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From the New York Times news section:
‘Kill the Boer’ Song Fuels Backlash in South Africa and U.S.
Right-wing commenters claim that an old anti-apartheid chant is a call to anti-white violence, but historians and the left-wing politician who embraces it say it should not be taken literally.
By John Eligon
John Eligon attended the rally in Johannesburg where a political leader made the controversial chant
John Eligon is a veteran New York Times reporter assigned to covering and stoking racist anti-white hate.
Aug. 2, 2023
The political rally was winding down when the brash leader of a leftist South African party grabbed the microphone and began to stomp and chant. Thousands of supporters joined in, and when he reached the climax, they pointed their fingers in the air like guns.
“Kill the Boer!” Julius Malema chanted, referring to white farmers. The crowd in a stadium in Johannesburg on Saturday roared back in approval.
A video clip of that moment shot across the internet and was seized upon by some Americans on the far right, who said that it was a call to violence.
Unlike Julius Malema who is definitely not on the far left in South Africa.
That notion really took off when Elon Musk, the South African-born billionaire who left the country as a teenager, chimed in.
“They are openly pushing for genocide of white people in South Africa,” Mr. Musk, who is white, wrote on Monday on Twitter, the platform he now controls.
In recent years, people on the right in South Africa and the United States, including former President Donald J. Trump, have seized on attacks on white farmers to make the false claim that there have been mass killings.
There has been stochastic terrorism against white farmers as described in Disgrace, the Nobel-winning novel by J.M. Coetzee about black violence against South African farmers. When the African National Congress protested, Coetzee, a long time leftist fled into exile in Australia.
Mr. Malema leads the Economic Freedom Fighters, a party that advocates taking white-owned land to give to Black South Africans. That has made his embrace of the chant all the more disturbing to some whites.
It would seem reasonable to describe EFF as the Far Left of South African politics, with 11% of the seats in the National Asssembly. But then former ANC prime minister Jacob Zuma frequently sang “Kill the Boer” too.
Despite the words, the song should not be taken as a literal call to violence, according to Mr. Malema and veterans and historians of the anti-apartheid struggle. It has been around for decades, one of many battle cries of the anti-apartheid movement that remain a defining feature of the country’s political culture.
The chant was born at a time when Black South Africans were fighting a violent, racist regime, and was made popular in the early 1990s by Peter Mokaba, a former youth leader in the African National Congress. But the A.N.C., the liberation party that has governed South Africa since the beginning of multiracial democracy nearly 30 years ago, distanced itself from the song in 2012 — the same year it expelled Mr. Malema for his incendiary statements.
The term “stochastic terrorism” makes sense for explaining the frequent murders of whites.
Similarly, he said, the phrase “kill the Boer” — the word means farmer in Dutch and Afrikaans — is not meant to promote violence against individual farmers. “It was a call to mobilize against an oppressive system,” Mr. Ngqulunga said.
Nomalanga Mkhize, a historian at Nelson Mandela University, said of the chant: “Young people feel that it rouses them up when they sing it today. I don’t think that they intend it to mean any harm.”
But John Steenhuisen, the white leader of the Democratic Alliance, South Africa’s main opposition party, filed charges this week against Mr. Malema at the United Nations Human Rights Council, and claimed, without providing evidence, that “brutal farm murders continue to escalate in the wake of Malema’s demagoguery.”
Analysts say that Mr. Steenhuisen is eager to placate white South Africans, who might be attracted to parties to his right, ahead of elections next year.
Mr. Malema, who thrives on provocation, projected a blasé attitude toward the criticism. “Bring it on small boy,” he wrote in a Tweet to Mr. Steenhuisen.
Asked during a news conference on Wednesday about Mr. Musk’s comment, Mr. Malema responded: “Why must I educate Elon Musk? He looks like an illiterate. The only thing that protects him is his white skin.”
In other news, while “Kill the Boer” is not to be taken literally, the New York Times takes Jason Aldeans’ Not In Small town” very much on the nose:
Protest Scene Removed From Jason Aldean ‘Try That in a Small Town’ Video
A news clip of a Black Lives Matter protest in Atlanta was edited out of the music video after criticism that the song and video were offensive.
By Remy Tumin
July 26, 2023The music video for the song “Try That in a Small Town” by the country music star Jason Aldean appears to have been edited to remove violent images of Black Lives Matter protests after criticism that the song and the accompanying video were offensive.
The updated video, six seconds shorter than the original, no longer includes video clips from Fox News in Atlanta showing police violence against protesters during Black Lives Matter protests in 2020. However, the video is still set at a Tennessee courthouse that was the site of a lynching, and it includes other clips of criminal activity and clashes between protesters and the police.
Portions of the Fox News clip appeared twice in the original music video, first projected against the exterior of the courthouse as Aldean sings about actions that he claims would not be tolerated in a small town: “carjack an old lady,” “cuss out a cop,” “stomp on the flag.”
The removed clip was filmed in Atlanta during the nationwide protests that followed the murder of George Floyd in May 2020. The demonstrations grew so tense in Atlanta that the city’s mayor urged protesters to go home, and the governor of Georgia declared a state of emergency.
Country Music Television stopped airing the video last week, but did not confirm that it had done so in response to backlash against the song. The network and Mr. Aldean’s record label, BBR Music Group, did not immediately respond to requests for comment on Wednesday. In a statement to The Washington Post, which reported the changes to the video, BBR said that “the video footage was edited due to third-party copyright clearance issues.” …
State Representative Justin Jones of Tennessee, a Democrat, condemned the song on Twitter, describing it as a “heinous song calling for racist violence” that promoted “a shameful vision of gun extremism and vigilantism.
The general impression that blacks are too incompetent to mass kill the white geese the lay the golden eggs no matter how vicious are their views is widely shared. My guess is that it’s mostly true that black on white murders will largely be the work of the disproportionate number of black psychos. But will it alway be true?
What would the ADL say about a sizable party whose theme song is “Kill the Jew”?
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He’s black, drat it. I want them to send a white guy like Nicholas Kristof to a “kill the Boor” event.
Don't know if Kristof is a Jew, but send a Jew who thinks he isn't "white" to test out that theory.Replies: @International Jew, @Art Deco, @Frau Katze
“The general impression that blacks are too incompetent to mass kill the white geese the lay the golden eggs no matter how vicious are their views is widely shared.”
If you look at history, Brits have killed far more Boers than Blacks have. And they were the first to throw Afrikaans under the bus to make apartheid collapse.
( Yeah, I know the correct plurals: Boere and Africaner).
Kinda like how “Black Lives Matter” shouldn’t be interpreted to suggest black lives matter more than other lives.
Of course, it won't be long before they're saying it themselves. But, well, until then...
Koos Van der Merwre warned that it would come to this, as he was packing for Perth.
Well the Rwanda genocide of 1994 was sure pulled off by blacks.
By 1994 the total population of Rwanda was less than 6M. The number of Tutsis was less than 600K. The official narrative claims that around half a million Tutsis were killed in the so-called genocide. Yet the Tutsis (of whom allegedly only 100K should have survived) emerged victorious against more than 5M machete wielding murderous Hutus, and an anglophile Tutsi became president in a francophone country, and still is in that position. It just doesn't add up. The official narrative is mathematically and logically impossible.
Fact is, during the alleged genocide of the Tutsi by the Hutu, the entire Hutu leadership including the president and the female prime minister were killed, the CIA-backed Tutsi front won the war, and their head became the leader of the country. If there ever was a genocide, it was that of the hapless Hutu elite. The mainstream narrative is impossible to believe in.Replies: @Anonymous
The media noise machine is a great manufactory of malicious humbug.
Black versus white conflicts seem to follow a pattern of a slow war of attrition rather than the sudden paroxysm model which seems to fixate many.
Rather than a full on outright conflict, blacks seem to be very adept a gradually, slowly, slowly wearing down their antagonists by incessant continual acts of criminality and violence. The rational response, the one taken by whites, is simply to up sticks and move far far away from blacks.
All this hints at another aspect of the black character, their sheer irrepressibility and survival instincts – and the strong atavistic tribal instinct to force out the aliens amongst them as they intuit that aliens are a threat to their survival.
In a nutshell, that’s why all the predictions made by 19th century thinkers about the eventual extinction of black Africans and their ultimate displacement by whites are/were completely wrong.
Blacks would be more than happy to have the aliens (Whites) around them indefinitely, so long as the Blacks are able to prey on them. It is the aliens who seek separation to avoid the predation.
For as long as I've been alive, Blacks have constantly moved away from their own kind and into areas that are predominantly populated by aliens in hope of living better lives. It is true that once they achieve critical mass in their new locale, they reproduce the conditions (principally, and abundance of predatory behavior and a lack of any activity requiring ability to work in the present to benefit in the future) they recently escaped.
Blacks in South Africa aren’t playing any sort of long game, really. At least most of them aren’t. They are just being savages.
It will be very interesting to see what disaster the coming decade or so brings to South Africa, and what excuses the Left makes for it. And will Western nations take in whites trying to flee the South African collapse, or will we just allow them to die?
Or even ‘kill the Bore’.
Are “tense” demonstrations mostly peaceful?
The last time we heard about black/Filipino Justin Jones he was getting his scrawny ass thrown out of the legislature with two other idiots.
Old fat white woman and two young black guys…you would usually have to hit PornHub for this kind of photo!
The general impression that blacks are too incompetent to mass kill the white geese the lay the golden eggs
Maybe too incompetent to mass kill them, but Zimbabwe is a shining example of how blacks are perfectly capable of driving all the competent white people out of the neighborhood, and South Africa seems well on its way towards the same fate.
PS: You'll probably see it first, but in case not, for when you wake up, Steve, there's an obvious typo in the title - "Isn'y"Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @YetAnotherAnon
I am hardly on left but it is simply a right-wing trope.Replies: @HammerJack, @pyrrhus
It seems like Oppenheimer really gets worked up at the prospect of an Indian business and political network taking root in South Africa but he is not at all bothered if the foundation of the South Africa economy keeps on emigrating.
OT — Hugh Hewitt is many things, some admirable and a few laughable, but one of the most rewarding reasons to listen to him is his book recommendations (which have their own website): right now he is interviewing Christopher Rufo about his new book America’s Cultural Revolution, which promises extensive biographical detail and history about 60s-70s radicalism (pair with Bryan Burroughs’ Days of Rage). I will post the interview transcript when Dwayne finishes his macrame.
Well, I just went to see, and at CRB there’s a recent review by Helen Andrews of a book on the demise of South Africa. https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/look-back-in-anger/
It’s interesting to me that virtually everything the most backward-looking, Broederbond-belonging, descended-from-the-trekboers Afrikaner predicted if the country were turned over to the blacks has come to pass: mass violence and corruption – check! Crumbling infrastructure-check. Intertribal strife- check. Thanks, PJ Botha!
Someone who knows: where are the the English-speaking whites in all this mess- leaving in droves, I’d guess?
Yes, there are risks there, but never forget that in Afrika there are no "blacks". "Black" is an American social construct, because of the American slave driving racist culture iSteve represents. All americans are slaves, thus Americans, white and black alike, are mostly lumpens.
African blacks, are always black something: Venda, Xhosa, Zulu, Igbo, whatever. They have roots, they have tribal and family allegiances, they make shithole countries but these are their countries. There is some order, and some continuity, while american lumpen folks are, in the words of iSteves buddy Cole, unsalvageable.
So, Anglos govern that order in SA, and having a good time worth the security risks for them.Replies: @Lurker
When I was an undergraduate friends asked why, as a chap with liberal views, I didn’t protest against Apartheid. (That’s “liberal” in the sense of liberal, not in the American sense of illiberal fascistic bastard.)
My answer was that I disliked apartheid but was confident that I’d also dislike whatever replaced it.
Seems I was right. Though I confess that it took longer than I expected. I dare say some of the credit for that must go to Mandela.
Britons and Europeans who (rightly) object to our misuse of the term should reflect on the fact that he is still one of the most admired of Americans across the Pond. But that's one of the benefits that "fighting fascism abroad in order to impose it at home" gets you.
That’s really great! Now we can resurrect those stirring German anthems from 1933-45 that for some reason have not been played for decades!
That was an excellent comparison of how the Lyin’ Press does their thing, and both from the NY Times no less! I’ll add that the comparison is not quite apples-to-apples in that singing that your people will defend themselves if the others come to loot and burn ≠ singing that your people should simply up and kill the others. Then, I read:
Sometime during those decades one’s fight or flight instinct ought to kick in. I know, the farm is well-kept and been in the family for 6 generations and the place is beautiful. Either kill this black government or GTFO. That’s your choice in what WAS the long run, but is not anymore.
With the black-run incompetence and corruption, things there were going 3rd-World* gradually but now they are going 3rd-World (or worse) suddenly now. That’s how it works. It’ll be a real mess. That “Kill the Boer” thing is nothing to joke about.
I wonder how Mr. Eligon and Mr. Tumin would feel if we bloggers some up with a harmless chant of our own: Kill the New York Times reporters. C’mon guys, lighten up, we’ve been blogging that for decades!
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* See a long article by a guy who recently visited S. Africa after having moved out well before the takeover – SOUTH AFRICA AT WAR WITH ITSELF and As Falls South Africa, so Falls America?.
See, a coal miner gets laid off, tough, but a journalist laid off is a tragedy.
White person killed, that’s tough too, but a black person killed is an opportunity.
Well, you know, “there’s more than what you thought”….
Granted, nobody cuts the Captain, but still. There is still room for negotiation if the parties would only consent to clarity (probably not, ga…) The joggers cannot survive without the Boer. Plain and simple: Cannot. It is the height of silliness to think that they can.
So: joggers can decline/fade back thru starvation into naturally-supportable jogger numbers, under which they can keep on jogging until the chongs take the whole place over, — not in the jogger plan, but then, joggers are not famous for forethought — or else you cut a deal with the Boer and sh#t your jogger mouths about it.
Works for me, either way: like I said, Nobody cuts tha Captain.
is not entirely honest. The essential ingredient is not its random nature, but its incitement of unknown persons. In modern language it is more accurate to call it “crowdsourced terrorism”.
Maybe too incompetent to mass kill them, but Zimbabwe is a shining example of how blacks are perfectly capable of driving all the competent white people out of the neighborhood, and South Africa seems well on its way towards the same fate.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Mactoul, @AbeLincoln, @anonymous
I was about to reply to that same quote. I agree with you here, Peter, but I don’t discount competent black mass killing either. We might want to reread the history regarding what happened to the Frenchmen of Haiti 220 years ago.
PS: You’ll probably see it first, but in case not, for when you wake up, Steve, there’s an obvious typo in the title – “Isn’y”
“The general impression that blacks are too incompetent to mass kill the white geese the lay the golden eggs no matter how vicious are their views is widely shared.”
Interesting but no mea culpa from the writer, a Zionist Jew who fought apartheid and then emigrated to San Diego.
Kill the Boers?
A Certain Demographic may wish to Kill the Sikhs:
https://twitter.com/realJoelFischer/status/1686739544631037952?s=20
Before the Sikhs kill them.
Immigrants: Doing the jobs Americans won’t do.
Yeah, I can buy that. When blacks sing “fuck the police,” it just rouses them up. The song’s been around for decades. Obviously it doesn’t imply they have a bad attitude towards the police.
On Topic — Who Is Kimberly Crenshaw?
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Isn’y? Not isn’t? Is this Steve’s inner goodwhite?
With the black-run incompetence and corruption, things there were going 3rd-World* gradually but now they are going 3rd-World (or worse) suddenly now. That's how it works. It'll be a real mess. That "Kill the Boer" thing is nothing to joke about.
I wonder how Mr. Eligon and Mr. Tumin would feel if we bloggers some up with a harmless chant of our own: Kill the New York Times reporters. C'mon guys, lighten up, we've been blogging that for decades!
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* See a long article by a guy who recently visited S. Africa after having moved out well before the takeover - SOUTH AFRICA AT WAR WITH ITSELF and As Falls South Africa, so Falls America?.Replies: @Redneck Farmer, @Anonymous, @John Milton’s Ghost
MBS DID NOTHING WRONG.
MBS DID NOTHING WRONG. Repeat as necessary.
With the black-run incompetence and corruption, things there were going 3rd-World* gradually but now they are going 3rd-World (or worse) suddenly now. That's how it works. It'll be a real mess. That "Kill the Boer" thing is nothing to joke about.
I wonder how Mr. Eligon and Mr. Tumin would feel if we bloggers some up with a harmless chant of our own: Kill the New York Times reporters. C'mon guys, lighten up, we've been blogging that for decades!
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* See a long article by a guy who recently visited S. Africa after having moved out well before the takeover - SOUTH AFRICA AT WAR WITH ITSELF and As Falls South Africa, so Falls America?.Replies: @Redneck Farmer, @Anonymous, @John Milton’s Ghost
And where are they all supposed to go, and how? Unlike what Western media keeps trying to imply, the vast majority of white South Africans don’t live in any kind of opulence. Plenty are struggling. For farmers, often everything they have is tied up in the farm, which is not worth as much as it once was, with the constant threats of land grab and brutal massacre hanging over it. We’re talking millions of people. Highly skilled young people can get out easily, but what are all the rest supposed to do, especially the middle aged and the elderly? Or the many younger people who are reluctant to leave their aging family members helpless in that kind of situation? Yes, many South Africans are bizarrely stubborn about never leaving whatever the cost, but for those who’d like to, it’s really not as simple as people make it out to be.
Fight or flight - it's been 3 decades. The forming of the little town of Orania shows some hope, but there'd have to be a mass exodus to somewhere defensible and with a willingness to defend it, something still politically suspect. There are countries that have taken some White S.A.'s in, and many have emigrated in small numbers.*
BTW, opulence, hell! (I know that's not your view.) Read the article by Witkin I linked to see how bad it's getting for the White people there.
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* Goes to show you an example of something. As we get the mass immigration of black Africans, and yes, it's big and both legal and illegal, we get tribal political groups that help the others come in. It's a politically travesty that there has not been such a thing for White S.Africans to come to America. (I know some English ones - not sure if I've met any Boers. The numbers are low.)
What impresses me is the ability of the Times to put together two articles of word salad and use it to convince readers Aldean is the next Hitler, basically . And the white folks in S.A are doing just fine , damn right wing conspiracy theorists!
They should have never allowed South Africa to be taken over . Did their white guilt stop once Apartheid ended ? I suppose the queen felt good about it , maybe killing enough whites washed away all of that guilt the good whites were feeling ?
Then, there was the massive external political pressure. I was around then. The anti-Apartheid political protest movement was 2nd only to the unilateral disarmament/anti-nuke movement in size at the time, both of the ctrl-left, of course. That stuff was everywhere, in American and the West in general - a personal anecdote.
You're right though, they shouldn't have caved. As with all of these types of events, it's not like there weren't large masses of people who knew what a big mistake* this was. They were all dragged down together, and they're nearing the bottom.
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* Or "evil move", one might put it - not a mistake by all involved.
I’ve helped South Africans flee that country, and know several others who have moved to America.
Those leave who are able to leave, others are stuck due to illiquid assets or shortage of means to escape.
Other destinations are Commonwealth countries such as New Zealand, Australia, Canada and decreasingly England with its own challenges.
So did Nelson Mandela. Plus he actually helped kill them.
“Kill the white people, but buy my record first” young Eddie Murphy, old SNL.
Well, the existence of the ADL and innumerable other Jewish groups and individuals fighting to protect and promote the Jewish people would almost certainly ensure that this never happened. But, to answer your question, if by some miracle a sizable party sang a song titled “Kill the Jew,” these groups and individuals would mobilize all of their resource and bring untold additional resources to bare to destroy that party and anyone associated with them.
In other words, identity politics works.
You either have a team, or you’re a victim.
Many years ago, I went to see a lecture at a local church by a libertarian anti-apartheid activist named Leon Louw. After the lecture I went up to him and started talking to him. When he found out I was a fellow libertarian, he invited me to come to his hotel the next morning and have breakfast with him.
He said a lot of the support for the apartheid system actually came from the leftist white controlled South African labor unions. They wanted the higher paid or easier jobs reserved for them and have the low paid unpleasant jobs done by the blacks. The economist Walter Williams has written about this too.
He didn’t think this system of having the blacks being the Morlocks for the whites would end up well for the whites in the long run, any more than it had in H.G. Wells The Time Machine. His solution was a heavily decentralized system, something like the Swiss canton system, with the white parts of the country being mostly autonomous. I don’t think this would have been enough, though. The whites should have set up a completely separate white majority country when they had the chance. It’s too late for that now.
He would be welcomed, per Wikipedia, “Archbishop Desmond Tutu of South Africa described Kristof as an “honorary African” for shining a spotlight on neglected conflicts in the continent.”
Don’t know if Kristof is a Jew, but send a Jew who thinks he isn’t “white” to test out that theory.
He’s a very gullible guy.
I work with a bunch of refugees from the South African nuclear program, both white and mixed, here in the Middle East. I’ve been warning them for years that they should be selling out and not looking back.
Of course, it took me years to break my ties with California so I understand the pull of loyalty to the land. It held me back from breaking away from an impending collapse.
Think the white South Africans will qualify for “refugee” status in the US?
Maybe too incompetent to mass kill them, but Zimbabwe is a shining example of how blacks are perfectly capable of driving all the competent white people out of the neighborhood, and South Africa seems well on its way towards the same fate.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Mactoul, @AbeLincoln, @anonymous
South Africa has been this way for a generation and still a going concern.
I am hardly on left but it is simply a right-wing trope.
If you need to interpret something to suggest something not written, you are no longer talking about the literal interpretation
Maybe too incompetent to mass kill them, but Zimbabwe is a shining example of how blacks are perfectly capable of driving all the competent white people out of the neighborhood, and South Africa seems well on its way towards the same fate.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Mactoul, @AbeLincoln, @anonymous
The revolution in Hati needs more exposure. Not sure how organized the blacks were there but my understanding is that they mass killed the whites.
Maybe too incompetent to mass kill them, but Zimbabwe is a shining example of how blacks are perfectly capable of driving all the competent white people out of the neighborhood, and South Africa seems well on its way towards the same fate.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Mactoul, @AbeLincoln, @anonymous
Oppenheimer is the CEO of the biggest company in South Africa. Years back he managed to destroy the Gupta brothers, close down the well-established London PR firm of Bell Pottinger helping the bothers by using the phrase “white monopoly capital”, and for good measure give the boot to a local office of McKinsey which was led by an Indian partner. The New York Times article does on taking down McKinsey in South Africa goes on for thousands and thousands of words so Oppenheimer certainly has the ability to get them to write.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/26/world/africa/mckinsey-south-africa-eskom.html
It seems like Oppenheimer really gets worked up at the prospect of an Indian business and political network taking root in South Africa but he is not at all bothered if the foundation of the South Africa economy keeps on emigrating.
“Throw the Jew down the well so my country can be free.”
I recall when some people on the 'net thought this was funny over 15 years ago, nobody had heard of the jerk, so excusable then, but not now.Replies: @Ben Kurtz
“John Eligon is a veteran New York Times reporter covering and stoking racist anti-white hat.”
“Fear of an anti-white hat” sounds like a CB4 album…
He said a lot of the support for the apartheid system actually came from the leftist white controlled South African labor unions. They wanted the higher paid or easier jobs reserved for them and have the low paid unpleasant jobs done by the blacks. The economist Walter Williams has written about this too.
He didn't think this system of having the blacks being the Morlocks for the whites would end up well for the whites in the long run, any more than it had in H.G. Wells The Time Machine. His solution was a heavily decentralized system, something like the Swiss canton system, with the white parts of the country being mostly autonomous. I don't think this would have been enough, though. The whites should have set up a completely separate white majority country when they had the chance. It's too late for that now.Replies: @Hail, @Sleep, @JR Ewing
Or too early.
And kinda like how bloody blm/antifa riots were “mostly peaceful protests,” while some goof-balls wandering around the capitol on 1/6 were a near mortal threat to “our democracy.”
OT:
Previously Steve speculated the mind of Michael Milken being behind takeovers of the Dodgers and later Clippers with Magic Johnson as the front man and the media not wanting to ask questions with infamous NBA journo insider Adrian “Woj” Wojnarowski quoted as saying:
“Magic Johnson is the ultimate cleanser in sports, and steering a Clippers sale to him could be transformative for the franchise.”
In reference to why the team was for sale in the wake of the whole controversy with Donald Sterling’s demands of his biracial retainer “girlfriend” to not take so many pictures of herself smiling with black NBA players.
Well, the former Redskins now Commanders have finally found a buyer to replace the reprehensible Dan Snyder. Synder is a pretty awful human being on all counts (Though his real crime is being too uncouth about it and cheating his NFL partners hiding profits) and made his money through essentially fraud. Nobody will argue otherwise, he even sicced the Simon Wiesenthal Center on a newspaper after they published a satirical depiction of him as a devil.
Just like the Clippers, there is Magic Johnson as a prominent “partner” in the sale and led by an alumni of the Junk Bond days at Drexel Burnham Lambert, dare we call him one of Michael Milken’s proteges? Josh Harris.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Harris_(businessman)
Harris’ wiki page is also a clear testament to Steve’s contention of the junk bond saga being an example of “identity group liberation movement”. Imagine going from elementary school to high school through to Wharton and then Harvard with your best friend?
In essence there have been few who have committed more offesives against society both in terms of his direct actions and his imitators than Michael Milken. But nobody gets the joke about replacing the comparatively lower level fraudster of Synder with a Milken alum like Harris who has overseen billions in PE assaults on society. But nobody gets the joke.
He is even non-trivially connected to Epstein. His pal Leon Black (Also a Drexel junk bond alum) even gave $158 million to Epstein for “tax advice” while CEO of the hedge fund he was also a high up in. Uhhh. Where’s the media? The terrible being replaced by the worse.
This is a song for anybody like me who has both sailor blood and railroad blood in their veins…
If you ever knew a line like “Daddy, I hate to go. Mama ain’t got a dime.”
then you know what I mean.
Too late, too late, too late…
cheerio,
The MacArthur Park Limited
So it’s only institutional racism.
It’s all just envy for these people.
What would they do after they’d killed all the whites? Can you imagine American blacks running their own country? Imagine if all the whites and Asians disappeared, and blacks were the only ones left in the US. What would they do after they’d finished looting all the stores?
Recently the oldest one, who is about to graduate high school, said to me, “Dad, I don’t think you are as wrong about blacks as I used to think.”
It was quite a compliment and something I’ve very proud of him for coming to understand.Replies: @Joe Stalin
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Right, like the Romans, what has Elon Musk ever accomplished? If only he had the benefit of Jacob Malema’s advice and education he might have made something of himself.
https://www.africanews.com/2023/08/03/south-africa-malema-and-elon-musk-tear-each-other-apart-on-an-anti-apartheid-song/
This seems like important subtext and helps explain Steve's elections excerpt.Wikipedia has a summary of South African political parties.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_South_Africa
These links give more information.
https://theconversation.com/south-africa-votes-in-2024-could-a-coalition-between-major-parties-anc-and-eff-run-the-country-204141
https://ewn.co.za/2023/04/26/national-coalition-made-up-of-opposition-parties-highly-unlikely-poll
The last link above calls out power cuts as an important electoral issue.
https://african.business/2023/07/economy/south-africas-energy-transition-faces-political-roadblocks
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/01/25/south-africa-energy-crisis-corruption-anc/Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
He said a lot of the support for the apartheid system actually came from the leftist white controlled South African labor unions. They wanted the higher paid or easier jobs reserved for them and have the low paid unpleasant jobs done by the blacks. The economist Walter Williams has written about this too.
He didn't think this system of having the blacks being the Morlocks for the whites would end up well for the whites in the long run, any more than it had in H.G. Wells The Time Machine. His solution was a heavily decentralized system, something like the Swiss canton system, with the white parts of the country being mostly autonomous. I don't think this would have been enough, though. The whites should have set up a completely separate white majority country when they had the chance. It's too late for that now.Replies: @Hail, @Sleep, @JR Ewing
Yes, that would have been interesting. I can imagine that today we’d be reading stories about how the tiny white ethnostate was repressing the development of the entire continent of Africa. And Im not sure who would come to their aid if they were invaded … even in colonial days the European powers were sometimes reluctant to bail out colonists facing organized African armies. Hopefully, reality would set in and the other nations of southern Africa would accept them for who they were … just another group of people trying to provide a good standard of living and plan for the future.
Paywall bypass for first NYT article:
‘Kill the Boer’ Song Fuels Backlash in South Africa and U.S.
https://archive.li/pucd2
Bypass not available (yet?) for second article.
That does sound like a win-win.
Right, like the Romans, what has Elon Musk ever accomplished? If only he had the benefit of Jacob Malema's advice and education he might have made something of himself.Replies: @res, @HammerJack, @International Jew
More on that (BTW, Julius not Jacob).
https://www.africanews.com/2023/08/03/south-africa-malema-and-elon-musk-tear-each-other-apart-on-an-anti-apartheid-song/
This seems like important subtext and helps explain Steve’s elections excerpt.
Wikipedia has a summary of South African political parties.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_South_Africa
These links give more information.
https://theconversation.com/south-africa-votes-in-2024-could-a-coalition-between-major-parties-anc-and-eff-run-the-country-204141
https://ewn.co.za/2023/04/26/national-coalition-made-up-of-opposition-parties-highly-unlikely-poll
The last link above calls out power cuts as an important electoral issue.
https://african.business/2023/07/economy/south-africas-energy-transition-faces-political-roadblocks
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/01/25/south-africa-energy-crisis-corruption-anc/
You cannot have a country or state with a white minority and black majority with an apartheid type of system. The white minority will be gradually murdered and driven off. That is why white minorities have always either become embattled and instituted an apartheid type of society, or ceased to exist (dwindled to background levels of gated elites)
https://s.abcnews.com/images/International/gloria-johnson-justin-jones-justin-pearson-usa-jt-230407_1680908028223_hpMain_16x9_992.jpg
Old fat white woman and two young black guys...you would usually have to hit PornHub for this kind of photo!Replies: @Nachum
Do I recall correctly that one or more of them isn’t straight?
ChatAI weights in.
Meanwhile: From Moon of Alabama.
Their making sure to tell us that Musk is white even though he’s from Africa reminded me of the Seinfeld episode where Elaine could’t tell if her boyfriend was black or white:
Approaching Darryl’s apartment, Elaine hears loud rap music being played, and smiles knowingly.
Elaine, as Darryl opens his door: “Hey.”
Darryl: “Hey.”
Elaine: “Great music.”
Darryl: “Oh, it’s my neighbor. They blast that stuff twenty four hours a day. I hate it.”
Darryl: “Yo, you! Turn it down!”
Elaine, seeing carved masks on the wall: “Oh, wow, these are nice. Do they have any cultural significance?”
Darryl: “They’re… African.”
Elaine: “Right. African.”
Darryl: “Well, not Africa, actually. South Africa.”
Elaine, more and more unsure: “South Africa.”
Darryl: “My family used to live there, but, uh, we got out years ago, for obvious reasons. You know how it is.”
Elaine: “Maybe.”
Darryl, by the way, turns out to be a nice, non-racist white guy…whose family had to get out of South Africa for “obvious reasons.” Try putting *that* on TV today.
I am having problems using youtube for anything right now, so I'll try to remember to embed a 4-minute encapsulation of this in another place, hopefully on topic.
The real ruling class in this world has always had a blaze and non-urgent mentality about sub-Saharan violence and criminality, whether you’re talking about South Africa or Chicago.
Their attitude is that they’re just stupid snack pack throwers (H/T Tommy) who can’t aim anyway. So while they might cause localized damage in a “sprint not marathon” sense, that they’re too stupid and short sighted to be able to cause real long term existential damage to anything that anyone really cares about. Too, most of their violence is within and among themselves.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, J6 freaks the ruling class out way more than, e.g. the EFF.
Personally, I wish I could be so insouciant about black African violence, and maybe the ruling class is right about a lot of things in being so insouciant. Me, though, I just can’t.
https://www.africanews.com/2023/08/03/south-africa-malema-and-elon-musk-tear-each-other-apart-on-an-anti-apartheid-song/
This seems like important subtext and helps explain Steve's elections excerpt.Wikipedia has a summary of South African political parties.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_South_Africa
These links give more information.
https://theconversation.com/south-africa-votes-in-2024-could-a-coalition-between-major-parties-anc-and-eff-run-the-country-204141
https://ewn.co.za/2023/04/26/national-coalition-made-up-of-opposition-parties-highly-unlikely-poll
The last link above calls out power cuts as an important electoral issue.
https://african.business/2023/07/economy/south-africas-energy-transition-faces-political-roadblocks
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/01/25/south-africa-energy-crisis-corruption-anc/Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
All you need to know about post-Apartheid South African politics:
We need to take in the South African farmers who want to come to America.
I’m happy leftists and communists are now more brazen about exactly what they want to do to us. Might wake some people up for once.
NYTs wants plaasmoorde in America just like in South Africa …….”try that in a small town” is self-defense, which they hate…….buy firearms and ammo , stay strapped.
They had Orania, no? But didn’t they still employ black labor?
Well, he’s not. He’s mainstream. Hell, he’d be mainstream in our current Democratic Party. Reparations are already mainstream.
Farmers are dispersed by definition– South Africa has never had collective farms, at least not white South Africa. So slipping in the word “mass” here is the author’s dishonesty, unless he has quotes with that word to back himself up.
Killing farmers one or two at a time steadily over the years does add up. You don’t have to wait till they congregate in a Tiananmen Square.
What’s with the subjunctive? They pretty much already believe that.
Commenter Colin Wright recently suggested that “white privilege” analysis is receding because it was making the ADL-types nervous. Has anybody else noticed (there’s that word again!) the same?
Also missed is that Malema is indifferent to open borders on immigration so long as those people are blacks. To most black South Africans this is very unpopular and the throngs of people who crossed the deliberately under-guarded Zimbabwean border (Due to ideological reasons of ANC support for Mugabe) in the 90s and the continuing high rates of immigration until fairly recently when some efforts were made to clamp down. (Which produced howls from the white middle and upper middles classes and indifference to celebration from actual black South Africans)
District 9 was actually about “xenophobia” in South Africa (Which was particularly a buzz word and issue at the time the original short-film was made) and the intense annoyance black South Africans felt after the end of Apartheid and their struggle to obtain socio-economic advancement being undermined by all these foreigners from alien ethnic groups. There’s a taboo, obviously, against calling it “racism”. (Even if the same race, “racism” is commonly used for any kind of ethnic discrimination)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophobia_in_South_Africa
But the dumb Western media found that too complicated somehow so instead it was supposedly about Apartheid despite the obvious immigration allegory of the aliens. But Blomkamp was himself to blame for bowing to their demands and changing the setting to 1982 unlike the original which is set in the then present in the early 2000s. But the lack of any fellow-feeling between township blacks and the “Prawns” is still made clear as well as them having to bare the brunt of having to actually live near them and their criminality.
In District 9, the short film original and real life, it’s middle and upper middle class white liberals who are always bemoaning the horrors of “xenophobia” and the most actually unprivileged blacks in South Africa who just want foreign young shiftless men to go away and stop putting pressure on their already tough lives.
The vox-pops of the township blacks complaining about the “aliens” (Immigrants) make this very clear.
PS: You'll probably see it first, but in case not, for when you wake up, Steve, there's an obvious typo in the title - "Isn'y"Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @YetAnotherAnon
and also “whose these song is “Kill the Jew””, I think “these” should be “theme”.
PS: You'll probably see it first, but in case not, for when you wake up, Steve, there's an obvious typo in the title - "Isn'y"Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @YetAnotherAnon
Also the Hutus in Rwanda were no slouches when it came to “cutting down the tall trees”, a reference to the Tutsis.
The part about "competence in mass killing" makes one think about organizational skills, but in the case of the millions killed - mostly by machete - in Rwanda, I'm not even sure there was much organization to it. Once other Hutus got the idea in their heads, it was just mass running amok, another incident of MRA, per newly-suggested UN terminology.
The head of the UN, a Portuguese fellow, has just coined the term Global Boiling to replace "Climate Crisis!" or "Climate Calamity™". Back some decades the Sci-Fi books used to portray the head of the UN as a wise, knowledgable, scientific technocrat. WTF happened? The UN is not hiring their best.
As I understand it the main defense against the claim that white farmers are being targeted is that while it’s true a lot are dying, that’s simply a consequence of the sky high murder rate in South Africa, and black farmers are dying at the same rate. This is a plausible quantitative claim that in principle could be definitively answered, although given the state of SA I’m not holding my breath for reliable stats.
With the black-run incompetence and corruption, things there were going 3rd-World* gradually but now they are going 3rd-World (or worse) suddenly now. That's how it works. It'll be a real mess. That "Kill the Boer" thing is nothing to joke about.
I wonder how Mr. Eligon and Mr. Tumin would feel if we bloggers some up with a harmless chant of our own: Kill the New York Times reporters. C'mon guys, lighten up, we've been blogging that for decades!
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* See a long article by a guy who recently visited S. Africa after having moved out well before the takeover - SOUTH AFRICA AT WAR WITH ITSELF and As Falls South Africa, so Falls America?.Replies: @Redneck Farmer, @Anonymous, @John Milton’s Ghost
I remember in the days of pre-Musk Twitter, the platform administrators started blocking all responses of “learn to code” to laid-off journalists. That of course had been Obama’s line when he worked to kill coal.
See, a coal miner gets laid off, tough, but a journalist laid off is a tragedy.
White person killed, that’s tough too, but a black person killed is an opportunity.
Whenever South Africa comes up never forget that
South Africa is the future the “nation of immigrants”, “must have immigration!” minoritarian zealots are planning for you.
It may seem remote now–depending on where you live. But if you just do the math on current trends–1.6 white TFR, Biden waving a couple million extra “refugees” each year on top of legal–and assume Africans will figure out the scam and become larger and larger share (esp. as Latin American fertility has dropped to replacement) then we would shoot right past “Brazil” and be headed toward “South Africa” by the end of the century.
When you have monstrous crazed people pushing their monstrous ideology … the results will indeed be monstrous.
Fixed it for them.
Of course, it won’t be long before they’re saying it themselves. But, well, until then…
Most certainly not.
Orania is a precisely a rejection of the cheap-labor (slavery, serfdom, immigration!) model that has been the scourge of humanity, in favor of the republican model of a hard working free people.
Orania is what South Africa could have been if the Boer 300 years ago had no succumbed to the lure of cheap labor and stuck with doing their own work and settled the land themselves. (Essentially the original American, Canadian, Australian model outside the American South.)
And it is the sort of partition (separation)–offering a lot of hard work but a real future–that the Afrikaners should have insisted upon instead of ending apartheid with the multi-racial “democracy” model pushed by the West–i.e. utopian fantasy.
The folks in Orania are heroes. And I’m sure they are well armed … but unfortunately the needed scale just isn’t there and I’m afraid in the long run this will end in mass slaughter and rape.
Malema is friends with certain types of Whites.
https://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2023-07-28-eff-not-ashamed-to-associate-with-alleged-cigarette-smuggler-adriano-mazzotti-malema/
https://www.citizen.co.za/news/south-africa/father-and-son-picture-of-malema-with-fraudster-mazzotti-leaves-ndlozi-fuming/
Hey, Steve, off topic but the Veritasium guy, Derek Muller, has just posted today a 34 minute video on IQ here.
It strikes me as pretty balanced and accurate, though some of the usual shibboleths do creep in on occasion.
With a PhD is physics education, and a youtube science content channel with 15 million subscribers and over 2 billion views, Muller is obviously a smart guy, but even he gets nervous taking his first IQ test as part of the video, or at least he pretends to be nervous. It’s pretty hilarious actually.
His score, which you don’t find out till the end, is, as you might expect, not too much of a surprise.
> What would the ADL say about a sizable party whose theme song is “Kill the Jew”?
Before I answer, remind me: Who is doing the singing (killing, necklacing, whatever), and to whom is the singing/killing/necklacing being done?
“Try that in a small town” is idiotic, because it’s been happening in small towns everywhere all the time. White Americans are being sent to the slaughterhouse same as White South Africans, only White Americans are dumber and think this is some kind of joke, and drink Bud light and watch “Barbie” and “Oppenheimer” in the meantime.
They’d love it. Stoking “anti-semitism” is what the ADL lives for. In fact, there’s probably some Jew working on a song with that title right now.
P.S. “whose these”? Huh?
That’s true, [f]Art. But they still want to kill whitey for incoherent reasons.
And didn’t he think Elaine was Mexican, before they realized they were “just” a white couple, and then turn on “Mad About You” or something?
"I guess so."
"Want to go to The Gap?
"Yes!"
It goes without saying that Eligon himself is against killing the Boer.
Doesn’t it?
Someone who knows: where are the the English-speaking whites in all this mess- leaving in droves, I’d guess?Replies: @seminumerical, @Thelma Ringbaum
A great many whites left in the first decade or so. I know South Africans whose relatives are now in Australia, New Zealand, England, Scotland, the U.S., and Canada. They were the ones inclined to leave and who could afford to.
Those remaining include the tough nuts who don’t want to leave and of the few I know personally who do want to go, they can’t afford to, or are deemed too old to immigrate by their desired destination country.
The poverty amongst elderly white people is no less painful than amongst the coloureds and black. A retired school teacher asked me if he could put up a wooden shelter in my back garden for 250 rand per month ($13.39 United States dollars per month rent). It was all he could afford. I have seen dozens in the same boat. A blind 80-year-old friend of mine died of cancer in a boarding house room that had no toilet. While he was alive he ate eggs and vegetables boiled in his electric kettle. Interestingly, he had a Ph.D. in plant biology from UCLA.
One migration that is happening is whites leaving the more dangerous provinces for the Western Cape. I have met some, e.g., a middle-aged middle-class saleswoman fleeing crime. They are driving up property prices, and rents where I live.
The Western Cape has a highly Westernized “coloured” population. Lawyers, pharmaceutical lab workers, hotel managers, and medical doctors to name a few that I know personally. And yes, blotches of gangster-ridden bad neighbourhoods (very like what I saw in Chicago and Baltimore). They are the largest population in the Western Cape, and though many voted ANC I have been hearing grumbling from their lower middle classes for a decade about “what this country needs is some big Boer policemen.” Or, “we used to have jobs!”
We are all taking the load shedding in stride (load shedding is planned blackouts, on a schedule). Sometimes in stage 6, the power is off 10 hours a day, in bursts of either two or four hours. You have to leave your freezer closed or you will lose all your meat and fish. Those who can afford that I mean. A lot of poor people live on cornmeal, sour milk, and spinach.
If you really want to understand South African politics, and the current situation, read the recent book Truth to Power https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_to_Power_(book), about the troubles with the electrical grid. The author knows everyone who matters in South Africa, right to the top, as you will see.
In other words, identity politics works.
You either have a team, or you're a victim.Replies: @HammerJack
Team America worked for a good long while, until “certain people” decided we’d be better off balkanized, or more accurately they decided they’d be better off if everyone else were balkanized.
Now everyone’s allowed to have a team, with one still-conspicuous exception. Us.
We lost that and the group that shall remain nameless took full advantage of that. And good for them for seeing the angle and playing it.
The question now is what do American whites do? Do they join the identity politics game or continue to pray that their great God "muh Constitution" saves them?
I choose the former, Steve and most of his readers choose the latter.
I was going to second this, but then I remembered that I tend to get Hugh Hewitt and Charles Kesler (of The Claremont Review of Books) mixed up.
Well, I just went to see, and at CRB there’s a recent review by Helen Andrews of a book on the demise of South Africa. https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/look-back-in-anger/
I am hardly on left but it is simply a right-wing trope.Replies: @HammerJack, @pyrrhus
Your definition of what constitutes a “going concern” is notably generous. It’ll probably come in handy here in the ex-USA too.
He said a lot of the support for the apartheid system actually came from the leftist white controlled South African labor unions. They wanted the higher paid or easier jobs reserved for them and have the low paid unpleasant jobs done by the blacks. The economist Walter Williams has written about this too.
He didn't think this system of having the blacks being the Morlocks for the whites would end up well for the whites in the long run, any more than it had in H.G. Wells The Time Machine. His solution was a heavily decentralized system, something like the Swiss canton system, with the white parts of the country being mostly autonomous. I don't think this would have been enough, though. The whites should have set up a completely separate white majority country when they had the chance. It's too late for that now.Replies: @Hail, @Sleep, @JR Ewing
No offense, but that’s crazy talk. The “world community” would have never allowed that.
Folks like Brian Mulroney were kissing Mandela and the lot in the gums.Replies: @Cagey Beast
Right, like the Romans, what has Elon Musk ever accomplished? If only he had the benefit of Jacob Malema's advice and education he might have made something of himself.Replies: @res, @HammerJack, @International Jew
What an amazing remark for a South African to make, even one with an agenda. People say it all the time here in the ex-USA, and this indicates that the idea will still hold currency even when the massacres are underway.
What would they do after they'd killed all the whites? Can you imagine American blacks running their own country? Imagine if all the whites and Asians disappeared, and blacks were the only ones left in the US. What would they do after they'd finished looting all the stores?Replies: @JR Ewing
I said something like this to my preteen kids once a few years ago and they admonished me harshly for being “racist”. I told them to look at post-colonial countries in Africa, and specifically Rhodesia, and reconsider their opinions.
Recently the oldest one, who is about to graduate high school, said to me, “Dad, I don’t think you are as wrong about blacks as I used to think.”
It was quite a compliment and something I’ve very proud of him for coming to understand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzM4kLQvnpo
https://youtu.be/4hlwDSnkXrAReplies: @Che Guava
Cohen is a smug, unfunny, arrogant prick. Who is playing the guitar? Is it from tape? You can’t see in the video. Tape, I suppose.
I recall when some people on the ‘net thought this was funny over 15 years ago, nobody had heard of the jerk, so excusable then, but not now.
Yes, when the blacks recently began tearing down statues of white people, my main reaction was surprise that they hadn’t done this 20+ ago.
I kind of like parliamentary fights, Taiwan and Russia in the past, other places, but this one is kind of unique for the sounds. Genuinely simian. Wow!
Rather than a full on outright conflict, blacks seem to be very adept a gradually, slowly, slowly wearing down their antagonists by incessant continual acts of criminality and violence. The rational response, the one taken by whites, is simply to up sticks and move far far away from blacks.
All this hints at another aspect of the black character, their sheer irrepressibility and survival instincts - and the strong atavistic tribal instinct to force out the aliens amongst them as they intuit that aliens are a threat to their survival.
In a nutshell, that's why all the predictions made by 19th century thinkers about the eventual extinction of black Africans and their ultimate displacement by whites are/were completely wrong.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jerry Hubbard, @Wilkey
“Playing the long game.”
No. No one has claimed there have been mass killings. So the Times is lying. Or is the Times now so dumbed down that it imagines that genocide means mass killings?
Where did Mexico's blacks go?
“Well, your name is Benes and you kept taking me to all those Mexican restaurants.” is how I remember it. I was young then and it helped me get over my own embarrassment at not understanding the boundaries of racial categories (both me and my best friend had trouble accepting that someone could be both black and Hispanic until we figured it out in high school).
I am hardly on left but it is simply a right-wing trope.Replies: @HammerJack, @pyrrhus
South Africa is not going to be a going concern for more than another 10-15 years unless it gets some competent people running the country…Major power outages are a sign of collapse….
"I don't think I'm gonna ever let him cut on me." - Jimmy BuffettReplies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
The end of the long game being a country that’s destitute except for foreigners extracting the remaining minerals at gunpoint….
Thank you, YAA. I missed that.
The part about “competence in mass killing” makes one think about organizational skills, but in the case of the millions killed – mostly by machete – in Rwanda, I’m not even sure there was much organization to it. Once other Hutus got the idea in their heads, it was just mass running amok, another incident of MRA, per newly-suggested UN terminology.
The head of the UN, a Portuguese fellow, has just coined the term Global Boiling to replace “Climate Crisis!” or “Climate Calamity™”. Back some decades the Sci-Fi books used to portray the head of the UN as a wise, knowledgable, scientific technocrat. WTF happened? The UN is not hiring their best.
It’s all SO tiresome.
I know it’s not a simple thing. You make good points that I’ve already thought of myself. (Those thoughts arose not so much due to concern for S. Africans but for my family right HERE.)
Fight or flight – it’s been 3 decades. The forming of the little town of Orania shows some hope, but there’d have to be a mass exodus to somewhere defensible and with a willingness to defend it, something still politically suspect. There are countries that have taken some White S.A.’s in, and many have emigrated in small numbers.*
BTW, opulence, hell! (I know that’s not your view.) Read the article by Witkin I linked to see how bad it’s getting for the White people there.
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* Goes to show you an example of something. As we get the mass immigration of black Africans, and yes, it’s big and both legal and illegal, we get tribal political groups that help the others come in. It’s a politically travesty that there has not been such a thing for White S.Africans to come to America. (I know some English ones – not sure if I’ve met any Boers. The numbers are low.)
Blame our original illiberal fascistic bastard, who redefined the term as favoring “new social controls”.
Britons and Europeans who (rightly) object to our misuse of the term should reflect on the fact that he is still one of the most admired of Americans across the Pond. But that’s one of the benefits that “fighting fascism abroad in order to impose it at home” gets you.
Someone who knows: where are the the English-speaking whites in all this mess- leaving in droves, I’d guess?Replies: @seminumerical, @Thelma Ringbaum
They are having time of their life in SA. It is a rich country and the anglo whites have zero oppression and zero competition there. Living in huge houses with dozens of local servants.
Yes, there are risks there, but never forget that in Afrika there are no “blacks”. “Black” is an American social construct, because of the American slave driving racist culture iSteve represents. All americans are slaves, thus Americans, white and black alike, are mostly lumpens.
African blacks, are always black something: Venda, Xhosa, Zulu, Igbo, whatever. They have roots, they have tribal and family allegiances, they make shithole countries but these are their countries. There is some order, and some continuity, while american lumpen folks are, in the words of iSteves buddy Cole, unsalvageable.
So, Anglos govern that order in SA, and having a good time worth the security risks for them.
Haha, thanks, Nachum for jogging my memory on this. That was yet another hilarious PIC episode of that show. (And thanks, Dr. Rock, too, for the memory.) Indeed, most of the 1990s were still pretty good years for freedom of speech.
I am having problems using youtube for anything right now, so I’ll try to remember to embed a 4-minute encapsulation of this in another place, hopefully on topic.
It doesn’t require any killings at all. Among Steve’s more memorable UPI articles is the one about the fate of the Afro-Mexicans, one of the most thorough genocides in history:
Where did Mexico’s blacks go?
That does look like cowardice. Either take down the video completely, or replace the legally encumbered content with similar content without copyright issues. Just quietly removing the controversial footage looks bad.
He’s probably unhappy at how this blew up and is trying to walk it back.
Team America understood that it was Team Christian White even if they didn’t say it too loudly.
We lost that and the group that shall remain nameless took full advantage of that. And good for them for seeing the angle and playing it.
The question now is what do American whites do? Do they join the identity politics game or continue to pray that their great God “muh Constitution” saves them?
I choose the former, Steve and most of his readers choose the latter.
They should have never allowed South Africa to be taken over . Did their white guilt stop once Apartheid ended ? I suppose the queen felt good about it , maybe killing enough whites washed away all of that guilt the good whites were feeling ?Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
They had political pressure from both within and without, unrelenting, for a couple of decades at least, Blondie. There were Communists doing their thing, as allied with black leaders like the Mandela’s to destabilize the place – see Cry the DeConstructed Country – Part 5: Cold and Hot Wars, and the Commies, of course.
Then, there was the massive external political pressure. I was around then. The anti-Apartheid political protest movement was 2nd only to the unilateral disarmament/anti-nuke movement in size at the time, both of the ctrl-left, of course. That stuff was everywhere, in American and the West in general – a personal anecdote.
You’re right though, they shouldn’t have caved. As with all of these types of events, it’s not like there weren’t large masses of people who knew what a big mistake* this was. They were all dragged down together, and they’re nearing the bottom.
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* Or “evil move”, one might put it – not a mistake by all involved.
And even if the Boers did flee, where would they flee to? What country would take them? I don’t imagine that the governments of the US or the EU would be keen to admit them as refugees, given the narrative-embarrassment it would cause, to say nothing of the fact that they just don’t want to import white immigrants because it interferes with their third-worldization campaign.
South Africa is the future the "nation of immigrants", "must have immigration!" minoritarian zealots are planning for you.
It may seem remote now--depending on where you live. But if you just do the math on current trends--1.6 white TFR, Biden waving a couple million extra "refugees" each year on top of legal--and assume Africans will figure out the scam and become larger and larger share (esp. as Latin American fertility has dropped to replacement) then we would shoot right past "Brazil" and be headed toward "South Africa" by the end of the century.
When you have monstrous crazed people pushing their monstrous ideology ... the results will indeed be monstrous.Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
Huh. Reg Cæsar, resident self-described “contrarian” who is “countering the trends here” (but totally not a troll or anything like that) tells us that the U.S. will become “something like Switzerland”:
https://www.unz.com/isteve/is-woman-ruled-barbieland-marija-gimbutass-matriarchy/#comment-6089033 (#306)
IOW, threatened his life.
Typo. He meant “whose theme song is”
I recall when some people on the 'net thought this was funny over 15 years ago, nobody had heard of the jerk, so excusable then, but not now.Replies: @Ben Kurtz
Who said anything about funny?
Yes, there are risks there, but never forget that in Afrika there are no "blacks". "Black" is an American social construct, because of the American slave driving racist culture iSteve represents. All americans are slaves, thus Americans, white and black alike, are mostly lumpens.
African blacks, are always black something: Venda, Xhosa, Zulu, Igbo, whatever. They have roots, they have tribal and family allegiances, they make shithole countries but these are their countries. There is some order, and some continuity, while american lumpen folks are, in the words of iSteves buddy Cole, unsalvageable.
So, Anglos govern that order in SA, and having a good time worth the security risks for them.Replies: @Lurker
That must be why I’m always hearing about whites emigrating to SA to get in on that action.
What would the ADL say when everytime Whites or Whiteness is used in a verbal attack, an AI runs a script and inserts Jews or Jewishness?
Instead of “The white race is the cancer of human history…” insert “X”. It could be Jew, Muslim, Black or Chinese.
It’s all hateful and no one has an excuse.
Guess it depends on one’s definition of the word, but if you look at Western Cape election results and compare them to the Western Cape demographics, I wouldn’t say “many” have voted ANC except in that one election where they gave them a shot. In the first post-apartheid election they voted for the National Party! And then after that short ANC blip in the wake of the Nats’ collapse, they switched to the DA and never really looked back. They’re not necessarily particularly fond of whites but black and ANC encroachment on the WC is an existential threat to them.
The Eastern Cape and especially the Northern Cape are different. Much more ANC support among the Coloured populations there. The DA has made significant inroads there, but I’m not sure how much longer that can continue. I’m not even sure how much longer the DA can keep the WC.
The black share of the population is growing in the WC, and with the DA not really doing anything about land invasions and, in an effort to court the black population, constantly going on and on (even in Coloured-majority WC!) about how black people are their absolute priority, Coloured voters are understandably getting restless.
It's a law of nature, not unlike "nature abhors a vacuum".
You can’t have anything nice without a border.
It’s a law of nature, not unlike “nature abhors a vacuum”.
Don't know if Kristof is a Jew, but send a Jew who thinks he isn't "white" to test out that theory.Replies: @International Jew, @Art Deco, @Frau Katze
He’s not a Jew. He’s Polish.
If you look at history, Brits have killed far more Boers than Blacks have. And they were the first to throw Afrikaans under the bus to make apartheid collapse.
( Yeah, I know the correct plurals: Boere and Africaner).Replies: @anonymous
The Dems are the real racists!
“So we’re just a couple of white people?”
“I guess so.”
“Want to go to The Gap?
“Yes!”
Apologies about the typo.
Years ago I was offered the opportunity to attend a celebration of Custer’s Last Stand at the Rosebud Indian reservation in South Dakota. (I was traveling on US 20 in Nebraska and, having stopped at a convenience store, met a bunch of Indians who’d crossed over the state line to buy beer for their event. They explained to me that the Res is dry by law.)
Right, like the Romans, what has Elon Musk ever accomplished? If only he had the benefit of Jacob Malema's advice and education he might have made something of himself.Replies: @res, @HammerJack, @International Jew
Tell that to the albino Negros of Tanzania.
The Australian government offered them asylum but quickly backpedalled after the SA government complained. (I imagine there was also pressure behind the scenes from other Western governments.)
I'm happy leftists and communists are now more brazen about exactly what they want to do to us. Might wake some people up for once.Replies: @Rohirrimborn
Don't know if Kristof is a Jew, but send a Jew who thinks he isn't "white" to test out that theory.Replies: @International Jew, @Art Deco, @Frau Katze
Kristof’s mother’s family was non-ethnic blueblood. His father’s obituary appears to contain a great deal of yarn-pulling. However, I would wager certain bits are on the level, such as the datum that he was born in an ethnically mixed area in the Roumanian-Ukrainian borderlands.
Again there is no such thing as “whites”. There are the Brits, there are the Afrikaner. There are East Indians and Greeks and Jews. The Whites are the white lumpens of America.
And yes, I know of Brits migrating to SA from their Commonwealth. It is harder because Zulu and Xhosa are trying the nativization of leadership positions, like everyone does in these post colonial places. But if you are Anglo and can secure yourself a CEO or an university professor job there, you do migrate there at once.
The Brits in their Commonwealth did most of the pushing against any of that. They do own the place already, and are not going to share with any afrikan “whites” that was the idea.
Folks like Brian Mulroney were kissing Mandela and the lot in the gums.
What does “racist” add to “anti-white hate”? Is the racism (whatever that is) the problem or the hate? Would the hate be OK if it weren’t racist? Right wingers should just stop complaining about racism because the bad thing is never racism (whatever that is).
What does the ADL say about the sizable party in Israel – part of the ruling coalition, in fact – whose members are known to chant “death to arabs”?
The Rwanda genocide was sure planned by someone, but not by the Hutu or by the Tutsi. The mainstream narrative is that in a so-called genocide of Tutsis by Hutus, the Hutu president gets killed, the Hutu prime minister gets killed, a Tutsi force invades the country, and an anglophile Tutsi becomes president. It just doesn’t add up.
By 1994 the total population of Rwanda was less than 6M. The number of Tutsis was less than 600K. The official narrative claims that around half a million Tutsis were killed in the so-called genocide. Yet the Tutsis (of whom allegedly only 100K should have survived) emerged victorious against more than 5M machete wielding murderous Hutus, and an anglophile Tutsi became president in a francophone country, and still is in that position. It just doesn’t add up. The official narrative is mathematically and logically impossible.
Fact is, during the alleged genocide of the Tutsi by the Hutu, the entire Hutu leadership including the president and the female prime minister were killed, the CIA-backed Tutsi front won the war, and their head became the leader of the country. If there ever was a genocide, it was that of the hapless Hutu elite. The mainstream narrative is impossible to believe in.
False trichotomy?
Mostly likely it was planned by all three (not entirely in concert).
The Hutu Power morons really did what they are accused of doing.
But Paul Kagame and the RPF kicked it off by shooting down the presidential plane and then seeking conquest rather than saving lives.
But they were guided by the global powers that be.
Bin Laden claimed the Kenya embassy bombing was retaliation for the CIA plotting the genocide from there.
Doubt that he gave a damn about it, but he might well be factually correct.
(And suspect he was set up too, evil though he was.)
Rwanda "successfully" destabilized Congo for years to come.
$$$ for a select few.
Recently the oldest one, who is about to graduate high school, said to me, “Dad, I don’t think you are as wrong about blacks as I used to think.”
It was quite a compliment and something I’ve very proud of him for coming to understand.Replies: @Joe Stalin
Show him the Italian 1960s documentary “Africa Addio” and ask what he thinks compared to the present.
Don't know if Kristof is a Jew, but send a Jew who thinks he isn't "white" to test out that theory.Replies: @International Jew, @Art Deco, @Frau Katze
Nicholas Kristof is not a Jew. His father is Władysław Krzysztofowicz, a Polish name. His mother’s maiden name is McWilliams.
He’s a very gullible guy.
Rather than a full on outright conflict, blacks seem to be very adept a gradually, slowly, slowly wearing down their antagonists by incessant continual acts of criminality and violence. The rational response, the one taken by whites, is simply to up sticks and move far far away from blacks.
All this hints at another aspect of the black character, their sheer irrepressibility and survival instincts - and the strong atavistic tribal instinct to force out the aliens amongst them as they intuit that aliens are a threat to their survival.
In a nutshell, that's why all the predictions made by 19th century thinkers about the eventual extinction of black Africans and their ultimate displacement by whites are/were completely wrong.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jerry Hubbard, @Wilkey
In my experience, the “strong atavistic tribal instinct to force out the aliens amongst them as they intuit that aliens are a threat to their survival” you refer to is nonsense.
Blacks would be more than happy to have the aliens (Whites) around them indefinitely, so long as the Blacks are able to prey on them. It is the aliens who seek separation to avoid the predation.
For as long as I’ve been alive, Blacks have constantly moved away from their own kind and into areas that are predominantly populated by aliens in hope of living better lives. It is true that once they achieve critical mass in their new locale, they reproduce the conditions (principally, and abundance of predatory behavior and a lack of any activity requiring ability to work in the present to benefit in the future) they recently escaped.
Listen, autist, the principle is simply: if it works use it. When the entire freaking world understands “racism,” however ill-defined, to be something awful then it kinda makes sense to use it to describe the some things awful that routinely befall whites.
Now, what does the HBD logic do to the non-elite American whites who are in every aspect lacking roots and culture as much as theur blacks do (ever seen a White TV preacher like Ken Copeland? Hes be a negro preacher all but in his skin colour) and lack the Jewish IQ ? To the whites who are the America?
The morons are not needed, thats what it does.Replies: @Curle
Or how about this doozy, in which a (Jewish) member of the Jerusalem city council sings “we want Nakba, Nakba now”?
Folks like Brian Mulroney were kissing Mandela and the lot in the gums.Replies: @Cagey Beast
Yes, the Monday morning quarterbacks are out in force here. The National Party did more than anyone here has ever done to create a White homeland out of what the British Empire left them and it’s still not enough for them.
Steve’s whole thing is that “racism” is good, actually. Disparate impact is just the underlying reality expressed in outcomes. But now “racism” is bad? No. You can’t draft on your opponents semantic wake because then all you’re doing is chasing the left. If that worked then DR3 would work but it doesn’t.
Julius Malema has been a joke for a long time.
(So was Adolf.)
By 1994 the total population of Rwanda was less than 6M. The number of Tutsis was less than 600K. The official narrative claims that around half a million Tutsis were killed in the so-called genocide. Yet the Tutsis (of whom allegedly only 100K should have survived) emerged victorious against more than 5M machete wielding murderous Hutus, and an anglophile Tutsi became president in a francophone country, and still is in that position. It just doesn't add up. The official narrative is mathematically and logically impossible.
Fact is, during the alleged genocide of the Tutsi by the Hutu, the entire Hutu leadership including the president and the female prime minister were killed, the CIA-backed Tutsi front won the war, and their head became the leader of the country. If there ever was a genocide, it was that of the hapless Hutu elite. The mainstream narrative is impossible to believe in.Replies: @Anonymous
“The Rwanda genocide was sure planned by someone, but not by the Hutu or by the Tutsi.”
False trichotomy?
Mostly likely it was planned by all three (not entirely in concert).
The Hutu Power morons really did what they are accused of doing.
But Paul Kagame and the RPF kicked it off by shooting down the presidential plane and then seeking conquest rather than saving lives.
But they were guided by the global powers that be.
Bin Laden claimed the Kenya embassy bombing was retaliation for the CIA plotting the genocide from there.
Doubt that he gave a damn about it, but he might well be factually correct.
(And suspect he was set up too, evil though he was.)
Rwanda “successfully” destabilized Congo for years to come.
$$$ for a select few.
We’re not bemoaning generic “racism” like some pathetic DR3 cuckworth. It’s anti-white racism we’re drawing attention to. (Not that I’m wedded to this approach. If “racism” ever becomes something acceptable, you can bet your bottom dollar I’d be 100% for it.)
Rather than a full on outright conflict, blacks seem to be very adept a gradually, slowly, slowly wearing down their antagonists by incessant continual acts of criminality and violence. The rational response, the one taken by whites, is simply to up sticks and move far far away from blacks.
All this hints at another aspect of the black character, their sheer irrepressibility and survival instincts - and the strong atavistic tribal instinct to force out the aliens amongst them as they intuit that aliens are a threat to their survival.
In a nutshell, that's why all the predictions made by 19th century thinkers about the eventual extinction of black Africans and their ultimate displacement by whites are/were completely wrong.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jerry Hubbard, @Wilkey
Whites are not a threat to black survival. Whites are a threat to black domination. Without white technology and industry, the black population in Africa (or anywhere else, for that matter) would collapse. It would be a die-off of an absolutely unprecedented and historic scale.
Blacks in South Africa aren’t playing any sort of long game, really. At least most of them aren’t. They are just being savages.
It will be very interesting to see what disaster the coming decade or so brings to South Africa, and what excuses the Left makes for it. And will Western nations take in whites trying to flee the South African collapse, or will we just allow them to die?
“Try That in a Small Town”.
Huh.
To which the obvious riposte is, “Don’t need to try that in a small town, cracker: we’z be tryin’ it ebery day of the WEEK here in the big cities, don’t see y’all crackaz doin’ jack sheeit about it, so you can go on bitchin’ bout yo small towns all you like. Joggaz OWN the big cities, not the small towns, and y’all dumb crackaz PAY for us. Toot toot!”
Beep beep.
Racism is self defeating though. iSteve and the HBD folks seem to use their branch of racism to justify the dominance of “whites” over “blacks”, which is a unique historical American wound and malaise. (Europeans routinely screw americans over this question.)
Now, what does the HBD logic do to the non-elite American whites who are in every aspect lacking roots and culture as much as theur blacks do (ever seen a White TV preacher like Ken Copeland? Hes be a negro preacher all but in his skin colour) and lack the Jewish IQ ? To the whites who are the America?
The morons are not needed, thats what it does.
You give your imagination a lot of credit don’t you? Why would events that operate without any credible or even straight face claim of command and control be assumed to determine differential outcomes except by the dullest minds in our society? Answer: they wouldn’t. I don’t know if people can be shamed into mental maturity, but you appear to be a good candidate for such an experiment.
“which is a unique historical American wound and malaise.”
Not reading the news from France are you?
“ What would the ADL say about a sizable party whose theme song is “Kill the Jew”?”
That’s easy: Tear down a confederate statue. Exonerate Leo Frank. Put Nina Jankowicz in charge of the internet.
Now, what does the HBD logic do to the non-elite American whites who are in every aspect lacking roots and culture as much as theur blacks do (ever seen a White TV preacher like Ken Copeland? Hes be a negro preacher all but in his skin colour) and lack the Jewish IQ ? To the whites who are the America?
The morons are not needed, thats what it does.Replies: @Curle
“ to justify the dominance of “whites” over “blacks”,”
You give your imagination a lot of credit don’t you? Why would events that operate without any credible or even straight face claim of command and control be assumed to determine differential outcomes except by the dullest minds in our society? Answer: they wouldn’t. I don’t know if people can be shamed into mental maturity, but you appear to be a good candidate for such an experiment.
“which is a unique historical American wound and malaise.”
Not reading the news from France are you?
No.
S. Africa’s mining is becoming uneconomic as thefts of railroad equipment, esp. copper, make it uneconomic or impossible to ship mine production, spare parts, agricultural goods, etc.
An industrial society that is incomprehensible for almost all of the Black South African population will eventually be destroyed by that population, which prefers short term rewards (e.g. $ for copper) that they understand to any goals that they do not understand (e.g. support for an industrial economy they cannot understand).
1 megameter of thick copper cables — gone.
https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2021-11-11-1000km-of-cables-stripped-from-sa-rail-network-just-this-year/
This article only covers personnel transport:
https://www.reuters.com/article/safrica-economy-railways-idUSL8N2HY6PC
Mactoul has obviously not been following how bad it’s gotten in S. Africa (and thank you, Seminumerical).
Talking about getting competent people, competence is something you’d want in a doctor, right? Well, S. Africa AA stipulates that only 2% of incoming medical/surgery students be White – this is in a place with a White population of ~8%.
“AA just hasn’t had enough time to work yet.” – leftist
“I don’t think I’m gonna ever let him cut on me.” – Jimmy Buffett
"I don't think I'm gonna ever let him cut on me." - Jimmy BuffettReplies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
Heh, just wait until you want somebody to start cutting and making critical decisions within 60 seconds of presentation…. (BELA LUGOSI CACKLE)
Hey, why do I still have these old clothes in the back of the closet that are soaked in some crazy homeless guy’s blood? Oh yeah, that’s right…. THAT’S BECAUSE I QUIT SIX MONTHS AGO!! Hey, yeah, now I remember.
Ran out of [Agree]s, etc, but you and (both?) Anonymouses make good points. I’d have thought it’d been easier early on in the 30 years it’s been. I want to write a post on this next week.
Here in the UK I meet white South Africans who’ve left. Its years since I heard about any Brits relocating to SA.
Jews aren’t white. And East Indians?