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Hillary is currently running for President on how we must have more gun control to save innocent black baby bodies from racist Republican white males hunting them down for sport:

… Clinton addressed a fundraising dinner organized by the Trayvon Martin Foundation, … “If you want to imagine what Trump’s America would look like, picture more kids at risk of violence and bigotry,” Clinton said.

In the real world, however, the big story is blacks shooting blacks. From the NYT:

Untold Damage: America’s Overlooked Gun Violence

Most shootings with four deaths or injuries are invisible outside their communities. And most of the lives they scar are black.

By SHARON LAFRANIERE, DANIELA PORAT and AGUSTIN ARMENDARIZ MAY 22, 2016

CINCINNATI — After the slaughter of nine worshipers at a South Carolina church last June, but before the massacre of eight students and a teacher at an Oregon community college in October, there was a shooting that the police here have labeled Incident 159022597.01. It happened on a clear Friday night at an Elks Lodge, on a modest block of clapboard houses northeast of this city’s hilly downtown. Unlike the butchery that bookended it, it merited no presidential statements, no saturation television coverage.

But what took place at 6101 Prentice Street on Aug. 21 may say more about the nature of gun violence in the United States than any of those far more famous rampages. It is a snapshot of a different sort of mass violence — one that erupts with such anesthetic regularity that it is rendered almost invisible, except to the mostly black victims, survivors and attackers.

According to the police account, more than 30 people had gathered in the paneled basement bar of the lodge to mark the 39th birthday of a man named Greg Wallace when a former neighbor, Timothy Murphy, showed up, drunk.

Jill Leovy’s 2015 book Ghettoside mentions “unwanted party guests” as a common cause of murder.

Fists flew. Mr. Murphy ducked out the door, burst back in with a handgun, and opened fire.

As partygoers scrambled for the door, he chased Greg Wallace’s younger brother Dawaun to a tiny black-and-white-tiled bathroom, where he shot him nine times before the violence spilled out onto the street. There, another Wallace relative, also armed with a handgun, fired back at him.

By the end, 27 bullets had flown, hitting seven people: Mr. Murphy, who died; Dawaun Wallace, who was grievously wounded; four bystanders, one of whom was hit in the genitals, another in the leg.

And Barry Washington.

A seasonal packer for Amazon.com, Mr. Washington, 56, had stopped at the lodge on his way to the store for cigarettes, said his sister, Jaci Washington. He was in the bathroom when Mr. Murphy cornered Dawaun Wallace there. A single bullet pierced Mr. Washington’s arm, then his heart.

He left behind a son, a daughter, a brother, a sister, a mother and four grandchildren.

“My brother died on the floor of a bathroom for no reason,” Ms. Washington said. “He had nothing to do with the whole situation. I can’t believe I lost my brother like this.”

Yet many in the neighborhood where they grew up, she said, responded with a shrug. “The reality is, this happens quite frequently,” she said. “And it’s kind of, ‘Oh, well, this guy was killed today. Somebody else will be killed tomorrow.’ ”

That is more than correct. The Elks Lodge episode was one of at least 358 armed encounters nationwide last year — nearly one a day, on average — in which four or more people were killed or wounded, including attackers. The toll: 462 dead and 1,330 injured, sometimes for life, typically in bursts of gunfire lasting but seconds. …

74% of the victims survived, which suggests most of these shootings were conducted by non-suicidal shooters. Columbine-type shootings tend to be deadlier because the shooters are willing to be caught or die so they take time to finish off their victims. These kind of Unwanted Party Guest mass shootings, in contrast, aren’t usually suicidal in intent — at some point the shooter flees, hoping to escape punishment, leaving a lot of wounded survivors behind.

Suicidal mass shootings can be divided into two categories: domestic, which don’t get much publicity, and the Columbine-type, which get immense coverage. The latter go on longer than the non-suicidal mass shootings, which sometimes allow for television coverage as they are happening, they probably have increased in numbers over the last two generations, and they generate a lot of metacoverage about what to do about them. But they are still quite rare, fortunately.

Seeking deeper insight into the phenomenon, The New York Times identified and analyzed 358 shootings with four or more casualties, drawing on two databases assembled from news reports and citizen contributors, and then verifying details with law enforcement agencies.

Only a small handful were high-profile mass shootings like those in South Carolina and Oregon. The rest are a pencil sketch of everyday America at its most violent.

They chronicle how easily lives are shattered when a firearm is readily available — in a waistband, a glove compartment, a mailbox or garbage can that serves as a gang’s gun locker. They document the mayhem spawned by the most banal of offenses: a push in a bar, a Facebook taunt, the wrong choice of music at a house party….

The shootings took place everywhere, but mostly outdoors: at neighborhood barbecues, family reunions, music festivals, basketball tournaments, movie theaters, housing project courtyards, Sweet 16 parties, public parks. Where motives could be gleaned, roughly half involved or suggested crime or gang activity. Arguments that spun out of control accounted for most other shootings, followed by acts of domestic violence.

The divide is racial as well. Among the cases examined by The Times were 39 domestic violence shootings, and they largely involved white attackers and victims. So did many of the high-profile massacres, including a wild shootout between Texas biker gangs that left nine people dead and 18 wounded.

This article treats Hispanics as white.

Over all, though, nearly three-fourths of victims and suspected assailants whose race could be identified were black. Some experts suggest that helps explain why the drumbeat of dead and wounded does not inspire more outrage.

“Clearly, if it’s black-on-black, we don’t get the same attention because most people don’t identify with that. Most Americans are white,” said James Alan Fox, a professor of criminology at Northeastern University in Boston. “People think, ‘That’s not my world. That’s not going to happen to me.’”

Michael Nutter, a former Philadelphia mayor, who is black, said that society would not be so complacent if whites were dying from gun violence at the same rate as blacks.

To be more precise, if it were whites killing blacks at high rates, it would be the Biggest Story Ever. Blacks killing blacks is just awkward for the Narrative.

Droves of experts study high-profile massacres by so-called lone-wolf assailants, usually driven by mental disorders, at schools, workplaces and other public spaces. Academics regularly crunch data on single homicides and assaults. But the near-daily shootings that wound or kill several victims — a relatively small subset of the shootings that kill nearly 11,000 people and wound roughly 60,000 more each year — are uncharted territory for researchers, said Richard B. Rosenfeld, a professor of criminology at the University of Missouri-St. Louis. …

Counting assailants among casualties increased the total number of cases by fewer than three dozen, most of them domestic violence shootings that ended in suicide. Hispanics were not separately identified, because police reports do not systematically identify victims and suspects by ethnicity, only by race.

And that would complicate the Narrative even worse.

There are 358 reasons for those 358 shootings, though some remain a mystery; in about a fourth of the cases, investigators have discerned no motive.

As for the rest, some patterns stand out. The fewest occurred while another felony, such as a burglary, was underway. Domestic violence shootings were nearly as infrequent, but were among the deadliest.

About a third were provoked by arguments, typically drug- or alcohol-fueled, often over petty grievances.

A sampling:

Outside a crowded bar in Decatur, Ill., a customer found an expensive watch. When another man insisted it was his, the customer pulled out a semiautomatic handgun, shot the man in the face and wounded four people near him.

After a day of drinking, singing karaoke and watching football, four middle-aged friends in a small town north of Baton Rouge, La., got into a fight — some said over the choice of music. One shot the other three, then killed himself.

Outside an Orlando, Fla., housing project, lewd comments about a young man’s pregnant girlfriend resulted in 15 to 20 gunshots. A 10-year-old boy who peered out his window at the fracas was struck directly in one eye. One of three wounded adults later acknowledged that “a one-on-one fist fight would have settled the issue,” the police report said.

You can have a culture of settling beefs with with words, with fists, with knives, or with guns. The last is most likely to get bystanders killed or wounded. Settling disputes with guns can be done cowboy style with duels or just by opening fire in the general direction of somebody you are mad at. How much of the current black cultural predilection for grabbing a gun when dissed and letting loose stems from memes transmitted and reinforced by the gangsta rap that emerged around 1988?

Another third of the 358 cases — and the most common in cities with more than 250,000 residents — were either gang-related or were drive-by shootings typical of gangs.

But the police and prosecutors say many of those were not directly linked to criminal activity, such as a dispute over a drug deal. More often, a minor dust-up — a boast, an insult, a decision to play basketball on another gang’s favorite court — was taken as a sign of disrespect and answered with a bullet, said Andrew V. Papachristos, a Yale University professor who studies gang behavior. …

The Elks Lodge shooting was one of five last year in Cincinnati that resulted in at least four casualties. The others took place on street corners, on a front porch and at a cookout in a parking lot.

Police officials say they suspect that as many as half of the 24 victims were not the intended targets; community workers blame self-taught gunmen who are often high on drugs or were drunk. “They are not marksmen,” said Aaron Pullins, an anti-violence worker. “They don’t know how to hold the gun. They just shoot.”

Investigators have linked three of those shootings to gangs, although like many of their counterparts in other cities, they say the word gang conjures up a false image of a tight-knit, hierarchical criminal organization. Instead, they describe fluid, sometimes tiny bands of teenagers and young adults bound by illegal activity. “They are groups of friends who rob and shoot each other,” Detective Greg Gehring said. “That’s just what they do.” …

Some researchers say the single strongest predictor of gun homicide rates is the proportion of an area’s population that is black. But race, they say, is merely a proxy for poverty, joblessness and other socio-economic disadvantages that help breed violence.

Mr. Nutter, now an urban policy professor at Columbia University, spoke out repeatedly about the disparity during his eight years as Philadelphia’s mayor — and was accused of casting African-Americans in a bad light. “Some people got upset,” he said. “I said, ‘I’ll stop talking about it when you stop killing each other.’ ”

Cloaking the issue, he said, only makes it easier for the country to tune out what amounts to “mass murder occurring in slow motion every day.” Both he and Mr. Abdullah say they wish some of the outrage over police killings of unarmed African-Americans would spill over to victims who die in anonymity in routine gun violence.

After a white University of Cincinnati police officer fatally shot an unarmed black driver in July, street protests erupted here, Mr. Abdullah noted. But “when we kill each other,” he said, “it seems an acceptable way of life.”

This article reinforces the view offered by L.A. Times homicide reporter Jill Leovy in her 2015 book “Ghettoside” that legalizing drugs wouldn’t do much to reduce the large numbers of blacks shooting blacks. Leovy argued that main hope for changing black culture from the outside is through the cops increasing the clearance rate by getting more blacks to testify against black shooters. This would require spending more tax money on detectives and on witness relocation programs.

 
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  1. I notice that the NYT “picks” among the comments are all stressing the need to get rid of guns, nothing in the constitution about owning a handgun, etc. This is of course foolish, as another commenter (an African woman) who noted that most of the guns used in these incidents are obtained illegally, anyway.

    Another thing to note:

    race, they say, is merely a proxy for poverty, joblessness and other socio-economic disadvantages that help breed violence

    Yes, but given our extensive work on addressing racism for the past 50 years, perhaps poverty, joblessness, and other socio-economic disadvantages are proxies for some other things. It’s hard to make any progress when someone like Genius T Coates insists that any discussion of HBD is racist, and that there’s nothing wrong with northern urban black culture.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @SPMoore8

    " It’s hard to make any progress when someone like Genius T Coates insists that any discussion of HBD is racist, and that there’s nothing wrong with northern urban black culture."

    Ta-Nehisi Coates said Black crime is a myth. If that is the case, he should purchase a home in the same zip code as the South Bronx or the Brownsville housing projects, since he resides in New York City. None of that lily White Tribeca shit

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Olorin

    , @Salger
    @SPMoore8


    I notice that the NYT “picks” among the comments are all stressing the need to get rid of guns, nothing in the constitution about owning a handgun, etc.
     
    Did you point out all the nations with higher homicides per capita than America that don't have more guns?

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

  2. Madisonville, the Cincinnati neighborhood where that shooting happened, has been a dangerous dump since long before my family and I moved to adjacent (and in every way culturally opposite) Indian Hill in 1978. Indian Hill insulates itself from the endemic blackness next door by–you guessed it–being on top of a really big hill.

    My high school friends and I used to slum it down in the ‘Ville, getting takeout ribs and playing Ms. Pacman at the now-defunct K&K Barbecue. In retrospect, that was one of our many bad ideas.

    • Replies: @Yak-15
    @slumber_j

    The hill theory seems to explain the Riverdale neighborhood in the Bronx. It's on a real high hill with relatively restricted access from the rest of the Bronx. Obstacles include a major highway, ravines, a very steep slopping hill and not a lot of roads into the area.

    Replies: @slumber_j, @Big Bill, @Lovernios X

  3. Blacks are killing blacks. Other blacks are then not talking to the cops, so the shooters walk.

    Quick, white people. Do something!

    • Agree: Tracy
    • Replies: @rod1963
    @Hosswire

    Why, I don't see a problem?

    , @RonaldB
    @Hosswire

    Haha.

    Here is windbag O'Reilly's proof that the black shootings in Chicago prove white racism.
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/4893031064001/bloody-chicago-and-racism-on-display/?#sp=show-clips

    Replies: @bomag

  4. Over all, though, nearly three-fourths of victims and suspected assailants whose race could be identified were black. Some experts suggest that helps explain why the drumbeat of dead and wounded does not inspire more outrage. “Clearly, if it’s black-on-black, we don’t get the same attention because most people don’t identify with that. Most Americans are white,” said James Alan Fox, a professor of criminology at Northeastern University in Boston. “People think, ‘That’s not my world. That’s not going to happen to me.’”

    I wonder if the newspaper that is the very choke point of the national news media could do something about that. Heck with that for just a moment, I wonder if the NYT is so dense that it doesn’t even recognize the irony of it publishing those words.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @countenance

    Other "major" news organizations are similarly irony-challenged. The Los Angeles Times criticized "the lack of attention" to the black victims of black serial killer Lonnie Franklin. Who does the L.A. Times think is supposed to spotlight public issues in Southern California?

    Replies: @Jefferson

  5. OT:

    Susan Rice: Too Many Whites On National Security Team Putting America At Risk

    http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/05/22/susan-rice-too-many-whites-national-security-team-putting-america-risk

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Anonymous

    http://theballerlife.com/2012/12/13/susan-rices-husband-ian-cameron/

    , @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Susan Rice said that at Florida International University whose student body is only 11% white.

    , @Dirk Dagger
    @Anonymous

    OT-Reply: South African-born woman dies climbing Mount Everest

    Maria (Marisa) Strydom, a South African-born woman lecturing in Australia, died climbing Mount Everest on Saturday.

    The 34-year-old lecturer at Monash University was extremely close to the mountain’s summit when she was overcome with altitude sickness. She died trying to descend to safety.

    Her husband, veterinarian Rob Gropel, was with her on the trek and also suffered high altitude sickness.

    Strydom and Gropel, both from Melbourne, aimed to be the first vegans to reach the summit of Everest.

    Strydom had previously climbed Denali in Alaska, Aconcagua in Argentina, and Kilimanjaro in Africa.

    Operational manager Furtengi Sherpa told the Herald Sun Strydom had suffered from a “lack of energy and weakness” and had to turn around while the rest of the party reached the top.

    Strydom and her personal sherpa got down to Camp 4 that same night and started to head back down the mountain on Saturday.

    However, her tiredness and lack of energy persisted, and at an altitude of 7,800 metres she could not go on.

    “She could not resist anymore. She stopped breathing right there,” said Furtengi Sherpa.

    http://www.thesouthafrican.com/south-african-born-woman-dies-climbing-mount-everest/

  6. Normally I tend to blow off suggestions that mass media (music, movies,video games) amplifies violence but I have a hard time doing that now, particularly with rap music. Despite the left’s attempts to portray most of this genre as subtle and brilliant art, a huge percentage of it revolves around crude boasts about money, drugs/drinking, promiscuity, and violence.

    It appears to me that lots of young black men and boys essentially model their behavior after the archetypical character in a rap song. In fact, it’s common too see some young black guy with headphones on walking down the street or standing at the bus stop rapping along with his favorite song complete with the gestures and expressions of the rapper in the music video, as if he’s trying to be that character. I don’t see white hipsters doing that while listening to the latest Wilco or even high schoolers play-acting to the soundtrack of teen pop music.

    Obviously, the way people dress or act can be a reflection of their cultural influences of the moment, and I just as often silently laugh at the white kids who spend hours cultivating a look that is supposed to look careless, but guys with greasy hair, beards, and retro clothing or messenger bags style aren’t going to get wound up about some perceived slight and start shooting at a party or bar. In contrast, those that consciously mimic rap culture very well might.

    • Replies: @Josh
    @Arclight

    Pretty much this.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/02/23/a-brief-history-of-social-engineering-and-psychological-warfare-in-the-united-states/

    , @fnn
    @Arclight

    Yeah, young low IQ blacks seem to internalize the media messages that promote violence and promiscuity. For example:
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-22/rapper-threatens-kill-donald-trump-if-his-mommas-food-stamps-are-taken-away

    Meanwhile, South Korea is clearly not as safe for female tourists as Japan:
    http://diversityischaos.blogspot.com/2016/05/south-korea-country-where-rape-of.html

    Replies: @Lot, @Erik Sieven

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Arclight

    I wonder if any brave psychologist (Lee Jussim?) has studied this, but it seems clear that elements of popular culture have different effects on different groups. Plenty of suburban white kids have listened to rap, for example, without shooting people.

    I also wonder what role hyper-realistic, first person shooter video games play in all this.

    Replies: @Rifleman, @Arclight, @Jack D, @TWS, @Salger

    , @E. Rekshun
    @Arclight

    I don’t see white hipsters doing that while listening to the latest Wilco or even high schoolers play-acting to the soundtrack of teen pop music.

    I played a mean air guitar mimicking Pete Townsend and The Who!

    , @LKM
    @Arclight


    a huge percentage of it revolves around crude boasts about money, drugs/drinking, promiscuity, and violence
     
    Yeah but a lot of black music has always had those characteristics, going all the way back to the early 20th century if not further. It's just that nobody paid attention to them until rap started getting consumed by suburban white kids. The oft-sung story of Stagger Lee and is just the 19th-century version of black kids killing each other over disrespect and Air Jordan's.

    The most plausible explanatiopn for all this is that groups who lead these sorts of lifestyles like to hear songs about them. The Irish and Scots-Irish also have predilections for drinking and murder ballads.
  7. @SPMoore8
    I notice that the NYT "picks" among the comments are all stressing the need to get rid of guns, nothing in the constitution about owning a handgun, etc. This is of course foolish, as another commenter (an African woman) who noted that most of the guns used in these incidents are obtained illegally, anyway.

    Another thing to note:

    race, they say, is merely a proxy for poverty, joblessness and other socio-economic disadvantages that help breed violence

    Yes, but given our extensive work on addressing racism for the past 50 years, perhaps poverty, joblessness, and other socio-economic disadvantages are proxies for some other things. It's hard to make any progress when someone like Genius T Coates insists that any discussion of HBD is racist, and that there's nothing wrong with northern urban black culture.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Salger

    ” It’s hard to make any progress when someone like Genius T Coates insists that any discussion of HBD is racist, and that there’s nothing wrong with northern urban black culture.”

    Ta-Nehisi Coates said Black crime is a myth. If that is the case, he should purchase a home in the same zip code as the South Bronx or the Brownsville housing projects, since he resides in New York City. None of that lily White Tribeca shit

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Jefferson

    IIRC, he lived in Harlem for years.

    Replies: @Evocatus

    , @Olorin
    @Jefferson

    Funnier still, T. Genius bought a $2.1 million brownstone (for which the sellers had paid $990,000 in 2010) in a highly gentrifying part of Brooklyn...then didn't move into it because he was concerned about "personal safety."

    T. Genius's problem appears to be that he's a beta male. In return for millions of dollars he has projected onto whites his disgruntlement over being bullied by blacks as a fat bookish kid who didn't know how to fight.

    I can't help concluding that his real grievance is that he wasn't a white kid whose dad taught him how to handle that sort of thing.

    http://ny.curbed.com/2016/5/5/11601260/ta-nehisi-coates-brooklyn-home-sold

    http://therealdeal.com/2016/05/05/ta-nehisi-coates-shells-out-2-1m-for-brooklyn-townhouse/

    And here, he maunders on about and avoids the fact of his cowardice for a few thousand well chosen words:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/on-homecomings/481818/

  8. Most shootings with four deaths or injuries are invisible outside their communities. And most of the lives they scar are black.

    Maybe the New York Times could explain why those who might want to read about black-on-black and black-on-white crime have to read the Daily Mail.

    BTW, 2Kevins w/ Grace & Steele did good in-depth takedown of Jill Leovy’s book in the latter half of episode 36 0f their podcast. Leovy describes how appalling things are in the black “community,” but in the end assigns all responsibility for dealing with it to whites.

    http://2kevins.com/archives/528

    • Replies: @Dirk Dagger
    @Harry Baldwin


    Maybe the New York Times could explain why those who might want to read about black-on-black and black-on-white crime have to read the Daily Mail.
     
    Heck, the once great NY Post is now afflicted.

    The Daily Mail describes the unidentified suspect as:

    "… a black male, around 18 years old with a thin build and about 5'5''.
    He is said to have a tattoo on his neck and was last seen wearing a gray and blue jacket, police told Daily Mail Online."

    But the NY Post …

    http://nypost.com/2016/05/21/nobody-helped-me-subway-stabbing-victim-speaks-out/

    Replies: @artichoke

  9. @slumber_j
    Madisonville, the Cincinnati neighborhood where that shooting happened, has been a dangerous dump since long before my family and I moved to adjacent (and in every way culturally opposite) Indian Hill in 1978. Indian Hill insulates itself from the endemic blackness next door by--you guessed it--being on top of a really big hill.

    My high school friends and I used to slum it down in the 'Ville, getting takeout ribs and playing Ms. Pacman at the now-defunct K&K Barbecue. In retrospect, that was one of our many bad ideas.

    Replies: @Yak-15

    The hill theory seems to explain the Riverdale neighborhood in the Bronx. It’s on a real high hill with relatively restricted access from the rest of the Bronx. Obstacles include a major highway, ravines, a very steep slopping hill and not a lot of roads into the area.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    @Yak-15

    I think that's right. And Riverdale is further insulated by Van Cortlandt Park, and by Kingsbridge down the hill to the southeast, which is pretty solidly working class. Or at least it was twenty years ago or so when I spent a few nights there. I think Kingsbridge works as a buffer to the rest of the borough in a way.

    Replies: @Ivy

    , @Big Bill
    @Yak-15

    Riverdale! Great place! No brutha is going to make that exhausting vertical hike up from Spuyten Duyvil station or the longer hike up from the 1/9 station at 231st Street just to break into a few cars. It was the perfect location for the Jewish old folks' home.

    , @Lovernios X
    @Yak-15

    Sounds like a Bronze Age hill fort.

  10. Black people don’t kill black people because of racism, poverty, economic inequality, lack of opportunity. Rather those things are symptoms, not causes; they occur for the SAME REASON as black violence: low IQ, low impulse control, low concept of future, low grasp of cause and effect, low investment in family and society, low character and, oh yes, low IQ. To make it worse, they’ve been told by liberal fools and scoundrels for two generations that nothing is their fault, it’s all The System. Did I mention low IQ?

    • Replies: @Ed
    @Otto the P

    The article even points to it. This isn't about drugs or gangs but the inability of blacks to control themselves. Here's an example I experience last night.

    My gf & I went to Target last night. Only two registers were open and there was about ten people waiting in a single line. Thus in the very from register no one was directly waiting. This young black girl with her daughter walks up feigns like she is asking if the register is available. As she is doing this another cashier opens up their register & she pounces. Seeing this I called her out. She calls me a "fag**t" & that she'll meet me outside. I respond that's how you talk in front of your daughter?

    They have little couth, civility or self-control and when they're in the ghetto incidents like these happen routinely & end in violence. The underclass blacks really do need a firm hand guiding their every move. They aren't fit for modern society.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @gh, @Corvinus

    , @Anonym
    @Otto the P

    I think it is more than simply low IQ though low IQ is definitely a part of it. Aggression matters. You see a level of aggression in black people that is generally greater than white people. Like this BLM guy:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-sYOM0sdQXg

    Or look at Trayvon. Even the 12yo pic has a surliness to him you don't see in many white kids, let alone in his gangbanger posing.

    , @Corvinus
    @Otto the P

    "Black people don’t kill black people because of racism, poverty, economic inequality, lack of opportunity. Rather those things are symptoms, not causes; they occur for the SAME REASON as black violence: low IQ, low impulse control, low concept of future, low grasp of cause and effect, low investment in family and society, low character and, oh yes, low IQ. To make it worse, they’ve been told by liberal fools and scoundrels for two generations that nothing is their fault, it’s all The System. Did I mention low IQ?"

    Yes, yes, yes, we are all fully aware of the standard human biodiversity arguments.

    Now, how many black males commit felonies each year? Be mindful to separate first-time** from repeat offenders. Then, take that number**, and calculate a percentage of the total number of Americans today. What do you get?

    I know, I know, math is hard. But humor us...

    Replies: @Boomstick

    , @Mack Bolan
    @Otto the P

    Maybe they should make illegal to sell liquor in black neighborhoods like it still is on many Indian reservations. Alcohol seems to have the same effect on both groups of people.

  11. “But race, they say, is merely a proxy for poverty, joblessness and other socio-economic disadvantages that help breed violence.”

    There it is. The perfect sentence.

    • Replies: @Captain Tau
    @Emblematic

    Somehow, Appalachian whites and Hispanics never factor into this "[black] poverty= [black] violence" thing...

    Replies: @Clyde

  12. “To be more precise, if it were whites killing blacks at high rates, it would be the Biggest Story Ever.”

    Lately the “Biggest Story Ever” have been hate hoaxes, rather than man bites dog White on Black homicides. It’s been a very slow news cycle for awhile now, regarding Black bodies and White supremacy.

  13. This reminds me of Ta-Genius Coates’ appearance at an Aspen panel. When someone pointed out that far more African-Americans are killed in intra-black violence than police shootings, he said “yeah, but it feels different [when you hear someone is killed by the police].”

    It’s bad to be worried about Islamic terrorism or black-on-white crime, because, hey, it’s a country of >300 million people, of course you can drudge up some examples if all you do is worry about it. Clearly, objective perusal of the data shows that those are relatively small risks to the ordinary American. Fears about them are exaggerated, due to racial/cultural hysteria against the perpetrators. But it’s good to be extremely worried about white police officers—or, sorry, police officers Who Must Believe They Are White—shooting black suspected criminals—or, sorry, Innocent Black Baby Bodies—because even if it’s a rounding error compared to heart disease, black-on-black crime or auto accidents it’s the principle of the thing, not the actual risk, that counts.

    In all seriousness, it’s somewhat hilarious that after being attacked by black criminals, Matt Yglesias and Brian Beutler shrug it off as Shit Happens, but egg on blacks to tell everyone how they constantly fear their Black Bodies being destroyed because they once had a tense encounter with the cops.

    As Steve would say, it comes down to “Who is overtaking whom?”

  14. @SPMoore8
    I notice that the NYT "picks" among the comments are all stressing the need to get rid of guns, nothing in the constitution about owning a handgun, etc. This is of course foolish, as another commenter (an African woman) who noted that most of the guns used in these incidents are obtained illegally, anyway.

    Another thing to note:

    race, they say, is merely a proxy for poverty, joblessness and other socio-economic disadvantages that help breed violence

    Yes, but given our extensive work on addressing racism for the past 50 years, perhaps poverty, joblessness, and other socio-economic disadvantages are proxies for some other things. It's hard to make any progress when someone like Genius T Coates insists that any discussion of HBD is racist, and that there's nothing wrong with northern urban black culture.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Salger

    I notice that the NYT “picks” among the comments are all stressing the need to get rid of guns, nothing in the constitution about owning a handgun, etc.

    Did you point out all the nations with higher homicides per capita than America that don’t have more guns?

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Salger

    "Did you point out all the nations with higher homicides per capita than America that don’t have more guns?"


    You mean all the nations in Africa?(as well as some in South Africa). Blogger Paul Kersey has already done that research.

    Replies: @Salger, @Gringo

  15. @Emblematic
    "But race, they say, is merely a proxy for poverty, joblessness and other socio-economic disadvantages that help breed violence."

    There it is. The perfect sentence.

    Replies: @Captain Tau

    Somehow, Appalachian whites and Hispanics never factor into this “[black] poverty= [black] violence” thing…

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Captain Tau


    Somehow, Appalachian whites and Hispanics never factor into this “[black] poverty= [black] violence” thing…
     
    Murder and gun violence is lower in Hispanic barrios. Not nearly as bad as in certain black areas across America. More Hispanic men are involved in their boy's lives, teaching them to moderate their behavior. Plus the men are more industrious than the black men which provides better role models. They may be illegal aliens who are taking, or their family is taking-robbing from our social welfare systems, but the guys are out working at the same time. Out there plugging away at a lousy job instead of idling their lives away, and as the old saying goes, "Idle hands are the devil's workshop". Turns out it's from the Bible- Proverbs 16:27
  16. @Harry Baldwin
    Most shootings with four deaths or injuries are invisible outside their communities. And most of the lives they scar are black.

    Maybe the New York Times could explain why those who might want to read about black-on-black and black-on-white crime have to read the Daily Mail.

    BTW, 2Kevins w/ Grace & Steele did good in-depth takedown of Jill Leovy's book in the latter half of episode 36 0f their podcast. Leovy describes how appalling things are in the black "community," but in the end assigns all responsibility for dealing with it to whites.

    http://2kevins.com/archives/528

    Replies: @Dirk Dagger

    Maybe the New York Times could explain why those who might want to read about black-on-black and black-on-white crime have to read the Daily Mail.

    Heck, the once great NY Post is now afflicted.

    The Daily Mail describes the unidentified suspect as:

    “… a black male, around 18 years old with a thin build and about 5’5”.
    He is said to have a tattoo on his neck and was last seen wearing a gray and blue jacket, police told Daily Mail Online.”

    But the NY Post …

    http://nypost.com/2016/05/21/nobody-helped-me-subway-stabbing-victim-speaks-out/

    • Replies: @artichoke
    @Dirk Dagger

    "The tall young man with a neck tattoo bolted as the train entered the Atlantic Avenue-Barclays Center Station in Downtown Brooklyn."

    So not only is race not mentioned, he went from thin build and about 5’5”, to tall. Is he short, or tall??

  17. Lot says:

    But race, they say, is merely a proxy for poverty, joblessness and other socio-economic disadvantages that help breed violence.

    It is the other way around.

    It is much safer to live around poor whites than middle and upper class blacks.

    For instance:

    Prince George’s County, MD

    Median household income $72,052
    Median home value $247,600

    Black Non-Hispanic Alone (63.5%)
    Hispanic or Latino (14.9%)
    White Non-Hispanic Alone (14.9%)
    Asian alone (4.0%)

    Murder Rate 146

    Kanawha County, West Virginia

    Median Household Income $46,325
    Median Home Value $107,000

    White Non-Hispanic Alone (88.6%)
    Black Non-Hispanic Alone (7.2%)
    Asian alone (1.0%)

    Murder Rate 18

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Lot

    "It is the other way around.

    It is much safer to live around poor whites than middle and upper class blacks."

    The majority of the Black middle class in PG County have government jobs and a Black person does not have to be part of The Black Talented Tenth like Thomas Sowell and Neil deGrasse Tyson, to get a well paying government job.

    Replies: @dc.sunsets

  18. @Arclight
    Normally I tend to blow off suggestions that mass media (music, movies,video games) amplifies violence but I have a hard time doing that now, particularly with rap music. Despite the left's attempts to portray most of this genre as subtle and brilliant art, a huge percentage of it revolves around crude boasts about money, drugs/drinking, promiscuity, and violence.

    It appears to me that lots of young black men and boys essentially model their behavior after the archetypical character in a rap song. In fact, it's common too see some young black guy with headphones on walking down the street or standing at the bus stop rapping along with his favorite song complete with the gestures and expressions of the rapper in the music video, as if he's trying to be that character. I don't see white hipsters doing that while listening to the latest Wilco or even high schoolers play-acting to the soundtrack of teen pop music.

    Obviously, the way people dress or act can be a reflection of their cultural influences of the moment, and I just as often silently laugh at the white kids who spend hours cultivating a look that is supposed to look careless, but guys with greasy hair, beards, and retro clothing or messenger bags style aren't going to get wound up about some perceived slight and start shooting at a party or bar. In contrast, those that consciously mimic rap culture very well might.

    Replies: @Josh, @fnn, @Dave Pinsen, @E. Rekshun, @LKM

  19. @Lot

    But race, they say, is merely a proxy for poverty, joblessness and other socio-economic disadvantages that help breed violence.
     
    It is the other way around.

    It is much safer to live around poor whites than middle and upper class blacks.

    For instance:

    Prince George's County, MD

    Median household income $72,052
    Median home value $247,600

    Black Non-Hispanic Alone (63.5%)
    Hispanic or Latino (14.9%)
    White Non-Hispanic Alone (14.9%)
    Asian alone (4.0%)

    Murder Rate 146


    Kanawha County, West Virginia

    Median Household Income $46,325
    Median Home Value $107,000

    White Non-Hispanic Alone (88.6%)
    Black Non-Hispanic Alone (7.2%)
    Asian alone (1.0%)

    Murder Rate 18

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “It is the other way around.

    It is much safer to live around poor whites than middle and upper class blacks.”

    The majority of the Black middle class in PG County have government jobs and a Black person does not have to be part of The Black Talented Tenth like Thomas Sowell and Neil deGrasse Tyson, to get a well paying government job.

    • Agree: Nico
    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
    @Jefferson

    Untalented people surrounded by talented (or even average) people undoubtedly seethe with resentment.

    Affirmative Action in jobs is like Mainstreaming "special ed" kids in a normal classroom. The obvious is no less obvious just because it's policy.

    Mixing peoples harboring significant differences in population means increases knowledge....but not the way leftist ideologues intend.

  20. Instead of the “gun violence” stuff pushed in “Chi-Raq” (I saw the DVD; the Father Flakey character specifically attacked the NRA.), we should all endeavor to use the proper terminology: “Felonious Black Gunfire” or “FBG.” Imagine a Chicago Tribune headline stating: “Felonious Black Gunfire on Redline kills Three” instead of the usual “Gun Violence Kills Three on Redline.” Of course, that would be called “racist,” but who cares?

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Joe Stalin

    Newspaper articles used to cover violence among blacks with a certain sardonic amusement.

    Dallas Morning News

    December 29, 1891
    BLOOD LETTING
    Razor and Fence Paling Used.

    PARIS, Tex., Dec. 28. There was a lively free fight among the colored barbers in the quarter known as Boardtown in which fence palings, walking canes and razors played a conspicuous part. Saturday night a negro named Brown who shaves colored people, picks a banjo and fights on very little provocation had a row with Silas Washington, who shaves white folks and wears good clothes. The thing passed off without loss of blood. Yesterday afternoon Silas and another barber named Jim Garnett were walking along the street that runs through Boardtown when they were met by Brown, who renewed the hostilities. A three-cornered fight ensued. Garnett had a cane, Washington had a paling and Brown a razor. After being thumped a few times by Garnett and Washington, Brown got in his work with his trusty razor and slashed Washington across the forehead, making an ugly gash, and cutting Garnett across the left wrist, cutting the leaders and arteries and inflicting a dangerous wound. Brown was arrested.

    Dallas Morning News

    September 2, 1888

    SERIOUS CUTTING AFFRAY

    Two Brothers, Negroes, Carve and Slash Each Other.

    Denton, Tex., Aug. 31. A serious difficulty occurred three miles northeast of the city last night at a negro dance, in which two darkies, John and Ed Crawford, were seriously carved with the old proverbial negro razor. It seems that Ed and John were brothers, but full of whisky, and, being rivals for the same damsel, a difficulty occurred, in which John drew his razor and cut his brother a fearful gash, almost severing one of his ribs; whereupon another darky named Bob Hagman, being possessed of a razor also, made a stroke at John and with tonsorial dexterity inflicted a gash across his face and throat about eight inches long. Both the carvers are lodged in the county jail and the two carved negroes are doing as well as could be expected. It is thought that both will recover.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

  21. @Salger
    @SPMoore8


    I notice that the NYT “picks” among the comments are all stressing the need to get rid of guns, nothing in the constitution about owning a handgun, etc.
     
    Did you point out all the nations with higher homicides per capita than America that don't have more guns?

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “Did you point out all the nations with higher homicides per capita than America that don’t have more guns?”

    You mean all the nations in Africa?(as well as some in South Africa). Blogger Paul Kersey has already done that research.

    • Replies: @Salger
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Have a link to Paul Kersey's blog then?

    Replies: @DaJuice

    , @Gringo
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “Did you point out all the nations with higher homicides per capita than America that don’t have more guns?”

    The US murder rate of 3.8/100,000 currently ranks 114th out of 218 countries. It ranks 1st in the world in gun ownership. Right there you know there is a weak argument for claiming that a high gun ownership rate goes hand-in-hand with a high murder rate. The correlation for murder rate and gun ownership for 174 countries is -0.1339, which is a weak negative correlation. Those with more knowledge of statistics may correct me, but my conclusion is that there is basically no correlation between gun ownership and murder rate worldwide. If anything, there is a weak tendency for the more guns, the less murder.

    If there were a strong correlation between gun ownership and murder, the correlation would be +0.5 or higher. Instead, it is -0.1339. Perhaps stats people could inform us where the break-off point would be.

    The standard response of the anti-gun people is that "We are talking about CIVILIZED countries." [Well that is not precisely the term they use, but that is what they mean.] They mean Western Europe. If you include 39 countries of Europe- not just Western Europe, you get a correlation of -.31912, which is a somewhat high negative correlation: the more guns, the less murder. In any event, anyone who claims that Europe is the poster child for less guns, less murder is a deliberate liar or an ignorant fool.

    A number of countries in Europe have relatively high gun ownership rates of ~30/100, but low murder rates of less than 1.6/100,000: Serbia, Switzerland, Norway, France, Germany, Sweden, Austria, and Germany. Russia has a low gun ownership rate of 9/100 but a murder rate of 8.9.100,000, more than twice that of the US.

    I don't like guns, courtesy of a childhood friend losing his life in a gun accident with his brother, but I don't like the mendacity of the anti-gun people, either.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

  22. @Hosswire
    Blacks are killing blacks. Other blacks are then not talking to the cops, so the shooters walk.

    Quick, white people. Do something!

    Replies: @rod1963, @RonaldB

    Why, I don’t see a problem?

  23. It’s risky, but I think Trump would profit from making rising crime rates a focus of his campaign.

    People forget that more blacks than whites supported Clinton’s crime bill. Given that crime rates are rising so precipitously for the last 2 years, Trump should just go ahead and highlight how the Democrats are so politically vested in identity politics that they literally cannot even discuss this.

    When he brought up Oakland and Ferguson, there was the predictable reaction of what a racist buffoon he is, but it was a good opportunity to talk about this stuff. I also really liked that he brought it up. It gelled well with his America First philosophy.

    • Replies: @anon
    @RamonaQ


    It’s risky, but I think Trump would profit from making rising crime rates a focus of his campaign.
     
    Yes, not sure on the timing but at some point - maybe tie it into some very simple hbd related reality e.g. most violent crime is committed by men in a certain age bracket and most illegals are men in that age bracket so... obvious end result is obvious.
  24. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    I have a suggestion for how to deal with Africa’s population explosion.

    Let’s send lots of guns to Africa.

    • Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur
    @The most deplorable one

    Humor noted, but most people don't realize that violence, unless it's really extreme, usually increases fertility by far more than replacement.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    , @Mr. Anon
    @The most deplorable one

    "I have a suggestion for how to deal with Africa’s population explosion.

    Let’s send lots of guns to Africa."

    I think the Soviet Union and Cuba already did.

    Perhaps Sean Connery should be put on the job:

    Zardoz

  25. Ed says:
    @Otto the P
    Black people don't kill black people because of racism, poverty, economic inequality, lack of opportunity. Rather those things are symptoms, not causes; they occur for the SAME REASON as black violence: low IQ, low impulse control, low concept of future, low grasp of cause and effect, low investment in family and society, low character and, oh yes, low IQ. To make it worse, they've been told by liberal fools and scoundrels for two generations that nothing is their fault, it's all The System. Did I mention low IQ?

    Replies: @Ed, @Anonym, @Corvinus, @Mack Bolan

    The article even points to it. This isn’t about drugs or gangs but the inability of blacks to control themselves. Here’s an example I experience last night.

    My gf & I went to Target last night. Only two registers were open and there was about ten people waiting in a single line. Thus in the very from register no one was directly waiting. This young black girl with her daughter walks up feigns like she is asking if the register is available. As she is doing this another cashier opens up their register & she pounces. Seeing this I called her out. She calls me a “fag**t” & that she’ll meet me outside. I respond that’s how you talk in front of your daughter?

    They have little couth, civility or self-control and when they’re in the ghetto incidents like these happen routinely & end in violence. The underclass blacks really do need a firm hand guiding their every move. They aren’t fit for modern society.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Ed


    She calls me a “fag**t” & that she’ll meet me outside.
     
    If this is Target, why not meet her in the restroom?
    , @gh
    @Ed

    thats why we had apartheid in south africa

    , @Corvinus
    @Ed

    "This isn’t about drugs or gangs but the inability of blacks to control themselves. Here’s an example I experience last night."

    Exactly! Every single, or at least most every, black person in the United States acts this way. I mean, few if any act in any civilized fashion. They are all big, nasty, and mean.

    "The underclass blacks really do need a firm hand guiding their every move. They aren’t fit for modern society."

    Definitely! They need someone like yourself under their wing. After all, you were able to teach a thing or two about Western Civilization for those underclass whites and Hispanics, right? You are just the jabroni, I mean man, for the job.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Anonymous

  26. I have been involved in competitive shooting for 20 years, and shot in national events for the last twelve. Among the thousands and thousands of shooters I have encountered over that period of time, I can literally count the number of blacks on one hand.

    Competitive shooting is, above all else, a game of extreme, Zen-like mental focus. It requires a significant attention to detail in terms of equipment and environmental conditions. I would liken the attitude of the competitive shooter to that of a professional pilot — all business, which includes a positively anal emphasis on safety.

    Blacks do not generally possess these traits. Consequently, the competitive shooting community is 99.9+ percent white. I believe that blacks are genetically hard-wired to have less impulse control than whites, and that this attribute explains black success in pursuits that require spontaneous behavior, like basketball and bebop jazz, but it also explains a LOT of senseless black criminality and the ease with which blacks routinely just grab a gun and shoot wildly after the slightest provocation.

    Competitive shooters, many of whom have fired hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammunition, would never do anything like that.

    The problem with impulsive black shootings is that they are being used politically to justify infringements on the freedoms of millions of sober, responsible, self-sufficient whites. Perhaps the Founders were right — all of them believed that blacks were incapable of functioning in a free society, and that blacks would be better off if they were emancipated and then repatriated to Africa.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Dr. X

    I don't shoot competitively but I do shoot at ranges quite a bit and I very seldom see black shooters at all. I don't think this has only to do with focus . It's a pretty expensive hobby as you know, and not that many blacks can afford it ,or for that matter enjoy the tinkering and measuring etc. That being said, the cops I see at the range are almost all white although the local force is 30 percent black.

    Replies: @SPMoore8

    , @Rifleman
    @Dr. X

    Competitive shooting is, above all else, a game of extreme, Zen-like mental focus. It requires a significant attention to detail in terms of equipment and environmental conditions. I would liken the attitude of the competitive shooter to that of a professional pilot...

    Which leads to the question of rates of OCD and autism among blacks.

    Maybe the lower rates of nerdiness, OCD and autism among blacks is a reason for their general lack of interest in an activity such as competitive shooting.

    Guys standing around shooting precisely at stationary targets with no outcome other than comparing relative precision with other dudes is never going to motivate black or sub saharan males.

    It's a wonder the activity isn't more Asian.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun, @Twinkie

    , @dr kill
    @Dr. X

    Here in Palm Beach County I have the opposite experience. Attending local gun shows, I guesstimate the white crowd at about 80 percent. The non - white crowd generally looks like the evening crime report news; complete with dreads, neck tats and baby mamas, except for the friendly, fun- interacting experience we all share. Brothers and Sisters of the Gun. Damn, gun shows are fun.
    Ain't no felons buying guns at a Florida gun show, pay no mind to Eric Holder.

    , @Twinkie
    @Dr. X


    Consequently, the competitive shooting community is 99.9+ percent white.
     
    Your number is a bit off. One of the greatest American female competitive shooter is Vera Koo, of Chinese ancestry, who won the Bianchi Cup record 8 times. She's probably the greatest female competitive action shooter ever. Among the younger set, there are shooters such as Tori Nonaka of Team Glock and Chris Cheng, a former Googler, who won Top Shot season 4. There are quite a few Asian-Americans in the shooting sports, far in excess of 0.1%. Along with whites, Asians punch above their weight in shooting sports.

    And that's just the domestic scene. Internationally, East Asians dominate several shooting sports, including Olympic pistol shooting. Here are the nationalities of mens pistol shooting medalists in the last three Olympics:

    2004 Athens Gold: Russia; Silver: South Korea; Bronze: North Korea
    2008 Beijing Gold: South Korea; Silver: China; Bronze: Russia
    2012 London Gold: South Korea; Silver: South Korea; Bronze: China

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Former Darfur, @Dr. X

  27. @Yak-15
    @slumber_j

    The hill theory seems to explain the Riverdale neighborhood in the Bronx. It's on a real high hill with relatively restricted access from the rest of the Bronx. Obstacles include a major highway, ravines, a very steep slopping hill and not a lot of roads into the area.

    Replies: @slumber_j, @Big Bill, @Lovernios X

    I think that’s right. And Riverdale is further insulated by Van Cortlandt Park, and by Kingsbridge down the hill to the southeast, which is pretty solidly working class. Or at least it was twenty years ago or so when I spent a few nights there. I think Kingsbridge works as a buffer to the rest of the borough in a way.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @slumber_j

    My old neighbor was a top cross country runner in New York, and had some memories of Van Cortlandt Park. He mentioned the route going up Cemetery Hill, which separated the pack?

  28. Outside a crowded bar in Decatur, Ill., a customer found an expensive watch.

    OT, but I’d just like to remind everyone that that is the hometown of Shitavius Cook.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @anon



    Outside a crowded bar in Decatur, Ill., a customer found an expensive watch.

     

    OT, but I’d just like to remind everyone that that is the hometown of Shitavius Cook.
     
    Decatur once hosted an NFL franchise, the Staleys. Now they could host another, the Shitavii.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @anon



    Shitavius Cook

     

    Is that a clan of spicy Indian cuisine restaurant owners like the Patel/Hotel clan?
  29. …lives are shattered when a firearm is readily available — in a waistband, a glove compartment, a mailbox or garbage can that serves as a gang’s gun locker.

    Yeah. All you NRA types would waste dudes all the time if you didn’t have fancy holsters, rifle racks and actual gun lockers. You know they say never pull a gun out of a flower pot if you don’t intend to use it.

  30. Both he and Mr. Abdullah say they wish some of the outrage over police killings of unarmed African-Americans would spill over to victims who die in anonymity in routine gun violence.

    But of course, much of the outrage over the former is distraction and psychological displacement intended to draw attention away from the latter.

    • Agree: Forbes
  31. @Arclight
    Normally I tend to blow off suggestions that mass media (music, movies,video games) amplifies violence but I have a hard time doing that now, particularly with rap music. Despite the left's attempts to portray most of this genre as subtle and brilliant art, a huge percentage of it revolves around crude boasts about money, drugs/drinking, promiscuity, and violence.

    It appears to me that lots of young black men and boys essentially model their behavior after the archetypical character in a rap song. In fact, it's common too see some young black guy with headphones on walking down the street or standing at the bus stop rapping along with his favorite song complete with the gestures and expressions of the rapper in the music video, as if he's trying to be that character. I don't see white hipsters doing that while listening to the latest Wilco or even high schoolers play-acting to the soundtrack of teen pop music.

    Obviously, the way people dress or act can be a reflection of their cultural influences of the moment, and I just as often silently laugh at the white kids who spend hours cultivating a look that is supposed to look careless, but guys with greasy hair, beards, and retro clothing or messenger bags style aren't going to get wound up about some perceived slight and start shooting at a party or bar. In contrast, those that consciously mimic rap culture very well might.

    Replies: @Josh, @fnn, @Dave Pinsen, @E. Rekshun, @LKM

    Yeah, young low IQ blacks seem to internalize the media messages that promote violence and promiscuity. For example:
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-22/rapper-threatens-kill-donald-trump-if-his-mommas-food-stamps-are-taken-away

    Meanwhile, South Korea is clearly not as safe for female tourists as Japan:
    http://diversityischaos.blogspot.com/2016/05/south-korea-country-where-rape-of.html

    • Replies: @Lot
    @fnn


    Meanwhile, South Korea is clearly not as safe for female tourists as Japan:
     
    An Australian woman is drugged and raped in South Korea. We learn at the very end of the article, after tut-tuts about Korean rape culture and indifference to sexual assault, that the rapist was Nigerian.
    , @Erik Sieven
    @fnn

    taking into account the recent Okinawa case I wonder which percentage of yearly rapes in South Korea and Japan combined is committed by black men. Also I wonder whether in the last 5000 years there has be been one single case of an east asian man sexual assaulting a woman in subsaharan Africa. Also it would be interesting whether in the last decades (after WW II) one single western women has been sexually assaulted in Korea, Japan or China.

    Replies: @Whoever

  32. The Constitution and the 2nd Amendment was written for white people. A different sort of government may work better for black people. But I don’t want to change the Constitution to make it more suitable for black people (generally speaking) but less suitable for white people (again generally speaking).

    • Replies: @another fred
    @artichoke


    “We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion…Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
    - John Adams .

     

    As Derb so often reminds us, demography is destiny.
  33. Stan says:

    Not trending on Fakebook.

    BlackLiesMatter – Activist Group Leader Arrested For Sex Trafficking,

    The Daily Caller obtained a police report stating that Wade was picked up in a College Park police sting after cops responded to a backpage.com ad from a woman who claimed to be 23, offering sexual services at an area Howard Johnson hotel.

    When police arrived and confronted the woman, who turned out to be 17, she identified Wade, who had been watching from the parking lot, as her “manager” named “CJ.” The police then arrested Wade who, according to the report, had rented the hotel room and was carrying three cell phones.

    According to the police report, the woman told police that “CJ” knew she was underage and “wasn’t worried” because she’d turn 18 in a few months. She told investigators that she provided CJ with all of the money she made in her endeavors.

  34. Seems like there is a huge potential competitive advantage for a gang that invests even a tiny amount of time and money in teaching its shooters how to shoot. Not sure whether it’s a good or bad thing that none of them have figured this out.

    • Replies: @psmith
    @27 year old


    Police officials say they suspect that as many as half of the 24 victims were not the intended targets; community workers blame self-taught gunmen who are often high on drugs or were drunk. “They are not marksmen,” said Aaron Pullins, an anti-violence worker. “They don’t know how to hold the gun. They just shoot.”
     
    End the carnage! Teach marksmanship!

    (but I think Dr. X is on to something too.).

    Replies: @Bill Jones

  35. Another related, but seperate comment: DUELING. It needs to come back.

  36. Can whites and Asians please start having a lot more babies? Black fertility is still way higher, especially when you factor in paternity. Most of the stats only look at maternity, but for blacks this misses a great deal of children since perhaps as many as 1/4 of black men father children with non-blacks.

    • Replies: @dcite
    @Judah Benjamin Hur

    Where are your statistics for that?

    Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur, @Triumph104

  37. @Dirk Dagger
    @Harry Baldwin


    Maybe the New York Times could explain why those who might want to read about black-on-black and black-on-white crime have to read the Daily Mail.
     
    Heck, the once great NY Post is now afflicted.

    The Daily Mail describes the unidentified suspect as:

    "… a black male, around 18 years old with a thin build and about 5'5''.
    He is said to have a tattoo on his neck and was last seen wearing a gray and blue jacket, police told Daily Mail Online."

    But the NY Post …

    http://nypost.com/2016/05/21/nobody-helped-me-subway-stabbing-victim-speaks-out/

    Replies: @artichoke

    “The tall young man with a neck tattoo bolted as the train entered the Atlantic Avenue-Barclays Center Station in Downtown Brooklyn.”

    So not only is race not mentioned, he went from thin build and about 5’5”, to tall. Is he short, or tall??

  38. @The most deplorable one
    I have a suggestion for how to deal with Africa's population explosion.

    Let's send lots of guns to Africa.

    Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur, @Mr. Anon

    Humor noted, but most people don’t realize that violence, unless it’s really extreme, usually increases fertility by far more than replacement.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Judah Benjamin Hur

    From Demolition Man (1993):

    “There is, of course, a well-known and documented connection between sex and violence. Not so much a causal effect, but a general state of neurological arousal. And after having observed your behavior this evening, and my resultant condition ... I was wondering if you would like to have sex.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFrkcCufwK4#t=0m12s

    There's a lot of subversive crimethink in this flick, if you read between the lines. Raymond Cocteau's San Angeles is a leftist-wet-dream totalitarian dictatorship, where everything that is bad for you (caffeine, contact sports, cigarettes, meat, guns) is banned. Cocteau unleashes Simon Phoenix, a ferocious black criminal, to eliminate the rebels who represent the last lingering threats to his total dictatorial rule. Cocteau believes he can control and manipulate Phoenix, but in the end he is killed. It takes a good, old-fashioned, pull-no-punches cop - Johnn Spartan - to bring Phoenix down.

  39. @Dr. X
    I have been involved in competitive shooting for 20 years, and shot in national events for the last twelve. Among the thousands and thousands of shooters I have encountered over that period of time, I can literally count the number of blacks on one hand.

    Competitive shooting is, above all else, a game of extreme, Zen-like mental focus. It requires a significant attention to detail in terms of equipment and environmental conditions. I would liken the attitude of the competitive shooter to that of a professional pilot -- all business, which includes a positively anal emphasis on safety.

    Blacks do not generally possess these traits. Consequently, the competitive shooting community is 99.9+ percent white. I believe that blacks are genetically hard-wired to have less impulse control than whites, and that this attribute explains black success in pursuits that require spontaneous behavior, like basketball and bebop jazz, but it also explains a LOT of senseless black criminality and the ease with which blacks routinely just grab a gun and shoot wildly after the slightest provocation.

    Competitive shooters, many of whom have fired hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammunition, would never do anything like that.

    The problem with impulsive black shootings is that they are being used politically to justify infringements on the freedoms of millions of sober, responsible, self-sufficient whites. Perhaps the Founders were right -- all of them believed that blacks were incapable of functioning in a free society, and that blacks would be better off if they were emancipated and then repatriated to Africa.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Rifleman, @dr kill, @Twinkie

    I don’t shoot competitively but I do shoot at ranges quite a bit and I very seldom see black shooters at all. I don’t think this has only to do with focus . It’s a pretty expensive hobby as you know, and not that many blacks can afford it ,or for that matter enjoy the tinkering and measuring etc. That being said, the cops I see at the range are almost all white although the local force is 30 percent black.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @kaganovitch

    I used to do a lot of shooting, sidearms and mostly rifle. Not to say I was such a great shot, but I simply cannot associate pulling or hoisting a weapon and just firing. I think that's part of what OP is getting at: if you are trained to go through a certain routine before you fire (e.g., BRASS) it's kind of hard to just let fly.

    Replies: @The Practical Conservative

  40. In 2013, Dawaun Wallace had three felony warrants for selling heroin. Either he won his cases, managed to elude the police until 2015, or he did some snitching, perhaps against a friend or relative of Mr. Murphy’s.

    Mr. Wallace also has a history of assault and carrying a concealed weapon. (Photo in the link.)

    http://www.700wlw.com/onair/jim-scott-225/crimestoppers-52313-11315405/

  41. @anon

    Outside a crowded bar in Decatur, Ill., a customer found an expensive watch.
     
    OT, but I'd just like to remind everyone that that is the hometown of Shitavius Cook.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Hippopotamusdrome

    Outside a crowded bar in Decatur, Ill., a customer found an expensive watch.

    OT, but I’d just like to remind everyone that that is the hometown of Shitavius Cook.

    Decatur once hosted an NFL franchise, the Staleys. Now they could host another, the Shitavii.

  42. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Salger

    "Did you point out all the nations with higher homicides per capita than America that don’t have more guns?"


    You mean all the nations in Africa?(as well as some in South Africa). Blogger Paul Kersey has already done that research.

    Replies: @Salger, @Gringo

    Have a link to Paul Kersey’s blog then?

    • Replies: @DaJuice
    @Salger

    http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com

  43. @Ed
    @Otto the P

    The article even points to it. This isn't about drugs or gangs but the inability of blacks to control themselves. Here's an example I experience last night.

    My gf & I went to Target last night. Only two registers were open and there was about ten people waiting in a single line. Thus in the very from register no one was directly waiting. This young black girl with her daughter walks up feigns like she is asking if the register is available. As she is doing this another cashier opens up their register & she pounces. Seeing this I called her out. She calls me a "fag**t" & that she'll meet me outside. I respond that's how you talk in front of your daughter?

    They have little couth, civility or self-control and when they're in the ghetto incidents like these happen routinely & end in violence. The underclass blacks really do need a firm hand guiding their every move. They aren't fit for modern society.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @gh, @Corvinus

    She calls me a “fag**t” & that she’ll meet me outside.

    If this is Target, why not meet her in the restroom?

    • Agree: SPMoore8
  44. @kaganovitch
    @Dr. X

    I don't shoot competitively but I do shoot at ranges quite a bit and I very seldom see black shooters at all. I don't think this has only to do with focus . It's a pretty expensive hobby as you know, and not that many blacks can afford it ,or for that matter enjoy the tinkering and measuring etc. That being said, the cops I see at the range are almost all white although the local force is 30 percent black.

    Replies: @SPMoore8

    I used to do a lot of shooting, sidearms and mostly rifle. Not to say I was such a great shot, but I simply cannot associate pulling or hoisting a weapon and just firing. I think that’s part of what OP is getting at: if you are trained to go through a certain routine before you fire (e.g., BRASS) it’s kind of hard to just let fly.

    • Replies: @The Practical Conservative
    @SPMoore8

    That kind of routine doesn't happen when the father can't be reached for comment, y'know?

  45. Attributing black gun violence to early 90’s “gangsta” rap is fundamentally wrongheaded, for a couple of reasons:

    1. “Gangsta” rap doesn’t happen in a vaccuum. It’s an aesthetic incarnation of a thing that’s happening previous to its pop-cultural incarnation (i.e., Biggie isn’t putting something in a song because it happened in another song he heard, it’s par for the course in an already extant cultural environment).

    2. Black youth in 2016 ain’t listening to ’90’s shit. Popular rap today is in a much different state than it was in the ’90’s and even the early 2000’s (which is peak moron in the history of hip hop (though it produced some really enjoyable, although admittedly retarded, music)). There’s a Chicago rap scene that’s broadly representative of the violent environs of the city but popular rap (read: rap that young black people actually listen to) is more in line with Drake/Kanye abstraction than Wu-Tang or Geto Boys street violence.

    • Replies: @V Vega
    @anonitron1


    2. Black youth in 2016 ain’t listening to ’90′s shit. Popular rap today is in a much different state than it was in the ’90′s and even the early 2000′s (which is peak moron in the history of hip hop (though it produced some really enjoyable,
     
    Looks like the rapper Hopsin is getting some great hit action on YouTube. In this rap, he starts smart by going after white people first, presumably to shield himself from the "uncle tom" moniker, but he DOES read the laundry list of black men later, and... I gotta say he did it well.

    I like this Hopsin fellow. He's a bright and talented chap. Hope he doesn't let me down:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRVOOwFNp5U

    Replies: @Josh, @anon

    , @Lot
    @anonitron1

    Lead in the water and air plus undermining the police plus crack all contributed to peak black violence. The media glorification including rap did make it worse however, gangsta rap was part of the permissive nihilist culture.


    Popular rap today is in a much different state than it was in the ’90′s ... Drake/Kanye abstraction
     
    Seems like the same garbage "music" of black guys screaming about how they are so awesome violent and rich as 25 years ago.

    Here are the lyrics to the current #1 rap single:

    [Intro - Kyla & Wizkid:]
    Baby, I like your style

    [Verse 1 - Drake:]
    Grips on your waist
    Front way, back way
    You know that I don't play
    Streets not safe
    But I never run away
    Even when I'm away
    Oti, oti, there's never much love when we go, oti
    I pray to make it back in one piece
    I pray, I pray

    [Hook - Drake:]
    That's why I need a one dance
    Got a Hennessy in my hand
    One more time 'fore I go
    Higher powers taking a hold on me
    I need a one dance
    Got a Hennessy in my hand
    One more time 'fore I go
    Higher powers taking a hold on me

    [Bridge - Kyla & Wizkid:]
    Baby, I like your style

    [Verse 2 - Drake:]
    Strength and guidance
    All that I'm wishing for my friends
    Nobody makes it from my ends
    I had to bust up the silence
    You know you gotta stick by me
    Soon as you see the text, reply me
    I don't wanna spend time fighting
    We've got no time

    Here's the immediately prior #1 rap song:

    Panda, Panda, Panda, Panda, Panda
    Panda, Panda...

    I got broads in Atlanta
    Twisting dope, lean, and the Fanta
    Credit cards and the scammers
    Hitting off licks in the bando
    Black X6, Phantom
    White X6 looks like a panda
    Going out like I'm Montana
    Hundred killers, hundred hammers
    Black X6, Phantom
    White X6, panda
    Pockets swole, Danny
    Selling bar, candy
    Man I'm the macho like Randy
    The choppa go Oscar for Grammy
    Bitch nigga pull up ya panty
    Hope you killas understand me
    , @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    @anonitron1

    "Attributing black gun violence to early 90′s “gangsta” rap is fundamentally wrongheaded, for a couple of reasons:"
    You knowing about this stuff makes me sad.

    Replies: @Anonitron2

    , @Yak-15
    @anonitron1

    I cannot seem to find a reliable table of data regarding the number of shootings in each year nationally or at the municipal level. However, I can see that the murder rate peaked for most places in the 70s and gun violence is a likely proxy for murder rate. By that account, the amount of gun violence decreased in the 90s in most major cities. Perhaps this is due to medical technology or less stabbings.

    Can someone reconcile if there have been less shootings or more since the peak of black urban crime in the 70s?

    , @Forbes
    @anonitron1

    Stay with me here... Following Sunday's Yankees-Athletics game, the YES network runs a new edition of the Joe Girardi Show. They run a taped segment featuring reliever Andrew Miller, who had his birthday during the week. In it, they ask him a series of questions, e.g. favorite TV show, and some sports related questions. They follow the segment by asking Joe Girardi the very same questions.

    Included in the questions was the choosing of a favorite as between Drake and Kanye. Both took a pass as essentially unfamiliar with either, e.g. not my kind of music. Girardi (age 51) said The Rolling Stones were more to his liking. That the producers thought either of these white bread baseball players, products of middle America, would have any interest in this genre is astounding, but not surprising.

    , @Bill Jones
    @anonitron1

    I was happy to note that no reference to people made here informed me in the slightest.

  46. To use correct terminology, I believe most of the ” sweet sixteen parties” that involve shootings are probably actually called ” quinceaneras “. You would think the NYT would be more sensitive about micro aggressions such as appropriating Latino culture by imposing Anglo terms.

  47. “How much of the current black … predilection … stems from memes transmitted and reinforced by the gangsta rap that emerged around 1988?”

    Yeah, I’ll never forget an interview the local TV news did with two Oakland bros around 1992. One guy said “they used to come at you from the shoulders, but now they comin’ with guns.”

  48. @Anonymous
    OT:

    Susan Rice: Too Many Whites On National Security Team Putting America At Risk

    http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/05/22/susan-rice-too-many-whites-national-security-team-putting-america-risk

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Anonymous, @Dirk Dagger

  49. There is literally nothing to be done about Black on Black murders. Nothing. They have always been appallingly high as even WEB Dubois noted in his “The Philadelphia Negro” which covered Black criminal behavior in Philly from 1800-1898. Written as a response to George Washington Carver, Dubois argues that Black people were innately more criminal even than the most deprived and criminal White immigrants in the same city and thus unable to win political power and equal rights under Segregation through economic advancement as Carver favored. Thus the Talented Tenth would agitate for White concessions and of course, pocket the majority of the goodies.

    Still the data in Dubois book is compelling. Leovy in her book conveniently overlooks the historical record in places like Philly, and the underlying dynamic which is sexual reproduction. Simply put Black women demand even greater A hole levels in their men, killers best of all. Every ghetto shooting of a baby, grandma, or other innocent gets the shooter laid that night. And thereafter.

    Fundamentally Black people don’t WANT the violence to be greatly reduced — it would greatly reduce their fertility.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Whiskey

    "Written as a response to George Washington Carver, Dubois argues that Black people were innately more criminal even than the most deprived and criminal White immigrants in the same city..."

    Do you have specific citations?

    Replies: @res

    , @anon
    @Whiskey


    There is literally nothing to be done about Black on Black murders. Nothing.
     
    Sure there is.

    There's a "killer" type, almost certainly largely genetic, and they're maybe 1-2% among white people and something like 4-8% among black people.

    (I'd also guess the white percentage is more often packaged with extreme self control as that's how those men's ancestors avoided getting hanged in the past.)

    Reduce that percentage down to 1-2% and the black homicide rate would be a lot lower.

    (It wouldn't necessarily fix any IQ, time preference, impulsiveness etc elements but it would get it down closer to the white left-side average.)

    Replies: @anon

    , @Boomstick
    @Whiskey

    While Black crime will almost certainly be higher than that of the general population, the Black murder rate has moved up and down by substantial amounts over the last 50 years or so. That shows environment, culture, and policing matter a lot.

    Replies: @Jack D

  50. @SPMoore8
    @kaganovitch

    I used to do a lot of shooting, sidearms and mostly rifle. Not to say I was such a great shot, but I simply cannot associate pulling or hoisting a weapon and just firing. I think that's part of what OP is getting at: if you are trained to go through a certain routine before you fire (e.g., BRASS) it's kind of hard to just let fly.

    Replies: @The Practical Conservative

    That kind of routine doesn’t happen when the father can’t be reached for comment, y’know?

  51. Median house price in PG Country is under a quarter million? Wow. That’s like half the price in Oakland. He’ll, even Richmond and Vallejo are more expensive than that. No wonder PG has so much crime!

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    @Anthony

    That's institutionalized racism. Prince George's county is 65 percent black, Oakland 22 percent, Richmond 27 percent, Vallejo 22 percent.


    The same problem in southern DeKalb County, GA.


    The people here make good money, he says. They have good jobs. Their homes are built of the same sturdy brick. Early, an economic development consultant and real estate agent, can identify only one obvious difference that makes property here worth so much less.

    “This can’t happen by accident,” he says. “It’s too tightly correlated with race for it to be based on something else.”

     

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/blacks-and-property-values/
  52. This article describes every single episode of The First 48.

    • Replies: @anon
    @SnakeEyes

    Yes, great show - it shows exactly what Tom Wolfe called the "pos" cases in Bonfire of the Vanities: adult sized toddlers having temper tantrums.

    (Also shows there are a lot of regular people living in the middle of the crazy - the people i think Trump will get if he plays it right.)

    , @anon
    @SnakeEyes

    An excellent show. Actually I am surprised it hasn't been forced off the air as it makes it so clear what blacks and their crime-rates are really like.

  53. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    I am so confused.

    South Korea stands accused of having a rape culture or something, yet it is a Nigerian man who was arrested for her rape.

    It is just so confusing.

  54. @Anthony
    Median house price in PG Country is under a quarter million? Wow. That's like half the price in Oakland. He'll, even Richmond and Vallejo are more expensive than that. No wonder PG has so much crime!

    Replies: @Triumph104

    That’s institutionalized racism. Prince George’s county is 65 percent black, Oakland 22 percent, Richmond 27 percent, Vallejo 22 percent.

    The same problem in southern DeKalb County, GA.

    The people here make good money, he says. They have good jobs. Their homes are built of the same sturdy brick. Early, an economic development consultant and real estate agent, can identify only one obvious difference that makes property here worth so much less.

    “This can’t happen by accident,” he says. “It’s too tightly correlated with race for it to be based on something else.”

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/blacks-and-property-values/

  55. @Joe Stalin
    Instead of the "gun violence" stuff pushed in "Chi-Raq" (I saw the DVD; the Father Flakey character specifically attacked the NRA.), we should all endeavor to use the proper terminology: "Felonious Black Gunfire" or "FBG." Imagine a Chicago Tribune headline stating: "Felonious Black Gunfire on Redline kills Three" instead of the usual "Gun Violence Kills Three on Redline." Of course, that would be called "racist," but who cares?

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Newspaper articles used to cover violence among blacks with a certain sardonic amusement.

    Dallas Morning News

    December 29, 1891
    BLOOD LETTING
    Razor and Fence Paling Used.

    PARIS, Tex., Dec. 28. There was a lively free fight among the colored barbers in the quarter known as Boardtown in which fence palings, walking canes and razors played a conspicuous part. Saturday night a negro named Brown who shaves colored people, picks a banjo and fights on very little provocation had a row with Silas Washington, who shaves white folks and wears good clothes. The thing passed off without loss of blood. Yesterday afternoon Silas and another barber named Jim Garnett were walking along the street that runs through Boardtown when they were met by Brown, who renewed the hostilities. A three-cornered fight ensued. Garnett had a cane, Washington had a paling and Brown a razor. After being thumped a few times by Garnett and Washington, Brown got in his work with his trusty razor and slashed Washington across the forehead, making an ugly gash, and cutting Garnett across the left wrist, cutting the leaders and arteries and inflicting a dangerous wound. Brown was arrested.

    Dallas Morning News

    September 2, 1888

    SERIOUS CUTTING AFFRAY

    Two Brothers, Negroes, Carve and Slash Each Other.

    Denton, Tex., Aug. 31. A serious difficulty occurred three miles northeast of the city last night at a negro dance, in which two darkies, John and Ed Crawford, were seriously carved with the old proverbial negro razor. It seems that Ed and John were brothers, but full of whisky, and, being rivals for the same damsel, a difficulty occurred, in which John drew his razor and cut his brother a fearful gash, almost severing one of his ribs; whereupon another darky named Bob Hagman, being possessed of a razor also, made a stroke at John and with tonsorial dexterity inflicted a gash across his face and throat about eight inches long. Both the carvers are lodged in the county jail and the two carved negroes are doing as well as could be expected. It is thought that both will recover.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Harry Baldwin



    a certain sardonic amusement.

     



    The Washington herald., January 14, 1908, Page 6, Image 6
    ...
    A mob of North Carolina negroes lynched the proprietor of a negro theatrical outfit because his show did not come up to the advance agent's promises. Theoretically, this idea may be sound, but its general adoption would soon put the advance agent business all to the bad.

     

  56. @Anonymous
    OT:

    Susan Rice: Too Many Whites On National Security Team Putting America At Risk

    http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/05/22/susan-rice-too-many-whites-national-security-team-putting-america-risk

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Anonymous, @Dirk Dagger

    Susan Rice said that at Florida International University whose student body is only 11% white.

  57. Isn’t the “unwanted party guest” like a microcosm of open borders, mass immigration and multiculturalism?

    • Agree: BenKenobi
  58. @Harry Baldwin
    @Joe Stalin

    Newspaper articles used to cover violence among blacks with a certain sardonic amusement.

    Dallas Morning News

    December 29, 1891
    BLOOD LETTING
    Razor and Fence Paling Used.

    PARIS, Tex., Dec. 28. There was a lively free fight among the colored barbers in the quarter known as Boardtown in which fence palings, walking canes and razors played a conspicuous part. Saturday night a negro named Brown who shaves colored people, picks a banjo and fights on very little provocation had a row with Silas Washington, who shaves white folks and wears good clothes. The thing passed off without loss of blood. Yesterday afternoon Silas and another barber named Jim Garnett were walking along the street that runs through Boardtown when they were met by Brown, who renewed the hostilities. A three-cornered fight ensued. Garnett had a cane, Washington had a paling and Brown a razor. After being thumped a few times by Garnett and Washington, Brown got in his work with his trusty razor and slashed Washington across the forehead, making an ugly gash, and cutting Garnett across the left wrist, cutting the leaders and arteries and inflicting a dangerous wound. Brown was arrested.

    Dallas Morning News

    September 2, 1888

    SERIOUS CUTTING AFFRAY

    Two Brothers, Negroes, Carve and Slash Each Other.

    Denton, Tex., Aug. 31. A serious difficulty occurred three miles northeast of the city last night at a negro dance, in which two darkies, John and Ed Crawford, were seriously carved with the old proverbial negro razor. It seems that Ed and John were brothers, but full of whisky, and, being rivals for the same damsel, a difficulty occurred, in which John drew his razor and cut his brother a fearful gash, almost severing one of his ribs; whereupon another darky named Bob Hagman, being possessed of a razor also, made a stroke at John and with tonsorial dexterity inflicted a gash across his face and throat about eight inches long. Both the carvers are lodged in the county jail and the two carved negroes are doing as well as could be expected. It is thought that both will recover.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

    a certain sardonic amusement.

    The Washington herald., January 14, 1908, Page 6, Image 6

    A mob of North Carolina negroes lynched the proprietor of a negro theatrical outfit because his show did not come up to the advance agent’s promises. Theoretically, this idea may be sound, but its general adoption would soon put the advance agent business all to the bad.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  59. @anonitron1
    Attributing black gun violence to early 90's "gangsta" rap is fundamentally wrongheaded, for a couple of reasons:

    1. "Gangsta" rap doesn't happen in a vaccuum. It's an aesthetic incarnation of a thing that's happening previous to its pop-cultural incarnation (i.e., Biggie isn't putting something in a song because it happened in another song he heard, it's par for the course in an already extant cultural environment).

    2. Black youth in 2016 ain't listening to '90's shit. Popular rap today is in a much different state than it was in the '90's and even the early 2000's (which is peak moron in the history of hip hop (though it produced some really enjoyable, although admittedly retarded, music)). There's a Chicago rap scene that's broadly representative of the violent environs of the city but popular rap (read: rap that young black people actually listen to) is more in line with Drake/Kanye abstraction than Wu-Tang or Geto Boys street violence.

    Replies: @V Vega, @Lot, @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever..., @Yak-15, @Forbes, @Bill Jones

    2. Black youth in 2016 ain’t listening to ’90′s shit. Popular rap today is in a much different state than it was in the ’90′s and even the early 2000′s (which is peak moron in the history of hip hop (though it produced some really enjoyable,

    Looks like the rapper Hopsin is getting some great hit action on YouTube. In this rap, he starts smart by going after white people first, presumably to shield himself from the “uncle tom” moniker, but he DOES read the laundry list of black men later, and… I gotta say he did it well.

    I like this Hopsin fellow. He’s a bright and talented chap. Hope he doesn’t let me down:

    • Replies: @Josh
    @V Vega

    That was good.

    , @anon
    @V Vega

    Interesting.

    My guess is the kids whose (more K-type) parents wouldn't let them out the house after school learned to mix and rap as something to do.

  60. Lot says:
    @anonitron1
    Attributing black gun violence to early 90's "gangsta" rap is fundamentally wrongheaded, for a couple of reasons:

    1. "Gangsta" rap doesn't happen in a vaccuum. It's an aesthetic incarnation of a thing that's happening previous to its pop-cultural incarnation (i.e., Biggie isn't putting something in a song because it happened in another song he heard, it's par for the course in an already extant cultural environment).

    2. Black youth in 2016 ain't listening to '90's shit. Popular rap today is in a much different state than it was in the '90's and even the early 2000's (which is peak moron in the history of hip hop (though it produced some really enjoyable, although admittedly retarded, music)). There's a Chicago rap scene that's broadly representative of the violent environs of the city but popular rap (read: rap that young black people actually listen to) is more in line with Drake/Kanye abstraction than Wu-Tang or Geto Boys street violence.

    Replies: @V Vega, @Lot, @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever..., @Yak-15, @Forbes, @Bill Jones

    Lead in the water and air plus undermining the police plus crack all contributed to peak black violence. The media glorification including rap did make it worse however, gangsta rap was part of the permissive nihilist culture.

    Popular rap today is in a much different state than it was in the ’90′s … Drake/Kanye abstraction

    Seems like the same garbage “music” of black guys screaming about how they are so awesome violent and rich as 25 years ago.

    Here are the lyrics to the current #1 rap single:

    [Intro – Kyla & Wizkid:]
    Baby, I like your style

    [Verse 1 – Drake:]
    Grips on your waist
    Front way, back way
    You know that I don’t play
    Streets not safe
    But I never run away
    Even when I’m away
    Oti, oti, there’s never much love when we go, oti
    I pray to make it back in one piece
    I pray, I pray

    [Hook – Drake:]
    That’s why I need a one dance
    Got a Hennessy in my hand
    One more time ‘fore I go
    Higher powers taking a hold on me
    I need a one dance
    Got a Hennessy in my hand
    One more time ‘fore I go
    Higher powers taking a hold on me

    [Bridge – Kyla & Wizkid:]
    Baby, I like your style

    [Verse 2 – Drake:]
    Strength and guidance
    All that I’m wishing for my friends
    Nobody makes it from my ends
    I had to bust up the silence
    You know you gotta stick by me
    Soon as you see the text, reply me
    I don’t wanna spend time fighting
    We’ve got no time

    Here’s the immediately prior #1 rap song:

    Panda, Panda, Panda, Panda, Panda
    Panda, Panda…

    I got broads in Atlanta
    Twisting dope, lean, and the Fanta
    Credit cards and the scammers
    Hitting off licks in the bando
    Black X6, Phantom
    White X6 looks like a panda
    Going out like I’m Montana
    Hundred killers, hundred hammers
    Black X6, Phantom
    White X6, panda
    Pockets swole, Danny
    Selling bar, candy
    Man I’m the macho like Randy
    The choppa go Oscar for Grammy
    Bitch nigga pull up ya panty
    Hope you killas understand me

  61. @fnn
    @Arclight

    Yeah, young low IQ blacks seem to internalize the media messages that promote violence and promiscuity. For example:
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-22/rapper-threatens-kill-donald-trump-if-his-mommas-food-stamps-are-taken-away

    Meanwhile, South Korea is clearly not as safe for female tourists as Japan:
    http://diversityischaos.blogspot.com/2016/05/south-korea-country-where-rape-of.html

    Replies: @Lot, @Erik Sieven

    Meanwhile, South Korea is clearly not as safe for female tourists as Japan:

    An Australian woman is drugged and raped in South Korea. We learn at the very end of the article, after tut-tuts about Korean rape culture and indifference to sexual assault, that the rapist was Nigerian.

  62. @anon

    Outside a crowded bar in Decatur, Ill., a customer found an expensive watch.
     
    OT, but I'd just like to remind everyone that that is the hometown of Shitavius Cook.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Hippopotamusdrome

    Shitavius Cook

    Is that a clan of spicy Indian cuisine restaurant owners like the Patel/Hotel clan?

  63. @Captain Tau
    @Emblematic

    Somehow, Appalachian whites and Hispanics never factor into this "[black] poverty= [black] violence" thing...

    Replies: @Clyde

    Somehow, Appalachian whites and Hispanics never factor into this “[black] poverty= [black] violence” thing…

    Murder and gun violence is lower in Hispanic barrios. Not nearly as bad as in certain black areas across America. More Hispanic men are involved in their boy’s lives, teaching them to moderate their behavior. Plus the men are more industrious than the black men which provides better role models. They may be illegal aliens who are taking, or their family is taking-robbing from our social welfare systems, but the guys are out working at the same time. Out there plugging away at a lousy job instead of idling their lives away, and as the old saying goes, “Idle hands are the devil’s workshop”. Turns out it’s from the Bible- Proverbs 16:27

  64. One incident I recall from last summer was a retaliation-style mass shooting in Detroit in which a dozen people were shot, one fatally, at a park.

    Twelve people were shot, one fatally, during a block party on a basketball court on Dexter and Webb St. on Detroit’s west side. Over 400 people were estimated to be in attendance at the Saturday night block party including children. The victims ranged from 19 to 47 years old. Forty-seven shots were fired from at least three guns during what is being called a retaliation-style mass shooting,

    Police are looking for two suspects. One is described as a black male with light complexion in his twenties, and the other is described as a black male in his twenties with medium complexion…

    Police believe Jones, the deceased, might have been expecting a gun fight Saturday night. Why he would have placed himself at a party with hundreds of people, including children, in attendance was unclear, [black Detroit Police Chief James Craig] said…

    According to Craig, even those who were shot last night aren’t helping police track anyone down

    A woman claiming to be Jones’s sister stood across Dexter Avenue for most of Craig’s news conference. When a police officer crossed the street to speak with the woman, who had been talking to a reporter, the woman began yelling expletives and cursing the police.

    “(expletive) the police,” the woman screamed from across the street. She then began to walk quickly down the street, swearing and cursing the police the entire way.

    Police Chief on mass shooting in Detroit: ‘This must end’

    There is some disagreement in the black community about who should be held responsible:

    Detroit Police Chief James Craig agitated activists by calling those involved in shooting a dozen people Saturday, one who died, “urban terrorists.”

    “We want to make it very much known that the young people who are causing the violence in our community are not terrorists,” said the Rev. Charles Williams, president of the Detroit National Action Network, a civil rights group founded by the Rev. Al Sharpton. “They are not urban terrorists, they are the products of bad urban policy.

    “They are products of bad education policy, where our young people are used as products, versus being educated. They are products of the fact that you are dealing with a city with high poverty numbers, so to relate these young people as terrorists is wrong.”

    Detroit police chief criticized for calling culprits of mass shooting ‘urban terrorists ‘

  65. Yo Stevarino. I’m sure you are hard at work writing some important long form article about the Japanese and WW2 and the dropping of the atomic bombs. So let me give you some cool quotes by the Main Man LKY.

    Second paragraph is the key.

    /* */
    Those of my generation who saw the Japanese soldiers in the flesh cannot forget their almost inhuman attitude to death in battle. They were not afraid to die. They made fearsome enemies and needed so little to keep going – the tin containers
    on their belts carried only rice, some soya beans and salt fish. Throughout the occupation, a common sight was of Japanese soldiers at bayonet practice on open fields. Their war cries as they stabbed their gunny-sack dummies were loodcurdling.
    Had the British re-invaded and fought their way down Malaya into Singapore, there would have been immense devastation.

    After seeing them at close quarters, I was sure that for sheer fighting spirit, they were among the world’s finest. But they also showed a meanness and viciousness towards their enemies equal to the Huns’. Genghis Khan and his hordes could not have been more merciless. I have no doubts about whether the two atom bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were necessary. Without them, hundreds of thousands of civilians in Malaya and Singapore, and millions in Japan itself, would have perished.

    What made them such warriors? The Japanese call it bushido, the code of the samurai, or Nippon seishin, the spirit of Nippon. I believe it was systematic indoctrination in the cult of emperor worship, and in their racial superiority as a chosen people who could conquer all. They were convinced that to die in battle for the emperor meant they would ascend to heaven and become gods, while their ashes were preserved at the Yasukuni Shrine in the suburbs of Tokyo
    Kuan Yew Lee – The Singapore Story Memoirs of Lee Kuan Yew, Vol. 1-Times Editions (1998)
    /* */

    Off topic. Let me call Mr. Anon stupid on a regular basis. Please? I know you hate human doo doo heads as much as I do. And it is such fun to tease him and see if he lacks the self control to response. I’ll only keep my mocking to a few sentences. Pretty please? You know you want to.

    “I have no doubts about whether the two atom bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were necessary. Without them, hundreds of thousands of civilians in Malaya and Singapore, and millions in Japan itself, would have perished”.
    –The Main Man Lee Kuan Yew

    • Replies: @Thea
    @Sailer has an interesting life

    I've imagined, once or twice, that the destruction of west is a Japanese plot. They sit quietly working on their archipelago. Just waiting till we exhaust ourselves with this infighting.



    Well, it would certainly make for a good novel topic any way.

    Replies: @Sailer has an interesting life

    , @David In TN
    @Sailer has an interesting life

    Recently I found on the internet an interview of James Jones, author of From Here to Eternity and The Thin Red Line. Jones said something like "The Japanese peasant soldiers whom we fought were just out of the middle ages. They were very brutal men."

    Replies: @Jack D, @Sailer has an interesting life

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Sailer has an interesting life

    "Off topic. Let me call Mr. Anon stupid on a regular basis. Please? I know you hate human doo doo heads as much as I do. And it is such fun to tease him and see if he lacks the self control to response. I’ll only keep my mocking to a few sentences."

    Is it lack of self control to reply to insults? What am I supposed to do? Let your insults go unrebutted? You are a ridiculous little idiot who - as far as I can tell - has never had anything much of any value to add to the discussion at this website.

    Replies: @Sailer has an interesting life

  66. Newspaper articles used to cover violence among blacks with a certain sardonic amusement.

    I always say, if you’re interested in an era of history, try to find first person accounts of people who were there. Often they will provide insight that won’t be supplied by historians, particularly if some of the events differ from commonly accepted precepts. Better than news articles are personal diaries, and the like.

    In any case, there’s a wealth of first-person slave narratives available at the library of congress website. I spent a few hours perusing them, and it wasn’t what I had expected. I assumed it would be a lot of horror stories about black slave life, and while there were some, there were many stories of Blacks who were fairly content with the lifestyle. It seemed the culture from one plantation to the next could vary wildly. Some were shitholes to be sure, some were got great, but not bad, and some were run like a commune, with slaves voting for whatever issues were important to them, and basically running the show as far as their work days were concerned, and how day-to-day problems were solved, with the plantation owner very light-handed, when he was around at all. The slaves who had it going well were particularly upset when they were freed. They knew even if they ran their own farms, life was going to be a lot harder.

    I had the same surprise regarding lynchings. I didn’t come close to reading all the narratives, but many that I did read, the lynchings were done after some major hell had broken loose, rather than a black guy whistling at a white girl. From what I could tell, you had to work hard to qualify for a lynching. You had to pull some major crazy, and get caught in the act, or have a ton of circumstantial evidence working against you.

    One story I recall was a few years after the civil war. One segregated community seemed to be doing all right. Blacks and whites got along well, cooperated with one another. No major problems. One night, a house caught on fire, killing a woman and her two children. It was determined that the woman’s husband, who wanted a divorce because he’d found a new girl, became livid when his wife wouldn’t grant him one, so set his house on fire at 1 AM, and ran off, killing his entire family. Since the house was on fire, and he was gone, as well as the other circumstances that were known, it was determined the husband was the culprit. This enraged the white folks, as well as the black folks. The white folks organized a search party, and they caught the black guy hiding in some nearby woods, who readily admitted that he’d set the fire. He was strung up that night, by white folks, with blacks looking on, to the applause of whites and blacks alike. Everyone agreed justice was served.

    I thought to myself, “now that’s a story we’re not going to see in a Quentin Tarantino move.”

    Anyway, I urge anyone who wants to know just what black people who don’t know much about their own history are complaining about, to check out the slave narratives at the library of congress website. I think you might come up with different conclusions than what historians would have you believe.

    That is, our american history is not all “black and white.”

    Sure a lot of it was shitty, but unless you were rich, most of american life back then was a slow-motion crash for everyone, regardless of race. There weren’t a lot of happy endings. I wouldn’t have wanted to live in that era. When you delve in to people’s diaries who lived in that era, it reads like Gothic Noir. Humorless, passionate, dark, and crazy. Not many clear heads anywhere.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @V Vega

    How f*cking dare you to bring even a shadow of nuance, empathy, and objectivity to the subject of race in America!!

    "We will turn your body into gas and pour you into the stratosphere. We will remove your name from every register and every living memory. You will cease to exist. You will never have existed. You will become an unperson."

    , @res
    @V Vega

    Very interesting. Thanks for posting. Is this the site you meant? https://memory.loc.gov/ammem/snhtml/snhome.html
    I was intrigued that this was done by the WPA.

    Any chance of posting some more detailed references to the stories you outlined?

    Replies: @V Vega

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @V Vega

    Keller, A good read on this subject is "Bullwhip Days", stories by former slaves , an oral history edited by James Mellon. Hard to put down.

    Replies: @V Vega, @res

  67. @anonitron1
    Attributing black gun violence to early 90's "gangsta" rap is fundamentally wrongheaded, for a couple of reasons:

    1. "Gangsta" rap doesn't happen in a vaccuum. It's an aesthetic incarnation of a thing that's happening previous to its pop-cultural incarnation (i.e., Biggie isn't putting something in a song because it happened in another song he heard, it's par for the course in an already extant cultural environment).

    2. Black youth in 2016 ain't listening to '90's shit. Popular rap today is in a much different state than it was in the '90's and even the early 2000's (which is peak moron in the history of hip hop (though it produced some really enjoyable, although admittedly retarded, music)). There's a Chicago rap scene that's broadly representative of the violent environs of the city but popular rap (read: rap that young black people actually listen to) is more in line with Drake/Kanye abstraction than Wu-Tang or Geto Boys street violence.

    Replies: @V Vega, @Lot, @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever..., @Yak-15, @Forbes, @Bill Jones

    “Attributing black gun violence to early 90′s “gangsta” rap is fundamentally wrongheaded, for a couple of reasons:”
    You knowing about this stuff makes me sad.

    • Agree: Nico
    • Replies: @Anonitron2
    @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...

    Criticisms of rap floated by people with no interest in the genre are mostly specious and always uninteresting - doubly so here, on this website, given a substantial segment of the commentariat assumes that because this is an HBD blog OF COURSE everyone reading it disdains all the products of black culture. That's incorrect, obviously, and even if you have a visceral hatred of rap music I hope you agree it's better to articulate that hatred from a position of greater knowledge, not lesser.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  68. @Jefferson
    @SPMoore8

    " It’s hard to make any progress when someone like Genius T Coates insists that any discussion of HBD is racist, and that there’s nothing wrong with northern urban black culture."

    Ta-Nehisi Coates said Black crime is a myth. If that is the case, he should purchase a home in the same zip code as the South Bronx or the Brownsville housing projects, since he resides in New York City. None of that lily White Tribeca shit

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Olorin

    IIRC, he lived in Harlem for years.

    • Replies: @Evocatus
    @Dave Pinsen

    Harlem has become both increasingly gentrified and increasingly Hispanic, due to the Dominicans moving in from Washington Heights.

    Replies: @Jefferson

  69. @Salger
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Have a link to Paul Kersey's blog then?

    Replies: @DaJuice

  70. @Arclight
    Normally I tend to blow off suggestions that mass media (music, movies,video games) amplifies violence but I have a hard time doing that now, particularly with rap music. Despite the left's attempts to portray most of this genre as subtle and brilliant art, a huge percentage of it revolves around crude boasts about money, drugs/drinking, promiscuity, and violence.

    It appears to me that lots of young black men and boys essentially model their behavior after the archetypical character in a rap song. In fact, it's common too see some young black guy with headphones on walking down the street or standing at the bus stop rapping along with his favorite song complete with the gestures and expressions of the rapper in the music video, as if he's trying to be that character. I don't see white hipsters doing that while listening to the latest Wilco or even high schoolers play-acting to the soundtrack of teen pop music.

    Obviously, the way people dress or act can be a reflection of their cultural influences of the moment, and I just as often silently laugh at the white kids who spend hours cultivating a look that is supposed to look careless, but guys with greasy hair, beards, and retro clothing or messenger bags style aren't going to get wound up about some perceived slight and start shooting at a party or bar. In contrast, those that consciously mimic rap culture very well might.

    Replies: @Josh, @fnn, @Dave Pinsen, @E. Rekshun, @LKM

    I wonder if any brave psychologist (Lee Jussim?) has studied this, but it seems clear that elements of popular culture have different effects on different groups. Plenty of suburban white kids have listened to rap, for example, without shooting people.

    I also wonder what role hyper-realistic, first person shooter video games play in all this.

    • Replies: @Rifleman
    @Dave Pinsen


    I also wonder what role hyper-realistic, first person shooter video games play in all this.
     
    Lot's of unmentioned racial/HBD aspects to this review:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9nMteV8flk

    CRAIG’S REVIEWS: CALL OF DUTY
    , @Arclight
    @Dave Pinsen

    It's also partly a function of whose esteem you are seeking and the expectations they place on you - for suburban white kids, no matter how much fun it is to listen to rap and play-act with friends, at the end of the day they aren't going to live out the fantasy because it's not considered an acceptable way of life by friends and family and the girls they are chasing will tire of the act pretty quickly, and that probably matters as much as anything to a late-teens to 20-something male.

    In contrast, a black kid who acts "real" is respected/feared and gets the attention of young black women. They are rewarded by the objects of their desire and their peers for thuggish behavior, so that's what society gets.

    While this seems to be a pretty common circumstance for American born blacks, in my observation real Africans who live in America are revolted by the behavior of African-Americans. I used to live in an area with a lot of Ethiopians and their comments about American blacks and what they thought of them were tougher and more blunt than anything I have heard out of a stereotypical white redneck.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun

    , @Jack D
    @Dave Pinsen


    I also wonder what role hyper-realistic, first person shooter video games play in all this.
     
    Almost none. As you note, plenty of people play these games without ever shooting anyone. Perhaps a handful of disturbed individuals cannot distinguish between fantasy violence and reality, but almost all normal people can. "Realism" is in the mind of the beholder. In their day, books, movies and TV shows were also accused of triggering violence thru hyper-realism.

    Replies: @dc.sunsets

    , @TWS
    @Dave Pinsen

    None.

    , @Salger
    @Dave Pinsen

    You're talking like a SJW.

  71. And these party fireworks will soon be the norm in all European cities as African men in the trigger-happy age bracket continue to seek “refuge” in the continent of the civilised cavemen.

  72. At the predominantly black high school in my hometown in the ’80s, fights were common over perceived slights, but serious injuries were pretty rare, as were weapons. They were more ritualistic displays of dominance: trash talk at close quarters, followed by a shove, followed by an exchange of blows. If one guy went down and the other one stomped on him, that was considered a decisive humiliation.

    Cops were called to the school often, but there were no cops stationed at the school, and no metal detectors.

    I don’t know how representative that was of African American communities in general then. Maybe the crack epidemic of the early ’90s amped up the violence levels.

  73. “NYT: Blacks Shooting Blacks in Large Numbers”

    Exactly black lives don’t matter to blacks.

  74. • Replies: @Desiderius
    @SFG

    Remarkably mendacious.

    , @Arclight
    @SFG

    This is the typical "heads I win, tails you lose" view of the SJWs that see racism everywhere. The fact that large numbers of Group A have observed the behavior Group B and regardless of intelligence level don't really want to live next to them or have their kids forced to go to school with them says more about how unappetizing the culture of Group B is than Group A. But we can't talk about that.

    Also worth mentioning the the reference to military boot camp - sort of ignores the fact that part of the reason blacks and whites get along fairly well is that they have been pre-screened for a minimum level of intelligence so many of the enlisted are intellectual peers and figure that out quickly and enables a level of trust. In the real world, even white liberals understand at some subconscious level putting little Timothy in a classroom with little T'quavious is not going to enhance the educational outcomes of either kid.

    As for the assertion that people just need to interact with each other more to break down barriers, apparently the author has never heard the phrase "familiarity breeds contempt."

  75. @fnn
    @Arclight

    Yeah, young low IQ blacks seem to internalize the media messages that promote violence and promiscuity. For example:
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-22/rapper-threatens-kill-donald-trump-if-his-mommas-food-stamps-are-taken-away

    Meanwhile, South Korea is clearly not as safe for female tourists as Japan:
    http://diversityischaos.blogspot.com/2016/05/south-korea-country-where-rape-of.html

    Replies: @Lot, @Erik Sieven

    taking into account the recent Okinawa case I wonder which percentage of yearly rapes in South Korea and Japan combined is committed by black men. Also I wonder whether in the last 5000 years there has be been one single case of an east asian man sexual assaulting a woman in subsaharan Africa. Also it would be interesting whether in the last decades (after WW II) one single western women has been sexually assaulted in Korea, Japan or China.

    • Replies: @Whoever
    @Erik Sieven


    Also it would be interesting whether in the last decades (after WW II) one single western women has been sexually assaulted in Korea, Japan or China.
     
    There has been at least one. Read People Who Eat Darkness by Richard Lloyd Parry. It's the story of "Lucie Blackman—tall, blond, twenty-one years old—[who] stepped out into the vastness of Tokyo in the summer of 2000, and disappeared forever. The following winter, her dismembered remains were found buried in a seaside cave."

    Replies: @Twinkie

  76. @V Vega

    Newspaper articles used to cover violence among blacks with a certain sardonic amusement.
     
    I always say, if you're interested in an era of history, try to find first person accounts of people who were there. Often they will provide insight that won't be supplied by historians, particularly if some of the events differ from commonly accepted precepts. Better than news articles are personal diaries, and the like.

    In any case, there's a wealth of first-person slave narratives available at the library of congress website. I spent a few hours perusing them, and it wasn't what I had expected. I assumed it would be a lot of horror stories about black slave life, and while there were some, there were many stories of Blacks who were fairly content with the lifestyle. It seemed the culture from one plantation to the next could vary wildly. Some were shitholes to be sure, some were got great, but not bad, and some were run like a commune, with slaves voting for whatever issues were important to them, and basically running the show as far as their work days were concerned, and how day-to-day problems were solved, with the plantation owner very light-handed, when he was around at all. The slaves who had it going well were particularly upset when they were freed. They knew even if they ran their own farms, life was going to be a lot harder.

    I had the same surprise regarding lynchings. I didn't come close to reading all the narratives, but many that I did read, the lynchings were done after some major hell had broken loose, rather than a black guy whistling at a white girl. From what I could tell, you had to work hard to qualify for a lynching. You had to pull some major crazy, and get caught in the act, or have a ton of circumstantial evidence working against you.

    One story I recall was a few years after the civil war. One segregated community seemed to be doing all right. Blacks and whites got along well, cooperated with one another. No major problems. One night, a house caught on fire, killing a woman and her two children. It was determined that the woman's husband, who wanted a divorce because he'd found a new girl, became livid when his wife wouldn't grant him one, so set his house on fire at 1 AM, and ran off, killing his entire family. Since the house was on fire, and he was gone, as well as the other circumstances that were known, it was determined the husband was the culprit. This enraged the white folks, as well as the black folks. The white folks organized a search party, and they caught the black guy hiding in some nearby woods, who readily admitted that he'd set the fire. He was strung up that night, by white folks, with blacks looking on, to the applause of whites and blacks alike. Everyone agreed justice was served.

    I thought to myself, "now that's a story we're not going to see in a Quentin Tarantino move."

    Anyway, I urge anyone who wants to know just what black people who don't know much about their own history are complaining about, to check out the slave narratives at the library of congress website. I think you might come up with different conclusions than what historians would have you believe.

    That is, our american history is not all "black and white."

    Sure a lot of it was shitty, but unless you were rich, most of american life back then was a slow-motion crash for everyone, regardless of race. There weren't a lot of happy endings. I wouldn't have wanted to live in that era. When you delve in to people's diaries who lived in that era, it reads like Gothic Noir. Humorless, passionate, dark, and crazy. Not many clear heads anywhere.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @res, @Buffalo Joe

    How f*cking dare you to bring even a shadow of nuance, empathy, and objectivity to the subject of race in America!!

    “We will turn your body into gas and pour you into the stratosphere. We will remove your name from every register and every living memory. You will cease to exist. You will never have existed. You will become an unperson.”

  77. @V Vega
    @anonitron1


    2. Black youth in 2016 ain’t listening to ’90′s shit. Popular rap today is in a much different state than it was in the ’90′s and even the early 2000′s (which is peak moron in the history of hip hop (though it produced some really enjoyable,
     
    Looks like the rapper Hopsin is getting some great hit action on YouTube. In this rap, he starts smart by going after white people first, presumably to shield himself from the "uncle tom" moniker, but he DOES read the laundry list of black men later, and... I gotta say he did it well.

    I like this Hopsin fellow. He's a bright and talented chap. Hope he doesn't let me down:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRVOOwFNp5U

    Replies: @Josh, @anon

    That was good.

  78. @Arclight
    Normally I tend to blow off suggestions that mass media (music, movies,video games) amplifies violence but I have a hard time doing that now, particularly with rap music. Despite the left's attempts to portray most of this genre as subtle and brilliant art, a huge percentage of it revolves around crude boasts about money, drugs/drinking, promiscuity, and violence.

    It appears to me that lots of young black men and boys essentially model their behavior after the archetypical character in a rap song. In fact, it's common too see some young black guy with headphones on walking down the street or standing at the bus stop rapping along with his favorite song complete with the gestures and expressions of the rapper in the music video, as if he's trying to be that character. I don't see white hipsters doing that while listening to the latest Wilco or even high schoolers play-acting to the soundtrack of teen pop music.

    Obviously, the way people dress or act can be a reflection of their cultural influences of the moment, and I just as often silently laugh at the white kids who spend hours cultivating a look that is supposed to look careless, but guys with greasy hair, beards, and retro clothing or messenger bags style aren't going to get wound up about some perceived slight and start shooting at a party or bar. In contrast, those that consciously mimic rap culture very well might.

    Replies: @Josh, @fnn, @Dave Pinsen, @E. Rekshun, @LKM

    I don’t see white hipsters doing that while listening to the latest Wilco or even high schoolers play-acting to the soundtrack of teen pop music.

    I played a mean air guitar mimicking Pete Townsend and The Who!

  79. Much of what is written about American blacks is just an arse-about-face way of drawing attention to the fact that they don’t pull their weight in American society. Here’s one way in which they more than pull their weight, and it doesn’t get much coverage. Life can be so unfair.

  80. @Otto the P
    Black people don't kill black people because of racism, poverty, economic inequality, lack of opportunity. Rather those things are symptoms, not causes; they occur for the SAME REASON as black violence: low IQ, low impulse control, low concept of future, low grasp of cause and effect, low investment in family and society, low character and, oh yes, low IQ. To make it worse, they've been told by liberal fools and scoundrels for two generations that nothing is their fault, it's all The System. Did I mention low IQ?

    Replies: @Ed, @Anonym, @Corvinus, @Mack Bolan

    I think it is more than simply low IQ though low IQ is definitely a part of it. Aggression matters. You see a level of aggression in black people that is generally greater than white people. Like this BLM guy:

    Or look at Trayvon. Even the 12yo pic has a surliness to him you don’t see in many white kids, let alone in his gangbanger posing.

  81. @Dr. X
    I have been involved in competitive shooting for 20 years, and shot in national events for the last twelve. Among the thousands and thousands of shooters I have encountered over that period of time, I can literally count the number of blacks on one hand.

    Competitive shooting is, above all else, a game of extreme, Zen-like mental focus. It requires a significant attention to detail in terms of equipment and environmental conditions. I would liken the attitude of the competitive shooter to that of a professional pilot -- all business, which includes a positively anal emphasis on safety.

    Blacks do not generally possess these traits. Consequently, the competitive shooting community is 99.9+ percent white. I believe that blacks are genetically hard-wired to have less impulse control than whites, and that this attribute explains black success in pursuits that require spontaneous behavior, like basketball and bebop jazz, but it also explains a LOT of senseless black criminality and the ease with which blacks routinely just grab a gun and shoot wildly after the slightest provocation.

    Competitive shooters, many of whom have fired hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammunition, would never do anything like that.

    The problem with impulsive black shootings is that they are being used politically to justify infringements on the freedoms of millions of sober, responsible, self-sufficient whites. Perhaps the Founders were right -- all of them believed that blacks were incapable of functioning in a free society, and that blacks would be better off if they were emancipated and then repatriated to Africa.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Rifleman, @dr kill, @Twinkie

    Competitive shooting is, above all else, a game of extreme, Zen-like mental focus. It requires a significant attention to detail in terms of equipment and environmental conditions. I would liken the attitude of the competitive shooter to that of a professional pilot…

    Which leads to the question of rates of OCD and autism among blacks.

    Maybe the lower rates of nerdiness, OCD and autism among blacks is a reason for their general lack of interest in an activity such as competitive shooting.

    Guys standing around shooting precisely at stationary targets with no outcome other than comparing relative precision with other dudes is never going to motivate black or sub saharan males.

    It’s a wonder the activity isn’t more Asian.

    • Replies: @E. Rekshun
    @Rifleman

    Maybe the lower rates of nerdiness, OCD and autism among blacks is a reason for their general lack of interest in an activity such as competitive shooting.

    Or general lack of interest in computer programming or actuarial science.

    , @Twinkie
    @Rifleman


    Guys standing around shooting precisely at stationary targets with no outcome other than comparing relative precision with other dudes is never going to motivate black or sub saharan males.

    It’s a wonder the activity isn’t more Asian.
     

    Er, Asians ARE heavily represented in the shooting sports. Please see my response to "Dr. X" above. South Koreans dominate Olympic pistol shooting, for example.

    As you can see with this old footage of their police shooting training, they are into precision: https://youtu.be/ucBURfCXx9s

  82. @Dave Pinsen
    @Arclight

    I wonder if any brave psychologist (Lee Jussim?) has studied this, but it seems clear that elements of popular culture have different effects on different groups. Plenty of suburban white kids have listened to rap, for example, without shooting people.

    I also wonder what role hyper-realistic, first person shooter video games play in all this.

    Replies: @Rifleman, @Arclight, @Jack D, @TWS, @Salger

    I also wonder what role hyper-realistic, first person shooter video games play in all this.

    Lot’s of unmentioned racial/HBD aspects to this review:

    CRAIG’S REVIEWS: CALL OF DUTY

  83. “Some researchers say the single strongest predictor of gun homicide rates is the proportion of an area’s population that is black. But race, they say, is merely a proxy for poverty, joblessness and other socio-economic disadvantages that help breed violence.”

    Looking at R squared values, its actually the opposite. Poverty, joblessness, credit etc are all decent indicators of blackness.

  84. @SFG
    OT, but Steve may find this comment-worthy:

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2016/0127/The-surprising-relationship-between-intelligence-and-racism

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Arclight

    Remarkably mendacious.

  85. “Some researchers say the single strongest predictor of gun homicide rates is the proportion of an area’s population that is black. But race, they say, is merely a proxy for poverty, joblessness and other socio-economic disadvantages that help breed violence.”

    Black-on-Black violence and drug addiction are not new. Years ago my wife picked up a few worn volumes from a library “giveaway” cart. They were a partial set of a Princeton “History of the United States” written in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. One volume written in the 1890s caught my attention. It described wide-spread Black-on-Black violence and cocaine use in the Black communities in the South.

    In the late 1990s, I had to commute past a Black public housing project on the way to work. It was not unusual to see Black males in fist fights. One day I saw a Black male pounding on another Black male with a 2×4.

    At what point is it reasonable to conclude that violence is a persistent characteristic of Black culture rather than a “proxy for poverty ….”?

  86. Cryptogenic [AKA "Gentile Ben"] says:

    This article vindicates John Derbyshire’s “The Talk: Non-Black Version” which suggested avoiding outdoor gatherings of black people. Maybe the “neighborhood barbecues, family reunions, music festivals, basketball tournaments, movie theaters, housing project courtyards, Sweet 16 parties, [and] public parks” are all located on tragic dirt.

  87. @Sailer has an interesting life
    Yo Stevarino. I'm sure you are hard at work writing some important long form article about the Japanese and WW2 and the dropping of the atomic bombs. So let me give you some cool quotes by the Main Man LKY.

    Second paragraph is the key.

    /* */
    Those of my generation who saw the Japanese soldiers in the flesh cannot forget their almost inhuman attitude to death in battle. They were not afraid to die. They made fearsome enemies and needed so little to keep going – the tin containers
    on their belts carried only rice, some soya beans and salt fish. Throughout the occupation, a common sight was of Japanese soldiers at bayonet practice on open fields. Their war cries as they stabbed their gunny-sack dummies were loodcurdling.
    Had the British re-invaded and fought their way down Malaya into Singapore, there would have been immense devastation.

    After seeing them at close quarters, I was sure that for sheer fighting spirit, they were among the world’s finest. But they also showed a meanness and viciousness towards their enemies equal to the Huns’. Genghis Khan and his hordes could not have been more merciless. I have no doubts about whether the two atom bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were necessary. Without them, hundreds of thousands of civilians in Malaya and Singapore, and millions in Japan itself, would have perished.

    What made them such warriors? The Japanese call it bushido, the code of the samurai, or Nippon seishin, the spirit of Nippon. I believe it was systematic indoctrination in the cult of emperor worship, and in their racial superiority as a chosen people who could conquer all. They were convinced that to die in battle for the emperor meant they would ascend to heaven and become gods, while their ashes were preserved at the Yasukuni Shrine in the suburbs of Tokyo
    Kuan Yew Lee - The Singapore Story Memoirs of Lee Kuan Yew, Vol. 1-Times Editions (1998)
    /* */

    Off topic. Let me call Mr. Anon stupid on a regular basis. Please? I know you hate human doo doo heads as much as I do. And it is such fun to tease him and see if he lacks the self control to response. I'll only keep my mocking to a few sentences. Pretty please? You know you want to.

    "I have no doubts about whether the two atom bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were necessary. Without them, hundreds of thousands of civilians in Malaya and Singapore, and millions in Japan itself, would have perished".
    --The Main Man Lee Kuan Yew

    Replies: @Thea, @David In TN, @Mr. Anon

    I’ve imagined, once or twice, that the destruction of west is a Japanese plot. They sit quietly working on their archipelago. Just waiting till we exhaust ourselves with this infighting.

    Well, it would certainly make for a good novel topic any way.

    • Replies: @Sailer has an interesting life
    @Thea

    I take your point, but due to extreme Japanese 'inversion' we aren't seeing that *they* had to deal with after the loss of WW2. They seem to have lost a lot of their masculinity after the war. People who study Japan as a serious topic (ie not those who love GLORIOUS NIPPON and anime) believe that this masculinity lies underneath the surface, ready to arise when their country is threatened. Look for a rise in nationalism when China starts sabre-rattling to cover their floundering economy.

    As you said, a good topic for a novel. :-)

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  88. @Ed
    @Otto the P

    The article even points to it. This isn't about drugs or gangs but the inability of blacks to control themselves. Here's an example I experience last night.

    My gf & I went to Target last night. Only two registers were open and there was about ten people waiting in a single line. Thus in the very from register no one was directly waiting. This young black girl with her daughter walks up feigns like she is asking if the register is available. As she is doing this another cashier opens up their register & she pounces. Seeing this I called her out. She calls me a "fag**t" & that she'll meet me outside. I respond that's how you talk in front of your daughter?

    They have little couth, civility or self-control and when they're in the ghetto incidents like these happen routinely & end in violence. The underclass blacks really do need a firm hand guiding their every move. They aren't fit for modern society.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @gh, @Corvinus

    thats why we had apartheid in south africa

  89. @Hosswire
    Blacks are killing blacks. Other blacks are then not talking to the cops, so the shooters walk.

    Quick, white people. Do something!

    Replies: @rod1963, @RonaldB

    Haha.

    Here is windbag O’Reilly’s proof that the black shootings in Chicago prove white racism.
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/4893031064001/bloody-chicago-and-racism-on-display/?#sp=show-clips

    • Replies: @bomag
    @RonaldB

    Bleh. "Racism" seems to be the only vocabulary word O'Reilly has to discuss this issue.

  90. Doesn’t all of this fall under the category of “This is why we have separate countries.”

    I mean, everyone (including many here) keep wringing their hands about how blacks aren’t acting like whites. Maybe, just maybe, it’s because they aren’t white. As Steve has noted many times, blacks like being black. While repugnant to whites, the violence in black neighborhoods seems to be something that blacks accept, even embrace to an extent.

    Fine. Let them create a culture and society that works for them. We’ll have our culture and society someplace else.

    The hubris of whites (certainly liberal whites) always amazes me. We think that we’re the pinnacle of human evolution, that any variance from our norms and behaviors is wrong. Even when other groups outperform us in something that we care about, we feel that its wrong. (NE Asians study too much.) To whites (again, especially, liberal whites), diversity just means people with different skin color acting just like liberal whites.

    As far I as can tell, whites views on the world are similar to this George Carlin clip.

  91. @Dave Pinsen
    @Arclight

    I wonder if any brave psychologist (Lee Jussim?) has studied this, but it seems clear that elements of popular culture have different effects on different groups. Plenty of suburban white kids have listened to rap, for example, without shooting people.

    I also wonder what role hyper-realistic, first person shooter video games play in all this.

    Replies: @Rifleman, @Arclight, @Jack D, @TWS, @Salger

    It’s also partly a function of whose esteem you are seeking and the expectations they place on you – for suburban white kids, no matter how much fun it is to listen to rap and play-act with friends, at the end of the day they aren’t going to live out the fantasy because it’s not considered an acceptable way of life by friends and family and the girls they are chasing will tire of the act pretty quickly, and that probably matters as much as anything to a late-teens to 20-something male.

    In contrast, a black kid who acts “real” is respected/feared and gets the attention of young black women. They are rewarded by the objects of their desire and their peers for thuggish behavior, so that’s what society gets.

    While this seems to be a pretty common circumstance for American born blacks, in my observation real Africans who live in America are revolted by the behavior of African-Americans. I used to live in an area with a lot of Ethiopians and their comments about American blacks and what they thought of them were tougher and more blunt than anything I have heard out of a stereotypical white redneck.

    • Replies: @E. Rekshun
    @Arclight

    real Africans who live in America are revolted by the behavior of African-Americans.

    Same thing w/ first generation Caribbean blacks.

  92. @SFG
    OT, but Steve may find this comment-worthy:

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2016/0127/The-surprising-relationship-between-intelligence-and-racism

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Arclight

    This is the typical “heads I win, tails you lose” view of the SJWs that see racism everywhere. The fact that large numbers of Group A have observed the behavior Group B and regardless of intelligence level don’t really want to live next to them or have their kids forced to go to school with them says more about how unappetizing the culture of Group B is than Group A. But we can’t talk about that.

    Also worth mentioning the the reference to military boot camp – sort of ignores the fact that part of the reason blacks and whites get along fairly well is that they have been pre-screened for a minimum level of intelligence so many of the enlisted are intellectual peers and figure that out quickly and enables a level of trust. In the real world, even white liberals understand at some subconscious level putting little Timothy in a classroom with little T’quavious is not going to enhance the educational outcomes of either kid.

    As for the assertion that people just need to interact with each other more to break down barriers, apparently the author has never heard the phrase “familiarity breeds contempt.”

    • Agree: PV van der Byl
  93. “……. before the violence spilled out onto the street. There, another Wallace relative, also armed with a handgun, fired back at him.”

    The violence just spilled out into the street. Violence is a fluid medium that permeates all things. It’s like the aether, or phlogiston.

    These hand-wringing discussions of “the violence” affecting blacks always amount to: “I have a problem. What are you going to do about it.”

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Mr. Anon

    In Leovy's book Ghettocide, the detectives refer to the constant violence between blacks as "the Monster." Clever detectives! They know that to attach any moral opprobrium to the perpetrators in front of a reporter would end their careers.

  94. There are black Elks?

  95. @anonitron1
    Attributing black gun violence to early 90's "gangsta" rap is fundamentally wrongheaded, for a couple of reasons:

    1. "Gangsta" rap doesn't happen in a vaccuum. It's an aesthetic incarnation of a thing that's happening previous to its pop-cultural incarnation (i.e., Biggie isn't putting something in a song because it happened in another song he heard, it's par for the course in an already extant cultural environment).

    2. Black youth in 2016 ain't listening to '90's shit. Popular rap today is in a much different state than it was in the '90's and even the early 2000's (which is peak moron in the history of hip hop (though it produced some really enjoyable, although admittedly retarded, music)). There's a Chicago rap scene that's broadly representative of the violent environs of the city but popular rap (read: rap that young black people actually listen to) is more in line with Drake/Kanye abstraction than Wu-Tang or Geto Boys street violence.

    Replies: @V Vega, @Lot, @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever..., @Yak-15, @Forbes, @Bill Jones

    I cannot seem to find a reliable table of data regarding the number of shootings in each year nationally or at the municipal level. However, I can see that the murder rate peaked for most places in the 70s and gun violence is a likely proxy for murder rate. By that account, the amount of gun violence decreased in the 90s in most major cities. Perhaps this is due to medical technology or less stabbings.

    Can someone reconcile if there have been less shootings or more since the peak of black urban crime in the 70s?

  96. @The most deplorable one
    I have a suggestion for how to deal with Africa's population explosion.

    Let's send lots of guns to Africa.

    Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur, @Mr. Anon

    “I have a suggestion for how to deal with Africa’s population explosion.

    Let’s send lots of guns to Africa.”

    I think the Soviet Union and Cuba already did.

    Perhaps Sean Connery should be put on the job:

    Zardoz

  97. @artichoke
    The Constitution and the 2nd Amendment was written for white people. A different sort of government may work better for black people. But I don't want to change the Constitution to make it more suitable for black people (generally speaking) but less suitable for white people (again generally speaking).

    Replies: @another fred

    “We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion…Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
    – John Adams .

    As Derb so often reminds us, demography is destiny.

  98. This article reinforces the view offered by L.A. Times homicide reporter Jill Leovy in her 2015 book “Ghettoside” that legalizing drugs wouldn’t do much to reduce the large numbers of blacks shooting blacks.

    The majority of black on black shootings have nothing to do with drug sales. People will get into a fight over a parking space or over a disrespectful remark or because they bumped into someone in a crowded bar and then the shooting begins. As Steve said, these are the same type of disputes that might result in a fistfight in a working class white community, but in the black community they result in shootings instead. Which shows that it would be nice to remove all the handguns from ghetto black communities so they could go back to cutting each other with razors instead (this was the traditional ghetto weapon back in the day), but since most of these guns are illegal already (in big cities like Philadelphia you need a carry permit which is rarely issued) changing the law would do nothing to actually reduce the # of guns.

    But race, they say, is merely a proxy for poverty, joblessness and other socio-economic disadvantages that help breed violence.

    This is totally disingenuous and false. Even if you adjust for those factors, blacks offend at a much higher rate.

  99. Meanwhile back in Cincinnati relatives of black man shot by University of Cincinnati police officer squabble over how to divide up “Ghetto Lottery” winnings.

    The University of Cincinnati hustled to pay a huge settlement long before the officer even has had a hearing or trial as to whether he was guilty to avoid BLM mischief.

    Family of Sam DuBose heads back to court over settlement distribution
    Judge to decide how to divide multimillion-dollar settlemen

    CINCINNATI —The family of a man shot to death by a former University of Cincinnati officer is headed back to court Monday so a judge can decide how to divide up settlement money.

    The shooting that resulted in the death of Samuel DuBose produced a $4.8 million settlement for his family.

    Initially, the attorney for the estate recommended 90 percent of the money go to 12 of the DuBose children, 5 percent to the mother, 1 percent to the father, Samuel Johnson, and 1 percent each to the four maternal siblings.

    No money was recommended for the paternal siblings. That irked some family members.
    Samuel DuBose’s mother, Audrey, later modified her request from 10 to 7 percent. The attorney for DuBose’s father suggested everybody get the same thing.

    In April, Judge Ralph Winkler promised to do the best he can and cautioned there would be some tweaks.

    Winkler said he’ll make sure Samuel DuBose’s children get most of the money.

    A decision is expected at Monday’s hearing.

    Dubois apparently had 12-13 children. The articles does not say how many baby momas.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @anonymous-antimarxist

    The Ghetto 401(k) Plan.

    , @Ed
    @anonymous-antimarxist

    Don't intestate laws determine who the estate's beneficiaries are supposed to be. Why is the judge "tweaking" anything?

    4.8*.67/12 is about $270k for each child if they were to split the entire thing. That money is already spent.

    , @anonymous-antimarxist
    @anonymous-antimarxist

    More details that the Cultural Marxist Media hides about Cincinnati Ghetto Lottery winner Sam Dubose.


    Shameful family fight over settlement in death of Sam DuBose

    http://rollingout.com/2016/04/14/shameful-family-fight-settlement-death-sam-dubose/


    DuBose had 13 children by 11 different mothers, seven of his children are adults and Ohio law dictates that the estate should be split among his surviving children. But in a heated court hearing, which the lawyers called unsavory, even DuBose’s siblings are trying to lay claim to the money from his death. DuBose’s biological father, Sam Johnson, never married his mother and spent five years in prison when his son was an infant. Despite this, he claims that he was still a frequent part of his son’s life and his grief is just as great as DuBose’s mother. For her part, Audrey DuBose stated that she felt that Johnson was absent from her son’s life and in effect was “trying to rob us of the right to administer his estate.”
     
  100. @Dave Pinsen
    @Arclight

    I wonder if any brave psychologist (Lee Jussim?) has studied this, but it seems clear that elements of popular culture have different effects on different groups. Plenty of suburban white kids have listened to rap, for example, without shooting people.

    I also wonder what role hyper-realistic, first person shooter video games play in all this.

    Replies: @Rifleman, @Arclight, @Jack D, @TWS, @Salger

    I also wonder what role hyper-realistic, first person shooter video games play in all this.

    Almost none. As you note, plenty of people play these games without ever shooting anyone. Perhaps a handful of disturbed individuals cannot distinguish between fantasy violence and reality, but almost all normal people can. “Realism” is in the mind of the beholder. In their day, books, movies and TV shows were also accused of triggering violence thru hyper-realism.

    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
    @Jack D

    People can become addicted to lots of modern vices, and the internet is a source for several (gaming, porn, prostitution and gambling.)

    The real question is to what degree anyone who is harmed by such participation was predisposed to it in the first place.

  101. @Dave Pinsen
    @Arclight

    I wonder if any brave psychologist (Lee Jussim?) has studied this, but it seems clear that elements of popular culture have different effects on different groups. Plenty of suburban white kids have listened to rap, for example, without shooting people.

    I also wonder what role hyper-realistic, first person shooter video games play in all this.

    Replies: @Rifleman, @Arclight, @Jack D, @TWS, @Salger

    None.

  102. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Well-meaning whites concerned about the black homicide rate show an unconscious condescension in their approach to it. All schemes to rectify this is to attempt to turn blacks into second carbon copies of whites. Blacks are the subject to be worked upon and molded to their liking. Can’t happen, zebras can’t be transformed into horses. If blacks themselves were unhappy with what’s been taking place they’d have changed themselves. The real job is how to seal it off from the rest of society and not let it bleed out onto everybody else. How to build an invisible wall internally, that’s the question.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @anonymous

    Can’t happen, zebras can’t be transformed into horses.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbNV-WAWcAA-BpL.jpg

    Anyway, if you look at black Africa, the murder rate in say Ghana is much lower than it is in Nigeria so apparently change is possible.

  103. @Sailer has an interesting life
    Yo Stevarino. I'm sure you are hard at work writing some important long form article about the Japanese and WW2 and the dropping of the atomic bombs. So let me give you some cool quotes by the Main Man LKY.

    Second paragraph is the key.

    /* */
    Those of my generation who saw the Japanese soldiers in the flesh cannot forget their almost inhuman attitude to death in battle. They were not afraid to die. They made fearsome enemies and needed so little to keep going – the tin containers
    on their belts carried only rice, some soya beans and salt fish. Throughout the occupation, a common sight was of Japanese soldiers at bayonet practice on open fields. Their war cries as they stabbed their gunny-sack dummies were loodcurdling.
    Had the British re-invaded and fought their way down Malaya into Singapore, there would have been immense devastation.

    After seeing them at close quarters, I was sure that for sheer fighting spirit, they were among the world’s finest. But they also showed a meanness and viciousness towards their enemies equal to the Huns’. Genghis Khan and his hordes could not have been more merciless. I have no doubts about whether the two atom bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were necessary. Without them, hundreds of thousands of civilians in Malaya and Singapore, and millions in Japan itself, would have perished.

    What made them such warriors? The Japanese call it bushido, the code of the samurai, or Nippon seishin, the spirit of Nippon. I believe it was systematic indoctrination in the cult of emperor worship, and in their racial superiority as a chosen people who could conquer all. They were convinced that to die in battle for the emperor meant they would ascend to heaven and become gods, while their ashes were preserved at the Yasukuni Shrine in the suburbs of Tokyo
    Kuan Yew Lee - The Singapore Story Memoirs of Lee Kuan Yew, Vol. 1-Times Editions (1998)
    /* */

    Off topic. Let me call Mr. Anon stupid on a regular basis. Please? I know you hate human doo doo heads as much as I do. And it is such fun to tease him and see if he lacks the self control to response. I'll only keep my mocking to a few sentences. Pretty please? You know you want to.

    "I have no doubts about whether the two atom bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were necessary. Without them, hundreds of thousands of civilians in Malaya and Singapore, and millions in Japan itself, would have perished".
    --The Main Man Lee Kuan Yew

    Replies: @Thea, @David In TN, @Mr. Anon

    Recently I found on the internet an interview of James Jones, author of From Here to Eternity and The Thin Red Line. Jones said something like “The Japanese peasant soldiers whom we fought were just out of the middle ages. They were very brutal men.”

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @David In TN

    It's always necessary to demonize your enemies on the battlefield and the Japanese did some very cruel things. Not to mention suicide attacks and other crazy stuff. However, once the war was over, they were able to turn on a dime from being fanatical fighters to peaceful makers of low cost, high quality electronics and automobiles. I don't get the feeling that the same will be true of the Islamic State. So the Japanese must have been more than just fanatical emperor-worshipers or somehow different than the equally brutal Islamic fighters today.

    Replies: @Forbes

    , @Sailer has an interesting life
    @David In TN

    There was a blog by someone who reads iSteve regularly, (http://assistantvillageidiot.blogspot.com/) that had the title as follows"30 Years On, I think that “Postliberal” sums it up best".

    This is pretty much my point of view at this time. It's really quite depressing how what was considered 'historically accurate' in the past, holds true in the present.

    "Those crazy Japanese like to put severed heads on top of poles".

    There is no way that could be true. It must be like those games of telephone where the details get lost in passing.

    "Out of habit, most people remained law-abiding. But with the bosses gone, the bolder ones seized the opportunity to loot godowns, department stores and shops belonging to British companies for what they saw as legitimate booty. This lasted for several days before the Japanese restored order; they put the fear of God into people by shooting or beheading a few looters at random and exhibiting their heads on key bridges and at main road junctions."

    ...Nevermind.

    It's also terrifying that was considered common knowledge of 'racial traits' turned out to be true. Large error bars. But true none the less.

  104. anon • Disclaimer says:

    The media is effectively the nervous system of the body politic so if the media won’t tell the truth about a problem then it can’t be fixed and the media won’t tell the truth about this because it messes up their anti-white narrative.

    However this article is less dishonest than most though so credit for that – Trump effect? If he calls them out they’ll lose a lot of trust and trust is where their power comes from.

    #

    Jill Leovy’s 2015 book Ghettoside mentions “unwanted party guests” as a common cause of murder.

    Fists flew. Mr. Murphy ducked out the door, burst back in with a handgun, and opened fire.

    This is actually a thing. The guy doing it stashes weapons outside, goes in and picks a fight and then goes out to retrieve the weapon(s). When it’s a white bar/party etc the media blame it on racism but it’s a particular weird behavior – like they’re not 100% killers but want to kill someone and need a quasi-moral excuse.

  105. @27 year old
    Seems like there is a huge potential competitive advantage for a gang that invests even a tiny amount of time and money in teaching its shooters how to shoot. Not sure whether it's a good or bad thing that none of them have figured this out.

    Replies: @psmith

    Police officials say they suspect that as many as half of the 24 victims were not the intended targets; community workers blame self-taught gunmen who are often high on drugs or were drunk. “They are not marksmen,” said Aaron Pullins, an anti-violence worker. “They don’t know how to hold the gun. They just shoot.”

    End the carnage! Teach marksmanship!

    (but I think Dr. X is on to something too.).

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @psmith

    They clearly need to join the NRA and educate themselves.

  106. Off-topic, but this new NBER paper may interest Steve and his readers:

    7. Cross-Generational Differences in Educational Outcomes in the
    Second Great Wave of Immigration
    by Umut Ozek, David N. Figlio – #22262 (CH ED LS)

    Abstract:

    We make use of a new data source – matched birth records and
    longitudinal student records in Florida – to study the degree to
    which student outcomes differ across successive immigrant
    generations. Specifically, we investigate whether first, second, and
    third generation Asian and Hispanic immigrants in Florida perform
    differently on reading and mathematics tests, and whether they are
    differentially likely to get into serious trouble in school, to be
    truant from school, to graduate from high school, or to be ready for
    college upon high school graduation. We find evidence suggesting
    that early-arriving first generation immigrants perform better than
    do second generation immigrants, and second generation immigrants
    perform better than third generation immigrants. Among first
    generation immigrants, the earlier the arrival, the better the
    students tend to perform. These patterns of findings hold for both
    Asian and Hispanic students, and suggest a general pattern of
    successively reduced achievement – beyond a transitional period for
    recent immigrants – in the generations following the generation that
    immigrated to the United States.

    http://papers.nber.org/papers/W22262?utm_campaign=ntw&utm_medium=email&utm_source=ntw

  107. @Anonymous
    OT:

    Susan Rice: Too Many Whites On National Security Team Putting America At Risk

    http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/05/22/susan-rice-too-many-whites-national-security-team-putting-america-risk

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Anonymous, @Dirk Dagger

    OT-Reply: South African-born woman dies climbing Mount Everest

    Maria (Marisa) Strydom, a South African-born woman lecturing in Australia, died climbing Mount Everest on Saturday.

    The 34-year-old lecturer at Monash University was extremely close to the mountain’s summit when she was overcome with altitude sickness. She died trying to descend to safety.

    Her husband, veterinarian Rob Gropel, was with her on the trek and also suffered high altitude sickness.

    Strydom and Gropel, both from Melbourne, aimed to be the first vegans to reach the summit of Everest.

    Strydom had previously climbed Denali in Alaska, Aconcagua in Argentina, and Kilimanjaro in Africa.

    Operational manager Furtengi Sherpa told the Herald Sun Strydom had suffered from a “lack of energy and weakness” and had to turn around while the rest of the party reached the top.

    Strydom and her personal sherpa got down to Camp 4 that same night and started to head back down the mountain on Saturday.

    However, her tiredness and lack of energy persisted, and at an altitude of 7,800 metres she could not go on.

    “She could not resist anymore. She stopped breathing right there,” said Furtengi Sherpa.

    http://www.thesouthafrican.com/south-african-born-woman-dies-climbing-mount-everest/

  108. @David In TN
    @Sailer has an interesting life

    Recently I found on the internet an interview of James Jones, author of From Here to Eternity and The Thin Red Line. Jones said something like "The Japanese peasant soldiers whom we fought were just out of the middle ages. They were very brutal men."

    Replies: @Jack D, @Sailer has an interesting life

    It’s always necessary to demonize your enemies on the battlefield and the Japanese did some very cruel things. Not to mention suicide attacks and other crazy stuff. However, once the war was over, they were able to turn on a dime from being fanatical fighters to peaceful makers of low cost, high quality electronics and automobiles. I don’t get the feeling that the same will be true of the Islamic State. So the Japanese must have been more than just fanatical emperor-worshipers or somehow different than the equally brutal Islamic fighters today.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Jack D

    It might be reasonable to note that Japan was defeated in WWII, forced into an unconditional surrender, with occupation by the victors, while a number of the tenets of their civilization, culture, and institutions changed to mitigate a repeat. The unlikelihood of a similar defeat, and outside imposition of changed conditions on Islamic culture implies there will be no turning on a dime.

    Replies: @Winthorp

  109. @anonitron1
    Attributing black gun violence to early 90's "gangsta" rap is fundamentally wrongheaded, for a couple of reasons:

    1. "Gangsta" rap doesn't happen in a vaccuum. It's an aesthetic incarnation of a thing that's happening previous to its pop-cultural incarnation (i.e., Biggie isn't putting something in a song because it happened in another song he heard, it's par for the course in an already extant cultural environment).

    2. Black youth in 2016 ain't listening to '90's shit. Popular rap today is in a much different state than it was in the '90's and even the early 2000's (which is peak moron in the history of hip hop (though it produced some really enjoyable, although admittedly retarded, music)). There's a Chicago rap scene that's broadly representative of the violent environs of the city but popular rap (read: rap that young black people actually listen to) is more in line with Drake/Kanye abstraction than Wu-Tang or Geto Boys street violence.

    Replies: @V Vega, @Lot, @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever..., @Yak-15, @Forbes, @Bill Jones

    Stay with me here… Following Sunday’s Yankees-Athletics game, the YES network runs a new edition of the Joe Girardi Show. They run a taped segment featuring reliever Andrew Miller, who had his birthday during the week. In it, they ask him a series of questions, e.g. favorite TV show, and some sports related questions. They follow the segment by asking Joe Girardi the very same questions.

    Included in the questions was the choosing of a favorite as between Drake and Kanye. Both took a pass as essentially unfamiliar with either, e.g. not my kind of music. Girardi (age 51) said The Rolling Stones were more to his liking. That the producers thought either of these white bread baseball players, products of middle America, would have any interest in this genre is astounding, but not surprising.

  110. “Cloaking the issue, he said, only makes it easier for the country to tune out what amounts to “mass murder occurring in slow motion every day.” Both he and Mr. Abdullah say they wish some of the outrage over police killings of unarmed African-Americans would spill over to victims who die in anonymity in routine gun violence.”

    Then again as Steve writes, this would be bad for The Narrative.

  111. Relating to media cognitive dissonance, yesterday The Atlantic ran an essay “Will women ever be safe online?” Along with one advocating women in combat. Which begs the question “will women ever be safe on the front lines?”.

    What will happen if enemy troops are within earshot and catcall our female combat soldiers? Maybe the gals will report them to Battalion HR, or even lay “the silent treatment” on the oafish perps.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  112. @Otto the P
    Black people don't kill black people because of racism, poverty, economic inequality, lack of opportunity. Rather those things are symptoms, not causes; they occur for the SAME REASON as black violence: low IQ, low impulse control, low concept of future, low grasp of cause and effect, low investment in family and society, low character and, oh yes, low IQ. To make it worse, they've been told by liberal fools and scoundrels for two generations that nothing is their fault, it's all The System. Did I mention low IQ?

    Replies: @Ed, @Anonym, @Corvinus, @Mack Bolan

    “Black people don’t kill black people because of racism, poverty, economic inequality, lack of opportunity. Rather those things are symptoms, not causes; they occur for the SAME REASON as black violence: low IQ, low impulse control, low concept of future, low grasp of cause and effect, low investment in family and society, low character and, oh yes, low IQ. To make it worse, they’ve been told by liberal fools and scoundrels for two generations that nothing is their fault, it’s all The System. Did I mention low IQ?”

    Yes, yes, yes, we are all fully aware of the standard human biodiversity arguments.

    Now, how many black males commit felonies each year? Be mindful to separate first-time** from repeat offenders. Then, take that number**, and calculate a percentage of the total number of Americans today. What do you get?

    I know, I know, math is hard. But humor us…

    • Replies: @Boomstick
    @Corvinus

    "One in every three black males born today can expect to go to prison at some point in their life, compared with one in every six Latino males, and one in every 17 white males, if current incarceration trends continue."

    Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur, @anon

  113. @Whiskey
    There is literally nothing to be done about Black on Black murders. Nothing. They have always been appallingly high as even WEB Dubois noted in his "The Philadelphia Negro" which covered Black criminal behavior in Philly from 1800-1898. Written as a response to George Washington Carver, Dubois argues that Black people were innately more criminal even than the most deprived and criminal White immigrants in the same city and thus unable to win political power and equal rights under Segregation through economic advancement as Carver favored. Thus the Talented Tenth would agitate for White concessions and of course, pocket the majority of the goodies.

    Still the data in Dubois book is compelling. Leovy in her book conveniently overlooks the historical record in places like Philly, and the underlying dynamic which is sexual reproduction. Simply put Black women demand even greater A hole levels in their men, killers best of all. Every ghetto shooting of a baby, grandma, or other innocent gets the shooter laid that night. And thereafter.

    Fundamentally Black people don't WANT the violence to be greatly reduced -- it would greatly reduce their fertility.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @anon, @Boomstick

    “Written as a response to George Washington Carver, Dubois argues that Black people were innately more criminal even than the most deprived and criminal White immigrants in the same city…”

    Do you have specific citations?

    • Replies: @res
    @Corvinus

    If you'd like to check for yourself the 500+ page book is available on Project Gutenberg:
    https://archive.org/details/philadelphianegr001901mbp
    The epub supports text search (with some spotty OCR), but the PDF is more nicely formatted (no OCR).

    Some samples:


    The Negro, however, has two especial difficulties : his training as a slave and freedman has not been such as make the average of the race as efficient and reliable workmen as the average native Amer ican or as many foreign immigrants. The Negro is, as a rule, willing, honest and good-natured ; but he is also, as a rule, careless, unreliable and unsteady. This is without doubt to be expected in a people who for generations have been trained to shirk work
     

    Little special mention of Negro crime is again met with until the freedmen under the act of 1780 began to congre gate in the city and other free immigrants joined them. In 1809 the leading colored churches united in a society to suppress crime and were cordially endorsed by the public for this action. After the war immigration to the city increased and the stress of hard times bore heavily on the lower classes. Complaints of petty thefts and murderous assaults on peaceable citizens now began to increase, and in numbers of cases they were traced to Negroes. The better class of colored citizens felt the accusation and held a meeting to denounce crime and take a firm stand against their own criminal class. A little later the Negro riots commenced, and they received their chief moral support from the increasing crime of Negroes
     
    Dubois discusses differences between different groups of Negroes (e.g. immigration time/source) a fair bit.

    I did not see an explicit statement comparing black to white immigrant criminality as in the original comment, but it seems in line with the portion of the 500+ page book I checked (except for the use of the word innate, see quote following). There is statistical information included, but it's not really legible in the epub. Perhaps you could take a look, Corvinus, and see what you find.

    It's worth noting that the 1967 introduction states:

    The hereditarian or racial as against the environmental or cultural approaches to .the causes of the differences between Negroes and whites, both in America and in other parts of the world, divide men to this day. Perhaps the ultimate truth lies in a "both/and" rather than an "either/or" approach. Nevertheless— and especially in an age such as our own which tends to assume, often dogmatically, the greater importance of environment and culture—one must look back on The Philadelphia Negro as a pioneering attempt to objectively advance this modern approach in an era when most men deeply and sincerely felt that fixed hereditary aptitudes differentiated the races of men and con sequently precluded any possibility of eventual integration on a plane of social, cultural, and political equality, Thus, in answer to his hereditarian opponents such as the reviewer in the American Historical Review, DuBois fell back on his own broad historical perspective by reminding his readers in the closing pages how many once-held hereditarian dogmas had already been eroded by the passage of time and the changing social situation:

    We rather hasten to forget that once the courtiers of English kings looked upon the ancestors of most Americans with far greater contempt than these Americans look upon Negroes— and perhaps, indeed, had more cause. We forget that once French peasants were the "Niggers" of France, and that German princelings once discussed with doubt the brains and humanity of the bauer (p. 386).
     
    Seems to me that would be crimethink today in even admitting heredity might matter.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  114. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @RamonaQ
    It's risky, but I think Trump would profit from making rising crime rates a focus of his campaign.

    People forget that more blacks than whites supported Clinton's crime bill. Given that crime rates are rising so precipitously for the last 2 years, Trump should just go ahead and highlight how the Democrats are so politically vested in identity politics that they literally cannot even discuss this.

    When he brought up Oakland and Ferguson, there was the predictable reaction of what a racist buffoon he is, but it was a good opportunity to talk about this stuff. I also really liked that he brought it up. It gelled well with his America First philosophy.

    Replies: @anon

    It’s risky, but I think Trump would profit from making rising crime rates a focus of his campaign.

    Yes, not sure on the timing but at some point – maybe tie it into some very simple hbd related reality e.g. most violent crime is committed by men in a certain age bracket and most illegals are men in that age bracket so… obvious end result is obvious.

  115. @Ed
    @Otto the P

    The article even points to it. This isn't about drugs or gangs but the inability of blacks to control themselves. Here's an example I experience last night.

    My gf & I went to Target last night. Only two registers were open and there was about ten people waiting in a single line. Thus in the very from register no one was directly waiting. This young black girl with her daughter walks up feigns like she is asking if the register is available. As she is doing this another cashier opens up their register & she pounces. Seeing this I called her out. She calls me a "fag**t" & that she'll meet me outside. I respond that's how you talk in front of your daughter?

    They have little couth, civility or self-control and when they're in the ghetto incidents like these happen routinely & end in violence. The underclass blacks really do need a firm hand guiding their every move. They aren't fit for modern society.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @gh, @Corvinus

    “This isn’t about drugs or gangs but the inability of blacks to control themselves. Here’s an example I experience last night.”

    Exactly! Every single, or at least most every, black person in the United States acts this way. I mean, few if any act in any civilized fashion. They are all big, nasty, and mean.

    “The underclass blacks really do need a firm hand guiding their every move. They aren’t fit for modern society.”

    Definitely! They need someone like yourself under their wing. After all, you were able to teach a thing or two about Western Civilization for those underclass whites and Hispanics, right? You are just the jabroni, I mean man, for the job.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Corvinus

    Corvinus, You wait, lurking, looking for the comment that makes you pounce. So, think on this, black children go to bed hungry because their parents don't feed them, not because my grandchildren have food. They are in many cases poorly dressed and dirty, not because my children hoard food for their kids, but because their parents don't care. They do poorly in school, not because my children read and study with my grandchildren, but because their parents don't. They do need guidance, and it shows. Maybe you're the jabroni to do it....and I have no idea what jabroni means. Have a nice day anyways.

    , @Anonymous
    @Corvinus

    Not every black, but enough,which is what matters.

    It's the percentages that are the issue.

    Or is probability a white thing?

  116. >>>>Yet many in the neighborhood where they grew up, she said, responded with a shrug

    Uh, this is the key problem. If *they* do not care, why should I care (assuming bullets stay in their neighborhoods).

    The problem is always “the content of one’s character”, not the color of one’s skin.

    • Replies: @anon
    @LiveFreeOrDie


    why should I care (assuming bullets stay in their neighborhoods).
     
    HUD and section 8 is why
  117. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    Can whites and Asians please start having a lot more babies? Black fertility is still way higher, especially when you factor in paternity. Most of the stats only look at maternity, but for blacks this misses a great deal of children since perhaps as many as 1/4 of black men father children with non-blacks.

    Replies: @dcite

    Where are your statistics for that?

    • Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur
    @dcite

    I don't actually know if there are any reliable statistics, but Pew has this one that is suggestive:

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/06/12/interracial-marriage-who-is-marrying-out/ft_15-06-12-intermarriage-newlyweds/

    The problem is that fertility rates are always reported by maternity, which is fine if everything averages out, but it doesn't.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    , @Triumph104
    @dcite

    Fertility rate or average number of children per woman: white 1.8, black 2.1, Hispanic 2.4. LINK.

    When you hear a stat that 70 percent of black children are born out of wedlock, it actually means that 70 percent of black women have children out of wedlock. The CDC looks at the mother's race not the child's nor the father's. LINK.

    Studies on interracial births are simply ignored. I didn't know about this 2015 study until I decided to respond to your post. “92% of biracial children with African American fathers are born out of wedlock and 82% end up on government assistance.”

    Be sure to save the study immediately or view privately with your ip address hidden otherwise you may get blocked from viewing a second or third time due to ''overuse'': LINK. Short article on the study: LINK.

    Slightly related, for decades the percentage of children in foster care who were black hovered around 40 percent. By 2014, the black percentage dropped to 24 percent. This is due mostly to the new biracial category in which 10 percent of children fall. Three percent of children are classified as unknown. LINK.

  118. The Left’s one indisputable talent is for projection. They are now, have long been, and will continue to be the chief proponents of violence and bigotry.

  119. @Jefferson
    @Lot

    "It is the other way around.

    It is much safer to live around poor whites than middle and upper class blacks."

    The majority of the Black middle class in PG County have government jobs and a Black person does not have to be part of The Black Talented Tenth like Thomas Sowell and Neil deGrasse Tyson, to get a well paying government job.

    Replies: @dc.sunsets

    Untalented people surrounded by talented (or even average) people undoubtedly seethe with resentment.

    Affirmative Action in jobs is like Mainstreaming “special ed” kids in a normal classroom. The obvious is no less obvious just because it’s policy.

    Mixing peoples harboring significant differences in population means increases knowledge….but not the way leftist ideologues intend.

  120. @Jack D
    @Dave Pinsen


    I also wonder what role hyper-realistic, first person shooter video games play in all this.
     
    Almost none. As you note, plenty of people play these games without ever shooting anyone. Perhaps a handful of disturbed individuals cannot distinguish between fantasy violence and reality, but almost all normal people can. "Realism" is in the mind of the beholder. In their day, books, movies and TV shows were also accused of triggering violence thru hyper-realism.

    Replies: @dc.sunsets

    People can become addicted to lots of modern vices, and the internet is a source for several (gaming, porn, prostitution and gambling.)

    The real question is to what degree anyone who is harmed by such participation was predisposed to it in the first place.

  121. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Whiskey
    There is literally nothing to be done about Black on Black murders. Nothing. They have always been appallingly high as even WEB Dubois noted in his "The Philadelphia Negro" which covered Black criminal behavior in Philly from 1800-1898. Written as a response to George Washington Carver, Dubois argues that Black people were innately more criminal even than the most deprived and criminal White immigrants in the same city and thus unable to win political power and equal rights under Segregation through economic advancement as Carver favored. Thus the Talented Tenth would agitate for White concessions and of course, pocket the majority of the goodies.

    Still the data in Dubois book is compelling. Leovy in her book conveniently overlooks the historical record in places like Philly, and the underlying dynamic which is sexual reproduction. Simply put Black women demand even greater A hole levels in their men, killers best of all. Every ghetto shooting of a baby, grandma, or other innocent gets the shooter laid that night. And thereafter.

    Fundamentally Black people don't WANT the violence to be greatly reduced -- it would greatly reduce their fertility.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @anon, @Boomstick

    There is literally nothing to be done about Black on Black murders. Nothing.

    Sure there is.

    There’s a “killer” type, almost certainly largely genetic, and they’re maybe 1-2% among white people and something like 4-8% among black people.

    (I’d also guess the white percentage is more often packaged with extreme self control as that’s how those men’s ancestors avoided getting hanged in the past.)

    Reduce that percentage down to 1-2% and the black homicide rate would be a lot lower.

    (It wouldn’t necessarily fix any IQ, time preference, impulsiveness etc elements but it would get it down closer to the white left-side average.)

    • Replies: @anon
    @anon

    "reduce that percentage.."

    OKAY. HOW????

    Replies: @anon

  122. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @SnakeEyes
    This article describes every single episode of The First 48.

    Replies: @anon, @anon

    Yes, great show – it shows exactly what Tom Wolfe called the “pos” cases in Bonfire of the Vanities: adult sized toddlers having temper tantrums.

    (Also shows there are a lot of regular people living in the middle of the crazy – the people i think Trump will get if he plays it right.)

  123. @V Vega

    Newspaper articles used to cover violence among blacks with a certain sardonic amusement.
     
    I always say, if you're interested in an era of history, try to find first person accounts of people who were there. Often they will provide insight that won't be supplied by historians, particularly if some of the events differ from commonly accepted precepts. Better than news articles are personal diaries, and the like.

    In any case, there's a wealth of first-person slave narratives available at the library of congress website. I spent a few hours perusing them, and it wasn't what I had expected. I assumed it would be a lot of horror stories about black slave life, and while there were some, there were many stories of Blacks who were fairly content with the lifestyle. It seemed the culture from one plantation to the next could vary wildly. Some were shitholes to be sure, some were got great, but not bad, and some were run like a commune, with slaves voting for whatever issues were important to them, and basically running the show as far as their work days were concerned, and how day-to-day problems were solved, with the plantation owner very light-handed, when he was around at all. The slaves who had it going well were particularly upset when they were freed. They knew even if they ran their own farms, life was going to be a lot harder.

    I had the same surprise regarding lynchings. I didn't come close to reading all the narratives, but many that I did read, the lynchings were done after some major hell had broken loose, rather than a black guy whistling at a white girl. From what I could tell, you had to work hard to qualify for a lynching. You had to pull some major crazy, and get caught in the act, or have a ton of circumstantial evidence working against you.

    One story I recall was a few years after the civil war. One segregated community seemed to be doing all right. Blacks and whites got along well, cooperated with one another. No major problems. One night, a house caught on fire, killing a woman and her two children. It was determined that the woman's husband, who wanted a divorce because he'd found a new girl, became livid when his wife wouldn't grant him one, so set his house on fire at 1 AM, and ran off, killing his entire family. Since the house was on fire, and he was gone, as well as the other circumstances that were known, it was determined the husband was the culprit. This enraged the white folks, as well as the black folks. The white folks organized a search party, and they caught the black guy hiding in some nearby woods, who readily admitted that he'd set the fire. He was strung up that night, by white folks, with blacks looking on, to the applause of whites and blacks alike. Everyone agreed justice was served.

    I thought to myself, "now that's a story we're not going to see in a Quentin Tarantino move."

    Anyway, I urge anyone who wants to know just what black people who don't know much about their own history are complaining about, to check out the slave narratives at the library of congress website. I think you might come up with different conclusions than what historians would have you believe.

    That is, our american history is not all "black and white."

    Sure a lot of it was shitty, but unless you were rich, most of american life back then was a slow-motion crash for everyone, regardless of race. There weren't a lot of happy endings. I wouldn't have wanted to live in that era. When you delve in to people's diaries who lived in that era, it reads like Gothic Noir. Humorless, passionate, dark, and crazy. Not many clear heads anywhere.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @res, @Buffalo Joe

    Very interesting. Thanks for posting. Is this the site you meant? https://memory.loc.gov/ammem/snhtml/snhome.html
    I was intrigued that this was done by the WPA.

    Any chance of posting some more detailed references to the stories you outlined?

    • Replies: @V Vega
    @res


    Very interesting. Thanks for posting. Is this the site you meant? https://memory.loc.gov/ammem/snhtml/snhome.html
    I was intrigued that this was done by the WPA.

    Any chance of posting some more detailed references to the stories you outlined?
     
    Res, I plowed through about 500 of them at a sitting quite a while back, and their database doesn't facilitate searches to easily find the narrative I shared. I'm not a student of american slavery, I was just curious, so I didn't keep notes. Also, it seems as if they might have changed the way it's organized, and it doesn't seem to be an improvement. However, you can certainly dig through them, as they're organized, yourself. This looks like a good place to start. You'll find all kinds of adventures, some to be expected, and some will surprise you:

    https://memory.loc.gov/ammem/snhtml/snintro18.html

    Replies: @res

  124. @V Vega
    @anonitron1


    2. Black youth in 2016 ain’t listening to ’90′s shit. Popular rap today is in a much different state than it was in the ’90′s and even the early 2000′s (which is peak moron in the history of hip hop (though it produced some really enjoyable,
     
    Looks like the rapper Hopsin is getting some great hit action on YouTube. In this rap, he starts smart by going after white people first, presumably to shield himself from the "uncle tom" moniker, but he DOES read the laundry list of black men later, and... I gotta say he did it well.

    I like this Hopsin fellow. He's a bright and talented chap. Hope he doesn't let me down:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRVOOwFNp5U

    Replies: @Josh, @anon

    Interesting.

    My guess is the kids whose (more K-type) parents wouldn’t let them out the house after school learned to mix and rap as something to do.

  125. @LiveFreeOrDie
    >>>>Yet many in the neighborhood where they grew up, she said, responded with a shrug

    Uh, this is the key problem. If *they* do not care, why should I care (assuming bullets stay in their neighborhoods).

    The problem is always "the content of one's character", not the color of one's skin.

    Replies: @anon

    why should I care (assuming bullets stay in their neighborhoods).

    HUD and section 8 is why

  126. res says:
    @Corvinus
    @Whiskey

    "Written as a response to George Washington Carver, Dubois argues that Black people were innately more criminal even than the most deprived and criminal White immigrants in the same city..."

    Do you have specific citations?

    Replies: @res

    If you’d like to check for yourself the 500+ page book is available on Project Gutenberg:
    https://archive.org/details/philadelphianegr001901mbp
    The epub supports text search (with some spotty OCR), but the PDF is more nicely formatted (no OCR).

    Some samples:

    The Negro, however, has two especial difficulties : his training as a slave and freedman has not been such as make the average of the race as efficient and reliable workmen as the average native Amer ican or as many foreign immigrants. The Negro is, as a rule, willing, honest and good-natured ; but he is also, as a rule, careless, unreliable and unsteady. This is without doubt to be expected in a people who for generations have been trained to shirk work

    Little special mention of Negro crime is again met with until the freedmen under the act of 1780 began to congre gate in the city and other free immigrants joined them. In 1809 the leading colored churches united in a society to suppress crime and were cordially endorsed by the public for this action. After the war immigration to the city increased and the stress of hard times bore heavily on the lower classes. Complaints of petty thefts and murderous assaults on peaceable citizens now began to increase, and in numbers of cases they were traced to Negroes. The better class of colored citizens felt the accusation and held a meeting to denounce crime and take a firm stand against their own criminal class. A little later the Negro riots commenced, and they received their chief moral support from the increasing crime of Negroes

    Dubois discusses differences between different groups of Negroes (e.g. immigration time/source) a fair bit.

    I did not see an explicit statement comparing black to white immigrant criminality as in the original comment, but it seems in line with the portion of the 500+ page book I checked (except for the use of the word innate, see quote following). There is statistical information included, but it’s not really legible in the epub. Perhaps you could take a look, Corvinus, and see what you find.

    It’s worth noting that the 1967 introduction states:

    The hereditarian or racial as against the environmental or cultural approaches to .the causes of the differences between Negroes and whites, both in America and in other parts of the world, divide men to this day. Perhaps the ultimate truth lies in a “both/and” rather than an “either/or” approach. Nevertheless— and especially in an age such as our own which tends to assume, often dogmatically, the greater importance of environment and culture—one must look back on The Philadelphia Negro as a pioneering attempt to objectively advance this modern approach in an era when most men deeply and sincerely felt that fixed hereditary aptitudes differentiated the races of men and con sequently precluded any possibility of eventual integration on a plane of social, cultural, and political equality, Thus, in answer to his hereditarian opponents such as the reviewer in the American Historical Review, DuBois fell back on his own broad historical perspective by reminding his readers in the closing pages how many once-held hereditarian dogmas had already been eroded by the passage of time and the changing social situation:

    We rather hasten to forget that once the courtiers of English kings looked upon the ancestors of most Americans with far greater contempt than these Americans look upon Negroes— and perhaps, indeed, had more cause. We forget that once French peasants were the “Niggers” of France, and that German princelings once discussed with doubt the brains and humanity of the bauer (p. 386).

    Seems to me that would be crimethink today in even admitting heredity might matter.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @res

    “The Negro, however, has two especial difficulties : his training as a slave and freedman has not been such as make the average of the race as efficient and reliable workmen as the average native American or as many foreign immigrants. The Negro is, as a rule, willing, honest and good-natured ; but he is also, as a rule, careless, unreliable and unsteady. This is without doubt to be expected in a people who for generations have been trained to shirk work.”

    Note that Du Bois specified how and why Negroes lacked, in essence, personal ambition—they were trained by whites NOT to work and think for themselves. They were a product of their environment, one that Du Bois believed required a “talented tenth” to properly “train” his brethren.

    “Complaints of petty thefts and murderous assaults on peaceable citizens now began to increase, and in numbers of cases they were traced to Negroes.”

    Which is NOT surprising given their condition—free Negroes in the North were generally to be seen and not heard, and SOME turned to a life of crime due to a lack of employment and educational opportunities afforded by the white community.

    “one must look back on The Philadelphia Negro as a pioneering attempt to objectively advance this modern approach in an era when most men deeply and sincerely felt that fixed hereditary aptitudes differentiated the races of men and con sequently precluded any possibility of eventual integration on a plane of social, cultural, and political equality”

    This statement is in reference to the free Negroes who constructed churches and formed societies to improve their lot in life in an effort to prove to whites that they also had the intelligence and work ethic to be self-sufficient. That, despite white insistence at that time that Negroes were inherently barbaric and uncivilized, free Negroes could respond to this accusation and offer evidence to the contrary.

  127. @Dave Pinsen
    @Arclight

    I wonder if any brave psychologist (Lee Jussim?) has studied this, but it seems clear that elements of popular culture have different effects on different groups. Plenty of suburban white kids have listened to rap, for example, without shooting people.

    I also wonder what role hyper-realistic, first person shooter video games play in all this.

    Replies: @Rifleman, @Arclight, @Jack D, @TWS, @Salger

    You’re talking like a SJW.

  128. @Whiskey
    There is literally nothing to be done about Black on Black murders. Nothing. They have always been appallingly high as even WEB Dubois noted in his "The Philadelphia Negro" which covered Black criminal behavior in Philly from 1800-1898. Written as a response to George Washington Carver, Dubois argues that Black people were innately more criminal even than the most deprived and criminal White immigrants in the same city and thus unable to win political power and equal rights under Segregation through economic advancement as Carver favored. Thus the Talented Tenth would agitate for White concessions and of course, pocket the majority of the goodies.

    Still the data in Dubois book is compelling. Leovy in her book conveniently overlooks the historical record in places like Philly, and the underlying dynamic which is sexual reproduction. Simply put Black women demand even greater A hole levels in their men, killers best of all. Every ghetto shooting of a baby, grandma, or other innocent gets the shooter laid that night. And thereafter.

    Fundamentally Black people don't WANT the violence to be greatly reduced -- it would greatly reduce their fertility.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @anon, @Boomstick

    While Black crime will almost certainly be higher than that of the general population, the Black murder rate has moved up and down by substantial amounts over the last 50 years or so. That shows environment, culture, and policing matter a lot.

    • Agree: Triumph104
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Boomstick

    Black murder rates also vary considerably by country, even between mostly/all black countries in Africa and the Caribbean.

    PS, does anyone have any theories on why the murder rate in the US Virgin Islands is so extraordinarily high? It is at close to Venezuelan levels, i.e. crazy high. It is comparable to the murder rate in largely black US cities (e.g. Detroit) but still very high for an entire group of islands that are not urban ghettos.

    Replies: @anon, @Thea

  129. Unwanted Party Guest would be an awesome troll handle though, even better than Duke Pornstar.

  130. @Corvinus
    @Otto the P

    "Black people don’t kill black people because of racism, poverty, economic inequality, lack of opportunity. Rather those things are symptoms, not causes; they occur for the SAME REASON as black violence: low IQ, low impulse control, low concept of future, low grasp of cause and effect, low investment in family and society, low character and, oh yes, low IQ. To make it worse, they’ve been told by liberal fools and scoundrels for two generations that nothing is their fault, it’s all The System. Did I mention low IQ?"

    Yes, yes, yes, we are all fully aware of the standard human biodiversity arguments.

    Now, how many black males commit felonies each year? Be mindful to separate first-time** from repeat offenders. Then, take that number**, and calculate a percentage of the total number of Americans today. What do you get?

    I know, I know, math is hard. But humor us...

    Replies: @Boomstick

    “One in every three black males born today can expect to go to prison at some point in their life, compared with one in every six Latino males, and one in every 17 white males, if current incarceration trends continue.”

    • Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur
    @Boomstick

    That means that living near significant numbers of blacks is extremely dangerous. It also means that 2/3 of black men are not criminals.

    Middle class blacks, who are a significant percentage and make fine neighbors, are the biggest victims of black violence. Just look at Ferguson, so many hard working blacks have lost everything. I'd be a lot more supportive, though, if middle class blacks held more conservative political positions, particularly about criminal justice and law enforcement.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @The most deplorable one, @E. Rekshun

    , @anon
    @Boomstick

    "..if current incarceration RATES CONTINUE."

    Shouldn't that be if current crime RATES CONTINUE. As incarceration is simply the by-product of criminal actions.

  131. @anonymous
    Well-meaning whites concerned about the black homicide rate show an unconscious condescension in their approach to it. All schemes to rectify this is to attempt to turn blacks into second carbon copies of whites. Blacks are the subject to be worked upon and molded to their liking. Can't happen, zebras can't be transformed into horses. If blacks themselves were unhappy with what's been taking place they'd have changed themselves. The real job is how to seal it off from the rest of society and not let it bleed out onto everybody else. How to build an invisible wall internally, that's the question.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Can’t happen, zebras can’t be transformed into horses.

    Anyway, if you look at black Africa, the murder rate in say Ghana is much lower than it is in Nigeria so apparently change is possible.

  132. @anonymous-antimarxist
    Meanwhile back in Cincinnati relatives of black man shot by University of Cincinnati police officer squabble over how to divide up "Ghetto Lottery" winnings.

    The University of Cincinnati hustled to pay a huge settlement long before the officer even has had a hearing or trial as to whether he was guilty to avoid BLM mischief.

    Family of Sam DuBose heads back to court over settlement distribution
    Judge to decide how to divide multimillion-dollar settlemen

    CINCINNATI —The family of a man shot to death by a former University of Cincinnati officer is headed back to court Monday so a judge can decide how to divide up settlement money.

    The shooting that resulted in the death of Samuel DuBose produced a $4.8 million settlement for his family.

    Initially, the attorney for the estate recommended 90 percent of the money go to 12 of the DuBose children, 5 percent to the mother, 1 percent to the father, Samuel Johnson, and 1 percent each to the four maternal siblings.

    No money was recommended for the paternal siblings. That irked some family members.
    Samuel DuBose’s mother, Audrey, later modified her request from 10 to 7 percent. The attorney for DuBose’s father suggested everybody get the same thing.

    In April, Judge Ralph Winkler promised to do the best he can and cautioned there would be some tweaks.

    Winkler said he’ll make sure Samuel DuBose’s children get most of the money.

    A decision is expected at Monday's hearing.


     

    Dubois apparently had 12-13 children. The articles does not say how many baby momas.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Ed, @anonymous-antimarxist

    The Ghetto 401(k) Plan.

  133. @Boomstick
    @Whiskey

    While Black crime will almost certainly be higher than that of the general population, the Black murder rate has moved up and down by substantial amounts over the last 50 years or so. That shows environment, culture, and policing matter a lot.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Black murder rates also vary considerably by country, even between mostly/all black countries in Africa and the Caribbean.

    PS, does anyone have any theories on why the murder rate in the US Virgin Islands is so extraordinarily high? It is at close to Venezuelan levels, i.e. crazy high. It is comparable to the murder rate in largely black US cities (e.g. Detroit) but still very high for an entire group of islands that are not urban ghettos.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Jack D

    After a quick google it seems the US virgin islands may have had a mixed indigenous / African population while the British Virgin islands had only Africans.

    If the murder rate varies dramatically between the two (dunno if so) then maybe the Carib were particularly psycho.

    (either that or the British hung a lot more people than the Danes - who owned the islands until the 1920s)

    Replies: @SPMoore8

    , @Thea
    @Jack D

    Worse hospital treatment for gun shot wounds?

  134. @Yak-15
    @slumber_j

    The hill theory seems to explain the Riverdale neighborhood in the Bronx. It's on a real high hill with relatively restricted access from the rest of the Bronx. Obstacles include a major highway, ravines, a very steep slopping hill and not a lot of roads into the area.

    Replies: @slumber_j, @Big Bill, @Lovernios X

    Riverdale! Great place! No brutha is going to make that exhausting vertical hike up from Spuyten Duyvil station or the longer hike up from the 1/9 station at 231st Street just to break into a few cars. It was the perfect location for the Jewish old folks’ home.

  135. @Mr. Anon
    "....... before the violence spilled out onto the street. There, another Wallace relative, also armed with a handgun, fired back at him."

    The violence just spilled out into the street. Violence is a fluid medium that permeates all things. It's like the aether, or phlogiston.

    These hand-wringing discussions of "the violence" affecting blacks always amount to: "I have a problem. What are you going to do about it."

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    In Leovy’s book Ghettocide, the detectives refer to the constant violence between blacks as “the Monster.” Clever detectives! They know that to attach any moral opprobrium to the perpetrators in front of a reporter would end their careers.

  136. “Michael Nutter, a former Philadelphia mayor, who is black, said that society would not be so complacent if whites were dying from gun violence at the same rate as blacks.”

    I’ve heard this line from various black people quoted in liberal newspapers for decades. To which, my response is, “That’s a mighty big IF. It’s not happening in white communities.”

  137. @anonymous-antimarxist
    Meanwhile back in Cincinnati relatives of black man shot by University of Cincinnati police officer squabble over how to divide up "Ghetto Lottery" winnings.

    The University of Cincinnati hustled to pay a huge settlement long before the officer even has had a hearing or trial as to whether he was guilty to avoid BLM mischief.

    Family of Sam DuBose heads back to court over settlement distribution
    Judge to decide how to divide multimillion-dollar settlemen

    CINCINNATI —The family of a man shot to death by a former University of Cincinnati officer is headed back to court Monday so a judge can decide how to divide up settlement money.

    The shooting that resulted in the death of Samuel DuBose produced a $4.8 million settlement for his family.

    Initially, the attorney for the estate recommended 90 percent of the money go to 12 of the DuBose children, 5 percent to the mother, 1 percent to the father, Samuel Johnson, and 1 percent each to the four maternal siblings.

    No money was recommended for the paternal siblings. That irked some family members.
    Samuel DuBose’s mother, Audrey, later modified her request from 10 to 7 percent. The attorney for DuBose’s father suggested everybody get the same thing.

    In April, Judge Ralph Winkler promised to do the best he can and cautioned there would be some tweaks.

    Winkler said he’ll make sure Samuel DuBose’s children get most of the money.

    A decision is expected at Monday's hearing.


     

    Dubois apparently had 12-13 children. The articles does not say how many baby momas.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Ed, @anonymous-antimarxist

    Don’t intestate laws determine who the estate’s beneficiaries are supposed to be. Why is the judge “tweaking” anything?

    4.8*.67/12 is about $270k for each child if they were to split the entire thing. That money is already spent.

  138. @Yak-15
    @slumber_j

    The hill theory seems to explain the Riverdale neighborhood in the Bronx. It's on a real high hill with relatively restricted access from the rest of the Bronx. Obstacles include a major highway, ravines, a very steep slopping hill and not a lot of roads into the area.

    Replies: @slumber_j, @Big Bill, @Lovernios X

    Sounds like a Bronze Age hill fort.

  139. “Michael Nutter, a former Philadelphia mayor, who is black, said that society would not be so complacent if whites were dying from gun violence at the same rate as blacks.”

    I’ve heard this line from various black people quoted in liberal newspapers for decades. To which, my response is, “That’s a mighty big IF. It’s not happening in white communities.”

    The better response is, “You’re right. Whites don’t have this level of crime and when they do have problems of this scale, they are good about responsibly addressing them. Their behavior is commendable and they should be the model that blacks should want to strive to emulate”.

  140. @Jack D
    @Boomstick

    Black murder rates also vary considerably by country, even between mostly/all black countries in Africa and the Caribbean.

    PS, does anyone have any theories on why the murder rate in the US Virgin Islands is so extraordinarily high? It is at close to Venezuelan levels, i.e. crazy high. It is comparable to the murder rate in largely black US cities (e.g. Detroit) but still very high for an entire group of islands that are not urban ghettos.

    Replies: @anon, @Thea

    After a quick google it seems the US virgin islands may have had a mixed indigenous / African population while the British Virgin islands had only Africans.

    If the murder rate varies dramatically between the two (dunno if so) then maybe the Carib were particularly psycho.

    (either that or the British hung a lot more people than the Danes – who owned the islands until the 1920s)

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @anon

    Danes didn't hang people, they tossed them into bogs. I think the key question is whether or not there are any bogs in the Virgin Islands ......

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bog_body

  141. @Jack D
    @Boomstick

    Black murder rates also vary considerably by country, even between mostly/all black countries in Africa and the Caribbean.

    PS, does anyone have any theories on why the murder rate in the US Virgin Islands is so extraordinarily high? It is at close to Venezuelan levels, i.e. crazy high. It is comparable to the murder rate in largely black US cities (e.g. Detroit) but still very high for an entire group of islands that are not urban ghettos.

    Replies: @anon, @Thea

    Worse hospital treatment for gun shot wounds?

  142. Headline: 5 DEAD, 40 WOUNDED IN CHICAGO WEEKEND SHOOTINGS

    Where is Black Lives Matter WHEN you need them? Where is the call for “trigger warnings” (no pun intended) and “safe spaces” WHERE you need them?

    http://abc7chicago.com/news/5-dead-40-wounded-in-chicago-weekend-shootings/1351241/

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @TheJester

    "Headline: 5 DEAD, 40 WOUNDED IN CHICAGO WEEKEND SHOOTINGS

    Where is Black Lives Matter WHEN you need them? Where is the call for “trigger warnings” (no pun intended) and “safe spaces” WHERE you need them?”

    None of the 40 wounded and 5 dead were shot by White people, so Black Lies Matter do not care.

    You are not going to see any hashtags from Black Twitter like “Say Their Names” regarding victims of Black on Black murder.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

  143. @Dr. X
    I have been involved in competitive shooting for 20 years, and shot in national events for the last twelve. Among the thousands and thousands of shooters I have encountered over that period of time, I can literally count the number of blacks on one hand.

    Competitive shooting is, above all else, a game of extreme, Zen-like mental focus. It requires a significant attention to detail in terms of equipment and environmental conditions. I would liken the attitude of the competitive shooter to that of a professional pilot -- all business, which includes a positively anal emphasis on safety.

    Blacks do not generally possess these traits. Consequently, the competitive shooting community is 99.9+ percent white. I believe that blacks are genetically hard-wired to have less impulse control than whites, and that this attribute explains black success in pursuits that require spontaneous behavior, like basketball and bebop jazz, but it also explains a LOT of senseless black criminality and the ease with which blacks routinely just grab a gun and shoot wildly after the slightest provocation.

    Competitive shooters, many of whom have fired hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammunition, would never do anything like that.

    The problem with impulsive black shootings is that they are being used politically to justify infringements on the freedoms of millions of sober, responsible, self-sufficient whites. Perhaps the Founders were right -- all of them believed that blacks were incapable of functioning in a free society, and that blacks would be better off if they were emancipated and then repatriated to Africa.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Rifleman, @dr kill, @Twinkie

    Here in Palm Beach County I have the opposite experience. Attending local gun shows, I guesstimate the white crowd at about 80 percent. The non – white crowd generally looks like the evening crime report news; complete with dreads, neck tats and baby mamas, except for the friendly, fun- interacting experience we all share. Brothers and Sisters of the Gun. Damn, gun shows are fun.
    Ain’t no felons buying guns at a Florida gun show, pay no mind to Eric Holder.

  144. @dcite
    @Judah Benjamin Hur

    Where are your statistics for that?

    Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur, @Triumph104

    I don’t actually know if there are any reliable statistics, but Pew has this one that is suggestive:

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/06/12/interracial-marriage-who-is-marrying-out/ft_15-06-12-intermarriage-newlyweds/

    The problem is that fertility rates are always reported by maternity, which is fine if everything averages out, but it doesn’t.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Judah Benjamin Hur

    The excess black fertility--i.e. mudsharking--problem you refer to is going to be worse than just the intermarriage rates. Mudshark fertility skews toward the type of white woman who is less likely to get married and towards non-martial child bearing.

    This excess fertility problem was an astute observation. The public number just doesn't capture the whole problem. Sorta like lining up for a race ... then seeing those nasty saw-toothed hubs on Messala's chariot.

  145. @anon
    @Jack D

    After a quick google it seems the US virgin islands may have had a mixed indigenous / African population while the British Virgin islands had only Africans.

    If the murder rate varies dramatically between the two (dunno if so) then maybe the Carib were particularly psycho.

    (either that or the British hung a lot more people than the Danes - who owned the islands until the 1920s)

    Replies: @SPMoore8

    Danes didn’t hang people, they tossed them into bogs. I think the key question is whether or not there are any bogs in the Virgin Islands ……

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bog_body

  146. @Rifleman
    @Dr. X

    Competitive shooting is, above all else, a game of extreme, Zen-like mental focus. It requires a significant attention to detail in terms of equipment and environmental conditions. I would liken the attitude of the competitive shooter to that of a professional pilot...

    Which leads to the question of rates of OCD and autism among blacks.

    Maybe the lower rates of nerdiness, OCD and autism among blacks is a reason for their general lack of interest in an activity such as competitive shooting.

    Guys standing around shooting precisely at stationary targets with no outcome other than comparing relative precision with other dudes is never going to motivate black or sub saharan males.

    It's a wonder the activity isn't more Asian.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun, @Twinkie

    Maybe the lower rates of nerdiness, OCD and autism among blacks is a reason for their general lack of interest in an activity such as competitive shooting.

    Or general lack of interest in computer programming or actuarial science.

  147. @Erik Sieven
    @fnn

    taking into account the recent Okinawa case I wonder which percentage of yearly rapes in South Korea and Japan combined is committed by black men. Also I wonder whether in the last 5000 years there has be been one single case of an east asian man sexual assaulting a woman in subsaharan Africa. Also it would be interesting whether in the last decades (after WW II) one single western women has been sexually assaulted in Korea, Japan or China.

    Replies: @Whoever

    Also it would be interesting whether in the last decades (after WW II) one single western women has been sexually assaulted in Korea, Japan or China.

    There has been at least one. Read People Who Eat Darkness by Richard Lloyd Parry. It’s the story of “Lucie Blackman—tall, blond, twenty-one years old—[who] stepped out into the vastness of Tokyo in the summer of 2000, and disappeared forever. The following winter, her dismembered remains were found buried in a seaside cave.”

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Whoever


    There has been at least one.
     
    It's like discussing white-on-black rape. One thinks, "surely there must be some." And then once looking at the data, one realizes quickly that they are so few as to be statistically insignificant.

    I suspect there are more rapes in South Korea than in Japan, because Korean men consume more alcohol per capita and because Koreans are a bit more violent than the Japanese (higher murder rate, 0.8 per 100,000 versus 0.3). But, of course, both rates pale in comparison to both the U.S. (3.8) and Mexico (18.9).

    On the other hand, a teenage girl is probably more likely to be molested by grown men in Japan than in South Korea, judging from the young school girl fetish that seems to be in vogue in Japan.

    In any case, the likelihood of rape is exceedingly low in East Asia. Any ranting about "rape culture" is just silly. I would suggest the author of that screed above to try India or Mexico next time.
  148. Whoever said above that it’s not just IQ, it’s also aggression, is correct. But it’s not just IQ and aggression, it’s time horizons, or impulsiveness, if you prefer; at maximum impulsiveness, whatever mood has taken you, it’s all that matters. There is no future, only the now.

    since most of these guns are illegal already (in big cities like Philadelphia you need a carry permit which is rarely issued) changing the law would do nothing to actually reduce the # of guns.

    But changing law enforcement probably would. Stop, frisk, confiscate. Even middle class people would have a hard time affording concealed carry if they routinely had to replace confiscated weapons.

    “They are products of bad education policy, where our young people are used as products, versus being educated. They are products of the fact that you are dealing with a city with high poverty numbers, so to relate these young people as terrorists is wrong.”

    Funny, the reverend is going to great pains to contrast his charges with terrorists, but the explanations for their behavior sound exactly the same as the ones the media always gives to explain terrorism.

    As for the assertion that people just need to interact with each other more to break down barriers, apparently the author has never heard the phrase “familiarity breeds contempt.”

    Yeah. From the hit piece:

    She points out, as the study demonstrates, “being smart doesn’t mean you can’t be racist if you are never around others who are different.”

    I’m smart, racist, and grew up in a black neighborhood. Is someone’s head exploding, somewhere?

    Off-topic, but this new NBER paper may interest Steve and his readers:

    My guess: a combination of genetic reversion to the mean, and leaving the Tiger Motherland. The former will be ignored.

    Yes, yes, yes, we are all fully aware of the standard human biodiversity arguments.

    Now, how many black males commit felonies each year?

    Relative to other races? A lot. This is the math people really care about. I mean, if only 1 in 100 encounters with little green men results in a human getting punched in the face, that’s easily enough for little green men to earn a bad reputation.

    1 in 100 doesn’t sound like a lot, until you attach something bad enough. Say, getting punched in the face, or Bob getting 1 out of every 100 dollars you take home after taxes.

    “Math is hard,” lol. Is that why you didn’t do any?

    This is without doubt to be expected in a people who for generations have been trained to shirk work

    Another way to look at it is that slavery might be the most efficient way to get blacks to work. Given the intra-black history of slavery, blacks might just agree.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Svigor

    "I’m smart, racist, and grew up in a black neighborhood. Is someone’s head exploding, somewhere?"

    Stone Mountain, Georgia?

    , @Jack D
    @Svigor


    Stop, frisk, confiscate.
     
    As was mentioned in this thread, ghetto blacks usually don't concealed carry all the time, because they know they already have a good chance of being frisked. If caught, not only does the weapon get confiscated but they go to jail. Rather what they do is that they have various hiding places where they keep weapons and bring them out when they are ready to use them. Many ghetto murder narratives involve Person B dissing Person A, whereupon Person A leaves, retrieves his weapon, comes back and shoots Person B and/or anyone in the vicinity/line of fire.
    , @Corvinus
    @Svigor

    "Relative to other races? A lot. This is the math people really care about. I mean, if only 1 in 100
    encounters with little green men results in a human getting punched in the face, that’s easily enough for little green men to earn a bad reputation."

    No, it is not "easily enough".

    Speaking of numbers, in 2014, the US Census Bureau estimated 45,672,250 African Americans in the United States out of 318.9 million Americans. Out of this percentage, only 4.7 percent of all adult black males are incarcerated. One million out of 2.4 million incarcerated are black, with 6% of all black males ages 30 to 39 were in prison.

    One could take these numbers to mean that MOST blacks are NOT criminals.

    Replies: @Boomstick, @Kylie

  149. @Arclight
    @Dave Pinsen

    It's also partly a function of whose esteem you are seeking and the expectations they place on you - for suburban white kids, no matter how much fun it is to listen to rap and play-act with friends, at the end of the day they aren't going to live out the fantasy because it's not considered an acceptable way of life by friends and family and the girls they are chasing will tire of the act pretty quickly, and that probably matters as much as anything to a late-teens to 20-something male.

    In contrast, a black kid who acts "real" is respected/feared and gets the attention of young black women. They are rewarded by the objects of their desire and their peers for thuggish behavior, so that's what society gets.

    While this seems to be a pretty common circumstance for American born blacks, in my observation real Africans who live in America are revolted by the behavior of African-Americans. I used to live in an area with a lot of Ethiopians and their comments about American blacks and what they thought of them were tougher and more blunt than anything I have heard out of a stereotypical white redneck.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun

    real Africans who live in America are revolted by the behavior of African-Americans.

    Same thing w/ first generation Caribbean blacks.

  150. @Jack D
    @David In TN

    It's always necessary to demonize your enemies on the battlefield and the Japanese did some very cruel things. Not to mention suicide attacks and other crazy stuff. However, once the war was over, they were able to turn on a dime from being fanatical fighters to peaceful makers of low cost, high quality electronics and automobiles. I don't get the feeling that the same will be true of the Islamic State. So the Japanese must have been more than just fanatical emperor-worshipers or somehow different than the equally brutal Islamic fighters today.

    Replies: @Forbes

    It might be reasonable to note that Japan was defeated in WWII, forced into an unconditional surrender, with occupation by the victors, while a number of the tenets of their civilization, culture, and institutions changed to mitigate a repeat. The unlikelihood of a similar defeat, and outside imposition of changed conditions on Islamic culture implies there will be no turning on a dime.

    • Replies: @Winthorp
    @Forbes

    Reminds me of this recent blog post on ISIS by Peter Turchin, the dean of cliodynamics, where he acknowledges that Ann Coulter had history on her side when she advocated invading the Muslim world, killing their leaders, and converting them to Christianity. A glorious moment in the annals of online reaction.

    http://peterturchin.com/blog/2016/03/28/the-new-caliphate-part-iv-three-strategies-that-the-west-can-follow/

  151. @Boomstick
    @Corvinus

    "One in every three black males born today can expect to go to prison at some point in their life, compared with one in every six Latino males, and one in every 17 white males, if current incarceration trends continue."

    Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur, @anon

    That means that living near significant numbers of blacks is extremely dangerous. It also means that 2/3 of black men are not criminals.

    Middle class blacks, who are a significant percentage and make fine neighbors, are the biggest victims of black violence. Just look at Ferguson, so many hard working blacks have lost everything. I’d be a lot more supportive, though, if middle class blacks held more conservative political positions, particularly about criminal justice and law enforcement.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Judah Benjamin Hur

    "Middle class blacks, who are a significant percentage and make fine neighbors, are the biggest victims of black violence. Just look at Ferguson, so many hard working blacks have lost everything. I’d be a lot more supportive, though, if middle class blacks held more conservative political positions, particularly about criminal justice and law enforcement."

    Most middle class Blacks have at least 1 thug underclass Black cousin for example. The reason most of them have Left Wing liberal views on crime is because they don't want to see their cousin go to prison.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @The most deplorable one
    @Judah Benjamin Hur



    That means that living near significant numbers of blacks is extremely dangerous. It also means that 2/3 of black men are not criminals.
     
    That many? I thought maybe 10% of blacks were criminals.

    At the percentage you suggest there are likely more black criminals in America than white and Jewish criminals combined.
    , @E. Rekshun
    @Judah Benjamin Hur

    It also means that 2/3 of black men are not criminals.

    Yay! Let's give them a Nobel prize!


    Middle class blacks, who are a significant percentage and make fine neighbors, are the biggest victims of black violence.

    One middle-class black family might make a tolerable neighbor, but I don't know about fine; many more than that and, well, you know...And, besides, the middle-class black victims of black violence are being victimized by no one other than each others' fathers, sons, brothers, uncles, and cousins.

  152. These articles are also particularly malicious because the asshole reporters don’t know the difference between the Elks Lodge (the Benevolent and Protective Order of Elks; a mainly white organization until a few years ago), and the other elks lodge (the IMPROVED Benevolent and Protective Order of Elks) founded a century ago specifically for blacks. This pops up about once a year in news articles about killings.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    @South Texas Guy

    Thanks for the information. The Black Elks were formed in Cincinnati where the shooting took place, so that would explain the relatively young and definitely under-class crowd at the lodge.

  153. @Dave Pinsen
    @Jefferson

    IIRC, he lived in Harlem for years.

    Replies: @Evocatus

    Harlem has become both increasingly gentrified and increasingly Hispanic, due to the Dominicans moving in from Washington Heights.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Evocatus

    "Harlem has become both increasingly gentrified and increasingly Hispanic, due to the Dominicans moving in from Washington Heights."

    So the presence of Dominicans makes a place less Black? Do most Dominicans look like Ted Cruz?

    Replies: @keypusher, @Evocatus, @V Vega

  154. @dcite
    @Judah Benjamin Hur

    Where are your statistics for that?

    Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur, @Triumph104

    Fertility rate or average number of children per woman: white 1.8, black 2.1, Hispanic 2.4. LINK.

    When you hear a stat that 70 percent of black children are born out of wedlock, it actually means that 70 percent of black women have children out of wedlock. The CDC looks at the mother’s race not the child’s nor the father’s. LINK.

    Studies on interracial births are simply ignored. I didn’t know about this 2015 study until I decided to respond to your post. “92% of biracial children with African American fathers are born out of wedlock and 82% end up on government assistance.”

    Be sure to save the study immediately or view privately with your ip address hidden otherwise you may get blocked from viewing a second or third time due to ”overuse”: LINK. Short article on the study: LINK.

    Slightly related, for decades the percentage of children in foster care who were black hovered around 40 percent. By 2014, the black percentage dropped to 24 percent. This is due mostly to the new biracial category in which 10 percent of children fall. Three percent of children are classified as unknown. LINK.

  155. @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    @anonitron1

    "Attributing black gun violence to early 90′s “gangsta” rap is fundamentally wrongheaded, for a couple of reasons:"
    You knowing about this stuff makes me sad.

    Replies: @Anonitron2

    Criticisms of rap floated by people with no interest in the genre are mostly specious and always uninteresting – doubly so here, on this website, given a substantial segment of the commentariat assumes that because this is an HBD blog OF COURSE everyone reading it disdains all the products of black culture. That’s incorrect, obviously, and even if you have a visceral hatred of rap music I hope you agree it’s better to articulate that hatred from a position of greater knowledge, not lesser.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Anonitron2

    "........given a substantial segment of the commentariat assumes that because this is an HBD blog OF COURSE everyone reading it disdains all the products of black culture. That’s incorrect, obviously, and even if you have a visceral hatred of rap music I hope you agree it’s better to articulate that hatred from a position of greater knowledge, not lesser."

    Nonsense. Plenty of people here have said favorable things about the products of black culture - from back when it had some. Ragtime, jazz, soul, motown. There was a lot of good music there.

    But Rap isn't music. It's shit.

    Replies: @Former Darfur

  156. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    @dcite

    I don't actually know if there are any reliable statistics, but Pew has this one that is suggestive:

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/06/12/interracial-marriage-who-is-marrying-out/ft_15-06-12-intermarriage-newlyweds/

    The problem is that fertility rates are always reported by maternity, which is fine if everything averages out, but it doesn't.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    The excess black fertility–i.e. mudsharking–problem you refer to is going to be worse than just the intermarriage rates. Mudshark fertility skews toward the type of white woman who is less likely to get married and towards non-martial child bearing.

    This excess fertility problem was an astute observation. The public number just doesn’t capture the whole problem. Sorta like lining up for a race … then seeing those nasty saw-toothed hubs on Messala’s chariot.

  157. @Otto the P
    Black people don't kill black people because of racism, poverty, economic inequality, lack of opportunity. Rather those things are symptoms, not causes; they occur for the SAME REASON as black violence: low IQ, low impulse control, low concept of future, low grasp of cause and effect, low investment in family and society, low character and, oh yes, low IQ. To make it worse, they've been told by liberal fools and scoundrels for two generations that nothing is their fault, it's all The System. Did I mention low IQ?

    Replies: @Ed, @Anonym, @Corvinus, @Mack Bolan

    Maybe they should make illegal to sell liquor in black neighborhoods like it still is on many Indian reservations. Alcohol seems to have the same effect on both groups of people.

  158. A few years ago, Buffalo had the “City Grill Massacre” where an unwanted guest, Riccardo McCrea returned to an anniversary party and opened fire with a large caliber handgun. Four were killed and four grievously wounded, including one who will live out his life in a vegative state. McCrea actually “executed” two of his victims, one a wounded male who he held down with his foot while he finished him off and a young women, who he shot, point blank in the neck, while she cowered in a doorway. Last year a Buffalo man celebrated his 29th birthday with a party that attracted at least 100 “guests.” The party ended when an uninvited guest opened fire on the crowd. The birthday boy lost his life and left behind, if my memory serves me right, six or seven daughters, with nary a former, ex or otherwise wife in sight. He did, however, leave behind a grieving “fiancée”. There is a thread that runs through both stories, seven of the eight City Grille victims and the deceased birthday boy all had prior criminal records. McCrea also had priors. So, not only is it black on black, but mostly black criminal on black criminal. One other point, a middle aged Chicago city employee was shot and killed last week while she was exiting a Starbucks within walking distance of Police HQ. Don’t know if there was any message about “race” on her coffee cup but she was described as an unintended victim, also frequently described as being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and yes she was black.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Buffalo Joe

    Yep. Bitches . . . ho's . . . and “fiancées."

    , @Boomstick
    @Buffalo Joe

    That's pretty typical in large cities. In Milwaukee about 85% of the shooting victims had priors:

    "In non-fatal shootings in 2011, 97 percent of the 177 suspects and 86 percent of the 473 victims had at least one prior arrest. The report doesn’t say how many.

    However, O’Brien said a closer analysis of non-fatal shootings during a six-week period in July and August 2011, when non-fatal shootings increased, found that suspects had an average of 7.5 prior arrests and victims had an average of about six. O’Brien said that based on her past studies, she would expect that the rest of the suspects and victims in the non-fatal shootings in 2011 had a similar number of prior arrests."

    (From Politifact, which goes on to do its usual shucking and jiving.)

  159. @Evocatus
    @Dave Pinsen

    Harlem has become both increasingly gentrified and increasingly Hispanic, due to the Dominicans moving in from Washington Heights.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Harlem has become both increasingly gentrified and increasingly Hispanic, due to the Dominicans moving in from Washington Heights.”

    So the presence of Dominicans makes a place less Black? Do most Dominicans look like Ted Cruz?

    • Replies: @keypusher
    @Jefferson

    No, but for the most part they don't look like Joe Frazier either.

    Plus whites have been moving to Washington Heights for a couple of decades now. The whites prefer to call their part of the area (west of Broadway) "Hudson Heights."

    Replies: @Jefferson

    , @Evocatus
    @Jefferson

    "So the presence of Dominicans makes a place less Black? Do most Dominicans look like Ted Cruz?"

    No, obviously most Dominicans have black ancestry to some degree or another, although many Dominicans from the Cibao (Northern DR) do tend to have more white Spanish blood than those from the capital. However, a great many of them also do no consider themselves to be "black" in the same cultural sense that Black Americans or Anglophone Caribbeans do. This is especially true of the ones from the island. I remember a Dominican-born man of my acquaintance insisted that he not black but "mulatto" even though he had only a slightly lighter complexion then Al Sharpton.

    Nowadays, you will likely find fewer soul food restaurants in Harlem and more high end coffee shops due to gentrification from transplants like Genius T. Coates and his SWPL counterparts. The projects are still there but most middle class blacks are being pushed into high crime shitholes like Brownsville or East New York (i.e. far from Manhattan and hipster Brooklyn) or out of the city entirely.

    , @V Vega
    @Jefferson


    So the presence of Dominicans makes a place less Black? Do most Dominicans look like Ted Cruz?
     
    Most Dominicans despise blacks, and have effectively cleansed them from the majority of west Harlem, making it far safer for whites as a consequence.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Brutusale

  160. @Sailer has an interesting life
    Yo Stevarino. I'm sure you are hard at work writing some important long form article about the Japanese and WW2 and the dropping of the atomic bombs. So let me give you some cool quotes by the Main Man LKY.

    Second paragraph is the key.

    /* */
    Those of my generation who saw the Japanese soldiers in the flesh cannot forget their almost inhuman attitude to death in battle. They were not afraid to die. They made fearsome enemies and needed so little to keep going – the tin containers
    on their belts carried only rice, some soya beans and salt fish. Throughout the occupation, a common sight was of Japanese soldiers at bayonet practice on open fields. Their war cries as they stabbed their gunny-sack dummies were loodcurdling.
    Had the British re-invaded and fought their way down Malaya into Singapore, there would have been immense devastation.

    After seeing them at close quarters, I was sure that for sheer fighting spirit, they were among the world’s finest. But they also showed a meanness and viciousness towards their enemies equal to the Huns’. Genghis Khan and his hordes could not have been more merciless. I have no doubts about whether the two atom bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were necessary. Without them, hundreds of thousands of civilians in Malaya and Singapore, and millions in Japan itself, would have perished.

    What made them such warriors? The Japanese call it bushido, the code of the samurai, or Nippon seishin, the spirit of Nippon. I believe it was systematic indoctrination in the cult of emperor worship, and in their racial superiority as a chosen people who could conquer all. They were convinced that to die in battle for the emperor meant they would ascend to heaven and become gods, while their ashes were preserved at the Yasukuni Shrine in the suburbs of Tokyo
    Kuan Yew Lee - The Singapore Story Memoirs of Lee Kuan Yew, Vol. 1-Times Editions (1998)
    /* */

    Off topic. Let me call Mr. Anon stupid on a regular basis. Please? I know you hate human doo doo heads as much as I do. And it is such fun to tease him and see if he lacks the self control to response. I'll only keep my mocking to a few sentences. Pretty please? You know you want to.

    "I have no doubts about whether the two atom bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were necessary. Without them, hundreds of thousands of civilians in Malaya and Singapore, and millions in Japan itself, would have perished".
    --The Main Man Lee Kuan Yew

    Replies: @Thea, @David In TN, @Mr. Anon

    “Off topic. Let me call Mr. Anon stupid on a regular basis. Please? I know you hate human doo doo heads as much as I do. And it is such fun to tease him and see if he lacks the self control to response. I’ll only keep my mocking to a few sentences.”

    Is it lack of self control to reply to insults? What am I supposed to do? Let your insults go unrebutted? You are a ridiculous little idiot who – as far as I can tell – has never had anything much of any value to add to the discussion at this website.

    • Replies: @Sailer has an interesting life
    @Mr. Anon

    Alright. My first reply didn't get past the censor board. How about this?

    "See Steve. Me and Mr. Anon are just joshing around. It's all good fun. I promise to keep my insults at a kindergarten level. Much like Mr. Anon's thought process".

    Fingers crossed that this makes the cut.

  161. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    @Boomstick

    That means that living near significant numbers of blacks is extremely dangerous. It also means that 2/3 of black men are not criminals.

    Middle class blacks, who are a significant percentage and make fine neighbors, are the biggest victims of black violence. Just look at Ferguson, so many hard working blacks have lost everything. I'd be a lot more supportive, though, if middle class blacks held more conservative political positions, particularly about criminal justice and law enforcement.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @The most deplorable one, @E. Rekshun

    “Middle class blacks, who are a significant percentage and make fine neighbors, are the biggest victims of black violence. Just look at Ferguson, so many hard working blacks have lost everything. I’d be a lot more supportive, though, if middle class blacks held more conservative political positions, particularly about criminal justice and law enforcement.”

    Most middle class Blacks have at least 1 thug underclass Black cousin for example. The reason most of them have Left Wing liberal views on crime is because they don’t want to see their cousin go to prison.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Jefferson

    "Most middle class Blacks have at least 1 thug underclass Black cousin for example."

    And most middle class Whites have at least 1 thug underclass White cousin as well. Your point?

    Replies: @Twinkie, @V Vega, @anon, @Mr. Anon

  162. @Svigor
    Whoever said above that it's not just IQ, it's also aggression, is correct. But it's not just IQ and aggression, it's time horizons, or impulsiveness, if you prefer; at maximum impulsiveness, whatever mood has taken you, it's all that matters. There is no future, only the now.

    since most of these guns are illegal already (in big cities like Philadelphia you need a carry permit which is rarely issued) changing the law would do nothing to actually reduce the # of guns.
     
    But changing law enforcement probably would. Stop, frisk, confiscate. Even middle class people would have a hard time affording concealed carry if they routinely had to replace confiscated weapons.

    “They are products of bad education policy, where our young people are used as products, versus being educated. They are products of the fact that you are dealing with a city with high poverty numbers, so to relate these young people as terrorists is wrong.”
     
    Funny, the reverend is going to great pains to contrast his charges with terrorists, but the explanations for their behavior sound exactly the same as the ones the media always gives to explain terrorism.

    As for the assertion that people just need to interact with each other more to break down barriers, apparently the author has never heard the phrase “familiarity breeds contempt.”
     
    Yeah. From the hit piece:

    She points out, as the study demonstrates, "being smart doesn't mean you can't be racist if you are never around others who are different."
     
    I'm smart, racist, and grew up in a black neighborhood. Is someone's head exploding, somewhere?

    Off-topic, but this new NBER paper may interest Steve and his readers:
     
    My guess: a combination of genetic reversion to the mean, and leaving the Tiger Motherland. The former will be ignored.

    Yes, yes, yes, we are all fully aware of the standard human biodiversity arguments.

    Now, how many black males commit felonies each year?
     
    Relative to other races? A lot. This is the math people really care about. I mean, if only 1 in 100 encounters with little green men results in a human getting punched in the face, that's easily enough for little green men to earn a bad reputation.

    1 in 100 doesn't sound like a lot, until you attach something bad enough. Say, getting punched in the face, or Bob getting 1 out of every 100 dollars you take home after taxes.

    "Math is hard," lol. Is that why you didn't do any?

    This is without doubt to be expected in a people who for generations have been trained to shirk work
     
    Another way to look at it is that slavery might be the most efficient way to get blacks to work. Given the intra-black history of slavery, blacks might just agree.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Jack D, @Corvinus

    “I’m smart, racist, and grew up in a black neighborhood. Is someone’s head exploding, somewhere?”

    Stone Mountain, Georgia?

  163. @TheJester
    Headline: 5 DEAD, 40 WOUNDED IN CHICAGO WEEKEND SHOOTINGS

    Where is Black Lives Matter WHEN you need them? Where is the call for "trigger warnings" (no pun intended) and "safe spaces" WHERE you need them?

    http://abc7chicago.com/news/5-dead-40-wounded-in-chicago-weekend-shootings/1351241/

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Headline: 5 DEAD, 40 WOUNDED IN CHICAGO WEEKEND SHOOTINGS

    Where is Black Lives Matter WHEN you need them? Where is the call for “trigger warnings” (no pun intended) and “safe spaces” WHERE you need them?”

    None of the 40 wounded and 5 dead were shot by White people, so Black Lies Matter do not care.

    You are not going to see any hashtags from Black Twitter like “Say Their Names” regarding victims of Black on Black murder.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Jefferson

    You are not going to see any hashtags from Black Twitter like “Say Their Names” regarding victims of Black on Black murder.

    Saying the names of victims of black-on-black murder would be like one of those marathon readings of James Joyce's Ulysses.

  164. @anonymous-antimarxist
    Meanwhile back in Cincinnati relatives of black man shot by University of Cincinnati police officer squabble over how to divide up "Ghetto Lottery" winnings.

    The University of Cincinnati hustled to pay a huge settlement long before the officer even has had a hearing or trial as to whether he was guilty to avoid BLM mischief.

    Family of Sam DuBose heads back to court over settlement distribution
    Judge to decide how to divide multimillion-dollar settlemen

    CINCINNATI —The family of a man shot to death by a former University of Cincinnati officer is headed back to court Monday so a judge can decide how to divide up settlement money.

    The shooting that resulted in the death of Samuel DuBose produced a $4.8 million settlement for his family.

    Initially, the attorney for the estate recommended 90 percent of the money go to 12 of the DuBose children, 5 percent to the mother, 1 percent to the father, Samuel Johnson, and 1 percent each to the four maternal siblings.

    No money was recommended for the paternal siblings. That irked some family members.
    Samuel DuBose’s mother, Audrey, later modified her request from 10 to 7 percent. The attorney for DuBose’s father suggested everybody get the same thing.

    In April, Judge Ralph Winkler promised to do the best he can and cautioned there would be some tweaks.

    Winkler said he’ll make sure Samuel DuBose’s children get most of the money.

    A decision is expected at Monday's hearing.


     

    Dubois apparently had 12-13 children. The articles does not say how many baby momas.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Ed, @anonymous-antimarxist

    More details that the Cultural Marxist Media hides about Cincinnati Ghetto Lottery winner Sam Dubose.

    Shameful family fight over settlement in death of Sam DuBose

    http://rollingout.com/2016/04/14/shameful-family-fight-settlement-death-sam-dubose/

    DuBose had 13 children by 11 different mothers, seven of his children are adults and Ohio law dictates that the estate should be split among his surviving children. But in a heated court hearing, which the lawyers called unsavory, even DuBose’s siblings are trying to lay claim to the money from his death. DuBose’s biological father, Sam Johnson, never married his mother and spent five years in prison when his son was an infant. Despite this, he claims that he was still a frequent part of his son’s life and his grief is just as great as DuBose’s mother. For her part, Audrey DuBose stated that she felt that Johnson was absent from her son’s life and in effect was “trying to rob us of the right to administer his estate.”

  165. @Svigor
    Whoever said above that it's not just IQ, it's also aggression, is correct. But it's not just IQ and aggression, it's time horizons, or impulsiveness, if you prefer; at maximum impulsiveness, whatever mood has taken you, it's all that matters. There is no future, only the now.

    since most of these guns are illegal already (in big cities like Philadelphia you need a carry permit which is rarely issued) changing the law would do nothing to actually reduce the # of guns.
     
    But changing law enforcement probably would. Stop, frisk, confiscate. Even middle class people would have a hard time affording concealed carry if they routinely had to replace confiscated weapons.

    “They are products of bad education policy, where our young people are used as products, versus being educated. They are products of the fact that you are dealing with a city with high poverty numbers, so to relate these young people as terrorists is wrong.”
     
    Funny, the reverend is going to great pains to contrast his charges with terrorists, but the explanations for their behavior sound exactly the same as the ones the media always gives to explain terrorism.

    As for the assertion that people just need to interact with each other more to break down barriers, apparently the author has never heard the phrase “familiarity breeds contempt.”
     
    Yeah. From the hit piece:

    She points out, as the study demonstrates, "being smart doesn't mean you can't be racist if you are never around others who are different."
     
    I'm smart, racist, and grew up in a black neighborhood. Is someone's head exploding, somewhere?

    Off-topic, but this new NBER paper may interest Steve and his readers:
     
    My guess: a combination of genetic reversion to the mean, and leaving the Tiger Motherland. The former will be ignored.

    Yes, yes, yes, we are all fully aware of the standard human biodiversity arguments.

    Now, how many black males commit felonies each year?
     
    Relative to other races? A lot. This is the math people really care about. I mean, if only 1 in 100 encounters with little green men results in a human getting punched in the face, that's easily enough for little green men to earn a bad reputation.

    1 in 100 doesn't sound like a lot, until you attach something bad enough. Say, getting punched in the face, or Bob getting 1 out of every 100 dollars you take home after taxes.

    "Math is hard," lol. Is that why you didn't do any?

    This is without doubt to be expected in a people who for generations have been trained to shirk work
     
    Another way to look at it is that slavery might be the most efficient way to get blacks to work. Given the intra-black history of slavery, blacks might just agree.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Jack D, @Corvinus

    Stop, frisk, confiscate.

    As was mentioned in this thread, ghetto blacks usually don’t concealed carry all the time, because they know they already have a good chance of being frisked. If caught, not only does the weapon get confiscated but they go to jail. Rather what they do is that they have various hiding places where they keep weapons and bring them out when they are ready to use them. Many ghetto murder narratives involve Person B dissing Person A, whereupon Person A leaves, retrieves his weapon, comes back and shoots Person B and/or anyone in the vicinity/line of fire.

  166. @Jefferson
    @SPMoore8

    " It’s hard to make any progress when someone like Genius T Coates insists that any discussion of HBD is racist, and that there’s nothing wrong with northern urban black culture."

    Ta-Nehisi Coates said Black crime is a myth. If that is the case, he should purchase a home in the same zip code as the South Bronx or the Brownsville housing projects, since he resides in New York City. None of that lily White Tribeca shit

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Olorin

    Funnier still, T. Genius bought a $2.1 million brownstone (for which the sellers had paid $990,000 in 2010) in a highly gentrifying part of Brooklyn…then didn’t move into it because he was concerned about “personal safety.”

    T. Genius’s problem appears to be that he’s a beta male. In return for millions of dollars he has projected onto whites his disgruntlement over being bullied by blacks as a fat bookish kid who didn’t know how to fight.

    I can’t help concluding that his real grievance is that he wasn’t a white kid whose dad taught him how to handle that sort of thing.

    http://ny.curbed.com/2016/5/5/11601260/ta-nehisi-coates-brooklyn-home-sold

    http://therealdeal.com/2016/05/05/ta-nehisi-coates-shells-out-2-1m-for-brooklyn-townhouse/

    And here, he maunders on about and avoids the fact of his cowardice for a few thousand well chosen words:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/on-homecomings/481818/

  167. @Jefferson
    @Evocatus

    "Harlem has become both increasingly gentrified and increasingly Hispanic, due to the Dominicans moving in from Washington Heights."

    So the presence of Dominicans makes a place less Black? Do most Dominicans look like Ted Cruz?

    Replies: @keypusher, @Evocatus, @V Vega

    No, but for the most part they don’t look like Joe Frazier either.

    Plus whites have been moving to Washington Heights for a couple of decades now. The whites prefer to call their part of the area (west of Broadway) “Hudson Heights.”

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @keypusher

    "No, but for the most part they don’t look like Joe Frazier either."

    Dominicans for the most part look closer to Joe Frazier in phenotype than they do to Steve Sailer.

    Even George Zimmerman looks Whiter than most Dominicans. Your average Dominican looks like Eric Holder and Gus Fring from Breaking Bad.

    If most Dominicans in The U.S lived in the South during Jim Crow, most of them would not be allowed to eat at Whites only restaurants and shop at Whites only stores.

    Replies: @BB753, @keypusher

  168. Seems that if men can claim their women inside, and society is supposed to respect their wishes, treat it as truth, let them go to female toilets, etc., then they logically could claim they’re women when heading to prison. Seems like a good choice for white criminals when in an overwhelmingly black city.

  169. @Jefferson
    @Evocatus

    "Harlem has become both increasingly gentrified and increasingly Hispanic, due to the Dominicans moving in from Washington Heights."

    So the presence of Dominicans makes a place less Black? Do most Dominicans look like Ted Cruz?

    Replies: @keypusher, @Evocatus, @V Vega

    “So the presence of Dominicans makes a place less Black? Do most Dominicans look like Ted Cruz?”

    No, obviously most Dominicans have black ancestry to some degree or another, although many Dominicans from the Cibao (Northern DR) do tend to have more white Spanish blood than those from the capital. However, a great many of them also do no consider themselves to be “black” in the same cultural sense that Black Americans or Anglophone Caribbeans do. This is especially true of the ones from the island. I remember a Dominican-born man of my acquaintance insisted that he not black but “mulatto” even though he had only a slightly lighter complexion then Al Sharpton.

    Nowadays, you will likely find fewer soul food restaurants in Harlem and more high end coffee shops due to gentrification from transplants like Genius T. Coates and his SWPL counterparts. The projects are still there but most middle class blacks are being pushed into high crime shitholes like Brownsville or East New York (i.e. far from Manhattan and hipster Brooklyn) or out of the city entirely.

  170. @Forbes
    @Jack D

    It might be reasonable to note that Japan was defeated in WWII, forced into an unconditional surrender, with occupation by the victors, while a number of the tenets of their civilization, culture, and institutions changed to mitigate a repeat. The unlikelihood of a similar defeat, and outside imposition of changed conditions on Islamic culture implies there will be no turning on a dime.

    Replies: @Winthorp

    Reminds me of this recent blog post on ISIS by Peter Turchin, the dean of cliodynamics, where he acknowledges that Ann Coulter had history on her side when she advocated invading the Muslim world, killing their leaders, and converting them to Christianity. A glorious moment in the annals of online reaction.

    http://peterturchin.com/blog/2016/03/28/the-new-caliphate-part-iv-three-strategies-that-the-west-can-follow/

  171. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Judah Benjamin Hur
    @Boomstick

    That means that living near significant numbers of blacks is extremely dangerous. It also means that 2/3 of black men are not criminals.

    Middle class blacks, who are a significant percentage and make fine neighbors, are the biggest victims of black violence. Just look at Ferguson, so many hard working blacks have lost everything. I'd be a lot more supportive, though, if middle class blacks held more conservative political positions, particularly about criminal justice and law enforcement.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @The most deplorable one, @E. Rekshun

    That means that living near significant numbers of blacks is extremely dangerous. It also means that 2/3 of black men are not criminals.

    That many? I thought maybe 10% of blacks were criminals.

    At the percentage you suggest there are likely more black criminals in America than white and Jewish criminals combined.

  172. @RonaldB
    @Hosswire

    Haha.

    Here is windbag O'Reilly's proof that the black shootings in Chicago prove white racism.
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/4893031064001/bloody-chicago-and-racism-on-display/?#sp=show-clips

    Replies: @bomag

    Bleh. “Racism” seems to be the only vocabulary word O’Reilly has to discuss this issue.

  173. @Jefferson
    @TheJester

    "Headline: 5 DEAD, 40 WOUNDED IN CHICAGO WEEKEND SHOOTINGS

    Where is Black Lives Matter WHEN you need them? Where is the call for “trigger warnings” (no pun intended) and “safe spaces” WHERE you need them?”

    None of the 40 wounded and 5 dead were shot by White people, so Black Lies Matter do not care.

    You are not going to see any hashtags from Black Twitter like “Say Their Names” regarding victims of Black on Black murder.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    You are not going to see any hashtags from Black Twitter like “Say Their Names” regarding victims of Black on Black murder.

    Saying the names of victims of black-on-black murder would be like one of those marathon readings of James Joyce’s Ulysses.

  174. @Buffalo Joe
    A few years ago, Buffalo had the "City Grill Massacre" where an unwanted guest, Riccardo McCrea returned to an anniversary party and opened fire with a large caliber handgun. Four were killed and four grievously wounded, including one who will live out his life in a vegative state. McCrea actually "executed" two of his victims, one a wounded male who he held down with his foot while he finished him off and a young women, who he shot, point blank in the neck, while she cowered in a doorway. Last year a Buffalo man celebrated his 29th birthday with a party that attracted at least 100 "guests." The party ended when an uninvited guest opened fire on the crowd. The birthday boy lost his life and left behind, if my memory serves me right, six or seven daughters, with nary a former, ex or otherwise wife in sight. He did, however, leave behind a grieving "fiancée". There is a thread that runs through both stories, seven of the eight City Grille victims and the deceased birthday boy all had prior criminal records. McCrea also had priors. So, not only is it black on black, but mostly black criminal on black criminal. One other point, a middle aged Chicago city employee was shot and killed last week while she was exiting a Starbucks within walking distance of Police HQ. Don't know if there was any message about "race" on her coffee cup but she was described as an unintended victim, also frequently described as being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and yes she was black.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Boomstick

    Yep. Bitches . . . ho’s . . . and “fiancées.”

  175. @V Vega

    Newspaper articles used to cover violence among blacks with a certain sardonic amusement.
     
    I always say, if you're interested in an era of history, try to find first person accounts of people who were there. Often they will provide insight that won't be supplied by historians, particularly if some of the events differ from commonly accepted precepts. Better than news articles are personal diaries, and the like.

    In any case, there's a wealth of first-person slave narratives available at the library of congress website. I spent a few hours perusing them, and it wasn't what I had expected. I assumed it would be a lot of horror stories about black slave life, and while there were some, there were many stories of Blacks who were fairly content with the lifestyle. It seemed the culture from one plantation to the next could vary wildly. Some were shitholes to be sure, some were got great, but not bad, and some were run like a commune, with slaves voting for whatever issues were important to them, and basically running the show as far as their work days were concerned, and how day-to-day problems were solved, with the plantation owner very light-handed, when he was around at all. The slaves who had it going well were particularly upset when they were freed. They knew even if they ran their own farms, life was going to be a lot harder.

    I had the same surprise regarding lynchings. I didn't come close to reading all the narratives, but many that I did read, the lynchings were done after some major hell had broken loose, rather than a black guy whistling at a white girl. From what I could tell, you had to work hard to qualify for a lynching. You had to pull some major crazy, and get caught in the act, or have a ton of circumstantial evidence working against you.

    One story I recall was a few years after the civil war. One segregated community seemed to be doing all right. Blacks and whites got along well, cooperated with one another. No major problems. One night, a house caught on fire, killing a woman and her two children. It was determined that the woman's husband, who wanted a divorce because he'd found a new girl, became livid when his wife wouldn't grant him one, so set his house on fire at 1 AM, and ran off, killing his entire family. Since the house was on fire, and he was gone, as well as the other circumstances that were known, it was determined the husband was the culprit. This enraged the white folks, as well as the black folks. The white folks organized a search party, and they caught the black guy hiding in some nearby woods, who readily admitted that he'd set the fire. He was strung up that night, by white folks, with blacks looking on, to the applause of whites and blacks alike. Everyone agreed justice was served.

    I thought to myself, "now that's a story we're not going to see in a Quentin Tarantino move."

    Anyway, I urge anyone who wants to know just what black people who don't know much about their own history are complaining about, to check out the slave narratives at the library of congress website. I think you might come up with different conclusions than what historians would have you believe.

    That is, our american history is not all "black and white."

    Sure a lot of it was shitty, but unless you were rich, most of american life back then was a slow-motion crash for everyone, regardless of race. There weren't a lot of happy endings. I wouldn't have wanted to live in that era. When you delve in to people's diaries who lived in that era, it reads like Gothic Noir. Humorless, passionate, dark, and crazy. Not many clear heads anywhere.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @res, @Buffalo Joe

    Keller, A good read on this subject is “Bullwhip Days”, stories by former slaves , an oral history edited by James Mellon. Hard to put down.

    • Replies: @V Vega
    @Buffalo Joe


    Keller, A good read on this subject is “Bullwhip Days”, stories by former slaves , an oral history edited by James Mellon. Hard to put down.
     
    Thank you. I will definitely check it out.
    , @res
    @Buffalo Joe

    Buffalo Joe, can you give any sense of the editorial tilt of “Bullwhip Days”? With that many narratives (the book is sourced from the WPA records Keller mentioned) it is easy to pick and choose to promote an agenda. The reviews on Amazon make me think it is fairly balanced, but PC is so pervasive (even in 1988 when the book was written) that I wonder.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Buffalo Joe

  176. @Corvinus
    @Ed

    "This isn’t about drugs or gangs but the inability of blacks to control themselves. Here’s an example I experience last night."

    Exactly! Every single, or at least most every, black person in the United States acts this way. I mean, few if any act in any civilized fashion. They are all big, nasty, and mean.

    "The underclass blacks really do need a firm hand guiding their every move. They aren’t fit for modern society."

    Definitely! They need someone like yourself under their wing. After all, you were able to teach a thing or two about Western Civilization for those underclass whites and Hispanics, right? You are just the jabroni, I mean man, for the job.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Anonymous

    Corvinus, You wait, lurking, looking for the comment that makes you pounce. So, think on this, black children go to bed hungry because their parents don’t feed them, not because my grandchildren have food. They are in many cases poorly dressed and dirty, not because my children hoard food for their kids, but because their parents don’t care. They do poorly in school, not because my children read and study with my grandchildren, but because their parents don’t. They do need guidance, and it shows. Maybe you’re the jabroni to do it….and I have no idea what jabroni means. Have a nice day anyways.

  177. @anonitron1
    Attributing black gun violence to early 90's "gangsta" rap is fundamentally wrongheaded, for a couple of reasons:

    1. "Gangsta" rap doesn't happen in a vaccuum. It's an aesthetic incarnation of a thing that's happening previous to its pop-cultural incarnation (i.e., Biggie isn't putting something in a song because it happened in another song he heard, it's par for the course in an already extant cultural environment).

    2. Black youth in 2016 ain't listening to '90's shit. Popular rap today is in a much different state than it was in the '90's and even the early 2000's (which is peak moron in the history of hip hop (though it produced some really enjoyable, although admittedly retarded, music)). There's a Chicago rap scene that's broadly representative of the violent environs of the city but popular rap (read: rap that young black people actually listen to) is more in line with Drake/Kanye abstraction than Wu-Tang or Geto Boys street violence.

    Replies: @V Vega, @Lot, @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever..., @Yak-15, @Forbes, @Bill Jones

    I was happy to note that no reference to people made here informed me in the slightest.

  178. @SnakeEyes
    This article describes every single episode of The First 48.

    Replies: @anon, @anon

    An excellent show. Actually I am surprised it hasn’t been forced off the air as it makes it so clear what blacks and their crime-rates are really like.

  179. @Jefferson
    @Evocatus

    "Harlem has become both increasingly gentrified and increasingly Hispanic, due to the Dominicans moving in from Washington Heights."

    So the presence of Dominicans makes a place less Black? Do most Dominicans look like Ted Cruz?

    Replies: @keypusher, @Evocatus, @V Vega

    So the presence of Dominicans makes a place less Black? Do most Dominicans look like Ted Cruz?

    Most Dominicans despise blacks, and have effectively cleansed them from the majority of west Harlem, making it far safer for whites as a consequence.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @V Vega

    "Most Dominicans despise blacks,"

    Than why do so many Dominicans in New York City and New Jersey mix with African Americans at an extremely high rate?

    Most Dominicans in the Tri-state area have at least one family member who is half African American.

    Dominicans in the Tri-state area don't mix a lot with White people.

    Dominicans in the Tri-state area assimilate into the African American underclass.

    A lot of Black rappers from New York City are either fully Dominican or half Dominican.

    Most Dominicans in New York City feel more comfortable hanging out with ghetto African Americans than they do hanging out with blue collar Italians, Russians, Ukrainians, and Irish.

    , @Brutusale
    @V Vega

    I would hazard a guess that America's most famous Dominican, David "Big Papi" Ortiz, is fairly representative of Dominican melanin levels.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/3748/david-ortiz

    Replies: @Jack D

  180. @anon
    @Whiskey


    There is literally nothing to be done about Black on Black murders. Nothing.
     
    Sure there is.

    There's a "killer" type, almost certainly largely genetic, and they're maybe 1-2% among white people and something like 4-8% among black people.

    (I'd also guess the white percentage is more often packaged with extreme self control as that's how those men's ancestors avoided getting hanged in the past.)

    Reduce that percentage down to 1-2% and the black homicide rate would be a lot lower.

    (It wouldn't necessarily fix any IQ, time preference, impulsiveness etc elements but it would get it down closer to the white left-side average.)

    Replies: @anon

    “reduce that percentage..”

    OKAY. HOW????

    • Replies: @anon
    @anon

    You start by admitting there's a genetic component to the problem - privately if necessary - and engineer a eugenic criminal justice system

    rather then the current one which is based on blank slate thinking.

    #

    In particular the first step is to recognize allowing a gang culture to exist means the 10% most violent men are fathering > 10% of the babies and making it worse.

    Basically think of it terms of dog breeding - if you wanted less aggressive dogs what would you do?

    You'd try and make sure less violent males had the competitive advantage not the most violent.

    Replies: @anon, @anonymous-antimarxist, @anon, @LKM

  181. @Boomstick
    @Corvinus

    "One in every three black males born today can expect to go to prison at some point in their life, compared with one in every six Latino males, and one in every 17 white males, if current incarceration trends continue."

    Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur, @anon

    “..if current incarceration RATES CONTINUE.”

    Shouldn’t that be if current crime RATES CONTINUE. As incarceration is simply the by-product of criminal actions.

  182. @Dr. X
    I have been involved in competitive shooting for 20 years, and shot in national events for the last twelve. Among the thousands and thousands of shooters I have encountered over that period of time, I can literally count the number of blacks on one hand.

    Competitive shooting is, above all else, a game of extreme, Zen-like mental focus. It requires a significant attention to detail in terms of equipment and environmental conditions. I would liken the attitude of the competitive shooter to that of a professional pilot -- all business, which includes a positively anal emphasis on safety.

    Blacks do not generally possess these traits. Consequently, the competitive shooting community is 99.9+ percent white. I believe that blacks are genetically hard-wired to have less impulse control than whites, and that this attribute explains black success in pursuits that require spontaneous behavior, like basketball and bebop jazz, but it also explains a LOT of senseless black criminality and the ease with which blacks routinely just grab a gun and shoot wildly after the slightest provocation.

    Competitive shooters, many of whom have fired hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammunition, would never do anything like that.

    The problem with impulsive black shootings is that they are being used politically to justify infringements on the freedoms of millions of sober, responsible, self-sufficient whites. Perhaps the Founders were right -- all of them believed that blacks were incapable of functioning in a free society, and that blacks would be better off if they were emancipated and then repatriated to Africa.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Rifleman, @dr kill, @Twinkie

    Consequently, the competitive shooting community is 99.9+ percent white.

    Your number is a bit off. One of the greatest American female competitive shooter is Vera Koo, of Chinese ancestry, who won the Bianchi Cup record 8 times. She’s probably the greatest female competitive action shooter ever. Among the younger set, there are shooters such as Tori Nonaka of Team Glock and Chris Cheng, a former Googler, who won Top Shot season 4. There are quite a few Asian-Americans in the shooting sports, far in excess of 0.1%. Along with whites, Asians punch above their weight in shooting sports.

    And that’s just the domestic scene. Internationally, East Asians dominate several shooting sports, including Olympic pistol shooting. Here are the nationalities of mens pistol shooting medalists in the last three Olympics:

    2004 Athens Gold: Russia; Silver: South Korea; Bronze: North Korea
    2008 Beijing Gold: South Korea; Silver: China; Bronze: Russia
    2012 London Gold: South Korea; Silver: South Korea; Bronze: China

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Twinkie

    I've taken shooting classes in which there was an Asian participating, but never one that included a black. One of the instructors at the Gunsite Academy is Il Ling New, the only non-white, non-male among them.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Former Darfur
    @Twinkie

    The Japanese would probably be pretty good, too, except that gun control laws are so extreme in Japan even Olympic shooters have to do their shooting elsewhere, at least for pistol.

    , @Dr. X
    @Twinkie


    There are quite a few Asian-Americans in the shooting sports, far in excess of 0.1%.
     
    Correct... my post indicated that I could count the number of blacks in the shooting sports on one hand, not Asians.
  183. @Rifleman
    @Dr. X

    Competitive shooting is, above all else, a game of extreme, Zen-like mental focus. It requires a significant attention to detail in terms of equipment and environmental conditions. I would liken the attitude of the competitive shooter to that of a professional pilot...

    Which leads to the question of rates of OCD and autism among blacks.

    Maybe the lower rates of nerdiness, OCD and autism among blacks is a reason for their general lack of interest in an activity such as competitive shooting.

    Guys standing around shooting precisely at stationary targets with no outcome other than comparing relative precision with other dudes is never going to motivate black or sub saharan males.

    It's a wonder the activity isn't more Asian.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun, @Twinkie

    Guys standing around shooting precisely at stationary targets with no outcome other than comparing relative precision with other dudes is never going to motivate black or sub saharan males.

    It’s a wonder the activity isn’t more Asian.

    Er, Asians ARE heavily represented in the shooting sports. Please see my response to “Dr. X” above. South Koreans dominate Olympic pistol shooting, for example.

    As you can see with this old footage of their police shooting training, they are into precision:

  184. @Buffalo Joe
    A few years ago, Buffalo had the "City Grill Massacre" where an unwanted guest, Riccardo McCrea returned to an anniversary party and opened fire with a large caliber handgun. Four were killed and four grievously wounded, including one who will live out his life in a vegative state. McCrea actually "executed" two of his victims, one a wounded male who he held down with his foot while he finished him off and a young women, who he shot, point blank in the neck, while she cowered in a doorway. Last year a Buffalo man celebrated his 29th birthday with a party that attracted at least 100 "guests." The party ended when an uninvited guest opened fire on the crowd. The birthday boy lost his life and left behind, if my memory serves me right, six or seven daughters, with nary a former, ex or otherwise wife in sight. He did, however, leave behind a grieving "fiancée". There is a thread that runs through both stories, seven of the eight City Grille victims and the deceased birthday boy all had prior criminal records. McCrea also had priors. So, not only is it black on black, but mostly black criminal on black criminal. One other point, a middle aged Chicago city employee was shot and killed last week while she was exiting a Starbucks within walking distance of Police HQ. Don't know if there was any message about "race" on her coffee cup but she was described as an unintended victim, also frequently described as being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and yes she was black.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Boomstick

    That’s pretty typical in large cities. In Milwaukee about 85% of the shooting victims had priors:

    “In non-fatal shootings in 2011, 97 percent of the 177 suspects and 86 percent of the 473 victims had at least one prior arrest. The report doesn’t say how many.

    However, O’Brien said a closer analysis of non-fatal shootings during a six-week period in July and August 2011, when non-fatal shootings increased, found that suspects had an average of 7.5 prior arrests and victims had an average of about six. O’Brien said that based on her past studies, she would expect that the rest of the suspects and victims in the non-fatal shootings in 2011 had a similar number of prior arrests.”

    (From Politifact, which goes on to do its usual shucking and jiving.)

  185. @res
    @Corvinus

    If you'd like to check for yourself the 500+ page book is available on Project Gutenberg:
    https://archive.org/details/philadelphianegr001901mbp
    The epub supports text search (with some spotty OCR), but the PDF is more nicely formatted (no OCR).

    Some samples:


    The Negro, however, has two especial difficulties : his training as a slave and freedman has not been such as make the average of the race as efficient and reliable workmen as the average native Amer ican or as many foreign immigrants. The Negro is, as a rule, willing, honest and good-natured ; but he is also, as a rule, careless, unreliable and unsteady. This is without doubt to be expected in a people who for generations have been trained to shirk work
     

    Little special mention of Negro crime is again met with until the freedmen under the act of 1780 began to congre gate in the city and other free immigrants joined them. In 1809 the leading colored churches united in a society to suppress crime and were cordially endorsed by the public for this action. After the war immigration to the city increased and the stress of hard times bore heavily on the lower classes. Complaints of petty thefts and murderous assaults on peaceable citizens now began to increase, and in numbers of cases they were traced to Negroes. The better class of colored citizens felt the accusation and held a meeting to denounce crime and take a firm stand against their own criminal class. A little later the Negro riots commenced, and they received their chief moral support from the increasing crime of Negroes
     
    Dubois discusses differences between different groups of Negroes (e.g. immigration time/source) a fair bit.

    I did not see an explicit statement comparing black to white immigrant criminality as in the original comment, but it seems in line with the portion of the 500+ page book I checked (except for the use of the word innate, see quote following). There is statistical information included, but it's not really legible in the epub. Perhaps you could take a look, Corvinus, and see what you find.

    It's worth noting that the 1967 introduction states:

    The hereditarian or racial as against the environmental or cultural approaches to .the causes of the differences between Negroes and whites, both in America and in other parts of the world, divide men to this day. Perhaps the ultimate truth lies in a "both/and" rather than an "either/or" approach. Nevertheless— and especially in an age such as our own which tends to assume, often dogmatically, the greater importance of environment and culture—one must look back on The Philadelphia Negro as a pioneering attempt to objectively advance this modern approach in an era when most men deeply and sincerely felt that fixed hereditary aptitudes differentiated the races of men and con sequently precluded any possibility of eventual integration on a plane of social, cultural, and political equality, Thus, in answer to his hereditarian opponents such as the reviewer in the American Historical Review, DuBois fell back on his own broad historical perspective by reminding his readers in the closing pages how many once-held hereditarian dogmas had already been eroded by the passage of time and the changing social situation:

    We rather hasten to forget that once the courtiers of English kings looked upon the ancestors of most Americans with far greater contempt than these Americans look upon Negroes— and perhaps, indeed, had more cause. We forget that once French peasants were the "Niggers" of France, and that German princelings once discussed with doubt the brains and humanity of the bauer (p. 386).
     
    Seems to me that would be crimethink today in even admitting heredity might matter.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “The Negro, however, has two especial difficulties : his training as a slave and freedman has not been such as make the average of the race as efficient and reliable workmen as the average native American or as many foreign immigrants. The Negro is, as a rule, willing, honest and good-natured ; but he is also, as a rule, careless, unreliable and unsteady. This is without doubt to be expected in a people who for generations have been trained to shirk work.”

    Note that Du Bois specified how and why Negroes lacked, in essence, personal ambition—they were trained by whites NOT to work and think for themselves. They were a product of their environment, one that Du Bois believed required a “talented tenth” to properly “train” his brethren.

    “Complaints of petty thefts and murderous assaults on peaceable citizens now began to increase, and in numbers of cases they were traced to Negroes.”

    Which is NOT surprising given their condition—free Negroes in the North were generally to be seen and not heard, and SOME turned to a life of crime due to a lack of employment and educational opportunities afforded by the white community.

    “one must look back on The Philadelphia Negro as a pioneering attempt to objectively advance this modern approach in an era when most men deeply and sincerely felt that fixed hereditary aptitudes differentiated the races of men and con sequently precluded any possibility of eventual integration on a plane of social, cultural, and political equality”

    This statement is in reference to the free Negroes who constructed churches and formed societies to improve their lot in life in an effort to prove to whites that they also had the intelligence and work ethic to be self-sufficient. That, despite white insistence at that time that Negroes were inherently barbaric and uncivilized, free Negroes could respond to this accusation and offer evidence to the contrary.

  186. @Jefferson
    @Judah Benjamin Hur

    "Middle class blacks, who are a significant percentage and make fine neighbors, are the biggest victims of black violence. Just look at Ferguson, so many hard working blacks have lost everything. I’d be a lot more supportive, though, if middle class blacks held more conservative political positions, particularly about criminal justice and law enforcement."

    Most middle class Blacks have at least 1 thug underclass Black cousin for example. The reason most of them have Left Wing liberal views on crime is because they don't want to see their cousin go to prison.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Most middle class Blacks have at least 1 thug underclass Black cousin for example.”

    And most middle class Whites have at least 1 thug underclass White cousin as well. Your point?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Corvinus


    And most middle class Whites have at least 1 thug underclass White cousin as well. Your point?
     
    Um, no.
    , @V Vega
    @Corvinus

    "And most middle class Whites have at least 1 thug underclass White cousin as well. Your point?"

    Middle Class white with large family here. No thugs. The idea of prison is out of the question for us. None of my friends family members are thugs. Not even close. Are you black? If so, maybe you need more white middle class friends. You seem delusional.

    Hint: it's kind of difficult to maintain a middle class lifestyle when you have family thugs bandying about.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Triumph104

    , @anon
    @Corvinus

    You are quite mistaken in your false comparison. So his point stands.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Corvinus

    "And most middle class Whites have at least 1 thug underclass White cousin as well. Your point?"

    A ridiculous and stupid assertion - what we have come to expect from you.

  187. @Svigor
    Whoever said above that it's not just IQ, it's also aggression, is correct. But it's not just IQ and aggression, it's time horizons, or impulsiveness, if you prefer; at maximum impulsiveness, whatever mood has taken you, it's all that matters. There is no future, only the now.

    since most of these guns are illegal already (in big cities like Philadelphia you need a carry permit which is rarely issued) changing the law would do nothing to actually reduce the # of guns.
     
    But changing law enforcement probably would. Stop, frisk, confiscate. Even middle class people would have a hard time affording concealed carry if they routinely had to replace confiscated weapons.

    “They are products of bad education policy, where our young people are used as products, versus being educated. They are products of the fact that you are dealing with a city with high poverty numbers, so to relate these young people as terrorists is wrong.”
     
    Funny, the reverend is going to great pains to contrast his charges with terrorists, but the explanations for their behavior sound exactly the same as the ones the media always gives to explain terrorism.

    As for the assertion that people just need to interact with each other more to break down barriers, apparently the author has never heard the phrase “familiarity breeds contempt.”
     
    Yeah. From the hit piece:

    She points out, as the study demonstrates, "being smart doesn't mean you can't be racist if you are never around others who are different."
     
    I'm smart, racist, and grew up in a black neighborhood. Is someone's head exploding, somewhere?

    Off-topic, but this new NBER paper may interest Steve and his readers:
     
    My guess: a combination of genetic reversion to the mean, and leaving the Tiger Motherland. The former will be ignored.

    Yes, yes, yes, we are all fully aware of the standard human biodiversity arguments.

    Now, how many black males commit felonies each year?
     
    Relative to other races? A lot. This is the math people really care about. I mean, if only 1 in 100 encounters with little green men results in a human getting punched in the face, that's easily enough for little green men to earn a bad reputation.

    1 in 100 doesn't sound like a lot, until you attach something bad enough. Say, getting punched in the face, or Bob getting 1 out of every 100 dollars you take home after taxes.

    "Math is hard," lol. Is that why you didn't do any?

    This is without doubt to be expected in a people who for generations have been trained to shirk work
     
    Another way to look at it is that slavery might be the most efficient way to get blacks to work. Given the intra-black history of slavery, blacks might just agree.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Jack D, @Corvinus

    “Relative to other races? A lot. This is the math people really care about. I mean, if only 1 in 100
    encounters with little green men results in a human getting punched in the face, that’s easily enough for little green men to earn a bad reputation.”

    No, it is not “easily enough”.

    Speaking of numbers, in 2014, the US Census Bureau estimated 45,672,250 African Americans in the United States out of 318.9 million Americans. Out of this percentage, only 4.7 percent of all adult black males are incarcerated. One million out of 2.4 million incarcerated are black, with 6% of all black males ages 30 to 39 were in prison.

    One could take these numbers to mean that MOST blacks are NOT criminals.

    • Replies: @Boomstick
    @Corvinus

    Currently incarcerated. How many are on parole? How many are ex-cons now past their parole period? Also, multiply all those numbers by 2X for black males.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Hippopotamusdrome

    , @Kylie
    @Corvinus

    "Speaking of numbers, in 2014, the US Census Bureau estimated 45,672,250 African Americans in the United States out of 318.9 million Americans. Out of this percentage, only 4.7 percent of all adult black males are incarcerated. One million out of 2.4 million incarcerated are black, with 6% of all black males ages 30 to 39 were in prison.

    One could take these numbers to mean that MOST blacks are NOT criminals."

    Yes, one could--if one were a disingenuous apologist for blacks which is what you are (among other things).

    But anyone with a modicum of intellectual honesty would take those numbers to mean that most blacks have not been convicted of crimes that result in incarceration. There are several possible reasons for this, only one of which has to do with how law-abiding most blacks are.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  188. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Salger

    "Did you point out all the nations with higher homicides per capita than America that don’t have more guns?"


    You mean all the nations in Africa?(as well as some in South Africa). Blogger Paul Kersey has already done that research.

    Replies: @Salger, @Gringo

    “Did you point out all the nations with higher homicides per capita than America that don’t have more guns?”

    The US murder rate of 3.8/100,000 currently ranks 114th out of 218 countries. It ranks 1st in the world in gun ownership. Right there you know there is a weak argument for claiming that a high gun ownership rate goes hand-in-hand with a high murder rate. The correlation for murder rate and gun ownership for 174 countries is -0.1339, which is a weak negative correlation. Those with more knowledge of statistics may correct me, but my conclusion is that there is basically no correlation between gun ownership and murder rate worldwide. If anything, there is a weak tendency for the more guns, the less murder.

    If there were a strong correlation between gun ownership and murder, the correlation would be +0.5 or higher. Instead, it is -0.1339. Perhaps stats people could inform us where the break-off point would be.

    The standard response of the anti-gun people is that “We are talking about CIVILIZED countries.” [Well that is not precisely the term they use, but that is what they mean.] They mean Western Europe. If you include 39 countries of Europe- not just Western Europe, you get a correlation of -.31912, which is a somewhat high negative correlation: the more guns, the less murder. In any event, anyone who claims that Europe is the poster child for less guns, less murder is a deliberate liar or an ignorant fool.

    A number of countries in Europe have relatively high gun ownership rates of ~30/100, but low murder rates of less than 1.6/100,000: Serbia, Switzerland, Norway, France, Germany, Sweden, Austria, and Germany. Russia has a low gun ownership rate of 9/100 but a murder rate of 8.9.100,000, more than twice that of the US.

    I don’t like guns, courtesy of a childhood friend losing his life in a gun accident with his brother, but I don’t like the mendacity of the anti-gun people, either.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

  189. @psmith
    @27 year old


    Police officials say they suspect that as many as half of the 24 victims were not the intended targets; community workers blame self-taught gunmen who are often high on drugs or were drunk. “They are not marksmen,” said Aaron Pullins, an anti-violence worker. “They don’t know how to hold the gun. They just shoot.”
     
    End the carnage! Teach marksmanship!

    (but I think Dr. X is on to something too.).

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    They clearly need to join the NRA and educate themselves.

  190. LKM says:
    @Arclight
    Normally I tend to blow off suggestions that mass media (music, movies,video games) amplifies violence but I have a hard time doing that now, particularly with rap music. Despite the left's attempts to portray most of this genre as subtle and brilliant art, a huge percentage of it revolves around crude boasts about money, drugs/drinking, promiscuity, and violence.

    It appears to me that lots of young black men and boys essentially model their behavior after the archetypical character in a rap song. In fact, it's common too see some young black guy with headphones on walking down the street or standing at the bus stop rapping along with his favorite song complete with the gestures and expressions of the rapper in the music video, as if he's trying to be that character. I don't see white hipsters doing that while listening to the latest Wilco or even high schoolers play-acting to the soundtrack of teen pop music.

    Obviously, the way people dress or act can be a reflection of their cultural influences of the moment, and I just as often silently laugh at the white kids who spend hours cultivating a look that is supposed to look careless, but guys with greasy hair, beards, and retro clothing or messenger bags style aren't going to get wound up about some perceived slight and start shooting at a party or bar. In contrast, those that consciously mimic rap culture very well might.

    Replies: @Josh, @fnn, @Dave Pinsen, @E. Rekshun, @LKM

    a huge percentage of it revolves around crude boasts about money, drugs/drinking, promiscuity, and violence

    Yeah but a lot of black music has always had those characteristics, going all the way back to the early 20th century if not further. It’s just that nobody paid attention to them until rap started getting consumed by suburban white kids. The oft-sung story of Stagger Lee and is just the 19th-century version of black kids killing each other over disrespect and Air Jordan’s.

    The most plausible explanatiopn for all this is that groups who lead these sorts of lifestyles like to hear songs about them. The Irish and Scots-Irish also have predilections for drinking and murder ballads.

  191. @Twinkie
    @Dr. X


    Consequently, the competitive shooting community is 99.9+ percent white.
     
    Your number is a bit off. One of the greatest American female competitive shooter is Vera Koo, of Chinese ancestry, who won the Bianchi Cup record 8 times. She's probably the greatest female competitive action shooter ever. Among the younger set, there are shooters such as Tori Nonaka of Team Glock and Chris Cheng, a former Googler, who won Top Shot season 4. There are quite a few Asian-Americans in the shooting sports, far in excess of 0.1%. Along with whites, Asians punch above their weight in shooting sports.

    And that's just the domestic scene. Internationally, East Asians dominate several shooting sports, including Olympic pistol shooting. Here are the nationalities of mens pistol shooting medalists in the last three Olympics:

    2004 Athens Gold: Russia; Silver: South Korea; Bronze: North Korea
    2008 Beijing Gold: South Korea; Silver: China; Bronze: Russia
    2012 London Gold: South Korea; Silver: South Korea; Bronze: China

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Former Darfur, @Dr. X

    I’ve taken shooting classes in which there was an Asian participating, but never one that included a black. One of the instructors at the Gunsite Academy is Il Ling New, the only non-white, non-male among them.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Harry Baldwin

    While East Asians win many of the international medals, I should also credit Filipinos in America with large, active participation in shooting sports.

  192. @Corvinus
    @Jefferson

    "Most middle class Blacks have at least 1 thug underclass Black cousin for example."

    And most middle class Whites have at least 1 thug underclass White cousin as well. Your point?

    Replies: @Twinkie, @V Vega, @anon, @Mr. Anon

    And most middle class Whites have at least 1 thug underclass White cousin as well. Your point?

    Um, no.

  193. @Harry Baldwin
    @Twinkie

    I've taken shooting classes in which there was an Asian participating, but never one that included a black. One of the instructors at the Gunsite Academy is Il Ling New, the only non-white, non-male among them.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    While East Asians win many of the international medals, I should also credit Filipinos in America with large, active participation in shooting sports.

  194. @Whoever
    @Erik Sieven


    Also it would be interesting whether in the last decades (after WW II) one single western women has been sexually assaulted in Korea, Japan or China.
     
    There has been at least one. Read People Who Eat Darkness by Richard Lloyd Parry. It's the story of "Lucie Blackman—tall, blond, twenty-one years old—[who] stepped out into the vastness of Tokyo in the summer of 2000, and disappeared forever. The following winter, her dismembered remains were found buried in a seaside cave."

    Replies: @Twinkie

    There has been at least one.

    It’s like discussing white-on-black rape. One thinks, “surely there must be some.” And then once looking at the data, one realizes quickly that they are so few as to be statistically insignificant.

    I suspect there are more rapes in South Korea than in Japan, because Korean men consume more alcohol per capita and because Koreans are a bit more violent than the Japanese (higher murder rate, 0.8 per 100,000 versus 0.3). But, of course, both rates pale in comparison to both the U.S. (3.8) and Mexico (18.9).

    On the other hand, a teenage girl is probably more likely to be molested by grown men in Japan than in South Korea, judging from the young school girl fetish that seems to be in vogue in Japan.

    In any case, the likelihood of rape is exceedingly low in East Asia. Any ranting about “rape culture” is just silly. I would suggest the author of that screed above to try India or Mexico next time.

  195. @Thea
    @Sailer has an interesting life

    I've imagined, once or twice, that the destruction of west is a Japanese plot. They sit quietly working on their archipelago. Just waiting till we exhaust ourselves with this infighting.



    Well, it would certainly make for a good novel topic any way.

    Replies: @Sailer has an interesting life

    I take your point, but due to extreme Japanese ‘inversion’ we aren’t seeing that *they* had to deal with after the loss of WW2. They seem to have lost a lot of their masculinity after the war. People who study Japan as a serious topic (ie not those who love GLORIOUS NIPPON and anime) believe that this masculinity lies underneath the surface, ready to arise when their country is threatened. Look for a rise in nationalism when China starts sabre-rattling to cover their floundering economy.

    As you said, a good topic for a novel. 🙂

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Sailer has an interesting life

    "People who study Japan as a serious topic (ie not those who love GLORIOUS NIPPON and anime)......"

    So - not you - as you evidently have not studied anything seriously, nor are you a serious person. Anime fan sounds about right for a simpering nitwit like you.

  196. @Twinkie
    @Dr. X


    Consequently, the competitive shooting community is 99.9+ percent white.
     
    Your number is a bit off. One of the greatest American female competitive shooter is Vera Koo, of Chinese ancestry, who won the Bianchi Cup record 8 times. She's probably the greatest female competitive action shooter ever. Among the younger set, there are shooters such as Tori Nonaka of Team Glock and Chris Cheng, a former Googler, who won Top Shot season 4. There are quite a few Asian-Americans in the shooting sports, far in excess of 0.1%. Along with whites, Asians punch above their weight in shooting sports.

    And that's just the domestic scene. Internationally, East Asians dominate several shooting sports, including Olympic pistol shooting. Here are the nationalities of mens pistol shooting medalists in the last three Olympics:

    2004 Athens Gold: Russia; Silver: South Korea; Bronze: North Korea
    2008 Beijing Gold: South Korea; Silver: China; Bronze: Russia
    2012 London Gold: South Korea; Silver: South Korea; Bronze: China

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Former Darfur, @Dr. X

    The Japanese would probably be pretty good, too, except that gun control laws are so extreme in Japan even Olympic shooters have to do their shooting elsewhere, at least for pistol.

  197. @David In TN
    @Sailer has an interesting life

    Recently I found on the internet an interview of James Jones, author of From Here to Eternity and The Thin Red Line. Jones said something like "The Japanese peasant soldiers whom we fought were just out of the middle ages. They were very brutal men."

    Replies: @Jack D, @Sailer has an interesting life

    There was a blog by someone who reads iSteve regularly, (http://assistantvillageidiot.blogspot.com/) that had the title as follows”30 Years On, I think that “Postliberal” sums it up best”.

    This is pretty much my point of view at this time. It’s really quite depressing how what was considered ‘historically accurate’ in the past, holds true in the present.

    “Those crazy Japanese like to put severed heads on top of poles”.

    There is no way that could be true. It must be like those games of telephone where the details get lost in passing.

    “Out of habit, most people remained law-abiding. But with the bosses gone, the bolder ones seized the opportunity to loot godowns, department stores and shops belonging to British companies for what they saw as legitimate booty. This lasted for several days before the Japanese restored order; they put the fear of God into people by shooting or beheading a few looters at random and exhibiting their heads on key bridges and at main road junctions.”

    …Nevermind.

    It’s also terrifying that was considered common knowledge of ‘racial traits’ turned out to be true. Large error bars. But true none the less.

  198. @Corvinus
    @Svigor

    "Relative to other races? A lot. This is the math people really care about. I mean, if only 1 in 100
    encounters with little green men results in a human getting punched in the face, that’s easily enough for little green men to earn a bad reputation."

    No, it is not "easily enough".

    Speaking of numbers, in 2014, the US Census Bureau estimated 45,672,250 African Americans in the United States out of 318.9 million Americans. Out of this percentage, only 4.7 percent of all adult black males are incarcerated. One million out of 2.4 million incarcerated are black, with 6% of all black males ages 30 to 39 were in prison.

    One could take these numbers to mean that MOST blacks are NOT criminals.

    Replies: @Boomstick, @Kylie

    Currently incarcerated. How many are on parole? How many are ex-cons now past their parole period? Also, multiply all those numbers by 2X for black males.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Boomstick

    "How many are on parole? How many are ex-cons now past their parole period?"

    Just because a person is on parole does not mean they will reoffend, although the likelihood is greater.

    Now, remember, if we are taking into account parolees, and then they get arrested again, we are dealing with repeat offenders, NOT new offenders. Which would still mean that the supermajority of blacks are NOT engaging in criminal activity.

    "Also, multiply all those numbers by 2X for black males."

    How do you figure?

    Replies: @Boomstick

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Boomstick



    1 In 3 Black Males Will Go To Prison In Their Lifetime, Report Warns
    ...
    One in every three black males born today can expect to go to prison at some point in their life, compared with one in every six Latino males, and one in every 17 white males, if current incarceration trends continue.

     

    Don't forget the ones that never got caught.
  199. @keypusher
    @Jefferson

    No, but for the most part they don't look like Joe Frazier either.

    Plus whites have been moving to Washington Heights for a couple of decades now. The whites prefer to call their part of the area (west of Broadway) "Hudson Heights."

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “No, but for the most part they don’t look like Joe Frazier either.”

    Dominicans for the most part look closer to Joe Frazier in phenotype than they do to Steve Sailer.

    Even George Zimmerman looks Whiter than most Dominicans. Your average Dominican looks like Eric Holder and Gus Fring from Breaking Bad.

    If most Dominicans in The U.S lived in the South during Jim Crow, most of them would not be allowed to eat at Whites only restaurants and shop at Whites only stores.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Jefferson

    Perhaps, but Dominicans are a laid-back people, with nowhere the same level of sheer agressivity as African-Americans. In fact, the Dominican Republic is arguably the nicest and safest country to visit in the Caribbean.

    , @keypusher
    @Jefferson

    Dude, I lived in Santo Domingo for two years and I live in Washington Heights now. I don't need instruction on Dominican physiognomy.

    It varies.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Jefferson

  200. @Mr. Anon
    @Sailer has an interesting life

    "Off topic. Let me call Mr. Anon stupid on a regular basis. Please? I know you hate human doo doo heads as much as I do. And it is such fun to tease him and see if he lacks the self control to response. I’ll only keep my mocking to a few sentences."

    Is it lack of self control to reply to insults? What am I supposed to do? Let your insults go unrebutted? You are a ridiculous little idiot who - as far as I can tell - has never had anything much of any value to add to the discussion at this website.

    Replies: @Sailer has an interesting life

    Alright. My first reply didn’t get past the censor board. How about this?

    “See Steve. Me and Mr. Anon are just joshing around. It’s all good fun. I promise to keep my insults at a kindergarten level. Much like Mr. Anon’s thought process”.

    Fingers crossed that this makes the cut.

  201. @V Vega
    @Jefferson


    So the presence of Dominicans makes a place less Black? Do most Dominicans look like Ted Cruz?
     
    Most Dominicans despise blacks, and have effectively cleansed them from the majority of west Harlem, making it far safer for whites as a consequence.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Brutusale

    “Most Dominicans despise blacks,”

    Than why do so many Dominicans in New York City and New Jersey mix with African Americans at an extremely high rate?

    Most Dominicans in the Tri-state area have at least one family member who is half African American.

    Dominicans in the Tri-state area don’t mix a lot with White people.

    Dominicans in the Tri-state area assimilate into the African American underclass.

    A lot of Black rappers from New York City are either fully Dominican or half Dominican.

    Most Dominicans in New York City feel more comfortable hanging out with ghetto African Americans than they do hanging out with blue collar Italians, Russians, Ukrainians, and Irish.

  202. @Corvinus
    @Jefferson

    "Most middle class Blacks have at least 1 thug underclass Black cousin for example."

    And most middle class Whites have at least 1 thug underclass White cousin as well. Your point?

    Replies: @Twinkie, @V Vega, @anon, @Mr. Anon

    “And most middle class Whites have at least 1 thug underclass White cousin as well. Your point?”

    Middle Class white with large family here. No thugs. The idea of prison is out of the question for us. None of my friends family members are thugs. Not even close. Are you black? If so, maybe you need more white middle class friends. You seem delusional.

    Hint: it’s kind of difficult to maintain a middle class lifestyle when you have family thugs bandying about.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @V Vega

    "Middle Class white with large family here. No thugs. The idea of prison is out of the question for us."

    Then you are the exception. My salutations.

    "Are you black?"

    No, I'm American.

    "Hint: it’s kind of difficult to maintain a middle class lifestyle when you have family thugs bandying about."

    Not if those thugs live far away and/or are incarcerated.

    Replies: @res, @Alfa158, @V Vega

    , @Triumph104
    @V Vega


    Hint: it’s kind of difficult to maintain a middle class lifestyle when you have family thugs bandying about.
     
    To their detriment blacks believe that all people are equal and refuse to disassociate from the dregs of society. This thought paradigm leads to awful educational outcomes, high crime, fatherless children, minimal wealth accumulation, etc. as the dregs keep pulling middle-class blacks back down to their level. Blacks don't understand that successful ethnic groups require high standards of behavior from one another.

    The reluctance to make Hispanics full-fledged white people is the difference in crime rates and Hispanics' abysmal education outcomes which are more like blacks.

  203. @Jefferson
    @keypusher

    "No, but for the most part they don’t look like Joe Frazier either."

    Dominicans for the most part look closer to Joe Frazier in phenotype than they do to Steve Sailer.

    Even George Zimmerman looks Whiter than most Dominicans. Your average Dominican looks like Eric Holder and Gus Fring from Breaking Bad.

    If most Dominicans in The U.S lived in the South during Jim Crow, most of them would not be allowed to eat at Whites only restaurants and shop at Whites only stores.

    Replies: @BB753, @keypusher

    Perhaps, but Dominicans are a laid-back people, with nowhere the same level of sheer agressivity as African-Americans. In fact, the Dominican Republic is arguably the nicest and safest country to visit in the Caribbean.

  204. If the Colombian state of Choco was it’s own country, residents of Choco would genetically be the Blackest ethnic group in Latin America, even Blacker than Dominicans.
    Dialnet-ElChocoColombia-5377882-2.pdf

    The average Colombian resident of the state of Choco is genetically 75 percent Sub Saharan African.

    Here is a picture of Shakira visiting Choco, where she is the token Nonblack in a crowd of all Black kids.

  205. • Replies: @Jefferson
    @theo the kraut

    His casino mob ties? So Donald Trump was the real Sam Ace Rothstein?

    Luckily Cosa Nostra never planted a bomb in Donald Trump's car.
    https://youtu.be/zwPch3s8FrE

  206. @V Vega
    @Corvinus

    "And most middle class Whites have at least 1 thug underclass White cousin as well. Your point?"

    Middle Class white with large family here. No thugs. The idea of prison is out of the question for us. None of my friends family members are thugs. Not even close. Are you black? If so, maybe you need more white middle class friends. You seem delusional.

    Hint: it's kind of difficult to maintain a middle class lifestyle when you have family thugs bandying about.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Triumph104

    “Middle Class white with large family here. No thugs. The idea of prison is out of the question for us.”

    Then you are the exception. My salutations.

    “Are you black?”

    No, I’m American.

    “Hint: it’s kind of difficult to maintain a middle class lifestyle when you have family thugs bandying about.”

    Not if those thugs live far away and/or are incarcerated.

    • Replies: @res
    @Corvinus

    Two things:

    1. Do you truly believe “And most middle class Whites have at least 1 thug underclass White cousin as well”? What about with most defined as 50% or greater and cousin defined as 2nd cousin or closer? Which definitions for most and cousin did you intend in your initial statement?

    2. Please supply a supporting reference. (and "but he didn't" is not an acceptable response, note that this is a classic case of the hypocrisy I accused you of before--namely demanding references frequently and seldom supplying them yourself)

    , @Alfa158
    @Corvinus

    No, Fredsays is not the exception, most of us White middle class people have no thug cousins. (In my case sadly, for some reason about half my cousins are left wing lawyers. I wish they were thugs.)
    Your comments make me think you are Black. It is human nature to believe that everyone else is mostly just like you. Most Black people are not criminals just like most White people aren't, it is amateur of difference in percentages. But Black people do know a lot of criminal relatives and as a result I have talked to Blacks who are convinced that White people must surely commit crimes at the same rate as Blacks, and therefore they just get away with it. I remember one woman insisting to me that White people get murdered at the same rate as Blacks, but the racist authorities cover it up by changing the cause on death certificates from homicide to auto accident.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Buffalo Joe

    , @V Vega
    @Corvinus


    “Middle Class white with large family here. No thugs. The idea of prison is out of the question for us.”

    Then you are the exception. My salutations.
     
    Wrong. Not only are no people in my extended family thugs, nobody I know is, or has been in prison.

    “Are you black?”

    No, I’m American.
     
    Dodgy. I like it.

    “Hint: it’s kind of difficult to maintain a middle class lifestyle when you have family thugs bandying about.”

    Not if those thugs live far away and/or are incarcerated.
     
    Wrong again, Sparky. If you're a financially coherent black, you can move out of state, and those Section 8 vouchers allow your relatives to camp out in your general vicinity. Also, an excellent meeting ground for poor dumb blacks to make connections with more successful blacks to sponge off of would be the local church.

    That's also a great choice for blacks riding on a bogus disability claim to meet up with people who are interested in buying the prescription drugs they're issued by their doctor, but don't consume.

    You must not be very involved with black life to not know about the role of the black church in facilitating welfare fraud in general, and meeting up with potential customers in particular.

    Haven't you noticed those black "ministers" who get arrested once in a while who are up to their chins in seedy shit? From pimping, to fraud, etc.

    Think of what their "parishioners" are up to.

    Note to readers: if you want to stick a crowbar into the spokes of dysfunctional black culture, start with aggressively addressing the rampant welfare fraud, and the seedy sidewalk churches.

    I would suggest building some new prison facilities before you start. They'll be filling up fast.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  207. @theo the kraut
    OT, fwiw:
    http://www.politico.eu/article/what-were-donald-trump-ties-to-mob-mafia-casino-atlantic-city-real-estate-investigation

    Replies: @Jefferson

    His casino mob ties? So Donald Trump was the real Sam Ace Rothstein?

    Luckily Cosa Nostra never planted a bomb in Donald Trump’s car.

  208. @Boomstick
    @Corvinus

    Currently incarcerated. How many are on parole? How many are ex-cons now past their parole period? Also, multiply all those numbers by 2X for black males.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Hippopotamusdrome

    “How many are on parole? How many are ex-cons now past their parole period?”

    Just because a person is on parole does not mean they will reoffend, although the likelihood is greater.

    Now, remember, if we are taking into account parolees, and then they get arrested again, we are dealing with repeat offenders, NOT new offenders. Which would still mean that the supermajority of blacks are NOT engaging in criminal activity.

    “Also, multiply all those numbers by 2X for black males.”

    How do you figure?

    • Replies: @Boomstick
    @Corvinus

    The habits of mind that put someone in the joint are not those that make for good neighbors.

    Crime is mostly a guy thing, so most of those incarcerated are male. The "only 5% of Blacks are incarcerated" means that around 10% of Black males are. Roughly a third of adult black males are or have been "justice-involved individuals," and the odds are worse in urban areas. Whether that amounts to a supermajority of non-criminal Blacks is up to you.

  209. @anon
    @anon

    "reduce that percentage.."

    OKAY. HOW????

    Replies: @anon

    You start by admitting there’s a genetic component to the problem – privately if necessary – and engineer a eugenic criminal justice system

    rather then the current one which is based on blank slate thinking.

    #

    In particular the first step is to recognize allowing a gang culture to exist means the 10% most violent men are fathering > 10% of the babies and making it worse.

    Basically think of it terms of dog breeding – if you wanted less aggressive dogs what would you do?

    You’d try and make sure less violent males had the competitive advantage not the most violent.

    • Replies: @anon
    @anon

    Another factor is employment - you need the "family man" type to be able to compete financially.

    And immigration of course - importing extra criminals every year makes everything pointless.

    , @anonymous-antimarxist
    @anon

    Exactly!!!!

    I have been trying to make points like yours for years on this blog.

    The criminologist James Q. Wilson along with the top FBI researchers have noted that the eugenic hypergamous marriage/birth patterns among Italian/Irish/Jewish gangsters played a significant role in the decline of their respective gang/mafia crime behaviors in just two or three generations.

    On the other hand as mentioned above the dindu Sam Dubose shot by the University of Cincinnati police officer had 13 kids by 11 baby momas. Ant that is only what we know for now.

    That means that in the typical black ghetto beta males who have at least the intelligence and conscientiousness to hold down a service job are being displaced in the gene pool by thugs at a rapid rate.

    It explains the ubiquitous "Paternity???" billboards outside of large employers of black men who work night shifts for UPS/Amazon/Postal Service .....

    Any sane welfare policy as a cornerstone of its goals would promote better sperm selection by single black women.

    Replies: @anon, @Ivy

    , @anon
    @anon

    You'd try and make sure less violent males had the competitive advantage not the most violent.

    Okay. How?

    Replies: @anon

    , @LKM
    @anon

    So knock a year off a young black criminal's sentence if he agrees to a vasectomy?

    Replies: @Former Darfur, @anonymous-antimarxist, @anon

  210. @res
    @V Vega

    Very interesting. Thanks for posting. Is this the site you meant? https://memory.loc.gov/ammem/snhtml/snhome.html
    I was intrigued that this was done by the WPA.

    Any chance of posting some more detailed references to the stories you outlined?

    Replies: @V Vega

    Very interesting. Thanks for posting. Is this the site you meant? https://memory.loc.gov/ammem/snhtml/snhome.html
    I was intrigued that this was done by the WPA.

    Any chance of posting some more detailed references to the stories you outlined?

    Res, I plowed through about 500 of them at a sitting quite a while back, and their database doesn’t facilitate searches to easily find the narrative I shared. I’m not a student of american slavery, I was just curious, so I didn’t keep notes. Also, it seems as if they might have changed the way it’s organized, and it doesn’t seem to be an improvement. However, you can certainly dig through them, as they’re organized, yourself. This looks like a good place to start. You’ll find all kinds of adventures, some to be expected, and some will surprise you:

    https://memory.loc.gov/ammem/snhtml/snintro18.html

    • Replies: @res
    @V Vega

    Thanks for the reply.

  211. @Buffalo Joe
    @V Vega

    Keller, A good read on this subject is "Bullwhip Days", stories by former slaves , an oral history edited by James Mellon. Hard to put down.

    Replies: @V Vega, @res

    Keller, A good read on this subject is “Bullwhip Days”, stories by former slaves , an oral history edited by James Mellon. Hard to put down.

    Thank you. I will definitely check it out.

  212. • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Chicago Girl

    Because I think Steve would be leery of anything originating in Herb and Marion Sandler's little propaganda shop, ProPublica.

  213. res says:
    @Corvinus
    @V Vega

    "Middle Class white with large family here. No thugs. The idea of prison is out of the question for us."

    Then you are the exception. My salutations.

    "Are you black?"

    No, I'm American.

    "Hint: it’s kind of difficult to maintain a middle class lifestyle when you have family thugs bandying about."

    Not if those thugs live far away and/or are incarcerated.

    Replies: @res, @Alfa158, @V Vega

    Two things:

    1. Do you truly believe “And most middle class Whites have at least 1 thug underclass White cousin as well”? What about with most defined as 50% or greater and cousin defined as 2nd cousin or closer? Which definitions for most and cousin did you intend in your initial statement?

    2. Please supply a supporting reference. (and “but he didn’t” is not an acceptable response, note that this is a classic case of the hypocrisy I accused you of before–namely demanding references frequently and seldom supplying them yourself)

  214. @anon
    @anon

    You start by admitting there's a genetic component to the problem - privately if necessary - and engineer a eugenic criminal justice system

    rather then the current one which is based on blank slate thinking.

    #

    In particular the first step is to recognize allowing a gang culture to exist means the 10% most violent men are fathering > 10% of the babies and making it worse.

    Basically think of it terms of dog breeding - if you wanted less aggressive dogs what would you do?

    You'd try and make sure less violent males had the competitive advantage not the most violent.

    Replies: @anon, @anonymous-antimarxist, @anon, @LKM

    Another factor is employment – you need the “family man” type to be able to compete financially.

    And immigration of course – importing extra criminals every year makes everything pointless.

  215. @V Vega
    @res


    Very interesting. Thanks for posting. Is this the site you meant? https://memory.loc.gov/ammem/snhtml/snhome.html
    I was intrigued that this was done by the WPA.

    Any chance of posting some more detailed references to the stories you outlined?
     
    Res, I plowed through about 500 of them at a sitting quite a while back, and their database doesn't facilitate searches to easily find the narrative I shared. I'm not a student of american slavery, I was just curious, so I didn't keep notes. Also, it seems as if they might have changed the way it's organized, and it doesn't seem to be an improvement. However, you can certainly dig through them, as they're organized, yourself. This looks like a good place to start. You'll find all kinds of adventures, some to be expected, and some will surprise you:

    https://memory.loc.gov/ammem/snhtml/snintro18.html

    Replies: @res

    Thanks for the reply.

  216. @Corvinus
    @Boomstick

    "How many are on parole? How many are ex-cons now past their parole period?"

    Just because a person is on parole does not mean they will reoffend, although the likelihood is greater.

    Now, remember, if we are taking into account parolees, and then they get arrested again, we are dealing with repeat offenders, NOT new offenders. Which would still mean that the supermajority of blacks are NOT engaging in criminal activity.

    "Also, multiply all those numbers by 2X for black males."

    How do you figure?

    Replies: @Boomstick

    The habits of mind that put someone in the joint are not those that make for good neighbors.

    Crime is mostly a guy thing, so most of those incarcerated are male. The “only 5% of Blacks are incarcerated” means that around 10% of Black males are. Roughly a third of adult black males are or have been “justice-involved individuals,” and the odds are worse in urban areas. Whether that amounts to a supermajority of non-criminal Blacks is up to you.

  217. res says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    @V Vega

    Keller, A good read on this subject is "Bullwhip Days", stories by former slaves , an oral history edited by James Mellon. Hard to put down.

    Replies: @V Vega, @res

    Buffalo Joe, can you give any sense of the editorial tilt of “Bullwhip Days”? With that many narratives (the book is sourced from the WPA records Keller mentioned) it is easy to pick and choose to promote an agenda. The reviews on Amazon make me think it is fairly balanced, but PC is so pervasive (even in 1988 when the book was written) that I wonder.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @res

    res, I don't see an editorial bent to the narratives, but I wasn't looking for one either. The book, which I own, is comprised of narratives by former slaves. The WPA writers or rather interviewers may or may not have made changes to what they collected. The book is worth reading just to get a sense of what slaves lived through. Some parts are emotional, some humorous. Some slaves were deliriously happy to be free , some feared the unknown life of freedom and change that awaited them. Buy the book, you won't be sorry that you did. You can open to any sub heading or chapter and read a segment in minutes...an easy read . You will also learn, contrary to what a poster wrote, that slave children started to work at age four, 14 seems to be the age most often mentioned.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @res

    Res, I replied before but I don't know what happened. I see no editorial bent to the narratives. Buy the book, a very easy read and quite informative. I own the book and read parts of it every now and then.

  218. @slumber_j
    @Yak-15

    I think that's right. And Riverdale is further insulated by Van Cortlandt Park, and by Kingsbridge down the hill to the southeast, which is pretty solidly working class. Or at least it was twenty years ago or so when I spent a few nights there. I think Kingsbridge works as a buffer to the rest of the borough in a way.

    Replies: @Ivy

    My old neighbor was a top cross country runner in New York, and had some memories of Van Cortlandt Park. He mentioned the route going up Cemetery Hill, which separated the pack?

  219. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    @Boomstick

    That means that living near significant numbers of blacks is extremely dangerous. It also means that 2/3 of black men are not criminals.

    Middle class blacks, who are a significant percentage and make fine neighbors, are the biggest victims of black violence. Just look at Ferguson, so many hard working blacks have lost everything. I'd be a lot more supportive, though, if middle class blacks held more conservative political positions, particularly about criminal justice and law enforcement.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @The most deplorable one, @E. Rekshun

    It also means that 2/3 of black men are not criminals.

    Yay! Let’s give them a Nobel prize!

    Middle class blacks, who are a significant percentage and make fine neighbors, are the biggest victims of black violence.

    One middle-class black family might make a tolerable neighbor, but I don’t know about fine; many more than that and, well, you know…And, besides, the middle-class black victims of black violence are being victimized by no one other than each others’ fathers, sons, brothers, uncles, and cousins.

  220. @South Texas Guy
    These articles are also particularly malicious because the asshole reporters don't know the difference between the Elks Lodge (the Benevolent and Protective Order of Elks; a mainly white organization until a few years ago), and the other elks lodge (the IMPROVED Benevolent and Protective Order of Elks) founded a century ago specifically for blacks. This pops up about once a year in news articles about killings.

    Replies: @Triumph104

    Thanks for the information. The Black Elks were formed in Cincinnati where the shooting took place, so that would explain the relatively young and definitely under-class crowd at the lodge.

  221. @anon
    @anon

    You start by admitting there's a genetic component to the problem - privately if necessary - and engineer a eugenic criminal justice system

    rather then the current one which is based on blank slate thinking.

    #

    In particular the first step is to recognize allowing a gang culture to exist means the 10% most violent men are fathering > 10% of the babies and making it worse.

    Basically think of it terms of dog breeding - if you wanted less aggressive dogs what would you do?

    You'd try and make sure less violent males had the competitive advantage not the most violent.

    Replies: @anon, @anonymous-antimarxist, @anon, @LKM

    Exactly!!!!

    I have been trying to make points like yours for years on this blog.

    The criminologist James Q. Wilson along with the top FBI researchers have noted that the eugenic hypergamous marriage/birth patterns among Italian/Irish/Jewish gangsters played a significant role in the decline of their respective gang/mafia crime behaviors in just two or three generations.

    On the other hand as mentioned above the dindu Sam Dubose shot by the University of Cincinnati police officer had 13 kids by 11 baby momas. Ant that is only what we know for now.

    That means that in the typical black ghetto beta males who have at least the intelligence and conscientiousness to hold down a service job are being displaced in the gene pool by thugs at a rapid rate.

    It explains the ubiquitous “Paternity???” billboards outside of large employers of black men who work night shifts for UPS/Amazon/Postal Service …..

    Any sane welfare policy as a cornerstone of its goals would promote better sperm selection by single black women.

    • Replies: @anon
    @anonymous-antimarxist

    In a nutshell yes - and they would too if they knew; they might still have sex with the gangstas but they'd get pregnant by the UPS guy.

    , @Ivy
    @anonymous-antimarxist

    The demand side of that equation must have some unusual variables! Perhaps grant money is available for a research paper, although the field work could be problematic.

  222. @V Vega
    @Corvinus

    "And most middle class Whites have at least 1 thug underclass White cousin as well. Your point?"

    Middle Class white with large family here. No thugs. The idea of prison is out of the question for us. None of my friends family members are thugs. Not even close. Are you black? If so, maybe you need more white middle class friends. You seem delusional.

    Hint: it's kind of difficult to maintain a middle class lifestyle when you have family thugs bandying about.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Triumph104

    Hint: it’s kind of difficult to maintain a middle class lifestyle when you have family thugs bandying about.

    To their detriment blacks believe that all people are equal and refuse to disassociate from the dregs of society. This thought paradigm leads to awful educational outcomes, high crime, fatherless children, minimal wealth accumulation, etc. as the dregs keep pulling middle-class blacks back down to their level. Blacks don’t understand that successful ethnic groups require high standards of behavior from one another.

    The reluctance to make Hispanics full-fledged white people is the difference in crime rates and Hispanics’ abysmal education outcomes which are more like blacks.

  223. @Twinkie
    @Dr. X


    Consequently, the competitive shooting community is 99.9+ percent white.
     
    Your number is a bit off. One of the greatest American female competitive shooter is Vera Koo, of Chinese ancestry, who won the Bianchi Cup record 8 times. She's probably the greatest female competitive action shooter ever. Among the younger set, there are shooters such as Tori Nonaka of Team Glock and Chris Cheng, a former Googler, who won Top Shot season 4. There are quite a few Asian-Americans in the shooting sports, far in excess of 0.1%. Along with whites, Asians punch above their weight in shooting sports.

    And that's just the domestic scene. Internationally, East Asians dominate several shooting sports, including Olympic pistol shooting. Here are the nationalities of mens pistol shooting medalists in the last three Olympics:

    2004 Athens Gold: Russia; Silver: South Korea; Bronze: North Korea
    2008 Beijing Gold: South Korea; Silver: China; Bronze: Russia
    2012 London Gold: South Korea; Silver: South Korea; Bronze: China

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Former Darfur, @Dr. X

    There are quite a few Asian-Americans in the shooting sports, far in excess of 0.1%.

    Correct… my post indicated that I could count the number of blacks in the shooting sports on one hand, not Asians.

  224. @Jefferson
    @keypusher

    "No, but for the most part they don’t look like Joe Frazier either."

    Dominicans for the most part look closer to Joe Frazier in phenotype than they do to Steve Sailer.

    Even George Zimmerman looks Whiter than most Dominicans. Your average Dominican looks like Eric Holder and Gus Fring from Breaking Bad.

    If most Dominicans in The U.S lived in the South during Jim Crow, most of them would not be allowed to eat at Whites only restaurants and shop at Whites only stores.

    Replies: @BB753, @keypusher

    Dude, I lived in Santo Domingo for two years and I live in Washington Heights now. I don’t need instruction on Dominican physiognomy.

    It varies.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @keypusher

    "Dude, I lived in Santo Domingo for two years and I live in Washington Heights now. I don’t need instruction on Dominican physiognomy.

    It varies."

    Nobody in New York City would ever mistake Steve Sailer for a Dominican, so don't give me that it varies crap. There is definitely a Dominican look and it is a look that would have been racially discriminated against in Jim Crow South.

    , @Jefferson
    @keypusher

    "Dude, I lived in Santo Domingo for two years and I live in Washington Heights now. I don’t need instruction on Dominican physiognomy.

    It varies."

    The average Dominican is genetically 40 percent Sub Saharan African. How do you think such a Dominican would have been racially treated in Jim Crow South?

    And keep in mind that 40 percent Sub Saharan African admixture is a hell of a lot more than just one drop of Black blood. Nobody with that high amount if SSA DNA will have a phenotype that falls within the White/Whitish passing range. They are not going to look like famous passers like J. Edgar Hoover and Anatole Broyard.

  225. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    @The most deplorable one

    Humor noted, but most people don't realize that violence, unless it's really extreme, usually increases fertility by far more than replacement.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    From Demolition Man (1993):

    “There is, of course, a well-known and documented connection between sex and violence. Not so much a causal effect, but a general state of neurological arousal. And after having observed your behavior this evening, and my resultant condition … I was wondering if you would like to have sex.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFrkcCufwK4#t=0m12s

    There’s a lot of subversive crimethink in this flick, if you read between the lines. Raymond Cocteau’s San Angeles is a leftist-wet-dream totalitarian dictatorship, where everything that is bad for you (caffeine, contact sports, cigarettes, meat, guns) is banned. Cocteau unleashes Simon Phoenix, a ferocious black criminal, to eliminate the rebels who represent the last lingering threats to his total dictatorial rule. Cocteau believes he can control and manipulate Phoenix, but in the end he is killed. It takes a good, old-fashioned, pull-no-punches cop – Johnn Spartan – to bring Phoenix down.

  226. @countenance

    Over all, though, nearly three-fourths of victims and suspected assailants whose race could be identified were black. Some experts suggest that helps explain why the drumbeat of dead and wounded does not inspire more outrage. “Clearly, if it’s black-on-black, we don’t get the same attention because most people don’t identify with that. Most Americans are white,” said James Alan Fox, a professor of criminology at Northeastern University in Boston. “People think, ‘That’s not my world. That’s not going to happen to me.’”
     
    I wonder if the newspaper that is the very choke point of the national news media could do something about that. Heck with that for just a moment, I wonder if the NYT is so dense that it doesn't even recognize the irony of it publishing those words.

    Replies: @David In TN

    Other “major” news organizations are similarly irony-challenged. The Los Angeles Times criticized “the lack of attention” to the black victims of black serial killer Lonnie Franklin. Who does the L.A. Times think is supposed to spotlight public issues in Southern California?

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @David In TN

    "Other “major” news organizations are similarly irony-challenged. The Los Angeles Times criticized “the lack of attention” to the black victims of black serial killer Lonnie Franklin. Who does the L.A. Times think is supposed to spotlight public issues in Southern California?"

    If Lonnie Franklin was a White male serial killer who went around murdering Black females, it would be on the front page of The Los Angeles Times from now until election day.

    Notice the LA times didn't ask what if Lonnie was White scenario. Instead they just blame the lack of coverage of murdered Black females on racism from White people in the mainstream media. They should blame the lack of coverage from the mainstream media on them wanting to hide the fact that Black males commit a disproportionate number of the murders in this country.

    Replies: @David In TN

  227. Gringo, great comment. I saved it for later.

    America will not become like Brazil because white Americans like marrying brown immigrants.

    Yes, none of those white Portugee ever married any brown people. WTF?

    People here who use the term Negros because of their dislike for blacks sound childish, passive aggressive, and effeminate.

    Bothers you that much, does it? ZFG.

    “I’m smart, racist, and grew up in a black neighborhood. Is someone’s head exploding, somewhere?”

    Stone Mountain, Georgia?

    Good guess. I could drive there in a few hours from said neighborhood.

    As was mentioned in this thread, ghetto blacks usually don’t concealed carry all the time, because they know they already have a good chance of being frisked. If caught, not only does the weapon get confiscated but they go to jail. Rather what they do is that they have various hiding places where they keep weapons and bring them out when they are ready to use them. Many ghetto murder narratives involve Person B dissing Person A, whereupon Person A leaves, retrieves his weapon, comes back and shoots Person B and/or anyone in the vicinity/line of fire.

    Stop-frisk-confiscate would put a big damper on illegal concealed carry, which is more connected to spur of the moment murders. For “organized” crime, other methods come into play. Street cameras and their systematic use by law enforcement could help.

    No, it is not “easily enough”.

    I suppose we all have our standards. Have at it, friend.

    One could take these numbers to mean that MOST blacks are NOT criminals.

    That’s great. Most paint chips have no lead. Go eat a bunch.

    Given a choice between an alley full of black youths, and an alley full of white youths, ceteris paribus, we know which choice the wise man will make.

    The standard response of the anti-gun people is that “We are talking about CIVILIZED countries.”

    “Oh, you mean countries with low black/brown populations? What are you, a racist?”

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Svigor

    "Given a choice between an alley full of black youths, and an alley full of white youths, ceteris paribus, we know which choice the wise man will make."

    Right, neither alley!

  228. @Boomstick
    @Corvinus

    Currently incarcerated. How many are on parole? How many are ex-cons now past their parole period? Also, multiply all those numbers by 2X for black males.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Hippopotamusdrome

    1 In 3 Black Males Will Go To Prison In Their Lifetime, Report Warns

    One in every three black males born today can expect to go to prison at some point in their life, compared with one in every six Latino males, and one in every 17 white males, if current incarceration trends continue.

    Don’t forget the ones that never got caught.

  229. @David In TN
    @countenance

    Other "major" news organizations are similarly irony-challenged. The Los Angeles Times criticized "the lack of attention" to the black victims of black serial killer Lonnie Franklin. Who does the L.A. Times think is supposed to spotlight public issues in Southern California?

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Other “major” news organizations are similarly irony-challenged. The Los Angeles Times criticized “the lack of attention” to the black victims of black serial killer Lonnie Franklin. Who does the L.A. Times think is supposed to spotlight public issues in Southern California?”

    If Lonnie Franklin was a White male serial killer who went around murdering Black females, it would be on the front page of The Los Angeles Times from now until election day.

    Notice the LA times didn’t ask what if Lonnie was White scenario. Instead they just blame the lack of coverage of murdered Black females on racism from White people in the mainstream media. They should blame the lack of coverage from the mainstream media on them wanting to hide the fact that Black males commit a disproportionate number of the murders in this country.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Jefferson

    Another MSM trope is wailing about "dead white girls" getting all the attention re crime news. They neglect to mention the perpetrator in those stories is always white.

    A murdered white girl is national news when the perp looks like Scott Peterson or Joran Van der Sloot. News about murdered black girls isn't played up because they would have to show the perp, invariably black, and that won't do.

    Replies: @Jefferson

  230. @Corvinus
    @Jefferson

    "Most middle class Blacks have at least 1 thug underclass Black cousin for example."

    And most middle class Whites have at least 1 thug underclass White cousin as well. Your point?

    Replies: @Twinkie, @V Vega, @anon, @Mr. Anon

    You are quite mistaken in your false comparison. So his point stands.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @anon

    "You are quite mistaken in your false comparison. So his point stands."

    Right, because you are the paragon of virtue.

  231. @anon
    @anon

    You start by admitting there's a genetic component to the problem - privately if necessary - and engineer a eugenic criminal justice system

    rather then the current one which is based on blank slate thinking.

    #

    In particular the first step is to recognize allowing a gang culture to exist means the 10% most violent men are fathering > 10% of the babies and making it worse.

    Basically think of it terms of dog breeding - if you wanted less aggressive dogs what would you do?

    You'd try and make sure less violent males had the competitive advantage not the most violent.

    Replies: @anon, @anonymous-antimarxist, @anon, @LKM

    You’d try and make sure less violent males had the competitive advantage not the most violent.

    Okay. How?

    • Replies: @anon
    @anon

    full employment combined with a criminal justice system built around longer sentences for previous convictions

    (most countries did this years ago - there was almost no chance of someone having 40 convictions because after the first half dozen they were gone for good)

    in particular don't allow gangs to rule poor areas - which in particular means stop treating young offenders leniently - it's the worst thing you can do because it enhances their intimidation power

    3 strikes and you're out (but with an age cutoff of say 24 ish so 3 strikes as a teen still get out at 24)

  232. @Corvinus
    @Svigor

    "Relative to other races? A lot. This is the math people really care about. I mean, if only 1 in 100
    encounters with little green men results in a human getting punched in the face, that’s easily enough for little green men to earn a bad reputation."

    No, it is not "easily enough".

    Speaking of numbers, in 2014, the US Census Bureau estimated 45,672,250 African Americans in the United States out of 318.9 million Americans. Out of this percentage, only 4.7 percent of all adult black males are incarcerated. One million out of 2.4 million incarcerated are black, with 6% of all black males ages 30 to 39 were in prison.

    One could take these numbers to mean that MOST blacks are NOT criminals.

    Replies: @Boomstick, @Kylie

    “Speaking of numbers, in 2014, the US Census Bureau estimated 45,672,250 African Americans in the United States out of 318.9 million Americans. Out of this percentage, only 4.7 percent of all adult black males are incarcerated. One million out of 2.4 million incarcerated are black, with 6% of all black males ages 30 to 39 were in prison.

    One could take these numbers to mean that MOST blacks are NOT criminals.”

    Yes, one could–if one were a disingenuous apologist for blacks which is what you are (among other things).

    But anyone with a modicum of intellectual honesty would take those numbers to mean that most blacks have not been convicted of crimes that result in incarceration. There are several possible reasons for this, only one of which has to do with how law-abiding most blacks are.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Kylie

    "Yes, one could–if one were a disingenuous apologist for blacks which is what you are (among other things)."

    Blacks criminals, like ALL criminals, get what they deserve--prison. So there is no apologist here. I'm just keeping those people honest who believe most blacks are criminals when the numbers clearly indicate the opposite.

    "But anyone with a modicum of intellectual honesty would take those numbers to mean that most blacks have not been convicted of crimes that result in incarceration."

    No, because you would have to prove your assertion with evidence. Talk about integrity, or lack thereof, on your part.

  233. @V Vega
    @Jefferson


    So the presence of Dominicans makes a place less Black? Do most Dominicans look like Ted Cruz?
     
    Most Dominicans despise blacks, and have effectively cleansed them from the majority of west Harlem, making it far safer for whites as a consequence.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Brutusale

    I would hazard a guess that America’s most famous Dominican, David “Big Papi” Ortiz, is fairly representative of Dominican melanin levels.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/3748/david-ortiz

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Brutusale

    To be honest, no. Dominicans fall on a spectrum from 0 to 100% black. As a wild ass guess I would say the average is something like 50/50 - less among the elites (who are usually not 100% white either, but whitish), more among the lower classes.

  234. @Corvinus
    @V Vega

    "Middle Class white with large family here. No thugs. The idea of prison is out of the question for us."

    Then you are the exception. My salutations.

    "Are you black?"

    No, I'm American.

    "Hint: it’s kind of difficult to maintain a middle class lifestyle when you have family thugs bandying about."

    Not if those thugs live far away and/or are incarcerated.

    Replies: @res, @Alfa158, @V Vega

    No, Fredsays is not the exception, most of us White middle class people have no thug cousins. (In my case sadly, for some reason about half my cousins are left wing lawyers. I wish they were thugs.)
    Your comments make me think you are Black. It is human nature to believe that everyone else is mostly just like you. Most Black people are not criminals just like most White people aren’t, it is amateur of difference in percentages. But Black people do know a lot of criminal relatives and as a result I have talked to Blacks who are convinced that White people must surely commit crimes at the same rate as Blacks, and therefore they just get away with it. I remember one woman insisting to me that White people get murdered at the same rate as Blacks, but the racist authorities cover it up by changing the cause on death certificates from homicide to auto accident.

    • Agree: Triumph104
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Alfa158

    "No, Fredsays is not the exception, most of us White middle class people have no thug cousins."

    That they are willing to admit, assuredly.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Alfa158

    Alfa158, regarding your lawyer cousins. Philadelphia has more lawyers than any other major American city. Oakland has more black males than any other major American city. The point: Oakland had first choice.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  235. @Corvinus
    @Ed

    "This isn’t about drugs or gangs but the inability of blacks to control themselves. Here’s an example I experience last night."

    Exactly! Every single, or at least most every, black person in the United States acts this way. I mean, few if any act in any civilized fashion. They are all big, nasty, and mean.

    "The underclass blacks really do need a firm hand guiding their every move. They aren’t fit for modern society."

    Definitely! They need someone like yourself under their wing. After all, you were able to teach a thing or two about Western Civilization for those underclass whites and Hispanics, right? You are just the jabroni, I mean man, for the job.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Anonymous

    Not every black, but enough,which is what matters.

    It’s the percentages that are the issue.

    Or is probability a white thing?

  236. I’m black and you are right. There is a large segment of blacks that just make up their own reality. It allows them to normalize and continue with their stupid and demented behavior. They say, “Well, white people do it too”. Most, if not all, of the “church fight” videos on YouTube happen at black churches. They probably think that YouTube is taking down all of the white church fight videos and leaving up the black ones.

    Blacks are very impressionable. Prior to the 1960s blacks had a higher marriage rate than whites because marriage was deemed as a societal norm. The black family was destroyed in the 1960s when sexual liberation, welfare, feminism, and divorce became societal norms and blacks engaged in these practices at a higher rate than whites.

    There is also an industrial complex catering to this type of thinking. SJWs tell blacks that they only reason they do poorly in school is because the white teacher doesn’t believe in them. Standardized test companies make billions “attempting” to close the black-white achievement gap.

    Lee Kuan Yew didn’t believe people were equal and it saved Singapore billions.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Triumph104



    Prior to the 1960s blacks had a higher marriage rate than whites because marriage was deemed as a societal norm.

     

    Actually...

    1938:
    1938 ..., ... 11 percent of black children and 3 percent of white children were born to unwed mothers

    11% / 3% = 3.76x

    2012:
    72.3 percent of non-Hispanic blacks are now born out-of-wedlock... 29.1 percent of non-Hispanic whites

    72% / 29% = 2.48x

    Replies: @Triumph104

  237. @anon
    @anon

    You start by admitting there's a genetic component to the problem - privately if necessary - and engineer a eugenic criminal justice system

    rather then the current one which is based on blank slate thinking.

    #

    In particular the first step is to recognize allowing a gang culture to exist means the 10% most violent men are fathering > 10% of the babies and making it worse.

    Basically think of it terms of dog breeding - if you wanted less aggressive dogs what would you do?

    You'd try and make sure less violent males had the competitive advantage not the most violent.

    Replies: @anon, @anonymous-antimarxist, @anon, @LKM

    So knock a year off a young black criminal’s sentence if he agrees to a vasectomy?

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    @LKM

    In some cases offer him more than that. Making black male fertility a one time get out of jail card might make a 'Vas Deferens' to social wellness....;-)

    , @anonymous-antimarxist
    @LKM

    Vasalgel/Risug is a reversible chemical vasectomy that could be used on violent young men as a condition of their parole. Stay out of trouble, and the vasectomy can be reversed. In the rare case that there are complications they could be paid a settlement.

    It would take many sociopaths out of the gene pool.

    , @anon
    @LKM

    That's one way.

    Personally I come from a background where 50%+ of the boys will do something that gets them a criminal record during peak testosterone years (say age 14-24 or whatever) but they're solid family men once they're past that phase so I'd make a distinction for that age group.

    something like 3 strikes and you're out till 24-26 ish but then let out

    keep them out of the gene pool during that phase but only permanently if they're still like it even after peak testosterone.

    Replies: @JSM

  238. @Kylie
    @Corvinus

    "Speaking of numbers, in 2014, the US Census Bureau estimated 45,672,250 African Americans in the United States out of 318.9 million Americans. Out of this percentage, only 4.7 percent of all adult black males are incarcerated. One million out of 2.4 million incarcerated are black, with 6% of all black males ages 30 to 39 were in prison.

    One could take these numbers to mean that MOST blacks are NOT criminals."

    Yes, one could--if one were a disingenuous apologist for blacks which is what you are (among other things).

    But anyone with a modicum of intellectual honesty would take those numbers to mean that most blacks have not been convicted of crimes that result in incarceration. There are several possible reasons for this, only one of which has to do with how law-abiding most blacks are.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Yes, one could–if one were a disingenuous apologist for blacks which is what you are (among other things).”

    Blacks criminals, like ALL criminals, get what they deserve–prison. So there is no apologist here. I’m just keeping those people honest who believe most blacks are criminals when the numbers clearly indicate the opposite.

    “But anyone with a modicum of intellectual honesty would take those numbers to mean that most blacks have not been convicted of crimes that result in incarceration.”

    No, because you would have to prove your assertion with evidence. Talk about integrity, or lack thereof, on your part.

  239. @Alfa158
    @Corvinus

    No, Fredsays is not the exception, most of us White middle class people have no thug cousins. (In my case sadly, for some reason about half my cousins are left wing lawyers. I wish they were thugs.)
    Your comments make me think you are Black. It is human nature to believe that everyone else is mostly just like you. Most Black people are not criminals just like most White people aren't, it is amateur of difference in percentages. But Black people do know a lot of criminal relatives and as a result I have talked to Blacks who are convinced that White people must surely commit crimes at the same rate as Blacks, and therefore they just get away with it. I remember one woman insisting to me that White people get murdered at the same rate as Blacks, but the racist authorities cover it up by changing the cause on death certificates from homicide to auto accident.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Buffalo Joe

    “No, Fredsays is not the exception, most of us White middle class people have no thug cousins.”

    That they are willing to admit, assuredly.

  240. @Svigor
    Gringo, great comment. I saved it for later.

    America will not become like Brazil because white Americans like marrying brown immigrants.
     
    Yes, none of those white Portugee ever married any brown people. WTF?

    People here who use the term Negros because of their dislike for blacks sound childish, passive aggressive, and effeminate.
     
    Bothers you that much, does it? ZFG.

    “I’m smart, racist, and grew up in a black neighborhood. Is someone’s head exploding, somewhere?”

    Stone Mountain, Georgia?
     
    Good guess. I could drive there in a few hours from said neighborhood.

    As was mentioned in this thread, ghetto blacks usually don’t concealed carry all the time, because they know they already have a good chance of being frisked. If caught, not only does the weapon get confiscated but they go to jail. Rather what they do is that they have various hiding places where they keep weapons and bring them out when they are ready to use them. Many ghetto murder narratives involve Person B dissing Person A, whereupon Person A leaves, retrieves his weapon, comes back and shoots Person B and/or anyone in the vicinity/line of fire.
     
    Stop-frisk-confiscate would put a big damper on illegal concealed carry, which is more connected to spur of the moment murders. For "organized" crime, other methods come into play. Street cameras and their systematic use by law enforcement could help.

    No, it is not “easily enough”.
     
    I suppose we all have our standards. Have at it, friend.

    One could take these numbers to mean that MOST blacks are NOT criminals.
     
    That's great. Most paint chips have no lead. Go eat a bunch.

    Given a choice between an alley full of black youths, and an alley full of white youths, ceteris paribus, we know which choice the wise man will make.

    The standard response of the anti-gun people is that “We are talking about CIVILIZED countries.”
     
    "Oh, you mean countries with low black/brown populations? What are you, a racist?"

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Given a choice between an alley full of black youths, and an alley full of white youths, ceteris paribus, we know which choice the wise man will make.”

    Right, neither alley!

  241. @anon
    @Corvinus

    You are quite mistaken in your false comparison. So his point stands.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “You are quite mistaken in your false comparison. So his point stands.”

    Right, because you are the paragon of virtue.

  242. @Corvinus
    @V Vega

    "Middle Class white with large family here. No thugs. The idea of prison is out of the question for us."

    Then you are the exception. My salutations.

    "Are you black?"

    No, I'm American.

    "Hint: it’s kind of difficult to maintain a middle class lifestyle when you have family thugs bandying about."

    Not if those thugs live far away and/or are incarcerated.

    Replies: @res, @Alfa158, @V Vega

    “Middle Class white with large family here. No thugs. The idea of prison is out of the question for us.”

    Then you are the exception. My salutations.

    Wrong. Not only are no people in my extended family thugs, nobody I know is, or has been in prison.

    “Are you black?”

    No, I’m American.

    Dodgy. I like it.

    “Hint: it’s kind of difficult to maintain a middle class lifestyle when you have family thugs bandying about.”

    Not if those thugs live far away and/or are incarcerated.

    Wrong again, Sparky. If you’re a financially coherent black, you can move out of state, and those Section 8 vouchers allow your relatives to camp out in your general vicinity. Also, an excellent meeting ground for poor dumb blacks to make connections with more successful blacks to sponge off of would be the local church.

    That’s also a great choice for blacks riding on a bogus disability claim to meet up with people who are interested in buying the prescription drugs they’re issued by their doctor, but don’t consume.

    You must not be very involved with black life to not know about the role of the black church in facilitating welfare fraud in general, and meeting up with potential customers in particular.

    Haven’t you noticed those black “ministers” who get arrested once in a while who are up to their chins in seedy shit? From pimping, to fraud, etc.

    Think of what their “parishioners” are up to.

    Note to readers: if you want to stick a crowbar into the spokes of dysfunctional black culture, start with aggressively addressing the rampant welfare fraud, and the seedy sidewalk churches.

    I would suggest building some new prison facilities before you start. They’ll be filling up fast.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @V Vega

    "Wrong. Not only are no people in my extended family thugs, nobody I know is, or has been in prison."

    Great, doesn't mean your experience is the rule rather than the exception.

    "Dodgy. I like it."

    Actually, I'm white. Some commenters here, however, would call me anti-white, whatever that means.

    "If you’re a financially coherent black, you can move out of state, and those Section 8 vouchers allow your relatives to camp out in your general vicinity. Also, an excellent meeting ground for poor dumb blacks to make connections with more successful blacks to sponge off of would be the local church."

    I wonder who indoctrinated you.

    "You must not be very involved with black life to not know about the role of the black church in facilitating welfare fraud in general, and meeting up with potential customers in particular."

    I'm sure you have plenty of links to back up your claim.

    "Haven’t you noticed those black “ministers” who get arrested once in a while who are up to their chins in seedy shit? From pimping, to fraud, etc."

    Just as bad as whites posing as "members of the cloth".

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-fake-priest-bogus-trips-pope-francis-lapd--20160202-story.html

  243. @Sailer has an interesting life
    @Thea

    I take your point, but due to extreme Japanese 'inversion' we aren't seeing that *they* had to deal with after the loss of WW2. They seem to have lost a lot of their masculinity after the war. People who study Japan as a serious topic (ie not those who love GLORIOUS NIPPON and anime) believe that this masculinity lies underneath the surface, ready to arise when their country is threatened. Look for a rise in nationalism when China starts sabre-rattling to cover their floundering economy.

    As you said, a good topic for a novel. :-)

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “People who study Japan as a serious topic (ie not those who love GLORIOUS NIPPON and anime)……”

    So – not you – as you evidently have not studied anything seriously, nor are you a serious person. Anime fan sounds about right for a simpering nitwit like you.

  244. @Corvinus
    @Jefferson

    "Most middle class Blacks have at least 1 thug underclass Black cousin for example."

    And most middle class Whites have at least 1 thug underclass White cousin as well. Your point?

    Replies: @Twinkie, @V Vega, @anon, @Mr. Anon

    “And most middle class Whites have at least 1 thug underclass White cousin as well. Your point?”

    A ridiculous and stupid assertion – what we have come to expect from you.

  245. @Anonitron2
    @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...

    Criticisms of rap floated by people with no interest in the genre are mostly specious and always uninteresting - doubly so here, on this website, given a substantial segment of the commentariat assumes that because this is an HBD blog OF COURSE everyone reading it disdains all the products of black culture. That's incorrect, obviously, and even if you have a visceral hatred of rap music I hope you agree it's better to articulate that hatred from a position of greater knowledge, not lesser.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “……..given a substantial segment of the commentariat assumes that because this is an HBD blog OF COURSE everyone reading it disdains all the products of black culture. That’s incorrect, obviously, and even if you have a visceral hatred of rap music I hope you agree it’s better to articulate that hatred from a position of greater knowledge, not lesser.”

    Nonsense. Plenty of people here have said favorable things about the products of black culture – from back when it had some. Ragtime, jazz, soul, motown. There was a lot of good music there.

    But Rap isn’t music. It’s shit.

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    @Mr. Anon

    If there are two things that blacks as a group really are good at, in a positive sense, it's music and (certain aspects of) sports and athletics generally. Statistically, the numbers are impressive.

    Experienced music teachers can tell you about some of the black students they have had and what they were good at and not so good at, but certainly, there were and still are some very good black performers in all areas of demanding music performance, and they tend to be better than their white peers at certain things and sometimes not as good at others.

    Still, Basie, Ellington, Nat King Cole, and the rest were a minority of a minority. Most blacks aren't especially good at music, just as most whites aren't either, but a greater percentage of blacks perform higher on musically relevant metrics in relation to their overall cognitive abilities than do whites.

    And this is no reflection on the ability of the abovenamed individuals to run a society, either. Then again, would you want to live in a country with the average white musician running it? Perhaps musical talent overall correlates negatively with good governance aptitude.

  246. @Mr. Anon
    @Anonitron2

    "........given a substantial segment of the commentariat assumes that because this is an HBD blog OF COURSE everyone reading it disdains all the products of black culture. That’s incorrect, obviously, and even if you have a visceral hatred of rap music I hope you agree it’s better to articulate that hatred from a position of greater knowledge, not lesser."

    Nonsense. Plenty of people here have said favorable things about the products of black culture - from back when it had some. Ragtime, jazz, soul, motown. There was a lot of good music there.

    But Rap isn't music. It's shit.

    Replies: @Former Darfur

    If there are two things that blacks as a group really are good at, in a positive sense, it’s music and (certain aspects of) sports and athletics generally. Statistically, the numbers are impressive.

    Experienced music teachers can tell you about some of the black students they have had and what they were good at and not so good at, but certainly, there were and still are some very good black performers in all areas of demanding music performance, and they tend to be better than their white peers at certain things and sometimes not as good at others.

    Still, Basie, Ellington, Nat King Cole, and the rest were a minority of a minority. Most blacks aren’t especially good at music, just as most whites aren’t either, but a greater percentage of blacks perform higher on musically relevant metrics in relation to their overall cognitive abilities than do whites.

    And this is no reflection on the ability of the abovenamed individuals to run a society, either. Then again, would you want to live in a country with the average white musician running it? Perhaps musical talent overall correlates negatively with good governance aptitude.

  247. @LKM
    @anon

    So knock a year off a young black criminal's sentence if he agrees to a vasectomy?

    Replies: @Former Darfur, @anonymous-antimarxist, @anon

    In some cases offer him more than that. Making black male fertility a one time get out of jail card might make a ‘Vas Deferens’ to social wellness….;-)

  248. @LKM
    @anon

    So knock a year off a young black criminal's sentence if he agrees to a vasectomy?

    Replies: @Former Darfur, @anonymous-antimarxist, @anon

    Vasalgel/Risug is a reversible chemical vasectomy that could be used on violent young men as a condition of their parole. Stay out of trouble, and the vasectomy can be reversed. In the rare case that there are complications they could be paid a settlement.

    It would take many sociopaths out of the gene pool.

  249. @Chicago Girl
    Haven't seen this here yet:

    https://www.propublica.org/article/machine-bias-risk-assessments-in-criminal-sentencing

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/24/us/armed-with-data-chicago-police-try-to-predict-who-may-shoot-or-be-shot.html

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Because I think Steve would be leery of anything originating in Herb and Marion Sandler’s little propaganda shop, ProPublica.

  250. @Brutusale
    @V Vega

    I would hazard a guess that America's most famous Dominican, David "Big Papi" Ortiz, is fairly representative of Dominican melanin levels.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/3748/david-ortiz

    Replies: @Jack D

    To be honest, no. Dominicans fall on a spectrum from 0 to 100% black. As a wild ass guess I would say the average is something like 50/50 – less among the elites (who are usually not 100% white either, but whitish), more among the lower classes.

  251. @V Vega
    @Corvinus


    “Middle Class white with large family here. No thugs. The idea of prison is out of the question for us.”

    Then you are the exception. My salutations.
     
    Wrong. Not only are no people in my extended family thugs, nobody I know is, or has been in prison.

    “Are you black?”

    No, I’m American.
     
    Dodgy. I like it.

    “Hint: it’s kind of difficult to maintain a middle class lifestyle when you have family thugs bandying about.”

    Not if those thugs live far away and/or are incarcerated.
     
    Wrong again, Sparky. If you're a financially coherent black, you can move out of state, and those Section 8 vouchers allow your relatives to camp out in your general vicinity. Also, an excellent meeting ground for poor dumb blacks to make connections with more successful blacks to sponge off of would be the local church.

    That's also a great choice for blacks riding on a bogus disability claim to meet up with people who are interested in buying the prescription drugs they're issued by their doctor, but don't consume.

    You must not be very involved with black life to not know about the role of the black church in facilitating welfare fraud in general, and meeting up with potential customers in particular.

    Haven't you noticed those black "ministers" who get arrested once in a while who are up to their chins in seedy shit? From pimping, to fraud, etc.

    Think of what their "parishioners" are up to.

    Note to readers: if you want to stick a crowbar into the spokes of dysfunctional black culture, start with aggressively addressing the rampant welfare fraud, and the seedy sidewalk churches.

    I would suggest building some new prison facilities before you start. They'll be filling up fast.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Wrong. Not only are no people in my extended family thugs, nobody I know is, or has been in prison.”

    Great, doesn’t mean your experience is the rule rather than the exception.

    “Dodgy. I like it.”

    Actually, I’m white. Some commenters here, however, would call me anti-white, whatever that means.

    “If you’re a financially coherent black, you can move out of state, and those Section 8 vouchers allow your relatives to camp out in your general vicinity. Also, an excellent meeting ground for poor dumb blacks to make connections with more successful blacks to sponge off of would be the local church.”

    I wonder who indoctrinated you.

    “You must not be very involved with black life to not know about the role of the black church in facilitating welfare fraud in general, and meeting up with potential customers in particular.”

    I’m sure you have plenty of links to back up your claim.

    “Haven’t you noticed those black “ministers” who get arrested once in a while who are up to their chins in seedy shit? From pimping, to fraud, etc.”

    Just as bad as whites posing as “members of the cloth”.

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-fake-priest-bogus-trips-pope-francis-lapd–20160202-story.html

  252. @Jefferson
    @David In TN

    "Other “major” news organizations are similarly irony-challenged. The Los Angeles Times criticized “the lack of attention” to the black victims of black serial killer Lonnie Franklin. Who does the L.A. Times think is supposed to spotlight public issues in Southern California?"

    If Lonnie Franklin was a White male serial killer who went around murdering Black females, it would be on the front page of The Los Angeles Times from now until election day.

    Notice the LA times didn't ask what if Lonnie was White scenario. Instead they just blame the lack of coverage of murdered Black females on racism from White people in the mainstream media. They should blame the lack of coverage from the mainstream media on them wanting to hide the fact that Black males commit a disproportionate number of the murders in this country.

    Replies: @David In TN

    Another MSM trope is wailing about “dead white girls” getting all the attention re crime news. They neglect to mention the perpetrator in those stories is always white.

    A murdered white girl is national news when the perp looks like Scott Peterson or Joran Van der Sloot. News about murdered black girls isn’t played up because they would have to show the perp, invariably black, and that won’t do.

    • Agree: Triumph104
    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @David In TN

    "A murdered white girl is national news when the perp looks like Scott Peterson or Joran Van der Sloot. News about murdered black girls isn’t played up because they would have to show the perp, invariably black, and that won’t do."

    There has never been any cases of a White serial killer murdering Black women. Even Jeffrey Dahmer only murdered Black men.

    I wonder why White serial killers stay away from Black women? Even Black female hookers and junkies they won't kill, let alone regular Black women.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer, @David In TN, @Dahlia

  253. But the near-daily shootings that wound or kill several victims — a relatively small subset of the shootings that kill nearly 11,000 people and wound roughly 60,000 more each year

    I question those numbers because we know that most shooting “victims” are suicides and propaganda outlets like the NYT ALWAYS lie about the numbers and statistics of any type of “crime” that involves guns. They don’t just lie sometimes, they lie EVRYTIME they publish an article about “gun violence”.

  254. Suicidal mass shootings can be divided into two categories: domestic, which don’t get much publicity, and the Columbine-type, which get immense coverage. The latter go on longer than the non-suicidal mass shootings, which sometimes allow for television coverage as they are happening, they probably have increased in numbers over the last two generations, and they generate a lot of metacoverage about what to do about them. But they are still quite rare, fortunately.

    Lying liars lie and they use statistics. Here is the take down on this BS paragraph (notice I am using a leftwing propaganda outlet as a source for the truth just in case anyone thinks this is a conservative bias):

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2012/12/17/graph-of-the-day-perhaps-mass-shootings-arent-becoming-more-common/

  255. @anonymous-antimarxist
    @anon

    Exactly!!!!

    I have been trying to make points like yours for years on this blog.

    The criminologist James Q. Wilson along with the top FBI researchers have noted that the eugenic hypergamous marriage/birth patterns among Italian/Irish/Jewish gangsters played a significant role in the decline of their respective gang/mafia crime behaviors in just two or three generations.

    On the other hand as mentioned above the dindu Sam Dubose shot by the University of Cincinnati police officer had 13 kids by 11 baby momas. Ant that is only what we know for now.

    That means that in the typical black ghetto beta males who have at least the intelligence and conscientiousness to hold down a service job are being displaced in the gene pool by thugs at a rapid rate.

    It explains the ubiquitous "Paternity???" billboards outside of large employers of black men who work night shifts for UPS/Amazon/Postal Service .....

    Any sane welfare policy as a cornerstone of its goals would promote better sperm selection by single black women.

    Replies: @anon, @Ivy

    In a nutshell yes – and they would too if they knew; they might still have sex with the gangstas but they’d get pregnant by the UPS guy.

  256. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    @anon

    You'd try and make sure less violent males had the competitive advantage not the most violent.

    Okay. How?

    Replies: @anon

    full employment combined with a criminal justice system built around longer sentences for previous convictions

    (most countries did this years ago – there was almost no chance of someone having 40 convictions because after the first half dozen they were gone for good)

    in particular don’t allow gangs to rule poor areas – which in particular means stop treating young offenders leniently – it’s the worst thing you can do because it enhances their intimidation power

    3 strikes and you’re out (but with an age cutoff of say 24 ish so 3 strikes as a teen still get out at 24)

  257. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @LKM
    @anon

    So knock a year off a young black criminal's sentence if he agrees to a vasectomy?

    Replies: @Former Darfur, @anonymous-antimarxist, @anon

    That’s one way.

    Personally I come from a background where 50%+ of the boys will do something that gets them a criminal record during peak testosterone years (say age 14-24 or whatever) but they’re solid family men once they’re past that phase so I’d make a distinction for that age group.

    something like 3 strikes and you’re out till 24-26 ish but then let out

    keep them out of the gene pool during that phase but only permanently if they’re still like it even after peak testosterone.

    • Replies: @JSM
    @anon

    ersonally I come from a background where 50%+ of the boys will do something that gets them a criminal record during peak testosterone years (say age 14-24 or whatever) but they’re solid family men once they’re past that phase so I’d make a distinction for that age group.

    Wouldn't we all be better off if the 50% of males who do something to get themselves a criminal record ages 14-24, but become solid family men after, if those guys didn't actually become fathers, since their sons will likely continue the pattern of criminal record ages 14-24?

    Wouldn't we all be better off if the 50% of males who DON'T do something to get themselves a criminal record ages 14-24, and become solid family men after, if THOSE men were the ones who were fathering the next gen of boys, who then also go on to NOT do something to get them a criminal record ages 14-25, and become solid family men after?

  258. anon • Disclaimer says:

    “how”

    to put it all together

    1) the blank slate is a lie and reality is just like dog breeding – so if you marry someone stupid and violent your kids are more likely to be stupid and violent; if you marry someone smart and steady then your kids are more likely to be smart and steady. tell women that and where they have a choice they’ll choose accordingly.

    2) increase the odds of that choice with full employment so the working man type can compete better financially

    3) stomp gang culture so 14 year old girls get to choose rather than have the choice made for them. in particular treatment of juveniles has to be the opposite of what it is now – you specifically want to get the gangstas out of the gene pool when they’re young

    3a) caveat to that, crime (imo) is criminal traits x testosterone so the kid who’s a total jerk at 15 will often be the guy who at 35 saves you from a baddie who’s still a jerk at 35

  259. @res
    @Buffalo Joe

    Buffalo Joe, can you give any sense of the editorial tilt of “Bullwhip Days”? With that many narratives (the book is sourced from the WPA records Keller mentioned) it is easy to pick and choose to promote an agenda. The reviews on Amazon make me think it is fairly balanced, but PC is so pervasive (even in 1988 when the book was written) that I wonder.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Buffalo Joe

    res, I don’t see an editorial bent to the narratives, but I wasn’t looking for one either. The book, which I own, is comprised of narratives by former slaves. The WPA writers or rather interviewers may or may not have made changes to what they collected. The book is worth reading just to get a sense of what slaves lived through. Some parts are emotional, some humorous. Some slaves were deliriously happy to be free , some feared the unknown life of freedom and change that awaited them. Buy the book, you won’t be sorry that you did. You can open to any sub heading or chapter and read a segment in minutes…an easy read . You will also learn, contrary to what a poster wrote, that slave children started to work at age four, 14 seems to be the age most often mentioned.

  260. @Triumph104
    I'm black and you are right. There is a large segment of blacks that just make up their own reality. It allows them to normalize and continue with their stupid and demented behavior. They say, "Well, white people do it too". Most, if not all, of the "church fight" videos on YouTube happen at black churches. They probably think that YouTube is taking down all of the white church fight videos and leaving up the black ones.

    Blacks are very impressionable. Prior to the 1960s blacks had a higher marriage rate than whites because marriage was deemed as a societal norm. The black family was destroyed in the 1960s when sexual liberation, welfare, feminism, and divorce became societal norms and blacks engaged in these practices at a higher rate than whites.

    There is also an industrial complex catering to this type of thinking. SJWs tell blacks that they only reason they do poorly in school is because the white teacher doesn't believe in them. Standardized test companies make billions "attempting" to close the black-white achievement gap.

    Lee Kuan Yew didn't believe people were equal and it saved Singapore billions.

    https://youtu.be/FxaBCg72hxs

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

    Prior to the 1960s blacks had a higher marriage rate than whites because marriage was deemed as a societal norm.

    Actually…

    1938:
    1938 …, … 11 percent of black children and 3 percent of white children were born to unwed mothers

    11% / 3% = 3.76x

    2012:
    72.3 percent of non-Hispanic blacks are now born out-of-wedlock… 29.1 percent of non-Hispanic whites

    72% / 29% = 2.48x

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Nope.

    Black women today have nearly four times the abortion rate as white women.

    I would also hazard a guess that compared to white women, a black woman in 1938 was far less likely to have access to condoms or abortion services, or be forced into a shotgun marriage before the baby was born.

  261. David: yeah I can think of a few white women who were victims of horrific crimes which were swept right under the rug by the media. I’m sure the black perps had nothing to do with it.

  262. I’m shocked that Corvinus didn’t demand Dubois’ sources for his dubious claims. Consider this to be me doing his job for him.

    While I’m at it, I’d like to see Corvinus’ source for his assertion that “ALL” criminals go to prison. In fact, I’d like to see him start backing up ALL of his assertions with hard data.

  263. @anonymous-antimarxist
    @anon

    Exactly!!!!

    I have been trying to make points like yours for years on this blog.

    The criminologist James Q. Wilson along with the top FBI researchers have noted that the eugenic hypergamous marriage/birth patterns among Italian/Irish/Jewish gangsters played a significant role in the decline of their respective gang/mafia crime behaviors in just two or three generations.

    On the other hand as mentioned above the dindu Sam Dubose shot by the University of Cincinnati police officer had 13 kids by 11 baby momas. Ant that is only what we know for now.

    That means that in the typical black ghetto beta males who have at least the intelligence and conscientiousness to hold down a service job are being displaced in the gene pool by thugs at a rapid rate.

    It explains the ubiquitous "Paternity???" billboards outside of large employers of black men who work night shifts for UPS/Amazon/Postal Service .....

    Any sane welfare policy as a cornerstone of its goals would promote better sperm selection by single black women.

    Replies: @anon, @Ivy

    The demand side of that equation must have some unusual variables! Perhaps grant money is available for a research paper, although the field work could be problematic.

  264. @Alfa158
    @Corvinus

    No, Fredsays is not the exception, most of us White middle class people have no thug cousins. (In my case sadly, for some reason about half my cousins are left wing lawyers. I wish they were thugs.)
    Your comments make me think you are Black. It is human nature to believe that everyone else is mostly just like you. Most Black people are not criminals just like most White people aren't, it is amateur of difference in percentages. But Black people do know a lot of criminal relatives and as a result I have talked to Blacks who are convinced that White people must surely commit crimes at the same rate as Blacks, and therefore they just get away with it. I remember one woman insisting to me that White people get murdered at the same rate as Blacks, but the racist authorities cover it up by changing the cause on death certificates from homicide to auto accident.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Buffalo Joe

    Alfa158, regarding your lawyer cousins. Philadelphia has more lawyers than any other major American city. Oakland has more black males than any other major American city. The point: Oakland had first choice.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Buffalo Joe

    "A Philadelphia lawyer" used to be a term you'd hear, but I never knew what it implied.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Boomstick

  265. @res
    @Buffalo Joe

    Buffalo Joe, can you give any sense of the editorial tilt of “Bullwhip Days”? With that many narratives (the book is sourced from the WPA records Keller mentioned) it is easy to pick and choose to promote an agenda. The reviews on Amazon make me think it is fairly balanced, but PC is so pervasive (even in 1988 when the book was written) that I wonder.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Buffalo Joe

    Res, I replied before but I don’t know what happened. I see no editorial bent to the narratives. Buy the book, a very easy read and quite informative. I own the book and read parts of it every now and then.

  266. @Buffalo Joe
    @Alfa158

    Alfa158, regarding your lawyer cousins. Philadelphia has more lawyers than any other major American city. Oakland has more black males than any other major American city. The point: Oakland had first choice.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    “A Philadelphia lawyer” used to be a term you’d hear, but I never knew what it implied.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Steve Sailer

    The original "Philadelphia lawyer"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Hamilton_(lawyer)

    although he was not really from Philly.

    , @Boomstick
    @Steve Sailer

    An smarty-pants lawyer well versed in the technical ins and outs of the law. He'd get you off on a technicality, or win your case because of an ambiguity in section I.23.(c).ii, which no one had laid eyes on since 1795.

  267. @David In TN
    @Jefferson

    Another MSM trope is wailing about "dead white girls" getting all the attention re crime news. They neglect to mention the perpetrator in those stories is always white.

    A murdered white girl is national news when the perp looks like Scott Peterson or Joran Van der Sloot. News about murdered black girls isn't played up because they would have to show the perp, invariably black, and that won't do.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “A murdered white girl is national news when the perp looks like Scott Peterson or Joran Van der Sloot. News about murdered black girls isn’t played up because they would have to show the perp, invariably black, and that won’t do.”

    There has never been any cases of a White serial killer murdering Black women. Even Jeffrey Dahmer only murdered Black men.

    I wonder why White serial killers stay away from Black women? Even Black female hookers and junkies they won’t kill, let alone regular Black women.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Jefferson

    "There has never been any cases of a White serial killer murdering Black women."

    In the wake of the Grim Sleeper arrest, an analysis of old cases showed that there were four other serial killers operating in South Central Los Angeles around 1990, murdering crack whores. One of them was white.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    , @Steve Sailer
    @Jefferson

    "There has never been any cases of a White serial killer murdering Black women."

    In the wake of the Grim Sleeper arrest, an analysis of old cases showed that there were four other serial killers operating in South Central Los Angeles around 1990, murdering crack whores. One of them was white.

    Replies: @SPMoore8

    , @David In TN
    @Jefferson

    With the sole exception of O.J. Simpson, no black on white murder trial has ever been played up by the MSM as a national morality play. And as Jeffrey Toobin wrote in his book, reporters mostly picked away at the prosecution case and never mentioned the evidence against Simpson was "simply overwhelming."

    If Laci Peterson had been raped and murdered by a black perpetrator, it would have been a local story only. Her husband Scott, on the other hand, made an ideal Great White Defendant.

    Speaking of Simpson, the Fox series and especially the upcoming ESPN farce promote the idea that it was a Great Thing for Simpson to get away with a double murder.

    , @Dahlia
    @Jefferson

    Gary Heidnik, one of the people the Buffalo Bill character was based off, only victimized black women. Not sure if race was salient, as most or all, were prostitutes. But there were six of them.
    They say he was wanting a harem to impregnate, but was unsuccessful. Brutal torturer and murdered two of them.
    https://www.google.com/#q=gary+heidnik

  268. @keypusher
    @Jefferson

    Dude, I lived in Santo Domingo for two years and I live in Washington Heights now. I don't need instruction on Dominican physiognomy.

    It varies.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Jefferson

    “Dude, I lived in Santo Domingo for two years and I live in Washington Heights now. I don’t need instruction on Dominican physiognomy.

    It varies.”

    Nobody in New York City would ever mistake Steve Sailer for a Dominican, so don’t give me that it varies crap. There is definitely a Dominican look and it is a look that would have been racially discriminated against in Jim Crow South.

  269. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Triumph104



    Prior to the 1960s blacks had a higher marriage rate than whites because marriage was deemed as a societal norm.

     

    Actually...

    1938:
    1938 ..., ... 11 percent of black children and 3 percent of white children were born to unwed mothers

    11% / 3% = 3.76x

    2012:
    72.3 percent of non-Hispanic blacks are now born out-of-wedlock... 29.1 percent of non-Hispanic whites

    72% / 29% = 2.48x

    Replies: @Triumph104

    Nope.

    Black women today have nearly four times the abortion rate as white women.

    I would also hazard a guess that compared to white women, a black woman in 1938 was far less likely to have access to condoms or abortion services, or be forced into a shotgun marriage before the baby was born.

  270. @keypusher
    @Jefferson

    Dude, I lived in Santo Domingo for two years and I live in Washington Heights now. I don't need instruction on Dominican physiognomy.

    It varies.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Jefferson

    “Dude, I lived in Santo Domingo for two years and I live in Washington Heights now. I don’t need instruction on Dominican physiognomy.

    It varies.”

    The average Dominican is genetically 40 percent Sub Saharan African. How do you think such a Dominican would have been racially treated in Jim Crow South?

    And keep in mind that 40 percent Sub Saharan African admixture is a hell of a lot more than just one drop of Black blood. Nobody with that high amount if SSA DNA will have a phenotype that falls within the White/Whitish passing range. They are not going to look like famous passers like J. Edgar Hoover and Anatole Broyard.

  271. @Steve Sailer
    @Buffalo Joe

    "A Philadelphia lawyer" used to be a term you'd hear, but I never knew what it implied.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Boomstick

    The original “Philadelphia lawyer”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Hamilton_(lawyer)

    although he was not really from Philly.

  272. @Jefferson
    @David In TN

    "A murdered white girl is national news when the perp looks like Scott Peterson or Joran Van der Sloot. News about murdered black girls isn’t played up because they would have to show the perp, invariably black, and that won’t do."

    There has never been any cases of a White serial killer murdering Black women. Even Jeffrey Dahmer only murdered Black men.

    I wonder why White serial killers stay away from Black women? Even Black female hookers and junkies they won't kill, let alone regular Black women.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer, @David In TN, @Dahlia

    “There has never been any cases of a White serial killer murdering Black women.”

    In the wake of the Grim Sleeper arrest, an analysis of old cases showed that there were four other serial killers operating in South Central Los Angeles around 1990, murdering crack whores. One of them was white.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Steve Sailer

    "In the wake of the Grim Sleeper arrest, an analysis of old cases showed that there were four other serial killers operating in South Central Los Angeles around 1990, murdering crack whores. One of them was white."

    A White guy hanging out in South Central Los Angeles neighborhoods full of Black crackheads would stick out like a sore thumb. How was a Pale Male able to commit so many murders in this Straight Outta Compton type of environment and not get caught?

    Replies: @David In TN

  273. @Jefferson
    @David In TN

    "A murdered white girl is national news when the perp looks like Scott Peterson or Joran Van der Sloot. News about murdered black girls isn’t played up because they would have to show the perp, invariably black, and that won’t do."

    There has never been any cases of a White serial killer murdering Black women. Even Jeffrey Dahmer only murdered Black men.

    I wonder why White serial killers stay away from Black women? Even Black female hookers and junkies they won't kill, let alone regular Black women.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer, @David In TN, @Dahlia

    “There has never been any cases of a White serial killer murdering Black women.”

    In the wake of the Grim Sleeper arrest, an analysis of old cases showed that there were four other serial killers operating in South Central Los Angeles around 1990, murdering crack whores. One of them was white.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @Steve Sailer

    It looks like about a quarter of the Green River Killer's (Gary Ridgway's) victims were black (about 50 victims). I'm sure there were others; there was one in Philly back in the '80's.

    http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/24/47/20/5403651/5/920x920.jpg

  274. @Steve Sailer
    @Jefferson

    "There has never been any cases of a White serial killer murdering Black women."

    In the wake of the Grim Sleeper arrest, an analysis of old cases showed that there were four other serial killers operating in South Central Los Angeles around 1990, murdering crack whores. One of them was white.

    Replies: @SPMoore8

    It looks like about a quarter of the Green River Killer’s (Gary Ridgway’s) victims were black (about 50 victims). I’m sure there were others; there was one in Philly back in the ’80’s.

  275. @Steve Sailer
    @Jefferson

    "There has never been any cases of a White serial killer murdering Black women."

    In the wake of the Grim Sleeper arrest, an analysis of old cases showed that there were four other serial killers operating in South Central Los Angeles around 1990, murdering crack whores. One of them was white.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “In the wake of the Grim Sleeper arrest, an analysis of old cases showed that there were four other serial killers operating in South Central Los Angeles around 1990, murdering crack whores. One of them was white.”

    A White guy hanging out in South Central Los Angeles neighborhoods full of Black crackheads would stick out like a sore thumb. How was a Pale Male able to commit so many murders in this Straight Outta Compton type of environment and not get caught?

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Jefferson

    "A White guy hanging out in South Central Los Angeles neighborhoods full of Black crackheads would stick out like a sore thumb."

    Didn't he only have one victim? The black serial killers operating in South Central averaged a dozen or so victims each.

  276. @Steve Sailer
    @Buffalo Joe

    "A Philadelphia lawyer" used to be a term you'd hear, but I never knew what it implied.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Boomstick

    An smarty-pants lawyer well versed in the technical ins and outs of the law. He’d get you off on a technicality, or win your case because of an ambiguity in section I.23.(c).ii, which no one had laid eyes on since 1795.

  277. @Jefferson
    @Steve Sailer

    "In the wake of the Grim Sleeper arrest, an analysis of old cases showed that there were four other serial killers operating in South Central Los Angeles around 1990, murdering crack whores. One of them was white."

    A White guy hanging out in South Central Los Angeles neighborhoods full of Black crackheads would stick out like a sore thumb. How was a Pale Male able to commit so many murders in this Straight Outta Compton type of environment and not get caught?

    Replies: @David In TN

    “A White guy hanging out in South Central Los Angeles neighborhoods full of Black crackheads would stick out like a sore thumb.”

    Didn’t he only have one victim? The black serial killers operating in South Central averaged a dozen or so victims each.

  278. @Jefferson
    @David In TN

    "A murdered white girl is national news when the perp looks like Scott Peterson or Joran Van der Sloot. News about murdered black girls isn’t played up because they would have to show the perp, invariably black, and that won’t do."

    There has never been any cases of a White serial killer murdering Black women. Even Jeffrey Dahmer only murdered Black men.

    I wonder why White serial killers stay away from Black women? Even Black female hookers and junkies they won't kill, let alone regular Black women.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer, @David In TN, @Dahlia

    With the sole exception of O.J. Simpson, no black on white murder trial has ever been played up by the MSM as a national morality play. And as Jeffrey Toobin wrote in his book, reporters mostly picked away at the prosecution case and never mentioned the evidence against Simpson was “simply overwhelming.”

    If Laci Peterson had been raped and murdered by a black perpetrator, it would have been a local story only. Her husband Scott, on the other hand, made an ideal Great White Defendant.

    Speaking of Simpson, the Fox series and especially the upcoming ESPN farce promote the idea that it was a Great Thing for Simpson to get away with a double murder.

  279. Dahlia says:
    @Jefferson
    @David In TN

    "A murdered white girl is national news when the perp looks like Scott Peterson or Joran Van der Sloot. News about murdered black girls isn’t played up because they would have to show the perp, invariably black, and that won’t do."

    There has never been any cases of a White serial killer murdering Black women. Even Jeffrey Dahmer only murdered Black men.

    I wonder why White serial killers stay away from Black women? Even Black female hookers and junkies they won't kill, let alone regular Black women.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer, @David In TN, @Dahlia

    Gary Heidnik, one of the people the Buffalo Bill character was based off, only victimized black women. Not sure if race was salient, as most or all, were prostitutes. But there were six of them.
    They say he was wanting a harem to impregnate, but was unsuccessful. Brutal torturer and murdered two of them.
    https://www.google.com/#q=gary+heidnik

  280. JSM says:
    @anon
    @LKM

    That's one way.

    Personally I come from a background where 50%+ of the boys will do something that gets them a criminal record during peak testosterone years (say age 14-24 or whatever) but they're solid family men once they're past that phase so I'd make a distinction for that age group.

    something like 3 strikes and you're out till 24-26 ish but then let out

    keep them out of the gene pool during that phase but only permanently if they're still like it even after peak testosterone.

    Replies: @JSM

    ersonally I come from a background where 50%+ of the boys will do something that gets them a criminal record during peak testosterone years (say age 14-24 or whatever) but they’re solid family men once they’re past that phase so I’d make a distinction for that age group.

    Wouldn’t we all be better off if the 50% of males who do something to get themselves a criminal record ages 14-24, but become solid family men after, if those guys didn’t actually become fathers, since their sons will likely continue the pattern of criminal record ages 14-24?

    Wouldn’t we all be better off if the 50% of males who DON’T do something to get themselves a criminal record ages 14-24, and become solid family men after, if THOSE men were the ones who were fathering the next gen of boys, who then also go on to NOT do something to get them a criminal record ages 14-25, and become solid family men after?

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