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From the New York Times news section:

I’m Still Reading Andrew Sullivan. But I Can’t Defend Him.

He’s one of the most influential journalists of the last three decades, but he’s shadowed by a 1994 magazine cover story that claimed to show a link between race and I.Q.

By Ben Smith
Published Aug. 30, 2020

… I came to Provincetown to better understand why Mr. Sullivan, 57, one of the most influential journalists of his generation and an obvious influence in my own career, is not as welcome as he once was at many mainstream media outlets. But my visit helped me see something more: how Mr. Sullivan is really a fixed point by which we can measure how far American media has moved. He finds himself now on the outside, most of all, because he cannot be talked out of views on race that most of his peers find abhorrent. I know, because I tried.

He was a star in his 20s, when he ran The New Republic, so celebrated that he posed for Annie Leibovitz in a Gap ad in a white T-shirt and a memorably coy expression. He was a master of provocations there that included one that defined him, arguing long before it was part of mainstream political debate that same-sex couples should have the right to marry. But he also published a cover story, an excerpt from “The Bell Curve,” that claimed to show a link between race and I.Q., a decision that has increasingly consumed his legacy. …

Here’s Herrnstein and Murray’s 1994 New Republic article, which the NYT does not link to.

By the way, I wonder how many times Ben Smith, the NYT’s media columnist, has read the 745 page The Bell Curve? Two? Three?

But Mr. Sullivan is, as his friend Johann Hari once wrote, “happiest at war with his own side,” and in the Trump era, he increasingly used the weekly column he began writing in New York magazine in 2016 to dial up criticism of the American left. When the magazine politely showed him the door last month, Mr. Sullivan left legacy media entirely and began charging his fans directly to read his column through the newsletter platform Substack, increasingly a home for star writers who strike out on their own.

He was not, he emphasizes, “canceled.” In fact, he said, his income has risen from less than $200,000 to around $500,000 as a result of the move.

That’s interesting …

Mr. Sullivan isn’t really vulnerable to cancellation. …

… When The Dish was moved behind a paywall in 2013, a White House aide passed on a complaint to Mr. Sullivan: Mr. Obama was locked out of a favorite blog. Mr. Sullivan scrambled to set up a special account for the president.

Cheapskate.

Evidently, however, Obama doesn’t find Sullivan permanently off limits due to his publishing an excerpt from The Bell Curve.

My theory is that Obama owes his entire career to making a high score on the LSAT in 1997, so he’s not quite as much of a science denialist as, say, Ben Smith. (Here’s Obama’s 1994 review of The Bell Curve for NPR. Since then, David Epstein’s 2012 book The Sports Gene has induced Obama to love to talk about the effect of genetic diversity on sports.)

… But as the American examination of racism has intensified, one of Mr. Sullivan’s convictions has grown further out of step and more unsettling even to those inclined to disagree agreeably with him.

… The flap reminded his colleagues and critics of Mr. Sullivan’s original sin, his decision to put on the cover of the Oct. 31, 1994, New Republic a package titled “Race and I.Q.” The package led with an excerpt from the book “The Bell Curve” by the political scientists Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein. They claimed that I.Q. test results are in large part hereditary and reveal differences among races; it produced piles of scientific debunkings. Many — including contributors whom Mr. Sullivan invited to object

Here are the angry responses Sullivan published in the same issue.

— saw the piece as a thinly veiled successor to the junk science used to justify American and European racism for decades. Politically, it offered elites an explanation for racial inequality that wasn’t the legacy of slavery, or class, or racism, or even culture, and thus absolved them of the responsibility to fix it. The authors “found a way for racists to rationalize their racism without losing sleep over it,” the political scientist Alan Wolfe wrote in a response in The New Republic.

When George Floyd was killed in Minneapolis in May, Mr. Sullivan said, his editors asked him to “be careful,” suspecting that his views on race in America would not be palatable to their audience in that moment, two senior New York employees told me. He decided instead to take the week off from column writing.

In the previous year, Mr. Sullivan had focused his ire on the politics of race and identity, seemingly relishing the chance to challenge what he saw as an increasingly “woke” mainstream media. But “The Bell Curve” excerpt — which Mr. Sullivan always says that he published but did not embrace — lingered over those pieces and framed criticism of him. One fellow writer, Sarah Jones, called him the ”office bigot” on Twitter. The new editor of New York, David Haskell, didn’t push him out because of any new controversy or organized staff revolt, the two New York employees said. Instead, the shift in culture had effectively made his publishing of “The Bell Curve” excerpt — and the fact that he never disavowed it — a firing offense, and Mr. Haskell showed Mr. Sullivan the door before the magazine experienced a blowup over race of the sort that have erupted at other publications.

So Sullivan was fired by New York for an article he okayed publishing 26 years before. That’s pretty wild and says a lot about the madness of our day.

So what does Mr. Sullivan believe about race? On his back porch looking over the bay, Mr. Sullivan said he was frustrated by the most extreme claims that biology has no connection to our lives. He believes, for instance, that Freudian theories that early childhood may push people toward homosexuality could have some merit, combined with genetics.

“Everything is environmental for the left except gays, where it’s totally genetic; and everything is genetic for the right, except for gays,” he said sarcastically.

I tried out my most charitable interpretation of his view on race and I.Q. (though I question the underpinnings of the whole intellectual project): that he is most frustrated by the notion that you can’t talk about the influence of biology and genetics on humanity. But that he’s not actually saying he thinks Black people as a group are less intelligent.

But, on average, black people are less intelligent. That’s perhaps the single most documented finding in the history of the social sciences.

The scientific questions remaining include:

  • Is the current gap permanent?
  • Why does the current gap exist?
  • How much of this gap is due to nature and how much to nurture?
  • What, if anything, can be done to narrow this gap?

Back to the NYT:

He’d be equally open to the view, I suggested, that data exploring genetics and its connection to intelligence would find that Black people are on average smarter than other groups.

“It could be, although the evidence is not trending in that direction as far as I pay attention to it. But I don’t much,” he said. (He later told me he’s “open-minded” on the issue and thinks it’s “premature” to weigh the data.)

“I barely write about this,” he went on. “It’s not something I’m obsessed with.”

But he also can’t quite stop himself, even as I sat there wishing he would. “Let’s say Jews. I mean, just look at the Nobel Prize. I’m just saying — there’s something there, I think. And I’m not sure what it is, but I’m just not prepared to accept the whole thing is over.”

… I wish Mr. Sullivan would accept that the project of trying to link the biological fiction of race with the science of genetics ought, in fact, to be over.

Race is a biological fiction! When Harvard geneticist David Reich wrote in the New York Times in 2018 “How Genetics Is Changing Our Understanding of ‘Race’” there are quotes around “Race” so that must mean it’s a biological fiction, right? That’s what everybody at Buzzfeed always said. Was I misinformed by Buzzfeed? I don’t think so!

When I said some of this to Mr. Sullivan, he noted that he had been born and raised in England, and he hasn’t always had perfect footing on American questions of race — though he has seemingly absorbed and mastered so much about American politics.

But his exit out of big media is a very American story. His career, with all its sweep and innovation, can’t ever quite escape that 1994 magazine cover.

Ben Smith is the media columnist. He joined The Times in 2020 after eight years as founding editor in chief of BuzzFeed News. Before that, he covered politics for Politico, The New York Daily News, The New York Observer and The New York Sun. Email: [email protected] @benyt

Seriously, it should be obvious by 8/31/2020 that excluding The Bell Curve from the Overton Window of ideas that you are allowed to discuss out loud without getting cancelled has turned out to be a massive disaster for the country. Today, you aren’t supposed to mention fundamental facts about the realities of life in the United States, such as that blacks average lower in intelligence and higher in crime, and that probably explains racial “inequity” better than vaporing about Systemic Racism.

Because nobody is permitted to be anybody if they point out the possibility that blacks might not be solely victims of whites, but might also have their own tendencies that have evolved over the last 70,000 years of relative continental isolation, the far left keeps winning public arguments.

Say we had public discourse in which on the question of why do blacks get hassled by the cops, the permissible views were:

  • The Left: White people are evil.
  • The Center: Culture matters.
  • The Right: Culture and evolution matter.

The Center view would be better at resisting the racist hate rhetoric of the Left. But without the Right view that evolution matters, the Center is now the Far Right, and therefore is losing badly to the Left.

And that’s why our cities are burning.

Ideas have consequences.

Cancelling ideas has worse consequences.

 
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  1. Ben Smith is the media columnist. He joined The Times in 2020 after eight years as founding editor in chief of BuzzFeed News.

    Joined The Times when again? And from BuzzFeed? Have they ever published anything accurate–ever? Even by accident?

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix, TWS, Charon
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Mr McKenna

    What exactly does a "media columnist" do? It sounds like a piece of decoration found in an italianate mansion on both sides of a balcony.

    Replies: @Forbes, @Alden

    , @Forbes
    @Mr McKenna

    New media site BuzzFeed News was such a roaring success, Ben Smith had to take a wage-earning job with old media company NYT.

    Must be the party is over, as the venture capital guys have turned off the money spigot. Funding paychecks for a product that gets just a stale as day-old bread is not a business model.

  2. He’d be equally open to the view, I suggested, that data exploring genetics and its connection to intelligence would find that Black people are on average smarter than other groups.

    Had the author who wrote this just escaped from some sort of institution for the clinically retarded? Or is ‘Ben Smith’ the pseudonym of a particularly earnest 14 year old girl?

    • Replies: @bigdicknick
    @Kent Nationalist

    these people all come from super affluent communities where magical thinking is allowed to flourish due to the absence of any of the people they're magical thinking about.

    , @res
    @Kent Nationalist

    It seems to be a popular talking point with some people. I have seen that from some Unz commenters. Here is an example from a few years ago.
    https://www.unz.com/article/my-last-word-on-the-scrabble-and-iq-debate-2/?showcomments#comment-2008021


    Let’s assume that science establishes that blacks are genetically smarter than whites (yes, that’s just as plausible as vice versa)
     
    , @Gary5555
    @Kent Nationalist

    The author of that New York Times article, Ben Smith, is so intellectually dishonest. Has anyone in the history of mankind other than perhaps a crazy black supremacist, ever made the claim that blacks are smarter, on average, than other groups?? Unless the “other groups” are people with Down’s Syndrome, who would ever believe such an absurd claim?

  3. his income has risen from less than $200,000 to around $500,000 as a result of the move.

    I’m genuinely surprised that someone like Sullivan can make that amount of money just by writing his stuff. Well I have never really read him or cared much about his opinions. Then again, I never follow any of these personalities and pundits. Except maybe for those here at Unz, and some very obscure bloggers.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Dumbo

    Taiibi also apparently thrives at this. 40$/month.

    Great writer.

    Takedown of D'Angelo is worth a read. Free everywhere.

    Replies: @vinteuil

    , @sayless
    @Dumbo

    I'm glad Andrew Sullivan's income went up after NY Magazine kicked him out.

    Brendan Eich lost his job at Mozilla after one week because it came out that he had donated money to help out that California proposition that would have restricted the word marriage to the union of a man and a woman. Andrew Sullivan went to bat for him, along the lines of, Half the state supported that initiative. Do you want all of them fired too? "Congratulations, bigots. You just lost a computer programmer his job."

    When he let it be known that he had AIDS, he said that only two people in DC contacted him to say they were sorry to hear it, and one of them was Patrick Buchanan.

    Decent person.

    Replies: @Dumbo

    , @Morton's toes
    @Dumbo

    He gets paid 10K for writing and 490k for sucking his boss's cock.

    , @Prester John
    @Dumbo

    And both Sullivan and Smith know about as much about genetics and evolutionary biology as I do--which is zilch!

    , @AnotherDad
    @Dumbo



    his income has risen from less than $200,000 to around $500,000 as a result of the move.
     
    I’m genuinely surprised that someone like Sullivan can make that amount of money just by writing his stuff. Well I have never really read him or cared much about his opinions. Then again, I never follow any of these personalities and pundits. Except maybe for those here at Unz, and some very obscure bloggers.
     
    Same thought. I can't understand why anyone would pay to read Andrew Sullivan.

    I read his blog a bit 15-20 years ago during Bush 2, when someone or another else i was reading linked to it as worthwhile. His affect is struck me as pretty gay. Andrew is excited about some idea or another that's popped into his head and now it's the most important thing in the world! None of which were actually important.

    What's actually important is never new fresh and exciting--and least of all gay.

    What's actually important is the same old, same old--maintenance:

    Maintaining and improving the genetic and cultural reproduction of a civilization.

    That's what's been under attack the last 50+ in the US/the West by minoritarianism and the source of all our ills. And anyone saying anything important essentially has to be talking about that and attacking/debunking minoritarianism or they simply aren't saying anything important at all.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Jim Don Bob

  4. The remaining scientific questions are:

    Why does the current gap exist?

    Is the current gap permanent?

    How much of this gap is due to nature and how much to nurture?

    What, if anything, can be done to narrow this gap?

    Are you talking about Blacks or Sullivan’s bunghole? I keed, I keed

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    At this point in time, both are simply impossible to narrow...

  5. For Astaire level tap dancing bring up the topic of Rhodesia/Zimbabwe.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    @Bill Jones

    Or South Africa.

    , @Carol
    @Bill Jones

    The answer is "white man, colonialism, etc."

    Next question.

  6. It sounds like Mr. Sullivan is damn near groveling about it. Groveling is not good enough though. 2 + 2 doesn’t equal 5 for him yet. To not get cancelled, he’s got to REALLY LUV BIG BROTHER. Then, they’ll cancel him anyway, for sport.

    BTW, that was a good explanation of what the Overton Window means. I used to hear about it from Glenn Beck, way back when he’d write on that rotatable chalk board on CNN in the evenings*. That was before he became cucked-out. Whatever happened to Glenn Beck?

    .

    * I didn’t have a TV even then, but liked to go to a clubhouse that had TV, better air conditioning, and snacks just to watch the one show for an hour.

    • Replies: @tyrone
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Beck is so sorry for all the hateful things he said about Trump….. the cheetos stunt……seams like yesterday…….deplorables have long memories too.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Moses
    @Achmed E. Newman


    The number one reason why white people like not having a TV is so that they can tell you that they don’t have a TV.
     
    Lol

    https://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/26/28-not-having-a-tv/

    Replies: @El Dato, @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Neo-Socratic
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Whatever happened to Glenn Beck?
     
    Glenn Beck had a chalkboard episode where he discussed the Frankfurt School, their move to America and the immense damage they've done. 9 of the 10 people he named were Jewish.

    Need I say more?

    The question surrounding that infamous episode is whether or not Beck knew that fact.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  7. I didn’t realize this before, but Andrew Sullivan and John O’Sullivan are different people.

    • LOL: Chrisnonymous
  8. Black people are far more intelligent on average than white people. Indeed, they are much quicker to learn and engage with complex ideas than Chinese people, Jews, Indians and all other groups. These are facts. Undeniable. Just as is the fact that they have the highest number of world-changing geniuses of any racial cleavage in human history.

    This is why our past is just an endless parade to black intellectual achievement and why there is not one subject of academic expertise where the critical ideas were not originated in black brains.

    There would have been no technological, nor philosophical, nor sociological progress, in any part of the globe, without black people. The entire world owes them their admiration and respect and the total freedom to continue to generously provides all advances of human-kind.

    End of topic.

    • LOL: TWS
    • Troll: Carol
    • Replies: @tyrone
    @Not Only Wrathful

    WOW!…..now boil that down so it's short and sweet like……. a hail Mary or an our father…….

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @Gary in Gramercy

    , @The Alarmist
    @Not Only Wrathful

    How can you say this at a time when Wakanda (walk on da what?) has lost one of its greatest?

    Chadwick Boseman, RIP

    https://cdn.onlinenigeria.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/chadwick-boseman-world-pays-tributes-to-black-panther-actor-1.jpg?iv=156

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Charles St. Charles

    , @Dumbo
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Truth be said, while HBD whites keep blathering on about White IQ superiority and bigger contribution to civilization, etc, what I see in practice is white people reducing their birthrate evermore and culturally degenerating, and Blacks expanding everywhere from Wakanda, oops, that one doesn't exist, from Nigeria to Finland, and becoming ever more present in popular culture (so much that many whites, even in Europe, become whiggers). Yeah yeah it's the (((Jews))), but...

    , @Charon
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Angling for some of that sweet MSM lucre I see!

    , @anon
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Our Black Fathers, who art in America
    hallowed be thy Name,
    thy kingdom come,
    thy will be done,
    on earth as it is in Africa

    Give us this day our daily lectures
    And forgive us our micro aggressions
    as we forgive those
    who rape and murder us.

    And lead us not into racism,
    but deliver us from privilege

    For thine is the kingdom,
    and the power, and the glory,
    for ever and ever. Amen.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  9. (1) What always annoyed me about Sullivan is that he’d be rabidly IDPol about the gays, but remarkably angry if anyone else tried the same. Has that changed? Because it was very aggravating.

    (2) The Bell Curve is at least 90% about White people. For the people having embolisms explicity about its statements in the Blacks, does that mean they accept that working class Whites tend to be less intelligent?

    (3) The book gets the overall thesis right, but a lot of what’s in it is just wrong. Why not go after that rather than looking illiterate?

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Jesse

    Regarding 2, most of the non-black stuff gets brought up all the time, good people just don't say they found out about it by reading Charles Murray.

    , @Charles St. Charles
    @Jesse


    The book gets the overall thesis right, but a lot of what’s in it is just wrong. Why not go after that rather than looking illiterate?
     
    Because they’re not allowed to actually read the book, only the “debunkings”.
  10. @Achmed E. Newman
    It sounds like Mr. Sullivan is damn near groveling about it. Groveling is not good enough though. 2 + 2 doesn't equal 5 for him yet. To not get cancelled, he's got to REALLY LUV BIG BROTHER. Then, they'll cancel him anyway, for sport.

    BTW, that was a good explanation of what the Overton Window means. I used to hear about it from Glenn Beck, way back when he'd write on that rotatable chalk board on CNN in the evenings*. That was before he became cucked-out. Whatever happened to Glenn Beck?

    .

    * I didn't have a TV even then, but liked to go to a clubhouse that had TV, better air conditioning, and snacks just to watch the one show for an hour.

    Replies: @tyrone, @Moses, @Neo-Socratic

    Beck is so sorry for all the hateful things he said about Trump….. the cheetos stunt……seams like yesterday…….deplorables have long memories too.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @tyrone

    I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not, Tyrone, sorry. I guess I really don't keep up with these jackasses.

  11. I came to Provincetown and mentioned it immediately to justify a subsidized holiday. Totally justifiable expense. Totally.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Foreign Expert

    Maybe Ben and Andy did a little bare backing.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  12. @Not Only Wrathful
    Black people are far more intelligent on average than white people. Indeed, they are much quicker to learn and engage with complex ideas than Chinese people, Jews, Indians and all other groups. These are facts. Undeniable. Just as is the fact that they have the highest number of world-changing geniuses of any racial cleavage in human history.

    This is why our past is just an endless parade to black intellectual achievement and why there is not one subject of academic expertise where the critical ideas were not originated in black brains.

    There would have been no technological, nor philosophical, nor sociological progress, in any part of the globe, without black people. The entire world owes them their admiration and respect and the total freedom to continue to generously provides all advances of human-kind.

    End of topic.

    Replies: @tyrone, @The Alarmist, @Dumbo, @Charon, @anon

    WOW!…..now boil that down so it’s short and sweet like……. a hail Mary or an our father…….

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @tyrone

    "Black people are the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful people I've ever known in my life."

    Replies: @tyrone

    , @Gary in Gramercy
    @tyrone

    "Black people are the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful people I've ever known in my life."

  13. @Jesse
    (1) What always annoyed me about Sullivan is that he'd be rabidly IDPol about the gays, but remarkably angry if anyone else tried the same. Has that changed? Because it was very aggravating.

    (2) The Bell Curve is at least 90% about White people. For the people having embolisms explicity about its statements in the Blacks, does that mean they accept that working class Whites tend to be less intelligent?

    (3) The book gets the overall thesis right, but a lot of what's in it is just wrong. Why not go after that rather than looking illiterate?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Charles St. Charles

    Regarding 2, most of the non-black stuff gets brought up all the time, good people just don’t say they found out about it by reading Charles Murray.

  14. I ran across this article in the NYTimes RSS feed. The NYTimes has been changing its paywall since the pandemic, at one point removing it entirely. Currently the known hack of reloading + Esc seems no longer to work. Happily, the older strategem of searching for the article by title in news.google.com permits one to breach the paywall and read the article in its entirety.

    Sullivan as he says does not embrace the findings of Murray & Herrenstein’s The Bell Curve. He is not out of the closet on the genetic IQ inferiority of blacks. That is the great shiboleth of polite society: whatever everybody knows to be the case and says viva voce may not be printed. Sullivan owns a small cottage in Provincetown with a view of the sea and is bedevilled by noisy queers at a local bar. I have been to Provincetown a number of times in days gone by so I feel his pain. Apparently Sullivan keeps his AIDS at bay with medication. I read that he is a conflicted Roman Catholic. Poor dear!

    • Thanks: Calvin Hobbes
    • Replies: @Wicks Cherrycoke
    @Anonymouse


    Currently the known hack of reloading + Esc seems no longer to work. Happily, the older strategem of searching for the article by title in news.google.com permits one to breach the paywall and read the article in its entirety.
     
    Clear the nytimes site cookies before loading the page.
    I use the brave browser and it works every time.
    , @Clyde
    @Anonymouse

    https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome

  15. I am starting to get the feeling that Pelosi and Biden and so many people on the left have recently gone so far Bagdad Bob that, in fact, they have thrown open the Overton window. People can rationally follow the science again without too much fear of all their crazy screaming.

    Because they are crazy, and what they promote and propose have been total disasters.

    Especially for black folks, who deserve much better than what the left gives them.

    I sincerely appreciate Steve’s brave effort to make the US a better, fairer country for all its citizens.

    This is a very noble cause Steve.

  16. Does Sullivan still have “To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle.” on his banner?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @wren


    Does Sullivan still have “To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle.” on his banner?
     
    You probably don't want to see what is in front of Sullivan's nose.
  17. Related:

    Rapper 50 cent says cancel culture targets straight men. He’s on the right track, but then again there is something missing from his statement. I wonder what it could be?

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/rapper-50-cent-cancel-culture-unfair-and-targets-straight-men

  18. I wish Mr. Sullivan would accept that the project of trying to link the biological fiction of race with the science of genetics ought, in fact, to be over.

    Mr. Smith received his biology degree from where?

    Birds of a feather flock together … except for the self-loathing white ones, who want to be hip.

  19. Delightful to see that this NYT article has aroused a most charming rebuttal from Mr. Sailer. What amazes me most is that Ben Smith is not generally a stupid man, but he accepts the role of Scourge of Heretics and even is un-self-conscious enough in doing so to employ the term “original sin”. Mr. Sailer is 100% right that Sullivan’s firing by New York magazine “for an article he okayed publishing 26 years before … says a lot about the madness of our day.” And Andrew Sullivan isn’t even really contesting the orthodoxy; he’s merely refusing to agree to it. He isn’t saying that the intelligence of black people is less than that of whites but only that it might be because so much evidence suggests it. The NY Times is leading us all into a really crazy world, where a failure to affirm the catechism publicly is of course a firing offense. (Oh my God, I’m starting to sound just like one of those commentators to Unz Review articles!)

    • Replies: @Moses
    @Tono Bungay


    The NY Times is leading us all into a really crazy world, where a failure to affirm the catechism publicly is of course a firing offense.
     
    Yes

    https://twitter.com/Harlan/status/1298276096065052672

  20. @Not Only Wrathful
    Black people are far more intelligent on average than white people. Indeed, they are much quicker to learn and engage with complex ideas than Chinese people, Jews, Indians and all other groups. These are facts. Undeniable. Just as is the fact that they have the highest number of world-changing geniuses of any racial cleavage in human history.

    This is why our past is just an endless parade to black intellectual achievement and why there is not one subject of academic expertise where the critical ideas were not originated in black brains.

    There would have been no technological, nor philosophical, nor sociological progress, in any part of the globe, without black people. The entire world owes them their admiration and respect and the total freedom to continue to generously provides all advances of human-kind.

    End of topic.

    Replies: @tyrone, @The Alarmist, @Dumbo, @Charon, @anon

    How can you say this at a time when Wakanda (walk on da what?) has lost one of its greatest?

    Chadwick Boseman, RIP

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @The Alarmist

    Wakanda isn't real, but making it seem kind of real while you are dying of cancer is impressive.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Mr McKenna, @Altai, @BB753, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Charles St. Charles
    @The Alarmist


    Chadwick Boseman, RIP
     
    “Everybody dies; it was his turn.”
    — Hondo Lane

    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/271379739906-0-1/s-l1000.jpg

  21. Like the Spanish Inquisition, they are obsessed with making heretics recant and abjectly apologise before they cancel them anyway. You’d think they’d dangle some carrots but nope. I think it’s an expression of power as much as anything.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
    @Nikolai Vladivostok

    Cannot be repeated too often...


    Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.

    Theodore Dalrymple

    , @ia
    @Nikolai Vladivostok


    Like the Spanish Inquisition
     
    Nah, Cathars and others were gnostics who held clearly defined doctrinal heresies. Modernist cancel culture is more like fitna, offense to the prophet. Except there is no prophet and doctrine. Only endless, vague and shifting offenses to blacks (whom nobody actually believes are sacred anyway).
  22. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The remaining scientific questions are:

    Why does the current gap exist?

    Is the current gap permanent?

    How much of this gap is due to nature and how much to nurture?

    What, if anything, can be done to narrow this gap?
     
    Are you talking about Blacks or Sullivan’s bunghole? I keed, I keed ...

    https://imagevars.gulfnews.com/2015/1/11/1_16a07fa5cfb.1439315_1684494541_16a07fa5cfb_medium.jpg

    Replies: @Dumbo

    At this point in time, both are simply impossible to narrow…

  23. @The Alarmist
    @Not Only Wrathful

    How can you say this at a time when Wakanda (walk on da what?) has lost one of its greatest?

    Chadwick Boseman, RIP

    https://cdn.onlinenigeria.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/chadwick-boseman-world-pays-tributes-to-black-panther-actor-1.jpg?iv=156

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Charles St. Charles

    Wakanda isn’t real, but making it seem kind of real while you are dying of cancer is impressive.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Steve Sailer

    Tru dat. While it didn’t take a village to bring Wakanda to life, it did not hurt to have a talented cast, a production crew, a ton of pre- and post-production, beaucoup bucks, and a lot of media hype.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    , @Mr McKenna
    @Steve Sailer


    Wakanda isn’t real
     
    Shut yo mouth white boy.

    he hasn’t always had perfect footing on American questions of race
     
    See? You and Sullivan have one more thing in common.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    , @Altai
    @Steve Sailer

    It certainly makes his maintaining that physique for 3 films very impressive, (And almost inevitably he lost a lot of it between the films and had to pack it back on again or maybe they gave him a break in the ones where he didn't have to be shirtless) even with PEDs. He was diagnosed shortly after or before being cast. I wonder how much he told Disney though since there was time after his diagnosis to recast. Colon cancer is no joke.

    But Boseman didn't have a lot of raw screen charisma, he was a good actor but his lack of screen charisma tied with the dull personality of Black Panther made him fade into the background in his own movie. There were rumours of Michael B Jordan's (Who is far more screen charismatic and handsome, albeit a lot lighter skinned too) character 'Killmonger' might be back (Despite it being implied but not shown that he died) but now that Boseman is gone and it'd be seen as wrong to recast, I assume he'll come back to be reframed heroically as suits the zeitgeist where his statements aren't all that different to NYT editorials.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @ep, @jon, @ep, @syonredux

    , @BB753
    @Steve Sailer

    Kind of suspicious, if you ask me.

    Replies: @indocon

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    Wakanda isn’t real...
     
    Wakanda is very real.



    https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/chippewa.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/6/d0/6d0dde36-f690-5ed4-aec7-eb260da1e2b8/594d7b78cede0.image.jpg




    It's also very white-- some of the adjacent block groups 100% so, according to the 2010 census.


    https://datausa.io/profile/geo/menomonie-wi#demographics

    http://www.energyjustice.net/justice/
  24. @Not Only Wrathful
    Black people are far more intelligent on average than white people. Indeed, they are much quicker to learn and engage with complex ideas than Chinese people, Jews, Indians and all other groups. These are facts. Undeniable. Just as is the fact that they have the highest number of world-changing geniuses of any racial cleavage in human history.

    This is why our past is just an endless parade to black intellectual achievement and why there is not one subject of academic expertise where the critical ideas were not originated in black brains.

    There would have been no technological, nor philosophical, nor sociological progress, in any part of the globe, without black people. The entire world owes them their admiration and respect and the total freedom to continue to generously provides all advances of human-kind.

    End of topic.

    Replies: @tyrone, @The Alarmist, @Dumbo, @Charon, @anon

    Truth be said, while HBD whites keep blathering on about White IQ superiority and bigger contribution to civilization, etc, what I see in practice is white people reducing their birthrate evermore and culturally degenerating, and Blacks expanding everywhere from Wakanda, oops, that one doesn’t exist, from Nigeria to Finland, and becoming ever more present in popular culture (so much that many whites, even in Europe, become whiggers). Yeah yeah it’s the (((Jews))), but…

  25. When I said some of this to Mr. Sullivan, he noted that he had been born and raised in England, and he hasn’t always had perfect footing on American questions of race

    Have the big brains at the NYT ever considered that American narratives about race are distinctly weird and tinged with emotion and might be highly dysfunctional. I thought they liked the outsider perspective of immigrants? You’re not even allowed to say a certain racial slur even in reference.* That’s already weird on it’s own but it’s even weirder in a society that has done everything to remove all limits on taste and taboo, people under the age of 50 regularly curse in normal conversation.

    * My favourite example being the famous black-ish writer Walter Mosley who got almost immediately quit from the new Star Trek series after being hired due to the terrible incompetence of the heavily under 35 female writers room. Not being used to a modern corporate setting Mosley got irate when he was called before HR due to an anonymous complaint about his using the ‘N word’ when recounting it’s use 50 years ago in his youth and quit, probably not gelling with his new coworkers anyway.
    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/walter-mosley-quits-star-trek-discovery-using-n-word-writers-room-1237489

    More recently a BBC DJ with an ego the size of a small moon thought he would punish the BBC by denying them his employment after an English reporter recounted the use of the word in an assault after being asked by the family to mention it in the obvious interest of a progressive ‘anti-racist’ agenda. The word does not have the history or emotionality it does in the US in Britain though it is a racial slur and thus taboo to use as a slur. But the reporter wasn’t using it as a slur but reporting on somebody else using it. This wasn’t the point for DJ Sideman who objected to ‘a white person saying the n-word’ in the abstract. In their defense the BBC stood by the action and gave Sideman the opportunity to make himself look like pompous fool in giving his reasoning.

    And just last week the gay Jewish immigrant Anglophonic Montreal born Noah Schnapp (Who had his Bar Mitzvah in Israel) adolescent child star of Netflix’s Stranger Things, who should be basically cancel-proof by the MSM by virtue of any one of the above let alone all of them, encountered the Twitter mob who called for his cancellation. His crime? A video posted by one of his friends on instagram showing him signing along to a major release song. What’s wrong with singing along to the lyrics of a major release song? You can probably guess. Schanpp’s defense which I assumed prior to watching the video was the most ridiculous thing I’d ever heard? He claimed he was actually saying ‘neighbour’ and that his friends and he had made it an inside joke to do this. And sure enough I watched the video and he was singing ‘neighbour’. So we have now members of oversocialised Gen Z who have learned to substitute the word even when in each others company with no black people around to offend due to it’s ubiquitous use in mainstream popular music.

    • Thanks: El Dato
    • Replies: @Redman
    @Altai

    I’ve had the “pleasure” of representing defendants in criminal matters here in NY on both sides of the “nigger” question in the late 1990s.

    First, I represented a very nice black security guard (call him John) arrested for assault while working the front desk of a high rise apartment building after a fire broke out on the 23rd floor. A resident had grown irate when John wouldn’t let him up to see if his wife and child supposedly in the apartment. During the argument, out came the n-word, and John was finished talking. Beating ensued.

    Second, I represented a wealthy Manhattan businessman (call him Jim) charged with aggravated disorderly conduct for using the N-word during an argument with another building security guard. This was right after the new hate speech rules had been implemented as aggravating factors for ordinary crimes like assault and DC.

    In the first case I relied on the N-word as a mitigating factor which should have justified John’s assault. In the second case, I argued that the hate law was unconstitutional, which I still believe to be true. Around that same time (late 1990s), the use of the N-word by blacks in rap music exploded and, in my view, was entirely inauthentic. Excessive use of the N-word was really a coverup. A symptom of rap music’s exhaustion as a musical form. Playing off the success of NWA and the Ghetto Boys, rappers had to double down on the putative power of violent black males. Gangsta rap encouraged nihilistic violence without any pretense of political significance, like the earlier songs of Public Enemy.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Jim Don Bob, @Altai

  26. Poor old Ben Smith, he sounds as if he was dreaming of being sodomised by Sullivan after they watched clips of Obama’s greatest speeches together.

  27. @Steve Sailer
    @The Alarmist

    Wakanda isn't real, but making it seem kind of real while you are dying of cancer is impressive.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Mr McKenna, @Altai, @BB753, @Reg Cæsar

    Tru dat. While it didn’t take a village to bring Wakanda to life, it did not hurt to have a talented cast, a production crew, a ton of pre- and post-production, beaucoup bucks, and a lot of media hype.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @The Alarmist


    Tru dat. While it didn’t take a village to bring Wakanda to life, it did not hurt to have a talented cast, a production crew, a ton of pre- and post-production, beaucoup bucks, and a lot of media hype.
     
    They should have employed Steve who might have told them that it was bad optics for a bunch of spear chuckers to chuck spears throughout a film about a fictional intelligent tribe of Africans.
  28. @Steve Sailer
    @The Alarmist

    Wakanda isn't real, but making it seem kind of real while you are dying of cancer is impressive.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Mr McKenna, @Altai, @BB753, @Reg Cæsar

    Wakanda isn’t real

    Shut yo mouth white boy.

    he hasn’t always had perfect footing on American questions of race

    See? You and Sullivan have one more thing in common.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @Mr McKenna


    See? You and Sullivan have one more thing in common.
     
    Wait, are you suggesting that Sailer is Sullivan? Other notable coincidences:

    Sullivan is out of the closet - Sailer is still in his closet

    Sullivan loves him some sailers and seamen

    Both start with an S and sound similar when spoken with a lisp.
  29. No one wants to notice that the most successful ethnic/racial groups in the US generally come from groups that have notable achievements in their history pre-arrival, and the less successful come from groups that tend not to have the most glorious past to boast of.

    In our current moment, the evidence of group differences are all around us, and it takes a constant struggle to ignore what is right in front of one’s face.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Arclight

    Arc, or simply the the ability to recognize the accomplishments of others and try to emulate them. Of course this is pre-approbriations thought on my part.

    Replies: @Arclight

  30. @Steve Sailer
    @The Alarmist

    Wakanda isn't real, but making it seem kind of real while you are dying of cancer is impressive.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Mr McKenna, @Altai, @BB753, @Reg Cæsar

    It certainly makes his maintaining that physique for 3 films very impressive, (And almost inevitably he lost a lot of it between the films and had to pack it back on again or maybe they gave him a break in the ones where he didn’t have to be shirtless) even with PEDs. He was diagnosed shortly after or before being cast. I wonder how much he told Disney though since there was time after his diagnosis to recast. Colon cancer is no joke.

    But Boseman didn’t have a lot of raw screen charisma, he was a good actor but his lack of screen charisma tied with the dull personality of Black Panther made him fade into the background in his own movie. There were rumours of Michael B Jordan’s (Who is far more screen charismatic and handsome, albeit a lot lighter skinned too) character ‘Killmonger’ might be back (Despite it being implied but not shown that he died) but now that Boseman is gone and it’d be seen as wrong to recast, I assume he’ll come back to be reframed heroically as suits the zeitgeist where his statements aren’t all that different to NYT editorials.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Altai

    It’s clear Steve Sailer has an affinity and admiration for Boseman due to Sailer having gone through his own bought with cancer and realizing how it kicks your ass and leaves you so depleted that the thought of being able to star in a full-length film, and do it well, seems superhuman.

    , @ep
    @Altai

    Michael B. Jordan is good—and has charisma. Handsome, not so much; if you look at his early work in The Wire, it's clear he has a severely receding chin. It would seem that the goatee he wears is designed to disguise this...

    , @jon
    @Altai


    even with PEDs
     
    If he was stupid enough to take steroids when he had cancer ...
    , @ep
    @Altai

    Michael B. Jordan is good—and has charisma. Handsome, not so much; if you look at his early work in The Wire, it's clear he has a severely receding chin. It would seem that the goatee he wears is designed to disguise this...

    , @syonredux
    @Altai

    Michael B Jordan's level of trap development is kinda suspicious. The traps are highly responsive to steroids.....





    https://images.hellogiggles.com/uploads/2018/05/08124539/mjb.png

    Replies: @Moses, @Altai, @A well-known secret

  31. How can the left deny any biological or genetic differences between races while still claiming “diversity” differences exist?

    Is “diversity” a scam then?

    If we are inherently different based on diversity, why are we supposed to proportionately succeed due to “equity”?

    “We are inherently different, but should succeed as if we aren’t different?” — “Say what!”

    • Replies: @Cortes
    @eddy wobegon

    Excellent! Thanks.

  32. You wanna mess with someone’s mind?

    Challenge interracial marriage in the mildest terms

    Watch them spiral and reveal their true face

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Flip
    @Anonymous

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VYWnU610pE

    , @John Johnson
    @Anonymous

    You wanna mess with someone’s mind?

    Challenge interracial marriage in the mildest terms

    Don't bother with mild terms.

    Ask if there are increased risk of poor birth outcome with mixed race children.

    It's been known for a long time.

    Interestingly the White male/Black female couple has even higher risk than White female/Black male.

    This is most likely because Black female bodies are not designed for White children.

    A lot of this data is kept from the public for obvious reasons.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  33. “Here’s Obama’s 1994 review of The Bell Curve for NPR”

    All that you’ll learn from his “review” is that he never read the book, not a page, not even the jacket copy.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @Nicholas Stix

    Obama wrote that in late October 1994. The NBA season would have been scheduled to start within a few days, you can't expect him to read an entire book under that kind of deadline. They should still cancel him for his comments about too many blacks thinking hard work, self discipline and respect are outdated.

  34. The correlation between the IQ scores of identical twins reared apart is almost indistinguishable from the correlation between the scores of a single person being retested. The correlation between the scores of adopted siblings raised together is almost indistinguishable from that of the scores of two randomly-selected individuals of the same ethnicity. This has been known and continuously re-verified for a century.

    Of course, you knew that already. Have any of the Ben Smiths of the world debunked the claim that genetics may have a little something to do with this phenomenon? I’ve never seen it convincingly demonstrated, or even attempted.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  35. “Because nobody is permitted to be anybody if they point out the possibility that blacks might not be solely victims of whites, but might also have their own tendencies that have evolved over the last 70,000 years of relative continental isolation”

    I was under the impression that the 70,000 years referred to the time that has elapsed since ancestors of today’s Europeans said farewell to their North African brothers and sisters.

    Our last shared ancestor with Sub Saharan Africans lived 200,000 years ago. And since that time, the Sub Saharans have interbred with a very primitive, no-longer-around hominid whose last link with the line from which homo sapiens descend was 700,000 years ago. And, unlike our interbreeding with Neanderthals which took place 35,000 years ago, they interbred with this ancient line right up to modern times.

    In other words, the rift between modern Europeans and Africans is wide and deep. Papering it over with feel-good slogans won’t change the underlying reality.

    And secondly, East coast Jews are obsessed with each other. Writing and reading about what each writes and reads about one another. Really not much creative work going on here. Are any of these people building anything or are they too busy taking pictures of and writing about each other?

  36. @Jesse
    (1) What always annoyed me about Sullivan is that he'd be rabidly IDPol about the gays, but remarkably angry if anyone else tried the same. Has that changed? Because it was very aggravating.

    (2) The Bell Curve is at least 90% about White people. For the people having embolisms explicity about its statements in the Blacks, does that mean they accept that working class Whites tend to be less intelligent?

    (3) The book gets the overall thesis right, but a lot of what's in it is just wrong. Why not go after that rather than looking illiterate?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Charles St. Charles

    The book gets the overall thesis right, but a lot of what’s in it is just wrong. Why not go after that rather than looking illiterate?

    Because they’re not allowed to actually read the book, only the “debunkings”.

  37. This is not journalism. The writer is not doing a story about Andrew Sullivan, Andrew Sullivan is merely a prop that this moron is using to affirm his superior virtue. Notice how much of the article refers to the writer instead of the subject. And, disregarding the self-absorption, it’s not even good writing.

    • Agree: Muggles
  38. @tyrone
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Beck is so sorry for all the hateful things he said about Trump….. the cheetos stunt……seams like yesterday…….deplorables have long memories too.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    I can’t tell if you are being sarcastic or not, Tyrone, sorry. I guess I really don’t keep up with these jackasses.

  39. Ben Smith Gives Buzzfeed the OK to Call Donald Trump a Racist

    https://forward.com/schmooze/326455/ben-smith-gives-buzzfeed-the-ok-to-call-donald-trump-a-racist/

    Smith, who is Jewish, has since posted the entire memo to his Twitter page:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/benyt/status/674417675813019648

    • Replies: @Meretricious
    @Jay K

    Smith has a Jewish mother--judging from his red hair, I'd guess his father is Irish--but he sure ain't a member of the tribe

  40. Ben Smith: “They claimed that I.Q. test results are in large part hereditary and reveal differences among races; it produced piles of scientific debunkings.”

    There were no “scientific debunkings,” not a one. Heaping contempt on real science is the furthest thing from a “scientific debunking.”

    “Junk science”: That’s what racial socialists call real science.

    Ben Smith was one of the founders of a rag that, during his tenure, published the fake “dossier,” after even the nyt refused to. That makes him one of the most crooked editors in journalistic history, and part of a criminal conspiracy to commit sedition.

    • Agree: Coemgen, Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Eagle Eye
    @Nicholas Stix


    Ben Smith was one of the founders of a rag that, during his tenure, published the fake “dossier,” after even the nyt refused to.
     
    Ben Smith was hired to be the *front man for an NYT cutout operation used to publish disreputable material which could then be referenced in public "discourse."
  41. @Anonymouse
    I ran across this article in the NYTimes RSS feed. The NYTimes has been changing its paywall since the pandemic, at one point removing it entirely. Currently the known hack of reloading + Esc seems no longer to work. Happily, the older strategem of searching for the article by title in news.google.com permits one to breach the paywall and read the article in its entirety.

    Sullivan as he says does not embrace the findings of Murray & Herrenstein's The Bell Curve. He is not out of the closet on the genetic IQ inferiority of blacks. That is the great shiboleth of polite society: whatever everybody knows to be the case and says viva voce may not be printed. Sullivan owns a small cottage in Provincetown with a view of the sea and is bedevilled by noisy queers at a local bar. I have been to Provincetown a number of times in days gone by so I feel his pain. Apparently Sullivan keeps his AIDS at bay with medication. I read that he is a conflicted Roman Catholic. Poor dear!

    Replies: @Wicks Cherrycoke, @Clyde

    Currently the known hack of reloading + Esc seems no longer to work. Happily, the older strategem of searching for the article by title in news.google.com permits one to breach the paywall and read the article in its entirety.

    Clear the nytimes site cookies before loading the page.
    I use the brave browser and it works every time.

  42. By the way, I wonder how many times Ben Smith, the NYT’s media columnist, has read the 745 page The Bell Curve? Two? Three?

    Why does Steve think he’s read it multiple times?

    • Replies: @res
    @Anonymous

    Sarcasm, I think. I'd be surprised if he has read it through even once (I'd be happy to be proven wrong). Though he might have read these chapters multiple times.
    Chapter 13, Ethnic Differences in Cognitive Ability
    Chapter 14, Ethnic Inequalities in Relation to IQ Summary and Analysis

    This Quillette article is worth reading.
    https://quillette.com/2017/03/27/a-tale-of-two-bell-curves/

    The concluding paragraph.


    There are two versions of The Bell Curve. The first is a disgusting and bigoted fraud. The second is a judicious but provocative look at intelligence and its increasing importance in the United States. The first is a fiction. And the second is the real Bell Curve. Because many, if not most, of the pundits who assailed The Bell Curve did not and have not bothered to read it, the fictitious Bell Curve has thrived and continues to inspire furious denunciations. We have suggested that almost all of the proposals of The Bell Curve are plausible. Of course, it is possible that some are incorrect. But we will only know which ones if people responsibly engage the real Bell Curve instead of castigating a caricature.
     
  43. 1984.

    “Say it, Winston. There are no race differences. All people are equal in intelligence and abilities.”

    “Are you with Big Brother, or are you with Goldstein?”

  44. Anonymous[293] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai
    @Steve Sailer

    It certainly makes his maintaining that physique for 3 films very impressive, (And almost inevitably he lost a lot of it between the films and had to pack it back on again or maybe they gave him a break in the ones where he didn't have to be shirtless) even with PEDs. He was diagnosed shortly after or before being cast. I wonder how much he told Disney though since there was time after his diagnosis to recast. Colon cancer is no joke.

    But Boseman didn't have a lot of raw screen charisma, he was a good actor but his lack of screen charisma tied with the dull personality of Black Panther made him fade into the background in his own movie. There were rumours of Michael B Jordan's (Who is far more screen charismatic and handsome, albeit a lot lighter skinned too) character 'Killmonger' might be back (Despite it being implied but not shown that he died) but now that Boseman is gone and it'd be seen as wrong to recast, I assume he'll come back to be reframed heroically as suits the zeitgeist where his statements aren't all that different to NYT editorials.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @ep, @jon, @ep, @syonredux

    It’s clear Steve Sailer has an affinity and admiration for Boseman due to Sailer having gone through his own bought with cancer and realizing how it kicks your ass and leaves you so depleted that the thought of being able to star in a full-length film, and do it well, seems superhuman.

  45. @Mr McKenna

    Ben Smith is the media columnist. He joined The Times in 2020 after eight years as founding editor in chief of BuzzFeed News.
     
    Joined The Times when again? And from BuzzFeed? Have they ever published anything accurate--ever? Even by accident?

    Replies: @El Dato, @Forbes

    What exactly does a “media columnist” do? It sounds like a piece of decoration found in an italianate mansion on both sides of a balcony.

    • LOL: Richard S
    • Replies: @Forbes
    @El Dato

    He's the columnist who gets to write about media's favorite subject--themselves.

    Smith is the navel-gazer-in-chief. A media narcissist above all other narcissists.

    , @Alden
    @El Dato

    What is it, Ionic, Doric, Corinthian and Media columns?? A media columnist reads columns and articles in his own newspaper and writes about them. Strange how people make a living nowadays.

  46. And on the subject of the changing definitions of ‘racism’. I thought it would be funny to go through the wikipedia page on ‘Racism’ to see how that changed over time.

    2003 (December 4th) is the farthest back the ‘InternetWayBackMacine’ would take me. At this time it is important to remember the internet was dominated by men on the spectrum and in an English language sense this meant American men.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20031204020912/http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

    Racism is a phenomenon in which people mistreat, discriminate against, dislike, or even hate, have disdain for, or regard as inferior, other people based on what is regarded to be their race. The word racism is almost always used pejoratively, with accusations of racism being common but with few describing themselves as racist. The term racialism is sometimes favored as a less negative term by those who hold certain beliefs about race that they believe to be scientifically justified.

    Notable in this early stage Israel and the Palestinians are mentioned. Though even this is filtered in a way that implies a demographic bias perhaps in the editors.

    Table of contents [hide]
    1 Origins of racism
    2 Expressions
    3 History of racism in the modern world
    3.1 United States of America
    3.2 Imperial Germany and Austria-Hungary
    3.3 Nazi Germany
    3.4 South Africa
    3.5 United Kingdom
    3.6 Israel and the Palestinian Authority
    4 Some examples of specific types of alleged racism
    4.1 Some examples of allegedly racist organisations
    5 External link

    Did Steve write the original ‘Origins of racism’?

    Origins of racism

    Racism may have originated as an extension of feelings of loyalty to family. People may see a race as an extended family

    In more recent times there have been heavily disputed scientific studies of race which indicate that certain inherited traits, such as skin color, are correlated to other characteristics of the individuals bearing those traits, such as intelligence.

    Israel and the Palestinian Authority

    Many Arabs accuse Israelis of harboring racist beliefs towards them. One fringe Jewish extremist group, Kach, does preach racism towards Arabs. Many Jews accuse Palestinian Arabs of harboring anti-Semitic beliefs towards them. Many schools and mosques run by the Palestinian Authority quote from anti-Semitic sources such as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf; in many madrassas and Palestinian mosques Jews are described as descedants of monkeys and pigs.

    Long post detailing many other years since after.

    [MORE]

    Flash forward to 2009 (December 9th), Obama has been president for almost a year.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20090805071308/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

    Racism is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or get preferential treatment, while reverse racism favours members of a historically disadvantaged group at the expense of those of a historically advantaged group. Racial discrimination typically points out taxonomic differences between different groups of people, even though anybody can be racialised, independently of their somatic differences. According to the United Nations conventions, there is no distinction between the term racial discrimination and ethnic discrimination.

    1 Definitions
    1.1 Legal
    1.2 Sociological
    2 Types
    2.1 Racial discrimination
    2.2 Institutional
    2.3 Economic
    2.4 Declarations against racial discrimination
    3 Ideology
    3.1 Ethnic nationalism
    4 Ethnic conflicts
    5 Academic variants
    5.1 Scientific variants
    5.1.1 Heredity and eugenics
    5.1.2 Polygenism and racial typologies
    5.1.3 Human Zoos
    6 Evolutionary theories about the origins of racism
    7 As state-sponsored activity
    8 In history
    8.1 In Antiquity
    8.2 In the Middle Ages and during the Renaissance
    8.3 As part of colonialism in the 19th century
    8.4 In the Age of Enlightenment
    8.5 20th century
    9 Inter-minority variants
    10 See also
    11 Further reading
    12 References & notes
    13 External links

    Israel is still mentioned but much less prominently and more terrifying, the old testament is mentioned. The lines are blurred as always between defining ‘racism’ as an intellctual theory based on broader ethnic categories and it just being used as a catch-all term for ethnic ingroup bias and in context of conflict, outgroup bias but they are still somewhat defined.

    State racism – that is, institutions and practices of a nation-state that are grounded in racist ideology – has played a major role in all instances of settler colonialism, from the United States to Australia to Israel.

    Onwards to 2014 (August 5th), the beginning of the Great Awokening.The intro is much larger now, better to promote ideas here where they don’t need much context. It is less professional and more emotive. Though it does still contain some minor dissent which is in bold.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20140805224210/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

    Racism consists of both prejudice and discrimination based in social perceptions of biological differences between peoples. It often takes the form of social actions, practices or beliefs, or political systems that consider different races to be ranked as inherently superior or inferior to each other, based on presumed shared inheritable traits, abilities, or qualities. It may also hold that members of different races should be treated differently.

    Some consider any assumption that a person’s behavior is tied to their racial categorization is inherently racist, regardless of whether the action is intentionally harmful or pejorative, because stereotyping necessarily subordinates individual identity to group identity. In sociology and psychology, some definitions only include consciously malignant forms of discrimination.

    Among the questions about how to define racism are the question of whether to include forms of discrimination that are unintentional, such as making assumptions about preferences or abilities of others based on racial stereotypes, whether to include symbolic or institutionalized forms of discrimination such as the circulation of ethnic stereotypes through the media, and whether to include the socio-political dynamics of social stratification that sometimes have a racial component. Some definitions of racism also include discriminatory behaviors and beliefs based on cultural, national, ethnic, caste, or religious stereotypes. One view holds that racism is best understood as ‘prejudice plus power’ because without the support of political or economic power, prejudice would not be able to manifest as a pervasive cultural, institutional or social phenomenon. Some critics of the term argue that the term is applied differentially, with a focus on such prejudices by whites, and in ways that define mere observations of any possible differences between races as racism.

    While race and ethnicity are considered to be separate phenomena in contemporary social science, the two terms have a long history of equivalence in popular usage and older social science literature. Racism and racial discrimination are often used to describe discrimination on an ethnic or cultural basis, independent of whether these differences are described as racial. According to the United Nations convention, there is no distinction between the terms racial discrimination and ethnic discrimination, and superiority based on racial differentiation is scientifically false, morally condemnable, socially unjust and dangerous, and that there is no justification for racial discrimination, in theory or in practice, anywhere.

    In history, racism was a driving force behind the transatlantic slave trade, and behind states based on racial segregation such as the U.S. in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries and South Africa under apartheid. Practices and ideologies of racism are universally condemned by the United Nations in the Declaration of Human Rights. It has also been a major part of the political and ideological underpinning of genocides such as The Holocaust, but also in colonial contexts such as the rubber booms in South America and the Congo, and in the European conquest of the Americas and colonization of Africa, Asia and Australia.

    The emphasis has changed to be much more about blacks and Jews demonstrating a major US bias. Israel is mentioned but only in context of Ethiopian Jews and attempts to stop Jewish girls from involving themselves with ‘Arabs’. (The word ‘Palestinian’ does not appear) ‘Ethnic Nationalism’ now has it’s own section with a similar attitude that ‘nationalities’ are social constructs and were invented in 19th century Europe.

    1 Usage of the term and related terms
    2 Definitions
    2.1 Legal
    2.2 Sociological
    2.3 Xenophobia
    2.4 Supremacism
    2.5 Segregationism
    3 Types
    3.1 Racial discrimination
    3.2 Institutional
    3.3 Economic
    3.4 Symbolic/Modern
    4 Declarations and international law against racial discrimination
    5 Ideology
    5.1 Ethnic nationalism
    6 Ethnic conflicts
    7 Academic variants
    7.1 Scientific variants
    7.1.1 Heredity and eugenics
    7.1.2 Polygenism and racial typologies
    7.1.3 Human zoos
    8 Evolutionary theories about the origins of racism
    9 As state-sponsored activity
    10 In history
    10.1 In Antiquity
    10.2 Middle Ages and Renaissance
    10.3 19th century
    10.4 20th century
    10.5 Contemporary
    11 Inter-minority variants
    12 Research on influencing factors
    13 Anti-racism
    13.1 International Day for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination
    14 See also
    15 References & notes
    16 Further reading
    17 External links

    The Ethiopian Jewish community’s integration into Israeli society has been complicated by racist attitudes on the part of some elements of Israeli society and the official establishment. The Israeli media reported that residents of Pisgat Ze’ev, a large Jewish neighbourhood in Jerusalem, had formed a vigilante-style patrol to stop interracial dating between Arab men and local Jewish girls.

    2016 (November 28th), year zero in the year of our lord bad orange man.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20161128200559/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

    Racism is a product of the complex interaction in a given society of a race-based worldview with prejudice, stereotyping, and discrimination. Racism can be present in social actions, practices, or political systems (e.g., apartheid) that support the expression of prejudice or aversion in discriminatory practices. The ideology underlying racist practices often includes the idea that humans can be subdivided into distinct groups that are different in their social behavior and innate capacities and that can be ranked as inferior or superior. Racist ideology can become manifest in many aspects of social life. Associated social actions may include nativism, xenophobia, otherness, segregation, hierarchical ranking, supremacism, and related social phenomena.

    While race and ethnicity are considered to be separate in contemporary social science, the two terms have a long history of equivalence in both popular usage and older social science literature. “Ethnicity” is often used in a sense close to one traditionally attributed to “race”: the division of human groups based on qualities assumed to be essential or innate to the group (e.g. shared ancestry or shared behavior).

    Racism and racial discrimination are often used to describe discrimination on an ethnic or cultural basis, independent of whether these differences are described as racial. According to a United Nations convention, there is no distinction between the terms “racial” and “ethnic” discrimination. The UN convention further concludes that superiority based on racial differentiation is scientifically false, morally condemnable, socially unjust and dangerous, and there is no justification for racial discrimination, anywhere, in theory or in practice.

    Today, the use of the term “racism” does not easily fall under a single definition. The term is usually found in, but usage is not limited to, law, the social and behavioral sciences, humanities, and popular culture.

    1 Etymology, definition and usage
    1.1 Legal
    1.2 Social and behavioral science
    1.3 Humanities
    1.4 Popular usage
    2 Aspects
    2.1 Aversive racism
    2.2 Color blindness
    2.3 Cultural
    2.4 Economic
    2.5 Institutional
    2.6 Othering
    2.7 Racial discrimination
    2.8 Segregationism
    2.9 Supremacism
    2.10 Symbolic/modern
    3 International law and racial discrimination
    4 Ideology
    5 Ethnicity and ethnic conflicts
    5.1 Ethnic nationalism
    6 History
    6.1 In antiquity
    6.2 Middle Ages and Renaissance
    6.3 19th century
    6.4 20th century
    6.5 Contemporary
    7 Scientific racism
    7.1 Scientific variants
    7.1.1 Heredity and eugenics
    7.1.2 Polygenism and racial typologies
    7.1.3 Human zoos
    8 Evolutionary theories about the origins of racism
    9 As state-sponsored activity
    10 Anti-racism
    10.1 International Day for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination
    11 See also
    12 References and notes
    13 Further reading
    14 External links

    So I take it then that the UN disapproves of affirmative action?

    The bit about discrimination of Ethiopian Jews is still there but the one detailing groups patrolling in Jerusalem to stop inter-ethnic relationships is now gone. The Kafka-esque weirdness of such an article detailing Israeli ‘discriminatory behavior’ against ‘Ethiopian Jews and other non-white Jews’ and nobody else makes my head hurt. Also interesting is the ‘Elements’ caveat.

    Elements within Israeli society have been accused of discriminatory behavior towards Ethiopian Jews and other non-white Jews. Accusations of racism range from birth control policies, education, and housing discrimination.

    And now to the international year of racism 2020 (August 28th), no big changes occured before and after the George Floyd death.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20200829161116/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

    Racism is the belief that groups of humans possess different behavioral traits corresponding to physical appearance and can be divided based on the superiority of one race over another. It may also mean prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against other people because they are of a different race or ethnicity. Modern variants of racism are often based in social perceptions of biological differences between peoples. These views can take the form of social actions, practices or beliefs, or political systems in which different races are ranked as inherently superior or inferior to each other, based on presumed shared inheritable traits, abilities, or qualities.

    In terms of political systems (e.g., apartheid) that support the expression of prejudice or aversion in discriminatory practices or laws, racist ideology may include associated social aspects such as nativism, xenophobia, otherness, segregation, hierarchical ranking, and supremacism.

    While the concepts of race and ethnicity are considered to be separate in contemporary social science, the two terms have a long history of equivalence in popular usage and older social science literature. “Ethnicity” is often used in a sense close to one traditionally attributed to “race”: the division of human groups based on qualities assumed to be essential or innate to the group (e.g. shared ancestry or shared behavior). Therefore, racism and racial discrimination are often used to describe discrimination on an ethnic or cultural basis, independent of whether these differences are described as racial. According to a United Nations convention on racial discrimination, there is no distinction between the terms “racial” and “ethnic” discrimination. The UN Convention further concludes that superiority based on racial differentiation is scientifically false, morally condemnable, socially unjust and dangerous. The Convention also declared that there is no justification for racial discrimination, anywhere, in theory or in practice.

    Racism is a relatively modern concept, arising in the European age of imperialism, the subsequent growth of capitalism, and especially the Atlantic slave trade, of which it was a major driving force. It was also a major force behind racial segregation especially in the United States in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries and South Africa under apartheid; 19th and 20th century racism in Western culture is particularly well documented and constitutes a reference point in studies and discourses about racism. Racism has played a role in genocides such as the Holocaust, the Armenian genocide, the genocide of Poles in Volhynia, and the genocide of Serbs, as well as colonial projects including the European colonization of the Americas, Africa, and Asia as well as the Soviet deportations of indigenous minorities. Indigenous peoples have been—and are—often subject to racist attitudes.

    This intro is so confused. Racism is a concept born out of Western imperialism and didn’t exist prior. (Somebody needs to reread the Old Testament and the Torah) But also racism encompasses ethnic discrimination between people of the same race.

    Needless to say by last week crl-f ‘Israel’ produces no results except to references from The Times of Israel with headlines like “American laws against ‘coloreds’ influenced Nazi racial planners”. Times of Israel.” or to authors such as Israel Charny and his ‘Encyclopedia of Genocide’ which is a book I didn’t know I needed until I heard it existed.

    1 Etymology, definition and usage
    1.1 Legal
    1.2 Social and behavioral sciences
    1.3 Humanities
    1.4 Popular usage
    2 Aspects
    2.1 Aversive racism
    2.2 Color blindness
    2.3 Cultural
    2.4 Economic
    2.5 Institutional
    2.6 Othering
    2.7 Racial discrimination
    2.8 Racial segregation
    2.9 Supremacism
    2.10 Symbolic/modern
    2.11 Subconscious biases
    3 International law and racial discrimination
    4 Ideology
    5 Ethnicity and ethnic conflicts
    5.1 Ethnic and racial nationalism
    6 History
    6.1 Ethnocentrism and proto-racism
    6.2 Limpieza de sangre
    6.3 19th century
    6.4 20th century
    6.5 Contemporary
    7 Scientific racism
    7.1 Heredity and eugenics
    7.2 Polygenism and racial typologies
    7.3 Human zoos
    8 Theories about the origins of racism
    9 State-sponsored racism
    10 Anti-racism
    11 See also
    12 References and notes
    13 Further reading
    14 External links

    My favourite section is thus:

    Historian Dante A. Puzzo, in his discussion of Aristotle, racism, and the ancient world writes that:

    Racism rests on two basic assumptions: that a correlation exists between physical characteristics and moral qualities; that mankind is divisible into superior and inferior stocks. Racism, thus defined, is a modern conception, for prior to the XVIth century there was virtually nothing in the life and thought of the West that can be described as racist. To prevent misunderstanding a clear distinction must be made between racism and ethnocentrism … The Ancient Hebrews, in referring to all who were not Hebrews as Gentiles, were indulging in ethnocentrism, not in racism. … So it was with the Hellenes who denominated all non-Hellenes—whether the wild Scythians or the Egyptians whom they acknowledged as their mentors in the arts of civilization—Barbarians, the term denoting that which was strange or foreign.

    They just spent an entire article describing how ‘ethnocentrism’ is basically a kind of ‘racism’. According to the rest of the article it doesn’t really matter if your discrimination is based on you feeling your group is ‘superior’ or because your group is more important to you. And again under this definition, the Israelites of the old Testament were champion racists.

    • Thanks: res, J.Ross
  47. @Foreign Expert
    I came to Provincetown and mentioned it immediately to justify a subsidized holiday. Totally justifiable expense. Totally.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Maybe Ben and Andy did a little bare backing.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Jim Don Bob

    With a dozen other guys. It's P-town, Jake.

  48. Anon[335] • Disclaimer says:

    Smith has never read the book, and doesn’t seem to know the difference between genetic and hereditary. And from that Obama review, he’d never read the book either.

    How long until that Slate guy, William Saletan, who wrote the three-part Liberal Creationism series is defenestrated? He’s been backtracking ever since, but nowadays who cares? Off with his head!

    You almost get the sense from all this that TBC is “about” how blacks are “genetically” inferior. What it’s about is how IQ correlates better than SES or anything else with all major social traits and outcomes, and most of the book is taken up with demonstrating this on an all-white data set. It wants IQ to be taken more seriously by social scientists and policy makers. (… and, OK, they do mention in passing that black IQ scores lag …)

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  49. @Steve Sailer
    @The Alarmist

    Wakanda isn't real, but making it seem kind of real while you are dying of cancer is impressive.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Mr McKenna, @Altai, @BB753, @Reg Cæsar

    Kind of suspicious, if you ask me.

    • Replies: @indocon
    @BB753

    Exactly, I don't buy color cancer at all. That's one nasty disease, even a super humans would have a hard time taking treatment for it while at the same time acting as a superhero in a movie.

  50. Many never Trumpers have argued that they cannot support President Trump based upon his character. But it is ironic that they make this statement while sitting on the set of MSNBC and being seated next to Al Sharpton. Anyone who believes that character matters could never sit in the same room as Al Shaprton or Jesse Jackson. Yet, those never Trumpers do and never question the character or the past history of a document racist who has found culpable for slandering people just because they were white.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @guest007

    Jackson is basically a race hustler and a conman, what my late Grandmother would call a "scalawag."

    In contrast, Sharpton has (metaphorical) blood on his hands...see Tawana Brawley, Freddie's Fashion Mart, and the Crown Heights pogrom, for examples.

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @guest007

    It's because when they say "character" they mean "manner". It is an entirely class-based statement.

    Replies: @guest007

  51. @Not Only Wrathful
    Black people are far more intelligent on average than white people. Indeed, they are much quicker to learn and engage with complex ideas than Chinese people, Jews, Indians and all other groups. These are facts. Undeniable. Just as is the fact that they have the highest number of world-changing geniuses of any racial cleavage in human history.

    This is why our past is just an endless parade to black intellectual achievement and why there is not one subject of academic expertise where the critical ideas were not originated in black brains.

    There would have been no technological, nor philosophical, nor sociological progress, in any part of the globe, without black people. The entire world owes them their admiration and respect and the total freedom to continue to generously provides all advances of human-kind.

    End of topic.

    Replies: @tyrone, @The Alarmist, @Dumbo, @Charon, @anon

    Angling for some of that sweet MSM lucre I see!

  52. No forgiveness for quoting The Bell Curve (apparently the most evil book ever published after Mein Kampf), but Andrew Sullivan’s sexual escapades in Barebackcity. com as “RawMuscleGlutes” are forgotten and forgiven?
    https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/andrew-sullivan-overexposed/

  53. @Bill Jones
    For Astaire level tap dancing bring up the topic of Rhodesia/Zimbabwe.

    Replies: @Ganderson, @Carol

    Or South Africa.

  54. @Altai

    When I said some of this to Mr. Sullivan, he noted that he had been born and raised in England, and he hasn’t always had perfect footing on American questions of race
     
    Have the big brains at the NYT ever considered that American narratives about race are distinctly weird and tinged with emotion and might be highly dysfunctional. I thought they liked the outsider perspective of immigrants? You're not even allowed to say a certain racial slur even in reference.* That's already weird on it's own but it's even weirder in a society that has done everything to remove all limits on taste and taboo, people under the age of 50 regularly curse in normal conversation.

    * My favourite example being the famous black-ish writer Walter Mosley who got almost immediately quit from the new Star Trek series after being hired due to the terrible incompetence of the heavily under 35 female writers room. Not being used to a modern corporate setting Mosley got irate when he was called before HR due to an anonymous complaint about his using the 'N word' when recounting it's use 50 years ago in his youth and quit, probably not gelling with his new coworkers anyway.
    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/walter-mosley-quits-star-trek-discovery-using-n-word-writers-room-1237489


    More recently a BBC DJ with an ego the size of a small moon thought he would punish the BBC by denying them his employment after an English reporter recounted the use of the word in an assault after being asked by the family to mention it in the obvious interest of a progressive 'anti-racist' agenda. The word does not have the history or emotionality it does in the US in Britain though it is a racial slur and thus taboo to use as a slur. But the reporter wasn't using it as a slur but reporting on somebody else using it. This wasn't the point for DJ Sideman who objected to 'a white person saying the n-word' in the abstract. In their defense the BBC stood by the action and gave Sideman the opportunity to make himself look like pompous fool in giving his reasoning.

    https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1292177890423996416

    And just last week the gay Jewish immigrant Anglophonic Montreal born Noah Schnapp (Who had his Bar Mitzvah in Israel) adolescent child star of Netflix's Stranger Things, who should be basically cancel-proof by the MSM by virtue of any one of the above let alone all of them, encountered the Twitter mob who called for his cancellation. His crime? A video posted by one of his friends on instagram showing him signing along to a major release song. What's wrong with singing along to the lyrics of a major release song? You can probably guess. Schanpp's defense which I assumed prior to watching the video was the most ridiculous thing I'd ever heard? He claimed he was actually saying 'neighbour' and that his friends and he had made it an inside joke to do this. And sure enough I watched the video and he was singing 'neighbour'. So we have now members of oversocialised Gen Z who have learned to substitute the word even when in each others company with no black people around to offend due to it's ubiquitous use in mainstream popular music.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FPSZfT0xRc

    Replies: @Redman

    I’ve had the “pleasure” of representing defendants in criminal matters here in NY on both sides of the “nigger” question in the late 1990s.

    First, I represented a very nice black security guard (call him John) arrested for assault while working the front desk of a high rise apartment building after a fire broke out on the 23rd floor. A resident had grown irate when John wouldn’t let him up to see if his wife and child supposedly in the apartment. During the argument, out came the n-word, and John was finished talking. Beating ensued.

    Second, I represented a wealthy Manhattan businessman (call him Jim) charged with aggravated disorderly conduct for using the N-word during an argument with another building security guard. This was right after the new hate speech rules had been implemented as aggravating factors for ordinary crimes like assault and DC.

    In the first case I relied on the N-word as a mitigating factor which should have justified John’s assault. In the second case, I argued that the hate law was unconstitutional, which I still believe to be true. Around that same time (late 1990s), the use of the N-word by blacks in rap music exploded and, in my view, was entirely inauthentic. Excessive use of the N-word was really a coverup. A symptom of rap music’s exhaustion as a musical form. Playing off the success of NWA and the Ghetto Boys, rappers had to double down on the putative power of violent black males. Gangsta rap encouraged nihilistic violence without any pretense of political significance, like the earlier songs of Public Enemy.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @Redman

    So, Mr. Lincoln, were you correct this morning when you took one side of an argument to defend your
    earlier client, or are you correct now, when you are taking the other side to defend your current client?

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Redman

    Don't keep us in suspense. Tell us how the cases turned out.

    My prediction is the the black guy got off, but the second guy did not because he was white.

    , @Altai
    @Redman

    The Mosley story is the best since he was apparently the only black person in the room and also recounted the use of 'paddy' but wasn't reported for that.

    "Earlier this year, I had just finished with the Snowfall writers’ room for the season when I took a similar job on a different show at a different network. I’d been in the new room for a few weeks when I got the call from human resources. A pleasant-sounding young man said, 'Mr. Mosley, it has been reported that you used the n-word in the writers’ room,'" Mosley wrote in the Times. "I replied, 'I am the N-word in the writers’ room.'"

    Mosley went on to explain that the individual in HR said that while he was free to use that word in a script, he "could not say it." Mosley then clarified, "I hadn’t called anyone it. I just told a story about a cop who explained to me, on the streets of Los Angeles, that he stopped all n---ers in paddy neighborhoods and all paddies in n---er neighborhoods, because they were usually up to no good. I was telling a true story as I remembered it."
     

    It's just surreal in 2020 to have a word you can't even speak to reference but is used all other in mainstream music, it's insane. This doesn't exist elsewhere, except in South Africa which is heavily influenced by American critical race theory and civil rights movement. There it's the K-word but even there it seems silly.
  55. It seems almost everything is dominated by policy to rectify black underperformance: policing, school priorities, affirmative action, movie and TV shows. Yet as black underachievement is universal, the genetic argument is the only one that makes sense: Jim Crow is not responsible for Haiti, Liberia, or black performance in France an the UK.

    Can anyone name a nation where black people are materially better off than in the US? This is in spite of the fact that African Americans have been hurt by a welfare policy discouraging two-parent households, and highlighting that their problems are external to them.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @eric

    Blacks have it much better in America than most Whites in Europe. Even black Africans consider American Blacks as pampered and spoiled children.

    , @Altai
    @eric


    Can anyone name a nation where black people are materially better off than in the US?
     
    Canada? Iceland? (Yes, there are black people in Iceland now) Pretty much all of Europe except maybe France. Australia? Japan?

    https://www.youtube.com/c/TheBlackExperienceJapan/videos

    But generally speaking the more homogeneous the historic population, the weaker their roots and the smaller the proportion that is black, the better off they are.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Clyde, @syonredux

    , @Art Deco
    @eric

    Can anyone name a nation where black people are materially better off than in the US?

    If you mean a black population in at least six digits, some possibilities: greater Toronto and the French Caribbean. If I'm not mistaken, blacks in Britain are in their income levels closer to white British than American blacks are to white Americans, but less affluent than black Americans. They also face lower rates of violent crime than black Americans (but higher rates of property crime). Barbados is the one Anglo-Caribbean island where street crime isn't a severe problem. However, Barbadians are less affluent than black Americans.

    Pre-tax and post-tax, black Americans have satisfactory income levels on any international or historical scale. The problem is one of security: (1) street crime and (2) the haphazard construction of the social safety net. Also, the way the school system, welfare system, and labor market are set up means wretched malinvestment in skill development, so blacks are not getting the most one could out of time in formal schooling &c.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  56. So Sullivan…”can’t be talked out of his views.” Have they tried waterboarding him?

    • LOL: BB753, Abe
  57. @eric
    It seems almost everything is dominated by policy to rectify black underperformance: policing, school priorities, affirmative action, movie and TV shows. Yet as black underachievement is universal, the genetic argument is the only one that makes sense: Jim Crow is not responsible for Haiti, Liberia, or black performance in France an the UK.

    Can anyone name a nation where black people are materially better off than in the US? This is in spite of the fact that African Americans have been hurt by a welfare policy discouraging two-parent households, and highlighting that their problems are external to them.

    Replies: @BB753, @Altai, @Art Deco

    Blacks have it much better in America than most Whites in Europe. Even black Africans consider American Blacks as pampered and spoiled children.

  58. Here’s Herrnstein and Murray’s 1994 New Republic article, which the NYT does not link to.

    I decided to read the whole 1994 article. It is so calmly reasoned and the tentative conclusions reached are really pretty mild for all the scorn heaped on the authors of The Bell Curve.

    What I also noticed is the marked difference in the quality of writing between Murray/Herrnstein’s 1994 article and Ben Smith’s limp, womanish NYT Sullivan “takedown”. I remark everywhere that just plain writing, regardless of the accuracy of the facts or validity of the assertions, is just so bad now. I spend a lot of time reading articles, books and essays written between the mid-18th and mid-20th century – good writers up to a half century ago almost seem like a different species of human. Even ideas that I take issue with are so well presented with skill and style. Who can read “White Fragility” and not be demoralized just by the plain bad writing, regardless of how stupid the ideas are?

  59. @Kent Nationalist

    He’d be equally open to the view, I suggested, that data exploring genetics and its connection to intelligence would find that Black people are on average smarter than other groups.

     

    Had the author who wrote this just escaped from some sort of institution for the clinically retarded? Or is 'Ben Smith' the pseudonym of a particularly earnest 14 year old girl?

    Replies: @bigdicknick, @res, @Gary5555

    these people all come from super affluent communities where magical thinking is allowed to flourish due to the absence of any of the people they’re magical thinking about.

    • Agree: Charon
  60. LSAT in 1997? I think 1987?

  61. @eric
    It seems almost everything is dominated by policy to rectify black underperformance: policing, school priorities, affirmative action, movie and TV shows. Yet as black underachievement is universal, the genetic argument is the only one that makes sense: Jim Crow is not responsible for Haiti, Liberia, or black performance in France an the UK.

    Can anyone name a nation where black people are materially better off than in the US? This is in spite of the fact that African Americans have been hurt by a welfare policy discouraging two-parent households, and highlighting that their problems are external to them.

    Replies: @BB753, @Altai, @Art Deco

    Can anyone name a nation where black people are materially better off than in the US?

    Canada? Iceland? (Yes, there are black people in Iceland now) Pretty much all of Europe except maybe France. Australia? Japan?

    https://www.youtube.com/c/TheBlackExperienceJapan/videos

    But generally speaking the more homogeneous the historic population, the weaker their roots and the smaller the proportion that is black, the better off they are.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Altai

    I suspect the average black person has a better quality of life in Japan than in the USA, but probably is not materially better off (there being no upper range of black incomes to speak of to bring up the average). Maybe materially better off in UK though.

    Black people who come to Japan are strange because there is still quite a bit of overt discrimination and, as far as I can tell, vanishingly few come to Japan out of interest in the traditional culture. So why? Well, one answer is given by a video from the above channel entitled "I had to move to Japan or I would lost everything..."

    Anyway, let's not promote Japan as the next Liberia. Some of us live here and may continue to do so if things in the US turn south after November. We've already had BLM marches led by the American blacks, who export the US's deranged racial relations as something universal.

    , @Clyde
    @Altai

    Lots of Africans in Ireland, which is at the same latitude as Newfoundland. https://tinyurl.com/y38fdves

    Replies: @El Dato

    , @syonredux
    @Altai


    Canada? Iceland? (Yes, there are black people in Iceland now) Pretty much all of Europe except maybe France. Australia? Japan?
     
    Clearly, Black Americans need to claim refugee status and move to Canada en masse. Once there, Wakanda would finally be a reality....


    https://static3.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Wakanda-FI-Cropped.png
  62. Hey Andrew: Hamlet Say Relax!

    Remember that?

    Back in the Stone Age, I used to sit around and pick fights with Andrew and his Oxford buddies. They were of course very smart, but their idea-world was just so blinkered. I tended to think it was because they came from a tiny island, and we lived in a giant continent.

    He was a skilled but formalistic debater, as his training indicated, and as so many Brits are. Points deducted for smugness and unnecessary condesenscion, as is almost pro forma with this type. He had read scads of Gladstone, but not a jot of Krazy Kat. No Zen with these people.

    I used to have a very funny, witty message on my answering machine from him, regarding an issue about Shakespeare.

    But he’s a good bloke at heart, and I wish him well.

  63. @Dumbo

    his income has risen from less than $200,000 to around $500,000 as a result of the move.
     
    I'm genuinely surprised that someone like Sullivan can make that amount of money just by writing his stuff. Well I have never really read him or cared much about his opinions. Then again, I never follow any of these personalities and pundits. Except maybe for those here at Unz, and some very obscure bloggers.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @sayless, @Morton's toes, @Prester John, @AnotherDad

    Taiibi also apparently thrives at this. 40$/month.

    Great writer.

    Takedown of D’Angelo is worth a read. Free everywhere.

    • Agree: sayless
    • Replies: @vinteuil
    @Anonymous

    Matt Taibbi is about half way here.

    He's a good writer.

    Replies: @hhsiii

  64. Why not just admit that yes, blacks have been horribly treated in the US (slavery, Jim Crow, the majority of ghoulish lynching) and they also have a lower mean IQ and a greater tendency to commit violent crime?

    Both sides win!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jane Plain


    Why not just admit that yes, blacks have been horribly treated in the US (slavery, Jim Crow, the majority of ghoulish lynching) and they also have a lower mean IQ and a greater tendency to commit violent crime?

    Both sides win!
     

    Because that would be a lie. Blacks have not been horribly treated in the US.

    It is sinful to make false accusations.

  65. @Dumbo

    his income has risen from less than $200,000 to around $500,000 as a result of the move.
     
    I'm genuinely surprised that someone like Sullivan can make that amount of money just by writing his stuff. Well I have never really read him or cared much about his opinions. Then again, I never follow any of these personalities and pundits. Except maybe for those here at Unz, and some very obscure bloggers.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @sayless, @Morton's toes, @Prester John, @AnotherDad

    I’m glad Andrew Sullivan’s income went up after NY Magazine kicked him out.

    Brendan Eich lost his job at Mozilla after one week because it came out that he had donated money to help out that California proposition that would have restricted the word marriage to the union of a man and a woman. Andrew Sullivan went to bat for him, along the lines of, Half the state supported that initiative. Do you want all of them fired too? “Congratulations, bigots. You just lost a computer programmer his job.”

    When he let it be known that he had AIDS, he said that only two people in DC contacted him to say they were sorry to hear it, and one of them was Patrick Buchanan.

    Decent person.

    • Thanks: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Dumbo
    @sayless

    In Wikipedia Brendan Eich is described as:


    Known for
    JavaScript, opposition to same-sex marriage[1][2][3]
     
    As if both had the same importance... Yes, Buchanan seems like a fundamentally good guy who would do that. Unlike the majority of politicians who just follow the way the wind is blowing.

    Replies: @El Dato

  66. @Altai
    @eric


    Can anyone name a nation where black people are materially better off than in the US?
     
    Canada? Iceland? (Yes, there are black people in Iceland now) Pretty much all of Europe except maybe France. Australia? Japan?

    https://www.youtube.com/c/TheBlackExperienceJapan/videos

    But generally speaking the more homogeneous the historic population, the weaker their roots and the smaller the proportion that is black, the better off they are.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Clyde, @syonredux

    I suspect the average black person has a better quality of life in Japan than in the USA, but probably is not materially better off (there being no upper range of black incomes to speak of to bring up the average). Maybe materially better off in UK though.

    Black people who come to Japan are strange because there is still quite a bit of overt discrimination and, as far as I can tell, vanishingly few come to Japan out of interest in the traditional culture. So why? Well, one answer is given by a video from the above channel entitled “I had to move to Japan or I would lost everything…”

    Anyway, let’s not promote Japan as the next Liberia. Some of us live here and may continue to do so if things in the US turn south after November. We’ve already had BLM marches led by the American blacks, who export the US’s deranged racial relations as something universal.

    • Thanks: Charon
  67. COVID-19 Has Taught Us What Intelligence Really Is
    Psst, here’s a hint: forget about standardized tests, writes Robert J. Sternberg.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2020/08/31/pandemic-has-proven-standardized-tests-dont-measure-whats-important-opinion

    “You know who the really adaptively unintelligent people are today, in the age of COVID-19, not only in Kenya but also right where you live? Not the ones who get low standardized test scores. Rather, they are the ones who refuse to wear masks, who don’t socially distance and who don’t trouble themselves to wash their hands. They are the ones who, from a Darwinian adaptive standpoint, are unintelligent, regardless of their IQ or standardized test scores. They have inert intelligence but do not choose actively to deploy it in the real world. They thereby not only risk their own health and life; they also put other people’s lives at risk when they breathe on them. They might literally be the cause of others’ deaths. The principle behind the tests we used in Kenya applies anywhere: in the end, intelligence is about adaptation to the environment, not solving trivial or even meaningless problems.”

    And the adaptive intelligence of black people is why their communities are so pleasant, peaceful, and orderly, even though few of them can add fractions. Oh, wait…

  68. @Nicholas Stix
    "Here’s Obama’s 1994 review of The Bell Curve for NPR"

    All that you'll learn from his "review" is that he never read the book, not a page, not even the jacket copy.

    Replies: @Barnard

    Obama wrote that in late October 1994. The NBA season would have been scheduled to start within a few days, you can’t expect him to read an entire book under that kind of deadline. They should still cancel him for his comments about too many blacks thinking hard work, self discipline and respect are outdated.

  69. As far as Chad Bozeman goes. It is probably better that Steve not make a separate entry for this recently demised dude. I never see those absurd comic books or their movies so I have no opinion. Wakanda might as well be on Jupiter or Uranus.

    • Agree: Redman
  70. Anonymous[504] • Disclaimer says:

    TBC was decidedly controversial when I was an undergrad 20 years ago, but not nearly touching the present Mein Kampf/120 Days of Sodom infamy. I don’t remember these codified complaints from the most status-attuned and manners-minding Young Urban Professionals and faculty scenesters along the way — there might be, at the most, one proto-DiAngelo you’d run into one time every one year who’d express abrupt outrage at it for about one minute; however, pre-Internet/social media it was unusual anyone would publicly recite the IQ stuff in rough outline, let alone claim to have read the weighty tome.

    While Murray did bring his career back to life I’m more impressed that a boutique fetish of academia, not the most fashion-influential people in our society, trickled down (or up?) to the equally networking-obsessed world of journalism, and again it’s probably thanks to Google et al.

  71. They reap what they sow. When rivers of blood start, and they see what actual ultra-racism is, then they’ll already have committed mass televised suicide.

    There’s no arguing with the leftists, and we in general should start applying a Jewish system to them – they’re the goy, not people

  72. Honest, non-troll question: does anyone here actually expect black people to say, “You know what, I really am intellectually inferior.”

    • Replies: @Bumpkin
    @Jane Plain

    They know it, so it hardly matters what they say. What matters is whether the rest of us are allowed to openly discuss it, as long as we aren't insulting them to their faces.

    , @res
    @Jane Plain

    Interpreting it as "I" is a big part of the problem. I don't find it offensive to me personally for someone to say that East Asians and Jews appear to have a higher average IQ than whites.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Meretricious

    , @Steve in Greensboro
    @Jane Plain

    No one does and Dunning-Kruger explains why.

    , @Anon
    @Jane Plain

    Clearly you don't understand this issue. Not every black person is "intellectually inferior" to the average white. But 5/6ths are. Whether many of them want to admit this is not my concern. I'm sick of being blamed for every papercut every black has ever gotten

    , @Redman
    @Jane Plain

    Why is that an important question? The real issue is whether or not woke white folk (who have more control over policy and impact on national culture) will continue to refuse to see the obvious. Hopefully the riots will red pill a few more.

    https://www.takimag.com/article/being-nice-to-black-people/

  73. @Altai
    @eric


    Can anyone name a nation where black people are materially better off than in the US?
     
    Canada? Iceland? (Yes, there are black people in Iceland now) Pretty much all of Europe except maybe France. Australia? Japan?

    https://www.youtube.com/c/TheBlackExperienceJapan/videos

    But generally speaking the more homogeneous the historic population, the weaker their roots and the smaller the proportion that is black, the better off they are.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Clyde, @syonredux

    Lots of Africans in Ireland, which is at the same latitude as Newfoundland. https://tinyurl.com/y38fdves

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Clyde

    YEP. Ireland was occupied by Africans, but they had to leave briefly during the Potato Famine but now are coming back to claim what is rightfully theirs.

    Meanwhile, Anti-Jesus activist Shaun King won't stand back:

    Liberal activist accused of using ‘Black Panther’ star Chadwick Boseman’s death to help sell his book


    King found himself trending on Twitter, after screenshots of an email began making the rounds – one in which the author simultaneously reflected on the death of 43-year-old Boseman while also selling his book ‘Make Change’.

    “I hope you are hanging in there. Yesterday I sent an email checking in on everybody – and just a few hours later we learned of the death of Chadwick Boseman. Life is so very fragile. Tomorrow is not promised,” he wrote, before jumping right into talking about Black Lives Matter and his book, which chronicles his work with the movement and in social justice reform.

    “Everywhere I go, people ask me, ‘Shaun, how do I actually use my life, my skills, my time, my energy to impact and change the world?' My book, ‘Make Change’, is a 272-page answer to that question,” he wrote.
     

    "This actually happened"

    Make Change more like Make Cash, Neighbour!.

    Now that M. Boseman is quickly becoming the new fetish that shows that the Road to Wakanda is real, I nominate HAL-9000 as the perfect symbol of the Biden-Kamala ticket. HAL-9000 has everything: Neurotic, on the search of a Black Icon, foolproof and incapable of error, kills everyone, then sings "Daisy Daisy".

    Replies: @Clyde

  74. @Nikolai Vladivostok
    Like the Spanish Inquisition, they are obsessed with making heretics recant and abjectly apologise before they cancel them anyway. You'd think they'd dangle some carrots but nope. I think it's an expression of power as much as anything.

    Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian, @ia

    Cannot be repeated too often…

    Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.

    Theodore Dalrymple

  75. @Altai
    @Steve Sailer

    It certainly makes his maintaining that physique for 3 films very impressive, (And almost inevitably he lost a lot of it between the films and had to pack it back on again or maybe they gave him a break in the ones where he didn't have to be shirtless) even with PEDs. He was diagnosed shortly after or before being cast. I wonder how much he told Disney though since there was time after his diagnosis to recast. Colon cancer is no joke.

    But Boseman didn't have a lot of raw screen charisma, he was a good actor but his lack of screen charisma tied with the dull personality of Black Panther made him fade into the background in his own movie. There were rumours of Michael B Jordan's (Who is far more screen charismatic and handsome, albeit a lot lighter skinned too) character 'Killmonger' might be back (Despite it being implied but not shown that he died) but now that Boseman is gone and it'd be seen as wrong to recast, I assume he'll come back to be reframed heroically as suits the zeitgeist where his statements aren't all that different to NYT editorials.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @ep, @jon, @ep, @syonredux

    Michael B. Jordan is good—and has charisma. Handsome, not so much; if you look at his early work in The Wire, it’s clear he has a severely receding chin. It would seem that the goatee he wears is designed to disguise this…

  76. @Altai
    @Steve Sailer

    It certainly makes his maintaining that physique for 3 films very impressive, (And almost inevitably he lost a lot of it between the films and had to pack it back on again or maybe they gave him a break in the ones where he didn't have to be shirtless) even with PEDs. He was diagnosed shortly after or before being cast. I wonder how much he told Disney though since there was time after his diagnosis to recast. Colon cancer is no joke.

    But Boseman didn't have a lot of raw screen charisma, he was a good actor but his lack of screen charisma tied with the dull personality of Black Panther made him fade into the background in his own movie. There were rumours of Michael B Jordan's (Who is far more screen charismatic and handsome, albeit a lot lighter skinned too) character 'Killmonger' might be back (Despite it being implied but not shown that he died) but now that Boseman is gone and it'd be seen as wrong to recast, I assume he'll come back to be reframed heroically as suits the zeitgeist where his statements aren't all that different to NYT editorials.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @ep, @jon, @ep, @syonredux

    even with PEDs

    If he was stupid enough to take steroids when he had cancer …

  77. @eric
    It seems almost everything is dominated by policy to rectify black underperformance: policing, school priorities, affirmative action, movie and TV shows. Yet as black underachievement is universal, the genetic argument is the only one that makes sense: Jim Crow is not responsible for Haiti, Liberia, or black performance in France an the UK.

    Can anyone name a nation where black people are materially better off than in the US? This is in spite of the fact that African Americans have been hurt by a welfare policy discouraging two-parent households, and highlighting that their problems are external to them.

    Replies: @BB753, @Altai, @Art Deco

    Can anyone name a nation where black people are materially better off than in the US?

    If you mean a black population in at least six digits, some possibilities: greater Toronto and the French Caribbean. If I’m not mistaken, blacks in Britain are in their income levels closer to white British than American blacks are to white Americans, but less affluent than black Americans. They also face lower rates of violent crime than black Americans (but higher rates of property crime). Barbados is the one Anglo-Caribbean island where street crime isn’t a severe problem. However, Barbadians are less affluent than black Americans.

    Pre-tax and post-tax, black Americans have satisfactory income levels on any international or historical scale. The problem is one of security: (1) street crime and (2) the haphazard construction of the social safety net. Also, the way the school system, welfare system, and labor market are set up means wretched malinvestment in skill development, so blacks are not getting the most one could out of time in formal schooling &c.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Art Deco

    The problem is one of security: (1) street crime and (2) the haphazard construction of the social safety net. Also, the way the school system, welfare system, and labor market are set up means wretched malinvestment in skill development, so blacks are not getting the most one could out of time in formal schooling

    The problem is the way the school system is setup? Teachers have behavioral problems with Black kids well before they are at the age of skill development.

    Liberals and egalitarians have told us that:
    Black kids need White teachers
    Black kids need to be in White schools
    Black kids need to be in Black schools
    Black kids need to be in White schools but with Black teachers
    Black kids need to be in Black schools with Black teachers

    Why can they not get their strategy correct? Why are we spending billions on higher ed when liberals with PHds in education have not gotten this right since the days of abolition?

    You can even go back and find egalitarians in the 1940s talking about completely taking Black kids out of their environment which is what some liberals discuss today. A new liberal trend is to turn the school into the main home. I read an article from a liberal in education that is currently proposing we feed them dinner....in school. Some schools in Chicago are adding laundry facilities.

    It's only a matter of time before liberals propose year round boarding schools on the same old assumption that race doesn't exist so there must be bugaboo bad spirits in the environment making inequality. So the answer must be to completely pull them from their environment, which means liberals don't trust Black parents to raise their children and want the state to do it. What happens if that doesnt' work?

    Replies: @Art Deco

  78. But, on average, black people are less intelligent. That’s perhaps the single most documented finding in the history of the social sciences.

    And that’s consequential for the globe because it explains the large ensemble incompetence of blacks in society. Whenever they become a large enough proportion of any population, organization, or government, things break down.

  79. anon[193] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s really hilarious to me how people can seriously deny racial differences in intelligence. Like, they think it’s just a scam made up by racists.

    But what do they think? That racists have always mistakenly thought that black people are dumb, but it’s just a coincidence that black people actually really do worse in school and on standardized tests than everybody else? Like, the racists just got lucky enough to live in a world where it just appears that they’re right?

    Eventually, this denial starts to sound like those articles you’d see a few years ago, where people would talk about the “anti-Semitic trope” of Jews using money to try to buy politicians to support Israel. And when someone would point out the huge amount of money Jewish organizations really do give to politicians, they wouldn’t have any other option than to say that, while it may look like Jews try to buy politicians, in reality, Jews really just like throwing their money away without expecting anything in return. It’s just a weird coincidence that those horrible anti-Semites look like they’re right.

    But it’s funny that these people never ask themselves why it is that the most racist racist in the world never accuses blacks of controlling the media and the banks, and the biggest anti-Semite in the world doesn’t accuse Jews of being stupid, or of going out and mugging people all the time. What are the odds that these racial stereotypes just happened to line up with the way things look in observable reality?

    And I guess that’s why they eventually have to give up, and start playing word games and denying that race exists, or that intelligence exists. It’s like, they can’t give any evidence that black people are as smart as anyone else, so they just say “There’s no such thing as intelligence! And there’s no such thing as a black person!”. The fact that that’s the best they can come up with should probably tell them something, but I’m fairly confident that it won’t.

    • Thanks: Moses
  80. @Altai
    @Steve Sailer

    It certainly makes his maintaining that physique for 3 films very impressive, (And almost inevitably he lost a lot of it between the films and had to pack it back on again or maybe they gave him a break in the ones where he didn't have to be shirtless) even with PEDs. He was diagnosed shortly after or before being cast. I wonder how much he told Disney though since there was time after his diagnosis to recast. Colon cancer is no joke.

    But Boseman didn't have a lot of raw screen charisma, he was a good actor but his lack of screen charisma tied with the dull personality of Black Panther made him fade into the background in his own movie. There were rumours of Michael B Jordan's (Who is far more screen charismatic and handsome, albeit a lot lighter skinned too) character 'Killmonger' might be back (Despite it being implied but not shown that he died) but now that Boseman is gone and it'd be seen as wrong to recast, I assume he'll come back to be reframed heroically as suits the zeitgeist where his statements aren't all that different to NYT editorials.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @ep, @jon, @ep, @syonredux

    Michael B. Jordan is good—and has charisma. Handsome, not so much; if you look at his early work in The Wire, it’s clear he has a severely receding chin. It would seem that the goatee he wears is designed to disguise this…

  81. @tyrone
    @Not Only Wrathful

    WOW!…..now boil that down so it's short and sweet like……. a hail Mary or an our father…….

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @Gary in Gramercy

    “Black people are the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful people I’ve ever known in my life.”

    • Replies: @tyrone
    @Gary in Gramercy

    You are forgiven my son……….see how easy that is.

  82. @tyrone
    @Not Only Wrathful

    WOW!…..now boil that down so it's short and sweet like……. a hail Mary or an our father…….

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @Gary in Gramercy

    “Black people are the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful people I’ve ever known in my life.”

  83. He’d be equally open to the view, I suggested, that data exploring genetics and its connection to intelligence would find that Black people are on average smarter than other groups.

    We’ve entered into a “Wakanda of the Mind” phase. Wakanda is actually like a real place to these people (liberals and most particularly liberal blacks).

    And as with any religion, no amount of evidence can dissuade people who adhere to it.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Patrick in SC

    We’ve entered into a “Wakanda of the Mind” phase. Wakanda is actually like a real place to these people (liberals and most particularly liberal blacks).

    And as with any religion, no amount of evidence can dissuade people who adhere to it.

    This what I have been saying about liberalism for years.

    We are dealing with a religion. You can't just write a well sourced essay and expect liberals to change how they think overnight. Whoops I guess we blew a trillion and trashed numerous cities. Sorry.

    Bill Gates spend millions in an effort to prove the racial gap was artificial via Common Core and then quietly went back to funding a cure for malaria.

    Most intelligent Whites have a very hard time with racial differences. They view any evidence contrary to the establishment view as racist in origin. In their minds race was declared to no exist years ago by Really Smart People and contrary evidence is just pushed by racist Whites.

  84. @Dumbo

    his income has risen from less than $200,000 to around $500,000 as a result of the move.
     
    I'm genuinely surprised that someone like Sullivan can make that amount of money just by writing his stuff. Well I have never really read him or cared much about his opinions. Then again, I never follow any of these personalities and pundits. Except maybe for those here at Unz, and some very obscure bloggers.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @sayless, @Morton's toes, @Prester John, @AnotherDad

    He gets paid 10K for writing and 490k for sucking his boss’s cock.

  85. @Anonymouse
    I ran across this article in the NYTimes RSS feed. The NYTimes has been changing its paywall since the pandemic, at one point removing it entirely. Currently the known hack of reloading + Esc seems no longer to work. Happily, the older strategem of searching for the article by title in news.google.com permits one to breach the paywall and read the article in its entirety.

    Sullivan as he says does not embrace the findings of Murray & Herrenstein's The Bell Curve. He is not out of the closet on the genetic IQ inferiority of blacks. That is the great shiboleth of polite society: whatever everybody knows to be the case and says viva voce may not be printed. Sullivan owns a small cottage in Provincetown with a view of the sea and is bedevilled by noisy queers at a local bar. I have been to Provincetown a number of times in days gone by so I feel his pain. Apparently Sullivan keeps his AIDS at bay with medication. I read that he is a conflicted Roman Catholic. Poor dear!

    Replies: @Wicks Cherrycoke, @Clyde

  86. @Gary in Gramercy
    @tyrone

    "Black people are the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful people I've ever known in my life."

    Replies: @tyrone

    You are forgiven my son……….see how easy that is.

  87. So Sullivan was fired by New York for an article he okayed publishing 26 years before. That’s pretty wild and says a lot about the madness of our day.

    It’s almost as though they know that all these magazines and newspapers will be dead and gone soon, so they’re committing Seppukku to hurry it along.

    his income has risen from less than $200,000 to around $500,000 as a result of the move.

    Functional businesses don’t fire their most in-demand employees, showing yet again the stupidity of legacy media and why they’ll all be bankrupt soon.

  88. @Jane Plain
    Honest, non-troll question: does anyone here actually expect black people to say, "You know what, I really am intellectually inferior."

    Replies: @Bumpkin, @res, @Steve in Greensboro, @Anon, @Redman

    They know it, so it hardly matters what they say. What matters is whether the rest of us are allowed to openly discuss it, as long as we aren’t insulting them to their faces.

  89. @Achmed E. Newman
    It sounds like Mr. Sullivan is damn near groveling about it. Groveling is not good enough though. 2 + 2 doesn't equal 5 for him yet. To not get cancelled, he's got to REALLY LUV BIG BROTHER. Then, they'll cancel him anyway, for sport.

    BTW, that was a good explanation of what the Overton Window means. I used to hear about it from Glenn Beck, way back when he'd write on that rotatable chalk board on CNN in the evenings*. That was before he became cucked-out. Whatever happened to Glenn Beck?

    .

    * I didn't have a TV even then, but liked to go to a clubhouse that had TV, better air conditioning, and snacks just to watch the one show for an hour.

    Replies: @tyrone, @Moses, @Neo-Socratic

    The number one reason why white people like not having a TV is so that they can tell you that they don’t have a TV.

    Lol

    https://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/26/28-not-having-a-tv/

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Moses

    It's 2020. There are people who have TV?

    https://i.postimg.cc/0N49Xd4w/INCAL-What-Lies-Beneath.png

    https://postimg.cc/Z9rkC34b

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Moses

    Haha! Well, I've been off the idiot plate a long while before commenting on the internets, but I am glad to preach it. Do the same, and not only will your thoughts be less corrupted, but you'll have quite a bit more time ..

    ... for, like, commenting on the internet and stuff.

  90. The flap reminded his colleagues and critics of Mr. Sullivan’s original sin, his decision to put on the cover of the Oct. 31, 1994, New Republic a package titled “Race and I.Q.”

    The Left really is obsessed with theological language……

    “Everything is environmental for the left except gays, where it’s totally genetic; and everything is genetic for the right, except for gays,” he said sarcastically.

    That’s a pretty solid observation….

    • Replies: @anon
    @syonredux

    The Left really is obsessed with theological language……

    Sure, because the Left is a secular religion, with Wokeness as the most intense version in decades. One of the problems with the Woke religion should be obvious by now: there is no statute of limitations on sin, and there is no way to ever make repentance. It is a cruel and unforgiving belief system.

    Even the Chinese Communist Party allowed for rehabilitation of some people sent to the countryside for re-education. As far as I can tell, Wokeism denies any possibility of that. Endless groveling apologies just lead to more denunciations and further Cancellation.

    Sullivan is an example of this. He Failed to Denounce a prohibited book on a prohibited topic back in the early 90's, so he's a thought criminal for the rest of time. It is a one-way trip. He's still a favored person by older Wokeists, too, yet he got fired. So what possible options exist for the rest of us?

    The situation at Sandia Laboratories is instructive, because it's not just another James Damore situation or another Goodyear "appropriate hat" situation, Casey Peterson's protest video has led not just to him being put on leave, but a Federal security team scanning the entire email system at the national lab. Firing Peterson from a national lab will be more involved than firing Damore from Google, but there is a procedure. I don't know if it's started yet or not.

    Because Wokeism is constantly shifting in its standards and beliefs, plus failure to conform 100% to the cause at the moment means Cancellation with no possible rehabilitation. It's not so much like the Cultural Revolution as a very mild form the Khmer Rouge. That means eventually Wokeism will either get modified or it will fall of its own internal contradictions. Unfortunately there's a lot of ruin that can happen in the mean time.

  91. @Clyde
    @Altai

    Lots of Africans in Ireland, which is at the same latitude as Newfoundland. https://tinyurl.com/y38fdves

    Replies: @El Dato

    YEP. Ireland was occupied by Africans, but they had to leave briefly during the Potato Famine but now are coming back to claim what is rightfully theirs.

    Meanwhile, Anti-Jesus activist Shaun King won’t stand back:

    Liberal activist accused of using ‘Black Panther’ star Chadwick Boseman’s death to help sell his book

    King found himself trending on Twitter, after screenshots of an email began making the rounds – one in which the author simultaneously reflected on the death of 43-year-old Boseman while also selling his book ‘Make Change’.

    “I hope you are hanging in there. Yesterday I sent an email checking in on everybody – and just a few hours later we learned of the death of Chadwick Boseman. Life is so very fragile. Tomorrow is not promised,” he wrote, before jumping right into talking about Black Lives Matter and his book, which chronicles his work with the movement and in social justice reform.

    “Everywhere I go, people ask me, ‘Shaun, how do I actually use my life, my skills, my time, my energy to impact and change the world?’ My book, ‘Make Change’, is a 272-page answer to that question,” he wrote.

    “This actually happened”

    Make Change more like Make Cash, Neighbour!.

    Now that M. Boseman is quickly becoming the new fetish that shows that the Road to Wakanda is real, I nominate HAL-9000 as the perfect symbol of the Biden-Kamala ticket. HAL-9000 has everything: Neurotic, on the search of a Black Icon, foolproof and incapable of error, kills everyone, then sings “Daisy Daisy”.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @El Dato

    I like your flights of fancy riffing there! Meanwhile Talcum X remains a disgusting fraud who is a BLM leader. So they say. He seems to make decent money doing whatever he does. When are some real blacks with some decent melanin count going to boot him out? As they say --- One of life's enduring mysteries.

    BLM Leader Shaun King Endorses ‘Mayhem’ In America To ...
    https://www.teaparty.org/blm-leader-shaun-king...
    Aug 25, 2020 · — Shaun King (@shaunking) August 24, 2020. This is not the first time that King has endorsed violence to promote his political goals. Big League Politics reported last year on how King cheered on domestic terrorist Willem Van Spronsen, who died attacking an ICE facility and released a pro-ANTIFA manifesto:

  92. @Bill Jones
    For Astaire level tap dancing bring up the topic of Rhodesia/Zimbabwe.

    Replies: @Ganderson, @Carol

    The answer is “white man, colonialism, etc.”

    Next question.

  93. @Altai
    @Steve Sailer

    It certainly makes his maintaining that physique for 3 films very impressive, (And almost inevitably he lost a lot of it between the films and had to pack it back on again or maybe they gave him a break in the ones where he didn't have to be shirtless) even with PEDs. He was diagnosed shortly after or before being cast. I wonder how much he told Disney though since there was time after his diagnosis to recast. Colon cancer is no joke.

    But Boseman didn't have a lot of raw screen charisma, he was a good actor but his lack of screen charisma tied with the dull personality of Black Panther made him fade into the background in his own movie. There were rumours of Michael B Jordan's (Who is far more screen charismatic and handsome, albeit a lot lighter skinned too) character 'Killmonger' might be back (Despite it being implied but not shown that he died) but now that Boseman is gone and it'd be seen as wrong to recast, I assume he'll come back to be reframed heroically as suits the zeitgeist where his statements aren't all that different to NYT editorials.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @ep, @jon, @ep, @syonredux

    Michael B Jordan’s level of trap development is kinda suspicious. The traps are highly responsive to steroids…..

    • Replies: @Moses
    @syonredux

    Come on. All actors and athletes are on steroids now.

    , @Altai
    @syonredux

    Yeah, his physique in Black Panther was almost comical, add to that the skintight plastic layer of fake scarification over his skin and he didn't look or move human when shirtless.

    , @A well-known secret
    @syonredux

    Every action movie actor, black or white or other, sporting a physique like that since Schwarzenegger entered the fray in the 70s has used steroids to achieve it (compare e.g. De Niro in Raging Bull, where he actually looks like a real boxer). There's no other way to make it, unless you have extraordinary genetics, and then again you still can't lay on the couch all day.

    It's easier for blacks to look like that, since they have on average less body fat, bulk up faster, and musculature is more visible when you have darker skin (which is why nonblack bodybuilders spend an inordinate amount of time in tanning salons).

  94. @Tono Bungay
    Delightful to see that this NYT article has aroused a most charming rebuttal from Mr. Sailer. What amazes me most is that Ben Smith is not generally a stupid man, but he accepts the role of Scourge of Heretics and even is un-self-conscious enough in doing so to employ the term "original sin". Mr. Sailer is 100% right that Sullivan's firing by New York magazine "for an article he okayed publishing 26 years before ... says a lot about the madness of our day." And Andrew Sullivan isn't even really contesting the orthodoxy; he's merely refusing to agree to it. He isn't saying that the intelligence of black people is less than that of whites but only that it might be because so much evidence suggests it. The NY Times is leading us all into a really crazy world, where a failure to affirm the catechism publicly is of course a firing offense. (Oh my God, I'm starting to sound just like one of those commentators to Unz Review articles!)

    Replies: @Moses

    The NY Times is leading us all into a really crazy world, where a failure to affirm the catechism publicly is of course a firing offense.

    Yes

  95. @Achmed E. Newman
    It sounds like Mr. Sullivan is damn near groveling about it. Groveling is not good enough though. 2 + 2 doesn't equal 5 for him yet. To not get cancelled, he's got to REALLY LUV BIG BROTHER. Then, they'll cancel him anyway, for sport.

    BTW, that was a good explanation of what the Overton Window means. I used to hear about it from Glenn Beck, way back when he'd write on that rotatable chalk board on CNN in the evenings*. That was before he became cucked-out. Whatever happened to Glenn Beck?

    .

    * I didn't have a TV even then, but liked to go to a clubhouse that had TV, better air conditioning, and snacks just to watch the one show for an hour.

    Replies: @tyrone, @Moses, @Neo-Socratic

    Whatever happened to Glenn Beck?

    Glenn Beck had a chalkboard episode where he discussed the Frankfurt School, their move to America and the immense damage they’ve done. 9 of the 10 people he named were Jewish.

    Need I say more?

    The question surrounding that infamous episode is whether or not Beck knew that fact.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Neo-Socratic

    Yes, I do remember that, N-S. For a while there I watched every evening as a routine.


    ... whether or not Beck knew that fact.
     
    is a good question. I assume you think he was told to "cease and desist".
  96. @Altai
    @eric


    Can anyone name a nation where black people are materially better off than in the US?
     
    Canada? Iceland? (Yes, there are black people in Iceland now) Pretty much all of Europe except maybe France. Australia? Japan?

    https://www.youtube.com/c/TheBlackExperienceJapan/videos

    But generally speaking the more homogeneous the historic population, the weaker their roots and the smaller the proportion that is black, the better off they are.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Clyde, @syonredux

    Canada? Iceland? (Yes, there are black people in Iceland now) Pretty much all of Europe except maybe France. Australia? Japan?

    Clearly, Black Americans need to claim refugee status and move to Canada en masse. Once there, Wakanda would finally be a reality….

  97. “Having once (years ago) acknowledged the existence of Charles Murray” is worse than “advocating HIV-decorated sex”? These idiots manage to be more pozzed than Andrew.

  98. @syonredux
    @Altai

    Michael B Jordan's level of trap development is kinda suspicious. The traps are highly responsive to steroids.....





    https://images.hellogiggles.com/uploads/2018/05/08124539/mjb.png

    Replies: @Moses, @Altai, @A well-known secret

    Come on. All actors and athletes are on steroids now.

  99. @Kent Nationalist

    He’d be equally open to the view, I suggested, that data exploring genetics and its connection to intelligence would find that Black people are on average smarter than other groups.

     

    Had the author who wrote this just escaped from some sort of institution for the clinically retarded? Or is 'Ben Smith' the pseudonym of a particularly earnest 14 year old girl?

    Replies: @bigdicknick, @res, @Gary5555

    It seems to be a popular talking point with some people. I have seen that from some Unz commenters. Here is an example from a few years ago.
    https://www.unz.com/article/my-last-word-on-the-scrabble-and-iq-debate-2/?showcomments#comment-2008021

    Let’s assume that science establishes that blacks are genetically smarter than whites (yes, that’s just as plausible as vice versa)

    • LOL: Kent Nationalist
  100. Lost in all the rhetoric is what I understand Herrnstein and Murray to be saying in The Bell Curve.

    The world is rewarding people with high IQs as work gets more intellectual and less muscular. Therefore people with low IQs really have a problem. If indeed, Blacks have consistently lower IQs than white brown and yellow people then this is a huge problem — for Blacks and for the rest of us.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Christopher Chantrill


    Lost in all the rhetoric is what I understand Herrnstein and Murray to be saying in The Bell Curve.

    The world is rewarding people with high IQs as work gets more intellectual and less muscular. Therefore people with low IQs really have a problem. If indeed, Blacks have consistently lower IQs than white brown and yellow people then this is a huge problem — for Blacks and for the rest of us.
     
    Blacks are proliferating. Whites are going extinct. The world rewards people with high IQs.

    Replies: @Dumbo

    , @John Johnson
    @Christopher Chantrill

    The world is rewarding people with high IQs as work gets more intellectual and less muscular. Therefore people with low IQs really have a problem. If indeed, Blacks have consistently lower IQs than white brown and yellow people then this is a huge problem — for Blacks and for the rest of us.

    The world rewards? What does that mean? Paying smart people to solve problems in tiny offices while third worlders breed without care?

    Some third worlder has 5 kids while a female engineer in Western society works 60 hours and never sees the light of day.

    That's the modern world.

    Conservatives cheers this as the "free market" while liberals think encouraging women into childless careers is progress.

    Meanwhile the world loses as third worlders still are not creating Wakanda or curing diseases. Where is Wakanda? Thought that was supposed to happen when Whites left Africa?

    Eventually the world will admit that this age of stupidity was based on lies and the "bad Whites" on the internet were right the whole time while billion dollar Universities were lying through their teeth.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Kratoklastes

  101. @sayless
    @Dumbo

    I'm glad Andrew Sullivan's income went up after NY Magazine kicked him out.

    Brendan Eich lost his job at Mozilla after one week because it came out that he had donated money to help out that California proposition that would have restricted the word marriage to the union of a man and a woman. Andrew Sullivan went to bat for him, along the lines of, Half the state supported that initiative. Do you want all of them fired too? "Congratulations, bigots. You just lost a computer programmer his job."

    When he let it be known that he had AIDS, he said that only two people in DC contacted him to say they were sorry to hear it, and one of them was Patrick Buchanan.

    Decent person.

    Replies: @Dumbo

    In Wikipedia Brendan Eich is described as:

    Known for
    JavaScript, opposition to same-sex marriage[1][2][3]

    As if both had the same importance… Yes, Buchanan seems like a fundamentally good guy who would do that. Unlike the majority of politicians who just follow the way the wind is blowing.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Dumbo


    As if both had the same importance…
     
    I agree. JavaScript is a bad language that should never have existed as is. A non-homoiconic Scheme just to get a C-style '{}' into the text with bad kludges on the side to pretend Object-Orientation is baked in is not a win.
  102. Anon[385] • Disclaimer says:

    Beyond the book length critique that could be written counter to the Left’s science critiques (of mostly journalists who lack science training?), the most damning message of the Left’s science analysis is that science is perfectly shaped to verify their politics across all social domains to include gender, race, sexuality, criminal behavior, and more.

    Nature isn’t that clean, which means that its presentation as such across all Leftist sociopolitical issues indicates a measure of fraud.

    Unfortunately for them, in science, one documented instance of fraud spoils everything that they state going forward. Their inability to give quarter for what they may view as lesser issues will corrupt their long term success in advancing their more primary social issues through science.

    Tell us that there is no such thing as biological gender today, and tomorrow you better assure that we are documenting human races as subspecies, tailoring social policy to a group’s specific degree of hominid admixture, and viewing legal and strict segregation as both common sense diversity preservation and a human right.

    Allow them fall victim to their own zealous ideology as forced through science. It’s like watching an OCD victim not being able to resist repeatedly pushing the gas release button in his own lethal gas chamber, in spite of the obvious death that it will bring. It’ll be one significant part of their undoing.

  103. @Redman
    @Altai

    I’ve had the “pleasure” of representing defendants in criminal matters here in NY on both sides of the “nigger” question in the late 1990s.

    First, I represented a very nice black security guard (call him John) arrested for assault while working the front desk of a high rise apartment building after a fire broke out on the 23rd floor. A resident had grown irate when John wouldn’t let him up to see if his wife and child supposedly in the apartment. During the argument, out came the n-word, and John was finished talking. Beating ensued.

    Second, I represented a wealthy Manhattan businessman (call him Jim) charged with aggravated disorderly conduct for using the N-word during an argument with another building security guard. This was right after the new hate speech rules had been implemented as aggravating factors for ordinary crimes like assault and DC.

    In the first case I relied on the N-word as a mitigating factor which should have justified John’s assault. In the second case, I argued that the hate law was unconstitutional, which I still believe to be true. Around that same time (late 1990s), the use of the N-word by blacks in rap music exploded and, in my view, was entirely inauthentic. Excessive use of the N-word was really a coverup. A symptom of rap music’s exhaustion as a musical form. Playing off the success of NWA and the Ghetto Boys, rappers had to double down on the putative power of violent black males. Gangsta rap encouraged nihilistic violence without any pretense of political significance, like the earlier songs of Public Enemy.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Jim Don Bob, @Altai

    So, Mr. Lincoln, were you correct this morning when you took one side of an argument to defend your
    earlier client, or are you correct now, when you are taking the other side to defend your current client?

  104. @Anonymous

    By the way, I wonder how many times Ben Smith, the NYT’s media columnist, has read the 745 page The Bell Curve? Two? Three?
     
    Why does Steve think he’s read it multiple times?

    Replies: @res

    Sarcasm, I think. I’d be surprised if he has read it through even once (I’d be happy to be proven wrong). Though he might have read these chapters multiple times.
    Chapter 13, Ethnic Differences in Cognitive Ability
    Chapter 14, Ethnic Inequalities in Relation to IQ Summary and Analysis

    This Quillette article is worth reading.
    https://quillette.com/2017/03/27/a-tale-of-two-bell-curves/

    The concluding paragraph.

    There are two versions of The Bell Curve. The first is a disgusting and bigoted fraud. The second is a judicious but provocative look at intelligence and its increasing importance in the United States. The first is a fiction. And the second is the real Bell Curve. Because many, if not most, of the pundits who assailed The Bell Curve did not and have not bothered to read it, the fictitious Bell Curve has thrived and continues to inspire furious denunciations. We have suggested that almost all of the proposals of The Bell Curve are plausible. Of course, it is possible that some are incorrect. But we will only know which ones if people responsibly engage the real Bell Curve instead of castigating a caricature.

  105. @Art Deco
    @eric

    Can anyone name a nation where black people are materially better off than in the US?

    If you mean a black population in at least six digits, some possibilities: greater Toronto and the French Caribbean. If I'm not mistaken, blacks in Britain are in their income levels closer to white British than American blacks are to white Americans, but less affluent than black Americans. They also face lower rates of violent crime than black Americans (but higher rates of property crime). Barbados is the one Anglo-Caribbean island where street crime isn't a severe problem. However, Barbadians are less affluent than black Americans.

    Pre-tax and post-tax, black Americans have satisfactory income levels on any international or historical scale. The problem is one of security: (1) street crime and (2) the haphazard construction of the social safety net. Also, the way the school system, welfare system, and labor market are set up means wretched malinvestment in skill development, so blacks are not getting the most one could out of time in formal schooling &c.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    The problem is one of security: (1) street crime and (2) the haphazard construction of the social safety net. Also, the way the school system, welfare system, and labor market are set up means wretched malinvestment in skill development, so blacks are not getting the most one could out of time in formal schooling

    The problem is the way the school system is setup? Teachers have behavioral problems with Black kids well before they are at the age of skill development.

    Liberals and egalitarians have told us that:
    Black kids need White teachers
    Black kids need to be in White schools
    Black kids need to be in Black schools
    Black kids need to be in White schools but with Black teachers
    Black kids need to be in Black schools with Black teachers

    Why can they not get their strategy correct? Why are we spending billions on higher ed when liberals with PHds in education have not gotten this right since the days of abolition?

    You can even go back and find egalitarians in the 1940s talking about completely taking Black kids out of their environment which is what some liberals discuss today. A new liberal trend is to turn the school into the main home. I read an article from a liberal in education that is currently proposing we feed them dinner….in school. Some schools in Chicago are adding laundry facilities.

    It’s only a matter of time before liberals propose year round boarding schools on the same old assumption that race doesn’t exist so there must be bugaboo bad spirits in the environment making inequality. So the answer must be to completely pull them from their environment, which means liberals don’t trust Black parents to raise their children and want the state to do it. What happens if that doesnt’ work?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @John Johnson

    Yes, the problem with the way school systems are set up.

    1. Incorrigibles are not sequestered.

    2. Schools are not in session for 1/3 of the time, as if the youths had farm work to perform

    3. Elementary schools are resistant to proper tracking

    4. Elementary school curricula commonly lack focus, leaving youths at age 14 without secure skills in arithmetic or in speaking and writing in grammatical English. Nor do they have in their heads a simple timeline of American history, or a map of the country, or a schema of the architecture of government.

    5. The default mode of secondary schooling in this country is half-assed academic instruction in lieu of sorting students into academic, vocational, and basic tracks.

    6. A hypertrophied system of tertiary schooling has been constructed in lieu of repairing secondary schooling.

    7. Tertiary schooling suffers from bloat of every kind, most notably the distribution requirements which remain there in a bad imitation of long-gone core curricula.

  106. Barack Obama, writing in the Harvard Law Record:

    “I must[sic] say, however, that as someone who has undoubtedly[you got that right, lightweight] benefited from affirmative action programs during[read ENTIRE] my academic career, and as someone who may[may? LOL] have benefited from the Law Review’s affirmative action policy when I was selected to join the Review last year, I have not personally[sic] felt[sic] stigmatized[where’s the comma, genius?] either within the broader law school community or as a staff member of the Review.”

    Steve, if Obama had high LSAT scores do you think he would have confessed this? And why is he hiding his so-called magna cum laude transcripts? Could it be he was taking gut courses from the likes of Derrick Bell? Notice the redundancy in his writing? A mediocrity through and through. There is no CREDIBLE evidence that this mulatto mediocrity ever showed any semblance of brilliance. Even his speeches are manifestations of a 3d-rate intellect

    • Agree: sayless
    • Replies: @sayless
    @Meretricious

    Maybe one reason that the Lightworker never Personally Felt Stigmatized is because the other people at the HLR, being nimble-witted and forward-looking, estimated what it might cost them if this moron ever Did So Feel.

    No one remembers him at Columbia. No one remembers him at the University of Chicago. Does anyone remember him from Harvard?

    I've read speculation that the reason no one remembers him at Chicago is because he knew he was so outgunned intellectually that he just delivered his lectures and cleared out before anyone had a chance to talk to him.

    Wayne Allen Root was at Columbia, graduated the same year, 1983. He was pre-law, like Obama. He majored in political science, like Obama.

    Root decided to run for the presidency, can't remember if it was 2008 or 2012. A historical first! Classmates running against one another, same major, same graduation year!

    He was interviewed many times over the course of the campaign: What was Obama like? He would answer, I don't know, I never met him. I never heard of him. And no one I knew there ever met him or heard of him either.

    For his pains, Root was body-slammed by the IRS for a couple of years, once The One had assumed power, or reassumed it.

    Trump, being a self-described Vindictive Bastard, perhaps will order the release of Obama's academic records.

    That would be a bit of a consolation for what that creature did to this country.

  107. • Replies: @res
    @MEH 0910

    Can't Lion see how trying to do that would throw gasoline on the fire of the "Trump is racist" accusations?

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    , @anon
    @MEH 0910

    Why do people think this pompous "Lion" dude is smart?

    , @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/1302020881624051712

    https://twitter.com/PhilipWegmann/status/1302029208177307650

  108. @wren
    Does Sullivan still have "To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle." on his banner?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Does Sullivan still have “To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle.” on his banner?

    You probably don’t want to see what is in front of Sullivan’s nose.

    • LOL: wren
  109. @Jane Plain
    Honest, non-troll question: does anyone here actually expect black people to say, "You know what, I really am intellectually inferior."

    Replies: @Bumpkin, @res, @Steve in Greensboro, @Anon, @Redman

    Interpreting it as “I” is a big part of the problem. I don’t find it offensive to me personally for someone to say that East Asians and Jews appear to have a higher average IQ than whites.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @res

    That is because you come from a solid identity. Your people have created a lot of things. They don't have that. It doesn't threaten me that on average, the Asians I encounter have in my opinion a higher IQ and a more competent personality type than Jews. Not in the slightest. But that's because I come from an ethnic group with many accomplishments. If my ethnic group was only good at running with a football or dribbling a basketball, I would be offended.

    , @Meretricious
    @res

    the East Asian IQ advantage is quantitative, while verbal IQ is more civilizational.

  110. @Arclight
    No one wants to notice that the most successful ethnic/racial groups in the US generally come from groups that have notable achievements in their history pre-arrival, and the less successful come from groups that tend not to have the most glorious past to boast of.

    In our current moment, the evidence of group differences are all around us, and it takes a constant struggle to ignore what is right in front of one's face.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Arc, or simply the the ability to recognize the accomplishments of others and try to emulate them. Of course this is pre-approbriations thought on my part.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @Buffalo Joe

    Also true. Filipinos do well in America despite their homeland being something of an Asian backwater that has been conquered and occupied by a slew of other countries. But in the US, saying that perhaps blacks ought to copy their more successful citizens is considered an unforgivable slur against blackness/goodness.

  111. @Patrick in SC

    He’d be equally open to the view, I suggested, that data exploring genetics and its connection to intelligence would find that Black people are on average smarter than other groups.
     
    We've entered into a "Wakanda of the Mind" phase. Wakanda is actually like a real place to these people (liberals and most particularly liberal blacks).

    And as with any religion, no amount of evidence can dissuade people who adhere to it.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    We’ve entered into a “Wakanda of the Mind” phase. Wakanda is actually like a real place to these people (liberals and most particularly liberal blacks).

    And as with any religion, no amount of evidence can dissuade people who adhere to it.

    This what I have been saying about liberalism for years.

    We are dealing with a religion. You can’t just write a well sourced essay and expect liberals to change how they think overnight. Whoops I guess we blew a trillion and trashed numerous cities. Sorry.

    Bill Gates spend millions in an effort to prove the racial gap was artificial via Common Core and then quietly went back to funding a cure for malaria.

    Most intelligent Whites have a very hard time with racial differences. They view any evidence contrary to the establishment view as racist in origin. In their minds race was declared to no exist years ago by Really Smart People and contrary evidence is just pushed by racist Whites.

  112. @The Alarmist
    @Steve Sailer

    Tru dat. While it didn’t take a village to bring Wakanda to life, it did not hurt to have a talented cast, a production crew, a ton of pre- and post-production, beaucoup bucks, and a lot of media hype.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    Tru dat. While it didn’t take a village to bring Wakanda to life, it did not hurt to have a talented cast, a production crew, a ton of pre- and post-production, beaucoup bucks, and a lot of media hype.

    They should have employed Steve who might have told them that it was bad optics for a bunch of spear chuckers to chuck spears throughout a film about a fictional intelligent tribe of Africans.

  113. NYT: Andrew Sullivan Can Never Ever be Forgiven for Publishing an Excerpt from the Bell Curve in 1994

    I refuse to forgive Andrew Sullivan for going into a ROID-RAGE and screaming at the top of his lungs at some mug in Central Park — designed by the non-steroid-taking Olmsted(although Olmsted was bald like Sullivan, but Sullivan was bald because of ancestry and steroid usage) — over some dog-related triviality.

    Irish ape blanksucker who went from wispy Celtic turd on some dumb TV shows and has a surname like my grandmother had with Givens thrown in there goes completely bananas in a lovely and tranquil urban wood and field space created by Olmsted and he never apologized to the wider world. Maybe Andrew Sullivan thought he apologized by writing about it, which is how I know about it, but I have always drank my beer and behaved myself like a civilized person without recourse to screaming at some other mug while I was in Central Park.

    When Andrew Sullivan meets Lyle Alzado in Olmsted’s Central Park is the end point of the American Empire. Historians all agree with that assessment. Maybe.

  114. @syonredux
    @Altai

    Michael B Jordan's level of trap development is kinda suspicious. The traps are highly responsive to steroids.....





    https://images.hellogiggles.com/uploads/2018/05/08124539/mjb.png

    Replies: @Moses, @Altai, @A well-known secret

    Yeah, his physique in Black Panther was almost comical, add to that the skintight plastic layer of fake scarification over his skin and he didn’t look or move human when shirtless.

  115. The decline in noblesse oblige has been a disaster for the middle-left side of the bell curve.

  116. @Jane Plain
    Honest, non-troll question: does anyone here actually expect black people to say, "You know what, I really am intellectually inferior."

    Replies: @Bumpkin, @res, @Steve in Greensboro, @Anon, @Redman

    No one does and Dunning-Kruger explains why.

  117. @Mr McKenna
    @Steve Sailer


    Wakanda isn’t real
     
    Shut yo mouth white boy.

    he hasn’t always had perfect footing on American questions of race
     
    See? You and Sullivan have one more thing in common.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    See? You and Sullivan have one more thing in common.

    Wait, are you suggesting that Sailer is Sullivan? Other notable coincidences:

    Sullivan is out of the closet – Sailer is still in his closet

    Sullivan loves him some sailers and seamen

    Both start with an S and sound similar when spoken with a lisp.

    • LOL: Mr McKenna
  118. @Anonymous
    You wanna mess with someone's mind?

    Challenge interracial marriage in the mildest terms

    Watch them spiral and reveal their true face

    Replies: @Flip, @John Johnson

  119. anon[683] • Disclaimer says:
    @Not Only Wrathful
    Black people are far more intelligent on average than white people. Indeed, they are much quicker to learn and engage with complex ideas than Chinese people, Jews, Indians and all other groups. These are facts. Undeniable. Just as is the fact that they have the highest number of world-changing geniuses of any racial cleavage in human history.

    This is why our past is just an endless parade to black intellectual achievement and why there is not one subject of academic expertise where the critical ideas were not originated in black brains.

    There would have been no technological, nor philosophical, nor sociological progress, in any part of the globe, without black people. The entire world owes them their admiration and respect and the total freedom to continue to generously provides all advances of human-kind.

    End of topic.

    Replies: @tyrone, @The Alarmist, @Dumbo, @Charon, @anon

    Our Black Fathers, who art in America
    hallowed be thy Name,
    thy kingdom come,
    thy will be done,
    on earth as it is in Africa

    Give us this day our daily lectures
    And forgive us our micro aggressions
    as we forgive those
    who rape and murder us.

    And lead us not into racism,
    but deliver us from privilege

    For thine is the kingdom,
    and the power, and the glory,
    for ever and ever. Amen.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @anon

    I found this spiritual deep in my archives. Enjoy.


    Come all of you pro-whites
    Good news to you I’ll yell
    Of how human biodiversity
    Was borne from William Tell

    Which side are you on?
    Which side are you on?
    The white side

    I cannot tell a lie
    ‘Bout non-white IQ and violence rates
    I’ll just stick to makin’ up facts
    And leave the rest to fate

    Which side are you on?
    Which side are you on?
    The white side

    They say the race war is coming
    They’ll be no neutrals here
    You’ll either for genocide
    Or stringin’ up anti-whites in fear

    Which side are you on?
    Which side are you on?
    The white side
     
  120. Great article, wish I had an ‘agree’ button for the main article. You get it.

    That Yoram Hazony guy, who I mainly regard as a moderate liberal trying to keep it working, still makes a lot of great points in this that I have been thinking about a bit lately and I think it ties in to what you wrote.

    https://quillette.com/2020/08/16/the-challenge-of-marxism/

    I’ve said that every society consists of classes or groups. These stand in various power relations to one another, which find expression in the political, legal, religious, and moral traditions that are handed down by the strongest classes or groups. It is only within the context of these traditions that we come to believe that words like freedom and equality mean one thing and not another, and to develop a “common sense” of how different interests and concerns are to be balanced against one another in actual cases.

    Conservatives are liberals too, and the source of the ratchet is their commitment to delusion and lies. The liberals want to just play pretend that any of their enlightenment values are true. “All men are created equal” is demonstrably false if interpreted in any literal way. It’s all happy platitudes outside of a specific cultural meaning that redefined and interpreted all the words to mean something else anyway.

    But while the liberals are committed to pretending, the left understands the real world doesn’t follow those values and never has, but rather than accept that the values are wrong, they are on a project to remake reality and force it to conform to the values they (and liberals) think it should have.

    Liberals are defenseless to the left because they can’t let go of the happy delusion. To actually stand up to and refute the BS of the left would require them to admit that liberalism is wrong. They can’t do it, so they get co-opted in the left project of assigning scapegoats and smashing things until the world becomes what they think it should be. And the project of Progress is never finished because reality is always still there. The left is the temper tantrum of liberalism holding it’s breath in the face of harsh reality. If all trees must be equal and the short ones will not grow, then the tall ones must be chopped down, which is easily rationalized if all trees must be equal, the tall ones must have stolen the nutrients from the soil under the short ones, so they deserve to be chopped down. Wreckers and kulaks all. It was such a pretty dream.

  121. @Anonymous
    You wanna mess with someone's mind?

    Challenge interracial marriage in the mildest terms

    Watch them spiral and reveal their true face

    Replies: @Flip, @John Johnson

    You wanna mess with someone’s mind?

    Challenge interracial marriage in the mildest terms

    Don’t bother with mild terms.

    Ask if there are increased risk of poor birth outcome with mixed race children.

    It’s been known for a long time.

    Interestingly the White male/Black female couple has even higher risk than White female/Black male.

    This is most likely because Black female bodies are not designed for White children.

    A lot of this data is kept from the public for obvious reasons.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @John Johnson


    Ask if there are increased risk of poor birth outcome with mixed race children.
     
    Such as what?

    Replies: @John Johnson

  122. In some ways Obama was ahead of Murray and Herrnstein. Obama became heavily involved in black Chicago schools during the 1980s as a Alinsky-style community organizer. These schools had 50% dropout rates and chronically low academic achievement. While the academics researching these problems with Obama were often Anthropologists (culture rules all,) their hopes for improving black schools were dismal. I recall from “Rising Star” one very nasty community seminar attended by Obama that was the essentially the Anthropologists version of “The Bell Curve: For Blacks By Blacks.” They used the same statistics on academic ability, but stressed different causes for it. To improve black academic ability would be like improving Bill Cosby’s public image in 2020.

  123. @Jane Plain
    Honest, non-troll question: does anyone here actually expect black people to say, "You know what, I really am intellectually inferior."

    Replies: @Bumpkin, @res, @Steve in Greensboro, @Anon, @Redman

    Clearly you don’t understand this issue. Not every black person is “intellectually inferior” to the average white. But 5/6ths are. Whether many of them want to admit this is not my concern. I’m sick of being blamed for every papercut every black has ever gotten

  124. Elite Jws need to pit blacks against whites, so clearly none of them are going acknowledge a reality whose denial is the basis of their power.

  125. @Moses
    @Achmed E. Newman


    The number one reason why white people like not having a TV is so that they can tell you that they don’t have a TV.
     
    Lol

    https://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/26/28-not-having-a-tv/

    Replies: @El Dato, @Achmed E. Newman

    It’s 2020. There are people who have TV?

  126. @Nikolai Vladivostok
    Like the Spanish Inquisition, they are obsessed with making heretics recant and abjectly apologise before they cancel them anyway. You'd think they'd dangle some carrots but nope. I think it's an expression of power as much as anything.

    Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian, @ia

    Like the Spanish Inquisition

    Nah, Cathars and others were gnostics who held clearly defined doctrinal heresies. Modernist cancel culture is more like fitna, offense to the prophet. Except there is no prophet and doctrine. Only endless, vague and shifting offenses to blacks (whom nobody actually believes are sacred anyway).

  127. @res
    @Jane Plain

    Interpreting it as "I" is a big part of the problem. I don't find it offensive to me personally for someone to say that East Asians and Jews appear to have a higher average IQ than whites.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Meretricious

    That is because you come from a solid identity. Your people have created a lot of things. They don’t have that. It doesn’t threaten me that on average, the Asians I encounter have in my opinion a higher IQ and a more competent personality type than Jews. Not in the slightest. But that’s because I come from an ethnic group with many accomplishments. If my ethnic group was only good at running with a football or dribbling a basketball, I would be offended.

  128. @Moses
    @Achmed E. Newman


    The number one reason why white people like not having a TV is so that they can tell you that they don’t have a TV.
     
    Lol

    https://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/26/28-not-having-a-tv/

    Replies: @El Dato, @Achmed E. Newman

    Haha! Well, I’ve been off the idiot plate a long while before commenting on the internets, but I am glad to preach it. Do the same, and not only will your thoughts be less corrupted, but you’ll have quite a bit more time ..

    … for, like, commenting on the internet and stuff.

  129. @Jay K
    Ben Smith Gives Buzzfeed the OK to Call Donald Trump a Racist

    https://forward.com/schmooze/326455/ben-smith-gives-buzzfeed-the-ok-to-call-donald-trump-a-racist/

    Smith, who is Jewish, has since posted the entire memo to his Twitter page:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/benyt/status/674417675813019648

    Replies: @Meretricious

    Smith has a Jewish mother–judging from his red hair, I’d guess his father is Irish–but he sure ain’t a member of the tribe

  130. Anonymous[101] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jane Plain
    Why not just admit that yes, blacks have been horribly treated in the US (slavery, Jim Crow, the majority of ghoulish lynching) and they also have a lower mean IQ and a greater tendency to commit violent crime?

    Both sides win!

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Why not just admit that yes, blacks have been horribly treated in the US (slavery, Jim Crow, the majority of ghoulish lynching) and they also have a lower mean IQ and a greater tendency to commit violent crime?

    Both sides win!

    Because that would be a lie. Blacks have not been horribly treated in the US.

    It is sinful to make false accusations.

  131. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/LionBlogosphere/status/1300473719035437057

    Replies: @res, @anon, @MEH 0910

    Can’t Lion see how trying to do that would throw gasoline on the fire of the “Trump is racist” accusations?

    • Agree: Patrick in SC
    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @res

    Lion is still suffering from CDS (Corona Derangement Syndrome). He recently endorsed Biden, prompting much kvetching among his commentariat.

  132. anon[965] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    The flap reminded his colleagues and critics of Mr. Sullivan’s original sin, his decision to put on the cover of the Oct. 31, 1994, New Republic a package titled “Race and I.Q.”
     
    The Left really is obsessed with theological language......

    “Everything is environmental for the left except gays, where it’s totally genetic; and everything is genetic for the right, except for gays,” he said sarcastically.
     
    That's a pretty solid observation....

    Replies: @anon

    The Left really is obsessed with theological language……

    Sure, because the Left is a secular religion, with Wokeness as the most intense version in decades. One of the problems with the Woke religion should be obvious by now: there is no statute of limitations on sin, and there is no way to ever make repentance. It is a cruel and unforgiving belief system.

    Even the Chinese Communist Party allowed for rehabilitation of some people sent to the countryside for re-education. As far as I can tell, Wokeism denies any possibility of that. Endless groveling apologies just lead to more denunciations and further Cancellation.

    Sullivan is an example of this. He Failed to Denounce a prohibited book on a prohibited topic back in the early 90’s, so he’s a thought criminal for the rest of time. It is a one-way trip. He’s still a favored person by older Wokeists, too, yet he got fired. So what possible options exist for the rest of us?

    The situation at Sandia Laboratories is instructive, because it’s not just another James Damore situation or another Goodyear “appropriate hat” situation, Casey Peterson’s protest video has led not just to him being put on leave, but a Federal security team scanning the entire email system at the national lab. Firing Peterson from a national lab will be more involved than firing Damore from Google, but there is a procedure. I don’t know if it’s started yet or not.

    Because Wokeism is constantly shifting in its standards and beliefs, plus failure to conform 100% to the cause at the moment means Cancellation with no possible rehabilitation. It’s not so much like the Cultural Revolution as a very mild form the Khmer Rouge. That means eventually Wokeism will either get modified or it will fall of its own internal contradictions. Unfortunately there’s a lot of ruin that can happen in the mean time.

  133. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/LionBlogosphere/status/1300473719035437057

    Replies: @res, @anon, @MEH 0910

    Why do people think this pompous “Lion” dude is smart?

  134. @Redman
    @Altai

    I’ve had the “pleasure” of representing defendants in criminal matters here in NY on both sides of the “nigger” question in the late 1990s.

    First, I represented a very nice black security guard (call him John) arrested for assault while working the front desk of a high rise apartment building after a fire broke out on the 23rd floor. A resident had grown irate when John wouldn’t let him up to see if his wife and child supposedly in the apartment. During the argument, out came the n-word, and John was finished talking. Beating ensued.

    Second, I represented a wealthy Manhattan businessman (call him Jim) charged with aggravated disorderly conduct for using the N-word during an argument with another building security guard. This was right after the new hate speech rules had been implemented as aggravating factors for ordinary crimes like assault and DC.

    In the first case I relied on the N-word as a mitigating factor which should have justified John’s assault. In the second case, I argued that the hate law was unconstitutional, which I still believe to be true. Around that same time (late 1990s), the use of the N-word by blacks in rap music exploded and, in my view, was entirely inauthentic. Excessive use of the N-word was really a coverup. A symptom of rap music’s exhaustion as a musical form. Playing off the success of NWA and the Ghetto Boys, rappers had to double down on the putative power of violent black males. Gangsta rap encouraged nihilistic violence without any pretense of political significance, like the earlier songs of Public Enemy.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Jim Don Bob, @Altai

    Don’t keep us in suspense. Tell us how the cases turned out.

    My prediction is the the black guy got off, but the second guy did not because he was white.

  135. Murray shouldn’t have sent that excerpt to be published in The New Republic. The existence of race differences in intelligence, their possible causes and the implications thereof are absolutely essential issues for anyone wishing to understand modern American politics and society. However, they aren’t a central point for M&H in The Bell Curve, which both its fans and detractors often fail to understand. The Bell Curve is a great book, but it’s not a book about race and IQ. Fans who have actually read the book, e.g. Tucker Carlson, love to point this out, but it’s in fact a problem. This issue needed to be discussed, but The Bell Curve/Charles Murray wasn’t really the best exponent of hereditarianism and its political implication. (Funnily enough, Murray’s excellent recent book, Human Diversity, while cogently discussing both race and IQ’s relationship to class structure, also doesn’t discuss race differences in IQ much.)

    So, the fact that The Bell Curve and Charles Murray became the focal point of 1990s debates over Nature vs. Nurture with regard to race seems unfortunate to me. I think Michael Levin’s superb Why Race Matters, which was published in 1997 and builds on the foundation of The Bell Curve, would have been a much better Right Pole, in the sense Steve describes in the OP, than TBC/Murray. (In conjunction with Jared Taylor’s Paved With Good Intentions, though, as Steve has pointed out before, Dinesh D’Souza appropriated without attribution many of Taylor’s arguments in his more popular book The End of Racism.) Levin extensively and insightfully discusses both the social scientific evidence suggesting that genetics plays a role in racial inequality, and how that fact relates to various political controversies. Yet, curiously, Levin’s book, despite much more explicitly and forcefully taking a race realist perspective on both social science and politics than TBC, “fell deadborn from the press,” as Hume would have put it.

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    @Stolen Valor Detective

    Levin's book looks like a more forceful case ( I remember seeing in our local university library and skimming it for maybe ten minutes) but Levin is even more unpopular in academic circles than Herrnstein and Murray were. Levin's employer the City University of New York (CUNY) tried to get him fired for his writings even before that book came out I believe. People analogized it to the case of Leonard Jeffries, the black studies professor who came up the whole "ice people/sun people" dichotomy who also teaches in the same system. The difference is that Levin is actually considered a pretty sharp philosophy professor, whereas Jeffries is clearly a moron.

    Levin's book also came out three years later, the higher ups in the MSM had already decided by then that the monkey no hear, no see, and no speak rule applied to any books that followed in " The Bell Curve " tradition, the appropriate response was to completely ignore them. It's funny also that Murray still seems to hold out hope that he can convince people on the left to accept his views as rational, he seems like a libertarian true believer.

  136. @Dumbo

    his income has risen from less than $200,000 to around $500,000 as a result of the move.
     
    I'm genuinely surprised that someone like Sullivan can make that amount of money just by writing his stuff. Well I have never really read him or cared much about his opinions. Then again, I never follow any of these personalities and pundits. Except maybe for those here at Unz, and some very obscure bloggers.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @sayless, @Morton's toes, @Prester John, @AnotherDad

    And both Sullivan and Smith know about as much about genetics and evolutionary biology as I do–which is zilch!

  137. @res
    @Jane Plain

    Interpreting it as "I" is a big part of the problem. I don't find it offensive to me personally for someone to say that East Asians and Jews appear to have a higher average IQ than whites.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Meretricious

    the East Asian IQ advantage is quantitative, while verbal IQ is more civilizational.

  138. What, if anything, can be done to narrow this gap?

    Given the world’s scariest graph, what incentive is there for those on the top side of that gap to support any approach that enhances our ability to answer that question?

  139. It’s amazing how a dispassionate review of The Bell Curve from 1994 (!) is still being held against Mr. Sullivan, but his persistent avowal that Trig Palin is not Sarah Palin’s son has been memory-holed.

  140. My theory is that Obama owes his entire career to making a high score on the LSAT in 1997

    I wonder who took it for him?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @dee nile



    My theory is that Obama owes his entire career to making a high score on the LSAT in 1997
     
    I wonder who took it for him?
     
    You don’t win the presidency if you aren’t intelligent.
  141. So…… the biggest story of 2020 – CoronaHoax – and no post on that, Sailer? The hugest medical billing fraud in American history, a fraud to justify forcible disemployment of millions, to destroy livelihoods, all based on fraudulent recordkeeping, admitted to by the very perpetrators of the fraud: the CDC.

    I gotta imagine that falling for a blatant hoax must be embarassing. And I can only imagine…. Analyzing the data from Italy, I confidently proclaimed it a hoax in February.

    You, Unz, Lion blogger, even Vox Day all got punked but good by the CDC and the fakestream media. Own it, brother.

    CDC admits 94% of deaths attributed to BULLSHIT-2020 were fraudulent – they died of two or more preexisting fatal illnesses. A mere 6% had no known fatal illnesses. A hoax and a fraud.

    • Thanks: BenKenobi
    • Replies: @El Dato, @AKAHorace
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen


    So…… the biggest story of 2020 – CoronaHoax – and no post on that, Sailer? The hugest medical billing fraud in American history, a fraud to justify forcible disemployment of millions, to destroy livelihoods, all based on fraudulent recordkeeping, admitted to by the very perpetrators of the fraud: the CDC.
     
    I am not sure your comment belongs on a thread about the Bell curve. You sound if you are becoming a bit obsessed by this topic and there are plenty of other places to discuss it, including other threads that Steve has posted on Coronovirus.

    Also if Coronavirus was a fraud, it could not be the work of just the CDC. It would also mean that tens of health authorities around the world were in on it, the UK, China, Russia, France, Peru, Colombia....

    Doesn't this seem a bit unlikely ?
  142. “My theory is that Obama owes his entire career to making a high score on the LSAT in 1997…”

    Don’t you mean 1987 or a bit later? Wasn’t Obama at law school in the early 90s?

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce
    @Patrick in SC

    Correct. Obama started at HLS in 1988.

  143. Years ago, as BLACKS! began to move into my sister’s mid-Wisconsin small town, she would complain to me about their conduct. It really disturbed her (a lefty school teacher). What they did was irrational and stupid in her opinion.
    She is quite aware of my views on the subject and would constantly punctuate the conversations with statements such as “it can’t be race, it just can’t!” The very idea of such an explanation was totally intolerable to her; beyond consideration, not to be mentioned in polite company.
    So she remains perplexed and now, I think, conflicted, as BLACKS! continue to misbehave in her hometown, often violently.
    Such a quandary.

    • LOL: Bumpkin
  144. @Jane Plain
    Honest, non-troll question: does anyone here actually expect black people to say, "You know what, I really am intellectually inferior."

    Replies: @Bumpkin, @res, @Steve in Greensboro, @Anon, @Redman

    Why is that an important question? The real issue is whether or not woke white folk (who have more control over policy and impact on national culture) will continue to refuse to see the obvious. Hopefully the riots will red pill a few more.

    https://www.takimag.com/article/being-nice-to-black-people/

  145. @guest007
    Many never Trumpers have argued that they cannot support President Trump based upon his character. But it is ironic that they make this statement while sitting on the set of MSNBC and being seated next to Al Sharpton. Anyone who believes that character matters could never sit in the same room as Al Shaprton or Jesse Jackson. Yet, those never Trumpers do and never question the character or the past history of a document racist who has found culpable for slandering people just because they were white.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Chrisnonymous

    Jackson is basically a race hustler and a conman, what my late Grandmother would call a “scalawag.”

    In contrast, Sharpton has (metaphorical) blood on his hands…see Tawana Brawley, Freddie’s Fashion Mart, and the Crown Heights pogrom, for examples.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  146. @Buffalo Joe
    @Arclight

    Arc, or simply the the ability to recognize the accomplishments of others and try to emulate them. Of course this is pre-approbriations thought on my part.

    Replies: @Arclight

    Also true. Filipinos do well in America despite their homeland being something of an Asian backwater that has been conquered and occupied by a slew of other countries. But in the US, saying that perhaps blacks ought to copy their more successful citizens is considered an unforgivable slur against blackness/goodness.

  147. @The Alarmist
    @Not Only Wrathful

    How can you say this at a time when Wakanda (walk on da what?) has lost one of its greatest?

    Chadwick Boseman, RIP

    https://cdn.onlinenigeria.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/chadwick-boseman-world-pays-tributes-to-black-panther-actor-1.jpg?iv=156

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Charles St. Charles

    Chadwick Boseman, RIP

    “Everybody dies; it was his turn.”
    — Hondo Lane

  148. @res
    @MEH 0910

    Can't Lion see how trying to do that would throw gasoline on the fire of the "Trump is racist" accusations?

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    Lion is still suffering from CDS (Corona Derangement Syndrome). He recently endorsed Biden, prompting much kvetching among his commentariat.

  149. @Anonymous
    @Dumbo

    Taiibi also apparently thrives at this. 40$/month.

    Great writer.

    Takedown of D'Angelo is worth a read. Free everywhere.

    Replies: @vinteuil

    Matt Taibbi is about half way here.

    He’s a good writer.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    @vinteuil

    My father, who lived to 80 (car accident and two pack a day habit; hey, he went to RJ Reynolds High) and died in 2015, loved Taibbi’s stuff. I think they had Rolling Stone copies lying around at his barber. He was an old Blue Dog Dem.

  150. @eddy wobegon
    How can the left deny any biological or genetic differences between races while still claiming "diversity" differences exist?

    Is "diversity" a scam then?

    If we are inherently different based on diversity, why are we supposed to proportionately succeed due to "equity"?

    "We are inherently different, but should succeed as if we aren't different?" -- "Say what!"

    Replies: @Cortes

    Excellent! Thanks.

  151. @BB753
    @Steve Sailer

    Kind of suspicious, if you ask me.

    Replies: @indocon

    Exactly, I don’t buy color cancer at all. That’s one nasty disease, even a super humans would have a hard time taking treatment for it while at the same time acting as a superhero in a movie.

    • Agree: BB753
  152. Seriously, it should be obvious by 8/31/2020 that excluding The Bell Curve from the Overton Window of ideas that you are allowed to discuss out loud without getting cancelled has turned out to be a massive disaster for the country.

    Disaster for some. Iron rice bowl for others.

  153. Mr. Sullivan scrambled to set up a special account for the president.

    Cheapskate.

    Of course. He descends from long lines of Americans too cheap to hire white men. Interesting that his family moved to Hawaii, of all places. They seem to have a congenital aversion to their fellow whites.

    He’d be equally open to the view, I suggested, that data exploring genetics and its connection to intelligence would find that Black people are on average smarter than other groups.

    Well, they were slower than others to swallow the “marriage equality” ejaculation.

    So what does Mr. Sullivan believe about race? On his back porch looking over the bay…

    Haven’t we heard enough about Mr Milkyloads’ “back porch”?

    The flap reminded his colleagues and critics of Mr. Sullivan’s original sin…

    We sure don’t need to know his circumcisory status.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Reg Cæsar

    Interesting that his family moved to Hawaii, of all places. They seem to have a congenital aversion to their fellow whites.

    The Dunhams pulled up stakes whenever papa thought he'd have more opportunity in sales somewhere else. Decamping to Honolulu was another one of his larks. After about 1963, Madelyn was the primary earner in the household and middle age was setting in, hence remaining in Honolulu.

    BTW, I had collateral relatives in Honolulu from 1937 to 1987. There's an old colonial population there, but the haoles you meet are commonly people who fancied the climate more than they fancied where they grew up (or just wanted out from wherever they'd been before). If my own observation is representative, there's a lot of racial clustering in who people socialize with (or there was ca. 1975). If you're averse to whites, you've got a problem, because they're likely to be your best prospect for building friendships.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  154. How much of this gap is due to nature and how much to nurture?

    More to the point, how much of the gap due to nurture is due to nature? To the extent that man is his own environment, smarter people (both singularly and collectively) makes themselves smarter.

    • Agree: sayless
  155. @Steve Sailer
    @The Alarmist

    Wakanda isn't real, but making it seem kind of real while you are dying of cancer is impressive.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Mr McKenna, @Altai, @BB753, @Reg Cæsar

    Wakanda isn’t real…

    Wakanda is very real.

    It’s also very white– some of the adjacent block groups 100% so, according to the 2010 census.

    https://datausa.io/profile/geo/menomonie-wi#demographics

    http://www.energyjustice.net/justice/

  156. @Reg Cæsar


    Mr. Sullivan scrambled to set up a special account for the president.

     

    Cheapskate.
     
    Of course. He descends from long lines of Americans too cheap to hire white men. Interesting that his family moved to Hawaii, of all places. They seem to have a congenital aversion to their fellow whites.

    He’d be equally open to the view, I suggested, that data exploring genetics and its connection to intelligence would find that Black people are on average smarter than other groups.
     
    Well, they were slower than others to swallow the "marriage equality" ejaculation.

    So what does Mr. Sullivan believe about race? On his back porch looking over the bay...
     
    Haven't we heard enough about Mr Milkyloads' "back porch"?

    The flap reminded his colleagues and critics of Mr. Sullivan’s original sin...
     
    We sure don't need to know his circumcisory status.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Interesting that his family moved to Hawaii, of all places. They seem to have a congenital aversion to their fellow whites.

    The Dunhams pulled up stakes whenever papa thought he’d have more opportunity in sales somewhere else. Decamping to Honolulu was another one of his larks. After about 1963, Madelyn was the primary earner in the household and middle age was setting in, hence remaining in Honolulu.

    BTW, I had collateral relatives in Honolulu from 1937 to 1987. There’s an old colonial population there, but the haoles you meet are commonly people who fancied the climate more than they fancied where they grew up (or just wanted out from wherever they’d been before). If my own observation is representative, there’s a lot of racial clustering in who people socialize with (or there was ca. 1975). If you’re averse to whites, you’ve got a problem, because they’re likely to be your best prospect for building friendships.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Art Deco


    they’re likely to be your best prospect for building friendships.
     
    Why is that?
  157. @Art Deco
    @Reg Cæsar

    Interesting that his family moved to Hawaii, of all places. They seem to have a congenital aversion to their fellow whites.

    The Dunhams pulled up stakes whenever papa thought he'd have more opportunity in sales somewhere else. Decamping to Honolulu was another one of his larks. After about 1963, Madelyn was the primary earner in the household and middle age was setting in, hence remaining in Honolulu.

    BTW, I had collateral relatives in Honolulu from 1937 to 1987. There's an old colonial population there, but the haoles you meet are commonly people who fancied the climate more than they fancied where they grew up (or just wanted out from wherever they'd been before). If my own observation is representative, there's a lot of racial clustering in who people socialize with (or there was ca. 1975). If you're averse to whites, you've got a problem, because they're likely to be your best prospect for building friendships.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    they’re likely to be your best prospect for building friendships.

    Why is that?

  158. “My theory is that Obama owes his entire career to making a high score on the LSAT in 1997, …”
    Steve,
    That’s odd, I remember you saying in a post a few years ago that you couldn’t find a picture of Obama at Columbia that wasn’t fake. I can’t either. There’s no reason to take the LSAT with that kind of mojo behind you.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Sparkylyle92

    "That’s odd, I remember you saying in a post a few years ago that you couldn’t find a picture of Obama at Columbia that wasn’t fake."

    Really? Where?

  159. @syonredux
    @Altai

    Michael B Jordan's level of trap development is kinda suspicious. The traps are highly responsive to steroids.....





    https://images.hellogiggles.com/uploads/2018/05/08124539/mjb.png

    Replies: @Moses, @Altai, @A well-known secret

    Every action movie actor, black or white or other, sporting a physique like that since Schwarzenegger entered the fray in the 70s has used steroids to achieve it (compare e.g. De Niro in Raging Bull, where he actually looks like a real boxer). There’s no other way to make it, unless you have extraordinary genetics, and then again you still can’t lay on the couch all day.

    It’s easier for blacks to look like that, since they have on average less body fat, bulk up faster, and musculature is more visible when you have darker skin (which is why nonblack bodybuilders spend an inordinate amount of time in tanning salons).

  160. @Dumbo

    his income has risen from less than $200,000 to around $500,000 as a result of the move.
     
    I'm genuinely surprised that someone like Sullivan can make that amount of money just by writing his stuff. Well I have never really read him or cared much about his opinions. Then again, I never follow any of these personalities and pundits. Except maybe for those here at Unz, and some very obscure bloggers.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @sayless, @Morton's toes, @Prester John, @AnotherDad

    his income has risen from less than $200,000 to around $500,000 as a result of the move.

    I’m genuinely surprised that someone like Sullivan can make that amount of money just by writing his stuff. Well I have never really read him or cared much about his opinions. Then again, I never follow any of these personalities and pundits. Except maybe for those here at Unz, and some very obscure bloggers.

    Same thought. I can’t understand why anyone would pay to read Andrew Sullivan.

    I read his blog a bit 15-20 years ago during Bush 2, when someone or another else i was reading linked to it as worthwhile. His affect is struck me as pretty gay. Andrew is excited about some idea or another that’s popped into his head and now it’s the most important thing in the world! None of which were actually important.

    What’s actually important is never new fresh and exciting–and least of all gay.

    What’s actually important is the same old, same old–maintenance:

    Maintaining and improving the genetic and cultural reproduction of a civilization.

    That’s what’s been under attack the last 50+ in the US/the West by minoritarianism and the source of all our ills. And anyone saying anything important essentially has to be talking about that and attacking/debunking minoritarianism or they simply aren’t saying anything important at all.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @AnotherDad

    I wouldn't pay to read Sullivan because, unlike Steve, his ideas are rather shallow and obvious and his style isn't very clever. It's interesting to consider what people are paying for when they subscribe to people like Sullivan.

    Paying to know what to think, or at least paying to get talking points?

    It's interesting to consider that in the context of the rise of credentialism. Maybe you now have essentially a class of people who achieved academic success by learning to regurgitate the opinions of people in positions of intellectual authority, and they continue that mode in their careers and social life.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @AnotherDad

    Sullivan was one of the first bloggers (The Dish) I ever read, and it was there that I found the Derb because AS awarded the Derbyshire Award to those he disliked.

    http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2001/02/15/derbyshire-award/

  161. Of course “acceptable” conservatives will embrace him. Despite his support for blasphemous “marriage”, his insane conspiracy theorizing about Sarah Palin, and his 10+ year pro-Obama tongue bathing.

    The rest of us won’t forget this little foreign poof’s despicability , opportunism, and pathetic nature.

    I won’t lift a finger to defend him. Let the little homo die out side our city gates, begging to be let back in for the defenders he once castigated.

  162. @vinteuil
    @Anonymous

    Matt Taibbi is about half way here.

    He's a good writer.

    Replies: @hhsiii

    My father, who lived to 80 (car accident and two pack a day habit; hey, he went to RJ Reynolds High) and died in 2015, loved Taibbi’s stuff. I think they had Rolling Stone copies lying around at his barber. He was an old Blue Dog Dem.

  163. @guest007
    Many never Trumpers have argued that they cannot support President Trump based upon his character. But it is ironic that they make this statement while sitting on the set of MSNBC and being seated next to Al Sharpton. Anyone who believes that character matters could never sit in the same room as Al Shaprton or Jesse Jackson. Yet, those never Trumpers do and never question the character or the past history of a document racist who has found culpable for slandering people just because they were white.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Chrisnonymous

    It’s because when they say “character” they mean “manner”. It is an entirely class-based statement.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Chrisnonymous

    It has more to do than manner. President Trump is a narcissistic sociopath. That is why they cannot stand him. However, Al Sharpton fits the same description and they treat Sharpton like the next MLK.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

  164. The Zman has a similar essay today about the Left outright denying obvious reality.

    https://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=21159

  165. @Sparkylyle92
    "My theory is that Obama owes his entire career to making a high score on the LSAT in 1997, ..."
    Steve,
    That's odd, I remember you saying in a post a few years ago that you couldn't find a picture of Obama at Columbia that wasn't fake. I can't either. There's no reason to take the LSAT with that kind of mojo behind you.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    “That’s odd, I remember you saying in a post a few years ago that you couldn’t find a picture of Obama at Columbia that wasn’t fake.”

    Really? Where?

  166. @AnotherDad
    @Dumbo



    his income has risen from less than $200,000 to around $500,000 as a result of the move.
     
    I’m genuinely surprised that someone like Sullivan can make that amount of money just by writing his stuff. Well I have never really read him or cared much about his opinions. Then again, I never follow any of these personalities and pundits. Except maybe for those here at Unz, and some very obscure bloggers.
     
    Same thought. I can't understand why anyone would pay to read Andrew Sullivan.

    I read his blog a bit 15-20 years ago during Bush 2, when someone or another else i was reading linked to it as worthwhile. His affect is struck me as pretty gay. Andrew is excited about some idea or another that's popped into his head and now it's the most important thing in the world! None of which were actually important.

    What's actually important is never new fresh and exciting--and least of all gay.

    What's actually important is the same old, same old--maintenance:

    Maintaining and improving the genetic and cultural reproduction of a civilization.

    That's what's been under attack the last 50+ in the US/the West by minoritarianism and the source of all our ills. And anyone saying anything important essentially has to be talking about that and attacking/debunking minoritarianism or they simply aren't saying anything important at all.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Jim Don Bob

    I wouldn’t pay to read Sullivan because, unlike Steve, his ideas are rather shallow and obvious and his style isn’t very clever. It’s interesting to consider what people are paying for when they subscribe to people like Sullivan.

    Paying to know what to think, or at least paying to get talking points?

    It’s interesting to consider that in the context of the rise of credentialism. Maybe you now have essentially a class of people who achieved academic success by learning to regurgitate the opinions of people in positions of intellectual authority, and they continue that mode in their careers and social life.

  167. @El Dato
    @Mr McKenna

    What exactly does a "media columnist" do? It sounds like a piece of decoration found in an italianate mansion on both sides of a balcony.

    Replies: @Forbes, @Alden

    He’s the columnist who gets to write about media’s favorite subject–themselves.

    Smith is the navel-gazer-in-chief. A media narcissist above all other narcissists.

  168. @Mr McKenna

    Ben Smith is the media columnist. He joined The Times in 2020 after eight years as founding editor in chief of BuzzFeed News.
     
    Joined The Times when again? And from BuzzFeed? Have they ever published anything accurate--ever? Even by accident?

    Replies: @El Dato, @Forbes

    New media site BuzzFeed News was such a roaring success, Ben Smith had to take a wage-earning job with old media company NYT.

    Must be the party is over, as the venture capital guys have turned off the money spigot. Funding paychecks for a product that gets just a stale as day-old bread is not a business model.

  169. My theory is that Obama owes his entire career to making a high score on the LSAT in 1997

    Today, you aren’t supposed to mention fundamental facts about the realities of life in the United States, such as that blacks average lower in intelligence and higher in crime, and that probably explains racial “inequity” better than vaporing about Systemic Racism.

    You go to far when implying that black violence is a result of low black intelligence. It is more the other way about. The Russian fox experiment gave unambiguous results as to the line of causation running from genetic pacification to learning ability.

    The white elite are less violent that working class whites and more intelligent too. Does that mean we should listen to what the elite media are telling us?

  170. @Redman
    @Altai

    I’ve had the “pleasure” of representing defendants in criminal matters here in NY on both sides of the “nigger” question in the late 1990s.

    First, I represented a very nice black security guard (call him John) arrested for assault while working the front desk of a high rise apartment building after a fire broke out on the 23rd floor. A resident had grown irate when John wouldn’t let him up to see if his wife and child supposedly in the apartment. During the argument, out came the n-word, and John was finished talking. Beating ensued.

    Second, I represented a wealthy Manhattan businessman (call him Jim) charged with aggravated disorderly conduct for using the N-word during an argument with another building security guard. This was right after the new hate speech rules had been implemented as aggravating factors for ordinary crimes like assault and DC.

    In the first case I relied on the N-word as a mitigating factor which should have justified John’s assault. In the second case, I argued that the hate law was unconstitutional, which I still believe to be true. Around that same time (late 1990s), the use of the N-word by blacks in rap music exploded and, in my view, was entirely inauthentic. Excessive use of the N-word was really a coverup. A symptom of rap music’s exhaustion as a musical form. Playing off the success of NWA and the Ghetto Boys, rappers had to double down on the putative power of violent black males. Gangsta rap encouraged nihilistic violence without any pretense of political significance, like the earlier songs of Public Enemy.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Jim Don Bob, @Altai

    The Mosley story is the best since he was apparently the only black person in the room and also recounted the use of ‘paddy’ but wasn’t reported for that.

    “Earlier this year, I had just finished with the Snowfall writers’ room for the season when I took a similar job on a different show at a different network. I’d been in the new room for a few weeks when I got the call from human resources. A pleasant-sounding young man said, ‘Mr. Mosley, it has been reported that you used the n-word in the writers’ room,’” Mosley wrote in the Times. “I replied, ‘I am the N-word in the writers’ room.’”

    Mosley went on to explain that the individual in HR said that while he was free to use that word in a script, he “could not say it.” Mosley then clarified, “I hadn’t called anyone it. I just told a story about a cop who explained to me, on the streets of Los Angeles, that he stopped all n—ers in paddy neighborhoods and all paddies in n—er neighborhoods, because they were usually up to no good. I was telling a true story as I remembered it.”

    It’s just surreal in 2020 to have a word you can’t even speak to reference but is used all other in mainstream music, it’s insane. This doesn’t exist elsewhere, except in South Africa which is heavily influenced by American critical race theory and civil rights movement. There it’s the K-word but even there it seems silly.

  171. @dee nile

    My theory is that Obama owes his entire career to making a high score on the LSAT in 1997
     
    I wonder who took it for him?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    My theory is that Obama owes his entire career to making a high score on the LSAT in 1997

    I wonder who took it for him?

    You don’t win the presidency if you aren’t intelligent.

  172. @AnotherDad
    @Dumbo



    his income has risen from less than $200,000 to around $500,000 as a result of the move.
     
    I’m genuinely surprised that someone like Sullivan can make that amount of money just by writing his stuff. Well I have never really read him or cared much about his opinions. Then again, I never follow any of these personalities and pundits. Except maybe for those here at Unz, and some very obscure bloggers.
     
    Same thought. I can't understand why anyone would pay to read Andrew Sullivan.

    I read his blog a bit 15-20 years ago during Bush 2, when someone or another else i was reading linked to it as worthwhile. His affect is struck me as pretty gay. Andrew is excited about some idea or another that's popped into his head and now it's the most important thing in the world! None of which were actually important.

    What's actually important is never new fresh and exciting--and least of all gay.

    What's actually important is the same old, same old--maintenance:

    Maintaining and improving the genetic and cultural reproduction of a civilization.

    That's what's been under attack the last 50+ in the US/the West by minoritarianism and the source of all our ills. And anyone saying anything important essentially has to be talking about that and attacking/debunking minoritarianism or they simply aren't saying anything important at all.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Jim Don Bob

    Sullivan was one of the first bloggers (The Dish) I ever read, and it was there that I found the Derb because AS awarded the Derbyshire Award to those he disliked.

    http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2001/02/15/derbyshire-award/

  173. … I wish Mr. Sullivan would accept that the project of trying to link the biological fiction of race with the science of genetics ought, in fact, to be over.

  174. @Jim Don Bob
    @Foreign Expert

    Maybe Ben and Andy did a little bare backing.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    With a dozen other guys. It’s P-town, Jake.

  175. @Neo-Socratic
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Whatever happened to Glenn Beck?
     
    Glenn Beck had a chalkboard episode where he discussed the Frankfurt School, their move to America and the immense damage they've done. 9 of the 10 people he named were Jewish.

    Need I say more?

    The question surrounding that infamous episode is whether or not Beck knew that fact.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Yes, I do remember that, N-S. For a while there I watched every evening as a routine.

    … whether or not Beck knew that fact.

    is a good question. I assume you think he was told to “cease and desist”.

  176. @Stolen Valor Detective
    Murray shouldn't have sent that excerpt to be published in The New Republic. The existence of race differences in intelligence, their possible causes and the implications thereof are absolutely essential issues for anyone wishing to understand modern American politics and society. However, they aren't a central point for M&H in The Bell Curve, which both its fans and detractors often fail to understand. The Bell Curve is a great book, but it's not a book about race and IQ. Fans who have actually read the book, e.g. Tucker Carlson, love to point this out, but it's in fact a problem. This issue needed to be discussed, but The Bell Curve/Charles Murray wasn't really the best exponent of hereditarianism and its political implication. (Funnily enough, Murray's excellent recent book, Human Diversity, while cogently discussing both race and IQ's relationship to class structure, also doesn't discuss race differences in IQ much.)

    So, the fact that The Bell Curve and Charles Murray became the focal point of 1990s debates over Nature vs. Nurture with regard to race seems unfortunate to me. I think Michael Levin's superb Why Race Matters, which was published in 1997 and builds on the foundation of The Bell Curve, would have been a much better Right Pole, in the sense Steve describes in the OP, than TBC/Murray. (In conjunction with Jared Taylor's Paved With Good Intentions, though, as Steve has pointed out before, Dinesh D'Souza appropriated without attribution many of Taylor's arguments in his more popular book The End of Racism.) Levin extensively and insightfully discusses both the social scientific evidence suggesting that genetics plays a role in racial inequality, and how that fact relates to various political controversies. Yet, curiously, Levin's book, despite much more explicitly and forcefully taking a race realist perspective on both social science and politics than TBC, "fell deadborn from the press," as Hume would have put it.

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow

    Levin’s book looks like a more forceful case ( I remember seeing in our local university library and skimming it for maybe ten minutes) but Levin is even more unpopular in academic circles than Herrnstein and Murray were. Levin’s employer the City University of New York (CUNY) tried to get him fired for his writings even before that book came out I believe. People analogized it to the case of Leonard Jeffries, the black studies professor who came up the whole “ice people/sun people” dichotomy who also teaches in the same system. The difference is that Levin is actually considered a pretty sharp philosophy professor, whereas Jeffries is clearly a moron.

    Levin’s book also came out three years later, the higher ups in the MSM had already decided by then that the monkey no hear, no see, and no speak rule applied to any books that followed in ” The Bell Curve ” tradition, the appropriate response was to completely ignore them. It’s funny also that Murray still seems to hold out hope that he can convince people on the left to accept his views as rational, he seems like a libertarian true believer.

  177. @Chrisnonymous
    @guest007

    It's because when they say "character" they mean "manner". It is an entirely class-based statement.

    Replies: @guest007

    It has more to do than manner. President Trump is a narcissistic sociopath. That is why they cannot stand him. However, Al Sharpton fits the same description and they treat Sharpton like the next MLK.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @guest007

    Trump does have poor character, but that is not why they dislike him. His lies are an excuse to hate more, not the foundation of NeverTrumpism. The evidence for this is the fact that they didn't take his character into account during the 2-minute hates of the 2016 election, when Trump was a Nazi who was going to build Auschwall on the southern border. While we here on the Dissident Right were ringing our hands over whether Trump was a real immigration restrictionist or a manipulative liar, no one on the left said, "yeah, he's talking about a wall, but he doesn't believe in it, so meh."
    The left always finds reasons to hate Republican presidents, and they are frequently true but always disingenuous.

  178. @Nicholas Stix
    Ben Smith: "They claimed that I.Q. test results are in large part hereditary and reveal differences among races; it produced piles of scientific debunkings."

    There were no "scientific debunkings," not a one. Heaping contempt on real science is the furthest thing from a "scientific debunking."

    "Junk science": That's what racial socialists call real science.

    Ben Smith was one of the founders of a rag that, during his tenure, published the fake "dossier," after even the nyt refused to. That makes him one of the most crooked editors in journalistic history, and part of a criminal conspiracy to commit sedition.

    Replies: @Eagle Eye

    Ben Smith was one of the founders of a rag that, during his tenure, published the fake “dossier,” after even the nyt refused to.

    Ben Smith was hired to be the *front man for an NYT cutout operation used to publish disreputable material which could then be referenced in public “discourse.”

  179. Anonymous[353] • Disclaimer says:
    @Christopher Chantrill
    Lost in all the rhetoric is what I understand Herrnstein and Murray to be saying in The Bell Curve.

    The world is rewarding people with high IQs as work gets more intellectual and less muscular. Therefore people with low IQs really have a problem. If indeed, Blacks have consistently lower IQs than white brown and yellow people then this is a huge problem -- for Blacks and for the rest of us.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @John Johnson

    Lost in all the rhetoric is what I understand Herrnstein and Murray to be saying in The Bell Curve.

    The world is rewarding people with high IQs as work gets more intellectual and less muscular. Therefore people with low IQs really have a problem. If indeed, Blacks have consistently lower IQs than white brown and yellow people then this is a huge problem — for Blacks and for the rest of us.

    Blacks are proliferating. Whites are going extinct. The world rewards people with high IQs.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    @Anonymous

    The world doesn't "reward" anything, much less high IQ. But in a Darwinian view, reproduction is way more important than intelligence, and in that, currently blacks are surpassing whites by a large margin.

    Also, if there is less people with high IQ around, then work will simply revert to being "more muscular and less intellectual" (and more violence savagery around). It's not set in stone that things should always progress towards more technology, more development, etc.

  180. @John Johnson
    @Anonymous

    You wanna mess with someone’s mind?

    Challenge interracial marriage in the mildest terms

    Don't bother with mild terms.

    Ask if there are increased risk of poor birth outcome with mixed race children.

    It's been known for a long time.

    Interestingly the White male/Black female couple has even higher risk than White female/Black male.

    This is most likely because Black female bodies are not designed for White children.

    A lot of this data is kept from the public for obvious reasons.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Ask if there are increased risk of poor birth outcome with mixed race children.

    Such as what?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Anonymous

    Such as what?

    Low birth weight for starters which correlates with all kinds of other conditions.

    https://www.kidsdata.org/topic/302/low-birthweight-race/table#fmt=92&loc=2,127,347,1763,331,348,336,171,321,345,357,332,324,369,358,362,360,337,327,364,356,217,353,328,354,323,352,320,339,334,365,343,330,367,344,355,366,368,265,349,361,4,273,59,370,326,333,322,341,338,350,342,329,325,359,351,363,340,335&tf=88&ch=7,11,8,507,9,73

  181. @guest007
    @Chrisnonymous

    It has more to do than manner. President Trump is a narcissistic sociopath. That is why they cannot stand him. However, Al Sharpton fits the same description and they treat Sharpton like the next MLK.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    Trump does have poor character, but that is not why they dislike him. His lies are an excuse to hate more, not the foundation of NeverTrumpism. The evidence for this is the fact that they didn’t take his character into account during the 2-minute hates of the 2016 election, when Trump was a Nazi who was going to build Auschwall on the southern border. While we here on the Dissident Right were ringing our hands over whether Trump was a real immigration restrictionist or a manipulative liar, no one on the left said, “yeah, he’s talking about a wall, but he doesn’t believe in it, so meh.”
    The left always finds reasons to hate Republican presidents, and they are frequently true but always disingenuous.

  182. On topic:

    Author questions genetic research into gay gene… why do you even want to study that? Your curiosity proves your bad intent.

    Poor look for Unherd:

    https://unherd.com/2020/08/stop-searching-for-the-gay-gene/

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Chrisnonymous


    The response to Hamer’s study was largely that of horror. Alarmists said the discovery would be used to try to “cure” homosexuality, ignoring the fact that Freudians, fascists and supporters of eugenics alike have been trying to eradicate homosexuality for decades on the assumption that it was something that could be “fixed”.
     
    I have never heard Freudians and Fascists being lumped into the same group of Deplorables. So done.

    "Freudian Fascists have set fire to the building" - Something out of SciFi.
  183. @Christopher Chantrill
    Lost in all the rhetoric is what I understand Herrnstein and Murray to be saying in The Bell Curve.

    The world is rewarding people with high IQs as work gets more intellectual and less muscular. Therefore people with low IQs really have a problem. If indeed, Blacks have consistently lower IQs than white brown and yellow people then this is a huge problem -- for Blacks and for the rest of us.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @John Johnson

    The world is rewarding people with high IQs as work gets more intellectual and less muscular. Therefore people with low IQs really have a problem. If indeed, Blacks have consistently lower IQs than white brown and yellow people then this is a huge problem — for Blacks and for the rest of us.

    The world rewards? What does that mean? Paying smart people to solve problems in tiny offices while third worlders breed without care?

    Some third worlder has 5 kids while a female engineer in Western society works 60 hours and never sees the light of day.

    That’s the modern world.

    Conservatives cheers this as the “free market” while liberals think encouraging women into childless careers is progress.

    Meanwhile the world loses as third worlders still are not creating Wakanda or curing diseases. Where is Wakanda? Thought that was supposed to happen when Whites left Africa?

    Eventually the world will admit that this age of stupidity was based on lies and the “bad Whites” on the internet were right the whole time while billion dollar Universities were lying through their teeth.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @John Johnson


    Eventually the world will admit that this age of stupidity was based on lies and the “bad Whites” on the internet were right the whole time while billion dollar Universities were lying through their teeth.
     
    What were they lying about?

    Replies: @not a hacker

    , @Kratoklastes
    @John Johnson


    a female engineer in Western society works 60 hours and never sees the light of day.
     
    LOL... why would you worry about a thing that affects about 12 people? (Unless you're using 'engineer' to include people who design website UI/UX, in which case "works 60 hours" must be a reference to a month).

    Western women aren't 'not-breeding' because they're shoulder-to-the-wheel (and/or nose-to-the-grindstone) ... they're 'not-breeding' because they would rather have more than 1 holiday a year (somewhere nice)... and would rather not spend multiple years wiping the arse of, or cleaning up after, offspring.

    Anyone who's honest will admit that having kids introduces constraints on life that are not compensated by oxytocin when the little shits make baby-faces (or get an 'A' in middle-school).

    In its early days, MumsNet was quite brilliant - in that it had abundant case-studies where well-credentialed women bought into the hype, and it wasn't what it was cracked up to be. Recently it's become almost as bad as the Daily Mail "FeMail" section (or the "Don't Miss" sidebar, which is also celebrity-pap crap).

    For dummies, the oxytocin - largely from unmerited positive feedback simply for being pregnant[1] - have the same effect as Toxoplasma Gondii in rodents... it makes them do things that are disadvantageous to them, personally.

    In the last decade or so, governments have had the media promulgate a great lie in an attempt to make increased reproduction a priority for women above the bottom cognitive quartile. 'Yummy Mummy' shit in the Daily Mail and constant coocoo-ing over royal-parasite offspring; the rise of "As a mother..." as a statement implying expertise in everything... and so forth. Plus, dimwits are the target demographic for all advertising - because they're more gullible.

    Smart women are not stupid enough to fall for any of it - so what small uptick these campaigns cause in TFR, are still concetrated in the bottom half of the IQ/SES distribution.

    Low TFR in the West is an expression of preference: permitted significant control over their own fertility, it can be readily observed that educated, affluent Western women give their clear response: Fuck that for a lark.


    [1] I have never understood this idea that simply getting "up the stick" is praiseworthy. If society withheld that praise until the results were in, and women were only praised if they had produced and raised a child to be a productive adult... I would understand that. (In the same way: congratulating a student for being accepted into a university is stupid... congratulate them if they graduate well, because all other outcomes are a waste of everyone's time and money).

    Replies: @BB753

  184. @John Johnson
    @Christopher Chantrill

    The world is rewarding people with high IQs as work gets more intellectual and less muscular. Therefore people with low IQs really have a problem. If indeed, Blacks have consistently lower IQs than white brown and yellow people then this is a huge problem — for Blacks and for the rest of us.

    The world rewards? What does that mean? Paying smart people to solve problems in tiny offices while third worlders breed without care?

    Some third worlder has 5 kids while a female engineer in Western society works 60 hours and never sees the light of day.

    That's the modern world.

    Conservatives cheers this as the "free market" while liberals think encouraging women into childless careers is progress.

    Meanwhile the world loses as third worlders still are not creating Wakanda or curing diseases. Where is Wakanda? Thought that was supposed to happen when Whites left Africa?

    Eventually the world will admit that this age of stupidity was based on lies and the "bad Whites" on the internet were right the whole time while billion dollar Universities were lying through their teeth.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Kratoklastes

    Eventually the world will admit that this age of stupidity was based on lies and the “bad Whites” on the internet were right the whole time while billion dollar Universities were lying through their teeth.

    What were they lying about?

    • Replies: @not a hacker
    @Anonymous

    The availability of a decent-paying career where you don’t have to self-abase, and have some time to yourself.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  185. He finds himself now on the outside, most of all, because he cannot be talked out of views on race that most of his peers find abhorrent.

    What has finding a fact or a proposition abhorrent got to do with whether it is true or not?

    Surely this is figure outable by one’s early teens, that one stops forming opinions based on how congenial one finds them?

  186. @Chrisnonymous
    On topic:

    Author questions genetic research into gay gene... why do you even want to study that? Your curiosity proves your bad intent.

    Poor look for Unherd:

    https://unherd.com/2020/08/stop-searching-for-the-gay-gene/

    Replies: @El Dato

    The response to Hamer’s study was largely that of horror. Alarmists said the discovery would be used to try to “cure” homosexuality, ignoring the fact that Freudians, fascists and supporters of eugenics alike have been trying to eradicate homosexuality for decades on the assumption that it was something that could be “fixed”.

    I have never heard Freudians and Fascists being lumped into the same group of Deplorables. So done.

    “Freudian Fascists have set fire to the building” – Something out of SciFi.

    • LOL: sayless
  187. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    So...... the biggest story of 2020 - CoronaHoax - and no post on that, Sailer? The hugest medical billing fraud in American history, a fraud to justify forcible disemployment of millions, to destroy livelihoods, all based on fraudulent recordkeeping, admitted to by the very perpetrators of the fraud: the CDC.

    I gotta imagine that falling for a blatant hoax must be embarassing. And I can only imagine.... Analyzing the data from Italy, I confidently proclaimed it a hoax in February.

    You, Unz, Lion blogger, even Vox Day all got punked but good by the CDC and the fakestream media. Own it, brother.

    CDC admits 94% of deaths attributed to BULLSHIT-2020 were fraudulent - they died of two or more preexisting fatal illnesses. A mere 6% had no known fatal illnesses. A hoax and a fraud.

    Replies: @El Dato, @AKAHorace

  188. @Dumbo
    @sayless

    In Wikipedia Brendan Eich is described as:


    Known for
    JavaScript, opposition to same-sex marriage[1][2][3]
     
    As if both had the same importance... Yes, Buchanan seems like a fundamentally good guy who would do that. Unlike the majority of politicians who just follow the way the wind is blowing.

    Replies: @El Dato

    As if both had the same importance…

    I agree. JavaScript is a bad language that should never have existed as is. A non-homoiconic Scheme just to get a C-style ‘{}’ into the text with bad kludges on the side to pretend Object-Orientation is baked in is not a win.

    • LOL: Dumbo
  189. @Anonymous
    @Christopher Chantrill


    Lost in all the rhetoric is what I understand Herrnstein and Murray to be saying in The Bell Curve.

    The world is rewarding people with high IQs as work gets more intellectual and less muscular. Therefore people with low IQs really have a problem. If indeed, Blacks have consistently lower IQs than white brown and yellow people then this is a huge problem — for Blacks and for the rest of us.
     
    Blacks are proliferating. Whites are going extinct. The world rewards people with high IQs.

    Replies: @Dumbo

    The world doesn’t “reward” anything, much less high IQ. But in a Darwinian view, reproduction is way more important than intelligence, and in that, currently blacks are surpassing whites by a large margin.

    Also, if there is less people with high IQ around, then work will simply revert to being “more muscular and less intellectual” (and more violence savagery around). It’s not set in stone that things should always progress towards more technology, more development, etc.

    • Agree: BB753
  190. @El Dato
    @Clyde

    YEP. Ireland was occupied by Africans, but they had to leave briefly during the Potato Famine but now are coming back to claim what is rightfully theirs.

    Meanwhile, Anti-Jesus activist Shaun King won't stand back:

    Liberal activist accused of using ‘Black Panther’ star Chadwick Boseman’s death to help sell his book


    King found himself trending on Twitter, after screenshots of an email began making the rounds – one in which the author simultaneously reflected on the death of 43-year-old Boseman while also selling his book ‘Make Change’.

    “I hope you are hanging in there. Yesterday I sent an email checking in on everybody – and just a few hours later we learned of the death of Chadwick Boseman. Life is so very fragile. Tomorrow is not promised,” he wrote, before jumping right into talking about Black Lives Matter and his book, which chronicles his work with the movement and in social justice reform.

    “Everywhere I go, people ask me, ‘Shaun, how do I actually use my life, my skills, my time, my energy to impact and change the world?' My book, ‘Make Change’, is a 272-page answer to that question,” he wrote.
     

    "This actually happened"

    Make Change more like Make Cash, Neighbour!.

    Now that M. Boseman is quickly becoming the new fetish that shows that the Road to Wakanda is real, I nominate HAL-9000 as the perfect symbol of the Biden-Kamala ticket. HAL-9000 has everything: Neurotic, on the search of a Black Icon, foolproof and incapable of error, kills everyone, then sings "Daisy Daisy".

    Replies: @Clyde

    I like your flights of fancy riffing there! Meanwhile Talcum X remains a disgusting fraud who is a BLM leader. So they say. He seems to make decent money doing whatever he does. When are some real blacks with some decent melanin count going to boot him out? As they say — One of life’s enduring mysteries.

    BLM Leader Shaun King Endorses ‘Mayhem’ In America To …
    https://www.teaparty.org/blm-leader-shaun-king…
    Aug 25, 2020 · — Shaun King (@shaunking) August 24, 2020. This is not the first time that King has endorsed violence to promote his political goals. Big League Politics reported last year on how King cheered on domestic terrorist Willem Van Spronsen, who died attacking an ICE facility and released a pro-ANTIFA manifesto:

  191. @Patrick in SC

    "My theory is that Obama owes his entire career to making a high score on the LSAT in 1997..."
     
    Don't you mean 1987 or a bit later? Wasn't Obama at law school in the early 90s?

    Replies: @Percy Gryce

    Correct. Obama started at HLS in 1988.

  192. I have always been amazed by the certainty of the journalists in the MSM that there is no such thing as race and that intelligence differences cannot possibly have a genetic basis.

    How many journalists writing about these issues know the difference between phenotype and genotype and understand the concept of heritability?

    How many understand the difference between a nucleic acid and a protein?

    The genetics of intelligence and the evolution of human behavior are incredibly complicated subjects that should not be approached so confidently by those who clearly lack the requisite knowledge to do so.

    Not too often are journalists questioning the foundation of string theory or musing on the significance of dark matter.

    But for some reason biology does not scare them off and they all seem to think of themselves as knowledgeable experts in the field of intelligence research.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @lavoisier

    Because journalists believe, or are told to believe, that biology does not apply to the brain and cognitive functions.

    , @anon
    @lavoisier

    I have always been amazed by the certainty of the journalists in the MSM that there is no such thing as race and that intelligence differences cannot possibly have a genetic basis

    That makes them creationists using a faith-based interpretation of science.
    Tell a libtard he / she / xie / it is a "creationist" and cause some pretty amusing reax.

    But anyone who F'ing Loves Science and is totally sold on evolution who also insists that it stops....stops...at the neck is really a creationist and nothing else.

    By the way, these people are stupid. Have you noticed? Yeah, they are stupid. I wonder how many J-school profs have ever tried to help out a prince from Lagos? They are that stupid.

  193. @El Dato
    @Mr McKenna

    What exactly does a "media columnist" do? It sounds like a piece of decoration found in an italianate mansion on both sides of a balcony.

    Replies: @Forbes, @Alden

    What is it, Ionic, Doric, Corinthian and Media columns?? A media columnist reads columns and articles in his own newspaper and writes about them. Strange how people make a living nowadays.

  194. @Kent Nationalist

    He’d be equally open to the view, I suggested, that data exploring genetics and its connection to intelligence would find that Black people are on average smarter than other groups.

     

    Had the author who wrote this just escaped from some sort of institution for the clinically retarded? Or is 'Ben Smith' the pseudonym of a particularly earnest 14 year old girl?

    Replies: @bigdicknick, @res, @Gary5555

    The author of that New York Times article, Ben Smith, is so intellectually dishonest. Has anyone in the history of mankind other than perhaps a crazy black supremacist, ever made the claim that blacks are smarter, on average, than other groups?? Unless the “other groups” are people with Down’s Syndrome, who would ever believe such an absurd claim?

    • LOL: BB753
  195. @lavoisier
    I have always been amazed by the certainty of the journalists in the MSM that there is no such thing as race and that intelligence differences cannot possibly have a genetic basis.

    How many journalists writing about these issues know the difference between phenotype and genotype and understand the concept of heritability?

    How many understand the difference between a nucleic acid and a protein?

    The genetics of intelligence and the evolution of human behavior are incredibly complicated subjects that should not be approached so confidently by those who clearly lack the requisite knowledge to do so.

    Not too often are journalists questioning the foundation of string theory or musing on the significance of dark matter.

    But for some reason biology does not scare them off and they all seem to think of themselves as knowledgeable experts in the field of intelligence research.

    Replies: @BB753, @anon

    Because journalists believe, or are told to believe, that biology does not apply to the brain and cognitive functions.

  196. @John Johnson
    @Art Deco

    The problem is one of security: (1) street crime and (2) the haphazard construction of the social safety net. Also, the way the school system, welfare system, and labor market are set up means wretched malinvestment in skill development, so blacks are not getting the most one could out of time in formal schooling

    The problem is the way the school system is setup? Teachers have behavioral problems with Black kids well before they are at the age of skill development.

    Liberals and egalitarians have told us that:
    Black kids need White teachers
    Black kids need to be in White schools
    Black kids need to be in Black schools
    Black kids need to be in White schools but with Black teachers
    Black kids need to be in Black schools with Black teachers

    Why can they not get their strategy correct? Why are we spending billions on higher ed when liberals with PHds in education have not gotten this right since the days of abolition?

    You can even go back and find egalitarians in the 1940s talking about completely taking Black kids out of their environment which is what some liberals discuss today. A new liberal trend is to turn the school into the main home. I read an article from a liberal in education that is currently proposing we feed them dinner....in school. Some schools in Chicago are adding laundry facilities.

    It's only a matter of time before liberals propose year round boarding schools on the same old assumption that race doesn't exist so there must be bugaboo bad spirits in the environment making inequality. So the answer must be to completely pull them from their environment, which means liberals don't trust Black parents to raise their children and want the state to do it. What happens if that doesnt' work?

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Yes, the problem with the way school systems are set up.

    1. Incorrigibles are not sequestered.

    2. Schools are not in session for 1/3 of the time, as if the youths had farm work to perform

    3. Elementary schools are resistant to proper tracking

    4. Elementary school curricula commonly lack focus, leaving youths at age 14 without secure skills in arithmetic or in speaking and writing in grammatical English. Nor do they have in their heads a simple timeline of American history, or a map of the country, or a schema of the architecture of government.

    5. The default mode of secondary schooling in this country is half-assed academic instruction in lieu of sorting students into academic, vocational, and basic tracks.

    6. A hypertrophied system of tertiary schooling has been constructed in lieu of repairing secondary schooling.

    7. Tertiary schooling suffers from bloat of every kind, most notably the distribution requirements which remain there in a bad imitation of long-gone core curricula.

  197. anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @lavoisier
    I have always been amazed by the certainty of the journalists in the MSM that there is no such thing as race and that intelligence differences cannot possibly have a genetic basis.

    How many journalists writing about these issues know the difference between phenotype and genotype and understand the concept of heritability?

    How many understand the difference between a nucleic acid and a protein?

    The genetics of intelligence and the evolution of human behavior are incredibly complicated subjects that should not be approached so confidently by those who clearly lack the requisite knowledge to do so.

    Not too often are journalists questioning the foundation of string theory or musing on the significance of dark matter.

    But for some reason biology does not scare them off and they all seem to think of themselves as knowledgeable experts in the field of intelligence research.

    Replies: @BB753, @anon

    I have always been amazed by the certainty of the journalists in the MSM that there is no such thing as race and that intelligence differences cannot possibly have a genetic basis

    That makes them creationists using a faith-based interpretation of science.
    Tell a libtard he / she / xie / it is a “creationist” and cause some pretty amusing reax.

    But anyone who F’ing Loves Science and is totally sold on evolution who also insists that it stops….stops…at the neck is really a creationist and nothing else.

    By the way, these people are stupid. Have you noticed? Yeah, they are stupid. I wonder how many J-school profs have ever tried to help out a prince from Lagos? They are that stupid.

  198. • Replies: @anon
    @MEH 0910

    Lol @ Andy Sullivan. Loves to dish it out, but can't take his own medicine.

    Typical libtard.

  199. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/sullydish/status/1300851676988018690

    https://twitter.com/sullydish/status/1300879820390309893

    https://twitter.com/sullydish/status/1300880166613385217

    Replies: @anon

    Lol @ Andy Sullivan. Loves to dish it out, but can’t take his own medicine.

    Typical libtard.

  200. @Meretricious
    Barack Obama, writing in the Harvard Law Record:

    "I must[sic] say, however, that as someone who has undoubtedly[you got that right, lightweight] benefited from affirmative action programs during[read ENTIRE] my academic career, and as someone who may[may? LOL] have benefited from the Law Review's affirmative action policy when I was selected to join the Review last year, I have not personally[sic] felt[sic] stigmatized[where's the comma, genius?] either within the broader law school community or as a staff member of the Review."

    Steve, if Obama had high LSAT scores do you think he would have confessed this? And why is he hiding his so-called magna cum laude transcripts? Could it be he was taking gut courses from the likes of Derrick Bell? Notice the redundancy in his writing? A mediocrity through and through. There is no CREDIBLE evidence that this mulatto mediocrity ever showed any semblance of brilliance. Even his speeches are manifestations of a 3d-rate intellect

    Replies: @sayless

    Maybe one reason that the Lightworker never Personally Felt Stigmatized is because the other people at the HLR, being nimble-witted and forward-looking, estimated what it might cost them if this moron ever Did So Feel.

    No one remembers him at Columbia. No one remembers him at the University of Chicago. Does anyone remember him from Harvard?

    I’ve read speculation that the reason no one remembers him at Chicago is because he knew he was so outgunned intellectually that he just delivered his lectures and cleared out before anyone had a chance to talk to him.

    Wayne Allen Root was at Columbia, graduated the same year, 1983. He was pre-law, like Obama. He majored in political science, like Obama.

    Root decided to run for the presidency, can’t remember if it was 2008 or 2012. A historical first! Classmates running against one another, same major, same graduation year!

    He was interviewed many times over the course of the campaign: What was Obama like? He would answer, I don’t know, I never met him. I never heard of him. And no one I knew there ever met him or heard of him either.

    For his pains, Root was body-slammed by the IRS for a couple of years, once The One had assumed power, or reassumed it.

    Trump, being a self-described Vindictive Bastard, perhaps will order the release of Obama’s academic records.

    That would be a bit of a consolation for what that creature did to this country.

  201. @John Johnson
    @Christopher Chantrill

    The world is rewarding people with high IQs as work gets more intellectual and less muscular. Therefore people with low IQs really have a problem. If indeed, Blacks have consistently lower IQs than white brown and yellow people then this is a huge problem — for Blacks and for the rest of us.

    The world rewards? What does that mean? Paying smart people to solve problems in tiny offices while third worlders breed without care?

    Some third worlder has 5 kids while a female engineer in Western society works 60 hours and never sees the light of day.

    That's the modern world.

    Conservatives cheers this as the "free market" while liberals think encouraging women into childless careers is progress.

    Meanwhile the world loses as third worlders still are not creating Wakanda or curing diseases. Where is Wakanda? Thought that was supposed to happen when Whites left Africa?

    Eventually the world will admit that this age of stupidity was based on lies and the "bad Whites" on the internet were right the whole time while billion dollar Universities were lying through their teeth.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Kratoklastes

    a female engineer in Western society works 60 hours and never sees the light of day.

    LOL… why would you worry about a thing that affects about 12 people? (Unless you’re using ‘engineer’ to include people who design website UI/UX, in which case “works 60 hours” must be a reference to a month).

    Western women aren’t ‘not-breeding‘ because they’re shoulder-to-the-wheel (and/or nose-to-the-grindstone) … they’re ‘not-breeding‘ because they would rather have more than 1 holiday a year (somewhere nice)… and would rather not spend multiple years wiping the arse of, or cleaning up after, offspring.

    Anyone who’s honest will admit that having kids introduces constraints on life that are not compensated by oxytocin when the little shits make baby-faces (or get an ‘A’ in middle-school).

    In its early days, MumsNet was quite brilliant – in that it had abundant case-studies where well-credentialed women bought into the hype, and it wasn’t what it was cracked up to be. Recently it’s become almost as bad as the Daily Mail “FeMail” section (or the “Don’t Miss” sidebar, which is also celebrity-pap crap).

    For dummies, the oxytocin – largely from unmerited positive feedback simply for being pregnant[1] – have the same effect as Toxoplasma Gondii in rodents… it makes them do things that are disadvantageous to them, personally.

    In the last decade or so, governments have had the media promulgate a great lie in an attempt to make increased reproduction a priority for women above the bottom cognitive quartile. ‘Yummy Mummy’ shit in the Daily Mail and constant coocoo-ing over royal-parasite offspring; the rise of “As a mother…” as a statement implying expertise in everything… and so forth. Plus, dimwits are the target demographic for all advertising – because they’re more gullible.

    Smart women are not stupid enough to fall for any of it – so what small uptick these campaigns cause in TFR, are still concetrated in the bottom half of the IQ/SES distribution.

    Low TFR in the West is an expression of preference: permitted significant control over their own fertility, it can be readily observed that educated, affluent Western women give their clear response: Fuck that for a lark.

    [1] I have never understood this idea that simply getting “up the stick” is praiseworthy. If society withheld that praise until the results were in, and women were only praised if they had produced and raised a child to be a productive adult… I would understand that. (In the same way: congratulating a student for being accepted into a university is stupid… congratulate them if they graduate well, because all other outcomes are a waste of everyone’s time and money).

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Kratoklastes

    By definition, women who do not reproduce and raise their own kids are not smart. They're failures in the biological sense that they fail to pass on their genes. They're even dumber than the fertile cats spinsters are so fond of.

    Replies: @anon

  202. @Anonymous
    @John Johnson


    Eventually the world will admit that this age of stupidity was based on lies and the “bad Whites” on the internet were right the whole time while billion dollar Universities were lying through their teeth.
     
    What were they lying about?

    Replies: @not a hacker

    The availability of a decent-paying career where you don’t have to self-abase, and have some time to yourself.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @not a hacker




    Eventually the world will admit that this age of stupidity was based on lies and the “bad Whites” on the internet were right the whole time while billion dollar Universities were lying through their teeth.
     
    What were they lying about?
     
    The availability of a decent-paying career where you don’t have to self-abase, and have some time to yourself.
     
    I suspect there is more to it than that.
  203. Anonymous[353] • Disclaimer says:
    @not a hacker
    @Anonymous

    The availability of a decent-paying career where you don’t have to self-abase, and have some time to yourself.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Eventually the world will admit that this age of stupidity was based on lies and the “bad Whites” on the internet were right the whole time while billion dollar Universities were lying through their teeth.

    What were they lying about?

    The availability of a decent-paying career where you don’t have to self-abase, and have some time to yourself.

    I suspect there is more to it than that.

  204. @Kratoklastes
    @John Johnson


    a female engineer in Western society works 60 hours and never sees the light of day.
     
    LOL... why would you worry about a thing that affects about 12 people? (Unless you're using 'engineer' to include people who design website UI/UX, in which case "works 60 hours" must be a reference to a month).

    Western women aren't 'not-breeding' because they're shoulder-to-the-wheel (and/or nose-to-the-grindstone) ... they're 'not-breeding' because they would rather have more than 1 holiday a year (somewhere nice)... and would rather not spend multiple years wiping the arse of, or cleaning up after, offspring.

    Anyone who's honest will admit that having kids introduces constraints on life that are not compensated by oxytocin when the little shits make baby-faces (or get an 'A' in middle-school).

    In its early days, MumsNet was quite brilliant - in that it had abundant case-studies where well-credentialed women bought into the hype, and it wasn't what it was cracked up to be. Recently it's become almost as bad as the Daily Mail "FeMail" section (or the "Don't Miss" sidebar, which is also celebrity-pap crap).

    For dummies, the oxytocin - largely from unmerited positive feedback simply for being pregnant[1] - have the same effect as Toxoplasma Gondii in rodents... it makes them do things that are disadvantageous to them, personally.

    In the last decade or so, governments have had the media promulgate a great lie in an attempt to make increased reproduction a priority for women above the bottom cognitive quartile. 'Yummy Mummy' shit in the Daily Mail and constant coocoo-ing over royal-parasite offspring; the rise of "As a mother..." as a statement implying expertise in everything... and so forth. Plus, dimwits are the target demographic for all advertising - because they're more gullible.

    Smart women are not stupid enough to fall for any of it - so what small uptick these campaigns cause in TFR, are still concetrated in the bottom half of the IQ/SES distribution.

    Low TFR in the West is an expression of preference: permitted significant control over their own fertility, it can be readily observed that educated, affluent Western women give their clear response: Fuck that for a lark.


    [1] I have never understood this idea that simply getting "up the stick" is praiseworthy. If society withheld that praise until the results were in, and women were only praised if they had produced and raised a child to be a productive adult... I would understand that. (In the same way: congratulating a student for being accepted into a university is stupid... congratulate them if they graduate well, because all other outcomes are a waste of everyone's time and money).

    Replies: @BB753

    By definition, women who do not reproduce and raise their own kids are not smart. They’re failures in the biological sense that they fail to pass on their genes. They’re even dumber than the fertile cats spinsters are so fond of.

    • Replies: @anon
    @BB753

    By definition, women who do not reproduce and raise their own kids are not smart.

    Ok. By definition, nuns are not smart.

    Are you sure?

    Replies: @BB753

  205. @BB753
    @Kratoklastes

    By definition, women who do not reproduce and raise their own kids are not smart. They're failures in the biological sense that they fail to pass on their genes. They're even dumber than the fertile cats spinsters are so fond of.

    Replies: @anon

    By definition, women who do not reproduce and raise their own kids are not smart.

    Ok. By definition, nuns are not smart.

    Are you sure?

    • Replies: @BB753
    @anon

    Yeah, most nuns are as dumb as bricks. Nunneries originally were meant for old maidens, ugly unmarriable women, wayward women, orphans, etc. The rejects of female society. Better to be a nun than a prostitute.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  206. Thanks for the interesting link to Obama on genes.

    First he sets up a straw man, the idea that black people’s genes are qualitatively different from white people’s rather than the same genes in different quantities:

    The idea that inferior genes account for the problems of the poor in general, and blacks in particular

    Then he shares liberal enlightenment: blacks and whites have much the same genes.

    genes don’t vary much from one race to another

    Or is it not a straw man? Can it be that this is how he actually sees the matter, that he does not know that traits like height, colour and very probably intelligence vary because different people have a large number of genes for those traits in different proportions?

  207. @anon
    @BB753

    By definition, women who do not reproduce and raise their own kids are not smart.

    Ok. By definition, nuns are not smart.

    Are you sure?

    Replies: @BB753

    Yeah, most nuns are as dumb as bricks. Nunneries originally were meant for old maidens, ugly unmarriable women, wayward women, orphans, etc. The rejects of female society. Better to be a nun than a prostitute.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @BB753

    Thanks for the issue of your imagination. Always an education.

    Replies: @BB753

  208. What if the racial IQ gap is actually fine and we don’t need to do anything about it?
    What if those of lower IQ are in fact still human beings entitled to full dignity, and (mainly) still capable of contributing to society?

    • Replies: @Charles St. Charles
    @Alrenous


    What if those of lower IQ are in fact still human beings entitled to full dignity, and (mainly) still capable of contributing to society?
     
    We used to have tens of millions of stable jobs for dependable hard-working people of modest intelligence, jobs that paid enough to raise a family. But we sent most of those jobs somewhere else.
  209. @BB753
    @anon

    Yeah, most nuns are as dumb as bricks. Nunneries originally were meant for old maidens, ugly unmarriable women, wayward women, orphans, etc. The rejects of female society. Better to be a nun than a prostitute.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Thanks for the issue of your imagination. Always an education.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Art Deco

    You're welcome, lol! Monks on the other hand can be very bright. Please follow this link to further your education :
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Philokalia

  210. @Art Deco
    @BB753

    Thanks for the issue of your imagination. Always an education.

    Replies: @BB753

    You’re welcome, lol! Monks on the other hand can be very bright. Please follow this link to further your education :
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Philokalia

  211. @anon
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Our Black Fathers, who art in America
    hallowed be thy Name,
    thy kingdom come,
    thy will be done,
    on earth as it is in Africa

    Give us this day our daily lectures
    And forgive us our micro aggressions
    as we forgive those
    who rape and murder us.

    And lead us not into racism,
    but deliver us from privilege

    For thine is the kingdom,
    and the power, and the glory,
    for ever and ever. Amen.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    I found this spiritual deep in my archives. Enjoy.

    Come all of you pro-whites
    Good news to you I’ll yell
    Of how human biodiversity
    Was borne from William Tell

    Which side are you on?
    Which side are you on?
    The white side

    I cannot tell a lie
    ‘Bout non-white IQ and violence rates
    I’ll just stick to makin’ up facts
    And leave the rest to fate

    Which side are you on?
    Which side are you on?
    The white side

    They say the race war is coming
    They’ll be no neutrals here
    You’ll either for genocide
    Or stringin’ up anti-whites in fear

    Which side are you on?
    Which side are you on?
    The white side

  212. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/LionBlogosphere/status/1300473719035437057

    Replies: @res, @anon, @MEH 0910

  213. @Alrenous
    What if the racial IQ gap is actually fine and we don't need to do anything about it?
    What if those of lower IQ are in fact still human beings entitled to full dignity, and (mainly) still capable of contributing to society?

    Replies: @Charles St. Charles

    What if those of lower IQ are in fact still human beings entitled to full dignity, and (mainly) still capable of contributing to society?

    We used to have tens of millions of stable jobs for dependable hard-working people of modest intelligence, jobs that paid enough to raise a family. But we sent most of those jobs somewhere else.

  214. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    So...... the biggest story of 2020 - CoronaHoax - and no post on that, Sailer? The hugest medical billing fraud in American history, a fraud to justify forcible disemployment of millions, to destroy livelihoods, all based on fraudulent recordkeeping, admitted to by the very perpetrators of the fraud: the CDC.

    I gotta imagine that falling for a blatant hoax must be embarassing. And I can only imagine.... Analyzing the data from Italy, I confidently proclaimed it a hoax in February.

    You, Unz, Lion blogger, even Vox Day all got punked but good by the CDC and the fakestream media. Own it, brother.

    CDC admits 94% of deaths attributed to BULLSHIT-2020 were fraudulent - they died of two or more preexisting fatal illnesses. A mere 6% had no known fatal illnesses. A hoax and a fraud.

    Replies: @El Dato, @AKAHorace

    So…… the biggest story of 2020 – CoronaHoax – and no post on that, Sailer? The hugest medical billing fraud in American history, a fraud to justify forcible disemployment of millions, to destroy livelihoods, all based on fraudulent recordkeeping, admitted to by the very perpetrators of the fraud: the CDC.

    I am not sure your comment belongs on a thread about the Bell curve. You sound if you are becoming a bit obsessed by this topic and there are plenty of other places to discuss it, including other threads that Steve has posted on Coronovirus.

    Also if Coronavirus was a fraud, it could not be the work of just the CDC. It would also mean that tens of health authorities around the world were in on it, the UK, China, Russia, France, Peru, Colombia….

    Doesn’t this seem a bit unlikely ?


  215. [MORE]

    The reason for the left’s pathological distrust of the genetics of intelligence, of course, is about groups. Many legitimately worry that because there are real differences between some crudely defined racial groups, intelligence genetics must be inherently racist, and thereby should remain a forbidden topic. Freddie is risking cancellation by even mentioning it. But he insists that the heritability of intelligence is for individuals, not groups: “it is perfectly consistent to believe that the difference between individual students is largely genetic while the difference between racial groups is not.” And indeed it is.

    So why is the difference between these “racial” groups so great and seemingly stable, even if there is more variability within any such group than between any? Freddie notes that “if the average white student sits at 50 percent of all students at a given academic task, the average black student lies somewhere between 15 and 30 percent,” which is not a minor difference. DeBoer doesn’t explain it as a factor of class — he notes the IQ racial gap persists even when removing socio-economic status from the equation. Nor does he ascribe it to differences in family structure — because parenting is not that important. He cites rather exposure to lead, greater disciplinary punishment for black kids, the higher likelihood of being arrested, the stress of living in a crime-dominated environment, the deep and deadening psychological toll of pervasive racism, and so on: “white supremacy touches on so many aspects of American life that it’s irresponsible to believe we have adequately controlled for it in our investigations of the racial achievement gap.”

    He is emphatic on this, as well he might be, inveighing against pernicious “race scientists” whose genetic reductionism he says is indistinguishable from racism. But he is almost as withering about those “well-meaning but misguided people who dismiss the importance of genetics out of hand, who associate any discussion of the heritability of behavioral traits with the worst elements of eugenics and colonialism, and who make grandiose claims about a scientific literature they have never read.”

    He has, in fact, read some of it, and notes that the genetic origins of intelligence are increasingly indisputable: “a major study utilizing a data set of thousands of test subjects revealed 52 varieties in genotype that were associated with differences in intelligence.” And he wants to end the left’s taboo: “through grappling with the data, we can craft better arguments against those who would misuse it to advance their racist and sexist agendas. Or we can ignore the data, dismiss the subject entirely, cede the field to the worst people imaginable and suffer the consequences.”

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