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Since the Black Lives Matter riot in Milwaukee a week and a half ago, there have been numerous journalistic attempts to explain why blacks perform so badly in Wisconsin.
I offered my explanation in Taki’s Magazine last week:
– Short term, it’s the usual Ferguson Effect of BLM crusading against the police department leading to blacks shooting each other in vast numbers.
– Long term, it’s the result of Wisconsin’s naive experiment with liberal welfare payments in 1970-85 luring in the laziest people from Mississippi and Chicago.
In contrast, here are a couple of attempts since then by the New York Times:
When Police Don’t Live in the City They Serve
By JOHN ELIGON and KAY NOLAN AUG. 18, 2016MILWAUKEE — The split-second law enforcement decision of when to pull the trigger often comes down to perception. Is that person acting suspiciously? Is he or she a threat?
And so much of the criticism of the police that has roiled the country over the past couple of years has centered on whether officers know the communities they patrol and understand the culture of the people who live in them.
It is a question that residents have been particularly passionate about here since the Wisconsin Supreme Court in June upheld a state law that eliminated a requirement that Milwaukee police officers live in the city.
Some African-American residents worry that eliminating the requirement will only worsen a long-strained relationship between black communities and the police. The fractured relationship has been on display over the past week after the fatal police shooting of an armed black man, Sylville K. Smith, led to explosive street demonstrations.
Keyon Jackson-Malone, a resident of the city’s predominantly black north side, said he feared that without a residency requirement, people would start coming from farther and farther away to serve as Milwaukee police officers. The metropolitan area’s suburbs and exurbs are among the whitest in the country, and some have a rural feel.
“There’s some white people that actually only know black people by what they’ve ever heard,” Mr. Jackson-Malone said. “There’s no experience. There’s no, ‘I went to school with 30 of them.’ ”
Rather, he added: “There’s a lot of: ‘I’m in fear of my life. They’re superhuman. They’re animals. They’re savage.’ A person that’s lived up north all their life has never had to come to the inner city, but he’s going to police this kid. He don’t understand about, Mama may be on drugs. He don’t have no empathy for the situation.” …
As it turns out, the officer involved in the shooting last week was black and lived in Milwaukee, so his residency or understanding of the community might not have been an issue.
Okay … so scratch that attempt.
So then they came back with:
Affluent and Black, and Still Trapped by Segregation
Why well-off black families end up living in poorer areas
than white families with similar or even lower incomes.By JOHN ELIGON and ROBERT GEBELOFF AUG. 20, 2016
MILWAUKEE — Their daughter was sick and they needed family around to help care for her, so JoAnne and Maanaan Sabir took an unexpected detour.
They had spent years blowing past mileposts: earning advanced degrees and six-figure incomes, buying a 2,500-square-foot Victorian with hardwood floors. Yet here they were, both 37, moving to a corner of town pocked by empty lots, cramming into an apartment above Ms. Sabir’s mother, in the very duplex that Ms. Sabir’s grandparents had bought six decades earlier.
Their new dwelling was in a part of the Lindsay Heights neighborhood where more than one in three families lives in poverty; gunshots were too often a part of the nighttime soundtrack. They planned to leave once their daughter, Ameera, was healthy.
But then, reminding them of why they feel at home in communities like this one, their new neighbors started frequently checking on Ameera: Is she doing O.K.? And on their son, Taj: When’s his next basketball game? Mr. Sabir’s car stalled in the middle of the street one night, and it was the young men too often stereotyped as suspicious who helped him push it home. So many welcoming black faces like their own, they thought.
“It felt like that’s where we should be,” Ms. Sabir said.
Now, two years later, Ameera, 14, is healthy. And the Sabirs have not left. They have, in fact, only strengthened their resolve to stay after a fatal police shooting last weekend led to fiery unrest that was also fueled by frustrations over race and segregation. Rooted where they are, the Sabirs point to a broad yet little explored fact of American segregation: Affluent black families, freed from the restrictions of low income, often end up living in poor and segregated communities anyway.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
We’re always being told that white flight occurred because whites succumb to irrational Stereotypes about blacks being crime prone, so, logically, these black families are saving a bundle by living by in safe yet low rent neighborhoods. You could, for example, save your money on housing and send your kids to private school.
I guess, however, because the NYT describes black neighborhoods as “segregated” it mean it’s a bad thing. “Segregated” is the mirror image of “diverse,” which is a good thing. NFL starting cornerbacks are “diverse,” while East St. Louis is “segregated.”
Well, whatever it is, it’s white people’s fault:
It is a national phenomenon challenging the popular assumption that segregation is more about class than about race, that when black families earn more money, some ideal of post-racial integration will inevitably be reached.
In fact, a New York Times analysis of 2014 census figures shows that income alone cannot explain, nor would it likely end, the segregation that has defined American cities and suburbs for generations.
The choices that black families make today are inevitably constrained by a legacy of racism that prevented their ancestors from buying quality housing and then passing down wealth that might have allowed today’s generation to move into more stable communities.
For example, there’s no quality housing in the Austin neighborhood on the West Side of Chicago. It’s been falling apart ever since blacks started moving in 49 years ago.
Sure, the original housing stock in Austin wasn’t all that different from across the Austin Avenue in Oak Park, but that’s not what we mean by “quality.” What we mean by “quality” is that the people living in the housing have enough wealth and determination to be able to get away from poor people. The working definition of a poor person in modern America is somebody who can’t afford to get away from other poor people.
In Oak Park, they stayed away from poor people, so that’s “quality.” In Austin they didn’t so that’s “not quality.”
And even when black households try to cross color boundaries, they are not always met with open arms: Studies have shown that white people prefer to live in communities where there are fewer black people, regardless of their income.
The result: Nationally, black and white families of similar incomes still live in separate worlds.
In many of America’s largest metropolitan areas, including New York, Chicago and Los Angeles, black families making $100,000 or more are more likely to live in poorer neighborhoods than even white households making less than $25,000. This is particularly true in areas with a long history of residential segregation, like metropolitan Milwaukee.
In one neighborhood on Milwaukee’s predominantly black north side, that means the appearance of a new 4,000-square-foot home owned by a black energy executive and her husband, who host political fund-raisers with valet parking. Nearby, a financial adviser and his wife are stuck in the starter home they bought about 10 years ago, because it lost value and they couldn’t sell it. Up the street, there’s an engineer, living with her family, who said she stayed in the city for its amenities and to send the message, “We didn’t want to run away.”
The Sabirs share that mix of civic-minded motivation, and limitations. They are successful small-business owners with college degrees, yet even their choices have been circumscribed. The Victorian home they bought a decade ago, which they are now renting out, is in a majority black neighborhood where poverty has increased, damaging their investment.
In other words, blacks tend to be bad for property values, just like all those horrible racists told my in-laws in the Austin neighborhood in 1967. They didn’t believe them, but when they finally moved out in 1970 after three felonies against their family, losing half their net worth, they admitted that maybe the bigots had had a point.
Their current neighborhood, where the duplex is, has a median household income of just $34,000 a year, or around $20,000 less than what’s typical for the region.
It’s one of many ways that living around people whom they best relate to means wrestling day and night with the cumulative effects of racism.
The burning cars and buildings, the people throwing rocks and bottles at police officers in riot gear — it was all happening last Saturday as Maanaan and JoAnne Sabir were settling in for the night just a few miles down the road.
The 23-year-old man who had been shot by a black officer had ignored orders to drop a gun as he fled on foot after being pulled over in his car, the police said.
As his wife flicked through accounts of the raucous uprising on social media, Mr. Sabir could not help but think that the public response was years in the making. It was Milwaukee’s — America’s — history and maintenance of racist policies, through housing discrimination, divestment of black communities, and policing, all coming to a head.
“You’re asking us to do the impossible, which is to tolerate a systemic demoralization of our own livelihood,” Mr. Sabir said.
Black families in Milwaukee have been confronting hostility for decades. Zeddie Quitman Hyler directly challenged housing segregation in 1955 when he began laying the foundation for a house on an open patch of land in the white western suburb of Wauwatosa.
For the usual reasons, the 48 years since the Fair Housing Act of 1968 aren’t relevant to 2016. The New Deal era is what really counts. America is like a Superman movie. Not much has really changed since FDR’s funeral.
… While Mr. Hyler was branching out, Ms. Sabir’s grandparents found themselves falling into the familiar cycle of segregation. Migrants from the South, they spent about 10 years trying to buy a house at a time when black families were overtly steered to particular blocks. Eventually, a family member who was a real estate agent worked her connections, and they landed the duplex on the corner of North 17th Street and North Avenue in the mid-1950s. The neighborhood was evolving from one that had been flush with synagogues and restaurants selling matzo ball soup.
They were caught in the middle of white flight.
The census tract where Ms. Sabir’s grandparents settled was entirely white in 1950 except for the two people that the census listed as black and the six listed as “other.” By 1960, however, 2,344 black people called the area home, accounting for 65 percent of its population.
White Flight is the main form of ethnic cleansing in which we all agree to blame the victims.
Since the matzo ball soup fans who white flighted were motivated by irrational concerns, clearly they wound up punished by the marketm while the people who moved into the increasingly diverse yet safe and educationally strong neighborhood were rewarded by a big increase in home values.
Oh, wait …
Within a few years, Milwaukee’s economy would start tanking. Tens of thousands of manufacturing jobs in the city were eliminated. Property values fell, while housing policies made it nearly impossible for black families to obtain loans and move to the suburbs, where many jobs were being relocated.
That same pattern of redlining, in which banks choke off lending to minorities and minority communities, has shaped New York, Chicago and other cities, but the impact in Milwaukee proved especially severe, in part because black migrants began arriving in droves just as the economic structure that was supposed to buoy them was disappearing. The shifts ensured that no enclave for affluent black people was ever developed here.
That’s actually an interesting data point. In contrast, in 1979 I visited a really nice black neighborhood in Houston and in 1981 a really nice black neighborhood in Los Angeles. (I believe both are featured in the Ray Charles biopic Ray as places he’d lived in the 1950s and 1960s.) My guess is that places like that with upscale black neighborhoods tended to have been pioneered by Talented Tenth emigrants from the South fairly early in the 20th Century, while Milwaukee didn’t get many blacks until blue collar workers moved in after WWII, and then it was inundated by welfare mothers in the 1970s.
Black residents and leaders tried to fight back. In 1962, Vel Phillips, the city’s first black alderwoman, proposed a fair housing ordinance. Her colleagues voted unanimously against it four times in the 1960s.
Activists took to the streets in the summer of 1967 for 200 consecutive days of fair housing protests, and were sometimes greeted with racial slurs, eggs and rocks as they crossed the Menomonee River, via the 16th Street Viaduct, into the white South Side.
The Common Council eventually ratified a fair housing law in 1968, weeks after the federal government passed its landmark measure.
Okay, but 1968 was 48 years ago.
The racial dividing lines were already drawn, however, and barriers to black upward mobility remained. Even the neighborhood where the baseball slugger Hank Aaron moved in the late 1950s could not avoid a downward spiral. While the black population in the Rufus King area grew from 0.4 percent in 1960 to 89 percent in 1980, its median home value dropped from 9 percent above the city’s median to 23 percent below it, according to “Milwaukee: City of Neighborhoods,” a book by John Gurda.
Those historic dynamics of race and housing have not disappeared, either. As recently as 2006, a city government report found that affluent, nonwhite Milwaukeeans were 2.7 times likelier to be denied home loans than white people with similar incomes.
As we all know, the big problem with home loans in 2006 was too much discrimination against nonwhites. Angelo Mozilo was leaving thousand dollar bills on the sidewalk because he was so bigoted against nonwhites. The few financiers in 2006 who bet on nonwhites to pay back their mortgages got stinking rich, while the skeptics and cynics subsequently lost their shirts. See the movie The Big Short for details.
Milwaukee itself, which is nearly two-thirds nonwhite, has never elected a black mayor.
Whereas cities that elected a long stream of black mayors, like Detroit and New Orleans, have worked out well for blacks.
Taj and Ameera go to a Catholic private school in Milwaukee where most of the students are white, but return to a Muslim household in a neighborhood where most people look like them. Both environments present difficulties.
At school, the Sabir children have heard a teacher play down slavery, and classmates stereotype black neighborhoods as bad and drug infested. On their block, where the sidewalks are cracked and some empty lots have been turned into gardens, they occasionally see drugs and fights.
In other words, the stereotypes are truthful, which just makes them more hateful hate-filled.
Truth Is Hate.
Thus, as our Presidential frontrunner explains in her ongoing Conversation, it is the duty of all good Americans to hate the truth.
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“The neighborhood where slugger Hank Aaron moved in the 50s…”
Interestingly, the neighborhood where he moved in Atlanta went from upper-class white to upper-class black, and stayed that way. What was the difference? Non-sub-dividible houses? Big lots?
Interestingly, the neighborhood where he moved in Atlanta went from upper-class white to upper-class black, and stayed that way. What was the difference? Non-sub-dividible houses? Big lots?Replies: @Steve Sailer
Which neighborhoods will gentrify and which will not seems like a fascinating Big Data question for social scientists to take on, but mostly they don’t.
I go to the opera at the 100-year old German immigrant Ebell Club in Highland Park northeast of downtown Los Angeles. The Ebell Club is kind of a dump, but those old German carpenters sure understood acoustics. The Pacific Opera Project (POP) made their reputation about a half decade ago with a production of a modern day “La Boheme” set among Highland Park’s artsy hipsters.
But is Highland Park finally going to take off? The guys who run POP are a lot cooler than I am and they’ve been betting on Highland Park, but I don’t notice all that much improvement in the neighborhood from year to year. Granted, when I went to the opera in the spring, there was an art gallery down the street having a showing of neighbors’ paintings of Bernie Sanders, which is likely an auspicious sign of big money to come, but the the neighborhood is still kind of lousy.
Other parts of the Brooklyn had once been grand brownstone mansion neighborhoods that went into decline. Paradoxically, decline had preserved the bones of many of them because no one had money to tear out all that old fashioned mahogany woodwork and fancy plasterwork, etc. and put in nice modern 1950s formica. So when gentrifiers came, they just had to strip the paint and pull down the drop ceilings and the good stuff was waiting for them underneath .
But Bushwick was built as 19th century workers housing - our (rent controlled $42/month) apartment was in a walk up tenement with the bathtub in the kitchen. On the Lower East Side of NY they have something called the Tenement Museum which preserves a circa 1900 tenement - that's what this was like except with 60 more years of deferred maintenance. Half a block away on Broadway there was a elevated subway line - not an asset to have big trains rumbling overhead and the street below left in permanent darkness.
So I watched Bushwick over the decades. Nearby Bedford Stuyvesant was famous as a center of black militancy. When I went back in the late '70s our tenement was gone but its twin next door featured a hooded drug dealer type yoot hanging out on the doorstep. Generally Brooklyn was like a reverse Oreo - (some of) the edges were white but the center was pure black. But Brooklyn is now so white hot hipsterish that no neighborhood is safe from gentrification. In the last year or two, I have been seeing reviews in the NYT for cutting edge restaurants (the kind with promising young chefs who can't afford rent in already solidly gentrified neighborhoods) in Bushwick.
I figured you more for the "listening to Styx and Air Supply while you work, but only on it's original vinyl, because the newer formats compromise the acoustics" type of guy.
Nice evisceration Steve. You should take out the word “starting” in front of cornerback though.
One hears a lot about how residents in Ferguson righteously rioted in response to systemic injustices like racking up lots of civil fines (could have a point) to the black majority failing to elected very many blacks to the school board and town council (so what). Same thing with Milwaukee , Baltimore and elsewhere.
Unmentioned is that the behavior of these young revolutionaries destroyed what little appeal their neighborhoods had to start with and millions of dollars of whatever homeowner equity existed. Therefore there are thousands of people who cannot sell their properties at a price that makes sense so the option is to stay and try and ride it out or leave and rent elsewhere and rent out their homes to people willing to live in a high crime/high social dysfunction neighborhood.
This process has played out much more slowly in urban areas across the country – the societal tolerance of cultural dysfunction in black neighborhoods that is unlike any other segment of society means that high concentrations of working to lower class blacks means property values will drop off a cliff as surely as the sun sets in the west. The left has for decades demanded non-judgment of dysfunctional behavior from its most treasured part of its base, and we can see the results. Now they are trying to peddle the narrative that it’s a collection of racist policies that haven’t existed for half a century or more that has made black neighborhoods hellholes, but even the most ardent black political voices (TNC, Spike Lee) don’t want to live in “real” black neighborhoods either if they can help it.
And if blacks are generally more comfortable living with other blacks (as I've observed) and whites with whites etc., then the free market will produce a segregated outcome. Is that a good thing? YES! because pretty much everyone is happy, except those who say segregation is automatically bad.
Or want to use it as an excuse for further guilting, demands for free stuff, etc. But most black people just want to live with people like them and not have trouble. And since property values are lower, they can get more house for their money there. It's not a "legacy of racism" or other such dreary &*()_, but a way to get more for their money.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jefferson
East Garfield Park in Chicago is touted as the next “hot” neighborhood in a lot of real estate publications. It is Chicago’s version of the South Bronx. If it were to become hot and gentrified could the rest of Garfield Park and even Austin be far behind? Austin could, at that point, see gentrifiers move in from east and west.
This furriner finds it a bit of a puzzle. I can see that Trump might gain from the votes of frightened people seeing the the ghettoes misbehave violently. But in that case why is it Democrat supporters like Soros who seem to fund it? It’s a mystery.
So both parties try to anger their demographic base as much as possible. For Democrats this means BLM-fueled anger at police, and then the ricochet effect when they can get angry that the Right gets angry about those actions.
BLM counters that
- at least in theory, although my gut is now telling me maybe the media over played their hand and are now vulnerable to a counter attack - hard to say.
So although I think BLM has helped him win on the law and order angle (whether people admit or not) I don't think he'll win as big as he would have if he partially detached the black vote.
I mostly stopped caring as BLM has finally soured me on Black people entirely but if he did detach the black vote it would be funny to watch the SJW brain explosions.
“In other words, blacks tend to be bad for property values, just like all those horrible racists told my in-laws in the Austin neighborhood in 1967. They didn’t believe them, but when they finally moved out in 1970 after three felonies against their family, losing half their net worth, they admitted that maybe the bigots had had a point.”
I notice that a lot of liberals have never had anything approaching a “felony” happen to them in their lives. It seems to me that most have lived sheltered lives and are, on the one hand dreamy eyed about the supposed to bes in life, and on the other hand they are shocked about the cherry picked new coverage of racial and class issued in this country. The news coverage itself may be cherry picked to show only certain items simply because reporters and news directors themselves led sheltered lives and have the mindset I described.
I did have one liberal couple I am friends with get randomly assaulted by some justice-involved youth downtown once - they couldn't seem to understand why these young black males decided to beat up a hip white couple and not even try to take their money or iPhones. "Why" indeed.
The media version of reality is the exact opposite of the truth but the upper middle class believe it because they are insulated from the true version.Replies: @MarkinLA
Still most would never consider voting for the GOP. That's for the mean whites or their dad.
Money does not mean successful real estate investments. Black athletes and the homes they build are a case in point. Michael Jordan’s 56,000 sq.ft estate in Chicago featured wrought iron gates with his uniform number embedded in them, an indoor basketball court, a beauty salon and 19 bathrooms but had to be auctioned off.
Michael Vick spent $5 million on his Atlanta mansion and it sold for $500,000 at his bankruptcy auction.
In St. Petersburg, a retired NFL players home had to torn down as its vintage early 1990’s accoutrements made it unsaleable at any price.
The homes of black superstars may have been impressive to hoodrats but what a hoodrat finds impressive and in good taste and what other luxury housing buyers do may not be the same. You can’t buy class.
It is even worse with toys such as $100M custom yachts built by oil sheikhs, Russian gangsters and tech billionaires. It is almost impossible to resell them even at huge discounts. The technology and aesthetics they were designed with are obsolete and out of fashion in ten years. Then, the next guy with that kind of money for a custom boat is only going to want one customized to his taste and with the very latest systems. I once visited a boat dealer's marina on the Italian Riviera with acres and acres of these gold trimmed white elephants, some big enough to have dual helicopter pads, languishing for sale like a now gown up child's discarded toys.
Jordan's widow Juanita got the downtown Chicago condo in the divorce. She is a real estate agent and originally asked for $5m, two years later accepted $3.2m.
Five years after his death, Director John Hughes's home still hadn't sold so his widow donated it to charity. The charity, a hospital, put in a brand new kitchen, rehabbed the bathrooms, and redecorated most of the rooms. The home sold for $4.8m, a million less than Hughes's widow's original asking price.
Steve has written about Muhammad Ali's self-reinvention. Michael Jordan now is in the process of reinventing himself. Jordan has a storied history of being abusive to players, including teammates, and fans, in particular black men. The rapper Chamillionaire's acrimonious encounter with Jordan is legendary.
In the last year Jordan has donated several million dollars to charity. The $10m he received from a lawsuit judgement against a supermarket chain was divided between 23 Chicago area charities. In July, Jordan also donated $1m each to the NAACP Legal Defense Fund and International Association of Chiefs of Police's Institute for Community-Police Relations. This summer after an autistic man was ridiculed on social media for wearing full Jordan gear while playing pickup basketball, Michael Jordan sent him new apparel and personally called him ---filmed for publicity of course.
https://youtu.be/y4ZQERHL6ow
Is there a message in there somewhere?
I notice that a lot of liberals have never had anything approaching a "felony" happen to them in their lives. It seems to me that most have lived sheltered lives and are, on the one hand dreamy eyed about the supposed to bes in life, and on the other hand they are shocked about the cherry picked new coverage of racial and class issued in this country. The news coverage itself may be cherry picked to show only certain items simply because reporters and news directors themselves led sheltered lives and have the mindset I described.Replies: @Arclight, @anon, @Ed
Very true – my most liberal friends have never lived in a black neighborhood in their lives and witnessed what goes on day to day, and they would never consider it. They are very proud of their “solidarity” or “allyship” with oppressed minorities, though.
I did have one liberal couple I am friends with get randomly assaulted by some justice-involved youth downtown once – they couldn’t seem to understand why these young black males decided to beat up a hip white couple and not even try to take their money or iPhones. “Why” indeed.
“The working definition of a poor person in modern America is somebody who can’t afford to get away from other poor people.” — That’s a beautiful put observation, Mr. Sailer; once again you’ve made my day.
beautifully put, I meant to write.
Had to laugh at this from the NYT authors, “but the impact in Milwaukee proved especially severe, in part because black migrants began arriving in droves just as the economic structure that was supposed to buoy them was disappearing”.
Def. buoy: to keep someone afloat.
Are the authors implying that black people can’t swim?
The “Wisconsin welfare magnet” hypothesis/fact about Wisconsin that Steve discusses was a part of official reality up until the mid-90s, when (I guess) everyone decided that welfare reform meant that problem was over for better or worse. Official reality insofar as even liberal UW professors were writing things like this:
http://www.irp.wisc.edu/publications/focus/pdfs/foc133c.pdf
that don’t really dispute the basic pattern, and local think tanks put out things like
http://www.wpri.org/WPRI-Files/Special-Reports/Reports-Documents/Vol2no8.pdf
to gauge how much that pattern was costing the state.
I know those Nice upper Midwestern states are to everyone here like those awful "Red States" are to basic liberals. But I think there is some sense of in-group solidarity there. Sure, it's mostly against other white people, but I remember during the never-ending Scott Walker protests seeing a video of some hysterical woman crying out, "How can he do this to us? He was born in Colorado. His placenta was't even buried here!!!"
NYT: To prove our segregation thesis, we’ll introduce you to the Sabir family, a black family making 6-figures, who chose to live in a poor neighborhood.
It must be that self-segregation is still segregation in the mind of the NYT. The NYT is self-parody.
““You’re asking us to do the impossible, which is to tolerate a systemic demoralization of our own livelihood,” Mr. Sabir said.”
Does anyone know what that sentence means?
I know a young white hipster woman who was living in a group house in EGP with her dog and she moved out, saying the locals were quite hostile to white hipsters moving into their neighborhood and she was concerned for her safety. She said that the blacks were all scared of her dog. I don’t see EGP or Austin gentrifying any time soon. Hermosa, west of Logan Square, has potential.
American elections have become all about each side turning out its base voters. What gets people to the polls on election day who might rather be at a barbeque or watching soap operas or fishing? Anger!
So both parties try to anger their demographic base as much as possible. For Democrats this means BLM-fueled anger at police, and then the ricochet effect when they can get angry that the Right gets angry about those actions.
Police and others who aren’t black and don’t live in black areas fail to properly understand blacks and are subject to misperceptions. Yet that doesn’t apply to those who presume to write about blacks and their issues. People who write these stories are exempt from the rules that apply to everyone else.
The Talented Tenth want to live lives separate from Negro trash, in elite Talented Tenth neighborhoods, with elite Talented Tenth clubs and schools and service organizations. They don’t want to be dragged back down into the steaming hot mess of Negro dysfunction. But they also don’t want to live surrounded by white middle class and upper middle class folks.
Milwaukee has no Talented Tenth neighborhoods, clubs, or organizations. It has been unable to create, whole cloth, Talented Tenth neighborhoods that are both segregated from Negro trash AND from white folks as well..
Young Talented Tenths move to Atlanta, Chicago and LA instead. There is no solutions to the Milwaukee Problem. White folks can’t solve it and black folks with talent and ability don’t want to.
I all seriousness I'm sure Obama would love to use his status to pal around with white intellectual and literary celebrities (like, say, the Chabons) but Michelle puts her foot down and Obama defers to her as vacation-planning is traditionally within the mom's domain of authority.
The vast majority of big cities in The U.S don't. Cities like Atlanta & Los Angeles are the exception and not the rule.
The excerpt contains numerous instances where reporters Eligon and Gebeloff have juxtaposed goodthink and thoughtcrime. Steve highlights,
Sentence 1: “At school, the Sabir children have heard… classmates stereotype black neighborhoods as bad and drug infested.”
Sentence 2: “On their block, where the sidewalks are cracked and some empty lots have been turned into gardens, they occasionally see drugs and fights.”
Steve has speculated that many reporters at top-tier newspapers want their accounts to be interesting and truthful — it’s just hard to accomplish that on Third Rail subjects, since their editors and publishers live in the Current Year. So they provide key information in a form that can only be noticed by those with the patience to finish the entire article, and high reading comprehension.
This could be an example.
However, outside this theory, there'd be no explanation for this odd and delicious little insertion:
when it comes to violent crime and inter-racial violence the media version of reality is the exact opposite of the truth
we live in a matrix of lies
There’s a lot of: ‘I’m in fear of my life. They’re superhuman. They’re animals. They’re savage.’
Someone censored a word there.
Someone like Trump (with lots of personal experience of blue collar people through construction) could potentially detach the black vote using immigration and jobs in the same way he can detach the white blue collar dem voters.
BLM counters that
– at least in theory, although my gut is now telling me maybe the media over played their hand and are now vulnerable to a counter attack – hard to say.
So although I think BLM has helped him win on the law and order angle (whether people admit or not) I don’t think he’ll win as big as he would have if he partially detached the black vote.
I mostly stopped caring as BLM has finally soured me on Black people entirely but if he did detach the black vote it would be funny to watch the SJW brain explosions.
I notice that a lot of liberals have never had anything approaching a "felony" happen to them in their lives. It seems to me that most have lived sheltered lives and are, on the one hand dreamy eyed about the supposed to bes in life, and on the other hand they are shocked about the cherry picked new coverage of racial and class issued in this country. The news coverage itself may be cherry picked to show only certain items simply because reporters and news directors themselves led sheltered lives and have the mindset I described.Replies: @Arclight, @anon, @Ed
That’s the root of it.
The media version of reality is the exact opposite of the truth but the upper middle class believe it because they are insulated from the true version.
However, they hear those blacks complain about the cops rousting them "for no reason". They also gave stories about how the cops treat their cousins. What they forget to mention is that they were rousted when traveling with their gang member cousins who have a mile long rap sheet while in a town with it's local police force that knew they had no business being in that neighborhood. Or they were rousted by local cops who know the gang member cousins personally.
Residency requirements for public institutions (police, fire, public school teachers) in heavily black cities are on the margins a form of affirmative action.
“There’s some white people that actually only know black people by what they’ve ever heard,” Mr. Jackson-Malone said.
Those are the kind of white people that black people should actually want, clueless delusional pathological altruists who think that the ghetto is full of misunderstood Cliff Huxtables. The last thing they need are white people who have been live long victims of the black undertow. Remember, Patterson’s First Axiom.
The problem with Michael Jordan’s mansion is that he made it so much about Michael Jordan that, when he decided to sell it, he was shocked to discover that there wasn’t another Michael Jordan to buy it at the price that Michael Jordan wanted to sell it for.
Steve
You need to spend more time in York in Highland Park. Conde Nast just named York in Highland park as the collest street in America. It is gentrifying and has interesting cafes and restaurants. A spectacular playground was just built there and the children of white Hipsters seem to play well with the children of working class Hispanics in that playground . while it is better to live in a zero crime zero poverty town like San Marino, a visit to Highland park is fun
Money quote:
Absolutely spot on.
Sentence 1: "At school, the Sabir children have heard... classmates stereotype black neighborhoods as bad and drug infested."
Sentence 2: "On their block, where the sidewalks are cracked and some empty lots have been turned into gardens, they occasionally see drugs and fights."
Steve has speculated that many reporters at top-tier newspapers want their accounts to be interesting and truthful -- it's just hard to accomplish that on Third Rail subjects, since their editors and publishers live in the Current Year. So they provide key information in a form that can only be noticed by those with the patience to finish the entire article, and high reading comprehension.
This could be an example.Replies: @Some Economist
I get that the tension between truth and goodthink does make for better articles. The women who read these articles (it’s mostly women, no?) do need to feel challenged enough to continue feeling smug about reading such “weighty” and “critical” newspaper articles. I don’t know any top-tier writers, so I really can’t gauge whether they’re capable of calculating this particular juxtaposition. My prior is that this is a lot to expect from them.
However, outside this theory, there’d be no explanation for this odd and delicious little insertion:
Ummm, why not just have Granny move into the 2,500 sq foot Victorian house? Anyway…
The reality is that there has never been a better time in America for blacks to be successful. If you have a reasonable level of reliability and presentability and decent language skills, all you need is a Bachelor’s degree from a mid-tier school in something marketable — finance, marketing, accounting, “management” — and you will have all the major U.S. corporations fighting one another to give you a job. Similarly, you can get a gig at a city/state/federal bureaucracy with no problem. If you prefer to get a degree in say history or literature, you will find the most lilly white suburban school districts desperate to hire you as a teacher. Publishing companies, magazines, etc. will also push you to the front of the list, to say nothing of media companies like Vox.
Simply put, it’s dead simple to get a well paying, middle class job as a black person in America in this year, thanks to massive reverse-discrimination, codified into law and company hiring policies everywhere. Yet it still doesn’t happen at scale. Journalists of America, I invite you to explore why this is the case.
Seriously, most of the black 18-20 year olds who age out of the Philadelphia school system can barely read and write on an elementary school level, let alone do the math required for a career in finance or the writing skills required to to write for a magazine. They are about as capable of getting jobs in corporate management as I am of becoming an NFL cornerback.
Now a big part of this is that they lack "the necessities" as Jimmy the Greek said shortly before he was Watsoned for saying so. But, for example, if you look at the blacks of the Caribbean Islands, they are of similar racial stock and yet tend to be a little more educable because they come from a culture with a more intact family structure. What little intellectual promise America blacks had (and it was not much to begin with) was further killed off when welfare destroyed what was left of their family structure. I do blame whitey for that.Replies: @Flip
Total "things-aren't-going-my-way-because-someone-else-has-it better-than-me" white guy projectionReplies: @Hibernian, @peterike, @Marty
2. People tend to gain employment through social connections. Most blacks attend bottom tier universities and have weaker professional networks.
3. States require that potential public school teachers pass a standardized certification exam(s) and most blacks are unable to pass.
4. Vox mainly hires white hipsters with vocal fry.
Awwww, isn’t that just wonderful!!
Racists!!!!
I notice that a lot of liberals have never had anything approaching a "felony" happen to them in their lives. It seems to me that most have lived sheltered lives and are, on the one hand dreamy eyed about the supposed to bes in life, and on the other hand they are shocked about the cherry picked new coverage of racial and class issued in this country. The news coverage itself may be cherry picked to show only certain items simply because reporters and news directors themselves led sheltered lives and have the mindset I described.Replies: @Arclight, @anon, @Ed
Reading DC neighborhood blogs and the comments makes for interesting reading. In several cases you can trace the political evolution from BLM loving white liberal to I’m getting out of here because of the blacks.
Still most would never consider voting for the GOP. That’s for the mean whites or their dad.
Pictures, please!
I personally witnessed Negro influxes destroy two beautiful residential areas in New Jersey; East Orange in the mid 1970s and Trenton’s many White ethnic neighborhoods a decade later. It starts with a few “middle-class” Negro households; they are seldom families in the traditional sense. These harbingers usually bring with them obnoxious habits, e.g., destruction of foliage, failure to maintain property, noise and loitering until nearly dawn, etc., and an ever-changing retinue of thuggish relatives and acquaintances.
As a result life becomes intolerable for their White neighbors. Then the less savory Negro element starts replacing the first White refugees. The escalating levels of theft, vandalism, and violence soon cause local businesses to shut down and eventually drive out any remaining Whites families and individuals who can afford to leave. Even those who can’t eventually are in such fear for their lives that they leave regardless of the cost.
In East Orange I saw the process from beginning to end. In my particular neighborhood it played out over the course of a year. In Trenton the process was just as inevitable but took several years. Those who haven’t observed or experienced the process cannot imagine the horror its brutal inevitability instills in those who have.
Maybe they should reconsider their values
A rising tide lifts all boats. In 1962, my family fled from Bushwick, Brooklyn to rural NJ. By the time we left it was already a slum. The housing stock was outdated and was never good – it was basically built as a slum.
Other parts of the Brooklyn had once been grand brownstone mansion neighborhoods that went into decline. Paradoxically, decline had preserved the bones of many of them because no one had money to tear out all that old fashioned mahogany woodwork and fancy plasterwork, etc. and put in nice modern 1950s formica. So when gentrifiers came, they just had to strip the paint and pull down the drop ceilings and the good stuff was waiting for them underneath .
But Bushwick was built as 19th century workers housing – our (rent controlled $42/month) apartment was in a walk up tenement with the bathtub in the kitchen. On the Lower East Side of NY they have something called the Tenement Museum which preserves a circa 1900 tenement – that’s what this was like except with 60 more years of deferred maintenance. Half a block away on Broadway there was a elevated subway line – not an asset to have big trains rumbling overhead and the street below left in permanent darkness.
So I watched Bushwick over the decades. Nearby Bedford Stuyvesant was famous as a center of black militancy. When I went back in the late ’70s our tenement was gone but its twin next door featured a hooded drug dealer type yoot hanging out on the doorstep. Generally Brooklyn was like a reverse Oreo – (some of) the edges were white but the center was pure black. But Brooklyn is now so white hot hipsterish that no neighborhood is safe from gentrification. In the last year or two, I have been seeing reviews in the NYT for cutting edge restaurants (the kind with promising young chefs who can’t afford rent in already solidly gentrified neighborhoods) in Bushwick.
http://www.irp.wisc.edu/publications/focus/pdfs/foc133c.pdf
that don't really dispute the basic pattern, and local think tanks put out things like
http://www.wpri.org/WPRI-Files/Special-Reports/Reports-Documents/Vol2no8.pdf
to gauge how much that pattern was costing the state.Replies: @Some Economist
Looks like around 1/3 of flows into AFDC over the years studied were people who had never before lived in Wisconsin. I’m guessing 85-90% of people in Wisconsin had only lived in Wisconsin during those years? The welfare migration argument is convincing enough.
I know those Nice upper Midwestern states are to everyone here like those awful “Red States” are to basic liberals. But I think there is some sense of in-group solidarity there. Sure, it’s mostly against other white people, but I remember during the never-ending Scott Walker protests seeing a video of some hysterical woman crying out, “How can he do this to us? He was born in Colorado. His placenta was’t even buried here!!!”
There are a few huge barriers preventing gentrification of East Garfield Park, namely what to do to displace the current occupants, and the fact that it is still surrounded by some of the country’s absolute worst Black undertow. I could not imagine Tyler and Trixie walking to and waiting for the Green Line train to Downtown ( i-phone in hand, of course). And forget about driving through that war zone. The 11th police district is Chicago’s busiest and generally considered to be the most violent and worst managed. Just can’t see it.
What’s the matter with Wisconsin? White liberals are good at making sure black liberals don’t live near them.
I don’t know about the rest of the country, but in New York City gentrification generally follows the subway lines.
A tough interview from reporter Colby Itkowitz in the Oni … er … Washington Post:
It worked for Seth Rich, why not give it a try?
Meanwhile, the CostCo coupon book I just spied has an ad on the front titled:
The Way to WHITEN
Follow the gays. I’ll bet mining some Grindr data could make youse a pretty penny.
“In fact, a New York Times analysis of 2014 census figures shows that income alone cannot explain, nor would it likely end, the segregation that has defined American cities and suburbs for generations.”
An analysis? Seriously? How cynical do you have to be to write something like this.
* "As recently as 2006, a city government report found that affluent, nonwhite Milwaukeeans were 2.7 times likelier to be denied home loans than white people with similar incomes."
* "Women won more total medals than men in 29 countries that participated in the 2016 Rio Games and at least one other Summer Olympics."
* "85% of human genetic variation is found within populations, not between them."
I think it's officially a thing now among SWPL's/SJW's. Prove some bit of GoodThink by frying the average person's numerical reasoning capacity with several partially overlapping but logically disjoint statistical assertions. Oh, and throw in a random date or two to seem like you are super-meticulous about citing your sources.
Big Brother doesn't want you to believe 2 plus 2 is 5 anymore. He wants you- with all your heart and belly- to think that "78% of voters who live in areas where Trump's favorability rating is above the median national value for 2 out of every 3 months since March 2016 have almost a 100% chance of having an opinion on Black Lives Matter that is more extreme than 96% of registered voters." (So nyeh-nyeh)
Wilt Chamberlain’s Wilt Chamberlain-sized house in Bel-Air had problems finding another 7′ buyer.
One of Nigel Farage’s most effective tropes is describing those favoring policies that put the interests of a country’s citizens first not as racists or xenophobes, but as “decent, ordinary folks.” In other words, the measure of good government policy in a democratic society is the happiness of its people.
Meanwhile Trump is “softening” his stance on the deportation of illegal immigrants who have long resided in the United States and reaching out to African-Americans in the inner cities with promises of more and better police protection together with new job opportunities that will be created when he “brings our factories back from overseas.” All he needs now is the right slogan. How about “Trump change, not chump change.”
I don't know what to think about this but it can't be good. Trump is not likely to win so as substantive matter you could say it's irrelevant. But a big part of Trump's candidacy was that his immigration stance is very popular and is being illegitimately thwarted by ethnic tribalism and special interests. At the very least, these latest moves undercut that.
"work and wages not war and welfare."
As someone here suggested.
Does anyone know what that sentence means?Replies: @Gross Terry, @guest
mo’ money for dem programs
The reality is that there has never been a better time in America for blacks to be successful. If you have a reasonable level of reliability and presentability and decent language skills, all you need is a Bachelor's degree from a mid-tier school in something marketable -- finance, marketing, accounting, "management" -- and you will have all the major U.S. corporations fighting one another to give you a job. Similarly, you can get a gig at a city/state/federal bureaucracy with no problem. If you prefer to get a degree in say history or literature, you will find the most lilly white suburban school districts desperate to hire you as a teacher. Publishing companies, magazines, etc. will also push you to the front of the list, to say nothing of media companies like Vox.
Simply put, it's dead simple to get a well paying, middle class job as a black person in America in this year, thanks to massive reverse-discrimination, codified into law and company hiring policies everywhere. Yet it still doesn't happen at scale. Journalists of America, I invite you to explore why this is the case.Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Jack D, @Truth, @Triumph104, @Desiderius, @artichoke
Great comment, except I would drop accounting from your list of degrees.
In many forms of employment, empathy has replaced competence as the most desired metric.
Does anyone know what that sentence means?Replies: @Gross Terry, @guest
“Systemic” is a word which, when incanted, brings forth the ancient Mesopotamian demon Ekwalytee, who eats white people’s souls. The rest of the sentence, I have no idea.
Just in case you thought that NYT was all race, all the time, they’ve now made it more or less official policy:
So between the guy who founded this A-Team of Blame Whitey and the guy who runs it, we have…5/8 of a black guy?
LOL. Not much market for a mansion with a 15 foot gold leaf tile initial in the middle of the grand ballroom even if it happens to be your initial as well. A half million dollar home theater system is considered obsolete a couple of years after it is installed.
It is even worse with toys such as $100M custom yachts built by oil sheikhs, Russian gangsters and tech billionaires. It is almost impossible to resell them even at huge discounts. The technology and aesthetics they were designed with are obsolete and out of fashion in ten years. Then, the next guy with that kind of money for a custom boat is only going to want one customized to his taste and with the very latest systems. I once visited a boat dealer’s marina on the Italian Riviera with acres and acres of these gold trimmed white elephants, some big enough to have dual helicopter pads, languishing for sale like a now gown up child’s discarded toys.
The NYT had a big report about what is wrong with blacks in Milwaukee at some point back in the 90’s. It featured some 15 year old gang leader/baby daddy who had been killed or something like that. Anyone else remember that one? My recollection was that it was late 90’s.
Paging Steve Sailer…
http://www.redpillphilosophy.com/2015/11/white-guy-plays-knockout-game-on-black-guy-to-expose-double-standard-will-this-be-nationally-televised/
It’s great, but he came up with that a couple year ago. I like this new hit, fresh off his latest album:
“As it turns out, the officer involved in the shooting last week was black and lived in Milwaukee, so his residency or understanding of the community might not have been an issue.” Or perhaps that was exactly the issue. The black cop knew exactly what had to be done with the brother.
Black cops know their crowd.Replies: @Jack D
“The working definition of a poor person in modern America is somebody who can’t afford to get away from other poor people.”
Detroit is ground zero for this. The inner ring suburbs are absorbing most of the blacks leaving Detroit; these were formally all white. I grew up a few miles north of Detroit, there were NO blacks in the school district until the late ’90s. Now the street is about 15% black . The black pioneers 20 years ago were definitely middle class, lately it’s been peeps that are just above the poverty line that want to get out of the ‘hood’ and all the crap it is.
Yet I read that some white hipsters are moving into Detroit because the rents are rock bottom and they can only afford that. But that is what Detroit needs to ever come back, it won’t with 83% black residents that are the bottom of the bottom when it comes to something simple like being able to read and write. I read half of Detroit adults are functional illiterates.
Milwaukee has no Talented Tenth neighborhoods, clubs, or organizations. It has been unable to create, whole cloth, Talented Tenth neighborhoods that are both segregated from Negro trash AND from white folks as well..
Young Talented Tenths move to Atlanta, Chicago and LA instead. There is no solutions to the Milwaukee Problem. White folks can't solve it and black folks with talent and ability don't want to.Replies: @Abe, @Jefferson
Forget podunk Milwaukee. I want the sort of hard-hitting expose which only the NEW YORK TIMES or COMEDY CENTRAL still has the balls to pull-off on why the most illustrious black family in the country- i.e. the one currently residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue- still takes segregated vacations on Martha’s Vineyard. I mean, sure, the Obamas all look like they’re having a blast toodling around on Skip Gates’s Dr. Seuss-inspired bicycle, but I’d bet they’d all rather be relaxing in some timeshare on the Florida panhandle next to a white dentist’s family from Akron.
I all seriousness I’m sure Obama would love to use his status to pal around with white intellectual and literary celebrities (like, say, the Chabons) but Michelle puts her foot down and Obama defers to her as vacation-planning is traditionally within the mom’s domain of authority.
Steve’s “Magic Dirt” construct explained in 1) theory, and 2) practice.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathetic_magic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult
BTW
Always remember when making deals with cannibals to be the last one eaten that 1) you will still be eaten, and 2) cannibals do not keep their agreements.
Yali's question:
"Why is it that you white people developed so
much cargo and brought it to New Guinea, but we black people had little
cargo of our own?"
The reality is that there has never been a better time in America for blacks to be successful. If you have a reasonable level of reliability and presentability and decent language skills, all you need is a Bachelor's degree from a mid-tier school in something marketable -- finance, marketing, accounting, "management" -- and you will have all the major U.S. corporations fighting one another to give you a job. Similarly, you can get a gig at a city/state/federal bureaucracy with no problem. If you prefer to get a degree in say history or literature, you will find the most lilly white suburban school districts desperate to hire you as a teacher. Publishing companies, magazines, etc. will also push you to the front of the list, to say nothing of media companies like Vox.
Simply put, it's dead simple to get a well paying, middle class job as a black person in America in this year, thanks to massive reverse-discrimination, codified into law and company hiring policies everywhere. Yet it still doesn't happen at scale. Journalists of America, I invite you to explore why this is the case.Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Jack D, @Truth, @Triumph104, @Desiderius, @artichoke
I’m not really clear on the exact mechanism, but whatever it is, I’m pretty sure it’s whitey’s fault.
Seriously, most of the black 18-20 year olds who age out of the Philadelphia school system can barely read and write on an elementary school level, let alone do the math required for a career in finance or the writing skills required to to write for a magazine. They are about as capable of getting jobs in corporate management as I am of becoming an NFL cornerback.
Now a big part of this is that they lack “the necessities” as Jimmy the Greek said shortly before he was Watsoned for saying so. But, for example, if you look at the blacks of the Caribbean Islands, they are of similar racial stock and yet tend to be a little more educable because they come from a culture with a more intact family structure. What little intellectual promise America blacks had (and it was not much to begin with) was further killed off when welfare destroyed what was left of their family structure. I do blame whitey for that.
Yeah, what do have to lose, except your life?
As a result life becomes intolerable for their White neighbors. Then the less savory Negro element starts replacing the first White refugees. The escalating levels of theft, vandalism, and violence soon cause local businesses to shut down and eventually drive out any remaining Whites families and individuals who can afford to leave. Even those who can't eventually are in such fear for their lives that they leave regardless of the cost.
In East Orange I saw the process from beginning to end. In my particular neighborhood it played out over the course of a year. In Trenton the process was just as inevitable but took several years. Those who haven't observed or experienced the process cannot imagine the horror its brutal inevitability instills in those who have.Replies: @Milo Minderbinder
Trenton is probably the worst US State Capital
Heh, heh. Just like the black community, hispanic community, gay etc. community–I once heard a news anchor refer to the “terrorist community.” All community is good community until you get to the white community. Eeek! Neo-nazis! KKK! Hate! Divisiveness! Dystopia!
Milwaukee has no Talented Tenth neighborhoods, clubs, or organizations. It has been unable to create, whole cloth, Talented Tenth neighborhoods that are both segregated from Negro trash AND from white folks as well..
Young Talented Tenths move to Atlanta, Chicago and LA instead. There is no solutions to the Milwaukee Problem. White folks can't solve it and black folks with talent and ability don't want to.Replies: @Abe, @Jefferson
“Milwaukee has no Talented Tenth neighborhoods, clubs, or organizations.”
The vast majority of big cities in The U.S don’t. Cities like Atlanta & Los Angeles are the exception and not the rule.
“Meanwhile Trump is “softening” his stance on the deportation of illegal immigrants who have long resided in the United States and reaching out to African-Americans in the inner cities with promises of more and better police protection together with new job opportunities that will be created when he “brings our factories back from overseas.” All he needs now is the right slogan. How about “Trump change, not chump change.””
I don’t know what to think about this but it can’t be good. Trump is not likely to win so as substantive matter you could say it’s irrelevant. But a big part of Trump’s candidacy was that his immigration stance is very popular and is being illegitimately thwarted by ethnic tribalism and special interests. At the very least, these latest moves undercut that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathetic_magic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult
BTW
Always remember when making deals with cannibals to be the last one eaten that 1) you will still be eaten, and 2) cannibals do not keep their agreements.
http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3265135.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Michael-C-Rockefeller.pngReplies: @Langley
OT?
Yali’s question:
“Why is it that you white people developed so
much cargo and brought it to New Guinea, but we black people had little
cargo of our own?”
“Studies have shown that white people prefer to live in communities where there are fewer black people, regardless of their income.”
Asians also prefer to live in in communities where there are fewer Black people, hence why Asians have driven up the cost of housing in places like Milpitas, Cupertino, and The San Gabriel Valley to the point where extremely few Black people can afford to rent or purchase a home in these areas. I barely see any Black faces in these areas.
Asiantopias in The U.S never have to worry about turning into Fergusons, unless the U.S government starts Section 8 housing the shit out of these areas. But I don’t think The U.S government hates Asian Americans enough to do that to them. They only Section 8 house the shit out of White communities.
It must be that self-segregation is still segregation in the mind of the NYT. The NYT is self-parody.Replies: @hhsiii, @NOTA
White households making less than $25,000? In New York City? That’s only singles. An old retiree on social security. Or a kid living in Williamsburg studio with money from his parents and a job with PIRG, or an internship with a magazine or some such.
That has been President Obama’s metric in filling vacancies on the US Supreme Court.
The reality is that there has never been a better time in America for blacks to be successful. If you have a reasonable level of reliability and presentability and decent language skills, all you need is a Bachelor's degree from a mid-tier school in something marketable -- finance, marketing, accounting, "management" -- and you will have all the major U.S. corporations fighting one another to give you a job. Similarly, you can get a gig at a city/state/federal bureaucracy with no problem. If you prefer to get a degree in say history or literature, you will find the most lilly white suburban school districts desperate to hire you as a teacher. Publishing companies, magazines, etc. will also push you to the front of the list, to say nothing of media companies like Vox.
Simply put, it's dead simple to get a well paying, middle class job as a black person in America in this year, thanks to massive reverse-discrimination, codified into law and company hiring policies everywhere. Yet it still doesn't happen at scale. Journalists of America, I invite you to explore why this is the case.Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Jack D, @Truth, @Triumph104, @Desiderius, @artichoke
LOL, as a 50 year old “reliable, presentable, well spoken, black man”, I can assure you that this is apochyphal, almost to the point of being mythical; an sliver of sunshine on a January, Stockholm afternoon.
Total “things-aren’t-going-my-way-because-someone-else-has-it better-than-me” white guy projection
And, like, what's your employment record? Nuh huh.I'm doin' fine Spanky. Many of my racial cohorts, however, are not.Replies: @Truth
OT: The University of Chicago tells incoming freshmen that it does not support trigger warnings and safe spaces.
My only complaint is that the University of Chicago didn’t have this policy established and publicized last spring before kids made a final college decision. I’m sure some would have chosen to attend another school making things even more pleasant for those on the University of Chicago’s campus this fall.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-university-of-chicago-safe-spaces-letter-met-20160825-story.html
I don't think they tend to invite anyone very conservative. They did invite Jim Webb last fall and I went to hear him speak. They're not as bad as most other elite institutions.
An analysis? Seriously? How cynical do you have to be to write something like this.Replies: @Abe
Welcome to Lewontin’s Rubber-room (OK, I know the coinage sucks; maybe wordsters here can come up with something better):
* “As recently as 2006, a city government report found that affluent, nonwhite Milwaukeeans were 2.7 times likelier to be denied home loans than white people with similar incomes.”
* “Women won more total medals than men in 29 countries that participated in the 2016 Rio Games and at least one other Summer Olympics.”
* “85% of human genetic variation is found within populations, not between them.”
I think it’s officially a thing now among SWPL’s/SJW’s. Prove some bit of GoodThink by frying the average person’s numerical reasoning capacity with several partially overlapping but logically disjoint statistical assertions. Oh, and throw in a random date or two to seem like you are super-meticulous about citing your sources.
Big Brother doesn’t want you to believe 2 plus 2 is 5 anymore. He wants you- with all your heart and belly- to think that “78% of voters who live in areas where Trump’s favorability rating is above the median national value for 2 out of every 3 months since March 2016 have almost a 100% chance of having an opinion on Black Lives Matter that is more extreme than 96% of registered voters.” (So nyeh-nyeh)
“White flight is the [only] form of ethnic cleansing in which we agree to blame the victims.”
I saw that somewhere, but unfortunately I don’t remember the source.
I never agreed to that.
Jason DeParle?
How about
“work and wages not war and welfare.”
As someone here suggested.
Jordan still hasn’t sold the home. He originally asked for $29m, now $14m. I know he will accept $10m and maybe even entertain $5m. He may have to demolish the place and sell the land.
Jordan’s widow Juanita got the downtown Chicago condo in the divorce. She is a real estate agent and originally asked for $5m, two years later accepted $3.2m.
Five years after his death, Director John Hughes’s home still hadn’t sold so his widow donated it to charity. The charity, a hospital, put in a brand new kitchen, rehabbed the bathrooms, and redecorated most of the rooms. The home sold for $4.8m, a million less than Hughes’s widow’s original asking price.
Steve has written about Muhammad Ali’s self-reinvention. Michael Jordan now is in the process of reinventing himself. Jordan has a storied history of being abusive to players, including teammates, and fans, in particular black men. The rapper Chamillionaire’s acrimonious encounter with Jordan is legendary.
In the last year Jordan has donated several million dollars to charity. The $10m he received from a lawsuit judgement against a supermarket chain was divided between 23 Chicago area charities. In July, Jordan also donated $1m each to the NAACP Legal Defense Fund and International Association of Chiefs of Police’s Institute for Community-Police Relations. This summer after an autistic man was ridiculed on social media for wearing full Jordan gear while playing pickup basketball, Michael Jordan sent him new apparel and personally called him —filmed for publicity of course.
Seriously, most of the black 18-20 year olds who age out of the Philadelphia school system can barely read and write on an elementary school level, let alone do the math required for a career in finance or the writing skills required to to write for a magazine. They are about as capable of getting jobs in corporate management as I am of becoming an NFL cornerback.
Now a big part of this is that they lack "the necessities" as Jimmy the Greek said shortly before he was Watsoned for saying so. But, for example, if you look at the blacks of the Caribbean Islands, they are of similar racial stock and yet tend to be a little more educable because they come from a culture with a more intact family structure. What little intellectual promise America blacks had (and it was not much to begin with) was further killed off when welfare destroyed what was left of their family structure. I do blame whitey for that.Replies: @Flip
My thought was that Caribbean and African immigrants had a better culture because they were from black run countries where all the jobs were done by blacks, whereas blacks in America were historically restricted in the jobs that they could fill.
The reality is that there has never been a better time in America for blacks to be successful. If you have a reasonable level of reliability and presentability and decent language skills, all you need is a Bachelor's degree from a mid-tier school in something marketable -- finance, marketing, accounting, "management" -- and you will have all the major U.S. corporations fighting one another to give you a job. Similarly, you can get a gig at a city/state/federal bureaucracy with no problem. If you prefer to get a degree in say history or literature, you will find the most lilly white suburban school districts desperate to hire you as a teacher. Publishing companies, magazines, etc. will also push you to the front of the list, to say nothing of media companies like Vox.
Simply put, it's dead simple to get a well paying, middle class job as a black person in America in this year, thanks to massive reverse-discrimination, codified into law and company hiring policies everywhere. Yet it still doesn't happen at scale. Journalists of America, I invite you to explore why this is the case.Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Jack D, @Truth, @Triumph104, @Desiderius, @artichoke
1. The black couples in the NY Times article were all employed professionals. The article was examining the paradox of employed middle-class college graduates living the ghetto. A look at their credit reports would probably clear up a lot of confusion but our society isn’t ready for that.
2. People tend to gain employment through social connections. Most blacks attend bottom tier universities and have weaker professional networks.
3. States require that potential public school teachers pass a standardized certification exam(s) and most blacks are unable to pass.
4. Vox mainly hires white hipsters with vocal fry.
Talk about KKKrazy glue and how whites are always to blame: https://psmag.com/ghosts-of-white-people-past-witnessing-white-flight-from-an-asian-ethnoburb-b550ba986cdb#.fex5h7wxn
Honestly, if white people were as ethno-centric as Asians, they’d be labeled a hate organization by the $PLC.
Of all the pity-seeking screeds of complaint against unhyphenated Americans, those bellyaching about white flight are the stupidest, because of their self-refuting quality. The author, like Ms. Enjeti, is invariably unhappy to have been left behind in a vibrant increasingly-affordable multi-cultural neighborhood from which the evil white people have deported themselves, taking their racism with them. What could be more wicked than white people refusing to properly oppress dark-skinned folks like the author? Don't white people know their role in society?
Racists: can't live with them (BLM!), can't live without them (Forsyth?).
Enjeti wants to live in a white neighborhood even more than the white people she calls "racists" do. No wonder she's steamed that when she and all her non-white friends move in to the neighborhood, the former residents move on to someplace where they won't have to listen to her call them racists all day while her kids use theirs for punching bags.
Since the 1930’s art in the west has been shit , Marxist dominated shit stains in the public sphere . Sculpture peaked in the ancient world with the Greeks : https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/museums/rare-chance-to-see-hellenistic-bronzes-at-nga/2015/12/13/81a93b02-9f8e-11e5-8728-1af6af208198_story.html . Hemingway BTW was a weepy leftist faggot who like so many other “artists” of that time wrung their hands while they cashed their checks and drank and f**ked their way to despair .
This just a toss off .
in the theater comedy and tragedy began and ended with :
In the west painting peaked in the 19 th century from the Renascence
the here was so much but my favorite is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieter_Bruegel_the_Elder
But music will never peak this :
or this :
OT: Hollywood Reporter http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/academy-president-birth-a-nation-923012
Academy president urges people to see the movie.
Everybody should be hostile to white hipsters moving into their neighborhood.
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2012/08/05/fashion/05MONTAUK_SPAN/05MONTAUK_SPAN-jumbo-v2.jpg
You need to go to some leather bar in West Hollywood and ask around. Once the gays start moving in the place really takes off as they rehab those places.
The media version of reality is the exact opposite of the truth but the upper middle class believe it because they are insulated from the true version.Replies: @MarkinLA
The young millenials who are most prey to that brainwashing went to college and the few blacks they encountered were pretty decent.If they have a job they meet the same kind.
However, they hear those blacks complain about the cops rousting them “for no reason”. They also gave stories about how the cops treat their cousins. What they forget to mention is that they were rousted when traveling with their gang member cousins who have a mile long rap sheet while in a town with it’s local police force that knew they had no business being in that neighborhood. Or they were rousted by local cops who know the gang member cousins personally.
Total "things-aren't-going-my-way-because-someone-else-has-it better-than-me" white guy projectionReplies: @Hibernian, @peterike, @Marty
I think Peterike may be thinking more of 20 something recent graduates.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-university-of-chicago-safe-spaces-letter-met-20160825-story.htmlReplies: @Hibernian
“we do not cancel invited speakers because their topics might prove controversial”
I don’t think they tend to invite anyone very conservative. They did invite Jim Webb last fall and I went to hear him speak. They’re not as bad as most other elite institutions.
Total "things-aren't-going-my-way-because-someone-else-has-it better-than-me" white guy projectionReplies: @Hibernian, @peterike, @Marty
Well, giant-chip-on-shoulder grievance mongering doesn’t generally go over well in interviews. I’m sure people can spot you a hundred miles away and know full well that “THIS mo-fo is gonna be nothing but trouble.”
And, like, what’s your employment record? Nuh huh.
I’m doin’ fine Spanky. Many of my racial cohorts, however, are not.
I have never had problems finding employment, I've just found jobs that were roughly befitting of my accomplishments, no more.
The reality is that there has never been a better time in America for blacks to be successful. If you have a reasonable level of reliability and presentability and decent language skills, all you need is a Bachelor's degree from a mid-tier school in something marketable -- finance, marketing, accounting, "management" -- and you will have all the major U.S. corporations fighting one another to give you a job. Similarly, you can get a gig at a city/state/federal bureaucracy with no problem. If you prefer to get a degree in say history or literature, you will find the most lilly white suburban school districts desperate to hire you as a teacher. Publishing companies, magazines, etc. will also push you to the front of the list, to say nothing of media companies like Vox.
Simply put, it's dead simple to get a well paying, middle class job as a black person in America in this year, thanks to massive reverse-discrimination, codified into law and company hiring policies everywhere. Yet it still doesn't happen at scale. Journalists of America, I invite you to explore why this is the case.Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Jack D, @Truth, @Triumph104, @Desiderius, @artichoke
Structural racism. Duh.
We, kemosabe?
I never agreed to that.
What I’ve learnt since moving to Cambridge (UK) from the Big Smoke is Urban Safety!
Cambridge is one of the safest places in the UK, has extremely tough urban & traffic policies and coincidentally the highest longevity in the country (the lowest is in parts of Glasgow). Observation ally in a country that has a huge black & brown minority, the largest visible minority in Cam are the diligent and hard-working Chinese (mostly students)..
It is ironically a hugely liberal city that overwhelming voted for Bremain (but then again so did Manchester!) A very classic case of do as I say not as as I do.. With the fastest growing house prices in the country outside of Central London (think Oxford is a close second), it seems that the petty bourgeois (of whichever race) are crafting their islands of prosperity regardless of the prevailing winds of pc-Dom or multi-culti
He’s made three appointments, and two if not three were from the world ‘s most powerful ethnic group.
A lot of interesting comments on that second NYT piece. Rank them by Reader’s Picks and you’ll see quite varied perspectives.
Wow – that is a truly deranged complaint. I so badly wanted to comment, but we all know we live in a totalitarian society.
Unmentioned is that the behavior of these young revolutionaries destroyed what little appeal their neighborhoods had to start with and millions of dollars of whatever homeowner equity existed. Therefore there are thousands of people who cannot sell their properties at a price that makes sense so the option is to stay and try and ride it out or leave and rent elsewhere and rent out their homes to people willing to live in a high crime/high social dysfunction neighborhood.
This process has played out much more slowly in urban areas across the country - the societal tolerance of cultural dysfunction in black neighborhoods that is unlike any other segment of society means that high concentrations of working to lower class blacks means property values will drop off a cliff as surely as the sun sets in the west. The left has for decades demanded non-judgment of dysfunctional behavior from its most treasured part of its base, and we can see the results. Now they are trying to peddle the narrative that it's a collection of racist policies that haven't existed for half a century or more that has made black neighborhoods hellholes, but even the most ardent black political voices (TNC, Spike Lee) don't want to live in "real" black neighborhoods either if they can help it.Replies: @artichoke
On the other hand in the NYT story, the people move from the white middle class area back to the ‘hood because they are more comfortable with the people and culture there. It’s home for them.
And if blacks are generally more comfortable living with other blacks (as I’ve observed) and whites with whites etc., then the free market will produce a segregated outcome. Is that a good thing? YES! because pretty much everyone is happy, except those who say segregation is automatically bad.
Or want to use it as an excuse for further guilting, demands for free stuff, etc. But most black people just want to live with people like them and not have trouble. And since property values are lower, they can get more house for their money there. It’s not a “legacy of racism” or other such dreary &*()_, but a way to get more for their money.
The free market is racist, except when it comes to hiring cheap 3rd world labor, than it's social justice.
That’s my white privilege. That I get to have Elena Kagan on the court, and she’s the same color as I am.
And if blacks are generally more comfortable living with other blacks (as I've observed) and whites with whites etc., then the free market will produce a segregated outcome. Is that a good thing? YES! because pretty much everyone is happy, except those who say segregation is automatically bad.
Or want to use it as an excuse for further guilting, demands for free stuff, etc. But most black people just want to live with people like them and not have trouble. And since property values are lower, they can get more house for their money there. It's not a "legacy of racism" or other such dreary &*()_, but a way to get more for their money.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jefferson
The black Muslims in the article appear to be using the money they are saving on housing to send their kids to Catholic school. I did something similar living in diverse Uptown instead of moving to all white (or Asian) Wilmette.
The reality is that there has never been a better time in America for blacks to be successful. If you have a reasonable level of reliability and presentability and decent language skills, all you need is a Bachelor's degree from a mid-tier school in something marketable -- finance, marketing, accounting, "management" -- and you will have all the major U.S. corporations fighting one another to give you a job. Similarly, you can get a gig at a city/state/federal bureaucracy with no problem. If you prefer to get a degree in say history or literature, you will find the most lilly white suburban school districts desperate to hire you as a teacher. Publishing companies, magazines, etc. will also push you to the front of the list, to say nothing of media companies like Vox.
Simply put, it's dead simple to get a well paying, middle class job as a black person in America in this year, thanks to massive reverse-discrimination, codified into law and company hiring policies everywhere. Yet it still doesn't happen at scale. Journalists of America, I invite you to explore why this is the case.Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Jack D, @Truth, @Triumph104, @Desiderius, @artichoke
The article says they moved back to the ‘hood because it felt like home to them, it was more comfortable socially. And that’s a good thing, nothing wrong with it. They could save a lot of money by living there instead of the white area.
But Wilmette has a well regarded public school district. I used to live in the area famous for having a lot of lesbians. Is that near Uptown?
The lesbian district was in the inland part of of Uptown, maybe along Foster? I don’t remember that well.
Consulting a map, I was in Andersonville, Farragut just east of Clark. I remember the Swedish Bakery now … We were close to Uptown but I think it was considered kind of separate. Maybe outside it’s just called the place where there a lot of lesbians. Somewhat bemused to bring my wife to the lesbian district, but it was a fair price on the apartment and OK until we moved to the suburbs.
Total "things-aren't-going-my-way-because-someone-else-has-it better-than-me" white guy projectionReplies: @Hibernian, @peterike, @Marty
Come to Berkeley. We have about forty black assistant deans or vice this-or-thats making $180k or more in base salary.
Right, I remember that: the Swedish breakfast restaurant in Andersonville with lingonberries was lesbian central: lots of hostile glares at heterosexual couples who wandered in.
Thanks for the link, Skeptical.
Of all the pity-seeking screeds of complaint against unhyphenated Americans, those bellyaching about white flight are the stupidest, because of their self-refuting quality. The author, like Ms. Enjeti, is invariably unhappy to have been left behind in a vibrant increasingly-affordable multi-cultural neighborhood from which the evil white people have deported themselves, taking their racism with them. What could be more wicked than white people refusing to properly oppress dark-skinned folks like the author? Don’t white people know their role in society?
Racists: can’t live with them (BLM!), can’t live without them (Forsyth?).
Enjeti wants to live in a white neighborhood even more than the white people she calls “racists” do. No wonder she’s steamed that when she and all her non-white friends move in to the neighborhood, the former residents move on to someplace where they won’t have to listen to her call them racists all day while her kids use theirs for punching bags.
Steve Sailor: Artsy Hipster of the Opera Set. La Boheme no less. Who knew? And all these eons I thought you were just a Links-Duffer. I used to dig symphony and opera at D.A.R. and the Kennedy Center when I was back in DC. These days? The Boston Pops and Symphony.
Scotch, single-malt, I presume?
Well, I am an “independently wealthy golf course architect.”
And if blacks are generally more comfortable living with other blacks (as I've observed) and whites with whites etc., then the free market will produce a segregated outcome. Is that a good thing? YES! because pretty much everyone is happy, except those who say segregation is automatically bad.
Or want to use it as an excuse for further guilting, demands for free stuff, etc. But most black people just want to live with people like them and not have trouble. And since property values are lower, they can get more house for their money there. It's not a "legacy of racism" or other such dreary &*()_, but a way to get more for their money.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jefferson
“And if blacks are generally more comfortable living with other blacks (as I’ve observed) and whites with whites etc., then the free market will produce a segregated outcome”
The free market is racist, except when it comes to hiring cheap 3rd world labor, than it’s social justice.
Seriously. How many white guys on the practice squads exclusively play that position?
I think Seth Rich had substantially more powerful enemies than the local thugs.
That’s it in a nutshell. In Boston, it was the lesbians in Jamaica Plain and the gays in the South End.
Back in the mid-Seventies, my suburban school’s indoor track team used to have meets at the old Commonwealth Armory, and the bus took the route up Mass Ave. through the South End. Great old brownstones boarded up with drug deals on every corner.
They’re now million-dollar+ properties.
Well, next time I hit the tip jar, I want a complimentary round of golf on a Sailer-Designed course. The 19th-hole first round is on me. No doubling the bets, I don’t wanna hurt you! Ha!
Scotch, single-malt, I presume?
Your hipster acquaintance should have waited until the Latinos drove out the “native” inhabitants first.
Hmmm…I was there once with my family, with no problem. I look rather Scandinavian though.
It must be that self-segregation is still segregation in the mind of the NYT. The NYT is self-parody.Replies: @hhsiii, @NOTA
I especially liked the bit at the end where the kids were hearing about how they lived in a lousy neighborhood in school, followed by descriptions of what a lousy neighborhood they lived in.
I like to cause the heads of local libs to explode when I tell them that black cops are 3X more likely to shoot than white cops. They always call bullshit, then I tell them to Google “Greg Ridgeway police shooting study” and I hear crickets. They really can’t wrap their heads around reality.
Black cops know their crowd.
Gays are pioneers in gentrification because they don’t have to worry about sending their kids to the local public school that is filled with the current low rent locals.
Lesbians don't make as much of gentrification as gay men do.Replies: @Brutusale
It was a terrific head to tail evisceration.
However, i’ll say i’m with the point about outside cops. I think the Wisconsin law is stupid and bullying. Communities should have the right to only hire police–or any public officials–from inside their community. (If you want to live elsewhere–get your public sector job elsewhere!)
To me this is not just about sensitive plugged-in law enforcement, it’s also about the general idea of community and local control, and at the most general level about any community–race, ethnicity, religion, nation–being able to associate as it likes.
And that desire is actually the underlying message of the article. Blacks actually like living in black communities. They may not like a bunch of the behavior that their fellow blacks generate, but even blacks who are perfectly capable of living elsewhere, *choose* to live around other blacks and put up with their crap, because those blacks are *their people*. The article keeps up the constant finger wagging about bad, nasty, evil “segregation” but it’s clear that this segregation is the result of many choices by blacks as well as whites.
I say, if blacks want to live in a black community with other blacks, live by black norms and be policed by blacks … go for it. But by the same token if whites want to live in a white community, live by white norms and be policed by whites … that’s good too.
Freedom of association means freedom of non-association.
Each is allowed to live anywhere he can afford, that's the greatness of this country, Old Sport!
Black cops know their crowd.Replies: @Jack D
I think black cops are more likely to work in cities that have a large black population so this probably accounts for much of the difference. There are large swathes of suburban/rural white America where shootings by/ at police are exceedingly rare. Nor am I talking about just rural Idaho – as soon as you get beyond the city limits you are often in a completely different world where it comes to the # of shootings.
it was a long newspaper article back in the 90’s, maybe deparle wrote it and latter wrote that book?
Yep. I have lived in a close in suburb for almost 30 years and I cannot remember the last time the local cops shot someone. But the daily black on black urban shootings don’t even make the front page of the local rag anymore.
Do you know of any group more likely to piss away a fortune than “Black athletes”?
Is there a message in there somewhere?
I can tell you from experience all the large public accounting firms are falling over themselves to increase their “diversity”. With 5 years of work you can be making around 100k so this is a pretty good ROI for a state college education.
And gay men are less likely to be attacked in the street than women.
Lesbians don’t make as much of gentrification as gay men do.
Steve, you go to the opera?
I figured you more for the “listening to Styx and Air Supply while you work, but only on it’s original vinyl, because the newer formats compromise the acoustics” type of guy.
And, like, what's your employment record? Nuh huh.I'm doin' fine Spanky. Many of my racial cohorts, however, are not.Replies: @Truth
“Well, giant-chip-on-shoulder grievance mongering doesn’t generally go over well in interviews. I’m sure people can spot you a hundred miles away and know full well that “THIS mo-fo is gonna be nothing but trouble.”
I have never had problems finding employment, I’ve just found jobs that were roughly befitting of my accomplishments, no more.
And I’m guessing they have GED’s and A.A degrees? When is that damn university president going to send the school jet out to pick me up?
“I say, if blacks want to live in a black community with other blacks, live by black norms and be policed by blacks … go for it. But by the same token if whites want to live in a white community, live by white norms and be policed by whites … that’s good too.”
Each is allowed to live anywhere he can afford, that’s the greatness of this country, Old Sport!
They still have some madcap antics going on down there (I’m up north of Boston). Every morning, the “Yewts” of color make the early morning news filler until the weather comes on. Dorchester and Roxbury, too. Meh, compared to the entire region, New England is remarkably (and blessedly) African POC-free. Up here, we have lots of Hispanics, they fill the schools and churches and all speak English and work. They aren’t hateful and violent like you-know-who (or is it whom?).
Chelsea and Springfield have murder rates higher than Boston's.
These started appearing a few years ago around Montauk on Long Island, where a friend of mine lives and is horrified by the spread of the evil fedoras!
No, they have something equivalent to a GED…a Ph.D in education.
I’m north of Boston too, Jim, and I’d still like for you to explain why the heavily-Hispanic Holyoke (48%), Chelsea (62%) and Springfield (38%, and 22% black) are the most violent cities in the Commonwealth.
Chelsea and Springfield have murder rates higher than Boston’s.
Why, it’s almost like they’re natural Conservatives! If only we reach out to them more we’re sure to win elections!
So if white people move into a black neighborhood it is gentrification which is bad, but if they don’t move into a black neighborhood it is racist which is also bad. If black people move into a white neighborhood it is good but if they move into a black neighborhood it is….bad?
Lesbians don't make as much of gentrification as gay men do.Replies: @Brutusale
Gay men change neighborhoods much more than lesbians. That’s because gay men don’t mind other people sharing the neighborhood. Lesbians don’t want anyone in the neighborhood but other lesbians.
And you know this how? 😉
iSteveish noticing things while eating at the good restaurants in the lesbian JP and the gay South End…with my girlfriend!
Never happen. If Hispanics were Republicans, the wall would be to the moon and the Hispanics I see here, well, wouldn’t BE here. Further, Hispanics know Democrats will continue the flow, enabling the rest of their family to move here. All that said, better by a far stretch than Dindu-Nuffins.