in comparison with that thing which kicks like a mule. You do have to give that girl credit – there are a lot of men who can’t handle the recoil from an elephant gun.

  126. @Erik L
    When I was a kid I saw "The Warriors" and I wondered why tough guys were being played by skinny actors who looked like they spent most of their time doing heroin in the back of a disco.

    Then again pretty much no one is physically capable of doing in real life most of what happens in an action movie.

    Is it a big deal to parents of girls that they not have violent heroes to emulate? Wonder Woman might be. Though it also might suck

    Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist, @C. Van Carter, @FPD72

    When I saw “The Warriors” I thought the most unrealistic aspect of the film was racially mixed gangs. I had no idea that gangs had embraced “diversity is our strength” ahead of the rest of our society.

    Who knew that gangs were so progressive?

  127. @snorlax

    In “Atomic Blonde,” Charlize Theron takes on the biggest action role for a woman on screen to date
     
    As big a role as the Grrl Power Retcon Squad?

    Replies: @Old fogey

    Wow, congratulations on getting the weirdo name spelled correctly. I had to use google to find out if indeed that was the correct spelling. Whatever happened to naming girls something sensible, such as “Mary?”

  128. EriK says:
    @Corvinus
    @neutral

    "If anything, this could get more women harmed because there might be a few foolish enough to think they can take on a man in a fight instead of when the sensible thing is to run."

    Relax, it's only a movie. Most women who watch "GRRL POWR" films realize that the story and action sequences are escapist fare and that they lack the muscle mass, fighting techniques, and training to mimic the characters.

    Replies: @EriK, @SteveRogers42

    Relax, it’s only a movie. Most women who watch “GRRL POWR” films realize that the story and action sequences are escapist fare and that they lack the muscle mass, fighting techniques, and training to mimic the characters.

    Seems like the chick that got laid out by Joe Mixon didn’t get the memo.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @EriK

    "Seems like the chick that got laid out by Joe Mixon didn’t get the memo."

    Dude, she wasn't "fighting" him. She pushed him, and he punched her in the face. Is that how you handle your business?

    Of course she should have not made that move in the first place, and he should have walked away. But maybe you're the type of "man" who thinks they have it coming.

  129. @guest
    @Chrisnonymous

    Don't you remember her escape from the hospital? She takes down several grown men with minimal weaponry. Then let's say the rest is with guns and therefore plausible, though I don't know how many amateur chicks could attempt to assassinate Dyson as well as she did.

    She also gets stabbed in the shoulder and tortured but "takes it like a man," refusing to shout out and recovering enough to go on fighting.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Chrisnonymous, @Stan Adams

    Her escape scene isn’t that unrealistic, as far as action-babe scenes go:

    The prison guards are all flabby wimps. When she runs into a real adversary – Ahh-nold – she freaks out and runs away, just like a little girl.

    She flakes out when she tries to shoot Dyson at close range – she can’t do it.

    When she gets stabbed, she “takes it like a man” because the survival of her son is at stake. It’s the maternal instinct – protect your offspring at all costs.

    • Agree: syonredux
    • Replies: @guest
    @Stan Adams

    They may be flabby, but they're not shown to be wimps, though the doctor is. Their flabbiness shouldn't make it easier for her to overpower them, though it might make it easier for her to outrun them.

    The fact that she cowers from Arnold is neither here nor there, because he's not a man at all.

    She flakes out eventually, but she would've killed Dyson if not for the freak accident of the remote-controlled car. How many non-professional females could get as close as she did? I guess she had training, but we don't really know how much, how intensive it was, nor how competent were her teachers.

    As for maternal instinct, I suppose you're right.

  130. @neutral
    I don't know how this actually empowers them, in the real world most women will not be able to do what these movies are trying to portray. If anything, this could get more women harmed because there might be a few foolish enough to think they can take on a man in a fight instead of when the sensible thing is to run.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @2Mintzin1, @Dave Pinsen, @Lovernios X, @Corvinus, @SteveRogers42

    Moldylocks, wearing sap gloves, had bragged about “taking Nazi scalps” until…

    View post on imgur.com

    View post on imgur.com

    I’m sure that “You-go-grrrlll” fantasies were playing in her head right up until the moment that an object exactly the shape and size of a male fist intruded into her safe space.

  131. @Chrisnonymous
    @Patrick Sullivan

    I may not be remembering all of T2, but even in that movie, I don't recall her being a butt-kicking action hero so much as a woman driven to the edge of sanity by an obsession with becoming strong. As you say, in T1, she was a believable damsel, but even in T2 I remember her character as much more plausible than latter-day heroines.

    The thing about her in T2 as well as the Weaver character in the Alien movies is that they appear to be vulnerable and distressed and win through perseverance.

    All action movies are implausible when the action is considered as action. What gives them a veneer of plausibility is the psychology of the character revealed through the action. That's why Roger Moore's 007 was a joke compared to Sean Connery's, and it's why vulnerable yet tough performances like Terminator or Alien are more effective than modern "I'm a man" female action roles.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @guest, @SteveRogers42

    Upon further review of T2, Linda plays it as close to reality as possible:

    1. She breaks off a piece of mop handle, then ambushes the pudgy perv watchman, slashing down across his right temple/cheek with a full 2-handed stroke, then breaks the stick over the back of his head. It’s easier to get knocked out if you don’t see it coming.

    2. Then she surprises the next guard and distracts him by throwing keys at his face to get his hands up, then delivers three upward “bayonet” jabs with a PR-24 into his solar plexus. As he doubles over, she comes up hard with the baton under his jaw. This is classic Fairbairn/Applegate stuff from WW2 OSS training, when chix like Linda were trained and dropped behind Axis lines to liaise with Resistance forces.

    3. When backing down the hall with Dr. Silverman as a shield, an unarmed guard grabs her right arm and yanks her away from him. With her right arm held, Linda pivots and strikes him on the jaw with a heel-of-he-hand blow, which staggers him and enables her to push him to the ground with a 2-handed shove. again, this is classic Fairbairn.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Wake#Wartime_service_and_Special_Operations_Executive

    At this point, with the element of surprise no longer on her side,Linda sees the opportunity to
    make a run for it, and does so. This is pretty much an ideal portrayal of realistic female self-defense: Where everything goes right, she is able to create enough time and space to flee.

    • Agree: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @SteveRogers42

    James Cameron is really smart about how things work.

    , @syonredux
    @SteveRogers42

    Top-notch analysis.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

  132. @Chrisnonymous
    I just recalled that I once wrote a review of the film "The Long Kiss Goodnight," claiming it was a critique of feminist fantasies about equality. I can't find it anymore, and I don't remember the film well enough to recreate it, but I do remember Geena Davis saying at some point in the film something like "Suck my dick!" which gave me the initial idea.

    Anybody else remember the film as I claimed?

    Replies: @FPD72

    I remember the line. It’s also another example of a mama bear fighting to save her cub.

    Davis was on a physicality roll about that time, also portraying a baseball player in “A League of Their Own.”

  133. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @prosa123
    @Expletive Deleted

    I'm not quite sure of your point. While the .303 British is too powerful for new shooters, with some training and with experience in shooting progressively larger calibers, the average adult man should be able to handle it. As happened in the British Army.

    The .450 Rigby has orders of magnitude more recoil than the .303 British. I don't care if you spent years training under qualified instructors, most adult men would never be able to handle its recoil. Their bodies would not be strong enough.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The key to handling recoil from large bore rifles is being able to roll with the punch. All the old ivory hunters who shot the black powder four bore rifles-probably the most brutal recoiling shoulder fired weapons in history-were wiry little guys.

    My father hunted with a .375 H&H on game as small as whitetail, at least on those hunts where there was not a huge amount of walking. An avid handloader, he had reduced power loads for that, but always carried a couple rounds of factory full charge ammo lest he run into something dangerous.

    My mother, a chubby 5’9″ woman, could handle the .375 with reduced loads ok but only fired it once with a factory hunting load. That was more than enough. Her brother’s daughter, a gamine teenager, could fire the full charge .375 without complaint and had shot bigger rifles-up to the brutal .460 Weatherby and the .577 NE double rifle-on occasion. (It left bruises, but she didn’t care.)

    I’ve shot quite a few bigbore dangerous game rifles. If the rifle has a weight proportionate to the muzzle energy, is correctly fitted, and on the bigger chamberings has some sort of muzzle brake, it’s not as painful as you’d think. On the other hand, poor fitting, lots of stock drop at the shoulder, and a narrow buttplate make the common 94 Winchester in .30-30 a miserable gun to shoot at any length, at least for me.

    That said-two rounds from a true elephant stopper-a .577 or .600 Nitro Express- is enough for the day for anyone. Those guns were not for paying clients nor for merchant ivory hunters, they were for the professional hunter backing the paying client up. The paying hunter carried a smaller double rifle or bolt gun, and if he f****ed up, the big gun came into play often at short range and on little notice. When a bull elephant is charging, they say you don’t even notice the recoil.

    All these cartridges are small beer compared to the .50 Browning machine gun round-but single shot rifles for that are usually 30 lbs, as opposed to the 14-17 of the heaviest British bigbore doubles.

  134. @Steve Sailer
    @Tom-in-VA

    Thanks, I was just wondering about who was the first.

    So butt-kicking babes required Oriental martial arts to be introduced into the West to add some mystery to how one person can beat another.

    Replies: @syonredux, @anonymous coward, @SteveRogers42, @Erik L

    I would have gone with Honor Blackman in Goldfinger, who surprises Sean Connery with some Oriental leverage tricks in 1964:

    Fun starts about 1:00.

    • Replies: @HA
    @SteveRogers42

    "I would have gone with Honor Blackman in Goldfinger,..."

    No, while it's true that Diana Rigg was not the original female crime-fighting muscle, Honor Blackman's earlier stint in the Avengers preceded both Goldfinger and Diana Rigg's Emma Peel. The latter was her replacement.


    Dr. Cathy Gale is a fictional character, played by Honor Blackman, on the 1960s British series The Avengers. She was the first regular female partner of John Steed ...made her first appearance at the start of the series' second season in 1962....Initially, Gale was one of several rotating partners who worked with Steed...[but by] the third season...she was Steed's only partner.

    ...Cathy Gale was considered a trail-blazing female character.... Her later mode of dress - a leather outfit designed to make it easier for Gale to fight - started a fashion trend, as did her wearing of what were dubbed "kinky boots". (The term became a catch phrase and Honor Blackman and her co-star Patrick Macnee even recorded a moderately popular single entitled "Kinky Boots".) The influence of Cathy Gale could be felt in productions on both sides of the Atlantic... as well as the character that succeeded her in The Avengers, Emma Peel.

    Blackman left the series after its third season in order to co-star in the James Bond film Goldfinger. She was replaced by actress Diana Rigg as Emma Peel.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathy_Gale

    It's also worth noting that Wonder Woman was introduced two decades earlier by William Moulton Marston as "psychological propaganda for the new type of woman who should, I believe, rule the world."

    Replies: @HA, @SteveRogers42

  135. @syonredux
    @The Anti-Gnostic


    At 70″ in height Charlize is tall for a female. But at 120 pounds she’s a willowy stick. Maybe she adds 20 pounds on steroids, still well below the bone/muscle density of a lot of 70″ tall man.
     
    She weighs 120?At her height, I would have guessed more like 135.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Brutusale

    She is. She’s the same height and curvier than my girlfriend, who weighs 128. I would say that 135 is on the money.

  136. @Anon
    @Njguy73

    People instinctively tend to think women are ghetto and low-class when they get in physical fights, because those are the type of women who get into physical fights in real life. Higher-class women don't get into physical altercations because 1) They can control themselves, and 2) They normally live in an environment that's nowhere near as dangerous as a ghetto.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

    Ironically, despite their constant involvement in unseemly gutter fights, most female hoodrats are laughably incompetent fighters. Hair weaves get pulled out, arms flail like windmills, “Bitch” is screamed repeatedly at high volume, but no real damage is done despite the 220+ poundage of most of the contenders.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @SteveRogers42

    Ironically, despite their constant involvement in unseemly gutter fights, most female hoodrats are laughably incompetent fighters. Hair weaves get pulled out, arms flail like windmills, “Bitch” is screamed repeatedly at high volume, but no real damage is done despite the 220+ poundage of most of the contenders.

    It doesn't matter if they're incompetent. If you get in the way, it's gonna be like running into a bull run in Pamplona. It's the sheer force that counts. Some of them ho's are big as sumo wrestlers and defensive backs. Their fighting style may not be sweet science but it's a tornado, or whornado.

    Back in 6th grade, my last yr at city school, the two toughest kids in my class were a Negro kid named Halva and a giantess-Negress named Juanita. She was like 6ft tall. A monster ho. She once walloped a Filipino boy who called her 'dandruff headed bitch'. She could have used head and shoulders.

    Anyway, the most frightening fight I ever saw was between Halva and Juanita over I don't know what. I mean it made Hearns vs Hagler look like kindergarten tussle. It made Ali vs Frazier look like two fairies slapping each other. It made Duran vs Leonard look like girls doing patty-cake.

    It was like King Kong vs Godzilla. Halva was swinging harder and landing more but the sheer size of the gargantuan ho made it a close match until a whole bunch of school staff had to split them apart. I would score it 10-8 in favor of Halva but he had to give it all against the the daughter of Kong.

    So, when I moved to suburb full of Jewish kids, it was like going from a jungle to a garden.

    This is why Jews who bitch about 'racism' and 'segregation' make me laugh. I mean they left for suburbs too, long before others did.

  137. Anonymous [AKA "One Time Comment"] says:

    prosa that is ridiculous pap. No rifle is going to break your shoulder. Plenty of people can handle the recoil. I bet you think recoil is determined by the round? Browning makes .50BMG rifles that have no recoil. All the recoil of a gun is caused by gasses leaving the barrel, just like a rocket. With a long enough barrel (so that all the gasses are fully expanded) or with an effective muzzle break, there is no recoil. It does not matter how powerful the round is. The weight of the gun also effects it.

    So a .303 british can actually have more recoil than a .450 if you put a muzzle break on the .450. Without any break at all, the .303 is nothing compared to #12 gauge (apx .75 cal) high brass. .303 is in the same ballpark as a .308.

    In real life no rifle will ever break your shoulder. And no way is a .303 too powerful for a new shooter who’s not a total wuss. You certainly don’t need training with progressively larger calibers to fire any of them.

    .450 is a big badass round with a lot of boom but lets not get carried away into ridiculousness here. You just saw a 14 year old girl shooting it.

  138. guest says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    @guest

    My memory is vague, but I recall that sequence as being mostly actions taken out of desperation that work out for her and fighting of the "hit, kick, and run away" variety.

    As I said, ALL action movies are implausible when compared strictly to real life scenarios. The question is whether the psychology of the situation allows the viewer to engage in suspension of disbelief. If she had confidently walked up to them and beaten them all stength against strength in a 1 vs 5 melee, it would have been ridiculous. As it was, I bought in to her as a desperate woman who had been training herself to be tough and resourceful for the last 10 years.

    Replies: @guest

    “As I said. ALL action movies are implausible when compared strictly to real life scenarios”

    I don’t expect them to be strictly realistic, but I would like them to be consistent. If everyone in the story can fly without aid of aircraft, okay. It’s a story about flying people. But if only the men can fly and the women can’t, I’d wonder why. If the movie doesn’t tell me, it’s probably not a very good movie.

    Terminator 2 features time travel and passable cyborgs. Okay. The rest is supposed to be more or less like real life, or a heightened action movie version of it. The basic laws of physics, for instance, aren’t suspended at will. (Exceptions made for the Rule of Funny, the Rule of Cool, and the Rule of Awesome.)

    The original Terminator had a supersoldier character in Kyle Reese, who was significantly tougher than any other human. But that was explained, in that he was born into a world of Total War with murderous machines. They don’t explain why the sequel suddenly takes place in a world where women are significantly stronger relative to men.

    I guess there’s a partial explanation in that Sarah Connor knows bad things are coming and has trained. But just look at her. She’s more toned than in the last movie, but she has very little muscle mass. I know I could beat her up, and it’s not fun to watch her physically dominate large men.

    If they gave her superpowers, or something, that’d be different. But she’s the same ordinary Sarah Connor from the first one, only now she’s been traumatized, knows more about fighting, and is a little crazy.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @guest

    I suggest that you read SteveRogers42 comment at 131. He provides an excellent analysis of Sarah Connor's moves in T2. Really, by the standards of contemporary action films, her scenes are quite realistic.

  139. @Mr. Anon
    @syonredux


    Reality is a harsh mistress
     
    And she charges by the hour.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

    I’m gonna steal that one.

  140. @anonymous coward
    @Steve Sailer


    So butt-kicking babes required Oriental martial arts to be introduced into the West to add some mystery to how one person can beat another.
     
    "Butt-kicking babes" is cultural appropriation from Chinese wuxia (i.e., fantasy) fiction.

    Chinese fantasy always involves kids, old people and sick people kicking butt.

    Of course what was lost in translation is a) that the original was fantasy, not action fact, and b) the fantasy involved various forms of "qi" (i.e., magic) to make the butt-kicking plausible.

    (Also there's nothing feminist about wuxia, it's fantasy about magical princesses.)

    Replies: @C. Van Carter

    Or handicapped people, which unlike “butt-kicking babes” is actually entertaining.

  141. guest says:
    @Stan Adams
    @guest

    Her escape scene isn't that unrealistic, as far as action-babe scenes go:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evJ-XVrI4Js

    The prison guards are all flabby wimps. When she runs into a real adversary - Ahh-nold - she freaks out and runs away, just like a little girl.

    She flakes out when she tries to shoot Dyson at close range - she can't do it.

    When she gets stabbed, she "takes it like a man" because the survival of her son is at stake. It's the maternal instinct - protect your offspring at all costs.

    Replies: @guest

    They may be flabby, but they’re not shown to be wimps, though the doctor is. Their flabbiness shouldn’t make it easier for her to overpower them, though it might make it easier for her to outrun them.

    The fact that she cowers from Arnold is neither here nor there, because he’s not a man at all.

    She flakes out eventually, but she would’ve killed Dyson if not for the freak accident of the remote-controlled car. How many non-professional females could get as close as she did? I guess she had training, but we don’t really know how much, how intensive it was, nor how competent were her teachers.

    As for maternal instinct, I suppose you’re right.

  142. @Corvinus
    @neutral

    "If anything, this could get more women harmed because there might be a few foolish enough to think they can take on a man in a fight instead of when the sensible thing is to run."

    Relax, it's only a movie. Most women who watch "GRRL POWR" films realize that the story and action sequences are escapist fare and that they lack the muscle mass, fighting techniques, and training to mimic the characters.

    Replies: @EriK, @SteveRogers42

    This military G0-grrrlll didn’t realize it until it was much, much too late:

    And SHE was the one who laid down the challenge!

    • Replies: @Anon
    @SteveRogers42

    That's just cruel. When dumb women talk crap, best to ignore them.

    , @Corvinus
    @SteveRogers42

    "This military G0-grrrlll didn’t realize it until it was much, much too late:"

    At least she got into the ring. Would you against him?

    Replies: @SteveRogers42, @Bel Riose

  143. @prosa123
    Two women cops in Tampa tussle with a thug outside a transit station, transit workers have to intervene to save their pathetic posteriors:

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ee8_1494290230

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

    ELDERLY transit workers…

  144. Every now and again you find a true buttkicking babe – a 21st century Freydis, terror of the Skraelings.

    Andrea had hard edges, dense muscle, looked more or less like the postmodern comic book heroine, like some mad scientist put Angelina Jolie’s torso and head on Scarlet Johansen’s bottom half..

    “She was always my protector, had beaten up—even knocked out—numerous men for hitting on me. There is something frightening about her, the way she snarls under her breath when she punches. She was the total cockblocker—such a savage, but looks good. Guys think they’re just going to walk her off or whatever and she’s got this major retard strength and an unhinged lust to hurt people—it is truly terrifying.”

    https://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=7628

  145. @jim jones
    @jimbojones

    Sicario was a great movie spoilt by the fact that they just had to have a token female

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    jim, My two youngest daughters, 30 and 28, love “Sicario”. They question why there even was a female character. Movie stands without Kate.

  146. @Lovernios X
    @neutral

    Most men in the real world cannot do what the male action heroes do. The amount of physical damage done to a human body in these films, the beatings, the falls, the gunshots, the knife wounds would be fatal in most cases. I always get a kick (get it?) out of the hero being unable to fight back until he is almost beaten to death. Then he calls up his reserve and thrashes the villain.

    All you have to do is watch boxing or MMA to see what really happens when you get punched square in the face: you go down. And that's with padded gloves.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Love, I agree with what you wrote but in MMA the padded gloves also keep you from breaking a knuckle or finger. So hard to throw punches if you have a broken knuckle.

  147. Didn’t see this in the comments, so here goes…it really doesn’t matter if you can throw a punch. What matters is that you can take a punch. Prime example, Rhonda Rousey, ESPN and SI’s female athlete of the millennium, gets knocked the F##k out by the first two fighters she meets that can throw real punches, and no she can’t take a punch.

  148. HA says:
    @SteveRogers42
    @Steve Sailer

    I would have gone with Honor Blackman in Goldfinger, who surprises Sean Connery with some Oriental leverage tricks in 1964:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpi01yFHpEg

    Fun starts about 1:00.

    Replies: @HA

    “I would have gone with Honor Blackman in Goldfinger,…”

    No, while it’s true that Diana Rigg was not the original female crime-fighting muscle, Honor Blackman’s earlier stint in the Avengers preceded both Goldfinger and Diana Rigg’s Emma Peel. The latter was her replacement.

    Dr. Cathy Gale is a fictional character, played by Honor Blackman, on the 1960s British series The Avengers. She was the first regular female partner of John Steed …made her first appearance at the start of the series’ second season in 1962….Initially, Gale was one of several rotating partners who worked with Steed…[but by] the third season…she was Steed’s only partner.

    …Cathy Gale was considered a trail-blazing female character…. Her later mode of dress – a leather outfit designed to make it easier for Gale to fight – started a fashion trend, as did her wearing of what were dubbed “kinky boots”. (The term became a catch phrase and Honor Blackman and her co-star Patrick Macnee even recorded a moderately popular single entitled “Kinky Boots”.) The influence of Cathy Gale could be felt in productions on both sides of the Atlantic… as well as the character that succeeded her in The Avengers, Emma Peel.

    Blackman left the series after its third season in order to co-star in the James Bond film Goldfinger. She was replaced by actress Diana Rigg as Emma Peel.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathy_Gale

    It’s also worth noting that Wonder Woman was introduced two decades earlier by William Moulton Marston as “psychological propaganda for the new type of woman who should, I believe, rule the world.”

    • Replies: @HA
    @HA

    Oh, and to add a slew of iSteve connections far too juicy and numerous to pass mention, his home state of California was actually named after a much earlier sci-fi heroine, Calafia, the warrior queen of a tribe of beautiful black Amazons whose 500 griffins were trained to kill any man they encountered, and who was initially persuaded to fight in support of Muslims against the Christians of Constantinople. The Spanish novel in which she appears, Las sergas de Esplandián, was written about 1500.


    [After a catastrophic miscalculation regarding the griffins] Calafia led a picked group of women warriors to attack a city gate...a general melee ensued, Calafia throwing knights from their horses and taking great blows on her shield...The next day, Calafia duels with King Amadis...[and eventually surrenders to the Christians and accepts Christianity as the one true faith and] marries...a large and handsome knight who fought with her outside the city gate; similarly, her sister Liota marries Maneli, Talanque's companion in arms. The women return to California with their husbands to establish a new dynasty complete with both sexes, as a Christian nation.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calafia

    Cervantes cited the novel as being one of the frivolous romances that pushed Don Quixote over the edge and set him to questing.

    To top all this off, there is even an architecture connection -- a highly regarded mural of Calafia in the Mark Hopkins hotel is by Maynard Dixon, husband of Dorothea Lange (whose iconic photographs of Depression-era destitute whites are more famous than anything her husband produced). Dixon was born to an aristocratic Confederate family from Virginia who came to California after the Civil War.

    , @SteveRogers42
    @HA

    Since you mention Wonder Woman, some of these panels from the '40's are eye-poppin':

    http://www.superdickery.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/wwbind.jpg

    http://www.superdickery.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/ww-4-obediance.jpg

    http://www.superdickery.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/ww_28_the_basic_moral.jpg

    http://www.superdickery.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/ww_03_they_want_to_be_slaves.jpg

    Sufferin' Sappho!

    Replies: @HA

  149. @SteveRogers42
    @Chrisnonymous

    Upon further review of T2, Linda plays it as close to reality as possible:

    1. She breaks off a piece of mop handle, then ambushes the pudgy perv watchman, slashing down across his right temple/cheek with a full 2-handed stroke, then breaks the stick over the back of his head. It's easier to get knocked out if you don't see it coming.

    2. Then she surprises the next guard and distracts him by throwing keys at his face to get his hands up, then delivers three upward "bayonet" jabs with a PR-24 into his solar plexus. As he doubles over, she comes up hard with the baton under his jaw. This is classic Fairbairn/Applegate stuff from WW2 OSS training, when chix like Linda were trained and dropped behind Axis lines to liaise with Resistance forces.

    3. When backing down the hall with Dr. Silverman as a shield, an unarmed guard grabs her right arm and yanks her away from him. With her right arm held, Linda pivots and strikes him on the jaw with a heel-of-he-hand blow, which staggers him and enables her to push him to the ground with a 2-handed shove. again, this is classic Fairbairn.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Wake#Wartime_service_and_Special_Operations_Executive

    At this point, with the element of surprise no longer on her side,Linda sees the opportunity to
    make a run for it, and does so. This is pretty much an ideal portrayal of realistic female self-defense: Where everything goes right, she is able to create enough time and space to flee.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux

    James Cameron is really smart about how things work.

  150. HA says:
    @HA
    @SteveRogers42

    "I would have gone with Honor Blackman in Goldfinger,..."

    No, while it's true that Diana Rigg was not the original female crime-fighting muscle, Honor Blackman's earlier stint in the Avengers preceded both Goldfinger and Diana Rigg's Emma Peel. The latter was her replacement.


    Dr. Cathy Gale is a fictional character, played by Honor Blackman, on the 1960s British series The Avengers. She was the first regular female partner of John Steed ...made her first appearance at the start of the series' second season in 1962....Initially, Gale was one of several rotating partners who worked with Steed...[but by] the third season...she was Steed's only partner.

    ...Cathy Gale was considered a trail-blazing female character.... Her later mode of dress - a leather outfit designed to make it easier for Gale to fight - started a fashion trend, as did her wearing of what were dubbed "kinky boots". (The term became a catch phrase and Honor Blackman and her co-star Patrick Macnee even recorded a moderately popular single entitled "Kinky Boots".) The influence of Cathy Gale could be felt in productions on both sides of the Atlantic... as well as the character that succeeded her in The Avengers, Emma Peel.

    Blackman left the series after its third season in order to co-star in the James Bond film Goldfinger. She was replaced by actress Diana Rigg as Emma Peel.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathy_Gale

    It's also worth noting that Wonder Woman was introduced two decades earlier by William Moulton Marston as "psychological propaganda for the new type of woman who should, I believe, rule the world."

    Replies: @HA, @SteveRogers42

    Oh, and to add a slew of iSteve connections far too juicy and numerous to pass mention, his home state of California was actually named after a much earlier sci-fi heroine, Calafia, the warrior queen of a tribe of beautiful black Amazons whose 500 griffins were trained to kill any man they encountered, and who was initially persuaded to fight in support of Muslims against the Christians of Constantinople. The Spanish novel in which she appears, Las sergas de Esplandián, was written about 1500.

    [After a catastrophic miscalculation regarding the griffins] Calafia led a picked group of women warriors to attack a city gate…a general melee ensued, Calafia throwing knights from their horses and taking great blows on her shield…The next day, Calafia duels with King Amadis…[and eventually surrenders to the Christians and accepts Christianity as the one true faith and] marries…a large and handsome knight who fought with her outside the city gate; similarly, her sister Liota marries Maneli, Talanque’s companion in arms. The women return to California with their husbands to establish a new dynasty complete with both sexes, as a Christian nation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calafia

    Cervantes cited the novel as being one of the frivolous romances that pushed Don Quixote over the edge and set him to questing.

    To top all this off, there is even an architecture connection — a highly regarded mural of Calafia in the Mark Hopkins hotel is by Maynard Dixon, husband of Dorothea Lange (whose iconic photographs of Depression-era destitute whites are more famous than anything her husband produced). Dixon was born to an aristocratic Confederate family from Virginia who came to California after the Civil War.

  151. The true goal is to get moviegoers to see large, muscular men in dresses as just as attractive as slender women. Then they can just have tranny buttkicking babes in all these roles.

    All action movies are implausible when the action is considered as action. What gives them a veneer of plausibility is the psychology of the character revealed through the action. That’s why Roger Moore’s 007 was a joke compared to Sean Connery’s, and it’s why vulnerable yet tough performances like Terminator or Alien are more effective than modern “I’m a man” female action roles.

    The problem is that you can’t make a trend out of a couple of early female action lead standouts. Note how both were in the sci-fi genre, where suspension of disbelief is going on throughout, and presumably used as cover (and technology leverages human ability anyway). Personally I think that’s the wrong approach, that you shouldn’t strain credulity any more than absolutely necessary; shows that you don’t respect your subject matter. “Relax, it’s only sci-fi.”

    And one does wonder how many movies and TV shows today’s girls have watched in which they’re assured that they can kick the ass of any man, just so long as he’s clearly marked as evil.

    “As he cut off my only path to escape, he made a racist remark. Then a sexist one. That’s when I knew I’d be okay.”

    If it is equality you seek get a knife. How hard is that?

    It’s very hard on leftist delusions about self-actualization (see the excellent 1984 quote above).

    Chris, if I recall correctly, I tried to watch that movie, and in the first five minutes somebody blew a hole bigger than a basketball in a wall with a shotgun, and I turned it off immediately.

    “You can believe in flying cars but not that a woman can knock out a man!?”
    They’d sneer.

    Pretty much.

    This is precisely what I was getting at about sci-fi, above. The idea seems to be, “this subject matter doesn’t deserve respect, it’s silly all the way down!” I think it’s best to go the other way, nail down human nature as best you can, so people don’t come to share the widespread contempt for the genre. Seeing human nature depicted accurately helps sell the ray guns.

    The popularity of the kickass action heroine movie marks a new low in Hollywood misogyny, pushing the standard feminist line that women are worthless unless they turn themselves into fake men.

    They’re in good feminist company. Feminists tossed childbearing (and rearing), which is easily the female trump card.

    Chinese fantasy always involves kids, old people and sick people kicking butt.

    Yeah east Asian culture is yuuuge into the self-actualization stuff. Leftists lap that stuff up.

    • Replies: @Tacitus
    @Svigor

    Tranny buttkicking from 1994.

    https://youtu.be/L2ISHUk_k1Y

  152. I was thinking the other day how the buttkicking babe thing is a big part of why we can’t have nice fight cinematography anymore. Women are pretty bad at moving in a non-cute/non-dorky way, so as the buttkicking babe phenomenon’s star has risen, so has the incomprehensible fight scene’s.

    The irony is, women would have integrated much better into 1960s style fight choreography. Watch James Garner’s (somebody’s anyway) Godawful phoned-in karate chop in The Great Escape, and it’s pretty easy to imagine a chick pulling it off with just as much authority. Or wait, maybe it was Shaw or Miller’s Godawful chop in Force 10 From Navarone, it’s all burring together now.

    I don’t know how this actually empowers them, in the real world most women will not be able to do what these movies are trying to portray. If anything, this could get more women harmed because there might be a few foolish enough to think they can take on a man in a fight instead of when the sensible thing is to run.

    Or maybe guys who watch too many movies and think women really can take as much punishment as men (and both can take as much punishment as movie people).

    Has Ms. Theron already forgotten starring in Aeon Flux (2005)?

    I think the world quickly and gratefully forgot that one.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    @Svigor

    Grrrr!!!

    http://www.thewallpapers.org/photo/10241/aeon_flux-012.jpg

  153. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Woman’s power is in enticement, enchantment, and manipulation. It can be more powerful than brute force. That’s why women have key roles in noir films unlike in westerns and gangster films. In Westerns, women rely on men. In gangster films, they are molls and sidekicks.
    But in noir, they use charm and allurement to control and use men.

    After all, that is the power that humans have over animals. Why are humans able to gain control of much stronger animals like horses, cows, buffaloes, elephants, and even tigers and bears in circuses? It’d be stupid for humans to fight them to show who’s boss. Humans use manipulation.

    Women need to think noir. That is the female genre.

    But maybe our culture is too dumb for noir. A comic-book-level culture has a cartoonish view of everything.

    • Agree: Travis
  154. @C. Van Carter
    @Erik L

    Scroll down:

    http://www.vintag.es/2014/02/new-york-city-of-1975.html

    Replies: @Erik L

    Wow- the guy did his research I guess

    • Replies: @C. Van Carter
    @Erik L

    The filming was nuts:

    http://www.villagevoice.com/news/remember-the-warriors-behind-the-chaotic-drug-fueled-and-often-terrifying-making-of-a-cult-classic-7607043

  155. If women want kick butt, they need to rely on brains and technology.

    Sylia Stringray uses her super-intelligence to design killer-hardsuits.

  156. prosa that is ridiculous pap. No rifle is going to break your shoulder. Plenty of people can handle the recoil. I bet you think recoil is determined by the round? Browning makes .50BMG rifles that have no recoil. All the recoil of a gun is caused by gasses leaving the barrel, just like a rocket. With a long enough barrel (so that all the gasses are fully expanded) or with an effective muzzle break, there is no recoil. It does not matter how powerful the round is. The weight of the gun also effects it.

    Yeah felt recoil has more to do with ratio of weight of gun to energy expended (or whatever the terms, not a math guy) than with bullet size. That’s why a light 20 gauge kicks way harder than a heavy 12 gauge.

    I’d love to see some video of monster rifles flying out of hands (in the direction of recoil, I assume?) and breaking shoulders of full grown men, though.

    As I said, ALL action movies are implausible when compared strictly to real life scenarios.

    Plausibility is a scale. The further you stretch it, the more likely it is to break.

    Interestingly enough, Hollywood goes in the opposite direction when it comes to guns, which are far deadlier and more powerful in movies than they are in reality. Fact is, people can go on much longer than you’d expect, with several small holes poked in their torsos. In the movies they’ve always been like death rays.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Svigor

    In the movies they’ve always been like death rays.

    Really accurate death rays, at least for the good guys. This has given people the idea that cops should be able to shoot guns out of bad guys' hands, or that you should shoot someone in the leg while he's charging you in order to stop him.

    Replies: @Logan

  157. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @SteveRogers42
    @Anon

    Ironically, despite their constant involvement in unseemly gutter fights, most female hoodrats are laughably incompetent fighters. Hair weaves get pulled out, arms flail like windmills, "Bitch" is screamed repeatedly at high volume, but no real damage is done despite the 220+ poundage of most of the contenders.

    Replies: @Anon

    Ironically, despite their constant involvement in unseemly gutter fights, most female hoodrats are laughably incompetent fighters. Hair weaves get pulled out, arms flail like windmills, “Bitch” is screamed repeatedly at high volume, but no real damage is done despite the 220+ poundage of most of the contenders.

    It doesn’t matter if they’re incompetent. If you get in the way, it’s gonna be like running into a bull run in Pamplona. It’s the sheer force that counts. Some of them ho’s are big as sumo wrestlers and defensive backs. Their fighting style may not be sweet science but it’s a tornado, or whornado.

    Back in 6th grade, my last yr at city school, the two toughest kids in my class were a Negro kid named Halva and a giantess-Negress named Juanita. She was like 6ft tall. A monster ho. She once walloped a Filipino boy who called her ‘dandruff headed bitch’. She could have used head and shoulders.

    Anyway, the most frightening fight I ever saw was between Halva and Juanita over I don’t know what. I mean it made Hearns vs Hagler look like kindergarten tussle. It made Ali vs Frazier look like two fairies slapping each other. It made Duran vs Leonard look like girls doing patty-cake.

    It was like King Kong vs Godzilla. Halva was swinging harder and landing more but the sheer size of the gargantuan ho made it a close match until a whole bunch of school staff had to split them apart. I would score it 10-8 in favor of Halva but he had to give it all against the the daughter of Kong.

    So, when I moved to suburb full of Jewish kids, it was like going from a jungle to a garden.

    This is why Jews who bitch about ‘racism’ and ‘segregation’ make me laugh. I mean they left for suburbs too, long before others did.

  158. @SteveRogers42
    @Corvinus

    This military G0-grrrlll didn't realize it until it was much, much too late:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxzd7kKm91c

    And SHE was the one who laid down the challenge!

    Replies: @Anon, @Corvinus

    That’s just cruel. When dumb women talk crap, best to ignore them.

  159. @anonymous
    Real life butt-kicking babes in MMA reached it's peak with Ronda Rousey and Holly Holm, two women who were nice to look at and actually looked like real females. The rest of the field is dominated by awful looking, tatted up imitation men who look like prison inmates. That peak of popularity they brought to the game will fade unless some other passable stars can be found. Rule of women's sports is that the participants have to be plausibly female or else no one outside of a small niche will care about it.

    Replies: @Anon

    “Real life butt-kicking babes in MMA reached it’s peak with Ronda Rousey and Holly Holm”

    I saw the clip on youtube.

    Two uglyass ho’s.

  160. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Guille
    Feminism is a movement of dissatisfied grown up tomboys, the butt-kicking babe trope is solely and squarely aimed at this minority demographic which for some reason has become the most influential demographic in the west right now. Namely grown up tomboys, or masculinized women to use a more precise term. Tomboys have it tough, except for the minority of tomboys who are full-blown lesbians they both want to compete with and desire romantic relationships with men. The problem though is that not even the most masculine women can successfully compete with men at doing masculine things and men universally prefer their more feminine peers as romantic partners over the masculinized tomboy. Did you know that 80% of female executives identified as tomboys in childhood? That even a higher percentage of active feminists identified as tomboys too? They have one advantage though, this minority subset of women are much more dominant, vocal, assertive and ambitious than their more feminine peers which is why they so successfully managed to claim leadership over other women and successfully frame their concerns the primary concerns of all womanhood.

    Feminists are often said to hate masculinity but the fact is that they adore masculinity, they envy it in men and crave it for themselves. What feminists really hate is femininity, there is no other group that despises femininity as much as feminists do. Their favorite trope of "internalized misogyny" is a projection which is made clear by the fact that it is solely aimed at women who are not ashamed of their femininity.

    We are right now living in a culture that is obsessed with catering to this subgroup of masculinized women under the false pretense that they represent the interests of the majority of women out there. Expect more movies with butt-kicking warrior women, expect more pressure on little girls to abandon their favorite toys and start participating in more rough and tumble play with the boys, expect princess dresses to be outlawed, expect feminine role models in movies to disappear under pressure from this group of zealots, expect girls being forced to play team sports such as football or rugby in elementary school, expect housewives and feminine women to be shamed for their life choices and expect men to be ferociously despised for still preferring feminine women over the masculinized tomboy who will never be happy because she can never defeat nature no matter how much she tries. Sexually antagonistic selection is a bitch. Sexually antagonistic selection is what caused the tomboy. And they will never accept the evolutionary truth about the nature of males and females in the species homo sapiens

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Anon, @dfordoom

    Feminism is a movement of dissatisfied grown up tomboys, the butt-kicking babe trope is solely and squarely aimed at this minority demographic which for some reason has become the most influential demographic in the west right now.

    No, guys like it too.

    Back in elementary school, boys and girls were into WONDER WOMAN with Linda Carter.

    One boy had a giant crush on Wonder Woman’s sister. Couldn’t stop talking about her.

    Besides, the killer goddess is a timeless trope. Artemis and Athena.

    And German mythology has the Valkyries.

    • Replies: @Anon87
    @Anon

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c8wN_cA-fQg

    Dave Chappell on Wonder Woman

  161. @Captain Tripps

    Still, Ms. Theron said these roles don’t come often enough. “I don’t think we’ve ever given women a fair shot to really have the opportunities to take on roles like these,”
     
    Milla Jovovitch wept.

    https://youtu.be/hfby7XwoBl0

    Replies: @Anon

    RESIDENT EVIL is tardo trash, but I gotta admit it’s fun. And Jovovitch looks fantastic in EXTINCTION.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    @Anon

    I bet that Salt or Mrs. Smith could take her.

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqrs0t_mr-mrs-smith-clip-come-to-daddy_shortfilms

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi3EeiD5iBk

    All sorts of cunning stunts!

    Replies: @Anon

  162. @Steve Sailer
    @Tom-in-VA

    Thanks, I was just wondering about who was the first.

    So butt-kicking babes required Oriental martial arts to be introduced into the West to add some mystery to how one person can beat another.

    Replies: @syonredux, @anonymous coward, @SteveRogers42, @Erik L

    Introduction of oriental martial arts and butt kicking babes goes back further than that

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edith_Margaret_Garrud

    • Replies: @HA
    @Erik L

    The creation-myth behind Wing Chun, the martial art Bruce Lee was taught by his mentor Yp Man, was invented by a Buddhist nun:


    The common legend as told by Yip Man[4] involves the young woman named Yim Wing-chun during the period after the destruction by the Qing government of the Southern Shaolin and its associated temples [in the middle of the 19th century].

    Having rebuffed the local warlord's marriage offer, Yim Wing-Chun said she'd reconsider the proposal if he could beat her in a fight. She soon crossed paths with a Buddhist nun named Ng Mui, who was one of the Shaolin Sect survivors, and asked the nun to teach her to fight. According to legend, Ng Mui taught Yim Wing-Chun a new system of martial art that had been inspired by the nun's observations of a confrontation between a Snake and a Crane. This then-still nameless style enabled Yim Wing-Chun to beat the warlord in a one-on-one fight.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_Chun#History
  163. @HA
    @SteveRogers42

    "I would have gone with Honor Blackman in Goldfinger,..."

    No, while it's true that Diana Rigg was not the original female crime-fighting muscle, Honor Blackman's earlier stint in the Avengers preceded both Goldfinger and Diana Rigg's Emma Peel. The latter was her replacement.


    Dr. Cathy Gale is a fictional character, played by Honor Blackman, on the 1960s British series The Avengers. She was the first regular female partner of John Steed ...made her first appearance at the start of the series' second season in 1962....Initially, Gale was one of several rotating partners who worked with Steed...[but by] the third season...she was Steed's only partner.

    ...Cathy Gale was considered a trail-blazing female character.... Her later mode of dress - a leather outfit designed to make it easier for Gale to fight - started a fashion trend, as did her wearing of what were dubbed "kinky boots". (The term became a catch phrase and Honor Blackman and her co-star Patrick Macnee even recorded a moderately popular single entitled "Kinky Boots".) The influence of Cathy Gale could be felt in productions on both sides of the Atlantic... as well as the character that succeeded her in The Avengers, Emma Peel.

    Blackman left the series after its third season in order to co-star in the James Bond film Goldfinger. She was replaced by actress Diana Rigg as Emma Peel.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathy_Gale

    It's also worth noting that Wonder Woman was introduced two decades earlier by William Moulton Marston as "psychological propaganda for the new type of woman who should, I believe, rule the world."

    Replies: @HA, @SteveRogers42

    Since you mention Wonder Woman, some of these panels from the ’40’s are eye-poppin’:

    Sufferin’ Sappho!

    • Replies: @HA
    @SteveRogers42

    Good find, but trust me, there's plenty more where that came from, and we're talking real life (polyamorous coupling with the niece of Margaret Sanger, BDSM/spanking, and PUA love-guru mind tricks of the highest order):


    Marston had a sweet thing going: two remarkably smart, adoring women to cater to his every need, each apparently believing she’d landed in feminist heaven.
     
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/11/wonder-womans-kinky-feminist-roots/380788/

    So much for woke men.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

  164. @Svigor
    I was thinking the other day how the buttkicking babe thing is a big part of why we can't have nice fight cinematography anymore. Women are pretty bad at moving in a non-cute/non-dorky way, so as the buttkicking babe phenomenon's star has risen, so has the incomprehensible fight scene's.

    The irony is, women would have integrated much better into 1960s style fight choreography. Watch James Garner's (somebody's anyway) Godawful phoned-in karate chop in The Great Escape, and it's pretty easy to imagine a chick pulling it off with just as much authority. Or wait, maybe it was Shaw or Miller's Godawful chop in Force 10 From Navarone, it's all burring together now.

    I don’t know how this actually empowers them, in the real world most women will not be able to do what these movies are trying to portray. If anything, this could get more women harmed because there might be a few foolish enough to think they can take on a man in a fight instead of when the sensible thing is to run.
     
    Or maybe guys who watch too many movies and think women really can take as much punishment as men (and both can take as much punishment as movie people).

    Has Ms. Theron already forgotten starring in Aeon Flux (2005)?
     
    I think the world quickly and gratefully forgot that one.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

    Grrrr!!!

  165. HA says:
    @Erik L
    @Steve Sailer

    Introduction of oriental martial arts and butt kicking babes goes back further than that

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edith_Margaret_Garrud

    Replies: @HA

    The creation-myth behind Wing Chun, the martial art Bruce Lee was taught by his mentor Yp Man, was invented by a Buddhist nun:

    The common legend as told by Yip Man[4] involves the young woman named Yim Wing-chun during the period after the destruction by the Qing government of the Southern Shaolin and its associated temples [in the middle of the 19th century].

    Having rebuffed the local warlord’s marriage offer, Yim Wing-Chun said she’d reconsider the proposal if he could beat her in a fight. She soon crossed paths with a Buddhist nun named Ng Mui, who was one of the Shaolin Sect survivors, and asked the nun to teach her to fight. According to legend, Ng Mui taught Yim Wing-Chun a new system of martial art that had been inspired by the nun’s observations of a confrontation between a Snake and a Crane. This then-still nameless style enabled Yim Wing-Chun to beat the warlord in a one-on-one fight.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_Chun#History

  166. HA says:
    @SteveRogers42
    @HA

    Since you mention Wonder Woman, some of these panels from the '40's are eye-poppin':

    http://www.superdickery.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/wwbind.jpg

    http://www.superdickery.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/ww-4-obediance.jpg

    http://www.superdickery.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/ww_28_the_basic_moral.jpg

    http://www.superdickery.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/ww_03_they_want_to_be_slaves.jpg

    Sufferin' Sappho!

    Replies: @HA

    Good find, but trust me, there’s plenty more where that came from, and we’re talking real life (polyamorous coupling with the niece of Margaret Sanger, BDSM/spanking, and PUA love-guru mind tricks of the highest order):

    Marston had a sweet thing going: two remarkably smart, adoring women to cater to his every need, each apparently believing she’d landed in feminist heaven.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/11/wonder-womans-kinky-feminist-roots/380788/

    So much for woke men.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    @HA

    Paradise Island, indeed!

  167. @HA
    @SteveRogers42

    Good find, but trust me, there's plenty more where that came from, and we're talking real life (polyamorous coupling with the niece of Margaret Sanger, BDSM/spanking, and PUA love-guru mind tricks of the highest order):


    Marston had a sweet thing going: two remarkably smart, adoring women to cater to his every need, each apparently believing she’d landed in feminist heaven.
     
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/11/wonder-womans-kinky-feminist-roots/380788/

    So much for woke men.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

    Paradise Island, indeed!

  168. @Anon
    @Captain Tripps

    RESIDENT EVIL is tardo trash, but I gotta admit it's fun. And Jovovitch looks fantastic in EXTINCTION.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VVEAkYlA8o

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

    I bet that Salt or Mrs. Smith could take her.

    All sorts of cunning stunts!

    • Replies: @Anon
    @SteveRogers42

    No way.

    Milla can kick their ass.

  169. @Guille
    Feminism is a movement of dissatisfied grown up tomboys, the butt-kicking babe trope is solely and squarely aimed at this minority demographic which for some reason has become the most influential demographic in the west right now. Namely grown up tomboys, or masculinized women to use a more precise term. Tomboys have it tough, except for the minority of tomboys who are full-blown lesbians they both want to compete with and desire romantic relationships with men. The problem though is that not even the most masculine women can successfully compete with men at doing masculine things and men universally prefer their more feminine peers as romantic partners over the masculinized tomboy. Did you know that 80% of female executives identified as tomboys in childhood? That even a higher percentage of active feminists identified as tomboys too? They have one advantage though, this minority subset of women are much more dominant, vocal, assertive and ambitious than their more feminine peers which is why they so successfully managed to claim leadership over other women and successfully frame their concerns the primary concerns of all womanhood.

    Feminists are often said to hate masculinity but the fact is that they adore masculinity, they envy it in men and crave it for themselves. What feminists really hate is femininity, there is no other group that despises femininity as much as feminists do. Their favorite trope of "internalized misogyny" is a projection which is made clear by the fact that it is solely aimed at women who are not ashamed of their femininity.

    We are right now living in a culture that is obsessed with catering to this subgroup of masculinized women under the false pretense that they represent the interests of the majority of women out there. Expect more movies with butt-kicking warrior women, expect more pressure on little girls to abandon their favorite toys and start participating in more rough and tumble play with the boys, expect princess dresses to be outlawed, expect feminine role models in movies to disappear under pressure from this group of zealots, expect girls being forced to play team sports such as football or rugby in elementary school, expect housewives and feminine women to be shamed for their life choices and expect men to be ferociously despised for still preferring feminine women over the masculinized tomboy who will never be happy because she can never defeat nature no matter how much she tries. Sexually antagonistic selection is a bitch. Sexually antagonistic selection is what caused the tomboy. And they will never accept the evolutionary truth about the nature of males and females in the species homo sapiens

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Anon, @dfordoom

    Feminists are often said to hate masculinity but the fact is that they adore masculinity, they envy it in men and crave it for themselves. What feminists really hate is femininity, there is no other group that despises femininity as much as feminists do.

    Feminism is the worship of toxic masculinity. Feminists idolise masculinity but they don’t understand it, so their attempts to emulate it always emphasise the wrong things. The result is a toxic fake masculinity.

  170. @EriK
    @Corvinus


    Relax, it’s only a movie. Most women who watch “GRRL POWR” films realize that the story and action sequences are escapist fare and that they lack the muscle mass, fighting techniques, and training to mimic the characters.
     
    Seems like the chick that got laid out by Joe Mixon didn't get the memo.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoTXImRJS2k

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Seems like the chick that got laid out by Joe Mixon didn’t get the memo.”

    Dude, she wasn’t “fighting” him. She pushed him, and he punched her in the face. Is that how you handle your business?

    Of course she should have not made that move in the first place, and he should have walked away. But maybe you’re the type of “man” who thinks they have it coming.

  171. @SteveRogers42
    @Corvinus

    This military G0-grrrlll didn't realize it until it was much, much too late:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxzd7kKm91c

    And SHE was the one who laid down the challenge!

    Replies: @Anon, @Corvinus

    “This military G0-grrrlll didn’t realize it until it was much, much too late:”

    At least she got into the ring. Would you against him?

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    @Corvinus

    Have done so. Many a time. He's just a guy. No special skills. Probably goes about 190.

    What I wouldn't do is talk $#!t to the point that my mouth was writing checks my ass couldn't cash.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Bel Riose
    @Corvinus

    Don't confuse stupidity with courage.

  172. @SteveRogers42
    @Anon

    I bet that Salt or Mrs. Smith could take her.

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqrs0t_mr-mrs-smith-clip-come-to-daddy_shortfilms

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi3EeiD5iBk

    All sorts of cunning stunts!

    Replies: @Anon

    No way.

    Milla can kick their ass.

  173. @Whiskey
    Honor Blackman preceded Dianna Rigg on the Avengers. Fun fact, McNees first partner was a man.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Harry Baldwin

    Honor Blackman actually earned a brown belt in karate, so at least she looked like she knew what she was doing. Diana Rigg was never convincing.

  174. @dfordoom
    Years ago in her book From Reverence to Rape Molly Haskell pointed out that Hollywood movies of the 30s and 40s were more genuinely interested in women as women than the movies of later supposedly more enlightened eras.

    The popularity of the kickass action heroine movie marks a new low in Hollywood misogyny, pushing the standard feminist line that women are worthless unless they turn themselves into fake men.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    My late mother-in-law had Turner Classics on all the time so I saw a lot of those 1930s and 1940s movies. The actresses in them come off as having much stronger personalities than the actresses I see in movies today, who generally seem wimpy when they’re not kicking male butt.

  175. @guest
    @Chrisnonymous

    "As I said. ALL action movies are implausible when compared strictly to real life scenarios"

    I don't expect them to be strictly realistic, but I would like them to be consistent. If everyone in the story can fly without aid of aircraft, okay. It's a story about flying people. But if only the men can fly and the women can't, I'd wonder why. If the movie doesn't tell me, it's probably not a very good movie.

    Terminator 2 features time travel and passable cyborgs. Okay. The rest is supposed to be more or less like real life, or a heightened action movie version of it. The basic laws of physics, for instance, aren't suspended at will. (Exceptions made for the Rule of Funny, the Rule of Cool, and the Rule of Awesome.)

    The original Terminator had a supersoldier character in Kyle Reese, who was significantly tougher than any other human. But that was explained, in that he was born into a world of Total War with murderous machines. They don't explain why the sequel suddenly takes place in a world where women are significantly stronger relative to men.

    I guess there's a partial explanation in that Sarah Connor knows bad things are coming and has trained. But just look at her. She's more toned than in the last movie, but she has very little muscle mass. I know I could beat her up, and it's not fun to watch her physically dominate large men.

    If they gave her superpowers, or something, that'd be different. But she's the same ordinary Sarah Connor from the first one, only now she's been traumatized, knows more about fighting, and is a little crazy.

    Replies: @syonredux

    I suggest that you read SteveRogers42 comment at 131. He provides an excellent analysis of Sarah Connor’s moves in T2. Really, by the standards of contemporary action films, her scenes are quite realistic.

  176. @SteveRogers42
    @Chrisnonymous

    Upon further review of T2, Linda plays it as close to reality as possible:

    1. She breaks off a piece of mop handle, then ambushes the pudgy perv watchman, slashing down across his right temple/cheek with a full 2-handed stroke, then breaks the stick over the back of his head. It's easier to get knocked out if you don't see it coming.

    2. Then she surprises the next guard and distracts him by throwing keys at his face to get his hands up, then delivers three upward "bayonet" jabs with a PR-24 into his solar plexus. As he doubles over, she comes up hard with the baton under his jaw. This is classic Fairbairn/Applegate stuff from WW2 OSS training, when chix like Linda were trained and dropped behind Axis lines to liaise with Resistance forces.

    3. When backing down the hall with Dr. Silverman as a shield, an unarmed guard grabs her right arm and yanks her away from him. With her right arm held, Linda pivots and strikes him on the jaw with a heel-of-he-hand blow, which staggers him and enables her to push him to the ground with a 2-handed shove. again, this is classic Fairbairn.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Wake#Wartime_service_and_Special_Operations_Executive

    At this point, with the element of surprise no longer on her side,Linda sees the opportunity to
    make a run for it, and does so. This is pretty much an ideal portrayal of realistic female self-defense: Where everything goes right, she is able to create enough time and space to flee.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux

    Top-notch analysis.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    @syonredux

    Thank you, sir.

  177. @Corvinus
    @SteveRogers42

    "This military G0-grrrlll didn’t realize it until it was much, much too late:"

    At least she got into the ring. Would you against him?

    Replies: @SteveRogers42, @Bel Riose

    Have done so. Many a time. He’s just a guy. No special skills. Probably goes about 190.

    What I wouldn’t do is talk $#!t to the point that my mouth was writing checks my ass couldn’t cash.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @SteveRogers42

    "Have done so. Many a time. He’s just a guy. No special skills. Probably goes about 190."

    Right, just a guy serving in our military.

    "What I wouldn’t do is talk $#!t to the point that my mouth was writing checks my ass couldn’t cash."

    Like you're doing now, Internet Warrior Toughguy?

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

  178. @syonredux
    @SteveRogers42

    Top-notch analysis.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

    Thank you, sir.

  179. @Svigor
    The true goal is to get moviegoers to see large, muscular men in dresses as just as attractive as slender women. Then they can just have tranny buttkicking babes in all these roles.

    All action movies are implausible when the action is considered as action. What gives them a veneer of plausibility is the psychology of the character revealed through the action. That’s why Roger Moore’s 007 was a joke compared to Sean Connery’s, and it’s why vulnerable yet tough performances like Terminator or Alien are more effective than modern “I’m a man” female action roles.
     
    The problem is that you can't make a trend out of a couple of early female action lead standouts. Note how both were in the sci-fi genre, where suspension of disbelief is going on throughout, and presumably used as cover (and technology leverages human ability anyway). Personally I think that's the wrong approach, that you shouldn't strain credulity any more than absolutely necessary; shows that you don't respect your subject matter. "Relax, it's only sci-fi."

    And one does wonder how many movies and TV shows today’s girls have watched in which they’re assured that they can kick the ass of any man, just so long as he’s clearly marked as evil.
     
    "As he cut off my only path to escape, he made a racist remark. Then a sexist one. That's when I knew I'd be okay."

    If it is equality you seek get a knife. How hard is that?
     
    It's very hard on leftist delusions about self-actualization (see the excellent 1984 quote above).

    Chris, if I recall correctly, I tried to watch that movie, and in the first five minutes somebody blew a hole bigger than a basketball in a wall with a shotgun, and I turned it off immediately.

    “You can believe in flying cars but not that a woman can knock out a man!?”
    They’d sneer.

    Pretty much.
     
    This is precisely what I was getting at about sci-fi, above. The idea seems to be, "this subject matter doesn't deserve respect, it's silly all the way down!" I think it's best to go the other way, nail down human nature as best you can, so people don't come to share the widespread contempt for the genre. Seeing human nature depicted accurately helps sell the ray guns.

    The popularity of the kickass action heroine movie marks a new low in Hollywood misogyny, pushing the standard feminist line that women are worthless unless they turn themselves into fake men.
     
    They're in good feminist company. Feminists tossed childbearing (and rearing), which is easily the female trump card.

    Chinese fantasy always involves kids, old people and sick people kicking butt.
     
    Yeah east Asian culture is yuuuge into the self-actualization stuff. Leftists lap that stuff up.

    Replies: @Tacitus

    Tranny buttkicking from 1994.

  180. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor

    prosa that is ridiculous pap. No rifle is going to break your shoulder. Plenty of people can handle the recoil. I bet you think recoil is determined by the round? Browning makes .50BMG rifles that have no recoil. All the recoil of a gun is caused by gasses leaving the barrel, just like a rocket. With a long enough barrel (so that all the gasses are fully expanded) or with an effective muzzle break, there is no recoil. It does not matter how powerful the round is. The weight of the gun also effects it.
     
    Yeah felt recoil has more to do with ratio of weight of gun to energy expended (or whatever the terms, not a math guy) than with bullet size. That's why a light 20 gauge kicks way harder than a heavy 12 gauge.

    I'd love to see some video of monster rifles flying out of hands (in the direction of recoil, I assume?) and breaking shoulders of full grown men, though.

    As I said, ALL action movies are implausible when compared strictly to real life scenarios.
     
    Plausibility is a scale. The further you stretch it, the more likely it is to break.

    Interestingly enough, Hollywood goes in the opposite direction when it comes to guns, which are far deadlier and more powerful in movies than they are in reality. Fact is, people can go on much longer than you'd expect, with several small holes poked in their torsos. In the movies they've always been like death rays.

    Replies: @anon

    In the movies they’ve always been like death rays.

    Really accurate death rays, at least for the good guys. This has given people the idea that cops should be able to shoot guns out of bad guys’ hands, or that you should shoot someone in the leg while he’s charging you in order to stop him.

    • Replies: @Logan
    @anon

    People exist who can do astonishing things with firearms. Including women, such as Annie Oakley.

    But doing so is a knack, usually reinforced with thousands of hours of practice.

  181. @Corvinus
    @SteveRogers42

    "This military G0-grrrlll didn’t realize it until it was much, much too late:"

    At least she got into the ring. Would you against him?

    Replies: @SteveRogers42, @Bel Riose

    Don’t confuse stupidity with courage.

  182. @prosa123
    Women can be more capable of physical things than one might imagine. In this amazing video from (IINM) South Africa, a 15-year-old girl, not even a grown woman, handles a ridiculously powerful rifle like a champion. The overwhelming majority of fit, strong adult men could not even hope to manage such a beast of a firearm, if they were lucky they'd be knocked over and have the rifle go flying out of their hands, if unlucky they'd suffer shoulder fractures.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uje8GYzJ1OM

    Peter

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Expletive Deleted, @NickG

    For those wondering what she said after her shooting evolution, she said in Afrikaans ‘N bietjie seer maar baie lekker’ which translates as ‘A bit sore but great fun!

  183. @SteveRogers42
    @Corvinus

    Have done so. Many a time. He's just a guy. No special skills. Probably goes about 190.

    What I wouldn't do is talk $#!t to the point that my mouth was writing checks my ass couldn't cash.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Have done so. Many a time. He’s just a guy. No special skills. Probably goes about 190.”

    Right, just a guy serving in our military.

    “What I wouldn’t do is talk $#!t to the point that my mouth was writing checks my ass couldn’t cash.”

    Like you’re doing now, Internet Warrior Toughguy?

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    @Corvinus

    Do you ever make it to the Pacific NW? If so, we could train together sometime.

    You'd have to sign a waiver, though.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  184. @anon
    @Svigor

    In the movies they’ve always been like death rays.

    Really accurate death rays, at least for the good guys. This has given people the idea that cops should be able to shoot guns out of bad guys' hands, or that you should shoot someone in the leg while he's charging you in order to stop him.

    Replies: @Logan

    People exist who can do astonishing things with firearms. Including women, such as Annie Oakley.

    But doing so is a knack, usually reinforced with thousands of hours of practice.

  185. @Corvinus
    @SteveRogers42

    "Have done so. Many a time. He’s just a guy. No special skills. Probably goes about 190."

    Right, just a guy serving in our military.

    "What I wouldn’t do is talk $#!t to the point that my mouth was writing checks my ass couldn’t cash."

    Like you're doing now, Internet Warrior Toughguy?

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

    Do you ever make it to the Pacific NW? If so, we could train together sometime.

    You’d have to sign a waiver, though.

    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @SteveRogers42

    "Do you ever make it to the Pacific NW? If so, we could train together sometime."

    That would be great. I have hiked the Skyline Trail Loop.

    "You’d have to sign a waiver, though."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vimZj8HW0Kg

  186. @Steve Sailer
    @yaqub the mad scientist

    Nobody lifted weights in the 1970s.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Anon87

    I thought Eastwood did, although secretly. Could have sworn I read cocky Arnold squeezed his bicep once, only to be surprised at how much muscle Clint had. I think Easwood tried not to make a big deal out of it.

  187. @Wilkey
    Whenever I see a butt-kicking babe in the movies now I instantly think of the Andy Samberg SNL sketch where he dresses up as a superhero and instantly gets his ass kicked. I won't post a link, but Google it and you won't be disappointed.

    If SNL weren't so damn PC they'd do a sequel with a would-be butt-kicking babe who gets the crap kicked out of her by, oh, Keith Richards.

    Replies: @Anon87

    They kind of already did (I can’t find the full clip, but you get the point. He pummels her for another 5 minutes to make the point about how dumb butt kicking babes are)

  188. @Anon
    @Guille

    Feminism is a movement of dissatisfied grown up tomboys, the butt-kicking babe trope is solely and squarely aimed at this minority demographic which for some reason has become the most influential demographic in the west right now.

    No, guys like it too.

    Back in elementary school, boys and girls were into WONDER WOMAN with Linda Carter.

    One boy had a giant crush on Wonder Woman's sister. Couldn't stop talking about her.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKm1X60nW4w

    Besides, the killer goddess is a timeless trope. Artemis and Athena.

    And German mythology has the Valkyries.

    https://youtu.be/YC6f8FbnVMQ?t=1m6s

    Replies: @Anon87

    Dave Chappell on Wonder Woman

  189. @SteveRogers42
    @Corvinus

    Do you ever make it to the Pacific NW? If so, we could train together sometime.

    You'd have to sign a waiver, though.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Do you ever make it to the Pacific NW? If so, we could train together sometime.”

    That would be great. I have hiked the Skyline Trail Loop.

    “You’d have to sign a waiver, though.”

  190. Same boring kick-butt in fantasy women. Yawn.

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