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A massive problem in American life today is the number of people and institutions averse to learning how to deal with the virus for fear that it would reveal that some of their early opinions were wrong. For example, many people have doubled down on lockdowns rather than admit that was a crude blunderbuss policy motivated by the ignorance of the times back in March, which of course should be replaced quickly by more accurate and focused practices.

Shouldn’t leaders be telling us: Here’s what we’ve learned over the last two months:

– It’s extremely important to continue to do X, Y, and Z.

– But, it turns out, it’s not terribly useful to do A, B, and C. (E.g., “Sorry about all our hysteria about packed beaches of doom. It turns out that we were hornswoggled by the telephoto lens effect.”)

But instead, The Experts keep screaming at us to do X, Y, Z, A, B, and C indefinitely as if they haven’t managed to learn a damn thing.

Here’s a New York Times article on May 15 that finally sort of gets around to admitting without precisely coming clean that much of the Stay Inside hectoring of the last two months turns out to have been misguided. But the article never quite mentions that the Latest Conventional Wisdom is different from Old Conventional Wisdom:

What We Know About Your Chances of Catching the Virus Outdoors

A stir-crazy nation wonders: Is it safe to stroll on the beach in a deadly pandemic? How about a picnic in the park? Or coffee with a friend at an outdoor table? The risk is in the details.

By Michael Levenson, Tara Parker-Pope and James Gorman
May 15, 2020

… The good news: Interviews show a growing consensus among experts that, if Americans are going to leave their homes, it’s safer to be outside than in the office or the mall. With fresh air and more space between people, the risk goes down.

But experts also expressed particular caution about outdoor dining, using locker rooms at pools and crowds in places like beaches.

Just look at the photos of the crowds on the beaches!

Will the New York Times ever admit it got repeatedly snookered by the oldest trick in its own photographers’ book: using a telephoto lens to make a picture look more crowded by foreshortening distance?

So, the country gets stuck between, on one side, a whole bunch of people who remain adamant that the big dangers are beaches and golf courses, and on the other side, people who are convinced that the only reason their tongue-piercing parlor in Atlanta isn’t back 100% yet is because governors in distant states are persisting with government-ordered shutdown and instead the the least the government should do would be rounding up scaredy-cats and dragging them in to get their tongue pierced today.

 
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  1. Inverness says:

    News flash: it’s now nearly June and the TSA have just announced that they will soon begin random temperature checks at “selected airports”.

    Why? Because we’ve learned absolutely nothing these past six months. The stupidity. It hurts.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/tsa-preparing-to-check-passenger-temperatures-11589579570

    The ugly truth about covid: it takes down the fat, the old, the weak. And the stupid.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @donut
    , @Mike Tre
  2. Inverness says:

    Will the New York Times ever admit it got repeatedly snookered by the oldest trick in its own photographers’ book: using a telephoto lens to make a picture look more crowded by foreshortening distance?

    If these same photos weren’t explicitly and repeatedly used to demonstrate how white people were supposedly getting away with rampant social proximity while Numinous Ones were being carted off to concentration camps for just a tiny gathering here and there?

    Well then you could plausibly argue that the Times was “snookered”. Back here in the real world? No way.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  3. It’s amazing that it takes three “journalists” to write this thumb sucking tripe.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  4. A massive problem in American life today is the number of people and institutions averse to learning how to deal with the virus for fear that it would reveal that some of their early opinions were wrong.

    Is this your mea culpa?

    • Agree: Mike Tre
  5. I was very excited to participate in the reopening of our friend’s drive-in theater last night, handling traffic and parking. Every patron that I spoke with was excited to get out of their homes and enjoy an evening watching a movie. We showed Smokey and the Bandit and Jurassic Park, Trolls World Tour and Sonic the Hedgehog. When I go help them out tonight I will be eager to find out if there was any pushback from Adolf Whitmer’s office.

    https://wtvbam.com/news/articles/2020/may/16/large-turnout-as-capri-reopens-in-defiance-of-whitmer/1018937/

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  6. Steve, you have to start proofreading your articles more thoroughly. About 6 months ago, I noticed you’ve begun have a typo or grammatically incorrect sentence around one every two or three articles. In this article, you wrote the words “the the”. In the last sentence.

    It’s starting to get frustrating because other than that, you’re a terrific writer with a lot of great ideas

    Go on Fiverr or Upwork and hire a freelance proofreader for $5 an article and then you wont have any problems anymore.

  7. theMann says:

    “For example, many people have doubled down on lockdowns rather than admit that was a crude blunderbuss policy motivated by the ignorance of the times back in March, which of course should be replaced quickly by more accurate and focused practices.”

    And some of were pointing out back in March the policies put in play at that time were as wrong as they were illegal. No real satisfaction in pointing that out, but I will point out the most serious consequences of all this:

    1. We now know that 80% of the population of the country lives at the intersection of hysterical coward and low grade moron. Nobody gets to walk this back or forget it.

    2. A large majority of people in America still believe everything the Media tell them. I am not sure how anyone over the age of 10 could do this, since the Media are routinely revealed to be lying about everything, but important to know. And nobody get to walk this back or forget it.

    3. The monumental corruption of the Medical community is now known. Fraudulent Death Certificates, suppression of HCQ effectiveness, the relation of Corona infection to prior flu vaccines, and of course, the massive push to use still more experimental vaccines with ever worsening long-term side effects….It is fair to say that a fair chunk of Public Heath Officials in this country are criminal filth. They don’t get walk this back or forget it.

    4. Doubling down is the only response the Politicians, Media, and a majority of the important people have as a response to the facts. A lone gunman killed Kennedy, Iraq did 9/11, and global warming is an existential threat to us all. And everybody is at risk, both from AIDS, and the Corona virus. Oh, and you can borrow your way to prosperity, Blacks as a group are just like everybody else, and there are 39 genders. Or 41, or a billion trillion million. Well, at least as many as there are Corona virus deaths. And don’t you every accept any facts to the contrary. (personally, I think snow in May is a tough one to ignore, but it isn’t changing anybody’s minds, is it.)

    We live in a fundamentally unserious country, governed by fear, pseudoscience, and thundering stupidity. And that country is rapidly heading towards a major encounter with reality. Have fun with that, because all you have it coming.

  8. CPK says:

    There are powerful incentives not to learn and revise their opinions, besides just the fear of admitting they’re wrong. This brouhaha has been a godsend for petty control freaks and drama queens and they don’t want to let go of it. They’re almost all management-class white women of a certain age. Displaced maternal instinct, maybe.

    There’s also a fascinating plantation-owner oligarchy vibe to some of the comments. One woman posted, in almost as many words:

    I’ve lucky to have got a nice house and a big yard (land) and still have my income. [As the old Catholic joke goes, “You’re not confessing, you’re bragging.”] I’m looking out for the poor people of color who are laboring to keep me fed and comfortable. And I’m sick of these déclassé white yahoos with their crazy talk about “freedom” trying to mess all this up for us.

    Not surprisingly, the people making these comments have previously said the exact same thing (mutatis mutandis) in defense of our County’s “sanctuary” immigration policy.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    , @Ron Mexico
  9. Anon242 says:

    I doubt there will be any “here’s what we have learned since March” or any kind of similar admission. Remember, the MSM switched reporting from ~don’t wear masks; they won’t do any good to ~wear masks without any explanation of what had changed.

    “The good news: Interviews show a growing consensus among experts that, if Americans are going to leave their homes, it’s safer to be outside than in the office or the mall. With fresh air and more space between people,”

    We now need a “consensus among experts” based on numerous interviews to tell us it is safer to be outside in the fresh air under the wide open sky then to be inside!?

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  10. Your bringing the telephoto lens effect to the attention of your readers and using google earth to measure the true distance between lifeguard towers just goes to show that even today, with all of our advanced tools, a diligent amateur can still discover a new galaxy or super nova using only a backyard telescope. Kudos.

    Now if we could only get our astronomers to realized that the red shift and hence the expansion of the universe, is also due to a distortion of perspective and is not a primary quality of the universe.

  11. Anon[797] • Disclaimer says:

    Maybe coronavirus isn’t dangerous enough to justify a super strict approach, but any realistic approach has to take into account that people cheat, people do not intuitively understand exponentially math and network effects, and enforcement has to be able to be handled by existing law enforcement resources. In a truly horrifically dangerous pandemic you need to use the imperfect blunt instrument of a lockdown so that the cops don’t have to waste time and risk infection dealing with “beachgoers” and “hikers.”

    • Replies: @rienzi
  12. Overkill was useful to build public awareness of how much of a threat COVID-19 was perceived to be, but now is the time to wind it down and stick to those measures that are useful to prevent the spread of the disease, and also other flu-like illness and transmissible upper respiratory infections.

    After all, it DOES seem to be a fairly common phenomenon that people complain of having contracted an upper respiratory infection after a long distance airplane flight, and it IS possible that greater precautions in planes and airports might reduce this going forward.

    However killing off the entire worldwide tourism industry, all sports, and all dancing, is a pretty heavy price to pay to reduce upper respiratory infections, but even if the Pilgrim Fathers would probably have rejoiced in the purity of the notion, not many of their descendants will.

  13. A massive problem in American life today is the number of people and institutions averse to learning how to deal with the virus for fear that it would reveal that some of their early opinions were wrong.

    Yes, that is a good observation.

  14. Steve, I get what you’re saying about beaches. But don’t overlook the other side of this debate, that I own a second beachfront home. Granted, a bunch of young people on the beach pose minimal health risk to me. But since childhood, I have never liked being stuck indoors and seeing other kids play outside. Honestly, I don’t like it any more now, being stuck indoors at my beach home philandering.

    Owning a beachfront property next to a once-public beach is a crowning jewel of one’s career. It’s a place where I can go to be myself, and lord over the local beach community and my children who have to fly in on multi-hop, holiday flights on limited PTO.

    I try to explain to my children this home is really about them, that when I’ve passed away in a few decades and I’m done enjoying the beach home with their new mom, they will get a 1/4th share of the after-tax proceeds. That’s what it’s really all about — parents helping their children.

    • LOL: JMcG
  15. peterike says:

    Meanwhile, in New York City:

    The number of New York City cops who are calling in sick dropped Friday to pre-pandemic levels.

    On Friday, 1,157 uniformed members of the NYPD called out sick. That’s about 3.2% of the department’s workforce — a new low comparable to levels before the coronavirus began ravaging the Big Apple.

    Remember a few weeks back for five minutes it was like “all the hero police will die from the covid!” And now, well it’s sort of like this was a flu that showed up, peaked, people got over it and its fading out, exactly like Knut Wittkowski and others said it would.

    But still nowhere near to bars and restaurants reopening in New York City. Well the fact is that many are at the end of their rope, and we’re going to see cascading business failures. But the Bozo Brothers, Cuomo and DiBlasio, don’t care. They’ve made one bone-headed decision after another — Cuomo quite literally killing thousands of old people by REQUIRING infected oldsters to be returned to nursing homes — and now they can’t back down for political reasons, so they just double and triple down on the stupid.

    It’s a pity Americans have lost their stomach for tar and feathering, because that’s exactly what both of these vile degenerates deserves.

  16. botazefa says:

    Interviews show a growing consensus among experts that, if Americans are going to leave their homes, it’s safer to be outside than in the office or the mall. With fresh air and more space between people, the risk goes down.

    Steve seems to be recovering from coronavirus derangement syndrome. This is great news.

    As for the NYT quote above, No! No no no, New York Times. The expert consensus has always been the same regarding the likelihood of picking up a respiratory illness in the great outdoors.

    It’s not scientists who’s opinion has changed, NYT. It’s just that the utility of your scaremongering has lessened so much that you now have to change your tune.

    • Replies: @MB
  17. But the article never quite mentions that the Latest Conventional Wisdom is different from Old Conventional Wisdom

    It’s even worse than that. The article pretends the Old Convention Wisdom wasn’t the top-down foolishness imposed by the prestige press and their bumbling “experts” but was just the commonplace ignorance of the masses:

    A stir-crazy nation wonders: Is it safe to stroll on the beach in a deadly pandemic? How about a picnic in the park? Or coffee with a friend at an outdoor table?

    No, no one wondered that. Everyone knew it was safe but the people in power enjoyed p*ssing on their inferiors too much.

    Anyhow, as you note, The Powers That Be seem to have determined that the outdoor aspect of The Great Lockdown can no longer be sustained, so they are beginning to unwind it in their characteristically condescending fashion:

    The risk is in the details.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  18. Any of your early opinions been shown to be wrong, Sailer? Any?

  19. Illinois Gov. Pritzker, whose family fled Chicago on a private flight to shelter at their estate in Florida, says the state can’t move ahead without a “cure or a vaccine.” California’s Newsum says the next phase requires counties to have 14 consecutive Covid-19 death free days before they can move on. Neither of these orders is even remotely reasonable. The next step is really for the courts to decide what is legal and constitutional. But, stay safe.

  20. The populace been mindraped by never-ending lies and fearmongering since February. People behaving like bubbleboys and bubblegirls born without immune systems. Covidiots.

    Eff ’em, act normal. Stand a yard from others like normal.

    Stash the facediaper where it belongs: in the garage next to dust-producing powertools.

    Politely hold doors open for people. A young man sporting a neckdiaper jumped back as I exited a quicki mart yester and held the door open for him. He paused but I would not budge, so he – gasp! – walked within two feet of me and said thanks. Normals.

    Sheeple wanna be ordered about, so be that calm strong presence of normality – and things will return to normal. Women and children especially need men to stay calm and to model appropriate behaviors and emotions so that they know how to feel and behave. The women and children close to me do not wear mouthdiapers anywhere and we only speak of kungflu in jest.

    When you meet someone new, insist he shake your hand.

    Stop consuming ANY news or TV ads for The Duration – they are brain pollution.

    And, most importantly:
    Get Out Live Life!

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
    • Replies: @Bert
  21. Anon[230] • Disclaimer says:

    Perhaps the fat layer on those spike protiens get altered just enough in direct sunlight and heat as to not be as effective in getting a toehold in new lungs? Do people inhale or exhale new air slightly differently in hot sunny conditions? Whatever it is, its not magic. Might be a bit more up-draft near a beach too, gently elevating covid over peoples heads where God’s best disinfectant, sunlight, can to its charitable work?

  22. One Two Three Four…/ Can I have a Little More, / Five Six Seven Eight Nine Ten / You Keep Score

    I

    But instead, The Experts keep screaming at us to do X, Y, Z, A, B, and C indefinitely as if they haven’t managed to learn a damn thing.

    II

    a) The newsreel has to be spinning – round ‘n’ round ‘n’ round ‘n’ round’n’…
    a1) (Circle Game)

    b) Repetition is something that does only bother those who recognize it as such,

    c) while others find comfort in it – they feel secure. The news cycle is something that keeps reality
    at a soothing distance

    d) getting aroused in this process feels good for many because it is thrilling and it allows later for
    deeper relaxation – and relief

    III

    a’) It’s mostly eggheads that attack the media as such

    b’) and most of the time those who have no access to it

    c’) Look at them – they don’t know life at all

    d’) I’ve looked at life from Both Sides Now
    From up and down but still somehow
    It’s life’s illusions I recall – / I really don’t know life – at all

    IV

    e’) (I know that I don’t know)

  23. And shouldn’t certain bloggers/pundits admit that Covid hasn’t turned out to be the Black Death and that, maybe, just maybe, we should start looking at the costs of lockdowns, both economic and health (suicides, substance abuse, child abuse, depression, sick people fearing to go their doctor and lower birth rates)?

    Look, when this started, it was all about “crushing the curve” so hospitals didn’t get overwhelmed. But our betters – and others who shall remain nameless – keep moving the goalposts. Why? Because no hospitals outside of NYC for a very short time (and even that is debatable) have ever been overwhelmed.

    Now we have to have X number of days of falling cases. Why? If the cases aren’t overwhelming the hospitals, who cares? Also, isn’t the number of falling cases somewhat determined by the amount of testing. If a state increases its testing, the number of cases will increase. Does that mean the virus is spinning out of control? No.

    We’re not going to get a cure or vaccine anytime soon, maybe never. Therefore, if you want herd immunity, guess what, people are going to need to get Covid. That’s how herd immunity works.

    Here’s a plan: End the lockdowns and then re-impose to varying degrees on areas where hospitals start showing a serious uptick in Covid patients. I realize that there’s a bit of lag time and that an uptick can quickly increase before the impact of the lockdown slow things down. To mitigate that, you can have a sort of national guard of medical personnel who can be deployed to areas that need additional help.

    Until herd immunity is reached, vulnerable groups absolutely should take serious precautions, so the sooner we reach herd immunity sooner those groups can return to their normal lives. Stretching this out hurts everyone.

    Let’s all repeat: Herd immunity requires people to get Covid.

    The question is how to do that in a way that doesn’t overwhelm the hospitals (something we haven’t seen outside of NYC – a city really unlike the rest of the U.S. – for a brief time) and how to protect the most vulnerable. The best plan is to have the healthy and young get Covid as fast as possible without overwhelming the hospitals, which they won’t because they’re barely bothered by the virus.

  24. @Jonathan Mason

    Why do we want to slow the spread of the disease?

    You don’t reach herd immunity unless a certain percentage of the population gets Covid. What we want to do is control the spread. We want to do two things:

    1. Spread it as fast as possible without overwhelming the hospitals
    2. Spread it among those least vulnerable – and given this virus is 99.99% safe for health people under 50, that’s a lot of people.

    We could get herd immunity pretty quickly without causing any problems for the hospitals if we just stopped the lockdowns for healthy people under 50 (maybe 60) but take very serious precautions for vulnerable groups.

    But, noooooo. We shut down the economy cause untold economic and physical damage to slow the spread, which, of course, slow herd immunity.

    It’s madness.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  25. @Buffalo Joe

    “Neither of these orders is even remotely reasonable. The next step is really for the courts to decide what is legal and constitutional.”

    Yup, it’ll take civil disobedience to end the unlawful tantruming of Democratic governors. Let the goon squad cite you for walking about diaper-free and take it to court. A cop must cite a statute to lawfully fine you, but there is no law requiring facediapers, so you will win in court or on appeal if the local judge is a corrupt extension of the police state (as many are).

    Business owners: open up, politely tell the goon squad to leave your premises and return only when they have a warrant. They won’t return because a valid warrant requires the cop cite a specific statutory violation – and running a business violates no law. They might try to manufacture a violation like disorderly conduct, but don’t take the bait – stay calm and polite. Business owners are doing this successfully in Oregon.

    The more people do this and win, the faster we return to normal.

    Get Out Live Life!

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @Hibernian
    , @The Alarmist
  26. prosa123 says:

    And then there was the ventilator fiasco. Governors and health officials were going mental in late March about how they urgently needed more and more and more ventilators to save lives. Then it turns out that ventilators are pretty much useless, with being put on a ventilator an effective death sentence.

  27. I’ll place this little tidbit of knowledge from the NYT in my rapidly expanding “No Shit Sherlock” file.

  28. AnonAnon says:

    “Pandemic life is safer outdoors, in part, because even a light wind will quickly dilute the virus. If a person nearby is sick, the wind will scatter the virus, potentially exposing nearby people but in far smaller quantities, which are less likely to be harmful.”

    No shit, Sherlock. Common sense tells you that. Why does anyone listen to “experts” anymore? The only people I see walking with masks in my neighborhood are old people. They’re the ones still watching mainstream news. LA County is being ridiculous with their requirements that people wear masks at the beach. It’s funny that social media is now picking up that the LA County Health director looks like a vampire. (Though, she’s not nearly as bad as the tranny Pennsylvania has.) I’m glad people are looking into the credentials of these public health officials. They have way too much power and zero accountability. If they have the power to control every aspect of our lives and wreck economies then we the people should be able to remove them from office.

    California is letting dentists and orthodontists book appointments again – we have appointments for next week – but hair salons are still shut down. It makes no sense since dentists work much closer to you than a stylist does. No matter, mine came to my house this week and cut my and my kids’ hair. I paid her in cash so the government doesn’t have to get their cut. She told me her salon is open on the sly, operating with the blinds down, but it doesn’t make financial sense for her to work there since she would have to pay her weekly booth rent but because of distancing/crowding cautions would have to work on far fewer people than normal.

  29. ic1000 says:
    @prosa123

    > Then it turns out that ventilators are pretty much useless

    Yes. That’s clear now. But it didn’t seem that way in early March. Per Steve’s point, “When my information changes, I alter my conclusions. What do you do, sir?” (Keynes?)

  30. Thoughts says:

    Not admitting their mistakes and failing to change course is….

    A feature not a bug!

    [You have taught me well Steve!]

  31. Alfa158 says:

    The NYT was never snookered by telephoto shots of the beaches. I might even venture that many of their loyal acolytes who read the paper weren’t snookered either. They knew perfectly well what the telephoto shots do and were hoping they could snooker everyone else.

    • Replies: @Manfred Arcane
  32. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:

    I’ve told my kids that actually the word “liberalism” actually used to mean favoring a small government. They were amazed, couldn’t believe it.

    Someday, I’ll tell my grandkids that there was a time when “nationalism” didn’t used to mean believing in a never-ending stream of crazy crackpot theories. They won’t believe it.

    Because to them, the “nationalist” will be their crazy man who lives down the street who’s always paranoid that someone’s poisoning him. The toothpaste is poisoned. The vaccines are poisoned. The GMO food is poison. The Wifi is giving him headaches. He’s sure something is poisoned. After all, there are CORPORATIONS making a PROFIT on this stuff. As anyone knows, the only way to make a profit is by harming other people. And the MEDIA says vaccines work. What more proof do you need, sheep? He doesn’t believe in science, he’ll tell you. Big bang theory, didn’t happen. Evolution, he’s skeptical of that too. He thinks for himself, he’ll tell you, which in his mind doesn’t mean looking at the evidence personally. It means picking an opinion as thoughtlessly as you’d pick a buffet dish. In spite of his skepticism of science, he’s not a Bible-thumper either, for he grew up in the instant gratification era and his attention spam is far too short to sit through a sermon. Besides, all that stuff about community and charity, he’s inherently suspicious of that, as in his worldview altruism to strangers only makes sense as a ploy in some devious plot.

    The nationalist of 2040 is opposed to the elites. Indeed, he believes himself to be the ONLY person opposed to the elites. Even the Bolshevist who wants to kill all the billionaires is really a shill for the billionaires because he doesn’t believe in the pedo-ring conspiracy. Funnily enough, he may call himself an anti-feminist, but nevertheless apes their extremism. He’ll believe with 100% certainty any accusation of rape, no matter how implausible, so long as the accused is a billionaire or a movie star.

    The nationalist might oppose “egalitarianism,” but in reality he believes in a particularly extreme version of it. Conspiracism allows him to escape the mental prison of inferiority, to avoid facing up to the thought that maybe other people simply followed the rules and worked harder than he did. But he’s not looking for a handout, he’ll tell you. He just wants the elites to stop poisoning the food and raping the children. Though he idealizes a vision of a socially conservative society, he believes this will just magically appear if only the elites are somehow removed from power. Any suggestion to blame and shame ordinary people for deciding to divorce or have kids out of wedlock is rejected out of hand. The “working class” in his mind is a sacred victim group, deserving absolutely no blame for its own situation.

  33. Anonymous[260] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Illinois Gov. Pritzker, whose family fled Chicago on a private flight to shelter at their estate in Florida

    Some people have estates, others don’t. If you didn’t think that was an injustice three months ago, I won’t be listening to you telling me it’s an injustice now.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  34. Mr. Anon says:

    …………, and on the other side, people who are convinced that the only reason their tongue-piercing parlor in Atlanta isn’t back 100% yet is because governors in distant states are persisting with government-ordered shutdown and instead the the least the government should do would be rounding up scaredy-cats and dragging them in to get their tongue pierced today.

    No, nobody was saying that. Congratulations, Steve. You are now seem to be as adept at dishonest mischaracterizations as is the Mainstream Media.

  35. Mr. Anon says:
    @prosa123

    Then it turns out that ventilators are pretty much useless, with being put on a ventilator an effective death sentence.

    That brings up an interesting point. Even pre-corona, were they mostly a death sentence?

  36. Anonymous[350] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Everyone knew it was safe but the people in power enjoyed p*ssing on their inferiors too much.

    Well, of course. You knew it was safe without evidence, so why would anyone else think differently?

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    , @MB
  37. moshe says:

    Steve, I assume you haven’t been in a tattoo parlor in the past 30 years so you may not know how sanitary and excretion free modern tattoo parlors are in thousands of towns and cities around the world.

    Entering a tattoo parlor while a couple of artists are performing their sacred craft for the gentry you immediately find yourself enveloped by an Edenesque aroma, a pure, pleasant and induces a feeling of being outdoors in wide open grassy plains.

    There’s no chance of inhaling any human produced aerosols in a tattoo & piercing parlor. Don’t be a hater!

    Also, before attending a black tie dinner party with celebrities it’s important to spend the day in a fish market.

  38. AaronInMVD says: • Website
    @ic1000

    It should have been clear to the experts that ventilators used to facilitate breathing in cases where the right muscle movements aren’t happening would the exact wrong solution to low oxygen levels caused by inflammation of lung tissues in a pneumonia. The right solution to increasing oxygen levels in pneumonia patients has long been known to be… supplemental oxygen.

    Hard to see the ventilator panic as anything other than a herding effort. Now that there’s all these surplus ventilators expect them to be used so the hospitals can do their billing.

  39. Corvinus says:

    “Here’s a New York Times article on May 15 that finally sort of gets around to admitting without precisely coming clean that much of the Stay Inside hectoring of the last two months turns out to have been misguided…”

    Perhaps you are overreaching here. That publication in March was discussing how people were going outdoors and getting exercise, being mindful of observing proper protocols. Indeed, at the time, there was discussion about what to do, what maybe to do, and what not to do, similar to what is going on today.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/nyregion/nyc-parks-coronavirus.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/well/move/coronavirus-covid-exercise-outdoors-infection-fitness.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/27/us/coronavirus-dilemmas-outside.html

    “But instead, The Experts keep screaming at us to do X, Y, Z, A, B, and C indefinitely as if they haven’t managed to learn a damn thing.”

    Perhaps it is time to offer up your services as the recognized pattern recognizer for the State of California, rather than hunker down in your closet?

    “Will the New York Times ever admit it got repeatedly snookered by the oldest trick in its own photographers’ book: using a telephoto lens to make a picture look more crowded by foreshortening distance?”

    There wasn’t any snookering or trick. You’re just as obsessed on this topic as is the Negress SkHAIR-mongerers and the Tiger Moms with their issues.

    “So, the country gets stuck between, on one side, a whole bunch of people who remain adamant that the big dangers are beaches and golf courses…”

    when people in those places consistently neglect to adhere to social distancing measures. Fixed it for you, Mr. Sailer.

    Hat Tip –> lambdaphagy

    Under ideal conditions, going to the beach is probably mildly protective against COVID-19: the risk of infection per contact is lower outdoors, and vitamin D may help some.

    Under average conditions, going to the beach is probably mildly protective except when someone coughs on you in the public restrooms, or jogs past you and leaves a trail of ‘rona in their wake.

    Under pessimistic conditions, going to the beach invites people to throw tailgate parties and lick each other’s faces.

    Ideally you would leave open the theoretically safe amenities, and just police the actually unsafe behavior. In practice, however, that means defaulting to some cop’s interpretation of unsafe behavior and willingness to police it. Unfortunately, the logic of exponential growth suggests that it doesn’t take too many additional infections to make the beaches net negative for CA.

    The basic problem is that a general population that was on the ball enough to use beaches responsibly wouldn’t be in this situation in the first place. Newport Beach may seem Properly Socially Distanced (at least from one photograph), but a brief glance at the zip code demographics suggests that Newport Beach may be something of an outlier in Modern California. When you’re the governor, you have to plan for the average case.

    Perhaps we could wait for a solid trend of declining deaths before we think about easing our foot off of the brakes.

    On the other hand, there is hope that most people will observe social distancing at beaches as summer approaches.

    https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/05/14/pinellas-beach-areas-could-close-if-holiday-crowds-get-too-big-sheriff-says

    In a perfect world, it would be great to have just Pinellas County residents using beaches” during the pandemic, Commissioner Dave Eggers said, “but it’s not a perfect world.”

    More than 300 deputies and police officers patrolled beaches, parking lots and hundreds of access points across the county last weekend. There were no beach-related arrests between Friday and Sunday.

    As beaches reopened in Naples and closed again because of crowding last weekend, the reopening in Pinellas worked better because of partnerships between county and local officials, Gualtieri said. Several commissioners praised the sheriff for the smooth reopening.

    The large presence of law enforcement cannot go on forever at the beaches, Gualtieri warned. He said he is committed to keeping the heavy presence through the Memorial Day holiday. Officials then will have to examine all available medical data to determine whether COVID-19 cases increased or decreased over the three weeks, he said.

    “This is not sustainable forever,” he said. “At some point, we’ll have to take the training wheels off.”

    • Replies: @psmith
  40. @Jonathan Mason

    If you’re going to link to a music clip, Mr Lennon’s entreaty to Miss Farrow would be as appropriate as any.


    Ronan, check up on Auntie! She’s 72, in the danger zone.

  41. Anonymous[293] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, a-hole Trump is starting to make noises about maybe possibly helping out his base at some time in the vague pre election future. Are you buying it?

    Of course he’s also doing a ton of heavy lifting for the NWO at the same time.

    MAGA saga was tragedy first time around. The repeat version will be farce amirite?

    • Replies: @MB
  42. The metric all along in this PANDEMIC!!! should have been the years of potential life lost (PYLL). A study by the University of Glasgow estimates that the average PYLL of COVID-19 victims is a bit more than 10 years. Assuming that the US has a very pessimistic 200K victims, that would equate to about 2 million PYLL.

    Assuming that this lockdown period could be considered ‘life lost’, EACH MONTH for the 330 million Americans equates to almost 28 million PYLL, or 14X that of the pessimistic COVID-19 fatalities.

    And, of course, this is before the lockdown’s adverse impact on the lives of the 330 million Americans is considered, with the inevitable job losses, bankruptcies, depression, etc etc.

    http://www.talkstats.com/threads/wanted-rational-coronavirus-analysis.74951/page-2#post-221078

  43. A duet between a fine gal named “California” and Governor Gavin “Lockdown” Newsome (who doesn’t want California out in the heat, humidity and virus killing sunshine … which ends every cold and flu season).

    Baby It’s Hot Outside

    I really can’t stay – Baby it’s hot outside
    I’ve got to go away – Baby it’s hot outside
    This morning has been – Been hoping that you’d stay in
    So full of grace – Just wash your hands, don’t touch your face
    My mother will start to worry – Beautiful, what’s your hurry
    My father will be pacing the floor – Listen to the AC roar
    So really I’d better scurry – Beautiful, please don’t hurry
    Well Maybe just a half a drink more – Please open facebook, while I pour

    The neighbors might think – Baby, it’s bad out there
    Say, what’s in this drink – No beaches are open out there
    I wish I knew how – Your eyes are like starlight now
    To break this spell – I’ll take your mask, your throat looks swell
    I ought to say no, no, no, sir – Mind if I move a little closer
    At least I’m gonna say that I tried – What’s the sense in hurting my pride
    I really can’t stay – Baby don’t go out
    Ahh, but it’s hot outside
    C’mon baby

    I simply must go – Baby, it’s hot outside
    The answer is no – Ooh baby, it’s hot outside
    This morning has been – I’m lucky that you stayed in
    So nice and cool — Look out the window at that sun
    My sister will be suspicious – Babe, your lungs look so delicious
    My brother will be up very soon – but he’ll stay down in the game room
    My maiden aunt’s mind is vicious – Gosh your lungs look delicious
    Well maybe just a few minutes more – Never such fierce UV before

    I’ve got to get out – Oh, baby, you’ll burn out there
    Say, lend me your towel – It’s too much UV out there
    You’ve really been grand – Your eyes are like starlight now
    My bikini – How can you do this thing to me
    There’s bound to be talk tomorrow – Making my life long sorrow
    At least there will be plenty implied – If you got a sunburn and died
    I really can’t stay – Get over that go out
    Ahh, but it’s hot outside

    I really can’t stay – Get over that go out.
    Baby, it’s hot outside.
    Baby it’s hot outside.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  44. anon[178] • Disclaimer says:

    Insecure people who claim infallibility cannot admit error. It would damage their self image.
    How many years did it take the NYT to admit that Walter Duranty wasn’t actually a reporter? 50? 60?

    They’ll never admit error.

    If SARS-2 is close enough to other virii in the family there should be a serious decline in new cases in the northern hemisphere already in progress. What happens south of the Equator will give us some guidance on what to expect next winter.

  45. prosa123 says:

    New York, New Jersey and Connecticut are reopening their beaches for Memorial Day weekend. No lifeguards so no swimming, but that doesn’t matter because the water’s still too cold.

    • Replies: @JimB
  46. Bill P says:

    Aside from supermarkets, outside is the only place to go. I’ve been spending more time outside than I have in years. Good thing it isn’t November.

    Well, it’s looking like both my wife and I are going to be out of work soon, so we might as well get used to being outside. We’ll probably end up sleeping there if this keeps up.

    • LOL: moshe
  47. moshe says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Assuming that covid 19 actually IS a civilization-endangering event akin to the Spanish Flu you are absolutely right.

    Before jumping on me for doubting the assumption, let me make clear the fact that I’m not here to doubt the assumption right now. you know that I doubt it. everyone knows that I doubt it. but the majority of people thought and still think that it is true. a

    And if it is, OF COURSE a massive lockdown was necessary in order to shake up the world population so that something serious would get done.

    We see the good guys doing this and movies all the time and a plug them and hope they succeed.

    I’ve recently come across either Michael Shermer or Steven Pinker saying that now that homosexuality has been accepted as normal can we stop pretending that it is definitively innate rather than, quite likely, and large part a response to environment?

    Every parents knows that at times you have to lie to a child or overreact in order to get across the point that you feel is necessary to get across.

    When it comes to the relationship between a people and their scientists / media / political leaders / religious leaders, I have encountered no people in the civilized world patronized like Americans.

    Americans and their leaders of various sorts have a relationship similar to that between a child and a five-year-old. I don’t exaggerate.

    Other civilized peoples are treated like 10 or 11 year olds by their leaders. To an American such as myself it’s a wonder to behold the difference.

    Still, America is presently considered the world leader for whatever reason and therefore other countries of the world follow the United States’ example. Doing so pisses them off but We Have The Bomb.

    Anyway ~ ~

    I myself APPLUAD all of this overreacting as a spectator who’s enjoying the show and hooing that all of this concern and quantifying will actually improve my own healthy longevity. I doubt it, but it can’t hurt. Hell, I even want a solid 70% of people to wear masks. Why not?

    I don’t want to be the Only guy walking around mask free breathing O² so I’d like some feminine anti-vacc group to take up the cause too. But 70% of Americans stumble-suffering around in sensory deprivation spacesuits so that they’re less likely to infect me sounds fine.

    I just really really really really don’t want any laws or ironclad customs enforcing this “new normal”.

    I mean, what woukd the easiest vocabulary be to explain my conscientious objection? That I’m not a Safespacist? That sounds more like a challenge and an attack than a positive religious identity that disallows mask-wearing.

    Of course I could take the medical explanation route but something sounds off about saying, “I would wear this mask that you Safespacists believe will protect you from my invisible illness but I can’t do so due to having an invisible illness”.

    No, religion is the way. Seventh Day Adventist maybe?? Anybody know where they stand on mask wearing? Jehovah’s Witnesses? Scientolog… nah, scientology is (rightly) not given much respect.

    The best I can come up with is a Judeo-Islamic hybrid, as in: “covering your face is בגד אשה (feminine) and therefore verboten for men”, but I think I’ll just go with saying Medical Mennonite and if there’s a follow up friendly request for an explanation it’s, “we believe that masks are unhealthy for both the wearer and people who interact with the wearer”.

    By the way, does freedom of religion actually limit me to only believing in religions that have had magazine spreads or can I just state the goddamn honest truth that I believe that mask wearing is a meaningless virtue signaling Safespacist ritual and I’m a nonbeliever.

  48. You’re doing very well on Step 2 of the 12-step program, Steve. (Yeah, we already got “Hello, my name is Steve Sailer and I’m a blogger.”) In our pamphlet, to describe this phase of the Kung Flu bloggers anonymous program, we put it like this: People in the government are usually full of shit.

    OK, you seem to be getting that. Now, think of your own areas of expertise: marketing, statistics, American history of race/ethnic relations, the outrageous media, golf course architecture, and, oh, you’ve written about the “Gell-Mann Amnesia” effect your very self, which is not-so-coincidentally, what I’m writing about right now. If government officials and/or their media branches give out advice or orders on race relations, I’d think you’d see how full of it they are. What made you think that the advice and orders they gave regarding the Kung Flu was any different?

    I know you like to think you can look at the numbers yourself and work this all out, as you are a bright guy, but you’re getting fed bad information to start with. However, I know you are pretty fair and willing to learn from others, as opposed to certain other writers here, along with those gov’t officials you rightly deride here.

    … and on the other side, people who are convinced that the only reason their tongue-piercing parlor in Atlanta isn’t back 100% yet is because governors in distant states are persisting with government-ordered shutdown and instead the the least the government should do would be rounding up scaredy-cats and dragging them in to get their tongue pierced today.

    NOBODY SAID THAT. Nobody said anything like that. They’d like their state and Feral Gov’ts to leave them alone – if people want to come in and take their chances on a stupid idea even in good times, and more hazardous now, that is their own damn business.

    I can see step 3 is gonna be a doozy.

  49. @Alfa158

    The NYT and their ilk were the ones doing the snookering. To talk as if the Gray Whore ever lies accidentally, as opposed to purposely, is more than a little naive. Steve’s a good guy, but he too often ascribes mere stupidity to clearly malevolent people.

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
  50. @Bill P

    Good thing it isn’t November.

    Absolutely! We’ve had the best Spring weather in years, extra time off, and the roads mostly to ourselves (bike and rollerblades) for a while. I’ve gotten 5 years worth of V-D (Vitamin D, that is) in 2 months. I wish I could store up the sunshine, like Dandelion Wine.

    • Replies: @Bill P
  51. They aren’t interested in dealing with the virus, they’re interested in dealing with you.

    It’s about preserving their own status, and part of staying on top is not admitting you were wrong and your enemies were right.

  52. @ic1000

    What I do, Sir, is not listen to people that I know are full of it to begin with.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @ic1000
  53. For example, many people have doubled down on lockdowns rather than admit that was a crude blunderbuss policy motivated by the ignorance of the times back in March.

    For the record, your article on March 1 recommended universal masking, a position that will eventually get adopted after sufficient dollars have been burned on the bonfire of the lockdown. You might send this quote to your publisher.

  54. moshe says:
    @ic1000

    Nope.

    I’m no kind of doctor and I knew from simple observation and a general familiarity with reality thay getting intubated should be your absolute last resort. Once you’re intubated, they aint taking it out until they’re “sure” it’s safe to do so, during which time you’re standing in line for a stroke, bacterial infection, neglect or some other common hosoital borne outcome for the intubated.

    I said so in these pages.

    And everything I know was also known AND SAID by medical professionals and politicians. But, you the people wanted ¡PANIC! And you punished any politician or medical professional who said that you were overreacting. So they intubated you. Because you demanded it.

    I love how people believe that their kings and bad policies are forced upon them by tiny weaklings in moustaches or old ignorant lasagna eaters or or whomever the “evil emperor” du jour is….

    I was Here & Aware for all of Coronahoax 2020 and I watched how The People, en masse, demanded that the media scare them more and more and that their political leaders “Do Something”.

    And now I see many of those people wahwah’ing like 13 year old girls that they were lied to by big bad mommy, daddy and teacher.

    What a bunch of babies.

  55. JimB says:
    @prosa123

    No lifeguards so no swimming, but that doesn’t matter because the water’s still too cold.

    No lifeguards so no rescue.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @JerseyJeffersonian
  56. ONS for England and Wales

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending1may2020

    The number of deaths registered in England and Wales in the week ending 1 May 2020 (Week 18) was 17,953, a decrease for the second week running, but 8,012 more than the five-year average for Week 18.

    Of the deaths registered in Week 18, 6,035 mentioned “novel coronavirus (COVID-19)”, which was 33.6% of all deaths; a decrease of 2,202 deaths compared with Week 17 (37.4% of all deaths).

    That’s about a 45% increase on the five year average for this time of year.

    The number of deaths was around or below the five-year average up to Week 12 (i.e. late March). The total number of weekly deaths has been higher than the five-year average for seven weeks in a row.

    Looking at the year-to-date (using the most up-to-date data we have available), the number of deaths up to 1 May 2020 was 247,251, which is 41,627 more than the five-year average (Figure 2). Of the deaths registered by 1 May, 33,408 mentioned COVID-19 on the death certificate, this is 13.5% of all deaths.

    Between Weeks 1 and 12, 138,916 deaths were registered, which was 4,822 less than the five-year average for these weeks. However, between Weeks 13 and 18, 108,345 deaths were registered, which was 46,494 more than the five-year average. The number of COVID-19 deaths contributed 75.3% of the excess deaths when compared with the five-year average in week 18 (Figure 2). We are continuing to investigate the number of non-COVID-19 related deaths and will publish detailed analysis on this in the future.

    Figure 3: People aged 90 years and over had the highest number of COVID-19 deaths in Week 18 (score one for Omar Mateen).

    Figure 4: The number of deaths involving COVID-19 was highest in women aged 85 years and over for the first time.

    That last figure is a doddle – there are a lot more women over 85 than men over 85, so even with the higher male death rate more women are dying, there are just more of them to die!

    As for Figure 3, I think this is the care home nightmare. On March 23rd nurses in major city hospitals still had no masks, gloves etc unless they were dealing with known CV19 patients, and neither did nurses in some GP practices. By April pretty much all care staff in hospitals and GP practices were masked, shielded, gloves, scrubs – but I didn’t hear anyone asking about the care homes – even though some care homes were already refusing to take back hospitalised people, in order to protect the rest of their inmates.

    Boris’s boys were so focused on the health services, where a lot of flak was coming from (every day another Guardian interview with a medic saying they had no protection), that they took their eye off the care home ball – as did the media and the opposition. Care home staff are at the lowest paid level (minimum wage) in the UK, generally not the most articulate sector, didn’t have the glamour of a pretty nurse or heroic surgeon on the news every night. Now care homes are losing their inmates and Boris is losing his voters.

    There’s a possibility too that lockdown dampened the animal spirits of elderly people who weren’t getting visits from relatives or friends.

    • Replies: @Anon
  57. Sam Patch says:

    Ah, is the old pre-plague Steve back?! Starting to get concerned

  58. @Anonymous

    “his attention span is far too short to sit through a sermon”

    This is where I bailed. My attention span is far too short to read the rest of your sermon.

  59. J.Ross says:
    @Inverness

    This, how often did the Times show the far bigger and more crowded black “sideshows”?

    • Replies: @Inverness
  60. anon[370] • Disclaimer says:
    @Inverness

    TSA

    Must be boring standing around all day.
    “We should do sumpin. This is sumpin. Let’s do it!”

    Temps don’t mean as much with this SARS as with the previous one: 2003 SARS became communicative as soon as fever started, but we have an abundance of evidence that 2019 SARS is communicative days before fever starts.

    Fever is a lagging indicator.

  61. J.Ross says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Nor a viable strategy when the idiots hold office.

  62. @Ron Mexico

    Ron, keep us posted Stay safe.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
  63. Bill P says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    You can store it up by eating lots of hot dogs and drinking beer while lounging in the sun. Vitamin D is fat soluble. When fat people lose weight their vitamins D levels go up as they metabolize their vitamin-rich blubber. That came in handy in the old days during the lean, dark months of winter.

  64. For centuries, the state of the art in medical practice was to let blood to rebalance the humours. Let’s cut the Times some slack; it’s only been a couple months, and science is hard. Fauci should have gotten out in front of this and a number of other things that are the modern equivalent of bloodletting, but he seems to have a hidden agenda.

  65. Bert says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    From comment 23: “Until herd immunity is reached, vulnerable groups absolutely should take serious precautions” And vulnerable persons have every right to do that.

    When a politically-motivated, asshat, mother-fucker like you invades the personal space of the wrong oldster, you’re going to learn that being collateral damage is a two way street.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
  66. anon[370] • Disclaimer says:
    @JimB

    No lifeguards so no rescue.

    Any drownings will obviously be COVID-19 related deaths.
    Win-win!

  67. @Anon242

    Anon 242, right now we are livung under the “consensus” decrees of the governors. I actually, litterally think they call each other to see how long they can sustain this.

  68. @Achmed E. Newman

    You’re alright, Achmed. You remind me of another crusty libertarian named Ken, who was married to my Aunt Bridget. He wore red suspenders clipped to his jeans. Those brass clips seemed too fragile to hold back his expansive gut. I was always worried they would pop-off and hit one of my eyes.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  69. JimB says:

    Will the New York Times ever admit it got repeatedly snookered by the oldest trick in its own photographers’ book: using a telephoto lens to make a picture look more crowded by foreshortening distance?

    Who is snookering whom? The DNC’s proxy media will do anything to help elect Biden to the White House in November. And they have decided that this requires maintaining a maximum level of fear about the Wuhan coronavirus. Blocking a return to normalcy badly hurts Trump whose incredibly successful brand of retail politics requires speaking at mass rallies and using his larger-than-life persona to project his populist agenda.

    The Wuhan coronavirus is just a glorified strain of the common cold. Ignore.

  70. @Jim Don Bob

    That’s become the norm for the Times. Two or three, maybe more, reporters to write the most inane puff piece. A real screed about Donald Trump’s awfulness can have up to seven people on the by-line.

    My guess is that there is some sort of career metric based on number of by-lines. And the reporters share by-lines to max out that number. Sort of like grade inflation for reporters.

    Either that, or it really does take 2-3 NYT reporters just to “screw in a lightbulb.”

  71. Anonymous[159] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P

    Well, it’s looking like both my wife and I are going to be out of work soon, so we might as well get used to being outside.

    Why? What happened?

    • Replies: @Bill P
  72. @Manfred Arcane

    Well, yes, the classic formulation goes, “Never ascribe to malice that which can be accounted for by stupidity”.

    But this is The Great Gray Whore here, and given their long-term track record, the classic formulation should be inverted, and with extreme prejudice. They are mendacious liars by design.

    As others have observed, that they are doing this clandestine, non-apology apology is more likely them resetting their sails as public suspicions as to their mendacity rises to a point where this seems necessary.

    • Agree: Manfred Arcane
  73. @prosa123

    being put on a ventilator an effective death sentence

    Feature-not-a-bug for them.

  74. @moshe

    “What a bunch of babies.”

    Indeed, 80% of Los Angeles County is comprised of adult babies who look at Mayor Garcetti’s strange smile and deem it perfectly normal.

  75. @Anonymous

    Anon 260, I think you missed the point about the Pritzkers. He tells Illinois to stay home and he sends his family to another property, in another state. I could care less who has money and a comfortable life. That’s what I raised my children to strive for, and still be charitable. Chicago based politicians are another class of low. Mayor Lightfoot says stay home and then gets her hair cut and styled. Now be safe, even if you have to travel between your estates.

    • Agree: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Federalist
  76. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    1. Spread it as fast as possible without overwhelming the hospitals
    2. Spread it among those least vulnerable – and given this virus is 99.99% safe for health people under 50, that’s a lot of people.

    That’s my idea, too, but nobody would listen….

  77. @Achmed E. Newman

    People in the government are usually full of shit.

    That would be a good name for a blog all by itself. Perhaps shortened to the acronym PIGAFOS.

    I was always skeptical, but the real turning point was watching them fake the death numbers right before our eyes. Not only did it show their intentional dishonesty but it infected (no pun intended), all the data that would be used to make every decision afterwords.

    The climb down process from this will be like when they couldn’t find any WMDs in Iraq.

    • Replies: @moshe
  78. JMcG says:
    @Bill P

    That’s interesting, I’d never realized that was part of the mechanism. I think I need to spend next winter north of the Arctic circle.

  79. @JimB

    This will certainly be cited as proof that those skeptical of the lockdown were – really – just people reckless of consequences all along; ergo, further proof of the Wisdom of Our Betters in countering the influence of such people through the lockdown.

    This would not be provable, of course, being a mere assertion; but with the Mighty Wurlitzer behind it, the normies will be more than willing to have their confirmation biases stroked about their decision to comply with the (ever-shifting, to those who were critically watching, but thereby hangs a tale, eh?) Advice from soi-dissant Experts.

    Take it to the bank, sadly.

  80. anon[397] • Disclaimer says:

    In the Netherlands, youth sports have restarted. Based on extensive data showing little transmission of the virus among under 16 year olds. Using data from contract tracing, among other things showing family transmission is largely from parent to child, as well as low infection rates among teachers.

    The point being that the national government is obsessed with New York and many states are unmotivated to reopen quickly. We were promised sub county level data and appropriate data driven recommendations. Instead, we are seeing wide variations being largely ignored.

    There can be some stalling, but not too much. People are tired of panic governance. Gasoline sales fell over 50% and have already trended up by over 10% roughly based on earnings calls by refiners couple of weeks ago. There is still a glut of oil, but supply excesses are easing.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  81. The woman who delivered my groceries this morning had a professional hair job. Perfectly uniform magenta dye job (rgb 255,0,255) and all of the natural 1/16 inch radii curls uniformly elongated to perfect 3/8 inch radii. There is no way it was more than three days old. Perhaps one of her roommates is a professional stylist and is keeping in practice but I really, really, really doubt that.

    I hope you all live in a zipcode where instacart will bring you your groceries and you do not ever have to wear that stupid mask and proclaim your compliance to the fuhrer in your jurisdiction. It’s a terrible burden to bear having an agent pick out the bruise pattern of my bananas for me but Life is Change.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  82. @theMann

    You’re taking unrelated mistakes made by mostly disjoint 10% pieces of the population and merging them into one big ball of evil. This is the real meaning of “conspiracy theory.”

  83. Anonymous[159] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve:

    Is Sweden advising against masks?

    • Replies: @utu
  84. @Anonymous

    So you are not leaving your house, then?

    • Replies: @Anon242
  85. @peterike

    peter, 3.2% of the workforce off sick sounds reasonable and to put that in perspective, 36.8 % of Buffalo Public School teachers miss at least 18 or more days in a school year. So, they miss about 10% of their work year. But, the teachers are all off now getting paid.

  86. theMann says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    How many NYT Reporters does it take to screw in a light bulb?

    1. Twenty – one to screw the bulb in, 19 to write articles about their heroic bulb-screwing exploits.

    2. All of them – they can’t even find the socket.

    3. All of them -One male Reporter to screw the bulb in, all of the other male Reporters to write about the socket’s violation, all of the female Reporters to secretly wish they were the socket.

  87. anon[219] • Disclaimer says:

    Mashable tries to see the future of sex in a plague year, provides entertainment but no insight

    https://mashable.com/article/future-of-sex-dating-after-coronavirus-pandemic/

    Boomertard Faith Popcorn is still serving it up, lol.

  88. ic1000 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    > [I don’t] listen to people that I know are full of it to begin with.

    Achmed, re: respirators, I was talking regularly with a couple of docs at the time (March), including an ICU attending whose judgement I have reason to respect. It’s possible that the critical care folks you hang with saw things differently. Or that the sources of information that you read are higher quality than what I have access to.

    I don’t know.

    Experience with very sick patients has led to changes in what’s seen to be best practices, over the last two months. I consider that to be a good thing, better than dogmatism. It seems likely to me that that is one contribution to declining IFRs (my impression is that more people are surviving).

    • Replies: @moshe
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  89. @Bill P

    Classic.

    Though i’d suggest your wife might prefer it–and love your better–if instead of larding up, you just get yourself the Costco vit-D bottle–a couple years worth of tiny pills for $12.

  90. ic1000 says:
    @moshe

    But, you the people wanted ¡PANIC! And you punished any politician or medical professional who said that you were overreacting. So they intubated you. Because you demanded it.

    I love how people believe that their kings and bad policies are forced upon them by tiny weaklings in moustaches or old ignorant lasagna eaters or or whomever the “evil emperor” du jour is….

    I’m not sure who “you” and “people” are, in that comment. Is it me, something I said? Anybody who looks at things differently?

    You (moshe) sound like you have the certainty of the Woke.

    • Replies: @moshe
  91. moshe says:
    @theMann

    TheMann, Well Done!

    I agree with everything you wrote.

    Never forget how stupid and cowardly the average American is and therefore how crappy their chosen medical and political and media leaders are.

    We watched this happen live!

    It’s an awesome time to be alive.

    I now understand Mencken¹ and Hecht² like never before.

    °°°°°°

    ¹ See Prejudices 1 and 3

    ² See A Guide For The Bedevilled

  92. utu says:

    “For example, many people have doubled down on lockdowns rather than admit that was a crude blunderbuss policy motivated by the ignorance…” – The lockdowns were not strict enough and and were imposed not soon enough. The epidemic was not extinguished because the lockdowns were too lax and leaky. Subsequently people conclude that lockdowns not only are costly but also do not work. At this point they become susceptible to the herd immunity meme which is being fanned out by Lubyanka and Olgino trolls who never lose an opportunity to promote chaos and confusion in the West.

  93. J.Ross says:

    Asking for a friend, what is the name of the smart young mainstream Jewish social scientist on twitter who is frequently posted and discussed here? Eric or Zack something?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  94. moshe says:
    @ic1000

    I was not referring to you specifically. You’re better than most but it is precisely because you’re so close to seeing this hysteria as it is I was aroused to mock those far further down the chain.

    The “woke” insult however is just comical. It’s what that Turok guy would do. May as well call me a fag. Whatever woke is, I’m quite obviously rather classically asleep and share the view of man proffered by all of the stale pale males of old, like Shakespeare, Twain, Huxley, Nietzsche, Mencken, Hecht…. I would personally consider these men rather woke but others’ mileage may vary.

  95. Anon[210] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    If you’re in a nursing home, it’s unlikely you’re going to be voting. Nursing home inmates are generally too sick/demented/immobile to make it to the polls, and often, they’re too confused to know what they’re voting about. People in retirement communities are generally still mobile and able to get to the polls and deal mentally with a ballot, but not nursing home people. There are very few lost votes from nursing homes.

  96. Anon[210] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    It takes three reporters to write a column when their IQs are 98, 95, and 97.

  97. moshe says:
    @Anonymous

    Yup.

    We all know how demented the Trannyists Victimologists are (I won’t call them “leftist” or “liberal”) but the truth is that a large percentage of the people currently OPPOSING the continued lockdown (most of whom pissed their pants in fear of corona 2 months ago) are also moronic nuts. A different flavor of nut but a nut nonetheless. And by looking at their Projectioning on others we get a peek at their own fetid minds. They think that “the elites” hold slave dungeons of young girls because that’s what they think they would do if they were “elite”! Of course they wouldn’t because this side of Qhaddaphi nobody does such things. Well, one in a million, or in Germany one in a thousand, but it’s quite rare. Same with all of their other nonsensical beliefs.

    Dr. Strangelove is brilliant on this. The army fellow thinks that the brit is going to engage in preversions because in his mind that must be what genteel british officers get to do. And Ripper knows that there’s no time to waste in dealing with the commies because they’re putting flouride in children’s ice cream.

    Most people on both sides of every 50/50 issue are absolute morons whose opinion is less worth hearing than the flush of a toilet bowl.

    Even when those people happen to be on the same general political team as us.

    P.S. Just because I don’t think that most people have very much to contribute in philosophical, scientific or political thought doesn’t mean that I don’t hold them valuable and like them. Going off on them in the generality in print is different than actual misanthropy. It’s important to separate the two otherwise you come away making the common mistake that some of the most personable people in history (TR, Twain, etc) were misanthropes. They may even have called themselves that for effect within a set context but anyone who loves people and is beloved by them is obviously an anthrophile. Though they tend to get insulted if you say to their face, you can care about and enjoy the company of and love a person without actually respecting there views or mental means of obtaining those views.

    • Replies: @Anon
  98. Hibernian says:
    @CPK

    Maybe someone could explain to her that the businesses limited to takeout and/or delivery and/or curbside service or just plain shut down are disproportionately owned by immigrants and staffed by people of color. Then again, it would probably be a thankless task.

  99. Hibernian says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    you will win in court or on appeal if the local judge is a corrupt extension of the police state (as many are).

    In Illinois every level of the judiciary up to and including the Illinois supreme court is totally political.

  100. @CPK

    “poor people of color who are laboring to keep me fed and comfortable”
    Is this woman living in the Antebellum South?

  101. Clyde says:

    I first read about “outside is good” two months ago. Singapore had sussed this out. Even in a crowded Central Park in Manhattan, Covid transmission is super low given wind currents and sunlight. The only way to get Covid outside is to hire an infected to sneeze/cough in your face a few times with your eyes and mouth open.

    Then we know that back with the Spanish flu, the infected US soldiers who were treated outside, who lived in tents, improved over those kept inside with poor ventilation.

  102. psmith says:
    @Corvinus

    Hat Tip –> lambdaphagy

    whoa whoa whoa, where is he posting?

    (if you don’t mind my asking, etc)

  103. moshe says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    I always found the ever-increasing wailing from the media and democrats about “see! there are no wmd!” during the first two years of the war to be silly and misguided. When Bush&co were claiming Iraqi WMD as their casus belli it was obvious to EVERYONE that they weren’t seriously saying that this was the reason we were going to wipe Saddam’s Iraq off the face of the Earth.

    The war was a response to 9/11. We had to exact our blood revenge somewhere and show that we weren’t pussies and knocking out some half-ass Afghani cave government wasn’t going to cut it. We were raped in the ass on 9/11 and had to regain our manhood. Ideally and logically we should have taken out Saudi Arabia but apparently the Saudis and Bushes have some kind of weird relationship that made that a non-option so Bush threw out 3 options. Rmeber his Axis of Evil? And both for personal and political reasons he settled on Iraq. The whole “wmd” thing was said as seriously as Trump says…well any of the untrue or hyperbolic things he says.

    Politicians follow the people. And at that time the people wanted to see America take over Saddam’s Iraq and at this time the people wanted their government to hold them down and choke them a little.

    So the government and other factions obliged. But they never really put their heart into the bedtime stories they told and any adult listening to them knew it. They never hid it.

    Remember back two months ago when only Wuhan had NuFlu? Did the media lie about rhe numbers? No. They said then that no kids died and that it only effected the elderly and sick. Sure they held up terrifying WHAT-IF horror theories but the actual numbers were available to every lazy reader.

    I personally was happy that we reasserted our manhood after 9/11 (though not quite as efficiently as Clinton would have done) and enjoyed the Shutdown Show as well. But at no point did I think that the stated reasons for either were genuine or even intended to be understood as genuine by anyone who wasn’t a child, a mommy, a millennial or just plain unintelligent.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  104. Anon242 says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Probably not “without evidence” that it ok.

  105. @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    A cop must cite a statute to lawfully fine you, but there is no law requiring facediapers, so you will win in court or on appeal if the local judge is a corrupt extension of the police state (as many are).

    Yeah, that’s the theory. The cops are going to enforce what they see as a valid public health order, even if it isn’t. One thing can surely be said: Having your day in court, especially in the good ole USA, can be a long, drawn out, painful (especially if you get in the face of a LEO), and very expensive process, and even a few hours in lockup can be a severe threat to your health and well being.

    Unless you are a poor minority with little to lose, you might leave civil disobedience to the other guy unless you can convince a couple hundred or a couple thousand to join you.

  106. moshe says:
    @ic1000

    Sorry but no.

    Every doctor knew respirators were a bad idea. Heck, from spending a few thousand hours in hospitals and nursing homes visiting people I knew that intubation was half a death sentence.

    But the idiotic multitude of people wanted something to panic about and Serious Measures to be taken. Hence respirator deaths.

  107. Anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ginger bread man

    Steve has done this for the last two decades I’ve been reading him.

    A lot of people will offer corrections and say “feel free to delete this”.

    BTW a lot of people expect politicians to be infallible and never to make mistakes in an unfolding situation. So to “backflip” is seen as a sin and something most politicians avoid doing. This leads to poor policy.

    Maybe the solution is to manage expectations saying that we will make mistakes and advice will change.

  108. Cortes says:
    @moshe

    Sounds like you’re on the road to demask us.

  109. anon[402] • Disclaimer says:

    New blank-paper troll. Double points if deployed in the LA metro:

    “IT’S OK TO BE OUT”

  110. Corvinus says:
    @theMann

    “1. We now know that 80% of the population of the country lives at the intersection of hysterical coward and low grade moron. Nobody gets to walk this back or forget it.”

    You mean YOU THINK you know.

    “The monumental corruption of the Medical community is now known.”

    According to Who/Whom?

    “A large majority of people in America still believe everything the Media tell them.”

    “Fake News” is a farce, a joke. It leads people to become patently ill-informed. How? Because all it takes is someone to utter that phrase, and the assumption becomes “true”. A person who desires to be informed delves into the matter by perusing several sources and by astutely investigating one’s own recency or confirmation biases. In this manner, the person is more likely to arrive at a more objective finding of the available facts. Instead, anything that does not automatically fit into one’s crafted narrative as “fact” or “truth” becomes “Fake News”. You, like the Alt Right and Radical Left, are falling for it. You are being duped.

    It is virtually impossible to argue with those people who cling on this “Fake New” or “media lies” meme. Any fact you bring as an argument, they immediately attack the SOURCE, rather than the substance. Thus, it is easy to deny there is ANY evidence at all. This phenomenon has been brewing for a long time, and it has reached a critical mass at our point in world history. Unfortunately, this increasingly leads more people to become ignorant by facilitating echo chambers and confirmation bias.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Coemgen
    , @Jonathan Mason
  111. vinteuil says:

    Will the New York Times ever admit…

    As if. Has the NYT ever admitted that Walter Duranty ever got anything wrong?

  112. Corvinus says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “In our pamphlet, to describe this phase of the Kung Flu bloggers anonymous program, we put it like this: People in the government are usually full of shit.”

    Which would be patently false. Feel free to live in your fantasy bubble all cozied up with confirmation bias.

    “If government officials and/or their media branches give out advice or orders on race relations, I’d think you’d see how full of it they are. What made you think that the advice and orders they gave regarding the Kung Flu was any different?”

    Thankfully, not that many people agree with you or believe you. Again, that’s your choice to keep up with this charade.

  113. Clyde says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    That’s become the norm for the Times. Two or three, maybe more, reporters to write the most inane puff piece. A real screed about Donald Trump’s awfulness can have up to seven people on the by-line.

    My guess is that there is some sort of career metric based on number of by-lines. And the reporters share by-lines to max out that number. Sort of like grade inflation for reporters.

    I have no proof and don’t read the NYT often enough to know. But I think the number of NY Times reporters and contributors is larger than ever. The only catch is that most rarely make the print edition for obvious reasons, space limitations. But on the internet where electrons cost *virtually* nothing, the NY Times philosophy is let ‘er rip as far as accommodating lefty loon opinion makers and reporters. Let us not forget reporterettes too and the Transitioning.

    So you have the Bezos Blog and the New York Times blog. With vast acres of liberal fluff online but not in print.

  114. @moshe

    “No, religion is the way. Seventh Day Adventist maybe?? Anybody know where they stand on mask wearing?”

    Diapering-up is the most holy tenant of Earth’s newest religious sect: Branch Covidians. BC apostle St. Fauci is on record croaking that facediapers are largely healthcare theater, yet here we are. Object to facediapers because you are not a Covidian and it is illegal to discriminate against anyone based on religion.

    I, too, enjoy the Kovid Kayfabe Kabuki. I will enjoy returning to normal even more.

  115. Clyde says:
    @Bill P

    Blubber holding winter vitamin D…. You are probably right on this.

  116. Coemgen says:
    @Corvinus

    If not “Fake News” then what do you call it?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  117. Definitely makes the people who wear masks while walking on a quiet suburban street, or driving their car, or standing at a bus stop … look like virtue signalers.

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  118. Bill P says:

    Oh, a bit OT, but have you heard of this killing in Seattle, Steve?

    HS football star and team captain assassinated with gunshot to the head outside his home on Mother’s Day. Sounds like a common tragedy, but he was a white kid, squeaky clean, studying pre-law at the UW. He lived in a multiracial family (stepfather and half-siblings), was passionate about “social justice,” and managed to get elected class president in a 90% minority high school.

    I’m thinking it was an Ahmaud Arbery revenge killing, target of opportunity because he lived in a largely black neighborhood (I know it well — it’s where I went to swimming lessons as a kid). Still no arrests, police are not commenting. I can’t think of any other reason a guy like that would get shot in the head outside his mother’s house. Maybe he was up to something, but I doubt it.

    It’s quite a story. This kid was on track to be prominent in local politics.

    https://q13fox.com/2020/05/13/its-unthinkable-uw-freshman-gunned-down-on-mothers-day-in-front-of-familys-home/

    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/we-have-to-do-better-after-sons-shooting-death-in-rainier-beach-mother-calls-for-community-action/

  119. @Buffalo Joe

    Mayor Lightfoot says stay home and then gets her hair cut and styled.

    To be fair, she was no less ugly.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  120. @Corvinus

    “Fake News” is a farce, a joke. It leads people to become patently ill-informed. How? Because all it takes is someone to utter that phrase, and the assumption becomes “true”….

    It is virtually impossible to argue with those people who cling on this “Fake New” or “media lies” meme. Any fact you bring as an argument, they immediately attack the SOURCE, rather than the substance. Thus, it is easy to deny there is ANY evidence at all. This phenomenon has been brewing for a long time, and it has reached a critical mass at our point in world history.

    But really this seems to only apply to politics. In other sciences such as climatology or medicine, people don’t necessarily agree about everything, but they tend to seek new evidence and empirical data. And you don’t seem to find fake news on the sports pages.

    But fake news is real! It is everywhere. Think how often you click on what looks like a news headline, but find yourself reading some advertising copy. However that is very different from calling a news report that you don’t agree with fake news.

    When Trump was running for office I did side with him somewhat on the fake news issue, because I do think that a lot of what passes for news is fake or misleading. How about weapons of mass destruction, for example? Reporters were clearly not asking enough questions and were giving the executive branch a free pass on what many people, including, ahem, myself, thought was bullshit, which is exactly what it turned out to be.

    And then when we did eventually declare war on a germ, Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with it.

    The fact is that when it comes to foreign affairs top elected politicians are no better informed than the man in the street, perhaps worse informed in some cases.

    Was it not only this week that Mitch McConnell was forced to concede that the Obama administration had left a “playbook” for an epidemic like the corona virus, which every well informed person already knew? I guess he had his mind on more important things, like whether states could file for bankruptcy, and perhaps be reorganized as subsidiaries of other states or of foreign powers.

    So a lot of them are not great brains, and actually know no more than you or I and may be making momentous decisions as low-information voters in the Senate or in the National Security Council.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  121. Stealth says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    A lot of people think liberal governors are trying to tank the economy of the US in order to turn everyone against Trump before the election. I doubt it. But I do think they might be trying to drive some of their excess population into red states. Make life miserable and poor in your own state, and many of your citizens will leave. Not that Team Blue wasn’t doing a damn fine job of that before the Corona epidemic.

  122. Stealth says:
    @theMann

    Nobody gets to walk this back or forget it.

    LOL. How about half of the columnists at UR?

  123. @Hypnotoad666

    Or maybe it’s like scientific papers where the first several people who did all the work are at the top, followed by everyone from the faculty advisor to the guy who washed the beakers plus Kismetia Africanus to balance out the diversity.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  124. @ic1000

    Thanks for the reply, IC1000. I am not in the healthcare field but have a number of doctor friends in addition to a family member who works in the hospital. I agree that you’ve got to learn some things as you go along. You and those docs are on the front lines, I guess, so see what’s going on, and may have made some bad guesses at the beginning.

    What I don’t like is the government officials making pronouncements and orders based on the most vocal “experts”, rather than letting this thing pan out in different places. Granted, one (say, Steve) could say “we’ve got to do something NOW, before this thing spreads to everyone”, but people and organizations can make their own decisions regarding that.

    I don’t at all claim to have better sources than you on this, BTW. I’ve just seen too much rash totalitarianism. I should have written in the comment “High government officials are full of __it” rather than “People in government …” in that 1st comment, as there are competent people around. They don’t get to make the decisions and pronouncements though.

    • Agree: ic1000
  125. @moshe

    You mean ventilators, not respirators.

    • Agree: moshe
  126. @Jim Don Bob

    Funny stuff, JDB! I’ve had a blogpost coming on that for years. “Yeah, I’ll lend you the oscilloscope, if you put my name on the paper.”

  127. @peterike

    Cuomo is now demanding a federal bailout to pay for (a small portion of) the destruction he caused and allowed – after taking steps to guarantee that his state would be the epicenter in the first place.

    There is no adequate way to describe the level of chutzpah. The terms of the bailout should require he and everyone who voted for him to jump off a bridge.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
  128. @Anon

    Chicago nursing home residents tend to turn out 110%.

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
  129. @anon

    Austria and Denmark started reopening about 6 weeks ago and things mostly continue to go very well for them.

    It’s almost as if over time you can get smarter about how to deal with a novel situation, unless you are convinced it would be immoral to ever learn.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  130. anon[165] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    If you’re in a nursing home, it’s unlikely you’re going to be voting. Nursing home inmates are generally too sick/demented/immobile to make it to the polls, and often, they’re too confused to know what they’re voting about.

    Are you kidding? Those are perfect voters. Perfect, I tell you! Back in 2000 they had to be bused to the polls, especially in Florida but current year voting will be via mail. Vote harvesting will be awesome!

    Perfect! Voters!

  131. Joe Joe says:
    @peterike

    Super Bozo Brothers sounds better 😉

  132. @Bert

    “When a politically-motivated, asshat, mother-fucker like you invades the personal space of the wrong oldster, you’re going to learn that being collateral damage is a two way street.”

    Ooga booga.

    Get Out Live Life!

    • Replies: @Ottman
  133. Ottman says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Don’t be afraid, Omar. Stand up straight with a pose of confidence!

    That way it’s easier to get the rope around your neck…

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
  134. utu says:
    @Anonymous

    “Is Sweden advising against masks?” – I do not think so. If virus gathers in the mask as Anders Tegnell allegedly said, it only proves that masks are effective. If there was no virus in the mask then it would be all in your nose, throat and lungs.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
  135. @moshe

    “Every doctor knew respirators were a bad idea. Heck, from spending a few thousand hours in hospitals and nursing homes visiting people I knew that intubation was half a death sentence.”

    I never got the obsession with venterlators either – they are for people lacking the mechanical or neurological power to breathe; i.e., can’t flex the diaphragm. They’re needed for surgery sometimes because general anesthesia stops autonomous breathing. If your lungs are clogged with bat AIDS making you hypoxic, then oxygen mask is the proper rx. It’s like Dr. Elon Musk said: bat AIDS doesn’t kill people with strong lungs.

  136. @Ottman

    “Don’t be afraid, Omar. Stand up straight with a pose of confidence! That way it’s easier to get the rope around your neck…”

    How you going to lynch me whilst maintaining your six-foot safespace?

    (Boomers so funny! That’s two threats to commit actual crimes against me because I won’t safespace and diaper-up)

    • Replies: @Ottman
  137. Ottman says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    It is a crime to violate the social distancing orders. It is punished by the rope.

    The orders usually have an exception to the six-foot rule for critical tasks such as medical procedures and executions, so long as the appropriate protective equipment is used.

  138. @ic1000

    “When my information changes, I alter my conclusions. What do you do, sir?”

    I question the source of the original information. Why was it it wrong, ignorance or malice, track record etc etc. and obtain redress.

    btw, A quote from the moron shirtlifter Keynes is not a strong hook on which to hang your argument.

    • Replies: @ic1000
  139. MBlanc46 says:
    @AnotherDad

    My goodness, AD, who knew you were channeling Irving Berlin?

  140. @Buffalo Joe

    Another successful night at the drive-in. Capacity. All patrons that I conversed with are so grateful for the opportunity to take the kids somewhere, go out on a “date”, visit a drive-in for the first time… Patrons giving tips $$$ at the box office. One flooring company owner donated $500 at the concessions. Makes me think of the James Earl Jones Field of Dreams speech…”People will come, Ray. They most definitely will come.”

    • Replies: @Cortes
    , @Buffalo Joe
  141. @utu

    “If there was no virus in the mask then it would be all in your nose, throat and lungs.”

    Whoa, hold on there hoss. Branch Covidians like Sailer scold me that facediapers protect others from catching my cooties. Which is it, hoss? We solving the world’s problems here.

    #diaper-up

  142. MB says: • Website
    @botazefa

    Basically you catch the corona virus if you stop reading the NYT or watching TV and believing in the Four Horseman of Doom, Fauci, Gates, Cuomo and Di Blasio.

    On the other hand, wearing a mask while reading the NYT or watching TV qualifies you as a true believer, with even more extra points if you wear it in the shower or in bed.

    Posting on Fakebook, Dimwitter or Dumpstergram?
    Average run of the mill covidiocy. Nothing special.

  143. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @moshe

    Intubation came about because it was the standard response to bilateral pneumonia, IIRC. However, COVID is a novel disease and so the correct response was different, though the doctors who had the ventilator as a response in the fog of war we were operating under can’t blamed. If in doubt, use standard procedures and use that as a model.

    Part of the reason for the lockdowns/smash the curve was to allow research the time to progress and the IFR to reduce as a result of better treatments. And… it has.

    It is still lethal for people enough that it takes 10 years plus off the average life that is taken. If you are 55 or 65 and wish to live another 10 years with your grandchildren, maybe see a few you would otherwise not meet, should that be withheld? Or if you are a child or grandchild, is it too much to as to have another 10 years with your parent or grandparent? No, it’s not anywhere near 100% but we don’t stop wearing seatbelts do we? We don’t take up skydiving at age 60 in general…

    • Replies: @moshe
  144. MB says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    If you didn’t fall off the back of the turnip truck yesterday, beginning with the Asian flu ’57 and the Hong Kong in ’68 some of us have seen this dog and pony show before.

    IOW Chicken Little and The Boy Who Cried Wolf are Greek to anybody who believe anything they see on TV or the cellphone.

  145. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    It’s almost as if over time you can get smarter about how to deal with a novel situation, unless you are convinced it would be immoral to ever learn.

    Classic.

  146. MB says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Dude wants Operation Warp Speed to use the military to deliver Bill Gates’s vaccine door to door to the nation.

    IOW forget MAGGitis.

    The new mantra will be: “Get the Shot or Get Shot.”

    No, we’re not talking about Jack Daniels.

  147. Cortes says:
    @Ron Mexico

    Great news.

    Over the last few days I’ve seen a couple of shops with relationships to “essential services” as tenuous as Norma Desmond’s hold on reality open their doors for business.

    The first one to dare to defy the lockdown seems to be doing quite well. Well done to you, young woman!

  148. @Anonymous

    Odd that your cartoon representation of the “crazy man who lives down the street” didn’t include some reference to ‘flat Earth’ people.

    It’s not clear (at least, not to me) whether you were setting up a ridiculous straw man
    ⓐ as a caricature of what your kids are told about nationalists; or
    ⓑ to outline a type of person that you think exists, but is not representative of ‘real’ nationalists.

    Either way… weird grab-bag of shit, and always represented as an extreme (straw man) variant of one side of a genuine controversy.

    I am certain the people on the other side of each controversy are as pure as the driven snow, and are completely and utterly open about obvious flaws in their evidence.

    Have you stopped to think that the ‘crazy man who lives down the street‘ only seems crazy to you… because you’re too close to the median IQ to be able to think syncretically?

    If you lived down the street from Ted Kaczynski he would seem bizarre to you. That’s fair enough, if you had no knowledge of what was being done to that poor bastard.

  149. @Anon

    Nursing home perhaps, or dementia sufferers, but the vast majority of people in care in the UK are in care homes, not nursing homes. Care home people may be infirm but aren’t generally doolally.

  150. @moshe

    “I personally was happy that we reasserted our manhood after 9/11”

    That’s like being assaulted by a stranger but then taking revenge on a neighbour who had nothing to do with the assault, but you don’t like for other reasons. Would you be just as happy if the US had attacked Israel?

    • Replies: @moshe
  151. moshe says:
    @Anonymous

    This extra 10 years to live business is false. It is obviously and blatantly and clearly false. The majority of people who are dying have clearly less than a year to live. furthermore, many of them have died due to the panic surrounding coronavirus rather than to any strand of RNA. again, this extra 10 years business is bullshit and I don’t even need to explain why. anybody inclined to believe that the average Corona death had an extra 10 years to live is obviously already biased against reality.

  152. moshe says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    are you an idiot or just pretending? Bush made it clear that we were going to reassert our manhood by going after one of the great bad guys of the world. in his axis of Evil he offered North Korea, Iraq and Iran. he ended up settling on Iraq. Saddam Hussein was something of an asshole, no? perhaps, dare I say it, even more of a meanie then Bibi Netanyahu. I mean, Netanyahu son is something of an asshole, but to his credit he doesn’t Uday around girls schools and weddings and kidnap children and brides to rape. that’s got to be worth something! truly, this coming to yours was knocked to your credit. You’ve had other comments that are to your credit but this one is quite silly. what America did was pick on some other bully because the bully that actually attacked America was either too cave dwelling for us to regain our manhood by attacking them, or too Saudi Arabia. again, this particular comment of yours does not do you ((or your race lol)) credit.

    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  153. Anon[368] • Disclaimer says:
    @moshe

    Most people on both sides of every 50/50 issue are absolute morons whose opinion is less worth hearing than the flush of a toilet bowl.

    I guess, but most people aren’t so pompous and self-important that they need to flood the forum with endless hypergraphia to try and muddy the waters in an attempt to overwhelm any alternative viewpoints.

  154. ic1000 says:
    @Bill Jones

    > I question the source of the original information [on the use of ventilators for ICU patients with Covid-19]. Why was it it wrong, ignorance or malice, track record etc etc. and obtain redress.

    anonymous[194] supplied an answer; I believe it is the correct one.

    Intubation came about because it was the standard response to bilateral pneumonia, IIRC. However, COVID is a novel disease and so the correct response was different, though the doctors who had the ventilator as a response in the fog of war we were operating under can’t blamed. If in doubt, use standard procedures and use that as a model.

    Obtaining redress from lazy, foolish, or malign doctors is one thing. “An eye for an eye” is something else, when applied to trained, skilled specialists who are trying their best to help people who are desparately ill with a novel disease.

    Sometimes managing ICU patients is rocket surgery.

    And I know who Keynes is, thanks. Mild irony is hard to convey in a comments thread.

  155. @Hypnotoad666

    Multiple bylines atop a run-of-the-mill piece make it seem like a major investigative project. It’s like when your local TV anchorman intones, “Up to four inches of snow is expected tonight — correspondent Corey Fluffman in Bayside kicks off our team coverage…”

  156. rienzi says:
    @Anon

    As related by Samuel Pepys, during the plague in London in 1656, even more draconian lockdown measures were put in place. Nailing the doors shut of the houses of people with the plague, and posting guards to make sure no one snuck out.

    Didn’t work then, people crawled out of second story windows, and bribed the guards. Won’t work now.

    And that was a real plague, the black death, with a stratospheric fatality rate. Not the fairly mild, bad flu going around now.

    At least Charles II was bright enough not to try to quarantine healthy people.

  157. @a.n.o.n.y.m.o.u.s.

    He’s threatening to fire cops and firemen, but don’t worry, that sign-language woman’s job is safe.

  158. @Ginger bread man

    Wasn’t correcting people’s errors — e.g. calling the manager over to show him “with au jus” on the menu — one of those annoying “Things White People Like?”

  159. Mike Tre says:
    @Inverness

    On Friday as I was entering a job site (another Amazon DC popping up around here) there was a masked person at the entrance stopping everyone and giving us forehead temperature checks. I went there twice, I had to do it twice. The experience was a first for me.

    Steve probably giggled unexpectedly at that very moment.

    • Replies: @anon
  160. Bill P says:
    @Anonymous

    Both of us have jobs that depend in large part on people being able to cross borders with relative ease. Different industries, but same effect.

  161. Corvinus says:
    @Coemgen

    “If not “Fake News” then what do you call it?”

    Crafting a narrative. No different than the Alternative Media with their use of the same buzzwords.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    , @Coemgen
  162. Corvinus says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    “But really this seems to only apply to politics.”

    And race relations. And technology. And science. Anywhere that when a righty/lefty source says one thing, the opposing side can utter that phrase merely because it offends their world view.

    “In other sciences such as climatology or medicine, people don’t necessarily agree about everything, but they tend to seek new evidence and empirical data.”

    Haven’t you heard, Global Warming is Fake News?

    “And you don’t seem to find fake news on the sports pages.”

    Thankfully.

    “But fake news is real! It is everywhere. Think how often you click on what looks like a news headline, but find yourself reading some advertising copy. However that is very different from calling a news report that you don’t agree with fake news.”

    That’s called click bait.

    “When Trump was running for office I did side with him somewhat on the fake news issue, because I do think that a lot of what passes for news is fake or misleading.”

    “Fake” and “misleading” are two completely different things. Moreover, a person has to dig deeper into why they believe the news is other than accurate, rather than label in that fashion. There seems to be a declining commitment for due diligence.

    “How about weapons of mass destruction, for example? Reporters were clearly not asking enough questions and were giving the executive branch a free pass on what many people, including, ahem, myself, thought was bullshit, which is exactly what it turned out to be.”

    Indeed, there were some reporters carrying the water for the Bush Administration.

    https://observer.com/2015/04/judith-miller-carried-water-for-the-usas-worst-debacle-since-vietnam/

    But there were also reporters were asking the right questions at that time, they simply were not being answered truthfully.

    https://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/07/14/wbr.wmds.question/

    Let’s focusing on questioning the story and what it contains, rather than dismissing the source entirely!

    “The fact is that when it comes to foreign affairs top elected politicians are no better informed than the man in the street, perhaps worse informed in some cases.”

    What is your evidence for your claims? I’m curious as how you arrived at that conclusion.

    “So a lot of them are not great brains, and actually know no more than you or I and may be making momentous decisions as low-information voters in the Senate or in the National Security Council.”

    Again, what is your evidence for this claim? I’m curious as how you arrived at that conclusion.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  163. anon[240] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mike Tre

    I went there twice, I had to do it twice. The experience was a first for me.

    You should get out more.

  164. @moshe

    Far from “regaining their manhood” (at a cost of hundreds of thousands of lives, not in the war but in the post-Saddam sectarian chaos which they failed to predict), I wonder if Iraq wasn’t a point of inflexion from whence the curve of American greatness began an inexorable decline.

    (People were probably saying that as the last people were choppered off Saigon rooftops, too. “There is a deal of ruin in a nation”).

    • Disagree: Corvinus
  165. Anonymous[413] • Disclaimer says:
    @Morton's toes

    It’s a terrible burden to bear having an agent pick out the bruise pattern of my bananas for me but Life is Change.

    I am not sure what the meaning and purpose of this sentence is.

  166. Anonymous[413] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    Asking for a friend, what is the name of the smart young mainstream Jewish social scientist on twitter who is frequently posted and discussed here? Eric or Zack something?

    Nate Silver

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  167. @Corvinus

    So a lot of them are not great brains, and actually know no more than you or I and may be making momentous decisions as low-information voters in the Senate or in the National Security Council.

    Again, what is your evidence for this claim? I’m curious as how you arrived at that conclusion.

    I think the evidence is in front of our eyes all the time, but often we just don’t want to see it.

    The president of the United States and the secretary of defense would not assert as plainly and bluntly as they have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction if it was not true, and if they did not have a solid basis for saying it.
    Ari Fleischer December 6, 2002

    We believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons.
    Vice President Dick Chaney
    March 16, 2003

    I don’t believe anyone that I know in the administration ever said that Iraq had nuclear weapons.
    Donald Rumsfeld,
    May 14, 2003

    https://www.realnews247.com/wmd_quote_before_after_the_invasion.htm

    April 30 During a White House event, President Trump says, without providing specifics, he has a “high degree of confidence” the virus came from a lab in Wuhan.

    May 3 Secretary of State Mike Pompeo says on ABC News “This Week” that there is “enormous evidence” to support the theory that COVID-19 came from the lab, though agreed with the inspector general that the virus did not appear “manmade or genetically modified,” and would not say whether he thought it was intentionally released

    May 17th CNN: “Pompeo said in an interview with Breitbart that aired Saturday that “we know it began in Wuhan, but we don’t know from where or from whom, and those are important things.”

    Wow, it began in Wuhan, did it? Well done, Mr. Pompeo. Is that really the sum total of US intelligence? Why not just use Reuters or UPI or even PressTV https://www.presstv.com/ and save the taxpayer some money?

    Everyone suspects subtle devious motives for all the lies and misstatement, but taken over the long run it is more likely that they are just power-drunk idiots and their control of the machinery of state is about as reliable as an excited 12-year old boy driving his dad’s car into the duck pond on his first driving lesson.

    Incidentally in 2002 I documented my belief in several online locations, now forgotten or deleted, that there were probably no WMD in Iraq. and that if there were, couldn’t they give us at least a taste of the evidence so we would know they were not bullshitting. But then I had no access to top-secret “intelligence.”

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  168. J.Ross says:
    @Anonymous

    Failure to respect site rules and board culture is predictive for shilling.

  169. J.Ross says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    There is no serious dispute that it came from a lab in Wuhan and there’s plenty of good reason to believe that intelligence may have better information. There was never any reason to suspect Saddam of having WMDs except for enormously biased fake experts, and an abundance of dissenting experts gave arguments and reasons against it from the beginning.
    The comparison to W is especially ignorant. W was a retarded plaything of a cabal so specifically hell-bent on acheiving war in Iraq that rhey had to be reminded about Afghanistan. Trump is an unwelcome outsider more than balanced by swamp creatures who hate him. What happened under W cannot happen here for that reason.
    The Wuhan case, even if completely wrong, is at least reasonable and widely supported by different groups. The case for war in Iraq never was either of those things.
    Suggested follow-up: insist that Lieber had nothing to do with this.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  170. Corvinus says:

    “I think the evidence is in front of our eyes all the time, but often we just don’t want to see it.”

    We have the benefit of hindsight when looking at the WMD fiasco. And what we see in front of us are people who make statements, and it is up to us to verify their level of accuracy. The evidence comes from our investigation from not only sources that tend to confirm our beliefs, but from sources that outright challenge them. Unfortunately, increasing numbers of people today when confronted with information that counters their world view are simply dismissing it entirely.

    “April 30 During a White House event, President Trump says, without providing specifics, he has a “high degree of confidence” the virus came from a lab in Wuhan.”

    People have a hard time believing him since it is well-documented that he embellishes things, at best, or outright lies, at worst.

    Now, there have been experts who have stated that Covid-19 is NOT man made.

    Source –> https://www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-government-coronavirus-may-leaked-chinese-laboratory-covid-2020-4

    Richard Ebright, a professor at Rutgers University’s Waksman Institute of Microbiology, stated that:

    “Virus collection, culture, isolation, or animal infection at BSL-2 [moderate biosafety level] with a virus having the transmission characteristics of the outbreak virus would pose substantial risk of infection of a lab worker, and from the lab worker, the public,” he said. He went on to say the evidence available left “a basis to rule out a lab construct, but no basis to rule out a lab accident.” In other words, while the virus was not believed to have been created in a lab, it could have been studied in one and released in an accident.

    Source –> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/coronavirus-wuhan-lab-china-compete-us-sources

    According to Secretary of Defense Mark Esper, “Even today, I see them withholding information and I think we need to do more to continue to press them [China] to share”. Esper added that he wouldn’t speak to “intelligence reporting,” but that “most people believe it began naturally — it was organic, if you will. I think in due course, once we get through the pandemic we’re in right now, there’ll be time to look back and really ascertain what happened and make sure we have a better understanding so we can prevent this in the future.” Sources point to the structure of the virus, in saying the genome mapping specifically shows it was not genetically altered.

    Ron Unz believes the contrary. He used an ABC report–MSM!–as evidence. Interesting, because I thought we are under no circumstances to trust major media. On one hand, he tacitly encourages readers to peddle this “Fake News” mantra. On the other hand, he latches on to MSM stories that seemingly support his conclusions. I would argue that CNN, Fox News, ABC News, and others are reliable sources. Certainly one may question their overall bias, but for people to outright dismiss them, at worst, or to remain deeply and continually suspicious of their factual reporting, at best, only serves to make the general public intellectually sterile. In other words, we have to carefully explain how and why the reporting is misleading or other than factual, rather than repeatedly label that news source as a purveyor of “Fake News”.

    “Everyone suspects subtle devious motives for all the lies and misstatement, but taken over the long run it is more likely that they are just power-drunk idiots and their control of the machinery of state is about as reliable as an excited 12-year old boy driving his dad’s car into the duck pond on his first driving lesson.”

    Apparently, you do not trust the government. Would it not be fair to say then that through this lens you may actually discount data and information procured by the government that is indeed forthright and accurate?

    “Incidentally in 2002 I documented my belief in several online locations, now forgotten or deleted, that there were probably no WMD in Iraq. and that if there were, couldn’t they give us at least a taste of the evidence so we would know they were not bullshitting. But then I had no access to top-secret “intelligence.””

    You had reason to be suspicious. However, you needed evidence to confirm that suspicion. A “feeling” or “opinion” is not sufficient unless there is specific proof.

  171. @Ron Mexico

    Ron, long ride today up toward Lake Ontario. Every nursery and greenhouse we passed, a least six, had full parking lots. Spring! Stay safe and no looking into cars that have fogged up windows.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
  172. @J.Ross

    W was a retarded plaything of a cabal

    There you go! I said in my prior post that a lot of our top political leaders are idiots, and you agree in at least one case.

    The theory that there is no serious doubt that the COVID-19 virus got loose from the lab in Wuhan is like the WMD argument. None of these politicians had any doubt. Anyone who had any doubt was a fool. It was a given. They knew he had WMD and they knew exactly where they were! They had “intelligence”. It was so convincing that Bush was able to fool Hillary Clinton, the wife of a former president, and many other leading opposition party politicians into voting for a preemptive strike. We had to attack Iraq before they attacked us. Everyone knew it!

    Yes, it could have got loose from the lab. A careless lab tech could have become infected and then gone to the wet market on the way home to buy a chicken and some bamboo shoots for supper, and infected a bunch of other people. But what is the “enormous evidence”? Who was the first person who worked at the lab to get sick? Did they go to the wet market? That is the kind of evidence I want.

    Ring-a-ring o’ roses,
    A pocket full of posies,
    A-tishoo! A-tishoo!
    We all fall down

    • Replies: @Coemgen
  173. Clyde says:
    @theMann

    Yup! Well done! Way back in 1988 the head of a Japanese automobile manufacturer called America an “entertainment nation”. Meaning profoundly non-serious. These were his exact words. It might have been Toyota or Datsun.
    So here we are 30+ years later, stuck with Covid19 exposing our non-seriousness for the ChiComs to see and gloat about, along with the rest of the world. In Mao’s day the Chinese called us a paper tiger.

  174. @Buffalo Joe

    “Fogged up windows!” Once the sun goes down and we have dealt with headlights still on, my job is done. Clean ups the next morning are occasionally revealing (used condoms).

  175. Corvinus says:
    @Federalist

    “To be fair, she was no less ugly.”

    I agree that comments should be more substantial than making fun of someone’s looks or whatever. So when you call those that you disagree “ugly”–whether or not it is accurate–you’re not really making an argument either. You’re just insulting people. Perhaps try to be more clever?

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
  176. Coemgen says:
    @Corvinus

    Crafting a narrative. No different than the Alternative Media with their use of the same buzzwords.

    Examples.

    Please give some examples. Something of similar impact as the Bombshell Compilation.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  177. Coemgen says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    The Iraq War after 9/11 (2001) was a telishment and apparently effective at that. WMD were an excuse for attacking Saddam. Of course he had WMD and of course he had time to hide his WMD before the Americans attacked. One way or another, the telishment appeared to work. Things were pretty quiet in MENA (except for the American wars) until the Clinton/Obama administration decided they wanted control over Libyan oil fields and control over the Suez Canal.

    Sars-cov-2? Maybe that virus did jump species in a Wuhan wet market. Maybe it was released from the Wuhan institute of virology (intentionally or unintentionally). Maybe it was released by a Democrat Party operative as yet another way to try to “take down” Donald Trump. The Democrats seem a little too gleeful to have a pandemic appear just as their impeachment failed.

  178. Coemgen says:
    @Red Blooded American Boomer

    Are you Deval Patrick? A Deval Patrick speechwriter perhaps? Maybe an admirer of Deval Patrick?

  179. Corvinus says:
    @Coemgen

    https://qz.com/1092037/the-alt-right-is-creating-its-own-dialect-heres-a-complete-guide

    https://hyperallergic.com/518244/the-alt-right-complex-on-right-wing-populism-online

    Questions to further the discussion…

    1) Do yo believe Infowars is more credible than mainstream media? Why?

    2) Do you believe that people who rely on information they encounter on Facebook and “Q” rather than mainstream media are more informed or less informed? Why? [Context below]

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/06/qanon-nothing-can-stop-what-is-coming/610567/

    Taking a page from Trump’s playbook, Q frequently rails against legitimate sources of information as fake. Shock and Harger rely on information they encounter on Facebook rather than news outlets run by journalists. They don’t read the local paper or watch any of the major television networks. “You can’t watch the news,” Shock said. “Your news channel ain’t gonna tell us shit.” Harger says he likes One America News Network. Not so long ago, he used to watch CNN, and couldn’t get enough of Wolf Blitzer. “We were glued to that; we always have been,” he said. “Until this man, Trump, really opened our eyes to what’s happening. And Q. Q is telling us beforehand the stuff that’s going to happen.” I asked Harger and Shock for examples of predictions that had come true. They could not provide specifics and instead encouraged me to do the research myself. When I asked them how they explained the events Q had predicted that never happened, such as Clinton’s arrest, they said that deception is part of Q’s plan. Shock added, “I think there were more things that were predicted that did happen.” Her tone was gentle rather than indignant.

    3) How legitimate is the claim offered by Donald Trump J. who claims “Coronavirus Is a Democratic Hoax That Will ‘Magically Go Away the Day After the Election’ Because It Was Devised By Democrats As a Ploy to Stop Trump From Holding Campaign Rallies”? Why?

    • Replies: @Coemgen
  180. Coemgen says:
    @Corvinus

    Maybe you don’t understand. I’m looking for actual examples of “alternative media” (I think you mean non-Globalist/non-Democrat Party controlled media) using “buzzwords” to push “fake news” (or “crafted narrative”).

    All you’ve provided are more examples of pro-Globalis/pro-Democrat Party propaganda (“crafted narrative”).

    Facts – original sources – in context are needed for acceptable examples. Something like multiple media sources using the same verbiage ad nauseam to propagate blatant lies.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  181. Corvinus says:
    @Coemgen

    “Maybe you don’t understand.”

    I completely understand.

    “I’m looking for actual examples of “alternative media” (I think you mean non-Globalist/non-Democrat Party controlled media) using “buzzwords” to push “fake news” (or “crafted narrative”).”

    You do realize you are making up this category (non-Globalist/non-Democrat Party controlled media) to suit your own narrative, right?

    “All you’ve provided are more examples of pro-Globalis/pro-Democrat Party propaganda (“crafted narrative”).”

    No, I provided two legitimate sources regarding how the Alt Right, whether it be VDARE or Vox Day or unz,com or CounterCurrents, pushes their own agenda and coins specific terms for the consumption of their audience.

    “Facts – original sources – in context are needed for acceptable examples.”

    I provided examples, you simply believe they are other than acceptable.

    “Something like multiple media sources using the same verbiage ad nauseam to propagate blatant lies.”

    Again…

    1) Do yo believe Infowars is more credible than mainstream media? Why?

    2) Do you believe that people who rely on information they encounter on Facebook and “Q” rather than mainstream media are more informed or less informed? Why?

    3) How legitimate is the claim offered by Donald Trump J. who claims “Coronavirus Is a Democratic Hoax That Will ‘Magically Go Away the Day After the Election’ Because It Was Devised By Democrats As a Ploy to Stop Trump From Holding Campaign Rallies”? Why?

    • Replies: @Coemgen
  182. Coemgen says:

    Open-borders-globalism is just another name for New World Order. Open-borders is apropos for 21st century western nations because of the NWO’s drive to overpopulate those nations with foreigners via open borders. OBG’s despise nationalists. Nationalists stand in the way of OBG/NWO-ism.

    I have heard of infowars, taken at look at Q, and occasionally take a look at FakeBook but none of those are my news sources. I much prefer original sources in context as a basis for forming opinions. Some somewhat randomly selected examples of items I review:

    Pls prt. (a blatant disregard of the FOIA).

    The Steele Dossier

    December 2019 IG Horowitz Report (see pp 410-417)

    List of Pulitzers the NYT gave itself for reporting on Russian collusion

    Marie Yovanovitch impeachment testimony (only pay attention to things said under oath)

    Boston Globe article dated April 9, 2017 (blatant example of fake news).

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  183. Corvinus says:
    @Coemgen

    “Open-borders-globalism is just another name for New World Order.”

    Yes, I am familiar with the verbiage.

    “Open-borders is apropos for 21st century western nations because of the NWO’s drive to overpopulate those nations with foreigners via open borders.”

    Who is part of the New World Order? **Specific names AND documentation, meaning that there are papers that state exactly their titles and goals. Speculation is NOT proof. Hard core evidence is required here.

    “I have heard of infowars, taken at look at Q, and occasionally take a look at FakeBook but none of those are my news sources.”

    That is not what I asked. Please answer the questions.

    “I much prefer original sources in context as a basis for forming opinions.”

    First, it should not be difficult for you, then, to supply the requisite information.** Second, feel free to interpret those original sources, but you are, like everyone, are subjected to bias and thus may overvalue certain pieces of information and undervalue other pieces of information. Third, your conclusions are subject to intense scrutiny, and you will have to back up your assertions with other sources.

    Now, that’s great you listed sources. But you realize you need to provide an explanation as to how and why, from your perspective, those documents represent “Fake News”, correct? Merely labeling it in that manner does not prove anything on your part.

    And you do realize the Boston Globe article is NOT Fake News, but a parody, right?

    • Replies: @Coemgen
  184. Coemgen says:
    @Corvinus

    Stick with the big picture. The NYT gave themselves Pulitzer Prizes for their reporting on Trump-Russian collusion. Their reporting was completely unfounded. No proof was provided for their reporting. They simply repeated allegations that originated from Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.

    Now tell us, why is this email chain so heavily redacted? Pls prt.

    Note the date of the email chain, where it started, who it went to, and how quickly it made it to Hillary Clinton’s attention. If we had more “real news” organizations, we would already know the contents of this email chain though it doesn’t take an exceptional insight to read between the lines blank spaces.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  185. Corvinus says:
    @Coemgen

    “Stick with the big picture.”

    I am. Unfortunately, you are venturing off the reservation.

    “The NYT gave themselves Pulitzer Prizes for their reporting on Trump-Russian collusion.”

    LOL, no. That is not how this award process works. Those on a panel at pulitzer.org gave the award.

    “Their reporting was completely unfounded. No proof was provided for their reporting. They simply repeated allegations that originated from Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.”

    You’re going to have to do more than make these sort of accusations. How do you specifically arrive at the conclusion that there was “no proof for their reporting”? You need to make an argument based on facts and evidence, rather than make a simple claim.

    “If we had more “real news” organizations, we would already know the contents of this email chain though it doesn’t take an exceptional insight to read between the lines blank spaces.”

    5) What is your criteria for “real news” organizations? Please be specific.

    Man, the questions that I am asking you, and that you are neglecting to respond, are piling up.

    4) Who is part of the New World Order? **Specific names AND documentation, meaning that there are papers that state exactly their titles and goals. Speculation is NOT proof. Hard core evidence is required here.

    1) Do yo believe Infowars is more credible than mainstream media? Why?

    2) Do you believe that people who rely on information they encounter on Facebook and “Q” rather than mainstream media are more informed or less informed? Why?

    3) How legitimate is the claim offered by Donald Trump J. who claims “Coronavirus Is a Democratic Hoax That Will ‘Magically Go Away the Day After the Election’ Because It Was Devised By Democrats As a Ploy to Stop Trump From Holding Campaign Rallies”? Why?

    Do you need a primer on how to engage in discourse? I can help you. Just ask!

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    , @Coemgen
  186. Coemgen says:
    @Corvinus

    Again, tell us why this email chain is so heavily redacted and tell us why the investigative journalists at CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo, etc., have not made public demands for the contents of it: Pls prt. (note this is a Wikileaks link to their copy of the email chain, the foia.state.gov link is currently returning a runtime error).

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