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From the New York Times opinion page:

America May Need International Intervention

Even Democrats may find it hard to imagine, but the “leader of the free world” would benefit from United Nations oversight.

By Peter Beinart
Contributing Opinion Writer

Oct. 6, 2020

President Trump at the United Nations in 2017. If Mr. Trump refused to accept the election results, Joe Biden may need to appeal to international watchdogs.

… For many Americans — raised to see the United States as the natural leader of the “free world” — it may be hard to imagine requesting foreign intervention against tyranny in our own land. But as historians like Gerald Horne and Carol Anderson have detailed, there’s a long history of Black Americans doing exactly that.

… In 1964, Malcolm X beseeched Africa’s newly independent governments to “recommend an immediate investigation” into American racism by the U.N. Human Rights Council.

This June, relatives of George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Philando Castile and Michael Brown endorsed a letter calling on the council “to urgently convene a special session on the situation of human rights in the United States.”

Joe Biden is not W.E.B. Du Bois, let alone Malcolm X. But the party he leads now faces chronic racist disenfranchisement. The more the Democratic Party becomes a vehicle for Black political empowerment, the less its votes count. …

That’s why Du Bois’s appeal to the world remains so relevant. By impeding Black voters, the United States still violates the democratic principles it has helped enshrine into international law. After observing America’s 2018 midterm elections, a team from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe cataloged a long list of undemocratic practices, from the disenfranchisement of former prisoners to the District of Columbia’s lack of congressional representation to discriminatory voter identification laws, and concluded that, in critical ways, American elections “contravene O.S.C.E. commitments and international standards with regard to universal and equal suffrage.”

… Then, if Mr. Trump and his allies halt the counting of ballots, or disregard them altogether, Democrats should use the O.S.C.E’s report as evidence in an appeal to the same body where Ms. Tikhanovskaya made hers: the U.N. Human Rights Council.

They should also lodge a complaint with the Organization of American States, a regional organization that has pledged “to respond rapidly and collectively in defense of democracy,” and which in 2009 used that mandate to suspend Honduras after its government carried out a coup. …

Peter Beinart (@PeterBeinart), a professor of journalism and political science at the Newmark Graduate School of Journalism at the City University of New York, is the editor at large of Jewish Currents and a fellow at the Foundation for Middle East Peace.

 
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  1. Like International intervention from a country with the numbers to do so, the media and at least one political party already bought, and a desired outcome? Like maybe China? They could place “volunteers” on the west coast to support the antifa they may be helping to bankroll.

    • Replies: @Hannah Katz
    @Drakejax

    Good point. The sooner we get the USA out of the UN and the UN out of the USA, the better. It has become little more than a dictators' club, anyway.

  2. Enemy of the people.

    • Agree: Escher
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Anon


    Even Democrats may find it hard to imagine, but the “leader of the free world” would benefit from United Nations oversight.
     
    What traitorous scum.

    Replies: @anonymous

    , @Wyatt
    @Anon

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb3IMTJjzfo

  3. (((Peter Beinart ))) wants the US to be invaded…but only for its own good.

    Every. Single. Time? Or just almost?

    • Agree: GeneralRipper
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @anon

    "(((Peter Beinart)))"

    Left-wing (((Jews))) tend to be a population that suffers from a myriad of neurosis. And they worsen their fragile emotional states through their bi-weekly visits to Dr. Freud where they are told all their problems coalesce around mommy. A lot of our societal problems are worsened by their input. So naturally most of them would welcome intervention by the UN (perhaps the most corrupt institution on planet Jesus). Right-wing (((Jews))), whose primary mission in life seems to be the greater Israel project, would be adamantly opposed to any UN presence in the affairs of the USA. The USA is the primary benefactor of Israel: the UN and its Resplendents of Colour are inclined to be hostile towards Israel. Unlike blacks, American (((Jews))) are hardly a monolith; their internecine battles can be quite vicious.

    Replies: @Richard B

  4. Peter Beinart, editor at large of Jewish Currents, might more honestly suggest that Israel slightly expand its role in the USA’s electoral process by directly selecting future US Presidents in addition to exercising its current veto power over who may become/remain a US Senator or Representative.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Gordo
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    If Beinart wants intervention in a country which is non-democratic he should check his passport collection because the US passport is the wrong one to be aiming at.

  5. After observing America’s 2018 midterm elections, a team from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe cataloged a long list of undemocratic practices, from the disenfranchisement of former prisoners to the District of Columbia’s lack of congressional representation to discriminatory voter identification laws, and concluded that, in critical ways, American elections “contravene O.S.C.E. commitments and international standards with regard to universal and equal suffrage.”

    In an extraordinary coincidence, all of the team’s recommendations are reflected in the Democrat party platform this year. I’m sure we can all agree that the residents of Guam, the Marianas islands, and the Virgin Islands should enjoy equal representation as states just as Puerto Rico and the District of Columbia already do, or will in several weeks.

    And Breonnas and George Floyds relatives, many of whom just remembered their relations this year, should be appointed to the Supreme Court when expansion rolls around. Just a few weeks. It’s the least we can do.

  6. You would think the son of South African immigrants would want to put the brakes on a process that threatens to turn us into South Africa. Some other factor must override his thinking on this. It’s anybody’s guess what that is though.

    • LOL: John Regan
  7. Beinart doesn’t realize, or doesn’t care, that he’s an alien on American soil and that he’s here on revokable forbearance. Many such cases:

    NYT:

    There Is Too Much Happening

    How can we possibly make sense of it all?

    By Gail Collins and (((Bret Stephens)))
    Ms. Collins and Mr. Stephens are opinion columnists. They converse every week.

    Bret Stephens: Well, Gail, it was another slow news week. Donald Trump and Joe Biden had a televised conversation and then the president caught some sort of cold. We’ll have to stick to boring subjects. The 25th Amendment, anyone?

    Gail Collins: We obviously want to begin by expressing heartfelt wishes for the president’s recovery. One of the goals of this election is reminding the world that this is not a country that believes a politician who’s terrible at his job should suffer physically.

    Bret: One hundred percent. Get well, Mr. President: We sincerely wish you good health, long life and the full use of your taste buds in order to savor electoral defeat.

    Wikipedia:

    2017: Trump fires James Comey

    After President Donald Trump fired FBI director James Comey in May 2017, Acting FBI director Andrew McCabe claimed that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein held high-level discussions within the Justice Department about approaching Vice President Mike Pence and the Cabinet about possibly invoking Section 4.

    Every. Single. Time.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You sound more like Generic Nazi. Even Washington recognized that Jews are here as equal citizens and not on forbearance. That is the most un-American thing I have ever heard.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @John Regan, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Johann Ricke, @Mr. Anon, @William Badwhite, @AnotherDad, @Mike Tre

    , @IHTG
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Rod Rosenstein, you say?

    https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/1313627692378607616

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  8. After observing America’s 2018 midterm elections, a team from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe cataloged a long list of undemocratic practices…

    LOL! A rip-and-read of Dem party talking points.

  9. The Onion did it.

    Back during the 2000 election:

    https://www.theonion.com/serbia-deploys-peacekeeping-forces-to-u-s-1819565829 (*)

    in response to:

    https://politics.theonion.com/clinton-declares-self-president-for-life-1819565819

    *Some esoteric knowledge: the “Serbian” peacekeepers in the photo are actually Canadian Assault Pioneers, basically infantry with combat engineer capability. Infamous for being the only Canadian personnel outside the Navy who were permitted to grow beards (at the time).

  10. My guess is the Really Smart people, including many HBD’er types, would totally support a Council of Big International Brains getting authority over the rest of us.

    Look how they pushed the Covid lockdown. Greg Cochran went ballistic using childish arguments against anyone who used common sense. All the rest signed up for draconian measures lest “you kill grandma!”.

    I mean, their suggestions might not be so bad if they weren’t so dumb and destructive.

    If you want freedom and security, look to White populism. Period.

    • Replies: @Edwina
    @RichardTaylor

    Yes, the root ideology of hbd is technocratic not democratic. Such a shame when those with the capacity to tell truths about human biology cannot resist the lure of power.

  11. …..like how the Russian foreigners intefered in our elections?

    Now they want the UN to interfere in our elections?

  12. (Peter Beinart)

    on another note, this seems to be a new, emerging idea among leftists. that the US needs to be supervised and perhaps even ‘peacefully’ conquered by Eurocrats and Canadians and all other right thinking modern nations, and turned into a pacified, pussified milquetoast nation just like them.

    View post on imgur.com

    • Replies: @gent
    @prime noticer

    That seems to be the biggest indication that Trump will win.

  13. CNN: Biden crosses 270 threshold in CNN’s Electoral College outlook for first time

    But not, one hopes, for the last.

    [MORE]

    As President Donald Trump remains infected with coronavirus and absent from the campaign trail, his campaign finds itself in its worst political position since the start of the campaign season. The President had a disastrous debate performance last week in what was one of his last best chances to turn things around before millions of Americans began casting their ballots.

    It only got worse from there, when his response to contracting Covid-19 was to tell the country not to worry about it and demonstrate a brazen lack of leadership by removing his mask on a White House balcony overlooking the South Lawn for all the world to see — precisely the move that nearly every scientist and expert says goes against promoting the best weapon we currently have to combat the virus.

    This is a CNN news report, not an editorial. At least that’s what they call it.

    All the experts say that you must wear your face mask when standing on the second-floor balcony of your house.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder


    hen his response to contracting Covid-19 was to tell the country not to worry about it and demonstrate a brazen lack of leadership by removing his mask on a White House balcony
     
    The "brazen lack of leadership" whine is amusing. On the one hand he's Not My President and maybe even Literally Hitler, on the other hand we're supposed to look to Trump for "leadership" in deciding if we should wear a mask or not.

    I guess its similar to how he's dictator at the same time he's bad because he won't be a dictator and order everyone locked down.
  14. “he’s an alien on American soil and that he’s here on revokable forbearance”

    He seems awfully cozy and secure in the USA to me, and in need of far less forebearance than you.

    Diana Robin Hartstein, a lawyer, was married last evening to Peter Alexander Beinart, the editor of The New Republic magazine. Rabbi Jack Luxemburg officiated at the Willard Hotel in Washington.

    Mrs. Beinart, 32, is an associate at Caplin & Drysdale, a Washington law firm, and also is an adjunct professor at the Georgetown University Law Center. She graduated magna cum laude from the University of Maryland and received her law degree from Columbia. She is a daughter of Marlene and Arthur Hartstein of Rockville, Md. Her father is a program manager in the natural gas and petroleum technology program at the Energy Department in Washington. Her mother is the staff development teacher at the Rock Creek Valley Elementary School in Rockville.

    Mr. Beinart, also 32, graduated from Yale and received a Master of Philosophy degree in international relations from Oxford University, where he was a Rhodes scholar. His mother, Doreen Beinart of Cambridge, Mass., is the director of the film series program at the Carr Center for Human Rights Policy at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard. His father, Julian Beinart of Watertown, Mass., is a professor of architecture at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge.

    “Attorney General Rod Rosenstein … Every. Single. Time.”

    RR was in the news this week because of an “expose” of his hard line defending the USA from central american illegals. What were you doing in 2017-18, other than yakking and defaming American heroes on the Internet?

    And according to the Times, Sessions considered separating families to be a feature of the “zero tolerance” policy meant to deter immigrants from attempting to cross the border without authorization.

    Rosenstein also emphasized the policy, telling the US attorneys that no children were too young to be separated from their parents. One of the prosecutors, John Bash, decided not to prosecute two cases involving families in which the children were just babies, and Rosenstein told him he should have gone ahead.

    Bash later told his staff that the cases should not have been declined: “Per the A.G.’s policy, we should NOT be categorically declining immigration prosecutions of adults in family units because of the age of a child,” he said.

    Rosenstein has largely evaded public scrutiny over family separations. But he had defended the practice during an American Bar Association conference in August 2018, arguing that it was consistent with the law concerning unauthorized immigration to the US, which he said must be applied equally to everyone, including those with children.

    • Troll: GeneralRipper
    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Lot

    Give it up. You are never going to get the alt-right to like or trust Jews.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Lot


    [Beinart] seems awfully cozy and secure in the USA to me
     
    Ahh, the timeless delusion of a Tribe infamous for lacking self-awareness.

    Everything’s “cozy and secure” until it isn’t.


    RR was in the news this week because of an “expose” of his hard line defending the USA from central american illegals. What were you doing in 2017-18, other than yakking and defaming American heroes on the Internet?
     
    LOL. Hero? Even if Rosenstein had the entire trespassing families summarily removed from US territory (which by rights should have happened), he’d be simply doing his job. His actual policy accomplished far less than that.

    Also, if true, and which you haven’t disputed, if he attempted to engineer the invocation of Section 4 of the 25th Amendment to remove the President, he is undoubtedly a traitor.

    Also see my response to Jack D in this thread:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-america-may-need-international-intervention/#comment-4210177

    Replies: @Lot

  15. “Joe Biden is not W.E.B. Du Bois, let alone Malcolm X” — sounds like something that would be attributed to Dan Quayle in a chain e-mail in 1994

  16. I just brought up the very same thing in a comment under Michelle Malkin’s last column.

    Perhaps, in Bizarro-America, we need human rights election monitors from El Salvador and all the former hot spots that Americans were concerned about fair elections being held in decades ago. The US Feral Gov’t could pay them minimum wage and per diem, and no need for transportation for some of them. They’re already here.

    If nothing else, get Jimmy Carter to come from Plains, Georgia, out of Americus, Jimmy Carter Regional Airport, up to Wisconsin to supervise. Though he was left-wing for his time, most Democrats were not bat-shit crazy street thug lawbreaking Commies back then.

    Isn’t this supposed to happen DURING the election process, though, not only after Biden loses?

    The top 10 signs your nation has become a banana Republic:

    ….

    (Have at it.)

  17. Joe Biden is not W.E.B. Du Bois, let alone Malcolm X. But the party he leads now faces chronic racist disenfranchisement. The more the Democratic Party becomes a vehicle for Black political empowerment, the less its votes count. …

    When I first skimmed this, I thought that was Steve‘s ironic interjection. The guy who used to write the News of the Weird blog had a section called The Continuing Crisis. The entire existence of the modern liberal is a continuing crisis.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Charlotte

    News of the Weird

    Wow, that brings back memories. It was on paper when I used to read it.

  18. Yep, everything has gone full circle.

    The Neoconservatives have returned to the Democratic Party. Like a bad STD, it has returned to reinfect patient zero. Now they’re advocating regime change in the US.

    The only thing missing is Colin Powell showing off own personal vial of crack cocaine to justify invading Iraq.

    I’ve been reading this book and the sudden media flashbacks have pissed me off all day. (Not at the author, the book is superb.)

  19. Paul Robeson, identified by Beinart as an “entertainer-activist,” was a stone-cold communist who accepted the Stalin Peace Prize.

  20. America has been receiving “international intervention,” good and hard, for too long already.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Buzz Mohawk

    You give some, you take some, and you leave large fortresses called "embassies".

    The dissonance of the same people calling for "international intervention" while trying to stir up good&hard trouble with China and Russia by all means available makes my head explode.

    Do they expect Swiss paratroopers on the White House lawn or Pakistani blue helmets in Brooklyn?

  21. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    There’s a democrat AD running in TV A fat black woman claims that blacks Asians Hispanics the young and the poor are denied the right to vote.

    I looked at my mail in ballot today. It’s first city then county and state candidates and referendums and last the presidential race. The language is fairly high level, like 7th grade. The referendums have to be carefully read. Then there’s filling out the form that’s its really you and your address.

    Don’t mean to be racist, but it takes a bit of time and concentration to complete it correctly so it won’t be discarded. And there’s a certain demographic that might have problems filling out the forms and signing the envelope. And those ballots will be discarded.

    Normally, the DOJ and USPS doesn’t do election mail fraud before elections But what with piles of mail in ballots being discovered dumped here and there, the investigations are starting now.

    Given the demographics of the USPS, I suspect it’s blacks dumping the ballots. Anyone else would have the sense to at least wrap them up in blankets and double trash bags and put them in a dumpster. Or take them home and burn them in the fireplace or barbecue.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    The now famous novelist Jonathan Franzen wrote a 10 page article in the New Yorker in 1994 about how my neighborhood post office, Uptown in Chicago, was unimaginably bad (which my wife had already noticed). One postman was found with a trunkful of mail. He wasn't so much stealing as he was too lazy to deliver it, but he felt guilty about not having delivered it, so rather than throw it away, he hung on to it.

    Replies: @black sea, @PiltdownMan, @Hibernian

  22. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Beinart doesn’t realize, or doesn’t care, that he’s an alien on American soil and that he’s here on revokable forbearance. Many such cases:

    NYT:

    There Is Too Much Happening

    How can we possibly make sense of it all?

    By Gail Collins and (((Bret Stephens)))
    Ms. Collins and Mr. Stephens are opinion columnists. They converse every week.

    Bret Stephens: Well, Gail, it was another slow news week. Donald Trump and Joe Biden had a televised conversation and then the president caught some sort of cold. We’ll have to stick to boring subjects. The 25th Amendment, anyone?

    Gail Collins: We obviously want to begin by expressing heartfelt wishes for the president’s recovery. One of the goals of this election is reminding the world that this is not a country that believes a politician who’s terrible at his job should suffer physically.

    Bret: One hundred percent. Get well, Mr. President: We sincerely wish you good health, long life and the full use of your taste buds in order to savor electoral defeat.
     
    Wikipedia:

    2017: Trump fires James Comey

    After President Donald Trump fired FBI director James Comey in May 2017, Acting FBI director Andrew McCabe claimed that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein held high-level discussions within the Justice Department about approaching Vice President Mike Pence and the Cabinet about possibly invoking Section 4.
     
    Every. Single. Time.

    Replies: @Jack D, @IHTG

    You sound more like Generic Nazi. Even Washington recognized that Jews are here as equal citizens and not on forbearance. That is the most un-American thing I have ever heard.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Jack D

    The problem Jack, is too many Jews now act like Quakers, a group Washington wrote was here on forbearance.

    , @John Regan
    @Jack D

    That's what they told Lindbergh in 1941 when he hinted that control of the media by resentful minorities might be a bad thing for Americans. How un-American of him. And Nazi. America is a nation of wretched refuse. Hadn't he read his Emma Lazarus?

    Ironically, at about the same time, anti-racist saint Franklin Delano Roosevelt said exactly the same thing as Jenner Ickham Errican. Nazism must have penetrated deep into the Democratic Party in the 1930s.


    After World War II began, FDR had privately said to Morgenthau and a Catholic appointee, Leo Crowley, "You know this is a Protestant country, and the Catholics and Jews are here under sufferance."
     
    https://www.newsweek.com/fdrs-auschwitz-secret-146819
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jack D


    You sound more like Generic Nazi.
     
    Jack, my heart goes out to the good Jews. I wish them well. Even to the stereotypical Jews, of which there are far too many, I am considerate: Fair warnings, based on observations of history repeating itself, should suffice. But whaddya whaddya?

    Even Washington recognized that Jews are here as equal citizens and not on forbearance.
     
    There were some conditions required.

    Washington on the Jews of Newport, RI as quoted and bolded by you (#312) :


    the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.
     
    Another commenter later emphasized in bold:

    Left out of that quote from Washington’s letter is this:

    “May the Children of the Stock of Abraham, who dwell in this land, continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other Inhabitants”

    That seems like an important qualification, and something that is subject to periodic reevaluation.
     

    Replies: @Jack D, @Lot

    , @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    You sound more like Generic Nazi. Even Washington recognized that Jews are here as equal citizens and not on forbearance. That is the most un-American thing I have ever heard.
     
    If he had said there is no room for Jews anywhere on Earth, that would make him a Nazi. (Given the noises he's made re Israel, you're probably not far off, though).

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Jack D


    That is the most un-American thing I have ever heard.
     
    Yeah, almost like entertaining the idea that the First Amendment is something that we ("we") can no longer afford:

    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder..............

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/anti-semitic-far-right-terrorist-attacks-synagogue/#comment-2595355
     
    , @William Badwhite
    @Jack D


    That is the most un-American thing I have ever heard.
     
    That you find that comment more un-American than someone calling for a foreign intervention in our government is telling.
    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    You sound more like Generic Nazi. Even Washington recognized that Jews are here as equal citizens and not on forbearance. That is the most un-American thing I have ever heard.
     
    Jack, i could say something about what Washington meant, and critically the expectations he had in return.

    But instead let me just ask you this:

    Do you think American Jews--not yourself, not Stephen Miller--but American Jews taken as a whole and their Jewish organizations--have been loyal Americans--not to the American state, not to American power, not to their re-imagined idea of what they think America should be, but loyal to their actual fellow Americans?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco

    , @Mike Tre
    @Jack D

    I dunno Jack, infant general mutilation is pretty unAmerican.

  23. Seriously Harris will invite the Chinese to help with the solution to the White man problem

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Whiskey

    This was Step One in the process to normalize foreign troops on American shores.

  24. Who wrote this op-ed? Peter Beinart. Peter Beinart?! The very man who gave Donald Trump his winning slogan, “Make America Great Again”. See the subtitle of

  25. In 2012 international observers were invited to observe our elections and what astonished them was that a photo ID was not always required.

    “It’s very difficult to transfer this system as it is to any other country. This system is built according to trust and this trust needs a lot of procedures and a lot of education for other countries to adopt it,” Elabbar said.

    The most often noted difference between American elections among the visitors was that in most U.S. states, voters need no identification. Voters can also vote by mail, sometimes online, and there’s often no way to know if one person has voted several times under different names, unlike in some Arab countries, where voters ink their fingers when casting their ballots.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/11/06/foreign-election-officials-amazed-by-trust-based-u-s-voting-system-2/

    I don’t expect much trust in the results of the coming election.

    • Thanks: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Anon7
    @Harry Baldwin

    I didn't need to show ID in my town until just a few years ago. You'd fill out a slip with your address and sign it; the poll worker would check you against the list in your area, and check you off as having voted.

    If someone tried to vote in your place, it would be discovered soon enough. (Unless of course you didn't vote.) This system worked fine for several hundred years.

    I hated having to show my ID - did I wake up in the Soviet Union this morning? дайте мне бумаги - give me your papers.

  26. OT: Rioters are smashing the windows of residences in Wauwatosa, Wisconsin.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1314032224094752771

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    Thanks.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon


    OT: Rioters are smashing the windows of residences in Wauwatosa, Wisconsin.
     
    It was tiring enough to write out Kenosha; now we have to learn to spell Wauwatosa?

    Will Waukesha be next? Why can't they riot in someplace easy, like Brookfield? Or even just Racine?
  27. America May Need International Intervention

    Even Democrats may find it hard to imagine, but the “leader of the free world” would benefit from United Nations oversight.

    Beinart would have done better to check to see if it is possible to revive the Comintern or create a Fifth International.

  28. Remember the “Special Rapporteur” from the UN who was nosing around and wrote some kind of report, human rights?, a few years ago?

  29. I’ve truly have never read anything so fucked from a main stream publication in my life. The leftists are indoctrinating themselves – or those within their ranks – to the idea that there’s no way that Biden can legitimately lose this election (or that Trump can legitimately win) and they couch that precept in vague pathological language like, “…. the party he leads now faces chronic racist disenfranchisement. The more the Democratic Party becomes a vehicle for Black political empowerment, the less its votes count.”

    The REAL question is: how many Black Panthers will be standing outside of polling places on election night…glaring at elderly white folks?

  30. This Democrat inspired plotting is just another round of the 2016 election scare talk.

    Prior to Trump’s election, they ragged him publicly (and in debates) about pre-agreeing to accept the results, regardless of circumstances. He refused.

    Of course after Ms. Hillary lost, they haven’t stopping whining about how the election was stolen by Trump. Or the Russians did it, Or the aliens from Alpha Centuri. Who knows?

    They had the “intelligence community” mafia (well, they did get rid of JFK, no?) try to do the dirty work but that collapsed into a boring nightmare of talking lawyers and lying FBI thugs. Ditto their “impeachment” circus.

    There is ample evidence that the Dems and their media/spook agency allies tried everything in the book to oust Trump by any means necessary. Now they are replaying that scam.

    Yet it is they who are in control of the BLM/antifa riot mafias. They are extorting voters with the line that “if you don’t want your windows broken or house invaded, you’d better vote Dem.”

    Oh, and they line up an huge pop-up legal firm to litigate any and every possible excuse for losing. Costing millions, but hey, Soros can enjoy the Trump market like anyone else.

    La Lotta Continua !

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Muggles

    • Agree Note also that in tonight's VP debate the moderator asked Pence what he would do if Trump refused to accept the election results. They won't stop planting that thought in the public mind, when it is in fact the Left and the powers that be who won't accept anything.

  31. anon[885] • Disclaimer says:

    Are you surprised the alien elite that controls our country are traitors who identify more with foreigners than with the actual people who reside here? Seriously, it’s a fetish among the far-left these days. They have NO loyalty to this country, and they don’t even try to hide it. Jim Jefferies, Trevor Noah, Jonathan Oliver, Sasha Cohen, James Corden … all are foreigners who mock Americans with dog whistles while angry leftists cheer it on. I feel no connection to a people like that and dream of the day when we part ways into separate countries. Unfortunately, the right side of the political spectrum is too lazy and too stupid to ever bother with that. I so look forward to my stay in hotel USSA because Mr. Boomer ‘Murican wanted to “Make America Great Again.” Rube.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  32. @Harry Baldwin
    In 2012 international observers were invited to observe our elections and what astonished them was that a photo ID was not always required.

    “It’s very difficult to transfer this system as it is to any other country. This system is built according to trust and this trust needs a lot of procedures and a lot of education for other countries to adopt it,” Elabbar said.

    The most often noted difference between American elections among the visitors was that in most U.S. states, voters need no identification. Voters can also vote by mail, sometimes online, and there’s often no way to know if one person has voted several times under different names, unlike in some Arab countries, where voters ink their fingers when casting their ballots.
     
    https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/11/06/foreign-election-officials-amazed-by-trust-based-u-s-voting-system-2/

    I don't expect much trust in the results of the coming election.

    Replies: @Anon7

    I didn’t need to show ID in my town until just a few years ago. You’d fill out a slip with your address and sign it; the poll worker would check you against the list in your area, and check you off as having voted.

    If someone tried to vote in your place, it would be discovered soon enough. (Unless of course you didn’t vote.) This system worked fine for several hundred years.

    I hated having to show my ID – did I wake up in the Soviet Union this morning? дайте мне бумаги – give me your papers.

  33. @Jack D
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You sound more like Generic Nazi. Even Washington recognized that Jews are here as equal citizens and not on forbearance. That is the most un-American thing I have ever heard.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @John Regan, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Johann Ricke, @Mr. Anon, @William Badwhite, @AnotherDad, @Mike Tre

    The problem Jack, is too many Jews now act like Quakers, a group Washington wrote was here on forbearance.

    • Disagree: HammerJack
  34. @Muggles
    This Democrat inspired plotting is just another round of the 2016 election scare talk.

    Prior to Trump's election, they ragged him publicly (and in debates) about pre-agreeing to accept the results, regardless of circumstances. He refused.

    Of course after Ms. Hillary lost, they haven't stopping whining about how the election was stolen by Trump. Or the Russians did it, Or the aliens from Alpha Centuri. Who knows?

    They had the "intelligence community" mafia (well, they did get rid of JFK, no?) try to do the dirty work but that collapsed into a boring nightmare of talking lawyers and lying FBI thugs. Ditto their "impeachment" circus.

    There is ample evidence that the Dems and their media/spook agency allies tried everything in the book to oust Trump by any means necessary. Now they are replaying that scam.

    Yet it is they who are in control of the BLM/antifa riot mafias. They are extorting voters with the line that "if you don't want your windows broken or house invaded, you'd better vote Dem."

    Oh, and they line up an huge pop-up legal firm to litigate any and every possible excuse for losing. Costing millions, but hey, Soros can enjoy the Trump market like anyone else.

    La Lotta Continua !

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    • Agree Note also that in tonight’s VP debate the moderator asked Pence what he would do if Trump refused to accept the election results. They won’t stop planting that thought in the public mind, when it is in fact the Left and the powers that be who won’t accept anything.

  35. @Buzz Mohawk
    America has been receiving "international intervention," good and hard, for too long already.

    Replies: @El Dato

    You give some, you take some, and you leave large fortresses called “embassies”.

    The dissonance of the same people calling for “international intervention” while trying to stir up good&hard trouble with China and Russia by all means available makes my head explode.

    Do they expect Swiss paratroopers on the White House lawn or Pakistani blue helmets in Brooklyn?

  36. @Anon
    OT: Rioters are smashing the windows of residences in Wauwatosa, Wisconsin.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1314032224094752771

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Reg Cæsar

    Thanks.

  37. @Anon
    There’s a democrat AD running in TV A fat black woman claims that blacks Asians Hispanics the young and the poor are denied the right to vote.

    I looked at my mail in ballot today. It’s first city then county and state candidates and referendums and last the presidential race. The language is fairly high level, like 7th grade. The referendums have to be carefully read. Then there’s filling out the form that’s its really you and your address.

    Don’t mean to be racist, but it takes a bit of time and concentration to complete it correctly so it won’t be discarded. And there’s a certain demographic that might have problems filling out the forms and signing the envelope. And those ballots will be discarded.

    Normally, the DOJ and USPS doesn’t do election mail fraud before elections But what with piles of mail in ballots being discovered dumped here and there, the investigations are starting now.

    Given the demographics of the USPS, I suspect it’s blacks dumping the ballots. Anyone else would have the sense to at least wrap them up in blankets and double trash bags and put them in a dumpster. Or take them home and burn them in the fireplace or barbecue.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The now famous novelist Jonathan Franzen wrote a 10 page article in the New Yorker in 1994 about how my neighborhood post office, Uptown in Chicago, was unimaginably bad (which my wife had already noticed). One postman was found with a trunkful of mail. He wasn’t so much stealing as he was too lazy to deliver it, but he felt guilty about not having delivered it, so rather than throw it away, he hung on to it.

    • Replies: @black sea
    @Steve Sailer

    I remember Franzen's article. He also described large piles of burned or half-burned letters and packages found under highway overpasses and bridges. I don't think anyone was ever prosecuted or punished for this. Just one of those things that happens.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @PiltdownMan
    @Steve Sailer

    I remember reading a story when I was a kid about a postman hoarding mail instead of delivering it. It seems to be a chronic problem around the world for over a century. Searching for "postman hoards mail" brings up numerous instances over the years.

    https://slate.com/culture/2008/11/why-mailmen-don-t-deliver-the-mail.html

    Replies: @Cortes

    , @Hibernian
    @Steve Sailer

    There was another case, not long ago, in Chicago, where a fraudster got mail with checks in it, intended for a major corporation, which I believe was headquartered in Atlanta, sent to his own address. That was in another neighborhood not that much farther north. The letter carrier was delivering entire tubs of this mail to this apartment, and didn't report any suspicions to higher ups.

    The scheme involved scamming the corporation and the senders with a fraudulent change of address form.

    Only when a bunch of the senders complained to the corporation, a bank refused to cash one of the checks and notified Uncle Sam, and the corporation complained to Uncle Sam, did the Post Office investigate.

  38. After observing America’s 2018 midterm elections…

    2018’s elections were just as on-schedule as 2016’s and 2020’s. They are not “midterms”. I don’t expect much from the amateurs at the Times, but can’t everybody else stop using this grossly misleading term? We are not France.

    the District of Columbia’s lack of congressional representation

    Its representative votes in committees, so that is not quite a “lack”. They’d have full representation simply by retroceding to their parent state, as Alexandria did in 1846. That they never consider this option shows that their goal is not justice, but power.

    Anyway, the District is steadily whitening, so this is even fishier.

    to discriminatory voter identification laws

    How many members of the UN don’t have such laws?

    Facts about voter ID and the voter information card

    Fact Check: International Voter ID Laws

    For voter ID, you can’t beat Appenzell’s use of a military sidearm.

    Since 1991 the voting card has served as authorisation to participate in the assembly. Men, however, are still allowed to present a bayonet – a sword that was generally passed down from generation to generation – which served as the only form of voting identification up until 1991. Women, who have only had the right to vote and be elected at the cantonal level in Appenzell Innerrhoden since 1991, simply carry their voting card with them.

    https://www.appenzell.ch/en/culture-traditions/customs/landsgemeinde-open-air-assembly.html

  39. Blacks have frequently betrayed their nation with calls for invasion? Isn’t thay pretty much the worst thing you can do? Good job Beinart, now they are hated even more.

  40. @Anon
    OT: Rioters are smashing the windows of residences in Wauwatosa, Wisconsin.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1314032224094752771

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Reg Cæsar

    OT: Rioters are smashing the windows of residences in Wauwatosa, Wisconsin.

    It was tiring enough to write out Kenosha; now we have to learn to spell Wauwatosa?

    Will Waukesha be next? Why can’t they riot in someplace easy, like Brookfield? Or even just Racine?

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  41. United Nations General Assembly members, Madam Secretary Abatu Bumbalewa, ladies and gentlemen. Isn’t it about time we killed off the honkies? They have persecuted and oppressed people of color for so long, we’ve forgotten there ever was a time before a new program pops out every time we pipe up.

  42. @Whiskey
    Seriously Harris will invite the Chinese to help with the solution to the White man problem

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    This was Step One in the process to normalize foreign troops on American shores.

  43. In the ‘80s miniseries about America under Soviet occupation (“Amerika”), one of the smart touches was the occupying force being UN peacekeepers (Soviet troops with blue helmets). The idea that there could be some sort of neutral international intervention in a major power is naive.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Dave Pinsen


    The idea that there could be some sort of neutral international intervention in a major power is naive.
     
    The idea that there could be some sort of neutral international intervention in any country is naive.
  44. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    The now famous novelist Jonathan Franzen wrote a 10 page article in the New Yorker in 1994 about how my neighborhood post office, Uptown in Chicago, was unimaginably bad (which my wife had already noticed). One postman was found with a trunkful of mail. He wasn't so much stealing as he was too lazy to deliver it, but he felt guilty about not having delivered it, so rather than throw it away, he hung on to it.

    Replies: @black sea, @PiltdownMan, @Hibernian

    I remember Franzen’s article. He also described large piles of burned or half-burned letters and packages found under highway overpasses and bridges. I don’t think anyone was ever prosecuted or punished for this. Just one of those things that happens.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @black sea

    The last episode of This American Life [which opens with a hilariously dishonest* damage control effort following O'Keefe's videos of Somali ballot piracy but] is mainly about hilariously bad doctors** not being punished.
    *Allegation: Democrat activists going door to door use ballot harvesting to interfere with the ballots themselves, and thus the election, before it ever gets to the county clerk. Numerous cases, videos, etc..
    Response: Say hello to Mavis, the friendly rural county clerk! Witness her quotidian vegetable stand! It is down on earth!
    Al: Uh, okay, that's not what --
    Res: Are you trying to make Mavis cry? Is that what you want?
    BONUS: This American Life's damage control is blatantly contradicted by sister program Reveal's damage control, which is about ... county clerks failing to properly handle, issue, or track absentee ballots. GOOD JOB.
    **One guy had a wall of pot jars, an uncoded notebook tracking pot customers, a Glock (they didn't note if it was licensed), and had repeatedly threatened to kill his girlfriend.
    BONUS: "I didn't know [selling drugs in a parking lot] was illegal."

  45. @black sea
    @Steve Sailer

    I remember Franzen's article. He also described large piles of burned or half-burned letters and packages found under highway overpasses and bridges. I don't think anyone was ever prosecuted or punished for this. Just one of those things that happens.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    The last episode of This American Life [which opens with a hilariously dishonest* damage control effort following O’Keefe’s videos of Somali ballot piracy but] is mainly about hilariously bad doctors** not being punished.
    *Allegation: Democrat activists going door to door use ballot harvesting to interfere with the ballots themselves, and thus the election, before it ever gets to the county clerk. Numerous cases, videos, etc..
    Response: Say hello to Mavis, the friendly rural county clerk! Witness her quotidian vegetable stand! It is down on earth!
    Al: Uh, okay, that’s not what —
    Res: Are you trying to make Mavis cry? Is that what you want?
    BONUS: This American Life’s damage control is blatantly contradicted by sister program Reveal’s damage control, which is about … county clerks failing to properly handle, issue, or track absentee ballots. GOOD JOB.
    **One guy had a wall of pot jars, an uncoded notebook tracking pot customers, a Glock (they didn’t note if it was licensed), and had repeatedly threatened to kill his girlfriend.
    BONUS: “I didn’t know [selling drugs in a parking lot] was illegal.”

  46. @prime noticer
    (Peter Beinart)

    on another note, this seems to be a new, emerging idea among leftists. that the US needs to be supervised and perhaps even 'peacefully' conquered by Eurocrats and Canadians and all other right thinking modern nations, and turned into a pacified, pussified milquetoast nation just like them.
    https://imgur.com/a/9xGPNg8

    Replies: @gent

    That seems to be the biggest indication that Trump will win.

  47. Nobody is going to come to the US to straighten out any problems we may have with the election next month. I am hoping that all parties will show patience while all the mail in votes are counted. I hope that all parties will accept the results.

    I don’t know what Beinart thinks any international group is going to say that will make the US do something it doesn’t want to. The reports and recommendations of international groups can change things by educating people and changing their minds. They have the power of persuasion. But he’s talking as if the UN or somebody else might punish us if we don’t stop misbehaving. That simply isn’t true.

  48. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    The now famous novelist Jonathan Franzen wrote a 10 page article in the New Yorker in 1994 about how my neighborhood post office, Uptown in Chicago, was unimaginably bad (which my wife had already noticed). One postman was found with a trunkful of mail. He wasn't so much stealing as he was too lazy to deliver it, but he felt guilty about not having delivered it, so rather than throw it away, he hung on to it.

    Replies: @black sea, @PiltdownMan, @Hibernian

    I remember reading a story when I was a kid about a postman hoarding mail instead of delivering it. It seems to be a chronic problem around the world for over a century. Searching for “postman hoards mail” brings up numerous instances over the years.

    https://slate.com/culture/2008/11/why-mailmen-don-t-deliver-the-mail.html

    • Replies: @Cortes
    @PiltdownMan

    “Deliver the mail, Bartleby.”

    “I would prefer not to.”

    And then he ended up in the dead-letter office.

  49. After observing America’s 2018 midterm elections, a team from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe cataloged a long list of undemocratic practices, from the disenfranchisement of former prisoners to the District of Columbia’s lack of congressional representation to discriminatory voter identification laws, and concluded that, in critical ways, American elections “contravene O.S.C.E. commitments and international standards with regard to universal and equal suffrage.

    Cool.

    America is not a democracy. Should certain people wish to insist on making us one then the Constitution will become a null and void instrument and the nature of the union of these 50 states will become entirely negotiable. Presumably the OSCE will insist that we all negotiate peacefully. In the meantime, in order to make the transition into one or more democracies without violence, we may need to expel those people not living here as citizens, whose presence may make that peaceful transition, shall we say, a bit difficult and not truly reflective of the democratic will.

    • Replies: @Hugo Silva
    @Wilkey

    Good luck with that!

  50. @Jus' Sayin'...
    Peter Beinart, editor at large of Jewish Currents, might more honestly suggest that Israel slightly expand its role in the USA's electoral process by directly selecting future US Presidents in addition to exercising its current veto power over who may become/remain a US Senator or Representative.

    Replies: @Gordo

    If Beinart wants intervention in a country which is non-democratic he should check his passport collection because the US passport is the wrong one to be aiming at.

  51. Peter Beinart’s most recent ancestors lived in the Soviet Union, South Africa, and Egypt. They all left those fine and perfect countries so that they could come here to repressive, backwater America to share with us their advanced methods of governance.

  52. @RichardTaylor
    My guess is the Really Smart people, including many HBD'er types, would totally support a Council of Big International Brains getting authority over the rest of us.

    Look how they pushed the Covid lockdown. Greg Cochran went ballistic using childish arguments against anyone who used common sense. All the rest signed up for draconian measures lest "you kill grandma!".

    I mean, their suggestions might not be so bad if they weren't so dumb and destructive.

    If you want freedom and security, look to White populism. Period.

    Replies: @Edwina

    Yes, the root ideology of hbd is technocratic not democratic. Such a shame when those with the capacity to tell truths about human biology cannot resist the lure of power.

    • Agree: RichardTaylor
  53. If we’re using the suggestion that police are sometimes more aggressive with the poor and underclass, would there be any governments left that don’t need a JDAM to the head? Would the US come out so badly?

    Because if we’re talking systematic, baked into the DNA of the founding of the country, religious and ethnic discrimination, there is this one country…

  54. ISRAEL MAY NEED INTERNATIONAL INTERVENTION

    Not something Beinart would ever write.

    • Replies: @tyrone
    @Verymuchalive

    Have you ever read the Bible ….start at the end.

  55. @Lot
    "he’s an alien on American soil and that he’s here on revokable forbearance"

    He seems awfully cozy and secure in the USA to me, and in need of far less forebearance than you.

    Diana Robin Hartstein, a lawyer, was married last evening to Peter Alexander Beinart, the editor of The New Republic magazine. Rabbi Jack Luxemburg officiated at the Willard Hotel in Washington.

    Mrs. Beinart, 32, is an associate at Caplin & Drysdale, a Washington law firm, and also is an adjunct professor at the Georgetown University Law Center. She graduated magna cum laude from the University of Maryland and received her law degree from Columbia. She is a daughter of Marlene and Arthur Hartstein of Rockville, Md. Her father is a program manager in the natural gas and petroleum technology program at the Energy Department in Washington. Her mother is the staff development teacher at the Rock Creek Valley Elementary School in Rockville.

    Mr. Beinart, also 32, graduated from Yale and received a Master of Philosophy degree in international relations from Oxford University, where he was a Rhodes scholar. His mother, Doreen Beinart of Cambridge, Mass., is the director of the film series program at the Carr Center for Human Rights Policy at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard. His father, Julian Beinart of Watertown, Mass., is a professor of architecture at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge.
     
    "Attorney General Rod Rosenstein ... Every. Single. Time."

    RR was in the news this week because of an "expose" of his hard line defending the USA from central american illegals. What were you doing in 2017-18, other than yakking and defaming American heroes on the Internet?

    And according to the Times, Sessions considered separating families to be a feature of the “zero tolerance” policy meant to deter immigrants from attempting to cross the border without authorization.

    Rosenstein also emphasized the policy, telling the US attorneys that no children were too young to be separated from their parents. One of the prosecutors, John Bash, decided not to prosecute two cases involving families in which the children were just babies, and Rosenstein told him he should have gone ahead.

    Bash later told his staff that the cases should not have been declined: “Per the A.G.’s policy, we should NOT be categorically declining immigration prosecutions of adults in family units because of the age of a child,” he said.

    Rosenstein has largely evaded public scrutiny over family separations. But he had defended the practice during an American Bar Association conference in August 2018, arguing that it was consistent with the law concerning unauthorized immigration to the US, which he said must be applied equally to everyone, including those with children.
     

    Replies: @anonymous, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Give it up. You are never going to get the alt-right to like or trust Jews.

  56. At this stage I’d favor turning all U.S. nuclear weapons and access to the production facilities over to reasonable people like the Swiss or Japanese.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Diversity Heretic

    I’ve been making this point for years now. South Africa did it, and we should as well.

  57. It does not mean the Blue Helmets on the US soil.

    It could mean declarations condemning the non-conceding Trump regime, and sanctions slapped on the worst human rights violators …

    also various countries might recognize Biden as the legitimate president of the USA after the election night chaos and demonstrations on the streets

    I wouldn’t mind my country recognizing Kanye West, just for the LOLs

  58. Peter just wants to make his fellow-scholar Henry a prophet:

    “Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government.”

    ~ Henry Kissinger
    Former US Secretary of State
    Speaking at Evian, France, May 21, 1992.

  59. @Verymuchalive
    ISRAEL MAY NEED INTERNATIONAL INTERVENTION

    Not something Beinart would ever write.

    Replies: @tyrone

    Have you ever read the Bible ….start at the end.

    • Agree: Verymuchalive
  60. @Anon
    Enemy of the people.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Wyatt

    Even Democrats may find it hard to imagine, but the “leader of the free world” would benefit from United Nations oversight.

    What traitorous scum.

    • Agree: PiltdownMan, nebulafox
    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Twinkie

    It's time for the American Empire to fade into history. It will be good for Korea. A powerful American Empire could eventually launch a surprise attack on the North to prevent longer range nuclear missiles from being developed. If the surprise attack is botched then Seoul stands a good chance of being nuked. One way to end the Empire and save America is to cheer on the fragmentation of America. Hopefully the country can dissolve. Destroy the village to save the village.

  61. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Beinart doesn’t realize, or doesn’t care, that he’s an alien on American soil and that he’s here on revokable forbearance. Many such cases:

    NYT:

    There Is Too Much Happening

    How can we possibly make sense of it all?

    By Gail Collins and (((Bret Stephens)))
    Ms. Collins and Mr. Stephens are opinion columnists. They converse every week.

    Bret Stephens: Well, Gail, it was another slow news week. Donald Trump and Joe Biden had a televised conversation and then the president caught some sort of cold. We’ll have to stick to boring subjects. The 25th Amendment, anyone?

    Gail Collins: We obviously want to begin by expressing heartfelt wishes for the president’s recovery. One of the goals of this election is reminding the world that this is not a country that believes a politician who’s terrible at his job should suffer physically.

    Bret: One hundred percent. Get well, Mr. President: We sincerely wish you good health, long life and the full use of your taste buds in order to savor electoral defeat.
     
    Wikipedia:

    2017: Trump fires James Comey

    After President Donald Trump fired FBI director James Comey in May 2017, Acting FBI director Andrew McCabe claimed that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein held high-level discussions within the Justice Department about approaching Vice President Mike Pence and the Cabinet about possibly invoking Section 4.
     
    Every. Single. Time.

    Replies: @Jack D, @IHTG

    Rod Rosenstein, you say?

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @IHTG

    A regular Mengele, this Rosenstein!

  62. @Wilkey

    After observing America’s 2018 midterm elections, a team from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe cataloged a long list of undemocratic practices, from the disenfranchisement of former prisoners to the District of Columbia’s lack of congressional representation to discriminatory voter identification laws, and concluded that, in critical ways, American elections “contravene O.S.C.E. commitments and international standards with regard to universal and equal suffrage.
     
    Cool.

    America is not a democracy. Should certain people wish to insist on making us one then the Constitution will become a null and void instrument and the nature of the union of these 50 states will become entirely negotiable. Presumably the OSCE will insist that we all negotiate peacefully. In the meantime, in order to make the transition into one or more democracies without violence, we may need to expel those people not living here as citizens, whose presence may make that peaceful transition, shall we say, a bit difficult and not truly reflective of the democratic will.

    Replies: @Hugo Silva

    Good luck with that!

  63. Blowback! The United States created this system of international organizations to justify their intervention on the internal affairs of other countries now they find it directed at the United States.

    • Agree: dfordoom
  64. @Drakejax
    Like International intervention from a country with the numbers to do so, the media and at least one political party already bought, and a desired outcome? Like maybe China? They could place “volunteers” on the west coast to support the antifa they may be helping to bankroll.

    Replies: @Hannah Katz

    Good point. The sooner we get the USA out of the UN and the UN out of the USA, the better. It has become little more than a dictators’ club, anyway.

  65. @Jack D
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You sound more like Generic Nazi. Even Washington recognized that Jews are here as equal citizens and not on forbearance. That is the most un-American thing I have ever heard.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @John Regan, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Johann Ricke, @Mr. Anon, @William Badwhite, @AnotherDad, @Mike Tre

    That’s what they told Lindbergh in 1941 when he hinted that control of the media by resentful minorities might be a bad thing for Americans. How un-American of him. And Nazi. America is a nation of wretched refuse. Hadn’t he read his Emma Lazarus?

    Ironically, at about the same time, anti-racist saint Franklin Delano Roosevelt said exactly the same thing as Jenner Ickham Errican. Nazism must have penetrated deep into the Democratic Party in the 1930s.

    After World War II began, FDR had privately said to Morgenthau and a Catholic appointee, Leo Crowley, “You know this is a Protestant country, and the Catholics and Jews are here under sufferance.”

    https://www.newsweek.com/fdrs-auschwitz-secret-146819

  66. @Jack D
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You sound more like Generic Nazi. Even Washington recognized that Jews are here as equal citizens and not on forbearance. That is the most un-American thing I have ever heard.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @John Regan, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Johann Ricke, @Mr. Anon, @William Badwhite, @AnotherDad, @Mike Tre

    You sound more like Generic Nazi.

    Jack, my heart goes out to the good Jews. I wish them well. Even to the stereotypical Jews, of which there are far too many, I am considerate: Fair warnings, based on observations of history repeating itself, should suffice. But whaddya whaddya?

    Even Washington recognized that Jews are here as equal citizens and not on forbearance.

    There were some conditions required.

    Washington on the Jews of Newport, RI as quoted and bolded by you (#312) :

    the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.

    Another commenter later emphasized in bold:

    Left out of that quote from Washington’s letter is this:

    “May the Children of the Stock of Abraham, who dwell in this land, continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other Inhabitants”

    That seems like an important qualification, and something that is subject to periodic reevaluation.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    And you left out the first part:


    It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it were the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights,
     
    Apparently Washington was wrong because that is the exact approach that you are trying to take over 200 years later. But luckily no one has put you in charge.

    And you make the same mistake that the Left does and confuse support for your political POV with support for the American system itself. Donald Trump has not betrayed America to its enemies because he does not support the agenda of the Democrat Party and Pete Beinart has not betrayed America to its enemies either because he does not support the agenda of Donald Trump.

    The beauty of the American system is that people of vastly differing views can all reside within its big tent. The atheists put up with the Jesus lovers and the Jesus lovers put up with the atheists. The socialists put up with the capitalists and the capitalists put up with the socialists. Sometimes it's hard because these people annoy the shit out of you. But the tent belongs to all of us and no one has the right to say get out of MY tent.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Anon, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    , @Lot
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “based on observations of history repeating itself”

    Isn’t “bad things happen to enemies of the Jews” something that repeats in history? Maybe not always, but often enough I’d strongly recommend against it.

    And no people have a happier or more glorious modern history than the philosemitic English, Dutch, and English diaspora in America and Oceana.

    You don’t presume to know better than General John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough do you?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_de_Medina

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @anonymous

  67. @Lot
    "he’s an alien on American soil and that he’s here on revokable forbearance"

    He seems awfully cozy and secure in the USA to me, and in need of far less forebearance than you.

    Diana Robin Hartstein, a lawyer, was married last evening to Peter Alexander Beinart, the editor of The New Republic magazine. Rabbi Jack Luxemburg officiated at the Willard Hotel in Washington.

    Mrs. Beinart, 32, is an associate at Caplin & Drysdale, a Washington law firm, and also is an adjunct professor at the Georgetown University Law Center. She graduated magna cum laude from the University of Maryland and received her law degree from Columbia. She is a daughter of Marlene and Arthur Hartstein of Rockville, Md. Her father is a program manager in the natural gas and petroleum technology program at the Energy Department in Washington. Her mother is the staff development teacher at the Rock Creek Valley Elementary School in Rockville.

    Mr. Beinart, also 32, graduated from Yale and received a Master of Philosophy degree in international relations from Oxford University, where he was a Rhodes scholar. His mother, Doreen Beinart of Cambridge, Mass., is the director of the film series program at the Carr Center for Human Rights Policy at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard. His father, Julian Beinart of Watertown, Mass., is a professor of architecture at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge.
     
    "Attorney General Rod Rosenstein ... Every. Single. Time."

    RR was in the news this week because of an "expose" of his hard line defending the USA from central american illegals. What were you doing in 2017-18, other than yakking and defaming American heroes on the Internet?

    And according to the Times, Sessions considered separating families to be a feature of the “zero tolerance” policy meant to deter immigrants from attempting to cross the border without authorization.

    Rosenstein also emphasized the policy, telling the US attorneys that no children were too young to be separated from their parents. One of the prosecutors, John Bash, decided not to prosecute two cases involving families in which the children were just babies, and Rosenstein told him he should have gone ahead.

    Bash later told his staff that the cases should not have been declined: “Per the A.G.’s policy, we should NOT be categorically declining immigration prosecutions of adults in family units because of the age of a child,” he said.

    Rosenstein has largely evaded public scrutiny over family separations. But he had defended the practice during an American Bar Association conference in August 2018, arguing that it was consistent with the law concerning unauthorized immigration to the US, which he said must be applied equally to everyone, including those with children.
     

    Replies: @anonymous, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    [Beinart] seems awfully cozy and secure in the USA to me

    Ahh, the timeless delusion of a Tribe infamous for lacking self-awareness.

    Everything’s “cozy and secure” until it isn’t.

    RR was in the news this week because of an “expose” of his hard line defending the USA from central american illegals. What were you doing in 2017-18, other than yakking and defaming American heroes on the Internet?

    LOL. Hero? Even if Rosenstein had the entire trespassing families summarily removed from US territory (which by rights should have happened), he’d be simply doing his job. His actual policy accomplished far less than that.

    Also, if true, and which you haven’t disputed, if he attempted to engineer the invocation of Section 4 of the 25th Amendment to remove the President, he is undoubtedly a traitor.

    Also see my response to Jack D in this thread:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-america-may-need-international-intervention/#comment-4210177

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    "Even if Rosenstein had the entire trespassing families summarily removed from US territory"

    Even better, he and Sessions prosecuted them, which unlike a summary removal, disqualifies them from getting a visa for legal entry later.


    "His actual policy accomplished far less than that."

    That's true, but the rot was at the top. Trump had complete authority to end DACA and TPS for the various Haiti/Somalia holes, and should have done so on day 1, but instead took years.

    We ended up with the best migration numbers in a long time, with migration from places like Somalia and Iraq down 80%, and less awful economic migrants also down, despite a big economic boom and record low unemployment that would normally see a migration surge.

  68. @Diversity Heretic
    At this stage I'd favor turning all U.S. nuclear weapons and access to the production facilities over to reasonable people like the Swiss or Japanese.

    Replies: @JMcG

    I’ve been making this point for years now. South Africa did it, and we should as well.

  69. I’m shaking with fear at the prospect of the UN and its legions of PowerPoints.

  70. @Charlotte

    Joe Biden is not W.E.B. Du Bois, let alone Malcolm X. But the party he leads now faces chronic racist disenfranchisement. The more the Democratic Party becomes a vehicle for Black political empowerment, the less its votes count. …
     
    When I first skimmed this, I thought that was Steve‘s ironic interjection. The guy who used to write the News of the Weird blog had a section called The Continuing Crisis. The entire existence of the modern liberal is a continuing crisis.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    News of the Weird

    Wow, that brings back memories. It was on paper when I used to read it.

  71. anonymous[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    @Anon


    Even Democrats may find it hard to imagine, but the “leader of the free world” would benefit from United Nations oversight.
     
    What traitorous scum.

    Replies: @anonymous

    It’s time for the American Empire to fade into history. It will be good for Korea. A powerful American Empire could eventually launch a surprise attack on the North to prevent longer range nuclear missiles from being developed. If the surprise attack is botched then Seoul stands a good chance of being nuked. One way to end the Empire and save America is to cheer on the fragmentation of America. Hopefully the country can dissolve. Destroy the village to save the village.

  72. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

    “… In 1964, Malcolm X beseeched Africa’s newly independent governments to “recommend an immediate investigation” into American racism by the U.N. Human Rights Council.”

    I respond:

    Many American White nationalists have presented a later years Malcolm X as a sane, principled Black American man who wanted just self determination and separation of the American White and Black races as forced integration wasn’t working. These Whtie nationalists included George Lincoln Rockwell.

    But the reality is that like almost all supposed Black American Conservatives like Gen. Colin Powell – race trumps everything in American and pretty much all Blacks, mixed race men like Colin Powell, Eric Holder, Barack Obama will always fall back on the Black African American, Black African side – it’s really a gang thing.

    So a Black American like Malcolm X is going to call on all the new Black leaders of African countries (who Idi Amin, later Mugabe?) to arbitrate Black race riots in Detroit 1967, Rodney King LA 1991 or the ongoing BLM/Antifa riots mass looting in my Chicago, Minneapolis, Kenosha.

    How does anyone think that a Black South African UN truth and reconciliation tribunal is going to find incidents like Michael Brown “Hands up don’t shoot”, Trayvon Martin (the little saint boy just trying to eat candy and ice tea), or that giant Black thug George Floyd consuming all those Opioids and Meth that violently resisting arrest.

    And exactly why is the United Nations still on USA soil. Why didn’t any American Conservative post war GOP President like Ike, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush Sr, Bush Jr or now Trump just do the obvious that pretty much every single White American Conservative voter has wanted:

    Tell the United Nations to take a hike
    Boot all the 3rd world American haters at the UK out of New York City, out of the USA for unpaid parking tickets and for spreading COVID, EBOLA, AIDS to Americans.

  73. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    The now famous novelist Jonathan Franzen wrote a 10 page article in the New Yorker in 1994 about how my neighborhood post office, Uptown in Chicago, was unimaginably bad (which my wife had already noticed). One postman was found with a trunkful of mail. He wasn't so much stealing as he was too lazy to deliver it, but he felt guilty about not having delivered it, so rather than throw it away, he hung on to it.

    Replies: @black sea, @PiltdownMan, @Hibernian

    There was another case, not long ago, in Chicago, where a fraudster got mail with checks in it, intended for a major corporation, which I believe was headquartered in Atlanta, sent to his own address. That was in another neighborhood not that much farther north. The letter carrier was delivering entire tubs of this mail to this apartment, and didn’t report any suspicions to higher ups.

    The scheme involved scamming the corporation and the senders with a fraudulent change of address form.

    Only when a bunch of the senders complained to the corporation, a bank refused to cash one of the checks and notified Uncle Sam, and the corporation complained to Uncle Sam, did the Post Office investigate.

  74. @PiltdownMan
    @Steve Sailer

    I remember reading a story when I was a kid about a postman hoarding mail instead of delivering it. It seems to be a chronic problem around the world for over a century. Searching for "postman hoards mail" brings up numerous instances over the years.

    https://slate.com/culture/2008/11/why-mailmen-don-t-deliver-the-mail.html

    Replies: @Cortes

    “Deliver the mail, Bartleby.”

    “I would prefer not to.”

    And then he ended up in the dead-letter office.

  75. @Jack D
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You sound more like Generic Nazi. Even Washington recognized that Jews are here as equal citizens and not on forbearance. That is the most un-American thing I have ever heard.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @John Regan, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Johann Ricke, @Mr. Anon, @William Badwhite, @AnotherDad, @Mike Tre

    You sound more like Generic Nazi. Even Washington recognized that Jews are here as equal citizens and not on forbearance. That is the most un-American thing I have ever heard.

    If he had said there is no room for Jews anywhere on Earth, that would make him a Nazi. (Given the noises he’s made re Israel, you’re probably not far off, though).

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Johann Ricke


    (Given the noises he’s made re Israel, you’re probably not far off, though).
     
    What noises? You mean from Beinart?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/opinion/israel-annexation-two-state-solution.html
  76. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jack D


    You sound more like Generic Nazi.
     
    Jack, my heart goes out to the good Jews. I wish them well. Even to the stereotypical Jews, of which there are far too many, I am considerate: Fair warnings, based on observations of history repeating itself, should suffice. But whaddya whaddya?

    Even Washington recognized that Jews are here as equal citizens and not on forbearance.
     
    There were some conditions required.

    Washington on the Jews of Newport, RI as quoted and bolded by you (#312) :


    the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.
     
    Another commenter later emphasized in bold:

    Left out of that quote from Washington’s letter is this:

    “May the Children of the Stock of Abraham, who dwell in this land, continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other Inhabitants”

    That seems like an important qualification, and something that is subject to periodic reevaluation.
     

    Replies: @Jack D, @Lot

    And you left out the first part:

    It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it were the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights,

    Apparently Washington was wrong because that is the exact approach that you are trying to take over 200 years later. But luckily no one has put you in charge.

    And you make the same mistake that the Left does and confuse support for your political POV with support for the American system itself. Donald Trump has not betrayed America to its enemies because he does not support the agenda of the Democrat Party and Pete Beinart has not betrayed America to its enemies either because he does not support the agenda of Donald Trump.

    The beauty of the American system is that people of vastly differing views can all reside within its big tent. The atheists put up with the Jesus lovers and the Jesus lovers put up with the atheists. The socialists put up with the capitalists and the capitalists put up with the socialists. Sometimes it’s hard because these people annoy the shit out of you. But the tent belongs to all of us and no one has the right to say get out of MY tent.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Jack D

    "The beauty of the American system ..."

    Your "big-tent" theory only works if whites are the dominant demo. The liberties that flow through the Magna Carta and U.S. Constitution are increasingly viewed as white man's voodoo. The American Republic will probably dissolve into a mosaic of autonomous regions. Which I would welcome. I dread the idea of the Federal government dominated by Resplendents of Colour and their white CRT drones. Michelle Obama and her canine visage will surely be immortalized once they boot Lincoln from his Memorial.

    , @Anon
    @Jack D

    @ “ The atheists put up with the Jesus lovers and the Jesus lovers put up with the atheists. ”

    Let’s rephrase that so the general tone of the sentence is homogeneous:

    “The ugly, carnal jews put up with the Jesus lovers and the Jesus lovers put up with the ugly, carnal jews.”

    There, that has better flow.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jack D


    Pete Beinart has not betrayed America to its enemies
     
    Given his words, he is an enemy of America. You’re okay with that?

    But the tent belongs to all of us and no one has the right to say get out of MY tent.
     
    Apparently you're not familiar with a concept called a "circus fire".

    Replies: @Art Deco

  77. @Anon
    Enemy of the people.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Wyatt

  78. @anon
    (((Peter Beinart ))) wants the US to be invaded...but only for its own good.

    Every. Single. Time? Or just almost?

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    “(((Peter Beinart)))”

    Left-wing (((Jews))) tend to be a population that suffers from a myriad of neurosis. And they worsen their fragile emotional states through their bi-weekly visits to Dr. Freud where they are told all their problems coalesce around mommy. A lot of our societal problems are worsened by their input. So naturally most of them would welcome intervention by the UN (perhaps the most corrupt institution on planet Jesus). Right-wing (((Jews))), whose primary mission in life seems to be the greater Israel project, would be adamantly opposed to any UN presence in the affairs of the USA. The USA is the primary benefactor of Israel: the UN and its Resplendents of Colour are inclined to be hostile towards Israel. Unlike blacks, American (((Jews))) are hardly a monolith; their internecine battles can be quite vicious.

    • Replies: @Richard B
    @SunBakedSuburb


    American (((Jews))) are hardly a monolith; their internecine battles can be quite vicious.
     
    And always at our expense.

    Whoever wants to can puzzle over who "our" refers to.

    Also, the full quote from your comment was Unlike blacks, American (((Jews))) are hardly a monolith; their internecine battles can be quite vicious.

    Right. That would explain why the majority of their crime is black on black. Or, as a black co-worker from way back when used to say, "Blacks don't stick together."

    That's true. As their crime makes perfectly obvious. But they are held together. And now we're back to the real subject of your quote, ie; the people holding blacks together.

    At this point, however, they're beginning to look more and more like Jackie Kennedy on that fateful day just after they blew her husband's head off. It was understandable that she tried to, well, you know. And she certainly did her best. But...

    Anyway, you get the idea.

  79. @Jack D
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    And you left out the first part:


    It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it were the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights,
     
    Apparently Washington was wrong because that is the exact approach that you are trying to take over 200 years later. But luckily no one has put you in charge.

    And you make the same mistake that the Left does and confuse support for your political POV with support for the American system itself. Donald Trump has not betrayed America to its enemies because he does not support the agenda of the Democrat Party and Pete Beinart has not betrayed America to its enemies either because he does not support the agenda of Donald Trump.

    The beauty of the American system is that people of vastly differing views can all reside within its big tent. The atheists put up with the Jesus lovers and the Jesus lovers put up with the atheists. The socialists put up with the capitalists and the capitalists put up with the socialists. Sometimes it's hard because these people annoy the shit out of you. But the tent belongs to all of us and no one has the right to say get out of MY tent.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Anon, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “The beauty of the American system …”

    Your “big-tent” theory only works if whites are the dominant demo. The liberties that flow through the Magna Carta and U.S. Constitution are increasingly viewed as white man’s voodoo. The American Republic will probably dissolve into a mosaic of autonomous regions. Which I would welcome. I dread the idea of the Federal government dominated by Resplendents of Colour and their white CRT drones. Michelle Obama and her canine visage will surely be immortalized once they boot Lincoln from his Memorial.

    • Agree: Lot
  80. @Jack D
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You sound more like Generic Nazi. Even Washington recognized that Jews are here as equal citizens and not on forbearance. That is the most un-American thing I have ever heard.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @John Regan, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Johann Ricke, @Mr. Anon, @William Badwhite, @AnotherDad, @Mike Tre

    That is the most un-American thing I have ever heard.

    Yeah, almost like entertaining the idea that the First Amendment is something that we (“we”) can no longer afford:

    I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder…………..

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/anti-semitic-far-right-terrorist-attacks-synagogue/#comment-2595355

  81. @Dave Pinsen
    In the ‘80s miniseries about America under Soviet occupation (“Amerika”), one of the smart touches was the occupying force being UN peacekeepers (Soviet troops with blue helmets). The idea that there could be some sort of neutral international intervention in a major power is naive.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    The idea that there could be some sort of neutral international intervention in a major power is naive.

    The idea that there could be some sort of neutral international intervention in any country is naive.

  82. Anon[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    And you left out the first part:


    It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it were the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights,
     
    Apparently Washington was wrong because that is the exact approach that you are trying to take over 200 years later. But luckily no one has put you in charge.

    And you make the same mistake that the Left does and confuse support for your political POV with support for the American system itself. Donald Trump has not betrayed America to its enemies because he does not support the agenda of the Democrat Party and Pete Beinart has not betrayed America to its enemies either because he does not support the agenda of Donald Trump.

    The beauty of the American system is that people of vastly differing views can all reside within its big tent. The atheists put up with the Jesus lovers and the Jesus lovers put up with the atheists. The socialists put up with the capitalists and the capitalists put up with the socialists. Sometimes it's hard because these people annoy the shit out of you. But the tent belongs to all of us and no one has the right to say get out of MY tent.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Anon, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    @ “ The atheists put up with the Jesus lovers and the Jesus lovers put up with the atheists. ”

    Let’s rephrase that so the general tone of the sentence is homogeneous:

    “The ugly, carnal jews put up with the Jesus lovers and the Jesus lovers put up with the ugly, carnal jews.”

    There, that has better flow.

  83. Anonymous[322] • Disclaimer says:

    Americans don’t need intervention from ANY outside nations, people, or organizations. What they DO need is to get off their lazy butts and fight for what is RIGHTFULLY THEIRS.

    But, that’s too much like work. Better just have the enemies call the election. Then we can stay in our cozy homeless shelter and wait for samiches to be delivered.

  84. @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    CNN: Biden crosses 270 threshold in CNN's Electoral College outlook for first time
     
    But not, one hopes, for the last.

    As President Donald Trump remains infected with coronavirus and absent from the campaign trail, his campaign finds itself in its worst political position since the start of the campaign season. The President had a disastrous debate performance last week in what was one of his last best chances to turn things around before millions of Americans began casting their ballots.

    It only got worse from there, when his response to contracting Covid-19 was to tell the country not to worry about it and demonstrate a brazen lack of leadership by removing his mask on a White House balcony overlooking the South Lawn for all the world to see -- precisely the move that nearly every scientist and expert says goes against promoting the best weapon we currently have to combat the virus.
     

    This is a CNN news report, not an editorial. At least that's what they call it.

    All the experts say that you must wear your face mask when standing on the second-floor balcony of your house.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    hen his response to contracting Covid-19 was to tell the country not to worry about it and demonstrate a brazen lack of leadership by removing his mask on a White House balcony

    The “brazen lack of leadership” whine is amusing. On the one hand he’s Not My President and maybe even Literally Hitler, on the other hand we’re supposed to look to Trump for “leadership” in deciding if we should wear a mask or not.

    I guess its similar to how he’s dictator at the same time he’s bad because he won’t be a dictator and order everyone locked down.

  85. @Jack D
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You sound more like Generic Nazi. Even Washington recognized that Jews are here as equal citizens and not on forbearance. That is the most un-American thing I have ever heard.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @John Regan, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Johann Ricke, @Mr. Anon, @William Badwhite, @AnotherDad, @Mike Tre

    That is the most un-American thing I have ever heard.

    That you find that comment more un-American than someone calling for a foreign intervention in our government is telling.

  86. Mr. Beinart has a history of delineating fatuous schemes.

  87. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Lot


    [Beinart] seems awfully cozy and secure in the USA to me
     
    Ahh, the timeless delusion of a Tribe infamous for lacking self-awareness.

    Everything’s “cozy and secure” until it isn’t.


    RR was in the news this week because of an “expose” of his hard line defending the USA from central american illegals. What were you doing in 2017-18, other than yakking and defaming American heroes on the Internet?
     
    LOL. Hero? Even if Rosenstein had the entire trespassing families summarily removed from US territory (which by rights should have happened), he’d be simply doing his job. His actual policy accomplished far less than that.

    Also, if true, and which you haven’t disputed, if he attempted to engineer the invocation of Section 4 of the 25th Amendment to remove the President, he is undoubtedly a traitor.

    Also see my response to Jack D in this thread:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-america-may-need-international-intervention/#comment-4210177

    Replies: @Lot

    “Even if Rosenstein had the entire trespassing families summarily removed from US territory”

    Even better, he and Sessions prosecuted them, which unlike a summary removal, disqualifies them from getting a visa for legal entry later.

    “His actual policy accomplished far less than that.”

    That’s true, but the rot was at the top. Trump had complete authority to end DACA and TPS for the various Haiti/Somalia holes, and should have done so on day 1, but instead took years.

    We ended up with the best migration numbers in a long time, with migration from places like Somalia and Iraq down 80%, and less awful economic migrants also down, despite a big economic boom and record low unemployment that would normally see a migration surge.

  88. @Jack D
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You sound more like Generic Nazi. Even Washington recognized that Jews are here as equal citizens and not on forbearance. That is the most un-American thing I have ever heard.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @John Regan, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Johann Ricke, @Mr. Anon, @William Badwhite, @AnotherDad, @Mike Tre

    You sound more like Generic Nazi. Even Washington recognized that Jews are here as equal citizens and not on forbearance. That is the most un-American thing I have ever heard.

    Jack, i could say something about what Washington meant, and critically the expectations he had in return.

    But instead let me just ask you this:

    Do you think American Jews–not yourself, not Stephen Miller–but American Jews taken as a whole and their Jewish organizations–have been loyal Americans–not to the American state, not to American power, not to their re-imagined idea of what they think America should be, but loyal to their actual fellow Americans?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    As far as Jewish organizations go, as a lawyer I understand that when I am hired by a client (and the clients of Jewish organizations are by definition Jews) as a lawyer or a lobbyist, I am there to represent the interests of my client and of my client only. It's not my job to look out for all of society. All of society is not paying me, my client is. If I am hired by the steel industry I look out for the interests of steel producers and don't worry about the environment. If I am hired by the Sierra Club I don't look out for the jobs of steel workers.

    It's not my job to be neutral and to protect the bests interests of the American people. That's the job of judges and elected officials. Whether in Congress or in the courts, we have a democratic scrum - I do my best to represent my client, the lawyers or lobbyists for the others do their best to represent their client and may the best man win. Whatever result comes out of that democratic process is by definition "the best" for the American people. It's sort of like the magic of the marketplace - even though no one is there looking out for the interests of "the market" , by each person acting in accordance with his own interest the market functions.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Twinkie

    , @Art Deco
    @AnotherDad

    Do you think American Jews–not yourself, not Stephen Miller–but American Jews taken as a whole and their Jewish organizations–have been loyal Americans–not to the American state, not to American power, not to their re-imagined idea of what they think America should be, but loyal to their actual fellow Americans?

    Why would I think otherwise?


    We have a real problem with wide swaths of our professional-managerial class, but it isn't a problem with Jews qua Jews

  89. White helmets…..GREAT!….it’ll be a target rich environment.

  90. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jack D


    You sound more like Generic Nazi.
     
    Jack, my heart goes out to the good Jews. I wish them well. Even to the stereotypical Jews, of which there are far too many, I am considerate: Fair warnings, based on observations of history repeating itself, should suffice. But whaddya whaddya?

    Even Washington recognized that Jews are here as equal citizens and not on forbearance.
     
    There were some conditions required.

    Washington on the Jews of Newport, RI as quoted and bolded by you (#312) :


    the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.
     
    Another commenter later emphasized in bold:

    Left out of that quote from Washington’s letter is this:

    “May the Children of the Stock of Abraham, who dwell in this land, continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other Inhabitants”

    That seems like an important qualification, and something that is subject to periodic reevaluation.
     

    Replies: @Jack D, @Lot

    “based on observations of history repeating itself”

    Isn’t “bad things happen to enemies of the Jews” something that repeats in history? Maybe not always, but often enough I’d strongly recommend against it.

    And no people have a happier or more glorious modern history than the philosemitic English, Dutch, and English diaspora in America and Oceana.

    You don’t presume to know better than General John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough do you?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_de_Medina

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Lot


    Isn’t “bad things happen to enemies of the Jews” something that repeats in history? Maybe not always, but often enough I’d strongly recommend against it.
     
    Ironic, considering Jews are so often their own worst enemy.

    philosemitic English, Dutch, and English diaspora
     
    LOL. A little bit philo-, plenty anti- (if often ‘genteel’ rather than ‘virulent’) and much indifference among goy hoi polloi. On balance, easily more anti- than philo-.

    You don’t presume to know better than General John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough do you?
     
    Yes, of course I do. Much history has happened since 1722.
    , @anonymous
    @Lot


    Isn’t “bad things happen to enemies of the Jews” something that repeats in history? Maybe not always, but often enough I’d strongly recommend against it.
     
    Considering the types of people who fill its intellectual ranks, right wing populism is bad for Jews and bad for Israel in the long run post-Trump. I would strongly recommend not supporting it.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  91. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    You sound more like Generic Nazi. Even Washington recognized that Jews are here as equal citizens and not on forbearance. That is the most un-American thing I have ever heard.
     
    Jack, i could say something about what Washington meant, and critically the expectations he had in return.

    But instead let me just ask you this:

    Do you think American Jews--not yourself, not Stephen Miller--but American Jews taken as a whole and their Jewish organizations--have been loyal Americans--not to the American state, not to American power, not to their re-imagined idea of what they think America should be, but loyal to their actual fellow Americans?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco

    As far as Jewish organizations go, as a lawyer I understand that when I am hired by a client (and the clients of Jewish organizations are by definition Jews) as a lawyer or a lobbyist, I am there to represent the interests of my client and of my client only. It’s not my job to look out for all of society. All of society is not paying me, my client is. If I am hired by the steel industry I look out for the interests of steel producers and don’t worry about the environment. If I am hired by the Sierra Club I don’t look out for the jobs of steel workers.

    It’s not my job to be neutral and to protect the bests interests of the American people. That’s the job of judges and elected officials. Whether in Congress or in the courts, we have a democratic scrum – I do my best to represent my client, the lawyers or lobbyists for the others do their best to represent their client and may the best man win. Whatever result comes out of that democratic process is by definition “the best” for the American people. It’s sort of like the magic of the marketplace – even though no one is there looking out for the interests of “the market” , by each person acting in accordance with his own interest the market functions.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @Jack D

    • Pilpul: BenKenobi

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jack D

    Lots of words; none of them directly answered AD’s question about loyalty. Unless you’re implying that Jews in America—rather than being ‘disinterested’ citizens—are naturally akin to mercenary lawyers in an eternal adversarial “market”. In that case, apparently, you’re saying “no” on the loyalty question.

    , @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    It’s not my job to look out for all of society. All of society is not paying me, my client is... It’s not my job to be neutral and to protect the bests interests of the American people.
     
    It is - and certainly should be - all our “jobs” to be fair to our fellow citizens (even those who aren’t paying us) and to protect the best interests of the American people (who - in your own very words - include all of us). THAT used to be called patriotism. You should try it.

    Your mercenary attitude of letting your paycheck be the master of your moral conscience is exactly what’s wrong with the whole country today. It’s the same attitude that has led what were once American companies to fixate only on profits rather than the interests off their communities let alone the whole country. It’s the same mentality that has led to unrestrained flooding of the country with mass migrants, legal or otherwise, and has badly damaged not just the economic well-being of our poorer citizens, but also the overall social cohesion of the entire society. We are, in the end, all poorer off for it, including Jewish-Americans who collectively might be intelligent, but clearly lack wisdom.

  92. @IHTG
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Rod Rosenstein, you say?

    https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/1313627692378607616

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    A regular Mengele, this Rosenstein!

  93. @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    You sound more like Generic Nazi. Even Washington recognized that Jews are here as equal citizens and not on forbearance. That is the most un-American thing I have ever heard.
     
    If he had said there is no room for Jews anywhere on Earth, that would make him a Nazi. (Given the noises he's made re Israel, you're probably not far off, though).

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    (Given the noises he’s made re Israel, you’re probably not far off, though).

    What noises? You mean from Beinart?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/opinion/israel-annexation-two-state-solution.html

  94. @Jack D
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    And you left out the first part:


    It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it were the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights,
     
    Apparently Washington was wrong because that is the exact approach that you are trying to take over 200 years later. But luckily no one has put you in charge.

    And you make the same mistake that the Left does and confuse support for your political POV with support for the American system itself. Donald Trump has not betrayed America to its enemies because he does not support the agenda of the Democrat Party and Pete Beinart has not betrayed America to its enemies either because he does not support the agenda of Donald Trump.

    The beauty of the American system is that people of vastly differing views can all reside within its big tent. The atheists put up with the Jesus lovers and the Jesus lovers put up with the atheists. The socialists put up with the capitalists and the capitalists put up with the socialists. Sometimes it's hard because these people annoy the shit out of you. But the tent belongs to all of us and no one has the right to say get out of MY tent.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Anon, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Pete Beinart has not betrayed America to its enemies

    Given his words, he is an enemy of America. You’re okay with that?

    But the tent belongs to all of us and no one has the right to say get out of MY tent.

    Apparently you’re not familiar with a concept called a “circus fire”.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Given his words, he is an enemy of America. You’re okay with that?

    He isn't. He's a fatuous individual with a chronic deficit of understanding in re the implications of whatever it is he advocates.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  95. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jack D


    Pete Beinart has not betrayed America to its enemies
     
    Given his words, he is an enemy of America. You’re okay with that?

    But the tent belongs to all of us and no one has the right to say get out of MY tent.
     
    Apparently you're not familiar with a concept called a "circus fire".

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Given his words, he is an enemy of America. You’re okay with that?

    He isn’t. He’s a fatuous individual with a chronic deficit of understanding in re the implications of whatever it is he advocates.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Art Deco


    Given his words, he is an enemy of America.
     

    He isn’t. He’s a fatuous individual …
     
    Eh. Why not both?
  96. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    You sound more like Generic Nazi. Even Washington recognized that Jews are here as equal citizens and not on forbearance. That is the most un-American thing I have ever heard.
     
    Jack, i could say something about what Washington meant, and critically the expectations he had in return.

    But instead let me just ask you this:

    Do you think American Jews--not yourself, not Stephen Miller--but American Jews taken as a whole and their Jewish organizations--have been loyal Americans--not to the American state, not to American power, not to their re-imagined idea of what they think America should be, but loyal to their actual fellow Americans?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco

    Do you think American Jews–not yourself, not Stephen Miller–but American Jews taken as a whole and their Jewish organizations–have been loyal Americans–not to the American state, not to American power, not to their re-imagined idea of what they think America should be, but loyal to their actual fellow Americans?

    Why would I think otherwise?

    We have a real problem with wide swaths of our professional-managerial class, but it isn’t a problem with Jews qua Jews

  97. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    As far as Jewish organizations go, as a lawyer I understand that when I am hired by a client (and the clients of Jewish organizations are by definition Jews) as a lawyer or a lobbyist, I am there to represent the interests of my client and of my client only. It's not my job to look out for all of society. All of society is not paying me, my client is. If I am hired by the steel industry I look out for the interests of steel producers and don't worry about the environment. If I am hired by the Sierra Club I don't look out for the jobs of steel workers.

    It's not my job to be neutral and to protect the bests interests of the American people. That's the job of judges and elected officials. Whether in Congress or in the courts, we have a democratic scrum - I do my best to represent my client, the lawyers or lobbyists for the others do their best to represent their client and may the best man win. Whatever result comes out of that democratic process is by definition "the best" for the American people. It's sort of like the magic of the marketplace - even though no one is there looking out for the interests of "the market" , by each person acting in accordance with his own interest the market functions.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Twinkie

    • Pilpul: BenKenobi

  98. Peter Beinart’s friends drop into flyover America for a visit & deal out some intervention.

    In the era of RUSHUH-RUSHUH-RUSSIA shouldn’t this be a popular movie? Shouldn’t it?

  99. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    As far as Jewish organizations go, as a lawyer I understand that when I am hired by a client (and the clients of Jewish organizations are by definition Jews) as a lawyer or a lobbyist, I am there to represent the interests of my client and of my client only. It's not my job to look out for all of society. All of society is not paying me, my client is. If I am hired by the steel industry I look out for the interests of steel producers and don't worry about the environment. If I am hired by the Sierra Club I don't look out for the jobs of steel workers.

    It's not my job to be neutral and to protect the bests interests of the American people. That's the job of judges and elected officials. Whether in Congress or in the courts, we have a democratic scrum - I do my best to represent my client, the lawyers or lobbyists for the others do their best to represent their client and may the best man win. Whatever result comes out of that democratic process is by definition "the best" for the American people. It's sort of like the magic of the marketplace - even though no one is there looking out for the interests of "the market" , by each person acting in accordance with his own interest the market functions.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Twinkie

    Lots of words; none of them directly answered AD’s question about loyalty. Unless you’re implying that Jews in America—rather than being ‘disinterested’ citizens—are naturally akin to mercenary lawyers in an eternal adversarial “market”. In that case, apparently, you’re saying “no” on the loyalty question.

  100. @Lot
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “based on observations of history repeating itself”

    Isn’t “bad things happen to enemies of the Jews” something that repeats in history? Maybe not always, but often enough I’d strongly recommend against it.

    And no people have a happier or more glorious modern history than the philosemitic English, Dutch, and English diaspora in America and Oceana.

    You don’t presume to know better than General John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough do you?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_de_Medina

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @anonymous

    Isn’t “bad things happen to enemies of the Jews” something that repeats in history? Maybe not always, but often enough I’d strongly recommend against it.

    Ironic, considering Jews are so often their own worst enemy.

    philosemitic English, Dutch, and English diaspora

    LOL. A little bit philo-, plenty anti- (if often ‘genteel’ rather than ‘virulent’) and much indifference among goy hoi polloi. On balance, easily more anti- than philo-.

    You don’t presume to know better than General John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough do you?

    Yes, of course I do. Much history has happened since 1722.

  101. @Art Deco
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Given his words, he is an enemy of America. You’re okay with that?

    He isn't. He's a fatuous individual with a chronic deficit of understanding in re the implications of whatever it is he advocates.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Given his words, he is an enemy of America.

    He isn’t. He’s a fatuous individual …

    Eh. Why not both?

  102. @Jack D
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You sound more like Generic Nazi. Even Washington recognized that Jews are here as equal citizens and not on forbearance. That is the most un-American thing I have ever heard.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @John Regan, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Johann Ricke, @Mr. Anon, @William Badwhite, @AnotherDad, @Mike Tre

    I dunno Jack, infant general mutilation is pretty unAmerican.

  103. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    As far as Jewish organizations go, as a lawyer I understand that when I am hired by a client (and the clients of Jewish organizations are by definition Jews) as a lawyer or a lobbyist, I am there to represent the interests of my client and of my client only. It's not my job to look out for all of society. All of society is not paying me, my client is. If I am hired by the steel industry I look out for the interests of steel producers and don't worry about the environment. If I am hired by the Sierra Club I don't look out for the jobs of steel workers.

    It's not my job to be neutral and to protect the bests interests of the American people. That's the job of judges and elected officials. Whether in Congress or in the courts, we have a democratic scrum - I do my best to represent my client, the lawyers or lobbyists for the others do their best to represent their client and may the best man win. Whatever result comes out of that democratic process is by definition "the best" for the American people. It's sort of like the magic of the marketplace - even though no one is there looking out for the interests of "the market" , by each person acting in accordance with his own interest the market functions.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Twinkie

    It’s not my job to look out for all of society. All of society is not paying me, my client is… It’s not my job to be neutral and to protect the bests interests of the American people.

    It is – and certainly should be – all our “jobs” to be fair to our fellow citizens (even those who aren’t paying us) and to protect the best interests of the American people (who – in your own very words – include all of us). THAT used to be called patriotism. You should try it.

    Your mercenary attitude of letting your paycheck be the master of your moral conscience is exactly what’s wrong with the whole country today. It’s the same attitude that has led what were once American companies to fixate only on profits rather than the interests off their communities let alone the whole country. It’s the same mentality that has led to unrestrained flooding of the country with mass migrants, legal or otherwise, and has badly damaged not just the economic well-being of our poorer citizens, but also the overall social cohesion of the entire society. We are, in the end, all poorer off for it, including Jewish-Americans who collectively might be intelligent, but clearly lack wisdom.

  104. can i get an early life check on Petey?

  105. anonymous[386] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “based on observations of history repeating itself”

    Isn’t “bad things happen to enemies of the Jews” something that repeats in history? Maybe not always, but often enough I’d strongly recommend against it.

    And no people have a happier or more glorious modern history than the philosemitic English, Dutch, and English diaspora in America and Oceana.

    You don’t presume to know better than General John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough do you?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_de_Medina

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @anonymous

    Isn’t “bad things happen to enemies of the Jews” something that repeats in history? Maybe not always, but often enough I’d strongly recommend against it.

    Considering the types of people who fill its intellectual ranks, right wing populism is bad for Jews and bad for Israel in the long run post-Trump. I would strongly recommend not supporting it.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @anonymous

    Considering the types of people who fill its intellectual ranks,

    It isn't. For the vast majority of the population, Jews are not on their radar screen. What you see on these boards are people with idiosyncratic likes and dislikes. Committed evangelicals have a generically friendly disposition toward Jews which is not reciprocated and, in fact, is met with antagonism.

    Your single best hypothesis as to why Jews favor the Democratic Party is that the Republican Party is the electoral vehicle of a set of cultural dispensations for which common-and-garden secular Jews have no respect, evangelicals among them. Your single best hypothesis for why Orientals and East Indians favor the Democratic Party is that they understand the Republicans as the party of uneducated people). Your single best hypothesis as to why blacks went whole hog into the Democratic Party in 1964 (voting blacks having been no more likely to vote Democratic than other urban ethnics for the generation prior) is that they understand the Republicans as the party of white people, and they have an abstract dislike of generic white people (seldom manifest in everyday life, but real).

    What you notice if you listen to partisan Democrats on Facebook or in fora like this is how little interest they have in public policy or how business gets done in this country. Everything is an expression of antagonism to some Other, and every argument offered is a defense of some injury done to someone of the Other. They don't like cops, soldiers (except those running for office as Democrats), evangelicals, old-school Catholics, white working people, small business (except the sort run by tree-huggers and 'activists'), the petty rich, white male college students, or anyone holding public office on the sufferance of such people.

    Replies: @Lot

  106. @anonymous
    @Lot


    Isn’t “bad things happen to enemies of the Jews” something that repeats in history? Maybe not always, but often enough I’d strongly recommend against it.
     
    Considering the types of people who fill its intellectual ranks, right wing populism is bad for Jews and bad for Israel in the long run post-Trump. I would strongly recommend not supporting it.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Considering the types of people who fill its intellectual ranks,

    It isn’t. For the vast majority of the population, Jews are not on their radar screen. What you see on these boards are people with idiosyncratic likes and dislikes. Committed evangelicals have a generically friendly disposition toward Jews which is not reciprocated and, in fact, is met with antagonism.

    Your single best hypothesis as to why Jews favor the Democratic Party is that the Republican Party is the electoral vehicle of a set of cultural dispensations for which common-and-garden secular Jews have no respect, evangelicals among them. Your single best hypothesis for why Orientals and East Indians favor the Democratic Party is that they understand the Republicans as the party of uneducated people). Your single best hypothesis as to why blacks went whole hog into the Democratic Party in 1964 (voting blacks having been no more likely to vote Democratic than other urban ethnics for the generation prior) is that they understand the Republicans as the party of white people, and they have an abstract dislike of generic white people (seldom manifest in everyday life, but real).

    What you notice if you listen to partisan Democrats on Facebook or in fora like this is how little interest they have in public policy or how business gets done in this country. Everything is an expression of antagonism to some Other, and every argument offered is a defense of some injury done to someone of the Other. They don’t like cops, soldiers (except those running for office as Democrats), evangelicals, old-school Catholics, white working people, small business (except the sort run by tree-huggers and ‘activists’), the petty rich, white male college students, or anyone holding public office on the sufferance of such people.

    • Thanks: black sea
    • Replies: @Lot
    @Art Deco

    "for which common-and-garden secular Jews"

    I had a garden Jew display in my front yard, both secular and orthodox. The HOA made me take it down though.

    https://www.traditionsjewishgifts.com/media/shalom-gnome-SGGNOME-3995.jpg

  107. @SunBakedSuburb
    @anon

    "(((Peter Beinart)))"

    Left-wing (((Jews))) tend to be a population that suffers from a myriad of neurosis. And they worsen their fragile emotional states through their bi-weekly visits to Dr. Freud where they are told all their problems coalesce around mommy. A lot of our societal problems are worsened by their input. So naturally most of them would welcome intervention by the UN (perhaps the most corrupt institution on planet Jesus). Right-wing (((Jews))), whose primary mission in life seems to be the greater Israel project, would be adamantly opposed to any UN presence in the affairs of the USA. The USA is the primary benefactor of Israel: the UN and its Resplendents of Colour are inclined to be hostile towards Israel. Unlike blacks, American (((Jews))) are hardly a monolith; their internecine battles can be quite vicious.

    Replies: @Richard B

    American (((Jews))) are hardly a monolith; their internecine battles can be quite vicious.

    And always at our expense.

    Whoever wants to can puzzle over who “our” refers to.

    Also, the full quote from your comment was Unlike blacks, American (((Jews))) are hardly a monolith; their internecine battles can be quite vicious.

    Right. That would explain why the majority of their crime is black on black. Or, as a black co-worker from way back when used to say, “Blacks don’t stick together.”

    That’s true. As their crime makes perfectly obvious. But they are held together. And now we’re back to the real subject of your quote, ie; the people holding blacks together.

    At this point, however, they’re beginning to look more and more like Jackie Kennedy on that fateful day just after they blew her husband’s head off. It was understandable that she tried to, well, you know. And she certainly did her best. But…

    Anyway, you get the idea.

  108. anonymous[103] • Disclaimer says:

    It isn’t. For the vast majority of the population, Jews are not on their radar screen. What you see on these boards are people with idiosyncratic likes and dislikes. Committed evangelicals have a generically friendly disposition toward Jews which is not reciprocated and, in fact, is met with antagonism.

    As I said, the intellectual ranks of the right wing populism (iSteve) are filled with people who don’t like and don’t trust Jews. Evangelicals are the current masses. In the long run they will fade. What will replace them as the base of right wing populism are new masses who are influenced by Internet disseminated ideas shaped by right wing populist intellectuals who don’t like Jews. (e.g. “Die for Israel” memes during a Middle East crisis.) Therefore, conservative Jews would be foolish to support the rise of right wing populism because it will be bad for Jews and Israel.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @anonymous

    I agree with you that the future masses will have no great love for Jews but it won't be because of the current right wing populist "intellectuals" (and I use that term very loosely) who don’t like Jews. It is not lost on our new masses that these same right wing populists don't like THEM either, if they are non-white (and an increasing % of Americans are going to be non-white). In case you haven't noticed, the median iSteve "intellectual" /anti-Semite is an old white guy. Probably most of his own CHILDREN and grandchildren (if any, and many of whom are 1/2 Asian themselves), let alone anyone else in the next generation, don't agree with his views. Behind his back they snigger at grumpy old racist/anti-Semitic grandpa - he is not the vanguard of anything.


    Therefore, conservative Jews would be foolish to support the rise of right wing populism because it will be bad for Jews and Israel.
     
    What if the thing that comes next is EVEN WORSE for the Jews than the current version of right wing populism? Sometimes in life you can't choose between two good things - you only choice is between something bad and something even worse. Admiral Horthy was fairly anti-Semitic and acquiesced to a number of German demands to persecute the Jews but on the whole he protected the bulk of the Hungarian Jewish population from extermination if not from 2nd class citizenship. When he was overthrown, the Arrow Cross was even worse, much worse.
    , @Art Deco
    @anonymous

    As I said, the intellectual ranks of the right wing populism (iSteve) are filled with people who don’t like and don’t trust Jews.

    No, they're not. The fire-up-the-gas-ovens caucus here are eccentrics employed in miscellaneous venues who do not publish at all. The closest you get to what you're describing is Philip Giraldi. Giraldi has nothing to do with 'right-wing populism'. He's a lapsed member of the permanent government who loathes Jews and wants to see Arabs kill them. Unz publishes him because he writes in complete sentences and Unz will publish just about anything unconventional.

  109. @anonymous

    It isn’t. For the vast majority of the population, Jews are not on their radar screen. What you see on these boards are people with idiosyncratic likes and dislikes. Committed evangelicals have a generically friendly disposition toward Jews which is not reciprocated and, in fact, is met with antagonism.
     
    As I said, the intellectual ranks of the right wing populism (iSteve) are filled with people who don't like and don't trust Jews. Evangelicals are the current masses. In the long run they will fade. What will replace them as the base of right wing populism are new masses who are influenced by Internet disseminated ideas shaped by right wing populist intellectuals who don't like Jews. (e.g. "Die for Israel" memes during a Middle East crisis.) Therefore, conservative Jews would be foolish to support the rise of right wing populism because it will be bad for Jews and Israel.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco

    I agree with you that the future masses will have no great love for Jews but it won’t be because of the current right wing populist “intellectuals” (and I use that term very loosely) who don’t like Jews. It is not lost on our new masses that these same right wing populists don’t like THEM either, if they are non-white (and an increasing % of Americans are going to be non-white). In case you haven’t noticed, the median iSteve “intellectual” /anti-Semite is an old white guy. Probably most of his own CHILDREN and grandchildren (if any, and many of whom are 1/2 Asian themselves), let alone anyone else in the next generation, don’t agree with his views. Behind his back they snigger at grumpy old racist/anti-Semitic grandpa – he is not the vanguard of anything.

    Therefore, conservative Jews would be foolish to support the rise of right wing populism because it will be bad for Jews and Israel.

    What if the thing that comes next is EVEN WORSE for the Jews than the current version of right wing populism? Sometimes in life you can’t choose between two good things – you only choice is between something bad and something even worse. Admiral Horthy was fairly anti-Semitic and acquiesced to a number of German demands to persecute the Jews but on the whole he protected the bulk of the Hungarian Jewish population from extermination if not from 2nd class citizenship. When he was overthrown, the Arrow Cross was even worse, much worse.

  110. @Art Deco
    @anonymous

    Considering the types of people who fill its intellectual ranks,

    It isn't. For the vast majority of the population, Jews are not on their radar screen. What you see on these boards are people with idiosyncratic likes and dislikes. Committed evangelicals have a generically friendly disposition toward Jews which is not reciprocated and, in fact, is met with antagonism.

    Your single best hypothesis as to why Jews favor the Democratic Party is that the Republican Party is the electoral vehicle of a set of cultural dispensations for which common-and-garden secular Jews have no respect, evangelicals among them. Your single best hypothesis for why Orientals and East Indians favor the Democratic Party is that they understand the Republicans as the party of uneducated people). Your single best hypothesis as to why blacks went whole hog into the Democratic Party in 1964 (voting blacks having been no more likely to vote Democratic than other urban ethnics for the generation prior) is that they understand the Republicans as the party of white people, and they have an abstract dislike of generic white people (seldom manifest in everyday life, but real).

    What you notice if you listen to partisan Democrats on Facebook or in fora like this is how little interest they have in public policy or how business gets done in this country. Everything is an expression of antagonism to some Other, and every argument offered is a defense of some injury done to someone of the Other. They don't like cops, soldiers (except those running for office as Democrats), evangelicals, old-school Catholics, white working people, small business (except the sort run by tree-huggers and 'activists'), the petty rich, white male college students, or anyone holding public office on the sufferance of such people.

    Replies: @Lot

    “for which common-and-garden secular Jews”

    I had a garden Jew display in my front yard, both secular and orthodox. The HOA made me take it down though.

  111. @anonymous

    It isn’t. For the vast majority of the population, Jews are not on their radar screen. What you see on these boards are people with idiosyncratic likes and dislikes. Committed evangelicals have a generically friendly disposition toward Jews which is not reciprocated and, in fact, is met with antagonism.
     
    As I said, the intellectual ranks of the right wing populism (iSteve) are filled with people who don't like and don't trust Jews. Evangelicals are the current masses. In the long run they will fade. What will replace them as the base of right wing populism are new masses who are influenced by Internet disseminated ideas shaped by right wing populist intellectuals who don't like Jews. (e.g. "Die for Israel" memes during a Middle East crisis.) Therefore, conservative Jews would be foolish to support the rise of right wing populism because it will be bad for Jews and Israel.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco

    As I said, the intellectual ranks of the right wing populism (iSteve) are filled with people who don’t like and don’t trust Jews.

    No, they’re not. The fire-up-the-gas-ovens caucus here are eccentrics employed in miscellaneous venues who do not publish at all. The closest you get to what you’re describing is Philip Giraldi. Giraldi has nothing to do with ‘right-wing populism’. He’s a lapsed member of the permanent government who loathes Jews and wants to see Arabs kill them. Unz publishes him because he writes in complete sentences and Unz will publish just about anything unconventional.

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